Jul 26, 2022 City Council

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN AGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN, MOTION CARRIES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON. OUR 11 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION TO DONATE

[11. Discussion and possible action to donate the Fire Department's old Engine 4 to the Brazoria County Fire Field for training purposes only. ]

THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS OLD ENGINE FOR THE MAJORITY COUNTY FIRE FIELD FOR TRAINING PURPOSES ONLY.

>> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL? [BACKGROUND] IF YOU ALL RECALL WE HAD A 1994 FREIGHT LADDER WHEN WE PURCHASED THE QUEEN, THE LADDER TRUCK THAT WERE PLACED THAT FREIGHT LADDER AND THEN THE 1988 LADDER TRUCK THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.

THE FREIGHT LADDER AT THAT TIME DUE TO ROW, IT WENT OVER TO THE FIRE FIELD, IT WAS BEING STORED AT THE FIRE FIELD.

THE FIRE FIELD IS INTERESTED IN KEEPING THAT TRUCK PERMANENTLY.

THE TRUCK IS NOT ROAD WORTHY.

THE TRUCK HAS NO VALUE.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S WORTH ANYTHING FOR THAT TRUCK IS THE PUMP. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

THEY TRAIN THE FIREFIGHTERS ON PUMPING THE TRUCK AND THEY USE THE PUMP TO PRESSURE UP THEIR FIREWATER LINES AND ALL OF THAT.

COME TO YOU TONIGHT. IT IS IN THE CITY'S NAME TO ASK TO SALVAGE SURPLUS THAT TRUCK AND ALLOW US TO DONATE IT TO THE FIRE FIELD.

>> WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE TOO, RIGHT?

>> [NOISE] YES. WE'VE SENT TRUCKS TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT ABOUT THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE RED [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE RED [OVERLAPPING] WE GET THE PUMP.

THE PUMP'S THERE NOW.

>> [BACKGROUND]. THE DONATION IS SURPLUS.

EXCUSE ME SALVAGE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE DONATION FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.

>> A MOTION MIGHT BE THAT WE DECLARE IT A SALVAGE ITEM FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.

THAT WOULD MEET [NOISE] STANDARDS FOR [NOISE] THIS ACTION.

>> DO I HEAR THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION?

>> DO I HAVE TO REITERATE WHAT MR. WHITAKER SAID? [LAUGHTER] THAT DIDN'T COMMIT IT TO MEMORY.

WE'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DECLARE THIS AS SALVAGEABLE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE,

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SO WE CAN DONATE IT TO THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN AGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN, MOTION CARRIES.

UPDATE ON ANGLETON OPERATIONS COMPLEX OR [NOISE] TACO, THE NEW TERM, THE ANGLETON COMMUNICATIONS AND OPERATIONS BUILDING.

>> THANK YOU. NUMBER 12,

[12. Update on Angleton Operations Complex. ]

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

MY NAME IS RUBLES WITH THE IT ARCHITECTS.

WE'RE PRIVILEGED TO BE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF BINGHAMTON ON THIS NEWLY RENAMED PROJECT.

I HOPE YOU ALL WILL TELL ME WHAT THE T STANDS FOR SO I CAN UPDATE MY TITLE BLOCK.

[LAUGHTER] [NOISE] AGAIN, WHERE WE ARE ON THIS TACO PROJECT, [LAUGHTER] UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT AT THE WONDERFUL 3D ANIMATION STUDIO STAGES OF IT JUST YET, WE'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN THE PROGRAMMING AND SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASES.

IN LATE SPRING, VERY EARLY SUMMER, WE ISSUED THE PROGRAM QUESTIONNAIRES, WHICH IS A MULTIPLE PAGE, BORING SET OF QUESTIONS THAT WE DELIVERED TO STAFF TO DISSEMINATE THAT TO DEPARTMENT HEADS.

DEPARTMENT HEADS FILLED OUT THEIR LIST OF WISHES TO SANTA CLAUS.

BASICALLY, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS FOR THIS NEW PROPOSED BUILDING, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WE GOT THAT BACK. WE SCOURED THAT WITH STAFF.

WE DIDN'T MAKE REALLY ANY REVISIONS TO WHAT STAFF WANTED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

ON JULY THE 7TH, EARLIER THIS MONTH, WE HAVE THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION INTO THE MEETING ROOM NEXT DOOR AND WE WENT OVER THOSE LINE-BY-LINE.

WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS GETTING NOT WHAT THEY NEEDED TODAY, BUT WHAT THEY NEEDED INTO THE FUTURE.

WE RECENTLY GOT AN UPDATE FROM ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS.

[NOISE].

>> LET ME JUMP IN TO MAKE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

HOW MANY ADDITIONAL SPACES DID YOU PUT IN THE OPERATIONS BUILDING?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT OFFICE SPACE WAS THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE AT THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER NOW.

WE DO HAVE LIKE I MENTIONED, I THINK NOT THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE PEOPLE OFFICING OUT OF CLOSETS AT THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER.

WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS TO MOVE THOSE RECREATION DIVISION EMPLOYEES INTO THIS AREA AND THEN ALSO HOUSE STAFF, HAVE A WORK AREA, NOT OFFICES FOR CREW LEADERS.

OUR CURRENT CREW LEADER COUNT WITH A NUMBER, I BELIEVE, OF 2-3 ADDITIONAL IN THE FUTURE WITH ONE ADDITIONAL SUPERVISORY POSITION.

I THINK OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITION OF FOUR OFFICES.

>> HOLD ON, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.

ARE YOU SAYING YOUR CURRENT SPACES YOU WOULD INCLUDE WITH THE CLOSETS PLUS ADDITIONAL FLOOR SPACES? DOES IT MAKE A CUMULATIVE SIX OR SEVEN?

>> BRENT ACTUALLY HAS THIS INFORMATION FOR US.

CURRENTLY AT OUR EXISTING FACILITY, WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PARK SUPERINTENDENT, AND OUR CREW LEADERS.

BUT THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE RECREATION SUPERINTENDENT, AN OFFICE WORKSTATION 4, WE HAVE THREE CURRENTLY, WE'RE PLANNING ON FIVE IN THE FUTURE, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE DOWN THE ROAD, AND AREA FOR OUR PARKS AND RIGHT AWAY CREW MEMBERS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A COMMON SPACE WHERE THEY'RE BREAKING FOR LUNCH OR HAVING TRAINING.

THEN THE RECREATION SPECIALIST, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE.

WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT WILL LIKELY BE FOUR IN THE FUTURE.

THE RECREATION DIVISION YES.

THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD MOVE OUT OF THAT SPACE SO THAT WE CAN REMOVE THEM FROM NON-OFFICE ENVIRONMENT INTO AN OFFICE ENVIRONMENT.

BUT WE HAD ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER POSSIBILITIES IN THE FUTURE WHERE IF THERE'S A FACILITY THAT COULD BE MULTI-USED, THOSE INDIVIDUALS COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE TO THAT MULTI-USE FACILITY, ALLEVIATING THE ROOM EVEN IN THIS NEW COMPLEX FOR ADDITIONAL GROWTH. [NOISE]

>> SURE. I SEE HERE.

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>> WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ONE FOR DIRECTOR, ONE FOR ASSISTANT, ONE FOR SUPERINTENDENT, ONE FOR A FOREMAN, ONE FOR OPERATIONS, WHICH WOULD BE THE WATER PLANTS WITH ALL THE COMPUTERS AND OPERATORS IN THERE AND THEN OFFICE MANAGER FOR MY OFFICE MANAGER.

THEN I THINK WE ADDED ONE ROOM FOR A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES IN CUBICLES OR MAYBE CREW LEADERS OR SOME COME IN TO DO THEIR PAPERWORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

THAT'S FILLED UP I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANY EXTRA ON THERE.

I THOUGHT WE CALLED SOME IN YESTERDAY.

[OVERLAPPING] YEAH 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 13 ALTOGETHER. FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

>> WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN OUR OFFICES FOR YOUR PROJECT ITS GOING THROUGH THESE TYPES OF INFORMATION.

IT'S NOT WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK OF ARCHITECTURE, BUT IT IS VERY MUCH THE NECESSARY FIRST STEP.

I WOULD LOVE TO JUST JUMP IN DESIGN AND START MODELING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT IF WE MODEL THE WRONG BUILDING THAT DOES NOT FIT THE FUNCTION, THEN WE FAILED OUR CLIENTS.

WE'RE FINALIZING THIS.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED CREATING OUR PROGRAMMING BLOCKS, WHICH LITERALLY GET DOWN INTO THE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AND CONFERENCES.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ABOUT MAKING SURE THERE'S NO DUPLICATION.

EACH DEPARTMENT NEEDS A CONFERENCE ROOM, EACH DEPARTMENT NEEDS SOME TYPE OF A RECEPTIONIST, BUT WHERE ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EFFICIENCIES SO THAT WE'RE NOT DUPLICATED.

THEN THERE'S 12 CONFERENCE ROOMS AND TOO MANY BATHROOMS AND SO WE'RE CONSOLIDATING THAT.

WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND WE'RE DEVELOPING THESE PROGRAMMING BOX AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFFING DEPARTMENT AND SEE WHO NEEDS TO BE THE MOST ACCESSIBLE AT THAT GROUND FLOOR AND WHO NEEDS TO BE THE LEAST SUCCESSFUL AT THOSE UPPER FLOORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

ALSO WORKING WITH ON THE SITE THERE AND I DON'T WANT SOUTH VELASCO TO SEE WHERE THIS BODY WANTS TO SEND.

WE WOULD LOVE TO NOT INTERRUPT THE CURRENT DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.

IN ONE OF THE TASKS THAT WE'LL HAVE IS SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT WE CAN START CREATING A CONSTRUCTION ZONE THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS NEW FACILITY BE BUILT WITHOUT INTERRUPTING THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE CURRENT SERVICE CENTER.

>> FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS THE MODULAR STILL STAY THERE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OR HAVE TO MOVE [INAUDIBLE] SITE.

>> SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IS WHILE WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS, THE CIVIL AND THE TOPO ACTIVITIES ONSITE THERE TO ESTABLISH WHAT'S THERE.

THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED. WE'RE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE GEOTECHNICAL TO THE SOILS INVESTIGATION, WE'RE READY TO DO THAT.

WE'VE ALSO DEVELOPED A DRAFT OF THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK OPPORTUNITY.

WE'VE DEVELOPED THAT DRAFT, WAS SENT THAT OVER TO STAFF.

WE ARE READY TO SIT THERE IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS BACK AND THEN WE'LL START ADVERTISING ON THE CITY'S BEHALF ALONG WITH THE CITY FOR THOSE CMAR OPPORTUNITIES.

LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, WE HOPE ONCE ALL THIS IS DONE, WE HOPE TO PRESENT A SCHEMATIC DESIGN FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING SOMETIME IN MID AUGUST, IF EVERYTHING CONTINUES TO GO WELL.

WE SHOULD REALLY START SEEING SOME MORE FUN, ATTRACTIVE VISUALS RATHER THAN IN A BORING EXCEL SPREADSHEETS IN THE WORLD OF ARCHITECTURE.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> WHAT ARE YOU SEEING RIGHT NOW IN THE CONSTRUCTION FIELD? ARE YOU SEEING COSTS GOING DOWN IN SOME CASES? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT LUMBAR COSTS HAVE BEEN GOING DOWN.

>> WE DON'T DEAL IN LUMBAR IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL.

THERE'S SOME WOODBLOCK IN THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY, BUT NOT TOO MUCH CONCRETE FORMS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT A LOT OF CONCRETE FORMS OR REUSE FROM JOB TO JOB.

WE'RE NOT HEARING SIGNIFICANT INDICATIONS OF PRICES DECREASING.

WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS MAYBE MORE OF A STABILIZATION, WHICH IS NOT GREAT NEWS.

WE WOULD PREFER A DECLINE BUT GIVEN THE EVEREST ASCENT THAT THEY HAD BEEN DOING, STABILIZATION IS WELCOMING AND THAT'S TYPICALLY THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IN TOWARDS THE DECLINE SO WE'LL JUST SAY THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.

>> WHAT FORM OF FACTOR ARE YOU BELIEVING THIS BUILDING WOULD BE? WOULD IT BE A CONCRETE OUTER SHELL? [OVERLAPPING] SOME OTHER BENCHMARK [OVERLAPPING].

>> THERE'S CONCRETE TILT WALL, WHICH IS NICE.

IT'S VERY SUSTAINABLE, IT'S VERY STRONG.

CLASS B BUILDING STEEL STRUCTURE IS ALSO A VERY, VERY GOOD OPTION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING PRE-INJURY AND METAL BUILDING FOR THIS APPLICATION, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN-BETWEEN CONCRETE TILT WALL AND CLASS B STEEL.

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I WILL SAY THAT THE SIZE AND THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL CANDIDATE FOR TILT WALL JUST BECAUSE OF ITS SMALL FOOTPRINT, YOU REALLY GET YOUR ECONOMIES OF SCALE WHEN YOU GET INTO A LARGER, MORE PREDICTABLE FOOTPRINT OF CONCRETE TILT WALL, SUCH AS YOUR BIG BOX WAREHOUSES.

>> SURE.

>> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SMALL, BUT WITH SOMETHING WE WILL CONSIDER.

THAT'S ONE OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THIS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK WHEN THEY GET ON BOARD, THEY'LL LOOK AT OUR FOOTPRINT AND THERE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL FROM A CONTRACTOR'S PERSPECTIVE, DAY-TO-DAY PRICING OF WHAT THE MOST EFFICIENT BUILDING ENVELOPE SHOULD BE ON THAT PROJECT.

>> WHAT ABOUT ANY REUSE OF CURRENT FIT? EITHER STEEL STRUCTURE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> FIELD STRUCTURE?

>> STEEL. I'M SORRY, THE STRUCTURE THAT'S I THINK.

>> THE REUSE OF STEEL STRUCTURE THAT'S ON-SITE THERE CURRENTLY NOW?

>> I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY WALKED OUT.

I THINK WE HAD SCHEDULED IT FOR DEMOLITION.

THAT'S THE CURRENT WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I BELIEVE THAT IS [OVERLAPPING].

>> I AM JUST CURIOUS, SO YOU'RE THINKING TOTALLY FROM SCRATCH.

>> BUT A D8 OUT THERE AND SOME TRACK HOES AND RECYCLING.

>> THERE WON'T EVEN BE A FOUNDATION SLAB LEFT?

>> NO, SIR. I SAID THAT THERE AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT OPTIONS AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON THE FINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

I'M NOT WANT TO BE TOTALLY WASTEFUL.

WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE NUMBER 1, THAT WE CAN PUT THE BUILDING AS IT'S FUNCTIONALLY DESIGNED AND INTENDED TO BEST SERVE THE CITY.

WE PUT IT SOME [INAUDIBLE] CELLS.

IF THE EXISTING FACILITY CAN STILL MAINTAIN TO STILL BE USED THERE AND IF WE CAN FIND ANOTHER FUNCTION FOR IT TO BE USED IN.

WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN-MINDED AND CONSIDERING THAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF STOP GAPS ALONG THE WAY WHERE WE GET TO ASK PERMISSION AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY ASK PERMISSION.

WE WILL PROVIDE MANY UPDATES TO THIS BODY TO SEEK YOUR APPROVAL AND WE WELCOME ALL OPEN-MINDED IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO BEST SERVE THE CITY.

>> GREAT. CHRIS, ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> DESTROY IT AND GIVE YOU WE'VE GOT $10 MILLION.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO LAUNCH OFF ON THIS PROJECT SO WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.

BRIAN, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE IS SEAN, DEVELOP PLANS, GO OUT FOR BID, CONSTRUCTION?

>> GETTING OVER THIS PROGRAMMING SPEED BUMP IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF A DILEMMA BECAUSE IT'S A TALL TASK TO ORDER OR TO ASK THE STAFF TO GET YOUR CRYSTAL BALL OUT AND LOOK IN THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND THE UNCERTAINTIES THAT IS AT YOUR DOORSTEP RIGHT NOW AND SO GETTING PAST THIS, GETTING CLARITY ON THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE DIRECTLY, GETTING INTO SCHEMATIC DESIGN.

IF WE CAN HAVE A SCHEMATIC DESIGN APPROVED IN MID TO LATE AUGUST, THEN WE START REALLY MOVING FORWARD.

I WOULD SAY THAT AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, WE COULD BE ADVERTISING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK REALLY, REALLY EARLY FIRST-QUARTER OF '23 AND THEN OF COURSE, USING A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, EXPEDITE THE BID PROCESS.

WE COULD BE CONCEIVABLY MOVING DIRT.

I WOULD ALMOST WANT TO ASSURE SECOND QUARTER OF '23.

>> COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I'M GOOD.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

>> THANK YOU, BRIAN.

>> MOVING ON TO 13 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION.

>> NOT THAT ONE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. FOURTEEN,

[14. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary replat of Angleton Park Place Section 1. ]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT OF ANGLETON PARK PLAY SECTION 1.

>> THANK YOU, MARY. [INAUDIBLE] MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PRELIMINARY REPLAT FOR SOME ACREAGE AT THE WOULD IT BE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PHILLIPS ROAD AND GIFFORD ROAD.

THE REASON FOR THIS AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN EXISTING APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS AN ENTRANCE ONTO PHILLIPS ROAD AND HAD A BIG CULDESAC BULB, BUT THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME THAT WAS APPROVED.

THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE IN PHASES.

THE FIRST PHASE DID NOT REACH THE THRESHOLD OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHERE A SECONDARY ACCESS NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED.

BUT THE FIRST PHASE COULD BE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT COULD BE APPROVED IN THE FIRST PLACE,

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PHASE CAN BE PLANTED.

BUT THEN AFTER THE FIRST PHASE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A SECONDARY ACCESS PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY.

AFTER THAT APPROVAL, WE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SUGGESTED SOME DESIGN ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD PROVIDE A SECONDARY ACCESS AT SOME PLACE OTHER THAN THE CULDESAC BULB.

AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN PROCESS, WHICH HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR QUITE AWHILE NOW, AS THE COUNTY IS INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN PROCESS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE EXTENDING GIFFORD ROAD TO THE NEW ENTRANCE WHICH IS NOW NOT ON PHILLIPS ROAD BUT OFF OF WHAT WILL BE HALF OF GIFFORD ROAD ON THIS PROJECT.

AS PART OF ALL THAT PROCESS, THEY TOOK ANOTHER LOOK AT THE PROPERTY WHICH IS IN THE MANUFACTURED HOME SUBDIVISION.

WE'RE ABLE TO REDESIGN THE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT AND GET A FEW MORE LOTS OUT OF IT TO HELP WITH THE COST OF BUILDING HALF OF GIFFORD ROAD IN THE FIRST PHASE TO THAT ENTRANCE WILL BE OFF GIFFORD ROAD.

THEN WHEN THEY GET TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SECONDARY ACCESS, THE REST OF GIFFORD ROAD WILL BE BUILT DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT.

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF HALF IT BEING BUILT AT A TIME.

I SAID THE SAME THING THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> THAT'S HOW WE GOT ANGLETON BOULEVARD.

>>THEY'RE ONLY TAKING IT TO THE CORNER OF THEIR PROPERTY.

>> I BELIEVE SO.

>> SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.

>> IF THEY EXTEND GIFFORD ON ONE SIDE LIKE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE ONLY EXTENDING IT TO THE EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH, RIGHT?

>> YEAH. THAT WILL BE PART OF THE SECOND PHASE.

THE FIRST PART IS AS PART OF THE FIRST PHASE IS TO THEIR ENTRANCE WHICH WILL BE OFF GIFFORD ROAD.

>> IS THIS CURVED IN GUTTERED ROAD THAT THEY'LL BE PUTTING IN?

>> CURVED GUTTER SIDE WALK.

[NOISE] BUT JUST ONE SIDE OF IT.

ARE THEY DOING [INAUDIBLE] THAT?

>> THAT'S ALL THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO.

THE CITY LIMITS LINE IS BASICALLY RIGHT THERE.

TO THE EAST, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

>> CORRECT. ARE WE EXTENDING THE SEA LIMITS TO THE SOUTH OR IS IT ALREADY THERE IN THE SEA LIMITS?

>> THERE'S NO EXTENSION OF THE CITY LIMITS INVOLVED.

IT'S JUST EXTENSION OF THE ROAD.

>> I'M JUST TRYING UNDERSTAND. WHERE'S THE CITY LIMIT MARKER TO THE SOUTH OF US? BECAUSE I KNOW DOWN TO 220, IF YOU WENT ONTO [INAUDIBLE]

>> IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 220, I BELIEVE.

>> BUT IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN.

IT RUNS ALONG 220.

I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THIS AREA TO BE COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

>> WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 188.

>> ONE EIGHTY EIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

>> RED, BLACK.

>> THE RED AND BLACK IS THE CITY LIMITS, RIGHT?

>> YES, SIR.

>> IT DOES JUST GO STRAIGHT DOWN. THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS.

THEY HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR IS IT TOO SMALL OF A PLAT?

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>> THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS ISN'T GOING TO GENERATE ENOUGH PEAK HOUR TRIPS TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

>> WHAT'S THE MINIMUM?

>> IT'S A 100 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

>> I BELIEVE THERE'S OVERALL PROPOSED 80 LOTS PLUS OR MINUS.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE A 100 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

>> IT JUST DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME THAT ALL THIS TRAFFIC THAT WE'VE PUT ON BETWEEN GIFFORD MEADOWS, THE NEW HOUSES ALONG THERE, THEN YOU'RE PUTTING THIS ON.

WE PUT POLICE OFFICERS TO ENFORCE ON THAT SIDE AND ONE OF OUR HIGHEST RECORDED SPEEDS WAS ON THAT ROAD.

NOW WE'RE BUILDING HALF A ROAD TO SERVE AS 80 MORE LOTS.

IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP TO ME.

>> YES, I DID WANT TO GIVE SOME CLARITY ON THE ROAD.

FOR THE SUBDIVISION, THAT GIFFORD ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN 80 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.

THE TYPICAL DETAIL WAS A 36 FOOT ROAD BACK THE CURB TO BACK CURB.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PROVIDE A 24 FOOT WIDE ROAD SECTION, WHICH IS 112 FOOT LANE-IN AND 112 FOOT LANE-OUT.

WE'RE STILL PROVIDING TWO FULL LANE CROSS-SECTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

IN TERMS OF DISCUSSING THE HALF, WHAT THE OWNER WANTED TO DO WAS BUILD THE FIRST 450 FOOT OF ROADWAY TO THE FIRST ENTRANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THEN WHEN HE GETS TO SECTION 2, HE WANTS TO EXTEND THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THE SECOND ENTRANCE.

>> HE WANTS TO BUILD BOTH SIDES, PUT ON 150 FEET INTO THE ENTRANCE AND THEN EXTEND IT ALL THE WAY TO PHASE 2?

>> YEAH. PHASE 1, HE ONLY WANTS TO GO TO THE FIRST ENTRANCE AND THEN WHEN HE GETS TO PHASE 2 HE WILL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN HIS PROPERTY LINE TO GET THE CURB.

>> IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT I HAD IMAGINED.

I IMAGINED IT'S ONE LANE.

>> THAT'S WHAT I IMAGINED.

>> IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN HALF THAT'S REQUIRED.

THE LDC HALF WOULD BE 18 FOOT, BUT THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR TWO LANES.

AT THE MOMENT, THE MAX IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 80 LOTS OF 24 FOOT WIDE ROAD COULD HANDLE THAT WITHOUT ANY ISSUE.

>> ARE YOU BOTTLENECKING THE LAND TO THE SOUTH OF YOU? IS THE ROAD GOING TO HAVE TO BE EXPANDED IF WE GET MORE PROPERTY DEVELOPED SOUTH OF YOU, ALL THE WAY TO 220 WITH THE ROAD WIDTH THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IS THE CITY GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND WIDEN THAT ROAD?

>> I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I THINK IT DEPENDS A LOT ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT DOWN THERE.

>> THAT'S MY CONCERN.

>> FOR THE ROAD THAT WE ARE BUILDING WE ARE PROVIDING ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THE CURB.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE'RE PROVIDING A DUCTILE IRON, A CONSTRUCTION JOINT ALONG IT THAT WILL ALLOW, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE DEVELOPER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD TO EXPAND THAT ROAD TO ITS FULL LENGTH IF THEY DO DECIDE TO BUILD ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE SIDE THAT'S ON THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

>> I'M LOOKING OVER AT YOU. [LAUGHTER] WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE AN ESTABLISHED PROTOCOL ABOUT WHAT TO DO OUT IN THE COUNTY.

AS JUST AN INDIVIDUAL, I DON T THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ME TO BUILD THE ENTIRE ROAD SO MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET CAN COME OVER AND USE MY ROAD FOR NO COST.

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I SEE THE CITY'S NEED FOR A SOMEWHAT OF A FULL SECTION THROUGH THERE SO YOU CAN HAVE CARS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES GOING TWO WAYS.

BUT TO REQUIRE THE PERSON HERE TO BUILD THE FULL SECTION, WHAT YOU SAID FOR AN 80 FOOT LITTLE BORDER, WHAT WOULD THAT SECTION BE?

>> THIRTY SIX FOOT WIDE.

>> THIRTY SIX FOOT WIDE PAVEMENT.

WELL, THEN [LAUGHTER] WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST? THEY JUST GET THE KNOCK TO CURB OFF AND GET ON IT AND GO FOR FREE AND THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.

BUT HOW COULD YOU KEEP THEM FROM GETTING ON THERE?

>> MY ONLY QUESTION IS THE CURB AND GUTTER WOULD JUST BE ON THE [OVERLAPPING].

>> OKAY. IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ONLY REQUIRES US TO BUILD HALF THE ROAD, DOES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRE YOU TO COMPLETE CURB AND GUTTER ON THE OTHER SIDE?

>> I'M NOT SURE.

>> WE CAN'T USE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS A SWORD AND SHIELD.

WE CAN'T PROTECT OURSELVES AND THEN GO OUT AND STRIKE AGAINST USING IT.

IT'S GOT TO GO BOTH WAYS.

MY ARGUMENT WOULD BE, I'M FINE IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS THAT YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT HALF AND IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO JUST TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE UNTIL THE FIRST SECTION IS DEVELOPED AND THEN WE'D GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE IT.

AS LONG AS THAT'S SATISFACTORY FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

BUT IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALSO REQUIRES, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT CECIL IS SAYING, BUT IF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CURB AND GUTTER ON THE OTHER SIDE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S COUNTY, I JUST I JUST DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO BOTH WAYS ON THAT.

I HOPE I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, JOHN?

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HE'S TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN ONE LANE.

HE'S GOING TO MAKE THE LANE WIDER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED.

THE BOULEVARD SECTION THROUGH THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE 36, SO HALF WOULD BE 18.

HE'S GOING TO MAKE IT 24 TO WHERE YOU CAN USE IT.

HE'S NOT PUTTING IN BOTH SIDES.

I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION.

>> NOW THERE IS.

>> IT'S ONLY A 24 FOOT LANE THAT HE'S PUTTING IN WHICH YOU CAN GET CARS UP AND DOWN IT.

BUT THAT MEANS THAT WHEN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR COMES IN, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN THE REMAINDER OF THAT BOULEVARD SECTION.

>> WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF GIFFORD NOW?

>> THERE IS NOTHING IN THAT AREA.

>> NO, THE CURRENT GIFFORD, [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S THE WIDTH?

>> IT'S ABOUT 22 FEET.

>> YEAH, 22, 24 FEET.

>> IT'D BE WIDER THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED, BUT NOT WHAT THE CODE SAYS.

>> RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT BUILDING UP TO WHAT THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.

>> I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY THEY'RE ONLY DOING THE ONE CURB BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THEY'RE STILL JUST DOING THEIR ONE LANE THAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM.

BUT THEY'RE TAKING IT A STEP FURTHER TO HAVE IT WIDER SO THAT THERE CAN BE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.

WE'LL GET THE SECOND CURB ONCE THE COUNTY DEVELOPS THAT PROPERTY AND THEY'LL HAVE TO ADD ON.

>> THAT WON'T BE THE COUNTY DEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY.

[OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF, IS I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW ON LOTS SOUTH OF THIS.

THAT'S MY CONCERN IS IF ALL THAT GOES THROUGH AND GETS DEVELOPED.

>> THEY'LL HAVE A 20-FOOT WIDE ROAD OR 24.

>> OR THEY'D HAVE TO BUILD IT OUT.

>> WHO'S GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD IT OUT?

>> SOMEBODY.

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

>> WELL, IT'LL BE THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHOEVER BUYS TO THE SOUTH [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE WHEN HE DEVELOPS THE REST OF IT, THEN HE'S GOING TO BUILD IT DOWN.

>> NOT IF THEY'RE DEVELOPING ON THE SAME SIDE.

NOW EVERYBODY HAS DEVELOPED ON THAT ONE SIDE, LEAVING THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE ROAD NOT FINISHED.

YOU'RE BASICALLY CREATING HOW THIS ROAD IS GOING TO LOOK, GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN RIGHT NOW.

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT PRIOR COUNCILS HAVE HAD WITH DOING THIS.

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WAS WELL, OKAY, I DEVELOPED ON THIS SIDE TOO AND I DEVELOPED ON THE SIDE, SO I JUST BUILD MY LITTLE SIDE AND YOU GET STUCK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.

>> IS THIS A VARIANCE? IS THIS WHAT WE'RE ASKING?

>> NOPE, JUST APPROVING THE REPLAT.

>> IT'S A REPLAT.

>> NO, IT'S NOT VARYING.

>> NO.

>> THERE'S NO VARIANCE REQUESTED HERE.

>> THEY'RE DOING IT AS PART OF THE CODE.

>> BUT WE'RE CONSIDERING 24 HALF BECAUSE THEY'RE WILLING TO GO BEYOND THE 18, I GUESS?

>> RIGHT.

>> EIGHTEEN WOULD BE THE HALF OF 36.

>> TWENTY FOUR FEET OF PAVEMENT IS GOING TO PROVIDE TWO 12-FOOT FOR TRAVEL LANES, ONE NORTHBOUND, ONE SOUTHBOUND.

>> SO THERE IS A LITTLE GIVE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT AS MUCH GIVE AS YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> THEN THEY ONLY WANT TO GO TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE UNTIL THEY DEVELOP A SECOND SECTION.

>> WHOEVER DEVELOPS THE EAST, WHAT ARE THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS? LESS THAN OR MORE THAN OURS?

>> THEY'D HAVE TO BUILD 12 MORE FEET BECAUSE THAT'S COUNTY.

>> MOST LIKELY THEY'LL COME INTO THE CITY.

>> UNLESS THEY ASK TO BE ANNEXED.

>> MOST LIKELY WE WOULD ANNEX THEM IN.

>> SHOULD YOU JUST STAND, WALTER?

>> I KNOW I SHOULD JUST STAND HERE.

ASSUMING THAT THE EAST SIDE OF GIFFORD DEVELOPS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS, IF HE WANTS TO USE THE CITY'S WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AND THE CAPACITY EXISTS IN THOSE SYSTEMS, THE CITY POLICY IS THAT YOU NEED TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY.

WHEN THEY ANNEX INTO THE CITY, THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD THE REST OF THE ROAD.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF IFS IN THAT SENTENCE.

>> WELL, EVEN IF THEY DON'T ANNEX INTO THE CITY, THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STILL REQUIRES THEM TO FINISH CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD.

WHETHER THAT'S TO THE COUNTY STANDARD AT THAT POINT OR TO THE CITY'S STANDARD AT THAT POINT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AT THE TIME THAT THAT HAPPENS.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S IN THE CITY OR THE COUNTY, WHOEVER DEVELOPS THAT PROPERTY HAS TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD.

>> ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.

SOMEONE JUST BUILD A HOUSE THERE, WHAT ELSE?

>> FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ASSUMES THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO BUILD THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF THE CITY WANTS TO GO OUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND DO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT TO CONSTRUCT THE REST OF THE ROAD, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OR NOT, THAT'S A DECISION THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAKE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

>> LAST QUESTION, I HAVE.

THIS PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED FOR MANUFACTURED HOME; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL BE, MANUFACTURED HOMES?

>> IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME SUBDIVISION.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

>> COUNCIL, WE NEED DIRECTION.

>> A LITTLE GUIDANCE.

IF WE APPROVE THIS PRELIMINARY REPLAT TONIGHT AND THE DEVELOPER DECIDES HE JUST WANTS TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS AND NOT DO THIS, THEN WHERE ARE WE? IS THERE A TIME FRAME BEFORE IT CAN GO TO THE FILING?

>> YEAH, THERE'S A TIMEFRAME IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ON HOW LONG THE APPROVAL LASTS, BEFORE IT EXPIRES.

HE WALKS AWAY, HE WALKS AWAY.

IT REMAINS WHAT IT IS TODAY, AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT OF ANGLETON PARK'S PLAY SECTION 1 SUBJECT TO THE STAFF'S COMMENTS AND THAT THEY BUILD A 24-FOOT ROAD.

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>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND AND SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

>> THAT MOTION CARRIES 3-2.

ITEM NUMBER 15, DISCUSSION OF

[15. Discussion and possible action on a proposed land plan for property located on the southwest corner of CR 220 and SH 288B. ]

POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED LAND PLAN FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COUNTY ROAD 220 AND SOUTH HIGHWAY 288 B.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

AS YOU RECALL FROM YOUR SECOND MEETING IN MAY, THERE WAS A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA DISCUSSING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.

THE RESOLUTION OF THAT MEETING, THAT PUBLIC HEARING WAS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD GO BACK AND FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE THAT'S OUTLINED IN SECTION 23.104 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH IS PRESENT A MASTER PLAN, CONCEPT PLAN, SITE PLAN SO THAT THEY COULD VEST TO PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT THEY IDENTIFY ON THEIR MASTER PLAN OR CONCEPT PLAN.

YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN IN THERE, YOU'LL NOTE IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR VESTING PURPOSES ON THIS, THAT IT BE LIMITED TO JUST LAND USES THAT ARE PROPOSED AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN AND NOT TO THE DETAILS ABOUT THE SITE FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

ONE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS ARE GOING TO BE DETERMINED BY TXDOT AND/OR THE COUNTY AND THERE ARE SOME OTHERS ITEMS ON THERE THAT IT WOULD NOT BE PRUDENT TO VEST THE SITE PLAN BUT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO VEST THE LAND USES, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO DO IS TO GET SOME ASSURANCE WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD PROCEED WITH THE PROPOSED LAND USES THAT THEY WANTED TO DO ON THE PROPERTY.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION, THREE IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED TO DENY THE LAND USES IN THEIR ENTIRETY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE DEVELOPER IS NOT HERE TONIGHT TO MAKE THEIR CASE.

STAFF DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS BECAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T.

THIS IS A DECISION THAT YOU-ALL HAVE TO MAKE ON THE BASIS OF TRYING TO BALANCE OUT WHAT HAPPENS IN ORDER TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY AND AGAIN, THE DEVELOPER IS NOT HERE, SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM.

BUT IF THEY CAN'T DO THE LAND USES THAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE, THAT MEANS THAT WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO ANNEX? THEY WOULD PROBABLY WITHDRAW THE ANNEXATION PETITION AND THEY COULD STILL PROCEED WITH EXACTLY THAT SITE PLAN, ONLY IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

IT WOULD ONLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE NO LAND USE CONTROL ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS AS WELL AS THE ANNEXATION PETITION IS A BALANCING ACT BETWEEN CITY CONTROL, APPLICATION OF CITY REGULATIONS, AND DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN LIVE WITH THE PROPOSED LAND USES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

AS I SAID EARLIER, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO LIMIT AN APPROVAL, IF THERE IS AN APPROVAL OF ANYTHING AT ALL, TO JUST THE LAND USES.

BASED ON THAT, THEY CAN DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE ANNEXATION, WHICH AS NEAR AS I CAN TELL FROM THE VIDEO, YOU-ALL CONTINUED UNTIL THE AUGUST 9TH MEETING.

CERTAINLY, IF YOU DECIDE TO APPROVE SOMETHING HERE, THAT INFORMATION WILL BE CONVEYED TO THEM.

THEY CAN THEN DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE ANNEXATION AND HOPEFULLY LONG BEFORE AUGUST, THE 9TH ROLLS AROUND, IF THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE ANNEXATION, WE'LL KNOW THAT.

THAT'S IT IN THE SHORTEST NUTSHELL I CAN GET IT OUT THERE.

>> WHAT'S THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF DOING SEPTIC OR PACKAGE PLAN OR DRAWING WELL AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS?

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>> THAT'S AN ENGINEERING QUESTION.

I REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

[LAUGHTER] THAT WOULD INVOLVE HAVING TO, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE A PACKAGE PLANT OF SOME SORT.

SAME SITUATION IS WITH THE RESERVE A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE WEST.

THAT WOULD INVOLVE GETTING APPROVAL THROUGH TC EQ.

THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN WATER SYSTEM OR DRILL WELLS WHICH ALSO REQUIRES STATE APPROVALS.

WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT, I CAN'T SAY, DON'T KNOW.

CAN THEY DO THAT? THEY CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THE EFFORT AND TRY.

>> COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION?

>> I MEAN, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS.

I'LL TURN ON MICROPHONE FOR ANYONE WHO KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE.

FOR WHAT REASON DID WE NOT KNOW. TODAY, WERE THEY?

>> I DO NOT KNOW.

THEY HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF IT FROM THE BEGINNING.

I DON'T KNOW IF [OVERLAPPING].

>> THEY UNDERSTOOD. I MEAN.

>> I SAID AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE ON THIS COUNCIL AGENDA.

I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY THEY ARE NOT HERE.

I MEAN, MAYBE THEY THOUGHT THAT AT P AND Z ENDED THE PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW, I'M SURPRISED THAT THEY AREN'T HERE.

>> THEN JUST GENERALLY A CONCEPT OR QUESTION ON SOME WORDS, I GUESS, ABOUT THIS LOCATION.

IT SEEMS TO BE THAT FOR SOME REASON 2020 SEEMS TO BE A VERY ATTRACTIVE FOR MALLARME LOCATIONS MANUFACTURER HOME ALONE.

>> THERE'S SOME OVER IN THOSE AREAS, SO THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GET THAT THROUGH IN THIS AREA.

THEY'VE GIVEN UP ON THE NORTH SIDE, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE SOUTH SIDE.

>> I GUESS MY NEXT POINT IS HOW FAR ARE WE WILLING TO GO? I'M NOT AGAINST MANUFACTURED HOMES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SURE ARE DRAWING A LOT OF ATTENTION.

I KNOW RISING COSTS PROBABLY HAVE PART OF THAT AND DOES PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE A HOME, I GUESS.

A DIVERSITY THAT WE TALK ABOUT, BUT.

>> I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT SOME NUMBERS.

IN 2019, THE BRAZORIA COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALLIANCE DID A HOUSING STUDY AND IT FOCUSED ON LOWER BRAZORIA COUNTY.

BASICALLY SAID THAT ALMOST 20 PERCENT OF OUR RESIDENTS FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF MEETING THIS HOUSING.

LET ME SEE. HOUSING UNDER 200 GRAND IS DWINDLING.

THE HOUSES THAT ARE REALLY BOOMING RIGHT NOW ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BETWEEN 200 AND 300.

BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT CANNOT AFFORD THAT, AND WE HAVE EVEN MORE FAMILIES THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN THAT IS AT A THOUSAND OR LESS.

THIS IS THE HOUSING THAT BRAZORIA COUNTY NEEDS.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD GIVE AND TAKE THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THE STORE FRONT AND THE STORAGE UNITS.

THEN BASICALLY REAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ANNEXING GIVES US THE EXTRA FOR THE SALES.

>> I LOOKED ON AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH TODAY, THERE'S WITHIN A HALF-MILE RADIUS OF THIS, THERE'S TWO SUBSTANTIALLY SIZED MOBILE HOME DEVELOPMENTS, ONE OVER ON SHANKS ROAD AND THEN ANOTHER ONE UP ROADWAYS FROM THIS ONE.

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AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THEY'RE PRETTY BOOKED UP.

THERE ARE NOT MANY VACANT LOTS IN THESE [OVERLAPPING] THE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE SOUTH OF GIFFORD STATES.

ON GIFFORD ROAD, THERE'S PRAIRIE LEAGUE. I THINK THE STREET [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S ANOTHER MOBILE HOME PARK TOO.

>> I HAVEN'T DRIVEN THROUGH THERE LIGHTLY, BUT MY MEMORY OF THAT PLACE HAS BEEN A REAL WELL KEPT UP NEIGHBORHOOD.

I SEE IT FROM THE BACKSIDE WHEN I'M GOING TO WORK.

BUT IT STAYS FULL OF MOBILE HOMES.

I MADE A COMMENT IN THE PAST, I'VE HAD SOME REAL DEAR FRIENDS WHO'VE LIVED IN MOBILE HOMES.

I'M NOT DISSONANT, BUT I STOPPED MY FIRST CHOICE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I SHOULD STAND UP HERE AND DENY SOMEONE'S RIGHT TO LIVE IN A MANUFACTURED HOUSE.

>> RIGHT. I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT OUR RATIO IS OF MOBILE HOMES TO RENTAL TO SINGLE-FAMILY.

BECAUSE MAYBE WE'RE RIGHT THERE AND WE'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CITY.

BUT MAN, IT SHOULD FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THE CITY.

>> BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING COMING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

EVER SINCE WE SAID WE DIDN'T WANT 45 FOOT LOTS, WE STARTED SEEING APARTMENT AND MOBILE HOMES.

I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU. I LIVED IN A MOBILE HOME GROWING UP.

I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THEM.

THERE'S A PURPOSE FOR THEM AND PEOPLE NEED THEM.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO START LOOKING AT, IS WHAT DO YOU WANT ALONG THAT AREA TOO? DO YOU WANT IT TO JUST BE NOTHING BUT MOBILE HOMES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW.

IF THAT 800 MOBILE HOME PARK GOES IN OFF 220 AND THEN HE PUT ANOTHER 98 HERE AND THEN YOU HAVE 80 ON GIFFORD RIGHT THERE WITH SHANKS WITH POORLY.

WHAT ELSE? I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DIVERSITY THERE TOO.

YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THEM ALL ON THE SAME SPOT BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO AND TO COUNSEL THEM.

DANIEL, I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT WE NEED THAT DIVERSITY IN THAT MIX.

BUT THIS COUNCIL JUST TOOK ACTION LESS THAN A YEAR AGO OF DENYING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN.

THEY WANTED TO PUT STORAGE MANUFACTURED HOMES ALONG 523 JUST NORTH OF LOVES AND BECAUSE OF A TECHNICALITY ON THE ANNEXING, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

>> THEY COULDN'T ACCESS.

>> NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT WANTS TO LAND-USE ANNEX.

THEIR DIFFERENCE IS, THEY WANT TO PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE AS COMMERCIAL STRIP CENTER.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS FOR THE BEST USE OF THAT AREA.

>> I THINK IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I THINK WE USE THE WORD DIVERSITY.

THERE'S A PERCEPTION IN OUR MINDS THAT SOMEHOW THAT MEANS, I DON'T KNOW, A LOWER END-HOME.

WHEN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA THE DIVERSITY WOULD ACTUALLY BE UPPER END-HOME.

IF YOU WANT A DIVERSITY IN THIS AREA, YOU WOULD SAY, OKAY, I WANT SOME PROPERTY STANDALONE, THAT'S JUST IN THAT AREA.

MOST WERE JUST LITERALLY, LIKE JOHN SAID, WILLING TO ACCEPT CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN HAVE CERTAIN HOMES AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

IF YOU LIVE ON ONE SIDE OF THE TRACKS, YOU GET TO LIVE HERE AND YOU LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU GET TO LIVE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

I THINK DIVERSITY IS YOU TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THEY THINK IT COMES WITH, IN YOUR MIND, CERTAIN PERCEPTIONS VERSUS REALITY.

>> CHRIS, I'M GLAD JOHN IS NOT LISTENING, BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER WE TALKED A WHILE BACK ABOUT WATER CONNECTION COUNTS AND SO WE WERE 1,100.

YOU-ALL JUST APPROVED 80 PLUS ANOTHER, THIS IS 98.

NOW WE'RE 200.

POTENTIALLY COULD BE 200 OF 1100, AND THAT'S IT. WE'RE DONE.

NOW, FREEDOM PARK WELL,

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WHEN THAT COMES ONLINE WILL GIVE US MORE CAPACITY, BUT WE'RE THERE ON MAKING THOSE STRATEGIC DECISIONS FOR ANGLE TAN ABOUT WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THOSE WATER CONNECTIONS TO?

>> I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN JOHN RAISED THAT POINT BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO A PART OF OUR DISCUSSION ON THE SAME TRACK THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

THE [OVERLAPPING] LOVES.

WE JUST COULDN'T GET ANY ACCESS FOR A [INAUDIBLE] ROAD ACCESS.

>> MEET ACTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY IT IN ITS ENTIRETY.

>> THAT'S THE SAME AS P AND Z, RIGHT?

>> YES. THAT'S THE THREE-TO-ONE RECOMMENDATION OF P AND Z IS TO DENY ALL THE LAND USERS.

>> MR. LOGAN YOUR MOTION.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, AND SECOND BY COUNCIL BUSH TO DENY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN, THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> MAYBE P AND Z WILL SEE THAT SOMETIMES WE AGREE WITH THEM [LAUGHTER].

>> NUMBER 16, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON COMBINING ABLC,

[16. Discussion and possible action on combining Angleton Better Living Corporation (ABLC) and the Parks and Recreation Board, including roles and responsibilities. ]

ABLE AND BETTER LIVING CORPORATION, AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, INCLUDING ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

>> YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCIL.

ON JUNE 28TH, THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSED REDUNDANCIES AND STAFF WORK AS WELL AS THE REDUNDANCIES AND ABLC IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION AGENDA ITEMS, CITY COUNCIL GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO ASSESS WAYS.

THE BOARDS COULD BE RESTRUCTURED TO ELIMINATE REDUNDANCIES AND IMPROVE EFFICIENCY.

RANDALL LAW OFFICE WILL PRESENT ABLC AND THE PARK'S BOARD RESTRUCTURING OPTIONS FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSION.

JUDITH DOES HAVE A HANDOUT WHICH SHE MAY HAVE PROVIDED YOU ALREADY AND SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JUDITH.

>> I THINK CHRIS IS GOING TO GO FIRST.

>>THIS IS NUMBER 2 IN THE DISCUSSION WE HAD THIS AT PREVIOUS MEETING.

YOU TASSELS COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT QUIETING BOARD, STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT.

WE CAN EXPAND THE BOARD.

WE'RE STICKING WITH THE STATE LAW.

BUT I THINK JUDITH HAS SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE WAY WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD.

ELIMINATING THE REDUNDANCY THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, BASICALLY MAKING PARKS REALLY A SUBCOMMITTEE OF ABLC OR A COMMITTEE OF ABLC AND FOCUS SOLELY ON POLICY.

THEREFORE YOU CLEARLY DEFINE THE ROLES, BOTH ORGANIZATIONS, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY REMOVE ONE. JUDITH.

>> HOPEFULLY DO YOU HAVE THE HANDOUT THAT I LEFT IN FRONT OF YOU? REALLY, I HAD TO DO THE HANDOUT.

IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DECISION, YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON WHAT YOUR CITY COUNCIL HAS DONE PREVIOUSLY BY ORDINANCE AND WHAT YOUR VOTERS HAVE DONE IN THE ELECTION, CREATING ABLC.

I THINK WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL I DID THIS CHART WAS THAT YOUR PARK AND RECREATION BOARD WAS ACTUALLY CREATED IN 1965 BEFORE THE 1990 CREATION OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WHICH IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IN ISOLATION, THAT WOULD BE WHY YOU'RE ENDED UP WHERE YOU ARE NOW.

THERE WAS A PROGRESSION OF EVENTS.

THE NEED FOR THE BOARD BACK IN 1965 WAS PROBABLY THERE.

WHEN THE DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TIME TO REVISIT THE ORDINANCE ON THE BOARD.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY ON WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS DISCUSSED BACK THEN OR WHY, BUT YOU MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD AND IN 2000 YOUR CITY HAS AN ELECTION.

I HAVE TO SAY IT'S PRETTY UNIQUE THAT YOU'RE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, KNOWN AS ABLC, HAS REALLY NARROW PURPOSES.

THAT'S HIGHLY IRREGULAR, BECAUSE MOST OF THESE WANT TO HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHICH OPENS UP ALL OTHER PROJECTS.

GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION AND YOU HAVEN'T

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ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WITH A NARROW PURPOSE OF PARKS AND SOME DRAINAGE BUT REALLY IT'S FOR PARKS.

IT'S BECOME CLEAR AS TIME HAS PROGRESSED THAT THE CITY STAFF AT LEAST BUT THE CITY TOO IS SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN THE MEETINGS FOR BOTH.

WHAT I DID HERE WITH THE CHART IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WHAT IT IS THAT YOUR COUNCIL DID BY ORDINANCE.

ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS AND ALSO WHAT THE CERTIFICATE INFORMATION AND ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AND BYLAWS.

NOT SO MUCH THE BYLAWS, BUT THE CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION IN THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION STATE THE CORPORATION SHOULD DO.

AS CHRIS SAID, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE THE SEVEN MEMBERS.

ALL OF THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS ARE ON THE LEFT.

WHAT YOU DO HAVE IN YOUR CERTIFICATE INFORMATION, ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION IS THE ABILITY TO CREATE A COMMITTEE.

I DON'T KNOW, PERHAPS ONE OF YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE ABLC HAS EVER CREATED COMMITTEES, BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT YOU REVISIT YOUR ORDINANCE FOR THE PARK RECREATION BOARD, AND CREATE A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD SERVE UNDER ABLC, WHICH OSTENSIBLY COULD HAVE THE NARROW FOCUS OF POLICY, FORMERLY KNOWN AS ANGLETON PARK RECREATION BOARD.

YOU'RE STREAMLINING AND HAVING LESS MANPOWER SPEND ON MEETINGS AND YOU MAKE IT LASER-FOCUSED ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE POLICY.

>> ALSO ADDRESS THE PERIODIC TIME THAT IT MEETS SO THAT YOU COULD INSTEAD OF EVERY OTHER MONTH.

OUR OPPORTUNITY, YOU MAKE IT ONCE A QUARTER AS REQUIRED SO YOU'RE REDUCING THE MEETING REQUIREMENTS.

>> YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

I THINK TONIGHT IS THE BEGINNING OF THE DISCUSSION AND YOU CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT THE TWO ARE CAPABLE OF DOING.

I'LL BE GLAD TO DO WHATEVER I'M TOLD TO DO.

BUT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS, AT LEAST FOR ABLC WHAT THE STATE LAW TELLS US.

RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR PARK'S BOARD IS ACTUALLY MEANING EVERY OTHER MONTH OR MORE FREQUENTLY?

>> ONCE A MONTH.

>> EVERY OTHER MONTH.

>> LAST YEAR WE WERE DOING MONTHLY AND THAT WAS MAINLY BECAUSE OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAD GOING ON WITH CONCEPT IN DESIGN PLAN.

BUT WE'VE BACKED THAT UP AT THIS FISCAL YEAR TO BI-MONTHLY.

>> I'M PRETTY SURE YOU ASKED A QUESTION ON THERE ABOUT ABLC EVER CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE? I'M PRETTY SURE WE'VE NEVER CREATED A SUB-COMMITTEE FROM ABLC.

>> CHARLOTTE IS SHAKING HER HEAD NO.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> MOST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS IN AT LEAST THE CITIES THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH, DO YOU HAVE VARIOUS COMMITTEES OR SOME ARE VERY NARROW, LIKE HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT.

SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER THAN THAT.

BUT YOUR CITY IS VERY UNIQUE AND THAT YOU'VE GOT THE CORPORATION CREATED AFTER YOUR PARK'S BOARD WAS CREATED.

>> WE TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

>> YOU DO. I GIVE YOU THAT.

>> IT FAILED QUITE A FEW TIMES IN THE BEGINNING AND THAT'S WHEN WE REALLY NARROWED IT DOWN TO MAKE IT BEFORE BEING THE SALES TAX TO GO TOWARDS THE PARKS BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT THE VOTERS WERE WANTING, THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THEIR PARKS AND MOSTLY IT WAS THE ASSOCIATIONS THAT REALLY BACKED IT.

BUT THAT WAS CREATED THEN.

>> WELL, THE PURPOSE OF THE PARK'S BOARD ORIGINALLY IN 1965, WAS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO WHAT WAS THEN THE CITY ADMINISTRATORS, I'M ASSUMING IT WAS A GENERAL LOSS EDDY BACK THEN.

THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE CAN NO LONGER BE SATISFIED BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED AT A TIME YOUR CITY WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

IF NOT ANYTHING ELSE, I WOULD RECOMMEND WHATEVER THE DECISION THAT YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>> WHAT IS THE NEXT PART WE'RE MEETING?

>> AUGUST EIGHTH.

>> THEN ABLC IS AUGUST 15TH.

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>> HERE'S THE PARK'S BOARD LEGAL THAT WE HAVE.

IT WAS UNDER A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION OF THE CITY.

>> YEAH. I CAN'T SPEAK TO YOU [OVERLAPPING] IN THIS CASE BUT I TELL YOU NOW THAT YOUR CHARTER NOW DEFINITELY ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT.

YOU'RE WELL WITHIN THE POWERS OF A HOME OF CITY TO DO THAT. YES.

>> IT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY CAN DO IT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WITHOUT ANY OF US BEING AROUND IN 1965, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT WAS THAT THEY WANTED THE BOARD TO DO THEN.

WHAT YOU WANT YOUR BOARD TO DO IN 2022 AND IN THE FUTURE IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THAT WAS.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> WELL, I'VE TRIED TO DO MY BEST TO FOLLOW ALONG AS MUCH AS I CAN AND DOING WHATEVER ELSE IS GOING ON IN MY LIFE BUT BOTH THE ABLC MEETINGS AND THE PARK MEETINGS IN P AND Z, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT.

IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A LOT OF DUPLICATION BETWEEN THE MEETINGS OF PARKS AND ABLC.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY FOR IT TO AVOID SOME REDUNDANCIES IN TO CREATE SOME EFFICIENCY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TO COMBINE THE TWO BOARDS, ADD MEMBERS FROM PARK TO ABLC.

>> CAN'T DO THAT.

>> YEAH. STATUTE SAYS WE'RE LIMITED TO A SEVEN MEMBER.

>> SEVEN.

>> COLLABORATION. SO YOU CAN'T.

AGAIN, WE WERE JUST SPLIT BALL A LITTLE BIT.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN, FUNDAMENTALLY PUTTING ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY ON ABLC, TO CONDUCT PARKS, REX, AND DRAINAGE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MAKING PARKS BOARD REALLY, AGAIN, FOCUSED ON JUST THE POLICY PIECE.

I THINK JUDITH RECOMMENDATION IS PROBABLY.

>> TO WHAT? TO MAKE IT A SUBCOMMITTEE?

>> YOUR CORPORATION HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE COMMITTEES.

>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT ALL YOU'RE DOING IS SHUFFLING TITLES AND YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM OF DUPLICATION.

IN PARKS AND RECREATION, IF IT'S GOING TO BE DOING POLICY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A MONTHLY MEETING.

UNLESS THERE IS A REALLY THAT MUCH POLICY THAT NEEDS TO BE.

>> I AGREE.

>> [INAUDIBLE] ASSIGNED THE MONTHLY.

>> I CAN GET AWAY WITH BI-ANNUALLY.

TWO MEETINGS ANNUALLY I WOULD THINK WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH BECAUSE HOW MANY ISSUES ARE REALLY COMING UP THAT HAVE TO BE EXPRESSLY ADDRESSED? YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN MYSELF, BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT POLICY.

>> LIKE FOR INSTANCE, JUDITH, JUST THIS PAST YEAR HELPS US WITH STANDARDS OF CARE FOR ANY OF OUR CAMPS THAT WE HAD.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST GENERAL ORDINANCE REVISION WHEN WE LOOK AT IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING WITH SELECT FIELD USAGE OR TOBACCO-FREE PARKS.

THAT'S THE STUFF THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY.

>> I WOULD THINK TWICE A YEAR WITH THE ABILITY TO CALL A SPECIAL SESSION IF THERE IS A SPECIAL ISSUE THAT'S PRESENTING.

THEN LET ABLC GET TO THEIR BUSINESS AND TAKE CARE OF IT.

BUT I DON'T SEE WITH THE NEED.

>> I SEE AS A MINIMUM OF QUARTERLY.

>> MAYBE THAT'S SO.

>> TO START QUARTERLY.

>> I JUST THINK YOU'RE JUST CLIMBING BACK UP TO HIM FOR, WE'LL BE DOING IT MOSTLY AGAIN.

>> TRAVIS TO YOUR POINT, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPRESS PROBABLY IN ARTFULLY, THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR THE PARK'S BOARD BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PARKS DEPARTMENT.

BUT NOW YOU HAVE A PARKS DEPARTMENT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> I HAVE OTHER CITIES AND YOU CAN LOOK AROUND THE CITIES AROUND YOU.

YOUR CITIES THAT HAVE A PARK'S DEPARTMENT LIKELY DON'T HAVE PARKS BOARD.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING YOU SAYING. YEAH.

>> THERE MAYBE A BOARD, SOME BOARD.

AGAIN, FOR THE BEAUTIFICATION OF MAIN STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE MAY BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE IRREGULAR TO HAVE BOTH YOUR DEPARTMENT, WHICH IN YOUR CASE CAME ALONG WELL AFTER YOUR PARK'S BOARD.

>> OR YOU COULD DO IT LIKE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS MAYBE SAY IT'S AS REQUIRED.

DEAL WITH POLICY. LAST YEAR WE HAD THREE POLICY THINGS WE'VE DEALT WITH AND THIS YEAR WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

>> OR EVEN IF IT'S AN ANNUAL MEETING AND THEN ONCE THAT AGENDA IS SET, THEN YOU CAN SET FORTH WHAT IT IS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR IS TO GUESS WHAT IT'S A LEAN YEAR.

WE DON'T HAVE MUCH GOING ON.

WE'LL SEE EACH OTHER AND WHATEVER.

BACK IN THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT PARKING FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

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>> BUT SO WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING IS WE ALL LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING IT A SUBCOMMITTEE OF ABLC.

THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME TO TERMS WITH WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR TIMES OR REGULARITY THERE BE.

>> IN WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS SO PARKS BE A SUBCOMMITTEE.

AT PARKS HAVE THEIR OWN MEETING AND THEN REPORT TO ABLC?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU CAN THINK OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT THAT COMMITTEE TO ACHIEVE AND NAME IT THAT THEN THAT'S THERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THE ORDINANCE ANYWAY.

>> YOU COULD RENAME IT.

THEN YOU REWRITE WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AS IT SUITS THE CITY, AND THEN THEY REPORT DIRECTLY TO ABLC.

THAT DOES SEEM STREAMLINED TO ME.

>> CAN THE MEMBERSHIP WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE BE OUTSIDE THE SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE ABLC, OR DO THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF THE ABLC?

>> THAT'S UP TO YOU.

THERE'S NOTHING IN YOUR CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION THAT STATES THAT IF YOU'RE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT YOU CAN'T BE ON A COMMITTEE.

WE COULD PUT THOUGHT INTO AMENDING THE ARTICLES TO SET THAT OUT.

SINCE APPARENTLY NO COMMITTEE WAS EVER DONE BEFORE THIS NEVER CAME UP BEFORE.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

>> WELL.

>> YOU COULD DO IT JUST LIKE ABLC WHERE YOU HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON ABLC BOARD AND THE REST ARE APPOINTED.

YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH PARKS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, WHATEVER IT IS, AND SAY TO ABLC MEMBERS PLUS X NUMBER OF OPPONENT.

>> OR YOU CAN MAKE IT SMALLER.

YOU CAN MAKE A COMMITTEE, OF A COMMITTEE OF FIVE.

>> WHILE YOU'RE CONSIDERING THAT, WE ALSO HAVE A HIKE AND BIKE THAT IS A VERY INFORMAL GROUP, BUT DOES PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION FOLLOW-UP TO THE PARKS BOARD.

DANGEROUS CONCEPT.

>> HERE'S ONLY THING I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING AND MAYBE I'M OVER ANALYZING THIS.

I WOULD HATE FOR THERE TO BE NOW MORE ABLC MEETINGS.

ALL WE'VE DONE IS JUST SWITCHED THE TITLES AND WHO'S SHOWING UP ON WHAT DATES BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING IRREGULAR ABLC MEETING, BUT THEN YOU HAVE YOUR ABLC SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WITH YOUR PARKS AND YOUR BIKES PARTY, AND THEN NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO COME TWICE A MONTH OR THREE TIMES A MONTH TO SATISFY THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF MEETINGS.

WE'RE JUST PUT THEM ON DIFFERENT TITLES AND THAT'S ALL.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO MAKE THIS A LOT MORE EFFICIENT, AND THEN HAVING REPETITIVE MEETINGS.

>> THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU CAN SET THE FREQUENCY AND THE NEEDS.

YOU CAN SAY IT'S A PARK'S POLICY COMMITTEE BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO THREE MEMBERS.

WHEN ABLC SAYS THEY WANT TO DEVELOP A POLICY OR REVIEW POLICY THAN THEY STAND THEM UP OR TELL THEM TO BE ACTIVE AND THEY REPORT BACK ON THE SCHEDULE MEETING NIGHTS.

>> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THOUGH, IT'S FOR THE ABLC AND FOR THE PARKS DIRECTOR TO FIGURE OUT THE FREQUENCY OF THAT GROUP.

I THINK FOR US AS COUNCIL, WE SHOULD IDENTIFY WHAT WE WANT FROM PARKS BOARD OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO BE CALLED AN ABLC AND THEN LET THEM FIGURE OUT THEIR MEETING TIMES.

IT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH STUFF TO DO EVERY QUARTER OR ONCE A YEAR.

BOMBINGS, THAT'S FINE.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE MINUTIAE FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE OF MANAGING THAT BOARD OF THAT COMMITTEE.

>> I LIKE YOUR IDEA. I GET IT.

IF MY POINT IS THOUGH, I THINK IF WE DON'T FIND, ELIMINATE REDUNDANCIES AND FIND EFFICIENCY THEN WE SHOULD JUST STAY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> WE ARE FINDING EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BRIEFING TO BOARDS THE SAME THING.

>> YEAH. IF WE SAY OKAY, PARK'S SUBCOMMITTEE IS NOW ONLY IN CHARGE OF POLICY, THEN, LIKE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW PARK, YOU'RE NOT PRESENTING A NEW PARK TO TWO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.

YOU'RE JUST PRESENTING IT TO ONE.

>> I GET WHAT JOHN IS. MY ONLY CONCERN WITH JOHNSON OR MAYBE I'M JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE.

BUT IS THAT THE ABLC COMES TOGETHER WITH THE PARK'S SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO HAVING MEETINGS EVERY MONTH AND THEN BAM, PARK DIRECTORS BACKUP HERE, PARK STAFF IS BACKUP HERE.

MEANING TWICE, THREE TIMES A MONTH JUST BECAUSE I THINK SHE'D HAVE MORE LIKE LIMITS ON IT.

>> IT'S ABSOLUTELY DIRECTOR ON WHAT POLICIES IS TO BE PROPOSED OR TO BE REVIEWED.

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>> REALLY, WHAT TYPICALLY HAS HAPPENED IS WE TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE PARK'S BOARD.

IF THERE IS A POLICY, IT WILL TYPICALLY BE CAN YOU GET US SOMETHING BY THE NEXT MEETING, MUCH CITY COUNCIL? IT IS BY THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD.

IF YOU'RE TELLING OR DIRECTING STAFF FOR US TO DEVELOP THAT SCHEDULE, I WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT.

>> WELL, IN THIS CASE, IF IT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE, WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF ABLC.

>> SOUNDS LIKE IT.

>> YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE THING I'M UNDERSTANDING.

>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO MIC? SORRY, I GOT PEOPLE ASKING.

>> IF WE CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN THAT SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS TO ABLC.

>> DOES THAT MEAN THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL HANDLE POLICIES, BUT THEN THE ABLC WILL SAY YAY OR NAY TO WHATEVER THE SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PARK'S BOARD REPORTS TO COUNCIL.

>> YEAH. RIGHT NOW, YOUR ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE PARK'S BOARD REPORTS TO CITY ADMINISTRATOR ACTUALLY.

THAT SHOULD ONLY HAPPEN ONCE A YEAR.

IF I HEARD MEGAN CORRECTLY, THAT'S DONE EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.

CAN YOU JUST REPEAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT WRONG.

>> SURE. WHEN WE HAVE ITEMS THAT COME UP IN PARKS BOARD MEETING, AT THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS WHAT I WOULD SAY.

BECAUSE WE HAD SO MUCH CONTENT OVER THE PAST LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE MEETING FAIRLY REGULARLY, SO WE WOULD TRY TO HAVE AN UPDATE BY THE NEXT MEETING.

IF IT WASN'T POSSIBLE, WE PUSH IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE FEWER PROJECTS.

THE ALTERNATE MONTHS ARE USED SPECIFICALLY FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS, FOR INSTANCE, THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN.

IF THERE'S AN UPDATE, ABLC WILL MEET STRICTLY ON ADA SO THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING UP TIME AND EXPANDING THE AGENDA FOR OTHER ITEMS THAT CAN BE QUICKLY TAKEN CARE OF DURING A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.

>> BACK TO WHAT THE BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO DO BY ORDINANCE.

THE PARK'S BOARD IS IT'S IN THE SECOND LINE.

IT RECOMMENDS POLICIES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR USE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

ONCE A YEAR SUBMITS TO THE CITY, THEN IT WAS A CITY ADMINISTRATOR.

NOW IT'S CITY MANAGER, RECOMMENDATIONS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER DUTIES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE TO BE GIVEN TO THEM BY YOU.

IT COULD BE THAT SINCE 1965, BY RESOLUTION, YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM OTHER DUTIES.

BUT THOSE RESOLUTIONS DON'T GET CODIFIED AND WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THOSE.

BUT IT'S FAIRLY NARROW AND YOU CAN MAKE IT NARROWER IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, MAKE IT NARROWER, MAKE IT A COMMITTEE PURSUANT TO THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION, AND THEY WOULD REPORT DIRECTLY TO ABLC BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

>> THE ABLC, IT'S ALLOWED TO THEN HAVE CONTROL OVER POLICY?

>> YEAH. IF YOU LOOK ON THE CHART, THE POWERS THAT YOUR ABLC HAVE ARE STATUTORY BUT THEY'RE ALSO DICTATED BY THE CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION, ABLC HAS MORE POWER BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE POWER OF FINANCING AND BONDING, WHEREAS PARKS BOARD DOES NOT HAVE THAT.

>> I THINK THIS IS ALL GOOD DISCUSSION.

I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE THIS TO EACH BOARD AS WELL OTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE REALLY THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? STREAMLINE, MAYBE THEY HAVE IDEAS AS WELL, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR THEIR INPUT.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD START AND I THINK WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING.

THEN GET THEIR INPUT AND FIND OUT, WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR YOU?

>> I'M GOING TO GO A STEP FURTHER.

I LIKE JUDAS' IDEA.

THE FIRST TWO BASICAL BULLET POINTS UNDER THE PURPOSE OF ANGLETON PARK AND RECREATION BOARD TO RECOMMEND POLICIES.

IN THIS CASE, IT SAYS THE CITY COUNCIL TO THE ABLC FOR THE USE OF CITY PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

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THEN TO BASICALLY FOSTER IDEAS ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AS IT RELATES TO PARKS DEVELOPMENT.

THEN LIKE TO KEEP IT FAIRLY NARROWLY TAILORED IN THERE.

IF THEY NEED TO MAKE CREATE SOME OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES TO DRESS OTHER PARTS, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD GO, BUT I'LL LEAVE THEM IN THAT NARROWLY TAILORED AREA THAT WOULD HELP STREAMLINE YELLS, MEETINGS AND THE PURPOSE OF THEM SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR MEANING FOR.

THEN USE BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL'S POINTED OUT THEY WOULD STILL GO TO ABLC AND PRESENT THOSE WHATEVER CONCERNS, ISSUES, IDEAS, HOPES, DREAMS TO THEM AND GO FROM THERE.

I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T WORK WITH MR. COUNCILMAN WIGHT.

AS WELL, MAYOR PROTEM WRIGHT AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.

BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE AND MOVE A LITTLE BIT FORWARD.

>> WELL, AND I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE MEETINGS PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THE THE HIGH TOPICS AND MEGAN CERTAINLY KNOWS BECAUSE SHE'S IN ALL THE MEETINGS, BUT IF YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, WHAT ARE THE DRIVING INTERESTS, THEN THAT CAN BE WHAT YOUR COMMITTEE IS.

WHATEVER THOSE AREN'T THEY MAY NOT BE WHICH ORDINANCE SAYS NOW. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>> RIGHT.

>> I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM FOR ACTIONS TAKEN BECAUSE WE PUT THOSE PEOPLE IN THOSE POSITIONS AND LET'S HEAR FROM THEM.

>> HOW ABOUT WE SOCIALIZED WITH THE NEXT PARKS IN ABLC MEETING.

THEN AFTER THAT, COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH FEEDBACK AND THEN LOOK FOR COUNCIL GUIDANCE ON WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT TO MOVE.

>> I AGREE.

>> SOUNDS GOOD.

>> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> NEEDED ANY OTHER ACTION ON THIS ONE?

>> NO

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING TO NUMBER 17,

[17. Discussion and possible action on a financial plan revolved around half cent sales tax subsidy for park, Angleton Recreation Center and recreation division operational costs. ]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A FINANCIAL PLAN REVOLVED AROUND 0.5 CENTS SALES TAX SUBSIDY FOR PARK, ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER AND RECREATION DIVISION OPERATIONAL COSTS?

>> YES. ON JUNE 6TH, THE ANGLETON LIVING CORPORATION DID REQUEST THAT CITY COUNCIL DEVELOP A FINANCIAL PLAN TO ELIMINATE 0.5 CENTS SALES TAX SUBSIDY FOR PARKS AND RECREATION OPERATIONAL COSTS SO REVENUE COULD BE UTILIZED FOR FUTURE PARK RECREATION AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

WE DO HAVE SOME NUMBERS HERE LISTED BELOW, YOUR LAST YEAR OR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

THERE'S A SUBSIDY FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND THE MOUNT OF ABOUT $1,158,806, AND THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THE TOTAL WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE WE DID REDUCE THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER FOR PARTS PERSONNEL DOWN TO 30 PERCENT, IS RIGHT AROUND $1,110,153.

WE JUST WANT TO BRING THIS UP AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS.

ABLC ¢0.5 SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED FUNDING THAT DEPARTMENT IN THE FUTURE.

>> WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS FROM ABLC HERE AND YOU'VE SAT HERE THIS WHOLE NIGHT.

I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT YOU HAVE A COMMENT.

FEEL FREE. IT'S LATE AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE ALONG PRETTY FAST, BUT YOU'RE HERE, SO.

>> THANK YOU. I LIKE THE IDEA OF WHAT YOU HAD THERE BECAUSE THINGS EVOLVE.

WHERE WE'VE MOVED FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE ABLC TO WHERE WE ARE NOW DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

BUT WHERE WE ARE, IS THERE IS NO LONGER THE VIABILITY OF GOING OUT FOR BONDING AS OFTEN AS WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO, BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH OF THAT 0.5 CENTS SALES TAX TO UNDERWRITE TO THE TUNE OF $750,000 FOR THE REC CENTER.

WHAT IF ALL THE CITIZENS KNEW THAT? THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE DISAPPOINTED IN THE MANAGEMENT OF THAT AND THEN ON TOP OF IT, IT'S THE OTHER PORTION THAT WE'RE PAYING OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

NOW, THE FUNDS GOT TO COME FROM SOMEPLACE, IT'S EVOLVED THAT THEY HAVE SET SALES TAX FOR ABLC'S PAYING THAT.

IF IT WASN'T COMING OUT OF OUR BUCKET, IT WOULD COME OUT OF A BUCKET THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT YOU'RE ALSO TRYING TO FUND OTHER STUFF.

WE NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON IT.

THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED SOME NEW THINGS AT THE REC CENTER, WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE US MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

IT WILL NEVER MAKE MONEY, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT MUCH MONEY.

I THINK WE ALL ENJOY PARKS.

PARKS ARE FUN, PARKS ARE GOOD TO HAVE.

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BUT IF YOU CAN'T TURN ON YOUR WATER, FLUSH YOUR COMMODE, YOU MAY NOT CARE ABOUT THE PARKS.

THE REAL ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET TO IS SOME ABILITY TO FUND PARKS AND RECREATION WITHOUT IT BEING MORE AND MORE ON THE 0.5 CENTS SALES TAX BECAUSE THEN WE CAN'T FUND A NEW PARK.

WE CAN'T FUND A FREEDOM PARK.

WE CAN'T NUMBER TWO, OR A LAKESIDE PARK BECAUSE THERE IS NO MARGIN TO DO THAT FUNDING.

NOW THE GREAT THING IS THAT OUR WONDERFUL PARKS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR IS WITH MEGATONS NOW WE'RE GETTING SOME OTHER FUNDS THAT WE USED TO NOT HAVE.

WHAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS OR WHERE COULD ALL OF THE VARIOUS SOURCES COME FROM THAT COULD FUND PARKS.

THE LAND IS BEING FUNDED, AT LEAST MOSTLY FROM THAT, THE DIFFICULTY IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

THE REC CENTER IS GETTING OLD, WE HAVE ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY TO BUYING THE NEW AIR CONDITIONER OR DOING THE NEW ROOFS.

PART OF THAT IS JUST AN AGE OF A BUILDING, BUT IT'S IT'S A HARD SITUATION.

YOU GUYS ARE UP HERE TRYING TO RESOLVE SO MANY ISSUES THAT THE CITY HAS, THIS IS ONLY ONE OF THEM, BUT IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD AND STILL LEAVE SOME MONEY THERE SO WE CAN BOND AND HAVE SOMETHING NEW FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> DR. JACKSON, YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? COUNCIL, DISCUSSION? WELL, WHAT GUIDANCE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? I'M A LITTLE BIT IN THE DARK AT ALL.

ARE WE LOOKING AT SETTING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE? ARE WE LOOKING AT SETTING A CERTAIN MONETARY VALUE? ARE WE LOOKING AT SETTING UP A PERCENTAGE OF FOCUS BEING TOWARDS CERTAIN PARTS SUCH AS THE REC CENTER OR STAFF? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME GUIDANCE.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? A COMPLETE BREAK? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT.

>> I WON'T BE ABLE TO PAINT THAT FULL PICTURE FOR YOU.

BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S JUST WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY HAPPENED.

WHEN I WAS FIRST HIRED, I THINK IT WAS THAT FIRST YEAR 2018, WE WERE WORKING ON THE BUDGET, AND THAT WAS THE INTRODUCTION OF A 50 PERCENT TRANSFER FROM ABLC INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO HELP PAY FOR PARKS PERSONNEL.

THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT ABLC DID IN THE PAST AND SUBSEQUENT YEARS, WE'VE DROPPED THAT DOWN TO 40 PERCENT AND THEN THIS YEAR 30 PERCENT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE UPON THE REQUEST OF ABLC.

IF THAT PROVIDES ANY INSIGHT THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE THEY'RE HOPING TO GO.

>> AGAIN, WE'VE HAD REQUESTS FROM ABLC TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO GO TO ZERO, AND I SAID THIS NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE CITY BUDGET.

IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO DO SO, THAT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION.

AGAIN, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FIVE PERCENT A YEAR, DOWN TO ZERO OR 10 PERCENT, THERE'S ALL WHATEVER, BUT WE JUST NEED GUIDANCE FROM YOU.

WHETHER YOU SAY, HEY, WE AGREE TO THAT OR WE DON'T, OR WE'LL DISCUSS NEXT YEAR OR AS WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND SALES TAX AND WHATEVER.

RIGHT NOW, GETTING READY TO GO IN THE FINAL PART OF THE BUDGET, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DICEY AS FAR AS CONSIDERING, WHAT'S THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? [OVERLAPPING] FOR THE PARKS PERSONNEL.

>> FOR THE PARKS PERSONNEL THIS YEAR, IT'S RIGHT AROUND 275,727 FOR THE 30 PERCENT TRANSFER.

>> AGAIN, JUDITH CAN HELP ME OUT, BUT I THINK IT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE ABLC MISSION, FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT STARTED.

WAS THAT BY ORDINANCE?

>> WHAT WAS BY ORDINANCE?

>> IN ARTICLES OF COOPERATION.

>> SAYS PAYING FOR PARK OPERATIONS.

>> HONESTLY, I THINK I'D HAVE TO REFERENCE BACK TO THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK TOO.

>> BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IT'S A REQUEST.

I CONSIDER IT A REQUEST FROM ABLC BECAUSE THEY'VE ASKED ME A COUPLE OF

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TIMES TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT THEY'RE PAYING TOWARD PARK'S OPERATION COSTS TO WHATEVER DEGREE THAT IS.

THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU OR IF OR NOT YOU WANT TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

>> AND REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO SALES TAX.

A HIGH TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS.

IT MAKES IT A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE FOR BOTH THE COUNCIL TO FUND FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND FOR ABLC TO FUND FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FUND OR THE ABLC FUND.

I AGREE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE SUBSIDIZING 50 PERCENT.

THE QUESTION IS, AT WHAT LEVEL DO WE WANT TO SEE THERE? I THINK WE'VE MADE TO ACTION; WE'VE TAKEN IT DOWN 10 PERCENT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS NOW, RIGHT?

>> WE WENT FROM 50 TO 40 TO 30.

DO WE THINK ABLC SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF FINANCIAL OBLIGATION? BECAUSE AS MORE PARKS COME ONLINE AS THE BUILDING AGES AT THE REC CENTER.

AS WE EXPAND OUR PARKS AND RECREATION FOOTPRINT, AND THAT'S USUALLY BEING DONE BY ABLC THROUGH BONDING CAPACITY.

UNLESS FOR SOME REASON WE BOND IT FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

AT WHAT POINT DO THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PAY FOR SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION PIECE? OR SHOULD THEY JUST BE FOR BONDING AND BUILDING EVERYTHING? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT REALLY WE GOT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON.

>> I GUESS YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL INTENT OF WHAT THE VOTERS WERE LED TO BELIEVE WHEN THEY VOTED THIS IN.

>> WHAT WAS THE CHARTER?

>> I DON'T REMEMBER BEING TOLD, HEY, THE BOAT TO SAY ABLC AND WE CAN PAY SALARIES OF WELL, WE SPOKE.

IT WAS INTENDED TO GO OUT AND ESTABLISH PARKS, BUILD A RECREATION CENTER, BUILD A BRAND NEW LITERALLY FEEL ENHANCED THE GIRLS SOFTBALL FIELD, BUT I JUST DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING ADDRESSED.

ALL THE MINUTIA OF THE OPERATIONS AND PAYING LIGHT BILLS AND STUFF THAT WAS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT.

I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG.

BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WE JUST SEEM TO GO BACK TO SEE WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS FOR ALL THIS AND NOT JUST SAY, HEY, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF WE STOLE SOME OF THAT ABLC MONEY TO DO THIS OTHER STUFF AND THEN [OVERLAPPING] SHOVE IT INTO THIS DEFINITION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

>> I'M JUST SAYING IT'S IN THE WORDING OF THE PURPOSE.

>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DOCUMENT.

WHAT IS THE DOCUMENT SAYING? THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.

>> I'M NOT TRYING TO BE SENSATIONAL.

IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'D HAVE TO BE CONCERNED IF ABLC WAS ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PURCHASE LAND AND DEVELOP PARKS.

SOMEBODY'S GOT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE PARKS.

>> YES SIR.

>> IT DOES SAY IN THE BY-LAWS OPERATION COSTS.

>> OPERATION COSTS. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD, I'M NOT SAYING ABLC WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE AND JUST GO CONTINUE AND BUY LAND, BUY LAND, BUY LAND AND BE LIKE THAT.

[OVERLAPPING] BUT THERE'S GOT TO HAVE SOME TEETH IN THE GAME AND IF THEY KNEW THAT WE WERE HAVING TO HELP IN THE OPERATION PORTION OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THEN THEY'RE MORE COGNIZANT ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS ARE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP.

BECAUSE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M AS BIGGER PARKS FAN AS THERE IS AND WHAT IT ADDS TO THE VALUE TO THE CITY, TO YOUR LIFE, TO YOUR COMFORTS.

IT'S THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

PROUD TO SAY, I REALLY BELIEVE WE HAVE A FANTASTIC PARK SYSTEM AND I KNOW IT'S GOT A GREAT PARK RECREATION CENTER.

BUT THERE'S JUST ALWAYS GOT TO BE THIS BALANCE AND THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO FIND.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISCONSTRUE WHAT ABLC WAS SET UP FOR.

>> MR. BOOTH, ON THAT, I WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIND THE BALLOT FOR THAT VERY REASON.

YES, WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION, WE HAVE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.

>> THE BALLOT, THE VOTING.

>> BUT THE ACTUAL BALLOT LANGUAGE.

I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THAT.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S SOMEWHERE IN CITY RECORDS.

BUT I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

LET'S LOOK AT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND THEN FIGURE OUT IF THE BALLOT LANGUAGE ACTUALLY DOES MATCH THE LANGUAGE IN YOUR ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.

BECAUSE I CAN BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU THAT ANY FIVE ATTORNEYS WILL READ A SENTENCE AND INTERPRET IT DIFFERENTLY.

[LAUGHTER] IF YOU READ SECTION 5,

[01:55:02]

EXPENDITURES OF CORPORATE MONEY, IT DOES SAY PROCEEDS DERIVED FROM THE SALE OF OBLIGATIONS MAY BE EXPENDED BY THE CORPORATION FOR PAYMENT OF THE COST OF LAND, BUILDINGS, EQUIPMENT, FACILITIES, IMPROVEMENTS, AND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION COSTS FOR COMMUNITY CENTERS, PUBLIC PARK PURPOSES, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS.

ANOTHER ATTORNEY COULD WALK INTO THIS ROOM AND SAY, IS THAT REALLY THE CASE, IS IT THE OPERATING OF, SO I AGREE WITH YOU, LET'S SATISFY YOUR CITIZENS, PULL OUT THE BALLOT AND LET'S DO WHAT'S RIGHT.

>> AS A MEMBER OF ABLC I AGREE WITH CHARLATANS POINT OF WE WANT TO GROW OUR PARKS AND IMPROVE OUR PARKS.

THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE STREET FUND.

AT ONE POINT WE WERE PAYING SALARIES AND WAGES AND EVERYTHING OUT OF STREET FUND FROM THAT MONEY THAT WE COULDN'T FIX THE STREET, WE COULD JUST DO SOME OVERLAYS AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT.

ABLC TO THE POINT THAT STREET FUND WAS BECAUSE THE SAME THING HAPPENED, ALLOCATIONS TO THE ACCOUNT.

NOW, I AGREE WITH FREEING UP MONEY AND WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE BEEN DROPPING IT.

I'M NOT SO SURE UNLESS THE INTENSE SAYS THAT YOU CANNOT OR YOU SHOULDN'T AND THAT'S WHAT THE VOTERS THOUGHT.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M OF THE MIND THAT WE JUST KEEP REDUCING IT.

CAN WE GET TO ZERO? I'D LIKE TO SHOOT FOR ZERO.

CAN THAT HAPPEN? I'M NOT SO SURE.

I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN THE TAXPAYER AND THE PROPERTY TAX SIDE AS WELL.

SHOULD WE SAY, OKAY, ANY PROJECTS FOR PARKS? MAYBE THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM WHERE ANY PROJECTS FOR PARKS OF NEW SWING SETS OR MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKS, MAYBE THAT GOES OUT THE GENERAL FUND AND GOES TO ABLC INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR PARKING PERSONNEL.

MAY THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM IN THERE SOMEWHERE.

>> MAYBE YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE DIRECT.

THIS IS JUST SPIT BALLING IDEAS OUT THERE.

BUT WHAT IF ABLC WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH PAYING THE SALARY OF THE PARK'S BOARD DIRECTOR.

>> THE ONLY EXPENDITURES THAT THE ABLC CAN MAKE ARE THOSE THAT ARE STATUTORILY APPROVED.

>> THAT'S NOT ONE OF THEM.

THE LANGUAGE I JUST READ TO YOU DOES COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, SO YOU ARE OPERATING WITHIN STATE LAW.

THAT WOULD NOT BE AN OPTION.

THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS.

>> THERE OTHER OPTIONS MAYBE NOT A SALARY, BUT IT PUT SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR.

>> IT CAN'T.

>> IT'S GOT TO BE A GENERAL?

>> REPLACING AGING EQUIPMENT WOULD COUNT.

NEW LIGHTING WOULD COUNT. THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> IT'S MAINTENANCE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT?

>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS GETTING AWAY FROM PAYING FOR SALARIES AND WAGES OF PARK PERSONNEL OPERATIONS AND SOMEHOW DRIVING MORE OF THE OTHER OPERATIONAL COST.

>> OPERATIONAL COSTS.

>> I'M TALKING AND I GUESS YOU COULD SAY OPERATIONAL COSTS.

>> BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE LINE ITEM WISE IN PARKS AND EVEN IN RECREATION IS REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE ON BUILDINGS.

THAT'S OUR HIGHEST ACCOUNT, AN ANGLE TO RECREATION CENTERS, WE BUDGET $45-$50 JUST FOR REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY.

SAME THING FOR YOUR PARKS.

REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE.

>> NEW SIGNAGE.

>> BUT I LIKE YOUR IDEA. LIKE WHERE YOU COULD GO TO OPERATIONAL COSTS, GET OUT OF.

>> THE PERSONNEL.

>> PERSONNEL, AND THEN THAT WOULD HELP THEM TO DRIVE TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO BECAUSE THAT'S ULTIMATELY THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE ANNUALLY.

>> I'LL TELL YOU THE OPERATING SIDE IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER THAN THE SALARIES AND WAGES, THEIR PERSONAL COST.

>> BECAUSE YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT ABLC HAS ALIGNED THEM WITH THE PARKS BECAUSE IF ABLC GOES TO DIFFERENT DIRECTION, MEGAN'S GOT X, Y, AND Z THAT THEY CARE OF.

BUT THAT ONE SAYS, NO, WE WANT TO BUILD NEW SWING SETS.

>> I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT THOUGH.

I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A RULE OF A PERCENTAGE.

IT IS A DIRECT.

>> I MAY THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN DONE AND THE BOARD CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE WOULD AS A DEPARTMENT COME TO THE BOARD WITH PROJECTS, VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND SAY, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN FUNDING THESE PROJECTS? REALLY LIKE MOST EDC BOARDS, A LOT OF THEM ONLY MEET ANNUALLY TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH FOR OUR PROJECT PRIORITY.

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WHICH ONES WOULD YOU LIKE TO FUND?

>> BUT THEIR PROJECTS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHICH YOU CURRENTLY CAN DO.

>> WITHIN OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET.

>> WHO HAS THE FINAL WORD OF ABLC'S BUDGET? THEM OR US?

>> CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? WHAT DID HE SAY?

>> WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BUDGET?

>> CITY COUNCIL.

>> JUST THE SAME AS ANY OTHER DIFFERENCE BUDGET.

>> ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS COMMENTED AND SAID THAT A ABLC HAS TO SUBMIT A BUDGET EACH YEAR APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

ANY DEVIATION HAS TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL.

BUT I AGREE WITH MINIMIZING THE SUBSIDY AND BRINGING IT DOWN HERE TO ZERO DEGREE AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO STRIVE TO.

>> BUT SO IF ABLC IS ULTIMATELY IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN BUDGET, THEY CAN ZERO OUT THE PARKS AND OPS PERSONNEL AND WHAT DO YOU ALL GOING TO DO AS A CITY?

>> ANOTHER BUDGET?

>> IT'S ANOTHER BUDGET.

>> YOU ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL IS IN CHARGE OF THE BUDGET?

>> I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

>> ULTIMATELY REMOVE EVERYTHING IN CITY.

>> I'M ANSWERING THAT QUESTION THROUGH THAT VIGNETTE.

>> BUT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH ABLC AND I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T.

>> WE LOOK INTO GET TO A CERTAIN POINT TONIGHT THOUGH? DID THEY WANT A HARD FIGURE? WHAT DO YOU WANT?

>> THEY REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN THE PERCENTAGE THAT THEY'VE BEEN PAYING.

>> TODAY SAY WHAT THE PERCENTAGE THERE?

>> TEN PERCENT.

>> FORTY TO 30 PERCENT.

>> REDUCTION OF 10 PERCENT NOT 10 PERCENT IN TOTAL.

>> OKAY, I'M MAKING SURE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I JUST MAKE SURE.

>> IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET?

>> THAT'S TWO YEARS OF 10 PERCENT REDUCTION.

I THINK WITH THE NEW GROWTH THAT WE HAVE, THE SALES TAX REVENUE, I'M GOING TO BE THE OPTIMIST AND SAY WE CAN KEEP DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

TANISHA, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING FROM YOUR SIDE?

>> [LAUGHTER] NO I HAVEN'T DONE THE NAILS, DAD IS UP TO COUNCIL.

>> SO WHAT'S 10 PERCENT? WHAT'S THE NUMBER?

>> TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY-FIVE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY-SEVEN DOLLARS.

>> THAT'S THE NEW NUMBER FOR THIS YEAR?

>> I'M SORRY, WHAT?

>> WHAT IS 10 PERCENT REDUCTION COST?

>> THE DIFFERENCE?

>> YEAH [LAUGHTER] WE'LL SEE.

>> ALMOST 70,000.

>> TWENTY-FIVE SIX THIRTY-EIGHT, A LITTLE OVER 60,000.

>> SIXTY-TWO-FIVE FORTY-FOUR.

>> YEAH, 574, SO WHAT YOU HAVE 62574.

>> OKAY. YEAH.

>> THAT'S BASICALLY PROBABLY WHAT, A WHOLE POSITION MAYBE TWO.

>> IT MAY BE, YEAH.

>> ONE POSITION AND A HALF OR SOMETHING.

>> YEAH,20 HOURS EMPLOYEE AND BENEFITS.

>> THE POSITION IN A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE MAYBE.

>> I'M AT THE POINT TO ASK, IS THERE COUNCIL DIRECTION FOR THIS BUDGET, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER IT FOR THE NEXT BUDGET? WHAT'S YOUR FLAVOR? I PREFER IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.

>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS MOTION SHARED, I'M OKAY WITH WHERE WE ARE FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH A BUDGET MEETING [LAUGHTER] WITH THESE WERE THE NUMBERS THAT WERE UTILIZED, SO WHETHER WE KNEW WE WERE DOING THAT AT THIS BUDGET OR NOT, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE.

LET'S JUST ROLL WITH IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND THIS IS JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER AND YOU ALL CAN PICK A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ONE.

I WOULD LIKE TO STAY NO LOWER THAN A QUARTER SO 25 PERCENT FOR SUBSIDIZING PART PERSONNEL BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY REASONABLE AND THAT GOES BACK TO MY LITTLE SKIN IN THE GAME.

>> IT STILL ALLOWS HOPEFULLY 75 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET TO ADDRESS WHATEVER ELSE THEY WANT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RELOOKED AT, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE A FLAT 25 EVERY YEAR.

[02:05:02]

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A LOAN OF 25 PRESENTLY, BUT MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, LITTLE GROWTH, LITTLE MORE TAXES, WE CAN MAKE UP THOSE DIFFERENCES ON OUR SIDE, MAYBE WE DROP TO 20, BUT I MEAN, I THINK 25 PERCENT FOR NOW.

>> MAYBE THE DIRECTION TO STAFF WOULD BE TO LOOK AT NEXT BUDGET YEAR AS A REDUCTION OF 25 PERCENT. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

>> FIVE PERCENT TO 25 PERCENT.

>> RIGHT, AND THEN YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT EVERY YEAR, I WOULDN'T SAY GO TO ZERO OR GO TO TEN OR WHATEVER, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT EVERY YEAR INDEPENDENTLY.

>> LOOKING AT REDUCING THAT AS YOU CAN.

>> I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND TO TRY TO ACHIEVE A FIVE PERCENT REDUCTION EVERY YEAR UNTIL WE CAN GET 15,10.

BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> I WAS THINKING 20 PERCENT OF IT.

>> I MEAN, IT`S JUST SO HARD TO SAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO DO.

>> LIKE I SAID, WE DON T TRY TO ACHIEVE.

>> BUT I MEAN, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE CURRENT AMOUNT.

>> YOU MEAN WE CAN LOOK AT NEXT YEAR.

>> I THINK MARK'S GOT AN IDEA FOR A FIVE PERCENT REDUCTION TO TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT SUBSIDY.

>> OKAY, SO WE GET THAT INTO MOTION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS WE GO ON WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT JUST TO SIT THERE AND LET THINGS GO LIKE THEY'VE BEEN.

>> WE WANT TO SEE AVLC GENERATE MONEY THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE TOWARDS SOME NEW STUFF RATHER THAN JUST REPEATING THE SAME OLD SAYING OVER AND OVER.

>> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE US MAKE SURE WE DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE SEEING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STREET FUND BEFORE ITS DEMISE IT WAS HORRIBLE.

>> RAISE A MOTION.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CURRENT REDUCTION OF 10 PERCENT, TO A SUBSIDIZE OF 30 PERCENT, WHICH I THINK WAS ALREADY PRESENTED ON JUNE 6TH, 2022.

>> FOR NEXT BUDGET YEAR?

>> FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR AND FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR WE LOOK AT ANOTHER REDUCTION IN THE PERCENTAGE OF SUBSIDY, SO HOPEFULLY, IT'S TRACKING THE FIVE PERCENT DOWN AND THAT WILL GIVE US A GOAL TO WORK WITH THE CITY, TO WORK A LITTLE TIGHTER AND HOPEFULLY GIVE A LITTLE MORE READABILITY AVLC.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNS AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ANGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WANT TO THANK YOU TOO, MEMBERS, FROM AVLC SHOWING UP TONIGHT AND BEING HERE.

APPRECIATE YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE SIGN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, I.

>> I.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN, MOTION CARRIES.

>> IT IS 9:37, I'M GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL RESUME AT 9:45 AT THE LATEST.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> WE ARE GOING TO REGULATE [LAUGHTER].

>> WE WILL RESUME AT 9:50, ITEM NUMBER 18, DISCUSSION OF

[18. Discussion and possible action on the development agreement for the Live Oak Ranch Subdivision. ]

POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE LIVE OAK RANCH SUBDIVISION.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PROTEM, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS YOU READ, THE LIBEL GRANTS SUBDIVISION, IT`S 65 LOTS IN THE SF 6.3 ZONING DISTRICT AT AN ANGLE TURN BOULEVARD AT DALLAS AND I WANT TO SAY PASS DROP STREET, I DON'T REMEMBER BOTH STREET NAMES.

THIS IS ABOUT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT GETS, I PASSED OUT THE FENCE EXHIBIT THAT I GOT EMAILED TO ME THIS MORNING, OTHERWISE, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY, THERE'S NO PIT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, IT'S ABOUT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT GETS, MR. MAYOR THE DEVELOPER'S HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

>> THESE ROADS ALL LINE-UP, CORRECT? DALLAS TO DALLAS AND BUS-DROP TO BUS-DROP?

>> YES, THEY DO.

>> WELL, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST STAY UP THERE.

>> YEAH. WALTER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, I MEAN, [LAUGHTER] YOU GOT TO LEARN SOMETIME.

>> I KNOW. I KNOW.

>> I KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

>> THESE ARE ALL 50-FOOT WIDE LOTS.

>> SIXTY.

>> THE HOMES ON THE ADJOINING STREET, RIGHT NEXT TO IT, WHAT ARE THOSE 65-FOOT LOTS? THEY TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THIS NEW SUDDEN VERSION.

>> GET YOUR GLASSES.

>> ARE WE FINISHING?

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

[02:10:02]

>> YEAH, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LARGER.

>> YEAH. OKAY.

>> THIS DOES FINISH HAMILTON BOULEVARD.

>> WE FINISHED HAMILTON BOULEVARD? SWEET.

>> I HAD A FEW PEOPLE REACH OUT AND THE SINGLE LANE, HAMILTON BOULEVARD, COLLECTS WATER AND IS DANGEROUS, THEIR NEIGHBORS USE IT AS A PATH WALKWAY, SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE IT FINISHED, AND HOPEFULLY, THE DRAINAGE WILL BE FIXED AND MOVED ON, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING 60 FOOT WIDE LOATS AND RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> I AGREE. YES, AND COUNCILMAN DANIEL, YES, WE'VE BEMOANED THE CURRENT STATUS OF HAMILTON BOULEVARD FOR A WHILE NOW.

>> YEAH, TOO LITTLE TO RATE.

>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DRAINAGES, YOU'RE PUTTING THE RETENTION AT THE FAR EAST SIDE NOW, AND IS THAT FLOWING BACK INTO THE DITCH ON THE BACKSIDE IT`S GOING SOUTH TOWARDS THE TRACK, WHERE'S IT GOING?

>> WELL, THERE IS TWO DITCHES.

I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S TWO, AND THE OTHER ONE OUTFALL, AND I HAD THE ENGINEERING PLANS IN MY EMAIL, BUT IT'S GOING INTO ONE OF THOSE DITCHES.

I BELIEVE IT'S THE ONE GOING EAST-WEST.

>> THERE IS A MAJOR CITY OF HAMILTON DITCH IT COMES UNDERNEATH HIGHWAY 35, THEY WERE BOOKED TWO HITS, IT GOES DUE EAST.

>> RIGHT?

>> IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN AND DUMPS INTO BRUSHY BIO CLOSE TO BRUSHY VOWELS IN INTERSECTION WITH HOSPITAL GROUND, SO THIS DETENTION POND SHOULD DISCHARGE INTO THAT DITCH TO GO OUT TO THE EAST.

>> I JUST COULDN'T SEE IT ON HERE.

I BET IF I PULLED UP THE MAP IT'S A LOT EASIER.

>> IT'S ON THE MAP.

>> WHAT SIZE HOMES ARE YOU LOOKING AT ON HERE, JUST WONDERING?

>> WELL, I'M NOT BUILDING THE HOMES, I'LL JUST BE DEVELOPING THE LOTS AND THEN SELL THEM TO THE HOME BUILDER, SO IT'S UP TO THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

>> HOW MANY DEVELOPERS ARE YOU WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW ARE BUILDERS?

>> ONE.

>> JUST ONE? SO THEY'LL HAVE THE WHOLE SUB-DIVISION?

>> ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, THERE'S NO SPECIAL CAVEATS, OTHERS SAYING THEY'LL PAY THE FEES, ALL THE CAFES AND THE PARKING FEES, AND ALL THAT STUFF.

>> I ALSO LIKE THAT THERE'S NO PED. THANK YOU FOR THAT TOO.

>> COUNSEL.

>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE LIVE OAK RANCH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

>> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND TO APPROVE THE LIVE OAK RANCH SUB DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING.

>> THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND. I HAVE NUMBER 19, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 1 WITH

[19. Discussion and possible action on Change Order No. 1 with HTI Construction, Inc., for Ridgecrest and Robinhood Lane, 2021 Street Bond Project. ]

HTI CONSTRUCTION FOR RIDGE CREST IN ROBIN HOOD LANE, 2021 STREET LAWN PROJECTS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. HTI IS MOVING ALONG IN THE PROJECT VERY WELL.

ACTUALLY, THEY'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ON THE PAVING.

THEY'LL HAVE THE WHOLE ENTIRE LANE IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL DONE HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK.

THEY WILL BE MEETING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE WATERLINE REPLACEMENT.

THEY ARE DOING REALLY WELL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HTI CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT WAS THE COST OF CONCRETE THAT THEY'RE PURCHASING AND THE PRICE INCREASE THAT'S GONE UP.

I TOLD THEM, PUT TOGETHER YOUR INFORMATION, I'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A DECISION THAT COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE.

BASICALLY, HE PROVIDED US TWO LETTERS THAT HE HAS RECEIVED FROM

[02:15:07]

TWO DIFFERENT CONCRETE COMPANIES STATING THAT THE PRICE THAT THEY WERE GIVEN WHENEVER THEY BID THE PROJECT IS GOING TO GO UP $10 A CUBIC YARD, WHICH HE IS BASICALLY WHEN CALCULATED, THAT'S ABOUT A $23,000 INCREASE IN COST TO HIM FROM WHERE HE WAS AT WHEN HE BID AT THE TIME OF BID.

IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE.

HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, [NOISE] AND I'VE INCLUDED THE COST FOR HIS LIME HAS GONE UP QUITE A BIT, $12 PER YARD.

NOW, HE'S SAYING THAT HE'S GOING TO GO AHEAD AND HE'LL HANDLE THAT COST.

HE'S NOT GOING TO REQUEST THAT COST, BUT THE CONCRETE COST, HE'S ASKING FOR SOME RELIEF.

NOW, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE ANY OF THE COSTS.

YOU BID IT. THAT'S YOUR BID. HOLD TO YOUR BID.

GIVEN THE FACTS, THIS IS REALLY STRANGE TIMES.

CONCRETE IS IN A SHORTAGE.

IF YOU SEE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY ARE GOING UP A SIGNIFICANT COST ON HIM DURING THIS TIME.

THE PROJECT WAS ESTIMATED, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE AROUND ABOUT 2 MILLION DOLLARS, 1.9 MILLION.

HE CAME IN AT 1.66.

THE NEXT BIDDER CAME IN, RIGHT ABOUT THE $2 MILLION MARK.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT $450,000 BETWEEN THE TWO.

IF COUNCIL WERE TO ENTERTAIN THE 23,000 THAT HE'S REQUESTING OR A PORTION OF IT, EVEN IF HE DID THE WHOLE THING, HE WOULD STILL BE $400,000 BELOW WHAT THE NEXT BIDDER IS.

AS I TOLD HIM, I WOULD COME, I WOULD GIVE THE INFORMATION TO COUNCIL.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A POLICY THING MORE THAN AN ENGINEERING THING.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW THAT HE IS MAKING THAT REQUEST.

>> COUNCILMAN BOOTH CALLED IT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.

>> SINCE I SAW THIS ITEM I'VE BEEN REALLY WONDERING, IF I SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW, I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.

THE CITY OF ANGLETON ENTERED INTO A UNIT PRICE CONTRACT WITH THIS CONTRACTOR FOR THIS PROJECT.

THAT'S VERY COMMON.

UNIT PRICE CONTRACTS ARE VERY COMMON IN MUNICIPALITIES, COUNTIES, STATES.

OUR DEPARTMENT DOES IT IN ALL THE PROJECTS.

BIDDERS ARE EXPECTED TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.

IN BIDDING THESE PROJECTS WHAT ARE THESE RAW MATERIALS IS GOING TO COST ME? WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT, TO DO THE WORK? REACH OUT TO THEIR SUPPLIERS AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU SEE ON THE HORIZON THAT WE CAN KNOW AS BEST AS POSSIBLE AHEAD OF TIME, WHAT'S GOING ON? IN THE WORLD OF CONCRETE, PVC, THIS PROJECT OBVIOUSLY IS A HEAVILY WEIGHTED ON THE CONCRETE SIDE.

PRIOR TO THIS PROJECT BEING BID, WE HAD BEEN SEEING SOME EXTRAORDINARY PRICE INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD.

YOU HEARD ABOUT IT IN HOME CONSTRUCTION.

YOU'VE SEEN THE PRICES OF HOUSING AND EVERYTHING.

THE FIRST THING THEY PUT ON THE GROUND WHEN YOU BUILD A HOUSE WAS A CONCRETE SLAB AND PVC BIDDING.

PVC AND CONCRETE HAVE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF.

YES, THERE ARE QUITE A BIT OF PRICE INCREASES.

BUT IT SURPRISES ME THAT HE WASN'T ANTICIPATING A PRICE INCREASE LIKE THIS.

I HAD TALKED TO OTHER CONTRACTORS.

THEY HAD LETTERS IN HAND FROM TWO LOCAL CONTRACTORS, ONE OF WHICH IS ALLIED, WHO SENT HIM THIS NOTE.

THEY SAID THEY WERE TOLD TO, IN ABOUT A QUARTERLY CYCLE, YOU CAN PRETTY WELL FIGURE ON A 5-8 PERCENT INCREASE IN CONCRETE PRICES.

THEY WERE TOLD THIS EARLY IN THE YEAR.

[02:20:03]

THIS IS JUST WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.

A BIG PART OF IT IS JUST GETTING THE CEMENT, THAT'S THE BINDER FOR THIS MATERIAL, FOR THIS CONCRETE.

THAT HAS BECOME A BIG PRICE.

JOHN, WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD DURING THE PRE-BID MEETING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT WITH THE BIDDERS?

>> WE TALKED ABOUT IT AS A UNIT PRICE CONTRACT THAT THE UNIT PRICE THAT THEY PROVIDE IS THE PRICE THAT THE CITY WILL AWARD THE CONTRACT ON AND THAT SPECIFIC PRICE WILL BE HELD FOR THE PROJECT.

JUST LIKE ANY TYPICAL PROJECT.

>> [NOISE] I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

>> SURE.

>> THE FIRST PLACEMENT OF CONCRETE OUT THERE THAT I SAW WAS ABOUT THE 20TH OF JULY, THAT AND SUBSEQUENT LITTLE BIT OF CONCRETE.

FOR RIDGE CREST, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A FOURTH OF THE PROJECT, CONCRETE PAVING, MORE OR LESS.

ABOUT HALF OF THE SOUTH, HALF OF THE STREET.

WHEN WERE BIDS TAKEN?

>> BIDS WE'RE TAKING APRIL 19TH.

>> APRIL 19TH. THREE MONTHS LATER HE GETS A $10 A CUBIC YARD INCREASE.

HE PRETTY WELL EXPECTS SOME INCREASE LIKE THAT IN ANOTHER THREE MONTHS AND IN ANOTHER THREE MONTHS.

>> THERE IS TALKS OF THE CONCRETE IS GOING TO CONTINUE GOING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

THAT IS CORRECT. [NOISE]

>> BECAUSE WE ISSUE CONTRACTS THAT ARE UNIT PRICE CONTRACTS, SO YOU KNOW THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU.

THAT'S WHY YOU ENTER INTO CONTRACTS WITH PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE THESE THINGS FACTORED INTO THEM.

I FEEL FOR THE GUY.

I JUST THINK HE LOW-BALLED HIS PRICE.

NOW HE'S COMING BACK TO SAY, "I CAN'T DO THE PROJECT BECAUSE I GAVE YOU A PRICE THAT WAS TOO SMALL," AND THE CONCRETE'S GOING UP LIKE WE KNEW IT WOULD.

[NOISE] I FIND IT'S POTENTIALLY GETTING BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD PLACE.

WE DENY THE PRICE INCREASE AND HE GETS STUCK WITH A CONCRETE TICKET THAT HE CAN'T MAKE HIS PAYROLL.

HE SAYS, "I GOT TO DRAG IT BUT I CAN'T DO THE PROJECT." NOW WE'RE GOING TO THE BONDING COMPANY TO GET THE PROJECT FINISHED.

THAT'S JUST GOING TO EXTEND AND EXTEND BECAUSE IF YOU'VE EVER GONE THROUGH THAT EPISODE BEFORE, BUT THAT IS NOT A FUN DEAL GOING TO THE BONDING.

I PROBABLY JUST BROUGHT UP MORE QUESTIONS THAN YOU HAD BEFORE THIS DISCUSSION.

[NOISE] I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND WHEN THOSE CONTRACTORS HEAR THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET A PRICE INCREASE ON THIS GUY'S CONCRETE, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY? [LAUGHTER] MY CONCRETE WENT UP TOO.

WE GOT A STEEL CONCRETE WATER TANK THAT'S FIXED TO GO UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE, AND HOPEFULLY QUICKLY.

>> YES SIR. [LAUGHTER]

>> WHO'S DOING THAT WORK?

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE DN TANKS.

>> I GUESS MY THING, AND I HEAR EVERYTHING COUNCILMAN BOOTH SAYING, AND I AGREE THAT WHEN YOU AWARD A CONTRACT, YOU'VE AWARDED THE CONTRACT AND THEY'VE GOT TO HONOR THAT.

[02:25:01]

WE'LL SAY THE WORK HTI HAS BEEN DOING IN THE CITY HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONAL, OF GETTING THINGS DONE ON TIME AND USUALLY WELL UNDER COST.

[NOISE] HERE'S MY THING WITH THE $23,000, THERE'S STILL $400,000 UNDER THE SECOND PLACED BIDDER.

BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT $23,000 TODAY AND ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER IN THREE MONTHS AND ANOTHER CHANGE ORDER IN THREE MONTHS.

THAT'S MY QUESTION; IS THIS GUY, WHEN HE'S ASKING FOR $23,000, IS IT, "$23,000 IS ALL I'M ASKING FOR.

I'M NOT COMING BACK WITH ANYMORE CHANGE ORDERS FOR THIS," OR IS THIS JUST THE START OF THE FIRST REQUEST?

>> I'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.

HE SAID THAT HE'S EXPECTING ANOTHER ONE COMING.

THE COST HERE, THE $23,000, IS JUST FOR THE INCREASE OF THIS ONE.

BY DEDUCTION, I WOULD SAY WHEN HE GETS HIT WITH ANOTHER INCREASE HE'S GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR ANOTHER INCREASE.

>> WHICH IT'LL PROBABLY BE DOUBLE THAN THIS, MORE LIKELY.

BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT HE BID VERSUS THE PRICE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO GO UP TO IN NEXT QUARTER OR SO.

>> HE WAS HERE EARLIER TODAY, BUT THEY GOT A FIVE O'CLOCK POUR IN THE MORNING ON RIDGE CREST.

HE HAS TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY BACK TO ROSENBURG SO HE LEFT WHEN YOU ALL CAME BACK OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT HTI HAS BEEN DOING FOR US.

THEY'VE DONE REALLY GOOD WORK.

THEY'RE REALLY EFFICIENT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I'VE WALKED FOR A COUPLE OF TIMES, THEY'VE WORKED HAVE ALL BEEN VERY COMPLIMENTARY OF THEM.

NORMALLY NOT A PROCESS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE ENTERING INTO, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF INFLATION GOING ON BUT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE HIS HOMEWORK AS COUNCILMAN BOOTH SAID, HE PROBABLY DIDN'T AT THE TIME.

BUT BEING THE GOODWILL THAT THEY'VE SHOWN US, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO GIVE IT THIS TIME.

BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE NEXT TIME THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

>> I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS AGAIN, MAYBE TWO LINES OF THOUGHT, BUT WHETHER YOU CONSIDER A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS OR DO YOU WANT TO BASICALLY TAKE A STAND AND DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND.

MY INITIAL THOUGHT WOULD BE, BECAUSE IT WAS SO BELOW COST, WE JUST GO AHEAD AND PAY THE DIFFERENCE.

BUT I AGREE WITH CECIL'S POINT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT HIM COMING BACK EVERY [NOISE] CHANGE ORDER, I'M WORRIED ABOUT OTHER CONTRACTS THE CITY IS ENTERED INTO AND IT'S EVERYBODY ELSE'S LIKE, "WELL, OKAY.

WELL, PANDORA'S BOX HAS BEEN OPENED. LET ME GO OUT."

>> THIS IS AN ABNORMAL REQUEST.

YOU DON'T GET THIS, TYPICALLY.

>> WE DON'T GET IT AND THEN WE APPROVE IT AND THEN WE DO GET THEM.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT COULD HAPPEN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE.

>> LIKE I TOLD HTI, ALL I CAN DO IS PRESENT THE INFORMATION AND THE COUNCIL TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT IT'S NOT A NORMAL REQUEST.

>> THIS IS HARD FOR ME HAVING BEEN WORKING AS A PROJECT ESTIMATOR [NOISE].

YOU PUT IN YOUR UNIT PRICES AND HE TRIED TO EXPECT FOR CERTAIN TOLERANCES.

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPECTED BUT ALSO, I'VE NEVER WORKED WITH THE MUNICIPALITY, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW STRINGENT IS IT.

IT IS, BUT USUALLY IN YOUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS YOU PUT IN THERE SOMETHING FOR SOME WIGGLE ROOM.

BUT IN THIS CASE, I GUESS THAT'S NOT VERY TYPICAL.

>> NO SIR.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT EVERYONE'S BEEN SAYING.

I THINK IF WE JUST PUT OUR FOOT DOWN AND ESTABLISH THAT THIS IS AN EXCEPTION BEING MADE BECAUSE OF WARMER,

[02:30:04]

POSITIVE WORK WITH THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR AND NOT OPENING A DOOR TO INVITE LOW BIDDERS TO THEN TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GOODWILL THAT WE ARE EXTENDING THIS ONE TIME.

>> I DIDN'T DO THE MATH REAL QUICK, $23,000 IS A MINIMAL PERCENTAGE OF HIS CONTRACT PRICE?

>> HE'S COVERING THE OTHER COST.

>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND PROVE THE PAYMENT IS $23,000.

>> I SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> JUST A CUP I THOUGHT WE WE'RE GOING TO GO THIS WAY.

[LAUGHTER] JOHN, WHEN YOU START A MORE CALM BUT I SUGGEST THIS.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE TO THE CONTRACT PRICE.

THIS CHANGE IS TOTALLY BASED UPON THE FACT THAT HE'S GIVEN US A PRICE OF $10 PER CUBIC YARD OF CONCRETE.

WE'VE GOT CONCRETE IN VARIOUS THICKNESSES OUT THERE.

FOR EACH SIDEWALKS AND FIVE-EIGHTHS AND SEVEN INCHES OR WHATEVER.

BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS CONCRETE HAS GONE UP BY $10 A CUBIC YARD, YOU CAN DO THE MATH.

SEVEN INCH THICK CONCRETE AS A $1.94 A SQUARE YARD.

FOUR INCH CONCRETE IS A $1.11 A SQUARE YARD THAT COMPENSATES FOR THE PRICE PER CUBIC YARD OF CONCRETE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE PAY FOR THE CONCRETE, NOT FOR THE LIME WITH THIS $23,000.

HE ASKED FOR $23,000.

THIS IS HOW YOU APPROACH TO $23,000.

THIS IS THIS IS A NEW COST OF CONCRETE.

>> JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST THE UNIT PRICE PER SQUARE YARD DUE TO THE THICKNESS.

>> I'M SUGGESTING WE DO THAT BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO GET AN INCREASE OF CONTRACT TO $23,000.

HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT? HE'S ALREADY POURED SOME AMOUNT OF CONCRETE THAT WE KNOW THAT IF.

THAT WAS ON THE OLD PRICE, NEW PRICE DON'T GO IN UNTIL TODAY OR AS SOON AS WHATEVER YOU ALL SIGNED.

WHATEVER THE CHANGE ORDER IS SIGNED, THEN THE PRICE CHANGES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT TOMORROW'S CONCRETE, BUT JUST MY WAY OF TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS INCREASE IN CONCRETE PRICE.

>> JUST TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WIDTH TO MAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND SO JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM.

>> YEAH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I ECHO OTHER COMMENTS AND THAT.

THIS MAY BE A ONETIME DEAL.

MAYBE IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S HARD FORESEEING THE FUTURE.

BUT MR. BOOTH, I REMEMBER HE CALLED IT.

>> HE DID.

>> WE HEARD IT.

>> BUT WE WENT WITH IT. SO WHAT HERE?

>>JUST SO YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST TO STATE THOUGH IT'S STILL 430,000 AFTER THIS UNDER THE SECOND BIDDER.

SO IT'S STILL A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS OF THE BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> WELL, IT'S TRUE.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, JOHN.

>> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PROVED TO 23,000. THAT'S ALL WE APPROVED.

>> OKAY, 23,000. THAT'S ALL YOU APPROVED.

TO COUNSEL ON BOOST POINT AS IT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE PRICE OF THE CONCRETE? THE CONCRETE ONLY NOT ANY LIME OR ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO. IT'LL GO INTO THE CONCRETE.

>> NOW. CECILY, OUR COUNCILMAN BOOTH HAD SAID SOMETHING.

[02:35:02]

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE 23,000 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE ENTIRE PROJECT OR WHAT'S LEFT TO POUR.

>> THAT WAS BASED UPON THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> WHEN WE COME TO THE SECOND HALF OF RUTH'S CHRIS STREET TOWARD N IS GOING TO GO COME BACK AND ASK FOR IT AGAIN.

AND ROBIN HOOD, WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO GET, WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO GET STARTED.

I'LL SEE HIM COMING BACK AGAIN WITH HIS HEAD TO HEAD OUT.

>> THE 23,000 IS FOR CONCRETE FROM 10 O'CLOCK TONIGHT MOVING FORWARD [NOISE].

EVERYTHING THAT WAS PLACED YESTERDAY OR LAST WEEK, THAT'S AT THE CONTRACT AMOUNT, CORRECT?

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE.

>> THEN WE MAKE ORDERS TODAY.

>> OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE.

SOUNDS FAIR TO ME. IT SOUNDS MORE THAN FAIR.

>> GREAT.

GOING TO ITEM 20 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, CIP.

[20. Discussion and possible action on the Capital Improvement Plan (CIP). ]

>> LET ME START. WE PRESENTED THIS TO ANGLETON UNIVERSITY.

WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU, THE LIST OF WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON, US DOES COME BACK WITH A PRIORITIZED LIST, AND SO HERE WE ARE.

>> WHERE'S THE PRIORITIZED LIST?

>> THAT WAS MY MISTAKE.

>> I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THIS AND I WENT AGENDA ITEM SUMMARY FORM, AND THAT'S ALL I SEE.

>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

>> WHERE DID I SEE THE SERVER?

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I WOULD SEND AN EMAIL. THEY SENT IT TO US AND, YOU KNOW.

>> CAN I GET A COPY?

>> NO.

>> I LIKED THE HENDERSON ROADWAYS, ONLY $52 MILLION FOR THOSE LISTENING AT HOME THAT KEEP ASKING ABOUT HENDERSON.

>> THAT'S OUR CURRENT DAY PRICES. NOT TOMORROW'S.

>> NOT TOMORROW'S?

>> YES. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WAS THE HENDERSON ROAD.

WE HAD TO SUBMIT SOME INFORMATION TO.

>> LET'S START AT THE TOP THOUGH, JOHN.

>> OKAY. BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE STARTED TALKING ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS WE WANTED TO DO.

AND WE DID EVERYTHING FROM DIFFERENT STUDIES.

WE DID EVERYTHING FROM A COUPLE OF ASSESSMENTS.

WE INCORPORATED ALL THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER.

THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE ON A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE DID IN THE ASSESSMENT FOR THE LIST STATIONS, I BELIEVE YOU ALL DONE WHAT? FOR THREE OR FOUR LIFT STATIONS ALREADY I'VE WENT AND ABOUT SIX, SUMMING, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE.

WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK EVERYTHING THAT I HAD, TOOK A LOOK AT IT, THEN WE PRIORITIZED EVERYTHING.

NOW, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN HERE, THERE'S SOME ITEMS IN HERE LIKE THE WASTEWATER, SANITARY SEWER REHABILITATION.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A 30-YEAR PROGRAM.

THAT'S NOT A ONETIME DEAL.

THE SAME THING WITH THE WATERLINE RENAL REPLACEMENT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A 20 30 YEAR DEAL.

BUT IT IS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO SHOW YOU THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT THE TOTAL PROCESS WHICH IS GOING TO COST THE CITY EVENTUALLY.

WE'VE ALSO MET AND PUT IT IN PRIORITY.

FOR INSTANCE, TAKING A LOOK AT PRIORITY NUMBER 1, THERE IS ACTUALLY FIVE ITEMS IN THERE THAT WE'RE SAYING AS A PRIORITY THAT ALL HAPPENS TO BE AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SO WE PACKAGED IT UP.

EVERYTHING FROM AN EFFLUENT LIFT STATION.

THAT'S EXTREMELY IN BAD, POOR CONDITION.

IT'S CONFINED SPACE CENTURY.

JUST NOT SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO SEND SOMEBODY INTO ANYMORE.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE PUMPS, A LOT OF CORROSION OF THE WALLS.

ALSO INCLUDED IN THERE IS AN MCC BUILDING TO OPERATE IT IN LIGHTING TO HELP WITH THE COST.

THEN 1B WOULD BE THE STORM WATER PUMP AND OUTFALL.

THAT'S WHERE WHEN THE RAINWATER HITS INSIDE THE PLANT BECAUSE THE PLANT IS PROTECTED BY LEVY, IS TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THE PLANT SO IT'S GOT A FORCE IT OUT WHEN HIGH WATER IS RISING ON THE OUTSIDE SO THAT'S ONE.

I'VE GOT A LIST OF THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS AND THE OBJECTIVE, WHAT IT IS FOR EACH ONE OF THEM.

SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THEM.

[02:40:03]

LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE WORKED ON.

I'VE GIVEN SEVERAL PACKAGES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND WE'VE INCLUDED THINGS AND TAKING THINGS OUT.

SHUNNING GOES OFF OF THIS.

HENDERSON WATER LINE IS ON HERE.

LET'S STATION SEVENS ON HERE.

SO THIS IS THE PRIORITY THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY APPROACH.

NOW, GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION OF HENDERSON ROAD AND TRAVIS COUNCILMAN, IS CORRECT ON THAT.

THE COST HAS GONE UP.

I WENT BACK AND DID IS LOOKED AT SOME OTHER PROJECTS AND IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL THINGS THAT COULD OCCUR OR BE REQUIRED, THINGS LIKE SOUND WALLS BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING A TWO LANE ROAD AND PUTTING YOU IN A FOUR LANE BOULEVARD, WE'RE ACQUIRING PROPERTY AND MOVING THE ROADWAY CLOSER TO THE HOUSES.

THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR SOUND WALL.

IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL OF SOMETHING, I'M INCLUDING IT IN THE COST BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR GRANTS, IF IT'S NOT IN THAT GRANT COST, THAT'S 100 PERCENT COST TO THE CITY.

SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN HERE, AND THIS IS A TOTAL PROJECT COSTS THAT I CAN THINK OF EVERYTHING FROM TRAFFIC CONTROL, MOBILIZATION, ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDIES, AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS, NOISE ANALYSIS, CORE PERMITTING, EVERYTHING THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN.

I'VE GOTTEN A COST IN HERE AND WE'VE GOT A MAN OUR BREAKDOWN ON MAJORITY OF THIS STUFF.

>> THE HENDERSON ROAD PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE HDAC SO YOU CAN GRANT THAT, SO THAT'LL HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT THE REST OF IT REALLY IS MOVING THAT NEXT STEP OF HERE'S THE PARTIES THAT WE SEE, HERE'S THE PROJECTS, HERE'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WHEN WE'RE LESS TIRED AND SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND WE'LL PUT IT UP FOR ACTION.

COURSES OF ACTION COULD BE GO TO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, GET GRANTS OR LOW INTEREST LOANS WHICH WOULD NEED TO BE PAID VIA THE WATER AND SEWER BILL.

TYPICAL WAY TO PAY FOR IT.

>> WE ALREADY HAVE THAT REFLECTED IN THAT SCHEDULE THAT PUT TOGETHER FOR US ALL THE STUFF THAT WE WANTED TO DO AND GO OUT, AND IT'S REFLECTING OUR RATES.

>> I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF YOU SELECT A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

LET'S SAY YOU PICK 1 AND 2 AND 3.

WHAT'S THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? IS THAT COVERED IN THE RATE STUDY THAT WE DID?

>> BECAUSE WE'RE USING THAT FOR CHENANGO, RIGHT?

>> WHAT'S THAT?

>> ARE YOU USING THAT MODEL FOR CHENANGO?

>> YES. WHEN WE DID THAT RATE STUDY THAT FIRST YEAR, WE HAD TO DO THAT TO COVER THE CHENANGO WATER TANK AT $2.4 MILLION.

>> I DEFINITELY LIKE THIS SPREADSHEET AND IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE SO WE CAN START THINKING ABOUT IT AS WE GO.

>> THAT'S A BIG COMPLIMENT, JOHN, SPREADSHEET.

>> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.

>> WELL, IT'S NICE TO SEE IT LAID OUT LIKE THIS WITH THE DETAILS OF EACH PROJECT.

>> IT'S LIKE STARING IN THE WINDOW OF A PLACE AND LOOKING AT ALL THEIR NEW TOYS AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY ANY OF IT.

BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE NICE.

I LIKE TO DO THAT ONE TOO.

>> YOU'RE LOOKING AT A RED RIDER BB GUN.

>> DID YOU HAPPEN TO COUNT UP HOW MANY ZEROS YOU PUT IN THIS ACTIVITY?

>> I'VE NEVER HEARD SANITARY SEWER CONSIDERED A TOY, BUT I'M THINKING LIKE THE HENDERSON ROAD AND THE, WHAT WAS THE OTHER?

>> THE SEWER REPLACEMENT?

>> WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, NORTH SIDE PLANT?

>> THAT BIG ONE.

>> THAT'S A TOY.

>> OH, YES.

>> THIS THING GOES STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WESTERN AVENUE, DWYER STREET.

THEY'RE ALL HIGH DOLLAR ITEMS. IT'S BEEN ON HOW BIG ITEM YOU ARE LOOKING AT.

BUT I LOOK AT A LOT OF REHABILITATION LIFT STATIONS.

NOT SAYING THEY'RE LOW-HANGING FRUIT, BUT THEY'RE LOWER HANGING FRUIT.

THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES IF WE HAVE SOME ARPA MONEY OR MAYBE TO LOOK AT ONE OR TWO OF THOSE TO MAYBE CHECK THEM OFF THE BOX AND MAYBE IN THE FIRST TOP 10.

[02:45:07]

WE'VE GOT THAT PENCILED IN FOR ARPA TOO.

BUT THERE'S THINGS LIKE THINK OF THE CHENANGO GROUND WATER STORAGE TANK, WE'RE ON LIKE MOVING TOWARD YEAR 2 ON GET THIS DONE.

SO WE FIGURED THE FUNDING PIECE, THE PLANNING PIECE, THE PERMANENT PEACE, AND THE BUILD PIECE LIKE THE LIFT STATION AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

IF THAT COLLAPSES TOMORROW, WE HAVE NO RECOURSE.

WE'RE DOWN THERE WITH TRUCKS PUMPING IT OR WHATEVER OR IF SOMEONE'S HURT DOWN THERE BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT'S UNSAFE, THERE IS NO QUICK FIX TO IT.

GETTING THE DOLLARS AND DOING THE PROJECT.

>> WELL, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW NEXT IS LOOKING AT WATER, THE WATER FUND AND BONDING CAPACITY FOR THAT AND BRINGING THE RATE STUDY BACK IN WHAT WE CAN DO.

I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD SEGUE INTO PUTTING THIS WITH THAT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE SEE ALL THESE PROJECTS.

NOW, A PLAN OF ACTION OF HOW TO FUND THEM, TIMING OF THEM.

>> AGAIN, YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING WHY I'M BRINGING THIS BACK NOW IN THE SCHEME OF CITY BUSINESS.

IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, WE'D HAVE SUBMIT AN APPLICATION BY MARCH.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO SELECT AN ENGINEER LIKE HDR IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION AND THEN START FIGURING OUT, LIKE YOU SAID, JOHN, THE RATE AND RATE STUDY AND ALL THAT STUFF.

BECAUSE IF YOUR NUMBER 1 PRIORITY IS ALMOST $10 MILLION, THAT'S NUMBER 1A.

YOU'RE TELLING US THAT'S THE VERY FIRST THING WE NEED TO, WHERE DO THIS $10 MILLION COME FROM? WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED YESTERDAY, RIGHT?

>> I THINK THAT'S GREAT START.

>> ONE THING TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL'S AWARE OF IS SOME OF THESE THINGS AS YOU GO THROUGH.

SAY FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE AERIATION AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE YOU ENERGY COSTS, SAVINGS IS GOING TO HELP YOU WITH THAT RATE PAYING BACK BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE COST-SAVINGS.

YOU'RE NOT BURNING AS MUCH ENERGY WHEN YOU GO WITH THE FINE BUBBLE DIFFUSER, YOU GIVE THEM MORE EFFICIENT PUMPS TO GO THROUGH THERE AND YOU GET A MORE EFFICIENT THING.

THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN THAT, AND THE ASSESSMENTS THAT WHEN YOU DO THEM THERE IS SOME BENEFITS AS CECIL TALKS A LOT ABOUT THE SANITARY SEWER REHABILITATION.

THE TIGHTER YOU MAKE YOUR SYSTEM, THE LESS TREATMENT THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR TREATMENT PLANT.

YOU DON'T TREAT RAINWATER, YOU'RE ONLY TREATING WATER THAT YOU NEED TO BE TREATING.

THERE'S [NOISE] SOME THINGS THAT CAN HELP OFFSET IT BY DOING THESE PROJECTS.

>> MORE QUESTIONS FOR TOM.

WE HAVE A PRIORITY NUMBER 3 AND NUMBER 4 BROKEN DOWN INTO MORE THAN JUST 77 MILLION AND 58 MILLION.

YOU HAD TO COPE WITH THAT SOMEHOW.

>> WHAT WE DID IS COUNCIL HAD ASKED US ONE TIME TO GO AND IDENTIFY ALL PIPE THAT WE'RE NOT PVC, THAT WE'RE IN-BETWEEN 12-8 INCH OR SMALLER THAN 12.

ALSO LOOK AT CONCRETE PIPE THAT WERE THE LARGER DIAMETER CONCRETE PIPE OR HAVING ISSUES ALREADY IS WHAT CAN REPLACE THEM.

SO WE DID THAT, CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER BASED OFF OF GIS NUMBERS.

>> BECAUSE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AREAS OF TOWN TO WORK AND YOU JUST HAVE A GLOBAL NUMBER HERE?

>> YES, SIR.

>> THIS WAS ONE TIME I HAD HAIR.

THERE WAS A MAP THAT SHOWED AREAS OF TOWN WHERE WE WERE TARGETING WHERE TO REHAB.

THAT'S PROBABLY GOT ROLLED UP AND THROWN IN THE TRASH SOMEWHERE, BUT IT WAS A WAY TO TRY TO WE WANT THIS LITTLE SUB BASIN WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON IT.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THIS BASIN AND WE'VE GOT A BIG OLD X ACROSS IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IT FINISHED AND WE COULD JUST MOVE IT ALONG AND THEN THAT APPROACH TO REHAB AND SANITARY SEWERS STOPPED.

>> WE COULD DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING AN SSES IN TOWN BASED OFF ORIGINALLY STATIONS,

[02:50:02]

LOOKING AT THEIR RUN-TIMES ON THESE REGIONALIST STATIONS AND SAY, THIS STATION DIDN'T DRY AT TIMES RUNS X AMOUNT OF HOURS.

THEN WHEN IT RAINS IT'S FOURFOLD OR TENFOLD.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO TO IDENTIFY AREAS JUST BY LOOKING OFF OR COLLECTING INFORMATION AND DURING RAIN EVENTS TO SAY, THIS IS AREA THAT WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS ON.

WE SHOULD FOCUS IN ON THESE AREAS.

I THINK A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF YOUR LARGER DIAMETER SANITARY SEWERS, LIKE GO OVER THERE AND WE REPLACED THEM STREET BACK TOWARDS THE SEWER POINT.

ANYWAYS, WE REPLACED A LOT OF 30-INCH PIPE, WE'RE SET TO REPLACE MORE 30-INCH PIPES, DITCH AND PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, HERITAGE PARK.

IT'S COLLAPSED MULTIPLE TIMES.

THERE'S A LOT OF INI GOING IN THERE.

WHEN YOU HAVE A PIPE NEXT TO A DITCH ODDS ARE YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF INI, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S COLLAPSED MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT'S SO DIRTY.

THEY CAN'T EVEN GET A JET OR A TV CAMERA THROUGH IT.

IT'S IN BAD SHAPE.

THERE'S SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO GO GET JUST BASED OFF OF STAFF AND MAINTENANCE RECORDS BECAUSE THESE COLLAPSES ARE HAPPENING OR OCCURRING IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE THEY WERE INSTALLED RELATIVELY THE SAME TIME.

>>AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR FURTHER GUIDANCE.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> I SAID THE STAFF HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB TAKING THAT WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE ASSESSMENTS AND THE STUDIES, AND REALLY AGGRESSIVELY ATTACKING, YOU ALL SHOULD BE REALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> ON 21 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION REGARDING

[21. Discussion and possible action on a resolution regarding a finance contract for the purpose of financing "Law Enforcement Software". ]

A FINANCE CONTRACT FOR THE PURPOSE OF A FINANCING A LAW ENFORCEMENT SOFTWARE.

>> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A PROJECT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

HOWEVER, WE'RE CONTACTED BY THE FINANCE COMPANY THAT SAID, IF WE WAITED UNTIL WE PASS BUDGET TO FINANCE THIS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT RATE INCREASE.

IF WE DO THIS NOW WE WOULD BE AT 5.556 PERCENT.

THERE WOULD BE NO PAYMENT UNTIL A YEAR AFTER THE CONTRACT'S SIGNED.

WOULDN'T COST US ANY MONEY, BUT WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU ALL.

LET YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO SAVE NOW OR PAY LATER.

>> IT'S STILL GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? YOU STILL HAVE TO ADD THE 77,000 BACK TO THE BUDGET SOMEWHERE?

>> YES. [NOISE]

>> THIS IS LIKE A PRE PRE-BUDGET.

>> LIKE GETTING YOUR APPROVAL [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]

>> YOU SAID THE RATE WOULD GO UP OR THE COST WOULD GO UP?

>> I SAW IT ON THE NEWS TODAY WHERE THERE'S THE FEDS ARE GOING TO HAVE AN EXTRA INTEREST RATE INCREASE, I KNOW MAYBE THE LADY IS MARRIED TO A MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR SOMETHING.

[LAUGHTER] ANYWAY WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL THAT CHOICE AND OPPORTUNITY.

>> PROBABLY HAPPENS MORE OFTEN THAN YOU NOW.

>> THIS IS JUST GOING ALONG WITH OUR ORIGINAL PLAN, RIGHT?

>> WE ACTUALLY TOOK THIS OUT OF THE BUDGET, RIGHT?

>> WHICH ONE WAS THIS ONE?

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> FOR THE SOFTWARE UPDATE FOR THEIR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

>> IT'S THE $330,000 UPGRADE THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE GOING ALONE, MAKES SURE WE'RE COVERED.

>> I SAID THAT RIGHT, DIDN'T I?

>> OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT IF YOU HAD TO STEP INTO CHRIS' ROLE OF CITY MANAGER TODAY, WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE THIS IN THE NEXT BUDGET OR WOULD YOU SAY WE CAN PROBABLY WAIT ANOTHER YEAR?

>> REALISTICALLY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN WAIT ANOTHER YEAR.

[02:55:06]

>> THIS IS THE 16-YEAR-OLD SOFTWARE THAT IT'S NOT SUPPORTED.

>> WE'RE TAKING RISK IN A HIGH PROFILE PART OF OUR CITY.

>> WELL, I'LL JUST HAVE TO ASK THEM, WHERE DOES THE 77,000 COME FROM, TANISHA?

>> CUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> SINCE THIS WAS PART OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE UP FOR DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

THIS WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR GENERAL FUND TOTALS.

I WANT TO SAY THAT BASED OFF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PROVIDED ALREADY IN YOUR BUDGET BOOKS THAT WE ORIGINALLY SAID, OKAY, WE HAVE AN EXTRA $206,000 SURPLUS.

WELL, BASED OFF THE NEW REVENUE NUMBERS THAT WE HAD PUT IN THERE, THERE WAS A MILLION-DOLLAR DROP IN REVENUE AND THEN THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF 1.7 MILLION IN EXPENSES.

>> POTENTIAL EXPENSES.

>> RIGHT, POTENTIAL EXPENSES.

TECHNICALLY THAT IT WAS A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, IT DROPPED DOWN TO 2.8 WITH THOSE REMOVING ALL OF THOSE ITEMS AND PUTTING IT ON THAT LIST.

YOU'RE STILL AT 2.7 MILLION IN THE WHOLE POTENTIALLY.

BUT CERTIFIED NUMBERS ARE COMING OUT AND SO WE'LL BE PROVIDING YOU NEW NUMBERS ON AUGUST 9TH.

BUT JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO KEEP IN MIND, THAT 330 WILL BE REMOVED IF YOU CHOOSE TO FINANCE THIS, THAT'LL PUT IT IN PLACE OF THE 70-SOMETHING THOUSAND INSTEAD.

>> I'M MORE CONFUSED AT THEM.

>> YEAH, I'M TOO.

>> IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS IS, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS.

IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY COST SAVE IF WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

I KNOW WE HAVE MADE THAT DECISION.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE HE CAN'T WAIT. THEN HE HAS TO DO IT.

>> THE COST IS GOING TO GO UP.

>> WHEN?

>> THE INTEREST RATE WILL GO UP.

>> SHE SAID PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE WEEK.

THAT'S WHY SHE WANTED TO PUT IT ON THIS [LAUGHTER] COUNCIL AGENDA.

>> COST IS IMPORTANT, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THIS IS A RISK AND THIS IS AN ISSUE AND IT CAN'T WAIT, IT HAS TO BE FUNDED.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A PRIORITY THAT HAS TO BE FUNDED, THEN WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? I THOUGHT WE WERE BALANCED IN OUR PRESENTATION FOR THE BUDGET OR YOU'RE TELLING ME WE HAVE A 2.8.

>> IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK, THE 206 I THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING AT FOR THE GENERAL FUND TOTAL, IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE STREET FUND NUMBER.

I WANT TO CLARIFY, THAT'S WHERE THAT 206 DID COME FROM.

BUT THE GENERAL FUND IS STILL AT A DEFICIT FOR THE PROPOSED THAT THE 2.7 IF IT WAS WITH THE NEW REVENUE RIGHT THAT WE HAD ALREADY CALCULATED IN.

>> WE TOOK ALL THOSE PROJECTS OUT THOUGH, RIGHT?

>> WE DID, BUT WE WERE OUT OF FIVE MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT BEFORE I TOOK THOSE ITEMS OUT.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S TAKEN ALL OF THOSE ITEMS OUT.

WE STILL WERE AT A $2.7 MILLION DEFICIT FOR GENERAL FUND ONLY.

>> CHIEF, FOR GENERAL FUND IS PROPERTY TAX?

>> CHIEF, WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION, WHERE DID THIS RANK OF YOUR PRIORITIES?

>> IT WAS ON THE TOP.

>> IT WAS ON TOP. I REMEMBER THAT.

>> IT WAS ON THE TOP AND THIS WAS IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

IT WASN'T JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SAID, [OVERLAPPING]

>> THANK YOU. BECAUSE MY NEXT QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, HOW LONG DO WE SEE THIS SYSTEM BEING IN PLACE?

>> YEAH, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 15,16 YEARS, JASON?

>> I'M GOING TO SAY PROBABLY AROUND 12, 13 YEARS, THAT WE'VE HAD IT.

>> WOULD WE EXPECT THE SYSTEM TO LAST HOW LONG?

>> SOFTWARE IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.

THE DEMO THAT I DID SEE THE SOFTWARE, I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED.

IT'S DEFINITELY MOVING US FORWARD AND BRINGING US UP TO THE CURRENT AGE OF TECHNOLOGY.

IT'S HARD TO SAY.

I WOULD EASILY SAY 10 YEARS, BUT THAT DEPENDS, DOES THE COMPANY GET SOLD? THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.

>> WHAT DOES THIS SOFTWARE DO?

>> IT'S THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, CAD, MOBILE SOFTWARE SOLUTION FOR ALL OF THE PV AND OFFICERS, RECORDS MANAGEMENT, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

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>> WELL, TO ME IF IT'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE EASY TO DIGEST.

IT'S NOT JUST A ONE-OFF.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN BUILD UPON FOR A DECADE OF PLACING.

>> IT'S JUST WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? HOW DO YOU FUND IT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

>> WELL, YOU ALREADY IN $2.8 MILLION IN THE HOLE, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IN ALL THE PRESENTATIONS I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE WHERE WE ARE AT.

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>> THEY PROMISED US THAT IF WE LOCK THIS IN TODAY OR WHENEVER, I GUESS TOMORROW, THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'D GET THE RATE.

I THINK INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP ONE PERCENT FROM EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN HEARING.

IT SURE WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION.

>> ASSUMING, IF IT ONLY WENT UP THE INTEREST RATE, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS.

>> NO. THEY'VE BEEN DOING HALF, BUT THEY DID ONE LAST TIME. I KNOW IT'S COMING.

>> ONE PER CENT ON A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THOUSAND OR $10 MILLION OR WHATEVER.

>> [OVERLAPPING] MY RECOMMENDATION BE, I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT.

I THINK FINANCING IS THE BEST WAY.

MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT TODAY.

WE PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE TWO MONTHS FROM NOW.

IF IT'S ONLY THE INTEREST RATES THEN, YOU KNOW.

>> THAT'S THE OTHER THING. YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT.

IF YOU WAIT AND LOCK IN THIS CONTRACT WITH FINANCING, AND IT'S ONE YEAR FROM SIGNING, YOU DO IT AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, IT'S NOT IN YOUR BUDGET AT ALL FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.

>> BUT YOU GET THE SOFTWARE.

BUT WHAT'S THE IMPLEMENTATION TIME AGAIN?

>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S 12 MONTHS TO GO LIVE.

>> RIGHT.

>> WHICH IS WHY THEY DELAYED THE FIRST PAYMENT UNTIL A YEAR.

>> BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU A YEAR FROM WHENEVER YOU START.

>> BUT YOU CAN SIGN THE CONTRACT ON OCTOBER 1ST.

YOU CAN GET ALL THIS GROUNDWORK DONE THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN GO LIVE FIRST FISCAL YEAR.

FIRST PAYMENT 2024.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WAY I WOULD TEND TO GO.

>> SO YOU CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE NO ACTION.

>> COUNCIL.

>> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THEIR NUMBERS.

THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

>> WHAT, THE 77,000?

>> THE EQUIVALENT COST IS $329,000.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT 5.569% INTEREST RATE, HOW THEY GET AN ANNUAL PAYMENT OR 77 TO THAT.

>> FOR THE FIRST YEAR.

>> HOW MUCH IS THAT?

>> IT INCLUDES MAINTENANCE FOR THE FIRST YEAR.

WE WOULD HAVE TO BUDGET AFTER FOR THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.

>> I DIDN'T SEE THAT PARTNERS BILL.

>> COUNCIL.

>> I WAS OFF BY A COUPLE OF PENNIES, 37,202.68 IS WHAT I HAVE.

I'M SURE BECAUSE I DIDN'T PUT THE WHOLE INTEREST RATE TO THE END.

>> I MOVE THAT WE TAKE NO ACTION ON THIS PANEL TONIGHT.

>> MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO MOVE THE ACTION.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO POSTPONE IT OR SOMETHING AND THEN THIS GOES AWAY OR YOU NEVER BRING IT BACK.

>> [OVERLAPPING] I THINK I'D KNOW.