10. Discussion and possible action on authorizing the City to pursue the issuance of City of Angleton, Texas, Combination Tax and Revenue Certificates of Obligation, Series 2022.

[10. Discussion and possible action on authorizing the City to pursue the issuance of City of Angleton, Texas, Combination Tax and Revenue Certificates of Obligation, Series 2022.]

YES, SIR. OH, JUST WHEN YOU ARE DONE.

OH YEAH, YEAH, OK. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO PURSUE THE ISSUANCE OF CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2022.

GO AHEAD, CHRIS. SO LET ME PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT.

THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION IS THE WHAT WE CALL THE SERVICE CENTER, THE OLD FORD DEALERSHIP ON 901 SOUTH VELASCO THAT WE HAD TO MOVE

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EMPLOYEES OUT OF BECAUSE OF MOLD AND ROOF AND STRUCTURAL ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, A YEAR PLUS AGO.

AND SO THIS IS OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO BOND WITHIN OUR CURRENT CAPACITY TO BRING THIS ISSUE UP.

AND SO WE DID SOME PRELIMINARY WORK, WHICH WE'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IN THE PAST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SITES AND DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

WE ALL AGREED IT'S GOING TO BE AT 901 SOUTH VELASCO.

WE DID SOME FEASIBILITY TO THAT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THE FUTURE OF ANGLETON FOR BOTH PARKS, PUBLIC WORKS, IT.

AND YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, WE'RE GROWING OUT EVERYTHING.

SO THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE FOLKS OUT OF CITY HALL THERE IN AN INTERIM BASIS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND EXPAND.

SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY.

SO LOOKING AT ALL THE NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY, WHICH ARE MANY LIKE FIRE TRUCKS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE DOING SOME GREAT STREET WORK OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS THROUGH THE PAST BOND. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT COULD BE DONE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH ABLC ABOUT IS PARKS SINCE WE'RE KIND OF PARKS ORIENTED AS A COMMUNITY OR HALF CENT SALES TAX GOES THAT WAY.

AND SO THE SERVICE CENTER OR ANGLETON OPERATION CENTER AS IT'S CURRENTLY CALLED.

THE ESTIMATE IS ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WHEN WE BOND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD DO? AND SO SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS AND NOT REQUIREMENTS AND SUBJECT TO DEBATE AND DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL IS, YOU KNOW, WE TORE DOWN THE OLD GAZEBO AT VETERANS PARK.

THE COUNTY IS DOING THE NEW COURTHOUSE COMPLEX, WHICH WILL BE A FANTASTIC ADDITION TO DOWNTOWN. BUT PART OF THE THOUGHT IS YOU KNOW WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT PARK, WHICH IS CONCERTS IN THE PARK? WE'VE HAD THE CHAMBER USE IT FOR EVENTS AND OTHER PART OF CHRISTMAS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO A SUGGESTION WHICH IS, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S NUMBER TWO IN OUR PARKS PRIORITY IS TO REDO VETERAN'S PARK.

ANOTHER PROJECT WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NEEDS.

SO AS THEY EXPAND THEIR CAPABILITY TO PUT A BUILDING BEHIND STATION NUMBER ONE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW SOME RENOVATIONS OF FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE TO INCLUDE BUNK SPACE AND OTHER CAPABILITIES, SO MOVE SOME OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT EQUIPMENT OUT OF THAT BUILDING BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, STORMS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND THE FUTURE OPERATIONS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE BUNK SPACE AND OTHER OPERATIONS INSIDE THE STATION.

AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS WE KINDA KEEP WRESTLING AROUND AND WE KEEP GETTING SHOT DOWN THROUGH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CHANNELS AND NO FAULT OF GLENN, BUT WE KEEP TRYING TO FIND A GENERATOR THAT WE CAN PUT ON A TRAILER THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO KEEP OUR 54 LIFT STATIONS IN OPERATION WHEN WE LOSE POWER ACROSS THE CITY.

SO INSTEAD OF BUY 54 GENERATORS, WE HAVE ONE GENERATOR THAT CAN MOVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ALLOW THE OPERATION OF THAT LIFT STATION TO FUNCTION.

AND THEN WE MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LIFT STATION AND CONTINUE THE PROCESS UNTIL WE GET THE POWER BACK ON. SO AGAIN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REQUIREMENTS.

I WOULD HOPE THAT THE ANGLETON OPERATION CENTER/SERVICE CENTER/ WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TELL ME TO CALL IT, IS CLEARLY THE PRIORITY AND AND MOVES FORWARD.

UP FOR DISCUSSION AND FOR GUIDANCE IS WE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS.

CLEARLY, WE'RE NOT HUNG ON ANYTHING BUT LOOKING FOR COUNCIL GUIDANCE ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, CHRIS.

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BUT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT AS WELL IS Y'ALL'S THE ADVISER FOR OUR BONDS AND OUR FINANCIAL STUFF? SO TENECHA.

THIS IS. GO AHEAD. YES, I'M GOING TO GET THIS NAME RIGHT.

JOE MORROW IS HERE AND HE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JOE. AND WE'LL ASK YOU TOO, JOE, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN COMING OVER HERE? YOU KNOW, I STARTED WITH FIRST SOUTHWEST COMPANY, WHICH EVENTUALLY CAME HILLTOP IN MAY OF 1992. AND WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR, THE FIRST FILE I WAS HANDED WAS A REFUNDING FOR CITY OF ANGLETON. SO LET'S JUST CALL IT MAY OF 1992.

BEEN A FEW YEARS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND YOUR FRIENDSHIP.

YOU BET. THANK YOU.

IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH THE CITY, AND.

SO WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN, PROBABLY THROUGH A COUPLE OF BUDGET MEETINGS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT FUTURE BONDING CAPACITY.

AND SO WHEN ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ARISE, WE DEFINITELY WANTED JOE HERE TO DISCUSS OUR DEBT AND BONDING CAPABILITY.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE EMERGING, IF, YOU KNOW, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL ABOUT RAISING INTEREST RATES.

AND SO IT'S A TIME WHERE WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

BUT I THINK IT'S A SENSE OF URGENCY AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BORROW FOR LESS POTENTIALLY THAN WE WILL SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FROM NOW.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. WHITTAKER. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JOE MORROW WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES IN YOUR PACKET WAS A PRESENTATION THAT I PREPARED IN CONJUNCTION WITH CHRIS HILL.

AND I'LL JUST RUN YOU THROUGH IT REAL QUICKLY.

THE FIRST PAGE IS THE HISTORICAL INTEREST RATES, AND IF YOU'LL LOOK TO THE FAR LEFT HAND SIDE, THE LAST DATA POINT ON THIS WAS FEBRUARY 10TH.

THESE COME OUT WEEKLY.

SO THIS WAS THE LAST DATA POINT THAT WE HAD WHEN WE SENT THIS TO GO INTO YOUR PACKETS.

THE DATA POINT AFTER THAT WENT UP SLIGHTLY AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH INTEREST RATES IS THERE IS THE MOMENTUM UPWARDS.

YOU CAN SEE, THOUGH, JUST FROM THE TOP OF THAT ON THE 20 YEAR HISTORY.

IF YOU LOOK BACK TO THE LEFT, IT'S STILL LOWER THAN IT HAS BEEN IN A LONG TIME.

BUT WE ARE EXPECTING INTEREST RATES TO CONTINUE TO RISE.

THE ACTION THAT WE'RE SEEING IN UKRAINE IS NOT HELPFUL TO WORLD MARKETS, AS THAT'S EXPECTED TO IMPACT ENERGY SUPPLIES, WHICH ALREADY HAVE BEEN UNDER DURESS.

AND WE JUST WE KNOW THAT OPEC HAS SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE RAISING PRODUCTION IN ANY SUBSTANTIAL WAY.

SO ENERGY BEING A MAJOR COMPONENT, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES STILL AMONG US, YOU KNOW, COVID STARTING TO GO AWAY.

HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WAVE OF THAT.

BUT ALL IN ALL, THE OUTLOOK FOR INTEREST RATES IS THEY WILL CONTINUE TO RISE.

FEDERAL RESERVE HAS SIGNALED THE MARKETS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BEGIN TIGHTENING THE MINUTES TO THEIR MEETING THAT CAME OUT LAST WEEK REITERATED WHAT THEY HAD TOLD THE MARKETS, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

MARKETS LIKE CONSISTENCY, SO IT'S A GOOD THING WHEN THEIR ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE BACKED UP BY THE MINUTES THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

SO WE DO EXPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN TO SEE INTEREST RATES BEING RATCHETED UP IN 25 BASIS POINT INCREMENTS BEGINNING MOST LIKELY IN MARCH AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR AND INTO 2023.

SO AGAIN, I THINK THE ONE THING THAT IS INTERESTING TO SEE IN THIS IS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RATES GOING UP AND RATES GOING UP RATHER QUICKLY AND DRAMATICALLY, WE STILL ARE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT BELOW WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

IN FACT, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD STILL SELL DEBT WITHIN THE NEXT 90 TO 100 DAYS, MOST LIKELY WITH A THREE HANDLE.

BUT AGAIN, WORLD EVENTS CAN CHANGE OVERNIGHT.

RIGHT? SO WE HAVE THAT AS OUR CAVEAT.

ON THE NEXT PAGE.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRIVERS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOUR TAX RATE IS GOING TO BE WHAT

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IS OUR DEBT OUTSTANDING AND WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSED VALUE GOING TO BE? SO WE KNOW THAT ANGLETON IS SEEING A LOT OF INTEREST IN BUILDING, AND WE RAN TWO SCENARIOS FOR YOU, ONE WHERE WE HAD A INCREASE OF 10 PERCENT IN VALUE, AND ONE WITH FIVE PERCENT INCREASE IN VALUE.

AND I BELIEVE CHRIS SAID, WE CAME IN LAST YEAR RIGHT AROUND SEVEN PERCENT OF AN INCREASE.

BUT WE KNOW THAT AND THAT IS PICKING UP AND THAT THERE ALSO IS AN ENERGY COMPANY THAT SHOULD BE COMING ONTO THE ROLLS IN THIS NEXT YEAR.

AND THEIR PROJECT WAS WE PUT 20 MILLION.

BUT HE SAID IT'S BEEN BATTED AROUND THAT THAT COULD BE UP AS HIGH AS 30 MILLION.

BUT JUST TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE, WE BACKED THAT DOWN.

SO WE HAVE TWO VALUES THAT WE USED IN OUR PROJECTIONS ONE WITH 10 PERCENT GROWTH AND ONE WITH FIVE PERCENT GROWTH.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE IS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 60 MILLION OR SO IN IN VALUE DIFFERENCE.

SO THEN WE WENT TO THE SIZING OF THE ISSUE AND YOU ALL HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS ON THE LIST. ALL WE DID AT THIS POINT IS PUT TOGETHER WELL, WHAT IF IT WAS 10 MILLION? WHAT IF THAT WAS THE BITE THAT WE TOOK? WHAT WOULD THAT IMPACT? SO WE MADE AN ESTIMATE OF COST OF ISSUANCE.

WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, IN A SENSE, CITY EXPENSES, FINANCIAL ADVISER, BOND COUNCIL RATING FEES, PAYING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, EVERYTHING THAT IT TAKES TO PACKAGE AND GET TOGETHER A SECURITY AND GET IT PUSHED OUT INTO THE MARKET.

THEN UNDERWRITERS DISCOUNT IS FROM WHEN WE PUSH A BOND SECURITY OUT INTO THE MARKET, THE UNDERWRITERS ARE THE FOLKS THAT PURCHASE THE BONDS, AND THEY CHARGE OR BUILD IN A FEE INTO THE INTEREST RATE FOR TAKING THAT SECURITY AND SELLING IT TO INVESTORS.

SO THOSE WE TRIED TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE COSTS INVOLVED.

SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME FROM 10 MILLION TO 10,230,000.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE USED FOR THE SIZING OF OUR ISSUE AND DETERMINING THE DEBT SERVICE.

SO WHAT WE DID THEN WAS WE HAD A FIXED AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SELL AND WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE TERM GOING TO BE.

30 YEARS IS ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT BECAUSE AS CHRIS HILL POINTED OUT, THE MAJORITY OF THIS THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR NOW IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A FACILITY, A BUILDING THAT WILL BE IN USE WE WOULD EXPECT FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS AND BEYOND THAT.

IT MAY NOT HOUSE THE SAME INITIAL DEPARTMENTS THAT ENTER INTO IT ON DAY ONE BUT OVER THE COURSE OF 30 YEARS, IT WOULD STILL BE A BUILDING BEING IN USE FOR SOME TYPE OF CITY PURPOSE. AND AS WELL THEN IF THERE WERE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, PARK IMPROVEMENTS TYPICALLY ARE LONG TERM INVESTMENT.

SO WE DID ONE AT 30 YEARS.

WE BACKED IT DOWN TO 25 AND THEN 20 YEARS, AND WE RAN TWO SCHEDULES FOR EACH ONE WITH THE 10 PERCENT GROWTH AND ONE WITH FIVE PERCENT GROWTH.

SO IF YOU'LL TURN THE PAGE, I'LL RUN YOU THROUGH THIS CASH FLOW REAL QUICK.

THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. THERE ARE SIX OF THEM ALL.

WHICH PAGE ARE WE ON JOE? I'M SORRY. WHICH PAGE ARE WE ON? WE ARE NOW ON THIS PAGE.

ALL RIGHT. OK.

ONE MORE AFTER THIS.

THERE WE GO. PAGE 106 IN THE PACKET.

THANK YOU. AND IT'S LARGE ENOUGH THAT I'M SORRY, NOBODY CAN READ THAT.

THOSE ARE SOME SMALL NUMBERS, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE PRINTED OUT ON A PAGE IN FRONT OF ME.

OUR TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE, YOU'LL SEE, IS ON THE FAR LEFT HAND SIDE, RIGHT NEXT TO THE FISCAL YEAR.

AND WE START WITH ONE BILLION, TWO HUNDRED AND FIVE THOUSAND, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SET YOUR TAX RATE ON THE CERTIFIED VALUE FROM BRAZORIA COUNTY AS YOU ENTERED INTO YOUR BUDGET SEASON. WE HAVE YOUR EXISTING NET TAX SUPPORTED DEBT COMING NEXT.

YOU'RE CURRENTLY AT NINE HUNDRED THIRTEEN, NINE HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN THOUSAND.

IT REMAINS LIKE THAT THROUGH 2024, AND THEN YOU HAVE A DROP OF ABOUT NINETY FIVE THOUSAND OR SO AND CONTINUE TO STEP DOWN AS YOU GO THROUGH THE YEARS, EVENTUALLY PAYING OFF ALL OF

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YOUR EXISTING TAX DEBT BY 2038 OR IN 2038.

WE THEN ADDED THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND ISSUE SERIES 2022 AND WHAT WE DID BECAUSE WE KNOW INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP.

WE TOOK RATES AS OF FEBRUARY 2ND AND WE ADDED 50 BASIS POINTS TO THEM.

NOW WE HAVE HAD IN LATE JANUARY, WE HAD A SPAN THERE OF TWO WEEKS WHERE RATES WENT UP BY ABOUT 25 BASIS POINTS.

SINCE THEN, WE'VE HAD SOME BITES COME UP.

THE LAST WEEK HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT CALM.

I ACTUALLY EXPECTED THAT TODAY WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE UKRAINE THAT WE MAY SEE A POP IN RATES. WE DIDN'T SEE THAT.

WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT ON THE FRONT END OF THE CURVE.

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS SIGNALED ENOUGH, BUT WE'LL SEE IN THE COMING DAYS HOW THE MARKETS REACT TO INTERNATIONAL EVENTS.

BUT ALL IN ALL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CURRENTLY WITHIN WELL WITHIN OUR 50 BASIS POINT CUSHION THAT WE BUILT IN.

SO THAT BEING SAID, YOUR PAYMENTS ON 30 YEAR DEBT WOULD BE ROUGHLY 540,000 FOR 10 MILLION.

AND IF YOU MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE, THEN WE COME UP WITH YOUR TOTAL NET NEW DEBT. WE ONLY HAVE THE SINGLE ISSUE, SO IT'S THE SAME AS THE SERIES 2022.

THEN WE ADD IT TO YOUR EXISTING DEBT SERVICE SO YOU CAN SEE WE MOVE UP TO ABOUT ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND FOR TWO YEARS.

AND IN THIS FIRST PAGE, WE'RE USING THE AV GROWTH AT 10 PERCENT.

SO THAT WOULD DRIVE A TAX RATE FOR THAT YEAR, UP FROM JUST OVER SEVEN CENTS TO ABOUT 11 PENNIES, RIGHT? SO ABOUT A FOUR PENNY INCREASE.

WHEN I CALCULATE IT OUT, IT'S ACTUALLY THREE POINT SIX CENTS.

AND THEN IT STARTS TO FALL.

IT DROPS BY APPROXIMATELY A PENNY A YEAR.

AND WITH THE PROJECTED GROWTH BECAUSE WE KEPT THE PROJECTED GROWTH THERE AT 10 PERCENT GOING FORWARD FOR FIVE YEARS AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND THAT WOULD HAVE YOUR YOUR TAX RATE BACK IN LINE WITH WITH THE CURRENT RATE IN ABOUT FOUR YEARS.

SO THAT IS WHAT YOUR DEBT LOOKS LIKE WITH A 30 YEAR BOND ISSUE, WITH THE ACCELERATED GROWTH AT 10 PERCENT, IF GROWTH CAME IN AT FIVE PERCENT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SLOT TO BE THINKING ABOUT ON THE NEXT PAGE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT RAISES THAT TAX RATE UP TO 11 AND A HALF CENTS FOR 2023 DEBT SERVICE.

ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL IN THE ANALYSIS ONLY CHANGE IS THE ASSESSED VALUATION, AND THAT WOULD BE JUST OVER A FOUR PENNY INCREASE, 4.1.

AND AGAIN, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO 2027 WITH GROWTH, YOU'RE BELOW WHAT YOUR TAX RATE WAS.

SO WE GO THROUGH THIS SAME ANALYSIS NOW BY SHORTENING THE TERM OF THE DEBT FROM 30 YEARS TO 25 AND THEN TO 20.

AND OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE UP YOUR DEBT SERVICE, WHICH MEANS THAT INITIAL IMPACT ON YOUR TAX RATE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

SO FOR TWENTY FIVE YEAR DEBT AT 30 YEARS AND THE 10 PERCENT GROWTH RATE, YOU GO UP TO 11 .4 CENTS, WHICH AGAIN IS ABOUT THE SAME AS THE 30 YEAR ON THE FIVE PERCENT GROWTH RATE.

IT IS JUST AT FOUR PENNIES ON YOUR TAX RATE.

IF WE DO THE SAME AND LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE ON 25 YEAR DEBT WITH ONLY A FIVE PERCENT GROWTH RATE THAT PUSHES THE TAX RATE UP TO JUST UNDER TWELVE PENNIES, OR ABOUT 4.6 CENTS.

AND THEN FINALLY, IF YOU WERE TO SELL TWENTY YEAR DEBT, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT 4.7 PENNIES ON 20 YEAR DEBT, WITH 10 PERCENT INCREASE IN ABOUT A NICKEL INCREASE ON THE TAX RATE INITIALLY, RIGHT? ONCE YOU GET THROUGH THE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OF GROWTH, IT WORKS ITS WAY BACK DOWN IN ALL

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OF THE SCENARIOS.

BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT POP IN THE TAX RATE OF ABOUT A NICKEL ON A 20 YEAR WITH A FIVE PERCENT GROWTH RATE.

SO THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME BUSY SCHEDULES TO LOOK THROUGH.

BUT WE WE THINK GIVING THE 50 BASIS POINT CUSHION IS PROBABLY ENOUGH IF WE ARE MOVING FAIRLY QUICKLY WITH THE THOUGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE INTEREST RATES POP.

AND WE HAVE HEARD AT SOME PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING THAT THE FED MAY COME OUT AND DO A 50 BASIS POINT HIKE, RIGHT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TRY AND GAIN CONTROL.

IF THEY DO 25 BASIS POINTS QUARTERLY WE WOULD EXPECT THE MARCH MEETING TO HAVE ONE THE JUNE MEETING TO HAVE ONE AND SEPTEMBER AND THEN AGAIN IN DECEMBER.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE TYPE OF ACTIONS THAT THEY HAVE DONE BEFORE, BUT THEY'RE INDEPENDENT BODY AND THEY WILL DO WHAT THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS FEEL IS THE CORRECT THING FOR THE ECONOMY AND TO REIN IN INFLATION.

NOW, WITH THAT, THE PROCESS OF SELLING CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE HAVE A PUBLICATION THAT WE DO.

WE START THE LEGAL PROCESS WITH A NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE.

AND ONCE YOU TAKE ACTION ON THAT, IT THEN GETS PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER.

AND FROM ITS FIRST PUBLICATION DATE, IT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED ON THE SAME DAY IN TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS.

FROM THE FIRST DATE OF PUBLICATION WE HAVE TO WAIT 45 DAYS BEFORE WE CAN ACT ON IT SO THAT BASICALLY THE WAY THAT FALLS, IT JUST PUSHES US OUT A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORMAL MEETING CYCLE BEING, I THINK Y'ALL ARE FIRST AND THIRD.

SO IT JUST PUSHES US OUT A LITTLE BIT.

SECOND AND FOURTH? SECOND AND FOURTH.

IT PUSHES US OUT A LITTLE BIT IN BEING ABLE TO.

YOU KNOW, GET THE PUBLICATION AND LET THE 45 DAYS EXPIRE.

SO IF YOU WERE TO DO IT IN MARCH, WE'D BE LOOKING AT A MAY SALE AND THAT'S MOVING FAIRLY QUICKLY IN OUR WORLD OF GETTING BOND DOCUMENTS PREPARED AND THE RATING PROCESS DONE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WE BELIEVE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT.

AND IT REALLY GETS DOWN TO WHAT IS YOUR SCHEDULE THAT WOULD JUST BE IF YOU ALL WERE TO SAY, OK, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AND LET'S GO IN MARCH.

THAT'S ABOUT AS FAST AS WE CAN MOVE.

SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE MARKETS TO, YOU KNOW, OUR ANALYSIS HERE TO BONDS AND THE TIMING ON THAT ANYTHING YOU ALL MAY WANT TO ASK.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. MORROW, COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORROW. HELLO, JOHN, WE HAVE A FEW.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUR CURRENT TAX RATE IS IN M&O I&S ALTOGETHER IS 6.5 331. SO YOU TALK ABOUT A 10 PERCENT VERSUS A FIVE PERCENT INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX VALUE.

WHAT IS OUR HISTORICAL IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS SAY, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE SEEN 10 PERCENT THE LAST TWO YEARS, RIGHT? YOU WERE, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEVEN PERCENT LAST YEAR.

IT'S KIND OF BOUNCED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

BUT LIKE CHRIS AND I WERE DISCUSSING THAT JUST YOU'RE ON THE VERGE OF HITTING 10 PERCENT GROWTH ON AN ANNUALIZED BASIS.

JUST IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE IT COMING WITH THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN GETTING THINGS IN LINE.

THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING UTILITIES IN THE GROUND AND LOTS ARE GOING TO BE SPRINGING UP OUT OF THE GROUND HERE RAPIDLY.

RIGHT. IN A NUMBER OF THEM. SO WHILE WE MAY NOT HIT THE 10 PERCENT THIS YEAR, WE THINK IN FUTURE YEARS THAT YOU WILL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA BY THE TIME WE GET TO MAY IS ABOUT WHEN CENTRAL

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APPRAISAL DISTRICT HERE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY WILL START TO SEND OUT YOUR PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES OF VALUE, WHICH IS BEFORE EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO PROTEST, RIGHT? BECAUSE. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE SEE IN RAPIDLY GROWING COUNTIES IS YOU START TO GET A LOT OF THE INCREASES IN LAND VALUE, RIGHT? JUST THAT LEADS TO PROTESTS AND CERTAINLY AS IT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE MEETING TONIGHT, LAND IS SELLING AT A PREMIUM HERE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

SURE. WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE JUMP IN THE I&S RATE THAT FIRST YEAR JUMP.

THAT MEANS TO DO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY EVERY YEAR IS NO NEW REVENUE. YOU'VE GOT TO CUT M&O BY FOUR CENTS.

THAT IS A DAUNTING TASK WITH THE GROWTH AND ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

SO 10 MILLION ON 30 YEARS.

I THINK WHAT YOU PUT IN HERE AT AN ESTIMATE, I WOULD SAY THE CONSERVATIVE MODEL SHOULD BE THE FIVE PERCENT I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO THE AGGRESSIVE ROUTE.

IF WE GET IT, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT FOR MODELING, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY GO WITH THE CONSERVATIVE FIVE PERCENT.

THE 50 BASIS POINTS, I THINK, IS PRETTY GOOD CUSHION IN THERE.

BUT IT DOES CONCERN ME BECAUSE THE CITY OF ANGLETON OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, IF YOU LOOK AT US COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, WE REALLY HISTORICALLY FALL WELL BELOW THE THE NORMAL I&S RATE THAT THE OTHER CITIES HAVE BEEN DOING, ESPECIALLY THE LARGER GROWTH CITIES.

THEY'RE OVER 10 CENTS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

AND WE'VE BEEN UNDER 10 OR SEVEN CENTS NOW ON THE I&S RATE.

BUT TO DO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE KEEP THAT IN MIND UNLESS YOU'RE PREPARED TO RAISE TAXES. YOU'VE GOT TO CUT IT FOUR CENTS ON THE M&O SIDE.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME WHEN I LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE AND DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO DO THE TWENTY FIVE YEAR.

I AGREE WITH THE PREMISE THAT CHRIS HAD THAT IF WE'RE DOING BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE A LONGER LIFESPAN. 30 YEARS IS PROBABLY ADEQUATE, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE'RE ABOUT THREE YEARS AHEAD ON THE GENERAL OBLIGATIONS THAT OF WHERE IF WE WERE TO KEEP IT ABOUT THE SAME AVERAGE RATE.

WHICH IS WHAT? YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO HIT WAS WHEN CERTAIN DEBT FELL OFF, WE ISSUE NEW DEBT.

THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE FEW TIMES WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED MORE DEBT TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAD BEFORE THE OTHER ONE FELL OFF.

BUT I SELL THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THEY GOT TO GET OUT OF THAT BUILDING.

SO I MEAN, I'M PREPARED TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT SIDE.

BUT TO WHAT DOLLAR VALUE, I GUESS, IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, JOHN. ANYBODY ELSE? GO AHEAD, CHRIS. SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS HERE, WE HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALSO AND PARKS AND SO WE CAN TALK ANYTHING YOU WANT ABOVE AND BEYOND IF WE WANT TO SAY THE [INAUDIBLE] FACILITY.

I HAD MORE FOR MR. MORROW. THAT WAS ALL I HAVE FOR HIM.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THOSE COMMENTS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY ACCURATE, RIGHT? I THINK, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE ONLY COUNTERPOINT I WOULD ADD IS Y'ALL ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO A SIGNIFICANT GROWTH PERIOD.

YOU'VE BEEN SLEEPY LITTLE ANGLETON HERE, THE COUNTY SEAT FOR SINCE 1992, AT LEAST.

SURE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE INTO A FAST GROWTH CITY AND THAT'S GOING TO PUT SIGNIFICANT STRAIN ON AND BUDGETARY PRESSURE.

SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HIT A NO NEW REVENUE RATE, IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH BALANCING ACT GOING FORWARD. NOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT, BUT IT WILL REALLY, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT YOU KNOW, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW EVERYTHING COMES TO FIT TOGETHER, AND YOU COULD HAVE IT THAT IN THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GETTING RESIDENTS IN AT A PACE THAT YOUR SALES TAXES ARE LIFTING, HELPING LIFT THE GENERAL FUND UP.

BUT YOU'RE CERTAINLY AT THAT CRUX WHERE WE CAN SEE THE DUST, WE CAN HEAR THE BOARDS BEING NAILED TOGETHER. RIGHT.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST AT THAT POINT WHERE THE VALUE MAY NOT BE HITTING OUR ROLES AS

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QUICKLY AS WE WOULD THINK.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY CAUTIONARY TALE I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH IS GOING TO COME AND IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO KEEP UP WITH.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GET CAUGHT BEHIND THE POWER CURVE, IF YOU LET THINGS GO TOO LONG, THEN YOU'RE SWIMMING UPHILL AND IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT.

THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE IN AND YOU NEED TO REVAMP THAT OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIFE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS EVEN BUILT.

I BOUGHT A 1990 AEROSTAR VAN OVER THERE AND WHEN IT WAS A FORD DEALERSHIP AND IT HAD BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE PRIOR TO THAT.

SO THAT BUILDING'S BEEN OVER THERE.

SO. YOU KNOW, RAISING TAXES IS ALWAYS A VERY DISTASTEFUL THING TO DO. AND I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT, I JUST HONESTLY TELL YOU THAT, BUT.

OH. IT'S LIKE.

LIKE YOUR HOME OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE, IF YOU DON'T TEND TO IT, IT'S GOING TO FALL IN AROUND YOUR SHOULDERS, THEN YOU'RE STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK OUR WHOLE COUNCIL HERE WANTS TO HOLD TAXES DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WE'VE INDICATED THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE.

IT'S IS NOT OUR DESIRE TO RAISE TAXES JUST TO RAISE TAXES.

SO. THAT'S MY HEART.

THANK YOU, CECIL. MARK OR TRAVIS, OK. MY QUESTION IS ON THE ASE.

I THOUGHT THE INITIAL FUND THAT WE WERE BROUGHT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT 5.75 MILLION, NOW WE'RE UP TO 7.5.

I'M ALL FOR THE IDEA OF MAKING A LONG TERM PROJECT, I UNDERSTAND COSTS HAVE PROBABLY CLIMBED, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH COUNCIL.

JUST A FIGURE ON PAPER AND HOW WITHOUT EXPLAINING HOW WE GET HERE.

TO ME IS A LITTLE BIT BACKWARDS.

YOU'RE ASKING US TO BOND OUT MONEY AND THEN TELL US WE'LL MAKE THE PROJECT FIT THE 7.5 MILLION. I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE INVERSE.

I THINK YOU SHOULD BE TELLING US THIS IS WHY WE NEED 7.5 MILLION DOLLARS AND THIS IS THE PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO PRODUCE.

SO BECAUSE THAT'S A LARGE SUM OF MONEY, OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT I'VE SAT HERE IN THIS.

YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS.

I WANT A GOOD PRODUCT, A PRODUCT THAT WILL LAST FOR 40 YEARS.

OK, 30 TO 40 YEARS.

SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMING BACK.

I WANT EXTRA SPACE AVAILABLE SO THAT THERE'S GROWTH AND THERE'S ROOM FOR GROWTH.

I JUST THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO TELL US [INAUDIBLE], BECAUSE MAYBE I'M MISTAKEN, BUT IT'S ALMOST ANOTHER $2 MILLION DOLLARS ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL COST THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.

SO AGAIN, I'M COOL WITH THAT.

JUST EXPLAIN IT TO ME WHY WE NEED THIS EXTRA MONEY.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE FINANCING, THAT'S NOT REALLY MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT I'M LISTENING. SO I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT, AND MARTHA, IF YOU CAN HELP ME OUT A LITTLE BIT HERE. SO WE BROUGHT IN MRV GROUP TO DO A FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE 20 YEAR PLUS WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE FOR THOSE COUPLE DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO WE CAME UP WITH, I THINK THE NUMBER WAS TWENTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

I THINK THE NUMBER WAS THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS CURRENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

AND SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT THERE, AND THERE'S SOME COMPLEXITIES OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE MORE THAN ONE STORY AND ADDITIONAL COST BASED ON THE LIMITATIONS OF THAT.

AND SO WE DID THAT FEASIBILITY TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED THINKING IN THE FUTURE, NOT JUST CURRENT. FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR A COUPLE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS

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FOR CURRENT, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BUILD OUT THAT ENTIRE BUILDING, WE COULD USE IT FOR STORAGE WHILE WE'RE GROWING, BUT WE'RE BUILDING THAT CAPABILITY BECAUSE LIKE AT CITY HALL, WE'RE STUCK.

WE CAN'T BUILD UP, WE CAN'T BUILD OUT, WE CAN'T IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE USING REAL DATA AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOT COST YOU KNOW BASED ON WHAT THE TRUE MARKET IS AND AGAIN, THE FEASIBILITY ABOUT THINKING FOR THE FUTURE ON REQUIREMENTS.

SO I THINK WE'RE THERE AGAIN WE HAD SOME INITIAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN MIND WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT, BUT THE FEASIBILITY TOLD US THAT WE'RE AT SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION.

AND THAT'S WITH CONTINGENCY.

YOU KNOW, AND NOT KNOWING WHAT WHAT THE TIMELINE IS RIGHT NOW, BUT ASSUMING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE PRESS GO AND PUT THINGS INTO MOTION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AIR ARPA MONEY TO THAT WE COULD START WITH DEMO WE CAN HIRE THE I THINK IT'S CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK THROUGH A LOCAL ARCHITECT, WHICH WILL COME UP AT THE NEXT MEETING TO START MOVING THE PROJECT DOWN FOR 18 MONTHS TO 24 MONTHS.

AND IT HAPPENED WHEN I WAS IN ROCKDALE.

YOU KNOW, STEEL WENT THROUGH THE ROOF BECAUSE THERE WERE STEEL TARIFFS AND WE'VE HAD SUPPLY CHAIN SHORTAGES FOR AMI METERS AND LUMBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS I SAY, I DON'T BET PROFESSIONALLY BECAUSE I WOULD LOSE.

BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN AND CAN'T COUNT ON.

WE'VE HAD INFLATION AT SEVEN PERCENT THIS YEAR FOR A LOT OF THINGS, FUEL, SUPPLIES, AND WHATEVER. SO I, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TRYING TO CRYSTAL BALL WHAT THE FUTURE IS THAT WE'RE AT THE BEST GUESSTIMATE RIGHT NOW.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. MARTHA YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO REMIND YOU THAT WHEN WE DID THE PRESENTATION OF THE OPTIONS, IT WAS 6.8 TO 7.5.

THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE SUBMITTED.

THAT HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT, TRAVIS. [INAUDIBLE]IT SCRATCHED THE SURFACE? ALL RIGHT. MARK.

YOU KNOW, LIKE CECIL SAID, THE LAST THING ANY OF US WANT TO DO IS RAISE TAXES.

BUT THIS IS YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A KIND OF A LONG TIME COMING NOT TO SAY THAT WE PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER, BUT YOU KNOW THE THINK OR PREVIOUS BUILDING THAT WAS OCCUPIED WASN'T IN GREAT CONDITION AND KIND OF CAUGHT US BY SURPRISE, AND WE HAD TO MOVE THEM OUT INTO TEMPORARY BUILDINGS, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'VE BEEN FOR THE PAST WHAT YEAR.

I THINK SO.

SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT.

AND AS WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GROWING SO OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES, I.E.

OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GROW AS WELL.

THEIR FACILITIES AND CAPABILITIES ALSO ADDRESSES THAT.

AND I THINK WHAT WAS WITH THE FIVE PERCENT, IT'S FOUR YEARS UNTIL IT DROPS OFF TO WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY AT. I THINK IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A NOT TO SAY THAT RAISING TAXES ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT I THINK IT'S.

PALATABLE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MARK. EVERYBODY'S GOT GREAT POINTS, EVERYBODY'S GOT GREAT DISCUSSION, POINTS THEIR FEELINGS.

EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO LOOK AT THE BEST OPTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE CITY.

WE'VE ALL PRIDED OURSELVES ON HAVING BEING ABLE TO ABILITY TO LOWER OUR TAX RATE.

OUR STAFF WORKS VERY THIN.

MAYBE SOME OF THEIR ASSETS ARE A LITTLE THIN, BUT THIS MAY BE THE TIME, JOHN, THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO WORK MAGIC.

WE'LL HAVE TO WORK MAGIC AND MAKE IT WORK AND GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GET THERE.

BUT I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING TO GET US A NEW FACILITY OVER THERE.

I DO REMEMBER MY PARENTS BUYING A CAR AT [INAUDIBLE] FORD WHEN MR. [INAUDIBLE] HAD IT, SO I REMEMBER THAT FACILITY AND WE'RE ON A TIMELINE TOO WITH THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT'S OVER THERE WE HAVE WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THAT BUILDING OR EXTEND THE CONTRACT TO KEEP THAT FACILITY THAT THAT WE'RE TEMPORARY HOUSING THOSE FOLKS IN.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT TO HEAR FROM THE FIRE CHIEF IN A MINUTE ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH ONE OF THE ONE OF THE APPARATUSES.

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IT'S GOING TO PUT US IN, YOU KNOW, IN A POSITION WHERE THEY WANT TO KEEP ALL THEIR ASSETS AND HAVE GOOD QUALITY ASSETS.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE GROWING.

WE'RE GOING TO MAYBE NEED THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.

SO IT'S GOING BE HARD TO SWALLOW THIS BUDGET YEAR.

WE'VE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS MAKE IT WORK, BUT I APPRECIATE STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, GIVING US WHAT WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW.

I'M WITH YOU, TRAVIS TOO, IT'S HARD TO GET A CHECKBOOK OUT AND WRITE THE CHECK AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT. BUT WE HAVE, WE'RE AT ONE OF THOSE CUSP POINTS THAT WE GET PAID REALLY WELL TO MAKE THE DECISION.

THAT'S A JOKE FOLKS, BUT IT'S TOUGH SITTING UP HERE TRYING TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS GOING TO IMPACT THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.

SO CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TONIGHT? OH I STILL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

AND MORE POINTS TO MAKE ONE.

THIS IS SOMETHING I WARNED US ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO BEFORE WE CHANGED THAT SALES TAX ON THE STREETS. YOU'RE GOING TO BE OBLIGATING THE GENERAL FUND NOW AND TAKING UP THE DEBT SERVICE FROM THE STREETS FOR ALL OF THIS.

SO THERE GOES THE STREET FUND OR THE STREET DEBTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE.

SO BY DOING THIS, YOU CAN'T FIX THESE STREETS.

SO TO ME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BOND THIS 10 MILLION AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS THIS INVESTMENT, I CANNOT SUPPORT A PARK IN THERE AND NOT FIXING A STREET.

AND I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF STREETS TO FIX IN THIS TOWN.

AND WHEN WE MOVED THAT, WE MOVED IT OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR, THAT WAS A PROMISE THAT WE MADE THAT WE WOULD NOT FORGET THE STREETS DURING THAT TIME.

SO TO ME, STREETS HAVE TO BE A PRIORITY.

ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS TAX RAISING.

WE JUST HEARD MIKE GARWOOD STAND UP THERE AND SAY THAT A LOT OF THE SENIORS CAN'T EVEN AFFORD THEIR TAXES, SO THEY'RE DEFERRING IT.

SO YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT THERE SHOULD BE A WAKE UP CALL TO US THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING UP AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GETTING THIS.

WE'RE ALSO SEEING THE GROWTH COMING THROUGH WHICH MIKE OR MIKE, JOE HAS MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE PAID THROUGH THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING THROUGH TO HELP KEEP THAT INS RATE AT THAT LEVEL.

I'M NOT AGAINST GOING OUT AND GETTING THIS MONEY AND DOING THESE INVESTMENTS, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO STAY TO THE NO NEW REVENUE.

I WON'T GO ANY HIGHER THAN NO NEW REVENUE.

I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THAT FOR THESE PEOPLE.

ALL RIGHT THANK YOU, JOHN. SO.

I'M A...GO AHEAD SIR.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED AS WELL.

ANY TIME WE'RE TAKING ON A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A PRIORITY TOWARDS ANY SORT OF WHAT I CONSIDER INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ROADS, DRAINAGE, SEWAGE.

UM I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC WORKS OR THE ASC OR WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT NOW, THIS IS ALMOST A NECESSITY BECAUSE WE'RE JUST PAYING INTO A RENTED FEE OR THERE'S NOTHING BEING ACCOMPLISHED OTHER THAN HOUSING TEMPORARY AT THAT.

UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEWHERE IN THAT IN THIS PROPOSED CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION, PERHAPS A ROAD, PERHAPS SEWAGE, PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DIRECTLY IN THEORY, AFFECT EVERYONE POSITIVELY.

NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG, THE PARK'S NICE, AND WE HAVE SOME NICE ONES AND I LOVE TO SEE US CONTINUE THAT AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THE VISION OF WHAT I'VE SEEN FOR VETERANS PARK IS A GREAT ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT FITS IN THIS [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR.

BACK TO MY QUESTION TO CHRIS, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? YOU KNOW, YOU SAID EARLIER SOME DIRECTION.

I'M ASSUMING THAT FOR SURE IT'S MOVING FORWARD, THE CO AND THEN FINE TUNING WHAT THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE DIRECTED FOR.

SO I, JOE HELP ME OUT, I THINK WE KIND OF NEED TO DESIGNATE SOME TOPICS LIKE THE AOC FACILITY. IF WE WANT TO SAY ROADS, WE SAY ROADS.

IF WE WANT TO SAY FIRE BUILDING, SOME GENERAL CATEGORIES WITH CONTINGENCY SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE AOC, WE DON'T SPEND ALL THAT MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY IN OTHER CATEGORIES. SO.

YOU KNOW, SO YOU COULD SAY AOC ROADS, FIRE, FIRE BUILDING AND IN ANY FUNDS THAT ARE LEFT OVER ARE SPENT ON ROADS.

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AND SO THAT WAY, AND IF WE DON'T SPEND ALL THAT MONEY ON THE AOC, THAT MONEY IS NOT DESIGNATED FOR THE AOC, BUT IT'S DESIGNATED FOR ROADS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, AND STEP ONE IS THE NOTICE OF INTENT.

AND WITH THAT NOTICE, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A CAP THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SELL ANY MORE THAN X DOLLARS.

AND THEN YOU LIST OUT THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD SPEND IT ON.

AND IT'S NOT UNTIL COUNCIL ACTION, WHEN WE GO, YOU KNOW, TO SELL THAT YOU HAVE ASSIGNED, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE GOING TO ISSUE.

FOR INSTANCE, YOU COULD DO A NOTICE OF INTENT FOR 11 MILLION.

SELL SEVEN, BECAUSE YOU TRIM DOWN YOUR YOUR LIST TO WHAT YOU FELT WAS THE RIGHT AMOUNT.

OR WE CAN WAIT TO DO THE NOTICE OF INTENT UNTIL YOU HAVE TRIMMED DOWN THE AMOUNT.

BUT THE NOTICE OF INTENT WILL START THE LEGAL PROCESS, WHICH IS GETTING IT PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER, WHICH CAN TAKE IT TO A FEW DAYS FROM THE DATE THAT YOU APPROVE IT ON A TUESDAY NIGHT.

SO IF IT'S IN THE PAPER THAT FOLLOWING SATURDAY, THAT'S WHEN WE START OUR FORTY FIVE DAY PROCESS AND AT THE END OF THE FORTY FIVE DAYS, THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE FIRST AVAILABLE COUNCIL MEETING TO COME BACK AND SELL THE [INAUDIBLE] SO IT'S WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH IN THE LEGAL PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO GET TO THE POINT TO SELL? SOMETIMES I SEE COUNCILS THAT SAY WE'LL HAVE A WORKSHOP AND, YOU KNOW, COME COME TO TERMS WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE FUNDS TOWARD, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO MORE THAN X SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND IT'S ALL UP TO YOU.

OKAY. CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THESE ITEMS. GO AHEAD, SIR. CHIEF MYERS FIRE DEPARTMENT SUPPORT BUILDING.

WHERE CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND? SURE, SO WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, SO BEHIND STATION ONE, THERE IS A A PAD, IT'S A 40 BY 60 PAD USED TO HAVE A LEAN TO THERE AND OLD LEAN TOO THAT WAS TORE DOWN. SO THERE'S AN OPTION TO PUT A BUILDING THERE.

A SMALLER BUILDING, THREE BAY BUILDING, ONE BAY WOULD BE STORAGE AND THEN THE TWO SMALLER BAYS WOULD ONLY HOLD A SMALLER TRUCK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

[INAUDIBLE] CORRECT [INAUDIBLE] TRUCK OR THE FIVE TONS, RIGHT.

SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT THAT GIVES US MORE ROOM IN THE STATIONS TO PUT THE LARGER TRUCKS. SO STATION ONE CURRENTLY IS BARELY FITTING THE LARGER TRUCKS WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE ENGINE BAYS. IT'S AN OLDER, IT'S AN OLDER STATION.

THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WE'RE GOING OUT AND, YOU KNOW, JUST FINDING OUT THE COST RIGHT NOW.

THE OTHER OPTION IS THE SAME SIZE OF BUILDING, BUT A TALLER BUILDING, AND IT GOES TO THE NORTHWEST OF STATION ONE FACING THE COURTHOUSE.

OK, AND SO THIS IS A THREE BAY BUILDING.

AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR US IS IT GIVES US THREE MORE BAYS, YOU KNOW, SAME BAYS, BUT LARGER BAYS, AND IT ALSO HELPS FOR EXPANSION.

SO IN THAT TIME THAT BUILDING NO LONGER WORKS THAT WE HAVE TO DEMOLISH STATION ONE AND BUILD A NEW ONE, YOU JUST BUILD ON TO THIS FREESTANDING BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE RIGHT, BUILD ONTO THAT BUILDING AND NOW YOU'RE, YOUR BAYS ARE FACING THE COURTHOUSE.

COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO OPTIONS.

IT JUST GOING BY WHAT CONTRACTORS ARE TELLING US.

THE ONLY COST DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE THE CONCRETE, QUITE A BIT OF CONCRETE AND THEN MAGNOLIA THERE.

LEVEL IN THE APRON OFF WITH MAGNOLIA IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THE OTHER THING THAT IT DOES, CHRIS MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE NEXT STEP WITH VOLUNTEERS. AND SO OUR NEXT STEP WITH THE STATION REMODEL.

Y'ALL HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THE BUNK ROOMS, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.

OUR NEXT STEP WITH A VOLUNTEER OR COMBINATION DEPARTMENT IS A COMPENSATED VOLUNTEER DEPARTMENT. AND SO BASICALLY, YOU CAN COMPENSATE A VOLUNTEER A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO WORK A SHIFT. AND SO NOW YOU HAVE A 24 HOUR SHIFT WHERE YOU'VE GOT A CREW OF GUYS THERE ON NIGHTS, THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING FROM HOME.

SO YOU'VE GOT A CREW OF GUYS.

AS SOON AS THE TONE DROPS, THEY'RE IN THE TRUCK AND THEY'RE GOING.

THE REST OF THE VOLUNTEERS ARE COMING FROM HOME.

SO THAT'S OUR NEXT STEP ONCE WE GET DOWN THIS ROAD.

I'LL BE COMING TO Y'ALL FOR BUDGET.

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THAT'S ALREADY, I'VE ALREADY GOT THOSE NUMBERS OUT THERE.

IT'S READY TO GO. SO THAT'S OUR NEXT STEP.

THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU CHIEF.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, WE'VE HEARD KIND OF WHAT WE KIND OF PROPOSED COURSE OF ACTION THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE TONIGHT.

SO WHAT I HEARD JOE MORROW SAYING IS WE REALLY JUST NEED TO SET A DOLLAR AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED AND THEN IF WE WANT COME BACK AND WORKSHOP FURTHER ABOUT WHAT REQUIREMENTS WE WANT TO PUT IN THERE. OK.

I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR JOE.

WHAT IS THE BOND CAPACITY OF THE GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, CAPACITY IS ALWAYS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT GOES BACK TO COUNCIL AND WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO SET A TAX RATE AT BECAUSE YOUR LEGAL LIMIT FAR EXCEEDS YOUR PRACTICAL LIMIT? RIGHT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D PROBABLY SAY YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT FROM LISTENING TO DISCUSSION.

YOU'RE PROBABLY PUSHING YOUR LIMITS RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT. WITH WITH THE 10 MILLION BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE JUST AT THAT AT THAT COMFORT LEVEL, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE LEGAL CAPACITY, WHAT YOU CAN DO FROM A LEGAL BASIS, WHAT YOU CAN DO FROM A CREDIT BASIS EXCEEDS WHAT THE PRACTICAL LIMITS ARE.

SURE. OK, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT COUNCIL.

MY PAGE WENT BLANK. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE CITY TO PURSUE THE ISSUANCE OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES TWENTY TWENTY TWO FOR APPROXIMATELY NOT TO EXCEED 10 MILLION.

I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND THAT. HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, THIS STARTS US MOVING FORWARD WITH FIGURING OUT SHARPENING PENCILS, FIGURING OUT WHAT WE'VE GOT. THIS DOES NOT OBLIGATE US TO ACTUALLY DO ANY OF THIS YET.

YOU KNOW, I WAS CONSIDERING MAYBE BACKING OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE CAN BACK OFF LATER.

RIGHT. OK, BUT JUST A REAL QUICK THOUGHT ON THAT.

I'M SELLING A BOND ISSUE AT 10:15 TOMORROW MORNING.

I FOUND OUT MONDAY NIGHT WHETHER OR NOT THAT GROUP WAS GOING TO INCLUDE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT OR HAVE ME PULL IT.

I WOULDN'T LIKE TO DO THAT AGAIN, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.

THAT'S THE KIND OF FLEXIBILITY THAT THAT WE CAN OFFER.

I THINK YOU JUST VOLUNTEERED TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU, JOE. I THINK WHEN WE GET CLOSER, WE'LL REALLY HAMMER OUT SOME GOOD, HARD PRIORITIES. YES, SIR.

WHAT WE GOT A GOT TO HAVE OK.

TEN FOUR.

ALL RIGHT, ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSE, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, MR. MOORE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON NUMBER 11, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO ALLOW ANGLETON FIRE DEPARTMENT TO

[11. Discussion and possible action to allow Angleton Fire Department to order a new Engine in 2022 to be financed in 2023 Fiscal Year.]

ORDER A NEW FIRE ENGINE IN 2022 TO BE FINANCED IN 2023 FISCAL YEAR.

AH CHIEF GO AHEAD.

SO GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO I COME TO YOU ALL AGAIN TONIGHT WITH A PLANNED BUT YET UNPLANNED ITEM.

SO REAL QUICK, I WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO ASSISTANT CHIEF JON O'BRIEN.

I'VE GOT HIM HERE TO ANSWER THE TECHNICAL MAINTENANCE QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE ON THIS ENGINE THAT I MAY NOT KNOW.

I'M THE NUMBERS GUY.

HE'S THE MAINTENANCE GUY SO.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

IN 2019, PRESENTED TO COUNCIL A TRUCK REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, RIGHT.

IN THAT TRUCK REPLACEMENT PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THESE TRUCKS HERE ENGINE FOUR, LADDER ONE, RESCUE ONE, BRUSH TWO, BRUSH TWO AND TANKER ONE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THOSE NUMBERS THAT PLAN GOT MESSED UP, RIGHT? THAT PLAN GOT WE HAD SOME HURDLES THAT WE HAD TO OVERCOME.

WE HAD SOME MONEY THAT GOT THROWN TO US, THANKFULLY, SO WE HAD TO REPLACE TRUCKS AT A DIFFERENT TIME. SO IN 2019, WE WENT OUT FOR A BOND ELECTION.

WE PURCHASED THE QUINT.

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THIS QUINT WAS A VERSATILE TRUCK THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE OF TWO TRUCKS.

IT WAS GOING TO GIVE US THE OPERABILITY OF A LADDER TRUCK AND A ENGINE.

WE WERE GOING TO GET ISO CREDIT FOR AN ENGINE WITH A BACKUP ISO CREDIT OF A LADDER, RIGHT . SO IF YOU REMEMBER THAT TRUCK, REPLACE THE 1994 ENGINE AND THE 1988 LADDER, 1994 ENGINE, THE FRAME WAS RUSTED APART.

WE HAD TO RE-WELL THE FRAME TOGETHER.

1988 LADDER NO LONGER PAST THE PUMP TEST AND LADDER TESTING, AS YOU COULD IMAGINE, RIGHT . SO THAT TRUCK IS IN SERVICE, PURCHASED AND ROLLING DOWN THE STREET RIGHT NOW.

SO NEXT, RIGHT AFTER WE ORDERED THAT TRUCK, WE WERE NOTIFIED BY TEXAS FORESTRY SERVICE THAT, HEY, YOU RECEIVED TEXAS FORESTER GRANT FOR A LARGE BRUSH TRUCK AND THIS GRANT WAS PUT IN 2015.

WE REALLY DIDN'T, IT WAS A GRANT THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT WE HAD APPLIED FOR.

AND SO THIS GRANT CAME AND IT WAS A SURPRISE.

IT WAS LIKE, HEY, HERE'S A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR Y'ALL TO PURCHASE A TRUCK.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED TO PURCHASE A TRUCK, AND WE HAD TO USE THAT GRANT BY OCTOBER OF THAT YEAR RIGHT.

SO WHAT THE DEPARTMENT DID, THE ASSOCIATION WENT OUT AND PUT SOME MONEY DOWN ON A TRUCK AND FINANCED THE REST OF THAT TRUCK.

WE DON'T HAVE THE NEED FOR A LARGE BRUSH TRUCK.

SO TEXAS FORESTRY SERVICE HAS CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE TRUCK HAS TO MEET IN ORDER TO MEET THAT GRANT. THIS TRUCK MEANT THAT THOSE NEEDS AND SO THE ASSOCIATION FINANCED THAT TRUCK AT NO COST TO THE CITY, JUST ON DONATION FUNDS THAT WE GET THROUGH THE CITIZENS.

AND SO THAT TRUCK WAS GOING TO REPLACE THE TRUCK ON THE LEFT, THERE ARE ENGINE THREE, WHICH IS A 2003 TRUCK.

AND THE REASON I BRING THAT TRUCK UP AND ON THAT PICTURE IS WE DID NOT GET RID OF THAT TRUCK BECAUSE SHORTLY AFTER WE RECEIVED THIS TRUCK, WE STARTED SEEING THE ISSUES WITH THE TRUCK THAT I'M FIXING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO THAT TRUCK THEN BECAME A BACKUP TRUCK.

WE COULD NOT GET RID OF OLD FAITHFUL OVER THERE.

SO MOVE ON. ALL RIGHT, SO ENGINE TWO, ENGINE TWO IS A 2009 PIERCE.

CURRENTLY, IT'S GOT THIRTY THREE THOUSAND MILES.

IT'S GOT THIRTY THREE HUNDRED HOURS.

YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MILES, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF HOURS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE AGE OF THE TRUCKS, SO CURRENTLY THE SUGGESTED AGE ON A FIRE ENGINE IS 12 TO 15 YEARS.

OK, SO SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

WE ORDERED THAT TRUCK IN 2008.

THAT TRUCK WAS ALSO PURCHASED THROUGH THE TEXAS FORESTRY SERVICE.

THAT TRUCK WAS SAME TYPE OF GRANT OR ACTUALLY WAS PURCHASED ON A TANKER GRANT IS WHAT THAT TRUCK MET.

SO I JUST PUT THERE, YOU KNOW, ITS CAPABILITIES.

IT DOES HAVE FOAM AND CAFS, IT'S A THOUSAND GALLONS, IT'S 1250 PUMP.

BUT THE BIGGEST THING [INAUDIBLE] THE MOTOR WAS REBUILT IN 2017.

OK, SO SIX YEARS AND THAT MOTOR WAS REBUILT RIGHT.

SEVEN YEARS, I'M SORRY. MOTOR WAS REBUILT, SINCE THAT MOTOR WAS REBUILT YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES LATER, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN 2017, THERE WAS A LARGE MAINTENANCE COST AND THE MAINTENANCE COST WENT DOWN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN YOU'LL START SEEING IT AGAIN CLIMBING.

LAST TWO YEARS, WE REPLACED THE INJECTOR PUMP.

WE REPLACED ALL INJECTORS ALREADY THIS YEAR AND NOW WE'RE SEEING MOTOR PROBLEMS WITH THIS TRUCK AGAIN. THE ENGINE IS CURRENTLY KNOCKING.

IT'S BEEN IN THE SHOP FOR A LITTLE OVER A MONTH THIS YEAR ALREADY.

AND SO THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS GO BACK TO OLD FAITHFUL WITH ENGINE THREE, ENGINE THREE WE COULD NOT GET RID OF BECAUSE THAT TURNED NOW TURNED INTO OUR BACKUP TRUCK WHEN THIS TRUCK WAS IN THE SHOP.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT TAKES OUT IF YOU REMEMBER ENGINE FOUR WE ORDERED WITH FOAM, WE DID NOT ORDER WITH CAFS.

AND SO THAT'S A CAPABILITY THAT ENGINE FOUR DOESN'T HAVE.

IT'S A CAPABILITY THAT ISO SAYS WE WILL HAVE IN OUR FLEET.

IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE THEM FOR EVERY TRUCK.

IT REQUIRES THAT IN YOUR FLEET, YOU WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE BASED ON SERVICE AREA AND ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS THAT HAS ALL OF THAT THAT ISO SAYS WE HAVE. WHEN WE LOSE THIS TRUCK, WE LOSE THAT CAPABILITY.

SO WE LOSE FOAM, WE LOSE CAFS, WE LOSE WATER CAPACITY, WE LOSE PUMP CAPACITY.

OK, NOW THE TRUCK IS OLD FAITHFUL.

THE REASON ITS OLD FAITHFUL, YOU CAN PULL UP MAINTENANCE COST ON THAT TRUCK.

IT'S NOT THE SAME TRUCK.

IT DOESN'T HAVE THE COMPUTERS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THESE NEW TRUCKS HAVE.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE THE MAINTENANCE COST ON THAT 2003 TRUCK.

ALL RIGHT SO JUST REAL QUICK, THAT'S A LITTLE SMALL,

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I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS, BUT REAL QUICK, IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT SHOULD BE ON YOUR COMPUTER AS WELL.

JUST LOOKING AT 2021 FOR INSTANCE, WE SPENT A LITTLE OVER THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS MAINTAINING THIS TRUCK.

WE'RE ALREADY AT ABOUT I THINK WE'RE AT $8500 THIS YEAR, MAINTAINING THIS TRUCK.

SO WE'RE ALMOST AT THAT THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE'RE IN FEBRUARY RIGHT.

SO THIS TRUCK CONTINUES TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY, AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE MOTOR. SO THE MOTOR COULD FAIL ON US TODAY.

THEY CAN'T TELL US WE'VE DONE OIL SAMPLES WE'VE DONE, WE LOOK FOR METAL SHAVINGS, WE'VE DONE ALL THIS. ALL THE MECHANICS CAN TELL US IS HEY WE CHANGE THE INJECTOR PUMP CHANGE ALL THE INJECTORS. WE JUST KEEP THROWING MONEY AT THIS TRUCK.

SO WHAT WORRIES ME IS THIS TRUCK IS GOING TO FAIL.

WE'RE GOING TO BLOW A MOTOR, WHATEVER.

AND THEN WE'RE AT THAT TRUCK WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ANOTHER 20000 OR TWENTY FIVE, WHATEVER IT COSTS, HE CAN PROBABLY HELP US WITH THAT ON A NEW MOTOR.

ALSO, I'LL ASK HIM TO TALK A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.

THE TYPE OF MOTOR THAT'S IN THIS TRUCK IS A KNOWN MAINTENANCE HOG MOTOR.

IT'S A MOTOR THAT IS CONTINUOUSLY FAILING ON 18 WHEELERS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, RIGHT.

SO OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S JUST SHY OF SIXTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE'VE PUT INTO THIS TRUCK MAINTAINING THIS TRUCK.

SO WHY AM I STANDING HERE? SO I KNOW THAT WE PURCHASED THE TRUCK OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

WE PURCHASED A TRUCK A YEAR.

IT'S UNHEARD OF.

WE HAVEN'T DONE IT AS AS A CITY.

WE HAVEN'T DONE IT SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT IT WAS DONE BY LUCK.

WE TOOK REALLY GOOD CARE OF OUR OF OUR UNITS AND THEY LAST A REALLY LONG TIME.

THAT UNIT WAS A 96 FIRE ENGINE THAT WE FINALLY GOT RID OF.

THE 1988 FIRE ENGINE, I MEAN THAT'S A LOT OF YEARS GUYS.

SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ENGINE ONE.

ENGINE ONE IS CURRENTLY FINANCED.

THE CITY HAS A LOAN THROUGH A LOCAL BANK FOR ENGINE ONE.

THAT LOAN WAS SET TO BE PAID FOR IN 2024.

OK, HERE RECENTLY, WE HAD SOME MONEY LEFT OVER FROM PAST BUDGETS, ESD BUDGETS, OH, AND I ALSO HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT LOAN IS PAID FOR IT THROUGH THE REVENUE FROM THE ESD CONTRACT, IT'S NOT PAID FOR THROUGH YOUR GENERAL FUND.

OK, SO WE CURRENTLY HAD SOME ESD OVERAGE.

YOU REMEMBER, Y'ALL HEARD ME TALK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] AND I'VE ASKED FOR ESD FUND BALANCE.

THOSE ARE FUNDS THAT WE NECESSARILY DIDN'T SPEND OUT OF ALL OF THE ESD FUND.

AND SO WE CURRENT, WE ALWAYS SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

WE ALWAYS PUT SOME MONEY BACK FOR A NEW ENGINE AND WE TRY TO KEEP SAVING THAT.

HOWEVER, WE KEEP SPENDING IT ON UNPLANNED ITEMS, BUT WE DID HAVE SOME LEFTOVER MONEY, AND WE FOUND A WAY THAT I CAN PAY THIS ENGINE OFF THIS YEAR IN 2022.

I BELIEVE WE OWE ABOUT 138000 DOLLARS ON THAT ENGINE.

IT'LL BE PAID OFF WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.

SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US? CURRENTLY ESD, I HAVE IT BUDGETED FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS AT LEAST TO PAY THIS PAYMENT ON THIS LOAN. OK, SO IF WE GET THE APPROVAL TO GO AND ORDER A TRUCK A YEAR IN ADVANCE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ORDER THIS TRUCK IN 2023 ANYWAY, GET THE APPROVAL TO ORDER THE TRUCK AND THEN WE GO OUT FOR A LOAN NEXT PHYSICAL BUDGET YEAR.

WE'RE STILL PAYING THE LOAN WITH THE ESD MONEY, IT JUST ROLLS OVER WITH THAT ESD MONEY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY 72000-73000 DOLLARS A YEAR, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE PAYMENT IS.

WHAT DOES IT DO FOR US? I MEAN, YOU'LL SEE IT THERE.

IT REPLACES ENGINE TWO.

WE JUST CURRENTLY REPLACED A LOT OF OUR FIRE EQUIPMENT.

THE LAST BOMB WHEN WE BOUGHT THE QUINT, IT WAS FOR THE QUINT AND TO REPLACE SOME EQUIPMENT. THANKFULLY, THAT REALLY SET US UP FOR MANY YEARS ON EQUIPMENT, SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO REPLACE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT ON THIS TRUCK.

THIS TRUCK WILL BE WE'LL TAKE THE EQUIPMENT OFF OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE ENGINE TWO, PUT IT ON THE NEW ENGINE.

GETS RID OF THESE MAINTENANCE COSTS.

IT INCREASES THE RELIABILITY.

AND THEN ALSO THE BIGGEST THING IS THE GUYS WILL TRUST THE TRUCK AGAIN.

I'VE GOT GUYS THAT ARE JUMPING IN THAT 2003 TRUCK BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE ENGINE TWO ON A FIRE, AND THAT'S A BAD DEAL.

AND WHEN THEY DON'T TRUST THE THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE SETTING IN AND THAT TRUCK IS

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ACTUALLY IT STAYS OVER AT STATION THREE, AND SO IT PUTS THIS NEW ENGINE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN AS WELL.

SO THAT'S SOME OF THE BENEFITS THERE.

AND THEN SO MY LAST SLIDE, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF THROW OUT THERE WHAT OUR FUTURE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE, SO RESCUE ONE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THE TRUCK THAT WE WERE GOING TO REPLACE WHEN THIS LOAN WENT AWAY.

SO IN 2023-2024, WE WERE GOING TO PURCHASE A NEW RESCUE TRUCK, THAT IS ANOTHER OLDER TRUCK IN OUR FLEET.

HOWEVER, THAT TRUCK DOESN'T HAVE A PUMP, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE COMPUTERS, IT DOESN'T HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THESE OTHER TRUCKS HAVE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS ON THIS TRUCK.

THAT TRUCK WOULD BE REPLACED 100 PERCENT DUE TO AGE SO.

HOW OLD IS IT? IT IS A 2005, 2003, IT'S 2003.

SO THAT TRUCK STILL FITS OUR NEEDS.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOT IT PACKED DOWN FULL WITH TOOLS.

THE NEW TRUCKS HAVE LARGER COMPARTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED, YOU KNOW, THREE TO FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME.

BASICALLY, WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M SWAPPING RESCUE TRUCK WITH THE ENGINE TRUCK AND TRYING TO GET THIS ENGINE TWO REPLACED.

WE'RE ADDING OUR COMMAND UNITS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO ADD OUR COMMAND UNITS TO THE ENTERPRISE FLEET PROGRAM WITH THE CITY.

A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN ALL OF THIS STARTED.

THEY LOOKED AT OUR UNITS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD LOW MILEAGE.

MY UNIT WAS NEW, SO IT WASN'T THE TIME TO ADD IT.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT NOW, LOOKING AT THE DATA TO SEE IF NOW IS THE TIME TO ADD THESE COMMAND UNITS.

BRUSH TWO AND BRUSH THREE.

THOSE ARE OLDER UNITS AS WELL.

WHAT THOSE UNITS ARE, THEY USED TO BE OLD COMMAND UNITS THAT WE WOULD RETIRE AND THROW INTO A BRUSH TRUCK BECAUSE YOU JUST BRUSH TRUCKS JUST GET TORE UP.

THERE'S NO REASON TO SPEND.

THERE'S DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE SPENDING A 100000-150000 DOLLARS ON A BRUSH TRUCK TO DRIVE IT THROUGH THE WOODS. NO REASON FOR THAT.

WE PURCHASE A CHEAPER TRUCK, WE PUT A SKID UNIT IN THE BACK AND WE TEAR IT UP.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE MADE FOR.

THOSE TRUCKS, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ON THOSE TRUCKS.

HOWEVER, THE ASSOCIATION IS WORKING WITH A DEALERSHIP HERE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT ON OUR OWN WITH ASSOCIATION DONATION FUNDS AS WELL.

SO THOSE TRUCKS WILL LIKELY BE FINANCED OR PURCHASED THROUGH THE ASSOCIATION TAKING THAT LOAD OFF OF ESD WHO USUALLY PURCHASES THAT TYPE OF STUFF BECAUSE IT'S USED MORE IN THEIR AREA. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT.

OUR GOAL IS TO GET THAT DONE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR AS WELL AND THEN RESCUE ON, LIKE I SAID, RESCUE ONE WITHIN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS.

THAT TRUCK REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS GETTING REPLACED NEXT SO.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? I DON'T THINK HE MEANT HAVING A CHEAPER TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO TEAR IT UP IN THE WOODS.

[INAUDIBLE] COMMENT.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY PERSONAL VEHICLE WAS OUT ON A GRASS FIRE ONE TIME AND HAD A COUNTY OFFICER ASKED ME, COULD HE BORROW MY MY TRUCK TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIRE BECAUSE THERE WAS A RESIDENCE OVER THERE THAT HE WANTED TO SEE? AND I SAID YEAH, SURE. WELL, I GUESS HE THOUGHT THAT THIS TRUCK WAS A DEPARTMENT TRUCK, AND HE DROVE MY PERSONAL TRUCK THROUGH THE WOODS THROUGH, I MEAN, SCRATCHED IT.

IT WAS HORRIBLE. BUT YEAH.

SO WE'LL BRING THE ENTERPRISE FLEET TO YOU ALL NEXT MONTH TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE PROGRAM IS GOING AND HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO ADD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES TO THAT PROGRAM.

YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? YES, GO AHEAD.

SO IF YOU DO THIS AND YOU PAY IT OFF EARLY ON ENGINE ONE, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE ENGINE THREE AROUND. YES.

EVEN IF TAKING POSSESSION OF A NEW ONE.

THAT IS CORRECT, AND SO I DO NOT WANT TO GET RID OF ENGINE THREE BASED ON SOME OTHER NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON WITH ESD CURRENTLY.

IF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS COME TO PASS, THEN ENGINE THREE WILL GO OUT INTO THE RURAL AREA AT THAT STATION FOUR AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO IF YOU DO THIS, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A FUTURE PLAN OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

YOU'RE KIND OF HAVING TO PUSH THAT TO GET THIS ENGINE REPLACED BY PAYING OFF THE LOAN EARLY BECAUSE NORMALLY, IF YOU'D PAID IT OFF ON SCHEDULE IN TWO YEARS AND THE ENGINE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE REPLACED, THE NEXT ONE WAS...

WOULD HAVE BEEN RESCUED.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RESCUE. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THEN HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT? WHAT DO YOU DO TO GET THE RESCUE TRUCK IN TWO YEARS OR THREE?

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WELL, BECAUSE TO GET THE RESCUE TRUCK IN THREE, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS OTHER GRANTS TO APPLY FOR, WHETHER WE GET THOSE GRANTS, YOU KNOW? BUT IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, I REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT BECAUSE WE WERE BASICALLY LOOKING AT REPLACING THAT WITH THIS LOAN.

RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE IT UP.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THE RESCUE TRUCK, WE'RE NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE RESCUE TRUCK OTHER THAN ROOM. WE'RE NOT REAL WORRIED ABOUT IT.

AND A PAINT JOB.

2009 ENGINE TWO IS THAT THE ONE WITH THE CAF SYSTEM? WAS THAT OUR FIRST CAF SYSTEM OR WAS THE ENGINE ONE, THEN TWO? NO ENGINE TWO.

IT WAS ENGINE TWO? IT'S SAD THAT I'M ACTUALLY UP HERE TALKING ABOUT AN ENGINE THAT I SAT HERE IN AND HELP THAT'S FIRST ONE THAT'S COME UP WHERE WE HAD TO RETIRED, THAT WAS SITTING HERE.

THAT'S WHY I SHOOK MY HEAD AND WENT GREAT.

WE WERE ALL PROUD OF THAT ENGINE.

YES, SIR. I THINK WE'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE IN PREVIOUS BUDGET MEETINGS OR SOMETHING. BUT AS FAR AS TYPES, I THINK THE LAST ONE WAS SPARTAN THAT WE BOUGHT.

IS THERE ANY PREFERRED? SO YES AND NO? SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THAT THAT WE ABSOLUTELY DO NOT PREFER JUST BASED ON OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEIR THEIR LUCK WITH THEM.

SPARTAN, WE DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE GUYS.

AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE, THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, WE KNOW THOSE TRUCKS.

SO YEAH, THE QUINT IS A SPARTAN AND AN ENGINE ONE AS WELL.

BUT WHAT WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD STILL GO OUT.

WE'VE STILL GOT TO GO OUT AND GET OUR OUR OUR BEARDS AND ALL OF THAT FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOP THREE OR WHATEVER.

SO YEAH, THAT WOULD STILL YOU GOT SPARTAN E1, PIERCE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY [INAUDIBLE] BUT. GO AHEAD, CHRIS.

WOULD THIS HAVE THE COOL BLACK STRIPE LIKE THE? THAT IS WHAT THE MEMBERSHIP VOTED ON YES.

ENGINE FORD IS A SPARTAN TWO, THOUGH, RIGHT? YES. SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF MOVING TO SPARTAN ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I LIKE SPARTAN. YOU PROBABLY PREFER THE ENGINES THAT THEY PUT IN THE SPARTAN OVER WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. IF I COMMENT ON THAT MOST OF YOUR FIRE TRUCK ENGINES NOW ARE THE CUMMINS.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHOICES OUT THERE.

YOU CAN GET THE PACK R ENGINES, YOU CAN GET A DETROIT, BUT THE PREDOMINANT ENGINE IS CUMMINS. OK, SO WHAT'S AN ENGINE TWO? ENGINE TWO HAS A CAT.

IT'S GOT A CAT C9.

IT IS A SMALL DIESEL MOTOR.

A LOT OF THE RVS HAVE IT.

SMALL, THE BOBTAIL TRUCKS.

YOU CAN'T CONVERT ENGINE TWO TO A CUMMINS ENGINE? THAT'S OK. THAT'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING.

THAT'S. NOT SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TRUCKS, THEY BUILD THE CAB AROUND THE ENGINES OF THESE TRUCKS.

SO EVEN IN THE CAB THAT WE CALL IT THE DOGHOUSE OF THE CAB HAS THE BIG SQUARE THAT'S THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MOTOR IS AT.

AND SO ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED.

AND ALSO THE TRANSMISSION IS NOT GOING TO BOLT UP.

SO YEAH, SURE.

AND TO ANSWER TRAVIS, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY ON THE FIRE SIDE, GET A FEW GRANTS, SO YOU CAN TELL WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD LUCK WITH THE GRANTING GRANT PROCESS OR THE FORESTRY SERVICE.

SO WHAT [INAUDIBLE], CHRIS? THE MOTIONS THAT GO OUT AND FINANCE FIRE TRUCK.

OKAY COUNCIL.

YEAH, SO WHAT WE WOULD DO RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IS YES, WE NEED A MOTION FOR Y'ALL TO ALLOW US TO GO OUT, GET PRICINGS, PLACED THE ORDER ON THE I CAN BRING THE PRICES BACK TO YOU, BUT WE REPLACE THE ORDER AND THEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY FINANCE.

IT WOULD BE UNLESS THERE'S ONE OUT ON THE SHELF SOMEWHERE WHICH THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE, IT'S GOING TO BE 10 MONTHS.

IT'D BE 10 TO 11 MONTHS BEFORE WE TAKE POSSESSION OF THIS TRUCK ANYWAY.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVED THAT WE CONSIDER ALLOWING OR NOT CONSIDER.

I MOVE THAT WE ALLOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ORDER A NEW ENGINE THIS YEAR TO TAKE DELIVERY IN THE 2023 FISCAL BUDGET YEAR AND TO PAY OFF THE ESD LOAN EARLY FOR ENGINE ONE.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED? NO. I'LL SECOND IT.

A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, I LIKE IT WHEN YOU COME WITH A PLAN THAT SAYS THAT YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PAY

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FOR IT. [LAUGHING] THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHTY.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG, ITEM NUMBER 12, PRESENTATION ON ANGLETON CROSSING, A PROPOSED MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT SPANNING APPROXIMATELY 18 WHEN STOP TAKING A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

IF WE DON'T MIND, LET'S TAKE FIVE.

SHOW US TAKING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS FOR 7:57 SHOW US BACK AT THE TABLE AT EIGHT 07 SEVEN. ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER 12, PRESENTATION ON ANGLETON CROSSING, A PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT

[12. Presentation on Angleton Crossing, a proposed multi-family development spanning approximately 18 acres, located at the northwest corner of the FM 523 and Highway 288 Business intersection.]

SPANNING APPROXIMATELY 18 ACRES, LOCATED THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF FM 523 AND HIGHWAY 288 BUSINESS INTERSECTION.

MS. LINDSEY. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS OWNED BY THE LAND ITSELF, IS OWNED BY SUGAR CREEK BAPTIST, AND WE HAVE DAN JANSEN HERE TO EXPLAIN THE PROJECT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LINDSAY, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. APPRECIATE THE TIME TO BE HERE.

AS SHE SAID, I'M THE LONG RANGE PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR SUGAR CREEK BAPTIST CHURCH.

WE'VE HAD A VISION FOR THIS LAND FOR 17 YEARS.

WE'VE HAD IT A LONG TIME.

WE COULD HAVE EASILY SOLD FOR FOUR TRUCK STOPS AND A WHOLE MYRIAD OF OTHER USES.

BUT KIND OF OUR GOAL IN THIS IS REALLY LONG TERM.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO BULK SELL.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO INDIVIDUALLY DEVELOP IT.

WE WANTED TO KIND OF GO MORE METHODICAL AND FROM A MASTER PLAN STANDPOINT WITH DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY. AND SO FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY TWO FOR CHRIS AND LINDSAY AND THE WHOLE STAFF, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION TO THIS POINT.

ALLOW US TO REALLY UNDERSTAND BETTER WHERE WE NEEDED TO GO AND TO ALLOW THIS MEETING TO HAPPEN HERE. AND SO WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTY FOR 17 YEARS AS A DEVELOPER IN SUGAR LAND, FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS, WE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THE FIRST COLONY PROJECT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH FIRST COLONY, BUT IT'S A MASTERPLAN COMMUNITY.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, FROM A DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE IS TO LOOK AT HOW YOU MASTER PLAN. AND A LOT OF THAT MASTER PLAN HAS LED TO MIXED USE.

AND SO MIXED USE TO US IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DO ONE TYPE OF USE THAT BENEFITS ANOTHER TYPE OF USE.

AND THAT SOUNDS VERY ELEMENTARY.

BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT IS IT'S VERY SYMBIOTIC.

I MEAN, IT BASICALLY CREATES THIS ONE BENEFITS THE OTHER.

IT'S IT'S A CONTINUATION OF IT'S NOT JUST ONE SALE, IT'S MULTIPLE SALES THAT ALL TOGETHER AS A WHOLE BENEFIT THE WHOLE.

AND SO WE FOUND THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL WHERE WE ARE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS CAUSED US TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF SUGAR LAND FOR, WELL, 50 YEARS, REALLY.

BUT WHEN WE STARTED OUR PROJECT, WE BOUGHT THE LAND IN 72 AND STARTED DEVELOPMENT IN 79.

SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO WORK WITH CITIES.

WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

AND SO TO US, IT'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S WIN, WIN, WIN.

AND SO OUR GOAL IN THIS IS WE'VE HELD IT FOR 17 YEARS.

WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT NOW? AND SO PART OF IT IS WHO'S COMING TO THE TABLE TO WANT TO BUY OUR PROPERTY? IT'S REALLY MARKET DRIVEN TO US.

WE'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE USES AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THEM AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ALL THESE LAND SALES.

WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY INDICATIVE OF ME AND WHAT ANGLETON, I MEAN, IT'S NOT ME.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY MORE INDICATIVE OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDS AND WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY ARE. SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO DO, TOO, IS IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CORNER.

I MEAN, WE'RE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 523 AT 288 BUSINESS.

AND SO TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF A I DON'T WANT TO I GUESS I WOULD CALL IT A GATEWAY TYPE ENTRANCE INTO THE PROJECT, I MEAN, INTO THE CITY LONG TERM.

AND SO WE VIEW IT AS SUCH.

AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, WELL YOU DO THINGS MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE KIND OF THE GATEWAY INTO THE CITY.

AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST HAVE TO DO AND PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE IT A LOT, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, LIKE POLE MOUNTED SIGNS.

IT'S LIKE HAVING SETBACKS, HAVING LANDSCAPE AROUND A PARKING LOT.

IT'S LIKE THE MATERIALS ON A BUILDING.

IF YOU HAVE FIVE BUILDINGS THAT THEY ALL LOOK BLACK, WHITE, GREEN.

I MEAN, NO, YOU WANT SOME KIND OF A SYMMETRY AND SOME KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL TO IT.

SO IT'S KIND OF AN ATTENTION TO DETAIL.

IT TAKES LONGER TO DO IT.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A SHORT TERM [INAUDIBLE] BEEN HERE 17 YEARS? SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A SHORT TERM PROJECT, BUT GOING FORWARD, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF PICK THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE STANDARDS.

IT'S REAL EASY WITH THE FIRST DEAL.

ONE OF OUR FIRST DEALS IN SUGAR LAND WAS MCDONALD'S, AND SO THEY WANTED THE ARCHES.

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THEY WANTED THE SIGNS, THEY WANT ALL THIS.

WELL, THE PERSON RIGHT AFTER THEM THAT WAS UNDER CONTRACT AFTER MCDONALD'S WAS BURGER KING. AND SO THEY SAID, WELL, YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR MCDONALD'S, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ME DO THIS.

AND SO YOU HAD TO PUT A STANDARD IN PLACE IN DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES THAT SAYS, NO, WE'RE GOING TO TREAT EVERYBODY THE SAME WAY.

SO YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT. IF THE FIRST ONE, THE SECOND ONE AND THIRD ONE AND THEN PEOPLE START BELIEVING THAT REALLY QUALITY IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.

SO THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS TO.

AND WHAT WAS KIND OF RECOMMENDED TO US WAS TO INTRODUCE OUR PROJECT TO YOU FROM A CONCEPTUAL BASIS.

AND SO THE NEXT STEP FOR US IN THAT PROCESS IS ANNEXATION, ZONING, UTILITIES, CAPACITIES AND AVAILABILITY.

SOMEBODY MENTIONED AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AGREEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE TERMINATED.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO DO REGIONAL DETENTION, NOT I CALL THEM MOSQUITO PONDS. AND WHEN YOU DO INDIVIDUAL ATTENTION ON A SITE, IT LOOKS UNSIGHTLY.

WHEN THERE'S NO WATER IN IT, DO YOU MAINTAIN IT? SO REGIONAL IS ALWAYS BETTER BECAUSE IT'S MORE LIKE A WATER FEATURE.

YOU JUST HAVE FREE BOARD IN IT SO IT CAN GATHER WHEN YOU HAVE A RAIN AND SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT, AND LET ME KIND OF JUST FAST FORWARD, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS I JUST TALKED ABOUT. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING WITH THE PROJECT.

AND THE THING ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S CONCEPTUAL.

WE CAN PUT A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER ON THAT, ON THAT BOARD.

AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THOSE WILL ACTUALLY BE THE USES THAT WE USE THAT COME TO US.

BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU WE PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS ANGLETON CROSSING.

AND SO WE HAVE A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE THE ANCHOR FOR US.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT'LL GO AROUND THAT SENIOR LIVING WOULD BE ONE OPPORTUNITY RETAIL PATHS, RESTAURANTS, GAS STATIONS, OFF THE PROFESSIONAL NEWS, WHATEVER.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF A LIST THAT WE'VE MADE, BUT WE CAN'T COMMIT THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK WHEN WE START TELLING YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING IN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TARGETING, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES.

SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS BECAUSE OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER.

THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY STARTS THE PROJECT.

THAT'S THE ANCHOR.

IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF A CONCEPTUAL VIEW OF THE PROJECT, YOU CAN SEE THE CORNER, WHICH IS RIGHT. WOW, THAT'S REALLY WILD.

THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE IS 523 AT 288.

SO THIS IS THE FORTY SEVEN ACRES AND WE ALSO OWNED THIS 12 ACRES OVER HERE.

AND SO THE THOUGHT THERE IS WE HAVE A BIG DETENTION POND IN THE BACK, REGIONAL DETENTION.

THE MULTIFAMILY IS THE RED RECTANGULAR SHAPE.

WE HAVE A ROAD SYSTEM THAT'S KIND OF THE MIDDLE SPINE.

AND THEN ALL ALONG THE FRONT, WE HAVE RETAIL PADS THAT CAN BE SHOPPING CENTERS, ANY OF THAT, THE ITEMS I JUST LISTED.

SO OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE DO IN THE BACK PRETTY MUCH DETERMINES WHAT WE DO IN THE FRONT STARTS. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO, I GUESS, INTRODUCE YOU TO WHAT WOULD BE OUR ANCHOR, WHICH IS A COMPANY CALLED KITTLE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

CARLY GOSS IS HERE TO ACTUALLY PRESENT ON HER PROJECT AND AFTERWARD, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT KIND OF OUR CONCEPTUAL PIECE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. HI, GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS CARLY GOSS.

I AM THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH KITTLE PROPERTY GROUP.

JUST A QUICK INTRODUCTION TO MY COMPANY.

SO WE ARE PRIMARILY A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER.

WE'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR OVER 70 YEARS NOW.

WE'RE A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED COMPANY.

SO OUR DEVELOPMENT DESIGN TEAMS, CONTRACTORS, FINANCE TEAM, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND COMPLIANCE ARE ALL IN HOUSE.

SO WE HANDLE EVERYTHING IN-HOUSE.

WE BUILD OUR OWN COMMUNITIES AND WE ARE A LONG TERM HOLDER.

SO WHEN WE DEVELOP AND BUILD SOMETHING, WE OWN IT FOREVER.

WE HAVE 15 COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS CURRENTLY, WITH ABOUT FOUR MORE IN THE PIPELINE. SO I'VE JUST INCLUDED A MAP HERE THAT KIND OF LISTS OUT ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES.

AND THEN ALSO MAPS THEM OUT.

I DO HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE ON THE SIDE OF SOME OF OUR RECENTLY COMPLETED COMMUNITIES.

A COUPLE OF THEM ARE IN THE MIDWEST, BUT LETTERS B, D AND E ARE ALL IN TEXAS.

AND SO, AS DON MENTIONED, WE'RE PRETTY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE LAND UNDER CONTRACT FOR PURCHASE.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EXPENDED A LOT OF RESOURCES ON THIS PROJECT. WE KIND OF NEED, AS DON SAID, A GREEN LIGHT, I GUESS, FROM COUNCIL OR FROM THE

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CITY THAT YOU'RE CONCEPTUALLY OK WITH THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE WE DO ALL OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND GET OUR REPORTS AND MARKET STUDIES ORDERED AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE AND CREATING A SITE PLAN AND EVERYTHING.

SO WHAT I'VE INCLUDED HERE IS JUST INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT I THINK WILL DO AND WHAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY AND IN SIMILAR COMMUNITIES.

SO WHAT WE BE PROPOSING, SUBJECT TO A MARKET STUDY, YOU KNOW, THAT CONFIRMS ALL OF THIS WOULD BE TWO HUNDRED TO TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY UNITS.

FOR FAMILIES, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS, POTENTIALLY FOUR BEDROOMS, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED CONFIRMATION OF FROM A MARKET STUDY THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTED HERE.

SOME OF THE TYPICAL AMENITIES THAT WE OFFER IN OUR COMMUNITIES IS WE HAVE A CLUBHOUSE THAT HAS A COMMUNITY ROOM FITNESS CENTER, A BUSINESS CENTER WITH COMPUTERS AND PRINTERS.

WE USUALLY INCLUDE ACTIVITY ROOMS, A GAME ROOM.

WE ALWAYS HAVE SWIMMING POOLS IN ALL OF OUR TEXAS PROPERTIES AND OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AREA, WITH GRILLS AND PICNIC TABLES ALONG WITH A PLAYGROUND AND DOG PARK.

SO THOSE ARE THE STANDARD AMENITIES THAT WE OFFER.

YOU KNOW, WE DEPENDING ON THE MARKET AND WHAT COMPARABLE PROPERTIES HAVE, THERE COULD BE MORE AS WELL.

AND THEN WE ALSO OFFER RESIDENT SERVICES TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AT NO ADDITIONAL COSTS.

SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS ON SITE FOOD PANTRIES.

WE'LL DO ANNUAL HEALTH FAIRS.

WE'LL BRING IN LOCAL CHIROPRACTOR OFFICES OR DENTISTS OR WHOEVER IT MAY BE AND HAVE A LITTLE FAIR SET UP IN THE CLUBHOUSE.

AND WE'VE ALSO IN THE PAST DONE PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRST RESPONDERS, AND THAT'S JUST QUARTERLY EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE POLICE OFFICERS OR MEMBERS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COME IN AND WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, PIZZA AND IT'S JUST KIND OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CONNECTIONS WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE ANNUAL INCOME TAX PREPARATION.

AND THEN WE ALSO DO TWICE MONTHLY ARTS AND CRAFTS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT AND THEN TWICE MONTHLY SOCIAL EVENTS ON TOP OF THAT.

AND I'M SORRY, THE TOP TWO IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER, THOSE PICTURES AREN'T SHOWING UP, BUT THESE ARE JUST PICTURES OF OUR STANDARD KIND OF FINISHES AND WHAT OUR UNITS AND COMMON AREA AMENITY SPACES LOOK LIKE.

SO NEXT HERE, THIS IS JUST KIND OF OUR WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH DON'S TEAM AND THE CHURCH ABOUT POTENTIALLY PURCHASING, YOU KNOW, THIS PORTION THAT'S ALL SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATIONS AND FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.

BUT CONCEPTUALLY, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING OUR PORTION BE LOCATED AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES.

AND THEN HERE I'VE INCLUDED AN EXAMPLE SITE PLAN, THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR A COMMUNITY THAT WE JUST STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON IN AUSTIN.

LIKE I SAID, WITH THIS BEING SO EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, WE HAVE NOT EXPENDED RESOURCES ON HAVING AN ARCHITECT PUT TOGETHER A SITE PLAN.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD GET STARTED ON RIGHT AWAY AS SOON AS WE KIND OF GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM THE CITY.

SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE ON MY END, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL MIGHT HAVE.

THE PROPERTY WOULD SIT ON 15 ACRES.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE DETENTION PART.

WELL, DETENTION WISE, WE'RE NOT SURE KIND OF WHERE IT'S GOING TO FALL LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OFFSITE DETENTION.

I WENT TOO FAR, HAVE OFFSITE DETENTION.

WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO REGIONAL DETENTION. I MEAN, WE CAN GO TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.

IF YOU HAVE TWO GALLONS COMING HERE AND THERE'S YOU CAN DETAIN ONE GALLON ABOVE YOU, THEN YOU HAVE A NET ONE COMING.

SO THERE'S IT MIGHT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT ON THIS SIDE OR EVEN SOUTH.

IT CAN ACTUALLY BE NORTH.

WE'VE TRIED SOUTH AND THERE'S REALLY NOT ANY LAND AVAILABLE, BUT WE KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NORTH.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT ANY WAY TO BE CREATIVE WITH TAKING THE DETENTION AND THE DRAINAGE AND CREATING A WATER FEATURE HERE.

AND THIS WOULD ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE ALL THE USES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PROPERTY.

SO THERE'S TO BE ONE DETENTION POND RATHER THAN MULTIPLE.

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YEAH ON A SIDE BY SIDE BASIS.

BUT YOU WERE SAYING YOUR PROPERTY WOULD BE ABOUT 15 ACRES DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHAT'S ON THE MAP WAS 18 ACRES.

SO I WOULD JUST ASSUME YOU HAVE THREE ACRES TO DEAL WITH DETENTION ON THAT SITE.

THAT WAS JUST THE PLAN THAT SHE WROTE 15 I MEAN, LITERALLY, WE'RE REAL EARLY ON.

SO SURE. YEAH.

SEE, I KNEW WE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD 15 ACRES, [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN DO YOU HAVE CORPORATE HOUSING AND SENIOR HOUSING IN ANY OF YOUR DEVELOPMENTS? YEAH, WE DO DO SENIOR HOUSING.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SENIOR COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON IN SAN MARCOS IN MAY. WE DON'T DO CORPORATE HOUSING, THOUGH.

OK. AT THE SENIOR HOUSING, HOW HOW BIG ARE WE TALKING? IN SAN MARCOS? WE'RE DOING TWO HUNDRED AND TEN UNITS.

IS THAT A SPLIT ON A TOTAL BUILDOUT OR ARE WE TALKING THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS SENIOR LIVING ONLY? THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS FIFTY FIVE PLUS.

OK. WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR TO THE MULTIFAMILY, I'M SORRY, I JUST HAD TO SAY IT. CARLY, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO BE THE OWNER THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROPERTY? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. WE ANYTHING THAT WE BUILD, WE HOLD FOREVER.

WE'VE SEEN AROUND HERE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP MAINTAIN A QUALITY PRODUCT.

AS THE OWNERSHIP CHANGES, THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT USUALLY GOES DOWNHILL.

YEAH. YEP.

WHAT'S YOUR OLDEST PROPERTY? OUR OLDEST ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY OR IN TEXAS? ANYWHERE. ANYWHERE.

OH, GIVE ME TEXAS, IF YOU KNOW THAT ONE.

I TEXAS IS PROBABLY I THINK WE STARTED DEVELOPING HERE IN LIKE 2012, BUT WE WE'RE BASED OUT OF THE MIDWEST. SO I MEAN.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU, I MEAN, PROBABLY 50 YEARS OLD.

OK, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SOLD A PROPERTY? THAT WE BUILT? IT'S BEEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REALLY DO THAT.

WE'VE SOLD A LOT OF PROPERTIES OVER THE LAST PROBABLY 10 YEARS, BUT THEY'RE ALL PROPERTIES THAT WE ACQUIRED, WE DIDN'T BUILD THEM.

OKAY. HOW LARGE IS YOUR WINNIE PROJECT, MAGNOLIA STATION? WINNIE IS OH, JUST UNDER 50 UNITS, I BELIEVE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY, BUT IT'S AROUND 50, I BELIEVE.

OK. JUST LOOKING AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY THE SMALLEST TOWN I SEE [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, WE COULDN'T DO A LOT UNITS WISE THERE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL, SMALL COMMUNITY AND THERE WASN'T THE DEMAND.

YOU SAID YOU STILL HAVE TO DO YOUR MARKET STUDY, RIGHT? AND SO HOW DID YOU COME UP TO KNOW ANGLETON? DID SUGAR CREEK REACH OUT TO YOU AND SAY HEY.

NO, OUR BROKER HERE, FRED DUNCAN, I HAD COME ACROSS ONE OF HIS OTHER LISTINGS, AND THEN HE HAD MENTIONED TO ME THIS LAND HERE IN ANGLETON AND ASKED IF WE HAD AN INTEREST AND I SAID, YEAH, SO THAT'S HOW WE CAME ACROSS IT.

OH, SURE.

PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK WANT TO HEAR YOU.

WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES FOR KITTLE PROPERTIES AND FOR CARLY, I LOOK FOR, I THOUGHT WERE UNDERSERVED MARKETS OR MARKETS IN NEED OF HOUSING.

AND I DID SOME RESEARCH DOWN HERE AND LOOKED UP SOME RESEARCH ON INCOME AND RENTS AND KNEW THAT THE GO IN TOWARDS DOW.

IT'S HARD TO GET LAND OVER THERE FOR APARTMENTS.

WHEN YOU GET TO HOUSTON, IT GETS OUT OF SIGHT TOO.

SO THIS IS A NATURAL MESH TO GO.

BOTH WERE GOING TOGETHER AND I FELT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD MARKET FOR THE PRODUCT THAT THEY DO. THERE IN WINNIE, THERE IN BEAUMONT, THEY'RE IN AUSTIN, THEY'RE IN SAN MARCOS AND I CAN NAME A FEW MORE. BUT THIS IS A GOOD MIDDLE MARKET FOR HER TO GET INTO.

SO THAT'S WHY I CAME UP WITH IT.

OKAY. GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY, TOO.

THANK YOU. SO CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AVERAGE RENTS ON A ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM? YEAH.

AGAIN, WITHOUT HAVING TO MARKET STUDIES, EITHER.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PREDICTING.

BUT WHAT I HAVE FOR A ONE BEDROOM AROUND NINE HUNDRED AND FIFTY A MONTH.

TWO BEDROOM ABOUT ELEVEN TWENTY FIVE.

THREE BEDROOM, ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY.

AND THEN IF WE DID FOUR BEDROOM UNITS TO BE AROUND FOURTEEN HUNDRED A MONTH.

THANK YOU. MARTHA, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, DOES THAT SOUND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING

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IN THIS FOR OUR HIGHER END APARTMENTS OVER HERE DO THOSE RING A BELL? SINCE I KNOW WE'VE HAD TO PUT A CITY MANAGER INTO AN APARTMENT LATELY OR IN THE LAST FEW YEARS? YES, IT DOES.

IT'S IN A LINE...

OF THE NEWER, HIGHER END ONES, CORRECT? OF THE PLACE YOU'D WANT TO PUT YOUR CITY MANAGER.

YES.

WITH OUR CURRENT APARTMENTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.

CARLY ARE YOU LOOKING AT UNITS THAT ARE THREE STORY, FOUR STORY? WHAT? UM THREE STORY IS THE MOST WE DO.

PROBABLY SOME TWO STORY BUILDINGS AND THEN THREE STORY OK WOULD BE THE MAX.

RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO LOOK AT IS DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ONLY AT THE MOMENT AND BECAUSE THE REST OF IT'S NOT REALLY DESIGNED YET OR PLATTED AND WE DON'T.

THERE'S NO GUARANTEES OF ANY OF THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.

BUT ALL YOU'RE WANTING RIGHT NOW IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APARTMENTS, RIGHT? SO, SO FOR US, WHEN WE START ON A PROJECT, THERE'S ALL THE WORK OF MASTER PLANNING IT.

AND SO WE CAN'T GET TO THE COMMERCIAL UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING IN THE BACK, WHETHER IT'S THE MULTIFAMILY OR WHETHER IT'S SENIORS OR SOMETHING.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE FRONT UNTIL WE DO THE BACK.

SO THE MONEY THAT WE GET IN THE BACK ACTUALLY IS GOING TO FUND THE UTILITIES AND IT'S GOING TO FUND A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ALLOW US TO START DOING THE COMMERCIAL PADS, SO. CAN I ASK IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT HOTELS? NOT YET. I'M SURE WE'LL GET SOME CALLS, BUT WE JUST WE'RE NOT THAT FAR ALONG YET.

NOW MAYBE SO LARRY [INAUDIBLE] IS THE BROKER THAT REPRESENTS THE CHURCH.

HAVE YOU HAD A CALL FROM A HOTEL YET? NOT YET. AND MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT BRINGS UP A PRETTY VALID POINT THAT WE FEEL I KNOW I FEEL THAT WE LACK IN THAT AREA A MAYBE A CHAIN STYLE HIGHER END TYPE HOTEL, WHETHER IT'S A HYATT, HILTON, HAMPTON SUITES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE, THERE TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, AND WE DO GET A LOT OF TRAVELERS AND VISITORS TO THE COMMUNITY. GRADUATIONS, WEDDINGS AND A LOT OF THEM GO OUTSIDE THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OR THE HIGHER END QUALITY THEY MAY WHAT THEY'RE USED TO STAYING IN.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU MAY LOOK AT IS HOTELS OF THAT NATURE HERE IN THE CITY.

SURE. SO IN OUR PROJECT IN SUGARLAND, WE'VE ACTUALLY DEALT WITH THE WOODBINE GROUP THAT ACTUALLY DOES.

THEY DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT BRANDS AND WE'VE DONE TWO OF THEM.

WE DID A COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT IN THE HYATT PLACE, THEIR FIRST NEW GENERATION 300 ROOM.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME PEOPLE.

SO WHEN WE GET GOING AND WE GET THIS STARTED, THEN THAT'LL BE DEFINITELY A PROSPECT THAT WE'LL GO AFTER. AND IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CALLED YOU, WE LOVE TO TALK TO THEM AS WELL. TALK TO HER.

YES, BUT WE HAVE. THAT'S BEEN A FEEL FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WE HEAR THE TALKS AND THEN IT GOES AWAY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC DIDN'T HELP AND OTHER THINGS, BUT WE DO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME GOOD QUALITY HOTELS, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIKE THE LITTLE HIGHER, THE STEP UP, THE NEXT STEP UP.

YEAH. WELL, I THINK WHEN THEY HEAR THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO THERE, I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY GO AND WHAT'S AROUND THEM.

AND IF WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE PLANNING RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL.

I MEAN, WHY NOT LOCATE THERE? IT'S THAT WHOLE MIXED USE.

I DON'T WANT TO BEAT THAT DEAD HORSE, BUT IT'S JUST THE WHOLE MIXED USE IDEA BRINGS THOSE USES TOGETHER. AND JUST TO [INAUDIBLE] TO CONFERENCE/ CONVENTION CENTER, MAYBE TO, YOU KNOW, WE TOSSED THAT AROUND AS WELL.

[INAUDIBLE] THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER.

BUT HEY, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE CITY HALL THERE, I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE A WHOLE CITY COMPLEX THAT MIGHT BE GOOD.

SO IT IS THE GATEWAY, BY THE WAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW. VERY WELL COULD BE, YOU'RE CORRECT.

OR JOHN PETERSON, FOR THAT MATTER.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT SIX MONTHS AGO, SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP WAS.

THE LIMITED CAPACITY WE HAVE WITH ALL THE HOUSES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PLATED.

WITHOUT I MEAN, THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN AREA THAT REALLY HAS VERY LITTLE RIGHT.

[02:20:01]

BECAUSE IT'S..

THE WATER MAIN ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM THE 523 UP TO CROSSES THAT ROAD UP THERE.

ON THE...ON THE WEST SIDE LONG WEST LINE, IT GOES UP INTO THE INTERMEDICS PROPERTY.

YES. BUT IT JUST ENDS UP THERE.

THEN OUT IN BUSINESS 288.

THERE'S, I THINK A 16 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG THE EAST SIDE.

YEAH, I REMEMBER THE EAST SIDE ON THE WATER LINE ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BENCHMARK, THERE IS A LIFT STATION THERE AND INTERMEDICS.

RIGHT. WELL, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT.

INTERMEDICS ITSELF HAS A LIFT STATION.

IT PUMPS BACK IN TOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN THERE FOR SANITARY SEWER FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. WHERE IS IT GOING TO GO? THAT'S THE THING THAT WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT AND PLAN OUT IS THE SANITARY SEWER.

WATER SHOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT TO GET TO IT.

IT'S THERE IN THAT AREA.

IT'S JUST THE DENSITY LOADING THAT WE'LL NEED TO KNOW.

WE DON'T. ALL WE KNOW IS 18 ACRES RIGHT NOW ARE MULTIFAMILY, SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE DENSITY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THREE STORY AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, FOUR ROOMS VERSUS TWO ROOMS VERSUS ONE ROOM.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE THAT THAT DECISION AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO GO BECAUSE YOU ARE LIMITED BY THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE WILL BE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED UP THERE.

BUT SO IN THE WATER PEACE, WE HAVE THAT CAPACITY.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT COUNTDOWN THE ALL.

YOU KNOW, ONCE ONCE WE HIT A PLANT A, THOSE ARE LOCKED IN, THAT'S LOCKED IN CAPACITY AND WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY WE'RE DONE AT SOME POINT.

BUT THIS IS A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.

AND AS WE TALK ABOUT SHIFTING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL, THAT ADDS THAT PIECE. AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT GATEWAY PROJECT.

I MEAN, WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT AT A MAJOR INTERSECTION IN ANGLETON THAN THAN A NICE PROJECT? CAN I SAY? SO KEEP IN MIND TO THIS THE MULTIFAMILY WON'T OPEN FOR FOUR YEARS.

SO IT DOESN'T CLOSE TILL NEXT YEAR AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT A TOMORROW PROJECT, SO I THINK IT PROVIDES THE TIME FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO MAYBE BRING UTILITIES INCREASED CAPACITY TO DO WHATEVER.

SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME TIME UNTIL IT GETS DEVELOPED.

I MEAN, OPEN, IT WOULD OPEN IN FOUR YEARS.

ALRIGHT, ANYMORE QUESTIONS? IT WOULD BE ABOUT ABOUT FOUR YEARS BEFORE YOU GET A SEWER PLANT UP AND RUNNING TO.

AT MINIMUM, AT LEAST, AND NOW WE'RE ABOUT TO BOND OUR CAPACITY, SO I GUESS THAT'S ON THE GENERAL FUND, I GUESS ON THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GO AFTER, BUT I JUST I REMEMBER US HAVING THAT CONVERSATION THAT, HEY, WE'RE AT CAPACITY NOW, WE CAN'T REALLY ADD MUCH MORE.

AND PUTTING A MULTIFAMILY, THAT'S THE CAPACITY.

THAT'S A LOT OF FLUSHING, A LOT OF BATHS AND SHOWERS AND.

WATER USAGE, IT'S ALL GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

SO ONE OTHER COMMENT TO THE VALUE OF THE MULTIFAMILY IS 40 TO 50 MILLION.

SO, YEAH, SO IT'S A PRETTY SIZABLE MEANING.

YEAH, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME CAPACITY, BUT IT'S ALSO BRINGING A LOT OF VALUE FROM AN [INAUDIBLE] STANDPOINT, TOO SO.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO IN IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS ADDRESS IMPACT FEES AND SO IMPACT FEES BENEFIT THE FUTURE BASED ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS WILL PAY IMPACT FEES THAT WILL HELP IMPROVE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED FOR THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD PROGRAM FOR THAT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THAT SOON. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, THERE'S NO ACTION, NO NO ACTION. SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT.

WHAT ARE YOUR HESITATIONS? WHAT ARE YOUR, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE WE LOVE IT.

LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

WHAT ARE YOUR JUST SOME COMMENTS? WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS FROM YOU ALL.

I LIKE THE PLATING OF THE COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONT SIDE.

I'M STILL I'M UNDECIDED ON THE APARTMENTS, I'M NOT REALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD INTEND THE USAGE FOR THAT TO BE.

I COULD SEE IT BEING, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LOW USAGE ON THE WATER SIDE AND DENSITY.

[02:25:04]

BUT I GUESS I JUST NEED MORE TIME WITH IT TO UNDERSTAND IT.

HOW MANY UNITS YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES INTO IT THAN JUST, YOU KNOW. YES, I'M FULLY SUPPORTING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING. SO.

CHRISTINE. OH, SO YOU GET A THUMBS UP FROM ME, I TO LOOKING FOR I'VE.

I LIKE THE CONCEPT THAT YOU HAVE.

I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO REMAIN THE OWNER.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE FRONT PADS.

[INAUDIBLE] DO YOU THINK THE ROAD ACCESS WILL BE ALONG YOUR BLUE ROAD OR ACCESS IN OFF THE STATE HIGHWAY? WELL, PADS. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT BEING KIND OF THE MAIN ENTRY THERE? AND SO THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL ACCESS THERE AS WELL, AND IT FRONTS 339.

SO YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ACCESS THERE.

AND THEN WE'RE JUST KIND OF COME WITH CIRCULATION.

THERE'LL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF BASED ON TXDOT AND THEIR ACCESS, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A GENERAL CONFIGURATION.

YOU KNOW, I'VE DEALT A BIT WITH TXDOT.

I KNOW HOW HORSEY THEY CAN BE SOMETIMES, BUT I DON'T MEAN TO BE DEROGATORY TOWARDS, BUT THEY ARE PRETTY STRICT, THERE ARE A LOT OF FUN TO WORK WITH, THEY ARE.

MARK TRAVIS, YEAH.

UM, NO, I I LIKE THE IDEA OF WE'VE BEEN PROPOSED A FEW DIFFERENT APARTMENTS AROUND THE CITY. I THINK PROBABLY ALL OF THEM THIS WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE.

THE SLOT, OR MAYBE NOT THE SLOT, BUT OF THEN IT DOES.

I'M ALWAYS FOR MIXED USE.

AND LIKE CECIL SAID, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF YOU BEING THE LONG TERM OWNER? JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE THE TYPE OF REAL ESTATE HERE IN ANGLETON.

THE MORE QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN THE ONES THAT STICK AROUND.

I'LL SAY THAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

GOING TO THE RIGHT, MR. TRAVIS. I DON'T HAVE REALLY MANY THOUGHTS, I.

I'M NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT.

HUH. I DON'T I JUST DON'T GET EXCITED BY APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

SO TEN FOUR, THANK YOU, SIR.

JOHN, YOU DO. I THINK I SAID, OK, LET'S SAY I KEEP BEATING THE DEAD.

NO, WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I LIKE YOUR PROJECT.

I DO LIKE KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.

I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT AS A GATEWAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE OUR FRONT. ONE OF ONE OF OUR COULD BE THREE FRONT DOORS TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR MINDSET AND I LIKE YOUR STATEMENT.

YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING AS WELL IS YOU WANT TO SET THE STANDARD AND HOPEFULLY WE DO IT.

EVERYBODY RIGHT THERE THAT MAKES IT REALLY CURB APPEALING.

AND I LIKE THAT AND LOOKING AT THE APARTMENTS THAT YOU SHOWED, THE EXAMPLES THAT DOES HAVE SOME CURB APPEAL. I DID LIKE SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS, AT LEAST FROM THE OUTSIDE.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU CAN SEE IT TOTALLY FROM THE HIGHWAY, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT I MEAN, I DO LIKE THAT.

SO. AND THEN WE'RE ALL ARTISTS.

WE WANT COMMERCIAL. WE WANT SOMETHING SITTING UP FRONT.

WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? WE DON'T KNOW. BUT MAYBE WITH STAFF AND Y'ALL'S EXPERTISE AND YOUR BROKER, Y'ALL CAN GET THAT GOOD QUALITY COMMERCIAL FOR US, WHETHER IT'S FOR RETAIL OR OFFICE SPACE OR WHATEVER.

WE'RE KIND OF IN NEED OF SOME OF THAT.

SO AND THAT HELPS US WITH YOU, SAID OUR CONVERSATIONS.

THE TAX DOLLARS DOWN THE ROADWAY WAS GOING TO BE VERY CRITICAL FOR US DOWN THE ROAD.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

HOW FAR IS THIS FROM THE OLD INTERMEDICS BUILDING? RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD? THEY ADJOIN PROPERTY LINES, RIGHT? SO WE ACTUALLY OWNED ALL THAT LAND AND SOLD IT TO A GROUP THAT ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THAT.

SO IT'S I MEAN, IT'S JUST LITERALLY JUST UP THE ROAD.

LIKE THEY SAID, THE WATERLINE GOES ON THE WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY TO INTERMEDICS.

SO IT'S VERY CLOSE.

AND THAT'S COMMERCIAL ALREADY.

CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICE AND IT'S ABOUT 50 PERCENT OCCUPIED.

SAY WE HAVE TROUBLE OCCUPYING THAT 50 PERCENT, BUT WE WANT MORE COMMERCIAL THERE.

WELL, LET ME SAY THIS.

SO IT IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH OFFICE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO NOW AND WE HAVE WE HAVE 500000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE.

HOUSTON IS 40 PERCENT VACANT RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, IT'S A HORRIBLE TIME TO BE AN OFFICE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW.

[02:30:01]

SO THE THOUGHT HERE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME GARDEN OFFICE.

I MEAN, THAT WOULD REALLY BE MORE INDICATIVE OF AN ANGLETON TYPE USER LIKE A DOCTOR, SOME TYPE OF AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

OR I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THERE'S THERE'S OFFICE CONDOS.

WE'VE DEVELOPED 14 ACRES OF THOSE.

SO THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO DO.

SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE HAVING COMMERCIAL OFFICE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

YOU JUST HOW DO YOU DO IT IN ANGLETON AT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE MIX AND THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'D LIKE TO WORK THROUGH.

I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO, I SAY COMMERCIAL OFFICE, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT ONE OF THE ANGLETON STRENGTH REALLY SHOULD BE AROUND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.

SO BEING THAT OUR PROXIMITY TO THE PORT, TO THE HIGHWAYS THAT WE HAVE GOING EAST, WEST, NORTH, SOUTH, THE REGIONAL AIRPORT, A LOT OF THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD WAREHOUSING AREA AND SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD BE NICE TOO.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, THOUGH, ACTUALLY HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, NOT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, ON A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SURE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THOUGH.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, YOU SAID THIS THE APARTMENTS WOULD BASICALLY FUND THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THE INITIAL START UP OF THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMELINE OF THAT IF THIS, IF THE APARTMENTS WOULD TAKE, SAY, FOUR YEARS? WELL, SO WE'LL START DOING THE DESIGN AND PLANNING.

BUT UNTIL WE CLOSE THE MULTIFAMILY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO START SPENDING MONEY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE. OK, SO TWO YEARS TO DESIGN, FUND, CLOSE AND THEN ANOTHER TWO YEARS TO PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN? OK.

DOES THAT KIND OF WHAT? OK. OK. ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE, CHRIS? SO DOES THAT HELP YOU WITH SOME FEEDBACK? SHE'S THE BUYER. OK.

YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK JUST GENERALLY WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, FOR COUNCIL TO BE GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING THE LAND UNDER CONTRACT. WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE SITE PLAN AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU FOR ANNEXATION, ZONING AND ALL OF THAT.

SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST, YOU KNOW, YES, YOU CONCEPTUALLY LIKE THE IDEA, BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE.

AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF CHICKEN AND EGG SITUATION, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK I HEARD.

BUT THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM.

RIGHT. YEAH, RIGHT.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OK. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR COMING IN AND STAYING THIS LATE WITH US.

YEP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG, ITEM NUMBER 13 DISCUSSION OF [INAUDIBLE] AND A WAIVER OF THE

[13. Discussion and possible action on a waiver of the preliminary acceptance of public improvement with a one-year maintenance bond and acceptance of public improvements for the Bayou Bend subdivision.]

[INAUDIBLE] FROM PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT WITH ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE, BOND AND ACCEPTANCE AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] LINDSAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO WAIVE THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE AS REQUIRED BY CODE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 2398I AND ACCEPT A ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND WITH FINAL ACCEPTANCE. SO WE'VE DONE THIS FOR SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS.

I KNOW THE QUESTION CAME UP LAST TIME ABOUT DOING THE WAIVER.

IT'S JUST REALLY MORE OF A DIRECT APPROACH, AS WE EXPLAINED IN THE LAST ONE.

I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE LAST DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN THE QUEUE THAT WOULD BE DONE THIS WAY AS WE ARE REVISING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REFLECT THE WAY IT WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE ADOPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO THE BAYOU BEND SUBDIVISION, IT LOOKED GREAT.

WE DID A PRELIMINARY AND A FINAL WALKTHROUGH.

WE HAVE A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION IN YOUR PACKET AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, MISS LINDSEY.

QUESTIONS COMMENTS FOR MS. LINDSEY. WHEN WAS THE LAST WAIVER GIVEN GIFFORD MEADOWS.

AND BEFORE THAT, GREYSTONE AND BEFORE THAT RIVERWOOD, [INAUDIBLE] SECTION SEVEN.

I THINK THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED A DEFICIENCY IN YOUR LDC.

MM HMM. I THINK SO.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE WAIVER OF THE PRELIMINARY ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE ONE YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND AND ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS OF THE [INAUDIBLE] OF SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT.

SECOND THAT. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE POSTS SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES OUT.

THANK YOU, MS. LINDSEY.

THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER FOURTEEN DISCUSSION ON CURRENT CITY DEVELOPMENT AND PROJECTS.

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GO AHEAD, CHRIS. SO THIS IS LIKE A SALAD.

[14. Discussion on current City development and projects.]

OK, I GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS OLIVE BRANCH.

SO IT'S A LITTLE RANCH.

IT'S A LITTLE SMALL TOMATOES.

IT'S ALL KINDS OF GOOD THINGS, CROUTONS, CUCUMBERS.

SO THE FIRST PART IS, YOU KNOW, AS WE ANALYZE WHAT WE DO LIKE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS, A LOT GOING ON.

SO PERIODICALLY WE WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON DEVELOPMENTS AND SO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT THE THIRTY THOUSAND FEET.

JUST KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE A DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE PROGRESS THAT'S PHASE ONE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM. [INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S THAT? SAID THE LAWYER COACHED YOU UP.

I'M WARNING. THIRTY THOUSAND FEET.

SO PART TWO IS I WAS ASKED BY A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TALK ABOUT SETBACKS.

AND SO THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET SO WE CAN AFTER LINDSEY GETS DONE, UPDATING YOU.

AND THEN PART THREE IS REALLY JUST ABOUT CITY DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT WE OWE YOU AN UPDATE ON HENDERSON ROAD, THE DRAINAGE AND THE ROAD PROJECT AND SO BEEN, YOU KNOW, JOHN PETERSON AND [INAUDIBLE] HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN [INAUDIBLE] CHECK, TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE AT AND SO IT'S A IT'S A MIXED SALAD, LINDSEY.

I MEAN, ME PERSONALLY, I PREFER COBB SALAD, SO I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT EGGS OR CHEDDAR. SO YEAH, YEAH BACON, YEAH.

SO WE'VE JUST KIND OF PREPARED JUST A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW LIKE CHRIS WAS SAYING ABOUT WHERE SOME OF THE ACTIVE DEVELOPMENTS ARE.

SO TONIGHT WE'LL GO OVER RIVERWOOD RANCH.

I'M GOING TO CHEAT AND LOOK AT MY IPAD, [INAUDIBLE] GREEN AND AUSTIN COLONY.

SO RIVERWOOD RANCH, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS OUT THERE AS OF THE TIME THAT I WROTE THIS AGENDA SUMMARY, WE HAD ISSUED FIFTY-NINE NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION PERMITS, SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS FROM WHERE WE WERE JUST A YEAR AGO.

WE'VE ALSO MET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOURTH PHASE OF THE PROJECT THAT COULD BE PROPOSED, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

I'VE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF PICTURES IN YOUR PACKET, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALREADY RESIDENTS ACTUALLY LIVING IN RIVERWOOD RANCH SO PRETTY EXCITING STUFF.

[INAUDIBLE] GREEN, THIS ONE, THEY'VE PULLED TWENTY-NINE NEW HOME PERMITS SO FAR.

SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS OUT THERE.

WE'RE CONDUCTING A LOT OF INSPECTIONS OUT THERE, SO THEY ARE MAKING GREAT PROGRESS.

AND ACTUALLY, I SAW WHEN I WENT AND TOOK THESE PICTURES, WE SAW A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT VEHICLES OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT LOTS.

SO A LOT OF GOOD PROGRESS THERE AND AUSTIN COLONY.

LET'S GO BACK TO RIVERWOOD REALLY QUICK, SO THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO THEIR PID, WHICH IS A BONDED PID FOR 5.1 MILLION DOLLARS.

AND I LIKE TO ASK JOE MORROW TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IMPACT OR NOT OF A BONDED PID ON THE CITY SINCE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE OBLIGATION AND DEBT.

YEAH, IT WOULD BE GOOD. IT'D BE GOOD TO HEAR HOW THAT RELATES TO THE 10 MILLION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, CHRIS, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JOE MORROW, HILLTOP SECURITIES.

WHEN THE CITY AUTHORIZES A PID TO PROCEED, YOU'RE SETTING ASSESSMENTS ON THOSE RIGHT AND AN ASSESSMENT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A TAX.

THINK OF A A TAX AS BEING SOMETHING LEVELED, LEVIED ON THE BASIS OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

WITH AN ASSESSMENT, YOU'RE TAKING THAT DOWN TO A VERY SMALL SECTION, AND EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY IS GOING TO HAVE A TOTAL ASSESSMENT AMOUNT THAT WILL BE BILLED ANNUALLY OVER THIRTY YEARS AND THAT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER MAY PAY THEIR ENTIRE ASSESSMENT AMOUNT AT ANY TIME.

SO IT'S DIFFERENT IN THAT SENSE THAT IF YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PIE CHART, THERE WOULD BE SLICES FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY IN AN ASSESSMENT MODEL, WHEREAS IT WOULD BE NOT THE SAME FOR PROPERTY VALUES, RIGHT, BECAUSE WITH PROPERTY VALUES.

IT'S NOT A FIXED AMOUNT.

IT'S A CONTINUOUS PAYMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AS LONG AS YOU OWN THAT PROPERTY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT WITH THE ASSESSMENT.

THERE CAN BE A FIXED END TO IT, EITHER YOU MAKE OUT ALL OF YOUR THIRTY ANNUAL PAYMENTS OR YOU PAY IT UP FRONT.

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SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT YOUR CAPACITY OF AD VALOREM TAX BASED DEBT.

IT IS OUTSIDE OF THAT.

IT IS CONSIDERED A REVENUE DEBT OBLIGATION.

IT STILL PAY THE SAME M.N.O RATE AND THE SAME I.N.S.

RATE THAT WE HAVE HERE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THE ASSESSMENT IS ON TOP OF THE M.N.O AND THE I.N.S.

TAX RATE. SO I MADE THE POINT THAT DIVE BELOW 30 THOUSAND FEET TO MAKE THIS POINT BECAUSE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'LL PROCEED FORWARD WITH THAT BOND.

SO I DIDN'T WANT EVERYONE TO FLIP OUT TO SAY, WELL, WE JUST WENT OUT FOR 10 MILLION DOLLARS. WHAT ARE WE DOING GOING FOR ANOTHER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS? I JUST. AND WE'LL KEEP HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO REMIND FOLKS ABOUT HOW THAT DEBT IS PAID OFF. YEAH.

ONE FOLLOW UP FOR JOE.

THE RATE AT WHICH WE GET OUR CO PASSED THAT THAT RATE WILL BE NOT IMPACTED BY THE PID BOND. CORRECT.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AND IN THIS CASE, NO.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ISSUING UP TO 10 MILLION IN OUR ISSUE PRICE FOR FEDERAL TAX LAW IS GOING TO BE ABOVE 10 MILLION.

SO WE WILL NOT ISSUE ON A BANK QUALIFIED BASIS.

THERE MAY BE TIMES IN THE FUTURE WHERE YOU MAY BE HAVING A SMALLER ISSUE.

AND WE WOULD.

HAVE THE PID OWNER LANDOWNER PAY TO US A FEE IF IT WAS GOING TO CAUSE OUR ISSUE TO GO ABOVE 10 MILLION AND THAT'S IN YOUR POLICY.

GOOD. SO IN THIS CASE, NO, SIR, THERE WILL NOT BE AN IMPACT.

GREAT. OK, THANK YOU.

ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION, IF YOU CAN ANSWER, JOE, THE ASSESSMENT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE PAY, IS THAT CONSIDERED THE SAME AS AN AD VALOREM TAX WHERE IT CAN BE DEDUCTED OFF YOUR SCHEDULE ON YOUR INCOME TAXES? ARE YOU [INAUDIBLE]? YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING THAT'S FINE.

I CAN'T GIVE INDIVIDUAL TAX ADVICE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT OK.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I'M NOT A TAX ADVISER SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.

THAT'S OK. OKAY.

JOE, THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND.

I APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR.

WHERE YOU LEFT OFF. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS AUSTIN COLONY SO PROPOSED NOW EIGHT PHASES AND FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY LOTS.

AGAIN, ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.

AND THERE WAS SOME DESIGN CHANGE TO THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION.

I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT IF IT'S FULLY BEEN APPROVED OR NOT, BUT THAT CATALYZED THE PHASING PLAN AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY PHASING.

IT'S BASICALLY A CHANGE TO THE PD OR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY ON THAT PROJECT.

SO NOW THEY'RE PROPOSING A TOTAL OF EIGHT SECTIONS.

CAN YOU CAN YOU ADDRESS GREYSTONE? I MEAN, PERMITS PULLED OVER THERE.

I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO GET THAT TO CHRIS AND HE CAN GIVE THAT TO YOU GUYS. IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT.

IT DOES LOOK LIKE A LOT.

THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS, YOU KNOW.

SEVENTEEN HOMES UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

YEAH, YEAH. BUT YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CONSTRUCTION OVER THERE AND WE'RE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE GIS AND GETTING ALL THE ROADWAYS IN THERE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

[INAUDIBLE] HAS ABOUT SIX, THE MODEL HOME [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT FIVE MORE IN THE BACK.

OK, SO NEXT TIME I PRESENT THIS, Y'ALL WANT TO KNOW ABOUT [INAUDIBLE], GREYSTONE? OKAY, I'LL GET THOSE NUMBERS TO YOU.

I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT SETBACK [INAUDIBLE] AND I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHART THAT THEY PUT IN OUR PACKET FOR THE ALL THE DIFFERENT SETBACKS.

SO YES, THIS WAS PREPARED BY DIRECTOR WALT.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS MOSTLY FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS TO DIGEST AND CONSIDER.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME UP ABOUT SETBACKS.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE SIDE SETBACKS ON PROPERTIES.

SO I THINK THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TONIGHT.

THAT'S A COMPREHENSIVE CHART OF ALL OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO WE'RE JUST EAGER TO HEAR WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS.

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WELL, I THINK MY CONCERN IS ARE ALL SET BACKS, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE'S BACK PORCH, SOMEONE'S BACK PORCH TO BE ON SOMEONE'S FRONT DOOR.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VALID CONCERN.

I AM CONCERNED WITH THE SMALLER LOTS.

I THINK WHEN YOU DO THAT.

A LOT OF THOSE BUILDERS ARE BUILDING HOUSES FOR A NARROW MARKET.

PEOPLE ARE AT A CERTAIN PRICE POINT, SO THEY'RE GOING TO EVEN CUT EVEN FURTHER COSTS OF POURING CONCRETE.

AND SO THEY KEEP THE GARAGE, THE CONCRETE IS ONLY FOR GARAGE DOOR TO GARAGE DOOR.

SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE BASICALLY FROM THE EDGE OF THE DOORS.

WHICH ENDS UP INVARIABLY PUTTING AND IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPER'S FAULT, BUT I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR I BELIEVE THE MODERN AMERICAN DOESN'T USE THEIR GARAGE FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSES WHENEVER IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, WHICH IS TO PUT YOUR CAR IN THE GARAGE.

AND SO THOSE CARS END UP IN STREETS.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE FURTHER SETBACK FROM THE ROAD TO ALLOW HOPEFULLY MORE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND LESS ON THE STREETS.

LESS THAN 60 FEET OR FOR ALL.

NO, I THINK FOR ALL.

DEFINITELY FOR LESS THAN 60 FEET, LESS THAN 60 FEET, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE. I MEAN, WE HAVE A CHOICE, BUT WE'D BE MUCH BETTER OFF WITH FORCING CARS TO BE PARKED IN DRIVEWAYS OR AT LEAST ALLOWING FOR AS MUCH SPACE AS POSSIBLE FOR THOSE DRIVEWAYS TO ALLOW, COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO THREE VEHICLES IN A DRIVEWAY OR HECK, EVEN FOUR. WE'VE SEEN THAT TOO.

WHAT'S FUNNY IS THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY ESTATES, THE HUNDRED FOOT LOT WIDTH REQUIRE 30 FEET FROM ON THE FRONT YARD, SO MORE THAN 60-FOOT SET [INAUDIBLE] 20.

AND I'LL BE PROBABLY OK WITH 30 OR 30 PLUS FEET ON THE SMALLER LOT BECAUSE.

I MEAN, YOU JUST DRIVE AROUND, YOU SEE IT, IT'S EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU GO TO IT, THE ONES, AND THEY'RE NOT. I'VE BEEN AROUND THE COUNTY AT THIS LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT DECENT MORE HOMES ARE BEING BUILT LIKE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS COUNTY? AND THAT ISSUE REPEATS ITSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CITY YOU'RE IN.

SO 30 FOOT SET BACKS.

YEAH. WELL, I DON'T MEAN TO PICK ON THE PARTICULAR ENTITY IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH I'M LOOKING AT HERE IN, I GUESS IT'S RIVER WOOD RANCH, BUT THERE IS A BIG SUBURBAN THAT'S REAR WHEELS ARE OUT IN THE STREET.

ACTUALLY A TAHOE. THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S A STATE TROOPER VEHICLE.

THAT WAS A STATE TROOPER VEHICLE.

BUT THEY NEED TO BE PARKED IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, NOT ON THE PUBLIC STREET.

WELL, MAYBE SO IN THAT TRUCK.

IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LARGE TRASH RECEPTACLE BEHIND THE TRUCK, SO IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST UTILIZATION OF SPACE ON THE HOMEOWNER'S PART.

YES, BUT THAT EPITOMIZES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LONG TIME AGO.

WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING ON THESE HOUSES.

SO THAT SIDEWALK IS NOT EVEN USABLE.

YEAH, THAT'S FRUSTRATING, I KNOW AS A PARENT WHO HAS, PROBABLY HAVE THEIR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL ON THE SIDEWALK.

WE ACTUALLY HAD TO HOLD BACK MY DAUGHTER FROM GOING TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE WAS A CONTINUING PARKING IN FRONT OF SIDEWALKS, SO.

AND THAT THAT'S YEAH, I SYMPATHIZE WITH THAT COMPLETELY.

I LIVE IN THE STERLING LAKES NEIGHBORHOOD.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITHOUT HESITATION OR RESERVATION, AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS LARGELY BUILT OUT AND THEY'RE BUILDING AND BUILDING AND BUILDING, AND I CONTINUOUSLY SEE CARS PARKED OVER THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.

THAT'S SOMETHING I DEFINITELY SYMPATHIZE WITH.

HOWEVER, THAT IS LARGELY AN HOA ISSUE.

WELL, PARTS OF ANGLETON JUST AREN'T UNDER THE CONTROL OF AT HOA.

RIGHT. THIS IS AN OLD NEIGHBORHOODS OR SOME OTHER.

BUT I REALLY.

I KNOW THEORETICALLY OUR OFFICERS COULD BE DRIVING AROUND ISSUING CITATIONS.

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I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE] WISE USE OF TIME AND RESOURCES FOR HIS OFFICERS, BUT IT COULD BE DONE.

BUT TO CLARIFY THAT PROCESS, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IN DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM TIME TO RESPOND.

AND TYPICALLY THAT RESPONSE TIME IS TEN DAYS.

SO WE CAN'T WE CAN'T UNILATERALLY ISSUE A CITATION WHEN WE SEE THEM IN VIOLATION, WE HAVE TO OFFER THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION.

AND SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT AND POLICE OFFICERS AS POLICE OFFICERS HAVE THE AUTOMATIC AUTHORITY, AS AS PEACE OFFICERS LICENSED BY THE STATE.

I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN HOW THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE WERE TO PERHAPS EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY, THEN WE DON'T COME ACROSS THAT PROBLEM, WE HAVE LESS OF THAT PROBLEM.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL I'M GETTING AT.

IT'S NOT, I MEAN, I GET IT, AND I'M SURE IF WE EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL FIND A WAY TO USE THAT. BUT I SAY ABUSE, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT.

I THINK THESE ARE ALL REALLY GREAT POINTS AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK ABOUT IT.

SO WE PUT IT ON HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANTED TO GIVE DIRECTION AND SO OR, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT IS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A WORKSHOP OR.

MY ONLY THOUGHT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT STUFF ALREADY PLANNED, PLOTTED AND WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS SO MUCH.

BUT THERE'LL BE MORE.

IF THEY'RE NOT PLATTED, THOUGH.

I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE OPEN.

SURE, THEY SHOULD BE CHANGED.

IF IT'S NOT PLATTED, IT'S NOT FINALIZED.

I UNDERSTAND. BUT.

FOR SURE, [INAUDIBLE] DISAGREE WITH ME BUT.

CONSIDER THE FACT THAT A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PUT IN A LOT THAT'S A X FEET DEEP BASED UPON THE CODE.

IF YOU WANT TO PUSH THAT HOUSE BACK, ANOTHER FIVE FEET YOU GONE LOSE FIVE FEET OUT OF THE BACK YARD. SO YOU'RE JUST BACK IN THE BACK DOORS UP TO EACH OTHER, CLOSER AND CLOSER, WHICH WHY, WE CAN,SO YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP A PRETTY BIG VOLUMETRIC CAN OF WORMS WHEN YOU START.

WELL, THE OTHER THING IS IS YOU DON'T CHANGE YOUR SETBACKS FROM THE FENCE LINES ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND THAT JUST FORCES DEVELOPERS TO MOVE DURING DEVELOPMENT SPEAKERS]. WELL, THERE MAY BE A SETBACK ON THE BACK, BUT.

THIS SAYS THERE IS.

SO I MEAN, YOU JUST DON'T.

IT HAPPENS BOTH IN 70-FOOT LOTS AND FORTY-FIVE FOOT LOTS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M FINE WITH, THAT I'M FINE, I WON'T DISCRIMINATE.

THEY CAN ALL HAVE 30 FEET SET BACK.

YUP. THERE ARE PARTS OF TOWN THAT DO HAVE 30-FOOT SETBACKS IN THE 6.2, 7.0.

THEY'RE OUT THERE. GOT TO GET TO GO LOOK INTO THE PLATS.

IT TOOK MORE OLDER, SOME OF THE OLDER.

YEAH, I JUST. AND PART OF IT IS PROBABLY THAT PICTURE IS ALSO A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS.

SO A LOT OF US ARE TEXANS.

SO YOU HAVE A TRUCK IN A TAHOE.

IT'S NOT. I MEAN, IN THE 80S WHEN CARS WERE BUILT, THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN [INAUDIBLE]. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME LONGER CADILLAC STYLE VEHICLES OR WHATEVER. BUT YOU HAD A LOT OF YOU KNOW, JUST TRUCKS WEREN'T THE SIZE THEY ARE THESE DAYS. MY DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW LIVE IN HOUSTON AND APPARENTLY, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU MAY NOT PARK ACROSS THE SIDEWALK OR THE PROJECTION OF THE SIDEWALK.

LAKE JACKSON HAS IT TOO.

LIABLE TO GETTING A TICKET SO.

MR. MAYOR, WOULD YOU ALLOW ME, MR. CLINTON [INAUDIBLE]? CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON HERITAGE PARK? WHAT IS THE DEPTH OF THOSE OF THE DRIVEWAYS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? COME TO MIC.

AND WE KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE THE MIC BECAUSE OF THE MIC.

SO WHAT'S THE QUESTION? HOW DEEP ARE THOSE DRIVEWAYS ON THE NEWER SECTIONS OF HERITAGE PARK? WELL, THE SETBACK IS TWENTY FIVE FOOT.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE 15-FOOT BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE AND THE STREET, SO RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT AT 40 FEET FROM THE STREET CURB TO THE GARAGE, ESSENTIALLY ABOUT 40 FEET TOTAL.

YEAH. OK, THANK YOU.

THAT'S FOUR FOOT OVER THE SIDEWALK.

YEAH, BECAUSE I JUST I JUST DROVE BY THERE THE OTHER DAY AND THAT WAS AFTER OUR SETBACK DISCUSSION AND I WAS LOOKING AT THAT DRIVE THOSE DRIVEWAYS AND WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THANK YOU.

GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

ANSWERING TRAVIS'S QUESTION.

ANSWERING TRAVIS'S QUESTION IF YOU EXTEND YOUR DRIVEWAY OUT TWO FEET BEYOND EITHER SIDE OF

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THE GARAGE, EITHER SIDE OF THE GARAGE DOOR OPENING.

YOU'LL HAVE ROOM FOR TWO CARS EASILY, BUT AS YOU SAID, MOST PRODUCTION GUYS, THEY SAVE $20 ARE GOING TO SAVE IT.

SO THEY'RE ONLY PUTTING WHAT THEY HAVE TO AND CARS END UP IN THE FRONT YARD OR THEY END UP IN THE STREET.

WE SEE THAT IN THE SMALL SECTION OF WHATEVER IS CALLED [INAUDIBLE] ELSEWHERE.

THEY END UP IN THE STREET, SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO BY ORDINANCE.

I WOULD ASSUME IN YOUR LDC REQUIRE THE DRIVEWAY TO BE WIDER.

OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WE'VE HAD IN HISTORY.

COULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT, IS THAT ALL WE HAVE ON THE SET BACK, ESPECIALLY WELL, I WANT THE TWO SIDES TO BE 10 FEET, NOT FIVE.

WHAT'S THAT SIR? I WANT 10 FEET ON THE SIDES.

10 FEET TO THE NEIGHBOR OR? 10 FEET TO THE NEIGHBOR OR TO THE FENCE LINE.

PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. OK.

SORT OF BUILDING THE HOUSE WHERE IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FENCES.

I WANT TO SEE A SETBACK BACK MORE.

OH, GOTCHA. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE PROBABLY NEED TO, LIKE, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A SMALL WORKSHOP. I WOULD RECOMMEND A WORKSHOP ALL BY AN ACTION ITEM SO WE CAN.

I LIKE THE DRIVEWAY DISCUSSION TOO.

YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WAY, WE CAN BE INCLUSIVE OF ALL THE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS, BECAUSE SOME THINGS LIKE YOU SAID OR LDC VERSUS OTHERS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S AMENDING THIS RIGHT? YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW THE THOUGHT PATTERN AND THE LOGIC PROCESS THAT CAME UP WITH THIS SIDE AND BROUGHT SETBACKS FOR THE VARIOUS [INAUDIBLE], FIVE SIXES AND SEVENS, BECAUSE SOME ENTITIES PRIOR TO US CAME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS BASED UPON SOMETHING.

OK. I'M SURE AT THE TIME IT CAME UP, THEY CAME UP WITH IT, THEY PROBABLY HAD A VERY GOOD REASON FOR DOING SO.

THINGS CHANGE, THOUGH.

DON'T WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING UP WITH THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT? DID I HAVE THAT ON MY CALENDAR? NO. YES, NO? IT'S COMING UP ON A MARCH COUNCIL MEETING.

IN MARCH? YEAH, THAT MAY BE A DAY TO PIGGYBACK FOR [INAUDIBLE] ANOTHER NIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CONVERSATION, HOW LONG THAT WILL LAST, BUT MAYBE WE CAN DO IT THAT NIGHT. SURE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S DEVELOPMENTS.

NOW, WE HAVE PROJECTS, RIGHT, CHRIS, THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS.

JOHN PETERSON.

COME ON UP, MR. PETERSON, AND NO ACTION REQUIRED.

THIS JUST [INAUDIBLE].

YOU HAVE A POWERPOINT, MR. PETERSON? YEAH. JASON, CAN YOU PULL IT UP, PLEASE, SIR? ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY.

THE CITY'S BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF PLANNING WORK FOR HENDERSON ROAD.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY DOING SOME SOME MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TO IMPROVE THAT AREA.

RIGHT NOW, THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT IS BASICALLY FROM 288 B TO HIGHWAY THIRTY-FIVE. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES LONG IN THAT AREA.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS DONE.

THE CITY HAS DONE A PARTNERSHIP WITH ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND [INAUDIBLE] ROSE GREEN, IT SUCCESSFULLY HAS REPLACED A 40 INCH PIPE ON A FORTY-EIGHT INCH PIPE ON HENDERSON AT THE RANCHO DITCH, APPROXIMATELY RIGHT THERE.

REPLACE THE 48-INCH PIPE WITH 2 12 BY 8S, SO THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA IS ALREADY STARTING TO IMPROVE. WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN THE FUTURE.

ALSO IN JUNE OF 2021, WE HAD DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT IDENTIFIED IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR ITSELF, RANGING FROM SIGNALIZATION TO WIDER.

AND I'LL GET MORE INTO THAT HEAR IN A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN NOW THIS IS THE DRAINAGE STUDY OF THAT, WHAT HAS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THOSE IMPROVEMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SO AS I SAID BEFORE, BACK IN JUNE, WE HAD PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE TRAFFIC LOADING FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

ALSO, IT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE SCHOOL.

THERE IS A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC GOING TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC GOING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL STADIUM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF A LOT OF MOBILITY, NOT JUST VEHICULAR, BUT PEDESTRIAN IN

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THAT AREA. WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE A FOUR LANE BOULEVARD SECTION TO HANDLE THE PROJECTED LOADS OFF THE TRAFFIC COUNTING AND WITH THE PROJECTED BUILDINGS.

THREE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT VALADARES, [INAUDIBLE], AND BUCHTA THE MINIMUM RIGHT AWAY WITH NEEDS TO BE 90-FEET IN ORDER TO GET THAT IN.

AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES A 10-FOOT WIDE SHARED PATH AND A FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE SO THAT YOU DO GET BOTH BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS A SAFE PLACE TO COMMUTE THERE IN THAT AREA. THE OPINION FOR CONSTRUCTION COST IS ABOUT 14.1 MILLION, JUST FOR THE PAVING ALONE IN THAT AREA AND THAT TWO MILE AREA WHICH BRINGS US TO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO AS FAR AS TO GET THE MOBILITY IN THE AREA IMPROVED.

SO WE WENT AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE OUTFALLS IN THE AREA.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE TWO EIGHT BY.

I KEEP CHANGING, SORRY.

TWO EIGHT BY FIVE OUTFALL STRUCTURES AT THE GREEN DOT HERE.

SAY THE WEST OUTFALL.

YOU HAVE THE TWO TWELVE BY EIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN AT THE CENTER RIGHT THERE ON RANCHO DITCH, AND THEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE FORTY EIGHT INCH OUTFALL RIGHT THERE.

SO THOSE ARE YOUR THREE DRAINAGE OUTFALLS FOR THAT ENTIRE TWO MILE SECTION.

SO WHAT WE WENT WE DID IS WE TOOK ALL THE AVAILABLE INFORMATION FOR US AND LOOKED AT THE EXISTING DRAINAGE STUDY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AREA.

WE TOOK A SURVEY OF THE ENTIRE HENDERSON CORRIDOR IN THAT AREA.

WE LOOKED AT THE LIGHT [INAUDIBLE] INFORMATION.

WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING RECORD DRAWINGS THAT WE COULD FIND.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT EXISTING MODELS THAT HAVE BEEN PERFORMED PREVIOUSLY IN THE PAST AND TALKED TO STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S THREE AREAS CODED BY COLORS.

YOU'VE GOT THE RED, WHICH IS THE WEST SIDE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT AREA IS HERE.

THAT GOES INTO THE HENDERSON DRAINAGE, THIS AREA HERE DOES NOT THAT GOES INTO RANCHO DITCH AND BACK OVER HERE, RANCHO DITCH ACTUALLY WRAPS AROUND AND THAT'S THE DRAINAGE CORRIDOR FOR THAT SYSTEM SO THAT WEST SIDE IS ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND NINE ACRES.

SO I MEAN, IT'S A LARGE ACRE COMING TO IT.

THAT'S WITH THE LARGE OPEN DITCH ON THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE OFF OF DOWNING. YOU CAN SEE IT ON DOWNING GOING BACK TO THE THE SCHOOL, THERE'S A BIG LARGE OPEN DITCH. THE EAST SIDE IS THE YELLOW.

THAT'S ABOUT 60 ACRES.

AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLUE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S DRAINING INTO RANCHO DITCH, IT'S VERY SMALL ACRES, SO IT'S ONLY LIKE A ONE ACRE.

AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT THE RAIN HITS THE RIGHT AWAY AND SHEDS RIGHT OFF.

SO THERE'S NOTHING COMING INTO THE MIDDLE.

SO I WANT TO GO OVER SOME THINGS THAT I TYPICALLY DON'T DO, BUT I THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING OVER DRAINAGE PRINCIPLES.

THE FIRST THING IS FLOW.

FLOW IS CONTROLLED BY TWO FACTORS IS CONTROLLED BY THE AREA OF WHAT IS CONVEYING THE FLOW.

SO WHETHER IT'S A DITCH OR WHETHER IT'S A PIPE, THE AREA, PLUS HOW FAST IT'S GOING THROUGH THAT AREA IS WHAT YOUR FLOW IS CONTROLLED BY.

OK, SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR AREA AND YOU GOT YOUR VELOCITY.

IN A DITCH, YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE VOLUME IN THAT OPEN DITCH BUT THE VELOCITY IS VERY SLOW GOING THROUGH. IT JUST KIND OF EASES ON THROUGH THERE VERSUS WHEN YOU PUT A CONDUIT IN THERE, A CONCRETE BOX, YOU BASICALLY HAVE A SMALLER VOLUME, BUT THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM IS SUCH, SO GREAT.

YOU INCREASE YOUR VELOCITY THAT IT YOU EFFECTIVELY HAVE A SMALLER AREA WITH HIGHER VELOCITY, SO IT KIND OF CHANGES OUT.

SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS.

IT IS CONTROLLED ALSO BY FRICTION, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY YOUR DITCH HAS A HIGHER FRICTION COEFFICIENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOUR BOXES DO.

YOUR BOXES ARE JUST MORE EFFICIENTLY, HYDRAULICALLY EFFICIENT.

AND THE FINAL THING I WANTED TO TALK TO EVERYBODY ABOUT IS WHAT'S CALLED TAIL WATER.

TAIL WATER IS AT THE OUTFALL, WHERE THE SYSTEM'S OUTFALL AT.

IT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE RECEIVING STREAM.

AS THESE SYSTEMS GET, AS THIS DRAINAGE SYSTEM KEEPS GETTING, COLLECTING MORE AND MORE WATER THROUGHOUT THE RAIN EVENT, THE WATER GETS HIGHER, HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER.

WELL, WHAT IT DOES IS WATER WANTS TO SEEK ITS OWN LEVEL, SO IT STARTS PUSHING BACK INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. SO IF WATER CAN GO OUT, IT CAN ALSO PUT BACK IN SO YOU START FIGHTING A HEAD PRESSURE AT THE TAIL WATER.

SO THOSE ARE THREE MAIN THINGS I WANT TO KEEP IN CONTROL SO WHEN YOU START SEEING.

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WHEN YOU START SEEING THE SIZES OF THE PIPES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO REMEMBER, FLOW IS YOUR AREA.

THE BIGGER THE AREA, THE MORE FLOW, THE FASTER THE VELOCITY, THE MORE FLOW.

A DITCH HAS BIG VOLUME, IT HOLD A LOT, BUT IS REAL SLOW MOVING VERSUS A DITCH IS A SMALLER AREA, BUT A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WENT AHEAD AND CALCULATED THIS UTILIZING THE ATLAS 14.

THIS IS THE NEW DRAINAGE CRITERIA THAT IS STARTING TO BE RECOMMENDED BY BY MULTIPLE COUNTIES AND MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES.

BASICALLY, IT'S BASED ON MORE RECENT STATISTICAL DATA BASED BECAUSE OF MORE STATIONS, MORE COLLECTION STATIONS. YOU'VE GOT MORE DATA, YOU GOT MORE LADDER DATA.

SO YOU'RE COMING UP WITH A MORE INTENSE RAIN FOR A LONGER STORM EVENT ON A 100 YEAR STORM YOU'RE INCREASING YOUR OUTFALL, PROBABLY, OR YOUR THE AMOUNT OF FLOW PROBABLY ABOUT 25 PERCENT. SO IT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT ON THAT.

WHEN YOU'RE SMALLER EVENTS, IT GETS LESS AND LESS.

SO THERE IS A LARGER STORM EVENT.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE OF ANGLETON, WE NEED TO DESIGN FOR WHAT THE CRITERIA WILL EVENTUALLY BE IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE ATLAS 14 WITH THE TALK OF CLOSING A DITCH IN AND PUTTING A MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEM.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A BUILDING THE SYSTEM TO A HIGHER STORM EVENT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MITIGATION.

ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE PUT MORE WATER INTO BRUSHY BOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MITIGATE THAT IMPACT. YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT WATER ON PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM OR HOLD WATER ON PEOPLE UPSTREAM. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN DO IT.

YOU CAN DO IT WITH INLAND ATTENTION.

WE'RE WE KIND OF USE THIS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IS YOU INCREASE THE BOXES TO HOLD A VOLUME THAT YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO CONVEY, BUT YOU'RE JUST STORING IT IN THERE.

IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S AN EFFECTIVE TOOL WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE LAND TO PURCHASE TO GET IT. THAT'S THE KEY ON THAT ONE.

THE OTHER ONE IS OFFSITE DETENTION, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS THAT I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH AND THE OTHER THING IS WHAT THE I CALL IT, INLAND WATER CONTROL DEVICES.

BUT THAT'S THE POLITICALLY CORRECT WAY OF SAYING A RESTRICTOR.

NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THAT YOU JUST PUT IN A GIANT BOX CULVERT AND THEN PUT A RESTRICTOR IN IT. SO WE CALL THEM WATER CONTROL DEVICES.

SO IT'S A WAY TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HURTING OR DAMAGING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM UNTIL YOU CAN FIND THAT DETENTION AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE. OK.

ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, LET'S GO AND TALK.

TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MITIGATION.

BEFORE I GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF IT, THE PROPOSED SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS GOING TO REQUIRE ABOUT 45.3 ACRE FEET.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

THERE IS A POSSIBLE PARTNERSHIP.

I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

THEY DO HAVE A POTENTIAL, A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM.

THEY DO HAVE THE RABB ROAD.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A POTENTIAL WE HAVEN'T TALKED AND WE HADN'T HADN'T EVEN SUBMITTED THIS PLAN TO DOUG YET AND TO REVIEW TO TAKE TO COUNCIL OR TAKE TO HIS BOARD.

BUT THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD WORK SOME KIND OF PARTNERSHIP OUT.

ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT DID SEEM LIKE THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT GETS RID OF THAT BIG LARGE DITCH AND THE MAINTENANCE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. PLUS, IT IMPROVES THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS WALKING THERE AND ALSO THE MOBILITY OF THE OF THE AREA AND VEHICULAR SAFETY.

THEIR BUDGET, THEIR ANNUAL BUDGET IS NOT VERY BIG.

THEY'VE ALREADY GOT IT ALL PLANNED OUT, BUT THEY COULD HELP WITH REGIONAL OFFSETTING, WHICH IS A BIG, BIG HELP TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE HELP IF THEY ALLOW THE REGIONAL DETENTION AT RABB ROAD.

HOWEVER, JUST FOR THE COST, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO INCLUDE ALL THE COSTS IN THIS THING THAT WE CAN WENT AHEAD AND LOOKED AT, POTENTIALLY UTILIZING THE OLD SANDPIT OVER HERE, PURCHASING THE OLD SANDPIT AND UTILIZING THAT VOLUME THERE FOR THE DETENTION REQUIRED.

SO IT'S UTILIZING WHAT YOU NATURALLY HAVE OUT THERE, YOU HAVE OUT THERE EXISTING TO OFFSET THIS.

ALL RIGHT. SO BEFORE I GET INTO THESE SIZES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE WENT AND LIKE I SAID, REMEMBER THE DITCH IS VERY BIG VOLUME, RIGHT? WHEN RANCHO DITCH STARTS BUILDING UP AND GETS HIGHER AND HIGHER, THAT DITCH WILL HOLD A VOLUME, OK? SO WHEN WE WENT IN SIZE THE PIPE TO CARRY THE FLOW TO CONVEY THE FLOW ONLY FOR THE DESIGNED STORM EVENT.

WHAT HAPPENED IS WE LOST SO MUCH VOLUME IN THE DITCH AND THE WATER STARTED PUSHING BACK INTO RANCHO DITCH OR INTO RANCHO SUBDIVISION AND STARTED FILLING THE STREETS UP AND RANCHO. SO WE MADE THE DECISION AT THAT POINT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER

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ALL WAS CONTAINED INSIDE THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM, THAT WE'RE NOT PUSHING WATER INTO ANY STREET THAT, WE'RE CONTAINING IN THE STORM SYSTEM.

SO WHAT THAT MEANT IS WE HAD TO OVERSIZE THE PIPE BECAUSE WE NEEDED THAT AREA TO HOLD THAT WATER WHEN THE TAIL WATER CAME UP.

SO WITH THAT ON THE WEST SIDE THAT WE LOOKED AT THE 209 ACRES, BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH AT THE TOP OF THE SYSTEM AT 288 B.

WE'LL START OFF RIGHT HERE WITH TWO FIFTY FOUR INCH RCP PIPES AS WE GO ON DOWN THROUGH THE SYSTEM WILL INCREASE THE SIZE TO WHERE EVENTUALLY WE'RE RIGHT AT ABOUT THREE TEN BY FIVE BOXES.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT VOLUME TO KEEP THAT WATER OUT OF THOSE PEOPLE'S SUBDIVISION.

NOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE OUTFALL, REMEMBER THE OUTFALL ON THE WEST SIDE ARE TWO EIGHT BY FIVES, OK.

THAT THOSE TWO EIGHT BY FIVES WILL STAY THERE AND WE'LL PUT A THIRD EIGHT BY FIVE IN THERE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING AND THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IS WHY ARE YOU TAKING THREE TEN BY FIVES INTO TWO INTO THREE, EIGHT BY FIVE? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT PUSHING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER.

THE REASON WHY IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT STORAGE CAPACITY TO KEEP THE WATER FROM PUSHING BACK INTO THAT SUBDIVISION.

AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WE PREVIOUSLY DID, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY GOING ON RIGHT THERE AT THE RANCHO DITCH.

THAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

IT'S FLOWING. IT'S WORKING BEAUTIFULLY.

THE TENSION HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY [INAUDIBLE] ROSE GREEN.

AND ALSO THE CITY IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH [INAUDIBLE] ROSE GREEN AND ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT FOR THE CROSSING.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE FUTURE DETENTION POND OVER THERE OFF OF RANCHO DITCH.

SO IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS AS A REGIONAL DETENTION POND ON THAT SO ONCE [INAUDIBLE] GREEN FULLY DEVELOPS, YOU HAVE THAT MITIGATION ALREADY OFFSET.

SO IT'S A REALLY GOOD SITUATION THAT THE CITY PLANNED TO LIMIT THE OR TO MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF THIS BIG DEVELOPMENT AND HAVING PARTNERS IDENTIFIED THE DEVELOPERS STEPPED UP AND BEEN A BIG PARTNER WITH THE CITY, AND SO IS ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

SO IT'S BEEN A GREAT, A GREAT PARTNERSHIP ON THAT'S BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE.

ON THE EAST SIDE, WE'RE BASICALLY GOING TO START WITH ONE SINGLE 42-INCH PIPE BY THIRTY FIVE AND CONTINUE ON TO A 60-INCH PIPE, 60-INCH PIPE WILL TURN AND OUTFALL WE'LL REPLACE THE EXISTING FORTY EIGHT AND GO WITH THE 16-INCH PIPE.

SO THAT WILL BE THE THE EAST SIDE.

IT'S A MUCH SMALLER SYSTEM THAN.

AND AGAIN, THE REASON WHY IS 209 VERSUS VERSUS 60.

THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON HENDERSON ROAD IS RIGHT.

ABOUT FIFTEEN POINT SIX MILLION DOLLARS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE REMOVING OF THE 16-INCH RCPS THAT ARE AT THE ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL. THOSE HAVE BEEN SAID A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

THAT'S HOLDING THE WATER BACK AND THE DEPTH BEING ABLE TO PUSH BACK, THOSE WILL BE REMOVED. WE LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY TRYING TO UTILIZE THEM TO SAVE SOME MONEY, BUT THEY'RE JUST SET A LITTLE BIT TOO HIGH.

SO WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT DEPTH SO THAT WE CAN GET THE OUTFALLS WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE THEM.

WE ALSO INCLUDED THE COST FOR THE DETENTION POND IN HERE AGAIN.

IF WE WERE ABLE TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT, IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A $2 MILLION SAVINGS TO THE CITY IF WE HAD A PARTNERSHIP.

SO THAT'S ONE THING WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

LOOKING AT ALL THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE AND LOOKING AT THE PAVING IMPROVEMENTS.

THE PAVING IMPROVEMENTS IS 14.1.

THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS 15.6 FOR A TOTAL OF 29.7 MILLION DOLLARS.

SO TO REITERATE FOR EVERYONE LISTENING AT HOME AND THEY'VE BEEN ASKING REPEATEDLY HOW MUCH HENDERSON ROAD IS GOING TO COST TO GET FIXED, IT IS 29.7 MILLION.

NOW, ONE THING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY, VERY, VERY SMART ABOUT IS IN THE PLANNING STAGES IS YOU'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS A SUCCESSFUL, POTENTIALLY SUCCESSFUL GRANT TO HGHC FOR WHAT'S CALLED THE TIP FUNDING THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PROGRAM.

THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PROGRAM TO SUBMIT ON BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR MAJOR EAST-WEST CORRIDOR THROUGH THE CITY, YOU'VE GOT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY THAT YOU'RE IMPROVING, YOU'VE GOT A MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE THAT PEOPLE WALK TO.

YOU'VE GOT PEDESTRIAN, YOU'VE GOT BICYCLES THAT GO TO THE BALLGAMES ON FRIDAY NIGHTS.

I MEAN THIS THIS PROGRAM IS MEANT TO IMPROVE A COMMUNITY THAT'S GROWING, AND WE'VE GOT THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE ON THAT NORTH SIDE.

SO I THINK THAT THAT MAY BE A POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO PROCEED

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FORWARD WITH. BUT LET ME JUST INTERJECT.

SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR BREAKDOWN SLIDE THERE JOHN? RIGHT THERE. SO IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE BOTTOM ABOUT REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION, SO THERE'S I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO FOR SMALL AMOUNTS THAT WE CAN WE MAY NOT HAVE THE CHANNEL TO GET THERE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IF WE START SECURING THAT STUFF, THEN EVENTUALLY WHEN WE DO THIS, WE'RE THERE AND WE'RE PAYING TODAY'S LAND PRICES INSTEAD OF FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW OR TOMORROW.

RIGHT. SO AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE], THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO THAT ARE, I THINK THAT'S A WORTHWHILE INVESTMENT.

YEAH, I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE BREAKDOWN.

DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE EAST VERSUS THE WEST? I CAN. GIVE A PROBABLE, WHAT STARTS FIRST, THE WEST SIDE OF THE EAST SIDE? I'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST YOU HAVE TO START AT THIRTY FIVE AND MOVE BACKWARDS.

THAT'S THE KEY. SO COULD YOU GO FROM BUCHTA TO THIRTY FIVE AND BREAK OFF THAT PORTION FIRST? THIS, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT YOUR BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IF YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST.

I'M JUST PULLING NUMBERS OUT OF THE AIR RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST $4 MILLION OR $6 MILLION ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU'RE ONLY REALLY HELPING OUT, WE JUST SAID SIXTY ACRES, RIGHT VERSUS YOU SPEND ANOTHER THREE OR $4 MILLION, YOU'RE HELPING OUT TWO HUNDRED ACRES.

AND THEN THE LARGER THE PROJECT IS WITH ANYTHING, THE BIGGER IT IS, THE CHEAPER IT IS.

YOU GET SOME EFFICIENCIES IN THAT PROCESS.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN GET A GRANT FOR WHAT WE MIGHT NOT OR MATCHING OR WHATEVER ELSE IF THERE'S SOME THAT WE CAN BREAK OFF OURSELVES AND TAKE CARE OF.

YEAH, I COULD PULL THOSE NUMBERS OUT FOR YOU.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YEAH.

AS LONG AS THE KEY IS, JOHN, YOU JUST START AT THE OUTFALL.

IF YOU START AT THE OUT, WHICH WHATEVER OUTFALL WE PICK.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE EAST SIDE IS A SMALLER SIDE.

SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING WITH THE CITY FUNDED, IT WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE. THAT WOULD BE YOUR WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO FOCUS IN ON.

DOES THAT INTERSECTION AT BUCHTCA AND HENDERSON, THAT'S CONCRETE AND KIND OF RAISED UP, DOES THAT ALL HAVE TO CHANGE AND BE TORN OUT TO DO THIS? OR DOES IT STAY IN ITS CURRENT? I'LL HAVE TO. WELL,IF WE LOOKED AT THE DRAINAGE.

WE LOOKED AT THE THE PAVING STUDY SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TURN LANES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TEAR ALL THAT OUT.

YEAH. WITH IT BEING A BOULEVARD SECTION TOO, YOU WANT TO TRY TO LOWER.

THE THING WITH THE BOULEVARD SECTION IS YOU WANT THE YOU WANT THE RIGHT AWAY TO BE HIGHER AND THEN DRAIN TO THE STREET AND THE STREET BECOMES PART OF YOUR COLLECTION SYSTEM AND PART OF YOUR STORAGE SYSTEM.

SO IT'S GOING TO CHANGE KIND OF THE DYNAMICS OF HOW THE THE ROAD WORKS.

BUCHTA IS ALREADY CONCRETE GOING THROUGH THERE, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY CHANGE MUCH OF ELEVATION OFF THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] IN THE DESIGN.

YEAH, YEAH. AND THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT TOO, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THERE ON BRUSHY BOW, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT A SHEET FLOW ANALYSIS IF WE LOWER IT, IS IT GOING TO ALLOW WATER TO COME OUT? YOU KNOW, IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO.

AND LIKE CECIL SAID, IT'LL WORK OUT IN THE DESIGN.

YOUR ELEVATION AT BUCHTA ARE PRETTY MUCH CONTROLLED BY THE BRIDGE THAT'S THERE.

RIGHT.

WE HAD FUNDED A RIGHT OF WAY MAPPING AND ALL THAT IS THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY.

I'M GOING TO HAVE THAT PUT TOGETHER.

WE USE THAT INFORMATION FOR THIS THING.

WE ACTUALLY USE THE ELEVATION SHOTS IN THIS, IN THE MODEL.

THE RIGHT OF WAYS ARE BETWEEN 70.

I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING THAT OUT TONIGHT, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME RIGHT AWAY TAKINGS THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN.

SORT OF IDENTIFIED THE ACQUIRED? YEAH, I'LL HAVE A MAP PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU HERE.

I SEE YOUR REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ONLY FOR THE DETENTION POND.

THAT'S NOT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, FOR WIDENING THE RIGHT AWAY OUT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A FEW PLACES DOWN.

LIKE I SAID, THOSE NUMBERS NEED TO COME FORWARD TOO.

YEAH, WE WILL.

WE WILL HAVE THOSE COME FORWARD.

AND WHEN YOU WHEN YOU MENTION KEEPING WATER OUT OF RANCHO ISABELA SPECIFICALLY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? DRY STREETS, MAX IN THE STREET? WHAT ARE YOU? TRYING TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE CURB, TRYING TO KEEP A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT ATLAS FOURTEEN HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT TO STAY WITHIN THE GUTTER LINE OF THE STREET? WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT'S NOT HOW THE SUBDIVISION WAS DESIGNED.

OK. THAT WASN'T THE CRITERIA.

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AND BACK IN THOSE DAYS, AND IT WAS NOT DESIGNED THAT WAY.

SO WE'RE SPENDING.

WE TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE, BUT THAT'S ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT EXCEED WHAT ANYBODY ELSE GETS IN TOWN. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO HOLD MORE.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR.

YOU KNOW, IT IS NEW, SEE WHAT THINGS COST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KEEP A SUB DIVISION DRY IF YOU WANT TO, BUT YOU NEED BILL GATES TO DONATE HALF OF HIS ESTATE TO DO IT.

AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE US, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO FOR THIS TIP WHATEVER, WHAT YOU CALL IT? TIP FUNDING. TIP. YES, TIP.

AND WE'RE DOING PROJECTS FOR LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE WE'RE DOING THE [INAUDIBLE] ROAD CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

IT'S A TIP FUNDED PROJECT IN [INAUDIBLE], WE'RE LGPB CERTIFIED, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO HAVE ALL THE CERTIFICATIONS AND STUFF, AND WE'RE PART OF THAT.

SO JUST SPEAKING NOT NECESSARILY TO YOU, BUT UP HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE CAN GO AFTER A FEW OF THESE PROJECTS.

THAT HELP US IN ATTRACTING TIP FUNDING? YES. THE ONE THING, IF YOU WERE GOING TO PURSUED FORWARD THAT WOULD HELP YOU WITH TIP FUNDING IS GOING TO BE YOUR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS IF YOU CAN ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAYS PRIOR TO THE PROJECT, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO GO THROUGH AND WITH EVERY, EVERY HOUSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM AND NEGOTIATE A PURCHASE OF 10-FOOT OF THEIR BACKYARD.

AND THAT NUMBER IS NOT IN HERE, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EARLY FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S NOT ALL THE WAY DOWN AGAIN.

THE RIGHT WAY VARIES THROUGHOUT.

THAT'S WHY WE DID THE SURVEY AND WE'LL GET THOSE NUMBERS.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS, CHRIS? SO I THINK WE'VE EATEN A SALAD SUCCESSFULLY AND RECOMMEND WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE MENU. OK.

JOHN, WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT WORD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU [INAUDIBLE] HEALTHY.

AND THANK YOU, STAFF.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, JOHN.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG OUR NUMBER FIFTEEN.

DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE.

[15. Discussion and possible action on an ordinance amending Ordinance No. 20220208-019 ordering a Special Election to be held on May 7, 2022, for the purpose of considering amendments to the city charter of the City of Angleton, Texas; making provisions for the conduct of the election and providing for other related matters relating to the election; providing a severance clause and providing effective date.]

NUMBER 20220208-019 ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON MAY 7, 2022 FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE CONDUCT, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE CONDUCT OF THE ELECTION AND PROVIDING FOR OTHER RELATED MATTERS RELATING TO THE ELECTION, PROVIDING A SEVERANCE CLAUSE AND PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE.

CHRIS, IT'S ME AGAIN.

HEY. SO I'M BACK.

SO WE HAD A GREAT SUCCESSFUL CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE LED BY SOME FANTASTIC VOLUNTEERS.

THE END RESULT, WE CAME UP WITH EIGHTY SIX CHANGES.

I TURNED IT DOWN TO EIGHTY THREE.

RIGHT, OF WHICH EIGHTY THREE WERE REPRESENTED TONIGHT BECAUSE WE BACKED OFF A COUPLE.

SO THOSE EIGHTY THREE ARE PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY FOR CONSIDERATION AND TO MOVE ON TO THE SPECIAL ELECTION.

AND SO WE SEEK YOUR DIRECTION.

SO THE CITY SECRETARY HAS POINTED OUT TO ME THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT YOUR POSITION ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT 17 AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT 18, SO PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER 17 IS SECTION 4.02 DEPARTMENT OF POLICE.

THE REVISION NOW STATES THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE WILL BE ABLE TO BE REMOVED BY THE CITY MANAGER. YOUR OLD PROVISION REQUIRED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

IN YOUR LAST MEETING, YOU SPECIFICALLY STATED THREE SECTIONS THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO ADOPT THE REVISIONS THAT YOUR COMMISSION HAD SAID, AND ONE OF THEM WAS REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER. SO THEREFORE, WE JUST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION THAT WE WOULD BRING THOSE TWO PROVISIONS TO YOUR ATTENTION TO GET CONFIRMATION ON EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS DECIDED.

THAT'S ONE OF THEM.

THE OTHER ONE IS PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER 18 REGARDING SECTION 4.03, THE CITY SECRETARY.

WHAT ABOUT THE CITY SECRETARY? SO IN THAT ONE? WELL, ALL OF THE CITY SECRETARY TALK ABOUT THAT IF SHE WANTS.

WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT HOW THE CITY SECRETARY WOULD STAY THE CITY SECRETARY FOREVER.

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BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

RIGHT NOW, SECTION 4.03 STATES THAT CITY MANAGER, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT A COMPETENT PERSON AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CITY SECRETARY ANSWERING TO CITY COUNCIL VERSUS ANSWERING TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THE REVISION NOW READS [INAUDIBLE] GET THERE.

SORRY, GOT TO GO THROUGH EIGHTY SEVEN.

SO RIGHT NOW AT THE REVISION THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, READS AS FOLLOWS.

THE CITY MANAGER SHALL APPOINT A COMPETENT PERSON AS CITY SECRETARY AND SUCH ASSISTANCE AS A CITY MANAGER DEEMS NECESSARY.

THE CITY SECRETARY OR DESIGNEE SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, SHALL KEEP THE AGENDA AND THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF SUCH MEETINGS AND SHALL AUTHENTICATE ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS.

THOU SHALL PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES AS A CITY MANAGER SHALL ASSIGN AND THOSE ELSEWHERE PROVIDED IN THIS CHARTER AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AS IS TODAY, WHEREAS THAT VERBIAGE IS NOT IN THE RECOMMENDED REVISION.

WE RAISE THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE YOU DECIDED YOU DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THE REVISION ON THE CITY MANAGER PROVISION, WHICH IS 4.1.

RIGHT.

LOOKING AT NUMBER 17, I PROBABLY WOULD [INAUDIBLE] NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROVISION ON 17.

AGREED. JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER DECISIONS WE HAVE MADE, RIGHT? AS FAR AS WHAT WE PULLED FROM THE, HOPEFULLY, THE ELECTION.

BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW.

AS FROM 18? I'M OK WITH THE CITY MANAGER APPOINTING THE COMPETENT PERSON AS THE CITY SECRETARY WITHOUT NEEDING THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOES HAND IN HAND, AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT THAT PERSON THAT THEY WOULD WORK BEST WITH. AND FEEL LIKE THERE, I'M SURE SKILLS AND QUALITIES WOULD MESH WELL WITH IN RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE, GOES HAND IN HAND WITH A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP. SO THAT'S THE DAY TO DAY BUSINESS OF THE CITY.

BUT LIKE A DECISION SUCH AS POLICE CHIEF, I WOULD KEEP IT AS CURRENTLY IS AND THAT CAN BE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WOULD GET ADDRESSED, PERHAPS IN TWO TO FOUR YEARS WHEN WE REVISIT THE CHARTER.

I KNOW BY LAW I BELIEVE WE CAN'T ADDRESS IT AGAIN FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS, BUT AT LEAST.

I'M GOING TO REITERATE ANOTHER, Y'ALL ARE ALL HERE, BUT IF WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO PASS, LET'S SAY EIGHTY TWO OUT OF EIGHTY SIX, I THINK WE SHOULD GO FOR THAT AND GET AS MUCH ACCOMPLISHED TO WHAT MY OPINION IS STREAMLINE AND TO MAKE THIS CHARTER MORE USER FRIENDLY WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT.

I GUESS STATUTES OR EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS THAT WOULD OVERRIDE ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR MUCH DATED CHARTER.

SO YOUR CITY SECRETARY JUST POINTED OUT TO ME ANOTHER PROVISION THAT WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND.

IT'S TO DO WITH THE CITY SECRETARY? OH YEAH ABOUT PAY.

OH YEAH. WELL, HOLD ON BEFORE YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND ON NUMBER 17 AND KEEPING IT CONSISTENT.

ON NUMBER 18, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD THE CITY SECRETARIES, JUST LIKE THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS AND POLICE CHIEF AT THAT POINT.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO MESS WITH THAT AND CHANGE THAT EITHER.

I DO AGREE CITY MANAGER SHALL APPOINT A COMPETENT PERSON AS SECRETARY, BUT RIGHT NOW STILL READS WITH THE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL, RIGHT CURRENTLY? YEAH, I'M SORRY YOUR CHARTER RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING KEEPS THAT IN PLACE ON ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS.

SO WHY WOULD I SINGLE OUT THE CITY SECRETARY TO CHANGE? THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I WOULD STRIKE 17 AND 18 OFF OF HERE AND JUST BE CONSISTENT. BUT I DO THINK THAT ALL OF THAT CAN COME UP IN TWO YEARS.

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SO THE OTHER PROVISION IS 20.

IF YOU LOOK AT AMENDMENT NUMBER 20, THE VERY LAST PROVISION IN THE PROPOSED REVISION READS THE JUDGE, ASSOCIATE AND TEMPORARY JUDGES AND CLERK SHALL SERVE AT THE WILL OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE DEPUTY CLERK SHALL SERVE AT THE WILL OF THE CITY MANAGER.

AND RIGHT NOW, SECTION 405 READS THE JUDGE.

TEMPORARY JUDGES AND CLERK SHALL SERVE AT THE WILL OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE DEPUTY CLERKS SHALL SERVE AT THE WILL OF THE CITY MANAGER.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DIFFERENT, BUT.

I DON'T SEE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. IT SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME.

I'M FINE WITH IT. THE CLERK REFERS TO THE COURT CLERK.

THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR.

SO SHE WOULDN'T BE ANSWERING TO.

THE DEPUTY CLERK ONLY ANSWERS THE CITY MANAGER, NOT THE.

WE HAVE THREE DEPUTY CLERKS AND THEN THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, ACCORDING TO THIS OF COURSE TO Y'ALL. CITY COUNCIL.

AND THE THREE EMPLOYEES UNDER THAT PERSON REPORT TO ME, WHICH TO ME ISN'T LOGICAL.

AND YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN CHARGE OF THAT DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD READ THAT THE DEPUTY CLERK SHALL REPORT TO THE CLERK? THE ASSOCIATE.

CLERK, ASSOCIATE, WHATEVER THE TERM IS, TO REPORT THE CITY MANAGER.

THE ONLY ONES TO REPORT TO US SHOULD BE THE JUDGE AND THE TEMPORARY JUDGE AND ASSOCIATE.

RIGHT. THAT'S IT. SO DEPUTY CLERKS REPORTS TO THE ASSOCIATE, ASSOCIATE REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER. RIGHT.

SO HOWEVER YOU WANT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO FIX THAT.

THE CLERK'S REPORT TO THE ASSOCIATE ASSOCIATE, ASSOCIATE REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THE ASSOCIATE WHO? THE ASSOCIATE, THE CLERK, I DON'T KNOW. THE ADMINISTRATOR.

ADMINISTRATOR, COURT ADMINISTRATOR.

THE JUDGE AND.

[INAUDIBLE] WORK WITH COUNCIL.

AND ASSOCIATE JUDGES OR TEMPORARY JUDGES.

HOWEVER WE DEFINED IT, WORK FOR THE COUNCIL.

THE CLERKS AND THE DEPUTY CLERKS WORK FOR THE CITY MANAGER? YES. YEAH. THAT'S CURRENT ARRANGEMENT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN OPERATING.

OK, I'M COOL WITH THAT.

YEAH, YEAH. THAT MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY REMOVING THE WORD HERE, CLERK SHALL SERVE AT THE WILL OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND MOVING IT TO CLERKS AND DEPUTY CLERK SHALL SERVE AT THE WILL OF CITY MANAGER.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

OK. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE READING THIS CORRECTLY.

SO I WOULD MAKE THAT CHANGE.

YEAH. SO I'M WERE WE TRYING TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ON 17 AND 18? AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.

YES, BECAUSE IT KEEPS IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY STRUCK.

CONSISTENT WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY STRUCK AND I WAS TRYING TO JUST WHICH WE.

THE PROPOSAL FROM THE CHARTER COMMITTEE WOULD BE TO ALLOW A LITTLE MORE DISCRETION ON THE CITY MANAGER.

HOWEVER, WITH CONSULTATION CORRECT IS WHAT WE'VE KIND OF PITCHED OUT THERE.

HOWEVER, THE CITY MANAGER STILL ANSWERS TO US, SO ANY DECISION HE MAKES OR SHE MAKES IN THE FUTURE. SHE IS RISKING THEIR POSITION BY MAKING SUCH, WE GIVE THEM THAT CHANCE TO DO THAT. BUT YEAH, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE COULD BE CONSEQUENCES.

WELL, TO TRY AND CLEAR IT UP AND TO AVOID CONFUSION BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY DECIDED ON SECTION 4.01, WHICH IS CITY MANAGER, YOU DECIDED THAT YOU DID NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU WANTED TO WAIT TO DO THAT.

SO SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT, THEN WE'RE RAISING THE ISSUE THAT THESE OTHER TWO, IN ORDER YOU WILL NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE AGAIN, IN ORDER TO COMPORT WITH WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DECIDED. NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO? YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT ANY ALL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

IT'S YOUR DECISION IN THE END.

BUT THAT'S WHY WE RAISE THIS ISSUE.

CONSISTENCY. EXACTLY.

RIGHT. OK.

GOOD DIRECTION. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] CLARIFICATION.

WE FIND IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND 10 15.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT SEATING AND NEW COMMISSION.

AND I THINK THE ANSWER WAS ALREADY GIVEN.

THE LONGEST TIME YOU CAN WAIT IS FIVE YEARS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE COMMISSION MORE OFTEN THAN THAT OR CHARTER REVIEW.

WHAT'S THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT NUMBER? 10, OH, GOODNESS GRACIOUS, I DON'T KNOW THAT.

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BUT IT'S OK. CHARTER NUMBER WILL DO.

JUNE 15. LET ME GET THERE.

SECTION 1015.

YOU PUT IT IN ORDER BY THAT, ANYWAYS, I THINK, RIGHT? YEAH. NUMBER 22 NO 82, IT'S WAY UNDER ALMOST THE LAST ONE.

OK, I'M WITH YOU. I AM ON AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHTY TWO, WHICH IS SECTION 10.15 EVERY FIVE YEARS THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT AT ITS REGULAR MEETING IN OCTOBER, A CHARTER COMMISSION OF FIVE CITIZENS.

SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

WHICH ALLOWS US TO DO IT EVERY TWO YEARS SHOULD SOMETHING COME UP.

WELL, I THINK YOUR COMMISSION HAD DECIDED THAT ANY YEAH.

OK, THE ANSWER IS YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR CHARTER EVERY TWO YEARS.

YES, BUT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE THE AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATION TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE A CHARTER COMMISSION EVERY TWO YEARS.

SO BECAUSE THAT CAN BE BURDENSOME, RIGHT? SO THE CHARTER COMMISSION IS MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, OK, EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO APPOINT A COMMISSION.

FOR CHANGE AND THEY SAY, OH, WE SEE SOMETHING IN THREE YEARS.

YES, AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT NEGLECT TO DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

OK. THAT WAS A CLARIFICATION.

AND IF WE WERE HELD TO FIVE YEARS, NO MATTER WHAT, BUT YOU CAN.

WELL, SO IT SAYS SHALL.

SO YOU BETTER DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

BUT WE HAVE THE LIBERTY OF COMING BACK.

YES. YES.

TWO YEARS. YES. BECAUSE STATE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT.

OKAY. YES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GO FOR IT.

THANK YOU. I MOVE, WE APPROVE.

ORDINANCE NO.

20220208-19 ORDERING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON MAY 7TH 2022 FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSIDERING AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE CONDUCT OF THE ELECTION AND PROVIDING FOR OTHER RELATED MATTERS DURING THE RELATED ELECTION.

PROVIDING SEVERANCE CLAUSE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE WITH THE CHANGES OF REMOVING AMENDMENTS 17.

WHAT WAS IT, 17, 18 AND THEN AMENDING 20 TO MAKE SURE THAT IT READS THAT THE DEPUTY CLERK AND THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND ONLY THE JUDGE, ASSOCIATE JUDGE OR TEMPORARY JUDGE REPORTS TO THE COUNCIL.

THAT'S MY MOTION.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU GO OVER THERE, MS. FRANCIS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? AYE. ALL THOSE POST SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES. NOW WE'RE GOING INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING IN [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU AUDIENCE FOR STICKING IT OUT WITH US.

WE'RE ALMOST TO THE 10 O'CLOCK HOUR.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING

[16. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on an ordinance amending Ordinance No. 20210810-008 Exhibit “B” Property Phases/Sections and Exhibit “C” Development Standards and District Regulations for the Austin Colony Planned Development Overlay District pursuant to Chapter 28 Zoning, Article III Districts, Sec. 28-62 PD Planned Development Overlay District Three (3) of the Code Of Ordinances of the City Of Angleton; providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and effective date.]

ORDINANCE. NUMBER 20210810-008 EXHIBIT B PROPERTY PHASES SECTIONS AND EXHIBIT C DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DISTRICT REGULATIONS FOR THE AUSTIN COLONY PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWENTY EIGHT ZONING.

ARTICLE THREE DISTRICT SECTION 28-62 PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT THREE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, PROVIDING A STABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR A REPEAL AND EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. WALTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, AS YOU'VE READ, THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE AUSTIN COLONY DEVELOPER TO AMEND THE LAND USE.

I MEAN, THE LAND PLAN AND THE PHASING THEREON, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, TO AMEND VARIOUS PARTS OF EXHIBIT C THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO CORRESPOND TO THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACK UP THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER.

YOU ALSO HAVE IN YOUR BACK UP THE PROPOSAL, NOT THE PROPOSAL, THE RECOMMENDATION OF BOTH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE STAFF, WHICH THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO AT RIGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON FEBRUARY THE 3RD.

SO THE DEVELOPER AGREES WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AGREES WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKUP IN ORDINANCE THAT REFLECTS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE AND THE STAFF.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE.

THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED.

OH, I FORGOT TO MENTION THE PROPOSED LAND PLAN WOULD GO FROM FIVE SECTIONS TO EIGHT AND

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THERE WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN SEVEN LOTS THAT WOULD ALL BE 60 FEET WIDE.

OK. NOW, I DO HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT DID LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 16.

PUBLIC HEARING. OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL SECOND A MOTION.

A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE POSTS THEY'VE SIGNED THAT MOTION CARRIES.

NOW WE'RE IN [INAUDIBLE], SO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED A FORM THAT WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEM NUMBER SIXTEEN.

ONE OF THEM WAS QUITE NOT SURE BASED ON THE TALKING POINTS, IF THEY WERE GOING TO SPEAK BY TALKING TO AN OPPORTUNITY, IF SHE LIKE.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS MR. CARR, SIR YOU CAN BE FIRST UP IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK.

MY NAME IS ROBERT CARR, AND I OWN PROPERTY ON BOTH ENDS OF AUSTIN COLONY.

I OWN PROPERTY AND HERITAGE OAKS AND I OWN THIRTY-FOUR ACRES OF FRONTAGE ON CARR ROAD, WHICH INTERSECTS HENDERSON AND I OWN FRONTAGE ON HENDERSON.

AND I GOT A CONCERN OF TWO CONCERNS.

ONE OF THEM, THE MAIN CONCERN IS ALL THE WATER ON THE OTHER, WHERE THE PROPOSED ROAD WAS TO COME IN AND THAT BEND OF THE ROAD, WHICH I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME REASONS WHY.

I THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA.

BUT ALL THE WATER, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY, I'D SAY, 95 TO 100 ACRES.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPOSED INTERSECTION THAT ALL THAT WATER COMES TO THAT POINT.

ALL THE RUNOFF COMES TO THERE, OTHER THAN THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT BOBBY FORD BOUGHT, WHICH I SOLD HIM.

GOES INTO THE NEW DITCH, WHICH I SOLD ON THAT DITCH.

SO THAT LEFT MAYBE, SAY, 80 ACRES AND I'M NOT INCLUDING [INAUDIBLE].

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE OWNS 25 30 ACRES OVER THERE.

THAT ALSO GOES TO THAT CORNER.

IF THAT PROPOSED ROAD GOES TO THAT CORNER, IT'S A DEATH TRAP ANYWAY, IT'S RIGHT TO THE END OF THE ROAD IT'S DANGEROUS.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR HIM TO TURN LEFT OR RIGHT WITHOUT PROBABLY HAVING TO GET OVER THERE AND BUYING SOME OF ME OR [INAUDIBLE], WHICH I DON'T WANT TO SELL IT OR SOME [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY OVER THERE TO THE RIGHT OR JACK GRAY OR BENNY.

AND ALSO DURING THE I'M REAL CURRENT ON WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.

I'VE BEEN LISTENING ONLINE AND THE DOWNSTREAM STUFF, CHRIS PELTIER TAKES CARE OF.

THAT IS HERITAGE OAKS.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT THE UPS AND I'VE TALKED TO CHRIS ABOUT IT.

HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IF THAT ROAD COMES UP THERE.

THAT'S THE LOWEST SPOT IS A DUCK POND IN THAT ROAD.

AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, THEY'VE JUST KEPT BUILDING THAT ROAD UP AND BUILDING IT UP.

THAT WATER BACKING UP AND BACKING UP.

BUT THROUGH THE YEARS, THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT'S BEEN REAL GOOD TO ME, AND THEY'VE INSTALLED THREE BIG CULVERTS.

WE HAD SOME WHEELING AND DEALING TO DO TO GET THAT DONE.

BUT WE DID IT AND IT HELPED THINGS A LOT.

AND NOW THE WATER GOES FAIRLY WELL, NOT GREAT, BUT FAIRLY WELL ACROSS A CARR ROAD HEADING TOWARDS WAL-MART.

NOW THIS AUSTIN COLONY, BUNCH COME IN HERE AND THEY WANT TO PUT [INAUDIBLE] ROAD IN THERE, WHICH, HEY, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

BUT [INAUDIBLE] ROAD DOES NOT NEED TO HOOK UP IN THAT DEATHTRAP CORNER.

AND ALSO, I'M OVER THERE EVERY DAY.

I HAVE A CROSSING RIGHT THERE THAT I DRIVE INTO MY PROPERTY.

AND I GOT TO LOOK LEFT RIGHT, LEFT A DOZEN TIMES BEFORE I CAN EVEN GET IN THERE WITHOUT GETTING RUN OVER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CARR ROAD LEFT ALONE, WHICH IS MY NAME.

IT'S LEGALLY CARR ROAD HAS BEEN APPROVED.

IT'S DOCUMENTED. IT'S NINE ONE ONE LEAVING MY ROAD IN MY NAME ALONE AND TAKE [INAUDIBLE] AND HOOK IT IN TO JANET OAKS WHERE INTO HERITAGE OAKS, WHERE THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.

AND THE TRAFFIC UP AT ANCHOR.

Y'ALL KNOW THIS. THE TRAFFIC AT ANCHOR AND CARR ROAD.

YEAH. IT'S BRUTAL.

A LIGHT OVER THERE IT [INAUDIBLE] OAKS, IS MY OPINION THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SEE CHANGE.

CHANGE IS HERE. CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AUSTIN COLONY, THEY GOT JUST ENOUGH RIGHT TO DO THEIR THING AS ANYBODY ELSE.

I HAVE NOTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT THEM, BUT THAT ROAD IS CRITICAL TO ME AND MY DRAINAGE AND THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.

AND I WANT IT TO STAY IN MY NAME, TOO, THAT'S REALLY COVERS EVERYTHING CHRIS PELTIER'S,

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HE'S A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.

HE'S KEPT ME UP TO DATE AS GOOD AS HE COULD ON THE INFORMATION THAT HE COULD TELL ME.

AND I WATCH EVERY ONLINE MEETING.

PLUS, I SIT IN HERE FOR HOURS IN THE HERITAGE OAKS DEAL, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SYSTEM AND HOW IT WORKS.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I HOPE YOU TAKE MY CONSIDERATION.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CARR. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL, MS. BETH, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK.

I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT.

WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. OK, WE'LL HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

OK. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST ITEM NUMBER 16.

GO AHEAD, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. RIGHT.

I'M SANDY [INAUDIBLE], THE DEVELOPER OF AUSTIN COLONY, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS ONLY TO CHANGE THE ORDER THAT WE BUILD AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD AND [INAUDIBLE] STREET. WE'RE STILL BUILDING IT.

STILL SAME SPECIFICATIONS.

IT'S JUST IN SECTION ONE.

WE BUILD AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD UP TO THE ENTRANCE TO SECTION ONE.

THEN WE BUILD SECTION ONE A, WHICH TAKES A ROAD UP TO [INAUDIBLE] STREET, AND THEN WE EXTEND [INAUDIBLE] STREET FROM BACK OF WAL-MART.

AND THAT GIVES TWO POINTS OF ENTRANCE AND TWO POINTS OF EXITS FOR THE RESIDENTS AND FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

AND THEN IN SECTION TWO AND SECTION 1A IS LIKE 50 LOTS.

SECTION TWO IS LIKE 50 LOTS.

THEN, WE EXTEND THE STREET TO AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD AND BRING AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD DOWN. SO YOU HAVE AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD UP TO [INAUDIBLE], ALL IN SECTIONS ONE AND TWO.

THAT'S ALL. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S A HUGE COST INCREASES, AND TO MAKE THESE NUMBERS WORK IS CHALLENGING AT BEST.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING IT.

AS IT RELATES TO MR. CARR. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH.

THAT'S THE CITY DOING IT, NOT ME.

OK. ALL RIGHT MR. [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, SIR. I'M SURE WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS THAT MAY POP UP DURING THE DISCUSSION PART AND ACTION PART.

ANYBODY ELSE BEING ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER 16? SECOND, CALL ANYBODY? THIRD CALL? COUNCILMAN.

MR. MAYOR I MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE POST SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DO HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE TABLE. YEAH.

SO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS REALLY AROUND ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE ADDED PHASES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT TO GET THE ROAD THROUGH.

IN SIMPLEST TERMS, CORRECT? I SAID WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DECIDE YOUR COST IS INCREASING ON THE STREET.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS GRANTING YOU A BASICALLY A VARIANCE OR DOING A NEW ORDINANCE SO THAT YOU CAN GET YOUR ROAD THROUGH THROUGH SEVEN PHASES VERSUS WHAT WAS IT, FOUR OR FIVE? WELL, THE MAIN THAT IS NEEDED IS AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD TO [INAUDIBLE] STREET AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] THE STREET OVER TO THE BACK OF WAL-MART. RIGHT.

THAT'S DONE IN TWO PHASES.

WELL, 1A 1B YES.

PHASE ONE.

NOW TO EXTEND [INAUDIBLE] STREET OVER TO CARR STREET IS IS NOT REALLY CREATING ANY VALUE UNTIL THE CITY BUILDS EXTENDS CAR STREET.

THAT'S TRUE. AND BUT WE DO THAT IN SECTION THREE SO WE'RE THROUGH WITH AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD AND [INAUDIBLE] STREET IN THE FIRST THREE SECTIONS.

YEAH, IT'S THREE.

WELL, THE ROAD IS IN GRAY IN SECTION THREE, ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE.

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CORRECT.

EITHER WAY, HE'S CORRECTLY.

UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

WAS IT LINDSEY THAT SAID THAT YOU'RE NOW WANTING TO PROPOSE ALL SIXTIES? NO. WHAT WAS THAT? NO.

SEVEN EXTRAS.

MR. WALTERS COMING UP.

SAY THAT AGAIN FOR ME WALT. ALL.

AS A RESULT OF THEIR PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THEY FOUND SEVEN ADDITIONAL LOTS AT 60 FEET WIDE. SO IT'S FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY TOTAL LOTS.

WAS IT FIVE THIRTY FOUR BEFORE THAT? FIVE, THIRTY THREE.

[INAUDIBLE] SO, MR. RAY, HERE'S. ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

FIRST OFF, THE ROAD, I THOUGHT TIGNER WAS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY TIGNER IS NEXT TO WAL-MART. THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.

SO THE TWO LANES WERE THE CENTER, AND THEN YOU SAID, I DON'T WANT TO DO THE CENTER, AND I SAID, THAT'S FINE TOO, THAT IF YOU WANTED TO JUST HAVE A BOULEVARD STYLE IN THERE, THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE WHENEVER YOU NEEDED TO TURN ONTO AUSTIN.

BUT I'M HEARING NOW THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A TWO LANE ROAD.

NO TIGNER STREET IS TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION WITH A SIX FOOT MEDIUM PLANTED, IRRIGATED AND LIGHTED WITH PREMIUM FENCES.

TOOK THE WORD CEDAR OUT. THANK YOU WALTER.

[LAUGHING] PREMIUM FENCES THAT ARE NICE AND I REALLY HOPEFULLY THAT I'M ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT I WANT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE NICE.

I AGREE. SO TIGNER WILL HAVE TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, PLUS A CENTER [INAUDIBLE].

CORRECT. WHAT JUST LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY DID, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE FINAL PRODUCT, SO THANK YOU FOR VALIDATING THAT. THANK YOU. AND BRINGING THAT UP.

IT IS AN EXPENSIVE ROAD.

YES, SIR. I AGREE.

I'M REAL. AND THEN LET ME ASK YOU AGAIN ABOUT THAT.

I CAN ALREADY SEE THE EYES FROM DOUG STARING AT ME HERE ON THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

WE SAID SIX YEARS, FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS.

HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO GET THE SECTION THREE? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE ME TO GET TO SECTION THREE? YES, SIR. TELL ME WHAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS GOING TO DO TO INTEREST RATES? TELL ME WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO TELL ME IF THEY'RE GOING TO QUIT BUYING MORTGAGE BACKED SECURITIES. TELL ME WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN ALL THE GOODS AND SERVICES TO STOP THE INFLATION. IF ALL THAT OCCURS LIKE WE ALL HOPE.

PROBABLY PRAY FOR, THEN YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD SETTLE DOWN IN A YEAR AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO ABOUT A HUNDRED LOTS A YEAR.

SO ALSO, WE'RE HOPING AND IT'S A HOPE TO ACCELERATE THAT WE NEVER STOPPED BUILDING, NEVER STOPPED CONSTRUCTING LOTS AND THAT WE MAY EVEN HAVE SOME EXTRA LOTS.

I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DO SECTION 1 AND 1A TO OPEN THAT UP.

SO YOU PROBABLY BE THREE YEARS, THREE TO FOUR YEARS IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF A HICCUP, IF WE HAVE A 2008 AND THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS IF WE'RE DELAYING THE THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS.

RIGHT. AND I'VE ONLY GOT FIVE YEARS FOR THAT TO BE COMMERCIAL.

THEN BY THE TIME YOU FINISH, IT ALL HINGES ON THAT ROAD GETTING FINISHED, WHICH THE CITY UNDERSTANDS. WE'RE ON THE HOOK.

AND I AGREED TO MR. CARR'S POINT THAT TIGNER DOES NEED TO GO INTO ENCHANTED OAKS DRIVE AND IT NEEDS TO BE A TRAFFIC CONTROL LIGHT THERE.

BUT THAT DOESN'T.

IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, NO ONE WOULD BUY THAT AS COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY.

NOBODY CAN GET TO IT EASILY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ON TRAFFIC COUNTS, RIGHT? YOU WANT SIX YEARS? I'VE GOT TO GET YOU BECAUSE I THINK YOU DO HAVE A GOOD POINT.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU TIE IT TO THE COMPLETION OF THE ROAD, SO IT'S NOT SIX YEARS FROM, IT'S FIVE YEARS I MEAN, I'M JUST ONE PERSON UP HERE, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THE COMPLETION OF

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THE ROAD IS GOING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT DID AT THE END OF WAL MART STREET RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT A PASTURE OUT THERE WITH NOTHING EVER BUT COWS OUT THERE, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW SOON HE GETS THAT ROAD OUT THERE UNTIL THE COUNTY MOVES FORWARD AND GETS A NEW ALIGNMENT OF CARR ROAD DOWN THROUGH THERE.

AND I DON'T JUST WANT TO IMPOSE A HARDSHIP ON MR. WRIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO GET DONE LIKE HE SAYS, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHAT THE RUSKIES AND THEM [INAUDIBLE] UKRAINE.

YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE CLOSING SHOP AROUND HERE AND GOING AND SUITING UP, I DON'T KNOW.

I THOUGHT WE TIED A NUMBER OF YEARS TO THE NUMBER OF SECTIONS.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE THING.

IT GAVE US, HE GAVE US SOME.

HE GAVE US A DATE FOR SECTION 7 THAT HE WOULD HOLD THAT OPEN AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT . MARKETED FOR COMMERCIAL UNTIL THE [INAUDIBLE] WHATEVER DATE THAT IS.

WE SAID FIVE YEARS AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE.

YEAH. BUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS DON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE OR IF YOU'RE GOING FOUR.

DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

BUT I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN BOOTH JUST SAID ABOUT THAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A VALUABLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT UNTIL YOU OPEN UP CARR ROAD.

AND THAT'S THAT'S YOU ALL HAVE CONTROL OF THAT.

THAT'S NOT MY JOB. THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT.

MR. RAY. I APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU AND THE CITY STAFF, HOW YOU ALL WORKED WITH EACH OTHER ON GETTING THIS, GETTING THIS PUZZLE PUT TOGETHER.

I COULD TELL THAT IF TIGNER STREET WAS TO BE.

IF YOU'D BEEN MADE TO DO TIGNER STREET BY ITSELF OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PASTURE, THAT IT WAS GOING TO INCUR A HUGE EXPENSE FOR ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH JUST FOR TIGNER STREET BY ITSELF.

OH, I WAS GOING TO MAKE UP A HUGE EXPENSE, SO THIS IS THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IN DOING IT PIECEMEAL LIKE THIS, GETTING IT, GETTING IT DONE IN THESE SECTIONS.

THANK YOU. THERE IS ONE THING MR. WRIGHT? WE ARE WORKING WITH SEVERAL GROUPS BECAUSE WE OWN 15.

IN ADDITION TO YOUR COMMERCIAL RESERVE, WE OWN 15 ACRES.

AND WE'RE TALKING TO SOME OTHER GROUPS.

WE WOULD WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.

SO IT IS A PROBLEM WITH COUNCILMAN BOOTH SAID.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET THAT OPEN AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY TO GET THE INCOME AND WE NEED SOME CASH TO FINISH THIS TO DO THIS PROJECT.

THESE NUMBERS ARE CHALLENGING AND YOU ALL LIVE WITH IT EVERY DAY.

I MEAN, YOU ALL JUST WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS GOING TO COST YOU FIVE OR 10 MILLION DOLLARS TO WIDEN THE STREETS COULD COST $30, RIGHT TODAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIVE WITH THE SAME ISSUES.

YEAH, I AGREE.

I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN BOOTH AND I ARE SAYING IS THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT ALL HINGES ON TIGNER ROAD, BEING THROUGH TO ANCHOR AND CARR COMING DOWN TO IT.

THAT, TO ME, IS THE LINCHPIN IN ALL THIS.

THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR.

BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MARKET IT FASTER THAN THAT.

AND WE'LL GO.

I MEAN, WE CAN. I MEAN, I LIKE WHAT CITY MANAGER CHRIS SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE YEARS AFTER THE ROAD IS FINISHED.

BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ONE PERSON UP HERE.

WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ON POINT HERE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER WHAT MR. CARR SAID, AND THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING AND MAKING SURE IT'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WORKING TO CONNECT TIGNER CLOSE TO THE ENCHANTED OAKS ENTRANCE.

AGREE. I THINK THAT'S BUT THAT MAKES EVERYTHING THAT'S THE LINCHPIN.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY I THINK SAID, WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING, BUT THAT STRIP DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MR. RAY DOES UNTIL WE GET THAT LINED OUT.

IT CONNECT ANCHOR TO TIGNER WHEREVER WE DECIDE TO ACTUALLY ENDS UP GETTING PUT.

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ALTHOUGH I DO LIKE ENCHANTED OAKES CONNECTION, AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED INTERSECTION. THAT'S RIGHT.

THOSE 4 WAY LIGHTS AND, BUT WHICH WILL MAKE SENSE FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT REASONS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THIS NEW PARK THAT WILL BE HOPEFULLY ONLINE BY THE END OF THE SUMMER.

IT'S A NICE SUBDIVISION, OBVIOUSLY [INAUDIBLE] YOU HAVE..

THE SCHOOL. SCHOOL THAT'S RIGHT THERE.

IT'S PROBABLY ONLY GOING TO GROW AT TIME.

SO IT'S, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE OF PEOPLE AND LISTENING, BUT IT IS ON US TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND I SAY US, I MEAN, THE CITY OF ANGLETON, IT'S OUT OF THEIR HANDS. SO WE DO THAT, MAYBE THAT DOES BECOME A VIABLE COMMERCIAL LOCATION, IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.

YOU KNOW.

MAKES JOHN HAPPY, MAKES MR. RAY HAPPY [INAUDIBLE] I HOPE WE CAN CALL WITH A, I WON'T CALL IT A JOINT VENTURE, BUT THE EFFORT BETWEEN THE CITY AND OUR COUNTY STAFF ABLE TO SWING THE SWING THIS PROJECTION THROUGH THEIR CARR ROAD AND TAKE TIGNER ROAD INTO IT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WITH A VIDEO UP THERE.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE CAN DRESS THIS ITEM, MAYBE HAVE STAFF AND MR. RAY HIS GROUP AND OUR GROUP VISIT AND THEY CAN COME BACK WITH US AND SEE A PLAN TO DO THE IF WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND IT A YEAR OR HOWEVER, WE WANT TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

IF THERE'S SOME WORDING WE NEED TO DO FOR AN AMENDMENT TO OUR AGREEMENT TO GET MAYBE MORE TIMELINE BECAUSE LIKE YOU'RE RIGHT, THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION CAN WE DO NOT? WE HAVE AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

NO, WE DON'T.

WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW AND BOND COUNCIL REVIEW, AND I MADE THE REPRESENTATION IN THAT MEETING THAT IF THERE WERE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, WE WOULD BRING IT BACK.

OK.

SO IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS, SO TO SPEAK.

OK. JUST CONSIDER IT A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE.

I WOULD THINK SO. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE, YES.

SO WE ALL ARE STILL WORKING THAT AVENUE, THEN MAYBE THIS NEEDS TO BE PIGGYBACKED INTO Y'ALL. I REALLY, TRULY BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK BECAUSE THE OUR BOND COUNCIL, OUR BOND, THE FINANCE, OUR FINANCIAL PEOPLE, EVERYONE'S TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO PUT THE BONDING, TO MAKE THE BONDING WORK AND GET IT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

OK, SO SINCE WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE INSERTED THERE, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WILL COME BACK.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY TIME ON WHEN YOU THINK WE COULD GET THAT? I HAVE NO IDEA, BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S WITH FMS, IT'S WITH BOND COUNCIL.

THEY'RE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT IT CAN BE BONDED.

I MEAN, IF IT CAN'T BE BONDED AND IT CAN'T HAVE A PID, IT CAN'T BE A BOND PID ANYWAY.

SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO PASS THE DUE DILIGENCE AND GET ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED FROM YOU TO MAKE IT WORK ON A BOND FRONT.

OK. SO, NO, I DON'T KNOW.

HOW CAN STAFF RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS IF YOU'RE NOT? THIS IS JUST THE PD.

THIS IS JUST THE RE-ZONE.

EXCUSE ME. SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

WE DO THIS TONIGHT, JUST Y'ALL WORK OUT THOSE BACK LINE DETAILS.

YES. THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

THIS IS THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.

YEAH, THIS WAS THIS WAS DEVELOPER DRIVEN.

SO THE DEVELOPER DECIDED I WANT TO CHANGE.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND NOW WE'VE [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSSION.

BUT OK, GO AHEAD, WALTER.

THE COMMERCIAL AREA.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF REVERSION CLAUSES AND PD OR ANY OTHER ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S THE FIVE YEARS.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT SIX, WE CAN MAKE IT SIX.

IF YOU WANT TO JUST MAKE IT COMMERCIAL AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY COME BACK, IF THEY CAN'T MARKET IT AS COMMERCIAL AND HAVE SOMEBODY COME BACK AND ASK TO REZONE IT TO A TO THE RESIDENTIAL AS PRESENTED IN THE LAND PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT I ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR, WAS THAT IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL, BUT WE SETTLED ON THIS AGREEMENT. OK, MAYBE FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THIS AND THEN Y'ALL CAN WORK OUT THIS EXTENSION PERIOD, SHOULD THAT HAPPEN? OH GOOD. SO WHAT WHAT WALTER IS SAYING IN IN ANOTHER MANNER IS THAT THE EXHIBIT ALL THAT

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YOU'RE CHANGING THIS ORDINANCE IS ONLY CHANGING THE EXHIBITS TO THE PD.

OK, SO THE EXHIBITS IN THE EXHIBIT, IT STATES THE FIVE YEARS.

SO YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY RIGHT NOW TO STATE THAT YOU WANT THAT THAT PROVISION OF THIS ORDINANCE CHANGED.

SO. YOU WOULD SO THAT DOOR IS OPEN, SO YOU CAN DO THAT NOW IN WHATEVER FASHION THAT, BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE US EXPLORE, MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE MAKE THAT CHANGE.

THAT'S JUST ME. WELL, THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS GOING TO REFERENCE WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.

SO IF YOUR ORDINANCE SAYS THAT WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE, THE THEN CURRENT OWNER OWNER SHALL BE AUTOMATICALLY AND WITH NO ADDITIONAL LEGISLATIVE ACTION, BE PERMITTED TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY STEPS TO CONSTRUCT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THEN YOU CAN CHANGE THAT NOW.

THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING CHANGES THAT WOULD GO INTO DEVELOPMENT.

OK. COUNCIL, YOU HEARD THE ADVICE OF THE ATTORNEY.

ARE THERE ANY TAX IMPLICATIONS OF HAVING A COMMERCIAL? LIKE, I'M GOING TO BE PAYING MORE TAXES ON IT, OR I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S OUT OF MY BAILIWICK.

YEAH. THERE SHOULDN'T BE THE COUNTY TAXES ON THE BASIS OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, AND IF THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, WHAT DO YOU WHAT ARE YOU TAXING? YOU'RE TAXING THE GROUND.

SO MY OPINION WOULD BE NO.

JUDITH, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ON THE THE NUMBER OF YEARS, WHERE IS IT? HOLD ON MR. RAY. GO TO PAGE THREE TWENTY NINE OF THE PACKET.

AND UNDERNEATH THE FIRST PAGE OF THAT EXHIBIT IS THE CHART, AND THEN YOU GO DOWN TO REGULATIONS FOR PHASE FIVE, AS IDENTIFIED BY EXHIBIT B.

GOT IT. NUMBER TWO.

GO AHEAD, MR. RAY. TO PUT THIS AS COMMERCIAL AND HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET COUNCIL VOTE TO GET A SINGLE FAMILY IS A SIGNIFICANT TRADE CHANGE AND IT WOULD HAVE COULD HAVE VERY SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE IT'S ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE SET OUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO BE REAL OR NOT, BUT THEY'VE GOT TO GO IN PROJECTIONS AND YOU PROJECT THAT OUT WITHOUT A SINGLE FAMILY.

AND WE'VE DONE IT AND IT JUST KILLS THE DEAL.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO SIX YEARS OUT WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.

BUT YOU GO BEYOND THAT AND IT STARTS CREATING SERIOUS PROBLEMS AND THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR COUNCIL VOTE.

IT WAS IS IT IS CHANGING THE DEAL.

IT'S NOT WHAT WE AGREED TO.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND AGAIN, MR. RIGHT, I'M WITH YOU. I'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

I HEARD HE OFFERED TO CHANGE IT TO SIX.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE 20210810-008 EXHIBITS B AND C AS PRESENTED.

I'LL SECOND.

MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I'M I TRUST YOU, MR. RAY, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN TO GET THAT COMMERCIAL.

IT'S A LINCHPIN IN YOUR WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

SO FIVE YEARS OR SIX YEARS, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE THERE.

WHEN DOES THIS SAY FIVE YEARS FROM? EFFECTIVE DATE.

WHAT'S THE EFFECTIVE DATE? DEFINE THAT.

FIRST.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE WORD IN STATE.

YEAH, FROM THE EFFECT FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT.

WHICH IS WHAT TODAY? YEAH, [INAUDIBLE] ALL I'M SAYING AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, I DON'T REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND BREAKING NEWS, BUT YOU TOLD ME THAT.

IT WOULD BE FIVE YEARS FROM THE DAY WE STARTED MOVING DIRT.

YOU HAVEN'T MOVED A THING.

WHY WOULD WE DO FIVE YEARS FROM FROM A TIME THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THAT THERE IS GOING

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TO BE MOVED? I THOUGHT IT WAS EFFECTIVE OF THE DAY WE WE STARTED MOVING DIRT AS WELL.

LET ME JUST REMIND YOU THAT THIS CHANGE IN THIS ORDINANCE WAS REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER.

SO WHAT YOU ARE REMEMBERING COULD BE CORRECT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY MADE A CHANGE. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO.

I REALLY DON'T CARE BETWEEN JOHN'S IDEA AND MR. RAY'S IDEA. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I ACTUALLY REMEMBER BEING STATED FROM THAT PODIUM WAS THAT IT WOULD BE FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE BECAUSE I SAID, BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU PICK THIS AND YOU SMILE AND LAUGHED AT ME BECAUSE YOU KNEW I WAS THINKING LIKE AN ATTORNEY HERE. AND BECAUSE I KNOW THINGS DON'T ALWAYS MOVE AS RAPIDLY, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO START TOMORROW WITH PUSHING DIRT OUT, I MEAN, JUST I JUST REALITY IS IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. AND SO IF IT TAKES A YEAR AND A HALF TO TO GET TO WHERE WE EVEN HAVE SOME.

CONCRETE POURED, I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR ONE IN 18 MONTHS OF THE, YOU KNOW, 60 MONTHS.

I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

NO, I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING THAT, BUT I COULD I.

I CAN ACCEPT THE FACT THAT I'VE SAID IT BECAUSE I WAS ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD BE MOVING DIRT SHORTLY AFTER YOU GET A FINAL PLAT.

BECAUSE AND I'VE BEEN IN MANY CITIES AND DONE MANY OF THESE DEALS.

THEY GENERALLY START CONSTRUCTION.

IN SOME CASES, THEY START CONSTRUCTION THE NEXT DAY.

COUNCIL APPROVES THE FINAL PLAT.

IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE DON'T HAVE A PID REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT AND I DON'T.

THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT.

SO YOU'VE GOT A GOOD POINT THERE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH SAYING, WELL, WHY DON'T WE SAY FIVE YEARS AFTER THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED BY THE CITY? SO WE GOT TO DEVELOP SECTION ONE, THE BUILDER HAS TO BUILD A BUILD BUILDING PERMIT.

HE PULLS THAT BUILDING PERMIT, THAT STARTS YOU FIVE YEARS AND THAT'LL THAT REALLY..

THAT SEEMS MORE THAN FAIR. I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE DIALOG GOING HERE BEFORE SOMETHING GETS CHECKED OFF AND OPPORTUNITIES ARE MISSED.

GO AHEAD, WALTER. BEFORE ANYBODY CAN GO OUT AND START PUSHING DIRT AROUND ON THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO GET A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT FIVE YEARS FROM THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THAT WOULD BE WHEN THEY CAN MOVE DIRT.

MR. BOOTH, YOU HAVE TO AMEND YOUR MOTION.

IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

MOVING DIRT AND ALL THAT IS SO WEATHER DEPENDENT DOWN HERE YOU GO TO HIS DATE OF BIRTH PERMIT, BUILDING PERMIT, HEALTH PERMIT, YEAH, THEN THAT'S I LIKE THAT AND YOU'LL BE MOVING FORWARD HARD TO GET THAT.

YEAH, YOU WANT A MINUTE TO REFLECT THAT? HOLD ME AND MY A MOTION TO REFLECT UNDER REGULATIONS FOR PHASE FIVE, ITEM TWO, WITHIN FIVE YEARS OF THE DATE OF THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT ON SECTION ONE.

AND I'LL AMEND MY SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT AND A SECOND TO THE AMENDMENT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. THAT MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ONE. THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIDE.

AYE. THAT MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ONE.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER 17 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A VARIANCE TO

[17. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on a variance to the maximum height requirement for ground signage of Section 21.5-7.(3).a.3.(ii) and a variance to the maximum sign square footage requirement for ground signs of Section 21.5.-7.(3).a.3.(i) for property located on the northwest corner of the SH 288/SH 35 intersection.]

MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT FOR GROUND SIGNAGE OF SECTION 21.5-7 () CLOSE OPEN OPEN CLOSE THREE A THREE TWO.

AND [INAUDIBLE] THE MAXIMUM SIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR THE GROUND SIGNS OF SECTION 21.5.-7.3A35 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH HIGHWAY 288 SOUTH HIGHWAY THIRTY FIVE INTERSECTION.

WALTER, THANK YOU.

MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

THIS IS A SIGN VARIANCE, TWO SIGN VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE BUCEE'S AT STATE HIGHWAY 35 AND 288.

RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIXTY FIVE FOOT SIGN WITH THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN SQUARE FEET OF SIGN AREA.

THEY ARE. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A VARIANCE TO HAVE 100 FOOT SIGN WITH ABOUT 580 SQUARE FEET

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OF SIGN AREA.

THERE ARE SOME TWO CRITERIA AND YOUR SIGN REGULATIONS.

THE SOLE REASONING THAT WE RECEIVED WHICH YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKUP IS AMOUNTS TO A BIGGER, TALLER SIGN IS EASIER TO SEE ON THE HIGHWAY, WHICH IT'S HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT LOGIC BECAUSE IT'S TRUE, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SATISFY THE CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR SIGN REGULATIONS FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE.

THE QUESTION WOULD PROBABLY COME UP WELL, HOW TALL IS THE SIGN AT THE PILOT AND THAT SIGN IS 100 FEET TALL AND IT'S NEARLY 1100 SQUARE FEET OF SIGN AREA.

THE FORD SIGN IS WE COULDN'T FIND ANY PAPERWORK ON THAT IT.

I WOULD ESTIMATE IT TO BE ABOUT 80 FEET TALL.

IT PROBABLY MEETS THE 300 SQUARE FOOT SIGN AREA REQUIREMENT.

BUT JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER SIGNS THAT EXCEED THE CITY'S CURRENT SCIENCE STANDARDS IS NOT REALLY A BASIS ALSO TO GRANT A VARIANCE.

THE PILOT SIGN WAS DONE IN 2016 JULY OF 2016.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PREDATES THE CITY'S CURRENT SIGN REGULATIONS OR NOT.

LONG STORY SHORT, AFTER REVIEWING ALL THE INFORMATION, STAFF CAN'T RECOMMEND THIS VARIANCE. IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA IN THE IN YOUR SIGN REGULATIONS, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF BOTH THE INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT AND THE INCREASE IN THE SIGN AREA.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, WALTER. THIS B LOCATION WOULD BE NOT TOO FAR FROM PERHAPS.

FUTURE, WHAT WE CALL IT, MONUMENTAL DOCUMENTATION OR WHAT DO WE CALL IN THAT AREA? GATEWAY. GATEWAY.

SO COULD IT POTENTIALLY COMPETE WITH WHAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE FUTURE OR HAVE HIGH HOPES FOR THE FUTURE ANYWAY? I'LL SPEAK TO THAT. SO YOU DO HAVE GATEWAY MONUMENTAL MAPPING ON THIS ROADWAY, WHICH IS THE I BELIEVE IT'S 523 IS THE NEAREST EXIT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD DIRECTLY COMPETE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE OFF OF PROPERTY DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO SH 288.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD DENY THEM THE THE SIGN WHEN THE OTHER SIDE IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM THEM ARE JUST AS TALL.

I MEAN, I HEARD YOU, WALTER, BUT I'M KIND OF CONFUSED AS TO WHY WE DENIED THEM, BUT WE GRANTED IT FOR THE OTHERS.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THERE WAS A VARIANCE GRANTED FOR THE THE LOVES, YEAH, THE LOVES, PARDON, NOT THE PILOT, THE LOVES THERE WAS THE FOURTH SIDE, BUT I REMEMBER IT BEING GRANTED THE THE FORD SIGN, WE COULDN'T FIND ANY PAPERWORK ON IT AT ALL.

SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR POINT, BUT EACH VARIANCE HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN MERITS AND NOT ON THE BASIS OF GRANTING A VARIANCE FOR SOME OTHER SIGN.

THERE IS NO DEMONSTRATION OF ANY HARDSHIP ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.

NO DEMONSTRATION OF HOW A BIGGER, TALLER SIGN IS GOOD FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON WHEN YOUR SIGN REGULATIONS ARE DESIGNED TO HAVE LOWER, LESS LARGE SIGNAGE ALONG THE HIGHWAY FRONTAGE, SO I COULDN'T FIND A GOOD REASON TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT.

THANK YOU WALTER. AND THEN I WAS JUST ALSO GIVEN A SIDE NOTE, A PUBLIC HEARING, GUYS, SO WE CAN I KNOW WE'RE GOING BACK.

THE CARING AND THEN SEE IF ANYBODY AND THEY WILL.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE. WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I HEARD IN MY GOOD EAR.

[INAUDIBLE] ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

OK, NOW WE'RE AT PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IS THERE ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER 17? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GREG BRIQUETTE.

I'M WITH THE APEX SEEING GROUP.

WE DO THE SIGNAGE FOR BUC-EE'S ALL AROUND THE STATE, AND NOW THAT THEY'RE OPENING UP LOCATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY, WE'RE DOING THOSE ALSO.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY INEVITABLY WHEN THEY LOCATE A SITE IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION,

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SIGNAGE IS THE NUMBER ONE ASPECT THAT THEY LOOK AT AND WHEN EVALUATING A SITE AND WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO IT.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS ONE IS ALREADY OPEN.

IT'S BEEN HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

BUC-EE'S HAS LOOKED AT LOCATION.

THEY EVALUATED THAT THEY DO NEED A PYLON SIGN THERE, AND THIS PYLON SIGN IS ONE OF THEIR STANDARDS THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH HAVE AROUND NINETY FIVE PERCENT OF THE LOCATIONS AROUND THE STATE. MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN ALLOWED BY A VARIANCE OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE NORMAL CODE WOULD BE FOR A LOT OF CITIES.

THAT IS A VERY LARGE SIGN, BUT IT'S BEEN A VERY ACCEPTED SIGN TO HAVE IN VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES. THE 100 FOOT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS NEEDED TO GAIN ENOUGH VISIBILITY TO GIVE TRAFFIC ENOUGH TIME TO EXIT.

YOU DON'T SEE THAT LOCATION LIKE YOU DO MOST OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND HIGHWAYS THAT HAVE THIS SIZE OF SIGN.

SO THEY DO FEEL THIS IS VERY ADEQUATE.

THEY'VE DONE THE HEIGHT SURVEYS ON IT TO SEE WHAT WOULD ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM VISIBILITY.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THEIR STANDARD SIGNS THAT THEY HAVE ALL AROUND THE STATE OF TEXAS AND EVEN LARGER ONES THAT WE'RE DOING.

THEY ARE VERY AMENABLE TO DOING THE CITY PANEL THAT READS ANGLETON, AND A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE BEEN VERY ACCEPTING AND REALLY WANTING THAT ON THEIR STRUCTURES, AND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON NOW FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS AT THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS THAT THEY'VE BEEN MOVING INTO.

SO WE DO REALLY THEY REALLY ARE STRONGLY PUSHING TO TRY TO GET THIS SIGN AT THAT HEIGHT AND SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR GUARANTEEING MS. ANGLETON PANEL. SO WE'RE SAYING, OH YEAH, IT'S ON THE STREET.

YES, IT WILL BE ON THERE.

IT'S A FIVE BY FIVE AND A HALF FOOT BY 25 FOOT PANEL BELOW THE BUC-EE'S LOGO THAT WILL READ ANGLETON. SO IT DEFINITELY IDENTIFIES THE CITY.

CAN IT SAY WHERE BUC-EE'S HEART IS? CAN IT SAY WHAT? PUT THE ANGLETON HEART ON THERE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

THERE WAS. OK, GO AHEAD.

APPRECIATE. NO, WE DON'T INTERACT.

BUT IF WE HAVE A QUESTION WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTION ITEM PART, I'VE DONE MANY OF THESE THROUGHOUT MY YEARS.

SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE.

OK. NEXT UP.

HERE WE GO. CHRIS PELTIER, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION 17 YEARS AGO, AND THE OWNER OF BUC-EE'S AND A STATE REP CAME TO MY HOUSE, SIT DOWN AND HEARD THE JOKES.

THEY TALKED TO ME ABOUT THE CONCERNS AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] WITH BUC-EE'S AGREED THAT WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE SITE FOR THE IDENTICAL SIGN HE HAS IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TODAY.

AND THAT LOCATION ISN'T WHERE THEY PROPOSED IN 17 YEARS AGO, WASN'T IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW.

WHETHER PROPOSING NOW IS MORE TO THE NORTH, WHERE ANYBODY IN HERITAGE OAKS, LONG HORNER STATES, OAKWOOD CREEK ESTATES, WESTERN AVENUE, THEY LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOW.

THEY'RE GOING TO SEE NOTHING AGAINST BUC-EE'S, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO SEE 100 FOOT TALL BEAVER. YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE WINDOW.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUNSET, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS BIG GIANT SIGN.

SO HE AGREED AND THIS WAS OWNER OF BUC-EE'S SAID THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE PLACE AFTER COMING TO VISIT HERITAGE OAKS BACK THEN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED, WHETHER IT'S THE [INAUDIBLE] OR IF IT WAS JUST TRYING TO STANDARDIZE THEIR SIGNS.

BUT AS MEGAN SAID, ANGLETON IS FINALLY DOING SOME THE GATEWAY SIGNS OR TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW THAT KIND OF LANDMARK IS WHAT WE WANT THERE.

IT'S JUST IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE ANYMORE THAN IT DID BACK THEN.

AND AS FAR AS WALTER SAID ABOUT PRIOR VARIANCES TO ME, BECAUSE I LOOK AT VARIANCES, THEY SHOULD BE USED VERY RARELY.

I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY THEY USE THE LOVE'S ONE.

THAT'S NOT A LOOK WE REALLY WANT IN THE TOWN.

A TRUCK STOP KIND OF SAYING SO JUST BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BEFORE TO ME DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE GRANT VARIANCE ALL THE TIME.

LET'S DO IT AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS LOCATION, ESPECIALLY THERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GATEWAYS OUT BY THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS HERE EARLIER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GATEWAY AS WELL.

IS THAT WHAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO SAY WHEN YOU GET TO THE BIG, BUC-EE'S SIDE? TAKE A LOOK AFTER YOU'RE IN ANGLETON.

IT'S NOT REALLY, I THINK, THE ICONIC THING THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, THOUGH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE HEART. WE HAVE A HEART, SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THAT BENEFITS THE CITY AS ALL THEY ALREADY HAVE A SIGN ON THERE.

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I TRY TO READ THE SIGN ORDINANCE TODAY UNDER THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, IT WAS THE LAST ADOPTED IN 1993 AND THERE MAY BE A NEW ONE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK IT UP ONLINE, IT SAYS ADOPTED IN 1993, BUT THERE MAY BE.

MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT WHILE WE'RE DOING THE NEW LDC BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE SIGNAGE OF BILLBOARDS, EVERYTHING WE GOT AROUND TOWN, WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

BUT IF WE PUT ANOTHER, GIVE ANOTHER VARIANCE FOR ANOTHER SIGN, WHERE DO YOU STOP? IT'S JUST LOCATION DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE PLACE.

IF IT'S FURTHER UP THE HIGHWAY PASS THE CAR DEALERS, MAYBE, BUT NOT IN WHAT WE PLAN ON DEVELOPING A GATEWAY THERE.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. AND I DO APOLOGIZE ALL I WASN'T.

I MISUNDERSTOOD THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE SIGN IS GOING.

YOU CAN LOOK ON THE PARKS AND REC PROJECT PAGE FOR THE PUBLIC GATEWAY SIGNAGE, WHICH INCLUDES THE MAP. AND SO THAT WOULD THAT IS ONE OF OUR GATEWAY LOCATIONS.

SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSION.

SOMETIMES I ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF FEEDING YOU THE ANSWER, BUT OK, ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO BE ON FOR OR AGAINST THE ITEM NUMBER 17? COME ON UP. MY NAME IS PATTY CRUZ, AND I'M BUC-EE'S REPRESENTATIVE.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS BRAND CONSISTENCY.

AND SO AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING OUT A STATE AND ALL OF OUR LARGE TRAVEL CENTERS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING AND ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE DO HAVE THESE SIGNS AT THOSE LOCATIONS. AND SO AND IT IS TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC KNOW THAT THERE IS TRULY A BUC-EE'S THERE. AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, BUC-EE'S IS A FRIENDLY, WELCOMING PLACE.

AND OF COURSE, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO STOP AND WHENEVER THEY STOP, THEY'RE COMING TO ANGLETON. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST OPENING UP MORE BUSINESS FOR ANGLETON.

SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE PANEL SIGN IS A GREAT THING.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE AT AT THAT POINT.

AND FOR MOST PEOPLE TRAVELING, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE GPSS, BUT ACTUALLY SEEING IT ANGLETON A 25 FOOT WIDE.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.

SO AND AGAIN, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET ALL OF OUR PYLON SIGNS CONSISTENT.

SO AND I HOPE THAT HELPS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST? SECOND CALL. THIRD CALL, MR. MAYOR I MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND, A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, ANY FOR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSE, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES NOW WE CAN GO TO OUR DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ITEMS. COUNCIL. DOES THE LAKE JACKSON ONE HAVE A TALL SIGN? WHEN YOU MENTIONED TRAVEL CENTER, IS THIS CONSIDERED ONE OF YOUR TRAVEL CENTERS? OK. WALTER.

I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE BUC-EE'S IN LAKE JACKSON DOESN'T HAVE A SIGN THAT EVEN REPROACHES THAT HEIGHT OR SIZE.

AND IN FACT, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN 288, YOU WILL NOT SEE A SIGN THAT LARGE ANYWHERE NEAR ANYWHERE IN LAKE JACKSON.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THOUGH, IS DO YOU CONSIDER THAT LIGHT JACKSON LOCATION ALSO A TRAVEL CENTER? THE ONE OVER WAS THAT PLANTATION? YEAH, PLANTATION, RIGHT? MIC] SO, SO YOU'RE BRANDING, SO I'M CLEAR ON THIS IS A MATTER OF WHETHER IT'S A TRAVEL CENTER OR ONE OF THE OLDER SCHOOL BUCKY'S LIKE ANGLETON AND LAKE JACKSON, MISSOURI COUNTY HAS.

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RIGHT, WE HAVE THEM ON THE BLOOM, THE BLUE PUBLIC.

YEAH, YEAH. INFORMATION SIGNS, YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK OUT AND SAY, I LOVE BUC-EE'S.

I GO EVERY DAY. ME TOO.

THREE OR FOUR TIMES. AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR BRANDING.

I'M NOT IN AN ADVERTISEMENT, BUT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE YOUR BRAND.

YOU'D BE UNIVERSAL AND SINGLE SITE IT DRAWS, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GUESS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I'LL ALSO SAY I APPRECIATE CHRIS, BRINGING TO OUR ATTENTION, THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE OVER THERE AND RESPECTING THOSE PEOPLE FOR PERHAPS NOT WANTING TO HAVE A CARTOON CHARACTER IN THEIR VIEWPOINT.

YEAH, I WAS ON COUNCIL WHENEVER THAT ALL HAPPENED, AND I DO REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS AND IT WAS VERY ADAMANT THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO PUT THE BIG SIGN UP AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBLE RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD BE GOING BEHIND THERE OR WHATEVER WOULD HAPPEN.

I DO REMEMBER THE VARIANCE BEING GIVEN TO LOVES FOR THEIR TRUCK STOP.

SO I WILL AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND I LOVE BUC-EE'S, I GO THERE QUITE A BIT, I'M STILL A LITTLE AGGRAVATED THAT IT'S NOT A BIGGER BUC-EE'S RIGHT THERE BECAUSE IT IS SO PACKED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

SO TO THAT ANSWER, I THINK SIGN OR NOT.

PEOPLE KNOW IT'S THERE.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING SOUTHBOUND ON 288 HOUSTON TRAFFIC, YOU SEE THE LOVE'S TRUCK STOP.

THAT'S ALL YOU THINK OF AT THAT MOMENT.

AND YOU WILL IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE, YOU GO THERE BEFORE YOU SEE THE BUC-EE'S SIGN. SO I GET THAT.

BUT EVEN STILL, YOU EVEN IF IT'S 100 FOOT TALL, I DON'T THINK YOU'D SEE THE BUC-EE'S SIGN FROM THE LOVE [INAUDIBLE].

NO. YEAH, YEAH.

SO YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE OR I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME DOWN THAT WAY AND SAID I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.

I WOULD HAVE STOPPED. AND REAL QUICK, I DO, WORRY I KNOW THAT'S MAYBE TOO STRONG A WORD, BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN OF.

IF WE DID DO OUR GATEWAY MONUMENTATION, DO WE JUST I MEAN, IT KIND OF.

HERE WE ARE KIND OF ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN AND IT STARTS LOOKING VERY CROWDED IN THE SKY ALL OF A SUDDEN RIGHT THERE.

WHAT'S YOUR ATTENTION ON? I DON'T KNOW. SO.

I'LL GIVE YOU MY OPINION AS A OPPORTUNE TOURIST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THAT EXIT, RIGHT WHERE THINGS ARE.

AND SO WHEN YOU SEE LOTS OF SIGNAGE AND WHATEVER.

TO ME, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET OFF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GET GAS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET FOOD.

RIGHT. THERE'S OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT PARTLY BECAUSE THAT AREA IS NOT DEVELOPED.

BUT I'M ALL FOR A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS ANGLETON, THAT'S THE TOURISM PART OF ME THAT MAKE, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT GOING ON 10 AND WHATEVER.

AGAIN, IT'S A BIG SIGN AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THERE AND IT'S YOUR MILESTONE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND $100 AND.

BE IN THE BEST BATHROOM YOU CAN BE IN.

I DON'T KNOW. I'LL SAY THERE'S ALMOST EVERYBODY HAS NAVIGATION SYSTEMS OR APPS ON THEIR PHONE. AND IT'LL TELL YOU WHERE BUC-EE'S ARE AT, TELL YOUR STARBUCKS, [INAUDIBLE] TELL YOU WHERE I INTERSECTION. YES, THE BIG SIGN IS LIKE THIS.

IT'S LIKE, THIS IS A WALKING COMMERCIAL.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. I'M A MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE VARIANCE.

I WILL SECOND THAT. H,AVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, HAVE A SECOND, A MOTION BY TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NON, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSE, SAME SIGN.

AYE. AND THE MOTION CARRIES.

OK. ITEM NUMBER 18 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE FULLY REPEALING AND REPLACING CHAPTER TWENTY THREE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE

[18. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on an ordinance fully repealing and replacing Chapter 23 – Land Development Code, Article II. – Subdivision and Development Design, Section 23-20. – Park Dedication and Recreation Improvements; providing a penalty; providing for severability; providing for repeal; and providing an effective date.]

ARTICLE TWO SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT DESIGN SECTION 23-20- PARK DEDICATION RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS PROVIDING A PENALTY PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR APPEAL AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATES.

YES, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS THE REPEAL AND REPLACEMENT OF THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE. OVERALL, OUR CURRENT PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE OUTLINED IN THE EXISTING

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LDC HAS ERRORS AND OMISSIONS THAT STAFF RECOGNIZE NEEDED TO BE UPDATED.

SUBSEQUENTLY, IN MARCH 2020, STAFF AUTHORIZED STAFF WAS AUTHORIZED TO HIRE DR.

CROMPTON FROM TEXAS A&M TO ASSIST WITH THE REVISIONS OF OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE, DR. COMPTON'S EXPERTISE IN PARKLAND DEDICATION REVISION STEMS FROM BEING A MEMBER OF THE SEVEN PERSON COLLEGE STATION CITY COUNCIL, WHICH PROVIDES SENSITIVITY TO THE IMPORTANCE OF POLITICAL CONTEXT, EXPERIENCE IN COURT CASES AS AN EXPERT WITNESS IN PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE DISPUTES AND THEN ALSO THE ANALYSIS OF CURRENT PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCES THAT HE HAS COLLECTED FROM ALL SIXTY FIVE CITIES WHO ARE BELIEVED TO HAVE SUCH ORDINANCES, AS WELL AS THE ANALYSIS OF FORTY ONE ORDINANCES COLLECTED FROM THE 100 LARGEST U.S.

CITIES THAT HAVE THESE SIMILAR ORDINANCES.

DR. CROMPTON AND SOME OF HIS WRITINGS HAS DESCRIBED PARKLAND DEDICATIONS AS A MEANS OF PROVIDING PARK FACILITIES AND NEW DEVELOPED AREAS OF A JURISDICTION WITHOUT BURDENING EXISTING CITY RESIDENTS BY INCREASING TAXES.

THESE FEES MAY BE CONCEPTUALIZED AS A TYPE OF USER FEE BASED ON THE INTENT THAT IS THE LAND OWNER, DEVELOPER AND NEW HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THIS NEW DEMAND ON PARK FACILITIES AND SHOULD THEREFORE PAY FOR NEW PARK COSTS.

THE PHILOSOPHY IS THAT BECAUSE NEW DEVELOPMENT GENERATES A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARK AMENITIES, THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THAT NEED SHOULD BEAR THE COST OF PROVIDING THE NEW AMENITIES.

STAFFING THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD REVIEWED SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THE ORDINANCE FROM APRIL 2020 THROUGH APRIL 2021.