Apr 27, 2021 City Council

QUESTIONS OR SOMEONE HAVE QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS? WELL, MY QUESTION WAS HOW WHAT IS THE TIME LENGTH OF THIS APPROVAL GOING TO BE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN PROBABLY THREE YEARS? WE'RE IN THE SECOND PHASE, RIGHT.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TXDOT PROJECT? YES.

YEAH, RIGHT.

THE SECOND YEAR OF THIS IS A NEW GRANT, SO IT'S A NEW OPPORTUNITY AND IT SORT OF IS SORT OF HAND IN GLOVE WITH OUR LIVABLE CENTER STUDY AND ALSO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THIS JUST HAPPENED TO BE VERY TIMELY.

AND THEN IT CAME ALONG RIGHT AFTER YOU ALL ADOPTED THAT.

SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WE'VE PASSED ANY PRELIMINARY HURDLES AND BEEN INVITED TO SUBMIT A GRANT SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE SIDEWALK REVITALIZATION TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND TO BE ADA COMPLIANT.

AND THIS IS I DID I PULLED THIS FROM CONSENT FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, BUT ONE

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WAS FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T GONE INTO THE FULL NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

AND SO FOR THOSE CITIZENS THAT ARE THAT HAVE ASKED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

AND THIS IS A SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT BASICALLY ON BOTH SIDES OF NORTH VELASCO THROUGH DOWNTOWN.

I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THE TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE PROJECT WILL BE.

AND I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC OUTREACH EVENTS SCHEDULED, INCLUDING ONE THIS THURSDAY THAT CHRIS AND I ARE PARTICIPATING IN.

THERE'S BEEN A SURVEY MONKEY SURVEY, SURVEY GO OUT BOTH FROM MY WEBSITE AND ALSO THROUGH THE CHAMBER.

AND THERE WILL BE A WALKING PETITION THAT OUR CHAMBER.

LEADERSHIP HAS OFFERED TO DO WITH OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES.

AND ALSO, CHRIS HAS DONE A QUICK PRESENTATION TO ANGLETON ROTARY AND WE'LL DO SOMETHING MORE IN-DEPTH AND THEY'RE GOING TO SIGN A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR.

SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS INFORMATION NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE FOR THE COMMUNITY BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SUBMIT THE GRANT.

SO SPECIFICALLY, LET ME SHARE WITH YOU THE PROPOSED PROJECT WE ARE SUBMITTING WILL CONSTRUCT APPROXIMATELY 2250 LINEAR FEET OF TEN FOOT WIDE REINFORCED CONCRETE SIDEWALK ALONG BOTH SIDES OF BUSINESS, 288 OR NORTH VELASCO STREET FROM EAST LOCUST TO EAST ORANGE STREET IN DOWNTOWN ANGLETON.

THE PROJECT WILL INCLUDE FOUR CROSSWALKS WITH EIGHT ADA CURB RAMPS AND SIGNAGE AT THE INTIRZECTION OF S.H.

THIRTY FIVE OR EAST MULBERRY STREET.

THERE WILL BE ELEVEN CROSSWALKS AND TWENTY TWO ADA CURB RAMPS ADDED TO CROSS LOCAL STREETS AND ALLEYS.

ABOVE STREET LEVEL AND OVERHEAD LIGHTING WILL BE STRATEGICALLY ADDED.

AND THE PROJECT GOAL IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE SAFE MOVEMENT OF PEDESTRIANS BETWEEN GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS ADJACENT PROFESSIONAL AND RETAIL BUSINESSES AND POPULAR RESTAURANTS.

EVERYONE KNOWS HOW BAD THAT LITTLE STRIP OF [LAUGHTER].

SO WE NEED YOUR PERMISSION TO SUBMIT THIS GRANT APPLICATION AND WE WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET THE PROJECT DONE WELL, IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE LIVABLE CENTER.

WHO DESIGNS THE PROJECT ONCE IT IS APPROVED.

SO WE HAVE TO CARE FOR ADMIN AND ENGINEERING.

SO ONCE WE GET ACCEPTED FOR THE GRANT, WE'LL HAVE OUR [INAUDIBLE].

SO IT'LL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY TXDOT, HAS TO BE DESIGNED ACCORDING TO THEIR STANDARDS, WHICH WERE VERY STRINGENT.

YES, BECAUSE THAT IS A TXDOT RIGHT AWAY STREET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY ARE THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF MAINTAINING THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

SO I'VE ALREADY BEGUN THE COMMUNICATION PROCESS.

SO THE COMPANY THAT HELPS US OUT WITH THIS STUFF.

APPLICATION GOT THE GRANT IN ROCKVILLE AND OTHER CITIES.

VERY FAMILIAR WITH MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 20210427-007.

I SECOND THE MOTION [INAUDIBLE].

I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AYE ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES.

A CONTRACT TO WILSON BUILDING SERVICES INC FOR THE E CEDAR STREET SIDEWALK

[8. Discussion and possible action to award a contract to Wilson Building Services, Inc. for the E. Cedar Street Sidewalk Project, not to exceed $80,000.00 and authorize the City Manager to execute the document.]

PROJECT AND NOT TO EXCEED EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS AN AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE DOCUMENT.

OK, SO ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER TRANSPARENCY THING FOR THE CITIZENS IS THIS IS THE SIDEWALK ON CEDAR THAT'S GOING FROM THE LIBRARY.

WHERE EAST TO DOWNING STREET, CORRECT?

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YES, FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF E CEDAR, FROM 250 FEET WEST OF [INAUDIBLE] STREET TO DOWNING STREET ACROSS CEDAR ON THE WEST SIDE OF DOWNING STREET.

SO IN THAT.

YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

AND ONE OF THESE I HAD A QUESTION ON THIS FOR A REASON.

AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE BUDGET AMOUNTS NOT TO EXCEED FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THE FUNDS REQUEST IS NOT TO EXCEED EIGHT THOUSAND.

WHY SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE? THAT'S A MATCH OUR FUND REQUEST FROM THE CITY WOULD BE NOT TO EXCEED EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

BUT IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WE'VE ALREADY MET OUR MATCH ON THIS GRANT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE WITH THE GULF COAST CENTER.

AND SO WE PAID FOR THE ENGINEERING PORTION OF IT UP FRONT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DUE ON THE COMPLETION SIDE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION AND COMPLETION SIDE.

AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ATTACHED DOCUMENT THAT THE ACTUAL BID AMOUNT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO WE CAME IN ON THE ON THE GOOD SIDE OF THAT.

NOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN MORE OFTEN? I'M WORKING ON IT.

NOW, I KNOW THIS IS THE SECOND SECOND BIDDER, RIGHT? YES.

WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE FIRST AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND NOW ARE WE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NOW.

THE GOODMAN COMPANY, FULLY VETTED THEM AND SHARED WHAT THEY FOUND WITH US.

AND WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WILSON BUILDING SERVICES.

OK, AND ONE LAST QUESTION THAT CAME UP FROM A RESIDENT THAT LIVES ALONG, HEARST.

THE KIDS FROM THE CENTRAL ELEMENTARY COME ACROSS SOMETIMES ON, I WANT TO SAY ROCK ISLAND OR I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ROAD.

[INAUDIBLE] IS IT TINSLEY? SOMETIMES I WALK.

IS THERE ANY STRIPING? WE'RE GOING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, SAFE CROSSWALKS ALONG WHERE WE PUT THE SIDEWALK IN AT TO GET ACROSS CEDAR.

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.

YES, CHRIS.

SO WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WITH THE FUNDS LEFT OVER AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS, MAKE SURE IT GETS BROUGHT UP.

YEP, YOU BET.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? THIS IS ALSO GOING TO ADDRESS SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES OVER THE YEARS, SO IT'LL BE GOOD.

SOMEBODY ASKED, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK? I THINK IT'S FIVE FEET CURRENTLY, RIGHT.

I'M NOT SURE, KRISTIE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED FOR FIVE FEET, BUT I CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER BACK.

THE.

AT A BUS STOP [INAUDIBLE] MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE E CEDAR STREET SIDEWALK PROJECT NOT TO EXCEED EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS AND APPROVE THE CONTRACT FOR WILSON BUILDING SERVICES.

SECOND, THE MOTION.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK, JOHN, THAT REQUEST BY THE BUS STOP, IT'S OVER CLOSER TO THE LIBRARY BECAUSE OF THE WOMAN CENTER PLACED RIGHT THERE.

ITS ON THE VALDERAS SIDE.

IT GETS THEM TO THE LIBRARY CORNER.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

SO, PATTY, CAN YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR TASK LIST TO LOOK AT THE CROSSWALK THERE.

I MADE A NOTE.

JUST FOR JEFF.

IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, CAN WE PAINT THE CROSSWALKS OURSELVES IF NEED BE ON OUR STREETS? WELL.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AYE ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES EITHER MY EARS WERE PLUGGED OR SOMETHING, BUT I CAN HEAR MYSELF NOW.

NUMBER 10, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDING THE HAZARD MITIGATION ACTION

[10. Discussion and possible action on amending the Hazard Mitigation Action Plan. (Part 1 of 2)]

PLAN.

COUNCIL.[INAUDIBLE] ONCE AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY FOR THE CITIZENS, THE HAZARD MITIGATION ACTION PLAN IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.

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EXACTLY.

IT WAS ADOPTED AT COUNCIL BACK IN 2018.

IT'S A LENGTHY CATCH, ALL OF MITIGATION PLANS.

AND AS MORE OF THEM EMERGE, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.

WE CAN ADD MORE PLANS TO IT.

SO THIS IS WE'RE TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

WE SEND THESE ADOPTIONS ONCE THEY'RE APPROVED TO COUNCIL, WE SEND THEM [INAUDIBLE] AND THEY AGAIN GET IT APPROVED BY FEMA.

IT'S A PRETTY SEAMLESS PROCESS.

SO IT'S A GREAT WAY TO KEEP OUR MITIGATION PLAN UP TO DATE AND THEN WE NEED TO REDO IT IN ABOUT TWO MORE YEARS.

IT'LL HAVE THESE FRESH PROJECTS, PLUS WHAT OTHER PROJECTS WE WANT TO PUT IN THERE.

AND I THINK YOU SHOULD GIVE YOURSELF SOME CREDIT HERE AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT ALL THIS HARD WORK YOU ARE PUTTING IN ON THIS.

THIS IS WHAT REALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WONDERING, WHAT IS ANGLETON SECRET AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING? AND THIS IS SOME OF WHAT WE'VE WE DO BEHIND THE SCENES.

AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE FOREFRONT THAT THE CITIZENS REALIZE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING WHENEVER WE HAVE A DISASTER, YOU KNOW, EVERY SIX MONTHS.

SO CAN YOU JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE NEW ONES? YOU'RE ADDING, OK, WE DISCOVERED, OVER THE WINTER STORM, SOMETHING WE'VE KNOWN ALL ALONG.

WE DON'T HAVE A GENERATOR GIVING US POWER AT THE RECREATION CENTER AND OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING WHERE WITH SOME OTHER MONEY, WE'RE PUTTING SWITCHES IN TO THESE LOCATIONS SO THAT WE CAN HOOK GENERATORS UP TO THEM.

AND THEN WE'LL COMPETE FOR GRANTS SO THAT WE CAN PUT GENERATORS PERMANENTLY INSTALLED THERE SO THAT WHEN WE LOSE POWER DURING A HURRICANE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A IF IT'S A WHEN OR ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE WE CAN STILL USE THESE BUILDINGS WE'LL HOUSE OUR EMPLOYEES OUT OF THEM DURING THE STORM.

AND WHEN THEY COME BACK IN FULL CONDITION, THEY'LL BE FULLY POWERED AS WE RECOVER FOR OUR CITIZENS AND FOR WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO TO HOUSE AND FOR CONDUCTING OPERATIONS OUT OF.

AND I THINK THERE'S A MONITOR FOR THE RAINWATER RECLAMATION PROJECT, WHICH IS ANOTHER ONE WE'RE EXPERIMENTING WITH AT THE PD.

AND IF THAT WORKS WELL, WE CAN EXPAND IT.

IT'S A GREAT WAY TO MITIGATE WHEN WE LOSE WATER, WHICH EVERYBODY SAYS, OH, WE NEVER LOSE WATER.

AND THEN WE LOST WATER TWICE.

MR LAMONT, WOULD YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO GENERATOR PROJECTS? ONE OF THEM IS A NINETY THOUSAND DOLLAR COST ESTIMATE.

THE OTHER ONE IS ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR COST ESTIMATE.

THERE APPEAR TO BE JUST A SHORT BRIEF DESCRIPTION.

THEY APPEAR TO BE QUITE CLOSE.

THAT WAS IN QUOTES GIVEN BY THE SAME VENDOR FOR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT SO.

IT'S NOT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PRICE.

CAN SPEAK TO THE LARGER AMOUNT.

ONE WAS FOR NATURAL GAS.

AND IT ALSO SO THAT THERE IS FLAWLESS TRANSITION.

WE ARE ALSO THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE REC CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES THE PUMPS.

WELL, THAT'S THE NINETY THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED NINETY FIVE THOUSAND.

ALL RIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. LAMONT? NO.

MAYOR, I MOVE WE, APPROVE THE HAZARD MITIGATION ACTION PLAN AMENDMENTS.

AS PRESENTED.

SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? YEAH, JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

I ASK THAT WE COME BACK AND ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, MAYBE THE NEXT.

MEETING TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS AND SEE WHERE YOU ARE ON THAT, BUT OTHERWISE I APPROVE ON THE DIFFERENCE ON WHAT THE HUNDRED NINETY FIVE PROVIDES US VERSUS THE NINETY THOUSAND, WOULD YOU LIKE IT IN AN AGENDA ITEM OR JUST LIKE A FOLLOW UP EMAIL, LIKE, HEY, WE FOLLOW UP EMAIL.

I'LL BE FINE I GUESS.

OK, AND I'LL SEND EVERYONE.

ALL RIGHT, MR. MAYOR, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE DID WE HAD SOME HARD LESSONS LEARNED LAST YEAR WITH THE POTENTIAL HURRICANES AND ALL THESE THINGS, AND THEN WE HAD THE WINTER FREEZE.

AND SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT.

WE'VE GOTTEN BOTTLED WATER.

WE PUT THEM IN CONTAINERS.

WE'RE THINKING ABOUT YOU'LL SEE IN THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS HOW WE SORT OF WEATHERPROOF OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO A LOT OF GOOD A LOT OF GOOD THOUGHT AND WORK PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT MAKES US SUCCESSFUL DURING A CRISIS.

WE APPRECIATE.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? AND, JOHN, YOU MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT EVERY SIX MONTHS, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT

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AUGUST MAYBE FOR OUR NEXT CRISIS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HURRICANE SEASON.

IF I HEAR NO OTHER I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE AYE ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THAT COMPLETES OUR CONSENT ITEMS MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS.

[11. Presentation on Gifford Meadows Public Improvement District (PID).]

NUMBER 11 PRESENTATION ON GIFFORD MEADOWS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, ALSO KNOWN AS A PID.

GO AHEAD, MR. WALTER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MR. SCOTT [INAUDIBLE], IS HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF, CONCISE, QUICK, RAPID PRESENTATION ON THE GIFFORD MEADOWS PID BY LOOKING AT THE AGENDA.

I DON'T ANTICIPATING THIS THING TILL ALMOST MIDNIGHT, SO FEEL FREE TO GIVE US TO CONDENSE OR EXPAND ALL YOU WANT.

MAYOR, COUNCIL.

NEVER SEEN SOME OF YOUR FACES BEFORE.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

WE GET BASHED UP.

IT REALLY IS.

SO I INCLUDED A BRIEF WRITE UP IN THE AGENDA PACKET, BUT I CAN HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS REAL FAST.

GIFFORD MEADOWS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WOULD BE LOCATED ON APPROXIMATELY 17 ACRES, WILL CONTAIN ONE SECTION EIGHTY FIVE LOTS.

THE PROPOSED ASSESSMENT RATE THAT I'VE WORKED ON WITH THE DEVELOPER IS APPROXIMATELY NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER LOT PER YEAR, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF A 50 CENT TAX RATE ON ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS HOME, WHICH WOULD BE THE MINIMUM HOME PRICE.

AND I THINK IN THE IN THE SUBDIVISION AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WRITE UP, IT'S A 20 YEAR PAYMENT TERM FOR THE PID AND THE PRINCIPLES, ABOUT ELEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED, WHICH CAN BE PAID UP FRONT OR AT ANY TIME, OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN FINANCE THE ASSESSMENT FOR 20 YEARS OF FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT INTEREST, WHICH EQUATES TO THE NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER LOT PER YEAR.

SO THAT'S REALLY IT.

AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS WE'VE DONE IN THE FIRST THREE PID'S.

THERE'LL BE A DISCLOSURE NOTICE FROM THE HOME BUILDERS TO THE HOME BUYER.

THEY'LL HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION WHETHER THEY WANT TO SIGN ON AND ACTUALLY PURCHASE A HOME IN THE SUBDIVISION AND BE SUBJECT TO THAT ASSESSMENT.

SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

JUST DOING SOME QUICK MATH, SO THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY FOR SOMEBODIES MONTHLY MORTGAGE NOTE, ABOUT SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH IF THEY DECIDE TO FINANCE IT OUT RIGHT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST.

I THINK THEY TYPICALLY DO IS ASK.

AND WORKING WITH CHRIS AND JUDITH, THEY SUGGESTED WE DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND GET SUPPORT BEFORE WE GO TO CREATION AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH, OK.

SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT, IS SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND FOR THE MAYBE THE RESIDENTS LISTENING ON LINE, NEVER HEARD, CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHAT A PID IS OR WHAT IT DOES? CERTAINLY, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COVER THAT IN THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AS WELL, RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO A PID IS IT LOOKS LIKE A TAX.

IT'S ACTUALLY AN ASSESSMENT PLACED ON A LOT, WHICH REIMBURSES THE DEVELOPER FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE CITY, WATER, SEWER, DRAINAGE, PAVING.

TYPICALLY, A DEVELOPER CAN'T PUT ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND MEET THE MARKET ON THE HOME SALE PRICE AT THE SUBDIVISION.

SO THEY NEED REIMBURSEMENT MECHANISMS SUCH AS A MUD OR A PID OR [INAUDIBLE].

IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PID, WHICH IS AN ASSESSMENT.

IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE CITY AT ALL.

IT'S TO IT'S ONLY COLLECTED BY THE CITY AND THEN PAID BACK TO THE DEVELOPER.

THERE'S NO OUT-OF-POCKET COST TO THE CITY, SO.

WHICH IS THE PASS THROUGH, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT, AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY ACTUALLY APPROACHED ME ABOUT HELPING BECAUSE THEY AT THE TIME HAD DETERMINED THAT THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE TO ENCOURAGE HOME DEVELOPMENT HERE IN ANGLETON AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IN THE STATE THAT KNOWS HOW TO ACTUALLY PUT A PID TOGETHER AND ADMINISTER IT CORRECTLY, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO DO.

I'M NOT DOWN HERE PUSHING THIS MECHANISM.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ON IT.

BUT IT IS A VERY VALUABLE MECHANISM TO HELP HOMEBUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS MEET THEIR MARGIN.

YES, AS WE GO FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT, THEY PRETTY MUCH FALL IN THE SAME PATTERN FOR EACH PID, JUST I'M SURE ONE OF THEM HAS GOT THEIR INDIVIDUAL [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS HAVE WANTED TO DO ONLY 20 YEARS ON THE ASSESSMENT, SOME AS MUCH AS 30.

THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S NO MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM IN THE STATUTE.

SO TYPICALLY, YOU'LL SEE IT BETWEEN 15 AND 30 YEARS.

THE LONGER ONES HAVE A LOWER PAYMENT BECAUSE IT'S STRETCHED OUT AND THE SHORTER ONES,

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HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER PAYMENTS.

WHATEVER THE DEVELOPER THINKS THEY CAN, THEY CAN SELL AT THE PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS I WAS JUST SITTING BACK WAITING.

I GUESS HERE'S HERE'S MY ISSUE THAT I'M HAVING WITH THE PID'S, YES, AT THE TIME THE CITY DID COME AND SAY WE DO NEED SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE AND NOW WE'RE THIS WILL BE, WHAT, THE FOURTH OR FIFTH, FOURTH, FOURTH THAT I'M WORKING ON.

BUT I KNOW RIVERWAY HAS A PID AS WELL.

AND FOR ME, A PID WOULD BE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT THAT BENEFITS THE CITY.

THIS DOESN'T BENEFIT THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO THEIR PUTTING IN THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THEIR OWN SUBDIVISION.

THAT'S NOT A TO ME, THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.

THAT'S A DEVELOPER'S IMPROVEMENT SO THEY CAN SELL HOUSES IN THEIR SUBDIVISION.

YOU SAID TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, A PID DOESN'T AFFECT THE CITY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE BUYING IN THERE ARE PAYING THAT BACK.

BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE PIECES TO THAT.

AND THERE I MEAN, WE ARE ADMINISTERING THE PID THROUGH YOU, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THERE'S A FEE FOR THAT.

CORRECT, AND AT THE SAME TIME, BY INCENTIVIZING THESE GUYS TO GET TO THE PRICE POINT ON THE HOUSES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE IF I'M IF I GO BUY INTO THAT SUBDIVISION, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MY CREDIT WORTHINESS AND EVERYTHING IS ON THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE.

NOT ON THE VALUE OF HOW MUCH MY PAYMENTS ARE GOING TO BE EACH MONTH TO THAT EXTENT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FACTORED INTO THE CREDIT, HOW MUCH TAXES AND INSURANCE THEY HAVE TO PAY, I DON'T KNOW.

AND TO ME, I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE DOING IT BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

YOU'RE COMING TO US TELLING US WHAT THESE ARE FOR AND HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

BUT IT SEEMS THAT IF I'M A DEVELOPER AND I HAVE THE PID, I SAY I HAVE TO GET THE PID SO I CAN DEVELOP THE LOTS.

BUT THEN I TURN AROUND AND I ASSESS PROPERTY.

SO THE PAYMENTS ARE GOING TO BE HIGHER ON THE PERSON WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY IT OUTRIGHT.

SO LIKE YOU SAID, SEVENTY FIVE EXTRA DOLLARS A MONTH.

WELL, TO SOME PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT.

AND I KNOW EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN.

I'M VERY MUCH LAISSEZ FAIRE.

THEY IF THEY WANT TO DO IT AND THEY WANT TO GET INTO THAT THEN THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.

HOWEVER, BY INCENTIVIZING THESE GUYS TO COME HERE AND PUT THESE LOT AND PUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN, NOW IT'S AFFECTING US BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO GO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE DRAINAGE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT MORE WATER AND SEWER OVER IN THOSE AREAS.

AND SO I FEEL LIKE.

BY DOING THIS INCENTIVE, WE ARE HURTING THE CITY BECAUSE NOW IT'S MAKING IT HARDER FOR US TO NOW WE HAVE TO DO SOME A LOT FASTER THAN WE WOULD HAVE IN THE PAST TO FIX OUR SEWER PLANT, FIX, MAYBE BUILD A NEW SEWER PLANT TO FIX THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, THE LIFT STATIONS, ALL OF THAT COMES IN.

THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF MY TAKE ON THESE PIDS IS IT STARTED OUT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORPHING INTO A NEGATIVE FOR THE CITY.

AND SO THAT'S JUST MY TAKE.

WHETHER OR NOT THEY PUT A PID IN, THEY STILL NEED THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER PER HOUSE, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO DISCHARGE AS MUCH SEWER PER HOUSE.

THEY'RE CHARGED CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEES FOR WATER, WATER, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A SEWER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DISCHARGE.

SO WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT TOPICS OF CONVERSATION THAT YOU BROUGHT UP HERE TODAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

A LOT OF THEM AND I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT ONCE THE SUBDIVISION GETS PUT IN AND IT'S PUT IN, ACCORDING TO THE CITY, STANDARDS, SPECIFICATIONS, NEEDS FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE HOMES THAT ARE IN THERE, THE CITY BECOMES A CARETAKER OF THOSE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

WATER, WATER MAINS, SEWER, MAIN STORM SEWER STREETS AND DRAINAGE.

SO IT BECOMES THE CITY'S [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT IF WE DIDN'T INCENTIVIZE THEM MOST OF THEM WOULDN'T BUILD.

THAT'S MY.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A BELIEF THAT YOU HAVE I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A WAY TO GET WE'RE GETTING MORE HOUSES HERE IN TOWN.

AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT, BESIDES JUST A PLACE TO LIVE.

THEY WANT.

BIGGER HEB, A NEWER.

DEPARTMENT STORES SOMEPLACE ELSE WHERE THEY CAN GO BESIDES SOLE SOURCE

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WAL-MART, MAYBE, BUT AND WITHOUT WITHOUT A BIGGER POPULATION, WE'RE GOING TO BE WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND THAT'S IT.

COUNCILMAN WRIGHT, I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN MOST AREAS IS THAT.

GOOD QUALITY SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT OCCUR WITHOUT A MUD OR A PID OR A TIRZ, AND IN CERTAIN INSTANCES YOU'LL GET A DEVELOPER, YOU'LL GET A GOOD DEVELOPMENT, IT'LL HAVE A PRIVATE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, AND IT WON'T UTILIZE THE CITY SYSTEM BECAUSE IT CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT IN THE UPFRONT CAPITAL TO MEET THE CITY'S DESIGN CODE.

AND SO THEY'LL GO TO PRIVATE WATER PROVIDER AND THEY'LL WORK WITH THEM TO PUT IN A SEWER PLAN, INADEQUATE WATER LINES, AND THEN THEY'LL CHARGE FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS A MONTH FOR WATER AND SEWER.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT MODELS.

AND ALL WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE PID HERE IS TO BUY DOWN THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY CAN MEET THE HOME MARKET FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE IN THE SUBDIVISION.

SO I GUESS ITS A MATTER OF PAYING NOW OR PAYING OUT DURING THE LIFE OF THE PID, BECAUSE IF A PID IS NOT GRANTED, HE'S GOING TO COME IN IN THE SAME HOUSE THAT HE'S GOING TO CHARGE ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR, HE'S PROBABLY GOT TO PAY TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR.

IT'S.

SO WHY COULD I AGREE WITH JOHN'S GENERAL PREMISE THAT.

A PID AND MAYBE IT'S JUST THE PHRASEOLOGY OR THE TERMINOLOGY OF A PID A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.

I KIND OF SEE THAT AS IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT GENERALLY IMPROVES THE PUBLIC UNLESS YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE ADDITION OF HOMES AS JUST THE GENERAL IMPROVEMENT OF THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T KNOW IF JUST ADDING HOMES IS IN AND OF ITSELF JUST A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.

I CAN SEE ROADS, I CAN SEE DRAINAGE, I CAN SEE STUFF THAT WOULD ITEMS THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY.

I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF MORE CONSCIOUS OF BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S POSSIBLE.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR POINT FROM DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT.

AND I WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME.

WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT AS A DEVELOPER, BUT.

AND THEN CECIL ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING MORE RETAIL, LARGER HEB, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY FORTY FIVE FOOT LOTS, ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLAR PRICE POINT IS SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WE NEED A VARIETY OF HOMES.

BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE DRIVER OF BRINGING IN RETAIL.

SELLING 45 FOOT LOTS AT ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS ISN'T GOING TO BE.

IT'S NOT THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOT JUST ADDITIONAL ROOFTOPS.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THESE HOUSES ARE BEING SOLD FOR, WHAT SIZE OF THESE LOTS, WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THEM AND THE ECONOMICS THAT COMES WITH IT.

WHO CAN AFFORD THOSE HOMES? BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IS.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE WORD, BUT.

THEY WANT PEOPLE WITH ADDITIONAL INCOME, PEOPLE WHO CAN SPIN HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL DOLLARS IN THEIR ACCOUNTS TO SPEND AND HAVE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY WHO'S LITERALLY STRAPPED TO MAKE EVERY PAYMENT.

RIGHT, LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

THERE'S JUST A DIFFERENCE IN ECONOMICS THERE.

SO, ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO JOHN'S POINT, I AGREE WITH HIM JUST GENERALLY, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR HAVING PIDS AS WELL.

I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS WITH THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONSCIENCE OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY GETTING INTO AND WHAT VALUE THESE PIDS ADD TO THE CITY.

SO CAN I JUST JUMP IN ON ONE THING? THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE DOES LIST A LIST OF ITEMS THAT THE PID TYPE OF ASSESSMENT IS AVAILABLE FOR AND THE VERY LAST ITEM THEY ADDED IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO IT'S THREE SEVENTY TWO OH THREE AND IT'S DEVELOPMENT, REHABILITATION OR EXPANSION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO TOWARDS THE END GOAL OF NEEDING US TO ADD RETAIL AND JUST THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO TO THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR IN THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WHOLE LIST OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE FINANCED BY THAT ASSESSMENT.

BUT AT THE VERY BOTTOM THEY HAVE THAT ONE.

AND THEN THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE IS DIFFERENT TO EVERYBODY, I THINK.

AND I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING HERE AS WELL, WHEN WE SAY IMPROVEMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT DOWN TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT THE IMPROVEMENT COULD BE,

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MIC] MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS, OK, SO WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL SEWER DISCHARGE.

WE KNOW THERE'S GOT TO BE AN UPGRADE OVER THERE.

SO IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING IF A LIFT STATION IS AVAILABLE TO COME INTO PLAY HERE, LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER LIFT STATIONS THAT BEEN THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN, YOU KNOW, WITH GOING IN WITH THE CITY, DOES THE LIFT, THEY SHOULD GET UPGRADED.

DOES IT THEN DOES IT HELP SEWER IN THAT AREA VERSUS JUST A LITTLE DEVELOPMENT? WE'VE DONE THINGS LIKE THAT, OR DO WE UPSIZE THE LINE THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PUT MORE DEMAND OVER THERE? I WOULD AGREE, YES.

SO SEE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WE'RE NOT TO THAT NUTS AND BOLTS YET, BUT I'M BEING VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE A SEWER ISSUE OVER THERE.

I'M NOT SAYING WE DO.

I DON'T WANT TO ALARM ANYBODY.

BUT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL AND WE WOULD GO WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, HEY, WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE.

HOW ABOUT WE UPGRADE? AND YOU PUT IN THE BULK OF IT AND WE'LL PAY FOR THE UPGRADE NOW WE'VE DONE IMPROVEMENT TO THAT AREA? OR IS DRAINAGE? YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DITCH LINE OVER THERE.

SO NOW DO THEY CUT A DITCH AND NOW WE CAN DRAIN WATER TO THE BIGGER DITCHES? SO, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LOOK AT THAT.

SO, JOHN, I DO SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE.

IS IT TRULY A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT? DOES IT WORK THAT WAY? GOING BACK TO MR. BOOTH WHEN HE SAID THAT PEOPLE DO WANT MORE JUST BY LISTENING AND SITTING AT THIS TABLE FOR MANY YEARS, WE DO HEAR PEOPLE TELL US AND EVEN SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS, MORE ROOFTOPS ALLOW US THE ABILITY TO BRING MORE RETAIL NOW.

AND I'M FULL AGREEMENT WITH MR. TOWNSEND.

THEY LOOK AT THOSE INCOME LEVELS.

SO WHAT'S THE INCOME LEVEL OF THAT RESIDENT? YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH TALKING TO REAL ESTATE GUYS.

AND EVEN THOUGH TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HOME, SOMEBODY'S STILL MAKING A FAIRLY DECENT WAGE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON THEIR CREDIT, WHAT THEIR INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO BE AND HOW MUCH THE NOTE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE.

AND THEY LOOK AT THAT.

WHAT WHAT'S LEFT OVER, WHAT CAN THEY AFFORD TWO STEAKS A MONTH OR TWO STEAK DINNERS OR ONE STEAK DINNER.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE DO.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT MY BUDGET IS EVERY MONTH, BUT I MEAN, I JUST KIND OF LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER GLOBALLY TO FIGURE OUT PUT MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF MAYBE THAT PERSON WHO MAKES SIXTY SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

WHAT COULD YOU REALLY AFFORD? SO I'M ON BOTH SIDES, GUYS.

I MEAN FOUR YEARS AGO.

NOTHING WAS HAPPENING HERE.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE HERE AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 45, 50, 55, 60, 70 ON UP, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO SEE US HAVE A GOOD MIXED INVENTORY THAT ONCE AGAIN, THAT PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT ANGLETON AND GO, GREAT SCHOOL SYSTEM, HOSPITAL SYSTEM, PARK SYSTEM.

I WANT TO BE PART OF THAT NOW.

CAN I LIVE THERE? AND IS THERE SOMETHING FOR ME TO GO TO IN THAT CITY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND HOME THREE HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND HOME THAT I KNOW I CAN'T AFFORD.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST BY LOOKING AT THAT AND I THINK WE'VE BEAT THAT HORSE MANY TIMES.

BUT NOW WE'RE TO A POINT FOR A DEVELOPER NOW WHO'S GOTTEN TO THIS FAR POINT IN HIS PROCESS, PROBABLY SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY NOW.

AND PART OF HIS BUSINESS PLAN PROBABLY IS IN THE BALANCE OF ALLOWING THIS PID TO COME THROUGH.

SO WE GOT TO THINK OF THAT GUYS WERE KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT TODAY.

RIGHT, JOHN? YOU'RE VERY SUBTLE VERY CAUTIOUSLY FROM HERE.

FOREVER MORE.

PID'S MAY OR MAY NOT BE ANYMORE, BUT YOU DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEEN MOST BENEFICIAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I WAS GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.

YOU KNOW, ONE THING I WANT TO DISTINGUISH IS ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I DON'T CONSIDER THAT LOW INCOME.

OH, NO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

IT'S MORE AFFORDABLE THAN MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE GOING FOR NOW.

YES, BUT AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS BUYING A HOUSE AT THAT PRICE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE LIVING TO THE LIMIT OF THEIR MEANS RIGHT NOW.

IF THEY'RE ABLE TO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORTGAGES ARE GOING NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A DECENT CREDIT SCORE TO GET A MORTGAGE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIND OF.

YOU KNOW, SAVE WITH YOUR MONEY AND YOUR BILLS.

SO LET'S JUST DISTINGUISH THAT THE HOUSES AT THESE PRICES ARE ARE NOT LOW INCOME.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

I THINK ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THOUSAND IS A LOT FOR MOST PEOPLE.

YEAH, I AGREE.

AND I THINK I THEY CALL IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT YET, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE STAND UP IN THE AUDIENCE AND SAY 180,000 IS NOT AFFORDABLE.

SO BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT'S AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN GO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AND PAY EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.

THEY COULD PROBABLY GET TO A HOUSE CLOSE TO IT.

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BUT WHAT DOES THAT GET THEM INTO? DOES THEY GET THEM INTO THE 180,000 HOME MINUS TAXES AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, TAXES AND ESCROW.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TOSS THAT AROUND.

AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THIS TABLE BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO JUST GOT TO REMEMBER, GUYS, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAYBE FROM HERE EVER MORE, JUST THAT DISCUSSION, THERE WERE POPS UP.

BUT FOR THIS GUY, THERE ARE PROBABLY A YEAR, A YEAR PLUS INTO THEIR DISCUSSIONS AND INTO THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.

WHAT WE DECIDE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? MAYOR COUNCIL, THAT'S CORRECT.

HE'S HE'S FAR IS AND HE'S RECENTLY HAS DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT APPROVED BY THE CITY.

SO THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE TONIGHT.

AND SO HE WAS HE WAS REFERRED TO ME BY THE CITY AT SOME POINT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALLOWING PIDS AS AN INCENTIVE.

SO IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK AND I RAN THE NUMBERS FOR HIM AND THAT WE WERE OPERATING ON THAT BASIS THE WHOLE TIME.

BUT HE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL HE GOT HIS DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT APPROVED THAT THE CITY WAS HAPPY WITH HIM AND ALL THAT.

SO BUT I UNDERSTAND ON ANY FUTURE DEALS THAT COST [INAUDIBLE] AND MAYBE THE POLICY CAN BE PUT OUT THAT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES WE'LL CONSIDER A PID, BUT NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER LEVEL OR WHATEVER SIZE LOT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE KNOW THE GROUND RULES.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHEN WE DO THIS OR WHAT POINT WE DO THIS, BUT WE SHOULD BE SEEKING ACTUAL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.

SO YOU TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE LINES OR THAT OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING COMES UP EARLIER AND WHERE WE KNOW ABOUT IN THE AREA.

SO SOMETHING WE CAN NEGOTIATE TOWARDS OR HAVE SOMETHING TO TOWARDS WORKING TOWARDS, BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY ARE DOING A PID, YOU SHOULDN'T JUST BE A WINK NOD SURE WE GOT THIS FOR YOU.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I GUESS WHATEVER WE CAN ARGUE, WHATEVER THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT RANGE OF INCOME YOU'D HAVE TO BE TO PURCHASE ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSE.

BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST BUILDING STREETS AND IT SHOULDN'T IT BE ONE LITTLE POND WITH A WATER FEATURE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GETS TO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.

SO I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE TO IT THAN JUST THE WEAK SURE WE'LL HELP YOU OUT UNLESS WE TRULY ARE DOING AFFORDABLE INCOME HOUSING.

LIKE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT HAS SIMILAR WALLS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY LOW ONE HUNDREDS AND WHERE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IT'S GOT TO BE MORE THAN JUST SURE WE'LL HELP YOU OUT, WE'LL SCRATCH YOUR BACK IF YOU SCRATCH OURS.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S SOMETHING MAYBE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, BUT MAYBE SOMETHING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING PID'S, WE START TALKING ABOUT, OK, WHAT IS YOUR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT OTHER THAN GIVING US ROADS AND A HOUSE? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT FUTURE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AT TWO HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND, MAYBE THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND PRICE POINT.

WHAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, LET'S JUST THE HOUSE ITSELF, UNLESS WE WANT TO BE IN THAT MARKET FOR ADDING HOMES, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AFFORDABLE HOMES.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST THINK IT'S GOT TO BE MORE THAN JUST LIKE I SAID, I THINK ALSO PART OF THAT WOULD BE THE ECONOMIC PIECE OF THAT, THE ECONOMICS OF.

YEAH, NOW WE'VE JUST ADDED A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THE TAX ROLLS THAT POTENTIALLY CAN GET US A THOUSAND, TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY THAT WOULD COME TO THE CITY IN PROPERTY TAX MONEY, ADDITIONAL REVENUES THAT AGAIN CAN DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS A CITY THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.

AS YOU GROW A CITY, YOU SHOULD NEVER BE MY OPINION.

YOU SHOULD NEVER BE STAGNANT, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE GROWING, WHETHER YOU'RE GROWING PARKS, WHETHER YOU'RE GROWING ADDITIONAL WHATEVER YOU SHOULDN'T SIT STAGNANT.

TO ME THAT WOULD BE THE ECONOMICS OF NOW WE HAVE 100 HOMES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING IN A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PROPERTY, THAT WE HAVE AN EXTRA HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EVERY YEAR COMING IN THAT'S TWO POLICE OFFICERS.

WELL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? YOU GROW, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND IT.

SO AS SOON AS IT COMES IN RIGHT OUT THE DOOR.

AND HOPEFULLY BUT WITH STAFF, THEY COULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT TO KIND OF MAKE IT WORK.

IT BENEFITS US MORE.

PLUS THE MINUSES.

PUT IT THAT WAY IF WE GET MORE PLUSES AND MINUSES.

SO, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE SHOULD BE THEY KNOW IN THAT AREA.

OH, WE NEED IT.

WE KNOW WE NEED LIFT STATION UPGRADE.

WE KNOW WE NEED WATER LINE UPGRADE.

WE KNOW WE NEED SEWER UPGRADE.

SO THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION EARLY IF THEY IDENTIFIED AN AREA.

NOW, THAT BECOMES THE IMPROVEMENT, HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT GO AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE, THE CITY SHOULD LOOK FOR, LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE INTO THESE PIDS, WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING FOR? OK, WE'RE AWARE OF THIS LIFT STATION.

WE'RE AWARE OF THIS SEWER PROBLEM OR WE'RE AWARE OF THIS DRAINAGE ISSUE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS FOUR OR FIVE ISSUES.

I'M SURE YOU CAN FIND MANY MORE ISSUES TO RESOLVE.

PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE CEMETERY ROAD.

THE PROPERTY SOUTH, A CEMETERY, WERE ANNEXED IN THE EARLY 80S.

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THE WATER LINES WERE EXTENDED OUT THERE.

SANITARY SEWER LINES WERE EXTENDED OUT THERE.

AND EVEN TODAY, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH UNDERUTILIZED THERE, THEIR SIZE FOR A LOT BIGGER POPULATION THAN THERE IS OUT THERE.

SO THIS IS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THIS THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS TAXING THE SYSTEM, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE THAT WAS BACK.

IT WAS OR SO, BUT IT'S GOT TO GET BACK OVER THERE.

BUT IT'S GOING TO COME BACK.

THIS IS SITTING OUT THIS SYSTEM HAS BEEN SITTING OUT THERE WAITING TO ACCOMMODATE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

AND WE'VE MADE COMMENTS AT THIS TABLE.

WE FORGET ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.

NOTHING GOING ON OVER THERE.

HERE'S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING TO GO ON OVER THERE THAT'S GOING TO ENHANCE THAT AREA.

IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE NICE OVER THERE.

DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, I'VE SAT HERE AND VOTED FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT I'M GROWING TIRED OF EVERY DEVELOPER COMING IN ASKING FOR A PID NOW BECAUSE WE'VE MADE IT A COMMON THEME.

IT SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION, NOT THE NORM.

IT SHOULD WHEN DID THEY APPROACH YOU ABOUT A PID? THIS IS PROBABLY.

NINE MONTHS A YEAR AGO.

SO AND IT WAS A KIND OF A SUCCESSION, YOU KNOW, PID TWO PID THREE, PID FOUR, ALL WITHIN PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE MONTHS.

SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS THE DIRECTIVE WAS, HEY, YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR DEAL WORK.

GO SEE BEN WE'LL SEE IF WE GET YOUR PID, YOU KNOW, SO.

AND THAT WAS JUST PIGGYBACKING ON GREEN TRAILS, WHICH WAS THE FIRST ONE, RIGHT? SO I THINK IN THE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE FUTURE, AS WE MOVE DEVELOPING AGREEMENTS UP TO THE FRONT OF THE WAY WE DO DEVELOPMENTS, THAT'S THE YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WE GOT TO ASK THEM, LIKE, SO WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION? HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THIS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YES OR NO ON A PID OR WHATEVER YOU PROPOSE TO DO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT CAN BE KIND OF THE BASIS FOR WHETHER YOU ALL THINK IT'S VIABLE DEVELOPMENT OR NOT.

SO THIS ISN'T REALLY JUST AN ACT.

THIS ISN'T AN ACT.

THIS WAS JUST PRESENTATION AND QUESTIONING.

RIGHT? THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

YES, THERE'S NO ACTUAL PRESENTATION.

OK, EVERYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENT? I DO.

SO YOU FACILITATE THE PID FOR CITY, CORRECT? RIGHT.

IN THE CITY FACILITATED ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER.

WHO'S PAYING YOUR SERVICES? I CONTRACT WITH THE DEVELOPER UP FRONT AND THERE'S THERE'S THREE SEQUENCES UP FRONT WORK, THEN THERE'S A CREATION AND THEN THERE'S A LAG UNTIL WE ACTUALLY DO THE ASSESSMENT ROLL, WHICH LEVIES THE ASSESSMENT ON THE LOT, WHICH IS AFTER THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS FINISHED.

SO THERE'S THREE KIND OF STAGES.

AND THEN ONCE WE ACTUALLY LEVY THE ASSESSMENT, MY CONTRACT ENDS WITH THE DEVELOPER.

THEY SELL THE HOME OR THEY SELL THE LOTS, THEY SELL THE HOMES, IT'S USUALLY A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE THERE'S REVENUE AVAILABLE IN THE PID REVENUE FUND AT THAT POINT, THEN THERE WOULD BE A CPA REPORT THAT SAYS, YES, THIS GUY ACTUALLY SPENT THE MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO REIMBURSING FOR, WHICH IS JUST A SAFETY CHECK WE LIKE TO DO.

AND THEN I WORK WITH THE CITY, THE TAX OFFICE, BRAZORIA COUNTY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSES ARE ADDED TO THE ROLE THE MONEY'S COLLECTED AND DEPOSITED INTO THE FUND.

THE OTHER THING, THE BIG THING FOR MY SERVICES IS THE STATUTE HAS A QUIRKY LITTLE THING THAT SAYS AN ASSESSMENT PAYER CAN PAY THEIR PRINCIPAL AT ANY TIME SO THEY CAN CALL ME ANY TIME AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S MY PAY OFF BALANCE? THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

SO I HAVE AMORTIZATION SCHEDULES THAT I CAN PROVIDE ON DEMAND.

AND YOU DO GET PEOPLE TO WALK INTO THE CITY AND CUT A FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLAR CHECK TO PAY IT OFF IN YEAR THREE.

YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS SO BUT IT'S A PRETTY SEAMLESS PROCESS.

SO LIKE I SAID, WE'VE DONE NINE OR TEN OF THESE IN TOMBALL, NINE OR TEN.

IN CONROE.

AND THEY'RE JUST DON'T DO EVERYTHING A MUD DOES, BUT THEY'RE ENOUGH FOR A SMALLER TRACT DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE THEM WORK TO WHERE THEY CAN PUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THE CITIES, DESIGN STANDARDS.

THEY CAN PAY ALL THE RECOVERY FEES, THEY CAN PAY EVERYTHING THAT'S LAYERED ON AND STILL MAKE THE PROJECT WORK.

BUT THEN YOU LEARNED SEVERAL IN TOMBALL, YOU SAID YES, YES, THE CITY OF TOMBALL, CITY OF TOMBALL, CORRECT? WELL, MAYBE WE GOT ANYBODY AT TOMBALL CHRIS.

WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ADVANTAGE, DO THEY SEE OF DOING THIS? I CAN YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO ELABORATE, THEY CAME TO US IN THOUSAND SEVEN, SAID

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WE GOT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE TOLL ROAD THAT WAS GOING TO COME IN.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY HARDLY ANY NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN TOMBALL.

IT'S ALL IN THE ETJ AND THESE BIG MUD'S, YOU KNOW, MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES.

SO THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF A DEVELOPER, NINE, TEN, FIFTEEN ACRE TRACTS CLOSE IN AND TOMBALL WITH TWO HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSES AND THEY SELL OUT REAL QUICKLY.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT A FORTY FIVE TO FIFTY CENT TAX RATE EQUIVALENT ON THE PID, AND IT'S JUST BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL.

SO AND THEY LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU'RE SAYING PID'S [INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY, VARYING SIZE OF LOT, RIGHT.

TYPICALLY THOSE SMALLER ONES.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TEN ACRE DEALS, THEY'RE FORTY FIVE, FIFTY FOOT LOTS BUT THEY'RE CLOSE IN AND THEN I'VE GOT ONE THAT'S AN ACREAGE SUBDIVISION AND IT'S GOT ACRE AND A HALF UP TO FIVE ACRE LOT AND IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.

HOW WE TREAT IT SO.

THAT'S THE ONE IN CONROE, IT'S IN TOMBALL.

OH ITS IN TOMBALL.

SO I GUESS GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN GONGORA, SO DO YOU AT ANY TIME CHARGE THE CITY A FEE FOR ADMINISTERING THE PID? NO, WE ASSESS A SEPARATE OF FIVE PERCENT.

YOU'LL SEE IT WHEN I DO.

THE ASSESSMENT PLAN AT SIX YEARS WITH THE DEVELOPER IS PUTTING IN THE PID AND HERE IS A FIVE PERCENT ADDITIONAL CHARGE AND ACTUALLY SHOWS IT CAN YOU CAN EITHER BILL IT INTO THE ANNUAL PAYMENT OR YOU CAN BILL IT SEPARATELY ON THE COUNTY TAX STATEMENT WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS.

SO THE CITY NEVER COMES OUT OF POCKET OTHER THAN STAFF TIME TO MANAGE THE ACCOUNT.

I DO EVERYTHING ELSE, SO.

CHRIS, WHO MANAGES IT FROM OUR SIDE, IS THAT CHRIS OR FRANCES? HE'S BEEN SEEN THAT A LOT LATELY, TRASH CONTACT.

SO WALTER OR MR. BEAN IS JUST GIVING YOU SOME DIRECTION QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR MR. BEAN WHILE HE'S HERE? I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO STICK AROUND FOR NUMBER TWELVE.

YEAH, I GUESS WE'VE ALREADY YOU KNOW, AND WE ALREADY DISCUSSED A LOT OF THINGS ALREADY INSIDE THAT NUMBER TWELVE.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD.

[12. Discussion on Public Improvement Districts (PID) and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zones (TIRZ).]

MOVE ON NOW NUMBER TWELVE DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT KNOWNS AS PID AND A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, ALSO KNOWN AS TIRZ.

GUYS.

GIVE US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TIRZ AND A PID, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, SO A TIRZ ACTUALLY IS THE CITY OR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AGREEING TO DEDICATE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEIR TAX RATE ON THE INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE OF A REAL ESTATE DEAL TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO Y'ALL WOULD ACTUALLY FOREGO FUTURE TAX REVENUE, BUT YOU WOULD KEEP THE BASE LEVEL.

IF IT'S A 10 MILLION DOLLAR BASE LEVEL, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE TAX ON THAT THROUGH THE WHOLE DURATION OF THE TIRZ.

BUT ANY INCREASE IS GOING TO GO INTO A FUND ACCORDING TO THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TAX RATE THE CITY HAS AGREED TO DEDICATE TO THAT TIF FUND.

AND THAT WOULD PAY FOR A REGIONAL LIFT STATION OR A PARK IMPROVEMENT OR WHATEVER THE CITY SAYS THEY WANT TO PAY FOR IT THROUGH THE TIRZ.

SO AND YOU CAN GO ASK THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE.

YOU KNOW.

PROBABLY WOULDN'T, BUT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL DISTRICTS DON'T PARTICIPATE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY GET SLAPPED BY THE STATE AFTER 1999.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS USED TO PARTICIPATE AND THEY HAVE A HIGH TAX RATE.

AND IT WOULD MAKE THE TIRZ REALLY VALUABLE, BUT IT DIDN'T HURT THEM IN THE FUNDING FORMULA FOR ROBIN HOOD.

BUT NOW IT DOES.

SO THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE ANYMORE.

AND WE CURRENTLY JUST HAVE THE ONE TIRZ DOWN ON TWO TWENTY TWO OH TWO, THAT'S RIGHT.

WE HAVE THE NEW ONE.

THE NEW ONE.

SO I SET THE FIRST ONE OUT WITH [INAUDIBLE] WAY BACK IN THE DAY.

THE JAMESON PROPERTY.

THAT DIDN'T QUITE MATERIALIZE IT'S STILL SITTING IN THE INCUBATOR TRYING TO GROW OVER THERE, SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TIRZ THAT DON'T REALLY TAKE OFF.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF MY REASONS.

I DON'T THAT ONE'S THE ONE THAT BURNED ME, I GUESS I DON'T LIKE TIRZ.

YEAH, WELL, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT HAS A LARGE TRACT AND WANTS TO DO MIXED USE AND THEY COME IN AND SAY, WE WANT TO DO THIS, GOD, WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT NEW LIFT STATION OR WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT NEW BOULEVARD THAT'S GOING RIGHT THROUGH THAT THE CITIES MAKE US PUT IN, YOU SAY, WELL, WE'LL PAY FOR THAT THROUGH A TIRZ.

AND SO YOU COULD HAVE JUST KIND OF A SPECIFIED TIRZ.

YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

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I THINK THE JAMESON DEAL WAS KIND OF A LITTLE HIGH IN THE SKY, BUILD THE FIRST BUILDING AND THEN SEE IF IT TOOK OFF.

SO WE JUST KIND OF WENT ON THAT BASIS TO SEE IF IT WOULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE COUNTY DIDN'T PARTICIPATE.

WE GOT A GOOD ROADS, SOME INFRASTRUCTURE DOWN THERE, MAYBE IN OUR LIFETIME WE'LL SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN DOWN THERE.

TIRZ IS, IN MY OPINION, YOU NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TAXABLE VALUE, A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RUN A BOARD.

YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF ANNUAL REPORTING AND IT'S A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN.

I HAD MY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MEMORIAL CITY REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, WHICH IS A TIRZ IN HOUSTON, WE HAVE.

FOUR BILLION IN ADDITIONAL TAXABLE VALUE ON THAT DEAL AND WE'RE BUILDING REDOING NORTH [INAUDIBLE] REDOING MEMORIAL DRIVE, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.

WOW.

OK, GENTLEMEN, ANY MORE COMMENTS? THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK, OF COURSE, YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND JUST YOU CAN GOOGLE IT PID VERSUS TIRZ AND ALL KINDS OF ARTICLES POP UP.

I THINK I DID THAT A FEW MONTHS AGO.

BUT IN ONE CASE, I THINK WE HAVE BOTH RIGHT? RIVERWOOD RANCH GUNNA HAVE A PID AND A TIRZ, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, I'M NOT REALLY WORKING ON THAT ONE, BUT YES, YEAH, THAT'S ONE I CAN'T FIGURE OUT.

ANYTHING ELSE AND I THINK [INAUDIBLE] WAS INTERESTED IN A PID AND A TIRZ.

JUST FYI.

SEE, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, SINCE YOU'RE STANDING THERE IN PERFECT TIME TO ASK, WHEN DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A DEVELOPER TO BE TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, I WANT TO DO A PID BEFORE THEY START THEIR ENGINEERING WORK OR AFTER THEY'VE PLATTED EVERYTHING OUT AND FIGURED IT OUT AND THEN COME TO YOU? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE NORMAL PROCESS IN YOUR EYES? YOU WOULD NORMALLY WANT THAT ASSURANCE BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR IN TO A DEAL.

IN THE CASE OF [INAUDIBLE], I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE MY CLIENT, THAT THERE WAS SOME HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT EARLY ON.

AND NOW, I MEAN, SCOTT [INAUDIBLE] WAS THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD HAMMERED OUT SOME AGREEMENTS WITH HIM ON GREEN TRAILS AND IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS GOING TO BE KIND OF THE WAY IT WAS GOING.

TYPICALLY, THOUGH, YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT IRONED OUT.

YOU WANT A PID REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU, WHICH GIVES YOU THE ASSURANCE TO GO PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN.

SO BUT SHOULDN'T THAT COME FROM COUNCIL AT THE VERY BEGINNING? WELL, IT SHOULD.

AND IN ALL HONESTY, I'VE BEEN.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE SHAKE UP AND A MISCOMMUNICATION AFTER SCOTT LEFT, SO THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO TAKE CARE OF.

I JUST FEEL LIKE ALL THIS HAS BEEN BACKWARDS.

IT'S COMING TO US AFTER PLATS AND AFTER AGREEMENTS AND DESIGN WORK, AND NOW WE NEED A PID OR NOW I NEED SOME TYPE OF FUNDING.

THE PID WAS ASSURED ON THE FRONT END, SO IT JUST WASN'T PAPERED UP.

BUT FROM THE COUNCIL? YEAH.

THERE SHOULD BE A, KIND OF LIKE AUSTIN COLONY.

HE CAME HERE, HE SHOWED US HIS PLAN AND HE SAID, I NEED A PID AT THAT TIME BEFORE HE GOES ANY FURTHER.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT'S I WISH ALL OF THEM WOULD OPERATE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT EARLIER.

I MEAN, WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THAT'S ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR QUESTIONS WE ASK THEM, LIKE.

ON THE CHECKLIST.

AND SO WE GET WE GET THAT ON RECORDING.

WE YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN IN THE PUBLIC AND WHATEVER.

SO THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT, ALL THAT STUFF.

AND WE REHASH THAT.

IT'S YEAH.

WE AGREED TO THAT OR NO.

WE SAID THERE'S AN ISSUE AND WANT YOU TO COME BACK AND GIVE US SOME MORE FIDELITY OR SOMETHING.

WE'RE LEARNING THE ERRORS OF OUR WAYS.

ALL THE TIME.

YES, SIR.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 12? ON THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT.

NO.

AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A PUBLIC IN A POLITICAL WAY, JUST THE SPEAKERS].

I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING TO THE RIGHT AND THEY ARE SEATED TO THE LEFT.

I PREFER TO BE CALLED THE CENTER.

THE CENTER? ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. [INAUDIBLE] FOR STAFF ON THIS? SIR, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND COMING DOWN.

[13. Discussion and possible action on the FY 2019-2020 Financial Audits.]

NUMBER 13, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON FISCAL YEAR 2019, 2020 FISCAL AUDITS.

WE JUMP FROM ONE SET OF NUMBERS TO ANOTHER SET OF NUMBERS, MR.

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CHRIS TWO POINT OUT.

OUR AUDIT IS COMPLETE FOR LAST YEAR, 2020.

GOOD EVENING.

YOU HAVE THE OFFICIAL COPY IN FRONT OF YOU.

IT TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN EXPECTED BECAUSE WE RECEIVED FOUR FEDERAL FUNDS THAN WAS ALLOWED.

750,000 REQUIRES AN ADDITIONAL AUDIT, A SINGLE AUDIT.

SO THAT WAS ALSO COMPLETED.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO AUDITS IN FRONT OF YOU.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THEY'RE BOTH A CLEAN OPINION.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE A JOE HERE WITH BILL HARRISON, A CPA FIRM, WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER HERE TO JOE.

EVENING, EVERYONE, I WILL GIVE A SUMMARY OF THE REPORT TONIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A 100 SOME PAGE.

[INAUDIBLE] ALL NIGHT LONG.

SO LET'S GO TO THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT AND PLEASE TURN TO PAGE NUMBER EIGHT.

SIR CAN YOU CAN EITHER SPEAK CLOSER IN THE MIC OR TAKE YOUR MASK OFF OR SOMETHING SO WE HEAR YOU.

THANK YOU.

PLEASE TURN TO PAGE NUMBER NUMBER EIGHT, EVERYBODY ON PAGE NUMBER EIGHT, YOU SEE THE OPINION.

THAT'S THE RESULT OF OUR FINANCIAL AUDIT.

WE GIVE YOU THE UNMODIFIED OPINION IS THE HIGHEST [INAUDIBLE] OPINION.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MATERIAL ERROR, ANYTHING.

SO IT'S VERY PRESENTED.

SO THAT'S THE OUR OPINION FOR THAT FIRST.

AND THEN LET'S GO TO PAGE 16 AND 17.

THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE STATEMENT OF NET POSITION AND STATEMENT OF ACTIVITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAGE 17, THE TOTAL PRIMARY GOVERNMENT [INAUDIBLE] AN INCREASE ABOUT ONE POINT FOUR MILLION.

AT THE BOTTOM, YOU SEE THE THIRTY NINE MILLION SOMETHING THAT'S THERE FOR 2020, SO IT'S INCREASED BY ONE POINT FOUR MILLION, THE NET POSITION.

AND THEN LET'S GO TO PAGE FIFTY AND FIFTY ONE, WE LOOK AT THE CAPITAL ASSET, THAT'S YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT THOSE [INAUDIBLE] WHATEVER, AND ALL THOSE YOU CAN SEE ON THESE TWO PAGE, THAT'S THE CAPITAL ASSET.

YOU'RE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE 50, PAGE 50.

THERE IS THE GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITY.

PAYS FOR THE BUILDING, THE LOW ORDERS TOGETHER, AND THAT INVESTMENT IN THE GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITY IS LIKE 70 MILLION THREE HUNDRED SIXTY SEVEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN.

AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF FIFTY ONE, [INAUDIBLE] IS THE SEWER [INAUDIBLE] BUSINESS.

THE NET INVESTMENT IN THAT CATEGORY IS LIKE 10,282,142.

SO AS Y'ALL ADD MORE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE].

SO YOU WERE ON THE AIR ON THE FIFTY ONE, PAGE FIFTY ONE, YOU HAVE MORE CAPITAL ASSET.

AND THEN I WILL TRY TO SEE PAGE SEVENTY FOUR AND SEVENTY FIVE.

THAT IS YOUR GENERAL FUND.

PAGE SEVENTY FOUR AND SEVENTY FIVE.

AS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020, YOUR TOTAL REVENUE ON PAGE 74.

YOU SEE THE REVENUE, THE ACTUAL, THE THIRD QUARTER, THE ACTUAL AMOUNT IS 40 MILLION, ABOUT 40 MILLION SIX HUNDRED [INAUDIBLE] EIGHT THOUSAND.

AND IF YOU SEE THAT PAGE SEVENTY FIVE, YOUR TOTAL EXPENDITURE IS LIKE FOURTEEN MILLION FIVE HUNDRED FORTY NINE THOUSAND.

SO AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE THAT NET INCREASE IS ONE POINT SEVEN MILLION, ABOUT ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION.

SO YOUR BOTTOM LINE IS SIX POINT ONE MILLION ABOUT.

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SO YOU INCREASE YOUR GENERAL FUND.

THAT'S A MAJOR FUND FOR ORDER.

NO MORE OPERATING.

SO [INAUDIBLE].

SO I WILL PAUSE A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, BEFORE I GO TO THE OTHER REPORT.

AND LETTER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR THE FINANCIAL REPORT? GENTLEMEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW WE JUST GOT THIS TONIGHT, SO IF YOU DO HAVE ANY REACH OUT TO CHRIS OR CHRIS AND THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS THAT ARE FRESH ON THE COUNCIL.

IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO ABSORB.

BUT IT'S A TRUE TESTAMENT OF WHAT GOES ON IN THOSE OFFICES AND ALL THAT FUNDING AND REVENUES AND EXPENSES.

IT'S ALL LAID OUT.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HEAR.

IT'S A FAIRLY HEALTHY IT'S A GOOD REPORT.

IT'S FAIR REPORTING, NO ISSUES.

AND I THINK SINCE JOHN AND I'VE BEEN THIS TABLE, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME REALLY GOOD POSITIONS GIVEN TO US BY THE AUDITING COMPANY THAT WE DO A GOOD JOB AT TAKING CARE OF OUR MONEY AND THE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN ORANGE.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO ABSORB.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EXPLANATION, GUYS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW JOHN DOES.

[LAUGHTER] SO I WAS GOING TO ASK ON THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL INCREASES IN REVENUE.

THAT'S THE BONDS? YOU REGARDING TO? PAGE 74.

74, [INAUDIBLE] YEAH YOU RECEIVE LIKE A CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUND LIKE, ABOUT ONE POINT THREE MILLION.

SO THAT'S MAJOR INCREASE FOR [INAUDIBLE].

SO THAT'S THE INTER GOVERNMENT.

YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHAT INCREASED OUR FUND BALANCE TOO CORRECT? YEAH, THE MAJOR INCREASE, YEAH.

WELL, YOU PRETTY GOOD, YOU CAN BE A AUDITOR.

I'M A CONTROLLER, SO I'M USED TO LOOKING AT THIS STUFF.

THE WHEN YOU, DO YOU STILL LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF DAYS OF OPERATING THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S ONE THING I 18? YEAH, PAGE 18.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PARAGRAPH WILL [INAUDIBLE] FUND BALANCE.

THIRTY FIVE PERCENT.

PAGE EIGHTEEN, THE GENERAL FUND.

THIS ADDS MORE DETAIL TO DESCRIBE HOW MUCH THE FUND BALANCE AND YOU HAVE LIKE A [INAUDIBLE] FUND BALANCE IS 35 PERCENT OF DEBT, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE EXPENDITURE AND REVENUE THEY BOTH INCREASED LAST YEAR.

SO BUT, IF YOU SEE LET'S SEE THE [INAUDIBLE], WE CAN GO TO TWENTY [INAUDIBLE] FOR MORE DETAIL.

IF YOU GO TO PAGE 28, THAT'S THE OR GOVERNMENTAL FUND.

YEP.

SO YOU SEE THAT FOR THE.

YOU ASKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENTAL OR JUST THE GENERAL? THE GENERAL.

THE GENERAL, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE 14 MILLION IF FOR THE GENERAL THE FIRST QUARTER.

THAT'S REVENUE AND ALMOST THE SAME FOURTEEN POINT FIVE FOR EXPENDITURE.

SO IF YOUR FUND BALANCE NOW IS LIKE A SIX MILLION.

SIX POINT ONE MILLION.

SO LIKE I SAY, ABOUT 35 TO 40 PERCENT OF YOUR EXPENDITURE THE FUND BALANCE.

IT'S DEFINITELY OVER 90 DAYS.

SO, YEAH.

IT'S PRETTY HEALTHY.

35, 40 PERCENT FOR YOUR EXPENDITURE.

NICE.

AND WE LIKE THAT WORD HEALTHY.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THE EXPENSES YOU HAD A COMMENT HERE ABOUT THE INCREASE IS MAINLY DUE TO FEDERAL GRANT RECEIVED.

AND THEN YOU ALSO SAID THAT THE EXPENSES WENT UP.

GO BACK A PAGE.

YOU SAID THE EXPENSES WENT UP BECAUSE OF THE.

HERE IT IS.

INCREASED BY ONE POINT THREE MILLION OR EIGHT PERCENT, MAINLY DUE TO INCREASES IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN G&A, RELATED PERSONNEL COSTS.

THAT'S CLASS [INAUDIBLE], RIGHT?

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YEAH, YEAH.

THE PUBLIC SAFETY OUGHT TO INCREASE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT.

YOU CAN SEE YOU [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE CORONAVIRUS FUND, THAT MAJOR FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT.

SO YOU'LL GET REIMBURSED FROM THAT OR THE POLICE MAN THERE THEY ASKED FOR WHAT OR WHAT HIGH OR COME FROM THAT.

SO GET A REIMBURSEMENT.

SO YOUR EXPENSE INCREASE.

WHERE DID THE.

I JUST SAW IT IN HERE AND NOW I CAN'T FIND IT.

THE PAGE THAT HAS IT BROKEN OUT BY ABLC AND THE GENERAL FUND AND OH, WHICH PAGE THAT IS, IS LIKE A 20-26 27.

28.

MAYBE 38.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT HAD THE WATER AND SEWER.

OH, WATER SEWER GO DOWN LIKE A 35 PAGE 34-35.

THE BUSINESS FUND.

PAGES 34 AND 35 THAT'S BUSINESS.

INCOME BEFORE TRANSFERS THREE HUNDRED EIGHTY THOUSAND TOTAL TRANSFERS.

AND THE CHANGE IN THAT POSITION IS ONE HUNDRED FIFTY TWO THOUSAND.

I DON'T SEE THE FUND BALANCE ON THIS UTILITY.

WHERE WOULD I SEE THAT? WE DON'T CALL IT THE BUT FOR THE BUSINESS, WE CALL IT A NET POSITION FOR THE GOVERNMENTALLY FUND WE CALL IT FUND BALANCE.

SO IN YOUR OPINION, THE FROM A CAPITAL STANDPOINT, THE BALANCE SHEET FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUND FOR WATER AND SEWER, IT'S HEALTHY.

YOU HAVE 30 MILLION.

YEAH NET POSITION IN YOUR CASE, LIKE, LET'S GO BACK TO THIRTY THREE PAGE.

YOU HAVE 10 MILLION ON THOSE CASH THAT YOU COULD RUN.

ON PAGE 33, RIGHT? YEAH, LIKE 10 MILLION [INAUDIBLE].

I'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE REST.

I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OR NOT WASTE, BUT TAKE UP MORE TIME FROM EVERYONE ELSE.

BUT THIS IS VERY INTERESTING READING.

I'M GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH IT.

JUST FOR THE NEW GUYS, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE TO GO SIT DOWN WITH CHRIS AND GO OVER MORE, AND THIS IS WHAT RUNS A CITY RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS IT.

SO DO WE GET A COPY OF THIS AND PUT IT ONLINE AS WELL SO OUR RESIDENTS CAN SEE THIS? KNOW THE CITY'S NOT CROOKED AND STEALING MONEY AND EVERYTHING ELSE? WELL, THIS BIG REPORT, WHICH IS HOW MANY PAGES? ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR PAGES.

HERE WAS AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT FIRM THAT ALWAYS COMES BACK AND DOES THIS FOR US AND REVIEWS OUR FINANCE TEAM, REVIEWS ALL THE OPERATIONS AND THE CAPITAL ASSETS IS CRAZY.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE ASKING VERY DETAILED THIS TIME.

[LAUGHTER] LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

THIS IS A VERY THIS IS, I THINK, PERTINENT TO THIS DISCUSSION.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID A FULL INVENTORY AUDIT OF OUR ASSETS? HOW OFTEN DO WE DO THAT? IT DEPENDS ON YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY HAVE THE ANNUAL COUNT FOR THE SEWER AND THE WATER INVENTORY.

YEAH, THEY HAVE A NEW ACCOUNT EVERY YEAR.

EVERY YEAR WE DO THAT.

SUSIE SHAKING HER HEAD I SEE SUSIE SHAKING HER HEAD WHERE IS JEFF.

SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, ON THE LEASE PURCHASE THAT WE'RE DOING NOW OR NOT LEASE PURCHASE, WE'RE DOING A LEASE WITH ENTERPRISE.

THOSE AREN'T CAPITAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR THE THAT FALLS OFF OUR BOOKS.

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[INAUDIBLE] CAPITAL LEASE IS CAPITAL.

IF THE CAPITAL IS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ORDERS.

FLEET MANAGEMENT.

YEAH, IT SHOULD BE CAPITAL.

IT SHOULD BE CAPITAL.

BECAUSE IT'S THE LEASE IS CAPITAL LEASES.

MAYBE THAT'S WHY YOU KEEP ASKING FOR THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE OR THOSE AGREEMENT YEAH.

NO OPERATING.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER OK.

OK, YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.

OK, NEXT ONE IS THE [INAUDIBLE] SINGLE AUDIT REPORT LIKE CHRIS JUST MENTIONED BECAUSE OVER THE 750000 [INAUDIBLE] SO YOU HAVE THE SINGLE AUDIT LAST YEAR.

THE MAJOR PROGRAM IS THE CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUND YOU RECEIVE ON PAGE NINE.

YOU SEE THE SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS FOR A SINGLE AUDIT.

SO [INAUDIBLE] WE GIVE YOU THAT AND MODIFY IS THE CLEAN OPINION FOR THE SINGLE AUDIT AND NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES AND EVERYTHING.

IS GOOD TO GO.

SO AND IF YOU GO TO THE PAGE TEN, YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU LISTED FOR LAST YEAR FROM THE FEDERAL AGENCY.

THE MAJOR IS THE ONE POINT ONE MILLION FOR THE CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUND.

DO WE HAVE AN ACCOUNT FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE NOW? .

WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT TAB ON OUR BUDGET FOR EACH ONE OF THESE.

I REALLY HOPE YOU SPEND THAT MONEY TONIGHT, JOHN, NOT JUST TONIGHT, I HEAR IT BROUGHT UP A LOT LATELY.

WE'LL STUDY IT [LAUGHTER].

WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING FOR IT.

STUDY IT AGAIN IN FIVE YEARS.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, [INAUDIBLE].

SO USE YOUR INFORMATION.

ONE IS THE ONE IS REQUIRED TO AUDIT THAT DISCLOSURE.

THE OTHER ONE IS THAT MANAGEMENT LETTER FOR THE MANAGEMENT LETTER WE HAVE ONE [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR BUDGET FOR AFTER YEAR END.

THAT IS A LOT OF [INAUDIBLE] TO MATCH WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY EXPENDING.

SO THIS MAY MAKE IT PERFECT, BUT THAT IS NOW A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS ADJUST YOUR BUDGET EVEN AFTER YEAR.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.

ANY QUESTION, OTHER STUFF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT'S A LOT TO GO THROUGH.

JOHN'S GOING TO HAVE SO MUCH FUN WITH THIS.

I WILL.

I'M GOING TO BE MESSAGING THEM.

I'M GOING ON VACATION.

YOU JUST GOT BACK THANK YOU.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE BOTH AUDITS SO THAT ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE AND DISTRIBUTE IT TO ALL THE NECESSARY PARTIES.

GREAT.

SO COUNCIL WHAT IS YOU ALL'S PLEASURE ON THIS ITEM? MR. MAYOR I MOVE WE APPROVE THE 2019 2020 FINANCIAL AUDIT RESULTS.

I'LL SECOND.

DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU, [INAUDIBLE] I CAN SAY FOR [INAUDIBLE] JUST ON THE SIDE, AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS, BUT MY SISTER DID AN INTERNSHIP WITH [INAUDIBLE] WHEN HE WAS JUST IN BELLVILLE, LIKE IN 1990, 91, WHEN SHE WAS GOING TO A&M.

SO SHE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE] IN THE FAMILY.

SO SHE ACTUALLY STAYED AT THEIR HOUSE DURING HER INTERNSHIP.

AND SO.

I KNOW HOW TO SAY [INAUDIBLE], BECAUSE I REMEMBER SEEING IT.

SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR.

AND YOU DISCLOSE THAT IN THE AUDIT, RIGHT? I DO.

I SAY IT EVERY YEAR.

BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU ALL DO.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO NUMBER 14, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROPOSAL

[14. Discussion and possible action on a proposal for the Lakeside Park bidding and construction phase services and authorizing the City Manager to execute the proposal.]

FOR THE LAKESIDE PARK BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES AND AUTHORIZE

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THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PROPOSAL.

ONE STEP CLOSER, GUYS.

MS. MEGAN GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A PROPOSAL FOR BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

IN THE INITIAL PROPOSAL FOR LAKESIDE DESIGN SERVICES, STAFF ASKED THAT BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES BE LEFT OFF AND REVISITED AT A LATER DATE.

SINCE WE HAVE CONCLUDED OUR COMPLETE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WITH CLARK CONDON, WE REQUESTED THAT THEY SEND US A PROPOSAL FOR BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

STAFF HAS REQUESTED THE PROPOSAL.

WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKAGE AND THAT AMOUNT COMES OUT TO NINETY NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

YOU'LL NOTICE A SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET OF OUR FUND BALANCE FOR DESIGN.

AND SO THAT IS A BUDGETED ITEM.

WE DO HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THESE SERVICES.

THIS IS A TYPICAL SERVICE TO REQUEST FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS.

AS WE GO THROUGH ANY OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY, WE TYPICALLY HAVE ASSISTANCE FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

AND SO THIS IS NOT AN ATYPICAL REQUEST.

WE JUST HAVE SEPARATED THE SERVICE REQUESTS.

ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY BID OUT THIS PROJECT.

WE PROVIDED A TIMELINE TO ALL AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THAT PROJECT IS ONLINE AND WE WILL BE HOLDING A PRE PROPOSAL, MANDATORY PRE PROPOSAL, CONSTRUCTION MEETING FOR ALL POTENTIAL BIDDERS THIS THURSDAY.

AND SO THIS IS A VERY TIMELY PROPOSAL TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL FOR APPROVAL.

AND STAFF IS ASKING THAT YOU ALL APPROVE THE PROPOSAL.

FOR BIDDING CONSTRUCTION SERVICES IS IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, MYSELF AND [INAUDIBLE].

OF COURSE, WE WILL BE HIGHLY INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.

WE WILL BE READING THE OVER 600 PAGE PROJECT MANUAL AND ALSO THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WHICH IS PROBABLY AROUND ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY PAGES.

SO STAFF, THIS IS NOT TO TAKE THE PLACE OF INVOLVEMENT THAT STAFF WILL HAVE, BUT IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT IS NECESSARY FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE.

ONE OTHER THING I FAILED TO MENTION, CLARK CONDON WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE THIS EVENING.

I THOUGHT WE WERE STILL HAD THE ABILITY TO ZOOM AND I TOLD THEM THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT MY FAULT.

SO WE CAN GET ELIZABETH GILBERT, WHO IS OUR PRINCIPAL, IN CHARGE ON THE PHONE.

SHE IS READY TO TALK TO YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

MS. MAINER, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHY WERE THESE SERVICES EXCLUDED FROM THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT? WE WERE TRYING TO REDUCE COSTS WHEN SO WHEN WE HAD THEM REVISE THE CONTRACT, THEY ASKED IF WE NEEDED BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

AND AT THE TIME, WE WERE TRYING TO REDUCE THE DESIGN SERVICES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE COULD DETERMINE IF WE COULD SAVE FUNDS THAT COULD BE ALLOCATED TOWARDS OTHER PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND MAINTENANCE FOR OTHER DESIGN SERVICES AT THE COMPLETION OF THE DESIGN.

AND AGAIN, THE EXTENT OF WHICH STAFF WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMPLETELY.

SEPARATE EMPLOYEE OR CONTRACT MANAGEMENT COMPANY LIKE CLARK CONDON COME IN TO HELP MANAGE THIS PROJECT.

SO AFTER WE HAD FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT SCOPE WOULD ENTAIL, WE ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL.

WHICH IS WHY IT WAS SEPARATED.

I'M JUST USED TO ENGINEERING PROJECTS, WE GET IT ALL UP, WE GET IT ALL IRONED OUT UP FRONT.

YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BUDGET EVERYTHING UP FRONT AND IT KIND OF PUTS THEM IN A BIND, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE PROJECT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET FROM CONCEPT TO PUTTING STUFF IN THE GROUND.

BUT THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

HAVE WE PLANNED TO DO THE BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION OBSERVATION OURSELVES AT THAT TIME OR WHAT? AT THAT TIME WE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD MANAGE THE BIDDING, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT STAFF COULD NOT MAINTAIN.

THE BUDGET AMOUNT WAS NINETY NINE THOUSAND AND THEY CAME IN AT NINETY NINE THOUSAND.

NO, THAT'S MY APOLOGIES.

THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED THE FUND BALANCE.

SO WE HAVE THAT FUND BALANCE PAGE, AS SUPPLEMENTAL.

THE FUNDS REQUESTED OUT OF THAT FUND BALANCE IS NINETY NINE THOUSAND, BUT THE ACTUAL BUDGET FOR DESIGN WAS OVER FIVE HUNDRED.

YOU'LL SEE IN THE ORIGINAL LINE ITEM, IT WAS FIVE HUNDRED FORTY NINE THOUSAND FORTY NINE DOLLARS.

WOULD YOU SAY THAT NUMBER AGAIN, PLEASE? YES, SIR.

IT'S ONE OF YOUR ATTACHMENTS AND IT IS FIVE HUNDRED FORTY NINE THOUSAND AND

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FORTY NINE DOLLARS THAT WERE ALLOCATED FOR LAKESIDE DESIGN.

AND CURRENTLY, WE HAVE OUR REMAINING BALANCE OF OVER TWO HUNDRED SIXTY SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS, SO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS TO GET US TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH FOR FIVE FORTY NINE OH FORTY NINE.

WELL, ONE THING TO REMEMBER, THOUGH, IS WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR PARK, AND SO WE ADJUSTED THAT TO A THREE MILLION DOLLAR PARK, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THESE SAVINGS.

BUT I'M STILL.

WE CONTRACTED WITH CLARK CONDON FOR FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY NINE THOUSAND FORTY NINE DOLLARS.

YES, SIR.

IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FINAL PRICE OF THE PROJECT WAS, THAT WAS THEIR FEE.

FOR A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR PARK, YES, SIR.

DID THEY LOWER THEIR FEE FOR THE THREE MILLION DOLLAR PARK? YES, SIR.

WELL, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER GOING TO BE? THREE FIFTHS OR.

I WOULD HAVE TO I'M GOING TO SAY YEAR-TO-DATE ACTUAL, BECAUSE WE WERE COMPLETE WITH DESIGNS THAT WERE AT TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS THREE HUNDRED AND FOUR DOLLARS EXCUSE ME, WITH ME.

TWO EIGHTY TWO.

AND WE'RE SQUARED AWAY WITH THEM AT THE TWO EIGHTY TWO MARK, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

YES, WE JUST PULLED THIS REPORT LAST WEEK FOR THIS AGENDA SUMMARY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH ABOUT A THREE HUNDRED EIGHTY ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR FEE TO THEM FOR A THREE MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.

YES, SIR.

AS WE GO INTO THIS PROJECT, WHAT OTHER CONSULTING FEES ARE WE LOOKING AT NEEDING GEOTECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WITH? PAVING WORK WITH CONCRETE TESTING THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THIS THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES IS THEIR ENTIRE TEAM.

SO THIS IS CIVIL.

THIS IS THEIR ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.

THIS IS EVERYTHING.

THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO HIRE A GEOTECHNICAL FIRM TO DO THE CONCRETE TESTING TO GO OUT AND TEST THE PAVEMENT.

PRELIMINARY WORK.

AND AGAIN, WHEN THEY ARE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE THE BIT OF THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WHICH IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE DESIGN SERVICES AND FUNDS THAT ARE ALLOCATED HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, THAT IS WHERE THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE COMING FROM.

SO THE THREE MILLION DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE ABLC BOND IS WHAT WOULD PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION.

OK, WELL.

JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM MY ENGINEERING BACKGROUND, THE OWNER TYPICALLY PAYS FOR THE GEOTECHNICAL SERVICES, THE CONTRACTOR DOES NOT PAY FOR THE GEOTECHNICAL SERVICES, THAT'S TO KEEP THE CONTRACTOR FROM ANY KIND OF PERCEPTION OF ANY KIND OF HANKIE PANKY.

IT'S JUST WITH THEM TO TO CLARIFY AND SEND YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON THAT AS WELL.

I HOPE I WASN'T BEING OFFENSIVE BY SAYING HANKIE PANKY [LAUGHTER] JUST ANOTHER LAYER TO WATCH.

I'M SORRY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM.

BUT NOW I'LL PULL THIS BACK FOR YOU.

[LAUGHTER] OK, I'M BEING SCHOOLED AGAIN.

I'LL TELL YOU.

WHY CLARK CONDON? NOBODY ELSE COULD BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE? SO THIS IS NOT AN RFQ TYPE OF SERVICE.

THEY DESIGN THE PARK.

WHILE WE COULD GO OUT AND HIRE ANOTHER FIRM.

TO ME, THAT WOULD NOT BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST.

WE HAVE HIRED THEM FOR THE PROJECT.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE A SEPARATE CONTRACTOR TO REVIEW THE SAME DOCUMENTS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY THE FIRM WE HIRED.

THE REASON WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE BUDGET AMOUNTS, BECAUSE ON YOUR FRONT PAGE, IT SAYS BUDGET AMOUNT NINETY NINE THOUSAND I LOVE TO POINT THAT OUT WHEN I SEE THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I TELL CHRIS AND FRANCES ALL THE TIME.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IS IN HERE THIS TIME THAT THERE'S

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NOTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK FOR, FOR MORE SPENDING.

SURE, AND ANOTHER THING THAT I ACTUALLY TALKED TO ELIZABETH GILBERT ABOUT THE SERVICES IS AND HER SUBS WOULD AGREE AS WELL.

WHILE WE'LL HAVE A BASE WE COULD HAVE AND NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT AND BILL BY THE HOUR, BUT THAT WOULD NOT MEAN THAT, HEY, I'M GIVING YOU A CALL.

I NEED YOU TO COME DOWN HERE.

WE WOULD SET UP A SCHEDULE.

WE WOULD HAVE MANY OF THE SAME SERVICES THAT ARE OUTLINED HERE AS A BASE.

BUT SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE RFIS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RFIS WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE ON THIS PROJECT.

SO YOU COULD HAVE 20 OR YOU COULD HAVE 2.

SO THOSE ARE THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION TO CONSIDER, AS WELL AS A BILLABLE HOUR.

I MEAN, WE WOULD AGAIN HAVE TO ESTABLISH A BASE OF WHAT WE WOULD INCLUDE, WE MUST INCLUDE.

AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE STEWART HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING AS HE HAS ALREADY STARTED REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS AND HAVING GONE THROUGH SCHOOL DISTRICT CONSTRUCTION BONDS.

HE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, UNDERSTANDS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WHAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE AS BASE SERVICES.

AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE COULD WE COULD BILL BY THE HOUR.

AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO THAT AS WELL, IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED WHAT IS PRESENTED HERE THIS EVENING.

I SEE THEIR HOURLY RATES.

HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT THE PARTNER DOING ALL THE WORK.

YEAH, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES, 15 PERCENT.

IS THAT THE NORM? ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 15 PERCENT OR SO.

BECAUSE I'VE WRITTEN BID DOCUMENTS BEFORE AND 10 PERCENT IS USUALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IN CRANE AND RIGGING IN THAT'S.

THAT'S ON A DIFFERENT SCALE, BUT 10 PERCENT IS WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING, EVEN 5 PERCENT.

BUT.

15 SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH TO ME.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, I WILL SAY WITH SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, I HAVE NOT SEEN 5.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT..

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT INDUSTRY.

ABSOLUTELY.

JUST REMIND THEM WE'RE WATCHING EVERY PENNY JOHN'S WATCHING EVERY PENNY.

WE ALL ARE, I THINK, FROM DIFFERENT ASPECTS, BUT WE'LL GET THERE.

I DO SEE COUNCILMAN BOOTH THE EXCLUSIONS TO THE CONTRACT.

SO OF THOSE FIVE, WHICH.

EXCLUSION? YES, SIR, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, THE LED DOCKS, THE GRAPHICS AND THEIR RECORD DRAWINGS OR ANY OF THOSE STAND OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON.

WE NEED RECORD DRAWINGS FOR THE PROJECT AND THEY'RE NOT INCLUDING IN THIS CONTRACT, INCLUDING THOSE RECORD DRAWINGS.

YOU NEED A SET OF DRAWINGS THAT REFLECTS WHAT FINALLY GETS DONE.

THAT'S WHAT RECORD DRAWINGS ARE.

YOU KNOW, SO.

THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE EXTRA FOR THAT WHEN THEY FIND OUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE].

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY UP TO TWELVE POINT SEVEN PERCENT OF THE OF THE THREE MILLION DOLLARS PUT THERE WITH THEIR FEES.

ALL RIGHT COUNCIL, THIS IS A POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM WHAT IS YALL'S PLEASURE? HIT THE WRONG BUTTON.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE, WE APPROVED THE PROPOSAL OF THE LAKESIDE PARK BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES AND AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PROPOSAL WITH THE.

I GUESS WITH GETTING THE RECORD DRAWING'S RESOLVED AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE 15 PERCENT CANNOT BE NEGOTIATED AT 10 PERCENT.

I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SAY THE LAST PART THE 15 PERCENT, THE EXPENSES COST PLUS 15 INSTEAD OF MAKING IT COST PLUS 10.

WE AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THAT.

FEEL LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE BACKWARDS, BUT.

I DO UNDERSTAND THIS IS VERY TIMELY.

I HAVE A MOTION DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.

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I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AYE ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES.

MOVING ALONG NUMBER 15 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A MASS GATHERING

[15. Discussion and possible action on a mass gathering and closure of Bates Park for the 2021 USA Softball - Texas 6U State Tournament.]

AND CLOSURE OF BATES PARK FOR THE 2021 USA SOFTBALL-TEXAS 6U STATE TOURNAMENT.

MS. MEGAN.

SO I'M EXCITED TO HAVE AGSA REPRESENTATIVES HERE.

TODD PATTERSON, AGSA PRESIDENT, IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE MASS GATHERINGS APPLICATION THAT HE HAS SUBMITTED SO THAT THEY CAN HOST THE 2021 USA SOFTBALL TEXAS 6U STATE TOURNAMENT AT BATES PARK ON JUNE 4-6 OF THIS YEAR.

THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT BATES PARK BE CLOSED.

POTENTIALLY, IT WOULD NEED TO BE CLOSED SPECIFICALLY FOR PARKING.

AND THAT IS THE MAIN REASON.

AND THEY WILL BE TAKING GATE FEES, BUT THEY'RE HOPING TO ROLL THOSE INTO REGISTRATION SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAN GATES THE EVENT HAS TWO GOALS BY ATTRACTING VISITORS INTO THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO TO RAISE MONEY FOR AGSA.

THE MONEY IS BEING RAISED FOR.

THE ASSOCIATION WILL HELP FUND LIGHTING FOR FIELDS' FIVE AT BATES PARK.

SO BELOW ARE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY WILL HAVE AT THE EVENT, INCLUDING TOURNAMENT PLAY, VENDOR'S TEAM BOOTHS.

THEY'LL HAVE THEIR CONCESSIONS OPEN AS WELL.

AND THEY HAVE ALSO REQUESTED SOME ADDITIONAL HELP FROM THE CITY.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TODD SO HE CAN TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS EVENT.

WELCOME.

GOOD EVENING.

FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THAT TO MS. MEGAN AND STEWART HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP FOR US THROUGHOUT FREEZE THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC AND SOME OTHER STUFF.

BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ROUGH.

A LOT OF CITIES SHUT DOWN AND WE DIDN'T.

AND I MEAN, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YALL.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME.

I'VE BEEN THE PRESIDENT FOR SEVEN YEARS AND IAN PATIN MY VICE PRESIDENT NOW.

AND ONE OF MY GOALS WAS TO GET LIGHTS ON FIELD FIVE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS OVERDUE.

WHAT I SAID I WOULD DO, BUT I'M STILL HERE.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS HAVE THE MASS GATHERING FOR THE FEES TO BE WAIVED BECAUSE WE WANT TO TAKE ALL THE GATE FEE AND PUT TOWARDS LIGHTS FOR FIELD FIVE SO WE CAN HAVE BIGGER FOR TOURNAMENT.

BECAUSE THAT'S A MAJOR DETERRENT TO HAVING TOURNAMENTS IS ONLY FOUR FIELDS WITH LIGHTS.

SO WE WERE AWARDED THE 6U STATE TOURNAMENT THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE HELD TOURNAMENTS AND DISTRICT PRESIDENTS COME AND WATCHED OUR TOURNAMENTS AND THEY SAID, WE RUN A GREAT TOURNAMENT, WE KEEP OUR FIELDS UP.

AND SO THEY AWARDED US THE 6U STATE TOURNAMENT, WHICH HASN'T BEEN AWARDED TO ANGLETON FOR, I THINK 10 YEARS, ITS BEEN A WHILE AT LEAST.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

AND THEN AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, IF WE CAN GET GATE FEES, WHICH ALL STATE TOURNAMENTS DO.

THEN WE CAN PUT THAT TOWARDS LIGHTS, AND THAT'S OUR MAIN GOAL.

THE OTHER THING WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO HELP US WITH IS WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE BIG ENOUGH TO HOST A COACHES MEETING.

WE HAVE PROBABLY 60 TO 70 COACHES WILL BE HERE AND THE MORNING OF THE 4TH, WHICH IS FRIDAY THE 4TH, AND WE NEED A PLACE TO HAVE A MEETING BIG ENOUGH TO WHERE WE CAN EXPLAIN ALL THE RULES, ALL THE YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING.

HOW THE TOURNAMENT IS GOING TO BE RAN SUGGESTED, WAS WEST SIDE ELEMENTARY LUNCHROOM, BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON I SAID WEST SIDE IS BECAUSE MY AUNT AND UNCLE USED TO RUN THE BASKETBALL AT WEST SIDE.

SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN USED FOR OTHER THINGS.

THE OLD WEST SIDE OR THE NEW ONE.

THE OLD WEST SIDE THE OLD ONE RIGHT BY THE BATES PARK.

THAT WAY THE COACHES FROM OUT OF TOWN WOULD UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT.

IT'S NOT FAR FOR THEM.

THIS TOURNAMENT IS, LIKE I SAID, GOING TO BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, A LOT OF REVENUE TO THE CITY, MARK.

THAT RUNS CHILI'S USED TO BE ON THE BOARD AND HE SAID THESE TOURNAMENTS HAVE RAN HIM OUT OF FOOD [INAUDIBLE] OUT OF FOOD THEY'VE RAN PIZZA HUT OUT OF FOOD.

SO, I MEAN, IT DOES BRING A LOT OF REVENUE IN THE STATE TOURNAMENTS GOING TO BRING A LOT

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FOR MOTELS AND FOOD BUC-CEE'S IS GOING TO BE PACKED FIVE SO THAT WE CAN USE FIELD FIVE AND UTILIZE IT FOR THE STATE TOURNAMENT.

OF COURSE, WE ONLY NEED IT FOR LIKE AN HOUR BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE TO PLAY ANY LONGER THAN NINE O'CLOCK FOR THE LITTLE KIDS.

SO BETWEEN EIGHT AND NINE, WE WOULD NEED LIGHTS.

AND IF WE COULD GET HELP FOR THAT.

THE OTHER THINGS WOULD BE PORTABLE TOILETS FOR ESPECIALLY FOR THE GIRLS, BECAUSE THEY'RE LINED UP FOR HOURS AND THE BOYS AREN'T SO BAD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY THERE.

BUT HAND WASH STATIONS, SOME PORTABLE TOILETS BROUGHT IN.

AND ALSO WE NEED WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER DUMPSTER SET TO HELP US WITH THE TRASH BECAUSE WE FILL TWO OF THEM UP ON A NORMAL TOURNAMENT.

HOPEFULLY OUR FRIENDS AT WEST CONNECTIONS WILL BE GRACIOUS AND HELP US WITH THAT AND BE GREAT.

AND THEN WE'LL PUT A BANNER UP FOR THEM.

IF THEY WANT AROUND THE FENCE, WE'LL PUT BANNERS UP FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO HELP KEEP THAT IN MIND.

ALSO FOR THE COACHES AND THE PLAYERS AT MOST STATE TOURNAMENTS, WHO IS EVER HOSTING THE CITIES HOSTING THE TOURNAMENTS USUALLY GIVE THEM MY GIFT BAG.

ANGLETON GIFT BAG WOULD BE GREAT.

SOMETHING WITH ANY TRINKETS ABOUT ANGLETON OR SOME COUPONS TO GO TO CHILI'S AND TO LIKE [INAUDIBLE] AND TO SMITH ARTS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, JUST ANYTHING THAT WILL REMIND THEM THAT THEY WERE HERE.

YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT WE DID THAT LAST TIME.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER LAST TIME AND YOU KNOW, MOST OF THOSE KIDS ARE NOW PLAYING IN COLLEGE CAME FROM ANGLETON, AND THEY CAME RIGHT FROM BATES FIELD.

MY DAUGHTER IS GOING TO COLLEGE NEXT YEAR PLAYING SOFTBALL.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST WE JUST KEEP GIVING BACK AND BACK.

I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN HAVE KIDS PLAYING ANYMORE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I GOT TO GET LIGHTS ON FIELD FIVE BEFORE I CAN STOP.

SO THE OTHER THING IS SOME DISCOUNTS OR FLIERS FROM THE CHAMBER THEY'VE CAME.

AND WE HAVE A PLAQUE FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE GOT THE ONLY OTHER THING WOULD BE WRISTBANDS, FOR ENTRANCE.

AND PARKING, SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO SHUT IT DOWN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXTRA VEHICLES IN AND OUT WITH THE KIDS RUNNING THROUGH THE PARK, WHICH IS USUALLY A PROBLEM WITH TOURNAMENTS.

HOW MANY KIDS DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THERE? HOW MANY TEAMS? TEAMS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW BETWEEN 30 AND 40 TEAMS. WOW.

WHICH IS ABOUT 12 KIDS PER SO, ABOUT 360 400.

HOW FAR AWAY HOW FAR AWAY WILL THE TEAMS COME FROM? HOW FAR AWAY? YES, WELL, LET'S SEE.

WE'VE PLAYED MOST OF OUR STATE TOURNAMENTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN COLLEGE STATION AND BEEN IN BEAUMONT, SOME AS FAR AS PLANO.

SO WE WILL HAVE TEAMS FROM THERE'S NO TELLING.

I MEAN, IT THERE'S NO IT'S NOT LIMITED.

WE HAVE FOUR SECTIONS IN TEXAS, WHICH IS THE WEST, SOUTHWEST, IN THE SOUTHEAST AND NORTH.

SO MOST OF OURS WOULD BE FROM, I WOULD SAY AUSTIN TO BEAUMONT AND NORTH IS NOT PROBABLY DALLAS.

THEY USUALLY STAY UP NORTH, BUT.

WE'VE HAD TOURNAMENTS, JUST REGULAR TOURNAMENTS, WE BRING PEOPLE FROM THE WOODLANDS, FROM CONROE, FROM SUGAR LAND, FROM ALL OVER THE HOUSTON AREA, JUST THAT ALONE RIGHT THERE IS A LOT.

CAN I JUST MIGHT NEED STAFF TO HELP OUT ON THE LIGHTING, YOU'RE NEEDING THE CITY TO HELP WITH THE LIGHTING.

THE LIGHTING FOR THE PORTABLE LIGHTING.

THE PORTABLE LIGHTING FOR FIELD FIVE FOR THIS TOURNAMENT.

I DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE LIGHTS I THINK YOU HAVE SOME PORTABLE LIGHTS AVAILABLE.

I'M NOT SURE.

WE HAVE SOME PORTABLES.

I JUST I WAS WONDERING IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE FIRST FOR SOFTBALL.

WELL, SO I WAS GOING TO WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO A HOT FUNDS APPLICATION AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE FOR TROPHIES AND OTHER STUFF OR IT MITIGATES SOME OF THEIR OTHER EXPENSES.

AND THEN THEY GO RENT THE LIGHTS OR THEY GO SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.

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SO IT AUGMENTS THEIR BUDGET.

I WAS THINKING JUST GO OUT THERE ONE NIGHT PRETTY QUICKLY AND JUST SET THEM UP AND SEE I MEAN, JUST QUICKLY, THEY HAVE THE TOWERS.

I THINK WE CAN PULL THEM OUT THERE AND JUST SET THEM UP, SEE HOW IT FUNCTIONS, IF IT FUNCTIONS THE WAY THEY WANT IT.

MAKE THAT DECISION PRETTY QUICK.

IF I IN THAT BUSINESS, I WOULD DO A LOT OF RENTAL EQUIPMENT SO I CAN FIND SOMEONE TO RENT IF WE NEED TO BRING THEM OUT JUST TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD NEED, HOW BIG WE WOULD NEED THEM, HOW TALL WE WOULD NEED THEM, BECAUSE I'M REALLY NOT SURE THE HEIGHT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S THE LIMITING FACTOR WITH THE ONES WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN.

WE SET THEM UP FOR HEART OF ANGLETON THE CHRISTMAS GET TOGETHER AND STUFF.

I WALKED AROUND, I'VE JUST BEEN BLINDED BECAUSE THERE TOO LOW AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE WITH SOME OF THE PORTABLE LIGHTS, SOME OF THE COMPANIES.

THE RENTAL COMPANIES HAVE TALLER WAY TALLER.

IT MIGHT HELP, IT MIGHT BE BETTER.

CHECK IT OUT.

BUT I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A DOWNER, BUT NO, I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE GOING TO BE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE I MEAN, IF IT'S ONLY 20 FEET.

YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING BLIND SOME LITTLE KIDS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, FRANK, I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST WE HAVE SOLAR LIGHTS WE CAN PUT UP ON STREETS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING THAT JOKE BUT I DECIDED NOT TO.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SCARED TO.

SO AS A SIDE NOTE, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A COMPANY COME AND ESTIMATE THE LIGHTS.

IT WAS LIKE NINETY THOUSAND FOR THE MATERIAL AND ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY TO ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOR A TURNKEY FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR COMPANY.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE SAID WE BETTER DO SOME MORE FUND RAISING.

SO SIR, I THINK WE'D KIND OF LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW, IF OR IF WE CAN APPLY HOTEL FUNDS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING OUT OF TOWN, TOURISM AND SPORTS AND ALL THAT.

AND SO THERE'S MAYBE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

IT'D BE GREAT.

I DO WANT TO I MEAN, THE ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT HERE IS THE, I GUESS, ALMOST CLOSING OF BATES DICKEY OR BATES ALONE, JUST UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE CUT OFFS WILL BE FOR THE CITIZENS.

BECAUSE SOME OF THEM STILL USE DICKEY PARK ON THAT SIDE.

MAYBE THAT ONE WOULD NOT BE CLOSED OFF.

AND THIS BRINGS ME BACK TO THE POINT I MADE, MEGAN, BEFORE ABOUT THE GATE BEING TAKEN OUT.

WHEN WE DID THIS IN THE PAST.

AND THE GATE HELPED.

WELL IT STOPPED THEM BEFORE THEY COULD EVEN GET DOWN THE ROAD SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET DOWN THERE AND GET STUCK AND HAVING TO TURN AROUND.

YES, SO IN OUR PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT KEEPING MAINTAINING DICKEY AS AN OPEN PARK, AND SO WE WOULD JUST RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION, WE WOULD PROVIDE MATERIALS, WHETHER THAT'S BARRICADES OR WE RENT FENCING.

AND THEY WOULD THEIR VOLUNTEERS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANNING THOSE GATES.

SO WE WOULD HELP THEM IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY NEED TO DEVELOP A MAP SO THAT OUR PUBLIC KNOWS DICKEY PARK IS OPEN.

BUT TOURNAMENT PLAYERS NEED TO COME DOWN WALKER AND ENTER FROM IS IT HAZEL OR AM I MAKING THAT UP..

THAT STREET THAT ENTERS IN BATES PARK ROAD.

BATES PARK ROAD THE ONE BY THE OLD WEST SIDE.

THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS BATES ROAD.

NOW OK.

THAT'S WHY I LAUGH AT IT.

BECAUSE IT WASN'T BATES IN THE PAST.

IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE BUT.

YEAH I THINK IT WAS HAZEL.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, IS THAT THEY ENTER AND EXIT IF THEY'RE DOING TOURNAMENT PLAY, WE PROVIDE BARRICADES AND IN THAT AREA OR LIKE THE BICYCLE FENCING, AND THEY WOULD HAVE VOLUNTEERS TO MAN THOSE AREAS FOR ENTRY.

WHAT WORKED WELL LAST TIME TOO WAS THE OLD WEST SIDE.

ALL THAT PARKING RIGHT THROUGH THERE, THAT WAS THAT PEOPLE COULD PARK AND WALK INTO THE PARK FROM THAT ASPECT TOO TRYING TO THINK OF ALL THE THINGS, BECAUSE THE CITY ACTUALLY HOSTED THAT ONE WE ACTUALLY HAD CITY PERSONNEL WORKING AND IT WORKED VERY WELL.

I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU HAVE A POLICE PRESENCE TO SOME EXTENT, WHATEVER WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN THAT ASPECT WHERE WE HAVE SOMEBODY DRIVING THROUGH OR WE HAVE SOMEBODY STATIONED OVER THERE.

YOU PLAN TO USE ALL FIVE FIELDS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? YES.

OH, BOY, THAT'S A LOT OF FOLKS.

YEAH, THIRTY SOMETHING TEAMS. THAT'S UPWARDS OF TWENTY TEAMS.

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TEN TEAMS PLAYING ON FIVE FIELDS, PLUS THERE'S TWO THERE'S A TEAM COMING UP, BUT TWO TEAMS COMING UP FOR EACH FIELD NEXT IF YOU'LL COME TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'VE HAD TOURNAMENTS WITH UP TO 40 TEAMS, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE CUT OFF ONE HOUR TEAM ONE GAME, ONE HOUR GAME ONE HOUR GAME ONE HOUR GAME.

AND I MEAN, IT WAS A LITTLE TOO FAST FOR SOME OF THE OLDER TEAMS BECAUSE THEY ARE.

FINISH THE INNING WHERE WE DON'T HAVE CUTOFF TIMES FOR THEM.

THEY HAVE TO FINISH THE INNING IF THEY GET IN A TIE.

NOW YOU'RE BACK TO, YOU KNOW, SO WE TRY NOT TO HAVE THAT MANY TEAMS WITH ONLY FIVE FIELDS IN THE DAY.

BUT IF WE HAD THE LIGHT, THAT WOULD MAKE THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, GIVE US TWO MORE GAMES EACH NIGHT.

DO YOU PLAN TO HOST THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT JUST AT BATES DICKEY, OR WILL YOU BE USING ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE PLACES? NO FOR THE STATE TOURNAMENT NO JUST BATES DICKEY.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THIS FOR SURE, TONIGHT OR TONIGHT, ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS IS POTENTIALLY WAIVING THE FEES FOR THE MASS GATHERING.

AND THEN THE SECOND LIST IS A LIST WORKING WITH CITY STAFF ON ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE, HELP WITH MARKETING, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE HAVE NO SAY SO OVER THAT.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF YOU NEED US TO MAYBE A LETTER OF SUPPORT OF THE EVENT THAT MAYBE GOES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN SAY WE SUPPORT IT.

SO WILL YOU HELP US SUPPORT THEIR EVENT? AND SO BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER SAYING WE CAN USE YOUR USE YOUR GYMNASIUM OR WHATEVER, BUT WE'LL BE GLAD TO IF WE NEED TO DO THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN YEARS.

AND THAT WAS ALWAYS OUR PREMISE, WAS TO BE A SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO COME DO TOURNAMENTS.

IT'S A REVENUE MAKER FOR YOU GUYS.

IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THEN GIVE EXPOSURE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK, YOUR VOLUNTEERS, WHAT YOU'RE DOING OVER THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT FROM US TO STAFF TO HELP YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL EVENT.

AND WHATEVER WE MAY NEED TO DO YOU KNOW.

THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT.

YES, DEFINITELY.

DEFINITELY.

AND THEN WE'LL JUST WORK THE LOGISTICS PIECE OUT WITH HOT FUNDS.

YOU KNOW, THAT WILL PROBABLY HELP WITH YOUR BUDGET, WITH YOUR BUSINESS MODEL FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO BUT I'M EXCITED, EXCITED FOR YOU GUYS AND DOING THAT AND THAT MAY BE PART OF OUR LONG TERM IS LONG TERM LIGHTING FOR FIELD FIVE IN THE FUTURE.

AND IF WE DO MORE OF THESE THINGS, THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO SWALLOW THAT ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLAR BILL.

HOWEVER, THAT WORKS OUT.

SO, GENTLEMEN, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THE LIST.

AND WHERE DO YALL STAND OR WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY JUST GENERALLY AND THIS AGSA, [INAUDIBLE] TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH TOWN, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS, ANYBODY WHO COMES FORWARD AND WORKS WITH YOUTH IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S SOFTBALL, SOCCER, DANCE, BOY SCOUTS, GIRL SCOUTS, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WHATEVER YOU'RE TAKING IN AND ADDING TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU REALLY ARE ADDING TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT MAKES THE PLACE A BETTER PLACE.

IT REALLY DOES.

AND AS YOU TALKED ABOUT THEIR OPPORTUNITIES, AS YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT, FOR THE GIRLS THAT YOU SAID MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING AND NOW HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPETE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN HIGH SCHOOL.

AND WE'RE PROUD OF OUR STATE TITLE HERE IN ANGLETON AND GIRLS SOFTBALL.

BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT BEGAN OVER AT DICKEY IN BATES PARK AND THE WORK THAT WAS PUT IN AND THE VOLUNTEERS, THEY GAVE THEIR TIME.

SO FIRST OF ALL, JUST APPRECIATE YALLS TIME FOR THAT.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THE CITY TAKING A SERIOUS, SUPPORTIVE ROLE IN THIS IN THIS PROJECT.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK INTO THE IDEA OF FUNDING OR WORKING ON A FUNDING PROJECT TO GET THAT FIFTH FIELD IN FAIRNESS, I'M OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.

BUT IF YOU ALL COULD BE OUT THERE AND SEE THE NUMBER OF TEAMS THAT NOT ONLY PLAY BUT PRACTICE AND THAT'S FROM YOUR LEAGUE PLAY TO YOUR SELECT BALL, AS THEY GET OLDER, IT STARTS BECOMING EVEN MORE COMPETITIVE.

BUT THEN IT ALSO MEANS THOSE ARE THE SAME GIRLS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO PRACTICING FOUR AND FIVE NIGHTS A WEEK, AND THEY'RE NOT AFRAID TO GO OUT AFTER THEIR SCHOOL PRACTICE AND STILL CONTINUE PRACTICING OUT THERE.

AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE PARENTS PITCHING TO THEIR DAUGHTERS, FIELDING AND [INAUDIBLE] MOMS IN THE OUTFIELD, CHASING BALLS FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

IT'S A GOOD THING TO SEE.

THERE AS FAR AS MY FEELING IS, YES, I THINK WE SHOULD WAVE THE PERMITTING FEE, WE SHOULD WORK WITH THEM AS BEST AS POSSIBLE TO I KNOW FUNDING IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE, BUT IT

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DOES SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT THE MONEY WE SPEND AND INVEST IN, IT WILL BE MONEY WE GET BACK.

AND HOPEFULLY THEN SOME AND I DO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS BEFORE, ANY TIME WE HAVE OUR GUESTS.

WE PLAY HOST AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH IN THE CITY.

WE GET TO SHOW OFF OUR CITY.