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ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]
WELCOME TO OUR CITY OF ANGLETON'S CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING DATED TUESDAY, MARCH THE 9TH, 2021 AT SIX P.M..I WILL CALL US AT THE TABLE AT SIX O'CLOCK.
WE WILL HAVE OUR INVOCATION, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE WITH US AND PARTAKE IF YOU'D LIKE.
FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY, YOU'VE GIVEN US.
FATHER MOSTLY WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE AND YOUR CONCERN FOR US.
WE'LL ASK YOU TONIGHT, LORD, TO LEADERS AND GUIDE US.
FATHER HELP US TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WOULD BE HONORABLE TO YOU AND HONORABLE TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT.
EACH ONE OF THEM HAS AN ISSUE ON THEIR HEART.
FATHER I JUST PRAY THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS IT CORRECTLY AND IN [INAUDIBLE].
FATHER WE PRAY FOR OUR STAFF AND ALL THE WORK FOR THE CITY IN WHATEVER CAPACITY, FATHER, THAT YOU WOULD BE NEAR THEM, KEEP THEM SAFE AND HELP THEM TO DO THE DUTY THAT THEY THAT
[CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL]
THEY'RE CALLED TO DO.WE PRAISE YOU IN CHRIST'S NAME.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS CITIZENS WISH, CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE ONE PARTICIPANT TONIGHT, MR. APLAN.
IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
[INAUDIBLE] DO THIS OR NOT? YOU CAN THANKS.
THANK YOU, REG APLAN WITH APLAN HOMES AND GRACETOWN DEVELOPMENT.
JUST WANT TO QUICKLY THANK YOU GUYS.
COUNCIL, SPECIFICALLY THE MAYOR, TRAVIS, CITY MANAGER, CHRIS WHITTAKER, CODY [INAUDIBLE].
AND LYNN, VERY HELPFUL IN AN ISSUE I CONSIDERED VERY BIG, WHICH WAS THE FRONT TRANSFORMER'S THAT I GUESS Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT WAS DEMANDED BY [INAUDIBLE], BUT WITH THEIR SUPPORT.
WE HAD A BIG MEETING LAST WEEK AND [INAUDIBLE] IS NOW COMING BACK TO THE CITY AND RELOOKING AT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE AS, YOU KNOW, THE REAR YARDS, NOT IN THE FRONT WITH THE WATER SEWER SAFETY HAZARD, EYE SORE, PROPERTY VALUES THOSE THINGS.
THE MAYOR'S JUST STOOD UP VERY BIG IN IT AND LET THEM KNOW YOUR FEELINGS.
AND I THINK THAT WAS IMPACTFUL.
HE WAS IN AUSTIN, BUT MADE TIME, HAD AN ASSISTANT AND HE WAS READY TO COME DOWN IF HE NEEDED TO AS WELL.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO DEVELOPING HERE AND [INAUDIBLE], AND IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S GOING TO, THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA COME, AS Y'ALL KNOW.
SO WE'RE GOING TO THE SUBDIVISION GOING TO BE A LOT NICER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TO DODGE TRANSFORMERS EVERY DRIVEWAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS.
[CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS]
MS. COLLEEN.OUR FIRST ONES ARE PRESENTATION OF EMPLOYEE SERVICE AWARDS.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
TONIGHT, WE'RE RECOGNIZING MR. JOSEPH [INAUDIBLE] MOONEY FOR TEN YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE CITY.
HE WORKS IN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
[APPLAUSE] NEXT, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE TWO INDIVIDUALS, JASON CRUZ, OUR IT DIRECTOR, AND MARTHA EIGHME, OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THEIR EXCELLENCE IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT, IN DEVELOPING THE TEMPORARY SERVICE CENTER.
I'D LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS FOR GOOD.
SO IT WASN'T ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT WASN'T IN SOME OTHER NEFARIOUS PREVIOUS STUDY.
IT WASN'T IN MY HIRING PROCESS.
IT WASN'T CLEARLY IN THEIR EVALUATIONS TO GO FROM THE OLD SERVICE CENTER TO THE
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NEW TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY SERVICE CENTER.BUT, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED IN A MATTER OF MONTHS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GREAT PARTICIPATION BY ALL THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, TRULY TEAM PLAYERS.
BUT THEY SET OUT FOR WHAT THEY DID TO ENABLE IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MARTHA'S DONE A GREAT JOB AT CITY HALL FENG SHUIING THINGS, BUT BUT ASKING HER TO PUT TOGETHER A BUILDING, WHICH THREE DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO WORK OUT OF WAS A LOT.
AND, JASON, YOU KNOW, WE RELY ON TECHNOLOGY FOR EVERYTHING WE DO.
AND SO, JASON, JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
[APPLAUSE] AND I'M HOPING ONCE WE GET THROUGH SOME OF THIS COVID, WE'LL HAVE A SMALL OPEN HOUSE FOR CITY HALL SO RESIDENTS CAN SEE WHAT'S BEEN DONE HERE AT CITY HALL AND THEN ALSO AT THE SERVICE CENTER SO PEOPLE CAN GO SEE THE NEW TEMPORARY TEMPORARY TIMES THREE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS.
SO IS THAT IT FOR EMPLOYEE SERVICE AND PRESENTATION OF APPRECIATION? THAT IT? OK.
I FELT LIKE BOB BARKER STANDING WITH THE SMALL MICROPHONE, YOU KNOW, ON THE PRICE IS RIGHT.
[INAUDIBLE] OK, SO THAT DOES IT FOR OUR CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER, SIT BACK FOR A WHILE.GOT TO READ A LITTLE BIT 20210309-003 COUNSELING A GENERAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON MAY 1ST, 2021, DECLARING THE UNOPPOSED CANDIDATES FOR MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER POSITION TWO AND COUNCIL MEMBER POSITION FOUR ARE DULY ELECTED AND CONTAINING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SUBJECT AND PRESENTATION OF THE CERTIFICATION OF UNOPPOSED STATUS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
NUMBER FOUR DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER 20210309-004 AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A PUBLIC SAFETY ENHANCEMENT AND SUPPORT GRANT APPLICATION TO THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR FROM THE ANGLETON POLICE DEPARTMENT.
FINDING THE MEETING COMPLIED WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND DECLARING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
NUMBER FIVE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER 20210309-005 RATIFYING THE DISASTER DECLARATION SIGNED BY THE MAYOR ON MARCH 17TH, 2020 AND CONSENTING TO ITS CONTINUATION THROUGH APRIL 17TH, 2021.
REPEALING CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS, INCLUDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
NUMBER SIX DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION RESOLUTION NUMBER 20210309-006, RATIFYING THE DISASTER DECLARATION SIGNED BY THE MAYOR ON FEBRUARY 15, 2021 AND CONSENTING TO ITS CONTINUATION THROUGH APRIL 14, 2021.
REPEALING CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS, INCLUDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210309-007 AMENDING CHAPTER SEVENTEEN PARKS AND RECREATION ARTICLE TWO.
PARK AND RECREATION BOARD SELECT SECTION 17-16 APPOINTMENT OF PARK AND RECREATION BOARD.
COMPOSITION, QUALIFICATIONS OF MEMBER, AMENDING SECTION 17-17 TERM OF OFFICE AND AMENDING SECTION 17-19 RULES OF PROCEDURE, QUORUM, OPEN MEETINGS RECORD OF THE ANGLETON CITY ANGLETON TEXAS CODE OF ORDINANCES PROVIDING A PENALTY, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
NUMBER EIGHT DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ANNUAL ATHLETICS SPORTS ASSOCIATION AGREEMENTS AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE DOCUMENTS.
NUMBER NINE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION STRATEGIC PLAN .
NUMBER TEN DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DEMOLITION OF VETERANS GAZEBO.
DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON PRELIMINARY REPLAT OF THE RESERVE IN ANGLETON SUBDIVISION.
NUMBER TWELVE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR DECEMBER 2020.
NUMBER THIRTEEN, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER 2020 AND NUMBER FOURTEEN, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON 2021 RACIAL PROFILING REPORT.
FIGURE WE JUST LET YOU CATCH YOUR BREATH.
MAYOR I MOVE WE ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
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WE HAVE WE HAVE MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.SECOND, BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT.
WHEN WE TAKE DOWN THE GAZEBO, WILL CELEBRATIONS IN HONOR OF OUR COUNTRY OR OUR VETERANS HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE, OR WILL THEY BE HELD THERE IN THAT PARK OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? SO WE'RE NOT, I MEAN THAT GAZEBO IS STRUCTURALLY UNUSABLE RIGHT NOW.
SO ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY WE'RE FREEING UP SPACE BY TAKING THE GAZEBO DOWN.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE LIVABLE CENTER'S STUDY CONCEPT WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CREATE A STAGE AT ONE END AND IT'S MORE USABLE INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE MIDDLE.
BUT IT DOES NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, CHANGE ANY OPERATION OF THE PARK.
I THINK THE QUESTION MAY BE AS NOTHING ELSE WILL BE TOUCHED, THE MONUMENTS, THE FLAGS AND ALL THAT AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.
NOW, MARTHA MAY HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR FUTURE.
SOME OF THE YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE WERE TOLD TO STAY OFF OF IT.
I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE PLACE, ADEQUATE FACILITIES FOR FUNCTIONS, LIKE I MENTIONED.
YES, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IT WILL REMAIN VETERAN'S PARK.
IN THE INTERIM UNTIL WE, WHAT CHRIS JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE LIVABLE CENTER'S AND THE LONG RANGE PLAN.
WE WILL DO STAGING AND BRING THINGS IN, SO WE'LL STILL PROGRAM FROM THERE.
OK, JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S A PLAN AND THERE'S NOT JUST A BIG OLE HOLE LEFT OUT.
WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO FIND SOME FUNDING TO GET THAT SOME SORT OF REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE THERE.
[LAUGHTER] AND IF I MAY ADD, I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST IN THE HISTORY THAT I'M AWARE OF BEING INVOLVED WITH THE CITY.
AND MAYBE JOHN CAN REMEMBER AS WELL, CURRENT DISASTER DECLARATIONS RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I THINK THIS IS A FIRST FOR OUR CITY, AMONGST A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS, FIRST FOR OUR CITY RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION ITEMS. NUMBER 15, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE
[15. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on Ordinance No. 20210309-015 rezoning 3.996 acres from Chapter 28 Zoning Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-42 Agricultural (AG) District to Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-43 Single Family Estate Residential 20 (SFE-20) District of the Code of Ordinances City of Angleton, Texas; providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and an effective date.]
NUMBER 20210309-015 REZONING 3.996 ACRES FROM CHAPTER 28 ZONING ARTICLE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS SECTION 28-42 AGRICULTURE, ALSO KNOWN AS AG, DISTRICT TWO, ARTICLE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS, SECTION 28-43.SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE RESIDENTIAL 20, ALSO KNOWN AS SFE-20.
DISTRICT OF CODE OF ORDINANCES CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS.
PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE SLIGHTLY LESS THAN FOUR ACRES FROM THE AG ZONING DISTRICT TO THE SFE-20 ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS A MINIMUM 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS GOALS THAT SUPPORT THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THE REZONING, ISN'T GOING TO AFFECT THE [INAUDIBLE] STREET IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY.
THE ONLY AREA THAT THE PROPOSED REZONING IS NOT QUITE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH INDICATES THE AREA TO BE FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
AND THIS IS IN FACT TO DO RESIDENTIAL USES.
OF WHAT MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCE IN REGARDS TO THAT IS THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY THE FAIRGROUNDS PARKING.
AND GIVEN THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS FROM AS NEAR AS I COULD TELL 2004, IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THE PROPERTY IS EVER GOING TO DEVELOP AS COMMERCIAL USES AND THE REZONING THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO SUBDIVIDE IT BASICALLY SO THAT HE CAN SELL THE LOT THAT HE WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE OFF TO A FAMILY MEMBER TO BUILD A HOUSE.
IT'S AN INSIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON BOTH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THE AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND THE REZONING WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH THE 4TH AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL.
WE NEED TO START OFF IN A PUBLIC HEARING, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
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WE'RE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER FIFTEEN.IS EVERYBODY HERE WANTING TO SPEAK ON, FOR OR AGAINST? SECOND CALL? NOT EVERYBODY RUSH.
MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HERE NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THAT MOTION CARRIES AND NOW WE HAVE A POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM.
BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, TRY TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
THERE ARE SOME HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT.
YES? ACROSS CONTIGUOUS TO THAT PROPERTY.
EAST OF, THIS IS EAST OF [INAUDIBLE] ROAD.
IT'S ON THE [INAUDIBLE] SIDE, ALL THOSE STREETS ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.
THE HILLANDALE SUBDIVISION SITS IN THERE WITH SIMS AND [INAUDIBLE].
AND SO THIS IS JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT SUBDIVISION.
THERE'S [INAUDIBLE] AREA RECENTLY, SOMEBODY WAS IMPROVING THEIR HOUSE.
YEAH, NOW FURTHER DOWN ON [INAUDIBLE], CLOSEST TO WHERE THE EVANS AND FAIR.
YEAH, THERE'S THOSE THREE OR FOUR HOMES GOING UP RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, BUT THAT AREA SEEMS TO BE DEVELOPING INTO RESIDENTIAL.
SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN IS COMING UP A LITTLE BIT THERE.
IS THAT THE WOODED AREA? IS THAT KIND OF A SEMI, IS IT SEMI WOODED THERE? MR. REEVES? MR. REEVES, IS IT THE ONE THAT'S BORDERED ON THE FAIRGROUNDS RIGHT HERE? YES.
SO THEY REALIZE THERE THEY REALLY ARE LANDLOCKED.
IN OCTOBER, THEY'LL BE SURROUNDED BY CARS FOR AT LEAST A WEEK AND A HALF.
OK, COUNCIL, WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM.
I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE REZONING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 16, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON
[16. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on Ordinance No. 20210309-016 extending the City limits of the City of Angleton by annexing the property shown herein as annexation area three; adopting the City services plan officially; authorizing the amendment of the official maps of the City to include the annexed acreage as a part of the City; amending the Official Zoning Map to designate the annexed property with the interim zoning classification of Agricultural (AG); providing an open meetings clause and providing an effective date.]
ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210309-016, EXTENDING THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON BY ANNEXING THEIR PROPERTY SHOWN HEREIN AS ANNEXATION AREA THREE, ADOPTING THE CITY SERVICES PLAN OFFICIALLY, AUTHORIZING THE AMENDMENT OF THE OFFICIAL MAP OF THE CITY TO INCLUDE THE ANNEXED ACREAGE AS PART OF THE CITY, AMENDING THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO DESIGNATE THE ANNEXED PROPERTY.WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF AG OF AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS KNOWN IS ALSO AG, PROVIDING AN OPEN MEETINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
THIS IS A VOLUNTARY REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION ON THE PART OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR POINT FIVE ZERO ACRES.
STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO GET THE COMMENT AND THAT AFTER THAT YOU CAN ACT ON THE ACCOMPANYING ORDINANCE WITH THE ANNEXATION SERVICES PLAN THAT'S ATTACHED TO IT.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED CAN'T REALLY CALL HIM AN APPLICANT.
THE REQUESTER HAS PROVIDED A SIGNED COPY OF THE ANNEXATION SERVICES PLAN, SO THAT PART OF IT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
AS YOU READ, UNDER THE CITY'S ANNEXATION RULES, THE PROPERTY ENTERS THE CITY IS [INAUDIBLE] ZONED FOR AS AG.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS, THERE'S A REQUEST TO REZONE IT TO ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THIS WILL HELP REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE OF THE BASIC DONUT HOLE THAT'S IN THAT AREA AS THE CITY IS ANNEXED ALL AROUND A LARGE AREA RIGHT THERE.
AND THIS HELPS IN PART TO FILL IN PART OF THAT AREA.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION.
THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY ROLE IN THE ANNEXATION, SO THEY HAVE NO RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE.
OK, THANK YOU FOR THAT BRIEF, SIR.
SO, GUYS, WE NEED TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
MAYOR I MOVE WE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE SIR.
HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
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THAT MOTION CARRIES.WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 16.
I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS SITTING UP HERE, HE'S PART OF THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK HE MAY HAVE STEPPED OUTSIDE WITH MR. APLAN.
I JUST DON'T WANT HIM TO LOSE HIS OPPORTUNITY.
DOES ANYBODY HERE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE POTENTIAL ANNEXATION? THERE'S PROBABLY SOME IMPORTANT BUSINESS GOING ON OUT THERE.
SIR WE'RE TO THE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT YOUR POTENTIAL PROPERTY THERE.
SO YOU WANT MAKE SURE YOU DIDN'T MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF YOU WANT TO BE GONE FOR OR AGAINST, WE'RE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING PIECE.
OK, SO IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME, BUT WE WILL HAVE IT AS AN ITEM POTENTIALLY FURTHER DOWN.
I APOLOGIZE, I GOT CARRIED AWAY WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER.
[LAUGHTER] GREAT GUY, REGGIE APLAN.
MY NAME IS SANDY RAY AND I AM THE DEVELOPER OF AUSTIN COLONY, WHICH IS THE [INAUDIBLE] LAND ON HIGHWAY 44, RIGHT WHERE YOU GET TO THE FREEWAY AND WE'VE GOT ANNEXATION.
AND IN THE OTHER ISSUES AND I'M WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND VERY APPRECIATIVE OF WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
WE PLAN TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, BUT WE WANTED WALTER'S GROUP TO REVIEW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY.
SO HE CUT OUT ALL THE GOOD STUFF.
[LAUGHTER] WE APPRECIATE THAT.
SO WE'LL BE BACK UP WITH SOME PICTURES AND AN IDEA.
ANYBODY ELSE SPEAKING ON, FOR, AGAINST GOING TWICE, THIRD TIME? COUNCIL.
MAYOR I MOVE WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
IS THERE A POTENTIAL ACTION ITEM COMING FROM THIS? MR. MAYOR, I MOVE, WE ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210309-016, EXTENDING THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON BY ANNEXING THE PROPERTY SHOWN HEREIN AS ANNEXATION AREA THREE, ADOPTING THE CITY SERVICES PLAN OFFICIALLY AUTHORIZING THE AMENDMENT OF THE OFFICIAL MAPS OF THE CITY TO INCLUDE THE ANNEX ACREAGE AS A PART OF THE CITY.
A MOTION BY PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
PARDON ME, BUT I'M IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY IN THE ORDINANCE OR THE EXHIBIT SUPPLIED FOR THE ORDINANCE.
THE MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION IS NOT FULLY THERE.
THERE APPARENTLY WAS A PAGE MISSING OR SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT FULLY DESCRIBED IN THAT DESCRIPTION.
SERVER, GIVE THEM A COMPLETE DESCRIPTION OR WHATEVER, SO WITHOUT BEATING IT TO DEATH, BUT.
IF YOU TAKE THE IF YOU TAKE THE PAGES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET, IT DOESN'T FULLY DESCRIBE THE PROPERTY.
OK, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A TYPO.
IS IT THE ONE THAT POTENTIALLY CAME FROM THE BAKER IN [INAUDIBLE] THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN OUR PACKET? YES SIR.
MISSING ONE PAGE OUT OF THE MIDDLE, OK, WHETHER IT GOT MISPLACED OR WHATEVER.
BUT MAKE SURE WE HAD THE FULL THING.
THANK YOU FOR NOTING THAT, SO WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT SHOULD THE ITEM PASSES THROUGH, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOCUMENT GETS FULLY EXECUTED IN THERE WITH THAT THREE PAGES NEEDED.
AND, MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANT CLARIFY BEFORE WE MOVE FURTHER THAT THIS IS JUST TO ANNEX THIS, WHICH WILL BEGIN THE CLASSIFICATION AS AGRICULTURAL CUZ THAT'S THE INITIAL PROCESS BY WHICH ANGLETON ACCEPTS ANNEXATIONS, CORRECT? IS THAT TRUE, MR. REEVES? THAT'S CORRECT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT.
OK, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE, OH DID I MISS SOMETHING? OK HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 17, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON
[17. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on Ordinance No. 20210309-017 rezoning 164.5 acres from Chapter 28 Zoning Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-42 Agricultural (AG) District to the Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-47 Single Family Residential 5 (SF-5) District of the Code of Ordinances City of Angleton, Texas; providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and an effective date.]
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ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210309-017 REZONING ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR POINT FIVE ACRES FROM CHAPTER 28 ZONING ARTICLE THREE.ZONING DISTRICT SECTION 28-42.
AGRICULTURAL, ALSO KNOWN AS AG DISTRICT TO THE ARTICLE THREE ZONING DISTRICT.
SECTION 28-47 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS SF-5 DISTRICT OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE THAT 1064.50 ACRES FROM THE AG ZONING DISTRICT TO THE SF-5 ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED REZONING IS SUPPORTED BY SEVERAL GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN SUPPORTS IT MOSTLY, MOSTLY, BUT NOT COMPLETELY AS IT DESIGNATES PARTS OF THE AREA FOR OFFICE, RETAIL AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.
AGAIN, SAME MITIGATING ARGUMENT IS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS 17 YEARS OLD AND THE AREA HASN'T DEVELOPED IN THAT WAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO YOU COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY STATE THAT IT'S UNLIKELY TO EVER DEVELOP IN THAT PARTICULAR PATTERN AS ENVISIONED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THIS WOULD BE A SUPPORTABLE DEVIATION FROM THAT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
OTHERWISE, THE PLAN PRETTY MUCH SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED REZONING.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH THE 4TH, 2021 AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF ACTUALLY WAS FIVE IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED.
THE STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
THANK YOU FOR THAT BRIEF, SIR.
SO, COUNCIL, THE FOLLOWING ITEM HERE, WE'VE GOT TO GO, GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHO SECONDED IT? OK, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 17.
DOES EVERYBODY ANYBODY HERE WANTING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 17? POSSIBLE REZONE.
MR. MAYOR I MOVE WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
NOW WE POTENTIALLY HAVE POTENTIAL ACTION ITEM COMING OFF OF 17.
WHY DID STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL? MR. REEVES? BECAUSE IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE FOUR SUBDIVISIONS, WHO ALREADY HAVE 45 FOOT LOTS ALREADY PLANNED, WHERE IS THE MIX WE'RE SEEING? I DON'T SEE MIX.
NORMALLY IT'S A FIVE DISTRICT REQUIRES 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS MINIMUM.
THAT ESSENTIALLY A 50 FOOT FRONT.
IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE THOUGH.
I MEAN, I'M JUST RIGHT, FIVE FEET.
I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] YOU CONSIDER FORTY FIVE AND FIFTY TO BE A MIX? I MEAN, DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THOSE ARE A MIX BETWEEN 45 AND 50? I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BY MIX.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER A FORTY FIVE FOOT LOT AND A 50 FOOT FRONT TO BE THAT VARIABLE? I WOULD, YES.
YOU WOULD? THE OTHER ISSUE I SEE IS YOU MADE A MENTION A WHILE AGO OF COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT WE'RE ZONING EVERYTHING SF-5 THAT, THAT LEAVES US WITH NO TEETH TO COME BACK TO.
ONCE IT'S ZONED SF-5, IT CAN ALL BE RESIDENTIAL IF IT WANTS.
AND THAT'S THAT REALLY IS THAT PROPERTY IS I CAN SEE SOME PURPOSE TO RESIDENTIAL THE MAJORITY THAT IS RIGHT IN THE HEART OF OUR NEWER DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND YOU WOULD THINK WITH ACCESS TO 288 COMING THROUGH FROM [INAUDIBLE].
THAT WOULD REALLY BE MORE VALUABLE AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOR US.
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I THINK THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE 17 YEARS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN HAS BEEN IN PLACE AND THE FACT THAT NONE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS EVER HAPPENED THERE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING DRIVING THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.AND SO I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY REALLY HAS THAT POTENTIAL FOR THAT.
MIC] THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF THIS, NORTH AND EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S AN EAST-WEST STREET, THAT STUBS OUT WOULD STUB OUT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WILL BE EXTENDED BY THE PROJECT INTO THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT IS TO TAKE IT ACROSS THE PROPERTY, BUT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING TO ME, I GUESS WE'LL JUST GET TO THE POINT.
THAT'S COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE IN.
IT SEEMED THAT CONTINUATION OF THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SMART.
YOUR LAND LOCKING THE COMMERCIAL.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE COMMERCIAL TO GROW IN THAT AREA.
ALL THE REST OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THIS IS STILL UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT'S IN THE CITY'S ETJ.
SO IT'S STILL AVAILABLE TO BE DEVELOPED COMMERCIALLY.
YES, BUT [INAUDIBLE] IS REALLY GONNA [INAUDIBLE] IS REALLY THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THIS WILL TAKE US TO 288 ROUGHLY.
IT'S POTENTIALLY A BIG CORRIDOR CONNECTIVITY OF THE CITY FOR THE CITY.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE TO HELP FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN THE CITY AND HELP PEOPLE GET EAST-WEST IN THE CITY WITHIN THE CITY.
WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO GO NORTH- SOUTH, I MEAN, BUT EAST WEST TRAVEL IN ANGLETON IS SEVERELY LACKING.
I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE EXPLORING HENDERSON ROAD AS WELL AS A CORRIDOR, IF YOU WILL.
I KEEP USING THAT WORD, BUT JUST SEEMS LIKE WITH THE HEAVY TRAVEL ALONG THAT ROAD, IT SEEMS LIKE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.
LIKE JOHN POINTED OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO QUICKLY GET TO 288.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE EXITING 288 OR COUNTY ROAD 44, BUT BASICALLY OFF OF 288.
WELL, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS I DON'T THINK THAT THE PERFORMANCE IN THE 17 YEARS OF THE ADOPTION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN INDICATES THAT THAT'S EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO YOU HAVE A REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU TO REZONE SF-5, AND IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY YOUR PREROGATIVE TO SAY NO, THAT WE DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY THE CASE HERE.
THE SF-5 GOING BACK TO THAT, HOW MANY SF-5S JOBS ARE CURRENTLY IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON, DO YOU KNOW? NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF.
[INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL 45S, SO ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
IF THEY'RE IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES OF THE CITY'S SF-5 ZONING DISTRICT.
YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DO SMALLER THAN SF-5 IN THE CITY WITHOUT DOING IT AS PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S THE ARMS THAT WE'RE USING TO TACKLE RIVERWAY? WELL, WELL, HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO HAVE 45 FOOT FRONTS? BECAUSE THEY'RE IN [INAUDIBLE].
BECAUSE THEY'RE IN [INAUDIBLE].
BUT WITH THE WHOLE INTENTION IS THAT IT WILL BE ANNEXED AND BECOME PART OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, CORRECT? IT'S NOT LIKE.
AFTER ALL, THE DEBT [INAUDIBLE] PAID OFF.
I MEAN, IT MAY TAKE 30 OR 40 YEARS TO PAY OFF THE DEBT IN [INAUDIBLE] GREEN.
I GUESS I JUST, HERE'S WHAT I MY ISSUE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING SF-5 IS ONE YOU DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY TEETH FOR THE CITY TO KEEP THE
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COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT.YES, I REALLY HOPE THAT IT DEVELOPS WITH SOME COMMERCIAL ASPECTS TO IT.
BUT BY DEVELOPING THIS ALL OR CHANGING THE ZONING TO SF-5, WE OPEN IT UP TO THE WHOLE THING CAN BE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH GIVES NO AVENUE OF GROWTH FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
MY SECOND ISSUE IS [INAUDIBLE] ROAD.
AS IT EXTENDS, IT NEEDS TO GO DUE WEST STRAIGHT INTO 44, IT.
I'VE SEEN SOME DESIGNS BRINGING IT SOUTH ALL THE WAY DOWN CLOSER BACK TO WILKINS AND THAT REALLY DOESN'T HELP US VERY MUCH BECAUSE IT BRINGS PEOPLE DOWN [INAUDIBLE] FURTHER TO GO BACK UP TO GO TO CANNAN, WHICH AS YOU AND ANYBODY WHO LIVES IN ANGLETON KNOWS, IT IS FRUSTRATING TO HAVE TO GO TO HENDERSON OR TO WILKINS AND GO DOWN WILKINS, WHICH IS A VERY DANGEROUS ROAD TO BE OUR MAJOR COLLECTORS RIGHT NOW.
AND I DISAGREE THAT IT'S A MINOR COLLECTOR.
IT IT REALLY SHOULD BE SET UP AS A MAJOR COLLECTOR, JUST AS HENDERSON SHOULD BE, BECAUSE IN DUE COURSE, 44 WILL EVENTUALLY BE BOULEVARD.
AND WHY WE DON'T WE WANT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, NOT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT NOW.
AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT A TWO LANE ROAD WITH DITCHES ON BOTH SIDES.
NOW, WE SHOULD PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR.
I MEAN, YOUR MULTIPLE EVEN IF YOU GO WITH YOUR HOUSING, I MEAN, HOW MANY LOTS ARE WE EXPECTING TO BE ON 164 ACRES? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY LOTS ARE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW? SO THAT'S A THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC, THAT'S A LOT OF VEHICLES, I MEAN, YOU PROBABLY AVERAGE, WHAT? TWO VEHICLES PER HOME, ONE ONE POINT SEVENTY FIVE MAYBE.
I MEAN, THAT'S A COUPLE OF THOUSAND VEHICLES, ROUGHLY.
AND THEN ONCE IT OPENS UP, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S IT'S JUST YOU GOT TO SEE THAT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO SEE THAT EAST WEST CORRIDOR WILL BECOME A HEAVILY TRAVELED BECAUSE.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO THE ATTRACTION OF WAL-MART.
SHOCKED, AND IF YOU GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY NOT TO HAVE TO GO DOWN, YOU KNOW, 288, BUSINESS 288 AND THEY CAN CUT THROUGH ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN THEN THEY'LL DO THAT, I MEAN.
I HAVE MY CONCERNS, I'M NOT I'M.
IN MY MIND, THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 45 FEET AND 50 FEET.
I GUESS IT ADDS FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE, WHICH IS A CUMULATIVE OF 10.
WHICH IS, WHAT, JUST OVER THREE YARDS? AND THAT'S NOT MUCH TO ME.
I DON'T SEE THE DIVERSITY IN THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO SEE, AT LEAST I'M HOPING TO SEE.
I KNOW THAT LAST WEEK WE SAT HERE AND WE DID A POSTMORTEM ON THE FREEZE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT ALL SORTS OF WATER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES FOR.
SINCE TIME I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT'S ABOUT NINE MONTHS OR SO.
BECAUSE WE HAVE MAJOR, MAJOR CONCERNS AND WE'RE.
I REMEMBER MR. PATTERSON SPEAKING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT HOW WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF WATER, BASICALLY IN CONNECTIONS OF WATER PRESSURE, WE'VE ONLY GOT A LIMITED LEFT BEFORE.
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING VERY SEVERE.
I SAY SEVERE, MAYBE DRASTIC MAYBE.
EXPENSIVE, RIGHT? THEY'RE GETTING OUR WATER SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE WILL HAVE TO PATROL THAT AREA AS IT SHOULD.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING A WHOLE LOT TO.
THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I REITERATE MY POINT, I DON'T SEE MUCH DIFFERENCE FROM 45 FIVE FOOT AND 50 FOOT LOTS.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A GOOD ANALOGY, BUT I CERTAINLY BELIEVE ANGLETON'S IN A POSITION OF STRENGTH AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR A WHILE.
I WANT US TO GROW, BUT I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO IT.
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WITH AN EYE TO THE FUTURE, WITH AN EYE TO THE PEOPLE WHO PRESENTLY LIVE HERE ARE GOING TO FOOT THE BILL.THOSE 50 FOOT FRONTS ARE A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON, IT'S MORE OF THE SAME, AND I BELIEVE I DON'T FAULT THOSE DEVELOPERS FOR COMING TO ANGLETON WHEN THEY SAW US DEVELOPING FORTY FIVE FOOT LOTS.
I WOULD SURE BE HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THE OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, THERE'S A REASON THEY WANT THOSE, NOT JUST WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR, IT'S GOOD FOR THE BOTTOM LINE.
BUT WE HAVE EXAMPLES IN THIS CITY ALREADY IN PLACE THAT SHOWS THAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR MORE THAN JUST FORTY FIVE FEET LOTS.
I MEAN, HERITAGE COURT IS JUST NOW BUILT OUT.
[INAUDIBLE] EXCUSE ME? OK, SOMEBODY WANT'S TO JUMP IN, THAT'S FINE.
THOSE ARE 70 FOOT LOTS, I KNOW HERITAGE PARK BY [INAUDIBLE] HERE BY THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THOSE ARE PROBABLY 70 FOOT 65, 70.
WHAT ARE THEY? SOME ARE LIGHTER THAN THE ORIGINAL AND THOSE ARE BEING BUILT OUT.
SO THERE'S A DEMAND I MEAN, THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT AS WELL.
AND GREYSTONE'S 60, RIGHT? GREYSTONE'S 70? 60, NO THEY'RE 60.
BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE USED TO BE WAYNE.
AND WHEN [INAUDIBLE] MEADOWS CAME BEFORE THIS CITY COUNCIL.
THE RECOMMENDATION BY WAYNE BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] MEADOWS IS NOTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY IS 45S.
WAYNE, AT THAT TIME, HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS AGAINST DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE SATURATION OF THE THAT SIZE LOTS, THOSE SIZE LOTS IN THE CITY, I THINK AT THAT TIME HE WAS SAYING, I THOUGHT THE NUMBER IT COULD BE IN BETWEEN TWELVE HUNDRED AND SIXTEEN HUNDRED, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF TIME AHEAD.
WE WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED IT ANYWAY.
BUT HERE WE ARE AGAIN, AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE SEEING THAT.
WE MAY TALK TOUGH, BUT WE DON'T STAND BY WHAT WE'VE.
AT LEAST VERBALLY TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE WAY I FEEL, THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE, WE'RE HOLDING THE CARDS AND WE GOT THE ACES AND WE'RE STILL FEELING LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GET BEAT SOMEHOW.
I WANT THAT I'M NOT GOING TO LIE, I MEAN, THAT CORRIDOR WOULD BE GREAT, BUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOOD FOR THE LONG TERM OF THE CITY, WE CAN WAIT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME IN AND DEVELOP IT.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
SO WELL, RESPECTFULLY HAVE TO DISAGREE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, I GET IT.
I UNDERSTAND, LIKE MR. REEVES SAID, THAT PROPERTY HAS SIT VACANT FOR SO LONG.
NOT ENOUGH TO GO TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE AT.
I REALLY SEE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO USE THAT FOR COMMERCIAL, BUT I REALLY DON'T SEE SOMEBODY.
WE HAVE TO REALLY COME IN A BIG COMMERCIAL TO TAKE ALL THAT LAND.
I THINK THE [INAUDIBLE] WANT TO SELL IT AS ONE BIG PIECE, NOT SMALL PIECE, SELL IT ALL.
THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND BUY THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING AND THEN MAKE IT TO THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE A PROFIT, THEN TO BUILD THAT COMMERCIAL, WHATEVER IT COULD BE, A SHOPPING MALL, WHICH WE KNOW SHOPPING MALLS ARE KIND OF THING OF THE PAST AND MORE STRIP CENTERS.
I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING RIGHT THERE.
THERE IS STILL SOME LAND OVER THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF [INAUDIBLE].
I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE GENTLEMAN AND HE IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING IF HE DEVELOPS, THAT COULD BE THAT WEST EAST BOULEVARD GO STRAIGHT THROUGH THAT SUBDIVISION.
THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT FLEXIBILITY, THAT ABILITY.
THAT'S WHAT WE MAY HOLD THE CARDS THAT SAY YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW AS A CITY.
AND CHRIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY RIGHT NOW TO BUILD A BIG STREET BACK THERE.
BUT THE DEVELOPER CAN DO THAT FOR US, UP BOULEVARD EAST AND WEST.
I THINK JOHN COMMENTED THIS WEEKEND ON FACEBOOK, WE NEED BIGGER EAST AND WEST THOROUGHFARES.
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IF THIS IS THE ABILITY FOR US TO GET AN EAST AND WEST THOROUGHFARE IN THE CITY WITHOUT US HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, I GET IT.I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A FAN OF THE 45 FOOT LOTS.
I WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION I GET.
BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT THE, I HATE TO SAY IT, MARKET'S DEMANDING.
CAN WE SAY NO? YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY NO.
I SAT LAST WEEK AND MET WITH TWO SEPARATE REAL ESTATE COMPANIES.
TWO SEPARATE, THEY'RE COMPETITORS.
AND THEY'RE TELLING ME RIGHT NOW THE 45S AND 50S IS THE MARKET.
THEY'RE NOT BEATING DOWN THE DOOR TO COME AND BUILD 70S AND 80S.
THEY'RE JUST IT'S NOT IF THEY IF THEY WERE, THEY'D BE HERE.
WE GOT MR. APLAN NOW WHO'S COMING.
HE'S OFFERING THAT LITTLE BIT OF VARIETY.
WE DO HAVE MR. PELTIER OVER ON HENDERSON.
HE'S OFFERING A LITTLE VARIETY.
THAT'S A SLOW SUBDIVISION, I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT, TOO, BECAUSE I'M GAUGING ROSEWOOD, [INAUDIBLE], HERITAGE OAKS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE ONE'S A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN THE OTHER.
WHERE DO WE SAY NO? I'M WITH YOU, MR. TOWNSEND.
BUT IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO NOT HAVE TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD THAT EAST AND WEST NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THOROUGHFARE I GET.
AND JOHN, THERE IS I'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT HOW HE WOULD MAKE THAT BOULEVARD MAKE IT TO COUNTY ROAD 44.
IS THERE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE IT CLOSER TO [INAUDIBLE] ROAD? THAT'S THE NEGOTIATION PIECE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO GO STRAIGHT.
IT CAN'T ON DOGLEG DOWN TO THE SOUTH.
I SAW A SINGLE BEND IN, I DID SEE A SINGLE BEND.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BETWEEN THEIR ENGINEER AND US, WE CAN PROBABLY COMPROMISE AND FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT NONETHELESS, THE FOUR LANE BOULEVARD WOULD HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC OFF OF COMING INTO TOWN AND GETTING OUT OF TOWN, GETTING INTO TOWN.
I REALLY THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A BARGAINING POWER.
MR. TOWNSEND IS WORKING WITH THIS DEVELOPER, BUT GOING BACK TO THEY'RE NOT BEATING DOWN THE DOORS TO BUILD 80 FOOT LOTS.
JUST WE'RE NOT SEEING IT NOW, MAYBE WITH MR. APLAN.
WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR GAUGE.
IS HE GOING TO SELL? I MEAN, HOW FAST CAN HE FILL A HUNDRED HOMES OVER THERE? IS IT GOING TO TAKE FIVE YEARS? GOING TO TAKE TWENTY YEARS? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT JUST TALKING TO THE REALTORS THE OTHER DAY, THEY WERE SAYING THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, NOT JUST IN ANGLETON.
AND I DO THINK WE HAVE A VARIETY.
I THINK WE GOT A VARIETY BETWEEN THE THREE OTHER LARGER SUBDIVISIONS BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT MARKET.
THERE IS THERE'S BOTH DEMOGRAPHICS.
I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH TO SHARE.
WATER, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE TO A POINT NOW WHERE THIS CITY IS NOT ADDRESSED FUTURE NEEDS, AND NOW IT'S HERE.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT MAY BE DRASTIC.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO PROBABLY HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
IT MAY TAKE FIVE YEARS TO BUILD 500 HOMES.
IT MAY TAKE RIVERWOOD, FIVE YEARS TO BUILD 300 HOMES.
I MEAN, MY SENTIMENT IS, IS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP WITH MOBILITY AND WE HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH GETTING ANOTHER SUBDIVISION.
I'M VERY RECEPTIVE AND OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT IT COST TO BUILD RICHMOND.
WE KNOW WHAT IT COST TO BUILD SOUTH SIDE DRIVE, AND THAT'S A TWO LANE ROAD WITH CURBS AND GUTTERS.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT A FOUR LANE BOULEVARD WOULD COST US OVER THERE, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN HELP US DO THAT, I WOULD REALLY COME TO THE TABLE AND LET'S TALK LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.
[INAUDIBLE] REGARDING THE ALIGNMENT OF.
THE PROJECTION OF CANNAN DRIVE, [INAUDIBLE] DRIVE THROUGH, THERE'S ANOTHER LANDOWNER OVER THERE BY [INAUDIBLE] ROAD AND ANCHOR ROAD.
UNLESS YOU GO BY THAT GUY'S PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T JUST GO PUT A ROAD THROUGH THERE, SO THIS PERSON WHO'S WANTING TO DEVELOP THIS LAND HAS A PLAN TO BRING CANNON.
WE'LL CALL IT CANNON OVER TO ANCHOR ROAD.
IS BEST POSITIONED THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE PUT BECAUSE YOU GOT TO THE FRONTAGE ALONG ANCHOR ROAD TO BRING IT THERE.
A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE.
WE HAVE SOME HIGHLY TRAFFICKED ROADS HERE IN TOWN RUNNING THROUGH.
PRETTY HEAVY, HEAVY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SO THOSE THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED TO IF YOU'VE GOT A BOULEVARD, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO BE HAVING HOMES FRONTING ON THE BOULEVARD.
I THINK WHAT HE SAID, WHAT I SAW WAS JUST A RENDITION OF SLIGHT RENDITION.
IT WOULDN'T BE THERE WOULD BE NO FRONT YARDS [INAUDIBLE].
I'VE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL TOWNS WHERE THEY'VE GROWN UP IN THESE FOUR LANE
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BOULEVARDS AND THERE'S ROADS.I CAN'T EVEN GET IN THE YARD, GET IN THE DRIVEWAY OR GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET CONTINUE THIS EAST WEST FLOW THROUGH TOWN.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE IN THE INTERSECTION OF [INAUDIBLE] STREET AND CANNAN AND YOU WANT TO GET TO THE FREEWAY, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO [INAUDIBLE] STREET.
GOING OUT OF TOWN, BUSINESS 288, [INAUDIBLE] OR [INAUDIBLE].
THIS WAY IS THE ROUTE TO GET OVER TO ANCHOR ROAD AND ON OUT.
OUT TO THE FREEWAY THIS WAY, THE QUESTION I HAVE TO HAS.
REGARDING ZONING, HAS THIS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? IT WAS MR. REEVES.
WHAT WAS IT, MR. REEVES? I'M SORRY.
IT WAS MY PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH THE 4TH AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF FIVE IN FAVOR TWO OPPOSE.
AND IF I JUST HAD ONE LAST COMMENT, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY LAST NIGHT TO GO THROUGH ROSEWOOD 45, 47 FOOT LOTS, SOME WERE 50, NOT VERY MANY, BUT THERE IS.
THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION THAT PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF WHERE THEY LIVE, IT'S CLEAN.
THE SIDEWALKS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
WE HAVE SOME SUBDIVISIONS AROUND HERE THAT ARE THE BIGGER LOTS.
I REALLY THINK THERE'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STIGMA IS, BUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT WHY THEY THINK SMALL LOTS ARE NOT A GOOD FOR A COMMUNITY.
THESE THIS SUBDIVISION IS CLEAN.
WE HAVE OUR CITY STAFF, I THINK THREE OF OUR CITY STAFF LIVE IN THIS SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THESE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS WE'RE GETTING WILL BE JUST LIKE IT.
YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IF I COULD HAVE ROCKS, I'D HAVE ROCKS.
I AM I'D LIKE A SMALL YARD FOR THE UPKEEP.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THESE DAYS MAYBE YOU OR YOU HAVE TIME TO SIT ALL WEEKEND AND MOWING YARD, MANICURE.
BUT SOME PEOPLE MAY WANT TO RUN THAT MORE FOR 30 MINUTES.
THEY'RE DONE MOWING THEIR YARD.
AND IT'S NOT AS SMALL AS YOU THINK.
I MEAN, FOUR CARS, THAT'S FOUR THAT'S FOUR CARS THAT SIT THERE BACK TO BACK.
SO THAT'S HOW DEEP THEIR YARD IS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S RIGHT THERE.
YOU LAY DOWN IN YOU'RE RIGHT AT YOUR SIDEWALK.
IT'S THERE'S A SMALL THERE'S A SMALL FRONT YARD.
SO MAYBE SOME HAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BACKYARD.
THEY'RE LARGER LAND, MORE LAND THERE.
BUT I JUST YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO COME UP, I KNEW IT WHEN IT CAME.
BUT HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE VERY PROACTIVE, BE RESPONSIBLE AND BUILD IT RIGHT.
JUST WE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO BUILD IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, ESPECIALLY.
WE CAN GET IN EAST AND WEST THOROUGHFARE.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S MORE PROPERTY.
THERE'S ALSO PROPERTY BY THE MENTAL HEALTH PLACE.
THERE'S THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
I MEAN, SOMETHING COULD GO RIGHT THERE, A SHOPPING STRIP, A GAS STATION AND A RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM MAYBE.
OK, WELL, THEY YOU COULD COME IN AND IF YOU WANT COMMERCIAL THERE, I'M JUST SAYING THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE SOME OF THAT.
BUT I DON'T SEE THE DEVELOPERS SITTING AND COMING AND WANTING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DEVELOP A SHOPPING MALL IN ANGLETON RIGHT NOW.
WE ALWAYS SAY ROOFTOP TO BRING IT, BUT I THINK THEY'LL FIND SOME OTHER PLACE TO GO.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO 523, I THINK GOING TO GO UP TO BUSINESS TO [INAUDIBLE] NORTH OF THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT COMMERCIAL GROWTH IS GOING TO BE.
IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE LAND USE.
WE HAD A COMMENT ABOUT SOME PROPERTY SOUTH OF IT.
I WAS KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING WHILE AGO.
THAT'S BECAUSE THAT RUNS THIS PROPERTY, RUNS RIGHT UP AGAINST A DRAINAGE DITCH, RIGHT? YES.
THERE IS NO PROPERTY SOUTH OF IT.
THAT'S BCOS PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME MORE AVAILABLE LAND UP THAT A WAY THAT COULD BE REZONED TO MAYBE COMMERCIAL VERSUS SF SOMETHING.
THERE'S SUM OF OPINIONS, SIX OPINIONS, WE ALL HAVE AN OPINION.
I THINK IF THERE IS A BOULEVARD THAT CONNECTS ANCHOR ROAD TO CANNAN ROAD, THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME SMALL STRIP SHOPPING CENTERS.
I DON'T SEE A LARGE COMMERCIAL COMPANY COMING IN HERE AND BUILDING OUT LIKE A
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COSTCO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I MEAN, THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITY FOR SMALLER BUSINESS SHOPPING STRIP CENTER ALONG THAT BOULEVARD IF IT'S BUILT, BECAUSE IT WILL BE A HIGHLY TRAFFICKED AREA.SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JOHN, ABOUT POSSIBLY MISSED OPPORTUNITY THERE IF WE DESIGNATE AS SF-5.
CAN ANYBODY TELL ME HOW MANY? FORTY FIVE FOOT LOTS THAT WE HAVE GOING UP.
MORE THAN I THINK IT'S MORE THAN TWELVE HUNDRED.
DO YOU KNOW THAT ONE? SO WE'VE REALLY YET TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET WILL YIELD.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THE ONE OFF THERE IS SELLING IF THEY EVEN STARTED SELLING.
HE IS NOT LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, THE GAUGE THAT I'VE USED WAS ROSEWOOD SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE, THREE STREETS, 20 PLUS ON EACH, ONE IN THREE YEARS, 60 PLUS HOMES BUILT IN THREE YEARS.
THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF HOMES RIGHT NOW.
YEAH GREEN TRAILS OVER THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE BUILDING TWO MORE.
ONE HUNDRED HOMES OUT OF ROSEWOOD AND [INAUDIBLE] TRAILS RIGHT NOW AS OF RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 12 TIMES AS MUCH.
THAT'S A LOT OF HOMES TO SELL.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING IT IN PHASES THINK PHASE ONE FACE TO FACE, AND I GET IT, I GET IT, BUT.
I MEAN, HOW LONG DOES THESE DO THESE DEVELOPMENTS TAKE? TWO YEARS.
IT TOOK US TWO YEARS TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE AT ON MOST OF THESE, OK, OF STARTING THE TALKS.
AND I'M OF THE SAME MINDSET AS MR. TOWNSEND IS.
WE HOLD OUR COMMUNITY AND IN VERY HIGH REGARDS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT 45 WITH LOTS OR ANYTHING TO LOOK DOWN ON, BUT I'M SAYING WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THEM.
I DO NOT WANT TO SCARE AWAY DEVELOPERS, BUT I DO WANT THEM TO REPRESENT THE CITY.
AND YOU SAY YOU WANT DIVERSITY, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF 45 LOTS.
I THINK THE BOULEVARD THERE, I KNOW ANCHOR ROAD THAT'S BEEN EYED AT FOR MAKING FOUR LANES, IS A BOULEVARD PREVIOUSLY, MAYBE WITH THE COUNTY IN THE CITY JOINT VENTURE.
SO TO HAVE ANOTHER FOUR LANE BOULEVARD TO COME OFF OF THAT WOULD EASE A LOT OF A LOT OF PAIN.
YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO DO THAT AND MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT.
IF THEY SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THERE AND MAKE IT LUCRATIVE, THEY WILL.
BUT IF NOT, I THINK THAT THAT CORNER OF PROPERTY COULD BE IN PRETTY NICE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE PROPERTY AS WELL.
IT IS NOT THE ONLY SPOT THERE FOR COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, BUT I.
AND IF 50 FOOT LOT ISN'T A BIG DIFFERENCE, THEN 45 TO ME IT IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT ALSO, I DO KNOW THOSE 60 FOOT LOTS TAKE A.
THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT WHILE LITTLE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO DEVELOP AND SELL SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO BRING THE 45 FOOT LOTS .
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WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT.WHEN GRACETOWN DEVELOPS AND HERITAGE PART FINISHES UP AND [INAUDIBLE] PHASE SEVEN.
WE'LL SEE HOW FAST THOSE HOUSES GO UP.
I MEAN, MARK, I DON'T WANT TO.
I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD A LITTLE BIT.
AND, MR. MAYOR, I'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF 45 THROUGH HERE, AND I'VE VOTED FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE, AS FAR AS I KNOW.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE AT THAT CAPACITY NOW THAT WE'RE BEING TOLD BY THE DEVELOPERS THAT THIS IS WHAT'S SELLING.
BUT WHY WOULD THEY TELL US SOMETHING DIFFERENT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE MARKET THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL TO.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST PROFITABLE FOR THEM.
SO I HEAR ALL THE DIFFERENT STATEMENTS.
ONE, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND IS RIGHT THAT WE HOLD THE CARDS.
WE NEED TO BE VERY SELECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING IN HERE AND WHAT COUNCILMAN GONGORA SAID OF WE'VE WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THE DIVERSITY THAT WE NEED IN HERE.
I'VE HEARD WAYNE AND BOTH OF YOU BOTH SAY IN 17 YEARS THIS PROPERTY HASN'T DEVELOPED.
THIS IS NOT THE SAME, ANGLETON.
AND ACTUALLY THE MOBILITY PLAN, I HATE TO SAY IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
THESE THAT WAS ANGLETON WAS A LOT DIFFERENT 17 YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.
SO WE ONLY GET ONE SHOT TO GET THIS RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M SO YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE MISSED THE MARK ON GRACETOWN WITH GETTING HOSPITAL DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE IT WAS A MAJOR COLLECTOR.
IT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE MOBILITY PLAN.
AND IF WE GET IT WRONG, IT'S FOREVER GOING TO BE LIKE THAT.
SO TO ME, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TO STICK TO THE GUNS.
AND YET COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.
BUT THAT'S I'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING TO CHRIS AND OTHERS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF CA CAN GET IN, WE CAN DO A LAND SWAP WITH THE GUY PUTTING HIS PROPERTY BACK TOGETHER.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE, I FEEL.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT YET AND SAYUUS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.
AND SO WE JUST SAY, OK, WE'LL JUST DOGLIKE IT DOWN AND GO TO FORTY FOUR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE, WE TAKE ALL THE BOXES BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER ON THIS, BECAUSE WE DO ONLY GET ONE SHOT AT THIS.
AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR DECADES ABOUT HOW IT WOULD PUT THE CITY TOGETHER BECAUSE IT REALLY IS THE MISSING LINK FOR OUR MOBILITY IN ANGLETON.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, I, I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH SOME OTHERS THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PRIME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALONE RIGHT THERE ABOUT ANCHOR ROAD AND B, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET.
THAT WOULD BE THE SPOT OR A KROGER SIGNATURE AND SAY THAT KROGER WANTS TO EXPAND AND PUT A NEW ONE IN, YOU KNOW, THEY DID THE SAME THING ON DIXY IN LAKE JACKSON OR KLUTE AND CAME DOWN.
YOU KNOW, I REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE.
AND I THINK WE'VE MISSED THE MARK.
I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED SF-5.
I'M SAYING WE ALREADY HAVE IT.
WE'VE ALREADY WRITTEN CHECKS ON A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PLACES THAT WE HAVEN'T YET SEEN.
AND IF WE SAY YES TO THIS ONE NOW, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE MORE CAPACITY ISSUES ON WATER AND SEWER.
AND WE'VE GIVEN AWAY THIS WHOLE CROWN JEWEL OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO SF-5.
AND I'M NOT I'M NOT AGAINST THE SFI.
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE VOTED FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE 40 TIMES, BUT WE JUST HAVE TOO MANY NOW.
WE HAVE 50 THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
I WANT TO SEE US WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER.
AND TRY TO GET THIS PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT BETTER SHAPE FOR THE CITY LONG TERM.
AND ARE YOU SAYING AS LONG AS THEY CAN COME TO THE TABLE AND GO BOULEVARD VERSUS NOT A TWO LANE ROAD, YOU'RE MORE OPEN TO THAT IDEA? SHOULD THIS MATERIALIZE, WE WANT TO BE THE PARTNER AND HAVE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, EAST AND WEST, IF IT IS THE DIVISION THAT GOES TO THAT SUBDIVISION.
I WANT TO SEE US MAKE SURE WE'VE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO TALK TO THE OTHER LANDOWNER FIRST TO MAKE SURE WE CAN WORK OUT SOME DEAL ON THIS TO WHERE WE'RE NOT HOLDING THEM HOSTAGE, BECAUSE HONESTLY AND I'LL BE BLUNT, THAT WHY WOULD I AS A DEVELOPER WANT TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH WHEN I DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE VERY END TO CONNECT THROUGH? SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR THEM TO DO IT THAT WAY.
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SO I THINK THE CITY HAS SOME WORK TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET AN AGREEMENT ON THAT.BUT THIS IS OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS TO GET THAT EAST WEST STREET CORRIDOR THROUGH TO WHERE IT REALLY SHOULD LINE UP WITH ENCHANTED OAKS DRIVE IF IT WAS DONE CORRECTLY, BECAUSE THAT'S A FOUR WAY STOP RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT'S A TRAFFIC CONTROL ISSUE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND IT JUST MAKES THINGS EASIER IN THE LONG TERM.
AND THEN IT GIVES US THE ABILITY I WANT TO SEE COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE [INAUDIBLE] AT LEAST.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT HOUSES ON THE BOTTOM, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I WANT TO SEE FROM HENDERSON, KIND OF THE BACKSIDE OF HENDERSON, YOU KNOW, BEHIND WAL-MART, THE LAKE HARDWARE, ALL OF THAT AREA, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT OPENED UP FOR COMMERCIAL.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M FINE WITH HOUSES, BUT I ALSO WANT TO SEE A DIVERSITY IN THE HOUSES, NOT JUST 50.
BECAUSE MAYOR, HERITAGE COURT, YOU KNOW, HOW FAST IT DEVELOPED ONCE THEY GOT TO THE HOMEBUILDER ON BOARD, IT WENT UP AND IT'S ALMOST I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH DONE.
I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL HOUSES ARE SELLING RIGHT NOW, NOT JUST 50S, NOT JUST 60S.
WE'RE SEEING IT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND IT'S KIND OF AN UNFAIR COMPARISON TO SAY ROSEWOOD IS, YOU KNOW, CLEAN AND NICE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT IT'S ALSO BRAND NEW FOR THE MOST PART.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE AND I THINK PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE 50S AND 60S AND 70S.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING FAIR TO EVERYBODY AND GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE A HOME THAT THEY WANT.
BUT I ALSO THINK WE'VE GONE OUT OF OUR WAY TO THAT TYPE OF CITY.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF 45S COMING.
AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT.
WE'VE GOT TO GET OUR WATER SYSTEM FIXED.
I WANT TO SEE ALL THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
I JUST CAN'T KEEP SIGNING THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS UP FOR MORE OF THIS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
AND MAYBE I WAS A LITTLE HARD, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S BRAND NEW AND CLEAN.
BUT I FEEL FROM WHAT I GET AND WHAT I SEE AND HEAR FROM PEOPLE, THAT WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT NETWORK OF FRIENDS.
IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE THINK THERE'S A STIGMA WITH SMALL LOTS.
AND THAT'S JUST WHAT THE PERCEPTION IS FROM THE PEOPLE I VISIT.
WELL, WHAT'S WRONG WITH SOMEBODY IN A SMALL HOUSE WITH A SMALL LOT? THAT'S WHAT THEY SEE FROM US.
NOW, YOU MAY GET IT FROM MAYBE YOUR NETWORK OF FRIENDS, A DIFFERENT STATURED THAT LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY.
BUT I GET THAT FROM PEOPLE THAT SAY, WHAT'S WRONG WITH 45S AND 50S? IT'S STILL A BEAUTIFUL HOME.
IT'S A TWO THOUSAND DOLLAR HOME SITTING ON A SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHETHER IT SITS ON A SIXTY OR SEVENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY OR TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLAR HOME.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY BIGGER.
IT'S GOING TO BE EIGHTEEN HUNDRED TWO THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, REGARDLESS IF IT'S A 50 FOOT FRONT OR 70 FOOT FRONT.
NOW [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, GOING TO PUT THREE FIFTY TO SEVEN FIFTY.
IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH BIGGER, PROBABLY A LOT MORE CUSTOM.
SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID IT THAT HARSHLY, BUT IT'S JUST I'M GETTING FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE AS WELL THAT THAT'S WHAT I HEAR THAT IS THERE A STIGMA WITH WHAT IS WRONG? THEY MAY NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A HALF ACRE LOT OR 80 FOOT FRONTAGE LOT.
YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN A 65, MAYBE 70, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I LIVE ON.
PLUS ALSO, WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, LAND VALUES TODAY ARE A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS [INAUDIBLE], SO PEOPLE COULD AFFORD A 100 FOOT FRONT LOT BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT CHEAPER.
I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT'S AN ACRE OF LAND RUNNING IN ANGLETON? ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN TO TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AN ACRE LAND THAT WAS UNHEARD OF 20 YEARS AGO; IT WAS A COUPLE TO THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR AN ACRE.
THEN YOU COULD PUT A BIG HOUSE ON A BIG YARD.
TODAY YOU CAN'T TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THESE GUYS WORK THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
THEY COULD PROBABLY COME BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE A PROFIT AS WELL TO PAY FOR THE LAND.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE RIVERWOOD PROPERTY WENT FOR.
I'M SURE IT'S IN THE MILLIONS.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERCEPTION.
WE DID LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS WHEN THEY ASKED FOR THOSE SMALLER LOTS.
AND BEFORE, TELL ME WHERE WE HAD A 45 FOOT LOT IN ANGLETON BEFORE WE STARTED DOING ALL THIS? WAS A [INAUDIBLE] RANCH ON A CUL DE SAC.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE OVER 1200 COMING IN RIGHT NOW.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN VERY CORDIAL AND VERY OPEN AND RECEPTIVE AND APPROVING OF THOSE.
I MEAN, WE JUST CAN'T WE GOT TO START DRAWING THE LINE.
AND WE DID THAT LAST TIME WITH THE PROPOSED [INAUDIBLE] RANCH.
AND WE'VE GOT TO REALLY STICK TO OUR GUNS ON THIS.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST 45S OR 50S TO SOME EXTENT, BUT I WANT TO SEE
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MORE DIVERSITY IN THE SUBDIVISION.WE'VE GOT A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE.
I WANT TO DEPEND ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE.
WELL, I MEAN, I GET YOUR POINT, I MEAN, I CAME FROM PLANNING AND ZONING DO WE JUST KICK THEM OUT OF THE BUS AND SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU ANYMORE.
WHAT DO WE DO? WELL, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING CITY COUNCIL DID THAT ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE GOING TO START LEAVING THE COMMITTEE [INAUDIBLE].
AND IN FAIRNESS, I MEAN, I DO TRUST THE PEOPLE IN PLANNING AND ZONING AND I'LL SAY THAT IS IN THE END, WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEY'RE APPOINTED POSITIONS, THEY'RE DOING THEIR BEST INTEREST IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THE SINCERITY OF THOSE PEOPLE, BECAUSE I KNOW THEM.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SOME OF THE FINEST PEOPLE IN ANGLETON.
BUT WE STILL ANSWER TO THE VOTERS.
AND I KNOW WE JUST FORFEITED AN ELECTION TODAY BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE RAN, BUT-- [LAUGHTER] THEY DON'T WANT THE HEADACHE OF DOING THIS DISCUSSION, I GUESS.
BUT AT THE SAME POINT, WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
AND THAT'S I THOUGHT I WOULD THROW THAT QUESTION OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME DELVING INTO THIS AND THEY'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH NUMEROUS DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I ALSO SAY THAT I'LL SEE HOW MANY OF THESE 45 [INAUDIBLE] LOTS WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW, COMING UP AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF THEM BEING MOVED INTO YET, THEY'RE STILL ON PAPER, RIGHT? THEY'RE STILL BEING CONSTRUCTED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND BUY THEM.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET BEARS, REALLY.
PLUS, HOW MANY HOMES ARE GOING UP IN [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NORTH OF US? ALLEGEDLY, THE WAYNE BRIDGE SUBDIVISION IS SUPPOSED TO BE A THOUSAND.
IT'S A MUCH BIGGER TRACT, OF COURSE-- BUT THOSE ARE SMALLER.
I DON'T, I JUST KNOW IT'S A THOUSAND LOTS.
I'M NOT SURE OF WHAT LOT SIZE.
I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT MAY BE A REASON WHY THE COUNTY'S NEW ZONING I THINK THAT IS PART OF THEIR CONCERN.
RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THE LOTS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THEY'RE SMALLER.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THOUSAND HOMES OF THE SAME SIZE GOING UP IN OUR AREA THAT'S YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHEN I HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS FIRST I GOT A COUPLE THOUGHTS.
ONE IS AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED A LOT--JUST DOING THE SIMPLE MATH OF MY UNDERSTANDING, SO WE HAVE TWELVE HUNDRED PLUS FORTY FIVE FOOT OR 50 FOOT LOTS, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.
MR. [INAUDIBLE] BUILDING APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY FOOT LOTS.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING IN BETWEEN MAYBE THE OTHER THAN THE TWENTY FIVE LOTS THAT SECTION SEVEN OF HERITAGE OAKS IT'S ROUGHLY I THINK TWENTY FIVE LOTS LEFT.
SO THAT'S ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT, OK, THAT'S BASICALLY 12 TO 1.
IF WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOME DIVERSITY, THERE WOULD MAYBE BE NOT JUST ONE BIG, ONE SMALL, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, MAYBE THERE'S FORTY FIVE, SIXTY SEVENTY FIVE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINES TO GIVE THAT DIVERSITY.
WE CALL THAT A BLOWOUT, YOU KNOW.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S OPINION HERE.
I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR EVERY ONE OF YOU.
WE'VE MOSTLY AGREED ON ALMOST EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, THIS THING I JUST DISAGREE ABOUT AND I VISITED WITH PEOPLE TOO, BEING THAT THIS IS CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE PEOPLE COME TO ME AND THEY HAVE CONCERNS NOT BECAUSE IT'S JUST FORTY FIVE FOOT.
IT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU BRING WITH THE FORTY FIVE FOOT.
OK, WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON TO AVOID FLOODING TO MAJOR LAST TWO MAJOR EVENTS.
EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND US IS SWIMMING.
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WE'D BE FOOLISH TO BELIEVE IF WE SATURATE THE LAND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE SOME EFFECT, MAYBE MINIMAL, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME EFFECT.IT'S THE NUMBER OF FORTY FIVE FOOT LOTS.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE FORTY FIVE.
I APOLOGIZE TO ANYBODY IF I'VE LEFT THEM WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT I SOMEHOW LOOK DOWN ON SOMEBODY WITH A FORTY FIVE FOOT LOT, THAT'S NOT IT.
IT'S THE DENSITY ON WHICH IT RELIES.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S 12:1.
SO WE'RE GETTING THAT IN DROVES.
AND IF WE HAVE SIXTEEN HUNDRED LOTS COMING OR FIFTEEN HUNDRED LOTS COMING, I MEAN I THINK THE CITY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE NINE THOUSAND HOMES.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE ADDING ALMOST 15, 20 PERCENT TO THE CITY, OF HOMES, AND THOSE ARE SUDDENLY GOING TO BECOME FORTY FIVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD MARKET SHARE JUST BEING CONSUMED RIGHT THERE OF THAT SIZE OF PROPERTY TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE BUYERS TO COME TO ANGLETON.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR POST MORTEM LAST WEEK SING THE PRAISES OF THE PEOPLE WHO GOT OUT AND HELPED OTHERS.
I MEAN, IT'S WHAT BROUGHT ME TO ANGLETON.
I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT IT'S A HARDWORKING TOWN.
THIS IS A BLUE COLLAR, DRIVEN, HARDWORKING, YOU KNOW, DIRT UNDER YOUR FINGERNAILS TYPE OF COMMUNITY.
THEY TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, BUT THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS.
AND WHEN WE BRING IN THIS KIND OF DENSITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE BEING FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY HERE, AND THAT'S PART OF MY CONCERN.
BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THESE WATER ISSUES THAT ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I MEAN, I KNOW EVERY ONE OF US HERE HAS REAL CONCERNS.
YOU'VE GOT TO FLUSH IT AND YOU'VE GOT TO DRAIN IT.
YOU GOT TO GET RID OF IT WHEN THOSE [INAUDIBLE].
I DO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THE IDEA OF HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF ROOFTOPS COMING IN RAPIDLY IS GOING TO CHANGE THE CITY OF ANGLETON, OK, AND THEIR GROWTH IS INEVITABLE.
BUT LIKE REPEATING JOHN'S POINT, IF WE HOLD THOSE CARDS, WE GET TO HAVE SOME SAY IN HOW IT'S BUILT OUT.
WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ROADS, LOT SIZES, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, DRAINAGE, HOWEVER WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THESE ISSUES AND THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT.
AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS THE BEST INTEREST OF ANGLETON IN THEIR OWN HEART, AND SOMETIMES WE JUST DISAGREE ABOUT SOME THINGS, BUT THIS THING, IT REALLY IS CONCERNING FOR A MULTITUDE OF REASONS.
I THINK I'VE LAID THEM OUT [INAUDIBLE] HOLD MY TONGUE [INAUDIBLE].
BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR LETTING ME TALK.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, JUST GOT TO TALK AND GET IT OUT.
WE APPRECIATE THEM, BUT I THINK PARTIALLY YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, WHEN YOU SAID IT'S A BLUE COLLAR TOWN.
THOSE ARE THOSE GUYS THAT WORK IN THE PLANTS, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER, THEY'RE WORKING HARD AND THE 45 IN THE 50S MAY BE WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BLUE COLLAR SIDE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR WHITE COLLAR WORKERS AS WELL THAT CAN AFFORD THE LARGER HOMES.
I MEAN, YOU SEE THE STORIES AROUND US WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SEEN COMMUNITIES JUST EXPLODE.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBLE GROWTH.
I JUST MAYBE WHERE WE THINK, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE ALL FIVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, FIVE OF US.
AND WE JUST ALL HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
YOU KNOW, YOU BEING THE NEWCOMER, I'VE LIVED HERE JUST LIKE JOHN AND MR. BOOTH.
MR. GONGORA, WE'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME AND WE'VE HEARD HIM SAY ANGLETON HAS NOT GROWN.
OUR POPULATION, BETWEEN THE LAST CENSUS TO THIS CENSUS ONLY WENT UP LIKE A THOUSAND PEOPLE, THAT'S IT.
NOT MUCH IT'S LIKE A ONE PERCENT GROWTH FACTOR, MAYBE TWO PERCENT.
AND NOW WE'RE ON THAT VERGE OF NOW WHERE IT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF HOUSTON, JUMP [INAUDIBLE] APPARENTLY COME TO [INAUDIBLE], NOT FROM ANGLETON, WE MAY BE AT THAT FIVE TO SIX PERCENT GROWTH SPURT.
BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT.
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I MEAN, I REALLY DO.IT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE FOR, WE'RE ALL ELECTED.
LIKE YOU SAID, NOBODY CHOSE TO RUN AGAINST US.
THEY DON'T WANT THAT HEADACHE THAT COMES ALONG WITH MAKING THE TOUGH DECISIONS.
THE DEVELOPERS, WE APPRECIATE THEM.
I MEAN, THEY'VE PROBABLY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ALREADY GETTING TO THIS POINT, PROBABLY SEVERAL TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO GET TO WHERE THEY'RE AT TODAY, THINKING THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PUT A FOOTPRINT IN OUR CITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING STAGES.
WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THIS IS WHAT WE DEMAND.
AND MAYBE I'LL REFER TO JUDITH WHEN WE GET TO THIS POINT.
IS THERE A POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN SAY THAT THEY'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS OF WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD BRING, COULD THERE BE A POTENTIAL TO MAKE A MOTION WITH SOME STIPULATIONS ALREADY? OR IS THIS STRICTLY JUST THE PLANNING AND ZONING PIECE, YOU KNOW, OR THEY'VE HEARD US, THEY KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, DO THEY COME BACK AGAIN WITH BETTER PLAN? MR. MAYOR, I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT HERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I GUESS I NEED TO MAKE AN APOLOGY BECAUSE.
UNTIL I RECEIVED THIS PACKET, I DON'T GUESS I KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE VOTING OR TRYING TO VOTE ON CHANGING THE ZONING OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO I HAVEN'T STUDIED THIS ENOUGH.
I'LL JUST SAY I'LL TELL THAT TO EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, AND I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT MAKING A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL THE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD REGARDING WHAT THE INPUT TO THIS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
HISTORICALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THE TIGNER FAMILY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME EVER HAD ANY INTENTION TO DO ANYTHING OUT THERE.
IT HASN'T BEEN UNTIL THE LAST FEW YEARS.
SO THIS LAND USE PLAN OR WHATEVER WE'VE GOT HERE THAT'S 17 YEARS OLD, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY ASKED THEM WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, WHAT THEY POTENTIALLY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
IT WAS JUST COLORS DRAWN ON A MAP.
THIS [INAUDIBLE] LIKE A GOOD COMMERCIAL AREA.
THIS LOOK LIKE SOME OTHER KIND OF AREA.
FOR THE LONGEST, THE TAKE TO TIGNER FAMILY HAD NO INTENTION OF DOING ANYTHING BUT RAISING CATTLE OUT THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED, FAMILY HAS CHANGED, THEY'RE READY TO DIVEST THEMSELVES OF IT AND HAVE MARKETED THE PROPERTY TO TRY TO GET RID OF A PORTION OF IT.
SO BACK TO WHAT I STARTED SAYING A WHILE AGO, I'M NOT READY TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.
AND YOU DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M GOOD FRIENDS WITH WILLIAMS. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
HE SERVED ON COUNCIL WITH US, DID A WONDERFUL JOB HERE.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED.
AND NOW HERE'S THE POSITION ONCE AGAIN THAT WE'VE HEARD OTHER POLITICIANS SAY, AT WHAT POINT DOES GOVERNMENT TELL SOMEBODY WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY ONCE THEY YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SO CHOOSING TO SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER TO BUILD HOMES.
BUT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO NOW TELL THEM, NO, YOU CAN'T SELL IT OR YOU CAN'T.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE WANT COMMERCIAL.
WELL, THAT'S TO ME A CERTAIN ARM THAT NOW GOVERNMENT IS SAYING WE WILL ONLY APPROVE YOUR PROPERTY IF YOU SELL IT FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE LINES.
I MEAN, WE GOT TO HAVE SOME TEETH.
WE GOT TO WE HAVE TO; I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T BUILD HOUSES.
I'M NOT TELLING HIM HE CAN'T DO WHAT HE'S WANTING TO DO.
I'M JUST SAYING THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF MEDIUM IN THERE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK THE WORLD OF THE TIGNERS AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THIS ALL COMES TO FRUITION.
AND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANT THIS TO WORK OUT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAMSTRINGING THE CITY IN THE LONG RUN I'M WALKING WITH YOU THERE.
EITHER A MOTION CAN GO AND NOT GO OR WE CAN CHOOSE TO TABLE IT, DIGEST IT, SEE IF STAFF WANTS TO VISIT WITH THE DEVELOPER.
SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER GAME PLAN.
WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO, IF YOU'RE IN A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP IT OPEN.
WE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, THEN YOU'LL REOPEN IT WHEN AND IF IT EVER COMES BACK, JUST TABLE IT.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE'RE READY TO RE-APPROACH ON THE SUBJECT.
MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER TOWNSEND, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT.
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE: AYE.
SO DO WE NEED TO NOW GO BACK AND PUT IT BACK AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND JUST LEAVE IT RUNNING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING OR? NO YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU'RE IN THE DISCUSSION DECISION, PART OF THE PROCESS, YOU CAN TABLE IT UNTIL AS YOU JUST DID, OR YOU COULD TABLE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN AND SAVE EVERYBODY THE TROUBLE OF HAVING TO DO THE NOTICE ALL OVER AGAIN.
I THINK WE'RE FINE WHERE WE'RE AT.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A DATE BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL TIME TO GET A PLAN TOGETHER.
AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT AN ARBITRARY TIMELINE ON THAT.
ON THAT ISSUE, AS MR. [INAUDIBLE] MENTIONED THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES ALLOW FOR A PROCESS WHERE DEVELOPERS CAN PRESENT THEIR PROJECTS AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
AND HE'S GOING TO DO THAT PROCESS, BEGINNING WITH THE APRIL 1ST, APRIL FOOLS DAY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH MEANS THAT P&Z WILL REVIEW IT AND MAKE COMMENTS AND PROVIDE INPUT ON HIS PROJECT.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY AT THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I THINK IT'S APRIL 13TH.
SO YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
MAYBE AFTER THAT YOU'LL BE MORE INCLINED TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OK, NOW WE'RE READY TO MAKE A DECISION.
MR. MAYOR? YES, GO AHEAD, SIR.
SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CECIL'S COMMENT, AND I'M NOT ARGUING AGAINST IT, BUT WE WALTER AND I HAD THAT SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROCESSES.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE RUN A P&Z AND THEN IT GETS LAUNCHED INTO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
WELL, THAT DOESN'T GIVE A LOT OF TIME FOR ANYONE TO REVIEW ANYTHING.
SO WE'RE LOOKING WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DO IT ON THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH, BUT THEN IT GOES TO THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING.
SO THAT ALLOWS FOR BETTER DIGESTION AND OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT ON FOR Y'ALL.
AND IT HELPS STAFF OUT TOO, YOU KNOW, WE GET THROUGH SOMETHING AND WE'VE GOT TO CRANK DOCUMENTS TO GET IT IN FOR A COUNCIL MEETING.
YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] ON OUR SIDE.
FIXING TO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY AND AFFECT A LOT OF LIVES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY MY FIRST NOTE.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST THING I WROTE DOWN ON MY NOTES HERE.
LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO SOMETHING, JUST MORE OPEN DISCUSSION, I JUST, I WOULD HAVE ANGST OVER STRONG ARMING SOMEONE THAT OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY DOING WHAT THEY GOT TO DO TO IT, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER CAN SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT MY THAT'S NOT MY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
BUT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION EITHER OF US.
WE WELCOME NEW PEOPLE INTO TOWN.
WE WANT HOUSE TALKS HERE AND STOP AND PEOPLE TO BE PROUD TO LIVE IN THIS TOWN.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG THE REGULAR AGENDA, ITEM
[18. Discussion and possible action on a variance to the sidewalk requirement of Chapter 23, Section 23-14.A. Sidewalks, for the Kiber Reserve Subdivision.]
NUMBER 18, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A VARIANCE TO THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT OF CHAPTER 23, SECTION TWO THREE, DASH ONE FOUR A SIDEWALK FOR KIBER RESERVE SUBDIVISION.THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS, SECTION TWENTY THREE FOURTEEN A FOR THE KIBER RESERVE PROJECT.
THE VARIANCE REQUESTED IS FOR SIDEWALKS ALONG KIBER STREET, DOWNING STREET AND ORANGE STREET.
IN YOUR BACK UP, YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE BAKER AND LAWSON OUTLINING SOME RATHER POINTED ENGINEERING REASONS WHY TRYING TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN ALONG THOSE THREE STREET FRONTAGES WOULD BE DIFFICULT AT BEST.
YOU ALSO HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE BACK UP THAT SHOW THE EXISTING CONDITION ALONG THOSE STREET FRONTAGES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE IN ORDER TO HIT SIDEWALKS INTO THE RIGHT AWAY ON THIS, YOU WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO REDESIGN THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.
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[INAUDIBLE] THE STREETS, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN AND NONE OF THE LOTS ARE GOING TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO ANY OF THESE SIDEWALKS, WOULD HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALKS ALONG THOSE STREETS ANYWAY.THE PROJECT ITSELF WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE INTERIOR STREETS INSIDE THE PROJECT.
THE PROBLEM HERE IS KIND OF THE EXISTING CONDITION CAUSED BY THE FACT THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, ITS EXISTENCE, ANGLETON RELIED ON ROADSIDE DRAINAGE DITCHES ALONGSIDE THE STREET.
AND THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN IT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THERE ARE DITCHES ON ALL THOSE STREET FRONTAGES AND PARTICULARLY THE DOWNING STREET.
AND THAT'S RATHER SIGNIFICANT DITCH ALONG THERE.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DISCUSSED IT AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF IT.
THE VOTE ON THAT WAS FOUR IN FAVOR AND THREE AGAINST.
WHICH IS CRAZY TO ME THAT IT WAS THAT MUCH CLOSER ON THE SIDEWALK VARIANCE FOR THIS THAN THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, WALTER, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON DOWNING WHEN YOU HAVE THIS HUGE DITCH OVER THERE.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW CITIZENS WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO GET TO IT OR ACCESS THAT SIDEWALK IF WE PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED SIDEWALKS, THE INTERIOR OF THAT SUBDIVISION AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T GRANT THE VARIANCE ON THIS.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHRIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE LDC ITEMS IN THERE THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK WHEN WE ADOPTED IT.
WE'RE FINDING SEVERAL THOSE PIECES NOT WORKING.
THE LDC DOES HAVE A CAVEAT IN THERE FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, I GUESS, I NATURALLY, PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, SO, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ME HAS BECOME, I DON'T KNOW, OBSOLETE.
WE JUST DEVELOPED IT, WHEN WAS IT? I THOUGHT WE APPROVED THIS--.
THE LDC WAS ADOPTED FROM SUGARLAND.
AND THAT WAS ADOPTED IN TWENTY SEVENTEEN.
OK, SO WITHIN THREE OR FOUR YEARS, I MEAN, THAT'S A QUICK TIME FOR THAT TO COME.
AND THE REASON I SAY THE WORD OBSOLETE IS BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT EVERY TIME WE'RE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, SOMEBODY IS ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND SO AGAIN, IT KIND OF COMES BACK TO THAT.
EITHER WE BELIEVE IN IT OR WE DON'T.
AND I REMEMBER BEING ON PLANNING ZONING WHEN IT WENT BEFORE US AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS AND NOW GRANTED IT'S I MEAN, HOW MUCH CAN YOU PRESENT OVER AN HOUR LUNCH? AND I THINK IT WAS DONE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THREE.
AND WE'RE ALL MEETING MONTHLY, NOT BI MONTHLY.
SO YOU'RE TALKING YOU CAN FORGET INFORMATION BETWEEN THE MEETINGS.
UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT EVERYBODY'S COMING TO US WITH A VARIANCE.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE'VE EITHER GOT TO UNIFORMLY STAND OUR GROUND OR WE NEED TO STRIKE THE CODE OR WE NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT LIKE I SAID.
IF WE'RE ALWAYS GIVING A VARIANCE, THEN WHAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE? I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT PRETENDING I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
IT'S NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
I THINK IT WAS A GOOD INTENTION THAT WENT BAD OR HAS PARTIALLY GONE BAD.
IT HASN'T TOTALLY GONE BAD, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT JUST DON'T FIT.
SO BEFORE CHRIS TALKS, I WILL SAY JUST FOR BACK HISTORY, YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT WAS COMING AND WE HAD NOTHING IN A PLAYBOOK THAT SAID THIS IS HOW WE WANT THE CITY TO PLAY BY AS FAR AS WHAT IS SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT SIDEWALKS WILL LOOK LIKE WHAT X, Y, Z IS GOING TO BE.
SO STAFF WENT, FOUND SOME SAMPLES, CREATED IT FROM SAMPLES, WHICH THE ONE WE REALLY TOOK HEART TO WAS THE CITY OF SUGARLAND, WHICH SUGARLAND
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AND ANGLETON ARE TWO DIFFERENT BEASTS.IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES, BUT WE TOOK IT.
SHAME ON US FOR NOT READING IT FROM UPPER FIRST PAGE, LEFT CORNER TO LAST PAGE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER AND WENT OVER EVERY SINGLE LINE.
NOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS AND THEY ADDRESSED THINGS.
BUT NOW THAT IT'S IN ITS APPLICATION FORM, WE'RE REALIZING THERE'S THINGS THAT JUST DIDN'T REALLY MATCH HOW WE REALLY NEED TO OPERATE NOW THAT IT'S FUNCTIONING.
SO WITH THAT CHRIS AND HIS STAFF HAS BEEN TASKED TO LOOK AT IT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH, MAKE SOME RECOMMENDED CHANGES, MAYBE CONDENSE IT, MAYBE STRIKE SOME THINGS OUT OF IT AND MAKE IT WHERE IT IS TRULY ANGLETON.
SO, CHRIS, SO PROBABLY IN ONE OF THE NEXT TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU'LL SEE A PROPOSAL THAT WILL-- NOT A STUDY, BUT ACTUAL WORKING GROUP--FACILITATE DISCUSSIONS WITH P&Z, WITH DEVELOPERS, WITH STAFF, WITH COUNCIL AND GATHER ALL THAT THAT'S WRONG OR GOOD OR AND THERE'S DUPLICATE STUFF IN THERE OR CONTRADICTING ORDINANCE AND WHATEVER.
AND SO IT'LL BE A GROUP PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL TAKE, YOU KNOW, SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
AND AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH ALL THE OTHER PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, STAFF INVOLVEMENT, COUNCIL INVOLVEMENT, SO THAT THE PRODUCT WE GET AT THE END IS WHAT WE ALL, YOU KNOW, AGREE ON.
AND SO IF WE DECIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS ONLY COUNT IN DEVELOPMENTS OR ALONG MAJOR ROADS OR WHATEVER, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED WITH DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO READ THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR SOME OF THE STUFF MAY NOT BE WRITTEN PROPERLY.
AND SO THE INTENT IS TO TIGHTEN IT UP AS WE HAVE GONE THROUGH IT, LEARN THE PITFALLS AND WE HEAR ABOUT THE OTHER ONES AND THEN PROCESS THAT THROUGH NEW DOCUMENT THAT'S CREATED THAT IS NOT A COPY AND PASTE IS NOT A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON TO MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK WALTER HAS SOMETHING; GO AHEAD, WALTER.
YEAH, BUT JUST TO ELABORATE ON COUNCIL MEMBER TOWNSEND'S COMMENTS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ESSENTIALLY YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
SO IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT, YOU HAVE NO SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, SO YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND ELIMINATE IT.
I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO MY TIME HERE.
AND THE ONLY VARIANCES THAT I BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE BEEN FOR SIDEWALKS, TWO OF THEM ON SMALL THREE LOT PROJECTS.
SO, OBVIOUSLY, THE SITUATION THE COUNCIL IS THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY OTHER VARIANCES THAT I PROCESSED ON IT FOR THE LEAD DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT IT'S NOT WORKING IN THAT REGARD.
BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY A DISCONNECT HERE ON THE SIDEWALK END OF IT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BOTH YOU AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAVE AS BODIES HAVE MADE IT A PRIORITY TO WANT TO HAVE SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, JUST AS IT KIND OF DEMONSTRATED BY THIS, IS THAT THE CITY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE OR DIDN'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE POLICY DIRECTION PLAN TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY GREW IT ANNEXED LAND THAT WAS DEVELOPED THAT HAD BEEN IN THE COUNTY.
AND YOU GET BASICALLY COUNTY STANDARDS.
AND THAT STANDARD HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, STREETS WITHOUT SIDEWALKS AND WITH BAR DITCHES AND TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS WITH KIBER, WHICH IS A VACANT 16 ACRES THAT'S INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS IN AN AREA THAT HAS NOT SEEN VERY MUCH DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES, I WOULD GUESS YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF SITUATION AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO MOVE FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO BECAUSE THE EXISTING CONDITION IS SUCH THAT IT ISN'T GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN, AS CHRIS SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO BE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND
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DEVELOPING A RECOMMENDATION ON MAKING SOME CHANGES TO IT.BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS IS JUST THE EXISTING CONDITION.
YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AREAS IN THE CITY THAT DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF DITCH ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST NOT ENGINEERINGLY FEASIBLE TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, TO PUT SIDEWALKS INTO PLACE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE APPROACH THE CITY MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IS DEVELOPING A SIDEWALK PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY? AND HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST TO DO IT? AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE OUR PLAN ON A GOING FORWARD YEARLY BASIS TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS IN THESE AREAS AND JUST ACCEPT THE FACT THAT MAYBE NOT EVERY STREET IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS, BUT YOUR MAJOR STREETS COULD HAVE SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO REQUIRE THE CITY DEVELOPING THAT PLAN AND PUTTING THAT FINANCING IN PLACE TO MAKE IT AN ONGOING PROJECT YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S ANSWER, BECAUSE I AGREE ACTUALLY WITH A LOT OF WHAT JOHN SAID ORIGINALLY WAS THAT THIS PROPERTY DOES SEEM TO FIT AS WALTER LAID OUT.
A VARIANCE, DOES NOT SEEM TO FIT A SIDEWALK, BUT I DO HAVE THAT CONCERN ABOUT WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SIDEWALKS AND HOW WE'RE DOING THIS, BECAUSE WALTER PROBABLY CORRECTLY POINTED OUT THAT IT ISN'T AS MANY AS WE THINK IT IS, BUT JUST CERTAINLY FEELS TO ME LIKE WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THESE VARIANCES.
AND SO ANYWAY, UH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH COUNCILMAN, WRIGHT'S, I ECHO A LOT OF HIS THOUGHTS, BUT I DO HAVE THOSE OTHER CONCERNS.
OK, COUNCIL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE ON ITEM NUMBER 18? MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE GRANT THE VARIANCE TO THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT OF CHAPTER 23, SECTION 23, DASH 14A SIDEWALKS FOR THE KIBER RESERVE SUBDIVISION.
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, BUT THIS IS JUST FOR THE DOWNING SIDE.
I HOPE WE ALL FOR ALL OF THEM.
FOR THE DOWNING, ORANGE, AND KIBER.
INTERNAL IS A GO EXTERNAL IS A NO GO.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE: AYE.
MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER 19 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO PURCHASE OR LEASE
[19. Discussion and possible action to purchase or lease a Street Sweeper.]
A STREET SWEEPER.CONFIRMING [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION ON GUIDANCE TO PURCHASE OR LEASE A STREET SWEEPER.
AS EVERYONE KNOWS, BACK IN NOVEMBER, OURS BURNED TO THE GROUND.
THE INSURANCE PAID US ONE HUNDRED THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND.
WE WENT OUT TO SHWARZE AND ELGIN.
AND GOT SOME BIDS TO BUY A NEW ONE, ANYWHERE FROM 270 TO ABOUT THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO WE GOT TOGETHER, MAYBE TALKED ABOUT LEASING ONE.
SO CHRIS GOT WITH ENTERPRISE AND THEY CALLED UP AND GAVE US A COUPLE BIDS ON BOTH BRANDS, ONE'S A SCHWARZE AND ONE'S AN ELGIN.
ME AND ONE OF MY OPERATORS, WE WENT TO HOUSTON, DONE A DEMO ON THE SCHWARZE, DROVE IT.
SCHWARZE DOES NOT HAVE A LEASE PROGRAM.
THEY HAVE [INAUDIBLE] CAPITAL LOAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU PAY PAYMENTS ON IT LIKE THAT, BUT THEN YOU OWN IT AND THEN YOU GOT ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING TO TAKE CARE OF.
BUT DURING THE LEASING, IF WE WENT WITH THE SCHWARZE THROUGH ENTERPRISE, WE WOULD PUT ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED DOWN AND THEN PAY THE TWENTY SEVEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SIX DOLLARS A MONTH.
THEN AT THE END OF OUR LEASE WE WOULD JUST, WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH, TURN IT OVER
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AND GET A NEW ONE AND THEY DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT TO THE SWEEPERS.ON THE ELGIN, LAST YEAR, I THINK I SPENT ALMOST THIRTY THOUSAND ON REPAIRS, I MEAN-- HOW MUCH? ABOUT THIRTY THOUSAND.
THIS IS A VERY HIGH MAINTENANCE VEHICLE, A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES ON IT, BUT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO RUN.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE LEASE PROGRAM THROUGH ENTERPRISE FOR THE SCHWARZE SWEEPER.
IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE STREETS, WE NEED IT BAD.
[LAUGHTER] I KIND OF JOKED WITH CHRIS TODAY ABOUT HOW CAN WE LEASE TWO OF THEM.
UM, PROBABLY GOING TO RENT ONE WHILE THIS ONE'S GETTING BUILT.
THIS ONE'S PROBABLY TWO MONTHS OUT.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY BE RENTING ONE.
I'M JUST I'M VERY SKEPTICAL WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LEASING FROM ENTERPRISE ON A STREET SWEEPER.
WE KNOW HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE ALREADY.
THIRTY THOUSAND AND MAINTENANCE A YEAR, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I PAID LAST YEAR.
AND HOW MUCH OF THAT ARE THEY GOING TO COVER? I MEAN, THERE'S WEAR AND TEAR ON THAT THING THAT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO COVER.
NO, THE BROOMS AND BRAKES AND STUFF WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF.
SO, I THINK HE TOLD ME THEY WOULD DO THE LITTLE CHANGES AND MAJOR REPAIRS ON IT.
I JUST WISH THEY HAD A BREAK DOWN OF THAT 30000, WHAT WE THINK WOULD ACTUALLY BE COVERED AND WHAT WOULDN'T BE.
SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY KNOW ADDED TO THE MONTHLY CHARGE.
AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE UP HERE, THE SCHWARZE, WHERE IT SAYS 2786 A MONTH, THAT'S ABOUT THIRTY THREE THOUSAND A YEAR.
AND THEN ELGIN THREE THOUSAND IS ABOUT THIRTY SIX THOUSAND A YEAR.
AND TOTAL ON THE SCHWARZE IS ABOUT 308 AND ELGIN IS ABOUT 345.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING THAT TO THE SCHWARZE CAPITAL ALONE, IT'S FIFTY EIGHT THOUSAND A YEAR.
SO SAVING'S ABOUT TWENTY THOUSAND.
BUT WE END UP ONLY WITH NO GUARANTEE AT THE END.
BUT HOW LONG DOES A STREET SWEEPER LAST IF IT BURNED TO THE GROUND? SIX TO EIGHT YEARS.
THIS WOULD BE SIXTY MONTH LEASE, AND WE TURN AROUND AND THEY WOULD GIVE US THE VALUE OF THE VEHICLE AT TURN-IN FOR A NEW ONE.
THAT WAY, WE CAN JUST KEEP UPDATING ON THE SWEEPERS.
[INAUDIBLE] I'M ALL FOR IT, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID TO YOU BEFORE, THE MORE THINGS WE CAN PUT UNDER THE ONE UMBRELLA INSTEAD OF HAVING A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT UMBRELLAS.
AND I REALLY LIKE THE MAINTENANCE PIECE WHERE IT TAKES A LOT OF THE HEADACHE AWAY FROM US.
JUST RISK MITIGATION IN THAT ASPECT.
[INAUDIBLE] ON THAT MACHINE, WAS THAT AN ANOMALY OR WAS THAT JUST A ROUTINE 30000 DOLLARS A YEAR? THAT WAS, HOPPER MESSED UP ON IT.
THE UNDERNEATH CARRIAGE AND WE HAD A SMALL FIRE BEFORE THAT.
AND IT COST US SOME OF OUR POCKETS TO REPAIR THAT TOO.
THAT THERE WASN'T A YEARLY 30000.
THAT WAS SOME STUFF YOU HAD TO REALLY DO BIG TIME ON THAT.
BUT IT IS HIGH MAINTENANCE, THE [INAUDIBLE], THE BROOMS, WHICH WE'D BE PAYING FOR THE BROOMS ON THE NEW ONES, BUT WE HAD THE HOPPERS ON THE INSIDE THE COATING HAS COME OFF, THE WATER PUMPS ON THE SPRAY NOZZLES AND ALL OF THIS.
AND JUST THESE ARE A DIFFERENT KIND OF SWEEPER.
[INAUDIBLE], WE RUN A VACUUM SWEEPER THAT COMES UNDERNEATH AND IT SUCKS IT UP TO THE TANK.
THESE HERE ARE THE BACK BROOM LIKE YOU SEE ON TXDOT, AND IT FLICKS IT UP A CONVEYOR BELT AND GOES IN.
SO IT PICKS IT UP A LOT BETTER AND WHEN YOU GET INTO LEAVES AND ALL THAT REAL BIG [INAUDIBLE].
SO THIS IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT UNIT.
SOME OF THEM HAS TWO MOTORS, SOME HAVE ONE MOTOR.
THIS ONE HERE, WE WENT DOWN TO THE ONE MOTOR TO SEE HOW IT WORKED.
THEY RECOMMEND THAT FOR A SMALLER TOWN, MAYBE ON A BIG HIGHWAY OR SOMETHING, THEY RECOMMEND TO DO A MOTORED ONE ON THE BACK, ONE ON THE FRONT.
HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GETTING OURSELVES INTO THE SAME ISSUE WE HAD BEFORE? HAVE YOU REALLY CHECKED OUT THIS SCHWARZE? YES, WE HAVE, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD PROBLEMS WITH CATCHING ON FIRE THEY DON'T HAVE A HISTORY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AND ELGIN SAYS THEY HAVE FIXED THEIR PROBLEM, SO.
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SO, ELGIN'S WHAT WE HAD, RIGHT? I'D LEAVE THAT TO ATTORNEYS, BUT.I CAN'T SAY TOO MUCH ON THAT, THE REASON WHY.
SO IN CASE ONE BURNS DOWN TO THE GROUND AGAIN, ENTERPRISE IS ON THE HOOK FOR IT, AND THEY JUST SEND US A NEW ONE? NO MONEY DOWN, WE'RE NOT BUYING ANOTHER ONE? OK, AND THAT I MEAN IT'S 60 MONTHS, SO.
OK, SO REMEMBER, THE BEAUTY OF THE ENTERPRISE PROGRAM IS ONCE WE REALLY GET ROLLING, WE'RE SELLING ALL THESE VEHICLES, WE'RE BRINGING REVENUE BACK.
SO WE'RE JUST SLICING AWAY FROM THAT REVENUE.
WE'RE GETTING BACK AND PUTTING THIS IN THAT IN THAT PROGRAM.
SO [INAUDIBLE] LEASE WE'RE TAKING IT OUT OF SOME OPERATIONAL BUDGET.
BUT YOU HAVE ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR PICKUP THIS YEAR.
BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR CHECK FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THIRTY THREE THOUSAND PAYMENTS FOR THIS YEAR.
OH, ACTUALLY LESS NOW, RIGHT? PROBABLY SIX MONTHS PAYMENT.
SO YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS THERE.
THEN WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET FOR YEARLY COST SOUNDS LIKE A WATER LINE REPLACEMENT.
CAN YOU STAND ON TOP OF THE STREET SWEEPERS TO FIX SOLAR LIGHTS.
[LAUGHTER] I HAD TO GET MY COMMENT IN THERE FOR YOU.
NEXT TIME WE HAVE A PARADE, WE'LL ENTER IT AS A FLOAT.
[LAUGHTER] YEAH, WE CAN PUT SOLAR LIGHTS AROUND ON IT.
JEFF, THESE DO WELL WITH GUTTERS.
YES, THESE DO STILL HAVE THE ROTATING BROOMS ON THE SIDE TO KICK IT UP IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S MADE PRETTY WELL THE SAME ON THE GUTTER.
I KNOW WE HAVE A FEW AROUND HERE THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH AND YES.
YES, THESE TILT MORE, THESE HERE GOT GAUGES ON IT.
WE KNOW HOW MUCH PRESSURE THE BACK BROOM'S GOT ON IT SO WE DON'T WEAR THE BROOMS OUT SO BAD.
SO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOT A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES.
JUST LISTENING TO Y'ALL'S CONVERSATION.
YOU GOOD DOWN THERE? ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, WHAT'S Y'ALL'S PLEASURE? MR. MAYOR, I MOVE, WE LEASE THE SCHWARZE STREET SWEEPER THROUGH ENTERPRISE IN THE AMOUNTS STATED IN QUOTES.
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY IT, BUT THOSE OF YOU WHO SERVED WITH MAYOR HENRY, HE ALWAYS SAID WHEN HE RETIRED, HE WAS GOING TO RUN THE STREET SWEEPER, VOLUNTARILY DO IT.
[LAUGHTER] SO I'M GOING TO PICK THAT UP, AND WHEN I RETIRE, I WANT TO WORK THE STREET SWEEPER AND I'LL VOLUNTEER AT LEAST HIT A FEW STREETS.
SO, MAYOR HENRY, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, WE'RE JUST REMINISCING OLD TIMES.
ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE:.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, I'M GETTING ONE YEAR CLOSER TO MY RETIREMENT BECAUSE TODAY WAS MY BIRTHDAY, SO I'M NOT FAR FROM IT.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO GAVE ME A BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION PRIOR TO COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT.
THEY SANG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME AND THEY GAVE ME A CUPCAKE.
[INAUDIBLE] YOUR TIRES WHEN YOU GET OUT OF HERE.
[LAUGHTER] I HOPE SO, BECAUSE I GOT TO GET TO WORK.
ITEM NUMBER TWENTY DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON BRAZOSPORT WATER
[20. Discussion and possible action on the Brazosport Water Authority (BWA) Water Supply.]
AUTHORITY, ALSO KNOWN AS BWA WATER SUPPLY.MR. PETERSON, MR. M., WHO IS OUR REP DOWN TO BWA, THE FLOOR IS YOU ALL'S.
SO REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT WATER AND WASTEWATER BACK IN JANUARY, ACTUALLY, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NOVEMBER, BUT EVENTS OVERTOOK US AND WE WERE IN JANUARY AND IT WAS REALLY A WORKSHOP, BUT BASED OFF OF, AGAIN, THE HIGH LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENTS, DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING, AND IN PARTICULAR ONE THAT CAME UP RECENTLY.
I JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM Y'ALL AFTER WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF ANGLETON AND STRATEGICALLY, WHAT DO WE DO WITH WATER? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS.
SO IF WE SAY GO TOMORROW, IT'LL BE YEARS BEFORE THIS HAPPENS.
AND SO WE CAN'T JUST FLIP THE SWITCH AND SAY WE WANT IT NOW WE WANT IT.
IT'S GOT TO BE A DELIBERATE PROCESS.
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SO I'VE GOT MORRIS HERE AND I'VE GOT JOHN KIND OF LEAD DISCUSSION AND MORRIS.HE AND I TALKED AND HE'S HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR A DECISION TONIGHT ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, LET US KNOW WHAT THAT IS SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
BUT I'M LOOKING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD [INAUDIBLE].
ALL RIGHT, AS CHRIS STATED, WE WERE APPROACHED RECENTLY BY A DEVELOPER WHO IS LOOKING TO DEVELOP SOME PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FIVE TWENTY THREE OFF A STATE HIGHWAY 288.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP ABOUT 900 ACRES.
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THEIR OWN MUD WITH THEIR OWN UTILITIES.
THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN TREATMENT PLANT, THEIR OWN WELL, SITE FOR WATER, SANITARY TREATMENT PLANT.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING TO THE RESIDENTS THERE IN THAT AREA.
DURING A DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER STATED THAT HE'S ALREADY CONTACTED BWA.
AND BWA SHOWED SOME INTEREST ABOUT POTENTIALLY SELLING SURFACE WATER TO THEM, WHICH WOULD COME RIGHT PAST ANGLETON.
WHEN ANGLETON TALKED TO BWA PREVIOUSLY, BWA EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN YES, WE'D LIKE TO UPSIZE OUR WATER CAPACITY, THE CURRENT TRANSMISSION MAIN IS AT MAX CAPACITY.
THEY'VE DONE A ROUTE STUDY AND THEY WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THEIR SERVICE DEBT.
HOW MUCH DO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SELL NOT TO AFFECT THE SERVICE DEBT? SERVICE DEBT IS BASICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO PROMISE YOU A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THAT SERVICE DEBT AMOUNT NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER YOU TAKE IT OR NOT.
WELL, TO GET THAT TO WHERE THAT SERVICE DEBT DOESN'T CHANGE TO ANY OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BWA, THEY NEED TO SELL ONE THREE POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
OK, WELL, THIS OPPORTUNITY HAS POPPED UP AND IT'S GOING TO ALLOW THE CITY-- THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY SELL IS NOW? CORRECT, IN ADDITION.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL INFRASTRUCTURE MEETINGS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROJECTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF ANGELTON.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE EIGHTY EIGHT HUNDRED CONNECTIONS APPROXIMATELY IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON WATER CONNECTIONS WITH ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW ARE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUR.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY TWENTY TWO HUNDRED, A LITTLE OVER TWENTY TWO HUNDRED MORE CONNECTIONS COMING IN.
SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH GOING TO INCREASE THE CONNECTION COUNT IN THE CITY, ABOUT TWENTY FIVE PERCENT.
SO IT'S A MAJOR GO, HOWEVER, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE CITY'S BEEN PROACTIVE IN WORKING FORWARD WITH THE GLO GRANTS ON THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK.
YOU'RE ALSO BEEN WORKING ON GETTING THE FREEDOM PARK WATER SYSTEM UP ON TRACK AND IN SERVICE.
WITH THAT, BASICALLY, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL RIGHT ABOUT NINE HUNDRED, A LITTLE OVER NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX REMAINING CONNECTIONS AFTER WE SERVE EVERYBODY REMAINING.
SO WE NEED TO START PLANNING NOW ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
THE LIMITING FACTOR IS BOOSTER PUMPS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO UPSIZE THE CHENANGO OR REDUCE CHENANGO.
THAT WOULD BE ONE THING WE DO IS UPSIDE THE BOOSTER PUMPS THERE IN THAT AREA, MORE CONNECTION.
BUT WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH WATER SUPPLY AND WITH THE PROJECTED GROWTH WE'VE PROJECTED IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THE CITY OF ANGLETON WOULD NEED ABOUT SEVEN POINT TWO MGD/DAY.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT ONE POINT EIGHT.
AND THE SEVEN POINT TWO'S BASED OFF OF ALL THOSE NEW HOUSES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, THE NEW CONNECTIONS.
YES, EVERYTHING AND ALL OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE'VE JUST CONVERSED WITH.
THINGS LIKE MUD SEVENTY-EIGHT, MUD THIRTEEN, SEVENTY EIGHT, SEVENTY SIX PHILLIPS MANUFACTURER THINGS.
SO WE'RE GOING OFF THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION AT THIS TIME THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE WALKING IN DAILY.
YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE TIGNER TRACK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO I MEAN, YOU'RE HAVING A LOT OF DEVELOPERS SHOW UP.
THAT WAS THE BEST PROJECTIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE.
AND THOSE ARE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE REQUESTING CITY UTILITIES, WATER? THEY ARE COMING IN AND INQUIRING ABOUT IT.
THESE GUYS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE KICKING THE TIRES.
RIGHT, BUT NOT LIKE THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT THAT STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IN THEIR OWN SYSTEMS AND ALL THAT.
AND THAT'S THIS, BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE A MUD, YOU DON'T
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HAVE TO SERVICE THEM.YOU CAN LET THEM BE JUST LIKE THAT MUD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY CAN DRILL THEIR OWN WELL, THEY CAN PROVIDE THEIR OWN LITTLE PACKAGE PLAN.
THE ONLY THING WITH THAT IS THE ONLY NEGATIVE TO THAT IS EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO PAY OFF THE DEBT AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY.
AND AT THAT TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO TURN OVER A PLANT THAT WASN'T MEANT TO BE A 50, 60 YEAR PLANT.
SO IF YOU COULD WORK WITH THEM TO HELP YOU BUILD A PLANT THAT'S GOING TO LAST AND GROW WITH THE CITY, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE FOR THIS CONVERSATION TODAY.
BUT I'D BE GLAD TO TALK WITH EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT LATER.
BUT THIS ITEM IS RELATED TO NUMBER TWENTY FIVE ON THE AGENDA.
WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO AND APPROVE THAT, THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE KIND OF PUSHING THIS FORWARD.
WHAT STAFF IS ASKING IS FOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO START COORDINATING WITH BWA AND POTENTIAL, THIS DEVELOPER.
IF WE COULD WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE DEVELOPER NEEDS FOR PHASE ONE, SAVE ONE MGD/DAY, THEY COULD TAKE THAT ONE MGD/DAY AND LEAVE THE CITY WITH THE REMAINING TWO POINT FIVE OR WHATEVER RATIO THAT IS TO HELP PAY FOR THE COST OF THE EXTENSION OF THE ADDITIONAL TRANSMISSION MAIN TO GET WATER DOWN TO THIS AREA.
NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE TIME IT'S GOING TO FOR BWA.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A ROUTE ANALYSIS AND THEY LAID A ROUTE OUT.
BUT TO DO THE ENGINEERING, TO DO THE BIDDING, TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION IS TWENTY FOUR TO THREE MONTHS OUT AFTER WE SAY, YES, WE AGREE AND GO FORWARD.
SO THAT'S WHY IS BRINGING THIS BACK UP BECAUSE EVEN IF WE MAKE A DECISION, WE WANT TO ENTER IN X AMOUNT, WHICH WE'RE NOT IN THAT PLACE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH CONVERSATIONS.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE ALMOST THREE YEARS OUT BEFORE YOU CAN GET WATER TO YOUR CITY SYSTEMS. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER.
AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WERE DOING THIS STUDY, BWA HAD COMMISSIONED THE ENGINEERING FIRM TO DO A STUDY FOR BRAZORIA COUNTY, OUR PREVIOUS WATER USE STUDY FOR THE BASICALLY CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN END OF BRAZORIA COUNTY.
THE POPULATION ESTIMATES WERE INCREASED, ESTIMATES WERE RATHER LOW.
SO WE COMMISSIONED A NEW STUDY.
I WITNESSED THE PRESENTATION ON LAST TUESDAY NIGHT.
I RECEIVED A COPY OF THE STUDY LATER IN THE WEEK.
I DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS, BUT A FEW KEY POINTS IN THE STUDY WERE THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT GROUNDWATER STATUS INBRAZORIA COUNTY, BASICALLY IT'S AT CAPACITY.
WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE PEOPLE PUNCHING HOLES IN THE GROUND AND PUMPING WATER BECAUSE SUBSIDENCE WILL BECOME AN ISSUE.
IF YOU LOOK AT FORT BEND COUNTY, HARRIS COUNTY, GALVESTON COUNTY, THEY'RE ALL BEING FORCED OFF GROUNDWATER.
AND IF THE FORECASTED GROWTH FOR BRAZORIA COUNTY IS TRUE, I SEE A SUBSIDENCE AUTHORITY IN BRAZORIA COUNTY IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE LEAST EXPENSIVE WAY TO GET POTABLE, QUALITY DRINKING WATER IS TO PUMP IT UP OUT OF THE GROUND.
BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO PUMP IT, EVENTUALLY THE LAND SUBSIDES AND WE'LL ALSO GET THE SALINITY WILL INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE NO LONGER BEING RECHARGED FROM THE AQUIFER'S, NOT BEING RECHARGED FROM THE NORTH.
YOU KNOW, BWA HAS A BRACKISH GROUNDWATER PROJECT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE OPERATIONAL ISSUES IN THAT TWO YEAR TIME FRAME, THAT'LL GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL SIX MILLION GALLONS PER DAY CAPACITY ON TOP OF WE DO HAVE EXCESS SURFACE WATER TREATMENT CAPACITY.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE RUNNING FIFTEEN POINT THREE MILLION GALLONS, WE'RE CONTRACTED FOR
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FIFTEEN POINT THREE MILLION GALLONS A DAY.WE CAN RUN UP TO SEVENTEEN POINT NINE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LIMITATION THERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE LIMIT OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE] HAS CONTRACTED TO SUPPLY [INAUDIBLE] WATER, YOU KNOW, IS AT THAT PUMPING RATE.
AND SO WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL WATER RIGHTS TO THE BRAZOS RIVER, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF THE RIVER STORE IT AND THEN FEED YOUR PROCESSING OR YOUR CLARIFIER WITH IT.
BUT THE OTHER THING VBA IS LOOKING AT IS THERE IS A POTENTIAL PARTNER IN SEA WATER DESALINIZATION.
YOU KNOW, BRACKISH WATER DESALINIZATION IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN SURFACE WATER TREATMENT.
THE REVERSE OSMOSIS FILTERS RUN AT ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY PSIG WHERE IF YOU GO SEA WATER DESALINIZATION, YOU'RE LOOKING AT EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND PSIG.
SO THE ENERGY COST GOES UP, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HIGHER SALINITY.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BWA, WE TAKE CARE OF OUR SEVEN FOUNDING CITIES AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED CONFIRMATION, AND, YOU KNOW, CHRIS IS WORKING WITH OUR MANAGER TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES NECESSARY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THE STUDY, I WILL BREAK IT DOWN.
I LIKE PUT THINGS INTO EXCEL WHERE I CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE NUMBERS AND THE PIPELINE THAT WOULD NEED TO RUN FROM BWA NORTH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ROOTS THERE.
IT'S JUST DETERMINING THE SIZE OF THE LINE AND THERE ARE OTHER POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS FARTHER NORTH.
BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LINE WE HAVE GOING TO ROSENBERG, POTENTIALLY, WE COULD SELL ADDITIONAL WATER FURTHER NORTH.
BUT WE NEED TO RESERVE SOME CAPACITY FOR THE CITY'S FUTURE LONG TERM, MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THAT [INAUDIBLE].
YOU KNOW, I'LL BE VERY HONEST.
YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH ANYBODY FROM BWA AS WELL.
BUT I HAVE, FOR ONE, HAVE LOST A LOT OF FAITH IN BWA, I'VE ACTUALLY SAID THE CITY NEEDS TO DRILL ITS OWN WELL BECAUSE WE CAN'T RELY ON BWA ANYMORE.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
ONE, THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AT BWA PLANT.
IS THAT BEING DEFERRED OR THEY ACTUALLY REPLACING? BECAUSE DURING THE FREEZE, I HEAR THAT THE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE GENERATORS WASN'T DONE PROPERLY.
AND THAT'S WHY THE GENERATORS WENT DOWN.
YOU HAD A CURRENT TRANSDUCER FAIL ON ONE PHASE OF THE GENERATOR.
I'VE DONE [INAUDIBLE] WORK SINCE THE 70S.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN [INAUDIBLE].
ARE THERE SOME UPGRADES THAT CAN BE MADE TO THAT GENERATOR? YES.
OK, BECAUSE THIS IS COMING FROM PEOPLE THAT WORKED OUT THERE AND TOLD ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T THINK THERE'S VERY LITTLE MAINTENANCE BEING DONE ON THE FACILITY ITSELF.
I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE YOU ON A TOUR OF THE FACILITY.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THERE.
I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE YOU THAT WE I CAN SHOW YOU THAT THAT'S NOT A TRUE STATEMENT.
OK, I'D LIKE TO TAKE YOU UP ON THAT.
SO IF YOU CAN ARRANGE IT, LET ME KNOW.
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I WILL.IF ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COUNCIL ABLE TO GO TOO? ANYBODY WANTS TO JOIN IN.
SOUNDS LIKE A FIELD TRIP IN THE NEW BUS.
BUT THE OTHER REASON IS THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION FROM BWA ON REALLY.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST STATED ABOUT THE SURFACE GROUNDWATER IS VERY LIMITED, BUT WE SENT ALL THAT WATER TO ROSENBERG.
CITY OF ANGLETON APPROVED THAT SALE OF WATER [INAUDIBLE].
HINDSIGHT'S 20/20, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THEY I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME UNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT MEANT TO US.
BUT HERE WE ARE AND YOU'RE LIMITED ON THE WATER.
AND I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS THAT BWA SHOULD NOT BE TRYING TO SEND MORE WATER ANYWHERE ELSE IF IT'S ALREADY AT CAPACITY, UNLESS YOUR [INAUDIBLE] PLANT IS UP AND RUNNING, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE A MINUTE AGO YOU SAID YOU DON'T WANT THE, BWA DOESN'T WANT TO USE THE [INAUDIBLE].
[INAUDIBLE] HOW, IS IT ONLINE? NO THE WELLS ARE DRILLED.
WE'RE WAITING ON THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PILOT PLANT TO.
THAT WILL BE USED TO PROVE THE MEMBRANES FOR REVERSE OSMOSIS OR FOR [INAUDIBLE] WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
OK, AND WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT? I MEAN, WHEN DO WE I MEAN, HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN A PROCESS? CAN YOU STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE OPERATIONAL WITHIN TWENTY FOUR MONTHS.
NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING HAVING SPENT MY WORKING CAREER IN THE CHEMICAL INDUSTRY, I'M USED TO DOING CAPITAL PROJECTS MUCH FASTER.
AND I'M HAVING TO ADJUST TO THE WAY MUNICIPAL PROJECTS FUNCTION, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT.
AND WE'VE HAD MAJOR SETBACKS THAT FROM TEXAS, OR EXCUSE ME, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, POTENTIAL WETLAND ISSUES.
YEAH, THAT DELAYED A LOT OF IT.
NOW IT'S JUST RUN THE PILOT PLANT, PROVE THE CORRECT MEMBRANE HAS BEEN SELECTED AND THEN INSTALLED.
ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW? PROBABLY.
AND THAT WE STARTED THAT WHAT FIVE YEARS AGO? SIX YEARS AGO? I'LL COME BACK WITH THE ACTUAL DATE AND THE CAPACITY.
ALL OF THAT'S IN THE STUDY THAT WAS JUST PUBLISHED AND IT'S GONE TO THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD SO IT IS PUBLIC RECORD NOW.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A VERY BIG LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN BWA AND THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
IF THERE IS COMMUNICATION AND IT'S NOT GETTING TO THE COUNCIL, FOR THE MOST PART, WE DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHY IS BWA ENTERTAINING OFFERS FROM [INAUDIBLE] TO PROVIDE WATER? THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE MEMBER CITIES BEING INFORMED FIRST? IT'S A DISCUSSION.
GOING FORWARD ON THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN WITHOUT THE CITY'S APPROVAL.
WENT TO, ROSENBERG APPROACHED THEM AND BWA'S NOT APPROACHING THESE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
THE CUSTOMERS ARE APPROACHING BWA.
BUT IS BWA ENTERTAINING THOSE FROM THOSE STANDPOINTS? YES.
I MEAN, THE YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THE MORE WATER WE SELL, THE LOWER THE PRICE.
BUT IT DOESN'T LOWER THE PRICE TO THE MEMBER CITIES.
SO THE CONTRACTS DON'T GET REWRITTEN FOR A LOWER PRICE.
YOUR PRICE, YOUR PRICE IS RESET EVERY YEAR.
YOU GET A NEW CONTRACT EVERY YEAR.
I THOUGHT WE'RE IN A CONTRACT FOR 25 YEARS WITH BWA.
THE PRICE IS NEGOTIABLE EVERY YEAR? YES.
HAS IT GONE DOWN? YEAH IT WENT.
SUSIE, WENT DOWN TWO CENTS LAST YEAR.
BECAUSE NORMALLY I'M USED TO SEEING BWA GIVE US 10 PERCENT INCREASES.
CAN I SEE THAT? THANK YOU, SUSIE.
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I HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA WHAT THE PRICE WAS IN 2014 WHEN THEY AGREED TO SELL WATER TO ROSENBERG, BUT I AM WORKING ON TRYING TO COLLECT THOSE RECORDS ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.AND I NEED HELP FROM OUR CITY SECRETARY FOR THAT.
I'M NOT BEATING UP ON YOU, YOU'RE OUR REP.
I MEAN, YES, IT WENT DOWN TWO CENTS AND THAT'S THE FIRST TIME IT'S EVER GONE DOWN.
IT WAS THREE DOLLARS AND TWENTY EIGHT CENTS.
IT'S JUST CONSTANTLY GOING UP, UP, UP, UP, UP, UP.
WE HAVEN'T, Y'ALL HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM BWA.
SO, I MEAN I REALLY DO HAVE ISSUES WITH BWA AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME OUT SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, START COMMUNICATING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I FEEL LIKE THE CITY OF ANGLETON'S ALWAYS IN LEFT FIELD NOT KNOWING WHAT BWA IS DOING.
THEY DO SEND US REPORTS AND I CAN SCAN IT AND EMAIL IT OUT TO Y'ALL.
I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE THE AMEBA SCARE WHERE, YOU KNOW, HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT THAT IS WE DID.
THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON THE THING.
I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH BWA.
AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT ON THIS IS, UNTIL TONIGHT, I HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS A MUD CALLED VENTANA OUT THERE.
AND I DON'T LIKE SAYING, YES, I'M GOING TO DO A BUSINESS DEAL WITH SOMEBODY UNLESS I KNOW HIM AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TO DO A BUSINESS DEAL WITH THEM.
WE'RE JUST USING THAT AS A REPRESENTATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POSSIBLE JOINT VENTURE THAT WE COULD EXPLORE WITH THEM.
BUT IT'S ALSO, AGAIN, ABOUT THE GREATER ISSUE OF THE FUTURE OF DEVELOPMENT IN ANGLETON AND FUTURE WATER.
I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THAT GOES, IF WE, IS THIS AN ALL OR NOTHING GAME HERE? WHERE IF THIS POTENTIAL JOINT DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS YOUR MOUTH, IS IT SOMETHING THAT.
WE'VE THIS MUD IS NOW, IT'S OUT THERE? I MEAN.
WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT TO TALK ABOUT THE MUD.
I KNOW, BUT YOU SAID THIS GOES PIGGYBACKS WITH TWENTY FIVE AND.
YOU KNOW, KIND OF EFFECTS HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW? AND SO THIS IS.
IS THIS PERCEIVED BY THE CITY AS AN ARM OR A MECHANISM TO GET US BACK WITH BWA TO BRING MORE WATER, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SO BY ONLY CREATING A MUD? I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] NO.
SO LET ME I GUESS THAT'S MY FAULT.
SO BACK IN THE DISCUSSION WE HAD IN JANUARY, I THINK THE.
AFFORDABLE AND FEASIBLE TO GET THE PIPELINE UP HERE TO ANGLETON, WE'D HAVE TO BUY THREE POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
BUT OUR CONSUMPTION RIGHT NOW IS FAR LESS THAN THAT, AND SO WE END UP PURCHASING WHETHER WE USE IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OVER OUR REQUIREMENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TOPICS OF DISCUSSION WAS CAN WE SELL WATER TO OTHER CITIES? AND, YOU KNOW, SO LAKE JACKSON, NO, THEY'RE NOT GROWING.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S OTHER CITIES OUT THERE.
THEY CAN BUY THE WATER FROM US AND SO THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT ENTIRE AMOUNT.
AND SO THIS IS JUST A I GUESS IT'S WE'RE NOT ASKING TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH THIS POTENTIAL MUD, BUT IT'S A IT'S A, I GUESS, GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP THAT WOULD MITIGATE THE WATER THAT WE HAVE TO BUY AND NOT BE ABLE TO USE.
BUT AGAIN, IT GETS IT GETS BACK AT THE BROADER DISCUSSION OF WHAT DO WE WANT FOR THE FUTURE OF ANGLETON? IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE NUMBER OF HOUSES WE HAVE, AT A CERTAIN POINT, WE'RE GOING TO START TELLING DEVELOPMENTS, HEY, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR YOUR WATER BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROVIDE OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THAT WATER.
AND SO, AS JOHN'S KIND OF ARTICULATED, IT'S THAT FUZZY LINE IN THE SAND AS WE HIT
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THOSE MAGICAL NUMBERS OF AGREEING WITH DEVELOPERS, WE'RE GOING HAVE TO START SAYING NO, LIKE WE THINK WE'VE GOT ALL THE WATER TAKEN UP AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY ANYMORE.SAME THING WITH WE'LL HAVE YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH SEWER.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOT JUST FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS, BUT FOR THE FUTURE AND THE CURRENT.
IN THE SEWER, MUCH LOWER AVAILABLE? SO IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, YES, DUE TO JUST THE TRANSPORTATION, THE TRANSMISSION OF IT FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, THE [INAUDIBLE] PLANT DOES HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CAPACITY OVER THERE, BUT NOT TO THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE TO START LOOKING 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TRAVIS, ON THAT, THIS IS THIS IS JUST A BASICALLY A THING THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT AT A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP FOR COST SAVING MEASURES TO HAVE, JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH WITH ROADS AND BEEN DOING WITH WATERLINES, IS PARTNERING WITH THESE DEVELOPERS TO WHERE THE CITY PROPER DOESN'T HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL ON A LOT OF THE STUFF.
THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WITH DEVELOPERS TO HELP FUND SOME OF THIS STUFF.
IT'S NOT WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO AN AGREEMENT.
IT'S JUST WE WANT TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AND SEE HOW MUCH DOES THIS GUY REALLY IS.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS WITH BWA TO GET THIS THING ROLLING.
IT'S TO GO AND KIND OF OUTLINE AND COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, HERE'S THE REALITY OF IT.
YOU KNOW, THE MUD MAY COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, I'M NOT GOING TO DEVELOP [INAUDIBLE] GET TO DEVELOP 40 FOOT LOTS AND THEN DISAPPEARS IF YOU DON'T AGREE TO IT.
SO IT'S JUST A WAY OF GOING AND STARTING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO POTENTIALLY PROVIDE A COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON FOR ITS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS.
SO WE SENT THEM A LETTER AGAIN THAT Y'ALL APPROVED US TO SEND IN SAYING THIS IS OUR FUTURE NEEDS REQUIREMENT.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO FORMALLY ASK FOR THAT AND THEN BWA WOULD GO BACK TO THEIR BOARD AND AGREE AND ALL THAT.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STEP WE'RE AT, WHETHER WE WANT TO GO THERE OR NOT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.
SO, AGAIN, IT'S BROADER THAN THIS.
YOU KNOW, THIS MUD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERALL SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE FUTURE.
SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW, PERKED MY EARS A LITTLE BIT.
[INAUDIBLE] MAYBE IT WAS JOHN.
I DIDN'T MARK WHO IT WAS BUT, RESERVE SOME CAPACITY AS IF THERE IS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR ELSE THAT WE LOSE OUT ON THIS? IS THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, WE KIND OF FEEL A LITTLE HEAVY HANDED, I GUESS.
WELL, WE WILL NOT ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER COMMUNITY WITHOUT COMING BEFORE THE MEMBER CITIES, LIKE WAS DONE WITH ROSENBERG.
OK, SO YOU WOULD AT LEAST GIVE US ALMOST A FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL BEFORE YOU MOVED ON TO ANOTHER CITY? YES.
IF THE SEVEN ORIGINAL CITIES OR MEMBER CITIES, YEAH, THEY HAVE FIRST CHOICE.
[INAUDIBLE] YEAH, I WAS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH BWA WHEN THE ROSENBERG DEAL WAS MADE.
I DID NOT JOIN UNTIL THE SPRING OF 2017, SO.
I HAVE I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE OTHER THAN I READ THEIR AGREEMENT, THE COUNCIL AGREED WHAT THEY AGREED TO.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE PRESENTATIONS.
BUT ANYWAY, ANY EXPANSION OF OUR SERVICE AREA WOULD COME BEFORE THE CITIES.
SO THIS IS THE PART THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF HAVE THE CRYSTAL BALL, SO TO SPEAK, WE HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE BASED ON KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE MAY END UP GOING.
AND I AT LEAST APPRECIATE THAT DEVELOPERS WANT TO COME AND MAYBE DO SOME SHARE COST, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE TO BRING THAT PIPELINE ALL THE WAY UP IN ANGLETON.
AND SO IF WE CAN PARTNER, IF YOU WILL, THEN THAT HELPS US TAKE SOME OF THAT BURDEN OFF THE CITIZEN WHO IS HERE, YOU KNOW, SO BUT YOU KNOW THAT LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT US LONG TERM? SO.
THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME GIVE AND TAKE ON IT.
AND THIS IS WHERE [INAUDIBLE] WERE AS A CITY.
WE HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME TEETH AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS,
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WHETHER IT'S THIS ONE OR SOMEBODY ELSE.WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED WATER IN THE FUTURE AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO SNAP, GET ON IT BEFORE SOMEBODY ELSE DOES.
AND THEN, LIKE JOHN SAYS, WE, DO WE BUILD MORE WELLS? WE KNOW THAT'S EXPENSIVE.
AND DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE, WELL, CAPACITY JOHN IN ANGLETON? HERE'S THE THING.
LIKE THE PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN SAID, IS BRAZORIA COUNTY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT.
HARRIS COUNTY DUE TO POPULATION DOES.
FORT BEND COUNTY DUE TO POPULATION DOES.
GALVESTON COUNTY DUE TO POPULATION TO MAN ON THE WATER SYSTEM DOES.
BRAZORIA COUNTY IS GROWING SO FAST THAT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THAT SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA.
WHEN THAT OCCURS, THEY ARE GOING TO LIMIT WHAT YOU CAN PUMP.
JOHN, YOU'RE CORRECT RIGHT NOW AS WE SIT TODAY PRODUCE WATER OUT OF A WELL.
EXACTLY, WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME.
IF WE DEPEND ON YOUR WELL WATER AND YOU KNOW THAT SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT IS COMING, IT'S GOT TO BE COMING JUST BY THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN ANGLETON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO A LOT OF TIMES OVER THE SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO GO 80, 20, 80 PERCENT, SURFACE WATER, 20 PERCENT WELL WATER.
ANGLETON HAS BEEN AHEAD OF THE CURVE SINCE 1980 BY JOINING WITH BWA AND HAVING THAT IN PLACE.
THOSE DAYS ARE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER AND CLOSER NOW.
SO WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YES, WE CAN GO DRILL ANOTHER HOLE AND DO ANOTHER WELL.
AND YES, THAT'S THE CHEAPEST WAY TO PRODUCE YOUR WATER.
BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO YOU IN THE NEXT 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IF IT'S SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT COMES BECOMES DEVELOPED.
SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY WOULD TAKE OUR WELLS OFFLINE? THEY WOULD.
BRINGING BRACKISH WATER OR SALINITY WILL BE INCREASED INTO IT, AND YOU'RE BASICALLY NOT [INAUDIBLE].
MAYBE THE QUESTION IS, IF I'VE GOT A THOUSAND GPM WELL THAT'S OPERATING AND I BECOME A PART OF THE SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT.
WILL THEY THEN TELL ME NO YOU ONLY CAN PUMP SEVEN FIFTY A DAY? WILL THEY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT YOU COULD EXTRACT OUT OF THE GROUND FROM EXISTING WELLS? YES.
SO I'VE GOT A MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, I'LL GET SOME.
JUST LIKE GUIDANCE OR YOU'RE NOT TRYING [INAUDIBLE]? NO, I'M JUST SAYING I MEAN, WE'RE WE YOU KNOW, WE'RE AGAIN, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, WHAT YOU KNOW.
SO IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DRILL A WELL, DO WE HAVE THE SPACING? DO WE HAVE THE PROPERTY? IS IT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ANSWER ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, LAY THE CITY FOOTPRINT THAT WE NEED TO ACQUIRE MORE PROPERTY SO WE COULD DIG, YOU KNOW, PROPER SPACE WELLS THAT DON'T AFFECT EACH OTHER.
I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS, SO THIS IS I ASSUME MAYBE [INAUDIBLE] QUESTION [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS THEY WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE.
WELL, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PERMIT, OK, WHERE YOU DRILL A WELL AND ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE YOUR PUMPING.
THEY CAN JUST CREATE THEMSELVES? BUT FOR THE CITY OF ROSENBERG, IT WAS ACTUALLY TCEQ I BELIEVE THAT FORCED THEM TO EITHER GO TO SURFACE WATER AND IT'S A PERCENTAGE.
THEY HAD A DEADLINE THEY HAD TO MEET, AND IF NOT, THEY WOULD BE FINANCIALLY PENALIZED FOR EVERY DAY THEY WERE OPERATING IN EXCESS OF THEIR ALLOWANCE FOR GROUNDWATER.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER GET THERE, NOT WITH BWA STILL AS A PART OF BWA.
AS LONG AS BWA HAS THE ABILITY TO GET WATER OUT OF THE BRAZOS RIVER.
YEAH, AS LONG AS [INAUDIBLE] EXPANDS THE RESERVOIR AND WE CAN THEY CONTINUE TO SUPPLY US WITH WATER, THEN, YES, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE WATER ISSUES BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RESOURCE.
NOW, ROSENBERG CAME WITH THEIR OWN WATER RIGHTS TO THE BRAZOS RIVER.
AND, YOU KNOW, BWA HAS WATER RIGHTS FOR I THINK IT'S FORTY SEVEN OR FORTY FIVE
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THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY.BUT I'LL GET YOU THE [INAUDIBLE] ITS ALL IN THE STUDY AND.
OK, HEY MORRIS, I WOULD LIKE AND I'M JUST ONE PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, MORE REGULAR CHECK INS TO THE COUNCIL OF WHAT BWA IS DOING AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
YES, I'VE BEEN NEGLIGENT IN THAT.
AND BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT, I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OLD PRESENTATIONS.
AND, YES, I NEEDED TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION WITH THE COUNCIL.
AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
JUST LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I SERVE AT YOUR DISCRETION AND YOU CAN FIRE ME AT ANY TIME.
WAIT MORRIS, I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO ECHO LIKE JOHN AND MAYBE GET WITH CHRIS, I WOULD LIKE BECAUSE IT'S BECOMING A ISSUE.
SOME FREQUENT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE BI MONTHLY OR WHATEVER QUARTERLY.
AND THEN IF ANY PROJECTS ARE COMING ONLINE, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN IF IT NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN A QUARTERLY MEETING, YOU KNOW LET'S GET THOSE BEFORE US, JUST SO WE KIND OF HAVE, YOU KNOW, HEADS UP ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL.
I JUST WANT TO LIKE MOST THINGS, COMMUNICATION IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IF WE CAN STAY IN COMMUNICATION WHEN EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
YEAH, FORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT ELECTED.
ALL I HAVE TO ANSWER TO Y'ALL.
OK, SO WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US, JOHN? CHRIS? YOU KNOW, IF YOU I WOULD LOVE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH BWA FOR FUTURE WATER SUPPLY TO ANGLETON.
YEAH, MY ONE CONCERN, MAYBE ANOTHER MAYBE SOME MORE CONFUSION.
SO IF WE ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT, BUT THERE'S POTENTIALLY A MUD OUT THERE AS A PARTNER.
WHICH WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL EVER HAPPEN, MANIFESTS ITSELF.
WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK FOR THE COSTS OF WATER THAT WE'RE NOT USING? IT SEEMS ROUGH AND THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
AND YOU'RE PUTTING EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY ON THE HOOK FOR ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS MOMENT.
AND THAT'S MY THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN RIGHT NOW, IS I GET THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE THE WELL OPTION TO SEE HOW MUCH MORE THAT GETS US THERE AND THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF IT BEFORE WE SADDLE EVERY RESIDENT IN THE CITY FOR THE DEMANDS OF ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO GET WATER TO POTENTIAL MORE DEVELOPMENTS.
I THINK THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND AGAIN, WE AS WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY BEFORE, THERE'S ALWAYS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A MUD, YOU PROVIDE YOUR OWN SERVICES.
PACKAGE PLAN, YOUR WELL WATER.
AND THEN THEY PROVIDED, THEY'LL FURNISH THEIR OWN.
IS THIS MUD? IS IT CONSIDERED IN OUR ETJ? I MEAN.
AND IT WAS IT WAS JUST A THING TO KIND OF KEEP THIS BALL ROLLING [INAUDIBLE].
I LIKE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
I MEAN CLEARLY Y'ALL ARE PUTTING YOUR HEADS TOGETHER, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
YOU BRINGING MORRIS OVER HERE.
I JUST HAVE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, JUST THIS AT THIS POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE.
THEY CHECK THE CASH THAT WE'RE NOT READY TO RUSH, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE NEED TO DO SOME PRETTY QUICK.
I DON'T THINK THEY MENTIONED IT RIGHT NOW.
LIKE THEY SAID, WE GET ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION A DAY FROM THEM, BUT WE ARE USING ALREADY TWO POINT THREE OF THAT.
SO SOME OF THIS WE ARE MAKING UP WITH THE WELL WATER [INAUDIBLE].
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE START GETTING MORE DEVELOPERS IN HERE, I'LL HAVE TO PULL ANOTHER WELL ONLINE AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOME COST TO THAT TO PUT IT ON [INAUDIBLE] SYSTEM, AUTOMATIC AND ON LEVELS AND SUCH.
SO HOW FAR AWAY ARE WE ON FREEDOM PARK WELL? RIGHT.
GUYS, I THINK WE'VE GOT EMAIL TODAY [INAUDIBLE] WE FIXING TO GO OUT AND BE IN ON THAT.
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[INAUDIBLE] SIX MONTH PROJECT.BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASED COSTS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ONE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND EVERY [INAUDIBLE], EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS ON THE REPLACE THE FILL, THE MEDIA.
SO WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO DO A RATE INCREASE TO COVER THAT COST.
AND FREEDOM PARK IS ALREADY COVERED AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE INCLUDED IN THOSE NUMBERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT WHEN I SAID WE HAD NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX REMAINING ONCE WE DID THESE FUTURE.
THAT'S INCLUDING FREEDOM PARK BEING BROUGHT ONLINE.
BUT THAT INCLUDES THE NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX REMAINING CONNECTIONS? YES.
BUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ONE POINT EIGHT? NO, THE ONE THE ONE POINT EIGHT IS ALREADY EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING.
WHAT DOES IT GET US TO WHEN WE ADD FREEDOM PARK? WHEN WE HAD FREEDOM PARK.
OUR WATER WELL CAPACITY GOES UP ANOTHER THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE.
SO ANOTHER SO FORTY NINE SEVENTY IS WHAT THE TOTAL.
OF REMAINING, I'M SORRY, REMAINING.
I HAVE TO GET THAT, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE TELL US ONE POINT EIGHT, JESS TELLING US WE'RE USING TWO POINT THREE.
WHERE DOES FREEDOM? DOES FREEDOM HELP US BRIDGE THAT GAP A LITTLE TO KNOW, TO AT LEAST BUY US TIME? YES, YES, YES, YES.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T GET US TO I DON'T KNOW WHEN ONE IS GREEN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GO IN THOSE WEEDS, BUT.
WELL, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, JEFF, SORRY, I GOT TO ASK THIS QUESTION SERIOUSLY.
SO IF WE HAVE TWO POINT THREE RIGHT NOW AND WE CAN INCREASE CAPACITY WITH THE FREEDOM PARK GOING ONLINE, THE 80-20 RULE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED A WHILE AGO ABOUT NOT GETTING PENALIZED BY TCQ, ARE WE STILL UP IN THAT? WE'D BE CLOSE, BUT PROBABLY NOT.
AND AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THEY RAMP IT UP.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, HEY, BY THIS TIME, YOU NEED TO CUT YOUR YOUR WATER PUMPING X AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, BY THIS TIME X AMOUNT.
JUST KEEPS GROWING UNTIL IT GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT, AGREED AMOUNT.
YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT IF FREEDOM PARK COMES ONLINE AND THEN WE WERE TO GET ANOTHER WELL, THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT? FREEDOM PARK COME ON.
YEAH, IT'S A THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE, BUT WE PROBABLY CAN'T PUMP THAT OUT BUT THAT'S YEAH LIKE DON SAID, THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED.
WE SHOULD HAVE THAT WELL LEASED ONLINE HERE.
PROBABLY SIX, SEVEN MONTHS OUT [INAUDIBLE].
AND I'VE INCLUDED ALL THOSE NUMBERS IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MANUAL THAT WERE PASSED OUT.
A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE INCLUDED IN THERE.
HEY, MORRIS, DOES THAT [INAUDIBLE] PLANT IN TWO YEARS COMING ONLINE, DOES THAT GIVE YOU MORE CAPACITY TO SHARE WITH OTHER PEOPLE? YES, SIX MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
AND THEN THE SECOND PHASE OF IT WILL GIVE US ANOTHER SIX MILLION.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE TO RESERVE OUR PORTION OF THE SIX MILLION SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA [INAUDIBLE].
WE NEED TO KNOW TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR WHAT THE CITY EXPECTS TO USE.
IS? THE AREA OF THIS PROPOSED JOINT VENTURE, HOW MANY WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING TO ADD, HOW MANY? WHAT IS IT AT? AS I STATED, [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, AS WE SIT TODAY, WE HAVE EIGHT HUNDRED EIGHT EIGHTY EIGHT HUNDRED CONNECTIONS IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN FOR A TOTAL ADDITIONAL TWENTY TWO SIXTY FOUR.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE OVER A QUARTER.
NOW, WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY ANOTHER FIVE DEVELOPERS, NOT SAYING THEY'RE COMING, BUT THEY'RE KICKING THE TIRES HERE IN THE CITY OF ANOTHER TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED IF THEY'VE SHOWN INTEREST IN COMING IN.
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TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED CONNECTIONS? YES.AND NONE OF THAT COUNTS, THE ONE YOU JUST HEARD TONIGHT.
SOME OTHER PEOPLE SHOW UP, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE KICKING TIRES.
AND I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE NINE, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE], YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF.
I MEAN, IT'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S WANTING TO COME.
AND THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT WE.
LIKE BUYING IN THE STOCK MARKET ALMOST, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S DONE WELL IN THE PAST DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO DO WELL IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING.
BUT HOW CAN WE AFFORD TO GO OUT ON A LIMB FOR THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS MILLION GALLONS A DAY MORE THAN WE ARE NOW JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT? THAT'S THE PROBLEM I'VE GOT.
I CAN'T COMMIT MYSELF TO BUYING A WHOLE BUNCH MORE WATER BETTING ON THE COME.
IT'S A CONCERN FOR ME, AS WELL.
I JUST I'M NOT ONE IS GOING TO BET ON THE COMING.
I HAVE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER COMMITS TO THE CITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT SO THAT WE CAN COMMIT TO PURCHASING THE ADDITIONAL WATER THAT WE'RE [INAUDIBLE].
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITION NEEDING AN ADDITIONAL THREE POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS A DAY FROM THE BWA, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE ONE POINT EIGHT COMES UP TO SIX POINT THREE.
IS THAT RIGHT? OR FIVE POINT THREE? FIVE THREE.
WE'D HAVE TO SQUIRT IT IN A DITCH.
I MEAN, WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT IT.
I MEAN, I LIKE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I LIKE US THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, I UNDERSTAND WE DO NEED TO HAVE AN EYE ON THE FUTURE.
AT THE SAME TIME, BALANCING IT WITH THAT QUESTION RIGHT THERE.
[INAUDIBLE] SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IS TABLE IT, AS I ARTICULATED.
I'LL COME BACK ON THE WELL INFORMATION WITH GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND WE COULD DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.
IF THERE'S ANOTHER IF, IF THE RESERVOIR WATER AUTHORITY COULD FIND SOME ADDITIONAL BUYERS UP HERE, THEY COULD HELP OUT WITH THIS NEEDED AMOUNT THAT THEY NEED TO BUILD THAT SIZE OF WATER LINE UP HERE.
YOU GOT STRINGFELLOW PRISON UP THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CARE ABOUT GETTING ON Y'ALLS WATER.
DARRINGTON PRISON FORM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON GETTING ON THE WATER.
THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL THERE, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO SELL THAT TO SOMEBODY.
WELL, MARK BROUGHT UP THE DEVELOPMENT EARLIER AND BONNIE.
THE I MEAN, BONNIE'S I GUESS, GOING TO BE BLOWING UP.
THE IOWA COLONIES ALREADY TAKEN OFF.
AND UNTIL YOU GET SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, THAT SUBSIDENCE DISTRICT OR WHATEVER SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T DRILL ANOTHER WELL, THEN IT'S GOING TO FORCE THEIR HAND TO GO TO BWA.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY, CHRIS, OR MORRIS CAN WE TRY TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE BWA PEOPLE TO LET THEM KNOW OUR CONCERNS? WE SEE THE.
WE SEE THE NEED, BUT HOW WOULD THEY BE IN OUR POSITION TO COMMIT TO THAT LEVEL? LIKE EVERYBODY HAS SAID, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE Y'ALL HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN MAYBE SIT DOWN TOGETHER, WORKSHOP IT SOMETHING, LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS.
MORRIS WILL GO BACK AND TALK TO THEM, BUT THEY GOT TO ALSO REALIZE OUR POSITION AS WELL, YOU KNOW? BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU ARTICULATED THE MAGIC EIGHT BALL AND YOU FLIP IT OVER AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE ANSWER? AND DO WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE ANSWER? YEAH.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ANGLETON.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HEARD IN OTHER CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT IS, HEY, WE WE'RE HAPPY BEING WHAT WE'RE AT.
AND IF THAT'S A DECISION, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE.
SO IF WE WANT TO SAY WE'RE DONE AND WE CAP OUT AT 900 MORE HOUSES.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAYING WE'RE DONE.
BUT IT'S THE POINT THAT WE HAVE TO BUY THREE AND A HALF BILLION GALLONS MORE A DAY TO GET ANOTHER DROP.
IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF AN INCREMENTAL STEP UP THAT WAY, BUT.
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MAYBE MORRIS CAN GO BACK IN.AND AGAIN, WE'LL LOOK AT WELLS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT IF THAT'S THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE HEADING TOWARD, WHERE WE'RE CAPPED AT A RATIO, THEN IT MAY BE GREAT FOR BACKUP CAPACITY WHEN WE HAVE A BWA WATER OUTAGE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP US IN THE LONG TERM GROWTH OR THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF MORRIS IS THE PERSON TO DIRECT THIS TO, BUT I MEAN, I LIKE WHAT CECIL IS SAYING.
IS THERE NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAIRSTEP SOME OF THIS? TO MEET TO MEET MEASURING POINTS LIKE WE DON'T NEED THREE POINT FIVE [INAUDIBLE].
CAN WE START WITH A MILLION? CAN WE START WITH LESS THAN A MILLION? YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS A DAY? ANOTHER? YEAH.
AND THE CITY OF ROSENBERG, CODED THE NOTE FOR THE PIPELINE.
LONG BEFORE THE LINE WAS EVER PUT IN.
WAIT WOULD THIS, THE VOLUME OF WATER.
WOULD THAT BE RELATED TO THE SIZE OF THE LINE? IS THAT WHY IT'S SO HIGH? YEAH.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO KEEP CERTAIN PRESSURE IN THE LINE.
AND ACTUALLY PUTTING THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUTTING A THIRTY SIX INCH LINE IN AND A FORTY EIGHT INCH LINE AREN'T THAT DIFFERENT.
BUT PUTTING THE LINE IN THE GROUND.
BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WANT, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK LATER AND PUT IT ON A LARGER LINE.
LIKE KIND OF WHAT WE'RE IN THE SITUATION WITH NOW.
A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION IS IN THE STUDY THAT WE, THAT WAS JUST RELEASED AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL AND.
MORRIS THIS IS JUST AN ASSUMPTION ON MY PART.
BUT I GUESS THE SIZE OF THE LINE THAT'S BEING PLANNED, THE NEXT LINE COMING THIS WAY, YOU'VE GOT TO BE BIG ENOUGH BECAUSE THE ONE THAT'S OUT THERE IS REALLY NOT BIG ENOUGH TO SUPPLY THE WATER.
SO THAT'S WHY THE NEXT LINE, IT'S GOT TO COME UP.
WE'VE GOT TO GOT REAL GOT TO BE PUMPING THAT 42.
THEY DID THE SMALLEST LINE AND THEY LOOKED AT WAS THIRTY SIX INCH COMING THIS WAY.
AND YES, THERE ARE POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS FARTHER NORTH THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP TOTE THE NOTE FOR IT.
NINE HUNDRED THIS NINE HUNDRED ACRE MUD WOULD BE GREAT, BUT THAT'S JUST AN [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW, [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW.
SEVERAL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND HERE [INAUDIBLE] WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM COME.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GOT TO HAVE NAMES ON THE LINE, COMMITMENT TO CITY BEFORE WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SOME DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, SO WE CAN TRY TO GO THERE AND ASK WHAT THE INCREMENTAL THING.
IS THERE SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN DO AN INCREMENTAL BASED ON WHAT WE SEE DEVELOPMENT? YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE AN OPTION.
OR SOMETHING KICKS IN WHERE WHEN THIS MEASURE'S MET.
MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS DISCUSSION ON BWA WATER SUPPLY AND ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO COME BACK TO US IN THE FUTURE.
CAN YOU AMEND THAT TO SAY POSTPONE? I THINK THAT'S THE PROPER TERM.
OK, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE ACTION ON THE BWA WATER SUPPLY.
MOTION BY MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ITEM NUMBER TWENTY, TWENTY ONE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A
[21. Discussion and possible action on a Master Services Agreement with NewGen Strategies and Solutions, LLC for the Water and Wastewater Rate Design Study and Impact Fee Study.]
MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH NEW GEN STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS LLC FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE DESIGN STUDY AND IMPACT FEE STUDY.YES, WE SHOULD HAVE NEW GEN MATTHEW ON THE LINE.
[INAUDIBLE] UNLESS HE'S MUTED.
MATTHEW GARRETT, ARE YOU THERE? WE BORED HIM TO SLEEP.
WELL, LET ME LET ME GET STARTED.
HOPEFULLY HE'LL CATCH UP WITH US HERE.
HOWDY, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS MUTED.
I HAD MY HAND RAISED, I WAS WAITING FOR THE ZOOM SCREEN AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE.
PLEASURE TO MEET YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
YOU WERE GOING TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC, I THINK.
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YES.THE STAFF'S BEEN WORKING WITH NEW GEN STRATEGY SOLUTIONS.
AND THE REASON IS WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROPOSAL I THINK IS THE RIGHT WORD ON THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS FOR TEN YEARS SINCE 2011.
SO WHAT WE ASK NEW GEN TO DO WAS CREATE A RATE DESIGN PROPOSAL IN A WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE PROPOSAL THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE THE [INAUDIBLE] PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THE CAP IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT'S BEING UPDATED RIGHT NOW, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PUSHING FORWARD WITH.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.
WE'VE GOT A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT.
WE'VE GOT TWO ADDITIONAL TASKS THERE.
THE REDESIGN WOULD BE TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND AND THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE WATER FUND.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE PROPOSAL THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE FUND FOR FIFTEEN THOUSAND.
SO AT THAT POINT, I'LL LET NEW GEN TAKE OVER AND GIVE US THE SCOPE AND GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I'D BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE TASK IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT ESSENTIALLY I BELIEVE RATES WERE LAST CHANGED IN 2018 FOR YOUR WATER AND SEWER RATES, UNLESS I MISREAD SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE, BUT WE WOULD CONCEIVABLY COME IN AND LOOK AT A FIVE YEAR COST OF SERVICE PROJECTION.
CLEARLY WE'VE GOT BWA CONCERNS, POTENTIALLY SOME ADDITIONAL WATER SERVICE, EVEN EVEN IF WE'RE WHEELING, AS THEY CALL IT, THAT WATER TO A MUD, SOME THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO WITH STAFF AND A THOROUGH REVIEW OF YOUR TYLER BILLING SYSTEM, WE'D BE ABLE TO ASSESS BOTH YOUR FINANCIAL NEEDS AS WELL AS YOUR POTENTIAL RECOVERY STRATEGIES FROM YOUR CUSTOMER BASE.
SO IF GROWTH IS REALLY COMING, IF WE'RE GETTING THOSE THOUSAND UNITS OR IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HELPING SERVICE THE MUD, THROUGH A WHOLESALE AGREEMENT, THOSE ARE ALL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
I KNOW SOME OF THAT WILL NOT BE SOLIDIFIED OR FINALIZED PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION OF THE STUDY, PROBABLY NOT PRIOR TO THE NEED FOR YOUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE TOPICS I WOULD ENVISION AND I DON'T WANT TO FORECAST NAIVELY, BUT I WOULD SAY THERE MAY BE SOME RATE DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT WOULD BE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER STUDY.
THEN WHEN WE DO THE WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES, THOSE WOULD BLEED INTO, I BELIEVE, YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES BECAUSE IT APPEARS YOU'RE DOING A CREDIT FOR TWO DOLLARS A MONTH ON SOME OF THOSE MINIMUM CHARGES WHERE YOU HAVE AN IMPACT FEE SERVICE AREA.
SO THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I'M EAGER TO GET STARTED, BUT INSTEAD OF MY QUESTIONS DO YOU AS A COUNCIL, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? JOHN? [LAUGHTER] I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO SIT BACK AND SEE IF COUNCILMAN BOOTH WANTED TO TAKE ON THIS ONE FOR A MOMENT, BUT I'M ALWAYS READY.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE WATER STUDY, THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST I FEEL LIKE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS IN 2014, 2015.
WHAT WAS IT? AND WHAT WOULD CHANGE SO DRASTICALLY FROM THEN TO NOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN ON DETERMINING HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT FEE WE HAVE TO CHARGE? SURE.
OF THE CITIES I WORK WITH, EXCEPT FOR VERY WELL ESTABLISHED, BUILT OUT COMMUNITIES WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOP.
BUT I HEAR GROWTH IN AT LEAST THE CONVERSATION.
AND EVEN IF YOU HAD ALL THE CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT NEW GROWTH, THEN YOU BUILT IT IN THE PAST AND THE SUNK COST ARE TO THE BENEFIT OF THOSE COMING.
AND I'M NOT A GROWTH PACE FOR GROWTH PERSON BECAUSE IT'S YOUR AGENDA, NOT MINE.
BUT IF IT WAS THE DESIRE, I HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF RHETORIC ABOUT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND NOT JUST GROWTH FOR GROWTH SAKE SORT OF CONVERSATION.
SO IF THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY, THEN YOU'D WANT TO OPEN THAT BACK UP.
IT'S A PRETTY SMALL COMPONENT PART OF YOUR.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE IS FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM US AND A FEW THOUSAND MORE FROM YOUR ENGINEER TO SUPPORT THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS THAT WOULD BE MADE UP IN THE FIRST 20 HOMES IF YOU HAD A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THE CALCULATION.
SO TO CARVE OUT THE WASTEWATER REALLY WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT.
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AND I THINK YOU ONLY HAVE DOWNSIDE FROM NOT REVIEWING IT PERSONALLY.THEN ANOTHER THING I WILL MENTION, I DON'T KNOW HOW HDR CONDUCTED THIS, I HAVE NOT SEEN A LOT OF OTHER FIRMS DO THE FINANCIAL CALCULATION.
I'M COMING TO YOU MORE AS A FINANCIAL ANALYST, MORE THAN AN ENGINEER.
AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 395 ALLOWS FOR A CREDIT COUNT AT 50 PERCENT OF THE CALCULATED MAXIMUM.
SO BASICALLY TOTAL COST DIVIDED BY UNITS.
THERE IS YOUR CHARGEABLE NUMBER.
THERE'S AN ALTERNATE COUNT WHICH LOOKS AT THE THE COST OF DEBT, THE CARRYING COST.
AND WE WOULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT PREVIOUSLY ISSUED DEBT.
EVEN IF YOU'RE STILL PAYING SOMETHING OFF.
IN THE CITY OF LEWISVILLE, WE'RE PAYING OFF OR WE ARE INCLUDING IN THE IMPACT FEE A RESERVOIR BUILT IN 1956 OR SO.
SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK AND LOOK AT THINGS THAT WERE PAID PREVIOUSLY TO THE BENEFIT OF THOSE COMING.
SO AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT'S IN YOUR INTEREST.
WELL OVER IF YOU WERE TO CUT IT IN HALF.
SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS OF THAT TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY YOUR PREROGATIVE.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE BIGGEST THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS THE ESUS AND HOW WE IDENTIFY WHAT AN ESU IS.
I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DISCUSSION WE HAD ON THAT.
SO WHAT ONE HOUSE WOULD USE AND HOW MANY SERVICE UNITS THAT IS VERSUS A CAR WASH? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS WHERE THE BIG DISCUSSION AND I COULD SEE WHERE YOU WOULD CHANGE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I DON'T I FROM EVERYTHING YOU SAID, IT SOUNDS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED ALREADY.
WELL, AND TO BE FAIR, YOU MENTIONED 2015 LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 395 REQUIRES TO DO AN UPDATE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE NOT TO AT LEAST TAKE THIS UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW ON THIS ONE, YOU COULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NO UPDATE.
SHOULD YOUR [INAUDIBLE] OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUGGEST THAT YOU DON'T UPDATE THIS, BUT IN FACT, YOU'RE REALLY ON A FIVE YEAR CYCLE.
AND SO WE IN DUE DILIGENCE NEED TO REVIEW IT OR THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE IT UP FOR CONSIDERATION, EVEN IF I DON'T HELP YOU EVALUATE THE PROPER CALCULATION OF A FEE.
JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS, SO I'VE WORKED WITH MATTHEW BEFORE CITY ROCKDALE, HE HELPED US THROUGH THE RATE STUDY THROUGH THE FOR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND THE CAMPAIGN WITH THE PUBLIC TO TALK ABOUT TALK ABOUT THAT SO NOT JUST PICKING A NAME OUT OF A HAT KIND OF DEAL, BUT ALSO, MATTHEW.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE GROWTH AND THE BWA PIECE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE DISCUSSION YOU HEARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY IN THE RATE STUDY FOR WATER TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON THOSE THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, LIKE THE MUDS AND SUCH TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT? SURE.
SO THERE IS A WAY VIA CONTRACT TO DO A LOT RELATIVE TO YOUR COSTS WITH BWA.
THE COST OUTSIDE CITIES IS FACING INCREASED SCRUTINY.
ONE OF OUR COMPETITORS HAS WORKED WITH SEVERAL CITIES RECENTLY AND NOW ARE TRYING TO DEFEND THE RATES BEFORE THE PUC.
THE PROBLEM YOU GET INTO IF YOU DON'T DO A THOROUGH COST OF SERVICE AND I MEAN GETTING DOWN TO SERVICE LINES AND LENGTH AND INCH, FEET OF DISTRIBUTION AND TRANSMISSION FACILITIES.
THE PROBLEM YOU GET INTO IS IF YOU CAN'T DEFEND THAT ONE POINT TWO FIVE MULTIPLIER, DESPITE THE GOOD SPEECH AND THE RESOLUTION ABOUT IT BEING PROPER AND NECESSITATED BY, YOU KNOW, FOR PUBLIC HEALTH.
AND AS THE CITY INVESTORS DO THIS AND PAY TAXES, THAT DOESN'T HOLD MUCH WATER BEFORE THE PUC, PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SAY IS THE COST TO SERVE THEM ACTUALLY MORE? AND WHILE NOT A LOT OF COUNCILS LIKE MY ANSWER, WE CAN LOOK AT THE COST OF SERVICE OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUT IT MAY NOT GIVE YOU THE PICTURE TO CHARGE THEM FOR THAT.
WHAT IS IT, THREE POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS OF THAT ADDITIONAL THAT MARGINAL INCREMENT W ITH BWA.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO STRAP THEM WITH THAT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, WE ARE HELPING.
WE HAVE HELPED ANYWAYS FOR YEARS SETTLED IN NORTH TEXAS [INAUDIBLE] WATER DISTRICT TAKE OR PAY AGREEMENTS IN THE DALLAS AREA.
SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH CONTRACTUAL PROVISIONS RELATIVE TO TAKE OR PAYS.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DOING IT PURSUANT TO A CONTRACT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY DEFEND COST TO SERVICE RATES.
SO THAT'S THE ANGLE I WOULD TAKE, CHRIS, IF I WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT
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THAT NEW MUD PAYS ITS SHARE, PLUS FORGOING THEIR OWN CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND KIND OF WRITING YOUR RISK AS THE CITY IN THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPLY WATER.BUT WE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THOSE STRATEGIES IN THE CONDUCT OF THE STUDY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL ANSWERS TO INFORM YOUR RATES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
NOW, THE ONE POINT TWO FIVE ON THE BOOKS TODAY, WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.
I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT AT RISK FOR POTENTIAL APPEAL.
I MEAN, THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WOULD SAY IS IT'S ALL GREAT AND GOOD ON AN IMPACT FEE STUDY, BUT IF WE CAN'T GET THE PROBLEM IS FORMER MAYOR PRO TEM COLLINS USED TO SAY THE COUNCIL FOLDS LIKE A CHEAP SUITCASE.
THE WE WAVE THE IMPACT FEES ON ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO IT'S REALLY IMPERATIVE THAT WE HOLD TO THESE FEES THAT WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY ON DESIGNING.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS STATED THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE TO UPDATE IT.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST CONTINUE WITH WHAT WE GOT AND START HOLDING PEOPLE TO IT.
I DON'T SEE IT'S GOING TO CHANGE MUCH.
IT'S FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE COULD SAVE AT THIS POINT.
I'M ALL FOR THE WATER STUDY, BUT.
AND I'M JUST BRINGING THINGS UP.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO, WE CHOOSE TO DO.
THERE'S A BIG ASPECT OF THE RATE STUDY THAT NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON SANITARY SEWER TREATMENT.
I THINK WE'LL FIND OUT QUICKLY THAT ONCE WE START UPGRADING OUR TREATMENT FACILITIES AND QUIT.
THE INEFFICIENCIES WITHIN IT THEN I THINK IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THE COST TO TREAT THE SEWER WILL GO DOWN.
CONSEQUENTLY, WE CAN LOWER THOSE SEWER RATES.
BUT AS LONG AS THERE'S HOLES IN THE SYSTEM AND THE PLANT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT, WE'VE GOT TO PASS THAT COST ALONG TO THE PEOPLE WHO FLUSH.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING TO SPEND MONEY TO SAVE MONEY.
SO MY QUICK QUESTION IS, IS THERE FUNDS AVAILABLE? BECAUSE WAS THIS BUDGETED? SO THIS IS BUDGETED.
THE OTHER 15 WOULD COME OUT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FUND WHERE THERE'S SOME MONEY THERE.
YOU HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS TO SUPPOSED TO HELP OFFSET THE INCREASES ON THE RESIDENTS SO THAT IT DOESN'T THE RESIDENTS DON'T GET STUCK PAYING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WE PUT IN OF THOSE PLACES.
THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF SKEPTICAL OF USING THAT MONEY RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE UNTIL SOMEBODY GOES AND BUILDS IN THOSE TWO AREAS WHERE WE'RE STUCK.
SO, I MEAN, MY OPINION IS THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES DESIGN STUDY, IT SHOULD BE GREEN LIT.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE IMPACT FEE STUDY WOULD BE TABLED, NOT ACTION.
CAPACITY FEE? YES, THE ONE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2014.
I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY AT SOME POINT IN TIME GO BACK TO SOME OF THAT.
THE CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEES IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HE'S TALKING ON THE IMPACT FEE I BELIEVE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO IMPACT FEES AREAS THAT WE HAVE BACK IN 2014, COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO CREATE AN IMPACT FEE FOR CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS TO SURROUND THAT AREA, NOT THE ENTIRE CITY.
THESE ARE IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT THAT HAVE TWO IDENTIFIED AREA, GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS THAT HAVE IMPACT FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
FOR DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING IN, THE RESERVE IS IN ONE OF THEM.
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IT'S JUST TOO SMALL ONES.I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY DOES NOT CONFUSE THAT WITH THE CAF FEES.
OK, OK, BECAUSE I WAS, I THOUGHT.
OK, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IMPACT FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAF.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO WHAT'S ON THE TABLE IS A WATER AND WASTEWATER STUDY AND THEN AN IMPACT STUDY.
MR. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE WASTEWATER RATE DESIGN STUDY FOR TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS COMING FROM THE ACCOUNTS THAT WE SPECIFIED AND TABLE THE IMPACT FEES STUDY.
POSTPONE THE IMPACT FEE STUDY.
[LAUGHTER] I'M WAITING FOR ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS TO COME OUT BEST OUT OF THREE.
I AM AND I WILL MAKE THE AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION THAT IT'S WE TAKE NO ACTION ON THE IMPACT FEE STUDY AT THIS TIME.
[INAUDIBLE] SO I HAVE MOTION, DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GONGORA, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
MOVING ALONG, NUMBER 22, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ANY OF THE GOVERNOR
[22. Discussion and possible action on any of the Governor Abbott’s latest executive orders, Brazoria County’s emergency declarations and impact on the City of Angleton and how to proceed with City business in the future.]
ABBOTT'S LATEST EXECUTIVE ORDERS, BRAZORIA COUNTY EMERGENCY DECLARATION AND IMPACT ON THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND HOW TO PROCEED WITH CITY BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE.ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE WHO IS WATCHING TELEVISION LAST TUESDAY ON TEXAS INDEPENDENCE DAY HEARD THE GOVERNOR'S ANNOUNCEMENT AND HE HAS PUT HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 34, WHICH BASICALLY HAS ELIMINATED STARTING TOMORROW THE MAJORITY OF THE COVID RESTRICTIONS STATEWIDE.
SEVERAL OTHER MANDATES, INCLUDING THE MAYOR HAVING TO APPROVE OUTDOOR GATHERINGS OF OVER 100.
I THINK THAT'S THE CONSENSUS [INAUDIBLE] HAS HELPED US OUT WITH INTERPRETING IT.
HE DOES POINT OUT AT PARAGRAPH ONE, B IN HIS IN HIS ORDER THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO WEAR FACE COVERINGS OVER THE NOSE AND MOUTH.
WHEN NOT FEASIBLE TO MAINTAIN SIX FEET SOCIAL DISTANCING.
SO WE'RE NOT ABANDONING EVERYTHING IT'S JUST THE GOVERNMENT MANDATE.
SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS WE BE LOOKING AT DECIDING HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS LOCALLY.
I THINK I JUST READ IN THE NEWS AS WE WERE SITTING HERE, FORT BEND COUNTY HAS DECIDED THAT THEY'RE HAVING EVERYBODY IN THEIR BUILDINGS, EMPLOYEES AND GUESTS WEARING MASKS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS BEING ON.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN TEA THAT WILL BE TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.
THE PRISONS AND JAILS, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN GOVERNING BODIES TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.
SO THIS HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST NEWS.
AND AGAIN, THE AND YOU'LL SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET THERE, THE TRAUMA SERVICE AREAS, HOSPITALIZATION RATE COMES BIG IN THE ORDER.
SOME OF THESE THINGS WILL GO BACK OR THE COUNTY JUDGE CAN ORDER SOME COVID PROTOCOLS.
WERE WE TO GET OVER THAT 15 PERCENT HOSPITALIZATION RATE OVER SEVEN DAYS, SEVEN CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
YOU CAN SEE WE'RE ABOUT ELEVEN POINT FOUR ONE.
I THINK IT SAID OVER THE LAST WEEK TO EIGHT DAYS WE'VE BEEN BELOW 11.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN WAVERING THERE BEFORE 11.
SO WE'RE UP THERE, BUT WE'RE STILL NOT PEAKING LIKE WE WERE JUST BEFORE.
JUST BEFORE THE BIG FREEZE WHEN THINGS REALLY CHANGED FOR US.
SO ALSO THE BIG NEWS IS WE'VE GOTTEN FINAL APPROVAL AND WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE FOR THE PAYMENT FOR THE REST OF OUR 80 PERCENT OF OUR CORONAVIRUS RELIEF ACT.
MONEY THAT GOES TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON, IT WAS ONE POINT ONE THREE MILLION DOLLARS AT THE START.
AND IT WILL STILL BE WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THE OTHER NINE HUNDRED AND FIVE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND FIVE THOUSAND.
COMING TO US WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
IT'S WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THEIR INFORMATION ON GRANTS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE [INAUDIBLE] FOR US.
WE WILL BE MEETING OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS RETUNING FINE TUNING SOME OF THE AREAS
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THAT WE WILL TRY TO USE THIS MONEY AND TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.A LOT OF THINGS WERE REVEALED THAT WE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS TO BE A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY AFTER THE AFTER THE BIG FREEZE AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT ARE COVID RELATED.
SO IT'S UNRESTRICTED MONEY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN CREDIT FOR THAT.
SO THIS MONEY WE GET, WE CAN USE FOR ANY PURPOSE.
AND SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL ON PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT THAT WE HAVE NEEDS FOR SEE FIT.
AND Y'ALL TELL US YAY OR NAY OR ADD SOMETHING TO IT OR THROW SOMETHING AWAY.
I WAS GOING TO SAY IT CAN COUNCIL GIVE YOU SOME GIVE STAFF SOME SUGGESTIONS.
YES, ABSOLUTELY OF COURSE WE'RE HERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME ABOUT FROM JUST THE TIME I SPENT AT BATES PARK OVER THE WEEKEND WAS OUR RESTROOM FACILITIES.
I LIKE THEY ARE ALL COMPLIMENTING ON WHAT WE DID ABOUT THE TOUCHLESS HAND SANITIZING AND SOAP AND DRYING.
BUT THE TOILETS ARE STILL HAND.
SO SOMEBODY POINT THAT OUT TO ME THE OTHER DAY.
AND WE'RE TRYING NOT TO BE EXTRAVAGANT, BUT DO AS MUCH CONVERSION AS WE CAN WITH OUR OWN SORT OF GOAL.
YOU KNOW, I'D SAY BE LIKE BUC-EE'S, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO BUC-EE'S.
YEAH, THAT'S IN SOCCER COMPLEX [INAUDIBLE].
ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER INITIATIVES ALONG THE SAME LINES.
STAFF WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ON A HAZARD PAY STIPEND FOR WORKERS DURING THE FREEZE EVENT.
NOT SURE IF YOU'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT OR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
WELL, I WILL SAY FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER CITIES, THEY OFFERED HAZARD PAY FOR THOSE THAT WERE IN THE ELEMENT.
YES, THOSE WHO WERE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE DOING IT.
NEIGHBORING EMPLOYERS ARE DOING IT.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT WAS AN EVENT THAT WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYTHING WE'VE EVER SEEN IN MY TIME AND VERSUS A LOT OF OTHERS.
I REALLY THINK WE NEEDED TO BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED THE EVENT.
NOW, IF YOU SAT AT HOME IN THE COMFORT OF--WELL, IT WASN'T COMFORTABLE--IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO WORK AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO ENDURE THE ELEMENTS HANDS ON, I WOULD SUPPORT GIVING THOSE INDIVIDUALS SOME SORT OF HAZARD PAY BECAUSE THAT WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND.
SO THERE ARE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT I HAVE WORKED UP, SO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE FINANCIALLY.
SO IF WE CONSIDER EMPLOYEES WHO RESPONDED IN ANY SOME FORM OR FASHION, WHETHER THEY COULD ONLY DONATE THEIR FRIDAY OR SATURDAY, AND THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR EMPLOYEES, IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER A TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLAR STIPEND, THAT WOULD BE THIRTY THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS.
THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS WOULD BE FORTY THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS AND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS WOULD COME TO ABOUT SIXTY SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IF WE JUST CONSIDER THOSE WHO WORKED OUTSIDE IN THE ELEMENTS OUTSIDE THEIR NORMAL WORKING HOURS AND DAYS OR DID DUTIES OTHER THAN THEIR REGULAR DUTIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 27 EMPLOYEES.
AT 250, THAT WOULD BE 6750 AT THREE HUNDRED, THAT'D BE EIGHT THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED.
AND AT FIVE HUNDRED THAT'D BE THIRTEEN FIVE.
THAT ENCOMPASSES ABOUT TWELVE PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES.
THESE NUMBERS DO INCLUDE, BY THE WAY, THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS WHO RESPONDED.
37 FIREFIGHTERS, SEVEN ADMIN TYPE STAFF, 7 PE STAFF AND 22 PARKS AND REC STAFF.
SO I SUPPORT THE FIRST OPTION, BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE-- HOLD ON, WHEN YOU SAY THE FIRST OPTION, YOU MEAN ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR EMPLOYEES AT WHAT PRICE? WELL, SO LET ME GIVE YOU THE CATEGORY FIRST, AND JUST GIVE MY RATIONALE.
SO THERE WERE LIKE THE DISPATCHERS, I MEAN, THEY WERE THE COUNTY, MULTIPLE CITY, WHATEVER THEY DID MORE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T GO OUTDOORS IN THE ELEMENTS.
AND THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, GETTING STAFF FOLKS THAT VOLUNTEERED IT, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEER EVENTS THAT OUTSIDE THE NORMAL SCOPE OF THEIR DUTIES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR AMOUNT.
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HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? SO, WELL, WE CAN PAY FOR IT WITH CARES.WE'RE ALSO ACCUMULATING OUR COSTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT TO FEMA.
IN FIVE PERCENT BACK, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REIMBURSABLE COULD BE A YEAR, COULD BE WHATEVER THE NORMAL OR BETTER EXPERTS [INAUDIBLE].
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PAY FOR IT OUT OF CARES AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S UNRESTRICTED AND THEN WE'LL FILE FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
BUT I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, CITY EMPLOYEES ACTED IN AN EXTRAORDINARY MANNER, IN AN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT WASN'T EMERGENCY ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL.
IT WASN'T ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF-- IT WAS A LOT OF ALL HANDS ON DECK AT THE LAST MOMENT, CAN YOU HELP IN SOME FORM OR FASHION-- UNDER VERY CHALLENGING AND DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES-- EXACTLY.
EVEN TO THE PERSON WHO CAME AND PASSED OUT WATER.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE WATER AT THEIR HOUSE, BUT THEY CAME AND PASSED THAT WATER AT OUR POD.
I WOULD CERTAINLY GO WITH, WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? IF WE DID THE FIRST ONE WITH THE 500 AT FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS, IT WOULD BE SIXTY SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND IT'S OK TO USE THE CARES MONEY, CORRECT? IT'S UNRESTRICTED AND WE WOULD FILE WITH FEMA AND TRY TO GET THAT 75 PERCENT REIMBURSEMENT? ONE CAVEAT WITH THAT, WHENEVER YOU MAKE A DECISION, YOU DO NOT CALL IT HAZARD PAY; CALL IT HAZARD STIPEND, BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET REIMBURSED FROM FEMA.
AND THEN THAT WAY YOU GET THAT MONEY BACK TO THE CARES RESERVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO HAZARD STIPEND IS THE BUZZ WORD.
OK, WE'LL TALK, BECAUSE I GOT A QUESTION HOW THAT [INAUDIBLE] WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, WE ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING.
WAS IT HARVEY WHO WAS HERE? [INAUDIBLE] WAS IT HARVEY OR JEFF? DID WE DO SOMETHING BACK THEN TOO? WE DID DO SOMETHING DURING THAT LAST BIG WHATEVER THAT BIG HURRICANE WAS.
WE TOOK FEDERAL MONEY AND ASKED FOR A REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE FEDERAL MONEY? IT'S ALL FEDERAL.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE MAY NOT WANT TO TAKE IT FROM THE CARES ACT BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY FEDERAL MONEY AND THEN APPLYING FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT SAME FEDERAL MONEY WE USED TO PAY THIS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE--.
SAME PIGGY BANK, BUT TWO DIFFERENT HANDS.
I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S LEGAL.
I DON'T WANT TO...SOUNDS KIND OF...
AGAIN, GETTING THE MONEY BACK IS UNRESTRICTED.
NO, I GET THAT, BUT I'M SAYING BUT THEN YOU'RE APPLYING TO GET--.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO REIMBURSE [INAUDIBLE] FOR A DIFFERENT EVENT.
SO YOU TAKE THE CARES ACT, YOU PUT IT IN GENERAL FUND, YOU PAY IT OUT GENERAL FUND.
YOU TAKE IT TO THE BANK; I GOT IT.
THEORETICALLY, WE'LL MAKE THE PAYMENT NOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE FILING OUR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT PAPERWORK AND WE'VE GOT DOCUMENTATION THAT WE PAID OUT THIS AS A STIPEND ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I JUST [INAUDIBLE] WE APPRECIATE THE OVER--WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE--KEEPING US OUT OF HOT WATER.
MAY BE SIMPLISTIC, BUT WHATEVER.
MAKE SURE EVERYBODY REALIZES JUST BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING DOES NOT MEAN I'M AGAINST ANY OF THIS.
THE FOLKS WHO WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND NEED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.
FOLKS WHO WERE DOING TASKS THAT WERE CONSIDERED ESSENTIAL SERVICES, THOSE SPECIFICALLY NEED TO BE COMPENSATED, YOU KNOW.
AND I'VE SEEN THERE I'VE HEARD FROM MY DIFFERENT PARTNERS OR FRIENDS WHETHER IT WAS EXTRA HOURLY, A STIPEND, IF YOU WILL, OR THEY JUST I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, SHOW GOOD FAITH AND TELL THEM THANK YOU.
SO OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION ON THE TABLE.
IS THERE A MOTION COMING FROM THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM A COUNCILPERSON? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO WITH THE FIRST OPTION AT THE MAXIMUM PAYMENT OF FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE HAZARD STIPEND AND THAT I GUESS WE SEEK FEMA REIMBURSEMENT.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND AND SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THIS GROUP OF FOLKS THAT--
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YES.AND AS I SAID, IT INCLUDED THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS THAT DID RESPOND TO SEVERAL OF THE FIRES WE HAD.
SO THIS WAS VETTED WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] GROUP.
AND SO WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO QUALIFIED AND WHO DIDN'T.
WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT LEVEL OF EXTRAORDINARY MEANS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND WITHOUT TRYING TO BUILD TIERS IN THERE AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER QUALIFICATIONS, WE WANT TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND THANK THE EMPLOYEES WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT, BECAUSE WE'D LOVE TO GIVE A LOT MORE.
YOU GUYS LOGGED THE HOURS THAT THEY SPENT WORKING? THOSE HOURS ARE COMPENSATED FOR TIME, DOUBLE TIME, WHATEVER--.
YOU KNOW OVERTIME DON'T PAY FOR 12 DEGREES [LAUGHTER].
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE: AYE.
GET THE LATEST ON THE REC CENTER POLICIES.
YES, JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, WITH THE COVID POLICIES AND ALL WE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD AS TO ALSO HAVING START TOMORROW BEING MASKS ARE NOT REQUIRED, BUT STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR THOSE COMING IN.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WE ARE CURRENTLY WE WERE AT THE 50 PERCENT IN ALL AREAS WITH THE FOLLOWING THE HOSPITALIZATION RATE ON CAPACITY.
WE ARE PROPOSING 100 PERCENT TO OPEN ALL AREAS.
REALLY, THE POOL IN THE BASKETBALL GYM HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN AFFECTED BECAUSE A HUNDRED PERCENT WOULD BE THREE HUNDRED PEOPLE IN ALL AREAS.
AND WE'VE NEVER REALLY REACHED THOSE CAPACITIES.
BUT THE MAIN AREA BEING AFFECTED BY THE WEIGHT ROOM AT 50 PEOPLE MAX.
WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ARE REACHING THAT 50 PERCENT, WHICH IS, YEAH.
ABOUT YOU SEE ABOUT PROBABLY THE MAX ABOUT 20 PEOPLE IN OUR BUSY TIMES.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD WITH SCHEDULING RESERVATIONS, WHICH ARE BIRTHDAY PARTY PACKAGES AND PRIVATE POOL PARTY PACKAGES AND THE ROOM TWO ONLY AS OF RIGHT NOW BECAUSE ROOM ONE IS BEING UTILIZED [INAUDIBLE] BY ACTIONS.
SO WE WOULD START TAKING RESERVATIONS TOMORROW LOOKING AT TEN O'CLOCK JUST TO GET THE FORMS AND EVERYTHING PREPARED.
YOU SAID ROOM ONE IS BEING UTILIZED FOR WHAT? ACTIONS.
IT'S WHERE WE'RE KEEPING ALL THE FOOD FOR THE SENIORS.
OK, [INAUDIBLE] ACTION, SO, I'M SORRY.
[LAUGHTER] SORRY WE GET CONFUSED TOO.
I JUST I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE, BUT I WANTED TO CONFIRM.
THAT TEXAS DIALECT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
WE WOULD START TAKING RESERVATIONS TOMORROW AT 10:00 A.M.
AND THE FIRST RESERVATIONS WOULD BE HELD FOR APRIL.
WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING ANY RESERVATIONS IN MARCH, BUT WE'D BE GETTING READY SO WE CAN GET STAFF BACK ON BOARD ON TRAINING AND GETTING READY TO HAVE RESERVATIONS IN APRIL.
AND ALSO FOR SUMMER CAMP, WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR PROTOCOLS THAT CHILDREN TEN YEARS AND OLDER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO WEAR A MASK, BUT WE WILL BE TAKING THAT OFF AS WELL.
BUT IT'S STILL DOING THE DAILY SCREENING AS WHEN KIDS COME IN TO CAMP, YOU KNOW, CHECKING TEMPERATURES AND HOW THEY'RE FEELING.
WE ALSO WERE LOOKING AT FOR SUMMER CAMP MOVING FORWARD WITH TEN KIDS PER COUNSELOR RATHER THAN THE NINE PER COUNSELOR.
AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO HAVE GROUPS BIGGER THAN TEN WITH THE KIDS.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING LIKE WE USED TO HAVE BEFORE, PROBABLY 20 KIDS WITH TWO COUNSELORS PER GROUP.
THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN TO DO AT THE RECREATION CENTER.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF A MASK MANDATE FOR THE STATE, UM, THE ONE THING I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON AND THE STAFF IS THE CLEANING OF THE REC
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CENTER.AND I HOPE THAT CONTINUES BECAUSE WE'LL NEED THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE LIFTING THE MASK MANDATE.
WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO LAX ON THE CLEANING AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL STAYING VIGILANT AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE WHERE THEY CAN AND KEEP THINGS CLEAN, CLEANING MACHINERY AND ALL THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT UP.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT; I'LL LET STAFF KNOW.
THAT WILL MAKE THEIR EFFORTS REALLY FEEL GOOD.
BUT YES, WE ARE STILL PLANNING TO CLEAN EVERY HOUR.
WE CLEAN THE WEIGHT ROOM HOURLY, SO WE STILL PLAN TO HOLD THAT IN PLACE.
SO FOR THE STAFF, WE SENT OUT A MEMO SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GOVERNOR'S ORDERS, THERE IS NO MASK MANDATE.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENCOURAGING THOSE THAT FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO WEAR A MASK, WHETHER THEY ARE A VISITOR OR EMPLOYEE.
WE REALLY DELEGATED TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO DETERMINE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, POLICE, IF THEY THINK THEY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, COVID-RELATED CALL, THEY WILL MASK UP, FIRE DEPARTMENTS CHOSE TO MASK FOR THEIR RESPONSES RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, FRONT DESK STAFF, WHETHER IT'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR UTILITIES.
AND THERE'S EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY STILL WANT TO WEAR A MASK.
YOU KNOW, PRE COVID POST-COVID, DURING COVID, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
AND SAME THING WITH VISITORS, IF THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WEARING A MASK, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT SOCIAL DISTANCING, RELY ON ZOOM FOR MEETINGS AS APPROPRIATE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
MAYOR, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS? I'M THINKING IF WE CAN KEEP SOCIAL DISTANCING, THEN YOU CAN TAKE YOUR MASK OFF.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO BE COMFORTABLE IN YOUR FACE TO FACE, A FOOT APART, IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO PUT ONE ON.
I MEAN, IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.
IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE IN DOING IT, THEN I WILL GO WITH THE GOVERNOR'S MASK MANDATE THAT IF YOU WANT TO UNMASK, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO.
I BEING A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL WILL PROBABLY STILL CONTINUE TO WEAR A MASK, AND THAT'S JUST ME.
BUT I WILL LET EACH INDIVIDUAL CHOOSE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO I THINK STARTING NEXT WEEK IN TWO AND A HALF HOURS, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR MASK OFF AND YOU CAN SOCIAL JUSTICE WITHIN MODERATION, THEN TAKE YOUR MASK OFF.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE ZOOM.
I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO DO SOME BATTLING.
AND IF WE CAN, LET'S DO IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
YES, WE'RE STILL GOING TO LIMIT CAPACITY IN HERE AND MASK? I THINK WE CAN START BRINGING SOME MORE CHAIRS IN.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE KIND OF NEED LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'RE NOT AT CAPACITY, BUT IT'S WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT SIX FOOT [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK WE COULD BRING SOME MORE CHAIRS TO THE FRONT IF WE NEED TO, AND OFF TO THE SIDE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME HOT TOPICS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP ANYBODY FROM COMING IN.
IF IT'S LIKE CHURCH, THEY WON'T COME SIT IN THEM [LAUGHTER] YEAH, GREAT.
OK, MR. GLENN, ANYTHING ELSE? GOVERNOR SAID, WE'RE 100 PERCENT OPEN ALL OUR BUSINESSES AND WHATNOT AS WELL, FORGOT TO MENTION.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR ALL YOUR WORK IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
IT'S BEEN PRETTY, PRETTY ROUGH FOR EVERYBODY, COUNCIL AND ALL.
THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING TOO, BEING SUPPORTIVE.
OK, SO NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. GLENN.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO NORMAL.
NUMBER TWENTY THREE, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON MASS GATHERING PERMITS FOR
[23. Discussion and possible action on mass gathering permits for a concert at Welch Park on May 22, 2021 and for Peach Street Farmers Market Night Jams on June 11 & 12, 2021.]
A CONCERT AT WELCH PARK ON MAY 22ND.AND FOR THE PEACH STREET FARMER'S MARKET NIGHT JAMS ON JUNE 11, 12, TWENTY TWENTY ONE.
WE HAVE SEEN THE SPRING FLING MR. LUNA'S GATHERING SINCE LAST FEBRUARY AND SET ANOTHER DATE OF THE TWENTY FIRST AND TWENTY SECOND AT WELCH PARK AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY COMMENT.
SO, YOU WANT TO DO EACH ONE SEPARATE OR JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST DO THAT ONE FIRST? WE CAN DO THIS ONE FIRST.
SO MR. LUNA'S BEEN HERE BEFORE.
HE IS REALLY TRYING TO HOST HIS EVENT, GET BACK TO SOME SORT OF NORMALCY.
I BELIEVE THE RULES NOW ARE COMING INTO PLAY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR OUR FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW THIS EVENT TO OCCUR WITH THE SUBJECT THAT IF WE GO BACK TO THAT ONCE AGAIN, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE HAVE TO GO BACK.
THAT'S ALWAYS THAT CAVEAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK IT'S BY THEN HOPEFULLY WORDED BETTER, EVEN BETTER POSITION THAN WE ARE IN TODAY.
DO WE WANT TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY, OR WE COULD DO THEM TOGETHER IF YOU'D LIKE THE OTHER ONE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH AS WELL AS PEACH STREET, I DID THAT LAST JUNE AT PEACH
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STREET MARKET, FOLLOWED THE SAME PROTOCOLS THAT MR. LUNA HAD PROVIDED FOR THE SPRING FLING.YOU'VE GOT THE PACKET FOR BOTH OF THEM.
[INAUDIBLE] ARE THERE? JUST TWO BUT MR. ALLEN HAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR ITEMS ATTACHED TO HIS.
YEAH, MAYBE I ATTACHED TOO MANY.
HE SHOULD HAVE HIS MASS GATHERING APPLICATION AND THEN HIS COVID PROTOCOLS HE SENT A MEMO WITH THINGS THAT HE'S JUST HAVING THE ONE EVENT ON TWO NIGHTS WHERE HOPEFULLY GET A BETTER POSITION.
I PROBABLY ATTACHED THINGS TWICE.
MR. LUNA GOT QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
WHERE ARE YOU PARKING AGAIN? INSIDE THE FACILITY, I MEAN-- NO PARKING ON KIBER? NO, IT'S A HUGE I MEAN, THE PARK IS HUGE.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO FENCE.
BUT I THINK MEGAN AND I WENT OUT THERE TO SEE IT THAT ONE TIME AND IT WORKED OUT REAL WELL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TWO CAR, I MEAN, THEY'RE COMING AND GOING, BUT WILL HAVE ON THE LEFT SIDE WILL HAVE ALL THE PARKING AS YOU'RE COMING IN.
YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING ON BOTH EVEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING BECAUSE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, I'M GOING TO PUSH THE FENCE BACK TO COME IN PROBABLY 200 YARDS INTO THE PARK AND THEN FENCE IT LIKE THIS.
AND THE CROWD WILL BE THE STAGE HERE AND THE CROWD BACK THERE.
SO REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THE STAGE CLOSE TO OR FACING THE KIBER OR ANY OF THE HOUSES-- FACING SOUTH NOW-- SO WE'RE FACING AWAY AND THE CROWD WILL TAKE CARE OF THE SOUND COMING THIS WAY.
WE WON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO PARK ON KIBER WHEN YOU SAY TOILETS WILL MEET ALL STANDARDS, YOU JUST MEAN PORTA POTTIES, RIGHT? [LAUGHTER] YEAH, I DO ABOUT FOUR CONCERTS A YEAR WHEN IT'S NORMAL THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES I DO IS IN ROCKPORT.
AND WE HAVE 3000 PEOPLE A NIGHT.
TWO YEARS AGO I HAD THE SPAZMATICS AND WE HAD OVER 3000 PEOPLE.
AND THEN I HAD A SIGGNO, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST TEJANO BANDS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WE HAD OVER 3000 PEOPLE.
HERE IS GOING TO BE I MEAN, ANGLETON IS A GREAT TOWN AND I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A SHOT IN THE ARM IN THE ECONOMY FOR SURE, WITH ALL THE MOTELS AND EVERYTHING WE'RE GOING TO DO.
BUT WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF I MEAN, I DO THIS ENOUGH TIMES THAT I KNOW WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, WE'LL HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE] WILL HAVE PLENTY FOR THE LADIES, PLENTY FOR THE MEN.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE HANDICAP AND THE WASHING THE STATION SECTIONS FOR YOU TO WASH YOUR HANDS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THAT IN PLACE.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THOSE THINGS FOR YOU TO WASH.
AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK TO ASK THE PEOPLE TO PLEASE WEAR THEIR MASK.
I JUST I MEAN I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT IN A BIG OPEN AREA, BY THE WAY.
BUT STILL, I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO WEAR THEIR MASK, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT.
AND YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANY CAPACITY CONTROLS ON YOURSELF? WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE MORE.
I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO MUCH WORK TO TRY TO GET OVER 2000 PEOPLE IN THERE.
I MEAN, I'M GOING TO KEEP IT UNDER FIFTEEN HUNDRED PEOPLE, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT AREA IF I GET THAT MANY.
I THINK 15 TO 17 IS GOING TO BE MY MAX, I THINK.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL REACH THAT GOAL BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S STILL PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT'RE STILL GOING TO BE AFRAID TO GO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY TIED INTO THIS EVENT ALREADY THAT I'VE ALREADY SPENT FROM LAST YEAR THAT I GOT TO GET THE INVESTORS THEIR MONEY BACK.
AND THEN ON SAFETY, HOW MANY--.
WE HAD TALKED TO, I TALKED TO LIEUTENANT AND WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS AT THE BEGINNING AND I THINK WE HAD FIGURED OUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EIGHT TO 12 OFFICERS.
AND IT'LL BE RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA.
I ALWAYS RATHER HAVE MORE THAN NOT ENOUGH.
WE DON'T WE DON'T CATER TO THE YOUNGER PEOPLE.
AND IT'S A LOT EASIER CROWD TO HANDLE.
[INAUDIBLE] OF THE CROWD THAT WE HAD FOR OUR CONCERT IN THE PARK.
RIGHT, RIGHT, JUST LIKE WE DID IT RIGHT HERE WITH--.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO PERFORM TOO.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE CO-HEADLINERS.
BUT IT WON'T BE ON THE GAZEBO STAGE ANYMORE.
[LAUGHTER] NO, IT WON'T BE GAZEBO NO MORE.
I DIDN'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE], BUT I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING WITH IT BECAUSE, I MEAN, WITH THE PARK YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
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WE HAD A THOUSAND PEOPLE THERE WHEN WE HAD THAT SHOW, WHAT WAS IT IN SEPTEMBER? THAT WAS OUR LARGEST SHOW.SO, GENTLEMEN, YOU'VE HEARD FROM MR. LUNA.
WE KNOW WHAT PEACH STREET'S GOING TO DO.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SCALE.
I THINK 250 TO 100000 IS WHAT SHE WAS LOOKING AT, BUT 200 [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, I THINK SOME OF THE SAME MEASURES IN PLACE.
COUNCIL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? MR. MAYOR? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MASS GATHERING PERMITS FOR A CONCERT AT WELCH PARK ON MAY 22ND, 2021, AND FOR THE PEACH STREET FARMERS MARKET NIGHT JAMS ON JUNE 11TH AND 12TH, 2021.
MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON AN APPROVED MASS GATHERING PERMIT AND PAYMENT OF ASSOCIATED FEES? SO AMENDED.
ANYTHING ELSE? CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE: AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
PEACH STREET, GO HAVE AN EVENT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG, NUMBER 24, DISCUSSION ON STREET IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
[24. Discussion on street improvement program.]
I THINK MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT WANTED THIS ON THE AGENDA.YEAH, Y'ALL WOULD PUT ME NUMBER TWENTY FOUR NINE THIRTY SIX P.M..
I NEED TO GO TO WORK SO I MAY HAVE TO STEP AWAY.
I KNEW IT; I'M SURPRISED IT WASN'T THE LAST ITEM.
YOU GOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TALK TO...
COUNCIL HAD APPROVED, I WENT OUT FOR ACTUALLY SOME BONDS FOR SOME STREET PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY A COMMITTEE RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
OUT OF THE PROJECTS WE'VE ACTUALLY COMPLETED THREE OF THE IDENTIFIED PROJECTS.
COMPLETED RICHMOND, COMPLETED SOUTH SIDE DRIVE AND WE ALSO COMPLETED CHENANGO, THE SECTION FROM THE DEAD END TO RICHMOND.
THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER STREETS, RIDGECREST, SAN FELIPE, ROBIN HOOD, CHEVY CHASE, THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS PROJECTS TO BE DONE.
WHENEVER [COUGH] EXCUSE ME, WHENEVER IT BECAME POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY TO GO OUT FOR GLO GRANT MONEY, ONE OF THE PLACES THAT WE WENT OUT FOR WAS DOWNING STREET.
AND DOWNING STREET IS THE MAIN DRAINAGE CARRIER FOR THOSE PARTICULAR STREETS.
ACTUALLY, SAN FELIPE, THAT IS THE MAIN TRUNK LINE THAT GOES DOWN [INAUDIBLE].
SO AT THAT TIME, WE HAD DISCUSSED AND WE KIND OF SAID, WELL, LET'S SEE IF WE GET THE FUNDING, BECAUSE IF WE CAN TIE DRAINAGE IN AND RUN THEM BACK UP THOSE STREETS, WE CAN INCREASE THE SLOPE TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE BIRD BATHING AND WE CAN CATCH MORE WATER, BRING IT DOWN TO DOWNING.
WE'LL HAVE DEEPER, BIGGER PIPES IN THE GROUND THAT CAN CONVEY THAT WATER OUT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE AT ON THAT.
I'M HOPING I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD ANYTHING YET, CHRIS.
I THINK SOME OF THE CITIES ARE STARTING TO MAYBE KIND OF HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FUNDING AVAILABLE IN THE GLO.
SO I'M HOPING IT'S COMING THIS MARCH.
SO, THE THING THAT WE HAVE IS WE COULD DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.
WE CAN WAIT TO SEE IF YOU GET THE FUNDING.
THAT WAY, WE COULD DO SOME MORE STUFF AND IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE IN THERE FROM THE GLO FUNDING.
THE OTHER THING IS WE CAN GO AND REMOVE THEM AND REPLACE THEM AS IS.
THE THING WITH THAT IS YOU'RE BASICALLY SHEET FLOWING EVERYTHING FROM KINSLEY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DOWNING, AND THAT'S A VERY FLAT SPOT, FLAT AREA.
YOU MAY HAVE POTENTIAL OF SOME PONDING.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO EXTEND SOME PIPES UP, WE COULD CREATE A KIND OF A CASCADING EFFECT TO GET A LITTLE MORE SLOPE, GET THAT PONDING OFF.
BUT IT'S THE WAY IT'S DRAINED FOREVER.
WE CAN KEEP GOING IF WE GET IT AT SOME FUTURE TIME, SOME FUND TO DO DOWNING, WE CAN DO SOME [INAUDIBLE] INCREASE, SOME [INAUDIBLE] CAPACITY, PUT IT IN THERE AND HELP THAT SYSTEM OUT.
WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE DOWNING SYSTEM WOULD BE LIKE THIRTEEN POINT SIX MILLION, THIRTEEN POINT EIGHT MILLION, I BELIEVE.
BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THOSE.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ISN'T THERE GOING TO BE MORE CAPACITY UNDERGROUND THAN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NOW? YES.
SO WE WOULD BE HELPING WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THERE TO SOME EXTENT IF WE OPENED IT UP TO WHERE IT DRAINS INTO DOWNING UNDERGROUND.
AND THEN IF WE GET THE GRANT, WE CAN COME IN AND TIE INTO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY
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PUT IN.WELL, ON THAT, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE DEPTH TO PUT THAT IN.
SO BASICALLY, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A PIPE THAT IS GOING TO BE AT AN ELEVATION WHERE IT CAN'T DRAIN OUT.
IT WOULD EVENTUALLY FILL UP WITH DEBRIS AND SILT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DRAIN IT JUST LIKE IT IS A SHEET FLOW.
THE OUTFALL'S YOUR CONTROLLING FACTOR.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DEPTH OR THE CAPACITY OF THE OUTFALL, YOU CAN'T TIE IT IN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RUN IT TO GET THREE FEET PER SECOND TO KEEP AT SELF-CLEANING VELOCITIES.
SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE DEPTH.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN A PROBLEM HERE IN THE CITY BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SO FLAT.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DEPTH TO ALLOW YOU TO SLOPE THAT PIPE UP PROPERLY, TO GET THE WATER TO COME AND TIE IN.
NOW, YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN, WOULD YOU STILL, LIKE I SAID, IT'LL FILL UP EVENTUALLY, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE DRAINING EVERYTHING DOWN THE STREET TO DOWNING.
NOW, DOWNING DOES HAVE A SYSTEM THERE.
LET'S SAY RIDGECREST, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S ON MY MIND, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE NEXT STREET UP AT THE TIME.
SO IF WE PUT IN, EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE GRANT FROM THE GLO ON DOWNING, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ON RIDGECREST FOR DRAINAGE? I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
PROBABLY BE SOMETHING LIKE TWENTY FOUR, THIRTY SIX, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BOX CULVERTS UNDERNEATH? NO--.
STILL DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT PIPING IT DOWN.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST RCP PIPES.
WE WOULD WANT TO PUT A LOW SPOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY OF DRAINING THAT OFF, IT'S JUST GOING TO HOLD WATER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET THAT GRADE WHERE YOU HAVE A GOOD POSITIVE FALL TO YOUR LOW SPOT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT DRAINAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHEET FLOW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DOWNING LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK WHAT WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OUT THERE.
A LOT OF SEVERAL OF THOSE STREETS THROUGH THEIR UNREINFORCED CONCRETE TO START WITH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS UPGRADE WAS EVER STABILIZED PROPERLY, IF IT WAS THE WATER HAS GOTTEN IN THERE AND IT'S ALL GOTTEN MESSED UP.
SO YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN GRADE ON THE STREET IF YOU DON'T HAVE STABLE MATERIAL UNDERNEATH THE PIPE.
I INVITE YOU TO GO, YOU'VE BEEN THERE, THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN LAKE JACKSON.
THEY HAVE BASICALLY GONE BACK AND PUT THE STREETS BACK THE WAY THEY WERE ORIGINALLY.
BUT WHEN YOU GO ANY BUILD BRAND NEW CONCRETE STREETS, ACCORDING TO TODAY'S STANDARDS, YOU SHOULD UPGRADE, STABILIZE, YOU GET A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT AND IT'S GOING TO STAY THERE A LOT LONGER.
THEY ENCOUNTER THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE, WE HAVE VERY FLAT GRADE STREET, WE DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DEPTH TO STORM SEWER.
BUT IN WHAT HAPPENED ON RICHMOND, WAS IT.
IS THAT THE STREET THEY BUILDT.
SO IT WAS IT WAS ALL IT WAS A TANK TRAIL AND NOW IT FLOWS BETTER.
SO THE STREETS OVER IN CHEVY CHASE AREA.
WELL, THEY MAY DRAIN OFF A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, BUT WHEN YOU GET IT, WHEN YOU GET ALL THE HUMPS OUT OF THERE ABOUT REBUILDING THE STREET, [INAUDIBLE]THERE.
AND JOHN IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, YOU COULD EXTEND THE STORM SEWER UP THERE.
ALL THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S JUST GOING TO FILL UP AND SIT THERE FULL OF WATER TILL THE DOWNSTREAM WATER GOES AWAY AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LEAVES AND BASEBALLS AND STUFF SITTING IN THERE THAT WASH IN.
IT'LL GIVE JEFF SOMETHING TO USE THE STREET SWEEPER ON OVER THERE WHEN HE GETS THAT NEW STREET CLEANER.
I GUESS REALLY, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE LOST MOMENTUM ON OUR STREETS AND WE HAVE THAT MONEY SITTING THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG WE HAVE WITH THAT MONEY BEFORE WE START GETTING PENALIZED ON IT.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW CHRIS OR SUSIE OR FIVE MORE YEARS? SO I JUST DON'T WANT US TO SIT BACK AND WAIT ON A DRAINAGE STUDY TO COME THROUGH OR A DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT GRANT, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE FOR THE CITIZENS, WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN BRING A PROPOSAL TO DO RICHMOND OR
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RIDGECREST, I'M SORRY, AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH THE STREETS WEST OF DOWNING FOR SURE.WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ONE.
THIRTEEN MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DRAINAGE STUDY, DRAINAGE WORK FOR I'M LOOKING AT THE [INAUDIBLE] WHOEVER PAYS FOR IT, WHETHER IT FALLS [INAUDIBLE] DOESN'T IMPACT ANYBODY'S WALLET, BUT.
AND LIKE CECIL SAID, IT'S AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S DRAINED THAT WAY FOR 50 YEARS.
WE CAN GO BACK, PUT IT IN THERE, WE CAN GET THE LITTLE HUMPS OUT IT WILL DRAIN BETTER.
IT'S JUST NOT TO THE SAME STANDARDS AS WHAT WE WOULD DO IF WE HAD [INAUDIBLE] MY QUESTION IS, SO GOING OUT TO GLO, OK, FOR FUNDING? POTENTIALLY.
ON THE DOWNING STREET, ON THE BIG MAJOR DOWNING STREET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING TO SEE IF WE GET THE MONEY.
IF WE GET THE MONEY ON DOWNING, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PUT IN A DEEPER, MORE SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE STRUCTURE ON DOWNING BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING ACTUALLY THE OUTFALL DOWN DOWNING TURN GO DOWN SAN FELIPE.
IT'LL CROSS UNDER HIGHWAY THIRTY FIVE, CONTINUE ON BACK.
WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD A BIG GIANT DETENTION POND AND TIE IN AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOME DEPTH CREATED BY DOING THAT.
AND WE'D ALSO HAVE MORE CAPACITY TO WHERE WE CAN DO THAT.
RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS REAL SHALLOW.
GUESS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, WHAT IF WE DON'T GET THAT MONEY.
WE CAN DO THAT NOW IF WE WANTED TO.
THAT YOU THOUGHT WE'D START FINDING OUT IN MARCH.
I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN.
YOU FIND OUT WHEN YOU FIND OUT.
SOME POINT, WE'VE GOT [INAUDIBLE] AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN JUST KEEP WAITING, WE CAN JUST KEEP WAITING.
CROSS OUR FINGERS AND HOPE IT COMES.
AND LET ME JUST PUT SOME BACK HISTORY TO THIS.
WHEN WE GOT THE FUNDING WE HAVE FOR BOND, WE ACTUALLY HAD A PRIORITY LIST OF STREETS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF.
AND THEN IT WAS GOING TO BE RICHMOND, SOUTH SIDE AROUND DOWNING.
BUT THEN WHEN THE DYNAMICS CHANGED AROUND THE COURTHOUSE FOR CHENANGO.
WE HAD TO PULL BACK ON THAT START.
NOW, LET'S GO LET'S GO OVER TO RICHMOND AND LET'S GO OVER SOUTH SIDE DRIVE.
AND THEN THE THINKING WAS WHEN SCOTT WAS HERE, LET'S HOLD THAT MONEY.
LET'S KIND OF SEE WHAT THE DOWNING STUDIES SHOW US, BECAUSE WE MAY WANT TO MOVE SOME USE THAT MONEY THERE OR LET'S SEE WHAT THE CHENANGO WAS GOING TO DO.
DO WE NEED TO SAVE THAT MONEY TO PUT IN FOR THAT PROJECT? SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WE JUST NEED TO PRIORITIZE BASED ON WHAT WE WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WE KNOW WHAT THE LIST WAS, BUT NOW DO WE NOW TO JUST DO A RESET AND LET'S FIGURE OUT NOW DO WE MOVE WITH RIDGECREST? DO WE WAIT FOR GLO.
IT'S USUALLY MARCH, YOU SAID, WHEN THEY START RELEASING LIST OF POTENTIAL CANDIDATES.
YEAH, AND THAT'S THE WHISPERINGS.
IS THERE ANY STREET WE COULD DO THAT IS NOT CONTINGENT ON THE GLO? ANYTHING WEST OF DOWNING ROAD.
ANYTHING WEST OF DOWNING ROAD.
AND THAT'S REASON I ASK BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT, WE COULD MAYBE PROCEED WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE LIST THAT Y'ALL HAD DRAFTED OR CREATED AND BUT IS NOT CONTINGENT ON WAITING ON, YOU KNOW, THE STUDY FROM THE GLO TO PROCEED.
BUT THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES IF WE DO RIDGECREST AND LET'S SAY THAT WE GET THE MONEY, WE ALREADY DESIGNED RIDGECREST UP NOT TO GET NOT WITH IN CONJUNCTION OF DOWNING.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO THEN? THOSE TWO BIG PROJECTS? SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
YOU KNOW, WE THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE CAN DISCUSS IT JOHN MAYBE AND CHRIS AND STAFF CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN A, PLAN B, AND WE FIGURE OUT WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MOMENTUM BECAUSE PEOPLE STREETS WEST OF DOWNING ROAD DRAIN TO DOWNING ROAD.
YOU YOU GONNA BRING THE WATER.
YOU GONNA BRING THE WATER THERE ANY HOW.
I MEAN, WE COULD SET IT UP, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD JUST PUT IT IN, YOU KNOW, BRING IT IN JUST LIKE IT IS, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISH THE GRADES BACK TO WHERE THERE'S NO HIGHS AND LOWS.
AND THEN IF YOU DO GET SOME FUNDING TO DO DOWNING SOMEWHERE DOWN THE FUTURE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS INCREASE THE INLET CAPACITY THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING ANYWAYS.
LET ME ASK YOU, IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SAN FELIPE, RIDGECREST OR CHEVY CHASE, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? I THINK YOU GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK ANY TIME IMPROVE BY A SCHOOL.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE CHEVY CHASE AND SAN FELIPE ARE BAD YEAH, THEY'RE PRETTY BAD.
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YES.THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE SITTING HERE GOING WELL, FUNDS ARE LIMITED, YOU KNOW.
NOW SAN FELIPE IS FROM TINSLEY ALL THE WAY TO 35.
THAT'S THE SAME ROUTE THAT MAJOR SYSTEM FOLLOWS.
AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS, THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT HAS ALREADY TOLD US THEY CAN FIX THAT, WOULD JOINTLY FIX THAT STUFF AT COUNTY ROAD 210.
THEY AGREE THAT COULD BE A RELATIVELY EASY FIX.
AND THAT MAY BE PART OF USING SOME OF THAT MONEY.
AT LEAST WE CAN STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME TANGIBLE THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN SEE.
WE ARE WORKING ON THESE STREETS BECAUSE WE TOOK A BEATING WHEN WE SAID WE WEREN'T GOING TO IMPROVE STREETS, THEY THOUGHT WE WOULD TAKE IT AWAY.
SO WE WANT TO KEEP IT GOING WHERE IT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENTS.
PEOPLE SEEING THAT WE'RE USING THE MONEY.
AND I THINK IF YOU START LOOKING NOW WITH RIDGECREST, YOU COULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION BY NEXT YEAR'S SUMMER.
SO WE DON'T DISRUPT AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE SCHOOL YEAR BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT WE COULD PUT A SCHEDULE TOGETHER.
YEAH, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND THAT.
WHEN WE COME BACK THE NEXT MEETING AND PROVIDE A LIST OF PROPOSALS.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE STREET IMPROVEMENT GROUP, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I DON'T [INAUDIBLE].
SO THE OTHER ADDITION IS WE SENT OUR OVERLAY PROGRAM TO THE COUNTY.
I THINK THEY'RE APPROVING IT THIS WEEK AND THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK SHORTLY WITH THIS YEAR.
WE'RE KIND OF BEHIND A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THIS YEAR'S LIST.
AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME STREETS [INAUDIBLE].
YES, WE HAD ONE ON THERE THAT I HAD ALREADY TOLD THE RESIDENT THAT WAS ON THE LIST AND IT GOT CHANGED AND I WAS JUST THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ALREADY KIND OF SIGNED UP FOR.
AND THEN, I GUESS COUNTY CHANGED THE AMOUNT OF MILES AND IT GOT TAKEN OFF.
[INAUDIBLE] STRICTLY TO TWO POINT ZERO ZERO ZERO MILES.
IT WASN'T WASN'T VINE, I DON'T THINK.
WHAT'S THE OTHER STREET GROVE.
OK, WELL, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A PLAN NOW, TWO WEEKS WE'LL SEE SOMETHING TANGIBLE.
THANKS, JOHN, AND THANKS FOR STICKING OUT WITH US.
I MISSED OUT ON THE DEER SAUSAGE.
YEAH, WELL, THOSE TWO CALLED EACH OTHER.
I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T GET A CALL.
IT'S THAT WALKING QUORUM THING WE CAN'T DO THAT.
MAYBE WE CAN BE OUT OF HERE BY 10:15.
MAYBE I'M DRAGGING THIS OUT, BUD.
NUMBER 25 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER 20210309-025 IN SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION FOR THE CREATION OF A MUNICIPAL UTILITY
[25. Discussion and possible action on Resolution No. 20210309-025 in support of legislation for the creation of the Municipal Utility District 82 in the extraterritorial jurisdiction of the City of Angleton, Brazoria County, Texas and on a letter of no objection for creation of MUD 82.]
DISTRICT 82 IN THE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, TEXAS.AND ON A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION FOR CREATION MUD NUMBER 82.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A REQUEST FOR SUPPORT.
IT'S A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE CREATION OF MUD EIGHTY TWO.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MUD 82 WOULD NEED TO HAVE THIS LETTER OF NO OBJECTION FROM THE CITY TO GO ALONG WITH THEIR LEGISLATIVE PAPERWORK THAT THEY NEED BEFORE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR CONFIRMATION ELECTION.
SO WITH US TONIGHT, WE HAVE NANCY CARTER, WHO IS THE MUD ATTORNEY WHO CAN EXPLAIN IT A LOT BETTER THAN I CAN.
BUT IN MY MIND, I EQUATE THIS LETTER OF NO OBJECTION SIMILARLY TO WHEN WE APPLY FOR GRANTS, WE NEED A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT IN ORDER TO EVEN APPLY FOR IT.
SO IT'S SIMILAR IN THEORY TO THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER.
WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] MUD IT WAS A LETTER OF SUPPORT, I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FOR THAT ONE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, SO I'LL TRY TO BE VERY BRIEF.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] LAW GROUP AND I REPRESENT VENTANA DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE DEVELOPER HERE TODAY WHO CAN TRY TO ANSWER ANY
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QUESTIONS.OUR INTENT TODAY IS ACTUALLY NOT TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF DETAILS RELATING TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A FORMAL PROCESS THROUGH STAFF AND P & Z AND WE WANT TO HONOR THAT PROCESS OF FOLLOW YOUR PROCEDURES TO BE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES AND I'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THEM TODAY RELATED TO WATER SUPPLY LOT SIZE, ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE MOVING PARTS WITH YOUR STAFF AND P & Z OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS REALLY A TIMING ISSUE.
AS YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE ONLY MEETS ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS AND THERE'S A TIMELINE ON WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ADJOURN.
SO THEY'LL ADJOURN AT THE END OF MAY.
AND SO BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF MAY, WE'VE GOT A REALLY SHORT WINDOW OF TIME TO GET LEGISLATION PASSED TO CREATE A MUD.
THERE ARE MANY MUDS THAT GET CREATED AT THE TEXAS CAPITAL.
AND BECAUSE THEY CREATE SO MANY MUD, THEY'VE SIMPLIFIED THE PROCESS AND THEY'VE CREATED A STANDARD FORM.
AND SO I THINK IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, YOU SEE THERE'S A SAMPLE LEGISLATION AND THIS IS THE TEXAS CAPITALS TEMPLATE MUD.
AND SO GENERALLY IT FOLLOWS A FORM THAT THE CAPITAL ATTORNEYS HAVE COME UP WITH.
AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME PROVISIONS.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE SECOND PAGE, IT SAYS THAT THE CONSENT OF THE MUNICIPALITY IS REQUIRED BEFORE THE MUD CAN HOLD A CONFIRMATION ELECTION.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY.
YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO WORK THROUGH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES BEFORE YOU FORMALLY GRANT CONSENT TO THE MUD.
WELL, WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS JUST A NO OBJECTION LETTER THAT WILL GIVE THE STATE LEGISLATORS SOME COMFORT THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING AGAINST YOUR WISHES AND PUSHING THE LEGISLATION ALONG.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE LETTER TODAY IS STEP ONE TO PUSH THE LEGISLATION THROUGH.
IF IT PASSES, IT WILL PASS WITH THIS PARAGRAPH, MEANING WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU TO REQUEST FORMAL CONSENT.
AND SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I HOPE THAT'S SHORT ENOUGH FOR YOU AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE DEVELOPER HERE TODAY TO ANSWER ANY POTENTIAL QUESTIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE ARE IN EARLY STAGES OF PLANNING AT THIS POINT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TONIGHT FOR SURE.
WE'VE ALREADY ENTERED INTO AGREEMENTS ON THESE ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS WITH THE RESIDENTS, WITH THE OWNERS ON SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT IN THE EVENT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES INTO THE CITY.
AND I WAS WONDERING, ARE YOU ALL AWARE OF THAT? I HAVE.
THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THAT.
AND CERTAINLY THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DEVELOPERS DUE DILIGENCE.
ACTUALLY, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO IT, BECAUSE IT TURNED UP IN THE TITLE SURVEY, THERE WAS A I THINK THERE WAS AN OLD PLATED COMMUNITY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WHEN I SAY OLD, I MEAN, GOING BACK TO I THINK 1920, OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS NEVER DEVELOPED.
AND THEN AGAIN EXCUSE ME, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME TO VERIFY ALL THIS, BUT I THINK SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF IT WAS SOMEHOW MENTIONED THIS SUBDIVISION WAS MENTIONED IN SOME SUBSEQUENT DOCUMENT WITH WITH THE CITY, AND IT ALLUDED TO AN ANNEXATION, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE ANNEX PART WAS A PROBABLY A 20 LOT PLAT, A GRID WITHIN THE HEART OF THIS.
SO THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THIS WAS JUST DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
[INAUDIBLE] NO OBJECTIONS TO US ANNEXING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE CITY LIMITS.
AND IN PART OF THE TIMING WITH THIS ISSUE IS I THINK THAT WE DID LOOK INTO THE 2019 BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AND THE COUNCIL MATERIALS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENSION OF THE CITY LIMITS THAT PUSHED THE ETJ FURTHER OUT.
SO ACTUALLY NONE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE MUD ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE CITY LIMITS.
IT DID PUSH THE ETJ FURTHER INTO THIS PROPERTY.
AND SO ACTUALLY WHEN WE STARTED THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS, ALMOST NONE OF THE PROPERTY WAS IN THE ETJ.
BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE 2019 BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, THAT PUSHED ALMOST THE MAJORITY OF IT INTO THE ETJ, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
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JOHN.IT WAS ONLY SO MANY FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S MARKED IN THIS DARK BLACK OUTLINE ON THE MAP.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.
YOU'RE ACCESSING ON 521, RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET TO THIS, ARE YOU ARE YOU LOOKING TO TXDOT TO PROVIDE ACCESS OFF 288? WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A PERMIT FROM TXDOT FOR A RIGHT OF WAY BREAK FOR ACCESS DIRECTLY UP 288.
IT'S JUST IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE TONIGHT, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE EVEN WORKING ON THIS AND ASKING FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT TONIGHT IS KIND OF DIFFICULT, NOT NOT SEEING PLANS OF WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN OR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFICULT THING TO DO.
AND NANCY CAN KEEP ME HONEST HERE THIS BY IN BY NO MEANS HANDCUFFS THE CITY TO ANY FORM OR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS JUST STRICTLY JUST KIND OF AN ENTITLEMENT PROCESS.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS WORTH OF DUE DILIGENCE AHEAD OF US IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LANDOWNER AT THE END OF WHICH WE WOULD PURCHASE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT NEGOTIATION WITH THE LANDOWNER, WE PROMISED TO DO A NUMBER OF DUE DILIGENCE ITEMS, ENTITLEMENT BEING ONE OF THOSE.
AND THIS IS THAT THIS IS A STEP OF THAT.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T TIE YOUR HANDS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN OR CAN'T DO OR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AS NANCY MENTIONED EARLIER, WE FULLY INTEND TO GO THROUGH THE FULL P&Z PROCESS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT DONE, COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND WHICH WE'LL HAVE SOME SHINY PICTURES AND, YOU KNOW, SOME A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
WE'RE STILL FINISHING UP THE SURVEYING ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT AFFECTS THE LAND PLAN AS WELL.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF PIPELINES AND SUCH THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH.
MENTIONED BEFORE WE HAVE THAT VERY EARLY DISCUSSIONS WITH BWA IN TERMS OF POSSIBLY PURCHASING WATER FROM THEM, SINCE IT RUNS LITERALLY RIGHT BY OUR FRONT DOOR, PORTABLE WATER.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT PAST THE KICKING TIRE STAGE.
WE'RE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
BUT BEFORE I CAME TO THE COUNCIL, I WANTED TO DEFINITELY HAVE MORE OF MY DUCKS IN A ROW.
BUT THE TIMING OF THE LEGISLATURE AND THE END OF THIS LEGISLATION IN PARTICULAR KIND OF FORCED OUR HANDS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE, IT'S VERY CLEARLY SAYS YOU CAN WITHHOLD YOUR CONSENT.
SO IF YOU GO AHEAD THEY STILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND WE STILL HAVE ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS TO SAY NO.
YEAH, IT WAS JUST I THINK I'M LOOKING AT OPTICS OF SAYING I SUPPORT YOU.
GO CREATE YOUR MUD AND COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY OR, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPORT.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A VOTE OF SUPPORT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT YET.
BUT REALLY, THE KEY THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS NO CURRENT OBJECTION.
AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT ACTING IN GOOD FAITH TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR STAFF, YOU'RE WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS TO RESCIND THAT LETTER OF NO OBJECTION AT ANY TIME.
YOU CAN CALL UP REPRESENTATIVE [INAUDIBLE] OR SENATOR TAYLOR AT ANY TIME AND SAY, NO, WE'RE NO LONGER IN THAT POSITION AND WE WOULD RESPECT THAT.
AND JOHN, I DID SEE SOMETHING ON THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE WE CAN'T ALL.
SO I WAS AWARE AND I COULDN'T SAY A WHOLE LOT, SO BUT THIS DIDN'T POP UP OVERNIGHT.
IT'S BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS IN THE PROCESS.
THINGS THAT I GET PRIVY TO THAT YOU GUYS DON'T GET TO SEE.
LET ME REPHRASE THAT HOW DOES WILLY WONKA GO, LET ME REVERSE THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? JUST KNOW A FEW PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE SO CURIOUS.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME RIFF-RAFF UP THERE.
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I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, [INAUDIBLE] LINDSAY I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ANSWER THIS.KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S AROUND THE CITY OF ANGLETON Y'ALL DISCUSSED EARLIER IN SOME OF OUR ONE OF OUR SECTIONS.
[INAUDIBLE] NOTES HERE, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT MUDS SURROUNDING THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
I THINK THERE WAS A 13 THROWN IN THERE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THIS SITS WITH THOSE OTHER MUDS AND HOW LONG THOSE HAVE BEEN 76 I SEE.
JUST FROM WHAT I KNOW COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING NORTH OF 523 FROM 35 ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO 288 BACK ACROSS THE UP TO THIS POINT, THEY ALREADY ALL HAVE MUDS .
SOME OF THE MUDS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
THEY'VE JUST BEEN SITTING DORMANT 13 OR 14.
AND WHAT I KNOW IS ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, I MEAN I JUST KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE, SO AND THEN THAT NUMBER IS NOT HOW MANY 78 ARE HERE IN THE CITY.
IT'S JUST THE NUMBER THEY GAVE FOR WHAT'S IN THE COUNTY.
SO IT'S JUST A RUNNING TOTAL HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND SO I THINK IN MY MIND, THAT IS ACTUALLY A POSITIVE TOWARDS THIS MUD BECAUSE IT'S JUST ANOTHER MUD THAT'S KIND OF BE DEVELOPED.
BUT I PROBABLY, UNLIKE MANY OTHERS IN THE COUNCIL, I HAVE A LITTLE MORE HESITANCY TO UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTED GROWTH, SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF MINE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THE MUD IS CREATED FOR THEM TO HAVE A FINANCING MECHANISM [INAUDIBLE].
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THERE'S JUST FOR THAT FINANCING PIECE.
[INAUDIBLE] SO I'D LIKE TO APPROACH THE DAIS AND SHOW YOU WHAT MUDS THERE ARE TO THE NORTH.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, IT'S BEYOND OUR CONTROL ONCE THIS MUD IS CREATED BY LEGISLATURE, WE WE CAN'T ENACT ANYTHING ON THIS MUD IF THE LEGISLATURE IS CREATED, IS THAT CORRECT? NO.
SO THE LEGISLATURE SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THE CITIES WEREN'T LEFT IN THE DUST BY THIS ACTION, WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE AND THERE'S TWO PLACES ACTUALLY WHERE THE STATE KEEPS THE CITY IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE TWO, THERE'S THE CONSENT OF THE MUNICIPALITY REQUIRED THAT GOES TO THE DISTRICT CAN'T EVEN CALL A CONFIRMATION ELECTION UNTIL THEY GET THE FORMAL CITY CONSENT.
SO WITHOUT THE CONFIRMATION ELECTION, THE MUD JUST IS DEAD IN THE WATER.
AND THEN LATER IN THE DRAFT LEGISLATION, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CAPITAL STANDARD FORM.
ON PAGE SIX, THERE'S A SECTION .
105 COMPLIANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL CONSENT ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION.
SO THIS IS THE TEETH THAT SAYS WHATEVER ELSE IS IN THAT CONSENT, THE MUD HAS TO COMPLY WITH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S FULLY OUR INTENT TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS ONCE WE'VE WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES WITH YOUR APPROPRIATE CHANNELS AND, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH ALL OF THESE ISSUES IN A COMPREHENSIVE MANNER.
WHAT I'M WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS SO WE HAD A MUD THAT WAS CREATED AT ONE POINT AND ANOTHER DEVELOPER CAME IN AND WANTED TO USE THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT WE DID IS WE BASICALLY TOOK THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION DOWN TO MINIMAL SIZE AND THEN RECREATED A NEW DESCRIPTION, LEGAL BOUNDARIES FOR THE NEW MUD.
CAN WE DO THAT IF IT'S MADE IF IT'S CREATED BY THE LEGISLATURE? YEAH, A MUD DOES HAVE STANDARD ANNEXATION AND EXCLUSION AUTHORITY, SO THAT'S BY STATE LAW.
THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM, GENTLEMEN, SO WHATEVER YOU ALL'S PLEASURE IS.
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I'LL JUST SAY REAL QUICK, THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND.THIS IS AN EARLY NIGHT COMPARED TO SOME NIGHTS.
MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 20210309-025 IN SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION FOR THE CREATION OF THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT 82 IN EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, ANGLETON BRAZORIA COUNTY TEXAS, AND FOR A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION FOR THE CREATION OF THAT MUD.
HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY ON THEIR STANDARDS? I HAVE NOT.
WE MET WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND MET WITH COUNTY STAFF PRIOR TO THOSE CHANGES, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW WERE ACTUALLY IN THE WORKS AT THE TIME, OR ELSE WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THOSE UP.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME WORK AHEAD OF US IN TERMS OF THAT.
BUT THERE IS AN OVERALL PROJECT, MAYBE 15 PERCENT OF IT, PLUS OR MINUS IS WOULD BE WITHIN THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION IN THAT REGARD.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDING ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND TIMING OF DEVELOPMENT MAY BE A FACTOR, MAYBE NOT.
OK, AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU STICKING AROUND TONIGHT.
AND SINCE IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE MET YOU ALL, WELCOME TO ANGLETON.
I WOULD I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE I KNOW YOU'RE WANTING TO WORK WITH US ON SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE WATER ISSUES.
AND I JUST LIKE TO GET TO KNOW THIS THIS GROUP A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL BE DOING A LOT OF WORK TOGETHER.
AND FIRST OF ALL, MY APOLOGIES.
CERTAINLY MY INTENT FIRST TO MEET WITH THE MAYOR AND THEN I WAS KIND OF REDIRECTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOP.
AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMING AND THE [INAUDIBLE] ON THIS, WE NEEDED TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL SOONER AS OPPOSED TO LATER.
AND CERTAINLY MY INTENTION TO SIT DOWN WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU INTRODUCE MYSELF GREW UP IN BAY CITY RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, GOT A LOT OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT HAVE BEEN IN ANGLETON.
A BUDDY OF MINE HAS BEEN ON ME TO COME DOWN HERE AND DEVELOP.
IN FACT, I'VE MET WITH THE MAYOR BEFORE ON IT, ON THE ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL COULD NEVER COME TO TERMS WITH THE LANDOWNER.
SO WE'VE BEEN CIRCLING ANGLETON FOR A LONG TIME.
AND WE'RE NOT JUST A JOHNNY COME LATELY.
WE'VE ALREADY WE BELIEVED IN THIS MARKET FOR QUITE A WHILE.
AND WE THINK THAT WE FINALLY FOUND A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT KIND OF THE GOLDILOCKS ONE.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT REALLY WELL.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE.
ALSO, BE REMISS IF I DON'T CORRECT THE RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION IS NOT CORRECT, IN MY OPINION.
THE 911 ACRES OF LAND, SAY, IN HERE SAYS WEST OF 521, EAST OF 288.
IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND WEST OF 288.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO AMEND THAT MOTION.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT THREW ME OFF AT FIRST, I WAS LIKE, OK, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND I HAVE A SECOND.
WE HAVE A CORRECTION TO THE RESOLUTION.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? HEARING THAT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
THAT MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ONE.
AND THAT BRINGS US TO OUR ADJOURNMENT AT 10:14.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.