>> THANK YOU AND WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING DATED TUESDAY, [DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:06] JUNE THE 22ND AT 06:00 PM. WE ARE STARTING A FEW MINUTES BEHIND AT 06:03. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT SO I'LL GO AND CALL US TO ORDER AT 06:03. [NOISE] IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE AND OUR INVOCATION. >> IF Y'ALL PRAY WITH ME, PLEASE. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US [INAUDIBLE]. FATHER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US ALL TOGETHER HERE TONIGHT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOU, BY SERVING YOU, FATHER, TO SERVE THE FELLOW CITIZENS HERE AT ANGLETON AND TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR WILL. WE PRAY FOR YOUR WISDOM, WE PRAY FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. LORD, WE ASK YOU FOR YOUR GUIDE. THE CITY STAFF, OUR POLICE FORCE, OUR FIREMAN, OUR EMS, [INAUDIBLE] GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DO THEIR BEST, FATHER, KEEP THEM SAFE. FATHER, JUST KEEP US CENTERED, KEEP US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE GIVE YOU PRAISE TONIGHT THROUGH CHRIST NAME. AMEN. >> AMEN. [NOISE] >> ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP TONIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT. WE KNOW THERE'S SOME IMPORTANT AGENDA ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING IN AND BEING PART OF THE PROCESS. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL. [CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL] WE HAVE MINDY OVER HERE. WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL CALL YOU UP AS THE ITEM COMES UP. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO ITEMS THAT AREN'T ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE'LL GET YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP. IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN ITEM THAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR, WE'LL BRING YOU UP AT THAT TIME. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT WANT TO COME UP JUST TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL. THE FIRST ONE IS PATTON RITTER. PLEASE, COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TO THE PODIUM. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY NAME IS PATTON RITTER AND I LIVE AT 305 SOUTH WALKER STREET HERE IN ANGLETON. I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND BRIEFLY INTRODUCE MYSELF. I AM RUNNING FOR COUNTY COURT AT LAW NO. 2. JUDGE MARK HOLDER IS RETIRING AT THE END OF HIS TERM AND SO I'M JUST WORKING TO TRY TO FILL THE VOID THAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT WHEN HE ACTUALLY RETIRES. I KNOW YOU ALL GOT A LOT TO GET THROUGH TONIGHT, SO I WILL KEEP IT SHORT. I'LL BE HERE THROUGHOUT THE END OF THE MEETING, SO I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE A LOT, BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR COURT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE JUDGES GET OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS JUST AS MUCH AS YOUR CITY COUNCIL ARE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MY WEBSITE IS PATTONFORJUDGE.COM AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU [NOISE] AND WORKING TO EARN YOUR VOTE. [NOISE] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NORMALLY WE DON'T INTERACT WITH PEOPLE AT THE PODIUM BECAUSE IT'S NOT AGENDA ITEM. BUT FOR MR. PATTON, IF YOU ARE GOING TO STAY TO THE END OF THE MEETING IT MAY BE A LONG NIGHT. [LAUGHTER] >> WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. [LAUGHTER] >> LITERALLY WE MIGHT BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. NEXT PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK IS COMMISSIONER DAVID LINDER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR-COUNCIL. >> YES, SIR. >> I APPRECIATE YOU. MY NAME IS DAVID LINDER. I'M THE PRECINCT 4 COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND I JUST WANTED TO SCRAP THE AREA SO EVERYONE KNOWS, I KNOW YOU FOLKS KNOW, BUT PRECINCT 4 ENCOMPASSES PART OF THE CITY LIMITS OF ANGLETON. I'M PROUD TO REPRESENT THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN ANGLETON. ALSO REPRESENTS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THE ETJ. I GUESS I CAN BETTER DEFINE THE ETJ. IT'S THE AREA SURROUNDING THE COUNTY OR SURROUNDING THE CITY THAT YOU HAVE JURISDICTION IN OR YOU HAVE PLANNING RIGHTS IN AND YOU COULD CONTROL SUBDIVISIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE BUT YET YOU DON'T PROVIDE SERVICES IF IT'S NOT ANNEXED. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT. I'VE GOT SOME REAL CONCERNS, AND ALL THIS IS IN RESPECT, WITH RESPECT TO YOU FOLKS GREATLY. BUT I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THE ETJS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON. THIS GOES, IN MY OPINION, FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY, NOT JUST THE CITY OF ANGLETON, BUT ALL THE ETJS IN PRECINCT 4. I THINK THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL AGREE IT'S ALL THE ETJS IN THE COUNTY. I ASK YOU, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU, BEG YOU TO NOT APPROVE SUBDIVISIONS WITH LOT SIZES LESS THAN 80 FOOT OR LESS THAN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS ADOPTED, WHICH IS 80 FOOT. WE HAVE STRICT ROAD RESTRICTIONS. [NOISE] WE HAVE MANY UPGRADED THINGS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, ASK YOU TO PLEASE NOT APPROVE ANYTHING LESS. I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, BUT I AM AGAINST HIGH-DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN THE ETJ. [00:05:03] IF YOU APPROVE THESE SUBDIVISIONS, YOU NEED TO ANNEX. CATCH THE FISH, YOU NEED TO CLEAN IT. DON'T PUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS. IT'S NOT FAIR. THE COUNTY CAN'T OFFER THE SERVICES THESE PEOPLE DEMAND AND NEED. RESPONSE OF TIME FROM SHERIFF'S OFFICE MAYBE 20 MINUTES. IT'S JUST NOT IDEAL. AGAIN, I RESPECT YOU FOLKS AND I'M GOING TO KEEP HARPING ON IT AND KEEP PRESSING THAT I JUST DON'T ENCOURAGE IT. I SAID THIS LAST TIME, ANGLETON IS UNIQUE, IT'S THE HEARTBEAT OF THE AREA. IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY AREAS THAT'S PROTECTED BY THE [NOISE] LEVEE SYSTEM, SO DON'T GIVE AWAY THE FARM. LET'S BE SELECTIVE. IN MY OPINION, VERY SELECTIVE ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT Y'ALL APPROVE, ESPECIALLY IN THE ETJS, ESPECIALLY IN THE COUNTY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. AGAIN, I'VE GOT MOST [NOISE] RESPECT FOR YOU, GENTLEMEN. YOU'VE GOT A TOUGH JOB. YOU GOT A AUDIENCE OF PEOPLE TO SATISFY TONIGHT, SO I RESPECT YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. [NOISE] THAT DOES IT FOR CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL. THE REST OF THE SLIPS I HAVE HERE ARE FOR ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. [NOISE] THAT MOVES US RIGHT ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. [CONSENT AGENDA] NUMBER 1, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 20210622-001, DESIGNATING THE ANGLETON REC CENTER AS A MASS CARE SHELTER FOLLOWING A DISASTER, REPEALING CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS, INCLUDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. COUNCIL. >> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. >> I SECOND. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. [2. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on Ordinance No. 20210622-002 rezoning approximately 7.22 acres from Chapter 28 Zoning, Article III, Section 28-54 Manufactured Home (MH) District to Chapter 28, Article III, Section 28-57 Commercial-General (C-G) and Article III, Section 28-62 Planned Development Overlay (CG-PD) of the Code of Ordinances, City of Angleton, Texas; providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and an effective date.] MOVING RIGHT ALONG, ITEM NUMBER 2. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210622-002, REZONING APPROXIMATELY 7.22 ACRES FROM CHAPTER 28 ZONING, ARTICLE 3, SECTION 28-54 MANUFACTURE HOMES, ALSO KNOWN AS MH, DISTRICT 2, CHAPTER 28, ARTICLE 3, SECTION 28-5 COMMERCIAL GENERAL, ALSO KNOWN AS CG, AND ARTICLE 3, SECTION 28-62, PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY CG-PD OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF ANGLETON TAXES PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY, AND PROVIDING FOR A RE-APPEAL ON AN EFFECTIVE DATE. IT LOOKS LIKE FIRST COUNTS, WE HAVE TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. >> MR. MAYOR, MOVING UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. GO AHEAD, WALTER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. FIRST, PROBABLY MANY TIMES I'LL BE UP HERE TONIGHT. AS YOU RECALL, YOU CONTINUE DECIDING FROM YOUR MAY 25TH COUNCIL MEETING AND ASKED THE STAFF TO DO SOME RESEARCH INTO WHETHER THERE HAD BEEN ANY ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS THAT ESTABLISHED A NO TRUCK ROUTE ALONG PHILLIPS ROAD. STAFF HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE ANY ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS IN REGARD TO THAT. AS I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY KNOW BY NOW, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES GIVES THE POLICE CHIEF WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE CITY ENGINEER THE POWER TO ESTABLISH THOSE THINGS. AS PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ASKED FOR AT THE LAST MEETING, ACTING POLICE CHIEF VALDEZ WENT OUT AND [NOISE] INVESTIGATED THE ROAD AND HAS HIS RESULTS TO REPORT TO YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WENT OUT ON PHILLIPS ROAD AND [NOISE] AT THE INTERSECTION OF PHILLIPS IN SHANKS. IF YOU'RE GOING BACK TOWARDS DIFFERENT ROAD, THERE IS A SIGN THAT IT'S A PICTURE OF A TRUCK WITH A RED OVER THE TRUCK. NOW, ON THE OTHER END, THERE'S NOTHING COMING OFF PHILLIPS ROAD. I KNOW THEY SUBMITTED A PICTURE. HOWEVER, THAT PICTURE IS ON GIFFORD. THAT SAYS NO THROUGH TRUCKS FOR THE COUNTY. NO THROUGH TRUCKS MEANS EXACTLY THAT. [00:10:02] NO THROUGH TRUCKS EXCEPT FOR DELIVERIES. IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DELIVERIES, WE CAN'T STOP THOSE DELIVERIES, BUT THE NO THROUGH TRUCKS WE CAN STOP. AS FAR AS SAFETY-WISE ON THAT STREET, I DROVE A SCHOOL BUS FOR SEVERAL YEARS DOWN PHILLIPS AND I WOULD STOP AND PUT ON THE AIR BRAKE IF I SAW AN 18-WHEELER COMING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HIT ME. IT'S NOT A VERY WIDE STREET. I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE TO PUT 18-WHEELERS DOWN THERE. WE CAN ESTABLISH A WEIGHT LIMIT TO PUT ON A STREET, BUT THEN WE'D HAVE TO ALSO HAVE SOMETHING TO WEIGHT THE TRUCKS WITH WHEN WE GET OUT THERE OR CALL EBS TO COME OUT AND TRY TO ENFORCE THAT. THAT'S MY TAKE ON THE PHILLIPS ROAD THING. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> I THINK WE'LL WAIT ONCE WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION, CHIEF, AND WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL [NOISE] CALL EACH INDIVIDUAL UP WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 2. THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE IS EMMANUEL GONZALES. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR-COUNCIL. EMMANUEL GONZALES, 238 EAST PHILLIPS ROAD. I GOT A ROUGH SITE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF COULD STEP UP. I KNOW YOU ASKED [INAUDIBLE] >> ABSOLUTELY. >>THERE'S A STAR NEXT TO EACH OF THE NEIGHBORING LOTS AND THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORS THAT I TALKED TO. THAT THEY APPROVED. >> OKAY. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] >> AS Y'ALL CAN SEE, THERE IS A PROPOSED BUILDING SHOP AND WE GET IT APPROVED TONIGHT, IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE HOWEVER YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, LIKE THE FENCE OR THE BUILDING, STUFF LIKE THAT. >> I'M SORRY. JUST FOR RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN JUST TELL US YOUR POSITION ON THIS. YOU'VE GIVEN US MATERIALS, WE WON'T INTERACT JUST YET UNTIL WE GET TO OUR DISCUSSION ONCE WE FINISHED THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY? >> OKAY. JUST THE AMERICAN DREAM IS NOT A WHITE PICKET FENCE ALL THE TIME. IT'S ENTREPRENEURSHIP, I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT UP WE HAVE A BRUCE MAGILL. PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> YES SIR. >> MY NAME'S BRUCE MAGILL, I LIVE AT 2270 EAST PHILLIPS, RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AND I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DON'T CHANGE THIS MORE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND BRING THE BUSINESS IN THERE LIKE THAT, WHERE 18-WHEELERS COME DOWN THAT STREET. AS THE POLICE CHIEF SAID, I DO HAVE THE PICTURES OF THE SIGN THAT'S WITHIN 100 FEET OF HIS DRIVEWAY ON THE NO TRUCKS. ON THE ONE ON GIFFORD RD, I'M CONTROVERSIAL ON THAT ONE, IF YOU SAY IT DOESN'T AFFECT THAT. IT SAYS NO THROUGH TRUCKS, IT'S ON GIFFORD AND IT'S APPROACHING PHILLIPS, IT DEAD-ENDS INTO PHILLIPS. IF YOU'VE GOT NO THROUGH TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THERE, THEY CAN'T COME DOWN PHILLIPS OR ANYTHING THERE. PHILLIPS IS COVERED FROM BOTH ENDS WITH A NO TRUCKS SIGN OF SOME KIND. RIGHT THERE AT THIS MAN'S DRIVEWAY, WE'VE GOT A CROSSOVER IN THE STREET THAT GOES TO THE DITCH FOR DRAINAGE. IT'S ALREADY SUNK IN. THEY'VE COME IN, THEY'VE PUT ASPHALT ON TOP OF THAT. BUT A CROSSROAD IT'S ALREADY SINKING IN. AT THE END OF OUR STREET, RIGHT THERE BY THIS FIRST SIGN THERE, IS IT SHANKS? SHANKS, I'M SORRY. THAT SEWER SYSTEM RIGHT THERE, WE JUST HAD REDONE JUST A NUMBER OF MONTHS BACK BECAUSE IT HAD COLLAPSED JUST FROM THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE ON THAT ROAD. THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS STREET IS GOING TO HOLD UP TO HEAVY 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC. I'M HERE TO JUST PLEAD THAT YOU PLEASE CONSIDER KEEPING THIS RESIDENTIAL AND LET'S NOT BRING THE HEAVY TRUCKS IN THERE. HOPEFULLY, I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I THINK, THAT ARE MY NEIGHBORS THAT MAY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ALSO ON THIS DEAL. [00:15:01] I HOPE THEY WILL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. MR. MAGILL. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT STEP, WE HAVE A GUSTAV VAZQUEZ. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GUSTAVO VAZQUEZ. I LIVE ON PHILLIPS ROAD. TOO. I'M ALSO OPPOSED TO THIS NEW ENTREPRENEURIAL, THIS GENTLEMEN RIGHT HERE. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED, ALL THE PEOPLE LIVING OVER THERE. BECAUSE SO FAR RIGHT NOW WE GOT PROBLEMS WITH THE ROAD LIKE MR. MAGILL SAYS. IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN WORSE WITH HEAVY TRAFFIC. WE'RE NOT CONSIDERED THAT. DIDN'T HAVE A COMMERCIAL ZONE OVER THERE BECAUSE WE GOT KIDS, GRAND-KIDS. THEY'RE OVER THERE. WE'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL ZONE THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE HEAVY TRAFFIC OVER THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED ON OUR FAMILIES. I REALLY OPPOSE ON THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. RICKY BRADLEY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I OPPOSE OF IT NOT BEING OVER THERE FOR THE SIMPLE REASON OF THE CHILDREN THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET. WE ALREADY GOT SCHOOL BUSES THAT GO UP AND DOWN THAT STREET. BETTER YET, 18-WHEELERS GOING UP AND DOWN IT? NOT TOO WELL GOING ON THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET. THERE'S NO ROAD THERE NOW, WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE WHEN18-WHEELERS COME DOWN? WELL, THANK YOU, AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I'M SO SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS THERE, BUT NO PUN INTENDED, BUT YOU DID CHECK, "I DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK" AND I JUST TOOK IT AS YOU'RE WANTING TO SPEAK. I'M SORRY. MY APOLOGIES. GLASSES DIDN'T WORK. I SAW THE CHECKBOX IN THE WRONG SLOT. YOU DID WELL SIR. THANK YOU THOUGH. ALRIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. MR. JIMMY WOOD. >> I'M JIMMY WOOD, 274 EAST PHILLIPS ROAD. I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE FIVE YEARS AGO. IT WAS ALL REAL QUIET AND EVERYTHING. THEY START DOING INDUSTRIAL THERE AND I OPPOSE IT BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP IT QUIET AND A SHORT NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, THE ROADS WILL NOT KEEP UP TO IT. WE HAVE PROBLEMS GETTING IN AND OUT. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO DO BUT OPPOSE IT. THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP OUR ROAD PRETTY WELL AND MAINTAINED GOOD. LIKE THEY ALL SAID, DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION OF SHANKS, THEY TOOK HIM A WEEK TO FIX THE SEWER LINE THERE. IF THEY KEEP RUNNING TRUCKS OVER IT, ROAD GOES DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO BE, WHAT? TWO MONTHS? WE HAVE ONE LANE IN, ONE LANE OUT. LIKE I SAY, IF THEY START RUNNING TRUCKS OVER IT, THE ROAD WILL NOT STAND UP. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. WOOD. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THOSE THAT WERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN A NORMALLY IN A PUBLIC HEARING, WE DO ALLOW FOR ANY OTHER AUDIENCE PARTICIPANTS WHO WOULD WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK. THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO AT THIS TIME. BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> YOUR HONOR? >>YES. >> ONE MAN DID NOT GET HIS CHANCE. >> YES. GO AHEAD WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING. >> YOUR HONOR, COUNCIL STEVE ROSA, 290 EAST PHILLIPS. I OPPOSE THIS ALSO AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT THE CHIEF SHARED WITH YOU I THINK IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. THE ROADBED ON ONE SIDE IS THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT WHICH IS A 12-FOOT DITCH, LESS THAN THREE FEET OFF OF THE EDGE OF THE HIGHWAY. THE OTHER GOES INTO ALL OF THE YARDS AND SO IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR TRAFFIC. WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH HEAVY TRAFFIC THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL AND NOT BRING HEAVY TRUCKS THROUGH FOR COMMERCIAL USE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. ROSA. ANYBODY ELSE WANTING TO SPEAK ON, FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER 2. GO AHEAD SIR. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS ROBERT LISCHKA, I'M A 202 PEACH POINT IN JOHN'S CREEK, TEXAS AND I OWN THAT PROPERTY FOR 50 YEARS. [00:20:01] I'D LIKE TO MENTION SOMETHING, MIGHT HAVE REGARD TO WHAT'S GOING ON. BY JANUARY 2001, I WANTED TO PUT SOME TRADERS IN THERE. I WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE BIT, THIS COUNCIL ON THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, AND I GOT APPROVED. THOSE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING ON THE SAME ROAD THAT I WOULD HAVE TRADERS IN THERE. I DON'T HAVE BUT ONE PAGE TO REFER TO, BUT THE LADY AT THE CITY HALL SAID THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE RECORDS AND SEE FOR SURE WHETHER IT WAS APPROVED OR NOT. THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE, LAST CALL? SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL, COUNCIL. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE'RE INTO THE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION PHASE OF ITEM NUMBER 2. COUNCIL. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS JUMPED OUT AT ME. THE FIRST THAT I SAW IS PHILLIPS ROAD IS DESIGNATED AS A MAJOR COLLECTOR. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T MEET THE MAJOR COLLECTOR STATUS. THAT WAS TELLING TO ME. WALTER THOUGHT THAT REALLY JUMPED OUT. WE ALL KNOW THE ISSUES WITH PHILLIPS ROAD AND MY ISSUE IS, I LIKE YOUR BUSINESS IDEA AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. ACTUALLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COME UP TO ME AND TOLD ME HOW GREAT OF A BUSINESS ENTREPRENEUR YOU ARE. I REALLY HOPE WE CAN FIND A PLACE FOR YOU IN THE CITY BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD BUSINESS IDEA. MY ONLY ISSUE STILL IS THE ROAD, AND PHILLIPS ROAD IS NOT THE ROAD FOR 18 WHEELERS. THAT'S WHERE I KEEP COMING BACK TO. IF THERE IS SOME WAY TO DELIVER YOUR PRODUCT OUTSIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY TO SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHOUT USING THAT ROAD, I WOULD BE ALL IN FAVOR OF IT. BUT MY ISSUE IS STILL THE ROAD, AND JUST THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT ROAD AS IT IS. IT NEEDS ATTENTION AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE IN MY OPINION. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? EITHER FOR STAFF OR FOR THE ACTUAL GENTLEMAN THAT'S THE ONE WHO PROPOSED THIS BUSINESS? >> HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DO YOU ANTICIPATE WITH THE BIG TRUCKS? >> IN THE SUMMER MONTHS ABOUT THREE TO FOUR PER WEEK, AND THAT'S PER WEEK. WE CAN SCHEDULE THEM TO WHERE THEY COME PICK UP PALETTES AT AVERAGE OF ABOUT 400-500 POUNDS. BUT WE CAN'T SCHEDULE WITH THE SAME FREIGHT COMPANY, SO MAYBE ONE FREIGHT COMPANY, EVEN THOUGH WE'D PAY AN EXTRA FEE, $20 OR WHATEVER. WE COULD PUT THEM ALL IN THE SAME TRUCK, AND THAT'S JUST DURING PEAK SEASON, WE SELL UMBRELLAS. RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN PEAK SEASON. BUT DURING THE WINTER MONTHS WE WOULD ONLY HAVE UPS TRUCK SHOW UP, AND THAT'S DAILY UPS TRUCKS. THOSE ARE JUST THE REGULAR BROWN TRUCKS YOU SEE AT THE RESIDENTIAL. >> I THINK AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, YOU HAD SAID THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GO WITH IS THAT SINGLE DELIVERY, TRY TO MINIMIZE IT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. BUT I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ADDED COST, I KNOW THAT COULD HURT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. [OVERLAPPING] IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE PALLETS VIA A HOTSHOT TO A RENDEZVOUS POINT WITH AN 18 WHEELER? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TRY THAT SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE I'M IN THE SAME BOAT AS WELL ABOUT SAFETY, THE SIZE OF THAT ROAD, THE HEAVINESS OF THE 18 WHEELER, WHAT DAMAGE COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN FROM THAT TRUCK. BUT I'M THINKING ALSO AS A WAREHOUSE SIDE, COULD YOU HOTSHOT IT, PUT IT ON A TRAILER, SMALL LOW BOARD OR SOMETHING, MOVE THAT PALETTE, AND RENDEZVOUS WITH 18 WHEELER OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. [00:25:02] I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE IF YOU'VE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. THAT FOR SURE IS ADDED COST AS WELL BECAUSE WE WANT YOU TO HAVE YOUR DREAM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT BIG TRUCK. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. >> YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE EFFICIENT AT ALL. YES, SIR. >> GOT YOU. >> I'D BE LYING IF I TELL YOU, "YEAH, WE COULD DO IT." [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> I KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAVE A COST. I REALIZE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A COST TO THAT. >> WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS LIKE THAT. >> GOT YOU. >> THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD DO LIKE I SAID, IS SCHEDULE THEM TO WHERE ONE FREIGHT COMPANY PICKS UP DIFFERENT PALLETS. WE COULD DO THAT FOR SURE. >> THE ISSUE THOUGH IS THAT WE'RE REZONING TO ANOTHER CG DISTRICT AND THAT'S ALL THE ACTION WE'RE TAKING. YOU CAN TELL US THAT YOU'LL DO ONCE A WEEK DELIVERY BUT WE CAN'T PUT ANY STIPULATIONS IN. I TRIED THAT ROUTE THE FIRST TIME, AND PROBABLY I TRIED TO DO IN AN SUP, BUT APPARENTLY I COULDN'T GET THAT THROUGH. THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THE ACTION THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE IS JUST TO REZONE AND THAT'S IT. >> MR. WALTER. >> ACTUALLY, MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] , THIS IS TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICTS SO YOU CAN PUT THOSE STIPULATIONS IN THERE. >> FROM MANUFACTURER AT HOME DISTRICT TO THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL DISTRICT WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPED OVERLY. IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST TIME? >> NO, THEY'RE THE SAME REQUEST [INAUDIBLE] >> I REMEMBER THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. >> WHAT I'M HEARING, JOHN OR EVEN FROM WALTER, WE COULD HAVE A STIPULATION IN THERE. HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT STIPULATION? WHO CHECKS IT? WHO MONITORS IT? THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS. GENERALLY SPEAKING, LIKE ANY OTHER ZONING VIOLATION, IT WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. IF IT'S ABOUT LIMITING THE NUMBER OF 18-WHEEL TRUCKS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RELY ON THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THAT COMPLAINT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYBODY SITTING OUT THERE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY COUNTING THE NUMBER OF 18-WHEELERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET. BUT IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE WILL CERTAINLY GO OUT AND START A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION TO SEE IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. >> THAT'S THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE COULD DO THAT STIPULATION AND WE COULD KEEP IT AROUND THREE OR FOUR. I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY DOABLE. I COULD RECOMMEND MR. MAGILL, COULD BE THE NEIGHBOR TO KEEP WATCH. [BACKGROUND] THEY DO AN AWESOME JOB AND I WANT TO APPLAUD HIM BECAUSE HE RILED UP THE NEIGHBORS, EVEN MR. GUSTAVO. [BACKGROUND] HE HAD SIGNED THE PAPER SAYING THAT HE AGREED TO MY EXPLAINING TO HIM. I'M NOT A POLITICIAN BUT I DO APPLAUD YOU MR. MAGILL. YOU DID AN AWESOME JOB. YES, SIR. LIKE I SAID, IT'S A BUSINESS. IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS AND LIKE I SAID, THE AMERICAN DREAM, A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S A WHITE PICKET FENCE BUT THE REAL ONE IS ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES AMERICA. I'M NOT HURTING NOBODY. THE CHIEF OF POLICE SAID HE DID HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND THAT'S EVEN ON A REGULAR VEHICLE, YOU SEE TWO F350S COMING. MAYBE YOU COULD ASK HIM HOW MANY TIMES THAT HE EXPERIENCED THAT? WAS IT A DAILY THING? ONCE IN A WHILE? I COULD SCHEDULE THE TRUCKS THAT COME IN FROM 1:00-3:00 PM. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE CAN DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THE BUS PASSES BY. >> YOU DID SAY IN YOUR OPENING THAT IT WOULD BE THREE OR FOUR AT THE PEAK AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING THREE OR FOUR EVERY WEEK. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A REALISTIC NUMBER. >> THREE OR FOUR AT THE PEAK BECAUSE DURING THE WINTER MONTHS, UMBRELLAS DON'T SELL. BUT I'M SAYING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STIPULATION. IF WE COULD PUT 3-4, THAT'LL COVER THE WINTER MONTHS UNLESS WE COULD PUT THE STIPULATION WHERE THE WINTER MONTHS IS LESS AND SUMMER IS MORE. [00:30:03] I'M TRYING TO GET THE BUSINESS HERE. I'M OPEN TO ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS. >> I HAVE TO ALSO THINK TOO. WE DO HAVE ONE BUSINESS IN TOWN. THIS JUST COMES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT ALL PERSPECTIVES, SO DON'T THROW STONES AT ME. I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT GLOBALLY. WE DO HAVE A BUSINESS, THE HOSPITAL. THEY GET 18-WHEELERS EVERY DAY ON HOSPITAL DRIVE. THEY DO. I'M JUST BEING HONEST AND OPEN. THAT'S NOT A VERY WIDE STREET BUT THEY DO GET 18-WHEELERS. THEY GET LINEN TRUCKS, MEDICAL SUPPLY TRUCKS, THEY GET THEIR FOOD TRUCKS, THEY GET THEIR 18-WHEELER TWICE A WEEK. THE MRI TRAILER COMES ON THAT ROAD. I'VE SEEN IT DONE IN A SMALL STREET. NOW IT'S NOT A THE LONG RUN COMING OFF A HOSPITAL BUT IT IS NARROW. WE'VE ALL BEEN TO HOSPITAL DRIVE. THAT IS A NARROW STREET. THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT TIGHT TURN TO GET INTO BOTH THEIR DRIVEWAYS. I'M JUST THINKING ALSO, GUYS, WE DO ALLOW IT IN ONE SMALL AREA. IT'S GOT A SMALL RESIDENTIAL BESIDE IT, IT'S GOT A TRAILER PARK, AND THEN A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES. BUT I'M ALSO JUST TRYING TO BE REALISTIC TOO ON THE IMPACT BECAUSE WHAT WE DECIDE TONIGHT WILL IMPACT FOREVER UNTIL WHETHER YOU STAY OPEN OR YOU DON'T SUCCEED, WHICH WE ALWAYS WANT YOU TO SUCCEED. BUT WHAT WE DECIDE THIS EVENING HAS A LONG-TERM EFFECT. WE HAVE TO WEIGH ON OUR SHOULDERS IS, ARE WE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION? I TRY TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AS FAR AS WHAT ELSE GOES ON IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD LOOK WHAT YOU'RE DOING. ONE OF THEM IS THE HOSPITAL. IT HAPPENS OVER THERE. [BACKGROUND] THEY'VE TORE THE ROAD UP OVER THERE. WE'VE HAD TO REPHASE IT SEVERAL TIMES, RESURFACE IT, BECAUSE IT GETS LOT OF TRAFFIC. IT DOES. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. IT'S JUST SAFETY. WE'RE GOING ON YOUR WORD. IF WE SAY THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WE'RE GOING ON YOUR WORD, AND WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AS WELL TOO. >> I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THERE ARE NO THROUGH TRUCKS. WE DO PLAN ON MAKING THE 18-WHEELERS PULL INTO THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF FRONTAGE ROAD. WE'D BE ABLE TO PULL THEM IN THERE, TURN THEM AROUND. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THOUGHT IT WAS MAYBE, A QUARTER MILE FROM 288 BUSINESS. MAYBE TWO BLOCKS OR SOMETHING, MAYBE. >> IT'S ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM THERE TO THERE. >> YES, SIR. SO IT'S NOT. >> GENTLEMEN, MR. BOOTH, YOU GOT SOMETHING? >> IF THE REPETITION OF THE TRUCKS WERE MORE THAN THAT, I'D BE MORE CONCERNED. IF IT WERE JUST ALL DAY LONG AT THE EPS CENTER OVER HERE, YOU'D REALLY START WEARING THE STREET OUT. IF YOUR REGULAR TRUCK CAN AND YOU CAN'T LIMIT THE WEIGHT OF THE TRUCK, YOU CAN'T LIMIT WHAT THE TRUCK'S ALREADY GOT ON IT OR WHAT IT DOESN'T HAVE ON IT. [NOISE] IT'S NOT THROUGH TRAFFIC. THROUGH TRAFFIC WOULD BE GOING DOWN TO GIFFORD AND ON OUT TO CEMETERIES AND [INAUDIBLE]. DELIVERIES ARE OKAY. YOU'RE TALKING OF THE FULL LENGTH 18-WHEELERS OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE OF THE [NOISE] SMALLER [NOISE] BODY? >> NO. IT'S FULL LENGTH. >> THE FULL LENGTH. >> YES SIR. IT'S LIKE THOSE COMPANIES, THEY GO AROUND AND PICK UP DIFFERENT FREIGHT. FOR SURE, I DON'T KNOW THE WEIGHT OF THEM BUT IT'S NOT PACKED IN THERE JAM. IT'S LIKE MY PALETTES, 57 BY 57, 3 FEET HIGH, SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY MIGHT HAVE A MOTOR, SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE SOME BOXES. I THINK THE WEIGHT COULD BE FORTY SOMETHING THOUSAND POUND BUT I DON'T SEE THAT AT ALL BEING THE CASE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY GO AROUND TO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND PICK UP DIFFERENT SIZED OBJECTS. >> ALL RIGHT. >> CAN CHIEF MARS SPEAK ON THIS? >> YEAH. >> CHIEF MARS? >> [NOISE] YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS AS ACTING CHIEF VALDEZ. AT THE MAXIMUM, THAT ROADWAY IS PROBABLY 10 FOOT PER LANE. THAT'S THE MINIMUM ROADWAY THAT A COUNCIL CAN VOTE IN. BY STATE RULES OR BY STATE LAWS, IT'S 11 FOOT AS A MINIMUM. THAT ROADWAY IS 10-11 FOOT PER LANE, 22 FOOT TOTAL. FOR INSTANCE, A FIRE TRUCK IS ABOUT 9 AND 1/2 FOOT WIDE AND ASSIGNED WITH AN 18 WHEELER, SO DO THAT MATH. A SCHOOL BUS RUNS ABOUT 8 AND 1/2 TO NINE FOOT WIDE, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR ERROR. THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THE ROAD DOESN'T HAVE IMPROVED CURVES ON THE SIDES. [00:35:08] THE WEIGHT ON THE SIDES OF THAT ROAD, THAT BLACK TOP CAN'T HANDLE THAT WEIGHT BECAUSE IT PUSHES OUT. IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE ROAD ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY SLOPED OFF. AS TO MY CONCERNS ON 18 WHEELER, WE TALK ABOUT THE WEIGHT. KEEP IN MIND THAT 18 WHEELER CAN WEIGH UP TO 80,000 POUNDS. YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THAT 18 WHEELER COMES TO THAT [INAUDIBLE]. WE CAN SAY IT CAN BE 40, WE CAN SAY IT COULD BE 50. EIGHTY THOUSAND POUNDS IS LEGAL, SO YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT. IN THE END, MY OTHER CONCERN IS WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AND IT'S A PRETTY BIG WAREHOUSE. I REALLY WANT HIM TO HAVE THIS BUSINESS. I REALLY WANT THIS BUSINESS TO SUCCEED. HOWEVER, THIS IS A HUGE FIRE LOAD IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. LOOK AT THE OTHER POTENTIAL PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN THAT AREA, YOU COULD HAVE A PROBLEM SURROUNDING THAT WAREHOUSE. THANK YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU. >> [NOISE] I'M NOT GOING THROUGH PUBERTY, IT'S SORE THROAT. >> SAME HERE. >> THE COUNCILMAN RIGHT HERE HAS A SORE THROAT TOO, SO WE WON'T TALK PROBABLY AS MUCH TONIGHT. COUNCIL, YOU'VE HEARD SOME DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE REZONING REQUEST MADE. >> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> JUST A SIDE COMMENT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, BUT IT BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE WE MIGHT BE HAVING POCKET ZONING. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION. WE DO A LOT OF TROUBLE TO DECIDE WHAT AREAS WOULD BE THIS ZONE, THAT ZONE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. TO DO PARKING ZONING JUST DEFEATS THE PURPOSE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT, SIR. ANY MORE COMMENTS BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE? >> YES, REAL QUICK. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR BEING DILIGENT IN PURSUING THIS. I DO HOPE YOU CAN FIND A PLACE IN ANGLETON. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU. I LOVE YOUR ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT, IT WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON. LOCATION IS JUST A PROBLEM, AND IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL. BLAME ME, IF WE COULD DO ANYTHING TO ASSIST YOU IN FINDING THE RIGHT PLACE TO MAKE YOUR HOME IN ANGLETON, WE'D LOVE TO DO THAT FOR YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WELL, I DO APPRECIATE IT AND LIKE I SAID, BUGGING YOU ALL FOR A FEW MONTHS. >> WELL, WE'RE HAVING [INAUDIBLE]. WE JUST STARTED. >> THEY ASKED ME IN 5TH GRADE, WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT YOU? I NEVER GIVE UP. [LAUGHTER] >> GOOD, SO DON'T. >> PLEASE DON'T. >> I DO APPRECIATE IT AND I LIKE TO SAY HEADS UP TO MR. [INAUDIBLE] , [LAUGHTER] POLITICIAN MR. [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT THEN, GUYS. I DO APPRECIATE IT. LIKE I SAID, ALL RESPECT TO YOU GUYS AND I KNOW YOU GOT A JOB TO DO. SOMETIMES YOU WIN, SOMETIMES YOU LOSE, BUT APPRECIATE IT. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU. >> ANYMORE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE I CALL FOR THE VOTE? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER 3. [3. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on Ordinance No. 20210622-003 rezoning approximately 164.5 acres from Chapter 28 Zoning Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-42 Agricultural (AG) District to the Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-47 Single Family Residential 5 (SF-5) District of the Code of Ordinances City of Angleton, Texas; providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and an effective date.] CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210622-003, REZONING APPROXIMATELY AT 164.5 ACRES FROM CHAPTER 28, ZONING ARTICLE 3. ZONING DISTRICT, SECTION 28-4, ARTICLE ALSO KNOWN AS AG DISTRICT TO THE ARTICLE 3 ZONING DISTRICT SECTION 28-47, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 5, ALSO KNOWN AS SF5. DISTRICT OR THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WALTER? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL JUST RIGHT UP FRONT. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS RELATED TO THIS, SO YOU SHOULD ALSO OPEN THAT ONE. [OVERLAPPING] THE ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THIS. I WOULD SAY YOU CAN OPEN IT NOW AND THEN YOU SHOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REZONING. >> WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. I'LL GO AND CALL FOR NUMBER 13 AS WELL, DISCUSSION WITH POSSIBLE ACTION ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH TEJAS-ANGLETON DEVELOPMENT, LLC FOR THE AUSTIN COLONY PROJECT SO THAT WE HAVE BOTH THEM ON THE TABLE. >> GOT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> COUNCIL? >> I MAKE A MOTION, WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >>ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING. I DID NOT GET ANYBODY WITH A SLIP TO SPEAK UP, [00:40:01] BUT WE ARE A PUBLIC HEARING SO SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST ONCE I ALLOW MR. WALTER TO GIVE US A BRIEF SYNOPSIS? >> BRIEF, I SHALL BE. THIS ITEM WAS BEFORE YOU'RE BACK IN MARCH AND IT WAS TABLED NOT TO A DATE CERTAIN. TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, WE HAD TO REDO THE NOTICE FOR THIS. PART OF THE REASON THAT IT WAS TABLED IS BECAUSE COUNCIL HAD NO DECISION TO MAKE ON IT. IT WAS FIRST-RATE SF5 REZONING. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEETING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS MET WITH ALL OF YOU ALL AND TALKED ABOUT HIS PROJECT WITH YOU. YOU HAVE A MORE FORMALIZED LAND PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU NOW THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED A FEW MONTHS BACK THAT WAS BASICALLY A CRAYOLA DRAWING. LONG STORY SHORT IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS IN IT THAT AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY IN REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF LOTS OF VARIOUS LOT SIZES. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS NOT COMPLETED HER WORK ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT YOU DISCUSS THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, AND THEN CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE OF THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IS IN JULY. >> [NOISE] TWENTY-SEVENTH MAYBE. >> TWENTY-SEVEN, SO THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN COMPLETE THE PREPARATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS SO THAT WHATEVER ADDITIONAL ITEMS YOU WANT TO SEE IN IT CAN BE PUT INTO IT. HOPEFULLY IN BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, THE DEVELOPER ALSO HAS AN APPLICATION FOR PID PETITION. HOPEFULLY, WE WILL HAVE A PID POLICY FOR YOU TO REVIEW AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN THEN COME TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT? COME ON UP, SIR. >> I DIDN'T SIGN. >> NO, YOU'RE GOOD. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO. >> IT'S PUBLIC HEARING, [NOISE] JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> HELLO, EVERYONE. JUSTIN [INAUDIBLE] I'M IN 6 PALM, BUT MY FAMILY HAS LAND RIGHT THERE AT THE AUSTIN SETTLEMENT. [NOISE] ONE THING I WANTED TO BRING UP AND HONESTLY, I'M NOT REALLY THAT WELL VERSED ON EVERYTHING, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. ONE IS IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M PRO FAVOR OF DEVELOPMENT, I'VE COME TO THIS CITY COUNCIL BEFORE AND SPOKE IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT WHEN WE DO THAT DEVELOPMENT, WE SHOULD DEVELOP SMART. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE PAYING ATTENTION IN REAL ESTATE AROUND THIS CITY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WE NEED TO FIT OURSELVES INTO A PIGEON HOLE OF WHAT A DEVELOPER TELLS US, THEY WANT US TO DO OR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. BUT THE DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS THEY CAN PUT ON A PROPERTY, PERIOD. WE HAVE TO UPHOLD OUR RULES. WE HAVE TO MAKE THEM FOLLOW OUR RULES. THAT'S WHY WE MAKE THOSE RULES. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BUY AND LIVE IN. I SOLD A HOUSE ON 360 WESTWOOD, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE YEARS AGO. THAT HOUSE SOLD FOR ABOUT $60,000 MORE THAN I SOLD IT FOR. IT WAS ONLY MARKED THREE DAYS. THAT HOUSE WAS ON AN ACRE-AND-A-HALF LOT. IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE ABOUT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THAT AREA TIES VERY MUCH TO A COMMUNITY THAT HAS LARGE LOTS. WE'RE SELLING OURSELVES SHORT IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND PUT THE MOST AMOUNT OF HOMES ON THE SMALLEST LOTS POSSIBLE. WE SHOULD ENFORCE OUR RULES, AND I AGREE WITH OUR COMMISSIONER. DAVE LEONARD CAME IN HERE AND SAID THAT WE SHOULDN'T APPROVE LOT SMALLER THAN. NOW I BELIEVE WE ARE SET AT 60 FOOT, SO THAT SHOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. BUT REALLY WHAT YOU AS A COUNCIL SHOULD DO IS LOOK AT MAYBE RAISING THAT. WE HAVE A TON OF HOMES COMING INTO THIS COMMUNITY. WE'RE BEING BRIEFED ON THIS AS TO HOW MANY HOMES WE HAVE COMING IN AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR EVERYONE THAT COMES IN. [00:45:03] IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY, IF WE PUT A LOT OF HOMES ON A SMALL AMOUNT OF LAND, THOSE HOMES AREN'T SELLING AT A PREMIUM AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THOSE, THAT IS A NET NEGATIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE OR THE OR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE HOUSE SELLS FOR AS MUCH AS IT IS, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TO SERVICE. SO DON'T SELL A SHORT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER 3? COME ON UP, SIR. >> WILLIAM STEGNER 10:37, COUNTY ROAD 44. OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GOING TO REDO MY SPEECH BECAUSE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS HEARD IT FROM LAST TIME. I'M FOR THIS, BECAUSE IT IS MY FAMILY'S LAND. I KNOW THAT WHAT MR. JANAE IS TALKING ABOUT HIS FAMILY'S LAND USED TO BE OUR HORSE ARENA. HE'S MORE THAN WELCOME TO BUY OUR LAND IF HE WANTS TO BUY IT OR HIS FAMILY CAN. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST WHEN I'M ON COUNCIL THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LAND AROUNDING THEM CHANGING AND THEY DON'T OWN THE LAND, THEY JUST WANT TO KEEP IT. THEY WANT TO TIE THE OWNER'S HANDS THOUGH. EXAMPLE, I LIKE TO SEE COWS IN MY BACKYARD. I'VE HEARD WHEN I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THEY WANT COWS TO STAY THERE, THEY DON'T WANT HOMES TO POP UP BEHIND THEM, BUY THE COW PASTURE AND PUT COWS ON IT THEN. YOU'RE NOT THE LANDOWNER MAINTAINING THE LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AGAIN, THIS DEVELOPMENT, I THINK IS WHAT, 55, 60 PLUS FOOT LOTS. ANGLETON ALLOWS LESS THAN THAT. IT'S IN THE CODES. WE BUILT LESS THAN THAT. YOU-ALL BUT PROVED LESS THAN THAT. WHAT ELSE DID MR. JANAE SAY? MR. LINDER SAID, BIG LOTS, BUT THAT'S IN THE COUNTY. BIG LOTS MAKES SENSE IN THE COUNTY. YOU HAVE ACREAGE. 80 FOOT LOTS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH ACREAGE IN THE CITY LIMITS. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER IS HIGH DENSITY AND SERVICES. THAT ALL MAKE SENSE IN THE COUNTY, IT'S MORE SPREAD OUT, IT'S FURTHER. THE COUNTY'S BIGGER THAN THE CITY. WE CAN SERVICES IN THE CITY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE SPEAKING ON FOR OR AGAINST? WE'RE IN A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 3. SECOND CALL. >> MR. MAYOR. >> GO AHEAD, SIR. >> I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM MY RESIDENT, IF I MAY READ IT TO THE RECORD. >> YOU GO AHEAD, SIR. >> OKAY, IT SAYS, "MY NAME IS BETH JANAE. MY FAMILY OWNS PROPERTY SURROUNDED BY THE PROPERTY THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE REZONED R1 FROM AGRICULTURE ON COUNTY ROAD 44. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS. IF AS I AM HEARING COUNTY ROAD 44 WILL BECOME THE GATEWAY TO THE COMMUNITY, THEN I WILL HAVE TO ASSUME YOU WANT IT TO LOOK AS NICE AS POSSIBLE. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE DEVELOPER PLANS OTHER THAN DRAWING. THE DRAWING I SAW A FEW WEEKS AGO [NOISE] SHOWS MORE THAN 500 HOMES ON 50, 55 AND 60 FOOT LOTS. I ALSO SAW ON THE PLAN THAT THE BACKYARDS OF SOME OF THESE HOMES WILL FACE COUNTY ROAD 44. I DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND THAT THE HERITAGE OAKS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION RULES ENSURE ALL FENCES ARE WITHIN CERTAIN GUIDELINES THAT CREATE VERY PLEASING AESTHETICS FOR THE PROPERTY. THEY ALSO MUST MAINTAIN THE FENCES AT ALL TIMES. THIS IS ONE REASON WHY HERITAGE OAKS REMAINS ONE OF THE NICEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN ANGLETON. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE RESULTS WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NOT PLACE, JUST SIMPLY DRIVE DOWN HENDERSON ROAD. YOU'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN. I ASK YOU, DO YOU WANT THE GATEWAY TO THE COMMUNITY OR YOU WILL INVEST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR SIGNS ETC. TO LOOK LIKE THAT? ALSO, I'D LIKE TO GO ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT I ALONG WITH MY FAMILY BELIEVE THAT THE SIZE OF LOTS FOR THE PREMIER DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO THE GATEWAY OF ANGLETON ARE TOO SMALL. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS BE MORE SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE STREET. WE ALSO BELIEVE THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT. THANK YOU." [OVERLAPPING] WHEN I SENT THAT E-MAIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS E-MAILED TO EVERYBODY ON CITY COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU, SIR. [BACKGROUND] COME ON UP, SIR. MR. SANDY, AT THAT PODIUM. [NOISE] >> MY NAME IS SANDY RAY AND I AM THE DEVELOPER. I THINK THE E-MAIL YOU JUST READ IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. [NOISE] I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THOSE STREETS AND YOU SEE OLD FENCES FALLING DOWN, IT'S AN EYE SORE. ALSO THERE'S STUDIES, I CAN'T GIVE THEM TO YOU, MAYBE THE POLICEMAN COULD. THERE'S STUDIES THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CLEAN, WELL-LIGHTED, PLANTED, IRRIGATED SURROUNDINGS, YOU HAVE LOWER CRIME. [00:50:07] WHEN YOU DON'T, YOU GET HIGHER CRIME. YOU GOT THE BACK OF CURB AND THEN YOU HAVE A GRASS FROM THE BACK OF CURB TO THE SIDEWALK. THERE WILL BE AT LEAST 3-4 FEET OF GRASS. THEN THERE'LL BE A NICE SIZED SIDEWALK AND THEN THEY'LL BE FOUR FEET BEFORE YOU GET TO THE FENCE, AND THAT WILL BE PLANTED, IT WILL BE IRRIGATED, AND THE FENCE WILL BE A PREMIUM FENCE, SO YOU'LL HAVE PLANTS THAT ARE IRRIGATED, AND A PREMIUM FENCE, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF VEGETATION. WHEN PEOPLE WALK DOWN AUSTIN COUNTY BOULEVARD AT NIGHT, OR EVEN DURING THE DAY, THEY'RE NOT WALKING SO CLOSE TO THE STREET, THEY'RE FOUR FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE CURVE. WE WILL LANDSCAPE AND WE HAVE A NICE BUDGET TO LANDSCAPE SKY ROAD 44, SO WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE BY AT NIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A LIGHTED, A LANDSCAPE WITH A NICE MONUMENT, LOT OF VEGETATION, LOT OF WATER. IT'LL LOOK NICE. IT REALLY WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE IN AND SEE. I AGREE, THIS IS THE GATEWAY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. [NOISE] >> SECOND CALL FOR ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON OR FOR AGAINST THIRD ONE. COUNCIL. >> MAKE A MOTION WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> NO. >> WE KEEP UP, THAT'S RIGHT. I SAW MY NOTE. >> SINCE THE CITY HAD THE EXPENSE OF RE-NOTICING, REPUBLISHING FROM THE LAST TIME IN THE EVENT THAT YOU WANT TO DO THE SAME THING AGAIN, IF YOU KEEP THE HEARING OPEN, WE WANT IT TO GO TO THAT EXPENSE. I SUGGEST YOU KEEP IT OPEN WHILE YOU DISCUSS THE ITEM AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITEM. >> GOT YOU. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT OPEN, BUT NOW, WE STILL HAVE THE PORTION OF THE ITEM NUMBER FOR DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ORDINATES FOR THIS FREE ZONE. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT ALLOWS YOU TO NOT MAKE A DECISION, RIGHT? >> OH, THAT'S RIGHT. I'VE ONLY SLEPT A LITTLE BIT LAST NIGHT OR THIS MORNING. SORRY. >> I THINK THAT'S A VERY WISE DECISION, ACTUALLY. HERE'S MY ISSUE. WILLIAMS, I RESPECT YOU A LOT. MR. RAY, YOU'VE BEEN VERY STAND UP AND I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU'VE CONDUCTED BUSINESS WITH US. VERY TRANSPARENT, TRYING TO WORK WITH US. MY ISSUE IS STILL THE SAME THAT I HAD BEFORE AND I THOUGHT WE HAD RESOLVED THIS, BUT APPARENTLY, IT CAME BACK. UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS PURCHASED, MY CONCERN IS TAKING AN AG DISTRICT AND MOVING IT TO SFI BEFORE THE CLOSURE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT MEANS IF FOR SOME REASON, WE APPROVE AN SFI HERE, AND THEN THE AGREEMENT IS NULL AND VOID, YOU WALK AWAY, MR. RAY, OR WHATEVER HAPPENS, THEN THAT PROPERTY IS PERMANENTLY REZONED SFI WITH THAT POINT. THAT'S MY CONCERN. CAN HE TALK? >> YEAH, GO AHEAD WILLIAMS. COME TO THE PODIUM. >> [BACKGROUND] WE ALREADY REZONE TONIGHT, AND MR. RAY WAS TO WALK AWAY FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE PURCHASE DIDN'T GO THROUGH, IT COMES BACK TO US. ALL WE'VE GOT TO DO IS PETITION. THEY COME BACK TO DE-ANNEX IT, JUST LIKE THIS NEVER HAPPENED. BECAUSE YOU-ALL DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE ME SERVICES AND I'M RIGHT THERE. >> NO. >> YOU-ALL DON'T WANT TO GIVE ME A SEWER LINE, YOU-ALL DON'T WANT TO GIVE ME A WATERLINE, THAT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. YOU [INAUDIBLE] NO DEVELOPMENT COMES IN THERE. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT IT IN CITY IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH. THE COUNTY IS JUST EASIER FOR AGRICULTURE PURPOSES ANYWAYS. >> WHY CAN'T THIS BE A PD? >> I DON'T KNOW WHY. I'M NOT THE DEVELOPER, JOHN. >> SURE. >> THAT'S STAFF QUESTION, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU- ALL. I THINK YOUR STAFF TONIGHT TABLE IT, LET YOUR LAWYERS LOOK AT THAT AGREEMENT, EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY PEACE TONIGHT. >> SURE. >> BUT IF IT DID GO BACK, DID FALL THROUGH, WE PROBABLY WOULD ASK THE ANNEX IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE. >> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION JOHN OR LEAST, LOWER A LITTLE ANXIETY, SWEATY PALMS? [LAUGHTER] >> STILL, I MEAN [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD POINT OUT THOUGH THAT THAT WOULD STILL COST MONEY. THAT'S STAFF TIME, [NOISE] IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST SAYING WE MAKE IT SO, [00:55:03] STILL MUNICIPAL DOLLARS TO DO IT. >> WALTER, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? >> YEAH. [NOISE] >> I FIGURED YOU'D TELL ME? >> THE THING HERE IS THAT YES, THIS COULD BE DONE AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S A MORE INVOLVED PROCESS, AND OBVIOUSLY, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF YOU IS A STRAIGHT SF5 ZONING. THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT I KNOW THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE CITY OF DENTON DO CONDITIONED ZONING. I'M SURE, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD TAKE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE SUBJECT, BUT I THINK IF YOU WROTE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT CHANGES THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY, THEN I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE, BUT I'M NOT THE ILLEGAL TALK PERSON ON [LAUGHTER] THAT PARTICULAR ISSUES. >> BUT IS MY POINT VALID THAT IF WE WERE TO VOTE AND CHANGE THE SF5, AND THEN THE DEAL FALLS THROUGH, AND THEN MR.TECHNO FINDS ANOTHER BUYER, THEY HAVE SF5 AND ANY AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH MR. RAY ON, TECHNODRIVE BEING TWO LANES AND ALL THE THINGS WE HAD AGREED TO, THE NEXT PERSON CAN COME IN AND SAY IT'S SF5, I CAN JUST GO FORWARD. >> THAT'S TRUE TO AN EXTENT. AS THE CITY IS REQUIRING ALL DEVELOPMENTS TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT AS PART OF THE PLAT PROCESS, ANY NEW BUYER WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPROVED AND WE'D BE RIGHT BACK HERE TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AGAIN, WHERE YOU COULD INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INCORPORATED REGARDING DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. YES, THAT'S TRUE, BUT NO, THERE'D STILL BE THE NEED TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. >> IF YOU GO SF5 THOUGH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO PROHIBIT IF THIS DEAL WILL FALL THROUGH. NOTHING TO PROHIBIT THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION TO BE ALL 50-FOOT LOTS. >> AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE ALLOW IT. MY POINT IS, SO WHY WOULD WE AGREE TO AN SF5 BEFORE WE'RE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? >> THAT'S [OVERLAPPING]. >> BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE [FOREIGN]. >> THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW ON THIS. >> NUMBER 13 WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. >> RIGHT. THAT'S OPEN AND UNDER DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. THE WHOLE POINT WAS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS INTEGRAL TO CHANGING THE SF5 ZONING. WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REFERENCED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT CHANGES THE ZONING OR WHETHER YOU DECIDE THAT, OKAY, WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENTER INTO WITH THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY. IF THAT DEAL FALLS THROUGH, THAT'S NOT REALLY A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR WHOEVER PICKS IT UP AGAIN LATER. IF ANYBODY PICKS IT UP AGAIN, AND EVEN AT THAT POINT, IF THE DEAL FALLS THROUGH, MAY BE THAT MR. TECHNO DECIDES THAT HE HASN'T SOLD THE PROPERTY, HE WANTS TO REQUEST THAT IT BE DISANNEXED FROM THE CITY. THE REASON THAT IT HAS BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS TO USE CITY WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AND EXTENDING THOSE SERVICES INTO THE ETJ IS NOT A VERY GOOD IDEA AND SHOULD BE INSIDE CITY LIMITS. YES, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO WEIGH IN REGARDS TO THIS. IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISN'T TO THE CITY ATTORNEY SATISFACTION JUST YET, AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD WHATEVER OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND MR. RAY CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS TO ENGAGE FURTHER WITH THOSE THINGS AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY OR NOT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. >> BUT IN THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT SPELLS OUT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO, [01:00:02] IT WOULD BE X AMOUNT OF 50, X AMOUNT OF 55, X AMOUNT OF 60. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IN THAT ZONE. THAT'S IT. WHAT IT IS AS LONG AS THIS IS ENFORCED, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. ONCE AGAIN, WE AGREED TO THAT. WE GOT TO THERE AFTER MANY DISCUSSIONS AND LONG HOURS OVER HERE. IF IT FALLS THROUGH, I'M JUST GOING TO WALK THROUGH. IT FALLS THROUGH, ANOTHER GUY COMES THROUGH. WE'RE STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN. SHOULD THEY DECIDE. IF WILLIAMS WANTS TO SELL IT AGAIN IT'S FINE. IF NOT, HE CAN PULL IT BACK DEANNE AND EXIT AND GOES RIGHT BACK INTO THE COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO SQUARE ZERO. >> THEN ALL YOU HAVE IS YOUR SUBDIVISION PROCESS, WHICH YOU CAN'T DICTATE A LOT SIZE. >> WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OUR TEETH RIGHT HERE IN THIS DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT. >> RIGHT. >> GOT YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> NOW I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT ELSE WAS I WAS GOING [LAUGHTER]. >> WE'RE IN THIS NEGOTIATION, IF YOU WILL. >> RIGHT. >> WITH MR. TECHNO AND MR. RAY OR ON BEHALF OF MR. RAY. ONCE WE GO WITH SF5, WE LOSE ANY TEETH WE HAVE. FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT WE'VE GOT TEETH, BUT ONCE WE APPROVE THE SF5 AND IT FALLS THROUGH, YOU KEEP SAYING THEY CAN ASK THE DNX. THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THEY CAN START RENEGOTIATING WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER AND ANOTHER DEVELOPER [NOISE] AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO BE HOLD INTO THIS EXACT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE. >> THAT'S ENTIRELY TRUE, EXCEPT THAT YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THE CITIES SUBDIVISION PROCESS RIGHT NOW WITHOUT DOING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN SUBDIVIDED. WHETHER IT'S IN THE ETJ OR WHETHER IT'S INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, THERE WOULD STILL BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIREMENT, AND BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU CAN ADDRESS PRETTY MUCH JUST ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. >> USUALLY MY FEEDBACK FROM YOU IS IF OUR CHARTER ALLOWS FOR IT, YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US WE HAVE TO DO IT. THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE HERE. IF WE APPROVE THE SF5 AND I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE HYPOTHETICAL THAT THIS AGREEMENT DOESN'T WORK OUT. BUT ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES ALONG AND MR. TECHNO, YOU'RE GOING TO STAND THERE AND TELL US THIS MEETS OUR CODE. IT FOLLOWS OUR GUIDELINES. YOU HAVE TO DO IT AND BASICALLY, IF I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PENALTY IF WE WERE TO GO AGAINST THAT. ALRIGHT, I MEAN, WE CAN'T GO AGAINST SOMEBODY WHO'S FALLING OUR ACTUAL ORDINANCES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WHAT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME IS ONCE YOU ZONE IT, ONE WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENFORCE THAT. >> RIGHT. >> YES. EXACTLY. >> THE ANSWER IS YES. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING TO EARLIER. >> YES. THE ANSWER IS YES. >> WHY DON'T WE PROTECT THE CITY BY MAKING THIS A PD THAT PROTECTS US, PROTECTS THE DEVELOPER, PROTECTS THE LANDOWNER AT THIS MOMENT, AND STOP DOING SF5. >> NO, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. MR. RAY ASKED IF YOU'RE RESULTED TO SF6 WHETHER YOU COULD DO LESS THAN THAT SIZE LOT IN ITS ZONING DISTRICT? THE ANSWER IS NO. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH AN SF6, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR US. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS AN SF5. I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE MADE DECISIONS OF SMALLER LOTS. MR. TINDER IS CORRECT ON THAT. IT'S TRUE. I THINK, I GENERALLY LIKE TO SEE THE MARKET BEAR OUT WHAT'S GOING TO MARK, IT'S GOING TO BEAR OUT. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT. I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL FIND OUT. WE'LL JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I CAN'T PREDICT. BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MR. BOOTH, SF6. >> IT IS. >> WE ARE MAKING POTENTIAL SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO THE CITY AND A 500 HOME TRACK WOULD SERVE AS PRECEDENCE FOR BUILDING ON HERE ON OUT BUT IT COULD CHANGE THE WAY THE CITY IS DEVELOPED. [01:05:01] I'VE TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY, THEY LIKE ANGLETON FOR WHAT IT IS AND MORE COMFORTABLE THAT IT IS A SMALLER CITY, AND SO WE'RE ALSO COMFORTABLE FOR WHAT IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A BIG CITY. BUT THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN, IS ONCE WE GO WITH AN SF5, WE'VE SET A PRECEDENT THAT NOW THIS COMES MORE OF OUR STANDARD. >> AS WITH ANY ZONING CHANGE, YOU CAN DIRECT THE APPLICANT AND TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU ALL. >> HERE'S MY OTHER REASON FOR SUPPORTING A PD AND NOT AN SF5. MR. RAY, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SECTION SIX BEING COMMERCIAL. WELL, WE WOULD BE ZONING THIS AS SF5. SO FOR ZONING MAP ORDINANCE AND ANYBODY THAT LOOKS AT IS GOING TO SAY THIS IS AN SF5 AND NOT A COMMERCIAL AREA. IT WOULD BE A SELF-DEFEATING PROPHECY TO SAY THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO DEVELOP AS COMMERCIAL BECAUSE NO ONE'S EVER GOING TO THINK OF IT AS COMMERCIAL. >> THOUGH WE WOULD SHOW A PROSPECTIVE VIA THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THAT IT WILL BE SOLD AS COMMERCIAL. DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD, WE'D BE IN HERE WITH THE ZONING CHANGE. >> BUT I'D RATHER YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO ME TO REZONE BACK TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU'RE DOING IT SIX SECTIONS, HOW MANY ARE THE FIRST? >> WELL, OUR PLAN IS TO DEVELOP SECTION 1 FIRST, AND WE WILL PLANT A 150 FOOT LAUNCH IN SECTION 1, AND WE WILL BE BUILD ALSO THE ENTRANCE, THE PLAYGROUND, THE PERIMETER FENCING, THE VEGETATION, AND THE LOTS IN SECTION 1. THEN PROBABLY WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER WE START, WE SHOULD BE FINISHED WITH CONSTRUCTION ASSUMING WE DON'T HAVE WEATHER ISSUES, THEN WE WILL IMMEDIATELY START PLANNING SECTION 2 AND JUST KEEP GOING. WE THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD ROBUST SALES FOR 2-5 YEARS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE READING, WHAT THE ECONOMISTS SAY. THAT THE REASON GOD CREATED ECONOMIST IS TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF THE WEATHER MAN. [LAUGHTER] NO ONE REALLY KNOWS. >> THE MAP DOESN'T SHOW THE TWO LANE ON EITHER SIDE, BUT I SEE IN THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT IT'S IN THERE, BUT THE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW THAT. IT SHOWS THEM COMING BACK TOGETHER SO I DIDN'T KNOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE SAME THING I'M READING IN THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT. >> WELL, THEN IT MAY BE A MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE LAND PLANNER AND MYSELF AND THE ENGINEER. THAT WAS DONE BY THE LAND PLANNER NOT THE ENGINEER, BUT IT WAS BASED ON THE ENGINEER'S PLAN. BUT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY WILL BE PURSUANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOWN TO THE PAINTING. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL THAT AND THAT PLAN HAS MORE 60 FOOT LOTS THAN WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR. >> YEAH. YOU'RE ONLY DOING THE FIRST SECTION AT 50. >> CORRECT. >> THEN SECTION 2 IS 55, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF [OVERLAPPING] SECTION 1, AND THEN EVERYTHING GOING AROUND THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY IS ALL 60 FOOTS. I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK WHY SECTION 5 HAS TO BE 55S. I THOUGHT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS GOING TO BE 60S. AFTER PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2, THE REST WERE GOING TO BE 60S. >> THAT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, WE CAN DO THAT BUT THAT WASN'T MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT WASN'T WHAT I PRESENTED TO COUNSEL. I QUITE FRANKLY THINK THE MARKET IS GOING TO WANT 60 FOOT LOTS. >> IS GOING TO WANT 60 FOOT? >> I THINK THE MARKET IS GOING TO WANT 60 FOOT LOTS. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. >> I THINK THE MARKET IS HERE. I JUST HOPE IT'S HERE WHEN WE GET THIS ENTITLED AND BUILT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, [01:10:01] THE 60 FOOT MARKET IS NOT HERE TODAY. THE BUILDERS KNOW WHAT THE MARKET IS BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN IT EVERY DAY. ONCE YOU BUILD THAT ENTRY MONUMENT, PUT THE LANDSCAPING IN, PUT THE PLACE GAPING IN, PUT BILLS ON HOUSES AND GET SOME ACTIVITY, HAVE SOMETHING REALLY NICE, THEN THE MARKET WILL COME TO IT. BUT IF YOU OPEN UP WITH BIGGER LOTS, IT SLOWS EVERYTHING DOWN AND DEVELOPMENT IS TIME. >> I SEE IT KIND OF THE SAME AS YOU, MR. RAY, THAT IF YOU CAN'T GO INTO HERITAGE OAKS WHERE CHRIS HAS BUILT ALL THOSE CUSTOM HOMES AND YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE, AND YOUR CHOICE IS THAT OR GO TO SOME OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALL 45 FOOT LOTS, IF I CAN AFFORD THE 60S, I'M GOING WITH 60 BECAUSE I'LL GET A BETTER PRODUCT IN YOUR SUBDIVISION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SECTION 5 BE 60S AS WELL. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. BUT PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2, THE 50, 55, AND THEN IT BUILDS ALL THE 60. THAT'S PLUS THE [INAUDIBLE] GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS, SEPARATE THE TWO LINES ON EITHER SIDE, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THE FENCING AND THE MAINTENANCE OF ALL THE VEGETATION AROUND ALL THE AREA. THINGS IMPORTANT IN SECTION 6 IS COMMERCIAL BUT THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT A PD OVER AND SF5 ZONE. THAT WAY IT'S PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND WE CAN CALL IT OUT WHAT IT IS. >> A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET THROUGH THAT? >> AT A MINIMUM, IT'S GOING TO TAKE AUGUST. AFTER THE RE-NOTICE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN JULY. NO, WE CAN'T MAKE JULY AND WE'RE PAST THE DEADLINE FOR NOTICE TO THE NEWSPAPERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE AUGUST PNC MEETING AND THEN WHENEVER THE SECOND AUGUST COUNCIL MEETING IS. SO WE'RE TALKING A MINIMUM OF THE END OF AUGUST TO DO THAT. I THINK IF WE TAKE ALL THE LOTS SPECIFIC STUFF OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND PUT THEM INTO A PD ORDINANCE ALONG WITH THE LAND PLAN AS THE CONCEPT PLAN, I THINK THAT THAT GETS THERE BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THE UNDERLYING BASE ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE, WHICH IN THIS CASE SHOULD BE SF5 AS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN REFERENCE WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE FOR THE REST BUT END OF AUGUST IS THE EARLIEST THAT THIS COULD BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. >> JOHN, [NOISE] I LIKE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT ARE HERE BUT WE ALSO HAVE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THIS MAN FOR MONTHS. ALL THESE OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO WE'VE BE MEETING FOR MONTHS, AND THERE'S HOLD-OVER COST. IT'S COST THESE GENTLEMEN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT EVERYBODY HAS BUT EVERY WEEK THAT WE GO OR MONTH THAT GOES BY, I KNOW THERE'S HOLD-OVER COST. I'VE TALKED TO A FEW OF THE DEVELOPERS AND SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS IS WE KEEP GOING, WE KEEP GOING. IT'S JUST THE ACTION HASN'T COME AS FAST. THIS IS ALL NEW TO US SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FAST IS. WE KNOW WHAT SLOW IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FAST IS. I'D HATE FOR US TO GO BACK AND FOR MR. RAY AND MR. TICKLER TO GO ON AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO PROBABLY TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING AGAIN. I SEE WHY WE NEED TO PROTECT US, PROTECT THEM. >> ALL RIGHT, EXACTLY. >> MR. MAYOR, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. I FEEL LIKE OUR POSITION IS TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS OF ANGLETON AND IT'S NOT TO PROTECT THE BUILDERS. >> I GET IT. >> I GET THAT IT'S THEIR MONEY, THAT IT'S THEIR INVESTMENT. IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM TO INVEST, THEN THEY'LL WAIT. IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. >> EXACTLY. I AGREE. > WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP. >> I DID BRING THIS UP TWO MONTHS AGO. >> I MEAN, IT'S A BIT A NEGOTIATION, I GET IT. WE'RE NOT ALL GOING TO GET WHAT WE WANT AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S MY JOB AND ROLE TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS OF ANGLETON. NOW, NOT EVERY TAXPAYER IS GOING TO AGREE WITH ME, I GET THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW I SEE IT AND THAT'S WHERE MY ROLE IS. >> I AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOUR COMMENTS. I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THEIR STANDPOINT. I HOPE OTHER PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT TOO. IT'S A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF [01:15:02] MONEY THAT IS HAVING TO GO THROUGH TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE GETTING. I'M JUST PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD. IT'S JUST I REALIZED IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO GET TO WHERE THESE GUYS ARE AT TODAY AND IF NOT MORE. >> YOU'RE ASKING FOR EARLY PLAN DEVELOPMENT. LOOKING AT DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT, IN ESSENCE, YOU HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. IT TELLS YOU WHAT THIS SECTION IS, THAT SECTION IS, THIS STRETCH OF THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE THIS, THAT STRETCH OF THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE THAT. [NOISE] I MEAN, I MAY BE OVERSIMPLIFYING THIS, BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH DIRECTING EACH PARTY, THE CITY, AND THE DEVELOPER, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IN THIS SECTIONS. >> I HAVE TO SPEAK UP ON THAT POINT. THE REASON IT SAYS DRAFT IS BECAUSE WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING. COUNCIL HAS ADDRESSED SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE ALREADY RECOGNIZED. WE ARE NOT FINISHED WORKING ON THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT WE ARE HERE TODAY TO GET GUIDANCE FROM YOU ON HOW TO GO FORWARD ON IT. >> COUNCILMAN BOOTH, THE POINT THAT I WAS AFTER, AND TRAVIS IS A LAWYER, SO HE SAYS IT A LOT BETTER THAN I DO. BUT THE FACT THAT ONCE WE REZONE AT SF-5, FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM STAFF IS WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE IT MEETS ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IF SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S COME IN TO DO SF-5. THAT'S WHY I THINK A PD PROTECTS US FROM A SAFE PERSPECTIVE THAT IN THE CASE THAT IT FALLS THROUGH, IT'S STILL A PD AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND IT'S NOT SET IN STONE THAT THIS IS AN SF-5. IT COULD BE ANYTHING ELSE IT WANTS TO BE. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WOULD SUPPORT A PD. >> BUT IS IT IN THE OTHER BREADTH? THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT WHERE YOU NEGOTIATE ALL THAT PRE-STUFF EARLY [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN YOU'RE THERE BECAUSE WE GOT TO COME BACK ANYWAY, SO IT DOESN'T FIT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT, WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK, AT LEAST GO BACK WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, RENEGOTIATE WITH THAT NEW DEVELOPER, NEW WHOEVER. [OVERLAPPING] WE TEST ALL OVER. >> BUT ONCE IT'S THERE, IT'S THERE. [NOISE] >> CHRIS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> ALL I'M SAYING IS MR. RAY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US AND COMMUNICATING AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD BECAUSE HE'S ASKED FOR THAT AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. HOWEVER, WE'RE HERE TO FOLLOW DIRECTIONS. IF YOU WANT TO GO THE PD ROUTE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THEN LET'S DO IT. PRESENT IT TO MR. RAY AND HE DECIDES WHETHER HE WANTS TO DO IT OR NOT. >> DO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING BEFORE THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT? COULD WE DO THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT AND THEN CHANGE THE ZONING? >> I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE ITEMS TOGETHER IS WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT DO WE WANT DIRECTION SO WE CAN INCORPORATE IT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THEN LIKE I THINK WALTER ARTICULATED WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THIS BACK IN AUGUST FOR APPROVAL. >> THE INTENT HERE WAS TO FINALIZE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO THAT WHEN I STAND UP HERE AND MAKE A PRESENTATION ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT, I CAN STAND UP HERE AND SAY THAT IT MEETS [NOISE] ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CITY OF ANGLETON AND THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IF YOU ALL ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THEN NOW'S THE TIME TO TELL MR. RAY THAT, AND THEN MR. RAY CAN DECIDE HOW HE WISHES TO PROCEED. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT [NOISE] IT ISN'T GOING TO BE THAT DIFFICULT TO CONVERT WHAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INTO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT I CAN'T MAKE THAT HAPPEN BEFORE AT THE VERY LEAST THE P&Z MEETING IN AUGUST AND PENDING THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE EARLIEST IF EVERYTHING WENT ABSOLUTELY 100 PERCENT SWIMMINGLY, PERFECTLY, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY, JOY, JOY, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE TO YOU BY THE END OF AUGUST. BUT IF IT ISN'T, THEN IT'S NOT. THEN BECAUSE OF THE PD ASPECT OF THE PROPERTY, EVERY PLAT THAT COMES THROUGH THE PROCESS HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS. FOR RESIDENTIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, THE PLAT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. LIKE I SAID, IT'S UP TO WHATEVER YOU ALL ARE MOST COMFORTABLE WITH. THEN IT'S UP TO MR. RAY WHETHER HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OR NOT. [LAUGHTER] MR. RAY. [01:20:01] >> TWO QUICK ITEMS IS NUMBER 1, NO RATIONAL DEVELOPER WILL COME IN WITHIN FIVE YEARS IF I LEAVE. IF I SIGN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND BUILD SECTION 1, WHICH WE WILL AND THEN WALK AWAY, NO RATIONAL DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME IN. THERE'S TOO MUCH POWER IN THIS CITY. SOME LITTLE, BITTY THINGS LIKE GETTING WATER ALLOCATION AND WASTEWATER ALLOCATION AND THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE BEFORE WE CAN GET THE MONEY TO BUILD THESE FACILITIES. NO ONE'S GOING TO COME IN. BUT THAT'S IT. IF I DON'T HAVE FOUR VOTES FOR SF-5, YES, I WILL DO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THE ONLY THING YOU WOULD ASK IN THE STAFF, I KNOW IS BUSY. THE STAFF IS REALLY HARD WORKING. THE STAFF IS VERY TALENTED. I REALLY ENJOY WORKING WITH THEM AND THEY'RE REALLY BUSY. BUT IF I COULD GET A DIRECTIVE FROM THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO THE STAFF IN A VERY RATIONAL MANNER, CAN WE GET IT ALL DONE BY AUGUST? [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL, I SUPPOSE I CAN ASK. >> IF I COULD GO BACK UNTIL THE BUILDER AND I CAN GO BACK AND TELL OUR PEOPLE THAT I REALLY BELIEVE THIS TIME WE CAN GET IT DONE IN AUGUST, I'M OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS PROJECT. I LIKE THIS PROJECT AND I LIKE THE CITY AND I LIKE THAT LAND AND I LIKE MY DEVELOPMENT AND I DON'T WANT TO WALK AWAY BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU I WANT TO DRIVE BY THERE AND I WANT TO SEE THOSE PRETTY LIGHTS AND THAT WATER AND THAT NICE DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU, MR. RAY. >> WALTER, CAN YOU GIVE US A TIMETABLE? [NOISE] I'M CERTAINLY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE TIMELINE. SO CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MONTH TO DO FROM GOING FROM S-F5 TO PD? >> IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MONTH BECAUSE UNDER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE UP, WE HAVE TO DO NOTICE TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET AND PUT NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER BEFORE THE 15TH DAY BEFORE THE DAY OF THE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE THE AUGUST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS ON, BUT YOU COUNT BACK 15 DAYS FROM THAT AND THAT'S WHEN THE NOTICE HAS TO APPEAR IN THE NEWSPAPER. THAT'S WHEN NOTICE HAS TO GO OUT TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S ADOPTED TAX ROLL. THAT CAN'T HAPPEN FOR THE JULY P&Z MEETING WHICH IS NEXT THURSDAY. WE'RE PAST THE DEADLINE FOR THAT. SO THE EARLIEST THAT I CAN GET THAT DONE FOR THE P&Z MEETING AND BY EXTENSION, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE I DO NOTICE FOR BOTH THE P&Z AND THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE SAME ADVERTISEMENT. THAT'S THE EARLIEST AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A MONTH IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS AND THAT'S WHAT THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON SAYS. I CAN'T DODGE THE NOTICE. >> 15TH OF JULY. >> YEAH. >> CAN YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT BY THE 15TH OF JULY? >> WE HAVE A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT NOW. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE NEGOTIATION. >> I MEAN WRAPPED UP BY THEN. >> IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE NEGOTIATION GOES. >> OKAY. SURE. >> I'M GIVING YOU A CIRCULAR ANSWER. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S KEY ITEMS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LIKE ON THE LOT SIZE AND THE SECTIONS AND HOW MANY. ONCE I GET THAT INSTRUCTION FROM THE CITY AND I JUST PUT IT IN. BUT ALSO THE ENFORCEABILITY ISSUE FOR ME ON A COUPLE OF THE SECTIONS HAVE TO BE WORKED ON. >> JUST TO ELABORATE ON THAT, MOST OF THOSE ITEMS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IF YOU GO THE PD ROUTE, WILL NOT BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THEY WILL BE IN THE ORDINANCE CREATING THE PD ZONING DISTRICT ON THE PROPERTY. THOSE ITEMS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS GOING TO SHRINK CONSIDERABLY AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE IN IT BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MIGHT VERY WELL BECOME NOTHING MORE THAN PAYMENT OF CAB FEES AND PAYMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION FEE IN LIEU AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S IN THE DRAFT IN YOUR BACKUP RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> I'M JUST ONE PERSON, SO I'D RATHER HAVE A PD BUT JUST ME. >> ANYBODY OVER HERE TO THE LEFT? THEN WE'RE NOT USING IT AS THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT AS WE HEAR IN WASHINGTON. [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, JASON. >> THIS IS JUST THE TABLE TO THE [NOISE] LEFT, THE TABLE TO THE RIGHT. >> YEAH. I HAVEN'T REALLY SPOKEN A LOT. I TEND TO TRY TO TAKE THINGS COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, [01:25:05] I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AS FAR AS ZONING AND THEN DOING AN AGREEMENT AND THE AGREEMENT DOESN'T WORK. WE'RE STUCK WITH THE ZONING TECHNICALLY AND WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY IT. THAT'S COME UP WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT MOST OF THIS COUNCIL DID NOT VOTE ON, BUT WE WERE FORCED TO ALLOW IT. ANOTHER SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS UP FOR EVEN THOUGH NONE OF US REALLY WANTED IT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR HESITANCY ON THAT. ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT SLOW MOVING PACE AND NOT GETTING STUFF DONE AS FAR AS COUNSEL HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR ALL THE DEVELOPERS. I CAN'T NAME A SINGLE ONE THAT HASN'T HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT. I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALL GOVERNMENT. IT MOVE SLOW. THREE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, OUR CITIZENS WANTED EVERYTHING. WHERE'S THE CHIC-FIL-A? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY DON'T WANT TO GROW. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. AS A COUNCIL, I JUST WANT OUR CITIZENS AND KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR EVERYONE. WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO LIVE IN HERITAGE OAKS, BUT NOT ALL OF US CAN. I DO BELIEVE MR. RAY WOULD BUILD A BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION HERE. I'M JUST NOT SURE IF I CAN. I DON'T KNOW. IF YOU ALL WANT TO POSTPONE AND GO FOR THE PD, I WANT TO HAVE THIS DONE, BECAUSE I'VE ALSO HEARD OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY WE WANT TO BE A COUNCIL OF DECISIONS AND GETTING STUFF DONE. I JUST HATE TO SEE THIS COUNCIL DRAGGING ITS FEET, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH MR. RAY FOR MONTHS NOW ON WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE FROM HIM AND HE'S PROVIDED THAT TO US. INITIALLY, HIS PLANS DID NOT INCLUDE A DRIVE THAT CONNECTED TIGNISHRY, THE ONE THAT GOES BY WALMART THROUGH THERE AND ALL THE WAY TO WHERE IT DEAD-ENDS NOW ON THE PLANS. HE MADE THAT CONCESSION FOR COUNCIL. HE'S WORKED WITH US A LOT AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT, MR. RAY. WHAT WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO DO? WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. >> THANK YOU, MR. GONGORA. >> I BELIEVE WE'RE IN A POSITION THAT WE'RE STILL LETTING LEGAL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE TO BE NEGOTIATED. IF YOU WANT A DECISION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THIS IS NOT MY MOTION BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> WELL, NO, BUT I UNDERSTAND NEGOTIATIONS ARE GOING ON. EITHER WAY, THAT NEEDS TO BE TIDIED UP. BUT IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH THE PD, THEN LET'S GET IT DONE. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS BEEN AN ACTIVE CITY COUNCIL. I'VE BEEN HERE. WE'VE ALREADY HAD TWO MEETINGS GO PAST MIDNIGHT. WE'RE ALREADY HEADED THAT WAY TONIGHT. WE MIGHT BE MORNING HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT LACKING OF ACTION, I DON'T FEEL LIKE. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MOVING AT THE PACE THEY WANT, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT MOVING. I BELIEVE ALREADY ANNEX IS PROPERTY, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A MAJOR DECISION. IF WE NEED MORE TIME TO GET IT DONE RIGHT, I'D RATHER GET IT DONE RIGHT. >> I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU ALL'S COMMENTS AND WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT. WE THOUGHT WE WERE IN A PATH TO GET IT RIGHT, WELL WE'RE NOW OBVIOUSLY PULLING BACK AGAIN. GENTLEMEN, JUST RESPECTFULLY, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS [01:30:02] AND WE ARE DOING SOME ACTION, WE ARE. WE PUT DOWN SOME STUFF, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE OUR ACTIONS GO ONE WAY AND THEN TURN AND WE TURN AND MAKE A 360 AND THEN WE DO A 360. IF YOU REMEMBER, BACK IN THE DAY, THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BEEN HERE, BUT YOU REMEMBER, OUR CITY WAS HARD TO WORK WITH. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE DIDN'T COME, BECAUSE WE HAD THAT FOR YEARS. NOBODY WOULD COME TO ANGLETON BECAUSE WE WERE HARD TO WORK WITH. "DEVELOPMENT, STAY AWAY FROM ANGLETON." WE HEARD IT. CAN'T DENY. I HEARD IT, THAT'S WHY I RAN. I WANTED TO SEE US GET DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED. NOW, WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT WE DEAL WITH, THAT WE CONNECT WITH, THAT WE TALKED TO YOU, SO I GET IT. THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. BUT NOW I THINK WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THAT OLD WAY AGAIN IS, NOW WE'RE BEING DIFFICULT AND I DON'T WANT TO BE DIFFICULT. I WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT, AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, PROTECT THE CITY, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT US TO ONCE AGAIN LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FOR YEARS WHETHER YOU'VE LIVED HERE ALL YOUR LIFE OR NOT, ANGLETON HAS SAT BACK AND NOT DONE MUCH ANYTHING. NOW IT'S HERE, PEOPLE APPLAUDED IT, THEY WERE HAPPY, THEY'RE SEEING THINGS HAPPEN, DOWNTOWN, STREET IMPROVEMENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE GETTING THERE BECAUSE OF SOME DEVELOPMENTS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, "WHOA, STAND BY GUYS, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT." NOW WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE TO REGROUP AS A COUNCIL AGAIN TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO. I GET IT. WE ALL WANT TO HAVE BIG LUXURY HOUSES, WE WANT TO LIVE IN A NICE HOME, BUT 20 YEARS AGO WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY. THE MINDSET OF THE PEOPLE BUYING HOMES IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SEE TODAY. I'M AN OLDER GUY, BUT I DO SEE SOME OF THAT YOUNGER GENERATION. I WORK WITH A LOT OF THE YOUNGER GENERATION IN A CHEMICAL PLANT. I SEE THESE 20 OR 30 YEAR-OLDS THAT WANT A NICE HOME. THEY WANT MAYBE NOT A BIG YARD. THEY RATHER HAVE BIG TOYS, THEY DON'T WANT THE BIG YARD. I GET WHERE SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS WANT A SMALLER LOT TO SELL, MAKE A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY, BUT THEY DON'T LIKE THAT OUTDOORS THAT YOU AND I OR SOMEBODY MAY OR MAY LIKE. BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE AT THAT THRESHOLD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE DISCUSSING AGAIN SMALL LOTS. WE'RE GOING TO SEE YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT IF YOU'VE WENT THROUGH YOUR NOTES. IT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. THESE DEVELOPERS, WHO ARE THEY MARKETING? WHO'S THAT $50,000 A YEAR BREADWINNER? WHO'S THAT $60,000 HOUSEHOLD INCOME? WHO'S THE $120,000 HOUSEHOLD INCOME? THAT'S GOING TO DICTATE WHAT HOUSE THEY BUY. IS IT MR. RAY JOPLIN'S $450,000 HOME OR IS IT GOING TO BE RIVERWOOD'S $250,000 HOME. THAT'S A BIG PRICE DIFFERENCE FROM SOMEBODY WHO WORKS IN A CHEMICAL PLANT, TO SOMEBODY WHO IS A POLICE OFFICER. I'VE BEEN DOING MY HOMEWORK. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET FIGURES ON WHAT IT IS ENTRY LEVEL FOR A NURSE, A TEACHER. GOT IT TONIGHT FOR THE TEACHER. WHAT IT COSTS TO BE AN ENGINEER, TO BE AN OPERATOR. WHAT'S THEIR YEARLY INCOME? THAT'S THAT PRICE POINT THAT THESE GUYS ARE LOOKING AT. WHO ARE THEY MARKETING? THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. WHERE DO WE WANT TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY? WE WANT TO SEE THE BLUE-COLLAR WORKERS OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE THAT PEOPLE MAKING THREE AND $400,000 A YEAR? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE BOTH, MAYOR. >> WE HAVE TO JUST FIGURE THAT OUT. I KNOW THESE ARE DIFFICULT DECISIONS THE AUDIENCE IS LISTENING TO US. WE'RE SITTING UP HERE EVERY NIGHT TILL MIDNIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A DIFFICULT AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. I GET IT, GUYS. I APPRECIATE IT TRYING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WE HAVE TO REALLY START THINKING ABOUT WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO MOVE IN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND I APPLAUD THESE DEVELOPERS HANGING IN WITH US. WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME HEARTBURN. WE'VE GOT SOME LATE NIGHTS AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR STICKING IT OUT WITH US AND I THINK WE'LL GET THERE. IT'S JUST I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS COUNCIL 10 YEARS FROM NOW GO, "OH, THAT'S A COUNCIL THAT, MAN, THEY'RE JUST WISHY-WASHY." EVERY MEETING WAS DIFFERENT. I JUST WANT US TO HAVE SOME BETTER DIRECTION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. >> MR. MAYOR FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE RIVERWAY HAS PUT A HOME UP? >> A MODEL HOME. >> WHAT'S THAT? A MODEL HOME? >> ONE MODEL HOME, YEAH. >> RIGHT. THAT'S PROGRESS. >> YES. THE ROADS ARE BUILT? >> THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING. [LAUGHTER] >> IT MAY HAVE TAKEN TIME, BUT IT'S MOVING. >> ALSO DON'T PUT THIS ALL ON THE COUNCIL THAT IT'S TAKING TIME TO DO ANYTHING. WINDROSE GREEN, WE IMPROVED ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO AND WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH IT AND THEY HAVEN'T PUT THE HOUSE UP YET. IT'S NOT JUST US ON OUR SIDE. IT WORKS BOTH SIDES. >> WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. >> I THINK WE'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND WE'RE NOT ON THE BUILDERS TIME CLOCK, WE'RE ON THE CITY'S TIME CLOCK IN THAT CASE. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER TO DO. MR. RAY HAS BEEN GREAT. I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GREAT THINGS ABOUT MR. RAY. WHEN HE FIRST CAME TO US, IT WAS I THINK ALL 50S OR SO. WHERE IT'S COME FROM TO WHERE IT IS NOW, I THINK IT'S A TESTAMENT TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN WORKING [01:35:02] WITH US AND I WISH ALL THE DEVELOPERS WERE LIKE MR. RAY HONESTLY [LAUGHTER] BUT I DON'T LIKE MAKING YOU WAIT TILL AUGUST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT THE COUNCIL TONIGHT, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT' THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY TALKED TO MR. RAY ABOUT, NOW'S YOUR TIME AND YOUR CHANCE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I'M AT. >> I'VE SAID IT. WE HAVE FUMBLED THE BALL ON MANY OCCASIONS. IT'S OUR FAULT TOO, I KNOW THAT'S CAUSED A LOT OF THE HICCUPS. WE HAVE FUMBLED THE BALL. I'VE SAID IT PUBLICLY. WE AS A CITY, WE FUMBLED. I GIVE US THAT. >> I DISAGREE. I'M SORRY, MR. MAYOR, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT CITY COUNCIL IS AT FAULT OR CITY STAFF IS AT FAULT. THIS IS AN ONGOING NEGOTIATION. THIS HAPPENS IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OUR INPUT, THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE TO HAVE THEIR INPUT. I DON'T WANT TO BE SOMEBODY'S FALL GUY. IF YOU WANT TO PAINT US AS FALL GUY, I'M PERFECTLY RESPONSIBLE WITH TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE TOLD THAT I'M FALLING DOWN ON THE JOB, BECAUSE I WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND GET IT RIGHT. >> IT'S MY OPINION ON THIS. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S YOUR OPINION AND I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU. I HAVE COMPLETE RESPECT FOR YOU, MR. MAYOR. YOU'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. ON THIS ISSUE, THE CITY IS DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES AT HAND. >> ALL RIGHT COUNCIL, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GO FROM HERE? >> DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT, ANYBODY GOT ANY ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS? >> IT APPEARS TO ME MR. RAY HAS SAID WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO IS IN THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT. I DON'T NEED TO BE INTO THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES, BUT HE'S SAID WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO, IT'S IN THERE IT'S DONE. >> THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. WE HAVE WITH DEVELOPERS AGREE WITH IT. WE'RE CLOSER THERE THAN STARTING ALL OVER. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. >> IT'S JUST OUR LAST OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE. >> SURE. >> MAKING SURE ANYBODY HAS A COMMENT. >> ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'LL WAY. >> I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING BEFORE THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT. >> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. >> OKAY. >> UPON ANNEXATION, THE ZONING IS AG. IT'S AG NOW, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DEVELOP, THEY NEED TO GET IT TO THEIR ZONING DISTRICT THAT THEY WANT. THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE SF-5, WHICH PERMITS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE CHART. [OVERLAPPING] >> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT I'M SAYING, WHAT CAN'T YOU DO THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT FIRST? [OVERLAPPING] >> BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS TO HAVE THE ZONING, WHATEVER THE ZONING IS IN THERE. OTHERWISE, YOU'RE LOSING SOME OF YOUR TEETH. >> AS OPPOSED TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE GO THE FURTHER SHED WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS BASED ON AN SF-5, BUT IF THE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, THEN IT GOES BACK TO AG, RIGHT? WITH THE PD. >> IF YOU DON'T REZONE, SO YOU'RE YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S STILL OPEN RIGHT NOW ON THE REZONE FOR SF-5. IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, YOU HAVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING AND VOTE. IF YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT BECAUSE YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION, WHATEVER, AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, YOU KEEP THAT PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO DEAL WITHOUT HAVING TO RENOTICE. >> ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. SVOBODA? YES, NO? >> NOT REALLY. [LAUGHTER] >> OKAY. >> I GET IT BUT. >> YES, SIR. >> THE PD COVERS US, I GET THAT. BUT IF WE REZONE IT ON NUMBER 3, AND THEN THEY'LL FALL THROUGH, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SF-5, CORRECT? >> UNLESS THEY COME BACK AND ASKED THE PEOPLE. >> CORRECT. ONCE YOU ZONE IT TO SF-5, IT'S SF-5 UNTIL SOMEBODY GOES BACK TO B AND Z, AND SAYS WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT. >> RIGHT. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN DO THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT SAYING WE'LL SIGN THIS AGREEMENT AND THEN WE REZONE WITH SF-5 ACCORDING TO OUR DEAL WITH THEM IN AGREEMENT. WELL, THAT WOULD BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. >> IT WOULD NOT BE RECOMMENDED. >> OKAY. [01:40:09] >> ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN. [BACKGROUND] ALL DO IS THE ACTION BEING TAKEN ON THIS, RIGHT? >> IT'S UP TO YOU. IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THE ZONING CHANGE, THEN YOU CLOSE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE YET AND YOU WANT TO HOLD IT OPEN, KEEP IT OPEN AND IT'S A NO ACTION. >> BUT I LIKE SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL. ARE WE GOING TO PUSH THIS TO A PD AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? OR WE STILL GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT TRYING TO FIND TO GET THAT TO FINISH PRODUCT. THAT'S OUR TWO OPTIONS. WALTER, DO YOU SOMETHING? >> IN ORDER TO MAKE A PDF IN AUGUST, I NEED TO KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL WANTED TO DO BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO YOUR FIRST MEETING IN JULY AND MAKE THAT DECISION, IT'S GOING TO BE TOO LATE FOR ME TO GET NOTICED INTO THE NEWSPAPER. BECAUSE THE FACTS IN ORDER TO GET AN AD IN THE PAPER ON TUESDAY, IT HAS TO BE THERE THE THURSDAY, THE WEEK BEFORE. IT'S NOT JUST THE 15 DAYS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE MEETING. IT'S THE 15 DAYS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE MEETING AND ACCOMMODATING THE FAX PUBLICATION SCHEDULE. >> ALTERNATIVE IS YOU CAN CONDUCT A P&Z MEETING OFF SCHEDULE AND THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY ITEM. YOU PLAN IT IN ENOUGH TIME THAT WE GET THE NOTICE OUT, WE GET THE QUORUM, AND THEN YOU BRING IT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, ASSUMING YOU DO THE NOTICE DEAL. YOU CAN BRING IT AND NOT LOOKING AT A CALENDAR, BUT MAYBE AGAIN, ANOTHER P&Z MEETING MID-JULY AND YOU GET IT TO THE COUNCIL MEETING BEGINNING OF AUGUST, WHICH WOULD TEND TO BE SHORT IN A TIMELINE ASSUMING YOU GET A QUORUM, AND APPROVAL, AND ALL THAT STUFF. >> YEAH, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE DOABLE. I'D NEED A DATE CERTAIN NOW IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHEN I'D HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE NEWSPAPER AND READY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS. >. IF YOU GIVE US DIRECTION TO DO THAT, WE'LL MOVE DOWN THAT PATH AND ALIGN THE DATES AND THOSE THINGS. I WOULD SUGGEST AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, [BACKGROUND] IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THIS DONE AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN DO THAT, AND GET A VOTE, AND SEE IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO DO THAT. IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, THEN YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE CURRENT REQUEST FOR SF-5 ZONING, THAT'S STILL THERE. YOU'RE NOT MAKING A MOTION TO DENY SF-5 ZONING, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE THIS [BACKGROUND] BE DONE AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. >> IT ALSO GIVES GUIDANCE TO YOUR P&Z. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SUBDIVISION. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED IN THAT MOTION? >> NO. >> OKAY. GIVE STAFF DIRECTION THAT BRINGS BACK BY THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. DOES THAT WORK? >> YEAH, AS SOON AS WE CAN. >> HE SAYS A DATE CERTAIN. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. WHAT WAS THE MOTION AGAIN? >> TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO MAKE THIS A PD DEVELOPMENT AND TO BRING IT BACK TO US FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. >> I'LL MAKE A SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I LIKE TO SAY MY OPINION, IT'S 601 HALF AND DOES TO THE OTHER. FROM WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED SO FAR AND DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT AND THEN GO ON TO A PD. [BACKGROUND] I'M GOING AWAY. ANY MORE COMMENTS, CONCERNS? >> I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. >> MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER 4. >> THANK YOU. MR. RAY. >> DID YOU ALREADY CLOSED IN? >> NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE CAN THAT OPEN, RIGHT? >> YOU'RE KEEPING IT OPEN, RIGHT? >> I [OVERLAPPING] STILL MAKE A COMMENT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE AS AN EXHIBIT FOR THIS IS INCOMPLETE. >> I'VE ALREADY SENT AN EMAIL TO THE DEVELOPER AND TO THE ENGINEER, TO THAT EFFECT. [01:45:04] >> IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, I'LL MENTION IT AGAIN. >> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4, [4. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on Ordinance No. 20210622-004 rezoning approximately 2 acres from Chapter 28 Zoning Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-49 Two-Family Residential (2F) District to the Article III Zoning Districts Section 28-51 Multi-Family Residential 14 (MFR-14) District of the Code of Ordinances City of Angleton, Texas; providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and an effective date.] CONDUCTIVE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20210622-004 REZONING APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES FROM CHAPTER 28, ZONING ARTICLE 3, ZONING DISTRICT SECTION 28-49, 2 FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ALSO KNOWN AS 2F DISTRICT TO ARTICLE 3 ZONING DISTRICTS SECTION 28-51, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 14, ALSO KNOWN AS MFR 14, DISTRICT OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF ANGLETON TEXAS, PROVIDING A SEPARABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING [INAUDIBLE] , PROVIDING A REPEAL, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WALTER. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE TWO ACRES FROM 2 FAMILY TO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 14. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BUCHTA ROAD, JUST ON THE HOSPITAL DRIVE. STAFF HAS MET WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES TRYING. HE'S BEEN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PROJECT WHERE HE CAN GET DUPLEXES ON THE PROPERTY. HE JUST HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AND HIS PLAN GOING FORWARD IN ORDER TO GET THE NUMBER DUPLEXES THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT ONTO THE PROPERTY IS TO DO IT AS A SINGLE LOT IN A MULTI-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE DUPLEX ON THE LOT, YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE, YOU HAVE MULTI-FAMILY. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST. YES. IF IT'S REZONED TO MFR-14, THEN IT CAN BE DEVELOPED TO THE MFR-14 STANDARDS BEARING IN MIND THAT IN ORDER TO GET THAT KIND OF DENSITY ON A TWO-ACRE LOT IS GOING TO BE QUITE DIFFICULT GIVEN THAT ONCE YOU GO UP TWO STORIES, [NOISE] YOU HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE MUCH MORE RIGOROUS THAN WHAT THEY ARE FOR A ONE STORY BUILDING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT ANY DESIGN ON THE PROPERTY. YOU ALSO HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE DETENTION WHICH MOST OF THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND OWNER'S PROPOSALS HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO DETENTION. YOU HAVE THE AGENDA SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND WITH OTHER POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE THE 3RD AND THEY ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> OKAY. OUR AGENDA ITEMS SAYS WE NEED TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL? >> MOTION WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING 'AYE'. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. WE'RE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING. I DID NOT GET ANY COMMENT SHEETS FOR THIS ONE. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE GO TO THE PODIUM. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, COUNCIL. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE NOW OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOW HAVE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON SET ITEM. >> SAYS A LOT THE P&Z 70. >> YEAH. >> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY TIME ON P&Z. I SAW WE COVERED THIS ISSUE BEFORE, SOMEBODY HAD PROPOSED BUILDING. >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. >> COME OUT BEFORE. >> WE PASSED IT UNANIMOUSLY BACK THEN SO, I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. [NOISE] >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SVOBODA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 5, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, [5. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on a preliminary replat of Whispering Pines Subdivision and a variance to Section 23-11.I Adequate and Safe Access.] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE WHISPERING PINES ZONE DIVISION AND A VARIANCE TO SECTION 23-11, POINT, ADEQUATE AND SAFE ACCESS. ALTER. >> THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF THE REPORT SINCE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ARE HERE FOR THIS ITEM. LONG STORY SHORT, THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY REPLAT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 23 11 I REGARDING ACCESS AND SAFE ACCESS. [01:50:03] THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR A VARIANCE TO THAT REQUIREMENT. THE STAFF COULD NOT SUPPORT THAT VARIANCE, RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM ON JUNE THE THIRD. BECAUSE THE STAFF COULD NOT RECOMMEND THE VARIANCE, THE PLAT DOES NOT MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AS A CITY OF ANGLETON, THEREFORE THE PLAT IS NOT SUPPORTABLE EITHER. STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF BOTH VARIANCE AND THE PLAT, THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT. P&Z AS I SAID, HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY TO DENY BOTH THE VARIANCE AND THE PLAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. IT SAYS WE MUST START OFF WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, COUNCIL. >> A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY [INAUDIBLE]. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. FRANCIS IF YOU'LL SHOW COUNCILMAN BOOTH SEPARATE FROM THE TABLE DURING THAT VOTE. OKAY, SO NOW I DO HAVE A FEW SHEETS AND I WILL READ THE CHECKMARKS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAY EITHER YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR NOT WANT TO SPEAK. WE'RE GETTING THESE IN THE ORDER THAT WE RECEIVE. MR. KULTER YOU'RE UP FIRST. >> I THOUGHT HIS WAS THE LAST. [LAUGHTER] [NOISE]. >> YOU WANT TO BE AT MIDNIGHT? [LAUGHTER] >> BEFORE I START, I WANT TO ANSWER JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I JUST HEARD MAYOR WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT HOW NOBODY WANTED TO COME DOWN MILTON, IS TOO HARD TO DEVELOP, THAT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE. ANGLETON IS EASY TO DEVELOP. I'VE DEVELOPED MORE ACREAGE OF SUBDIVISIONS AND BUILT MORE HOMES IN THE LAST 30 YEARS THAN ANYBODY. PEOPLE WEREN'T COMING CAUSE OF TAXES, THEY WEREN'T COMING BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO DEVELOP. IT IS LITTLE HARDER NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING WITH A UNKNOWN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO IT AND WE'RE EXPERIENCING, BUT I APPRECIATE TRAVIS AND HEARD YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT TAKING YOUR TIME AND DO IT RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK IF YOU ALL HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING AND HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT 44 LOTS, 45, 50 YOU WOULD PROBABLY HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN YOU HEARING FROM THE DEVELOPERS. DEVELOPERS ARE TELLING YOU WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND YOU'RE NOT TELLING THEM WHAT THE CITY WANTS AND TO ME, THAT'S A MISTAKE. ALL MY YEARS OF DEVELOPING I'VE NEVER SEEN DEVELOPERS COME UP HERE AND MAKE DEMANDS AND THEY TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT. YOU ALL TRY TO DO IT AND YOU ALL WANT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY, BUT THEY NEED TO BE COMING IN AND DOING WHAT THE CITY WANTS. I THINK WOULD BE GREAT AT SOME POINT, THE CITIZENS TO WEIGH IN ON IT. THEY DON'T ALWAYS LISTEN, THEY DON'T ALWAYS COME. WE GOT A PRETTY BIG GROUP HERE TODAY, AND I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY UNANIMOUS IN THEIR DECISIONS. I'M GOING TO KEEP IT VERY SHORT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, BUT SO I'M GOING TO JUST STICK WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUE. HERITAGE OAKS WE STARTED LONG TIME AGO AND AT OVER 200 ACRES IT WAS THE BIGGEST SUBDIVISION IN ANGLETON, AND I THINK IT STILL IS. IT WAS SCRUTINIZED VERY WELL, EVERY DETAIL AND THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT THE CITY ENGINEER, THAT THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT ENGINEER, THE CITY MANAGER SAID WAS, "DO NOT CAUSE ANY IMPACT ON WESTERN AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD," BECAUSE HERITAGE OAKS ELEVATION WISE IS HIGHER, WESTERN AVENUE WAS BUILT LONG TIME AGO WITH THE HOMES WERE BUILT ON THE GROUND. THEY'VE HAD FLOODED, HAVE HISTORY OF FLOODING IN PART OF THAT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN SO WE HAVE TAKEN GREAT CARE AT THE CITY'S REQUEST TO BUILD BIG LOTS. WE COULD HAVE MADE A LOT MORE MONEY BUILDING SMALL LOTS, SO WE DID A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THERE, BUT THE LAND THAT THEY WANT THE DEVELOPMENT ON WAS A DESIGNATED FOR LOTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO WHICH ARE 100 FOOT LOTS. THE SIGNAL INTERESTS WAS DONE ON PURPOSE FOR THAT REASON, SO WE WOULD MAKE SURE IT WAS BUILT TO CODE. WHETHER HE HAD TWO INTERESTS OR THREE INTERESTS RIGHT NOW, IT WOULDN'T MATTER STILL CAN'T BE BUILT THERE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, 30 LOTS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR THAT 28 ACRES JUST [NOISE] LIKE SECTION SEVEN, I HAVE 28 ACRES, I HAVE 34 LOTS. YOU ADD 80 HOMES THERE INSTEAD OF 30, THAT IMPACT ON WESTERN AVENUE IN THE LOWER PART OF HERITAGE OAKS WOULD BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. DURING HURRICANE HARVEY, THEY HAD HOME FLOODED IN WESTERN AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE STREET COMING IN FROM THERE INTO HERITAGE OAKS WAS UNDERWATER FOR A DAY OR TWO. THE STREET GOING INTO THIS 28 ACRES WAS UNDERWATER FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO LOSE 80 HOMES. THE DETENTION POND, AS IT'S DRAWN, REALLY IT'LL WORK 70% OF THE TIME. IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE GATES TO BE OPEN AT THE LEVEE. DITCH TAN IS [INAUDIBLE] HEAD GATES. RANCHO DITCH WHEN I BUILT HERITAGE PARK SUBDIVISION, [01:55:02] WE HAD A RESTRICTION UNDER IN-PERSON ROW, 48 INCH CULVERT WHERE IT SHOULD BE BIGGER. YOU ALL ARE TAKING CARE OF THAT NOW, PUTTING IN BIG BOX COVERS BUT THAT SMALL CULVERT RESTRICTED WATER DURING A BIG RAIN EVENT. THE WATER BACK FLOWED FROM RANCHO DITCH INTO OUR DETENTION POND, WE NO LONGER HAD THE CAPACITY. THE STREETS FLOODED. HOMES DIDN'T, BUT THE STREETS DID. THIS DETENTION POND FOR THIS PROJECT IS DIRECTLY FEEDING INTO DITCH TAN. WHEN THE GATES ARE CLOSED, WHICH HAS HAPPENED THREE TIMES THE LAST 10 YEARS, THAT DITCH COMES TO A STOP BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE REDIRECTED TO A VERY SMALL CHANNEL ALLOWING TWO ADI TO BRUSH BY. I'VE MEASURED, DURING HARVEY I HAD A GAUGE OUT THERE. SOME DAYS THERE'S RISING TWO DAYS AFTER THE RAIN HAS PASSED, JUST CAUSE A HUGE WATERSHED. IN THE POND THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED IN HERITAGE PARK. THE WATER WILL BACKFILL THROUGH THAT SECOND DRAINAGE PIPE INTO THE POND, POND WILL FILL UP AND AT 28 ACRES OF LAND THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO, SO IT'S GOING TO GO DOWNHILL AND THAT'S WESTERN AVENUE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOMES WOULD FLOOD BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY OF KEEPING IT OUT. THEY HAD WALL OF THE BRIDGE, HERITAGE OAKS DRIVE THAT GOES OVER THEIR DITCH THERE, I DON'T KNOW THE ELEVATION YET. I KNOW THE ELEVATION IN WESTERN AVENUE AND THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN TO WESTERN AVENUE, BUT THAT WAS A BIG THING THAT WAS TOLD TO US 20 YEARS AGO, DON'T IMPACT THEM AND WE'VE DONE THAT SO FAR, BUT 80 HOMES WOULD FLOOD HOUSES THERE. I THINK WE STILL NEED TO DO WHAT THE CITY TOLD US TO DO BACK THEN AND TRY TO PROTECT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE VULNERABLE. THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN DO, 35, YOU CAN'T PUT A CULVERT UNDER IT, THAT TAKES OUT NORMAL HEALTH. THEY'RE AT THE MERCY OF WHAT'S UPSTREAM. THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S 550 HOMES FOR THE OFFSPRING COLONY, 50-FOOT LOTS THAT IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 44 FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL THAT WATER HAS TO RUN THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THROUGH WESTERN AVENUE. BRUSHY BOUND FLOWS GREAT. DURING HURRICANE HARVEY IT WAS RUNNING FAST. RANCHO DITCH HAD PROBLEMS BUT YOU'RE FIXING THAT. THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING DONE ON DITCH TAN IT'S A HUGE WATERSHED. EVERYTHING YOU PUT UP STREAM IS GOING TO IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IMPACT WESTERN AVENUE NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS, THINK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE I DON'T HEAR THAT EVER TALKED ABOUT. YOU GET SOMETHING FROM THE PLAT, YOU ASSUME IT'S OKAY, AND IT'S PROBABLY OKAY 70 PERCENT OF THE TIME, BUT THE TIME THE GATES ARE CLOSED THEY DON'T TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT WILL IMPACT US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU MR. PALTIER AND MY APOLOGIES. YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME DEVELOPING HOUSES AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. IT WAS SOME OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE OFFENSE TO MR. PALTIER SAYING I NEVER TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE. [NOISE] >> MOVING RIGHT ALONG, MISS CLARA DENHOUSE. >> I HAVE A PRESENTATION AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS IF I CAN GIVE YOU A COPY. >> SURE. >> I'M GOING TO SHARE IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT. [INAUDIBLE] MY NAME IS CLARE DANIELS, I LIVE AT 864 SPREADING OAKS DRIVE. I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE WHISPERING PINES SUBDIVISION RE-PLAN AND VARIANCE REQUEST AND EXPRESS CONCERNS FOR MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN SURROUNDING AREA WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT. I JUST WANT TO GET A SHOW OF HANDS WHO IS HERE TO PROTEST THIS SUBDIVISION. [NOISE] YOU CAN SEE WHO'S HERE FOR WHAT. I'M REPRESENTING THEM. THERE ARE A FEW OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO TALK. BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE PUT TOGETHER A PROTEST FORM SO THEY COULD SPEAK AND VOICE THEIR CONCERNS TO THE COUNCIL. I'M NOW GOING TO TELL YOU THE DETAILS. THE FIRST PAGE, JUST FLIP ON THROUGH. THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT THE PROTEST FORM LOOK LIKE. IT WAS ALL ONE PAGE. WE LISTED SOME REASONS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS. THEY COULD EASILY JUST CHECK A CHECK BOX AND THEN WE GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE COMING INTO THE HERITAGE OF SUBDIVISION. I LOST MY MIC. CAN YOU-ALL HEAR ME? >> I CAN HEAR YOU. JUST TURN IT DOWN. >> I'M I YELLING TOO LOUD? [LAUGHTER] THE FACT THAT THEY ARE COMING THROUGH BOULEVARD ENTRY, AND THEY ARE ENTERING JUST A SMALL TWO LANE ROAD, [02:00:04] ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, AND BUILDING A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION WITHIN OUR SUBDIVISION WHICH IS STRANGE TO ME. WE HAVE SEVEN OTHER SECTIONS IN HERITAGE OAKS. WE CONSIDER THIS SECTION 8, THIS WOULD BE JUST ANOTHER SECTION. BUT THESE DEVELOPERS WANTING TO COME IN AND BUILD A WHOLE ANOTHER SUBDIVISION AND CALL IT WHISPERING PINES WHEN ALL OF OUR STREET NAMES ARE OAK. WE HAVE BIG OAK TREES OUT THERE, SO IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE AND IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT. BUT I THINK THAT SOME OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES ARE THE SINGLE ENTRY, THE SIZE OF THE HOMES AND THE LOTS, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT WITH EVERY SUBDIVISION, BUT WESTERN AVENUE IS A VERY SKINNY ROAD AND WHEN THERE'S TRASH DAYS OUT AND THE TRASH TRUCK'S COMING THROUGH, YOU'RE ONE CAR AT A TIME ON THAT ROAD, AND IT'S NOT A VERY WELL-MAINTAINED ROAD AS IT IS, AND THERE'S POTHOLES EVERYWHERE. I JUST DON'T SEE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THERE AS BEING A GOOD THING, AND A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AGREE WITH THAT. FLOODING CONCERNS, AS CHRIS TALKED ABOUT. I THINK REMOVAL OF TREES IS ANOTHER CONCERN. WE ALL HAVE A VIEW OF ALL THESE TREES AND PUTTING 80 HOMES OUT THERE, HE'S GOING TO LEVEL THOSE TREES. I DON'T SEE HOW HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES AND PUT 80 HOMES OUT THERE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS IT'S NOT CONSISTING WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FOLKS ON WESTERN AVENUE. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN HERITAGE OAKS. WE HAVE BIGGER LOTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECTED TO BE OUT THERE. I THINK EVERYONE THAT LIVES OUT THERE HAS ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE 30 HOMES OR LESS OUT THERE WITH A LAKE LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IN HERITAGE OAKS NOT A DRY RETENTION POND WITH 80 HOMES STACKED CLOSE TOGETHER. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE EXPECTED. I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY CAN LIVE IN HERITAGE OAKS, BUT THOSE OF US THAT LIVE OUT THERE, A LOT OF US RETIRED THERE, WE WANT TO LIVE THERE. THAT'S OUR FOREVER HOME, AND WE DON'T WANT YOU TO RUIN IT FOR US. I'M EXPECTING TO LIVE THERE UNTIL I DIE. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE IN ANGLETON, AND I DON'T WANT TO MOVE. IN THIS SUBDIVISION, I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY SOLD THEIR HOMES AND MOVED INTO THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S AMAZING. THAT TELLS YOU HOW GREAT HERITAGE OAKS IS. THE PEOPLE WANT TO SELL THEIR HOME AND THEY STILL BUY ANOTHER HOME IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION. BUT NOW I'M HAVING PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND SAY, I'M SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING SELLING MY HOME BECAUSE OF THIS SUBDIVISION, AND I HATE TO HEAR THAT. I JUST WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR SURVEY. THIS IS THE SURVEY FORMS. I HAVE 305 HERE. THE NUMBER HAS GONE UP SINCE PMZ MEETING. PEOPLE COULD [NOISE] COME TO FILL OUT THIS SURVEY FORM, SIGN THEIR NAME TO IT, AND A LOT OF THIS HAD DIFFERENT REASONS. I'VE TRIED TO GO OVER AS MANY OF THEM AS I CAN, BUT WE MADE A POINT TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BORDERING THE PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY [NOISE] TO GET THE DATA THERE. I'VE GOT 305 PROTEST FORMS FROM INDIVIDUALS. BUT I HAVE 92 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY BORDERING THE SUBDIVISION, SO 92 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE OPPOSE IT. THE OTHER ONES MAY OR MAY NOT, I JUST HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET A HOLD OF EVERYBODY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE FOR IT BY ANY MEANS. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PROTESTING IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WOULD BE THE REST OF WESTERN AVENUE AND THE REST OF HERITAGE OAKS IS 76 PERCENT. AGAIN, [NOISE] THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT 24 PERCENT ARE FOR IT. I'M TELLING YOU THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT A PROTEST FORM BACK FROM EVERYBODY. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME [NOISE] COLORING THIS REALLY PRETTY GRAPH. I WANT TO SHOW EVERYBODY THAT I SPENT THE TIME COLORING IT. THE YELLOW COLOR IS THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION, THE 28 ACRES. THE PINK ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROTEST AND SAID I DO NOT WANT THIS 80 HOME SUBDIVISION RIGHT BESIDE ME. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT WITHIN 200 FEET. I'M TELLING YOU. THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS UNITED AGAINST THIS PROJECT, AND THE DEVELOPER KEEP SAYING HE'S GOING TO BRING IN A SECOND ACCESS POINT SOMEWHERE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS SECOND ACCESS POINT IS GOING TO MAGICALLY APPEAR BECAUSE THERE IS NO SECOND ACCESS POINT WHERE THERE'S A NEIGHBOR THAT'S NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE LAND WOULD COME FROM. WE HAVE 100 PERCENT ON HERITAGE OAKS WHO ARE AGAINST IT, 100 PERCENT ON WESTERN AVENUE, [02:05:02] 100 PERCENT ON MARIE RANCH ROAD. EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST, 100 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS SUBDIVISION. ON THE NORTH, IT'S ONLY 86 PERCENT. THEY HAVE A DITCH IN-BETWEEN ON THERE, BUT THEY STILL BORDERS THE PROPERTY IN OUR MINDS. THEY SEE IT AS THEIR BACKYARD. LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T GOT EVERYBODY, BUT THERE'S A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE DO HAVE PROTEST FORMS IN THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK TOO LONG, BUT I HAVE A LIST OF CONCERNS. YOU CAN READ THEM HERE. I THINK THE TRAFFIC AND THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH HIGHWAY 35, IT'S ALREADY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT AND DANGEROUS. A LOT OF PEOPLE GO DOWN WESTERN AVENUE THAT ARE GOING TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN. THEY DRIVE FROM HERITAGE OAKS, DRIVE THROUGH WESTERN AVENUE BECAUSE IT IS SO DANGEROUS TO GET OUT. I THINK PUTTING 80 HOMES POTENTIALLY, 160-200 CARS, THAT WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT TRAFFIC PROBLEM. I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THERE, BESIDES THE DRAINAGE AND ALL OF THAT. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU EVEN GET A SECOND ACCESS POINT, WE'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE FOR IT. I THINK THE MAIN THING IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THE SINGLE ENTRANCE, ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR YOU GUYS TO FOLLOW CITY ORDINANCE. WE'RE NOT ASKING. DON'T GIVE THEM THE VARIANCE. WE'RE JUST SAYING, FOLLOW THE RULES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, AND DON'T GIVE THEM A VARIANCE. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. IF HE WAS BUILDING THIS SUBDIVISION RIGHT ACCORDING TO THE ORDINATES, HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO ENTRIES. HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BOULEVARD ENTRY. HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS. HE HAS NONE OF THAT. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE SOME DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME IN HERE AND WANT TO PUT 80 HOMES BEHIND ONE SINGLE ROAD AND EXPECT TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN AND NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WANT THEM HERE. I GUESS WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU NOT TO APPROVE THE RE-PLAN OR THE VARIANCE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU MS. DANIELS. [NOISE] NEXT UP IS MS. CHRISTY DANIEL. >> I'M NOT AS LOUD AS CLARA. [LAUGHTER] I'M CHRISTY DANIEL. I LIVE AT 872 SPREADING OAKS. I WOULD LIKE TO START BY A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT MR. MAYOR SAID AT THE MAY 25TH COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT HAVING MORE THAN ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT AT A CAR [INAUDIBLE] AS HE WITNESSED A THREE-HOUR BURN HALL AND IT BLOCKED HIS SUBDIVISION. HIS NEIGHBORS HAVE USED THE GRAYSTONE FIRE GATE IN ORDER TO GET OUT. EVEN IF THE CITY OWNED LOT THAT IS ON WESTERN, EVEN IF THEY MADE THAT THEIR SECOND ACCESS POINT. IT'S STILL GOING TO PUT A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ALL OF WESTERN AVENUE AND HERITAGE OAKS. THE DRAINAGE, THE TRAFFIC, AND THE LOT SIZES. THE DRAINAGE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ALL ZONED TO AH ON WESTERN AVENUE. THAT'S MODERATE TO [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW WHEN IT RAINS HEAVY, THEIR TOILETS BACK UP. WHAT IS 80 MORE HOMES GOING TO DO TO THAT STATION AND THE SEWER? THE TRAFFIC. WESTERN AVENUE IS VERY NARROW. YOU CAN'T SAFELY DRIVE TWO CARS. IF SOMEONE'S COMING, YOU HAVE TO PULL OVER AND YIELD, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO GO BY REAL SLOW SO YOU DON'T BUMP MIRRORS. ADDING 80 HOMES IS GOING TO BE HORRIFIC. IT'S ALSO RIDDLED WITH POTHOLES. BUT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE GRAYSTONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REMINGTON. PRETEND THAT THE GRAYSTONE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXIT ON DEVELOPED AREAS AND THEN IT'S GOING TO USE REMINGTON AS ITS ACCESS POINT. BUT THEN MAKE IT NARROWER BY 10 FEET AND IN BAD CONDITION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO WESTERN AVENUE IF YOU ADD 80 HOMES RIGHT THERE. THEN THE LOT SIZES. YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE WESTERN AVENUE THREE TO FOUR BACK NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THE LOT SIZES ARE SO NARROW. I WANT TO MENTION THE PROMOTIONAL VIDEO THAT ANGLETON HAS COME UP WITH. IT'S GREATLY DONE BUT IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS THREE-WIDE LOT ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. BRONCO BEND, LAUREL LOOP, AND HERITAGE OAKS. [02:10:02] BRONCO BEND IS 125 WIDTH BY 125 DEEP, LAUREL LOOP IS 90 FOOT WIDTH BY 130, AND THEN HERITAGE OAKS VARIES FROM 100-125 BUT NOTHING BEING LESS THAN HALF ACRE. [NOISE] I DID CALL IT A BAIT AND SWITCH VIDEO DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE HIGHLIGHTING THESE WONDERFULLY ESTABLISHED WIDE LOT NEIGHBORHOODS BUT ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN ARE SMALL AND TINY. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT TO HAVE THESE BIG DEVELOPERS COME IN HERE AND BUY UP OUR PRAIRIE LAND AND OUR FARMLAND, AND THEN DO A HOUSTON CHOP SHOP ON IT AND GIVE US NARROW LOTS THAT HAVE NO ROOM TO PLAY, AND HOUSES THAT ARE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO RECREATE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU ALL PROMOTED IN THAT VIDEO AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THE LAST ONE I HAVE WAS MS. SHERRY PRENTAL. [BACKGROUND] >> MY NAME IS SHERRY PRENTAL. MY HUSBAND AND I HAD BEEN LIVING ON WESTERN AVENUE [NOISE] FOR 38 YEARS. MOST OF THE POINTS I WAS GOING TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRETTY WELL COVERED SO I'LL JUST ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS TO IT. FIRST OF ALL, I FEEL THAT WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS CONCERNED EXPRESS FOR DEVELOPERS AND HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO WAIT. MOST OF US REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. DEVELOPERS ARE IN THIS BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY AND MOST OF THEM ALREADY HAVE MONEY AND THAT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED WITH WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. IT'S THE COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITY. I'VE ALSO HEARD HERITAGE OAKS GET A LOT OF BASHING TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY ARE UPSCALE SUBDIVISION. WESTERN AVENUE IS NOT, IT'S AN OLD SUBDIVISION. IT HAD BEEN THERE MANY NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE WE BUILT THERE. I'VE ALSO SEEN IT DETERIORATE OVER THE LAST 38 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED THERE. PART OF IT IS THE POOR CONDITION OF THE STREET WHICH HAS BEEN RETAUGHT, I THINK ONE TIME IN THE 38 YEARS I'VE LIVED THERE. THE CITY COMES ALONG AND DUMPS A LITTLE HOT MIX IN THE POTHOLES, RUNS OVER IT WITH THEIR TRUCK TWO OR THREE TIMES, AND CALLS IT GOOD AND THAT LAST TILL THE FIRST BIG RAIN. THE STREET IS NARROW AND IT'S VERY POORLY MAINTAINED. WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE TRAFFIC. WE'VE ALREADY GOT [NOISE] MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAN WE WOULD LIKE ALREADY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES OPERATING OUT OF THE HOMES IN THIS RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. NOW, THAT'S IN OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, REALIZED THE CITY CANNOT ENFORCE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION SO UNLESS SOMEBODY STEPS OUT AND BRINGS IN AN INDIVIDUAL SUIT, WE'RE JUST STUCK WITH IT. THERE ARE LANDSCAPERS, LANDSCAPING BUSINESSES. THEY MARSHALL, THEY GATHER THEIR WORKERS TOGETHER, PARK ALL OVER THE STREET, PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, MAKES IT EVEN THAT MUCH HARDER FOR US TO GET BY IN A STREET THAT HAS ALREADY HAS PROBLEMS. THE DRAINAGE WAS MENTIONED. I'M FORTUNATE WE'VE NEVER FLOODED. [NOISE] OURS WAS PROBABLY ABOUT THE LAST THREE OR FOUR HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT OUT THERE SO WE ARE UP A LITTLE HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE OLDER HOMES BUT IT'S STILL A VERY MUCH OF AN ISSUE. I FEEL THE CITY SHOULD BE MORE CONCERNED AT THIS TIME WITH THE CURRENT CITY STREETS AND SUBDIVISION INTEGRITY. WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM ON THAT STREET AS AIR TO JOKES, WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS CREATED FOR THE HOMES IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH PROPER ACCESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. >> NOW, I DID HAVE TWO SHEETS HERE THAT SAID THEY WERE AGAINST BUT THEY DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. >> WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING, SO YES SIR. >> THIS IS FOR THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. [02:15:02] >> THANK YOU. >> THIS WAS FROM. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] >> THIS THE LAST PROJECT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET THIS MUCH PUSH BACK ON. WE HEARD OVER LAST YEAR YOU WANT 60 FOOT LOTS AND BIGGER AND WE THOUGHT THIS PROJECT WILL BE WELL RECEIVED WITH 65 FOOT LOTS AND 75 FOOT LOTS. I REACHED OUT TO THE HOA THE FIRST WEEK WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, IT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENTION TO TRY TO WORK WITH THEM AND WE'RE STILL AMENABLE TO MAKING CHANGES. WE REALLY LIKE THIS SITE AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT WORK. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE WITH THE DRY POND, TRYING TO STACK HOUSES, OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPER. WE WERE ACTUALLY PLANNING ON DOING THIS PROJECT WITH THE LOCAL ANGLETON BUILDERS, DOING A FEW HOMES AT A TIME TRYING TO GIVE SOME BIGGER LOTS LIKE THE CITY WANTED. THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS I LOVE TO KEEP CONVERSATIONS OPEN WITH THE HOA IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SEE THIS DEVELOPED. IF THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS DEVELOPED, I'D PETITION THEM TO CONSIDER BUYING THE PROPERTY AND MAYBE TURNING IT INTO A PARK BECAUSE IT'S UNFAIR TO HURT A LOCAL LANDOWNER AND RESTRICT THEM IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED AND YOU JUST WANT TO SEE THE TREES THERE. THIS PROPERTY WE WERE PLANNING TO PROVIDE BIGGER LOTS THAN EVEN THE EXISTING ZONING. THE EXISTING ZONING IS 7200 SQUARE FEET, OUR LOTS RANGED FROM 9,000 AND UP. I HEARD A LOT ABOUT HOW LOTS SIZES DON'T MATCH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, BUT THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY. WHEN ROSEWOOD WAS BUILT, IT WAS BUILT WITH 50 FOOT LOTS THAT BACK UP TO PLANTATION OAKS WHICH ARE 80 FOOT LOTS. I BET WHEN YOU TALK TO THOSE RESIDENTS, THEY DON'T LIKE HEARING THE STIGMA ABOUT THE SMALLER LOTS ARE WORSE. I'M SURE THEY'RE JUST HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME. RIVERWOOD, WE ALREADY HAVE A HOME SALE NOW. BEFORE THE HOME'S EVEN BUILT, WE'RE HEARING A LOT DEMAND FROM OUR BUILDERS. HOW THEY LOVE THE ABILITY TO BUY A $200,000 HOME IN A BRAND NEW COMMUNITY WITH A PARK WHERE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THAT ANYWHERE ELSE. THAT'S THE GIVE AND TAKE ABOUT THESE SMALLER LOTS. THERE'S A NEED FOR THEM BUT THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR THESE BIGGER LOTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE. NOW HEARING THE PUSHBACK, I ACTUALLY WASN'T EXPECTING THIS TO BE ON THE AGENDA. I JUST FOUND OUT YESTERDAY TALKING TO WALTER BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY DOING A LITTLE BIGGER. WE HAVE 75 FOOT LOTS HERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT SEEING WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH ALL 75 AND MAYBE SOME 80S, DOING SOME LAND PLANNING ON THAT. WE'RE AMENABLE TO WORKING ON IT. THE BIG ISSUE WITH THIS PROPERTY IS THE ACCESS POINTS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PROPERTY GOT TO THIS POINT WITH ONLY ONE POINT OF ACCESS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PAGE, THERE USED TO BE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, ONE THAT WENT TO THE EAST AND ONE THAT WENT TO THE NORTH ACROSS THE DITCH. BOTH OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS HAVE BEEN ABANDONED. THE LDC STATES THAT VARIANTS CAN BE GIVEN WHEN CIRCUMSTANCES SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY CREATE AN UNDUE HARDSHIP. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE CAME IN ASKING FOR THIS, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO GET SPECIAL TREATMENT. I'D SAY HAVING YOUR TWO ACCESS POINTS ABANDONED CREATES A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT IF YOU DO DENY THESE VARIANTS, WE PLEASE ASK YOU TO REFER THIS TO THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AS WE ARE WORKING ON SOME OTHER OPTIONS. WE'VE TALKED TO THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT ABOUT PROVIDING AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE'VE TALKED TO THE BATTERY PARK ABOUT PROVIDING AN EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT ON THE EAST SIDE AND WE'VE TRIED WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST TO PROVIDE A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT. WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK THAT OUT. WHAT WE HEARD IS HAVING THAT ACCESS POINT ALONG THE DITCH WOULD ACTUALLY BE A BENEFIT TO BOTH US AND THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY NEED ACCESS DOWN TO THE DITCH TO CLEAN IT. WE'RE HOPING WE CAN MAYBE EXPLORE THAT OPTION A LITTLE MORE. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? >> MICHAEL FOLLY. >> THANK YOU. >> WE'RE STILL ON A PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER 5. GO AHEAD, CHRIS. >> HI. JUST A QUICK REBUTTAL FEW THINGS HE SAID, THE RIGHT OF WAYS THAT WERE ABANDONED, THIS IS LIKE I SAID, A BIG PROJECT, THE BIGGEST SUBDIVISION IN ANGLETON AND WHEN THE FIRST PHASE THERE WAS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT WENT FROM WHISPERING OAKS DRIVE WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY ALL THE WAY TO THE MURRY RANCH ROAD. IT WAS BROUGHT THERE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS THERE, BUT THE MURRY RANCH ROAD WAS NEVER GOING TO WORK FOR SECONDARY ACCESS. IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, SINGLE LANE, WE COULDN'T MAKE IT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO. TXDOT WOULDN'T LET US PUT A SECOND ACCESS AT THAT POINT BECAUSE OF IT'S PROXIMITY TO WESTERN AVENUE. IT WAS DEAD AS FAR AS THE SECOND ACCESS. THE OTHER ROAD YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, [02:20:03] THERE WERE SOME INITIAL PLATTING FOR ROADS. IT WASN'T EVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK THE ONE WAS CALLED GRAND OAKS PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY WERE ABANDONED BECAUSE OUR OTHER OPTION WAS TO GO TO MILLER STREET FOR A SECOND ACCESS OR GO TO COUNTY ROAD 44. COUNTY ROAD 44, WE FELT IT COSTS US A LOT MORE MONEY. WE HAD TO NEGOTIATE WITH FOUR LANDOWNERS TO BUY THE RIGHT OF WAY, PUT IN HALF-MILE IN CONCRETE ROAD. YOU HAD $1.75 MILLION EXPENSE THAT WE DIDN'T GET IN RETURN BECAUSE WE USED LOTS ON IT. BUT WHEN WE DID THAT, IT WAS BETTER FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. IT'S BETTER FOR EVERYBODY TO GET OUT TO THAT SIDE OF TOWN THEN GO INTO ANOTHER WAY. IT WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. BUS BRINGING UTILITIES IN A ROAD. THE HERITAGE COURT SUBDIVISION WOULDN'T EXIST WITHOUT THE ROAD AND UTILITIES WE BROUGHT THERE. LAKESIDE PARK, WOULDN'T EXIST WITHOUT THE ROAD AND UTILITIES WE BROUGHT THERE. CATHOLIC CHURCH TO THE ICS ALL BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID THERE. IT WASN'T THAT THERE ARE SOME HARDSHIP ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME ROADS THAT WERE ABANDONED. THOSE WERE ABANDONED GOOD LONG TIME AGO. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR QUITE A WHILE. THE LAND WAS DESIGNATED FOR THE SINGLE ENTRANCE, WHATEVER'S REQUIRED. BACK THEN, IT WAS 30 LOTS, STILL 30 LOTS. THEY KNEW THAT'S GOING IN. THEY HAVE NO HARDSHIP, IT'S ALL BEEN KNOWN. COMING BACK AND SAYING, "WE'LL DO 75 OR WE'LL DO 80." WE WERE TOLD THAT LAND HAS TO BE CONSISTENT FOR THE REST OF IT, THAT'S WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ENGINEER IN THE [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT. IT STILL HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE LOTS. EIGHTY-FOUR LOTS ARE STILL NONSTARTER, SO THEY CAN COME BACK AND DO THAT, BUT THAT WILL IMPACT THE DRAINAGE. THAT'S A KEY THING THEY SAID, THAT ONE PARTICULAR PIECE, THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL EMPTY, IS IT HAS A SPECIAL PROBLEM FOR DRAINAGE FOR WESTERN AVENUE. ANYTHING THEY DO THIS OUTSIDE, WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE A PART OF SEEING MORE HOMES FLOOD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE DID NOT SIGN UP ONCE WE [INAUDIBLE]. GO AHEAD, MA'AM. >> I'M BARBARA ASCHER AND I LIVE IN HERITAGE OAKS. IN FACT, MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS WANTING TO BE DEVELOPED. WE HAD EXCELLENT OPPOSITION THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORTH TODAY. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS MY CONCERN IS HOW IT'S GOING TO DEVALUE MY PROPERTY. LIKE CLARE SAID, I'M THERE FOR THE LONG HAUL. I WOULD LIKE FOR MY PROPERTY TO BE KEPT AT THE VALUE THAT IT HAS BEEN. ALSO, WHEN I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY, I BOUGHT THINKING THAT THAT PROPERTY BEHIND US WAS GOING TO BE A PART OF OUR SUBDIVISION AND BE REGULATED AS THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE UNDER IN OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY GO UNDER THE PLAT THAT IT'S BEING PROPOSED AT. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM? YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP? [NOISE] >> I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTY NEEDS A PARK BECAUSE THEIR LOTS ARE SO SMALL, THERE WON'T BE ANY ROOM TO PLAY ON. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYBODY ELSE? LAST CALL, SECOND CALL, THIRD CALL. COUNCIL. >> MAY WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU, FOLKS, FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND BEING PART OF THE PROCESS. WE APPRECIATE IT. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE 30 PEOPLE HERE VERSUS THREE PEOPLE IN HERE, SO THANK YOU-ALL SO MUCH. NOW WE'RE ON THE ITEM OF DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION. COUNCIL. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE PROPOSED NEW PLAT INVARIANTS TO SECTION 23, 1, 1. >> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> YEAH, JUST SHOW OF HANDS. HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FROM HERITAGE OAKS? [NOISE] HOW MANY OF YOU FROM WESTERN AVENUE? I THINK SOMEBODY SAID A WHILE AGO THAT I WASN'T MAKING FUN [02:25:03] OF HERITAGE OAKS BECAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT DEVELOPMENT. I JUST GIVE CHRIS A HARD TIME MOST OF THE TIME. [BACKGROUND] BUT THAT WAS THE PLAN BEHIND THAT, NOT THE HEAVY PROBLEMS WITH HERITAGE OAKS. IT'S A GREAT SUBDIVISION. BUT THE WESTERN AVENUE, THIS IS THE SUBDIVISION THAT I HAD BEEN REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT FOR WESTERN AVENUE WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. I'VE BEEN ON THAT SINCE DAY 1 BECAUSE I SAW ON HARVEY WHERE THE GATE WAS SHUT, AND THE WATER CAME UP OVER THE ROAD DOWN THE ROAD AND INTO THE WESTERN AVENUE SUBDIVISION. THAT'S THE PART THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. THEN IF YOU PUT MORE HOUSES IN THE BACKSIDE, THERE'S A BERM CREATED IN THE YEARS AND CHRIS ALLUDED TO IT THAT ONE OF THE WALL ON THE BACK END OF WESTERN AVENUE. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AFFECTING THAT BERM AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR DRAINAGE ISSUES EVEN FURTHER ON WESTERN AVENUE. IN THIS CASE, THE DEVIL ACCESS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN PRETTY STRICT ON HERE LATELY AND I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW THAT CONTINUING. THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR GRACE DONE WITH THE GATE AND ROSEWOOD WITH THE GATE. THOSE TALK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON FACEBOOK OR SOMETHING FROM SOMEBODY CONCERNED ABOUT WHY WE'RE PUTTING UP GATES. THAT WAS BECAUSE WE REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A SECOND ENTRANCE BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO NOT IMPACT CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY HIGH TRAFFICKED AND MAKING IT WORSE ON THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING. WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT AND THAT'S WHY WE MUST CONTINUE TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU, JOHN. ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY AS WELL, I DO CARE ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF PEOPLE REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED 20 YEARS AGO, THE RESIDENTS OF WESTERN AVENUE CAME TO ME AND SAID, "HEY, WE'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT FLOOD ZONE. YOUR INSURANCE IS WAY EXPENSIVE. WE PAY THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTY." I PUSH CITY STAFF SEVERAL YEARS AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THEM CORRECT SURVEYS DONE, AND ALL THE THINGS THEY'D BE DONE TO GET YOU ALL OUT THAT FLOOD ZONE. WE DO CARE ABOUT HOW WE IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORS AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH, YOU GUYS KNOW, I DID ADVOCATE FOR THAT WESTERN AVENUE WHEN THAT WHOLE ISSUE CAME ABOUT, WHICH WAS FLOOD INSURANCE. I THINK A BETTER PLACE WE WORK TODAY OR A FEW YEARS AGO. YOU ALL CAN THANK MS. BARBRA MEADOWS, SHE WAS THE ONE WHO PUSHED BECAUSE I WORKED WITH HER. [BACKGROUND] SHE'S THE ONE THAT DID THAT SO. >> MS. YOWS. >> MS. YOWS TOO. I HAVEN'T SEEN HER IN A WHILE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ONE CLOCK COMMENT. >> GO AHEAD. >> YOU COMMENTED ON MS. FOLEY ON THE MAKING 65-FOOT FRANCE, 135 FEET DEEP AND YOU THOUGHT THAT [NOISE] AND WELL RECEIVED. IT WOULD BE NICE, JUST NOT IN THAT LOCATION. I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER OTHER LOCATIONS. MAYBE RIVERWAY WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT IT. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY DUES. >> OKAY, THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK. >> MR. MAYOR, LAST THING IS IT WAS NOTED BY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON WESTERN AVENUE ABOUT THE ROAD CONDITION. CRYSTAL, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT GOING DOWN THE ROAD TO SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? >> SURE. [APPLAUSE] >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE? HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION. [APPLAUSE] WELL, TAKE A 10-MINUTE RECESS. I GOT TO CLEAR THEM IF YOU'D LIKE. YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY. GIVE US 10 MINUTES. [BACKGROUND] >> WAS BACK AT THE TABLE AT 8:48. [NOISE] WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 6, [6. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible on a preliminary replat of Riverwood Ranch Subdivision Section 2.] CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PRELIMINARY REPLAT OF RIVERWOOD RAMP SUBDIVISION SECTION 2. MR. WALTER. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 3RD. THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO ALL THE COMMENTS BEING CLEARED PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING, EXCEPT THAT THEY VOTED 5-2 AGAINST THE MOTION, AND THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THERE WAS NO COMMENT AS TO WHY THEY VOTED THE WAY THEY VOTED, AND I DON'T KNOW THE REASON. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IN THAT. AS NONE OF THOSE COMMENTS HAD BEEN CLEARED BY THE TIME I PREPARED THE SUMMARY FOR THIS MEETING, I WROTE THAT INTO THE AGENDA SUMMARY. WE DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. STAFF HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. [02:30:02] AS A RESULT, THE PLAT TONIGHT DOES NOT PROPOSE PRELIMINARY REPLAT, DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON. BECAUSE THOSE COMMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN CLEARED AND I HAVE TO CHANGE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENIAL. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. >> THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT BRIEF. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WE NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING. >> [INAUDIBLE] TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND, BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. [BACKGROUND] THAT MOTION CARIES. WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY WANTED TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER 6, OR JUST IN GENERAL. GO AHEAD, SIR. >> HELLO AGAIN. THE MAIN THING FOR TONIGHT IS TWO FOR ONE. WE GOT OUR SECTION 2 PLAT AND WE'VE FINISHED SECTION 1, SO WE'RE DEDICATING THAT LITTLE FURTHER ALONG IN THE AGENDA. WE ALREADY HEARD FROM NEIGHBORS, PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING OUR WALKING TRAIL WE'VE PUT IN THERE, WE MADE IT A FOOT WIRE THAT WE NEEDED TOO. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE ALREADY HAVE A HOME, SOLAR BUILDERS ARE READY TO GET STARTED. WELL, THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED, BUT THEY'RE EAGER TO GET MORE HOMES GOING. WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS GIVE A REFRESHER ON THIS PROJECT. IT WAS 2018 WHEN WE FIRST STARTED IT. A LOT OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH IT, SO I PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF THINGS REGARDING THE PROJECT. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 4, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. THIS WAS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, IS WHAT WE GOT APPROVED. THIS WAS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE GOT APPROVED. IT WAS GOING TO BE A MIXTURE OF 45S, 50S, AND 60S. SECTIONS 1 AND 2 WERE 45 FOOT LOTS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, WE UPDATED IT TO BE A LITTLE CLEARER. NOW IT SHOWS THE LOTS AND THE SECTIONS THERE. IF YOU LOOK WHAT WE DID WITH SECTIONS 1 AND 2, THAT'S ABOUT AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET TO WHAT OUR CONCEPT PLAN WAS. WE EXTENDED IT TO GET THE SECONDARY POINT OF ACCESS WITH SECTION 2. THEN WE'VE UPDATED THE REST OF THE PROJECT A LITTLE, WE'VE COMBINED THE PONDS. YOU GUYS MIGHT BE HAPPY TO SEE OUR 64 FOOT LOTS INCREASED, ALMOST DOUBLED. I GUESS THAT'S SOME GOOD NEWS. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE'RE ADHERING TO THAT PLAN UP TO NOW AT SF1 FOR SECTIONS 1 AND 2. WALTER MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS WE HAD TO ADDRESS. SORRY, IT TOOK UNTIL YESTERDAY TO GET THEM. THEY WERE MINOR COMMENTS THOUGH. THERE WAS ABOUT 10 OF THEM. I INCLUDED THE UPDATED PLAT IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE COMMENTS NOW OR IF YOU WANT HDR TO COMMENT IF THEY'D BEEN UPDATED SO WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED TONIGHT. BUT WHATEVER YOU ALL RECOMMEND, I'M HAPPY TO DO. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. >> THANK YOU, MR. FOLEY. JUST LOOKING AT NOTES HERE. >> HDR'S LOOKED AT IT? HAVE YOU ALL LOOKED AT THERE, JOHN? >> WE JUST RECEIVED THE RECENT MIDDLE FOR THIS, I BELIEVE, YESTERDAY, CORRECT? >> YEAH. >> NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING? >> GO AHEAD, SIR. >> ONE OF THESE COMMENTS THOUGH WAS THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR 0.1. A COUPLE OF YOU, I THINK WERE ON A COUNCIL WHEN WE DID THAT PROJECT. THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN DETERMINED AT THE ORIGINAL WHEN THE OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN WAS APPROVED. IT WAS DETERMINED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO BOULEVARD ENTRANCES AND THREE POINTS OF ACCESS. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT. I JUST WANTED TO AS I SAID, REFRESH YOUR [NOISE] MEMORY ON THAT. >> I VAGUELY REMEMBER THAT. >> DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I THINK I DO. >> I'M VAGUELY DO, BUT IT SHOULD BE IN THE MINUTES. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DO REMEMBER THAT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. >> I REMEMBER THAT BEING A POINT BUT WE DESIGNED DOWNING ROAD, BUCHTA ROAD IN THE HOSPITAL DRIVE TO ACCOMMODATE FULLY DEVELOPED LAND ON ALL SIDES. TO COME BACK AND BACK AT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS JUST NOT NECESSARY. >> SAVE A DOLLAR, IF YOU CAN SAVE A DOLLAR. >> IF SOMEONE JUST LIKES DOING TRAFFIC STUDIES, THEY CAN DO IT ON THEIR OWN. >> OKAY. WE'RE STILL ON A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON FORGETS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE, THREE TIMES. COUNCIL. >> MAYOR, I'LL MOVE THE CLOSE VOTE CARRYING. >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND TO THE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. [02:35:02] ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE'RE ON TO THE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION. >> MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] PRELIMINARY REPLAT OF [INAUDIBLE] SECTION 2. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? [OVERLAPPING] >> I WANT TO RECEIVE WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE IN THE PACKET. WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THINGS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE NIGHT OF THE MEETING. WHATEVER ITEM WE ADDRESS, WHENEVER. [NOISE] >> OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I LISTENED TO THE P&Z MEETING. I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THEY WERE DENYING IT BASED OFF OF THE LOT SIZE. I THINK THAT WAS WHAT MS. FORB AND MS. BERRY WANT TO SAY AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAD MAY MENTIONED THAT BEFORE THEY'VE TOOK THAT VOTE. I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND LISTEN TO IT TODAY. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHAT THE POINT OF ORDER WAS ON THAT. >> GO AHEAD, WALTER. >> I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD SPECULATION. BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY EXPRESS A REASON WHY THEY VOTED THE WAY THEY VOTED ON THAT MOTION, SO IT WOULD ONLY BE IN SPECULATION. >> SURE. I CAN PUT THEM UNDER OATH IF YOU'D LIKE. [BACKGROUND] >> SURE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE JUST HAVE EVERYTHING THAT STAFF DO A COMPLETE REVIEW BEFORE WE APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. IF THERE'S NONE, OH, GO AHEAD, WALTER. >> JUST THE THOUGHT HERE. I KNOW THAT THE MOTION IS TO DENY. JOHN'S GROUP COULD CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE COMMENTS IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE THIS TO YOUR FIRST MEETING NEXT MONTH, I THINK THAT'S 13TH. >> IT'S MORE THAN 30 DAYS NOW, ISN'T IT? >> PARDON? >> IT'S MORE THAN THAT 30 DAYS, SO IF THEY DON'T APPROVE. >> NO, THEY JUST HAVE TO ACT. IF THEY'RE ACTING BY CONTINUING IT TO ALLOW TIME FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE COMMENTS, SO I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY OKAY. >> WELL, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 212009. >> YEAH, I KNOW. I THINK THAT THIS IS PERFECTLY IN LINE. WE'RE ACTING ON IT. I DOUBT THAT MR. FOLEY'S GOING TO OBJECT TO THAT BECAUSE THEN THE OTHER CHOICES, IT GETS DENIED AND HE'S GOT TO MAKE ANOTHER APPLICATION. >> WELL, THEY CAN APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. >> YES, THEY COULD, BUT WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THOSE CONDITIONS SATISFIED AND HOW'S THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? >> WE HAVE A MOTION. >> [INAUDIBLE] THE MOTION. I JUST THOUGHT I'D CLARIFY, BECAUSE OF THIS MOTION TONIGHT, WHAT IS THE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE RAMIFICATION, IS IT JUST THAT HE'S JUST GOT TO COME BACK AGAIN? >> HE GOES BACK P&Z. >> HE'S GOT TO GO BACK TO P&Z. >> HE'S GOT TO MAKE ANOTHER APPLICATION, AND WE GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. >> I'M FOR FOLLOWING THE PROCESS. >> COUNCIL? ANYMORE COMMENTS? >> NO, SIR. >> WELL, I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THE MOTION CARRIES. [NOISE] [7. Discussion and possible action on Ordinance 20210622-007 adopting a percentage-based homestead exemption from ad valorem taxes and amending Chapter 24 Taxation, Article III. Residence Homestead Exemptions, Section 24-31 Homestead Exemption for the elderly and Section 24-32 Homestead Exemptions for certain disabled persons of the City of Angleton Code of Ordinances; ratification of prior exemptions adopted by the City of Angleton; providing for severability clause; providing for a penalty and providing for repeal and effective date.] >> NUMBERS. REGULAR ITEMS. NUMBER 7: DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 20210622-007 ADOPTING A PERCENTAGE-BASED HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FROM THE AD VALOREM TAXES AND AMENDING CHAPTER 24 TAXATION, ARTICLE 3. RESIDENCE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, SECTION 24-31 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FOR THE ELDERLY, AND SECTION 24-32 HOMESTEAD EXCEPTIONS FOR CERTAIN DISABLED PERSONS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON CODE OF ORDINANCES; RATIFICATION OF PRIOR EXEMPTIONS ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF ANGLETON; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND EFFECTIVE DATE. CHRIS. >> I'M JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS. THE PURPOSE OF THE AGENDA ITEM IS THAT WE NEED TO PASS THE ORDINANCE RELATED TO THE EXEMPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE FOR THE AD VALOREM TAXES, AND THE DEADLINE IS JULY THE 1ST. THE ORDINANCE IS LEFT BLANK AS FAR AS PERCENTAGE FOR THE HOMESTEAD LOCAL OPTION PERCENTAGE. LAST YEAR IT WAS ONE PERCENT, BUT WE'VE GOT OPTIONS FOR TWO AND THREE PERCENT IF WE WANT TO INCREASE THAT. IT WOULD MAINTAIN THE 50,000 EXEMPTIONS FOR OVER 65 AND DISABLED THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. [02:40:05] WE ALSO HAVE COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR HERE. I'LL LET HER INTRODUCE HERSELF, AND SHE'S GOING TO GIVE US ALL THE INFORMATION THAT SHE HAS RELATED TO THIS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS KRISTIN BULANEK. I'M YOUR NEW BRAZORIA COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR-COLLECTOR. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK TONIGHT TO YOU GUYS, AND I ALSO [NOISE] JUST WANT TO GIVE MY APPRECIATION, FOR YOU GUYS TAKING THE INITIATION, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS TAX CODE PROVISION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. THAT'S A GREAT THING. WITH VALUES CONTINUING TO GO UP IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, IT'S A GREAT THING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TO OFFER THAT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE VALUES THAT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT SINCE THEY ARE CONTINUING TO GO UP. FOR THE RECORD, I DO NOT [LAUGHTER] SET YOUR VALUES. I ONLY COLLECT YOUR MONEY. [LAUGHTER]. >> I KNEW YOU [INAUDIBLE] THAT. >> WITH TAX CODE 11.13, IT DOES ALLOW A GOVERNING BODY TO ADOPT A LOCAL OPTION HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF UP TO 20 PERCENT WITH A MINIMUM VALUE OF $5,000. AS CHRIS MENTIONED, YOU GUYS DID DO A ONE PERCENT LAST YEAR. WHEN MR. WHITAKER AND MR. HILL MET WITH ME, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WHAT NOT ONLY ONE PERCENT, BUT ALSO A TWO PERCENT AND THREE PERCENT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IF YOU REFER TO PAGE 63 IN YOUR PACKET AGENDA, THAT IS BASICALLY THE SUMMATION OF WHAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER LOOKING AT THOSE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THOUGH THAT THESE ARE BASED ON 2021 PRELIMINARY VALUES. THESE WILL CHANGE BY CERTIFICATION. IN ADDITION TO THAT, FOR ESTIMATING THE TAX LEVY THAT WILL BE LOST BASED ON THE EXEMPTION THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE. WE USE THE 2020 ADOPTED TAX RATE. IF YOU WOULD GET TO THE GIST OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN, IT'S YOUR TAX LEVY LAWS SO THAT'S ACTUAL MONEY, THAT'S REVENUE THAT WOULD BE LOST COMING INTO THE COUNTY. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ONE PERCENT, THAT WOULD BE THE 138,000 AND THEN TWO PERCENT WOULD BE THE 143,000, AND THE THREE PERCENT WOULD BE THE $161,000. I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ONE PERCENT VERSUS YOUR THREE PERCENT LOCAL EXEMPTION, THERE'S ONLY A $22,800 DIFFERENCE THERE. THAT REALLY IS DUE TO THAT $5,000 MINIMUM EXEMPTION THAT HAS TO BE GIVEN. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE THERE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND THEN BELOW THAT IS JUST WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE PER INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER OF WHAT THEIR PROPERTY TAX SAVINGS WOULD BE. I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU GUYS. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME IN REGARDS TO THE EXEMPTION OR THE ANALYSIS BEFORE YOU, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BULANEK? CHRIS, DID YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? >> I'LL RECOMMEND WE GO UP TO TWO PERCENT. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. >> IT'S A GREAT THING WE STARTED LAST YEAR, FIRST TIME, AND I THINK, AS PROPERTY VALUES RISE, WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS TO PROVIDE THAT TAX RELIEF BECAUSE HOMESTEAD IS ABOUT LIVING HERE AND PLANTING YOUR ROOTS HERE, SO YOU CAN HOLD MULTIPLE HOUSES, BUT YOU'RE SHOWING YOU LIVE HERE, SO I THINK YOU SHOULD GET THAT BENEFIT. >> I AGREE, AND I THINK SLOW AND STEADY. WE STARTED LAST YEAR WITH ONE PERCENT, WE MOVED UP TO TWO PERCENT. NOW, WE KEEP ADDRESSING IT EVERY YEAR. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU THOUGH, AND IT WAS AROUND THE ONE PERCENT CURRENTLY USING THE POINT 6.6.5, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT ADOPTED RATE. THAT 138,000 THAT YOU SHOW, OR MAYBE CHRIS SHOWS, THAT'S REVENUE THAT'S ALREADY LOST, RIGHT? WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE NOW. >> YES. IF WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE ALREADY HAD LAST YEAR, IT WOULD BE 138. YOU WOULD HAVE TO REVERSE COURSE IN ORDER TO GET [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK TO 138, RIGHT. THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE TALKING IS THE 4,000. IT'S NOT MUCH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP GOING FORWARD. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN THE OTHER CITIES, KRISTIN? >> I THINK YOU-ALL ARE SETTING THE TONE. >> ARE WE? >> WE SEE MORE PEOPLE BEGINNING TO LOOK AT THIS TAX CODE THAT GIVES THIS OPPORTUNITY. [02:45:03] >> KRISTIN, WHICH CITIES? WHICH CITIES [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ON THE SPOT HERE, ACTUALLY. [LAUGHTER] >> OKAY. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S OKAY. >> I CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT INFORMATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY THOUGH, ARE WE? OR ARE WE? >> I DO NOT BELIEVE SO, BUT I CAN GET YOU A LIST OF WHO OFFERS WHAT. >> WELL, I WENT AROUND. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE MANY OTHER CITIES WERE DOING IT. >> I WILL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. >> OKAY. >> IS THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, BUT FOR THE SENIORS AND THE DISABLED, IT'S ALL ROLLED INTO ONE IN THESE NUMBERS, OR IS THIS JUST SEPARATE? >> THIS IS ONLY THE HOMESTEAD. >> THIS IS JUST THE HOMESTEAD? THE SENIOR EXEMPTION IS THERE? >> YOU-ALL OFFER AN ADDITIONAL LOCAL OPTION FOR OVER 65 AND DISABLED. >> DO WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE ANYTIME SOON? >> I HAVE IT IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT AN UPDATE WAS NOT CODIFIED, SO I WAS INFORMED THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CODE DOESN'T MATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SO I UPDATED YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO HIM READ THE HEADER, AND I WAS LIKE, "THIS IS A HOMESTEAD," AND I WAS THINKING, "WELL, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ELSE GOING THERE." WHEN DO YOU THINK WE'LL HAVE THE PRELIMINARY? I KNOW ALL THE PROTESTS ARE BEING FILED RIGHT NOW AND WRAPPED UP, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF STUFF? >> CERTIFIED HAS TO BE PROVIDED TO US, JULY 25TH. >> OKAY. >> IN THE EVENT THAT THE ARB IS UNABLE TO APPROVE A ROLE BY THEN, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH CERTIFIED ESTIMATES, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR MS. BULANEK OR MR. CHRIS 2.0 OR 1.0? [LAUGHTER] NOBODY'S MADE A MOTION. >> MR. MAYOR, I GUESS I'LL SAY I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT ORDINANCE 20210622-700, ADOPTING A TWO PERCENT BASED IN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AND I'M GOING LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> I'LL SECOND. >> A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT MOTION? >> THAT'S GOOD. >> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. [NOISE] WITH THAT, THE MOTION CARRIES. HEY, WE'VE GOT YOU OUT OF HERE AFTER 9 O'CLOCK. YOU'RE NOT [OVERLAPPING] >> I'D APPRECIATE I'M TO BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME TO STICK AROUND. [LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE AT HOME, STAY HERE. >> YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY. >> MOVING RIGHT ALONG NUMBER 8: DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON [8. Discussion and possible action on the Water and Wastewater Financial Plan.] THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FINANCIAL PLAN. CHRIS. >> I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE ANOTHER EXPERT, AND I'M GOOD TO BRING AN EXPERTS TO THE MEETING. THIS IS THE ITEM THAT WE'VE APPROVED ON MARCH THE 9TH TO HIRE NEWGEN TO DO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FINANCIAL PLAN OR REPLAN. THAT WAS TASK NUMBER 1 THAT WE APPROVED THAT NIGHT. THE MAJORITY OF THAT WORK'S BEING DONE. THEY'RE HERE TO PRESENT THE RESULTS, SO I'M GOING TO LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND DO THE PRESENTATION. >> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU, CHRIS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MATTHEW GARRETT, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF WATER AND WASTEWATER PRACTICE FOR NEWGEN STRATEGIES & SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU AGAIN. I KNOW LAST TIME WAS AUDIO-ONLY, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN SPOTTY, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN DISTORTED, AND I WAS ON THE ROAD, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO JOIN YOU BY THAT MEDIUM. WITH ME IS MEGAN KIRKLAND. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HER IN A SECOND, AND THEN I HAVE A CLICKER IN HAND. [BACKGROUND] FANTASTIC. [LAUGHTER]. >> YOU HAVE TO STAND ON YOUR HEAD AND JUMP TWO TIMES JUST TO GET THE CLICKER TO GO. >> IS THAT RIGHT? [LAUGHTER]. >> THAT'S NORMALLY HOW IT WORKS. >> OKAY. THERE IT IS. >> I WAS GOING OFF FOR ANOTHER 10 MINUTE BREAK. [LAUGHTER]. >> WELL, AGAIN, THIS IS A DRAFT FINANCIAL PLAN. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT AMONG THOSE THINGS THAT ARE BAKED INTO THIS, OUR BUDGET THAT YOU GET TO APPROVE. A LOT OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. I DON'T MEAN TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO SHARE, BUT TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. IT IS ALL RELATIVE AND WE ARE GOING TO BE SEEKING YOUR INPUT ON SOME KEY TENANTS THAT WOULD BE BAKED INTO THIS, IF YOU WILL, AT YOUR DISCUSSION. [NOISE] WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME INTRODUCTIONS, WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR ANALYSIS NOT TOO DEEP IN THE WEEDS [02:50:01] ON THE MECHANICS OR THE METHODOLOGY, BUT I'D RATHER YOU HAVE SOME FUNDAMENTAL UNDERSTANDING BEFORE WE START GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT IS IN AND WHAT IS NOT IN OUR ANALYSIS. ALSO, WE HAVE SOME FUNDING SCENARIOS. WE HAVE FOUR WITH SOME RATE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU. THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME COMPARISONS FOR YOU AND YOUR REGIONAL PARTNERS OR COMPETITORS AS IT WERE. AGAIN, I WILL GIVE YOU THE COMMERCIAL, BUT WE ARE A NATIONAL FIRM. WE'VE DONE THIS FOR AWHILE. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS, WHETHER AS A FINITE STRUCTURE FOR COMMUNITY OR IN A CONSULTING ROLE AS I'M IN NOW. [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE HER JOINS US. SHE COMES AGAIN, VERY LUCKY WITH OUR PETROLEUM ENGINEERING DEGREE. SHE COULD LAND SOMETHING ON THE MOON, YET SHE DOES RATES FOR YOU, SO YOU'RE VERY LUCKY AND I'M LUCKY TO HAVE HER. SHE ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE YOUR PRIMARY IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, SHOULD YOU BRING US BACK. MEGAN HAS MOVED TO HOUSTON AND IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD WHILE I'M STILL IN DALLAS FOR OR TO HELP LEAD THIS EFFORT, SO YOU'LL BE SEEING MORE OF HER. ALL RIGHT, SO YOUR ROLE, NOW YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, I GUESS, DIFFERENT GOVERNING BODIES THAT REPORT UP RELATIVE TO YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING. HERE I WANTED YOU TO TAKE YOUR CITY COUNCIL HAD OFF FOR A SECOND. THINK, I AM A BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR A UTILITY. BY PRINCIPLE, THE ENTERPRISE FUND SHOULD OPERATE AT LEAST AS BREAK-EVEN. WE'RE NOT A FOR PROFIT ENTITY AND INVESTOR-OWNED UTILITY IN YOUR SHOES WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A RATE OF RETURN. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT ALL THE SAME. IT SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF. THAT'S A NORMATIVE STATEMENT. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE YOUR POSITION, BUT THAT'S A NORMAL THING FOR CITIES TO DO. ALL RIGHT, SO REAL QUICK, WE HAVE TO SEGREGATE THIS CONCEPT OF A BUDGET, YOUR EXPENSES OR EXPENDITURE BUDGET FROM WHAT WE CALL A REVENUE REQUIREMENT. THINGS THAT ARE BAKED INTO THAT. YOU SEE THE LITTLE FUNNEL, YOU'VE GOT YOUR RESERVES, YOU GOT PAY THE BILLS, AND WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT OUR FUN POLICIES. WE PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR OPERATING EXPENSES, THE CAPITAL PLAN DOWN THE ROAD. WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS WORK NOT ONLY FOR THE METRICS BUT ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS. BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE THAT DAUNTING TASK OF MANAGING A BUSINESS AND SUPPORTING AND PUBLIC GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO AGAIN, TO SEGREGATE EXPENSES, RIGHT NOW IN THE FISCAL YEAR 21 BUDGET, YOU HAVE ABOUT $7.5 MILLION OF EXPENSES. THAT SAID THE NET REVENUE REQUIREMENT IS ACTUALLY $7.1. THAT'S BECAUSE WE LOOK AT THE OTHER REVENUES. AGAIN, THINGS OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE, THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT REVIEWING, YOUR CAR FEES, YOUR TAP FEES. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN FORECASTING PENALTIES. WE TAKE SOME OF THOSE OTHER REVENUES OUT. I WANT TO SOLVE FOR A VERY SIMPLE EQUATION, WHICH IS TWO VARIABLES OR A 100 VARIABLES DEPENDING WHO YOU ASK ABOUT IT, RELATIVE TO THE RATES THAT YOUR USERS PAY BASED ON USAGE. YOU SEE WE SPLIT THAT UP AS WE LOOKED AT YOUR BUDGET AND THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR. SOME PRETTY SIMPLE SPLITS OF STAFF BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PRETTY SMALL STAFF. EVERYBODY I'VE HEARD OF IS DOING DOUBLE DUTY. THERE'S A PRETTY EVEN SPLIT BETWEEN WATER AND WASTEWATER THAT SAID YOU HAVE ABOUT 3.8 MILLION AND EXPENSES IN THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT FOR WATER AND 3.2 IN WASTEWATER. THAT'S WHERE YOU STAND NOW, IN ADDITION TO THE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE THERE IN THIS LAST YEAR, SHOULD GO BACK. ONE THING THAT YOU DON'T SEE HERE, I SHOULD POINT OUT, THERE ARE SEVERAL METHODS THAT WE EMPLOY IS RIGHT ANALYSTS RELATIVE TO SETTING RATES. ONE OF THOSE IS A UTILITY BASIS, WHICH WOULD LOOK AT A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS INCLUDING DEPRECIATION. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH YOU AS A CASH NEEDS APPROACH. THEN ONE REASON THAT MATTERS IS WE HAVE PURPOSELY EXCLUDED DEPRECIATION IN 20 I BELIEVE THAT WAS ABOUT A MILLION AND ONE. I'M SURE IT WILL BE MORE AS YOU ADD ASSETS. THEN THE OTHER THING THAT CASH NEEDS DOES IS IT ACTUALLY LOOKS AT PAYING YOUR DEBT SERVICE. IT TRIES TO MATCH UP GENERALLY THE WAY YOU BUDGET WITH THE WAY WE SET RATES. WITH THAT DISTINCTION MADE, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO MEGAN TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR KEY ISSUES GOING FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING. SOME OF THESE THE KEY ISSUES THAT WE REALLY ARE DRIVING THE RATES. THE FIRST ONE IS OUR GROWTH. OVER THIS FOR OUR FORECAST YEARS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT THREE THOUSAND NEW CONNECTIONS. THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR CAPITAL, WHICH WE IDENTIFIED ABOUT $21.5 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THEN ALSO WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME INTER FUND TRANSFERS AND COST-SHARING THAT WE'LL GET INTO IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. FIRST YOU'RE JUST A GRAPH ON YOUR GROWTH ENDS. WE HAVE THE BLUISH IS THE STEADY HERE, THAT NUMBER OF LARGER UNITS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. THE ORANGE IS THE GROWTH INTO THAT IS CUMULATIVE, SHOWING THAT YOU GET UP TO ABOUT 750 RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE THE OTHER ADDITIONAL 250 IS IN 2001. WE'RE GOING FROM ABOUT 7112, [02:55:03] ALMOST 9900 UNITS OVER THE FORECAST. HERE'S JUST A LIST OF THE CIP PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AND WE HAVE SOME OF YOUR REGULAR KIND OF MAINTENANCE REPAIR ON PLACEMENT AT THE TOP. THEN WE GO INTO SOME OF OUR NEW DEBT TYPE PROJECTS. AS WE POINT OUT, ARE THE BOTTOM TWO PROJECTS, THE SHENANGO WATER PLANT AND THE OYSTER CREEK. THOSE ARE TWO OF OUR PROJECTS THAT ARE ONLY INCLUDED IN OUR FULL CAPITAL SCENARIOS, WHICH WE'LL GET TO MORE IN OUR LATER SLIDES. BUT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND POINT THOSE OUT SO YOU KNOW WHICH ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE GET THERE. NEXT WE HAVE OUR INTER FUND TRANSFERS IN OUR COST-SHARING. FIRST WE HAVE FRANCHISE FEES, WHICH IF YOU'RE A UTILITY NOT CONNECTED TO A CITY OR MUNICIPALITY, YOU WOULD BE PAYING FRANCHISE FEES FOR PULLING ELECTRICITY, GAS, THEY ALL PAY FRANCHISE FEES. THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 5 PERCENT OF YOUR RATE REVENUES THAT PRESENTED WITH THEN GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. WITH YOUR CURRENT RATES IN YOUR FIRM, THAT'S ABOUT 330,000. IN ADDITION, WE ALSO HAVE OUR GENERAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. THIS INCLUDES HR, FINANCE, ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF FUNCTIONS AND FAIR IN YOUR GENERAL FUND THAT ARE HELPING SUPPORT THE ENTERPRISE BUG. BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU WERE JUST A STANDALONE UTILITY, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE HR AND FINANCE TO HELP YOU OUT. ANNUALLY THAT BE ABOUT ANOTHER 700,000 TO THE GENERAL FUND. BY IN CONTRAST, SINCE WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING OUR SHARE TO THE GENERAL FUND, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE CITY PAY FOR THEIR OWN WATER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR WATER AT THIS POINT. THAT'S ABOUT 33 MILLION GALLONS ANNUALLY. HERE I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL A LOOK AT THE BILLING DETERMINANTS THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS AS OF FEBRUARY 2021 FOR OUR BILLING UNITS AND THIS IS ALSO IN UNITS. THE KEY TAKEAWAYS ON MULTI UNIT THAT'S IN UNITS WERE THRUST OR CONNECTIONS. THEN WE ALSO SHOW OUR AVERAGE CONSUMPTION AND AVERAGE FLOW. THAT'S ON A PER UNIT BASIS PER MONTH. JUST A LITTLE GRAPH TO SHOW HOW WE GET TO OUR AVERAGE CONSUMPTION IS WE LOOK AT YOUR WEATHER NORMAL. WE LOOKED AT THE PAST 30 YEARS AND SEE WHAT PER MONTH WAS THE AVERAGE RAINFALL? THEN OF THE BILLING DATA WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE THEN GO AND GRAB THE CLOSEST TO NORMAL ONES. BECAUSE SO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF RAINFALL AND THOSE LOWER REVENUE YEARS AND THEN ALSO THE HIRING FALL AND THE LOW REVENUES AND LOWER FOR THE HYDRONIUM. THE HIGHLIGHTED ONES ARE THE MONTHS THAT WE HAVE SELECTED. [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS A CUMULATIVE FREQUENCY DISTRIBUTION CHART. THIS IS OUR RESIDENTIAL INSIDE AND THIS IS ON AVERAGE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT COLOR CODINGS ARE THE DIFFERENT BLOCKS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. FOR EXAMPLE, 87 PERCENT OF YOUR CUSTOMERS GET UP TO AT LEAST 2,000 GALLONS A MONTH AND THIS IS AS THEY GO THROUGH. YOU CAN SEE THAT NUMBER DROPS OFF AND BY 10,000, ONLY ABOUT EIGHT PERCENT OF YOUR CUSTOMERS GET UP TO 10,000. AS A DIFFERENT [NOISE] VIEWPOINT, WE ALSO HAVE OUR RESIDENTIAL TIER BREAKDOWN. THIS IS STILL BY THE SAME TIERS. THIS JUST SHOWS WHERE PEOPLE STOP. YOU CAN SEE MAJORITY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS STOP IN THAT SECOND TIER FOR 2-10,000 GALLONS. THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN YOUR SUMMER MONTHS WHEN YOU EXPECT WE HAVE HIGHER USAGE. IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSELY, YOU CAN SEE JUST A LITTLE YELLOW LINE TO SHOW THEY GET UP IN THE HIGHER TIERS. >> WE HAD A FEW DATA POINTS ON THERE. IF YOU GO BACK, IT WAS AT AUGUST. FOR ILLUSTRATION SAKE, IF YOU LOOK AT AUGUST, WE HAVE SOME OF OUR HIGHER CONSUMPTION IN THE HIGHER TIERS AND I THINK MEGAN POINTED OUT WE HAD ONE PERCENT IN THE TOP TWO, THAT BEING THE BLUE AND YELLOW TOP TIERS. IN AUGUST, ABOUT ONE PERCENT REPRESENTED THERE IN YOUR PEAK MONTH, AND THEN 10 PERCENT YET AGAIN, IF YOU INCLUDE THE THIRD TIER DOWN OR YOUR THIRD FROM HIGHEST HERE. EVEN WHEN WE HAVE MAXIMUM WATER USAGE, WE HAVE A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE GROUP. AS A FINANCE DIRECTOR IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAD 13,000 GALLONS AVERAGE PER RESIDENT, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD'VE BEEN SHOOTING FOR WITH MY RATE DESIGN WHEN I PUT IN PREMIUMS ON PRICE AS THE TIERS GO UP. IT SEEMS THAT YOUR PRICE SIGNAL WAS PRETTY STRONG ALREADY AND YOUR POPULATION DOESN'T APPEAR TO OVER WATER ON AVERAGE. I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE SHOOTING FOR GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY, CONSERVATION EFFORT, WHETHER THAT'S COMPLIANCE OR YOUR OWN INITIATIVE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING AS CLOSE AS ANY OF THE CLIENTS I'VE SEEN THIS YEAR. AT THE SAME TIME, YOUR BOARD OF DIRECTOR IS SELLING WATER. IT'S SORT OF A COIN TOSS. WHICH SIDE OF GREEN DO YOU WANT TO BE? THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD POINT OUT BEFORE YOU SIT OVER. [03:00:03] >> YOU DON'T GO BACK 10 YEARS AGO. 2011 [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE]. >> HERE WE JUST HAVE YOUR CURRENT RATIO. JUST WE ALWAYS LIKE TO SHOW THESE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MY OWN WATER RATES WHERE I LIVED MEMORIZE, SO WE JUST LIKE TO SHOW THEM TO YOU AS A REFRESHER. YOU REALLY HAVE YOUR FOUR MAIN CLASSES HERE. CURRENTLY THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. AND ALSO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN YOUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ON YOUR WASTE-WATER. ALSO, JUST ONE THING TO KNOW IS IN YOUR RATES FOR YOUR ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE YOUR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE IN IMPACT AREAS DO HAVE A SLIGHTLY LOWER MINIMUM CHARGE. WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT BACK TO MATTHEW TO TALK ABOUT PERSON AREAS. [NOISE] >> THAT'S WHY SHE'S GOING TO BE HERE NEXT TIME AND NOT ME, SO YOU'LL BE THANKFUL FOR THAT. ONE THING WE DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH ON WHEN WE TAKE THOSE WEATHER NORMAL AND WE LOOK AT THAT 30 YEAR PRECIPITATION, THE METEOROLOGISTS DOESN'T REPORT ON CNBC, SO THERE'S ECONOMIC FACTORS AT PLAY THAT PRECIPITATION DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. WE'D LIKE TO THINK THE NEXUS BETWEEN PRECIPITATION AND WATER USAGE ARE DIRECTLY CORRELATED. IT'S REALLY HARD TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT WITH COVID, THE PANDEMIC, AND MAYBE A HURRICANE OR TWO IN OUR RECENT PAST. I WANT TO PURPORT NOT THAT WE ARE EXACT, BUT THAT WE ARE GIVING YOU THE BEST ESTIMATE WE CAN. IF THERE WAS A THERE WAS A LINE IN THE CENTER OF THE ROAD, THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO STRADDLE. NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OR LESS AND WE'LL RE-CALIBRATE. WE'LL LOOK AT THE NEW HOMES, WE'LL LOOK AT THE LOT SIZES, WE'LL LOOK AT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. AS A COMMUNITY, WE'RE EXPECTING A LOT OF GROWTH. I EXPECT THE NEW SOD TO COME IN AND TO GET TOO MUCH WATER INITIALLY. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT GET MUCH WATERING. IT REALLY IS A MIX. WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT WITH YOU OVER TIME, BUT THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS BASED ON THE STAFF FEEDBACK AND THEY'VE BEEN GREAT IN PROVIDING THAT DETAIL. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. FOUR SCENARIOS. I HAVE TO LAY THIS OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO SCENARIOS, SO WE HAVE TWO LABELS. THOSE TWO SCENARIOS AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE ALREADY READ IT SINCE I'M TAKING SO LONG TO GET THERE. THE SCENARIO ONE IS A BASE CAPITAL SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE NOT FUNDED CHENANGO AND WE HAVE NOT FUNDED OYSTER CREEK FULLY. WHILE YOU HAD SOME MONEY IN THE RECENT BOND, A MILLION OR SO FOR OYSTER CREEK IMPROVEMENTS, MAYBE I SHOULD ASK JEFF, YOU HAD SOMETHING THERE. THE FULL FUNDING OF THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FULL CAPITAL MODEL IN TWO. WHEN YOU SEE A TWO PRIOR TO AN A OR B, THAT WOULD NOT INCLUDE CHENANGO OR THE OYSTER CREEK THAT MEGAN SHOWED YOU EARLIER. YES, SIR. >> I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF ANGLETON FOR WATER AND WASTE-WATER AND WE DIDN'T TACKLE THE WHOLE BIG ISSUE ABOUT OUR FILLING SEWER LINES. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT BASIC BLOCKING AND TACKLING, NOT THE FUTURE OF ANGLETON. WE TASKED HCR TO DO THIS ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO FIX ALL OUR SEWER LINES. WE DIDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE HADN'T BEEN DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL YET ON WHERE WE WANT TO GO. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST BASIC DOING BUSINESS. >> GOOD TO KNOW. AGAIN, WHEN WE GET TO THESE SCENARIOS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT TO CONTINUE ON, THE OPTIONS ARE FOUR OF THOSE TRANSFERS THAT MEGAN ALLUDED TO. IN EACH OF THE SCENARIOS, FACT CHECK, WE'VE INCLUDED WATER THAT'S BEING PAID BY THE CITY IN ALL OF OUR SCENARIOS, AND THAT EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY 200,000 A YEAR. THAT'S A CONSTANT. THAT DOESN'T FLUCTUATE. WHAT DOES FLUCTUATE IS THE EXPENSE, IF YOU WILL, AND THE REPAYMENT OF THE UTILITY BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND FOR ITS SERVICES AS STREET RENTAL RIGHT OF WAY, THE FRANCHISE, AND THEN ALSO FOR THE GNA, ADMINISTRATIVE, YOUR OVERSIGHT, ETC. THOSE THINGS FLUCTUATE IN OPTIONS A AND B. WHERE A WOULD FULLY TRANSFER THAT STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR '22 AT FIVE PERCENT, EFFECTIVELY FULL TILL. B IS A PHASE IN, NOT MUCH UNLIKE YOUR PROPERTY TAX DECISION RECENTLY, WHICH IS ONE PER CENT PER YEAR AS WE GET UP TO FIVE PERCENT OVER THIS FIVE-YEAR HORIZON. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME RATE VARIATION. ALSO SOME OTHER CHANGES. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A RATE DIFFERENTIAL IN WASTEWATER FOR COMMERCIAL BUT NOT IN WATER. WE MADE THAT HOLE IN OUR OPINION. WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, AND SO WE SAID LET'S MAKE IT 15 PER CENT FOR BOTH. THAT'S BAKED INTO BOTH SCENARIOS. THAT'S NOT A GIVEN. THAT'S JUST ONE OF OUR ASSUMPTIONS RIGHT NOW. CITY PAYING FOR WATERS AND ASSUMPTION, AND THEN THIS TWO DOLLAR DIFFERENTIAL IS SOMETHING THAT OUR ULTIMATE RATE AND YOUR ULTIMATE ADOPTED RATES SHOULD CONTINUE TO INCLUDE. [03:05:02] TALKS A LOT ABOUT THAT, NOW I'M JUST GOING TO THROW A CHART AT YOU. BUT BASICALLY THESE ARE THE PROJECTED REVENUE REQUIREMENTS. REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT INPUTS TO OUR REVENUE REQUIREMENT WITH THE DELTA. AS A RESULT, YOU SEE SOME CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE 1B SCENARIO AND THE 2B SCENARIO AND THE 1A AND 2A SCENARIO, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THAT SECONDARY CAPITAL, THE CHENANGO AND OYSTER CREEK, AREN'T GOING TO KICK IN, UNTIL YOU GET INTO THE OUT YEARS. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT OVERLAP ON THAT DECISION POINT. BUT BASICALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THE CURRENT REVENUES WITH CURRENT RATES ARE ONLY SLOTTED OR ANTICIPATED TO ACHIEVE THAT GREEN BAR. I DON'T SHOW A 1A, B, 2A OR 2B WHERE YOUR CURRENT RATES ARE SUFFICIENT. I THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE DOING THIS. BUT THAT SHOWS YOU THE MARGIN WIDENING DEPENDING ON YOUR CHOICE. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE BAKING INTO IT? FUNDAMENTALLY, FRANCHISE FEES OR FUNDAMENTALS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. [INAUDIBLE] IT IS 9.39. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHY? WHAT'S THE COMMON TREND OF DOING THAT WHERE YOU'RE CHARGING BACK THE CITY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND PAYING FOR ITS OWN WATER? I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THIS AS AN ENTERPRISE AND AS BASICALLY A STAND ALONE, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN THE COMMON TREND HERE. WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT TRYING TO MOVE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND? [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, FIRST WOULD BE INDUSTRY STANDARD. THAT'S THE SAFETY NET I'VE GOT. THAT'S EASY. THE SECOND WOULD BE YOU HAVE SOME PRESSURES ON YOUR GENERAL FUND. THE UTILITY IS GETTING A FREE RIDE COMPARED TO MANY IN YOUR NOT JUST SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, STATEWIDE. I'VE DONE FRANCHISE FEE SURVEYS, I'VE DONE SOME PRETTY DETAILED REVIEWS IN OPERATIONS STUDIES, AND I'VE SEEN THEM AT 16 PERCENT. >> WHERE'S THAT? LEFT POCKET, RIGHT POCKET? >> WELL, NO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT RATE PAYERS. GENERAL FUND BEING PROPPED UP PRIMARILY BY PROPERTY AND SALES TAX. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT EXPENSE TYPES, TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY VALUES. WE'RE ALREADY DISPARATE IN SOME REGARD IN THAT REVENUE STREAM, BUT ALL THE MORE UTILITY, IS THEY CAN PAY FOR WHAT YOU USE ENVIRONMENT. IT'S A STRICT RATE. THIS IS THE ONE OPPORTUNITY WE GET TO RIGHT THE SHIP, IF YOU WILL. IF YOUR BILL IS $200 AND YOU'RE NOT PAYING 10 FOR THE RIGHT OF AWAY, THAT UTILITY GETTING THAT SERVICE TO YOU, THEN THE GENERAL FUND IS PAYING FOR IT. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE RELATIVE OR THE RATIONAL NEXUS MAY NOT EXIST BETWEEN THAT AND YOUR PROPERTY VALUE THAT'S PAYING. [OVERLAPPING]. >> THE FIXED COST IS ALREADY BAKED IN ON YOUR ADMINISTRATION. WHETHER YOU OPERATE THAT WATERFRONT OR NOT, YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME FIXED COST OF YOUR GNA. >> WE'VE HELPED PRIVATIZE UTILITIES, IN WHICH CASE WE'D SELL IT TO AN IOU. THEY FACTOR A RATE OF RETURN IN, AND THEN THE GENERAL FUND WOULD CONTINUE TO GET A FRANCHISE FEE BECAUSE YOU HAVE UTILITY OPERATING. THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S A QUICK FIX. THIS IS A NORM. THIS IS A RECOGNITION THAT THE GENERAL FUND HASN'T BEEN PAYING FOR WATER, WHICH PROBABLY MAKES IT LESS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT GOES ON THE PARK. THERE'S THE OTHER IDEA THAT YOU CAN CAPTURE A REVENUE STREAM FROM THOSE WHO BENEFIT FROM IT STRICTLY IN A USER FEE IN YOUR WATER RATES, WHICH COULD PAY FOR ITS USE OF YOUR STREETS, OR THE STREET RENTAL JUST LIKE YOUR OTHER FRANCHISES. THAT IS CERTAINLY AT THE DISCRETION OF YOU AS THE COUNCIL AND AT THAT [INAUDIBLE] AND NOT FOR ME, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'VE PUT IN AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS. WE CAN CERTAINLY BACK IT DOWN TO ZERO AND NOT DO IT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION TO SHOW YOU HERE TONIGHT. WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO [INAUDIBLE] CRUX OF THE NEXT STEP WILL RELATE TO YOUR DECISION ON SOME OF THOSE KEY ELEMENTS FOR THE NEXT SCENARIO. BUT JUST PUSHING THROUGH, THIS IS AN ULTIMATE LOOK AT YOUR DAYS CASH ON HAND. ONE OF OUR KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS OF A SUCCESSFUL RATE THAT ACHIEVES WHAT YOU AS A COUNCIL HAVE SAID AS A REQUIREMENT WOULD BE TO LIVE UP TO YOUR BOND COVENANTS WITH A DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE AND TO ACHIEVE A DAY'S OPERATING BECAUSE IF WE'RE OPERATING A BUSINESS, WE DON'T WANT TO RUN A DEPOSIT. PRETTY SIMPLE. NINETY MAYBE LOW GIVEN YOUR AREA OF TEXAS. >> SO FAR, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY. >> EXACTLY. HERE'S WHAT THAT DOES. NOW, THE 5,000 GALLON IS APPROXIMATELY YOUR AVERAGE, 500 GALLONS MORE. BUT FOR THE AVERAGE RESIDENT, THIS IS WHAT THE IMPACT OF YOUR DECISIONS TO FUND AND THEN SET RATES EQUAL TO WHAT WE'VE SET UP IN THESE DRAFTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. I DON'T WANT TO READ THEM ALL TO YOU, BUT YOU DO SEE A RANGE THERE FROM 69-78 NEXT YEAR, [03:10:05] AND THAT'S A CHANGE FROM 63. THIS IS A MONTHLY VALUE, THIS IS AN AVERAGE. THOSE WITH MORE WATER WOULD PAY MORE, THOSE WITH LESS, LESS. THEN YOU SEE THOSE AREAS OF CONGRUENCY, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THEY ARE THE SAME. THAT'S BECAUSE OUR DEBT SERVICE DOESN'T DIFFER BETWEEN OUR TWO OPTIONS UNTIL THOSE LARGER PROJECTS KICKOFF IN THIS FIVE-YEAR HORIZON. [INAUDIBLE] WITH LINES DOESN'T REALLY BRING IT BACK DOWN TO BRASS TAX AND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO THINK, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'RE KEYING INTO THOSE NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM. I DON'T WANT TO DWELL HERE, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK RELATIVE TO EVEN THE YEAR-OVER-YEAR INCREASE OR ANY OF THE ITEMS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'D WANT TO IMMEDIATELY LEAVE ON THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR? >>DO ANY PWA CHARGES COME IN HERE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING? ARE YOU BUILDING ANY INCREASES FROM PWA AND MAYBE THREE OR FOUR PERCENT ANNUALLY? >> ABSOLUTELY. GO FOR IT. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $0.08 NEXT YEAR, I BELIEVE, GOING FROM 328 TO 336. FACT CHECK. OKAY. GOOD. SHE'S SMARTER THAN ME, I MUST CHECK. BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT. THEN THE OPPORTUNITIES, I BELIEVE, AS YOU HAVE A GROWING COMMUNITY, I HAVE PRESSURE WITH ALL MY COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE WITH WATER SUPPLY. THAT, MAYOR, MAY NOT BE INCLUDED HERE EITHER AS YOU CONTEMPLATE ADDITIONAL SOURCE WATER TO MEET THE GROWING DEMANDS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NOT COVERED AND I'M NOT SPECULATING THAT IT'S NOT BY JEFF, BUT ULTIMATELY IN THIS 10-YEAR WINDOW WITH THE GROWTH YOU'RE PROJECTING, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER NEEDS IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER WELLS ARE GETTING TREATED AND BROUGHT BACK ONLINE, ETC. >> IF WE'RE ADDING SO MANY HOUSES, MORE HOUSES THAT COME ON THE GROUND. WE HAVE A PLAN, 2,000 HOMES, DO YOU THINK THAT THE FIXED COSTS WOULD STAY WITHIN A CERTAIN REALM THAT THE VARIABLE COST IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE AND THAT WOULD BE OFFSET BY THE INCREASE OF 2,000 HOMES, SO THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY PUSH THE RIGHT DOWN? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A REALLY COMMON THOUGHT OF SOME OF US IS MORE HOUSES, THE CHEAPER THE RATE BECAUSE THE FIXED COST IS THERE. NOW PWA, WE HAVE THAT FIXED COSTS RIGHT NOW. >> YES, SIR. IT'S HIGHLY VARIABLE, BUT YOU EXPECT TO HAVE THE CONSUMPTION. BUT THE FIXED CHARGE TO YOUR RESIDENTS, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT. THAT IS ANOTHER DECISION AND I HAVE CLIENTS THAT HOLD PRETTY FAST TO 75 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL REVENUE. WE CAN MAKE IT AS COMPLEX AS YOU LIKE OR WE CAN SAY SIMPLY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACHIEVE A 30-40 PERCENT REVENUE RECOVERY IN OUR MINIMUM RATES. OUT IN CALIFORNIA, THEY'VE SAID THIS, NOT THAT YOU NEED TO DO THIS, BUT BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET 100 PERCENT OF YOUR FIXED COST AND UTILITY FROM FIXED CHARGES, IT'S JUST UNREASONABLE. THE PEOPLE WITH PRACTICALLY NO WATER USAGE ARE GOING TO PAY 120 A MONTH. IT'S JUST LUDICROUS, THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO IT. IT'S ACTUALLY BY STATUTE ENFORCED IN CALIFORNIA SUCH THAT THEY CAN'T COLLECT MORE THAN 30-40. THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S A BASELINE THAT WE LOOK AT THAT MAKES SENSE. WE'LL GET TO SOME COMPARISONS HERE IN A MINUTE THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME MORE GROUND FOR THOSE DECISIONS, BUT ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY IN NORTH TEXAS AND THEY ANTICIPATED NINE PERCENT GROWTH. I WAS CONSERVATIVE IN THEIR FIRST YEAR AND THEY'VE HIT IT OR EXCEEDED IT. GREAT, THEY PROVED ME WRONG. BUT I WAS ALSO IN PROSPER THAT HAD NINE PERCENT GROWTH AND THEN THE RECESSION HIT. THEN THE MESSAGE WAS, DON'T BUY THE YACHT THIS YEAR, GUYS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMING. YET WE PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND YET THE FIELD OF DREAMS IS OUT THERE. I WOULD RATHER CHRIS COME BACK AND SAY, WE MADE A LITTLE TOO MUCH MONEY, MATTHEW. I'M LIKE, GREAT. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IN THE RED BECAUSE OF ME, I'VE DONE YOU A DISSERVICE. WE'D LIKE TO BE CONSERVATIVE, BUT NOT SO MUCH THAT WE STRADDLE NEXT YEAR'S RATE PAYERS WITH MORE THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE TO. >> SURE. >> AGAIN, COMMUNITIES DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY. YOUR WATER, IT'S NOT THEIR WATER. YOUR LINE, YOUR SYSTEM. APPLES AND ORANGES. THERE'S MY DISCLAIMER. THEY AREN'T THE SAME, THEY CAN'T BE THE SAME. HOWEVER, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PURPORT THAT THEY'RE THE SAME BECAUSE YOU'RE LOW. I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE RELATIVELY LOW IN YOUR COMPARISON GROUP HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE 2,000 GALLONS INCLUDED. BUT BY AND LARGE AND I THINK HANDS DOWN AT YOUR WASTEWATER RATE, THAT CONTINUES TO LAG YOUR COST. WHEN WE SPELL OUT EVEN THE PROPOSED SCENARIOS WHICH SOUNDED LARGE FOR A TOTAL CHANGE, YOU'RE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK, AND THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE YET TO INCREASE RATES POTENTIALLY FOR FISCAL YEAR '22 THEMSELVES. [NOISE] >> THE ISSUE THOUGH IS ANGLETON INCLUDE LAKE JACKSON, ALL SERVICE ON THE WATER SIDE FROM PWA AND BRAZORIA AND RICHWOOD TOO, [03:15:06] BUT THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER IN THAT ASPECT. WE ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST ONES OF THE THREE THERE. I WISH FREEPORT WAS ON THERE SO WE CAN SEE THAT ONE AS WELL. WE HAVE OUR OWN WELL SYSTEM PLUS WE RELY ON PWA, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGHER FIXED COST, AND SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE ALL THAT. >> CERTAINLY. WE HAVE COMMUNITIES, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING WHAT THESE INDIVIDUAL CITIES ARE DOING. I'VE SEEN COMMUNITY SUBSIDIZE WATER NEEDS WITH TAXES. AGAIN, THE REVENUE MIX IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I'VE GOT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BUILT OUT AND NOW TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND I SAY IT'S TOO LATE. I'VE GOT COMMUNITY IS LIKE YOURSELF THAT HAVE AN IMPACT FEE. WHEN THAT GROWTH OCCURS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER REVENUE STREAM. THE OTHER CITIES ON THIS LIST, MAYOR, MAY NOT. THOSE THAT ARE BEHIND ON A SECONDARY SOURCE HAVE TO MAKE THE FULL BILL UP WITH RATES. WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU. I CAN PROBABLY DO SOME BENCHMARKING TO THEIR FRANCHISE FEES. I CAN TELL YOU IF ANY OPERATING ELECTRIC UTILITY, WE DO A LOT IN THAT SPACE WHERE YOU HAVE A MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC UTILITY AS CASH COW, AND IT'S PAYING QUITE A BIT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND ALMOST 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME. IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CUSTOMER, THEIR RATES COULD BE LOWER ON THIS COMPARISON BECAUSE IT'S 2,000 GALLONS. IF YOU'RE IN AUSTIN AND FIXED INCOME, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER RATES THAN ANYBODY HERE BECAUSE IT'S SUBSIDIZED BY PAYERS THAT DON'T MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS. AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT APPLES AND ORANGES TO SHARE, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE SOME SIDE-BY-SIDE A MATRIX, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT OUR COMMONALITIES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY HANDLE THIS OR THAT, I CAN DO THAT. MORE SPECIFICALLY, MEGAN CAN DO THAT REALLY WELL. BUT I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD CONVERSATION PIECE. I DON'T WANT TO SKIP OVER COMMENTS ON 2,000. IF YOU HAD THEM, THE 5,000 IS YOUR AVERAGE CUSTOMER. YOU START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE UP WHEN WE START ADDING THE TWO A SCENARIOS. THOSE BEING THOSE FULL TRANSFERS NEXT YEAR. AGAIN, THESE ARE COMPARISONS OF WHAT THE FISCAL YEAR '22 RATE WOULD BE RELATIVE TO THE CURRENT RATES FOR YOUR COMPARE GROUP. THAT'S REALLY IT. WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME POLICY DIRECTIONS, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAST. WERE THERE OTHER COMMENTS ON COMPARISONS OR OTHER SLIDES? I KNOW IT'S LATE AND FORGIVE ME FOR BEING LONG-WINDED. >> NO, YOU'RE GOOD. >> OKAY. >> YOU ELIMINATED THE LATE FEES AND DISCONNECT FEES AND ALL THAT STUFF, YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING. >> EFFECTIVELY, THOSE ARE ASSUMED TO HOLD CONSTANT DESPITE YOUR GROWTH SO YOU MAY ACHIEVE A LITTLE MORE, BUT I'VE TAKEN THOSE OUT. WHEN I SOLVE FOR, I SOLVE FOR A NUMBER THAT'S YOUR EXPENSE LESS THOSE OFFSETS. >> RIGHT, BUT DOES IT ALSO GIVES YOU AN INDICATION OF THE LATE FEES, RECONNECT FEES THAT BY ADJUSTING A RATE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, MAYBE THAT HAS SOME CORRELATION TO HOW PAYERS ARE GOING TO PAY? THE HIGHER YOU GO, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LATE FEES. >> POTENTIALLY. IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AS A FINANCE DIRECTOR, WALKING UP TO THE FRONT COUNTER, MY LATE PAYERS WEREN'T FOR A LACK OF NEED AND PROSPER ANYWAYS, THEY WERE OFTEN FOR A LACK OF THOUGHT AND THOSE THAT ACTUALLY HAD THE NEED WERE VERY LOW USERS. WE HAD INDIGENT FOLKS AND WE HOOKED THEM UP WITH THE BAPTISTS, AND THE OTHER CHURCH, AND OTHER CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT MIGHT HELP THEM. MY EXPERIENCE WAS THE CORRELATION IS [BACKGROUND] REALLY NOT ON THE TOTAL PRICE. >> YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THE RATES, YOU SEE IT JUST ANOTHER [OVERLAPPING] CIRCUMSTANCES? >> IF YOU WANT TO TRANSFER THE RISK OF WHO OWES WHOM, AND YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THE WAY YOU HANDLE CONVENIENCE FEES, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ABSORB A COSTS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HELP YOUR RESIDENTS AND MAY OR MAY NOT PAY OFF [BACKGROUND] BECAUSE THOSE THAT PAY REGULARLY, MAY BE PAYING FOR THE MILES FOR SOMEONE ELSE. AGAIN, A LOT OF POLICY DECISIONS WHEN YOU RUN A BUSINESS LIKE THIS, WITH REVENUE COLLECTION AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT CAN HELP WITH THAT. I GO ON RECORD, I DON'T WANT TO BE INSENSITIVE TO ANYBODY'S INCOME. I KNOW WE HAVE FIXED INCOME COMMUNITY AND I KNOW SOME OUT THERE, THIS CHANGE COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL, SO I DON'T MEAN TO MINIMIZE THAT, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S THE TOTAL DOLLAR I NEED TO FUND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING. >> SURE. >> IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, AGAIN, LOOKING FOR POLICY DIRECTION AND I MAY PUNT TO STAFF HERE SO THEY CAN PROBE A LITTLE HARDER THAN I WILL. IF WE COME BACK TO YOU OR IF STAFF COMES BACK WITH A PROPOSED RATE AS A PART OF BUDGET, WHAT SHOULD BE BAKED INTO THAT BUDGET RELATIVE TO FRANCHISE FEES, [03:20:03] GENERAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSFERS? SHOULD THE GENERAL FUND PAY FOR WATER? DO WE WANT TO CONTEMPLATE AT RATE DESIGN THAT SMOOTHS OUT FUNDING CHENANGO AND OYSTER CREEK? DO WE WANT TO BACK-BURNER AND PUSH THEM OUT TO THE RIGHT FURTHER OUT INTO THE FUTURE? HEAVY QUESTIONS FOR LATE NIGHT, I'M SORRY. >> OH, NO, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, HIS JOB ARE NUMBERS, GUYS. HE'S AN ACCOUNTANT BY OCCUPATION, SO HE ALWAYS ASK ALL THE TECHNICAL, NUMBER CRUNCHING QUESTIONS. WE'LL JUST LISTEN. THE GUYS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL, BUT HE'S THE GUY THAT WE FOCUS ON THAT PART OF IT. >> OKAY, GREAT. >> BUT JUST MY QUICK QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOU'D BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE OF BUDGET, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE GET A RATE INCREASE? I KNOW WE GOT YOUR STAFF. >> PROPER MAY HAVE BEEN 2016 OTHER THAN YOUR ADJUSTMENTS FOR BRAZOSPORT, I DON'T WANT TO LIE, BUT CITY SECRETARY OR SOMEBODY COULD CHECK THAT INTIMATELY. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. >> ABOUT 2016? >> I BELIEVE SO. YOU'VE DONE ADJUSTMENTS ANNUALLY FOR BRAZOSPORT BUT CHRIS IS GOING TO CORRECT ME NOW. >> I THINK IT WAS 2016, BUT THE OTHER INCREASES EVERY YEAR HAVE BEEN FOR BWA. WE REALLY HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYTHING FOR THE CITY. THE CIVIL RIGHTS ARE BLANK FOR A LONG TIME. >> YEAH, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO IT. >> BECAUSE EITHER WAY, PROBABLY PEOPLE ONLINE LISTENING AND THEN I KNOW THAT IF YOU WATCH THE LOCAL NEWS, HOUSTON WAS REALLY GETTING BASHED RIGHT NOW FOR SOME WATER RATE INCREASE AND SO I KNOW THE WORD'S GOING TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY ONE WEEK BECAUSE WE BOUGHT THIS UP. WE JUST NEED TO HAVE SOME GOOD FACTS THAT GIVE TO THEM WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL RATE INCREASE. THANK YOU. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAD. >> MR. MAYOR, JUST SIMPLE ANSWER FOR THE PUBLIC IS OUR OUR BUSINESS IN WATER AND WASTEWATER WAS FAILING. OUR COSTS ARE INCREASING, OUR REPAIRS ARE INCREASING AND WE'RE DIGGING OURSELVES OUT OF THE HOLE TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS OR IMPROVEMENTS. >> GOT YOU. THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER. AGING INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS REPAIR, NEEDS MY HELP. >> WE'VE KNOWN THAT FOR A WHILE. >> YES, SIR. >> I CONTEND THAT YOU FIX SOME OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS. YOU START GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK. YOU STILL GOT WHAT YOU WANT TO TREAT GO INTO THE SEWER PLANT IS A SEWER, NOT THE RAIN WATER THAT COMES IN ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO TREAT IT. WHEN IT GETS IN THERE, YOU HAVE TO TREAT IT AND IT CUTS A COST WHEN YOU CAN REDUCE THE QUANTITY THAT GOES OUT THERE THAT REDUCE YOUR COST. THE AMOUNT OF TOWNS PEOPLE FLOWS TO COMMODE IS A SIGN, BUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT GETS TO THE SEWER PLANT IS EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER. THAT COST IS EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER. >> WELL, THAT DEPENDS IF THEY'RE WORKING FROM THE OFFICE OR NOT. >> [LAUGHTER] THAT'S WATER THAT YOU'RE DRINKING. >> I DID HEAR, STEPH, JEFF IN PARTICULAR, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT INI MAYBE MANHOLE COVER PROJECTS THAT COULD ASSIST WITH THAT, AND ALL ABOUT SMOKE TESTING, AND PARTS OF THE SYSTEM. BUT WATER LOSS IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. YOU WANT TO STAVE THAT OFF. YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY BLEEDING WHAT YOU COULD BE CHARGING FOR OR RETAINING AND NOT PUTTING BACK TO FILL THE PRESSURIZE YOUR SYSTEM. THE GOOD POINTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD THE BLEEDING IS THAT NEEDS TO BE STAUNCH THERE. I TRUST THERE'S A PROJECT OR 20 THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP. WE'D HAVE TO FUND IT. GOOD POINTS. >> I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO FIX, WE HAVE TO FIX IT. I'M NOT AGAINST THAT AND I'M NOT SAYING WE FIX IT ALL OVERNIGHT. I'M STILL NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DOING THE RIGHT FUND TRANSFER JUST YET BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT BEFORE IN OUR STREET FUND, AND WE TOOK A LOT OF TIMES TO GET OUT TO STOP BURDENING THE STREET FUND AND OTHER HALF CENT SALES TAX THAT WAS PANNING BURDEN WITH GNA AND SALARY, SO WE COULDN'T FIX ANY STREETS. I SEE IT. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING THE OTHER WAY. BUT THEN I SEE THAT CAUSING A LOT MORE HARDSHIP FOR THE FIXED INCOME PEOPLE BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON A SENIOR EXEMPTION OR WHEREVER ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX RATE, AND NOW THEY'RE MOVING TO A WATER BILL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TO FUND THIS PROPERTY TAX WAS DOING. I GUESS I'M GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME WITH THIS. I CAN'T GIVE YOU DIRECTION TONIGHT TO SAY YES, MOVE TO THE GENERAL FUND. I HAVE TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THAT. BUT I DO THINK IF WE HAVE TO MAKE A MODEST INCREASE IN THE WATER RATE, I HOPE WE WOULDN'T, [03:25:02] BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT BWA CONTINUES TO RAISE THEIR RATE EVERY YEAR, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CITIZENS ENABLES ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THESE RATE INCREASES THEY'VE BEEN SEEING HAVE BEEN PUSHED THROUGH FROM BWA. IT IS WHAT IT IS THIS POINT. >> MY ONLY HAD THOUGHT WAS TO DRAW THINGS OUT INTO THE FUTURE. >> WHAT WAS THAT, SIR? I'M SORRY. >> TO DRAW IT OUT. >> FIVE YEARS DOWN. THAT'S MY IDEA. [OVERLAPPING] IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO STEP UP SOME OF THOSE FIXTURES THAT MR. BOOTH IS INDICATING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS, THAT WON'T AFFECT IT RIGHT AS MUCH, IF WE WENT AHEAD AND ADDRESSED IT. MAYBE HELPFUL ANYWAY. >> I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS, STUFF THAT CAN BE BUDGETED IN OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND FIGURE OUT. THEN ONE OF THE BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT THROUGH THE FUND AND THEN HOW WE ADDRESS THAT. >> IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO PLAN TOO AS WE MOVE OUT TO THE FUTURE. THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THE THINGS THAT JOHN SAID, WHAT IS THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IN A NORMAL BUDGET CYCLE? WHAT IS IT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH SOME OTHER MEANS? >> WELL, THERE'S NOT, SO GETTING INTO BUDGET, WHATS THE RATE WE THINK? WHAT'S DOLLAR AMOUNT WE THINK FOR THE NEW REVENUE? >> IT'S ABOUT 500,000 THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. >> YOU MEAN THAT'S IT? >> IF WE RELIED ON GENERAL FUND. >> SAY THAT AGAIN, 500,000? >> YEAH, ABOUT 500,000. [OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE COST OF INSURANCE, WE HAVE COST OF HEALTHCARE, WE HAVE ALL THOSE. THEY'RE UP ABOUT 25 PERCENT. THAT'S ASSUMING WE REALLY DO NOTHING OR VERY LITTLE, GOING INTO NO NEW REVENUE RATE. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE WATER AND SEWER RATES, WE GOT TO PAY FOR BASED OFF THE GENERAL FUND. FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND'S NOT GOING TO BUY ANYTHING. >> NO, NOT ANYTHING. >> THE PROBLEM IS NONE OF THIS FIXES DRAINAGE, SEWER, OR ANYTHING. [NOISE] THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CHEAP, SO THEY'RE NOT LOW-HANGING FRUIT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> SOME OF THE LOW-HANGING THINGS LIKE WE TALK ABOUT WATER SUPPLY IS INCREASING THE BOOSTER PUMPS. WE CAN DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT REALLY BEYOND THAT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT NEW WELLS OR WHATEVER. WE DON'T HAVE THAT CASH ON HAND TO GO FUND THOSE THINGS. WE EITHER HAVE TO PAY THROUGH PROPERTY TAX OR WATER AND WASTEWATER. THAT'S GOING TO BE IF WE DO A BOND, AGAIN, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY THOSE BONDS BACK AS THROUGH SOME RATE INCREASE. >> BUT YOU ALSO HAVE DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU ARE ALREADY FUNDING THAT WILL BE FALLING OFF. >> CORRECT. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX EVERYTHING OVERNIGHT. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND ME. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO DO. >> IT'S GOING TO BE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS WHERE WE HAVE TO START STUDYING AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE GET THIS DONE. >> I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF DIRECTION AND HAVING A PLAN. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT SIT IN THESE SEATS WILL PROBABLY CHANGE OVER TIME, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN GIVE GUIDANCE ON WHERE WE'RE GOING AND SET PARAMETERS AND DATES TO GET THERE, THEN WE CAN START ALPHA CHECKING OFF BOXES. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN THINK ABOUT DOING IT. >> BASED ON IT'S A LATE NIGHT AND THERE'S MULTIPLE OPTIONS, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS COME BACK IN A MONTH AND PRESENT THOSE KEY DECISIONS. WE CAN GET DOWN THE LIST AND SAY THERE'S SEVEN KEY DECISIONS WERE MADE, WHETHER WE GENERAL FUND THE ENTERPRISE, WHATEVER IT IS AND GIVE YOU THOSE OPTIONS TO SAY, HERE'S THE SEVEN KEY THINGS, FLIP THE SWITCH ON TWO OUT OF SEVEN, OR SEVEN OUT OF SEVEN, OR WHATEVER, AND THEN LET'S COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT THAT IS, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A PLAN TO EXECUTE. AGAIN, THAT AFFECTS OUR BUDGET THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET NEXT MONTH ON THE 10TH AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT OUR REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE, IT PLANTS THAT SEED IN YOUR MIND, LIKE HOW DO WE GET TO WHAT WE NEED TO FIX. >> I AGREE. >> BECAUSE WE HAVE THINGS WE TAKE CARE OF. [BACKGROUND] USUALLY, HOW TO TAKE CARE OF IS THROUGH FUNDING. [03:30:01] BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PIECES OF THE ROADMAP TO GET TO THE FUNDING TO DO THE FIXES. WE NEED TO START NOW, A BUDGET-WISE. THEN ALSO I THINK, TOWNSEND SAID, NEXT 2-3 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO START FIGURING ALL THIS OUT AND COMING UP WITH A REALLY GOOD CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF IT. THIS MAY HAVE TO BE THE BIG PIECE. WE'RE GOING TO FUND OFF THROUGH SOME OF THIS, SO I APPRECIATE IT. THESE ARE GOOD NUMBERS, IT WAS EYE-OPENING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE. IT'S BEEN AWHILE, RIGHT, JOHN? MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DONE A RATE STUDY LIKE THIS. >> WE DID A RATE STUDY IN 2009-'10 WITH MELISSA. >> THAT'S 12-13 YEARS AGO. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, THE SALES SPREADSHEET THAT HAD ALL THE INPUTS AND EVERYTHING. [BACKGROUND] BUT A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS, NONE. >> YEAH, SO THIS IS VERY EYE-OPENING AND AT LEAST, IT HELPS GET YOU HELP UP THE PIECE THAT'S GOING TO GET INTO THE BUDGETARY PIECE TO FIX THE ISSUES THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US. >> MY OTHER SALES COMMENT IS THAT, WE'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S OUR PRIMARY THING. WE'RE PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AND WE'LL PRESENT OUR BUDGET FOCUSING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND BRINGING IN BUSINESSES THAT CAN BEAR THE BURDEN, SO WHEN WE HAVE FIXED INCOME FOLKS, OR WE HAVE THAT TIER THAT'S AFFECTED BY THE RATES, YOU CAN IMPACT THAT. YOU RAISE YOUR RATES AS A MAJOR BUSINESS LIKE MANUFACTURING HIGHER BECAUSE THEY'RE BUYING A LOT OF THE WATER, AND YOU CAN SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THOSE LOWER AT RISK BILL PAYERS IN THAT PROCESS. YOU'RE HELPING EVEN OUT THAT SLOPE OVERALL. >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> OKAY. [BACKGROUND] >> I'M JUST DOING A LITTLE BUDGET PREP. >> [NOISE] DO WE THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD DIRECTION? [OVERLAPPING] >> I'D LIKE TO COME BACK IN A MONTH, PROVIDE YOU WHATEVER NUMBER OF TRIGGERS TO GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT WOULD BE. >> CHRIS, THANK YOU. CHRIS, THANK YOU, AND YOU TOO AT THE BACK, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND. >> YES, IT'S NOT QUITE THE [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> VERY INFORMATIVE. >> YES, APPRECIATE IT. >> [BACKGROUND] MOVING ON, NUMBER 9, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON [9. Discussion and possible action on the Industrial District Agreements.] THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AGREEMENTS. WHO'S THAT? CHRIS. >> HOPEFULLY, THIS IS THE LAST ONE. THE INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT THAT'S IN OUR ETJ, THERE'S FOUR CUSTOMERS THERE. THERE'S BENCHMARK, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SUGAR CREEK BAPTIST CHURCH, THE ANGLETON 288 INDUSTRIAL PARK. ALL THESE AGREEMENTS HAD BEEN CHANGED TO EXPIRE THIS YEAR, DECEMBER 31ST, AND THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME LANGUAGE. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RENEGOTIATE IT IF WE GO INTO SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT. I'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT RENEGOTIATION. I'VE TALKED TO THREE OF THE FOUR. THE OTHER ONE HASN'T MET WITH ME, BUT THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE LEAST VALUE THERE. THE TWO THAT HAVE THE MOST VALUE AND A MAJORITY OF THE MONEY IS ITS BENCHMARK AND RULICA. THE THREE THAT I'VE MET WITH, THEY ALL WANT AN EXTENSION. [BACKGROUND] THEY JUST WANT TO EXTEND IT AT THE SAME TERMS. RULICA HAS REQUESTED A FIVE-YEAR EXTENSION. JUDITH TELLS ME WE NEED TO OFFER THE SAME TERMS TO ALL THE PARTIES IN THAT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT IF WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND IT BY AUGUST THE 1ST. WE'RE ASKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM STAFF. THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE WORK OUT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AN EXTENSION TO FIVE YEARS ON THE SIMILAR TERMS TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW, BECAUSE THE ANNEXATION LAWS ARE MORE STRICT NOW. THEY'RE IN OUR ETJ THAT WE WOULDN'T TECHNICALLY GET. WE DON'T HAVE THIS AGREEMENT, WE WOULDN'T REALLY GET ANY MONEY FROM THEM UNLESS WE WERE GO TO ANNEX THEM AT SOME POINT. THE CURRENT AGREEMENT GIVES US ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF WHAT OUR TAX RATE WOULD BE IF THEY WERE IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE OUTSIDE AN ETJ. >> I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS EVEN THAT MUCH, THAT AGGRAVATES. I'LL [INAUDIBLE] RULICA IN DIFFERENT BUT BENCHMARK. >> BENCHMARK'S VALUE IS DROPPING. THEY HAVE NOTIFIED US THAT THEY ARE MEETING THERE. THEY'RE CLOSE ENOUGH FACILITY AND THEY'RE GOING TO SELL IT. [03:35:01] BUT THEY BELIEVE THAT EXTENDING THIS AGREEMENT WILL HELP THEM SELL IT TO ANOTHER COMPANY THAT WILL BRING IN THE BUSINESS THERE. >> THEY WANT FIVE YEARS? >> THEY JUST WANT AN EXTENSION, THEY DIDN'T MENTION. RULICA WANTS FIVE YEARS. JUDITH IS RECOMMENDING FIVE YEARS, ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT SEEMS TO. >> WELL, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE, I'M JUST FROM A CONTRACTUAL STANDPOINT, LEGAL STANDPOINT. YOU ALL KNOW MUCH BETTER WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PART OF TOWN. >> I COULD JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT FOR THE RULICA GROUP OUT THERE. [OVERLAPPING] AGAIN, PRETTY GOOD OCCUPANCY OUT THERE. I KNOW THEY'RE ADVERTISING NOW, BUT AT LEAST SEE SOME ADVERTISING GOING ON. A GENTLEMAN THAT I SPOKE TO, I THINK IT'S THE SON, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S MIKE'S SON. HE DID SAY THAT IT SEEMS LIKE THEIR BUSINESS IS PICKING UP. I HOPE THAT THAT FACILITY GETS MORE FULL OR AT CAPACITY. [BACKGROUND] IT IS A BENEFIT TO US. THERE'S A LOT OF EMPLOYEES OUT THERE THAT DO COME INTO THE CITY. BECAUSE THEY WANT HAVE A CAFETERIA OUT THERE. THEY MAKE IN NEW TOWN. THEY MAY GO SHOP WHILE THEY RUN HOME. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF BUSINESSES. I WOULD SAY, IF YOU'RE IN THAT SAME BOAT AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE FOR A WHILE WE WERE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENTS, IF WE CAN GET SOME SOLIDIFIED FOR SOME TERM, MAYBE THEY'LL JUST HELP US. LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S WHY WORRY ABOUT THE BENCHMARK BUILDING. IF IT GOES EMPTY, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? SELLING GOES ON THE AUCTION BLOCK, THEN WHO PAYS FOR ALL THAT? I MIGHT RATHER SEE SOMETHING GOING ON. IF THIS IS A WAY TO KEEP THEM IN PROSPECT BUILDING FOR FUTURE OCCUPANT, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THOSE TWO FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SUGAR CREEK BAPTIST OR SUGAR CREEK GROUP. [OVERLAPPING] [BACKGROUND] >> THEY'RE PART OWNER, I BELIEVE TO THE [OVERLAPPING] >> TO THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> RULICA HOMES WAS REALTY OF HARD STRUCTURES OUT THERE. SUGAR CREEK BAPTIST CHURCH PRIMARILY LIVED THIS, JUST TO GROUND OUTSIDE THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. >> OKAY, GOT YOU. THANK YOU. >> BENCHMARK DOESN'T GET AN INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENT THEN THEY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AND THEY DIDN'T PAY NOTHING. >> ITS GOING TO EXPIRE. THEY HAVE THE MOST VALUE THERE RIGHT NOW. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ALMOST 15 MILLION, 14.7, IT DROPPED 2.2 MILLION OR 15 PERCENT BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT THE APPRAISAL VALUE WAS. IT DROPPED 50 PERCENT FROM THE LAST YEAR. BUT THEY'RE STILL AT 12 MILLION, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN ALL THE OTHER. RULICA IS ABOUT 7.5 AND THE OTHERS ARE NOT EVEN A MILLION. THAT'S WHERE ALL THE VALUE IS AND IF YOU JUST LET IT EXPIRE, THEN WE MIGHT NOT GET ANYTHING. >> WE CAN'T ANNEX. >> WELL, YOU CAN, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING THAN IT USED TO BE. THE LEGISLATURE CHANGED ALL THE ANNEXATION RULES IN 2019. >> THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON WE DID THOSE INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENTS BACK IN THE DAY. >> YOU STILL CAN, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING. >> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE, WE APPROVE. WE INSTRUCT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK ON AN INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENT FOR FIVE YEARS FOR BENCHMARK ELECTRONICS, RULICA, ANGLETON LTD, AND SUGAR CREEK BAPTIST CHURCH, AND ANGLETON 288 INDUSTRIAL PARK. >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SVOBODA. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. [BACKGROUND] THAT MOTION CARRIES. [10. Discussion and possible action on Henderson Road Improvements.] ITEM NUMBER 10, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON HENDERSON ROAD IMPROVEMENT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. WE HAD BEEN TASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAJOR EAST-WEST CORRIDOR THROUGH THE CITY HENDERSON ROAD. REDI, WILL BE ONE PRESENTING. HE'S OUR HEAD TRAFFIC TRANSPORTATION GUY. HE'S THE ONE THAT DID THE STUDY, TOOK A LOOK AT IT. WE DID EVERYTHING FROM TAKING TRAFFIC COUNTS TO COORDINATING WITH THE SCHOOL, IDENTIFY BECAUSE BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, IT WAS DURING THE PANDEMIC, SO THE SCHOOL WASN'T AT FULL OCCUPANCY. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME IMPACTS, SO WE ENDED UP MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE. ALSO COORDINATING WITH STAFF ON PROJECTIONS, LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN THE AREA, ALSO WITH THE SCHOOL, THINGS THAT THEY SAW. WITH THAT, I'LL INTRODUCE YOU ALL TO REDI. REDI? [03:40:01] >> THANKS, SEAN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO PRESENT THIS CORRIDOR STUDY WE DID FOR YOU ALL. I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT SHARP SINCE IT'S ALMOST 10:00 PM. WE LOOKED AT THE CORRIDOR ON HENDERSON ROAD CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY FROM VELASCO STREET, BUSINESS 288 ON THE WAY TO STATE HIGHWAY 35 TO MULBERRY STREET. IT'S ABOUT 10, SIX INTERSECTIONS WITH FEW DRIVE WAYS IN THE MIDDLE. WE COLLECTED TRAFFIC DATA IN A MOMENT 2020, WHICH WAS LAST YEAR DURING THE PANDEMIC. LIKE JOHN MENTIONED, WE COORDINATED WITH THE ANGLETON JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORRIDOR. THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT 20 PERCENT DOWN TRAFFIC-WISE DURING THE SCHOOL OPERATIONS. WE BUMPED UP OUR TRAFFIC BY ABOUT 20 PERCENT JUST TO REFLECT THAT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. WE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT WERE DONE PREVIOUSLY BY KICKSTART AND OTHER AGENCIES. WE HAVE DONE SOME COMPARISONS ALONG THE CORRIDOR. IT SEEMED PRETTY ACCURATE THAT 20 PERCENT SEEMED LIKE A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER. WE ALSO LOOKED AT PROJECTIONS BASED ON AGENCY'S TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL, AND ALSO SOME OF THE PAST COUNTS. THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY IN THIS AREA, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT. WE CAME UP WITH THREE PERCENT GROWTH RATE, WHICH IS PRETTY CONSERVATIVE FOR THIS AREA, GIVEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S COMING ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF CORRIDOR. WE USE THAT TO PROJECT OUR TRAFFIC FROM 2020-2030. OUR ANALYSIS IS BASED ON THE 2030 NUMBERS TO SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENS IN 2030 AND HOW WE GET READY FOR THAT. THIS TABLE HERE IS SHOWING ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EITHER COMING, UPCOMING OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THERE ARE ABOUT 2,000 HOMES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT ADDS PLENTY OF TRAFFIC. CLOSE TO 1,500 VEHICLES IN THE AMP COVER AND ABOUT 2,000 VEHICLES IN THE PMP COVER. WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LOCATE, HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS DO THEY HAVE? HOW DOES THE TRAFFIC GET DISTRIBUTED IN THE NETWORK? WHAT THAT MEANS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE INTERSECTIONS. AFTER WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CALL CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH SHOWS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH IS BASICALLY LIKE A SCALE OF A TO F, A BEING THE BEST OPERATING CONDITIONS, F BEING THE WORST OPERATING CONDITIONS, WE'LL RUN A QUICK CAPACITY ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT EACH INTERSECTION, AND SEE HOW THEY WOULD OPERATE. FOR THE MOST PART, LET ME GO BACK REAL QUICK. ALL THE INTERSECTIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, INCLUDING VELASCO STREET, VALDERAS, DOWNING STREET ON THE WEST SIDE, THEY OPERATE EITHER AT CAPACITY OR OVERCAPACITY, AND THAT'S TODAY. HERITAGE PARK DRIVEWAY, MEADOWVIEW STREET, STATE HIGHWAY 35, THEY'RE NOT AS BAD. THEY'RE RELATIVELY GOOD AND WE FIRST SURE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY VALDERAS STREET BECAUSE THAT'S FAILING TODAY. A COUPLE OF THESE ROADWAYS, VELASCO STREET, THE BUSINESS 288 AND STREET HARVARD 35 ON THE EAST SIDE, THEY ARE STREET ROADS. OBVIOUSLY, IT TAKES TIME TO PRODUCE THEM, SO THERE IS DEFINITELY A NEED FOR COORDINATION WITH THEM ON THOSE TWO STREETS AND THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS. WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS A SCREENSHOT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY, AND THIS IS THE FIRST INTERSECTION ON THE WEST SIDE BUSINESS 288 AND HENDERSON ROAD, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE THOSE NUMBERS IN GREEN OR BLACK, I GUESS, THEY SHOW THEM OUT OF TRAFFIC. YOU WOULD SEE IT ON A GIVEN DAY IN PMP CONDITION. THE REASON WE PICKED PM IS THAT IT'S JUST THE WORST OF THE DAY, AND WE JUST TOOK THAT AS OUR PRESENTATIVE HOUR AND WE ARE DESIGNING FOR IT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TRAFFIC IS SIGNIFICANT AND YOU CAN SEE ALMOST 500-600 VEHICLES TRAVELING JUST EAST OF THE INTERSECTION, THAT ONLY IN ONE DIRECTION. IF YOU COMBINE THE TRAFFIC IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, IT'S ALMOST CLOSE TO 700-800 VEHICLES. OVERALL FOR THE CORRIDOR, WE'RE PROPOSING A FOUR LANES SECTION ALONG HENDERSON ROAD, ALL THE WAY FROM BUSINESS 288 TO STATE HIGHWAY 35. THAT'S THE FIRST AND FOREMOST THING WE NEED, AND THAT INCLUDES TWO LANES GOING IN EACH DIRECTION. IN ADDITION TO THAT, AT THIS INTERSECTION, [03:45:03] WE NEED A CHANNEL AS NOT BOUND RIGHT TURN, LANE, WHICH IS, AGAIN, THAT'S A STRAIGHT ROAD, BUT WE DO WANT A CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN THAT WOULD MERGE INTO THAT NEW LANE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING COUPLE OF TURNING BAYS HERE ON THE EAST BURN AND WEST BURN APPROACHES, TO MAKE RIGHT TURNS FREE. WITH ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THIS IS A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION TODAY, AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO KEEP THE SIGNAL AND IMPROVING IT WITH ALL THE OTHER CHANGES THAT I PROPOSED, AND THE SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS WILL GO FROM A LEVEL OF SERVICE F, WHICH IS FAILING, TO LEVEL OF SERVICE D, WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE. THAT'S FOR THE BUSINESS 288 INTERSECTION. THIS IS VALDERAS STREET, LIKE I SAID, TODAY THIS INTERSECTION OPERATES AT LEVEL OF SERVICE F, IT'S STOP CONTROL IN ALL APPROACHES, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO A SOUTH BURN RIGHT TURN BAY, COUPLE OF LEFT-HAND BAYS ON BOTH EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND APPROACHES. WITH ALL THOSE CHANGES, WE WILL SEE THAT IT WOULD GO FROM A LEVEL OF SERVICE F TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE B. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE ADDING A LOT OF CAPACITY AT THESE TWO INTERSECTIONS AND DOWNING STREET, WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY PROPOSING A LOT OF TURNING BAYS OR ANY ADDITIONAL LANES EXCEPT FOR THE NEW EASTBOUND WESTBOUND LANE ALONG HENDERSON ROAD. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT AS WELL AS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL HERE. NOW, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL, AND THIS IS WHERE WE SEE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS HELPING STUDENTS CROSS STREET AND WE DO SEE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE ACTIVITY AT THIS INTERSECTION. WE DEFINITELY RECOMMEND PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS AND PUSH BUTTONS AND PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS ANOTHER PLACE WHERE WE SHOULD CONSIDER SIDEWALKS AND ALSO BIKE PLANES IF THAT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY. IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT COUPLE OF OPTIONS WE LOOKED INTO IN, AND HOW WE CAN ADD THOSE FEATURES. THIS IS JUST A QUICK CHANGE. WE'RE PROPOSING CHANGING THAT SOUTHBOUND RIGHT DOWN FROM STOP CONTROL TO YIELD CONTROL SINCE WE'LL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL LANE, THOSE [INAUDIBLE] CAN MERGE INTO THAT ADDITIONAL LANE. WITH THESE CHANGES, WE ARE LOOKING AT FEATURE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF F GOING TO BE C, AND THIS IS FOR AM CONDITIONS BECAUSE THIS INTERSECTION AM IS THE P WITH ALL THE SCHOOL ACTIVITY. NOW, THIS SLIDE IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE SCHOOL DRIVEWAYS AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THEY ARE ADDING, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ABOUT 460 VEHICLES GOING WESTBOUND AND THE AM, AND TO THAT YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER 200 VEHICLES LEAVING THE SCHOOL DRIVEWAY. THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THIS INTERSECTION IS TO THE EAST OF DOWNING STREET, HERITAGE PARK DRIVEWAY, VR. PROPOSING A SIGNAL HERE AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL, ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY DOWN LANES HERE, SORRY. WE'RE JUST ADDING A SIGNAL HERE, BUT THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE PROPOSED SIGNAL LIKE THE DOWNING STREET AND VALDERAS, THEY BOTH MEET TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANTS EITHER AN EXISTING CONDITION OR DIFFERENTLY IN FUTURE CONDITION, BUT THIS INTERSECTION, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEET WARRANTS, ALTHOUGH WE THINK THAT SINCE ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS COMING FROM WEST ARE SIGNALIZED OR ARE GOING TO BE SIGNALIZED, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT PROGRESSION AND HAVE A CONTINUITY, SINCE THEY'RE ALL CLOSELY SPACED INTERSECTIONS. WITHOUT A SIGNAL, THIS INTERSECTION WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT Q ON THE SOUTH LEAGUE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ABOUT 200 VEHICLES TURNING ON THE SOUTH LEAGUE, SO YEAH. DOING WHAT THAT QUEUING AND VEHICLES PARKING INTO EACH OTHER, WE ARE PROPOSING A SIGNAL HERE. NOW, THIS INTERSECTION AT MEADOWVIEW STREET IS THE NEXT ONE TO THE EAST. WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDING MUCH HERE. WE'RE JUST PROPOSING A SHORT TURN BAY ABOUT 50 FEET TO SEPARATE THE TURNING VEHICLES FROM THE THOROUGHFARE JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS. LAST INTERSECTION IS THE ONE AT MULBERRY STREET. [03:50:03] AGAIN, THIS IS [INAUDIBLE]. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ADDING A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS HERE EXCEPT THE SOUTHBOUND. THE RIGHT DOWN COULD BE A CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL RECEIVING LANE ON HENDERSON ROAD GOING WEST, AND SO WITH THE SOUTHBOUND CAN COME AND MERGE INTO THAT NEW LANE. THIS IS WHERE THE EASTBOUND LANE, THE SECOND LANE GETS DROPPED OFF. THE FOUR LANE CROSS-SECTION WE WERE PROPOSING, WILL JUST END UP IF I STRAP THIS INTERSECTION. THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE MAKING. THE YELLOW ARROWS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS GRAPHIC ARE LANES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND THE GREEN ARROWS ARE CHANNELIZATION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH ARE BOTH ON X DOT ALWAYS. THE ONE TO THE SYMBOL TO THE LEFT IS ALREADY THERE. THE REST ARE ALL NEW SIGNALS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING ALSO. BUT OVERALL, A FORELIMB CROSS-SECTION IS WHAT'S REQUIRED HERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS QUITE A BIT OF RIGHT OF WAY. NOW, LIKE I WAS MENTIONING, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS WE LOOKED INTO WHEN IT COMES TO ADDING NEW PEDESTRIANS/BIKE OPTIONS. FOR DOWNING STREET ESPECIALLY, WE WERE HOPING SINCE ALL THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING, WE HAVE A BIKE LANE THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR. WHAT WOULD THAT REQUIRE? FOR EXAMPLE, THIS OPTION 1 HERE IS SHOWING A SIDE PATH WHICH IS BASICALLY A MIX OF SIDEWALK AND BIKE PATH. IT'S TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CORRIDOR WHERE THE SCHOOL IS, WHICH IS 10 FEET WIDE, AND A SIDEWALK TO THE SOUTH OF THE GUARDED R, WHICH IS 5 FEET WIDE. THAT ADDITION, WE NEED ABOUT 90 FEET RIGHT OFFERING THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR AND AT THE WIDEST POINT ON THE CORRIDOR WHICH IS AT THE INTERSECTION BUSINESS 288, WE NEED ABOUT 103 FEET RIGHT OF WAY. OPTION 2 DOES NOT CONSIDERED A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IT ONLY CONSIDERS A SIDE PATH WHICH IS A SIDEWALK BY PATH COMBINATION ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT WOULD NEED A RIGHT OF WAY OF ABOUT 80 FEET. AGAIN, AT THE WIDEST POINT IN THE CORRIDOR IT NEEDS ABOUT 93 RIGHT OF WAY. WE DID A QUICK COMPARISON. I'M SORRY THAT THIS GRAPHIC IS HARD TO READ. BUT ON THE TOP OF THE GRAPH WE'RE SHOWING WHAT IS THE RIGHT OF EVERY MEASURE BASED ON A PARCEL MAP AND ON THE BOTTOM OF THE GRAPH THEY'RE SHOWING THE RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION WE DID. BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT AND I GUESS IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IN ORDER TO DO THE EXPANSION OF THE ROAD WITH YS AND THE BIKE PATHS, TRULY ATTAINING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN FILLING IN THE DRAINAGE PUTTING CORRIDOR SO YOU HAVE A SURFACE TO WIDEN THE ROAD? >> I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT QUESTION, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT AWAY AND THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? >> WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT IN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN EXPAND THE ROAD. >> THAT'S RIGHT. YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY WE AND THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP BEFORE WE START WIDENING AND ADDING ALL THOSE LANES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. YES. >> BECAUSE YOU GRADED AN F FOR TEXT DOT GIVING THAT TEXT HOTLINE START WITH THE VELASCO AND HENDERSON INTERSECTION AND LET THEM LEAD THAT CHARGE AND GET THAT ADDRESSED FIRST BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A PIVOTAL INTERSECTION FOR US. >> IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LEVEL OF SERVICE F, THAT WAS LEVEL OF SERVICE D. [OVERLAPPING] >> I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING FROM F TO A D? >> IF WE MADE ALL THE CHANGES, YES. YEAH. IF YOU DON'T, OBVIOUSLY, [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S TRULY ENOUGH, RIGHT? >> IT'S GOING TO BE A LEVEL OF SERVICE F. THAT'S AGAIN, ONE THING THAT WE CAN START DOING, COORDINATE THE TECH START. I KNOW THEY HAVE A PROJECT COMING UP IN THAT AREA. USUALLY THEY COME BACK AND VISIT THEIR TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMINGS AND THEY CHANGE THEM EVERY FEW YEARS TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW TRAFFIC. BUT IN THIS CASE, SINCE THE CAPACITIES THEY'RE GOING TO BE OVERCAPACITY, [03:55:03] THEY HAVE TO START LOOKING AT WIDENING THE INTERSECTION AS WELL. WE CAN START THAT DIALOGUE WITH THEM AS FOUR-STEP ALSO COORDINATED THEM TO SEE WHAT DO THEY HAVE IN MIND FOR THAT NEW SECTION AND HOW WE CAN HELP AND HOW THAT CAN FIT INTO OUR GRAND PLAN HERE. >> THEN I THINK VALDEZ AND HENDERSON, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU CAN GET ANYMORE RIGHT OF WAY ON SOUTHBOUND SIDE OF THE SOUTHWESTERN SECTION, RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE BIGGEST DEFENSE. >> YEAH. >> BUT I GUESS YOU CAN EXPAND THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT. TAKE IT NOT ON THE NORTH SIDE. NORTH EAST. BUT I THINK ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TO YOU IN THAT MEETING WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WAS, WHAT CAN WE DO NOW? WHAT ACTIONS CAN BE TAKEN? EITHER TO GET STARTED WITH SOME OF THESE INTERSECTIONS OR NOT IN SOME QUICK WINS, I GUESS TO PUT LIGHTS UP, SOME WAY OF FIXING IT. >> I DID THINK ABOUT IT, JOHN AND I KNOW FROM THAT MEETING WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND THERE ARE FEW THINGS I GUESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2030 HERE, AND WE DEFINITELY NEED A PLAN TO GET THERE AND THE FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD SAY, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY WE NEED. BECAUSE WIDENING DOESN'T HAPPEN OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT THAT. WE NEED THAT SPACE TO PUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN. WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED TO PUT IN AND WE NEED A DRAINAGE STUDY TO DO THAT. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP AND TALK TO HAC, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BIKE LANES AND SIDEWALKS AND SCHOOL. I FORGOT THE [INAUDIBLE]. BUT THERE'S A SCHOOL THERE SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ADDITIONAL BENEFIT IN ADDING THOSE SIDEWALKS. WE CAN GO FOR A HAC FUNDING AND ALSO COORDINATE THE TAKES DOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE UNDER BY TAKES DOT ALWAYS ON BOTH SIDES. THERE'S DEFINITELY CORONATION THAT YOU CAN DO AND DO THIS PRELIMINARY WORK. IN TERMS OF UTILITIES, THERE IS OVERHEAD ELECTRICAL LINES ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE. WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THESE THINGS AND SEE HOW MUCH THEY WOULD COST US AND HAC HAS GOT A FUNDING PROGRAM COMING UP NEXT YEAR. MAYBE THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO PAD THIS PROJECT. ONCE WE KNOW THE AMOUNT WE NEED TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THESE CHANGES, MAYBE THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO ADD IT. YEAH, THAT COULD BE OUR NEXT STEP. >> FROM MY SEAT. I CAN'T WAIT TILL 2030. THE CITIZENS HAVE ALREADY BEEN VERY VOCAL THAT THEY WANT SOME ACTION ON THAT ROAD. SOMETHING OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, I THINK IS ACCEPTABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT. >> AS WRIGHT SAID, WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR LOW-HANGING FOR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE THING THAT WE GOT TO LOOK AT IS JUST THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO DO THE CIVILIZATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOME RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA MORE THAN LIKELY. THE THING WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS SPEND MONEY IN TRYING TO IMPROVE IT A LITTLE BIT NOW AND THEN AFTER TEAR THAT BACK UP. >> EXACTLY. >> THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS THE WAY WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT, I HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, AS WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME, IS THERE'S SOME COSTS IN HERE FOR DOING A RIGHT OF WAY SURVEY OF ENTIRE HENDERSON. THERE'S ALSO A TOPOGRAPHICAL AND RIGHT OF WAY SURVEY OF ALL OF HENDERSON. THEN THERE'S ALSO A FULL RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN A PARTIAL SURVEY FROM RANCHO DITCH BACK TO THE WEST. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU-ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO. THIS INFORMATION'S NOT ONLY USED FOR JUST THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT'S ALSO COULD BE USED FOR WHEN WE START IDENTIFYING THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THAT COULD BE ACTUALLY PUT DIRECTLY INTO THE MODEL TO GIVE YOU A MORE ACCURATE SOLUTION. BECAUSE ONCE YOU START LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE, NOT ONLY IS IT JUST WHAT IT CONVEYS, YOU'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO MITIGATE IT. YOU CAN'T PUT MORE WATER INTO BRUSH AND BOWL AND IMPACT SOMEBODY DOWNSTREAM WITHOUT FIGURING OUT SOME MITIGATION OR WORKING WITH ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT, THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR CHORES TO WORK WITH ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT. I KNOW THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS. [INAUDIBLE] HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THE DOWNSTREAM AND REPLACING SOME OF THE BRIDGES. THEY ARE DOING MITIGATION EFFORTS IN OTHER AREAS THAT REALLY AFFECTED AND IMPROVED [INAUDIBLE]. AS WE SAW WHEN WE ACTUALLY UP-SIZED THE [INAUDIBLE] OVER THERE ON HENDERSON AT RANCHO DITCH, AND ALLOWED US TO BE ABLE TO REALLY START WORKING IN ON THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, OF COURSE, IS LIKE I SAID, THE RIGHT OF WAY SURVEY, FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE. WE'RE BASICALLY USED AS ORDERED COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WHAT WAS APPLAUDED IN THAT AND USE THAT. HERE OR THERE COULD BE OFF COULD WE NOT WE NEED TO SET THOSE PROPER CORNERS SEE WHAT THEY REALLY ARE. THE OTHER THING IS COORDINATING WITH TEXTILES. LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE SOME TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENED POTENTIALLY, MAYBE ON GLASGOW OR OR SOMETHING IN THERE. [04:00:03] GET TO TALKING TO THEM, SHOW THEM, HEY, WE'VE DONE THIS STUDY. THIS IS THE TYPE OF LOADING THAT YOU'RE HAVING HERE. THESE ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS GOING ON. CAN WE DO SOMETHING OR WORK SOMETHING OUT? THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS ALSO THE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS. BECAUSE WHAT THIS HAS DONE AND WHAT READIES PUT TOGETHER IS THE BACKBONE OF YOU BEING ABLE TO TAKE IT TO HDAC AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'VE PUT SKIN IN THIS GAME. WE'VE STUDIED OUR COURT OR WE'VE STUDIED THE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT. WE HAVE A SCHOOL ZONE, WE CAN PROTECT OUR KIDS GOING BACK AND FORTH. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE DRAINAGE. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, WE IDENTIFY THE MITIGATION. AT THAT POINT, THE PROJECT BECOMES VERY SELECTABLE. BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IS A MAJOR EAST-WEST CORRIDOR OR THROUGH THE CITY OF ANGLETON, AT A SCHOOL, BY A FOOTBALL FIELD, MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS COMING IN WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT THERE. IF YOU SAW THAT ONE SLOT OF JUST ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT THERE ON MY CORRIDOR. IT'S GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT. >> YEAH. >> THE OTHER FUNDING REQUEST THAT I WAS THINKING OF EARLIER WAS SAFE RULES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM. I GUESS THAT'S DEFINITELY APPLICABLE HERE. >> BUT LIKE THAT GRAND, YOU'D HAVE TO FILL IN THE DITCH AND DETENTION TO BUILD THAT SIDEWALK. >> FILL IT IN. >> WE'D HAVE TO HAVE CULVERTS AND STUFF. >> THAT'S DIFFERENT. >> SORRY. >> WE WOULD NEED ALL THE RODAWAY WE COULD GET SO WE'D CULVERED IN THE DITCH. >> I'M ALL FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT, BUT I'M ALL FOR IT. >> WELL, THAT'S THE BEAUTY. YOU'RE DOING ALL THE LEGWORK RIGHT NOW TO WHERE IT DOES BECOME SELECTABLE IN SOME OF THESE TIP FUNDING PROJECTS. >> LET'S DO IT. I'M ALL FOR IT. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND LOOK LIKE JOHN STARTED IT WAS, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT, WHAT PRIVILEGE CAN WE MAKE TODAY? BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS ROAD IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME. >> IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE. >> I WOULD LEAN ON CECIL AND YOU GUYS. IS THIS A PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO GET A GOOD GAME PLAN AND GO FROM BEGINNING TO END THE COMPLETION AND NOT TRY TO PATCHWORK? WOULD THIS BE A PROJECT THAT YOU WOULD SAY, IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, ITS WHEN YOU GET A ROLL OUT, A GOOD GAME PLAN, FUNDING IS THE BIG PIECE, SO WOULD YOU HELP US WITH THAT WITH STAFF, HOW DO WE FUND IT? HOW DO WE GET THERE? >> ONE OF THE THINGS IF YOU LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL INTERSECTION THAT STARTED AT 288 IN GLASGOW, THAT'S A VERY NARROW AREA RIGHT THERE. MANY OF YOUR IMPROVEMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE MOVED OUT WHENEVER YOU GET THE RIGHT [INAUDIBLE]. EVEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO [INAUDIBLE] , THERE'S AN OPEN DITCH RIGHT THERE. WE CAN'T PUT THAT AT THE RIGHT ELEVATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO TO THE KOHLBERG'S AS CECIL AND I HAVE DISCUSSED DOWN AT THE SCHOOL OR REALLY HIGH. >> RIGHT. >> AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE NEED TO BE VERY METICULOUS. WE NEED TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS ON THE STEPS FORWARD. >> EACH ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS STARTING AT 288, HEADING BACK TO THE EAST. OVER THE YEARS, THE CITY DID PICK THIS VERY SLOW HANGING FRUIT AS THEY COULD. TRIED TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION THERE BY CREDIT UNION ON BOTH SIDES. WENT TO VALERIE STREET, IT BROUGHT VALERIE STREET UP TO HENDERSON AND JUST DID THE BEST THEY COULD RIGHT THERE. BUT THAT HAPPENED AT EACH INTERSECTION. BETWEEN THE INTERSECTIONS, YOU'VE GOT WHAT YOU GOT. >> IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WELL, WE'LL FIX THE DRAINAGE. LET'S FIX IT HERE. >> YEAH. >> YOU FIX IT HERE BUT YOU DIDN'T FIX IT IN BETWEEN, SO IT DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD. >> AS FAR AS THE STREET WIDTH, WE COULD HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT THE TOTAL SECTION WOULD BE. YOU'D WANT TO DO THAT THERE. YOU WANT TO DO THAT FINAL SECTION. DON'T PUT PANELS AND ROTTEN WOOD. LET'S GET IT RIGHT. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT THE FULL SECTION IN THERE NOW. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY TO DO IT. >> WE'VE LOOKED AT THE STREET ONCE BEFORE, PROBABLY SEVERAL YEARS BACK. >> YES. >> DID WE GET A BALLPARK FIGURE WHAT THIS WOULD COST US FROM THE 288 VELASCO ALL THE WAY TO 35? >> YES. >> ROUGHLY. >> WE LOOK AT JUST THE PAVING COSTS BECAUSE WE HADN'T IDENTIFIED WHAT THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING A STUDY IN THAT AREA BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IDENTIFY, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE MAJOR BOXES. >> YEAH. >> THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WELL POINTING. CECIL AND ROBIN AND THEM KNOW THAT THAT AREA HAS A LOT OF WATER STAINS IN THERE. IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT COSTS IN THERE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH IT. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE CONVEYANCE IS, [04:05:01] OR THE MITIGATION IS, AND WHAT CAME TO IN HAND TO GET THAT. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A HIGH DOLLAR COST. THAT'S NOT A LOW TICKET. THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST AS MUCH AS THE ROADWAYS. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LARGE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF WET CONDITION BETTING, A LOT OF WELL POINTING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> ERIN. I'M JUST THINKING OF A NUMBER LIKE 30 MILLION. WAS THAT TOSSED AROUND, DO YOU REMEMBER, JOHN? >> IT WAS SILVER. HERB SMITH WAS HERE AND HE SAID, THIS WAS 2009, AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 20 MILLION AT THE TIME. >> YEAH. >> THAT WAS PROBABLY 2009. >> OKAY. FOR SOMEBODY- [OVERLAPPING]. >> BECAUSE THE COUNCIL LAUGHED AT ME FOR ASKING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. >> OKAY. [LAUGHTER] >> HE DIDN'T GO ANY FURTHER. >> YEAH. >> AT LEAST THE RESIDENTS KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. JUST HEARING US, IT'S GOING TO BE PRICEY. JUST BEAR WITH US BUT WE'RE AT LEAST TRYING TO ADDRESS IT. >> THAT'S A GOOD THING. >> DO YOU NEED ACTION FROM US CHRIS TONIGHT? NO? WHICH IS MORE FOR PRESENTATION OR DO YOU NEED SOMETHING, JOHN? >> AS FAR AS THE SURVEY OR THE RIDE AWAY RESEARCH. I PUT A PROPOSAL IN HERE. HOW WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO PROCEED FORWARD? WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TOO. IT'S IN HERE. IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO THE RUNAWAY SURVEY OR IF YOU WANT TO DO THE TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY, IF YOU WANT TO DO A PORTION OF A TOPO SURVEY? >> I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BUDGET THAT TO MAKE [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] DO YOU AGREE WITH CHRIS OR DO YOU THINK? [OVERLAPPING]. >> I RECOMMEND WE, AGAIN, A LOT OF INFORMATION, COME BACK WITH A LIST OF OPTIONS TO MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE YOU, ''HEY, WE'VE TALKED TO TXDOT AND WE'VE SOCIALIZED THE PROGRAM WITH THEM. THEN HERE'S THE THINGS WE NEED TO SPEND MONEY ON TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP AND GO TO HDAC, TO SIDEWALKS TO SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER IN THE PROGRAMS ARE." >> YEAH. >> WORK WITH ADD PROJECTS, WHATEVER. >> I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT TXDOT PROJECT IS THAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO DO. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TXDOT COME TALK TO US HERE NEXT MONTH. >> EXCITING. >> YOU'RE GOOD, JOHN? GOOD? OKAY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU ALL. >> YES. THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. NUMBER 11; [11. Discussion and possible action on the San Felipe Street, Ridgecrest Street, Chevy Chase Drive and Robinhood Lane bond projects.] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SAN FELIPE STREET, [INAUDIBLE] STREET, CHEVY CHASE DRIVE AND ROBINHOOD LAND BOND PROJECTS. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M EXCITED. >> COUNCILMAN MR. JOHN. >> IT'S COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND. HE'S READY TO GO. [LAUGHTER] >> I'VE BEEN WAITING TO SEE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR A WHILE. >> CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS AFTER EVERY MEETING? >> ALL RIGHT. PREVIOUSLY, THE CITIES WENT OUT FOR SOME BONDS AND HAS PUT TOGETHER ACTUALLY A ROADWAY TASK FORCE TO GO AND IDENTIFY DIFFERENT ROADWAYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT THEY BELIEVE WERE NEEDING THE MOST REPAIR TO GET THE BIGGEST BANK FOR THE BUCK. FROM THAT LIST, THE COUNCIL WENT OUT AND ISSUED DEBT THROUGH BOND SERVICE. FROM THAT PROJECT, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE TWO OF THE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED. WE HAVE DONE THE RICHMOND CHENANGO PROJECT AND WE ALSO HAVE DONE THE SOUTHSIDE DRIVE PROJECT. BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD PROJECTS. I BELIEVE WE REALLY CHANGED A LOT OF THE DRAINAGE PATTERNS, ESPECIALLY OVER THE RICHMOND CHENANGO. I'M TALKING TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ON THE WEEKEND DRIVING BY. THEY'VE BEEN VERY THANKFUL FOR EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY DID OVER THERE. THE FIRST TIME THEY HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT FLOODING. WE PUT THE DETENTION POND IN THERE, SLOPED THE ROAD BACK TOWARDS THAT WAY TO GET THE WATER OFF OF IT, SO IT'S NOT JUST STANDING WATER ON. IT'S REALLY WORKED OUT WELL. THE NEXT PROJECTS WE TALKED ABOUT WERE RIDGE CREST, CHEVY CHASE, ROBINHOOD, AND SAN FELIPE. PREVIOUSLY, THE CITY HAD WENT OUT TO THE GLO FOR SOME GRANTS FOR A STUDY THAT WE HAD PERFORMED CALLED THE DOWNING DRAINAGE STUDY. >> I'M GOING TO PASS THIS [INAUDIBLE] UP. IT'S JUST A REAL QUICK. I'M SORRY. [INAUDIBLE] >> NO PROBLEM. [NOISE]. >> THANK YOU. [NOISE] >> IN THIS STUDY, WE IDENTIFIED SOME MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO REALLY ADDRESS A LARGE WATERSHED IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON. IN THAT WE IDENTIFIED THE IMPROVEMENTS TO ACTUALLY GO DOWN SAN FELIPE FROM DOWNING ALL THE WAY ACROSS 35 TO AN AREA THAT WE'D LIKE TO POTENTIALLY GET SOME DETENTION IN FOR THE FUTURE AND END IT TO AN OUT FORM. WE PUT TOGETHER A GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE GLO MIT GRANTS. WE JUST RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE NOT SELECTED. [04:10:02] THEY SCORED HIGH BUT THEY WERE NOT SELECTED. WE WERE WAITING TO GET THAT BACK TO SEE IF WE COULD DO ALL OF SAN FELIPE AND PUT ALL THAT MONEY TOGETHER, GET A BIGGER BANG FOR OUR BUCK. THAT MONEY DIDN'T COME IN. NOW WHAT WE DID IS TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW TO WHERE WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN AND NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT HAVING TO COME BACK AND TEAR IT OUT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING DRAINAGE OUT THERE ON THOSE STREETS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT SAN FELIPE, RIDGE CREST, CHEVY CHASE, AND ROBINHOOD. CURRENTLY THEY ARE ALL SHEET FLOW FROM TINSLEY DOWN TO DOWNING [NOISE] AND DOWNING IS A COLLECTION STRIP. IF WE WERE TO GO IN THERE GET THE ROAD INTO BETTER CONDITION, ADDRESS THE WATERLINE AND A COUPLE LEVEL, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THE DRAINAGE AS IT IS NOW ACTING AS IT IS TOWARD DOWNING STILL THE COLLECTION STRIP. WE DON'T COVER UP ANYTHING, WE'RE NOT TO TEAR OUT. YOU'RE BEING VERY CONSCIOUS WITH THE CITY'S FUTURE ENDEAVORS AND FUNDING AND STOP AT DOWNING. YOU CAN'T GO DOWN SAN FELIPE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING TWO LARGE BOX CODES, YOU PUT A ROAD ON TOP OF IT. WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT AGAIN FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING WE WOULD HAVE TO PULL OUT A BRAND NEW STREET, THAT MAKES NO SENSE. ON CHEVY CHASE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON DOWNING AND CHEVY CHASE. WE HAVE A SMALL LITTLE ONE THAT GOES TO THE CHEVY CHASE INTERSECTION TO REDUCE THE PONDING THERE. WE COULD JUMP THAT INTERSECTION AND DO THE NORTH OF DOWNING AND THEN DO THE SOUTH OF DOWNING AND TYING INTO SAN FELIPE IF WE WANTED TO. BUT IT LOOKED A LITTLE IFFY I'D SAY JUST DOING IT ALL AT ONE TIME. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A SCHEDULE THAT I'VE PROVIDED TO EVERYONE ON THAT. OUR LAST MEETING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WE IDENTIFIED SOME DATES THAT WE WANT TO GET THE PROJECTS COMPLETED BY. WE WENT AND WE COMPRESSED OUR SCHEDULE. WE PUT IT ALL INTO ONE PROJECT FOR THOSE STREETS AND COMPRESSED THAT SCHEDULE. IF WE WERE TO GET MOVING BASICALLY BY AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE THE COMPLETE PROJECT DONE BY FEBRUARY OF 2024 WITH ALL THE STREETS COMPLETED, CLOSEOUT DOCUMENTS, EVERYTHING DONE. >> ONE STREET. [NOISE] HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? IF WE SAID RIDGE CREST? [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S ON THAT SHEET. >> I KNOW BUT YOU HAVE RIDGE CREST AFTER CHEVY CHASE, WHAT IF WE JUMPED RIDGE CREST FIRST? [BACKGROUND] >> WELL, THE REASON WHY WE DID THAT WAS JUST THE WAY THAT IT LINED UP. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT START DATE ON RIDGE CREST WHENEVER THEY GO, WHEN SCHOOL GETS OUT. WE WANT THAT DATE TO START ON THE 25TH OF MAY, I BELIEVE IS WHAT IT IS WHEN THEY GET OUT IN THE YEAR 2022. THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT WAS CONSTANT ON THAT DAY, WE'RE MOVING CONSTRUCTION IN THERE, WE'RE STARTING TO BREAK THE ROAD UP, GET AS MUCH DONE AS WE CAN IN THE SUMMER TIME WHEN THE KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL [NOISE]. IT'S EASIER ON THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND SAFER ON THE KIDS. THAT IS THE ONE WE SAID THAT ONE HAS TO STAY. THE REST OF THEM WE CAN FLIP FLOP AROUND BUT THAT IS THE ONE THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAYED. >> WE ARE ANTICIPATING PARTIALLY COMPLETING RIDGE CREST ONE SUMMER AND COMING BACK THE NEXT SUMMER AND FINISHING THE PROJECT? >> NO, YOU WOULD CONTINUE ON WITH IT BUT YOU'D HAVE AT LEAST ONE LANE COMPLETELY DONE ON RIDGE CREST. >> I'M JUST SEEING WHY RIDGE CREST APPEARS [NOISE] TWICE, THAT'S ALL. >> IS THAT THE SCHOOL LANE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THE NEXT LANE OVER, WHY IT'S ON THERE TWICE? >> ACTUALLY THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ROBINHOOD. >> YOU HAVE RIDGE CREST, ROBINHOOD, CHEVY CHASE, SHOULDN'T THAT BE SAN FELIPE? >> SAN FELIPE. I'M SORRY. YES. >> [OVERLAPPING] THE SECOND RIDGE CREST IS SAN FELIPE? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> THANKS FOR THAT. >> IT'S OKAY. CAN YOU TELL ME THE ORDER AGAIN IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU'D WANT IT TO BE? >> LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT ABOUT 30 WEEKS TO DO THE DESIGN, WE WOULD FINISH THE DESIGN IN FEBRUARY 2022. WE WOULD NEED A MONTH TO BEAT THAT PROJECT DOWN TO THAT SIZE, WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. CONSTRUCTION COST ALONE IS ABOUT 3.8 MILLION FOR ALL THOSE STREETS SECTIONS. YOU WOULD BID THAT OUT ANOTHER MONTH TO BRING A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND EXECUTE THE CONTRACTS. WE'D HAVE A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING AND A KICKOFF MEETING IN MAY OF 2022 AND THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD WANT THAT RIDGE CREST WOULD BE THE FIRST STREET THAT WE START WITH THAT MAY 2022, THAT'S THE MAIN ONE. [04:15:02] AFTER THAT WE CAN JUGGLE THEM ALL AROUND ANYWAY COUNCIL DESIRES. WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT AND GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE COMPRESSED THE DESIGN SCHEDULE, WE COMPRESSED THE BIDDING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO GET THAT SCHEDULE TO WORK OUT GIVEN THAT DATE THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. >> JOHN, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING ALL FOUR OF THESE IN THE SAME CONTRACT, YOU COULD RUN TWO STREETS AT THE SAME TIME. YOU COULD DO RIDGE CREST ON ONE END SAN FELIPE OR SKIP ONE STREET. YOU COULD DO TWO AT A TIME. >> EXACTLY. >> YEAH. >> I LIKE IT. [NOISE]. >> I DON'T LIKE THE DESIGN PHASE GOING ALL THE WAY TO FEBRUARY. >> THAT'S ONE THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. DOES THAT INCLUDE GETTING COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, GOING THROUGH ALL THE PHASES DESIGN? >> WE'RE READY TO GO TO BID GUYS AT THE END OF FEBRUARY. WE'RE BIDDING 1ST OF MARCH. [NOISE] THAT'S GETTING ALL THE UTILITY AGREEMENTS, THAT'S GETTING EVERYTHING TAKEN CARE OF, COUNCIL TAKING A LOOK AT THE SURVEY, GEOTAG, THE URBAN FORESTER, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> BUT IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY 30 STRAIGHT WEEKS FOR SOMEBODY SITTING BEHIND A COMPUTER DESIGN. YEAH. >> THAT'S SOME STUFF THAT I CAN DO IN HOUSE PRELIMINARILY BUT THEY'VE GOT A WEIGHT ON THEIR SELVES TO TAKE CARE OF THE SURVEY THAT THE GEOTECHNICAL WORK AND STUFF. >> THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THE SCHOOL, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO TRY JUST LIKE WE DID ON SOUTH SIDE DRIVE. IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, DURING THE SOUTH SIDE DRIVE PROJECT, WE STILL HAD TO COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOL IN EVERY TRANSITION THAT WE HAVE IN EACH TRAFFIC CONTROL OR EACH PHASE. AGAIN, CITY TYPICALLY LIKES TO HAVE OPEN HOUSES OR TOWN HALL MEETINGS TO LET RESIDENTS COME IN AND WE DO THAT ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS IN THE PAST. WE HAVE TIME FOR US TO GET RESIDENCE INPUT, WE ARE TALKING THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY BUY ON WHAT IT IS. AGAIN, THE STREETS ARE GOING TO BE CONTROLLED FROM THE UPSTREAM IN ON TINSLEY AND DOWNSTREAM AND THEN THERE'S VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE IN A SHEET FLOW FROM POINT A TO POINT B. AS FAR AS COMPLICATED AND CHANGING MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE UPSET, SETTING INLETS IN SOMEBODY'S YARD. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE. WE HAVE COMPLETED ON ROBINHOOD, I BELIEVE JEFF AND I REDID THAT WATERLINE AND ALSO ON SAN FELIPE WE REDID THAT WATERLINE TOO. THE WATER LINES ARE DONE ON THOSE STREETS. THE OTHER TWO STREETS THE WATERLINE IS NOT DONE AND SO WHEN WE DO THE PROJECT WE'LL ALSO DO THE WATERLINE IN THOSE TWO STREETS. >> I'M EXCITED. I WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD. I WISH THAT IT DIDN'T TAKE 30 WEEKS TO DESIGN IT, AND THEN [NOISE] NOT SEE ANYTHING FINISH UNTIL THE END OF NEXT YEAR ROUGHLY. THE WAY WE GO, USUALLY LONGER THAN THAT. >> THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. >> I HEAR YOU. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE, YOU GET IT DONE RIGHT. >> I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS AND CHRIS GETTING US BACK ON FOR US BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE A PROJECT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD ON. IT'S BEEN THERE WHEN IT'S ALLOCATED. ALL PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE SPOKE UP, MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO FINISH IT. I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IS THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE ALREADY HAVE BEEN BIG FOR THOSE AREAS OF TOWN. I THINK THIS WILL BE JUST MORE OF THE SAME, AS WE INVEST BACK INTO THE CITY IN DEVELOPING OUR STREETS. I THINK THE PROPERTY VALUES AND THE HOMEOWNERS INVEST IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOMES AS WELL. I THINK IT'S CATCHING AND DOUBLING BENEFITS. >> YEAH, I THINK THE STREETS DEFINITELY, THEY NEED THE ATTENTION. THAT'S FOR SURE. >> WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? >> IT JUST TOTALLY ENLIGHTENS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] OUR SISTER CITY DOWN THE WAY LIKE JACKSON IS HAVING HUGE MULTIPLE BOND-LIKE. THEY'VE GONE AND TAKEN ON THOSE LITTLE STREETS OUT. YOU COULDN'T HARDLY DRIVE DOWN THERE. NOW, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ALL BRAND NEW [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE HOUSE. >> IMPROVE THE HOUSES. [04:20:02] >> CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU NEED WITH US TONIGHT, THE MOTION TO PROCEED FORWARD? >> LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD IF THAT'S WHAT'S YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. >> I CAN BRING A PROPOSAL TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT. >> I TOOK YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT SIMULTANEOUS STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE THINGS. AGAIN, AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT OR ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION. >> BECAUSE THE ISSUE, AT LEAST WITH THIS STREET, IS WE HAVE FUNDING ALREADY SO WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD. IT'S THERE. [LAUGHTER] WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE MORE WORK ON YOU GUYS AND WE'VE GOT TO APPRECIATE. I'M THANKING YOU NOW IN ADVANCE FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH, BUT IT IS. IT'S GOING TO BE NICE ONCE IT GETS DONE. IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT FOR THAT PART OF TOWN. IT'S OLDER PART OF COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO LOOK WELL. IT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING VERY NICE. >> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BIG BANG FOR YOUR BUCK RIGHT THERE AT THE SCHOOL. [OVERLAPPING] >> EXACTLY. >> EVERYBODY [INAUDIBLE]. >> THEY GO RIGHT DOWN. >> THEY'LL SEE IT. >> IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> JUST THE BOTTOM LINE, LAST QUESTION HERE BEFORE JOHN ASKS. WHAT'S LEFT OR WHAT'S THE BALANCE OF THAT MONEY? [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] I GOT IT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE? >> WAITING FOR CHRIS. >> HE'S GONE ALREADY. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME. >> JUST CURIOSITY. >> THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MINE. >> YOU CAN EMAIL IT TO US. >> I WENT RIGHT OVER THERE LOOKING FOR HIM. >> BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD A NUMBER ABOUT 3.6. WE'LL SEE WHAT'S LEFT IN THE BALANCE. >> I'M ACTUALLY IMPRESSED WITH 3.6. >> ME TOO. >> [OVERLAPPING] >> CURRENT PRICING TODAY, WE GET IT. >> IT'S GETTING SCARY OUT THERE. >> YES, SIR. >> AFTER A 30-MONTH DESIGN, PRICES ARE GOING TO BE DOWN WHERE WE WANT THEM AT. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING. >> YEAH, 30 WEEKS FROM NOW. >> LET'S WATCH 30 WEEKS GUYS. >> THIRTY WEEKS. >> JASON, GET THAT MAGIC 8 APP OUT SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S INSIDE. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DID THAT. I GOT THE MAGIC 8 BALL APP ON MY PHONE AT [INAUDIBLE] WE'LL SEE. [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU, JOHN. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR HANGING WITH US. RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. NUMBER 12, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON VENTANA PROJECT. [12. Presentation, discussion, and possible action on the Ventana Project] >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MR. JIM GROVER IS HERE TO DO A PRESENTATION ON THE VENTANA PROJECT WHICH IS ABOUT 900 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN BY 288. >> I THANK YOU AGAIN. MY NAME IS JIM GROVER. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. IT'S IN YOUR LAP. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS RIFLE THROUGH THIS THING, PULL OUT SALIENT POINTS, AND WE CAN MOVE ON. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR HELPING US ON THE MUD CREATION THAT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW IN THE BRAZORIA COUNTY. MUD 82 IS ON THE BOOKS. THAT SAID, REALLY, THE LENS THAT I WANT YOU TO LOOK THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION IS GUIDANCE, IS WHAT I NEED. I'VE GOT THIS LAND UNDER CONTRACT. I'VE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND TREASURE DOING SOME DUE DILIGENCE ON IT. BEFORE I SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF THE LOT SIZES. THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IN THE MIX OF LOT SIZES. REALLY, I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO DO SMALLER LOTS. AS MR. TOWNSEND SAID EARLIER, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE MARKET'S GOING TO BE. WE'RE GOING TO HOPE IT'S GOING TO DICTATE SOME LARGER LOTS IN THE FUTURE, BUT ALL I CAN LOOK AT IS WHAT THE MARKET IS DICTATING RIGHT NOW. IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, YOU'LL PULL OUT ONE THING AND IT'S WHAT A CUSTOMER CAN BUY RIGHT NOW. LARGELY, IT'S A FUNCTION OF YOUR INCOME. SECONDLY, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE INTEREST RATES RIGHT NOW. THE PRESENTATION, I'M MAKING $80,000 A YEAR, INTEREST RATES BEING AT 3.5 PERCENT, AGAIN FOR A $300,000-HOME. NOT TOO TERRIBLY LONG AGO, WE WERE 6.5 PERCENT SO THAT SAME BUYER CAN'T BUY THAT HOME ANYMORE. IN FACT, I GOT TO MAKE $125,000 TO AFFORD THE SAME HOME. THAT'S THE CALCULUS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO JUGGLE IN TERMS OF THE LOT SIZES. NOW, SOME MISPERCEPTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT DEVELOPERS MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY BUILD SMALLER LOTS, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT TRUE. IT COSTS ME THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BUILD A 40-FOOT LOT AS IT DOES A 75-FOOT LOT. I BASE MY [INAUDIBLE] FOOT. I GOT A BIGGER LOT, MEANS YOU JUST GOT TO CHARGE A BIGGER PRICE. BUT WHAT THE HOME BUYERS ARE BUYING RIGHT NOW ARE SMALL. REMEMBER THIS $300,000-HOME. IF YOU FLASH FORWARD IN MY PRESENTATION AND LOOK AT THE HOMES THAT THAT BUYS, RIGHT NOW IN MY MCCURRY MEADOWS PROJECT IN RICHMOND, [04:25:03] $45,000-HOME STARTS AT ABOUT 290 AND THAT'S TODAY. QUITE HONESTLY, MY BUILDERS AREN'T EVEN PRICING HOMES ANYMORE. CONTRACT HOMES, THEY'RE BUILDING SPECS AND THEN WAITING FOR ABOUT 20 OR 30 DAYS OUT BEFORE THEY PRICE THEM BECAUSE LUMBER IS SO CRAZY. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS HEARD THE STORIES. ANYWAY, I'M REALLY HERE TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT OUR LOT PROPOSALS. IF YOU LOOK IN THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE GOT LAND PLANS THAT CAN CHANGE ABOUT A MILLION TIMES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. BUT THE ESSENCE OF IT IS WE'RE PLANNING ON A LARGE MAJORITY OF 45S, AND A PROPORTION OF 50S AND 60S. AGAIN, MOVING THROUGH THIS PROJECT THAT COULD CHANGE JUST IN TERMS OF WE NEED MORE 50S, OR THERE'S A LARGE DEMAND FOR 60S, OR WE NEED TO STICK WITH 45S LONGER. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? >> THANK YOU, SIR FOR THAT. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> HOLD ON, I'M THINKING. SCHEMATIC PLAN OF THE 909.4 ACRES FOR THE PUBLIC SHOWS THAT YOU INTEND TO PUT OF THE 45-FOOT FRONTS, 1,077 LOTS OVER 223 ACRES? >> I WOULDN'T PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THE EXACT THE NUMBERS. I PROBABLY LOOK AT IT MORE AS A PERCENTAGE. >> THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S EVEN BETTER BECAUSE MY MATH IS NOT REALLY GOOD, NOR IS MY ENGLISH. BUT YOU HAVE 50-FOOT LOT, AT ABOUT ANOTHER THOUSAND AND THEN 60-FOOT LOTS IS 303. >> [INAUDIBLE] FORTY-FOUR PERCENT FOR [INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. BUT IF YOU ADD THE 50 TO IT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 88, 90 PERCENT OR 50-FOOT OR LESS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO SAY, OTHER THAN TO ME THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE. >> I AGREE, BUT THAT'S THE MARKET. THAT MAY NOT BE YOUR VISION FOR ANGLETON AND IF THAT'S NOT, I CAN MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD AND WE CAN SHAKE HANDS AND PART WAYS. MR. PELTIER WAS IN HERE EARLIER AND SAYING THAT DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN HERE DEMANDING, NOT REALLY DEMANDING AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT IT TAKES TO GET ME DOWN HERE TO DEVELOP PROPERTY. I'VE GOT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME LOT DIVERSITY, BUT I'VE GOT THAT DIVERSITY HAS TO APPLY TO CERTAIN INCOMES. >> OKAY, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS IS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITIBANK. >> CORRECT. IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. [OVERLAPPING] >> HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE COUNTY? >> BUT WITHIN THE ETJ. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THERE IS A SLIVER OF THIS PROPERTY THAT IS OUTSIDE THE ETJ AND WITHIN COUNTY, BUT WE'RE TALKING MAYBE 50 ACRES IN THE WHOLE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. >> SO IF IT WERE UP TO ME, BUT I'M JUST ONE PERSON, I WOULD SHAKE HANDS WITH YOU AND I'D SAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I REALLY AM SORRY YOU HAD TO SPEND ALL THIS TIME WAITING TO HAVE THIS PRESENTATION. THAT'S JUST NOT MY WORDS BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE SAME RECEPTION YOU RECEIVED AT THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. >> OH, IT IS. WELL, I NEVER GOT ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE OTHER THAN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEMS. NOW, AFTER THE MEETING, I CERTAINLY HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND TELL ME, OH, IF YOU BUILT 70-FOOT LOTS, YOU'D SELL THOSE ALL DAY LONG. WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT MY BUILDERS ARE COMING DOWN HERE TO BUILD. >> RIGHT, AND TO ME, IF THE CITY OF ANGLETON WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF WE WERE TO AGREE UPON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, NOT EVEN JUST THE LOT SIZES, BUT THIS IS A SIZABLE TRACT, 2,400 LOTS TOTAL. I MEAN, YOU REALLY ARE INVITING ALL SORTS OF GROWTH. >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT, IS ITS GROWTH. [04:30:02] >> IS IT? >> I THINK THAT THERE'S A MARKET DOWN HERE. WELL NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THAT MARKET. IT'S TOO SOON TO TELL. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT THE FIRST ONE DOWN HERE WANTING TO DO THIS. I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT. >> BUT YOU'RE GOING TO RELY ON WHAT? WHO'S SITTING IN WATER? WHOSE WATER? >> I AM. >> CAN YOU GET IT CREATED? >> WE'VE GOT A MUD CREATED. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE CALCULUS OF DECIDING HOW MUCH WATER TO BUY FROM BWA OR DO WE DO OUR OWN WATER SYSTEM OR OUR WATER WELL. [OVERLAPPING] YEAH, IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED OUR WASTEWATER DISCHARGE PERMIT. SO IN TERMS OF WATER AND WASTEWATER, WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY FOR ANYTHING. IN FACT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP THE CITY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE WATER PURCHASES MAYBE WITH THE BWA AND THAT'S ALL GOING INTO THIS DECISION-MAKING PHASE. >> HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE COUNTY YET? >> YES, I HAVE. >> WHO DID YOU SPEAK WITH AT THE COUNTY? >> I'VE TALKED WITH COMMISSIONER. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE TALKED TO THE JUDGE AND THEN COMMISSIONER KATE, ABOUT THIS. COMMISSIONER KATE IS, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT HE'S VERY RECEPTIVE OF IT. HE HAS PROPERTY PROBABLY, I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ANCHOR ROAD FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE JUDGE WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY, NOT THRILLED ABOUT THE LOT SIZES. >> RIGHT. >> IT WAS FUNNY IS THAT, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEERS, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR PROJECT AND HOW THEY COULD HELP ABOUT GETTING ACCESS OPPORTUNITY A OR AT LEAST A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION TO TEXTILE. THEN LIKE TWO WEEKS LATER THEY HAD THE ORDINATES CHANGED WITH THE COUNTY FOR 84 LOTS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IN MY UNDERSTANDING, I DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF STAKEHOLDER INPUT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. I HAVE HEARD FROM THE JUDGE AND FROM THE COMMISSIONER THAT IT'S A KNEE-JERK REACTION TO THE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY, NORTH A YEAR. I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT'S MORE OF A RENTAL COMMUNITY. MITCH TELLZY IF YOU LOOK IN THAT PACKET THAT I SENT YOU, I SHOWED YOU WHAT OUR COMMUNITIES LOOK LIKE. WE DO IT THROUGH BUILDER GUIDELINES AND IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO DRIVE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITIES, AND YES, MERCURY MEADOWS IS THE EXACT TEMPLATE THAT I'M TRYING TO EMULATE HERE. LIKE TAKE THAT OUT OF RICHMOND AND PLACE IT RIGHT HERE IN ANGLETON. IT'S A GOOD-LOOKING COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT MASONRY AROUND 75 PERCENT OF THE HOMES, SORT OF WRAPS NICELY. WE'RE SELLING 50 HOMES A MONTH IN THAT PLACE. IT MAY NOT BE THE MARKET HERE IN ANGLETON, I WISH IT WAS, THAT WOULD BE A HOME RUN FOR ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY IF THAT WAS THE CASE. >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS I SAW YOUR PICTURES AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POPPED UP TO ME WAS KENDALL LAKES, THAT'S AN ALVIN RIGHT? THE DEVON STREET HOMES. >> YEAH, WE'VE GOT DEVON STREET HOMES. BUT IT SAYS BUILDER. >> YEAH, BUT ON THE PICTURE IT SAYS KENDALL LAKES. >> THAT'S THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE BUILDING OUT THERE. >> YEAH. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION, THEY HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS OVER THERE WITH THE WAY THAT THE SUBDIVISION WAS DESIGNED. >> OKAY. I'M NOT THE DEVELOPER FOR KENDALL LAKES, I'M THE DEVELOPER FOR MERCURY MEADOWS. >> RIGHT. >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT DURING ALL THE FLOODING, WE NEVER FLOODED, AND IT WAS BY DESIGN. >> THAT'S TRUE. >> GOOD ENGINEERING. WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR DRAINAGE RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE AREA AND IN FORT BEND COUNTY, WE DESIGNED TO A DRAINAGE STANDARD CALLED ATLAS 14, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS ADOPTED HERE IN MISSOURI. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT WE INTEND TO DESIGN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S COUNTED, EVENTUALLY, MIGHT AS WELL DESIGN TO IT. >> JOHN'S HAD TO BE PICKED OUT. AT LEAST WE'RE HERE. BUT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR SUBDIVISION ORDINATES, CORRECT? >> IT WITHIN THE COUNTY, UNLESS, THE COUNTY GRANTS A VARIANCE. >> WHICH THEY WON'T. [LAUGHTER] I'M PRETTY SURE THEY WON'T. >> I MEAN, YOU WERE HERE WHEN COMMISSIONER LINDER SPOKE EARLIER. >> YES, I WAS. I HEARD IT LOUD AND CLEAR. >> OKAY. >> BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DON'T PUT ANY HOMES IN THAT SELECTED 50 ACRES. MAYBE WE JUST PUT ALL THE TENSION IN THAT AREA. IF THE COUNTY IS THAT ADAMANT ABOUT IT. >> IT JUST SEEMS DISINGENUOUS THING. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD BE NEGOTIATING AROUND THINGS. [04:35:04] >> WELL, I'M NOT NEGOTIATING AROUND THINGS. IF THERE'S AN ORDINANCE PREVENTING ME FROM DOING A SIZE LOT THAT I WANT, THEN THE OBVIOUS THING AND THE REASON I DON'T WANT THOSE IN THE COUNTY IS BECAUSE OF A KNEE-JERK REACTION OF THE ROAD. BUT IF I CAN'T GET A VARIANCE, THEN I'LL JUST DO DETENTION IN THERE AND THERE'S NO STREETS AT THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT AND MAINTAIN ALL THE DETENTION IS MAINTAINED BY THE MUD. AGAIN, I COME TO YOU HEART IN HAND, AND IF THE CITY OF ANGLETON DOESN'T WANT ME HERE, THEN I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GO AGAINST THE CITY COUNCIL'S WISHES. THIS IS ME GAUGING THE HEADWINDS THAT I HAVE. >> I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE. OUR PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF 45-FOOT HOMES. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >> YOU HAVE UNSOLD 45-FOOT HOMES HERE THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YES. I MEAN, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SOLD. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'VE BEEN BUILT, [NOISE] BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SOLD. YOU SAY THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS BEARING, AND YOU'RE USING THE HOUSTON MARKET AS A GAUGE WHEN BETWEEN US AND HOUSTON IS PEARLAND, MANVILLE, IOWA COUNTY OR IOWA COLONY, WHICH HAS ALL NEW SUBDIVISIONS GOING FOR AT LEAST 60-FOOT, 70, OR 80-FOOT LOTS. >> I AGREE TO THAT, BUT THEN AGAIN, THEY'RE CLOSER TO HOUSTON. [OVERLAPPING] PROBABLY THE BUYER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS MARKET IS SOMEBODY THAT WORKS IN AROUND THIS AREA LIKE JACKSON OR [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN MAYBE HAS ANOTHER PERSON IN THE HOUSEHOLD THAT THEY MAY BE A TEACHER, MAYBE WORK IN PEARLAND OR MAYBE WORK IN [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT COMMUTE TO HOUSTON. [OVERLAPPING] BOTH MY PARENTS, GROWING UP, COMMUTED TO HOUSTON. >> I CAN AGREE. I THINK THE TOLL ROAD IS OPENED UP THIS PART OF THE WORLD IN EXPANSION. IT'S AMAZING. I CAN'T DICTATE WHAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO BE. I'VE SEEN COMMUNITIES DO THE SAME THING WHERE THEY'VE DICTATED A CERTAIN LOT MINIMUM. TAKE ROSENBERG, FOR EXAMPLE, AND NOW THEY'RE BACKTRACKING OFF OF THAT BECAUSE THE LAND PRICE IS GETTING SO HIGH, AND LAND PRICE TRANSLATES INTO A LOT PRICE EVENTUALLY. [OVERLAPPING] IT ALL FLOWS THROUGH THAT. WHAT THE BUILDERS ARE DOING NOW IS THEY'VE GOT A BIG LOT. WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO BUILD A SMALLER HOUSE ON THAT BIGGER LOT, AND SO YOUR TAX BASE ESSENTIALLY GOES DOWN. I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THESE SLIDES I SHOW YOU WHAT YOU TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S JUST FULL OF 45-FOOT LOTS, IT'S PROBABLY IN TERMS OF TAXABLE VALUE ADDS THE MOST. BUT NOBODY WANTS TO GO OUT TO A 900 OR THOUSAND-ACRE COMMUNITY AND LOOK OUT AND SEE THE SAME LOTS. YOU'D WANT A MIXTURE OF LOTS. WHAT THAT MIXTURE IS, I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU IT'S HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS THE 45S. >> BUT THAT'S NOT A MIXTURE. FORTY-FOUR PERCENT, THAT'S WHAT YOUR BUILDERS ARE TELLING YOU THOUGH, RIGHT? ITS 44 PERCENT IS WHAT JOHN SAYS 45-FOOT LOTS. [OVERLAPPING] HE'S SAYING ANOTHER 44 PERCENT IS 50-FOOT LOTS. YOU TRY TO TELL US THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND I'M NOT SAYING THE COST DIFFERENCE ISN'T THERE FOR FIVE EXTRA FEET. BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEE FIVE EXTRA FEET. >> WELL, THEY DO IF $24,000 OR $11,000 MAKES OR BREAKS THEM BUYING A HOME. THERE'S A SLIDE IN THERE THAT SHOWS YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT FIVE FOOT MEANS. >>I SAW IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR BREAKDOWN. I'M SAYING, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT'S A VARIETY, THAT'S NOT A VARIETY. YOU CAN'T TELL ME 45 FEET AND 50 FEET, AND 90 PERCENT OF THE SUBDIVISION IS A VARIETY. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT, THAT'S NOT A VARIETY. THAT'S VARIETY OF PRICE POINT, THAT'S NOT A VARIETY OF SIZE LOTS. IT'S NOT A VARIETY. >> THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I'M HERE, IS WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE ANGLETON OR TO THIS COUNCIL? IT'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, WHETHER IT'S ZERO PERCENT, 45-FOOT LOTS, OR 25 PERCENT OR 50 PERCENT, ETC. [04:40:01] BUT I HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GO BACK AND MARKET TO MY BUILDERS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE HOUSTON AREA, BASED ON THOSE PREVIOUS SLIDES THAT I SHOWED. >> [NOISE] I REALLY BELIEVE THIS. WHETHER YOU WANT A BIG ANGLETON OR SMALL ANGLETON, THEY DON'T WANT HOUSTON. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THIS IS NOT ME. I KNOW PEOPLE THINK I'M A HARDLINER, THAT I WANT NO GROWTH. THAT'S NOT TRUE. I'M TRYING TO BE SMART WITH OUR GROWTH. I'M TRYING TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRESENTLY HERE. >> OUR RESOURCES. >> OUR RESOURCES, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE JUST LITERALLY COVERED, WE'VE COVERED WATER, WE'VE COVERED ROADS. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE WORKING ON MAJOR ISSUES. WHETHER ANGLETON IS 20,000 OR ANGLETON IS DOUBLED IN SIZE IN 10 YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE RAPID GROWTH, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING WITH 40,000 PEOPLE, STILL DON'T WANT HOUSTON. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND DO COMMUTE TO HOUSTON, THERE'S A REASON THEY COME BACK IN THE EVENINGS AND LIVE IN ANGLETON. >> I UNDERSTAND. A GOOD BUDDY OF MINE HAD A HOUSE IN HERITAGE OAKS, WHICH WE ALL HEARD A LOT ABOUT. MY KIDS, WE DID THE HALLOWEEN PARADE IN THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S GREAT AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ALLURE AND COMPLETELY. I'M JUST SAYING, AND SOMEBODY SAID THAT EARLIER, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IT WAS, BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD THAT HOME. WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD IS WHAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU GUYS TODAY. >> I FEEL LIKE THIS MAYOR HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB, SEARCHING FOR AND PROVIDING AFFORDABLE, HEALTHY HOMES. WE HAVE A GROUP RIGHT OVER HERE. THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO US AND JUST A FEW MINUTES WHEN YOU'RE DONE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US, GUESS WHAT WE'RE BUILDING FOR, AFFORDABLE HOMES. FIRST-TIME BUYERS, 45-FOOT LOTS. THEY'VE ALREADY BROKEN GROUND, BUT THEY'RE ARE 50S. I'M SORRY [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER]. THEY ARE 50S, BUT THEY HAVE SAID WHAT YOU STOOD AND TOLD US VERY SIMILAR [OVERLAPPING] PITCH AND SO HAS TIBER AND SO HAS [BACKGROUND] WINROSE. I FEEL LIKE OUR COUNCIL HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE PLANS THAT ARE IN PLACE CURRENTLY TO HAVE THAT STARTER HOME OR THE ENDER HOME. SOME PEOPLE WANT TO DOWNSIZE, I GET THAT TOO. SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH YARDS. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S POPULAR TOO [LAUGHTER] IN MODERN SOCIETY. I'M ONE OF THEM, I GET IT. THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEIR NAME, AND I JUST SEE MORE OF THE SAME, AND I DON'T SEE THE VARIETY. VARIETY FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE BUT NOT VARIETY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. >> I UNDERSTAND. WELL, LET ME TELL YOU REALLY QUICK LITTLE STORY AND THEN I'LL SHUT UP. YOU ALL CAN GIVE ME WHATEVER YOU GOT AND SO ON. WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION IN KATY. IT'S CALLED TRAILS IN KATY. WHEN WE STARTED THIS DEVELOPMENT DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE OIL BAN, EVERYBODY WANTED BIG, HUGE LOTS. WE CREATED THIS COMMUNITY. WELL, GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? THE OTHER BOTTOM FELL OFF OF THE MARKET. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THOSE 75 FOOT HOMES WERE JUST SITTING ON THE MARKET FOR A LONG TIME. WE HAD TO PIVOT AND WE STARTED DOWN, STARTED USING SMALLER LOTS AND SMALLER LOTS UNTIL WE FOUND THE SWEET SPOT. IT WAS A 60. WE BUILD SOME 45S IN THERE BUT THE SWEET SPOT WAS A 60. I THINK THE TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE FOLLOW THE MARKET. WE BUILT WHAT THE MARKET WANTED US TO BUILD, AND AS SUCH, THE COMMUNITY WAS ACCESSIBLE. I THINK NOBODY WOULD WANT SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND START DEVELOPING A NEIGHBORHOOD, KNOW THE HOME SELLS, THE DEVELOPER GOES BANKRUPT, AND WALKS AWAY, AND YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF WHAT WE CALL DEADWOOD LOTS SITTING OUT THERE. UNDEVELOPED, UNSOLD LOTS THAT AREN'T MOWED, AREN'T CARED FOR, AND IT'S AN EYESORE. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW THE MARKET IN THAT RESPECT. NOW, MR. TOWNSEND, RIGHT NOW, IT CAN BE HEAVILY 45S, AS YOU SAID AND I HEARD, THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPER SAYING THAT MAYBE 60S. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> ARE COMING BUT I ALSO HEARD HIM SAID IT'S NOT THERE NOW. I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. [04:45:03] I THINK THERE'S A PLACE FOR 60S. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A PLACE JUST FOR 60S. >> I WOULD AGREE BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH ALREADY IN PROCESS THAT'S 45. I THINK HE'S RIGHT. I THINK THERE IS A MARKET FOR 60 RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE BEING OFFERED RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GETTING [OVERLAPPING] NOTHING BUT 45S, 50S, 55. >> THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I'M NOT TELLING YOU, I'M GOING TO BUILD ALL 45 OF LOTS. I'M HERE TO SAY I NEED THE ABILITY TO GIVE IT NOT ALL 45 OF LOTS BUT I NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO A MIX, AND START THE GROUND FLOORS AT 45. IF THAT IS NOT DIVISION OF THIS COUNCIL, THEN THAT'S NOT DIVISION OF THE COUNCIL. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD AND SPEND ANY MORE TIME AND MONEY. >> SURE. >> IF I DON'T HAVE TO. >> I FEEL LIKE IT'S CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ASKING TO ANNEX YOU. THEREFORE, YOU WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE COUNTY STANDARDS. IT WOULD BE PREMATURE FOR US TO SAY, YEAH, 45S ARE GREAT AND THE COUNTY SAYS, NO, YOU'RE ON THE COUNTY. YOU'VE GOT TO FOLLOW OUR SUBDIVISION. >> WELL, AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY A SLIVER OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS WITHIN THE COUNTY AND WOULD BE LIABLE TO RENDER THEIR JURISDICTION, THE ETJS. >> IF YOU'RE NOT INSIDE THE CITY, EVEN IF YOU'RE ALREADY IN ETJ, YOU'RE STILL WITHIN THE COUNTY STANDARDS. >> NO, I'M IN THE CITY'S ORDINATES CARRIES OUT TO THE ETJ. I'M ALMOST CERTAIN OF THAT. >> IN THE ETJ, THE CITY HAS EXTENDED ITS SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS INTO THE ETJ. >> SURE. >> THERE'S A LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN SIGNED BY THE COUNTY AS TO WHAT PARTICULAR ASPECTS OF COUNTY REGULATIONS APPLY TO SUBDIVISIONS IN THE ETJ. THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT REMAINS OUTSTANDING REGARDING THE COUNTY'S DO SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS BECAUSE THEY GO BEYOND IN MY OPINION, WHAT THAT INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT ALLOWS THEM TO DO. IN THE ETJ, UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED IN THAT INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT, IT'S THE CITY STANDARDS THAT APPLY WHETHER IT'S ANNEXED OR NOT. >> OKAY. >> I DON'T MEAN TO BE LABOR OR ANYTHING, I'M THINKING THREE COUNCILMAN HERE THAT THEY'RE NOT EXCITED [LAUGHTER] ABOUT 45 FOOT LOTS TO SAY THE LEAST. >> I'LL JUST CHIME IN HERE. [NOISE] I REPRESENT MYSELF PLUS EVERYBODY IN THIS TOWN. YOU'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF COMMENTS TONIGHT. I HAVE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE ELECTED ME, WHETHER I LIKE WHAT THEY LIKE OR NOT. >> CERTAINLY. >> THAT'S MY CHALLENGE. TODAY, THEIR TOWN IS PREDOMINANTLY SF6 AND SF7S; SINGLE-FAMILY 6 AND SINGLE-FAMILY 7. TODAY, WE HAVE A 660 LOT SUBDIVISION IN THE ETJ THAT WERE PROVIDING SERVICES FOR GLEN ROSE. ONE WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT IS 500 AND SOME ADD LOTS, OTHER ONES ENTAIL. VARIOUS SUBDIVISIONS HERE IN TOWN HAS BEEN ONE HOUSE BUILT ON THESE LOTS. THERE'S CLOSE TO 2,000 LOTS IN THE PLANNING STAGES ARE COMPLETED, SUBDIVISION IS COMPLETED. THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE HAS GOT SUBDIVISION THAT JUST GOT TO PUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND HADN'T BUILT A HOUSE YET. I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND TELL SOMEBODY WHAT SIZE OF LOT THEY CAN LIVE ON BUT HONESTLY, WE'RE COVERED UP WITH THIS LAW UNTIL WE SEE IT MOVING. I HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING YOU, YOUR EFFORTS. >> NO, LISTEN, I WOULD RATHER THIS CONVERSATION HAPPEN NOW AS OPPOSED TO NOVEMBER WHEN I'VE CLOSED ON THIS PROPERTY AND I CAN'T DO WHAT I WANTED TO DO WITH IT. AGAIN, THIS CONVERSATION GOES INTO MY DECISION-MAKING PROCESS, WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT OR NOT. I'M A BIG BELIEVER AND I STILL BELIEVE IN THE MARKET. I'VE TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO GET A COMMUNITY GOING DOWN HERE BECAUSE [04:50:04] MY BUDDY LIVED DOWN HERE WAS ALWAYS ON ME ABOUT WE NEEDED SOME NEW HOMES. THAT I THINK I'M HEARING, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG AND IF I AM, EXCUSE ME. I'M FEELING SOME HEADWINDS ABOUT THE 45S. NOW THAT BEING SAID, NOT TO BELABOR THIS POINT, BUT IS THERE ANY PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU COULD SEE BEING 45-FOOT LOTS OR 50-FOOT LOTS? WHAT I'M HEARING THIS COUNCIL SAY BY PEOPLE SHAKING THEIR HEADS IS 60 IS THE MINIMUM RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO STAY WITH. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IF I JUST MAY JUST CHIME IN. [LAUGHTER] FRANCES, WILL YOU PULL UP PAGE NUMBER 630 ON THERE? I THINK IT'S A FEW SLIDES AWAY FROM THAT ONE. PEOPLE KNOW WHAT MY POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I BELIEVE WE'VE GOTTEN THERE. JUST TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW, JUST THE HARD NUMBERS THAT I LOOK AT. THIS HELPS MAKE SOME OF MY DECISION-MAKING. [BACKGROUND] THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE INTEREST RATE 3.5, 6.5. IF YOU MAKE X AMOUNT, THIS WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD. [BACKGROUND] I JUST DID A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, REACHED OUT TO SOME OF MY FRIENDS AND SOME OF THESE EMPLOYERS. JUST GOT A WHOLE NUMBER HERE, JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD KNOW. CERTAINLY, WE'D BE THE DEAD HORSE. I JUST WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW. THIS IS WHAT I LOOK AT. THIS IS HOW I KNOW HOW I GET TO WHERE I'M AT, IS THROUGH AFFORDABILITY. WHAT'S HERE? WHO WORKS HERE? WHO LIVES HERE? WHO'S TRYING TO COME HERE? WHO ARE BIGGEST EMPLOYERS? WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE? WE'RE A BLUE-COLLAR COMMUNITY, MOST OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OF THE CHEMICAL PLANTS. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH THAT. >> WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS HERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD MIXTURE HERE, BUT JUST TO SAY THAT WE'RE ALL A BUNCH OF CHARACTERS IS NOT. [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, YOU'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT JUST TOTALLY THAT, BUT WHAT I LOOK AT TOO IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST EMPLOYERS IS HERE IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, [BACKGROUND] THE COUNTY. THEY'RE ONE OF OUR BIG ONES AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR CHEMICAL COMPLEXES. TODAY, A TEACHER STARTING OUT IN ANGLETON ISD, I JUST APPROVED IT, I THINK THE OTHER NIGHT, ZERO EXPERIENCE, $56,000. THAT'S WHAT THEY MAKE A YEAR. NOW, IF THEY'RE DOUBLE INCOME, MAYBE THEY MET EACH OTHER, MAYBE THEY'RE SPOUSES MET IN COLLEGE. THEY'RE BOTH TEACHERS. NOW, THEY ARE PROBABLY AT $110,000 COMBINED INCOME. A NEW GRADUATE NURSE, NEVER BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL BEFORE EXCEPT FOR OUR CLINICALS, $65,000 A YEAR IS WHAT UTMB WOULD START THEIR NEW NURSES OUT AT. YOU'RE TALKING 65,000. AN OPERATOR, AND I CAN JUST SPEAK FOR IT FOR WHERE I COME FROM OUT THERE, THEY START BETWEEN $30-35 AN HOUR. NOW YOU'RE 60,000, SO THAT'S THEIR INCOME LEVEL. WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE INCOME LEVELS HERE, AND THEN WHAT'S BEING BUILT. IF I MAKE $80,000 A YEAR, I CAN AFFORD A $300,000 HOME AT 3.5 INTEREST RATE. THAT'S A NICE LIVING. THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME WITH 300,000. THAT'S ON THOSE 45S AND 40S, MAYBE SOME 50S IF YOU CAN GET THERE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD. [BACKGROUND] BUT THEN IF I MAKE 125,000 COMBINED INCOME, I MAY BE ABLE TO GET TO A $550,000 HOME. WE ALL KNOW THE INTEREST RATES DO THIS. IF WE START TO SPIKE. NOW THAT PERSON MAKING $80,000 WILL NOW HAVE TO MAKE ALMOST 125, AND I'M GOING BY YOUR FIGURES. I'VE BEEN TOLD THIS LOOSELY BY SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS. NOW, THEY CAN ONLY AFFORD A $300,000 HOME. WE CAN SEE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHO'S IN THE AREA AND WHO MAY WE BE TARGETING IS MAYBE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T MAKE QUITE SIX FIGURES, BUT THEY'RE THERE. SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, THAT'S NOT CHUMP CHANGE. THAT'S A DECENT WAGE. I THINK OUR OFFICERS HERE IN THE CITY, 45,000-40,000 A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT THEY MAKE. AN OFFICER IN OUR COMMUNITY MAY NOT EVEN BE AVAILABLE TO AFFORD [BACKGROUND] A NEW HOME, IF THEY WOULD LIKE, ON A 45 OR A 40. THAT'S WHERE SOME OF MY PASSION COMES FROM. I KNOW IT'S A DENSITY. I KNOW IT'S ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE TOO, BUT I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE STILL OFFERING SOME OF THAT. NOW, THESE GUYS ARE RIGHT. IT'S TAKEN 2-3 YEARS TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE AT. WE HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE HOME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHAT'S OVER ON HOSPITAL DRIVE, THAT'S TAKEN OFF. ROSEWOOD TOOK OFF AND SO THERE'S 100 HOMES RIGHT THERE THAT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE, WE'VE BUILT ON 47-45 FOOT LOT. WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT ACTIVITY. WE KNOW IT'S THERE. WE KNOW WHO CAN MAYBE GET IN THERE. I'M JUST LETTING GUYS KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I COME FROM AS I LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY BE IN OUR AREA. NOW IT'S GREAT. WE HAVE SOME DOCTORS, SOME ATTORNEYS, ENGINEERS, MID-LEVEL MANAGERS FROM BIG CORPORATIONS, YOU'D LOVE TO HAVE THEM. [04:55:01] THAT'S A HIGHER INCOME THAT BRINGS OUR INCOME LEVEL TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT MUCH MORE, BRINGS THEIR RETAIL IN. BUT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF MY PASSION COMES FROM, IS LOOKING AT THOSE INDIVIDUALS TOO WHO WORK HARD, HAVE A GOOD INCOME. IT'S NOT PROBABLY THE BEST, BUT IT'S STILL A FAIRLY DECENT INCOME. HOW CAN WE GET THEM INTO A NEW HOME? BECAUSE WE'VE ALL HEARD THE CONVERSATION. MEN, YOU CAN BUY AN APARTMENT HERE IN ANGLETON FOR $1,200-1,300, BUT YOU CAN MAYBE GET A HOME. THEY GOT TO GO BACK AND FORTH. I'VE HAD TO SIT BACK AND REFLECT A LOT, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE AT. I KNOW WE FUSS AND CUSS, AND GETTING UPSET, AND WALK AWAY FROM THIS TABLE, BUT THAT'S WHERE MY PASSION COMES FROM, IS LOOKING AT EVERYBODY WHO IS THAT NEW GRAD ALL THE WAY TO THAT SUPER HIGH PROFESSIONAL THAT MAY HAVE MD BEHIND THEIR NAME, HAVE ATTORNEY BEHIND THEIR NAME, ENGINEERING STAMP BEHIND THEIR NAME, BUT ALSO LOOK AT THAT OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC SIDE. ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MAYBE THE MANAGER AT WALMART. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S JUST WHERE MY PASSION COMES FROM WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT THIS. WE TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE. HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN NOW SEE WHERE SOME OF US STAY IN, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL, GOT THE NUMBER 8 BALL HERE. WHAT'S IT GOING TO TELL US? IS IT WORTH IT? WE DON'T KNOW. LIKE COUNCIL BOOTH SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. WHO KNOWS? WE MAY TAKE OFF LIKE WILDFIRE, AND THESE HOUSES THAT ARE HERE, THAT ARE PLATTED, THEY MAY TAKE OFF, AND WE'LL MEET EXPECTATIONS. [BACKGROUND] I HOPE THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. IT COULD BE AT BUST. IT COULD GO THE OTHER WAY, LIKE YOU SAID, COULD GO 60, 70, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. WE'VE DONE AN ASSESSMENT. WE'VE LOOKED AT LOT SIZE HERE. WE'VE GOT A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS ALL THE PERCENTAGES OF VARIOUS LOTS FROM 45 ALL WAY UP TO 90 PLUS. RIGHT NOW, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD MIXTURE. IS IT OVER SATURATED? I COULDN'T TELL YOU. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT MY BACKGROUND EXPERTISE. >> WE DON'T KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] >> NOBODY REALLY KNOWS, SO APPRECIATE YOU COMING. WE APPRECIATE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU HEARD CONVERSATIONS FROM THE GUYS. THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH JUST FOR HOW I FEEL, MY COMPASSION, WHERE IT COMES FROM. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S TIME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WOULD RIDE ALONG. [NOISE] >> AT 11, 15, AND NINE. >> THIRTEEN. WE'RE DONE WITH 13. FOURTEEN, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH [14. Discussion and possible action on a development agreement with Greystone Angleton, LLC. for the Greystone Subdivision project.] GRAYSTONE ANGLETON LLC FOR THE GRAYSTONE SUBDIVISION PROJECT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I THINK THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE AN EASY ONE. WE'VE GOT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE'VE WORKED ON. THIS IS AGAIN FOR THE GRAYSTONE DEVELOPMENT. WHILE I DON'T SEE THE DEVELOPER, MR. RED JAPLIN HERE, HE HAS SIGNED HIS PORTION OF THE AGREEMENT, AS WELL AS PAID HIS CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEES, AND PARKWAY AND DEDICATION FEES IN LIEU AS OF MAY 25TH. WITH THE FEES PAID AND HIS SIGNATURE ON THE AGREEMENTS, I'M ASKING YOUR PERMISSION TO ENTER THIS AGREEMENT WITH MR. JAPLIN. >> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE DEVELOPERS' AGREEMENT OF GRAYSTONE ANGLETON LLC FOR THE GRAYSTONE SUBDIVISION PROJECT. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. WE RIDE ALONG, NUMBER 15, [15. Discussion and possible action on a development agreement with Waterstone Development Group, LLC. for the Kiber Reserve project, waiver of the preliminary acceptance of public improvements, and public improvement acceptance.] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH WATERSTONE DEVELOPMENT GROUP, LLC FOR THE KIBER RESERVE PROJECT WAIVER OF THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ACCEPTANCE. MS. LINDSAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE KIBER SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE WORKED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT'S BEEN VETTED THROUGH LEGAL. WHILE THIS AGENDA ITEM IS MULTILAYERED, I'LL EXPLAIN IT WITH OF COURSE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY HERE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ACCEPTANCE, BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE A PUNCH LIST, WALKED THE PROJECT WITH PUBLIC WORKS, THE CONTRACTOR, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE PUNCH LIST WERE REMEDIATED. WE DO, AS A STAFF, RECOMMEND IT FOR PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE. JUST LIKE WE DID FOR THE GRAYSTONE DEVELOPMENTS, WE'RE REQUESTING A WAIVER OF THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE WITH THE ONE-YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND. INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE CONTRACTOR'S ONE-YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND IN ADDITION TO THE ENGINEER'S LETTER OF NO OBJECTION, AND PASSING BACK TO YOU REPORTS, RECORD DRAWINGS, AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO ACCEPT THESE IMPROVEMENTS FOR PHASE 1 OF THE PROJECT, [05:00:01] AND THAT INCLUDES 45 HOMES. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCIL. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I KNOW IT'S LATE IN THE NIGHT. >> DID YOU GET WHO WANTS TO DO THIS? >> YES. [NOISE] >> I'LL CALL ONE MORE TIME. IS THERE ANY ACTION COMING OFF OF WITH THIS ITEM? >> MAYOR, I MOVE THIS WEEK'S APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN WATERSTONE DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND CITY OF ANGLETON AND ACCEPT THE WAIVER OF PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WITH ONE YEAR OF MAINTENANCE MODEL AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR PHASE 1 AS PRESENTED BY MS. LINDSAY. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> EXCUSE ME. I DO BELIEVE THE DEVELOPER WHO IS HERE TONIGHT WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. >> OKAY. HOLD IT THERE. GO AHEAD, MR. VON SCHMIDT. >> THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND] >> WELL, WE'VE TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET HERE. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HELP AND REMEMBER IT'S 50 BUT NOT 45. [LAUGHTER] I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF HAS DONE AND WHAT COUNCIL'S DONE FOR US AND COUNCIL'S DONE. BUT HONESTLY, I HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ABOUT THE ACCEPTANCE AND THEY'RE PROCEDURAL PROBLEMS. IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS ISSUED TO ANOTHER SUBDIVISION. THAT SUBDIVISION WAS THE GIFFORD MEADOWS, WHICH BY THE WAY IS 45. THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MIRRORED WHAT WE WERE NEGOTIATING WITH THE CITY AT OUR APRIL 21ST DOG MEETING. WE LEFT THAT MEETING. WE DIDN'T GET THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO ADD, BUT IT WAS A DOABLE DEAL AND THE CITY WAS GOING TO MAKE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS TO DO WITH THE CAF FEES AND THE SCHEDULING OF THEM. THEN WE GOT BACK THIS CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT ADDED PARAGRAPH 1.11, WHICH IS ABOUT HOA OVERSIGHT BY THE CITY. IF COUNCIL WOULD LOOK AT PAGE 4 OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR AT LEAST IT'S PAGE 4, BUT 1.11. THIS TALKS ABOUT THE CITY HAVING THE ABILITY TO TAKE OVER THE HOA IF IT GOES INSOLVENT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. [NOISE] BUT THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, "THE CITY AND SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY GRANTED BY THE ASSOCIATION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE AND COLLECT MAINTENANCE FEES AND OTHER NECESSARY FEES AND ASSESSMENTS TO FURTHER THE UPKEEP OF THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS AS STIPULATED HEREIN AND DEEMED NECESSARY BY THE CITY." IN ESSENCE, WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS THAT THE CITY COULD STEP IN IF THE HOA FAILS AND ASSESS MAINTENANCE FEES THAT IT FEELS ARE NECESSARY. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, AS MOST OF YOU WHO'VE GOT MORTGAGES KNOW THAT PART OF THE EQUATION OF A MORTGAGE IS HOW MUCH ARE YOUR TAXES, HOW MUCH IS YOUR INSURANCE, HOW MUCH ARE ALL THESE THINGS? THE WAY DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE WRITTEN, I REMEMBER I HAD DONE THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE, [05:05:01] IS THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS USUALLY HAVE A CLAUSE THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T BE RAISED ANY MORE THAN 10 PERCENT IN ANY ONE GIVEN YEAR. THAT'S TO GIVE CERTAINTY TO THESE MORTGAGE COMPANIES. WITH THIS OPEN-ENDED LANGUAGE, A MORTGAGE COMPANY WOULD HAVE TROUBLE, BUT LET ME GO ON FURTHER. PARAGRAPH B SAYS, "THE ARTICLES OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION SHOULD REQUIRE HOMEOWNERS ASSESSMENTS SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE ANNUAL NECESSARY COST OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CALCULATED BY THE CITY ENGINEER." I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK EVERY YEAR AND DISCUSSING AND SPENDING ENGINEERING TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT COSTS TO MAINTAIN A SUBDIVISION. THESE ARE UNUSUAL THINGS THAT WE DON'T SEE IN OTHER CITIES. AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN LIVE WITH, BUT IT'S FOLLOWED BY, "AND SHALL PROVIDE THAT THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO SUBORDINATION TO MORTGAGE LENDERS." WHAT THAT MEANS IS THIS LANGUAGE IS SAYING THAT THE HOA LIEN IS PRIMARY, NOT SECONDARY. I HAVE LETTERS FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S HEARD OF QUICKEN MORTGAGE. THEY ABSOLUTELY SAY, "IN ORDER FOR US TO OFFER FINANCING ON THE HOME, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN FIRST LIEN POSITION. NO WAY AROUND THAT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO REACH BACK OUT TO ME." I'VE SPOKEN TO MULTIPLE MORTGAGE COMPANIES AND NOT ONE OF THEM WILL WRITE A MORTGAGE IF THEY'RE NOT THE PRIMARY LIEN. THEY DON'T WANT TO SECOND POSITION BECAUSE OF A LOT OF TECHNICALITIES. I KNOW THAT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THIS PARAGRAPH. IT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY WAS INTENDING TO DO, BUT WE CAN GO FURTHER. THE HUD GUIDELINES SAY THAT THEY WILL ONLY PERMIT INFERIOR LIENS. YOU CAN'T TAKE AND SELL YOUR PAPERWORK TO HUD. [NOISE] WE FEEL THAT THIS PARAGRAPH, THE LAST THING IS IT SAYS THAT THEY WANT THE CITY'S POSITION IS THEY WANT THE HOA TO MAINTAIN A 200 PERCENT SURETY BOND. I'M NOT SURE IF MOST OF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH HOW DIFFICULT SURETY BONDS ARE TO GET. BUT IF THE POA WHO HAS NO ASSETS HAS TO MAINTAIN A SURETY BOND OF 200 PERCENT OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY COLLECT AND HAVE IN THEIR ACCOUNTS, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GUARANTEE THE SURETY BOND, THEREFORE, IT'S GOING TO GET REJECTED. SINCE IT'S REJECTED, IT BECOMES AN ITEM OF DEFAULT AND THE CITY CAN TAKE OVER THE HOA. THE ONLY WAY TO GET AROUND THIS WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE SIX OF YOU LIVED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'D BE A GOOD THING, AND YOU'D BECAME THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. YOU'D HAVE TO PLEDGE YOUR [NOISE] OWN PERSONAL ASSETS TO ACCUMULATE ENOUGH WEALTH TO GET A SURETY BOND. WE THINK THAT THIS IS AN UNWORKABLE SITUATION. IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS NOT REALLY NECESSARY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS LANGUAGE IN ANY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EVER. IT'S ALL BRAND NEW. WE THOUGHT WE GOT THIS BACK IN EARLY OR LATE MAY OR EARLY JUNE, THAT IT WOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO DO WITH THE WAY THE CAF FEES ARE PAID AND THAT WOULD BE IT. AGAIN, GIFFORD MEADOWS DOES NOT HAVE PARAGRAPH 1.1 AT ALL IN ITS STRUCTURE. IT WAS SIGNED IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. ALSO, I DO HAVE A LETTER FROM ONE OF OUR BUILDERS. IT'S FIRST AMERICA, WHICH IS A SIGNORELLI COMPANY. IT BASICALLY LAYS OUT THE SAME POSITIONS THAT I JUST LAID OUT. I'LL PROVIDE Y'ALL WITH THIS, BUT IT FINISHES WITH THIS AGREEMENT AS WRITTEN IS A DEATH SENTENCE FOR KIBER RESERVE. GIVEN ALL THESE FACTORS, WE CANNOT ACCEPT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WRITTEN AS IT WILL MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO SELL OUR HOMES. THEREFORE, IF THIS AGREEMENT PASSES SINCE IT RATIFIED IN ITS CURRENT STATE WE'LL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CANCEL OUR CONTRACT. THAT'S HOW SERIOUS THIS IS. WE WANT TO BE BUILDING. OUR CONCRETE IS FINISHED, EVERYTHING'S DONE. IF WE COULD DELETE THIS 1.1 OR [NOISE] THEN WE CAN SIGN THE REST OF THIS AGREEMENT. BUT I DIDN'T WANT Y'ALL ACCEPTING IT BECAUSE WE HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. I ALSO HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM, [05:10:01] IT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY, IS THAT ANOTHER DEVELOPER JUST SIGNED THIS. MY FATHER USED TO TELL ME WHY HE WOULDN'T LET ME GO DO SOMETHING IS BECAUSE IF ALL THE OTHER KIDS JUMPED OFF A CLIFF, WOULD YOU JUMP WITH THEM? WELL, THE TRUTH IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DEVELOPER ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THIS PARAGRAPH SAYS. HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SELL THE HOMES OR ITS BUILDERS WON'T BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET MORTGAGES FOR THEM. WE WOULD ASK THAT THAT PERHAPS BE REMOVED. THE PARAGRAPH 1.11 THAT DOES NOT EXIST IN THE GIFFORD MEADOWS, BUT IT DOES EXIST IN OURS. >> THANK YOU MR. VON SCHMIDT [INAUDIBLE] FOR SOME OF THAT GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION. >> WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST IS THAT THOSE PROVISIONS ARE PERMISSIVE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PARAGRAPH ABOUT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, IT SAYS THAT THE CITY SHALL BUT DOESN'T HAVE TO. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF EXERCISING THE ABILITY TO GO IN IF A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION FAILS TO DO WHATEVER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT DEVELOPMENT WAS EARLIER TONIGHT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THAT HOA WENT DEFUNCT. THIS GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO DO SO. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WHEN I SEND THIS OVER TO THE COUNCIL FOR MR. VON SCHMIDT, I TOLD HIM THAT THIS WAS ADDED IN THERE AND THAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION, BUT NO ONE WANTED TO DISCUSS IT WITH ME. >> OKAY. >> CAN I HAVE A MOMENT? >> WE HAVE. >> GO AHEAD, SIR. >> WE HAVE SENT THIS BACK REDLINED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE DISCUSSION. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS ALSO GIVE THE CITY THE AUTHORITY. WE GRANT YOU THE RIGHT, BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION TO ENFORCE OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS IN OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS. I'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A TOOL THAT WE FIND CITIES CAN USE. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN'T PASS SOME OF THE PARKING ORDINANCES THAT I CAN IMPOSE ON THE PROPERTY. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF ONE OF OUR HOMES FOR MORE THAN I BELIEVE 72 HOURS. WE'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THESE ISSUES. BUT THE ONES THAT I JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT AND THE ONES THAT WILL BE IN THE PACKAGE. WE CAN'T SELL THE HOMES WITH THESE, AND I KNOW COUNCIL SAYS THAT WE WOULDN'T ENGAGE, I TAKE SOME OBJECTION TO THAT. WE SENT BACK RED LINES, AND IN FACT, THOSE RED LINES WERE DELIVERED TO THE CITY. THEN THERE'S A LINE FROM YOUR COUNCIL THAT SAYS, WILL OF THE CITY EXCEPT VON SCHMIDT CHANGES DELETIONS. THESE ARE OUR ISSUES, I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO WILL BE COMING ALONG THAT WILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUES. KEN, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THEM THE PACKAGE THAT STARTS WITH FIRST AMERICAN, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE OUR RED LINE. WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO DESTROY EVERYTHING, BUT AS WRITTEN, WE CANNOT EXECUTE THIS BECAUSE WE CANNOT SELL A HOME. [NOISE] >> THANK YOU. >> [NOISE] WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT SINCE WE GIVE THE CITY THE RIGHT IN OUR DCC HOURS TO ENFORCE OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION. WE'RE HOPING THAT LIKE GIFFORD MEADOWS, THIS ENTIRE 1.11 CAN BE DELETED FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND THEN WE CAN WORK THROUGH. I THINK WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION IN 109, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH CABLE, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. WE CAN VERY QUICKLY RESOLVE THAT AND GET MOVED ON [NOISE] TO THE NEXT STEP. >> OKAY. MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS IT'LL BE FOR STAFF IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. WAS ONE JUST A TEMPLATE? NOW WE'VE JUST GONE BACK AND REVISED THE NEW TEMPLATE OR? >> SIR, YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE A WORK IN THE PROCESS. >> OKAY. >> EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE. >> OKAY. >> BUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT REFERENCED HOA IS IN MORE THAN ONE PLACE BUT DID NOT HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE [NOISE] SETTING FORTH EXACTLY WHAT THE HOA WAS GOING TO DO. I DISCLOSE THAT TO MARK HILL, COUNCIL FOR MR. [05:15:03] VON SCHMIDT, AND I SAID IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT I'M PUTTING THIS IN THERE. AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S VERSION OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN THERE IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO PROTECT THE CITY, THE ABSOLUTE MOST. CITY COUNCIL CERTAINLY HAS THE CAPABILITY OF MODIFYING THAT, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS, BUT WE'RE STANDING HERE NOW AND SITTING HERE NOW BECAUSE THAT DISCUSSION DIDN'T TAKE PLACE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. JUST FOR, I GUESS MY BENEFIT, MAYBE THE COUNCIL'S BENEFIT, WHERE IS NORMALLY THE POSITION OF A CITY WITH AN HOA? BECAUSE WE'VE TOSSED THAT AROUND A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH HOA SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS DESK. BUT WHAT IS THE NORMAL POSITION OF A CITY WHEN IT RELATES TO AN HOA? THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RULES. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH. IT'S UP TO YOU. I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS PROVISION IS IN OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND IT'S IN OTHER CITIES IN FORT BEND COUNTY. YES, I MEAN THAT IT'S NOT ABNORMAL, IT'S CERTAINLY SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION. >> SURE [NOISE]. >> OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT I'M DEALING WITH NOW, IN YOUR CITY, ARE NEGOTIATING THAT PROVISION WITH ME. >> OKAY. >> BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SUCCESSFUL COMMUNICATIONS ON NEGOTIATING THAT. >> GOT YOU. >> ARE THEY JUST NOW THAT, I GUESS SOME HOMEOWNER COULD, WENT TO HIS, I GUESS MORTGAGE COMPANIES AND SAID, "HEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING. THEY REVIEWED IT. THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THEIR POSITION ON WHERE THEY WOULD STAND. I GUESS IN TWO RELATIONS TO HIS DEVELOPMENT." WELL, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ON THE POSITION TO [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, I HAVEN'T READ WHAT HE'S GOT HERE, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT SHOULD THE CITY EXERCISE THEIR OPTION TO ENFORCE EVERYTHING IN THAT PROVISION, THEN THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR POSITION. AGAIN, IT'S PERMISSIVE. THERE'S PERMISSIVE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE TO, BUT A CITY CAN. >> BUT THEY CAN. THEIR POSITION IS THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY COULD TAKE THAT POSITION. >> THAT'S CORRECT. [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHICH WOULD BE THEN SECOND? >> WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE LENDERS ARE SAYING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD BE SECOND IF YOUR INTEREST IS LIMITED TO WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION DIDN'T DO. [OVERLAPPING]. >> SURE, WITH THE HOA FEE. >> [OVERLAPPING] I MEAN, THE LENDER IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY LANDHOLDER, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WOULD BECOME SECONDARY [NOISE]. >> ARE WE BASICALLY SAYING THIS ISN'T REALLY READY? [NOISE] THE DEVELOPER HAS AN ISSUE WITH THIS AGREEMENT, WE SHOULD RESOLVE THIS BEFORE WE TRY TO [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S JUST THIS ONE SECTION, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE [OVERLAPPING] ONE PARAGRAPH OR 1.11. >> I WOULD [NOISE] AGREE IT'S NOT READY AND I WOULD RECOMMEND POSTPONING THIS. >> TO ME [OVERLAPPING] >> NEGOTIATE THIS AT 11:30. >> YEAH. THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO NEGOTIATE [NOISE] >> BUT I'M NOT AGAINST MAKING ANY CHANGE TO IT. >> RIGHT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING EITHER. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M JUST SAYING WE'VE SENT THIS BACK. COUNCIL SENT IT TO THE CITY WITH HER COMMENTS. TO SAY THAT SHE DIDN'T RECEIVE THIS OR WE DIDN'T COMMUNICATE MAY BE A MISUNDERSTANDING. WE'VE POINTED OUT VERY [OVERLAPPING] CLEARLY WHAT MY PROBLEM IS. >> IT'S NOT A MISUNDERSTANDING. NO, DON'T MISPHRASE WHAT I'M SAYING. >> VERY CLEARLY WE SENT THIS BACK TO YOU, CORRECT? >> WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE IS NO [OVERLAPPING] EFFECTIVE NEGOTIATION. >> DID YOU SEND IT? WE'VE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE. >> MR. CHARLES. I SEE YOU'RE FRUSTRATED, SO LET'S JUST SEE IF WE CAN. CHRIS, WILL YOU HELP US GET THIS SQUARED AWAY HERE? OBVIOUSLY, IT'S ONE PARAGRAPH WE NEED TO GET RECTIFIED. LET'S PROTECT US, PROTECT HIM. IF YOU CAN HELP US WITH THAT. >> SIR, I RECOMMEND WE POSTPONE IT AND GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND RESOLVE THIS. >> SIR, CAN WE HAVE IT BACK BY [OVERLAPPING] THE NEXT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS? BY NEXT WEEK, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOCK IT OUT. >> SOUNDS LIKE IT. >> SEEMS LIKE IT. SEEM REASONABLE. >> I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. >> OKAY. >> IT JUST SEEMS TO ME WHEN I READ IT, I'M NOT SURE IT SAYS WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT SAYS. JUST MY LEGAL MIND HERE, BUT I THINK THAT MAYBE IF WE CLEAN UP THE VERBIAGE A LITTLE, MAYBE THAT MAKES IT SO THEY UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE I DIDN'T CARE, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE READING IT THE RIGHT WAY. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. [BACKGROUND] I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN RESOLVE, SO LET'S GET THERE AND [OVERLAPPING] SEE IF WE CAN [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S ALL WE ASK. >> I'LL JUST SAY, CAN WE HAVE IT ON THE NEXT MEETING, TWO WEEKS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. [NOISE] THANK YOU, MR. VON SCHMIDT. [05:20:01] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I GUESS I NEED TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION. >> OKAY. >> YES. >> HE WITHDRAWS HIS MOTION. >> LET'S SEE. I LOST MY PLACE AND THOUGHT HERE. NUMBER 16, DISCUSS ON PARTIAL ACTION ON ACCEPTANCE OF THE RIVERWOOD RANCH SECTION ONE, [16. Discussion and possible action on the acceptance of the Riverwood Ranch Section One (1) subdivision public improvements.] SUBDIVISION PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT [BACKGROUND]. >> [BACKGROUND] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. >> IT'S ALMOST MORNING [LAUGHTER]. >> RIVERWOOD RANCH, SECTION 1, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ACCEPTANCE. STAFF, PUBLIC WORKS, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE CONTRACTOR, ENGINEERING, AND CONSULTANT. WE'VE WORKED THE PROJECT AND DEVELOPED THE PUNCH LIST. FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE REMEDIATION EFFORTS MADE TO RESOLVE ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES. WITH THE EXCEPTANCE OF ONE THING, AND THAT IS THE SLOPE ON THE POND WHICH SHOULD BE COMPLETED THIS WEEK. I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT BACK. THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD DRAWINGS ANYWAY. WHAT WE HAVE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT WITH THE PRELIMINARY WAIVER ACCEPTANCE REQUEST WITH THE ONE-YEAR MAINTENANCE BONDS. YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE CONTRACTOR'S BOND AND WE WILL ALSO FOLLOW UP WITH THE POND SLOPE. THE OTHER ITEM THAT'S MENTIONED IN THERE IS THE TIME FOR THE SIDEWALK THAT RUNS ALONG THE CITY'S DRIVE WAY ALONG, WHAT STREET WAS THAT? THAT'S NORTH DOWNING. THEY'VE COMPLETED THAT WORK TODAY, SO WE'LL WORK THAT TOMORROW AND MAKE SURE THAT'S UP TO PAR. BUT THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO OUTSTANDING ISSUES. WE FELT IT WAS READY ENOUGH TO BRING TO YOU AND ASK FOR ACCEPTANCE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. [NOISE] COUNCIL. >> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE WAIVER FOR THE ONE-YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND CONDITIONING WITH THE SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF RESTORING THE CITY'S SIDEWALK AT NORTH SIDE OF ENTRANCE WITH TIE-IN APPLICATION OF SEED AND RESTORATION OF VEGETATION, WITH RETENTION POND, CORRECTION OF THE POND SLOPES TO FOUR TO ONE, AND RECEIPT OF AN UPDATED SURVEY CROSS-SECTION OF THE RETENTION POND. >> [OVERLAPPING] I SECOND THE MOTION. >> [BACKGROUND]. >> DO YOU WANT TO REPEAT THAT? [LAUGHTER] NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. [OVERLAPPING] ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SVOBODA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. [NOISE] THE MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. NUMBER 17, [17. Discussion on Senior Citizen Commission updates.] DISCUSSION ON SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION UPDATE. >> YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I THINK I [OVERLAPPING] BEFORE THE MIDNIGHT HOUR. [OVERLAPPING] SO I'LL TRY TO BRIEFLY JUST [NOISE] RECAP YOU GUYS. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IS, IN OUR SENIOR COMMISSION UPDATES, WE'LL TRY TO COME TO YOU GUYS QUARTERLY TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON WHAT WE'RE DOING IN SENIOR COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE RECENTLY APPROVED A SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION STRATEGIC PLAN. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIT ON ARE HOUSING. WE'RE WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO PROVIDING AN UPDATE IN AUGUST, SO WE'RE KEEPING THEM INFORMED ON ANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY INCLUDE SENIOR CITIZEN HOUSING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. [BACKGROUND] TRANSPORTATION. WE HAVE HAD PRESENTATIONS WITH THE SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION REGARDING VC CONNECT AND DIFFERENT ROUTES THAT COULD BE UTILIZED BY OUR SENIORS. WE'VE ALSO UPDATED PRESENTATIONS FOR THEM AND THEIR SOPS ON OUR WEBSITE TO PROVIDE LINKS THAT ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE. WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT THAT IN OUR SENIOR NEWSLETTER. WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED SOME UPDATES REGARDING HEALTH CARE INCLUDING COVID VACCINATIONS, LOCATIONS, AND REGISTRATIONS FOR OUR SENIOR PARTICIPANTS. AGAIN, I MENTIONED WE PUT OUT A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER THAT WE ARE NOW MAILING TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT SENIORS THAT ATTEND OUR PROGRAM. THAT IS ALSO ACCESSIBLE ON OUR WEBPAGE. WE ALSO USE OUR SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS, FACEBOOK, AND WEBSITE FOR SOME OF THESE UPDATES. THEN WE HAVE OPENED UP PROGRAMMING, SO WE HAVE COFFEE AND CHAT. WE MOST RECENTLY HAD MEDICARE 101, WHICH GAVE BASIC INFORMATION ON DIFFERENT PLANS AND HOW TO REGISTER. WE'LL CONTINUE ENGAGING HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS TO COME AND TALK TO OUR SENIORS DURING THAT COFFEE AND CHAT TIME. LEGISLATIVE UPDATE. STAFF IS WORKING ON REACHING OUT TO STATE AND LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES TO ATTEND ONE OF THEIR COMMISSION MEETINGS OR PUBLIC GATHERINGS SUCH AS COFFEE AND CHAT TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO THE SENIORS IN OUR COMMUNITY. RECREATION. THERE'S BEEN SOME REQUESTS FOR MORE SENIOR-BASED IN-PERSON PROGRAMS SINCE WE HAVE OPENED UP SOME OF OUR RESTRICTIONS AND VACCINATIONS ARE MORE READILY AVAILABLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMMING THAT HAS OPENED UP OR WILL BE IN JULY. JULY WE WILL HAVE OUR SENIOR BIRTHDAY PARTY ON THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE 7TH AT THE REC CENTER. [05:25:02] WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET FOLKS BACK IN AND WE'RE ALMOST MAXED OUT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, ON HOW MANY FOLKS WERE TAKEN IN FOR REGISTRATION. ONE THING THAT I ALSO WANT TO MENTION IS THAT WE HAVE HIRED A NEW SENIOR COORDINATOR FOR US AND SHE IS INCREDIBLY ENTHUSIASTIC AND IS READY TO START A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS. SHE'S VERY IN TUNE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND IS READY TO GET SOME BACKING IN ALL OF OUR SENIORS BACK IN THE FACILITY. QUALITY OF LIFE SECTION. STAFF HAS INVITED CITY OF ANGLETON EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR COFFEE AND CHAT TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS. WE ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW INDIVIDUALS CAN GET ADDED TO THE 211 LIST, AND WHAT THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS ARE. GLEN HAS PROVIDED A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION. I BELIEVE HE WAS AT THE MOST RECENT COFFEE AND CHAT. THAT IS JUST A GENERAL UPDATE FROM THE SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ONLY THING I ASK IS, COULD YOU SEND US ALL AN OCCASION TIME WHEN YOU DO HAVE A VISIT WITH THE SENIORS? >> [OVERLAPPING] GOT IT. >> SEND TO US GUYS SO WE CAN, IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO GO OR MYSELF CAN GO AND SIT AND ENJOY AND WATCH THE ACTIVITY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S ALWAYS THE HEART-WARMING SIDE OF OUR CITY IS WHEN YOU ALL PUT ON THESE EVENTS AND ESPECIALLY OUR SENIORS. MY SLIGHT PASSION FOR OUR SENIORS. I KNOW WE HAVE CECIL THAT GOES AND HE REPRESENTS US AS WELL, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US. [LAUGHTER]. >> JUST AT THE MEETINGS. >> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S LATE IN THE NIGHT. >> THE LIAISON FOR SENIORS. [OVERLAPPING] >> HE IS OUR LIAISON TO THE SENIOR COMMISSION. [OVERLAPPING] >> TO CLARIFY, YES. >> THAT'S A LEFT-HANDED COMPLIMENT IF I EVER HEARD ONE. [OVERLAPPING] >> GIVE ME A WHEELCHAIR. [LAUGHTER] >> ONE THING WE CAN START DOING IS THOSE MONTHLY NEWSLETTERS ONCE THOSE ARE PUBLISHED, I'LL JUST GET THAT OVER TO CHRIS SO THAT CAN BE DISPERSED TO YOU GUYS AND LISTS ALL OF OUR [OVERLAPPING] UPCOMING EVENTS. >> THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. >> ANOTHER THING THAT I SHOULD NOTE SO THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE, ACTIONS IS IN THE PROCESS OF OPENING UP IS WELL IN JULY, SO WE'RE HELPING THEM TO HAVE THEIR RESOURCES STORED SO WE CAN OPEN UP THE REST OF OUR FACILITIES FOR RENTALS. >> GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. >> HANG UP. PODIUM, NUMBER 18, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, MAINTENANCE NEEDS AND POTENTIAL FUNDING. >> MR. MAYOR, I RECOMMEND WE POSTPONE THAT DISCUSSION. >> OH, THANK YOU. OKAY. NUMBER 19 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THAT ONE. NUMBER 20. OH MY GOD, [20. Discussion and possible action on any of Governor Abbott’s latest executive orders, Brazoria County’s emergency declarations and impact on the City of Angleton and how to proceed with city business in the future.] GLEN, IT'S BEFORE MIDNIGHT. >> IT'S THAT TIME OF THE NIGHT. >> CAN WE MAKE IT FAST? >> IT'S THAT TIME OF NIGHT FOR YOU. >> AS YOU'VE BEEN HEARING, IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS FOR TEXAS, AT LEAST IN OUR GENERAL AREA, COVID HAS LACKED UP TO JUST A VERY SLIGHT TRICKLE IN THE INFORMATION OFF THE WEB. THIS AFTERNOON, OUR DAILY NEW CASES IS 4.7 AVERAGING PER WEEK WITH AN INFECTION RATE OF 0.87, WHICH IS VERY LOW AND VERY GOOD. POSITIVE TEST RATE OF 2.6. THE GOOD NEWS, OUR HOSPITALIZATION RATE HAS BEEN BELOW THREE UNTIL JUST AFTER THE WEEKEND. WE'RE STILL BELOW FOUR PERCENT, SO WE'RE IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE. WE'VE JUST CLOSED OUT THE CARES ACT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. THAT'S OFFICIALLY CLOSED AND WE'RE STILL EXPANDING SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE HERE AS WE HAD INITIALLY PLANNED. I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS. [BACKGROUND] >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GLEN? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SIR. >> CAN WE QUIT TALKING ABOUT THIS? [LAUGHTER]. >> I WAS WONDERING THAT. >> DO YOU NEED [OVERLAPPING] DIRECTION [NOISE] OR ACTION ON WHEN TO [OVERLAPPING]. >> STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. [LAUGHTER] >> [OVERLAPPING] COMMENCE [OVERLAPPING] FUNDINGS. >> MAYBE THE RECOMMENDATION IS, AS WE JUST DO THE RENEWAL OF THE DISASTER DECLARATION, MAYBE THAT MEETING WILL PRESENT THIS ONE ITEM, SO WE CAN SKIP IT AND MAYBE DO EVERY OTHER ONE. UNLESS SOMETHING POPS UP THAT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS. >> UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT TO BE HERE. >> [LAUGHTER] JUST EVERY OTHER RIGHT NOW WE FIND SOUNDS GOOD. >> OKAY. [BACKGROUND] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. GLEN? >> HAPPEN SPOT ON TUESDAY NIGHTS. ANYTIME AFTER 10 O'CLOCK. [LAUGHTER] >> ALRIGHT. SO NOW THAT BRINGS US TO THE PART OF OUR AGENDA EXECUTIVE SESSION. [EXECUTIVE SESSION] SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. CITY COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE] EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 551 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED THEREIN. NUMBER 21. DELIBERATION REGARDING SECURE DEVICES, SECURITY AUDIT, CITY REGULATORY RISK AND RESILIENCE, ASSESSMENT PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.08 [BACKGROUND] OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. NUMBER 22. DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT OR RE-EMPLOYMENT, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.07 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. [INAUDIBLE]. [NOISE] GO AHEAD AND SHOW US BACK AT THE TABLE AT 12:37. [05:30:03] WE HAVE A COUPLE OF AUDITORS COMING OUT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. [NOISE]COUNCILMAN. >> MR. MAYOR, ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE RISK AND RESILIENCE ASSESSMENT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY STAFF TO SEND A CERTIFICATION TO THE EPA. >> SVOBODA. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. SECOND ITEM. >> MR. MAYOR, ON ITEM NUMBER 22, I MOVE THAT WE HAVE A POINT PAT [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] TO THE SENIOR COMMISSION AND RACIAL ACAT TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND REAPPOINT SCOTT MEYERS, HANNAH MARINA, MICHELLE TOWNSEND, AND WILLIAM JACKSON. ON THE PARK'S BOARD, APPOINT GABRIEL GONZALEZ AS THE YOUTH MEMBER, AND THEN ADD HEATHER BIRD TO THE KAB. >> DO WE ALSO NEED TO SAY WHO RESIGNED? LIKE ACCEPT THEIR RESIGNATION? >> THEN ALSO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATIONS OF TIM CHARLSON AND JORDANA HARTWELL. >> THERE'S A MOTION. HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES AND WE'RE TO THE PART OF THE AGENDA ADJOURNMENT, AT 12:39, JUNE THE 23RD, WEDNESDAY MORNING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.