Mar 08, 2022 City Council

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE.

I REMOVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, DART BY CONSENT, ALL REMAINING ITEMS OR ONE SECOND.

NOW I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

CARRIES ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PURCHASE OF A MUSTANG CAT EXCAVATOR THROUGH HCAC.

SAME SIGN MOTION

[4. Discussion and possible action on the purchase of a Mustang CAT excavator through HGAC.]

I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE JEFF SIFFORD PUBLIC BOARD SHORT.

HELLO.

UH, THIS HAS GOT A SPOT FOR THE ACTION.

A TOTAL PRICE.

I WISH $2,477.

THIS IS THE EXCAVATOR WE HAD IN THE BUDGET.

WE HAD TO POINT NOW, UH, NOW WE GET THE JOBS, UH, THIS WOULD BE FOR THE SEWER DEPARTMENT.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, A REAL SMALL EXCAVATOR WE USE IN THE BACKYARD.

THEN WE HAVE A LARGER ONE.

MOST OF THE TIME THE WATER CREW HAS THAT.

AND SOMETIMES WE GOTTA PULL IT AS HARD TO LINE THEIR JOBS UP IN THE MORNING.

CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, BUT EVERYBODY WANTS TO TAKE A SPIDER.

SO THIS WOULD BE AN EXCAVATOR TO, TO LAY SEWER LINE, MOSTLY SEWER LINE.

UH, SO, UH, WE STARTED OUT WITH THREE CREWS, UH, AND WE DON'T HAVE

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ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO KEEP UP WITH THREE CREWS.

I WENT AND PULLED IT BACK.

UH, 2018, HOW MANY JOBS WE DID WAS 1,621, UH, DONE, UH, PULLED 20, 21.

WE UP TO 1,839.

SO THAT'S HOW MANY MORE JOBS A YEAR WE'RE DOING NOW AND NEED TO EQUIPMENT TO KEEP UP WITH IT.

UM, JUST IS WE, UH, TALKED ABOUT TAKING THIS MONEY OUT OF THE SIX, 10, WHICH IS A BUDGET ITEM FOR A UPGRADE EXISTING SIR LINE.

THERE'S 120,000 IN THAT LINE ITEM.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WOULD COME FROM.

WHERE IS THIS EXCAVATOR GOING TO COME FROM A SEATS FROM CAT, BUT IS THIS LOCAL IT'S COMING OUT OF THE HOUSTON, UH, DEALERSHIP Y'ALL OVER HERE, THAT COUNTY, IT'S MORE OF A RENTAL, BUT UH, THEY DO SAY WE CAN TAKE IT OVER THERE AND GET IT SERVICE AND WHATEVER.

IF SOMETHING EVER HAPPENED TO A BIG MAJOR, IT WOULD GO TO HOUSTON TO GET FIXED.

SO IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THERE'S ANY MORE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE THIS YEAR WITH THE RISING COST AND HOW WE'RE SEEING THINGS GOING SO QUICKLY? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED NOW BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF BUDGET? AS, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE, UH, AGENDA ITEM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME EQUIPMENT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO, THAT WE CAN LEASE VERSUS PURCHASE.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE BETTER OPTION, BUT THAT'S A REALLY, THAT'S REALLY A BUDGET DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL BRING FORWARD WHEN WE DO BUDGET.

COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, LIFE EXPECTANCY ON THESE JAIL? UM, PROBABLY ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 15 YEARS, WE WENT WITH THE CAT.

UH, THEY BROUGHT IT DOWN.

WE, UH, DEMOED IT FOR A WEEK TO GOD'S REALLY LIKE IT.

UH, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER BRAND, BUT UH, TALKED TO A FEW GUYS AND THEY'VE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THAT BRAND.

SO THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE A CAT MUSTANG.

JUST ALSO KEEP US FROM GOING, DIGGING A SEWER LINE UP, THEN GO DIG A WATER LINE UP AND CONTAMINATION BACK AND FORTH.

SO THIS, THIS IS HELPED US OUT ON THAT.

WE CAN DEDICATE THIS AND SEWER AND DISSONANT TO WATER, WHICH NEEDS TO BE DONE.

COUNSEL, WELL, A RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR PURCHASE OF A NEW EXCAVATOR THROUGH CAT MUSTANG, OR SO THERE AGAIN, MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

NOW ALL FOUR PHASES HAVE TO BE COMPLETED BY NO, SIR.

ITEM

[6. Discussion and possible action on a proposal for professional planning and engineering services for the City of Angleton Lead and Copper Rule Study and Monitoring Plan – Phase 1.]

NUMBER SIX.

DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSAL FOR PROFESSIONAL PLANNING AND ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON LEAD AND COPPER RULE STUDY IN A MONITORING PLAN PHASE ONE, CAN I START? SURE.

SO, UH, ANGIE'S GOING TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS, BUT, UH, THIS IS AN EPA MANDATE.

THEY'RE STILL FERRETING OUT SOME OF THE RULES, BUT WE HAVE A HARD 20, 24 DEADLINE.

THIS IS PHASE ONE OF FOUR PHASES.

UM, BUT IT IT'S COMMON AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T GOOD ABOUT IT, ABOUT HOME INVENTORIES AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.

BUT THAT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FULLY FERRETED OUT YET.

AND SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ANGIE.

GOOD EVENING.

COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TEM.

MY NAME IS ANGIE SANCHEZ.

I'M WITH CASEY ENGINEERS AND A, THE PROPOSAL THAT WE PUT TO, TO FORWARD TO IS FOR, UH, THE FIRST PHASE OF FOUR PHASES.

THE LEAD AND COPPER RULE COMES DOWN FROM USCPA AND IT WILL BE MANAGED BY TCEQ AS FAR AS THE MONITORING PLAN GOES, WHICH IS THE, AT THE END OF ALL OF THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

UH, THE BIGGEST UPDATE THAT CAME OUT IN DECEMBER OF 2021, WHICH THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE IS AN UPDATE PARTICULARLY TO LETTING COPPER WHEN IT COMES TO LEAD, UH, PIPE, GOING INTO SCHOOLS AND POSSIBLE FIXTURES AS WELL, THAT ARE IN THE SCHOOLS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.

SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST FOCUS ON THIS, BUT THE FIRST PHASE IS JUST THE INVENTORY.

THIS IS A NONINVASIVE INVENTORY.

SO THIS IS GOING TO INCLUDE YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

CONTRACTORS, UM, AGE OF HOME AT THE HOME WAS BUILT PRIOR TO 1986.

WE CAN POSSIBLY ASSUME THERE'S LEAD PIPE THERE UNLESS THERE'S BEEN RENOVATIONS DONE.

SO THIS IS A NON-INVASIVE AS IN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND DIG UP PIPE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS JUST A CURSORY ADMINISTER, ALMOST ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE, BUT THIS IS DUE OCTOBER 26TH, 2024.

IT'S A HEAVY LIFT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING STARTED.

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THE FIRST PHASE HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY OCTOBER OF 24.

SO, SO I'M JUST, W WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF IT'S A CONSTRUCTION BUILT PRIOR TO 1986, WE'RE GOING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE PRESUMPTION THAT IT IS LEAD BASED OR LED PIPE IN THERE.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SEVERAL PHASES OF PHASE ONE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GO BACK AND LOOK AT RECORDS AND SAY, 8 19 86 OR PRIOR, WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER 80, YOU KNOW, BEYOND 86, NEWER CONSTRUCTION, WE CAN POSSIBLY ASSUME NO, NO LEAD, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO AN ISSUE OF, FOR THE SCHOOLS.

AT LEAST THERE'S AN ISSUE OF THE FIXTURES AND WHAT OTHER THINGS ARE INSIDE THE SCHOOLS THAT WE CAN'T SEE.

AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD INVENTORY OF, SO IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS IS FIGURING OUT A PROCESS THAT EPA, LIKE I SAID, IT'S IT, THIS HAS BEEN A KIND OF A LIVING BREATHING THING, AND THEY'RE LEAVING IT UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL MUNICIPALITIES TO FIGURE IT OUT.

THEY ARE GIVING SOME GUIDANCE, THEY'RE GIVING SOME BEST CASE SCENARIOS AND SOME CASE STUDIES.

WE HAVE ONE OUT OF MINNEAPOLIS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY USE TO KIND OF START MODELING WHAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

BUT YES, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A PHASED APPROACH, EVEN IN PHASE ONE, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TIME WE WERE DOING IT IN THIS MANNER.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT ME TO, I CAN TALK ABOUT PHASE 2, 3, 4.

ONE OF THE PRIMARY ISSUES I HAVE IS EPA COMING DOWN ON US TELLING US WE GOT TO DO THIS, BUT THEY DON'T TELL YOU, THAT'LL GIVE YOU A STEP BY STEP WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.

SO ONE, ONE MUNICIPALITY SAYS, WELL, LET'S DO THIS.

AND IT HEAD OFF IN THAT DIRECTION.

AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOME ENTITY AT EPA CAN SAY, OH, NO, YOU GOT TO GO BACK AND DO THIS.

SO IT JUST, IT'S JUST ONE OF THESE FEDERAL THINGS THAT JUST ISN'T, THAT IS NOT AT ALL THOUGHT OUT.

BUT I JUST COME DOWN AND SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

AND BAM.

SO YOU TALKED ABOUT IS MINNEAPOLIS.

YOU SAID MINNESOTA.

YES, SIR.

ARE THERE OTHER, I GUESS, LARGE MUNICIPALITIES OR ANY MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS OF PHASE ONE? YES.

THERE ARE SEVERAL.

THAT'S JUST ONE THAT I WANTED TO MENTION.

WE'RE PART OF IT.

GO AHEAD.

WELL, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THAT IS, UM, WHAT'S THEIR FEEDBACK FROM THE EPA.

I GUESS TRYING TO FALL ALONG WITH CECIL IS, IS THERE A WORKING MODEL THAT WE KNOW THAT'S GETTING AT ALL THE LEAST PUSHBACK FROM THE EPA, THAT WAY WE CAN PERHAPS FOLLOW THEIR STEPS THAT WAY, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND REINVENT THIS WHEEL.

SO, SO WE'RE MEMBERS OF SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT DEAL WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER, AND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE KIND OF OUR CONDUIT BACK UP TO THE EPA.

SO THEY'RE PUSHING THOSE THINGS DOWN TO US OF EPA HAS SAID, YES, THIS LOOKS GOOD.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE.

SO YES, WE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOLLOWING ARE THE MODELS THAT THE EPA HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT YOU ANSWERED TO THOUGH IS TCEQ, CORRECT? THE CHAIN OF COMMAND IS A CHAIN OF COMMAND UP TO TCEQ, AND THEN THE EPA, OR YOU GOT TO BOTH ANSWER TO BOTH OF THESE AND PLAY BOTH HANDS OUT.

SO, SO THE EPA ISSUES, THE GUIDANCE, IT COMES DOWN TO TCEQ.

TCEQ IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, UM, JUST MONITORING IT TO MAKING SURE IT'S GETTING DONE.

SO WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO TCEQ PRIMARILY.

YES, SIR.

WELL, SHOULDN'T THEY BE GIVING US A GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT WE'RE, HOW WE'RE DUE TO THIS? WELL, IT'S BECAUSE OF A ROLE THAT COMES OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

WASN'T WITH NO GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES.

THERE, THERE ARE GUIDELINES ON THE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY THEY'VE GOT THE GUIDELINES FOR THE END STATE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, WHICH IS THE MONITORING LEVELS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING CITY MANGLED IN TO.

BUT THE STEPS PRIOR TO THAT, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THERE'S SOME LENIENCY ON HOW TO GET THERE, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING GUIDANCE FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UH, THAT THROUGH THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT EPA HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, TH THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND, UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALSO STILL LIVING BREATHING, BUT WE DO KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THIS INVENTORY.

THEY'VE ALREADY SET THAT DATE.

UM, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE, BUT I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A BLACK AND WHITE GUIDANCE SHEET, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THAT.

I LIKED, I LIKED THE IDEA OF PHASE ONE AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS PHASE TWO.

THAT'S A SCARY ONE.

SO ONCE WE, ONCE WE UNCOVER ALL OF THIS, NOW WE HAVE TO START REPLACING IT.

I MEAN, I SEE CHILDCARE FACILITIES ON HERE.

AND THEN WE'RE TALKING, CHANGING SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, ALL OF OUR CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

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SO THAT BECOMES A VERY COSTLY LIFT FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

SO GREAT SEGUE.

UM, WHAT THE WORK THAT WE PUT INTO PHASE ONE WILL SET, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO FOR GRANT MONEY, WHICH I'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN LOOKING AT, AND THERE IS A TON OF MONEY EARMARKED IN DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT, UH, FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SAYING THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE MONEY.

SO THE BETTER PREPARED WE ARE TO SUBMIT A GRANT APPLICATION WITH OUR FULL LEAD SERVICE LINE INVENTORY AND COST ESTIMATES AND OUR GOALS.

AND YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE EPA REQUIREMENTS.

UH, ANGLETON'S GRANT APPLICATION IS GOING TO FLOAT TO THE TOP.

SO THIS REALLY IS GONNA BE SUCH A ANGLETON NET FOR GETTING THAT GRANT MONEY.

DO YOU HAVE SOME OTHER TEXAS CITIES THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS INTO AS WELL AS ANGLED? YES.

WE ACTUALLY, A CITY OF HEARNE IS ONE THAT WE'VE DONE.

NO, THERE'S OTHERS.

I'M TRYING TO THINK.

UM, I KNOW WE'LL BE DOING ONE FOR DAN DANBERRY.

UM, SORRY.

I'M BLANKING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A HANDFUL.

I WON'T SAY WE'VE DONE 50, BUT THIS IS NEW.

SO LET ME MAKE SURE ABOUT THIS.

THERE'S ONE SENTENCE IN THE PROPOSAL.

UM, RIGHT AFTER THE IDENTIFICATION OF PHASE FOUR, IT SAYS SINCE THE CITY USES GROUNDWATER SUPPLY FOR THEIR DRINKING WATER, IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CTC QUEUE.

WE USE BOTH GROUNDWATER AND SURFACE WATER.

SO DOES THAT AFFECT THIS SUBMISSION TO CTC? HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS IT.

I MUST'VE MISSED THAT SENTENCE.

UM, BUT IT, IT WON'T AFFECT US BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE CONDUIT THAT IT'S FLOWING THROUGH.

SO THIS, THIS PART OF IT IS JUST THE LEAD AND COPPER RULE SIDE OF IT.

THE MONITORING PLAN WILL COVER WHATEVER SOURCE OF WATER YOU HAVE, WHEREVER YOU'RE GETTING YOUR WATER, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH WELLS, A GROUNDWATER, AND THEN THE MONITORING OF YOUR WATER PROPOSALS.

I UNDERSTAND.

DO YOU HAVE, HOW MUCH LED TO YOU? ARE YOU PERSONALLY AWARE OF AS FAR AS SERVICE LINES AND STUFF LIKE THAT? PROMOTE THE MIC? I THINK THE BIGGEST WHAT'S GOING TO GET US TO DOWNTOWN ALL THE DOWNTOWN FROM A PLUM ALL THE WAY TO, UH, ASH.

WE HAVE A LION RUNNING RIGHT DOWN TO 88 BUSINESS TO 88 WITH ALL COPPER, UH, SERVICE LINES AND THE OLDER SUBDIVISIONS, SOME OF THEM HAS BEEN CHANGED OUT.

SOME OF THEM'S NOT.

SO I'D SAY WE STILL HAVE 25 TO 30% MAYBE SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WE ALREADY TAKE THE LCR, UH, LEAD COPPER SAMPLES ARE READY, BUT THEY ARE JUST SQUEEZING IT DOWN TO MOSTLY NOTHING.

SO ME AND HECTOR WENT TO A LITTLE DEAL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT IT, SO, OKAY.

I'LL JUST PULL THIS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT THE DISCUSSION AMERICANS THAT LIVE IN ANGLETON CAN SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I WOULD PROVE, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, PHASE ONE SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GORA.

IS THAT ENOUGH? JUDITH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

SAME SIGN MOTION CARRIES FOUR ONE.

REGULAR AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PRESENTATION BY ANGLETON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.

[7. Presentation by Angleton Independent School District.]

SO THIS, SO THEY GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION TO THE CHAMBER, A CHAMBER SAY TO THE UNION, I THOUGHT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND US BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT US ECONOMICALLY.

AND SO THANK YOU PHIL FOR COMING.

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THANK YOU FOR IT.

OH, I GOT SHORT AS THE LAST SPRING.

UH, THANK YOU GUY.

THANK YOU, MISS CHRIS FOR INVITING ME.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY.

PUT TOGETHER A VERY SHORT POWERPOINT.

I'VE GOT A MAP WHICH HONDA HAS TOLD ME.

I NEED TO IMPROVE ON THE LOOK OF THAT THING.

I'VE BEEN USING IT FOR A WHILE, BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

NOT ONLY, I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT GROWTH IN ANGLETON AND THE CITY OF ANGLETON, BUT ANGLETON, R I S D AS YOU KNOW, IS A FAR MORE EXPANSIVE AREA THAN JUST THE CITY OF ANGLETON, AND ACTUALLY GOES UP INTO THE ROSHARON AREA.

AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN THE ROSHARON HERE FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE.

THERE WE GO.

THE CURRENT BRAUN PROJECTS WE HAVE, UH, WE PASSED A BOND TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

WE ARE ABOUT NINE MONTHS FROM FINISHING THAT BOND.

THE EXPECTED COST OF THE BOND.

AT THAT TIME, WHEN WE PASSED, IT WAS $90 MILLION CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOLD $85 MILLION WORTH OF THOSE BONDS AND DO NOT EXPECT TO SELL ANYMORE AT THIS TIME.

UH, NOW, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE WAY BONDS WORK, ANYTHING WE SELL.

WE HAVE TO SPEND IN TWO TO THREE YEARS, ANYTHING WE DON'T SELL, WE HAVE 10 YEARS TO SPEND.

AND SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT EXTRA $5 MILLION HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, OUR PROJECTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO SELL THE 85 MILLION TO FINISH THE PROJECTS.

THE OTHER THING WE'VE DONE SINCE WE'VE STARTED THE BOND PROJECT IS WE HAVE LOWERED OUR SCHOOL TAX RATES ARE MADE UP OF MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, WHICH HAS LOWERED SIGNIFICANTLY MAINLY DUE TO THE, UH, INPUT FROM STATE FUNDS FROM AUSTIN.

BUT THE THING THAT WE REALLY HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER IS THE INTEREST IN SINKINGS FUNDS.

AND SO SINCE THIS BOND PROJECT HAS STARTED, WE HAVE DROPPED THE INS RIGHT, 2 CENTS AND EXPECT TO DROP IT AT LEAST ANOTHER 2 CENTS IN THIS UPCOMING YEAR.

AND SO WE'RE CONTINUING THAT DOWNWARD TREND.

THE CURRENT BRON PROJECTS WE HAVE.

SO WE FINISHED THE SOFTBALL RENOVATIONS WE HAD ABOUT 10% SAVINGS ON THAT CENTRAL STAGE WAS DONE 13% SAVINGS ON THAT TRANSPORTATION CENTER.

WE ARE AT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION RIGHT NOW.

IN FACT, WE BUSES WILL BE MOVING OVER THIS FRIDAY, UH, AND WE WILL OPEN IT NEXT MONDAY.

AND SO, UH, AND EXPECTED SAVINGS ON THIS TRANSPORTATION CENTER IS ABOUT 12.3%.

CTE CENTER IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE IN TWO PHASES, PHASE ONE, WE SHOULD BE AT SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION, JULY 22ND.

UH, PHASE TWO IS WE WILL, ONCE THAT'S DONE IS WE WILL SPEND THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

WE'RE STARTING IN JUNE, ACTUALLY THIS YEAR OF GOING IN AND DEMOING THE HIGH SCHOOL AND RENOVATING ABOUT 25, 28 CLASSROOMS THERE, UH, TO EXPAND THEM.

A LOT OF THOSE CLASSROOMS ARE CURRENT CTE ROOMS AND ROOMS LIKE WELDING.

WE NO LONGER NEED WELDING.

THE OLD WELDING ROOM.

WE'VE GOT FOUR BRAND NEW ONES SITTING OVER THERE.

UH, SO IT'LL BE TURNING THOSE INTO CLASSROOMS. UH, WE EXPECT TO HAVE THAT DONE BY DECEMBER 22ND ARE ESTIMATED.

AND THAT IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 8% ESTIMATED SAVINGS.

AND ON A $50 MILLION PROJECT, 8% ESTIMATED SAVINGS IS QUITE A BIT, UH, ESTIMATED SAVINGS FROM THE 85 MILLION IS WE ARE EXPECTING A THREE TO $5 MILLION SAVINGS ON THAT.

SO ALTOGETHER, PROBABLY ABOUT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ONLY 80 TO 80 TO $82 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO SPEND TO GET ALL THE BOND PROJECTS DONE.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, THAT'S AN VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER THAT WE'RE PRESENTING.

WE THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE TO, UH, TO EVEN DO BETTER THAN THAT.

THEN WE GET INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS, UH, DISTRICT GROWTH IN THE SUMMER OF 22 LAST SUMMER, WE HAD AN, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY DONE BY A DEMOGRAPHER OUT OF COLLEGE STATION, UH, DONE TO RESEARCH DISTRICT GROWTH.

AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS THAT WHAT THEY PRESENTED, THEY PRESENTED THIS TO OUR BOARD.

I BELIEVE JULY OF LAST YEAR.

WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THEIR ESTIMATES ARE TOO CONSERVATIVE AT THIS TIME.

AT THIS POINT, WE EXPECT GROWTH TO KIND OF EXCEED, UH, WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOWING US, UH, WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHIC REPORT SHOWED US WAS THIS IS THAT BY 2025, THAT WE EXPECTED IN OUR ANGLETON ISD TO HAVE ABOUT AN ESTIMATED 1500 NEW HOMES, UH, UPDATED.

AND WHEN WE SEE, AS WE TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'VE TALKED TO DEVELOPERS, WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS WE EXPECT THAT NUMBER NOW TO BE ABOUT 2,500 TO 3000 PART OF THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ARE IN RIGHT NOW, WE'RE MOVING FASTER THAN WHAT THEY INDICATED NINE MONTHS AGO.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT AS YOU DRIVE, UH, THE PROJECT RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM OUR CENTRAL OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE ONLY SUSPECTED TO BUILD, I THINK, 50 HOMES IN THE FIRST ABOUT DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THEY GOT 50 HOMES ON THE GROUND.

NOW, IF YOU DRIVE UP TO 88, THAT, UH, PROJECT YOU SEE, AND THAT'S GOING ON IN BONNIE, THEY EXPECTED TO BUILD 50 HOMES BY DECEMBER, EXCUSE ME, NOVEMBER OF 22, THEY'VE GOT 60 HOMES ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW.

AND THEY'VE TOLD US NOW THEY'RE GOING AS FAST AS I CAN GO TO GET THOSE HOMES IN.

AND SO BY 2030 IS WHEN WE REALLY THINK WE'LL SEE THE GROWTH.

WELL, WE EXPECTED IT BACK WHEN THE, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY WAS SHOWN US, AS WE WOULD EXPECT IT AN ADDITIONAL 27, 50 NEW HOMES INTO THE DISTRICT.

THAT'S ON TOP OF THE NUMBER AT THE TOP RIGHT NOW, THAT IS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 10,000 NEW HOMES.

AND, UH,

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I'LL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE WE THINK THOSE GOING IN.

WHEN I SAY THOSE 10,000 NEW HOMES, THAT'S PEOPLE, I'VE GOT DEVELOPERS WHO ARE SAYING, AND THEY'RE PRETTY SERIOUS ABOUT COMING IN TO LARGE DEVELOPMENTS.

I'LL TALK ABOUT JUST A SECOND.

THEY'RE COMPETING WITH US TO GIVE US LAND, TO BUILD SCHOOLS.

AND SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION, I'M THINKING, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY.

I ALSO KNOW THIS AS I'M SURE YOU GUYS DO IS I DON'T TRUST THEM UNTIL THEY START TURNING OVER DIRT SOMEWHERE.

THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO DO SOMETHING.

AND SO, UH, I, WE REALLY KIND OF WAIT TO SEE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN.

IF YOU GO BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT, I HAVE ONE LAST THING.

THERE ARE ALSO ANOTHER POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL 8,000 TO 10,000 HOMES IN DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

THAT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE TELLING US THEY'RE INTERESTED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WHERE I'M THINKING THEY'RE FULLY COMMITTED TO MAKING THIS HAPPEN IN THOSE KINDS OF TIMES.

ALL RIGHT, I'M SORRY.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT DO WE LOOK LIKE? OUR CURRENT ENROLLMENT IS, UH, AT 67 40 WE'RE AT 62 STUDENTS FROM WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT 1% AND WHICH IS ABOUT WHERE WE EXPECTED TO SEE WHAT THE HOME GROWTH COMING IN, UH, ESTIMATED ENROLLMENT IN 2025 IS AT THAT 75, 26.

THAT'S UP ABOUT 9%.

THAT IS, THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASED OFF THE DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY.

SO AGAIN, THEY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT TOO CONSERVATIVE RIGHT NOW, ESTIMATE ENROLLMENT IN 2030 IS PROBABLY ABOUT 12,000 STUDENTS PLUS.

AND SO CURRENTLY YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE ABOUT 6,700 IF IN 10 YEARS, WE'RE IN 12,000, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOUBLING THE SIZE OF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

UH, AND THEN JUST BRIEFLY I'LL SHOW YOU KIND OF SOME OF THE AREAS YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON, WHICH IS ABOUT, I MEAN, AND SO, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL OF THAT.

THE BIGGEST DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HEAR FOR, OR I PROBABLY NEED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT IS IN ROSHARON CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, UH, THE SUN FREEKEH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BUILD ABOUT 160 HOMES IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS, ANOTHER 165 HOMES IN ABOUT 2030.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 300 HOMES GOING INTO THIS CRAVE CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S A SMALLER IS THE ONE THAT'S BEING BUILT.

THAT'S ABOUT 800 HOMES, 775.

THEY EXPECT EXPECTED TO BUILD THOSE 7 75 OUT BY GETTING BY 2030.

I THINK THERE'LL BE THERE MUCH QUICKER THAN THAT DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THAT.

WE'VE HAD A DEVELOPER WHO'S THE MOST AGGRESSIVE WITH US RIGHT NOW.

WHO'S NOT STARTED DOING ANYTHING.

HE IS EXPECTING TO BUILD PROBABLY 900 HOMES IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS WITH A TOP OUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 3000 HOMES IN THAT AREA.

THE OTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT IS RIGHT HERE.

UH, THIS GROUP IS, WILL HAVE TOLD US THEY WILL START TURNING OVER DIRT IN DECEMBER.

AND THIS IS IN ONTO 88 IN BETWEEN 1462.

AND I BELIEVE COUNTY ROAD 51, WHICH I DID NOT KNOW EXISTED UNTIL I DROVE OUT THERE ONE DAY AND FOUND COUNTY ROAD 51.

UH, THEY EXPECT YOU TO PROBABLY BUILD 300 HOMES.

SO A FAIRLY SLOWER DEVELOPMENT THE NEXT TWO YEARS, TWO TO THREE YEARS, BUT THEIR BUILD OUT RATE IS 6,000 HOMES.

UH, THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT GIVING US LAND, OR WE'RE IN TALKS WITH THEM ABOUT LAND FOR SCHOOLS, NOT ONLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, BUT ALSO MAYBE A JUNIOR HIGH HIGH SCHOOL SUITE OF LAND.

AT SOME POINT, IF THOSE THINGS COME UP.

AND SO THE OTHER BIG AREA, THAT'S NOT UP HERE, BUT WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT IS THE SIENNA PLANTATION AREAS.

IT STARTS TO COME DOWN INTO OUR DISTRICT.

THERE'S A BUILDER OUT OF EAST.

HE'S PART OF HOUSTON.

THAT'S LOOKING TO, HE SAYS, LOOK TO BUILD 2,500 TO 3000 HOMES THERE.

UH, I HAVE NOT PUT THAT ON THE MAP YET BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE, UH, YES, THEY'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS, BUT AT SOME POINT, THOSE, SOME DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING TO COME DOWN THIS WAY.

AND SO IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.

AND HE WAS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE 6,000 HOMES THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF 2D EIGHT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT THREE YEARS TO GET TO CAPACITY RANCHO, FIVE YEARS, SOUTH SIDE, THREE YEARS, WEST SIDE, WE ARE CURRENTLY AT CAPACITY RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, THE JUNIOR HIGH.

AND THIS ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IS EITHER GOING TO, IS EITHER PART OF THE CITY OF ANGELS, EXCUSE ME, CITY OF ALVIN OR PLANS TO BE ANNEXED BY THE CITY OF ALVIN IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF THIS, THIS LARGE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE IS IN BONNIE.

I THINK THE ISSUES HERE, AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS THEIR 80 FOOT LOTS.

AND SO PEOPLE UP IN THIS AREA STILL ARE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND I'LL LEAVE THAT ALONE.

I WILL TELL YOU AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT MY STATEMENT IS WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT LOT SIZES.

ALL WE KNOW IS IF KIDS MOVE INTO OUR DISTRICT, WE GOT TO EDUCATE THEM.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE APPROACH WE'VE TAKEN.

SO IF I COULD SHOW MY NEXT SLIDE, UH, SO OUR SCHOOLS, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS WE START TO LOOK AT OUR SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT, WE COULD CONSIDER CAPACITY ABOUT 85% OF OUR SCHOOL FULL ROOMS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER ROOMS FOR THINGS LIKE REMEDIATION, SPECIAL ED, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

WE CAN PUT MORE KIDS INTO OUR ROOMS AND GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT BOY, WE DID START HAVING REMEDIATION CLASSES IN THE CAFETERIA HALLWAY.

SO WE LIKE TO STAY ABOUT THAT 85 TO 90% AS LOOKING AT OUR, UH, BUILDS CAPACITY.

WE EXPECT FRONTIER WILL BE OKAY UNTIL 23, 24.

SO NOT THIS YEAR, BUT THE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER THEY SHOULD BE FINE.

BUT AT 23, 24, WE EXPECT TO BE ABOVE CAPACITY OF FRONTIER NORTH SIDE.

WE THINK

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AND THIS IS A INTERESTING DISCUSSION THAT WAS BUILT AS STUDENTS.

CURRENTLY, WE HAVE ABOUT 1500 STUDENTS AT THE JUNIOR HIGH.

SO TECHNICALLY WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY WAIT SIX YEARS.

THAT'S IF WE WANT TO HAVE THE JUNIOR FIVE 1800 STUDENTS, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IS NOT THE NUMBER OF KIDS AT THAT AGE IS TOUGH.

RESEARCH SHOWS THAT JUNIOR HIGH NUMBERS CAP 12, THAT'S A DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE AS A HIGH SCHOOL WITH THE NEW CTE CENTER WERE DOUBLING THE CAPACITY OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.

SO WE SUSPECT OUR HIGH SCHOOL IS AT LEAST GOOD FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

I SUSPECT THE LONGER, UH, SO THE NEXT THINGS WE'RE DOING, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I'LL TALK REAL BRIEFLY ABOUT THE BENCHMARK FACILITY.

UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WE PURCHASED THAT IS AS THIS DISTRICT GROWS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GROW SEVERAL OUR DEPARTMENTS INTO THAT FACILITY AND THE PRICE AT WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO BUY THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER.

IT'S ABOUT 10% OF THE COST OF WHAT A BRAND NEW BUILDING.

UH, CURRENTLY OUR MAINTENANCE GROUNDS, CHILD NUTRITION DEPARTMENTS ARE SITTING IN ANNEX OVER ON THE EAST PART OF TOWN OFF OF 35.

AND THEY ARE FULL RIGHT NOW.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE PHONES.

SO BEING ABLE TO GET INTO, ALONG WITH THE WAREHOUSE SPACE THAT WE USE PLACES ALL OVER THE DISTRICT IS THE REASON WHY WE MADE THAT DECISION.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS THE BUILDINGS REALLY GOOD SHAPE.

WE DID A LOT OF WORK ON THAT.

SO WE JUST FELT IT WAS REALLY GOOD BY THIS TIME WE ALSO STRESSED IS THAT FINDING OUT SAVINGS COST TAXPAYER.

UM, THE NEXT BIG STEPS WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE STARTING STRATEGIC PLANNING.

AND PART OF THAT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT DO WE EXPECT SCHOOLS TO LOOK LIKE? UH, LOTS OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES, WHAT FACILITIES, WHAT THERE NEED, WHAT ARE THE GOALS WE'RE SETTING FOR THAT ACTUALLY STARTED THAT ON MARCH 1ST, FIRST HOLD MEETINGS, MARCH 31ST AND APRIL 1ST, WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE OF 40 PEOPLE.

WE STARTED DOING THAT, UH, HALF OLDER SCHOOL PEOPLE YUP.

OTHER 20 OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO FIND PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO SERVE THOSE ARE DAYS DURING THE SCHOOL OR DURING THE WORK DAY.

SO WE KNOW THAT'S A DETRIMENT, BUT WE REALLY ARE LOOKING TO FILL THOSE SPOTS, UH, WITH PEOPLE THAT CAN GIVE US NOT AN ISD PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.

WE HAVE ACTUALLY ALSO CONTRACTED WITH DR.

BOB NIX, WHO IS DATING FACILITIES.

HE'S A PROFESSOR AT LAMAR UNIVERSITY.

HE SPECIALIZES IN SCHOOL FACILITIES FACILITIES, AND HE WILL LEAD OUR BOND PLANNING, WHICH WILL KICK OFF IN MAY.

WE WILL HAVE TWO MEETINGS AT NIGHT, AND THAT IS WHERE WE WILL GET INTO SPECIFICALLY, WHAT DO WE WANT DONE RIGHT NOW? IS THAT JUST ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RIGHT NOW IS NOTHING RIGHT NOW.

IS IT HOW WE NEED TO BUILD A NEW JUNIOR HIGH? WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

SOME OF OUR OLDER SCHOOLS, UH, THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS.

WE'VE GOT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION ARE GONNA BE THE MEMBERS OF THAT BOND.

THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP.

DR.

NIX IS GOING TO LEAD THAT FOR US, BOND PLANNING IS ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SERVE.

YOU CAN COMMIT TO SIX MEETINGS TWO PER MONTH, AND YOU WANT YOUR VOICE HEARD, AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO LET ANYBODY ON THAT COMMITTEE, UH, TO BE A PART OF THAT NEW PART OF THAT DECISION.

UH, I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE NEXT BONDS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

THAT COMMITTEE WILL DO THAT.

AND I WILL LET DR WHATEVER WE ARE EXPECTING TO DO A BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS AWFUL FAST AND YOU SOLVE THINGS.

WE MAY NOT NEED SCHOOLS TO 2025 OR SO.

I MEAN, ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO 2025.

THE REALITY IS, IS ONCE WE PASS A BOND, IT'S TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GET TO SCHOOL.

AND SO WE WAIT MUCH LONGER.

WE COULD HAVE OVERCROWDING IN OUR SCHOOL FOR SOME OF OUR SCHOOLS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL DO, I TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT EXTRA $5 MILLION, UH, WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO TO HELP WITH THAT IS WE'RE ACTUALLY PROBABLY GONNA GO OUT AND SELL THOSE BONDS AT SOME POINT THIS SUMMER AND START TO DO SOME ARCHITECTURAL WORK ON DRAWING UP A PROTOTYPE SCHOOLS.

SO THAT'S MONEY.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO OFFER BOND ONWARDS, SPEND THAT MONEY AND PUT IT INTO PASSES THE NEXT POSSIBLE ON PROJECT.

AND SO THAT WAY, WHATEVER THAT BOND AMOUNT WOULD BE LOWERED BY.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO DO BY ASKING QUESTIONS.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER.

WELL, FIRST I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

IT'S REALLY NICE TO HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHAT ALL ACTIONS ARE BEING TAKEN.

AND WE WERE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU ON ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON.

I REALLY FIND YOUR MAP INSIGHTFUL, BECAUSE

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I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED HOW Y'ALL DECIDED WHERE EVERYONE WENT.

SO IT SOUNDS, IT SEEMS LIKE FRONTIER IS THE ONE THAT'S ABOUT TO GET OVERLOADED.

WE HAVE GT CLASSES THERE, THEN WE'RE MOVING TO GT CLASSES, CREATE IMPROVEMENT.

I ALSO THINK NORTH SIDE DEVELOPMENT ON DOWN, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY POSE ISSUE, BUT FRONTIER IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND WHAT WE'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE AS THESE COME IN, WE WILL HAVE TO REACH ALL OF THESE.

THIS MAY BE PUTTING THE CART WAY OUT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT, UH, THE FUTURE SCHOOLS, WOULD THEY BE ON THE FRONTIER NORTH SIDE, PROBABLY OUT PAST 5, 23 OR OUTSIDE THE REGULAR SINGH, TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, PERHAPS ONE IS WHATEVER DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE IN THE ROSHARON AREA.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SCHOOLS.

THEY WANT NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS JUST LIKE PEOPLE.

WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? OKAY, KEVIN, WE ARE WORKING ON AN MOU WITH THE CITY.

WE UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THE ELEMENTS, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT OF DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT, ONE TO SEE OUR CAPACITY SCHOOLS, PART OF IT IS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF OUR OLDER SCHOOLS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOUTH SIDE'S GREAT EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A HUGE FIELD OUTSIDE SOUTH SIDE.

DO WE BUILD A NEW SOUTH SIDE THAT HAS A LARGER CAPACITY OF STUDENTS THERE AND DEMO THE OLD SOUTH SIDE.

THERE'S SOME ADVANTAGES TO THINKING ABOUT, CAN WE DO THAT WITH A NORTH SIDE? THOSE ARE IDEAS WE HAVE.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO PHIL.

PHIL EVER SAYS, DO THIS.

IT'S GOING TO BE, WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO TELL US WHAT, BUT THOSE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT WE HAVE AT SOME POINT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE CREATED IN ANGLETON.

WE THINK TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT A THOUSAND SEATS THAT ARE CURRENT SIX ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, PLUS ANOTHER 800 TO A THOUSAND SEATS WILL PROBABLY CONTAIN THAT GROW.

AND THEN IT'S, WHAT DOES THE GROCERY COME UP HERE? IF WE GET OUT OF THE MODEL WE HAVE FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW IS FOUR TO 500.

WE GET INTO THE 800 STUDENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE WOULD SUSPECT AS THIS THING GROWS OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS, WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT FOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

THAT'S A THOUGHT PROCESS.

HOW WE GET THERE IS THAT'S THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE.

JUST CURIOSITY, DOES THE IST PLAN TO, I KNOW WHERE THE NEW BUS BARN IS THE OLD, OLD HIGH SCHOOL THAT, SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO TALK ABOUT AT THE NEXT ROUND OF BONDS, BECAUSE IT IS THE BUILDING ITSELF.

THE MARSHALL BUILDING IS IN GREAT SHAPE.

WE'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR OFFICES, BUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT FACILITY? UH, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT THAT TO ME.

UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE FEASIBLE THINGS OUT THERE, BUT DEMOING THAT AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY MUCH ON OUR MINDS.

THE INITIAL THOUGHT IS, HEY, CAN WE TURN THAT INTO A PARK OF, FOR THE COMMUNITY? BUT AGAIN, DOING SOMETHING THAT IS COST A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BOND.

YEAH, I WAS, I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT Y'ALL BOUGHT THE BENCHMARK FACILITY ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I GET THAT.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS GOING TO BE KIND OF LONG WHAT COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND WAS GETTING AT WAS SOME OF THE OLDER FACILITIES THAT YOU HAVE.

SO ARE YOU GOING TO BE MOVING OR SELLING THE OLD, UM, WHERE THE, UM, NUTRITION CENTER IS NOW IDEAL RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO MOWERS AS MUCH.

UH, I THINK OUR THINGS RIGHT NOW, WE'LL KEEP IT FOR NOW.

WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE MARKET DEVELOPS IN THAT AREA.

AND THEN SOME MORE, I DON'T THINK OUR THOUGHT PROCESS RIGHT NOW, WE'LL PROBABLY MINIMIZE IT DOWN TO A WORKABLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING.

UH, AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT SOME POINT THAT PROPERTY MAY HAVE VALUE.

SEE WHAT, OH, OKAY.

MY LAST QUESTION, PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE.

UM, I THINK OFF OF DOWNING STREET, THERE'S A TENNIS FACILITY AT THE CITY AND IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT I'VE EVER BEEN,

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UH, WE HAVE AGREED TO MAKE A MORE SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

OUR GOAL IS TO GET THOSE COURTS.

UH, WE KNOW ONE IS TO GET THEM USABLE.

THE SECOND IS HOW DO WE PATROL THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY STAY HERE? BUT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST OUT THEORIES, THEY TURN INTO SKATE PARKS IN BASEBALL AND THAT STUFF RIGHT THERE.

AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING.

WE THINK WE'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE Y'ALL ARE GOING TO SEE IT BY BOARD IS ONBOARD WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS.

ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR THE OLD MIDDLE SCHOOL, EAST CAMPUS, ANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS? I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW LONG THEY STAY, HOW LONG BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF THAT PLACE, COST OF AIR CONDITIONING, YOU KNOW, THE PARK RENOVATED THOSE THINGS, WALK THROUGH THAT FACILITY RENOVATION.

UH, IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THIS TOPIC AGAIN, I THINK PART OF THE NEXT BOND PROJECT, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION.

THERE ARE PARTS OF THAT BUILDING CAN BILLION INDUSTRY STANDARD BEHIND THAT.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THERE ARE OFFICES, THAT GROUP WILL BE MOVING TO BENCHMARK.

WE CAN DO SOME THINGS THERE TO CREATE.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PARTS OF THAT.

I THINK THE GYM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

AND ALSO THE PART OF THE BOND PROJECT.

THERE'S ALSO PARTS OF THAT I'VE BEEN IN THERE.

IT'S A UM, I GUESS MY LAST, I GUESS QUESTION COMMENT IS YOU TALKED ABOUT LOWERING THE INS RATE 2 CENTS LAST YEAR AND DOING IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.

UM, ONE THING WE HEAR A LOT FROM OUR CITIZENS IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S TAXES ARE WAY TOO HIGH AND THEY, THEY BLAME US AND THEY BLAME YOU AT THE SAME TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO SEE WE'VE BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF LOWERING OUR TAX RATE AND HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STUDENT, THE SAME WARDEN HASN'T TRUSTED ME.

AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO LOWER THAT THING.

I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT, BUT FOR THE NEXT BOND, WHAT DOES THAT AMOUNT AND WHAT DOES THAT DO? RIGHT? WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY WORK YOU LEAVE WHEN YOU LEFT FOR ANOTHER $150 MILLION IN THE TAX RATE.

AND I THINK WE STRUCTURE IT WELL ENOUGH.

WE COULD PROBABLY BE TOO, UH, BUT I THINK IRS TAX RATE, TAX RATE ENGINE, VERY AWARE, WE KNOW THE ACTUAL MEAN THE NUMBER OF BOOKS FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND THINGS THAT HAVE ASTRONOMICAL WHERE YOU REALIZE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE, WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE HOMES TO BE BUILT.

SO WE TAX THOSE PEOPLE TO BUILD THOSE SO I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT.

IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE.

[8. Discussion and possible action on the Enterprise rental fleet program.]

ALL RIGHT.

I AM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ENTERPRISE RENTAL FLEET PROGRAM.

CHRIS.

SO, UH, WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM ABOUT A YEAR-ISH AGO.

UH, WE'RE HERE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, UH, BEEN SOME SMALL CHANGES TO THE ECONOMY AND AUTO SALES AND THE MARKET.

UM, BUT OVERALL IT'S GOING PHENOMENALLY WELL, UH, WE'RE HERE TO PROPOSE THE FUTURE, AS I SAID, I'D COME BACK AS WE WANT TO ADD VEHICLES.

AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME PROPOSED VEHICLES, BUT I'VE GOT SOME VEHICLES THAT'LL WORK AS PART OF THE PROGRAM, NOT COST US.

AND I GOT SOME THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IN THE BUDGET TO LEASE INSTEAD OF PURCHASE.

SO TURN IT OVER TO PHIL AND THANKS, CHRIS.

AND THANK YOU.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU.

UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH COLLEEN IN PARTICULAR OF ANNE CRISPER, HER ABILITY BEEN CHAMPIONS, UM, PIONEER IN THIS PROGRAM REGION, THE RESULTS WILL SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS, UH, AND THE SAVINGS THAT THE CITY WILL EXPERIENCE.

BUT, UM, BECAUSE YOU

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KNOW, SORT OF PASTED CHRIS AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WE'VE EXPANDED THE PROGRAM.

IT'S LIKE I SAID, SEVERAL COUNTY REPORT.

SO AGAIN, REALLY APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP.

UH, FIRST YEAR, UH, IS PROBABLY SEEN IN THE VIEWS OF THE AUTO INDUSTRY IS, UH, GOING THROUGH SOME CHALLENGES.

UM, BUT THE RESULTS FOR THE CITY HAVE BEEN BETTER THAN EXPECTED.

SO REALLY MY AGENDA FOR TODAY IS JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM THROUGH THE FIRST YEAR.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS.

UM, IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT ITEM HERE, UH, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW.

HOPEFULLY YOU ALL HAVE ANY NUTS BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT, UM, THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW IS THAT THE ENTIRE LEASE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON COST, JUST OVER $270,000 GO INTO THE PROGRAM.

UH, THE EQUITY THAT WILL BE RETURNED FROM THE 2112 MONTH LEASE VEHICLES IS JUST OVER $200,000.

SO THE AD SPEND FOR 33 VEHICLES FOR THE YEAR IS JUST OVER $67,000.

AND THAT FOOTNOTE OF THAT $67,000, ROUGHLY 60 OF THAT IS FUEL AND MAINTENANCE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY YOU GO OUT AND BUY THE CHECK YOURSELF.

SO, UM, THE KEY TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT THE PROGRAM IS SELF-SUSTAINING, YOU HAVE 33 VEHICLES THAT PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

UM, SO YOU'VE GONE FROM A POSITION WHERE YOU HAVE TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL BUDGET FUNDS VIA VEHICLE EVERY, EVERY YEAR, MULTIPLE VEHICLES EVERY YEAR TO NOW, YOU KNOW, THIS POPULATION OF VEHICLES FULL PAY FOR ITSELF.

UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT CHRIS ALLUDED TO WAS WITH THE AUTO INDUSTRY, OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO ROTATE 21 OF THOSE 30 OUT EVERY 12 MONTHS, UNFORTUNATELY, GENERAL MOTORS, WASN'T ABLE TO FULFILL THE ORDER THAT WAS PLACED.

SO AS A SOLUTION, WE STAND READY.

WE BEING ENTERPRISE, UH, STAND READY TO EXTEND THE LEASE AS AN ADDITIONAL 12 MONTHS OR PAYMENTS WILL NOT CHANGE WHATSOEVER.

AND THEN WE'LL ISSUE A CHECK FOR THE EQUITY.

YOU'LL STILL FROM A FINANCE PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, ALL PRACTICALITY.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE YOU'RE GOING TO BE HANGING OUT AT THE TREMONT ADDITIONAL YEAR.

WHEREAS NOW THERE'S ONE CAVEAT, BUT I THINK IT REALLY JUST SPEAKS TO THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE PROGRAM QUITE FRANKLY.

UM, AND THEN KNOWING IT REALLY PREDICT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND WE'RE STILL ABLE TO EXECUTE.

UM, I'M THRILLED OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE RESULTS KIND OF SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE PARTNERSHIP, UM, COULDN'T BE A SUCCESS.

SO, UM, BEFORE I SKIP AHEAD, I JUST WANT TO, THERE WAS A LOT IN THAT Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I KIND OF DIVE INTO THE DETAILS.

YEP.

PERFECT.

SO, UM, JUST MOVING ON, THIS JUST SHOWS A DIAGRAM OF THE AVERAGE PILOT FLEET.

UM, AGAIN, IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR BINOCULARS, YOU CAN SEE WHAT ALL, WHAT IT SHOWS IS THAT PRIOR TO ENGAGING IN THE PARTNERSHIP, YOU HAD SEVERAL VEHICLES OVER 200,000 MILES.

UH, WE REPLACED ALL OF THOSE VEHICLES AND THEN SOME, UM, OH, THERE WE GO.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY IN THE FIRST YEAR OF A PARTNERSHIP, A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN, UH, LOWER MILEAGE FLEET, WHICH JUST DRIVES DOWN COST DOWN ON THE MAINTENANCE.

SO, UH, GOING ON TO THE NEXT PIECE, UH, THIS JUST SHOWS THE AVERAGE DELIBERATE PRICE.

SO THIS IS REALLY WHAT DRIVES THE ENGINE OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, SO VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE AVERAGE PRICE OF THE VEHICLES THAT YOU'VE PURCHASED, OR IT WAS 40,000, ROUGHLY $40,000.

THE INCENTIVES THAT YOU GET AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY ARE JUST ABOUT $10,000.

AND THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS US TO ROTATE THESE VEHICLES OUT EVERY 12 MONTHS, BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO SELL THESE VEHICLES FOR MORE THAN WHAT YOU PAID FOR THEM IN MOST CASES WHERE THAT CAVEAT DOES NOT APPLY AGAIN, AS CHRIS ALLUDED TO IS VEHICLES THAT REQUIRE HEAVY AFTER MARKET EQUIPMENT.

UM, SO I KNOW SOME OF THE WISHLIST ITEMS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED OR IT'S LIKE A DUMP BODY TRUCK, A CRANE, UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THOSE PROGRAMS, BUT FRANKLY THEY DON'T PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

WE CAN REDUCE THE COSTS.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME SITUATION AS JUST YOUR BASIC PICKUP.

SAME THING WITH LIKE THE STREET SWEEPER, I MEAN, RIGHT.

FALLS IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.

WE STARTED THAT TREND WITH THE STREET SWEEPER AND BOTH TO, TO, TO BE CLEAR THE POPULATION OF VEHICLES THAT I'VE PRESENTED INCLUDES THE RIGHT BUS, THE STREET SWEEPER.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PROGRAM IS SELF-SUSTAINING ESSENTIALLY, YOU NEED, YOU NEED ADDITIONAL 12 MONTH LEASES TO SORT OF OFFSET THE COST OF MOVING BEYOND THE AVERAGE DELIVERY

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PRICE.

UM, THE ORDER TIGHT.

THIS IS WHAT IS REALLY CRITICAL IN TERMS OF TIMING AND WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

NOW, OF COURSE, L ARE GOING THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS, BUT THE MANUFACTURERS ARE GOING TO HAVE VERY TIGHT ORDER WINDOWS.

AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU IS THAT PURCHASING A VEHICLE OFF THE DEALERSHIP LOT RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO COST YOU BETWEEN 10 AND $15,000 MORE PER VEHICLE AND BUYING IT CORRECTLY.

SO KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS, FRANKLY, THAT ARE SAYING, WELL, ALL THESE CANCELLATIONS, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO THROUGH A DEALER LOT? AND THE REALITY IS WE CAN DO THAT AROUND TIMES.

ACTUAL NDA, INCREASING COSTS IS VERY FAST.

SO, UM, OUR ABILITY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS EARLY, THE ORDER BANKS FOR GENERAL MOTORS IN PARTICULAR.

UM, SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, NOW WE CAN DISCUSS BUDGET ITEMS ON OF THOSE EXTRA WISHLIST ITEMS. AS LONG AS WE HAVE OUR DECISION MADE PRIOR TO MAY, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION AND PLACE THOSE.

SO, SO LET ME JUST INTERJECT.

UM, SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THE 15 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.

THERE'S PROBABLY 10 THAT'LL THAT FIT INTO THIS MODEL, RESALE AND PROFIT AND REINVESTMENT.

THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONES I'D PROPOSE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE ONES THAT ARE THE BUCKET TRUCKS AND THE IN, IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE BRING FORWARD DURING BUDGET TIMEFRAME AND SAY, LET'S DO A LEASE, BUT LET'S MAKE IT PART OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE, THAT'S ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE'D HAVE TO SPEND OUTSIDE OF THIS PROGRAM.

UM, SO I'M NOT COMING ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY.

I'M ASKING FOR AGAIN, VEHICLES THAT WILL RESELL AND, AND, AND CREATE THAT REVENUE STREAM.

BY THE CITY FROM WHAT YOU SPENT IN ON MAINTENANCE, SO THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, SOME HEARTBURNS AND WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, EXPENSE, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY AS YOU KNOW, NO SURPRISE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT 33 BRAND NEW VEHICLES, THEY WOULD HAVE A LOWER MAINTENANCE COMPONENT THAN THE 33 THAT THEY REPLACED.

BUT AS HE SAID, MAY IS KIND OF THE TIMEFRAME.

THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT FORWARD.

WE GOTTA MAKE THAT DECISION TO GET OUR ORDER IN.

OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 18 MONTHS AND PLUS ON ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, NO MATTER WHAT, RIGHT.

BUT KNOW, I'M AN OPTIMIST.

SO I'M STILL LIKE, AND A LONG REST OF THE SITUATION, BUT YOU DID NOTHING WRONG WITH THE WORDS THAT YOU PLACED.

WE ACTUALLY PLACED ANGLETON'S ORDERS THREE DAYS AFTER THE ORDER BANKS.

SO ALL WE CAN DO IS KIND OF TOTALLY ROLL IN PLACE.

LITERALLY THE DAY THAT THEY OPENED IN GENERAL MOTORS IS KIND OF SAYING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY, AND THAT THEY'RE ON THE WORST OF IT IS BEYOND THEM, FRANKLY, THE INVENTORIES, IF YOU SEE A DEALERSHIP IS IMPROVING, I AM OPTIMISTIC, BUT WE REALLY, REALLY NEED IT.

WHATEVER THE DECISION IS, WE NEED TO BE READY TO GO.

UM, SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER TYPE, WE CAN KIND OF MOVE INTO FUEL EXPENSE.

UM, AGAIN, NOT MUCH TO SEE HERE, THE REALITY IS THAT PRICE OF FUEL WENT UP, UH, WHICH THE TEXAS PART DID NOT EVERYBODY IS UPSET ABOUT, BUT THAT'S JUST THE REALITY.

UM, YOUR FUEL EXPENSE ON A PER GALLON BASIS WENT DOWN ABOUT 12%.

UM, THE COST ITSELF WAS ABOUT FLAT TO A LITTLE BIT OFF IT AGAIN, THAT WAS DRIVEN BY THE PRICE OF FUEL UNSURPRISING BRAND NEW TRUCKS GET BETTER.

UH, SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE SUMMATION OF THE PROGRAM AS IT STANDS TODAY.

UM, AGAIN, THERE'S THAT, WE'RE THE WISHLIST BETWEEN FIRE DEPARTMENTS? NO PROBLEM BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS CITY HALL, UM, IS ROUGHLY 20 VEHICLES ON THE WISHLIST.

IF YOU WILL, 15 OF THOSE WOULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING, UM, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE PROGRAM TODAY.

THERE ARE AGAIN, UH, SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL VEHICLES WITH HEAVY AFTERMARKET THAT I CAN PUT PRICING TOGETHER.

AND THE NEXT TIME THAT THAT COMES UP FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OF THOSE.

BUT, UH, TO CHRIS'S POINT, WE CAN S WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS BEING RAISED.

AND SOME OF THOSE NEW VEHICLES WILL BE LIKE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMAND VEHICLES THAT NOW ARE AGING AND FALLING INTO THAT CATEGORY.

DECEMBER PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND REC AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

WELL, WE WENT INTO THIS PROGRAM REALLY WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD SEE A LOT MORE, UH, REDUCED COST AND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE FACILITY OF, OF THE FLEET.

AND ARE WE SEEING THAT? YES.

SO IN THE FIRST YEAR, THE CITY RECOGNIZED ABOUT 20% DECREASE IN MAINTENANCE EXPENSE.

UM, WE WOULD ALL BE OBVIOUSLY IS MORE OF THE FLEET GETS CYCLED OUT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE THAT, UM, EXPAND THE FUEL COMPONENT.

AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED WAS ROUGHLY FLAT, BUT THAT WAS DRIVEN BY THE INCREASE IN FUEL PRICES, BUT YES, MAINTENANCE, UH, EXPENSE FROM 2020 TO 2021 DID SEE A SUBSTANTIAL DECREASE COVERT CHRIS HILL.

YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT? WELL, AS NUMBERS PROVIDED

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SO REMEMBER, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF A YEAR-ISH INTO THIS PROGRAM.

SO THE, I MEAN, THE TRENDS ARE THERE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WE'RE JUST NOT, WE DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY FROM DATA.

PLUS WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE FIRST YEAR OF SALES REALLY TO YEAH.

AND IT'S REALLY PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE THAT HAD THE LARGEST REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE PORTIONS OF IT.

SO I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST KIND OF GOT STARTED ON IT.

HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN IN THE, ON THE POLICE SIDE? UH, ONLY MAYBE FOUR MONTHS.

IT HASN'T BEEN VERY LONG UNDER THE LEASING ISSUES WHERE AGAIN, SUPPLY CHAIN PREVENTED.

YOU JUST, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE GOT, JUST EVEN GETTING A VEHICLE BUILT, ADD ON ALL THE AFTERMARKET COMPONENTS YOU'RE AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ADDITIONAL TIME, THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF THE STATE OF THE UNION STUFF OFF THE LOT.

UM, SO IT WAS A GREAT, YOU KNOW, IT, AND IT ALL WORKED OUT BEFORE SOME OF THE REALLY INCREASES HIT AND STUFF.

SO WE GOT, I'VE GOT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE LOOKING AT POLICE VEHICLES.

I FOUND ONE THAT WAS ON THE LOT RIGHT NOW, AND IT WON'T BE READY UPFIT FOR 10 MONTHS, UH, OUTFIT.

MAYBE BECAUSE AT LEAST THE COMMUNICATION I WAS GIVEN IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUY IT FROM US, YOU HAVE TO UPFIT IT WITH US.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET IN THE BACK OF THE LINE AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE 10 MONTHS.

THAT'S BAD WHEN YOU'VE GOT UNITS THAT NAVY ON PATROL AND, AND THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE CITY'S ESSENTIALLY, UH, SHARING VEHICLES WITH, THROUGHOUT THE UNIT.

AND WHEN ONE GOES DOWN AND IT'S GOING, I MEAN, IT'S A VERY FRUSTRATING SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY FOR THEM, BUT FOR MYSELF, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO GET THEM A VEHICLE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE REALITY.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF FRANKLY PLANNING AHEAD AND NOT GETTING INTO THAT SITUATION.

UM, IT'S, IT'S EASY TO SAY, LET'S DO, YOU KNOW, KICK IT OUT ANOTHER YEAR UNTIL THERE'S NO SOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO WHAT WAS THE STORY ABOUT WITH THE TRUCK? AND IT WAS UP IN SOMEWHERE KANSAS AND THE TORNADO HIT AND YEAH.

SO WE HAD IT.

WE, WE ACTUALLY, FOR, FOR YOU GUYS, WE SECURED SECURITY VEHICLE.

UM, AND IT WAS JUST IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT, SIGNED THE QUOTE AND A TORNADO HIT, AND THEY COULDN'T GET IT TO US FOR THREE WEEKS OR WHATEVER THE TIMEFRAME TIMEFRAME WAS GOING TO BE.

LUCKILY THAT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER THERE WAS A USED ONE IS A LOT HERE IN TOWN AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIND, UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IF IT'S NOT CANADIANS SHUTTING DOWN ROADS, IT'S A HURRICANE OR TORNADO OR WHATEVER ELSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALL I SAY IS WE CAN ONLY CONTROL CERTAIN THINGS AND THAT'S JUST TO BE PROACTIVE.

UM, THE PROGRAM WORKS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MATH IS, IS WHAT IT IS.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A CRAZY TIME IN THE INDUSTRY FOR SURE.

BUT I WILL SAY IT IS IN PERPETUITY THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THIS PROGRAM TO REALLY SEE THE SAVINGS.

WE COULDN'T STOP TOMORROW AND GO BACK AND START PURCHASING OUR FLEET.

WE WOULD PAY, YOU COULD, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'D HAVE TO WAIT.

YOU KNOW WHAT, RUNNING 33 VEHICLES FOR $60,000, ISN'T FOR ME, I'D RATHER GO OUT AND PAY CASH AND BUY A TRUCK.

AND, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR POSITION, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW YOU TO LEASE THE VEHICLES AS LONG AS YOU NEED YOU TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION.

UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S FAR FROM WHAT WE WOULD WANT, BUT YEAH, THERE'S, THERE IS NO RISK IN TERMS OF LIKE, OH, WELL, YOU DECIDE, YOU DON'T WANT TO PARTNER WITH US, GIVE US OUR TRUCKS BACK IN.

Y'ALL FIGURE IT OUT.

LIKE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK.

I WILL SAY THAT THE, UM, TWO BY ONE POLICE UNIT AND OUTFIT IT THE WAY WE WANT IT TALKING TO 60, 68 AND 65, 60 $8,000.

YEP.

SO ONE DAY THAT'S JUST A GOOD COMPARISON, RIGHT THERE.

JUST ONE UNIT.

NO, THE THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE FILLER GIFTS TAKE A BREAK.

WE'RE GETTING THERE.

DOES ENTERPRISE DO LOANS ON GAS? NOT YET.

NOT YET, BUT SO I'D LIKE, UH, SOME GUIDANCE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INCREASING.

YOU WANT 15 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.

I BELIEVE THAT IS THE NUMBER.

I MEAN, FROM PUBLIC WORKS WELL, IT'S, IT'S MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS.

IT'S FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMAND VEHICLE IS PUBLIC WORKS.

UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS FOUR CITY HALL HAS TWO, UH, PARKS HAS ONE AND THEN THE IT DEPARTMENT HAS A VAN AS WELL AT 16.

I'VE GOT, IF IT'S HELPFUL.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I CAN GET W PROBABLY LIST SOMEWHERE I'M I MISS THAT.

WHAT? SO, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE THREE VEHICLES.

UH, PUBLIC WORKS WOULD LIKE A TOTAL OF 5, 6, 7, 9, BUT WITHIN THAT NINE THERE'S TWO UTILITY BODIES.

ONE CRANE AND ONE DUMP.

SO THERE'S FIVE TRUCKS THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN SORT OF THE STANDARD PURVIEW OF THE PROGRAM.

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SO SCOOP DO VAN SCOOBY-DOO VAN OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE I'M IN FAVOR OF 15, 16 WHEN YOU GAVE THAT MATH, BUT MAYBE I WAS WRONG.

3, 4, 2, ALL GOING TO PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

IT'S MAGIC TWICE AND FUZZY MATH THERE.

UH, I BELIEVE YOU.

BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT I DON'T, THERE'S AN, IT'S JUST A COST, RIGHT? SO IT'S A FIXED COST THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING OUT FOR A 10 MILLION BOND AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT RAISING THE M AND O AND M MARTY'S TO STARTING TO THINK ABOUT APPLES ORANGES HERE TO, TO REALLY FIGURE OUT WHERE WE, WHERE WE GO.

UM, I'M THINKING SOME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GROW INTO LIKE WE'VE STARTED.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'D SAY 15 IS THE RIGHT NUMBER THOUGH.

WELL, I THINK THE CONCERN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WHEN YOU, MAYBE YOU ALREADY UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF FORECASTING, RIGHT? I MEAN, NOT JUST WHAT WE PRESENTLY NEED, BUT ANTICIPATING WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET OUR, THE TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR US TO GET OUR HANDS ON THESE VEHICLES, ALTHOUGH IT FITS IN OUR FISCAL YEAR, I GUESS 23.

UM, I GUESS WE WON'T LIKELY SEE ALL THESE VEHICLES ACTUALLY IN THE YEAR 23.

UH THAT'S YEAH.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT IT IS FORECASTING.

UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS I MENTIONED, THE FACTORY ORDER WINDOW WILL OPEN IN MAY.

THEY WON'T START BUILDING UNTIL JULY.

AND THEN THE LEAD TIME IS 26 TO 28 WEEKS.

AS OF NOW THAT IT'S A MOVING TARGET.

SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THESE VEHICLES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, THIS CALENDAR YEAR, BUT MORE LIKELY IT'S, YOU KNOW, Q1 20, 23 BEFORE THE VEHICLES ACTUALLY START LANDING AND YOU START PAYING FOR THEM.

AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, THE CASHFLOW COMPONENT IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THESE VEHICLES FOR A YEAR BEFORE WE SELL THEM.

AND THEN YOU GET, YOU KNOW, THE PROCEEDS IN EXCESS OF WHAT YOU PAID FOR THEM.

SO WHILE THEY DO, UH, THEY DO CERTAINLY PAY FOR THEMSELVES.

AND THEN SOME, UM, THERE IS A CASHFLOW COMPONENT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, YOU'RE NOT WRONG THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, BALANCING THIS WITH THE, THE BUDGET YEAR AND WHEN THEY DELIVER AND LAND, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS PARTICULARLY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THOSE TYPES OF VEHICLES, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LEAN INTO THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AND JUST, EVEN IF YOU'RE HESITANT, GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THOSE BECAUSE THOSE VEHICLES, YOU WILL NOT SEE IN 2022, I CAN TELL YOU, EVEN IF THEY SHOW UP WITH THE TIMELINE, NOW YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO FOR THE AFTERMARKET UPFIT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR HOW, YOU KNOW, POLICE DEPARTMENTS NEED VEHICLES AND THEY CAN'T GET THEM.

SO YOU MIGHT SEE IN JULY BACK AGAIN, IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD, NOW I'M NOT AGAINST MOVING FORWARD.

WHAT I I'M JUST WANTING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES.

SO, SO DIDN'T TELL US WHAT YOUR LIMIT IS.

I MEAN, I AGREE ON THE POLICE UNITS.

I UNDERSTAND THE LONG LEAD TIME AND THOSE NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN.

WE'RE ALREADY SEEING VERY POSITIVE RESULTS WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT AND WE'RE ONLY FOUR MONTHS IN WITH THE NEW UNITS.

SO I REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT THAT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE GOES DOWN TO REALLY KIND OF HELP PAY FOR THAT.

AND I THINK IT WILL FIRE DEPARTMENT I'M ON BOARD WITH, I'M NOT SURE THEY SAID FOUR OR 3, 3, 3 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I THINK IT WAS FOUR FOR THE PD FOR, UM, FOR, FOR FIRE, FOR, FOR PD.

I'M NOT SURE FOR, FOR FIRE, BUT, UM, TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS ENTERPRISE PROGRAM, BECAUSE I CAN SEE CURRENT AND FUTURE VALUE IN THIS.

BUT, BUT TONIGHT I'M NOT READY TO SAY HOW MANY VEHICLES, BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW MORE THAN JUST THIS NUMBER HERE.

WELL, WE ADDING VEHICLES TO THE FLEET.

ARE WE REPLACING VEHICLES THAT ARE ABOUT TO FALL OFF THE WHEELS FIXED TO FALL OFF? I WANNA, I WANNA, I WANNA DELVE IN PRETTY DEEPLY TO THE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, WE GOT PEOPLE RIDING IN THE BED OF THE TRUCK BECAUSE IT HAVE A PLACE IN THE SEAT TO DRY, RIGHT.

OR, OR, OR, OR ARE WE GOING TO JUST GO, JUST LIMIT TO ONE PERSON IN THE CAB AT A TIME EVERYBODY GETS A TRUCK, YOU KNOW? UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, AS I SAID THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEAN, BUT I WANT TO BE PRUDENT ABOUT THE VEHICLE.

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SOME OF IT IS.

SO WE'RE, WE'VE DONE THAT, UM, PAUL PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLES IN PUBLIC WORKS THAT ARE TWO CEDARS.

AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE OUT NOW YOU'RE TAKING ONE VEHICLE OUT INSTEAD OF TWO.

UM, BUT REALLY IT'S, WE'RE NOT AT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ADDING, WE'RE JUST REPLACING CURRENT VEHICLES.

ALL 15 YOU'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT VEHICLE FOR A ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN SERVICE.

WE WOULD SELL A VEHICLE ONCE WE GET THE NEW VEHICLE.

AND ARE THESE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE SELLING, ARE THEY OWNED BY THE CITY OR ARE THEY, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THESE 15 WERE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES THAT WERE NOT CURRENTLY INSIDE OF OUR CURRENT FLEET.

NO, THESE ARE, THESE WERE REPLACEMENTS.

SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE REPLACEMENTS, RIGHT? OKAY.

IT HAS A CAR.

OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S A NEW, THAT'S A NEW ONE.

I APOLOGIZE.

NO.

SO LIKE IN JOHN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT, FOR INSTANCE, IT DOESN'T HAVE A VEHICLE.

CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? UM, FOR INSTANCE, IT IS A NEED OF A VAN.

JASON IS USING HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE TO RUN ALL OVER THE CITY AND IT WOULD HELP IF HE CAN HAVE ALL HIS COMPONENTS WITH THEM.

SO THAT VEHICLE WON'T BE A CELL BECAUSE THERE IS NO VEHICLE THERE.

UM, WE SEE A LOT OF CITY HALL PEOPLE GOING OUT OF TOWN FOR CONFERENCES OR CLASSES, AND THERE'S NO VEHICLE THERE.

WE WOULD CUT DOWN ON THE MILEAGE.

WE'RE PAYING TO EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THEIR CAR.

IF WE HAD ONE CAR FOR CITY HALL THAT WE COULD ALL BORROW, EVEN IF IT'S A HYBRID KIND OF THING.

SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VEHICLES ON THIS LIST THAT ARE NOT, WOULD NOT HAVE A SALE FOR THE OTHER VEHICLE, BUT THE REST WOULD, WE USED TO HAVE CITY HALL VEHICLES AND WE WENT AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE WE HAD EMPLOYEES WITH CARLA ALLOWANCE AND WE SAID, WELL, IF YOU HAVE A CAR ALLOWANCE, YOU SHOULD BE TAKING YOUR CAR.

UH, AND THEN WE GOT RID OF THOSE VEHICLES AS THEY AGED.

I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE STILL, YEAH.

ONE OF THEM IS A CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY CAR.

SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE POLICY.

UM, SO TALKING THREE, THREE OF THOSE 15 ARE NEW VEHICLES.

UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? UM, NO, NOT THAT I CAN TELL.

NO, JUST THE, THE VAN, UM, THE CITY HALL VEHICLE.

UH, YEAH.

UM, THE FIRE.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A CELL OR NOT.

IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY WE COULD PUT THIS BACK ON NEXT AGENDA WITH PARTICULARS AND THE PARTICULARS I'M SEEKING OR WHAT ITEMS ARE PARTICULARLY WANTING? WHAT PARTICULAR VEHICLES FOR WHAT DEPARTMENTS? WELL, NO, BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN MY PRESENTATION.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN MY PACKAGE.

I MISSED THE SUMMARY IS THE IT WHERE IT SAYS AN ADDITIONAL BLANK VEHICLES AND THERE HAS A LISTED OUT, BUT FIRE DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER ALSO.

FIRE'S ASKING FOR TWO F150 AND, UH, AN F 50 AND AN EXPEDITION.

AND THEN ON THE INVERSE OF THAT, COULD YOU PROVIDE AN INVENTORY OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE SOLD ONCE THESE ARE BROUGHT IN, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SO I GOT 2010 THE FIRST TIME FOR US.

SO ONCE, ONCE THE, ONCE I HAVE THAT LIST OF VEHICLES, WE CAN PUT EQUITY VALUES ON WHAT WE THINK WE CAN SELL IT FOR.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ALL, ALL OF YOURS THAT YOU CAN BE USED TO OFFSET COSTS FOR THE FLEET PROGRAM OR ELSEWHERE WOULD HAVE YOU BE A GOOD TIME TO SELL A USED VEHICLE.

IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST TIME IN OUR LIFETIME.

YES, THAT BUDGET CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD, BUT THAT'S, THAT TRUCK IS GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF.

I DO NOT WANT TO HOLD UP THE POLICE UNITS THOUGH.

THAT'S THE THING THAT THE LONG LEAD TIME ON THESE POLICE UNITS? WELL, THERE, THE REALITY IS WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL, UH, MAY ANYWAYS, RIGHT? UM, NOT TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD KICK THE CAN, BUT WE DO HAVE TIME.

THAT'S KIND OF, WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS INITIAL DISCUSSION, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PROGRAM IS DOING THUS FAR, AND THEN JUST BEGIN, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE TALKS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS VEHICLES LIKE THE CITY HALL THAT ARE JUST TRANSPORTATION.

I CAN UNDERSTAND FROM A CASHFLOW PERSPECTIVE AND BUDGET PERSPECTIVE THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO CONSIDERATION.

BUT YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT USED VEHICLES, YOU, YOU PURCHASE THESE TRUCKS FOR 20 TO $23,000 AND THEY'RE GOING TO SELL FOR $34,000.

UM, AND SO

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AND THEN SOME, UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, THAT WHILE THE INDUSTRY IS PRESENTING ITSELF, SOME CHALLENGES THAT USE TRUCK MARKET, UM, I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO KIND OF LEAN INTO THAT.

UM, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, WELL, OBVIOUSLY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THE BUDGET.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL WE CAN GET THOSE PARTICULARS, UH, BOTH ON WHAT IS REQUESTED AND WHAT IS TO BE SOLD AND TO DO IT IN A TIMELY FASHION THAT WE'RE READY TO MAKE OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR PURCHASE UNTIL, UM, IN MAY OR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE OUR ORDER, I GUESS THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD.

APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP.

I MEAN, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'LL COME BACK AND PROVIDE THAT.

IS THAT SOMEBODY ELSE? IS THERE ANYTHING YET, IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE, ANYTHING.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION YOU ENJOYED IT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROPOSAL FROM IED ARCHITECTS FOR PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES TO DESIGN PRODUCE CONSTRUCT, CONTRACT DOCUMENTS AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROJECT.

[9. Discussion and possible action on a proposal from iAD Architects for professional architectural and engineering services to design, produce construction contract documents, and construction administration of the project. ]

SO, UH, WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AOC AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK AT THE LAST MEETING.

I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING.

UM, SO WE'VE GOT A, UH, PROPOSAL, WHICH WE DID DUE DILIGENCE ON, UH, AND WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO QUESTION INTERROGATE, UM, GET ADVICE FROM WHATEVER, UH, SO WE CAN MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

SO AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CERTIFICATES OBLIGATION AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT.

UH, BUT WE'RE KIND OF AT THE POINT WHERE WE WANT TO GET IT MOVING.

UM, AND SO WE'VE, UH, UH, PROFESSIONALLY DISCUSSED WITH BRENT ABOUT, UH, WHO'S A LOCAL ARCHITECT, UH, TO DO THE WHOLE PROCESS.

AND SO THAT'S START TO FINISH.

THAT'S MAKING THE TOUGH DECISIONS WITH US.

THAT'S ADVISING US, THAT'S UPDATING US.

UM, SO WE, WE, WE SIT BACK AND IT IN AND, AND GET, GET THE UPDATES AND DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE.

AND AT THE END, WE ALL CELEBRATE BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT PRODUCT, SO, RIGHT, GREAT.

THAT'S RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT.

THAT WAS GREAT.

UM, SO WE'RE PLEASED TO INTRODUCE TO YOU BRENT BOWLS, WHO CAN EXPLAIN THE PROPOSAL A LITTLE BETTER.

STREET, YOU BID PUBLICLY, YOU GET YOUR BIDS IN FROM QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS, AND THEN YOU TEAR OPEN THOSE SEALED PROPOSALS.

COUNSEL, MR. CITY MANAGER.

MY NAME IS BRENT BALLS WITH IED ARCHITECTS.

WE'RE JUST DOWN THE ROAD, MAY JACKSON, TEXAS.

UH, I'M SURE YOU'VE INVESTIGATED US FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD, BORN AND RAISED IN THE AREA.

SO I CAN'T GIVE IT TO THE MORE LOCAL THAN I AM.

UM, WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU A PRESENTATION PROPOSAL FOR COMPLETE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR YOUR PROPOSED AOC BUILDING DOWN ON DOWNING STREET.

AS MR. WHITAKER MENTIONED WHERE OUR PROPOSAL DOES INCLUDE THE FULL GAMUT OF PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES FROM PRE DESIGN SERVICES, SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, BID NEGOTIATION, CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION, AND PROJECT CLOSE OUT.

THAT INCLUDES THE ARCHITECTURE COMPONENT, ALL ENGINEERING SERVICES, INCLUDING THE CIVIL STRUCTURAL MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING GEO-TECHNICAL, UH, SEOUL BOARD SERVICES AND WINDSTORM COMPLIANCE, ALL THAT IS BUNDLED IN THAT PRESENTATION THAT YOU SEE THERE TONIGHT.

UM, MR. WHITAKER ALSO ASKED TO ME TO GIVE A SMALL BRIEF IF I CAN, UM, KIND OF INFOMERCIAL ON YOUR CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY METHODS.

UM, MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPICAL DESIGN BID BUILD, WHERE YOU SIT AROUND WITH YOUR CLIENT, YOUR ARCHITECT, AND YOU DESIGN YOU BASE IT ON A BUDGET, YOU THINK IS PRETTY ACCURATE AND YOUR ARCHITECT SHOULD KNOW, UM, CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

UM, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS, IS THAT AS FLUID AND VOLATILE IS AS THE MARKET IS THESE DAYS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET PRETTY TIGHT ON THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET, ESPECIALLY DELIVERY TIMES LONG LEAD ITEMS, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

SO THERE CAN BE SOME CHALLENGES BY NOT HAVING A CONTRACTOR AT THE TABLE.

UM, BUT IN THAT TYPICAL DESIGN BID BUILD OPPORTUNITY, OWNER AND ARCHITECT ARE LEFT TO THEIR OWN DEVICES TO AIM TOWARDS A COMPLETED, UH, FACILITY WITH A ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION BUDGET.

YOU PUT IT OUT ON THE

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AND YOU WAIT FOR THE SHOCK TO SEE IF WE WERE ON BUDGET OR NOT.

AND TYPICALLY WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON WHAT WE THINK THAT BUDGET IS GOING TO BE.

BUT AGAIN, STATE OF THE WORLD, STATE OF THE ECONOMY SET OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, ALL RIGHT, NOW IT'S A CHALLENGE TO, TO NAIL DOWN, UH, CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

SO ANOTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY METHOD IS YOUR DESIGN BUILD OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONTRACTING WITH A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, THE ARCTIC ENGINEER WORKED FOR THAT CONTRACTOR.

SO YOU GET THE ADVICE, THE REAL-TIME PRICING FROM THAT CONTRACTOR.

HE USED PRIME, THE CON THE CITY WOULD ACTUALLY CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND THEN YOU GIVE HIM A BUDGET.

HE SITS AT THE DESIGN TABLE, BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRANSPARENCY.

THAT'S SHOWN BACK AND FORTH.

HE'S GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM A BUDGET.

HE'S GOING TO WORK TOWARDS THAT BUDGET.

HE'S GOING TO BUY OUT THAT CONSTRUCTION PRICE DOWN THE ROAD, AND YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO SEE ANY OF THAT.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT GAVE YOU A DRAWBACK IS THE PROVERBIAL.

YOU'VE GOT THE FOX GUARDING THE HEN HOUSE, KIND OF A SCENARIO, WHEREAS AT THE ARCTIC AND ENGINEER WORKED FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.

AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT ANY GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT THEY'RE HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT, UM, THEY CAN KIND OF KEEP THINGS THAT EVOLVE THROUGH A PROCESS.

THEY CAN KEEP THAT VERY CLOSE TO THEIR CHEST.

THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DIVULGE THAT TO YOU BECAUSE THAT ARCHITECT IS NOT WORKING ON THE CLIENT'S BEHALF.

THEY HAVE BEEN HIRED BY THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR SERVING AS PRIME AND THEREFORE THAT ARCTIC ENGINEERING TEAM, THEY WORK FOR THAT GENERAL CONTRACTOR.

UM, SOMETIMES THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, A GOOD AVENUE TO PROCEED FOR IT.

SOMETIMES IT CAN BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, UM, THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK SCENARIO.

AND IN THIS DAY IN TIME, THAT'S A PRETTY FAVORITE MODEL, UM, THAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO PUSH ON SOME, SOME GOOD PROJECTS.

WHAT IT DOES IS YOU HIRE INDEPENDENTLY, YOUR ARCTIC ENGINEERING FIRM, UM, AND IT'S A SEPARATE CONTRACT THAT A FIRM WITH DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEN YOU, UH, ENCOURAGE THAT ARCHITECT, UM, AS KIND OF THE LEADER, ORCHESTRATOR OF EVERYTHING WORKING ON THE CITY'S BEHALF, YOU ASK THEM TO BRING IN SEVERAL GENERAL CONTRACTORS, THE CITY CAN OFFER SUGGESTIONS AS WELL, TOO.

WHO KNOWS IF THESE MAY BE.

AND THEN WE, QUITE FRANKLY, WE INTERVIEW THOSE GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT WANT TO SERVE THE CITY AS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

IT'S A TWO-PART SYSTEM.

PART ONE IS REALLY JUST FOR THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

ONLY YOU HAVE THEM SITTING AT THE DESIGN TABLE WITH OWNER ARCTIC ENGINEERS AND THE WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO DESIGN THIS BUILDING AT THE STATED BUDGET VERY EARLY ON.

THE NICE THING IS, IS THAT IMMEDIATELY AT EVERY DESIGN PHASE SCHEMATIC DESIGN DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, AND PROBABLY EVEN BACK UP A HALF STEP AT 50% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A REAL TIME CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATE.

SO THERE'S NO GUESSWORK ABOUT WHERE THE BUDGET'S GOING TO BE AT SCHEMATIC DESIGN, BASICALLY OFF OF A TWO DIMENSIONAL FLOOR PLAN SIPLY AND AN OVERALL SCOPE OF BUILDING THAT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATED ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE CONSTRUCTION COST.

SO WE KNOW RIGHT THEN AND THERE, IF WE THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED DOLLAR BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY LEAVING OUT SOME ZEROES OR WHATEVER THAT IF WE GIVE THEM A SITE PLAN AND A SCHEMATIC A FLOOR SITE, BUT HE'S GOING TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE AT $120 A YEAR.

WELL, WE GET THAT FEEDBACK RIGHT NOW.

NO, NO, NO, NO.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

WE NEED TO BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR BY SOME MAGICAL, YOU KNOW, RAINBOW, THERE'S AN EXTRA $25.

NO, WE'RE GOOD.

WITH THE 125 PROCEED.

THEY 18 TAKES THAT INFORMATION.

WE CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THE ROAD TO THE NEXT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

WE, UH, SUPPLEMENT OUR DRAWING SOME MORE.

WE GET MORE OF THE ENGINEERING SERVICES TEAM ON BOARD.

WE GIVE YOU A DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE.

WE GIVE THAT TO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

HE THEN STARTS TO BRINGING IN SOME OF HIS MAJOR SUBCONTRACTORS, EARTHWORK FOUNDATION, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, MEP SYSTEMS. THEY'RE GETTING REAL-TIME ESTIMATES FROM THOSE LIKELY SUBCONTRACTORS.

SO TAKING A LOT OF THE GUESSWORK OUT OF WHERE OUR BUDGET'S GOING TO BE AT, WE DO THIS TWO MORE TIMES AGAIN AT 50% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

AND THEN AGAIN AT A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND HIS PRIMARY SUBCONTRACTORS OF ALL THE DISCIPLINES HAVE BEEN SITTING AT THE DESIGN TABLE WITH US.

SO YOU REALLY, REALLY EXTINGUISH A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE, THESE SUBCONTRACTORS, THESE VENDORS HAVE HAD MORE THAN JUST THREE WEEKS TO BID ON THIS REPORT.

THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THESE DOCUMENTS AS THEY'VE EVOLVED.

THEY'VE BEEN HELPING US WITH CONSTRUCTABILITY ISSUES WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, WITH PRODUCT AVAILABILITY ISSUES.

AND THEY'RE UPDATING THESE CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT WE'RE HANDING THAT TO THE CITY AT EACH DESIGN

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PHASE.

AND THEY'RE SAYING, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEKING THAT PERMISSION.

HEY, WE'RE AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS.

WE'RE AT 1 0 2, HEY, WE'RE BACK DOWN TO 90.

DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AT 98? OR DO YOU WANT US TO FIND SOME OTHER WAYS TO SPEND THAT IT'S THAT REAL TIME YOU'RE GETTING THREE, FOUR ITERATIONS OF EXPOSURE TO WHAT THAT CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IS.

AND HEY, HERE'S ANOTHER THING THIS FLOORING IS OKAY, BUT HERE'S A BETTER TYPE FOIL.

OR WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES WITH THIS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT HERE IN TIME.

SO ON AND SO FORTH.

THE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THAT IS, IS AT THE END OF THOSE PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, THAT CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO HAND YOU A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

AND HE'S GOING TO SAY, WE'VE BEEN AT YOUR PARTNERSHIP THE WHOLE TIME THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE.

WE WILL BUILD THIS FACILITY TOMORROW FOR THIS PRICE.

AND IT SHOULD NOT BE A SHOCK TO ANYBODY IN THE ROOM BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN IT FOR THE ENTIRE DESIGN CONTINUUM.

YOU HAVE THE OPTION.

YOU'RE NOT TIED INTO THEM AT ALL THAT THEY HAVE NOT PERFORMED WELL.

IF THEIR DOCUMENTATION IS POOR, IF THEIR RESPONSIVENESS IS GREAT, THAT THEY SMELL BAD, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO SIGN THE SECOND PART OF THAT CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH THEM.

ALL RIGHT? THE OTHER GREAT THING IS THEY HAVE TO SHOW YOU AT THE TIME OF THAT GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PROPOSAL, THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO SHOW YOU EACH AND EVERY BID THAT THEY HAVE SOLICITED AND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CONSIDER USING.

AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YOU CAN LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS AND SAY, HAVE YOU HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THEM? THEY'RE LOW, BUT WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THEM? THAT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER SAYS, HEY, WE THREW IT OUT THERE.

AND WE HAD EIGHT DIFFERENT ELECTRICIANS BID.

WE'VE NEVER USED THIS PERSON BEFORE, BUT THEY'RE $8,000 CHEAPER THAN A KNOWN ENTITY.

DO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT BID OR NOT? YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOLICIT TWO TO REVIEW THOSE BIDS AND HELP THEM HANDPICK, WHICH CONTRACTORS YOU WANT TO USE.

WE CERTAINLY WANT TO GO OUT AND USE AS MANY LOCAL SUBCONTRACTORS WE CAN DO, AND WE WANT TO FLOOD THEM WITH THAT INFORMATION.

UM, SO AGAIN, THE TRANSPARENCY THERE, YOU GET THE COMPETITIVE EDGE BECAUSE ALL THE, ALL THE COMPETITIVE EDGE IS IN THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS.

PART OF THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE DURING YOUR INTERVIEW PROCESS, THEY'RE GOING, YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THEM ORTHOPEDIC CONDITIONS ARE GOING TO BE WHAT THEIR OVERHEAD IS GOING TO BE, WHAT THEIR PROPERTY IS.

YOU CAN ALSO AGREE ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO GO IN AND PUT IN A CONTINGENCY FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND WE WANT A FULL TRANSPARENCY OF THAT CONTINGENCY AS WELL.

SO YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY THAT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, A FEE FOR THEIR EFFORTS DURING THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, BUT FOR A FACILITY LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE FOR THE AOC.

TO ME, IT'S A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT REALLY, REALLY CURVES ANY KIND OF SHOCK VALUE.

WHEN WE OPEN UP THE BIDS AND YOU GET THAT CONSTRUCTABILITY ISSUES AND YOU GET THE FULL TRANSPARENCY AS WELL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT MAY COST YOU AN ADDITIONAL 10 TO $15,000, UM, TO BRING ON THAT CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, THE CITY WOULD CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH HIM.

AS FAR AS OUR SERVICES GO, WE ARE YOUR WATCHDOG.

WE ARE YOUR ADMINISTRATOR.

WE FOLLOWING YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH, FROM ASSISTING IN THE INTERVIEWS OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS AT RISK TO SEEKING OUR ADVICE ON WHICH CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK BEST SUITS YOU, THE PROS AND CONS.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE DESIGNING OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, UH, FACILITY FOR YOU AS WELL.

UM, ADMIN REALLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE DO.

WE'RE FULLY THREE-DIMENSIONAL, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS THING IN THREE DIMENSIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL THE FINISHES SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, BUT THEN THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL BE THERE ON GROUNDBREAKING DAY.

WE WILL BE THERE ON CONSTRUCTION PORES.

I THINK I'VE LEARNED THAT I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY ARCHITECTS THAT TRULY ENJOYS GETTING UP AT THREE 30 IN THE MORNING, FOUR 40 M CONCRETE BOARD.

UM, IF Y'ALL EVER SEE ANOTHER ARCHITECT ON A CONCRETE POUR, LET ME KNOW.

CAUSE I'M, I'M FINDING OUT THAT I'M A RARE BREED.

UM, BUT I THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I ENJOY.

I LIKE BEING OUT THERE.

I PROBABLY TURNED AWAY A FEW MORE CONCRETE TRUCKS THAN, THAN I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, BUT THAT'S ME BEING THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON FOR MY CLIENTS.

AND, UH, WE JUST DON'T LET BAD CONCRETE GET POURED, BUT WE WILL BE THERE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PUNCH LIST.

WE WILL HELP THEM OUT.

BUT THE ONM MANUALS TOGETHER, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE MANUALS, UH, GIVE YOU ALL THE WARRANTIES FROM THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE TRAINED ON ALL THE MEP EQUIPMENT, DO THE PUNCH LIST AND A SMILE TOGETHER WHEN WE TAKE THE PICTURE AT THE, AT THE RIBBON CUTTING.

SO I TALKED TO A WHOLE LOT AND DIDN'T EVEN TAKE A BREATH IN THERE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR ANYONE ELSE.

WHAT WAS THE LAST C WORK YOU'VE DONE LAST CITY WORK WE HAVE THANKFULLY HAD BEEN BLESSED TO WORK WITH.

I THINK EVERY MUNICIPAL ENTITY IN THE SOUTHERN MISSOURI COUNTY, WE WERE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF FREEPORT RIGHT NOW ON THEIR CITY HALL RENOVATIONS.

WE'VE WORKED ACTUALLY, WE DID SOCIETY OF ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER EXPANSION.

AND I THINK IN OUR THIRD YEAR, YOUR CARDIOVASCULAR WEIGHT ROOM, WE DID THAT PROJECT, I THINK IN YEAR THREE FOR US OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS IT.

IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO ANYWAYS.

UM, I THINK IT WAS PRE WELL YOU, YEAH.

SO, UM, CHRIS SADLER, I THINK

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IS THE NAME REBEL OR CHRIS ALLEN AND KELLY COBURN AND FORGOT WHO THE OTHER LADY WAS ANYWAYS.

I KNOW, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.

DISTRICTS WERE NOT REALLY ISD AGU.

I NEED TO CHASE DOWN MR. EDWARDS.

AND HE SOUNDS LIKE IT WEREN'T NO NOT ISD RQ.

WE CAN DO SOME SMALL COMPONENTS.

LIKE I MIGHT BE ABLE TO BEND HIS EAR ABOUT SOME RETROFITS TO THE LANDMARK.

I MEAN THE, UH, UH, BENCHMARK FACILITY, BUT TH THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF AGENCY TYPE STUFF.

WHEN YOU GET INTO THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, THERE'S SOME REALLY SPECIALIZED FIRMS OUT THERE.

SO WE'VE ALSO DONE CITY OF CLUE OR, UH, WE DID THEIR PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES, UH, IN DOWNTOWN CLUED WHILE BACK.

UM, I'M PROBABLY THE WORST PR PRINCIPAL OF AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM.

I DON'T REALLY CARE THAT ROLODEX OF PROJECTS OR MY HOUSE.

SO LIKE THIS ONE AS A PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, WE DID A CECIL.

REMEMBER WE DID IT WASN'T IT WAS A POOR ENTITY PORT REPORTS, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.

IT WAS THREE STORIES, UH, KIND OF A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT, NOT A REAL BIG WIDE EXPANSIVE.

UH, WE JUST FINISHED 154,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, OVER IN BAYPORT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL CORPORATION CALLED IN BAYPORT.

AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, A BIG WAREHOUSE, BUT IT'S GOT A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LAB, A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT, A MAINTENANCE SHOP IN IT ROBBY, ANOTHER 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICES.

UM, WE'VE DONE ANOTHER LITTLE PROJECT OVER HERE IN ANGLETON BRAZORIA COUNTY PAIN CENTER.

WE DID THAT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO FOR DR.

RANDALL.

UM, IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD PROJECT FOR US, SIMILARITIES TO THE TERMINAL BUILDING AT THE AIRPORT.

SEE, SO WE, UH, WE DID THE BRASS PORT, UH, GULF COAST, REGIONAL AIRPORT TERMINAL BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE HANGER THERE.

SO A LOT OF COMMERCIAL WORK, UH, WE DONE A LOT OF CHURCHES.

WE DID FIRST MAP ANGLETON OVER HERE RECENTLY THAT WAS RECENTLY COMPLETED AND THEY'RE ASKING US TO COME BACK AND BUILD UP THEIR DESIGN, THEIR SHELL FOR THEM, THAT WE CREATED FOR THEM A WHILE BACK.

SO, UM, I SHOULD HAVE RUN OUR PROJECT LIST.

I CAN, WE, WE TYPICALLY DO ABOUT 20, 25 PROJECTS A YEAR.

AGAIN, OUR BREAD AND BUTTER IS RIGHT HERE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY AND NOTHING GETS OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, BUT ABOUT 1462 SOUTHWARD, WE'RE KNOCKING OUT ABOUT 20 TO 25 PROJECTS EVERY YEAR, PREDOMINANTLY IN SOUTHERN MISSOURI COUNTY.

UM, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT BETTER TO GIVE YOU A, A WIDER RANGE OF OUR, OUR PROJECT LIST AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

DOUBLE SIDING THE DRYWALL AND, UM, CHANGE ORDER CAME ACROSS IN OUR OAC MEANS WE COME DOWN TO ALL THE BI-WEEKLY OAC MEETINGS AND WE MEET WITH THE OWNER ARCHITECT CONTRACTOR AND THE MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS FLOATED OFF A $3,500 CHANGE ORDER REQUEST, UM, TO ADD THREE NEW FIRE DAMPERS OR 65 DIAPERS OR WHATEVER IT WAS BACK HER AT THE TABLE SAID, LET ME SEE THAT, WHERE TO COME CAUSE THE JUNIOR PM COMMITTED AND SOLICITED IT AND PUT IT OFF CROSS TABLE AND SAID, WELL, THIS IS FROM THE MECHANICAL CONTRACTOR THAT WAS AT THE TABLE WHILE WE WERE DESIGNING THIS PROJECT, IS THAT RIGHT? AND THE JUNIOR PM SAYS, YEAH, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MISSED THE, UH, THE, THE SIX FIRE DAMPERS AND THE SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER SAID THAT'S A NO COST.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS AND ACTION AND JUST, UH, UH, I'M A MEMBER OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.

THEY, WE DID THE, UH, CONTRACTOR AT RISK WAS THE, WHAT'S THE PHRASE.

YES, SIR.

CONTRACTOR AT RISK.

AND, UM, WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.

IT CAN BE KIND OF GRUELING, BUT YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT.

YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA DIG DOWN DEEP IN THE WEEDS TO GET, GET GOOD COSTS.

AND THEN AT SOME POINT YOU, YOU SAY, YES, UH, THE CONTRACTOR SAYS, BARRING SOME ACT OF GOD, I CAN GET THIS.

I CAN GET THIS DONE FOR YOU AT THIS PRICE IN ANY SAVINGS ALONG THE WAY, HE'S STILL BADLY.

AND HE'S TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO CUT PRICES AND GET SHAVED MONEY AND STUFF, BUT, UH, YOU GO INTO IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, GET, UH, WITH THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.

I LIKE TO USE THE PHRASE LET'S SWEAT TOGETHER NOW RATHER THAN BLEED TOGETHER LATER.

AND AT THAT DESIGN BID BUILD PROJECT, WELL, THAT'S EASY TO, JUST TO FROLIC ALONG WITH, UH, THE OWNER AND ARCHITECT AND THINK, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO ADD THIS.

AND YET LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT 40TH SQUARE YARD CARPET DOWN.

WE THINK IT'S IN THE BUDGET AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND DO THIS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS EXTERIOR CLADDING ON THERE.

AND MAN, WE CAN LOOK UP REAL QUICK AND IT'S, IT HADN'T BEEN THAT MUCH OF A SWEAT PROCESS DESIGN.

IT'S BEEN ALL FUN AND ROSY AND DANDY.

AND THEN WE, LIKE I SAID, WE OPENED UP THOSE BIDS AND THAT'S WHEN THE BLEEDING STARTS BECAUSE WE'VE NOT SWEATED TOGETHER EARLIER ON LIKE CECIL IS TALKING ABOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS WITH THAT CONTRACTOR, WITH THAT MECHANICAL, HEY, SHOULD WE GO A BOILER SYSTEM HERE? SHOULD WE GO CHILLER SYSTEM ISSUE? WE GO SPLIT SYSTEMS. WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE ROI ON THAT? WHAT'S THE AVAILABILITY, WHAT'S THE COST SAVINGS.

UM, THE ARCTIC CAN COME AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO QUARTZ COUNTERTOPS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

CAUSE IT'S GOING TO LOOK GREAT.

IT'S GOING TO BE DURABLE.

BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE COST OF QUARTZ COUNTERTOPS, GRANTED A HECK OF A LOT CHEAPER AND PRETTY DURABLE AS WELL.

UM, SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF FEEDBACKS THAT WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT CONTRACTOR BEING AT THE TABLE, IT REALLY TAKES THE GUESSWORK OUT.

UM, AND WHEN DONE PROPERLY, WE DID AN ADMIN AND BUILDING FOR SSI GROUP DOWN IN FREEPORT WAS COMPLETE ADMINISTRATION OFFICES.

UH, WE HAD A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IN THAT PROCESS.

UM, WE HAD, UH, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION.

WE WERE ALMOST

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THEY WERE AT THE TABLE.

I'M GETTING THE HOOK.

SO THANK YOU.

I'M GETTING TOO LONG.

SO HOW ARE YOU? UM, I DON'T WANT TO STOP THEM, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS AND YOU'RE THE MAIN CONTACT.

I WILL BE THE MAIN CONTACT.

YEP.

I'LL GIVE YOU A CELL PHONE NUMBER IF YOU NEED IT.

I WILL SAY THIS, UM, I'M IN INDUSTRIAL CONSTRUCTION AND WHENEVER AN OWNER TRIES TO GO DO THE DESIGN PROCESS AND THEN ON THE BACK END TRIES TO INCORPORATE FEEDBACK FROM, UM, SUBCONTRACTORS.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK OF A LOT OF STUFF SIMPLY ORDER OF OPERATION SOMETIMES.

AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE BAD COSTS COMES FROM.

SO I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR PROCESS COUNCIL I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER, TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH INTEGRATED ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN TO DO THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

ALL WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT I'LL SECOND THAT I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

HOLD ON.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL FROM IED ARCHITECTS AND EX FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE BUILDING, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WHERE'S YOUR MONEY COMING FROM? GOOD QUESTION.

SO, UH, THERE'S MONEY THAT WE ALLOCATED FOR THAT THROUGH ARP, OUR PRO FUNDS, UM, AND THEN ALSO THE BOND.

SO THE ARPA FUNDS COULD GET THINGS STARTED.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE WE WERE TO HIRE BRENT, YOU KNOW, W YOU KNOW, DEMO, DO WE MOVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE QUESTIONS NEED TO START HAPPENING AND THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO TO PREP FOR THIS.

AND SO WE'VE GOT FUNDING FOR THAT PLUS THE BOND FUNDING, WHICH ROY WOULD WE'D GET IN JUNE.

UM, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.

I KIND OF ASSUMED THAT'S WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM THE BOND, BUT YEAH, I ASSUMED IT WAS COMING FROM THE AR UH, ERP STUFF.

SO CAN WE CORRECT THAT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PROPOSAL? ALL WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY IS THE PROPOSAL.

WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT YET.

DO YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? OKAY.

I'M IN TO MY MOTION TO MATCH THE CITY ATTORNEY, SORRY, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN MOTION AND A SECOND, A MINUTE MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

10 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PARK NAMING FOR THE LAND ACQUISITION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ANGLETON, A MINOR, I JUST WANT TO START.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH, THANK YOU.

GREAT ITEM.

REMEMBER

[10. Discussion and possible action on park naming for the land acquisition on the south side of Angleton.]

THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE OWED YOU THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, AND WE PUT THINGS IN PLACE AND WANT TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.

AND SO THIS IS THE MEGA MAINER SHOW FOR THE NEXT THREE ITEMS. GREAT.

BY MAJORITY OF CITY COUNCIL VOTE.

GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.

SO JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, ON JANUARY 25TH, CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE, UH, PARK NAMING AND FACILITY NAMING AND MEMORIAL POLICIES.

WE DID HAVE, LET ME MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT ITEM.

MY APOLOGIES.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

UM, WE CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY OF SOUTH SIDE PARK ON FEBRUARY 8TH, UH, THE ADOPTED FACILITY AND PARK NAMING POLICIES SPECIFY THAT PRIOR TO PERMANENT NAMING OF A MAJOR FACILITY, THE LOCATION WILL BE REFERRED TO AS ITS ADDRESS OR LOCATION DESIGNATION UNTIL SUCH TIME WHERE IT IS FORMALLY NAMED.

CURRENTLY THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

SO IT IS 3 0 1 CEMETERY ROAD.

UM, ALL NAMES FOR MAJOR FACILITIES AS OUTLINED IN THE POLICY WILL BE APPROVED

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REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE OF THE NAMES RECOMMENDATION, YOU DO HAVE ENCLOSED IN YOUR PACKET, A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS RECEIVED BY STAFF ON FEBRUARY 25TH BY TRAVIS TOWNS IN TWO WITH A PROPOSAL TO NAME THE NEWLY ACQUIRED LAND AS ABIGAIL ARABIA'S PARK.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT FULL RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOU TO REVIEW A STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE PROPOSED NAMING RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO NAME THE SOUTHSIDE PARK PROPERTY, ABIGAIL REYES PARK.

SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE IT, YOU HIT THE FLOOR FIRST.

UM, SO I DON'T WANT TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS HERE, BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT EVERYBODY HERE IN THIS ROOM IS FAMILIAR WITH ABIGAIL, HAVE A GRAY AREAS IN HER FAMILY, AND THEY'RE HERE WITH US TODAY.

UM, SO WE THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP.

FIRST OF ALL, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THE CRITERIA OF WHAT WE WOULD NAME OUR CITY PARKS AFTER, UM, WE LOOK AT, UH, UH, I GUESS A CRITERIA I GUESS IS A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT ALL THOSE THINGS I, I REFLECTED UPON AND I FELT LIKE ABIGAIL SERVED, UH, BEST SERVE OR MET THOSE CRITERIA.

AND, UM, I DID DRAFT A LETTER AND SO I COULD PROBABLY GO ON AND ON AND JUST READ THE WHOLE THING INTO THE RECORD.

BUT, UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, UH, I'M JUST GONNA READ THIS LITTLE PART.

UH, ABIGAIL WAS ENERGETIC AND SHE LOVED BEING AROUND PEOPLE, WHICH IS PERFECT FOR A PARK, RIGHT? UM, SHE WAS EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOOD IN THE WORLD.

I'M TALKING, SHE MIGHT'VE COURAGE, BRAVERY, TOUGHNESS, DIGNITY, JOY, FRIENDSHIP, AND LOVE.

AND IN TODAY'S WORLD, I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT HER LIFE ACCOMPLISHED IN MANY WONDERFUL THINGS, INCLUDING LOVING THY NEIGHBOR AND BECAUSE OF THIS LOVE OF HER NEIGHBORS IN ANGLETON AND HOW IT BROUGHT THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

UM, AND WATCHING HER PARENTS FIGHT SO VALIANTLY FOR HER CHILD AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO RALLY TOGETHER AROUND THAT LOVE FOR THIS CHILD.

I THINK THAT SHE SERVED AS A GREAT, UM, REMINDER OF THESE THINGS.

AND SO, UM, I'M ASKING THAT Y'ALL WOULD FOREVER HONOR HER WITH, UH, WITH THE NAMING OF THE PARK AFTER.

WHICH AS MR. THOMPSON MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, BOTH WELL OR A PERSONALITY FOR A PART TO BE NAMED AFTER.

I, I AGREE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD GO INTO WEST SIDE ELEMENTARY.

SHE WAS ALWAYS HERE IN ANGLETON, UM, A GREAT CITIZEN OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WAS REALLY A GREAT FACE FOR THE, AND FOR HER BRAVERY AND EVERYTHING SHE WAS DOING FIGHTING TO THE VERY END.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT MANY TIMES OF DOING THIS.

SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU WRITING THE LETTER AND, AND DOING AND PUTTING IT IN RECORD.

UM, I'VE I HAVEN'T NO, NO WORDS OTHER THAN TO SAY, I THINK I AGREE.

I'LL PULL IT, SUPPORT THIS.

I POLICE REPORT THE AREA'S FAMILY.

I KNOW THE WHOLE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN, AND GOLLY, THE COMMUNITY WAS SUPPORTED BY HER.

I MEAN, GOOD NIGHT.

WHAT AN, WHAT AN HONOR TO OUR CITY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NAME A PARK AFTER SUCH A GREAT PERSON.

I, UH, ALSO RECENTLY LOST A FAMILY MEMBER TO CANCER, SO LIKE A COMPLETELY, UM, UNDERSTAND, UH, THE LOSS, BUT, UM, UH, AND I CAN'T AGREE MORE.

SHE WAS, UM, SHE WAS A GREAT PERSON TO LOOK UP TO, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS SO TINY.

UH, I REMEMBER WATCHING HER, UH, AT MY NIECE'S SOFTBALL GAME, WATCHING HER PLAY AS WELL, UH, FULL OF LIFE, UM,

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I REITERATE EVERYTHING THAT'S THAT'S BEEN SAID, AND I SAY, LET'S, LET'S DO IT, TRAVIS.

YOU, YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN A RECORD? YEAH.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, FORMALLY MEMORIALIZE, UH, THE NEW SOUTH SIDE PARK, UH, ABIGAIL AREAS PARK.

I'LL SECOND IT MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SVOBODA FOR THE APPROVAL OF NAMING THE SOUTH SIDE PARK, ABIGAIL AREAS PARK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION YOU ALL ARE HERE TONIGHT.

I WOULD, I WOULD MORE THAN BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY, YOUR AD, YOU CAME ALL THE WAY TO HERE TONIGHT, GETTING ME CASH COSTUMING.

UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HONORED THAT, UH, NOT ONLY THAT Y'ALL BROUGHT IT TO LIGHT, BUT ACTUALLY MADE IT A REALITY.

UH, YOU KNOW, ABIGAIL LOVED HER CITY.

SHE LOVED HER SCHOOL.

SHE LOVED TRIP WEST SIDE SO MUCH.

MY WIFE WORKS THERE.

JESUS TEACH SECOND GRADE TEACHER THERE AS WELL.

SHE LOVED PLAYING BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.

I REMEMBER THOSE WERE THE BEST, THE FOND MEMORIES, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY HER SOFTBALL GOT CUT A LITTLE SHORT, UH, BUT UH, THIS MEANS THE WORLD TO US IN THE FACT COUNSELING TOWNSEND THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT ABIGAIL AND HONOR HER.

AND, UH, I WISH YOU WERE HONORED AS WELL.

AND, UH, I SAID, WE ASKED JIM GARRETT TO BE HERE WITH US TODAY BECAUSE HE'S MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF OUR FAMILY AND A PART OF ABIGAIL AS WELL.

BUT, UH, WE THANK YOU ALL, UH, FOR MAKING THIS A REALITY FOR US.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

I JUST HOPE THAT ONE DAY I LEAVE THE LEGACY SOMEWHAT OF THE LEGACY THAT SHE LIVED IN HER SEVEN YEARS.

CAUSE I'M 47.

AIN'T EVEN TOUCHED IT YET, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MAKING THIS A REALITY AND WE ARE VERY HONORED AND WE'D LOVE OUR CITY AS WELL.

THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

PARTING WORDS YOU WANT TO SAY, RIGHT? I CAN'T TALK TO ANY OF THAT.

I'M NOT SURE I CAN DO THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

I CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

11 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON SUB FACILITY, NAMING OF FREEDOM PARK FIELDS, 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR, THIS MANNER.

THANK YOU GUYS.

I HAVE NUMBER

[11. Discussion and possible action on sub facility naming of Freedom Park fields one, two, three, and four.]

SO WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FIELD NAMING AT FREEDOM PARK, FOUR FIELDS, ONE THROUGH FOUR BY JUDGE MATT SEBESTA.

HE DID SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING REQUESTS AND WRITING TO THE MAYOR CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF FIELD ONE RUBEN WELCH FIELDS.

AND THERE, UM, SOME OF HIS RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDED.

HE'S A NAMESAKE OF WELSH PARK, WHICH IS NO LONGER USED FOR BASEBALL.

HE WAS A TREMENDOUS VOLUNTEER IN THE LATE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES TO THE ANGLETON BASEBALL ASSOCIATION.

HIS VOLUNTEERISM WAS ENOUGH AT THE TIME THAT THE PARK WAS NAMED AFTER HIM.

HE PASSES AWAY FROM, BUT HE DID PASS AWAY FROM A SUDDEN HEART ATTACK FIELD TO LEONARDO, UH, LEONARD, EXCUSE ME, EDWARD FIELDS.

LEONARD WAS A LONG TIME VOLUNTEER TO THE YOUTH, UH, BASEBALL UNTIL HE PASSED AWAY 20 TO 30 YEARS AGO.

UH, HE WAS A DAD COACH UMPIRE.

HE DID IT ALL AS WELL AS LION'S CLUB MEMBER WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE FIELDS LOCATED WHERE THE NEW BEST BARN IS BEING CONSTRUCTED WERE NAMED AFTER HIM BUILD THREE, UH, SERGEANT MILLER D CAMPBELLFIELD D WAS AN OUTSIDE OUTSTANDING BASEBALL PLAYER GROWING UP IN ANGLETON, THE 1980S, HE WAS ALSO NICKNAME SOUP.

HE WAS DRAFTED OUT OF THE ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL TO PLAY PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL INSTEAD D JOINED THE AIR FORCE AND WAS STATIONED IN SAUDI ARABIA.

WHEN ON JUNE 25TH, 1996,

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TERRORIST EXPLODED A TRUCK BOMB, UM, KILLING DEE AND 18 OTHER MEMBERS OF THE U S MILITARY.

THE LAST FIELD THOMAS WARREN, TOM.

AND I HATE TO SAY THE LAST NAME.

JUNIOR FIELD.

OH, OKAY.

MICKEY ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE IN 1982.

UH, MR. A H S ALSO KNOWN AS ONE OF THE FINEST HUMAN BEINGS YOU WOULD EVER MEET.

UH, HE WAS A THREE SPORT ALL TIME, ALL STAR IN HIGH SCHOOL, EARNING MANY ACCOLADES IN FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL.

HE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT BAYLOR WHEN HE WENT TO THE CANADIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE AND THEN NFL FOR A SHORT STINT.

HE LATER BECAME AN EYE DOCTOR AND TRAGICALLY PASSED AWAY ON APRIL 23RD, 2016 FROM A HEART ATTACK.

SO THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT JUDGE HAS MADE.

HE DID FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL OF THE POLICY.

UM, AND WE WANT TO PRESENT THESE TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT, UM, FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

SO I DO HAVE SOME COMMENT AND I APPRECIATE JUST THE BEST OF SUBMITTING THESE.

THESE ARE ALL GREAT INDIVIDUALS FROM, FROM ANGLETON HISTORY.

UH, AND I DO LIKE THE WAY THAT WE WOULD REINCORPORATE WELSH AND EDWARDS BACK INTO THE BASEBALL FACILITY BECAUSE THOSE FIELDS WERE INSTRUMENTAL TO THE GROWTH OF ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE AND THE AREAS AND THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS REALLY DESERVE THE CREDIT.

UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION OF HOW WE, WE NAME THE FULL NAME ON THE, ON THE PLACE.

DOES IT NOT CONFUSE SOMEBODY TO, HEY, WE'RE PLAYING AT WELCH FIELD, YOU KNOW, LATE, THERE'S NO FIELDS AT WELDS PARK FIELDS.

I COULD SEE THAT GOING ON.

SO YOU KNOW HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT DOING THAT AND, UM, JUST, JUST MY INSIGHT OF, OF WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE PLAY OUT THERE.

UM, BUT I DO SUPPORT ALL FOUR AND I THINK THESE ARE GREAT NAMES.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WELSH AND EDWARDS TO BE BACK INVOLVED WITH THE, THE NAMING OF THE FACILITY TO HAVE.

WELL, I JUST, I WAS GONNA SAY WE COULD COME BACK WITH SOME NAMING SOLUTIONS AND CALL IT WELSH FIELD BY, YOU KNOW, JUNIOR FIELD FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAS TO KIND OF SUB SUB NAME AND A LITTLE BIT, SO IT'S NOT WELSH FIELD AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IT'S PARK, RIGHT? YEAH.

I WAS WONDERING IF WE WOULD PUT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, HOW IT WOULD BE PRESENTED, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.

I LIKED THE NAMING.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED FOR WEEK, YEAR, COME BACK.

AND DO WE HAVE LIKE AN IDEA, LIKE A PLAQUE ON THE FIELD? YEAH.

SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIELD SIGNAGE, UM, THAT WE COULD REALISTICALLY JUST REPLACE, UH, AND WITH THE FIELD NAME, UH, UH, ONE, UH, TWO, RIGHT.

WELL, UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE FIELD REGARDING, UH, USE IN TERMS. SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE OUR BRANDED CITY LOGO ALONG WITH THE FIELD NAME.

UM, AND I THINK TOO, THE, THE, WHAT WOULD PROVIDE CLARITY IS JUST HAVING FIELD RATHER THAN JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO REUBEN WELCH.

UM, IT'S UH, TO ME, THE FIELD NAMING WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, BUT IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE WE CAN CERTAINLY COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS FOR THE NUMBER TWO, IT WOULD HELP.

I THINK LEAVING THE NUMBERS ON WOULD BE NICE TO JUST YOU HAVE THEIR NAME AND THEN THE T THE TWO, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE US PUT A PLAQUE UP FOR EACH ONE OF THEM.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT CAN BE SOMETHING WHERE ROTARY DOES OR LIONS CLUB OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY YOU HAVE VOICE SOMEBODY CAN GET IN.

I LIKE WHAT JUDGE SEBESTA PUT IN HERE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE GUYS.

UM, AND I, I REMEMBER MR. MICKEY AS WELL, HIS WIFE, GREAT ENGLISH TEACHER, ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, SO I COULD SEE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HONORING THEM AT EACH FIELD AS WELL.

HOW ABOUT WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME, YOU APPROVE IT, LIKE, HEY, HERE'S THE WAY WE SEE THE SIGNAGE.

I THINK WE CAN APPROVE THEM TONIGHT WITH THE NAMES AND THEN CAN COME BACK TO THEM.

YEAH, WE CAN PRESENT DIFFERENT DESIGNS.

THEY, THEY CAN HAVE A NAME TOO.

DO LIKE A NUMBERING SYSTEM, WHICH YOU CAN INCORPORATE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SCHEDULES AND YOU RECEIVE THEM AS A PARENT, WE'RE ON FIELD LONG WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT ONE WELCH EDWARDS OR CAMPBELL OR MICKEY OR WHATEVER, WHICH ONE JUST BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT ALL THAT DATA INTO A SPREADSHEET FOR, IT'S JUST PROBABLY EASIER TO DO IT NUMERICALLY, BUT

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I'LL ALSO SAY I GOT TO TALK TO MS. EDWARDS ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.

AND SHE WAS VERY HEARTBROKEN.

THAT LITTLE LEAGUE HAD MOVED OUT OF EDWARD'S FIELD AND THAT HER HUSBAND'S NAME WAS NO LONGER GOING TO BE HONORED.

SO SEEING THIS IS REALLY GREAT TO SEE BECAUSE SHE, THAT WAS ONE OF HER THINGS THAT REALLY JUST, SHE REALLY CARED A LOT ABOUT THAT FIELD AND IT WAS NAMED EDWARDS FIELD AND SHE WANTED TO KEEP IT.

SO, YEAH, MR. MICKEY HAS BEEN A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF BASEBALL IN ANGLETON.

HE PROBABLY STILL WOULD BE IF HE WAS HELD WAS BETTER.

BUT I MEAN, THERE WAS VERY FEW TIMES THAT I EVER WENT TO A HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL GAME THAT MR. MICKEY WASN'T THERE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY WELL JUST LEAVE THAT SPICE ALONG.

CAUSE THAT'S WHERE TOM SITS, YOU KNOW, BUT HE, YEAH, HE LOVED, I THINK HE'LL BE VERY PLEASED TO SEE HIS, HIS SON BE HONORED THE OTHER PEOPLE TOO, BUT I JUST DON'T TOM PERSONALLY, COUNSEL, I MOVE, WE ACCEPT A PROPOSED SUB FACILITY NAMING A FREEDOM PARK FEELS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR TO REBOOT RUBEN, EXCUSE ME.

RUBEN WELCH, FIELD LEONARD EDWARDS FIELD SERGEANT MILLER, D D CAMPBELL FIELD AND THOMAS WARREN, TOM MICKEY FIELD MAKEY JUNIOR FIELD ACCORDINGLY.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED.

GREAT.

12 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SELLER PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

THE MAYOR'S GOING TO BE VERY JEALOUS.

HE WASN'T HERE.

IT'S PROBABLY LISTENING.

I DIDN'T NUMBER

[12. Discussion and possible action on the sale of property within the City limits]

THE, UH, THIS WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION ON SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, BECAUSE THE MUNICIPAL POOL WAS ONE OF THOSE SITES THAT WE COULD CONSIDER REDEVELOPING.

SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, STAFF HAS BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH VARIOUS ACTION ITEMS WITHIN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN.

UH, ONE OF THOSE INCLUDED DRESSING, ADDRESSING LOW SCORING PARK COMPONENTS AND INCREASE, UM, RENOVATION, AND, UH, TO BRING UP THE STANDARD OF OUR FACILITIES AMENITIES AT THE MUNICIPAL POOL SITE SPECIFICALLY HAVE BEEN DEMOED AND ACCESS OF ONE OF THE CUT-THROUGH STREETS HAS, UM, BEEN TERMINATED.

UM, BUT AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT HAVE A DESIGNATED USE, UH, FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE.

SO A SURVEY BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021 WAS PUT OUT FOR FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENT.

UH, WE DID RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM 79 RESPONDENTS REGARDING USE OF VARIOUS SITES, INCLUDING THE MUNICIPAL POOL.

AND HERE'S JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT WAS INCLUDED.

A MAJORITY OF RESPONDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SITE USE FOR PARK DEVELOPMENT.

TOP THREE PARK AMENITIES INCLUDED A SPLASH PAD PLAYGROUND FOR FIVE TO 12 AND A PLAYGROUND FOR TWO TO FIVE 74% OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE IN FAVOR OF SEEING THIS SITE BEING USED FOR SPECIAL USE PARK FOR SOMETHING LIKE A SKATE PARK.

MAJORITY OF RESPONDENTS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF SELLING THIS PROPERTY.

AND IF THERE WAS SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY, INDIVIDUALS WOULD MOST LIKELY BIKE OR WALK.

I WILL TELL YOU, WE SHARED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WITH THE PARKS BOARD, AS WELL AS AB LLC AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT MEETINGS.

FIRST BEING JUNE 14TH WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD.

UM, AND THIS WAS PRIOR TO THE SURVEY GOING OUT, AS YOU CAN TELL WITH THE DATES.

UM, INITIALLY WHAT THEY HAD ENVISIONED FOR THE SITE WAS THAT THERE BE AN EPIC SPLASH PAD INSTALLED THERE WITH A PLAYGROUND UNIT.

AND, UH, THEY ALSO WANTED TO SEE SOME SHADE STRUCTURES FOR ADDITIONAL RENTAL INCOME, UH, AT A SPLASH PAD ON AUGUST 9TH WHEN THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW SOME OF THE SURVEY RESULTS.

THE RE UH, RESPONSE FROM THE PARKS AND REC BOARD WAS THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS WITH REDEVELOPING, THE MUNICIPAL POOL SITE DUE TO THE SIZE YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET, A, UH, SURVEY OF THE PIECE OF LAND.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF ACRES IS A FAIRLY SMALL PIECE, UM, WHICH IS SEGMENTED BY THE ROAD.

UH, SO STAFF WAS TASKED WITH RESEARCHING OTHER OPTIONS AND, UM, ALSO ASSESS WHAT TYPES OF AMENITIES ARE DESIRED ON THE SITE.

SOUTH SIDE OF ANGLETON, OCTOBER 11TH, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MET AGAIN.

AND THEY DID NOTE THAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO SELL THE CURRENT PIECE OF LAND TO HELP FUND FUTURE PARK LAND PURCHASES.

UM, AND THIS WAS ON

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UM, AND SO THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE CONCEPT OF, WELL, WE COULD POTENTIALLY SELL IT IF IT MEANT THAT WE COULD ACQUIRE ANOTHER PIECE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF PERSPECTIVE ON WHY THEY SET WHAT THEY DID ON OCTOBER 18TH, WE MET WITH A BLC AND A BLC NOTED THAT THEY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF UTILIZING THE LOT FOR NEW ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER.

SO WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY, KEEP IN MIND.

IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL POOL SIDE.

IT WAS ABOUT THE DOG PARK.

IT WAS ABOUT THE VETERANS DOWNTOWN.

IT WAS ABOUT A SOUTH SIDE PARK.

AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED RELATING TO THE ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER IS THAT THEY MIGHT NEED IMPROVEMENTS OR EXPANSION.

UM, IS IT APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO THE DOG PARK? THOSE WERE ALL QUESTIONS THAT WERE BEING ASKED.

AND SO, UH, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD AT THAT APLC MEETING AND THEY NOTED UTILIZING A LOT FOR ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER COULD BE AN OPTION.

AND SO REALLY STAFF IS JUST COMING TO YOU TODAY TO SEEK SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT SITE TO BE USED.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT REDEVELOPED AS A PARK? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE US USE IT FOR OTHER CITY FACILITIES, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE US SELL THE PROPERTY AND USE IT TOWARDS LAND ACQUISITION? MR. MAYOR PRO EXAM? I THINK IT SHOULD.

THE 74% OF THE RESPONDENTS SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT.

I MEAN, I I'M IN SUPPORTIVE SELLING IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ASK PEOPLE TO GO OUT FOR, TO ANSWER THESE SURVEYS AND THEY TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED.

SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN SELL THIS PROPERTY AND GET THE REVENUE TO PAY OFF FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE OTHER PART THAT WE JUST, THE SOUTH SIDE PARK OR ABIGAIL AREAS PART NOW.

BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED.

I LIKED THE IDEA WE HAVE, WE HAVE A NEED FOR A SKATE PARK.

WE HAVE A NEED FOR A SPLASH PAD.

WE JUST PUT FREEDOM PARK ON HOLD WITH THE DESIGN THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE THE NEW SPLASH PAD.

SO, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT OPEN UP OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT LOCATION? THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON IT, BUT WELL, IN OTHER CONVERSATIONS, JUST SO, UM, WE COMPLETE THE FULL PICTURE.

SO WE'LL, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION AND THE SITE CONSTRAINTS WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT WAS THE IMPETUS OF PURCHASING SOUTHSIDE PROPERTY OR THE NEW ABIGAIL'S NEW PARKS WHEN WE GET IT DOWN.

AND SO THOSE TOP THREE AMENITIES THAT WERE SUGGESTED FOR SOUTH SIDE PARK THAT WEREN'T AREN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET ARE S SPLASH PAD AND TWO PLAYGROUND UNITS TRAILS.

AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THERE WAS A FIFTH THING, UM, THAT WERE THE MAJOR COMPONENTS THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE AND WITHIN THE PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.

SO WHEN WE ARE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THOSE WERE THE PRIMARY AMENITIES THAT WE PLAN TO INCLUDE IN SOUTH SIDE.

SO THIS WOULD, IF YOU WANTED TO DEVELOP THE MUNICIPAL POOL SITE, WE HAVE TO BE VERY AWARE OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, UH, THE SIZE AND, UM, AND USE.

SO I THINK PART OF THE CONCERN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY AS PART OF THE CONCERN WITH PARKS BOARD WAS THAT IT'S, IT MAY BE TOO SMALL TO HAVE MULTIPLE AMENITIES, UH, IN ADDITION TO PARKING AND ALL OF THOSE, I THINK IT'D BE A PERFECT SPOT FOR ESCAPE ART.

I DO TOO, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY BECAUSE LIKE SHE SAYS, IT'S SMALL AND IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU PUT A SPLASH PAD THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE PACKED AND PARKING AND ALL THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I GUESS I'M SAYING A SKATE PARK WE LESS USED, BUT THERE'S A BIG DEMAND FOR, UH, I WORRY ABOUT THE LOCATION FOR A SKATE PARK AND ITS ACCESS TO 2 88 AND IT'S NOT A, UM, PEOPLE HAVE DROPPED THERE FOR SURE.

THAT'S WHAT, WELL, I KNOW, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE BY SIDEWALK.

NEW PARK? WHICH WASN'T AN OPTION AT THE TIME OF THE, OF THE, OF THE SURVEY? I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE OKAY.

I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE OPTIONS FOR KIDS THAT FEEL LIKE NO DIFFERENT THAN RIDING YOUR BICYCLE.

YOU RIDE YOUR SKATEBOARD TO THE, TO THE SKATE PARK NOW MAYBE BECAUSE ITS LOCATION, WHEREVER IT ENDS UP, WHETHER IT'S THERE OR SOME OTHER LOCATION, IT MAY STILL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN DO IT.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PARENTS, AREN'T JUST NOT GONNA ALLOW THEIR KIDS TO GO FOUR MILES ACROSS TOWN TO THE SKATE PARK ON THEIR SKATEBOARD.

IT'S JUST PROBABLY NOT LIKELY, BUT, UM, BUT WHEN I WANT TO REPRESENT WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY, LIKE JOHN'S, AND THE OTHER HAND, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT IF WE REPRESENTED THE SAME QUESTION AND SAID, OKAY, COULD YOU PRESENT IT? WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THIS, IN THIS

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I'M FINE WITH THAT.

IF YOU, AS LONG AS I GET SOMEWHERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN AND WE'LL GET THESE AMENITIES OR MOST OF THESE AMENITIES INTO THAT, INTO THE ABIGAIL AREAS PARK, UM, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A MUCH NICER VENUE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A BETTER CENTRAL LOCATION.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, AND, UH, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT NUMBER WOULD CHANGE DRAMATICALLY IN, IN AGREEMENT WITH US AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

THERE MAY BE STILL, PEOPLE WOULD DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT FOR NOSTALGIA PURPOSES OR WHATEVER ELSE.

UM, BUT IF WE COULD TURN AROUND AND THEN SELL THAT, AND THEN HOPEFULLY LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT REINVEST THAT MONEY INTO THESE PROGRAMS WITHIN THAT PARK, WITHIN THE PARK, THEN WE'LL, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT.

MUSCLE'S A COST FOR US TO DO ANOTHER SURVEY, TO DO ANOTHER SURVEY.

UM, MEANING WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU WANTING YOUR LIMITATIONS TO BE FOR THEM? YOU KNOW, OH, I'M SORRY, I'M THINKING PROPERTY SURVEY.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

WE CAN DO THAT VERY QUICKLY.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND, AND GIVING THEM THE OPTION OF, HEY, DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK? DO YOU WANT TO SEE ESCAPE PART HERE? DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT SOLD OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE THERE? YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE TO GET MORE CITIZEN INPUT ON PREMISE IT WITH THE ACQUISITION, THE PURCHASE, THE SIZE, AND WHAT IS PLANNED TO WHAT THE TOP AMENITIES WERE THAT WERE RECOMMENDED.

YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE MONEY FROM THIS OR THAT OTHER PART FEASIBLE.

YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, IF THIS WAS A 50 50 THING, IT WAS REAL CLOSE, BUT IT WAS 74% SAID THEY WANT TO KEEP IT.

AND THAT TO ME IS PRETTY LANDSLIDE.

LIKE TRAVIS SAID THAT WASN'T WHAT THE PREMISE OF IT WAS ACQUIRING LAND, DOING A NEW ONE, SEE A DIFFERENT RESULT WHEN YOU GO WITH THAT.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU PROBABLY NEXT MEETING.

SO THAT ROAD IS DWYER'S STREET IS VERY INSUFFICIENT.

THE WAY IT CURVES THERE.

I THINK IT DETRACTS FROM THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S CITY PROPERTY, OR WHETHER IT'S WE SELL AND IT'S COMMERCIAL OR SOME OTHER PURPOSE.

UM, AND, AND IT INHIBITS THE EAST-WEST CORRIDOR BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS TO GET EAST AND WEST.

AND SO TO MAKE IT MORE DIRECT, UH, WATCHING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES DOWN THERE.

SO I THINK IN THE SCHEME OF WHATEVER WE DO, WHETHER WE KEEP IT AS A PARK OR WHETHER WE MOVE TO SELL IT, THAT WE, UM, WE'RE, WE CAN SUBMIT A PERMIT, TXDOT TO CHANGE THE DRIVE.

WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE COST, BUT THAT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERATION WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CERTIFICATES OBLIGATION, OR ARE PRE-FUNDING OR SOMETHING ELSE TO STRAIGHTEN THAT ROAD OUT, AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT IN THE MOBILE, I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE ALREADY HAD COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS ALONG THAT STREET WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT STRAIGHTENING THAT STREET.

I AGREE THAT THE STREET, I MEAN, IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO CURB IT THE WAY IT IS, BUT THEY APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE WOULD SAY IT SLOWS PEOPLE DOWN THROUGH THERE.

SO, I MEAN, CHIEF, HAVE YOU HAD ANY ACCIDENTS IN THAT AREA OR ANY TRAFFIC COMPLAINTS OVER THERE LATELY? NO, SIR.

YEAH, JUST AT THE INTERSECTION THERE WITH JD BEING INTERVIEW, IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE CUT THROUGHS.

WHEN THE TRAINS ACROSS THE TRACKS, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET FROM 5 20 0 5 23, OVER TO 2 88.

SO I CAN GET ACROSS THE TRACKS FROM MIDDLE HOME.

UH, THIS LITTLE SITE, THIS LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS GOT QUITE A BIT OF HISTORY.

I WENT BACK AND LOOKED A LITTLE BIT.

THE, UH, THEY BECAME A POSSESSION OF NOT THE CITY, BUT SOME ANOTHER CITY TYPE ENTITY BACK IN 54.

WHEN I PARKED, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW LONG AGO THE POOL WAS BUILT, BUT ARE IN ABOUT THAT SAME TIMEFRAME IS WHEN THE SOUTH AUDITION WAS DEVELOPED.

THAT'S WHERE DWYER STREET IS THE DUAR STREET RIGHT AWAY.

CAN YOU PUT THAT PDF BACK OPPONENT ON SCREEN SURVEY PARK? UM, DO OUR STREET WAS DEDICATED TO THE WEST EDGE OF THAT PROPERTY AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY ACROSS THE CITY'S TRACT OF LAND THERE.

SO, SAME THING I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A, JUST A ROAD THAT RUNS THROUGH

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THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S HOW IT CAME UP.

IT CAME ABOUT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY PUT IT IN THERE.

SO YOU COULD PARK IT'S JUST OVER THE YEARS, IT'S BECOME THE PATHWAY THROUGH THERE.

IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVE.

SO IF YOU WERE TO, AND I, THE WAY IT IS NOW WITH NO PUBLIC RIGHT-AWAY ACROSS THE PROPERTY, I JUST WONDER HOW MARKETABLE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS SOMEWHERE.

SOMEONE'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, I'LL BUY IT, BUT I'M GOING TO STOP DWYER STREET.

CAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TRIP PROPERTY, THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE.

NO.

SO THERE, THERE THERE'S DUAR STREET WAS, WAS PUT IN WITH THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH WAS IN THE FIFTIES.

UH, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A CONTACT, A LAWYER, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT YOU'VE NOW BY CONTINUING MAINTENANCE SITE HAVE NOBODY'S GOING TO BE TO CLOSE.

THAT'S TRUE.

NO, IT'S NOT.

IT'S PROBABLY BEEN, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY, THERE'S PROBABLY ALL SORTS OF RIGHTS THAT RUN WITH THAT'S TRUE.

BUT SOMEONE WHO WOULD BUY THAT WITH BOARD BOUGHT THAT STREET TO BE STRAIGHT THROUGH THERE AND NOT MEANDER ALL THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S, AND I THINK FOR THE CITY'S BENEFIT, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND RUN THAT STREET OUT INSTEAD OF MAKING PEOPLE ZIGZAG THROUGH THE PROPERTY THERE.

UM, SO THAT'S A CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT WE DO THERE.

IT COULD BE MORE IF IT'S DEVELOPED AS A PARK, A SKATE PARK OR SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO GENERAL TRAFFIC DRIVING THROUGH THE PARK.

THE TABLE WOULD JUST GO STRAIGHT ON OUT TO THE, TO THE HIGHWAY OR COMING STRAIGHT IN OFF THE HIGHWAY.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS JUST TO BE CONSIDERED AS W AS WE GO ALONG HERE.

I MEAN, I'M OF THE SAME MINDSET THAT, UM, WE, I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE TAKES SINCERE THEIR, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO, THAT'LL BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION ANYWAY, OF, OF WHAT MAKES THE MOST FINANCIAL SENSE.

THERE MAY BE SOMEONE OUT THERE TO JUST JUMP TO BUY THAT PLACE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT SOME VISION THERE, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOMEONE THAT HAS A VISION.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT I CAN DO THIS.

YOU KNOW, ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX TOWN, YOU GOT ITS OWN LIFT STATION TOO.

YEAH, IT IS.

DOES COUNCIL WANT TO DO THE SURVEY TO THE CITIZENS? I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION.

SO I DON'T THINK WE TAKE ANY ACTION ON THE SIDE OF THEM TONIGHT.

NO.

SO THE COUNCIL IS TO DO A SURVEY AND WE'LL COME BACK AND PRESENT THE SURVEY RESULTS AND SEE WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO WITH IT.