Mar 21, 2022 Angleton Better Living Corporation & Parks and Recreation Board

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OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION MEETING TONIGHT.

I'LL START OFF BY DECLARING A QUORUM FOR THE ABLC GROUP.

THERE ARE FOUR OF US PRESENT.

SHOW US AT THE TABLE AT 5:34 AND I'LL LET MR. PELTIER TALK TO YOU.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM ON THE PARK'S BOARD, SO WE'LL CALL THAT MEETING TO ORDER.

OKAY MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

[1. Discussion and possible action on firm selection for Veterans Park Renovations.]

YES. SO I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS.

BUT STAFF IS MOVING FORWARD WITH VARIOUS ACTION ITEMS WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN, INCLUDING ADDRESSING LOW SCORING PARK COMPONENTS AND INCREASING PROGRAM AND REVENUE, AS WELL AS RENOVATING SOME SUBSTANDARD FACILITIES.

ONE OF THESE PARKS IN NEED OF ATTENTION IS VETERAN'S PARK.

SO I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET.

BUT JUST BRIEFLY WANTED TO NOTE THAT STAFF DEVELOPED A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR VETERANS PARK RENOVATIONS AND ADVERTISED IT IN DECEMBER OF 2021.

THROUGH FEBRUARY 1ST, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, ABLC, AND CITY COUNCIL WERE ASKED TO SERVE AS THE EVALUATING COMMITTEE.

WE DID RECEIVE THOSE RESULTS AND THEY ARE ENCLOSED WITHIN YOUR PACKET.

THE TOP RANKING FIRMS WERE BURDITT AND KIMLEY HORN, SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO COME SPEAK TO YOU GUYS AND GIVE ABOUT A 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION AND ALLOW FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES OF QUESTIONS AFTER.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO BERTA, WHO'S GOING TO KICK US OFF. AND SHANE ARE YOU TAKING, TURN IT OVER TO SHANE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SHANE HOWARD.

I'M SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT FOR BURDITT CONSULTANTS, JOINED THIS EVENING BY CLAUDIA WALKER, WHO IS THE HEAD OF OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE DEPARTMENT AND WOULD BE THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT.

ALSO, DALE CLARK, WHO IS ONE OF OUR SENIOR PROJECT, OR SENIOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND OUR AMBASSADOR ESSENTIALLY IN THE BRYAN OFFICE THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN REBECCA [INAUDIBLE], SHE IS WITH OUR ARCHITECTURE DEPARTMENT.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME VERTICAL ELEMENTS GOING BACK INTO THIS PARK EVENTUALLY IN THE FORM OF A GAZEBO, A PAVILION OR AN AMPHITHEATER STAGE, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES MORE THAN LIKELY.

AND SO SHE'S HERE TO LEND SOME EXPERTISE AND THOUGHT TO THAT.

THE MESSAGE WE WANT TO TRY TO GET ACROSS IN THE 15 MINUTES THAT WE'RE WITH YOU AND THEN THE 10 MINUTE DISCUSSION.

YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO USE A WORD DISCUSSION, CONVERSATION RATHER THAN Q&A, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS ABOUT A CONVERSATION.

AND A DISCUSSION IS KIND OF JUST REMIND YOU OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO.

HOW WE DO IT IS REALLY WHAT MAKES US, WE THINK, SPECIAL AND UNIQUE AND THROUGH SOME OF THAT EXPERIENCE WITH YOU ALL, SPECIFICALLY IN FREEDOM PARK, WE KNOW THIS COMMUNITY VERY, VERY WELL. WE ARE THE LEAD ARCHITECT FOR ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON A COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY FOR THE COUNTY.

I SERVE AS PROGRAM MANAGER ON THAT PROJECT, LEADING THREE DESIGN TEAMS ON THREE NEW BUILDINGS AND THREE RENOVATIONS.

CLAUDIA IS THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THAT ENTIRE PROJECT, AND REBECCA IS WORKING ON THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.

AND I THINK THE POINT WITH ALL OF THAT IS WE, SINCE DOING THE MASTER PLAN FOR THAT PROJECT IN 2018, FOUR YEARS LATER TO THIS STAGE, WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU'VE HAD.

ALSO, JUST THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCE GENERALLY WITH URBAN PLANNING AND DESIGN, WHICH IS AT THE CORE OF WHAT WE DO, WE KNOW THAT PARKS LIKE VETERAN'S PARK ARE THEY'RE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY'RE EASY TO OVERLOOK.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE AS PEOPLE MOVE OUTSIDE OF THE AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MORE SUBURBAN AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY SIZED PARKS.

THE SMALLER PARKS GET A LITTLE BIT OF SHORT SHRIFT.

AND SO IT'S IMPRESSIVE THAT YOU ALL AREN'T WANTING TO DO THAT, THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO INVEST THE TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY AND TO MAKING THAT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE.

AND SO DESPITE IT BEING SMALL, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THAT AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.

WHO WE ARE AS A FIRM AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

WE'RE VERY MUCH AN INTEGRATED TEAM.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW FIRMS IN WHICH YOU'LL FIND ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, NATURAL RESOURCES, PUBLIC POLICY AND PUBLIC FINANCE ALL BLENDED TOGETHER IN WHAT WE DO.

WE UNDERSTAND THE DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT.

THE STAFF HAS TO GO AND EXECUTE ON AND THE TYPE OF FEEDBACK THAT YOU GET FROM THE PUBLIC AND HOW PLACES NEED TO PERFORM FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY GOING TO SERVE NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC BUT STAFF, AND ACTUALLY GETTING THERE AND MAINTAINING IT.

AND THEN ALSO FOR POLITICAL LEADERSHIP AND MAKING GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAKING GOOD DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF TAX TAXPAYERS.

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SO WE LISTEN TO YOUR PUBLIC, WE LISTEN TO STAFF, WE LISTEN TO POLITICAL LEADERSHIP AND THEN FILTER ALL OF THAT IN.

OUR STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THERE TO BE PUBLIC AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT IN THIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS TRY TO ESTABLISH SOME CONSTRAINTS AND LIMITS ON THAT.

SO GET THAT ESTABLISHED FROM YOU SO THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE PUBLIC, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GIVE THEM A FULL VOICE WITHOUT SAYING WELL YOU'RE GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR. WE LOOK TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LIMITS ARE, WHETHER IT BE BUDGET OR SOME OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO EFFECT, AND THEN ACTUALLY LET THE PUBLIC WE'D GIVE THEM A MARKER, WE'D GIVE THEM A MAP.

AND I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THIS WITH SOME OF THE EXERCISES THAT WE DID WITH FREEDOM PARK.

WE LET THEM PARTICIPATE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS AND IT GIVES THEM A VOICE.

AND THEN WE TAKE THAT AND WE FILTER IT THROUGH EXPERIENCE AND THROUGH THE SCIENCE AND WHAT THE SITE WILL ALLOW FOR AND WHAT IT WANT, AS WELL AS SOME OF YOUR CONSTRAINTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE OUTPUT OF THAT IS A DESIGN THAT IS RESPONSIVE, RELEVANT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS, NOT JUST THE WANTS, BUT ALSO THE CONSTRAINTS THAT DO EXIST WITH PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

AND SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CLAUDIA.

SHE'S GOING TO DELVE INTO A LITTLE BIT OF HOW WE UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO TO VISIT THEM WITH YOU ABOUT THIS.

OKAY. EVENING, EVERYBODY.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS? SO JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITE IS. WE DO KNOW THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL STUDIES, THE LIVABLE CENTER STUDIES AS FAR AS THE ALSO THE PARKS AND RECREATION OPEN SPACE STUDY AND SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC INPUT THAT HAS BEEN COME IN THROUGH.

THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT HAVE FILTERED THROUGH ARE STILL PRETTY MINIMAL CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.

SO WE ARE REALLY ANXIOUS TO TO KNOW WHAT IS THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS.

BUT IN GENERAL, WE JUST WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NEED TO ADDRESS THE THE SMALL HALF ACRE SITES THAT TO ALLOW FOR THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK, FOR THE DAILY USE OF JUST A GENERAL FAMILY RECREATION AND PICNICKING AND SUCH.

SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ASSESSMENT ON SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE SEE JUST BY BEING IN BEING AROUND SEEING THE THE USE ON A DAY TO DAY AS WE'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION.

ADMINISTRATION FOR THE OTHER SITE, WE CAN TELL THE USE OF IT IS VERY, VERY LOW AT THE MOMENT. AND WE DO ANTICIPATE A, YOU KNOW, A NEED FOR ACCESSIBILITY.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY A BIG ONE.

WE HAD A IN 2018 WHEN WE DID THE MASTER PLAN FOR FOR THE BRAZORIA COUNTY CAMPUS, WE DID A NINE BLOCK STUDY OF JUST WALKING THE STREETS, WALKING ALL THE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE AREA AND ASSESSING THE WALKABILITY, THE ACCESSIBILITY AND THE DANGER POINTS AND ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT THAT COME ABOUT.

AND ACCESSIBILITY IS ABSOLUTELY A BIG ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN ORDER FOR TO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO TO ACCESS THE SITE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WOULD BE SOME PARKING ACCOMMODATIONS ON THE BRAZORIA COUNTY SITE.

SO THAT'S ONE ITEM.

GO BACK FOR A SECOND, CLAUDIA.

COULD YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN JUST A TOUCH? THERE WE GO. I FORGET I'M SHORT, I IDENTIFY.

[LAUGHTER] AND SO THERE'S DEFINITELY OTHER CONSTRAINTS THAT CAN YOU KNOW, ONE THING WE ALWAYS SAY IS A CONSTRAINT IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR GREATNESS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S THE EXISTING TREES, BEAUTIFUL TREES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SOMEHOW THROUGH PRESERVATION AND ACCOMMODATION.

THERE IS THE NEED FOR JUST THE FLEXIBLE SPACE TO ALLOW FOR MULTIPLE EVENT TYPES OR WHETHER IT'S A LARGE EVENT, A MEDIUM EVENT OR DAILY EVENT.

JUST HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY OF THAT SPACE WITH SEATING AS WELL AS GENERAL RECREATIONAL

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I GUESS IT'S A REALLY IT'S IT TAKES A LOT OF COORDINATION AND EFFORTS TO GET THAT SITE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED TO PROPOSE THIS AND HOPE TO GET.

GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE AND SEE WHAT ELSE THEY WANT.

[INAUDIBLE] ALLOW YOU TO COME IN AND DO THE NEXT SECTION WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROJECT UNDERSTANDING.

MY NAME IS DALE CLARK AGAIN.

SO I THINK FROM THIS POINT AS CLAUDIA TOUCHED ON WE'RE FOCUSING ON THIS MAP A LITTLE BIT MORE ON SITE SPECIFIC.

SO WHILE.

IT'S SORT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACQUIRING ADJACENT AVAILABLE LAND AND ACQUIRING DOESN'T MEAN NECESSARILY GOING TO BUY IT FOR YOU, BUT WE WANT TO MAYBE BORROW FOR A FEW HOURS DEPENDING ON THE EVENTS WE HAVE.

THE SITE ACTUALLY SPILL OVER INTO THE ADJACENT LAND.

I THINK ONE THING WE TOUCHED ON IS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE IS WE HAVE A STREET THAT'S A MAJOR STREET, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN MOST OF THE TIME.

BUT WE MAY LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN CLOSE THAT STREET DOWN FOR SPECIAL EVENTS ON THAT SPECIAL DAY OR BANDS OR WHATEVER WE END UP USING IT FOR.

I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR ADJACENT PARKING LOT THAT'S WIDE OPEN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ON STREET PARKING EVERYWHERE ELSE.

EVEN BEHIND THE PARK ITSELF, THERE'S A LITTLE SLIVER OF LAND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A TEMPORARY FOOD TRUCK COURT.

AND IF IT'S A REALLY BIG EVENT, MAYBE WE USE SOME OF THAT AS AN ON STREET PARKING AS WELL FOR FOOD TRUCKS.

I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, TOO, IS THE BIG CIRCLE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND YOU CAN SEE SOME JUST THE PICTURES AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE.

ACCESSIBILITY AND TRAFFIC IN WIDE PATHS DO NOT REALLY EXIST RIGHT NOW.

SO HOPEFULLY AS STREETS GET IMPROVED AND WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT STREETSCAPE OPTIONS, WE CAN HAVE ACCESSIBILITY WIDER THAN THREE OR FOUR FOOT PATHWAYS, AND WHEELCHAIR RAMPS AT ALL THE INTERSECTIONS AND SWITCH THAT NEXT ONE.

SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND THE PARK WITHIN THE SITE.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE THAT'S FINE.

BUT WE WILL LOOK AT KIND OF ENHANCED TREE PRESERVATION EFFORTS.

I'M NOT GOING TO JUDGE THEM RIGHT NOW.

THE TWO TREES OR FIVE TREES THAT ARE ACTUALLY THERE, SOME HAVE PROBABLY LIVED A GOOD LIFE, DEPENDING ON YOUR URBAN FORESTER.

THEY MAY SAY THEY NEED TO GO, SOME MAY NEED TO STAY.

BUT I THINK WE'RE WE'RE STILL OPEN TO ANALYZING THAT AS WE GO ON.

I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS TO HAVE ENOUGH SEATING AND A GATHERING AREA THAT'S FLEXIBLE. WE KEEP SAYING THAT OVER AND OVER, BUT RIGHT NOW, UNTIL WE REALLY GET THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROGRAMING AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY WHETHER WE NEED SEATING FOR TEN PEOPLE OR A THOUSAND PEOPLE, SO WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO KEEP THAT OPEN AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROJECT, I THINK.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ARCHITECTURE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR REBECCA? HI, I'M REBECCA [INAUDIBLE].

THANKS FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

I THINK THIS SITE IS REALLY NICE AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VERTICAL OPPORTUNITIES.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A GAZEBO THERE, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE THERE ANYMORE.

SO I THINK THAT LEADS TO SOME REALLY GREAT ADVANTAGES THAT WE COULD ADD A STAGE, WE COULD DO A PAVILION, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO SOME KIND OF COMBINATION OF THE TWO.

AGAIN, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WANTING IN RESPONDING TO ALL OF THOSE INQUIRIES.

ANOTHER ASPECT THAT WE COULD KIND OF INCORPORATE INTO THE STRUCTURE OR PAVILION STAGE IS SOME TYPE OF ARTWORK BRINGING THAT INTO THAT PARK.

SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE AROUND TOWN YOU GUYS HAVE BEAUTIFIED THE AREA WITH SOME MURALS AND SOME SCULPTURE AND STUFF.

SO THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING ADD TO THE PARK.

AGAIN, WE WANT TO KEEP IT FLEXIBLE.

WE WANT TO KEEP IT A MULTI-USE SITE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF A FEW THINGS WE WERE THINKING OF WITH KIND OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ASPECT OF IT.

I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER TO CLAUDIA.

SO REAL QUICK. CAN YOU HEAR ME? THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE PARK THAT WE WANTED TO SHOWCASE.

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IT'S ABOUT A HALF AN ACRE AS WELL.

THE LOCATION WAS DOWNTOWN CONROE.

THERE WAS A NEED TO ALLOW FOR STAGE AND LARGE GATHERING SPACES.

AND THERE WAS ALSO A NEED FOR NOISE REDUCTION AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN.

AND PARKING WAS A BIG ISSUE AS WELL.

SO SOME OF THESE WERE ALL CONSTRAINTS AND WE HAD A SOLUTION TO EACH WHICH WAS ALLOWING FOR A VERY OPEN, FLEXIBLE SPACE.

THERE'S SOME MOSTLY HARDSCAPE WITH SOME OPEN LAWNS, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF GREEN SPACE AND SHRUBBERY AROUND IT FOR SOME REDUCTION OF NOISE AS WELL AS A FOUNTAIN FOR KIDS PLAY, WHICH ALLOWED FOR AN ADDITIONAL AMENITY AND AS WELL AS A NOISE REDUCTION THROUGH THE SOUND OF WATER AND A FLEXIBLE PAVILION SPLASH STAGE THAT WAS IS USED AS A PAVILION.

IT'S ACTUALLY HAS A LARGER CANOPY NOW THAT ALLOWS FOR MULTI USE PAVILION AND THEY'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, RENTED FOR PARTIES AND THERE'S ALWAYS ALL THE DOWNTOWN AMENITIES AND FESTIVALS THAT HAPPEN.

THIS IS LIKE ONE OF THE PLACES THAT REALLY GATHERS THE SPACE.

AND SO I'LL STOP AT THAT ONE AND CLOSE IT.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING ALL OF THIS WITH YOU.

THE BIGGEST THING WE REALLY WANT YOU TO KNOW TODAY IS THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE THOROUGHLY ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND WITH MEGAN AND WITH EACH OF YOU OVER THE PAST, I GUESS NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR AT THIS STAGE, WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THIS COMMUNITY WELL.

WE FEEL LIKE WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR NEEDS AND ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THE SPECIFIC NEEDS FOR THIS.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO, AND WE REALLY LOVE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE YOU AND HELP TAKE VETERANS PARK AND REFRESH IT AND GET IT TO THE NEXT STAGE OF ITS DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING USED BY THE PUBLIC.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A CONVERSATION HERE NOW.

SO THANKS FOR THE TIME THIS EVENING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE ABLC PARK'S BOARD, IF ANYBODY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I KNOW YOU SAID A CONVERSATION, NOT A QUESTION, BUT I HAVE ONE.

OH, OF COURSE, YES.

AT THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX, IS THERE A DESIGN OR STYLE THAT YOU WOULD THINK YOU COULD CARRY OVER HERE THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE, BUT IT SINCE IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SKYWALK OR SOMETHING BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING DOWN ON THIS PARK.

I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD.

WE WERE ACTUALLY JUST CHATTING ABOUT THIS.

WE WENT AHEAD AND STOPPED BY THE PARK AGAIN, SINCE WE GOT HERE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER AND JUST WE'RE JUST WALKING AROUND AND TALKING.

SO THE STYLE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN PLACE, YOU'VE SEEN THE 1940S COURTHOUSE.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE JUSTICE CENTER ADDITION THAT'S BEING BUILT AND WE'RE RECLADDING THE 1976 BUILDING YOU KNOW, THANKFULLY.

THAT AND THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM SHENANGO WHERE WE'VE GOT A STONE CLADDING THAT MATCHES THE COLOR AND TEXTURE OF THE 40S COURTHOUSE.

HOWEVER, IT'S MIXED WITH GRAY, A DARK GRAY METAL PANEL AND A LOT OF GLASS.

THE GOAL WAS TO NOT MIMIC THE OLD, BUT TO RESPECT IT AND TRANSITION OUT OF IT.

AND SO THE ESTHETIC THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE AS A FAIRLY MODERN TYPE OF LOOK, COUPLED WITH THIS OLDER LOOK, AND SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS PROBABLY COULD BE BROUGHT OVER INTO THE PARK AND HAVE IT MAKE SENSE, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE SHENANGO PARKING PLAZA, WHAT WILL BECOME, THE PARKING PLAZA.

CLAUDIA AND DELL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON.

IT'LL BE A STONE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE A CONCRETE PATH WALKWAY, BUT WITH LANDSCAPING AND THERE'S SOME STONE WALLS AND AND WE COULD CERTAINLY BRING SOME OF THAT IN AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE IT APPEAR TO BE A PART OF THAT COMPLEX, BUT IT WOULD NOT CLASH EITHER.

DOES THAT ANSWER? YES.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW SINCE MEGAN SITTING THERE.

IT MAY. I WON'T TRY TO.

DON'T TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR TIME IF IT'S YOU ANSWERING.

OKAY. WE ALREADY KIND OF HAVE A PURPOSE FOR VETERANS PARK.

SO IS THIS INQUIRY BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO SORT OF SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO

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WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN QUITE A BIT, EVEN WITH CITY COUNCIL UP HERE, AND THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN VERY DIRECTED ABOUT IT.

SO CAN YOU BE MORE PRECISE OR YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE GONE ON? SO ARE WE GOING TO START BACK OVER AGAIN WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH VETERANS PARK? I WOULD SAY NO BASED OFF OF THE PUBLIC SURVEYS THAT WE'VE HAD.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, THOUGH, IS AS WE GET INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE TO REFINE THAT. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHILE WE MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT, HEY, WE WANT A GAZEBO OR AMPHITHEATER TYPE OF STRUCTURE, WHICH ONE IS IT? IS IT A GAZEBO OR AN AMPHITHEATER? AND I WAS HOPING WE WEREN'T GOING TO OPEN THE WHOLE BOOK BACK UP AGAIN BECAUSE IT TAKES A WHILE, OR THEN YOU SOMETIMES INADVERTENTLY OFFEND SOMEBODY BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A BUNCH OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE WANTING TO DO WITH THAT. OK SUPER.

SO WHAT WOULD BE OKAY, HERE'S MY QUESTION.

HOW BIG HOW MUCH SEATING COULD YOU USE WITH AN AMPHITHEATER ARRANGEMENT FOR A HALF ACRE OF LAND? SEATING OR JUST LAWN TYPE? YOU UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN ME.

OKAY. SO IF WE WERE TO TO USE THAT AS A WE USE IT FOR CONCERTS.

IT'S BEEN REALLY LOVELY WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE TO DO THAT, BUT THEY BROUGHT IN A STAGE.

SO I'VE ALWAYS ENVISIONED AN EARTHEN THING THAT KIND OF SLIDES DOWN, BUT THIS IS VERY FLAT HERE, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU GET THAT EFFECT ON A HALF ACRE INSIDE OF TOWN. IT WOULD BE HARD AND THEY WOULD HAVE, IF YOU WANTED THAT TYPE OF FORMALITY, THERE WOULD BE COST TO THE REST OF THE PROGRAM AND THE PARK.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE WE WOULD WORK OUT.

IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU SAY CONCERTS IN THE PARK, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE JUST BRINGING LAWN CHAIRS AND WE CREATE A NICE SPACE TO WHERE THERE'S SOME PRETTY GOOD SIGHTLINES, BUT THERE'S A THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH THE AUDIENCE WOULD GET TOO BIG TO MAKE IT TOO COMFORTABLE, OR DO YOU WANT TO FORMALIZE IT MORE? AND EACH ONE HAS ITS ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT TO NOT GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC ANSWER.

NO. IS THAT REALLY IT DOES REQUIRE UNDERSTANDING THE LEVEL OF INTENSITY AND BREADTH THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THERE.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT? THAT ANSWER JUST IN MY CONCEPT MIND BEING AN ACCOUNTANT, NOT AN ARCHITECTURE OR AN ENGINEER IS I WAS THINKING THERE WAS NO WAY TO DO THAT ON A HALF ACRE.

NOW IF WE HAD FIVE ACRES, WE COULD DO MORE OF THAT.

HOWEVER, WHAT YOU WOULD THEN WOULD BE REFINED, ALMOST SORT OF LIKE A CHOICE IF THIS IS WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, IF YOU WANTED THAT, OR IF YOU WANTED TO DO A STAGE, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO KIND OF WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED UP HERE, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ALREADY SET.

WE'VE BEEN USED TO DOING BRING YOUR CHAIRS, GET COMFORTABLE, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE IT MORE PRETTY.

THAT'S EXACTLY THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION.

THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH.

WE START FIRST, WE GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WANTS AND NEEDS ARE.

THEN WE BEGIN TO GET THAT PUT DOWN IN AN IDEA OF CONCEPTS.

I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP TO IT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, MY PERCEPTION OF WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.

SO PART OF IT IS WE NEED PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN EXPERTISE TO ANSWER THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST OUR THOUGHT OR WHAT WE THINK.

WE RAN INTO THIS IN NORTH SHORE PARK IN THE WOODLANDS.

THIS WAS A THIS WAS A PARK THAT WAS ACTUALLY BOUNDED BY NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.

AND THEY HAD CONCERTS IN THE PARK.

AND WE ENDED UP DESIGNING AN ELEVATED STAGE AND BACKDROP AND ACTUALLY DID A SOUND STUDY AS WELL, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND THEY DON'T HAVE EARTHEN BERMS, THERE'S A SLIGHT GRADE.

I MEAN, IT'S BARELY PERCEPTIBLE ON WHEN THE GRASS IS CUT.

YOU COULD PUT A HEAVY BALL ON IT AND IT WOULD PROBABLY ROLL DOWN IT, BUT OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT'S THERE.

BUT WHEN YOU GET 200 PEOPLE OUT THERE, THAT LITTLE BIT OF A GRADE IS JUST ENOUGH THAT EVERYBODY ENJOYS THEMSELVES.

AND THEN IT'S PLAY IT'S PLAY SPACE THE REST OF THE TIME.

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? PARKS BOARD. THEY'RE INTERMINGLED INTO THE CROWD.

BY THE WAY, CHARLES BURDITT SENDS HIS REGARD AND HE'S ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU GUYS AS WELL. WE HAVE WE ALL HAVE AS AN ENTIRE FIRM, PAUL HOWARD, WHO YOU'VE ALSO MET.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND WE REALLY WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THIS PARK.

SO THANK YOU.

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SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I WAS WONDERING ABOUT OUR VISITORS FROM THE NORTH IF WE WERE TO TRY TO GET THEM OUT OF HERE. AND IT'S RAINING ON ME ON THE WAY HOME.

HEAR THE CITY WARNING SYSTEM WAS WORKING WELL TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING.

WE'RE EXCITED TO PRESENT OUR TEAM AND OUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR YOUR VETERANS PARK PROJECT.

MY NAME IS JOHN FIELDER.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH KIMLEY HORN.

I'VE BEEN WITH KIMLEY HORN 18 YEARS AND I'VE WORKED ON NUMEROUS PROJECTS.

BUT WHAT REALLY EXCITES ME AND ENERGIZES ME COMING TO WORK EVERY DAY IS WORKING ON MUNICIPAL PARK PROJECTS.

THAT'S BEEN THE FOCUS OF MY CAREER AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE MY FOCUS GOING FORWARD.

I'M SHANNON MUNDY. I'VE BEEN WITH THE FIRM FOR FIVE YEARS.

I'M IN THE LOCAL HOUSTON OFFICE.

I WORK CLOSELY WITH KRISTINA MALEK, WHO MIGHT BE A FAMILIAR NAME TO YOU GUYS, AND I'M EXCITED TO PRESENT YOU ALL.

SO WE'VE COMPILED ONE OF MY FAVORITE TEAMS TO WORK TOGETHER ON PROJECTS.

AS PROJECT MANAGER, I WILL LEAD THE DESIGN.

WE ALSO HAVE MARK HATCHEL.

HE WILL BE THE SENIOR DESIGN CONSULTANT, QUALITY CONTROL MANAGER.

I'VE WORKED. MARK ACTUALLY HIRED ME 18 YEARS AGO AND HE AND I HAVE WORKED ON MULTIPLE PARKS AND AQUATIC PROJECTS ACROSS THE STATE AND EVEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

MARK AND I MET KRISTINA WHEN SHE WAS A STUDENT AT TEXAS A&M, AND WE'RE SO IMPRESSED WITH HER PROFESSIONALISM AND ABILITIES.

WE INVITED HER TO JOIN OUR TEAM.

SHE'S BEEN WITH US FOR TEN YEARS NOW AS WELL.

ERIN EUREK, WHO IS DOING SOME OF THE ADA TRANSITION WORK FOR THE CITY.

I'VE KNOWN ERIN SINCE SHE STARTED IN THE FORT WORTH OFFICE 16 YEARS AGO, AND WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS.

AND SO THIS TEAM HAS UNMATCHED EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS THE LONGEVITY OF WORKING TOGETHER FOR HALF A DECADE TO ALMOST 20 YEARS.

SO WE ALSO HAVE A FEW PROJECTS IN ANGLETON CURRENTLY ERIN EUREK IS WORKING ON THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN AND JEFF IS WORKING ON THE PARK STANDARD, WHICH YOU MIGHT BE HEARING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER TODAY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE AREA, SO I WANTED TO JUST THROW UP A COUPLE OF PROJECTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS FOR YOU GUYS TO TO LOOK AT.

I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO PROJECTS WE'VE DONE FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN.

THE FIRST IS SAN JACINTO BOULEVARD, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME PROJECT TEAM WE'VE COMPILED FOR ANGLETON THAT WORKED ON THIS PROJECT.

SO IT'S GREAT COLLABORATION.

WE ALSO GOT TO WORK WITH A LOCAL ARTIST, DAVID ADDICKS.

HE DID THE SAM HOUSTON STATUE IN THE ROUNDABOUT.

ANOTHER COOL PART ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE THIS CUSTOM WAVE WALL THROUGH THE MEDIANS AND IT REALLY GAVE IT GOT GREAT LIGHTING AND IT JUST ADDS A LOT OF INTEREST FOR DRIVERS AS THEY GO THROUGH THE ROADWAY.

THE SECOND IS PIRATE BAY MUNICIPAL WATER PARK.

THIS WAS JOHN'S FIRST PROJECT WITH MARK HATCHEL THEY ACTUALLY DID AN OVERALL KIND OF PLANNING PROJECT FOR AQUATICS FOR THE CITY, AND IT GOT SUCH GOOD BUZZ THAT THEY WANTED TO BREAK GROUND ON THE WATER PARK.

SO THIS PARK HAS BEEN EXPANDED THREE TIMES AT THIS POINT, AND WE JUST LOVE THAT THE COMMUNITY LOVES IT AND REALLY IT'S WELL USED.

THIS PROJECT IS ONE OF OUR AWARD WINNING VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK PROJECTS.

IT'S A 15 ACRE PARK.

AND IT'S IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE A TRUE VETERANS PARK MEMORIAL PLAZA WITH VARIOUS FEATURES FOR REFLECTION, FOR EDUCATION.

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AND WE'VE GOT THE EXPERIENCE TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT SOME SIMILAR FEATURES LIKE THIS.

BUT A LOT OF PARKS WILL HAVE MULTIPLE FEATURES.

THEY WON'T JUST BE THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, THEY ARE MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL PARK FEATURES INCORPORATING THE SITE LIKE WE DID AT THIS WICHITA FALLS PROJECT.

THIS IS THE LAKE WICHITA REVITALIZATION PROJECT I INCORPORATED A BOARDWALK TRAIL EXTENSION AND PLAZA AS WELL AS THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PLAZA, LAKESIDE PROMENADE, PROMENADE AND DOCKS AND A BOAT RAMP.

SO OUR PROJECT TEAM, MYSELF AND MARK HATCHEL AND KRISTINA AND BRIAN LAFOY, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, ALL WORKED TOGETHER, WORKED WITH THE CITY OF WICHITA FALLS WITH THEIR DESIGN COMMITTEE TO HELP ESTABLISH CONSENSUS ON WHAT THE DESIGN SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHERE THE PLAZA SHOULD BE PLACED.

YOU CAN SEE WE PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF A SETBACK BETWEEN THE GENERAL PARK USES AND THE PLAZA, BUT STILL HAVE STRONG VISUAL AND LINEAR CONNECTIONS TO THE PLAZA.

THE PROJECT IS PHASED.

THE BOARDWALK'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PLAZA WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT MONTH.

SOME OTHER DOWNTOWN PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE.

MARK AND KRISTINA AND I MET WITH THE CITY OF BROWNFIELD, AND THEY HAD A SMALL LOT IN DOWNTOWN, AND THEY HAD A VISION TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC SPACE WITH SOME PICNIC TABLES, FOOD TRUCK AREA AND PERFORMANCE STAGE.

SO WE WORKED WITH THEM, DEVELOPED CONCEPTS, REALISTIC COSTS AND PLANS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE THIS PROJECT CONSTRUCTED FOR USE.

AND IT REALLY ACTIVATED THIS CORNER OF THE DOWNTOWN.

IT WAS A HIGH IMPACT PROJECT.

ONE OF MY FAVORITE PROJECTS THAT I'VE WORKED ON WAS FOR THE CITY OF GAINESVILLE.

THE CITY MANAGER THERE CALLED ME UP TO THE SITE AND SAID, JOHN, I WANT TO SHOW YOU OUR FARMER'S MARKET. IT'S GOT 100 YEAR OLD PAVILION, TWO SMALL ASPHALT PARKING LOTS, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE SO MUCH MORE.

I SAID, BARRY, YOU'RE RIGHT.

LET'S GO TAKE A LOOK. LET'S START PULLING TOGETHER SOME SKETCHES.

AND SO MARK, KRISTINA AND I TEAMED UP, PREPARED THESE CONCEPTS, AND WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ACTUALLY CLOSE THE SECTION OF THE STREET AND CREATE A FESTIVAL STREET.

SO THAT WAY, THE TWO PARKING LOTS NOW BECAME ONE SPACE.

WE WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THEIR BRANDING STANDARDS INTO THE PARK.

AND THEN BECAUSE THIS PARK, THIS PARK IS LOCATED IN THEIR DOWNTOWN, THEY'VE GOT THE COURTHOUSE AND ANOTHER COMMERCIAL HUB.

AND THIS IS A CORNERSTONE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.

SO IN ORDER TO REALLY BALANCE THE NEW WITH SOME OF THE OLD, WE ACTUALLY REPURPOSED SOME OF THE STREET PAVERS AND USED THOSE FOR THE VENEERS ON THE PAVILIONS AND ACCENTS IN THE STREET. AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A PERFORMANCE STAGE HERE IN FRONT OF A LAWN IN THIS AREA, GETS USED ALMOST EVERY OTHER WEEK.

IF YOU PULL UP THEIR CALENDAR, THERE IS SOMETHING SCHEDULED THERE, HIGHLY USED.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING A VETERAN'S DAY CELEBRATION AND HONORING VETERANS. AWESOME.

SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO VETERANS PARK AND LOOK AT SOME POTENTIAL CONSTRAINTS AND SOLUTIONS FOR THOSE.

SO THE FIRST CONSTRAINT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS A NUMBER OF AMENITIES VERSUS PARK SIZE.

IT'S QUITE A SMALL PARK AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF AMENITIES.

SO THROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND TALKING WITH YOU ALL, FIRST UP IS PRIORITIZING AMENITIES, UNDERSTANDING REALLY WHAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THE PARK IF THERE'S OPTIONS TO ADD ON AS BID ALTERNATIVE, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT.

SO I THINK REALLY BEING CREATIVE, HAVING CREATIVE DESIGN SOLUTIONS TO COME UP WITH FLEXIBLE SPACES IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE THE PARKS IN MANY WAYS WOULD BE THE BEST ROUTE HERE.

THE SECOND CONSTRAINT, WHICH IS REALLY AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY, IS THE PARK LOCATION.

IT'S BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL HUB AND THE GOVERNMENT HUB OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS PART A CONNECTOR BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND DOING SO I THINK WE WOULD MAKE WE WANT IT TO BE A DISTINCT DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE.

SO THROUGH PUBLIC ART, THROUGH ACTIVITIES, THROUGH THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, HOW PEOPLE GET TO THE SITE. ONCE THEY'RE THERE, WE'LL PROVIDE GOOD SIGNAGE.

THEY CAN GET TO THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE, CITY HALL, THE ANGLETON HEART.

SO USING THAT AS A GOOD LOCATION FINDER FOR OTHER PEOPLE WOULD BE GREAT.

THIS IS ALSO A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OVERALL CITY BRANDING AND SO YOU CAN CREATE THIS COHESIVE DOWNTOWN LOOK.

THE NEXT TWO CONSTRAINTS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GAPS IN SIDEWALKS, LACK OF CROSSWALKS, AND LACK OF BIKE LANES, ESSENTIALLY.

SO THERE'S NOT A GREAT THERE'S NOT GREAT ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION AT THIS SITE.

EVEN WHEN THERE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS, THERE ARE SOME ACCESSIBILITY CONCERNS, UNEVEN

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WE'D ALSO WANT TO CONNECT THOSE SIDEWALKS, START WITH SOME GOOD CROSSWALKS, ESPECIALLY TO THE EAST PARKING LOT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'LL BE A MAIN AREA PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SHADE TREES.

THEY'RE AMAZING.

OUR PRIORITY IS TO PRESERVE THEM.

BUT WE BROUGHT AN ARBORIST ON OUR TEAM BECAUSE WE WANT TO REALLY LOOK AT THE HEALTH AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BEST THEY CAN BE.

AND ALSO, YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY AND CREATE AN AMAZING PARK AND THEN THE TREES ARE DAMAGED OR THEY DIE SOON.

SO WE JUST WANT TO BE REALLY SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S EXISTING.

AND SO THERE WERE THREE OBJECTIVES IN THE LIVABLE CENTER STUDY FOR THIS PARK.

SO I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON EACH ONE OF THOSE.

THE FIRST WAS ACQUIRING LAND TO THE WEST IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE PARK.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPHIC, THE USABLE PARK SPACE IS ABOUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET.

WE DEFINITELY RECOMMEND TAKING OUT THAT EXISTING HEAD AND PARKING AND JUST USING THAT ENTIRE LOT FOR THE USABLE PARK SPACE TO KEEP ACQUIRING WEST YOU GET INTO THE PARKING LOT OF THE BRAZORIA COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A SHARED USE WITH THE COUNTY AFTER OFFICE HOURS ON THE WEEKENDS. FOOD TRUCK CAN PARK THERE.

PEOPLE CAN SET UP TENTS FOR THE FARMERS MARKET.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EVERY ALL THE TIME USE BUT I THINK IT'D BE GREAT EXPANSION FOR THE PARK. THE NEXT WOULD BE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND PREPARE A PROGRAMING PLAN.

SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE KIND OF NATURAL PART OF THIS DESIGN PROCESS.

BUT I WANTED TO THROW UP SOME PARK NEEDS ASSESSMENTS WE DID FOR CITY OF SEABROOK.

WE GOT IN, WE WENT OUT TO THE PARK.

WE TOOK A REALLY THOROUGH INVENTORY OF THE EXISTING AMENITIES, POTENTIAL AMENITIES, OPPORTUNITIES, CONSTRAINTS.

WE ALSO PUT TOGETHER AN ACTION WORKSHEET FOR THE CITY, WHICH WAS REALLY COOL.

THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE ANYTHING WE PROPOSED WAS IMPLEMENTABLE.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR DESIGNS CAN ACTUALLY BE CONSTRUCTED.

AND WE'RE IN THE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THERE.

SO THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER EXTRA STEP THAT WE DID TO HELP THEM WITH THAT.

AND THEN WE HAVE A PICTURE OF TREVOR WENT OUT THERE BY DURING THE HOLIDAYS.

SO WE HAVE THE BIG CHRISTMAS TREE OUT THERE WHEN HE WAS DOING THE THE PARK STANDARDS INVENTORY. AND THE LAST ITEM FROM THE LIVABLE CENTER STUDY WAS CONDUCTING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS WE'VE DONE THIS, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MANY OF OUR MUNICIPAL PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S ONLINE SURVEYS, DESIGN CHARRETTE, PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE ALL THE CONSTITUENTS GET THEIR VOICES HEARD.

AND I THINK I THINK THE DESIGN CHARRETTE WOULD BE.

PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER SCALE THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE BEST FOR OUR MONEY AND GET EVERYTHING SORTED OUT.

AND LASTLY, WE WENT THROUGH SOME AMENITIES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US FOR THE PARKS BOARD OF OF THINGS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE GAINESVILLE DOWNTOWN PROJECT, JOHN MENTIONED, WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO INCORPORATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE AMENITIES IN THAT PROJECT.

SO WE'VE SEEN THE IDEAS FROM THE SCREEN CONSTRUCTED TO A REAL PARK.

SO REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE.

WE THINK THERE'S THE SPACE IS REALLY GREAT FOR WHAT EVERYONE'S PROPOSING.

SO THE TEAM THAT SHANNON AND I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU IS READY, AVAILABLE AND EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU ON YOUR PROJECT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE GOT NUMEROUS PROFESSIONALS IN THE HOUSTON METRO AREA ACROSS THE STATE AND EVEN ACROSS EVEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

PLANNERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS SUCH AS OUR FRIEND JEFF.

IF WE NEED SPECIAL EXPERTISE, WE'RE ABLE TO BRING THOSE THOSE PEOPLE IN VERY EASILY.

AND WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ANY SCHEDULE IN ANY PROJECT THAT MAY ARISE.

MARK AND I ARE COMMITTED TO BE THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP ON THIS PROJECT HELP LEAD THE DESIGN AND BUILD CONSENSUS WITH YOUR STAFF AND THE PUBLIC.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT, EVERY SITE IS DIFFERENT, AND WE KNOW HOW TO WORK WITH YOU TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

SO WE UNDERSTAND VETERANS MEMORIALS, WE UNDERSTAND PARK PROJECTS, WE UNDERSTAND DOWNTOWN PROJECTS, AND WE UNDERSTAND WE KNOW HOW TO GET THOSE TO MESH TOGETHER WELL.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD CONSENSUS, USE OUR LOCAL KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE TO DELIVER A FANTASTIC PROJECT.

AND WE HAVE OUR IN-HOUSE MULTI-DISCIPLINARY TEAM.

WE ALL KNOW EACH OTHER.

WE ALL WORK TOGETHER. WE ALL LIKE WORKING TOGETHER.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER A FANTASTIC PROJECT TO YOU.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER FOR ANOTHER TEN YEARS.

WE'LL BE HERE SAME TEAM, HOPEFULLY DOING MORE PROJECTS WITH YOU AND PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION. WE UNDERSTAND HOW TO DEVELOP SOLID CONCEPTS, REALISTIC COSTS PROJECTIONS

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AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK WE'RE A GREAT FIT AND WE'RE EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH YOU ON YOUR PROJECT. THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QR CODE OF THIS PRESENTATION.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO SCAN IT ON THEIR PHONES AND LOOK AT IT LATER, IT'S AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] I HAVE ONE.

I FORGOT TO ASK THE OTHER TEAM, IF WE WERE TO ABANDON THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE PARK BETWEEN THERE AND THE BIG PARKING LOT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A BIGGER FOOTPRINT TO DO A LITTLE MORE.

IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO.

AND THAT'S WORKING WITH LOCAL DPS.

SO FIRE, FIRE AND POLICE OFFICIALS TO DETERMINE WHAT'S FEASIBLE.

AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE PROJECT IN GAINESVILLE.

YOU CAN SEE THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MIDDLE.

BETWEEN THOSE TWO PAVILIONS.

THAT WAS CHESTNUT AVENUE, VERY LOW TRAFFIC.

SO WE PUT REMOVABLE BOLLARDS.

IT'S A NO CURB SECTION, SO IT REALLY FEELS LIKE ONE PLAZA.

BUT THOSE BOLLARDS CAN BE REMOVED IF THEY EVER NEED TO ACCESS FOR ANY REASON.

SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT DURING DESIGN AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT IMPLEMENTED. SO THAT IS THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

OKAY. QUESTION ON THE ACCESSIBILITY AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

THEY THE COUNTY RENOVATED THE PARKING LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS.

SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT PART THAT THEY'VE GOT GOOD NEW CURBS FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.

DO WE KNOW THAT ANSWER? THEY SHOULD, THEY ARE THEY ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO SUBMIT THAT PROJECT FOR REVIEW.

SO REGISTERED ACCESSIBILITY SPECIALISTS WILL HAVE REVIEWED THOSE PLANS AND INSPECTED IT AFTER. SO IF THERE WERE ANY DISCREPANCIES, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTED.

AND SO BECAUSE THAT'S SUPER BECAUSE THE NICE THING IS, IS EVERYBODY CAN USE THAT PARKING LOT AND THAT JUST EVERYBODY BENEFITS.

NOW, ON OUR SIDE OF IT, THERE'S A LOT OF OLD CONCRETE, NOT ADA COMPLIANT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE. BUT SO SO PART OF THIS IS WE'VE CERTAINLY GOT SOME WORK ON OUR SIDE, EVEN IF IT DOES TAKE IN THE THE STREET THAT'S THERE.

I AM NOT VERY GOOD AT SPATIAL CONCEPTS.

SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE PARK, THE TRADITIONALLY THE VETERANS PARK HAD 450 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

4450, I THINK.

SO THAT'S PART OF OUR PROPERTY, RIGHT.

SO IF WE IF THAT BECOMES PART OF THE PARK, DO THE SUMMATION OF THOSE TWO THEN BECOME HALF AN ACRE? IS THAT HALF AN ACRE? I'M JUST TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO MATCH UP IS THAT SQUARE FOOT ADDED TOGETHER A HALF AN ACRE? VERY, VERY CLOSE.

OKAY, GREAT. GREAT. OKAY.

SO I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE TOTAL.

SO THEN IF WE DO THE STREET ACCESS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THE 4500 BECAUSE IT'S BIGGER.

RIGHT. OKAY.

AND THEN WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IS JUST AN AGREEMENT WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE TO SAY, COULD WE USE YOUR PARKING LOT WHEN THE WHEN THERE'S EVENTS GOING ON THERE? RIGHT. SO SO THERE IS NO THERE IS NO SOLID THE FIRST SOLID WALL THAT GETS BEHIND THERE AS THEY'RE BUILDING. RIGHT.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S PARKING LOT.

PARKING LOT BUILDING.

RIGHT? RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY.

SO. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS OF HOW HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH OTHER CITIES TO GET PERMISSION FOR A MURAL OR SOMETHING ON ANOTHER BUILDING? DOES THAT HAPPEN? I HAVE NO IDEA.

YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE.

YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.

IT WOULD BE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO POSSIBLY INCENTIVIZE THEM TO DO IT.

AND IF IT'S THE COUNTY WHO OWNS IT, IT MIGHT BE EASIER THAN IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S LEASING IT TO THE COUNTY.

SO. OKAY, SO.

SO HOW DO WE DO SIGNAGE THERE? I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF DIRECTING PEOPLE TO RETAIL, TO GOVERNMENT.

SO TWO OR THREE SENTENCES, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? I THINK JUST INCORPORATING EITHER VERTICAL SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING HIGH VISIBILITY VISIBLE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY COMPLEX.

JUST A SIMPLE ARROW WITH A PICTURE OR WORD CAN HELP GUIDE PEOPLE.

OKAY, THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN GAINESVILLE.

WE IMPLEMENTED SOME OF THE BRANDING STANDARDS, SO WE HAD VERTICAL PYLONS THAT SAID

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THEY'RE VERY SIMPLE BUT SLEEK AND VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY ATTRACTIVE SIGN.

YEAH, WELL, PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE KIND OF KNOW EVERYTHING.

BUT IF YOU'VE GOT VISITORS IN TOWN, THEY THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DON'T.

AND THEN YOU REALIZE WHEN YOU'RE GIVING SOMEBODY DIRECTIONS, IT'S HARDER THAN YOU THINK BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE LANDMARKS.

SO. YEAH.

JUST A LITTLE TALKING POINT ON THAT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS BUILDING.

THEY'RE GOING TO VACATE OUT OF THAT IN ABOUT 12 TO 15 MONTHS BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING THEM A NEW FACILITY.

SO THAT BUILDING WILL BECOME, AS I KNOW IT NOW, IS AN EMPTY BUILDING.

I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO REPURPOSE IT, BUT IT WON'T HAVE AS MUCH PROBABLY INVOLVEMENT RIGHT NOW ONCE THEY GET INTO THE NEW BUILDING AND THEY REPURPOSE THAT BUILDING.

SO THE MURAL PIECE, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? THEY MAY SELL IT, THEY MAY LEASE IT.

THEY HAVE NO CLUE.

TALK ABOUT THE SIGNAGE.

I THINK MARTHA AND MEGHAN AND CHRIS HAVE TALKED ABOUT WAYFINDING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND I THINK EVEN THROUGH MAYBE PARKS BOARD, I'M NOT SURE.

BUT I KNOW THEY'VE GOT SOME PLANS IN PLACE.

OF COURSE, IT'S ALL FUNDING.

SIMPLE WAYFINDING, JUST EVEN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO GOOD THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE IT COULD BE INCORPORATED WITH THIS AS WELL, SO.

ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR.

SO HAVE ALL THESE PLANS INCORPORATED THE FACT OF ALL THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS [INAUDIBLE] CITY AND FAMILIES? IT'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. I MEAN, ARE WE ARE WE LOOKING HAVE WE LOOKED INTO THE FUTURE FAR ENOUGH TO TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WE EXPECT TO BE MOVING INTO THE AREA? CAN THIS HANDLE THEM? IS IT BIG ENOUGH OR WILL IT BE OUTDATED AS SOON AS WE PUT IT IN? THAT'S JUST I CAN'T ANSWER THAT COMPLETELY, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WITH OUR PARK SYSTEM, LOOK AT PUTTING ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE VARIOUS PARKS.

AND THIS IS JUST A SMALL PIECE OF WHAT OUR PARK SYSTEM INVOLVES.

WE KNOW WHAT WE DO WITH IT NOW, TODAY.

IS IT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE MEGAN'S GROUP COMES UP WITH, WITH THE FUTURE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT IN THE FUTURE? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT PARK COULD EVER ACCOMMODATE EVEN THE PEOPLE WE HAVE NOW, EVEN AFTER WE MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES THAT THAT PARK IS REALLY DESIGNED AS A SMALL, SMALLER PARK.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'LL EVER BE ANY MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE SHEER SIZE AND WHAT IT'S GOT, BOUNDARIES ON EVERY SIDE.

AND SO IT'S KIND OF A A SINGLE PURPOSE PARK AT THIS POINT.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY CALL IT A PARK.

IT'S MORE OF A PLAZA, PARTICULARLY IN A LOCATION.

SO AS FAR AS HIGH OCCUPANCY, THAT WOULDN'T BE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THAT.

BUT YOU WOULD MAKE IT FOR WHATEVER FUNCTIONS, WHETHER IT'S A CONCERT OR PARK, WHETHER IT'S FOOD TRUCKS, BUT IT'S NOT MEANT TO BRING 10,000 PEOPLE TO IT OR CHRISTMAS ON THE SQUARE OR HEART OF ANGLETON FESTIVALS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

SO SHOULD THE DESIGN BE MORE OF A SINGLE PURPOSE RATHER THAN TRYING TO GET A LOT OF AMENITIES INTO IT? WELL, YOU'RE YOU'RE LIMITED FROM THE SIZE WITH A LOT OF AMENITIES.

WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, IS PUT LESSER AMENITIES, WHETHER YOU HAVE MORE LAWN, WHETHER YOU HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIR CONCERTS, IF WE CONTINUE DOING THE CONCERTS THERE, BUT RATHER THAN FILL IT UP WITH AMENITIES LIKE YOU WOULD IN A PARK WITH PLAYGROUNDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, IT'S LIKE I SAID, AT LEAST THAT'S MY VISION, MINE AS WELL. AND EVEN THE ROAD, I THINK THE ROAD WITH IT CLOSED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE, IT DOESN'T SERVE ANY PURPOSE.

SO YOU COULD GAIN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT RIGHT AWAY, 60 FOOT OR THE OLD ONES WERE WIDER, BUT YOU COULD GAIN MORE SPACE BUT.

WHERE ON THE MAP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD? YEAH, BUT POSSIBLY JUST UP TO THE ALLEYWAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CUT THOSE FOLKS OFF.

THAT GO INTO THEIR BACK BUSINESS.

[INAUDIBLE] DON'T YOU BLOCK OFF FOR FOOD TRUCKS YEAH, WE DO THAT ALREADY. SO YOU BLOCK OFF TWO ROADS? YES, MA'AM. BUT THAT WOULD BE THAT PART WOULD JUST BE FOR THE EVENT.

WELL, YOU CAN. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT THERE, YEAH. YEAH.

AND THOSE PEOPLE COULD STILL LOOP AROUND IF THAT CONCRETE IN THE BACK, YOU COULD LOOP AROUND THE BUILDING FROM THE ALLEYWAY THROUGH THE ADJOINING STREET IF NEEDED.

BUT JUST A THOUGHT.

AND CHRIS AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY TOSSING THAT IDEA BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT THEM. OF COURSE, CLOSING SHENANGO AND US GIVING THEM THAT AFFECTED US AS WELL.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR MOBILITY.

YEAH, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY.

YEP. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WILL BE UNDERSTOOD AND IT WILL HAPPEN NATURALLY AND WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT IS THAT'S A NATURAL PLACE FOR OVERFLOW FROM THE COURTHOUSE FOR PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR LUNCH OR GO OUT TO EAT AND BRING SOMETHING FROM SOMEWHERE SO THEY

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AND IT JUST BECOMES SOMETHING THAT'S MENTIONED ABOUT THAT'S KIND OF A CAUSEWAY OR A WALKWAY BETWEEN THE COURTHOUSE AND DOWNTOWN, BUT THAT OPENS UP THINGS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALL.

THE OTHER THING IS HAVING PEOPLE SPEND MORE TIME DOWNTOWN.

SO IF WE HAVE EASY SEATING, STILL LEAVING IT OPEN FOR THE CONCERTS AND HAVE ACTUALLY A RESTROOM AREA SO THAT PEOPLE WILL SPEND MORE TIME DOWNTOWN, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE VALUABLE IN THE LONG TERM.

MS. [INAUDIBLE], I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.

WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THE ATTORNEY AND THE CLIENT NEED TO GO HAVE A POW WALK AND GO DECOMPRESS IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S OUTSIDE AND MORE CALMING AND SOOTHING BEFORE GOING BACK INTO THE COURTHOUSE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

WE'LL GIVE YOU BACK INTO YIELDING MORE TIME IF WE NEED TO.

THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SELECTION OF THE FIREARM FOR VETERANS PARK.

GO AHEAD, MS. MEGAN, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

SO REALLY AT THIS TIME, IT'S OPEN DISCUSSION AMONG THE TWO BOARDS TO SELECT A FIRM FOR THIS PROJECT WHEN WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDING.

SO JUST BASED OFF OF THE PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU HEARD THIS EVENING.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

COMMENTS? YOU WANT TO BANTER BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSIONS.

IDEAS? WELL, BOTH FIRMS HAD A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS.

NOTHING AGAINST EITHER ONE.

BUT WE HAD A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH BURDITT ON FREEDOM PARK AND THEY ARE WORKING NEXT DOOR. BUT KIMLEY HORN'S DOING WORK FOR US NOW AS WELL ON OTHER PROJECTS BUT.

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS JUST.

IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHO WE'RE VOTING FOR NOW OR IS THIS.

MY PREFERENCE JUST IS BURDITT AT THIS TIME.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I THINK FROM THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, THEY JUST HAD THE TOP FIRM, WHICH WAS I'M TRYING TO GET YOU ON MY PAGE BASED ON THE SCORING SHEET THAT WE HAVE WAS BURDITT, RIGHT? CORRECT. IT WAS, YES.

NOW, JUST THROWING THE QUESTION OUT THERE, IS THERE FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO GO THAT ROUTE AND GO WITH THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE IT WAS A LOWER EVALUATION, IS THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN MEET SOME SORT OF RULE.

NO, WE THIS IS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

SO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHOOSE WHICHEVER FIRM WE DECIDE.

JUST WANT TO SURE THAT WHOEVER IS LISTING ONLINE, IF THEY SO CHOOSE, POPS UP.

WE LOOK AT THAT.

SO CHRIS, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES. GO AHEAD.

I HATE TO BE THIS GUY.

WHEN FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO AS YOU KNOW, WE DID BRING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL TO INCLUDE IN THE PACKAGE FOR CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.

IT WAS AN ITEM THAT SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS EXPRESSED THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE IN THE PACKAGE. SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS PRESENTING THIS ITEM BY SELECTING THE FIRM AND PROCEEDING WITH A PROGRAM CONCEPT, PRELIMINARY DESIGN WITHIN THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO FALL UNDER EITHER ABLC OR GENERAL FUND CIP OR CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR PARKS.

SO IT WOULD BE SUGGESTED IT CURRENTLY IS THIS EVENING PROPOSED IT'S A HIGHLIGHTED ITEM FOR ABLC BUDGET FOR PROJECTS.

WHAT WAS THAT.

GO AHEAD. ADDITIONALLY, WE ALSO HAVE IN THE CIP PLAN THE PRIORITY OF PROJECTS.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THE TOP THREE.

SO [INAUDIBLE], WHAT YOU ARE REFERENCING IN THE BUDGET AND WE'LL POINT IT OUT LATER ON, JUST LIKE WE HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR PARK PROJECTS THAT WE ARE UTILIZING FOR ADA TRANSITION PLAN PARK STANDARDS MANUAL.

WE HAVE A LUMP SUM THAT IS PROPOSED IN THE ABLC BUDGET PRELIMINARILY BASED ON THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED THIS EVENING FOR DESIGN FOR VETERANS CONCEPT.

BUT RIGHT WE'RE GETTING DIRECTION FROM ABLC ON ON THE BUDGET AND SO THAT WILL DICTATE HOW WE PROCEED WITH REQUESTING FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO, JOHN, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT FUNDING.

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AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN STANDARDS YET AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THE ABIGAIL AREAS PARK. YET WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING TOO FAST, TOO QUICKLY THAT WE SHOULD START A PROJECT AND FINISH THE PROJECT BEFORE WE START ALLOCATING FUNDS TO ANOTHER PROJECT.

AND BECAUSE LIKE WE'RE FINDING OUT LAKESIDE, WE HAVE A COST ISSUE THERE WITH THE PYLONS AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? THE MORE MONEY WE EAT INTO ON OTHER THINGS, THEN WHEN AN ISSUE ARISES, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS I FEEL LIKE I LIKE THE PLANS.

I THINK THESE WERE GREAT PRESENTATIONS.

I REALLY WANT TO SEE VETERANS PARK REDONE AND IN A GREAT NEW IMAGE.

BUT I JUST WONDER, ARE WE MOVING TOO FAST, TOO QUICKLY.

THAT'S MY ISSUE. BECAUSE I WAS THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT ALSO HAD AN ISSUE WITH PUTTING IT IN THE CO BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ALLOCATE PARTS AGAINST GENERAL OBLIGATION FUNDS ON THE GENERAL FUND. THAT'S TRUE, BUT WE'VE SINCE CHANGED COURSE.

ACTUALLY, FREEDOM PARK WAS THE FIRST ONE AND NOW WE STOP THAT TO MOVE TO THE SOUTH SIDE PARK AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER PARK.

SO THAT'S MY ISSUE.

IT'S A GOOD. YEAH.

SO THOSE ARE THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES WERE THE MUNICIPAL POOL, VETERANS PARK AND FREEDOM PARK.

SO WHO'S PRIORITIES? THAT'S THAT'S THE CITY'S PRIORITIES.

I DON'T THINK SO. CAPITAL OUTLAY.

CAPITAL. WE KIND OF WE CHANGED THAT.

YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PRIORITIES FOR THE CIP? YEAH. SIDE PARK, SOUTH SIDE OF.

YES, THAT HAS THAT HASN'T BEEN OFFICIALLY CHANGED.

SO, AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF SEEKING GUIDANCE HERE.

IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE PARTIES OF FUNDING, WE CAN DO THAT.

AND VETERANS PARK WILL GO AWAY AND ABIGAIL PARK WILL STEP IN THERE, IF THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE SO.

IT IS, I THINK WE ALL WE ASSERTED THAT HERE IN THE PARKS BOARD, THE SOUTH SIDE WAS WHY FREEDOM PARK DIDN'T GO FORWARD.

OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, WE'RE FOLLOWING PRIORITIES FROM YEAR AGO AND THINGS HAVE DRAMATICALLY SHIFTED.

AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT.

THANK YOU, CHRIS. AND SO JUST TO ECHO THE CIP AS WELL, THE CIP PLAN, WHICH JUST OUTLAYS THE FIVE YEARS WE GO INTO TEN YEARS ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE MASTER STRATEGIC PLAN, THAT IS HOW WE OUTLINED OUR CIP PROJECTS.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH CHRIS'S SENTIMENTS.

WE DO KNOW THAT SOUTH SIDE IS A PRIORITY.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, WE DID NOT KNOW THAT AT THIS TIME.

LIKE MARK ALLUDED TO, WE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WERE UP IN THE AIR.

WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO PROCEED WITH FREEDOM, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS BUDGETED.

WE PUT A HALT TO THAT SO WE COULD FOCUS ON SOUTH SIDE.

BUT WHILE WE WERE PUTTING A HALT TO THAT, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER IN OCTOBER AND DECEMBER MEETINGS, WE HAD ALREADY STARTED THIS RFQ FOR VETERANS PARK BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE CIP LAST YEAR.

WE HAD ALREADY STARTED THE RFQ FOR THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

SO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS PRESENTING THE RESULTS OF THAT.

AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF ABLC AND THE PARKS BOARD IS TO MINIMALLY SELECT A FIRM SO THAT WHEN WE ARE READY AND WE DO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT OR PRELIMINARY DESIGN OR CONCEPT PLANNING THAT WE KNOW WHO WE'RE GOING WITH.

AND IF WE DECIDE TO FUND A SMALL AMOUNT OF THAT NEXT YEAR, THEN WE CAN.

WE KNOW WHO WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH.

THANK YOU, MEGAN. THAT HELPS.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO FROM A PROFESSIONAL, FIRM POINT OF VIEW.

PEOPLE LIKE KNOWING WHO GETS THE BID AND THERE'S NOT THIS LETDOWN THAT IS PHRASED THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT ONCE FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE.

AND I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE THIS IS NEW TO ME.

SO IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO PICK X, BUT WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT YET, DOES THAT REFLECT BAD ON US? WELL, WE DID NOTE IN RFQ THAT IT WAS THAT WE HAD PLANNED FOR THIS GOING INTO IT WAS BEING A PROPOSED PROJECT FOR THE UPCOMING CO, NOT THAT IT WAS FUNDED.

SO THAT THAT WAS WELL KNOWN IN THE RFQ.

GOTCHA. AND LATER ON, WE'RE GOING TO TALK IN OUR BUDGET THING TO SEE HOW THIS SALES TAX BOOM THAT WE'RE EXPECTING.

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ALL WE ARE DOING FOR THE BUDGET WORKSHOP IS PRESENTING YOU ALL WITH A FLAT BUDGET AND WHAT WE CAN EXPECT WITH NO INCREASES IN SALES TAX JUST SO WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF DIRECTION ON HOW YOU'D LIKE US TO PROCEED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. CHARLYN GOOD QUESTION. OKAY.

COMMISSION. DO WE WANT TO ACT ON ANYTHING THIS EVENING? OK, WELL, WELL, I THINK ACTUALLY BOTH REPRESENT IT VERY WELL.

AND SO I GUESS IF WE'RE HERE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHICH ONE WE'RE GOING TO CHOOSE, I GUESS AS LONG AS THE BOTH PRESENTERS KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A WASTE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PUT THIS INTO ACTION, BECAUSE IT MAY BE AN ISSUE WITH WHOEVER WE CHOOSE.

SO I THINK IT'S OKAY WITH THOSE GUYS AND I'M FINE WITH JUST ACTING ON IT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE.

SO I GUESS WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT'S ONE IS RECOMMENDING FROM YOU GUYS? I MEAN, GO WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL, BUT WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION? YES, SIR.

SO DO YOU WANT A MOTION? WAS YOUR YOU TALK ABOUT A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE SELECTION? WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

CORRECT. YES. SO SO DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY WHO I HAVE IN THIS MOTION, WHO WE WHO MY CHOICE IS ON THE SELECTION AND THEN WE VOTE ON THAT.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SELECT THE BURDITT COMPANY FOR THE VETERANS PARK RENOVATION.

I HAVE A MOTION DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, HAVE A SECOND BY MS. ROGERS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANYTHING THAT BEFORE ANY DOLLARS ARE SPENT, IT COMES BACK TO ABLC.

OH, ABSOLUTELY. THERE IS NO FUNDS ATTACHED TO THIS MOTION CURRENTLY, WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED FUNDING.

I DON'T WANT US TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEN Y'ALL COME AND FIND MONEY AND THEN START THE PROJECT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMING BACK TO THE ABLC BEFORE ANYTHING.

AND YOU HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT, RIGHT? JUST MAKING SURE. IS ARE WE AS EVERYONE VOTING ON THIS, ABLC AND PARKS OR HOW ARE WE DOING THIS? IS THIS A JOINT MEETING WHERE WE ALL VOTE OR JUST ARE WE DOING THIS SEPARATELY LIKE CAN PARKS HAVE AN IDEA AND THEN ABLC HAS A DIFFERENT ONE.

HOW DOES THIS WORKING? SO PARKS, IT REALLY ULTIMATELY COMES DOWN TO HOW THIS IS FUNDED AT THE END OF THE DAY, BECAUSE IF IT'S FUNDED BY ABLC THEY CAN TAKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM PARKS. HOWEVER, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FUNDING IS GOING TO COME FROM.

SO IF GENERAL FUND, IF ABLC SAYS NO, I'M NOT GOING TO FUND IT NEXT YEAR AND WE PUT IT IN THE CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR GENERAL FUND UNDER PARKS, THEN IT WOULD BE UNDER THE PARKS BOARD.

I'M SAYING MORE LIKE WE JUST HAD A MOTION AND WE JUST HAD A SECOND WHO IS VOTING ON THIS MOTION? ABLC, GOT IT.

GOOD QUESTION I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING IN TANDEM HERE.

WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE.

WHY DID YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICE? JUST THE PRESENTATION.

THEY BOTH WERE GOOD. THEY BOTH HAD GOOD POINTS.

BAD POINTS? NOT BAD. THEY BOTH HAD GOOD POINTS.

MORE I COULD HAVE GONE WITH EITHER ONE, BUT I HAVE FAMILIARITY WITH BURDITT.

WE DID THE WHOLE FREEDOM PARK PLAN FOR THAT LONG PERIOD OF TIME, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND THEN JUST THEY'RE WORKING NEXT DOOR.

THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

THAT WAS ENOUGH TO TIP THE SCALE.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN FINE WITH EITHER ONE, BUT IT WAS JUST MY FAMILIARITY WORKING WITH CHARLES AND CLAUDIA ON THE OTHER TEAM.

AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE.

JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE SEE, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD THE EVALUATORS ONE THROUGH FOUR DID EVALUATION SCORING, AND BURDITT WAS 93.5 ON THEIR AVERAGE.

AND KIMLEY HORN WAS 90.

SO IT WAS JUST A 3.5% POINT DIFFERENCE.

VERY CLOSE IN THE SCALE IN SCORING.

I'M NOT SURE WHO THE EVALUATORS WERE, BUT THERE WERE SOME EVALUATORS.

OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN, THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YALL.

OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PARKS AND REC STANDARDS MANUAL THAT IS AT 60% COMPLETION.

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SO WE ARE GOING TO TRANSITION PULL UP ANOTHER PRESENTATION FOR YOU TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE ON OUR PARK STANDARDS MANUAL.

AND JEFF IS GOING TO COME UP HERE WITH KIMLEY HORN TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. BEFORE WE GET STARTED AS WELL.

I HAVE HARD COPIES THAT I'LL PASS OUT THAT WE CAN REFERENCE AS I GO THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION HERE.

I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COPY.

WE CAN SHARE IT RIGHT HERE.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

READY. I'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER MINUTE.

THERE WE GO NOW I THINK WE'RE READY.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

[2. Discussion and possible action on the Parks & Recreation Standards Manual that is at sixty percenty completion.]

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH KIMLEY HORN ASSOCIATES.

MY COLLEAGUE TREVOR [INAUDIBLE] WHO HAS ASSISTED THROUGHOUT THE PRODUCTION OF THIS PROJECT, IS OUT SICK TODAY.

SO UNFORTUNATELY HE WASN'T ABLE TO JOIN US TODAY.

BUT WE CAN I CAN LEAD OFF WITH WITH OUR PRESENTATION HERE.

WE'RE TREMENDOUSLY EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS DRAFT DOCUMENT OF OUR PARK STANDARDS MANUAL, NOT ONLY BECAUSE THIS IS MORE THAN A DOCUMENT OF IDENTIFYING CERTAIN PRODUCTS THAT WILL START BEING IMPLEMENTED OVER TIME AND REINFORCE THE BRANDING OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

BUT THIS IS REALLY A DOCUMENT THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE A LEGACY AND LEAVE A STATEMENT THAT THAT BRINGS A HIGH LEVEL QUALITY TO THE CITY.

SO IT'S TREMENDOUSLY EXCITING TO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN START FORMULATING THAT VISION WITH.

SO WHAT? IT'S NOT WORKING THIS TIME.

THE. THERE WE GO.

SO THE PRESENTATION I HAVE IS IS NOT VERY EXTENSIVE, BUT I WANT TO HIT SOME IMPORTANT HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT IT ENCOMPASSES THIS DOCUMENT.

GIVE A TIMELINE OF HOW WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT THE VALUES ESTABLISHED WITH A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS.

AND WE'LL WALK THROUGH ADDITIONALLY HOW TO OPERATE THIS DOCUMENT IN A PRINT AND DIGITAL FORMAT. SO THIS PROJECT STARTED IN THE END OF 2021 WHERE WE AND WHEN I SAY WE, I MEAN KIMLEY HORN AND THE CITY STAFF OF ANGLETON TOOK A VERY LONG, EXTENSIVE EVALUATION PHASE WHERE WE IDENTIFIED THE NUMBER OF STANDARDS NEEDED IN A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE APPLICABLE FOR THE CITY AND WHAT THEY WANTED TO IMPLEMENT INTO THIS DOCUMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

AND WE, WE EVALUATED DIFFERENT STANDARD DOCUMENTS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET A BREADTH OF IDEAS AND OPTIONS THAT WENT INTO THIS DOCUMENT.

AND WE WE FILTERED IT DOWN TO THE STANDARDS IDENTIFIED TODAY THAT WE FELT APPLICABLE FOR WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THE CITY.

WE WENT THROUGH NUMEROUS ITERATIONS WITH THE CITY WORKING ON THE CORRECT FORMATTING TO HAVE TO COMPILE THE CONTENT NEEDED FOR THIS DOCUMENT DESIGN TO MATCH THE STANDARDS.

AND A LOT OF THE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT ARE EXISTING WITHIN THE CITY AS WELL AS CERTAIN VERBIAGE, ITEMS NEEDED TO BE INCORPORATED SUCH AS THE MINIMUM PARK STANDARD GUIDELINES AND AS WELL AS IMAGERY.

AND WE'RE WE ARE HITTING CERTAIN BENCHMARKS FOR TODAY.

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AND TODAY WE'RE AT THE 60% LEVEL.

AND THEN COME APRIL WE'LL RETURN AND PRESENT THE 90% LEVEL.

SO THEN WE CAN HAVE 100% DOCUMENT BY THE END OF APRIL.

BUT BRIEFLY, I WANT TO JUST TOUCH ON WHAT THE PRIMARY VALUES OF THIS DOCUMENT MEANS.

IT THIS DOCUMENT IS ABLE TO CONTINUE THE BRANDING AND CONTINUE THE QUALITY OF PLACE AND PLACEMAKING THAT THE CITY IS ESTABLISHING THROUGH THEIR EXTENSIVE EFFORTS.

AND THIS DOCUMENT CAN REALLY REINFORCE THAT WITH A UNIFORM LOOK, UNIFORM MATERIALS AND PRODUCTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT ARE NOT ONLY ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BUT ROBUST AND HAVE QUALITY AND HAVE LONGEVITY SO THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THE ASSOCIATED MONEY NEEDED FOR THESE STANDARDS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF DIFFERENT PARK PROJECTS.

NOT ONLY DOES THAT ESTABLISH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CITY AND BUILDING THAT QUALITY, BUT FROM AN OPERATIONS POINT, THIS DOCUMENT CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVE OF COMMUNICATING WITH DESIGN CONSULTANTS, CONTRACTORS.

IT'S A IT'S AN EASY GO TO DOCUMENT.

THAT IS, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A CERTAIN PARK OR A CERTAIN PLAZA AS PART OF WHATEVER YOUR DEVELOPMENT MAY BE, YOU CAN REFERENCE THIS DOCUMENT AND IT'S A GOOD STARTER PLACE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO BE EXPECTED IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE AVENUES OF ESTABLISHING SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS.

IN THE SENSE OF MAINTENANCE AND COST EFFECTIVENESS.

IF SOMETHING WERE TO BREAK OR BE DAMAGED, MAINTENANCE IS EASY.

IT'S AN EASY SWAP.

AND THEN EFFECTIVELY CITY STAFF CAN BUY SOME OF THESE ITEMS IN BULK AT A LOWER RATE AND SO THEN AND HAVE THEM IN STORAGE.

SO THEN IF THERE'S THESE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMETHING'S DAMAGED AND NEEDS TO REPLACE IT, IT CAN HAPPEN SEAMLESSLY AND YOU'RE NOT LOSING THAT QUALITY THAT HAS BEEN INTENTIONAL THROUGHOUT THE PARKS AND THE CITY.

SO AS I DIVE INTO THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT ITSELF, WHERE WE'VE LANDED, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT EVALUATION PHASE AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO 63 TOTAL STANDARDS AS OF TODAY, COVERING A VARIETY OF TOPICS DIVIDED INTO 11 SECTIONS.

WE'RE COVERING DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKS BETWEEN SIGNATURE AND METRO PARKS, WHICH ARE VARYING IN SIZE AND AMENITIES DOWN TO URBAN PLAZAS OR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, WHICH MAY HAVE PLAYGROUNDS OR OTHER UNIQUE ELEMENTS SPECIFIC TO THOSE PLACES, LIKE AN AMPHITHEATER THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH VETERANS PARK.

BUT ALSO THERE'S THE ELEMENTS OF SITE FURNISHINGS, PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES, THE COMPONENTS NEEDED FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS AND WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE IN REGARDS TO DESIGN MATERIAL CONSTRUCTION. IT'S A IT'S A GUIDED, REFINED PLAYBOOK FOR WHAT A LOT OF THESE COMPONENTS MAY NEED TO STREAMLINE THAT DESIGN, REVIEW AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE IN THE DOCUMENT, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE HARD COPY, THE DIGITAL COPY. THAT WAS PART OF THE AGENDA ON THE SCREEN.

SOME OF THE STANDARDS ARE GRAYED OUT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE WE HAVE AT OUR 60% LEVEL, 49 OF THE 63 STANDARDS IMPLEMENTED WITH CONTENT.

AND THOSE GRAYED OUT COMPONENTS OR GRAYED OUT STANDARDS WERE INTENTIONAL FOR THIS DOCUMENT. AND I'LL TOUCH ON WHY IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THE USE OF THE DIGITAL VERSION.

BUT LET ME TALK FIRST ABOUT THE PRINT VERSION, THE ONES THAT I'VE PASSED OUT.

THERE WAS AN INTENTION.

THERE'S AN INTENTIONAL DESIGN STANDARD OF WHAT WE WERE THE WAY WE WERE LAYING OUT THIS DOCUMENT. WHEN YOU FLIP THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, THE PRIMARY SHEET IS GOING TO BE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

AND THAT'S GOING TO. THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE MAJORITY OF THE THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION OF WHAT THESE STANDARDS ARE, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THESE ARE LIFE EXPECTANCIES, MATERIALITY, FINISHES, COLORS, THOSE SORT OF THOSE SORT OF ELEMENTS AND ANY ADDITIONAL FEATURES THAT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO THAT.

WHEN YOU FLIP THE PAGE, THE FOLLOWING SHEET THAT WOULD BE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS GOING TO BE ANY ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL IMAGERY DETAILING AND SPECIFICATIONS TO THAT STANDARD.

SO THEN IN THE PRINT VERSION, IF A SHEET WERE EVER TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE FULL DOCUMENT. ON THE EXAMPLE HERE, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE ON ONE PAGE, A DOUBLE SIDED SHEET, YOU HAVE ALL OF THE TEXT INFORMATION ON ONE SIDE.

ON THE BACK SIDE, YOU HAVE ALL THE DETAIL INFORMATION.

SO THERE'S NOT MULTIPLE SHEETS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE GOING TO LOOK FOR.

ALL THE INFORMATION CAN BE PROVIDED ON ONE SHEET OF PAPER, AND THAT'S FOR EASE OF

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SO THE INTENTION WAS THE AND THIS LEADS TO THE POINT OF WHY SOME OF THE STANDARDS ARE GRAYED OUT AT THIS POINT.

THERE'S A CONVENIENCE OF ACCESSING THIS INFORMATION IN THE DIGITAL VERSION.

SO AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, EACH STANDARD IS CLICKABLE AND LINKED TO ITS STANDARD SHEET.

SO IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THIS PDF DOCUMENT, YOU COULD CLICK ON, GO TO SECTION THREE AND SEE CHAIN LINK FENCE AND CLICK CHAIN LINK FENCE, AND IT WILL JUMP IMMEDIATELY TO THE CHAIN LINK PAGE, THE PRIMARY PAGE WITH THE MAJORITY OF TEXT INFORMATION.

IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS NOW YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR THE PLAYGROUND SECTION. EACH PAGE HAS A SMALL LITTLE HOME ICON IN THE CORNER.

YOU CAN CLICK THAT AND IT'LL TAKE YOU DIRECTLY BACK TO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.

SO FOR VIEW, FOR REVIEW PURPOSES ON A CITY SIDE, AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO REFINE THIS DOCUMENT, GRAYING OUT SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT DON'T HAVE INFORMATION JUST YET, IT STREAMLINES THE REVIEW PROCESS AS COME OUR 90%, ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS WILL BE BLACK AND WE'LL HAVE ALL OF OUR CONTENT INCLUDED.

BUT FOR REVIEW PURPOSES THAT WAS STREAMLINED TO HAVE IT GRAYED.

BUT FOR LIVE USE OF THIS DOCUMENT, IT'S EASY TO CLICK THE STANDARDS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND GO RIGHT TO THE INFORMATION YOU NEED.

TO CONCLUDE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THIS DOCUMENT TONIGHT.

WE'RE TAKING INPUT, WE'RE TAKING COMMENTS AND PERSPECTIVE FROM THE BOARD.

AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT INFORMATION IS THE ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH ALREADY OF TAKING GETTING TO A 30% LEVEL, TAKING COMMENTS, INCORPORATING THEM TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

SO ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE INCORPORATED TO OUR 90% LEVEL.

CITY STAFF IS TASKED WITH HAVING THEIR COMMENTS BY MARCH 24TH, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE'LL HAVE TWO WEEKS TO ELEVATE THIS DOCUMENT TO A 90% LEVEL TO HAVE IT SUBMITTED TO BE BACK HERE ON APRIL 18TH TO PRESENT THE 90% DOCUMENT FOR ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR PERSPECTIVES OR CONSIDERATIONS ANYONE MAY HAVE THAT WE CAN CONCLUDE TO OUR 100% VERSION, WHICH WILL BE AT THE END OF APRIL.

I'LL JUST LEAVE THIS AS WELL.

THE EXCITING THING ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT IS THAT THIS IS A DRAFT AT THIS POINT AND WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING IT OVER THE COMING WEEKS.

BUT BEYOND THAT FINAL 100% DOCUMENT, THIS IS WILL CONTINUOUSLY BE A LIVING DOCUMENT OF STANDARDS AS TECHNOLOGIES EVOLVE, AS MATERIAL PREFERENCES CHANGE OR CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES CHANGE.

THIS DOCUMENT CAN BE A LIVING DOCUMENT AND INCORPORATE THOSE NEW VERSIONS, THOSE NEW IDEAS CONTINUING FORWARD, AND IT WILL BE CITY OWNED TO OPERATE AND UPDATE THOSE INTO THE FUTURE. SO ALTHOUGH WE'RE SPRINTING HERE TO 100% LEVEL MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE KIND OF A AN EVOLVING DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO THE NEEDS OF THE CITY.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, SIR. I HAVE ONE.

GO AHEAD, SIR. ONE I SAW THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS LOOKING OVER IT ON YOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKS, FOR INSTANCE, METRO PARK, YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] FREEDOM AND BATES PARK.

IS THAT A FIXED NUMBER TO OR IS THAT ARBITRARY THE ACREAGE SIZE? IS IT, FOR INSTANCE, [INAUDIBLE] THERE MAY BE 50 ACRES IN THERE, BUT HALF OF IT IS UNUSABLE. IT'S MOUNDS FROM WHERE THAT WAS AN OLD DUMP SITE.

AND WOULD YOU NORMALLY INCLUDE THAT IF WE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT LIKE THAT, IF THERE IS UNUSABLE PROPERTY, NOT NOW, DON'T TALK ABOUT DETENTION PONDS BECAUSE THOSE HAVE SOME USE BUT SOMETHING LIKE AT [INAUDIBLE] WOULD WOULD YOU ONLY USE A NET ACRES THAT IS REALLY A PARK OR WOULD YOU IN THIS CASE USE THE WHOLE THING? WELL, I THINK IT CAN IT COULD BE USED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR SOMETHING THAT BECAUSE FOR SPACE THAT MAY BE DEEMED UNUSABLE, IS THERE STILL AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SIGHTSEEING OF NATURE? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAILS AROUND THE AREA IF IT'S TRULY UNUSABLE, COMPLETELY FENCED OFF? I THINK A NET PRACTICE WOULD BE MORE APPLICABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT AREAS OF LESS DESIRABLE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE ALTERNATIVE IDEAS THAT COULD BE USED.

PRIMARILY THE ACREAGE CALCULATION IS INTENDED FOR THE I UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THESE LARGER PARKS ARE INTENDED FOR SOME OF THE LARGER PROGRAMS NEEDED, SUCH AS SOCCER FIELDS OR BASEBALL FIELDS WHO NEED THOSE LARGE AREAS.

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OKAY. AND I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MEGAN.

WHAT IS A WHERE IS THE THE PART THE DETENTION FOR WESTERN AVENUE IS WESTERN AVENUE DETENTION AREA. I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

YEAH, IT'S UNDER UNDEVELOPED PARKS AND I DIDN'T I SAW IT LISTED, BUT I JUST FIGURED YOU PROBABLY GOT THAT FROM SOMEWHERE.

YES. SO THAT WAS IN OUR INVENTORY WHEN I CAME ON BOARD AND I BELIEVE IT WAS WHEN I MIGHT BE WRONG WITH THE NAME RANDY ANDERSON WAS CONSOLIDATING CITY OWNED LOTS AROUND DETENTION AND SO I KNOW THERE'S ONE OFF OF I DON'T THINK IT'S THE WESTERN AVENUE ONE BUT THERE'S A THERE IS ANOTHER ONE.

MAYBE THEY ARE SYNONYMOUS, BUT IT'S A DETENTION AREA ONE THAT I WAS THINKING OF, AND THOSE I UNDERSTAND BUT I JUST WHEN I SAW WESTERN AVENUE DETENTION. THERE'S NOT A DETENTION AROUND WESTERN AVENUE.

I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND SEE WHY THAT'S IN OUR INVENTORY.

OH, IS THE WESTERN I'M SORRY, I'M GEOGRAPHICALLY IS THAT BACKING UP TO.

SO THAT IS WHERE OUR LIFT STATION IS.

IT IS ACTUALLY PARKLAND.

IT IS. SO IT'S RIGHT IN BETWEEN TWO SUBDIVISIONS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I'VE TALKED TO.

WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES.

WELL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FENCING IT.

WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS FOR THE LIFT STATION, BUT THAT IS A DEDICATED PARK.

YES, THEY CALL IT A DETENTION AREA IN HERE.

I'M SORRY. WE'LL CORRECT THAT.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? AND SO, MEGAN, WE HAVE UNTIL THE 24TH ONCE WE LOOK AT THIS TO GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK.

GO AHEAD, MS. CHARLYN. SOMEWHERE IN HERE, JEFF, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S DESCRIBED AS LINEAR. OR WAS THAT IN THE OTHER PROPOSAL, A LINEAR PARK, LINEAR PARK? YES. IS THAT IN HERE? YES. OKAY. WHAT'S WHAT'S A LINEAR PARK? A LINEAR PARK IS TRADITIONALLY A MORE NARROW KIND OF PARCEL OF LAND, OFTENTIMES DEEMED AS GREENWAYS OR TRAILWAYS.

TYPICALLY, YOU RECOGNIZE THEM AS TRANSPORTATION CONNECTORS THROUGH CITIES OR COUNTIES, WATERFRONTS, CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS AS LINEAR PARKS AS WELL.

RATHER THAN HAVING A LARGER PARCEL OF LAND, IT'S JUST KIND OF A NARROWER STRIP, A WALKWAY OR A A IT COULD BE A NARROW PLACE, RIGHT? YEAH, IT COULD BE AS NARROW AS 40 TO 50 FEET OR AS WIDE AS 300 FEET, JUST DEPENDING ON KIND OF THE CONTEXT AND THE APPLICATION AND THE PROGRAMS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

SO IF WE DID THE CONNECT ABILITY AND CONNECTED, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT FREEDOM PARK, CONNECTING IT AROUND THE BACK WAY AND THEN SO YOU COULD GET OVER TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? OKAY.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT.

THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

IF IT'S A TRAIL SYSTEM, A BATHROOM, MAYBE, MAYBE NEEDED.

BUT TYPICALLY, IT WOULDN'T HAVE LARGER STRUCTURES.

OKAY. CHRIS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU.

YOU STARTED. YOU STOPPED ME? YEAH. NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK IT WAS ME.

THE MANUAL COPY.

I ALSO HAVE THE ELECTRONIC COPY, SO IT'S EASY TO USE.

SO THANKS FOR THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REAL HELPFUL WHEN IT'LL BE USED FOR DEVELOPERS TOO, IF THEY DO THEIR OWN PARK RATHER THAN THE OLD STANDARDS.

WE REALLY DIDN'T. WEREN'T MUCH.

I SEE A BIG PLUS TO IT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

I HAVE A QUESTION, WHOSE GOING TO MAINTAIN THIS? WILL YOU REPEAT THAT SO PEOPLE ONLINE CAN HEAR YOU ALSO? JUST ASKING WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO MAINTAIN THE PARK STANDARD AFTER YOU KNOW IT'S OFFICIAL? IT WILL BE STAFF.

SO ONE OF THE REASONS JEFF DID MENTION WHAT HE DID, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.

WE ASKED THAT BEFORE APPROVING THE FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT THAT WE BE ABLE TO UPDATE IT AS NEEDED. AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO AND WE ALSO CHANGED THE NAME JUST A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IF

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I FORGOT IT. HANG ON.

YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD, CLAIRE HOLD THE MICROPHONE AND THINK ABOUT IT WHILE I ASK A QUESTION. SO ONCE WE ADOPT THIS, THE JUST TRYING TO THINK HOW THIS NORMALLY GOES, THIS PROCESS WE ADOPT, THIS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ON THE GROUND IS SUBSTANDARD AT THAT POINT, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR YOU, BUT LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED, THIS ACTUALLY CAME UP, I BELIEVE, IN THE PAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WE HAVE PUT ALL OF OUR PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR PARKS IN THE CIP PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE SUBSTANDARD COMPONENTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM.

WE'VE TAKEN MANY OF THEM OUT AS IT RELATED TO LACK OF ADA ACCESSIBILITY.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE NEW STANDARDS, YOU'LL SEE EVEN JUST RECENTLY, DICKIE PARK, WE HAVE INSTALLED OUR STANDARD PARK BENCHES.

AND SO THOSE WILL AS THESE PROJECTS ARE FUNDED AND AS FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, WE WILL BEGIN REPLACING THESE ITEMS. SO WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S BROKEN PICNIC TABLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH THE SAME PICNIC TABLE.

IT WILL BE TOO STANDARD.

I'M REFERRING TO THINGS LIKE A SOFT FENCING WAS IN HERE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS WE ADOPT THIS AND THEN IN THE NEXT BUDGET, WELL, THE ALL THE FIELDS ARE SUBSTANDARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE OLD FENCING.

AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE ALL THIS TO MAKE IT SHINY AND NEW LIKE WHAT WE WHAT WE JUST ADOPTED. I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU ASK THE CITIZENS HERE, A LOT OF THEM WILL TELL YOU THE PARKS WE HAVE ARE GREAT.

THEY WANT TO SEE IMPROVEMENTS IN PROGRAMING AND ABILITY.

BUT I THINK THEY WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE.

THEY JUST WANT TO BUILD ON IT, NOT TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD SOMETHING ELSE THERE.

SURE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS LIKE WE MENTIONED THIS EVENING THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRIORITY.

SO WHEN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE HAVE GOT ALL THE PARKS THAT WE WANT, WE HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT WE WANT ON OUR PARK SYSTEM.

THEN WE CAN CYCLE BACK AND SAY, OKAY, NOW LET'S START ADDRESSING THIS PROJECT, WHETHER IT BE FENCING OR PICNIC TABLES OR BENCHES OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE GRADUAL CHANGES AS SOME OF THESE UPGRADES ARE DONE, WHETHER IT'S TO I'LL SAY SOUTH SIDE PARK IS A NEW PARK, BUT VETERAN'S PARK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN REFLECT ON AND USE SO THAT WE KNOW ALREADY.

YOU KNOW, IF IF WE CALL FOR PARK BENCHES OR PICNIC TABLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE AT THIS NEW VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, WE'LL KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

WE'LL KNOW THE COST ASSOCIATED.

AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, IT JUST HELPS SIGNIFICANTLY WITH MAINTENANCE AND TO HAVE ALL OF THESE MATERIALS ON HAND.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOME OF THESE RESOURCES WON'T CHANGE OVER TIME.

WE MAY HAVE TO ADAPT IF A MANUFACTURER IS NO LONGER CARRYING X BENCH.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT WE HAVE THIS AS A LIVING DOCUMENT.

WE HAVE IN FREEDOM PARK THE GREGG DYKES MEMORIAL BENCH IS A SLATTED BENCH RIGHT ACROSS.

YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S THE WELDED, YOU KNOW, THE COATED WIRE BENCH.

AND IF WE HAD A STANDARD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE MULTIPLE TYPES OF BENCHES IN THE SAME PARK.

I MEAN, MAYBE. BUT IT SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? IT DOES, BUT IT MAKES IT EASY.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS DEVELOPERS, IF WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ANY OF THESE GUYS COMING IN AND PUTTING IN A PARK, THAT HAS TO BE IF THEY WANT CREDIT FOR THAT, THEY NEED TO BUILD.

I LIKE THAT IDEA. I LIKE THE FACT THAT.

THAT WAS A GOOD POINT.

YEAH, WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

IS THAT THE EXPECTATION? IS IT JUST A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY FOLLOW THE STANDARD OR THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STANDARD? THE STANDARD IS THE STANDARD.

YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT UP TO INTERPRETATION AND END UP WITH A PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE FROM HOME DEPOT THAT.

IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT.

EXACTLY. BUT THEN LET'S JUST SAY YOU DECIDE THAT THE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE IS NOT SAFE ENOUGH AND THE MATERIAL UNDERNEATH HAS TO BE CHANGED AND IT CAN'T JUST BE THE MULCH CLIPPINGS OR WHATEVER.

WILL YOU EXPECT THE DEVELOPERS TO CHANGE TO YOUR STANDARD? JUST LIKE YOU'RE ASKING.

IS THERE AN EXPECTATION ON TIMING, ON HOW LONG, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO COMPLY? SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED THAT WITHIN THE NEW PARK LAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE.

SO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE MINIMUM PARK STANDARDS, WHICH IS IN THE APPENDIX AND WE WILL HAVE A DOCUMENT AGAIN, THIS DOCUMENT TO PROVIDE THEM.

OK WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN MORE DETAIL? AS FAR AS TIMING, I'D HAVE TO GO.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE STIPULATED THAT IN THE PARK LAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY,

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IF THEY DON'T, THEN THE CITY WOULD TAKE OVER THE COMPONENT.

THAT'S WHY WE WANT IT BUILT TO OUR STANDARD.

THAT'S ALSO WHY WE SPECIFIED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ACRES IS BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T MAINTAIN IT TO THE STANDARD, THEN THE CITY WOULD ABSORB THAT TO ENSURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACTUAL FUNCTIONING PLAYGROUND AMENITY.

TOUCHING ON WHAT JOHN SAID, IF, SAY, AT FREEDOM PARK, ONE OF THE OUTFIELD FENCE IS IN DISREPAIR AND WE REPLACE IT, WOULD WE REPLACE JUST THAT ONE WITH THE NEW GUIDANCE, WITH SOME RUBBER COATED FENCE OR WOULD WE BE FORCED TO REPLACE ALL OF THEM SO THEY LOOK THE SAME WITHOUT THE RUBBER? I WOULD SAY IT REALLY DEPENDS ON FUNDING.

I MEAN, INITIALLY MY RESPONSE, I'M GOING TO SAY WE WOULD REPLACE WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. OKAY.

THAT WOULD BE GOING AGAINST THE STANDARD.

NO, IT WOULD BE.

WE WOULD.

IT WOULD. YOU ONLY REPLACE WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

I MEAN, I DON'T CHANGE OUT ALL MY TOILETS BECAUSE ONE OF THEM IS BROKE.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE STANDARD IS, LET'S SAY BLACK IN A DIFFERENT GAUGE AND THAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE IS NOT THE STANDARD NOW.

RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GOING AGAINST THE STANDARD REPLACING THAT AREA.

BUT IT'S NOT, NOT USABLE.

THE EXAMPLE WAS SOMETHING HAS GOTTEN DAMAGED.

YEAH. SO SAY THE OUTFIELD FENCE AT FREEDOM PARK.

IS NOW DAMAGED. YES.

YEAH. YEAH. THE REST OF IT, IT'S ALL THE SAME.

BUT SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK WITH THE OLD ONE? NO. YOU CAN REPLACE THE DAMAGED WITH THE NEW STANDARD, BUT NOT FOR ALL THE FIELDS.

BUT YOU WOULD ONLY. SO YOU'D HAVE TO RIP OUT ALL THE REST OF IT THAT'S GOOD AROUND THAT ONE FIELD. GOOD POINT.

LET'S SAY THE OUTFIELD.

I MEAN, BUT YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO MAKE SURE.

DO IT BUT WE DEAL WITH THAT ALL THE TIME.

WHAT DO WE REPAIR? WE REPAIR WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED.

AND IF YOUR SHEETROCK, YOU CAN'T GET THE ONE LITTLE SPOT WHERE SOMEBODY HIT IT, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE SECTION.

CORRECT. BUT I DON'T THINK THE INTENT HERE IS TO SAY WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRETY OF THE ENTIRE BALL FIELD.

IF THE CAR RAN THROUGH IT WAS A LITTLE TRUCK AND WE GOT THE OUTFIELD FENCE DONE.

BUT HOPEFULLY REASONABLE MINDS WILL PREVAIL.

AND I DO THINK, JUST LIKE WHAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS ALL GOING TO DEPEND ON FUNDING. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT IF WE'RE ONLY GIVEN 5,000 DOLLARS TO REPLACE IT.

SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO TO ADD TO THAT. ADDITIONALLY, WITHIN MANY OF THESE STANDARDS, WE'VE ADDED LANGUAGE ABOUT ALONG THE LINES OF AS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO THAT GIVES A LOT OF CONTROL ON THE CITY SIDE THAT IF THERE IS THESE SORT OF SITUATIONS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE EVALUATED AS WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE, THERE'S TIME FOR THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS APPLICABLE FROM A BUDGET SIDE, FOR A PRACTICALITY SIDE AND FOR A CONSTRUCTION SIDE. AS MATERIAL PRICES INCREASE THESE DAYS, WE'RE MAINTAINING THIS CONTROL TO AVOID SITUATIONS WHERE IT INFLATES COSTS OF REPLACEMENT.

OKAY JUST 90% UNTIL IT'S 100%.

THE STANDARD DOESN'T ALSO SAY EVERYTHING MUST FROM THIS POINT ON BE AT THIS STANDARD IT IS GOING TO BE LIKE PROJECT NUMBER ONE, IT'S ALREADY ON PROJECT NUMBER TWO IT'S ALREADY UP AND THEN A GRADUAL PROCESS OF GETTING EVERYTHING TO STANDARD OR ONCE THIS IS DONE, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY START MAKING EVERYTHING TO A STANDARD, RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE] IT'S GOING TO BE A GRADUAL THING AND NOT NECESSARILY LIKE WE APPROVED IT AND NOW WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING TO THAT LEVEL.

I THINK IT'D BE MORE AS NEEDED.

RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE SOME OBSOLETE SOMETHING THAT LIKE SHE GOES INTO PARKS LIKE IN DICKEY PARK, ELSEWHERE WE BRING IN A NEW PLAYGROUND AND YOU PUT IN A NEW PLAYGROUND THAT'S COMPLIANT.

TO THE STANDARD.

BUT THE OTHER PLAYGROUND IS PROBABLY FINE.

BUT YOU DON'T TOUCH IT.

RIGHT. UNTIL IT NEEDS REPAIR.

THE STANDARD THAT WE CREATED FOR.

RIGHT. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT, MEGAN? OKAY. LAST QUESTION.

SO THE STANDARDS THAT ARE THE STANDARD.

HOW IS THAT? WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE STANDARD? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU LOOK AT FROM JUST DIFFERENT CITIES AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING? DID YOU GET YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

GIVE ME AN EXPLANATION OF THAT SO I UNDERSTAND IT.

SURE. NO. THE STANDARD IS IT DEPENDS PER STANDARD, FRANKLY.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FENCING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MATERIALITY THAT LASTS, GETTING IT

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SOUTHEAST TEXAS.

SO CLIMATE REGION.

YES, THERE'S A SCIENCE TO THIS.

YES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FLAGPOLE STANDARD HAS A LINE ITEM OF IDENTIFYING IT NEEDS TO SUSTAIN 110 MILE PER HOUR WINDS FOR HURRICANE APPLICABILITY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAYGROUND STANDARDS, IT TALKS ABOUT COMPLIANCE TO HIC AND GMAX SCORING AND HAS TO BE COMPLIANT TO ALL OTHER ASTM 1487 1292 NATIONAL STANDARDS TO THESE COMPLIANCE.

SO IT'S BEEN A MIXTURE OF PER THE STANDARD, WHAT ARE THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS, WHAT ARE THE APPLICABLE CONDITIONS FOR THE REGION AND WHAT ARE ROBUST MATERIALS, AESTHETIC PRODUCTS THAT WILL LAST HERE? SO WE'RE NOT SPECIFYING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DAMAGED JUST ON ITS OWN CONDITION IN FIVE YEARS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL.

IT MAKES SENSE. IT SEEMS LIKE WITH ANY INDUSTRY STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS UPON THE MATERIAL, DEPENDS UPON WHAT PRODUCT.

SO THEY VARY ACROSS INDUSTRY ANYWAY.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS EFFECTIVE BEING A LIVING DOCUMENT, BECAUSE IF NEW PRACTICES OR NEW SCIENCE COME ABOUT, THAT CHANGES.

BEFORE WE USED TO USE X MATERIAL, BUT NOW WE REALIZE WE CAN DO Y MATERIAL BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER, IT'S MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, IT'S MORE AVAILABLE.

WE CAN MAKE A REVISION TO THIS DOCUMENT AND START SPECIFYING THAT AS A STANDARD.

AS TIMES CHANGE.

AND I NOTICED YOU GIVE OPTIONS ON TRAILS, IT COULD BE A TEN FOOT WIDE CONCRETE.

IT COULD BE CRUSHED GRANITE.

IT COULD BE AT SIX FOOT WIDE FOR VARIOUS PURPOSES, WHICH IT'S NOT ALL RIGID ALL HAS TO BE TEN FEET, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE IN A NATURE TRAIL, YOU MAY NOT WANT CONCRETE AND.

EXACTLY. SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO THAT KIND OF SEGUES INTO WHAT MR. CO-CHAIR JUST SAID.

I SEE LIKE UNDER THE CRUSHED STONE TRAIL, IT SAYS IT'S A TEN FOOT STANDARD, BUT A SIX FOOT MINIMUM.

SO IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THEY WANT THIS TRAIL THROUGH THEIR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PUT A WALKING TRAIL FOR EXERCISE.

WHO DECIDES WHO'S GOING TO BE A SIX? WHO'S GOING TO BE THE TEN OR IS THEIR CRITERIA? I HAVEN'T READ IT ALL, SO I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IS THERE A CRITERIA THAT SAYS WHAT HAS TO BE THE MINIMUM AND WHAT HAS TO BE THE STANDARD? BUT TO ME THEY MEAN THE SAME.

SO I'LL SPEAK TO THAT.

WE DO HAVE IN OUR MINIMUM PARK STANDARD CRITERIA AND OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE, WHICH IS REFLECTIVE OF LAKESIDE PARK DESIGN THAT OUR PRIMARY LOOP TRAILS OR ANY PRIMARY LOOP TRAILS. TAKE FREEDOM PARK, FOR INSTANCE, WITH CRUSHED GRANITE THAT THE PRIMARY LOOP TRAIL IS TO BE TEN FEET.

ANY SECONDARY TRAILS, OFFSHOOTS OF THAT PRIMARY CAN BE SIX.

AND THEN ANY OF THE SIDEWALKS ALONG STREETSCAPES OR THE ROADWAY ARE FOUR, WHICH MAY CHANGE BASED OFF OF ADA AND TRAFFIC STANDARDS.

SO.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS SO DOES FREEDOM PARK MEET THE STANDARD? IT DOES. IT'S TEN FEET.

IT IS TEN FEET OKAY I DIDN'T KNOW.

OKAY. SO THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS AND THIS IS KIND OF A JUST SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR CURRENT PARKS THAT DON'T BELONG TO US, THAT MAY BELONG IN A SUBDIVISION, MAYBE [INAUDIBLE], HERITAGE PARK, RANCHO, AT WHAT POINT DO THEY FALL INTO THIS STANDARD IF THEY'RE NOT IN THAT STANDARD? IF IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TODAY AND IT'S GOING TO LAST ANOTHER 15 YEARS, DO WE GO IN AND POLICE THEM AND SAY, YOU HAVE UP UNTIL THIS DATE, OR DOES IT STAY HOW IT IS? SO WHAT I WILL SAY IS THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

WE COULD PURSUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE HOA'S, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THAT WAS UNDER A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STANDARD AT THE TIME THAT THEY PUT THOSE PARKS IN.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ONE BUT I GREW UP IN RANCHO.

BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COULD ENGAGE THE HOA AT RANCHO TO SAY, HEY, WE REALLY WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ON GETTING YOUR PARKS UP TO A INDUSTRY STANDARD.

IT MAY NOT EVEN JUST BE OURS.

IT MAY JUST BE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ENOUGH [INAUDIBLE] MATERIAL OR ADA ACCESSIBILITY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

JUST STARTING THE CONVERSATION, WE CAN DO THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY HAVING THE ONUS OF TAKING RESPONSIBILITY OF A PARK THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED WAS ACCEPTED BY THE CITY PRIOR TO THESE STANDARDS BEING PUT IN PLACE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO TELL THEM THEY NEED TO ADAPT TO THIS NEW STANDARD.

APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

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AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MAYBE COST PROHIBITIVE FOR X, Y, Z ENTITY.

I JUST WANT MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND A MESSAGING TO LET THESE FOLKS KNOW THAT YOU'RE OKAY RIGHT NOW.

BUT THERE MAY BE A DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT.

SO THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHO TRIGGERS THAT? SO LET'S SAY APARTMENT COMPLEX DOES WANT TO UPGRADE THERE AND THEY DON'T KNOW THIS.

DO THEY COME AND GET A PERMIT AND MAYBE AT PERMITTING THEY TELL THEM, OH, THERE'S A STANDARD. I MEAN, SO I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO COME UP JUST THINKING DOWN THE ROAD, LIKE JOHN SAID, HE'S THINKING FORWARD.

SURE. WHEN THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX WANTS TO UPGRADE THEIR SLIDE, WHAT HAPPENS? I MEAN. SO AND I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON IF WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPECIFY THAT IN A MEMBER OR RESIDENT ONLY FACILITY.

SO SOME OF THE APARTMENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE, IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO TO EVEN UNDERSTAND IF WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO MANAGE THE INSTALL OR RENOVATION OF TO OUR STANDARD BASED ON WHO IT'S OPEN TO. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT FUTURE GET. SURE. SURE.

OKAY. [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO YOU DON'T ANYTHING FROM US TONIGHT? THIS IS MORE FOR INFORMATION? NO. AND JUST IF YOU DO HAVE COMMENTS OR THINGS SUGGESTED REVISIONS, IF YOU COULD GET THOSE TO US BEFORE MARCH.

THURSDAY AND TODAY.

[LAUGHTER] THIS THURSDAY.

END OF THE DAY 4:00 MEGAN'S OFFICE.

SO DO THEY STILL ALLOW MONKEY BARS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD REMEMBER IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS STILL ALLOWED OR NOT? THE BIG BARREL. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BECAUSE NOT ONLY AM I A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I'M A CERTIFIED PLAYGROUND SAFETY INSPECTOR.

SO I CAN TALK ON PLAYGROUNDS VERY INTENTLY.

BUT YES, MONKEY BARS ARE STILL ALLOWED.

THERE'S JUST CERTAIN DIAMETER WIDTHS OF THE HANDLES THAT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.

AND AS LONG AS THE SURFACING IS ADEQUATE TO THE HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT, IT CAN BE COMPLIANT. OKAY.

SO WE COULD TRY TO PUT THE WELCH I MEAN, THE BATES PARK EQUIPMENT BACK TOGETHER.

[LAUGHTER] NO SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT WILL MOVE US RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER 3.

[3. Discussion and possible action on budget recommendations for Parks, Right-of-Way, Recreation, Angleton Recreation Center, and Angleton Better Living Corporation division budgets for fiscal year 2022-2023.]

BUDGETS EXCUSE ME FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022, 2023.

GO AHEAD, MEGAN. YES.

SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING STRICTLY.

Y'ALL BE SAFE GOING HOME. THANK YOU. STRICTLY PRELIMINARY PROJECTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WHAT WE DID JUST TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE PACKET THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU. OH.

OKAY. DO WHAT NOW? THESE LONG DOCUMENTS SOMETIMES I CAN'T GET TO THE END.

THE PAST THREE YEAR ACTUAL WHAT'S BUDGETED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR AND WHAT WE'VE REQUESTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, 23.

SOME THINGS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT.

THE FIRST SEVERAL GROUPINGS BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN AT OUR LAST MEETING REGARDING ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER OPERATIONS AND THE RECREATION DIVISION, WE'VE SEPARATED THOSE OUT.

WE DON'T HAVE OFFICIAL CODE OR LINE ITEMS YET.

WE'LL WORK WITH FINANCE ON THAT BEFORE WE GET TO BUDGET, ADOPTION AND APPROVAL.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T AT THE PREVIOUS ABLC MEETING, WE HAVE DIVIDED REC DIVISION AND THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER OPERATIONS COMPLETELY.

AND SO WHAT WE ARE REFLECTING IN REVENUE IS STRICTLY REVENUE GENERATED FROM THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER AND THEN THOSE ASSOCIATED EXPENSES.

SO THE FACILITY OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT, THE AQUATICS MANAGER, FRONT DESK STAFF LIFEGUARDS AND THE CUSTODIAN, AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE ALL THE OPERATIONAL EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACILITY.

SECOND TO THAT, WE ALSO HAVE OUR OR I GUESS FIRST RATHER THE REC DIVISION IS LISTED FOLLOWED BY THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER.

THEN YOU HAVE THE RECREATION DIVISION, WHICH IS THE RECREATION SUPERINTENDENT IN OUR

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SO YOU'LL SEE SOME AREAS THAT ARE BLACKED OUT.

THAT'S BECAUSE THOSE REVENUE LINE ITEMS ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE SHOWN FOR THOSE DIVISIONS. AND SO WE TAKE YOU THROUGH THE FIRST PAGE IN THAT PACKET IS GOING TO BE THE ABLC TRANSFER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HELP SUBSIDIZE THE RECREATION DIVISION ALONG WITH ALL THE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE RELATED TO GENERAL PROGRAMS, YOUTH PROGRAMS, SPECIAL EVENTS, HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND SENIOR PROGRAMS. THE SECOND PAGE IS RELATED TO EXPENSES.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS IN HERE.

AGAIN, THIS IS VERY ROUGH ESTIMATES.

WE TRIED TO KEEP THINGS AS FLAT AS WE COULD.

WE DID MAKE SOME PROJECTIONS ON INSURANCE INCREASING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO WE DID INCREASE THAT BY 20%.

YOU SEE THAT IN THE NOTES.

WE DON'T, THAT COULD BE MUCH LESS.

I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN WE ALSO DID FOR SALARIES PROJECT THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A 3% COST OF LIVING INCREASE.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL.

SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE UNSURE OF THAT WE'LL HAVE TO SOLIDIFY ARE GOING TO BE VEHICLES, SUPPLY, GAS.

HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE SPLIT AMONG THE EMPLOYEES AT THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER AND THE RECREATION DIVISION.

HOW THAT WILL BE SPLIT IN ADDITION TO CONTRACT LABOR INSTRUCTORS, MISCELLANEOUS CONTRACT LABOR AND BANK CREDIT CHARGES THAT MAY BE COMPLETELY ZEROED OUT FOR REC DIVISION.

BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'VE NOT GONE THROUGH AN OPERATIONAL YEAR WHERE THESE DIVISIONS HAVE BEEN SPLIT.

MEGAN? YES.

OKAY. PLEASE BEAR WITH ME AS I GET THE NEW, THE CONCEPT I HAVE, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET MY ACCOUNTING HEAD OVER WHO THE SPLIT IS, SO BEAR WITH ME.

OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE FIRST PAGE.

YOU SAID YOU BLACKED OUT THOSE LINE ITEMS ON THE FIRST PAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE.

ARE WE ON 392? 392 YES. YES.

OKAY. SO THE FAMILY MEMBERSHIP IS BLACKED OUT THERE BECAUSE SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.

BECAUSE. YES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF EACH OF THESE PAGES, YOU'LL SEE A CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS, RIGHT BENEATH IT RECREATION THAT IS SIGNIFYING THE RECREATION DIVISION. AND SO.

IT IS NOT THE REC CENTER? NO. SO IF WE COULD CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

RIGHT. IT MIGHT BE EASIER FOR ME TO GO, OKAY, WHAT IS THAT? SO THIS IS NOT REC CENTER, BUT IT IS? THE RECREATION DIVISION.

DIVISION, MAYBE WE PUT RECREATION DIVISION.

SURE, WE CAN DO THAT.

OK. AND THEN AFTER REVENUES AND EXPENSES, WE'VE LABELED THE RECREATION CENTER, THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER.

I GOT OKAY I GOT THAT ONE. SO WE OKAY.

SO WE BLACKED THOSE OUT ON THIS PAGE BECAUSE THIS PART OF THE OK THE 2022 23 BUDGET WHICH IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING US TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ASSOCIATED.

REC CENTER OR REVENUE ITEMS. CORRECT.

OK THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

BUT WE'VE PUT ON HERE THE GENERAL PROGRAM BECAUSE COMMUNITY SPECIAL EVENTS, THE FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE, HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND THE SENIOR PROGRAMS, ALL THAT GROUP ARE IN FACT.

REC CENTER PROGRAMS, CORRECT? NOT REC. LET ME SAY REC DIVISION.

RECREATION DIVISION AND SOME OF THOSE MAY YES, SOME OF THEM MAY BE HELD.

AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE A MEMBER NECESSARILY.

CORRECT. IT'S NOT A MEMBER SERVICE.

SPECIAL EVENT HELD THERE. CORRECT.

OK SORRY, I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN ME ASK YOU THEN. NO PROBLEM. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING.

NO PROBLEM. AND SO THAT SEQUENCE FOLLOWS AS WE GO INTO IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 395, THIS IS NOW THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER, AND WE'LL SPELL THAT OUT UP AT THE TOP.

THESE ARE THE REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER, AND WE DID THERE OUR NOTES, PLEASE DO REFER TO SOME OF THOSE NOTES UNDER THE DEPARTMENTAL REQUEST.

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SO THAT IS A CALCULATION BASED ON SOME OF THOSE CORRECTIONS.

WE HOPE TO SEE THAT AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.

SO WE HOPE TO BRING IN SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE BY IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THOSE AUTOMATED PAYMENTS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE PROJECTING BASED ON SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.

WE HAVE SOME OTHER CHANGES THAT WE CAN'T REALLY BECAUSE DECISIONS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, BUT BECAUSE DECISIONS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE, WE CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SAVINGS AND EXPENDITURES AND INCREASE IN REVENUE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE THOSE DECISIONS YET.

SO FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALLUDED TO AT THE LAST ABLC MEETING WAS POTENTIALLY CHANGING OUR HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE POOL BASED ON OUR ATTENDANCE AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN THAT AREA.

WELL, THAT WILL ULTIMATELY REDUCE STAFF AND THE PEOPLE REQUIRED TO BE THERE.

SO YOU'LL SEE A REDUCTION IN PART TIME WAGES.

BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING OUR HOURS OF OPERATION AND CHANGING OUR PRIVATE POOL PARTY. SO AGAIN, THAT COULD INCREASE OUR DAILY ADMISSION REVENUE JUST BECAUSE WE'RE OPERATING THE POOL FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME DURING OUR HOURS OF OPERATION.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY BUDGET TO GET SOME GENERAL NUMBERS IN FRONT OF YOU.

I HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SURE. BECAUSE PART OF THE REALITY THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME ARE CERTAIN OTHER DECISIONS ARE MADE BY OTHER PEOPLE, BUT THEN IT COMES BACK TO THE ABLC TO SAY, OKAY, WE APPROVED THAT BUDGET OR WE ASK QUESTIONS AND IT WORKS TOGETHER AND WE GET THERE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE SENIOR PROGRAMS, WHAT YOU HAVE ON HERE IS A REVENUE OF $7,000 DOLLARS AND YOU HAVE AN EXPENSE OF $14,670 DOLLARS.

NOW I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO MAKE MONEY FROM THE REC CENTER OR RECREATION, BUT WE'RE LOSING HALF OF THE BUDGET.

SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO DO THAT.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE A COST RECOVERY EXPECTATION FOR SENIOR PROGRAMS. CORRECT. AND WHOSE DIRECTION WAS THAT? IT WAS CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY. SO CITY COUNCIL DECIDES CERTAIN THINGS AND IT JUST AFFECTS OUR BUDGET.

DID THEY DECIDE TO PONY UP A LITTLE BIT OR WHAT OR TELL US THE PHILOSOPHY SO THAT WE KNOW? I THINK THE PHILOSOPHY PART OF IT WAS, IS THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DELIVER AS A SERVICE TO THAT DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WE KNOW WE'RE NEVER GOING TO RECOVER.

MEGAN, HELP ME OUT.

YOU CAME UP WITH THIS NICE LITTLE PYRAMID THAT HELPED WITH THE STRUCTURE ON HOW REVENUES AND EXPENSES ARE DIVVIED OUT VERSUS DO WE OFFSET? DO WE RECOVER IT OR DO WE PAY FOR SOME OF THAT? CORRECT. AND SO WE DO MODEL ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS. WHEN WE ARE BUDGETING FOR PROGRAMS, WE DO HAVE A COST RECOVERY EXPECTATION.

ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS WILL FALL WITHIN.

AND WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO IS A PYRAMID REGARDING HOW IS THIS IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY, HOW IS IT A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER UP YOU GO, IT BECOMES VERY MUCH SO A MORE SINGULAR BENEFIT.

SO IF I DECIDE THAT I WANT THE CITY TO TAKE ME ON A CHARTERED BUS TOUR TO GO GAMBLING IN LOUISIANA OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT'S MORE OF A PERSONALIZED BENEFIT TO ME AND IS NOT BENEFITING NECESSARILY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE SWIMMING LESSONS THAT MIGHT BE LOWER ON THAT PYRAMID BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHILDHOOD WATER SAFETY AND THAT CAN IMPACT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

SO THOSE THAT'S HOW WE STRUCTURED THAT, STAFF IS ASKED TO AS THEY DEVELOP PROGRAMING AT DETERMINE WHERE IT LIES IN THE PYRAMID, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH A COST RECOVERY PERCENTAGE. THANK YOU, MEGAN.

SHE SAID IT MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD, BUT WE DID IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS OKAY, SO THEN WHO THEN DECIDES HOW MUCH THAT IS? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENTIAL? IT'S DOUBLE THE REVENUE.

DO WE DOUBLE IT? I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT OK MORE SPECIFICALLY.

SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER THAT WE'VE BUDGETED WITHIN THIS, IT'S BEEN BUDGETED REVENUE OF $7,000

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OK AND DON'T REALLY NEED TO, BUT WE'VE DECIDED THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS A VERY SPECIFIC THING. WE'VE GOT A VERY SPECIFIC LIST, WHICH IS GOOD.

SO THE SPECIFIC LIST OF WHAT'S INCLUDED HERE IS $14,670. SO.

SO WHY DID WE DECIDE TO DO $14,670, WHICH IS OVER A $3000 DOLLAR INCREASE FROM CURRENT YEAR WHEN WE REALLY ONLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT'S MY LOSS? OK WHAT AM I WILLING TO TOLERATE ON A LOSS ON SOMETHING WE ALL DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T RUN MY AIR CONDITIONER AT 65 DEGREES AND THEN JUST THINK, WELL, IT'S OK AND I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO MAKE MONEY, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF FORMAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, WELL, BECAUSE THE COST RECOVERY IS SAID, WHATEVER THAT THEN WHOEVER PLANS THOSE, I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT.

HERE'S THE AMOUNT.

AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE TO VOICE SOME QUESTION OR COMPLAINT TO SAY AT A POINT WE'RE SPENDING $850,000 DOLLARS OF SALES TAX TO MAKE THE REC CENTER ZERO OUT.

AND SO LET ME JUST SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT OF HOW WE GET TO THE PROGRAMS AND EVENTS THAT WE DO. SO, FOR INSTANCE, GERI JUST RECENTLY HAD OR PUT OUT, SHE'S OVER THE SENIOR COMMISSION. AND SO WE DO AN ANNUAL STRATEGIC PLAN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THOSE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES.

AND OFTENTIMES THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVE FOR PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY IS A RESULT OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT ON WHAT SENIORS WANT TO SEE.

SO IT IS THE [INAUDIBLE] TO US.

WE WANT TO SEE MORE OF X, Y, Z.

SO WE ARE RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNITY INTEREST.

WE'RE NOT WILLY NILLY SAYING, OH, THIS SEEMS FINE, LET'S DO THIS.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING OBJECTIVES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED BY A STRATEGIC PLAN AND INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO PART OF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN WE GO ON A TRIP, WE'RE GETTING 100% RETURN BECAUSE WE'RE JUST CHARGING THEM FOR THE AMOUNT OF THE TRIP.

HOWEVER, YOU TAKE SOME OF THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS, PEOPLE ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE COST OF THE SPECIAL EVENT BECAUSE WE GAVE A ZERO COST RECOVERY EXPECTATION.

SO IF WE PUT ON AN EVENT THAT THOSE RESOURCES, FOOD, WHATEVER IT IS, ENTERTAINMENT COSTS X NUMBER OF DOLLARS THAT IS WORKING AT A COMPLETE LOSS.

SO WE DECIDE HOW MANY WE DO THAT ARE LIKE THAT? WELL, WHAT ABOUT LIKE THE SAY THE FIREWORKS? DO WE GET A RETURN ON A FIREWORK SHOW? I KNOW YOU'RE NOT DIRECTLY, BUT WHOEVER IS PAYING FOR IT.

WE GET A SMALL AMOUNT OF SPONSORSHIP. WELL, THAT'S JUST A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW SOME OF YOUR PROGRAMS ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY. BUT AND I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE, IT'D BE GREAT IF THEY ALL IF IT WAS A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.

BUT THERE'S ALSO INDIRECT REVENUE, TOO, AND WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT.

I MEAN, YOU HAD $54,000 IN SENIOR MEMBERSHIP FEES TO THE REC CENTER.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SENIOR PERSON AND IN DOING THE PROGRAMING, YOU MIGHT LOSE THAT REVENUE AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'LL FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO.

SO, YES, THERE'S A LOSS ON SOME OF THAT ON THE ACTIVITIES.

AND IT'S NOT ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES.

SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES, BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK OF YOUR FIXED COST.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT PERSON IN PLACE.

AND THAT IS AT A MINIMUM TO COVER ALL YOUR PROGRAMING.

THEY MIGHT NOT BE 100% UTILIZED THROUGH THAT WHOLE TIME.

SO THEY CAN'T RECOVER THEIR COSTS 100% AT THAT POINT.

BUT IT'S KIND OF INDIRECT COSTS.

ACTUALLY, JOHN, THANK YOU, BECAUSE I FORGOT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LINE ITEM THAT'S SENIOR MEMBERSHIP.

SO THANK YOU.

SO DO.

OKAY, SO HOW MANY DO WE KNOW HOW MANY SENIOR MEMBERSHIPS WE HAVE? OH, GOSH. I MEAN.

THAT WHOLE THING THAT GOT PRESENTED TO US.

WHAT WAS IT SIX MONTHS AGO? EIGHT MONTHS. WELL, AND WE DO HAVE.

YEAH. WHICH IS WE HAVE HOW MANY MEMBERS AT A TIME LIKE.

YEAH. I WAS THERE 30%.

30? 30%.

OKAY. OKAY.

YOU KNOW, Y'ALL TOLERATE ME BECAUSE IT'S THE HAT I WEAR.

WE ARE LITERALLY SPENDING $850,000 DOLLARS TO MAKE THIS THING BUDGET OUT, WHICH MEANS

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AND A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THINGS THAT I DON'T REALLY FIT, WANT TO MANAGE.

THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE, BUT IT'S ON OUR BUDGET.

SO IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I WANT TO BUILD THINGS.

I WANT TO SPEND THIS MONEY DOING THOSE THINGS.

WE'VE EVOLVED TO THIS AND THEN WE ON TOP OF IT, THE CITY COUNCIL THEN WANTS US TO SPEND $350,000 DOLLARS PAYING FOR PART OF PARKS PEOPLE, WHICH WE NEED.

BUT SO A LOT OF OUR BUDGET IS GONE.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT I THINK I CAN ANALYZE, I DO IT.

SO THANK YOU SINCERELY, BECAUSE I'M THINKING WE'RE LOSING THAT.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, A LOT OF THOSE SAME SENIOR MEMBERS ARE GOING TO THOSE EVENTS AND THEY'RE BEING PUT ON. SO WE'RE GIVING BACK SOME OF THE REVENUE THAT WE GOT, BUT I DON'T EXPECT US TO MAKE A PROFIT, BUT I'D RATHER NOT LOSE $850,000 DOLLARS.

SO NOBODY WANTS US TO LOSE $850,000, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

RIGHT. THANKS.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, THANK YOU. THAT GOES BACK TO THE INCEPTION OF ABLC AND THE BUILDING OF THAT. WHAT WAS IT, 50% WAS THE THOUGHT? NO, IT WAS NEVER THE THOUGHT.

THE FIRST FEW YEARS, IT WAS $200,000 DOLLARS.

[INAUDIBLE] 50%.

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH.

I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THIS, WHAT WAS IT, 21 YEARS, WHATEVER IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, WE CREATED THE ABLC.

THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS WE HAD THAT WE USED THE LAKE JACKSON REC CENTER, RETIRING TO LAKE JACKSON CIVIC CENTER, SOME OTHERS.

WE ALWAYS KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE AT A LOSS.

RIGHT. THE PERCENTAGE BEEN TOO LONG FOR ME TO RECALL.

BUT EVERYONE THAT THE CITY OPERATED FACILITY PART OF THEIR REASONING BEHIND THE LOSSES THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING.

A SERVICE. SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

BUT I THINK WHAT KYLE HAD BEEN WORKING ON AND MEGAN YOU KNOW [INAUDIBLE] WHEN THEY REEVALUATE I KNOW HE TALKED ABOUT IT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS PARKS BOARD OR ABLC THE LAST TIME, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES, I GUESS, FOR US TO FIND WHERE WE CAN STOP SOME OF THE LEAKS, WHICH IS WHERE I GUESS WE GOT TO START.

YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE INCREASE REVENUES, STOP LEAKS, BUT STILL PROVIDE A SERVICE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WHATEVER IT MAY BE, DO WE GET MORE REVENUE FROM THE SENIORS? WE MAKE MORE SENIOR OPPORTUNITIES, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE WEIGHT ROOM, WHATEVER? BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO AT THIS POINT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE START FROM IS SEE WHERE THEY CAN PICK UP PROGRAMING, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

BUT I THINK YOU HAD SOME LONG PRESENTATION ABOUT ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

MAYBE WE CAN AND I ACTUALLY WENT AND DID THE LITTLE TOUR WITH HIM AND THE REC CENTER IS IN NEED OF SOME MUCH NEEDED ATTENTION, WHICH ISN'T EVEN ON THIS.

SO OK SORRY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR INDULGING ME.

BUT YOU KNOW, VERY SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE UNTIL WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE FUNDING THE REC CENTERS OPERATION AND THAT'S ALL WE GOT.

CHARLYN ROGERS OPINION ONLY.

PICK UP NEXT YEAR? BECAUSE BY SHOWING THE TRANSFER SHOWING THE TRANSFER IS GOING DOWN NEXT YEAR.

BECAUSE IT'S SPLIT.

CORRECT. HE'S JUST SPLIT REC TO REC.

NO, IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S SPLIT AMONG ACCOUNTS.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT REC DIVISION, IT'S AROUND 350.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER DIVISION, IT'S OVER 500 AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 350 SOMETHING FROM PARKS.

SO IT'S NOT GOING DOWN.

IT'S ON PAGE 395 IS THE OTHER PIECE.

BUT IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT IT'S BEING PICKED UP SOMEWHERE, I WILL DEFINITELY REFLECT THAT IN THE NEXT NEXT DOCUMENT.

IT'S CHARLYN AND I WILL ALWAYS AGREE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO FUND.

WE WANT TO BUILD.

USE THE MONEY TO BUILD THINGS.

HOWEVER, I ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE MORE WE BUILD, THE MORE COSTS WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE.

AND WE AS ABLC, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, THAT WE CAN'T EXPECT THE PROPERTY TAX TO TAKE UP THE PORTION OF THE OPERATIONS SIDE WHEN WE BUILD A LOT MORE.

AT SOME POINT, MAYBE WE CAN.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIX STREETS AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE NOW OUR STREET FUND IS NOW INSIDE OF OUR GENERAL FUND NOW.

SO WE HAVE TO FIX STREETS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

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BUT IT GOT MOVED THAT SALES TAX IS STILL BEING IN THE GENERAL FUND.

IT'S NOW IN THE GENERAL FUND IT'S USED FOR EVERYTHING.

RIGHT. SO. WELL, IT'S NOT.

THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED THAT ON THE THING AND SO THE CITIZENS VOTED FOR IT.

BUT NONETHELESS, I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT THE CITY PAY FOR THIS ITEM.

MY WELL, CHARLYN, I THINK ONE THING THAT YOU AND JOHN WERE BOTH TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE BUILD MORE PROJECTS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE FREEDOM PARK EXPANSION, THERE WAS A TALK ABOUT A PAVILION WITH AIR CONDITIONING FOR PARTIES AND STUFF.

AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS MAINTENANCE COST.

YOU CAN BUILD A DICKEY PARK, DO OTHER STUFF.

ONCE YOU DO IT, THERE'S FALL PROTECTION, THERE'S GENERAL MAINTENANCE.

YOU DO A BUILDING THAT HAS AIR CONDITIONING, REPLACE ROOF REPLACE, EVERYTHING.

IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. SO WHEN WE BUILD NEW PARKS, I KNOW WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN WEATHERING THESE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EXPENSES AT THE REC CENTER FOR ALL THE THINGS, THE ROOFS, EVERYTHING WE DO.

IF YOU WERE PROPOSING A CIVIC CENTER OR SOMETHING ELSE UNDER THE ABLC YOU'LL SEE WE WOULD PROBABLY NOT LIKE IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO INCUR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MAINTENANCE.

AND IN FUTURE MAINTENANCE, I MEAN, ROOFS, AC'S, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.

WE ALL HAVE HOMES AND YOU GOT TO MAINTAIN THEM.

SO YEAH. SO I REALLY WASN'T PROPOSING THAT.

I JUST WAS I AM SO EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE KYLE HAS LOTS OF IDEAS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET WE CAN'T BE SPENDING.

WE NEED TO MAXIMIZE WHERE WE CAN.

THERE IS A BUNCH OF ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE TO GET THE MEMBERSHIP UP.

I'VE TALKED TO LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO'VE COME UP TO ME ONCE THEY SAW ME WERE THERE AND SAYS, ALL THE BATHROOMS, THE WOMEN'S BATHROOMS, I HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THEY WON'T CHANGE IN THERE. HOW EMBARRASSING.

YOU KNOW, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE BUILDING SOMETHING NEW IF WE CAN'T GET OUR BATHROOMS, OUR LOCKER ROOMS, EXCUSE ME, NOT THE RESTROOMS, BUT THE LOCKER ROOMS PRESENTABLE SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE GO AND USE THE FACILITY, THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN CHANGE, IN THE RESTROOMS THAT WHEN SHOCKED ME AND YOU HEARD HIM WHEN HE WAS TALKING TO US AT THE DESK AND I HAD TWO CHURCH MEMBERS WHO WON'T EVEN CHANGE THERE.

SO IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.

IT'S EXPENSIVE.

WE'VE AGREED FROM THE GET GO THAT THAT BECAME OUR DIME.

BUT THE OPERATION JUST KEEPS GETTING MORE AND MORE NOT FUNDED, WHICH THEN MAKES ME FROM A ACCOUNTABILITY POINT OF VIEW TO SAY, WELL, ARE WE PROVIDING SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE NEEDING? DO THEY ONLY WANT IT IF IT'S FREE? YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT YOU DON'T MAKE MORE WIDGETS IF EVERY WIDGET LOSES YOU A DOLLAR.

SO WE NEED TO GET THE HOURS RIGHT.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PEOPLE COME IN THERE FOR AND DON'T HAVE STAFF AND CHEMICALS AND ELECTRICITY AND LIGHTS AND AND MAINTENANCE IF IT'S NOT BEING USED OR IT'S NOT BEING USED HOURS, MAYBE WE SAY IT CLOSES AT 4:00 ON SUNDAY IF WE ONLY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE IN THERE OR SOMETHING. BUT WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE THE ASSET BETTER.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN APRIL.

YOU KNOW, THE DATA THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED AND THAT WE'VE SEEN, WE WILL HAVE SOME ACTIONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING YOU, WHICH WILL HELP US REFINE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. THANK YOU.

AND SORRY TO HAVE TAKEN SO LONG THERE.

FINE. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH ARC REVENUE AND EXPENSE.

FOLLOWING THOSE PAGES IS ABLC REVENUE AND EXPENSE.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO INCREASE HERE.

THAT'S ON PAGE 399 AND WE KEPT IT FLAT.

WHEN CHRIS IS CHRIS HILL IS ENGAGED AND HAS SOME ADDITIONAL ESTIMATES BASED.

ONCE WE HAVE SOME WE HAVE MORE DATA TO UTILIZE ON EXISTING SALES TAX HISTORY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BETTER REFLECTION OF WHAT THAT IS LIKELY TO LOOK LIKE.

BUT WE'RE JUST USING THIS YEAR'S BUDGETED NUMBERS AND AGAIN, GOING ON TO PAGE 400, YOU SEE A LOT OF HIGHLIGHTED RED ITEMS. THAT'S BECAUSE NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN DECIDED.

THESE ARE ALL PRELIMINARY NUMBERS, INCLUDING THE TRANSFERS.

SO SOME OF THESE TRANSFERS ARE WITH RESPECT TO PARKS, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW IF WHAT THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE, IF THERE WILL BE ONE THIS NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS BEFORE WE CAN FINALIZE THAT NUMBER. WE DO HAVE THE CO PAYMENT IN THERE, NEW AND OLD, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE

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I WILL TELL YOU THAT BASED OFF OF THESE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE WOULD LIKELY BE ABLE TO GO OUT FOR DEBT THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

BUT AGAIN, THAT IS BASED ON PRELIMINARY NUMBERS.

THESE ARE ALL FLAT, AREN'T THESE FLAT? CORRECT. YEAH. AND HOW MUCH IS SALES TAX UP AGAIN? TEN.

CHRIS TOLD ME BEFORE THE MEETING, WE'RE ALMOST 13%.

13.

WE'RE SEEING REVENUE.

ACTUAL INCREASE WAS 9, NOT 13.

MAYBE IT WAS FOR THIS MONTH, A YEAR OVER YEAR FOR THIS MONTH, I DON'T KNOW.

THEY ALWAYS TELL YOU THE CURRENT MONTH AND THE CURRENT MONTH IS ALWAYS HIGHER.

YEAH. YEAH, I DIDN'T REMEMBER.

I KNEW IT WAS IN HIGH SINGLE DIGITS.

I JUST DIDN'T. AND ONE OF THE, IN THE DEBT SCHEDULE, WHAT YOU USUALLY HAVE BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL JOINT MEETING, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL THE TYPICAL FINANCIALS, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT THAT DEBT SCHEDULE. BUT WE WILL HAVE DEBT FALLING OFF.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHICH FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM TO CONSIDER.

NOW JUST FOR INFORMATION, BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE AT THE BUDGET WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THE ACTUAL BUDGETED SALES TAX FOR ABLC WAS BUDGETED FOR A 14% INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND EVERYBODY HOPES WE GET THERE.

BUT THERE WAS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF NEW THINGS IN THE WORKS.

RIGHT RIGHT. AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW THAT YET.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND SO MOVING ON TO PARKS, THIS IS REALLY MAINLY FOR THE.

YES. OKAY. PAGE, ARE YOU AT PAGE 399 YET? I CAN'T READ THAT OKAY. BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT WE WERE NOT DOING THE 400,000 DOLLAR TRANSFER.

CORRECT. THAT WAS JUST WHAT WAS IN THE BUDGET BOOK.

BUT THAT IS NOT FOR THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR.

SO ALL I DID WAS COPY THOSE NUMBERS OVER.

THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT WE THAT IS GOING BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO. THIS IS JUST FOR THE REQUESTED FOR NEXT YEAR.

CORRECT. AT SOME OTHER TIME, ADJUSTMENTS. ABSOLUTELY.

AND THOSE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS WILL HAPPEN.

WE SUBMIT THEM IN APRIL.

THEY'LL BE APPROVED IN MAY.

OKAY. AND SO AGAIN, ON PAGE 400, ALL OF THE HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS, THIS IS GOING BACK TO LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT 65.01 OTHER PARK PROJECTS, THAT'S WHERE WE LAST YEAR EXCUSE ME, THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR WHERE WE HAVE AROUND 217,000 BUDGETED.

THAT'S WHERE WE DID THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN ETC.

AND THIS REQUESTED AND AGAIN THERE HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOUR DIRECTION IS A CONCEPT PLAN FOR VETERANS OR PRELIMINARY DESIGN FOR VETERANS.

THERE'S SOMEWHAT RELATED TO THAT QUESTION I HAVE.

DIDN'T WE BLOW THROUGH OUR CONTINGENCY FUND ON LAKESIDE PARK ALREADY? DID WE USE IT UP FOR THAT? CORRECT. YES.

SO ANY FUTURE CHANGE ORDERS LIKE THAT ONE WAS, WHAT, 235,000, WHATEVER, ANY FUTURE CHANGE ORDERS WILL COME OUT OF OUR FUND BALANCE MOST LIKELY? CORRECT. I KNOW THIS WAS JUST PRELIMINARY, TALKING ABOUT 50,000 TOWARD THE VETERANS PARK, BUT I HAVE IN THE PAST, ANY TIME WE DEVELOP PARKS, WE CAP A LARGER FUND BALANCE.

AND PROBABLY CHARLYN CAN REMEMBER WE USED TO HAVE SOME SIZABLE ONES.

I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING A LITTLE BIT OUT HERE FOR THIS PROJECT OR A LITTLE BIT OUT FOR THIS PROJECT DURING THE DURATION OF THAT PARK.

MONEY. SO ANY OF THESE KIND OF THINGS LIKE THIS, I THINK THEY'RE NICE TO PUT UP THERE TO LOOK AT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD TOUCH IT DURING THE PARK, LAKESIDE PARK OR EVEN DURING HAVE TO. SURE.

MONEY ON VETERANS PARK WHEN IT'S NOT EVEN ANYWHERE IN THE PIPELINE.

OKAY. BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS WE PAY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S LIGHTS AT SOFTBALL FIELD OR SOMETHING HERE, SOMETHING THERE.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO.

BUT I THINK NOW WE JUST HAVE TO SIT ON OUR MONEY AND LET IT BUILD IN CASE WE.

SURE. BECAUSE THERE COULD VERY WELL BE ANOTHER QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR CHANGE ORDER.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT EITHER IN THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE 520 ABLC CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT OR OTHER PARK PROJECTS, WHATEVER, YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE ACCOUNTS AND I THINK THIS WAS MENTIONED LAST BUDGET YEAR, THOSE ARE BUDGETING, BALANCED BUDGETING LINE ITEMS. SO IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN ALL IN ABLC CONTINGENCY, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT IN PARK

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OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE IT TO THE CONTINGENCY.

ALSO THE LAND ACQUISITION.

WE'RE TRYING TO PURCHASE MORE LAND OVER ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO THIS WILL BE AN ITEM THAT WILL COME UP TOMORROW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I BELIEVE FRANCES HAS THAT ON THE AGENDA.

AND THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IN A ANOTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO WE HAVE ACQUIRED SOUTH SIDE PARK, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT COULD HELP EXPAND THAT PARK. SO THAT WILL BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

BUT THE LINE ITEM THAT SAYS THAT'S NOT IN RED, THE ONE THAT'S IN BLACK IS WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN PURCHASED? NO, NOT AT ALL.

NO, NO.

OK. THAT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A LAND ACQUISITION, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE THOUGHT OF TO CONSIDER.

DIDN'T WE ALREADY BUY SOME LAND? WE DID. WE DID BUT WE TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLE PARCELS IN THAT MEETING.

CORRECT. SO WE PURCHASED ONE.

WE EXECUTED A LAND PURCHASE.

AND DO WE HAVE A NUMBER? YES.

YES, IT IS.

WE PURCHASED THAT FOR 185,000.

OKAY. SO WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE 180? WE GOT 100 ON THIS RIGHT HERE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT LAST MEETING WAS PARK LAND DEDICATION FEES. SO WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE PARK LAND DEDICATION IS WE CAN PURCHASE LAND AND AS WE ACQUIRE MORE PARK LAND FEES, WE CAN PAY BACK THE FUND.

SO WHETHER THAT'S ABLC, GENERAL FUND, WHAT HAVE YOU, WE CAN PAY THOSE FUNDS BACK WITH THOSE DOLLARS.

AND I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU. BUT BECAUSE I KNEW THE OTHER ASTERISK, I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE I WAS LOOKING AT HERE. RIGHT.

THAT WE HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED THE SALE OF EXISTING PARK LAND, WHICH WILL ALSO BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. EXCELLENT.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S PARKS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT OUGHT TO GO BACK TO PARKS.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

QUESTION THOUGH, THE OTHER PARK PROJECTS IN CURRENT BUDGET HERE, THE 207, I'M GOING TO ROUND IT TO 218 NOW THAT'S, REMIND ME WHAT THAT IS? SO THIS WAS AND REALLY JUST I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY FOCUS ON THAT FISCAL YEAR.

BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THIS FISCAL.

YOU KNOW ME. I DO. I DO.

IT WAS ADA TRANSITION PARK STANDARDS.

OH, GOODNESS.

SEE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING A LIST OF THIS.

FINANCIALS. ALL OF THOSE WILL BE PROVIDED ON OUR REGULAR MEETING AGENDA.

WHEN CHARLYN COMES SHE ALWAYS ASKS QUESTIONS.

OKAY, SO, SO THAT WAS THE OTHER THING, MOST OF WHICH WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO, RIGHT? THEY MAY NOT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID, BUT OH, YES, LIKE THE BATES FIVE FIELD LIGHTS.

OKAY. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT ELSE IS IN THAT LINE ITEM.

COMFORTABLE THAT WE WERE USING THE 400,000 DOLLARS THAT INITIALLY WAS GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED WHEN WE SAID WE GOT OTHER THINGS WE GOT TO DO.

BATES LIGHT. SO I'VE GOT THIS OTHER THING THAT I BROUGHT, WHICH HAS THE TECH LINE SPORTS, WHICH IS DESCRIBED AS SOFTBALL FIELD LIGHTS.

IT IS LIKE TOTAL COST OF 170 OK THEN 30,000 DOLLARS THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE DOWNING TENNIS COURTS.

PARK STANDARDS IS 85.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT 85 IS DOWN HERE IN THE 217? IT IS. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS THIS 400,000, REMEMBER, GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.

RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT? RIGHT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF WHEN WE MAKE THAT BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT 625.01 ITEM TO COVER THE PROJECTS YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED.

OKAY. WHICH ON THE SHEET THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS EXACTLY THE SHEET THAT I WAS REFERRING TO THAT SHOULD HAVE YOUR SUBTOTAL OF WHAT YOU'VE COMMITTED.

IT SAYS IT'S 612,000, WHICH IS REAL CLOSE TO THIS NUMBER.

MY PROBLEM, I COULDN'T QUITE GET THERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVERSPENDING BECAUSE I ONLY SEE IT WHEN WE MEET.

SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE PROJECTS, SO ALL THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED, BUT I WAS HOPING THAT WE HAD A LITTLE LEFT UNSPENT OR UNCOMMITTED SO THAT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WANTED TO DO NEEDED TO DO THAT WE KNEW WE HAD THIS X AMOUNT. SO I MIGHT GO OVER TO CHRIS HERE AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE AND SAY, HELP ME OUT WITH

[02:20:03]

WE TOOK THE 98 THAT WE HAD ALREADY PAID, WHICH THEN GAVE US 286.

WELL TO 280 LET ME ROUND IT TO 287, THAT IS LESS THAN 617.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE 217 THAT'S NOT ON HERE.

DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I WAS. I DO, BUT THEY'RE SYNONYMOUS.

SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT ACCOUNT SHOULD NOW BE 286.

OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT.

DON'T WRITE IT DOWN. [LAUGHTER] APPROVED PROJECTS.

OKAY. AND WE CAN SEND THAT THIS WEEK JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE IT.

BUT REALLY, AGAIN, WHAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON THIS EVENING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT MONEY YOU HAVE FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS OR JUST EVEN POTENTIALLY IN FUND BALANCE FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT SORT OF IT CAN JUST.

BUT THEN WE FORGET THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.

SURE. RIGHT. RIGHT. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFICALLY WITH THE HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS? DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS SPECIFICALLY IN ABLC EXPENSE? YEP. I'M GOING TO GO OVER TO THE YELLOW THING.

SO I HAD THOUGHT AND CHRIS BACK IN THE MEETING WITH US, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT THAT ABLC WAS PAYING FOR THE PARK'S OTHER EMPLOYEES, AND IT ONLY WENT FROM 338 TO 334.

AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT IS BASED OFF OF 40% TRANSFER.

SO THAT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING FROM.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER WHEN I SAID I THOUGHT IT WENT DOWN.

THAT WAS THE NUMBER. OKAY.

SO IF WE ARE IF THERE'S A PERCENTAGE THAT I NEED TO BE AIMING AT, I CAN ADJUST THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

CURRENTLY, IT'S AT 40%.

IT'S HARD TO ASK ME THAT FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN MID-YEAR BUDGET, SO.

ABLC.

WELL, AND HERE'S, ANOTHER APPROACH.

THIS IS AN ABLC MEETING.

SO IF ABLC WOULD LIKE US TO AIM AT A PERCENTAGE, WE WILL PRESENT THAT DURING THE BUDGET MEETING AND IT WILL EITHER FLY OR NOT FLY.

SO BY YOU ALL A COMBINATION OF CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN ABLC AND CITY COUNCIL.

WELL, I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE THE SPIRIT OF MOVING IT DOWN BECAUSE REALLY WE SHOULDN'T BE DEALING WITH PERSONNEL ISSUES HERE, IN MY OPINION.

WE WERE FUNCTIONED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO DOWN TO 30%.

SO, CHARLYN, WE'RE STAFF.

WE'LL DO WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK, WE'LL RUN THE NUMBERS, WE'LL WHATEVER. BUT YOU CAN'T LOOK AT US AND SAY, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN. FAIR ENOUGH.

Y'ALL HAVE TO SAY THAT TO US.

AND LIKE MEGAN SAID, GIVE US THREE TARGETS, YOU KNOW, 50%, 25%, 10%.

I DON'T CARE. WE'LL RUN THE NUMBERS.

WHAT'S THAT? WHAT DID WE DECREASE IT BY LAST YEAR? 10%. WE WERE WE'D BEEN AT 50 WHEN THE IDEA WAS HATCHED BY A PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, AND THEN IT WENT TO 40.

AND THEN I GUESS IT'S 30.

OR WAS IT OR IS THIS NUMBER 40? THIS IS 40. I DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

SO. THEN LET'S GO TO 30.

LET'S HAVE A SPIRIT OF COOPERATION.

ME SOMETHING.

THANK YOU. WELL SAID.

CHRIS. LET ME ASK A QUESTION ON SOME OF THE STUFF THAT THE PARKS BOARD YOU KNOW, IT'S A POLICY BOARD. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE SPENT MONEY ON, IN TRUTH, SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PARKS BOARD, LIKE THE PARKS STANDARD.

WE'RE SPENDING $80,000 DOLLARS ON REALITY IN ANY OTHER TIME IT WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE CITY. BUT THE ABLC PICKED IT UP AND THEN THERE WAS SOMETHING LAST YEAR ON SOME ADA COMPLIANCE AND SOME THINGS.

AGAIN, THAT WAS A POLICY THAT IN YEARS PAST WE WOULD HAVE NEVER TOUCHED IT.

BUT WE'RE TAKING ON ADDED EXPENSE THAT NORMALLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OURS.

AND WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER ABOUT WATCHING THOSE OUTFLOWS WHILE WE'RE BUILDING A PARK, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO COME TO US AND NEED TO GO TO THE CORRECT SOURCE. I KNOW WE AGREED TO IT BECAUSE WE DO THE CITY AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE TIGHT FOR AWHILE. AND SO WE DO PICK UP THINGS WHEN WE AFFORD TO.

BUT DURING CONSTRUCTION, I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

WE NEED TO STICK WITH WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO AND NOT PICK UP THINGS JUST TO BE A NICE

[02:25:02]

YEAH. BECAUSE THE TOTAL OF THOSE IS ON MY CHEAT SHEET THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD.

THAT WAS $185,000 COUNCILMAN THAT ABLC PAID FOR.

THAT WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT IN NORMAL ARRANGEMENTS WOULD HAVE BEEN A A CITY WIDE EXPENDITURE. WE TOOK CARE OF IT BECAUSE WE HAD IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THE TRANSFER.

IT WAS NEEDED SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PARKS AND MAKE THEM THINGS WE'RE PROUD OF AND WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR.

BUT THERE OUGHT TO BE A LITTLE BIT GIVE AND TAKE HERE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PIGGY BANKS JUST ABOUT BROKE.

YEAH. ON BOTH SIDES.

YEAH. AND WE DO HAVE BUT WE CAN'T RAISE ANY MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND NEITHER SHOULD COUNCIL. WELL, THAT'S A PHILOSOPHY, RIGHT? WE CAN'T, WE ABLC CAN RAISE NO MONEY.

WE JUST DECIDE WHAT PROJECTS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMISSION THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.

AND THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.

YEAH. WELL, AND IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE DISCONNECT SOMETIMES ON WHAT WE OBLIGATED OURSELVES TO DO. I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WAS AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, FREEDOM PARK WAS DONE, THAT MASTER PLAN ONLY BECAUSE WE WERE OBLIGATED TO BY CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT AND WINDROSE GREEN DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT.

SO WE DID THAT IN ADVANCE.

BUT THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND SIX AND A HALF MILLION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T AND WE DIDN'T HAVE.

BUT WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS ABIGAIL'S PARK.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES TONIGHT I HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT VETERANS WAS GOING TO BE NEXT. BUT I DON'T THINK, SOMEWHERE THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND THE PARKS BOARD TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT I SAW PRESENTED TONIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT WE NEED US TO MAKE A COMMITMENT AND STICK TO IT AND DON'T DEVIATE TO THIS PART.

DON'T DEVIATE OVER HERE TO STICK TO WHAT THE BOARD SAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WHAT MY OPINION IS. SO SURE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WE'VE INCLUDED THE CIP IN THIS PACKET AS WELL, THE LAST TWO PAGES. BUT AS A REMINDER, THE PRIORITY OF THE PROJECTS ARE FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY BOTH PARKS BOARD AND ABLC AND CITY COUNCIL. AND SO WE PRIORITIZE THOSE BASED OFF OF THE SHORT TERM, MID-TERM AND LONG TERM GOALS. SO THAT IS EXACTLY HOW YOU, WE CAME UP WITH, THE STAFF, CAME UP WITH THE CIP, WHICH WAS AGAIN SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED BY PARKS BOARD LAST YEAR, LAST FISCAL YEAR.

AND SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REORGANIZE THOSE PRIORITIES.

AND SO THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.

WE'VE UPDATED SOME NUMBERS, NOT THE TOTAL, BECAUSE THAT WILL CHANGE BASED OFF OF ALL OTHER CITY PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE CIP PLAN.

BUT WE CAN TAKE COMMENT NOW, RECEIVE THAT SO THAT WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF EXACTLY HOW THE BOARD WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND I THINK OUR CONVERSATIONS, I ASSUMED, WERE BEING TAKEN TO HEART BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY VOTE ON THOSE BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE REC CENTER.

I THINK CHARLYN AND I TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT HOW IT'S KIND OF BLEEDING US DRY ON SOME OF THE EVENTS AND YOU ALL OUR ADDRESSING IT.

BUT WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING.

IT WAS AT THE VERY LAST OF THE CIP.

WE SAID WE NEED TO MOVE IT UP.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN SPEND THERE TO INCREASE THE REVENUE, IT MAY BE WORTH THAT EXPENDITURE AND THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS WE MADE, BUT I GUESS WE DIDN'T FORMALLY SAY LET'S TAKE THAT THING THAT WE VOTED, THE CIP THAT WE VOTED ON.

I DON'T THINK WE REALLY PUT IT TOGETHER.

MAYBE IT WAS ASSUMED BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME THINGS ON THERE.

WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I SAID, WHY IN THE WORLD IS THIS IN YEAR 2050 WHEN IT SHOULD BE IN YEAR 2024? AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I GUESS OUR CONVERSATIONS AFTER NEVER WENT BACK AND CHANGED THAT FORMAT, WHICH WE NEED TO DO SO.

SO YEAH, ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY IS ABLC DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET ON THE BUDGET, SO ABLC DID NOT HAVE ANY FORMAL MOTIONS OR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD OR CHANGE ANY OF THE ITEMS. WHILE THERE ARE COMMENTS MADE OR COULD BE MADE FROM ONE OR TWO OR MAYBE EVEN THREE BOARD MEMBERS UNLESS THERE IS A MOTION GIVEN.

I MEAN, WE NEED THAT FROM THE BOARDS.

CHRIS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING AS WELL? DID YOU? SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO DURING BUDGET THIS YEAR IS EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS WILL BRIEF OUT THEIR CIP ALONG WITH THE BUDGET.

SO IF THERE IS DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL WE'LL MAKE THOSE APPROPRIATE CHANGES.

BUT JUST LIKE MEGAN SAID, WE WERE FOLLOWING THE FORMALIZED PROGRAM.

WE HEARD THE COMMENTS ABOUT CHANGES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN NO LET'S RELOOK THE CIP, LET'S RELOOK THE PRIORITIES.

[02:30:04]

AND SO, AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE THAT DIRECTION.

LIKE CHRIS, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, SOME'S IN 2050 AND IT NEEDS TO BE IN 2025.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO TELL US TO DO.

SO WE DEVELOP THOSE SPEND PLANS.

AND MEGAN, COULD YOU PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA SO WE CAN PARKS BOARD AND ABLC CAN PRIORITIZE? I KNOW.

I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD.

AND THAT IS, I MEAN, ACTUALLY DEJA VU SITTING HERE BECAUSE WE SAID, NO, THAT'S WE AREN'T GOING TO SPEND THAT. IT'S THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE MADE A MOTION.

YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS AND IT WAS.

WE DID.

WELL IN THE BUDGET MEETING, THE DISCUSSION.

OH NO WE DIDN'T HAVE A BUDGET MEETING.

YEAH, SORRY. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FREEDOM PARK DESIGN IS WHEN THAT DISCUSSION WAS.

AND SO THE DIRECTION THAT WAS GIVEN WAS TO PUT IT BACK IN THE FUND BALANCE BECAUSE THE FOCUS WANTED TO BE ON SOUTH SIDE PARK, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH SIDE PARK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RECREATION CENTER.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING AROUND.

WE NEED DIRECTION ON WHERE YOU WANT THEM MOVED AND BE EXPLICIT.

THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS THE BUDGET WORKSHOP BEFORE WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH NEW ARRANGE NUMBERS, NEW FIRM NUMBERS.

SO IF YOU HAVE DIRECTION, LOOK AT THE CIP AND TELL US WHERE DO YOU WANT THAT TO FALL? SURE. ONE OTHER QUESTION, BECAUSE NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GET LITTLE VERBIAGE AND THEN YOU REMEMBER IT, BECAUSE THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND I'M GOING TO CALL ON THE TWO CHRIS' HERE, WAS THAT THEN PART OF IT IS THAT, OH, SO VETERANS PARK IS GOING TO BE A CITY EXPENDITURE.

YOU REMEMBER THAT, RIGHT? AND IT WAS, YES.

SO IN OUR MIND, VETERANS PARK IS COMING OFF OF OURS.

ONCE AGAIN IT WAS JUST CONVERSATION.

SO I'M LOOKING HERE BECAUSE I SAW THIS SAME CIP AND I DON'T REMEMBER DEALING WITH WHAT YEAR VETERANS WAS.

AND I WANT US TO DO VETERANS.

I'M NOT SAYING LET'S DON'T, BUT IT WAS LIKE WE GOT PERMISSION THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A CITY THING AND NOT AN ABLC THING.

SO I'M LIKE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU TO MOVE IT TO A DIFFERENT YEAR IF IT'S NOT ON MY PLATE.

SO I DID BRING IT TO THE CITY.

OKAY. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BOND AND THE DIRECTION WAS, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

OKAY. SO I FOLLOWED THAT DIRECTION AND I SAID I WOULD TAKE THAT TO THE COUNCIL FOR PARTNERSHIP AND THAT'S.

THAT'S WHERE WE OKAY, GOTCHA. THEN DO WE GET TO MAKE THAT MOTION HERE NOW? ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY.

CHARLYN WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT VETERANS PARK BE MOVED BACK AT LEAST TO 23.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ENDED UP LIKE THEY DID, BUT IT NEEDS TO GO BACK AT LEAST ONE YEAR, I GUESS.

ONE YEAR, MAYBE TOO SHORT A TIME FRAME.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET A PARKING PLACE AND WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE ABIGAIL PARK AND WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED THAT.

RIGHT. SO WE MAY NOT EVEN GET DESIGN DEVELOPMENT UNTIL WHO KNOWS WHEN, BUT SHE'S GOING TO DO HER SURVEYS AND DO SOME THINGS.

AND THEN WE GO TO GO OUT FOR A BOND BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE IN HERE, WHICH ISN'T AN ACCURATE NUMBER, BUT THEY PROJECTED 2,100,000 FOR THAT PARK.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT BIG WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING BUT.

WELL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. RIGHT.

WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE GO THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMPONENTS ARE GOING TO BE SO.

YEAH. OKAY. NO, BUT I'M JUST TEASING.

I MEAN, IT'S A STAGE OR AN AMPHITHEATER PROBABLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

YOU BUILD STUFF. HOW MUCH IS DIRT? WELL, DIRT'S CHEAP.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON. ARE YOU GOING TO TERRACE IT LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT? BUT MY IDEA THAT MAY BE A LITTLE QUICKER.

MY THOUGHT IS, WHAT IF WE GO AHEAD AND PLACE OUR PRIORITIES? WE'RE GOING TO FINISH LAKESIDE, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON ANOTHER PROJECT AND SPEAKERS] WE CAN'T BOND ANYWAY.

RIGHT. BUT GO AHEAD AND SAY LAKESIDE HERE THEN WE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN GIVE IT A YEAR NOW, BUT THEN ABIGAIL PARK AND THEN ARE WE.

WE HAVE A NEED TO BUILD SOME BIG BALL FIELDS.

MAYBE WE CAN'T DO THE SAME.

THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION THAT IS PROJECTED FOR THE FREEDOM PARK WILL PROBABLY BE 7.9 BASED ON 20% INCREASES WE'RE SEEING BY THE TIME WE DO IT.

SO WE MAY ONLY BE ABLE TO DO ELEMENTS, DO A BIG BALL FIELD, DO SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN A CONSENSUS AMONG THE BASEBALL ASSOCIATION FOR YEARS.

THEY NEED A NEW BIG FIELD.

SO WHERE DOES VETERANS FIT IN THERE? THEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE NEEDS.

HOW MANY PEOPLE REALLY USE VETERANS? 20 HOURS A YEAR WE HAVE CONCERT IN THE PARK.

THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY TIME IT TAKES AND YOUR HUSBAND SAID THE PORT OR THE TEMPORARY STAGE

[02:35:06]

YOU KNOW THAT'S WHY YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS SO LONG YOU ACTUALLY DO THIS REALLY REALLY WELL .

THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO.

BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO TO ME, WHY DON'T WE START WITH WHAT WE KNOW WE COMMITTED TO? WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION. DON'T THROW SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AND THROW US OFF TRACK. BUT SAYING WHAT YEAR? I DON'T KNOW THAT YET.

TO ME, VETERANS GOES BEHIND FREEDOM.

YES. OR AT LEAST TO THE BALL FIELDS.

YES. COULD YOU AGREE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OUT THERE, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. AND I'M OF THE SAME MINDSET AND I THINK YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND BOND THIS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BOND TO START KNOCKING THINGS OFF. IF WE CAN KNOCK THINGS OFF.

I'M WITH YOU, CHARLYN. THAT I'M OKAY WITH MOVING MORE MONEY AWAY FROM ABLC TO THE GENERAL FUND IF THE MONEY IS GOING INSTEAD OF BEING BONDED INCREASING THE I&S RATE IT'S GOING AND GETTING SOME OF THIS STUFF DONE.

OR GOING OUT FOR A BOND TO PAY FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR A PARK.

EXACTLY. OKAY SO THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEP. OKAY.

SO. BUT THESE THINGS GET REVISITED EVERY YEAR, RIGHT, MEGAN? SO MOVE IT OUT OF THIS YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT MOVES TO.

WHEN IS IT YOU NEED THIS? OH, WE'LL REVISIT IN APRIL.

WE WILL REVISIT IN JUNE.

JUNE IS WHEN WE HISTORICALLY HAVE BROUGHT YOU A FIRM PRELIMINARY BUDGET, BECAUSE THEN WE GO, WE TAKE YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND REVISIONS, WE REVISE IT BEFORE IT'S PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. WE MEET WITH CITY COUNCIL IN JULY.

WE COME BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL IN AUGUST, AND THEN IT GETS WHEN WE HAVE A QUORUM.

I GOT YOU. I'LL HAVE TO START TWISTING ARMS AND GETTING THOSE PEOPLE HERE.

AND THEN IT GETS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER.

CAN YOU SEND THIS TO THE PARKS AND ABLC IN MORE IN ADVANCE FOR US TO JUST SIT DOWN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, LIKE DOING THIS RIGHT NOW, WE REALLY HADN'T HAD TIME TO STUDY IT.

BUT IF WE HAVE SOME A LITTLE MORE ADVANCED TIME AND IT MAY BE A MONTH, MAYBE TWO MONTHS, YOU COULD SEND IT OUT TOMORROW.

BUT WHERE WE CAN IDENTIFY AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS, I THINK THERE'S THE THREE KNOWNS THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO FIRST, BUT GIVE US A LITTLE TIME TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND SEE WHERE IT ABSOLUTELY. YES.

YEAH. WELL, AND THEN THE COOL THING IS THAT GIVES US JUST A LITTLE LONGER TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS SALES TAX DOING? SURE. SO PARKS BOARD DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, YEAH, THAT WAS.

WHAT SOME OF MY COMMENTS WERE, I NOTICED THERE WERE FOUR PARKS THAT HAD A LINE ITEM FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IN 21 AND 22.

THAT'S ON THE LAST TWO PAGES.

WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT CIP.

YES. OKAY. AND ONE, YOU HAD VETERANS, YOU HAD SOUTH SIDE AND YOU HAD DOG PARK AND YOU HAD REUBEN WELCH.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE EVEN PLANNING ON DOING FOR REUBEN WELLS.

YEAH, I HAVE THAT ACTUALLY MARKED OUT BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT.

RIGHT. SO I WAS BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ALL I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THAT.

AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL BASED ON THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES AND THE MASTER PLAN.

SO IF IT WAS A SHORT TERM GOAL, THEN YES, IT'S THAT IS 1 TO 3 YEARS WHEN WE ADOPTED IT IN 2019, THE MID-TERM GOALS ARE THE 4 TO 6 YEARS.

SO IT ALL FALLS WITHIN THESE FISCAL YEARS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT.

I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ISSUE THE AMOUNT OF DEBT TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WITHIN A MID-TERM RANGE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXTEND BEYOND THAT.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE SAME THOUGHT THAT I HAD, WAS THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON ONE AT A TIME. SURE. OR TWO AT A TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IF WE DO GO OVER BUDGET AND IT GETS CONFUSING TO KEEP UP WITH IT.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THE PARKS BOARD COULD SIT DOWN AND PRIORITIZE WHAT WE THINK THE ORDER SHOULD BE.

AND SO WE CAN SEND OUT THIS SCHEDULE ALONG WITH THE DEBT SCHEDULE THIS WEEK AND IN PREPARATION FOR THE GENERAL MEETING IN APRIL.

SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK AT THAT TIME.

YEAH, BECAUSE YOU PUSHED FREEDOM PARK MASTER PLAN TO 24, 25, WHICH WAS WAY PAST ALL THESE OTHER PARKS.

AND THAT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING AT ALL OF FREEDOM WHERE WE.

MASTER PLAN'S BEEN DONE.

[02:40:02]

OKAY, WE CAN THAT'S WHAT I ASSUMED IT WAS, BUT.

SURE. YEAH. SO IT'S 24, 25 AND ALL THESE OTHER ONES WERE 21, 22 AND I YEAH.

YEAH. THOSE NUMBERS REALLY HADN'T BEEN JIVING WITH WHAT'S REALITY.

WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE PRIORITY.

YEAH, I GUESS I AGREE THAT I THOUGHT WE THOUGHT THAT SOUTHSIDE WAS NUMBER ONE THEN FREEDOM AND THEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF VETERANS WAS EVEN ON OUR RADAR REALLY BECAUSE I MEAN IS THE NEXT ONE BUT.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN WE DISCUSSED KIND OF THE ORDER THAT IT WAS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.

DISCONNECT. IT WASN'T ANYTHING Y'ALL DID.

I'M JUST SAYING WE DIDN'T IMPLEMENT THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED.

WE JUST DISCUSSED THEM.

AND SO YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT? LIKE I SAID, AND NOT ANYTHING YOU GOT THE STAFF IS DOING.

IT WAS JUST IN OUR MIND WE WERE TALKING AND SO WE ASSUMED THINGS WOULD CORRECT AND WE MAY NOT HAVE COMMUNICATED WELL THAT IT WAS BASED ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT STRATEGIC PLAN THE ATTEMPT IS TO GET AS MUCH DONE AS YOU CAN TRULY IN A 1 TO 5 PERIOD, THEY RECOMMEND THAT YOU START LOOKING AND REVISING THE MASTER PLAN AFTER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE HAVE SO FEW OF THESE PROJECTS IN THAT LATER PORTION OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THAT WAS POORLY COMMUNICATED ON OUR PART.

OK. AND CHARLYN, YOU DON'T NEED TO APOLOGIZE WHEN YOU SCRUTINIZE OUR BUDGET.

YOU'RE LIKE. YOU'RE LIKE, OUR.

YEAH, I KNOW YOU DO A LOT, BUT IT'S APPRECIATED.

SO YOU DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE SHE'S OUR NUMBERS PERSON.

NOTED. NOTED.

OKAY. I GUESS.

I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS CONTINUING TO SUBSIDIZE THE REC CENTER.

I MEAN, WHAT CAN WE DO TO PUT SOME BRAKES ON THAT AND KYLES GOT SOME IDEAS.

WELL, NO. WELL, THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE ABOUT HOW TO MAYBE CHANGE THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT BETTER MATCH WHAT THE USAGE IS.

LOOK AT PROGRAMS AND LOOK AT MEMBERSHIPS.

AND IN THE SAME TIME, IF YOU CLOSE IT WHEN IT'S OR YOU SHUT IT DOWN EARLY OR OPEN IT AT DIFFERENT PERIODS, THEN YOU CAN CONTROL YOUR LABOR COST AND YOUR UTILITY COSTS BY NOT HAVING IT OPEN AT REALLY UNPRODUCTIVE TIME.

AND THAT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SO.

I THINK LAST TIME WE HAD THE MEETING, I THINK KYLE BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO THE ABLC ABOUT HOW TO GROW THE BUSINESS BASICALLY, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM LIKE SCAN CODES, TO EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND I THINK JUST PRETTY MUCH TRIMMING THE FAT, JUST MAKING IT BE MORE OF A BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SUBSIDIZED.

AND SO WITH ANY BUSINESS, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE A PROFIT.

AND IF WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE A PROFIT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE JUST LIMIT OUR LOSSES. AND I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WE HAD THE ABLC MEETING.

THANK YOU. CHRIS AND CHARLYN.

DO YOU ALL REMEMBER ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE? WHENEVER IT WAS FIRST OPENED WAS COVERED BY A ABLC? I HAVE THOSE OLD FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AT MY HOUSE I'M JUST WONDERING. RIGHT. BECAUSE SAY IF IT'S 200,000 DOLLARS.

FOR THE FIRST THREE, FOUR YEARS NOW, DON'T.

I'M NOT GOING TO SELL MY KID OVER THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

OK. BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH.

WELL, THE FIRST YEAR, I THINK WE ACTUALLY MADE MONEY.

EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE A MEMBER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT. SO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED THE FIRST YEAR IS I DON'T THINK IT LOST ANY MONEY BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE IN THE NEW THING.

IT'S A NEW BUILDING IT'S LOW COST. IT WAS BRAND NEW AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE A MEMBER.

IT WAS EASY.

AND THEN WE FELL INTO THIS.

IT WAS LIKE 200 TO 250,000 AND 200, TO 250,000.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BIG REPAIRS BECAUSE YOU GOT A NEW BUILDING.

RIGHT. OKAY.

SO WE ALSO CONCEPTUALLY AGREED THAT IF THERE WAS A BIG EXPENSE THAT REALLY IT SHOULD COME OUT OF THE ABLC BECAUSE WE CREATED THIS LINE ITEM.

SO THEN WHEN THE ROOF AND THE AIR CONDITIONER STARTS GOING AND THOSE GET EXPENSIVE.

WELL EVEN THE DOOR, THE SLIDING DOORS IN FRONT, ALL THE VARIOUS THINGS, IF YOU LOOK OVER THE YEARS IS MILLIONS.

SO FIRST YEAR ALMOST I BET IT DIDN'T LOSE MONEY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE TIME AND

[02:45:01]

BUT IT WAS AROUND THAT.

BUT THAT WAS WHAT, 15 YEARS AGO NOW.

YEAH. SO 15 YEARS AGO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE RAISED THE MEMBERSHIP PRICES MUCH.

SO 15 YEARS AGO, EX MADE NO LOSS, MAYBE A PROFIT.

15 YEARS LATER, IF YOU DON'T RELOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO PAY AND IF IT'S NOT, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO RAISE PRICES.

YOU DO. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING INCREASE IT BY.

SO WHEN IT HIT $775,000 DOLLARS I SAID IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.

IT FINANCIALLY IS NO LONGER SUSTAINABLE.

AND AT THE SAME TIME IS WHEN WE GOT HIT WITH 50% OF THE PARK'S SALARY ON ADDITION TO THAT. SO WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING.

WE DON'T WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY.

WELL, EVEN JOE MORROW WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES TOLD US THAT THAT WAS HE POINTED OUT JOHN WAS SITTING HERE WHEN I ASKED HIM, IT SAID THIS EXTRA AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GAVE US OUR LAST BOND, THAT WASN'T IN THERE.

SO IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET A BOND BUT.

YEAH. WHEN WE TALKED, WE DECIDED WE CAN'T DO FREEDOM PARK BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A BOND.

AND HE SAID, YES. EVEN THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST MONTH, WHENEVER CHRIS HILL SAID NO, WE HAVE TO PAUSE.

AND A BIG PART OF IT WAS WE CHANGED WHERE WE ADDED THIS BIG DEBT.

AND SO THAT'S ON OUR BALANCE SHEET.

SO WHEN THEY ANALYZE WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, THEY SAID THAT WE TOOK A HIT AND IT WAS BUT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT BIG NUMBER WASN'T ON THERE.

AND SO WHEN WE ADDED THAT SOME YEARS BACK, IT CHANGED WHAT WE CAN QUALIFY FOR I GUESS, SO TO SPEAK. SO BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE HAVE ANOTHER BOND IS WHAT WE DO.

WE HAVE A BOND TO PAY THAT PAYROLL, PLUS WE HAVE A BOND PAYMENT TO PAY THE NEGATIVE OPERATIONS OF THE REC CENTER.

AND SO WHEN YOU RUN THOSE FORECASTS, YOU CAN'T BOND OUT FOR MUCH.

AND WHY GO THROUGH ALL THE EXPENSE AND THE TROUBLE OF DOING THAT FOR MINIMUM PAYBACK.

AND ALL THESE PLACES DO THAT.

LAKE JACKSON WENT THROUGH A CERTAIN AREA OF OBSOLESCENCE.

WHEN YOU GET AN OLDER BUILDING, YOU HAVE STALE CLASSES, YOU HAVE STALE FEATURES IN THERE AND YOU UPGRADE IT, WHICH WE DID SOME A FEW YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, WE REPAINTED, WE RESURFACED.

WE DID A LOT OF STUFF IN THE NATATORIUM AREA AND A FEW OTHER THINGS AND CURTAINS IN THE GYM, OTHER STUFF. BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE WE CAN DO.

BUT IT TAKES MONEY AND IT'S HARD FOR TO DO THAT.

AND WHAT I LOOK AT IS LONG TERM, KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE CITY LOOKS AT WITH ALL THE PEOPLE COME IN IF WE INCREASE OUR POPULATION, I THINK LINDSAY SAID BY 50% MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE PARKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GROW SIGNIFICANTLY ALONG WITH THE CITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES WITH SEWER, REPAIRS, ALL THAT. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LONG TERM IF WE NEED TO, WE'RE GOING TO NEED 3 MILLION FOR LAKESIDE, 5 MILLION FOR ABIGAIL PARK, SIX AND A HALF FOR FREEDOM PARK.

AND THEN THE NEW GROWTH MAY TAKE WE MAY NEED ANOTHER 25 OR 30 MILLION.

SO WE NEED TO BE THESE 500,000 HERE AND 500,000 THERE LIMITS WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO I THINK THIS BOARD HAS TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE WHEN WE HAVE A LOT MORE KIDS AND WE HAVE TO SEND LITTLE LEAGUE PLAYERS OR SOFTBALL PLAYERS OR SOCCER PLAYERS TO DANBURY OR LAKE JACKSON OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIELDS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOMEHOW HOW TO CATCH UP ON THAT.

SO ALL THESE LITTLE MONEY OUTFLOWS IN THE GENERAL FUND, ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING TO IMPACT WHAT WE CAN SERVE THE CITY WITH JUST LIKE Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT.

SO IF THERE'S A WAY AND I THINK KYLE HAS A GOOD PROGRAM, WHAT HE DESCRIBED AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE ON THE PATH TO TRY TO CORRECT THOSE ISSUES.

SO HOPEFULLY HE CAN TURN AROUND, OR WE'LL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO AT THE REC CENTER BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT IS LIKE AN ALBATROSS AROUND OUR NECK IS THAT CONSTANT EXPENSE EVERY YEAR.

BUT THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO IS START FROM THERE.

AND KYLE MADE A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION WHEN HE WAS WALKING ME AROUND IS YOU WALK INTO A FACILITY AND IF IT'S NOT WELL LIT, WHICH IT'S NOT, THERE'S A LOT OF LIGHTS THAT NEED TO BE ATTENDED TO OVER THERE.

YOU MAKE A GOOD PRESENTATION TO NEW FAMILIES COMING INTO TOWN AND THEY'LL SIGN UP.

I MEAN, GRANTED, THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME FREE TIME, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG ARE THEY WHAT IS IT CALLED? COMMUTING.

I DON'T COMMUTE, SO I FORGET.

BUT THEY'LL COME AND THEY'LL BE A PART OF THAT EVENT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU OFFER A PROGRAM AND THE PROGRAM TIES THEM TO THE REC CENTER AND THEN YOU'VE GOT EVENTS THAT HAPPEN THERE OR THERE'S CLASSES THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO.

BUT YOU'VE GOT TO SPRUCE IT UP, YOU GOT TO KEEP IT NICE SO PEOPLE COME AND THEY WANT TO BE PART OF IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS IF THE CITY OF ANGLETON KEEPS PUSHING OFF

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IF YOU GUYS TRY TO PUT OFF TOO MUCH OF A TAX INCREASE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL AFTER THEY'RE HERE AND THEN WE'LL GET IT TO THEM, WELL, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE UPSET.

THEN PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY HERE ARE UPSET.

THAT'S WHY YOU JUST DO IT A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME.

JUST LIKE RAISE THE MEMBERSHIP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

AND IT'S NOT SO NOTICEABLE BECAUSE THEN YOU GET SO FAR BEHIND THE BALL THAT YOU CAN'T GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT. AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO DO OR, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GET IN OR I WENT IN THERE AND IT DIDN'T LOOK AS NICE AS WE WANT IT TO LOOK SO THAT PEOPLE ARE, LIKE, EXCITED ABOUT COMING IN.

IT'S YOU SELLIN THE HOUSE, YOU UPGRADE IT, WE'RE SELLING ANGLETON, WE GOT TO UPGRADE IT AND IT COSTS MONEY TO DO THAT.

AND HOPEFULLY COVID BEING, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN ABNORMAL.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE SALES TAX FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS AND AND THEN THINGS WILL TURN AROUND.

WE JUST WHEN IS OUR WHEN IS THAT BOND PAID OFF FOR THE REC CENTER.

HOW MANY YEARS? THREE YEARS.

BECAUSE IT'S YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT FAR AWAY RIGHT? WHICH ONE. THE REC CENTER BOND.

OH WELL WE'VE ALREADY REFUNDED THAT.

YEAH. I THINK IT'S JUST THE AC UNITS.

ARE THERE NOTES FOR THE OLD DEBT, THE OLD DEBT IS THE AC UNITS LIKE 700 OR AM I? YEAH. DOES IT LIST THAT? SO YEAH. SO THERE YOU GO.

THAT'S WHEN THE DEBT WILL FALL OFF.

NOT THAT FAR AWAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I GUESS. THAT WAS GOOD CONVERSATION.

BUT THAT HELPS US ALSO DETERMINE A REALISTIC TIMELINE FOR THE CIP PROJECTS.

SO YEAH. IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE SOME COLUMNS AROUND.

YEP. ONCE WE MAKE A MOTION.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

NOT JUST CONVERSATION.

AND YOU MAY NOT EVEN NEED MUCH.

THEY GOT DIRECTION NOW THAT YOU KNOW THE DIRECTION.

WELL, WHAT WE WILL DO FOR THE ACTUAL CIP.

LIKE I MENTIONED, TO SEND THAT OUT TO YOU ALONG WITH THE DEBT SCHEDULE THAT YOU ALL JUST LOOKED AT SO THAT COMMENTS FROM ALL OF ABLC AND PARKS BOARD CAN BE GIVEN.

WE'LL BRING ALL THE COMMENTS TOGETHER SO THAT AT THE APRIL MEETING YOU'LL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EVERYONE HAS EXPRESSED.

WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S REAL HELPFUL FOR PARKS BOARD TO SEE THAT PAY OFF BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO IS WE GET SALES TAX AND THAT'S ALL WE CAN SPEND.

SO, YOU KNOW.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BONDS GET STARTED TO GET PAID DOWN, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE MORE MARGIN OF ABOUT ABOUT $1.6 MILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY BEEN GETTING THAT WE CAN SPEND. BUT IF YOU'RE SPENDING 800,000 OF THAT ON THE REC AND THEN ANOTHER 350 ON YEAH. AND CAN YOU SUPPLY US WITH AN INDEX ON YOUR ACRONYMS? I WAS READING ONE OF YOUR.

SORRY. [LAUGHTER] I KNOW WHAT ARC IS NOW? I KNOW, IT'S SOME OF THE OTHERS. BUT SOMETIMES IN HER E-MAILS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT JEFF WAS SAYING EARLIER, JEFFREY.

HE WAS EXPLAINING THAT WHATEVER.

BUT I COULD TELL IT WAS SOME STANDARD THAT INDUSTRY WANTED FOR RIGHT. NO JUST IT'S FUN FIGURING IT OUT.

OKAY. I THINK WE'RE TO THE END.

I THINK WE ARE. I'M STARVING [LAUGHTER].

ACTUALLY MY STOMACH'S GROWLING.

OH BLESS YOUR HEART.

NIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.

[LAUGHTER] WELL, I HOPE SO. 12:30.

EARLY NIGHT. OKAY.

SO I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO THE LAST ITEM.

ADJOURNMENT. WILL SHOW US ADJOURNED ABLC MEETING AT 8:28.

THANK YOU ALL. AND THEN CHRIS WILL DO.

ADJOURN PARKS BOARD MEETING 8:28.

THERE WE GO.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.