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[1. Declaration of a quorum and call to order.]
WE WILL GET THE OCTOBER 18TH THANKS TO BETTER LIVING CORPORATION MEETING STARTED.ITEM NUMBER 2, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES,
[2. Discussion and possible action to approve the minutes of the Angleton Better Living Corporation meeting of June 28, 2021.]
ANGLETON BETTER CORPORATION MEETING OF JUNE 28TH, 2021.>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THAT PASSES.
[3. Discussion drainage updates.]
>> ITEM NUMBER 3, DISCUSSION ON DRAINAGE COVERINGS.
>> HI. THIS IS CHRIS WHITTAKER NOT JEFF SIFFORD, SO I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST.
THE ONLY THING I REALLY HAVE FOR YOU IS WE'RE CONTINUING TO PARTNER WITH THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO UPDATE THE LEVY OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THE BACKSIDE, THEY'VE INSTALLED SOME NEW FENCES ON THE FRONT SIDE IN PREPARATION FOR THAT.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN DELAYED MANY TIMES BY A LOT OF RAIN, OR A LITTLE RAIN, OR SOME RAIN OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T HAVE A REAL GOOD ESTIMATE ON WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
BUT THEY'RE MOVING THAT PROJECT ALONG AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON OUT THERE THAT WE'LL ERASE THE LEVY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE FENCE OUT FRONT WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR MORE CONTROL AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE ENTRY BOX FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO COME IN LITTLE FURTHER OUT TOWARDS THE ROAD AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON DRAINAGE.
>> I'VE GOT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ALL I CAN BRING UP.
>> I'VE GOT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW, I THOUGHT I HAD IT.
>> I KNOW THAT'S WHY I SAID SHE COULD GET THIS. OH.
>> YOU OWE ME SO MUCH FOR THIS. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT LOOKS SO OFFICIAL. I THOUGHT I WAS ON THE RIGHT SPOT AND THEN I REALIZED IT WAS THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 12TH.
>> THIS WON'T BE BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIGHLIGHTED SO I CAN'T GO TO TODAY'S AGENDA.
>> [INAUDIBLE] KNOWS WE'RE NOT HAVING YOUNGSTERS IN HERE. IT'S OKAY.
>> THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A SECOND.
[BACKGROUND] REFINING, HANG ON.
>> IT'S COMING, THIS WILL TAKE A WHILE.
>> MAN, THAT'S A SLOW MOVING BLUE LINE.
>> WHILE THAT'S LOADING UP [LAUGHTER] HOW ABOUT WE GO TO ITEM 4 DISCUSSION ON ABLC AND
[4. Discussion on the ABLC and Recreation Center Preliminary YTD Financial Statements September 2021.]
RECREATION CENTER PRELIMINARY HERE TODAY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS SEPTEMBER 2021. MR. HILL.>> THE KEYWORD THERE IS PRELIMINARY.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME BIG ENTRIES THAT HAVEN'T COME IN YET.
THE SALES TAX IS ALWAYS TWO MONTHS BEHIND, BUT WE DID GET THE AUGUST PAYMENTS.
WE JUST HAVE ONE MORE PAYMENT THAT HASN'T BEEN RECEIVED THAT WE'LL GET IN IN NOVEMBER, WHICH WILL BE FOR SEPTEMBER, WHICH WILL FALL IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ABOVE FLAT TO LAST YEAR WITH A 0.07 PERCENT OVER LAST YEAR AFTER THE AUGUST PAYMENT FOR A SALES TAX.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS A BIG AUDIT ADJUSTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT, BUT IN TWO MONTHS AGO IN THE AUGUST'S PAYMENT, THAT WAS A $211,000 PAYMENT THAT OCCURRED IN THE PRIOR YEAR, WHICH MADE THE PRIOR YEAR HIGHER WHICH WAS A COMPANY THEY JUST IT HADN'T PAID FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND THAT WAS OVER INFLATED LAST YEAR AND IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, REALLY UP OVER FIVE PERCENT YEAR TO DATE ON SALES TAX AND THE MOST CURRENT MONTH IS 10 PERCENT AND THE ROLLING 12 IS PROBABLY AROUND 7, 8 PERCENT.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE TREND IS GOING TO GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THERE'S A LAW CHANGE THAT HAPPENED OCTOBER 1ST.
WE'RE ACTUALLY TO THE DESTINATION POINTS.
IF THERE'S NOT A SALESPERSON THAT ACTUALLY TAKES THE SALE, THEN THE SALES TAX IS GOING TO GO TO THE DESTINATION POINT, WHICH WILL HELP ANGLETON INCREASE SALES TAX.
BECAUSE ALL THE ONLINE AND APP SALES, WHERE THERE'S NOT A SALESPERSON WELL ACTUALLY,
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THAT GETS DELIVERED TO ANGLETON WILL GET CREDIT FOR THOSE SALES TAXES WHERE WE HAVEN'T PREVIOUSLY.WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO GO UP EVEN MORE GOING FORWARD.
BUT WE DO HAVE ONE MORE PAYMENT.
THAT'S WHY THEY ABLC IS SHOWING A NEGATIVE, IT HAS A DEFICIT RIGHT NOW IN THAT PRELIMINARY FINANCIALS.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE ONCE WE GET THAT LAST PAYMENT.
>> I COULD SEE THE ASTERISK AND I SAW THE REFERENCE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE AUDIT ADJUSTMENT WAS.
GOOD NEWS IS, WE DIDN'T LOSE $211,000.
>> NO, A COMPANY GOT AUDITED AND THEY HAD TO PAY A BACK PAY OF $200,000 AND THAT WAS 70,000 ADDITIONAL FOR ABLC, THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR.
WHAT IT DOES IS OVER FLAT LAST YEAR TO MAKE THE COMPARISONS.
>> SUPER. WHEN I SAW THE SECOND WITH THE ADJUSTMENT, I THOUGHT, " OH NO, WE'VE LOST OVER $200,000." JUST TO GET MAKE IT COMPARABLE.
GOT YOU. WE WOULD USE THE UNADJUSTED TO KNOW THE REAL NUMBERS, RIGHT?
>> OKAY. CHRIS, WHERE WE ARE EXPECTING A TOTAL OF AROUND LET'S JUST CALL IT LITTLE OVER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN TOTAL, CORRECT?
>> OKAY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN, IF TRENDS WORK, WHICH THIS IS PROVED TO BE PRETTY ACCURATE, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN 5.1 AND SO OUR PORTION OF THIS YEAR'S WOULD BE NOT QUITE 1.7.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT WE BUDGETED?
>> WELL, WE BUDGETED AN INCREASE ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO GO UP.
>> YEAH. HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO THE ACTUAL?
>> YEAH. I HAD LOTS OF PAPERS HERE AND I COULDN'T QUITE.
>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 20,000 SHORT OF THE BUDGET.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO PRETTY CLOSE?
>> BECAUSE WE BUDGETED A MORE OF AN INCREASE THAN THAT.
>> BECAUSE OF THE LITTLE BIT OF THE NUMBER.
COOL. WHEN I WENT TO ANGLETON BETTER LIVING AND 1.742 GOT IT.
I FOUND IT THIS TIME. 1.742, GOT IT.
THANK YOU. SORRY. PLUS THAT'LL LET THEM TRY TO LOAD THEIR STUFF UP.
>> ARE YOU READY TO GO TO THE REC?
>> ON THE REC, YOU'LL SEE THAT, BECAUSE OF COVID, THAT REVENUE WAS DOWN EARLY IN THE YEAR.
BUT EXPENSES OFFSET THAT ON THE NORMAL OPERATIONAL EXPENSES WERE IT COMES BACK TO CLOSE TO BREAK-EVEN.
WE DID HAVE SOME EXTRAORDINARY ITEMS. WE ALREADY APPROVED IN THE REC $217,000 FOR THE ROOF THAT CAME OUT OF BALANCE, THAT WOULD WE PUT IT IN CONTINGENCY, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME OTHER REC CENTER REPAIRS AND EXIT DOOR REPAIRS THAT FALL ON THAT CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS CAUSING IT TO SHOW A DEFICIT RIGHT NOW OF ABOUT 71,000.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DO HAVE AN INSURANCE CHECK THAT WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED.
I'VE ACTUALLY HAVE IT TODAY THAT I'M GOING TO DEPOSIT THAT'S GOING TO BRING THE REC BACK TO, APPROXIMATELY BREAK-EVEN FOR THIS YEAR.
>> HOW MUCH IS THE INSURANCE CHECK AND WHAT'S IT FOR?
>> IT'S $71,088, IT'S FOR THE DAMAGE THAT OCCURRED DURING THE HURRICANE. HURRICANE NICHOLAS.
>> HAVE WE ALREADY FIXED THE ITEMS THAT [OVERLAPPING] IT REPRESENTS?
>> YEAH. THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THERE AND OFFSET THOSE EXPENSES AND BRING THAT BACK TO BREAK-EVEN IN THE REC SIDE.
>> CHRIS, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE DOING THAT, IS THIS MEANT TO BE YOUR PRESENTATION ON THE FINANCIALS SO IF I HAVE A QUESTION, I NEED TO ASK IT NOW?
>> SUPER. DO YOU MIND IF I ASK A QUESTION?
>> YES. ANY TIME YOU CAN ASK ME A QUESTION YOU WANT.
>> PAGE 10, IT'S REALLY JUST EXPLAINING THE DUE FROM POOLED CASH.
EXPLAIN TO ME THE HOW THAT WORKS.
WE HAVE SOME CASH THAT WE OWE TO SOME SORT OF POOL?
>> WE DO A POOL ACCOUNTING WHICH REALLY HAVE ONE BANK ACCOUNT, WHERE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS GO.
BASICALLY, THE REASON THAT'S SHOWING DUE FROM POOLED CASH IS WHEN WE'RE SPENDING MONEY FOR OUR ABLC, THAT MONEY IS COMING OUT OF THE POOL CASH ACCOUNT.
ABLC HAS A SEPARATE BANK ACCOUNT, SO THEY OWE MONEY FROM THAT ACCOUNT.
>> TO POOL FOR THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S BETTER TO LOOK AT THE FUND BALANCE
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BECAUSE THAT TELLS YOU REALLY WHAT YOU HAVE IN CASH.>> PERFECT. I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, AND THAT MAKES IT EASIER.
NOTHING GETS PAID LATE, EVERYTHING IS PAID ON TIME AND THEN SETTLE UP AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
>> HEY, IS JERRY HERE? I'M NOT SEEING JERRY, BUT YOU'LL KNOW.
WE APPROVED A NUMBER OF SMALL ITEMS THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO AT THE REC CENTER.
I KNOW THAT ONE OF THEM WAS A PATIO BUT, CHRIS, IT'S IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS UNDER YOUR TOPIC.
DID WE DO THOSE? BECAUSE I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO PAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS A FEW THAT MAYBE THE REC CENTER WAS GOING TO DO THAT THEY'VE HELD OFF ON?
>> YES. WE HAD SOME ITEMS THAT WAS COVERED BY CARES FUNDING, THE LIFEGUARD OFFICE, AND THE POOL MANAGER OFFICE.
>> THE KITCHEN FOR ROOM 1 IS STILL UNDER RENOVATIONS WITH AWARD HOMES.
WE USE THAT SAME CONTRACTOR FOR THE LIFEGUARD OFFICE AND POOL MANAGER OFFICE, WHICH ARE BOTH COMPLETE.
THE CONTRACTOR WILL MOVE TO THE KITCHEN, WE'RE EXPECTING ANY TIME.
WE'RE WAITING ON CABINETRY TO BE DELIVERED AND SO THAT IS THE HANG UP THERE.
I WILL TELL YOU THE PLAZA WAS THE ADDITIONAL RENOVATION.
WE HAVE PURCHASED OUR LIGHT POLES, OUR [INAUDIBLE] LINES, OUR CONCRETE GAMES ARE ACTUALLY SITTING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, JUST NOT PUT TOGETHER AT THIS TIME.
WE TRIED TO COLLECT SEVERAL QUOTES FOR DEMOLITION OF THE WALL AND MANY OF THOSE CAME IN BEYOND WHAT OUR EXPECTATION WAS.
STEWART MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT BUT I WANT TO SAY IT WAS AROUND $30,000.
>> WOW, JUST TO DEMOLISH THE WALL?
WE'RE MAKING THAT A PARKS WINNER PROJECT.
WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE SLOW DOWN, WHICH IS SOON TO COME.
WHEN THE GRASS GOES DORMANT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT SOME ATTENTION TO THAT.
BUT WE HAVEN'T ERECTED THE POLES FOR THE LIGHTS BECAUSE WE WANT THE WALL DOWN, SAME THING WITH THE VEGETATION, BUT WE WILL BE WORKING ON THE CONCRETE GAMES.
THE ADDITIONAL PICNIC TABLES AND UMBRELLAS HAVE BEEN ORDERED, SO YOU SHOULD EXPECT SOME MOVEMENT THIS FOLLOWING INTO WINTER.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONVERSATION, YOU REMEMBER IT INTIMATELY AND THEN LATER WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES AND YOU'RE GOING, "I FORGOT SOME DETAIL." WAS THAT THE ONLY THING WE DID? I THOUGHT WE HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO, BUT IT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN THE CONVERSATION.
>> WE HAD PRIORITIZED WHAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS.
THE PRIORITY BEING THE PLAZA BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE THAT A RUNNABLE FACILITY.
>> THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE KITCHEN AND THE POOL MANAGER OFFICE, IF IT ALL CAME WITHIN BUDGET.
>> BECAUSE THIS RELATES TO FINANCIALS, CHRIS, AND I HAVE YOU.
REMIND ME, WHAT WE ARE PAYING OUT OF ABLC TO GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS A PART OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARKS PAYROLL THING, IS IT 40 PERCENT NOW? IS THAT WE'RE AT? WE WERE AT 50 AND NOW WE'RE AT 40.
>> THE CURRENT YEAR, WE'RE IN THE FISCAL YEAR, IT'S 50 PERCENT.
BUT IN THE BUDGET THAT'S JUST STARTED, IT'S GOING TO BE 40 PERCENT. IT'S COMING DOWN.
>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION, IF THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK IT FOR THE REC.
CAN YOU ANSWER IT OR CAN YOU TRY, MEGHAN?
>> YEAH, FINANCIALS. THE QUESTION THAT I HAD, IT APPEARS WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH AND JUST LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS HERE FOR THE REC CENTER, KNOWING THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN 770 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BREAK IT EVEN, I STARTED LOOKING CLOSER AT IT.
WE'VE GOT YOUTH EVENTS OR YOUTH CAMPS AND IT'S GREAT.
WE HAVE MORE REVENUE THAN EXPENSES, WE HAD REVENUE OF ALMOST 35,000 AND OUR EXPENSE LINE ITEM WAS 18.
THAT WAS GOOD, WE HAD A BETTER PARTICIPATION THAN OUR COSTS.
BUT THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SENIORS, THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
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WE HAD REVENUE OF $2,800 AND OUR EXPENSES WAS ALMOST 5,000.>> A LOT OF THAT HAS TO GO BACK TO OR DOES GO BACK TO OUR COST RECOVERY MODEL.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COST RECOVERY, WHEN WE ADDRESS THAT WITH THE PARKS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL SPECIFIED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO PUT A BURDEN ON THE SENIOR POPULATION AND SO WHEN COST RECOVERY COMES INTO PLAY, IT'S A DIFFERENT MODEL.
FOR OUR CAMPS, THIS IS ARBITRARY, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT IT IS, BUT WE MAY SAY WE WANT A 120 PERCENT COST RECOVERY ON CAMP OPERATIONS.
WELL, FOR SENIOR PROGRAMS, WE SAY WE WANT TO BREAK EVEN OR WE MAY EAT SOME OF THE COST FOR TRANSPORTATION OR IF WE GO ON A TRIP AND WE HAVE TO PAY FOR A PARTICIPANT, MEANING OUR SENIOR COORDINATOR OR PART-TIME SENIOR COORDINATOR WHO ATTEND, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CALCULATE THAT IN THE COST.
WE WANT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE COMING TO PAY AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY MAKE REVENUE.
WE JUST WANT THEM TO GET OUT, SOCIALIZE, AND WE'RE NOT MAKING MONEY ON THOSE PROGRAMS, IF YOU WILL.
>> NOW I'VE REALIZED END OF THE FISCAL YEAR IS SEPTEMBER 30TH, RIGHT?
>> OKAY. WE'RE PROBABLY DONE ON THAT BECAUSE THIS IS, THEORETICALLY, THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> I'VE REALIZED IT'S NOT FINAL.
>> I THOUGHT IT ODD THAT IN THE CURRENT MONTH, WHEN I LOOK AT THE RECEIPTS OR THE REVENUE SECTION, THAT THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS $195,000 THAT ABLC TRANSFERRED AND A LITTLE BIT OF SENIOR MEMBERSHIPS AND NO OTHER REVENUE.
I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M GOING, THAT SEEMS STRANGE.
HOW COULD WE OPERATE A WHOLE MONTH WITH ONLY OUR CHECK AND NOBODY ELSE? THIS IS ON PAGE 18.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. THERE WAS SOME OTHER DEPOSITS THAT CAME IN THAT I DID NOTICE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ENTRY WAS POSTED FOR THE CURRENT MONTH, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK THERE ARE DEPOSITS THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN POSTED AT THE TIME OF THE PRINTING OF THIS.
>> BECAUSE HERE THEN IS THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION IS, IF OUR REVENUES ARE WHAT I HAD HERE, WELL THEN WHY WOULD WE EXCEED OUR BUDGET FOR SALARIES WHEN WE AREN'T GETTING CLOSE TO WHAT REVENUES WERE.
LOOKING THEN ON PAGE 19, CHRIS, ON THE FIRST LINE ITEM.
>> I SEE THAT THE SALARIES THEMSELVES DID EXCEED THE BUDGET, BUT THE PART-TIME SALARIES ARE UNDER, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL PAYROLL, IT'S ACTUALLY UNDER THE BUDGET.
TOTAL PAYROLL COSTS ARE 753,000 COMPARED TO A BUDGET OF 783.
>> SURE. BUT [OVERLAPPING] HERE'S MY POINT.
>> THAT PARTICULAR LINE IS OVER.
BUT IT IS OFFSET RIGHT BELOW IT IN THE PART-TIME SALARIES.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER LINES THAT ARE UNDER OVER AND THEN THE TOTAL IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE BUDGET; FOR TOTAL PAYROLL.
>> UNDERSTOOD. BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT FULL-TIME PEOPLE WITH IT COMES RETIREMENT, COMES HEALTH INSURANCE, COMES EVERYTHING ELSE.
>> ANY BUSINESS OWNER WATCHES THAT CLOSER THAN ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE OF THE RELATED FAIRLY EXPENSIVE BENEFITS THAT COME WITH THAT.
NOW, OF COURSE, I LOOKED AT THIS AND I HOW STRANGE THAT WE HAD NO OTHER EARNINGS.
MAYBE THERE ARE MORE EARNINGS AND THERE'S JUST NOTHING POSTED THIS MONTH.
>> I THINK IT WASN'T POSTED AT THE TIME WE PRINTED THIS BECAUSE WE PUT EVERYTHING IN A WEEK IN ADVANCE.
I DID SEE A $10,000 INCREASE WHEN I LOOKED AT IT.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS GREAT IS THAT HEALTH INSURANCE IS DRAMATICALLY DOWN BUT SALARIES ARE UP.
I'M LIKE, HAVE WE POSTED EVERYTHING? IS THAT REALLY THE FINAL NUMBER OR NOT?
>> IT'S NOT THE FINAL NUMBER. IT'S PRELIMINARY.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU AT LEAST WHAT WE HAD THROUGH SEPTEMBER OR ELSE WE WOULD HAVE BEEN A WHOLE MONTH OUT.
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>> BUT LIKE I SAID, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, SINCE THIS PRINTING, IT WAS $10,000 MORE FAVORABLE, THAN THIS ONE SO THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE DEPOSITS FOR THIS MONTH.
>> NOT TO BELABOR IT TOO MUCH LONGER, BUT CONTRACT LABOR INSTRUCTORS, HOW DO WE USE THEM?
>> THOSE ARE OUR WATER AEROBICS AND LAND [INAUDIBLE] AND EMPLOYEES OR NOT EMPLOYEES FOR THEY'RE CONTRACTED LABOR.
THAT CONSISTS OF ALL OF OUR CLASSES THAT WE HAVE OFFERED.
IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD ACTUALLY CUT THOSE BACK LAST YEAR TO REDUCE COSTS SINCE WE WERE NOT BRINGING IN AS MUCH REVENUE DURING A COVID YEAR.
WHEN ABLC SAID, "HEY, THERE'S A DEMAND, BRING THOSE BACK".
WE HAVE ADDED SOME IN THIS NEW FISCAL YEAR.
SOME ADDITIONAL CLASSES THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, BUT WE'VE KEPT IT PRETTY CONSERVATIVE BASED OFF OF ATTENDANCE.
>> GOT YOU. OF COURSE, PART OF IT WHEN I LOOK HERE AND IF I TRY TO RELATE.
WHAT'S THE CURRENT COST? THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CURRENT TO SEE.
WELL, HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT? LAST THING ON THE CONTINGENCY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE REC CENTER, 318,000.
I KNOW ONE OF IT IS THAT WHERE WE PUT THE ROOF? MEGAN THAT'S ON PAGE 20, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, THE 318.
>> THAT WAS THE ROOF AND I BELIEVE ALSO CHRIS DID WE HAVE THE AUTOMATIC.
>> IT'S 217,000 FOR THE ROOF AND THEN THE REPAIRS FOR THE REC CENTER IS 59,000.
THE DOORS IS 39,000 AND THE HUMIDIFIERS RELATED TO THE HURRICANE.
SO 217 OF THE 318 IS THE ROOF, THE OTHER [INAUDIBLE] ARE THE REPAIRS [INAUDIBLE] AND SOME MINOR EXPENSES RELATED TO THE HURRICANE.
>> GOT IT. BUT WAIT, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE YET TO DO THE THING FOR THE SLIDE.
>> WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE SLIDE.
>> YES. THAT WAS ALSO ADDRESSED IS IN THAT TABULATION AS WELL.
>> WE COULD GET THE SLIDES SO THAT THEY COULD GET IN THERE AND GET ON THAT.
LAST FINANCIAL QUESTION. CHRIS, THIS ONE'S ON PAGE 22. THANK YOU FOR THE SCHEDULE.
THIS ONE'S A GREAT ONE WHERE WE HAVE WHAT ALL THE DIFFERENT BOND FUNDING IS FOR.
IT SAYS ON HERE THAT THE AMOUNT OF BOND FUNDING IS 625,478.
BUT THEN WHEN I GO BACK TO PAGE 17, IT SAYS THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 681,336.
>> THAT IS GOING TO BE A YEAR IN ADJUSTMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
FOR SOME REASON THAT WHAT WE DID THE MAJOR AMENDMENTS, THEY GOT RAISED TO 681, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CORRECT NUMBER.
THE CORRECT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE THE 625.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR IN ADJUSTMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE.
>> BUT YOU'RE RIGHT IT SHOULD TIE DIRECTLY TO THIS SCHEDULE.
>> GREAT. OKAY. WELL, THAT IS A GOOD THING.
>> NEXT YEAR, OF COURSE, THE BUDGET DOES TIE AT 557, SO THAT'S HOW WE CHECK THAT.
>> OKAY. [NOISE] GOOD [INAUDIBLE]. [NOISE].
>> [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, I APPRECIATE WE HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE YOU THAT IS GOOD WITH NUMBERS.
NOT THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON HIM BUT IT'S [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER].
[5. Discussion and possible action on projects for future Angleton Better Living Corporation bond capacity.]
ITEM NUMBER 5.DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROJECTS FOR FUTURE ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION BOND CAPACITY?
>> YES. THIS ITEM CAME UP IN OUR LAST ABLC MEETING.
WE WERE DISCUSSING SOME OF OUR PROJECTS AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THOSE, IN ADDITION TO THE UPCOMING BOND CAPACITY THAT WE COULD EXPECT FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE, I GOT WITH CHRIS HILL AND HE HAS PROVIDED US WITH THIS NUMBER OF APPROXIMATELY $2.8-$3 MILLION FOR A DEBT ISSUANCE IN MARCH 2022.
WHAT WE HAVE ATTACHED IS THE DRAFT, CIP PLAN THAT WE ALSO HAD AT THAT LAST MEETING FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW.
BASICALLY, WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD WAS THIS IS OUTLINED AND PRIORITIZED AS IT RELATES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN.
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THIS IS NOT STAFF COMING IN AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE A PRIORITY, THIS IS HOW IT IS OUTLINED IN THAT STRATEGIC PLAN.WE HAD SHORT-TERM, MID-TERM, AND LONG-TERM GOALS, AND SO ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING ADDRESSED IN THAT WAY.
WE DID GET SOME FEEDBACK AT THE PARKS BOARD MEETING, WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT LATER IN FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENT, ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PRIORITIZED.
BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ABLC TO JUST GIVE STAFF GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED AND THE DRAFTED CIP PLAN, AND WHAT YOU THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT.
IF IT'S NOT IN THIS PRIORITIZATION, HELP US TO IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR THAT NEXT BOND ISSUANCE.
>> ON YOUR VERY FIRST MUNICIPAL POOL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY REFERRING TO THE OUTDOOR MUNICIPAL POOL?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. THAT WAS A CLARIFICATION THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD DID ASK.
THAT WAS JUST THE OLD MUNICIPAL POOL SITE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH THAT SITE, HOW WE PLAN TO DEVELOP IT, AND IF IT EVEN NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA.
THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD DID DISCUSS WHY THAT MIGHT NOT BE AN IDEAL AREA FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE WE CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
PLEASE THINK OF THAT ITEM, A WALL, IT SAYS MUNICIPAL POOL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
THINK OF THAT ITEM AS A SOUTHSIDE PARK DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TO ADDRESS THE LACK OF SERVICE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
>> JUST BECAUSE A REC CENTER IS DOWN NEXT TO THE BOTTOM DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO FALL.
>> CORRECT. ANOTHER THING THAT WE MENTIONED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING LAST WEEK WAS THIS IS STRICTLY AGAIN, TAKEN FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE HAD, WHICH MAINLY CONSISTED OF INDOOR AMENITIES.
A LOT OF WHAT AVLC IN THE PARKS BOARD HAS DISCUSSED MOST RECENTLY HAS BEEN OUTDOOR RENOVATIONS.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND ADD TO THE CIP PLAN WHEN WE REVISE AND MAKE THOSE OUTDOOR AMENITIES MORE OF A PRIORITY AND THEN ADDRESS OVERALL EXPANSION AND REHAB IF THE REC CENTER LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
>> BUT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSING APPROVAL TO SEEK FUNDING WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE IN MARCH 22 AND GO TOWARD THAT FOR WHATEVER PROJECT WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO DO IT THAT TIME.
>> BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE BEEN, I KNOW THE PARKS BOARD AND I BELIEVE THIS BOARD, THE PRIORITY IS SOUTH SIDE.
THERE'S NOTHING SOUTHWARD TRACKS, SO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT.
EVERYONE KNOWS, YOU WANT TO KNOW IS DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH BONDING NEXT YEAR?
>> RIGHT. ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO THAT? IF WE DO DO THAT IN MARCH BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO GET STARTED WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL, START THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL AS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, HILLTOP SECURITIES, HELPS US UNDERSTAND, HEY, WE NEED TO GET THE BALL ROLLING AND PREPARATION FOR WHATEVER PARK IS OR PROJECT RATHER IS YOUR PRIORITY.
>> YOU KNOW HOW THINGS MOVE SLOWLY.
>> HEY, CHRIS, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT THE GOOD BOND RATING TIME, GOOD INTEREST RATE TIME. WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW?
>> WELL, JUST I GUESS, FIRST TO START WITH WHERE WE GOT THE 2.8 TO 3 MILLION, JOE MORAL GRANT THE NUMBERS BASED ON LAST YEAR THAT OUR DEBT SERVICE WAS 625 AND NOW IT'S DROPPED INTO 587.
THEY SAID TO HIM, DON'T LET OUR DEBT SERVICE GO UP PAST 625.
THEN BASED ON CURRENT MARKET RATES, HE CAME OUT WITH A 2.8 MILLION TO 3 MILLION.
HOWEVER, SINCE THEN THEY USED 3.5 PERCENT, WHICH HE THINKS IT COULDN'T GET A LOT BETTER RIGHT FROM THAT.
I THINK WE CAN GET AT LEAST A ONE PERCENT BETTER RATE NOW, WHICH MEANS WE REALLY HAVE MORE MINIMUM CAPACITY OF THE 2.8 TO 3 MILLION.
THAT'S NOT LET NOT THOSE SERVICES GO UP PAST THAT 625 THAT WE PAID THIS YEAR.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE PAYING ALMOST 380.
I'M JUST GOING TO USE ROUND NUMBERS, 380 THOUSAND TO PAY FOR PART OF PARKS SALARIES. THERE'S 380.
THEN WE'RE PAYING FOR THE REC CENTER DUE TO FUND OPERATIONS TO ZERO, $779 THOUSAND.
RIGHT THERE, WE ARE ALMOST TO 1.2 MILLION.
OUR SCHEDULE SHOWS THAT WE ARE GETTING BETWEEN 1.5 TO MAYBE 1.6 MILLION.
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I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DOES HIS MAGIC, BUT I'M SITTING HERE AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LEEWAY.NOW I REALIZED WE DON'T PAY IT ALL AT ONCE.
WE USED TO HAVE A PRETTY BIG FUND BALANCE AND THERE'S NO REASON TO KEEP A FUND BALANCE, WE SHOULD SPEND IT, BUT WE'RE DOWN TO $558 THOUSAND.
DOES HE HAVE A CALCULATION THAT HE CAN SHARE WITH THIS BOARD MEMBER?
>> THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE I DON'T QUITE GET HOW WE CAN FUND THAT MUCH WITH WHAT WE GOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
>> WHY DON'T I EMAIL YOU HIS SCHEDULE WHERE HE CAME UP WITH THAT ONE.
>> ACTUALLY COULD YOU EMAIL IT TO EVERYBODY? THOUGH I'M HAPPY TO WEAR THIS HAT.
IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN I DO.
BUT I'M SITTING HERE AND I KNOW WE ARE OBLIGATED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REC CENTER KEEPS HIS DOORS OPEN AND FUND ITSELF.
WE'VE GOT THIS OTHER DEAL THAT WE'RE WHITTLING IT DOWN, BUT I'M SITTING HERE AND I WAS LIKE, HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THAT MUCH MONEY? THAT'S MY CONCERN.
>> RIGHT. IN PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT SALES TAX IS PLANNED TO INCREASE.
IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OVER TIME SO THAT THERE'S SOME BUILT-IN INCREASE.
>> THAT'S GOING TO GO OVER TIME.
BUT HE DOES THE COMPLICATED CALCULATIONS THAT TELL US EXACTLY WHAT HE THINKS AS CAPACITY AND THIS IS WHAT HE THINKS IS OUR MINIMUM CAPACITY.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT CONSERVES IT [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU SAID HE USED A LITTLE BIT HIGHER INTEREST RATE THAN HE THINKS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A REAL MARKET RATE?
>> RIGHT. HE USED 3.5 PERCENT AND HE THINKS WE COULD PROBABLY GET 2.5 IF NOT BETTER THAN THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE RATES ARE AS LOW AS THEY ARE.
>> LOCK IT IN BECAUSE FROM HERE POINT, HE BELIEVES THAT IF THEIR INTERESTS IS GOING TO START GOING UP NEXT YEAR.
>> THEN BECAUSE THE MARCUS IS A LITTLE UNSTABLE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC PRESSURES THAT ARE HAPPENING FEDERALLY.
>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NOTE BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MACHINERY.
WHEN YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING AND PRIORITIZING, HOW DO THIS DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BRINGING IN VARIOUS GREEN SPACES, HOW DO THEY PLAY A PART OR DO THEY NOT PLAY A PART IN YOUR PLANNING?
>> THEY ACTUALLY DO PLAY A PART.
EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN, LUCKILY, WE'RE ONE OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES THAT DOES HAVE A PARKLAND'S DEDICATION ORDINANCE, SO ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ONLY APPLICABLE CURRENTLY TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BASICALLY DEDICATE PARKLAND AND DEVELOP PARKLAND PER OUR STANDARDS IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TODAY.
IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO DO THAT OR THEY DO NOT AGREE TO DO THAT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PAY US A FEE IN LIEU OF PARKLAND.
WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS REVISING THAT ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE DO NOT IMPLEMENT A FEE CURRENTLY, WHILE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IT'S NOT DEFINED AND CALCULATED TO IMPLEMENT A FEE FOR IMPROVEMENT.
WHILE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE US A FEE IN LIEU OF PARKLAND RIGHT NOW, THAT ONLY GIVES US THE LAND.
WE CAN ONLY GO OUT AND PURCHASE A PIECE OF LAND THAT DOES US NO BENEFIT FOR GROWTH IF WE CAN'T ACTUALLY DEVELOP IT INTO A PARK THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS OR NEW RESIDENTS CAN USE.
WE'RE WORKING ON REVISING THAT.
WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT ORDINANCE WILL ACTUALLY GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW IN DECEMBER.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH P&Z EVERY TIME YOU DO AN ORDINANCE THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT.
IT WILL GO TO P&Z FIRST, FOLLOWED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
>> IS THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WORKED ON IN THE PARKS AND THE PARKWAY DEDICATION OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S SYNONYMOUS. YES. IT'S JUST BEEN IN LEGAL REVIEW SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE ALL THE LANGUAGE AND THE DEFINITIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY LISTED IN THE LDC, WHICH IS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
>> DOES THAT MEAN THAT DEVELOPER A THAT THEY WOULD IN ESSENCE GIVE THE CITY PART OF THE LAND THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING SUB DIVISIONAL?
>> POTENTIALLY, BUT MOST DEVELOPERS ARE NOT KEEN ON THAT IDEA, SO THEY PAY THE FEE [OVERLAPPING]. ABSOLUTELY.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO BE A REALIST HERE, SO HOW PRACTICALLY WOULD IT WORK?
>> WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS THEY OPT FOR THE FAM THEY LOVE, AND WE'RE REQUIRED BY OUR ORDINANCE, HOW IT'S STATED CURRENTLY, WE HAVE TO SPEND THOSE FEES ON PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND DEVELOPMENTS FOR THESE NEW RESIDENTS WITHIN A TEN-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.
IF WE DON'T SPEND THE FUNDS THAT THEY GAVE US IN 10 YEARS, THEY CAN COME BACK AND APPEAL TO THE CITY AND REQUEST A REFUND.
>> I GUARANTEE YOU WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY.
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>> SURE. BUT FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THERE REALLY IS NO LAW BECAUSE WE'VE NOT SAID YOU HAVE TO PAY X.
>> THERE IS. WE HAVE ONE IT'S JUST AN OLD ORDINANCE, SO WE'RE REVISING IT.
IF YOUR A MULTI-FAMILY HOME, IT'S 475 PER DWELLING UNIT.
IF YOU'RE A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE, IT'S 575 PER HOME, PER FAMILY DWELLING UNIT.
YOU DO THOSE CALCULATIONS BASED OFF THE FLATS OF THOSE FAMILY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HAVE ONE AND PRACTICAL MATTER HERE.
WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF NEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE GOING IN.
>> RIGHT. WE'RE SELECTING FUNDS.
>> WE ARE USING THAT AS ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM FOR ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
LET ME SEE IF IT'S ACTUALLY ON THIS PAGE FOR YOU GUYS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THIS PAGE, BUT IN THE DETAIL PAGES THAT I SENT YOU GUYS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I LISTED EVERY PROJECT THAT WE HAD.
WE ITEMIZED THE DETAIL THAT WE'RE GOING OUT FOR GRANT AND OTHER FUNDING RESOURCES.
LDC WAS LISTED AS ONE, PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES WAS LISTED AS ONE.
PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES ARE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
>> PARKLAND. GREAT. I THINK I MISSED IT. SORRY.
>> YOU'RE MOSTLY TAP THE SOUTHERN REGION SEE GOING UP.
IT'S PREFERABLE RIGHT NOW THEY GET THE FEE IN LIEU OF BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY WANT A PART THAT IS THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM, IT HAS HAS MORE TO MAINTAIN AND RIDE.
IT DOESN'T SERVE THE COMMUNITY IS BETTER TO GET THE MONEY, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THAT SAID PARK IS IN A MUCH NEEDED PART OF TOWN.
WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SET THE SUBDIVISION TO A PART OF TOWN THAT HAS A GREAT PARK [INAUDIBLE].
MAYBE ON THIS AGENDA TOO IS TRY TO HAVE STANDARDS SO THEY DON'T COME IN A BIG TABLE AND SAY I DON'T HAVE TO PAY $200 PARK FEE.
>> WHAT WE ARE AND YOU'LL SEE LATER ON TODAY, THANK YOU, CHRIS, IS WE'RE TRYING TO SET THOSE STANDARDS AND MAKE THEM CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE AT LAKESIDE.
NOT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A LAKESIDE PARK.
>> BUT [OVERLAPPING] WHEN WE'RE ON A BENCH, WE WANT IT TO BE BUILT TO THE SPECIFICATION.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US A PARK AND CONVEY PARKLAND TO US, THEN WE WANT IT TO BE MINIMALLY FIVE ACRES.
WE DON'T WANT HALF AN ACRE PARK THAT WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY OR COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE OVER BECAUSE THE HOA HAS GONE TO FUND, WHICH ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS GOING UP VERY QUICKLY.
>> WELL, CRYSTAL, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN, WE ALL KNOW TRYING TO WHATEVER, ECONOMICALLY DEVELOP THEMSELVES AS WELL AS [LAUGHTER] THE COMMUNITY AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS SHARE THE VISION.
>> I ASSUME YOU WANT TO ACTION THAT ITEM, IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?
>> ON THIS, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO TAKE ACTION.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE A PROJECT SPECIFICALLY IN MIND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER FOR THIS NEW BOND CAPACITY, YOU CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THAT AS WELL.
>> WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS HOW YOU ALL WANT TO PRIORITIZE IT.
>> TALK ABOUT OR JUST ALL OF THEM IN GENERAL?
>> DO YOU WANT WHAT ALLEN SAID IN ORDER THAT WE WANT, IS THAT WHAT YOU PREFER?
>> NOT NECESSARILY IN THESE SLIDES, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS AS IT RELATES TO THE BOND CAPACITY.
ALL OF THESE PROJECTS OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT FALL WITHIN THE BOND CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE FOR MARCH 2022.
IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO FOCUS THOSE RESOURCES ON, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
>> MY OPINION IS THE SOUTH SIDE TRACKS HAS NOTHING.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE WE DO AN EXISTING PARK.
IT'S PRETTY WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
IF WE BOND, THE DOUBT TO ME WOULD BE THE FIRST THING WE BOND, I BELIEVE THE PARKS BOARD WAS AN AGREEMENT ON THAT AS WELL BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS BOARD'S OPINION IS. WHAT DO YOU THINK, WILLIAM?
>> RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY JUST GO AHEAD AND LAY IT OUT IN DETAIL ABOUT WHAT WE WANT.
>> AS LONG AS WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S FOR THE SOUTH SIDE ACTUALLY IN THIS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PRIORITIZED.
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IT JUST HAS TO BE IN IT, CORRECT?>> WELL, THIS IS A PRIORITIZED CIP.
SOUTHSIDE PARK DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT WE HAVE AS THE TOP RANKING PROJECT.
WE HAVE PROVIDED THIS AS A RESOURCE TO HELP GUIDE THE BOARD FOR THE NEXT BOND ISSUANCE, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO GO TOWARDS SOUTH SIDE, WE WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.
>> YEAH, WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. I THINK THAT PRIORITY ONE.
>> DO YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE AS FAR AS A RANKING NOW AND DISCUSS [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE WILL DO THAT WITH FEATURE PARK DEVELOPMENT AT A LATER ITEM.
>> WITH THAT SAID THAT WE WANT A SOUTH SIDE, DO YOU WANT US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR DO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AS FAR AS PROCEEDING WITH PREPARING FOR BOND IN THE FUTURE?
>> OR CAN I JUST DO THE RECOMMENDATION?
>> I'LL RECOMMEND ABLC APPROVE THE DEBT ISSUANCE OF $3.3 MILLION ON MARCH 22.
IS THAT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO PRIORITIZE CIP, PARK AND RECREATION AND DISCUSS DATES? [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] PROJECTS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON PROJECTS TO PURSUE AND SPECIFICALLY PRIORITIZING SOUTH SIDE PROJECTS FIRST.
>> FRANCES, IS THAT WORK FOR THE ITEM? PERFECT, THANK YOU.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO PURSUE THE ISSUANCE OF THE BOND FOR A SOUTHSIDE PARK. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> I'LL POST A SIGN THAT MOTION PASSES.
ITEM NUMBER 6, DISCUSSION ON PARKS AND RECREATION, ADMINISTRATION OF DATES.
[6. Discussion on Park and Recreation Administrative updates.]
YOU-ALL MAY NOT KNOW THAT THIS VALUE IS UP THERE?>> [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> I'LL INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M KYLE LIVESAY, I AM THE NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
THIS IS GOING INTO MY THIRD MONTH NOW, SO THIS IS MY FIRST ABLC BOARD.
I THINK IT'S TWO AND A HALF MONTHS ROUGHLY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S MY FIRST ABLC BOARD, SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE AND TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH YOU GUYS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] TELL US YOUR LAST NAME JUST ONE MORE TIME.
>> NO PROBLEM. JUST TO GO THROUGH SOME UPDATES REALLY QUICKLY AND JUST SOME ITEMS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND WORKING ON COLLABORATIVELY WITH SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
THE FIRST ITEM IS JUST HIGHLIGHTING, IT'S THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OPPORTUNITIES PROGRAM GRANTS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I TOOK ON SOON AFTER GETTING HERE AND WE'RE DOING THE STAGES COMPLETION OF THAT.
I WENT TO COUNSEL LAST WEEK FOR A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE TOO.
I MOVE FORWARD WITH REQUESTING FUNDS AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS JUST ALTERNATIVE FUNDING TO FUND PROGRAMMING, SPECIFICALLY TO OUTDOOR AND NATURE EDUCATION TO OUTREACH COMMUNITIES.
WE'VE REQUESTED $47,000 AND SOME CHANGE FOR THAT TO BE ABLE TO HELP OFFSET THE COST OF SERVICES, SUPPLIES, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT SO WE CAN SET OURSELVES UP TO OFFER MORE NATURE AND OUTDOOR PROGRAMMING WITHIN THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND SPECIFICALLY MAKING IT MORE AVAILABLE TO COMMUNITIES THAT REACH CERTAIN OUTREACH CHARACTERISTICS.
WITH THAT, THE PRIMARY AREAS IS JUST LOW-INCOME, ETHNIC MINORITIES, AND WOMEN.
WE HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE WITHIN THE CITY OF ANGLETON PRIMARILY, WE'RE MOST ELIGIBLE FOR THAT BASED OFF OF LOW-INCOME POPULATION, BASED OFF OUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR FREE AND [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN PROCESS AND APPLICATION FOR THAT WILL BE COMPLETED AS OF NOVEMBER 1ST.
[NOISE] HOPEFULLY, WE'LL HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVE FUNDING TO EXPAND OUR SERVICES THERE.
SECOND IS JUST INFORMATIONAL TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THE KEEP ANGLETON BEAUTIFUL FALL SWEEP IS COMING UP AS OF NOVEMBER 13TH.
IF YOU HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED THAT BEFORE, IT'S CITYWIDE CLEANUP EVENT TO WORK ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL, PAPER SHREDDING, ELECTRONIC RECYCLING, LARGE DEBRIS, AND TIRE RECYCLING.
WE'LL ALSO BE PARTNERING WITH TREES FOR HOUSTON TO DO SOME FREE TREE OR A GIVEAWAYS FOR SOME REFORESTATION [NOISE] AND JUST PLANTING EFFORTS WITHIN THAT AS WELL.
YOU'LL SEE MORE INFORMATION COMING THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AS FAR AS JUST UPDATES ABOUT THE FALL SWEEP AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY PARTICIPATES AND GET SORTED OUT ON THAT.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO SECURE SOME ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FOR THAT AS WELL THROUGH SPONSORSHIPS.
WE'VE GOT A HANDFUL OF SPONSORS NOW, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY UP TO $4,000 IN HAND AS FAR AS SPONSORSHIPS TO OFFSET THE COST OF THOSE, WHICH IS GETTING CLOSER TO ACTUALLY COVERING THE EXPENSES OF THAT EVENT SO WE CAN REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TO OTHER THINGS THAT WAS PLANNED BUDGET.
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THEN LASTLY, CURRENTLY MYSELF, MEGAN, AND A FEW OTHER CITY STAFF ARE WORKING ON UPDATING THIS SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS AND ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE CITY.CURRENTLY, WE ONLY HAVE A MASS GATHERINGS PERMIT PROCESS FOR THE CITY SO IF YOU WANT TO DO AN EVENT IN ANGLETON, WE HAVE A ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW FOR 1,000 PLUS GATHERING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ACCOMMODATE SMALLER SPECIAL EVENTS OR MORE SPECIFIC SPECIAL EVENTS, SO WE'RE WORKING ON UPDATING WHAT IS NEEDED FROM A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE FOR APPLYING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITTING WITHIN ANGLETON AS WELL AS APPLICATION PROCESS, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THAT NOW, SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY BE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND MORE USER-FRIENDLY TO BE ABLE TO TRACK MORE SPECIAL EVENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
THOSE ARE THE UPDATES. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATING TO THOSE ITEMS?
>> MY ONLY QUESTION IS THAT [INAUDIBLE] .
>> SURE. PRIOR TO WORKING HERE, I WORKED WITH THE CITY OF [INAUDIBLE].
I WAS THERE FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS AS A RECREATION PROGRAM OR AN OPERATIONS MANAGER.
I OVERSAW ALL OF THE FACILITIES AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN FREMONT PARKS AND RECREATION.
PRIOR TO THAT, I WORKED FOR ROUGHLY 13-14 YEARS WITH THE YMCA GREATER HOUSTON YMCA IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE AND NATIONAL AREA, SIMILAR WORK.
SO I'VE BEEN IN THIS FIELD OF RECREATION AND OPERATIONS AND JUST GENERAL BUSINESS MANAGEMENT AND ALL THE THINGS BELOW SINCE I'VE STARTED WORKING ESSENTIALLY.
>> WE'LL MOVE ON UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 7, DISCUSSION OF RECREATION DIVISION OF THINGS.
[7. Discussion on Recreation Division updates.]
>> YES. I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF JERRY GONZALEZ.
THIS EVENING, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL UPDATES, AND THE RECREATION DIVISION, THE POOL SIDE IS OPEN AND OPERATIONAL. THANK HEAVENS.
YES. WE DID HAVE [INAUDIBLE] CONTRACTION FINISH THE PROJECT IN EARLY AUGUST, BUT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE HAD TO HAVE TML COME OUT AND INSPECT PROVIDER PAPERWORK AND INSPECTION STICKER, WHICH WE DID NOT RECEIVE UNTIL OCTOBER 5TH.
SO OCTOBER 5TH IS WHEN WE OPENED THE APP.
BUT WE'RE HOPING FOR A GREAT SUMMER SEASON IN 2022.
PULL DOORS NABCO COMPLETED EMERGENCY EXIT DOORS IN LATE AUGUST AND AN EDITORIUM, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE VENDOR REGARDING AESTHETICS AND DOOR REPLACEMENT AND POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES.
WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY HAPPY WITH THE INSTALLATION, SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HAVING HIM COME BACK AND MODIFY IT.
RECREATION CENTER INNOVATIONS, LIKE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, CARES AND AVLC FUNDING DID GO TOWARDS RENOVATING THE AQUATIC LIFEGUARD OFFICE, POOL MANAGER OFFICE, AS WELL AS MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, ONE KITCHEN.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE KITCHEN, BUT SHOULD HOPEFULLY BE DONE WITH THAT SOMETIME THIS MONTH OR EARLY IN NOVEMBER.
WITH AVLC FUNDING, AGAIN, WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE STRAND LIGHTS, POLES, PICNIC TABLES, UMBRELLAS, AND CONCRETE GAMES.
THOSE ARE READY TO BE SET UP AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DEMOLITION OF THE WALL SOMETIME THIS FALL.
AT THAT TIME WE'LL ERECT THE POLES, THE STRAND LIGHTS, AND THEN WORK ON REAL LANDSCAPING THE AREA.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
A LITTLE UPDATE ON HURRICANE NICHOLAS.
ON 9:13, STAFF PREPARED THE RECREATION CENTER AND PREPARATION FOR HURRICANE NICHOLAS BY BRINGING IN OUTDOOR ITEMS, ASSESSING EXISTING CONDITIONS INSIDE AND OUT.
THEY ALSO CLOSED EARLY TO MAKE SURE STAFF COULD GET HOME SAFELY.
ON 9:14, STAFF ASSESSED ALL PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
THE RECREATION CENTER DID NOT HAVE ANY POWER AND IT'S OFF SEPARATE FROM SOME WATER DAMAGE AND VARIOUS AREAS INCLUDING THE HALLWAYS, WOMEN AND MEN'S LOCKER ROOM, GYMNASIUM, AND BOTH MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS. STAFF WORKED TO CLEAN ALL THE AREAS AND SERVICES OF [INAUDIBLE] TO ELIMINATE MOISTURE AND PREVENT FURTHER ISSUES.
WE DID HAVE RESTORED POWER AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR COOLING STATION FROM 9:15 AM THROUGH 9:19, FROM 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM, WHICH OUR STAFF WAS THERE TO WELCOME PATRONS THAT NEEDED SOME ASSISTANCE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR STAFF DID WORK WITH SOME OTHER CITY STAFF WHO MANAGE OUR 211 LIST TO ENSURE THAT SENIORS IN THE AREA WHO WERE OUT OF POWER WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE SOME MEALS.
AT MAGNOLIA ACRES, THEY HELPED DELIVER SOME MEALS TO 10 SENIOR CITIZENS.
THEN WE RETURNED TO NORMAL OPERATIONS ON MONDAY, 9:20.
LIKE WE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE RECEIVED A CHECK OF A LITTLE OVER $71,000 FOR THE LEAVE.
IT WAS FLOODING, BUT WE'RE STILL HAVING WIND BE ASSESSED.
SO WE HAD SOMEONE COME OUT, OR ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S LATER ON THIS WEEK THERE'LL BE COMING OUT TO ASSESS THE ROOF TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING WAS DAMAGED WITH OUR NEW ROOF, WE DID HAVE A HATCH THAT BLEW OPEN.
WE BELIEVE IT WAS DUE TO THE STORM,
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WHICH THEN COULD HAVE INADVERTENTLY CAUSED SOME OF THE WATER TO COME IN AND DAMAGE THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM SPECIFICALLY.WE MAY RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FROM THAT ONCE THAT HAS BEEN ASSESSED.
ONE OF OUR LARGE EVENTS THAT IS COMING UP IS HEART OF CHRISTMAS.
THAT EVENT IS GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT WE HOPE IT IS GOING TO BE JUST AS EXCITING AS YEARS PASSED.
BECAUSE OF COUNTY CONTRACTION, WE HAVE HAD TO MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND.
MANY OF YOU GUYS WHO HAVE ATTENDED MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE OUTDOOR KIDS' ENTERTAINMENT WAS IN THE BAPTIST CHURCH PARKING LOT.
NOW THAT THAT IS ALL BLOCKS OFF, WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE THINGS AROUND A BIT, BUT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT EVENT.
WE'RE WRAPPING UP SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
WE HAVE A FALL CAMP OUT ON 10/30.
WE ALSO HAVE A KID'S PUMPKIN BREAK THIS WEEK, WHICH WE HAD SEVERAL SIGN-UPS FOR DURING THE FALL BREAK.
OTHER ACTIVITIES INCLUDE HALLOWEEN THEME POUND WORKOUTS, STARS AND STEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH NASA.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE AS WELL.
MANY ATHLETES, WE'VE ALSO RAMPED UP OUR SENIOR ACTIVITIES THE LAST QUARTER OF LAST YEAR AND THEN OF COURSE IN OCTOBER AS WELL.
WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF SENIORS COME BACK INTO OUR FACILITY, PARTICIPATE IN OUR PROGRAMS. BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT SECONDARY BUS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO EXPAND OUR PROGRAM OFFERINGS WHEN WE HAVE A WAITING LIST.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE INAUGURAL MISS SILVER HEART PAGEANT, WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE ON NOVEMBER 13TH. YES, MA'AM.
>> WHEN DID WE GET THE SECOND BUS?
>> THAT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH ENTERPRISE FLEET.
WE REDUCE COSTS. IT'S A LEASE AGREEMENT, IT'S NOT A PURCHASE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR VEHICLES REDUCED AND THOSE COSTS WERE THEN USED FOR LEASE OF THE NEW BUS. THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR.
>> AGAIN, I BELIEVE THEY REDUCE THE COST OF OUR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND AVLC OR RECREATION CENTER.
SO IT SHOULD STILL BE THE RECREATION CENTER AVLC'S BUDGET, BUT IT'S JUST A LEASE PAYMENT RATHER THAN AN ANNUAL PREVENTATIVE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHICH LINE ITEM? I JUST DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ONE.
>> I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH CHRIS HILLS' EMAIL?
>> YEAH HE'LL KNOW. I WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY.
>> HEY, WHAT'S THE MISS SILVER HEART?
>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION RIGHT THERE.
>> ONE THING THAT WE STARTED DOING WITH STAFF AND IT REALLY INITIATED WITH PARK TOURS I STARTED TAKING OUR PARK STAFF ON PARK TOURS TO DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES MAINTENANCE THEIR BALL FIELDS OR THEIR DOG PARKS OR WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT WAS A GREAT WAY FOR OUR STAFF TO NOT ONLY NETWORK WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES BUT LEARN FROM MUNICIPALITIES AND JUST SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
WE STARTED THAT WITH OUR RECREATION DIVISION AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO PARK TOURS, WE DO FACILITY TOURS.
THIS WAS A CONCEPT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US WHEN WE VISITED THE CITY OF PASADENA.
THEY HAVE A GREAT SHOWING FOR MISS SILVER.
THEY CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT IS A SENIOR CITIZEN PAGEANT.
WE ARE IMPLEMENTING THAT AND WE HOPE THAT THAT GAINS MOMENTUM JUST LIKE PASADENA DOES.
WE WILL INVITE THIS MS. SILVER HEART TO THINGS LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY FAIR OR JUST TO PARTICIPATE IN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DO ALSO.
>> WHEN I SAW THAT, I DID A DOUBLE-TAKE.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THAT IS.
THAT'S A PAGEANT FOR THE SENIORS.
HOW ABOUT SOMETHING FOR THE GUYS WHO ARE SENIORS WHO WANT TO SHOW THEIR PHYSIQUES AND SUCH?
>> [LAUGHTER] THAT MIGHT FALL UNDER TALENTS FOR A SENIOR PAGEANT.
WE WOULD NEVER DISCOURAGE OUR MALES FROM PARTICIPATING.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE COULD CERTAINLY TALK THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
>> GREAT. BECAUSE WHEN I'M WORKING OUT THE MORNING TIME AT 6:30, I SAW A LOT OF THESE OLDER GUYS LIKE [INAUDIBLE].
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT BACK TO THE RECREATION CENTER, THOSE CENTER PLAZA.
MAYBE I MISSED ONE OF THE MEETINGS, BUT I WASN'T EXACTLY SURE HOW THAT'S SET UP.
BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T GO THROUGH THE RACK?
>> IT IS. IF YOU'RE APPROACHING THE FRONT DOORS, YOU MAY NOT SEE IT.
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YOU MAY MISS IT BECAUSE THERE'S A CINDER BLOCK WALL THAT IS THE PERIMETER.OFTENTIMES PEOPLE MISS THE COURTYARD BECAUSE IT'S JUST SURROUNDED BY A CINDER BLOCK WALL.
SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND IT WILL BE VISIBLE.
THERE'S PAVERS ON THE GROUND CURRENTLY, AND IT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE THE GYMNASIUM.
>> I GUESS SOME OF THE CITIZENS USING THAT DO NOT HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE RACK, NEITHER HAVE TO HAVE A MEMBERSHIP?
>> CORRECT. IT WILL BE AN AMENITY IN THE OUTSIDE THAT WOULD HELP QUALIFY THE RECREATION CENTER TO BE CONSIDERED A PARK CENTRALLY LOCATED IN TOWN.
>> IF SOMEBODY WALKED UP AND WANTED TO PLAY CORN HOLE, THEY CAN JUST GRAB IT AND PLAY.
>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO THE FACILITY TO GET THE BEAN BAGS FOR CORN HOLE OR PING PONG PADDLES FOR PING PONG AND SO ON, AND IF THEY WANTED EXCLUSIVE USE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RENT THE SITE FROM US.
>> I GOT YOU BUT IF THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE A LITTLE LUNCH, THEY JUST COME IN AND SIT DOWN, AND ENJOY THE DAY OR IF THEY HAVE A COFFEE AND IT'S NIGHT AND THE LIGHTS ARE PRETTY AND THEY WENT TO WALK UP AND HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND ENJOY THE EVENING, THEY JUST DO THAT.
>> DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON RECREATION DIVISION UPDATES? I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BURKES.
[8. Discussion on Parks Division updates.]
>> I'M AT DISCUSSION ON PARKS DIVISION UPDATE.
>> GIVE YOU A RUNDOWN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PARKS.
WE REMOVED SIX DOWN TREES AND BASE LEAKY PARK AND DELIVERED COUNTLESS TRAY TO LOAD THE LIMBS AND DEBRIS TO WAVE'S PARK.
WE ALLOW CITIZENS TO COME OUT AND PICK UP PECAN LIMBS, OAK LIMBS THAT THEY WANTED TO USE THEM FOR THEIR CHIMNEY OR BARBECUE.
CURRENTLY, WE PUT SOME LIMBS OUT ONE DAY LAST WEEK AND THEY WERE GONE IN A DAY SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR WOODS.
LUCKILY, THERE WAS NO STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO ANY OF OUR FACILITIES, BALL FIELDS, CONCESSION STANDS, PAVILIONS, SO WE GOT LUCKY THERE.
DICKEY PARK PLAYGROUND IS CURRENTLY BEING INSTALLED.
TODAY, THEY WERE WORKING ON THE FORUMS FOR THE BORDERS.
THEY'VE GOT THE PLASTIC DOWN INSIDE THE PLAYGROUND AREA.
HOPEFULLY, THEY CAN MAKE SOME HEADWAY ON THAT, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME DRY WEATHER.
THEY SPENT ABOUT THREE DAYS OF PUMPING WATER OUT OF THE HOLE SO THEY SHOULD BE STARTING TO FINISH UP WITH THAT BASE PART PAVILION.
THEY STARTED THIS PAST FRIDAY, REMOVING SOME OF THE TIN OFF THE ROOF.
THEY'VE GOT IT ALL REMOVED, I'VE TALKED TO THE CONTRACTOR TODAY.
THEY PLAN ON REMOVING THEIR STRUCTURAL TOMORROW.
WE'VE GOT THE LIGHTS DOWN, ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL DISCONNECTED FROM THE BUILDING SO THEY CAN REMOVE IT SAFELY.
WE HAD BEEN IN A PROCESS OF REPLACING OUR DISC GOLF T-SANS.
IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN THIS WAS INSTALLED, IT WAS A EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT TO COME OUT AND INSTALL T-SANS FOR ALL OUR HOLD, WHICH WAS PLAN ON BEING TEMPORARY WHILE THE WEATHER'S TAKEN ITS TOLL ON THEM SO WE WENT AHEAD AND ORDERED NEW T-SANS AND TALK TO THE COMPANY TODAY THAT WE ARE GOING FROM DISC GOLF ASSOCIATION AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED THAT THE SANDS FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THEM IN THE FRAMES AND ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEY'LL BE SHIPPING THEM TO US, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THEM WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
THE BGP, IF YOU ARE REMEMBER, WE HAD RECEIVED CALLS, SO RESURFACING THE PAVILION CONCRETE FLOOR OUT THERE TO KEEP IT FROM BEING SO SLIPPERY.
WE PICKED A VENDOR TO COME OUT AND DO CONCRETE ETCHING ON THE FLOOR, BUT THAT FELL THROUGH WITH SOME CONTRACT AGREEMENT ISSUES.
WE WENT WITH OUR SECOND CHOICE, WHICH IS CLASSIC SPORTS.
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN THERE AND LAY THE SURFACE ON THERE.
IT'S SIMILAR TO A TENNIS COURT SERVICE, AND SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT END OF NOVEMBER GETTING THAT INSTALLED.
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>> YOU ARE RIGHT, THAT WAS AWESOME [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT WAS ONE OF THE ABLC PROJECTS TOO.
>> I WAS THINKING THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH DETAIL IN SOMETHING AND THE OLDER I GET, THE MORE I CAN'T KEEP IT UP THERE.
>> WE INSTALLED WHEEL STOPS OUT THE BGP PARKING LOT, THAT WAS COMPLETED.
PLAYGROUNDS, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING GOOD, GETTING THAT FINALIZED FOR INSTALLATION.
SHE'D BE WORKED UP WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND FINALLY CAME UP WITH A FINAL FIGURE ON THAT.
HOPEFULLY, WE CAN GET THAT STARTED SHIPPING AND PROBABLY WILL BE AN ISSUE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, BUT HOPEFULLY, IT WILL GET CORRECTED BY THE END.
THE STAFF REPLACED EIGHT PARKING LOT LIGHTS, BASICALLY JUST THE BULBS.
REPLACE 14 PLAYGROUND BORDERS.
WE'VE SUBMITTED THE PO, THEY HAD TO PAY HALF DOWN ON OUR SOLAR LIGHTS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT ON THE TRAIL.
THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD BE GETTING THAT CHECK AND ONCE HE GETS THE CHECK AND HE'LL GET THOSE ORDER.
I ANTICIPATE SHIPPING ISSUE WITH THOSE BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTS COME FROM CHINA SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME.
WELL, WE'RE GETTING STARTED EARLY ON.
LAST THIS PAST YEAR, WE WOULDN'T PLACE THE ORDER TILL FEBRUARY SO THIS YEAR, WE'RE GET STARTED ALREADY.
IT MAY BE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY BEFORE WE SEE ANYTHING.
YOU SAID IT WAS THE SAME SURFACES AT TENNIS COURT.
IS IT GOING TO BE A COLOR OR WHAT COLOR IS IT GOING TO BE?
>> WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH GRAY.
>> GRAY IS A GOOD COLOR FOR CONCRETE.
>> AS YOU KNOW WHAT SPARK IS BEING USED AS THE STAGING FOR DEBRIS FROM NICHOLAS, WE'RE IN A PROCESS OF GETTING THAT REMOVED.
I THINK THE DEAL IS WE GOING TO HAVE TO BURN IT SO THEY WILL HAVE TO GET RID OF THE ASH.
GLAND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH JEFF AND MY CELL PHONE DEALING WITH THAT STAFF.
THIS PAST SEPTEMBER, THEY SUPPORTED MARKET DAYS AND CHRISTMAS IN THE PARK.
HE DID SET UP FOR MARKET DAYS.
SAME THING THIS COMING NOVEMBER, WE'LL SET UP THE WORK MARKET DAYS IN THE FALL, CLEANUP, AND ALSO THE HARDER CHRISTMAS.
>> MEGAWATTS TO DO THE LAKESIDE PARK UPDATE.
>> WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT SIGNED BY ALL PARTIES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONTRACTORS BEGIN AND PULLING PERMITS ON OCTOBER 11TH.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT YET DONE A GROUNDBREAKING.
WE HAVE SOLIDIFIED SOME DATES, WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM TVW, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOVEMBER 2ND AT 5 PM TO DO A GROUNDBREAKING, WHICH OF COURSE YOU ALL WILL BE INVITED TO.
WE WILL MAKE SURE TO INFORM THE FACTS AND OF COURSE THE LOCAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ONCE WE HAVE SOLIDIFIED THAT, SO BE LOOKING FOR AN INVITATION HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK.
THE OTHER UPDATE THAT WE HAD WITH FREEDOM PARK IS THAT STAFF IS WORKING WITH COSTELLO ENGINEERING AND CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT REGARDING THE TREE SURVEY AND MITIGATION, AND EXCAVATION LIKELY WON'T BEGIN UNTIL MID-JANUARY.
WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES HERE THIS EVENING, WE DID RECEIVE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CAPACITY OF THE POND, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND TREE PRESERVATION SO WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> STEWART CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING? I NOTICED DICKEY PARKS SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF PONDING.
IS THERE PLANS TO EITHER PUT IN SOME FILL OR PUT IN DRAINAGE TO KEEP IT FROM BEING A [INAUDIBLE] BOTH SIDES OF STANDING WATER EVERYWHERE?
>> YES, SIR. WELL, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY BUILT THE NEW PLAYGROUND THEY HAD TO DIG A PIT BECAUSE THE BORDER FOR THE AGENT OR WOOD FIBER WAS GOING TO BE LEVEL WITH THE GROUND SO THEY HAD TO DIG.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THAT DIRT, SPREAD IT OUT IN SOME OF THOSE SPOTS AND THEN ONCE WE FINALLY GET COMPLETED ON THE NEW VOLLEYBALL COURT, THE DIRT WE PULL OUT OF THERE WE'RE GOING TO SPREAD OUT IN DICKEY PARK, TRY TO FILL IN SOME OF THOSE LOW SPOTS DOWN.
I MEAN, THERE'S QUITE A FEW IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF DIRT.
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>> I KNOW THAT INTERFERED WITH THE [INAUDIBLE], THEY DON'T PLAY [INAUDIBLE].
THEY DON'T REALLY COMPLAIN TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.
THEY HAVE AN APP WHERE THEY USE WHEN THEY PLAY TO DO THEIR SCORES OR STUFF AND THEY COMMENT ON THE COURSE AND STUFF.
I GO IN THERE AND CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES AND SOMEBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS, SOMETHING HAPPENED OR WHATEVER TO, AND THEY DON'T REALLY COMPLAIN TOO MUCH ABOUT THE WATER SO MUCH AS THEY DO THE MOSQUITOES.
[NOISE] IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'LL PLAY THROUGH ANYTHING REALLY.
AFTER THE STORM, THEY WERE OUT THERE PLAYING WITH BRUSH ALL OVER THE GROUND.
>> AS FAR AS [INAUDIBLE] IN THE FIELDS DO WE HAVE A PLAN? WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR RAISING SOME FIELDS OR IS THERE ANY PLAN MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING SOME OF THOSE FIELDS RAISED SO THEY DON'T FLOOD?
>> YES. WE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO DO ONE FIELD THIS YEAR TO GET IT SLOPE CORRECTLY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DUSTIN AND I TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WAS, ONCE WE DO THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IF WE DO ONE FIELD THAT WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM.
I GOT WHAT BAKER LOSS AND THEY DID A DRAINAGE SURVEY IN 2002 AND SO I THINK MEGAN SENT THAT TO THE CITY ENGINEER TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE NEED TO REDO THAT AND DO WE NEED TO DO ANY UPGRADE DRAINAGE OUT THERE? IF WE'RE GOING TO START SLOPING THESE FIELDS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET THE WATER OFF.
GOING OUT THERE AFTER A RAIN, MOST OF THE WATER, AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE MAP, EVERYTHING FLOWS SOUTH, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET ALL THAT RAIN, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY IS JUST LIKE A LAKE.
YOU HAD THAT DITCH RUNNING IN BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING LOTS, TO ME THAT'S WHERE THE BACKUP IS, EITHER CULVERT SIZE, IS TOO SMALL, THE DITCH IS TOO SMALL, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE BACKUP.
>> THE LAST ONE. I DROVE OUT THERE DURING A RAIN EVENT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THEN WHILE THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ROAD, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT CULVERTS SOMEWHERE BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY BLACKED UP SAND SO THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON BLACK TOP AND THE ROAD, THEY'RE WORKING ON BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO PUT UPSIDES CULVERTS BEFORE THE ROAD GETS FINISHED SURFACE ON IT.
>> WELL, THE ROAD THEY'RE REDOING, I THINK EVERYTHING DRAINS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE FIELDS TO THAT AREA IS WHERE YOU SEE THE PROBLEM?
>> RIGHT. ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE FIELD, THERE'S A DITCH THAT RUNS IN-BETWEEN THE ACTUAL FENCE AND THAT MOUND, AND THAT DITCH RUNS EAST.
THE CURVED ROAD THAT COMES IN, IT DRAINS OUT THAT DIRECTION.
>> WE DID THAT PART A LONG TIME AGO, WE HAD PUT IN A GRAVEL SURFACE AROUND IT FOR WALKING TRAIL AND I THINK YOU ALL THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A RESTRICTION AT ONE POINT.
BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE WEST BOUNDARY ALONG THAT FENCE, I THINK IT CIRCLED ALL THE WAY AROUND.
DID YOU EVER LOCATE THAT TO SEE IF [OVERLAPPING]?
>> I DIDN'T LOOK FOR THAT AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE SHAPE OF ANY ELEVATION CHANGE FROM THE FIELD TO ANYWHERE ALONG THE FENCE.
TO ME EVEN IF IT WENT AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE FENCE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE UNLESS IT CAME ALONG THAT SOUTH FENCE LINE.
BUT I DON'T SEE ANY ELEVATION CHANGE WHERE A TRAIL WAS AT OR ANYTHING.
>> IT'S JUST THAT THE REASON I WAS COMMENTING ABOUT IT THAT WHEN WE MEET WITH THOSE ASSOCIATIONS, THAT'S THE SOCCER'S NUMBER 1 CONCERN.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY HAVE THERE TOURNAMENTS AND WITH THE RANGE WHICH HAS BEEN A WET SUMMER, THEY SOMETIMES HAD TO CANCEL BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] [BACKGROUND]
>> WE WERE TODAY OUT THERE AND IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO AND A HALF WEEKS, AND YOU CAN STILL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF OUR TRACKS SO IT'S STILL WET OUT THERE.
BUT ACTUALLY, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO MOW THE FIELD ITSELF, IT'S JUST IN-BETWEEN THE FIELDS, YOU CAN WALK OUT THERE FOR FOUR DAYS AFTER RAIN AND STILL STAND IN WATER.
>> DO WE EVER LOOK AT USING A FRENCH DRAIN TO REDIRECT THE DRAINAGE IN-BETWEEN THE FIELDS TO TAKE IT OUT TO THE DITCH?
>> I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE FASTEST WAYS TO GET IT OFF.
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>> BUT YOU GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT.
YOU DUMP IT IN ONE OF THE DITCHES, YOU'RE STILL NOT.
>> BECAUSE THE DITCH APPEARS TO BE OVER ITS CAPACITY ALREADY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE [OVERLAPPING].
IT GETS TO THE HIGHWAY 288 AND IT FLOWS SOUTH ALONG THE HIGHWAY 288 AND WHEN YOU COME OUT THE ROAD, TAKE A RIGHT THAT'S WHERE THE WATER FLOWS BUT THAT DITCH ALONG THE HIGHWAY HAS TREES AND IT HAS OTHER STUFF.
TEXT DOT PROBABLY BE DIFFICULT TO CLEAN THAT DITCH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD.
BECAUSE THEY WAS FOLLOWING WHEN I LOOKED AT ONE DAY AT THE RUNNING A BIT, IT'S LIKE, INTERNAL DITCH WAS SLOW AND PRETTY WELL, BUT WHEN IT GOT TO THE DITCH ALONG THE FEEDER STREET AND THEN DOWN PAST WITH FEEDER STREET TOWARD IT'S TURN, IT WAS MOVING PRETTY SLOW.
>> THERE'S A [INAUDIBLE] CULVERT ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIG OAK TREE IS? I GUESS I'M ASSUMING THAT CULVERT IS COMING TOWARD THE FIELDS TOO THAT SPILLS INTO THAT DITCH.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A LOT OF WATER TO GET RID OF AND TO ME, THE CAPACITY TO GET RID OF IT IS TOO SMALL, TOO SLOW.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT AREA NOTHING DRAINS DOWN THERE, WHETHER IT'S A HIDDEN NOTE NEXT TO US, HAS NO WHERE TO GO.
BECAUSE YOU GET SOMEBODY WANTS TO FALL TO THE WEST, BUT WE HAVE PROTECTION LEVEE. [BACKGROUND]
>> WE DID SUBMIT IT TO THE SENIOR ENGINEERS, SO THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT, TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RE-ADDRESS.
GO OUT THERE AND GET SOME NEW ELEVATION SHOTS.
IN THE LONG-TERM, I THINK WE SHOULD COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE OUT THERE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT.
BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE A PLAN, FAB 10-YEAR PLAN AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS IT. I THINK THAT WOULD [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT OUT OF THERE IS TO RAISE A FILM SO THAT'S A FURROW, OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST GOING TO POND ON THE SOUTHWEST, WHICH TAKE A LOT OF DUST.
>> WELL, IF YOU DIG DEEPER DITCH AND TURN AWAY WHEN YOU GET TO THE SHOULDER OF THE [INAUDIBLE], IF THAT DITCH DIDN'T GET DEEP, IT HAS TO GO [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF THERE'S [INAUDIBLE], IT'S DOMINO FAILURE.
>> IT HAS TO FALL AND THEY DON'T GET TO THERE THEN HAS THE WORD AGO.
IT'S JUST THE PROBLEM WITH THAT AREAS REALLY FLED.
>> THANKS STEWART. ITEM NUMBER 9,
[9. Discussion and possible action on the proposed preliminary design services from Burditt Consultant LLC for Freedom Park and authorize the City Manager to execute the document upon legal review.]
DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSE PRELIMINARY DESIGN SERVICES FROM BURDITT CONSULTANT LLC FOR FREEDOM PARK AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT AFTER LEGAL REVIEW.>> THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE BUDGETED FOR IN AVLC FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
I PROVIDED THE FUND AND THE LINE ITEM THAT WE BUDGETED IN.
AFTER CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE FINAL FREEDOM PARKS MASTER PLAN ON JULY 27TH, 2021, STAFF REQUESTED A PROPOSAL FROM BURDITT CONSULTANTS, LLC FOR DESIGN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
DUE TO BUDGET DEADLINES, STUFF ESTIMATED COST TO BE APPROXIMATELY 400,000 AND SUBMITTED THIS NUMBER FOR THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 21-22 BUDGET.
A PROPOSAL FOR PRELIMINARY DESIGN SERVICES WAS PROVIDED ON AUGUST 23RD, 2021, ISN'T ENCLOSED, AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT AVLC APPROVE THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY DESIGN SERVICES FOR FREEDOM PART FROM BURDITT CONSULTANTS, LLC, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT AFTER LEGAL REVIEW.
[BACKGROUND] BUT WHILE WE DID BUDGET THAT AMOUNT, WE DO HAVE THE FUNDS REQUESTED IS QUITE A BIT LOWER.
>> WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BUDGET FOR 21-22?
>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DIDN'T HAVE MANY CHANGES FROM WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU ALL, I BELIEVE IN JUNE OF 2021, WHILE YOU ALL DID NOT APPROVE THE BUDGET, CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE IT.
YOU ALL DID NOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A QUORUM FOR THE LAST MEETING.
IT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
>> MY CONCERN IS, 400,000 IS THAT COMING OUT OF OUR FUND BALANCE?
>> IT IS. THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU ALL AS A PRELIMINARY DRAFT AND THERE WERE NO COMMENTS MADE AT THAT MEETING IN JUNE.
>> THE FUND BALANCE ISN'T AS GOOD A SHAPE AS IT COULD BE.
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WHEN WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT OUR PRIORITY BEING SOUTHSIDE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S LACKING.I PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE THINKING ABOUT SPENDING, WHETHER IT'S A THREE MILLION OR THE 6.6 MILLION [INAUDIBLE] THE COURSE OF FIVE MILLION IN OUR NEWEST PARK.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT STOMACH TO PUT THAT MUCH MONEY THERE WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER PLACES LACKING, I GUESS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REST OF THEM BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR THEIR COMMENTS.
>> HONESTLY, I KEEP A COPY OF EVERYTHING AND I'M TRYING TO FIND THE BUDGET REQUEST.
>> I THINK WHEN CHRIS HERE WAS TALKING ABOUT THESE FUNDS AND WHILE IT COULD COME FROM FUND BALANCE, HE ALSO BELIEVES THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN SALES TAX.
IT WOULD COVER THE COST OF THIS PROJECT EXPENDITURE, BUT IT WAS BUDGETED FOR THE LINE ITEMS SPECIFIED.
IF YOU WANT TO CHANNEL ON THAT AGENDA TAB, YOU CAN GO BACK ON A TABLET.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THAT PACKET WHERE IT WAS ENCLOSED.
>> I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM MEGAN.
NORMALLY, I'M EXTREMELY DETAILED ON FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND WHAT I'VE GOT HERE IS DEALING WITH LAKESIDE.
WE MUST HAVE TALKED ABOUT LAKESIDE AT THAT MEETING, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T HAVE THAT IN MY HEAD, AND I APOLOGIZE IF IT WAS DISCUSSED IN DETAIL, AND I DON'T SEE IT.
BUT YOU SAID I CAN ACTUALLY GO ON THE TABLET HERE, MEGAN?
>> OKAY. HELP ME OUT, OR I MIGHT NEED FRANCES, SHE'S THE EXPERT HERE.
>> OUR AUGUST MEETING WAS CANCELED DUE TO LACK OF QUORUM, BUT IF YOU GO BACK.
>> WELL, I ACTUALLY FOUND THE PREVIOUS, I BROUGHT THE ONE THAT GOT CANCELED WITH ME. WOULD IT BE IN HERE?
BECAUSE I HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM MY [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. I HAVE A COVERING WHILE SHE'S LOOKING FOR THE INFORMATION.
THE $6 MILLION THAT SEEMED LIKE THEY BLEW UP, THAT'S A BIT.
>> ARE WE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PROPOSAL OR JUST THE DESIGNED DEVELOPMENTS SERVICES.
DESIGNED DEVELOPMENTS SERVICES ARE AROUND 320 WHICH IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID WITH LAKESIDE.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE WE BUDGETED FOR 400,000. YES.
>> I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, COULD'VE BEEN INCREASED ABOUT SOUTHSIDE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT JUST LOOKING AT ANGLETON AS A WHOLE, THAT WE DON'T OVERLOOK AN AREA.
BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LAKESIDE PARK IS COMING, WHICH IS GREAT.
FREEDOM PARK, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT.
TO EXPAND THAT AREA I THINK IS EXCELLENT, BUT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU RUN ACROSS ANGLETON AND YOU SEE SOUTHSIDE, THAT AREA IS ALMOST LIKE A FORGOTTEN AREA.
ANYTHING THAT CAN JUST GO AND FINANCIALLY HELP THAT AREA, I'M ALL FOR THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK WITH THE EARLIER MOTION TO PURSUE THE NEXT BOND ISSUANCE FOR SOUTHSIDE, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT.
ALL OF OUR PROGRAMMING WITH WHATEVER FIRM WE SELECT, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND EVEN INTO CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL HELP FUND ALL OF THOSE PHASES FOR SOUTHSIDE PARK.
I THINK YOU COULD DO BOTH IS ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AND MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND WITH THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED.
>> THIS WOULDN'T TAKE AWAY ANY PROPENSITY OF HAVING SOUTHSIDE ELEVATED.
>> LETS SAY WE WANT TO DO AN EPIC SPLASH PAD OR SOME OTHER AMENITIES AROUND THE WRECK CENTER, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT PUSHES IT BACK IN A DISTANCE?
>> WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CIP SCHEDULE, EVEN WITH THE WRECK AMENITIES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PRIORITY UNLESS YOU ALL PRIORITIZED IT AS THE SECOND PRIORITY.
THERE'S SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT I BELIEVE COME BEFORE ADDRESSING.
>> WHAT I ACTUALLY DID WAS INVOLVED NOT PRIORITIZING.
LIKE I SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM LAST TIME, SO WE DIDN'T GET INVOLVED IN THE PRIORITY.
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>> AGAIN, THE PRIORITIES ARE BASED OFF OF OUR MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN, SO THERE WAS SHORT-TERM, MID-TERM, LONG-TERM. AGAIN, IT WAS NOTHING.
STAFF COLLECTIVELY CAME TOGETHER AND SAID THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THE PRIORITIES TO BE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT WE ALL AS A GROUP OF PARKS BOARD, ABLC AND CITY COUNCIL ADDRESSED AS OUR MASTER AND STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES, AND SO THOSE ARE HOW THOSE CAME INTO PRIORITIZATION.
>> OKAY, I MISSED THAT PART, BUT I FOUND WHAT THIS IS IN HERE.
MEGAN, WHAT'S ON HERE HAS 617,741, SO PART OF THIS 617,741 IS FOR DESIGN.
I'M SORRY, THIS IS PRELIMINARY DESIGN WORK FOR FREEDOM PARK, BUT I GUESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE TOO.
>> RIGHT. WE HAD ALSO DISCUSSED WORKING ON WELSH DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN A RECENT PARKS BOARD MEETING, AGAIN, AN ITEM THAT WOULD HAVE COME TO ABLC BUT WAS ACTED ON AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS TO GO OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO DEVELOP WELSH PARK.
RATHER THAN SPENDING OUR FUNDS ON DOING CONCEPT PLANNING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BEFORE WE TAKE THAT STEP, WE'RE GOING TO FIRST SEE IF THERE MIGHT BE ANY PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT MIGHT WANT TO DEVELOP THAT SITE FOR THE CITY AND BE IN CONTRACT WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP WELSH PARK.
>> YOU ALSO HAD ADA TRANSITION PLAN.
>> RIGHT. I REMEMBER US TALKING IN DETAIL ABOUT ADA, WHICH ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS A PRELIMINARY BUDGET.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON HERE AND THAT'S IT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, MAN, I DON'T REMEMBER APPROVING A BUDGET, BUT YOU SAID CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS BUDGET?
>> RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE WAS A LACK OF QUORUM IN AUGUST AND ABLC DID NOT MEET, SO THE BUDGET THEN GOES TO CITY COUNCIL TO BE ADOPTED.
>> WITHOUT OUR COMMENT? I'M JUST ASKING PROCEDURALLY, I HAD NO IDEA.
>> I AGREE. WE WOULDN'T APPROVE THAT MUCH.
>> YEAH. THEY APPROVE OUR BUDGET AND WE DON'T GET TO HAVE ANY SAY IN IT? I REALIZED, I'M JUST ASKING YOU THE QUESTION, MEGAN.
NEIGHBOR, I'M JUST ASKING YOU THE QUESTION.
I'M SHOCKED ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM AND I WAS PREPARED TO BE HERE.
I HEARD SOME NOISE, BUT YOU GOT TO HAVE A QUORUM TO MEET.
THEY APPROVE IT WITHOUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE ANY INPUT?
>> WELL, AGAIN, WE DID BRING THE DRAFT FOR INPUT IN JUNE. THIS WAS PRIOR IN JUNE.
I GOT IT RIGHT HERE, I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS.
WE SAW MY QUESTIONS ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS EARLIER, SO I HEAR YOU, BUT IT WAS VERY PRELIMINARY.
THERE WAS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME SPENT ON IT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT IT.
THAT'S WHAT I RECALL, MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU RECALL.
>> RIGHT. TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ADJUST THIS PROCESS, BUT WE BRING TO YOU A PRELIMINARY BUDGETS FOR COMMENT AND REVIEW SO THAT BY THE NEXT MEETING WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN AUGUST, THAT IS AN APPROVAL FOR THE BUDGET.
WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BASED OFF THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVE WHEN WE PROVIDE THE DRAFT BUDGET FOR YOU.
BUT IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO MEET IN THE FUTURE AND HAVE THAT BUDGET, SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO STAFF-WISE IS WE START WORKING ON CAPITAL PROJECTS IN JANUARY.
WE START WORKING ON PRELIMINARY BUDGET IN FEBRUARY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DRAFT IN MARCH.
THAT REALLY PUSHES OUR TIMELINE BACK.
WE DON'T HAVE FIRM NUMBERS, THAT'S HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR, WE DON'T HAVE ESTIMATES.
WE DON'T HAVE REALISTIC ESTIMATES.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OUR RACK SEASON, PEAK SEASON SUMMER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF VAGUE NUMBERS ESTIMATES THAT GO INTO THAT BUDGET EVEN WHEN WE PRESENTED TO YOU IN JUNE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT US TO, WE CAN START THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS EARLY AS MARCH AND WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY SO THAT WE MAKE SURE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS ARE CAPTURED.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE LOVELY.
I REMEMBERED WHEN I WAS TALKING TO CHRIS AT SOME POINT AND I SAID IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE.
THIS PART IS IN THE MINUTES RECORDING SOMEPLACE, IS IF WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP.
BUT HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS WE CANNOT ACT ON THIS.
I WASN'T PREPARED TO HAVE OUR BUDGET ALREADY APPROVED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, QUITE FRANKLY.
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>> BUT ONE OTHER THINGS, I THINK, THAT WE'VE GOT INTO.
THIS BOARD LAST YEAR, WE DIDN'T HAVE IN OUR MIND SPENDING THREE MILLION, SIX MILLION, WHATEVER, FOR THAT PART, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A TRIAL OUT IN THE NEW SECTION, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SO MANY THINGS.
YOU WERE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, [INAUDIBLE] ALL THOSE THINGS WE DID IN THE NEW SECTION OF THE PARK, BUT NONE OF IT WAS LOOKING TO SPEND THREE MILLION OR SIX MILLION.
IT WAS OUT THERE ALL OF A SUDDEN.
WE DIDN'T COMMISSION THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARK, IT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
BUT I THINK WHEN THE MASTER PLAN CAME TO BE INVERTED, DID A GOOD JOB ON IT.
WE SAW THIS BIG SHINY OBJECT, BUT IT WASN'T SOMETHING WE WERE PREPARED AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS NEVER REALLY IN OUR SHORT-TERM PLANS.
IT BECAME THAT WAY BECAUSE MASTER PLANNING GOT CREATED, AND THEN HERE IT IS, THREE MILLION OR 6.6 MILLION, WHATEVER IT WILL BE, AND EVERYBODY PLAYED THE GAMES, WE PLAYED THE ROLES, WE WENT THROUGH WITH IT.
BUT I THINK A YEAR AGO, IF YOU WOULD ASK, "OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THREE MILLION ON SOUTHSIDE WHICH IS A PRIORITY." THIS IS NOT PRIORITY AT ANY MEANS.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE THINGS AROUND THE REC CENTER, SPEND ANOTHER COUPLE OF MILLION THERE, THEN WE WANT TO SPEND THREE OR SIX MILLION HERE.
I THINK WE SAID, WELL, LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY.
WE DON'T WANT TO PUT OURSELVES BEHIND.
THINGS COULD HAPPEN AT THE REC CENTER, WE'LL HAVE TO FUND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION FOR AIR CONDITION, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
I'M JUST UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE THIS WAS NEVER IN OUR PLANS, IN MY MEMORY ANYWAY.
>> WELL, I DO KNOW THAT WHEN I CAME ON BOARD THREE YEARS AGO, REVISING AND UPDATING THE FREEDOM MASTER PLAN WAS A TASK THAT I WAS GIVEN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
I KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AS A BOARD, AND ALSO PARKS BOARD, THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PUSH SINCE I'VE BEEN ON BOARD.
I DO KNOW THAT THAT WAS APPARENT.
I KNOW ALSO THE MENTION OF COMPLETING PARKS IS A HUGE ITEM FOR NOT ONLY CITY COUNCIL BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN MENTIONED HERE AT THIS BOARD, AND BECAUSE THE PLAN THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY THAT INCLUDED THINGS LIKE MENTION OF AN AMPITHEATER, VOLLEYBALL COURTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE HAD TO UPDATE.
IT WAS PRUDENT FOR US TO UPDATE.
I THINK WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE TASKS THAT WE'RE GIVEN, WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT DIRECTION.
WHILE IT MAY BE A SURPRISE, THE STICKER PRICE IS TYPICALLY A SHOCK, [LAUGHTER] BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT WITH ANY OF OUR PARK DEVELOPMENTS, AND WE FOLLOWED THE PROTOCOL OF ENGAGING OUR COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, AND I THINK WE DID A GREAT JOB DOING THAT.
WHILE IT MAY NOT BE A PRIORITY, THAT'S CERTAINLY FINE, WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.
SO GOING BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM, IF YOU WISH NOT TO PROCEED, WE CAN FREE UP SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO WORK ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU THINK ARE MORE PRESSING.
>> MAY I ASK ONE QUESTION PROCESS-WISE? OKAY. MAINLY, WHEN I SAW THE $400,000, I WAS LIKE, "WOW, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY WITH WHAT I HAD IN MY HEAD." THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LIST, AND I APOLOGIZE IF ANY OF THIS WAS ANSWERED A MOMENT AGO WHEN I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE BUDGET, WE MOVE FROM ONE FIELD TO THREE FIELDS.
HOW DID WE GO FROM ONE FIELD TO THREE FIELDS WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH THE FINAL LISTING HERE? BECAUSE I DID BRING WHAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING.
I'M OKAY NOT HAVING THE AMPHITHEATER, THAT'S A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
THEY WERE GOING, "OKAY, WE HAVE THE BIG FIELD," BUT IN THE FINAL LIST, IT'S TWO 200 FOOT FIELDS AND ONE 325 FOOT FIELD, AND I WAS LIKE, THAT WAS NEVER EVEN DISCUSSED AT OUR MEETING.
>> IT WAS DISCUSSED AS AN OPTION.
CITY COUNCIL, ABLC, AND THE PARKS BOARD WERE PRESENTED WITH OPTIONS, FINAL OPTIONS.
WHEN CITY COUNCIL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE DECISION, WHICH THEY DID MAKE ON JULY 27TH, THEY OPTED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND TO TWO ADDITIONAL 200 FOOT FIELDS.
THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY FELT WAS PRESSING AT THIS TIME, BUT TO LEAVE THAT SPACE OPEN SO THAT IF THEY COULD DEVELOP IT, THAT WAS AN OPTION LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON IT GOT SO BIG, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON ALL OF THIS IS A PERCENTAGE OF A NUMBER.
>> AS YOU KEEP RAISING THE NUMBER, IT MAKES THE DESIGN MORE EXPENSIVE.
>> IN MY MATHEMATICAL CPA MIND, THAT WAS THE DIFFICULTY WE GOT WITH LAKESIDE.
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IT WAS STARTED OUT AT A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WE'RE LIKE, "WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS." THEN IT WAS A LITTLE AGONIZING FOR EVERYBODY ON ALL THE COMMITTEES TO THEN GO, "OKAY, LET'S SQUISH IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT." I'M JUST SAYING, WHY HAVE WE MADE IT BIGGER? DID CITY COUNCIL, WHEN THEY DECIDED TO DO THAT, WAS THERE ANY DISCLOSURE TO THEM THAT EVERY TIME YOU KEEP ADDING ALL THIS STUFF, THEN THE NUMBER KEEPS GETTING BIGGER?>> WELL, YES, THEY HAD THE ESTIMATED PROBABLE COSTS FOR THAT OPTION.
>> AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT WITH BOTH OF THOSE FINAL CONCEPT PLANS, THEY WERE BOTH PRESENTED WITH EACH OF THE ESTIMATED PROBABLE COSTS.
>> I THINK, AGAIN, IT WAS KNOWING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTRACT THIS ALL AT ONE TIME.
>> I THINK MY OPINION MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM YOU-ALLS, BUT I HAVE BEEN ON BOARD NOT FOR VERY LONG AND MY VERY FIRST ABLC MEETING WAS TALKING ABOUT FREEDOM PARK, WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE EXPANSION OF FREEDOM PARK, SO THAT'S ALL I'VE KNOWN AND WE'VE ATTENDED SEVERAL MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE HAD REPRESENTATIONS, WE'VE AGONIZED OVER MAKING DECISIONS.
I APPRECIATE THAT THE FUNDS REQUESTED ARE LESS THAN THE BUDGETED AMOUNT.
I HAVE BEEN STRUCK WITH MY TIME HERE AND MY TIME ON PLANNING AND ZONING, AT HOW MUCH IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES IN TERMS OF THE CITY GROWING AND THESE PEOPLE MAKING PLANS, UPDATING STANDARDS, THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE TALKED TO SOMEBODY AND SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING AND SOMEBODY KNEW SOMEBODY.
I TRUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE IF MEGAN SAYS THAT, "HEY, WE APPROVE THIS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN," I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS GOT TO GO BACK TAKING CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
IF WE COULDN'T MAKE A QUORUM, THE CITY HAS GOT TO GO BACK STILL DOING THINGS.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF WHILE WE'RE ADJUSTING, LET'S INFORM US WAY EARLIER THAN A SKELETON BUDGET MEETING THAT IF WE MISS THE NEXT MEETING, DUDE, NO FAULT ON ANYBODY'S.
LIFE HAPPENS AND YOU CAN'T ALWAYS MAKE EVERY MEETING.
THAT THEN WE'RE NOT STUCK WITH ALL OF A SUDDEN IN A POSITION.
GOING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE A PART OF THE MOTION.
WE ALL ARE IN 100 PERCENT AGREEMENT WITH THE SOUTHSIDE NEED TO BE TENDED TO.
I WILL BE DARN VOCAL AND DARN FRUSTRATED IF THIS PROJECT ENDS UP CUTTING INTO SOME OF THE SOUTH WINGS, BUT I AM WILLING TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY DESIGN SERVICES FROM BURNET CONSULTANTS LLC FOR THE FREEDOM PARK AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AFTER LEGAL REVIEW.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DOCUMENT IT, BUT OFFICIAL NOTICE THAT WE START THIS WHOLE PROCESS EARLIER.
>> ABSOLUTELY, I HAVE NOTED THAT.
>> SO WE DON'T END UP IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THIS MEETING TO APPROVE THE $400,000 PLAN FOR DESIGN SERVICES.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SECOND THAT?
>> YEAH. I'M SORRY. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG PAGE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> IS THERE MORE TIME FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS?
>> IT SOUNDS TO ME, WE'RE AN EVEN NUMBER HERE, AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE, WE ALL BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE THIS.
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I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ELSE.BUT I THINK I'M IN AGREEMENT AS WAS THIS IS SOMETHING GOOD.
THE ONLY THING IS WHEN THE MONEY IS INVOLVED, TO NOT EXCLUDE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY VITAL LIKE SOUTHSIDE AND TRUST THAT YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS THE MONEYS ARE CONCERNED.
I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY BE SOMEWHAT OF A SPLIT, AND BEING THAT THERE'S FOUR OF US, AND I DON'T THINK EVEN IF ONE PERSON MAKES THE MOTION AND TWO JUST DON'T AGREE, WE'RE GOING TO BE STALLED.
>> YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE MAKE THE VOTE. [LAUGHTER]
>> GUESS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
I ASKED FOR THE NUMBERS WHEN I STOOD AT THAT PODIUM AND MADE MY POINT TO SAY HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT ALL THIS IS GOING TO COST? I KNOW WELL ENOUGH HOW THE THING WORKS.
NEVER GIVEN LAST TIME WE HAD A MEETING WHERE THERE WAS PARKS, ABLC CITY COUNCIL HERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
BUT THE DIFFICULTY THAT I HAVE WITH WHERE WE ARE HERE IS, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO FINISH OUT FREEDOM PARK.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF THAT, BUT IT HAS GOTTEN SO EXPENSIVE.
I AM RELUCTANT TO COMMIT MONEY, WHEN EVEN IF I WERE TO COMMIT THIS, WE HAVE A MOTION, I'LL ACT WHEN I'M ASKED TO VOTE IF I VOTE.
IT IS HERE. THEY HAVE BEEN SO PROFESSIONAL WITH US.
I FEEL BADLY THAT IT'S LIKE WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY.
THIS HAS GOTTEN SO EXPENSIVE THAT I FEEL BADLY BECAUSE I FEEL IT'S PART OF OUR REPUTATION.
THEY HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY UNTIL I GET A NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, I'M RELUCTANT TO SAY, GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR DESIGN, BUT WE'RE THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE THE NEXT AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY TO BOND OUT.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CALCULATION WORKS, MEGAN.
THAT'S ME. I'M A PERSON OF CERTAINTY, NOT EVERYBODY IS LIKE ME.
I AM TORN HERE BECAUSE I WANTED FREEDOM PARK.
I HAD NO IDEA WE WERE GOING TO GET HERE.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT NUMBER BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT NUMBER.
BUT I ALSO FEEL AS A MATTER OF INTEGRITY AND TRANSPARENT WORKING WITH THEM, I'M IN A BIT OF A CONUNDRUM HERE, BECAUSE THEY'VE WORKED HARD FOR US.
I FEEL LIKE THE PROCESS HAS GOTTEN AWAY FROM ME AND CHRIS AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS PROCESS SINCE THIS BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED.
THE BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED BECAUSE THE CITIZENS WANTED SOMEBODY ELSE, NOT JUST CITY COUNCIL OVERSEEING THIS MONEY.
WE LOST THAT ABILITY WHEN THERE WASN'T A QUORUM AND THEN A BUDGET GOT PASSED THAT WE REALLY HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS, EVEN THOUGH I RECALL EXACTLY SAYING, "WE NEED A BUDGET WORKSHOP." HAVING SAID THAT, I FEEL VERY RELUCTANT TO SUPPORT 320 BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT 2.6.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT IS A DIFFERENT NUMBER.
>> CAN I RECOMMEND ALTERNATIVES OF THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS IS THE FULL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
ONE THING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER AND BRING BACK TO ABLC IN DECEMBER, IS TO REVISE SCOPE OF WORK THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO EXPAND ON ANYWAYS.
THAT MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE ITEMS THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE NORTHERN TRACK OR IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE RECREATIONAL TRAILS.
>> YOU SAID THE MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN ADOPTED, GIVE ME THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? NO, NO, NO. IT WASN'T THE FINAL PLAN THAT I SAW.
>> OH, WE DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT.
>> THE FINAL PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO ALL BOARDS AND IT WAS.
YES, WE DID HAVE THAT MEETING.
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>> YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING EITHER.
>> BUT COUNCIL WAS THE RESPONSIBLE BOARD TO TAKE ACTION.
>> OKAY. BUT I COULD GET A COPY OF IT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. [OVERLAPPING] IT'S ACTUALLY, ON OUR WEBSITE.
>> WELL, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD AND I WAS OUT FOR THIS BECAUSE I WANTED TO FINISH.
LIKE SHARON SAID, THIS BOARD DESIGNED, BUILT, AND FUNDED FREEDOM PARK AND WE WANT TO SEE IT FINISHED.
BUT THEN WHEN IT GOT DOWN TO NUMBERS, THAT WAS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN DOWN TO SO MUCH STUFF THAT'S GOING INTO THAT PARK.
YOU GO OUT THERE ON A SATURDAY, THE PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH IS FULL AND THE WEST IS FULL PARKING LOT TO THE NORTHEAST IS FULL.
I WAS THINKING IF WE HAD THIS LITTLE PAVILION FOR PARTIES, WE HAD THIS SPLASH PAD, WE PUT SO MUCH IN THERE, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR ANYBODY TO PARK EVEN WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE NEW- THEY'RE USING WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW PARKING LOT.
I GOT TOO WORRIED. HOW ARE WE GOING TO SERVICE ALL THAT IF PEOPLE CAN'T GET TO THE SPLASH PAD, CAN'T GET TO THESE OTHER ONES? I THINK WE'RE THROWING TOO MUCH ON ONE SPOT.
I KNOW WE TALKED TO THE BUILDING ASSOCIATION ABOUT THEIR NEEDS AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING ARE MORE OF WANTS THAN NEEDS.
I KNOW THEY'D LIKE A BIG BALL FIELD BUT IT'S NOT KEEPING THEM FROM PLAYING.
THE TWO FIELDS WERE SOMETHING TO HELP IN THE TOURNAMENTS, THEY DIDN'T LEAVE THOSE ACTUALLY TOO.
BUT LIKE SHARON SAID, WE ADMINISTER THE MONEY FOR OUR RESIDENTS, WERE NOT POLITICIANS THAT NORMALLY SIT HERE, WE HAVE TO- LAKESIDE PARK, GOT OUT OF HAND, OUR INITIAL PLANS FOR LAKESIDE WAS MUCH SMALLER.
THIS ONE SEEMS TO BE GETTING OUT OF HAND.
AS SHE SAID, WE'RE THE MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD VERSUS THE POLITICIANS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY.
BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE AND HOW MUCH MONEY IT'S GOING TO COST.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS DR. JACKSON'S COMMENT ABOUT SOUTHSIDE PARKS.
WE HAVE TAKEN TO THE PARKS BOARD.
REMEMBER, WAS IT THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR WE DEMOED THE OLD POOL? WE TOOK A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS ABOUT, DO WE JUST REDEVELOP THERE? DO WE SELL THAT LAND? DO WE THE [INAUDIBLE] CORNERS FOR CONSIDERATION.
WE'VE INVESTED TIME INTO FINDING A THIRD LOCATION.
ALL THOSE DECISIONS NEED TO BUBBLE UP FOR A DECISION TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
I GUESS MY COMMENT IS, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT HASTY TO SAY, LET'S THROW SOME MONEY AT SOUTHSIDE PARK UNTIL WE GET TO THAT.
IS IT GOING TO STAY IN THE SAME PLACE OR WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT AND WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE LAND, OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? THEN WE CAN SAY, WE'VE GOT FIVE ACRES, TWO ACRES, SEVEN ACRES, WHATEVER TO GO AND MASTER PLAN AFTER AND THEN BOND OUT FOR MONEY.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT'S JUST A PRIORITY, SO NOT NECESSARILY THROWING MONEY THERE BUT MAKING SURE MONEY IS AVAILABLE.
SO THAT AS WE DO THAT AS A PRIORITY AND IF WE SPEND THE MONEY ELSEWHERE, THEN THE MONEY IS NOT AVAILABLE.
>> BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN OTHER DISCUSSIONS.
>> THAT IS AN AGENDA TONIGHT TO DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR THE SOUTH SIDE.
>> BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CITY, POTENTIALLY THERE'S ANOTHER BOND NEXT YEAR AND SO DO WE ADD THINGS ONTO THAT? VETERANS PARK'S IN THE SAME POSITION.
WE'VE TAKEN DOWN IN THE OLD GAZEBO AND WE'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW TO RESHAPE THAT.
WHAT'S THE PARTY AND HAVE THEM GET UP TO THAT.
>> THE CITY COULD BOND AND PAY FOR THE FREEDOM PARK PLANTS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US?
>> THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE AND HOW DO WE GET AFTER THAT?
THE LAST ONE THAT I HAVE WAS JUNE, THE 22ND. WAS THAT THE FINAL?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK WE HAD ONE IN JULY.
FRANCES, ARE YOU ABLE TO? BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY FALL UNDER A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN AVLC AND THE PARKS BOARD ARE INVITED TO THOSE MEETINGS.
WE STILL CALL IT A JOINT MEETING.
IT TYPICALLY HAPPENS BEFORE THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING BEGINS.
BUT YOU CAN GO ON AND SEE THOSE VIRTUALLY.
EVERYTHING IS RECORDED EITHER ON FACEBOOK OR SWAGIT SO WE CAN GO BACK AND I CAN SEND YOU WHAT THAT LINK WAS AND THE ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN.
>> THE ONE THAT I HAD WAS WHEN WE WERE HERE AND I GOT UP AND I MADE MY CASE FOR THE EMPATHY EDITOR AND THAT'S OKAY.
MY BOYS PLAY BASEBALL AND I LOVE BASEBALL.
ANYWAY, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
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BUT WHEN WE DID THIS, I ASKED THE YOUNG LADY WHO'S THE HEAD AND I FORGET HER NAME.>> CLAUDIA. VERY METICULOUS YOUNG LADY.
I SAID, "DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE COST?" SHE SAID, "NOT YET, BUT WE'LL GET TO THERE." THAT HELPS ME BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE NOT MISSED A MEETING, EVEN THE ONES THAT GOT CANCELED, I WAS PREPARED TO COME.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT YOU WERE GOING TO SUGGEST AN ALTERNATIVE?
>> YES, THE ALTERNATIVE BEING THOSE AREAS THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE IS A NEED CURRENTLY, FOR INSTANCE, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE.
IF YOU ALL SAY THAT IT IS THE CASE, WE CAN GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
THE FIELDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING FOR THE 350-FOOT FIELD AND THE TWO SMALLER FIELDS.
TAKE THOSE OUT OF THE EQUATION, LOOK AT ONLY THE FAMILY ACTIVITY AREA AND THE NORTHERN TRACK.
THIS IS A PROPOSAL, THIS IS TO BE NEGOTIATED IF WE SO CHOOSE.
SO WHILE THIS IS IN FRONT OF YOU, THIS IS THE FULL SHEBANG.
IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE 320 FIGURE FOR THE ENTIRE PARK, WE CAN CONSIDER NEGOTIATING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION SO THAT WE'RE NOT BRINGING THIS BACK TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION IN A PROPOSAL IN DECEMBER.
YOU CAN MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION WHILE YOU DO STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
WE WILL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH BERTA AND BRING AN UPDATED PROPOSAL TO YOU IN DECEMBER FOR APPROVAL.
>> MEGAN, DO YOU KNOW HOW THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS IN HERE COST OUT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] I HAD PULLED UP THE AGENDA AND SO THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND REFERENCE ON JULY 27TH WAS A SPECIAL JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL ON THE MASTER PLAN.
>> I'M ALWAYS AFRAID TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL BREAK SOMETHING.
>> SOMETHING OF THE CONCERN IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN SPENT.
>> 27TH, CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL EVENT? I THINK SO. WAS IT THE SPECIAL? LET'S SEAT THIS. [BACKGROUND]
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT?
>> YES, I'M TRYING TO GET THAT PROBABLE COST FOR YOU SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA.
>> THE PURPOSE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR PERCENTAGE IS. IS IT 11?
>> EXCEPT WE, AT THIS POINT I THINK, AS I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE A MOTION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND YET.
BUT WE CAN ASK FOR A SECOND AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] WE CAN GO AFTER THAT.
>> WE DO HAVE A MOTIONAL FLOOR OF [INAUDIBLE] TO PROCEED WITH THE PRELIMINARY SCIENCE SERVICES FOR $320,512.50 WITH BURDEN CONSULTING.
DOESN'T APPEAR WE HAVE A SECOND, [OVERLAPPING] SO THAT MOTION FAILS.
>> IS IT LOADING FOR YOU SHORTLY?
>> IT IS. IT'S JUST COME UP. WHAT PAGE IS IT ON MEGAN? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST PAGE, DON'T SCROLL TOO QUICKLY.
>> [LAUGHTER] NOW I'M LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE WHEN IT SAYS FINAL MASTER PLAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PICTURE WITH ALL THOSE FIELDS.
IT'S GOT A PICTURE OF AN AMPHITHEATER.
>> THERE IS AN ALTERNATE FOR AN AMPHITHEATER OR SOMETHING ELSE.
>> I'M LOOKING AT IT. LAST PAGE, SORRY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY DESIGN SERVICES FOR A CONSULTANT FOR HOUSING.
>> IT'S KYLE'S FAULT. [BACKGROUND]
>> KYLE, YOU MADE ME CRASH IT HERE.
DARN. IT SAID WEBPAGE CRASHED.
[BACKGROUND] NOW LET ME GO BACK.
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>> ARE YOU ALL DONE DISCUSSING THIS SLIDE?
>> NO. [OVERLAPPING] I'M TRYING TO GET THERE, TRYING TO GET TO A NUMBER. [OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY.
>> WE VOTED AND WE TOOK ABOUT ANY OTHER SECOND SO THE PROPOSE DIED.
>> HANG ON. JUST IN CASE I DO IT AGAIN. [BACKGROUND]
>> READY TO LAY HERE A PROPOSAL FOR AN ALTERNATIVE.
>> WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE UP TO 300 AND WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS WITH SOME CAVEAT TO SAY WE PROPOSE [INAUDIBLE]
>> MAYBE IT'S NOT THE SPECIAL.
IT HAD PICTURES AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING BEYOND.
[OVERLAPPING] MAYBE IT'S THE DIFFERENT ONE.
>> I THINK CHRIS, THAT'S THE DIRECTION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. IT MAY JUST BE THAT BECAUSE THE FULL AMOUNT DIED ON THE FLOOR, THAT BECAUSE WE CANNOT PULL THIS UP.
CURRENTLY, WE JUST REVISE THE CONTRACT WITH A NOT-TO-EXCEED AMOUNT.
IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA IN YOUR HEAD OF WHAT THAT WOULD BE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE WILL TAKE BACK AND NEGOTIATE.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BASEBALL FIELD COSTS.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU CERTAINLY CAN IF YOU WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT AND SEE IF YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY OF ANGLES INSIDE.
>> YOU'RE ASKING FOR US TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> RIGHT. THAT'LL ALLOW US, THEN WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT DESIGN SERVICES WOULD FIT WITHIN THAT NUMBER.
>> IT CAN'T BE HARD TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> HE'S GOING TO TRY TO PULL IT UP ON THE WEBSITE FOR YOU.
>> CAN WE START THE MOTION FOR THAT, CAN WE [INAUDIBLE] .
PRESENT THING, REMEMBER THE COUNCIL ALREADY APPROVED IT.
>> RIGHT, JUST NOT THE DESIGN SERVICES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY APPROVED THE OVERALL CONCEPT PERTAINING MULTIPLE [INAUDIBLE].
AS LONG AS YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT AND THEN THERE CAN BE ANOTHER MEETING WHEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU CAN RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE.
>> THEY DID VOTE THAT DOWN, SO I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT WE DETERMINE THAT AT A LATER DATE AND BRING THAT BACK IN DECEMBER?
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE COUNCIL APPROVAL AND THEY WANT TO SEE THAT GET DONE.
IF YOU HAD TO PICK A NUMBER, SAY YOU DON'T HAVE IT FINALIZED BY
>> I THINK THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THEY WOULD BE FUNDING THE DESIGN.
>> IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE MOOT POINT IF WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING OTHERWISE SINCE THE COUNCIL ALREADY VOTED ON THIS.
>> THEY HAVE VOTED ON THE MASTER PLAN BASED ON INPUT PROVIDED BY PARKS BOARD AND ABLC.
>> THEY VOTED ON THE BUDGET TO ALLOW THAT AMOUNT TO BE.
>> HOW OR DO WE HAVE TO JUST VOTE ON APPROVING THE BUDGET AMOUNT FOR THE DESIGN?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY THAT AGAIN.
[LAUGHTER] I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALMOST A MOOT POINT FOR US TO ACT UPON THIS OR NOT ACT UPON THIS BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL ALREADY VOTED ON-
>> REALISTICALLY, WE ARE THE ONES WHO APPROVE THE FUNDS, SO WE DO HAVE SAY SO.
>> OR WE DO NOT APPROVE IT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN THE NEXT MEETING AND PROVIDE ONE CONDITION TOWARDS THE COUNCIL
>> BECAUSE A MOOT POINT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THE CHECK THE FINE COMES TO US SO WE HAVE TO PAY.
WE HAVE THE OPTION EITHER WAY, ITS JUST
>> THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED OUR BUDGET.
SO THE BUDGET'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
THE BUDGET AND THE AMOUNT IS FOR A $100,000.
>> CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE BIT?
>> THEY JUST HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO COME OUT AND PART FUNDS.
>> IT HAS BEEN APPROVED TO COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
>> IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TO COME OUT OF OUR BANK BALANCE.
>> YES THAT'S WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS AGREED ON.
>> RIGHT. THERE WERE NO ADJUSTMENTS OR REQUESTS MADE WHEN WE BROUGHT THE DRAFT, AND SO WHEN
>> THAT'S WHY WHAT WILLIAM'S SAYING IS A MOOT POINT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
>> SO THAT'S WHY I SAY GOING FORWARD, SO TODAY
>> THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING.
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>> SO WE DON'T REALLY MATTER WHEN WE SAVE, IS THAT TRUE?
>> THERE YOU GO. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE.
>> SO ALAN, THE CONVERSATION I'M HEARING OVER HERE, IT SAYS COUNCIL APPROVED IT.
IF WE DIDN'T, THEY COULD STILL USE ABLC FUNDS?
>> I GUESS THAT'S OUR QUESTION.
THERE'S NO SENSE IN BELABORING ANY THIS UNTIL WE KNOW THAT ANSWER.
>> BECAUSE SOUNDS LIKE ABLC SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH.
>> WHO DOES MANAGE THEIR BUDGET? WHILE I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION TO CHOOSE HOW THAT IS SPENT.
IF YOU HAVE DECIDED THAT WHILE IT WAS APPROVED IN THE BUDGET YOU DO NOT WANT TO SPEND THE FULL AMOUNT, THEN YOU SHOULD BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF SUCH.
>> I COULDN'T GET TO THAT PAGE.
THANK YOU KYLE FOR FINDING THAT.
I'D GET TO THE BOTTOM AND THEN I PRESSED IT.
>> RIGHT, AND THAT RECOMMENDATION BEFORE ANY ACTIONS TAKEN THAT WILL.
SURE. ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T KNOW.
AGAIN, I CAN'T BE CERTAIN WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY.
>> HEY, I'VE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME AND I PLAN TO BE HERE A LONG TIME AFTER THIS.
THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HELP US REALLY. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I AM, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED A BUDGET THING.
OKAY. THERE'S A LIST HERE, OKAY.
THERE LISTS WITHIN BARDET'S PROPOSAL, GOT TO A NUMBER.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL RELATED COSTS OF EACH ONE OF THE NINE ITEMS, OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT BREAKS APART.
ACTIVE RECREATION IS ACTIVE RECREATION, POSSIBLY THE BASEBALL. I DON'T KNOW.
>> NO, SCROLL OVER KYLE. IT'S HIGHLIGHTED.
NO, THE ACTUAL AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
IT'S COLOR, NO, YOUR BAR LINE.
YOU'VE EXPANDED THE PAGE, SO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE IS NOT SHOWN.
BUT AGAIN, LIKE CHRIS SAID, I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO BRING THIS BACK.
I CAN SEND OUT THE PROBABLE COSTS FOR EACH OF THE LOCATIONS WITH THE TWO FIELDS AND THEN WE CAN BRING THIS BACK IN DECEMBER AND YOU CAN PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM PROCEEDING.
IT'S THE SHEER AMOUNT AND FROM WHAT CHRIS HILL TOLD US EARLIER, WHY START DOWN THE PATH TO THEN HAVE TO REEL EVERYTHING BACK IN? I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE SOUTH BEFORE WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN THE SOUTH.
BUT THE SHEER MAGNITUDE OF IT CAUSES ME TO SAY THERE'S NO WAY FINANCIALLY THAT WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS AT THIS TIME AT THAT TOTAL SCOPE.
>> I AGREE WITH WHAT CHRIS SAID AS WELL.
I MEAN, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS FOR THE SOUTH, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT OVERLOOKED.
LIKE JORDAN MENTIONED EARLIER, IS JUST THE AMOUNT AND I THINK JUST A, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MISSED A PROCESS IN HOW THINGS WERE DONE.
SO I THINK IT'S THOSE WHO WERE OKAY WITH THE PROCESS, I THINK ALL OF US ARE GOING TO BE IN AGREEMENT.
>> WELL THAT AND THE 20 YEARS WE'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, SINCE ESSENTIALLY WHENEVER.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD, I GUESS, THE CITY APPROVE OUR BUDGET FOR US.
>> NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SEEING THE BACK-AND-FORTH HERE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AUTONOMY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WHICH I THINK THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED, WE DO.
THEY SIGN OFF BUT THERE'S A REASON WE'RE THE MAJORITY AND THEY'RE NOT.
SO THAT KIND OF PUZZLES ME AND
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SAID THAT.
>> NO. I KNOW, SORRY. THAT'S WHAT'S SAID IN CONVERSATION GOING ON.
IT HAS BEEN APPROVED THAT THIS MIGHT BE A MOOT POINT, MAKES ME WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WE KNEW WHEN IT WAS ALL DRAWN UP.
SO I'M JUST, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR.
>> IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PROJECTS, IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE LIKE TO RESTACK YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS?
>> IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK WE DON'T LIKE THE PROJECT, BECAUSE WE LIKED IT AS IT WENT ALONG, IT'S JUST THE NUMBERS.
IT WAS THE SAME ISSUE WE CAME UP WITH, LIKE A MILLION, MILLION AND A HALF FROM LAKESIDE.
YOU WERE IN HERE AT THE TIME, BUT IT WENT THROUGH FROM SCOTT ALBERT TO THE COUNCIL AND IT CAME BACK THREE OR FOUR MILLION, AND IT'S A NUMBER WE WEREN'T PREPARED FOR.
>> I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH MAKING SURE WE'RE
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DOING THINGS IN THE PROCESS IN WHICH THEY SHOULD BE DONE.WELL, YOU SAID A DOLLAR AMOUNT, YET, AT THE TIME WHEN I CAME IN, PROGRAMMING HAD NOT BEEN DONE.
YOU HAD NOT COLLECTED STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK OR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
SO THAT PROJECT BLEW UP BECAUSE WE SAW THE OTHER THINGS WERE DESIRED BY OUR COMMUNITY, THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED THAT MAYBE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PARK THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE X, Y, AND Z.
AN INCLUSIVE PARK IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A NON-INCLUSIVE PARK.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT IMPACT THE PRICE THAT IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT KNOW THAT WHEN WE GO OUT FOR ACTUAL PROGRAMMING, THAT THAT COULD CHANGE BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, WHICH IS AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENED HERE WITH FREEDOM.
>> WITH THAT, MEGAN, AND YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
IF COMMUNITY PROGRAMMING SAYS THAT WHAT WE NEED IS A SEVEN MILLION DOLLAR PARK, THEN HOW DO WE RECONCILE THE TWO? BECAUSE SOMETIMES, WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD EVERYTHING.
>> ABSOLUTELY. JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, YOU'D TAKE A PHASED APPROACH WHICH AGAIN, IS NOT IDEAL BUT IT'S FEASIBLE, IT'S REALISTIC.
>> BUT WE DO THAT AT OUR HOME BUDGETS, RIGHT?
>> I MEAN, MAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT I'D JUST HAVE TO WAIT ON.
WITH THAT IN MIND, I WOULD THINK, WE'RE DRAGGING ON HERE, BUT HERE'S THE THING, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE ABOUT WHAT THE ABSOLUTE DOLLAR SCOPE CAN BE BECAUSE BURDETT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOR US, AND WE OUGHT TO ALL SPEAK OF, WELL, WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? WHAT'S THE AMOUNT? WHAT CAN WE BOND OUT? IT'S COMPLICATED BECAUSE OF THE OTHER USE OF THOSE FUNDS.
BUT I'M A PRACTICAL PERSON, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY, YEAH, LET'S GO FOR A $6.3 MILLION PARK WHEN I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN FUND IT AFTER WHAT'S JUST BEEN TOLD WITH US WITH CHRIS HILL.
EVEN IF WE DO PHASE IT IN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE'LL BE ABLE TO FUND ALL OF THAT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WITH LAKESIDE, WE ORIGINALLY CAME IN [INAUDIBLE]
>> WELL, WE CUT STUFF IS WHAT WE DID.
>> THAT'S HURTFUL FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO HAD TO GIVE UP THE STUFF THEY WANTED.
>> SURE, BUT THAT'S REALITY. WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
>> THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> PART OF THE PROCESS IS TO ALWAYS TO PUT EVERYTHING IN AND THEN THE MOST POPULAR THING SURVIVE.
WE DID NOT PUT EVERYTHING IN LAKESIDE PARK, WE HAD AMENITIES REQUESTED BY THE PUBLIC THAT WERE BEYOND WHAT WE INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE.
ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE TO CUT TO WHAT WE THINK IS REASONABLE BUT THEN WHEN WE FIND OUT THROUGH ESTIMATED PROBABLE COSTS THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH WE CAN NOT FIND OUT UNTIL YOU PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES AND REALLY DRILL DOWN WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THEN WE FIND OUT, OKAY, THIS IS THE REALISTIC COST OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WHERE CAN WE CUT? BECAUSE WE KNOW FINANCIALLY, WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT UNLESS WE PHASE THE PARK.
>> OKAY. NOW, JUST ONE LAST LITTLE THING ON THIS PROCESS.
A GREAT PROCESS TO IMPROVE ALL OF THIS AND CUT A LITTLE OF THE ACRIMONY OUT IS TO SAY THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK TO SAY, WHAT YOU'VE ASKED US FOR IS 6.3, WHY NOT HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND SO THAT WE HAVE AN IDEA.
WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. BUT THAT'S OKAY.
>> LET ME ASK THE CPA, WHAT IS OUR FUND BALANCE NOW?
>> FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT THOUSAND, I THINK.
>> WE WERE GOING TO TAKE 360 PERCENT OF IT OUT FOR [INAUDIBLE]
>> NO. WHAT CHRIS HILL HAD SAID IS THAT PERCENT IN WHICH SALES TAX WAS INCREASING, WOULD HAVE PAID FOR THE PROJECT COSTS THAT ARE BUDGETED. SO NO.
>> WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IS WE ARE THIS ITEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO SKIP OVER.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> SURE. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET US SOME INFORMATION.
>> SO WE CAN ONLY WE CAN SAY HOW MUCH, WHAT DO WE START ON?
>> AS OF NOW, ITEM 10, WE'RE MOVING ON PAST, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE WE HAD A MOTION THAT [INAUDIBLE]
[10. Discussion and possible action on an agreement with Kimley-Horn to develop Angleton’s Park Design Standards and authorize the City Manager to execute the document upon legal review.]
DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON AGREEMENT WITH KIMLEY-HORN TO DEVELOP ANGLETON'S PARK DESIGN STANDARDS AND AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE DOCUMENT UPON LEGAL REVIEW.
>> THE FUNDS THAT WE BUDGETED FOR THE FREEDOM PARK DESIGN, WE ACTUALLY CAME IN WITH THE PROPOSAL UNDER WHAT WAS BUDGETED.
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WE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH KIMLEY-HORN JUST TO DETERMINE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO HELP US DEVELOP A ANGLETON PARK DESIGN STANDARDS.THIS WOULD WORK IN CONCERT WITH OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND OUR MINIMUM PARK STANDARDS.
THIS WILL HELP US TO OUTLINE WHAT THOSE ARE.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN, WE CAN SAY, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A PARK, HERE ARE THE DESIGN STANDARDS AT WHICH WE NEED YOU TO DEVELOP TO.
IT LITERALLY BE A MANUAL YOU'LL SEE ENCLOSED, WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES.
CHRISTINA MALIK HERE WITH KIMLEY-HORN WILL REVIEW WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FOR US.
BUT THIS WOULD HELP US TREMENDOUSLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AS A CITY AND GROWING, AND IT'S VERY TIMELY, MORE SO NOW THAN EVER BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTINA.
SHE HAS A COUPLE SLIDES TO SHARE WITH YOU AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE THIS EVENING.
MY NAME IS CHRISTINA MALIK. I'M HERE WITH KIMLEY-HORN.
I ALSO HAVE TREVOR TABUENA HERE WITH ME TONIGHT.
WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE, ALSO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PARK STANDARDS AND HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK FOR YOU GUYS.
KIMLEY-HORN WAS FOUNDED IN 1967.
WE'RE A MULTIDISCIPLINARY FIRM OF LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, PLANNERS IN CIVIL ENGINEERS.
WE HAVE OFFICES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING 15 HERE IN TEXAS, WHICH BASICALLY JUST MEANS FOR YOU GUYS THAT IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT SOME STANDARDS THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING IN SOME OTHER REGION OF THE COUNTRY, WE CAN EASILY PULL THAT AS A RESOURCE.
THE INTENT OF THE PARK STANDARDS IS TO GUIDE DEVELOPERS, CONSULTANTS, AND STAFF ON THE FUTURE PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
SOME BENEFITS TO THAT WOULD BE CREATING JUST A CLEAR GUIDANCE TO DEVELOPERS, AS WELL AS AS FAR AS HOW THEY CAN EXECUTE THAT PARKLAND ORDINANCE.
IT ALSO PROVIDES BETTER GUIDANCE TO CONSULTANTS AS THEY'RE DESIGNING NEW FACILITIES.
IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO STRENGTHEN THEIR BRAND AND CREATE CONTINUITY ACROSS THEIR PARKS, SO YOU'VE GOT SIMILARITIES AS FAR AS SPECIFICATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION DETAILING.
THEN FINALLY, IT CAN HELP REDUCE MAINTENANCE COSTS, JUST BECAUSE IT HELPS THE CITY STREAMLINE, IF THEY'VE GOT A BENCH THEY NEED TO REPLACE, THEY KNOW WHICH BENCH TO REPLACE AND THEY CAN BUDGET FOR THAT YEAR AFTER YEAR.
WHEN TALKING WITH MEGAN, WE FOUND TWO EXAMPLES THAT WE REALLY LIKED, ONE WAS THE ONE FROM THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, AND THEN ANOTHER FROM ALEXANDRA, VIRGINIA.
WE USE THOSE AS TEMPLATES AND GO-BYS AS FAR AS HOW WE COULD PRODUCE YOU-ALL'S PARK STANDARDS.
THE DOCUMENT ITSELF WILL BASICALLY OUTLINE THESE FALLING BULLETS, SO THERE'LL BE A COVER PAGE, TABLE OF CONTENTS, INTRODUCTION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A SECTION ABOUT PARK DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT CATEGORIZES THE DIFFERENT PARK FACILITIES, SO NEIGHBORHOOD PARK VERSUS A REGIONAL PARK, AND WHAT KIND OF STANDARDS NEED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN EACH.
THEN WE'LL HAVE A USER GUIDE WHICH WILL HELP GUIDE PEOPLE ON HOW TO USE THE DOCUMENT, SO IT'LL EXPLAIN WHAT KIND OF STANDARDS CAN BE FOUND WITHIN IT, AND THEN THE INFORMATIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO READ AS PART OF EACH OF THOSE.
THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST WILL BE ALL THE PARK STANDARDS THAT WE CAN HELP DEVELOP.
LONG, LONG LIST BUT THE STANDARDS MAY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, WHAT IS THE DISC GOLF EQUIPMENT LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS A RESTROOM BUILDING? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT PARKING LOT MATERIALS OR TRAIL MATERIALS? VARIOUS FIELDS AS FAR AS THEIR EQUIPMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THEM, AND THE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIZE OF THOSE FIELDS.
BLEACHERS, PLAYGROUNDS, PREFAB BRIDGES, DECKS AND BOARDWALKS, SHADE STRUCTURES AS FOR SHELTERS, LIGHTING, FENCING, SIGNAGE, SITE FURNISHINGS, PARK UTILITIES, PLANTING DESIGN, IRRIGATION, AND SITE PREP.
LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT WE CAN HELP DEVELOP STANDARDS FOR.
WE'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF AND YOU-ALL AS FAR AS DEFINING WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY LIST OF THINGS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED.
THEN EACH OF THOSE ITEMS THAT I JUST LISTED WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN PAGE, SO THE PAGE WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE WE WOULD DEFINE THE PURPOSE OF THAT STANDARD, CONTAIN ANY GENERAL INFORMATION AS FAR AS JURISDICTIONAL REQUIREMENTS, CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN FINISHES AS FAR AS THE COLOR OR THE MATERIAL, SPECIAL FEATURES, HOW IT SHOULD BE INSTALLED, THE LIFE-CYCLE AS FOR AS WARRANTY REQUIREMENTS.
THEN IT WOULD INCLUDE A STANDARD DETAIL, FOR EXAMPLE, PHOTO, JUST BECAUSE WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE A VISUAL AID.
AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOES, OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO MEET WITH STAFF, UNDERSTAND WHAT DIFFERENT STANDARDS THEY WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE DOCUMENT,
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AND THEN WE WOULD CONFIRM THE DIRECTION.DO YOU WANT TO USE THE BENCH FROM LAKESIDE PARK? DO YOU WANT TO USE A SHADE STRUCTURE FROM THIS PARK? DO YOU WANT TO CREATE SOME NEW STANDARD? DO WE LIKE WHAT THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING WITH THEIR STANDARD? THEN WE WOULD CREATE VARIOUS DRAFTS.
AT 30 PERCENT, WE PRESENTED A DRAFT, AT 60, AND ALSO AT 90.
ANYWHERE IN THERE, BUT WE'RE THINKING 60 PERCENT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO MEET WITH THE PARKS BOARD TO REVIEW IT AS WELL AND MAKE SURE WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BEFORE WE FINALIZE THE DOCUMENT.
IN GENERAL, THAT'S THE PROCESS IN WHAT PARK STANDARDS GENERALLY LOOK LIKE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION, I AM ASSUMING THAT THE PROCESS IS ONGOING AND SOMEWHAT FLUID AS REGULATIONS CHANGE, STANDARDS CHANGE.
WHAT KIND OF SERVICES DO YOU OFFER AS A FOLLOW-UP? DO YOU DO AN UPDATE PERIODICALLY OR IS THIS FOR THE FIRST PRIMARY ONE, AND THEN IT'S ADDITIONAL AFTERWARDS, OR ARE YOUR SERVICES GOOD FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO [INAUDIBLE]
THE INTENT IS THAT WE WOULD CREATE THIS DRAFT AND THEN MEGAN AND HER STAFF CAN EXPAND ON IT AS STANDARDS CHANGE OR MAYBE THEY JUST WANTED TO ADD MORE STANDARDS TO IT.
OR, OF COURSE, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND HELP MAKE SOME REVISIONS TO THAT; IT'D BE THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS, WHATEVER MAKES SENSE.
THE DOCUMENT'S MEANT TO BE LIKE A LIVING DOCUMENT, SO IT'S NOT ALL SAID AND DONE IN ONE DRAFT.
>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF STANDARDS BECAUSE OTHERWISE, PARTICULARLY WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN, WE HAVE 10-FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALKS IN LAKESIDE IS WHAT OUR NEW STANDARDS GOING TO BE.
DO YOU USE THE RECOMMENDED TIMELINE TRYING TO BRING AN OLDER PARK UP TO DATE OR DO THOSE JUST GRANDFATHERED IN THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO? IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONSISTENCY, DO WE TRY TO BRING THEM UP OR YOU JUST KNOW THEY'RE OLD PARKS.
>> ONE THING THAT I'LL NOTE IS THAT WITH SOME OF OUR EXISTING FACILITIES, WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN REPLACING BENCHES, PUTTING IN WATER FOUNTAINS TO MEET OUR MINIMUM PARK STANDARDS BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENSURE WHAT WE ARE PORTRAYING TO DEVELOPERS, WE ARE HOLDING OURSELVES TO THE SAME STANDARDS.
WHILE WE'RE USING LAKESIDE AS OUR EXAMPLE PARK, WE'RE TAKING SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES, AND WE HAVE BEGUN IMPLEMENTING THOSE AND SOME OF OUR EXISTING PARK SPACES.
YOU'LL NOTE THAT MASTERSON, WE'VE STARTED PUTTING WATER FOUNTAIN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE THERE.
WE'VE REPLACED SOME AT DICKEY BATES.
YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE PARK BENCHES AND TABLES REPLACED OVER TIME AND THOSE ARE BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES.
>> I GUESS ONE EXAMPLE I WAS GOING TO USE IS FREEDOM PARK.
AS WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH MORE DEVELOPMENT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A 10-FOOT CREST GRANTED, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN A 10-FOOT CONCRETE WHETHER IT GOES TO THE AMENETY, WHETHER GOES ACROSS A DITCH, WHATEVER.
[NOISE] WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING MEGAN YOU WOULD THINK AT THAT TIME WE WOULD BUDGET WHERE THERE'S JUST FOUR OF THE CITY TO BRING THE 10 FOOT CREST TRAIL INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE NEW CODE?
>> YES. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO DEPARTMENTALLY WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A STANDARD THAT WE WOULD BE ADOPTING, BUT ALSO FOR LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, A BUDGET, AND I'M JUST WORKING AWAY THERE, THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US EARLIER FOR FREEDOM PARK, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT COST WOULD GO UP THAT MAY NOT BE SHOWN NOW IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER MILE OF 10-FOOT WIDE CONCRETE? OKAY. THE OTHER THING, JUST FROM PERSPECTIVE, AND I THINK WE LOOKED AT THIS ON PARKS BOARD AND IT'S A GOOD MANUAL.
WE HAVE TO BUILD A BETTER QUALITY PARK AND BETTER QUALITY AMENITIES THAT YOUR BUDGET AND PARKS BOARD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO UPDATE EVERYTHING FROM FALL ZONES TO THE EQUIPMENT TO THE SHADE STRUCTURES.
WHEN YOU WANT SOME NICE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO IT WILL COME AT A COST AS WELL AND I GUESS YOUR BUDGET WET REFLECT AS YOU INCREMENTALLY UPDATE EVERY PARK.
>> IT WOULD, BUT THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING SOME OF THOSE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES,
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IS THEY ARE THERE TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDITIONS AS WE EXPAND AND OFFER MORE AMENITIES TO MORE RESIDENTS OR NEW RESIDENTS.WE DO HAVE SOME RESOURCES THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDRESSING SOME DILAPIDATED AREAS, WE CAN PURSUE TPW GRANTS, WHICH WE HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE VERY WELL.
MANY OF OUR PARKS HAVE HISTORY WITH TEXTBOOKS AND WILDLIFE GRANTS, AND SO WE WOULD BE STRATEGIC ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH EACH OF THOSE.
>> THE VIRGINIA BEACH MODEL, WAS THAT CHOSEN BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A GOOD MODEL TO GO BY OR? I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.
WE'LL ADJUST IT, SHE'LL MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS, WHATEVER.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR JUST SCROLLING THROUGH IT AND LOOKING AT EARLIER BEFORE IT CAME, A LOT OF GOOD IN IT.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHY IT WAS CHOSEN OVER ANYONE ELSE ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR WHY.
>> I WILL SAY I FOUND THE VIRGINIA BEACH ONE AND I THINK YOU PROVIDED THE ALEXANDER A1, AND I THINK THERE ARE GREAT THINGS OUT OF BOTH OF THOSE THAT WE PLAN TO UTILIZE.
WHEN LOOKING AND RESEARCHING AT SOME OF THESE PARK DESIGN STANDARDS, I FELT THAT THEY WERE THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND EASY TO READ.
REALLY FOR ME, IT WAS MORE OF A FORMATTING PRESENTATION THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY SIMPLE FOR ANY DEVELOPER TO READ, UNDERSTAND, SHORT AND TO THE POINT, BUT VERY DIRECT.
SOME OF THEM, I THINK VIRGINIA BEACH AND POTENTIALLY THE OTHER MANUAL EVEN HAS A DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS.
AGAIN, WITH EACH NEW BILL THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT BE LAKESIDE PARK, FREEDOM PARK, SOUTHSIDE PARK, ANY NEW AMENITY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ADDRESSED HERE WE CAN TAKE FROM THOSE DESIGN DEVELOP PLANS AND UPDATE IT LIKE KRISTINA SAID.
ONCE THE DOCUMENT'S OURS, WE'LL HAVE THE FORMAT, WE CAN CARRY THAT ON INTO THE FUTURE.
BUT KIMLEY-HORN WOULD REALLY HELP US ESTABLISH WHAT WE'RE NEEDING NOW WITH OUR CURRENT WORKLOAD.
THEY WOULD HELP US ACHIEVE IT A LOT QUICKER WHILE WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF DEVELOPMENT.
>> TO ME, THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
AGAIN, I AM HAPPY TO RECOMMEND.
>> CAN I SAY ONE OTHER THING? I APOLOGIZE TO INTERJECT.
BECAUSE WE HAD THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT FOR FREEDOM PARK AROUND THE 320 FIGURE AND WE HAD BUDGETED 400,000, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE OVERALL PROPOSAL IS, I BELIEVE 85.
I KNOW WE COULD HAVE NEGOTIATED WITH KIMLEY-HORN, BUT IDEALLY, I'D LOVE FOR THE FULL PROPOSAL TO BE FUNDED.
>> I THINK THAT INCLUDES THE TRIP TO VIRGINIA BEACH.
>> YEAH. WELL, AGAIN, NOT INTENDING TO BE FLY IN THE OINTMENT, BUT IT MAKES PERFECTLY LOGICAL SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF STANDARD SET OUT AS WE ARE FACING DEVELOPER AFTER DEVELOPER AFTER DEVELOPER AS WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINE, WE'RE UPGRADING, WE'RE JUST AT THAT POINT IN OUR CITY.
I MOVE THAT WE USE THE FUNDS IN 4506625 TO CONTRACT KIMLEY-HORN TO DEVELOP ANGLETON'S DESIGN STANDARD MANUAL AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT AFTER LEGAL REVIEW.
I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO SPECIFY THE 85,000, BUT I WILL SPECIFY THE $85,000.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. [INAUDIBLE] AND A SECOND MS. ROGERS TO APPROVE THE $85,000 TOWARD THE PARK DESIGN STANDARDS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR WE GOOD? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> SORRY TO KEEP YOU [OVERLAPPING]
I'M GETTING THERE. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT.
>> YEAH, ME TOO. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF.
[11. Discussion on an earthen hill to be included in the Freedom Park design.]
>> ANYWAY, ITEM 11, DISCUSSION OF EARTHEN HILL TO BE INCLUDED IN FREEDOM PARK DESIGN.
>> YEAH. THIS WAS AN ITEM BROUGHT UP BY CHRIS FOR OUR PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING AND NOTED THAT HE'D LIKE IT TO BE ON THE ABLC AGENDA AS WELL, AND SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM TO CONSIDER ADDING AN EARTHEN HILL WITHIN THE FREEDOM PARK MASTER PLAN.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
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I WILL NOTE THAT ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 11TH, THE PARKS BOARD DISCUSSED THIS ITEM AND GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO CONSIDER THE EARTHEN HILL AND FREEDOM PARK MASTER PLAN DESIGN IF THE ESTIMATE A PROBABLE COST IS REASONABLE.>> DO YOU RECALL ONE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT SHAPING ONE FOR A AMPHITHEATER TYPE, ANOTHER FOR KIDS TO RUN UP OR ADULTS TO DO LIKE THEY DO ON THE BLEACHERS, AND THAT'S WHERE I WENT AT, AND IT WON'T COST THREE MILLION, SIX AND HALF MILLION, SO WAS JUST [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF WE ARE COMING BACK BUT IT IS GOING TO COST THEM SOMETHING.
>> SO IF WE ARE COMING BACK WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT, HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE GRAND SCHEME SINCE WE'RE ALREADY ADJUSTING THE SCHEME AND THE PRICE? [OVERLAPPING] IS THERE ANY VISION TO IT, OR DO WE JUST HOLD OFF ON THAT UNTIL WE DECIDE WHAT NUMBER WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR FREEDOM PARK KNOWING THAT WE WANT TO GET FREEDOM PARK FINISHED.
[NOISE] WE WANT TO DO THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A HILL. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, THE ONLY REASON I'D SAY THAT IT'S CHEAP NO MAINTENANCE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A TON OF EXCAVATION OUT IN THE PARK.
THERE'LL BE DIRT RIGHT THERE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
ALL OF IT MADE SENSE, BUT IT WAS JUST AN IDEA.
ANYTIME I STRIP PROPERTY WHERE THEY STRIPPED ITS TOP SOIL TO PUT ON LATER, WE HAVE 30-FOOT HEELS, KIDS ARE ALL OVER EVERY SUBDIVISION.
ANYTIME WE GET A PILE OF DIRT TO A JOB SITE, KIDS ARE ALL OVER IT.
SO I THOUGHT AND IF WE EVER GET A SNOW DAY, THAT IS WHERE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE.
>> WE'VE ALL BEEN THE PLACES WHERE KIDS ARE RUNNING AT OR OURSELVES ROLL DOWNHILL. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME A CHEAP LOW MAINTENANCE THING, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE I SAID IT WHATEVER THE BOARD WANT.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
BUT IF YOU'D RATHER PUT IT BACK FOR ANOTHER DAY, THAT'S FINE.
>> NO. [LAUGHTER] TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR ALL OF FREEDOM PARK DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE'RE ASKED TO PUT BUDGETED AMOUNT, THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT IS BUDGETED.
>> WHEN I SAW THAT, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.
I'M THINKING 400,00 FOR A HILL.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I TRIED [OVERLAPPING] DEVELOPMENT.
>> WHERE I'M FROM IN ARKANSAS, WE HAVE THREE HILLS. [LAUGHTER]
>> WHEN YOU SAY MAGAZINE, MOUNTAIN AND ARKANSAS. RIGHT?
>> THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
>> REALLY THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM.
PARKS BOARD, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SIMILAR DIRECTION, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT UP WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AGAIN LATER IN DECEMBER.
>> DID YOU WANT AMEND WHAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING FOR THAT?
>> WE'RE RECOMMENDING, AND I'M HAPPY TO RECOMMEND IT.
>> SORRY, IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM.
>> BECAUSE THEN I THINK THAT WITH THIS, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING I FELT LIKE IT WAS WATCHING KIDS THEY GRAVITATE TO INEXPENSIVE WAY.
ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WE'LL MOVE
[12. Discussion on preliminary tree planting plan in collaboration with Trees for Houston.]
ON TO GENERAL DISCUSSION WITH PRELIMINARY TREE PLANTING, PLAN AND COLLABORATION WITH TREES FOR USE?>> YES. REALLY THIS IS JUST ANOTHER DISCUSSION ITEM THAT CHRIS HAD REQUESTED WE UPDATE YOU ON.
THIS IS REALLY A PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH KEEP ANGLETON BEAUTIFUL.
IN COLLABORATION ALSO WITH TREES FOR HOUSTON WHO HAS BEEN AN ANNUAL SPONSOR OF TREES FOR OUR ANNUAL TREE PLANTING IN THE FIRST FRIDAY OF NOVEMBER, TEXAS ARBOR DAY, AND THEN ALSO NATIONAL ARBOR DAY, THE LAST FRIDAY IN APRIL.
THEY HAVE SUPPLIED US WITH FREE TREES.
FOR BOTH OUR PLANTING WITHIN OUR PARKS AND OUR GIVEAWAY EACH YEAR.
THEY ARE ALSO COLLABORATING WITH US ON ANY NUMBER OF TREES FOR TREE REFORESTATION, MEDIANS, ALL DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THAT WOULD HELP US.
ALSO ON SAFETY FOR OUR PARKS MOWING GUYS ON A VARIETY OF RIGHT OF WAYS.
ALSO THE AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO ON OUR RIGHT OF WAYS.
WE HAVE WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET IS ACTUALLY A PLAN THAT WE HAVE.
WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE STRATEGIC WITH OUR PLANS, BUT WE HAVE TREE-PLANTING PLANES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG-TERM PROJECT BECAUSE WHILE THE TREES ARE FREE, THE RESOURCES THAT WE'LL NEED TO PLANT THE TREES [OVERLAPPING] ARE NOT.
THAT WILL BE A LONG-TERM PROJECT.
WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS BUDGETED EVERY YEAR, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING 20, 40 YEARS.
THIS WILL SURVIVE ME IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PLANTING TREES IN THE AREA.
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BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW OR WORK WITH TXDOT GREEN RIBBON PROJECT, WHICH IS A PROJECT WHERE WE CAN SUBMIT THESE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS IT HAS TO RELATE TO VEGETATION.IT'S ONLY SOFT SCAPE, NOT HARD SCAPE, SO NO SIGNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NO CONCRETE, BUT ANY NUMBER OF VEGETATION PROJECTS WE CAN SUBMIT TO TXDOT AND WE HAVE DONE SO.
WE'RE WORKING WITH ETHAN BISON, WHO'S A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OUT OF HOUSTON WITH TXDOT AND THEY ARE SUBMITTING THE PACKET THAT IS ENCLOSED FOR OUR GREEN RIBBON PROJECT.
THEY WILL LIKELY NOT GO OUT TO BID AND TELL FALL OF 2022.
THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY BUDGETED THIS YEAR, ONE OF WHICH AGAIN IN KB IS ONE OF THE MEDIANS ON LOOP 274, WE ARE WORKING ON REPLACING THE SOD AND ARE ONE OF THOSE CREPE MYRTLE MEDIANS AND PUTTING VEGETATION THAT WE THINK WILL HELP US REDUCE OUR MODELING CYCLES.
WE'RE OUT THERE WEEKLY, KEEPING THAT GRASS MAINTAINED, AND IT'S NOT INCREDIBLY SAFE FOR OUR STAFF TO BE OUT THERE.
WE THINK ADDING SOME VEGETATION LIKE LANTANA AND WANDERING JEW OR ALSO KNOWN AS PURPLEHEART OUT THERE AND KIND OF A SWEEPING WAY.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON WEED MITIGATION, SO WE HOPE THAT'S THE CASE.
WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN FUNDS THIS YEAR TO DO A TEST TO TRY AND RUN BEFORE WE PURSUE THE OTHER THREE MEDIANS.
BUT I SAY THAT KNOWING THAT THIS HAS ALSO BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE GREEN RIBBON PROJECT, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONE MEDIAN THIS YEAR.
BUT IN FALL OF 2022 THE OTHER THREE ARE GOING TO BE BID OUT.
WE HOPE THAT THE COST WILL BE COVERED BY TXDOT.
IF THAT BIT IS ORDERED TO A CONTRACTOR.
IN ADDITION TO ALL THESE OTHER TREE PLANTINGS AROUND LOOP 274523, AND SOME AREAS ON SH288.
THERE ARE SOME STRIPS ON 523, VERY FEW.
>> GO NORTH ON [INAUDIBLE] 44.
THERE ARE SOME STRIPS GOING TOWARDS SH288.
THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO BEFORE YOU GET TO 35, THERE'S TWO GRASSY STRIPS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK IN CONCERT WITH THE TXDOT SINCE THAT IS A TXDOT.
>> IF THEY APPROVE IT, THEY PAY FOR IT?
>> YES. SPECIFICALLY, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, THEY APPROVED THE GREEN RIBBON PROJECTS ARE ONLY TXDOT RIGHT AWAY.
THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING, HEY, CITIES THINK OF SOME PROJECTS, [OVERLAPPING] BUT REALLY WE'RE WILLING TO REINVEST IN OUR OWN RIGHT WAYS.
>> WONDERFUL. WELL IT MAKES HIM SO MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE.
>> WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WHILE WE CAN.
>> NOW OUT THERE ON 288, WHERE WE'VE GOT THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TREES ARE AND WE COME IN AND WE MOWED DOWN AROUND THE TREES.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. DO WE?
>> NO. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A LONG-TERM PLAN, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS DOING CLUSTER PLANTINGS TO WHERE THEY ARE DENSELY PLANTED TREES.
SOME ARE GOING TO LEAVE SOME OUT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE JUST A TREE.
>> JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOW ROUND THEM.
>> BUT IT IS GOING TO TAKE AND OUR PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO DO SO.
>> [INAUDIBLE] DOWN BY THEM ALL.
THERE'S LIKE SOME PLANTINGS [INAUDIBLE] FOREST YOU HAVE CANOPIES [INAUDIBLE] THEN YOU HAVE OTHERS ON THE SLOPE ASSORTED TREES.
BUT CAN SOME OF THOSE TREES WILL THEY WORK.
IS THIS A GROUP THAT WILL WORK WITH US FOR REFORESTING THE FOREST.
>> YES. THIS IS GREEN RIBBON PROJECT, WHICH AGAIN, GREEN RIBBON IS WITH TXDOT, WE CAN APPLY FOR THAT ANNUALLY, BUT THAT HAS TO BE PLANTINGS ON TXDOT RIGHT WAYS.
TREES FOR HOUSTON IS OUR BACKUP PLAN TO GREEN RIBBON, IN ADDITION TO OTHER PARK DEVELOPMENT.
TREES FOR HOUSTON WILL GIVE US ANY NUMBER OF TREES, BUT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE LABOR AND RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY PLANT THE TREES.
IF WE DO NOT GET FUNDED ON SOME OF THESE GREEN RIBBON PROJECT, TREES FOR HOUSTON WILL SUPPLY US WITH WHATEVER WE NEED.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE FINANCIAL DOLLARS AGAIN TO PLANT THEM.
THEY ARE ALSO OUR RESOURCE FOR TREE PLANTINGS, REFORESTATION, WE TALKED, I BELIEVE LAST MEETING OR MAYBE IT WAS A COUNSEL MEETING IS MENTIONED THAT IF WE DON'T PURSUE A PRIVATE AGREEMENT AT WELSH PARK, WE JUST REFOREST THAT AREA.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO NOW THE SOONER WE GET THINGS IN THE GROUND, THE SOONER [OVERLAPPING] WE GOING TO START GROWING.
WE'VE DONE THAT ANNUALLY AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR THIRD YEAR FOR ANNUAL TREE PLANNING IN OUR PARKS.
WE'VE DONE IT TWICE AND FREEDOM THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE] AND WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A BUFFER FROM THE HIGHWAY AND THE FIRE FIELD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE THIS YEAR.
>> LIKE SOME OF THESE FIELDS JUST NEED SOME SHADE,
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BUT THE TREES ARE PROBABLY SMALL, SO IT TAKES A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE THEY GET A NICE SHADE.>> WHEN WE DO OUR TREE PLANNING, THEY'RE DONATING 15-GALLON TREES, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT WITH SOME OF THE MORE MASS QUANTITIES WHEN WE GET TO 300 AND 500, THEY'RE DOING 3, 7 AND SMALLER SEEDLINGS.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, 30 YEARS AGO [INAUDIBLE] PARKS, IF THEY HAD A PARK'S DIRECTOR, LIKE MEGAN ALWAYS SAID, WE NEED REFOREST THEM. WE COULD HAVE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF TREES.
>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON 274 ON THE LAKE.
AS YOU ALL ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND YOUR MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, ARE YOU CONSIDERING THE LIVABLE CENTERS AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TURN CURRENT STREET INTO A PEDESTRIAN PARK?
>> YES, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY CONSIDER THAT.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS AGENDA SUMMARY IS THAT CHRIS DID ALSO ADDITIONALLY RECOMMEND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, AS WELL AS ADLC, RECOMMEND A PROCLAMATION CONFIRMING COMMITMENT OF PRESERVATION OF WOODLANDS.
I SENT OUT AN EMAIL TO OUR GREATER GULF COAST PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS AS FAR NORTH AS CONRAD HUNTSVILLE, EAST OR WEST RATHER TOWARDS CYPRUS AND SOUTH TOWARDS LIKE VICTORIA.
I'VE RECEIVED SOME MIXED FEEDBACK.
WE MIGHT CHANGE SOME OF THE VERBIAGE TO SAY MANAGEMENT PLAN, WE'LL FARM THAT UP.
BUT IT WILL JUST KIND OF HELP SUPPORT US MOVING INTO THE DIRECTION OF BECOMING A TREE CITY, USA ARE RECOGNIZED AS SUCH.
I DO BELIEVE WE QUALIFY FOR THAT.
AT ONE TIME I THOUGHT WE HAD TO HAVE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST ON STAFF AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION AND ADOPTING OR APPROVING A PROCLAMATION COULD CERTAINLY HELP, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON VERBAGE.
CHRIS MENTIONED THEY MAY HAVE ONE ALSO.
I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM LIKE JACKSON, BUT PASADENA IS WORKING ON SOMETHING SIMILAR.
I KNOW THE WOODLANDS HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SHOOT OVER TO US FOR VERBAGE.
>> HEY, MEGAN, HAVE WE EVER REACHED OUT TO LIKE THE BOY SCOUTS IN ANGLETON.
YOU KNOW SOMETIMES THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS. WHAT DO WE DO? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE CAN CERTAINLY, YEAH. WHEN WE DO OUR ANNUAL TREE PLANTING, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S ON A FRIDAY WHEN MOST KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'S TEXAS ARBOR DAY.
>> MAYBE WE DO FRIDAY, SATURDAY.
>> AS WE DO SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS THOUGH THAT ARE GOING TO BE A LOT MORE INTENSIVE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY USE SOME HELPING HANDS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TO ENCOURAGE VOLUNTEERS TO COME OUT ARE ALSO WITH OUR PLANTING, DOING A TREE GIVE AWAY.
FOR BG PECK THIS NOVEMBER WE'RE GOING TO BE PLANTING 100 TREES, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE GIVING AWAY ABOUT 300. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY ARE JUST SEEDLINGS FOR PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND IF PEOPLE DON'T COME OUT, WILL PLANT THEM.
>> CAN WE TAKE SOME OF OUR PLANTINGS OUT OF THE LAKESIDE PARK? [INAUDIBLE]
>> YES, STAFF WILL BE WORKING ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE TOOK OUT OF THE BID.
PART OF THAT IS FENCING, PART OF THAT IS CUTTING DOWN SOME TREES.
ONE OF THEM IS THE MAINTENANCE PEER THAT WE'RE GOING TO PULL OUT, SO THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS AS SUCH.
>> I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M REFERENCING, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO TREES AND AFTER THE PARK IS FINISHED, YOU COULD PROBABLY SOMEHOW WORK ON GETTING SOMETHING TO PUT, BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LOW SHADE IN THAT PARK.
>> ABSOLUTELY. TREES FOR HOUSTON IS ACTUALLY, WE REDUCED THE VEGETATION AMOUNT IN THAT BID BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPPLYING US ALL OF OUR TREES.
WE'RE NOT PURCHASING ANY TREES FOR LAKESIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING ALL OF THEM.
YES. BUT WE CAN CONTINUE DOING THAT IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS ALSO.
>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
[13. Discussion and possible action on future park development.]
>> I HAVE A NUMBER 13 DISCUSSIONS OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON FUTURE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT.
>> YES. ENCLOSED, YOU HAVE SURVEY RESULTS FROM VARIOUS ITEMS REVOLVED AROUND MUNICIPAL POOL SITE DEVELOPMENT, NOT DEVELOPMENT OF A MUNICIPAL POOL.
VETERANS PARK, REUBEN WELCH PARK, AND OFFICER CASH MEMORIAL DOG PARK.
THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING, AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE PARTICIPANTS, WE HAD 79 PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE SURVEY AND NOT ALL ANSWERED QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATED TO OFFICER CASH MEMORIAL DOG PARK, BUT SOME OF THE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN ARE THAT MOST INDIVIDUALS WOULD USE THIS PARK FOR WALKING EXERCISE,
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PLAY, FAMILY ACTIVITIES, BIKING, AND PLAYGROUND SPLASH PAD USE.MOST INDIVIDUALS OF ALL AGES WOULD USE THE PARK.
THE TOP FIVE AMENITIES DESIRED ARE PLAYGROUND FOR 5-12, TRAILS, SPLASH PAD, PLAYGROUND FOR 2-5 YEARS, AND SWINGS.
IF THERE WERE SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY, MOST INDIVIDUALS WOULD BIKE OR WALK.
IF THERE WASN'T, THEY WOULD DRIVE A VEHICLE OR A CAR.
THE PARK WOULD MOSTLY BE USED ON THE WEEKEND, DURING THE WEEK, AND AT VARIOUS TIMES.
THERE WAS NO REAL CONSENSUS ON WHEN IT WOULD BE USED.
REALLY ALL TIMES OF THE WEEK AND WEEKEND.
SEVENTY EIGHT OF THE RESPONDENTS WOULD LIKE SPLASH PAD AT THIS PARK.
AS IT RELATES TO THE MUNICIPAL POOL, THE MAJORITY OF RESPONDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS SITE USED FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT.
TOP THREE AMENITIES INCLUDES SPLASH PAD, PLAYGROUND 5-12, AND A PLAYGROUND 2-5.
SEVENTY FOUR PERCENT OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS SITE BEING USED AS A SPECIAL USE PARK FOR SOMETHING LIKE A SKATE PARK, AND A MAJORITY OF RESPONDENTS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF SELLING THIS PROPERTY.
IF THERE WAS A WALK CONNECTIVITY, MOST INDIVIDUALS WOULD BIKE OR WALK.
AS IT RELATES TO VETERANS PARK REDEVELOPMENT, WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH THIS GROUP AND HAVE PROVIDED, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS IN THE LAST AGENDA PACKET MAY VERY WELL HAVE BEEN, BUT I KNOW WE DID DISCUSSED THIS WITH PARKS BOARD.
WE DID, WE TALKED ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE, BACK IN JUNE.
WE HAD DISCUSSED IDEAS OF POTENTIALLY REPLACING THE GAZEBO WITH SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURE, NOT NECESSARILY A GAZEBO BUT COULD BE A STAGE.
I KNOW PARKS BOARD HAD MENTIONED THEY WANTED IT TO FUNCTION ALSO AS A PIECE OF ART, WE WANTED TO KEEP THE MEMORIAL THERE, HAVE AMPLE SEATING, AREAS WHERE FOOD TRUCKS COULD CONNECT FOR DOWNTOWN EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU ALSO HEARD THINGS LIKE SPLASH PADS.
THESE WERE ALL ITEMS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN A DRAWING DEVELOPED BY MRP GROUP.
WE NOTED IN THE SURVEY, "HEY, IF ALL THESE ITEMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, OUR MEMORIAL, WE HAVE A STAGE RESTROOMS, AMPLE SEATING, HOOKUPS FOR FOOD TRUCKS.
WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HERE?" THESE WERE SOME OF THE RESPONSES.
RESPONDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PARK USE FOR FOOD TRUCKS, CONCERTS, EVENTS, FAMILY ACTIVITIES, AND PICNICS.
THE PARK WOULD BE USED MOSTLY ON THE WEEKEND OR DURING THE WEEK AT VARIOUS TIMES.
EIGHTY TWO PERCENT OF THE RESPONDENTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO USE THE PARK IF AMPLE SEATING WAS PROVIDED.
LASTLY, OFFICER CASH MEMORIAL DOG PARK REDEVELOPMENT, 75 PERCENT OF THE 59 RESPONDENTS WERE DOG OWNERS.
ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT NOT EVERYONE RESPONDED TO THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING.
SIZE OF THE DOG PARK RANGES FROM ONE TO FIVE ACRES, 83 PERCENT OF 55 RESPONDENTS PREFER LARGE AND SMALL DOG AREAS TO BE SEPARATED.
THE TOP FIVE DOG PARK AMENITIES INCLUDED SHADE, DOG DRINKING FOUNTAINS, WALKING TRAIL, WASH STATIONS, AND INTERACTIVE WATER FEATURE.
PREFERENCE FOR STANDALONE DOG PARK AND DOG PARK INCORPORATED INTO A LARGER PARK WAS NEARLY SPLIT.
MONDAY IS THE PREFERRED CLOSURE DAY FOR DOG PARK MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE IN THEIR ROUTINE FOR MOWING AND SO RATHER THAN CLOSING DOWN THE PARK, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO IDENTIFY A DAY SO THAT WE'RE NOT INTERRUPTING USE.
WITH THAT, I WILL NOTE ON OCTOBER 11TH, LAST MONDAY, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD NOTED THAT THEY WANTED SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY TO A SOUTHSIDE PARK DEVELOPMENT AND WOULD LIKE THE DESIGN TO INCLUDE A TRAIL AND SPLASH PAD.
ALSO, THE PARKS BOARD NOTED THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL POOL SITE TO HELP FUND A FUTURE LAND PURCHASE OR USE THE SITE FOR FUTURE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD NOTED THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE VETERANS PARK DEVELOPED WITH PRELIMINARY AMENITIES DISCUSSED.
FINALLY, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD REQUESTED ADDITIONAL RESEARCH BE DONE TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE SIDE OF THE PARK SITE, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT THAT SHOULD SAY.
IF A STANDALONE PARK AND WHAT TYPE OF AMENITIES ARE TYPICALLY FOUND IN OTHER MUNICIPAL DOG PARKS.
WE NEED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH FOR OFFICER CASH MEMORIAL DOG PARK.
WITH THIS, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR FEEDBACK ON THE SURVEY RESULTS.
HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO REVIEW THOSE.
>> I THINK IT'S AWESOME THAT YOU HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE PARTICIPATE.
MY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE WHEN I SAW THIS ONE, I THINK ABOUT THIS AS HOW OUR COMMUNITY NATURALLY GRAVITATED TOWARDS THREE SEPARATE USES.
THE VETERANS PARK MORE AS MUSIC ON WEEKENDS KIND OF THINGS, SOUTH WITH THE SPLASH PAD AND THE WALKING TRAILS.
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THEN THE DOG PARK USE ON WEEKENDS AND SHADE, TREES, WATER.DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO MAKE A DOG PARK A HAPPY DOG PARK. [LAUGHTER]
>> YES. WHILE I KNOW OUR NEXT ITEM TALKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LAND USE, I DO THINK NOW IS TIMELY TO NOTE THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD DID ALSO DISCUSSED, SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOG PARK, UTILIZING THE AREAS THAT WE DID DEMOLISHED WHERE THE OLD CITY BARN WAS OFF OF ANDERSON IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING DOG PARK SITE OFF OF KHYBER, AND PULLING BOTH OF THOSE SITES TOGETHER.
THE ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER IS A BUILDING THAT IS NEEDING SOME ATTENTION.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, ONE CONSIDERATION IS TO RELOCATE THAT BUILDING, AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE MUNICIPAL POOLSIDE.
YOU'RE OPENING UP THAT LAND USE STRICTLY FOR A DOG PARK OR A SOUTHSIDE DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE PARKS BOARD DISCUSSED.
AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN THE NEXT ITEM. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW.
>> AT ONE POINT, I HAVE A RECOLLECTION AND WE WERE GOING TO TALK TO THE VETERANS.
>> YES, THEY WERE NOT AGREEABLE TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH PARK DEVELOPMENT, AND WHAT ELLEN IS REFERRING TO IS THE LITTLE OVER FIVE ACRES BEHIND THE AMERICAN LEGION POLL.
YES. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTIVITY WORK AND PARK DESIGN.
BUT WE WEREN'T MAKING A GREAT DEAL OF PROGRESS ON NEGOTIATING WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND REALLY PROVIDING AMPLE ACCESSIBILITY.
>> THERE WAS NO SIDEWALK ACCESS THERE.
WE WANT KIDS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE ARE PEOPLE TO BE UNBLOCKED.
ANDERSON'S STREET HAS SIDEWALKS ARE SOME OTHERS.
BUT ANOTHER TOPIC THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE BEFORE.
I'LL CHARLOTTE IN OHIO AND I THINK THE OTHERS HAVE, AS WELL AS THINGS TO BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE REC CENTER OR OUTSIDE REC CENTER.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT IN THERE ABOUT SOME OUTDOOR I THINK EVEN GEORGE BROWN WAS HERE.
A TRAIL AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE DETENTION POND BEHIND THE REC CENTER AND THEN SOME OTHER AMENITIES THERE.
AND YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IF YOU PUT A NUMBER OF LITTLE SPLASH PADS RATHER THAN ONE LARGE EPIC PATH, I WOULD THINK YOU PUT AN EPIC SPLASH PAD FOR INSTANCE.
I THINK IT WAS THE WORD YOU USED TO DESCRIBE IT.
WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE AT THE REC CENTER, SIGMA COULD BE MORE FITTING TO PUT IT THERE.
THEN IN A SMALLER BEEN USED SOMEWHERE ELSE IS JUST BECAUSE YOU'LL REQUIRE MORE PARKING AND ALL THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED.
BUT JUST BECAUSE OF OUR FUNDING AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE REVENUE THAT GOES OUT AT THE REC CENTER.
AND YOU'RE ALWAYS DOING SOMETHING IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING AND TO CREATE MORE INTEREST, TO DRAW MORE PEOPLE THERE THAT MIGHT GIVE MORE MEMBERSHIPS AND [INAUDIBLE] AND MOST THINGS OUTSIDE WINDOWS FOR DIFFERENT STUFF THAT I HAVE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE WHATEVER 16, 17 YEARS IN A WHILE.
MAYBE WE CAN FRESHEN IT UP ON THE OUTSIDE AND MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE.
DR. JACKSON'S SON [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO.
>> THOSE THINGS BUT I WAS TRYING TO THINK LESS EXPENSIVE THAN MANY OF THESE OUTSIDE.
AND THEN WE CAN DRAW SOME PEOPLE.
THEY'RE AND NOT THINK MEGAN SAID THIS BEFORE THAT FACILITY IS THE MOST CENTRAL PART.
WE HAVE A NEGLIGENT IF MORE PEOPLE CAN WALK OR BICYCLE TO IT THAN ANY OTHER PARKS.
SO BUT I LIKE HAVING THINGS SCATTERED AROUND.
I JUST DON'T LIKE BRUSHING BOW PART TO ME IT'S LIMITED IN WHAT IT CAN OFFER BECAUSE IT'S JUST SET ASIDE DIVISION BACKUP FOR THEIR HAND OR WHATEVER THE STREET IS.
AND WHATEVER WE DO SOUTH SIDE, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET TO IN A MINUTE, YOU WANT IT ENOUGH OR THE SOUTH SIDE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT IGNORED, GO WE BRING SOMETHING DESIRABLE, BUT I JUST, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON REC CENTER.
I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF SOMETHING WE COULD DO THERE THAT WILL HELP BRING MORE ATTENTION TO IT.
>> ONE THING I WILL NOTE, I WOULD NOT NECESSARILY WHILE YOU COULD ADD A SPLASH PAD OR OTHER OUTDOOR AMENITIES AND ONE THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, JUST LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH LAKESIDE PARK,
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NOT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO A POND FOR FISHING.LIKEWISE, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE FUNDS TO GO INTO THE REC CENTER AND USE THE POOL.
BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE A SPLASH PAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
TYPICALLY THOSE WHILE YOU CAN RUN OUT PAVILIONS FOR PARTIES OR PICNIC TABLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GENERATE REVENUE.
THAT WOULD BE AN AMENITY THAT WOULD SERVE AREAS OR PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE REC CENTER.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WHILE I TOTALLY AGREE, I THINK WE NEED TO EXPAND SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES OUTDOORS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE A SPLASH PAD OR LARGER SLIDES.
I KNOW I'VE REFERRED TO THE PARKS BOARD TO STRAWBERRY PARK, WATER PARK, AND PASADENA.
IT'S NOT A LARGE AQUATIC CENTER, BUT IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW IT'S EYE-CATCHING AND SO IT DOES BRING PEOPLE IN.
I DO THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR SOME EXPANSION, BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN AS WELL.
>> WHEN IT'S HOT AND IT'S SUMMERTIME, WHAT BEADS HOMES.
>> [LAUGHTER] IF YOU JUST WALK OVER THERE, YOU'D HAVE TURNED HOUSE.
ALL I NEED TO JUMP AROUND AND NOW IT'S LOVE WATER.
>> IN LIGHT OF THAT, ONE CHILD WHO DIED IN LAKE JACKSON AND I THINK ARLINGTON RECENTLY ASSUME THE ISSUES WITH THOSE WE WOULD NOT.
WHO DO YOU THINK SIMILAR AS [INAUDIBLE]
>> SURE, AND SOME OF THOSE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE AGE, THE TECHNOLOGY TODAY, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. THERE'S A RECIRCULATING SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO MANAGE AND TAKE CHEMICAL READINGS ON DAILY BY CODE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE WITH RECIRCULATING, THEN WE WOULD PUT THE NECESSARY PROCESSES IN PLACE OR GUIDELINES.
ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU DID A PASS-THROUGH SYSTEM WHERE IT'S JUST GOING TO OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THIRDLY, YOU COULD IRRIGATE A LARGER AREA IF YOU HAD A LARGE AREA TO IRRIGATE.
FOR INSTANCE, IF WE WERE STUCK WITH A MUNICIPAL POOL SITE, WE'D NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN IRRIGATION AND GRAY WATER RECYCLING SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL FOOTPRINT.
WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISSEMINATE THE WATER [LAUGHTER] FAST ENOUGH TO COUNTERBALANCE USE.
BUT IF YOU HAD A LARGER SITE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY IRRIGATE A PARK SYSTEM THAT WAY THROUGH RECYCLING THE GRAY WATER.
THERE'S SOME OPTIONS ALL OF WHICH WE WOULD CONSIDER.
OF COURSE, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD MAINTENANCE IT APPROPRIATELY SO THAT WE DON'T COME INTO SIMILAR ISSUES.
>> AT SOME POINT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIL, WHETHER WALKED OR JOGGED ON OUTSIDE OF THE REC CENTER I THINK YOU BECOME AWARE OF SOME.
>> PROPERTIES LINE ISSUES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. IT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED BECAUSE WE DO NOT OWN ALL OF THE PROPERTY OUTSIDE THE DETENTION AREA.
[OVERLAPPING] THE ALTERNATIVES COULD BE TO ADAPT WHAT THAT ROUTE LOOKS LIKE OR ACQUIRE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO START WITH A SURVEY THAT YOU GET TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE LINES ARE AND THEN APPROACH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
>> WELL, AND I GUESS I HAD JUST ALWAYS ASSUMED [LAUGHTER] THAT ALL OF THAT FOOTPRINT WAS PROBABLY OURS.
BUT YOU SEE KIDS ALL THE TIME YOU CAN TELL ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR OWN BASKETBALL AND THEY'RE WALKING UP THE STREET AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR BASKETBALL OR THEY'RE GOING THEIR BAG AND YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE HEADING.
THAT THEN SOMETIMES SOMEBODY'S MAYBE BEEN ON THE TREADMILL BUT THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, I'M GOOD AND SWEATY.
LET ME JUST TAKE ANOTHER MILE AROUND OUTSIDE.
HOW DO I TRANSITION WHAT I'VE DONE ON A TREADMILL TO RUN IT OUTSIDE.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A NATURAL [LAUGHTER] PROGRESSION AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MEMBER.
>> AND DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY TO WALK IN.
>> TO THEN RUN THAT OUTSIDE AND THEN THEY MAY OBSERVE AND JUST SAY, WELL, HEY, I COULD GO OVER THERE.
NOW, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'RE WITH OUR STANDARD.
WHAT TRAIL WOULD WE PUT THERE AND CAN YOU TELL ME THAT TRAIL IS NO MORE THAN $2,000?
>> RIGHT, I CANNOT GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE INITIALLY STARTED DRAWING OUT THAT PRELIMINARY MEASUREMENT.
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I MEAN, WE COULD GET YOU A ROUGH COST JUST TO SEND TO [OVERLAPPING] SEND YOU. [OVERLAPPING]>> BUT I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A MULTI-MODAL TRAIL, THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR, 10 FOOT, WHAT WE CALL OUR PRIMARY TRAIL.
WE HAVE SECONDARY WHICH IS SIX, AND THEN THOSE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAYS FOUR.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THEY MAY HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN SOMEWHAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH. I GUESS WHERE IT WAS GOING WITH IS WE USED TO HAVE WITHIN THE BUDGET.
HEY, LET'S DO THIS PROJECT WHERE IT'S LIKE WE COULD ADD THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AND LET PEOPLE [OVERLAPPING] SEE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GRASP NOW.
>> YOU DO HAVE THIS YEAR WHAT WAS BUDGETED AND CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS OUR BALANCING LINE IS 50,000.
>> SO YOU DO HAVE 50,000 IN CONTINGENCY THIS YEAR.
[INAUDIBLE] BORDER CITIES WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE DIRECTION AS A BOARD FOR US TO LOOK INTO A SURVEY FOR THE LOT AND POTENTIALLY TALK TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO EXPLAIN THAT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT.
>> WELL, JUST ASKING TO ME SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE REC CENTER THAT EVERYBODY COULD WALK UP TO YOU AND USE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WALK ACROSS [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>>WE NEED I WOULD ANYBODY THAT CAN DO THE CAN USE.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND WHATEVER ON DOOR. WHAT IS IT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S ONLY A $5 A DAY OR 4.
>> SOME MAY GO OUTSIDE ENJOY THE TRAIL AND JOY.
IF THERE WERE SPLASHED BATTERY IF THERE'S BAD.
BUT WHATEVER MAY BE AND DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO PAY TO GET IN.
BUT YOU GET THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE.
SOMEBODY SAY, I WANTED TO USE A DAY PASS. WHAT SHE NEEDS.
YOU HAVE GOING TO HAVE TO WRITE SOME USE, BUT TO ME THAT WOULD BE A CENTRAL LARGE COMMUNITY PARK.
BUT WE DO NEED SOUTH SIDE, WE HAVE ALL THOSE.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST THINK THE REC CENTER, IF BFS IN HERE, BUT JERRY AND THE STAFF HAD TO SAY WOULD ENHANCE USAGE.
THEY PROBABLY HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THERE WHETHER, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION WEIGHING ON THAT? EXERCISE IN THE GYM, IS IT BIG ENOUGH? OR IS IT BEING [INAUDIBLE].
>> BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A ONETIME YEARS AGO, WHAT WE DIDN'T LAUNCH THE ACTUAL FACILITY. WHAT WAS THAT?
>> ON THIS ONE WE CAN DEFINITELY IN DECEMBER BRING BACK MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REC CENTER, BUT THE SURVEYS SPECIFICALLY RELATES TO THE MUNICIPAL POOL SITE, THE OFFICER CASH MEMORIAL DOG PARK, VETERANS PARK.
WHAT WAS THAT LAST ONE? A SOUTH-SIDE PART JUST IN GENERAL.
>> WELL AND PART OF IT WAS PURCHASING LEE AND RIGHT.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT ITEM.
>> BUT I THINK WITH VETERANS PARK THOUGH, I THINK THAT'S NEAT BECAUSE I KNOW MY WIFE AND I WE WROTE DOWN ON FRIDAY NIGHTS AND SATURDAY NIGHTS WE USE USED TO RIGHT SOME ACTIVITY DOWN, WHICH IS NICE.
I THINK DURING THE DAYTIME PEOPLE WHO ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE COURT SYSTEM, ATTORNEYS AND SUCH LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE RIGHT WITHIN WALKING THIS IS A VETERAN'S PARK.
THEY HAVE THAT LIKES, BUT THEY CAN GO AND LUNCHTIME AND SIT AND I THINK IS PRETTY NEAT.
I THINK IT'S LIKE WE RESTORED THAT POINT.
IT WILL BE GREAT BECAUSE GAZEBO LEFT.
I MEAN ONE OF THE LADIES WHO WORK WITH ME I SHOULD GET MARRIED AT THAT GAZEBO.
SHE HAD A HUSBAND, OF COURSE I'M LIKE LET'S GO.
BUT SEEING [LAUGHTER] BLACKLIST LIKE IT'S LIKE WOULD BE SOMETHING TO PUT THERE IN PLACE OF HER.
>> ALL RIGHT. YOU NEED A MOTION ON THAT.
>> NO, WE'RE JUST COLLECTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS.
>> WHAT DO YOU DO? THE FRIDAY NIGHT?
>> CONTACT WERE PRETTY AWESOME BECAUSE I LIKE MUSIC.
>> IT WAS NICE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING SEATING, EVERYBODY KNEW TO BRING THEIR LAWN CHAIRS AND MOST OF US DOWN HERE HAVE THAT BECAUSE WE'VE WATCHED GIRLS PLAY SOFTBALL, BOYS PLAY BASEBALL, OR WE'VE GONE SOMEPLACE AND WE TAKE OUR CHAIRS.
IT WAS NICE BECAUSE YOU ENCOUNTERED PEOPLE MAYBE YOU HADN'T SEEN FOR AWHILE.
>> OR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A REAL NICE CONNECTIVITY.
CERTAINLY, IT HELPED THAT IT WAS IN THE EVENING. I DON'T KNOW.
THAT WAS SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'VE BEEN TO VETERANS PART BEFORE, WHICH WAS GENERALLY A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.
WHEN WE'D HAVE THAT AT THE GAZEBO AND IT WAS SCHOOL KIDS AND IT WAS SMALLER EVENT.
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I THINK IT'S REALLY NEAT THAT WE THAT WE HAVE THAT.SOME FOCUS ON WHAT WE PUT THERE, I THINK MAKES SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PUT A STAGE, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS WONDERFUL, THEY BROUGHT THE STAGE IN AND THEY OUGHT TO.
IN THE FOOTPRINT, IT BE NICE TO HAVE TO, TO BRING ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A STAGE TO DO THEM. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT IS STATS OPINION ON THE [INAUDIBLE], I THINK GAZEBO, COMPARED TO ON THE STAGE IS STAGE PROBABLY GIVE SOME MORE.
WHOEVER THE SOUND PEOPLE WERE, HE WAS STILL GOING, WOW, WE HAD OUR OWN REAL SOUND CHECK [LAUGHTER]. HE'D LIKE TO STATE.
>> CAN I SOLID AND I KNOW IT'S JUST A NUMBER, THE 750,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR CRP FOR THAT PART.
BUT ONE THING I THINK THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AT THE PARADE SATURDAY, LOCKED UP WHO SIT IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE.
I WALKED TO THE COURTHOUSE IS A REALLY NICE MEMORIAL.
THEY HAVE THE DIFFERENT ASSESSOR I THINK THEY GOT IN AND THEY HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT WARS.
I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE STUDY SOMEBODY DID AND DESIGN OF BRINGING ART IN PART OF THE STUDY.
IT HAD ALL THE MEMORIALS WHICH I THOUGHT WAS GREAT BUT AFTER GONE ON [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH. THERE WAS ONE FOR VET, BUT AFTER AND HERE'S THE ONE THAT COUNTY HAS.
I'M AFRAID WE WOULD DIMINISH IT.
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD SPEND MILLION DOLLARS ON SO I THINK SOME PLAQUE, SOME SIGNAGE, BUT I WOULDN'T BE RELUCTANT TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S 400 YARDS AWAY THAT IT HAS SO MUCH EVEN BETTER.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT ARE THOSE PICTURES? WHEREVER IT CAME FROM, HAD A BUNCH OF GRANITE MARKERS FOR AND FLAGS OF EACH BRANCH OF SERVICE FOR GRANTED AS PART, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD WANT IT.
YOU MAY I DON'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT AND I APOLOGIZE.
>> NO, IT WASN'T SOME THINGS YOU SAW?
>> YEAH. I HAD IT IN I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENT AND RIGHT.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE BASED SOME OF THE SURVEY INFORMATION OFF OF IS WELL, AND SO ONE THING THAT I DO WANT US TO BE AWARE OF BECAUSE IT HAD THAT PARK WAS DEVELOPING DEDICATED TO VETERANS.
WE MOST CERTAINLY NEED TO ENTER LIKE I SAID, THAT WE DO STILL HAVE SOMETHING THERE.
>> YEAH. I AGREE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT ONE PICTURE WAS VERY ELABORATE.
IT COULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS.
WORTH A GRAND? WHICH I DON'T THINK IS.
>> I THINK THAT WAS JUST IN HAY TO GIVE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE DOING A LIVABLE CENTERS.
THIS IS HOW THIS AREA COULD BE USED IN THE END.
>> WHAT IT IS GREAT. IT'S LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER STEP WE GET A FEEL FOR THIS RULE.
WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT IT LOOK GREAT.
I WAS ALL FOR IT UNTIL I REALIZE, OKAY, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE NEXT DOOR, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING ALRIGHT THEN THAT MAYBE NOT THREE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A STAGE BECAUSE I WILL MAKE IT FOR US.
>> I HADN'T SEEN WHAT YOU'RE DOING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T THINK A THAT THE STAGE WAS WONDERFUL.
BUT THEY CAN BRING THAT IN FOR THE 2 MONTHS THAT THEY DO THAT.
>> RIGHT. THERE'S BEEN NO DOLLAR AMOUNT TAG TO ANY OF.
>> DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT SOUTHSIDE THE DOG PARK, WHAT TO DO WITH THE MUNICIPAL POOL SIZE?
>> I WAS WONDERING WHEN YOU SAID JUST I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW YOUR LINE THAT POSSIBLY MOVING THE ANIMAL CONTROL OVER TO WHERE THE MUNICIPAL PARK WAS,.
>> RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S CITY PROPERTY.
NOW, ANYWAYS, IF WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THE DOG PARK, BECAUSE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE PARKS BOARD IS, IS IT REALLY BIG ENOUGH? SOME OF OUR DOG PARK USERS DO NOT FEEL THAT IT IS.
WE'RE ABLE TO EXPAND ONTO THE ANDERSON LOT AND POTENTIALLY EVEN TAKE OVER THE ANIMAL CONTROL SIDE IF THAT WERE TO BE DEMOLISHED, THAT WOULD PROVIDE AMPLE ROOM FOR DOG PARK DEVELOPMENT AND USE.
IF YOU HAD TWO THAT STILL UNDER WE HAVE THAT AS AN EXISTING CITY PROPERTY, EITHER THAT COULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE SITE FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THE REACTION OF PUTTING THE ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER OVER AT THE MUNICIPAL PARK THOUGH?
>> WELL, I THINK I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TEMPERATURE OF THAT COMMUNITY WOULD BE, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE MUNICIPAL POOL SITE HAS BEEN CLOSE TO THE [LAUGHTER] PUBLIC FOR EARS AND SO I DON'T KNOW.
>> FOR THE FOLKS WHO WHO WANTED SOMETHING ELSE THERE.
>> I GUESS I'M IN I'M ALWAYS A PROPONENT FOR LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS SHOULD.
>> MAKE THE ONE THAT'S THE BEST.
BUT I GUESS I SIT THERE AND THINK.
WHO WANTS THE ANIMAL CONTROL BUILDING AS PART OF PARK LAND?
>> THIS IS NOT I SAID SO WE CAN JUST.
>> IF YOU WILL EXPLAIN THAT PARK THAT COVER THE INNOCENT WHERE YOU GOING TO MOVE THAT
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>> SOMEWHERE. GOT TO PUT IT SOMEPLACE.
>> ALRIGHT YOU ALREADY OWN THE LAND.
IT ALSO MAKE SOME MORE MARKETABLE WHEN PEOPLE DROVE BY THEN THEY WILL KNOW THAT SEE.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT I SHOULD NOTE IS THAT ACTUALLY IS NOT A DEDICATED PARK SITE.
IT IS STRICTLY OUTLINED AS MUNICIPAL POOL.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEVELOP INTO A PARK SITE THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO NAME AS THAT.
>> I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WITH THE MUNICIPAL POOL WAS OUR SOUTHSIDE FOOTPRINT.
>>IT'S CALLED MUNICIPAL POOL, BUT I THINK SHE REFERS TO WE TALK ABOUT SOUTHSIDE PARK.
IT COMES UNDER THE HEADING OF MUNICIPAL POOL.
>> SO IT COULD BE ANYWHERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
>> AND PURCHASE A NEW PIECE OF LAND.
>> I'M CAUGHT UP WITH YOU, SORRY.
>> DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FEELINGS ABOUT SELLING THE MUNICIPAL POOL SITE?
>> MAYBE WE CAN SELL IT TO THE VETERANS WHO HAVE THE FIVE ACRES RIGHT BEHIND.
>> ARE THERE ANY USES FOR THAT? WHETHER LIKE YOU SAID, YOU COULD ANIMAL CONTROL THERE, WHETHER SOMEBODY NEEDS AN OFFICE SPACE THERE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SELL IT.
BECAUSE IF YOU SELL IT AND THEN YOU WANT TO BUY ANOTHER PIECE OF LAND IN TODAY'S PRICE.
>> I HAVE A HARD TIME SELLING ANYTHING WE ALREADY HAVE.
>> OKAY, AND WHAT ABOUT THE DOG PARK? ARE YOU GUYS OPEN TO EXPANDING TO THE ANDERSON SITE AND POTENTIALLY ANIMAL CONTROL AS WELL, OR WOULD YOU LIKE THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT? I WILL SAY THE FEEDBACK OF THE PARKS BOARD, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THAT THEY WERE PROPONENTS OF UTILIZING THAT SITE AS A NEWLY RENOVATED AREA FOR THE DOG PARK TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE.
>>YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE?
>> WOULD YOU CONSIDER, I WANT TO GET CLEAR IN MY BRAIN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE ANIMAL CONTROL.
ARE YOU TEARING IT DOWN AND REBUILDING IT IN THAT PARTICULAR SPACE?
>> WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR VISION, WE'RE JUST SORTING OUT.
IF SOMEONE SAID, "WE WANT TO MAKE THAT AREA A PARK," I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU MOVE THE ANIMAL CONTROL AND DEVELOP THE WHOLE THING AS A PARK SO YOU LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND SAY, "WHERE'S THE PARKING GO? WHAT'S THE ENTRANCE? WHAT AMENITIES?" ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, AND SO JUST KIND OF SPIT BALLING. THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO REDEVELOP THE OLD MUNICIPAL POOL INTO SOME KIND OF PARK BECAUSE WE SAY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT CONSIDER MAYBE PUTTING AN ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER THERE FOR FEASIBILITY, FOR ACCESS.
AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS, BUT THE WHOLE POINT IS JUST TO THINK OF EVERYTHING HOLISTICALLY AND NOT JUST SAY, "WELL, THE ANIMAL CONTROL IS THERE AND WHATEVER." BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT BUILDING, IT'S NOT VERY FUNCTIONAL FOR ADOPTING ANIMALS.
YOU WALK INTO AN OFFICE, YOU HAVE TO GO ESCORTED BACK TO LOOK AT THE PETS.
YOU LOOK AT THE MODERN FACILITIES, WHETHER IT'S LIKE JACKSON OR AUSTIN, YOU WALK IN AND YOU SEE ALL THE PETS RIGHT THERE.
WE WON'T KEEP THROWING GOOD MONEY AT A BAD THING.
>> WELL THE OTHER THING YOU CONSIDER IN THAT CASE, AND I'M CATCHING UP WITH INTEREST, ARE THE WORKERS THERE? THAT'S REALLY HARD ON THEM AS WELL.
>> TO HAVE TO KEEP GOING BACK AND GETTING THE ANIMALS AND I MEAN ITS JUST NOT JUST FEASIBLE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S JUST NOT USER-FRIENDLY.
>> AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS USED THAT PARK AS A DOG PARK, I GUESS MY FEEDBACK, MY TWO CENTS WERE IS, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT THAT IS A PARK.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A DOG PARK BUT I'M FINE, I UNDERSTAND NOT EVERYBODY DOES.
WHETHER THAT AREA IS DEVELOPED AS A DOG PARK OR IF YOU PUT AN AREA CLOSER TO WHEREVER YOU WOULD RELOCATE ANIMAL CONTROL.
I GUESS I AM IN SUPPORT AND I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO MOVE.
>> NO, I THINK THEY JUST WANTED OUR INPUT, SO YEAH.
>> DO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE [INAUDIBLE] FOR FUTURE DOG PARK EXPANSION?
>> WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THERE YET.
>> SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DECIDING,
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BUT I DO APPROVE THE IDEA OF->> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ALL TO COUNCIL TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH A SUGGESTED AREA? THERE MAY BE ANOTHER SUGGESTED AREA, THE CURRENT OPENNESS FOR A POOL.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S A DEFICIENCY FOR SOUTHSIDE PARK, AND SO WE BUILD ON THE OLD MUNICIPAL POOL OR DO WE THINK DIFFERENTLY AND SAY, LET'S FIND A BIGGER LOT IN A BETTER PLACE?
>> THE OTHER THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THAT OR THAT IS THAT YOU HAVE THAT NEW SUBDIVISION THAT IS BEING BUILT RIGHT THERE, YOU'VE GOT SOUTHSIDE PARK.
THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE THAT WE ALREADY GRANTED A WAIVER FOR THEM.
THEY CAME BACK AND WANTED SIDEWALKS AND IT WAS GRANTED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS.
NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE CITY PAYING FOR SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT, [INAUDIBLE] KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT?
>> I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE CITY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS.
>> ANYWAY, THAT IS A SUBDIVISION THAT IT WILL ACCESS THAT PART, THAT AREA SO IT MAKES REALLY GOOD SENSE TO HAVE THAT AREA BE ACCESSIBLE SINCE WE'RE ADDING-
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE'RE ADDING SOME OTHER AMENITIES TO THAT BARRIER.
>> HEY, HOW BIG IS THE OLD MUNICIPAL POOL FOOTPRINT? HOW BIG IS THAT AREA?
>>THERE'S DWYER GOING RIGHT THROUGH IT, SO THAT PROVIDES CONSTRAINTS.
>> WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND THERE, YOU THINK IT KIND OF FEELS BIG BECAUSE IT'S OPEN SPACE SO THANK YOU.
>> YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING ON IT.
>> INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.
ANIMAL CONTROL, IF IT'S REBUILT IN A NICE NEW BUILDING RIGHT THERE AS PART OF A BIG EXPANDED DOG PARK, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME PEOPLE SAY, "I'D LOVE TO GO AND SEE IF I CAN ADOPT A DOG." WOULD THE TWO THINGS NOT BE COMPATIBLE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, NEEDS A NEW BUILDING.
OKAY, BUT WHAT IF IT WAS ON THE SAME BUILDING?
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF OR TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE GO THAT ROUTE, IS THAT THE DESIGN HAS TO BE DONE IN A WAY WHERE WE ARE NOT INTRODUCING DOGS THAT ARE ILL WITH THOSE WHO ARE NOT, IN VISITING A DOG PARK WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW.
IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU HAVE DOGS THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN FROM ALL AREAS THAT ARE NOT VACCINATED, DON'T HAVE UP-TO-DATE VACCINES.
>> OKAY. THEY'RE NOT READY FOR ADOPTION?
>> RIGHT, AND SO WE THEN TREAT THEM AT OUR FACILITY.
>> BUT WE'VE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO DO THEM TOGETHER, THAT IT'S DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT IS MUCH MORE FUNCTIONAL THAN WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
>> IF YOU DID THAT AS A DOG PARK, WOULD IT ALSO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHILDREN THAT ARE IN THAT NEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE KIDS THAT ARE WALKING HOME FROM SOUTH SIDE? WOULD IT STRICTLY BE A DOG PARK?
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THE SURVEY SAID IT WAS BASICALLY SPLIT 50 PERCENT.
SOME WANTED A STANDALONE DOG PARK, SOME WANTED IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PARK.
I WILL SAY PARKS BOARD, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG CHRIS, THEY WANTED A STANDALONE DOG PARK.
>> I HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK WITH THE VETERINARIAN AND WE TOUCHED ON IT AND HER OPINION WAS, THAT WAS JUST HERS, WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A CESSPOOL.
IT BREEDS GERMS SAYING SHE HAS A LOT OF EVERYTHING PARASITES THAT DOGS HAVE.
AS MEGAN SAID, IF WE MIX SICK DOGS THAT ARE BROUGHT IN FROM ELSEWHERE, PLUS SHE HAD CONSTRAINTS ON THEM.
IF YOU WANT A NICE BUILDING LIKE MS. [INAUDIBLE] SAID, WHERE THEY COME IN AND THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND SEE THE DOG'S VERY CLEAN, VERY SANITARY AND YOU CAN VIEW ANIMALS MUCH BETTER.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW BETWEEN A PARK AND A BUILDING PROBABLY SHOULD BE TORN DOWN.
IT'S REALLY NOT SERVING IT'S PURPOSE.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO IT I THINK A DOG PARK SHOULD BE, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT A STANDALONE DOG PARK IN A FACILITY SHOULD BE SOMETHING SEPARATE BECAUSE A DOG PARK DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PRIMARY.
IT COULD BE OUTSIDE WELLS PARK, IT COULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YOU GOT PLACES PEOPLE WOULD GO TO IF IT HAS AMENITIES, BUT YOU WANT THE FACILITY ITSELF TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND PEOPLE FIND IT. THAT WAS MY OPINION.
>> YEAH. AS I UNDERSTAND TO ME I LOVE THE IDEA OF [INAUDIBLE].
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I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE POSSIBLY OF RELOCATING [NOISE] THE ANIMAL SHELTER TO WHERE THE CITY POOL USED TO BE.THAT DRIVEWAY, THAT ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THERE IS GOOD FOR DROPPING OFF ANIMALS, [LAUGHTER] FOR THE PICK UP.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IS CONSIDERED.
IT'S FOR CONSIDERATION. I LIKE THAT AND THEN I LIKE HAVING THE DOG PARK.
I LIKE GIVING THE CURRENT SHELTER A NEW FACILITY, A NEW LOCATION, I THINK THAT'S VERY CLEVER USE OF SPACE THAT WE ALREADY OWN.
THEN UTILIZING THE ADDED SPACE WHERE THE CURRENT SHELTER IS WHEN WE TAKE THAT DOWN FOR WHENEVER IT GETS DEVELOPED THERE IN THE PARK AREA.
>> OKAY. DO YOU GUYS AGREE THIS IS THE LAST ITEM, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CONSENSUS WITH SOUTH SIDE THAT THERE'LL BE TRAILS, PLAYGROUND UNITS 4, 5 AND 12, 2 AND 5, SPLASH PAD.
THINK THOSE WERE SOME OF THE TOP FIVE AMENITIES.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE LAST ONE WAS.
>> SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT VETERANS DOG PARK AND MUNICIPAL POOLSIDE.
I JUST WANT TO AROUND IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE- [OVERLAPPING]
>> SO THIS WAS FOR THE SOUTH PARK?
>> YES, ANYWHERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> ANYWHERE TO BE NAMED IN THE FUTURE. OKAY.
>> OKAY, AND SWINGS WAS THE LAST ONE. GREAT.
>> I SAY WHATEVER GETS US HOME QUICKER, THEN WE ARE ALL GOOD FOR THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'VE CAPTURED IT.
[14. Discussion and possible action on park development on Anderson, Kiber and other south side alternatives.]
>> ALL RIGHT. ITEM 14, ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON? DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION OF PARK DEVELOPMENT ANDERSON KHYBER AND OTHER SOUTH SIDE ALTERNATIVE. MS. MEGAN.
>> YES. THIS JUST FEEDS INTO WHAT WE WERE RECENTLY TALKING ABOUT.
THE ANDERSON KHYBER PROPERTIES ARE ABOUT 5.3 ACRES TOGETHER, WHICH MEETS OUR MINIMUM PARK STANDARDS THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS APPROVING.
SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR AN EXPANDED, RENOVATED OFFICER CASH MEMORIAL DOG PARK.
LIKE YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE NEED TO ADDRESS ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER SO THAT PROPERTY COULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT SITE.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS RESEARCHED SOME OTHER AREAS ON SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN THAT COULD BE ACQUIRED AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER PURCHASING THE LAND AT AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED AT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD COME UP.
WE WOULD CONSIDER UTILIZING PARK LANDS DEDICATION FUNDS TO PAY FOR THIS PARK DEVELOPMENT.
ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS IF THERE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE BONDED OUT, LAND ACQUISITION CAN BE PART OF THAT, DOES NOT HAVE TO BE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER.
THE ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO PARKS BOARD LAST MONDAY AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MADE A MOTION TO DEVELOP KHYBER AND ANDERSON LOTS FOR A LARGER IMPROVED DOG PARK AND PURSUE ALTERNATE LAND PARCELS FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD ALSO DISCUSSED CONSIDER SELLING, DEVELOPING, OR BUILDING OTHER CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL POOL SITE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS AVLC PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENT ON ANDERSON AND KHYBER.
ADDITIONALLY, INPUT ON PURSUING THE PURCHASE OF LAND ON SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS THAT'S JUST COMING BACK TO YOU WITH SPECIFICS ON WHERE THAT SITE IS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT DISCLOSE AT THIS TIME SO THAT WE COULD STILL BE A COMPETITIVE BUYER.
I APOLOGIZE, THAT IS LISTED TWICE.
WE MOVE TO APPROVE KHYBER AND ANDERSON LOTS FOR FUTURE DOG PARK EXPANSION AND REDEVELOPMENT AND PURSUE ALTERNATE LAND PARCELS TO DEVELOP A PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND A POSSIBLE MOTION.
>> I THINK WE DISCUSSED THE PARKS BOARD.
YOU START WITH A CLEAN SLATE, YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND YOU CAN DRAW SOMETHING FROM THAT VERSUS THE THINGS THAT ARE CONSTRAINTS AT THE IMPACT THE CURRENT SITE.
WE FELT THERE WAS MORE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THERE, NOT EVER SEEN THAT DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE], BUT I'M SURE IF THEY ARE CONSIDERING IT, IT MUST BE APPROPRIATE FOR ALL THEY WANT, BUT IT HAS MADE MORE SENSE.
>> I DO BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT AROUND IT MAY HAVE IN YOUR AGENDA SUMMARY.
THE SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A LITTLE OVER SEVEN ACRES OR RIGHT UNDER SEVEN.
IT IS LARGER THAN THE KHYBER AND ANDERSON LOTS COMBINED, WHICH IS 5.3.
>> WE HAVE SIDEWALKS THERE TOO, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR EASIER ACCESSIBILITY.
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>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? [LAUGHTER]
>> [INAUDIBLE] ANDERSON LOTS FOR FUTURE DOG PARKS EXPANSION AND REDEVELOPMENT AND PURSUIT ALTERNATE LAND PARCELS TO DEVELOP A PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, THE LAND PURCHASE NOT TO EXCEED $175,000 [INAUDIBLE].
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[15. Discussion and possible action on closing Chenango between County parking lot access and egress allowing for Veterans Park expansion.]
DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION AND CLOSING [INAUDIBLE] BETWEEN COUNTY PARKING LOT ACCESS AND EGRESS ALLOWING FOR VETERANS PARK EXPANSION.>> YES. THIS WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP AND DISCUSSED WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD REGARDING CLOSURE OF SHENANGO.
WHILE WE DON'T HAVE UPDATED GOOGLE IMAGES, PLEASE ENVISION AN AERIAL OF THE NEW COUNTY PARKING LOT.
SANDWICHED BETWEEN SHENANGO AND AKOLA THERE IS A PARKING LOT ENTRANCE AND EXIT, TWO OF THEM ON THE SHENANGO, THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU ALL TO CONSIDER IS CLOSURE BETWEEN THOSE TWO ENTRANCES.
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE CLOSURE ON THE FRONT END OF THAT STREET.
>> ALL THE WAY FROM CEDAR TO LOCUS, YES, FOR COUNTY.
>> YOU ARE JUST EXTENDING THE CLOSURE A LITTLE BIT.
>> THAT COULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET IS NOT A FULL ROAD CLOSURE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
>> MEGAN, WHAT'S THE MAJOR PURPOSE OF CLOSING IT? [BACKGROUND]
>> PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, VETERANS PARK USE WHEN WE DO HAVE LARGE EVENTS WHILE STILL ALLOWING FOR VEHICULAR ACCESS INTO THE PARKING LOT.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THE REASON FOR THE CLOSURE ON THE FRONT END OF THAT IS FOR TRANSPORTING OF PRISONERS AND MOVING PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH FROM WHERE THE JURY POOLS ARE IN THAT.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE HAVE YOU DISCUSSED OR HAS ANYBODY DISCUSSED WITH THE COURTHOUSE PEOPLE? HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THEIR DAY-TO-DAY FUNCTIONING?
>> WE TALKED TO THE COUNTY ENGINEERS ABOUT CLOSING THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
AGAIN, BECAUSE WE SAID WE WOULDN'T OBSTRUCT THE EXITS ON THE WEST SIDE, BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH ONE.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WITH THE CLOSURE OF THAT SHENANGO PIECE FOR COURTHOUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO EAST OR WEST OR SOUTH TO GET OUT.
THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS.
>> IT'S EFFECTIVELY CLOSED WHEN WE HAVE A CONCERT, CORRECT?
>> WE HAVE POLICE CARS SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO IMPEDE ANY TRAFFIC.
>> I THINK IT JUST ADDS THE OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARK.
>> I THINK AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER WITH THE PEOPLE AT THE COURTHOUSE, THAT JUST MAKES IT A NICER AREA WHEN THEY'RE GOING OUT TO HAVE LUNCH.
>> I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO MOVE, DO I HAVE TO MOVE?
>> SHE'S ASKING FOR POSSIBLE ACTION.
>> I'M RECOMMENDING. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO EXTEND THE CLOSURE OF SHENANGO.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM LOCUS TO MAGNOLIA OR IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM- [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHY DID YOU ALL CHOOSE TO STOP IT THERE?
>> YEAH, FOR THE COUNTY PARKING LOT THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN TO KEEP THE EXITS TO STILL ALLOW ACCESS TO THE COUNTY PARKING LOT.
>> THEY HAVE ACCESS FROM THE OTHER SIDE, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE A CROSS THROUGH.
IF THEY HAVE AN ACCIDENT ON THE OTHER SIDE THEY HAVE ANOTHER WAY OUT TOO [BACKGROUND].
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>> WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT PART OF THE STREET WHERE THEY CAN'T GO, IT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO GO ANYWHERE.
>> THIS PICTURE IS BEFORE THEY CHANGED IT.
THE ENTRANCE IS DOWN HERE FURTHER.
THIS WAS BEFORE THEY TORE OUT THOSE THINGS, AND THE METHODIST CHURCH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OVER HERE AND THEY HAVE A DAYCARE AND FOLKS USUALLY CIRCLE THROUGH AND COME AROUND.
IT'D PROBABLY BE NICE IF THAT WASN'T TOTALLY.
>> IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE FURTHER DOWN BECAUSE IT IS AWKWARD IF WE JUST STOP IN HERE.
>> THEN THIS IS THE [INAUDIBLE]
>> SO HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE MOTION TO BE? GRANT-MAKING?
>> I GUESS BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK, I'M HAPPY WITH IT BEING AS YOU GUYS HAVE IT DRAWN AND WORKING [INAUDIBLE] ALLOWING THAT LAST ACCESS FOR THE METHODIST CHURCH [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THOUGHT THE HIGHLIGHTED PART WAS GREATER THAN THAT, SO THIS IS THE AMOUNT RIGHT HERE.
>> THIS IS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
>> SO WE'LL GO IN HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN [OVERLAPPING], SO NOT TO THE END?
>> SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION; WHY DIDN'T WE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END? THAT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL ENTRANCES [OVERLAPPING].
INSTEAD OF IT BEING HERE, THE ENTRANCE IS HERE.
>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT AS WELL.
>> I SECOND THE MOTION. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE JUST RECOMMENDED THAT, ARE WE?
>> BUT WELL, [LAUGHTER] I SECOND THE RECOMMENDATION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PHOEBE, IT'S SECONDED BY DR. JACKSON.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[16. Discussion and possible action on funding field five lights at Bates Park softball complex.]
THE BEST ONE, THE LAST ITEM 16, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON FUNDING FIELD FIVE LIGHTS AT BATES PARK SOFTBALL COMPLEX.>> YES. THE STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO APPROACH ABLC ABOUT FUNDING FIELD FIVE LIGHTS AT BATES PARK SOFTBALL COMPLEX OUT OF ABLC FUND BALANCE.
THIS WAS BROUGHT UP DURING BUDGET WORKSHOP AND SO WE HAVE BROUGHT THE GENERAL AMOUNT TO YOU WHILE WE CANNOT PROVIDE YOU THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO GO OUT FOR A COMPETITIVE PRICING.
WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A GENERAL AMOUNT THAT WAS PROVIDED WHEN WE SOLICITED QUOTES.
>> THIS IS MY QUESTION, ARE WE PAYING FOR THE BASKETBALL IN THAT AREA?
>> NO, THAT CAME OUT OF GENERAL FUND FOR A BALANCE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY PRICES INCREASED BEFORE WE PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TO WAIT ON THE GRANT TO DETERMINE IF WE WERE GOING TO BE AWARDED GRANT FUNDS.
WE WERE NOT, AND THAT WAS IN THE PEAK OF INFLATION AND SO WE HAVE COVERED THE EXCESS OF CROSS OUT OF PARKLAND DEDICATION.
>> THE EXCESS OF INCREASED COSTS DUE TO JUST INFLATED MATERIALS OUT OF PARKLAND'S DEDICATION FUNDS.
>> OKAY, SO THE PAVILION'S PAID FOR OUT OF?
>> OUT OF GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
>> WELL, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, WE WANT TO DISBURSE OUR FUNDS AROUND THE CITY IN AN EQUITABLE WAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE MONEY FOR FREEDOM PARK.
THE FREEDOM PARK IS JUST THE INITIAL AS IT MAY CURB A NEW ONE.
IT'S PRETTY BIG EXPENDITURE LIKE [INAUDIBLE] IS A BIG A BIG EXPENDITURE, SAPPHO DOESN'T GET A LOT.
THAT'S JUST ME. I'D LIKE US BEING FAIR AND EQUAL WITH OUR GROUPS AGAIN.
IS THIS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE TOURNAMENT FIELDS OR?
>> YES. IDEALLY, IT WOULD HELP US TO REALLY ADVERTISE ADDITIONAL TOURNAMENTS.
WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE DISTRICT REP.
WHEN WE HAVE THE STATE TOURNAMENT FOR 6U.
WAS IT 6U OR WAS IT 8U? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH.
ANYWAY 6U. THEY PLAN ON HOSTING IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR IN ANGLETON AS WELL.
>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH HIM OUT?
>> THE 175 FOR NOT TO EXCEED ON LAND PURCHASE
>> NO. WE ARE PROPOSING TO TAKE THAT OUT [OVERLAPPING] OF
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PARKLAND'S DEDICATION OR WHEN WE DO IF WE DECIDE TO GO OUT FOR A BOND, WE CAN ROLL IT INTO THAT COST.>> OR IF WE SELL THE WHOLE [INAUDIBLE]
>> RIGHT. WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE WILL BRING TO YOU.
I'VE ALWAYS LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND FOR NEEDED AND GOOD PROJECTS, SO I AM FOR THIS TOO.
WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS, AS THESE THINGS COME, IS THAT WE START WITH WHAT IS OUR FUND BALANCE? WHERE ARE WE AT? IN MY MIND, WE CAN STILL PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 554,000 BUT THE IDEA, JUST LIKE I NEVER LET MY CHECKBOOK GET BELOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GETTING IT DOWN TO ZERO, BUT I THINK THIS IS WELL-SPENT AND WE HAVEN'T DONE SOMETHING FOR SOFTBALL IN A WHILE. HE WANTS TO DISCUSS.
>> I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT.
BUNNY CHURCH WAS PART OF THIS FOR A WHILE.
HAD SHE BEEN HERE, SHE WOULD REALLY RALLY FOR THIS.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE FETTER POOL, ANGLETON WON STATE CHAMPIONS, WHAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO?
>> WELL, YEAH, WE'VE WON IT TWICE.
>> YES. SINCE THIS IS A GREAT FETTER POOL AND YOU SEE THE GIRLS, YOUNG LADIES GET THESE SCHOLARSHIPS GOING OFF TO COLLEGE AND SUCH.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU JUST WANT TO DO THIS IN JUST SOME GOOD LIGHTHEARTED SPIRIT, SO YEAH, I'M ALL FOR IT AS WELL.
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SECOND TO ME.
>> ARE WE APPROVING THE FUNDING?
>> TO APPROVE THE FUNDING FOR BATES PARK SOFTBALL FIELD FIVE LIGHTS, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY.
>> WE CAN'T APPROVE IT OUT OF ANYBODY ELSE'S [BACKGROUND].
>> IF SHE PULLS THE EXPENDITURE TIME [OVERLAPPING] ANYWAY.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
>> OPPOSE THE SAME SIDE. THAT MOTION PASSES.
WE HAD A SIMILAR AGENDA ON MONDAY OF LAST WEEK, AND IT TOOK ME ONE HOUR AND 58 MINUTES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THIS BOARD HERE.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE FIVE, BUT WE'VE BEEN HERE A BIT.
>> ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT [INAUDIBLE]
>> THREE AND A HALF HOURS, RIGHT?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.