ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
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THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. WE'VE GOT A VERY LONG AGENDA, BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH IT AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS WE CAN.[1. Discussion and possible action on a preliminary plat application and variances for 12.390 acres in the J. De J. Valderas Survey, Abstract No. 380]
OUR FIRST ITEM IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION OF VARIANCES FOR 12.39 ACRES IN THE VALDERAS ABSTRACT NUMBER 380.WAYNE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE BEGIN? JUST GIVE US AN INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT.
WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT RECORDED, THOUGH.
AND THE APPLICANT HERE WILL FILL US IN ON PARTS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
BUT BASICALLY, THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO NOT TO APPROVE FROM THIS.
I HAVE CONSULTING SERVICE, MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL PLANNING SERVICES.
SO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT YOU SEE ARE FROM FROM WALTER.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER THINGS THAT HE'S DONE AND AND MAKE THE BEST OF THE SITUATION.
SO. ANYWAY, THE APPLICANT PROBABLY WANTS TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND.
YES. MY NAME IS RICK CLARK, AND I'M HERE TO ASK FOR BASICALLY A VARIANCE AND A REPLAT THAT I'M BACK AGAIN BECAUSE APPARENTLY WE HAD FILED THE LAST APPLICATION INCORRECTLY.
AND SO THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE IS, AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE WAY IT STANDS NOW, THE CITY IS ASKING THAT WE BRING SEWER AND WATER TO THE PROPERTY EVEN BEFORE.
EVEN BEFORE WE'RE READY TO DEVELOP PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES ON THE COST IS LIKE $130,000.
I WAS HOPING THE CITY WOULD OFFER A VARIANCE SO THAT WE COULD DO ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE TIME WE DO THE DEVELOPMENT AND AS FAR AS THE CITY'S POSITION, I WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL THAT TO GET A PERMIT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S COMPROMISING THE CITY'S ABILITY TO GET ME TO DO ANYTHING.
IT JUST WOULD BE TO POSTPONE IT UNTIL WE'RE READY TO DEVELOP AND THAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE AS WE ASK FOR THE REPLAT. SO AT THIS TIME YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, AND YOU'D RATHER WAIT UNTIL THOSE PLANS DEVELOP? THAT'S CORRECT. YES, SIR.
ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CLARK? MR. NEWMAN, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THIS? THERE'S ACTUALLY A WHAT I CALL A [INAUDIBLE] SHEET THAT I THINK WAS PROVIDED MAYBE BY WALTER.
AND IT SAYS THAT THAT THIS KIND OF REQUIREMENT MAY BE DONE AT PRELIMINARY PLAT TIME, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE A FINAL PLAT WILL BE APPROVED.
SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FROM WALTER WAS TO DISAPPROVE.
BUT I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY WITHOUT ALL THIS INFORMATION, YOU CAN YOU COULD APPROVE THIS PLAT AND AND A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THEN ALL THE STUFF THAT HE HAS TO DO, HE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO DO BEFORE BEFORE HE EVEN ALONG WITH THE SUBMISSION OF THE FINAL PLAT. THAT'S JUST MY YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SUPPORT THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN.
BUT THIS IS ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THERE'S ROOM FOR WIGGLE.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR? I THINK IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL GENERAL IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL, I BELIEVE.
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MY QUESTION FOR MR. NEWMAN.I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION AND VARIANCES FOR 12.390 ACRES IN THE J.
DE J. VALDERA SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 380, [INAUDIBLE].
ALL RIGHT I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THE STAFF HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD.
NOT HEARING ANY. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
SO THAT'S FOUR IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED.
SO GOOD LUCK, MR. CLARK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[2. Discussion and possible action on a proposed land plan for 28.203 acres located north of Western Avenue and east of Heritage Oaks Drive.]
DRIVE. MR. NEWMAN.THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD DISCUSS.
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE ACCESS.
HOW MANY ENTRIES ENTRY POINTS DO YOU NEED IN A SUBDIVISION OF SO MANY LOTS.
AND THE ONE THAT'S SALIENT IN THIS CASE IS, IS 49 LOTS.
SO THERE'S NUMBER TWO ON THE IN THE PACKET.
IT SAYS THE CITY COUNCIL MAY APPROVE SUBDIVISION TO HAVE MORE THAN 30, BUT FEWER THAN 50 LOTS.
AND IT GOES ON TO GIVE SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA FOR FOR THIS.
AND THE APPARENTLY THERE WAS A MEETING.
THERE WAS DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH.
THIS HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH, I GUESS, BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF.
BUT BASICALLY PELTIER. YOU'VE ASKED TO SPEAK.
OH, YOU'RE THE DEVELOPER. FORGIVE ME.
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MIC] THANK YOU, ROBIN.[00:15:07]
CAN YOU TAKE THE MICROPHONE AND GO POINT AND SHOW US EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO THEN FROM THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF THE RIGHT AWAY FROM THERE TO THE TO THE BUILDING LINE IS 30 FEET, 31, SOME 31, APPROXIMATELY [INAUDIBLE].SO THERE'S FOUR CARS RIGHT THERE ALREADY.
IF THAT WAS STILL NOT ENOUGH, WE ARE READY TO WORK EVEN FURTHER AND HELP PAY EXTRA AREAS IN HERE TO ACCOMMODATE TWO MORE CARS AS WELL. SO THAT COULD BE SIX MORE AND WE ARE READY TO CONCEDE THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY THE LIMITATION OF THE LAND WE HAVE.
SO TWO HERE, TWO IN THE GARAGE AND TWO MORE THAT WILL MAKE THE SIX THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN TODAY, SO THAT [INAUDIBLE] AGAIN THAT DRAWING SHOWS THAT VERY CLEARLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY. SO THAT WAS A SECOND CONCERN.
ONE WAS ABOUT THE ENTRANCE, AS I MENTIONED.
THE THIRD ONE WAS REGARDING THE HERITAGE TREES.
AND WE HEARD ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND IF WE CANNOT SAVE IT, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE STRATEGY OR REMEDIAL STRATEGY.
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY COMPLY WITH THAT AS THE FIRST STEP IN DOING THAT, OBVIOUSLY, IS TO DO A SURVEY AROUND IT TO FIND OUT WHAT TREES ARE IN THE IN THE TWO HERITAGE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN THE CITY ORDINANCE.
AND WE I STAND HERE TO SAY WE WILL COMPLY EACH AND EVERY STEP OF THE HERITAGE TREES ORDINANCE.
SO THOSE WERE THE THREE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED TO US.
B THE DRIVEWAY IS WE HAVE EXPLORED ALL THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS BUT THERE ARE NOT ONES THAT WE HAVE AND WE ARE COMPLYING WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY SUGGESTED A YEAR BACK AND THIRD FOR THAT SPECIFIC HOUSE.
WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE THERE AS WELL.
AND FOR THE TREE SURVEY, I ALREADY COMMITTED THAT WE WILL COMPLY TO WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS THERE ARE AS THE SURVEY IS COMPLETE AND AS AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT IS READY TO BE SUBMITTED. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP AND GUIDANCE IN MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OR ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER BEFORE WE EXCUSE HIM FROM THE PODIUM? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, MR. PELTIER, YOU'RE SIGN UP TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
YES, SIR. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER DEVELOPERS ARE PROPOSING.
THE ENTRY LVC REQUIRES THE BOULEVARD ENTRY TO HAVE A UNBROKEN MEDIAN.
AND AS HE SAID, HE'D HAVE TO GIVE MORE SPACE.
BUT THE PERSON WHO LIVES THERE, WHEREAS GARAGE COMES INSIDE OUT AND GARAGE COMES IN OFF THAT STREET, GIVING HIM MORE SPACES TO THE SIDE DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE, AND HE BACKS HIS BOAT IN OR HIS CAMPER HIS TRAILER IN.
RIGHT NOW HE HAS ENOUGH ROOM TO STAY OFF THE STREET.
AND HE DOES PULL TRAILER AND PULLS A CAMPER.
EVERY SO OFTEN I SEE HIM PARKED THERE AND HE CAN STAY OUT OF THE STREET BY DOING THAT.
SO IF HE WHETHER HE USES HIS GARAGE OR NOT, THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO COUNT THAT AS PARKING SPACE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE STUFF IN THE GARAGE, SOME WOULD RATHER PARK IN THERE.
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PARKING SIGNS ALONG THE SIDE OF HIS HOUSE.THE OTHER ISSUE ABOUT THE HERITAGE TREE'S, HERITAGE OAKS, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE BOUGHT THE [INAUDIBLE] BRANCH, WE SAVED EVERY TREE WE COULD, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB OF THAT. I GAVE YOU A PAPER THERE THAT SHOWS THE LOTS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED, JUST A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF LOT.
SO IMPACTED BY THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG DITCHED ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AND I GAVE YOU A COPY OF A GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE.
IT SHOWS THOSE TREES AND THAT'S A PROBABLY A TEN YEAR OLD IMAGE.
THEY'RE QUITE A BIT BIGGER NOW.
AND SOME OF THOSE TREES ARE IT TAKES THREE PEOPLE TO REACH ROUND.
WE DON'T ALLOW THOSE BIG TREES TO COME DOWN.
EVERY SECTION I DEVELOPED, I GOT A TREE SURVEY BEFORE I EVEN STARTED.
HAD TO TERMINATE THE STREET CURVES AROUND THE TREES.
IF WE MAKE THE LOTS TWICE AS BIG TO SAVE THE TREES WHERE THE HOME WON'T INTERFERE WITH THEM.
THIS ONE JUST WANTED TO COME IN AND CLEAR CUT.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO IN HERITAGE OAKS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, BUT THE TREES DEFINITELY HAVE TO STAY AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW THAT WIDER STREET WILL IMPACT THE NEIGHBOR THAT LIVES THERE WHO BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY FOR HIS ACCESS.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE PART OF IT AWAY.
HE DOES. DOES THAT IMPACT HIS PROPERTY VALUE? I DON'T KNOW. BUT I ASSUME HE'S NOT HERE.
ALL RIGHT. I ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR MR. LINDSAY TO SPEAK.
2 HOURS AGO, MY WIFE, BEVERLY GOODRUM, LIVE AT THAT HOUSE THAT WE MENTIONED, TAKING 16 FOOT OF OUR DRIVEWAY AND SIDEWALK UP JUST MY 2500 HD LONG BED TRUCK ALONE IS GOING TO PARK OVER THE NEW SIDEWALK PERIOD.
IT'S THAT LONG OF A TRUCK WITHOUT ANYTHING ATTACHED TO IT.
AND IF YOU GO FURTHER TOWARDS HERITAGE OAK DRIVE THE FRONT OF THE STREET.
THE POLE THE LIGHT POST ON THE CORNER IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME 16 FOOT INTO ONE OF MY OAK TREES.
AND RIGHT DOWN ON THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE.
THE DRIVEWAY, ENCROACHMENT COMES UP.
[INAUDIBLE] I KNOW IT, BUT JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
IF IT WAS YOUR PROPERTY, WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN TO IT? THANK YOU, MR. LINDSEY.
AND THEN FINALLY, I'VE GOT A REQUEST FROM CLAIRE DANIELS TO SPEAK.
HELLO. MY NAME IS CLAIRE DANIELS.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE HOA OUT THERE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO REPRESENT THE HOMEOWNERS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS, IN GENERAL.
AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE 185 PROPERTY OWNERS, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THEM.
SO THAT'S OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT EACH SECTION WOULD BE ABOUT 34 HOMES.
AND WHEN THESE SECTIONS SIX AND SEVEN HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, I'VE GOT NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANY OF THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT THIS ONE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. SO I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING OUT THERE FOR 20 YEARS, THEY EXPECT CONSISTENCY.
SO THEY'RE EXPECTING I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO COME ALONG AFTER 20 YEARS AND CHANGE THINGS.
I MEAN, THEY WANT THINGS TO BE THE WAY ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS ARE.
AND WE'RE EXPECTING A CERTAIN TYPE OF HOME OUT HERE SAVING THE TREES.
AND I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS PID.
THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONFUSING WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL THE HOUSE AND YOU'RE SHOWING MULTIPLE HOUSES IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION AND ONE SECTION HAS APPEARED AND THE OTHER ONES DON'T. AND THE SAME THING WITH, YOU KNOW, IT JUST IT DOESN'T FIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
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IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.AND I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HERITAGE COURT, WHICH IS ANOTHER SUBDIVISION THAT'S VERY SIMILAR, IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY IF YOU PITCH YOUR HERITAGE COURT, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT LIKE HERITAGE OAKS.
THOSE HOUSES ARE A LOT CLOSER.
AND SO I GUESS JUST ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
I THINK THE HOMEOWNERS EXPECT.
WE DON'T WANT THAT ROAD WIDENED.
IF I LIVED IN THAT PROPERTY LIKE HE DID, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOSE 16 FOOT OF MY DRIVEWAY.
THE OTHER GUY IS GOING TO LOSE 16 FOOT OF HIS SIDE YARD AS WELL.
SO I THINK WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WIDENING OF THE STREET.
BUT THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD WASN'T EVEN AN ISSUE LAST TIME, AND WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE PROTESTING.
NOW, I KNOW THERE WAS MORE DENSITY AT THAT TIME, BUT THIS ONE, I THINK WHAT WE WANT AND WE COMMUNICATED THAT TO THE DEVELOPER, WE WANT 30 TO 34 HOMES, CONSISTENT CUSTOM BUILT HOMES, SAVE THE TREES.
I MEAN, WE'RE BASICALLY LOOKING FOR WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
AND I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE HAPPY IF IT'S CHANGED OR DIFFERENT.
THANK YOU, MS. DANIELS. WELL, I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING YOU NOT TO APPROVE TODAY.
SORRY. I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING.
I THINK WE GOT THAT MESSAGE RIGHT.
WELL, I MEAN, THE MAIN THING IS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TREE SURVEY.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT IMPACT IS BEFORE YOU OK IT.
AND WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE VARIANCES REQUIRED TO WIDEN THE STREET.
WE THINK I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MULTIPLE ONES.
BUT IF YOU IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT STREET, IT'S 60 FOOT WIDE.
THEY WANT TO WIDEN A 28 FOOT CONCRETE ROAD TO 48, AND THEN YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS AND FOUR FOOT CURB APRONS, SO THAT'S EIGHT FEET.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX FEET.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO BE CONSISTENT.
THE APRON AND THE SIDEWALK AREN'T GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST CRAMMING IT ALL IN THAT AREA.
AND THE IMPACT TO THE TWO HOMEOWNERS IS, TO ME, A RED LINE.
ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? TWO MORE MINUTES? YEAH.
SURE. I WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE THE ISSUES RAISED TODAY AND ALSO ANSWER THEM AS WELL.
THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED THAT THIS THE THE DRIVEWAY WAS GOING TO BE TOO SHORT.
THAT IS AGAINST THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY ARE PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE ARE GOING TO JUST USE THE RIGHT OF WAY AS AS IT WAS THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY LAND AWAY, ANY AREA AWAY FROM ANYBODY ELSE.
NUMBER ONE, WE ALREADY MENTIONED THE TREE SURVEY.
THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING.
THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE WE APPROVING TODAY? WHAT WE ARE APPROVING TODAY IS THE FACT THAT THE WHAT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED BY THE STAFF A YEAR BACK ABOUT THE SINGLE ENTRANCE AND WHAT CONFIGURATION THEY HAVE ASKED THE PRIOR DEVELOPER, THE PRIOR GUY WHO WERE IN THE CONTRACT.
WE ARE ASKING THE SAME THING TO BE AND TO BE APPLICABLE TO US, HENCE THAT 48 FOOT SINGLE ENTRANCE.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, THE 49 LOTS WITH THAT SINGLE ENTRANCE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE HERE TO RE PLAT LAYOUT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON OUR OUR DEAL.
AND SO WITHOUT THE TREE SURVEY, WE WOULD NOT DO A LOT LAYOUT OR [INAUDIBLE].
IS THAT WHAT THE. IS THAT WHAT THE LAND PLAN IS? IT'S JUST A SUGGESTED MOTION IS PROPOSED THE LOT LAYOUT.
BUT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY WORKING ON A PLANT AT A PRELIMINARY PLAT YET.
WHAT SUGGESTED MOTION ON YOUR DEAL? WELL, THE AGENDA ITEM SAYS PROPOSED LAND PLAT.
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ALL RIGHT. WAYNE, CAN YOU HELP CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE? OR ANYONE ELSE.IT'S A PROPOSED LOT LAYOUT, BASICALLY A CONCEPT PLAN.
AND IT HAS A FORCE OF YOU'VE SUBMITTED A PLAN AND SO YOU HAVE SOME VESTING RIGHTS, BASICALLY.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE WILL AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE BE PRESENTED WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAT TO CONSIDER? THAT'S WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAPPEN.
A PRELIMINARY AND OR A FINAL THING ON HOW THEY SUBMIT IT.
SMALLER LAWYERS CAN DO THE WHOLE THING AT ONCE, BUT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE A CLOSER.
I MEAN, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MAJOR REVISION IF YOU FACTOR IN THE HERITAGE TREES.
MAYBE THE PARK WILL NO LONGER BE RECTANGULAR ON EITHER END.
THAT'LL BE THERE'LL BE A DIP IN THE LOSS OF [INAUDIBLE].
SO THIS IS LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I THINK THIS WILL TAKE A MAJOR.
SO. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO US WOULD BE TO DENY.
I THINK SO. AND AND THE PRIOR STAFF MEMBERS RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT'S OKAY. NO, IT'S LIKE HE'S OH FOR THREE.
YEAH. SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS ABOUT THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD ROAD RIGHT AWAY? CURRENTLY 60 FEET.
AND SO THE GENTLEMAN'S DRIVEWAY IS OR IS NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE DRIVEWAY STARTS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE TO HIS PROPERTY.
IT CURRENTLY THE PAVEMENT ITSELF IS 24 FEET.
SO THE THE THE DRIVEWAY EXTENDS INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE TO MEET THE PAVEMENT.
SO THE DRIVEWAY IS NOW EXTENDED INTO THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
RIGHT. THE EXISTING THE DRIVEWAY OBVIOUSLY TOUCHES THE ROAD, HENCE THE DRIVEWAY IS EXTENDED INTO IT.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE PAVEMENT, THE NEW PAVEMENT WILL BE BUILT UP ON.
OKAY. SO HE'S GOING TO LOSE 16 FEET OF HIS DRIVEWAY.
BUT THAT WAS NEVER HIS TO BEGIN WITH.
ALL RIGHT. LET US LET US TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION IF WE HAVE ANY [INAUDIBLE].
I'M GOING TO SAY THAT ALL OF THIS HAS GOTTEN SO SIDEWAYS FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS THAT I'M READY JUST TO PUNT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL AND LET THEM DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH IT OR NOT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE THERE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
BUT THEY DIDN'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
SO I DON'T THINK UNLESS YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, UNLESS IT'S JUST A REAL HAZARD.
AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE.
ARE YOU MAKING THAT A MOTION? YES, SIR.
ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO DENY.
ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE ARE 3 TO 2 ON THAT ONE.
AND THAT WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ALL RIGHT, ITEM THREE DISCUSSION.
YOU ALL ARE WELCOME TO STAY. YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE.
WE'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO CLEAR THE ROOM.
WHAT WAS THE RIGHT AWAY THERE FOR? OK ITEM THREE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A VARIANCE REQUEST TO USE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON A PROPOSED TWO LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KIBER
[3. Discussion and possible action on a variance request to use septic systems on a propose 2 lot subdivision located on the south side of Kiber Road, just west of Sims Drive.]
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ROAD, JUST WEST OF SIMS DRIVE.I THINK THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY ONE.
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE AND THE DISTANCE AWAY FROM PUBLIC UTILITIES, THAT THAT THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE APPROVED FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY NEED MORE INFORMATION? ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I MOVE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCE TO SECTION 2315.C TO ALLOW USE OF SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE TWO LOTS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO. ALL RIGHT. HAVE MOTION AND THE SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION.
IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR DO SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
[4. Discussion and possible action on a request for approval of a variance to the sidewalk requirement of Chapter 23, Section 23-14.A. Sidewalks, for Lot 24A of the Habitat for Humanity of Southern Brazoria County Caldwell Road Subdivision.]
SIDEWALKS FOR A LOT 24 A OF THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY CALDWELL ROAD SUBDIVISION.SHOULD BE ANOTHER EASY ONE, I WOULD THINK.
BUT AS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALKS ON THE STREET.
YOU DON'T WANT A SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE OF A BARGE.
SO RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE TO SECTION 23-14.A FOR LOTS 24 A OF THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF THE SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY CALDWELL ROAD SUBDIVISION.
[INAUDIBLE] I HAVE MOTION SECONDING FOR THE DISCUSSION.
NOT HEARING IT. WE'LL CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
[5. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of Coleman Commercial Park]
I BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY COLEMAN PROJECT.I'M ALMOST SURPRISED HE'S NOT HERE.
I THINK. RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL.
WHAT ARE WE DOING AGAIN HERE? THIS IS A COMMERCIAL TRACK AND IT'S BEEN IT'S NEAR BETWEEN [INAUDIBLE] AND 288.
IT'S THE LITTLE COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT I DON'T KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PLAN.
I CAN GUESS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER IS HERE OR NOT.
HE'S NOT. ROBIN WITH BAKER AND LAWSON. WE BELIEVE IT'S A BUTCHER BLOCK.
MEAT MARKET TYPE OF BUILDING IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE'RE WORKING ON THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
AND WITH WITH A RETAIL ASPECT, I'M NOT FOR SURE.
AND I WAS TRYING. THE HOPE VETERINARY CLINIC IS ADJACENT TO THIS.
BUT AGAIN, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW.
WE ARE DOING THE DESIGN AND DRAINAGE FOR THE PROJECT.
SO. AND IT'S ALREADY ZONED APPROPRIATELY.
THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS, THOUGH.
SO RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS.
OKAY. ARE YOU MAKING? I GUESS I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
OPPOSED SAME SIGN MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU, ROBIN. ITEM SIX WE'RE PULLING FROM THE AGENDA, IS THAT CORRECT? KYLE OK.
[7. Discussion and possible action on a proposed concept plan for 879.9 acres located in the City’s ETJ between SH 521 and SH 288 approximately 2,500 feet north of SH 523.]
HIGHWAY 521 AND STATE HIGHWAY 208.APPROXIMATELY 2500 FEET NORTH OF STATE HIGHWAY 523.
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THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS ON THIS ONE PROJECT AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ALL OF THEM.THERE ARE ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT CONDITIONED APPROVAL CONDITION ON MEETING THOSE.
WE'RE ON NUMBER SEVEN THE 900 ACRES.
THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
ALL RIGHT. SORRY. SO THE NEXT ONE.
YEAH. TWO SECTION ONE OF WHICH DIDN'T GET ON THE AGENDA.
SO IT ONLY SECTION ONE MADE IT TO THE AGENDA.
AND THE SECOND SECOND SECTION WILL HAVE TO BE IN THE NEXT MEETING AGENDA.
SO, SO THE STAFF'S YOUR PREDECESSORS RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DENY ITEM SEVEN BECAUSE OF THE LOT SIZE RATIO.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
SECTIONS. YEAH IT'S FOR NUMBER SEVEN IS WAS SUGGESTED DENIAL THE PARK CONCEPT PLAN.
THEY'VE CHANGED UP THE LOTS SOME THERE YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR.
THE. AND I BELIEVE THIS THIS, UH, PROPERTY WAS.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING TO HOOK THE CITY WATER, CITY SEWER, NOTHING.
UH, BUT THEY HAD CHANGED UP THEIR PERCENTAGE OF LOTS DIFFERENT WIDTHS AND.
SO NUMBER SEVEN IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE PARK CONCEPT PLAN.
WITH THE 50 FOOT LOTS, I GUESS, BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES ARE 60 AND 70.
SO, YEAH. MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE PARKS DIRECTOR? BECAUSE I THINK SHE CAN CLARIFY WHAT THE CONCERN IS.
SO AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH THE DEDICATION REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY STAFF REJECTED DENIAL.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, MEGAN.
SO THIS IS JUST REJECTION BECAUSE OF THE PARKS.
ONE THING THAT'S NEEDED IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A BIG PROJECT.
IT MEANS A LOT, I THINK, TO THE CITY.
IT'S GOING TO BE AT YOUR FRONT DOOR.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A VERY HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK WHAT THE CITY NEEDS IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE DEVELOPER AND HE IS I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO EVERYBODY GETS A HAND IN THIS, BUT THERE'S IT CAN BE PARKLAND.
AND I'LL GO AHEAD. I HAVE A HANDOUT THAT EXPLAINS WHAT WHAT CAN HAPPEN, WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT WHEN YOU HAVE A WHEN YOU [INAUDIBLE].
THANK YOU. I'M SORRY FOR THE PREDATORS ATTACKING ME, AS YOU SEE THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WHEN SOMETHING OUTSIDE THE CITY MEANS IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY'S CONTROL, EXCEPT FOR SUBDIVISION PLANNING AND MAYBE PARKLAND DEDICATION.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE DEA BECAUSE IT'S LIKE BEING IN THE CITY.
HE'S FINISHED WITH HIS PART OF THE DEAL.
HE'S READY TO GO ON A NEW ADVENTURES.
AND THE CITY WANTS TO HAVE A PRODUCT THAT THEY CAN BE PROUD OF.
IT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE ORDINANCES IN THE CITY.
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SO THERE HAS TO BE NEGOTIATIONS.SO WAYNE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU AND I SPOKE OF EARLIER WAS MY CONCERN THAT THIS COMMISSION WOULD NOT WANT TO DELEGATE AWAY ITS AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT. OUT OF CONCERN FOR FOR THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST HERE AND SO AND SO.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT FOR JUST A MOMENT? SURE. EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
AND I'VE WORKED WITH OTHER OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THESE AND OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE THESE.
THERE'S NO ABDICATION OF YOUR YOUR RESPONSIBILITY OR YOUR YOUR INPUT.
START THE PROCESS AND WE PRESENT TO YOU AND IN COORDINATION WITH THE GOVERNMENT, THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE AND MAY NOT LIKE ALL OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND HE COULD COME AND SAY, WAIT, I'M OKAY WITH THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS THING.
I WANT TO BE PART OF THAT THING.
YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, THE CONSIDERATION OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.
AND SO THE ONLY THING WE CAN DEAL WITH ARE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 11, BECAUSE NUMBER 12 IS DUPLICATE.
AND SO WE STILL NEED TO WE STILL NEED TO MANAGE THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.
SO LET'S LET'S MANAGE ITEM SEVEN, I THINK, RIGHT NOW.
YES, SIR. [INAUDIBLE] COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
INTRODUCE YOURSELF. PLEASE. [INAUDIBLE] I WISH I WAS A DEVELOPER ON THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY.
JUST KIND OF I THINK THERE'S REALLY TWO THINGS.
SO WE'VE SUBMITTED A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS PART OF YOUR YOUR ZONING REGULATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE BELIEVE MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT WE DON'T MEET THE THE PARKLAND DEDICATION AND MAYBE WE CAN GET TOGETHER AFTERWARDS.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT THAT IS WITH RESPECT TO THE ISSUE OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I DO WANT TO ECHO WAYNE'S COMMENTS.
I DO THINK IN THIS SITUATION, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOU GUYS ON A REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
LET ME JUST KIND OF SET THE STAGE ON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND SO JUST TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE IN THE ETJ THE CITY HAS HAS RELATIVELY LIMITED AUTHORITY TO TO REGULATE, YOU CAN APPLY YOUR YOUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE STANDARDS.
AND SO TYPICALLY IN A DA WHERE YOU HAVE WHERE YOU'RE IN THE ETJ THE COMPROMISE THAT STRUCK IS THERE PROBABLY SOME VARIANCES AND I'LL LET YOU USE THE WORD VARIANCES.
WE PROBABLY SOME DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'D WANT TO MODIFY SLIGHTLY TO FIT THE LAND.
AND SO TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THE DEVELOPER WILL AGREE TO CERTAIN BANDWIDTHS ON THEIR LOT SIZES IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME CONCESSIONS FROM THE CITY ON ON SOME OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THEN AND THEN TO WAYNE'S POINT, UNDER CURRENT LAW, IF WE GO DEVELOP THIS AND GET RESIDENTS OUT THERE, THE CITY CAN ANNEX THAT WITHOUT THOSE RESIDENTS VOTING TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION.
THAT'S A CHANGE IN THE LAW THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS.
AND IF YOU IF YOU GO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND IN PARTICULAR WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT, YOU CAN THEN DO THE ANNEXATION IN A DATE IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE AN ELECTION WITHIN THAT THAT COMMUNITY.
RIGHT. SO THERE'S LOTS OF ADVANTAGES FOR THE CITY TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
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THERE'S ADVANTAGES FOR THE DEVELOPER TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.RIGHT. WE GET CERTAINTY ON WHAT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP TO MEET YOUR STANDARDS.
WE TAKE YOUR YOUR STANDARDS AND TWEAK THEM TO THE THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT AND THIS LOT IS WHY I'M SURPRISED ABOUT THE PARK LAND ISSUE.
AND SO, AGAIN, ALL THESE THINGS WILL GET WORKED OUT THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT WE HAVE TRIED TO COMPLY WITH WITH EVERYTHING IN YOUR DESIGN GUIDELINES AND ORDINANCES WITH THESE SUBMISSIONS.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THAT OUR CONCEPT PLAN DOESN'T DOESN'T MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS.
CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT PURSUING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GOING DOWN THE ROAD? I DON'T.
THANK YOU. SO AT THIS POINT, OUR CHOICE IS TO IS FOR YOU TO WITHDRAW THE THE ITEMS IN FAVOR OF NEGOTIATED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR WE'LL TAKE ACTION AS WE FEEL APPROPRIATE NOW KNOWING THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS LIKELY DOWN THE ROAD. I MEAN, I GUESS COULD SOMEBODY GIVE YOU SOME SOME CLARIFICATION OR GIVE THEM SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE PARKLAND PART? I GUESS I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND [INAUDIBLE].
[INAUDIBLE]. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WILL THAT NOT BE ADDRESSED THEN, RATHER THAN US DOING IT AT THIS POINT? ALL THAT. HEARTLAND DESIGN CRITERIA.
I DIDN'T NOTICE. I THINK THERE IS COMMERCIAL AREA IN THIS.
SMALL AMOUNT. DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR COMMERCIAL.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE LANDSCAPING YOU NAME IT ANYTHING LANDSCAPING ALONG THE STREETS HARDSCAPE SAW SCAPE ON THE STREETS I MEAN BASICALLY NOT GIVING CITY COUNCIL A RECOMMENDATION.
I'M SORRY. IF SOMEBODY CAN TELL US EXACTLY WHAT THE DEFICIENCY IN THE PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENT IS, WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT RIGHT NOW, AND THEN THAT OBJECTION CAN BE REMOVED. AND THEN AND THEN YOU BE ABLE TO YOU'D BE ABLE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING.
I MEAN. WELL, I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE DETAILS.
I'VE GOT ISSUES WITH THE 50 FOOT LOTS AND I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE NUMBER OF THINGS.
IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD ON THE WHOLE.
I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR 50 FOOT LOT.
50.1% OF THE LOTS PROPOSED FOR LESS THAN 50 FEET IN WIDTH.
I THINK IT WOULD BE EVERYBODY'S ADVANTAGE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT CONCEPT.
IT'S LIKE A GREAT MASTER PLAN FACILITY.
BUT THIS FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN.
LET ME LET ME JUST SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE ABOUT TIMING, IF WE COULD, AND FORGIVE ME IF MY FRUSTRATION COMES OUT. SO WE ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO THE CITY OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BACK IN FEBRUARY.
AND WE HAVE WE'VE MADE MULTIPLE SUBMISSIONS AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH YOUR FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR A MONTH AGO. AND THIS IS WHAT HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO.
[00:55:03]
RIGHT. WE'VE COMPLIED. IN MY MIND, WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH EVERY.WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES.
WE'VE COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING YOUR CODE REQUIRES IN THE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY FOR.
AND I KNOW THIS IS Y'ALL'S FIRST TIME SEEING IT.
BUT BUT BUT TIME IS MONEY FOR MY CLIENT, AND WE JUST NEED TO GET TO A RESOLUTION OF THIS QUICKLY.
SO, I MEAN, IF WE CAN COMMIT TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE IN THE NEXT MONTH, SO I'M ALL FOR IT.
BUT SO WITHOUT KNOWING THE DETAILS OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE THE PARK ISSUES, WE SIMPLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY CAN TAKE WHAT WE RECOMMEND OR THEY CAN GO THEIR OWN DIRECTION.
AND SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.
YEAH. I MEAN, AND SO YOUR TIMELINE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, YOU THINK YOUR TIMELINE WOULD NOT BE COMPROMISED AT ALL IF IF WE WERE TO EITHER DENY OR TABLE, WHEN IS THE WHEN IS THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING? 27TH. THEY OFTENTIMES DON'T DO WHAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD.
WELL, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, MR. CHAIRMAN, LOOK, WAYNE AND I WORKED TOGETHER FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
HE FIRST SUGGESTED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ME WHEN I CAME IN TODAY.
I HAVE NO DOUBT WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT BY THAT DATE.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I GUESS I WOULD ASK IS THERE ANY OF THE PLATS THAT WE NEED TO PROVE THAT AREN'T? OR DO WE CAN'T GET ANY PLATS APPROVED IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN APPROVED? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT IN ADVANCE OF THE OF THE PLAT APPROVAL.
WELL, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ROAD RIGHT AWAY PLATS ON THERE THAT ARE JUST ROADS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS US TO GET THOSE BACK AT ALL TODAY OR NOT.
AND I'M LOOKING TO OUR TEAM TO SEE IF IT MATTERS WHETHER WE GET THOSE APPROVED TODAY OR NOT.
SO. SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE ON THERE THAT ARE ROAD DEDICATION.
YOU ALL HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE STREET DEDICATION FUND? PLEASE. PLEASE. MR. CHAIRMAN. CHRIS WHITAKER, CITY MANAGER.
SO THE COUNCIL LOOKS AT THIS AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE AGREE TO, AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THERE MAY BE CHANGES TO IT OR NEGOTIATIONS WITHIN IT.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND TIME MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT UNTIL THE COUNCIL.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE 27 SEPTEMBER MEETING.
AND SO WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO US? I MEAN, I LIKE THE CONCEPT.
AGAIN, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO SAY.
SO WE HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE AN AGENDA THAT'S POSTED.
WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CITY STAFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES, I HOPE.
CHRIS, MAYBE JUST IF I COULD GET A CLARIFICATION FROM YOU.
SO FROM A SEQUENCE STANDPOINT.
CAN I CLARIFY ONE THING? AND I THINK I THINK I'M SORRY.
[01:00:01]
THE GENTLEMAN THE ATTORNEY HAD MENTIONED BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE ETJ WE DON'T REALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE LOT SIZES THAT.CORRECT. SO WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THEM.
WE'RE JUST VOTING ON THE GENERAL CONCEPT.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT STAFF HAS FOUND THAT'S AN ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH THE PARK DEDICATION FEES OR THE FEES IN LIEU OF SITUATION. SO IF WE LIKE THE CONCEPT PLAN, THEN I DON'T THE THINGS THAT VARIOUS ONES ON THIS COMMISSION OBJECT TO WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.
SO SO THIS ISSUE WITH WITH PARK DIRECTORS CONCERNS ABOUT PARKLANDS.
YES. OR FEES IN LIEU OF FEES IN LIEU OF.
IF IF WE APPROVE, DESPITE HER RECOMMENDATION, ARE WE LOSING, GIVING UP AN OPPORTUNITY? YES. TO RESOLVE THOSE THINGS.
YES. AND ARE WE WILLING TO DO THAT, I GUESS, IS THE QUESTION.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT WE HAD COMPLIED WITH THE PARK.
AND IT MAY JUST BE A SLIGHT TWEAK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN CONTINGENT UPON US COMPLYING WITH THE PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE.
I MEAN, OUR INTENT WAS NOT TO NOT COMPLY.
I GUESS OUR INTENT WAS TO COMPLY.
AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD DONE THAT. SO.
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR NOT? YEAH, WELL, THIS IS ON ITEM.
YES. WELL, BASICALLY, WE WE HAVE NO SAY IN THE SIZES.
SO THE MOTION SUGGESTED IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PARK CONCEPT PLAN.
MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE CURRENT PARK CONCEPT PLAN.
HMM. SO I GUESS WHAT WE MAKE IT CLEAR, WE.
WE ACTUALLY NEED TO BE APPROVING THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT NOT.
WE ARE WE ARE ASKED BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT PLAN.
OK BUT DENYING THE CURRENT PARK CONCEPT PLAN.
THE PARKLAND ASPECT OF THE PARKLAND PART OF IT.
YOU'RE APPROVING THE CONCEPT PLAN [INAUDIBLE] HAD TO DO WITH PARKS THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AFTER OR IF THE COUNCIL SAYS GO FORWARD WITH THE DA, THEN WE WILL ADDRESS PARKLAND AT THAT TIME.
ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME TRY A MOTION.
NOW DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SECOND THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND. I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE.
SO BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DOES ANYBODY MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO JUST TABLE THIS AND LET COUNCIL DEAL WITH IT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
[8. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of the Ashland Project Street Dedication #1]
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT'S THE STREET DEDICATION.YES, THIS IS THE ASHLAND PROJECT STREET DEDICATION, NUMBER ONE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
AND SO DID WALL WITH CONDITIONS.
YES. YEAH. I MOVE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ASHLAND STREET DEDICATION PRELIMINARY PLAT NUMBER ONE, SUBJECT TO ALL OUTSTANDING COMMENTS BEING CLEARED PRIOR TO SUBMISSION OF ANY CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THE PROPOSED DEDICATION STATEMENT IS REMOVED FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
[9. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of the Ashland Project Street Dedication #2]
AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE WALT'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.[01:05:08]
I MOVE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ASHLAND PROJECT STREET DEDICATION NUMBER TWO SUBJECT TO ALL OUTSTANDING COMMENTS BEING CLEARED PRIOR TO SUBMISSION OF ANY CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THE PROPOSED DEDICATION STATEMENT BE REMOVED FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
OPPOSED SAME SIGN THAT'S DONE.
[10. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of the Ashland Model Home Park]
RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AS WELL.ALL OUTSTANDING COMMENTS ARE CLEARED PRIOR TO SUBMISSION OF ANY CONSTRUCTION PLANS [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE PROPOSED STREET AND THE PROPOSED DEDICATION STATEMENT IS REMOVED FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE.
ITEM 11 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF ASHLAND, SECTION ONE.
[11. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of Ashland Section 1]
I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE ANY MORE OF THAT? CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL.SUBJECT TO. ALL RIGHT, I WILL DO IT AGAIN.
I MOVE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ACTION SECTION ONE, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ALL OUTSTANDING COMMENTS ARE CLEARED PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF ANY CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE PROPOSED STREET AND THE PROPOSED DEDICATION STATEMENT IS REMOVED FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR INDICATE SO BY SAYING AYE, AYE .
MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS REDUNDANT WITH ITEM NUMBER 11.
THEREFORE, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.