Jun 17, 2021 Charter Review Commission

[1. Call to Order and announce a quorum is present.]

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SO THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE CHARTER REVIEW, UH, BY CHARTER, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS EVERY TWO YEARS, AND LAST YEAR WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS, BUT WITH COVID AND IT WAS A QUITE CRAZY YEAR.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MEET OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, UH, TO PRESENT THIS TO THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW, AND THEN IT'LL GO ON THE BALLOT FOR ELECTION.

AND IS IT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, IS THAT YES OR NO? SO IF THERE'S 25 ITEMS, THEN EVERYONE VOTES ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. SO THERE'LL BE LISTED ON THE BALLOT AND THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT IN THE PAPER AND A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH AND, UM, BE VERY PUBLIC ABOUT IT.

BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF DATE THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN CHANGED OR THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE TO BE CHANGED OR THINGS THAT CAN BE CHANGED THAT, UM, AREN'T NECESSARILY RIGHT OR WRONG.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TERM LIMITS OR HOW OFTEN WE REVIEW THE CHARTER, THAT'S MY FAVOR.

CHARTER REVIEW RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE MAKE IT EVERY, MAYBE THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING JUST TO SPACES OUT A LITTLE BIT.

SO WE'RE NOT CONSTANTLY UPDATING THIS.

UM, SO, UH, I THINK,

[2. Welcome and introduction of staff by City Manager Chris Whittaker.]

WHY? WHY DON'T WE START AT THE END FRANCIS THE CITY SECRETARY, UH, HI MEMORIAL GNOME, EVERYONE.

MY TITLE IS ENGAGE THROUGH SOME ENGAGED CITIZEN, WILLIAM JACKSON, UH, ENGAGED SYSTEM.

AND I'M CHRIS WHITAKER C MAJOR WITH THE RANDALL OFFICE CITY ATTORNEY, GREEDY RANDALL.

SO I THINK WE'RE ALL INTRODUCED.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT SCOTT MEYER.

WHO'S NOT HERE.

WE HAD SOMEONE THAT WAS ON THAT RESIGN AND WE'RE FISHING FOR ANOTHER PERSON.

SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW SOMEONE, LET US KNOW WE HAVE A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE, BUT JUST NEVER KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA TURN OUT.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT

[3. Introduction and Charter overview by City Attorney Grady Randle.]

OKAY.

I FEEL LIKE I'M IN A TRIAL WHEN I SHOULDN'T BE STANDING YOUR HONORS.

SO I'LL, WE'LL OPEN IT UP AND TALK ABOUT HOME RULE CHARTERS.

Y'ALL ARE A HOME RULE CITY.

YOU HAVE BEEN A HOME RULE CITY SINCE 1967.

WHEN BACK IN THAT TIME YOU HAD AN ELECTION.

UH, HISTORICALLY THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF CITIES IN TEXAS.

THERE'S SPECIAL LAW CITIES, WHICH SPECIAL NAMES BASICALLY YOU CREATED MOTHER REPUBLICAN, TEXAS, OR SOME, UH, CITIES IN DEEP EAST, TEXAS THAT WERE CREATED ONE DOWN, UH, TOWARDS THE VALLEY RICHMOND, TEXAS, WHICH IS THE COUNTY SEAT OF FORT BEND COUNTY USED TO BE A SPECIAL LAW CITY, THREE COMMISSIONERS.

THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL THEM ON THAT THEY WENT HOME RULE RECENTLY.

SO THE Y THE NEXT TOP OF CITY WAS GENERAL.

ALL CITIES, WHICH MEANT IS SHORTHAND FOR, UH, ANY CITY.

THAT'S NOT A SPECIAL CITY ON THE HOME REAL CITY.

AND THEY GET THEIR POWERS FROM THE GENERAL LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THIS IS IT.

THIS IS THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND ALSO HAS COUNTY LAW IN IT.

BUT THIS IS TYPICALLY WHERE THE SMALLER CITIES UNDER 5,000 GET THEIR POWER IS JUST WATSON BOOK.

THEN YOU HAVE HOME THAT ITS LEGISLATURE GOT TIRED OF CREATING CITIES, BASICALLY IN THE 1920S.

AND THEY PASSED AN AMENDMENT TO THE TEXAS TUITION.

THIS IS, YOU CAN CREATE YOUR OWN CITIES.

IF YOU GET A PETITION, SIGNED THE COMMISSIONERS IN, UH, IN THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT, OR THE COUNTY CALL IT AN ELECTION, YOU'RE OVER 5,000, THEN YOU CAN BECOME A HOMEGROWN CITY.

AND SO THEY GOT OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF CREATING CITIES, AND NOW IT'S MORE ON A LOCAL LEVEL.

SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOME RULE CITY AND A GENERAL OFFICE CITY IS A HOME RULE.

CITY HAS ALL THE POWER OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, EXCEPT WHERE THE STATE RESERVES THAT POWER.

SO THERE ARE, UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE STATE HAS PREEMPTIVE POWER WILL COME THROUGH IT, UH, DURING THE CHARTER.

SO ANGLETON BEING HOME RULE IS LIKE THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND LIKE I SAY, ON MOST CITIES, SOME OF THEM BELIEVE THEY'RE A MEMBER OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND SOME OF THEM WILL TAKE THEIR OWN SOVEREIGN NATION, BUT, UH, ANGLETON IS HOME RULE.

IT HAS ALL THE POWER OF THE STATE EXCEPT WHAT THE STATE HAS RESERVED.

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EASTON HAS THIS STRONG MAYOR.

SO THE NEW MAYOR COMES IN AND HOUSTON, HIS CHIEF OF STAFF IS REALLY RUNNING THE CITY.

THE MAYOR IS TYPICALLY TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IS BETTER.

THERE COULD BE EITHER ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ARGUE IT FELT WISE.

UH, BUT, UH, IT JUST, THE TOP ANGLETON HAS CHOSEN THE CITY MANAGER FORM, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T CALL IT THE CITY MANAGER FORM, THEY CALL IT THE COUNCIL MAYOR ADMINISTRATOR.

AND I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE LAWS THAT GENERAL ALL CITIES, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN ELECTION TO HIRE, TO GO TO A FORMAL CITY MANAGER CAN HAVE A CITY ADMINISTRATOR.

AND I THINK MAYBE IN 1967, THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR.

SO YOU HAVE A CITY ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH IS THE CITY MANAGER LIKED, UH, THEY HAVE ALL THE POWERS, BUT MANAGER, EXCEPT THEY DON'T HAVE THE TOP.

UH, BUT THEY STILL GET THINGS DONE.

THE, UH, SO ANYBODY STILL DRIVING A CAR FROM 1967, THAT'S HOW OLD YOUR CHARTER IS.

AND IT NEEDS A BIT OF A TUNA.

IT'S GOT LANGUAGE FROM THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES.

THERE HAVE BEEN AMENDMENTS.

THERE WERE A COUPLE IN THE SIXTIES, SEVERAL IN THE SEVENTIES, THE LAST ONE WAS IN 2018.

AND I HANDLED THAT.

WE CAME ON THE SCENE IN 2017.

UH, AND SO, UH, INSTEAD OF DOING THE PIECEMEAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS, WE DECIDED TO DO A WHOLE SOUP TO NUTS CHART.

SO, UH, YOU ALL ARE THE BOSSES.

YOU COULD YOU TELL ME HOW YOU WANT TO GO? BUT THE APPROACH IS, UH, IS WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE A WHOLE CALL.

YOU JUST START AND SEE WHAT WORKS AND STUFF.

IT'S NOT WORKING AND MAKE A DECISION.

NOW, I WANT TO MAKE ONE DISCLAIMER, BECAUSE I HAVE TRIED CASES IN VICTORIA COUNTY.

AND I REMEMBER WALKING IN MY BRIEFCASE, MY BLACK SAVED AND THE, UH, NEGATIVE SCOPE.

YOU'RE FROM HOUSTON.

AREN'T YOU HAPPY? HOW DO YOU NOT, NOT FROM BRAZORIA COUNTY.

I AM SORRY, BUT WE ARE NOT DOWN HERE TO TELL YOU HOW TO RUN YOUR CITY.

I WILL POINT OUT POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. I WILL GIVE YOU OPTIONS.

WE WILL TELL YOU THE PROS AND CONS.

YOU MAKE THE CALL, SLAP THEM POWER.

AND THE OLD JOKE, THE OLDEST SON, IT AIN'T NOTHING UNTIL I CALL IT.

IT AIN'T NOTHING TILL Y'ALL CALL.

SO WHATEVER YOU, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT IS IS WHAT WE WERE ON OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT FOR YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR CHARTER.

WE'VE DONE SEVERAL CHARTERS.

WE DID, UH, OR WE REVIEWED ON BAIL, EACH CHARTER IN CHAMBERS COUNTY.

UH, WE WROTE A FULL FOSTER'S CHARTER AND IT IS NOW, UH, BEEN WITHIN FIVE YEARS SINCE THEY ADOPTED THAT CHARTER.

THEY'RE NOW STARTING UP THEIR CHARTER COMMITTEE NEXT MONDAY, MONDAY WEEK.

UH, WE'VE DONE AMENDMENTS FOR, UH, ROSENBERG'S CHARTER.

AND, UH, SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FLAVORS.

AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS MUCH, WE HAVE KIND OF AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE WE'RE IN BASICALLY HARRIS COUNTY, THE SURROUNDING THEIR BODY IS DIFFERENT AND YOU CAN READ THE BAYTOWN SUN AND YOU CAN READ THE FACTS IT'S DIFFERENT.

AND THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE WE GET EXPOSURE TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES.

EACH COUNCIL IS DIFFERENT IN EACH CITY IS DIFFERENT AND YOU HAVE TO ADJUST IT C BLOCK FLOAT YOUR BOAT, BRAZORIA COUNTY, TEXAS.

UM, SO ONE ISSUE THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY AMENDMENTS THERE ARE TO THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION OR LAW? 144?

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TEXAS IS VERY DETAILED.

SO ONE APPROACH TO THE CHARTER IS DO Y'ALL WANT TO GO DETAILED AND BUILD THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION WIDE? OR DO YOU WANT IT TO TRIM IT BACK IN UNDER THE PHILOSOPHY PHILOSOPHY OF YES, IT'S MORE, YES, WE'RE STILL UNDER THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION.

THAT CONSTITUTION IS STILL ON THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.

UH, AND THAT JUST KIND OF HOW YOU WANT TO APPROACH.

IF WE CAN SAY A PARAGRAPH IN LESS WORDS THAN CROSS THERE, NOW THAT'S SOMETHING WANT TO DO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS AND MAKE CHANGES, WE WILL COME BRING WHAT I CALL THE BRICKS TO HERE'S THIS PARAGRAPH, HERE'S THIS SECTION.

AND WE'LL START REMODELING THE CHARTER BRICK BY BRICK IN THE SECTION BY SECTION.

AND IF YOU WANT MORE DETAIL, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

YOU HAVE LESS DETAIL THAN WE BRING.

PLEASE LET US KNOW WE CAN DO IT, UH, EITHER WAY SOMETIMES.

UH, AND I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING HERE, BUT SOMETIMES THIS PROCESS CAN GET REALLY POLITICAL AND NASTY FOR COUNTY SEEMS TO HAVE THE CORNER ON THAT SIDE.

UM, AND AS I HAVE SAID, THIS IN CHURCH MEETINGS, EVERYBODY HAS A VOICE.

IT'S A BIG TITLE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJORITY VOTE TONIGHT.

IT'LL BE TWO, UH, TYPICALLY WOULD BE THREE TO FOUR, BUT NOBODY, UH, IT WORKS BETTER.

IF WE ALL JUST IN OUR SITE, PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, MAJORITY VOTE WINS.

WE HAVE, I WAS WORKING UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK LAST NIGHT AT A CHARTER COMMISSION MEETING THAT DID IT ALL.

WE DID THE WHOLE CHARTER LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR OWNS IT.

AND, UH, THERE WERE SOME DISAGREEMENTS ON THE LENGTH OF TERMS FOR THE COUNCIL TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION.

IF YOU HAVE A VACANCY VERSUS TWO YEARS, YOU CAN APPOINT, HOW MUCH DOES AN ELECTION? WHAT DOES THAT COST REALLY MATTER IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS, WE'RE ONLY ONE SQUARE MILE.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? AND THEY HAD A GOOD COGENT, RESPECTFUL DEBATE, AND THEN THEY HAD A VOTE, UH, AND THEY CHANGED IT FROM TWO YEARS THAT THEY HAD BEEN MOVING ALL YEAR TO THREE YEARS.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS SPOT OUT.

HOWEVER WE GOT WANTED, BUT, UH, EVERYBODY GOT BORED.

SO THEY ALL UNDERSTOOD IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES THEY DID HAVE, UH, AS I SAID, WE WILL NOT DICTATE TO YOU.

WE WILL PREPARE SECTIONS YOUR CHARTER, OR YOU WILL DO A REPORT, OR WE WILL MAKE A REPORT AT THE END REPORT IS BASICALLY YOUR, THE CHANGES WE SUGGEST COUNCIL CAN DO THEIR OWN CHANGES.

YOUR CHARTER DOES NOT REQUIRE AN ELECTION.

SO THE COUNCIL CAN THINK ABOUT YOU'VE DONE.

SOME CHARTERS DUMPED, DRESSED.

THEY HAD A REAL DISTRUST OF SEVERAL MAYORS BACK.

SO THEY SAID, YOU MUST HAVE AN ELECTION.

UH, SO WHENEVER THE CHARMER COMMISSION, EVEN IF COUNCIL DISPROVES THAT IT'S YOUR CHARTER, DOESN'T SAY THAT.

SO YOU CAN MAKE YOUR REPORT AND YOUR BEST ESTIMATE OF HOW YOU THINK IT SHOULD GO, AND COUNCIL CAN DISAGREE.

UH, AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT, HOW THAT DISCUSSION.

AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S UP FOR AMENDMENT THAT COUNCIL KID, YES, THIS COUNCIL CAN MAKE THEIR OWN MOBILE AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER, WHICH DO YOU THINK HAD LAST ELECTION, 44 DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS THAT WERE REALLY DID A FULL SOUP TO NUTS.

SO IT'S THAT THEY GET A, SPLITTING IT BACK TO THEY GET AT THAT.

SO OUR PROCESS TO MEN IS BASICALLY A RECOMMENDATION FROM US THAT COUNCIL CAN ADOPT OR NOT.

AND IS THAT PROCESS OF FOR AMENDMENT, BUT THEN IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT THEY COULD ADOPT OR NOT.

IT WOULD BE YOUR TO COUNCIL TO TAKE THE POWER AWAY FROM COUNCIL, TO THEM.

WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

THANK YOU FOR

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SO, UH, 78 DAYS, UH, TYPICALLY TO CALL AN ELECTION, SOMEBODY GET DAYS BEFORE YOU HAVE THE ELECTION TO COLLEGE, YOU WON'T BE ELECTION.

WE COULD DOUBLE TIME AND MEET EVERY DAY AND MAKE A NOVEMBER ELECTION.

YOU GOT A CALL.

IT SUGGESTED, BURNED A LOT OF STUFF, GETTING THAT DONE, BUT SO LONG AS WE GET PAST AUGUST, THEN YOU CAN DO YOUR REPORT AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO THAT LONG, JUST WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO TRANSMIT THE REPORT UP TO CONGRESS, UP TO COUNCIL.

AND THEY, UH, ACTUALLY, WELL, IF THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE ELECTION, THEY HAVE TO CALL IT IN THAT 70, BEFORE THAT'S BEFORE THE 78TH DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION IT'S TOO, BEFORE.

SO IT'S REALLY, UH, UH, YOU CAN GIVE THE REPORT.

YOU GIVE THE REPORT AFTER AUGUST COUNCIL THEN COULD CALL IT AN ELECTION FOR MAY OF 2020.

SO, SO I SUPPOSE TIME, I THINK INITIALLY WE WERE PLANNING ON MEETING ONCE, ONCE A MONTH.

AND SO WITH THE, UH, THE CHARTER.

SO I SAW, I READ LAST THAT IT WAS LIKE, UM, THURSDAYS FIRST AND THIRD.

SO HAVE WE CHANGED FROM ONE MONTH TO TWICE A MONTH FOR THE MEETINGS WE HAVE NOW WE CAN DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT.

IT'LL BE UP TO Y'ALL TO DECIDE THAT WE, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE SET THOSE DAYS ASIDE SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THOSE SCHEDULED OUT, BUT WE CAN DO WHENEVER YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

YEAH.

SO, SO DO YOU MAKE THAT DECISION? THE BETTER POLLSTERS IS GOING TO KICK OFF AND THEY'RE GOING TO CLAIM THE DATE IN THERE, TELL ME FIVE DAYS WORK WEEK.

SO THEY CLAIM A DAY THAT YOU WANT TO MEET, BUT THAT'S A CHARTERS 1 0 1, IT IS YOUR CONSTITUTION.

AND THAT IS THE POWER WE LOOK TO WHEN COUNSEL COMES UP WITH, I WILL CONCEDE THAT THEY WANT TO DO X, AND WE'VE GOT TO FIND THE POWER TO DO X TO BACK IT UP OR SAY NO, BUT IF YOU DO, Y YOU STILL GET QUESTIONS NOT TO BE INTERRUPTED.

SO TO SPEAK, IF SOMETHING COMES UP, DON'T WAIT, DOES A PARAGRAPH.

SO YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS AND WE CAN MAKE AMENDMENTS TO EVEN, UH, FOR WHAT THE COUNCIL OR BILLY, UH, HAS, UM, REALLY GOING OVER THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE MAKE.

AND IT'S LIKE, COULD BE LIKE A DOG AND PONY SHOW OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO QUESTION IS, DOES THE COUNCIL WILL DO THOSE MEMBERS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO ABILITY TO, UH, TO KEEP IT IN THE LOOP LIKE THAT OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW.

NO, YOU CAN ONLY, HERE'S A NEW WORD.

THE LEGISLATURE.

UH, I GUESS IN 1929, PASSED THAT CREATED A NEW WORD, OFTEN, E E R.

AND IT SAYS A CHARTER CANNOT BE AMENDED MORE OFTEN HER THAN TWO YEARS.

AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS COME OUT AND SAID TWO YEARS TO 365 DAYS.

AND WE'VE HAD TO KILL SOME AMENDMENT PROCESSES.

PREVIOUS ATTORNEYS DIDN'T COUNT.

THEY WERE LITERALLY SHAUN ATTORNEY GENERAL KILLED IT.

AND SO WE HAD TO KILL IT.

WE CHECKED 2018 WAS THE LAST AMENDMENTS.

OF COURSE COVID KNOCKED IT OFF.

CAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START ALL THIS IN PARENTHESIS.

DO YOU RECALL WHEN THEY WERE APPOINTED THE ACTUAL THING? NO, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK.

IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.

OH, THIS YEAR.

OKAY.

SO THEN WE'RE SAFE BECAUSE IT SAYS YOUR TERM IS SIX MONTHS.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE MAY WANT TO CALL IT THE COVID YOU COULDN'T MEET.

YOU MAY WANT TO REDO THAT ORDINANCE TO HAVE THE TERM STARTING TODAY.

FIRSTLY, OPEN THE PROCESS OF LITIGATION.

SO WE HAVE A MAX OF SIX TO TAKE CARE OF.

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WERE YOU PART OF THE PROCESS OF TRADITIONALLY SPEAKING AND I DON'T KNOW THIS DON'T ASK HIM JUST GENERAL.

HOW OFTEN DOES THE COUNCIL SAY WE DON'T WANT YOUR AMENDMENT THAT YOU CREATED? SO IN OTHER WORDS, CAN WE DO THIS WHOLE THING AND COME UP WITH, LET'S SAY 20 THINGS THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE AND THEN THEY COULD BE LIKE, NOW WE'RE NOT HERE.

I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM REJECT ANY OF THE CITIES YOU DID.

REVIEW TOOK TWO MEETINGS.

THEY SAID THERE WERE SOME WELL PREVIOUS ATTORNEYS THAT DID THAT ONE, WHAT THEY FOLLOWED WITH THE SECOND ONE, THEY DID FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF STATE, ALWAYS REGISTERED.

SO WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE? IT WAS THE FALL OF THE CHARTER, BUT IT WAS THE FINAL CHART.

OKAY.

SO TO DELETE THOSE SCRIBNER'S ERROR ERROR WOULD HAVE REQUIRED AN AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD COST CITY SECRETARY AT CHAMBERS COUNTY SAID IT COSTS ALMOST $10,000 CITY SECRETARY FOR ONE COUNTY LAST NIGHT.

IT'S ABOUT FOUR POUNDS.

SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 14 TO CORRECT A BUNCH OF SCRIBNER'S THERE.

SO THEY DECIDED NOT TO MAKE THAT WHEN THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT, YOU CAN BET WE'RE GOING TO SAY, PUT AN AMENDMENT IN THERE THAT SAYS NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES CAN BE CHANGED IN THE CHARTER WITHOUT, SO YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND DELETE THE WORD GROUT AND ALL THAT .

SO, UH, ANOTHER AMENDMENT, ONE GUY WAS DOING, HE DIDN'T REALIZE CITY COUNCILS, CITY HALL WAS NEXT TO THE TRAIN TRACKS AND HE GOES, Y'ALL NEED TO CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT CALLS BECAUSE OF THAT TRAINING, DENVER, DERAILS, AND WAPS OUT COUNCIL, HOW DO YOU GET A NEW CITY COUNCIL IF EVERYBODY'S TAKEN OUT BY THE SANTA FE? SO WE PUT IN A PROVISION, WE ALWAYS PUT IT IN.

NOW THAT SAYS, HURRICANE COMES, TORNADO COMES AND WIPES OUT CITY COUNCIL, COMMISSIONERS COURT, TEMPORARY COUNCIL.

YOU'RE ASSUMING THE COMMISSIONERS.

THEY TURNED INTO ZOMBIES TO APPOINT NEW CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WILL THEN BE ABLE TO CALL AN ELECTION, WHICH WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO HAVE TO REPLACE IT.

YOU KNOW, TYPES OF CITY COULD HAPPEN.

OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN IT.

NOW IN MEADOWS PLACE, WHICH WE WERE DOING LAST NIGHT, FINISHING UP ON TOP WAS THE LAST WEEK.

UH, THE MAYOR WHO'S A CLOSE FRIEND, THREW A GRENADE IN THERE IS THAT ALL? OR I WOULD PREFER THREE AND IT TOOK ABOUT AN HOUR STRONG MAJORITY.

HE KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE I SAID WE'RE AT THE FINAL POINT AT THE, SEND THAT OVER TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, THIS IS YOUR NEW CHARTER.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION.

SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY FINE TUNING, YOU MAY WANT TO TELL US NOW, OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO BE TWO FULL YEARS BEFORE NO ONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS EXCEPT THE BUYER HAPPIEST TODAY.

SO NO, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO ADD THE STORY POSITION.

IT HAD.

IT HAS BEEN IN SOME CITIES THAT HAVE GONE POLITICAL, HOPEFULLY.

SO WHAT WILL THE NUTS AND BOLTS LOOK LIKE FOR US? WILL IT BE, WE'LL BREAK IT DOWN PIECE BY PIECE.

Y'ALL WILL HAVE YOUR, YOUR EXPLANATION OR RECOMMENDATION.

WE GIVE IT A AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN MEET AND DEVELOP OUR RECOMMENDATION OR WHAT, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR US GOING FORWARD WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE MEAT OF IT? WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET THE PROCESS? SO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE CHARTER,

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AND WE'LL START WITH SECTION 1 0 1.

AND WE'LL JUST ASKING YOU QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO OFFER AN OPINION, STICK TO MY GUNS.

THAT IS PROBLEMATIC TO HAVE THE WORD ADMINISTRATOR IN THERE, AND IT EITHER NEEDS TO BE COUNCIL MEYER.

YOU CAN HAVE A DEBATE.

IF YOU WANT THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE IT, I CAN GO TO HIM AND SAY YOU A STRONG MAYOR, HOUSTON, AS OPPOSED TO DALLAS AND GET RID OF THE CITY MANAGER AND PICK .

BUT I'M GOING TO BRING THIS UP TO YOU.

I WILL GO BLOCK ON THAT PARAGRAPH.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE MEAT OF IT.

BUT AS FOR THE ACTUAL VERBIAGE, USUALLY WE COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING AND GIVE YOU A PROPOSED DRAFT FROM FEEDBACK.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST BREAKFAST, UM, BOUNDARIES.

UH, I MEAN IT'S IN ALL THE CHARTERS.

YEAH, YOU GOT BOUNDARIES WHILE YOU'RE A CITY BOUNDARIES OR CITY LIMITS ANNEXATION.

UH, THEY CALL IT CONTRADICTION CONTRADICTION OF BOUNDARIES.

AS OPPOSED TO THIS, WE CAN GO IN AND CLEAN THAT, UH, UH, ANNEXATION FOR INSTANCE, IS A SECTION THAT HAS BEEN PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW.

WE PASSED THE ANNEXATION ACT IN THE SIXTIES.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

ALVIN IS A PORT CITY.

IT HAS A 100 YARD WIDE, 132 MILE LONG ANNEXATION THAT WHIPS DOWN TO SAN LOUIE PASS AND COMES BACK UP, UH, LITIGATED THAT CAUSE THAT WAS REPRESENTING, UH, ZURI CITY WHO WENT TO ALVIN AND SAID, DO YOU HAVE A CITY MOUTH INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE COURTHOUSE AND GETTING THEM LIKE TOURIST BROCHURE? AND IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A FORGOTTEN DEVELOPMENT, NO SHADOW.

THAT'S THE BIG ONE DOWN THERE.

THAT'S ACROSS THE COUNTY HISTORIC NOW, WHATEVER THAT ANYWAY, MISSOURI DEVELOPER WANTED TO TRY TO DEAL WITH ONE GOVERNMENT MELINDA'S TEAM, MISSOURI CITY TO ANNEX.

SO WE HAVE IT AND CROSSED THE ANACONDA AS I CALL IT AND DIDN'T KNOW IT.

AND SO ALVIN CINTAS AND WE LOVED JERRY ANNIE, BUT I REMEMBER THAT TRIAL AND SHE, HER COMMENTS WERE LAID ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE.

THEY ARE A BIG DOG TRYING TO SLAP THE LOOK AND THAT'S HOW THE CASE STARTED.

I LINKED THEM TO MY CO-COUNSEL AND I GO, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE THE DAMN YANKEE, BUT IT WAS, HE LOST.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AND I HAD TO LAUGH ABOUT, UH, JUST ALWAYS REMEMBER HER OPENING ARGUMENTS AND IT WAS DIRECT AND CLEAR, BUT ANNEXATION AND FOR SILLY STUFF, LIKE 132 MILE, 100 MILE ALVIN DID IT FOR COACH DICKINSON WAS THREATENING SOMETHING IN 1813.

SO THEY WERE DOING THIS DEFENSIVE ANNEXATION.

SO TEXAS CAME IN IN THE SIXTIES AND CREATED THE ANNEXATION ACT, WHICH SAID, IT'S GOTTA BE WITHIN CERTAIN MILES OF YOUR CITY LIMITS AND REALLY RESTRICTED DID A PROCEDURE.

SO THE FACT THAT IT SAYS ANNEXATION AND CONTRADICTION OF BOUNDARIES IS IN HERE, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE COMING OUT.

SO WE'LL REFERENCE IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A HUNDRED WORDS THAT THEY DID IN THERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HOPE I'M AT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT TO ME, WE'LL DRAFT THE NEXT MEETING FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE.

GREAT.

SO WE CAN MOVE TO A

[4. Discussion and possible action on the election of a Chair.]

OKAY.

SO FOR CONVERSATIONAL PURPOSES HERE,

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SO I WON'T BE LEGAL BY, UM, THE CHAIR'S GONNA RUN THE MEETING.

AND SO, HEY, WE'RE DONE WITH NUMBER ONE, WE'RE MOVING ON TO NUMBER TWO, IF THERE'S A VOTE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, KIND OF LIKE JASON DOES DURING THE MEETING, UH, I WON'T SAY CONTROLS THE DISCUSSION, BUT CONTROLS THE AGENDA ITEM TO ALLOW DISCUSSION COMMENT.

UM, BUT ALSO TO MOVE IT ALONG IN A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE REHASHING OLD STUFF, THE CHAIR PROBABLY SHOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, SO ARE YOU READY FOR A VOTE OR READY TO MOVE ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM? AND THEN SEE IF THERE'S AGREEMENT OR NOT, OR VOTES NEEDED AND THEN MOVE IT ON TO THE NEXT THING THAT THE VICE CHAIR REALLY STEPS IN.

UM, IF THE CHAIR IS NOT THERE AND CONTINUES TO DRIVE THAT PROCESS AND FRANCIS AND I, AND ARE HERE TO ASSIST IN THAT PROCESS AND YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ROLES USUALLY ARE TO, YOU KNOW, HELP MOVE IT ALONG AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE, OR MAKE SUGGESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT IF WE CAN'T AGREE ON SOMETHING, THEN MAYBE WE, YOU KNOW, MOVE IT TO A LATER DATE OR REVIEW, OR MAYBE THERE'S SOME FURTHER LEGAL COMMENTS THAT WILL COME BACK.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE JOB OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.

WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT, UH, ANYTHING I SUPPORT TO BE CHAIR.

I MEAN, I KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE MORE TIME, UH, TO BE CHAIR.

I KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS I'M LIKE, CHERYL KNOWS, LIKE IT TAKES A LITTLE WORK AND SO I'LL BE WILLING TO DO IT IF I HAD TO.

BUT IF YOU GUYS REALLY WANT TO JUST GET IN THERE AND SAY, I'LL BE CHAIR, HOWEVER YOU GUYS DO IT.

I WILL SUPPORT, LIKE, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO IT EITHER.

HOWEVER, THE THREE OF US THAT ARE HERE IN SCOTTY AS WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THE REST OF THE SUMMER BECAUSE I HAVE, I'M AN EDUCATOR.

SO LIKE I HAD THE SUMMER OFF AND THEN THIS SUMMER SPECIFICALLY I'VE PURPOSELY NOT DONE ANYTHING BECAUSE THE YEAR WAS CRAZY WITH COVID.

SO I DON'T REALLY WANT TO, BUT IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME CONSUMING, I PROBABLY HAVE MORE TIME IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE TIME CONSUMING, RIGHT? WE'RE ALL IN THIS, ON THE REVIEW.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE THE CHAIR WE'RE SAYING, WELL, WE NEED YOUR RESPONSE BY WHATEVER.

AND, AND, UH, IT'S REALLY, WE'RE HAVING A GROUP DISCUSSION.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT DRIVING THE MEETING.

RIGHT.

AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON TASK AND ON TRACK AND WHATEVER, AND MEETING MILESTONES AND DEADLINES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND IF THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE OR WHATEVER.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

IF THAT, IN THAT CASE, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.

YOU LOOK FANTASTIC IN THAT POSITION.

UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I WOULD A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH DR.

JACKSON AND I DON'T MIND DOING VICE CHAIR IF WE'VE GOTTA WAIT TO THE SECOND PART OF THIS, BUT, UM, YOU LOOK, YOU LOOK FANTASTIC RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, SO WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.

YEAH, I'LL DO IT.

I'LL DO IT.

THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, I MEAN, THE JOB QUALIFICATIONS ARE, YOU HAVE TO BE BUSTED NICE.

SO WHAT WE NEED IS, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THEN FOLLOWED BY UP.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE, UM, OUTLET MICHELLE TOWNSEND AS CHAIR OF THE, UM, THE COMMISSION REVIEW CHARTER REVIEW.

AND I WOULD SECOND THAT, ALL RIGHT.

SO WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY MORE DISCUSSION.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, Y'ALL GONNA DO DURING THIS MEETING.

OKAY.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

SO, UH, UM, I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED OR NONE.

OKAY.

GRADUATIONS.

RIGHT.

THANKS.

[5. Discussion and possible action on the election of a Vice Chair.]

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

FOUR, IS IT HEIGHTENED? YES.

I MEAN, WE'RE IN TO ACT AS VICE CHAIR FOR DISCUSSION.

ALRIGHT.

CALL FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

CONGRATULATIONS.

A I OR J A N J.

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[6. Discussion and possible action on the appointment of the City Secretary as the Secretary.]

NO, I THINK I MADE IT FRANCIS AS THE SECRETARY OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

I SECOND THAT FRANCIS IS THE SECRETARY OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION.

HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ALL IN AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE.

CONGRATULATIONS, FRANCIS.

THANK YOU.

[7. Discussion and possible action on the initial organization of this Charter Commission .]

WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THAT? HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEET WELL? SO, SO I THINK, UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE, UH, SCOTT MEYER WHO WAS IN THEM TO MAKE IT, UM, WE HAD TIM THAT, UH, RESIGNED, UH, WE'RE LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHERS TO POTENTIALLY BE ON THE BOARD.

SO IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF SOMEONE THAT'S WILLING TO SERVE, WE'D APPRECIATE THAT.

WE THINK WE MIGHT HAVE ONE PERSON THAT MIGHT QUALIFY AND BE INTERESTED.

AND SO WE'LL BRING THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

WHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE IN ORDER TO DO IT? I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN OF ANGLETON.

YEP.

THAT'S IT PRETTY MUCH.

CAN WE MAKE A MEETING AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE MEETINGS.

SO I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO REACH OUT.

THE MORE FOLKS WE HAVE, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE, UM, IN THIS PROCESS.

AND THEN I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR ONE MORE.

OKAY.

YES.

OKAY.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

BEAUTIFUL.

SATISFIED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SO THEN LUNCH, YOU PUSH THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND WE'LL PICK IT UP THEN.

SO CAN I JUMP IN HERE FOR A SECOND? SO A COUPLE MORE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.

I KNOW NUMBER TWO IS HITTING THE NEXT MEETING, BUT HOW OFTEN DO YOU GO ON TO ME? GOOD QUESTION.

WE HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY, RIGHT? TO GET A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

AND THEN HOW LONG DOES COUNCIL HAVE TO ACT ON IT? OR THEY HAVE TO ACT WITHIN THAT SIX MONTHS.

OKAY.

SO, BUT WE HAVE SIX MONTHS TO GET THEM OUR RECOMMENDATION IF YOU TAKE IT OFF.

OKAY.

SO, SO, SO WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE AND DEALING WITH HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.

SO WITH THE, WITH THE CITY, THE SIZE OF ANGLETON AND, UH, THE TIME THAT WE HAVE, HAVE YOU SEEN ONE MEETING PER MONTH, TWO MEETINGS PER MONTH, WHICH HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH MORE, MORE, THE CADENCE HAS TYPICALLY BEEN TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.

OKAY.

AGAIN, ABOUT BELLEVUE THAT'S HAD THE CHARTER, WOULD IT BE, IT TOOK TWO MEETINGS AND THEY WERE DONE.

IT IS OUR CHARTER RIGHT NOW, A SIZABLE CHARTER.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO GET THROUGH OR LET'S GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

OKAY.

IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF CHANGE FROM, I THINK YOU SAID 60 SOMETHING TO NOW THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF EFFECTIVE CHANGES.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE LOWER, IT MAY TAKE MORE THAN TWO MEETINGS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD TAKE SIX MONTHS DRAFTING CHARTERS FROM SCRATCH BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO EDUCATE RIGHT.

15 MEMBER COMMITTEE ABOUT GOVERNMENT Y'ALL AREN'T HAVE THAT GOVERNMENT.

YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S EFFICIENT.

SO I DON'T SEE IT TAKING THAT LONG.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE DIVE INTO IT, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME WORKING ON, WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT.

UM, NO PARALEGAL DID THIS CAUSE WE DO A LOT IN FORT BEND COUNTY.

IT WAS A SPREADSHEET CHART.

UH, MOST OF THE CITIES THAT HAD CHARTERS, SO THEY COULD COMPARE WHAT THE OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTIES WERE DOING TO THIS CULTURE, TO WHAT OTHER CITIES HAD.

AND, YOU KNOW, DO THEY TRY TO STAY CONSISTENT? NOT THAT ANYBODY CARES OR HACKERS OR NERDY ENOUGH BLACK TO, TO DO THIS, OR YOU REALLY WANT TO BE AN ALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE,

[00:40:01]

THEY'RE GIVING THE MAYOR THE POWER TO VOTE ON INCREASING THE SIZE OF COUNCIL.

SO THEY HAVE A SIX MEMBER COUNCIL.

WHY, WHO DO YOU NEED GUYS AND GOING, IF IT NEEDS TO PASS, THAT NEEDS TO HAVE REALLY GOOD SUPPORT.

OTHERWISE IT WILL DIE FOR THE TITLE I'M GOING.

I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY ELSE IN TEXAS, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO THROW THAT BALL AND YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT FAST AND MORE POWER TO YOU AND WE SPEND TWO OR THREE MEETINGS ON THAT ISSUE.

SO THAT'S, BUT THEY WERE COMPARING, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY GOING BACK TO THIS ROLE STAFFERS DOING THIS MISSOURI CITY.

SURE.

DWAYNE'S DOING THAT.

IF IT HELPS, THEN I'LL GET A LAW STUDENT.

I'M TRYING TO GET ONE, BUT HE'S HAVING A BABY REALLY BABY, OR LIKE, QUIET.

THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.

UM, TO DO THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, PARAMOUNT HAS A CHARTER, UH, ALVIN HAS A CHARTER AND BILL HAS A CHARTER AS A CHARTER, FREEPORT, YOU WANT A COMPARISON LAW STUDENT TO PUT THAT TOGETHER SPREADSHEET, IF YOU DON'T WANT IT, YOU DON'T THINK IT WOULD HELP.

AND I'LL SAY THE COST, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO WHAT WE FEEL IS RIGHT FOR ANGLETON.

AND SOME OF THOSE CITIES THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE VERY DIFFERENT, PROBABLY BOTH IN SIZE DEMOGRAPHICS, GEOGRAPHICS.

UM, SO I WOULD PASS ON THAT.

I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE I DON'T EAT THAT, BUT I MEAN, TH THE CITIES THAT YOU MENTIONED, NONE OF THEM, WELL, I FORGOT.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT PARENTS IS DOING, THAT THEY AIN'T ON PARENTING OR ANYTHING, BUT LIKE, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THAT'S MORE OF A RESORT THAT'S NORTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

YEAH.

AND I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY LIKE, LET'S LOOK AT A CITY THAT HAS COMPARABLE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NUMBERS REPORT, MAYBE IN THE SENSE OF DEMOGRAPHICS IN THE SENSE OF LIKE POPULATION MAYBE, BUT YEAH.

THAT'D BE BY AGE.

I DON'T THINK WE'D GET IT GOOD.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

I MEAN, I JUST, I WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND THE CITY'S DOLLARS THAT WAY WHEN I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WITHOUT COMPARISON.

SO, I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO DO A DOWN LINE, WE CAN DO THAT.

I MEAN, IF THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE TERM LIMITS OR TERM LIKE TERMS OR WHATEVER MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SEE WHATEVER ELSE YOU'RE DOING, IF THAT'S YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE STAYING ON TRACK WITH THEM, IF YOU'RE TOO FAR OFF AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE, MAKE SURE WE DON'T WALK OFF A CLIFF.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

WE'RE ABOUT TO WALK OFF A CLIFF, GRAB US AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE DO SOMETHING THEN.

YEAH.

IF, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND FAMILIARITY WITH THESE OTHER SIGNALS, THAT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO IS WAY OFF THE WALL THAT WE'RE REALLY THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.

I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST, WELL, WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH EACH SECTION OF THE CHARTER, BUT ALSO WE'LL BE COMBING OTHER CHARTERS THAT ARE GOOD CHARTERS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT OUT THAT YOU NEED.

SO WE'LL BRING THAT UP.

THE OTHER THING IS JUST HAVE TO ASK, THROW IT OUT THERE.

YOU DON'T WANT IN-PERSON MEETINGS OR DO YOU, THIS WOULD BE PERFECT TO SAY I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ZOOM LIKE ME, BUT IF WE'RE BEING HONEST, UM, CONNECTIVITY ISSUES SOMETIMES HAPPEN.

I'M FINE WITH, I MEAN, I'M HERE.

I PREFER IN PERSON MEETINGS.

THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE ABOUT THAT IS FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW AND WHAT WE'RE DOING MOVING FORWARD.

UM, ARE YOU BILLING THE CITY? IS IT A LUMP SUM, HOURLY RATE, BUT WE DON'T CHARGE FOR TRAVEL FOR TRAVEL.

YOU JUST REIMBURSED.

BUT WHEN BEAU SAID, SO WHEN WE MEET WHETHER OUR HOURS OR WHETHER OUR MEETING TAKE TWO HOURS ON ZOOM, OR THEY TAKE TWO HOURS IN PERSON, SAN FRANCISCO, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD GO FROM, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE TOP AND I MAY HAVE SHORTS OFF.

HM.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME MEETINGS, I'M A PART OF THIS.

THAT'S A ZOOM MEETINGS.

AND AS LONG AS IT'S A, WITH THE ZOOM MEETINGS, THERE'S NOT MANY A MEMBERS MEETING.

IT'S PRETTY EASY TO FACILITATE AND BE A PART OF.

BUT WHEN IT STARTS GETTING NUMBERS, LIKE MAYBE 12 AND BEYOND, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IN PERSON.

I'M FINE WITH IN-PERSON AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, AS FAR AS BEING IN PERSON.

AND WE ALL GREW

[00:45:01]

SO WE WOULD, AND WE DID EVERYTHING.

UH, YOU DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO TOOT MY HORN.

IN FACT, WE DID ONE, IT WORKED OUT FUN.

WE HAD ONE MEETING RECENTLY WHERE ZOOM FAILED NATIONWIDE.

AND THEN LAST NIGHT THE POWER WENT OUT FOR A COUPLE OF THOSE MEETINGS.

THE CHAIRMAN WAS VERY GOOD AT INDIGO MET TOO WELL.

WE STARTED AT SIX 30 AND WE ENDED AT EIGHT 30 SHARP.

OKAY.

MICHELLE THAT'S UH, ALSO THE PRIVILEGE YOU GET TO HAVE IS YOU CAN CONTROL THE TEMPO OF THE MEETING.

LIKE I SAID, IF YOU THINK WE'RE REHASHING STUFF THAT YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF WHATEVER, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.

WHETHER IT'S A VOTE OR A MOVE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

RIGHT.

AND, AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, I GUESS THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A HYBRID, MAYBE LIKE, UH, HAVING DONE ZOOM, MAN, WHAT MAYBE IF WE DO, UNLIKE, DEPENDING UPON THE FREQUENCY AT THE MEETINGS, BABY, ONE MEETING ZONE, ONE MEETING PERSON WHEN MEETING ZOOM, WHEN MEETING IN PERSON, I MEAN, THAT'S, IF WE WANT TO JUST, I MEAN, SAVE YOUR TRAVEL TIME AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE JUST MEET BY ZOOM.

I'M OKAY WITH EITHER ONE OF THEM I CAN MAKE EITHER ONE.

SO IT'S WHATEVER YOU GUYS, I THINK THE CASH, THE CASH TO ME WOULD BE LIKE, TIME.

I LIKE, AGAIN RIGHT NOW I'M GOOD.

BUT EVEN DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, IF WE'RE GOING INTO THE SCHOOL YEAR STILL MEETING, I MEAN FIVE 30.

YES.

BUT IT'D BE TOUGH, BUT LIKE A SIX O'CLOCK WOULD BE BETTER PERSON.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, I THINK TIMING OF IT, MAX AMOUNT OF TIME FOR MEETING THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.

UM, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS PROBABLY IN PROCEEDING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY CREATE THIS CONCEPT.

RIGHT.

I'M ASSUMING WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THIS NOW VERSUS LIKE WAIT TIL THE END.

UM, BUT NO, I I'M.

I MEAN, I'M KIND OF, I LIKE IN PERSON MEETINGS, I THINK THERE'S EASIER TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I, THE ONLY DOWNSIDE TO ZOOM IS THAT SOMETIMES LIKE CUTTING PEOPLE OFF GETS LAGGING A LITTLE BIT.

UM, BUT I'M ALSO WITH DARREN JACKSON, LIKE WE GOT TO KEEP THESE TO A, IF IT'S SIX TO EIGHT, SIX TO EIGHT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE ALL OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE HERE UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK ON A STUCK ON A POINT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE STUFF.

SO CRISPIN FRANCIS WOULD HAVE, Y'ALL HAVE, Y'ALL HAD SUCCESS WITH OTHER MEETINGS WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE HERE IN PERSON, BUT SAY THE AA SUDAN, IS THAT WORKABLE OR IS IT BETTER TO HAVE EVERYONE TOGETHER OR EVERYONE ON ZOOM? OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO THEN I GUESS, I MEAN, MY SUGGESTION FOR ITEM SEVEN WOULD BE IN-PERSON EVERY OTHER WEEK AT 6:00 PM STICKS.

YOU DON'T THINK THIRSTY.

THIRSTY IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE YOU LEAN UP TO FRIDAY.

YOU HAVE YOUR MEETING, YOU WORK ON FRIDAY WEEKEND.

YEAH.

I'LL HAVE SORT OF POTENTIAL CONFLICTS COME THE FALL WITH SOME THURSDAYS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE'S WEDNESDAYS LOOK LIKE.

UM, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION I WOULD BE OPEN TO AS WELL.

I'M TRYING TO THINK SO.

OR WHAT THIS ROOM IS THERE MONDAYS OR TUESDAYS? UM, WE USUALLY MEET AS A BOARD WHEN WE MEET ON, WE MEET ON MONDAYS, USUALLY FOR ME TO ASK OR WHEN DOES IT NORMALLY WHEN, AS WELL, MONDAYS AND THEN COUNSELORS ON TUESDAY.

SO YOU WOULD EITHER HAVE TO BE WITH YOUR BABY OR COULD WE ALTERNATE WITH COUNCIL? COULD WE TAKE THE TUESDAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT MEETING TUESDAYS ARE BAD.

OKAY.

SO HOW ABOUT WEDNESDAY OR, WELL, I GUESS THE ONLY THING IS THAT FOR SCOTT, WHO'S NOT HERE AND FOR THE POTENTIAL NEW MEMBERS, UH, SWEATER, A TOUGH TO MAKE THE CALL WITHOUT THEM BEING PRESENT, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN MODIFY ONCE.

I WOULD ALSO ADD TOO.

I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING LIKE THIS TO THIS DAY IS THE PERSON THAT, ESPECIALLY THE NEW PERSON, THEY KNOW, I GOTTA HAVE THIS DATE FOR FREE THIS EVENING FOR YOU.

OKAY.

UM, HOW ARE WEDNESDAYS FOR Y'ALL I'M

[00:50:01]

AND MEADOWS PLACE WAS MEETING WEDNESDAYS ENDED LAST WEEK YESTERDAY.

SO I'M THINKING OF ONE MORE MEETING, BUT DEFINITELY ABOUT TWO MORE MEETINGS.

THE VILLAGE FIRE DEPARTMENT MEANS, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER ATTORNEY.

SO WHAT JOB BE OPEN TO DOING THURSDAYS IN THE SUMMER? AND THEN REVISIT THIS AGAIN? MAYBE AUGUST.

YES, BECAUSE THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO, UM, SORT OF LIKE TALK TO THE OTHER MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE WEDNESDAYS AS A MIDWEEK SERVICE OF SOMETHING.

SO I'M OKAY WITH THERE.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

YOU SAID YOU'D BE DONE BY THEN.

WE JUST NEED A MEETING OR TWO BEFORE COUNCIL.

OKAY.

SO, AND THEN THE THURSDAY, AND THEN TO CLARIFY ON EVERY, ON A THURSDAY, THERE ARE SOMETIMES, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE SUMMER WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A FIFTH THURSDAY, WHICH WITHDRAWAL YOUR THURSDAY OFFS.

YEAH.

SO ALWAYS BE FIRST AND THIRD.

RIGHT.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, LIKE WHAT IF YOU WANT TO GO EVERY OTHER THURSDAY OR IF YOU WANT TO LIMIT IT TO FIRST AND THIRD, RIGHT.

WOULD YOU PREFER TO JUST SAY FIRST AND THIRD OR SECOND AND FOURTH IS THE WEEKS THAT COUNCIL MEETS.

RIGHT.

AND WE WERE TRYING TO STAGGER WITH THEM.

YES.

OKAY.

MAYBE FIRST AND THIRD.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE, WHEN YOU SAY SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU NEED TO LOG IN, WE CAN REVISIT.

YEAH.

UM, SO ON SEVEN THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT OUR INITIAL ORGANIZATION WILL MEET THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAYS OF THE MONTH THROUGH AUGUST TO REVISIT AT OUR LAST AUGUST MEETING.

IF WE IN FACT MUTED AT 6:00 PM, WE'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

CAN YOU POST ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE.

LET'S

[Items 8 & 9]

UM, WHAT IS THAT? OKAY.

I LIKE DOING PACKET.

YOU SHOULD SEE A BOOKLET.

TOTTLE TEXAS.

YEAH.

UH, BUT IT WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2010.

SO IT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE TERRIBLE, BUT THIS WAS A TERRIBLE BLODGETT.