[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]
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>> [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] THE TIME IS 6:02.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS A SPECIAL MEETING WITH A WORK SESSION,
[1. Presentation on Freedom Park Master Plan concepts by Burditt Consulting, with Parks and Recreation Board and Angleton Better Living Corporation.]
AND WE ARE WITHOUT THE MAYOR TONIGHT.ITEM 1 IS A PRESENTATION ON FREEDOM PARK MASTER PLAN CONCEPTS ABOUT BURDITT CONSULTING WITH PARKS RECREATION BOARD AND THE ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION.
CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE A QUORUM FOR THE PARK'S BOARD?
>> THEN, I GUESS SINCE JASON'S OUT.
>> WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM FOR ABLC.
>> WE DO HAVE A QUORUM FOR ABLC.
I'VE SEEN DR. JACKSON BACK THERE.
>> YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO-TEM AND COUNCIL.
[NOISE] THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.
WE ARE AT THE MOMENT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR FINAL FREEDOM PARK MASTER PLAN.
WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE PACKET IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IT ALREADY IS TWO CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING OR HOPING THAT YOU CAN MAKE OR PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION.
WE'RE HOPING THAT OUR PARKS BOARD AND ABLC WILL PROVIDE SOME INPUT AND GUIDANCE BEFORE YOU ALL MAKE A DECISION IN COUNCIL.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CLAUDIA WALKER AND CHARLES BURDITT. THEY'RE BOTH HERE TONIGHT.
WE ALSO HAVE CASTELLO (PHONETIC) HERE WHO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE MET OUR DETENTION REQUIREMENTS FOR FREEDOM PARK AND WINDROSE GREEN DEVELOPMENT.
>> THANK YOU, MEGAN. GOOD EVENING.
>> CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME ON? WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO START MOVING FORWARD ON THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND WANTED TO GET A FINAL REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY, APPROVAL OF THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN.
JUST A KEY THING TO REMEMBER THAT IT IS A MASTER PLAN, AND THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE TO GO INTO THE MORE DETAILED DESIGN AS FAR AS DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.
SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT COME [NOISE] UP WILL BE ANSWERED THOROUGHLY DURING THE NEXT PHASE OF DESIGN.
OVERALL MASTER PLAN, AS YOU GUYS RECALL, THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT, WE HAD A PRETTY MUCH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT ON THE POND.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON THE 300-FOOT FIELD AND THE DIRECTION THAT IT NEEDED TO BE IN, AS WELL AS THE AMPHITHEATER, AND WHETHER THAT NEEDED TO BE IN AN AMPHITHEATER OR ALLOW FOR IT TO BE A FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE BASEBALL FIELD.
WHAT WE'VE DONE OVERALL IS TO 1: ALLOCATE THOSE AREAS AS 325-FOOT BASEBALL FIELD FOR THE EXPANSION.
BUT ALSO HAVE CREATED AN ALTERNATE THAT YOU GUYS WILL SEE IN A FEW SLIDES OVER.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE OVERALL ON THIS CONCEPT IS 1: THE DETENTION HAS THE CAPACITY THAT IS REQUIRED, THE 98-ACRE FEET.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CASTELLO BACK AND FORTH TO GET THAT SIZE ACCURATELY AND TO STILL HAVE THE MEANDERING IN MORE NATURAL FEEL WITH EXPANDED DETENTION AREA AS WELL AS THE DRY DETENTION AREA, WHICH AS WE HAD DISCUSSED ON THE LAST PRESENTATION, WAS THAT THE DRY DETENTION WOULD BE MORE OF AN ENHANCED AREA WHERE YOUR REFORESTATION AND POSSIBLY, SOME GROUND-LEVEL IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS IT COULD BE A WILDFLOWER MEADOWS OR PRAIRIE, AND JUST CREATING A MORE NATURALISTIC AREA AND FOR THE TRAILS TO MEANDER THROUGHOUT AND WITH THE POSSIBILITIES OF WAYFINDING AND SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT AS WELL.
THE MAIN LOOP AT THE DETENTION WOULD BE MORE OF AN ADA ACCESSIBLE LOOP IN CURRENTLY THAT IS JUST OVER HALF A MILE, 0.65 MILES FOR THAT.
IN THE NATURAL TRAILS WOULD BE JUST A 0.89 MILES OR SO, WHICH IT'S MOSTLY AT THE MOMENT, NATURAL TRAILS, WHICH COULD BE A MAINTAINED AREA WITH ABOUT 20 FEET WIDE OR SO.
WITH THE CAPABILITIES OF EITHER DOING MULCH SPACES FOR ANY SORT OF USE AS FAR AS WALKING, BIKING, OR OTHER EVENTS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO ADD ON THERE.
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THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE ENDS UP BEING ABOUT 100 FEET OR SO TO CROSS OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE HIGH BANK TO HIGH BANK ON A DITCH.THE REST OF THAT SPACE WOULD BE JUST A BEACH ENTRY, NATURAL OPEN SPACES, AND SOME WETLAND ENHANCEMENT AREAS TO HAVE THE DETENTION POND EXPANSION TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A FUZZY EDGE AND NOT SO STARK AS WELL.
THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL SYSTEM IS GOING THROUGHOUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES, EXCUSE ME.
[LAUGHTER] THE L LOOP THAT'S GOING AROUND THE SCHOOL HAS A SERIES OF TRAILS AND IT'S MOSTLY LOOPING AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE WITH SOME POCKETS OF SHADE AND SEATING SPACES, BUT ALSO THE BIG ONE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE CONNECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE RANCHO DITCH OR EVEN THROUGH THE UTILITY SPACE BEHIND THE CORAL LOOP DEVELOPMENT AND THAT ROAD.
THAT IN THE FUTURE YOU CAN ACTUALLY START CONNECTING THE CITY TOGETHER AND POSSIBLY LOOK INTO SOME TRAIL GRANTS THAT CAN CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT.
GO TO THE NEXT ONE. OVERALL, THIS ONE SHOWS SOME QUICK SKETCHES ON THE PROPOSED TRAILS, NATURAL TRAILS AND DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAILS AS PART OF THE LOOP WITH SOME [NOISE] LIGHT SEATING AREAS.
THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE OF THE DETENTION SPACE WOULD BE THE PRESERVED SPACES WHERE WE'VE DELINEATED SOME AREAS THAT HAVE TREE STANDS AND POCKETED THOSE TRYING TO MAKE SURE TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
FOR WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TREES ARE TRULY THERE BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY BRUSH.
SOME OF THE BRUSH LOOKS LIKE IT'S A TREE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK DEEP INTO IT, IT'S JUST A REALLY LARGE BRUSH.
THE IDEA IS TO ALLOCATE LARGE GENERAL SPACES WHERE WE KNOW OUR TREE STANDS, AND THE DESIGN OF THE POND ITSELF IS MEANDERING THROUGH THAT.
AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE PARK, WE HAVE THE PLAY FEATURES ON THE FAMILY PLAYGROUND SPACE, WHICH IS ENHANCED PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WITH ALL ACCESSIBLE PLAY EQUIPMENT ADDED TO THE EXISTING PIECE AS WELL.
A RESTROOM AND PAVILION SPACE, OPEN PLAY, AND THE VOLLEYBALL PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
THERE'S ABOUT THREE SMALL PAVILIONS.
IF WE CONTINUE IN DESIGN, KEEP THE GRIDDING AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING PAVILIONS.
IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO REDUCE THE COST AND CONTINUE [NOISE] KEEPING SOME OF THE SHADE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
THE REST OF THE SITE IS TO REFORESTATION AS A KEY FOR SOME OF THESE SPACES, SPECIFICALLY CORNERS AND AROUND THE FIELDS.
WE ALSO HAVE A MAIN AXIS, A PROMENADE THAT'S GOING FROM A PROPOSED PARKING LOT ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE, ACCESSING TO THE PROPOSED 325 FOOT BASEBALL FIELD.
AT THIS FAR END OF THE PROMENADE, THERE IS A PARTY PAVILION IN WHICH WE HAD DISCUSSED HAVING A LARGE SHADE PAVILION WHICH COULD POSSIBLY BE ENCLOSED, AIR CONDITIONED, RENTABLE SPACE OR A LARGE OPEN PAVILION
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FOR MANY TYPES OF GATHERINGS THAT CAN BE RENTABLE AS WELL.THE AMPHITHEATER SPACE ON THIS ONE HAS A CAPACITY FOR ABOUT 300 OR SO, WHICH IS THE MEDIUM RANGE THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED.
BUT IT ALSO HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE USE IF NEEDED OR IF SOMETHING CHANGED OR IF FOR SOME REASON THE AMPHITHEATER WAS NOT AS HIGHLY USED AS EXPECTED.
MOSTLY I BELIEVE IS A DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAIL AND BERMING, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, YOU CAN CONVERT THAT SPACE UP TO A 200 FOOT FIELD AS WELL.
BEHIND THE AMPHITHEATER STAGE WOULD BE A BUTTERFLY GARDEN AREA, AS WELL AS SOME BERMING THROUGHOUT THE SPACE.
ONE BERM THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY BIG DESIRE WAS THE BERM BEHIND THE 325 FIELD, WHICH IS THE VIEWING AREA FOR SPECTATORS AS WELL.
THERE'S ALSO THE FIELD STORAGE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
WE HAVE A LOCATION FOR THAT AS WELL ON THE EAST SIDE NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT FOR EASY ACCESS AS WELL.
EVERYTHING IS THE SAME EXCEPT FOR WE REMOVE THE AMPHITHEATER AND ADDED 200 FOOT FIELDS WITH A CENTRAL ACCESS AND SEEDING IN THE TYPICAL AMENITIES THAT THE OTHER AREAS HAVE.
OTHERWISE, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU GUYS TO SEE WHICH YOU WOULD PREFER TO HAVE, WHAT DOES THE CITY NEED MOST USE OF? THE OTHER ONE, PREVIOUS CONCEPT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE EXPANSION, BUT IT WOULD BE ONLY ONE FIELD VERSUS THE CURRENT ONE, WHICH IS TWO FIELDS ON THIS ONE.
I'M GOING TO CONTINUE GOING [LAUGHTER].
BASED ON ALL OF THESE VERY MASTER PLANNED CONCEPT, STILL PRELIMINARY, AS I SAID, WE DO HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE YOU GUYS AWARE OF.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY COMPARTMENTALIZED THESE SPACES INTO SIX DIFFERENT ZONES.
CURRENT ONE IS THE PASSIVE RECREATION.
IT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT'S ASIDE FROM THE POND AND DETENTION THAT CONCOURSE IS TAKING CARE OF.
WITHOUT THAT, WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE POSSIBLE COSTS WOULD BE FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND WE ALSO HAVE A CONTRACTOR IN CONTINGENCY INCLUDED IN THERE SINCE IT'S SUCH A PRELIMINARY PHASE.
THE CONTRACTOR AND MARKUP AND CONTINGENCY TENDS TO FLUCTUATE AS YOU PUT MORE AND MORE DETAIL INTO PLAN.
THIS IS MOSTLY JUST A BIG PICTURE, GET A BUDGET NUMBERS GOING FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE.
JUST ALMOST CLOSE TO 560,000 WOULD INCLUDE THE MULCH TRAILS, DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAILS, BEACH ENTRY, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, WAYFINDING SIGNAGE AND SOME SITE FURNISHINGS, AS WELL AS THE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE NATURAL SPACES WITH PRAIRIE AND WETLANDS AND REFORESTATION AREAS.
SOME IMAGES TO GIVE YOU SOME INSPIRATION ON THAT END AS WELL.
THE NEXT SITE IS THE TRAILS AND RECREATION AREA.
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THIS IS JUST MOSTLY MEANDERING DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAILS TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING TRAILS.THERE'RE POCKETS OF SEATING AND SOME WAYFINDING AS WELL AND SOME POCKETS OF REFORESTATION AREAS TO CREATE A MORE OF A NATURAL SPACE.
EXCUSE ME I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER.
THAT IS ALMOST ONE MILE, 0.9 MILES OF THE TRAIL LOOP OF DECOMPOSED GRANITE AREA.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE FAMILY RECREATION.
THIS ONE HAS QUITE A BIT OF PLAY FEATURE, OPEN PLAY.
IT ALSO INCLUDES THE PARTY PAVILION, WHICH IS ABOUT 40 BY 40 OR SO, SWINGS AND THE ADA PLAYGROUNDS, THIS IS LIKELY A PORT IN PLAY SURFACING FOR PARTIAL PIECES, SPLASH PAD PAVILION, RESTROOM, AND THE WASHER STATIONS AND VOLLEYBALL COURTS.
THAT WOULD END UP 1.84 BUDGET NUMBER.
OF COURSE, ALL THESE AMENITIES CAN FLUCTUATE BASED ON QUALITY OF MATERIALS AND HOW SPECIFIC YOU WANT TO BE ON CERTAIN PLAY FEATURES AS WELL.
THE PARTY PAVILION AS WELL, IT CAN RANGE DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S OPEN OR CLOSED AND AIR CONDITIONED.
BUT WE DO TRY TO DO OUR BEST IN KEEPING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
YOU'LL SEE THREE OF THE EXISTING PAVILIONS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE ADDITIONAL SMALL PAVILION THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO RELOCATE FROM WHERE THE BASEBALL FIELDS ARE.
THIS LAST ONE IS ON THE AMPHITHEATER.
IT IS A BERMED AMPHITHEATER SPACE WITH DECOMPOSED GRANITE CONNECTING TRAIL, A BUTTERFLY GARDEN AREA AND SOME LIGHT BERMING AND LANDSCAPE [NOISE] EXCUSE ME.
CURRENTLY, IT'S ABOUT 416 INCLUDING THE SIDEWALKS AND THE ELECTRICAL CONNECTION, AND SUCH ITEMS. THE ACTIVE RECREATION.
THIS ONE IS TOGETHER WITH A 25-FOOT BASEBALL FIELD WITH ITS SITE AMENITIES, A SEATING AREA, AND DUGOUTS, AND SUCH FENCING, LIGHTING.
WE HAVE ALSO INCLUDED THE PARKING LOT FOR THAT SPACE, THE BERM, AND THE STORAGE IN THE SMALL PLAYGROUND PIECE THAT'S JUST A CORRAL TO KEEP KIDS ENTERTAINED WHILE EVERYBODY IS BUSY WATCHING A BASEBALL GAME.
AS WELL AS A PORTION OF THE PROMENADE ON THAT SPACE UP TO THE UP TO THE BATTING CAGES, I BELIEVE, GIVING AN ALLOCATION FOR AN IMPROVED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR OF THE RESTROOMS. JUST CLEANING IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND ADDING ANOTHER SHADE STRUCTURE PAVILION THAT CAN BE ALMOST AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING PAVILION AT THE RESTROOM SITES, AS WELL AS IT COULD BE USED FOR DIFFERENT GATHERINGS FOR THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL LEAGUES, AS WELL AS OTHER RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES.
THIS SECTION ALSO HAS THE REFORESTED AREAS ALONG THE EXISTING BASEBALL FIELDS AND A SHADE STRUCTURE.
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CURRENTLY, I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THAT THE SHADE STRUCTURES WERE UP AT THE FIELDS.THIS ONE IS AN OVERALL PIECE THAT WOULD CREATE MORE SHADE IN THE CENTRAL AREA.
CURRENTLY, IT IS AT 2.75, AND IT'S AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE QUALITY OF COURSE.
SOME SAMPLE IMAGES, THE FIELDS THEMSELVES ARE ALL BASED ON SOD FIELDS, BY THE WAY.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A BIG PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF 5.79.
WE HAVE THE ALLOCATED DIFFERENT AREAS AND BROKEN DOWN BY COLORS FOR AN EASIER READ.
WE ALSO WENT AHEAD AND HAD PROJECTED OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE BUDGETS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY AS FAR AS WHAT THE NEEDS OR COSTS, THE HOURLY WAGES OR ANY OF THAT ARE, BUT BASED ON OUR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OF COSTS, WE CREATED ONE AS AN ANNUAL FOR THE ENTIRE PARK, AND THAT WOULD BE 69 THOUSAND ANNUALLY, WHICH IS THAT.
ABOUT JUST OVER ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON TO MAINTAIN THE 1.5 OR SO TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE PARK.
OF COURSE, THAT'S WORKING FULL-TIME [LAUGHTER].
WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.
THE LAST SLIDE HERE, WE HAVE JUST A GENERAL PROJECTED TIMELINE JUST TO GIVE YOU ONCE AGAIN, JUST PLANNING, SINCE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MASTER PLAN, WE WOULD HOPE AND ANTICIPATE THAT AFTER ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS, THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FOR APPROVAL.
ONCE THAT IS IN PLACE TO ALLOW FOR THE TENSION DESIGNED TO MOVE IN AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE AUGUST THROUGH SEPTEMBER, BUT IT COULD BE START IN NOVEMBER OR SO.
FOR THE TENSION CONSTRUCTION TO START SOON AFTER THAT, ONCE ALL OF THE REGULATORY THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF, WE DO HAVE THE INITIAL THINGS TO DO WHICH WILL BE THE SURVEY AND GEO TECH.
WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TREE PRESERVATION AND A TREE SURVEY AND TREE PRESERVATION AS WELL.
BUT SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO SHOW WERE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
OCTOBER 1ST IS THE DEADLINE FOR TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE GRANT APPLICATION FOR LOCAL PARKS.
IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
I BELIEVE IT'S UP 750 MATCH AND THE OTHER ONE, IT'S ON FEBRUARY 1ST IS ANOTHER TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE GRANT OPPORTUNITY AND THAT IS FOR THE TRAILS.
IF THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF THERE'S CONNECTIVITY TO THE REST OF THE CITY OR SPECIFIC IMPORTANT PLACES, THEN YOU COULD QUALIFY TO APPLY FOR A TRAILS GRANT AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
BUT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE STARTING AFTER THE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED FOR WHATEVER THE BUDGET NUMBER IS APPROVED TO MOVE INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND TIGHTEN THOSE, JUST EVERYTHING, MAKING SURE THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND AREAS ARE WELL ALLOCATED THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND MOVE INTO THE FINAL DESIGN ONCE ALL OF THAT IS APPROVED.
CURRENTLY, IT'S MAY 2022 THROUGH AUGUST 2020 THROUGH 2022,
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WITH CONSTRUCTION IN OCTOBER THROUGH JUNE OF 2023 IN [INAUDIBLE], MAYBE THE GRAND OPENING IS SOMEWHERE IN 2023?>> [LAUGHTER] THAT'S THE OVERALL AND WE HAVE MISS [INAUDIBLE] HERE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MENTION PARKS BOARD AND A ABLC.
IF YOU WANTED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMING TO THE MIKE.
>> AT THIS TIME, ANYBODY FROM PARKS OR ABLC COME TO THE MIKE AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS? [NOISE]
>> I JUST HAVE A FEW, MOST OF IT DEALING WITH THE POND.
MEGAN GOT ME SOME INFORMATION FROM CASTELLO AND BIRD IT ON.
[NOISE] IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PAGE, WHERE ARE THE CONCEPT THAT SHOW THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE WET AND DRY DETENTION, IT LOOKS LIKE IT ENCOMPASSES 80 PERCENT OF THE PARK.
BUT THEN FROM CASTELLO, THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS THERE'S 13.6 FEET OF WET POND AND I THINK 7.2 OF THE DRY POND, BUT THAT'S A 42 ACRE PIECE OF LAND.
IF THAT'S WE HAVE UNDER 21 ACRES OF DETENTION, JUST OBSERVATION MADE US NOT TO SCALE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE BY THAT PICTURE 30 ACRES OR MORE, IT'S DECEIVING OR MAYBE IT'S JUST NOT THE SCALE.
A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN A TYPO AND THE RESPONSE I GOT, THEY SIT AT 13.6 ACRE FEET WET DETENTION THAT WITH A TWO FOOT FREEBOARD AND IT HAS 74 ACRE FEET IN THE WET, BUT THOSE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH.
I ASSUME THERE WAS A TYPO TO GET 13.6 ACRES TO GET 74 THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST 5.5 OF FREE BOARD SO THAT'S PROBABLY A TYPO SOMEWHERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF CASTELLO CAN ANSWER THAT.
I WENT OUT, LOOKED AT THE EXISTING POND BEFORE I CAME UP HERE AND I TRIED TO GO OUT THERE AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, BUT THE WATER LEVEL HAS A STATIC LEVEL WE HOLD AT, AND WE HAVE A GOOD SALE ON THE BOTTOM.
I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO BREAK THAT SALE AND GO DEEP LIKE LAKESIDE PARK.
OTHERWISE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HOLD WATER, SO WHENEVER THEY GO OUT AND DESIGN THE POND, WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE DEPTH THAT WHERE IT HOLDS WATER.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE EXISTING I DON'T WANT THE WATER DEPTH IS FROM IN A POND.
CURRENTLY, IF IT'S 5 FEET, 6 FEET, I'M NOT SURE, BUT IF WE WERE TO DIG 12 FEET, WILL END UP WITH A LAKESIDE PARK WHERE YOU HAVE 15 FEET OF BROKEN TO THE GROUNDWATER WILL HAVE A DEEP SLOPE.
WE WANT TO BE AWARE OF HOW DEEP WE GO.
I DON'T SEE ANY INFORMATION WAS PROBABLY HADN'T BEEN DONE YET ON WHERE I DON'T KNOW.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 5.5 FOOT OR FREE BOARD IN EXISTING POND WHERE THE WATER TOOK THE HOSE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE THE DEPTH WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO RETAIN IN THAT POND, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE YOU PLAN ON PLACING THE ELEVATION OF THE WEIR JUST TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HOLD WATER THE LAST TIME WE WANT IS A DRY POND.
SEE WHAT ELSE I'VE GOT. WE ADDED THE BOX CULVERTS UNDER HENDERSON ROAD EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THAT RENTAL DITCH, I' AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IT GETS HIGH IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAVE A DECENT RAIN EVENT, AND IT WOULD FLOW OVER THAT 5.5 FOOT WEAR AND PUT WATER INTO THE POND.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A HISTORY TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO FLOW WITH THE BIG CULVERTS, IT MAY GRANT THE LAST TIME I WENT OUT THERE, THE RAINS WE HAD EARLIER THIS MONTH.
IT WAS DRAINING VERY WELL, LIKE BRUSH PILES, SO IT MAY NOT BE GETTING HIGHER ONLY ON RAIN EVENT THAT'LL PUT WATER BACK IN THERE.
SO IT'LL BE A GOOD IDEA AND HE'S PROBABLY ALREADY PLANNED TO DO THAT.
PUT SOME DRAINAGE SWALES ON THE PROPERTY TO DIVERT THE RIGHT ONE OUT, RUN OFF INTO THE POND SO WE CAN AT LEAST CAPTURE THE RAIN.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF LARGE OAK TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER THAT, NOTICE SOME TODAY, AND THEY'VE GROWN UP SINCE THE 20 YEARS WE'VE HAD THAT PROPERTY.
BUT WHEN YOU DESIGN THE LIFE THAT YOU CAN, WE HAVE ONE NEAR THE PERIMETER BOTH THE LAKE SHORELINE OUT TO TRY TO KEEP IT,
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BECAUSE SHADE IS PREMIUM OUT THERE IN THAT PART BECAUSE IT'S VERY SUNNY.EVEN CREATE SOME PENINSULAS, BUT THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
ANOTHER OPTION IS LOWERING THE FREE BOARD INSTEAD OF HAVING 5.5, HAVE IT 6.7 TO SHRINK THE FOOTPRINT OF THE WET POND, BECAUSE AS A PROJECT AND THAT'S KIND OF DISAPPOINTING WE LOST SO MUCH WETLANDS, BUT MAYBE LIKE SAID, THAT'S OFF.
>> A QUICK COMMENT ON THE POND.
I BELIEVE IT IS DECEIVING TO SEE THAT THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE HAVE VERSUS THE ACREAGE OF THE SITE.
IT'S MEANDERING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE.
THERE'S LITTLE POCKETS HERE AND THERE THAT PRESERVE TREE AREAS THAT THEY ADD UP TO THE REST OF THE SITE.
BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DEFINITELY THE NUMBERS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR SURE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] SORRY. I DON'T KNOW.
[INAUDIBLE] MY NAME IS STEPHEN WILCOX. I'M WITH CASTELLO.
I WAS A DRAINAGE ENGINEER THAT SIZE THIS POND, SO I GUESS I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
I'M SORRY, SIR, I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME.
>> WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE TO CATCH UP.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAID 13.6 FEET, THE WET AREAS STARTING 0.6 ACRES.
THAT'S OKAY. YOU JUST SAID FEET? [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] YEAH.
[INAUDIBLE] WHEN YOU SAY THE TERM FREE BOARD, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? BECAUSE, I MAY MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENCE. [OVERLAPPING] YEAH.
[INAUDIBLE] OKAY, SO THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW IS A HIGH BANK ELEVATION AT 29 DOWN TO A STATIC AT 20.5, AND THAT 20.5 IS ABOUT A HALF A FOOT ABOVE THE FLOW ON A RENTAL DITCH.
SO YOU'RE AT 8.5 FOOT, A DEPTH DOWN TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHERE THAT BLUE AREA IS.
THEN THAT WEIRD QUESTION THAT YOU HAD.
WE HAVE A 60 FOOT CONNECTION BETWEEN RENTAL DITCH AND THAT POND AT 20.5.
WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG RAIN EVENT, THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED SO THE WATER AS IT GETS INTO A RENTAL DITCH BACKS UP INTO THESE BONDS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> THAT'S HOW WE UTILIZE THAT STORAGE TO MAKE IT WORK.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE OTHER QUESTIONS. [LAUGHTER]
>> THEN 9.5 FEET IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO?
>> YES, SIR. FROM THE HIGH BANK DOWN TO THE STATIC WATERS.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD THE WATER COMING OVER WITH?
>> CORRECT. YES. [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES, PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> NOT SURE WHAT YOU'VE ANSWERED. ONE OF THEM WAS THE ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING WATER LEVEL IN RELATION TO WHAT YOU PLAN ON DOING? BECAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE BOTTOM SEAL.
>> WE HAVE NOT SURVEYED THAT YET, BUT IN DESIGN, ONE THE FIRST THING WE DO IS TAKE, WE HAVE A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER GO OUT THERE AND TAKE BORINGS AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT SOIL LAYERS AND WHAT THEY ARE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE EVALUATE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WEB AREA HOLDS WATER.
THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE IF THERE'S LIKE A SAND SAME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
>> BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET?
>> THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET. NO.
>> WHAT WAS YOUR ASSUMPTION? DO YOU HAVE AN ASSUMPTION ON THIS RIGHT NOW? FOR THIS DRAWING?
>> GENERALLY, IT'S HOW MUCH, HOW DEEP DO WE KNOW? WE'VE GOT TWO THINGS.
ONE, YOU ALWAYS GO 6 FEET OF WET AREA BECAUSE OF WET DEPTH, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN PROPER BIOLOGICAL CYCLES.
YOU DON'T WANT ALGAE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF GOING ON IN YOUR POND.
>> THERE WAS SOME LOOK AT BASED ON DIRT NEEDS, MAYBE NEED TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
AGAIN, WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE HAVE THE GEO TECH REPORTS AND CAN MAKE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] ON-SITE DETENTION OR THE FIRST PHASE AND IN MOST OF THOSE AREAS, WE DID A TWO FOOT CLAY LINER BECAUSE WE WANT TO HOLD THE WATER TO AND OUR GEO TECH DOES THAT RECOMMENDATION ONCE THEY GO OUT AND DO THE TESTING AND THAT'S WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED FOR OUR PONDS AND THEY'RE HOLDING WATER REAL WELL.
[INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SAND SEAMS THAT APPEAR THROUGHOUT.
WE ANALYZE THAT WE HAVE A GEO TECH OUT THERE FULL TIME WHENEVER THERE'S THAT EXCAVATION IS GOING ON SO THEY CAN TEST AND MAKE SPOT RECOMMENDATIONS.
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>> WELL, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OFF THAT NUMBER DON'T HOLD HIM TO IT, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
>> WHEN I SAID I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE LOSS OF TREES, I HAD BEEN [INAUDIBLE], THEY'VE BEEN OUTSTANDING, SO I WANTED TO CLEAR THAT.
IT WAS JUST HOW IT TURNED OUT. THANK YOU.
>> I JUST SAW YOUR QUESTIONS IN?
>> ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? [OVERLAPPING]
>> OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO APPROACH? YOU'RE NEXT BONNIE. [LAUGHTER]
>> CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE OF CONCEPT WHERE YOU SHOW THE AMPHITHEATER I GUESS.
YEAH. THAT'S THE TWO BASE AREA.
OKAY, I JUST HAD SOME OBSERVATIONS AND COMMENTS, AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE QUESTIONS.
OKAY. THIS NEW PARKING LOTS, 85 SPACES.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THIS EXISTING PARKING? THEN THE AMPHITHEATER IS FOR 300 PEOPLE.
THAT'S A FULL PARKING LOT JUST TO GET TO THE AMPHITHEATER.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME EVENT OUT THERE I GUESS, SOME OF MY OBSERVATION.
I LIKE THE DOUBLE BASEBALL FIELD CONCEPT BETTER THAN THE AMPHITHEATER BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE, IT'S JUST A LONG WALK.
I'M ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE PAVILION.
HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE PARKING IS THAT 40 BY 40 PAVILION OVER THERE? THE BLUE DOT IN THE MIDDLE FAR? [BACKGROUND]
>> IT'S ABOUT 250 FEET TO 300 FEET.
WHICH IS GENERALLY AS FAR AS YOU WANT TO BE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG WAY BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LONG WAY TO CARRY [INAUDIBLE] OR SOMETHING ON THERE.
I THINK THAT WAS ALL MY QUESTIONS.
I DID NOTE, THE BIG 325 BASEBALL FIELD.
YOU SAID FENCING, SO HOW TALL IS THAT FENCE GOING TO BE? MOST FENCES ON BIG BASEBALL FIELDS ARE 8-10 FEET OR WHENEVER? THEY'RE BIG.
IS THAT BERM OVER THAT FENCE OR THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE SMALL FENCE SO YOU CAN SEE? I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN WAS.
>> WELL, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DESIGNED, BUT THE FENCE CAN BE ANY HEIGHT AND THE AREA OF THE BERM IS 42 LOOP THROUGH THE FENCE.
>> IT'S NOT A SOLID. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHAIN LINK. THANK YOU. IT'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT COULD BE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WAS PICTURING A WOOD FENCE.
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE FIELD THAT HAS A WOOD FENCE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT, AND I WAS LIKE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> YES. IT MAKE SENSE. [LAUGHTER] NO.
YEAH, IT'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE OR IT COULD ALSO BE NETTING THAT CAN GO UP HIGH TO PROTECT THE VIEWERS FROM ANY BALLS GOING OUT THERE.
IT'S 225 FEET OUT BUT SOME PEOPLE DO IT.
YOU HAVE A REALLY VERY HARD-HIT ARE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE, BUT IT WOULD BE VISIBLE THROUGHOUT. THAT'S THE PLAN.
>> WELL, CLAIRE TOOK PART OF MY QUESTION, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SINCE THEY'RE THE TWO DESIGNS, EITHER DOING THE AMPHITHEATER OR THE TWO FIELDS, IS THERE A BIG COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO?
>> THE AMPHITHEATER OR THE ACTUALLY THE BASEBALL FIELD [OVERLAPPING]
>> IS GOING TO BE WITH ALL THE COVERINGS AND SO FORTH.
THE OTHER WAS A QUESTION WITH DEALING WITH CASTELLO.
I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD HAS BEEN THE SLANT SO IS THAT GOING TO BE A GRADUAL SLANT?
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT IS CORRECT. THERE WILL BE A SIDE SLOPE TO IT, AND I'M ASSUMING AS Y'ALL GET INTO THE FINAL DESIGN, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE USUALLY LANCY BAR TEXT LIKE THE UNDULATED, AND MAKE IT PRETTY AND [OVERLAPPING] PUT SLOPES AND POINTINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
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WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT IN OUR CALCULATIONS.>> EARLIER THE BASEBALL GUYS HAD COME WITH A IDEA FOR A STORAGE UNIT THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN TRYING TO PUT IN? I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE SIZE WAS, CHRIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO EITHER OR MEGAN DOES, BUT HOW DOES THIS COMPARE WITH WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR? [BACKGROUND]
>> [OVERLAPPING] MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WAS 30 BY 40.
>> SUPER I COULDN'T REMEMBER. SO GREAT.
BECAUSE I [OVERLAPPING] HAD AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY NEEDED FOR THEIR STORAGE SO THAT'S GREAT.
THE THE PARKING THAT YOU HAD DESIGNED HERE, IT WAS DESCRIBED BUT, I ENVISIONED, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF WE COULD JUST HAVE GRASS PARKING? WE'VE GOT GRASS OUT THERE WHEN YOU PARK ON IT.
IT DOES NOT SURVIVE VERY LONG TYPE OF THING.
WHAT'S THE MATERIAL FOR THE PARKING THAT WE HAVE HERE?
>> IT'S FAIRLY CONCRETE AND IT'S MOSTLY FOR COSTING PROPERTIES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> OKAY. GOOD. [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE I'M A PROPONENT OF NO MORE CONCRETE THAN WE HAVE TO HAVE.
THE OTHER THING THAT ON THE 325 FIELD WHERE IT'S DESCRIBED AS FIELD COVERED BLEACHER SEATING.
IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT HOLDS IT AND I'M ASSUMING FROM THE PICTURE IN THE DESCRIPTION THAT WE'RE COVERING ALL OF THOSE BLEACHERS?
>> YES, SO WE COVER ALL OF THE BLEACHERS.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CAN RANGE FROM 60-120 OR SO, SO THEY COULD GO WAY HIGHER IF NEEDED.
WE DON'T KNOW THE DEMAND AT THE MOMENT.
>> OKAY. WHERE I WAS GOING, YOU ANSWERED IT, THIS IS THE HIGH END, RIGHT? THE COVERAGE STRUCTURE AND A FAIRLY LARGE CONCRETED PLAZA THAT GOES WITH IT.
THAT CERTAINLY MAKES IT NICE, BUT THAT COULD BE SCALED BACK A LITTLE BIT TOO.
IT JUST A BIG NUMBER FOR THAT AND SO I WAS TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT.
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS SIDEWALKS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR THE WHOLE THING, WHICH I LIKED, IT ALLOWS YOU TO MOVE FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER.
DID YOU BASICALLY SAY FOR EACH ONE OF THE AREAS AND THE LENGTH OF SIDEWALK FOR THE ELEMENT THAT YOU'RE BUDGETING IS CERTAIN AMOUNT PER SIDEWALK FOOT? IS THAT HOW YOU GOT THERE? OKAY. COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT WAS?
>> THIS ONE IS DECOMPOSED CREDIT SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT ABOUT 550.
CAUSE I COULD SEE THEY ALL HAD THEM AND RELATIVELY EVERYBODY HAD SOME SIDEWALKS, ALLOWS FOR GOOD CONNECTIVITY.
IN THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT DEALT WITH THE PLAY FEATURES, WHICH I THINK IS LOVELY, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT.
RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU DESCRIBED AS THE PLAZA.
WE'VE GOT THE PAVILION BUT THERE IS A CONCRETE PLAZA THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PAVILION.
I WOULD THINK THAT THE CONCRETE PLAZA IS HERE, THE THING THAT'S AROUND THE PAVILION.
>> YES. THIS ACTUAL CONCRETE PLAZA ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE COME IN ON SPACE.
>> THEN THERE IS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS. WHICH IS JUST [INAUDIBLE]
>> OKAY. BUT YOU'VE GOT STRUCTURES.
THE PARTY PAVILION IS PRICED SEPARATE AND THERE IS NO CONCRETE PAVILION.
IT'S DOWN HERE WHERE IT SAYS THE PLAY AMENITIES IS WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE CONCRETE PLAZA.
BUT THAT'S THE CONCRETE PLAZA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY WERE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES.
>> I GOT YOU. OKAY. ANY IDEA? THE SPLASH PAD. YOU CAN POINT TO IT.
>> WE'RE JUST HAVING OUR OWN CONVERSATION.
>> WELL, WHAT I WAS DOING, I WAS LOOKING AT THE COST.
[LAUGHTER] IT'S IN HERE, IT'S JUST THE PARTY PAVILION, THE THING THAT IS DESCRIBED AS STRUCTURES NEEDS TO SIT ON A CONCRETE PAD TO BE NICE LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S DOWN THERE.
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LASTLY, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU ANSWERED THAT ONE.OKAY, I LIKED THE CLARIFICATION ON THE CONCEPT WHICH IS THIS ONE HERE.
DO WE HAVE IN THIS THE COST IF INSTEAD OF THE AMPHITHEATER, WHICH PERSONALLY I LIKE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
DO WE HAVE THE COST OF WHAT IT COSTS THEN FOR THOSE, THE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE DON'T HAVE A COST IN THERE, I AS GOING TO SAY WE'VE GOT A NUMBER THEY ARE ESTIMATING WITH.
>> I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THERE EITHER.
>> YES. WE HAVE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 865 TO ADD THE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS AND.[OVERLAPPING].
>>YES AND THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL TWO TO THE EXISTING COST.
>> SIX-EIGHTY-FIVE. OKAY. ON THIS ONE HERE, I DIDN'T WANT CONCRETE PARKING.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY DETAILED QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
IT'S TO GIVE YOU A BIG PICTURE.
THE PROGRAMMING IS TO COME UP WITH THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE.
BUT THE EXACT PLACEMENT OF THAT WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS WE WORK WITH STAFF TO REFINE IT TO THE BEST PLACE IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT AND SAY DO THE DESIGN, AND CARRYING IT THROUGH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND ALL.
RIGHT. NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE THINGS ACCOUNTED FOR AND ON PAPER THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED YOUR BEST GUESS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
THE NUMBERS AS WE GO THROUGH IF WE WERE TO EXECUTE THIS PROJECT OR WHOEVER DOES, WE'LL HAVE AN ESTIMATOR ON OUR TEAM, AND AS WE GO THROUGH EACH PHASE, WE WILL DEVELOP A REFINED OPINION, A PROBABLE COSTS.
WE'LL KEEP NARROWING IT DOWN AND TRYING TO REFINE THAT TO WHERE WE GET IT DOWN TO THE LOWEST NUMBER.
BUT YOU GOT TO START WITH SOME NUMBER, WHEN YOU'RE FIGURING OUT HOW TO PROVIDE AND FUND THIS PROJECT.
BUT WHAT YOU SEE, AT THE LOCATION OF THE ENCLOSED STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S CONDITION SPACE AND YOU WANT TO HAVE IT FOR RENT-ABLE RECOVERY, COST RECOVERY MODEL FOR THAT, OR WHETHER YOU'D WANT IT OPEN AIR.
THAT MAY MOVE SOME BASED ON OUR VISITING OF COURSE WITH MEGAN AND HER TEAM, AND SO IT MAY SHIFT INTO THE ROAD JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GETTING.
WHEN WE LOOK AT 250 TO 300 FEET, THAT'S 80 TO 100 YARDS.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO THINK IN TERMS OF FOOTBALL FIELDS.
WE MAY ALL COME TO THE CONCLUSION.
YEAH, THAT'S IT'S A LONG WAY TO GET DOWN THERE WITH YOUR BIRTHDAY CAKE AND OTHER THINGS, AND IT MAY SHIFT OR IT MAY GO OUT ALTOGETHER.
IT MAY GET CUT FROM THE PROGRAM.
SO THERE WILL BE AN ESTIMATOR.
THE NUMBER WILL GET TIGHTER AND TIGHTER AND TIGHTER, AND AS YOU GET APPROVED DESIGN DEVELOPMENT DRAWINGS, THERE WILL BE A NUMBER THAT WE'RE DESIGNING TO AND DURING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT'LL STAY THAT WAY AND THEY'LL BE A FINAL NUMBER BEFORE IT GOES OUT FOR BID.
>> CAN I GO BACK AGAIN. [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS IS A GOOD ONE. I JUST WAS LOOKING AT THE BIG BASEBALL FIELD AND THE PARKING SO CLOSE.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT KEEPS THE FOUL BALLS FROM HITTING WINDSHIELDS, OR IS THEY'RE LIKE A NETTING THERE OR IS THAT OPEN?
>> WELL, THERE COULD BE A NETTING THERE.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WORRIED ME ABOUT THE PARKING LOT BEING SO CLOSE TO THE BIG FIELD, BECAUSE THOSE BALLS ARE GOING TO COME OFF A LOT.
HARDER AT THE BIG FIELD THAN THE LITTLE ONE.
>> DR. JACKSON, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY ELSE FROM MAYBE ABLC OR PARKS BOARD? MEGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROVIDE? BONNY GO AHEAD.?
>> THIS IS A QUESTION THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HANDLE AS COUNSEL, BUT I GUESS MY LOOKING SAYS WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE BETWEEN DOING THE AMPHITHEATER AND POSSIBLY THE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS.
ARE BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS GOING TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE FINAL DESIGN SO THAT AS THINGS ARE WORKING THROUGH,
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OR WHO MAKES THE DECISION? IS THAT GOING TO BE A VOTE BY PARKS, ABLC, AND COUNSEL OR?>> I DON'T WANT TO [OVERLAPPING] SPEAK TO THAT.
>> I'LL SPEAK TO THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEKING DIRECTION BASED ON ABLC AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD'S INPUT TONIGHT.
MY RECOMMENDATION AS A STAFFER IS THAT YOU'VE LISTENED TO EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE SAID AND THAT WE IDENTIFY WHICH CONCEPT WE PREFER TO MOVE WITH SO THAT WE ARE ONLY DESIGNING ONE CONCEPT WHEN WE MOVE INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.
>> THANK YOU. MEGAN. CHRIS, YOU WANT TO GET A CONSENSUS FROM YOUR PARKS BOARD? [NOISE]
>> MY OPINION IS THAT, WE BUILT THIS PARK TO GET RID OF, DEVELOP SOMETHING HERE AND THEN IT IS A BASEBALL CENTER.
I WOULD HAVE DONE MORE TOWARDS, THE TWO FUTURE BASEBALL FIELDS THAN.
NOW YOU HAVE TO REPEAT EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
>> ALL RIGHT, LET ME START OVER. WHEN WE STARTED THIS FIELD YEARS AGO, MY FATHER AND I DONATED THOSE 82 ACRES FOR THIS PARK.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO IS GET OUT OF WELCH, IT WAS DECAYING BASICALLY, AND CREATE A NEW BALL FIELD.
WE DID A LOT OF THAT BUT IF OUR COMMUNITY GROWS, WE'RE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE.
I THINK THERE IS OTHER PLACES TO CONSIDER A AMPHITHEATER, OR SOME MUSIC VENUE, BUT TO ME, TWO BALL FIELDS WOULD SERVE THE PURPOSE OF GROWTH FOR THAT PART.
OTHERS, REST OF THE PARKS BOARD, WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS?
>> I'M NOT FOR AN AMPHITHEATER.
>>OKAY [LAUGHTER].WE GOT MAJORITY OF BASEBALL. ABLC.
>> ABLC. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. WE HAVE A LARGE DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE RIGHT, WE PUT THIS OUT THERE, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH I STILL HAVE AT, MY HOUSE, IS TO PUT AN AMPHITHEATER OUT THERE.
WE DIDN'T AT THAT TIME, THINK WE CAN ONLY DO ONE THING AT EACH PARK.
TO ME, WE SHOULD BE AS INCLUSIVE AS POSSIBLE, WITHOUT TRYING TO THINK WE CAN BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE ALWAYS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, I LOVE WHAT YOU DID, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY INEXPENSIVE AS THESE KINDS OF NUMBERS GO.
TO LOOK AT THE AMPHITHEATER, WE DON'T NEED THOSE AS THE TWO FIELDS RIGHT NOW.
IF WE DECIDE THAT WE NEED TO, THAT WE'VE OUTGROWN THAT, IF ALL OF THESE HOUSES FILL UP, OKAY, THEN IT'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE TO MAKE THE TURNAROUND.
YET WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN DO AT PARKS.
WE DON'T JUST HAVE TO PLAY BASEBALL OR JUST HAVE TO PLAY SOFTBALL AT A PARK.
WE'RE JUST ACROSS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY HAVE A PRETTY COOL THEATER PROGRAM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CONNECT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT.
I THINK WE CAN DO MORE THAN JUST MAKE THIS PARK FOR BASEBALL PLAYERS.
I HAD TWO BASEBALL PLAYERS, SO IT'S NOT LIKE I DON'T ENJOY IT, I DO LOVE IT.
BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S MY OPINION AND I'M OKAY TO BE STANDING UP ALL BY MYSELF ON THAT ONE.
>> YOU MIGHT HAVE REINFORCEMENTS COMING. DR. JACKSON.
>> YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT ENFORCEMENT.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF BASEBALL PARKS, I REALLY DO.
BUT JUST AS [INAUDIBLE], THIS COMMUNITY CHANGING AND WE BECOMING MORE DIVERSE, AS WELL AS FOR CULTURE.
TO HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER WOULD BE SOMETHING REALLY NEAT.
THE THING IS I KNOW THE EXPENSE MAY BE THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE AND MATERIALS AND SUCH.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOME OTHER OPTIONS FOR US LIKE MAYBE SOMETHING SPECIFIC, THE NATURE OF AMPHITHEATER.
THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE COST-EFFECTIVE.
I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MAYBE SOMETHING WE SHOULD MAYBE REVISIT.
I KNOW ABLC ARE CURIOUS AND SHALL WE GOT AHEAD AND I GUESS TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE BOTH.
WHETHER WE DO THE MOST EXPENSIVE UPFRONT NOW, AND THEY JUST GO AND DO THE PARK LATER WITH THE BASEBALL FIELD.
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SOMETHING WE CAN THINK ABOUT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT AT EACH OF THOSE THINGS.>> THANK YOU, DR. JACKSON. [NOISE].
>> WE DISCUSSED AT A PRIOR MEETING AND ABOUT, SIMILAR WHAT SHALDON IS TALKING ABOUT,A AMPHITHEATER BUT NOT ANYTIME, THAT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE.
EARTHEN HILL BARN WHERE WE HAVE A SMALL-SCALE VERSION OF MILLER OUTDOOR THEATER OR SOMETHING.
YOU HAVE SLOPED EARTHEN HILL, YOU HAVE A LITTLE STAGE, SOMETHING VERY MINOR.
THERE MAY BE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN LOOK IN A CORNER, YOU CAN FIND AN AREA WHERE WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT IF FOR SOME REASON WE CREATED ANOTHER ONE ELSEWHERE, IT'S JUST THE KIDS COULD PLAY ON IT.
I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING SIMPLER ONE TIME.
>> DID YOU LOOK AT THE DETAILED COST OF THIS? IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
>> IT MAY BE. MR. BARTON MAY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
>> WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT, I MEAN, WE DID LOOK AT PUTTING ONE FIELD THERE AND TUCKING IT, AND IT MAY HAD A SHORTER DISTANCE.
WE PROBABLY COULD GET A SMALL AMPHITHEATER IN THE CORNER WITH ONE FIELD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF BOTH ITEMS OR NOT? IF THE BASEBALL FOLKS COULD LIVE WITH THAT ONE TO A 200-FOOT FIELD THERE, AND A SMALL AMPHITHEATER THERE.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF AMPHITHEATERS THAT WERE JUST SMALL VENUES.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE 300 PEOPLE, THAT'S FOR MORE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE SOME LITTLE EVENT WHERE YOU GOT A FOLK SINGER OUT THERE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE YOUR FOURTH OF JULY BIG BANG THERE IN A 300 SPACE AMPHITHEATER.
>> BUT WE COULD DO ONE, AND THE AMPHITHEATER.
KEEP IN MIND AS YOU MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, I KEEP SAYING WE, BUT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SQUEEZING AND A LOT OF TURNING.
ONE THING NEAT ABOUT THE MORE CONFINED YOUR SPACE, THE MORE CREATIVE YOU BECOME.
WHEN YOU HAVE LIMITS AND CONSTRAINTS, IT GIVES YOU A MORE UNIQUE DESIGN, AND CHALLENGES THE DESIGNERS, BUT ALSO TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE SPACE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. BARTON, I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> I DO KNOW TALKING TO THE LITTLE LEAGUE PRESIDENT LAST NIGHT, THERE'S 50 TEAMS SIGNED UP FOR FALL BALL, WHICH IS A LOT.
THE NEED IS GOING TO BE THERE VERY SHORTLY FOR MORE FIELDS.
THE FOUR FIELDS HAVE BEEN GREAT, THEY'VE FOUND WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I AGREE WITH MR. BARTON, AND HONESTLY, IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD SAY NOT PROGRAM THAT ENTIRE AREA AND LEAVE IT OPEN FOR EXPANSION, AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE COULD DO.
BUT IF IT CAME DOWN TO IT, I THINK MOST OF US ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THE BIG FIELD.
IT'S JUST WHETHER TO HAVE THE TWO SMALL FIELDS OR THE AMPHITHEATER.
CHARLENE, I AGREE FROM A COST STANDPOINT, THAT IT'S A NO-BRAINER WITH THE AMPHITHEATER BEING CHEAPER.
BUT I ALSO THINK, IF WE OVER PROGRAM THIS PARK, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT AREA.
THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK SAYING, WELL, WE'VE GOT TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE.
OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START PLAYING BASEBALL IN ANOTHER PARK AND DOING THAT KIND OF THING LIKE WE DID BEFORE BACK IN THE EIGHTIES WITH WELCH AND EDWARDS.
I LIKE MR. BARTON'S IDEA OF PUTTING ONE SMALL FIELD IN AND PUTTING A SMALLER AMPHITHEATER, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE COST ON BOTH SIDES.
I'M ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE I'M ON ABLC, SO THAT'S MY OPPORTUNITY.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO COUNTER BECAUSE I'M ON PARKS BOARD.
>> I THINK PROBABLY THE REASON THE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS LEANED TOWARD THE BASEBALL FIELD.
I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IN PARKS BOARD ABOUT OTHER AREAS WHERE WE COULD DO AN AMPHITHEATER, SO I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME OPTIONS FOR THAT WILL WORK OUT AS WELL OR BETTER.
BUT HEARING FROM PARENTS, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE HAVING TO DROP KIDS OFF 20 DIFFERENT PLACES TO GET ALL THEIR KIDS TO ALL THEIR GAMES.
THE MORE WE CAN CENTRALIZE ACTIVITIES IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BASEBALL FIELDS,
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WE NEED TO DO A TOP JOB OF DOING THAT, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO OVER PROGRAM WITH OTHER THINGS.[OVERLAPPING] THAT FACILITATE THAT PARTICULAR EXERCISE.
WE HAVE OTHER PLACES, WE CAN PUT SOME OTHER THINGS IN PARKS.
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHY I SAID MAYBE JUST LEAVE ONE.
INSTEAD OF PUTTING BOTH FIELDS IN, JUST LEAVE ONE AREA BLANK FOR NOW, AND THAT'LL SAVE MONEY, AND WHEN WE GET THERE WE ALREADY HAVE THE SPOT PICKED OUT FOR IT.
>> MY THOUGHT, MAYBE IT'S ALONG LINES OF BONNIE'S THOUGHT.
I DON'T REALLY SURE, MAYBE IT'S NOT.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR PARK SYSTEM, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT OUR PARK SYSTEM AS A MASTER PLAN IN TOTAL.
WE MAY BE MISSING SOMETHING BY PIECE MILLING OUR PARK SYSTEM, LOOKING AT H1 UNIQUELY, AND AGREEING WITH BONNIE'S THOUGHT PROCESS.
TO ME, AND THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT, BUT LAKESIDE PARK IS NOT A SPORTS VENUE.
IT'S A PARK DEDICATED TO LIFESTYLE, COMFORT, AND NATURE WALKING.
IT'S GOT NATURE AREAS I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD GATEWAY TO THE CITY.
THIS IS MORE OF A FUNCTIONAL PARK.
THIS IS A PARK THAT SATISFYING ANOTHER NEED IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS LITTLE LEAGUE.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, I MEAN LITTLE LEAGUE HAS BEEN A PART OF ANGLETON, PART OF TEXAS, PART OF AMERICA, PROBABLY WILL CONTINUE ON FOR A LONG TIME INTO THE FUTURE.
I AGREE, AS A PARENT, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING AND CHALLENGING.
IT'S ALREADY CHALLENGING ENOUGH THAT YOU HAVE MULTIPLE KIDS INVOLVED.
JUST GENERALLY THAT'S HOW FAMILIES ARE RAISED.
THEIR KIDS ARE GROUPED TOGETHER WITHIN SEVERAL YEARS OF EACH OTHER, AND GO THROUGH THAT LIFE PHASE IF YOU WILL.
IF YOU WERE SOMEHOW BEING PULLED BY OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, AND I'VE EXPRESSED THIS BEFORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AROUND AND SAY SOMEBODY IN THE PAST DIDN'T LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF AN AMPHITHEATER, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER THOUGHTS I WANT TO SHARE.
ON THE NORTH SIDE, I THINK THERE WOULD, AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, SHOULD CONSIDER SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY ACCESS OF A 523.
IF SOMETHING CRAZY WERE TO HAPPEN AT THE PAWN THERE, OR AN INJURY OR WHATEVER HAPPENS AND THE ONLY ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY IS TO GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OFF OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF FREEDOM, AND THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE BRIDGE TO GET THERE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT PRESENTS SOMETHING AGAIN, TRYING TO THINK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE, THAT AT LEAST IF EMERGENCY VEHICLE HAD TO AT LEAST PULL ACROSS MAYBE A COVERT OR SOMETHING OFF OF 523, AT LEAST GET ACROSS THERE, A PLATFORM OR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY COULD QUICKLY ACCESS, WHETHER IT WAS FIRING A MASS OR JUST WHATEVER WOULD HAVE TO BE, BUT I WOULD HATE TO BE IN THE POSITION WHERE WE DIDN'T LEAVE ACCESS FOR AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A GREAT DESIGN FEATURE.
IT'S NOT PROBABLY THE WAY WE WANT TO SPEND SOME MONEY ANYWAY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO CONSIDER AT LEAST AN ACCESS POINT INTO THE PARK OFF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARK JUST IN CASE, LIKE I SAID, WORST-CASE SCENARIO HAPPENS, DROWNING OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW AND I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
IF I COULD JOIN CHRIS'S THOUGHT, I JUST HOPE IS MUCH OF THE WOODLANDS CAN SURVIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT'S MORE OF A NATURE SITE, WHEREAS I SEE IT'S LIKE I SAID, THE SOUTH SIDE SERVES MORE OF A FUNCTIONAL, ALTHOUGH IT'S, TO ME, BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED.
I MEAN, I THINK OF ALL OF THE WORLD GREAT IDEAS, AND I WANT TO GET INTO THE MINUTIAE OF IT BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALL PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT AND IDEAS IN IT.
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST A STARTING POINT, BUT IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD BUT MY IDEA WOULD BE FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, MAYBE THEY PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER WITH ABLC.
LET'S COME TOGETHER, THIS IS JUST MY IDEA, OF FINDING A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER.
I MEAN, WE DO AT LAKESIDE PARK, WE WILL HAVE A PAVILION THAT WILL PROVIDE A PLACE TO SET UP A MUSIC VENUE, IF WE WANTED TO.
I KNOW IT'S NOT MAYBE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, BUT THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND [INAUDIBLE] WAS SPEAKING ABOUT AND LITERALLY YOU ARE ALL COMMITTED.
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FOR SURE IF YOU PUT YOUR HEADS TOGETHER, VERY SMART PEOPLE THAT WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.>> NOT TO MENTION A 40 BY 40 PAVILION THAT'S GOING TO BE IN HERE.
>> YES, I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO COMMENT ON THAT.
>> THAT CAN BE USABLE WITH THE STAGE.
>> THIS IS A MASTER PLAN, OF COURSE.
THE IDEA BEHIND JUST A DIFFERENT SPACE IS THAT ONE: IT'S TO ALLOCATE A PARTICULAR USE FOR THAT AREA, NOT NECESSARILY TO BUILD IT NOW.
IF THE FUNDS ARE THERE AND YOU ARE WILLING TO GO FOR IT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL BUT IT'S A PLACEHOLDER AS WELL AS THE PARTY PAVILION.
IF THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SPOT, THE PARTY PAVILION ITSELF COULD BE PART OF THE GRANDSTAND AREA AND THE REST OF THE LAWN COULD BE THE OPENS, WATCHING OR VIEWING, OR LISTENING SPACE AS WELL.
WE STILL HAVE SOME BERMING SPACES TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF AMBIANCE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT COULD STILL BE A BIG, LARGE OPEN SPACE.
>> TRUE. IF YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. USE THAT HOUSE.
>> IN TERMS OF MASTER PLANNING, LAKESIDE PARK TO ME IS NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR AN AMPHITHEATER BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING AND WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PARKING IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA AT ALL.
HERE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING AS WELL, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMPETING NOISE OF A CONCERT VENUE RIGHT BESIDE A BASEBALL AND THE AMPHITHEATER ON A SATURDAY NIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT'S VERY LIKELY TO HAPPEN AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR ALL OF THESE EVENTS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME.
I REALLY THINK THAT THE AMPHITHEATER AREA NEAR WHERE WE HAVE OUR CONCERTS NOW, SOMEPLACE WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING WHERE WE CAN HAVE FOOD TRUCKS, WHERE WE CAN HAVE OTHER VANS, BIGGER VANS.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AND PARKING IS THE KEY, FOR ALL OF THAT.
I JUST DON'T THINK EITHER ONE OF THESE PARKS HAS ENOUGH FOR THAT, BUT I LOVE THE AMPHITHEATER.
I WANT ONE WHEN I'VE GOTTEN ENOUGH. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE AND I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK LIKE [INAUDIBLE].
ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE ITEM.
THEN, MEGAN, YOU DON'T NEED THEM TO VOTE, RIGHT? I THINK WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE NEED FROM COUNCIL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. IF YOU'D HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION THEN THAT WILL CONCLUDE THIS WORK SESSION AND THEN YOU GUYS, CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE ACTION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT DO YOU SEE AS CORRECT DIRECTION, MEGAN?
>> I DO THINK THAT THE DIRECTION IS THE HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANSION.
ONE THING THAT I WILL MENTION, IF WE PUT A PARK AMENITY IN PLACE AND IT IS USED, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF STRIFE TURNING OUT INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT RECOMMENDATION TOO.
LET'S CONSIDER NOT PROGRAMMING THIS AREA.
THEY DID A GREAT JOB SEGMENTING EACH OF THESE SECTIONS, WHETHER IT'S PASSIVE, ACTIVE, FAMILY AREA, LET'S LOOK AT CONSIDERING THOSE OPTIONS FOR DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, LEAVING IT OPEN AND DESIGNING THE PAVILION TO BE OUR AMPHITHEATER SHELTER, IF YOU WILL, THAT CAN THEN PROJECT OUTER OPEN SPACE.
WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT THAT OPEN SPACE WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED, BUT IT WOULD BE MULTI-USE AT THAT POINT.
WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ANY ONE AMENITY BECAUSE I DO THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO PUT A BERMING AND A SHELTER ON THE NORTHERN AND THEN SAY, 10 YEARS LATER DOWN THE ROAD, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THIS AND TURN IT INTO TWO FIELDS, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS USED BY THE HIGH SCHOOL OR OTHER USER GROUPS.
I DO THINK THE PARK'S BOARD FOLKS MADE VALID POINTS.
WE HAVE OTHER PARTS THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM THAT WE COULD CONSIDER ALSO, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN PROGRAM THE PAVILION FOR THAT TYPE OF USE AND JUST TO PAIR ON TO CHRIS' COMMENTS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FIELDS USAGE, IT'S PRETTY SEASONAL AND WE CAN AND DO ADAPT A LOT OF OUR PROGRAMMING AND EVENTS AROUND THAT.
I THINK WE CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THE COMPETING FACTORS THERE.
IT'S JUST ALL ABOUT PROGRAMMING ALL ELEMENTS THAT ARE THERE AND THINKING LONG-TERM.
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I THINK LEAVING THAT SPACE OPEN WOULD BE THE DIRECTION I WOULD PROVIDE TO THE COUNCIL.>> I'D LIKE TO ADD. IF AMPHITHEATER AND A SMALL, OR LESS THAN 200-FOOT BASEBALL FIELD OR YOU START OFF WITH T-BALL AND COACHES PITCH TOO.
THEY DON'T ALL NEED THE FULL LENGTH FOR YOU.
THEN THEY'RE USUALLY WOULD JUST HAVE FROM PLACEHOLDERS THERE VERSUS IF THE NEED ARISES, WANTS TO GROWTH, KIDS HERE, WE NEED TO PUT IN A FIFTH FIELD OR A SIXTH FIELD, THEN IT'S THERE.
WHEN THE MONEY GETS HERE TO DO THIS STUFF WITH, THIS NEEDS TO HAVE SOME GOOD THOUGHTFUL PROCESS ON HOW WE WANT TO PURSUE DESIGNING THIS, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING BOTH AMPHITHEATER AND THE BALL FIELD.
YET IT'S TOUGH TO TURN ONE THING INTO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT WHEN YOUR POPULATION TELLS YOU, TURN IT INTO A BALL FIELD THEN YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE POPULATION TELLS YOU TO DO IF IT'S REALLY STRONGLY SUPPORTED AT THAT TIME.
>> MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT IS, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO FIND ANOTHER AMPHITHEATER SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND YOU MAY HAVE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP IT SOMEWHERE, NOW, INSTEAD OF, I MEAN NOW WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK AND FIND A NEW AMPHITHEATER LOCATION.
I MEAN IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DEVELOP IT NOW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE] PLACEHOLDER.
POSSIBLE AMPHITHEATER, POSSIBLE SMALLER BASEBALL FIELD BUT NOT BUILD IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED THIS WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTED HERE.
>> JUST LIKE LAKESIDE, WE STARTED CUTTING THINGS OUT.
>> YEAH, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PLAN AND THEN YOU'RE JUST GOING TO FALL FLAT OUT OF YOUR PLACE.
IT GOING TO BE LIKE THIS 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
>> CAN I ASK ABOUT DETENTION? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP.
WERE YOU ABLE TO USE SOME OF THAT WESTERN PART OF THE PARK FOR YOUR OVERFLOW DETENTION OR WHERE HAS IT ALL CONCENTRATED IN THE POND THAT WE SEE THEY'RE IN BLUE?
>> IT IS IN BOTH OF THEM. YES, SIR.
YEAH, WE WORKED WITH CLAUDIA VERY WELL.
WENT BACK AND FORTH IN GUIDANCE OF A SEARCH VEHICLE.
>> YEAH BECAUSE WHEN THAT EXTREME VEHICLE COMES [LAUGHTER], IT NEEDS THE FLIP MIDDLE OUT SOMEPLACE ELSE BESIDES ROUTE DURING THAT WHOLE, OKAY?
>> OKAY. COUNCIL, WE WILL TAKE THIS ITEM UP ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX IN THE NEXT MEETING.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED ON THE WORK SESSION NUMBER 1, AT 7: 15. THANK YOU ALL.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.