ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A QUORUM, IT'S 5:39 ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 19TH, WE'LL CALL OUR
[1. Declaration of a quorum and call to order.]
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MEETING TO ORDER.THE ONLY MEMBER MISSING IS [INAUDIBLE] OR YEAH, SO.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT AND POSSIBLY ACT ON OUR PREVIOUS PROPOSED
[2. Discussion and possible action on the previously proposed charter amendments.]
AMENDMENTS. YES? SO, I HAVE A COMMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S TIMELY OR APPROPRIATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I THINK YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION A WEEK OR SO AGO, BUT I THINK I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD PUBLICIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN SOME FORM OR FASHION SO THAT THE PUBLIC AND EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE WORK WE'RE DOING.I THINK WE'RE DOING A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.
ARE WE DOING THESE FACEBOOK LIVE OR WHAT HOWEVER COUNCIL'S DONE LIKE WHERE PEOPLE CAN? SO IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS DISCUSSED WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT IT ON FACEBOOK AND JUST TO GIVE YOU, I GUESS, THE OPTION TO HAVE THAT OPEN BUT CLOSED MEETING WITHOUT OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE.
WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THERE, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO SOMEONE COULD GO WATCH LIKE THE RECORDING.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN WATCH IT LIVE.
OH THEY CAN WATCH IT LIVE ON THE WEBSITE.
THEY JUST HAVE TO GO TO THE WEBSITE? OK. BUT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A PUBLIC MEETING, SO IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AND ON MIC]. OKAY.
I VOLUNTEERED TO DO A TIK TOK.
OH LORDY. I MEAN, ARE TIK TOKS ALLOWED TO BE THAT LONG? I DON'T EVEN KNOW. THEY HAVE LIKE THIS NEW ONE WHERE YOU ANSWER REALLY POPULAR QUESTIONS WITH THIS LIKE WEIRD HAND THING AND SOME MUSIC BEHIND IT.
I COULD TOTALLY DO THAT FOR US.
JUST LET ME KNOW. I AGREE WITH CHRIS'S SENTIMENT, AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT TO BASICALLY GET COMMUNITY BUY IN AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AND HOW A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR COUNCIL REALLY ARE JUST TO BRING THINGS INTO LINE WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW.
BRING US IN COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE STATUTE.
SO HOWEVER, I AM NOT A TECHNOLOGY PERSON.
SO HOWEVER, THAT WOULD BE BEST TO CONVEY.
I MEAN, IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH EXTRA WORK OR ANY EXTRA WORK TO MAKE IT SOME SORT OF LIVE FEED ON THE FACEBOOK, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO THAT.
SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? I THINK YOUR OTHER CITY FACEBOOK PAGE, YOU USUALLY HAVE, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS TOWN HALL MEETING OR, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON THIS WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR CHARTER COMMISSION OR ANY OF YOUR OTHER COMMISSION.
I DON'T KNOW. I JUST KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION WOULD BE INTERESTED IN? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT MICHELLE IS TALKING ABOUT ON FACEBOOK.
I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, LIKE PROMOTING IT AS WELL.
YOU MEAN SHOWING IT ON FACEBOOK LIVE FOR THE WHOLE MEETING AND THEN PROMOTING IT PRIOR TO THE MEETING OR BETWEEN MEETINGS? WELL, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD SAY, WHATEVER THE OTHER COMMISSIONS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THEM DO? WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT ON FACEBOOK.
SO IT'S PASSING THIS OFF, RIGHT? BUT NOW YOU CAN SAY, LIKE THERE'LL BE A MESSAGE THAT SAYS WE'LL BE LIVE AT SIX O'CLOCK FOR THE WHATEVER.
SO IS THAT THE EFFECT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING JUST MORE OR LESS PASSIVE AS OPPOSED TO BEING OUT THERE? WELL, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL'S THOUGHTS ARE, WHETHER BECAUSE TO WE'RE GOING TO THROW THIS OUT HERE TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AT SOME POINT. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE JUST GETTING RID OF THE 1965-ISM.
SOME OF THEM ARE TERM LIMITS AND TERMS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DO WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT IT? DO WE JUST NEED TO BE SORT OF THE PASSIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PUBLIC? IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WASN'T OUR FIRST MEETING ON FACEBOOK LIVE? I'M PRETTY SURE. I FEEL LIKE WE HAD AT LEAST ONE THAT WAS AND I SAW COMMENTARY WHENEVER I WENT BACK AND LOOKED THE OF PEOPLE CHIMING IN THROUGHOUT THE MEETING.
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SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CITIZENS ARE RECEPTIVE TO.AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THEM BEING AWARE OF HOW MUCH TIME AND LABOR THAT WE'VE PUT INTO THIS AND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE ESSENTIALLY A COMPANION ALMOST TO LIKE A VOTER GUIDE, WHICH COULD BE A PUBLICATION THAT EXPLAINS WHY WE DID SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE CAN EDUCATE, WE CAN'T NAVIGATE.
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN IS, I GUESS, NOT ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE PRO OR ANTI, BUT JUST ESSENTIALLY SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE, THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW.
THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING.
SO, SO ALSO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA, I THINK YOU ALL CAN HELP ME OUT ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK FACEBOOK LIVE HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR US AS FAR AS GETTING THE WORD OUT AND HAVING PEOPLE WATCH AND LEARN AND WHATEVER.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T ACT UPON COMMENTS.
SO IF WE SEE COMMENTS COMING IN AND WE'RE WATCHING IT LIVE, WE DON'T GO BACK.
WE DON'T INTERJECT AND SAY, WELL, SO-AND-SO SAID WHATEVER.
BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS I READ AFTER THE MEETING.
I DON'T, AGAIN TECHNOLOGY AND I ARE NOT FRIENDS.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE GOOD OF THE GROUP.
SO I DON'T. I THINK IT WAS ALSO LIKE REALLY TO PROTECT YOU ALL.
SO YOU ALL HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY TO TALK FREELY WITHOUT HAVING CITIZENS.
TRYING BADGER. CHIME IN LIVE AND ALTER WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
BUT I MEAN, SO WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO THAT.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT IS DOING TOWN HALL MEETINGS AS WELL.
AFTER WE COMPLETED THE PROCESS, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IS TO EDUCATE THE CITIZENS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'LL JUST DO WHAT WE DID LAST TUESDAY.
NO, NO. SO YOU ALL HAVE THE PULSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SEE THESE CHANGES COMING OUT.
I THINK, MY PERSONAL OPINION, IS THERE IS A SECTION OF OUR POPULATION WHO WILL BE SHOCKED, PERHAPS AND PLEASANTLY SO BY THAT NUMBER OF CHANGES EVEN NON SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. SO I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF ALMOST GETTING OUT AHEAD OF IT TO THE TRANSPARENCY OF IT, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT REACTING TO THE COMMENTARY, AS LONG AS IT'S JUST A WAY ALMOST FOR PEOPLE TO VENT, MAYBE THEY COULD SAY THEIR PIECE IN THAT FORUM.
AND YEAH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRUTH BE KNOWN THAT THE SHOCK IS GOING TO COME FROM THE VOTING CITIZENS ANYWAY.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHO PEOPLE VOTE, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HUGE POPULATION AND IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE AND THESE SAME PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE OTHER POPULATION.
BE OBLIVIOUS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND SO, LIKE CHRIS HAD MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE GETTING AHEAD OF BEING PROACTIVE AND JUST EASING IT ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE THAT FEW, YOU CAN HAVE FEW COMPLAINTS ANYWAYS.
THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST THE CURVE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BELL SHAPED CURVE COMING INTO PLAY.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK, LIKE YOU GUYS MENTIONED, WE NEED TO GET IT OUT THERE.
WE CAN SLOWLY GET IT OUT THERE NOW SO THEY CAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, EASE IT IN.
SO THAT WAY THEY WON'T TELL YOU THAT SHOCK, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE FEW THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
SO THEN PERHAPS GOING BACK TO FACEBOOK LIVE, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, WOULD BE THE BEST WAY. COULD WE LIKE WITHIN WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IN TERMS OF EDUCATION, LIKE AFTER THE MEETING, LIKE JUST FILM, LIKE 30 SECONDS SAYING THIS WAS THE HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT WE DID TONIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S MORE DIGESTIBLE IF YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP PEOPLE INFORMED VERSUS WATCHING A TWO HOUR MEETING.
SAY THAT COLOR TIE JUST REMINDS ME OF UT, AND I'M HAVING A BALL.
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[LAUGHTER]. WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US BEAT BAMA, SO.SOME OF US BEAT THE TEAM WHO BEAT BAMA.
YES, IT'S A VERY REAL ROUND TIE.
SO WE'LL PIPE DOWN ABOUT FOOTBALL WINS.
SO ONE OF US WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AFTERWARDS IF WE WANTED.
IT'S JUST THE CITY CAN'T SPEND MONEY. OK. BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO YOUR OWN PRIVATE TIK TOK, I WILL WATCH IT. I'M SAYING, YOU ALL CAN FEATURE, TOO, IF YOU LIKE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO PRETTY MUCH IN ACCORDANCE TO WHAT THE OTHER CHARTERS OR OTHER COMMISSIONS ARE DOING AS WELL.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY HAPPENING, RIGHT? THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE BALLOTS ARE GOING TO BE ON EACH ONE OF THESE SEPARATE BALLOTS.
AND I LIKE THE WAY CHRIS PUT IT WAS 1960-ISMS . GETTING RID OF THE SPECIAL POLICE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH OF A SHOCK FOR PEOPLE SO YOU MENTIONED A TOWN HALL, DO YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE DO A TOWN HALL PRIOR TO THE PRESENTATION OF COUNCIL? WHEN WE ADOPTED THE CHARTER CULTURE IN CHANGE OF COUNCIL AT LARGE TO DISTRICTS AND GOING ON THE ROAD AND IT WAS OPPOSITION TO IT, SO THERE WAS A GROUP.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TIK TOK BACK THEN, BUT THEY HAD THEIR.
I OK. SO THERE'S A GROUP THAT CALLED THEMSELVES THE FEDERALIST PAPERS THAT WOULD WRITE, IT WAS THE MAYOR THAT WAS AGAINST IT.
WELL, I'M SORRY [INAUDIBLE] STILL PART OF THE USA AND IT SAYS WE'RE SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION AND THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION SAYS WE'RE SUBJECT TO THE US CONSTITUTION.
SO, YEAH, WE'RE SUBJECT TO THE LAWS.
AND SO YOU THINK? SO, YES, TOWN HALLS ARE GOOD, WE HAD WON AT MEADOWS PLACE.
THEY GOT INTO SOME SUBSTANCE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, THE VOTERS, THEY WERE WANTING INFORMATION.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION; WAS IT INFORMATION GATHERING FOR THE ATTENDEES? OR DID THEY ACTUALLY GIVE COMMENTARY AND FEEDBACK THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THEN INCORPORATED INTO THEIR SUGGESTIONS THE CITY COUNCIL? THAT WOULD SEEM.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, SO 78 DAYS BEFORE, SO THEY SENT IT IN TIME WHERE THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ELECTION SO THERE WOULDN'T BE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE MONITORING. BECAUSE WE DID IT ALL BECAUSE OF [INAUDIBLE].
AND SO THEY ALL YOU CAN SEE AND ZOOM IN WOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING, THEY DIDN'T APPEAR AT ALL.
BUT THEN THE TOWN HALL, IT WAS ON THE DAIS, ME AND THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.
THEY GAVE THEIR SPEECH AND WE DEBATED WHETHER TO DO IT AN FAQ.
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO DO A FAQ, BUT AFTER THE TOWN HALL DECIDED TO DO AN FAQ.
AND THE ONE QUESTION THAT STUCK IN MY MIND WAS, HOW WILL THIS CHARTER MAKE THE CITY
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BETTER? SO IN THIS CASE, HOW WILL THESE CHARTER CHANGES THAT ARE? IS THAT A QUESTION WE CAN'T ANSWER WITHOUT ABDICATING? I MEAN, IS IT? NO.YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A THEME OF THE CASE ONCE THAT PERSON IS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH TO A JURY.
SO THIS WAS THAT QUESTION ON THE.
SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT AFTER THE MEETING, AND I SAT DOWN THERE AND I WENT THROUGH THEIR CHARTER AND I CAME UP WITH ABOUT TWENTY FOUR DIFFERENT POWERS OR ISSUES THAT THE CITY HAD. IF IT WENT HOME RULE AND HAD THAT POWER THAT IT WOULDN'T . YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY INITIATIVE REFERENDUM, THE GREAT CALL THAT WE WILL DISCUSS TONIGHT. PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT UNLESS THEY LIVE IT.
YOU CAN ESTABLISH TERM LIMITS, YOU'RE SETTING THE TERM.
WE ARE STUDYING THE COMPOSITION OF COUNCIL.
WE'RE FORMALLY ADOPTING CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE BULLET POINTS THAT PEOPLE CAN SPIT OUT.
THEN THEY HAD MEADOWS FARADAY.
SATURDAY, THEY HAD FISH PARTIES AND INDIVIDUALS HANDED OUT PLACARDS.
THE OPPOSITION CAME IN AND SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DISCLAIMER PAID FOR BY SO AND SO.
MODERNIZING IT IS NOT A BAD WORD.
BUT YOU COULD SAY THERE, TWENTY FIVE, TWENTY SIX THINGS THAT REFERENCED NINE THINGS THAT WERE DONE IN 1965.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE DOING OUR LEGAL DUTY TO MODERNIZE THE CHARTER.
BUT YOU CAN'T SAY IS AS AN OFFICIAL ACT, THIS WILL MAKE THE CHARTER STRONGER FOR THE CITY. THIS WILL MAKE THE CITY BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE OFFERING.
I THINK MODERN IS VERY SYNONYMOUS WITH UPDATING.
SO IF SOMEONE HERE MODERNIZING OR UPDATING, I THINK THEY'RE GETTING A BETTER.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'D ASK IS MAYBE THE NEXT AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE KIND OF LOOK AT THE FINAL TIMELINE FOR APPROVAL AND DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO A TOWN HALL OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SOCIALIZE THIS PUBLICLY TO SAY SOME OF THOSE BULLET POINTS OF FACTS.
TWENTY SIX TIMES THAT 19 THINGS IN 1965 OR 80 OR WHATEVER THE YEAR WAS, WE'RE REFERENCED CHANGING TO, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING TERM LIMITS, BUT WE'RE CHANGING TERMS. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL TO ME SALIENT POINTS THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A SALE.
I THINK IT'S JUST, WE STAY AT THAT LEVEL FACTUAL.
AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING FROM 1965, WE PULLED IT UP WHERE WE CROSSED IT OUT OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? AS LONG AS WE SAY UPDATING, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE HAVE THAT, WE'RE NOT EVEN CHANGING.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY CHANGE, YOU MEAN SOME PEOPLE JUST DO NOT LIKE CHANGE.
THEY LIKE UPDATE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PLAY ON WORDS, BUT.
SO MICHELLE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I AGREE.
OK, SO MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT FINALIZING THE SCHEDULE, EITHER
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MEETINGS AND OR PUBLIC EVENTS.BECAUSE WE HAVE SIX MONTHS, RIGHT, TO PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL AND WE BEGAN IN JULY.
WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET IT APPROVED BY.
I'M SURE SOMEONE'S KEEPING A FOR CALLING A SPECIAL ELECTION.
SO WE GOT TO PLAY IT ON AGAIN, DECEMBER OR SOMETHING AND ALL THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A FEW THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT THERE IS SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT MAY BE CRUCIAL TO THE SCHEDULE.
DO WE HAVE A MEETING FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY? SO WE'LL GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER AND.
SO THAT TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 2ND, 6:00 PM WILL BE OUR NEXT MEETING? BUT YEAH, I WON'T BE HERE, I'M WORKING NIGHTS.
WELL, THIS IS THE SECOND THAT'S GROUNDBREAKING, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S IT. THAT'S DONE BY, I THINK, 5:45 THE LATEST TO GET BACK HERE.
YES. SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.
AND IN THAT MEETING, WE WENT BACK TO TALK ABOUT SECTION 4.02, 03 AND 09 FOLLOWING UP FROM THE AUGUST 17TH MEETING.
SO WE REALLY NEED. I'M SORRY TO GO BACKWARDS, BUT WE GO FORWARD, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT 4.02 BECAUSE YOU HAD SOME DISCUSSION AND I WENT AND MADE CHANGES.
SO NOW THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL BE APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR AN INDEFINITE TERM.
AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE CHIEF OF POLICE MAY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY THE CITY MANAGER. I JUST WANT TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY THAT WE DID A 360 ON THAT.
IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS, AS EVERYONE RECALLS, THAT WOULD BE WRONG THE WHOLE POINT OF.
YOU KNOW, I'M GOING BACK TO MY I HAD PAPER NOTES AS WELL AS HERE, SO BUT I THINK I HAD WRITTEN DOWN THE MARK THAT WALKED OUT.
ALL RIGHT. SO SECTION 4.03 CITY SECRETARY.
THE CITY MANAGER SHALL APPOINT A COMPETENT PERSON AS CITY SECRETARY AND SUCH ASSISTANCE AS THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THE ADDITION OF SHALL KEEP THE AGENDA, CITY SECRETARY OR AN ASSISTANT SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
MAYBE SHE DIDN'T AND THERE, I DON'T KNOW, SHALL KEEP THE AGENDA AND THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF SUCH MEETINGS SO THAT SHALL KEEP THE AGENDA.
YOU SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER SEVEN.
I THOUGHT I REMEMBER A DISCUSSION, TOO, ABOUT THE AUTHENTICATE BY SIGNATURE AND RECORD IN FULL IN A BOOK.
DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BOOK LANGUAGE BEING ANTIQUATE MAYBE? OR HOW? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE DID SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S MOST EFFICIENT OR REALLY EVEN HOW IT'S BEING RECORDED RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S ELECTRONIC.
SO I HAVE IN MY NOTES THAT YOU LOOK, I DIDN'T HAVE A CONSENSUS, OH, IT SAID IT WAS, LOOK AT THAT. SO WE COULD TAKE THAT OUT.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? OK, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEN IS TO REMOVE AND SHALL AUTHENTICATE BY
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SIGNATURE AND RECORD TO RECORD IN FULL IN A BOOK KEPT AN INDEX FOR THE PURPOSES.YES. AND SO THEN WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH IS, SHALL KEEP THE AGENDA AND THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF SUCH MEETINGS, ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES AS A CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN AND THOSE ELSEWHERE PROVIDED IN THIS CHARTER AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
CITY MANAGER SHALL APPOINT A COMPETENT PERSON AS CITY SECRETARY.
AND SUCH ASSISTANCE AS THE CITY MANAGER SHALL DEEM ADVISABLE.
THE CITY SECRETARY OR AN ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS SHALL KEEP THE AGENDA AND THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF SUCH MEETINGS.
ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES AS A CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN AND THOSE ELSEWHERE PROVIDED IN THIS CHARTER AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR ASSISTANCE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF THE CITY SECRETARY OR AN ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY, REMOVE THAT SO THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL GIVE NOTICE.
WELL, BECAUSE SO ALSO, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD LIKE MARTHA, DO STUFF BEFORE, RIGHT? SHE'S POSTED STUFF BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, NOT DOING THE AGENDAS OR ANYTHING.
OKAY. SHE MAY POST THE AGENDA.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS.
BUT IT STILL HAS MY NAME ON THERE.
RIGHT, BUT TO THAT POINT IS YOU DON'T NEED TO SAY ASSISTANT BECAUSE IT COULD BE ANYONE THAT FULFILLS THAT FUNCTION FOR WHATEVER THAT.
WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT? YES. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
FRANCIS, HOW DO YOU AUTHENTICATE , LIKE, E-RECORDS? YOU ELECTRONICALLY YOU CAN ELECTRONICALLY.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SIGNING IT AND THEN WE SCAN AGAIN.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WHENEVER WE SCAN IT IN, THAT BECOMES THE OFFICIAL COPY.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AT SOME POINT IS WE WOULD HAVE ELECTRONICALLY SIGN EVERYTHING AND ELECTRONICALLY STAMP.
AND THAT WAY, THERE'S NO PAPER WHATSOEVER.
SO THAT LANGUAGE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY BEARING ON YOU MAKING.
WHAT IT SHOULDN'T SO YOUR RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD YOU GO COMPLETELY ELECTRONIC? IT'S NOT A MATTER. WE TOOK OUT ALL THE STUFF ABOUT A BOOK.
YEAH. SO WHAT ABOUT IF DOES IT EVER HAPPEN WHEN YOU'RE ON VACATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, SOMEBODY FILLS IN FOR YOU AND DOES THAT.
WE DON'T LET HER GO ON VACATION. [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S NOT GOOD. I MEAN, WE COULD RETAIN, LIKE AUTHENTICATE BY SIGNATURE AND JUST NOT DICTATE HOW IT'S DONE RIGHT, BECAUSE HERE IT SAYS IN A BOOK.
RIGHT. I'M CURIOUS HOW IT ALSO SAYS IT IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
AND THERE'S YOUR STATE LAW CONTROLS, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE AUTHENTICATED.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE WE DON'T NEED TO SPEAK BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH, KEEP IT AUTHENTICATE, WHATEVER THAT MEANS, SOMEBODY BIG ON TECHNOLOGY TO. THE CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN A COMPETENT PERSON. LAST PERFORMED SUCH OTHER DUTIES AS THE CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN AND IS ELSEWHERE PROVIDED. SO, SO WHERE I WAS GOING, IF WE AGREE TO TAKE OUT OR ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY, DOES THAT TIE OUR HANDS TO WHERE NO ONE ELSE CAN DO THAT IN FRANCIS'S ABSENCE?
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YOUR CHARTER RESERVES ALL POWER THAT THE STATE DOESN'T.IT'S A POWER THAT ANY OFFICER OF THE CITY HAS.
TYPICALLY, LIKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER, IT SAYS IF HE OR SHE IS OUT OF THE CITY FOR MORE THAN[INAUDIBLE]. I THINK I SEE WHERE SCOTT'S GOING, THOUGH, BECAUSE THE SENTENCE, THE FIRST SENTENCE TALKS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER APPOINTING THE CITY SECRETARY AND ASSISTANTS.
SO PERHAPS OR WELL, BUT I WAS THINKING MAYBE SCOTT'S READING THAT NEXT SENTENCE THAT IF WE TAKE OUT THE OR ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY, IT READS LIKE FRANCIS COULDN'T SAY, HEY MARTHA, CAN YOU GET THIS DONE? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SCOTT.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE THE FIRST LIKE SINCE THE CITY SECRETARIES LIKE THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY. YEAH, AND WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT SECRETARY? WE CONTACTED.
AUTHORITIES. GIVES THE FLEXIBILITY OF BEING MORE TEMPORARY.
RIGHT. SO THE CITY MANAGER SHALL APPOINT A COMPETENT PERSON AS CITY SECRETARY AND SUCH ASSISTANTS AS THE CITY MANAGER SHALL BE [INAUDIBLE].
THE CITY SECRETARY OR DESIGNEE SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, SHALL KEEP THE AGENDA AND THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF SUCH MEETINGS, AND SHALL AUTHENTICATE ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS AND SHALL PERFORM ANY SUCH OTHER DUTIES AS A CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN AND THOSE ELSEWHERE PROVIDED IN THIS CHARTER AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. SOUNDS GOOD.
SOUNDS GOOD. GOT IT! ALL RIGHT. SO THE OTHER SECTION THAT WE HAVE TO REVISIT IS 4.009.
IT WAS A SMALL CHANGE THAT YOU DISCUSSED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF THE EDITION IN SECTION V OF FOUR,\.
SO SECTION 4.09 IS OF THE DEPARTMENT'S SECTION B IS A NEW SECTION DIRECTION BY CITY MANAGER. ALL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES AND AGENCIES UNDER THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF A CITY MANAGER.
OR SHALL BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED BY AND SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER.
AND THEN I HAVE ALSO IN MY NOTES.
YOU HAVE THE WORD MAY IN YOUR VERSION IN THE PACKET? CHANGED A COUPLE TIMES, SO LET ME.
RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR SERVICES OR FUNCTIONS, ALL OF THAT WAS TAKEN OUT.
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YEAH, AND BUT BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING MORE, SO I ADDED THE MORE.SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER OR WHO ELSE WOULD BE? I DON'T THINK IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE SUBJECT.
OK, SO WITH THE ORIENTED THAT IT MAKES SENSE.
SO FIRST AID AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER, YEAH, THAT WAS YOUR DISCUSSION.
BUT NOW THAT WE'RE ALL READING, IT DOES SOUND A LITTLE BIT FUNKY.
SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO CHANGE IT, SO WE'RE ALL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES AND AGENCIES ARE UNDER THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER OR SHALL BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED BY AND SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER.
DOES THAT MAKE THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? I THINK THAT'S CLEAR.
YEAH. BUT YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING AT THE VERY BEGINNING, THOUGH, AFTER YOU SAID DIRECTION BY CITY MANAGER. YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE.
YEAH. DIRECTOR, MY CITY MANAGER.
ALL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES AND AGENCIES ARE UNDER THE DIRECTION OF SUPERVISION.
THEY ARE OR UNDER THE DIRECTION OF SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER OR SHALL BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED BY AND SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.
YEAH, I DO. I CAN FEEL MY EYEBROW.
IT'S ARE/OR STATEMENT THAT IT'S LIKE IT'S BATTLING EACH OTHER.
OR MAY NOT HAVE TO BE THERE FOR STAYS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME READING IT WITH THE OR THERE.
GIVING THE CITY MANAGER THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT SOMEBODY.
RIGHT. BUT THEN THE ONLY THING ABOUT SAYING ARE , IT PUTS IN A DIFFERENT TENTS.
WE COULD JUST SAY. SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER AND SHALL BE ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR IN MORE IMPORTANT [INAUDIBLE].
BECAUSE TO ME, THAT PROVISION WAS ESSENTIALLY, EITHER CHRIS IS RUNNING THE DEPARTMENT HIMSELF, OR HE'S APPOINTING SOMEBODY TO DO IT.
WAS WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING AT.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO, THAT'S THE INTENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE LANGUAGE IS DOING WHAT WE WANT IT TO DO.
YEAH. WHICH IS WHY I THOUGHT HAVING THE A-R-E AT THE BEGINNING ESSENTIALLY SAYS EVERYTHING IS UNDER YOUR MANAGER'S DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION UNLESS THE MANAGER APPOINTS OR DELEGATES. THAT'S WHAT THE OR IS DOING.
WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST CHANGE IT TO ALL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES AND AGENCIES ARE UNDER THE DIRECTION, SUPERVISION, SUPERVISION OF CITY MANAGER.
HOWEVER, THEY MAY BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED BY A SUBJECT.
YOU COULD MAKE IT PERMISSIVE, YEAH, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER, BUT MAY BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED; IS THAT?.
YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY ARE AND OR IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT'S BOTHERING ME.
THEY'RE DOING IT THAT WAY FITS BETTER.
YEAH. ALL DEPARTMENTS, OFFICES AND AGENCIES ARE UNDER THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER, BUT MAY BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED BY AND SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION THE SAME MANAGER.
HOWEVER IT SOUNDS WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DEFINITELY WANT MORE.
I'M GOOD WITH ORE AND JUST LEAVE IT TO LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.
YEAH, TAKE OUT LIKE IT'S REALLY ARE/OR I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S A LOT CLEARER IN OUR LAST RENDITION THAN HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
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SPEAKERS]. SO THEN IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE WAR OUT AND PUT, HOWEVER. THE CITY MANAGER, HOWEVER, MAY OR MAY BE ADMINISTERED BY AN EMPLOYEE APPOINTED BY AND SUBJECT TO THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE CITY MANAGER.YES, YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE TOO MODERN HERE.
SO THEN AT THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, WE WENT THROUGH SECTIONS 5.01.
AND I HAVE MADE THOSE CHANGES.
NO, WHEN WE STARTED AT 5.01 THAT WAS OUR FIRST TIME.
OUR INITIAL FORAY INTO SECTIONS, THE CHAPTER OR SECTION FIVE ON SEPTEMBER SEVEN, SO RIGHT BEFORE ARTICLE FIVE ELECTIONS SAYS CHARTER COMMISSION STOPPED DISCUSSION OF CHARTER PROVISIONS AT THIS POINT ON AUGUST 17TH.
SO YES, ALL OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE DID ON AUGUST 17TH AND AGAIN WHEN I STARTED, I SAID, SORRY, YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK BECAUSE IN SEPTEMBER, YOU TALKED ABOUT AUGUST. NOW IT'S OCTOBER, AND WE ARE ABOUT TO START TALKING ABOUT SEPTEMBER.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGES YOU MADE ON SEPTEMBER 7TH AND I PUT THEM INTO PLACE.
OK. WE'RE STILL FASTER THAN CONGRESS.
IT'S ALL GOOD. ARTICLE FIVE IS THE ELECTIONS, AND YOU DECIDED IN SEPTEMBER THAT YOU WANTED TO KEEP SECTION 5.1 REGULAR ELECTIONS, AS IS.
SO THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THAT.
AGAIN, THAT'S PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW, AND I HAVE THAT IN THE COMMENTS ON THE SIDE, WHICH I HOPE YOU CAN SEE.
AND THEN YOU DECIDED TO REMOVE SECTIONS FIVE POINT TWO QUALIFIED VOTERS, FIVE GOING, OH, THREE CONDUCT ELECTIONS, 5.04 FILING FOR OFFICE AND 5.05 BALLOTS.
WHICH TAKES YOU STRAIGHT INTO WHAT I GUESS IT WAS 5.06, WHICH I JUST PUT A CROSS THROUGH BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED IN ORDER TO FIND A POINT OR TWO, BUT THEY WANT TO BE HEAVY HANDED. SO THAT ONE IS ELECTION BY MAJORITY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE NEW LANGUAGE IS WHAT YOU TOLD ME TO DO AND WHAT WHAT.
WE HAVE OUR NOTES, BUT WE'LL GOING TO READ IT.
ELECTION BY MAJORITY AT ANY REGULAR OR SPECIAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION.
THE CANDIDATE FOR EACH OFFICE, WHO HAS RECEIVED A MAJORITY OF VOTES CAST IN SUCH ELECTIONS SHALL BE DECLARED ELECTED.
IF NO CANDIDATE RECEIVES A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES, THERE SHALL BE HELD A RUNOFF ELECTION.
AND LET ME QUOTE MY NOTES FROM [INAUDIBLE] I HAVE NO COMMENTARY OTHER THAN THAT I DO HAVE TO DEPART, SO THIS IS UP FOR GRABS.
DR. JACKSON? SO I COULD STAY TILL SEVEN.
AT 6:43 I'M GOING TO HAND OFF THE GAVEL TO DR.
JACKSON. ALL RIGHT, THE GOOD DOCTOR.
THANK YOU, YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
YES, I'LL SEE YOU ON NOVEMBER 2ND.
THANK YOU. SO BASICALLY ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, WHAT YOU DID WAS, YOU ADDED, THAT SHALL BE ADMINISTERED. OH, I'M SORRY UNDER THE ONE SECTION.
SO BEFORE SCOTT LEAVES, WE NEED TO MAKE MOTION ON SOMETHING TO APPROVE CHANGES TO THIS POINT. WELL, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN AUGUST THAT WE
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JUST FINISHED TALKING ABOUT TO ADOPT THAT.SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AUGUST IN NOVEMBER.
OKAY. I WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
RECOMMEND THAT WE ADOPT, UP TO THIS POINT SINCE AUGUST, TO APPROVE ALL THE CHANGES.
SO THAT'S ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT ARE IN ARTICLE FOUR.
WE'RE GOING UP THROUGH ARTICLE FIVE, IS THAT? WE'RE REVIEWING THE END OF ARTICLE FOUR WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING FROM ARTICLE FOUR.
WAS YOUR DISCUSSION IN AUGUST? EVERYTHING WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW IN ARTICLE FIVE WAS FROM YOUR DISCUSSION ON SEPTEMBER SEVEN. SO IF YOU WANT TO NAIL DOWN AUGUST, ARTICLE 4.01 TO 4.09.
YEAH. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE? ARTICLE 4.01 TO ARTICLE 4.09.
WE HAVE A MOTION. OH, I THOUGHT YOU JUST MADE IT.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT CHANGES FOR 4.01 UP TO 4.09.
SECOND. OK, SO IT WAS PUT IN MOTION.
THERE WAS MADE A MOTION, AND A SECOND.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? A VOTE THAT WILL VOTE FOR YAY FOR THE PASS IN THE MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? [INAUDIBLE] SO THE MOTION PASSES.
WE'LL GET YOU THERE, DOC. DO YOU FEEL THE POWER? BECAUSE I CONDUCT THIS LIKE I'LL DO THIS PRETTY MUCH ALLIANCE WILL BE LIKE, THAT'S MY GAVEL. OK, SO.
BACK TO FIVE, WHICH IS EVERYTHING THAT YOU DISCUSSED ON SEPTEMBER SEVEN.
WE ARE AT [INAUDIBLE] BY THE JURY AND YOU EXCISE PART OF THAT.
I JUST READ THAT BECAUSE MAYBE I'M [INAUDIBLE] MYSELF AT ANY REGULAR [INAUDIBLE] ELECTION. SO I THINK YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE OKAY WITH THAT, AND THEN MICHELLE [INAUDIBLE]. I MADE SOME NOTES, BUT MY NOTES WERE PRETTY MUCH LIKE I SCRIBBLED SOMETHING I FOUND. WELL, TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I REALIZE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, ON THE PDF, THE ONE THAT WAS ON THE WALL [INAUDIBLE] GRADY'S COMMENTS AND YOU DISCUSSED THOSE COMMENTS AND YOU ADOPTED HIS SUGGESTIONS.
THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE EXCISED PORTION, WHICH IS NOW WHAT'S LEFT OF [INAUDIBLE].
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ IT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE HAPPY WITH [INAUDIBLE].
NOW WE HAVE FINISHED ARTICLE FIVE, SO YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND ADOPT THE CHANGES TO ARTICLE FIVE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT SEPTEMBER STUFF IN NOVEMBER.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT CHANGES FROM ARTICLE 5.01 UP TO ARTICLE 5.06.
SECONDED. OK, SO ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED.
OK, THE AYES HAVE IT, SO WE ADOPT THAT.
IT'S BEEN APPROVED TO UPDATE THE SECTIONS IN SECTION FIVE UP TO THIS DAY.
SO WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN SEPTEMBER, BUT WE'RE IN ARTICLE SIX LEGISLATION BY THE PEOPLE RECALL INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM AND SECTION 6.01 GENERAL POWERS, IN YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, YOU HAD DISCUSSED REMOVAL OF THE PROVISIONS THAT START WITH AMENDMENT OF CITY BUDGET OR ANY CAPITAL EXPENDITURES, AND YOU SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT YOU WANTED TO REMOVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REMOVE ANNEXATION OR [INAUDIBLE] ANNEXATION.
THE SETTING OF THE SALARY OR COMPENSATION AND REMOVE--I CAN'T READ MY WRITING.
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GRANTING OF FRANCHISE [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU WANTED TO ADD BONDS.SO, GO BACK TO 6.01, AS REVISED AFTER THAT DISCUSSION, I HAVE PUT 6.01 GENERAL POWERS THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
IN ADDITION TO THE METHOD OF LEGISLATION HERE IN THE FOUR PROVIDED SHALL HAVE THE POWER OF DIRECT LEGISLATION BY THE RECALL INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, EXCEPT FOR ADOPTION OR AMENDMENT OF THE CITY BUDGET OR ANY CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
THE APPROPRIATION OF MONEY, THE LEVYING OF TAXES, THE ADOPTION AMENDMENT OR REPEAL OF ZONING DISTRICTS OR REGULATIONS.
THE SETTING OF RATES, FEES, CHARGES OR ASSESSMENTS.
APPROVAL OF THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS OR ANY OTHER ORDINANCE NOT SUBJECT TO INITIATIVE AS PROVIDED BY STATE STATUTE OR COMMON LAW.
SO I'M SORRY I SAID IT BACKWARDS WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT MY NOTES ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED TO KEEP IN VERSUS WHAT YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT.
SO WHAT YOU WANT TO KEEP IT IN IS STILL IN AND YOU WANT TO [INAUDIBLE].
GOOD. SO THAT TAKES US DOWN TO 6.02 WHEN SHE DECIDED TO LEAVE IT ALONE.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I HAD UNDERLINED SOMETHING IN 6.02, BUT I THINK IT WAS JUST A PERSONAL THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT TO GET SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAD AGREED TO CHANGE, SO [INAUDIBLE].
ON 6.03, AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT YOUR DISCUSSION ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 6.03 PETITIONS FOR RECALL AND THE COMMISSION AGREED WITH GRADY'S RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE NOTICE PROVISION, WHICH STARTS YOUR PETITION DATE.
SO I WITHOUT TALKING TO GRADY, LOOK FOR LANGUAGE, SO EVERYONE REALLY NEEDS TO READ THIS TO SEE IF THIS IN FACT, IS WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND.
I WILL SAY THAT THIS WAS LANGUAGE THAT WAS TAKEN FROM ANOTHER CHARTER THAT OUR FIRM IS WORKING ON AND THIS NOTICE PROVISION, IF YOU LIKE IT, THEN WE WILL PROBABLY RECOMMEND IT FOR THE OTHER PROVISIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO LATER ON THAT REQUIRE NOTICE.
BUT NOW WE HAVE IT READING IN THIS INITIAL PETITION DATE [INAUDIBLE] DATE THE FIRST SIGNATURE WAS OBTAINED ON ANY OF THE COPIES OF A RECALL PETITION.
ANY REGISTERED VOTER OF THE CITY MAY COMMENCE RECALL PROCEEDINGS BY FILING WITH THE CITY SECRETARY OF PETITION AS REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION, PROVIDED THAT THE REGISTERED VOTER MUST FILE WITH CITY SECRETARY A NOTICE OF INTENT TO CIRCULATE A PETITION BEFORE CIRCULATING THE PETITION.
THAT'S ALL NEW. THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO CIRCULATE A PETITION REQUIRED BY THIS SUBSECTION MUST BE FILED PRIOR TO THE DATE OF SIGNING OF EACH SIGNATURE CONTAINED IN THE.
ADDITIONALLY, A PETITION FOR RECALL MAY BE FILED ANY TIME AFTER THE ELECTION OF THE PERSON SOUGHT TO BE REMOVED.
AND SECTION C, AT LEAST ONE SIGNER OF THE PETITION MUST SWEAR OR AFFIRM BEFORE A NOTARY PUBLIC OR OTHER PERSON AUTHORIZED TO ADMINISTER OATH THAT EACH SIGNATURE ON THE PETITION WAS MADE BY THE PERSON WHOSE SIGNATURE PURPORTS TO BE, AND THAT OATH MUST BE MEMORIALIZED ON PETITION. SO THAT'S QUITE A DETAIL.
[CHUCKLING] YEAH, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A REAL LOOK AT IT.
SO THE FIRST SECTION, A, IS TO NAIL DOWN THE DATE.
SO IN THIS SECTION, THE INITIAL PETITION DATE MEANS THE DATE THE FIRST SIGNATURE WAS OBTAINED ON THE RECALL PETITION.
NOW, DO WE WANT TO PUT THE NOTICE OF THE CIRCULATION OF THE PETITION AS FIRST THE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER? SO YOU FOLLOW NOTICE WITH FRANCIS FOLLOWING THE PETITION TO RECALL.
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THEN YOU GO OUT AND GET THE SIGNATURE ON THE PETITION.I MEAN, IF YOU READ THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH, YOU SEE YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE].
RIGHT. FOR ONE WE NEED A GOOD START DATE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 180 DAYS PER STATE LAW.
[INAUDIBLE] ORDER. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS AND THE INITIAL PETITION DATE WOULD BE WHEN THEY GIVE NOTICE TO THE SECRETARY? I'M SAYING JUST PUT THE NOTICE YOU [INAUDIBLE] TO FILE A RECALL PETITION, YOU MUST FIRST FILE A NOTICE THAT YOU'RE FILING A RECALL PETITION.
SECONDLY [INAUDIBLE] BE THE DATE OF THE FIRST SIGNATURE, SO THEY'RE NOT BURNING TIME FILING FOR PETITION. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY SOMEBODY [INAUDIBLE] TO FILE A NOTICE, THEN I GET THE PETITIONS THEN I GET TO START GETTING SIGNATURES, THAT FIRST SIGNATURE STARTS [INAUDIBLE] NAMES ON.
THE NOTICE PROVISIONS JUST SO THE CITY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE COUNCIL NEVER KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON ANYWAY.
WHY WOULDN'T IT BE THAT? WHY WOULDN'T YOU MAKE THE SUBMISSION TO THE CITY SECRETARY, YOUR INITIAL PETITION START DATE? WOULDN'T THAT MAKE IT EASIER TO TRACK AND VERIFY THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR TIME LIMITS? I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, IT SEEMS LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CHARTER OR STATE LAW THAT SAYS IT'S [INAUDIBLE] OK.
BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S TRACKABLE, CORRECT? THAT'S DOCUMENTED. I MEAN, AND I SUPPOSE LIKE YOU WOULD SEE THE DATE ONCE IT WAS SUBMITTED OF WHEN IT FIRST BEGAN, I JUST TO ME LIKE IT MAKES SENSE THAT WOULD START YOUR TIME.
THAT'S CLEANER, THEN YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO SIT THERE AND PULL UP A SIGNATURE [INAUDIBLE] OCTOBER 19TH. WELL, AND IT'S PUBLIC.
SO IF IT'S AN OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, BEING RECALLED, THEN THEY KNOW WHEN IT STARTS.
I AGREE. WE'LL DOCUMENT IT [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC.
[INAUDIBLE] WHETHER THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT, DO YOU WANT THE NOTICE OF CIRCULATION OF PETITION [INAUDIBLE].
I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE], THAT'S HOW IT'S NORMALLY DONE.
WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST--I WOULD SAY YES.
JUST A DATE. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DID YOU [INAUDIBLE]? [INAUDIBLE] CERTAIN [INAUDIBLE] I MIGHT BE GETTING CONFUSED, BUT I THINK THERE ELECTION LAW.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE CITY SECRETARY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO A PETITION.
SO, ACCORDING TO STATE LAW [INAUDIBLE] SO YOU CAN MAKE IT THE LOCAL LAW THROUGH YOUR CHARTER? BECAUSE INITIATIVE, REFERENDUM RECALL [INAUDIBLE] PURELY [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] NOTE [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE HOMEWORK.
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SO ON THE 6.03 AT THE END OF SECTION B, IS THAT WHERE THE ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAYS SHOULD COME INTO PLAY.ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NOTICE? ADDITIONALLY, A PARTICIPANT MAY BE FILED ANY TIME AFTER THE ELECTION THE PERSON SOUGHT.
OH, OK, SO IT'S 180 DAYS AFTER THEY FILED A PETITION.
RIGHT? WE WERE MAKING A NOTE THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS PUTTING US [INAUDIBLE] HOW THAT WORK PETITION FOR RECALL, SO I DO REMEMBER THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S CLEANED UP NOW.
[INAUDIBLE] SEE NOW, BECAUSE I HAD A BIG QUESTION ABOUT A [INAUDIBLE] THAT'D PUT ANYBODY IN ON THE RECALL. WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION LAST [INAUDIBLE].
YOU HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE] WITH GRADY'S COMMENTS IN THE PACKET.
I'VE MOVED THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO THE BEGINNING, WE'RE GOING TO CHECK THE ELECTIONS CODE . B NOW READS ANY REGISTERED VOTER IN THE CITY MAY COMMENCE RECALL PROCEEDINGS BY FILING WITH THE CITY SECRETARY A PETITION REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION PROVIDED THAT THE REGISTERED VOTER MUST [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE SECRETARY NOTICE OF INTENT TO CIRCULATE A PETITION BEFORE CIRCULATING PETITION.
ADDITIONALLY, A PETITION FOR RECALL MAY BE FILED ANY TIME AFTER THE ELECTION OF THE PERSON SOUGHT TO BE REMOVED.
RIGHT. SO IS THE PART YOU WERE SAYING IS DIDN'T WE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TIMES WITH THAT? YEAH, FOR THE NUMBER OF TIMES, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT PUT US IN SOME TYPE OF [INAUDIBLE] SITUATION AND SO [INAUDIBLE] YEAH.
SO WHAT WOULD THE WORDING, HOW WOULD IT NEED TO BE CHANGED? INITIALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT.
.. [INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE BEGINNING TO RUN TOGETHER.
DO YOU GET YOUR FIRST SIX MONTHS IN OFFICE [INAUDIBLE] THE RECALL OR DO YOU WANT IT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF YOUR NEXT ELECTION? IT'S JUST A WASTE TIME AND MONEY [INAUDIBLE].
SO THAT REALLY IS THE TERM THAT TAKES OUT A YEAR.
[INAUDIBLE] RECALL AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD READ. COUNCIL MEMBER CANNOT BE SUBJECT OF A RECALL PETITION MORE THAN ONCE OR TWICE.
I THINK WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT WAS ALMOST LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE TIMED OUT IF WE HAVE MORE, WE DON'T WANT MORE THAN TWO.
RIGHT. I THINK WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH AND CALCULATED IT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IT'S GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND IT'S GOING JUST RIGHT.
WHERE ARE WE ON THAT THEN? SO BACK TO 6.03.
WE HAVE THE ABC NOTICE, AND THEN BEFORE THE QUESTION OF RECALL, THERE WAS NO CHANGES TO THAT. THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGES TO THAT, SO, YEAH.
SO IN SECTION 6.04 FORM OF RECALL PETITION, THERE WAS NO CHANGES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 6.04?
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I UNDERLINED A FEW THINGS, BUT [INAUDIBLE] THAT WE HADN'T MADE ANY CHANGES.ALL RIGHT, SO 6.04 READS THE RECALL PETITION, MUST BE ADDRESSED TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON MUST DISTINCTLY AND SPECIFICALLY POINT OUT THE GROUND OR GROUNDS UPON WHICH SUCH A PETITION FOR REMOVAL IS PREDICATED AND IF THERE BE MORE THAN ONE GROUND, SUCH AS FOR INCOMPETENCY, MISCONDUCT FOR MALFEASANCE IN THE OFFICE SHALL SPECIFICALLY STATE EACH GROUND WITH SUCH CERTAINTY AS TO GIVE THE OFFICER [INAUDIBLE].
NOTICE OF THE MATTER [INAUDIBLE] THINGS WITH WHICH HE IS CHARGED, WHICH I GUESS WE DIDN'T CATCH THAT. WOULD WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT TODAY, WHICH THEY ARE CHARGED? YES.
ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF EACH SEPARATE PETITION SHALL MAKE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT HE.
.. DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION OR YOU COULD MAKE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THE SIGNER PERSONALLY CIRCULATED. SO THAT IT WILL READ SHALL MAKE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THE SIGNER PERSONALLY CIRCULATED THAT THE SIGNER ONLY PERSON CIRCULATED SUCH A PETITION THAT EACH SIGNATURE APPENDED THERETO IS MADE IN THEIR PRESENCE AND IS A GENUINE SIGNATURE OF THE PERSON WHOSE NAME IT PURPORTS TO BE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DIDN'T CATCH THAT [INAUDIBLE].
I GUESS WE'RE WILLING TO MOVE ALONG.
WELL, MAYBE WHEN YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HE WAS CHARGED, MAYBE IT WAS OK WITH THE FEMALES THAT HE WAS CHARGED.
[CHUCKLING] I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DID UNDERLINE SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR NOT, UNDERLYING ENCOMPASSING MISCONDUCT AND MALFEASANCE, BUT I THINK WE WENT INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT. BUT WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES ON THAT.
BUT I [INAUDIBLE] UNDERLINE THAT [INAUDIBLE] WAS SOME CATCH WORDS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR SUCH. YOU MAY HAVE HAD DISCUSSION WITH THAT.
I ONLY KNOW THAT IN THE END, I WAS TOLD THERE WAS NO CHANGE.
[INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE READING IT NOW.
YEAH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING WE'RE CHANGING NOW IS JUST THE PRONOUNS THEN.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL WE DO IS MAKE, THAT'S ALL I DID.
RIGHT NOW, LET'S MAKE IT GENDER-NEUTRAL.
ARE YOU READY FOR ME TO MOVE ON TO 6.05? I THINK YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT MICHELLE, I CAN SEE YOUR FACE.
NO, I'M TRYING TO TO THINK THAT BECAUSE I COULD HAVE SWORN WE PUT LIKE LIMITS ON THE RECALL AND I DON'T SEE WHERE ELSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXCEPT WITHIN LIKE THIS SECTION, I GUESS SO BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A REALLY LONG DISCUSSION.
WE DIDN'T INSERT NEW LANGUAGE TO CAPTURE THAT, THOUGH, THAT YOU COULD ONLY BE RECALLED OR HAVE OR RECALL.
BUT WE NEVER ACTUALLY SAID ANYTHING.
OK. OK, THAT'S WHAT WAS DRIVING ME CRAZY.
YOU DIDN'T INFLUENCE ME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
I'M JUST SAYING, YEAH, DETAILED CONVERSATION ON THAT, AND I THINK MAYBE WE ALMOST JUST BLEW IT BY BECAUSE THE WAY WE FIGURED IT OUT, BY THE TIME IT TAKES TO GO AHEAD AND FILE AND DO THE TERMS AND SUCH THAT IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE, I'M THINKING, BUT I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO DIGGING THROUGH YOUR NOTES ON THAT; MY NOTES ONLY SAY SO MUCH.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WAS BOTHERING ME WAS LIKE, WHAT DID WE CONCLUDE ON THAT EVEN IF WE DIDN'T VERBALLY CONCLUDE? BECAUSE YOU AND I [INAUDIBLE] JAIME HERE AS WELL.
I THINK HE WAS. YEAH, JAIME WAS HERE.
SO WE CAN STILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW, AND WE HAVE TO REVISIT THAT [INAUDIBLE] THE REST OF THE GUYS [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE MY NOTES, I REMEMBER SAYING THAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO. OK, MAYBE WE'LL REVISIT THAT NEXT TIME, THEN.
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I [INAUDIBLE] ON THE OTHER DOCUMENT.I'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS, ALL WITH COMMENTS.
BUT BEFORE WE MOVE OFF OF IT, LET ME SEE IF I I WROTE ANY OTHER NOTES THAT I.
.. SECTION 6.11 IS WHAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT . YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.
[CHUCKLING] ENOUGH. OK, SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO 6.05, RIGHT? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO 6.05 IS VARIOUS PAPERS CONSTITUTING PETITION.
AND THE ONE THING THAT YOU DID ALL DISCUSS IS CAN WE GO SHORTER THAN THE STATE MANDATED NUMBER OF DAYS? AND WE CHANGED TO 60.
IS THIS PERMISSIBLE, PER WHAT YOU GUYS SAID? AND THE ELECTION CODE SAYS YOU CAN GO UP TO 180 DAYS TO SEVENTY SEVEN POINT ZERO TO ONE.
SO YOU HAVE FORTY FIVE, AND I CHANGED IT TO 60 BECAUSE THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, CAN WE CHANGE IT TO 60? SO THE ANSWER IS YES, YOU COULD CHANGE IT TO 60.
SO THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, ABOUT 6.05.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT. WHAT DO YOU SEE AS KIND OF AN AVERAGE? STATE SAYS 180; THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS? SO YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] SOMEBODY? WELL, THERE'S ONE. THERE IS A STATE [INAUDIBLE] IN JAIL [INAUDIBLE] BUT IT COULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE [INAUDIBLE] SO THEY WANT ME TO MAKE SURE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
YOU CAN RECALL IF YOU HAD THIS POWER AND THAT MIGHT GENERATE ENOUGH INTEREST TO GET IT DONE. SO THE IDEA BEING IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING PARTICULARLY GRIEVOUS IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE THAT QUICKLY, WHICH IS FINE.
[INAUDIBLE] WHAT ARE YOU ALL THINKING ON THAT? 60, AS OPPOSED TO . YEAH, I THINK SIXTY'S SHORT.
I MEAN, SIX MONTHS TO BE IN LIMBO, THOUGH, SEEMS. YEAH. YEAH.
SO WE WENT FROM 45 TO 60? I'D BE GOOD WITH WITH HALF OF THAT, 90.
90. I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME SPEED WITH 90.
YOU THINK IT MAKES IT LESS EFFECTIVE? THAT NO ONE CAN GET IT DONE? IF YOU HAD A BAD COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WAS DOING BAD STUFF.
HE OR SHE IS GOING, NOBODY CAN GET ENOUGH SIGNATURES.
DOES IT MAKE THE THREAT OF THE RECALL AS EFFECTIVE [INAUDIBLE]? AND [INAUDIBLE] FOR SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY [INAUDIBLE].
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET FOUR HUNDRED, IS THAT RIGHT? FOUR HUNDRED. HEY, THAT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
WELL, I MEAN, THE THING IS, I MEAN, IF THEY ARE, I MEAN, I THINK IF THEY REALLY WANTED IT DONE, THEY COULD GET IT DONE.
I THINK THEY COULD GET IT DONE.
BUT LIKE I THINK IT ALSO HAS A HIGH ENOUGH THRESHOLD WHERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR SOMETHING SERIOUS VERSUS SOME PEOPLE PLAYING POLITICAL PING PONG LIKE.
WELL, I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THE INTENT, RIGHT, SO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DOES SOMETHING BAD--LET'S SAY, ILLEGAL--THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.
SO DO YOU THINK THAT THE 90 DAYS IS SUFFICIENT? 90'S THE MAX, SO IF YOU GO FROM 90 DAYS TO--WELL, WE'RE GOING FROM FORTY FIVE DAYS.
WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY GO TO THE 60 AT LEAST, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, RIGHT? WELL, YOU JUST GOT 60 LAST NIGHT.
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YEAH, JUST GO 60 AND I MEAN, I WOULD BE GOOD WITH THE 180 STANDARD.I JUST THREW 90 OUT THERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING AT 60.
YOU'RE THINKING 180L YOU THOUGHT WE WERE THINKING 60.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAD LIKE A COUNCILMAN IN JAIL FOR SIX MONTHS UNTIL THEY COULD RECALL. THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE YOUR WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY IS OPEN.
SO, IS THAT UP TO SIX MONTHS OR [INAUDIBLE] YEAH.
OK, SO IF YOU DO IT AT 90, IT'S UP TO SIX MONTHS.
OK, [INAUDIBLE] EITHER WAY, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CIRCUMSTANTIAL HOWEVER IT PANS OUT.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT A 180, A 60 TO 90 AND I'M A 90 TO 180.
SO 90 SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NOT COMMON PRACTICE FOR THE 90.
NO, HE WAS SAYING 180'S COMMON.
THAT'S COMMON PRACTICE YOU'RE JUST NOT FEELING THE 180.
I JUST I MEAN, IT'S A LONG TIME TO BE, GRANTED, WE DID JUST EXTEND THE LENGTH OF OUR TERMS, BUT I DON'T KNOW, TELL ME MORE WHY YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE 180.
JUST TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO GET THEIR SIGNATURES, TO GET THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW TO GET.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 400 SIGNATURES? SO IT WAS LIKE FOUR HUNDRED OR CERTAIN OF THE VOTING 40 PERCENT IS THAT RIGHT.
SO JUST SAY ROUGHLY FOUR SIGNATURES A DAY.
MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE, BUT STILL, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT ONCE YOU REALLY EXHAUST YOUR CLOSE PEOPLE, THEN GETTING THOSE SIGNATURES WOULD BE TOUGHER.
UNLESS YOU GOT SOMEONE I'M SURE.
SO I'M INCLINED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 90 AND 180, LIKE I DON'T KNOW, I'M SYMPATHETIC THAT IT TAKES TIME TO ORGANIZE AND IT TAKES TIME TO KNOCK THOSE DOORS.
PEOPLE HAVE JOBS, THEY'RE WORKING LIKE THEY'VE GOT FAMILIES THEY'VE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF.
SO I JUST I'M ALSO LIKE SIX MONTHS SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME TO BE IN LIMBO.
[INAUDIBLE] RECALL IT'S 40 PERCENT OF THE NUMBER OF VOTES AT THE LAST SO WE AVERAGE LIKE SEVEN HUNDRED SOMETHING.
OBVIOUSLY, I WONDER WHERE THE FORTY FIVE CAME FROM INITIALLY.
I MEAN, WHY 45 SINCE IT'S SUCH A SHORT PERIOD? I MEAN, THAT'S.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE REALLY HIGH.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LONGER, BUT I'M OK WITH 90.
SO 90 OR 120 WELL, I SAY 120 WE WANT TO COMPROMISE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE EITHER THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS, THEN GO IN BETWEEN, BUT THREE MONTHS ARE FINE WITH ME.
BUT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE HESITANT ABOUT THE 180 BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LONG TIME.
WHAT ABOUT 120. 120 SO CRUCIAL ON THAT ONE.
THAT'S TRUE. WE'LL, ACCEPT THAT COUNCIL WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
[LAUGHTER] YEAH. IF IT'S I MEAN, THEY'LL BE MOTIVATED TO BE FASTER.
WELL, IF IT'S ONLY 40 PERCENT OF THE LAST BALLOTS CASTED, I FEEL WAY MORE COMFORTABLE.
YEAH. A MINIMUM [INAUDIBLE] SO A MINIMUM OF 400.
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I THINK, OK.SO I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON.
WE CAN ALWAYS TEST OUT THIS THEORY AND SEE IF WE COULD.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE SAYING 120. YEAH.
SO BASICALLY JUST DOUBLE THAT 60.
THAT WORKS, WE'VE GOT A MEDIATOR OVER HERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S READ THAT SECTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
OKAY. THE PETITION MAY CONSIST OF ONE OR MORE COPIES IN A SEVERAL PARTS OF COPIES OF THE PETITION MAY BE FILED SEPARATELY AND [INAUDIBLE] PERSONS, BUT NO SIGNATURE SUCH PETITION SHALL REMAIN EFFECTIVE OR BE COUNTED, WHICH WERE PLACED THERE ON MORE THAN 120 DAYS PRIOR TO THE FILING OF SAID PETITION OR PETITIONS WITH THE PERSON PERFORMING THE DUTIES OF CITY SECRETARY. THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST DECIDED.
ALL PAPERS COMPRISING A RECALL PETITION SHALL BE FILED WITH THE PERSON PERFORMING THE DUTIES OF CITY SECRETARY ON THE SAME DAY AND THE SAID SECRETARY SHALL BE WRITING. THE OFFICER [INAUDIBLE] TO BE REMOVED BY MAILING SUCH NOTICE TO THEIR ANGLETON ADDRESS INSTEAD OF HIS.
HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO ACTUALLY MAIL ONE BEFORE? HAVE A RECALLED POSITION? YEAH, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A MAIL TO THE ANGLETON ADDRESS, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
FILING SEVERAL PARTS OF THE COPIES OF THE PETITION MAY BE FILED SEPARATELY, BUT THEN IT SAYS ALL PAPERS COMPRISING RECALL PETITION [INAUDIBLE] BE FILED WITH THE PERSON ON THE SAME DAY. WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT.
PERSON PERFORMING THE DUTIES OF THE CITY SECRETARY ON THE SAME DAY.
WELL, I'M GUESSING IF YOU HAD BITS AND PIECES AND YOU'RE WAITING FOR THAT LAST PAGE WITH THE SIGNATURES JUST TO GET ALL THOSE SHEETS TOGETHER ON THE SAME DAY, I'M TOTALLY GUESSING FROM WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.
THIS IS THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS RECEIVED IS IT COMES TOGETHER AND GO.
TO DETERMINE. SO ARE YOU YOU ARE SO WHEN THAT STOPS, BUT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SEPARATELY, RIGHT? SEVERAL PARTS, YEAH.
SO THE SECOND LINE EVERYBODY AND THE SEVERAL PARTS OF COPIES OF THE PETITION MAY BE FILED SEPARATELY AND BY DIFFERENT PERSONS.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S BOTHERING YOU? NIGHTMARE. SO TYPICALLY, THEY HAVE SEVERAL THAT SHE DOES HER [INAUDIBLE] THAT DAY. BECAUSE OTHERWISE ANYBODY CAN BRING THOSE PETITIONS TO YOU THEN AND SO JUST A HODGEPODGE OF THINGS COMING IN.
RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, AND IT SHOULD COME TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE IT RIGHT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S 400 OR AND THEN SAY, OK, WE HAVE FOUR HUNDRED, AND THEN I WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE 400.
THEY MAY TRY TO GAME THE SYSTEM BY IS THAT 400 RIGHT. SO HOW DO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT WHAT CITY SECRETARY IS SAYING? I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT BECAUSE HAD YOU NOT BEEN HERE TO CATCH THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING TOWARDS YOU? I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SEPARATE AND CLEANING UP OUR DIFFERENT PERSONS.
SO I THINK TO BE WIPED OUT OR SOMEHOW CONSOLIDATED SUCH DEGREES WHERE IT'S JUST COMING IN FROM ONE PERSON. SO THE PETITION MAY CONSIST OR SHALL CONSIST OF ONE COPY AND SHALL BE.
OK. THAT MAYBE FILED SEPARATELY.
JUST SAY SHALL BE FILED CONSIST OF A COPY IN FULL.
THE PETITION MAY CONSIST OF A COPY.
A COPY IN FULL. YEAH, SO, OK, SO A GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE GOING OUT WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT
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COPIES OF THIS PETITION.THEY SCAN THEM ALL INTO ONE DOCUMENT AND THEY BRING YOU ONE DOCUMENT.
WELL THEY WOULDN'T SCAN IT IN, IT WOULD BE ALL WELL, OK. ABOUT TIME, I GUESS YOU ONLY GET ONE COPY OR A COPY OF THE COPY.
YES, THAT MUCH WE CAN DEFINITELY CHANGE.
PETITION SHALL CONSIST OF ONE COPY.
WELL, IF WE PUT A COPY, THOUGH, DOES THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
ORIGINAL DOCUMENT OR ORIGINAL? [INAUDIBLE] CONSIST OF A DOCUMENT.
SO ONE ORIGINAL COPY, I MEAN, YEAH, YEAH, MIGHT CONSIST OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT WITH ORIGINAL SIGNATURES.
WITH THE ORIGINAL SIGNATURES AND THEN JUST START WITH, BUT NO SIGNATURE JUST TAKE OUT AND THE SEVERAL PARTS.
YES, TAKE UP TO SEVERAL. ALL RIGHT.
SO NOW WE'RE LEFT WITH A PETITION SHALL CONSIST OF ONE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT BUT NO SIGNATURE TO SUCH A PETITION SHALL REMAIN EFFECTIVE OR BE COUNTED, WHICH WERE PLACED THERE ON MORE THAN FORTY FIVE DAYS PRIOR TO THE FILING OF SUCH A PETITION.
WE CAN'T SAY OR PETITION TO HAVE THE CROSS OUT OR PETITIONS.
WITH THE PERSON PERFORMING THE DUTIES OF CITY SECRETARY.
YEAH, DON'T NO SIGNATURE TO SUCH A PETITION SHALL REMAIN EFFECTIVE OR RECOUNTED WHICH WERE PLACED ON .
THE FLOWING OF IT. SHALL REMAIN EFFECTIVE OR BE COUNTED.
THE FILING OF SUCH A PETITION.
DO YOU ALL HAVE LANGUAGE FROM OTHER CHARTERS THAT'S LIKE THE SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THIS WHERE WE COULD JUST INSERT OUR WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT? NO.
TO ME, IT'S LIKE IF THERE'S A CLEARER VERSION WHERE WE'RE NOT REDOING OUR OWN PIECE.
BUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS PROBABLY WHAT EVERYBODY DOES.
THOSE OTHER GUYS, WHICH GETS CUT.
OK, THE PETITION MAY CONSIST OF ONE THE PETITION SHALL WHAT'S THE FIRST SENTENCE SAY AGAIN? THE PETITION SHALL CONSIST OF ONE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT? OK. COMMA.NO SIGNATURE TO SUCH PETITION SHALL REMAIN EFFECTIVE OR BE COUNTED, WHICH WERE PLACED THERE ON MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DAYS PRIOR TO THE FILING OF THE SUCH PETITION OR PETITIONS. SO TAKE PETITIONS.
SECRETARY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS JUST REMOVE THE BUT AND LEAVE THE WHICH WERE PLACED THERE ON. YES.
YOU DON'T WANT A RADICAL APPROACH AND DELETE THE WHOLE THING AND JUST SAY YOU HAVE 120 DAYS TO FOLLOW THE PETITION PERIOD.
WELL, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER CHARTERS WE'VE DONE.
THEY DON'T HAVE YEAH. COULD IT BE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID? JUST
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SENTENCE AND JUST ADD 120 DAYS AND PERIOD? YEAH. SO THE PETITION SHALL CONSIST OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT AND FILED NO MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DAYS PRIOR TO THE ORIGINAL, THE FIRST SIGNATURE THAT WE GOT.HOWEVER, WE WANT TO WORD THAT.
AND THEN PUT A PERIOD AFTER THAT.
THEY ASK IF THEY WANT ALL PAPERS OF THE PETITION SHALL BE UNIFORM [INAUDIBLE] AND FOLLOWING EACH SIGNATURE SHALL COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 2 YEAH. BUT WHAT DOES 111 TELL US, 211 TELLS US ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAYS.
NO, THIS IS SAYING EACH SIGNATURE SHALL COMPLY SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. TWO SEVEN SEVEN.
WHAT IS TWO SEVEN SEVEN. THAT'S THE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAYS.
YES. I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT IT RIGHT. YOU CAN LOWER THE COUNT AND IF YOU JUST WANTED TO SIMPLIFY.
THAT SOUNDS EITHER WAY YOU WENT THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO EITHER WAY.
I THINK I'M DEFINITELY HEARING THAT IT'S CUMBERSOME AS THIS.
SO MAYBE WE REFERENCE THAT SIMILAR TO THAT, BUT THEN WE PUT BUT SHALL NOT GO PAST ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DAYS.
THE PETITION SHOULD BE I LIKE THE FIRST ONE, YOU READ.
THE TWO SENTENCES AND THEN JUST PUT THE ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DAYS IN THERE.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM [LAUGHTER].
AND WE DON'T WANT PLAGIARIZED ALL RIGHT. DO WE? WE ALSO GET AND AFTER THAT, YOU ALL I'VE PUSHED MY TIME AS FAR AS I CAN, ABSOLUTELY PUSH IT.
I WANTED TO GET AS FAR AS WE COULD.
OK. SO BASICALLY WE CAN JUST BE READY TO ADJOURN.
SO I'M JUST TO REITERATE, WE'RE FINISHING AT SIX POINT ZERO AT SECTION 6.05.
WHEN WE COME BACK, NEXT TIME, WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP AT 6.05.
READ IT THE WAY IT WAS. SO WE STILL WILL BE DISCUSSING SECTION SIX FROM THE SEPTEMBER MEETING IN NOVEMBER. BUT WE'LL BE OK.
6.05 TO 6.12. YEAH. THEN WE'LL START NEW STUFF WITH THE . THEN ALSO THINKING THROUGH THE TIMELINE, RIGHT, CHRIS? SO, YOU STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
I'M THINKING IT'S PROBABLY LIKE SOUTH AMERICA FROM HINTS I'VE HEARD, SO WE'LL SEE.
WOW THAT'S REALLY EXCITING ENJOY YOURSELF.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO ADJOURN US? YES, I MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THE CITY COMMISSION AT 7:34.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.