May 25, 2021 City Council

SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSION, IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG, MR. MCGILL.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I BELIEVE IT'S CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERNET BUSINESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO CONSIST OF BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT.

WHEN WE WERE HERE.

A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, IT WAS A TO MANUFACTURE MINI HOMES UP TO ABOUT 60 FEET IN LENGTH.

SO I WAS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT.

I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THIS INTERNET BUSINESS.

I DO LIVE AT 227 EAST [INAUDIBLE].

MY NAME IS BRUCE MCGILL.

I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING THAT UP.

I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IT WAS GOING TO BE THE NAME OF THE ZONING WAS TRYING TO CHANGE, BUT THE CHARACTERISTICS HAD NOT.

IT WAS STILL GOING TO BE A VERY NARROW STREET TO CONDUCT BUSINESS.

A DEEP DITCH ON THE SIDE AND LIMITED ACCESS OUT TO 288 AND THE LARGER STREETS TO GET TO.

THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE NOW, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A DIFFERENT BUSINESS THAN WHAT HE HAD PROPOSED TO HAVE IN THERE.

WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN A I THINK OF SIXTY OR EIGHTY BY ONE HUNDRED BUILDING AND MANUFACTURING MINI HOMES, MOBILE HOMES UP TO 60 FEET IN LENGTH.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO BRING DOWN OUR STREET AND COST CONGESTION.

SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I'VE BEEN THERE OVER TWENTY YEARS.

IT IS SURROUNDED BY HOMES AND IT'S NOT A BUSINESS AREA.

IT IS A LIKE I SAID NARROW STREET, VERY DEEP DITCH ON THE SIDE.

SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I CAN SAY ON THE MATTER ON THAT.

IT'S JUST IT'S HARD FOR BUSINESSES DOWN THERE IF IT'S GOING TO BE BRINGING IN TRUCKS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

WE ARE NOW AT A PUBLIC HEARING.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

DON'T RUSH ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

COME ON UP SIR.

JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

I'M ROBERT [INAUDIBLE] AND LIVE 202 PEACH POINT GEORGE CREEK, TEXAS, I'M THE GUY THAT'S BEEN MAINTAINING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ALMOST 40 SOME YEARS.

THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST OF THAT PROPERTY IS A MAN WHO HAS FENCING BUSINESS.

TO THE CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

FROM THERE, IT'S A GUY WHO WORKS ON WASHING MACHINES, ON DOWN THE STREET NEXT TO US ON THE EAST SIDE IS A JUNKYARD OR CAR DISMOUNT PLACE.

NEXT TO IT.

AND A LADY SELLS EGGS AND ON DOWN THE STREET, THE GUYS ARE PUTTING [INAUDIBLE] UP, GOT A PLACE TO WHERE YOU BUY SHEET METAL AND SEEM LIKE THAT'S A LOT OF BUSINESS GOING ON OVER THERE.

ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

THE TRAFFIC.

WELL, 18 WHEELER IS AS WIDE AS A GARBAGE TRUCK.

AND GARBAGE TRUCKS COME THROUGH THERE TWICE A WEEK.

NOTHING NOTHING HAS WENT WRONG.

THERE'S A BIG DITCH THERE, AND THANK GOODNESS IT IS BECAUSE WE WE WOULD DROWN IF IT WASN'T.

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THERE WAS TALK ABOUT PEOPLE.

DRIVING OFF INTO THAT DITCH OR GOING INTO THAT DITCH.

I'VE BEEN THERE ARE A LOT OF YEARS AND THE ONLY DITCH ONLY PERSON WHO WENT IN THE DITCH WAS A LADY WHO BACKED INTO IT FROM A DRIVEWAY.

MANUEL IS GOING TO MAKE THAT PLACE BEAUTIFUL.

I WORKED ON IT TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL.

YOU WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO ANGLETON, THINK ABOUT THINK ABOUT WHAT WHAT WE NEED MORE

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THAN ANYTHING ELSE, WE NEED BUSINESS.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

WHAT, MR. [INAUDIBLE] SAID, IS NOT ENTIRELY THE FACTS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIVE ON THAT PROPERTY.

HE COMES IN THERE EVERY SO OFTEN TO VISIT THAT PROPERTY OR TO MOW IT.

I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

I KNOW OF THREE PEOPLE THAT I'VE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE OR HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMPLETELY RAN OFF OF THAT DITCH BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GO AROUND SOMEBODY OR THEY JUST RAN OFF THE ROAD OR IT'S GOT A SHARP ASPHALT DROP OFF TO EACH SIDE OF IT AND THEIR WHEEL WOULD CATCH AND THEY WOULD JUST GO OFF IN IT.

IT'S BEEN TWO PEOPLE KILLED ON OUR STREET.

ONE OF THEM WAS IN MY DRIVEWAY.

I HELD THE MAN'S HEAD WHILE HE DIED.

THAT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AS HE WAS HIT BY A CAR IN MY DRIVEWAY RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

SO WHAT HE SAYS IS NOT EXACTLY TRUE.

LIKE I SAID, I'VE LIVED THERE.

I'M THERE EVERY DAY AND I HAVE THREE ACRES THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE PROPERTY.

I MAINTAIN IT WELL.

AND I KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU DRIVE BY THERE AND LOOK, THE GRASS IS TALL OVER THERE, IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AND SOMEBODY DOES NEED TO TAKE IT OVER AND TAKE CARE OF THE PLACE, BUT NOT TO RUN A BUSINESS.

YES, THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES ON THERE, I KNOW THE MAN DOWN THE STREET THAT I TALK TO.

HE DOES HAVE IN THE BACK YARD.

HE REPAIRS WASHING MACHINES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE FOLKS HAVE DOWN THE STREET.

THEY DO HAVE A SHEET METAL BUSINESS.

AND THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM, THAT IF THAT IS AN ORDINANCE [INAUDIBLE] AND THE CITY NEEDS TO TO TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE, I AGREE 100 PERCENT.

THE FOLKS ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, THEY SELL EGGS, THEY'VE GOT SOME CHICKENS.

THEY HAVE A LITTLE SIGN UP IN THE YARD.

THAT'S ALL THEY DO.

THEY SELL EGGS THREE DOLLARS A DOZEN.

THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS, REALLY.

I MEAN, THEY JUST SELL EGGS IF SOMEBODY WANTS SOME FRESH ONES.

SO EVERYTHING THAT HE DID SAY IS NOT EXACTLY TRUE, 100 PERCENT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY REBUTTAL ON THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST? I'LL LET YOU JUST LAST TIME, JUST BECAUSE HE CAME UP, I'LL LET YOU COME ONE TIME, PLEASE DIRECT EVERYTHING TOWARD US IF YOU DON'T MIND.

LAST CALL.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD, SIR.

COME ON UP.

WELL, ANYWAY, THE GUY THAT JUST SPOKE HERE.

HE CAME OVER THERE TO GET SOME PECAN FIREWOOD, AND WHILE HE WAS OVER THERE, HE WAS TELLING ME ABOUT THE LAND HE BOUGHT IN EAST TEXAS AND THE FACT THAT HE'S IN FACT THAT HE'S AND EVERYBODY RETIRES IN THAT FAMILY.

HE'S GOT TO MOVE UP THERE.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS.

BUT.

THIS YOUNG MAN, MR. GONZALEZ, IS TRYING TO GET STARTED AND HE PLANS, MY NEIGHBOR, HE PLANS TO MOVE AWAY.

AND AS FAR AS NOT MAINTAINING THAT PLACE, I USE THAT PLACE AS A SPOT TO.

KEEP MY EQUIPMENT BECAUSE I WAS IN THE CATTLE BUSINESS BECAUSE I WAS I WAS IN THERE QUITE OFTEN AND I DID KEEP IT MOWED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE LAST CALL? GO AHEAD, SIR.

I JUST WANT TO SAY REAL QUICK, I KNOW THE CONVERSATION KIND OF WENT A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE NEGATIVE ROUTE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORTING.

LIKE MR. [INAUDIBLE] SAID, I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO BRING IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOOKING NICE AND IT IS AN ONLINE BUSINESS AND IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A STOREFRONT OR NONE OF THAT.

AND YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO PASS BY THERE.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO KNOW IT'S A BUSINESS THERE EXCEPT MY HOUSE AND MY SHOP.

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YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO MAKE.

YOU KNOW, THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A STOREFRONT OR ANY EXTRA, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC LIKE THAT.

I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS AS WE GET TO DISCUSSION UP HERE.

HEARING NONE, COUNCIL.

MR. MAYOR I MOVE WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

DO APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMEN COMING UP.

AND LOTS OF TIMES WE DON'T ALLOW A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.

BUT THIS IS Y'ALLS CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.

THIS IS Y'ALLS CITY.

SO WE NEED TO HEAR ALL THE FACTS.

WE WANT TO GET ALL THE FACTS BEFORE WE MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHICH DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT OF YOU GUYS COMING UP.

I KNOW PROBABLY MY CITY, MY CITY ATTORNEY PROBABLY CRINGES A LITTLE BIT, BUT SHE'LL STILL STOP ME IF WE GET TO A POINT.

WE CAN'T GO GO ANY FURTHER.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR Y'ALLS COMMENTS AND THANK Y'ALL FOR SHOWING INTEREST AND PASSION IN YOUR AREA.

SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I WAS GOING TO DEFER TO ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK FIRST.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS INTERNET BUSINESS.

I WANT MORE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND KIND OF I WANT TO KIND OF DIVE INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I KNOW THAT P&Z DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION, SO I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO I NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

CAN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS INTERNET BUSINESS AND KIND OF THE FREQUENCY OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING, HOW OFTEN THIS, YOU KNOW.

THE BUSINESS PIPELINERSCLOUD.COM, MAYBE GOT YOUR PHONE, YOU COULD PULL IT UP.

AND I'M A WELDER BY TRADE.

SO WE WE SELL UMBRELLAS, WELDING UMBRELLAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WELDING SUPPLIES.

AND IT'S NO GAS AND NONE OF THAT, JUST LIKE WELDING HOODS, GLOVES, FIXING TO BE GLOVES, YOU KNOW, WELDING CAPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, JUST LIKE AN ONLINE OF WELDING SUPPLY.

WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? PIPELINERS WHAT? PIPELINERSCLOUD.COM.

AND THAT'S LINERS WITH THE S PIPELINERCLOUD.COM.

OK, AND SO KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH HOW YOUR BUSINESS WORKS.

SO SOMEBODY GETS ON YOUR WEBSITE, THEY ORDER SOMETHING, YOU CUSTOM MAKE IT.

CUSTOM, MAKE IT JUST YOU KNOW, WE, THEY PLACE THE ORDER ONLINE.

WELL, NOT REALLY CUSTOM.

YOU KNOW, WE SHIP OUT ONCE A DAY.

UPS SHOWS UP.

AND RIGHT NOW DURING THE SUMMER, SOMETIMES WE SHIP TO BUSINESSES.

BUSINESS TO BUSINESS AND BOX TRUCKS, OR THE 18 WHEELER DOES SHOW UP AND WE LOAD IT, LOAD THEM UP.

AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I'M RUNNING IT, RUNNING IT OUT OF FREEPORT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, BUT DURING THE PEAK RIGHT NOW IT'S PEAK SEASON.

BUT, THAT'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE PROBABLY THE 18 WHEELER, MAYBE TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK AND UPS TRUCK EVERY DAY.

WHAT'S THE BIGGEST WHAT'S THE BIGGEST TRUCK THAT SHOWS UP TO YOUR PLACE? AN 18 WHEELER FLAT LIKE A FLAT.

FOR WHAT? WHAT ARE THEY PICKING UP FOR THAT? THE PALLETS.

SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE I NEED TO SHIP A PALLET TO ODESSA, JUST A SMALL PALLET.

BUT 18 WHEELER SHOWS UP AND IT'S CALLED THE LTL FREIGHT.

SO THEY HAVE A TRUCK FULL OF DIFFERENT PALLETS AND WE LOAD UP OURS ON THERE AND THEY DELIVER WHEREVER THEY NEED TO BE DELIVERED.

BUT WE DO TRY TO KIND OF MAKE IT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO THAT EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SAY, THREE OR FOUR PALLETS IN ONE TRUCK SO THEY DON'T SHOW UP EVERY DAY.

SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR OUR CHIEF.

[INAUDIBLE] IS THERE AN ORDINANCE ON PHILIPS WHERE NO 18 WHEELERS ARE ALLOWED? I DON'T THINK SO.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET AN 18 WHEELER DOWN THAT ROAD.

WHERE WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO TURN AROUND AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET OUT OF THERE? ON THE PROPERTY [INAUDIBLE] Y'ALL APPROVE IT ON THE SITE PLAN.

WE HAVE IT TO WHERE THE 18 WHEELER GOES IN AND HE'S ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TURN AROUND INSIDE THE PROPERTY, COME BACK OUT AND HEAD BACK TO 288.

AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK WE'RE A QUARTER MILE OR HALF A MILE FROM 288 BUSINESS, MAYBE LIKE TWO BLOCKS DOWN THE ROAD.

YEAH I HAVE YOUR LOCATION PULLED UP.

I WAS LOOKING AT IT.

I MEAN, IN FAIRNESS, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S DOING BUSINESS ON THE SIDE LIKE YOU'RE DOING HERE.

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WHAT MY, MY CONCERN IS, IS AN 18 WHEELER OR SOMETHING GOING DOWN THAT STREET.

SOMEBODY'S SELLING EGGS NEXT DOOR TO YOU.

SOMEBODY'S BRINGING SHEET METAL IN.

I THINK PEOPLE DO THINGS OUT OF THEIR HOUSES ALL THE TIME.

PROBABLY HALF OF THEM WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

BUT WHEN MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHEN IT IMPACTS RESIDENTS AND SAFETY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THAT'S MY WHERE I'M STUCK AND STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

IT IS A YOU KNOW BIGGER TRUCK.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE MR.[INAUDIBLE] SAID EARLIER, KIND OF LIKE THE SAME SIZE AS A GARBAGE TRUCK OR LIKE A SCHOOL BUS.

AND I KNOW THOSE ARE NECESSITIES, YOU KNOW, AND BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE REGULAR ROAD AND THERE IS A DEEP DITCH THERE.

BUT I THINK I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIASED, BUT IT'S I THINK THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS, YOU KNOW, THE 18 WHEELER GUYS.

THE TRASH TRUCK HAS A SET ROUTE, SO HE KNOWS HOW HE'S GOING TO GET HE'S NOT TURNING AROUND AND DOING, GOING ON YOUR PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO AND USUALLY PEOPLE JUST WAIT FOR A SECOND, LET THE TRASH TRUCK GO BY.

SO I DON'T REALLY SEE A COMPARISON.

I UNDERSTAND THE SIZE, BUT IT'S I WANT TO KNOW HOW OFTEN THIS IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING.

IN PEAK SEASON.

I THINK I SAID WE COULD MAKE IT TO BECAUSE IT'S ALL UP TO US.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD KIND OF GET ALL THE PALLETS THAT WE HAVE FIVE PALLETS GOING OUT IN ONE WEEK.

WE'LL GET SCHEDULED TO WHERE IT SHOWS UP AND SOMETIME.

THEY JUST HAVE TO BE TWO DIFFERENT FREIGHT COMPANIES.

BUT WE COULD WE TRY TO COORDINATE IT TO WHERE IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO EVERY EVERY DAY LOAD THEM UP.

W COULD DO WAS TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK.

AND WE COULD ALSO SET THE TIME THAT WE NEED THEM TO SHOW UP.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE NEED THEM THERE IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

WE SET IT UP TO WHERE IT'S EARLIER.

MR. REEVES [INAUDIBLE] STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL? WELL, THAT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THE REPORT.

IN COMPARISON TO THE LAST REQUEST THAT HE MADE WHERE BASICALLY WAS TO REZONE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND ALL OF THAT IMPLIED, THIS IS A LIMITED USE BASE HERE, BASICALLY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND HIS SEVENTY TWO HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDING.

THE IMPACT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE.

YOU KNOW, NOT VERY HIGH AT ALL AS IT'S AN INTERNET BUSINESS, YOU WILL HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES, BUT, YOU KNOW, HE'LL BE HAVING HIS PARKING ON THE PROPERTY.

AND AND AS HE EXPLAINED THERE, WHEN WE REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, WE WILL CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH TURN RADIUS FOR AN FOR AN 18 WHEELER TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND AND HEAD BACK OUT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO BACK OUT.

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THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY MAJOR CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS THAT, BUT I THINK GIVEN THAT HE CAN PROVIDE HE'S GOT SEVEN ACRES, HE CAN PROVIDE SPACE ON THE PROPERTY FOR A VEHICLE TO TURN AROUND ON THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT WASN'T REALLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE.

HE DID PROPOSE A PRIVACY FENCE TO ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE AND THEN ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PROPERTY TO COME BACK TO THE EAST SO THAT THE BUILDING WOULD BASICALLY BE SCREENED FROM SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES.

WE DID INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT FOR SOME TREES IN THE FRONT TO TO HELP KIND OF MITIGATE THE VIEW FROM THE STREET.

SO IT'S IT'S WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE BEST THAT CAN BE DONE, TRYING TO GET TWO DISPARATE USES THAT AREN'T ALLOWED IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT IN THE CITY BY WAY OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO IT.

THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION WAS BECAUSE IN THE PAST, MAYOR, YOU REMEMBER WE'VE HAD PEOPLE TRY TO OPERATE DOG GROOMING BUSINESSES OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND WE MADE THEM DO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ON THE HOUSE, OR ON THE LOCATION SO THAT IF THEY SOLD OR SOMETHING, IT DIDN'T STAY IN THAT ZONE, IT WOULD GO BACK.

WHY WHY THIS VERSUS THE SUP? BECAUSE THAT IS IN A SUP THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE SO THAT THAT THAT AVENUE WASN'T AVAILABLE.

THERE'S NO SUP TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND THERE WOULDN'T BE AN SUP TO ALLOW AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE USE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THAT'S NOT HOW WE OPERATE IN THE PAST.

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I MEAN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE A SUP ON A DOG GROOMING BUSINESS OUT OF THE HOUSE.

AND I CAN'T HELP WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT THE CODE SAYS AND WHAT THE CODE DOESN'T SAY.

AND IT DOESN'T BONNIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK PLEASE? THERE IS AN SUP FOR DOG GROOMING, BUT THERE ISN'T ONE FOR THIS.

REMEMBER, THERE'S THE.

YES THAT OK.

CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES AND YES, THE DOG BUSINESS WAS ALLOWED.

THIS WAS NOT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ITEMIZED.

THANKS FOR.

SO THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION.

SO BONNIE'S ON P&Z, SO THANK YOU, BONNIE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS PROCEDURALLY, YOU SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SITE PLAN AND WE WANT TO MAKE A VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN.

IT SEEMS KIND OF BACKWARDS.

I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE THERE'S MONEY IN DEVELOPING THE SITE PLAN? NO IT'S.

[INAUDIBLE] COST? NO.

YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S AN EXPENSE AND A COST ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPING THE SITE PLAN.

AND I INSTRUCTED MR., YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT NOT.

TRY AND DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE IF THE ZONING WAS DENIED, THEN HE WOULD HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON SITE PLAN THAT OTHERWISE COULDN'T BE APPROVED.

YOU'VE SEEN SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU KEEP REFERENCING A SITE PLAN WITH TREES AND FENCE AND AND SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE MISSING.

AND THAT'S JUST MY MIND.

I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.

OBVIOUSLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

MY CONCERN ALSO DRAWS FROM THE FACT THAT DOES? I MEAN, IF WE REZONE THIS COMMERCIAL GENERAL WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY, AS YOU SEEKING AND SUGGESTING FOR UNDER THE CITY'S GUIDES, DOES THAT NOT PASS TO FUTURE DEVELOPERS? I MEAN, IF HE TWO YEARS FROM DOWN THE ROAD, HE JUST SAYS THIS ISN'T MAKING IT.

I'M GOING OUT OF BUSINESS AND HE SELLS THE PROPERTY, DOESN'T GO BACK TO BEING RESIDENTIAL.

IT STAYS AS.

IT WILL STAY AS A AS A COMMERCIAL GENERAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IT'S ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE THE USES THAT ARE LISTED THERE IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO USE THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THOSE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE A SITE PLAN, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS IS A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE HE CAN NOW GO OUT WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE AND START DOING BUSINESS THERE.

HE STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND THE SITE PLAN WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND TO YOU ALL FOR APPROVAL.

SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE SITE PLAN AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT COMPLIES WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE TABLE? NO.

REGARDING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY BE AN 18 WHEELER, THERE'S TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TWO FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THIS PROPERTY.

THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A WIDE ENOUGH DRIVEWAY TO GET TO GET AN 18 WHEELER IN AND OUT OF THERE.

YOU WON'T BE YOUR STANDARD SMALL DRIVEWAY IT'LL HAVE TO BE A WIDER DRIVEWAY.

IT CAN BE DONE.

CAN I SPEAK TO MR. GONZALES AGAIN? OK, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, YOU TALK ABOUT SHIPPING OUT USING 18 WHEELERS.

CORRECT? WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING IN? I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE MATERIAL IN.

AND BECAUSE OF PALLETS.

SO HOW IS THAT MATERIAL GETTING INTO YOUR THE? ALSO 18 WHEELERS.

OK, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 18 WHEELERS BRINGING PRODUCT IN AND THEN I GUESS COMPLETED PRODUCT GOING OUT.

COMPLETED PRODUCT COMING IN AND COMPLETED PRODUCT GOING OUT.

OR NO.

OK, SO YOU JUST YOU'RE JUST A TRANSFER SITE.

I MEAN, ARE YOU BUYING IT FROM WHOLESALE AND THEN.

THE REAL QUICK, THE COMING IN IS WAY, WAY, WAY LESS THAN GOING OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE RATIO, MAYBE 90 TO 10 OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING OUT AND THEN THAN COMING IN.

AND SO BUT ALL YOUR, ALL THE BUSINESS THAT'S GOING OUT ISN'T ALWAYS GOING TO BE ON AN 18 WHEELER.

NO, MOST OF IT IS UPS TRUCKS.

THE SMALL, LIKE THE BROWN TRUCK YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I HAVE A LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN TRUCKING AND YEAH THERE IS PLENTY OF [INAUDIBLE].

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I MEAN, REALLY ALL YOU NEED IS 40, 60 FOOT OF A DRIVE TO GET OUT OF THERE SAFELY FOR TURNING RADIUS OF A STANDARD 18 WHEELER, 40 FOOT TRAILER SO IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.

I WAS JUST MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND PEOPLE LEAVING, IT JUST TENDS TO A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

YES SO NO, NOTHING LIKE RIGHT NOW UPS THEY KIND OF SHOW UP AROUND ONCE A DAY AND IS LIKE AROUND FOUR O'CLOCK AND AND ALSO FOR THE THE 18 WHEELER RIGHT NOW, I HAVE THEM COMING IN AROUND ONE OR TWO AND MEAN LIKE I SAID, WE COULD KIND OF SCHEDULE THAT TO WHERE IT'S MAYBE TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK IN PEAK SEASON.

RIGHT NOW IT'S PEAK SEASON.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER STARTING GET A LITTLE BIT COLDER, YOU KNOW, THE UMBRELLA IS NOT YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S OUR MAIN PRODUCT.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SLOW DOWN DRASTICALLY.

SO YOU SAY RIGHT NOW YOU DO THIS BUSINESS ALREADY, BUT IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY? OUT OF FREEPORT, AT A BUDDY'S WAREHOUSE.

OUT OF A WAREHOUSE DOWN THERE IN FREEPORT.

SO GOING BACK TO THE LAST WEEK, HOW MANY 18 WHEELERS CAME TO DROP OFF TO YOU LAST WEEK JUST? TO DROP OFF TO ME? ZERO GOING GOING OUT.

PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE.

FIVE.

AND THAT WAS ONE PER DAY.

AND THAT'S NOT COORDINATING IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE, WELL, WE CAN COORDINATE IT TO WHERE IT.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT TWO, THREE PALLETS IN THE, IN ONE TRUCK, YOU KNOW.

HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WOULD YOU BE, I GUESS EMPLOYING? RIGHT NOW WE GOT FOUR, NOT INCLUDING ME AND MY WIFE.

MY PROBLEM IS THAT IF WE REZONE THIS, YOUR, YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO CONSOLIDATE AND ONLY ONCE A WEEK OR WHATEVER, BUT BY OUR REZONE, THERE'S NO STIPULATIONS TO THAT.

YOU CAN HE'S GOOD TO GO RIGHT? WELL, SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT'S REZONING AND SUBJECT TO YOUR [INAUDIBLE], SO YOU CONTAIN SOME CONTROL.

BUT OVERALL, YOUR [INAUDIBLE].

WHAT'S YOUR ENFORCEABLE ACTION ON YOUR CONCEPT PLAN? LET'S SAY HE FAILS TO LIVE UP TO HIS CONCEPT PLAN, WHAT'S OUR ENFORCEABLE ACTION AGAINST HIM? WELL WITHOUT THE APPROVED CONCEPT PLAN HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.

OK WE APPROVE IT, BUT HE DOESN'T ADHERE TO IT.

WHAT'S OUR? WHAT'S OUR? [INAUDIBLE] IT'S CODE VIOLATION.

AND YOU CAN FILE AN INJUNCTION IN DISTRICT COURT.

YEAH THE ACTION WILL BE AS ANY OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION WOULD BE IN ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT AND.

BECAUSE THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN PUT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON IT IF THERE'S SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU THINK NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THEM IN THERE.

SO MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS YOU TALK ABOUT THESE 18 WHEELERS, ARE THEY THE FULL SIZED TRAILERS? ARE THEY ENCLOSED OR ARE THEY OPEN LIKE IT'S JUST A BED? ARE THEY THE SHORT ONES OR ARE THEY THE FULL SIZE? THEY'RE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY A FULL SIZED ENCLOSED LIKE WITH THE BOX.

OK, SO IT'S [INAUDIBLE].

OK, SO THE 53 FOOTER, THE STANDARD 53 FOOTER? OUT THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I WOULDN'T KNOW THE DIMENSIONS OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THE REAL REAL SMALL [INAUDIBLE] I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IT'S LIKE A 40 FOOT TRAILER.

GOTCHA.

THE PALLETS, HOW HEAVY ARE THEY? AVERAGE MAYBE ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS.

AND YOU LOAD THEM WITH MANUAL LABOR OR DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A CRANE OR? NO NO MANUAL LABOR.

BUT TO LOAD THEM UP TO THE TRUCK, IT'S A FORKLIFT.

IT'S A WHAT? FORKLIFT ONE OF THOSE MODULE.

I JUST I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE WEIGHT OF THE TRAILER WOULD BE AND WHAT IT WOULD DO WITH THE ROAD THERE.

THAT'S ALL [INAUDIBLE].

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NOBODY WOULD REALLY KNOW TOO MUCH.

AND IT SHOULDN'T BE HEAVY, HEAVY BECAUSE THEY'RE USING DIFFERENT FROM DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE NOT LOADING LIKE THE SAME THING ALL THE WAY TO

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THE MAX.

SO, LIKE MY PALLET, IT MIGHT BE AN AWKWARD, YOU KNOW, DIMENSION.

AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAS AN AWKWARD DIMENSION.

AND IT JUST THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO LIKE MINE.

THEY'RE NOT STACKABLE OR IN A LOT OF THE GUYS, THEY'RE NOT STACKABLE EITHER SO.

LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO LOAD IT UP TO THE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEM HOW MUCH THEY CAN LOAD IT UP, BUT IT'S AWKWARD OBJECTS IN THERE.

YEAH, SO, I MEAN, THE STANDARD NON PERMIT LOAD IS GOING TO BE ABOUT FORTY THOUSAND POUNDS, BUT THAT'S JUST A FULLY LOADED TRAILER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT A BANANA COMING OUT OF THE PORT OR SOMETHING, BUT SOMETHING LIKE HIS OR PIECEMEALED OUT, THEY'RE PICKING UP LOADS, PALLETS, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH.

PROBABLY GOING TO BE.

I GUESS MAYBE TWENTY THOUSAND POUNDS MAYBE, WHICH IS NOT A LOT FOR FOR AN 18 WHEELER.

HE LOADS UP A 400 POUND PALLET, HE HAS NO CONTROL OVER AUTHORITY ON THAT TRUCK.

WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THAT TRUCK [INAUDIBLE].

THEY HAVE THEY HAVE LEGAL LOAD LIMITS THAT THEY CAN BRING DOWN THE HIGHWAY.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF THERE IS A PERMITTED OR POSTED.

LOADING ON THAT ROAD.

ARE THERE ANY BRIDGES? NO.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ON OR OFF.

YOU'RE ON.

WE HAVE NINETEEN SIXTY FIVE CODE PROVISIONS THAT ALLOWS YOUR CHIEF OF POLICE TO PASS THOSE ORDINANCES.

THERE IS NOTHING CODIFIED RIGHT NOW REGARDING 18 WHEELERS ON PHILLIPS ROAD.

YOU DO HAVE CODE PROVISIONS REGARDING CONCRETE.

SO TRUCKS CARRYING CONCRETE.

RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WHAT'S CODIFIED THERE IS NO ORDINANCE.

DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T ONE.

THERE COULD HAVE BEEN ONE THAT NEVER GOT CODIFIED.

AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, THERE'S NO ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO THE WEIGHT FOR THE 18 WHEELERS ON THAT ROAD.

THERE MUST BE ONE THAT'S NOT CODIFIED BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE STREETS IN ANGLETON DO HAVE THE NO TRUCKS.

SO SOMEWHERE AN ORDINANCE WAS PASSED OR.

ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH YOUR BUSINESS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT THE HEAVY TRUCK LOADS COME THROUGH AND THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE STREET AND THE SAFETY ASPECT.

I HEAR WHAT COUNCILMAN BOOTH SAYS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND COUNCILMAN GONGORA BOTH SAY YOU CAN GET THAT 18 WHEELER IN AND OUT.

AND I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT EITHER.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THAT AREA RIGHT THERE WITH THE ROAD? AND, YOU KNOW, TO ME, PHILIPS ROAD IS NOT DESIGNED FOR AN 18 WHEELER.

WE CAN ALL AGREE OR DISAGREE.

BUT I MEAN, THAT ROAD IS NARROW, DEEP DITCHES AND JUST.

YEAH, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.

YOU DO THIS BUSINESS WITHOUT THE 18 WHEELERS, I'D BE ALL FOR IT.

BUT I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT'S THE HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? UNFORTUNATELY, I'D BE LYING TO YOU IF I TELL YOU THAT I COULD PERFORM THIS BUSINESS WITHOUT 18 WHEELERS [INAUDIBLE] JUST PART OF PART OF BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW.

PART OF BUSINESS, MR. GONZALES, I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL, APPRECIATE SAY I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK.

APPRECIATE YOU REORGANIZING YOUR BUSINESS MODEL.

I HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED BY YOU BOTH TIMES.

YOU SPOKE AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY MATTER OF FACT, I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN HONEST AND FORTHRIGHT FOR US.

YOU HAVEN'T TRIED TO SELL US ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY PRESENTING.

I DO AGREE WITH I THINK THIS STATEMENT WAS MADE I APOLOGIZE, WHO BY WHO, BUT THE NEED FOR BUSINESS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK.

I AGREE ANGLETON NEEDS BUSINESS, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS LOCATION AND.

ANYTIME YOU TAKE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THERE, BUY THERE EXPECTING IT TO BE THAT WAY.

AND THEN TO HAVE IT TURNED INTO SOMETHING THEY HAD NOT PLANNED FOR, YOU KNOW, CAN BE VERY UPSETTING FOR PEOPLE.

AND THEN I DO WORRY ABOUT THE ROADS.

IT'S JUST A CONCERN.

SO BOTH SAFETY AS WELL AS JUST THE WEAR AND TEAR AND AND ROADS ARE A PROBLEM IN ANGLETON, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO I THINK IT'S FOR EVERY CITY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO DO YOUR BEST TO PROVIDE SAFE ROADS.

SO I APPRECIATE IT.

I REALLY AM IMPRESSED BY EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID.

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AND I AGREE WITH A LOT WITH COUNCILMAN WRIGHT.

I MEAN, IF THERE'S JUST A WAY WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK, I'D BE HAPPY TO.

BUT I DO HAVE MY CONCERNS.

WHAT DO THE NEIGHBORS SAY, THE OTHER NEIGHBORS NEXT TO YOU? I GOT ABOUT MAYBE 10 SIGNATURES FROM THE NEIGHBOR AND I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT DOING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DID HAVE A CONCERN THE VERY FIRST TIME WHENEVER I WAS TRYING TO BUILD THE HUD, YOU KNOW, MOBILE HOMES THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS LIKE A PLAN IF I WAS TO BUILD THAT, I GOT A LOT OF PLANS.

AND SOMETIMES THE 15 YEAR OLD 15 YEAR, YOU KNOW, GOAL THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WAY DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, AND NOT THERE AT THAT PROPERTY.

BUT THEY DID HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT BUILDING MOBILE HOMES THERE IN THE AREA.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I EXPLAINED IT TO THEM IS GOING TO BE MY PERSONAL HOME AND THE ONLINE BUSINESS.

AND I GOT EIGHT TO 10 SIGNATURES.

ARE THOSE ARE THE SIGNATURES ARE ATTACHED IN THE BACK OF THE SUPPORT? WITH THE PHONE NUMBER.

MICHAEL VANHORN.

PERRY PRICE.

I THINK SO.

I TOLD THEM TO WRITE THEIR PHONE NUMBERS NEXT TO IT.

I NEEDED TO CALL AND VERIFY THAT.

ARE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF YOU? IT'S THE ONE TO THE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, THE ONE TO THE LEFT, THAT I COULD NOT GET A HOLD OF, THE PEOPLE THAT STAYED LIKE CLOSEST TO ME I KNOCKED FOUR OR FIVE TIMES DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.

ACROSS THE STREET NEXT TO MR. MCGILL.

THEY I TALK TO THEM, THEN DOWN THE ROAD ON BASICALLY ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE ATTACHED TO TO MY PROPERTY GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT GOING DOWN [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU, MR. MCGILL.

GOING DOWN [INAUDIBLE] EVERYBODY THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THEM ALL EXCEPT ONE GUY.

AND HE SAID IT WAS A RENTAL PROPERTY.

HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO SELL IT.

AND HE JUST I WENT THERE AND THE HANDYMAN WAS THERE.

SO HE GAVE ME THE NUMBER AND HE JUST LIKE I'M GONNA SELL THE PROPERTY, I AIN'T INTERESTED.

SO I COULDN'T GET HIS SIGNATURE.

I SEE ALL THE CARS IN THE BACK OF THE OTHER PLACE.

I MEAN.

IS THERE A STIPULATION THAT WE CAN PUT IN FOR AN ANNUAL REVIEW? WHERE IS THE CONCEPT PLAN? SHARE YOUR OPINION ON THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO REQUIRE AN ANNUAL REVIEW ON A ZONING CHANGE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD DO THAT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, BUT THIS ISN'T A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? YEAH, I KNOW, [INAUDIBLE].

IT'S THERE'S A BIG WHITE LIGHT POINTING RIGHT THERE AT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THERE OTHER THAN TO AMEND THE CODE.

OFFICE WAREHOUSE USE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND WHAT IS THE MANUFACTURED HOME ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO EVERY MANUFACTURED HOME PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY.

SO I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THAT THAT'S PARTICULARLY THE WAY YOU WANT TO GO WITH THAT, WHICH KIND OF LEAVES THIS.

NOW I SEE WHY P&Z DIDN'T TAKE ACTION.

I WILL TELL YOU, MR. GONZALES, I KNOW THESE GENTLEMEN UP HERE, THEY'RE RACKING THEIR BRAIN BECAUSE WE ALL APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANT TO BRING THAT BUSINESS UP HERE.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT WHERE SAFETY.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL FOR THAT SAFETY ASPECT.

I'M A FIRE CHIEF.

WE GOT MY POLICE CHIEF BACK THERE, I CAN TELL THEIR WHEELS ARE SPINNING.

IF WE ALLOW AN 18 WHEELER ON THAT ROADWAY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE TURNING RADIUS, WE KNOW YOUR PROPERTY CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.

BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M STUCK TOO, IS I'M IN THAT EMERGENCY SERVICES WORLD AND I'M ALREADY THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF AN 18 WHEELER, HODGEPODGE PALLETS AND IT FALLS OVER

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THE DITCH.

NOW, WHAT HAPPENS? YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE.

AND I'M THINKING THE SAME THING AS JOHN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER SOLUTION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TRY TO AT LEAST COME TO A SOLUTION WHERE YOU'RE HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY.

THE CITY'S HAPPY.

THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM ON HERE TONIGHT, THAT HAVE TO COME TO A SOLUTION, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE TO FIND A SOLUTION.

AND SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT IT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY GET IT SO THAT YOU COULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL DREAM OF OWNING YOUR BUSINESS AND BEING SUCCESSFUL.

MAKE IT [INAUDIBLE].

I FEEL LIKE WE'VE WE'VE COME PRETTY FAR MAYOR ON THIS.

AND I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO DENY AT THIS POINT, BUT I WOULD I WOULD OFFER THIS.

WHAT IF WE CAN TABLE THIS TONIGHT? LET'S PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO, MITIGATING SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND SEE IF WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS WITHOUT TAKING ACTION TONIGHT BEFORE WE DENY IT.

SPEAKERS] THEY CONTINUE TO A DATE CERTAIN, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO NOTICE.

AND THEN IF THEY WANTED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT WOULD JUST TAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OTHER THAN, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS OPEN TO A SAID DATE.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS.

AND FOR STAFF, CAN WE GIVE YOU GUYS 30 DAYS, 30 DAYS TO COME WITH A WORKABLE [INAUDIBLE] RACK YOUR BRAIN? WE CAN WE CAN DO ALL THAT WE COULD DO TO TRY AND FIND SOME RESOLUTION HERE.

I THINK THAT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE SOME COMBINATION OF A WIDER DRIVEWAY WITH A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF 18 WHEELERS.

AGREED.

COME TO THE PROPERTY.

I THINK SO.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD, GOOD PLACE TO START.

BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF AND CHIEF AND SEE.

THEIR ASPECTS AND WHAT THEY CAN BRING TO IT.

AND THEN LET'S KIND OF HAMMERED OUT AND MAKE SURE I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MORE TIME FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING.

AND I THINK WE'RE WE'RE CLOSE.

I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY DOABLE FOR THE FOR THE JUNE 22ND COUNCIL MEETING.

IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO THAT DATE.

AND WE HAVE 30 DAYS.

AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I MEAN, IF YOU COME TO ONE SOONER.

IT'S READY FOR THE NEXT ONE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T SEE.

THE THING IS THAT IF YOU CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT HAS TO BE BACK ON THE AGENDA.

WE CAN'T BRING IT EARLIER THAN THAT BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO NOTICE AGAIN AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO NOTICE EARLIER THAT.

[INAUDIBLE].

OK, OK.

CAN ANYTHING ELSE BE SAID TO THIS TONIGHT JUST TO COMMENT OR TWO? YOU CAN IF YOU LIKE SIR.

GO AHEAD.

REGARDING 18 WHEELERS, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT.

JUST TO CALL OUT THESE MOTOR FREIGHT COMPANIES.

THEY MAKE DELIVERIES ALL THE TIME TO VARIOUS SMALL COMPANIES AROUND, AND IT'S NOT LIKE HAULING DOLE BANANA TRUCKS AND PIPE OVER TO TENARIS OUT OF PORT FREEPORT, BUT THEIR DELIVERY TRUCKS AND IF THE ROADWAY IS NOT PROHIBITIVE FOR TRUCKS, THEN.

THERE'S NO LEGAL STAND TO PROHIBIT TRUCKS FROM COMING DOWN THERE TO GO TO HIS PLACE OR ANYBODY ELSE DOWN THAT WAY, SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD KEEP OUR EYE OPEN.

SAY IT GOES INTO EFFECT AND HE STARTS TRUCKING IF WE SEE THAT, IT'S STARTING TO TEAR THE ROAD UP.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO TALK TO THE TRUCKING COMPANIES, BUT HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT IN CONTROL OF TRUCKING COMPANIES AND THEY COME TO HIM AND.

AND NOW THAT YOU MENTION THAT I SEE THE MAYFLOWER HEAVY MOVER GUYS, I THINK A FEW MONTHS AGO SOMEBODY WILL BY ON MY STREET AND THERE WAS AN 18 WHEELER THAT CAME RIGHT DOWN MY STREET, BUT THAT WASN'T AN EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT DOES HAPPEN.

CENTRAL FREIGHT AND [INAUDIBLE].

YOU KNOW.

[INAUDIBLE] SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.

WELL, I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE COUNCILMAN WRIGHT IS

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CONCERNED THAT THERE MAY BE AN ORDINANCE IS NOT CODIFIED, THAT WHEN YOU DO COME UP WITH WHATEVER THE DIRECTION FOR STAFF IS, IS THAT WE TRACK THAT DOWN, BECAUSE IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD.

AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE THOSE SIGNS JUST POPPED UP ONE DAY, MAYBE WE PUT THEM UP IN AND YOU'RE RIGHT JOHN, I'VE SEEN THEM IN TOWN.

OK, MR. GONZALES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL WORK OUT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

OK, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

OH GO AHEAD SIR.

YOU NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT TO THE DATE CERTAIN.

MR. MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS FOR 30 DAYS TO JUNE 22ND TO BE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME.

SECOND IT.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL MEETING NIGHT? THANK YOU FOR CHECK SIR.

HEARING NO OTHER COMMENTS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SING.

THANK YOU, WALTER.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG, NUMBER EIGHT, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND

[8. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on Ordinance No. 20210525-008 amending Chapter 23 Land Development Code Article II Subdivision and Development Design Section 23-15 Drainage and Utilities Subsection I.8 of the City of Angleton Code of Ordinances; providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and effective date.]

POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210525-008 AMENDING CHAPTER TWENTY THREE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ARTICLE TWO SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT DESIGN SECTION TWO THREE ONE FIVE.

DRAINAGE AND UTILITY SUBSECTION 1.8 OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON CODE ORDINANCES PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR LEGAL PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND EFFECTIVE DATE.

WALTER? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, JUST A GENTLE CORRECTION.

THAT SUBSECTION I DOT EIGHT.

YEAH, THAT'S.

I GOT NEW CONTACTS TODAY.

I WISH THEY WOULD MAKE IT SO THAT IT LOOK LIKE AN I.

BUT THEY DON'T.

AS YOU RECALL, I THINK IT WAS LAST MONTH, LINDSAY MADE A PRESENTATION ABOUT ELECTRICAL BOXES IN THE FRONT YARD AND Y'ALL INSTRUCTED THE STAFF TO DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE TO HAVE THOSE IN THE REAR.

AND SO WE DID THAT.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY THE 6TH.

AND AS PART OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THEY RECEIVED ENOUGH INPUT TO DECIDE TO KIND OF MODIFY THE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO INCLUDE A PROVISION THAT THE ELECTRICAL BOXES HAD TO BE IN THE REAR UNLESS OTHERWISE AGREED TO BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE AND THE SERVICE PROVIDER.

SO THAT WORDING IS IN YOUR ORDINANCE, IN THE BACK UP THERE.

IT'S THE UNDERLYING WORDING IN THE ORDINANCE.

HAVING SAID THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THAT CHANGE FOUR VOTES IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED WITH ONE ABSENT.

AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AGREES WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

WE DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM HE DID SIGN UP AND.

SO, MR. [INAUDIBLE], IF YOU'D LIKE, YOUR WELCOME TO COME TO THE PODIUM.

OH, I DID IT AGAIN.

JUST REAL QUICK SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE HEARING PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING US DO THE PROCEDURAL THINGS WE [INAUDIBLE].

GO AHEAD, MR. [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[INAUDIBLE] WITH GREG STONE SUBDIVISION.

I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION ON THIS.

I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR NOT ONLY OUR SUBDIVISION, BUT ALL OF THE NUMEROUS ONES Y'ALL [INAUDIBLE].

LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT IN ANGLETON IN THE NEXT DECADE OR EVEN SOONER.

AND THE DIFFERENCE OF HAVING UTILITY CABINETS PROPERLY IN THE BACK OF THE LOT VERSUS NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY IS TREMENDOUS AS FAR AS I'M TRYING TO MAKE PRETTY STREETSCAPES AND STREETS FOR THESE BEAUTIFUL HOUSES.

AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP A LOT, CUZ IF IT'S THERE IN FRONT I CAN'T COVER THEM UP ENOUGH.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT ATTENTION.

THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT ON THIS ITEM.

ONE THING I FOUND OUT WHEN I GOT IN THIS SEAT THAT THINGS DON'T MOVE AS FAST AS WE WANT THEM TO, BUT THEY'RE MOVING.

SO, OK.

COUNCIL.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST, GO AHEAD.

MR. [INAUDIBLE].

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, LARRY [INAUDIBLE], 244 [INAUDIBLE] STREET IN RANCHO ISABELLA SUBDIVISION.

FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I'VE BEEN THERE SEVERAL YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE RAISED OUR KIDS TOGETHER.

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AND SO THIS IS A GREAT COMMUNITY.

WE SAY WE CAN ALWAYS GIVE A GREAT QUALITY OF PLACE, QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT WE CAN WORK VERY HARD ON A GREAT QUALITY OF PLACE.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.

I CAN TELL YOU WITH MY EXPERIENCE OVER 20 YEARS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR BRAZORIA COUNTY IN THE LAST 15 YEARS WORKING FOR THE CITY OF ALVIN, WE DID ADDRESS THIS ISSUE IN ALVIN, WITH THE UTILITIES IN THE FRONT.

HUNTER'S COVE, VERY SMALL SUBDIVISION IN ALVIN, UTILITIES WERE LOCATED IN THE FRONT.

AND IT JUST WENT OFF LIKE A BOMB.

AND THE CITIZENS DID NOT WANT IT.

THEY DID NOT LIKE IT.

AND SO WE REVISED OUR ORDINANCES SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

WE DO ALLOW THE ISLAND DOES ALLOW ON THE PERIMETER.

YOU CAN GO AERIAL AND COME DOWN.

EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO BE UNDERGROUND AND HAS TO BE IN THE BACK.

AND FOR A VERY SUMMARY OF REASONS.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT, AS MR. KAPLAN SAID, YOU CAN'T HIDE THAT.

I'VE SEEN IT.

YOU'VE SEEN IT.

YOU CAN'T HIDE THEM.

AND I DON'T THERE'S NO BUSH.

THERE'S NO FAKE ROCK THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO HIDE THOSE TYPES OF UTILITIES.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS I WATCH THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND THEIR DISCUSSION, WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE ORDINANCE CHANGE IS THAT IF THE DEVELOPER AND THE UTILITY AGREES, NOT YOU, IF THE DEVELOPER AND THE UTILITY AGREES THAT THEY CAN BE IN THE FRONT, THEN IT'LL HAPPEN.

IT'LL ALWAYS BE IN THE FRONT.

I GUARANTEE YOU THAT.

UTILITY COMPANY AND THE DEVELOPER ARE ABOUT MONEY.

BOTTOM LINE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE UTILITY COMPANY PRESENTED TO YOU THIS, THAT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.

IF THEY'RE THEY CAN COME TO THE FRONT.

THERE'S NO DOGS, THERE'S NO FENCES, THERE'S NO TYPES OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT IT WILL ALWAYS BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT.

SO I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

ANGLETON IS NOT I DON'T BELIEVE ALLOWED THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE CONSIDERING DIFFERENT SIZE LOTS, ALVIN CONSIDERED DIFFERENT SIZE OF LOTS.

AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE SAID YOUR AVERAGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A 60 FOOT LOT.

YOU MAY HAVE A 45, YOU MAY HAVE A 50, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME 75 TO ALLOW THOSE UTILITIES IN THE BACK.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP UP WITH THE STATUS QUO.

PUT THOSE UTILITIES IN THE BACK, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE UTILITY COMPANY AND THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LOOKING AT COST SAVINGS, ESPECIALLY THE UTILITY COMPANIES AND I'VE KNOWN TEXAS, NEW MEXICO POWER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

THERE'S SOME GREAT PEOPLE THERE THAT DO SOME AMAZING THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.

THEY WILL ALWAYS WANT TO BE HAVE THOSE UTILITIES IN THE FRONT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT I'M ACTUALLY SAYING.

YES, MR. [INAUDIBLE].

CLEAR.

IN THE BACK UTILITIES ARE ALMOST ALWAYS GOING TO BE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PREFERRED BY THE BUYER AND THE BUILDER AND SHOULD BE THE DEVELOPER.

NOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, AS I MENTIONED, IN THE PLANNERS, WHERE THERE CAN BE SITUATIONS WE HAVE PUT IN FRONT.

SO IF THE DEVELOPER AND THE UTILITY COMPANY AGREES AND THEN IT CAN BE IN FRONT, WE HAD THAT SITUATION ON IN ON THE LAKE IN NORTHWOOD.

SOME OF THE LOTS HAD TO BE IN FRONT.

WE AGREED WITH CENTERPOINT AND WE DID IT.

THERE COULD BE SITUATIONS.

BUT GOING TO HIS POINT OF STARTING IN THE BACK AND ON SPECIAL OCCASION OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE AND, Y'ALL EVEN MAY HAVE A SAY ON THAT IS IN THE BACK, BUT OCCASIONALLY IN THE FRONT, IF ONLY NEEDED.

SO I DON'T WANT TO OPEN IT UP WHERE I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, I AGREE TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE UTILITY COMPANY DETERMINING THAT.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ALL LOVE IT IN THE FRONT, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER IS NOT GOING IN THE FRONT.

DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR THEM.

SO I'M JUST MAKING CLEAR THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS? WE'LL PROBABLY GET TO THAT WHEN WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE CAN'T QUITE INTERACT, BUT DURING THE DISCUSSION FOR US, THERE WILL [INAUDIBLE] IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTION WE CAN ASK.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST.

WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL, MR. MAYOR I MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES.

SO NOW WE'RE BACK ON POSSIBLE ACTION OUT OF COMING OUT OF NUMBER EIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE GOAL IS, IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE

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THAT DEVELOPER BE ABLE TO CHOOSE WHETHER THEY WANT THE FRONT OF THE REAR.

WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THEM THEY WANT THE REAR.

BUT MY SCENARIO THAT IS PLAYING IN MY MIND, IF WE PASS THIS, THERE COULD STILL BE THE BATTLE WHERE THE DEVELOPER AND THE UTILITY COMPANY WILL NEVER COME TO AN AGREEMENT.

THEREFORE, WHO WINS, RIGHT? AT WHAT POINT? WHO WINS? AND DOES THIS HAVE TEETH FOR US TO STICK IT STICK TO OUR GUNS AND SAY, NO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE REAR? SO THAT'S JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S OUR INTENT.

THE ORDINANCE IS REAR ONLY OK, THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM.

SO CAN WE SO I'M JUST GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] THAT? BECAUSE LIKE HE SAID, MR. APLAN SAID THAT THERE MAY BE A TIME WHERE IT MAY BE TO COME IN THE FRONT, OR IF THE DEVELOPER SAYS, YEAH, I WANT TO BE IN THE FRONT BECAUSE I WANT TO REDUCE SOME COSTS.

HOWEVER, THAT WORKS OUT.

THIS ALLOWS SOME OF THAT FLEXIBILITY WHAT I'M HEARING IS NONE.

IT SAYS OR AT A LOCATION MUTUALLY AGREED TO BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESPECTIVE SERVICE PROVIDER, RIGHT, WHICH I DON'T.

WHICH CAN BE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

AND ADD I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT I KNOW.

I THINK IT WAS THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING.

THAT WAS THAT PORTION WAS ADDED.

TO ME THAT SEEMS LIKE A VARIANCE.

AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE IF IT IS A LOCATION MUTUALLY AGREED UPON THE DEVELOPER AND RESPECTIVE PROVIDER, IT'S THEN BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND GOING THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS THAT THE CITY SHOULD STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, NOPE, IT'S IN THE BACK AT THIS LOCATION.

AND THERE MIGHT BE A REAL REASON FOR THAT.

LIKE, THIS IS A NICE PRICED PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WHY ARE WE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS LOCATION, MAYBE IT'S A SMALL FIT AND WE'RE OK WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S A WEDGE SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY.

THEN IT COMES BACK, OK? ALL THOSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.

THERE'S MANY, MANY SCENARIOS I AGREE WITH, MR. MAYOR.

I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY SCENARIOS YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY IMAGINE.

THAT'S WHY YOU ALLOW THE VARIANCE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.

BUT IT STARTS IN THE BACK.

AND IF UPON AGREEMENT MUTUAL PARTIES, THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY AND TELL US WHY.

AND THEN WE MAY STILL SAY, SORRY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE OR IF WE AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT AND WE FOLLOW THROUGH.

SO THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.

I DO HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE I DO SHARE MR. BUEHLER'S CONCERN THAT IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO LET THEM JUST GO ON THEIR WAY.

THEN WHAT I THINK THIS IS ALL COMING BACK TO AND THIS IS JUST THE BIG GLOBAL PICTURE.

THREE HUNDRED FOOT UP IN THE AIR.

IS HAVING STANDARDS, RAISING YOUR STANDARDS, MAKE IT A QUALITY OF LIFE.

IF YOU TALK ABOUT WE GOT TO BE IN A COMPETITIVE MARKET AND WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST THE LAKE JACKSONS, THE RICHWOODS, I MEAN, EVEN ALLENHURST TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] COLONY'S BLOWING UP RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, JUST BLOWING UP WITH BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WHY WOULD WE BE SETTING OURSELVES BACK? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE, BECAUSE IT MAY ONLY BE ONE OR TWO BUYERS, BUT WHY WOULD WE WANT TO LOSE A BUYER? WHY WOULD WE WANT TO LOSE A RESIDENT WHO SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I JUST CAN'T STOMACH THAT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE NEXT TWENTY YEARS OF MY LIFE HAVING TO LOOK AT THAT TRANSFORMER BOX IN MY FRONT YARD.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT AND THEN MOVE ALONG TO SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN FIND A PLACE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, I GUESS, PALATABLE.

SO THAT'S ABOUT IT.

JUDITH IS LOOKING YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY.

NO OR.

SO I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT THAT WHEN THE CITY WROTE THE ORDINANCE THAT BUT THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ANOMALIES NO MATTER WHERE YOU BUT THOSE ARE RARITIES, IT SHOULDN'T BECOME THE STANDARD.

EXACTLY.

AND JUST SOMETIMES THEY SAY WELL IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO DO IT THIS WAY.

WELL WE'RE PAYING YOU TO PUT IN THE BACK PUT IT IN THE BACK.

I HAVE A CONCERN.

THIS ADDRESSES ELECTRIC SERVICE.

HOW ABOUT COMMUNICATION CABLES ALSO? THERE ARE PHONE BOXES THAT ARE OUT IN THE FRONT THAT ARE EXCEPT THEY'RE SMALLER, THEY'RE STILL AS INTRUSIVE AS THE BIG HONKIN TRANSFORMER BOXES.

I WOULD READ IT AS APPLYING TO ALL OF THOSE.

GOOD.

WELL THIS ONLY SAYS ELECTRIC.

ALL INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE IN THE BACK.

THEN I'D MAKE SURE.

I GUESS IF WE DEFINE IT THAT WAY PER THE SECTIONS ALL THAT INCLUDE ALL SERVICES, ALL UTILITIES.

THAT'S ALL THE LANGUAGE I'D LIKE TO [INAUDIBLE] OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SEE WHAT I'M SAYING JUDITH, I MEAN.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DEFINITION OF UTILITY, AS COUNCILMAN BOOTH STATED, WAS

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ITS, YOU KNOW, INTERNET PHONE AND ELECTRIC.

WHAT ABOUT WATER AND SEWER? DOES THAT GO IN THE BACK TOO.

NO SIR NOT THOSE.

STAY IN THE FRONT FOR SAFETY, KEEP THEM SEPARATED, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DEFINE WHAT UTILITY IS.

YOU KNOW, THE NATURAL GAS THERE IS I SEE THEM BEING ABLE TO BE PLACED IN THE FRONT.

THAT'S IN THE FRONT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OBTRUSIVE EVERYTHING.

YOU NEVER SEE ANYTHING UNTIL YOU GET TO THE METER.

THEN THE GAS LINE COMES UP.

BUT.

YES, EVERYTHING Y'ALL SAID UP HERE I COMPLETELY AM IN SUPPORT OF I THINK IT SHOULD BE A VARIANCE IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK.

WE HAVE A DEVELOPER, MR. APLAN, WHO [INAUDIBLE] UTILITIES IN THE BACK.

WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPER LIKE MR. APLAN WHO SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPERS WHO CAN'T AGREE WITH THE POWER COMPANY.

JUST THROW IT IN THE FRONT.

I DON'T CARE.

ARE YOU GOING TO CHARGE ME LESS MONEY.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

I CAN SAVE MONEY.

I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY GOOD TEETH.

AND MR. BUEHLER, I WANTED TO SAY COUNCILMAN BUEHLER, BECAUSE WHEN I SAT OUT THERE, YOU WERE UP HERE.

SO I LIKE WHAT MR. BUEHLER SAID.

AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO US, BECAUSE IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AROUND HERE.

AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED THAT.

SO WE SHOULD BE SMART AND START LOOKING AT THAT OURSELVES.

SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT MAYOR.

I'VE MENTIONED THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN MR. APLAN WAS HERE, BUT POWERLINES IN THE BACKYARDS ARE INSTALLED IN THE UNDERGROUND AND CONDUIT.

THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR POWER POLES TO FALL DOWN.

EVERYTHING'S UNDERGROUND.

THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR LIMBS TO FALL OFF OF TREES AND KNOCK THE WIRES OFF.

THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR SQUIRRELS TO PARK ACROSS THE TRANSFORMERS AND BLOW TRANSFORMERS UP BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL UNDERGROUND WHEN THEY'RE MOUNTED ON A PAD.

SO REALLY, IT BECOMES THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM EVEN NEEDING TO GO BACK THERE AND ATTEND TO ANYTHING BECOMES LESS AND LESS.

I MEAN, THAT'S THEY DON'T JUST ROUTINELY GO TO A TRANSFORMER UNLESS THERE'S A PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN.

SO NOW WHAT IS Y'ALLS PLEASURE? MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210525-008 WITH THE CHANGE OF STRIKING OUT OR AT A LOCATION MUTUALLY AGREED TO BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESPECTIVE SERVICE PROVIDER.

I HAVE A MOTION DO I HEAR A SECOND? WELL, I'LL SECOND THAT, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO THE COUNCIL WITH A VARIANCE OTHERWISE.

IS THAT IMPLIED HERE OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? YES, SIR.

I'M CLEAR I'M OK WITH THAT, MEANING THE WET VERSUS THE DRY AND WET, ALL UTILITY MEANS NOT JUST PHONE.

I MEAN, IT CAN BE MORE THAN JUST POWER, BUT ELECTRIC OR NOT JUST ELECTRIC.

BUT PHONE AND INTERNET NOW AS WELL.

I THINK THE DEFINITION WAS DRY UTILITY RIGHT IN THE BACK.

SO WE GOT TO DEFINE IT.

SO I CAN I WILL.

MR. MAYOR, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO APPROVE THE SAME ORDINANCE, CITY SECRETARY, CITY ATTORNEY GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

LET ME WRITE THEM ALL DOWN.

I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DELAY ANY MORE THAN WHAT PROBABLY HAVE.

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I AGREE.

ALMOST TWO AND A HALF MONTHS NOW SO.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE ONLY CHANGE IS THE DEFINITION OF UTILITY RIGHT, THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'RE REALLY ADDING.

NOW, THIS ORDINANCE IS REFERENCING YOUR PORTION OF THE LDC THAT ONLY SPEAKS TO LIGHT ELECTRICITY, SO IF YOU WANT TO ALSO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SPEAKS TO, SAY, CABLE BOXES OR AT&T BOXES, WE LITERALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR CODE AND MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT THERE WHERE THE ELECTRICITY IS REFERENCED, THAT IT'S OK A THAT IT DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY OTHER SECTION OF YOUR CODE.

SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, ADDING THE EXTRA LANGUAGE.

BUT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS WRITTEN SOLELY FOR ELECTRIC BOXES BECAUSE OF YOUR CURRENT POWER COMPANY.

IT WAS NOT WRITTEN THINKING ABOUT AT&T OR ANY OTHER COMPANY THAT PROVIDES SOME OTHER KIND OF THING THAT WOULD REQUIRE WIRING IN A NEW HOUSE.

SO LET ME ASK THE QUESTION TO MR. APLAN.

HAVE YOU HAD YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH AT&T THOSE FOLKS? ARE THEY MORE OBLIGED TO COOPERATE WITH THE DEVELOPER TODAY VERSUS [INAUDIBLE] IF Y'ALL CAN DO IT BY THE DATE.

NOTHING PROHIBITING YOU FROM INSTRUCTING STAFF.

WE NOW ALSO NEED AN ORDINANCE TO ENCOMPASS SOMETHING OTHER THAN ELECTRICITY.

OK, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS WE CAN APPROVE THIS ONE.

WE HIT ELECTRICITY? THAT'S THE BIG ONE RIGHT NOW.

WE KNOW THAT PROBABLY THE OTHER ONES ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE THEY WORK BETTER WITH US OR WITH THE DEVELOPER Y'ALL CAN GET THAT ONE ON THE NEXT ROUND.

IS THERE A WAY THAT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF THE MAYOR HERE THAT WE COULD APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AND WE KNOW WHAT ELECTRIC UTILITY IS JUST THAT? BECAUSE IF WHAT SECTION IT FALLS WITHIN OUR CHARTER, IF IN THE INTERIM YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, IF YOU FIND OUT IF WE CAN EITHER THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL ORDINANCE GOING IN THE PROPER PLACE IN THE CHARTER WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR.

I GUESS.

PHONE AND WHATEVER UTILITIES THAT WOULD FALL UNDER TELEVISION IF WE COULD HAVE THAT EITHER DONE SEPARATELY WITH LIKE YOU SAID, A NEW.

I'M SORRY, A NEW WHAT DO WE CALL THIS.

ORDINANCE.

A NEW ORDINANCE APOLOGIZE OR IF IT DOESN'T FALL IN SOME SORT OF SEPARATE CATEGORY, WE JUST COME BACK AND ADD THE DEFINITION OF UTILITY TO INCLUDE THOSE THINGS.

WELL, THERE'S THE MATTER OF NOTICE AND WHAT YOU'RE P&Z DISCUSSED AND WHAT WAS NOTICED FOR YOUR P&Z MEETING.

SO I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE NOTICE FOR THE P&Z MEETING SAID.

IF IT ONLY SAID ELECTRICITY OR IF IT SAID AUXILIARY WAS THE LANGUAGE BROAD ENOUGH.

I THINK SO.

SO AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH THE MAYOR HERE, I AGREE, AND MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON AND STILL COME BACK AND ADDRESS THAT OTHER ISSUE AND FIND OUT THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THAT OTHER ISSUE, EITHER THROUGH A NEW ORDINANCE OR WITH A DEFINITION OF UTILITY TO INCLUDE AUXILIARY UTILITIES, INCLUDING INTERNET TELEVISION.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER DEFINITION TO YOUR ZONING, TO YOUR LDC.

THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH P&Z YOUR CHANGING YOUR CODE.

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SO I THINK IF YOU WANT TO EFFECTUATE CHANGE, THEN PASS THE ORDINANCE WITHOUT THE LANGUAGE, AS YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED, WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO DO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NOTICE THAT AGAIN.

GO THROUGH P&Z COME BACK.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL WHEN IT WAS SOCIALIZED LAST MONTH, WAS WITH THE CONCEPT OF CLUSTERED CABINETS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF UTILITIES AND HOW THEY LEAN AND THEY GET OFF CENTER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THAT IT WAS INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF THE ABOVE GROUND UTILITIES IS WHAT WE CALLED ABG'S OR SO.

GOT YA.

THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD MS. LINDSAY.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN'T NOBODY ELSE CAN COME BACK AND SAY WELL YOU DIDN'T SAY COMMUNICATION CABLES.

OH, THERE'S LAWYERS AND VERY INTENTLY.

THAT'S WHY I RAISED THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ON UTILITIES? I READ VERY INTENTLY AND IF THERE IS MISSING LANGUAGE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ON.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OK? SO I THINK THAT THE INTENTION THAT I HEARD WHEN WE STARTED THIS WAS THAT THIS WAS TO GIVE THE POWER BACK TO THE PEOPLE.

THE IMPOSITION WAS UNILATERALLY JUST FROM THE UTILITY COMPANIES STATING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO GO IN YOUR FRONT YARD WITHOUT REALLY HAVING MUCH INPUT FROM CITIZENS, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY INCONGRUENT WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

SO THAT WAS THE INTENTION.

AND IT WAS SHOWN WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UTILITIES, THE CABLE ONES ARE PRETTY BIG.

I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK WE SAID THIRTY ONE BY THIRTY THREE INCHES IN SOME CASES.

SO I JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU GUYS WITH THAT.

SO MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WITH EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

TEN FOUR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO BE CLEAR HERE, WE'RE GOING THE MOTION IS TO BASICALLY HAVE THE LANGUAGE AS DRAFTED WITHOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT P&Z PROPOSED.

AND THERE'S BEEN A SECOND FOR THAT.

AND THERE WAS.

OKAY THANK YOU I JUST WONT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

I LIKE, THE IDEA OF BRINGING IT BACK TO P&Z FOR THE REMAINDER OF IT, TOO, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR INPUT FROM P&Z ON WHAT THEY'RE THINKING, TOO.

AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP MORE PROGRESS.

I DRIVE BY THAT SUBDIVISION EVERY DAY AND SEE A BEAUTIFUL STREET NICE SIGNS AND IT'S JUST THERE, YOU KNOW, MOTHER NATURE IS LEVELING IT OUT WITH ALL THE RAIN.

I'VE NOTICED THAT IT'S LEVELING THE DIRT.

IT'S LEVELING IT OUT.

OK, ANYMORE DISCUSSION.

DEVELOPERS, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH AND BEING A PART OF THIS AND COMING TOGETHER AS A GROUP FROM THE VERY FIRST CALL THAT I MADE WITH CHRIS AND FOR TEXAS, NEW MEXICO AND SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS AND ENGINEERS.

THANK YOU ALL.

THIS IS THE PROCESS, FOLKS.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO THAT HAPPY SPOT FOR EVERYBODY.

HEARING NOTHING ELSE.

CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES.

WOW THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG, NUMBER NINE.

NOW TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.

WE ARE GOING TO BUMP ONE UP.

AFTER WE DO NINE, WE'RE GOING TO BRING 15 UP, KNOCK THAT ONE OUT AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO NUMBER 10.

SO BEAR WITH US FOR A FEW MORE MOMENTS.

HOPEFULLY, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE PAINLESS AND GO QUICKLY.

SO NUMBER NINE IS DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ELECTION OF MAYOR PRO TEM TO

[9. Discussion and possible action on the election of Mayor pro-tem to serve as one-year term.]

SERVE AS A ONE YEAR TERM.

AS PEOPLE KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE DO ELECTIONS AND NOMINATE A MAYOR PRO TEM.

MAYOR PRO TEM IS THE PERSON WHO STEPS IN IN MY ABSENCE IF I BECOME INCAPACITATED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND FROM TIME TO TIME ON A BASIS BECAUSE OF MY SHIFT WORK, SOMETIMES I HAVE TO MISS MEETINGS.

AND SO THE PAST MAYOR PRO TEM OR THE CURRENT MAYOR PRO TEM HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.

HE HAS STEPPED IN AND TAKEN OVER THE REINS WHEN I AM NOT AVAILABLE.

SOME OF THEM BEEN ON SOME REALLY ROUGH NIGHTS, BUT I APPRECIATE HIS EFFORTS.

AND SO ALSO IT'S ALWAYS CUSTOMARY THAT THE SENIOR SERVING COUNCIL MEMBER AT THE TIME AT THE TABLE IS CUSTOMARILY ELECTED AS THE MAYOR PRO TEM AS WELL.

SO JUST TAKE THAT FOR FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY TWO CENTS AND IT'S NICE HAVING JOHN THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS.

I WANT TO ALSO GIVE YOU A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.

JOHN, THANK YOU FOR THIS LAST YEAR.

I'M NOT BRINGING THE TRAIN IN REAL FAST, BUT, YOU KNOW, GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WOULD DO ME THE HONOR, IF JOHN WOULD ACCEPT, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I'M NOT TELLING Y'ALL HOW TO VOTE IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.

[LAUGHTER] BUT I THOUGHT CECIL LEFT, SO THAT WAS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.

HIS BACK.

OK, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WE CONTINUE.

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MR. JOHN WRIGHT AS THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? JOHN, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.

NO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

WELL, AS MR. BOOTH REMINDED ME LAST TIME, THE VOTE HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

[LAUGHTER] BUT NOW ASSUMING THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE AS MAYOR PRO TEM AND I ALWAYS AM RIGHT HERE WHENEVER YOU NEED ME AND ALWAYS ENJOY HELPING AND DOING WHATEVER I CAN TO HELP STAFF OR ANY CITIZEN.

SO I APPRECIATE THE TRUST.

WELL, THANK YOU.

HE'S ALSO MY BACK UP TO COME SIGN CHECKS.

WHEN I CAN'T COME SIGN CHECKS.

CALL JOHN AND HE COMES TO SIGN THE CHECKS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, JOHN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

CONGRATULATIONS, JOHN MAYOR PRO TEM AGAIN.

[APPLAUSE] [INAUDIBLE] BY THE WAY, I GOT THREE MEETINGS ON THURSDAY.

AND COME SIGN CHECKS.

[LAUGHTER] YEAH, I LOOK FORWARD TO SIGNING CHECKS.

I'M ALWAYS WAITING.

REALLY? YEAH.

MR. FRUGALNESS.

I THINK IT'S COOL SIGNING CHECKS IT REALLY IS ESPECIALLY THE REAL BIG ONES.

OK, SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD.

AND JUST BECAUSE OF JUST FOR THE SAKE OF OUR VISITORS, WE WANT TO GET Y'ALL HOME EARLY ON AN EARLY EVENING AS WELL.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AND JUMP UP TO NUMBER 15, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE

[15. Discussion and possible action on the proposed Arcola Street Cross Section.]

ACTION ON A PROPOSED ARCOLA STREET CROSS SECTION THAT'D BE COME ON UP, SIR.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT.

THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS A CONTINUATION, I GUESS, OF THE TALKS ABOUT THE CROSS SECTION FOR ARCOLA STREET, WHICH IS STEMMING FROM THE COUNTY'S PLANS FOR THE COURTHOUSE EXPANSION OVER ON CHENANGO.

AND IN THAT AREA, THEY'RE LOOKING TO ABANDON THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE FROM LIVE OAK TO LOCUST COMPENSATION, TRYING TO GET A STREET SECTION FROM CEDAR TO LIVE OAK ON ARCOLA STREET TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR THAT TRANSITION OF TRAFFIC TO TAKE ON TO THAT STREET THERE.

I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKETS YOU SHOULD HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT WAS CREATED AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY HERE, CITY COUNCIL, TO PUT IN THE PICTURE BASICALLY OF THAT LAYOUT FOR ARCOLA STREET FROM CEDAR TO MULBERRY.

IT WAS FOUND THAT IT SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH ROOM THERE FOR CAPACITY OF USE OF THAT STREET FOR ITS PURPOSE, AS WELL AS THE ANGLED PARKING THERE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH TO BE ABLE TO FIT THAT IN THERE AS WELL IN THAT SECTION.

SO THE DIRECTION TRYING TO GET TO STAFF IS JUST CONFIRMING THAT CROSS SECTION SHOWN THERE FOR THE 28 FOOT BACK TO BACK CONCRETE STREET WITH TEN FOOT SURE PATH FOR PEDESTRIANS.

CHRIS, SO THE THE GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL WAS TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE LEAVING THE DIAGONAL PARKING IN FRONT OF THE METHODIST CHURCH.

AND SO OTHER THAN WHAT WE SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY FOR THEM TO DO FOR THAT SMALL PIECE OF ARCOLA, WE HAVE NO PLANS TO DO ANYTHING TO THE STREET.

EVENTUALLY, FOR SAFETY'S SAKE, YOU COULD PROBABLY STRIPE THAT ROAD A LITTLE BIT TO CREATE THE BEND, WHICH WOULD HELP TRAFFIC NAVIGATE AROUND THAT PART.

AND THAT'S A SIMPLE, LOW COST THING TO DO AT SOME POINT.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THAT AFTER THE COUNTY DOES THE NORTHERN PART OF ARCOLA.

QUESTIONS COMMENTS.

AND JAVIER I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE CENTERLINE OF THE 28 FOOT PAVEMENT COINCIDES WITH A CENTERLINE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT WOULD BE THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT YES SIR.

BECAUSE I CAN GO EITHER WAY ON A 10 FOOT SIDEWALK, BUT THAT OPENS UP TOPIC, ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO USE THE 10 FOOT SIDEWALK.

BUT I WANT TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT WE, AS BEST WE CAN, WE KEEP THE CENTER OF THE PAVEMENT CLOSE TO THE CENTER OF THE RIDE OF WAY, BECAUSE ONE OF THESE DAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE GONE.

SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS STREET.

SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TEAR SOMETHING OUT TO MAKE IT FIT TO FUTURE FUNCTION OF

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WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

BUT IF YOU KEEP YOUR STREET PRETTY WELL CENTERED, THEN IT MAKES FOR EASE OF EXPANSION IN FUTURE.

YES SIR NOTED.

I LIKE THAT IDEA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SURE.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD PUBLISH THAT TO SO THE CROWD COULD SEE? YES, I'M SORRY.

I JUST KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SEE IT.

SO, YES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

WIDER PAVEMENT THERE THE CENTERLINE PAVEMENT, WILL HAVE TO SHIFT OVER FROM IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH TO ALLOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THERE IS A ONCE YOU GET PAST, YOU NEED TO REDO THE SECTION PAST THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU HIT MULBERRY.

IT NEEDS TO SLIDE OVER AS FAR TO THE EAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A VISUAL PROBLEM LOOKING BACK TO THE EAST.

WE'RE NOT GETTING NOT TOTALLY ADOPTING THIS SECTION RIGHT NOW.

IT'S VERY CONCEPTUAL WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE GET TWENTY EIGHT FEET OF PAVEMENT BETWEEN CEDAR AND LIVE OAK.

IT'S REAL PRELIMINARY.

NO SURVEYS DONE WITH IT.

AND THIS SHOWS THAT WE'RE ADOPTING ANGLED PARKING IN FRONT OF THE METHODIST CHURCH.

WHENEVER WE DO GET TO THAT.

THANK YOU, FRANCES.

APPRECIATE IT.

WHENEVER WE DO GET TO.

WE'RE LOOKING AT REDOING ARCOLA AND MULBERRY WILL THE STATE HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT.

QUITE LIKELY.

PROBABLY.

BECAUSE ON ARCOLA, THAT ROAD JUTS OUT AND THERE'S I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR VEHICLE OUT TO THE SIDE BECAUSE IT COMES OUT THERE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK ON THE SHADING, THAT GREEN SHADE, IF THE ROAD GOING TO SHIFT OVER TO MAKE THAT A TURN.

RIGHT THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.

YOU MEAN LIKE JUST FOR RIGHTHAND TURN.

WHAT'S YOUR OTHER ALTERNATIVE? THE ONE THING, THOUGH, IS THE PARKING.

YOU OR JUST COLOR IT ALL ONE COLOR.

WHAT WOULD THAT GREEN LOOK LIKE? I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO BE GRASS, LIKE A PLANTER AREA.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DESIGNATED TURN.

I JUST THINK THAT WOULD HELP TRAFFIC FLOW.

BUT I THINK PEOPLE JUST SEE IT BETTER.

THEY'RE USED TO THAT.

WELL.

ALSO, AN ENTRANCE RIGHT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT.

NO, IT'S IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH.

THERE IS AN ENTRANCE TO THE SIDE WHERE YOU'RE THE EXPERT BACK THERE, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

COME TO THE PODIUM AND SAY THAT.

FOR THE RECORD.

FOR THE RECORD, I'M KAREN MCKINNON.

AND THERE'S TWO ENTRANCE TO THAT PARKING LOT FROM ARCOLA STREET AND THERE'S TWO ON CHENANGO.

SO IT JUST MAY BE SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.

ALSO, THERE'S A PARK.

THERE'S ALSO SIDEWALK ALREADY THERE? RIGHT.

AND IN JAVIER'S DEFENSE, THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY.

AND JUST TO GIVE A FEEL FOR WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE.

NO, SIR.

WE GOT I'M A VISUAL PERSON, SO I GOT TO SEE IT I'M A VISUAL KIND OF GUY.

THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE, MORE VISUAL, NOT ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, DEFINITE OR.

YEAH JAVIER YOU USED THE WRONG COLOR GREEN I MEAN.

A BLUE OR RED.

THE GRASS IS IN SPRING RIGHT THERE.

IT NEEDS SOME FERTILIZER.

CHRIS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING.

SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE 1965 ORDINANCE ON DIAGONAL PARKING, THE CHURCH HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR DIAGONAL PARKING.

SO PART OF THIS IS REVIEWING THAT PROCESS TO SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND SO THE INTENDED OUTCOME IS WE'LL WRITE HIM A LETTER BACK FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE SAYING THAT THEY'RE AUTHORIZED TO KEEP THEIR DIAGONAL PARKING.

AND WE CAN ALWAYS SET A TIME PERIOD ON THAT FOR A REVIEW.

AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS AFTER SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, EVERY 20 YEARS OR SOMETHING, A REQUEST.

AND THAT WAY FOR THE FUTURE, IT'S CODIFIED.

THERE'S A PIECE OF PAPER THAT DOCUMENTS THIS.

AND UNTIL WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, WHICH EVENTUALLY I THINK WE SHOULD, AS FAR AS I THINK IT SHOULD BE, A COUNCIL LEVEL APPROVAL, NOT THE CHIEF OF POLICE, BUT AT

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LEAST THEY'VE GOT A PIECE OF PAPER IN THEIR HAND.

SO THERE'S NO QUIBBLING OVER HOW IT GOT THERE WHERE IT GOT THERE.

IS IT APPROVED? IT IS NOT APPROVED.

BECAUSE LIKE CECIL SAID, WE WILL BE GONE ONE DAY WE GO ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR JAVIER.

THANK YOU FOR THE VISUAL, SIR, AND THE THANK YOU.

ALSO, CHURCH MEMBERS, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE OUT THERE.

WE THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND SHOWING INTEREST TO BEING PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

ANYTHING ELSE WE MOVE ON.

I JUST WANT TO MENTION I WAS WALKING IN THAT AREA LAST NIGHT WITH THE BOY SCOUTS AND WE FOUND THREE SCREWS IN THAT AND JUST FOUR SCREWS LAYING IN THE PARKING AREA.

SO WE PICKED THEM UP AND TOOK THEM.

BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.

I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE THESE DOING HERE? THEY'RE JUST LAYING ALL.

I MEAN, THEY WERE STREWN ACROSS, SO.

SO, CHRIS, IT DID SAY DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

THERE'S REALLY NO ACTION, YOU JUST GOT SOME GOOD DIRECTION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO FINALIZE WITH THE COUNTY OUR INPUT FOR THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT, FOR THE CLOSURE OF CHENANGO.

[INAUDIBLE].

Y'ALL ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REST I'M SURE THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU JAVIER.

THANK YOU MR. JAVIER.

OK, MOVING ON.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND SO WE CAN GET TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK, TAKE A LITTLE RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE TABLE.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE ON, SHOW US BACK AT THE TABLE AT 8:11.

NOW WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 10 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PRELIMINARY

[10. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary replat of the Bayou Bend Estates Subdivision.]

REPLAT OF THE BAYOU BEND ESTATES SUBDIVISION MR. WALTER.

MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 15.872 ACRES IN THE SF, SIX POINT THREE ZONING DISTRICT, AND ABUTS BOTH HENDERSON ROAD AND BUCHTA ROAD.

THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY REPLAT IS TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO 36 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND THREE RESERVE LOTS.

THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY REPLAT THAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY REPLAT AT ITS MAY 6TH, 2021 MEETING AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF SIX IN FAVOR.

ZERO OPPOSED AND ONE ABSENT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT BRIEF.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'M STILL TRYING TO PULL IT UP ON MY SCREEN HERE.

I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION AND FORGIVE ME IF I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT P&Z ASKED, BUT WAS THIS A DIFFERENT PERSON THAT CAME BACK ON THIS OR IS THIS THE SAME DEVELOPER FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO? YOU WERE ORIGINAL.

ARE YOU STILL [INAUDIBLE]? NO.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

IT WAS YOU AND NOW IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE, RIGHT? YES, IT IS.

I ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THAT FROM HAZELWOOD.

HAZELWOOD, SORRY.

THE HAZELWOOD'S AND PLANNED ON DEVELOPING.

I'D PUT DIFFERENT PLANS TOGETHER, DIFFERENT PLATS.

AND BUT LAST YEAR, I GUESS IT WAS THERE WAS PLENTY OF SIXTY FOOT LOTS.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANY DESIRE TO DO ANOTHER 60 FOOT LOT DEVELOPMENT, SO I SOLD IT TO CLINT.

LIKE WALTER SAID, IT DOES MEET EVERYTHING.

IT HAS BOULEVARD ENTRANCE.

WE CUT OUT A COUPLE AT LEAST THE PLAN THAT I PUT IN PLACE, WE HAD CUT OUT SOME LOTS IN THE FRONT.

SO IT'LL WORK BUT YEAH IT'S CLINT'S PROJECT NOW.

THAT WAS THE BOULEVARD, AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE QUESTION SO WE COULD HAVE THE TWO ENTRY POINTS, IS THAT WHAT IT IS FOR THE DOUBLE? MR. WALTER, I KNOW HE'S WRITING.

SO THE BOULEVARD THAT'S I GUESS, BEING PROPOSED HERE, IS THAT SO WE CAN GET THE TWO WAYS IN AND OUTSIDE THAT REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S PERMITTED UNDER THE I DON'T REMEMBER THE SECTION NUMBER.

SURE.

IT'S YOU CAN HAVE 30 LOTS WITHOUT HAVING A SECOND ENTRANCE AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN THAT IF YOU BOULEVARD THE ENTRANCE.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION.

BUT YES, THAT'S TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

ONLY BECAUSE I ASK BECAUSE I DO SEE HOW IT GETS TO THE [INAUDIBLE] TO THE EAST

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DOWNWARD THERE'S A STUB OUT, IT GOES INTO THAT LITTLE ALLEYWAY THAT'S ON THE LA LAJA THAT'S DOWN THERE.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST A TALKING POINT OR WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT PIECE BACK THERE.

JUST TO MR. REICHE.

CURIOSITY POINT, WHY THE ADDITIONAL 10 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION THERE ADJACENT TO BUCHTA ROAD WHAT NECESSITATED THAT.

THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CHRIS MIGHT ANSWER, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED PREPARING A PLAT FOR CHRIS BUILT HERE AND THERE WAS A 10 FOOT RIDE AWAY DEDICATION.

WE CONTINUED WITH A 10 FOOT RIDE AWAY DEDICATION.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THE FIRST 20 FEET INTO THAT SUBDIVISION, THERE'S NOT REALLY USABLE LAND THERE'S OVERHEAD, ELECTRIC EASEMENT ON THAT END.

AND THE BOULEVARD ACTUALLY TAKES UP ABOUT 90 FOOT WIDE STRIP OF THAT.

SO, I MEAN, THAT FRONT AREA, IT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT REALLY USABLE.

BUT I AM IN THE SAME BOAT AS YOU.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE WAS A RIGHT OF WAY I HAVE NO OBJECTION.

JUST A CURIOSITY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT GRANTING THE CITY 10 MORE FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY SERVES ANY PURPOSE TO ANYBODY.

BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

I GUESS.

IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING WHEN TALKING TO A PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER.

IT WAS RECOMMENDED AT THAT TIME.

OK, OFF THE END OF THAT CUL DE SAC WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] THERE IS A TWENTY FIVE FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT THAT LINES UP WITH THE 50 FOOT STUB OUT OFF OF LA LAJA STREET.

IS THAT GOING TO BE LIKE AN EMERGENCY ENTRANCE EXIT THERE OR SOMETHING OR WHAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THAT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A UTILITY.

IT'S CALLED A 25 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT IT COMES OFF THE EDGE OF THE CUL DE SAC AND GOES STRAIGHT DUE SOUTH TO THAT LITTLE STUB UP.

WE INITIALLY PLANNED A SUBDIVISION TO CREATE A WATER LINE LOOP FROM BUCHTA ROAD TO LA LAJA WITH THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DETENTION POND.

AND WE HAD ISSUES WITH NEEDING ACROSS AN EXISTING DRIVE THAT'S IN THAT 50 FOOT STUB OUT SEVERAL TREES AND A SANITARY MANHOLE OR SANITARY LINE.

IT JUST WASN'T REALLY FEASIBLE TO CONNECT TO THAT WATER LINE ON LA LAJA THE EXISTING WATER LINE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LA LAJA.

SO WE DO NEED A IT WAS IN THE PLANNING.

WE DO NEED TO TAKE THAT OFF THAT TWENTY FIVE FOOT WIDE I WAS JUST ASSUMING IT WAS GOING TO BE AN EMERGENCY.

WELL, WE HAVE A DETENTION POND THERE.

I SEE THAT.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT OF THE E BAYOU BEND ESTATES SUBDIVISION.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

IT'S JUST MORE OF A CURIOSITY QUESTION.

SO IT WOULD NORMALLY REQUIRE US TO HAVE TWO POINTS OF ENTRANCE AND EXITS DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF LOT HOUSES.

AND IT'S THIRTY SEVEN, WHICH I GUESS EXCEEDS THE 30 THRESHOLD, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THAT BUT BY BOULEVARDING IT WE GET AROUND THAT.

CAN HAVE AN IN AND OUT LIKE YOU DO YOUR TWO ENTRY POINTS OH, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS, IS JUST AND I'M NOT VOTING AGAINST IT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

THERE'S AN UNNAMED ROAD THERE, I GUESS, FROM THE OTHER SUBDIVISION.

THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL INTENT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO CONNECT TO ANOTHER HAVE I GUESS AN ENTRANCE OR EXIT POINT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE REFERENCING A SECOND AGO WITH AN ENTRY, HE'S TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY GATE POTENTIALLY THEN I WAS ASKING THE SAME THING WHEN I SAW THAT.

WAS THAT GOING TO BE ANOTHER WAY IN? YOU KNOW, ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO MOVE TRAFFIC TO A SECONDARY SPEAKERS] SO THERE'S ALSO A RETENTION YEAH.

THEN I SAW THAT I DIDN'T READ THE MAP ALL THE WAY SO UNLESS YOU GET A DUNE BUGGY THROUGH THERE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT.

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[LAUGHTER] RIGHT.

IN WHICH I GUESS IT WOULD BE VERY COST PROHIBITIVE.

OK, I JUST HAVE A CONCERN JUST GENERALLY IN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILT OUT ROADS AND STUB OUTS THAT WE DON'T CONNECT.

AND I JUST KIND OF HAVE THAT.

THAT'S JUST ONE OF MY PET PEEVES.

BUT OK.

OH, I'M WITH YOU SIR I'M ABOUT CONNECTIVITY, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE HEATED DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS AND OTHERS.

SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IF YOU GO TO BC UPDATES, THERE WAS A TALKING POINT THIS WEEKEND IT WAS THE I UNDERSTAND.

AND I KIND OF HEADED TOWARDS THAT AS WELL.

BUT I DO HAVE JUST A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE MAYBE, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CONNECTING SOME OF THESE STREETS UP.

BUT OK, ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE REPLAT.

INTENT TO PLACE UTILITY EASEMENTS ALONG THE REAR OF THESE LARGE FOR DRIVE SERVICES.

AND YES, CLINT [INAUDIBLE] HERE HE STARTED TALKING WITH TEXAS, NEW MEXICO.

I THINK HE HAD INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THEM IN THE FRONT, BUT, WELL, NOTHING'S BEEN STARTED YET.

SO WE'LL GET SOMETHING STARTED WITH PUTTING THEM GO FROM THERE.

I WOULD THINK AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING, THEY HAVE A HUGE INTEREST.

NOW, WHAT WE DECIDED TONIGHT, SO THAT MAY HELP THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

OK, ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES? ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

NUMBER 11 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON FINAL REPLAT OF THE RESERVE

[11. Discussion and possible action on the final replat of the Reserve Development.]

DEVELOPMENT.

WALTER.

THANK YOU MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE FINAL REPLAT FOR THE RESERVE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF CAN YOU HEAR ME OK, CONSIST OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE POINT SIX ONE ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE ACTUALLY COUNTY ROAD 288 NOT BUSINESS 288.

MY BAD I WAS THINKING IT WAS IN ANOTHER LOCATION AND FOUND OUT THAT I WASN'T CORRECT.

IT'S A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION, THERE WILL BE THE LOCATION OF 837 MANUFACTURED HOME RENTAL SITES.

THE CITY ENGINEERS MEMO ACCOMPANIES THE REPORT.

THERE'S NOTHING REALLY OF NOTE IN IT.

THE FINAL REPLAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING CONSIDERED THE PROPOSED FINAL REPLAT AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

FIVE IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED AND ONE ABSENT.

THANK YOU WALTER FOR THAT.

COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS FOR WALTER OR STAFF? WALTER, YOU SAID THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

YES, YES, I DID.

MAYOR I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT OF THE RESERVE.

I HAVE A MOTION DO I HEAR A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND IT.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THAT WAS MINE.

SO I WAS READING THE ATTACHMENTS AND IT SAYS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND.

SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION AGAIN.

IT SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDS IT.

THE ONE THAT HE WAS LOOKING AT.

OH OK? OK.

IT WAS ITEM 11, RECLICK IT AGAIN.

AND SO ALL THIS ONE SAYS STAFF DOES RECOMMEND SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU ARE LOOKING AT.

I JUST CLICKED ON THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

THE RED LINES HAVE ALL BEEN YOU'RE GOOD.

YOU'RE ON THE NEXT.

YOU'RE ON A DIFFERENT ITEM.

NO FURTHER COMMENTS MR. MAYOR.

[LAUGHTER].

OK, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

HEARING NONE I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

ALL RIGHT, NUMBER 12, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED

ONE NO.

THAT MOTION DOES CARRY.

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[12. Discussion and possible action on the proposed development agreement with Holigan Communities, Inc. for the Reserve Development. (Part 1 of 2)]

DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH HOLIGAN COMMUNITIES INC FOR THE RESERVE DEPARTMENTS.

MR. WALTER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE RESERVE.

AS YOU RECALL FROM A SPECIAL MEETING ON MARCH THE 30TH, STAFF WAS INSTRUCTED TO LISTEN TO MINUTES FOR THE MARCH 10TH 2020 AND APRIL 28TH, 2020 COUNCIL MEETINGS IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHAT REPRESENTATIONS WERE MADE TO COUNCIL AT THOSE MEETINGS.

LINDSAY LISTENED TO BOTH THOSE MEETINGS AND PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY IN DRAFTING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I WAS LOOKING THROUGH COUNCILMAN, IT'S FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS A THIRD COUNCIL MEETING THAT HAD HAPPENED IN JUNE OF 2019, LINDSAY LISTENED TO THAT MEETING AND PROVIDED NOTES FROM THAT MEETING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO DRAFTED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM THE STAFF ON ITEMS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE PACKET IS A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN MARKED UP BY THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY.

BASICALLY, IT REMOVES ANY AND ALL CITY REGULATORY ABILITY ON THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S NO ABILITY TO, AS PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER, THERE'S NO ABILITY TO REVIEW PLANS TO ISSUE PERMITS OR TO INSPECT AND OTHERWISE ENFORCE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE PLANS AND THOSE PERMITS.

THERE'S NOTHING UNDER STATE LAW THAT PREVENTS THOSE ITEMS BEING INCLUDED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THE PROPERTY IS IN THE ETJ.

AND WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE SUBJECT TO ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF IT'S INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY CAN BE.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY APPROVES THE PROPOSED MARKUP DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR.

SO NOW THE ONE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING THAT WAS SENT TO US, IS THAT THE SAME ONE JUST TO LET THE FOLKS KNOW THAT MYSELF AND CECIL WHEN WE MET WITH HOLIGAN GROUP AND TRIED TO CLARIFY, GET THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AND THAT POPPED UP IN THE PAST MEETINGS AND TRY TO GET WITH AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD MAKE WHAT COUNCIL WAS SUGGESTING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THE DEVELOPER.

SO WE SAT OVER THERE FOR A BIT OF TIME AND KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT AND TRYING TO DO IT SO IS THIS THE SAME MARKUP THAT THEY SENT YOU GUYS FROM FRIDAY? IS THIS THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT.

OK, OK, GO AHEAD, WALTER.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO, IT IS NOT I NEVER RECEIVED THAT AGREEMENT.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH FRIDAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS PAST WEEK.

THIS PAST WEEK, THIS PAST WEEK, THAT CAME AFTER THE PACKET WAS FINISHED.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT I SENT IT OVER.

IT CAME BACK SO AND I THINK I SENT IT OVER AGAIN.

SO THIS ONE MIGHT DATE.

PRIOR TO THAT.

TO MONDAY, LAST MONDAY.

BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT WENT BETWEEN THE ATTORNEYS.

OK, BECAUSE WHAT WE DID WAS WE SAT AND TOLD THE POSITION THAT WHAT COUNCIL WAS THAT DAY FOR THOSE MEETINGS AND SAT DOWN WITH THE HOLIGAN GROUP TO TRY TO GET A CLEANER VERSION JUST SO THEY WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE.

AND SO I APOLOGIZE IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE SAME ONE.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE EASIER TALKING POINTS VERSUS LONGER TALKING POINTS, TRYING TO CLARIFY LIKE LANDSCAPING BUSHES FLOWERBEDS PERMITTING WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

I THINK IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY SAY THE COUNTY WON'T BE DOING THEIR PERMITTING AND THEY WOULD BE GOING THROUGH THE COUNTY STANDARDS.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT WAS AT IN HERE I'M TRYING TO SCAN THROUGH.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE TALKING POINTS THAT WE TALKED OVER WITH THE HOLIGAN GROUP TRYING TO MAKE THIS PROCESS A LITTLE BIT EASIER TONIGHT THAN PRIOR TO I GUESS.

SO WHAT PERMITTING ARE YOU REFERENCING THAT NEEDS TO BE GRANTED BY THE CITY.

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SOMEONE.

IF IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE BRAZORIA COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHAT DO WE NEED TO INSPECT THEN? WE NEED TO INSPECT THE INSTALLATION AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BRAZORIA COUNTY ISN'T GOING TO DO THAT.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY CONFLICT DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

WELL, THERE'S A.

THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE ENTERING INTO WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO ACCEPT BRAZORIA COUNTY'S INSPECTIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S ENTERED INTO WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

I CAN'T STOP YOU FROM DOING THAT, BUT UNLESS THE CITY IS REVIEWING PLANS AND ISSUING PERMITS AND DOING INSPECTIONS, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE CITY TO BE ASSURED THAT WHAT'S IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS WHAT'S BEING BUILT OUT ON THE GROUND.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

I THINK WHAT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO DO WALTER WAS WE GET IT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GROUND.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE COUNTY STANDARD, WHICH WE KNOW THEIR ROADS IS A CERTAIN STANDARD, THEIR CONCRETE'S A CERTAIN STANDARD, THEN THAT'S THE STANDARD.

AND SO I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE STRINGENT THAN OURS, THEN THAT WOULD BE OK IF IT WAS WRITTEN IN AN AGREEMENT THAT SAID THEY WOULD BE ALLOWING THE COUNTY TO DO THAT PERMITTING OR THAT COUNTY STANDARD.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

IT'S LIKE NOBODY'S FAULT OR ANYTHING.

I JUST I WOULD THINK THAT IF THEY WERE STRINGENT THAN US, THEN THAT WOULD BE OK.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WAS THAT AND THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE TALKING POINTS THERE WAS MULTIPLE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DAY, GUYS.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET TO A BETTER POSITION WHERE THE DISCUSSION WOULD NOT BE AS LENGTHY OR TRYING TO GET SOME OF THAT KNOCKED OUT OF THE WAY.

AND THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH HIM AND HIS GROUP THAT HE SAID, YES.

THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS HE SAID, OK, I'LL DO IT.

YES, I DO REMEMBER THAT.

YES, I WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN THE AND WE WENT THROUGH THE DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE WE SAT DOWN WITH ALL OF US.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS TRY TO FACILITATE THAT EASE OF PROCESS.

I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU DIDN'T GET THE ONE THAT SHOWED SOME OF THE MARKUPS.

THE GUYS ARE HERE AND SO WE CAN GO THROUGH IT SOME MORE.

LOOK AT IT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW, THE BIG TALKING POINTS, LANDSCAPING, ROADS, TREES, SKIRTING.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF AND THEY AGREED TO WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED ON THE AUDIO/WHAT THEY HEARD FROM US THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE].

SO IT WAS MARKED UP INSIDE THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

WE HAVE THE GENTLEMEN IS HERE.

THEY DID TALK.

THEY DO HAVE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THEY SAID THEY WANT TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT COLLECTIVELY AS A GROUP.

AND YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE AND HEAR, ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO AGREE TO.

CHRIS.

SO I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE AS THE STAFF AND ATTORNEY ON WHAT YOU WANT US TO AGREE TO.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE AMENITIES CENTER OR WHATEVER, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, 4500 SQUARE FEET AND WHATEVER, BUT IF THAT'S NOT FOR EXAMPLE, GOING TO BE IN AN AGREEMENT, BECAUSE IT'S THE COUNTY AND THEY WOULD PERMIT IT THROUGH THE COUNTY, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE AGREEMENT AND IT'LL TURN OUT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IT.

I THINK THERE WAS SOME VERBIAGE IN THERE.

THEY DID SPECIFY THE FACILITY OR [INAUDIBLE] CENTER WAS GOING TO BE EXCISED.

SO MANY BATHROOMS WORK OUT AREA.

I MEAN, THEY KIND OF DETAILED IT.

WE DIDN'T SEE A PICTURE, BUT THEY DETAILED IT IN THAT AGREEMENT.

WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WE DID ASK THEM TO SEND US A RENDITION OR AND WE CAN AT LEAST LOOK AT AND SEE.

BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO SAY IS THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN QUESTION ON THE ORIGINAL THING, DID WE FIX IT OR DID WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS GET TO THAT TO THAT POINT.

CECIL, IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO.

IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT ARE WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE WHOLE TIME.

THIS IS LIKE A LARGE.

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FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEX.

DRIVEWAYS IN THERE ARE CONSTRUCTED TO BRAZORIA COUNTY STANDARDS, THE DRAINAGE IN THERE IS CONSTRUCTED TO, ACCORDING TO THE BRAZORIA COUNTY DRAINAGE CRITERIA MANUAL, THE WATER LINES AND THE SANITARY SEWER LINES ARE CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO TEXAS COUNCIL TCEQ STANDARDS.

OTHERWISE, YOU CAN'T DRINK THE WATER OR YOU CAN'T FLUSH THE COMMODES.

CITY HAS NO INTENTION OF ANNEXING THIS AND THE DEVELOPER HAS NO INTENTION OF REQUESTING ANNEXATION.

CITY COUNCIL HAS.

I THINK [INAUDIBLE] AUTHORIZE THE ENGINEER TO START DESIGNING THE EXTENSION OF THE SANITARY SEWER LINE ACROSS UNLESS I MISREAD WHAT I HAD SEEN IN AN EARLIER ITEM HERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO WE'RE MAKING PREPARATIONS FOR EXTENDING THE SANITARY SEWER LINE OVER THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS FACILITY.

SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE COUNCIL NEEDS IN THIS AGREEMENT.

I'M GOING TO FOLLOW JOHN'S LEAD FROM EARLIER TONIGHT.

WALTER, WHY DOES THE CITY RECOMMEND WE NOT? BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE CITY TO ASSURE THAT WHAT'S IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS WHAT GETS CONSTRUCTED OUT ON THE GROUND.

I'M NOT ARGUING, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS.

I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.

THAT'S ALL OF IT RIGHT THERE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW DO WE ASSURE THAT THE AMENITY CENTER GETS BUILT TO WHAT THIS SAYS IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE AMENITIES CENTER IF WE DON'T HAVE PLANS TO REVIEW AND PERMITS TO ISSUE AND INSPECTIONS TO DO.

I MEAN, REALLY, WE JUST NEED AN AGREEMENT TO GIVE THEM UTILITIES AND THEY DEVELOP THE WAY THEY WANT.

IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND WE HAVE NO SAY IN IT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM UTILITIES WITH WHAT UNDERSTANDING.

THEY PAY US SOME FEES RIGHT THAT [INAUDIBLE], AND THEN WE WIPE OUR HANDS AND SAY GOOD LUCK.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SAYING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SAYING WE HAVE ANY IT'S HANDS OFF.

IT'S THE COUNTY'S GOING TO DO ALL THE INSPECTIONS AND THE PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY STANDARDS THAT WE'RE REQUIRING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WINROSE GREEN OR ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT I THINK WE WE CAME TO AGREEMENT THAT THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT IS AN ETJ LIKE CECIL SAID THERE'S NO INTENT AS OF RIGHT NOW TO ANNEX THESE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, I WAS AS TOLD TO NEVER SAY NEVER, BUT YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.

BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS THESE THINGS THAT MADE IT A COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS SOMEWHAT ATTACHED TO ANGLETON.

AND SO WE THOUGHT WE HAD COME TO AN AGREEMENT PRIOR MEETINGS.

AND THEN THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD REFLECT THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, LANDSCAPING, THE AMENITY CENTER, THE STREET WIDTH THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ALL WE WERE SAYING WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GO TO THE TABLE THAT DAY.

AND WE CERTAINLY [INAUDIBLE] CHANGE YOU GUYS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR THAT IF THE AMENITY CENTER IS SOMETHING WE SAY WE WANT TO PERMIT THAT.

THEN WE ASK THAT WE SAY LET US PERMIT THAT PIECE, BUT WE JUST WENT TO THE TABLE WITH THOSE BIG ITEMS, YOU KNOW, HOW IS IT GOING TO LOOK? WHAT'S THE ROADWAY'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE? THOSE THINGS THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT THAT STAFF FOUND ON REPORTING'S.

AND SO THAT TO ME WAS WHAT I THOUGHT THE TASK WAS, WAS TO GET TO THAT POINT.

NOT SO MUCH.

WELL, I GUESS SO MUCH.

THE WHOLE WE GO HAVE THE WATCHFUL EYE OUT THERE IN THAT AREA.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WALTER IS SAYING IS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE PRODUCT IS BEING THE PRODUCT? RIGHT.

SO WHAT HAPPENS? YOU KNOW, A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD OR TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SAY, HEY, LET'S GO OUT AND SEE THE AMENITIES CENTER THAT THEY PUT IN.

AND YOU ALL SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE AGREED TO.

WELL WHO ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD RESPONSIBLE?

[02:10:05]

BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS ENOUGH SOMEWHAT DESCRIPTION/MEAT, IF YOU WILL.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO SEE.

DO THEY WANT TO SEE THE ACTUAL DRAWINGS? THEY WANT TO SEE THE ACTUAL BLUEPRINT.

I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE WHEN THEY GO BUILD.

I DON'T JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT TOO WALTER.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE CITY, WE ARE PROTECTING THE CITY AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS IN A DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT THAT FINITE DETAIL.

THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION.

YEAH, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT, THEN THAT'S FINE.

YOU AGREE TO THEY'LL PUT UP THEY'LL BUILD AN AMENITY CENTER THE WAY THEY WANT.

THE WAY THEY WANT.

OR THEY'LL BUILD IT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY THEN YOU KNOW WHAT'S YOUR CONCEPT.

AND SO GOING BACK TO THE LAST YEAR WHEN I SAT THROUGH THE BRIEFING, I HEARD THE SAME THINGS YOU ALL HEARD WAS, YOU KNOW, A TREE IN EVERY YARD OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WAS AGREED TO.

AND YOU ALL SAID, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT TO TURN OUT.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW THAT DIRECTION.

IF WE'RE MISSING THAT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, PLEASE TELL US AND AND WE'LL GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT.

SEE I THOUGHT WHAT CECIL AND I WENT TO GO DO WAS GET TO THAT POINT.

WE SAT WITH THEM AND SAID, YES, ONE TREE OR EVERY OTHER TREE OR I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] COMPROMISE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME TREES OUT THERE.

SO THERE MIGHT BE A SPOT WHERE TRAILER WILL NOT GET A TREE, BUT THEY WOULD SAY ONE TREE PER EVERY TWO OF [INAUDIBLE] THEY WOULD SHARE IN THE LOT.

ONLY BECAUSE WHEN YOU MOVE A TRAILER IN YOU PUT A TREE THERE IN 20 YEARS, IT GROWS.

YOU CAN'T GET A TRAILER OUT BECAUSE THE TREES ARE IN THE WRONG SPOT.

WELL, WE TRIED TO GET TO THOSE CONCESSIONS AND WORK IT THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT AND LIKE I SAID I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT WE WORKED ON FOR TWO HOURS THE OTHER DAY.

BUT STUFF LIKE THAT.

YEAH, SURE.

BUT AGAIN, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO WALTER AGAIN IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE THEM A CONNECTION AND SAY HERE'S YOUR SERVICE FOR WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN US IN THE THREE MILLION DOLLARS, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT IF WE WANT TO TREAT THEM MORE LIKE A DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY AREN'T BECAUSE IT'S A YOU KNOW WHEEL LOT DEAL.

WALTER ARTICULATE AND YOU CAN SAY YES OR NO, WE WANT THIS OR WE DON'T WANT THIS AND WE'LL BE DONE WITH IT AND WE'LL MOVE ON AND SIGN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

GO AHEAD, WALTER.

I'M SORRY TO.

NO, NO, NO PROBLEM.

IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 163.

163.

IT SLOWS SCROLL.

OK [INAUDIBLE].

THOSE TWO ITEMS ON PAGE ONE, SIXTY THREE.

WHICH IS PART OF EXHIBIT A ONE, THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT BASICALLY I SENT TO JUDITH, TO INCLUDE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THIS WAS THE PROCESS BY WHICH I FELT THE CITY'S INTERESTS WERE BEST SERVED, WHICH IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD SUBMIT A SITE PLAN PACKAGE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, AS DESCRIBED BY THE PROCESS, OUTLINED FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMITS IN SECTION 28635 REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN.

THIS PROCESS WOULD INVOLVE SUBMISSION OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION NOTICE TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND PUBLICATION OF NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER.

A PUBLIC HEARING, AT PLANNING AND ZONING AND RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON THE SITE PLAN PACKAGE AND A PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL WITH ACTION ON THE SITE PLAN PACKAGE.

THE SITE PLAN PACKAGE SHALL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING A SITE PLAN PREPARED PURSUANT TO SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, A LANDSCAPING PLAN, FENCING WALLS AND SCREENING PLAN, A LIGHTING PLAN AND A DUMPSTER PLAN.

AND THEN NUMBER TWO WAS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN PACKAGE.

PERMITS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT WILL BE OBTAINED THROUGH THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND INSPECTIONS WILL BE DONE THROUGH THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY CHARGE AS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR, IS TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

AND AS CHRIS SAID, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY REVIEW AUTHORITY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ABILITY TO BE TO ASSURE WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS WHAT'S CONSTRUCTED OUT ON THE GROUND.

AND THERE'S REALLY NO POINT IN DOING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE COUNTY ISN'T GOING TO ENFORCE THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT.

AND KIND OF AS AN EXAMPLE, WHEN I WORKED IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA, TARRANT COUNTY DIDN'T ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS IN THE ETJ IN THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF

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TARRANT COUNTY.

YOU WENT AND GOT AN APPROVAL THROUGH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND THEN YOU WENT OUT AND BUILT YOUR STUFF.

AND IF YOU AND IF THE FIRE MARSHAL WANTED INSPECTIONS THEN YOU HIRED A THIRD PARTY INSPECTION FIRM TO COME IN AND DO THE INSPECTION.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY OR NOT.

I SUSPECT THEY PROBABLY DON'T ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS.

THEY PROBABLY WON'T.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHECK TO SEE IF THE LANDSCAPING IS RIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHECK TO SEE IF THE AMENITIES CENTER IS WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS AGREEMENT.

AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WALLS ARE SCREENING OR ANYTHING ELSE AROUND THE PROPERTY IS WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

THEY'LL GO OUT AND IF THEY GO OUT AND CHECK IT ALL, THEY'LL GO OUT AND CHECK TO SEE IF THE DRIVEWAYS AND LET'S BE CLEAR HERE.

THERE ARE NO STREETS IN THIS PROJECT.

THESE ARE DRIVEWAYS.

THERE'S NO DEDICATED PUBLIC STREET HERE.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

IF THEY CHECK ANYTHING AT ALL, IT'S GOING TO BE TO SEE IF THE DRIVEWAYS MEET WHATEVER REQUIREMENT THAT THE COUNTY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE FOR DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE ON A PRIVATE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO, YES, THERE WILL BE SOME MINIMAL COUNTY OVERSIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT THIS AGREEMENT SAYS.

WE HAVE MR. HOLIGAN AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] MR. AARON.

TIME WAS MARCH 30TH TO GO THROUGH THIS.

WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY OF BRAZORIA IN THE ETJ OF ANGLETON.

IT'S NOT IN THE CITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBILITY OF BRINGING IT IN THE CITY.

COUNCIL MEMBER WRIGHT SAID NOT TO BRING IT INTO THE CITY.

WE TALKED TO YOUR PAST CITY MANAGER.

HE WAS HEY, YOU'VE GOT TO BRING IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO ANNEX IT.

IF THEY DON'T, WE STILL WANT TO SELL YOU UTILITIES.

WE WANTED TO PURCHASE UTILITIES.

THERE'S REALLY TWO WAYS WE CAN GO.

WE GO TO THE TCQ, WE CAN PUT IN WELLS AND WE CAN PUT IN OUR OWN PLANT.

WE'VE DONE IT MANY, MANY TIMES OR WE CAN BUY THEM FROM THE CITY.

IT'S EASIER.

AND WE LIKE TO BUY UTILITIES FROM THE CITY.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP TO DO.

THEY CAME UP WITH A PRICE, I BELIEVE IS APPROXIMATELY A MILLION SEVEN TO BRING THE SEWER LINE FROM A LIFT STATION THAT'S BEEN BUILT BUT NEVER USED.

BRING IT UNDERNEATH THE ANGLETON CLUTE ROAD.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU CALL IT ON THE SIDE, BUT I THINK IT'S CLUTE ROAD ON THIS SIDE AND ANGLETON DOWN SOUTH.

BUT BRING IT UNDERNEATH THAT ROAD, BRING IT UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO OPEN UP ALL OF THE SOUTHWEST WHERE IT CAN BE DEVELOPED, WHERE IT'LL HAVE WATER AND SEWER AND THEN BRING IT OVER TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.

WE AGREED TO PAY THE MILLION SEVEN.

THEN THERE'S APPROXIMATELY A MILLION THREE IN IMPACT FEES.

WE AGREED TO PAY THOSE IMPACT FEES.

WE DIDN'T WANT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT NECESSARY IN THE ETJ COUNCIL ASKED FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT GOT DONE IN HERE.

THOSE THINGS ARE STILL IN HERE.

THERE IS TWO PAST EMPLOYEES HERE WHO WROTE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LAST JUNE THAT DID NOT REFLECT WHAT COUNCIL HAD INSTRUCTED.

I LOST MY MIND.

I CALLED BAKER AND LAWSON AND SAID, GET ME A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

I'M COMING TOMORROW.

THEY WENT AND MET WITH CITY MANAGER.

HE SAID, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS DEMONSTRATION PROTEST THING GOING ON.

I'VE GOT TO GO.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS GOT THAT.

STAFF HASN'T EVEN REVIEWED IT YET.

SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO GET ANYTHING DONE.

FORTUNATELY, YOU ALL HAD THE MEETING LAST MARCH 30TH.

AGAIN, WE SAID WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN HERE.

WE'LL PAY YOU THE THREE MILLION DOLLARS.

MOTTOLA IS GOING TO HAVE IRON OUT THERE NEXT MONTH TO START BUILDING THAT THING.

WE'VE GOT APPROVALS.

WE'VE GOT PLANS APPROVED.

WE'RE READY TO GO.

WE GOT LINDSAY TO GO.

LINDSAY WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING, WROTE DOWN EVERYTHING FROM THREE DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE PROMISED AND PUT IT IN HERE.

GREAT.

BUT THEN ALL THAT STUFF FROM LAST SUMMER ABOUT POSSIBLE ANNEXATION OR DOING AN SUP IN THE ETJ.

THINGS I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IN FORTY YEARS CAME INTO THIS AGREEMENT.

WE'VE TAKEN THAT STUFF OUT.

LAST WEEK WE CAME DOWN AND WE MET WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER AND WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE AGREEMENT AND SAID, OK, WHAT DO WE DO ON EVERY ONE OF THESE POINTS? SO WE STILL GOT AN AGREEMENT AND WE STILL GOT SEVERAL PAGES FOR ME TO GIVE YOU THREE MILLION DOLLARS.

WE WANT UTILITIES.

WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE PROMISED HERE.

WE DON'T WANT TO ANNEX IN.

AND IF SOMEONE HAD SAID A YEAR AGO, WE WANT YOU TO ANNEX IN GREAT, WE WOULD ANNEXED IN AND GONE BY ALL THESE DIFFERENT RULES.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO AN SUP IN AN ETJ BECAUSE I'M NOT EVEN SURE THERE IS SUCH A

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THING.

WE WANT TO BUILD A GREAT PROJECT.

WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THREE MILLION DOLLARS, BUT IT'S TIME TO WORK IT OUT.

WE TRIED TO WORK IT OUT LAST WEEK.

WE HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLAR LOAN CLOSING ON THURSDAY.

THIS IS ONE OF THE SIX PROJECTS THAT'S IN THERE.

WE NEED TO TELL OUR LENDER WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IT'S SIGNED AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THREE MILLION DOLLARS AND BUY UTILITIES OR WE NEED TO TELL THEM WE'RE NOT.

AND THAT'S FINE, TOO.

IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, NO HARD FEELINGS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASONING, BUT NO HARD FEELINGS.

WE'LL GO DO OUR OWN THING.

WE'LL TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN UTILITIES.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT, WE'D LOVE TO DO IT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO DO IT NOW.

WE SPENT OVER A YEAR ON IT.

WE'VE MET PERSONALLY TWICE, SAT DOWN AND WENT THROUGH THIS.

I THINK IT'S WHAT WE ORIGINALLY AGREED UPON.

AND THAT'S WE'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE SAID IN THOSE THREE MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN DOWN.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANNEXATION.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN SUP.

WE'RE ASKING TO BUILD OUR COMMUNITY AND GIVE YOU GUYS THREE MILLION DOLLARS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER.

I'M KIND OF AT A DISADVANTAGE HERE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE AGREEMENT YOU ALL WORKED OUT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN HERE.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO.

THAT'S GREAT, TRUST BUT VERIFY.

RIGHT, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THE INSPECTIONS THAT WALTERS LINED OUT? YES, YEAH.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN FOR A ZONING CASE WHEN WE'RE ALREADY APPROVED TO BUILD A PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS ASKING TO COME IN AND REZONE A.

MY FATHER IS 80 YEARS OLD, AND HE'D STILL KICK MY BUTT IF I HAD AN APPROVED SET OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

AND I SAID, WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

I'M GOING TO GO IN AND START A ZONING CASE IN THE ETJ FOR A PROJECT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REVIEW OF YOUR PLAN.

WELL, OK, I GUESS THEN IT DEPENDS ON WHO REVIEWS IT.

HDR HAS REVIEWED OUR PLANS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FINAL.

SO WE WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

BAKER AND LAWSON SUBMITTED THOSE TO THE COUNTY.

THEY APPROVED THEM, THEN THEY SUBMITTED THEM TO HDR.

HDR MADE COMMENTS ON THEM AND MADE SOME CHANGES.

BAKER AND LAWSON MADE THOSE CHANGES AND RESUBMITTED THEM TO THE COUNTY AND GOT THEM REAPPROVED.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S SOME VACUUM WHERE NO ONE FROM THE CITY OR THE CITY ENGINEERS HAVE EVER SEEN THESE PLANS.

NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.

I'M JUST SAYING, AS WALTER HAS LAID OUT, THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT AND WE JUST SAY, OK, YOU GO, YOU GO AND BUILD EVERYTHING, BECAUSE FROM WHAT THE ATTORNEY FOR YOUR SIDE DID IS RED LINED A WHOLE LOT OF THE STUFF OUT THAT REALLY PROVIDES NO TEETH FOR US.

SO YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.

HOW DO WE HOLD YOU TO THAT STANDARD? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

WELL, YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND YOU.

AND IF I DON'T DO THE THINGS IN THE AGREEMENT, THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS YOU SUE ME.

BUT YOU TOOK THEM OUT OF THE AGREEMENT.

NO, I TOOK OUT OF THE AGREEMENT.

IT'S THINGS ABOUT ZONING AND ANNEXATION.

THE ONE I HAVE RIGHT HERE SAYS THE SITE PLAN PREPARED WILL BE PARKING'S RED LINED, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS RED LINED FENCING, ALL THAT'S RED LINED.

EVEN WHEN YOU CAME TO US AND YOU AND I SAT DOWN AND TALKED, YOU HAD THE MENTION OF THE YOU SHOWED US THE STONE FACADES AND EVERYTHING ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE MOBILE HOMES.

BUT THEN THERE'S RED LINES IN THERE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THAT.

AND JASON AND CECIL AND I COVERED THAT LAST WEEK DUE TO THE HUGE DEMAND.

IT'S HARD TO GET A BRICKLAYER OR MASON THEY SAID WE COULD DO, SIDING THAT MATCHED THE HOME.

I TOLD THEM IF COUNCIL WANTS THE BRICK AND STONE, I DID PROMISE THAT.

SO WE WILL DO IT.

SO IF THAT'S A REQUIREMENT, I SAID WE STRUCK IT IN THIS ONE IN THE SECOND ONE, WE PUT IT BACK AND WE SAID OR SIDING THAT MATCHES IT.

I SAID, WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO ON THAT WE WILL AGREE, BECAUSE I DID SAY WE WOULD DO THAT.

EVEN IF IT'S HARD TO GET LABOR NOW AND HARD TO GET MATERIALS, WE'LL STILL DO IT BECAUSE I PROMISED IT.

MY PROBLEM IS I DON'T HAVE WHATEVER WAS AGREED TO.

FRIDAY, OUR ATTORNEY SENT IT TO YOUR COUNCIL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED AT MY EMAIL, I DO HAVE IT.

IT WAS SENT LAST WEEK AROUND THAT WAS TO ME, IT WAS SENT AFTER THE PACK, IT WAS ALREADY.

YEAH AND IT WAS GOING TO BE AFTER THE PACKET BECAUSE I KNOW THE PACKET GOES OUT TUESDAY, SO I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE PUT IT INTO THE AS AMENDED INTO THE PACKET OR JUST PROVIDED A HARD COPY FOR US.

MY FAULT.

I DIDN'T FOLLOW UP.

I SHOULD HAVE.

LET ME FORWARD IT TO YOU.

THERE'S A WHOLE LOT CLEANER COPY.

NOW, I KNOW COUNCIL, OUR COUNCIL IS NOT MADE OUT OF [INAUDIBLE].

WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU JOHN SO WE STAY COMPLIANT WITH RULES.

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SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE AGREE TO BUILD THE WATER AND SEWER AND PROVIDE IT TO THEM AND WE DON'T DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M AFTER.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M TAKING HIM AT HIS WORD OF WHAT HE'S SAYING HE'S GOING TO DO.

WE PUT IT ON PAPER AND WE AGREE TO IT.

AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

WE SPENT SOME QUALITY TIME TOGETHER AND I BELIEVE WE GOT IT TO THAT POINT, AT LEAST IN TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE MAYOR, AND THE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER BELIEVED THAT TO BE THE POINT.

IF SO, WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO PULL THAT UP, LOOK AT IT.

AND WE GET THAT SATISFIED TONIGHT, BECAUSE I NEED TO MAKE A DECISION WITH OR WITHOUT.

LET ME ASK THIS.

CAN WE APPROVE JUDITH'S ACTION TO BE TAKEN TONIGHT, APPROVING THEIR LET ME READ THE AGENDA ITEM AGAIN DEVELOP? CAN WE TAKE ACTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SUBJECT TO THE TERMS LAID OUT BY THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCILMAN BOOTH THAT THEY AGREED TO? I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO AS WALTER HAS POINTED OUT, THE ENFORCEABILITY PROVISIONS ARE GONE.

THERE ARE OTHER PROVISIONS THAT WERE SAFETY PROVISIONS FOR THE CITY IN THE EVENT THAT THE DEVELOPERS/ BUILDER, DID NOT FULFILL HIS OBLIGATIONS, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A CLAUSE THAT SHOULD THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE AGREEING TO NOT TAKE PLACE AND THE OBLIGATION FOR UPKEEP OR MAINTENANCE OR MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTING MANUFACTURED HOMES THERE ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND MAKE SURE THAT'S DONE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU RUN THE RISK OF A MANUFACTURED HOME PLACE BEING RUN DOWN WITH NO ONE WATCHING OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S UP TO PAR IN TERMS OF THE TREES AND THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK.

SO THAT WAS TAKEN OUT.

I DID COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR ATTORNEY THAT THE UTILITY AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAD ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND THAT ANY UTILITY AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE CITY ENGINEER WOULD HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, I DID NOT GET ANY RESPONSE ON THAT IN THAT REGARD FROM THEIR ATTORNEY.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS IN HERE.

I THINK THAT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME IMPEDIMENT TO A REAL MEETING OF THE MINDS.

SO I HEAR WHAT MR. HOLIGAN IS SAYING, THAT, WELL, WE HAD A MEETING AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE SKIRTING AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

BUT MR. HOLIGAN IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE LEGAL TEETH OR THE ENFORCEABILITY OF THE AGREEMENT, SO.

YES, HIS ATTORNEY SENT SOMETHING ON FRIDAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WHAT WAS SAID TO ME ON FRIDAY COMPORTS WITH YOUR DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WERE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE MAYOR AND THE DEVELOPER.

SO ON A LEGAL STANDPOINT, NO, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT YOU CAN APPROVE THIS WITH THAT.

I MEAN, SUBJECT TO LEGAL APPROVAL.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'LL SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ON THE PACKET HERE.

BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT I SAW IN OUR MEETING.

I DON'T.

WELL, THE ONE I JUST PULLED UP FROM, JASON, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GONE AND SO MR. HOLIGAN, THAT'S MY ISSUE IS STUFF THAT WAS RED LINED IN THE OTHER ONE I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE THAT MAYOR JUST SENT TO ME AND IT'S NOT THERE.

SO THIS IS JUST A UTILITY AGREEMENT.

I DON'T I'M LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

ON OUR PACKET EXHIBIT C IS A UTILITY AGREEMENT WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BECAUSE I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO, AND BARRING THAT, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.

THAT SAID, I HAVE TO SEE THAT ON PAPER AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT.

SO, I MEAN PROTECTING THE CITY FROM THAT.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT THEN I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THIS PACKET WITH YOU AND MAKE ANY CHANGES SO YOU GUYS CAN VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT.

IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE A LEGAL REVIEW AND IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THIS ATTORNEY

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TO TALK TO THAT ATTORNEY SO.

WELL, I HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE WITH ME SO.

SO MR. HOLIGAN DID YOU SEND ME THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT? I'M JUST LOOKING I JUST SEE THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

I THINK WE'VE FORWARDED THAT DIDN'T WE.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

HI, DAVID [INAUDIBLE] WINSTEAD PC REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER ON THIS, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THE TERMS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, EVEN WITH THE EDITS, WITH RESPECT TO POTENTIAL ENFORCEABILITY OF IT.

SO IN SECTION 2.02, THERE IS A RECITATION OF THE DEVELOPER AGREEING TO DESIGN THE COMMUNITY AS A HIGHER QUALITY COMMUNITY WITH ALL THE AMENITIES DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY AND LISTED SPECIFICALLY ON EXHIBIT A1, SETTING FORTH THE DETAILS REGARDING THE SITE PLAN AND GENERAL COMMUNITY DESIGN.

SO IN SECTION 2.02, IT SETS FORTH AND SPECIFICALLY THEN ON THE EXHIBIT A 1 SHOWING THE STANDARDS TO WHICH THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE BUILT.

SO THERE IS AN OBLIGATION ON PAPER AS TO THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED.

IN SECTION 2.03 IS THE CITY'S CONSTRUCTION OF THE OFF SITE UTILITY WORK.

SO THE OFFSITE UTILITIES ARE IN SECTION 2.03, AS DESCRIBED IN THE UTILITY AGREEMENT THAT'S ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT C..

THE ESSENCE OF THIS AGREEMENT IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE UTILITIES AND THE FUNDING OF THE IMPACT FEES.

THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE UTILITY AGREEMENT THAT IS ATTACHED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD POINT OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES PROVISION THAT PARDON ME JUST A MINUTE AS I FLIP THROUGH, IS CONTAINED IN SECTION 5.03 UNDER THE MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS THAT ALL WARRANTEES, REPRESENTATIONS AND COVENANTS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER IN THIS AGREEMENT OR IN ANY CERTIFICATE OR OTHER INSTRUMENT DELIVERED BY THE DEVELOPER TO THE CITY UNDER THIS AGREEMENT SHALL BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE BEEN RELIED UPON BY THE CITY AND WILL SURVIVE THE SATISFACTION OF ANY FEES UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, REGARDLESS OF ANY INVESTIGATION MADE BY THE CITY OR ON THE CITY'S BEHALF.

SO WITH RESPECT TO ENFORCEMENT OF THIS AGREEMENT, THERE ARE CONTRACTUAL PROVISIONS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THIS AGREEMENT WHERE THE DEVELOPER MAKES REPRESENTATIONS AS TO WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS WILL BE, WHAT THEY WILL BUILD THAT ARE CONTRACTUALLY ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY.

THE CITY DOES NOT NEED PERMIT AUTHORITY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THROUGH A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATORY PROCESS TO ENFORCE THE CONTRACTUAL PROVISIONS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THIS AGREEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPERS REPRESENTATIONS TO ALL OF THE STANDARDS THAT WERE DISCUSSED.

I HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO DEVELOPER DESIRES, KEYWORD DESIRES IN YOUR TERM.

WHAT WOULD THAT CONSTITUTE? DEVELOPER DESIRES TO CONSTRUCT THE IMPROVEMENTS MORE PARTICULARLY DEFINED, DESCRIBED AND DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT B.

DESIRES OR CAN CHANGE THAT.

I MEAN, TO ME, DESIRES IS NOT AS CONCRETE AS WILL.

THE NEXT SENTENCE, I THINK, IS THE MEAT OF THAT, WHICH IS THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO DESIGN THE COMMUNITY AS A HIGH.

THIS IS THE AGREEMENT PART, NOT THE RIGHT.

SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD AGREE TO DESIGN THE COMMUNITY AS A HIGH QUALITY COMMUNITY WITH ALL OF THE AMENITIES DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY AND LISTED ON EXHIBIT A 1.

SO IF IT'S ON EXHIBIT A ONE, THAT'S THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION.

THAT'S I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, EXCEPT THAT'S JUST DESIGN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN BUILD.

SO HERE'S MY QUESTION TO GET DOWN TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT.

SO IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOUR DEVELOPER HAS FINISHED HIS PROJECT AND HAS PUT IT IN AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, WALTER CAN DRIVE OUT THERE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND GO, HEY, WHERE'S THE AMENITY? WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.

WE'LL GET TO IT.

WELL, OK.

I SAID I WAS GOING TO DO IT, BUT I MIGHT DO THAT THREE YEARS FROM NOW, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO DO IT.

HOW DO WE CONTRACT? HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? WHEN THE PROJECT IS DEVELOPED, THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONFIRM THAT WHAT WAS IN FACT BUILT, AS HAS BEEN PERMITTED BY THE COUNTY AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY, WHAT ACTUALLY GETS BUILT ON THE GROUND COMPORTS WITH WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE EXHIBIT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION BY THE DEVELOPER TO DO THAT.

SO YOU CAN GO OUT AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S BEEN PUT ON THE GROUND.

DOES IT MATCH WITH WHAT'S ON THE EXHIBIT? SO AS OPPOSED TO A PLAN REVIEW PROCESS THAT'S TO COMPORT WITH CITY REGULATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, IT'S A CONTRACTUAL AUDIT, A CONTRACTUAL REVIEW TO CONFIRM, OK, DID THE DEVELOPER DO WHAT THE DEVELOPER SAID THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO?

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SO WE'RE IN THE CONTRACT.

DOES IT SAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT, THAT WE CAN GO OFF AND REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.

I CAN CONFER WITH MY CLIENT? BUT I ASSUME THEY WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO A PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE CITY INSPECTION RIGHTS TO CONFIRM THAT THE ITEMS ON EXHIBIT A1 WERE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT WHEN COMPLETED.

THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING.

THAT'S NOT IN THE AGREEMENT NOW.

BUT WE DON'T INSPECT THE COUNTY I MEAN, IT'S THE COUNTY'S PERMIT.

SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS THAT IT WAS A CONTRACTUAL INSPECTION, NOT FOR CITY CODE PURPOSES, BUT SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONFIRMING THAT THE ITEMS THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO IN EXHIBIT A 1 WERE COMPLETED AS OPPOSED TO A BROADER BUILDING PERMIT INSPECTION.

JOHN, I FOUND IT I JUST FORWARDED IT TO YOU.

OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WILL THE ENGINEER OF RECORD BE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO WATCH OVER THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT, THEY WILL SIGN OFF THAT IT WAS DONE ACCORDING TO ITS PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND WILL VERIFY THE QUANTITIES THAT WERE PUT IN THE GROUND ARE DONE SO.

AND CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE ONE STANDARD, TOO, IF THE CITY WISHED, I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT ON A BRAINSTORMING BASIS AND MY CLIENT CAN KICK ME.

BUT CERTAINLY, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT COUNCIL MEMBER ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO FOR AN INSPECTION PROVISION WOULD BE TO HAVE A CERTIFICATION BY, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS ENGINEER TO CONFIRM THAT THESE ITEMS WERE, YOU KNOW, COMPLETED, IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT.

AND THEN THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IN THE WAY OF INSPECTION.

IT CAN JUST RELY ON THE ENGINEERS CERTIFICATION.

TYPICALLY, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD HIS INSPECTOR IS GOING TO VERIFY THAT THE CONTRACTOR DID WHAT YOU'VE CONTRACTED WITH.

HE'S YOUR EYES ON THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE IN THE QUANTITIES THAT WERE PUT IN THE GROUND ARE DONE RIGHT.

AND LET ME JUST POINT OUT NONE OF THAT IS IN THE AGREEMENT, SO WE'RE NOW LISTENING TO VERBAL REPRESENTATIONS.

I MEAN, I'M NOT.

I WANT YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO COME THROUGH ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE TONIGHT MAKE A VOTE EITHER WAY WITHOUT SEEING EVERYBODY HAS APPROVED AND REVIEWED IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.

CHRIS, I SENT IT TO YOU AS WELL.

BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU'RE TELLING ME THINGS AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND I AGREE WITH MR. HOLIGAN ON WHAT HE'S SAYING HE'S GOING TO DO.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THEM.

AND WE AS A COUNCIL UNDERSTAND WHAT'S EXPECTED OF US.

AND WE'RE REPRESENTING THE CITY IN FAIRNESS THAT WE'RE HOLDING YOU TO THESE STANDARDS.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK I CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY QUESTIONS STILL MOVING AROUND.

WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST BAD PRACTICE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY APPARENTLY HAS REALLY CONCERNS WITH.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ABOUT THE END GOAL, BUT IT'S ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF WHAT'S REALLY IN THE CONTRACT AND IF IT'S NOT LAID OUT IN THE CONTRACT.

AND I KNOW ATTORNEYS LAID OUT SOME MAYBE SOME NEGOTIATIONS AND PROPOSALS, BUT IT'S NOT IN THERE AND UNTIL IT'S IN THERE.

AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS LOOKED IT OVER AND THEY'RE CONFIDENT IN THIS AGREEMENT.

AND I THINK IT'S UNWISE OF US FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

AND I KNOW THAT UPSETS MR. HOLIGAN.

THAT'S HE CAN BE UPSET ALL HE WANTS.

BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN.

AND THIS ISN'T AND I KNOW HE PROBABLY THINKS WE'RE JUST DRAGGING OUR FEET AND TRYING TO PLAY GAMES HERE.

THAT'S CERTAINLY THE ATTITUDE HE HAS PRESENTED, BUT IT'S NOT IT.

AND MAYBE WE HAVEN'T BEEN AS PROFESSIONAL.

HE'S BEEN WITH OTHER CITIES AND MAYBE THAT'S TRUE.

BUT IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF WANT TO.

IT'S NOT FOR PLAYING IN BAD FAITH, IT'S TRULY MAKING THE DECISION THAT WE BELIEVE IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE IT ALL LAID OUT TO WHERE OUR OWN CITY ATTORNEY IS COMFORTABLE AND OUR CITY MANAGER, FOR THAT MATTER, THEN WHY ARE WE MOVING FORWARD? IT'S REALLY CONCERNING.

AND THAT'S ALL OF WHERE I AM.

I'M NOT SAYING NO.

I'M SAYING LET'S GET IT RIGHT.

I AGREE.

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AND THAT'S FINE, I MEAN, YOU CAN THINK WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THINK, IF WE THINK WE'RE ACTING IN BAD FAITH, THAT'S IT.

I CAN'T STOP YOU FROM DOING THAT, BUT.

I MEAN, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS FROM OTHER ISSUES, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND WE'RE IN ON IT TOGETHER AND WE'RE MAKING AN EDUCATED, INFORMED DECISION.

SO I KNOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FAST AND I KNOW YOU'RE CLOSING ON SOME MONEY AND I'M NOT A BUSINESSMAN, SO I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO LEVEL HIGH LEVEL TACTICS PRESSURE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT I THINK FROM WHERE I SIT, I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AS I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN BOOTH AND MR. MAYOR, FOR JOINING IN THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TRYING TO IRON THESE THINGS OUT TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT UNTIL IT'S IN THE CONTRACT AND OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY ARE COMFORTABLE, I REALLY I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY FOR TONIGHT.

AGAIN I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IF HE REALLY FEELS HE NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD AND YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO DEVELOP TO THE STANDARDS THAT HE'S ARTICULATED, THEN WE CAN JUST DO THE DEAL WITH THE WATER AND SEWER AND THE REST IS UP TO THE COUNTY.

SO HE GIVES GIVES US THE FEES UNDER OUR AGREEMENT AND WE DEVELOP THE WATER AND SEWER THAT HE'S ABLE TO DO HIS DEVELOPMENT OR HIS CONNECTION.

OKAY.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT OR NOT.

YOU'RE STILL BUILDING IT OUT THERE.

YOU'RE BUILDING IT IN THE COUNTY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE APPROVE THIS OR NOT.

THE ONLY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GOING TO SIGN UP WITH THE CITY ON THE UTILITIES? THAT'S WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO, CORRECT? YEAH.

YOU'VE GOT TO THE MEAT OF IT.

WE EITHER SPEND THREE MILLION HERE BUYING WATER AND SEWER.

AND THEN YOU GUYS FEE EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN HOMES WITH ONE BILL TO US EACH MONTH.

AND I UNDERSTAND AT A HIGHER RATE BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE COUNTY THAN IF WE WERE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY.

THE OTHER CHOICE IS YOU DON'T SELL US UTILITIES.

WE PUT IN OUR OWN PLANT, WE PUT IN OUR OWN WELLS.

AND IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU GO, AGAIN, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.

NO HARD FEELINGS WE WILL GO THAT WAY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LUXURY ANYMORE.

WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, OVER A YEAR AGO, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHEN IT COMES BACK, IT'S NOT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN HERE, SO.

WE'RE FINE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SELL US WATER AND UTILITIES, WE'D LOVE TO BUY THEM FROM YOU IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT TONIGHT, WE UNDERSTAND WELL WE DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO OUR OWN WAY.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME ANYMORE.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHAT DOES IT HURT YOU'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH YOUR PROJECT, CORRECT? I MEAN, YOU SAY YOU'RE CLOSING ON THE.

WE ARE CLOSING ON THE LOAN ON THURSDAY, RIGHT? WELL, WHAT DOES IT HURT TO WAIT ONE MORE COUNCIL MEETING SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN REVIEW THIS AND FINALIZE IT? BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

I'VE HAD TOO MUCH EXPERIENCE HERE TO THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AT ALL.

AND THEN.

MAYOR.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE.

WE'VE TOLD THIS GENTLEMAN SEVERAL TIMES WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE, BUT I KNOW, BUT AND I SEE WHERE HE'S COMING FROM, YOU KNOW.

BUT IF EVERYTHING'S BEEN LAID OUT, LIKE WE ALL SAY IT HAS, I MEAN, CAN WE HAVE THIS REVIEWED WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

I DON'T REALLY COMMENT ON THIS KIND OF THING, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO IN THIS SITUATION.

LAST YEAR WHEN HOLIGAN COMMUNITY RECEIVED SOMETHING FROM THE CITY.

AT NO TIME DID HOLIGAN COMMUNITIES EVER SPEND THE MONEY TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND SEND IT BACK TO THE CITY AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

INSTEAD, WE'VE JUST HEARD THAT THE CITY DIDN'T DO IT, THE CITY DIDN'T DO IT.

SO I AFTER CITY COUNCIL TOLD STAFF WHAT TO DO, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS CREATED AND IT WAS SENT IT WAS GUTTED.

SO IF THERE'S SOME ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING, THAT'S DISINGENUOUS.

THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING PRETTY SOLIDLY, BUT EVERY TIME SOMETHING IS SENT TO THE DEVELOPER, IT'S RED LINED.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FROM THE HOLIGAN COMMUNITY'S ATTORNEY THAT I'VE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT SOME ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE TO BE PLACED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO REPLACE THE GUTTED LANGUAGE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT MR. HOLIGAN IS SAYING.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE DONE, BUT THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE CITY SENDS SOMETHING.

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THERE'S NO ACTION ON THAT SIDE.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST ALL OH THE CITY DIDN'T DO THIS THE CITY DIDN'T DO THAT, YOU KNOW? SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT SEEMS REALISTIC THAT THE AGREEMENT CAN BE FINALIZED.

BUT WHAT IF WE CONTINUE ON THE SAME ROAD? SO WHAT IF WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND WE SEND IT BACK OVER AND THEY SAY, NO.

IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, HE'S MOVING FORWARD.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND HE'S GOING TO PUT IN HIS WATER WELL IN.

I JUST THINK WE'RE THIS CLOSE AND IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO PART WAYS AT THIS POINT.

THAT'S BUT I I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYTHING WRITTEN DOWN IN CONTRACT, NO RED LINES, THE FINAL VERSION.

AND WE AS A COUNCIL CAN REVIEW THAT AND APPROVE IT.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE A VOTE AND EITHER APPROVE IT OR TURN IT DOWN TONIGHT.

WELL.

BUT BEFORE WE MOVE THAT DIRECTION.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN VOTE ON THIS CONTRACT, THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT AND THE ONE.

THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING Y'ALL, THERE IS SOME PROVISIONAL LANGUAGE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD VOTE ON SOMETHING UNLESS YOU'RE PREPARED TO LOOK AT JUST THIS CONTRACT, BECAUSE WHATEVER WAS SPOKEN HERE MEANS NOTHING, RIGHT DON'T PLAN ON GOING TO COURT WITH SOMEBODY BEING CALLED LINDSAY.

YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION? YEAH, VAGUELY.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE AND GET YOUR BUTT HANDED TO YOU BY A JUDGE AND JURY.

SO THEN THE REAL QUESTION COMES BACK TO IN MY MIND, DO YOU FOLLOW THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION AND VOTE ON JUST THE SERVICES? RIGHT, THEY WE ARE AGREEING TO THESE SERVICES AN THIS WHATEVER AGREEMENT IS JUST NULL AND VOID, JUST WHATEVER POOH-POOH IT, OR DO WE JUST DISAGREE WITH THAT AND LET THEM GO DIG THEIR OWN WELL, AND SO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU COULD RELY ON THIS CONTRACT.

THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS WE HAVEN'T ALL SEEN IT OUR CITY.

AGAIN, I'M REPEATING MYSELF, OUR CITY ATTORNEY OUR CITY MANAGER AREN'T COMFORTABLE.

I DON'T THINK YOU GO IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHY I THINK CHRIS IS THROWING OUT THIS OTHER IDEA.

SO THAT'S FINE.

I DON'T MIND IF THEY'RE GOING TO FORCE YOUR HAND.

IF THEY WANT TO FORCE OUR HAND AND VOTE ON IT TONIGHT, THEN I THINK WE FIRST HAVE TO AGREE ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP OF ACTUALLY VOTING.

OKAY CAN WE ADD ONE MORE PIECE ON IT.

I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT DO, ASSUMING COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT, WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT, AS HAD BEEN PROPOSED FOR THE BASE OF THE RED LINE WITH THE PROVISO THAT THERE BE AN ENGINEER CERTIFICATION WITH RESPECT TO THE ITEMS IN EXHIBIT A1.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE COUNCIL COULD VOTE TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE PROVISO THAT LEGAL COUNSEL BE DIRECTED TO PUT IT IN THE PROVISO THAT REQUIRED THE ENGINEER CERTIFICATION.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ASSURANCE AND YOU COULD DO THAT BY MOTION TONIGHT.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS AGREE TO THE RED LINES WHERE THE CITY HAS TAKEN ALL OF THE ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING AND AGREE TO THIS ONE THING.

SO I DON'T YEAH WHICH RED LINE ON THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET OR THE ONES THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN.

I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S A MEETING OF THE MINDS ON THIS AGREEMENT THERE'S TOO MANY AGREEMENTS OR THERE WAS A MEETING THAT I WAS UNAWARE OF.

I FULLY RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT THAT IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE AGREEMENT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUR RED LINES.

WE'VE GOT [INAUDIBLE] IT.

BUT WE'LL LET THE ENGINEER APPROVE.

IF I MAY.

I THINK THE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE ESSENCE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS PERMIT AS IN REGULATORY PERMIT APPROVAL OVER THE PROJECT.

IF THE POSITION OF THE CITY IS THAT, NO, THE CITY DOES NOT WANT PERMIT REGULATORY PERMIT APPROVAL OVER THE PROJECT, THE CITY IS ONLY ASKING FOR A CERTIFICATION FROM AN ENGINEER TO CONFIRM THAT THE THINGS THAT THE DEVELOPER SAID IT WAS GOING TO DO ARE DONE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED, THEN ALL OF THE PROVISIONS IN THE AGREEMENT RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS DON'T NEED TO BE IN THERE, WHICH IS THE HEART OF THE ISSUE.

SO I GUESS I'M JUST SUGGESTING IF THE REAL ISSUE THAT'S BEFORE COUNCIL IS DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS AND COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION THAT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRING REGULATORY DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS, BUT ONLY CERTIFICATION FROM AN

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ENGINEER, THAT THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ASSURED ARE IN FACT COMPLETED, THAT SHOULD BE SATISFACTORY IN A MOTION THAT COULD BE MADE TONIGHT.

SO MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS THERE'S A PARAGRAPH IN THERE, THE 4.10, WHICH IF THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING, THE CITY HAD A METHOD OF RECOURSE, WHICH IS NOW THEY RED LINED THAT AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN HERE TO PROTECT THE CITY THAT ARE EMBELLISHMENTS ON TOP OF PERMIT APPROVAL.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

I TOLD THEIR ATTORNEY STRAIGHT UP THAT THE UTILITY AGREEMENT WAS NOT SATISFACTORY, AND IT HAD TO GO THROUGH OUR CITY ENGINEER.

SO, AGAIN, I PROPOSE THAT IF THEY WANT CITY CONNECTIONS, THAT THEY AGREE TO GIVE US THE MONEY AND WE'LL PROVIDE THE CONNECTIONS FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING.

RIGHT? HONESTLY, THAT'S BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE A YEAR FROM NOW, Y'ALL COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, CHRIS, DID THIS GET DEVELOPED TO THE STANDARD THAT WE GOT PRESENTED? AND I'M GOING TO SAY NO.

BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO ENFORCE IT, LIKE JUDITH SAID, AND THERE AREN'T ANY PROVISIONS.

THESE ARE EIGHT HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN, 40 FOOT LOTS.

AND I HAVE TO ALSO ADD THAT THE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT, SO WHEN I SENT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH ONE NUMBER OF LOTS, IT CAME BACK WITH MORE LOTS 837.

I LOOKED AT THE APPROVALS FROM THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT ON THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT APPROVALS.

IT'S 812.

SO TO SOME DEGREE, THERE'S JUST GENERAL CONFUSION.

YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS? AND I PUT THAT IN AN EMAIL TO THEIR ATTORNEY.

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EIGHT HUNDRED TWELVE EIGHT HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN MOBILE HOMES IS THE NUMBER OF MOBILE HOMES OUT THERE IS GOING TO FLUCTUATE DEPENDING ON JUST LIKE ANY OTHER NUMBER BY THE WAY, CHRIS IF ANYTHING DOES COME BACK.

IT'S YOUR FAULT.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL MAY I.

MY NAME IS AARON KETCHAND, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR HOLIGAN COMMUNITIES.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME COLOR TO THE DISCUSSION.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR.

I DO FEEL THE CONFUSION IS ONE SIDED.

I PRESENTED ON MARCH 30TH A TIMELINE OF EVENTS AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO I FEEL IT'S INACCURATE THAT NO VERSIONS OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAD BEEN SENT BY US TO THE CITY OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR.

I HAVE WITH ME ANOTHER PRESENTATION OF A COMMUNICATION ATTEMPTS SINCE THE MARCH 30TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THE AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU IS OUR OBLIGATIONS AS HOLIGAN COMMUNITIES TO THE CITY.

THE UTILITY AGREEMENT IS THE CITY'S OBLIGATIONS TO DELIVER WHAT UTILITIES TO US.

WE WOULD BE HAPPY WITH A UTILITY AGREEMENT APPROVAL TONIGHT OR DIRECTION TO APPROVE IT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE UNWISE TO NOT CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S OUR OBLIGATIONS TO YOU.

THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CALLED OUT IN A1 HAVE NOT CHANGED.

THE RED LINES THAT WERE SENT OVER THE PAST YEAR.

I KNOW I'VE SENT THEM PERSONALLY LIKE THREE SEPARATE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF SIX MONTHS WITH ZERO RESPONSES FROM CITY STAFF.

HAD THE SAME ELEMENTS NOTED IN A1, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT.

I DON'T.

THE STAFF CLEARLY WISHES THAT THIS WAS EITHER BEING ANNEXED OR WAS ALREADY IN THE CITY LIMITS, THAT'S CLEAR.

BUT THERE IS LIKE OUR ATTORNEY WAS POINTING TO CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT THIS AGREEMENT BINDS US TO, YES, WE ARE IN THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY WILL BE PERMITTING AND THEY WILL BE INSPECTING.

BUT WE ARE OBLIGATING OURSELVES AS THE DEVELOPER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS AGREEMENT.

OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS FOR ACTION, BECAUSE WE DO NOT, BASED ON EXPERIENCE, FEEL LIKE CONTINUING, THE NEGOTIATION IS GOING TO BE FRUITFUL.

WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

WE HAVE BEEN NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED FOR US.

WE WILL AND HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO STAND BY WHAT WE ARE OFFERING IS OUR

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DEVELOPMENT OBLIGATIONS.

AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A VOTE UP OR DOWN TONIGHT.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

SO I THINK WE'RE TO A POINT WHERE WE JUST THE BALL HAS BEEN FUMBLED ALONG THE WAY, MANY WAYS TO [INAUDIBLE] WE CAN POINT FINGERS ALL DAY LONG.

BUT LIKE JOHN SAID, WE'RE CLOSE.

WE WERE SITTING RIGHT THERE.

CECIL, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING SOMETHING TO TRY TO HELP US GET THIS DONE AND MOVED ALONG AND MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT FOLLOWING UP, SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED UP ON MAKE SURE STAFF GOT THE REVISED DOCUMENT THAT WAS CREATED AFTER OUR DISCUSSIONS THE OTHER DAY.

JUST TRY TO MAKE IT AN EASIER PROCESS IN ORDER TO MAKE THE FLOW.

NOT THAT I WAS WE WERE TRYING TO DO ANYTHING.

I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE PROCESS A WHOLE LOT EASIER BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR OVER A YEAR.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SMOOTH THE PROCESS OUT, TRY TO MAKE IT WORK.

YOU KNOW, I SEE EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS, BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE.

I WANT TO LIKE EVERYBODY, LIKE JOHN SAID, WE WANT TO SEE IT DEVELOP.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A DEBT TAKEN, CLEARED UP OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT USING RIGHT NOW AND GET IT REIMBURSED FOR.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE GOAL IS TO REIMBURSE THAT SOUTH SIDE LIFT STATION OVER THERE AND ALL THAT OVER THERE.

SO I WILL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS COMING DOWN, JUST GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

I SHOULD HAVE DID MORE FOLLOW UP SHOULD HAVE STAYED ON TOP OF IT.

I APOLOGIZE, BUT WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE TONIGHT, WE JUST NEED TO TRY TO EITHER, LIKE THESE GENTLEMEN SAID, THEY'RE ON A TIMELINE AND WE'RE ON A TIMELINE BECAUSE OF JUST MULTIPLE THINGS HAPPENED, A LOT OF TRIPS AND FALLS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I WILL ALWAYS REFER, OF COURSE, BACK TO COUNCIL TO KEEP US OUT OF TROUBLE.

AND I GET IT.

YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

JUDITH I DON'T HAVE YOU IN MY EMAIL, BUT I GAVE IT TO OTHER STAFF SO THEY CAN LOOK AT IT.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING HERE.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT IS IN HERE THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN.

THEY MAY GO, OH YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

BUT SINCE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T COMMENT ON IT.

SO COUNCIL IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT, DO WE? YOU KNOW, DO WE MOVE JUST WITH UTILITIES, MOVE FORWARD, PUT IT BEHIND US OR MR. HOLIGAN'S READY, MADE A PRETTY FIRM NOTION THAT HE NEEDS SOMETHING BY TONIGHT.

AND SO WE HAVE TO WHETHER WE THINK IT'S A TACTIC OR NOT, I MEAN, I GET IT.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A YEAR.

I'M SURE HE'S A BUSINESSMAN AND HE KNOWS HE'S GOT TIME LINES, LIKE WE HAVE OUR TIMELINES.

SO IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS WHERE WHICH DIRECTION Y'ALL WANT TO MOVE IN.

BECAUSE I HAVE NO POWER, I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION.

ALL I CAN DO IS VOTE.

I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE TAKING ACTION ON THE DOCUMENT AS IT HASN'T BEEN FULLY VETTED .

IF I WAS TAKING ACTION, I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID ABOUT NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE AND JUST DO THE WATER AND SEWER.

UTILITY AGREEMENTS GOOD TO GO RED LINES.

THE UTILITY AGREEMENT THAT'S ATTACHED IS AN EXHIBIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I SPECIFICALLY EMAILED THEM AND TOLD THEM, NO, IT'S NOT APPROVED THAT OUR CITY ENGINEER HAS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

REALLY, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE UTILITY AGREEMENT, THAT UTILITY AGREEMENT IS THE SAME FORM AGREEMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ON IN APRIL OF 2020, THE ONLY UPDATE WAS TO CHANGE THE UNIT COUNT TO EIGHT HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN UNITS, WHICH MATCHES OUR CONCEPT PLAN THAT ACTUALLY INCREASES THE FEE TO THE CITY.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONFUSION THERE IS.

IT'S THE SAME FORM AGREEMENT THAT USES THE HDR CALCULATED IMPACT FEE PER UNIT AND ALL WE DID WAS CHANGE THE UNIT COUNT TO MATCH OUR CONCEPT PLAN.

I'M TRYING TO OPERATE OFF THE KISS PRINCIPLE HERE.

WE AGREED TO SELL THEM WATER AND TAKE THEIR SEWER TO THE FEE OF APPROXIMATELY THREE MILLION DOLLARS.

OUR LINE OF OBLIGATION ENDS AT THE METER.

I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE THE WATER AND SEWER IS ALL GOING TO BE BUILT ACCORDING TO TCEQ REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS

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HAVING A DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT ON EACH AND EVERY PROJECT IS BECOMING QUITE CUMBERSOME.

APPEARS TO ME THAT NOW WE DECIDED THE COUNCIL DECIDED WE NEEDED A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT TO ACCOMPANY THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S JUST NOT BEING SAID, BUT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, PROBABLY BEEN SAID IN EARLIER DISCUSSIONS, BUT I MEAN, LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS A MANUFACTURING HOME PARK, WE HAVE CONCERNS AS AN ADDRESS TO THE CITY, TO THE FUTURE RIGHT.

I MEAN, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FACT THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT BEING LEFT WITH SOME THING THAT BECOMES DILAPIDATED I THINK FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, WE WOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I MEAN, RIGHT, I MEAN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S JUST MY I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY WE'RE EVEN NEGOTIATING OVER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO CECIL'S KEEP IT KISS YOU KNOW, STANDARD.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND IF I'M JUST SPEAKING PLAINLY IS WE'RE TRYING TO COVER OURSELVES.

SO HAVING THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE'RE COVERING OURSELVES.

SO THIS DOESN'T TURN INTO SOME LIKE I SAID, IT MAY NOT BE A PART OF THE CITY, BUT IT'S SO CLOSE INTO THE CITY THAT IT COULD REALLY BECOME A SORE SPOT IF IT WASN'T MAINTAINED, DEVELOPED PROPERLY.

AND WE'VE ALL SEEN THESE PARKS.

I MEAN, JUST THEY'RE OUT THERE [INAUDIBLE] KNOWLEDGE.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN THEY'RE OUT THERE.

AND THAT I'VE ALSO SEEN THE OPPOSITE.

I'VE SEEN FACILITIES AND PARKS THAT ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINED, WELL MAINTAINED.

AND IN JUST THE OPPOSITE IS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR FAMILIES TO GROW AND DEVELOP AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT THAT'S THE COVER HERE.

SO NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO THE ISSUE OF WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGREEMENT.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, AGREEING WITH MR. BOOTH.

AND DO WE WANT TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS? I MEAN, IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO.

AND ARE WE WILLING TO DO IT WITH NOT HAVING ANY COVER? BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GOING IN WITHOUT THAT.

WHATEVER PROTECTION THAT WE THINK WE HAD BY THIS AGREEMENT, THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT, AND MAYBE I'M MISSING THE POINT, BUT.

NO THAN JUST I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST A LITTLE BIT OF POLITICAL [INAUDIBLE], YOU KNOW, HOT POTATO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY, IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE A DUD AND ONE OF US IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR OR WHATEVER OTHER POSITION, DID YOU VOTE FOR THIS? YES.

AND YOU DIDN'T GET ANY APPROVAL OR.

YEAH, WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

WE RELIED ON THEM TO HOLD THEM TO HOLD THEM TO THEIR WORD AND THEY FELL THROUGH ON IT.

SO AND IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

BUT IF THEY WANT US TO TAKE ACTION, THEN WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE KNOW.

WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND PRESENTED BY THE CITY, HEARD FROM WALTER HEARD FROM CHRIS, HEARD FROM JUDITH, HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPERS.

WE MAKE A VOTE AND WE'LL STAND BY OUR VOTE.

AND WHATEVER THE VOTE IS IS WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS, I DO AGREE WITH JOHN, AND I KNOW I'VE KIND OF LAID IT OUT AND WERE CIRCLING BACK, BUT AND I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THIS AGREEMENT.

IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TOO MANY.

THE MEETING OF THE MINDS CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LEGAL TERM.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT.

IF YOU'RE NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE, THEN YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT THERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S TOO MANY UNKNOWNS.

SO, TRUTHFULLY, I GOT THE PACKAGE ITEM WAS PRESENTED TO ME TONIGHT.

IT'S GOT RED LINES.

IT'S GOT BLUE LINES.

IT'S GOT THERE IS NO FINAL DOCUMENT SITTING HERE FOR ME TO APPROVE.

NO, THERE'S NOT.

YEAH THERE IS NO WAY I'M GOING TO VOTE ON THAT.

I CAN'T VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN RED LINED.

IT'S EVEN IF I TOTALLY AGREE WITH EVERY LAST EDIT IN HERE, IT'S NOT THE FINAL DOCUMENT.

I AGREE.

I WISH WE HAD THE FINAL DOCUMENT HERE IN FRONT OF US.

BUT IT'S NOT.

I DO WANT TO SELL.

I DO WANT TO GIVE THEM UTILITIES.

THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME ASKING FOR TO BEGIN WITH.

OH, YES.

I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP, I MEAN, YES, I WANT TO SELL THEM THE UTILITIES.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP.

SO CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

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THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DISAPPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BUT ENTER INTO A UTILITIES AGREEMENT FOR PROVIDING THE WATER AND SEWER BASED ON THE FEES AGREED UPON.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO BUT SO, AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S NOT AGREEING TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THEN WHAT'S THE PATH FORWARD TO.

THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A UTILITY AGREEMENT.

SO DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL IS ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT GETS US THERE, CHRIS.

I MEAN, HE'S PLAYING HARDBALL.

I MEAN, HE'S SAYING WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TONIGHT.

SO UNLESS WE MAKE A, I'M NOT.

I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT YOU'RE MAKING AN OFFER.

RIGHT HE MADE AN OFFER HE SAID TONIGHT OR NOT.

AND YOU COULD SAY, WELL, HERE'S ANOTHER OPTION AND SEE IF THEY AGREE.

ASSIST THEM IN MAKING THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH I'LL CALL IT WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO JUDITH IS WHAT NOT SAYING WE DO THIS, BUT WHAT WOULD THE VERBIAGE NEED TO BE TO ENTER AND AGREE WITH THEM TONIGHT, TO SELL THEM.

SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA.

THE COUNCIL AGENDA IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BUT YOU CAN ISSUE STAFF GUIDANCE AND SAY WE WANT YOU TO GO ENTER INTO A UTILITY AGREEMENT IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CHOOSE.

AND THEY CAN SUBMIT IT, WE'LL GET IT REVIEWED BY THE ENGINEERS BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND MOVE ON.

I DON'T KNOW, MAKE THE MOTION AND.

MOTION.

MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TAKE NO ACTION.

YEAH JOHN MADE A MOTION TO TAKE NO ACTION.

I DON'T REMEMBER MAKING A MOTION.

I DON'T THINK HE DID THAT.

HE DID.

CAN I REMOVE MY MOTION? THANK YOU.

WITHDREW THE MOTION.

I WITHDRAW IT.

THAT'S THE WAY I ADVISE YOU TO DO, IS LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE ASKED.

THEY'VE ASKED FOR AN ANSWER, SO LET'S GIVE THEM AN ANSWER.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER AN OPTION, THEN GIVE STAFF DIRECTION RIGHT TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT.

UTILITIES.

BUT I HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, I SEE IN OUR PACKET THAT WE GOT TONIGHT OR THAT WE HAVE THERE IS A UTILITY AGREEMENT THAT'S EXHIBIT C INSIDE THAT PARTICULAR AGREEMENT.

BUT IT'S PART OF.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT, JUDITH, YET? I MEAN, THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY IN OUR PACKET.

SO THAT UTILITY AGREEMENT WAS PREPARED BY THE DEVELOPER.

AND YOUR CITY ENGINEER HAS HAD NO INPUT ON THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

SORRY, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, BECAUSE THE UTILITY AGREEMENT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA ITEM, COULD THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE UTILITY AGREEMENT SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR HER.

ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS PRESENTED IN HERE SO.

WELL, WHAT IF THE ENGINEER SAYS NO.

WELL, IT'S SUBJECT TO CITY APPROVAL.

I'M JUST TRYING TO.

SO THAT'S ENGINEER AND LEGAL.

THE HDR MEMO IS ATTACHED TO IT.

SHOULD BE IN THE PACKET OR IT WAS IN THE 3-30 CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA PACKET.

JAVIER COME ON UP.

YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY QUIET OVER THERE JAVIER.

THE HDR GOT MENTIONED.

I WOULD MENTION THAT JUST ACCORDING TO JOHN EARLIER, HE DID MENTION THERE WAS A NO OBJECTION TO THE UTILITY AGREEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE.

YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE CONFUSION GOING ON WITH THE ONE IN THE PACKET OR ONE THAT WAS EMAILED.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE MAYBE A VERSION TO CONFIRM WHICH ONE THAT WAS.

WE CAN REVIEW THE ONE THAT'S IN THE PACKET.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE MOST CURRENT DOCUMENT WE HAVE AND THEN PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE HOLIGAN GROUP BASED ON THE ENGINEER AND LEGAL REVIEW.

SO MY QUESTION IS BACK TO THE HOLIGAN GROUP, THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR EXHIBIT C THAT WE RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING OF LAST WEEK, IS THAT UTILITY AGREEMENT SIMILAR TO THIS THING? WAS THERE ANY CHANGES TO THIS? NO.

LIKE I SAID, EVEN FROM APRIL OF 2020, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED ACTUALLY TWO THINGS.

I CHANGED THE UNIT COUNT TO ACTUALLY INCREASE THE IMPACT FEE PAYMENT, AND I FRONT LOADED THE 50 PERCENT PAYMENT OF THE FEE RATHER THAN PAYING IT FULLY AT

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CONNECTION SO THE CITY WOULD NOT BE OUT ANY CASH.

SO I STAND CORRECTED.

I CORRECT MYSELF.

IT WAS A 50 PERCENT PAYMENT UP FRONT WHEN WE SIGN IT, AND IT'S 50 PERCENT WHEN WE CONNECT.

THE PREVIOUS VERSION ON THE APRIL 2020 CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS 100 PERCENT AT CONNECTION.

SO AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS AGREEMENT, THE REFERENCE IS, JOHN PETERSON'S MEMO.

YEAH, THE HDR MEMO WAS ATTACHED.

INSIDE THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE RECEIVED IN OUR PACKET.

YEAH BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE WAS DATED JUNE 18, 2019.

WELL, AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PROVISION FOR AMENDMENT.

WHAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT AND WE NEED TO AMEND IT BASED ON ENGINEERING SPECS OR WHATEVER, AND IT'S NOT IN THERE.

WHAT A SOUR PICKLE THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

BUT ISN'T THE RECOMMENDATION, THOUGH, THAT THEY COULD APPROVE IT PENDING ENGINEERING AND LEGAL REVIEW.

I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.

SO COUNCIL THIS THING IN MY BRAIN SO I CAN MAKE A MOTION.

UTILITY LINE EXTENSION BETWEEN THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND HOLIGAN GROUP SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY OUR COUNSEL AND CITY ENGINEER.

I HAVE A MOTION.

DO I HEAR A SECOND AND STRIKE.

SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

RIGHT, SO THAT NEEDS TO BE THROWN IN YOUR MOTION.

SO CAN I SUGGEST THAT YOU.

DENY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR DISAPPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT APPROVE MOVING ON WITH THE UTILITIES AGREEMENT PENDING ENGINEERING, LEGAL AND COUNSEL REVIEW OR APPROVAL.

CAN YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION TO REFLECT CITY MANAGERS VERBIAGE.

ONE ASK ON THAT, IF YOU DO THAT, THEN ADD THAT NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL BE REQUIRED IF YOU'RE GOING TO DENY THAT ONE, THAT THERE'S NO FUTURE ONE.

ALL WE'RE ASKING IS TO APPROVE THE UTILITY AGREEMENT.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO NEED THE DEVELOP AGREEMENT.

BY THE WAY, WE DENIED THAT ONE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED ANOTHER ONE.

WELL THAT SCRIPTING CAME FROM OUR ATTORNEY.

WHAT SHE SAYS.

OK, WELL, I'M ASKING COUNCIL THAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OFF THE TABLE, THEN NO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT POPS UP ALL OF A SUDDEN OUT OF SOMEWHERE.

SO THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA.

THAT MUST BE TAKEN CARE OF.

APPROVAL OR DENIAL.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO DO IT'S UP TO YOU? SO MAYBE YOU SAY WITH THE APPROVAL OF A UTILITY AGREEMENT, PENDING ENGINEERING WHATEVER OR WHATEVER AND NO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRED.

BUT IT'S DENYING IT, IT'S ASKING FOR THE UTILITY AGREEMENT SPEAKERS].

I MEAN.

I MEAN, TECHNICALLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE UTILITY AGREEMENT IS SIGNED HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS, RIGHT? I GUESS SO, YEAH.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT CECIL.

OBLIGATED TO GO [INAUDIBLE].

SO IT SEEMS TO ME CAN I ASK MR. HOLIGAN A QUESTION? HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST YOU TO DEVELOP YOUR OWN SEPTIC? WE'D BE IN THE PLANT WOULD COST ABOUT TWO MILLION AND THE WELLS WOULD COST ABOUT HALF A MILLION.

OK, BUT THEN WE'D BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OPERATING IT.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

AND ALSO YOU I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK ON APRIL 20TH OF LAST YEAR, AARON HAS REMINDED ME YOU GUYS APPROVED THE UTILITY AGREEMENT AND INSTRUCTED THEM TO GO GET A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THAT WAS BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL.

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SO I GUESS WE'RE BACK TO THE POINT OF CHRIS'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BACK TO YOUR MOTION, IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT TO REFLECT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITY STAFF OR KEEP YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION.

WHICH WAS DISAPPROVE THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT GO WITH THE UTILITY AGREEMENT, AND THAT WAS IT.

SO THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE A UTILITY AGREEMENT FOR WATER AND SEWER EXTENSIONS.

IS THAT IT.

I DID NO COMMENT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN MY MOTION.

BUT I THINK WE NEED THAT FOR THAT'S THE AGENDA ITEM AND IT ALSO MEETS HIS POINT OF DENYING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO AND TO GET THIS ON THE TABLE [INAUDIBLE] TO AMEND IT TO SAY TO DENY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO I'M JUST TALKING AMONG CITY COUNCIL AND THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO HEAR I MEAN, WE'RE AGONIZING OVER THIS RIGHT WE WANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.

I SEE THIS ANYWAY.

WE'RE TALKING IT THROUGH, TRYING TO BE AS RESPECTFUL TO THIS AGREEMENT AND ALSO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT WE THINK IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY.

AND TO ME AND THIS MAY UPSET THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE BEING A VERY GOOD PARTNER RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, IF THEY CAN SEE THE LOOK ON OUR FACE, AN AGONIZING BODY LANGUAGE.

MR. HOLIGAN I'M GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU HERE IN A MINUTE.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE LITERALLY WILLING TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR A WHOLE LOT, I REALLY DON'T.

I UNDERSTAND HIM THINKING THAT WE'RE DRAGGING THIS OUT.

I REALLY GET THAT BECAUSE HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

I GET IT.

AND HE DOESN'T HAVE FAITH IN US.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT HE SAID THEY'RE ASKING TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT THIS AGREEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS.

ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR TWO WEEKS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE.

NOT FOR A THREE MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.

AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO TELL ME, WELL, THAT'S WE'VE BEEN WAITING TWO YEARS FOR THIS.

I'LL TELL YOU, THE COUNCIL IS GOOD TO WORK WITH AND STAFF IS GOOD TO WORK WITH.

BUT IN BETWEEN, THERE'S A BOTTLENECK.

ALL RIGHT, MR. HOLIGAN.

YES, CONSIDERING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH STAFF AND COUNSEL.

FRIDAY, YOU HAD A MEETING WITH MR. BOOK AND MR. PEREZ.

I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY.

LAST WEDNESDAY YES.

DID YOU FULLY EXPECT A FINISHED PRODUCT OF A CONTRACT TO BE DONE BY TODAY.

WELL WE HAD PUT.

AND TO BE PUT INTO THE PACKET.

WHAT WE EXPECTED TO GO INTO THE PACKET WAS SOMETHING PRETTY CLOSE THAT WITH SOME MINOR NEGOTIATIONS HERE AT COUNCIL COULD BE VOTED ON.

OK, SO VOTED ON A RED LINED AGREEMENT, BASICALLY.

NO, WE HAD A CLEAN COPY AS WELL AS A RED LINED COPY.

OK, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY, OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT.

WOULD YOU PERSONALLY GO INTO AN AGREEMENT WITHOUT HAVING YOUR ATTORNEY LOOK AT IT? NO, I WOULD HAVE MY ATTORNEY LOOK AT IT.

SO YOU FULLY EXPECTED US TO OR YOU EXPECTED TO COME IN HERE AND SAY, THIS IS IT, IT'S EITHER THIS OR NOTHING? NO, THIS IS THE I THINK THE THIRD RENDITION OF IT.

SO IT'S NOT AN UNFAMILIAR DOCUMENT? NO, NO.

THERE'S A HANDFUL OF TWEAKS THAT WE DID WITH MAYOR PEREZ AND COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT UP HERE IN OUR THREE PRIOR MEETINGS.

OK, SO WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THERE.

BUT THE REST OF IT, NO, THE HEAVY RED LINE STUFF WAS ON VERSION ONE AND VERSION TWO.

IT'S NOT A NEW DOCUMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ONE FURTHER, YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT MY COUNSEL BY NOW, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A VOTE, TO HAVE DONE THAT.

YEAH, OK.

JUDITH, YOU DIDN'T GET RECEIVE THE DOCUMENT, IT'S FINE BY ME.

I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE SAYING WE'RE JUST SPEAKING IN TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

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SO WE DID RECEIVE I DID RECEIVE AN AGREEMENT ON FRIDAY AFTER THE PACKET WAS ALREADY PUT TOGETHER.

IT'S FINE.

YOU KNOW.

SO ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.

TOTALLY.

LET ME REITERATE THAT THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAD PROPOSED WAS DELETED.

SO I DID NOT GET ANY CLIENT APPROVAL ON A CONTRACT THAT HAD DELETED LANGUAGE.

AND YOUR PACKET WAS ALREADY TOGETHER.

SO RIGHT.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH.

THE GROUP HAS COME TO COUNSEL, WITH THEIR MIND ALREADY MADE UP KNOWING THAT A DECISION WAS GOING TO BE MADE, BEING ABLE TO BE MADE ON THE CONTRACT THAT WAS SENT.

AND LET ME JUST ADD, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

AND IT MAY NOT BE CLEAR THAT I EMAILED THEIR ATTORNEY AND SAID THE DRAFT WILL BE IN THE PACKET.

SO THAT WAS CLEARLY COMMUNICATED.

AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, WE'VE HAD PACKETS SENT TO US AND THEY'LL BE GIVEN REVISIONS THE NIGHT OF AND WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL DOCUMENT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, MY BAD I DIDN'T FOLLOW UP TO GO, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE THIS GETS INSERTED OR SLASH FORWARD IT OUT SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A FINISHED PRODUCT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RED LINES ON IT OVER THE TALKING POINTS THAT CECIL AND I, AND MR. HOLIGAN GAVE IN.

[INAUDIBLE] OF BAKER AND LAWSON THAT WE REVIEWED JUST SO WE COULD MAKE THIS WHAT WE THOUGHT A SMOOTHER PROCESS.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT BEEN A SMOOTHER PROCESS.

IT'S BEEN AGAIN, APRIL OF 2020.

YOU HAD A UTILITY AGREEMENT IN THE PACKET AND IT WAS SAID, OK, WE WANT TO DO THIS AGREEMENT, WE WANT TO SELL THEM UTILITIES ADD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO THIS.

LET ME KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT MARK SAID.

IF WE WEREN'T INTERESTED.

WE WOULD HAVE TOLD, YOU NO, A LONG TIME AGO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SPENT AN HOUR DISCUSSING IT TONIGHT.

SO WE'RE CLEARLY WANTING TO WORK WITH YOU.

I MEAN, I COULD HAVE JUST STOOD UP AND MADE A MOTION AN HOUR AGO AND SAID, NO, LET'S MOVE ALONG, GOOD LUCK, MR. HOLIGAN GO DEVELOP YOUR WELL AND MAINTAIN YOUR WILL.

HOLIGAN.

I APOLOGIZE, MR. HOLIGAN.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO INSULT YOU, AND I'M REALLY NOT SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS DEBATE AND DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO FEEL LIKE WE OWE THE CITY A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT IT BY HAVING OUR CITY MANAGER, OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY ENGINEER ALL ON BOARD.

AND WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS TWO WEEKS.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN LIVE WITH, I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I BELIEVE THIS, I MEAN, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE IS ALREADY READY TO VOTE, BUT I'M SITTING UP HERE COMPLETELY OPEN MINDED.

I'VE SWITCHED MY MIND HAS SWITCHED 10 TIMES DURING THIS CONVERSATION.

BUT THE ONLY THING I CAN COME TO COMFORT WITH RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT.

I GET THAT WHICH IS TWO WEEKS.

THEN I MEAN, I CAN ASK FROM MY POSITION CITY COUNCIL AND ASK MR. MAYOR TO LIKE ALL HANDS ON DECK MR. CITY MANAGER, THIS HAS GOT TO BE AN ISSUE RESOLVED BY TWO WEEKS.

THIS CAN'T THIS EVERYTHING ELSE, SAVE EMERGENCY YOU KNOW EMERGENCIES HAPPEN IN THE CITY.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS RESOLVED.

HOWEVER, THAT RESOURCES IT TAKES, IT TAKES.

SAME GOES WITH JUDITH AND THE RANDLE LAW FIRM AND WHATEVER OTHER ATTORNEYS THAT NEED TO GET ON THIS TO HELP US GET THROUGH THIS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT TOO, BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'M NOT A NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER ON ONE PAGE, TRYING TO GET TO IT YES.

BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS WHERE PEOPLE WILL TELL, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAN WALK AWAY JUST THAT FAST.

I'M TRYING TO GET TO IT.

YES, I REALLY AM.

AND I THINK YOU WANT US TO SAY YES TOO BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR IF IT WASN'T ALSO, YOU SEE IT IN YOUR BEST INTERESTS.

AGREED.

SO WHY DON'T WE BOTH WORK TOWARDS OUR BEST INTERESTS ON BOTH SIDES? GIVE US TWO WEEKS AND WE HAVE TO VOTE TUESDAY.

IT HAS TO HAVE AN ANSWER.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GET DOWN ON THE CITY BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE HANDS IN MANY

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POTS AND HOLES TO FILL.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET TO THE ANSWER TO THIS.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

AND I MEAN, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

VERY WELL SAID.

NO, I SECOND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

VERY WELL SAID, TRAVIS.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

I MEAN, MY OPINION RIGHT NOW IS TO TAKE NO ACTION AND PUSH IT TO TWO WEEKS WITH THE DEMAND THAT IT GETS RESOLVED.

THAT'S WHERE I WANT.

I'LL ASK THAT YOU SET ME ASIDE FOR A LITTLE BIT AND COVER SOME MORE OF YOUR AGENDA AND THEN I'LL COME BACK, LET ME MAKE SOME CALLS AND TALK TO SOME PEOPLE.

OK, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

WELL I THINK RIGHT NOW WE COULD JUST TABLE IT AND COME BACK TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

TABLE IT AND COME BACK.

WE WILL TABLE ITEM NUMBER TWELVE.

THANK YOU MR. HOLIGAN.

WE'LL MOVE ON ITEM NUMBER 13 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ACCEPTANCE OF THE GREYSTONE

[13. Discussion and possible action on the acceptance of the Greystone Subdivision Public Improvements.]

SUBDIVISION PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ACCEPTANCE REQUEST FOR GREYSTONE SUBDIVISION.

THAT'S THE SUBDIVISION OF 111 SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOTS OFF OF NORTH VALDERAS.

AND THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS, ACCORDING TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IS IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS THAT FIRST INVOLVES PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE WITH A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND, AS WELL AS FINAL ACCEPTANCE A YEAR LATER WITH A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND.

SO WE DID RECEIVE A WAIVER REQUEST, A WAIVER DEPARTURE FROM SECTION TWENTY THREE NINETY EIGHT K OF THE LDC, WHICH WOULD WAIVE THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE AND HAVE FINAL ACCEPTANCE AFTER A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND.

SO STAFF HAS WE WALKED THE SITE IN ITS ENTIRETY TWICE AND FIRST CAME UP WITH A PUNCH LIST OF ITEMS, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO REPORT WAS RELATIVELY SHORT.

IT WAS A VERY BRIEF BUNCH OF ITEMS THAT WERE MOSTLY COSMETIC.

STAFF VERIFIED THAT THOSE ISSUES WERE RESOLVED AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PRESENT THIS TO COUNCIL AS A FINAL ACCEPTANCE WITH A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND.

WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION FROM THE CITY'S ENGINEER.

AND SO IF YOU CAN APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AS A FINAL WITH A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND WERE ACCORDING TO THE LDC, WHICH IS THE TWO STEP PROCESS.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

SORRY, DREW A BLANK FOR A SECOND I WAS OFF IN LA LA LAND.

OK, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR MS. LINDSAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

AND THIS IS JUST A NORMAL FORMALITY WHEN WE GET NEW STREETS AND NEW INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THE CITY.

SO COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT'S ACCEPTING THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ARE THE CIVIL, WHICH INCLUDES THE DRAINAGE ROADWAYS AND THE WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

STREET SIGNS.

AGAIN, THE PUNCH LIST WAS REALLY SHORT AND THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE].

THAT WAS THE CONTRACTOR ON THAT SITE.

AND THEY RESOLVED EVERYTHING TO THE CITY'S SATISFACTION.

GREAT.

AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DRIVE OVER THERE.

THE ROAD IS OPEN, YOU CAN RIDE AROUND JUST [INAUDIBLE] INTO THE [INAUDIBLE].

WE DROVE IT THE OTHER DAY WHEN THE GATE WAS OPEN.

NOW IT'S CLOSED.

OK, SORRY.

I TOLD MY SON THAT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU'RE EVER [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH WITH THE GATE OPEN.

WELL, I WILL SAY THERE WAS A FIRE AT THE END OF THAT ON OUR STREET.

AND THEY HAD THE ROAD BLOCKED FOR ABOUT THREE HOURS AND NOBODY COULD GET IN AND OUT, BUT THEY DID OPEN UP THE BACK GATE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO LEAVE.

SO IT SHOWS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST AN ALTERNATE TO IN AND OUT, BECAUSE MY STREET JUST EXPERIENCED IT TWO MONTHS AGO, NOT NOT EVEN ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

SO BUT YES.

AND SOMETHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE PROCESS, THE FINAL ACCEPTANCE WITH THE ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND WAS THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS CONDUCTED PRIOR TO THE LDC ADOPTION.

COUNCIL, WHAT IS Y'ALL'S PLEASURE.

I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL ACCEPT THE GREYSTONE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND PENDING SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THE ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND PERIOD? SECOND.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, LET ME.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

[INAUDIBLE] FOR SOME REASON, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THAT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS THAT AT THE END OF ONE YEAR BEGINS A SECOND MAINTENANCE

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PERIOD OF ANOTHER YEAR, WHICH IS TOTALLY OUTSIDE, WHAT IS TYPICALLY DONE? IN ANYTHING, NOW, THERE ARE SOME ODDITIES THAT YOU MAY HAVE CONSTRUCTED, SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT ARE SOME SUPER HIGH DOLLAR THINGS YOU MIGHT HAVE AN EXTENDED WARRANTY ON, BUT CITY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, YOU GET TO THE END OF THE PROJECT, THE CITY REPRESENTATIVE, THE CITIES ENGINEER, THE INSPECTOR GET TOGETHER.

THEY LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND THEY SAID, YES, IT'S ALL DONE.

YOUR WARRANTY PERIOD STARTS TODAY ONE YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD.

AND SOMEHOW THERE'S LANGUAGES IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEN IT REQUIRES AN EXTENDED WARRANTY.

WELL, LOOK, IN TWO YEARS TIME, THERE'S GOING TO BE NUMEROUS HOMES OUT THERE, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GET DONE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE TOTALLY OUTSIDE THE CONTRACTORS REQUIREMENTS HE'S FULFILLED TO REQUIRE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO STANDARDS AND LIKE THEY HAD WALK THROUGH IT'S ALL RIGHT.

SO IN CASE SOMETHING GOES AWRY, FIRE HYDRANT FALLS OVER SOMETHING IN A YEAR'S TIME DUE TO ITS POOR CONSTRUCTION, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIX IT.

SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY GET ADDRESSED.

IN THE UPDATE OF THE LDC.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM THE CITY, THAT WE WON'T MENTIONS BOOK THAT WE COPIED.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS.

CALL FOR THE.

WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME ISSUE COME UP ON THE.

OTHER ONES.

THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.

YOU ARE CORRECT COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH.

AND YOU WILL SEE MORE OF THESE, I'M SURE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT ARE COMING UP PRETTY QUICKLY, PROBABLY [INAUDIBLE], PROBABLY RIVERWOOD RANCH, SECTION ONE.

SO BAKER AND LAWSON HAS SUBMITTED THAT WAIVER.

AND WE'VE ALSO INSTRUCTED THEM THAT THAT WAIVER WILL BE REQUIRED FOR EACH OF THESE SITES.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU MR. BOOTH, FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

THAT MOTION DOES CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT ONE NO.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

NUMBER 14, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A VARIANCE TO THE SIDEWALK

[14. Discussion and possible action on a variance to the sidewalk requirement of Chapter 23, Section 23-14.A. Sidewalks, for Lot 23A of the Habitat for Humanity of Southern Brazoria County Caldwell Road Subdivision.]

REQUIREMENT OF CHAPTER 23, SECTION 23-14.A SIDEWALKS FOR LOT 23A OF THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY, CALDWELL ROAD SUBDIVISION.

MR. WALTER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

YOU PRETTY MUCH READ IT ALL.

THIS IS A REQUEST BY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR A VARIANCE OF THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT FOR A LOT 23A IN THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY CALDWELL ROAD SUBDIVISION.

THERE'S AN AERIAL PHOTO THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR BACK UP THAT SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THERE'S A DITCH IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE OF CALDWELL IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND STAFF FEELS THAT THE PROVISION OF SIDEWALKS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING BUILT ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT THE VARIANCE IS WARRANTED AND SHOULD BE GRANTED.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE VARIANCE AT THEIR MAY THE 6TH MEETING AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE BY A VOTE OF FOUR IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED AND ONE ABSENT.

OK, THANK YOU, MR. WALTER.

SO ANOTHER HABITAT HOME.

SO THIS ISN'T IN THE NORMAL AREA THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE THE HABITAT, NORMALLY I THINK HABITAT IS CLOSER TOWARDS THE FAIRGROUNDS.

I'VE GONE OVER.

SIR COME ON UP.

BECAUSE I'VE GONE OVER THERE WHEN THEY DID A BUILD OVER THERE.

SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT Y'ALL LOCATED TO DO THIS WONDERFUL PROJECT.

I'M DAVE EDGINGTON I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IN SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN YOU OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES ON HOMES.

WE HAVE BUILT THREE ON CALDWELL.

THIS WILL BE RIGHT IN LINE WITH THOSE THREE.

OK, ALREADY.

THERE'S 12 HOMES RIGHT NOW ON CALDWELL ROAD AND PROBABLY ROOM FOR FIVE OR SIX MORE AT MOST IN SCATTERED LOTS AROUND.

BUT AS WALTER SAID, THERE'S NOT ONE FOOT OF SIDEWALK ANYWHERE ON CALDWELL OR

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WHERE IT GOES DOWN TO DOWNING.

AND OF COURSE, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON SOUTH DOWNING BECAUSE OF THE DITCHES, IT WOULD JUST BE A SIDEWALK THAT WOULD BASICALLY GO TO NOWHERE.

IT WOULD RUN TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY AND WOULDN'T REALLY BE FUNCTIONAL IF WE WERE DOING A WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

YES, I'D AGREE SIDEWALKS ARE A GREAT THING, BUT IT JUST ADDS TO THE COST OF THE HOME.

AND ONE THING WE TRY TO DO IS BUILD AFFORDABLE HOMES BECAUSE WE BUILD FOR LOWER INCOME FAMILIES.

SO THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT THAT WOULD BE FRIVOLOUS WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ON A HOME.

WE TRY AND BUILD NICE, CLEAN, DEPENDABLE HOMES.

AFFORDABLE IS ALSO IN THERE BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ONLY SERVE PEOPLE THAT ARE BETWEEN 30 AND 60 PERCENT OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOMES FOR BRAZORIA COUNTY.

SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE ENOUGH TO AFFORD THE PAYMENT TO BUY THE HOME.

THEY CAN'T MAKE TOO MUCH THAT THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR A CONVENTIONAL LOAN.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S KEY TO US TO KEEP THE COST OF THE HOME DOWN BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE FIGURE THE PAYMENTS THAT THEY MAKE ON THE HOME.

PEOPLE ONLY PAY FOR THE BASIC COST OF PUTTING THE HOME UP.

MOST OF THE HOME IS PUT UP BY VOLUNTEER LABOR.

SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE WE FINANCE THE LOAN RIGHT NOW WE'RE FINANCING LOANS FOR 25 YEARS AND ZERO INTEREST.

SO IT KEEPS KEEPS PAYMENTS DOWN.

A LOT MORE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THEM.

THIS WILL BE THE TWENTY FIRST HOME WE BUILT IN ANGLETON SINCE 2000 AND ANGLETON HAS ALWAYS BEEN JUST TREMENDOUS PARTNERS WITH US ON HOMES AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

I LOOKED AT THE MAP WRONG I THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING AT GIFFORD AND THEN I SAW FAIR GROUNDS.

I STAND CORRECTED.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S IN THE AREA THAT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, OTHER HABITAT HOMES.

JUST ON A SIDE NOTE, THERE'S STILL SOME OTHER PROPERTIES OVER THERE.

DO Y'ALL STILL IS THAT STILL IN Y'ALL'S OWNERSHIP THE ONES THAT ARE EMPTY.

WE HAVE SOME OF THE EMPTY LOT.

YES, OK.

WE HAVE THREE MORE EMPTY LOTS OVER THERE.

OK, YES.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

AND IN BUILDING, THE LAST THING I REMEMBER WAS MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO, Y'ALL BUILT ONE HERE.

WAS IT THREE YEARS AGO? IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF.

IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

OK, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OK, THANK YOU ALL.

SO COUNCIL, YOU HAVE YOUR ITEM BEFORE YOU.

YES, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR THE CALDWELL ROAD, FOR [INAUDIBLE], FOR THIS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY CALDWELL ROAD SUBDIVISION.

I HAVE A MOTION DO I HAVE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, THE ONLY THING IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF SIDEWALKS, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF REQUIRING THAT IN THIS GIVEN AREA, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ANYWHERE ELSE ON THAT AREA.

IT COMES UP TO FIVE POINT THREE, WHICH HAS NO SIDEWALKS OR IT'S NOT 5.3 IT WOULD BE YEAH, IT USED TO BE, BUT THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT.

AND THEN IT'S DOWNING NOW.

SO, YEAH, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO REQUIRE THAT AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS.

SEEING NONE I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

OH GO AHEAD CHRIS.

SO MAYBE IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY THAT WE WOULD PUT SIDEWALKS IN.

FOR FUTURE, STARTED THINKING ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, YEAH.

JUST ON THAT STREET ALONE, HOW MANY HABITAT HOMES ARE ACTUALLY ON CALDWELL? I THINK YOU SAID IT BUT DO YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER.

FIVE I THINK IS WHAT YOU SAID.

WE BUILT THREE THIS WILL BE THE 4TH.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE THREE OK.

ARE THEY SCATTERED AROUND OR ARE THEY BEING BUILT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

SHOULD BE ON THAT NORTH SIDE MIC].

SO, CHRIS, THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT FOR THE FUTURE FOR WHEN WE DO SOME SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.

OK, ANY MORE COMMENTS, HEARING NONE I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

HOLIGAN, YOU'RE BACK IN THE ROOM.

I'LL TAKE IT.

OH, I SEE, MR.

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[12. Discussion and possible action on the proposed development agreement with Holigan Communities, Inc. for the Reserve Development. (Part 2 of 2)]

WE WOULD LIKE IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR DECISION IS SIR.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIALOG WITH OUR PARTNERS ON IT IN YOUR CONSIDERATION OF IT.

AND WE APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF COUNCIL.

WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH OUR PARTNERS ON THE DEAL IS THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A DELAY OF TWO WEEKS IF WE WOULD COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS SOLELY WITH THE UTILITY AGREEMENT, AS THE MANAGER HAD PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, ON THE BASIS OF THAT ORIGINAL HDR MEMO FROM 2019 AS FAR AS THE CALCULATION OF IMPACT FEES.

OK, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS UTILITY AGREEMENT NO DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT.

WILL THAT BE FINE TO DO THE UTILITIES APPROPRIATE REVIEW AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND IT'S A PRIORITY FOR OUR CITY TO GET THAT SQUARED AWAY SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING SOLID ON THE NEXT MEETING.

COUNCIL.

CHRIS.

JUDITH.

WELL I'M LOOKING AT JAVIER OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY JAVIER IS THAT A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME FOR YOU GUYS TO WORK THAT FOR US? YES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET THAT DONE BEFORE THAT TIME FRAME.

OK? REMEMBER, WE HAVE A HOLIDAY IN THERE, SO JUST REMEMBER THERE'S A HOLIDAY.

WHAT HOLIDAY.

YOU MAY BE WORKING.

WE HAVE A CITY HOLIDAY.

YEAH, OK.

I THINK MENTALLY, ALL OF US ARE WORKING ANYWAYS.

OK, I'LL COME JOIN YOU.

[INAUDIBLE] I'LL CAMP OUT IN MY OFFICE.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SOME DIRECTION.

HOLIGAN GROUP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PATIENCE.

I KNOW IT GETS A LITTLE HEATED.

I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH JOB FOR EVERYBODY AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS WE'RE RIGHT THERE TO THE FINISH LINE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I MADE A MOTION SHOULD I WITHDRAW THAT MOTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW.

AND WHO SECONDED THAT.

NOBODY.

OKAY SO HE STARTED THE MOTION.

WE JUST DIDN'T FINISH AT ALL.

I KNOW, GUYS, WE ARE MUCH BETTER THAN THIS.

I KNOW WE ARE GUYS.

WE WERE MUCH BETTER THAN THIS.

THANK YOU, GUYS AND STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR IT'S ALREADY 10:15.

THANK YOU, GUYS.

NUMBER 16, DISCUSSION ON AUTOMATIC.

MOVE RIGHT ALONG.

WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION NOT APPROVE THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT.

TO GO FORWARD WITH UTILITIES AGREEMENT.

I BELIEVE IS JUNE THE 8TH, TO ALLOW FOR A BASICALLY A STRAIGHT UP OR STRAIGHT DOWN VOTE AT THAT POINT.

SO YOU'RE MAKING THAT A [INAUDIBLE] MOTION.

AND DON'T FORGET TO MENTION THAT THE UTILITIES AGREEMENT IS IN THE AGENDA AND PACKET AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN NOTICE ON WHAT THE UTILITY AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE.

ECHOING WHAT JUDITH JUST SAID.

FRANCES, AGREEMENT, AS PRESENTED ALREADY IN OUR PACKET, THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY HDR OR CITY ATTORNEY AND TO ALLOW FOR A STRAIGHT UP VOTE ON OR PRESENT AT NEXT COUNCIL.

I'LL MOVE FOR THAT.

ON THE 8TH.

YOU'RE DENYING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

I THINK FRANCES GOT IT ALL.

SHE CAN GO BACK AND READ THE TAPE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES.

YEAH GO AHEAD.

DOES COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH WITHDRAW HIS MOTION.

I THOUGHT HE DID THAT ALREADY.

YES, MA'AM I DID.

I'M SORRY.

I DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

YES, HE'S WITHDRAWN HIS MOTION.

WE WENT BACK TO TOWNSEND AND NOW WE'RE SQUARED UP.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES.

NOW WE'RE ON TO NUMBER 16.

I THINK [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSSION ON THE AUTOMATIC METERS AMI DEPLOYMENT

[16. Discussion on the Automatic Meters (AMI) Deployment Project Status and related Utility Billing.]

PROJECT STATUS AND RELATED UTILITY BILLING.

MR. 2ND CHRIS 2.0 AND MS. CHLOE.

I WOULD JUST YOU ALL WANT TO HEAR LET'S TALK ABOUT THE METERS NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, ME, JEFF AND CHLOE, ON THE NEW OF AUTOMATIC METERS.

SO FIRST, TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT, AND WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES THAT YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND WE'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO WE'RE ABOUT 50 PERCENT COMPLETE WITH THE METER DEPLOYMENT.

THEY PUT IN A SECOND TEAM ON MAY THE 17TH.

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SO THE PLAN IS THAT ALL THE METERS WOULD BE IN BY AUGUST THE 31ST.

THAT'S THE PROJECT UPDATE.

I MEAN, THESE SMART METERS ARE THE INDUSTRY LEADING PERFORMANCE STANDARD.

THEY PROVIDE ALARMS FOR LEAK DETECTION, REVERSE FLOW, EMPTY PIPE, YOU KNOW, MAGNETIC TAMPERING OR LOW BATTERY.

SO THEY'RE GIVING US A LOT OF DATA.

THAT'S THE KEY TO THE BENEFIT OF THESE METERS, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE DATA.

IT'S ACCURATE.

IT'S A MORE ACCURATE DATA MEASUREMENT.

IT ALSO DOES LOWER OUR METER READING COST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE THE SIX PEOPLE THAT THAT READ THE METERS IT'S GOING TO BE AN AUTOMATIC UPLOAD TO THE SYSTEM.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE ACCURATE.

AND THE CUSTOMER IS GOING TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SET ALERTS WHERE IF THERE'S A INCREASE IN USAGE, THEY'LL GET ALERTED IF THEY WANT TO SO, IF THEY HAVE A LEAK, THEY CAN BE ALERTED.

THEY'RE GOING TO JUST HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO MANAGE THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, WATER USAGE AND WATER COST.

SO IT SHOULD IMPROVE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DATA.

YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE IS A QUESTION WE CAN POINT THEM TO EXACTLY.

IT'S GOING TO MEASURE EVERY HOUR SO WE CAN SAY ON THIS HOUR, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, SO WE CAN TELL THEM EXACTLY WHEN IT HAPPENED, HOW YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT SHOULD MAKE FOR MORE SATISFIED CUSTOMER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.

IT'S GOING TO SAVE US SOME MONEY.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE DATA SO WE CAN MANAGE OUR SYSTEM BETTER.

SO OVERALL, IT'S GOING TO BE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY.

SO CHLOE DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT OR JEFF? PROBABLY.

WHERE'S JEFF.

HE'S BEHIND YOU.

JEFF.

ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO LET JEFF, GO NEXT SO HE CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

I KNOW HERE LATELY, SOME COUNCIL AND CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THE LEAKS, WHAT IS ON THE CITY SIDE? WHAT IS ON CUSTOMER SIDE? YES.

SO I BROUGHT THIS HERE TONIGHT, THIS IS WHAT WHEN WE GO OUT AND MAKE A WATER TAP, THIS COMES UP FROM THE MAIN.

HERE'S THE CUT OFF VALVE, HERE'S THE METER.

AND HERE IS WHAT WE CALL OUR METER COUPLING.

AFTER WE MAKE THAT A PLUMBER COMES IN ON THE CUSTOMER SIDE AND HOOK RIGHT HERE.

SO THIS IS THE CUSTOMER SIDE 99 PERCENT OF THE TIME WHEN THEY HAVE A LEAK THIS BUSTS AND WE GO OUT AND TELL THEM LEAKS ON YOUR SIDE, THEY DON'T BELIEVE US.

SO WE GOTTA TELL THEM.

BUT THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

AND THAT'S HOW WE POINT TO BROUGHT THE OLD STYLE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS YEAH, THIS IS THE OLD STYLE HERE.

I DIDN'T GET THE NEW ONES OUT OF BOXES, BUT.

BUT LIKE HE SAYS THE NEW METER.

WE ARE FINDING PEOPLE WITH LEAKS THAT HAD LEAKS BEFORE.

DIDN'T KNOW IT HAD ONE CUSTOMER.

TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

I WENT BACK AND LOOKED TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY GALLONS PER DAY SINCE WE PUT THE METER IN.

HE'D COME TO CITY HALL.

BUT WHEN HE WENT BACK HOME, THE USAGE WENT PLUMB DOWN.

SO HE FOUND A LEAK.

SO BUT THEY DON'T GET ON FACEBOOK.

SO THAT WAS THE ELECTRONIC METER THAT HE HAD THE PROBLEM WITH AFTER WE CHANGED IT OUT, SHOW ME ON THERE.

SO THE TOP THE BLACK BOX IS, WHAT WE'RE CHANGING OUT RIGHT.

OR ARE WE CHANGING OUT THE WHOLE METER ITSELF.

WE ARE CHANGING OUT THE WHOLE METER.

OK, AND IT HAS ELECTRONIC IT STILL HAS A FLIP TAB ON IT.

RIGHT WITH THE NUMBERS WHERE YOU CAN READ THEM.

BUT THERE'S ELECTRONIC DEAL HOOKS TO HERE AND IT GOES UP TO THE METER BOX LID.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW WE EVEN HAD A FLIP LID ON IT BECAUSE I KNOW.

MINE DON'T HAVE FLIP LIDS.

YOU JUST OPEN THE BOX AND IT'S RIGHT THERE.

NO IF IT'S ELECTRONIC IT FLIPS UP.

SOME OF THEM IS BROKE OFF.

BUT THE NEW STYLE ALL GOT THE LIDS.

SO AS JEFF WAS SAYING, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE METERS HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING IN A LOT OF CASES AND SO WHEN WE PUT A METER ON THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AND IS VERY AND VERY, VERY ACCURATE.

WE GET A LOT BETTER READINGS.

AND SO THAT'S CAUSING SOME SHOCK FROM OUR RESIDENTS.

YEAH, THEIR METER HAS BEEN STUCK FOR A WHILE AND WE AIN'T GOT TO CHANGE IT OUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS RIGHT HERE.

YOU SEE THE SAME READING THE TWENTY.

I CAN'T SEE THAT READING FROM HERE, BUT IT'S THE SAME READING ZERO CONSUMPTION ALL THE WAY.

THEN WHEN WE PUT A NEW METER IN, THAT'S WHEN IT STARTED READING, OH, MY BILLS ALWAYS BEEN 57 DOLLARS, BUT THAT'S YOUR MINIMUM BILL.

SO NOW THEY GETTING CHARGED FOR THE USAGE THEY DO.

YEAH, IT WAS BROKEN IT WAS STUCK THAT'S WHY THE BILL WAS LOWER ACTUAL WORKS.

THAT'S THE READING.

SO IF IT EVER CHANGES, THAT MEANS YOU DIDN'T USE ANY WATER.

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SO THE METER SAID BUT IT WAS BROKEN.

SO ALSO ON IDLE ACCOUNTS, NOW, WHEN WE HAVE ELECTRONIC METER, PEOPLE MOVES OUT.

SOME PEOPLE MOVE IN, TURNED THEIR OWN WATER ON.

WELL, NOW WE'LL GETTING AN ALARM OR SOMETHING THAT THAT WATER HAS BEEN USED AT THAT ADDRESS.

SO WE CAN GO OUT THERE REAL QUICK.

GIVE THEM A LETTER PUT DEPOSIT DOWN ON THAT.

SO THAT HELPS OUT TOO.

IS THERE GOING TO BE A LITTLE I'VE SEEN IN FREEPORT A LITTLE BLUE PLASTIC DISK THAT GOES ON TOP OF THE.

SO YOU'LL KNOW WHEN YOU GET A PLASTIC DISK ON THE TOP OF YOUR METER BOX, YOU GOT THE NEW ONE.

WE'RE REPLACING ALL METER BOX LIDS WITH PLASTIC LIDS.

IT'S GOT THE INSERT FOR THE GOLLY.

YEAH, YOU GOT THE OLD CONCRETE ONE WITH THE METAL LID.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGED YET.

I KNOW IT.

[LAUGHTER] SO STARTING IN AUGUST, WE'LL START ISSUING OUT CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS.

SO THAT YOU'LL GET YOUR.

THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

GO IN AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT AND SEE WHAT YOUR ACCOUNT USAGE IS.

WHY ARE WE WAITING TILL AUGUST WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE THE ELECTRONIC METERS? WHY CAN'T THEY KIND OF BE OUR TEST DUMMIES AND SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT WE'RE NOT ROLLING THIS OUT ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY AT ONE TIME.

TEST PERSONS.

THE COUNTY WANTED TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN GET ALL THE BUGS WORKED OUT AND DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS COME IN AT ONE TIME AND THEN HAD TO DO THE CUSTOMERS TOO AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR LIKE A MONTH OR TWO AFTER WE GET INSTALLED.

BUT I'M LIKE YOU NOW.

I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO RIGHT NOW.

A COUPLE OF US CAN GO IN THERE AND LOOK AND TEST AND WE LEARN IN THIS SYSTEM.

YOU KNOW ENCOURAGE US TO DO A ROLL OUT.

SO WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU.

MAYBE JUST DO IT IN BLOCKS, LET PEOPLE KNOW, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, HEY IF YOU WANT TO LEARN HOW TO DO IT.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT ONLINE OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAKERS] LIKE, MAKE A VIDEO AND YOU ALL CAN JUST WATCH THE VIDEO.

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

OK, YEAH, JEFF.

JEFF VOLUNTEERED FOR THAT HE SAID HE WANTED TO MAKE VIDEOS.

THAT DEMONSTRATION RIGHT THERE IS VERY VALUABLE TO MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WILL WATCH OR SEE BECAUSE NOW THEY UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

I PERSONALLY AM KIND OF I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE ALL THESE METERS IN A LONG TIME AGO.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO START WITH TWO GROUPS BACK IN NOVEMBER.

I THINK NOVEMBER.

I THINK I TALKED TO YOU ALL AND THEY SAID THEY WERE BEHIND AND THEY WERE GOING TO ANNOUNCE JUST AS OF AS CHRIS SAID MAY.

THEY ARE MOVING TWO GROUPS.

I MEAN, WE'RE PRETTY FAR BEHIND.

THIS HAS BEEN A YEAR NOW THAT WE APPROVED IT.

SO FOUR THOUSAND SIXTY NINE.

WE ARE AT 50 PERCENT.

SO WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT WE'RE GETTING UP THERE.

SOMEBODY ASKED A QUESTION.

I JUST REALLY QUICKLY WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S TWO METERS IN ONE BOX.

DO YOU HAVE TWO DISKS? NO YOU HAVE ONE DISK WITH TWO WIRES GOING TO THAT ONE DISK MIC] OKAY.

A SINGLE WIRE THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL A DUAL ANTENNA YEAH, THOSE ARE PEOPLE WITH THE PRETTY MUCH THE IRRIGATION.

WE DID THAT FOR A WHILE.

NOT TO CAUSE YOU TO HAVE ANY MORE WORK, BUT I WAS THINKING, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN SET THIS, MAYBE SET THE PROGRAM UP TO WHERE IF YOU KEEP GETTING ZERO USAGE OUT OF A CERTAIN ADDRESS, YOU GO CHECK TO SEE IF THEY MOVED OUT, EXPIRED IN THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW.

WE WILL KNOW THAT NOW BECAUSE A REPORT WILL COME OUT EVERY DAY AND IT WILL SHOW ON THERE HOW MANY IDLE METERS OR IF SOMEBODY MOVED OUT AT ZERO CONSUMPTION.

IF THIS METER AIN'T READ IN SO MANY HOURS, WE GET AN ALARM.

SO WE KNOW THAT, OK, SOMETHINGS WRONG, OK? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE MECHANICAL.

THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STOP WORKING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET A REPORT THEN HEY, IT'S NOT.

THEY'VE BEEN USING WATER THEY ARE NOT USING THE WATER NOW, WHAT HAPPENED? THESE ARE ALL ELECTRONIC METERS.

THERE AIN'T NO MOVING PARTS INSIDE.

IT RUNS OFF A LITTLE LASER BEAM AND CALCULATES THE READINGS AND STUFF.

THESE ARE AND THESE METERS HAVE BEEN CALIBRATED BEFORE THEY SEND TO US.

SO THERE IS A TAG ON THEM.

SO PEOPLE SAYING, OH, THE ELECTRONIC METER IS WRONG.

NO, IT'S ALREADY BEEN TESTED.

SO BEFORE WE GET IT, SO WE HAVE THAT PROOF THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN TESTED.

I THINK THESE ARE GOING TO DO REAL GOOD.

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I THINK OUR USAGE IN OUR REPORTS AND [INAUDIBLE] CAN YOU SHUT THE WATER OFF REMOTELY OR WE CAN GO IN LATER AND PUT ELECTRONIC CUT OFFS.

THEY WILL BE ONTO THE METERS, BUT THEY GOT RUN OFF THE BATTERY.

OK, SO YOU DON'T ONLY DO THEM ON THE REGULAR CUSTOMER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO OR THREE HUNDRED OF THEM THAT LIKES TO PARK THEIR CAR ON TOP OF THE METER BOX WHERE YOU CAN'T CUT THEM OFF.

SO YOU'RE ABLE TO AND WE MIGHT DO THAT ONCE WE GET THIS IN IN A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BUY SOME CUT OFFS.

I'M SURE THERE IS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS PRESENTED TO US THAT WE WERE GOING TO BUY A HANDFUL.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE CUSTOMERS THAT TYPICALLY TRY TO SKIRT THE SYSTEM OR BEING HONEST BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL DO IT.

THEN THEY WOULD GO IN AND Y'ALL WOULD CUT THEM OFF AND THEY GO CUT IT BACK ON.

SO THOSE HABITUAL TYPE PLAYERS, SO TO SPEAK.

SO I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE AT LEAST HAD A HANDFUL.

YOU ALREADY IDENTIFIED ADDRESSES THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE THE NEW CUSTOMER OF THE AUTOMATIC SHUT OFF.

ALSO THESE HAS AN ALARM ON THEM WHEN SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO TAMPER WITH THEM.

WE WOULD KNOW IT YET.

IF THEY CUT THE WIRES THE ALARMS GO OFF OR IF THEY TRIED TO TURN THE METER BACK.

SO WE'D HAVE ALARMS GO OFF SO A QUESTION.

I DO KNOW SOME PEOPLE AND I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM DOWN AT MY PROPERTY AT THE END, I TURN THE METER, I'LL TURN IT OFF RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

YOU CAN STILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

IT'S STILL.

YOU CAN STILL CONTINUE.

OR IF YOU'RE GOING ON VACATION, YOU WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE YOUR WATERS OFF YOU CAN DO THAT, OK.

BECAUSE WE KNOW YOUR FLOW, YOU KNOW, AIN'T THAT MUCH DOWN THERE [INAUDIBLE].

SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT SO UNLESS YOU HAVE A BROKEN LINE.

EXACTLY.

I HAVE A BROKEN LINE.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK A JOHN TRIVIAL QUESTION, ONLY CAUSE IT WAS, I WOULD EXPECT IT FROM JOHN.

HAVE YOU SEEN AN UPTICK IN THE BILLING DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THE ACCOUNTS THAT WE'VE NOW DONE? HAVE YOU SEEN LIKE TRENDING TO SEE IF THIS IS OUR BILLS THAT GO OUT? IS THERE AN INCREASE OR DECREASE BASED ON A NORMAL.

I KNOW IT'S NOT NORMAL.

2020 IS NOT NORMAL.

BUT YOU SEE WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT? HAVE Y'ALL BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY FOR TRENDS THAT? CHOLE.

WE GET BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GETTING ACCURATE BILLING.

ARE WE GOING TO SEE AN UPTICK IN THE ACTUAL REVENUE POTENTIALLY OR IS IT STILL STAYING FLAT? THE IT'S NOT THE PRETTIEST THING, SO.

PUT THE NEW METER IN AND MINE IS STILL ABOUT 100 BUCKS.

SO I DIDN'T SEE A CHANGE OFF OF THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

SO I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT.

ARE WE SEEING BECAUSE IT'D BE MORE ACCURATE, ARE WE SEEING AN INCREASE? YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE YOU GOING TO SAY YOU INCREASES, OK? AND YOU METERS THAT SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT, NOT MUCH, BUT ONLY READING PROBABLY 80 PERCENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEN YOU PUT A METER IN A HUNDRED PERCENT.

I THINK ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING IN, WE CAN MORE TELL OUR REVENUE.

MORE QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE AROUND, ARE WE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW BEFORE WE GO IN AND CHANGE THEIR METERS? BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE SAY, HEY, CITY REACHED OUT TO ME AND TOLD ME, HEY, MY STREET'S BEING DONE THIS WEEK OR SOMETHING.

AND THEN SOMEBODY WAS SAYING, NOBODY TOLD ME AND THEY JUST SHOWED UP ON MY PROPERTY AND CHANGED OUT THE METERS.

ARE THEY ARE WE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO ALERT THE RESIDENTS? WHAT'S GOING ON? YES, WE ARE.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.

BUT THEY HAVE IT SEEM LIKE THEY GO KNOCK ON THE DOOR OR THEY TELL ME, KNOCK ON THE DOOR.

NOBODY ANSWERED.

AND ONCE THEY CUT THE WATER OFF, I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN THE SHOWER AND THEY TURN IT OFF.

BUT THERE'S BEEN A FEW CASES THAT THEY HAVE NOT WENT AND SO, JASON, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION Y'ALL HAD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, SO WE WENT BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND SAID, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY GOT A KNOCK ON THE DOOR, BUT THEN YOU CAN HANG A DOOR CARD.

IF YOU GET AN ANSWER SO THAT IF NO ONE'S HOME AND YOU HAVE TO LEAVE AND FIVE MINUTES LATER SOMEONE COMES HOME, THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THE WATER'S GOING TO GET TURNED OFF.

I MEAN, WE HAD THE CRAZY IDEA.

WE IT'S JUST CRAZY, GET A LITTLE POSTER MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ALREADY KNOW THEIR SCHEDULE.

THEY KNOW WHAT STREET THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON THE NEXT DAY, THE DAY BEFORE OR FIVE O'CLOCK, GO PUT A LITTLE SIGN ON THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF A STREET AND SAY TO MORROW METER CHANGE OUT GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE HAVE OUR SIGN.

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I KNOW MY WATER GET CUT OFF VERSES LIKE ME.

I WAS I DIDN'T GO TO THE FRONT DOOR, I WENT STRAIGHT TO THE BATHROOM, STARTED TAKING A SHOWER.

NEXT THING YOU KNOW, NO WATER.

I WAS FUZZY UP WITH SOAP AND SHAMPOO AND MY WATER GOT SHUT OFF.

I WENT OUTSIDE.

THEY WERE OUT THERE MESSING WITH THE METER, BUT I HAD NO CLUE.

AND SO ON MY STREET, A SIGN AT THE VERY BEGINNING COMING INTO THE SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SAY TOMORROW WATER METER CHANGE OUT AND THEN WE, THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT WE'RE GO TO THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT.

YOU HAD LITTLE.

COMMUNICATIONS.

EVERY ONCE WHILE WE HAVE A MONTH OR EVERY TWO WEEKS, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM AND THAT GETS BROUGHT UP A LIST, YOU KNOW, DRESSING WITH YOUR REFLECTORS ON HAVING YOUR NAMES ON THE BACK.

PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU STILL REPRESENT THE CITY.

YEAH, IT'S NOT BEING THEY'RE NOT DOING IT CONSISTENTLY, SO THEY NEED TO IMPROVE.

THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

AND SO NOW WE CAN TELL THE RESIDENTS, THEY ASK US, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? GET READY.

BE PREPARED.

SO THERE WAS A SECOND PART TO THIS AND IT WAS THE RELATED UTILITY BILLING.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS ASKING FOR THIS.

AND WE'LL TALK TO CHLOE A LITTLE BIT ON THE RECORD WITH EVERYBODY LISTENING.

SO, CHLOE, KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE FREEZE AND WHAT WHAT'S BEEN DONE, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR WATER BILLING, WHY IT WAS AVERAGED.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT STEPS DO YOU TAKE? WELL, DURING THE FREEZE, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET OUT AND READ THE METERS.

SO WE DID DO AVERAGE BILLING AND THAT WAS THE MARCH BILL.

AND WE DID THAT FOR, WHILE.

WHEN WE DID THAT FOR MARCH, APRIL, WE GOT A TRUE READING.

SO WHEN WE WENT OUT AND GOT THE TRUE READING FOR THAT, WE IF THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY.

OR IF THE CUSTOMER BROUGHT TO US THAT WE HAD A LEAK, THEN WHAT WE DID WAS WE ASKED FOR A RECEIPT FOR THE SUPPLIES THAT THEY HAD TO BUY OR A RECEIPT FROM A PLUMBER THAT HAD TO COME OUT AND DO THE REPAIRS FOR THEM.

AND THEN WE WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK THROUGH JUST PROOF AND THEN WE AVERAGE THEIR SEWER BACK DOWN, TOOK THEIR WATER USAGE, THEIR.

THAT AMOUNT SPLIT WITH THE CUSTOMER OR TOOK IT DOWN TO AVERAGE AND THEN SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE WITH THEM.

THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL OF IT.

SO AND THEN WE IF THAT WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH, WE DID MAKE PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS WITH THEM IF THEY NEEDED SOME HELP WITH THAT.

SO, I MEAN, WE HELP THEM AS BEST AS WE COULD.

IF THEY HAD THE MATERIAL AROUND THEIR HOME, THEN IF WE SAW THE SPIKE IN THEIR USAGE.

WE WE WENT AHEAD AND HELPED THEM THE BEST THAT WE COULD THE SAME WAY.

AND YOU'RE MAKING ALL THOSE DECISIONS, RIGHT? THEY COME TO YOU DIRECTLY.

THEY EVEN IF I WAS NOT HERE, THEY DID GO TO THE GIRLS IN MY OTHER MY DEPARTMENT AND THEY.

TALK WITH ME AND I'LL LET THEM KNOW.

YES, GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

OK, AND WHEN YOU SEE THESE NEW ELECTRONIC BILLINGS COMING THROUGH AND THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS ON THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE NORMAL PROCESS ON THAT? JUST HEY, THIS IS YOUR NEW BILL AND YOUR OLD ONE WAS BAD.

I MEAN, WHAT? I MEAN WOULD BE IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THE USAGE WAS ZERO CONSUMPTION.

YOU KNOW, WE NOW THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE NEW SYSTEM ANALYTICS AND WE'RE ABLE TO PULL THE DAILY, THE HOURLY, WE PULL THOSE AND WE PRINT THOSE OUT AND WE SHOW, WE GIVE THIS TO THE CUSTOMERS AND WE'RE LIKE, THIS IS HOW MANY GALLONS YOU USE THIS DURING THIS TIME.

WE CAN GET THIS TO THE CUSTOMERS.

AT THIS POINT, THEY JUST CAN'T LOG IN AND LOG IN THEMSELVES.

BUT WE CAN DO IT FOR THEM.

RIGHT NOW TO DO.

I THINK THAT'S THEIR FRUSTRATION IS THEY CAN'T SEE.

AND THEY WERE TOLD THESE NEW METERS WOULD BE IN AND THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE.

AND SO SOME OF THEM ARE SAYING, WELL, IF I HAD A LEAK AND I HAVE MY ELECTRONIC METER, WHY DON'T I KNOW ABOUT IT? AND SO THAT'S THEIR FRUSTRATION.

I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IS, HOW MANY METERS DO YOU HAVE CURRENTLY? WE HAVE SIX.

AND YOU HAVE THE CITY SPLIT IN TWO DIFFERENT ZONES.

SO YOU'RE READING TWO DIFFERENT ZONES ONCE A MONTH.

WHEN ALL THE ELECTRONIC METERS COME IN, ARE YOU GOING TO STILL STAY ON THE TWO ZONES OR WILL EVERYTHING BE INSTANT AND? IT'LL STILL STAY IN TWO ZONES.

RIGHT? YES, SIR.

IT WILL STILL STAY AT TWO ZONES.

I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE ANY CUSTOMERS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DO

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HAVE LEAKS, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PAMPHLET INFORMATION THAT KIND OF MAY HELP THEM OUT TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT THEY CAN CHECK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THERE LEAKS OF.

CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE WEBSITE? ACCORDING TO I HAVE TO GO TO THE WEBSITES.

AND GET THIS ACTUALLY FROM THE WEBSITE, FOR IT TO BE LOADED ON OUR WEBSITE, IT CAN'T BE SCANNED IN.

I'M WORKING ON THAT.

AND THEN CAN I KNOW ASK CHRIS ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, BUT CAN WE GO BACK TO THE BILLING WITH THE GRAPH ON IT? ALREADY DONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT'S ALRIGHT, I JUST.

PEOPLE LIKE THAT GRAPH.

SO THE GRAPH IS ON HERE, BUT ALSO THE BARCODE BARCODE WAS IF YOU SCANNED WITH YOUR PHONE, YOU COULD GO INTO YOUR ACCOUNT AND DO THE SAME THING.

YEAH, BUT I DID HAVE THE BARCODE LEFT ON HERE, AND.

I READ THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA EVERY NOW AND THEN.

OK, TRUE CONFESSION.

[LAUGHTER] I NEVER DO.

BUT REALLY, I FEEL SORRY FOR THESE FOLKS WHO THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HOLD HER HAND.

IT'S JUST THEY NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WATER THAT THEY CONSUME OR IT JUST RUNNING OUT ON THEIR YARD.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOUR CAR HAD A LEAK IN THE GAS TANK, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? I JUST LET IT RUN OUT.

IT'S OK.

IT'S NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR STUFF.

DON'T CLAIM THAT IT'S THE CITY'S FAULT.

I'LL DEFINITELY WANT TO.

I'M SORRY.

GET AN ANSWER AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

SO BUT I WOULD SAY THAT SOMETIMES I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE US AS A CITY TO NOT ALWAYS ASSUME IT'S THEIR FAULT, BUT TO WORK WITH THEM AND JUST SHOW THEM BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO.

IT'S JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS WHAT IS BROKEN AND WHAT IS WHAT IS MINE, WHAT'S YOURS.

AND I KNOW IN MY CASE, ONCE I KEPT SAYING I, I DO NOT HAVE A LEAK.

I HAVE IT SHUT OFF AT THE METER.

I HAVE A SHUT OFF OF THE METER.

AND LO AND BEHOLD, IT WAS THE ACTUATOR THAT WAS STILL PUSHING WATER THROUGH THERE, EVEN THOUGH THE EVEN THOUGH I HAD IT OFF AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY KEEP, SOME OF THE PEOPLE KEPT TELLING ME, WELL, IT'S YOUR SIDE, IT'S YOUR SIDE.

AND I KEPT SAYING, NO, IT'S NOT.

I HAVE IT OFF OF THE METER.

JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROFESSIONAL AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND IT.

THAT HAPPENS.

BUT IT'S QUITE RARE.

SINCE IT HAPPENED TO ME.

I GIVE EVERYONE ACCORDING TO THEIR RESEARCH, THEY SAY THAT A RUNNING TOILET CAN RUN UP TO FOUR THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER.

WOW.

FOR LEAKING TOILET.

[INAUDIBLE] THAT DOESN'T USE THAT.

THEY DO SAYS THAT IT RUNS UP TO FOUR THOUSAND GALLONS OR AROUND FOUR THOUSAND GALLONS, IF IT CONTINUES TO RUN.

I GOT ONE OF THOSE IN MY HOUSE, TOO.

AND WE'VE PROVEN YOU THE WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE'VE SEEN WHERE TWENTY EIGHT GALLONS, 30 GALLONS RUN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

IS THERE? CUSTOMERS HAVE ASKED, ARE LIKE WELL NO EVERYONE'S ASLEEP.

SOMETHING'S RUNNING.

IS THERE ANY WAY I KNOW I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOUR JOB MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT ALREADY IS.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WHEN WE YOU GET THESE CALLS OF PERHAPS A LEAKING SITUATION WHERE WE TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT'S ON THE CUSTOMER'S SIDE, THAT IF WE COULDN'T DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT JEFF LIKE JEFF HAS JUST SHOWN US, EVEN IF IT'S JUST WELL GO TO OUR CITY WEBSITE.

LOOK AT THIS LINK.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DIAGRAM.

AND HE'S JUST BASICALLY HOLDING ON TWO PIECES AND JUST PART.

AND THEN AND THEN I GO, OH, OK.

MAYBE THERE'S THEIR EPIPHANY MOMENT AND IT CAN BE EDUCATIONAL, TOO.

AND THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME SUCH AN ARGUMENTATIVE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY ON YOUTUBE THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY LINK.

I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, YEAH, MAYBE YOU COULD, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO YOUR RIGHT.

THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN THE SYSTEM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A PATHWAY.

BUT THAT WAY MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP YOU FROM PEOPLE CALLING YOU BACK AND SAYING, [INAUDIBLE] WHATEVER.

AND YOU'RE LIKE, IF YOU JUST ON THE FIRST CALL, IF WE COULD SAY [INAUDIBLE] WELL, GO TO YOUTUBE, GOOGLE CITY WATERMAIN LEAK OR WHATEVER.

THIS ONE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN OR GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND YOU'LL SEE THIS VIDEO AND IT

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WILL KIND OF WALK YOU TALK YOU TO IT.

AND THEN MAYBE THAT ACTUALLY HELPS US IN THE LONG RUN, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT DEAL WITH ONE TIME, BUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM FIVE TIMES COMING BACK TO YOU AND KEEP PLAYING IT AND YOU'D BE LIKE, OK, WE'VE SHOWN YOU WHAT WE THINK THE PROBLEM IS NOW.

IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GET A PLUMBER AND GET IT FIXED.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET IT TO AN ANSWER.

WE GOT GLENN, THE VOICE OF ANGLETON.THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

BRAZORIA COUNTY UPDATE [INAUDIBLE].

LIKE I GOT A CUSTOMER LAST WEEK, HAD A HIGH READING AND WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT HIS METER.

IT'S BEEN AN ELECTRONIC METER, [INAUDIBLE] AND HE QUIT AND HE STILL BLAMED IT ON ME.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE AMI METERS? THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR STICKING IT OUT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

THANK Y'ALL FOR ARRANGING THIS AND, YOU KNOW, BEING HERE.

AND THANKS FOR THE BANANA PUDDING CHLOE.

ITEM NUMBER 17, DISCUSSION ON THE CITY'S HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS.

[17. Discussion on the City’s hurricane preparedness.]

WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR AUDIENCE? THIS WEEKEND IS MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, THE OFFICIAL START OF SUMMER, FOLLOWED BY TUESDAY, JUNE 1ST, WHICH IS THE OFFICIAL START OF HURRICANE SEASON.

EVEN THOUGH THERE'S BEEN SOME STORMS AND SOME PRESSURE SYSTEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING FOR THE LAST WEEK OR SO, HURRICANE SEASON STARTED AND WE'VE TAKE SOME STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PREPARED.

LESSONS WE'VE LEARNED FROM LAST HURRICANE SEASON WITH THE CLOSE CALL WE HAD FROM HURRICANE LAURA AND THE FREEZE, WHICH CAUSED A LOT OF ISSUES SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD EXPERIENCE HAD WE GOTTEN AFFECTED BY A HURRICANE.

WE WERE STORING [INAUDIBLE] PALLETS OF WATER FOR CITY STAFF CONSUMPTION.

SHOULD WE ALL BE SEQUESTERED HERE FOR FOR HURRICANE STRIKE AND ALSO TO SUPPLEMENT OUR RESIDENTS UNTIL THE STATE CAN CATCH UP.

WE'VE ALSO GOT IN ENROUTE SOME MRES FOR STAFF AND FOLKS.

WE REVISED OUR DISASTER ORGANIZATION CHART, WHICH WE CONSTANTLY ARE DOING AS PEOPLE CHANGE AND DIFFERENT THINGS GO INTO DIFFERENT DIFFERENT SPOTS.

PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.

SOME PEOPLE THAT WE WERE COUNTING ON MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAY FOR THIS ONE.

THEY MAY HAVE TO EVACUATE FOR ANOTHER ONE.

I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR 211 LIST.

I'VE REACHED OUT AND TALK TO THEM, MAKE SURE TO VERIFY THEIR NUMBER.

AND WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY HANDED OFF TO OUR STAFF AT THE COURTS, AT OUR COURTS OFFICE.

WHEN A STORM COMES AND WE NEED TO START CALLING DOWN THESE FOLKS, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR STAFF WHO'S USED TO WORKING THE PHONES AND THEY'RE GOING TO CALL ALL THESE FOLKS AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON, WHAT OUR PLAN IS, HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM OUT AND AND WE'LL COORDINATE MAKING SURE WE GET THE MESSAGE TO THEM AND WE GET THEM OUT SAFELY.

I'VE CONTACTED OUR DEBRIS HAULING CONTRACTOR, WHICH FOR THIS YEAR, IT'LL BE ONE MORE YEAR WITH CROWDER [INAUDIBLE] BEFORE WE'LL HAVE TO GO REBID THAT.

AND WITH OUR DEBRIS MONITORING CONTRACTOR, TETRA TECH, WHICH I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE MORE YEAR AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE OPTION ON SOME MORE RENEWALS WITH THEM.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

WE'LL BE HAVING A HURRICANE TABLETOP EXERCISE THURSDAY, THURSDAY MORNING AT NINE THIRTY RIGHT HERE IN CITY HALL.

WE WILL HAVE PARTICIPATION FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

THEY'VE SET UP SOME REALLY NICE SCENARIO, SCENARIO, SCENARIO.

IT'S LATE AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH OUR HOSPITALS, OUR NURSING HOMES.

AND IF WE'RE LUCKY, CHRIS WALTHALL FROM [INAUDIBLE] NEW MEXICO.

SO WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD GROUP TO RUN THROUGH THIS SO RUN THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICK.

WE'RE PLANNING A PREPAREDNESS TOWN HALL FLOATING IN THE DATE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE, I'M HOPING THE 15TH OF JUNE.

I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY FOLKS FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

THEY'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, WHETHER WE DO IT TRADITIONALLY IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY WITH ZOOM, SOME OTHER MEETINGS.

ALSO, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, [INAUDIBLE] WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED.

SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THE RED CROSS AND TRAINING OUR LOCAL CHURCHES AND CIVIC GROUPS SO THEY CAN RUN SHELTERS HERE SO THAT IF WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THAT, WE CAN RUN SHELTERS A LITTLE SLOWER GOING THAN WE FIGURE, BECAUSE JUST RECENTLY THE RED CROSS HAS BEEN ALLOWING THEIR PEOPLE TO GO BACK OUT BECAUSE OF COVID RESTRICTIONS.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO START TURNING ON THEIR TRAINING AND THEY'RE INSPECTING AND LOOKING AT STUFF.

SPEAKING OF SHELTERS, WE'RE SETTING UP AN AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCH AND A QUICK HOOK UP QUICK CONNECT FOR OUR REC CENTER SO THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY USE THAT FOR A SHELTER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED.

CITY GENERATORS WERE LOW TESTED WHAT, LAST MARCH? OR THIS MARCH, SO JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

SO THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.

OF COURSE, WE TEST THEM AND AND WE'LL LOAD THEM AS THE AS THE SITUATION DICTATES.

WE'RE PUTTING ADS IN THE IN THE FACTS AND THE BULLETIN ADVERTISING OUR NUMBERS AND

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HOW TO GET SIGNED UP ON CODE RED SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL KNOW HOW TO TO GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.

I THINK THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN INSIDE ANGLETON THAT I GOT AT MY HOUSE TODAY SHOWING FOLKS HOW TO SIGN UP FOR CODE RED WITH A STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTION AND THE IMPORTANCE OF STAYING UP.

AND I'VE MADE YOUR COPIES OF OUR HURRICANE CHECKLIST.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN THE PAST.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE HANDY.

OF COURSE, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN CHECKLIST.

THIS WILL BE A CONSOLIDATED ONE THAT WE'LL KEEP IN THE EOC SO THAT WE CAN SEE STEP BY STEP.

IT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.

IF WE CATCH SOME STUFF AT THE EXERCISE ON THURSDAY THAT WE WANT TO ADD, WE CAN ADD STUFF AND WE CAN KEEP IT GOING.

SO OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

YES, THE YOU'RE HANDING THEM YOU'RE HANDING THEM TO US, BUT.

HOW DO WE GET THIS IN THE HANDS OF ANGLETON RESIDENTS? SO WE'VE DONE ALL THE STEPS WE NEED TO OK, THIS IS FOR OUR, MAKE SURE THE CITY'S OK,.

EVERY MONTH WE PUT OUT SOCIAL MEDIA MESSAGES AND CODE RED MESSAGES ABOUT HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS.

SO WE TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUAL AND HOUSE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

PLUS, THERE'LL BE ONE IN THE HURRICANE BROCHURE, THE EMERGENCY BROCHURE THAT THE COUNTY WORKS WITH US TO PUT OUT.

WE SHOULD BE SEEING THAT COMING OUT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

AND THAT HITS EVERY RESIDENT.

WE PAY FOR THAT TO GO TO EVERY RESIDENT.

IT'S GOT A CHECKLIST FOR EVACUATION TO GO CATCH THINGS YOU WANT TO KEEP WITH YOU, STUFF YOU CAN DO AT YOUR HOME, THE CHOICE BETWEEN EVACUATING OR HUNKERING DOWN, JUST ALL THE DIFFERENT STUFF THAT SO THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE THAT IN THEIR HANDS AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AT A TOWN HALL AND ANY OTHER TIME.

I'VE ALREADY BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK AT CIVIC GROUPS AND TO OUR SENIORS AT THE REC CENTER IN JUNE.

JUST I THINK THIS IS KIND OF HURRICANE IN THE GULF OR WHAT'S H120? OH, IT'S H HOUR, MINUS 120 MINUTES.

SO 120 HOURS FROM THE HURRICANE BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

IT'S WHAT THE STATE THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT THE STATE AND THE COUNTY ALL USE TO KEEP TRACK OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AS THE HURRICANE APPROACHES.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO THROW OUT HERE, THIS IS PROBABLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT, BUT THE DITCHES OUR DITCHES .

I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THERE.

WE WILL PUT THAT IN THERE WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST YEAR.

BUT I KNOW BECAUSE THIS TIME OF YEAR, FIRST ONE, GET WATER IN THEM BECAUSE OF OUR RAINS RIGHT AND OUR SUN AND HEAT BOY THE GRASS WILL REALLY GROW THIS TIME OF YEAR.

SO YOU HAVE TO REALLY STAY ON TOP OF THEM.

THE BIG ONES THAT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT CLOGGING UP DEBRIS AND ALL THAT [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE IT WILL CATCH.

IF YOU LOOK ON EACH.

OK, IT'S THE THIRD FROM THE LAST ON THE FIRST SECTION H MINUS 120 IS SURVEY REMOVE DEBRIS FROM DRAINAGE DITCHES.

[INAUDIBLE] DEBRIS, BUT KEEPING THEM MOWED TOO, YOU JUST DON'T WANT THEM GETTING LONG, THAT'S ALL.

GOT IT.

LIKE TENTACLES AND THEY GRAB ON TO THINGS.

GOTCHA.

SOMETHING WE COULD ADD TO THE CHECKLIST, THAT'S ALL.

AND JUST KEEPING THE DITCHES MOWED OR GETTING THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE, LIKE YOU SAID.

I'M LIKE, WOW, YEAH, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO RAIN ON THURSDAY, SO WE GOT THAT GOING.

IT DIDN'T RAIN MUCH.