Jul 07, 2022 Planning & Zoning Commission

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OKAY, EVERYBODY, WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL CALL A MEETING TO ORDER, 7TH OF JULY 2022.

[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]

[1. Discussion and possible action on the meeting minutes prepared for the Commission's review of the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting held on June 02, 2022.]

WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 2ND MEETING.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED. I DIDN'T ASSUME THERE WOULD BE ANY DISCUSSION.

SO WE SKIPPED THAT DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT OF ANGLETON PARK

[2. Discussion and possible action a recommendation for the preliminary replat of Angleton Park Place Section 1.]

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

JUST REAL QUICK ON THE MINUTES.

IT WENT SO FAST. WE MISSED WHO MADE THE MOTION AND WHO SECONDED IT.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF SECTION ONE OF THE ANGLETON PARK PLACE PROJECT WENT THROUGH BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL, AND IT WAS APPROVED.

SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TRYING TO GET ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT EXTENDING GIFFORD ROAD DOWN THE AT LEAST PART OF THE WAY DOWN THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROJECT.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT PROCESS THERE DECIDED TO CHANGE THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEY FELT THAT THEY NEEDED TO ADD A COUPLE OF MORE LOTS IN ORDER TO HELP OFFSET THE COSTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THAT.

SO ORIGINALLY THE ENTRANCE WAS OFF OF PHILIPS ROAD.

AND THAT ENTRANCE HAS BEEN MOVED.

DOWN INTO THE PROJECT AND WE'LL BE ON GIFFORD ROAD.

BUT A NUMBER OF LOTS IN THE FIRST PHASE IS 29, WHICH IS JUST LESS THAN THE 30 THAT THE CODE REQUIRES TO HAVE A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE DESIGN, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT WHEN THE SECOND PHASE COMES IN AND REQUIRES THAT SECONDARY ACCESS.

THAT'S WHEN THAT THAT SOUTHERN STREET WILL BE CONNECTED TO GIFFORD ROAD, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE EXTENSION OF GIFFORD ROAD WILL ONLY BE TO JUST SOUTH OF THE ENTRANCE OFF OF GIFFORD ROAD.

SO BECAUSE THE REMAINDER OF THE ROAD ISN'T NECESSARY FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT UNTIL THE NEXT SECTIONS HAPPEN.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSAL.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I'M TRYING TO DECIDE IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND.

BASICALLY, IT'S BECAUSE OF I MOVE, WE ACCEPT IT.

SO MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

JUST A PROCEDURAL POINT YOU MADE.

YOU SHOULD PROBABLY ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

THE APPLICANT, ANYWAY.

WE'LL TAKE THE DISCUSSION AFTER WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S JUST A PRELIMINARY PLAT, CORRECT? YES. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

OKAY. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

NOW, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? UH, YEAH, MY NAME'S [INAUDIBLE] WILL BAKER AND LAWSON IF ANYONE'S GOT QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THEM, SO.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE THE ONE TO ANSWER THIS, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE DEVELOPERS WHO ULTIMATELY WOULD ANSWER IT.

BUT AS I'M UNDERSTANDING, THE REASON WE'RE CHANGING THIS IS JUST FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO CHANGE

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BUT IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO DO THIS IN STAGES INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME.

THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS PHASED THIS PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, MIKE MORGAN, HE CAN SPEAK FOR IT.

BUT YES, WE DID CHANGE THE PLAT TO ADD MORE LOTS TO OFFSET IT OFF OF GIFFORD ROAD AND BUILDING OF REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO WITH THIS SUBDIVISION, IF A ROAD HAS TO GET BUILT OUT REGARDLESS.

APPRECIATE. THANK YOU.

AM I SEEING THIS RIGHT? ARE THESE LOTS 40 FOOT LOTS ? YES, THEY ARE AND THAT'S THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THE MANUFACTURED HOME SUBDIVISION.

I MEAN, MANUFACTURED HOMES ZONING DISTRICT.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT. GOT IT [INAUDIBLE].

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? THERE'S A MOTION IN THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, AYE.

OPPOSED. NONE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

[3. Discussion and possible action on a proposed land plan for property located on the southwest corner of CR 220 and SH 288B.]

THERE'S A PROCEDURE UNDER THE CHAPTER 23 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHERE A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT CAN VEST TO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE PROJECT BY WAY OF THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS THAT THEY PRESENT THE INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO VEST TO.

AND BY VESTING, I MEAN THAT IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES WHAT THEY'RE WANT TO BE VESTED TO.

THEN THAT MEANS THEY CAN GO FORWARD.

AND THE CITY HAS SAID, OKAY, TO THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE VESTED.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS, IS THIS LAND PLAN RIGHT HERE.

WHICH IS FOR A NUMBER OF USES.

SELF-STORAGE, A GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE, SOME STRIP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK.

AS YOU READ IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S CERTAIN IT WOULD BE PREMATURE BASICALLY TO VEST THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE THERE ARE ASPECTS OF IT THAT CAN'T THE CITY CAN'T VEST TO, WHICH IS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS TO.

BUSINESS 288 AND COUNTY ROAD 220.

AND SOME OF THE REST OF THE DETAILS THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE REST OF THE PROCESS.

THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HAD SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY AND DURING THE DISCUSSION WITH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THAT ANNEXATION.

I BROUGHT UP THIS PROCESS IN ORDER TO SO THAT THE DEVELOPERS COULD GET AN IDEA OF WHETHER THE CITY WAS GOING TO ALLOW THE PROPOSED LAND USES, BECAUSE WHEN A PROPERTY IS ANNEXED, IT GETS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REZONING THE PROPERTY AND THE USES HERE.

THE CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION, THE COMMERCIAL AND THE SELF-STORAGE.

THAT WOULD ALL BE PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.

BUT THE MANUFACTURED HOME PARK WOULD REQUIRE THE MANUFACTURED HOME ZONING DISTRICT AND ZONING IS NOT A BUY RIGHT KIND OF THING THAT YOU CAN ASK FOR.

THAT'S A DISCRETIONARY ITEM THAT THE CITY CAN DECIDE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO REZONE THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THAT USE.

SO WHILE DISCUSSING THE ANNEXATION REQUESTS.

THIS PROCESS WAS BROUGHT UP SO THAT THE DEVELOPERS COULD KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEIR PROPOSED LAND USE MIX WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHY THE STAFF REPORT IS WRITTEN THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, WHICH IS THAT YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ANY MOTION YOU MAKE SOLELY ON THE PROPOSED

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THEY CAN STILL PROCEED WITH DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

SO THESE ARE THIS IS PART OF WHAT YOU'RE BALANCING HERE, IS THAT THE CITY HAS A LIMITED CAPACITY IN THE WATER SYSTEM TO SERVE PROPERTIES AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN.

HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE CITY'S CURRENT LAND USE PLAN? WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU KNOW THE LAND USE MIX THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO APPROVE IS NOT WHAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT ASPIRATIONS ARE.

IT MEANS IT'S NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

SO THEN YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.

SO YOU'VE GOT A NUMBER OF FACTORS HERE THAT YOU HAVE TO BALANCE TO MAKE A DECISION ON A RECOMMENDATION.

I DON'T ENVY YOU ALL THAT PARTICULAR JOB, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO JUST THE PROPOSED LAND USES.

IF THE LAND USES TURN OUT TO BE ACCEPTABLE, THEN THE REST OF THE PROCESS, THE ZONING PROCESS, THE REGULATIONS IN THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS ARE BETTER ABLE TO BE APPLIED TO THE PROJECT.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. QUESTIONS? THERE ARE FOUR LAND USE.

SO CAN THE COMMISSION APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THREE OR TWO.

WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ALL, PART, OR NONE.

IT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION IF YOU LIKE I SAID, IF YOU THINK THAT SOME OF THESE LAND USES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION OR ALL OF THEM, YOU CAN RECOMMEND THAT NONE OF THOSE LAND USES SHOULD BE PERMITTED THERE.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPER CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO COUNCIL AND THEN DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE ANNEXATION BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T DO THEM ANY GOOD TO BE ANNEXED IN THE CITY IF THEY CAN'T DO THE PROJECT THAT THEY ENVISION DOING.

SURE. I HAVE A QUESTION.

IS IS THIS PROJECT IS THIS PROJECT THE SAME PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT? WHERE AS OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT, THEY'VE GOT TO SET UP THEIR OWN WATER AND SEWER.

AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE ENDED UP WITH.

THE RUNOFF TO OR THE DISCHARGE TO BASTROP BIO AND THERE WERE HEARINGS.

IS THIS THE SAME PROPERTY? THIS IS NOT THE SAME PROPERTY.

THAT PROPERTY WAS AT COUNTY ROAD 288 AND COUNTY ROAD 220 SO THAT'S FURTHER TO THE WEST.

IT'S ALSO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THAT PROJECT WAS NAMED THE RESERVE.

LONG STORY SHORT ON THAT IS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO CONNECT TO THE CITY'S WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, AND THE COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOW THOSE CONNECTIONS.

AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THEIR PROJECT, THEY'VE NOW GOT TO PROVIDE ONSITE, ONSITE WATER AND SEWER SERVICE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.

OKAY? YEAH. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR NOT.

YEAH.

I'M NOT SURE HOW I REALLY FEEL ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT.

I'M OKAY WITH THE COMMERCIAL.

UM. WELL.

THE BUSINESS ITSELF.

COUNCIL DIDN'T APPROVE THE MOBILE HOME PARK ON THE UP AROUND.

ON THE NORTH SIDE.

AND THOSE [INAUDIBLE]. I CAN'T IMAGINE.

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SO WE'RE NOT PREVENTING SOMEBODY FROM THAT THAT SOCIOECONOMIC OR DESIRE.

WE'RE NOT PREVENTING THEM.

I GUESS I DIDN'T EVEN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

THE TWO THINGS THAT GIVE ME CONCERN OR HEARTBURN IS ONE.

TAKING THAT INTO THE CITY, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, UTILITIES, SERVICES THAT LIMITS AVAILABILITY FOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT.

DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? THAT'S THE CONCERN ON ONE SIDE.

THE OTHER IS IF IT'S NOT ANNEXED, WE LOSE CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT CORNER.

RIGHT. SO.

AGAIN, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE I FEEL, HOW I FEEL.

OF THESE OPTIONS.

WELL, AND JUST BECAUSE WE WHAT'S THE WORD.

AND JUST BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND FOR VESTING PURPOSES, JUST IF WE WERE TO APPROVE FOR VESTING PURPOSES, LET'S SAY THE COMMERCIAL USE STRIP COMMERCIAL.

NONE OF THE OTHERS.

WHAT DOES THAT. DOES THAT MEAN IT CAN ONLY BE USED THEN FOR COMMERCIAL USE OR.

CAN THEY REFUSE IT AND STILL DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ANYWAY? DID YOU HEAR MY QUESTION? YEAH. OKAY.

YES, COMMERCIAL USE IS A GENERAL CATEGORY.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO REZONE IT TO A PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT IN ORDER TO DO COMMERCIAL USES THERE.

AND THE ZONING DISTRICT WILL HAVE THOSE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED TO BE DONE THERE.

SO, YES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT ON THE GENERAL SIDE, BUT THE ACTUAL USES ARE DETERMINED BY THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT GETS APPROVED ONTO THE PROPERTY.

SO. OBVIOUSLY.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THE THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES, IT'S LIKE SEVEN PAGES LONG OR MORE.

SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PICKING PARTICULAR USES.

YOU KNOW IT'S A MATTER OF, OKAY, IT'S COMMERCIAL.

WHAT WHAT IF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE IS ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL THAN THEY ASK FOR COMMERCIAL GENERAL OR IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL OR WHATEVER.

SO THE PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL USE IS DETERMINED BY THE ZONING AND THE PROPERTY.

MM HMM.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING THIS INTO MOBILE HOME PARKS OVER THERE AND ADDING MORE PRESSURE ONTO OUR WATER SYSTEM, WHICH IS IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN IT WAS.

BUT OUR SEWER SYSTEM HASN'T GOT UP TO RUN IN AND SPEED.

AND YOU'RE PUTTING AN AWFUL LOT MORE DOWN THERE.

THAT LOWER END DOWN THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.

YOU HAD TO SPEND SO MUCH EXTRA MONEY TO GET EVEN GIFFORD ROAD UP TO SPEED ONCE IT WAS ANNEXED.

WE HAD TO PUT IN THOSE EXTRA.

ALL OF THAT. WE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY AND I DON'T.

I DON'T EVER RECALL.

AND MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE THAT, YOU KNOW OF THAT WE'VE GOT EXTRA CAPACITY FOR THE SYSTEM THAT THEY BUILT TO BRING IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS 288.

BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE? ANYTHING THAT CAN CAN LEAD US IN A DIRECTION AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS NUMBER OF MOBILE HOMES AND THE FULL OCCUPANCY IS NOT GOING TO PRESSURE UP THAT SYSTEM OVER THERE. THE CAPACITY ISSUE IN THE SEWER SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.

NOW, IT'S IT'S BECAUSE OF ONE PARTICULAR LIFT STATION THAT IS AT THE GREATEST SIZE IT CAN BE RIGHT NOW.

AND IN ORDER FOR IT TO PUMP MORE THROUGH THE LIFT STATION, THAT'S THE SYSTEM ITSELF.

THE PIPES ITSELF WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE LARGER IN ORDER TO MAKE THE LIFT STATION LARGER.

SO FOR CAPACITY IN THE SEWER SYSTEM, THAT'S STILL REALLY GOOD ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

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BUT THE SEWER CAPACITY IS NOT AN ISSUE EXCEPT FOR THAT PART OF THE CITY THAT WOULD HAVE TO RUN THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR LIFT STATION.

BUT THE WATER IS GOOD.

NO. WE'RE LIMITED ON WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO WE'RE LIMITED ON THE WATER OUT THERE.

YES. SEWER IS GOOD.

WATER NOT SO GOOD.

OKAY. YES.

I MEAN, I'M. I'M SORRY I KNOW IT'S MY PERSONAL BIAS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WHOLE LOT MORE ON THIS BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BUILD A MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND IT'S CAUSING A LOT OF, AS YOU SAID, HEARTBURN ABOUT EVERYTHING.

AND UNTIL I DON'T THINK.

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I DON'T THINK THE STUDIES SHOULD BITE OFF MORE UTILITY PROBLEMS UNTIL WE RESOLVE WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON.

AND THAT'S MY MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

DENY ALL OR SOME OR NONE.

I'M GOING TO GO WITH ALL UNTIL I CAN GET A BETTER DEFINITION.

I MEAN. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY THAN INVESTING IT OR JUST DO IT PIECE BY PIECE, WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO START.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT AS AN APPOINTED PERSON, I'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

I THINK THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ELECTED NEED TO DECIDE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LEAD THIS COMMUNITY ON THAT SOUTH SIDE WITH ANNEXATION.

UNDERSTOOD. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE ALL UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE MOTION WAS.

OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY ALL FOUR COUNTS.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS RON [INAUDIBLE].

I'M WITH QUEST ENGINEERING.

AND WE BASICALLY LAID OUT THIS DESIGN AND WE HAD REQUESTED TO COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BASED ON INPUT THAT WE WERE READING AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON AND IMPLEMENT THE CITY REQUIREMENTS ENTIRELY.

WE HAVE IN EXCESS OF THE COMMON OPEN SPACE PARK AREA THAT WE NEED.

WE'VE MADE PROVISIONS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT'S ALSO TO THE SOUTH OF US TO TIE IN AND WORK JOINTLY WITH DRAINAGE.

SO THIS IS A GROUP EFFORT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT.

AND THE COMMERCIAL IS ONE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE.

THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING AREA IS A SECOND AREA.

WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF BOTH.

OR IF THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WISHES TO APPROVE JUST ONE.

BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, WHETHER IT MEETS CITY STANDARDS OR NOT.

REMEMBER THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE HIGHER STANDARDS THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE IN THE COUNTY.

AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE A DEVELOPMENT, MOVE FORWARD AT A QUALITY PACE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT.

IF IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, THEN WE HAVE TO PUT IN OUR OWN WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND THAT COSTS ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.

THOSE DOLLARS COULD HAVE BEEN PAID TO THE CITY THROUGH IMPACT FEES.

BUT IT'S GOING TO COST US EVEN MORE THAN THAT.

SO THAT MEANS THAT THE QUALITY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE AT THE LEVEL BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS THAT WE HAVE TOTAL FOR THIS PROJECT. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THE CITY CONTROL ON THE PROJECT MAKES SENSE TO PROVIDE A QUALITY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

SECONDLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY AND THE NEGATIVES.

AND YOU HAVE A UTILITY SYSTEM FOR WASTEWATER THAT CAN HANDLE IT FOR WATER.

YES, THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA, BUT THERE IS AN IMPACT FEE THAT THE CITY WILL IMPOSE ON THE DEVELOPER OF WHICH THEY WILL PAY.

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AND SO BUT WE ARE MAKING PROVISIONS TO WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH ABOUT INCORPORATING A SYSTEM THAT WILL WORK FOR BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS.

THAT'S THE NEGATIVE PART.

THE POSITIVE PART IS WHEN YOU ANNEX A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

YES. THERE'S SOME BENEFITS TO THE CITY IN THAT THERE IS A ASSESSED VALUATION THAT THE CITY CAN ADD TO ITS TAX ROLLS.

THE OTHER THING THAT THE CITY HAS IS SALES TAX COMING IN, AND THAT MAY BE OF SOME CONSIDERATION WHEN THE CITY LOOKS AT THE AT THE COMMERCIAL TRACT OF LAND.

SO THE OTHER ASPECT IS, IS THAT IS THE CITY.

EVEN CONSIDERING TO HELP THOSE WHO CANNOT BUY EXPENSIVE HOMES.

AND SO THERE'S THIS THERE'S THIS ONGOING CONCEPT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO BUY INTO A ON SITE ERECTED HOME.

THEY WILL HAVE A HOME THAT WILL BE MANUFACTURED SOMEPLACE, BROUGHT OVER, SAT ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION ANCHORED TO MEET THE WIND REQUIREMENTS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, IN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE, AND BE SKIRTED WITH MASONRY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, FOUR PARKING SPACES FOR EACH OF THE MODULAR HOMES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM WITHIN THAT THAT WILL MEET THE CITY REQUIREMENTS.

WE HAVE TWO ENTRANCES INTO THE MANUFACTURED HOME AREA BEING OFF OF COAL ROAD AND THE OTHER ONE OVER TO THE WEST.

SO AND WE'VE LOOKED AT LOOP ROADS IN THERE TRYING TO PROVIDE A QUALITY ENVIRONMENT.

TRASH PICKUP.

WE'RE LOOKING AT INDIVIDUALS HAVING A FURNISHED TRASH ENCLOSURE SO THEY CAN BRING THEIR TRASH TO THE CURBSIDE FOR PICKUP. COMMON DUMPSTERS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY DUMPING MATTRESSES AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE IN THERE FROM OUTSIDE THE SUBDIVISION AND FROM WITHIN.

MY EXPERIENCE WITH COMMON DUMPSTERS IN THESE FACILITIES IS THAT THEY ARE A MAJOR NUISANCE TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO INCREASE VALUATION, INCREASE THE CITY'S SALES TAX REVENUE, AND PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THIS PROJECT PROVIDES THAT ANSWER.

SO I REQUEST THAT YOU RECONSIDER DENYING AND MOVING FORWARD WITH US SO THAT WE HAVE THE TWO DISTRICTS, THE MANUFACTURED HOME DISTRICT, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT COMING INTO THE CITY, WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, WORKING WITH YOU AS WE FURTHER THIS PROJECT ALONG SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A QUALITY INSIDE THE CITY DEVELOPMENT.

THE DECISION OBVIOUSLY IS UP TO YOU ALL.

AND AS WALTER SAYS, I DON'T ENVY YOUR POSITION, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION AND SUPPORT A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I ALSO WOULD KIND OF ADD TO THAT, THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS A FAIRLY LONG HISTORY OF NOT FOLLOWING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE ONLY PROVIDE FOUR VOTES.

SO. BUT THANK YOU.

I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN DEVELOPING ANGLETON PROPERTIES.

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IS THERE ANY CHANGE IN THAT OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, AYE.

SO WE HAVE THREE, TO ONE.

AND YOU SHOULD BRING THAT SAME TALK TO CITY COUNCIL.

BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS COMPELLING.

THANK YOU. SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A MINOR

[4. Discussion and possible action on a minor plat application and variances for 12.390 acres in the J. De J. Valderas Survey, Abstract No. 380]

DE J. VALDERAS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 380.

TAKE IT AWAY, WALTER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THIS PROPERTY IS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF HENDERSON AND.

I ALWAYS FORGET THE NAME GLASGOW.

GLASGOW. REALLY IT SHOULD BE A NAME YOU SHOULD REMEMBER.

THE PROPERTIES IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER CAME IN AND MET WITH US ABOUT 2 TO 3 MONTHS AGO.

WE INSTRUCTED HIM THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AN EXTENSION OF WATER AND SEWER SERVICE TO SERVICE THE PROPERTIES.

THE PROPERTY COULDN'T BE SUBDIVIDED AS A MINOR PLAT BECAUSE OF THAT EXTENSION, BECAUSE BOTH CITY REGULATIONS AND STATE REGULATIONS DEFINE THAT A MINOR PLAT CAN ONLY BE DONE IF CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE MET.

AND ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA IS THAT THERE'S NO EXTENSION OF PUBLIC SERVICES.

SO IN THIS CASE, ONE OF THE LOTS THE NORTHERNMOST ONE WOULD NEED BOTH WATER AND SEWER SERVICE EXTENDED TO IT, AND THE SOUTHERNMOST LOT WOULD NEED SEWER SERVICE EXTENDED TO IT.

IN SPITE OF THAT, A MINOR PLAT APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED.

IT CAN'T BE PROCESSED AS A MINOR PLAT APPLICATION.

YOU HAVE THE COMPLETENESS DETERMINATION THAT I WROTE ABOUT THAT.

NO CONVERSION OF THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN DONE TO THE REQUIRED PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION.

AND IN FACT WHAT YOU HAVE IS SEVERAL VARIANCE REQUESTS, TWO OF WHICH ARE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE CODE AND ONE OF THEM APPEARS TO BE TO TRY AND DEFER THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS TO SOMETIME AFTER THE PLAT PROCESS. WELL, THE REASON THAT THESE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE PART OF THE PLAT PROCESS IS TO ENSURE THAT PROPERTIES IN THE CITY HAVE ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES REGARDLESS OF THE USE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THOSE PUBLIC SERVICES ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE NOT ONLY WATER FLOW BUT FIRE FLOW AND WATER PRESSURE AND CIRCULATION IN THE SYSTEM SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE DEAD END LINES THAT HAVE TO BE FLUSHED AND YOUR FLUSHING WATER OUT ON THE GROUND.

AND IN THIS CASE, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE IN AN EIGHT INCH SEWER LINE IN ORDER TO DEFER THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO SOME POINT IN TIME, THERE'S THERE'S A PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES ADDRESSING THAT WHICH IS IN YOUR BACKUP THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THE COST ESTIMATE AND A PERFORMANCE BOND TO ENSURE THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE INSTALLED, WHETHER THEY'RE BY THE DEVELOPER OR WHETHER THE CITY HAS TO TAKE THAT PERFORMANCE BOND IN ORDER TO INSTALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

IT PAINS ME THAT WE'RE THAT I HAVE TO BRING THIS TO YOU BECAUSE IT REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT IT CAN'T BE PROCESSED AS A MINOR PLAT IT CAN'T STAFF CAN'T SUPPORT THESE VARIANCES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF BOTH THE MINOR PLAT AND THE VARIANCES.

CLARKE. SORRY, BUT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I DENY THE MINOR PLAT AND ALL THE REQUESTED VARIANCES.

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IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DENY THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO EXTENSIONS THERE.

IF I READ THIS RIGHT, THEY HAVEN'T DETERMINED OTHER THAN STORAGE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE WHOLE PROPERTY.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S WATER GOING OUT THERE BECAUSE IT WATER APPARENTLY SEWER THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP 288.

THERE'S WATER AT HENDERSON.

CORRECT. THERE'S WATER LINE IN HENDERSON, OK.

ISN'T THERE A SEWER LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE AT 523, BECAUSE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN WE BUILT PEARL SNAPS FOR THE WATER AND ACROSS THE STREET OR ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FOR THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK.

AND PLUS, WE WE'VE EXTENDED SERVICES OUT TO WHAT WAS GOING TO BE A GAS PROCESSING, WHATEVER THE HECK THAT WAS INSULATING FOR CARS.

WE EXTENDED ALL THOSE SERVICES OUT THERE.

SO I DON'T GET.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENLIGHTEN ME.

WHERE WOULD WE STUBBING OUT AND HAVING TO FLUSH LINES WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT LINES RUNNING ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT? I REALIZE YOU'VE GOT TO CONNECT IN THERE, BUT.

IT SEEMS THAT IT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PORTION OF THAT.

IF IN ORDER TO TO EXTEND WATER TO THE SECOND LOT, IF YOU'RE TAKING IT FROM HENDERSON, THE EXTENSION ONLY HAS TO GO UNTIL THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS SHORT OF ANY OTHER WATER LINE TO THE NORTH.

SO THAT WOULD BE A STUB OUT.

DEPENDING ON WHERE THE SEWER LINE CAME FROM.

AND I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SPOTS WHERE A SEWER LINE COULD BE EXTENDED.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MATTER.

YOU KNOW, YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T FLUSH SEWER LINES.

YOU DON'T WANT RAW SEWAGE ON THE GROUND.

IT'S A GRAVITY SYSTEM.

UNLESS YOU NEED TO HAVE A LIFT STATION, GRINDER, PUMP, WHATEVER, IN ORDER TO GET IT TO MOVE.

SO THE SO THE SEWER SYSTEM IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE THAN THE WATER SYSTEM.

LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

WHERE DOES THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT GET THEIR WATER? I DON'T KNOW.

ARE THEY ON THEIR OWN PRIVATE SYSTEM THERE OR ARE THEY COMING OFF OF HENDERSON ACROSS THAT PROPERTY FOR THEIR OFFICES? I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHETHER THE TXDOT OFFICE IS ON CITY WATER AND SEWER OR WHETHER IT ISN'T.

I DON'T KNOW. HOW DO WE FIND THAT OUT? WELL, I CAN CERTAINLY LET YOU KNOW BY EMAIL AFTER THE MEETING.

BECAUSE AND THE REASON I'M ASKING AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE OBSTINATE, BUT IF ONE'S THERE, THAT'S A STUB OUT.

AND WE'VE ALREADY ALLOWED FOR ONE, IF THAT IS INDEED THE CASE.

BEEN QUITE LENIENT ON THAT KIND OF THING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE WANTED ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT TO BE.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS BECAUSE OF THAT LENIENCY SO.

THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS ADOPTED AND PUT IN PLACE WITHOUT BEING REVIEWED AND IN THAT UNDER REVIEW STILL, I MEAN, WE'RE WAITING ON PEOPLE TO TELL US GIVE US A BETTER UPDATE ON THAT.

THAT'S PARTIALLY TRUE.

BUT I THINK THE QUESTION HERE IS, IS THE PROCESS THAT'S IN QUESTION, NOT WHETHER IT'S A GOOD PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BUT IT DOES NOT FIT OUR GUIDELINES FOR THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THIS IN PLACE.

I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DENYING IT.

IS IT JUST IT DOESN'T FIT.

BIG WORD OF THE DAY, GOVERNMENTAL WISE, IS PRECEDENT.

WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE MADE ALLOWANCES FOR AREAS THAT WE WANTED DEVELOPED.

WE'VE GOT WATER OUT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE DID WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND WE HAD TO PUSH WATER UNDER THE HIGHWAY TO GET IT TO THEM.

I MEAN, I JUST THESE PEOPLE HAVE SPENT MONEY.

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WHAT A BETTER WAY TO GET THEM TO DEVELOP IT IS TO MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT WATER AND SEWER THERE.

IT'S ALREADY IN THE CITY LIMITS.

WE JUST HAD AN ARGUMENT ABOUT NOT BEING IN THE CITY LIMITS.

SO JUST CAN'T GO WITH IT.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK MAYBE IN THE PAST I MIGHT HAVE EXPRESSED MY CONCERN ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT.

WE CAN EASILY PUT LANGUAGE ON THE PLAT THAT WHICHEVER LOT IS DEVELOPED THEY HAVE TO EXTEND THE UTILITIES TO SERVE ALL OF THEM.

THERE IS A A UNDEVELOPED TRACT NORTH OF THIS AREA BETWEEN US AND 523.

THE SEWER LINE IS ON 523.

TO EXTEND IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN INSIDE OF [INAUDIBLE] ROAD RIGHT AWAY.

THE WATERLINE, WE COULD ADD AN EASEMENT AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON THERE INSIDE OUR PROPERTY.

EXTEND THE WATER UP TO THE NORTH TRACK.

SEWER LINE WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN.

WE COULD TURN IT INTO THAT SAME EASEMENT AND BRING IT DOWN.

WOULD WHAT MR. CLARKE WANTED TO DO WAS JUST DIVIDE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE NORTH HALF.

BECAUSE THEY DONATED LAND FOR THE DITCH NINE EASEMENT.

THEY DO NOT REQUIRE DETENTION UP THERE.

THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT DOES, IT'S A SWAMP.

THE SOUTH TRACK IS NOT ADJACENT TO IT.

THEY DID NOT DONATE, SO IT HAS TO HAVE ON SITE DETENTION.

SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT TRACTS OF LAND.

SO I GUESS THE POINT IS WE CAN ADD LANGUAGE.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE, BUT WE CAN PUT THE LANGUAGE ON THE PLAT THAT THEY HAVE TO EXTEND UTILITIES WHEN THEY WHOEVER DEVELOPS FIRST AND THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT ISSUE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THEN THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY THE MINOR PLAT AND REQUESTED VARIANCES.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. SO WE HAVE TWO TWO.

WELL, THAT JUST THAT JUST MEANS THAT I'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A TWO TWO RECOMMENDATION.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALL ANYTHING MEANS, RIGHT? WE GIVE OUR OPINION.

WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE A FULL HOUSE TODAY.

SO THERE'S THIS IS PROBABLY NOT MUCH THAT CAN BE SAID ABOUT.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE.

THAT WOULD BE THE 5TH, 12TH, 26TH.

OKAY. OKAY. THANKS EVERYBODY, FOR BEING HERE AND YOUR INPUT.

ONE, ONE, ONE, ONE OTHER ITEM.

I KNOW IT'S OFF AGENDA AND I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO IT, BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.

[Additional Item]

OH, NO. SHE'S BEEN OFFERED AND ACCEPTED A POSITION AS THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF SWEENEY.

SO I'D LIKE TO THANK HER FOR HER TIME AND EFFORT HERE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.

SO WHEN I SEND OUT THE INVITE, I WILL SEND ALL OF YOU.

OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT A LOT.

IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE YOU ALL.

IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE WITH YOU.

AND IT WILL.

IT WAS KIND OF A TOUGH DECISION, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE REALLY ENJOYED MY TIME HERE IN ANGLETON.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN TAKE ANGLETON VALUES AND UTILIZE THOSE IN MY NEXT CHAPTER.

WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR ANGLETON AND I ONLY KNOW, LIKE, NOT EVEN THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, BUT YOU'VE DONE A LOT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING YOUR EXPERTISE TO THE CITY AND MAKING US A BETTER PLACE WHILE YOU WERE HERE.

AS FOR THE WATER AND SEWER, MY MAP IS NOT THE BEST, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT.

THERE'S A WATER LINE, A 16 INCH WATER LINE THAT RUNS BEHIND THE FACILITY AND THAT IS OKAY.

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I COULD ZOOM IT IN AND LIKE WALT SAID, EMAIL IT TO YOU GUYS WHILE I WAS OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND WE SPLIT. SPLIT.

OKAY. OKAY.

WE'LL GET MORE CLARITY ON THAT MATTER FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.