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ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
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GO AHEAD AND SHOW US BACK AT THE TABLE AT EIGHT 42.UH, WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE, UM, JUST A WHOLE LOT TO DISCUSS AND CHEW ON.
AND SO, UH, WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE TONIGHT, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT NIGHTS AND, UM, WE'RE TO GIVE EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
UM, AND WE CAN INTERACT WITH COUNCIL.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND, UH, WE'LL GO FORWARD FROM THERE.
UH, TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF, UM, ON WHERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, OUR AGENDA WAS FOR DELIBERATE AND, AND JUST TO DISCUSS, AND THEN WE'LL GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS, SO WE CAN ALL HOPEFULLY BE SINGING OFF THE SAME PAGE.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO IN ALPHABET, UH, IN ORDER OF IT'S IN OUR PACKET, BUT ORDER BY DEVELOPMENT FIRST ONE'S GRAY STONE.
MR. GREG, COME ON UP, MR. RICH, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL
RED JAPLIN GREYSTONE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, HERE'S WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT ANGLETON.
YOU GUYS ARE REALLY IN GOOD POSITION, UH, UNUSUAL FOR Y'ALL AND ME, UH, BEING A PART OF ANGLETON TO HAVE THIS MUCH, YOU KNOW, GROWTH ALL OF A SUDDEN, I MEAN, Y'ALL GOT LIKE SIX DEVELOPERS GOING, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.
AND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, I WASN'T GOING TO GET INTO ALL THIS, BUT I GUESS I AM, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A CHANGE OF BIG STAFF FROM CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? A BUNCH OF CHANGES, SO A LOT'S GOING ON.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET HERE TONIGHT.
THEY'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME AND ALL THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK IF, IF, IF Y'ALL TAKE IT PIECE BY PIECE, IT'S, IT'S FINE.
WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS A, IS A PARK ISSUE.
UM, IS THAT, IS THAT ROBIN'S ONLY THING THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING NOW.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND MY DEAL ON THE PARK IS, UH, AND YOU, YOU, I TALKED TO THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON TODAY ON THEIR PART AND THEIR, THEIR PARK REQUIREMENTS ARE ON PAPER.
THE SAME AS YOURS, YOU KNOW, PARK FEE TO GOES INTO A PARK POOL AND AS USUAL REPORT, WHICH IS EVERY CITY.
AND IN MY CASE, WE HAVE A, UH, A DEVELOPMENT OF 111 LOTS, AND NEXT TO IT IS REMINGTON STREET, WHICH IS MAYBE 80, MAYBE A HUNDRED THAT COULD BE USED BY OUR POCKET PARK.
AND THEN WE SPEND THE 65,000 OR 64,000 THAT WERE REQUIRED IN FEES.
WE PUT IT IN OUR PARK AND THEN WE'VE GOT AN HOA AND WE MAINTAIN THE PARK FOREVER.
SO THERE'S NO CITY OF ANGLETON IS LIKE VERY GOOD IN THAT AREA, GOT A POCKET PARK.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE GIVE THE PARK FEE TO THE CITY AND Y'ALL GO DO THE PARK RENOVATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE, FINE, BUT THEN THIS PART DOESN'T GET BUILT UNTIL THEY CHOSE, THEY CAN AFFORD TO DO IT AND THEN PUT THE PARKING.
BUT I MEAN, THE, MY POINT IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAVE AN AREA LIKE THIS, THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE ROSEMARY, LIKE JACKSON, WHERE THERE WASN'T A PARK CLOSE.
SO WE CREATED A POCKET PARK AND IT WAS MAINTAINED ORIGINALLY BY THE HOA.
NOW IT'S ABOUT THE CITY, BUT THIS WOULDN'T BE, SO YOU'RE GETTING A POCKET PARK NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
THAT'S GOING TO SERVE MORE THAN JUST RACE DOWN, BUT RACE DOWN TO THE BOARD DO THAT'S 111 HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN, IN ANGUISH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND FOR THEM TO HAVE A WALKING DISTANCE PARK WILL BE FINE.
I THINK ROBIN WOULD, WOULD THE OTHER STREETS, IT WOULD, COULD SIDEWALK WALK TO THIS OR WHAT, RIGHT.
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MEGAN, YOUR STANDPOINT, MAYBE IT'S A VARIANCE IN THE CURRENT PARK, UH, RULE.NOW, DID YOU, DID YOU LOOK UP SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THERE WAS, WE WERE WITHIN CLOSE TO THE ACREAGE AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR A PARK? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE CLOSE TO EVEN MEETING OVERALL.
I HAD EMAIL LINDSAY, A PARK, A PARK PLAN FOR GRAYSTONE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF MEGAN RECEIVED IT OR NOT, BUT IT WOULD MEET PRETTY CLOSE TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UM, 3.3 PERSON, HALF, 400, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY DOES REQUIRE.
SO, UM, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DETENTION AREA.
THAT WOULD JUST BE THE LAND
SO WHEN YOU THAT'S, THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THAT OVERALL REFORM, IT'S SO WEIRD.
SO, WELL THEN IF THAT'S OKAY, UH, NOW MEGAN'S GOT TO DO MATH.
SO I MAY, I MAY, I MAY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IS 1.8315 ACRES.
UH, YOU HAVE 1.7, UH, CURRENTLY OUTLINED HERE, EXCLUDING THE PARK POND AREA.
JOHN, YOUR QUESTION WAS WASN'T THE MINIMUM FIVE THAT'S FOR THE NEW PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO I'M WITHIN 0.85 NOW, SO WE CAN, I'M SURE WE CAN.
SO MR. APLIN JUST, JUST, JUST TO KIND OF CONSOLIDATE THE QUESTION.
SO THE QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE, IS SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE ON THE PARKLAND FEE, UM, UH, AMOUNT IS THAT BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE, VERSUS WHAT WE ARE, OUR REGULATION SAYS, YOU'RE WANTING TO HAVE HELP ME OUT GUYS.
UH, I CAN, I CAN GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS STAY WITHIN YOUR REGS, WHATEVER IT SAYS, I OWE, WHICH IS FIVE 75 PER LOT.
I THINK 64,000, A LITTLE LESS, THAT I SPEND THAT MONEY AND SHOW YOU, I SPEND THAT MONEY, BUT I SPEND IT ON GRAVESTONES PARK.
SO I SPEND THE MONEY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT BENEFITS GRAVESTONE AND TRUTHFULLY REMINGTON AND NO STREETS.
AND MAYBE EVEN YOU CAN SAY DOWN THE WAY, UH, AND THEN ALSO THE CITY OF HAMPTON NEVER MAINTAINED IT.
I MAINTAINED BECAUSE I RAN AN HOA IN PLACE.
SO AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPER COMING IN AND ANGLETON AND DOING A SMALL DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, UH, THIS MAKES SENSE.
DO YOUR, YOUR PARKS GUYS SHOULD LOVE IT.
I MEAN, THEY DON'T, THEY NOW THEY DON'T GET THE 64,000 TO GO DO THE BIG PARK AND THE BIG PARKS NEEDED WHAT OUR CLOSEST PARK IS.
SO THAT'S MILE AND A HALF AWAY, GREG STONE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WALK FREE TO FREEDOM PARK, NEITHER THE RE-IMAGE AND PEOPLE DON'T GO THERE A BIT, REALLY GO THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY CREATING A PUBLIC PARK.
USABLE, USABLE FOR ALL CITIZENS IN THE CITY AND YOUR HOA MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH THAT MINE.
AND YOU COULD BUILD TO THE REGULATIONS THAT WE DEFINE ON THE PARKS, BECAUSE IT'D BE CHEAPER FOR YOU TO PAY THE PAY.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT MEN THEN MAYBE I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I WANT MY PLAN WITH MY TRAIL AND MY EQUIPMENT, WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO BE TO FIT TRUTHFULLY.
IT IS FOR GRAYSTONE, BUT IT EXPANDS OUT MORE THAN THAT.
AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN 64,000.
BUT SPEND THAT THAT'S JUST, BUT THAT'S NO REGULATIONS.
IF LIKE, IF YOU TELL ME THAT I'VE GOT TO SPEND, WHEN YOU SAID IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE SENSE, HOW DOES THAT
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MAKE SENSE FOR ME? RIGHT.SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PARK STANDARDS AND WHAT WE WOULD PUT INTO AN AGREEMENT, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE TRAIL, THE MATERIAL OF THE TRAIL, THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN, UM, IT, IT WOULD BE MORE ECONOMICAL FOR YOU TO PAY THE FEE.
AND WE LOVE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT COUNCIL'S MOST FAMILIAR WITH IS WHEN WE BUDGETED FOR A PLAYGROUND THIS YEAR PLAYGROUND, FALL MATERIAL BORDERING, JUST THOSE ITEMS WAS $150,000.
HE'S GOT IT WHERE I CAN'T DO WHAT MAKES SENSE.
I'M BUILDING A PARK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
SO, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO THOSE STANDARDS BECAUSE THOSE DANGERS DON'T MAKE SENSE, BUT I'M HAVING A JOGGING TRAIL AND A WALKING TRAIL AND, AND PICNIC TABLES.
AND, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GET THE NUMBER OF SO MUCH, BUT THAT YES.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME THAT IF I HAVE THIS PLAYER, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN $750,000 WORTH OF JUNGLE GYMS, THEN I WOULD SAY NO, UNDER THAT GOVERNMENT RULE TO DENMARK, WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY THOSE COSTS GET DRIVEN UP.
I LAKE, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC PARK.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC PARK ROBIN.
WE KNOW IN LAKE JACKSON, DID THEY CALL THEM PUBLIC PARKS? I GUESS THEY DID.
I MEAN, IT DOES MATTER IF IT'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC PARK OR A PRIVATE PARK.
OBVIOUSLY WE WERE ON THE HOOK EVENTUALLY WHEN, EVENTUALLY AFTER YOU'RE DONE BEEN DONE, DEVELOPING IT, YOU'VE MOVED ON ALL THEIR HOMES, BUILT OUT.
SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PARK.
THE PARK IN ANGLETON, THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF BY HOA RANCHO IN THE HOUSE.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS THAT OKAY? THEY PAY THEIR HOA FEES TO IT.
BUT AT ONE POINT THEY, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE COUNTY, THE CITY TO TAKE IT OVER BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE IN DIRE STRAITS AT SOME POINT.
BUT I THINK THEY CAME, I GOT, I GUESS, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY HAVE, THE IN HELPED THEM OUT.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS FOR MATH.
THIS IS NOT SOLVING EVERYBODY, BUT FOR MY DEAL, THE ONLY THING I'VE GOT IS A PARK ISSUE.
SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ACCEPTING GREG STONE CONTINGENT ON US, WORKING OUT PARK ISSUE, IF I'VE GOT TO PAY THE 64,000 AND I DON'T DO ANYTHING TO THIS, I JUST LEAVE IT AT GRASS.
THAT'S GOING TO WHAT, I'M, WHAT I WORRY MORE ABOUT.
ARE THESE PEOPLE MORE ATTRACTED BY HOME? SO I'M VALUED UP, NOT SO, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, I'M JUST SIX, FOUR AND BE DONE.
SO CAN WE LEAVE IT TONIGHT THAT WE'RE PROGRESSING ON? DO WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE APPROVED? OKAY.
FOR ME, WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU, YOU CAN'T BUILD APART.
I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS, IF YOU THINK IT'S FOR, TO HELP YOU BEST TO BETTER SELL YOUR HOMES, THAT'S BETTER FOR YOU.
BUT WE DO HAVE THESE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF LONG-TERM AND NOT SADDLE THE CITY WITH UNSAFE EQUIPMENT EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S GONNA BREAK DOWN QUICKLY, STUFF LIKE THAT.
CAUSE I'VE, I'VE LIVED IN COMMUNITY TO HAVE TO REPLACE THESE THINGS UP.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST A ONE-TIME FEE AND IT GOES AWAY FOREVER.
WELL, AS LONG AS WE'RE HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE TO DISCUSS BOTH THOSE ISSUES, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'LL PUT IN EQUIPMENT THAT MAY NOT BE APPROVED BY WASHINGTON, BUT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING MAINTAINED DAY ONE BY THE HOA.
AND I HAVE TO SAY SO, BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN GUYS, IF Y'ALL DON'T WANT THAT, THAT'S THE SMARTEST THING FOR ME IS TO PAY THE MONEY.
AND, AND, AND LEAVE THIS GRASS AND JUST, THEY CHOSE YOU GOING TO VOTE BECAUSE I NEED A NATURE WAY FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ENTRANCE.
WE GOT AN ENTRANCE OFF VALDEZ, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NICE ENTRANCE AND LIGHTING.
AND JUST LIKE WE INTEREST IS THAT YOU'VE SEEN US LIKE NORTHWOOD AND RENT A BOARD.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING NICE AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE ATG TO PAY FOR IT, WHICH WILL BE AN HRA.
AND WE WOULD PAY FOR THE PARK IF YOU ALL WANT IT.
BUT IF YOU DON'T THEN WE'LL PAY FOR, OKAY.
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OKAY.SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT GUYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, MR. APLIN TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, IF HIS PARK THAT HE WANTS TO PUT IN IS GOING TO MEET A STANDARD OR DOES HE JUST CONSIDER CONTINUE ON WITH PAY THE FEE, LEAVE AS AN OPEN LAND GREEN SPACE KIND OF AREA.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WILL BE THE RIGHT KIND OF DIRECTION RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP PROCESS.
WOULD THAT BE FIVE MR. ATLANTA? TWO WEEKS AT 30 DAYS? YEAH.
YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SPECIFICATIONS YOU'RE PROPOSING SO THAT WE CAN TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MEETING A MINIMUM STANDARD.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT A PIECE OF PAPER, WHEN WE SEE A TRAIL DETENTION, UH, LIMITED ACREAGE AROUND THAT, DOESN'T TELL US THE WHOLE STORY.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL PICTURE.
HOW ARE YOU? DIFFERENT MEADOWS?
AND SO ONCE HE GETS THAT, UM, WE'VE SUBMITTED FOR HIS DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND HE'S READY FOR CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, IF Y'ALL THINK Y'ALL COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR FORMAL, WOULD WE APPROVE THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT AS IT COMES TO US? WOULDN'T IT DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
YOU'VE JUST COME TO US AND THAT'S KIND OF THERE, RIGHT?
UH, NEXT ONE, HERITAGE OAK SECTION SEVEN.
UM, MY SCENARIO IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING, UH, BACK IN SECTION TWO OF HERITAGE JOKES.
UM, DAVID LAWSON WAS THE, UH, CITY ENGINEER AT THE TIME AND HE AND THE COUNCIL, UH, REQUESTED THAT, UH, WE DEDICATE PARKLAND FOR THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION AT THAT POINT.
UH, AND I WAS PARKS DIRECTOR AT PARK CHAIRMAN AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
AND, UH, AND I THINK MEGAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT SCENARIO WITH SOME NEW DEVELOPMENTS, BUT SO WE WENT AHEAD AND DEDICATED THAT LOAD PLAN.
THAT'S A COPY OF THE SECTION TWO AND WE DEDICATED 7.853 ACRES, UH, PARKLAND, UH, DURING THAT, UH, INITIAL DEDICATION.
AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE OVERNIGHT, RIGHT AT NINE ACRES OF ACTUAL ACREAGE SET ASIDE FOR PARKS AND
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ANOTHER 20 ACRES OF BLAKE'S NOT DETENTION, BUT TRUE LAKES.SO ROUGHLY 30 ACRES OF RECREATIONAL, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN SUBDIVISION, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT.
UH, DURING THAT SECTION TO MEETING, LET'S EVEN SAY THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PARK RESERVE ON SECTION TWO, AND THEY APPROVED THAT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUBDIVISION.
AND RIGHT NOW, EVEN WITH SECTION SEVEN, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKLAND FOR HERITAGE OAKS IS 3.6 HUNDRED ACRES.
AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE, LIKE I SAID, APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES.
SO WE EXCEED THE PARKLAND, UH, TWO AND A HALF, ALMOST THREE TIMES THE NECESSARY ANCHORAGE FOR PARKS.
UH, BUT EVERY SUBSEQUENT SECTION, SECTION THREE, SECTION FOUR, SECTION FIVE SECTIONS, A SIX COUNT THE COUNCIL'S YOU'D MAN.
YOU CAN ADD THEM, SEE APPROVED OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE BACK THEN.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE, UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING NEED TO MEET IT AGAIN.
I MEAN, WE WE'VE BEEN MEETING WHAT WAS REQUIRED, WHAT WAS ASKED OF US BACK THEN, AND, AND WHEN IT SEEMS TO, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE CONTINUE TO MEET THE GUIDELINES.
SO I KNOW MEGAN HAD SENT ME A REQUEST SAYING THE SAME THING THAT WE DO MEET AND EXCEED THE ACREAGE REQUIRED.
BUT HER COMMENT WAS THAT OUR PROXIMITY TO THE FUTURE LAKESIDE PARK, UH, WAS AN ISSUE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED AN UNDERSERVED AREA AGAIN, BUT, UH, UH, THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY PREDATES LAKESIDE PARK.
UH, SO I, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD COME INTO IMPACT WITH THIS, UH, AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH THE CITY DURING THAT, UH, INITIAL DEDICATION.
SO LOOKING AT YOUR LETTER AND THE VERY FIRST THING IT SAYS, THE REDUCTION OF CAFFEINE, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT OR REDUCTION? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR LETTER.
IT SAYS MR. WHITAKER, THIS IS FROM MIGUEL.
SO SIDA FROM BAKER AND WALSON.
THIS, I JUST PROVIDED TO REQUEST A REDUCTION OF CAFES FOR HER TO JOKE SECTION SEVEN.
AND IT'S BASED ON THE FOLLOWING REASONS IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAP FEES.
THAT'S WHAT IT HAS IN YOUR LETTER.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC TOO.
I WAS JUST, OKAY, SO I'M KIND OF CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKLAND.
DO YOU PLAN ON, I'D SAY, BUT THE PARKLAND, AS FAR AS THE PARKLAND DEDICATION, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WERE, UH, INSTRUCTED TO CONTRIBUTE, UH, ALL THE PARKLAND, UM, FRONT.
AND ONE OF THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BIGGEST SUBDIVISION IN ANGLETON, UH, 200 ACRES.
WE HAVE, UH, THE, THEY KNEW IT WAS GOING TO TAKE YEARS AND MANY SECTIONS TO DEVELOP IT AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PIECEMEAL THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, I COULD GO AND PUT AN ACRE HERE, PUT AN ACRE HERE.
UH, BUT THE DECISION BY A CITY ENGINEER AND THE CITY STAFF WAS, THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT ALL NOW.
AND THE OTHER OPTION IS, IS SOME DEVELOPMENTS DON'T COMPLETE IT.
SOMEBODY MAY DO ONE OR TWO SECTIONS AND THEY ONLY DONATED OR DEDICATE A LITTLE BIT OF LAND AT THAT TIME.
THEN FROM THE, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE, UH, PARKLAND THAT WAS MEANT TO BE THERE.
SO THEY'RE SLIDED SOMEWHAT IN A RECREATION SIDE.
SO THEY SUGGESTED THEN THAT DO IT ALL NOW.
AND WE HAD TO, WE HAD THE PROPERTY, WE HAD A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT.
UH, THAT'S WHY YOU SAW THIS 7.85 ACRES ON A ONE PIECE AND THERE WAS ANOTHER TRACK TO THE LEFT OF IT.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENT SECTION, UH, WE HAVE LAKES AND WE DONATE, UH, SET ASIDE LAND HOA, OWNS S AND, AND TAKES CARE OF IT ALL.
IS THIS PART USABLE? WHAT'S THAT? IS THIS PARKLAND USABLE? WELL, IT IS.
WE HAD 159 PEOPLE HAVING A, UH, EASTER EGG HUNT, UH, HAY RIDES, OTHER, WE HAVE NUMEROUS ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARKLAND ORDINANCE, UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS, UH, UH, IS ALLOWED AND ACTUALLY PREFERRED BOTH BY HERE IN MANY OTHER CITIES IS A HABITAT PRESERVATION.
AND WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, DOZENS OF OAK TREES, SOME OF THEM, UH, 90 INCHES WIDE DIAMETER, SUMMER 85 INCHES WIDE.
SO OURS WAS PRESERVATION MORE THAN PLAYGROUNDS.
BASKETBALL GOES, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ACCEPTED BY, UH, MOST PARKS NOWADAYS IS THE PRESERVATION OF HABITAT.
AND THAT'S MAINLY WHAT WE DID.
THE ONLY OTHER THING WE HAVE IS ALL THE LAKES.
UH, WE HAVE PARK BENCHES, PICNIC TABLES, THAT KIND OF THINGS.
BUT AS FAR AS PLAYGROUNDS, UM, WE DIDN'T GO THAT ROUTE, BUT IT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE LDC AS, AS, UH, SOMETHING
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THAT MET THE QUALIFICATIONS.YOU AGREED UPON THIS WITH THE CITY IN THE PAST.
WHEN OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T SITTING HERE PROBABLY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO HERE.
UM, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SAT IN THESE SEATS RIGHT HERE AGREED THAT YOU COULD DEDICATE THIS PARKLAND INTO THE FUTURE, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ACTUALLY BE.
WELL, WE HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND HAROLD SMITH AND DAVID LAWSON, CECIL NOSES PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER HERE, BUT, UH, THEY CALCULATE, WE HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE, 100 BY 150 FOOT, UH, YOU KNOW, 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOTHING CAN BE SMALLER THAN INHERITED JOKES.
I CALCULATED, UH, WHAT OUR DETENTION, WHAT OUR STREETS TO USE AND WHAT LOTS COULD BE A NEW, HOW MUCH OR HOW MANY ACRES WE NEEDED.
AND SO WE ADDED MORE, UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT TRACK FIT WHERE IT WAS.
SO IT'S A LARGER TRACK, BUT THEY, UH, IT WAS PRETTY SIMPLE FOR THEM TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH ACRES WOULD NEED THROUGH THE AFTER IF THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CALCULATE IT AT THE TIME, YOU KNEW HOW MANY, LOTS YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD YES.
WELL, WE KNEW, WE KNEW THE SIDES OF THE LOTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG LIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN I DIDN'T CALCULATE IT.
THE ENGINEER CITY ENGINEER DID AND BAKER LARSON, BUT THEY CALCULATED HOW MUCH, UH, WE NEEDED AND WE INCREASED IT.
AND, AND TO THIS DAY, WE'RE STILL TWO AND A HALF TIMES WHAT'S NEEDED.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE, WE PUT MORE THAN WHAT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE IF BY CURRENT STANDARDS WE NEED THREE POINTS, SIX, ONE ACRES, BUT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY NINE.
NOW, CHRIS, WHEN YOU, UM, DEDICATED THIS PARKLAND AND SECTION TWO, WAS THERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, LIKE COPY OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING THAT, WHERE THE CITY SAID YOU HAD TO DO ALL YOUR PARKLAND UPFRONT? THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN PLACE? I THINK IT WAS A 2001 ORDINANCE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT I BELIEVE IS NOW MIGUEL MAY REMEMBER, BUT THAT'S, THAT IS THE ORDINANCE OR, OR MEGAN MAY, BUT THAT WAS IN PLACE AT THE TIME.
AND I THINK IT'S THE ONE THAT IS BEING REPLACED BY THE NEW HEALTHY SEAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SUPPORTS THAT I DON'T KNOW.
CAUSE IF YOU HAD THAT, IT MAKE THIS CASE A WHOLE LOT EASIER.
WELL, IT WOULD, I, I, I, UH, I FOUND THIS AND I BROUGHT THE S AND, AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD IT DEDICATED FOR THAT PURPOSE, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE, BUT I CAN GET A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I MEAN, IT'S YOU HAVE IT? I GET IT.
WHEN DID YOU DO SECTION TWO? I'M SORRY, WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? 2000 SECTION TWO, I THINK WAS 2002.
SO 2002 IS WHEN YOU DEDICATED THIS PARKLAND.
WHENEVER THAT DATE WAS, I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP, BUT WE DEDICATED WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE PLAT, UH, FOR THAT SECTION, WE DEDICATED THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS.
CAUSE WE, WE HAD TO START DOING DEDICATION, DEDICATED PARKLAND, AND THEN I WAS GOING TO SAY, OKAY, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS.
SO WHEN DID THE CITY OF ANGLETON START RECOGNIZING DEDICATING A PARKLAND IN, IN THE FIRST SECTION? UM, IT WASN'T, UH, IT WASN'T REQUIRED.
AND THERE'S, UH, PRIOR TO THAT, UH, SUBDIVISION, I DID, UH, WE WERE INVOLVED IN BACK IN ALEXANDRA COURT BACK IN THE EIGHTIES.
I WOULDN'T EVEN SUCH A THING AS A PARKLAND DEDICATION.
SO IT BECAME REQUIRED, UH, REQUIRED DURING SECTION TWO.
SO SOMEWHERE AROUND 2002, I BELIEVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THIS WAS ADOPTED IN 2001 AND POLICY.
THEN THE POINT IS THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD THIS, THIS PARKLAND DEDICATION ON THE BOOKS FOR AT LEAST SOME TIME, ALMOST 20 YEARS, YOUR EXIT, I'M SORRY, MY HEARING.
SO, SO BASICALLY THE CITY'S HAD THIS PARKLAND DEDICATION ON THE BOOKS FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS.
I PROBABLY HAD THE DOCUMENTS FAIRLY CERTAIN, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING TO GET PARKLAND UPFRONT VERSUS PIECEMEAL, BUT I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY SUBJECT, UH, SUBDIVISIONS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO.
SO NONE OF THE OTHER ONES AFTER IT, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO A PARKLAND DEDICATION AS WE WERE THERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WERE, UH, MAYBE WE WERE THE FIRST SUBDIVISION THAT MET THAT HAD TO DEAL WITH PARKWAY LITIGATION.
WEREN'T YOU? THE ONLY GUY DEVELOPING IN ANGLETON PRETTY MUCH.
SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DEDICATE IN THOSE CASES, BUT NO.
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AND IT WAS, IT WAS ODD THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW IT IS MANAGEMENT CHANGES THINGS, WHATEVER THE CITY, UH, DID THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.BUT, UH, BUT THAT WHEN THAT PARKLAND DEDICATION WAS PUT IN PLACE, I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I WAS AT THAT TIME STILL PARKS, UH, CHAIRMAN, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE US AND HOW TO GROW OUR PARKS.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PLC, WE DIDN'T HAVE OTHER STUFF.
AND, UH, THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED, BUT, UH, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT I REMEMBER THAT TIMEFRAME.
THIS WAS, UH, I THINK THE FIRST SUBDIVISION THAT DEALT WITH IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT WAS, IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA GETTING WHEN YOU HAVE FACED A DIVISIONS TO GET ALL YOUR PARKLAND UP FRONT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT POTENTIAL THAT THEY'LL NEVER BE COMPLETED, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
ANYWAY, THAT THAT'S JUST THE SITUATION WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID AS FAR AS THE PROXIMITY TO LAKESIDE PARK.
UH, THIS PREDATES LAKESIDE PARKS, I MEAN, SORRY.
UH, LIKE I SAID, BUT IT'S, UH, I UNDERSTAND MEGAN'S REASONING, BUT I ALSO LOOK AT LAKESIDE PARK AS, UM, UH, BENEFITED QUITE A BIT FROM CONCESSIONS.
I'VE MADE, I THINK SOMEBODY, SOME OF YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT, UH, WHEN THE CITY CAME TO ME AND ASKED TO THINK CODY, UH, WANTED ME TO GET RID OF LAKESIDE SUBDIVISION, CANCEL THAT.
AND SO I DONATED Y'ALL LAND LAYING THERE AND I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DONATING MORE LAND FOR LAKESIDE PARK.
AND I GAVE UP ROUGHLY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, FROM LAKESIDE SUBDIVISION TO MAKE THE PARK, UH, HAPPENED, BUT I'VE BEEN PARKED GUY FOR FOREVER.
AND SO I WAS HAPPY TO DO THAT.
SO NONE OF IRONIC THAT A PARK THAT WOULDN'T BE THERE, IF I WOULDN'T MAKE THOSE DONATIONS KNOW CONCESSIONS IS BEING USED AS SAYING, OKAY, YOU'RE TOO CLOSE TO IT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TURN OUT IN YOUR PARKING LOT AND DEDICATION, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.
CAN YOU MOVE ONTO THE CALF WITH THE CAFE? I'M NOT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT THE CITY'S POSITION IS AND KATHY'S IN THE PAST.
AND AGAIN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 38 YEARS, SO THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT USED TO BE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PAGE, UM, IN THE PAST, WE ALWAYS WORKED TOGETHER.
THE CITY WOULD ASK ME TO DO SOMETHING.
I WOULD DO IT BECAUSE I WAS LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY DEVELOPER I'D RUN WATER LINES AND AT NO COST, BUT THAT FIRST ITEM TALKING ABOUT WATERLINE, UM, WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE, UH, ENTRANCE, ONE WATER, UH, COMING IN.
WE HAD ONE FROM WESTERN AVENUE, UH, THEN, UH, DURING SECTION THREE, ROBERT OWENS WAS A FIRE MARSHALL AND, UM, AND, UH, DAVID KING, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WANTED, UH, A LOOP SYSTEM, NOT FOR US, BUT FOR WEST SIDE LA THERE AT THE END OF THE LINE, IF THERE WAS A LAND BREAK, ARE THEY HAD A SERVICE, A WATER LINE BETWEEN THEM IN TOWN, THEY WOULD BE WITHOUT FIRE PROTECTION.
SO THEY ASKED US TO RUN A WATER LINE IN FROM MILLER STREET AND TO THE SOUTHERN DIVISION.
AND WE RAN A 12 INCH INSTEAD OF EIGHT INCH.
AND WE RAN A LINE THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEET THE SUBDIVISION CODE.
AND WE RAN IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE END OF ENCHANTED OAKS, UH, WHICH OPENED UP A DEVELOPMENT THAT HERITAGE PART CAME IN.
THE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL CAME INTO THE CHURCH, BUT SO THEY WANTED US TO SIZE IT LARGER.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK MIGUEL CALCULATED.
WE SPENT AN EXTRA $36,900 DOING THAT IN THE PAST THE CITY WOULD, IF YOU DID THINGS TO PROVE CONTRIBUTE, THEY WOULD GIVE ME CREDITS FOR IT.
UH, THE OTHER, THE NEXT ADAM, UM, SEE WHAT HE'S GOT, OH, LAND DEDICATION, THE SAME THING USED TO BE THE CASE, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT I THINK, UH, HOMETOWN DEVELOPERS DO A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE DONATED RIGHT AWAY.
SO THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT WE DONATED
UH, WE DOMINATED, UH, EASEMENT ALONG DITCH TAN AROUND OVER HALF A MILE, UH, FOR THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT NEEDED SOME.
SO, AND THEN WHEN Y'ALL WERE PUTTING IN THE SEWER LINE FOR, YOU HAVE A MAIN 30 INCH, I BELIEVE SEWER LINE COMING FROM NEAR MILLER STREET ACROSS OUR SIDE DIVISION AND GOES TO THE, UH, SEWER PLANT.
UH, I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME THAT KEPT, UH, BEING KABINS ON THE PROPERTY.
I SAID, WHEN WE DEVELOP IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARD, REPAIR THESE LANDS.
SO THEY AGREED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT A NEW SEWER LINE IN THROUGH OUR PROPERTY, BUT THEY GOT TO A POINT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TIE INTO THE OLD SEWER LINES ALONG DITCH TN THAT WERE CAVING IN.
SO I GAVE THEM EASEMENT, NO COST AGAIN, TO, UH, RUN A SEWER LINE, TO AVOID HAVING TO REPLACE ADDITIONAL SEWER LINES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN MIGUEL CAME UP WITH, UH,
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THAT NUMBER, UH, I THINK TOTAL HE HAS IN HERE, THE CONCESSIONS ARE THE, THE AMOUNT I SPENT FOR THE CITY WAS 118,532.I'M JUST JUST SAYING HE'S HE CALCULATED WHAT WAS DONE.
AND IN THE PAST, I KNOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD DO THINGS.
UH, ROBERT OWENS ASKED ME TO PUT IN A SUCTION, UH, SCREENS AND A PIPE OUT TO THE STREET FOR FIRE PROTECTION SAID WHEN WE HAVE NO POWER, NO WATER PRESSURE OF LIKE WE HAD DURING THE FREEZE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THESE WATER, AND WE'RE THE ONLY SUBDIVISION HAS LIKES.
AND SO, UH, IT WASN'T, THE CITY DIDN'T PAY FOR IT.
I PUT A MAN IN TWO OF THE LAKES AND I DON'T KNOW IS RIGHT AT 20 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT THEY TOLD ME YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
AND SO WE DID IT AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WHAT YOU DID BACK THEN.
BUT, UH, NOWADAYS I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS BY THAT WAY.
SO TIME HAS CHANGED, BUT I'M ONE OF THE OLD TIMERS DIFFERENT THINGS DONE BACK THEN.
BUT AS FAR AS THE CAFFEINE, THAT'S UP TO YOU THAT SAID, I KNOW THINGS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT BACK THEN WE WOULD DO THINGS IN THE CITY WOULD, UH, MAKE CONCESSIONS.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR $118,000 BACK.
ALL YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY CALL IT SQUARE AND LET ME MOVE ON WITH MY DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON THE PROJECT, BUT IT'S JUST, IF, IF THERE'S SOME SOMETHING THAT THERE IS PLACES TO MAKE, UH, SOME CONCESSIONS AND CAFES IS FINE.
AND SPEAKING OF CAFES, I KNOW, UM, THAT THERE IS A, UM, A STUDY AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED, ROB, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SEWER.
WE HAD TO PAY 4,000 FOR SOMETHING.
WHEN THEY DO THAT, WHERE HERITAGE JOKES IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SOURCE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, PAST US AS A SORT OF PLAN A, BUT I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE, UH, WE NEED TO PAY $4,000 FOR THEM TO DO A STUDY ON THE SEWER.
UH, SO I'M CURIOUS IN OUR SITUATION, THERE IS NOTHING DOWNSTREAM.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE OTHER ONES YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT DOES A SEWER CAPACITY IN THE LINES FROM A SUBDIVISION, SAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CITY, UH, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO UPGRADE IT ALL THE WAY TO A SEWER PLANT OR A LIFT STATION? UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COMES INTO PLAY, OR EVEN IF THERE'S A NECESSITY TO PAY $4,000 TO DO A STUDY ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO SAY, THERE IS NO UPGRADES.
UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT TO JAVIER IF I ADDRESS THAT TO MIGUEL, BUT, UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR SUB SUB DIVISION, A HERITAGE PARK WAS DIFFERENT.
UH, ALEXANDER COURT WAS DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS, UH, WE'RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LINE.
SO WE WILL HAVE, DON'T HAVE ANY UPGRADES TO HANDLE.
SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION AND ALSO ON JUST ONE MORE THING ON THE PARKS, MEGAN AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT LAKESIDE PARK, AND SINCE I HAVE A BOUNDARY OF 1500 FEET ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE, UH, IN THE PARKS BOARD, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME CONTINUITY OF FENCING OR OTHER, UH, THAT WHOLE, NORMALLY INHERITED JOKES ARE BIG.
LOTS OF PEOPLE PUT UP BROAD HIGHER, AND THEY PUT UP A CEDAR FENCE THAT MAY HAVE THE PICKET AND THE PICK IT OUT.
AND WE DIDN'T WANT THAT ON THAT WHOLE BOUNDARY FOR THE LOOK OF THE OTHER PARK.
AND WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ON THE, UH, IN THE GAZEBO ON THE PART THAT OVERHANGS YOU'RE GONNA BE STARING SOMEWHAT TOWARD MY PROPERTY.
SO I TOLD HER, I WOULD PUT IN THE FENCE THAT IN, CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT ROD EARNEST WOULD WRITE ON OR SOMEBODY DONE TO TAKE CARE OF THE BACKYARD.
THEY HAVE TRASH AND BAGS AND SEE IT, OR YOU HAVE ALTERNATING FENCES.
SO, UH, THERE'S NO PLAN TO FENCE THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY WHERE THE CEDAR PICKETS OUT SO THAT THE, UH, PARK VIEW WILL BE NICE, BUT WHICH THAT DISTANCE HAS ROUGHLY $34,000, BUT WE'RE DOING THAT AS IT, YOU KNOW, I WANT THE PARK TO DO WELL.
SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN.
SURE, MR. PELTIER, I'M JUST ONE VOTE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS COMMUNITY.
YOU'VE BEEN VERY GRACIOUS AND HELPING THE CITY EVERY TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU ARE VERY MUCH A DIFFERENT CASE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES, BECAUSE THIS SUBDIVISION WAS STARTED 20 YEARS AGO.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE DIFFERENT RULES AT THE TIME AND I FEEL IT'S WRONG IF WE TRY TO HOLD YOU TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN WHAT YOU STARTED THIS, AND YOU'RE ALMOST FINISHED WITH.
I DO THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I THINK IS FAIR THAT YOU SHOULD BE PAYING FOR.
AND, UM, I, BUT I, I DO AGREE WITH THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.
UM, BUT ON THE CALF STUDY, I MEAN, I REALLY THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE PAID AND THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FEE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE PAID.
COUNSEL Y'ALL CAN WELL, AND, AND I DON'T MIND THAT MY, MY PREFERENCE
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IS CONSISTENCY, RIGHT? I DON'T LIKE SEEING OVER THE YEARS AND IN SOME OTHER PROJECTS AND PRIOR CITY MANAGEMENT, YOU, THERE WAS NO CONSISTENCY.THIS PERSON GOT THIS, THIS PERSON WHO GOT THIS, THIS PERSON GOT THIS, AND THAT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS.
YOU REALLY NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
SO I'M FINE WITH WHATEVER THAT DECISION IS.
ANYBODY ELSE, CHRIS? I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.
THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF DONATING THIS PARKLAND WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN, EVEN UP UNTIL I LOOKED AT THE PLAN, I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT IT.
I HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE DRAFTED.
I THINK HE PROBABLY REMEMBERED DAVID AUSTIN PRETTY WELL.
BUT, UH, UH, I TOO THINK THAT YOU YOU'VE MET, YOU'VE MET THE PARKLAND REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND YOU MET SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, I KNOW WHAT, BACK IN THE, ONLY ON THE CALF STUDY, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CALF STUDY IS TRYING TO DETERMINE THE WATER CAP FEE IS ALREADY DETERMINED.
THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S CITYWIDE.
TRY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO CONVEY YOUR SEWER FROM YOUR SUBDIVISION TO THE SYRUP PLANT.
IT MIGHT GO THROUGH ONE LIFT STATION AND IT'S GOING TO DISCO DETERMINE THAT PROBABLY THE CAFE, SEVERAL WATTS, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT DID LOGIC JUST MAKES ME WONDER WHY WE, SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO DO, I'M GOING TO DEFER THAT TO THE STAFF.
ANYBODY ELSE, CHRIS? Y'ALL GOT SOME DIRECTION HERE WHERE WE'RE GOING.
STUDY, UH, FUCKING DEDICATION PERMIT.
WHAT ABOUT LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO AGREE TO THE, UH, 12 INCH WATER MAIN UPGRADE, WHEREVER THE CREDIT, THE CREDIT, THEY PUT IT IN A 12 INCH WATER MAIN.
WE ONLY NEEDED EIGHT, BUT HE'D BE A DIFFERENCE CREDITED TO THEM.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SEVERAL YEARS, SEVERAL YEARS PAST, BUT THAT'S CONTINUITY.
THAT'S, WHAT'S BEING DONE OTHER PLACE.
UM, MIGUEL WORKERS, BAKER, DAWSON, GET ALL MY ENGINEERING.
CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC PLEASE? THANK YOU.
SO WHEN I WROTE THE CAP LETTER, THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE BETWEEN THE 12 AND EIGHT WAS ACTUAL PRICE THAT WE GOT FROM A TO LIMIT TO CONTRACTORS ON OTHER JOBS HE DID IN 2020, UH, THE EASEMENT PRICE OF $2 OF SQUARE FOOT.
THAT WAS BASED ON, UH, AN EASEMENT ACQUISITION THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO WITH MR. RICHARD, WILLIE, WHICH IS NEAR HERITAGE OAK SECTION SEVEN, WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO DO A WATER MAIN CONNECTION TO WEST BY BOAT OR NO WESTERN AVENUE MILLER.
SO GOING SOUTH OF HERITAGE OAKS, SECTION SIX AND SOUTH OF THE TESLA PLANT.
THAT'S WHERE THOSE PRICES CAME FROM.
NOT GOOD CHRIS DOWN THERE, BUT THIS CHRIS Y'ALL GET DOWN THERE.
WE'RE WAVING THE PARKLAND WHEREVER THE PARK IT'S ABOUT RIGHT IN THAT CRACK ROBIN
SO THAT'S HOW I WOULD COME OUT TO CREDIT TO THE WATER MAIN WOULD COME OUT OF THE CAPACITY ACQUISITION.
WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN IT SO WELL, HE PAID THE $4,000
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CALF STUDY.SO THEN THAT WHERE THE 36,000 WOULD COME
YEAH, BECAUSE HDR WILL COME UP WITH A PRICE AND THE CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE TO BE DEEP TB D THAT HE WOULD GET CREDIT THE 36 OFF OF THAT CALF AND THE PASTE YARD AND SPEND $4,000 A BALANCE GOES TOWARDS CARE.
CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A LUMP SUM FEE.
WELL I DID TOO, UNTIL I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHILE DRIVING.
IF NOT Y'ALL CONVERSING, THEN WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG CARPET RESERVED MR. SMITH.
UH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A THEME GOING HERE IS THAT EACH OF THESE IS A UNIQUE SITUATION AND UH, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST PRESENT OUR SIDE.
UH, DURING DISCUSSIONS, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS THAT AGREEMENTS WERE MADE WITH US BY A FORMER CITY MANAGER BY STAFF.
WHO'S NO LONGER HERE AND THAT YOUR CURRENT STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY, EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO, TO AGREE TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID BEFORE.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ANGLETON HAS UNTIL VERY RECENTLY BEEN VERY REMINISCENT TO OFFER ANYTHING TO PEOPLE IN WRITING.
THERE WAS A LOT OF PHONE CALLS.
THERE'S A LOT OF COME DOWN AND SEE US, BUT THERE WASN'T A LOT OF EXCHANGES OF EMAILS.
WHEN CHRIS CAME IN AS THE NEW CITY MANAGER THAT STARTED CHANGING.
AND I THINK YOUR ENTIRE STAFF HAS EVOLVED.
BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE THINK THAT WE'RE SUFFERING TODAY IS THAT THERE LITERALLY IS NOBODY HERE THAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME.
SO HOW DO YOU APPROVE SOMETHING THAT THERE'S NOBODY LEFT TO TALK ABOUT? SO WHAT I TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER WHEN WE CAME TO ANGLETON, OUR GOAL WAS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS A LOT OF PARTS TO IT.
PART OF IT IS THE DESIGN OF THE HOME.
PART OF IT IS THE COST OF THE LOT.
PART OF IT IS THE FEES THAT YOU PAY.
AND PART OF IT IS YOU TAKE A LITTLE LESS PROFIT.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND WE SAID THAT PRIOR TO YOUR OVERPASS BEING BUILT IT UP, FINGLETON SUFFERED A LACK OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF A VERY SLOW MOVING FREIGHT TRAIN THROUGH TOWN.
AND FRANKLY, UNTIL I LEARNED NOT TO WAIT FOR THE TRAIN, I CAN FINISH A LETTER AND READ A BOOK AND IT'S STILL MOVING.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WASN'T A LOT OF GROWTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND WHOEVER PUT IN THAT, WHETHER THAT WAS TEXT OUT OR CITY, IT'S A PHENOMENAL DEAL.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE CITY AND SAID, SURE, WE CAN BUILD ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS, OR WE CAN TRY TO BUILD A GENESIS ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO START BRINGING BETTER QUALITY DEVELOPMENT TO THAT PART OF THE CITY.
OUR LONG-TERM GOALS ARE KHYBER WAS JUST TO START.
WE INTEND TO EXPAND OUT IN VARIOUS DIRECTIONS, INCLUDING TRYING TO GET THE OLD TECHSTOP FACILITY, CLEAN IT UP, TEAR IT DOWN AND TURN THAT INTO, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SOME, A LITTLE HIGHER DENSITY, UH, LOFT-STYLE LIVING AND MAYBE SOME RETAIL.
THAT IS, THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED TO DO.
WE CAME HERE AND IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, WE TALKED TO SCOTT AND WE SAID, PART OF THIS IS TYPICALLY FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CITY OF HUNTSVILLE, WE PAID A TOTAL OF $31,000 FOR A NUTS AND BOLTS, 94 UNITS TO 93 HERE.
THAT WAS ALL FEES FOR THE PERMITTING, EVERYTHING COMBINED.
AND I COULD PRODUCE THOSE CHECKS.
IT WAS 30, 30, 4,000 SOMETHING IN THAT RANGE.
SO WE WERE EXPECTING THAT THOSE WERE GOING TO BE THE FEES IN THIS AREA.
AND SCOTT MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE CAFES AND THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE OTHER THINGS IN OUR VERY FIRST MEETING, WHICH WAS ON JANUARY 10TH, OFFICIALLY.
ALTHOUGH WE HAD BEEN TALKING TO HIM PRIOR TO THAT, UH, WE DISCUSSED
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REZONING THE PROPERTY TO SF FIVE.SO WHICH THE COUNCIL WAS KIND ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO DO AND CONVERTING TO THE PD SO THAT WE COULD WORK AROUND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES.
AND SCOTT WANTED US INSTEAD OF BUILDING A DETENTION POND TO PUT IN A WET POND.
NOW I'M SURE THAT Y'ALL UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHEN A CITY SAYS THE CITY WOULD LIKE, THAT'S USUALLY FOLLOWED WITH, WITH, WE EITHER DO IT OR WE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE CITY HAS ALL THE POWER.
AND SO WHEN WE WERE TOLD THE CITY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO THIS, I DIDN'T ARGUE THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST TO EXCAVATE ALL THIS DIRT OR THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING ONE FOOT UP OVER OUR ENTIRE PROPERTY, WHICH CREATES A WHOLE NEW SET OF ISSUES.
AND HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT DRAINAGE? WE'VE ACTUALLY LOST 10 FEET OUT OF WATTS JUST TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY IS HIGHER.
IF THE PROPERTY WERE DOWN AND WE HAD AN EXCAVATED, ALL THIS EXTRA DIRT ON THE EVANS STREET SIDE OF OUR PROJECT, WHICH BY THE WAY, THE CONCRETE STREETS ARE DONE.
I HOPE YOU'LL GET A BUS AND DO A TOUR OUT THERE SOON.
UH, BUT FOR OUR BEST FRIENDS, TEXAS, NEW MEXICO POWER, WE'D BE READY PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 25 DAYS TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL PLATTING AND GETTING THE APPROVAL.
BUT LONG STORY SHORT IS IF YOU, UM, IF THE CITY ASKS YOU TO DO SOMETHING, YOU MAKE A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
NOT ON HARD TERMS. NOT SAYING YOU, PEOPLE ARE WRONG.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK WHATEVER YOU WANT.
BUT LIKEWISE, WHEN WE MAKE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO AND, AND TOLD TO DO, WE THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE HELD UP.
SO WE GET TO, HOW DO I PROVE SOMETHING THAT'S A NEGATIVE? HOW DO I PROVE THAT SCOTT EVER HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS? WE DID HAVE, UH, FORTUNATELY RIGHT AFTER HE LEFT, WE HAD A EMAIL FROM MEGAN WHO WAS YOUR, I BELIEVE TEMPORARY CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE YOU WERE ACTING CITY MANAGER.
RIGHT? SO WHATEVER THE TERM IS, I DON'T WANT TO GET SIDEWAYS WITH IT.
SO SHE ASKED WHAT WAS OUR DEAL WITH SCOTT? AND THIS WAS ALL DONE BACK ON WAY BACK IN, UH, FEBRUARY 25TH OF 2020, IF YOU'LL TURN TO TAB ONE, YOU'LL SEE THE LETTER THAT WE SENT HER BACK, WHICH WAS QUITE DETAILED OF WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING.
AND IF YOU GO TO PAGE THREE OF THAT, YOU'LL SEE THREE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED.
ONE IS WE ALSO REACH UNDERSTANDINGS ON OTHERS ISSUES SUCH AS USING OUR KHYBER PARK FEES TO BUILD A WET VERSUS DRY POND AND ADDING A FOUNTAIN.
THEN DURING THE MEETING, WE DETERMINED BECAUSE OF VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THAT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY.
AND THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE EXTERNAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
I, YOU KNOW, CAFES, IF THE CITY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THIS STATEMENT BACK IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, THEY COULD HAVE SAID, CHARLES, HEY, WE GOT YOUR EMAIL BECAUSE IT WAS SENT TO SEVERAL STAFF IN AN AND UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE BEING ASKED WHAT WAS JUST HAPPENING.
IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT A HARMONIOUS DEPARTURE.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT WAS JUST LIKE ONE DAY HE WAS HERE AND THE NEXT DAY HE WAS GONE.
AND AT THAT POINT, IF SOMEONE HAD SAID, OH, CHARLES, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE WHAT YOU AND SCOTT TALKED ABOUT, BUT LET'S JUST WIPE THAT ALL OUT.
WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO THE PLANNING, BUT IT WASN'T GOING FORWARD.
WE'VE HAD 30 MEETINGS, NUMEROUS TIMES THAT SOMEONE COULD HAVE SAID, HEY, THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU WERE TOLD AREN'T GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH ON FIVE SEVEN, KEN, MY BUSINESS ASSOCIATE WENT OUT WITH, UH, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF.
SOME OF WHICH ARE NO LONGER HERE.
UH, I THINK CHRIS AND MEGAN ARE STILL HERE AND GEORGE AND THEY WENT OUT AND TOURED THE PROPERTY ABOUT WHAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING.
IT WAS FAIRLY CLEAR TO US THAT WE WERE STILL CHUGGING ALONG THAT OUR PARK FEES WERE GOING TOWARDS OUR PROPERTY.
HAD WE BEEN TOLD, NO, WE WANT TO ELIMINATE ALL THIS.
WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE EXCAVATED THE EXTRA DIRT.
THEN ON FIVE 27, YOU'RE ACTING DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
GEORGE SENT US WHAT IS NOW TAB TWO IN YOUR FOLDER
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FOLDER AND SAID, THIS IS A SAMPLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.WE'RE GOING TO WANT YOU TO SIGN? WELL, WE HAVE HUGE PROBLEMS WITH HIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT COMES FROM A, UH, A CITY THAT IS STRIVING TO RE RETARD THEIR GROWTH, WHICH HAS SUGAR LAND.
UH, SECOND, ONLY TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND COMPLEXITY.
AND, UH, BUT THIS WAS SENT TO US AND NOWHERE IN THIS ENTIRE DOCUMENT, DOES IT MENTION CAFES OR PARK FEES? SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, OKAY, EVERYTHING'S STILL GREAT.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER IN JUNE 18TH, IF YOU'LL TURN TO TAB THREE, WE SENT BACK OUR VERSION OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR A DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES.
WE THOUGHT THIS WAS FAIR AND EQUITABLE, BUT IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON PAGE TWO AT THE TOP, RIGHT THERE, WE AGAIN TOLD THE CITY THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CITY, NO PARK FEES AND NO ADDITIONAL FEES, EXCEPT FOR THE BUILDING PERMITS AT THAT POINT, GEORGE AND HIS STAFF COULD HAVE SAID, OH, WELL, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT THE DEAL.
WE PROCEEDED IN AUGUST BASED ON THE ASSURANCES OF WHAT WE PROJECTED OUR COST AT, WE WENT AHEAD AND SOLD THE LOTS ON PAPER.
THERE'S NO NOTHING'S TRANSFERRED, BUT WE'VE SIGNED CONTRACTS.
AND MY WORD IN THAT CASE MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO PRODUCE THOSE LOTS.
SEPTEMBER COMES, IF YOU'LL TURN TO THE NEXT TAB.
AND WE WERE ASKED AGAIN FOR A COPY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THIS TIME IT SHOULD REFLECT MORE OF THE THREE 80 LANGUAGE AND THE TERMS LANGUAGE.
AND SO WE HAD IT PREPARED AGAIN IN THIS COPY ON PAGE TWO, IT SAYS AT THE BOTTOM THAT THERE IS NO PARK FEES.
AND THE NEXT PAGE, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL FEES OWED BY THE DEVELOPER BUILDER WILL BE THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 93 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH THIS.
WE DIDN'T CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL NOVEMBER AFTER THIS COUNCIL GRANTED OUR PIT, BECAUSE THAT WAS CRUCIAL.
WE WANTED TO REPLACE THAT WITH A TERM, WHICH WE NOW IN IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT, BUT THERE SOME CONFUSION ON THE TERRORS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO USE THAT TO REPLACE THE PID DESPERATELY.
WE DON'T WANT TO ADD ON LAYER TAXES.
THEN FINALLY IN DECEMBER WE HAD IN THE NEXT TAB, A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, I'M SORRY, A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING AT THAT MEETING ATTENDED BY VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY ON CITY STAFF.
NO ONE MENTIONED TO US THAT, OH, BY THE WAY, THERE ARE THESE CAFES.
IT WAS NOT UNTIL JANUARY 6TH OF THIS YEAR, THAT I HEARD THAT WE WERE OWED PARK FEES AND CAFE FEES.
I ALSO FIND THAT WE'RE PAYING OR BEING ASKED TO PAY A CALF FEES OF 2,700 AND CHANGE.
OTHER PEOPLE ARE CHARGING 1500.
UH, ADDITIONALLY IT WAS ASKED THAT WE NEED TO PAY THEM ALL UPFRONT.
WHAT IF WE DON'T BUILD SECTION TWO, THE SAME THING WITH PARK FEES.
THIS COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY.
I BELIEVE TO HONOR THE OLD AGREEMENTS I'VE SHOWN YOU.
THE ONLY EVIDENCE WE HAVE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN A POSITION TO NEGOTIATE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE STREETS BUILT TO SEE SEWER IN.
AND WE'VE PLANNED TO CALL FOR INSPECTIONS IN ABOUT A WEEK, BUT IT WILL ECONOMICALLY WELL WITH THE CALF FEES AND THE PARK FEES.
OUR COST PER LOT IS A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT UNDER 42,000.
A LOT PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OUR WONDERFUL FRIENDS AT TEXAS NEW MEXICO HAVE MORE THAN TRIPLED OUR COSTS SINCE AUGUST, BUT WE SOLD THE LOTS FOR LESS THAN THAT.
SO IN THE MORE WE BUILD, THE MORE WE'LL LOSE AND IT DOESN'T GOING TO CHANGE.
WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THE SUBDIVISION, IT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE MY OPINION OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY.
BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING IS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE OPERATED UNDER.
AND THIS IS THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT WE'VE PROVIDED THE CITY WITH INPUT OF WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
AND NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING TO US UNTIL JANUARY 6TH, NOT UNUSUAL WITH ALL THE CHANGES YOU'VE HAD IN STAFF.
IN HINDSIGHT, WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SIGNED IN JUNE.
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HAVE JUST SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN, BUT WE WERE JUST PROCEEDING ALONG THE IDEA THAT WE'RE ALL GETTING ALONG.UH, WE ASK THAT YOU WAIVE OUR CAFES AS WE BELIEVE THEY WERE, AND THAT YOU WAIVE OUR PARK FEES.
UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OTHER LEGS TO STAND ON AND WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE WHATEVER YOU SAY.
THANK YOU FOR THE, FOR THE INFORMATION AND THE DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU PRESENT.
WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT PROBABLY WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS, UH, COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
SO IF I'M TO UNDERSTAND THIS PRESENTATION, I'M LOOKING AT, I'M SORRY.
I'LL TRY TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS PRESENTATION.
AND I'M LOOKING AT NUMBER TWO, IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SUBMITTED TO YOU BY THE CITY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS? THAT WAS ON MAY 27TH.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE EXACT PAGE THAT WAS ON MAY 27TH OF 2020 MAY 27TH.
THAT WAS AFTER A PERIOD OF MAY 3RD THROUGH MAY 27TH WAS WHEN THE CONVERSATION WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN GEORGE AND KEN, FROM MY STAFF OF HOW DO WE PROCEED WITH A THREE 80 TERRORS? HOW DO WE PROCEED WITH A PID? HOW DO WE GET THIS ALL ROLLED INTO A DEVELOPMENT GROUP? SO THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR US.
WE'LL COUNTER WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND NUMBER THREE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND WHEN WAS THAT TURNED OVER TO THE CITY? WHEN DID YOU REPLY WITH THE MAY ON OR ABOUT SIX 18, SIR? ABOUT JUNE 18 THAT WAS SENT TO GEORGE AND CHRIS.
UH, ACTUALLY IT WAS SENT TO GEORGE WITH JUST A COURTESY TO CHRIS AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE'RE INVEST.
I SEE THAT THERE WILL BE NO PARK FEE REQUIREMENTS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING US WE'RE NOT PAYING THE BARCLAYS IN THIS AGREEMENT.
THIS AGREEMENT SAYS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PARK FEES BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING.
AND THE ONLY ADDITIONAL FEES OWED BY THE DEVELOPER BUILDER WILL BE THE BUILDING PERMITS, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE CAFES.
SO YOU JUST SAID THAT THE WOULD BE NO PARK FEES, BECAUSE THAT WAS YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHERE W W W BETWEEN THE MAY SUBMISSION FROM THE CITY AND YOUR REPLY IN JUNE, WHEN WAS THE CONVERSATION HELD THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PARK FEES NEED TO BACK UP, SIR? I'M SORRY.
PERHAPS I WASN'T BEING CLEAR BACK ON JANUARY 10TH OF 2020 IS WHEN WE HAD OUR INITIAL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 20 SOMETHING.
WHEN YOUR CITY MANAGER LEFT TAB ONE WAS THE LETTER THAT WAS REQUESTED BY MEGAN ACTING AS YOUR CITY MANAGER ASKING US, WHAT KIND OF DEALS DID YOU MAKE WITH SCOTT? BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF DEALS HE MADE ON PAGE THREE OF THAT LETTER SENT TO MEGAN IN FEBRUARY, THERE WERE THREE AREAS HIGHLIGHTED, AND WE READ THOSE TO SAY, AND THEY WERE MEANT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS NO PARK FEES, THAT THERE IS NO CAFES AT THAT POINT, IF THE CITY HAD SAID, OH, NO, THAT'S WRONG.
WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN UNDER THIS ASSUMPTION.
AND WHEN WE GOT THE MAY 27TH AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY, AND IT DIDN'T SAY THERE WILL BE CAFES AND PARK FEES, THAT MERELY REITERATED WHAT WE BELIEVED.
WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN YOU GOT THIS AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY, DID THE CITY HAVE SIGNED THE AGREEMENT? NO, SIR.
IT'S ACTUALLY STRAIGHT OUT OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT GEORGE GEORGE TOLD US THAT HE JUST TOOK THE PAGES OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SEND IT TO US.
SO IF YOU WERE TO GO INTO YOUR OWN LDC, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
AT ANY POINT, DID YOU ASK IF THERE WOULD BE ANY CALF OR PARK FEES? I THINK THAT, UH, I'M ASSUMING.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROCESS WE WERE TOLD THERE WOULDN'T
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BE, WE WROTE IT IN FEBRUARY THAT WE WERE TOLD THERE WOULDN'T BE BY WHO, THAT SCOTT HAD TOLD US THAT.AND WE SENT THAT IN A LETTER TO THE CITY.
I WOULD HAVE HOPED THAT IF THE CITY HAD OBJECTED TO THAT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE CONTACTED US AND SAID, NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR SCOTT'S DEAL.
WHEN WE GOT THE L THE, OKAY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY, AND IT DIDN'T INCLUDE PARK FEES, AND IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT FEES WE ASSUMED.
AND THAT'S A VERY BAD THING, A MISTAKE I PROBABLY WILL NEVER MAKE AGAIN, THAT EVERYTHING WAS STILL THE WAY IT WAS.
AND WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH THREE SEPARATE DOCUMENTS AFTER THAT, EACH TIME INDICATING THAT IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING, THERE WERE NO FEES AND NO ONE AT ANY POINT IN JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER EVER SAID, OH, NO, NO, NO, THIS ISN'T THE DEAL.
IT WAS NOT UNTIL JANUARY 6TH, WHEN WE'RE ALREADY 80% OF THE WAY INTO OUR CONSTRUCTION BEFORE WE WERE TOLD ABOUT THE CAFE, SIR.
SO WHAT'S YOUR, YOU'RE RELYING ON AN ACT OF EMISSION INSTEAD OF AN ACT OF AFFIRMATION, MEANING YOU'RE LYING ON THE FACT THAT THERE ISN'T IN THERE AND THERE'S NO SENATORS.
DID ANYBODY FROM THE CITY AGREE TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED BACK TO US? EVERY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE'VE SUBMITTED BACK TO THE CITY LANGUISHED AND MANY TIMES THEY SAID THEY LOST IT.
SO, NO, NO ONE'S EVER SAID THAT NO ONE'S EVER SIGNED ANY OF THEM.
SO IT'S THE OMISSION OF AN ACCIDENT.
SO YOU TAKE IT BY OUR SILENCE THAT WE HAVE SOUND HOW GIVEN SOME SORT OF TANGENT CONSENT.
I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THE FEBRUARY 28TH LETTER WAS SENT TO YOUR ACTING CITY MANAGER, SPECIFICALLY ASKING WHAT OUR DEAL WAS AT THAT POINT, THE FACT THAT SHE DID NOT OBJECT THAT THE CITY DID NOT OBJECT, ITS ELECTED OFFICIALS DID NOT OBJECT.
WELL, HOW CAN YOU OBJECT TO SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW, SIR? HOW COULD SHE OBJECT TO SOMETHING? SHE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE.
SHE ASKED YOU WHAT YOU AGREED ON, RIGHT? YOU TO AGREE TO PAUL, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GETTING IS A ONE-SIDED CONVERSATION.
WHAT SHE, YOU BELIEVE AGREEMENT TO BE.
SO AT THAT POINT, IF SHE HAD SAID TALK TO THE, SHE CAN'T JUST, YOU CAN'T TAKE A POSITION OPPOSITE TO THAT.
SHE CAN'T SAY NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU AGREED UPON.
SHE WASN'T PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
RIGHT? SO SHE ONLY ASKED WHAT YOU AGREED UPON, BUT IF AT A LATER DATE YOU WERE NOT GOING TO HONOR THOSE AGREEMENTS.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN COMMON COURTESY, I BELIEVE TO SAY AT THAT POINT IN FEBRUARY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR THIS OR IN JUNE OR IN AUGUST OR IN SEPTEMBER.
I MEAN, WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE ASKED YOU WHAT YOUR AGREEMENT DID YOU SAY SPECIFICALLY? NO CAFFEINE.
I MEAN, I THINK LIKE IF, IF THAT WAS YOUR AGREEMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD HER, WE CAME TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD HAVE NOT HAVE EXTERNAL INFRASTRUCTURE ASSESSMENTS IS PAGE THREE OF TAB ONE.
ALTHOUGH WE NATURALLY BUILD AT OUR EXPENSE TO CITY STANDARDS AND ALL ON-SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
I SEE THAT I'M HOPING THAT THAT WOULD BE CLEAR THAT THAT'S A CAFE.
EVERY CITY CALLS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN EVERY CITY AND ENFORCES IT, RIGHT? NO, SIR, ACTUALLY, MOST CITIES THAT WE DEAL WITH DO NOT HAVE CAFFEINE AT THIS POINT.
HOW DID THEY HAVE IMPACT FEES, SIR? DID THEY HAVE IMPACT PIECE IN THE CITY OF HUNTSVILLE? FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONLY FEE WE PAID WAS 31 OR $34,000.
AND THAT WAS FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT FEE AND ALL RELATED FEES ADDED UP TO THAT PLUS $1,000 AS A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FEE.
THAT'S THE TOTAL, THERE'S NO CALF FEES.
UH, THE CITY OF DAYTON HAS NO CAFES.
UH, I MEAN, SO NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVERY CITY ASSESSED.
SO, BUT I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY POINT.
SO YOU SEND AN EMAIL OF A CONVERSATION THAT SUPPOSEDLY TAKES PLACE BETWEEN YOU AND SCOTT AGREE UPON, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND YOU DID YOUR BEST TO LAY OUT THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT WITHIN THIS? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT FOUR PAGE EMAIL.
IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? I GUESS IT'S FOUR AND A HALF BECAUSE HE GOES ONTO THE FIFTH PAGE.
THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR AGREEMENT? YES, SIR.
TO WHICH YOU GET NO RESPONSE FROM THE CITY, COULD YOU SET IT LANGUISHED? NO RESPONSE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
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YOU TOOK THAT TO MEAN BY THEIR SILENCE, BY THE CITY SILENCE THAT WE WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS ONE-SIDED CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD NO PARTY TO, THAT THAT WAS PRESENTLY A PART OF THE CITY.NOBODY IN THE PRESENTLY PART OF THE CITY WAS A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE CITY STAFF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE ON THE JANUARY 10TH DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
I BELIEVE MS. MEGAN WAS THERE.
UH, BUT THAT'S NOT THE TOTALITY OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH SCOTT.
UH, YOUR POINT IS THAT YES, WE RELIED ON THE FACT THAT THE CITY DID NOT SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR.
THIS AGREEMENT THAT YOU FEEL IS IN PLACE.
HAD THEY COME TO US IN FEBRUARY OR AT ANY POINT PRIOR TO THE DATE THAT I CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY AND SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR THIS.
WE WOULD HAVE SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT OUR FINANCING SITUATION.
WE WOULD HAVE WALKED AWAY AND ATE THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS NOT PROFITABLE WITH THE CAP FEES, BUT WE HAVE ZERO DOCUMENTATION AND NO LETTERS.
AND WE ARE IN FACT, RELYING ON AN ABSENCE OF AN OBJECTION AS YOU'VE ASKED.
AND SO YOU DON'T, I HAVE A DELL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE, CORRECT? WE DO NOT.
IS THAT ALSO THE CITY'S FAULT FOR NOT HAVING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE? IF WE SUBMITTED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO YOU IN JUNE AND AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER AND INCLUDING SENDING TO THE CITY SECRETARY.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING WE HEAR IS IN NOVEMBER THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS NEVER SEEN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE SEND IT OFF AGAIN.
UH, IT IS THE CITY WHO CONTROLS THIS NARRATIVE.
I SHOULD, TO YOUR POINT IN JUNE, SHUT DOWN THIS ENTIRE SUBDIVISION AND SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD.
WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE ALL WORKING TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL AND THINGS HAVE CREEPED IN CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT NO, WE HAVE NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND IS IT THE CITY'S FAULT? I DON'T THINK I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT AS FAULT, BUT WE'VE TRIED DESPERATELY.
WE HAVE NO, UH, THIS COUNCIL PASSED A PID FOR US.
UH, BACK IN NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE TO THIS DATE, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PIT REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.
IT'S A STANDARD AGREEMENT SIGNED BY CITIES THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT WHEN THE PID MONEY COMES IN TO YOU, YOU'LL GIVE IT TO US.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR MONTHS, SO HAVE OTHER DEVELOPERS.
I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP TRY TO WORK THROUGH IT, WHICH IS WHAT I THOUGHT TONIGHT WAS ABOUT.
AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF AND WE WILL ACCEPT WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL SAYS AND WE'LL GO ON OUR MERRY WAY.
WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU TELL US TO DO.
I SHOULD IN JUNE HAVE SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RELY ON THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY SMILES AND HUGS AND SAYS LIKE, LIFE IS GOOD.
I SHOULD HAVE GOT IT IN WRITING.
SO IF ANYBODY'S AT FAULT, IT'S ME.
SO TRAVIS, LET ME JUST CLARIFY TOO.
WHEN IT GETS TO SOME OF THIS NITTY GRITTY, NUTS AND BOLTS, HE DOESN'T GET TO US UNTIL THEY HAVE GOT SOMETHING MORE FORMALIZED AND PRESENT CLEAN.
SO I CAN SEE WHERE SOME FAULT COULD HAVE CO BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UM, BUT, UH, WE JUST DON'T GET INTO SOME OF THAT UNTIL IT COMES TO FINAL PRODUCT OR MAYBE THROUGH CONVERSATIONS FROM CITY STAFF TO US.
I KNOW THE REASON I ASK IS SOME OF THESE ARE ADDRESSED TO CHRIS WHITAKER.
I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF HER DRESSED HIM.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS WHEN WE SIGN IT AT THE BOTTOM, THAT'S IT WOULD HAVE CERTAIN NAMES, RIGHT? SEEKING HIS SIGNATURE VERSUS WHAT THE COPY.
WHAT WE WERE COPYING SIR, IS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE RANDALL LAW FIRM, UH, WHICH I NOW UNDERSTAND WAS AN IMPERFECT DOCUMENT.
AND ONE THAT WAS PUSHED TOGETHER AT PERHAPS SCOTT'S INSISTENCE, AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING THEM TO COMPLETELY DEVELOP IT.
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DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.SO WE TRIED TO REWORD THAT, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE IT AS A RED LINE IS TO SHOW THAT, MAKE IT SIMPLE ON STAFF, TO SEE THAT WE'RE NOT OUR, WHAT WE WERE CHANGING.
AND, UH, IN HINDSIGHT, WE NOW FIND THAT THAT ENTIRE AGREEMENT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT WAS IN FACT, UH, COPPER TOGETHER, UH, WITHOUT MUCH INPUT OR FROM WHAT I'M TOLD, UH, NOT ENOUGH INPUT TO YOUR STAFF, YOUR LEGAL STAFF, MR. RON SMITH.
MY, MY COMMENT IS REALLY SECONDING WHAT COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SAYS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE ACCEPTED IT.
IT'S ON YOU THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING, BUT I WANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT JUST FOR A SECOND.
AND I WANT JAVIER, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? BECAUSE IN YOUR LETTER HERE, AND THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY QUESTIONED THIS AND NOT THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED, BUT JAVIER, IN THIS EMAIL HERE, IT SAYS IN THE MEETING THAT IT CAME TO THEIRS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE AN EXTERNAL INFRASTRUCTURE ASSESSMENT.
AND ALTHOUGH WE WILL NATURALLY BUILD IT, OUR EXPENSE THAT THE CITY STANDARDS ON ALL SITE PREMISES, HOW MANY LIVE STATIONS ARE YOU GOING THROUGH FROM KYBER RESERVE TO GET TO OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ABOUT MAYBE TWO.
AND WHAT ARE THE AGES OF THOSE? UH, THEY CAN RANGE FROM THE SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES.
SO WHY WOULD, WOULD HDR EVER SAY THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT FROM KYBER RESERVE ON WASTEWATER? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WE'VE DONE A CF STUDY.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU DO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, ALTHOUGH IN HERE IT SAYS YOU DIDN'T, UM, THE KATHY IS TWO 54 TURN 50,000 AND THAT'S BASED OFF OF 93 CONNECTIONS.
AND THE REASON WHY IT'S SO EXPENSIVE FROM, FROM KYBER RESERVE IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AGED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO PUSH THAT THROUGH, TO GET TO OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I WOULD FIND IT HARD FOR CITY STAFF TO SAY, NO, CAFEE ON KYBER RESERVE WHERE WE NEGOTIATE FROM THERE.
THAT'S OPEN TO ME AT THIS POINT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING WASTEWATER AND WATER THROUGH AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IMPROVED.
SO I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT, THAT ISN'T AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO RESOLVE.
SO THERE WERE, THERE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A STATEMENT SAYING, WELL, THERE'S NO IMPACT ON THE EXTERNAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
ANY, ANY DEVELOPER HERE IN THIS AUDIENCE TONIGHT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TERM THAT'S OFTEN USED IN OTHER CITIES IS THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY AND THAT THERE'S NO DIRECT IMPACT TO THE NEEDS OF THE CITY.
UH, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
EVERY GALLON THAT'S EITHER DRAWN THROUGH THE TAPS.
WE WERE HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR A, A NEW, LARGE WATER PIPE, UH, EVERY GALLON THAT'S FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILETS, EVERY CAR THAT'S DRIVEN ON YOUR ROADS, ALL IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AND IMPACT YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH IS THAT HAD WE KNOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, BACK IN FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, AND MAY, THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ASSESSED, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE COULD HAVE PLANNED FOR THAT IN OURS.
AND CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL SAYS, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH, WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT AT THE $2,700 RANGE, IT'S MORE THAN WE WOULD HAVE DREAMED IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND WE WEREN'T TOLD, AND IS IT MY FAULT FOR NOT SAYING I CAN'T TAKE ANOTHER STEP UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHAT MY CAFES ARE, PERHAPS IT IS SIR, BUT AGAIN, MANY OTHER CITIES WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD IN AN AREA THAT IS, I WON'T CALL IT BLIGHTED BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A FAIR, BUT IS UNDERSERVED.
LIKE THE SOUTH SIDE, THEY BEING CITIES OFTEN MAKE DEALS WITH DEVELOPERS TO GET THAT DEVELOPMENT TO GO THERE THAT THEY WOULDN'T MAKE.
IF I WERE BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE IN AN AREA THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE PLENTY OF DEVELOPMENT GOING INTO, SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF RELATIONSHIPS.
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UH, I CAN TELL YOU, UH, I'VE HAD A CITY CALL ME RECENTLY AND TELL ME THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING IN SOME IMPACT FEES.COULD I SPEED MY PROJECT UP SO I COULD GET IT DONE BEFORE THEY INSTITUTE THEIR IMPACT FEES? COULD I GET MY PLATS TO THEM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THOSE DOLLARS WILL RAISE THE PRICE OF OUR HOMES AND THEY DESPERATELY WANT THE HOMES IN THE ONE 70 TO TWO 10 RANGE.
AND THEY KNOW THAT IF THERE ADD SOME FEES, IT'S GOING TO GO UP.
SO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL GOES WITH, WE CERTAINLY WILL AGREE TO, WE'RE NOT HERE TO SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS IS WHAT WE THOUGHT.
IF WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT, GET SOME KIND OF NUMBER.
WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, NOT ONLY WITH THIS, BUT WITH OTHER PROJECTS IN A CITY THAT WE THINK IS REALLY WELL POSITIONED.
AND FRANKLY IS A REALLY NICE CITY.
UH, MY FIRST TIME HERE, I SAT ACROSS THE STREET AT YOUR, UH, ANGLETON SEAFOOD AND LOOKED AT THE OAK TREES.
AND MY WIFE WAS THINKING, MAYBE WE SHOULD MOVE HERE.
IT'S THAT NICE AT FIRST IMPRESSION? AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE SOUTH SIDE BLOSSOM.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME CONCERTED EFFORT BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S HERE IS TRYING TO DEVELOP ON THE NORTH SIDE.
IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE, UH, IN THE LONG RUN.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE HAIRY TIMES THAT WE'LL PERHAPS HAVE ON THE SOUTH, CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE LEGACY ISSUES OF DRIVING THROUGH MR. VON SCHMIDT.
IF I MISSED IT, I'M APOLOGIZE.
BUT ON WHAT DATE WERE YOU TOLD YOUR CALF STUDY B WOULD BE $4,000.
WHEN DID YOU, AND WHEN DID YOU PAY YOUR CALF STUDY FEE? THE CAFE WAS GOING TO BE $3,500.
AND PLEASE, PARDON ME? I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I BELIEVE BACK IN FEBRUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY, UH, 20 OF 20.
AND YOU KNOW, TO THAT LENGTH OR TO THAT COMMENT, IF I ORDERED A CAFEE STUDY IN FEBRUARY, I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE HEARD SOMETHING IF IT WAS GOING TO BE IMPOSED AGAINST US.
AGAIN, MY MISTAKE, THIS QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, WHEN DID YOU GET THE RESULTS OF THAT CALF PIECE STUDY? WE'VE NEVER SEEN THE ACTUAL RESULTS WE WERE TOLD ON JANUARY 6TH OF 2021, THAT THE RESULTS WERE $254,000 FOR THE ENTIRE 93 UNITS.
NO COMMUNICATION REGARDING THESE CAFE BETWEEN FEBRUARY 20 IN JANUARY THE SIXTH.
I'M GOING TO ASK ROBIN, DID YOUR OFFICE RECEIVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR.
WE RECEIVED NOTHING DIRECTLY AND OUR ENGINEERS DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING UNTIL THAT MEETING IN JANUARY OF 2021.
OBVIOUSLY IF WE'D RECEIVED A CALF REPORT BACK IN MARCH OR APRIL, WE WOULD HAVE SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE WAIVED AND WE COULD HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION THEN.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S MISTAKE.
I'M JUST GETTING SOME DATA HERE.
WHEN WAS HDR AUTHORIZED TO DO THIS $3,500 STUDY? APPROXIMATELY WHEN WERE YOU AUTHORIZED TO DO THE JOB JAVIER? I'M SORRY.
I COULD COME UP WHERE WE CAN HEAR YOU.
SO COUNSEL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THE $3,500 CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE STUDY THAT WAS CONDUCTED WAS CONDUCTED IN SOMETIME IN 2019 OR LATE 2018.
AND THAT WAS FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT MR. VON SCHMIDT INITIALLY WAS GOING TO DO AND DID NOT COMPLETE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT STUDY WAS COMPLETED FOR A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
WHEN DID YOU PAY THE FEE FOR THIS PROJECT? I'M SORRY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE HAVE COPIES OF THE CHECKS.
WE PAID $3,500 FOR ANDERSON PLACE AND WE PAID $3,500 FOR KYBER.
AND WE WERE PAYING $3,500 FOR THE MEADOWS PROJECT WHEN WE DECIDED TO HOLD OFF.
SO WE HAD TO ISSUE TWO CHECKS FOR $3,500 EACH, WHICH WERE BOTH PUT INTO THE POOL FUND AND THEY WERE ONE WAS SENT IN, IN NOVEMBER.
AND ONE WAS SENT IN FEBRUARY OF 2020.
AND I DO NOT HAVE THOSE COPIES, BUT I WILL EMAIL THEM TO Y'ALL TOMORROW.
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WE CAN ALSO PROVIDE THAT.I DO BELIEVE THAT $4,000 IS WHAT THEY PAID FOR THE MOST RECENT STUDY ON THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE HERE MEETING ABOUT TONIGHT.
AND WHEN WAS THAT CHECK ISSUED? YOU WOULD BE THE ONE TO KNOW THAT.
WELL, I THINK HOWEVER WE DID, WE CAN, WE CAN RUN THAT THROUGH FINANCE AND FIND OUT I DON'T HAVE THAT WHEN THE STUDY WAS AUTHORIZED.
I DIDN'T ASK WHEN THE CHECK WAS CUT.
UM, I CAN LOOK BACK AT THAT AND GET, GET AN ANSWER ON THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE RESULTS AS WELL, WHEN THAT WAS SENT BACK OVER FOR A NO, JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE STEPS DRAWN OUT.
WHO TOLD YOU TO DO IT WHEN YOU WERE RESPONDED TO WHO? WHEN WITH THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY? YES, SIR.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UM, DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO GET WITH MR. VON SCHMIDT AND YOU GOT SOME MORE, SIR.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, SO WHERE ARE WE ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION? I MEAN, I SEE YOUR RENDITION OF AGREEMENT, I GUESS THAT WAS YOU AND SCOTT AGREED UPON IN THIS EMAIL THAT WAS ADDRESSED TO MEGAN, BUT DOES IT REALLY USING OUR KHYBER PARK FEES TO BUILD A WET VERSUS DRY PAWN WITH FOUNTAIN ADDING AESTHETICAL STATICALLY TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE? SO YOU, YOU SAYING THAT'S YOUR PARK, YOUR FEES FOR YOUR PARKLAND IS THE, OR, OR THAT ITSELF IS A PART THAT THE, THE FOUNTAIN INSIDE OF THE WET POND, WE WERE ASKED BY SCOTT TO MAKE THAT INTO A WET POND WITH A FOUNTAIN IN LIEU OF THE PARK FEES.
I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING MORE THAN IT WAS WHAT I WROTE AT THE TIME.
CAUSE THAT WAS MY BEST RECOLLECTION WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY.
UH, BUT YES, SIR, IS OUR CONTENTION THAT OUR PARK FEES WERE ABSORBED BY THAT PROJECT.
DO YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE COST IS? OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR COSTS WERE ABSORBED BY THE PART FEE.
SO WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR COST WAS? I WOULD ESTIMATE OUR COSTS IF SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $150,000, IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY, IF WE DIDN'T GO DOWN THIS ROUTE, UH, SO $150,000 TO DIG A DEEPER WET POND.
WELL, THERE IS A DEEPER WET POND.
THERE'S SOME OTHER AMENITIES THAT HE ASKED FOR UPON A WALKING TRAILS THAT WAS AUGMENTED BY, UH, MEGAN.
UH, I THINK, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ASKED US TO ADD SOME STONE BENCHES TO IT.
UH, THERE WAS SOME PLANTS THAT WERE BEING PUT INTO QUITE FRANKLY, THE COUNCIL SHOULD KNOW ANY DEVELOPER WOULD RATHER PAY $575 IN PARK FEES.
IF WE WERE TOLD THAT UPFRONT FAR, PREFER THAT TO WHAT WE'VE DONE AT KYBER, JUST DISPOSING OF THE DIRT.
IF YOU GO OVER THERE AND YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR, OUR PROPERTY IS HIGHER THAN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF ENGINEERING EXPENSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T FLOOD OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND SO WE WOULD FAR PREFER TO WRITE YOU A CHECK FOR $60,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS TO EVER THIS MASSIVE EXCAVATION AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO PUT IN, MAKE NO MISTAKE.
I WOULD DO IT ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
IF A CITY ALLOWED ME TO PAY PARK FEES, INSTEAD OF DOING A PARK, I WOULD DO IT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE TIME, BECAUSE IT'S WAY CHEAPER.
I THINK THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE BEFORE ME INDICATED IT COST HIM 30 ACRES OF LAND, UH, GRANTED ONLY A DEDICATION OF NINE POINT SOMETHING ACRES, BUT WHEN YOU ADD THE PONDS AND ALL THAT TO IT, I THINK HE MENTIONED SOMETHING AROUND 30 ACRES, THAT FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER SPENT PUTTING HOMES AROUND THE LAKES AND HAVING LAKESIDE HOMES.
UH, SO WE WOULD ALWAYS ERROR ON PAYING YOU THE $575.
AND IF I HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN JUNE BEFORE WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION, ABSOLUTELY I WOULD HAVE JUMPED UP AND DOWN TO PAY YOU FIVE
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75 RATHER THAN THE EXCAVATION.SO THE EXCAVATION OF THAT POND TOOK PLACE IN JUNE, 2020.
I'M SAYING THAT IN JUNE OF 2020, HAD WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, WE WOULD HAVE SAID WE'D MUCH RATHER PAY THE FIVE 75.
W WHEN DID YOU, WHEN DID Y'ALL DAVE, THE POND? WE DUG THE POND IN NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE SIR, OF 2020, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AREAS.
WHEN WE DUG THAT POND ONLY AFTER WE GOT IT, HAD TO BE IN LATE NOVEMBER.
DID ANYBODY THINK BEFORE WE GO SPENDING $150,000 BUILDING THIS POND A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS OUR, THIS IS OUR ARC.
I MEAN, YOU KNEW AT THAT POINT, SCOTT WAS LONG GONE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, MEGAN HAD TEMPORARILY TAKEN OVER.
CHRIS WAS MADE TEMPORARY AND THEN PROMOTED TO FULL-TIME CITY MANAGER.
I MEAN, SO NOVEMBER, 2020, HE'S PROBABLY ON THE JOB SIX MONTHS AT THIS TIME, NOBODY THOUGHT AT THIS TIME, BEFORE WE GO DIG IN EVEN DEEPER HOLE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
WHEN WE SAY THIS IS A BIG INVESTMENT.
YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT IT WOULD BE WAY MORE EFFICIENT WITH YOUR MONEY TO SPEND THE FIVE 75, BUT THEN, THEN WOULD I'M SURE HIRE THE COMPANY AND DO ALL THAT AS YOU'D LAID OUT.
JUST SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK.
SO JUNE, 2020, WE ALREADY HAVE THE DESIGN DONE.
NO, CHARLES WHEN HE, WE HAD THE MEETING IN JANUARY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS CLOSING DATE WAS, BUT HE PULLED THE TRIGGER TO START THE DESIGN FEBRUARY.
AND THE DESIGN PHASE WENT, YOU KNOW, WE WENT WITH THE DESIGN PHASE FOR THE DEEPER POND FROM FEBRUARY TO APRIL.
I MEAN, SCOTT WAS STILL THERE IN HUNDRED 29 IN FEBRUARY OF 2020.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, SCOTT WAS STILL THERE WHEN WE WENT THAT DIRECTION WITH THE WET POND, THEN IT MUST'VE BEEN JANUARY.
CAUSE HE, SCOTT LEFT THE VERY FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY.
AND SO JANUARY 10TH WAS THE DATE OF THE MEETING.
AND, UH, OUR ENGINEERS WERE PRESENT AND THAT'S WHEN WE WERE GIVEN THE DIRECTION TO GO THAT ROUTE.
WE SUBMITTED PLANS TO THE CITY AND OUR FIRST PLANS I BELIEVE CAME IN IN APRIL.
AND WE'VE OPERATED TO YOUR POINT WITH THOSE SAME PLANS EVER SINCE IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME TO REDO THE PLANS, TO TAKE OUT THE POND BECAUSE SCOTT WAS GONE.
I WAS OKAY, WELL, I'M NOT ASKING THAT I'M ASKING YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
YOU'RE DOING THIS ENTIRELY WITHOUT A DEVELOPER, RIGHT? YES.
OR YOUR CODE SAYS THAT WE MAY, UH, USES THE WORD MAY NOT.
WE'LL WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS IS A BIG EXPENSE THAT TO, TO UNDERGO AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH IT.
I HAVE NO REASON TO DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOUR, YOUR ASSESSMENT OR THE SITUATION IS AS FAR AS THE VALUE OF D TAKING ON THE UNDERTAKING OF DIGGING A DEEPER AND PROVIDING THESE AMENITIES AS LAID OUT.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY NOBODY WENT ONE STEP FURTHER.
YOU HAD A NEW CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE NOTHING ON PAPER OR ON WRITING BEFORE YOU HEARD THAT BIG COST, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD FINALIZE THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES OR, OR THIS CAN COUNT AS A PARKLAND IN LOO, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST AS IS OUR PARKLAND.
I JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS THAT THAT SEEMS A LITTLE RECKLESS TO ME WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR.
UH, WE DID GO OUT TO THE SITE WITH YOUR PARKS DIRECTOR AND SEVERAL CITY MEMBERS AND DISCUSS THE FACT OF WHAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.
THAT TO ME WOULD HAVE BEEN A WONDERFUL TIME FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'D REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS, BUT IN ABSENCE OF THAT, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE USUALLY MAINTAIN WITH CITIES IS YOU ASK US TO DO THINGS.
WE DO THEM, THE SAME THING WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT.
YOU ASK US TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
WE HOPE THAT WE CAN PAY IT ON THE LOTS AS THEY'RE DEVELOPED A KIND OF, I THINK HOW THE LDC READS.
UH, BUT REGARDLESS, IT'S NOT REALLY
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AS STRANGE AS IT MAY SEEM TO YOU NOW, UH, DEVELOPERS DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE CITY AND YOU HAVE A GREAT STAFF HERE TODAY.AND I WOULD PERHAPS SAY THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE PUSHED A LITTLE HARDER, NOT BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY, BUT WITH ALL THE TRANSITION THAT WAS GOING ON.
BUT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
WE'RE TOLD TO TALK TO GEORGE AND THEN GEORGE GOES AWAY AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LONG BEFORE HE LEFT YOUR EMPLOYEE.
HE TOOK A THREE WEEK VACATION FROM WHAT I COULD UNDERSTAND.
AND EVERY TIME WE TALKED TO HIM, HE TOLD US, WELL, I REALLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
WE TRIED TO TALK TO YOUR FINANCE DIRECTOR.
UH, WE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, AND WE JUST KEPT PRODUCING COPIES.
AND WITH ALL THE TRANSITION THAT WAS GOING ON IN YOUR STAFF, WE UNDERSTAND NOW THAT IF THIS WAS TO BE REPEATED, WE WOULD HALT THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL.
I HAVE A CITY RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IT'S, AS I SAID, THEY'VE ASKED US TO SPEED UP OUR PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE RELATIONSHIP WE USUALLY SEE WITH CITIES.
SO I HAD NO REASON TO DOUBT THIS.
UH, I ALSO HAD NO REASON WHEN I GAVE MY WORD AND SAID, WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL HONOR YOUR YES, WE'LL BUILD THIS.
WE STARTED THE PROCESS, NEVER OCCURRED TO ME TO GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, CAN WE RENEGOTIATE THIS AND GET RID OF THIS DEEP PARK? UH, PERSONALLY, I THINK IT ACTUALLY WILL HELP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S RIGHT ON THE WAY THE FAIRGROUNDS HAVING A POND THERE MAKES GOOD SENSE TO ME HAVING A POND WITH A FOUNTAIN ON IT.
IT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT MORE ATTRACTIVE.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE OTHER THREE CORNERS AND WE PUT PONDS ON THOSE WITH FOUNTAINS, YOU END UP WITH ONE MOST PRETTY AREAS OF THE CITY OUT OF SOMETHING THAT WAS ONCE KIND OF BLIGHTED.
AND, UH, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD DECISION, UH, IN HINDSIGHT, WHICH IS 2020, IT WAS DUMBER THAN DUMB.
I SHOULD HAVE SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN MAY AND JUNE UNTIL WE HAVE SOMETHING SIGNED, BUT I DIDN'T.
AND I APOLOGIZE TO THIS COUNCIL FOR THAT.
AND WE WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR WHATEVER MY IGNORANCE IS IN THE FORM OF WHATEVER FEES YOU ASSESS US, MR. RON SMITH, UM, I'M OPEN TO WORKING WITH YOU ON, UH, DOING IT IN PHASES.
SO INSTEAD OF PAYING IT ALL ON AT ONCE, LIKE THE LDC SAYS, IF YOU, IF YOU DO ONE PHASE, YOU PAY THE ACQUISITION FEES AND THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES FOR THAT PHASE.
SO THAT WILL HELP YOU, AS YOU SAID, PAY FOR IT AS YOU GO WITH THE HOUSES.
SO YOU HAVE SOME SENSE OF DIRECTION RIGHT NOW.
SO HE'S PAYING ALL THE FEES, BUT HE'S PAYING THEM BY FACE, RIGHT? OKAY.
AND WHAT TO THE, THE PARK FEES? SAME.
UH, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION MIGHT BE YELLING ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN OPTION TO LOOK AT IT.
SOME REDUCTION I KNOW, UM, THAT MAY HAPPEN.
THAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S STRICTLY A FULL COUNCIL DECISION.
SINCE I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE, I WAS HOPING MAYBE HE COULD PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW SOME SORT OF DOCUMENTATION OF EXPENSES, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT.
SO
AND LET'S SEE IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO APPLY THAT TO PARKLAND FEE, JUST SORT OF OFFSET CREDIT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
IF COUNCIL, IF COUNCIL WILL ALLOW US THE LATITUDE TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH THOSE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS, WE'LL GET THOSE OUT, UH, LATER THIS WEEK TO THEM.
AND THEN PERHAPS YOU CAN, UH, CHRIS CAN, I'M SURE Y'ALL TALK ON A DAILY BASIS AND PERHAPS, UH, UH, WE CAN COME TO SOME TERMS ON THAT.
AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT YOU, UH, PERHAPS LOOK AT THE CAFE.
I KNOW OTHERS SUBDIVISIONS ARE PAYING AROUND 1500, UH, WE'RE PAYING 27 WHERE A LOWER PRICE POINT THAN A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.
IF COUNCIL COULD AT SOME POINT, LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ROOM TO NEGOTIATE
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THAT WE WOULD SINCERELY APPRECIATE IT.IF NOT, WE WRITE YOU A CHECK FOR WHATEVER NUMBER YOU ASKED FOR, MAKE NO MISTAKE.
THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE SAYING, OH, I WANT MY WAY.
WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE COUNCIL'S HELP.
AND HOPEFULLY NOT CREATING TOO MUCH TROUBLE FOR Y'ALL.
SO I THINK THAT'S A FAIR, THAT'S A FAIR LIKE CHRIS.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK JAVIER QUESTIONING.
SO, UM, MAYBE I'LL TRY TO SAY THIS, RIGHT? SO MR. BOND SMITH SAYS, HEY, THE NORMAL DETENTION WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THIS SIZE BY THIS SIZE, BUT THE POND IS, IS BIGGER THAN THAT.
OR THE TENSION IS BIGGER THAN THAT.
IS THERE A WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT COST IS OR COST DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
RIGHT? I THINK TOTALITY OF THE PROJECT, THEN THAT COULD BE A POINT LOOK AT IS WHAT WOULD HAVE THE COST DIFFERENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN, SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THIS LEVEL.
AND THEN HE WAS ASKED TO GO TO THIS LEVEL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY MORE COST.
SO CAN, CAN YOU ALL FIGURE THAT OUT? THANK YOU, MIGUEL.
MIGUEL COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THE QUESTION A LOT EASIER IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PAY A CONTRACTOR, A CERTAIN DOLLAR PER CUBIC YARD TO DIG DIRT, THEN THE EXIT DIRT THAT HE DUG, BUT NO MORE THAN HE NEEDED TO, TO PROVIDE THE DETENTION IS THE DELTA DOLLAR.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF GUESSED THE DELTA DOLLAR YOU LOOKING FOR FROM ABOUT THE WATER SURFACE NOW DOWN TO THE BOTTOM IS WHAT YOU DID NOT REALLY HAVE TO DIG TO PROVIDE DETENTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE AN ACTUAL CONTRACT FOR KYBER RESERVE.
UM, WE DID THE WHOLE DETENTION FOR BOTH PHASE ONE AND TWO.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS A CREDIT FOR THE EXTRA DIRT FOR THE POND AND ALSO FOR THE SWELLS THAT WE HAD TO PUT BETWEEN OUR SUBDIVISION AND THE SUBDIVISION ON EVANS STREET, BECAUSE WE DID RAISE THE PROPERTY AND WE DID HAVE TO PUT THE SWELLS IN FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA DIRT.
SO WE DO HAVE A FIXED UNIT PRICE ON THOSE THREE.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU FOR YOU TO SUBMIT BACK TO US, OKAY, Y'ALL WORKED THE NUTS AND BOLTS OUT AND GIVE US THOSE FACTS, THOSE NUMBERS, AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT THAT'S THE NEGOTIATION TOOL THAT WE CAN APPLY SOME CREDITS, AND THAT WOULD HELP THIS PROCESS ALONG, SIR.
SO I'M GETTING THE FEELING THAT WE'RE POSTPONING THIS TO A FUTURE MEETING TO REVIEW.
DO YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST GET SOMETHING TO US SO WE CAN APPROVE IT? THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF, UM, ALL FEES PAID BY PHASE OR WHATEVER.
WHATEVER Y'ALL COME TO THE AGREEMENT WITH AND PRESENT TO US.
IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH, MR. MARK SMITH? THAT'S VERY COOL.
AND IF WE COULD, UH, ASK AT LEAST FOR STAFF TO REVIEW SOME OF THE AMENITIES THEY WERE ASKED TO ADD TO IT SUCH AS THE FOUNTAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT FLOWS ON THE SAME THING AND FRANKLY, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE MUCH BETTER FOR THE CITY ON THAT CORNER TO HAVE AN ACTIVE POND WITH FOUNTAINS THAN IT WOULD BE JUST A GRASSY PIT.
UH, IF IT WAS MUCH LARGER, WE USUALLY TURN THEM INTO SOCCER FIELDS, BUT THIS ONE WASN'T QUITE LARGE ENOUGH TO TURN INTO A SOCCER FIELD.
UH, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
CHRIS, WE'LL GET THE, UH, THE NUMBERS TO YOU.
AS SOON AS WE CAN, WITH THE FACT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH MIGUEL AND WE KNOW HE'S BUSY.
COULD WE GET THEM TO YOU NEXT WEEK? YEAH.
SO I MEAN, THE NEXT AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL IS APRIL 13.
YOU GIVE US SOME TIME TO REVIEW WHATEVER YOU SUBMITTED.
AND SO IF WE DON'T GET IN TIME FOR COUNCIL, THEN IT GETS BUMPED TO THE NEXT.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR HANGING TIGHT WITH US, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A, AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE VERY, JUST BE HONEST.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME FLAWS THAT WE NEED TO WORK.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN A CITY WITH SIX DEVELOPMENTS MOVING AT THE SAME TIME AT A VERY FAST PACE.
SO I REALIZED THAT WE GOT SOME THINGS TO DO AS, AS CITY AND THEY HAVE A PLAN THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK ON TO GET US TO THAT POINT WHERE IT'S SMOOTH AS GLASS.
UM, THE RESERVE, MR. HOLLY, THANK YOU.
UM, GOT A SECOND VACCINE SHOT YESTERDAY AND IT DIDN'T GO TOO WELL.
SO IF I SIT DOWN AT ALL, UM, AARON, KITCHEN'S GOING TO JUMP UP HERE.
HE'S A HEAD OF DEVELOPMENT FOR US AND HE'LL TAKE OVER A LITTLE FOGGY RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE CAME INTO ANGLETON OVER A YEAR AGO.
UH, WE MET WITH SCOTT AND RANDY SAID, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO DO A DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF ANGLETON.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE CITY.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING DOWN ON COUNTY ROAD, TWO 20, UH, NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
UH, DO YOU, UH, WANT TO SELL US UTILITIES? SCOTT'S UH, YEAH, WE'D LOVE TO SELL YOU UTILITIES, BUT YOU NEED TO COME IN AND MEET
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WITH COUNCIL AND SEE IF THEY'D LIKE TO ANNEX THE PROJECT.WE CAME IN AND MET WITH COUNCIL.
WE SHOWED THEM A SLIDE SHOW ON THIS IS HOW WE DO OUR COMMUNITIES.
IT'S A ONE LOT SUBDIVISION, JUST ONE FLIGHTED, LOT, 837 SPACES.
WE LEASE THE LAND TO HOMEOWNERS.
UH, THE CITY SAID, HEY, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ANNEX YOU, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SELL YOU UTILITIES AND, UH, DIRECTED STAFF TO WORK ON SOME NUMBERS FOR THAT.
UH, WE MET, UH, BAKER LAWSON AND US WENT AND MET WITH ENGINEERING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WRIGHT SAT IN ON THAT MEETING.
AND I SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BASICALLY SAYING WHAT YOU SAID IN THAT MEETING, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REPRESENTS THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
ALSO ASKED, HEY, I'M ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD FOR YOUR PROJECT.
CAN YOU MOVE EVERYTHING BACK 200 FEET? WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT AS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL THERE.
ALSO, THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT THERE WAS A WEDDING CHAPEL OUT THERE ON THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO US.
COULD WE MOVE THE HOMES AWAY FROM THAT WEDDING CHAPEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DRAINAGE DITCH AND PUT UPON THERE.
SO WE SHIFTED UPON AT THAT POINT, IT'S ALL PAPER.
WE WROTE UP A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, WE SENT IT TO BAKER AND LAWSON.
WE ASKED THEM TO REVIEW IT AGAINST THE SLIDESHOW AND SAID, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE MISSING OR THAT WE SAID THAT IT WASN'T COVERED IN THAT THEY THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS THERE.
WE SENT THAT IN AN APRIL, UH, DID NOT GET ANY RESPONSE, DID NOT GET ANY RED LINE, NOTHING.
I KEPT PUSHING ON IT IN A MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, JUNE OR JULY.
WE GOT A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FROM THE, FROM SOMEONE NAMED WAYNE.
WHO'S NO LONGER WITH THE CITY.
IT SAID THAT WE HAD TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY WITHIN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS.
SO THEY DIDN'T WANT TO STAY ON XN.
IT SAID THAT WE HAD TO PLAT EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT.
WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OWNER, UH, YOU DON'T PLAT 837 LOTS AND PAY TAXES ON 837 LAWS TO THE COUNTY AND 837 LAWS TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH THAT'S IT'S LIKE A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
THERE WAS ONE OWNER, EVERYBODY ELSE LEASES, THAT'S IT.
SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I WAS NOT HAPPY ABOUT GETTING THAT.
I, UH, GOT AHOLD OF BAKER AND LAWSON AND DOUG TALKED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHY WAYNE SENT THAT.
UM, I SAID, NO, I'M COMING TOMORROW.
I'M CLEARING MY SCHEDULE, MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.
THE CITY MANAGER, UH, DOUG AND ROBIN WENT OVER AND MET WITH SCOTT.
I MEAN, WITH CHRIS, I'M SORRY.
AND UH, CHRIS SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT GOT SENT OUT.
UH, HALF THE STAFF HASN'T EVEN LOOKED AT IT YET.
NO, ONE'S RED LINE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GOT THAT.
UH, WE REQUESTED A RED LINE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE WROTE.
UH, I NEVER GOT ANYTHING IN OCTOBER.
WE RESUBMITTED OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING COUNCIL'S ALREADY IN THEIR PACKET.
WHEN THEY APPROVED SAID NEGOTIATE, A PRICE.
HBR GAVE A PRICE OF A $3 MILLION TO BRING THE SEWER LINE FROM LIFT STATION.
THAT'S NOT BEING USED AT THE CITY, PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR IT'S NOT BEING USED ON COUNTY ROAD TWO 20.
WE WOULD PAY TO BRING IT UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS OVER TO THE OVERPASS ON THE BOB PELTIER'S PROPERTY, AND THEN HEAD SOUTH OVER ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
IT BENEFITS EVERY, EVERY LANDOWNER ON THE WEST SIDE, ON BOTH THE NORTH SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD, TWO 20, IT COSTS US ABOUT 1,000,008 SAID FINE, NO PROBLEM.
UH, YOUR IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY A MILLION TO FIND NO PROBLEM.
IT, UH, WE'RE PUTTING IN 31 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE STREETS.
THE PRIVATE, WE TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY.
YES, WE'RE IN THE ETJ, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ON THE PROJECT.
UH, UNLIKE MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE, I'M NOT ARGUING ABOUT FEE, I'M TRYING TO PAY YOU THE FEE THAT HBR GAVE YOU, YOU APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION.
THE UTILITY AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR PACKET THAT WENT THROUGH COUNCIL, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
WE JUST CAN'T GET A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND HONESTLY, I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SMALL CITY AND YOU'RE GROWING AND STUFF, BUT THIS COULD BE FINISHED IN A WEEK.
UH, WE DO LAND DEVELOPMENT, DO LAND DEVELOPMENT ALL OVER 13 DIFFERENT STATES.
THIS, THIS IS A KIND OF MAJOR ORDEAL.
THIS IS STAFF SITTING DOWN WITH SOME DEVELOPERS GOING THROUGH SOME THINGS AND THEN PRESENTING IT TO COUNCIL.
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I AM TRYING TO GIVE YOU A CHECK FOR $3 MILLION.I'VE GOT A $150 MILLION DEBT LOAN BEING PUT IN PLACE NEXT MONTH.
THIS IS ONE OF THE SIX PROJECTS THAT THIS COVERS I'VE ALREADY GOT 17 MILLION RAISE FOR THIS AND EQUITY.
WE'RE READY TO GIVE YOU A CHECK, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, NO ONE ELSE SIGNED A UTILITY AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND, UH, WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
UH, I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD IS WE WANT TO GET A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT IS WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT, UH, WHAT BACKTRACK THE DEVELOPERS DO, BUT THAT WE, THAT WE WANT TO PUT IN PLACE PROTECTS US, PROTECTS YOU, WHICH WAS WE ALL WANT TO DO.
AND THEN ONCE WE WANT TO HAVE THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT THAT WE REALIZED DURING THE APRIL MEETING THAT WE DID, WHEN Y'ALL CAME INTO THE PRESENTATION, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON ITEMS, LANDSCAPING, STREETS, CORRECT.
ALL THAT STUFF THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON IS WHAT WE UP HERE DISCUSS WITH YOU, THAT MEETING, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SO TONIGHT'S DIRECTION IS WITH STAFF IS GO THAT MEETING, LISTEN TO THE TAPE.
LET'S PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE THAT SAYS STREETWEAR OR CARBON GIRDER, WHATEVER WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S ALL IN THERE THAT WE ALL VERBALLY AT THAT NIGHT SAID, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
AND LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DO, UM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROTECT US AND PROTECT YOU.
YOU KNOW, ONE DAY THAT COULD BE IN THE CITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A SOLID PROJECT AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR ITEM.
YOU CAN GET EVERYTHING SIGNED, MAYBE GET THE $3 MILLION CHECK.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GET TO.
UM, BUT, UH, IF WE COULD GET THAT TYPE OF AGREEMENT WITH OUR STAFF AND YOU GUYS, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WHAT ARE WE TALKING ON TIMELINE ON THAT WE, WE, WE NEVER GET DATES EVER.
SO WE'RE TELLING YOU, SEE, WE'RE MOVING AGGRESSIVELY TONIGHT WITH EVERYBODY.
UM, IT IS A PRIORITY AND WE, WE, I THINK WE NEED TO GET EVERYBODY'S IN LINE.
SO STAFF, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK A GOOD TIMELINE COULD BE TO CONVERSE? SO BY THE END OF THE WEEK, WALTER AND, AND OR LINDSAY WILL SEND YOU WHAT WE REQUIRE.
WHAT'S YOUR REQUIRE, UH, SHRUBBERY STREET SIZE, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IN THE MEETING, THE MEETING THAT WE SAT HERE PROBABLY 30, 40 MINUTES.
AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH, I THINK, YEAH, FRIDAY YOU CAN SIT, WE'LL HAVE IT, YOU'LL HAVE IT BY FRIDAY.
SO YOU SEND IT BACK, YOU KNOW, FILL IT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, PUT, YOU KNOW, SIX FOOT TREES IN EACH YARD OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT IS, 31 FOOT STREETS OR SIDEWALKS, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS.
WE, WE ADDED ALL THAT IN OUR AGREEMENT THAT, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE STARTING POINT.
WALTER'S GOING TO GO AHEAD, WALTER, COME ON THE PODIUM, PLEASE, SIR.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UH, LINDSAY AND I ARE BOTH SITTING IN MEETINGS ALL DAY TOMORROW.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO A TAPE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS WAS DISCUSSED BECAUSE NEITHER ONE OF US WORKED HERE AT THE TIME.
UH, THURSDAY, WE'VE GOT A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME TO DO IT.
THIS HAPPENS BY FRIDAY UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE LISTENS TO IT AND LISTS THOSE ITEMS. AND WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT.
SO CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A GOOD TIMELINE NEXT WEEK? I THINK FRIDAY NEXT WEEK WOULD BE FINE.
IT'S AT LEAST TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO START.
WELL THAT'S PRIORITY W AND WE'LL GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
RIGHT? UH, I ALSO, BEFORE I LEAVE, UH, I DON'T WANT TO BE TOTALLY NEGATIVE.
IF WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT PROJECT, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER THAN ANY OF YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SEE A FINISH.
BUT I WOULD COUNSEL THAT NORMALLY WHEN YOU GO ON A CITY, THEY HAVE A CALENDAR AND THEY GIVE IT TO YOU.
THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER.
AND IT SHOWS EVERY P AND Z MEETING, EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, EVERY OTHER MEETING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
AND WHEN THINGS HAVE TO BE IN TO BE ON ALL THOSE, THEY ALSO GIVE YOU A REALLY IMPORTANT SHEET AND THAT'S ALL THE FEES.
AND IT APPLIES TO EVERY SINGLE FEE THAT THE CITY HAS ON IMPACT FEES, CABS, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND THERE WAS NEVER A QUESTION.
WE WALK INTO DENTON, KYLE BUDDHA, FRISCO, DALLAS, HOUSTON, SPLENDORA, UH, KATIE.
IT, WE ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.
AND, UH, LISTENING HERE TODAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY ARE ON THEIR PROJECTS.
THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR NUMBERS.
YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA GET THAT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT YOU CAN HAND TO PEOPLE.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.
THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE GOALS THAT I REQUESTED FROM STAFF, BUT
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NOT MAKING EXCUSES, BUT WE'VE HAD THIS TURNOVER AND WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GETTING A FOOT TO GET THAT PROJECT GOING.MAKING EXCUSES WE'VE HAD TURNOVER.
AND HE HAD COVID COVID WE HAD EVERYTHING.
AND CHRIS KNOWS THAT WITH DEVELOPER SERVICES, A PLAYBOOK THAT EVERYBODY GETS, AND WE KNOW HOW TO PLAY IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON, AND YOU'RE HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
WE JUST HAVE TO GET IT TO, SO MR. MAYOR, WITH THE FEE SCHEDULE, WE'RE ALMOST THERE.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY WORKED ON A DRAFT, UH, BACK AND FORTH.
UH, SO YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR FEES ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND SO PUTTING THEM IN ONE PLACE, JUST AS Y'ALL SUGGESTED, SO THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO SHEETS THAT LIST EVERY SINGLE FEE IN THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S, UH, OPERATED DANCE HALL FOR $25, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CALF FEE.
UH, AND THE SECOND PART IS, UH, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE KING'S BROUGHT THAT TO US WHEN, UH, THEY BROUGHT THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USED TO, YOU KNOW, FINDING A PLACE WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT THE CHECKLIST AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS, AND THEN YOU DO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UPFRONT, AND THEN YOU MOVE DOWN, DOWN THE LIST.
AND IF THERE'S THINGS THAT DON'T APPLY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE SCRATCHED ROOM, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO, UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGED WE STILL NEED TO GET THERE.
AND YOU AS WELL, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION.
MATTER OF FACT, EVEN JUST WITHIN THE LAST FEW DAYS, MATTER OF FACT, YOU REMEMBER YESTERDAY, WE TALKED ABOUT, WHEN WE START DEVELOPING THESE TOOLS, WE WILL BE CALLING SOME OF YOU GUYS TO COME AND HELP AND SAPPY TO DO IT AND HELP US WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND WITH YOU GUYS AND YOUR, OUR GROWING PAINS, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ASK SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS TO COME TO THE TABLE TO HELP US FORMULATE SOME OF THAT.
THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO, DO YOU HAVE IT, YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH YOUR FORMS OR DO YOU HAVE YOUR LIST OF WHAT YOU THINK TO REQUEST OR FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT YOU DON'T MIND? UM, WELL, I GUESS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LIST, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE UTILITY AGREEMENT, IS THAT UTILITY AGREEMENT, NO COMMENTS.
IF WE PASSED IT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE CAN'T SIGN IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE NEXT PIECE.
SO WE AUTHORIZED A HDR TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, PENDING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT UTILITY AGREEMENTS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
I SEE THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET ON THAT EXHIBIT B ARE THE ITEMS THAT I THINK WE ARE IN DISCUSSION OF.
SO THAT'LL BE, THAT IS WHAT WE, UM, EXPECT STAFF TO LIST.
AS, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE, THE AUDIO OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THOSE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE REFLECTED NOW THE LANGUAGE.
AND THEN IF IT'S NOT AN A BULLET POINT BULLET POINT FORMAT, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR QUITE SOME TIME FOR, FOR OUR RED LINE.
WE BELIEVE THOUGH THAT THAT EXHIBIT B ARE THE DEVELOPMENT OBLIGATIONS.
WE WERE MORE THAN WILLING TO COMMIT OURSELVES TO.
OKAY, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT ONCE THEY LISTENED TO THE TAPE, IF THEY CAN HEAR IT, UH, THAT SHOULD HELP US SOLIDIFY THIS.
AND JUST FOR CONTEXT, AS FAR AS NOT STARTING PROJECTS, WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, WE ARE ON PAUSE.
WE ARE FULLY APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
WE ARE READY TO START CONSTRUCTION.
WE ARE SUFFERING LOSS AS A RESULT OF DELAYS.
MY REQUEST IS ONCE WE HAVE A RED LINE THAT WE HAVE SOME COMMITMENT TURNAROUND TIMES, I KNOW IT HELPED TO HIT THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE HAVE BEEN SITTING, UH, ON PAUSE FROM, FROM ABOUT APRIL OF LAST YEAR WITH ABSOLUTELY NO RED LINES TO OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REGARDING THE COUNTY.
DO YOU HAVE LIKE A SIGNED LETTER OF APPROVAL OR JUST, YEAH.
WE ACTUALLY HAD THE SCIENCE STAMP SET HERE IF YOU WANT IT.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT PENDING ANY, UH, CITY APPROVAL OR ANYBODY ELSE, UH, PRELIMINARY PLATS APPROVED, UH, OBVIOUSLY STILL SUBJECT TO A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
AND REMEMBER, THIS IS A ONE LOT PLAT, WE'RE NOT SUBDIVIDING, THIS ISN'T FEE SIMPLE LOTS.
THIS IS ALL PRIVATE IMPROVEMENT.
WE'RE APPROVING THE PLAN, CORRECT.
THAT IS ETJ WELL, SPECIFICALLY QUESTIONED THE NECESSARY FULL APPROVALS SIGNED AND SEALED FROM BRAZORIA COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
I JUST, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SIT BACK AND NOT SAY ANYTHING.
UM, SO THE FIRST THING IS YOU SAID THAT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE PLAT AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LEASING OUT
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ALL THIS PROPERTY, UH, FOR THESE HOUSES.UM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE ON OUR ETJ, YOU'RE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY AND YOU PUT ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND I'M TAKING IT, YOUR WORD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR 30 YEARS A YEAR, DEVELOP OUT, BUT ALSO HAVE TO PREPARE THAT I'M PROTECTING THE CITY AS WELL, THAT YOU CAN PUT THREE HOUSES DOWN AND TURN AROUND AND WALK AWAY TOMORROW.
AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STANDARDS FOR ROADS AND, AND THOSE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, AND YOU'RE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT THAT DAY WAS MAKING SURE THAT IT'S THERE IN CASE YOU DO WALK AWAY.
AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN AROUND AND DEVELOP IT OUT SOMEHOW DOWN THE ROAD, W WE CAN CHECK WITH BAKER AND LAWSON, BUT I BELIEVE WE EXCEED EVERY CITY REQUIREMENT FOR A ROAD.
I'M 31 FOOT WIDE WITH CURBS ON BOTH SIDES.
ALL THE DRAINAGE IS UNDERGROUND.
THERE'S NO DITCHES, ALL UTILITIES ARE UNDERGROUND.
YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE GO VERY HIGH END FOR THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT.
AND, UH, I, I WENT THROUGH EXHIBIT B AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ALL THE OTHER PIECES OF THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE SHRUBBERY AND HOW, JUST MAKING SURE IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BEEFED UP THEN WHAT THIS IS, BUT WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE A RED LINE.
UH, WHAT GOT US TICKED WAS YOU HAVE TO ANNEX WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AFTER COUNCIL ALREADY SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO ANNEX YOU, BUT WHERE IT SAID YOU HAVE TO PLATTE EVERY INDIVIDUAL LOT.
YOU DON'T DO THAT ON A MULTIFAMILY STYLE PROJECT.
SO AT ANY TIME FROM THE LAST TIME WE TALKED TO NOW, UM, DID YOU WALK AWAY FROM THE PROJECT FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN COME BACK? NO, I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY LAST JANUARY.
SO YOU'VE BEEN WAITING ON THE CITY SINCE THE TIME WE TALKED SINCE ABOUT APRIL.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOLLAND? AND I AM SAYING THAT RIGHT.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, THERE'LL BE IN CONTACT BY NEXT FRIDAY, IF NOT, COULD BE SOONER, AT LEAST FOR QUESTIONS, BUT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE REACHING OUT.
AND YEAH, AND WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH AND YOU MEETING WITH THIS COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
WE'LL BE ALONG, UM, RIVERWOOD RANCH, MICHAEL CARROLL, MICHAEL FOLEY ARE THE LAST ONES.
THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING OUT WITH US.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU GUYS ARE TRYING HARD AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO KIND OF BRING ALL THE DEVELOPERS TOGETHER TO, UM, ADDRESS THESE TH THESE ISSUES.
UM, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, THAT ARE RELATIVELY, I THINK, EASY, UH, TO DISCUSS IN RELATION TO OUR, UM, UH, COST FACILITIES, REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.
I'LL LET MIKE FOLEY, UH, DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PARK FEES AND I MIGHT, UH, FOLLOW UP IN CONCLUSION.
UM, THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION IS IN OUR COSTS, FACILITIES, REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, UM, THE WAY THAT, UH, THE TERS AND THE PYD WORK, THE TERS, UH, ASSESSMENTS GO TO PAY DOWN THE PIT ASSESSMENTS.
UM, THEY DON'T GO DIRECTLY TO THE DEVELOPER AND, AND WE HIRED A MARSH DARCY PARTNERS.
UM, WHO'S BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCIL AND, UH, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER.
AND WE HAD A CALL REGARDING, UH, HOW IT WAS WRITTEN IN SECTION B OF THE COST FACILITIES, REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND, UM, THIS DARCY BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT THAT WE PROBABLY WANT TO MEND THAT AT THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT.
AND I HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD SENT OVER TO COUNCIL WITH SOME LANGUAGE INSTEAD OF HAVING BEING ASSESSED ON AN INDIVIDUAL LOT BASIS, WHICH WOULD CAUSE AN ACCOUNTING NIGHTMARE FOR THE CITY.
UM, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASSESSING THE ENTIRE, UM, TERS ASSESSMENT AND SPREADING IT EQUALLY OVER EACH LINE.
UM, IT'S RELATIVELY, UH, IT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO IT.
UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE, THE ASSESSMENTS OR THE PAY DOWNS, UM, AND IT'S THE MOST EQUITABLE TO ALL MEMBERS IN THE SUBDIVISION.
SO WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, UH, THAT'S THE FIRST ITEM, SECOND ITEM.
UM, AND CHRIS AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS A FEW TIMES, UM, REFERS TO, WE HAD A, UH, UH, IN OUR AGREEMENT, IT STATED EXHIBIT B WAS TO BE SOME AGREEMENT FOR SOME SIGNAGE THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO, TO, TO, UM, PUT UP ON BEHALF OF THE, OF MARKETING THE SUBDIVISION, UM, THE AGREEMENT REFERENCES THAT, THAT ALLOWANCE, EXCUSE ME, HOPE TO HEAR ANYBODY,
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UH, THE AGREEMENT ALLOWS FOR THAT.UM, HOWEVER, I THINK THERE WAS A CLERICAL ERROR AND THE EXHIBIT NEVER MADE IT IN TO THE AGREEMENT.
SO THE AGREEMENT STATES THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER TO CAN DO.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SPOTS AROUND THE CITY THAT, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT MAYBE IN THE INITIAL EXHIBIT, UM, WERE UNFEASIBLE AND WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN.
AND I KNOW CHRIS AND I CAN PROBABLY HAMMER OUT A COUPLE OF SPOTS THAT WOULD WORK WELL WITH W WITH ONE ANOTHER.
AND SO IN OUR AMENDMENT TO THAT, I HAD SOME LANGUAGE THAT, THAT STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, W UH, WE REQUEST THE COUNCIL JUST TO ABIDE BY THE, THE ALLOWANCE OF THE EXHIBIT PREDICATED UPON THE AGREEMENT OF CHRIS AND I, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THESE IN THE, IN, IN, IN, IN, UH, FEASIBLE SPOTS, UM, AND THAT, AND I'M SURE THAT WILL COME FROM THE COUNCIL.
AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER CAN AGREE TO THAT ON MINOR, MINOR THINGS SUCH AS THAT, UM, THAT'S IN THE CODE.
UM, LASTLY, AND I'LL LET MIKE KIND OF DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PARK FEES AND I'LL JUMP BACK IN AND, AND, UH, WRAP UP IN CASE ANYBODY HAS SOME QUESTIONS.
I THINK CHRIS WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING IN REGARDS TO THAT.
AND I DO REMEMBER IN THAT AGREEMENT, THAT PART ABOUT THE SIGNAGE, AND YES, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT IF THAT PIECE WAS TAKEN OUT, WE PROBABLY NEED TO AMEND THAT AND GET THAT SQUARED UP.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REQUESTED SITES ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, CITY PROPERTY AND NOT TXDOT OR SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO JUST SOME, OUR CODE TALKS ABOUT SPECIFICATIONS TO SIGNAGE KNOW, LAYING PIPE WITH MATERIAL AND YEAH.
ON, ON THE AMENDMENT, UM, THAT I HAVE IT WRITTEN THAT, UH, NO, OBVIOUSLY ANY SIGNAGE WILL BE APPROVED, UM, NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE PHARMACY STAFF OR CONGRESS WITH THEIR, UH, THE SIGNAGE ORDINANCE.
AND WE'LL PRESENT THOSE SIGNS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW TWO AND FOUR.
SO WE'RE HERE ALSO TO ADDRESS, UM, BC ERA ISSUES BEFORE CHRIS ISSUES.
UM, PLUS WE WERE LUCKY WE WERE THE ONLY DEVELOPER THAT GOT SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM SCOTT, I THINK IS THE ONLY EMAIL HE PROBABLY EVER SENT AND WRITING UH, WE WERE LUCKY TO FIND OUR ENGINEER ACTUALLY FOUND IT.
SO THIS WAS BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2019.
ROBIN SENT THEM OUR PROPOSED DETENTION POND AND ASKED FOR FEEDBACK ON IF WE'D MEET THE PARKLAND INDICATION.
SCOTT ASKED, WILL YOU BE ADDING AROUND THE POND, INCLUDING TRAILS BENCHES, ET CETERA, WILL THE POND INCLUDE A FOUNTAIN AND BE WET BOTTOM? AND THEN DOUG SAID, WE EXPECT A WALKING TRAIL, TREES, BENCHES, BATCHES OF FOUNTAIN, ET CETERA.
AND SCOTT SAID IN WRITING, IF THE DEVELOPER PROVIDES MANY OF THESE TRAIL BENCHES FOUND IN THAT COST 185,000 OR GREATER, THE PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER PAGE, THE EXHIBIT I SENT YOU, THAT PARK WAS DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED JEEZ, IN THE BEGINNING OF 2020, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, BUT WE BUDGETED THAT PARK AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN A MILLION DOLLARS WHILE WE'RE SPENDING ON THAT DAY.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE AN AMAZING PARK THERE AND THAT'S WELL OVER WHAT SCOTT ASKED US TO SPEND ON THIS PARK.
SO WE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TRYING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING NICE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
YOU LOOK, IT'S GOT THE NICE WET POND.
IT'S GOT SOCCER FIELDS THERE, NICE WALKING TRAIL AROUND IT, A BUNCH OF TREES FOR EVERY, A GREAT ENTRY SIGN.
SO WE'RE, WE WERE PREPARED TO DO ALL THIS.
AND THEN WE WERE TOLD BY MEGAN THAT ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE PARK FEES FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, ALL 318, LOTS UPFRONT ALONGSIDE US ALREADY SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY TO DO THE DETENTION POND THAT WAY WITH THE WET DETENTION, LIKE THE OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE DISCUSSED IN THE AREA FOR THE SOCCER FIELD.
IT'S BEEN DESIGNED IN MIND FOR THIS PARK AND WE'D HAVE EXTRA AND USABLE SPACE THAT WE COULD HAVE USED FOR LOTS IN THE PAST WHEN WE DID THE ENGINEERING ON IT.
AND ALL THIS WAS BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, SCOTT, ALBERT, WHO'S NO LONGER HERE, BUT WE WERE NEVER GIVEN CLARIFICATION AFTER THIS EMAIL THAT ANYTHING WAS DIFFERENT AND WE DESIGN AND BUILD IT ALL TO THAT STANDARD.
SO WE, WE WOULD LIKE OUR PARK FEES TO BE WAIVED, KNOWING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO SOMETHING AMAZING HERE.
I MEAN, SPENDING CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON A PART, AND THAT'S JUST FOR SECTIONS ONE AND TWO, I MEAN, WE HAVE MORE PARKLAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN FUTURE SECTION.
SO OUR COSTS COULD GET CLOSER TO OUR 50,000 WHEN WE'RE ALL SAID AND DONE ON PARKS, BUT, UH, YEAH, WITH CONSIDERATION FOR THAT, WE'D LIKE OUR PARK, THESE ONES, THANK YOU FOR THE DOCUMENTATION.
AND, UH, AND I, I KNEW I HAD SEEN THIS ONCE BEFORE.
I CAN'T TELL WHEN, BUT I REMEMBER SEEING THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING, NOT SO MUCH THE
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MONUMENTAL THANK PETE, UH, ITEM HERE, BUT I REMEMBER SEEING THIS PART AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH THE EMAILS THAT SHOW YOUR CORRESPONDENCE WITH PAST EMPLOYEE, UM, COUNSEL, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SAW WHAT WE'VE DONE TONIGHT ALREADY, UM, TO MOVE, TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD.
HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA SMELL IT? SO OUR BUDGET FOR WHAT IS SHOWN THERE IS FOUR AND $89,000 IS MOST OF THAT RELATING TO THE LAKE? UM, NO THAT'S MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON IT, BUT I MEAN, SO WE HAVE MONUMENT TRAIL, PICNIC, AREA, PLAYGROUND, SPORTS, FIELD SOFTSCAPE LAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND DETENTION POND SLOPE INCLUDES ALL OF THAT.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE WHAT WE SPENT TO EXCAVATE AND ALL THAT.
DO YOU KNOW OUR LARGEST EXPENSE IS, UM, THE TRAIL OR NO, THE SOFTSCAPE.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HYDROMULCHING SAW TREES, ACCENT TREES, HARDWOOD, BARK, MOLD SHRUBS, GROUND COVER YOUR DATION.
THAT'S ABOUT $150,000 ITEMS. OKAY.
SO ARE YOU BUILDING TO, THERE ARE STANDARDS ON THIS PLAYGROUND AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DISCUSSED.
WE BROUGHT IT UP WITH MR. APLIN EARLIER, TOO, IS ADA COMPLIANCE HAS ALL THE, UM, FEATURES THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR WITH REGARDS TO FALL, FALL AREAS AND ALL THAT.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN CLARIFICATION FROM MEGAN ON THAT IF IT IS OR NOT, OURS WAS MORE PREDICATED JUST BASED OFF THE TOTAL COST WE WERE SPENDING.
IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED THAT WE'D HAVE TO BUILD TOWARDS A CERTAIN COMPLIANCE.
IT WAS JUST, HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU NEED TO SPEND TO GET PARKED DEDICATION FOR YOUR SUBDIVISION.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS PARKLAND TO BE A HOA CONTROLLED HOA? YUP.
THIS IS SOMETHING I KIND OF DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, WE DO EXPECT IT TO BE AN HOA AND, AND, AND, AND THE CITY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, UM, HAS THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE THE NATURE OF PARKLAND.
UM, AND, AND I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT A FEW THINGS HERE WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, PARKLAND DEDICATION IS KIND OF HOW IT'S DEFINED.
UM, LOOK, THE CITY, IN MY VIEW FROM READING THE CODE HAS THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHAT'S EQUITABLE FOR PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND, AND PARKS HAS TO HAVE TO BE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND SO SAYS THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARKS.
UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING TO DEDICATE THIS TO RACHEL WAY, KEEP IT PRIVATE.
UM, AND IN THAT SENSE, IT'S REALLY A CASE BY CASE BY THE CITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S MEETS THE CODE AND IS EQUITABLE TOWARDS THE AREA IN WHICH THE, THAT, THAT PRIVATE PARKS BEING BUILT.
UM, AND I I'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS UP MANY TIMES IN THE CITY.
UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THAT PART OF THE CODE STATES THAT IT'S IT'S APPROPRIATE AND OFTEN DESIRABLE TO ALLOWED DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN SUCH AREAS TO PROVIDE PARK OR RECREATION SPACE AND OPPORTUNITIES TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GENERATING THE DEMAND TO ALLOW THE CITY TO FOCUS ON UNDESERVED AREAS AND CONCENTRATE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE FUNDING, AND OTHER PARKS, EACH PROJECT SHALL BE REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR AND THE DECISION BY CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE CODE, IT, IT DOES GET A LITTLE KID HAIRY TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE'S THIS PUBLIC DEDICATION IN LIEU OF FEES, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO A PORTION OF THE CODE THAT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEDICATE TO THE PUBLIC AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FEES ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS, AS NEEDED BY THE CITY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION, UM, AND THAT NO ONE'S REALLY KIND OF MADE THIS EVENING.
UM, AND I'M HOPING THAT CONSIDERING WE WENT INTO THIS WITH, UM, SOME DIRECTION BY THE CITY MANAGER, AND I THINK WE'VE MET ALL WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE SAID WE'RE
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GOING TO DO, BUT WHEN WE CAME DOWN, WE'VE COME DOWN HERE.UM, WE PAID OUR CATHY'S MADE THOSE ONCE AGO, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INTEREST RUNNING ON NATURAL ALONE.
AND, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING REALLY BEAUTIFUL THERE FOR A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS INSIDE THE SUBDIVISION.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT WOULD BE RECOGNIZED AND, AND HOPEFULLY THE CITY WILL, WILL, WILL DO SO.
SO WHERE ARE YOU NOW IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPING PHASE ONE OR PHASE ONE AND TWO WE'RE DEVELOPING PHASE ONE WE'RE WE'RE WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE, WE'VE ALMOST, WE'RE FINISHED WITH ALMOST PATIENT PAVING AND, UH, I THINK PHASE TWOS AND DESIGN FINISHED PAVING.
WE SHOULD BE STAKING AND GRADING NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE OUR PLAT FOR SECTION TWO COMING IN FRONT OF YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO BE IN APRIL, OR IS IT GOING TO BE, MAY I KNOW ROBIN SUBMITTED IT MAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT PRETTY SHORTLY.
UM, THESE BUILDERS WANT TO GET STARTED IN SECTION TWO, PROBABLY IN JANUARY.
SO WE NEED TO GET THAT PUSHED ALONG.
AND YOU SAID YOU PAID YOUR CAFFEINE THAT'S IN THAT'S FOR PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO.
THE CAP FEE, UM, WAS, UH, IS DEFINED BY THE, UH, UH, COST, UH, REIMBURSE FACILITIES PAYMENT.
AND WE HAD TO PAY THAT, UM, UH, AT THE PRIOR TO RECREATION REPLAT SO WE PAID 150,000 FOR CAFFEINE THEN, AND, UH, I HAVE TO LOOK RIGHT INTO THE PAYMENT TO SEE HOW THE REMAINDER OF BEING PAID ON THE ORDINANCE THAT WE JUST PASSED LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I BELIEVE ON THE, IS IT THE PID THAT WE PASSED? UM, DID YOU HAVE THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES OR IN YOUR KID NUMBER PER LOT? DID WE HAVE A PARKLAND DEDICATION? THE PART THIS 450,000, WAS THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR FEE ASSESSMENT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE SAP PLAN? YES, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS I'D HAVE TO LOOK.
I CAN, I CAN PULL IT UP REAL QUICK.
JUST THE QUESTION, BECAUSE WHETHER YOU PAY US UPFRONT FOR A PARK, UH, TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE VERSUS WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE, AND WE'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED IN YOUR, IN YOUR PHASE ONE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS ARE WE GOING TO MAKE YOU PAY TWICE? IF, IF WE SAID PAY THE PARK FEE, YOU'VE ALREADY ASSESSED IT OVER HERE AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT IT IN YOUR PLANS, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS AND PAY A PART FEE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY ON THE LINE BY LINE ITEM, BUT I WILL DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE ONLY, THE THING THAT I SEE ON, ON YOUR PARK IS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE AND EXPECT YOU WOULD WANT THE SAME THING THAT THE RESIDENTS HERE IN THE SUBDIVISION ARE GOING TO BE USING.
YOU KNOW, THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE IN SOFTBALL AND LITTLE LEAGUE, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ADDRESS IN YOUR PART, BUT WE HAVE THOSE, WE HAVE THOSE FACILITIES AROUND OUR CITY, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A SOCCER FIELD, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, W WE WANT YOU TO BE A PARTNER IN THE CITY.
AND, UH, VEGAN CAN ATTEST TO THIS.
I MEAN, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SOCCER FIELD, I REACHED OUT TO HER FOR HELP.
CAUSE I KNOW SHE'S EX EXPERIENCED DOING IT.
I WANT HER GUIDANCE ON HOW WE SHOULD PUT THE SOCCER FIELD TOGETHER.
AND SHE MENTIONED YOU COULD GET FOOTBALL SLASH SOCCER GOALS.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THIS.
IF I CAN, I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL KNEW WE ACTUALLY DID PROVIDE MINIMUM PARK STANDARDS TO THE GROUP.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVEN'T RECEIVED SPECIFICATIONS.
SO WHILE WE SEE JUST VERY SIMILARLY TO A GRAY STONE, WHILE WE HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT GIVES US NO DETAIL ON THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GOING IN WITH THE TRAIL? IS THAT DG IS THAT CONCRETE? UM, WE, WE HAVE NO STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN SPECIFIED BY THE SITE PLAN.
THE VISUAL GIVES US NO DETAILED INFORMATION, SO THAT WOULD, OF COURSE OBVIOUSLY BE NEEDED.
AND JUST LIKE HE MENTIONED, THE ORDINANCE DOES GIVE YOU A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AS A COUNCIL TO DO, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
TRULY ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS MADE IS THAT THEY DID FILE AND RECORD THEIR FINAL PLAT FOR FIRST PHASE.
THE LDC SPECIFIES THAT THESE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE COMPLETE WITHIN THE RECORDATION OF THE FIRST PHASE, IF IT IS A PHASE PLAN.
SO THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AND THAT PARK HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, YOU ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE ANOTHER CALL ON THAT SPECIFICATION IN THE LDC, BUT WHAT IS REQUIRED CURRENTLY IS THAT THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY BE IN PLACE SINCE THEY HAVE RECORDED THEIR FINAL PLATFORM, THE FIRST PHASE AND OR
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ALTERNATIVE, ALTERNATIVELY, EXCUSE ME, PAY THE FEES IN LIEU OF ONE THING THAT WE DISCUSSED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING WAS THAT WE WOULD BE AS A STAFF OPEN TO AND RECOMMEND IF THEY DECIDED TO DO THE FEES IN LIEU OF ACCEPTING THOSE ON PHASE BY PHASE BASIS, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET.DO YOU HAVE CONCRETE PLANS ON THIS PART THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH MEGAN? THE CONCRETE PLANS ARE UP IN THE AIR BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO PAY THE FEES OR NOT.
I MEAN, IF WE HAD TO PAY THE FEES THAT OUR PLAN CHANGES, THAT'S A HUNDRED TOTAL COST FOR THAT.
THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEDICATE TOWARDS THE PARK OR PAYMENTS.
HOW MUCH? 183,000, WHICH, I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY THAT THEY'VE TAKEN A STEP TOWARDS WANTING TO PHASE THAT ORIGINALLY THEY WANT US TO PAY ALL OF IT UNTIL LUCKILY SCOTT ALBERT'S EMAILS POPPED UP AND NOW, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN AVOID HAVING TO PAY THEM ALL TOGETHER.
UM, BUT WE WILL LOOK TO RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND AGAIN, FOR CLARIFICATION, THE REASON THAT WE WERE NOT LENIENT WITH ANY DEVELOPER ON THAT IS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LDC.
ISN'T IT LIKE WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC DEDICATION OF THE PARK.
SO IF THERE'S A PUBLIC DEDICATION OF THE PARK, THEN YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT MEGAN IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND I RESPECTFULLY, I RESPECT THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER HERE AND, AND IN THE POLICY AND THE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE LDC STATES THAT THAT CITY COUNCIL GETS TO DECIDE ON WHETHER THE NEED FOR A PUBLIC ART WOULD BE THERE.
AND IF IT WAS THEN THE FEES AND LOU WOULD BE AN OPTION, WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, AND ALSO WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THE EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF FEES AND, OR PARKLAND NEED TO NEED TO NOT ONLY GO TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION, BUT THE PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE, UH, IF IT WAS FEES AND, AND A PUBLIC DEDICATION HAS TO BE SPREAD WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THAT IN, IN, UH, ABOVE, BEYOND THAT ON A PRIVATE PARK, UH, YOU KNOW, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, THE CODE SAYS IT'S DESIRABLE TO DO IT THIS WAY.
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF DESIRABILITY AS STATED BY THE CODE WE HAD, WE HAD, WE HAD, WE HAD DIRECTION WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS BY THE FORMER CITY MANAGER.
AND I THINK NOW WE WANT SOME RESOLUTION AND WE'RE HAPPY THAT HAVE THAT RESOLUTION BY, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO RECEIVE THAT.
SO YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT THE PEOPLE THAT BUY SUBDIVISION ARE NOT PRECLUDED FROM USING OTHER CITY PARKS, CORRECT.
THEY'RE NOT THE PERSON THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT EXPLICITLY MANDATED TO ONLY USE YOUR PARK.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A TAX ON THIS PART, THREE SOURCES BY THE ADDITION OF THE HOMES IN YOUR, SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WOULD BE A BALANCE BACK THAT THERE WILL BE SOME NEED, NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU PROVIDED A WALKING PROGRAM.
I, I THINK THAT'S WELL WALKING, WALKING TRAIL BY THE POND.
I'VE DRIVEN BY IT ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU WOULD PUT A QUALITY PRODUCT ON THE GROUND.
I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT SO FAR.
UM, BUT YOU SEE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.
THERE IS A BALANCE HERE THAT IT'S NOT.
WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY PARTIALLY A SELLING POINT FOR YOURSELF AND MAYBE HELP YOU ENHANCE BUYERS AS YOU CONTINUE TO BE COMPETITIVE NATURE PEOPLE.
ANYWAY, IT'S, IT GOES BOTH WAYS AS WELL.
UM, BUT HE DOES, UH, THERE, THERE, YOU'RE BRINGING, YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE THROUGH THE CITY, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE'S ALSO BENEFITS TO THAT.
SO I THINK THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS CAN GO BOTH WAYS.
I ALSO WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S A LITTLE GIVE AND TAKE IN REGARDS TO NEIGHBORING SUBDIVISIONS, ALSO UTILIZING OUR PARK AND PROVIDING BENEFITS TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY HAVING A SOCCER FIELD THERE.
I THINK THAT RESIDENTS IN SOUTH OF US WOULD COME USE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS, THEY'RE PAYING THE HOP PRICE AND MAINTAINING IT.
I THINK IT GOES BOTH WAYS TO THE RESIDENTS.
THEY'RE ALSO IMPACTING THE PARK SYSTEM.
I'LL TELL YOU SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS PRIVATE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE IT LEAST.
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I MEAN, TO SAY THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRIVATE, BUT I MEAN, THE PLAN FOR, AS IT IS, IS TO BE OPEN.NO, YOU GO GO THROUGH NO ROAD IRON FENCE TO GET INTO IT, OR IT'S NOT BEING INSTALLED FROM THE PUBLIC OR OTHER PLANTS TO FENCE IT OFF.
SO JUST TO CORRECT ME, IT WILL BE WIDER.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE STREET SIDEWALK AND THEN YOU COULD GET TO THE PARK.
THERE'S NO BARRIER TO PUT AROUND THE PARK.
SO IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, SOMEBODY COULD, WHO COULD DRIVE THEIR BIKE AND GO, OH, LOOK, THE PLAYGROUND THEY COULD RUN IN THERE, PLAY, COME OUT, YOUR GO BACK HOME OR WHATEVER.
UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THE EMAIL YOU GOT IS THE EQUIVALENCY TO WHAT YOU WOULD'VE PAID IN PARKLAND FEES, CORRECT? CORRECT FROM SCOTT.
AND WHEN WAS THAT EMAIL DATED? LIKE HOW LONG? 2019, NOVEMBER, 2019.
SO DEFINITELY WAY BEFORE A LOT OF US OR AT LEAST ME AND JOHN, AND THEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, UM, UH, AND YOU'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, DIRECTIONS TO GO AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WHATNOT.
SO WE'RE IN A PICKLE AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT PICKLES FOR MAKING IT SOUR, MAKING IT SWEETER, FLAWLESS, PARDON THE PUNS.
UM, BUT, UH, OF COURSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY OUR DECISION GUYS TO WHAT WE WANT TO GO WITH DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO GET SOME SORT OF HARMONIOUS AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE ALL MOVING FORWARD.
UM, I REALLY DON'T LIKE HONORING AN EMAIL FROM A FORMER EMPLOYEE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I UNDERSTAND YOUR SITUATION AND WHAT YOU, YOU WENT FORWARD THINKING THEY GOT DIRECTION.
THIS GUY IS SPEAKING ON THE BEHALF OF THE CITY, BUT MY OTHER ISSUE IS WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICATIONS ON THIS PART.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS CAN YOU GIVE US SPECIFICATIONS ON A PARK AND GET THEM TO MEGAN SO SHE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING? UM, BECAUSE I'M INCLINED THAT IT'S SPECIFICATIONS ARE REASONABLE AND WE CAN ALL MEET ON THAT AND THIS COUNCIL CAN AGREE TO IT.
THEN I WOULD BE OKAY WITH WAIVING THE PARK FEE, IF THE SPECIFICATIONS ARE MET AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT FENCING IT.
AND YOU KNOW, IT DOES SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE BECAUSE YOU ARE ALSO UNDER A PIT.
AND TO ME, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IMPROVING THE CITY.
YOU'RE NOT JUST IMPROVING YOUR AREA.
SO IF THAT PARK IS USABLE FOR EVERYBODY, THEN I'M A MINIMAL TO IT.
SO I DON'T WANT MORE PARKS, HONESTLY.
I WANT US TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE'VE GOT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE, I CAN'T GO BACK TO 2019 AND STOPPED THAT EMAIL.
SO THIS IS A FEW TIMES DISAGREE WITH JOHN.
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE FOR THIS TO COVER ONE AND PHASE TWO, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF, OF, OF THIS BASICALLY SATISFYING THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, PHASE THREE IS YET TO HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
IT'S IT'S IT'S IT SAYS PHASING PLAN, NOT YET DETERMINED FOR THE REMAINING 154 LOTS.
I JUST THINK THAT'S TOO FAR FOR US TO BIND OURSELVES INTO WHERE WE GET NOTHING OR, OR THERE'S NOTHING AROUND BACK.
SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH PARTIALLY WHAT YOU SAY AND THAT'S MEETING THOSE CONTINGENCIES.
YOU LAID OUT ABOUT THE, I GUESS THE REQUIREMENTS ARE OF THE PARK, BUT I THINK THAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH PHASE ONE AND TWO.
AND THEN IF PHASE THREE IS EVER DEVELOPED, WE CAN DEVELOP, WE CAN COME BACK AND ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AT A LATER TIME.
BUT HOW DO WE, IT'S GOING TO BE MR. CARROLL DEVELOPING PHASE THREE ALL OVER AGAIN, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I'M SERIOUSLY SAYING MY SEAT GOING HERE.
I MEAN, I CAN AGREE TO A PERCENTAGE PAYMENT OF IT, NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT 100% OF THE PARK FEES PAID.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WHAT Y'ALL SAID IT EARLIER ABOUT YES, THEY ARE STILL GOING TO BE USING OUR PARKS AND REC FACILITIES NO MATTER WHAT, AND WE NEED MONEY TO MAINTAIN THOSE.
UM, AND IT SAYS BUILT TO THE STANDARDS.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ANOTHER, A WATER FEATURE THERE.
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SPACE WAS ALREADY THERE.IT ALREADY HAD TO BE THERE FOR DRAINAGE REASONS.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, I CAN, I CAN GO WITH PERCENTAGE OF PARKS FEES PAID, BUT, BUT NOT A TOTAL, UH, WAIVER OF PARK FEES.
W W WHAT IS YOUR, UH, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER COUPLE OF COMMUNITY PONDS PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? THIS YEAH.
ABOUT TO BE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE.
THAT SERVES ABOUT HALF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BASICALLY A MIRROR IMAGE.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE A, I THINK I GAVE THE MAYOR THE OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN.
THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY CHANGE THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2018 WHEN, UM, DOUG WAS WATCHING COLLEGE FOOTBALL ON A SUNDAY, BUT IT WAS EXPOSED TO THAT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO A SPECIFIC DESIGN, BUT YOU HAVE MORE PLANS.
AND I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH JOHN AND DISRESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH MY OTHER TWO COUNTERPARTS, WHICH THAT HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY, BUT RESPECTFULLY.
UM, GUYS, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THOUGH, THESE GUYS BUILT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL ALSO ON, BASED ON THIS COST OTHER COSTS, YOU KNOW WHAT MR. ALBERT OBVIOUSLY, UM, SPOKE OF.
AND SO WE WILL GET, I THINK, UM, JUST BE THE GUY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THINGS, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN I GUESS MY COUNTERPARTS, BUT POTENTIALLY 300 MORE FAMILIES COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY, SPENDING THEIR DOLLARS.
HERE'S CREATING THAT SALES TAX THAT ALSO FUNDS A BLC, WHICH IN AROUND CAN'T TRACK IT, BUT THERE'S MONEY THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COME IN TO SUPPORT FAMILIES THAT MAY GO TO VISIT THE OTHER PARKS.
I'M JUST BEING SOMEWHAT SYMPATHETIC.
WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THEY'VE PROBABLY BUILT THEIR MODEL ON THIS COSTS HERE.
AND IF WE TAKE AWAY PART OF IT, MAYBE SOME OF THIS PARK MAY NOT MEET THE STANDARD THAT MAY BE NOT BE APPROPRIATE THAT MEGAN IDENTIFIES, OH, CAUSE WE HAVE TO PINCH HERE TO MAKE THE PARK.
NOW IT MAY NOT MAKE THE STANDARD.
WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GUESSING RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
I, I THINK THEY ARE TO GET TO THAT POINT, TO MAKE THIS PART TO THE STANDARD.
AND WHO KNOWS, THERE MAY BE BETTER THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER PARKS.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
BUT I JUST, MY OPINION IS IS IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME TO THE TABLE WITH, THAT'S HOW THEY DESIGNED IT.
THAT'S HOW THE, ALL THE FIGURES CAME IN.
I WOULD STILL SAY YES, ONLY BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF 300 MORE ADDITIONAL FAMILIES MOVING TO THIS CITY, GOING AND SHOPPING AND SPENDING SALES TAX DOLLARS.
THAT'S COMING TO THE FUTURE FOR YEARS TO COME.
THAT MAY GET MORE MONEY OUT OF THAT.
THEN WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THAT $88,000 SITTING RIGHT HERE, JUST MY 2 CENTS.
JUST GIVING YOU ANOTHER FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
MY CONCERN THAT THAT WOULD BE THAT THIS IS IT'S STILL A PRIVATE PARK.
WHETHER I AGREE THAT YOU CAN'T, WE HAVE TOUGH TIME POLICING THE PARK, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CITY PARK.
SO THE, OUR OTHER RESIDENTS PER SE, WILL NOT BE DRIVING OVER AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEIR PARK.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID, THOUGH, THAT IT WOULD BE PUBLIC PURPOSE.
SO YOU, YOU GO THINK IT NEEDS TO BECOME A PUBLIC PARK.
AND I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES ON, RIGHT.
WOULD IT BE, I MEAN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, LET'S SAY YOU DIDN'T PUT THIS IN AND YOU JUST PAID US THE FEES.
YOU'D BE MAKING MORE MONEY OFF OF IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS INTO A PART, AND NOW YOU'RE JUST TURNING AROUND AND PAYING US THE PARKLAND DEDICATION.
UM, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY IN THE END.
WE'RE THERE TO GET THE STREET BEFORE YOU LEAVE AT GREENSPACE.
I THINK IT'S THE BEAUTIFICATION OF MINUTE T THAT MAKES IT WHAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC PARK COMMENTS.
SO, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING NOW IT'S A PUBLIC PARK OR AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON A MAP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FIND IT BECAUSE I MEAN, WELL, RIGHT.
BUT MY POINT IS, IF WE'RE SAYING IT'S FOR PUBLIC USE, THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY FIND ABOUT IT IS WORD OF MOUTH OR A HAPPENSTANCE OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S HOW I FOUND THE POOL IN RANCHO.
WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED, I WAS JUST DRIVING AROUND AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S A POOL IS THAT AS YOU KNOW, CITY POOL.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, HOA THING.
BUT SO TO ME, IF IT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BE BETTER THAN THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, KNOWS WHERE IT'S AT BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE IT'S AT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, CHRIS WHITAKER GOING LOOK AT MAP AND SEE
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IT'S A PLAYGROUND, IT'S A WALKING TRAIL, IT'S WHATEVER.AND SO I WANT TO GO DRIVE OVER THERE, PARKED SOMEWHERE AND THEN GO WALK.
THAT'S JUST MY EDITORIAL COMMENT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TWO PATHS TO GO DOWN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT OF SOME SORT OF CREDITS IF YOU WILL, OR NON-PAYMENT OR NOT TO PAY.
AND NOW IT'S TO DECIDE AT WHAT POINT IS THE BREAK POINT? IS IT HALF OF IT? WHICH IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE PHASE ONE AND TWO ARE EQUAL TO PHASE THREE.
UM, OR JUST ALL, OR IS IT THAT 50% RULE? YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF UP TO US GUYS TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION SO THEY CAN GO AND GO TO THE TABLE AND DISCUSS, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION, WHICH KIND OF GIVES THEM SOME DIRECTION.
SO WHEN THEY BRING IT TO US, CAUSE THEY WANT TO BE FOLLOW APPROVED THROUGH COUNCIL.
I AGREE WITH JOHN IN THE FACT THAT THAT EMAIL IS HARD FOR ME TO TELL.
I SAID THAT EMAIL IS HARD FOR ME TO, YOU KNOW, RENEGE ON IT.
YOU SAID THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
SO LET ME, LET ME TAKE, JUST BEING, SITTING IN THIS CHAIR AND YOU GUYS KNOW STAFF DOES A LOT TO GET IT TO HERE AND THEY USUALLY WILL TELL PEOPLE WE COULD GET IT, WE'LL GET THERE AND THEN THEY JUST SELL IT TO US.
NORMALLY I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN HERE.
WE THINK, OH NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT STAFF COULD MAKE IT WORK, BRING IT TO US.
SO I'M THINKING THAT SOME OF THESE VERBAL DISCUSSIONS WITH, I THINK I CAN GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.
AND SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S WHAT PUT US IN THE PICKLE THAT WE'RE IN BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
CHRIS CAN COME TO ME AND GO, JASON, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'LL GIVE HIM MY DIRECTION.
AND WHEN I SCRATCH HER AND SAY, NO, AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENS, IT MAKES IT WORK.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED UNDER SOME OF THIS WHILE HE WAS HERE, IS HE FIGURED HE CAN GET IT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AND THEN IT HAPPENED.
SO LET ME, CAN I ASK THIS QUESTION TO MEGAN? DOES THIS HEART, AS IT'S DRAFTED IN THEIR MASTER PLAN, WOULD IT MEET THE SIZE OF PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT IT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS AND I GUESS ACREAGE, THIS COVERS.
I FEEL THAT IT MAY, BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A FULL DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE TAKING THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT INTO PLAY.
WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING PARKLAND DEDICATION, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY'RE NOT SURE HOW MANY, LOTS OF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE.
AND SO WE'RE BASING OUR PREMISE OFF OF THAT.
BUT THE CURRENT LDC NOTES THAT YOU CAN NOT INCLUDE ANY DETENTION RETENTION AREAS.
THAT IS THE SAME FOR ALL OF THEM ACROSS THE BOARD IS THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS.
SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND THE FLEXIBILITY TO ACCEPT.
SO WE'RE ACCEPTING THEIR PARK AS A PARTIAL DETENTION, RIGHT.
BUT THAT WOULD NOT UNDER THE LDC BE CONSIDERED A PART OF A PARK.
NOT TYPICALLY, NOT TYPICALLY WE HAVE THE DISTRICT RUSH TO, TO ACCEPT IT.
IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT AS AN AMENITY, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE DOING, AND YOU'RE BASING YOUR CURRENT, YOU'RE MAKING ENEMIES WHO SPEAK OVER YOU.
YOU'RE BASING YOUR COMMENTS ON THE CURRENT LDC, CORRECT? YEAH.
THERE'S A LOTS OF PARKLAND OUT THERE THAT WHEN IT RAINS, IT GETS WET.
AND IT'S THE PRICE OF WHAT LAND GOES FOR SAYING TO HOLD THEM, HOLDING PEOPLE.
THEIR COST IS TO WADE THROUGH, I GUESS I'M NOT STILL COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT I STILL HAVE ON THIS.
AND ONE OF THEM IS, YOU KNOW, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK, YOU KNOW, YOUR HOA WILL STILL MAINTAIN IT.
THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION TO ME THAT THE CITY IS NOT MAINTAINING THIS PARK.
UM, I MEAN, FOR ME, IT HAS TO MEET OUR SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, I CAN GO ALONG WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN BOOTH AND COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND ARE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACREAGE AND, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF THINK OF THIS FOR THOSE THAT ARE LOCAL SHY POND IN LAKE JACKSON.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND THINKING OF AT THIS POINT, UM, THERE'S REALLY A NO PARKING.
YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY JUST JUMP OUT THERE AND GET ACROSS AND BE THE DUCKS AND RUN AWAY.
THAT'S ONE THING THAT I ACTUALLY WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS SPECIFY PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE TRIGGERED WHEN YOU SAY THAT.
SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH HOW
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WE ARE PROVIDING DIRECTION, BECAUSE IT COULD THEN CHANGE THE MINIMUM SPECIFICATIONS FOR THEM.AND SO FOR CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF, WE WOULD JUST ONE, I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT FOR ME.
WE NEED TO PROVIDE THEM THE SPECIFICATIONS OR MINIMUM STANDARDS, IF YOU WILL, THAT THEY CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY RESCIND THAT.
AND THEN IF THEY CAN MEET THOSE STANDARDS ARE WILLING TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE CRITERIA, IF IT'S PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE, THAT THAT'S A HUGE POINT.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT THAT ALSO MEANS IS THAT THE CITY TAKES OVER MAINTENANCE.
AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OUTLINED IN THE AGREEMENT.
UM, SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE OR EVEN IN THE, NO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BECOMES THE CASE IN THE HOA DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DOCUMENTED OBVIOUSLY.
I MEAN, MY, MY BIGGEST ISSUE, WELL, I'VE NEVER DEALT WITH AN HOA BEFORE, BUT YOU STANDING HERE TODAY CAN TELL US, YES, ANYBODY CAN ACCESS IT.
BUT WITHIN THOSE HOA BYLAWS OR WHATEVER THAT COULD SAY, NO, THIS IS COMPLETELY PRIVATE, RIGHT.
NOBODY, BUT YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS CAN USE IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT PERSONALLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF.
I CAN PROBABLY CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
UM, I THINK IN OUR, IN OUR COST FACILITIES, REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, THE HOA DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
SO, OR BY CITY COUNCIL AND, UM, AND THAT DIRECTION COME FROM OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HIBIT THE GENERAL PUBLIC FROM ACCESSING.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JUDITH.
SO I THOUGHT WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN HOA.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? WE'RE SUBJECT TO AGREEMENTS.
SO ALL OF THE AGREEMENTS REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT, LIKE MICHAEL SAID, IT ALREADY REFERS TO, UH, AN H Y WHAT, WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO APPROVE IS THE FINAL FORMAT.
SO THAT, THAT PROTECTS YOU FROM ANYTHING THAT'S TRULY NOT HOA RULES, BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU DIDN'T APPROVE IT, THEN HE COULD, THEY COULD DO A ONE-PAGE THING AND THERE WOULD BE NO MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU'RE JUST APPROVING THAT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY, AND I AM AGREEMENT OF THAT.
WE LET HOS, THEY PAY A FEE, LET THEM MAINTAIN IT BY WHAT WE'D EAT IT, REPAIR IT, DO IT, ALL THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE TIME COMES, IF THAT EVER HAS TO MOVE INTO OUR DIRECTION, LET'S PUT CHRIS ON THE SPOT.
CHRIS ARE YOUR PARKS, PRIVATE OR PUBLIC.
SO NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, DO YOU HAVE, IF SOMEBODY JUST HAPPENS TO POP UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON A BIKE AND GOES TO A SWING SET FROM ANOTHER STREET AND OTHER NON-HERITAGE JOKES TO SOMEBODY GO AND TELL THEM TO LEAVE.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS RANCHO AND WHO KNOWS THIS QUESTION? I KNOW RANCHO IS NOT GATED.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I LIVED UNTIL I WAS 18.
IS THAT OUR PARK IS THAT OUR PARKER'S AT HOA PARK, MEGHAN, ESSENTIALLY IT'S HOA.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM GOING IN THERE AND THAT'S A HIGHLY TRAVELED SUBDIVISION.
I MEAN, I GO, WHEN I WALKED, WHEN I DID WALK, I WENT THROUGH RANCHO AND RESTED TO THE PARK.
SO THEY GOT NO COPS CAME AND MOVED ME OUT OF THE WAY, BECAUSE THAT IS A PRIVATE PARK, I GUESS, THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GO INTO IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD KIND OF BE IN THE SAME ARENA.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE RESTRICTIONS, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT THE MAINTENANCE IS THERE BECAUSE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, RANCHO THAT YOU GUYS HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD ALREADY APPROACHED THE CITY THERE.
AND THERE ARE THINGS IF YOU GO BY, THEY ARE UNDER STANDARD CURRENTLY.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD NECESSARILY CONSIDER AS AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER FALL MATERIAL UNDER THEIR PLAYGROUND OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I'M SAYING THINGS THAT I'M JUST GIVING YOU.
SO THAT'S NOT ON A MAP ANYWHERE THAT PEOPLE GO, GOOGLE, ANGLETON AND GO PARK IN RANCHO
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PARK POPS UP.I THINK THEY HAVE IT ACTUALLY.
I THINK YOU CAN FIND IT, BUT IT'S NOT IN OUR PARK SYSTEM.
ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON IS, UM, THAT WHEN, IF, AND WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY FILED AND REPORTED THEIR FINAL PLAT FOR THE FIRST PHASE, THAT TRIGGERS FEES IN LIEU OF, OR THE COMPLETION OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
SO YOU AS A BODY WOULD NEED TO SPECIFY FOR US BECAUSE THAT DEADLINE HAS ALREADY PASSED.
AND THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT IN EXISTENCE.
WE WOULD MEET TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE REQUIRING THEM.
WHAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE YOU AGGRESSIVE? YEAH.
IF, IF THEY MEET THE PARK STANDARDS, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY PASSED THE POINT OF WHEN THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DUE.
AND SO WE WOULD, IF, IF THEY MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS AND, AND THEY PROVIDE WHATEVER DOCUMENTATION YOU WANT IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE NEED TO SPECIFY WHEN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE COMPLETE, BECAUSE IT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED ALREADY, NORMALLY COMPLETED THERE SURELY TO BE A PARK OVER THERE.
WELL, THE FINAL AS THE LDC IS WRITTEN, THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE DUE UPON RECOMMENDATION OF FINAL PLAT OF THE FIRST PHASE.
IF IT'S A PHASE, PROPERTY IN A PARK IS UNDER A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.
SO EVERY STREET'S ALREADY BEEN IN IT, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT, RIGHT.
THE PARK IS NOT A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T DEEM ITSELF.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL HERE, SO TO SPEAK.
THAT'S I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION TOO.
DIRECTION KEEPING WITH WHAT MR.
SOMEONE SAID, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND NOBODY CALLED WAS CALLED OUT ON THAT.
I'VE ALREADY HAD SOMEONE THAT HAS COMMENTED THAT YOUR PAWN IS BEAUTIFUL.
Y'ALL AT RYE GRASS GROWING BACK THERE, GREEN GRASS GREEN BACK THERE.
SO, AND THEN, UH, IT WAS PROBABLY THE WAY SAME THING HAPPENED WITH, WITH THIS, WITH THIS PARK AREA RIGHT HERE.
THAT IS GOING TO BE REAL PRETTY.
IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE THERE TO IT, WHETHER IT'S ON A MAP OR NOT.
THE DRIVING UP AND DOWN BROWNING ROAD ALL THE TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IT.
AND MR. MR. WRIGHT CONCERNING A NUMBER OF PARKS WE HAVE IN THE CITY GO SOUTH TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND FIND A PARK.
NONE THAT ARE USABLE IN THE HOUSE.
IF WE GIVE THIS, AS IN LIEU OF ART, DEDICATION AND PARK ITSELF, IS IT LAID OUT IN HIS EMAIL PART, DEDICATION REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN MET, THEN THOSE THEY CAN FILL IN THOSE TWO WATER THINGS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO TURN THOSE INTO PARKS.
NOW THE PHASE TWO AND THREE PARKS THAT THEY HAVE ON THAT THING ARE WIPED OFF THE BOARD.
NOW THEY CAN MAKE, THEY CAN STILL OUT OF IF THEY WANT TO, BUT ONCE WE DO THIS, IT'S GONE.
IT WAS PRESENTED TO US WAY BACK.
WE KIND OF EXPECTED THIS TO BE DEVELOPED THIS WAY AND THEN MASTER PLAN.
BUT I MEAN, THE WAY THAT, THAT, THAT THE TWO PARTS, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BASED UPON THE DESIGN OF THE FUTURE PHASES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YES, THOSE, THE SECOND ONE WILL MIRROR THE FIRST ONE.
UM, AND, AND YOU HAVE A WET PORTION OF IT.
YOU HAVE A DRY PORTION OF IT AND YOU HAVE OTHER RECREATIONAL AREAS OF IT.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE COULD, WE COULD, EVEN IF YOU WANT TO SEE FROM THAT ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE THAT'S RIGHT.
BECAUSE EVEN IF IT WAS DRY, UM, IF YOU HAD SOME SORT OF LIKE, UM, UNIMAGINABLE EVENT, BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS HAVE TO HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT THE THIRD PORTION, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT SAYS IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGES.
I MEAN, WE HAVE DRAWINGS OF HOW THE, THE, THE THIRD AND FOURTH PHASE ARE GOING TO LAY OUT AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO CALCULATE YOUR, YOUR DETENTION REQUIREMENTS AND ALL YOUR OTHER, YOUR OTHER REQUIREMENTS BASED UPON THOSE, THOSE DRAWINGS.
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SO WHEN WE CAME INTO THIS, WE CAME INTO IT WITH A MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.AND THEN WE WENT WITH OUR FIRST, UH, PLOT, UM, AND IT WAS PRELIMINARY APPROVED.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STICK TO THE MASTER PLAN AS, AS, AS, AS MOST AS WE CAN.
BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WITH THE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF LOTS THAT EVEN IF WE WERE GOING TO GO UP, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO INCREASE THE DETENTION IN THE AREA THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO, SO THE DETENTION WILL BE THERE FOR THE FUTURE PHASES, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE BEAUTIFYING OF IT AND, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS FROM SCOTT'S PERSPECTIVE WAS SPENDING 185,000.
OUR PERSPECTIVE WAS, OKAY, WELL, LET'S SPEND 425,000.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT DETENTION AREA NEEDED FOR THE FUTURE PHASES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO VIEW BY THAT AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE A MIRROR IMAGE, BUT THE SIZE OF DETENTION FOR WHAT WE HAVE FOR SECTION ONE AND TWO WOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR, BECAUSE WE BASICALLY SPLIT THE PROPERTY IN HALF.
WELL, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT YOU TO BUILD A SECOND PARK ON YOUR PROPERTY.
I'D RATHER YOU PAY US THE PARKLAND DEDICATION IN THE FUTURE PHASES WHEN YOU HAVEN'T ENGINEERED IT YET OR DESIGNED IT OTHER THAN THE RETENTION AND DETENTION.
UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD INSTEAD PAY THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ON THE FUTURE PHASES TESTING ONE 88 WAS FOR ONE YEAR, TWO AND THREE THAT'S FOR ALL, ALL LOTS FOR ALL THE WALLS.
DID YOU TAKE THAT OUT? JUST EVEN JUST TO BUILD THIS RIGHT GUYS, THAT WE KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD STUFF AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST SAY, WE KNOW WHAT IT'S, WHAT LAKESIDE PARK IS COSTING US AND IT'S QUADRUPLED THE SIZE OF THIS.
AND THEN SOUTH, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 400,000 VERSUS 3 MILLION.
SO JUST PUTTING IT IN THE WHOLE NUMBERS OUT THERE.
DID I CHANGE YOUR MIND, JOHN? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED MORE PARKS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE KNOW QUITE A FEW AND YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH THIS FIRST ONE.
AND I FELT LIKE SCOTT WAS SAYING FOR THIS ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN YOU SAY, WE'RE GOING TO ADD A SECOND PARK AND YOU'RE NOW, NOW I'M SAYING I DON'T.
BUT THE SECOND PART, THE THIRD PART DOES DOESN'T IMPACT THE FEE BECAUSE THE FEE IS A FLAT FEE.
IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A PARK THERE FOR THE, WELL, THE 158 WAS IN TOTAL, RIGHT? ALL THREE PIECES, THE 88 39 AND THE FOURTH.
PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR ALL THREE PHASES.
SO THEY SH SO THE CONVERSATION, WELL, I'M THINKING WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'LL NOT COME BACK FOR ANY MORE FEES, WHETHER HE BUILDS ANOTHER PARK OR NOT, IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO HIS DISCRETION IF THAT'S IN A MINUTE THAT HE WANTS IN HIS PARK.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG NIGHT GUYS.
IT'S 1130 AND I MADE A COMMENT EARLIER.
WE'VE BEEN HERE TWO, ONE, O'CLOCK LOOK, WE'RE HERE TILL 1135 STAFF.
I'M JUST MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'VE GOT, AS I'VE SAID, HALF THE DEVELOPMENT UNACCOUNTED FOR LEASE SPENDING MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT SCOTT TOLD HIM HE HAD ON THE FIRST PAGE, YOU SAID TONIGHT, PHASE TWO IS PRETTY MUCH KIND OF COME TO US WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALMOST TWO THIRDS OF IT BUILT OUT.
YOU READ A LOT ABOUT THE SECOND AND THIRD ONE, IT LOOKED LIKE THE FIRST ONE INSTEAD OF A BIG DITCH.
WELL, I MEAN, THEN YOU JUST, I MEAN, IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
I GET, I MEAN, I GET WHAT JOHN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT JOHN'S SAYING.
WELL, THAT'S AN OVER-SATURATION OF PARKS IN THAT PART OF TOWN.
NOT REALLY NEEDING NEWT MORE PARKS IN THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST SAID WE HAVE NOTHING ON THE SOUTH.
REALLY? NOTHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
SO PAYING THIS FEE, JOHN, SMITH'S TRYING TO WORK REALLY HARD DOWN THERE.
WELL, NO PARK, NOT A PARK, BUT IT'S KIND OF SOME SORT OF A MINUTE T SOMETHING MINUTES AND I GET IT, JOHN, WE NEED TO FIND SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
SO STAFF YOU'VE HEARD OUR COMMENTS.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE, YOU'VE HEARD THREE OR FOUR OF US SAY ABOUT WAIVING THE FEE BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM JOHN TO SAY, IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE PARK IS TO A STANDARD THAT MEGHAN AND HIM SAY, NO, I DON'T WANT DIAMOND PLATES,
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MEGAN, YOU KNOW, DON'T GO.IF THEY CAN FIGURE OUT THAT IT'S COMPARABLE TO THE STANDARD, THAT THEIR VISION IS BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE WRITING UP.
UM, PRESENT SOMETHING THAT HAS FEES, WHETHER IT'S HALF OR WHETHER IT'S ALL THAT Y'ALL CAN SIT THE TABLE AND THEY COME BACK TO US.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU ALL SUBMIT PARK'S SPECS TO MEGAN WITHIN WHAT? THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WEEK, TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
WE CAN, WE HAVE BASICALLY ALL OF IT.
SO IN THE NEXT WEEK, MEGAN, SHE'S OVER HERE.
I MEAN, SO THEY'RE GOING TO SEND YOU, SEND THE PARK SPECS TO YOU FOR REVIEW, FOR REVIEW.
WHAT'S YOUR TURNAROUND BACK TO THAT.
SO THEN WE COULD PROBABLY COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON APRIL 13TH FOR THE COUNCIL TO REVIEW, SPREAD IT OUT, WHATEVER, I MEAN, YEAH.
APRIL SPAWN ROOM AGAIN ON THE 13TH.
Y'ALL BALANCE IT BETWEEN WHAT'S ON THE 13TH.
AND THE SECOND MEETING IS OKAY.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS Y'ALL GOOD WITH THAT OR WHAT'S WE NEED TO GIVE OUR ARCHITECT DIRECTION.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE SECOND MEETING, YOU JUST WANT TO BRING BACK THOSE TWO POINTS.
UM, AND I THINK JUDITH HAS TALKED TO YOU.
I THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE IS PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD.
ONE SIDE ONCE WE CAN HAMMER THAT OUT, THAT'S GOOD TO GO.
THE ONLY REASON IT'S NOT HAMMERED OUT IS BECAUSE THE SECOND PORTION, CORRECT.
SO, UH, THERE'S A PARTIAL WIN ON THAT.
I SAW AT THE END OF THE MONTH, I WILL BE SITTING HERE BEFORE YOU WITH THOSE THREE ITEMS, WHICH IS, UM, JUST AMENDING THAT LATER WITH THE CHAIRS, CHRIS, AND I WILL GET MORE HANDLE OUT SOMETHING ON THE EXHIBIT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOU GUYS FIGURE IT OUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PARK THERE.
SO, SO THE GUIDANCE ON THE SIGNAGE I'M ASSUMING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS, UH, CITY REQUIREMENTS ON SIGNAGE THAT IT'S WITHIN CITY PROPERTY, AND AGAIN, SPECIFICITY, QUANTITY, AND TIMELINE OF SIGNAGE AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO DID WE GET A PARTIAL, AT LEAST SOMETHING WE'RE MOVING FORWARD OR MOVING IT? OKAY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT COMES TO THE PART OF THE PACKET THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS BLANK COUNSEL.