7. Discussion and possible action on a development agreement with Clint Peltier Custom Homes, LLC. for the Bayou Bend Subdivision Development

[8. Discussion and possible action on a request for a waiver of the preliminary acceptance of public improvements for the Gifford Meadows Subdivision and public improvement acceptance by the City of Angleton. ]

WAIVER OF THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE GIFFORD MEADOW SUBDIVISION AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ACCEPTANCE BY THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, SO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ACCEPTANCES, WE HAVE REQUESTED A WAIVER OF THE SECTION OF THE CODE.

IT'S TWENTY THREE NINETY EIGHT I TO HAVE A ONE YEAR PRELIMINARY AND AND THEN DO THE ACCEPTANCE AFTER A YEAR.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS A WAIVER OF THAT 12 MONTH WAITING PERIOD WITH A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT.

IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SCHEDULE THE FINAL INSPECTION DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND AND NEW YEAR'S, SO THAT WAS COMPLETED TODAY.

HDR HAS REVIEWED IT, HAS ACCEPTED IT WITH NO OBJECTIONS.

SO WE HAVE A SCHEDULE OF FEES, WE HAVE RECORD DRAWINGS, WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FULL REVIEW OF THE MAINTENANCE BOND BY LEGAL.

SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE WAIVER WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS SUBJECT TO SUCCESSFUL REVIEW OF THE MAINTENANCE BOND BY LEGAL.

WHICH IS NOT ENUMERATED IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN WHY WE WOULD WANT TO DO THE WAIVER AGAIN? WHAT'S THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS? I THINK I THINK STAFF SEES THIS AS MORE OF A STREAMLINING OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE IN ONE YEAR, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK OUT THERE RE-INSPECT.

THIS WOULD PRETTY MUCH ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING IN ONE STEP RATHER THAN TWO.

BUT HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM A MAINTENANCE BOND OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE MAINTENANCE BOND IN PLACE FOR ONE YEAR.

SO IF THE STREET START CRACKING OR SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY HAVE TO GO AND FIX IT.

CORRECT. SO HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WAITING ANOTHER YEAR TO ACCEPT? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS SITTING THERE WONDERING ABOUT.

THE PROCESS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS THE FIRST STEP IS A PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY BY THE CITY MANAGER.

THERE'S A MAINTENANCE BOND OR THAT PERIOD.

FINAL ACCEPTANCE CANNOT OCCUR UNTIL AT LEAST A YEAR AFTER THAT, AT WHICH POINT THERE'S ANOTHER MAINTENANCE BOND.

SO THERE'S A TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND PERIOD, A PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE AND THEN A FINAL ACCEPTANCE. AND THEN.

THAT MAINTENANCE BOND OVER THE PERIOD OF THE YEAR, THE FINAL ACCEPTANCE, WHICH WAS APPARENTLY NOT THE WAY THE CITY DID IT BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND IT SEEMS A MORE REASONABLE PROCESS SINCE THERE IS A MAINTENANCE BOND FOR THE FINAL ACCEPTANCE TO JUST HAVE THE FINAL ACCEPTANCE IF ALL THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE AND CAN BE ACCEPTED AS SUCH.

YOU KNOW TYPICALLY SPEAKING, A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THE END OF THAT PROJECT.

THE CONTRACTOR IS EXPECTED TO STAND BEHIND THAT THAT PROJECT FOR A YEAR.

RIGHT? TO COVER ANYTHING THAT MAY GO AWRY, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AS A RESULT OF POOR CONSTRUCTION. POOR SUPPLY, WHATEVER, AS WALTER ALLUDED TO PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF OUR CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT'S WHAT THE CITY DID.

THE PROJECT GETS COMPLETED.

CITY STAFF WALKS THROUGH.

EVERYBODY LOOKS AT IT.

IT'S IT'S READY TO BE OCCUPIED.

IT'S READY TO BE TAKEN CARE, TAKEN POSSESSION OF.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, A ONE YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD STARTS.

RIGHT? THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE EXTENDS THAT ESSENTIALLY TO TWO YEARS.

WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AT SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE GOING IN AND WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME. THERE'S ALREADY DRIVEWAYS BUILT, THERE'S ALREADY SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE BEEN MODIFIED.

THINGS THAT TOTALLY OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE DEVELOPER OR THE CONTRACTOR.

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AND HE CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO COME BACK IN THERE AND FIX STUFF THAT'S BEEN MODIFIED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. YEAH, I WAS I WAS HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE IN THE [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR CITY STREETS AND OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH THAT WITHIN FIVE YEARS, SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ARE ALREADY FALLING APART AND CRACKING.

AND SO ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS RIGHT NOW I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN THREE YEARS, FOUR YEAR TIME WHEN WE'VE ACCEPTED THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND NOW WE HAVE CONCRETE STREETS OR SIDEWALKS THAT ARE BROKEN AND CRACKED BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO I GUESS I CAN SEE THE POINT OF A TWO YEAR.

BUT IT DOES WORRY ME.

WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS ENOUGH TO FIX IN ANGLETON.

THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND THE CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES TODAY HAVE NOT DIMINISHED FROM WHAT THEY'VE BEEN OVER THE PAST 25, 30 YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T. WE HAVEN'T.

THE CITY HASN'T MINIMIZED THE THE REQUIREMENTS OF CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS SINCE.

SO WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IS PRETTY WELL BEEN PROVEN TO WORK.

SO THAT AND TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN BOOTH, WE WE DO WE DO REQUIRE SOIL TESTS, WE REQUIRE CONCRETE BREAKS.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THE TEST FOR THE QUALITY OF CONCRETE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT.

WHEN WE DO THE WALK-THROUGHS OF THE THE SITES, WE'RE LOOKING FOR HAIRLINE FRACTURES AND CONCRETE. ANYTHING THAT TELLS US THAT THAT'S THAT'S A POOR QUALITY PRODUCT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DO THE PUNCH LIST AND THE FINAL WALK THROUGH AND HAVE IT REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING. YEAH.

OK, COUNCIL, ANYTHING ELSE? YOU SAY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE A WAIVER FOR BEFORE? YES, WE HAVE. IS IT? WE'VE WE'VE DONE IT WITH RIVERWOOD RANCH.

WE'VE DONE IT WITH GRAY STONE.

SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? I JUST ASKED WALT IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT IN OUR LDC REVISION.

I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE NORMAL PROCESS THAT MOST CITIES USE.

SO YOU MEAN THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL STEP THAT MOST THAN MOST CITIES USE? CORRECT. I WORKED FOR A MISSOURI CITY AND PEARLAND, AND WE.

WE DID JUST ONE YEAR NOT TWO.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND IT, IT GIVES US EXTRA PROTECTION, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW BE CONSISTENT, LET'S BE CONSISTENT.

I JUST DON'T LIKE DOING WAIVERS ALL THE TIME.

WELL WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARD THAT END.

I AGREE ON CONSISTENCY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH, RIGHT? COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR PACKET.

I MOVE WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A WAIVER OF PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR GIFFORD MEADOWS SUBDIVISION.

I SECOND IT. CAN YOU PLEASE AMEND THAT TO SAY, SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW OF THE MAINTENANCE BOND? YES, THANK YOU.

SO MOVED.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA FOR APPROVAL OF THE OF THE GIFFORD MEADOWS DIVISION WAIVER ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

AYE. MOTION CARRIES.

FOUR, ONE. ALL RIGHT.

LISTEN, JUST A SECOND, MS. LINDSEY IS. IS THE OWNER OR HERE TONIGHT? IS THE OWNER HERE TONIGHT, OK? WELL, I JUST WANT TO BECAUSE.

THEY SEND THIRD PARTIES A LOT OF TIME, AND I THINK THE OWNERS, THESE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR US TO APPROVE WHAT THEY WANT, MIGHT BE A GOOD.

GOOD IDEA IN THE FUTURE TO SAY, COME.

I AGREE. LET'S SEE YOU FACE TO FACE.

I THINK MR. PELTIER CAN SPEAK TO MY RECOMMENDATION TO HIM TO BE PRESENT TONIGHT.

SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT MORE OF A STANDARD PRACTICE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I RECOGNIZE MR. ROGERS IF HE WALKED IN HERE OR NOT.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR THE CITY TO HIRE AN

[9. Discussion and possible action on a request for the City to hire an alternative public improvement district (PID) administrator for the Greystone Subdivision Development. ]

ALTERNATIVE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE GREYSTONE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT. GO AHEAD, CHRIS.

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SO ON DECEMBER 3RD, MR. [INAUDIBLE] CAME TO MY OFFICE AND ASKED FOR [INAUDIBLE] HILL TO BE THE REIMBURSEMENT ADMINISTRATOR OF [INAUDIBLE] HILL, WHICH ADMINISTERS THE GREENWOOD TRAILS DEVELOPMENT AND SAID IT WAS A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, IT'S A COST BURDEN THAT P3, OUR CURRENT ADMINISTRATOR FOR ALL PIDS, WHETHER IT'S REIMBURSEMENT OR BOND PIDS.

IS IT A 16 PERCENT FEE AND [INAUDIBLE] HILL IS IT A FIVE PERCENT FEE.

AND I SAID THAT WAS NOT MY ABILITY TO CHANGE BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MADE THAT DECISION.

AND SO I WOULD BRING THAT AFTER WE REVIEWED IT INTERNALLY TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.

AND SO HERE WE ARE.

OK. MR. [INAUDIBLE], YOU SENT A REQUEST TO SPEAK.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK? GREG [INAUDIBLE] GREYSTONE DEVELOPMENT 107 SUMAC LAKE JACKSON.

OH, OK.

SO, YEAH, IT'S YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WHEN WE INITIALLY BROUGHT OUR PID, WHICH WAS NEW TO ME, THE FIRST TIME I HAD DONE A PID TO ANGLETON, WHICH WAS JUNE OF 2020, WE FOLLOWED GREEN TRAILS PATH WHICH THEY HAD JUST BEEN APPROVED, I GUESS, SIX MONTHS BEFORE WHICH INCLUDED [INAUDIBLE] HILL HANDLING THE PID PAPERWORK TO GET US TO HAVE A PID.

AND THEN ALSO ADMINISTER IT FOR A FIVE PERCENT FEE.

SO WE BUILT ALL OF OUR.

AGREEMENTS AROUND A SET FEE AND THEN OUT OF THAT CAME FIVE PERCENT FOR THEM TO COLLECT IT BECAUSE I DID NOT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO SELL, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA ASSESSMENT OR A TAX ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. THAT'S HARD ENOUGH.

BUT NOW YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO BE A MOVING TARGET OR YOU'RE NOT SURE.

WE DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT.

SO ANYWAY, SO OUR DEAL WENT DOWN THE PIKE OF 987, MINUS THE FIVE PERCENT FOR THE 97 NEVER CHANGED TO THE CUSTOMER.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE.

WELL, AS WE FINALIZED IT, WE GOT INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAD HIRED P3, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT P3'S COLLECTION FEES DIFFERENT.

IT'S 16 PERCENT AND THEN IT GOES UP TWO PERCENT A YEAR.

WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS I CALLED THE P3, JOHN SNYDER SAID, JOHN, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR MINE.

I'VE SOLD THIS AT A FIVE PERCENT CAP RATE COLLECTED.

I'M GETTING THE TOTAL FEES 987 MINUS FIVE PERCENT AND THAT'S IT.

NOW YOU'RE DOING THIS.

AND HE SAID, I UNDERSTAND YOURS WAS INVOLVED BEFORE HE WAS ACTUALLY A CONTRACTOR OF ANGLETON, AND HE'S FINE AND EVEN SUGGEST THAT [INAUDIBLE] HILL ADMINISTER OUR PID.

HE DOESN'T HE DOESN'T WANT TO, BECAUSE THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

TO THE END CLIENTS, ONE HUNDRED AND TEN DOLLARS A YEAR, AND THAT'S INCREASING.

RIGHT. SO WE CAN I MEAN, GREEN TRAILS IS HANDLED NOW, CHRIS CORRECTLY BY [INAUDIBLE] HILL.

OK. OR WILL BE.

WE'LL BE THE SECOND ONE AND.

AND I GUESS THE ONLY TWO THAT'LL BE HANDLED BY [INAUDIBLE] HILL.

BUT YOU'RE SAVING CUSTOMERS OF GRAYSTONE OVER $100 A YEAR, WHICH INCREASES, AND WITH THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH [INAUDIBLE] HILL, IT DOESN'T INCREASE.

SO WHEN DID YOU WHEN DID YOU LEARN THAT P3 WAS YOUR BOND ADMINISTRATOR? JUST WHEN ACTUALLY THE CITY, JUDITH AND CHRIS LET US KNOW THAT WE HAD A DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT, IT WAS GOING TO BE, I THINK, JUDITH, YOU MAY HAVE THE NUMBER.

WHAT IF WE WENT WITH [INAUDIBLE] HILL WHAT WOULD OUR FEE BE? I HAVE NO IDEA.

WELL, WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FROM [INAUDIBLE] CHRIS, YOU KNOW THAT? I MEAN, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION IN AUGUST AND THAT WAS TIM GREEN, REG, JUDITH, MYSELF THAT WAS MISSING ON THAT CONVERSATION, WHERE AGAIN, WE NEGOTIATE WITH REG ON THE

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POTENTIAL PID POLICY. HEY, YOU'RE FALLING IN THE MIDDLE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE HARDSHIP OF OF WHAT THE CITY PASSED AND WE'LL LET YOU PAY. YOU KNOW, WE AGREE TO LETTING YOU PAY THE PID OUT OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE PID INSTEAD OF PHASE THREE WHERE YOU PAID UP IN 10, 10 PERCENT.

YOU KNOW, WE AGREED TO NOT GO HARD ON THE FEES FOR PHASE ONE AND TWO AND JUST CALL IT A, YOU KNOW, LUMP SUM GENERAL SERVICE THING, WHICH WE HAVE FOR THE BOTH THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT AND THE SAP.

SO ALL THIS DISCUSSION HAPPENED IN AUGUST.

YES. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU LEARNED OF P3 IN AUGUST.

AN ADDITION OF YEAH.

AS A COLLECTION AGENT, CORRECT? YEAH, WE HAD WE'D NEVER HAVE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT P3 AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO RUFFLE FEATHERS OF P3.

P3 HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH ANGLETON TO HANDLE PIDS.

THAT'S FINE. WE DON'T NEED THEM HANDLING ON OUR PID.

WHY WOULD YOU BE DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, BECAUSE OUR AGREEMENT WITH [INAUDIBLE] HILL AND OUR AGREEMENT WITH MY, WITH MY, WITH MY CUSTOMERS, MEANING MY BUILDERS AND MY PEOPLE THAT I'VE SOLD HOMES TO IS WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT AT A SET PRICE OF 987 TO PID PERIOD THEY NEVER PAY ANYMORE.

AND OUT OF THAT BECOMES FIVE PERCENT.

WHAT AGREEMENT DO YOU HAVE WITH [INAUDIBLE] HILL? YES, I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT.

WE'LL HAVE AGREEMENT FOR THEM TO ADMINISTER THE PID AT THAT AMOUNT.

BUT THE CITY DOESN'T. BUT THE CITY, BUT WELL, THE CITY AGREED THAT [INAUDIBLE] HILL WAS GOING TO BE MY ADMINISTRATOR WHEN I APPROACHED THE CITY IN JUNE OF 2020 AT A FIVE PERCENT RATE. WELL, WELL, CHRIS, IT WAS IN WRITING.

I MEAN, IT WAS A.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT REG.

CAN YOU PRODUCE IT WRITING? YOU SAY IT'S IN WRITING THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRODUCE.

WELL IF IT'S IN WRITING AND CLEARS A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF.

I MEAN, IT CERTAINLY HELPS. I'M TRYING TO I LOVE TO SEE IT.

I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOU. I JUST NEED TO SEE IT.

WELL, OK, WE'LL DEFINITELY SHOW IT TO YOU.

THE 987 WITH A FIVE PERCENT FEE.

CAN CAN YOU PULL UP THE MINUTES FROM 2020? JUNE. REG WE ASKED YOU TO PRODUCE IT.

YOU SAID YOU'D PRODUCE IT.

OK, I CAN'T PRODUCE IT NOW, BUT I WILL IN THE MORNING.

SO WHO SIGNED IT? IT WAS I DON'T KNOW, THE COUNCIL HAS SIGNED IT WHEN WE APPROVE THE PID AND THE WAY THE PID WAS GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED IN THAT MEETING.

I'LL BE HONEST, I HAVE NO INDEPENDENT RECOLLECTION.

I SOUND LIKE A POLITICIAN.

[INAUDIBLE] BUT I DO REMEMBER WE HAVING DISCUSSIONS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK DISCUSSING ANYTHING ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] HILL BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE CHRIS WENT THROUGH A STEP BY STEP PROCESS WHERE HE INTRODUCED JOHN SNYDER AND P3, AND HE EDUCATED US ON WHAT A PID WAS AND WHAT THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITY AS A BOND ADMINISTRATOR WAS.

AND THEN WHEN WE FINALLY GOT BACK TO HAVING THEM BE OUR THE CITY'S ADMINISTRATION OF THE PID. MAYBE I'M WRONG.

THAT'S WHY I SAID I HAVE NO INDEPENDENT RECOLLECTION, BUT THAT'S MY BEST TO MY MEMORY OF THE EVENTS AS IT TOOK PLACE.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE HOW IT CHANGED FROM.

WE WERE THE ONLY REASON WE GOT TO INTRODUCE THE [INAUDIBLE] HILL IN THE VERY BEGINNING IS THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY.

BACK IN OCTOBER OF NINETEEN, [INAUDIBLE] HILL WAS DEFINITELY GOING TO HANDLE THE PID PAPERWORK WITH THE CITY AS THEY JUST HAD DONE GREEN TRAILS, AND THEY WERE ALSO GOING TO ADMINISTER THE PID AT FIVE PERCENT.

JUST THEY HAD DONE GREEN TRAILS.

ALL HAD BEEN IT. SO NEVER SOLIDIFIED IN WRITING WITH.

WELL, GREEN TRAILS WAS AND WE WERE THE NEXT IN LINE.

BUT YOU'RE NOT GREEN TRAILS, RIGHT? CHRIS? OK, I MEAN, OK, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS THAT WAS OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND [INAUDIBLE] HILL AT THE TIME.

OK, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE SPEAKING GLOBALLY, THIS CITY, WHO PARTICULARLY FROM THE CITY, ARE YOU HAVING THIS AGREEMENT WITH? OK, WE HAVE TO GO BACK.

IF IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WALTER, I'M GOING TO ASK WALTER QUESTIONS.

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KNOW. SO WHO IS IT FROM THE CITY THAT YOU HAD? WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF THE THE VERY FIRST PAPERWORK THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY BY SCOTT DEAN, WHICH WAS [INAUDIBLE] HILL, WHICH WAS THE THE CONTRACTOR THAT THE CITY TOLD US TO GO THROUGH VERY CLEARLY HAD.

THE FEE OF THE COLLECTION FEE BEEN NUMEROUS THINGS, THERE'S EMAILS.

IT WAS PART OF THE THE COUNCIL PACKAGE, BUT COUNCIL, THE THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND HERE IS WE YOU GUYS HAVE A DECISION.

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WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO'VE ALREADY BOUGHT LOTS AND THE BUILDERS AT A 987 AND A FIVE PERCENT COLLECTION FEE THAT [INAUDIBLE] HILL IS WILLING TO UPHOLD.

AND SNYDER WITH P3 IS WILLING TO SAY, I DON'T WANT GRAYSTONE ANYWAY.

I DON'T WANT GREEN TRAILS.

THEY'RE GOING TO. HE'S ALLOWING [INAUDIBLE] HILL TO HANDLE IT.

AND IF Y'ALL WANT TO, WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE FEE TO THE RESIDENTS OF GRAYSTONE BY ONE HUNDRED AND TEN DOLLARS A YEAR FOR 30 YEARS, WHICH INCREASES OR WE CAN ACCEPT [INAUDIBLE] HILL'S AGREEMENT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE PEOPLE.

YOU SAY SNYDER DOESN'T WANT YOUR BUSINESS.

HE DOESN'T. WANT YOUR BUSINESS.

ASK HIM. HE'LL TELL YOU HE'LL TELL YOU.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW YOU SEEM TO.

YOU'RE TELLING US WHAT THE RULE OF LAW WOULD BE.

HEARSAY. YOU'RE TELLING ME WHAT SOMETHING ELSE, HE SAYS.

OK, YOU WANT US TO ACCEPT FOR A FACT THAT HE DOESN'T WANT YOUR BUSINESS.

OK, SO TELL US WHY HE WOULDN'T WANT YOUR BUSINESS.

WELL, CHRIS, I THINK IF YOU'RE HELPFUL, YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT HE'S EXPLAINED TO CHRIS THAT HE WOULD RATHER GRAYSTONE BE HANDLED WITH [INAUDIBLE] HILL.

BUT WHY? PROBABLY BECAUSE I'M COMING IN SAYING, HEY, THE COLLECTION SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND FIVE PERCENT AND YOU'RE CHARGING 16 AND YOU WANT TO GO UP TWO PERCENT A YEAR AT THE END OF THE THIRD YEAR, THE COLLECTION GUY IS MAKING THREE HUNDRED AND SOMETHING DOLLARS ON A NINE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS COLLECTION.

BUT THAT Y'ALLS AGREEMENT WITH P3.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT MY PEOPLE IN GREYSTONE STRAPPED WITH THAT AGREEMENT WHEN WE HAD AN AGREEMENT, THAT'S MUCH BETTER.

BEFORE THAT.

IN SEPTEMBER, WE AGREED THAT IT WAS P3? YES, YOU DID. AND YOU WERE PRESENT? NO. OK. WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT THAT P3 WAS GOING TO BE THE ADMINISTRATOR OF [INAUDIBLE]? WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH JUDITH AND CHRIS ON THE REIMBURSEMENT SAP.

THAT WAS IT WAS AUGUST. WE HAD THE TELEPHONE CONFERENCE WITH TIM GREEN, REG, MYSELF AND JUDITH AND JOHN SNYDER.

AND WE SAID, P3'S THE ADMINISTRATOR, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE UNAWARE OF THE PID POLICY AND AND THE PID ADMINISTRATOR.

AND AND THAT'S THE CITY'S DIRECTION.

SO IF AUGUST YOU WERE PUT ON NOTICE THAT P3, I MEAN, ASSUMING CHRIS IS CORRECT, THAT AUGUST YOU WERE PUT ON NOTICE THAT P3 WAS GOING TO BE THE ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS THAT.

SO WHY DO YOU WAIT TILL DECEMBER TO COME TO US WITH A COMPLAINT ABOUT WHO THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE PID IS? WHAT WAS IT? WAS THAT A THREE MONTH LAG THERE? YEAH, I CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT TIME.

WHAT I CAN EXPLAIN IS THAT WHEN WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE NEW P3 AGREEMENT THAT WE'D NEVER HAD HEARD OF P3 A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, IT WAS [INAUDIBLE] HILL AND FIVE PERCENT. WHEN WE FOUND THAT OUT WAS A DOCUMENT FROM JUDITH AND CHRIS SHOWING US WHAT OUR PAYMENT SCHEDULE IS GOING TO BE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER IS THE PAYMENT TO THE CUSTOMER.

THE PERSON BUYING THE HOUSE IN GRAYSTONE INSTEAD OF 987 WAS LIKE 1140, AND IT WENT UP AND I SAID, NO, WE GOT AN AGREEMENT.

I'VE SOLD LOTS, I'VE SOLD HOMES.

I'VE GOT PEOPLE MOVING IN 1ST OF FEBRUARY AND WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANY MORE 987.

AND WE GOT TO WE GOT TO 10 OR WE GOT A FIVE PERCENT COLLECTION AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

NOW, IF YOU GUYS FORCE ME TO DO A 16 PERCENT AND ESCALATE TWO PERCENT, THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MODIFY WHAT THAT PERSON PAYS.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM. AND ON TOP OF THAT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THINGS CHANGE OR MIGHT HAVE CHANGED THE THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I CREATED AND STARTED THE PID, THERE WAS NEVER A PAYMENT TO THE CITY.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T DESERVE IT.

CITIES DON'T NORMALLY DO THAT NOW THAT I'M LEARNING.

BUT THERE WAS NEVER ANY KNOWLEDGE OF US PAYING PART OF THE PID TO THE CITY DURING THE PID AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY DID PUT THAT THAT Y'ALL ARE NOW CHARGING 10 PERCENT OF THE PID.

SO I SAID, OK, I STILL AGREE WITH IT, 987.

I GOT FIVE PERCENT FOR COLLECTION AND NOW I GOT 10 PERCENT FOR THE CITY EVERY YEAR.

BUT I'M OK WITH THAT BECAUSE I'M AGREEING ON WHAT I AGREED IN THE BEGINNING.

OK, LET'S SAY WE WENT WITH YOU JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING.

I TALKED ABOUT THE LAG THERE, OK, LAG FROM THE FROM SEPTEMBER TO DECEMBER BETWEEN YOUR RECOGNITION THAT P3 WAS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE PID.

OK. WE LET THEM KNOW IMMEDIATELY AS SOON AS WE AS SOON AS WE SAW THAT.

CHRIS JUST EXPLAINED EARLIER THAT ON DECEMBER 3RD.

I THINK THAT'S HOW IT STARTED.

THIS CONVERSATION IS ON DECEMBER 3RD.

YOU CAME IN AND YOU WITH SOME CERTAIN REQUESTS, OK? AND YOU JUST YOU DISAGREE WITH HIS TIMELINE THAT ON DECEMBER 3RD, YOU CAME INTO HIS

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OFFICE. NO, I DON'T WANT TO SPLIT HAIRS HERE.

BUT NO, NO, NO, NO, I DON'T.

I'M NOT. I DON'T WANT DISAGREEING.

GETTING THE FIGHT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EMAILS, PROBABLY THE DAY THAT TIM GREEN GOT THE EMAIL FROM JUDITH SHOWING A DIFFERENT PAY SCHEDULE AND A 16 PERCENT.

IF WE LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, PROBABLY THAT DAY, HE SAID.

NO, WE'RE THAT'S NOT OUR AGREEMENT AND PROBABLY WITHIN DAYS, I'VE GOT PHONE RECORDS TO JOHN SNYDER SAYING, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WE CAN'T DO THIS.

AND HE SAID, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T DO THIS.

AND HE LITERALLY AGREED.

AND THERE'S EMAILS WITH HIM AND CHRIS SAYING, WE ARE LETTING [INAUDIBLE] HILL HANDLE THAT. OK, WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST.

I WANT TO LAY MY EYES ON IT, BUT HERE'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE LAG. OK? DID YOU DO BUSINESS WITH P3 IN THE TIME OF OF OF SEPTEMBER, WHEN THIS CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED P3 AS OUR ADMINISTRATOR AND DECEMBER 3RD IN THAT MEETING WITH YOUR BUSINESS? DO ANY BUSINESS OR WORK WITH P3 SO THAT THE CITY WOULD INCUR A BILL FOR WORK DONE BY P3 AS A PID ADMINISTRATOR? NO, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ADMINISTERING ANY OF MY PIDS.

I DIDN'T HAVE A PID AT THAT TIME.

NOW I SPOKE WITH JOHN SNYDER AND SO DID TIM.

SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SENT THE CITY A BILL OR ANYTHING FOR YOUR WORK WITH YOU.

YOU'RE ASKING ME, DID THEY SEND A BILL TO THE CITY? RIGHT, SUGGESTING THAT YOU TWO HAD DONE WORK.

THEY'RE GOING TO BILL US AT RATE.

I HAVE I CAN'T IMAGINE THEY WOULD HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF IT.

IF THEY HAD HYPOTHETICALLY SENT US A BILL FOR WORK, THEY HAD BEEN DONE ON YOUR BEHALF AS A P3 ADMINISTRATOR, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO REIMBURSE US THOSE FEES? IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR FOR ME TO ACCEPT IT, BECAUSE MY AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY WAS NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH P3.

IT WAS COMPLETELY [INAUDIBLE] HILL FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEN P3 COMES INTO THE SITUATION. WE UNDERSTAND IT.

WE REACH OUT TO THE CITY AND A P3 AND SAY WE THIS IS NOT WHERE WE AGREED.

P3 AGREES WITH US.

SO WHY AM I GOING TO PAY THREE P3 TO AGREE WITH US? OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DO YOU THINK IT'S FAIR FOR US TO SIT UP HERE PROTECTING THE TAXPAYERS TO INCUR A COST AT YOUR EXPENSE FOR, SAY, LET'S SAY, TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THEN NOT ASK YOU TO PAY THAT BILL, BUT US PASS TO THE TAXPAYER, DO YOU THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE TAXPAYER? [INAUDIBLE] I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR, WE WANT YOU TO DO YOUR BUSINESS, WE WANT YOU TO DO IT WELL, AND I KNOW THEY ARE GREAT HOUSES.

I'VE LOOKED AT HIM. I LOVE SOMEBODY ELSE.

YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT OR.

I'M NOT OK.

YOU KNOW, AS A DEVELOPER COMING INTO ANGLETON, RIGHT, WE'VE I'M NOT SURE YOU WANT ME GOING TO THIS WHOLE STORY, BUT WE'VE DEVELOPED DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PROJECTS ANGLETON.

WE COME IN AND IT WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS MOVING PARTS WITH ALL THE WAY BACK TO SCOTT ALBERT, WITH SCOTT ABBOTT SAYING NO CAP FEES AND NO PARK FEES.

YOU KNOW WHAT? WE PAID TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.

OK. THE WHOLE PID DEAL WAS DIRECTED BY THE CITY.

YOU GO TO HALLS HILL, AND HERE'S THE AGREEMENT.

I DID NOT KNOW EVEN WHAT A PID WAS BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED.

I LEARNED A PID. NOW PIDS ARE LITERALLY THE THING IN TEXAS, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S ADVANTAGEOUS. JUST ADVANTAGEOUS TO YOU.

THE PID IS ADVANTAGEOUS TO YOU.

THE REASON IS ADVANTAGEOUS TO ME IS I CAN DO THE PROJECT AND SELL THE LIGHTS FOR FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS INSTEAD OF SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND, AND I CAN MOVE IT AND I CAN GET PAYMENT LATER. IT'S NOT I WISH.

I WISH IT WAS AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPER WAS WHERE THE PIDS WEREN'T NEEDED, BECAUSE NOW THAT'S WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE DOING.

THEY'RE SPREADING THEIR THEIR THEIR INCOME OVER TIME TO BE ABLE TO SELL.

THAT'S EVERY. THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE MARKET.

BUT. YOU KNOW, WE CAME IN AND WE GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN WE GO THROUGH, OK, HERE'S A NEW PID ADMINISTRATOR.

YOU WERE TOLD IT WAS GOING TO BE FIVE PERCENT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIVE PERCENT BECAUSE THE CITY VOTED TO HIRE THIS COMPANY AND IT'S GOING TO BE SIXTEEN PERCENT.

WHOA, WHO'S GOING TO PAY THAT DIFFERENCE? ONE HUNDRED AND TEN DOLLARS MORE PER YEAR? THE GUY IN GRAYSTONE, WHOSE IDEA WAS IT FOR YOU TO INCUR A PID? WAS IT YOUR IDEA OR WAS IT THE CITY'S? OH, NO. WELL, IT WAS A WE HAD AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS A PID, A POSSIBILITY DURING THE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY.

SO IT WAS IT WAS MY IT'S MY DECISION.

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IT'S NOT THE CITY DIDN'T FORCE ME TO DO IT, BUT THE CITY WAS VERY ENCOURAGING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A PID WHICH CREATED US TO DO THE DEAL.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE DEAL WITHOUT A PID.

NO QUESTION WE COULDN'T HAVE IT FINANCIALLY WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.

AND NOW I'M FIGHTING WITH TRUTHFULLY BANKERS GOING, WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON WITH THIS PID IT'S UP, IT'S DOWN.

IT'S GOOD, IT'S NOT. AND I'M LIKE, AND IT'S TRUTHFULLY TO ME, IT'S CRAZY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE LOWEST PID. IN ALL OF ANGLETON, IN THE IN THE CUSTOM PRODUCT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD THE LOWEST PID IN Y'ALL ARE FIGHTING OVER A COLLECTION DEAL THAT WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT WITH HALLS HILL, KEEP IT AT FIVE PERCENT.

DON'T CHARGE THOSE GUYS GET.

GUESS WHAT? THE PEOPLE IN IT? NOW THEY'VE GOT TO. NOW IT'S GOING TO.

INSTEAD OF BEING NINE EIGHTY SEVEN, IT'S GOING TO BE ELEVEN FORTY AND IT'S GOING TO GO UP. AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY IT'S GOING TO GO UP AND IT'S GOING UP TWO PERCENT PER YEAR.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

YOU DID. ONE THING YOU KEEP SAYING, THOUGH, THAT THIS IS WHERE I THINK THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENT OR AT LEAST I DON'T UNDERSTAND YET.

AS YOU KEEP SAYING, WE MEANING YOUR BUSINESS HAS A DEAL WITH HALL'S HILL, BUT NOT WE.

THE CITY HAVE TO DEAL WITH HALLS HILL, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE BIG DIVIDE IS RIGHT NOW. WELL, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A BIG DIVIDE, TRAVIS, BECAUSE THAT'S EASY.

THE DOCUMENTATION THAT HALLS HILL PRESENTED WITH ME AND GREG STONE IS IDENTICAL TO ME, AND AND GREEN TRAILS AND ALL ALONG THE WAY, THE FEE THAT I PAID THEM THE SAME AS GREEN TRAILS PAYS, THE FEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE GREEN TRAILS IS THE EXACT SAME IN MANY DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM.

IT'S FIVE PERCENT, BUT I MEAN, YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SELL YOUR HOUSE AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THAN GREEN TRAILS IS GOING TO SELL THEIRS AT THAT.

SAY THAT AGAIN. YOU SAY GREEN TRAILS.

YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO SELL YOURS AT A MUCH.

I MEAN, YOU'RE CATERING TO A DIFFERENT, TOTALLY DIFFERENT BUYER THAN I THINK, THAT'S TRUE. SO WOULDN'T YOU EXPECT TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE? I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT THERE TO BE A HIGHER COST INCURRED, MORE CONCRETE POUR BECAUSE YOU GOT A LIGHTER LOT.

SO YOU'VE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED.

I MEAN, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS A AS A AS A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CATERING TO A DIFFERENT.

I'M NOT REALLY GREEN TRAILS IS ONE STRING, AND HE'S JUST COMPARING THE TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT GREEN TRAILS IS A MUCH SMALLER WITH ONE STREET, JUST TOWNHOMES GOING ON BOTH SIDES AS OPPOSED TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A LOT LARGER LOTS, A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN GREEN TRAILS.

IT'S TRUE. WHAT'S THE QUESTION NOW? YEAH, OURS IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED AND BETTER THAN GREEN TRAILS, BUT IT COSTS MORE TO TAKE CARE OF A BETTER PROJECT OR A BIGGER PROJECT, COST MORE TO DO, TO ADMINISTER.

NO, NO, IT'S NO.

IT'S IT'S A IT'S A THAT'S NOT.

THAT'S THE CONCERN OF THE CITY, I THINK SHOULD BE WHO'S GOING TO ADMINISTER THESE PIDS AT THE BEST COST? THAT'S YALLS DECISION.

I'VE GOT MINE PID ADMINISTRATIVE FIVE PERCENT.

APPARENTLY, ACROSS TEXAS, FIVE PERCENT IS A GOOD RATE.

SEVEN PERCENT IS A GOOD RATE.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE GETTING 16 PERCENT.

THAT'S WHAT I KNOW. SO BUT BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE PID, THAT'S NOT.

WHY IS IT MY CONCERN? IT'S NOT. WELL, IT IS MY CONCERN BECAUSE THIS IS MY PID, BUT IT'S THE PID IS GOING TO BE ADMINISTERED. AND IF IT CAN BE DONE AT A LESS COST TO THE GUY BUYING THE HOUSE IN ANGLETON, WHY DON'T WE LET THE LESS COSTS DO IT? AND TRUTHFULLY, THERE IS NO MORE WORK, WHETHER IT'S A 40 FOOT LOT OR 70 FOOT LOT.

SO AGAIN, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO OVERSEE THE PID, AND IF COST IS THE ISSUE AND THIS IS A HARDSHIP, THEN WE SHOULD GO FIND SOMEONE AT FOUR PERCENT.

I MEAN, WHY? WHY SHOULDN'T WE SAVE HIM MONEY AND WE SHOULD GO OUT FOR RFQ AND SPEND A COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU KNOW, AND AND SEE WHAT COMES IN AND SEE IF THERE'S A BETTER COST TO DO THAT. AND IF HALLS HILL COMES OUT THE BEST DEAL, THEN.

I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE CAN GO ALSO, AND I HAVE TO JUST ADD ONE OTHER THING THAT THERE IS A REFERENCE TO SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT IN 2020 THAT TALKS ABOUT THIS FIVE PERCENT. AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY PIDS WORK.

YOU DO A PID PETITION AND YOU COME AND ASK FOR THE CREATION OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT HALLS HILL DID ASSIST WITH AT THAT TIME, BUT NOT AT THAT TIME IS THERE ANY KIND OF SAP THE ASSESSMENT OR THE REIMBURSEMENT THAT SETS OUT THE EXPENSES SO THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN AT THAT JUNCTURE ABOUT WHATEVER THAT AGREEMENT MIGHT HAVE SAID? IT NEVER GOT TO THAT POINT IN 2020.

NOW WHAT HAPPENED? THE THE FACTUAL SCENARIO THAT INTERJECTED WAS THAT THE CITY ADOPTED A PID POLICY.

CORRECT. SO THAT IS REALLY THE FACTUAL SCENARIO THAT INTERJECTED INTO THIS TRAJECTORY

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THAT HALLS HILL STARTED.

HALLS HILL WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PETITION ONLY IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND HALLS HILL.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, DOESN'T EXIST.

I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT FROM HALLS HILL.

SO THE INTERVENING FACTOR IS THAT THE CITY ADOPTED A PID POLICY TO ASSURE COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S INTERESTS WERE TAKEN CARE OF AND A PID CONSULTANT WAS HIRED.

THAT CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY FOR THE DEVELOPER AND OTHER DEVELOPERS AS WELL, BUT THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT. THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NO ASSESSMENT PLAN MADE AT THAT POINT THAT.

AT LEAST NOT FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, IT COULD BE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD SOME KIND OF CALCULATIONS GOING ON WITH SCOTT HILL.

WE WERE NOT A PARTY TO THAT RIGHT? SO, REG, IF YOU DEVELOP FURTHER IN ANGLETON AND CREATE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT AND REQUEST A PID, WOULD YOU REQUEST GOING BACK TO HALLS HILL? AGAIN. WELL AT THAT TIME, I'M TALKING IN THE FUTURE.

WELL, I MENTIONED AT THAT TIME I WOULD FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I'M GOING I'M GETTING INTO WHEN I GET INTO IT.

SO IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

I WOULD HATE IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY SOMEONE ELEVEN PERCENT MORE TO COLLECT, WHICH COLLECTED BY THE THE COUNTY, BY THE WAY, THEY'RE THE ONES COLLECTED.

IT'S JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE PID IS BASICALLY WHEN SOMEONE SELLS MAKING SURE THAT IS DONE, IT'S NOT.

THEY DON'T COLLECT IT. THE COUNTY COLLECTS IT RIGHT.

YOU DON'T HAVE COLLECTION FEES OF SIXTEEN PERCENT THAT GO UP TO FRIGGING FORTY PERCENT OVER 30 YEARS. BUT THAT'S THE DEAL.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, IF I CAME IN WITH A NEW ONE, THEN I WOULD EXPECT I'M GOING TO DO THAT, BUT I DIDN'T.

I CAME IN WITH THIS ONE AND I WAS DIRECTED TO WHERE I WAS, AND I HAVE A SET FEE THAT'S AGREED UPON BY HALLS HILL.

THE CITY HAS SEEN IT AND WE CAN SHOW THAT.

BUT BOTTOM LINE IS COUNCIL.

IF YOU IF YOU GUYS WANT ME TO GO FROM FIVE PERCENT SET FEE THAT I CAN GIVE THE CLIENT AT NINE EIGHTY SEVEN AND HOLD IT AND Y'ALL SAY, NO, WE WANT TO GO TO HALLS HILL BECAUSE WE THINK THEY'RE BETTER AND IT'S SIXTEEN PERCENT AND IT GOES UP.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH JUDAS DEAL AND HE'S GOING TO START AT ELEVEN FIFTY AND IT'S GOING TO MOVE UP. THE PEOPLE GET IT MOVED UP EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THE COLLECTION GETS MORE EXPENSIVE. IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO DO THAT, WE'LL DO IT.

I HAVE TO INTERRUPT THE CORRECTION ON JUDAS DEAL.

I'M THE CITY ATTORNEY.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAP THAT WAS PREPARED.

THAT'S CORRECT. BY THE CONSULTANT.

IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO THEN.

OK. YOU'RE CORRECT.

I'M SORRY. SO IF YOU ALL WANT US TO GO BY THE WHAT IT WAS DONE WITH THE CONSULTANT, WHICH WAS CHANGING FROM A FIVE PERCENT SET TO A SIXTEEN PERCENT MOVING UP TWO PERCENT EVERY YEAR. IT STARTS IT, I THINK, ELEVEN FIFTY , AND IT'S GOING TO MOVE UP.

SO MY ONLY CHALLENGE, IF YOU ALL MAKE ME DO THAT, IT'S GOING BACK TO MY CUSTOMERS AND SAYING THE NINE EIGHTY SEVEN, WHICH IS A HARD THING TO DO IN MY OPINION, NOT TAXES ARE TOO MUCH TO BEGIN WITH NINE EIGHTY SEVEN SET IS A LOT, BUT WHEN I GOT TO SAY IT'S ELEVEN FIFTY, IT MOVES UP TWO PERCENT A YEAR.

THAT'S DIFFERENT, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY QUESTION FROM EARLIER ABOUT FEES THE CITY HAS INCURRED ON COST WITH YOU, NEGOTIATING AND WORKING WITH P3 AS A PID ADMINISTRATOR. IF WE HAVE RECEIVED ANY BILLS FOR YOUR WORK WITH HIM, TRAVIS, IF THAT DOESN'T MAKES SENSE, IT DOES MAKE SENSE.

OK, THEN. OK. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BECAUSE I'M THE DEVELOPER THAT'S COMING IN ANGLETON THIS QUESTIONING AND MAKING SURE WE'RE GETTING THE BEST FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M GOING TO PAY A FEE FOR AN ATTORNEY OR A COMPANY THAT I NEVER EVEN KNEW UNTIL THREE OR FOUR WITH THEM. YES, YOU SHOULD. I HAVE NOT DONE BUSINESS WITH THEM.

THE ONLY REASON I THE ONLY REASON I EVER CALL P3 IS BECAUSE I NEVER KNEW P3 SPEAKERS] IF THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY AND THEY'RE DOING WORK ON YOUR BEHALF, WHETHER THAT WAS COMPLETED OR NOT, IT'S STILL A COST INCURRED FOR YOU.

AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO WALK AWAY FROM WHAT ALL THE PID ADMINISTRATOR OF P3 HAS ALREADY DONE. AND JUST.

OK, NO, NO. MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

SO YOU CAN GO. IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT WORTH IF THAT IS A CONCERN FOR COUNCIL AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU IF THAT'S SPEAKERS] IT'S A CONCERN. OK, THEN P3 NEEDS TO TELL ME WHAT WHAT THEY DID, AND I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WAS INSTRUCTED FROM THE BEGINNING, RIGHT? AND I WAS WITH HALLS HILL.

Y'ALL ELECTED P3 THAT'S FINE.

THE SAME TIME YOU ELECTED P3, YOU SAID.

AND BY THE WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY US TEN PERCENT.

SO WE ACCEPTED THE TEN PERCENT.

WE LOOKED AT P3, THAT'S WAY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE FIVE PERCENT.

SO WE START TALKING TO JOHN SNYDER AND NOW I GOT TO PAY HIS FEES FOR INTERJECTING.

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IF I GOT TO PAY HIS FEES, I PAY HIS FEES.

I I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'VE BEEN I'VE HEARD SIXTEEN PERCENT.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS FLAT UP UNTIL TONIGHT, AND THEN I FOUND OUT THAT IT IT INCREASES EVERY YEAR BY TWO PERCENT, IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE PAY STRUCTURE FROM P3, I CAN'T WITHOUT LOOKING AT THAT, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER EITHER, BUT JOHN SNYDER WOULD, TOO.

THAT WOULD BE DRACONIAN AFTER HE SAID HE WAS AVAILABLE AFTER 7:30.

AND JUDITH, I'M ON THE LINE.

[INAUDIBLE] THE QUESTION WAS THAT THE INITIAL THE INITIAL FEE IS SIXTEEN PERCENT, DOES IT GO UP TWO PERCENT EACH YEAR THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE MORTGAGE? SO I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I DIDN'T WANT TO.

I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE CONVERSATION, BUT.

OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF THE THE BILL OR THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, WE DRAFTED THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN THAT ACTUALLY LEVY THE ASSESSMENTS SO THAT THE BILL IS RELATED TO PREPARING THE SERVICE FOR ASSESSMENT IS TO ACTUALLY PUT THE ASSESSMENT DOWN TO THE PROPERTY AND IN TERMS OF HOW OUR FEE STRUCTURE WORKS, IT'S NOT A PERCENTAGE BASED.

I THINK I GUESS YOU CAN TURN ANYTHING INTO A PERCENTAGE, BUT OURS IS JUST IT'S A IT'S A FIXED DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THEN THAT FIXED DOLLAR AMOUNT INCREASES TO TWO PERCENT.

SO IT'S NOT IT. IT DOESN'T GO SIXTEEN PERCENT, EIGHTEEN PERCENT TO TWENTY PERCENT.

IT'S A FIXED DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE ASSUME TWO PERCENT INFLATION COST JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR CLIENTS AND RENEGOTIATE THE DEAL.

WE JUST HAVE A TWO PERCENT ESCALATOR, BUT TO REGGIE'S POINT.

I'VE TOLD REG THAT WE WOULD STEP ASIDE AND WITH NO HARD FEELINGS.

IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, THIS TRANSACTION ALREADY HAD SOME, SOME ISSUES WHERE I THINK BOND COUNCIL AND THE ATTORNEYS AND MYSELF TOO KIND OF HAD SOME CONCERNS OVER LEVYING ASSESSMENTS FOR IMPROVEMENTS HAD ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED, SO I PERSONALLY WOULD WOULD ALMOST PREFER TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS ONE.

[INAUDIBLE] I'D OBVIOUSLY LOVE TO ADMINISTER.

OTHER BITS OF THE CITY ARE CONSIDERING ESPECIALLY BOARD PIDS, WHICH WHICH ARE QUITE A BIT MORE COMPLICATED. THAT'S REALLY OUR SPECIALTY.

BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE CITY SAYS WE WANT P3 ADMINISTERING, I'LL HONOR THE CONTRACT. IF THEY SAY THEY WANT HALLS HILL, I'M NOT GOING TO BE UPSET, I SAID, AND WE'LL WORK ON TRANSITIONING AND GETTING ALL DOCUMENTATION OVER TO HALLS HALL [INAUDIBLE].

BUT AS YOU HEARD OTHERWISE, WELL, WE'RE SWITCHING TO HALLS HILL FOR.

REIMBURSEMENT PIDSS [INAUDIBLE] YOU'LL BE BACK ASKING FOR HALLS HILL.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT NOW IS.

IS [INAUDIBLE] NOW, AS YOU HEARD SCOTT, HE'S OK WITH LETTING IT IT GO WITH THE WAY IT WAS PLANNED, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE RESISTANCE FROM Y'ALL.

WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DO THAT IF THE PID ADMINISTRATOR THAT'S CONTRACT WITH CITY SAYS, I'M OK WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON AND IT SAVES THE PEOPLE MONEY.

WHY DON'T WE DO IT? IT'S ABOUT PRECEDENT TO ME.

FOR ME PERSONALLY? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.

UM. YOU KNOW.

THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF HICCUPS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE YOU'VE HAD TO COME BACK FOR. FOR US RETROACTIVELY OR MAKE A DECISION.

CAN I CAN I COMMENT ON THAT REAL QUICK? I'M SORRY, BUT OK.

THERE WAS A BIG HICCUP, NOT A LITTLE HICCUP, BIG HICCUP.

AND THE REASON FOR THE BIG NIGHT WE HAVING TO GET INTO THIS? OKAY. THE REASON THE BIG HICCUP WAS THE SOLE REASON WE.

BROUGHT THE PID TO THE CITY AND GOT APPROVAL OF THE PID AND ALL THE BASICS OF THE PID, INCLUDING THE FIVE PERCENT DEAL THAT WAS IN IT.

JUNE OF 2020.

NORMALLY, THESE PID DEALS THAT ARE GOING AROUND ALL OF TEXAS ARE TAKING A MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS TO TO TO FINISH.

WE WENT ONE YEAR TRYING TO GET OURS DONE AND NEVER GOT IT DONE, AND TRUTHFULLY, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION ABOUT YOU GOT TO HAVE EVERYTHING APPROVED BEFORE THE CITY ACCEPTS ALL THAT.

WE WENT PAST THAT BECAUSE WE WENT A WHOLE YEAR, RIGHT?

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WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER, NEVER EVEN BEEN CLOSED [INAUDIBLE] EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY YOU CAME BACK TO US, RIGHT? BUT WHEN WE WERE INTRODUCED TO P3, WE IMMEDIATELY SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT WITH JOHN ASK JOHN.

I BET IT WAS A DAY OR TWO AFTER WE HEARD Y'ALL HIRED P3, WHICH WE NEVER HEARD OF P3, AND IT CHANGED OUR COLLECTION FROM FIVE PERCENT TO FIFTEEN PERCENT, SIXTEEN PERCENT AND JOHN S RIGHT ITS HIS DEAL, WHICH HE SAID WAS JUST COMING TO US NOW.

BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT, WE'RE JUST HERE, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WE BROUGHT IT UP THE DAY WE FOUND OUT.

SO WHY WASN'T IT IN OCTOBER? WHY, WHAT? BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON OUR REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT OR OUR SAP THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET DONE THE SAME WAY WE DID FROM 2020 TO 2020 OF JUNE.

WE'RE STILL IN THAT SAME MODE.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE NOW.

WE HAVE A CHANGE IN THE THE COLLECTION FEE, WHICH WE DID LEARN ABOUT IN AUGUST, AND IT'S WORKING. SO WE'RE HERE.

THAT'S THE ANSWER.

SO. TO BE QUITE HONEST, I'M PRETTY EXHAUSTED WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND PIDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UH, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

UM. BUT BUT OURS IS FINISHED.

I'M EXHAUSTED, TOO.

BELIEVE ME, I DON'T I'VE DONE MANY DEVELOPMENTS, BUT ALSO THIS HAS PRESIDENT, RIGHT? WHAT IS THIS? SO IF, IF, IF WE CHANGE IT FOR YOU, IT'S NOT CHANGING IT FOR ME, IT'S ALREADY IT WAS ALREADY SET FOR ME.

NOW WE'RE CHANGING IT. SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO CHANGE IT, THEN WE'RE THE CUSTOMERS IN GREYSTONE ARE GOING TO START OUT WITH $110 A MONTH BILL.

BUT WHAT IF ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPERS COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO CHANGE PID DEVELOPERS TOO? I DON'T [INAUDIBLE] I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY, BUT BUT IT'S SIMPLE.

I MEAN, YOU WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH A COLLECTION AGENCY FOR A FIVE PERCENT FIT SET FEE IN THE CITY IS FORCING US TO GO TO SIXTEEN PERCENT WITH THE INCLUDED TWO PERCENT INCREASE EVERY YEAR. RIGHT. SO YOU SAID YOU HAVE YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

BUT BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT THROUGH ME, THE AGREEMENTS ALREADY.

WE DON'T WORK THROUGH DEVELOPERS.

REG. OK, CHRIS.

GUYS, I'M SORRY.

HERE'S OUR BOTTOM LINE IS WE WE LITERALLY HAVE A DEAL WITH A COLLECTION DEAL THAT WE CAN DO NINE EIGHTY SEVEN.

I'M GOING TO ACCEPT THE FIVE PERCENT OUT OF IT AND ACCEPT THE CITY'S TEN PERCENT AND THE DEVELOPER GETS WHAT IT GETS, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FORCE ME TO DO.

IF YOU TAKE THE NINE EIGHTY SEVEN AND CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

NOW I'M GOING TO ADD THREE.

SO IT'S GOING TO GO TO ELEVEN FIFTY AND THEN IT'S GOING TO MOVE UP ON THE PEOPLE.

WHY DON'T WE? I MEAN, BUT IF I DON'T REALLY ACCEPT IT, WE'LL DO IT.

MY ONLY PROBLEM IS I NOW I GOT TO GO SELL TO MY, MY CUSTOMERS THAT WE GOT A REAL PROBLEM OR NOT A REAL PROBLEM.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE LESS THAN OTHER GUYS.

BUT BUT WE HAVE AN ABILITY RIGHT NOW TO FIX IT.

AND IF I WAS JOHN, IF I WAS SELLING YOU IN HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND THE DIFFERENCE WAS, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T LIKE THIS PID, YOU DON'T LIKE THIS ASSESSMENT, IT'S NINE EIGHTY SEVEN.

AND THAT'S ALL IT IS. YOU CAN PAY IT OFF IMMEDIATELY AND IT'S SEVENTEEN THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED BLAH, BLAH BLAH.

NO, NOW IT'S MOVING.

IT STARTS AT ELEVEN FIFTY AND IT MOVES UP.

WHICH ONE WOULD YOU BUY? LET US DO IT. I'LL BE HONEST, IF I WAS IN YOUR SHOES, I'D BE ASKING THE SAME THING.

WELL, I HAVE TO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I SOLD YOU.

YOU REALIZE I'VE SOLD SEVENTY FIVE OF THESE A HUNDRED SIXTEEN LOTS A HUNDRED ELEVEN LOTS.

I'M SORRY, WE SOLD SEVENTY FIVE OF THEM UNDER THE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

RIGHT. AND AND NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE, AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT IS IN Y'ALL'S HANDS.

I GET IT. BUT HERE'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE.

IT'S THE FACT THAT WE'RE WE'RE IN THE 11TH HOUR OF THIS.

YOU KNOW, YOU TOLD ME A WHILE AGO YOU GOT PEOPLE PLANNING TO MOVE IN IN FEBRUARY.

NO QUESTION. SO THE ISSUE IS WE HAD WE'VE BEEN KIND OF HAND IN HAND SINCE 2020 AND WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS.

AND HERE WE ARE 2022 AND AT THE VERY END OF THE YEAR, YOU YOU SUDDENLY REALIZE THAT THIS SIXTEEN VERSUS FIVE PERCENT ISSUE AFTER WE ADOPTED THE PID POLICY, THAT'S THE ISSUE.

BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

THE PROBLEM IS, I WOULD ASK.

THE PROBLEM IS WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CHANGE FROM FIVE PERCENT TO SIXTEEN PERCENT UNTIL WE GOT NOTIFICATION AS SOON AS WE GOT NOTIFICATION.

WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD.

WE CALLED P3.

WE CALLED THE CITY MANAGER.

WE CALLED EVERYBODY AND SAID, WHOA, THIS IS DIFFERENT ON OUR END.

THIS MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR OUR PID.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE'S BILL OURS AND WE GOT RESPONSE.

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AND JOHN SNYDER WAS AMAZINGLY THE VERY FIRST CONVERSATION I HAD WITH HIM.

WE HAD A HOUR CONVERSATION, HE SAID.

I GOT IT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

HALL'S HILL NEEDS TO HANDLE YOURS.

SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS EASY.

THAT WAS BACK IN AUGUST.

SO NOW YOU'RE ASKING ME, WHY DIDN'T I MOVE ON IT? BECAUSE I MOVED ON IT AND HE CONTACTED CHRIS, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT IT BY EMAIL ABOUT, OK, I'M FINE WITH IT.

THE COLLECTION IS FIVE PERCENT.

ALL OF IT WAS DONE.

SO NOW I LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUY.

LIKE, I COME UP THE LAST MINUTE, WASN'T LAST MINUTE WE WERE, THE DAY WE HEARD ABOUT IT.

WE WERE ACTING.

WELL SO I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH JOHN.

I AGREE WITH YOU WANTING TO SHOP FOR THE BEST DEAL.

I WOULD LISTEN TO INCUR A FURTHER COST TO YOUR CLIENTS THAT COULD BE FLOATING.

I GET ALL THAT I REALLY DO, AND I IF I WERE BUYING THE HOME, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW AS MORE OF A PRICE I GET. THANK YOU.

OK, I'M GOING TO GET THAT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND.

YOU ASKED US FOR A PID, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T ASK YOU TO TAKE A PID.

YOU CAME TO US AND WE GAVE YOU A PID.

AND LET'S BE HONEST.

YOU HAVE A COMPLETE DISAGREEMENT WITH YOUR LAWYER AND JUDITH.

BUT JUDITH, IN HER RESEARCH, BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS ACCEPTING AN ALREADY POOR ROAD AS THE PID.

THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT IS ACTUALLY QUESTIONABLY CONSTITUTIONAL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

OK, WE MAY.

WE STUCK OUR NECK ON THE LINE FOR THAT.

OK, WE'VE GONE WITH YOU WITH THAT.

WE WE WENT WITH YOU AND WE WENT TO BAT FOR YOU WITH TEXAS, NEW MEXICO POWER.

REMEMBER, WE HAD THE UTILITIES, WE WENT FOR THEM IN THE BACKYARD BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT IS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ANGLETON.

IT'S BETTER FOR YOU, BUT IT'S BETTER FOR ANGLETON AS WELL.

I GET THAT, BUT WE'VE WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU, OK? AND THEN YOU'VE COME TO US AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, OK, IS THAT I WANT THIS PID AND I'VE ALREADY WORKED OUT THIS DEAL.

WHO'S GOING TO BE MY PID ADMINISTRATOR? EXCEPT THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S NOT YOU TAKING ON THE EXPENSE, IT'S THE CITY WHO'S TAKING ON THE EXPENSE. SO THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT'S WHY CHRIS, I THINK, WANTS US TO BE THE OVERSEERS OF THE PID ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO FIND OUT WHO THAT PID ADMINISTRATOR IS.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND YOUR OWN BEST ONE, BUT IT'S STILL STILL FALLS TO US.

AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE TO THE TAXPAYER.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE JUST.

JUST DO GOOD BUSINESS, AND I GET IT, I APPRECIATE YOUR FIGHT, I'M NOT SAYING AND I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU, BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE? AND I'M NOT EVEN GETTING INTO THE ISSUE ABOUT THE FEES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN INCURRED.

OK. THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISAGREEMENT.

THAT'S ALL. OK.

AGAIN, WHEN WE YOU KNOW, THE ONLY WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT APPEARED A PID AND I LEARNED ABOUT WHO I NEEDED TO TALK TO ABOUT APPEARED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY.

IT WAS HALL'S HILL AND IT WAS THEIR FEE AND IT WAS THEM COMPLETING THE PAPERWORK.

AND IT WAS ALSO THEM MAINTAINING THE PID.

OK, THAT'S IT. AND SO I WENT AND SOLD IT AT THAT.

SO SO DECEMBER 3RD, YOU WALKED INTO MY OFFICE AND ASKED FOR A CHANGE, BUT THAT WE'D BEEN TALKING ABOUT. YOU HAD ALREADY AGREED BEFORE DECEMBER 3RD WITH SCOTT, WITH SCOTT ABOUT THE CHANGE, WITH SCOTT BEING WITH NO, NO, NOT WITH SCOTT, WITH SNYDER.

YOU HAD ALREADY DID IT BEFORE.

SO WE INTRODUCE YOU TO JOHN SNYDER IN THAT PHONE CALL IN AUGUST AND HAD THAT DISCUSSION WHERE WE WAIVED WAIVED FEES FOR THE PID POLICY AND AGREED TO PUT THAT TEN PERCENT OVER THE LIFE OF THE PID VERSUS OTHER PIDS.

SO WE WE LAID IT ALL OUT FRONT DURING THAT AUGUST MEETING, REG, AND CERTAINLY DID IN THE AUGUST MEETING, ALL OF THAT MADE SENSE BECAUSE MY PID.

AND THEN YOU, THEN YOU CONTINUE TO CONTACT P3.

WE CONTINUE TO MOVE THE SAP IN THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH YOU WANTED ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER 14TH AND TONIGHT.

SO HOW WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO GET DONE WITH WITH HALL'S HILL? WHY WASN'T HALL STILL REVIEWING IT DURING THAT TIME? CHRIS, IT'S BEEN KNOWN FOR MONTHS THAT THE OBJECTION TO P3 VERSUS HALL'S HILL IN WRITING, AND THIS IS CRAZY. WE'RE DOING THIS IN WRITING WITH YOU AND JOHN SNYDER ABOUT WHAT HE KNEW. AND SO AS AS I TOLD YOU, YOU THE CITY COUNCIL PICKED P3.

AND SO THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONLY REPRESENTATIVE IN MY MIND THAT CAN MAKE A CHANGE.

KNOW AT THE TIME THEY'RE PICKING P3 THAT THERE WERE ALREADY AGREEMENTS WITH HALL'S HILL, INCLUDING GREEN TRAILS AND GREYSTONES FOR FIVE PERCENT.

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IF THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE KNOWN IT, MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE SAID, OK, WE'RE GOING TO PICK P3 BECAUSE WE REALLY LIKE THEM.

BUT THESE TWO THAT ARE ALREADY DONE, WHICH WAS GREEN TRAILS, WAS DONE.

WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT WITH HALLS HILL LIKE JOHN SNYDER SUGGEST THAT'S WHAT HE SUGGESTS.

YOU JUST HEARD I LAID IT ALL TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY THEY APPROVED P3.

DID Y'ALL KNOW THAT? DID THEY HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT OUR AGREEMENT WITH HALLS HILL WAS FIVE PERCENT AT THE TIME PROBABLY NOT.

WELL, AGAIN, IT'S YOUR AGREEMENT WITH HALL'S HILL, NOT OURS.

WE ONLY HAVE IT FOR GREEN TRAILS.

AND WE WERE DIRECTLY GRANT BEHIND GREEN TRAILS WHEN WE PUT THE PROJECT UNDER, DIRECTLY BEHIND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AN AGREEMENT.

YOU'RE CORRECT, CHRIS.

BUT I ASSUMED THAT WE WERE GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME PATH BECAUSE WE WERE DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM AND WE WERE DOING THE DIRECTLY THE SAME THING AND WE HAD WE'RE USING THE SAME CONTRACTOR HALLS HILL THAT GREEN TRAILS HAD USED, AND WE WERE TALKING TO GREEN TRAILS AND WE WERE TALKING TO SCOTT [INAUDIBLE].

AND IF WE WERE MOVING DOWN THE SAME PATH AND NOW EVERYTHING WORKS OUT AND WE GET TO COLLECTION AND I'M COMING TO YOU GUYS.

CHRIS ISN'T GOING TO BE WITH US.

HE WANTS, HE WANTS US TO HAVE TO GO TO P3.

SO WHO IS WHO'S PAYING SCOTT [INAUDIBLE] FOR FOR WORK ON YOUR PID? I'VE PAID STOP BEING SINCE BEGINNING.

THAT YOU'VE NEVER YOU'RE NOT PAYING, SCOTT [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE NOT PAYING TIM GREEN.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO, SO, OK, SO THEY'RE NOT OUR PID CONSULTANT IF WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM.

WELL, CHRIS, THE CITY OF I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S EVEN A QUESTION.

THE CITY OF ANGLETON TOLD ME TO GO TO HALL'S HILL.

I WENT TO HALL'S HILL. I PAID THE SAME FEE TO HALLS HILL TO GREEN TRAILS.

I PAID THE SAME EVERYTHING AS GREEN TRAILS.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MATTER? I HAD TO PAY THAT TO GET THE PID, AND WE DID REQUEST THE PID DO THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.

THEY DIDN'T REVIEW THE SAP.

THEY TRIED FOR A YEAR AND THEY COULDN'T GET IT DONE.

THEY TRIED. I MEAN, IF WE GO BACK IN.

SO THEN WHY WERE YOU ASKING TO PUT IT ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA ON DECEMBER 14TH AND THIS AGENDA, WHICH YOU ASKED THE MAYOR TO DO LAST WEEK AND TODAY OR YESTERDAY? I'M SORRY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IT BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSING HOUSES IN FEBRUARY AND WE HAVE TO GET ALL THE. BUT IF IT'S NOT REVIEWED, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON AGENDA? WHAT? WHAT'S NOT REVIEWED THE SAP OR THE REIMBURSEMENT OR THE HALLS HILL DEAL? WITH LOOK, I MEAN, CHRIS, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE EMAILS AND SHOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE ASKED FOR? CAN WE SEE THE DRAFT? CAN WE PLEASE SEE THE DRAFT? I MEAN, THIS IS.

COME ON. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR THAT FOR A YEAR.

I GOT I MEAN. THAT'S NOT A ROAD THAT WE NEED TO GO DOWN BECAUSE WE LITERALLY BEEN BEGGING FOR A YEAR.

WE COULDN'T GET IT DONE.

NOW WE'RE SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT.

THIS IS I MEAN, GUYS, IT'S IT'S NOT NOW.

APPARENTLY THE REIMBURSEMENT AND THE SAP ARE AGREED UPON WITH TIM GREEN AND JUDITH.

THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY THAT SAID HE'S NOT AGREEING TO EVERYTHING THAT I EMAILED HIM TO ABOUT. WE DO NOT HAVE THE AGREEMENTS YET.

NO, WE DON'T. AND I SAW THAT SAME EMAIL WHERE HE SAID HE WOULDN'T AGREE TO REIMBURSEMENT.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO SIGN? HE DIDN'T SAY HE DIDN'T SAY THE DEGREE TO REIMBURSEMENT OF WHAT LIKE P3.

HE DID NOT. NO ATTORNEY FEES.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE'RE PAYING Y'ALL'S ATTORNEY FEES FOR US HANDLING ISSUES WITH THE CITY, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THE TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT IS ONE AGREEMENT THAT I CAN SPEAK TO IN THE AUGUST MEETING OF 2021, YOU AND YOUR ATTORNEY AGREED THAT YOU WOULD REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THE FEES.

AND HE ASKED, AND I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM YOUR ATTORNEY THAT SAYS THAT SO THAT ABSOLUTELY, I CAN SAY, WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.

OK, IF HE AGREED WITH IT AND HE ASKED TODAY, HE TOLD ME, WHAT ARE THE FEES? AND HE DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE.

IS THAT TRUE? HE'S HAD THE FEES FOR MONTHS.

HE JUST DIDN'T REVIEW THE AGREEMENT.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED.

GOING OUT FOR AN RFQ, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? SO WE'D HAVE TO CRAFT A SCOPE OF WORK.

TO DESCRIBE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANTED LET'S JUST I MEAN, AGAIN, I HAVE P3 NEEDS TO BE OUR CLEARLY OUR ADMINISTRATOR.

HOWEVER, IF YOU CHOOSE TO WANT TO DO A REIMBURSEMENT BOND ATTORNEY, WE'D HAVE TO GO OUT FOR AN RFQ SO WE'D HAVE TO CRAFT THE SCOPE OF WORK.

WE'D HAVE TO PUT IT OUT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE'D HAVE TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE OF RATING THEM BASED ON CRITERIA AND BRING THAT BACK TO

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YOU ALL, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS WHAT THE WHAT THE FEES ARE FOR THAT.

OK, JOHN? JOHN SNYDER, ARE YOU ON THE PHONE STILL? YES, SIR. IS IT P3S, I GUESS PREROGATIVE IN YOUR POSITION THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMINISTER THOSE, THOSE TYPE OF BONDS? SO ON THE BONDED PIDS.

THAT'S PROBABLY 90 PERCENT OF OUR OF OUR BUSINESS IS ADMINISTERING BONDED PIDS, RIGHT, WE ACTUALLY GO OUT CITY ISSUES, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, REVENUE BONDS, AND THEN THERE ARE A FEW, I'D PROBABLY GUESS WE MAY BE ADMINISTERING 15 TO 20 CASH FLOW PIDS WHERE FOR WHATEVER REASON, TYPICALLY THEY'RE THEY'RE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT THERE'S OTHER REASONS THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE CITY DIDN'T WANT TO ISSUE BONDS AND WE HAVE A CASH FLOW PID.

AND SO WE DO ADMINISTER THOSE AS WELL, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO.

AND WE COMPLETELY PART, I THINK PART OF THE DISCONNECT ON ON THE PRICING IS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HALLS HILL DOES ON ON THE ADMINISTRATION VERSUS US, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FOR FOR OUR SIDE OF THE BUSINESS, WE'VE WE'VE STANDARDIZED THE PROCESS.

AND SO WE'VE GOT A FAIRLY LARGE STAFF AND WE CAN'T DO THINGS ONE OFF.

AND SO WE TREAT OUR CASH FLOW PID VERY SIMILAR TO HOW WE TREAT OUR BOND PIDS.

AND SO THERE'S THERE'S THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN UPDATE.

WE HAVE A SEARCHABLE WEBSITE SO HOMEOWNERS CAN GO ON AND LOOK UP ALL THEIR ASSESSMENT AND SEE ALL THE DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE 800 NUMBER.

WE DO PREPAYMENT QUOTES.

IT'S A IT'S A FAIRLY SOPHISTICATED PROCESS AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE YOU CAN PROBABLY BOIL THAT THING DOWN TO WHERE YOU DON'T.

YOU DON'T DO A LOT OF THAT AND YOU'RE SIMPLY LIKE, BRETT SAID.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SIMPLY SENDING OFF A NUMBER TO THE COUNTY SAYING, COLLECT THIS AMOUNT AND YOU PAY IT OFF. WE GO THROUGH AND WE BASICALLY TREAT IT AS IF WE ARE GOING TO GET AUDITED BY THE IRS ON A BONDED PID.

AND SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING COMPLETELY TIED OUT TO WHERE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THE BOOKS ON WHAT'S REIMBURSED OR HOW THE INTEREST IS CALCULATED, IT'S ALL IT'S QUITE IN-DEPTH. I GUESS IT'S JUST WHAT I'M GETTING AT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO.

SO IF FOR FOR, FIVE PERCENT OR AGAIN, WE DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A PERCENTAGE, IT'S A WE LOOK AT IT [INAUDIBLE] FOR WHAT WE DO.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A $30 MILLION PID OR A $1 MILLION PID.

AND SO THAT'S WHY GENERALLY THE KIND OF THE RULE OF THUMB IS REALLY THREE MILLION TO THE BARE MINIMUM THAT TYPICALLY THEY'RE THEY'RE FIVE TO TEN MILLION, AND IT'S BECAUSE IT DOES BECOME INEFFICIENT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO TO THE LOW AMOUNT.

AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S ONE POINT EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS.

SO AS PERCENT THAT IT GETS HIGHER.

AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE DISCONNECT IS IF YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A VERY LOW ONE POINT. I WANT TO SAY IT IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT FOR A PID, IT'S ONE OF THE SMALLER PIDS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND GIVEN THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO TO TO LOWER THE FEE, BUT I THINK DOWN TO THE FIVE PERCENT, IT WORKS OUT TO ROUGHLY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

I MEAN, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY.

AS A COMPANY, IT WOULDN'T JUST BE A WE'D BE BREAKING, WE'D BE LOSING MONEY, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PAY THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE DOING THE WORK TO ACTUALLY COVER IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE A CONVERSATION WITH REG THAT IT WAS A QUESTION OF, HEY, CAN WE CAN WE CAN WE TAKE IT DOWN OR IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR NEGOTIATION? IT WAS, HEY, I'VE GOT NINE EIGHTY SEVEN.

I HAVE TO GET TO NINE EIGHTY SEVEN.

AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, WELL, THERE'S AT THAT POINT, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS KIND OF AN ALL OR NOTHING, EITHER HE'S GOING TO GET TO THE NINE EIGHTY SEVEN OR OR HE'S NOT.

HE HAS TO GO BACK TO HIS, TO HIS, WHETHER IT'S BUILDERS OR THE HOMEOWNERS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I SAID AND BRIDGES, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH REG.

I LOOK, IF YOU WANT TO STAY AT THE NINE EIGHTY SEVEN HALLS HILL IS WILLING TO DO IT FOR THE THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS, THEN I CAN'T.

I PERSONALLY, I CAN'T GET THERE.

BUT IF HALLS HILL IS ABLE TO GET THERE AND AND WHATEVER THEY DO FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY CAN DO IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S I THINK, SIMILAR TO WHAT CHRIS WAS SAYING.

I SAID IT'S NOT MY DECISION, IT'S CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY, SO WE NEED TO STAY ON AND DO OUR WORK UNTIL THE CITY SAYS WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THE WORK.

AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO FIGURE OUT IF THE CITY WANTS TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE WHATEVER CITY WANTS TO DO.

WE ARE, WE'RE THERE TO SUPPORT YOU.

SO CITY SAYS, WE WANT TO STICK WITH P3.

WE'LL, THE ADMINISTER THE PID TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WANT TO MAKE A SWITCH ON THIS ONE OVER TO HALLS HILL, WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE IT SMOOTH AND GET ALL THE DOCUMENTATION AND ALL THE NUMBERS, EVERYTHING TO STOP BEING SO

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SMOOTH. SO REALLY, WE'RE JUST HERE TO HOPEFULLY MAKE IT.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS ONCE NOT SEAMLESS, BUT WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE, WHATEVER DIRECTION Y'ALL CHOOSE TO GO.

YEAH, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S NOT A DIFFERENCE OF BONDED VERSUS CASH. IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE SIZE OF THE THE AMOUNT BORROWED.

YEAH. WELL, IT'S AN EQUITABLE BONDED PIDS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IN DEPTH SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND SO THE PRICE OF A BONDED PID TO ADMINISTER IS IS DOUBLE.

IT'S BASICALLY SO WE GENERALLY WE HAVE A STANDARD CONTRACT.

IT'S THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR A BONDED PID.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE IMPROVEMENT AREAS, IT'S LESSER AMOUNTS AFTER THAT.

AND FOR A CASH FLOW PID, I THINK IT'S FIFTEEN THOUSAND.

AND SO IT'S HALF OF WHAT IT IS.

AND IF AND AGAIN, WITH THIS ONE, IT'S IT'S SMALLER, THERE'S FEWER NUMBER OF LOTS.

MAYBE WE COULD SAY, OK, WE CAN.

WE CAN CUT IT A LITTLE BIT. BUT GOING DOWN TO THREE THOUSAND, THAT'S THAT WOULD WE WOULD AGAIN, WE'D BE LOSING MONEY ON IT.

MY PARTNERS WOULD. YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE IT WOULDN'T BE A FUN CONVERSATION FOR ME, LET ME JUST SAY THAT IT WOULDN'T BE PARTNERS, RIGHT? YEAH, SO SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

AND AGAIN, IF IT WAS ON ON SOME OF THE OTHER PIDS THAT Y'ALL ARE WORKING ON WHERE IT'S BONDED AND IT'S KIND OF MORE LIKE THE FIVE MILLION DOLLARS RANGE, THE THE FEE IS ABSORBED INTO THAT. IT REALLY DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE.

BUT WHEN YOU START TALKING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S LESS THAN $2 MILLION AS A PERCENTAGE, IT DOES. IT DOES GO UP.

SO BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE JOHN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOHN SNYDER, THAT THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO ADJUST YOUR FEES FOR THIS ONE CASE JUST AS MUCH.

NO, RIGHT.

BUT YOU KNOW, SO SO YOU LOOK AT TIME AND MONEY.

YOU KNOW, IF WE GO OUT FOR AN RFQ, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT A MONTH AND A HALF VERSUS, YOU KNOW, YEAH, GETTING IT DONE NOW AND AT A REDUCED P3 RATE.

MR. APLIN, THOUGHTS DON'T KNOW, YEAH, WELL, HOPEFULLY YOU HEARD JOHN'S SENTIMENT AND YEAH, AND SAYING, HEY, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, BECAUSE OF A LOT OF REASONS, ONE OF THEM IS IN A IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, SAY, OUT FOR THE CITY TO SAY SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO COME BACK IN THE ONLY TWO CASH FLOW PIDS ARE GREEN TRAILS AND GRAYSTONE, THE OTHERS ARE BONDS, RIGHT? BUT WHEN IT'S A BOND, YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO P3.

IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THE WORK YOURSELF, YOU CAN GO THROUGH.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING Y'ALL COULD DO ANYWAY.

BUT THE THE IMPORTANT THE IMPORTANT PART IS THAT WE'RE A CASH FLOW PID.

WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO DO A BOND FOR US.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY RISK ASSOCIATED.

WE'RE A CASH FLOW.

THE BOND IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DO THAT, THAT PERCENTAGE, BECAUSE THAT THAT IS I MEAN, JOHN, HE'S HEARING ME RIGHT NOW.

WHEN HE HEARD IT WAS SIXTEEN PERCENT, HE WAS LIKE, WHOA, YEAH, THAT'S A LOT BECAUSE WE'RE SO SMALL, RIGHT? IF WE WERE IF WE WERE A FOUR MILLION DOLLAR PID, HIS PERCENTAGE WOULD BE PROBABLY DOWN TO EIGHT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW, BUT A LOT LESS SO TO ME IF JOHN'S WILLING TO DO IT AND WE'RE THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO FOR THE CITIZENS, AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THIS BEING DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONES BEING A BOND PID.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GUYS.

WELL, I MEAN, I DO HAVE ONE AND ANOTHER CONCERN, BUT HALL'S HILL? ARE THEY AVAILABLE? CAN THEY TALK TO US? YEAH, THEY'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE, THEY'VE BEEN.

THEY'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT.

YEAH, THEY'RE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.

WELL, NO, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LET ME SEE BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A SUDDEN CHANGE AND THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING.

WELL, BUT WE CAN'T JUST TRAVIS, YOU'RE DOING IT.

YOU'RE USING THEM RIGHT NOW WITH THE GREEN TRAILS.

THEY'RE ALREADY [INAUDIBLE] BY YOU TO TALK TO THEM.

WELL, YOU CAN TALK TO THEM. BUT WE'VE GOT I THINK IT'S GOOD BUSINESS NOT TO.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING ANYTHING, BUT WE SHOULDN'T WE THE CITY SHOULD BE INVESTED IN ASKING QUESTIONS.

Y'ALL DIDN'T ASK WE CAN. WE CAN ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO.

I MEAN, THEIR AGREEMENT WITH HALLS HILL, I CAN TELL YOU, IS THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO ADMINISTER THE PID AND THE PAPERWORK THAT'S INVOLVED AND IT'S THEY'RE CHARGING FIVE PERCENT. I MEAN, DON'T WE HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY AT LEAST TO FIND OUT? YOUR WORD IS ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, A PROMISE AND A PRAYER.

WELL, LET'S YOU GO. OK, GUYS, YOU'RE IN CONTRACT RIGHT NOW.

WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT.

AND WE WANT WE WANT TO ADD ONE MORE.

IN THE MORNING, BY 8:30, I'LL HAVE A RESUME.

IF YOU WANT IT, WE'LL WE'LL DO WHATEVER.

THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, RIGHT?

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I AGREE. IF YOU WERE BUYING FROM ME, IT'S BE A BIG IMPORTANT TO US.

WE WOULDN'T BE SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON IT.

I HAVE A QUESTION WHY WASN'T HALS HILL INVOLVED SINCE AUGUST? IT'S LIKE ON OUR TIMELINES P3, P3 BECAUSE, WELL, HE DIDN'T NEED TO BE INVOLVED.

HE WAS. WE FOUND OUT IN AUGUST THAT Y'ALL WENT WITH P3 AND WE'VE BEEN TELLING P3 AND JOHN AGREEING THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITH HALLS HILL AND THERE HADN'T BEEN ANY REASON FOR HALLS HILL TO BE AROUND. THAT'S YES.

THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU, JOHN.

ARE YOU STILL ON? YES, SIR.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH GREEN TRAILS.

I DO NOT KNOW THAT WAS THAT WAS ENTIRELY DONE, WAS ENTIRELY DONE BEFORE BEFORE I WAS ENGAGED WITH THE CITY. OK? WHAT ABOUT KIBER RESERVE? YES, SIR. WE'RE WORKING ON KIBER.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, GREEN TRAIL IS THE ONE EXCEPTION, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON.

WE'RE WORKING ON KIBER AND RIVERWOOD AS WELL IN KIBER IS A CASH, RIGHT? IT IS. COUNCIL, IS THERE A LIABILITY TO THE CITY OF USING HALLS HILL VERSUS P3 ON THIS PARTICULAR PID.

FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, NO.

AND WE HAVE A FINANCIAL LIABILITY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE INCURRED.

MR. APLIN HAS ALLUDED TO PAYING WHATEVER WE WERE OUT.

SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A DRAFT REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT THAT MR. APLIN'S ATTORNEY, TIM GREEN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AND A COMPONENT OF THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT IS THE REPRESENTATION THAT HE AND HIS ATTORNEY MADE IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER AND IN SUBSEQUENT EMAILS THAT THEY WOULD REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND CONSULTANT FEES AS A RESULT OF THE PID.

SO THAT SHOULDN'T CHANGE THAT THAT COMPONENT OF THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT SHOULD NOT CHANGE REGARDLESS OF WHO ADMINISTERS THE PID.

I WOULD SAY WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE REGARDING GREYSTONE ANY OTHER DEVELOPERS, SAYS EVERY DEVELOPMENT STANDS ON ITS OWN.

AND WHAT WE DID ON ONE, WHAT WE DID ON ONE IS NOT GOING TO CAUSE THE CITY TO HAVE TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON ANOTHER ONE, SO.

I. I ALMOST FEEL REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY, MAN.

I HAVE TO REALLY TAKE A LONG EVALUATION OF PIDS NOW ON THIS.

THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN MORE HEADACHES.

AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC.

AS I THINK ABOUT IT, THE ONLY SO FAR DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CONSIDERED ANYTHING THAT WOULD I WOULD REMOTELY SAY A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT IS POTENTIALLY AUSTIN COLONY WITH THE CONTINUATION OF TENURE DRIVE.

AND THEN WE ENDED UP IN HEADACHES LIKE THIS AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING BACK AND FORTH.

I DON'T THIS ISN'T ANYTHING DIRECTLY TO THIS CASE BECAUSE THIS IS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY IN IT. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

BUT IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THE USE OF PIDS.

YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE.

TRAVIS. AGREED, COUNCIL, WE NEED ACTION.

I THINK WE'VE BEAT THIS TO DEATH AT MOST.

I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT HEARING FROM HALLS HILL.

IT JUST SEEMS WISE TOO, WELL, TALK TO THEM BEFORE WE AGREE ON THEM AS BEING OUR ADMINISTRATOR. WELL, YOU CAN MAKE IT CONTINGENT.

YOU CAN SAY IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO, YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO HALLS HILL SUBJECT TO THEIR ACCEPTANCE.

OTHERWISE, HE GOES WITH P3, THEN THAT CAN BE IN YOUR MOTION.

THAT'S FAIR. AND HALL'S HILL IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE SAME AGREEMENT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED WITH GREEN TRAILS.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. AND HERE'S THE DEAL, THOUGH.

I MEAN, SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER IS LIKE, THIS IS IT IF HALLS HILL COMES BACK TO YOU AND THEY TELL YOU IT'S SEVEN PERCENT.

REG, YOU CAN'T COME BACK AND NEGOTIATE AND GO FIND ANOTHER PERSON WHEN WE ALL WHEN WE LOCK IN AT THE NINE EIGHTY SEVEN AND WE'VE GOT AGREEMENT WITH THE.

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OUR AGREEMENT IS THE COLLECTION, IS IT FIVE PERCENT? AND SO, CHRIS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY, THAT RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THE AGREEMENT WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY IS GOING TO BE FIVE PERCENT THE SAME WAY THEY DID GREEN TRAILS.

SO IT'S AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM JUST IN THE WAY ITS IN AGREEMENT WITH P3.

AND I THINK YOU HAVE A WAY TO JUSTIFY BECAUSE WE'RE CASH FLOW.

IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING AND THAT WAS THE RATE.

NOW MAYBE THE RATE HAS GONE UP, BUT THE PEOPLE OF GRAYSTONE DIDN'T NEED TO PAY THAT INCREASED RATE. IF YOU FORCE ME TO, I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, BUT WE CAN.

WE CAN MAKE THIS.

IT JUST IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I MEAN. SO MY MY OPINION IS HALLS HILL'S READY TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT.

MY OPINION IS WE OUGHT TO STICK WITH P3.

THAT'S WHO WE CHOSE.

IF WE WANT TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WE OUGHT TO FOLLOW A PROCESS LIKE WE DO WITH A LOT OF OTHER THINGS AND GO OUT FOR AN RFQ AND FIND THE BEST QUALIFIED AND THEN WE CAN EVALUATE RATE AFTER THAT.

BECAUSE HALLS HILL HAS ONLY BEEN WORKING FOR THE CITY FOR HOW LONG? HOW LONG HAS P3 BEEN WORKING FOR THE CITY, CHRIS? OK. REG.

LAST TIME REG..

HOW LONG HAS HALLS HILL BEEN WORKING FOR THE CITY, LIKE THREE YEARS? YEAH, RIGHT.

SO WE'VE HAD LESS THAN THREE YEARS OR ABOUT THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH HALLS HILL.

IT'S NOT BEEN 20. IT'S NOT BEEN 10.

IT'S NOT BEEN 6.

SO HOW ARE THEY THE BEST QUALIFIED TO DO THIS? I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE PATIENCE HERE, THOUGH, THAT UNDERSTAND THAT PIDS ARE NEW TO THE CITY. I MEAN, WE'RE STILL FEELING OUR WAY THROUGH IT.

WE JUST ADOPTED A PID POLICY THIS YEAR OR LATE LAST YEAR THAT I STILL THINK I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I'M STILL LEARNING ABOUT THE PIDS, AND I THINK I'M CONSTANTLY GOING TO BE LEARNING ABOUT THESE THINGS.

SO. WHILE I'M I DON'T LIKE THE PRECEDENT THAT IT SETS BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING TO US AND TELLING US, HEY, I DON'T LIKE THIS GUY, I WANT TO GO TO THIS GUY AND NOT I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO TIMELINES AND ALL THAT.

BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS IS TOO MUCH.

THIS IS BETTER. I WANT TO GO TO THIS ONE.

WELL, ONCE WE DO THAT, WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT OTHER DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT AND GO, WELL, YOU DID IT FOR HIM BECAUSE HOW MANY TIMES WE TALKED ABOUT GREEN TRAILS TONIGHT, RIVERWOOD RANCH HAS BEEN MENTIONED.

I MEAN, THEY YOU ALL KIND OF LOOK AT IT FROM THE OTHER PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE, WHICH YOU SHOULD AS A BUSINESS MODEL.

BUT I THINK I AGREE WITH CHRIS.

I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S REALLY WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO HERE TONIGHT? WE ARE SETTING A PRECEDENT.

WHATEVER WE DO, IF WE TELL HIM, NO, HE STAYS WITH P3.

THEN WE SET A PRECEDENT THAT OTHERS WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT AND GO, OK, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. BUT THAT'S NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT.

THAT'S FOLLOWING THE POLICY THAT YOU ALL SET.

CORRECT. THE POLICY THAT I'M SURE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO AMEND AT SOME POINT AND AFTER THE THE POLICY.

RIGHT. AND THAT WAS A POLICY THAT WAS ADOPTED AFTER OUR INITIAL ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CITY AND A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE CITY.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY ANYTHING TALKED ABOUT.

THE ONLY THING THAT CAME UP WAS THE PID POLICY, AND WE GOT TO PAY THE CITY 10 PERCENT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COLLECTION RATE GOES FROM 5 TO 16.

YEAH, I'M NOT. I'M NOT TRYING TO HELP YOU IN YOUR CASE AT ALL.

BUT CHRIS, I WILL MENTION THE ITEM JUST BEFORE THIS ONE WAS A WAIVER ON PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE KNOW IS WRONG IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE WANT TO TAKE OUT, AND WE CONTINUE TO GIVE THE WAIVER.

I'M JUST SAYING. CORRECT.

BUT SO IF THE PID POLICY YOU THINK IS WRONG, THEN LET'S BRING IT BACK UP AND LET'S FIX IT. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S WRONG.

I THINK IT'S WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY ALLOWS FOR EVERY SCENARIO, MOST SCENARIOS. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WAIVERS FOR, RIGHT? OR VARIANTS? IF THE POLICY WORKED FOR 90 PERCENT OF WHATEVER RIGHT, THEN THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE WAIVERS AND VARIANTS FOR THAT QUOTE, 10 PERCENT IF YOU'RE DOING MORE THAN 10 PERCENT, THEN YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE POLICY BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING RIGHT.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY.

THE FEES AREN'T EXACTLY A PERCENTAGE.

BUT IT'S JUST A BASE FEE THAT THEY'RE CHARGING.

I'LL EXPLAIN THAT. WELL, I'M TRYING TO OK, BUT I'LL.

BASICALLY, P3 HAS A HIGHER OVERHEAD FOR FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY HAVE TO CHARGE MORE, AND MOST ALMOST ALL THEIRS ARE BOND PIDS, SO THEY HAVE TO DO A

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LOT MORE WORK FOR BOND.

THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY DIFFERENT.

THEY HAVE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE WORK BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO SATISFY ALL THE CITY OR THE STATE DEALS WITH WITH A CASH FLOW PID.

THEY DON'T DO MANY OF THEM.

YOU KNOW WHAT, HALLS HILL? THEY DON'T DO ANY.

THEY DON'T DO ANY BOND PIDS.

THEY ONLY DO CASH FLOW PIDS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE BOND PIDS.

IT'S WAY MORE COMPLICATED.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE LESS EXPENSIVE TO.

THAT'S THE TRUTH.

SO MY OPINION, THE CITY IS ANGLETON COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE CASH FLOW PIDS CAN GO TO THESE PEOPLE AND BOND PIDS DON'T.

I MEAN, RIGHT, WE'RE ALL LEARNING REG.

YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PIDS JUST AS LONG AS WE HAVE.

I THINK THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. OKAY.

SO WE'RE ALL LEARNING.

NOBODY'S PERFECT IN THIS SCENARIO.

NO, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, AND WE'RE WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO FINAL TO FINISHING IT.

AND THERE'S BASICALLY WE'RE DOWN TO THE COLLECTION AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL CAN STOMACH TO MAKE A I DON'T CALL IT AN EXCEPTION, I CALL IT A SOMETHING YOU'VE ALREADY DONE YOUR FOLLOWS. YOU'RE FOLLOWING PRECEDENTS OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

AND THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO TOWNSEND BEFORE SUBMITTED TO DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS, BANKERS AND BUYERS.

ALL THE SAME. 987 FIVE PERCENT.

NOW WE'VE GOT A DEAL THAT'S 987 PLUS 16 PERCENT AND IT GOES UP IN THE 16 PERCENT JOHN SNYDER'S RIGHT. IF HE'S STILL LISTENING.

THEY DON'T DO IT ON PERCENTAGE.

THEY HAVE A HE'S GOT A 15000 STARTER AND THEN HE GOES UP FROM THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE NORMALLY DEALING WITH BIGGER PIDS.

OURS IS A VERY SMALL PID, SO YOU PUT A 15000 BOTTOM ON IT AND MY GOD, IT GETS US UP TO 15 PERCENT LIKE THAT. THEY ACTUALLY GOT IT, BUT IT.

BUT HERE'S THE THING.

I APPRECIATE YOU FIGHTING.

BUT. YOU'RE NOT INCURRING A DEBT ON THIS.

I'M NOT. I'VE ALREADY.

OK. IT'S A CASH BOND, RIGHT? I'VE ALREADY GOT THE DEBT ALREADY, BUT YOU'RE GETTING PAID BACK.

YOU'RE GETTING PAID BACK.

SO WHATEVER THIS PERCENTAGE IS, BECAUSE YOU'RE A PASS THROUGH IT, PASSING IT ON TO THE PURCHASER, THE HOME PURCHASER, CORRECT? YEAH. IN IN THE PIDS.

SO WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY.

TO. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY ON OURSELVES.

WE'RE LOCKING THE CITY IN.

LONG PAST, PROBABLY I'LL EVER BE ON COUNCIL, AND YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHERE I'LL BE IN 30 YEARS? OK. GOD WILLING, I'M STILL ALIVE.

BUT. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY.

TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE CITY'S MONEY.

YEAH. THE TAXPAYER MONEY, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, BECAUSE WE FEEL WE FELT WITH THE PRESENTATION BY P3 THAT THEY WERE THE BEST TO ADMINISTER THE BOND.

AND SO BUT THEY'RE NOT ADMISSIBLE IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE NOT ADMINISTRATIVE BONDS, IT'S CASH FLOW, NO BOND, OK? THEY'RE OVERSEEING THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE PID.

CORRECT. OK. CORRECT.

THEY'RE OVERSEEING THE ADMINISTRATION.

YES, SIR. AND WE FELT THEY WERE THE BEST COMPANY TO DO THAT.

THE BEST BUSINESS TO DO THAT.

THEN THEN YOU GUYS, I'M NOT TRYING TO BECAUSE I I APPRECIATE YOUR FIGHT.

I MEAN, I REALLY DO. I BELIEVE IN ADVOCACY.

YOU'RE BEING AN ADVOCATE FOR YOUR BUSINESS, FOR YOUR ULTIMATE PURCHASER OF YOUR HOMES.

BUT THIS IS I HAVE TO WE HAVE TO BE THINK ABOUT IT FROM THE LEAST, IN MY OPINION, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PROTECTING THE TAXPAYERS.

AND THAT'S WHERE I. OK.

FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO RISK TO THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE YOU'RE COMPLETELY INDEMNIFIED, SO THE TAXPAYERS HAVE NO RISK ON OUR PID IN ANY WAY.

SECOND, I'M GLAD YOU, YOU THINK THAT I'M A GOOD ADVOCATE BECAUSE WHEN YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THE THE TRANSFORMER THEY WOULDN'T HAVE DEVELOPER THAT WAS GOING TO FIGHT THAT FIGHT WITH TEXAS, NEW MEXICO, WHICH I'M GLAD Y'ALL HELPED.

BUT THAT WAS A THAT WAS NINE MONTHS OF BATTLE TO CHANGE THE RULES FOR ANGLETON BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE A DEVELOPER AND ANGLETON, WE ANGLETON IS A GOOD MARKET AND AND NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'VE DONE EVERY SINGLE THING WE SAID WE WOULD DO, INCLUDING HIRE THE PEOPLE YOU SAID AND GO ALONG WITH THE THE AGREEMENT, THE FIVE PERCENT AGREEMENT AND GO MAKE DEALS AND SELL 75 LOTS.

AND NOW WE'VE GOT ABOUT PROBABLY 15 HOUSES ALREADY SOLD UNDER THAT AGREEMENT.

AND YOU GUYS ARE GOOD FICTION TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND I JUST WANT THE DECISION.

Y'ALL'S DECISION IS YOU'RE GOING TO AGREE THE FIVE PERCENT WHICH WHICH JOHN SNYDER ACTUALLY WANTS YOU TO DO AND HALLS HILL IS CAPABLE OF.

AND IF YOU'RE WORRIED, MARK, ABOUT SEEING THE DETAILS OF THEIR COMPANY, THEN WE CAN SEE IT THERE. YOU'RE ALREADY IN CONTRACT WITH THEM.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DELAY IT.

IF YOU WANT TO AGREE TO IT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT YOU'VE GOT TO APPROVE THEM ONCE YOU SEE

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WHAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST ONES IN HOUSTON.

THEY GOT, THEY DO, BUT THEY ONLY DO CASH FLOW DEALS.

THAT IS TRUE. BUT BUT IF IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO DO IT, THIS TELL ME AND I'LL GO BACK.

DONE. AND I'LL GO BACK AND SAY NO FROM ALL MY BUYERS.

IT'S NOT 987 A MONTH A YEAR ANYMORE, IT'S 1150 AND IT'S GOING TO GO UP.

THAT'S ALL I'LL DO. NO DIFFERENCE TO ME, HONESTLY.

ONLY A DIFFERENCE TO THOSE 111 PEOPLE IN GRAYSTONE.

WHY DON'T WE WHY DON'T WE CAP THEM AT 987, LIKE WE ALL AGREED UPON THE FIRST TIME? I MEAN, YOU GUYS WENT YOU ALL MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH P3, I'M SURE, I LIKE P3 AND JOHN.

I BET YOU'RE LISTEN, I WISH YOU'D TRY IT AGAIN, JOHN, AND SAY, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THE DEAL. SO GOOD, REG, YOU KEEP SAYING WE ALL AGREED.

WE DIDN'T ALL AGREE.

WE AGREE ON WHAT WE ALL AGREE THAT HALLS HILL WAS DOING THE PID.

WELL, THEY DON'T PUT WORDS IN OUR MOUTH.

OK. OK, CHRIS, I'M NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT THE THE HALLS HILL WHO YOU ALL DIRECT ME TO GO HIRE.

WE HIRED HALLS HILL.

WE FOLLOWED THE SAME.

YOU'RE ALL DIRECTED YOU TO HIRE THEM.

WHO DID? YEAH.

GIVE ME A NAME. YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

BUT SCOTT ALBERT, THE CITY MANAGER FOR YOU.

BUT THAT'S OK. I MEAN, GOD ALMIGHTY.

HE ALSO TOLD CHARLES [INAUDIBLE] SMITH.

THAT'S WHERE HE GOT WITH.

I MEAN, IT WAS THAT WASN'T.

IT WASN'T WE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG.

HE TOLD US WHERE TO GO. WE WENT.

AND PART OF THE DEAL WAS THE FIVE PERCENT COLLECTION.

IT WAS IN OUR PAPERWORK.

SAME WAS GREEN TRAILS.

WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND HIM.

NOW WE'RE THROWN OUT.

IF Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO GO WITH THE FIVE PERCENT.

DON'T DO IT AND WE INCREASE OURS.

I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW WHY Y'ALL WOULD DO THAT.

COUNCIL, I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION ON THIS QUESTION.

NO, YOU'VE THROWN OUT MR. APLAN 987 IS AT AN ANNUAL ANNUAL ANNUAL AND IT WOULD GO FROM 987 TO 1150 A YEAR.

THE DOCUMENTS I SAW FROM NOT FROM JUDITH, APPARENTLY FROM TOM WILL SAY, I BELIEVE, WAS AROUND 1150 WAS WAS THE COLLECTION NOW AND THEN IT GOES UP.

I KNOW IT WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED.

THE FIRST YEAR IT WAS 100 AND 116 DOLLARS MORE PER OH OKAY.

JOHN, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? YES, SIR. PLEASE INDULGE ME, IF YOU WILL.

WHAT'S THE BEST RATE YOU COULD GIVE US? WHAT'S THE BEST FLAT FEE WE RENEGOTIATED RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR TAXPAYERS CASH PIDS SPECIFICALLY FOR GRAYSTONE? A CASH FLOW PID, A CASH FLOW PID.

I KNOW RIGHT NOW HE'S SAYING 1150, IS THAT EVEN THE RIGHT NUMBER? LET'S DIVIDE IT OUT BY THE NUMBER OF LOTS IN TOTAL.

SO CORRECT.

$15000 IS WHAT YOU SAID $15000 WAS WHAT YOU SAID WAS THE FLAT START.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, SO THAT'S HERE.

SO COULD YOU GIVE US WHAT WAS THE BEST? COULD YOU DO? SO LET ME.

AND I'M I'M IT'S A FAIR QUESTION, IT'S I'M I'LL BE HONEST, I AM NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THIS. I WOULD WANT TO GO, I'M GOING TO ANSWER IT.

I'M JUST SAYING I'M I CAN'T TELL YOU FROM A I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR WE TRACK ALL OUR TIME AND INTERNAL AND ALL THAT.

SO I'D ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY, OK, HERE'S OUR HERE'S OUR BREAK, EVEN WHAT WE ANTICIPATE. AND I GUESS THAT I'M WILLING TO SAY IF.

AGAIN, FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT? REG IS SAYING FOR WHAT REG KIND OF THE REASON I WAS SAYING THIS MAY NOT WORK IS BECAUSE THE 987 WAS A ANYTHING ABOVE 987 WAS.

SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE REAL TOUGH, RIGHT? HE WAS NOT TO GO BACK AND I MEAN, WE'D BE LOSING MONEY, BUT I'D SAY IF IF WE CUT IT IN HALF, I TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOSING MONEY, IF WE CUT IT IN HALF.

BUT THAT TAKE IT DOWN TO 7500.

WHAT IF THAT WAS THE ONLY DEAL YOU ALL HAD IN ANGLETON? I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO WAY, NO WAY WE'RE DOING IT.

BUT GIVEN THAT WE'VE GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU ALL, WE'RE WORKING ON SEVERAL OTHER PIDS. IF IT HELPED SOLVE A PROBLEM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT.

AND SO IF CUTTING IT HALF, IT'S THAT'S STILL THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN THE 987, RIGHT? BUT CUT IN HALF.

YOU BOTH. I MEAN, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, AND I KNOW YOU ALL LOSE A LITTLE BIT MONEY, BUT IF IT'S WORTH WORKING, THE DEAL OUT.

WELL, MY RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU'RE GOING TO AGAIN, STAY WITH P3 IS AND YOU WANT TO NEGOTIATE. GIVE HIM THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND RUN THE NUMBERS TO FIND THAT PRICE POINT

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AND YOU COULD SAY YOU AGREE OR DON'T AGREE OR THIS IS THE FINAL DEAL.

AND LET THEM DO THAT.

BUT YEAH, I DON'T. I'M NOT TRYING TO.

YEAH, I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO DO IT OFF THE CUFF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

RUN YOUR NUMBERS, DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

JOHN. WOULD YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 30 YEAR HIT? WHAT WOULD BE THE FINAL PAYMENT THAT SOMEONE'S PAYING ON THEIR 30TH YEAR? HOW MUCH IS THAT? OH, BOY.

WELL, SO OF THE THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST IS THE BIGGEST COMPONENT, AND THAT STAYS LEVEL, RIGHT, SO OF THE 987.

AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IF IF IT'S $900 TO THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST, THEN IT'S JUST THE ADMINISTRATION PARTS IS THE PIECE THAT'S GOING UP TWO PERCENT. AND AGAIN, THE REASON WE DO IT IS JUST WE'RE SEEING IT NOW WITH INFLATION.

IF YOU IF IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING BUILT IN THERE, THEN YOU ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT TO ADMINISTER THIS THING EFFECTIVELY FOR 30 YEARS.

I MEAN, YOU COULD YOU CAN FIRE US AT ANY POINT IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE SERVICE.

SO CITIES CAN ALWAYS SWITCH.

BUT AT SOME POINT, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY HALLS HILL WOULD PROBABLY BE STRUGGLING IN YEAR 10 OR 15 TO PAY THEIR BILLS IF IT JUST STAYS AT A CONSTANT CONSTANT RATE. SO I THINK ANTICIPATE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE ALSO PROBABLY COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, WE HAD AGREED TO THIS THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT WE NEED TO WE NEED TO INCREASE IT TO THE COST OF LIVING INCREASES, RIGHT? OVERALL INFLATION. SO YEAH, SO IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A TWO PERCENT IN THE ANNUAL INSTALLMENT. EVERY YEAR, THE TWO PERCENT IT WOULD BE A, FOR INSTANCE, IF IF YOU STARTED OFF AT 987, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO.

OH, GOSH.

WELL, SO, JOHN, I HAVE YOUR DRAFT SAP IN FRONT OF ME.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS THAT YOU HAVE ATTACHED TO THE DRAFT SAP? SURE. YEAH, IF YOU IF YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, I'VE GOT IT IN FRONT SPEAKERS]. SO THE WHAT THE CALCULATIONS YOU DID BEFORE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT SWITCHING TO SOMEONE ELSE WERE THE ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS FOR 2022 WOULD BE ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO DOLLARS 2023, WHICH IS THE REAL YEAR THAT STARTS.

IT WOULD BE ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY ONE DOLLARS AND THEN THE YEAR 2052 WOULD BE TWELVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY DOLLARS.

SO GET THAT TO GET THAT STRAIGHT.

IT'S ELEVEN FORTY ONE IN THE YEAR 2023.

AND IN THE YEAR 2052, IT'S TWELVE SEVENTY.

AND THOSE ARE THE CALCULATIONS THAT P3 DID BEFORE THE WHOLE CHANGE AND ADMINISTRATOR WAS RAISED BY A DEVELOPER.

ONCE AGAIN, COUNCIL.

MAKE A MOTION, I'LL JUST.

Y'ALL CAN VOTE AGAINST IT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE STAY WITH P3 THAT WE.

AUTHORIZE THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WE ASKED TO NEGOTIATE FURTHER WITH JOHN TO GIVE US THE BEST POSSIBLE RATE THAT HE BRING THAT RATE BACK TO US.

AND WE VOTE ON IT I'LL SECOND IT.

TIRED OF THE PIDS. IF I'M HAPPY TO SAY SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS AND I'LL GO, I'LL DEAL WITH MY PARTNERS. BUT THAT WAY, THAT WAY YOU ALL DON'T HAVE A Y'ALL DON'T HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO SAY IT'S SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS WITH WITH TWO PERCENT INCREASES, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF IT SOLVES A PROBLEM FOR THE CITY.

YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT YOUR NUMBERS, SEAN.

I KNOW. I KNOW THAT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO EVER GET ANY LOWER THAN THAT, SO.

OH YEAH. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO GO LOWER.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO YOU AS WELL.

YEAH, NO, I KNOW AND WE'VE WE'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR IN IN ANOTHER MARKET UP IN THE DALLAS AREA, SO I CAN TELL MY PARTNER, HEY, YOU DID IT UP THERE.

THIS IS MY THIS IS MY GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD.

SO AGAIN, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENTS, REG OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S LISTENING. THIS IS FOR US.

THIS IS A ONE OFF TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR THE SAKE OF ANGLETON.

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OK, SO THEN I'LL STRIKE THAT PREVIOUS MOTION AND MAKE A NEW MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT MR. JOHN SNYDER'S OFFER FOR WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND YEAH I WITHDRAW MY SECOND.

AND WE ACCEPT MR. SNYDER'S OFFER FOR $7500.

AND THEN I SAID, I THINK HE SAID A TWO PERCENT INCREASE ANNUALLY AND THAT HE PUT IT IN WRITING SO THEY COULD BE REVIEWED TO BE ACCEPTED FOR THE GRAYSTONE, FOR THE GRAYSTONE CASH BID REIMBURSEMENT PID.

SECOND, A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I HOPE NOT.

YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. HEFFERNAN IF HE'S GOING TO BURN THE PLACE DOWN IF WE PASS THIS TONIGHT.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO? NO I'M NOT BURNING ANYTHING DOWN.

NO, THAT'S YOU KNOW, THE DECISION YOU ALL GOT TO MAKE.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE THE PAYMENT TO THE PEOPLE IN GRAYSTONE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT AS MUCH AS IT WAS, BUT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND IT'S GOING TO FLUCTUATE. AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT AND I THINK JOHN WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO STEP ASIDE AND KEEP IT FLAT LIKE AGREED.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, THEN WE JUST I GO MEET ALL THE BUILDERS AND BUYERS AND SAY THEIR DEAL'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

AND IF THEY BACK OUT OF THE CONTRACT, THEY BACK OUT OF THE CONTRACT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT, JOHN.

YOU GOT IT. WE'RE DONE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE, AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

AYE. SO MOTION PASSES THREE TWO.

GOOD EVENING. LET'S TALK ABOUT SOLAR LIGHTS FOR A MINUTE.

HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. HOLD ON A SECOND.

ITEM NUMBER 10 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SOLAR STREET LIGHT PROJECT.

[10. Discussion and possible action on the solar street light project. ]

THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO THIS IS ABOUT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE CAME TO YOU WITH A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE HAD BEEN APPROVED TO SPEND FOR OUR AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS THAT MONEY AND THERE WAS $100,000 IN THERE DESIGNATED FOR SOLAR LIGHTS, AND YOU ALL AGREED WITH THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN ASSESSMENT ON OUR SOLAR LIGHT USAGE. SO THE FIRST SOLAR LIGHTS YOU ALL APPROVED BACK IN, I GUESS IT WAS 2021. BUT OK, SO WE GOT LIGHTS INSTALLED ON DALLAS STREET, SOUTH SIDE DRIVE, HOUSTON AND RICHMOND STREET, AND WE'VE GOTTEN GREAT FEEDBACK.

EVERYTHING IS WORKING WELL AND WE WILL SOON RECEIVE 24 NEW SOLAR STREET LIGHTS FOR INSTALLATION. SO THE LIGHTS THAT ARE COMING IN ARE NEEDED TO COMPLETE INSTALLATIONS ON THE STREETS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL, WHICH IS [INAUDIBLE] STREET 22 LIGHTS, PINEY WAY 13 LIGHTS.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED 5 SOLAR LIGHTS ON WEST LIVE OAK TO FILL IN LIGHTING GAPS FOR IMPROVED SECURITY.

SOLAR LIGHTS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FOR THE COUNTY PARKING LOT.

ACTUALLY, WE WE VOLUNTEERED THOSE ADJACENT TO VETERANS PARK, AND THAT WOULD BE 4.

AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED 3 SOLAR STREET LIGHTS FOR THEIR LOCATIONS FOR ADDED SECURITY. AND THEN THERE ARE 2 SOLAR STREET LIGHTS NEEDED ON ORANGE ON THE ORANGE STREET SIDE OF THE CITY HALL, WHERE IT'S REALLY DARK OVER HERE.

SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF 49 AND WE ONLY HAVE 24 COMING IN.

THEN WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT FIVE NEW STREET LOCATIONS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY CITIZEN PETITIONS.

WE PUT THAT OUT THERE IN THE FALL.

THAT'S REMINGTON, BURT, WEST BRONCO BEND, WIMBERLY, AND HOSPITAL DRIVE.

THE QUANTITY NEEDED FOR THESE STREETS WAS BEING REVIEWED AND I GOT THE REVIEW BACK AND IT LOOKS LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE, WE WILL NEED AN ADDITIONAL 25 MORE LIGHTS.

SO BECAUSE THE NEED FOR THE SOLAR STREET LIGHTS EXCEEDS THE BUDGET TO PURCHASE LIGHTS, WE NEED A PROCESS IN PLACE TO PRIORITIZE THE LOCATIONS AND WE NEED YOUR HELP FOR THAT.

WE REQUEST THAT YOU PRIORITIZE THE ASSIGNMENT WITH SAFETY BEING THE TOP CONSIDERATION AND THEREFORE THE 24 INCOMING LIGHTS WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO WEST LIVE OAK.

THE COUNTY PARKING LOT PINEY WAY, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR A TOTAL OF 24.

SO THAT'S FIVE TO WEST LIVE OAK, FOUR FOR THE COUNTY PARKING LOT.

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THREE FOR PINEY WAY.

AND TWO FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I WANT TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK AND CLARIFY SO THAT WHEN SHE SAYS THE COUNTY PARKING LOT, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S VETERAN'S PARK, BUT THEY WOULD PHYSICALLY BE ON THE STRIP OF GRASS BETWEEN SHENANGO AND THE REST OF THE PARKING LOT.

[INAUDIBLE] YES, YOU SAID THREE.

IT SAYS 13.

THIRTEEN ON PINEY WAY.

13 ON ON PINEY WAY.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTS FIVE ON WEST LIVE OAK AND THEN THE PARKING LOT ADJACENT TO VETERANS PARK.

WHEN YOU SAY FIRE DEPARTMENT? WHAT ARE WE? WHICH TWO? SO IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S THE THREE DIFFERENT STATIONS.

THERE'S ONLY TWO LIGHTS. WELL, THEY REQUESTED TWO.

BUT CHRIS SAID MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE COULD ADD ANOTHER ONE, BUT WE WANTED TO GO WITH TWO.

AS SOON AS WE IT'S A PARKING LOT SITUATION FOR EACH STATION. YEAH, IT'S GOT.

I'M SORRY. THERE'S ONLY TWO LISTED, THAT'S WHY SO, YEAH, SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE GOING TO GET TWO FOR STATION THREE TWO FOR STATION ONE AND ONE FOR STATION TWO.

WE'VE CUT THAT DOWN TO TRY TO BRING SOME IN NEXT YEAR.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR STATION THREE AND WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES GOING ON WITH SCOTTISH INN.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME SECURITY ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHERE THESE ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO PUT BOTH OF THOSE ON STATION THREE, RIGHT? JUST TRY TO HELP ME OUT WHERE IS BAYOU STREET? THANK YOU. YEAH.

I JUST ASKED HIM THAT.

LET ME LOOK, I HAVE MAPS.

I. OKAY.

OH, ON THE BRAND NEW CITY, NEW SUBDIVISION, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE PROVIDING LIGHTS FOR THOSE, NO.

THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS.

CLINT JUST LEFT, YEAH, HE JUST WANTED HE KNEW I WAS COMING.

TWENTY TWO LIGHTS, NO.

WE DON'T ASK YOU DON'T GET. WELL, THOSE WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY YOU ALL IN THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE, WHICH PRECEDED ME, BUT IT WASN'T ACTUALLY IT WAS IT 2021, IT WAS 2020 THAT THAT WAS. OR IF WE NEED TO STRIKE ONE, THAT'S HOW I NEVER APPROVED THAT I APPROVED HOUSTON, BASTROP AND AND DALLAS.

I NEVER. YEAH.

BAYOU ST. DIDN'T EVEN EXIST.

WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT WAS. YEAH, OK.

MAYBE IT WAS BEFORE CHRIS'S DEVELOPMENT.

BEFORE I WAS HERE. I THINK THERE WAS A PREVIOUS.

NO, WE STARTED STREETLIGHTS ONCE YOU WERE HERE.

IT WAS A PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I'M SAYING.

OK, BEFORE CHRIS CAME IN, THAT KIND OF WENT AWAY.

NO. WE NEED NEW SUBDIVISIONS, ARE HAVING THEIR LIGHTS PUT IN, SO LET'S SCRATCH THAT, AND YEAH, THAT'S 22 LIGHTS WE CAN PUT ELSEWHERE.

THERE'S MANY OTHER THE OLDER AREAS OF TOWN THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE START PUTTING ANYTHING IN NEW SUBDIVISIONS.

TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

WELL, WE HAVE WIMBERLY ON HERE, BUT SOUTH HAMPTON AND ALL THOSE ALL THOSE OLD STREETS RIGHT THROUGH THERE ALL NEED LIGHTS.

AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOREVER ABOUT IT.

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THEIR PETITIONS IF IT'S NOT LISTED HERE, RIGHT? BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHICH WERE THE PETITION STREETS, REMINGTON, BERT, WEST BRONCO BEND, WIMBERLY AND HOSPITAL DRIVE.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY RESOLVED HOSPITAL DRIVE BECAUSE I WENT DOWN AND LOOKED AT IT AND TOOK SOME PHOTOS. THERE'S ACTUALLY NO PLACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD TO PUT A SOLAR STREET LIGHT. SO CHRIS HAD A GREAT IDEA, SAID, WELL, IF THERE'S ELECTRIC LIGHTS OUT THERE, WE CAN REQUEST THAT TEXAS, NEW MEXICO PUT A LIGHT POLES AND POWER LINES.

SO YOU COULD DO IS ATTACH A LIGHT AND WE CAN SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR IT.

IT'S NOT A SOLAR LIGHT, BUT IT PROVIDES A LIGHTING THAT'S NEEDED AND YOU CAN'T PUT A POLE THERE ANYWAYS UNDER THE WIRE.

I THINK WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID WE COULDN'T PUT LIGHTS ON THEIR POLES.

IT WOULDN'T BE OUR LIGHT. BE A REQUEST FOR TEXAS-MEXICO ON THEIR POLE.

YEAH, NOT A SOLAR LIGHT.

WE PAY AN INSTALLATION FEE AND THEN WE'D PAY THE NORMAL MONTHLY SERVICE.

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I'M GOING TO PLEAD IGNORANCE HERE, BUT IS THERE A PETITION PAPER OR SOMETHING THAT YEAH.

YES, SIR. WE HAVE A.

YOU CAN'T FEEL IT. I HAVE A PERSON WHO HAS ASKED FOR LIGHTS TO BE INSTALLED ON COLONY DRIVE. AND I WAS TOLD I TOLD THAT PERSON I WOULD BRING THAT REQUEST TO CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT, SO THERE IS A FORM AND IT REQUIRES THE NEIGHBORS TO SIGN IT AS WELL.

SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SO WE NOW HAVE WE NOW HAVE YOUR REQUEST AND WE'LL FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE PAPERWORK.

AND THERE'S THERE'S THREE OLD LIGHT STANDARDS OUT THERE AND THERE'S THE GLOBES, ARE ALL OF THEM. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY WERE.

THIS WAS FROM, YEAH, THOSE ARE ORNAMENTAL LIGHTS.

THEY WERE THEY WERE 1962 WHEN THE PLANT WAS ORIGINALLY FILED.

SO IT'S WAY BACK THERE, BUT THEY DON'T WORK.

SO. SO HOW WILL HOW WILL GET THAT PERSONAL? WELL, IF YOU GIVE US THE PERSON'S NAME, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE REST.

YEAH, BE HAPPY TO.

I TOLD THEM, THANK YOU FOR ASKING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW YOUR STREET WAS BLACK.

I DON'T GO OVER THERE AT NIGHT.

WELL, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUSH MY VOTES TOWARDS WIMBERLY, FOR SURE.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AT LEAST WORKING ON THESE BERT AND WIMBERLY, I THINK HOW MANY ON WIMBERLY? LET ME LOOK.

I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THOSE RIGHT NOW.

WIMBERLY. SEVEN.

OK. IT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.

YEAH. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD PIECEMEAL PINEY? YEAH. GIVE THEM SEVEN UP FRONT AND STAGGER THEM, A LITTLE BIT MORE DISTANT AND THEN COME BACK AND FILL IN BETWEEN.

YES. WHAT WE DO IS WE GET HDR TO LAY IT OUT.

SO LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S SEVEN LIGHTS ON THERE.

THEY'LL LAY OUT THE SEVEN LOCATIONS AND WE CAN PUT IN THE THREE OR THE FOUR.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE PLANS NOW NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE GO GET THE FUNDS, GO BUY THE REST AND STICK THEM IN THE LOCATIONS WE ALREADY KNOW.

OK. OK.

SO THAT WAS PINEY WAY YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT STAGGERING.

YES, I'M WOULD BE OK WITH THAT, I MEAN.

AND TO ATTEMPT TO GET WIMBERLY.

WELL, THE TWENTY TWO COMING OFF ONE, I DO WANT WEST LIVE OAK.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH, YEAH, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH.

WAS IT JUST WEST WEST LIVE OAK CHIEF OR POSSIBLY WEST MARSHALL ALSO OR JUST WEST? STREET WITH THE GREATEST NEED THERE, AND THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE'S A NEED FOR MORE.

OK, SO I'M CAPTURING, TWO TO THE PD.

I'M CAPTURING I'M SORRY, OK, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT NOW.

I'M CAPTURING PINEY WAY.

WE SAID THE NUMBER WAS SEVEN SEVEN WEST LIVE OAK IS FIVE.

IS THAT ALL THAT YOU NEED OUT THERE? NOW WE'RE AT 14 14.

WE NEED 10 MORE. AND MORE AND MORE.

WIMBERLY IS SEVEN, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 17.

ONCE YOU HAVE THE CUL DE SAC AT THE END.

THERE'S ONE AT THE END AND I THINK THERE'S ONE IN THE MIDDLE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

OK, HOW ABOUT THIS? THERE'S TWO MORE.

BUT MAYBE WE CAN PHASE IT THOUGH, AND WE'LL I'M OK NOW.

JUST SOMETHING YOU KNOW SO WITH.

AND BERT NEEDS TO BE.

THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE WOULD DO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.

I'M TRYING TO BE EQUITABLE IN THE AREAS, YEAH, I AGREE SO.

AND SO FOR BERT, THAT WOULD BE FOUR.

LET'S DO WHAT IF WE DID? OK, SO I HAVE A TWO AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SEVEN AT PINEY, FIVE AT WEST LIVE OAK.

TWO AT COLONY THAT MAKES SIXTEEN.

I GUESS THEY'LL GET FIVE.

OK, THAT'S ONE.

IS THERE A QUESTION THAT IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN TIE IN SOLAR LIGHTS TO THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR, LIKE THE ROBIN HOOD AREA STREET, THE STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS INCLUDE SOLAR LIGHTS WITH ROBIN HOOD SAN PHILIPPE[INAUDIBLE] AND SAY WHATEVER THE STREET WAS, BUT THEY WON'T BE FINISHED UNTIL THIS YEAR, OR THEY WON'T BE FINISHED TILL THE TILL

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THE NEXT BUDGET SEASON, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT THEM IN THE NEXT BUDGET SEASON I'M PRETTY SURE I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE THE MONEY IN THERE.

WE COULD, THOUGH WE CAN USE ARP FUNDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN MAY DESIGNATE THAT TOWARD THAT PROJECT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE LIKE IS NEEDED.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDS FOR IT KIND OF BUILT INTO THE UPCOMING PROJECTS THAT WE CAN SEND IT TO OTHER AREAS, PUT BIG RED X'S WHERE THE LIGHTS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO [LAUGHTER]. I LOVE THAT.

I'M TRYING TO. SO TWO AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SEVEN ON PINEY WAY.

FIVE ON WEST LIVE OAK.

[INAUDIBLE] FOUR ON WIMBERLEY, WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF WHAT WAS IT WAS SEVEN, AND WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO TAKE FIVE, MAKE IT FIVE. OK FIVE.

OK, AND THEN TWO ON COLONY AND THREE ON BERT GETS US TO TWENTY FOUR NOW.

YOU KNOW, COLONIES NEW A NEW TONIGHT AND WE'VE HAD AN APPLICATION COME IN A PETITION SIGNED ON WEST BRONCO BEND FOR SOME TIME AND THEY'RE REQUESTING EIGHT.

SO I'D RATHER DO INSTEAD OF GIVE THEM TWO, I'D RATHER GIVE.

YOU CAN GET COLONY MOST OF THE COLONIES WITH TWO LIGHTS.

YOU GET TO ONE OF THEM THE CUL DE SAC GET SOMEWHERE HALFWAY DOWN.

AND WHEREAS WE CAN COME BACK AND GET BRONCO BEND ALL AT ONCE.

YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE NEXT ORDER.

WE TAKE WEST BRONCO BEND AND THEN WE COULD FILL OUT SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS THAT WE SHORTED, RIGHT? AND THAT AND DOES THAT STILL GIVE US THE LIGHTS WE NEED FOR THE VETERANS PARK PARKING LOT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? NONE FOR VETERANS PARK.

NONE. NONE YET.

NONE YET. IT HASN'T BEEN REDEVELOPED YET, EITHER, SO WE'VE GOT THAT FEEL LIKE WE CAN BUILD THAT INTO COST.

YEAH, I'M WRITING THAT DOWN.

THERE YOU GO. YEAH, YEAH.

YEAH, IT'S RECORDED COMING OUT OF PARTS, BUT DIDN'T MAKE IT THAT WELL.

SO COUNCILMAN GONGORA KIND OF TOUCHED ON JUST NOW, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN AND IT'S REALLY AROUND THE LIFESPAN OF THESE LIGHTS.

AND I KNOW WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP AND START PUTTING STREETLIGHTS IN AND ALL THESE PLACES.

BUT WHERE AND WHEN ARE WE GOING? START BUYING REPLACEMENTS SO THAT WE HAVE THEM ON HAND IN CASE SOMETHING GOES OUT BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD ONE ON DALLAS ISN'T WORKING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THAT ONE, I'LL FIND OUT.

BUT THESE HAVE A 15 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE BATTERY AND THE POLE.

OK, WELL, CAN WE GET THE REPLACEMENT FOR THE ONE ON DALLAS? I'LL CHECK INTO THAT AND I NEED TO FIND OUT WHO WHO'S LOOKED AT THAT? WHO DID IF YOU TALKED TO SOMEBODY IN PUBLIC WORKS? NO, I'VE TALKED TO THE PERSON THAT HAS THE LIGHT RIGHT OUTSIDE THEIR HOUSE THAT SAYS IT ONLY STAYS ON UNTIL ABOUT MIDNIGHT.

IT GOES OFF. WHAT STREET IS IT AGAIN? DALLAS, DALLAS.

OK. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

YEAH, I JUST.

ONE OF THE NEXT NIGHTS, I'M GONNA BE UP AT MIDNIGHT, I'M GOING TO DRIVE OVER THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS.

YOU MIGHT RUN INTO JASON CRUZ.

HE'S A HE'S OUT AT NIGHT TOO I'M A NIGHT OWL USUALLY I HAVE TO REMEMBER TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, PATTY, WOULD YOU MIND IF I WENT OVER THESE NUMBERS WITH YOU AGAIN? SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

I'D BE HAPPY TO. I HAVE TWO AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SEVEN ON PINEY WAY.

FIVE ON WEST LIVE OAK.

FIVE ON WIMBERLY.

TWO ON COLONY, THREE ON BERT.

THAT'S TWENTY FOUR. THAT'S RIGHT.

YES. OK, THAT'S TWENTY FOUR, AND WE HAVE TWENTY FOUR LIGHTS COMING IN, BUT DIDN'T WE SAY WE WANTED TO USE TARP FUNDS? YEAH, DIDN'T WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS? SO THAT'S TWO MORE.

CARTER, OH, YOU SAID IT FIRST, OK? SORRY, IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME.

OK. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOCATE THE LIGHTS, ALLOCATE THE LIGHTS, ACCORDING TO THE WAY I JUST LAID IT OUT, IF I NEED TO, I CAN READ IT AGAIN, MIKE SAYS YES, NO KIDDING.

SECOND, I HAVE A A MOTION MY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SECOND, MY COUNCILMAN GONGORA FOR THE LIGHT SOLAR STREET LIGHT DISTRIBUTION AS PRESENTED OR AS STATED, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

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THANK YOU. I DIDN'T PROMISE THAT PERSON ANYTHING, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU.

AND THEY WILL, TOO. I GUESS THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY ON THAT IS, ARE WE SINCE WE'RE TAKING SOME OFF OF SOME OF THESE STREETS, ARE WE LEAVING AT LEAST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DESIGN IT THE WAY THAT TO WHERE WE CAN GO BACK AND PUT THE REST IN, NOT JUST NOT STAGGER THEM OUT, MAKE SURE THAT WE LEAVE.

EXACTLY.

LET'S SAY, 13 LOCATIONS, RIGHT? AND IN THE CASES WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD THE POLES FOR ALL THOSE LOCATIONS.

WHEN WE DON'T FILL THOSE AND WE HAVE THE GAPS, THAT'S ON THE MAP SO THAT OK, AS WE MAKE OUT THAT PLAN EXACT LOCATION WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

YEAH, WE'RE PRETTY ORGANIZED WITH THAT, AND I THINK THAT WILL GO FINE.

I JUST KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF STAGGERING A LITTLE BECAUSE IF THEY GOT A 15 YEAR WARRANTY, ANY ONE COMES A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER.

MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLACE THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

THERE YOU GO. IT'S A POSITIVE SPIN ON IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OTHER OK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, PATTY.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 DISCUSSION ON AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING A NAMING RIGHTS POLICY FOR CITY

[11. Discussion on an ordinance adopting a Naming Rights Policy for City Parks and Facilities and adopting a Parks Memorial Policy; amending Chapter 17 Parks and Recreation, of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Angleton, Texas providing for severability, providing for penalty and an effective date. ]

PARKS AND FACILITIES AND ADOPTING A PARKS MEMORIAL POLICY AMENDING CHAPTER 17 PARKS AND RECREATION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS.

PROVIDING SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

YES. EVENING MAYOR PRO TEM AT 9:00.

YES. SO STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO DEVELOP POLICIES FOR NAMING RIGHTS FOR CITY PARKS AND FACILITIES TO ESTABLISH UNIFORM PROCEDURES AND CRITERIA FOR THE NAMING OF CITY OF ANGLETON OWNED FACILITIES, INCLUDING PARKS AND SPECIFIC FACILITIES WITHIN PARKS.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE.

IN NOVEMBER 9TH, 2020, WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS TWO TWO DIFFERENT POLICIES APPROVED BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.

SO PRIOR TO THAT, THAT TIME IT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AT LENGTH.

WE HAD BROUGHT THESE POLICIES BACK FOR SEVERAL PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETINGS, AND IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, THEY WERE APPROVED FOR CITY COUNCIL REVIEW.

YOU MAY RECALL THAT NOVEMBER 17TH OF 2020, WE DID BRING THESE POLICIES TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE DID HAVE.

THAT WAS WITH THE CAVEAT OF HAVING LEGAL REVIEW THEM.

WHAT LEGAL HAS DONE IS COMBINE THESE POLICIES AND TO PUT IT INTO ORDINANCE, CODIFY IT, PUT IN AN ORDINANCE FORM.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS REALLY JUST THE FIRST REVIEW OF WHAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.