[1. Call to Order and announce a quorum is present.]
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WE HAVE A QUORUM.IT IS WHAT IS IT? IT IS 6 0 6 ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH.
SO I'M GOING TO CALL US TO ORDER AND WHAT ARE, WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES FROM LAST TIME, RIGHT?
[2. Discussion and possible action on the previously proposed charter amendments.]
BECAUSE FRANCIS WASN'T HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON OR POSSIBLE ACTION ON PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FROM OUR LAST MEETING.SO DO YOU ALL WANT TO RUN US THROUGH THOSE AND WE'LL SURE.
SO, UH, ON AUGUST 17, WE BEGAN WITH ARTICLE FOUR.
AND IF YOU DO, THEY HAVE THE WORD VERSION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 4.01 C THREE, HE SAID THE CITY MANAGER, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIRECTORS.
AND SO I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE NEW CITY EMPLOYEE POLICY MANUAL.
IT'S VERY ODD, BUT THEY HAVE BOTH.
UM, AND WHEN WE WROTE THE NEW EMPLOYEE POLICY MANUAL, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO CHANGE THE PHYSICIANS.
SO, UM, I WENT AHEAD AND ADDED, UH, REMOVE ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIRECTORS, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE BOTH WITH EQUIVALENT POWERS IF THEY HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF POSITION, BUT BECAUSE THOSE POSITIONS WERE SO OLD, THEY WERE CALLED, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS.
AT LEAST THAT WAS THE EXPLANATION I WAS GIVEN.
SO, UM, THERE'S THAT, SO THAT, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT BECAUSE I ADDED IT.
IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU DISCUSSED.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN FURTHER, RED LINES ARE NOT SHOWING UP MY RED LINE TERM BLUE MINOR.
I ASSUMED IT WAS MY NEW CLASS, THE BLUE LIGHT.
WELL, MY COMMENTS ARE SHOWING UP, BUT NOT MY RED LINES.
LET'S TRY A DIFFERENT VERSION.
IF YOU GO TO THE BACK,
AND I'M WONDERING IF, BECAUSE IT WAS OPEN AND THEN I GOT ON THE INTERNET HERE THAT SOMEHOW THAT SPEAKING OF A B MOVIE I WATCHED IN COLLEGE ABOUT THE SHEETS, BECAUSE I ASKED, OKAY, LET'S DO IT THIS WAY.
THAT IS SO WHAT, ALL RIGHT THERE THEY ARE.
SO WE WERE AT 4.01 CITY MANAGER.
SO YOUR DISCUSSION ON 4.01 A, UH, YOU DECIDED SUPER MAJORITY FOR, UM, APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL.
SO I'VE MADE BOTH OF THOSE CHANGES AND ON, UH, THE TERM AND SALARY SECTION B, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, ADDING THE REQUIREMENT FOR A WRITTEN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS NOT IN THERE BEFORE.
SO I'VE ADDED THAT SENTENCE THERE.
THEN IF YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, THE REFERENCE TO THE WRITTEN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT IS MADE AND THE ADDITION OF THE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW AND THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, NO MORE THAN TWICE IN ANY FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I PUT IT.
SO THEN, UM, C WAS WHERE I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD.
UM, I ALSO ANY REFERENCE THAT WAS MASCULINE, I CHANGED IT.
UM, SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ THAT THROUGH, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN CHANGE IT SOME OTHER WAY.
I WAS MOST COMFORTABLE WITH JUST SAYING THE CITY MANAGER.
I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE THE
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SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, WE CAN CHANGE IT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT IT READ BETTER AND IT WAS MORE DIRECT THAT WAY.UM, NO WIGGLE ROOM THAT'S RIGHT.
THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER FORMS WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN, WE ADDED SECTION SIX ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER, UH, FAITHFULLY ATTENDING ALL CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND BITING BY ALL TEXAS LOSS.
AND THEN AT 4.0, TO DEPARTMENT OF POLICE, AGAIN, I REMOVED, UH, THE HES.
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT READS, WE CAN THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE, BUT JUST TO ME, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, AND THE, THE, UH, APPOINTMENT OF THE POLICE CHIEF WILL BE MADE BY THE CITY MANAGER.
AND I REMOVED THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL.
THAT IS SOMETHING YOU DISCUSSED.
UH, A CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INSTEAD OF HIS, UH, AND AGAIN, I PUT CHIEF OF PLACES THAT HAVE HE, AND WE REMOVED THE MYSTERIOUS, SPECIAL PLACE SINCE WE KNOW WHAT THE SPECIAL POLICE ARE, BUT THEY'RE NO LONGER IN THERE.
SO THEN YOU MOVE ON TO SECTION 4.03 CITY SECRETARY.
UM, THERE WAS NOT ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT REMOVAL OF THE CITY SECRETARY.
SO I PUT THAT NOTE ON THE SIDE THAT, SORRY, SORRY.
FRANCIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
UM, BUT I DID LOOK AT A FEW OTHER CITY CHARTERS AND REALIZE THAT THEY DID HAVE A PROVISION ABOUT THE REMOVAL AND ON THAT WILL THERE, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT IT'S NOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER, UH, APPOINTS A COMPETENT PERSON TO CITY SECRETARY AND ANY ASSISTANCE AND CITY MANAGER, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION ON CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT'S CITY, SECRETARY REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.
AND SO HERE IS WHERE I, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE SAID, I'VE JUST COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
SO I REALLY NEED YOU TO READ THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS COME UP WITH SOMETHING ACTUALLY MATCHES WHAT YOU DISCUSSED AND WHAT YOU WERE THINKING AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL SERVE AS A LIAISON BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY EMPLOYEES AND CITY COUNCIL.
SO YOU DIDN'T SAY CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT TO SOME DEGREE, YOUR CITY EMPLOYEES CAN'T GO STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO STRAIGHT TO CITY EMPLOYEES AND ON THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, THAT IS WHAT YOUR CITY SECRETARY DOES.
YOU COULD, WE CAN REWORD IT HOWEVER YOU WANT, OR BRADY SOMEHOW DOESN'T LIKE IT.
UM, HOWEVER, SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF A CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU SAY.
SO, UM, THAT IS A SENTENCE THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT SINCE I CREATED IT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER, UH, REVISIONS ARE TO REMOVAL OF THE WORD HIM AND WE REMOVED 4.0 FOR CITY TREASURER COMPLETELY.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE OFF THAT ANY ISSUE ON THE CITY, SECRETARY, FROM ANYBODY AT THE BIG TABLE, INCLUDING THE CITY SECRETARY, IT SOUNDS A LITTLE WEIRD TO ME.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, UM, IT ALMOST READS AS WELL.
LIKE I'M THE GO TO PERSON BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEES AND THE CITY MANAGER? UH, WELL, THAT, THAT, WASN'T MY INTENT.
SO IF IT'S THAT WAY WE NEED TO UPSET.
SO THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S THE WAY IT READ TO ME, THE CHARTER COMMISSION MEMBERS GOT ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
SO THE WORD LIAISON, IS THAT WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S THE GO-TO? I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY THE TWO ANS CAUSE IT COULD BE ANY COMBINATION OF THOSE.
CAUSE THAT'S HOW IT READ TO ME AS WELL.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HASH OUT WHATEVER THEY NEED TO HASH OUT.
AND THEN, WELL, THE EMPLOYEES SHOULD NOT BE GOING TO COUNCIL.
THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO ASSOCIATE MANAGER.
AND THE CITY SECRETARY, THE LIAISON, I MEAN, SHE DOES ALL THE STUFF FOR COUNCIL.
I FEEL LIKE THE CITY SECRETARY AS THAT LIAISON BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS, BUT NOT SO MUCH LIKE THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIRECT, I HAVE A DIRECT LINE OF COMMUNICATION DON'T THEY? WHEREAS, AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES WOULD WORK TO THE CITY MANAGER.
EVEN THOUGH THEY DO A LOT DURING NEED AS WELL,
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BUT SHOULD THEY, SHOULD THEY BE TAKING THAT TOO? OKAY.BUT HE, HE DELEGATES IT TO DELEGATE.
SO DO WE NEED THE SENTENCE AT ALL? THE ONLY REASON I PUT IT IN THERE WAS BECAUSE I TOOK NOTES THAT THAT WORD KEPT COMING UP WITHOUT ANY DIRECTION SO WE CAN TAKE IT OUT.
SO AS I RECALL THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT, UH, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A CHAIN OF COMMAND, THAT IF SOMEBODY ON CITY COUNCIL NEEDS SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA OR WHATEVER THEY GO TO YOU.
SO TH THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT.
DOES IT MEAN WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN THERE AT ALL? I AM JUST MA THE, THE SENTENCE REFLECTED WHAT YOU GUYS DISCUSSED IN A GENERAL WALL CITY, THE CITY SECRETARY IS THE CITY MANAGER FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES.
SHE RUNS SHE, OR HE RUNS THE SHOP.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET A CITY ADMINISTRATOR OR THE BIGGER CITIES, WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO A COUPLE OF THOUSAND ON OUR CITY, YOU USUALLY OUR CITY MANAGER OR CITY ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH ARE THE SAME THING JUST DIFFERENT TIMES.
SO IF YOU REMOVE IT, UH, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH VERBIAGE THERE FOR WHAT THE CITY SECRETARY DOES? I GUESS THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LEFT WITH, RIGHT? SO IF YOU REMOVE THAT SENTENCE, IT SAYS THE CITY SECRETARY OR AN ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY SHE'LL GIVE NOTICE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS SHALL KEEP THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF SUCH MEETINGS AND SHELL, UH, AUTHENTICATE BY SIGNATURE AND RECORD IN FULL IN A BOOK, KEPT AN INDEX FOR THE PURPOSE.
I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT, BUT OKAY.
ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN.
AND THOSE ALGEBRA PROVIDING THE CHARTER.
SHOULD I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT AGENDA COUNCIL'S AGENDA? I MEAN, CAUSE THAT'S VERY BIG COUNCIL MEETINGS.
MR. KEVIN, KEEP THE MINUTES PROCEEDING SUCH AS COMPASS GENERATING THE AGENDA FOR UPCOMING MEETINGS, I GUESS.
WELL, IT ALSO SAYS LIKE, AND OTHER DUTIES.
SO I MEAN THAT COULD TECHNICALLY COVER THAT AND A WIDE VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S LIKE, DO WE NEED TO NECESSARILY LIST EVERYTHING THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO? I MEAN, I WOULD DELETE THE WORDS IN FULL IN A BOOK, CAPTAIN INDEX FOR THE PURPOSE.
SO IT WOULD READ, AUTHENTICATE A SIGNATURE AND RECORD ALL ORDINANCES AND RESIGNATIONS THAT SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES IS THE CITY MANAGER MAY ASSIGN THOSE OTHER SERVICES PROVIDED IN THE CHARTER.
I THOUGHT THE CITY MANAGER'S DUTIES HAD THE AGENDA, WHICH THEY DON'T DO IS THE CITY SECRETARY TERRY.
SO YOU MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT I LOOKED AT THE RECORDING OF THE MEETING AND THERE WAS ALL, THERE WAS, WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND.
UM, SO TO ME THAT THERE WAS NO REAL DECISION MADE ON HOW TO MODIFY THAT PARAGRAPH.
SO DO YOU HAVE THE, UH, SO CAN YOU SHOW THEM THAT ON THE, ON THE SCREEN 4.03, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF RED LINE ON THE PDF, SO IT'S NOT IN CITY MANAGER ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT.
I JUST DON'T RECALL SEEING AGENDA REALLY LAID OUT ANYWHERE.
I GUESS IT'S JUST IMPLICIT
CITY MANAGER, MAYOR TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PLACE.
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NO, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT SHE USED IN THE CHARTER.SO IT SHOULD GO IN THE CITY SECRETARY.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE BROADCASTING ON FACEBOOK? JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY, BUT WE ARE RECORDING IT.
SO IF WE TAKE OUT IN A FULL BOOK AND CAPTAIN INDEX FOR PURPOSE AND AFTER RESOLUTIONS AND PREPARE THE AGENDA FOR MEETINGS AND SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES THAT SHOULD GET IT COVERED.
RIGHT?
WE'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH ANYONE THAT YOU'RE WORKING TO.
I LIKE THE WAY IT SOUNDS, BUT THIS WAS FUNCTIONAL.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MORE WORDS.
SO THEN DID YOU JUST READ IT WITH THE RED LINE OUT? SO THEN THE RECOMMENDED DURATION FROM GRADY IS THAT IT WILL READ, UM, THE CITY SECRETARY TAKE OUT THE NEXT THREE LINES AND SHALL PERFORM SUCH DUTIES.
AS THE CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN THE CITY SECRETARY, LET'S JUST READ THE PARAGRAPH.
SO THE CITY MANAGER, I'M READING, NOT READING THE STRIKEOUTS SHALL APPOINT A COMPETENT PERSON, THE CITY SECTOR IN SUCH ASSISTANCE AS THE CITY MANAGER SHALL DEEM ADVISABLE.
WE DELETE THE INSERT IN THE NEXT SENTENCE.
THE CITY SECTOR ASSISTANCE SECRETARY SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF COUNCIL MEETING SHALL KEEP THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF SUCH MEETINGS IN SHELL INDICATE BY SIGNATURE AND RICARD, ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS THAT SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES.
AS THE CITY MANAGER SHELL IS, UH, THOSE ELSEWHERE PROVIDED IN THE CHARTER AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
I WOULD GO BACK UP THERE WHERE IT SAYS, GIVE NOTICE OF THE MEETINGS SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS, PREPARE THE AGENDA SHALL KEEP THE MINUTES.
SO THAT FLOWS THE WAY DID YOU GET THAT? BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN RECORDING TRACK.
CAUSE NORMALLY THE OFFICE WOULD BE DYING BACK
I WANT TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION, SORRY.
ABOUT 4.02 DEPARTMENT OF POLICE.
DID WE REALLY SUGGEST TAKING OUT THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE? I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING OF HIM AS SUCH A FIGUREHEAD FOR THE CITY.
IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE ONE THING WHERE WE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A STREAMLINE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND ALSO BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE VERY NATURE OF ITS FUNCTIONS IS SO DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE THE CITY DOES.
AND BECAUSE THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS A FIGURE HEAD.
I, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU TAKE IT OFF THE, WITH THE APPROVAL CITY COUNCIL TO SAY IT GIVES A LOT, I MEAN, I FEEL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO REMOVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS IT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE MORE BALANCED IS IF YOU NEED THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL TO REMOVE THEM, SHOULDN'T YOU ALSO NEED THE APPROVAL TO PUT THEM IN THERE IN THE FOREST.
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I WOULD ALMOST TAKE OUT THAT APPROVAL PHRASE AND LET THE CHIEF OF POLICE ADMINISTER HIS DEPARTMENT, HOW HE SEES FIT.CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY CITY MANAGER WE HAVE IS GONNA HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT GOOD POLICE OFFICERS ARE OR NOT.
SO DEFINITELY NEED OVERSIGHT FROM ST MANAGER.
SO IS IT COMMON PRACTICE TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER WANTING TO APPLY WITHOUT COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO A POINT? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S COMMON, BUT I WILL SAY THAT, UM, WE'VE SEEN DIFFERENT VARIATIONS ON THE THEME AND KIND OF DEDUCED IT.
THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PRACTICE.
SO WE'VE SEEN CITIES WHERE CITY COUNCIL TELLS THE CHIEF OF POLICE WHAT TO DO.
UM, YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE OVERSIGHT.
SO CITY MANAGER SHOULD HAVE, I MEAN, CITY MANAGER IS THE CEO OF THE CITY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT DOING ONE THING AND CITY HALL DURING ANOTHER, FOR MANY REASONS, NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE USUALLY A TWO GEOGRAPHIC, TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
RIGHT? SO WITHOUT THAT OVERSIGHT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING TWO LITTLE FIEFDOMS. YEAH.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE APPOINTMENT THOUGH? IS IT SO THE REMOVAL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT.
AND WITH THE CURRENT, WITH THE RECENT, THAT SEEMS, YEAH, IT WAS MORE OF THE MANAGERS CALL SAY, I WANT TO DO THIS.
UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE LIKE FOR EVERY WAY THAT YOU CAN, RIGHT.
JUST THE POLITICS THAT A CHIEF CAN PLAY NOW IN ROSENBERG, THEY HAVE THE CHIEF IS A DIRECT REPORT TO COUNCIL, WHICH I THINK IS WEIRD, BUT IT WORKS.
THEY CHANGED IT WITH THE NEW MAYOR.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IN THEIR CHARTER.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, OH, IT IS.
AND NOW THE FIRE CHIEF WANTS TO BE A DIRECT REPORT TO COUNCIL IN ADDITION TO ME.
AND IN ADDITION TO THE CITY MANAGER, THAT'S A LOT DURHAM DIRECT REPORTING.
YEAH, NO, I'M TRYING TO RUN WITH THE REPORTING TO THE CITY MANAGER.
I GUESS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL APPOINTMENT.
SHOULD IT BE APPOINTMENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF COUNSEL REMOVAL WITH THE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL FOR THAT PARTICULAR OFFICE OR NO, IF WE HAVE TO BE MOBILE, CHELSEA WOULDN'T SEEMED LIKE THE APPOINTMENT SHOULD BE THE SAME.
SO DO YOU THINK THE MANAGERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO REMOVE WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL? I DON'T SEE THEM DOING IT WITHOUT COUNSEL.
THEY JUST LAW TO PREVENT THE WORK AROUND THE POLITICS, GO INTO COUNCIL.
I CAN SEE A POINTING WITH APPROVAL ACCOUNTS BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD, IT'S A FIGUREHEAD.
HE'S THE HE OR SHE IS OUT THERE WITH THE PUBLIC ALL THE TIME.
SO LIKE YOU WANT TO HAVE COUNCIL BOUGHT IN.
BUT THE REMOVAL, IF YOU HAVE WITH APPROVAL OF COUNCIL, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF POSSIBLY GOING TO COUNCIL TO SAVE THIS HIDE.
THEN THE MANAGER'S AFTER IT QUESTION IS THE MANAGER AFTER HIM FOR GOOD REASON.
WHICH I GUESS I LIKE FOR THAT PARTICULAR ROLE, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A HIGH PROFILE ROLE, THE IDEA OF THE EXECUTIVE, SO TO SPEAK, BEING CHECKED BY THE LEGISLATIVE, SO TO SPEAK, GOING BOTH WAYS.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RIGHT OR WRONG WAY.
AND I THINK, I MEAN, IT'S, AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK FORWARD BECAUSE I DON'T, MY PERCEPTION IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH PRESENT COUNCIL AND PRESENT CITY MANAGER, BUT TRYING TO LOOK INTO MY CRYSTAL BALL, VERY NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, TO SEE DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE DON'T, IF WE COME TO SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ACRIMONIOUS SITUATION, LIKE, DO WE REALLY WANT HIM TO HAVE CARP LAUNCHED? DO WE REALLY WANT,
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YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT.I MEAN LIKE, LIKE I THINK THE MORE, ALL THE SIDES IT'S LIKE TOO MUCH OF A BREACH I THINK IS FINE.
SO I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING THAT IN, BY HAVING THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO CAN WE LEAVE THAT THEN? I GUESS CHANGE OUR CHANGE AND SAY, OKAY.
THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL BE APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL AND THEN LEAVE THE CHIEF OF POLICE MAY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL.
COUNCIL DOES NOT MANDATE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU CAN HAVE A DIVIDED COUNCIL AND STILL HAVE THE APPOINTMENT OR THE REMOVAL AND GO THROUGH.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT EVEN A SUPER MAJORITY, SO OKAY.
SORRY FOR THE OUT OF TURN COMMENTING.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.
UM, I'M STILL KIND OF THINKING THROUGH THE REMOVAL PIECE, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE REPORTING TO THE CITY MANAGER, THAT COULD BE LIKE A REALLY DIFFICULT PREDICAMENT.
IF THE COUNCIL'S KEEPING SOMEONE WHO FOR SOME REASON IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY MANAGER, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE TO ME THAT SEEMS LIKE AN UNWORKABLE WORKING NON-WORKING RELATIONSHIP.
SO I ALMOST FEEL LIKE MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE MORE LEEWAY AND YOU'RE GETTING RID OF THEM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE REPORTING THAT REFLECTS UPON THE CITY MANAGER, IF THAT'S HIS DIRECT REPORT, WHO'S NOT, WHO'S NOT MEETING THAT THRESHOLD, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO CHECK UP THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DUNNO.
WELL, AND YOU KNOW, TO SOME DEGREE I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE TRANSCRIPT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE TWO PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE DON'T RECALL WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE CHANCE, DON'T EITHER.
UM, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT JAIME HAS SAID, BUT I KNOW SCOTT WAS BIG ON, UM, HAVING EVERYONE ANSWERED TO THE, DIRECTLY TO THE CITY MANAGER.
AND I THINK HIS THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY ANSWER TO COUNCIL THAT THEY WERE EQUAL TO THE CITY MANAGER, BUT THAT'S NOT, HE WAS BIG ON THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
SO SOMETHING ELSE, SO CITY MANAGER, RIGHT.
AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
SO THEN THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY, SO IS YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY BE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, BUT THEN ALSO ADD THAT THEY WOULD, UH, ANSWER DIRECTLY TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DAY TO DAY.
SO HERE'S MY QUESTION THEN FOR ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS, I NEED TO GO BACK UP AND READ THAT KEN, THE CITY MANAGER.
BASICALLY HIRE OR FIRE WITHOUT COUNCIL'S INPUT FOR EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT, THE CHIEF OF POLICE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE WHERE THEIR KEY NEEDS CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO HIRE OR REMOVE SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE CHARTER OR ORDINANCE, BUT, UM, OR SOMEWHERE WHERE IT SAYS THAT HE HAS TO GET THERE FOR WORLD COUNCIL FOR TERMINATION OF A DEPARTMENT HEAD.
DO YOU SEE ONE ON 4 0 1 C ONE SECOND SENTENCE, CITY MANAGER SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPOINT AND REMOVE ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DIRECTORS.
UH, BUT IT USED TO SAY, USED TO SAY WITH THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL AND THEN THAT GOT DELETED FOR THE SAKE OF CHAIN OF COMMAND.
RIGHT? SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE TOLD ME.
I THINK I'LL TAKE A STEP BACK.
SO, UH, I MEAN, AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I MEAN, IT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY WE'RE TAKING UP THE ISSUE AGAIN, IS BECAUSE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE HAS PULLED OUT AS ITS OWN SECTION INSTEAD OF JUST GOING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS JUST ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD, JUST LIKE HR AND FINANCE AND WHOEVER ELSE, WHICH POLICE USUALLY IS PULLED OUT.
THEY'RE USUALLY GIVEN THEIR OWN SECTION IN A CHARTER.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THEN WE SHOULD BRING IT IF IT'S TRULY JUST ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HAD THEN I GUESS FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE, IT SHOULD BE TRUE
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ARGUING THAT THERE MAY MAYBE MORE PUBLIC FACING THAN SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.I MEAN, NOBODY PROBABLY COULD.
I MEAN, YOU COULD GRAB A RANDOM CITIZEN ON THE STREET.
THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHO THE DIRECTOR OF OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS, BUT THEY WOULD PROBABLY TELL YOU, YOU ARE TWO FULL POLICES, WHICH IS MY ONLY THOUGHT FOR WHY YOU MAY NEED CITY COUNCIL BUY-IN BECAUSE THEY ARE SO THEY SHOULD HAVE THE HIRING.
BUT TO STREAMLINE, UH, THE MANAGEMENT OF EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEN IT'S THE MANAGER THAT CAN FARM IT.
OF COURSE, IF THEY FIRE VERY POPULAR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEN HIS, YOU KNOW, WATSON THIS WAY.
SO THERE IS SOME SELF CORRECTION.
SO I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU REQUIRE TO HIRE AND DON'T REQUIRE A COUNCIL FIRE, YOU'VE KIND OF MET BOTH.
KEEPS THAT CHAIN OF CAYMAN STREAMLINED.
AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING SOMEONE WHO HAS TO COME TO A CHIEF OF POLICE, YOU ASKED TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS TO REPORT ON THEIR DEPARTMENT, JUST REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.
I MEAN, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD.
I THINK READING THROUGH THE BLOG, IT THERE'S A STANDARD OF THE OFFICIALS THAT ARE IN THE CHARTER, BUT I THINK REGIONALLY, UM, THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS IN THE CHARTER IS LISTED IN THE CHARTER.
BUT I THINK SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT, LIKE A GULF COAST THING, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA, IT'S OKAY.
SO, SO, UM, I HAVE IN MY NOTES FOR 4.0 TO ONE THAT YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND AND WHAT TO PUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL BACK IN FOR HIRING AND NOT FOR TERMINATION FOR TERMINATION NOW, JUST TO LINK WITH THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL BEFORE SPECIAL.
I WONDER, I MEAN, I JUST WONDER BACK IN THE SIXTIES WHEN THEY WERE DRAFTED, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? SPECIAL.
SO WE JUMPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK DOWN.
UH, SO YOUR 4.05 CORPORATION COURT.
I MAY THAT'S ENTERED THE BUILDING SPECIAL POLICE ESCORT HERE.
HE'S NOT PULLING ME OVER AGAIN.
SO ON 4.05 CORPORATION COURT, UM, IN YOUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME YOU DECIDED TO REMOVE, UH, B IN ITS ENTIRETY AND SEE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND CHANGE D TO B, UH, BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE ADDING ASSOCIATE JUDGES AND TEMPORARY JUDGES, AND I JUST MADE THAT CHANGE.
SO THE NEW, THE TWO NEW SECTIONS, B AND C THAT WERE FORMERLY DME NOW, BOTH REFERENCE AND ASSOCIATE JUDGE AS WELL AS TEMPORARY JUDGES.
AND THEN ON A 4.06 CITY ATTORNEY, UH, THE ATTORNEY, UM, AND REMOVAL OF HE SHALL RECEIVE FOR SERVICES, SUCH COMPENSATION AND TO THE ATTORNEY OR SUCH OTHER ATTORNEYS SELECTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY SHALL REPRESENT THE CITY AND ALL LITIGATION.
SO THEN 4.0, UM, SCOTT REQUESTED AND EVERYONE AGREE THAT WE REMOVE THE OLD LANGUAGE AND SIMPLY INSERT THE STATE LAW REFERENCE.
I JUST LITERALLY LIFTED IT OUT OF THE CODE AND PUT IT HERE.
UM, SO YEAH, WE CHANGED IT TO FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE VOLUNTEER CAUSE WE DO HAVE PAID RIGHT MEMBERS.
AND THE OTHER ADDITION WAS, UM,
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THE REQUEST ADD RESCUE OPERATION.THEY DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT UM, INDEED THE GOVERNING BODY MAY OBTAIN FIRE ENGINES, OTHER FIRE PROTECTION, EQUIPMENT, RESCUE, OPERATION EQUIPMENT, AND CONTROL THESE OF THE EQUIPMENT.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT INSERTING THAT ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT I DON'T SEE THE NEED BECAUSE THE STATE LAW REFERENCES RESCUE COMPANIES, UH, IN SECTION EIGHT.
AND THEN 4.09 OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UM, WE JUST MADE IT SHORT AND SWEET.
UM, GOT RID OF EVERYTHING AFTER FOUR SERVICES.
AND NOW IT JUST SAYS, CITY COUNCIL MAY ABOLISH OR CONSOLIDATE SUCH OFFICES AND, UM, ADDED DIRECTION BY CITY MANAGER, WHICH WILL BE SECTION A DIRECTOR BY CITY MANAGER, ALL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES AT AGENCIES UNDER THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF A CITY MANAGER SHALL BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED BY AND SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTIONS, REVISIONS THE MANAGER.
SO LET'S STOP HERE FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I'M FACING THE SEA ONE OTHER CITY WHO CONTROLS THE ORG CHART.
SO YOU HAVE CITIZENS, MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, AND THEN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS UNDER THAT.
SO IF A COUNCIL AND ONE UNNAMED CITY DOESN'T LOCK THE FACT THAT THE HR DEPARTMENT IS REPORTING TO THE CHIEF OR TO THE TREASURER IN A CITY AND THEY WANT IT AS A DIRECT REPORT TO THE MANAGER IS THAT CITY COUNCIL'S BUSINESS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE ORG CHART ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, OR IS THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S PURVIEW TO, IF YOU'VE CREATED IT, I SET IT UP THE WAY I WANT IT SET UP.
AND THAT IS A REAL OPTIV I, THE CITY MANAGERS AND EVERYONE LIKE REPORTING UP TO HIM AND HE'S THE CEO THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.
LIKE AS LONG AS IT'S FUNCTIONING AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE, HOW IT'S ORGANIZED OR MAYBE COUNCIL CARES MORE, ACTUALLY THERE'S A LITTLE ORGANIZATION CALLED THE HOUSTON AREA, MUNICIPAL ATTORNEYS HAMMER.
I DIDN'T SAY THE CITY, I JUST PUT THAT QUESTION OUT THERE.
AND MOST OF THEM THINK BACK AND SAID HE WAS CITY MANAGER, BUT THIS ONE CHARTER I'M LOOKING AT, DIDN'T QUITE SAY IT THAT WAY THE COUNCIL COULD ORGANIZE THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT THE CITY MANAGER RUNS AND STAFFS THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO REACH IN THERE AND SAY, NO, NO, NO.
AND WE'RE GOING TO DIRECT REPORT TO YOU.
AND THEN YOU ARE REPORTING TO US.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BETTER THE CITY MANAGER.
I MEAN, SHE MAKES THE DECISION TO SCRAP THE BAG AND JUST HAVE A DECISION LATE AS OPPOSED TO WAITING, TO SIT AROUND FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK FALL UPON THE CITY MANAGER.
I MEAN, HE'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE DOING THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS ANYWAY, VERSUS HAVING TO WAIT.
WE'LL USE ALL STORIES, EXAMPLE TWICE A MONTH.
SO SOMETHING COMES UP THERE IN A WEEK VERSUS ALLOWING, AND THAT'S ASSUMING ANYONE GETS ON THE AGENDA AND THAT'S ASSUMING I TAKE ACTION ON IT WHEN IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
AND I MEAN, THE PERSON THAT RUNS THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO IT'S SAYING HERE, CITY COUNCIL, WE ABOLISH CONSOLIDATE SUCH OFFICES AND DEPARTMENTS RESPONSIBILITIES IN THAT IF YOU WANT THAT IN THE MANAGERS, I CAN SEE COUNCIL CREATING SUCH DEPARTMENTS AND MAYBE EVEN DIVIDE ELIMINATING, MAYBE ABOLISH OR, WELL, IT'S JUST REALLY STRONG TRIPPING OVER THAT.
SO BASICALLY IF IT'S THE CITY MANAGER,
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BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY SECTION FOR THAT PART, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY COUNCIL.SO THAT'S ALL THAT'S LEFT RIGHT NOW IN 4.09 AFTER OUR LAST DISCUSSION IS THAT FIRST SENTENCE BASICALLY COUNCIL HAS CONTROL OF THE BUDGET ZERO OUT OF THAT, A DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, NOT IF ANYTHING, I THINK YOU COULD LEAVE THAT THEY MAY ABOLISH, CONSOLIDATE, CREATE NEW OR DISCONTINUE, BUT AS FAR AS THE DIVIDING, THE ADMINISTRATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE ROLE OF THE CITY MANAGER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PAYING TO DO IS EFFICIENTLY RUN THE CITY.
I MEAN, SO YOU DON'T LIKE THE PART THAT STARTS MAY DIVIDE.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT, EITHER THE HUNTER TAKE IT ALL AND PUT IT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S LAP.
AND THEN IF COUNCIL'S UNHAPPY WITH THE JOB THEY'RE DOING AS CEO, YOU KNOW, THEY, AS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS CAN FIND A NEW CEO, I GUESS, I MEAN, WOULD BE MY THOUGHT MATTERS OF SAY THE COUNCIL, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ASSIST, OH LORD.
WELL, DEPARTMENT COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ABOLISH IT DEFUNDED AND ABOLISH IT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE FINANCE, THERE'S GOING TO BE PARKS AND REC AND WANTS TO GET RID OF THAT.
UM, SO YOU SAID IT NEEDS TO BE IN TO GIVE THE COUNCIL THAT AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
WHETHER WE SAY, SEE, THE COUNCIL SHOULD CHANGE SOMETHING.
WELL, I'M FINE WITH MAY BECAUSE THAT'S PERMISSIVE.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, THEY CAN, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
AND BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING THE CITY MANAGER THE AUTHORITY TO ADMINISTRATE, HE CAN AS WELL.
SO TO ME IT READS, I MEAN, I GUESS YEAH, IF CITY COUNCIL COULD COME ALONG AND SO THEY CAN TELL THE CITY MANAGER IN THE END NAME CITY, I WANT HR TO REPORT DIRECTLY TO YOU.
SO WHILE SHE'S OKAY, THERE'S SOME OTHER WORDS BE LIKE,
AND IT'S NOT CLEAR IN THIS CHART, OR I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR IN THAT CHART.
I WANTED TO BE CLEAR IN THIS CHARTER WHO CALLS THE BALLS AND STRIKES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF CHARTERS OR LIKE OUR SISTER CITIES AND THEY HAVE ABOLISHED.
SO IT MUST'VE BEEN SOMETHING SO POPULAR WORDS.
SO WE'RE, WHERE ARE WE LANDING? WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS.
KEEP, KEEP THE FIRST SENTENCE, THE WAY IT IS AND KEEP A SECTION, A DIRECTION BY CITY MANAGER, AS IT IS OUTFITS.
I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH CITY COUNCIL WITH THEIR WHATEVER ANNUAL MEETING, BEING ABLE TO SHUFFLE DEPARTMENTS AROUND AS THEY SEE FIT.
AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER ADMINISTRATING THEM AS HE SEES FIT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, OR DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THIS? I GUESS I WOULD JUST HATE TO SEE AGAIN, IF YOU HAD TURNOVER IN
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THE CITY MANAGER POSITION, JUST A REORGANIZATION OF DEPARTMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL PREFERENCE.AND I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT WELL, THAT'S THE NEW CAPTAIN.
THAT'S THE NEW COACH OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM.
HE'S GOING TO BRING IN HIS SCHEME.
I'M ALL ABOUT BALANCE OF POWER WHERE YOU DON'T WANT LIKE A CITY COUNCIL TO GO ROVING.
YOU DON'T WANT CITY MANAGER, JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, YOU CAN HAVE ONE PLACE.
SO MANY, YOU HAVE A BALANCE OF POWER.
SO YOU HAVE CITY COUNCIL THAT ARE ESTABLISHING BY ORDINANCE.
WE COULD PROBABLY DO ANY WAY, WHETHER IT BE LIKE AT BUDGET TIME OR BRINGING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL, THAT IT WAS, THERE WAS STILL A NEED TO BE SOMETHING, UM, THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS THAT WHATEVER IS CREATED IS UNDER THE CONTROLLED SET-BACK IT'S NOT DONE IN ISOLATION.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THE CITY ENGINEER IN HOUSE, RIGHT, THERE'S GOTTA BE DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE MANAGER AND OUTSIDE ENGINEER, CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE THAT DEPARTMENT AND STAFF FUNDED.
I MEAN, YOU GOT TO HAVE ONE GOING ROGUE.
YOU LIKE THAT LANGUAGE, HOW IT IS, THEY MAY ABOLISH, CONSOLIDATE, WHATEVER, CREATE DECIMATE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER ADMINISTRATOR ADMINISTRATES IT.
I MEAN, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD WITH ALL, SO WE'LL JUST KEEP IT AS IS WITH THE, YEAH.
THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
SO, UM, WHILE WE'RE SAYING THAT, JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A DEGREE IN ENGLISH, UM, I'M READING IT, ALL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES AND AGENCIES UNDER THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER SHALL BE ADMINISTERED BY SHOULDN'T BE, SHALL BE ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR APPOINTED BY AND SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER.
BUT MAYBE WHEN I TYPED IT, I DIDN'T TYPE IT.
IMPOSE MY ENGLISH DEGREE ON ANYBODY THAT WORKS FOR ME.
DO YOU HAVE AN ENGLISH DEGREE TOO? I WILL GIVE ANYBODY $20.
GUESS WHAT? MY OTHER DIFFERENT, MY OTHER MAJOR WAS BESIDES ENGLISH AND MICROBIOLOGY CLOSE.
CAUSE THERE WAS A BIOLOGY, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT MY OTHER MAJOR WAS.
IS IT A COMPLETELY NOT SIMILAR TO ENGLISH AT ALL? LIKE IS IT WAY OFF BASE? WAS IT, UM, PHYSICAL EDUCATION, PLEASE TELL ME YOU WANT TO BE A PE TEACHER.
AND I WAS THINKING THAT WOULD MAKE LISA, IT WAS KINESIOLOGY 100%.
I'M TELLING YOU NEVER GOING TO GET US CYCLED THROUGH.
I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE IN NEW JERSEY AND I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL IN HOUSTON, REALLY SMOOTH JOURNEY.
THIS IS NEW JERSEY, CHEMICAL ENGINEERING, CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
WOULD IT BE NUCLEAR? SOMETHING TO DO WITH NUCLEAR ENGINEERING? IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH LIKE PUBLIC ECONOMICS OR SOMETHING.
FORENSIC CHEMISTRY JUST GAVE YOU A REALLY BIG CLUE.
SOMETHING STUDIES WOMEN'S STUDIES HAS.
I HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN GREECE.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT LAST PART IS WHERE WE ENDED ALL YOUR 17 AND TODAY ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, THE RESTORED ARTICLE
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FIVE ELECTIONS.SO FRANCIS, YOU ALREADY DONE IT.
THAT'S SIX ERIC OR ARTICLE FIVE.
WELL, DO WE NEED TO TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND THEN WE'LL APPROVE THEM NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO IT'S UP TO YOU.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE CHANGES MADE AND THEN THE LAST TIME, LASTLY, NO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS STUFF BEFORE, BECAUSE IT WAS MORE STREAMLINED AS TELLING YOU HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.
IF YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND THEN THE NEXT TIME WE WILL CONSIDER THE CHANGES FROM THIS SECTION AS WELL AS FOR YOU GO.
WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? DO WE, SHOULD WE DO IT APPROVE THOSE CHANGES EVERY TIME? OR SHOULD WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AND THEN DO IT AT THE END? OKAY.
JUST IN CASE WE CHANGE SOMETHING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE'LL GET A CLEAN COPY TO READ.
YOU HAVE A CHARTER PORT I'LL BRING IN THE PARTY YET.
[3. Discussion and possible action on the Home Rule Charter and Blodgett pages.]
YEAH.SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD PARAGRAPH OR THIS SECTION UNDER REGULAR ELECTIONS, SOME CHARTER SAY THE ANNUAL CITY ELECTION SHOP SHOPPING.
YOU MAY, YOU ALSO HAVE A NOVEMBER ONE THAT YOU USUALLY HAVE SPECIAL ELECTIONS OR OTHERS.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THIS, YOU CAN SAY, SHALL BE HELD ON OR SHALL BE HELD IN MAY OR ANY DAY, ESTABLISH YOUR ANNUAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHICH MEANS REMEMBER, OR IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT ALONE OR YOU CAN LEAVE IT ALONE IF IT'S OKAY.
I MEAN, YOU STARTED OFF WITH THIS AS A GOOD PARAGRAPH, SO I'M NOT GOING TO MESS IT UP.
FOLLOW TWO, THREE AND FOUR BACK.
CAUSE I DON'T MIND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ON MY SCREEN.
NO, OURS IS CLEAR AND MINE'S THE CLEAN COPY ON MY SCREEN.
YEAH, IT WAS THIS ONE WITH THE, IT WAS THE ONE THAT FRANCIS EMAILED THIS AFTERNOON.
IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT, WHAT'S PULLED UP ON NAMES.
AND THIS IS THE LESS IS MORE RIGHT.
IT'S CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW, RIGHT? CONDUCT OF THE ELECTIONS CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW, FALLING FOR OFFICE CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW BALLOTS CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW.
SO WANTING TO PUSH MY OPINION ON YOU, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO LESS, AS MORE THAN YOU CAN JUST ELIMINATE THESE, THAT IS MINE.
SO WE'LL NEED TO SECTIONS SECTION TWO AND FIVE OR THREE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT WAS QUANTIFIED, WHICH IS PLACE BASED IS CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYTHING THERE, BUT JUST PUT THAT HERE.
OR ARE YOU SAYING WE DON'T NEED IT UNTIL I GET IT? DOESN'T NEED TO SAY ANYTHING.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE REMIND ME MOST.
THERE IS 5.02, BUT THEN ARTICLES ON ELECTIONS IS ONE ARTICLE.
THEY DON'T GO THROUGH VOTER QUALIFICATIONS OR CONDUCT OR THE ELECTIONS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SAYING IN THESE PARAGRAPHS IS GOING TO BE CONDUCTED
ELWOOD, I JUST WOULDN'T REFERENCE JUST TO COMPLETELY TAKE THEM OUT.
EVEN OH SIX OR THAT SHOULD CHANGE SHOULD STAY.
NOW AGAIN, THIS IS ME PUSHING SIMPLICITY FOR CLARITY.
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IT'S GOT TO GET PAST THE VOTERS.SO IF YOU THINK THE VOTERS GOING TO WANT OR FREAK, IF THEY SEE ALL THIS ELIMINATED AND NOT BUYING THE FACT THAT IT'S CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW, I, AGAIN, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO OUR LITTLE VET OR GUIDE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT OUT YEAH.
WHY WE MADE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE, YOU JUST MAKE CLEAR THAT THESE DELETIONS WERE BECAUSE ALL THIS IS PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW.
I MEAN, YOU SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY AND YOUR CHARTER YOURSELF.
RIGHT? SO I'M LOOKING AT PROBABLE FIRE, FOR INSTANCE, ALL OFFICIAL BALLOT SHALL BE PRINTED BY THE DAY REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE LITERALLY GOT A WHOLE PAGE BASICALLY JUST SAYING REFERENCED STATE LAW, SEE STATE LAWS, STATE LAW, SEE STATE LAW.
SO THAT TAKES US BACK, I THINK TO, YEAH, I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SO THAT CAN BE TAKEN OUT UP TO SIX, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE REFERENCING THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE REQUIREMENTS AND DEADLINES, I THINK ELECTION.
SO, UM, UM, FOR, I, IF IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME THING.
WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE THERE? ALL RIGHT.
SO THEN MOVING ON TO FIVE, UNLESS THERE'S PUSHBACK ON NOT ELIMINATING IT, UM, 5 0 5 TO 5 0 2.
SO WE'LL JUST JUMP DOWN TO THE SIX.
I'M RUNNING TWO CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION SIMULTANEOUSLY.
SO SOMETIMES THE BEAMS CROSS AND I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DECIDED ON OUR TERMS. OKAY.
IF WE'RE THREE YEARS AND IT HAS TO BE MAJORITY, IF WE'RE NOT THREE YEARS, THEN IT CAN BE FOUR RALLIES.
NOW IT'S THREE YEARS IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE.
SO THEN IT WILL STAY MAJORITY.
UH, I WOULD PROPOSE ELIMINATING.
THIS IS IF NO CANDIDATE RECEIVES A MAJORITY OF VOTES STRAIGHT, A RUNOFF ELECTION PERIOD, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO INTO IF IT'S A TIE THIS.
AND IF IT'S A TIE, UH, THE CANDIDATES WITH THE MOST VOTES DECLARED THE WINNER, THE OBVIOUS.
UM, NOW THE LAST SENTENCE, THIS ISN'T A CASE OF A TIE FOR THE MOST VOTES IN A RUNOFF ELECTION, THE LEADERS WILL BE DECIDED BY A CITY COUNCIL VOTE.
WHAT ABOUT IF THE COUNCIL VOTES SCOTT? WHAT'S THE, I SAW THAT EARLIER AND I WAS THINKING THOUGH, BUT WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON NUMBER ONE.
SO NO, NO YOU'RE SIX OR SIX WITH THE, WITH THE, YES.
SO ALL BOATS, I GIVE SOME THOUGHT NUMBER.
SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T HIT THE BET WAY.
OH WELL, BUT THAT WOULD, YEAH.
IF WE HAD AN ODD NUMBER, THEN YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT SINCE WE HAVE, SINCE A MAYOR COUNTS AS AN EQUAL VOTE, THAT'S SIX.
SO THEY COULD TECHNICALLY BE A TIE ON THAT.
WHAT, WHAT DID WE DO THEN? IT ROCKS IT.
IF IT'S INSIDE OF THE COUNCIL, THAT'S RIGHT IN THE WINTER OF PAPERWORK.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A SERIES OF TASKS THAT THE CANDIDATES HAVE TO COMPLETE, BUT WHAT'S THE CHANCES IS PROBABLY A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN.
A LOT OF THEM HAVE, UH, THAT'S HOT.
SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, FOLLOWING LESS IS MORE JUST ENDED THAT YOU SHOW HELD A RUNOFF ELECTION.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY AND THEN JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT IN THE MAJORITY OF YEARS, WHAT? UH, 50, 50 PLUS ONE 50 PLUS ONE 50%.
SO IN, AT RUNOFF ELECTION PERIOD, NO ABC.
AND THEN IN CASE OF A TIE, MOST VOTES IN THE RUNOFF ELECTION, I WOULD ELIMINATE THAT, THAT WHOLE BOTTOM PART.
RUNOFF ELECTION AND THE REST OF IT GOES, OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO END IT THERE.
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50 MULTIPLE CHOICE EXAM.NOW WE'RE ON THE BIG SLALOM SLOPE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, A SLOG.
SO YEAH, THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION DOES NOT HAVE INITIATIVE REFERENDUM OR RECALL.
WHERE THE GOVERNOR THAT, WHAT IS THIS? THE 20 SOMETHING RECALL ELECTION.
IT IS, UH, THE POWER FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ONLY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A CHARTER THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT UNTIL THEY ALL HAVE THEM.
SO THEY ALL HAVE THEM, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE TO, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE TO, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT INTO THE SALES HORRIBLE TOTAL DEMOCRACY.
I'M A TRUE BELIEVER IN FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GATHER LIKE THE ATHENIANS DID IN ANCIENT TIMES ON THE HILL, EVERYBODY IN THE CITY GO TO THE HILL AND DEBATE.
WHETHER WE GO TO WAR, WE HAVE TO REPRESENT TO DO A JOB.
THAT'S WHY I CAN NEVER RUN FOR OFFICE.
SO, UH, THIS IS A SAFETY VALVE TO BYPASS COUNSEL TO EITHER RECALL THE MISCREANT TO SCOTT ELECTED THAT YOU THINK SHOULDN'T BE ELECTED OR INITIATE A PROPOSAL FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT OR THE VOTERS TO ADOPT OR A REFERENDUM, WHICH WOULD VETO OUR COUNCIL HAS DONE AGAIN THOUGH.
I CAN NEVER GET THE NUMBER OUT.
THERE'S 31 FLAVORS OF ICE CREAM OR 32 OR 31 31 BASKIN ROBBINS FLAVORS.
THERE'S 31 DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO INITIATIVE REFERENDUM AND RECALL, ALWAYS CALL IT OUR HERE THEY ARE.
UM, SO SINCE THEY START OFF WITH RECALL, AND THAT SWAT IS THE CLEAREST OF MOST PEOPLE, THIS IS RECALLING A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT HAS BEEN ELECTED TO OFFICE.
THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE IN FORT BEND COUNTY THAT IS IN JAIL, BUT HE IS STILL THE REPRESENTATIVE.
AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH HE LOST HIS LAW LICENSE, FORTUNATELY FOR HIM, HIS JAIL SENTENCE WAS WHILE THE LEGISLATURE WAS OUT OF SESSION.
SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MISS.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING, ANYBODY COMMITTED.
UM, SO IT DOES HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO LET'S GO UNDER GENERAL POWERS.
SO THIS IS THE GRANT OF THE POWER TO THE CITIZENS.
AND THIS IS A BROAD GRANT OF POWER.
MOST CHARTERS CARVE OUT EXCEPTIONS.
IF YOU HIGHLIGHT THE COMMENT I CUT AND PASTE DID IT OUT OF, CAN YOU, FOR INSTANCE, COLLAR A LITTLE YELLOW THINGY
SO THEY CARVED OUT OF RECALL, WELL REALLY THEY CALL IT, CARVE THIS OUT FOR ANYTHING UNDER INITIATIVE REFERENDUM, OR RECALL CAPITOL, OR SAY THE BUDGET CAPITAL EXPENDITURE OR APPROPRIATION OF MONEY, 11, YOUR TAXES, TAXES, YOU HAVE ROLLBACK ELECTIONS.
SO THOSE I'VE SEEN THOSE HAPPEN.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO INITIATIVE OR REFERENDUM.
YOU ALREADY HAVE THE TAX CODE TAKEN CARE OF THAT.
LIVING OF TAXES, ADOPTION, OR AMENDMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ADOPTION, OR AMENDMENT OR APPEAL OF A ZONING DISTRICT OR REGULATION, THE ANNEXATION, OR DIS ANNEXATION, THE SETTING OF RIGHT FEES, CHARGES AND ASSESSMENTS, UH, THE SETTING OF SALARY AND COMPENSATION OF OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES OR THE GRANTING OF FRANCHISES OR ANY OTHER ARGUMENTS, NOT SUBJECT
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TO INITIATIVE AS PROVIDED BY THE STATE OR A COMMON LAW THAT IS ABOUT AS BROAD, AN EXCEPTION THAT PROBABLY SWALLOWS, BUT IS IN A RECENT QUARTER.DO YOU WANT ANY EXCEPTIONS TO POWER? I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
WHAT UNNAMED CITY FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE ARCH ARCH CITY PROPOSED A SPLASH PAD AND A NATURE CENTER AND THE MAYOR, UH, WAS AGAINST IT AND WALTZED IN THE VOTE ON COUNCIL.
THEY HAD A PROPER HEARING AS 60 DAYS FOR OBJECTIONS, NO ONE MADE AN OBJECTION.
HE GETS TWO PETITIONS OR TWO PETITIONS FOR EACH OR ONE PETITION FOR THE SPLASH PAD AND ONE PETITION FOR THE, UH, NATURE CENTER OR REALLY REFERENDUM PETITIONS TO STOP THE SPLASH PAD AND NATURE CENTER WHERE HARD IS CITY ATTORNEYS VERY PERSONALLY IS WE HAVE TO REVIEW THESE PETITIONS THAT HAVE COME IN AND WE RULED THEM OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE YOU HAD, THEY WERE, THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE REALM OF CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S THE LEGAL TERM BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HEARING AND A PROCESS THAT STATE LAW DID FOR THE RDC.
BUT I SAID, COUNCIL, YOU COULD ZERO THE BUDGET.
THEY ZEROED THE BUDGET FOR THOSE TWO PROJECTS REFUSED TO BUILD THEM.
THEN THE COUNTERFORCES LAUNCHED THEIR ATTACK.
SO THEY HAD A REFERENDUM TO FUND THE SPLASH PAD AND A NATURE CENTER THAT PASSED.
SO THE COUNCIL HAS PASSED A BUDGET FOR THAT.
THE RDC HAS DONE THEIR BUDGET.
NOW THE COUNTER COUNTER IT'S LOCKED, THE BLACK RUSSIANS AND THE WHITE RUSSIANS IN THE REVENUES ARE IN THE REVOLUTION AND ALL THAT.
SO NOW THIS WEEK, WE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE COUNTER PETITIONS TO UNDO THE PETITIONS THAT VOTED TO FUND IT TO NOW DEFUND IT AGAIN.
I'LL BECAUSE THE CHARTER DIDN'T SAY TIME OUT, WE HAVE A TWO-YEAR-OLD OLD PERIOD TO PREVENT THIS PINK EFFECT.
AND IT TYPICALLY CHARTER SAKE WHEN A PETITION IS FILED, THAT PROJECT IS FROZEN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE HIT THE, WHEN WE HIT THAT IT HITS THE BUDGET.
SO IF THAT HAD BEEN CARVED OUT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE AND A ADOPTION OF THE CITY BUDGET OR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
YOU COULD ARGUE THAT ONE APPLY.
SHOULD THAT APPLY? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU HAVE EXPOUNDED.
WHAT ELSE COULD YOU USE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST, WHAT ELSE IS LEFT? SO I'VE GIVEN YOU LIKE A GOOD ECONOMIST ON ONE HAND THIS AND ON ONE HAND THAT, UH, ERIC TREATMENT CITY JUST WISH YOU'D ADD A ONE-HANDED ECONOMIST, CONDOMS, WHAT ARE TYPICAL EXCEPTIONS? YOU SEE BONDS BECAUSE THAT OPENS THE CITY UP TO BUKU LIABILITY.
IF YOU'RE ISSUING BONDS AND THEY CAN BE COLLATERALLY ATTACKED BY THE TISSUE, COULD IT ALSO POTENTIALLY AFFECT YOUR BOND RATING? I, IF HE FALLS ON BOND, RIGHT? REFUSE TO ISSUE OR THEY HAVE ISSUED, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU STOP, UH, TAXES AND BONDS ARE TYPICAL OF WHAT I SAY.
UH, WITH ZONING, YOU CAN GET SUED FOR WHAT'S CALLED DOWN ZONING.
YOU CAN CHANGE THE ZONING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
SOMEBODY HAD THEIR INVESTMENT BACK TO EXPECTATIONS.
AS THE MAGIC PHRASE, I SPEND ALL THIS MONEY.
NOW I CAN'T SERVE LIQUOR BECAUSE YOU CHANGED THE ZONE.
DO YOU WANT THAT IN THE TRUE DEMOCRACY WITH THE PASSIONS OF PEOPLE AND HOW THINGS CAN SWEEP ACROSS SOCIETY?
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UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE SETTING, RIGHT FEES AND CHARGES OR ASSESSMENTS, BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN NATURAL CORRECTIVE IN HERE THAT YOU GOT TO GET 40 OR 30 OR 20% OF THE VOTERS.AND WE MISS THAT, WHICH TOP REGISTERED OR THOSE THAT VOTED IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO IT REALLY HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S ACTION.
PEOPLE, UH, ROUNDABOUTS WHERE THINGS FOR ONE COUNTY AND TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS LOST THEIR SEATS BECAUSE NOT UNDER A RECALL, BUT UNDER AN ELECTION BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCING ROUNDABOUTS AND COMMUNIST ROUNDABOUTS ON THE STREET.
WELL, YOU KNOW, GRAB UP TO COLLEGE STATION.
THERE'S NOT A COMMUNIST THERE AND THEY'VE GOT BIG OLD ROUNDABOUTS TODAY AROUND AN EMPTY CAMPUS.
AND IT'S JUST A TRAFFIC ISSUE, BUT PEOPLE WERE PASSIONATE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO TALK TO A TEENAGER, TALKING A LOGIC AND THEY'RE DEALING WITH THEM.
SO YOU'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH ALL, ALL THAT, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY TRAVIS HATES ROUNDABOUTS BECAUSE OF OUR TRIP TO IRELAND.
SO, UM, MY QUESTION TO Y'ALL IS, DO YOU WANT EXCEPTIONS? AND IF SO, WHICH ONE? WELL, THE, YOU WERE SAYING IT KIND OF IN ORDER OF LIKE THE MOST LIABILITY, RIGHT? FOR THE CITY, MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE TACKLE IT.
SO ONE WAY TO TACKLE IT IS TO LOOK AT THIS LIST AND ELIMINATE THE EXCEPTIONS.
YOU DON'T WANT EXCEPTED OUT OF THE POWER.
IF THERE'S SOME THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, WE COULD ADD IT.
I MEAN, I MEAN THE MOST LAW, SO A BUDGET OR ANY CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, FRANKLY.
THAT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO TISH DELIVERY.
RIGHT? IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE CITIZENS THAT POWER, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE IT OVER.
I MEAN, SEE, BUT APPROPRIATION OF MONEY SHOULD PROBABLY STAY BECAUSE THAT'S ISSUING BONDS, RIGHT.
OR, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD MENTION BONDS.
SO THE APPROPRIATION YOU SHOULD, EXCEPT OUT, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE EXCEPTION FOR THE APPROPRIATION OF MONEY, BECAUSE YOU'D NEVER BE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS IN YOU'RE CONSTANTLY SECONDARY THE LIVING OF TAXES, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A PROCEDURE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
ADD PAWNS, DELETE THE ADOPTION OR AMENDMENT OF THE CITY BUDGET, DELETE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE CONFERENCE PLAN? I WOULD TAKE IT OUT.
THAT'S JUST YOUR FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? BOB BOG EVERYBODY DOWN ON WASTE ALL THAT TIME FOR YEAH.
UM, ANNEXATION OR DIS ANNEXATION OF LAND ANNEXATION IS DEAD, HAS KILLED IT OVER THE LAST TWO SESSIONS.
SO I WOULD JUST TAKE IT OUT NOTHING'S HAPPENING UNLESS YOU GET PERMISSION.
SO THEY HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR THAT.
UH, THE SETTING OF FEES, RIGHTS, CHARGES, OR ASSESSMENTS.
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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY IMPRESSION OF ANGLETON'S RIGHTS FEES, CHARGES OR ASSESSMENTS IS NO ONE'S COMPLAINING THERE.SCOTT DEVELOPERS, NOT A BOATER.
IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT IN THERE, YOU CAN, THE SETTING OF A SALARY OR COMPENSATION OF OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES.
UH, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A GARBAGE FRANCHISE REPUBLIC GETS TO COLLECT THE GARBAGE VERSUS WHOEVER THE COMPETITOR.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED, I DON'T CARE AND I'D GET RID OF THE REST OF IT.
WELL, I KNOW I KEEP IT IN THERE.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN STATE LAW, SOMEBODY HAD FALLEN ABOUT THAT COULD BE.
SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING, UH, THE ADOPTION OR AMENDMENT OF THE BUDGET IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE APPROPRIATION APPROPRIATION IN THE LEVELING OF TAXES, APPROPRIATION MONEY AND ISSUANCE OF BONDS.
AND THEN WE NEED TO DECIDE ON ZONING.
I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ARGUMENT FOR AGAINST AB AND IN THERE, LIKE WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, RIGHT? WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THOSE INITIAL DECISIONS AND IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE COUNCIL FOR FINAL DECISION.
HOUSTON DOESN'T HAVE ZONING, BUT THEY'VE HAD THE ASHBY HIGH RISE, HUGE, HUGE FIGHT.
PEOPLE ARE REALLY PASSIONATE HERE ABOUT SO, ALL RIGHT.
SO DO YOU WANT TO SUBJECT THAT FASHION OR DO YOU WANT THAT TO REMAIN? I MEAN, I GUESS THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE IS THE PASSION OR JUST FOR THEM, DON'T HAVE THAT PASSION FOR IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF COUNCIL, THEY'LL GET YOUR PETITION.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY'S PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT, A PETITION, LET HIM GET SIGNATURES AND THEN BRING IT UP.
AND THEN WHEN WE DO OUR FINAL WALKTHROUGH, IF WE WANT TO TAKE IT OUT, ALSO DR.
JACKSON, I COULD SEE ALL THAT, BUT MY EYES ARE TIRED AND I'M LIKE, WAIT, WHAT DOES THAT SAY? I'M STRUGGLING ON THAT TOO.
I THINK I NEED TO GET ANY ANOTHER VISIT, BUDDY.
WE'LL BLAME THE LIGHTING ON IT.
I'M TRYING, LIKE, I SEE THAT WE'VE MADE THE BOX BIGGER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MEANT THE FONT.
I KIND OF BLAME MY DOCTOR NOW.
SO 6 0 1, WE'LL ADD SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR BOTTOM LINE.
WE'LL GO OVER THAT NEXT TIME AND GO FROM THERE.
I ACTUALLY LEFT A SUBSECTION ALONE SCOPE OF RECALL.
UH, SO THAT JUST SAYS ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL, UH, APPOINTED OR ELECTED OR SUBJECT TO A RECALL, UH, MAN, IF YOU'RE APPOINTED AND YOU'RE SUBJECT TO RECALL, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.
THAT'S OH, YOU MUST REALLY BE UNPOPULAR.
I HAVE SEEN, AND I USUALLY RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE A NOTICE PROVISION, BUT I DIDN'T COPY AND PASTE IT IN HERE.
CAUSE I KNEW THE SPRINT WOULD BE REALLY SMALLER THAN YOUR EYES.
BUT YEAH, ONE CHARTER SAYS FIVE INTERESTED VOTERS CAN NOTIFY THIS CITY THAT THEY ARE CIRCULATING A CHARTER.
SO ONE, THE CITY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON OR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
OR IN THIS CASE YOU WILL RECALL.
I WOULD MAKE IT FOR ALL THREE.
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SO YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON? AND IT STARTS YOUR PETITION DATE.AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TIMELINE IN WHICH TO COMPLETE IT.
AND YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY KIND OF FUDGE IN AND SAY, WELL, YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT OVER BEERS, BUT REALLY DIDN'T GET STARTED UNTIL THREE WEEKS LATER.
WHEN YOU FILED THAT WITH THE CITY SECRETARY THAT YOU'RE STARTING.
SO I WOULD PUT IN A NOTICE A NOTICE OF THE EFFORT AND WE CAN PROPOSE THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING INTERESTING.
SO THE NEXT BIG DECISION IS, DO YOU WANT IT AT 40% FOR RECALL? NO MAGIC ON THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, I'M PULLED UP FOUR BEDS CAUSE I'VE JUST, I HAVE THAT COUNTY MAPPED ON THEIR NUMBERS AND I CAN LOOK AT SO LIKE JACKSON AND, UH, ALVIN MANVILLE TO SEE WHAT THEY, OH, SEE.
NOW I WOULD SAY I WOULD ONLY GO UP FROM THERE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU END UP RULED BY THE VOCAL MINORITY.
WELL, IT'S 40% IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE LARD, WHICH I MEAN, AS IT SHOULD BE, IF YOU'VE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE TO DO YOUR BUSINESS, I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE AN UNPOPULAR POSITION.
RIGHT? I GUESS TO BE CALLED BY EVERY VOICE.
BY YOUR REMORSE, AS WELL AS MAYBE SOMEONE GIVING THE END, YOU REALIZE YOU'RE NOT DOING THE KIND OF JOB, BUT I WAS JUST READING THROUGH THIS EARLIER IS TO ME, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A DOODLE.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU ABOUT DOABLE? IS THAT OKAY? IT TAKES 40%.
SO IF YOU HAVE 40% OF THE ONES WHO CAST THE MOST, LAST TIME THEY SAY ALL THIS GUYS JUST NOT WORKING AND THEY GET THIS BALL ROLLING.
THEN THE PROCESS HAPPENS IN THIS.
PERSON'S BEING, SOMEONE HAS TO BE APPOINTED AND I'LL GO ON IT.
THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO LIKE THIS GUY, THEY SAID, OH, WE CAN GET US.
I WILL 400 OR 40% AT THE END, THEY GO AHEAD AND GET RID OF THIS PERSON.
AND IT JUST GOES AROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AGAIN.
SO BY HAVING A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME WITH 40%, THAT'S A LOT.
SO IT'S LIKE THAT'S WALKING NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU'VE GOT A POLITICAL MACHINE ON THE MAYOR HAS NOT IN THIS COUNTY.
THEY CAN WHIP IT OUT, GET IT 20%.
THAT'S BUT THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD, STRONG NUMBER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE HIGHER NUMBERS.
NOW IT'S 40% OF WHAT YOU WANT IT VOTERS CAST IN THE LAST ELECTION VOTES CAST IN THE LAST ELECTION OR THE REGISTERED VOTER, I THINK CASTING LESS DIRECTION BECAUSE OF THAT MAKES IT A SMALLER
AND WHEN YOU GET LIKE THE LAST ELECTION, THERE WAS LIKE THREE PEOPLE THAT VOTED THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENGAGED TO LIKE, SO THE LAST MUNICIPAL ELECTION, AS OPPOSED TO THE LAST NATIONAL ELECTION NATIONAL ELECTION.
SO METAL'S PLACE, WE WERE MAPPING IN AND THEY HAD MOVED THEIR ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
SO THEIR NUMBERS JUMPED UP RIGHT.
SO IF YOU HAVE REGISTERED VOTERS, IT'S A LITTLE MORE STABLE NUMBER.
YOU HAVE THE ORGANIC GROWTH OF THE CITY.
AND VERSUS, OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN, THE LAST ELECTION COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE TWO PEOPLE UP.
THERE IS NOT ANYBODY KNEW ABOUT IT, OR IT WAS PEOPLE JUST CHOSE NOT TO VOTE, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD AN ELECTION.
THE MATTER IS THOUGH, IS THAT IF YOU PUT IT AT 40%, YOU COULD LITERALLY HAVE MORE PEOPLE HAVEN'T SIGNED THE PETITION WHO ACTUALLY VOTED.
BASICALLY IF YOU LEAVE IT AT 400 AND NO EVENT, LESS THAN 400 PETITIONERS, WELL THE 400 SMALL, BUT THE 40% THAT'S LAW, IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYONE YOU'RE SAYING IN OUR LAST ELECTION, I WANT TO SAY THERE WERE LIKE 700 VOTES CAST.
SO 40% WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN HIS SEVENTIES.
YEAH, HERE, YOU GOT TO HAVE 400.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING IT, IF YOU'RE DOING IT, IF YOU'RE DOING IT OFF OF LAST ELECTION, BUT IF YOU DO IT OFF OF REGISTERED VOTERS, 7 58 WAS THE LAST ELECTION.
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I THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED.SO 40% OF 11,000, 10%, HUNDRED TIMES, 4 4400 BOATS, WHICH IS WHAT FIVE TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTED AS CLASS.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT AND THEY'LL SAY, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE, OKAY, I'M GONNA PUT MY NAME IN SUFFOCATION.
YOU KNOW? SO IT WAS LIKE, THAT'S GOING TO BE, SO I THINK THAT'S MAYBE HAS TO BE OFF, BUT THEN YOU HAVE SUCH A SMALL POPULATION.
THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS I HAD, LIKE, IF YOU GO BASED OFF OF ONLY LET'S SAY THE LAST, THE LAST ELECTION WAS FOR AISD SCHOOL BOARD.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I, WHAT WAS THE LAST ELECTION? DID I EVEN VOTE? I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
BUT THERE ARE TIMES THAT I DON'T LIKE, I EITHER DON'T HAVE TIME OR HAVE NO, NO, LIKE THERE'S NO ONE THAT I KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE, THOUGHT ON ANY OF THEM.
SOMETIMES I'M LIKE FOR THIS ONE, I'M NOT BECAUSE THIS OTHER, THIS OTHER ONE IS MORE IMPORTANT TO ME OR WHATEVER.
IF YOU JUST GO OFF OF THE LAST ELECTION, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY WHAT 280 PEOPLE CAN DECIDE SOMETHING THAT IMPORTANT.
WELL, NOT THE WAY IT'S WORDED RIGHT NOW, 400 GOOD DECIDE.
BUT THEY ONLY ADD A WHOLE 11,000 REGISTERED VOTERS.
I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY, OKAY.
WHO'S ENGAGED AND WHO'S VOTING, BUT THAT'S TO CURATE THE RECALL.
THAT'S NOT REALLY PERSONNEL BECAUSE THEY HAVE OH, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THIS, JUST TO GET THE PROCESS ROLLING.
SO I WON'T CAME WITH EITHER LIBBY GO, IT'S JUST THAT SAY, I THINK YOU SHOULD EITHER GIVE THEM MORE TIME.
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE HIGHER THRESHOLD OR YOU KEEP IT A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME WITH THE SMALLER AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
DOES THIS WHOLE RECALL PROCESS TO BE AS SOMETHING INTERESTING.
JUST RECALL TO RECALL, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I'M SURE THERE HAS BEEN A BEAUTIFUL ANGLETON.
NEVER HAD A RECALL ON AN ELECTED PERSON.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE IMPORTANT UNDER THIS.
IT WAS EVER APPOINTED DOG YET, BUT NOW YOU COULD, NOW THERE WOULDN'T BE AN APPOINTMENT.
IF THEY AGREE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE THREE YEAR TERM.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION IF WE HAD A RECALL AND THAT PERSON WAS REMOVED, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION NOW.
THEY WOULDN'T BE APPOINTED BECAUSE WE WENT TO THREE-YEAR TERMS. SO IT WOULDN'T BE AFFORDED.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER ELECTION FOR IT.
I'M FINE WITH THE NUMBERS, HOW THEY ARE JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE A HIGH BURDEN TO MEET IF YOU'RE GOING TO, WELL, THIS WAS GO, GO TOPSY TURVY WITH SOMETHING THAT LISTEN, TALK TO YOU ABOUT OR HIGHER, THEN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO EVEN VOTED.
SO THIS WAS IN THE LAST ELECTION.
I MEAN, THAT COULD CHANGE THOUGH.
ESPECIALLY AS THE POPULATION INCREASES AND ONLY IF YOU'RE GOING OFF THE 400 NUMBER, BUT IF YOU'RE LIKE AVERAGING, WHAT WAS IT? 700.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE AVERAGE.
NOW ON THE ELECTION A THOUSAND TO LIKE 1500 VOTE BEFORE, LIKE I'VE, I'VE SEEN LIKE 1500, I THINK WHAT OTHER NUMBERS? YEAH.
THIS BOARD WILL SAY, OKAY, I'M PUTTING MY GUNS BACK.
SO LEAVE THEM LIKE THIS WOULD BE OKAY BECAUSE IT WOULD WORK FOR ALL OF US BASICALLY.
CAUSE YOU GUYS WERE SAYING SOMETHING WILL DIFFERENT, BUT THIS SAYS 40% OF THOSE CAST.
SO THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE ASTRONOMICAL.
WELL, IT'S NOT 40% OF 11,000 IS 40 OF SOME 50.
SO THIS WAS PASSED IN 83 AND AMENDED IN OH SEVEN.
I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THE TURNOUT WAS IN OH SEVEN.
LIKE WHEN IT WAS ENACTED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE OTHER STATE ABOUT THE RECALL, DID YOU HAVE A POPULATION WHEN SOMEONE'S VOTED IN ALL THIS, THE PERSON COMES IN AND HE'S WELL, SHE'S JUST DOES TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE JOB.
MOST PEOPLE THINK OF LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE'VE ORDERED THIS PERSON AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, YOU'RE STUCK WITH HIM FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
SO NOBODY REALLY EVEN THINKS ABOUT A RECALL.
I THINK THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT IS IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY THAT WAS ELECTED HAND AND LIKE LEGITIMATELY DID SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST LIKE, WHOA, YOU CAN'T REPRESENT THE CITY OR HAD MADE A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE ENEMY.
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THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE, WHO MADE YOU MAD? BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE THAT PERSON PROBABLY IN ORDER TO GIVE RECALLED AND I'M USING ANGLETON, THIS EXAMPLE, RIGHT? THAT'S TO ME, WHAT ARE YOU INDICTED FOR? WHY ARE YOU INDICTED? YOU REPRESENT THE CITY WROTE YOU PROBABLY NEED TO BE RECALLED.AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE HARD TO GET 400.
OR 40% YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? LIKE I THINK KEEPING THOSE NUMBERS HIGH KEEPS ONE OR TWO CRAZIES FROM SUBJECTING TO BASICALLY MAKING IT ABUSIVE, USING THE RECALL POWER IN AN ABUSIVE IF SOMEONE DID.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE NOT VETTED VERY WELL AND THEY CAME IN LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T SEE THIS ABOUT THIS PERSON.
AND SO THEY DIDN'T LIKE CHANGE UP THINGS.
BUT, BUT I, I WOULD SAY THOUGH, THE WAY IT'S WORDED NOW, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S OUT THERE ENOUGH THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK TO GET THE VOTES IN THE GUIDES, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STILL ATTAINABLE.
IF SOMETHING, SOMEONE DOES IT REALLY, REALLY BAD, IT WOULD NOT BE HARD TO MOBILIZE 400 PEOPLE.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IN A NOTICE FOR VISION.
KEEP THE 40% OF VOTES CAST IN THERE AS YEAH.
UM, FORGIVE WHAT I SAY, STIFF REQUIREMENT THAT I SAW THAT IN OTHER CHARTERS, WHENEVER, WHEN A CHECK SOMEONE HAS TO SWEAR TO THOSE SIGNATURES ON EACH PAGE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LIKE HE ONLY PERSONALLY CIRCULATED THE CONDITION OR THE PETITION IS THAT LIKE, HE HAS TO BE THE ONE LIKE GOING DOOR TO DOOR.
IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN YOU PETITION TO BE ON A BALLOT, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT YOU'RE THE PERSON WHO SOLD DISCUSS WITH MAMA.
IT WAS MY LITTLE PAGE, WHICH IS MY PART OF THE PETITION.
I WENT AND ACTUALLY GOT THESE SIGNATURES SO I CAN SWEAR.
YOU CAN'T HAVE, LIKE, YOU DIDN'T JUST DO IT LIKE CHAIN MAIL OR THAT HE JUST LEFT A PETITION ON THE WALL SOMEWHERE.
WHICH I THINK I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE.
ACTUALLY WE'RE A LIQUEUR ELECTION IN MONTVILLE.
DO YOU SIT ON YOUR COUCH WHEN SUNDAY FALSIFY A BUNCH OF COLLUDING BET.
PEOPLE IN SMALL TOWNS DIDN'T WORK OUT VERY WELL FOR THEM.
SO I GUESS COUNTABILITY ACCOUNTABILITY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THOSE NAMES OR THE NAMES, EXCUSE SAY, BECAUSE HE'S MAKING AN AFFIDAVIT.
I'M GETTING IT BUDGETED, RECALLS HIM.
I'M GETTING READY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THIS ONE SECTION I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT ON 6.05.
SO RECALL THEY'VE SAID IT AT 45 DAYS.
SO YOU GOT 45 DAYS TO GET THE PETITION ALL SIGNED UP, SAY 450 STATE LAW SAYS SETS A MAXIMUM OF 180 DAYS.
SO THAT IS THREE MONTHS, RIGHT? 30 DAYS.
I WAS LIKE, THAT'S A BAD
SO HERE, YOU'RE SAYING A MONTH AND A HALF VERSUS SIX MONTHS NOW, USUALLY THERE'S A PREEMPTION ARGUMENT.
THIS IS THE STATE HAS SAID, UH, OR SAID THIS NUMBER OF SIX MONTHS OR 190 DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ONE WHERE THIS APPLIES, WHERE YOU CONSIDERED A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
I WOULD HAVE TO GO RESEARCH THAT BEFORE I DID.
I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU ALL WANTED TO CHANGE IT OR, AND FOR US WOULD BE MONEY GOING FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK SIX MONTHS IS VERY 45 DAYS FEELS REALLY QUICK, BUT SIX MONTHS DOES FEEL LIKE AN ATTORNEY TO GET SOMETHING DONE LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SIX MONTHS, A LOT, A LOT.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS JUST PENDING RIGHT OUT THERE.
I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE THE UNCERTAINTY.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE 45 DAYS? LIKE, DO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S TOO SHORT? DO WE FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WE FEEL LIKE 45 IS PERFECT.
I WILL BOB AND JUDITH CHECK RESEARCH TO SEE IF WE CAN GO SHORTER THAN THE STATE MANDATED.
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THE STATE MIGHT LIKE, IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE 180 DAYS FOR ALL MY NOTES JUST IN CASE.BUT IF IT CAN BE SHORTER OR ARE WE GOOD WITH 45 MEAN I WOULD SAY YES, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, YOU NEED TO BE COMMITTED TO IT.
HOW ABOUT 30? I, I, SO IN MY, IN MY, THIS IS MY 2 CENTS.
I THINK I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING 60.
IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, 45 SEEMS REALLY QUICK.
THAT'S TWO MONTHS, I THINK 60, 60 SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
IT'S WAY LESS THAN THE 180 JESUS FOREVER TO IMAGINE
SO 60 SOUNDS REALLY GOOD TOO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S A MULTIPLE IT'S, IT'S AN EVEN NUMBER.
I MEAN, I, YOU HAD HAD IT THIS SUMMER, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN RAINED OUT WAS 45 DECIMAL.
IT'S NOT 90, WHICH IS HAVING THAT FEELS LIKE AN ATTORNEY TO ME.
60 AND RESEARCHERS WE'LL SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE.
YOU SAID EARLIER EVERYTHING'S BASED ON STATE.
DID YOU IMAGINE NOT ASK ME A HUNDRED? THAT'S AMERICA THAT'S FOREVER.
WHAT ABOUT 6 0 6 0 4 THE FORM.
OH, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS IT.
SO THE WAY RECALL WORKS IS YOU GET A PETITION, YOU GET AT LEAST 400 PEOPLE TO SIGN IT.
SOMEBODY HAS TO VALIDATE, OR SOMEBODY HAS TO SWEAR THAT ALL THESE SIGNATURES ON EVERY PAGE OF THE PETITION IS, UH, PEOPLE REALLY SIGNED IT.
AND YOU'VE GOT BETWEEN 45 AND 60 DAYS TO GET IT DONE.
IT COMES TO COUNCIL AND IS PRESENTED TO THEM.
USUALLY THE CITY SECRETARY HAS A TIME TO CHECK THE SIGNATURES.
CAUSE IT MAY BE SOMEBODY THAT SIGNED IT.
THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
A LOT OF THE CITY OF EVENTS, UH, NOT A REGISTERED VOTER.
THEY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TOP THREE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, BASICALLY GIVES THAT GUY OR GAL TOP TO RESIGN.
LET'S SAY IF EVERYONE WILL TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM AT 6 0 7, IF NOT, THEN COUNSEL, UH, MICHELLE CALLING THE ELECTION.
6 0 8 SAYS SHELL NAME, YOUR FAVORITE ENEMY BE REMOVED FROM THE OFFICE OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY RECALL ANSWER.
THERE IS A PROVISION FOR THE CITY SECOND YEAR VERIFIES.
SO RESULT OF THE RECALL ELECTION SIX, 10.
SO IF IT'S NO, THEN THEY GET TO STAY.
NOW I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE A LIMIT.
YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM IF HE JUST GOT ELECTED AND IT SAYS HERE HE IS THREE MONTHS AS I RECALL.
UH, SO YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS MORE THAN ONCE, OR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS MORE THAN ONCE IN A THREE-YEAR TERM, IT'S EXPENSIVE TO HAVE ELECTIONS AND IF YOU BEAT THE HOUSE ONCE, THEN YOU GOT IT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT SAYS THAT IF HE BEAT, IF THAT PERSON BEATS, THE RECALL THAT YOU'RE CONTINUING WITH YOUR TERM, ALL SINS ARE FORGIVEN.
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IS DISQUALIFIED FROM THAT POSITION FOR THE EXPIRATION OF THAT PERSON'S TERM.SO HE COULD RUN AGAIN, RUN AGAIN EVENTUALLY.
SO IF HE'S RECALLED IN A YEAR TO HIS THREE-YEAR TERM, HE CAN RUN AFTER HIS TERM EXPIRES FOR HIS SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY FOR HIS SAME SEAT RIGHT NOW, IT'S SET AT, YOU CAN'T DO IT BEFORE THEY'VE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR THREE MONTHS AND YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER A RECALL ELECTION OF THAT PERSON, CORRECT? THAT'S SIX POINT 11.
SO THERE'S A SIX MONTH COOLING OFF PERIOD.
NOW, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AT SIX MONTHS OR DO YOU WANT TO SAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TERM, LIKE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TERM, BECAUSE, OR WHAT ABOUT, I MEAN, IS THERE A WAY TO SAY ON THE SAME GROUNDS? I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO RECALL PETITION FOR THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT WHAT IF THEY MAKE SOME PHENOMENAL? YOU KNOW WHAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE VERY FIRST RECALL WAS JUST BASELESS.
IT WOULD JUST GUIDE, JUST CUT SOMEBODY OFF IN TRAFFIC AND HE'S PISSED OFF.
AND HE SAID JACKSON, TO A RECALL.
AND NOW IF IT'S FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TERM, IF HE SCREWS UP, HE'S NOT SUBJECT TO RECALL.
IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE IT YOUR, BUT IT COULD BE, I DIDN'T SEE THE PETITIONS SLOPPILY.
YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO 6.02 AND SAY WE JUST HAVE GENERAL DISSATISFACTION.
WELL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN NOW? AS OPPOSED TO WAIT A MINUTE, I'VE JUST BEEN INDICTED FOR AN INVESTMENT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
THE COOLING OFF PERIOD COULD BE EXTENDED.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO PROHIBIT WHAT THEY CAN BRING A RECALL FOR.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY NO MORE THAN TWICE DURING ATTORNEY 16? YEAH.
I FELT LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF CAP ON IT.
DO YOU WANT TO FLOG IT FOR ALL THREE YEARS? I MEAN, THAT PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A WHILE, RIGHT? LIKE HOW LONG START TO FINISH.
WELL, RIGHT NOW IT TAKES 45 DAYS.
BUT THEN THE ELECTION, SO NOW YOU'RE RIGHT.
PLUS THE REVIEW PROCESS AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
RIGHT? SO IT'S, IF IT'S 45 DAYS, REALLY, IT COULD BE DEALT WITH THAT PROBLEM.
I MEAN, NOT DOUBLE THAT NECESSARILY, BUT YOU COULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL, PROBABLY LIKE TWO SESSIONS OF HAVING TO FIGURE THAT STUFF OUT.
SO THAT'S LIKE A MONTH BECAUSE OTHERWISE THIS PERSON COULD GET NO MORE.
UM, CAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS FIGHTING THE RECALL.
BUT IF, I MEAN, THIS PERSON SHOULDN'T BE SHOT.
WE WOULD HAVE THE PROBLEM MAKE BELIEVE PERSON THAT WE'RE ACCUSING IT.
I MEAN, COULD THEY REALISTICALLY GET RECALLED EVERY YEAR? LIKE JUST COUNTS.
SO LET'S SAY THEY TAKE THE MAXIMUM TIME.
SO 45 DAYS TO GET THE PETITION.
DID I THINK IT DIDN'T HERE SAYS YOU'D HAVE FIVE DAYS TO VALIDATE SIGNATURE.
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO.
NO THAT'S THEN YOU HAVE TO SCHEDULE A COUNCIL MEETING.
SO THAT COULD BE A MINIMUM OF THREE DAYS OR YOU MEET TWICE A MONTH.
SO TO THE OTHER 14 64, 64, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT'S AT LEAST DID IT ALL THE TIME ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOT LESS THAN FIVE, NO MORE THAN 20 AFTER RECEIVING.
SO NOW WE'RE AT 84 DAYS, RIGHT? SO WHAT'S 84 PLUS 78 COLUMN ELECTION, 60 DAYS.
THAT'S 160 DAYS TO CALL THE ELECTION FOR THE ELECTION TO BE CALLED.
AND YOU CAN'T DO ANY OF THAT UNTIL AFTER THE PERSON'S BEEN IN OFFICE.
ONE TIME, THE TERM I CAN CALCULATE IT THAT WAY.
BUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT HAPPENING THREE TIMES
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IN TERMS OF GROWTH AND IT CAN BE TOUGH.SO THE SOONEST PROBABLY IT WOULD HAPPEN IS A SIX MONTHS.
SO LET'S SAY 7, 6, 7 MONTHS IN THE OFFICE ABOUT EVERY SEVEN MONTHS.
AND THIS WAS COMING UP ON 45 DAYS.
CAUSE YOU MENTIONED IF WE HAD TO DO THE 180 OF THE STATE, LIKE IT WOULD GET TO THERE'S ONE MINUTE TO TWO MINUTES.
OH, I WAS SAYING THAT MAYBE LIMIT IT TO TWO ATTEMPTED RECALLS HER TERM.
I KIND OF FEEL, I KIND OF, I KIND OF FEEL WHAT MICHELLE MICHELLE'S SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST BE LIKE, WHY DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON.
SO I'M DOING WELL, I DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON.
LIKE THEY HAVE TO HAVE REASONING FOR IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE SHOULD BE RECALLED TWICE FOR THE SAME THING.
WELL, I MEAN, IF MAYBE YOU DID SOMETHING THAT WAS SEEN, LIKE, OKAY, SO MAYBE YOU WERE LIKE BRIBED, I DON'T KNOW.
LIKE, BUT IT WAS A SMALLER SCALE.
AND THEN YOU DID IT ON A LARGER SCALE LATER.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT, LIKE, IF THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT AND IT WAS WORTHY OF RECALL, I WOULDN'T WANT TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO BRING IT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE EARLIER.
SO IF YOU'RE AT SEVEN MONTHS, THEN YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE GAP IN BETWEEN THE, THAT 13, 13 MONTHS OUT OF A 30, 36 TERM.
AND THEN YOU WOULD START THAT PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO DO HOW MANY DAYS MAX REALLY IS.
YOU'D BE INTO THE THIRD HALFWAY INTO IT BEFORE IT WAS TIME FOR THEM TO BE REELECTED.
SO YOU COULD LEAVE IT HOW IT IS.
YOU HAVE TO PUT A TIME LIMITATION ON IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TWICE.
BECAUSE IF YOU PUT TWO DOWN, IT MAKES PEOPLE THINK WE SHOULD DO TWICE OR I MEAN
AND THEN AFTER, NOR WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER AN ELECTION FOR SUCH OFFICER'S RECALL OR WITHIN SIX MONTHS FROM THE EXPIRATION OF THE TERM ALSO BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CITY GOING TO THE EXPENSE OF CALLING THE ELECTION FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ON THEIR WAY.
ON ANY WAY THIS COULD GET, IF YOU'RE THAT PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, THEN YOU FIND THE CANDIDATES TO RUN AGAINST THEM.
THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ELECTION WITH TWO MONTHS LEFT AND THEN THERE'D BE ANOTHER ELECTION.
ANYWAY, DOESN'T REALLY A PHOTO OF SAW THAT IN THERE ABOUT DIFFERENT ONE.
SO WE CAN PUT IT IN RECALL, UH, SAY NORTH WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER AN ELECTRIC FOR SUCH OFFICER'S RECALL OR WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE END OF HIS TERM, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
YOU'D HAVE TO BE REAL GOOD AT GETTING A SECOND ONE.
AND YEAH, I GO REAL QUICK AT THE BEGINNING EX MURDERER AND SOMETHING ELSE.
RIGHT?
THEY MIGHT HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS THERE.
AS OF NOW,
UH, AND THAT GET US THROUGH RECALL, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS HERE OR WHY YOU WOULD WANT THE COUNTY JUDGE DOING THIS.
THAT'S CALLED THERE'S A LEGAL PROCEDURE.
AND MEN DAM IS THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO THE ELECTION.
THERE IS A VALID CIVIL REMEDY THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE ANOTHER POLITICIAN.
AND WE ARE DONE WITH FIVE MINUTES.
THAT'S BEFORE THE INITIATIVE STOPS.
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YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD[4. Discussion and possible action on the Charter Review Commission meeting schedule.]
STOPPING POINT.OUR NEXT MEETING RIGHT NOW IS SET FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST.
DOES THAT STILL WORK FOR EVERYONE? IT IS IN MY CALENDAR.
CAUSE I SPECIFICALLY DO NOT SCHEDULE THE 21ST 21ST.
ISN'T THERE ONE YOU WILL NOT, WE'LL NOT BE HERE ON THE 21ST.
I WE'LL THINK ABOUT JOEL AT SANTA FE, BUT NOT REALLY BE THINKING ABOUT YOU A LOT.
IF THEY KNEW YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER, THEY GET A TEXT
AND I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR MEETINGS.