Sep 27, 2022 City Council

>> WHO'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST PRESENTER TO THE PODIUM?

>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> WELCOME.

>> EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS RICH MULLER.

I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE DEVELOPER.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

THEN LET TRAVIS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT.

THEN I'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE LEGAL ITEMS THAT OTIS MENTIONED, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND HOW WE MIGHT PUT TOGETHER A SERIES OF AGREEMENTS TO GIVE US CERTAINTY AND GET EVERYBODY MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WITH THAT, LET ME LET TRAVIS TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE LEGAL ASPECTS.

>> IT'S OKAY. IT'S THE SAME THING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.

THIS WAY YOU CAN SEE IT.

MY NAME IS TRAVIS JANIK I'M WITH ASHTON GRAY DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER.

THIS IS 879 ACRES, CITY OF ANGLETON, ATDA.

SOME OF YOU-ALL MIGHT RECOGNIZE THIS.

IT'S 879 ACRES PARTIALLY IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

MAINLY IN ANGLETON ETJ.

WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 2,250 LOTS, GIVE OR TAKE 250.

THAT'S GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE PRODUCT TYPES TO ALLOW FOR MARKET DEMANDS AT THE TIME.

WE HAVE COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE SPECIALTY PATH FOR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MIX, EITHER TOWNHOME, DUPLEX, ACTIVE ADULT, WHATEVER MIGHT BE USEFUL AT THE TIME.

OUR PRICE POINTS ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT 275,000-525,000 AS OF TODAY.

THE MAIN AXIS RIGHT NOW IS OFF OF 521, HIGHWAY 45 AT THE NORTH COMES DOWN OR YOU CAN COME FROM THE SOUTH AND GO 523 TO ANCHOR BACK AROUND.

IT HAS POTENTIAL ACCESS FROM 288 IF WE'RE ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, THE CITY AND TEXT THAT.

WE'RE REQUESTING AN ETJ MUD TO PROVIDE UTILITIES TO THE SITE FOR WATER AND SEWER AND DRAINAGE AND HANDLE ALL THAT.

WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD MEETING WITH YOUR STAFF LAST WEEK, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF IT IS WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE FIRE CHIEF TO MAKE AN EMERGENCY SITE WORK SOMEWHERE IN OUR PLAN,

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1.5-2 ACRES, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, WHATEVER IT NEEDS.

ALSO IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ENGINEER ABOUT A WATER PLANT SIDE SOMEWHERE ON THE NORTH TO ANTICIPATE GROWTH FOR THE CITY.

>> BE A WATER TOWER FOR A SHORT TIME.

>> WE'RE CURRENTLY IN TALKS WITH A PRETTY GOOD FIBER INTERNET COMPANY CALLED CENTRIC GAS AND FIBER, SO EVERY HOUSE AND BUILDING IN OUR DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE HIGH-SPEED FIBER TO THE HOUSE.

THIS SHOWS WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS IN RELATION TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

IT'S THE FIRST MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY OF ANGLETON OF ITS TYPE.

IT'S RIGHT AT THE FIRST EXIT FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON, RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN TOWN, GREAT ACCESS TO CITY LOCATIONS, GOOD COMMUTE, NORTH OR SOUTH.

FROM WHAT WE GOT FROM OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS ON 288, THERE'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING NORTH AND SOUTH ON 288, SO IT'S IN A PRETTY GOOD SPOT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AND WE SHALL HAVE A NEW SIGNING PLAN THAT'S COME ABOUT AND SINCE WE FEEL THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST STOP FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION ABOUT DEDICATING A SITE ON OUR PROPERTY SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO 288 FOR YOU ALL TO PUT ONE OF THESE COOL SIGNS THAT YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING AND COMING UP WITH AN IMPLEMENTING THROUGHOUT YOUR COMMUNITY.

THE PICTURE ON THE FAR RIGHT SHOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THAT FEEDER TO 288 COME TO BAT.

THINK OF IT LIKE A TOWN CENTER AND MAYBE SOME MULTIFAMILY ON THE TOP, COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM, MAINLY COMMERCIAL.

A LOT OF GOOD TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY AND WE'RE IN VERY DEEP TALKS WITH ANGLETON ISD.

WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THEM TODAY, PHIL, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING UNDER CONTRACT AND THEN PULLING THE TRIGGER ON THERE BEING AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND A JUNIOR HIGH IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY AS SEEN IN THAT PICTURE.

OF COURSE, THESE TWO ARE NOT IN THE CONCEPT PLAN BECAUSE THESE DISCUSSION REALLY GOT UNDERWAY AFTER WE SUBMITTED THE CONCEPT PLAN, SO IT'LL BE IN THE FUTURE IF IT COMES TO BAT.

LANDSCAPING AND AMENITIES, WE HAVE ABOUT $13 MILLION AMENITY BUDGET AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT TO GOOD USE HERE.

WE'LL HAVE SIX-FOOT MASONRY WALLS ALONG FM 521 AND THE MAJOR COLLECTORS, UPGRADED WOOD CAPPED STAINED FENCING WITH ROT BOARDS ALONG THE MAJOR COLLECTORS, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE YOUR TYPICAL WOOD FENCE.

IT'S GOING TO BE BIG AND IT'S GOING TO BE STAINED SO IT'LL LAST FOREVER.

HEAVY TREE PLANTING ALONG ROADS AND PONDS.

WE'RE ASKING GRADE DEVELOPMENT IS VARIANT, HEAVY TREE PLANTING.

WE LIKE THE NATURAL LOOK, AND WE LIKE TREES GROWING INTO A COMMUNITY.

ALSO, HEAVY TREE PLANTING IN THE HOME SECTIONS, PONDS, FOUNTAIN, SIDEWALKS WITH AMENITIES ALONG THE PONDS AND CHANNELS.

LARGE AMENITY CENTER, MULTIPLE POCKET PARKS, EXTENSIVE TRAIL SYSTEM WITH AMENITIES THAT WOULD CONNECT NATURE TRAIL SYSTEM.

THERE'LL BE A NATURE TRAIL SYSTEM IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER THAT WILL ALL CONNECT, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A LATER SLIDE IN THIS PRESENTATION.

FOR THE AMENITIES CONTINUED, THIS IS A BLOWUP OF OUR REC CENTER AREA AND WE'LL HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER, A JUNIOR OLYMPIC LAP POOL, A RESORT STYLE POOL, LAZY RIVER, PLAYGROUND, OPEN SPACE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY, SOLAR BASED, FIBER SPEED WI-FI ACCESS IN AMENITY AREAS.

CENTRIC GAS AND FIBER IS THE COMPANY I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH TO BRING FIBER TO THE AREA.

THEY HAVE A REALLY COOL SYSTEM.

ACTUALLY THEIR MAIN SYSTEM FOR THEIR FIBER IS SOLAR-POWERED.

THEY SET UP A HUB INTERNAL.

THEIR BACKUP, THIS IS NATURAL GAS, SO ALL THE FIBER EVERYWHERE WILL NOT NEED TO BE POWERED BY ELECTRICITY.

IT'S A PRETTY COOL CONCEPT THEY'RE DOING.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO ENTERTAIN AND PROCEED WITH HAVING SOLAR LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

I HEARD THAT'S A BIG HIT AROUND HERE AND WE LIKE IT TOO, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR IT.

PUBLIC BATHROOMS FOR THE PUBLIC AMENITIES AREAS.

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WE WILL MOST LIKELY STILL HAVE PRIVATE BATHROOMS IN THE ACTUAL AMENITY AREA ITSELF, BUT WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC BATHROOMS CONNECTED TO IT ACCESS, SO THE PEOPLE USING THE EXTENSIVE TRAIL SYSTEM [NOISE] HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO THE BATHROOM IF THEY NEED TO.

HERE'S A FEW MORE BLOWUPS OF THE SMALL POCKET PARKS.

THESE ARE ALL IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE.

THEY'RE NOT TOO AS MUCH DETAIL AS WE WOULD LIKE.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING INTO MORE DETAIL BECAUSE THE DETAILED PARTS PLAN WILL BE A PART OF THE BA, AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT.

POCKET PARKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. HEAVY TREE PLANTING.

THE TREE PLANTING YOU SEE IN ALL OF THESE EXHIBITS ARE GOING TO BE ACTUAL.

THEY'RE NOT JUST THERE TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY ON PAPER.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH ANGLETON PARKS DEPARTMENT TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL OF COURSE THAT'LL COME TO FRONT IN THE BA.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS SLIDE.

WE JUST GOT THESE SLIGHTLY MORE DETAILED AMENITY AREAS DRAWINGS RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING, SO I JUST THREW THIS PAGE IN THERE REAL QUICK SO YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT SHOWS HOW THE MAIN DRAINAGE AREA, THE AMENITY AREA, A COUPLE OF POCKET PARKS ALL TIE TOGETHER AS ONE BIG PART [NOISE].

AS YOU CAN SEE A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S ABOUT A 105 ACRES TOTAL PARK LAND, JUST IN THIS PIECE, AND ABOUT 3.5 MILES OF NATURE TRAILS.

THAT DOESN'T COUNT ALL THE TRAILS THAT ARE ALONG THE COLLECTOR AND THE INTERNAL ROADS AND THE PARKLAND THAT'S IN THE [NOISE] NORTHEAST NATURE PRESERVE AND A COUPLE OTHER POCKET PARKS.

THIS IS JUST WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING OUR MAIN PARK THAT WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THEN THE OTHER THREE SLIDES ARE SLIGHTLY MORE DETAIL.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO READ.

ONCE AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL.

WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO LOOK AT THE NEW PARK ORDINANCE THAT YOU-ALL CAME.

I THINK IT'S SECTION 23 [NOISE].

I FORGOT THE EXACT TITLE OF IT, BUT WE'RE REALLY DIGGING INTO THAT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING IT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.

THE LAST FEW SLIDES ARE REALLY JUST EXAMPLES OF MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY LOT MIXES THAT ARE SIMILAR HERE THE FIRST PAGE IS SIENNA SOUTH, AND THE OTHER PAGE IS MERIDIANA CLOSE BY.

THE POINT OF THESE SLIDES IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT YOU LOOK AT THE HOME PRICE, YOU LOOK AT THE SIZES.

THEY LOOK PRETTY SIMILAR HERE AND THERE, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A SLIGHTLY SMALLER LOT IN THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, THE VALUE IS STILL THERE, THE SMALLEST HOME IN THESE COMMUNITIES ARE IN THE LOWER 300,000, AND THAT'S OUR GOAL IN THIS, EVEN THOUGH OUR INITIAL PRICE POINT AS OF THE MARKET TODAY, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY ALL WE CAN SPEAK FOR IS ABOUT TO 275-525.

THE LAST ONE IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE [NOISE] AMENITIES AND THE MERIDIANA MASTER PLANNING COMMUNITY.

THESE WERE ACTUALLY REALLY HARD TO TAKE.

I ACTUALLY WENT THERE IN MY DRONE AND TRIED TO TAKE ALL THESE PICTURES TO COMPARE THEM ALL, AND EVEN THESE LOT SIZED ONES ARE REALLY HARD TO DO.

[NOISE] A 60 LOOKS LIKE A 55, A 55 LOOKS LIKE A 50, BUT [NOISE] THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE YOU-ALL HERE. YEAH.

>> THANK YOU. [NOISE]

>> I BELIEVE RICH WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

[NOISE]

>> DID YOU-ALL WANT TO ASK HIM [NOISE] ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PLAN BEFORE I GOT INTO THE LEGAL DOCUMENTATION OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DIVE IN AND THEN WE'LL JUST DO ALL THE QUESTIONS AT THE END?

>> WELL, I'LL JUST ADD ONE SMALL QUESTION.

HE MENTIONED THE PART ABOUT THE PARKS.

NOW, I KNOW IT WOULD BE INSIDE THIS COMMUNITY, BUT WITH THE PARKS, DID YOU SAY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO JUST ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTS OR IS IT AMENITY JUST FOR THE FOLKS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE COMPLEX AREA OF SAID DIVISION?

>> YES. THE ONLY THING THAT BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC IS THE REC CENTER.

THERE WILL BE A REC CENTER THAT WILL HAVE SOME PUBLIC ACCESS BECAUSE IT TIES INTO THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND THEN EVERYTHING INSIDE THE FENCE, SO TO SPEAK, SO THE POOL AND ALL THAT WILL BE RESTRICTED TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOA.

BUT ALL THE OTHER STUFF, THAT TRAIL SYSTEM, THERE'S A, I DON'T THINK YOU GOT A GOOD LOOK AT IT, THERE'S A 46 ACRE NATURE PRESERVE AREA THAT WILL HAVE TRAILS THROUGH IT, THAT'LL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.

ANYBODY CAN GO AND USE THAT ANYTIME.

THAT'S WHY HE MENTIONED THAT WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC RESTROOMS EITHER AT THE REC CENTER THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR WE'LL HAVE SOME RESTROOMS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

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IT'LL BE A FACILITY THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN USE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL AFTER.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? [NOISE].

>> IF WE COULD SWITCH OVER TO POWERPOINT, AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE GET TO THAT.

[NOISE] OF COURSE LORI IS GOING TO DO US A SMALL FAVOR.

>> TRAVIS TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEIR VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO WALK THROUGH THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE WOULD ASK YOU-ALL TO APPROVE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO THIS.

GET YOU WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW US TO PROCEED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU'VE HEARD IT MENTIONED A FEW TIMES BY OTIS, THE VEHICLE BY WHICH THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER AGREE TO A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SCALE AND WITH THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL IS CALLED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

AS OTIS MENTIONED IN THE ETJ, THE CITIES HAVE RELATIVELY LITTLE JURISDICTION OVER.

THEY DON'T HAVE ZONING POWERS.

YOU'VE GOT POWER OVER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'VE GOT POWER OVER PARKS AND OVER SOME SIGNAGE.

BUT BY AND LARGE, YOU CAN'T REGULATE LOT SIZE, YOU CAN'T REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS, YOU DON'T HAVE REGULATIONS ABOUT TREE PLANTING AND BEAUTIFICATION AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND SO [NOISE] WHAT WE DO IS WE ENTER INTO A LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE YOU GET CERTAINTY THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL PUT IN THE QUALITY THAT HE'S JUST SAID HE'S GOING TO DO.

BUT WE'RE ALLOWED TO RELY ON THE STANDARDS THAT YOU'VE HAVE GOT IN PLACE TODAY, AND ALLOW TO WE'VE GOT SOME WHAT I'LL CALL MINOR REQUEST FOR MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE STANDARDS.

BUT BY AND LARGE, WE ARE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF YOUR EXISTING STANDARDS, AND YOU GET A GREAT PROJECT OUT OF IT, AND THEN EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE DEAL IS FOR THE NEXT 8-10 YEARS, WHICH IS ABOUT HOW LONG THIS PROJECT WILL TAKE.

THE CITY ACTUALLY IN THE ETJ IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GETS A WHOLE LOT MORE OUT OF IT THAN A DEVELOPER GETS.

YOU GET A MIX OF PRODUCT TYPE THAT TRAVIS TALKED ABOUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL OPEN SPACE AND PARKS AND TRAILS, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 230 ACRES OF THAT, AND AS HE MENTIONED, YOU'VE GOT A $13 MILLION PARK AND AMENITY BUDGET.

THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE REC CENTER, THE TRAILS, AND THE TRAIL THAT HE SHOWED WILL ALL BE CONCRETE.

IT'LL BE LIT WITH THE SOLAR LIGHTS THAT HE DESCRIBED WILL HAVE BENCHES AND THOSE THINGS.

IT'LL BE A GREAT TRAIL FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

WE'RE AGREEING TO RESTRICT THE EXTERNAL BUILDING MATERIALS ON ALL THE HOUSES SO THAT IT'S A 100 PERCENT MASONRY ON THE FRONT, 75 PERCENT ON THE SIDE.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO DO THAT CURRENTLY, EITHER IN THE ETJ OR IN THE CITY LIMITS, WE'RE AGREEING TO DEED RESTRICT THE PROPERTY SO THAT YOU GET SOME HIGH-QUALITY FINISHES IN ALL THE HOUSES.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE CITY'S ETJ, AS OTIS MENTIONED, A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT EVEN IN YOUR ETJ.

WE'RE ASKING YOU TO BRING IT ALL INTO YOUR ETJ.

PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU GET OUT OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS YOU GET A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS YOU GUYS TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT HAVING TO HOLD AN ELECTION WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY.

CURRENT LAW MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR CITIES TO EXPAND THEIR BOUNDARY THROUGH ANNEXATION.

THIS GIVES YOU A VEHICLE TO DO THAT, THAT'S A LOT EASIER FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND IT ALSO GIVES OUR RESIDENTS CERTAINTY AS WELL.

WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE CITY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

TRAVIS TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS, BUT YOU GET A FIRE STATION SIDE OUT OF IT, YOU GET AN ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS SIDE OUT OF IT, YOU GET A SIGN OUT OF IT.

THE POTENTIAL FOR THE COMMERCIAL ON 288, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A BIT.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME EFFORT FROM THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE DEVELOPER, AND TXDOT.

I'M GLAD OUR FRIEND FROM TXDOT IS HERE.

BUT THOSE DEALS HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE.

RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE ROADS.

BUT THERE IS A WAY TO PUT IN PLACE A DEAL WHERE WE GET THE FRONTAGE ROADS BUILT,

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THAT GETS YOU THE COMMERCIAL, THAT GETS YOU SALES TAX PART OF THE SPA, AND WE'LL SEE THIS IN A LATER SLIDE, ALLOWS YOU TO COLLECT SOME SALES TAX EVEN IN YOUR ETJ, WHICH IS A HUGE BONUS FOR YOU GUYS.

THEN OF COURSE, THE POTENTIAL FOR NEW ELEMENTARY IN MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE.

WHAT WE GET IS WE GET REGULATORY CERTAINTY.

WE GET FASTER CONSENT TO THE CREATION OF OUR MUD.

WE GET YOUR COOPERATION IN TRYING TO GET THOSE 288 FRONTAGE ROADS DONE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AT THE END OF THE DAY, ARE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT [NOISE].

THIS IS A LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY, AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS FOR YOU-ALL, AD WE WANT YOU-ALL TO BE GOOD PARTNERS FOR US, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE WITH THIS SERIES OF REGIONS.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ETJ ISSUE.

ANYBODY COLORBLIND BY THE WAY? I JUST REALIZE THAT IF THEY WERE, YOU CAN'T SEE THIS.

THE PART IN BLUE IS NOT CURRENTLY IN YOUR ETJ.

THE PART IN RED IS.

AGAIN, IT'S HARD TO EXPAND YOUR ETJ WITHOUT LAND OWNER CONSENT.

WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY FILED THE PETITION ASKING YOU TO EXPAND YOUR ETJ.

SO IF YOU APPROVE ALL THIS, THEN YOUR ETJ WILL GROW BY ABOUT A 144 ACRES, SO YOU GET A BIGGER TERRITORY.

FUTURE ANNEXATION.

THIS IS YOUR C LIMITS WITH YOUR ETJ BOUNDARY ON IT.

I RAN THROUGH THIS BEFORE BUT RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY A CITY IS GOING TO ANNEX RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN ITS ETJ IS THROUGH THIS MECHANISM OTHERWISE, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SUCH A GREAT CITY THAT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA SAY, YEAH, COME TAX ME, THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

WE THINK THAT AT FULL DEVELOPMENT, THIS PROJECT WILL BE ABOUT $800 MILLION OF VALUE AND THAT'S IN 2022 DOLLARS THAT YOU ALL CAN THEN BRING INTO THE CITY EVENTUALLY, AND YOU CAN COLLECT PROPERTY TAX ON IT.

IN TERMS OF GROWING THE CITY LONG-TERM, HAVING THE ABILITY TO ANNEX THIS TRACK EVENTUALLY IS IMPORTANT TO YOUR LONG-TERM FUTURE.

I MISSED THAT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SALES TAX.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S UNIQUE TO STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS IS THAT THE CITY CAN DO WHAT'S CALLED A LIMITED-PURPOSE ANNEXATION.

YOU'RE NOT ANNEXING THE PROPERTY, WHAT I'LL CALL FOR REAL, YOU'RE ANNEXING THE PROPERTY SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING ABLE TO COLLECT SALES TAX OUT THERE.

NOW, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF COMMERCIAL, BUT IF WE CAN GET A DEAL DONE ON 288, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE POTENTIAL TO GENERATE A WHOLE LOT OF SALES TAX FOR THE CITY.

THE WAY WE USUALLY STRUCTURE THOSE DEALS IS 50 PERCENT OF THAT SALES TAX GOES TO PAY FOR SOME PORTION OF THE ROAD THAT HELPS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND THE CITY GETS TO KEEP THE OTHER 50 PERCENT.

THAT'S A POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCE THAT REALLY DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING IF WE CAN GET THIS DEAL DONE.

PARKS, PARKS, MORE PARKS.

JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, YOUR NEW PARK REQUIREMENTS WOULD REQUIRE US ON A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE TO DEDICATE ABOUT 75 ACRES WORTH OF LAND AND SPEND ABOUT $5 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S YOU-ALL'S NEW STANDARD.

IF I'VE READ IT CORRECTLY, I THINK THAT'S CLOSE HOPEFULLY, I'M NOT TOO FAR OFF ON THAT.

BY COMPARISON, WE'RE DOING 230 ACRES AND ABOUT 13 MILLION.

NOW, UNDER YOUR ORDINANCE, NOT ALL OF THAT COUNTS.

WHAT WE'VE SAID TO CITY STAFF IS OF THE 230 ACRES AND OF THE 13 MILLION, YOU TELL US WHICH 75 ACRES YOU WANT AND WHICH 5 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS YOU WANT TO EVENTUALLY BE CITY FACILITIES, AND YOU CAN HAVE ANY PIECE OF THE PARK PROJECT WE DO.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FAR EXCEED WHAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE REQUIRE AND THEN THE CITY GETS TO PICK WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BE A CITY FACILITY EVENTUALLY.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE QUESTION ABOUT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

>> THE ONLY THING THAT WON'T BE OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC IS THIS RIGHT HERE.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC [INAUDIBLE] THIS TRAIL THAT COMES ALONG HERE IS 3.5 MILES TO HERE, BUT IF THERE IS A LOOP, IT'S PROBABLY A FIVE-MILE LOOP [INAUDIBLE]

>> THAT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WHICH IS LOT SIZES.

I KNOW THAT'S A HARD TOPIC FOR YOU GUYS.

LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT IT.

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WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY AGREEMENT ON LOT SIZES IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

WHAT WE HAVE AGREED TO IS A CAP ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS.

WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE OUR LOT SIZES AROUND TO ADJUST TO THE MARKET.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS WE WILL NOT HAVE MORE THAN 2,538 LOTS IN TOTAL ON THE WHOLE 879 ACRES.

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOTS OF THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AND LOTS IN IRREGULAR SUBDIVISION AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU THIS EXAMPLE THAT I THINK ILLUSTRATES THE BEST.

THIS IS A PLOT THAT YOU ALL APPROVED IN JULY.

IT'S CALLED ANGLETON PARK PLACE SECTION 1.

THIS PLOT IS 26 LOTS, THERE 55-FOOT WIDE LOTS ON 7.4 ACRES.

THE DENSITY OF THAT PROJECT IS 3.5 LOTS PER ACRE, AND THAT INCLUDES THE DRY DETENTION POND THAT'S IN PHASE 1.

WHEN YOU ADD THE OTHER TWO SECTIONS IN, I THINK YOU'RE CLOSER TO FOUR LOTS PER ACRE.

THAT'S WHERE THE 55-FOOT PRODUCT.

THERE'S NO AMENITIES, THERE'S NO TRAILS, THERE'S NO REC CENTER, THERE'S NO PUBLIC BATHROOMS, AND NONE OF THAT.

I'M NOT KNOCKING THIS.

I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS A SUBDIVISION AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.

BY COMPARISON, OUR PROJECT, IF WE JUST DO THE 2,000 LOTS, THAT I THINK WAS IN ONE OF THE PLANS, WE'RE AT 2.27 LOTS PER ACRE, SO SIGNIFICANTLY LESS DENSE EVEN WITH THE SMALLER LOT SIZE.

EVEN IF WE GO TO THE MAXIMUM LOTS, WE'RE STILL UNDER THREE LOTS PER ACRE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE OPEN SPACE, ALL THE OTHER STUFF, THAT'S WHAT MAKES MASTERPLAN COMMUNITIES DIFFERENT FROM A TYPICAL SUBDIVISION, IS THE OVERALL DENSITY IS STILL A LOT LOWER AND THE PRICE POINTS ARE HIGHER, BECAUSE DEVELOPERS GOT TO GET $13 MILLION BACK THEY SPEND ON THE AMENITIES SOMEHOW.

JUST WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT LOT SIZES, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LOT SIZES IN JUST A SUB-DIVISION VERSUS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.

>> RICK, THIS IS A MOBILE HOME PARK SUBDIVISION RIGHT HERE.

I'M SAYING YOU'RE BUILDING UP A HOUSE ON A SLAB VERSUS A MOBILE HOME.

WE COULD PICK A DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION TO COMPARE IT.

>> BUT THE LOT SIZES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU PUT ON IT.

>> I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THIS IS A MOBILE HOME PARK, SUBDIVISION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE [OVERLAPPING] YOU PICK ONE OUT THERE, THAT'S OKAY.

>> BUT WE NEED TO TREAT IT LIKE A PARK.

>> NO REALLY I WENT TO THE MOST RECENT ONE IN YOUR HOOD.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A MOBILE HOME PARK [OVERLAPPING] AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GET OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IS YOU'RE NOT GETTING MOBILE HOME PARK.

IF YOU USE THE SAME DENSITY OF THIS SUBDIVISION, WE COULD PUT UP TO 3,500 LOTS ON THE 879 ACRES.

IF YOU USE THE SAME 3.8 [OVERLAPPING]

>> TO ME, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO DISAGREE ON THAT.

YOU THINK THAT YOUR SUBDIVISION SHOULD BE COMPARED TO A MOBILE HOME PARK, I DISAGREE [OVERLAPPING]

>> I MADE A BAD MISTAKE USING A MOBILE HOME PARK BUT THEY'RE STILL [OVERLAPPING]

>> COMPARING DENSITY THAT'S NOT THE REASON.

THAT'S WHY IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES.

YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE SPREAD OUT THAT'S CLEARLY DESIGNED TO ADDRESS A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS FAR DIFFERENT THAN A DEMOGRAPHIC YOU HOPE TO ADDRESS, AND THAT'S FINE.

I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THE SAME, COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES.

>> FAIR ENOUGH.

TONIGHT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PROVE CONCEPT PLANS, FLATS, AND ASKING YOU TO SAY YES, WE WANT TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR WE DON'T WANT TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE GET YOU TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU TONIGHT IS, "HEY, WE WANT TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

WE LIKE THE OVERALL CONCEPT PLAN.

WE'D LIKE ALL THE STUFF THAT YOU'RE AGREEING TO DO, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE US DO.

WE THINK ALL IN ALL THAT'S A GOOD BALANCED APPROACH, AND THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO PROCEED." THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO ASK YOU TO DO TONIGHT.

WE'VE GOT SOME FLATS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET APPROVED AS WELL.

BUT REALLY, YOU ALL ASKED US LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, GO WORK WITH STAFF, COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE.

WE SPENT THE BETTER PART OF THIS YEAR DOING THAT.

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WE'VE, COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THOSE NEEDS AND STRIKES A GOOD BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK FINANCIALLY.

WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND AGREE TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALONG THESE LINES.

>> ALL RIGHT, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I KNOW COUNSEL WILL HAVE TONS OF QUESTIONS OR SOME QUESTIONS.

>> I LOOKED IN YOUR PACKET.

THERE'S STILL ONE MORE PAGE YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS.

>> YES. THANKS. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT GROUP? AGAIN, UNDER CURRENT STATE LAW, NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOESN'T MEAN THERE WON'T BE DEVELOPMENT.

IT JUST MEANS THAT IT MIGHT BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED.

IN THE ETJ, WE WOULD DEVELOP THE PROJECT PURSUANT TO ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY IN THE ETJ.

WHICH ARE ALL YOUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, REGULATIONS, SIGNAGE, PARKS, WE'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THAT.

WHAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO IS COMPLY WITH BEING LOT SIZE OR LOT TOTAL RESTRICTION.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANY RESTRICTIONS ON BUILDING MATERIALS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANY AGREEMENT WE MIGHT MAKE ON HIGHER-QUALITY LANDSCAPING, THAT SORT OF THING.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE MOBILE HOME PARK ANALOGY.

BUT JUST IMAGINE JUST A VERY GRIDDED-OUT SERIES OF SUBDIVISIONS.

SOMETHING LIKE 3500 LOTS WITHOUT ALL THE NICE AMENITIES.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS WOULD DO, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD END UP WITH IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT ROOM.

YOU ALSO DON'T GET THE SPA, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO EVENTUALLY ANNEX AND GET THE SALES TAX AND THE PROPERTY TAX, AND THEN YOU DON'T GET THE FIRE STATION EST SITE AND MONUMENTS ON IT.

AGAIN, DO YOU WANT TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, OR NOT WANT TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR US TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I CERTAINLY THINK IS BETTER FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND SO I HOPE THAT'S THE DIRECTION I'LL GO.

>> I DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT JUST POP INTO MY MIND.

ON THE UTILITY SIDE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER AND SEWER.

I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE, IS THAT YOUR GUYS BRING THAT IN AND IT'D BE YOU GUYS OR YOU'RE COMING IN OR ASKING FOR CITY SERVICES TO TAKE CARE OF THAT?

>> YES. WE WOULD CREATE A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE WATER, SEWER A DRAINAGE.

EVENTUALLY, WHEN THE CITY ANNEXES THAT BECOMES PART OF THE CITY FACILITIES.

BUT WE'RE NOT TYING INTO CITY FACILITIES AT THIS TIME AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR CITY SERVICE.

BUT WE DID GO DOWN THAT PATH.

>> WE'VE TALKED WITH YOU AND JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE GIVEN HOW FAR OUT WE ARE.

>> WE'RE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE RIGHT NOW, SO YES.

THAT'S THE QUESTION I HEARD WAS THE UTILITY SERVICES.

>> BUT EVENTUALLY THOSE WILL BE PUBLISHED AS OPPOSED TO CCN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.

>> I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION? YOU SAID YOU WENT BACK AND YOU WORKED WITH CITY STAFF, WHAT CHANGED?

>> YES. I MAY HAVE TO DEFER TO TRAVIS, THESE GUYS AREN'T ON THIS.

WE DID REDUCE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS.

>> I THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION WAS SOMETHING LIKE 2200 LOTS ORIGINALLY.

>> I THINK WE'RE 2601 POINT.

>> SO WE'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LOTS AND WE'VE ADDED A BUNCH OF OPEN SPACE, AND THEN PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE'VE GOTTEN UP YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND WE'VE MADE SURE THAT WE HAVE MONETIZED IT AS YOU ALL WOULD REQUIRE.

WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO DO MORE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

YOUR FOLKS HAD ASKED US, AND THIS WILL BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, X NUMBER OF TREES PER LINEAR FOOT.

WE'VE AGREED TO PUT MORE TREES IN AND WE'VE AGREED TO MONETIZE IT, I THINK MORE THAN OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

THE OTHER CHANGE IS THE SCHOOL SITES.

YOU ASKED US AT THOSE LAST TIME TO GO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL TO SEE IF THEY NEEDED A SCHOOL SITE. THEY DID.

WHETHER THOSE CLOTHES OR NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THESE ISVS.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY FAR ALONG IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

WE DID READDRESS THE SCHOOL NEED.

>> MORE ENERGETIC VICE PRESIDENT OF LAND FOR ASHTON GRAY DEVELOPMENT.

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WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL.

THEY WANT TO START CONSTRUCTION NEXT MAY.

I TELL HIM THAT WE CAN'T GET A WATER AND SEWER UNTIL NEXT FALL.

BUT THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE SITE AND THEY WANT TO START IN THIS SPRING.

>> YES, THEY GOT THIS.

>> IT DOESN'T CLOSE. BUT IT'S A GOOD SITE FOR THEM.

WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER.

THEY HAVE ACCESS ON 521.

SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT BRAND-NEW RULE THAT CAME UP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

>> THE OTHER NEAT THING ABOUT THE PATIENT.

THIS WOULD BE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THIS IS A THREE-AND-A-HALF-ACRE SITE.

YOU'VE GOT A NATURAL CHANNEL.

THEN YOU'VE GOT ACCESS TO THAT NATURE TRAIL ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE.

ONCE YOU'VE GOT ACCESS TO THAT 46 ACRE.

SO HAVING ALL OF THAT, [INAUDIBLE].

>> OF COURSE, WE ADDED THE DRILL SITE BECAUSE THE SELLER COULD TRAGICALLY COMMITTED US TO THAT.

THEY'LL NEVER DRILL A WELL THERE WITH DIRECTIONAL DRILLING.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING A FIRE STATION, A ELEVATED WATER TANK STORAGE FACILITY.

EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE WATER THERE, YOUR CITY MANAGER REQUESTED THAT IN THE FUTURE AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DEDICATE A SITE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 288 FOR YOUR SIGNAGE.

THAT'S ALL CHANGED, AND ALSO YOUR STAFF WAS QUITE EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE 288 CONNECTION.

BY NOW, TECH STOCK WANTS A $12 MILLION FEEDER.

THEY WANTED TO START ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE NORTH AND COME ACROSS TWO DITCHES AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO ANCHOR, IT'S $12 MILLION.

WE NOTICED THE TWO OF THE SECTIONS TO THE NORTH ARE RIGHT IN AND WHY NOT ADOPT THIS, THE TEXTILE WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT HERE BECAUSE OUR TRAFFIC VOLUME WOULD BE HIGHER.

BUT IF WE COULD GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND WE'D GO TO TEXT DOT, WE COULD GET THAT WHOLE STRIP TO THE RIGHT.

WE WOULD CONVERT THAT BACK TO MULTIPLE USE AND POSSIBLY EVEN DO A TOWN CENTER.

THIS WOULD BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR A TOWN CENTER.

THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST PRESENTATION.

>> ONE OF MY THINGS WAS MORE COMMERCIAL ON THAT AREA.

I THOUGHT WE'RE OVERSATURATED WITH DEVELOPMENT AT THE MOMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND I WAS HOPING TO SEE MORE COMMERCIAL.

I KNOW YOU'VE ADDRESSED THAT AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IF YOU CAN GET THE CONNECTOR, YOU'D MAKE THAT COMMERCIAL.

WE NEGOTIATE WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT HE PROMISED FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT IT WOULD BE ZONE FOR COMMERCIAL, AND ONLY AFTER FIVE YEARS IF IT DIDN'T TURN, THEN HE WOULD TURN IT TO RESIDENTIAL.

BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANY PROMISES ON YOUR END ON THAT SIDE.

>> FOR COMMERCIAL, WE'RE WORKING ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE].

>> SO I CAN'T. I DON'T HAVE [INAUDIBLE] DOLLARS.

WE GET TEXT ABOUT TO PARTICIPATE MAYBE 380 OR 381 FROM THE CITY OR THE COUNTY.

WE CAN PARTICIPATE.

WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE $12 MILLION IN THE BUDGET.

IT'S TOO MUCH FOR OUR MODEL TO ABSORB.

WE WOULD LOVE TO CONVERT THAT TO COMMERCIAL.

THE VALUES WILL BE MUCH HIGHER.

WE CAN STILL USE THE VALUES ON A COMMERCIAL STRIP FOR WHEN WE SELL BOND APPS.

BECAUSE OF THE SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP, THEY COULD GET THE SALES TAX.

>> THEY GET THE SALES. YEAH. I THINK WE WANT TO DO AS MUCH COMMERCIAL AS WE CAN DO.

WE CAN MAKE ALL 879 ACRES COMMERCIAL, WE WOULD.

THE KEY IS THE 288 FRONTAGE AND THAT'S NOT IN YOUR EARLY PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT.

>> NO. OVER THERE AT THE WEST.

WE'RE STARTING WITH THE COUNTY ROAD OVER THAT WEST LAKE IS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING CLOCKWISE UP AROUND SCHOOL AND COMING BACK AROUND TO TIE BACK INTO THE BOULEVARD.

WE WON'T BE GETTING INTO THAT EAST END FOR QUITE A WHILE.

>> MAYBE WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS FOR THAT STUFF ALONG 288, THAT AS LONG AS YOU ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH WORKING WITH US, IT'S NOT JUST US ALONE THAT MAKES THAT HAPPEN.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> BUT MY GUESS IS WE CAN PROBABLY AGREE ON THAT EAST SIDE THAT WE WOULD NOT DEVELOP IT AS RESIDENTIAL FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, IF EVERYBODY CAN AGREE TO GO TO WORK ON TRYING TO GET THE FEEDER ROAD DEAL DONE.

I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST AND I THINK WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK WITH THE OWNERSHIP FOLKS, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT TOO.

>> OKAY. I'VE GOT TONS OF QUESTIONS.

IF ANYBODY ELSE IN COUNCIL WANTS TO JUMP IN, FEEL FREE.

BUT THE OTHER ONE IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH OUR REC CENTER.

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YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR OWN IN AND WE'RE TALKING 2,200 HOMES.

WE REALLY COULD USE THAT REVENUE AT OUR REC CENTER IF THEY WANTED A REC CENTER.

IT JUST SEEMS THAT'S COUNTER PRODUCTIVE FOR THE CITY BY YOU HAVING YOUR OWN.

I WAS CONSISTENT. I SAID THAT TO PEOPLE THAT CAME FOR STASNEY'S RANCH ONCE TOO.

>> THIS IS ONLY OPEN TO THE RESIDENTS AND EVEN THEY CAN'T GET IN UNLESS THEY DISPLAY OR THEY PAY THEIR HOA DUES.

>> WE ARE GIVING YOU THIS MULTIPLE-MILE TRAIL THAT'S GOING TO THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

DO YOU WANT US TO NOT HAVE NEW AMENITIES? IS THAT YOUR POINT?

>> I'M SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP THE DEFICIT AT OUR REC CENTER WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING IN INTO SOME ASPECTS.

BY YOU CREATING A NEWER ONE, AND I THINK IT EVEN HAS A JUNIOR OLYMPIC POOL AND SOME OTHER THINGS RIGHT THERE.

IT'S A GOOD THING FOR YOUR GROUP.

>> YOU MEAN EVENTS OR JUST CUSTOMERS?

>> NEW RESIDENTS IS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT RATHER THAN GOING TO OUR REC CENTER, THOSE RESIDENTS WILL GO TO YOUR [OVERLAPPING].

>> MEGHAN?

>> SORRY.

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY MEGHAN GO AHEAD.

>> I'M ASSUMING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> I THINK HE'S THINKING IF THAT AMENITY IS PRESENT, RATHER THAN GOING IN TOWN FOR THOSE REC AMENITIES AT OUR FACILITY SINCE THEY'RE SIMILAR, THERE WOULD BE GOING TO THEIR HOA PROPERTY, RIGHT?

>> RESIDENTS WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO THE POOL INTO THE COMPOUND.

>> SO I HAVE TO HAVE IT ON-SITE.

AS FAR AS COMPETING WITH YOURS?

>> BUT I THINK THAT THE DESIGN YOU SEE THERE IS PRELIMINARY.

WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO YOUR STAFF ON THE PARK STUFF.

THAT HERE'S THE CANVAS, IF YOU WILL, WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO PAINTING THE DETAILS, BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE OTHER STUFF WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT ON PARKS, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT OUR DESIGN THAT WE CAN TWEAK THAT IS LESS OF A COMPETITION.

I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING ON YOUR REC CENTER TO FIGURE OUT AND IF WE CAN TWEAK IT THEN WE TWEAK IT.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP.

>> THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT [NOISE] PARTNERS WORK TOGETHER ON.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WE NEVER OPEN UP THE RESTROOMS TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY ARE ONLY TO THE HOMEOWNERS.

THE INTERNAL RESTROOMS WILL BE OPEN TO THE HOMEOWNERS ALSO ONLY, [NOISE] BUT WE HAVE DECIDED TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING A SECOND SET OF RESTROOMS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ON THE OUTSIDE.

BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE PARK DIRECTOR'S REQUIREMENTS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE WAYS WE CAN TO MEET YOUR NEW REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY SET OF RESTROOM.

MAYBE WE PUT A TENNIS COURT OR SOMETHING INSTEAD.

WE DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH YOUR PARK.

BUT MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS, RATHER THAN DRIVING IN TOWN TO YOUR PARK COULD PROBABLY JUST WALK TO OUR POOLS.

>> LOOK WE'LL COMMIT TO WORK WITH YOUR PARK DIRECTOR AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO MINIMIZE WHATEVER PERCEIVED COMPETITION THERE IS.

>> SURE. IT'S JUST A POINT OF OBSERVATION TO ME.

>> JOHN, LET'S BE HONEST, THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD MOVE OUT THERE I DON'T IMAGINE WOULD PARTICIPATE MUCH IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON. IT'S GOING TO BE THEIR OWN LOT [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE MEMBERS THAT WE'RE LIVING IN PEARLAND AT ONE POINT COMING DOWN TO OUR REC CENTER.

I'M JUST SAYING WE GET PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER.

>> I LIVED IN A MASS-PARENT COMMUNITY.

THEY MAY WANT TO LIVE IN A MASS-PARENT COMMUNITY WHERE THERE IS ALL THE AMENITIES.

>> I GET IT.

>> THAT'S SO FAR NORTH AND WEST OF TOWN.

I DON'T SEE PEOPLE DRIVING INTO TOWN TO BE REALLY ACTIVELY INVOLVED, MAYBE EXCEPT FOR SCHOOL EVENTS.

>> SURE. I HAVE TWO LAST QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

>> JUST BEING HONEST.

ONE IS AROUND THE ETJ.

I'VE BEEN TOLD BEFORE THAT THE ETJ WOULD BE CHANGING BASED OFF OF OUR POPULATION GROWTH.

YOUR COMMENT THAT WE COULD NEVER EXPAND OUR ETJ, I BELIEVE IT'S STATED THAT BY POPULATION GROWTH SIZE, YOUR ETJ EXPANDS OFF THAT SIZE.

IS THAT CORRECT OR NO?

>> THAT'S WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US FOUR YEARS AGO.

>> IT WORKED BY ANNEXATION. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW IF THIS MAP THAT YOU'VE SEEN REPRESENTS WHERE YOUR ACTUAL ETJ LINE IS.

>> YES IT DOES.

>> IT DOES? EVERY SINGLE YEAR BY STATUTE AS YOU ANNEX OTHER PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT MAKES YOUR ETJ AND YOUR CITY LIMIT LINE MOVE.

>> AS IT MOVES, YOUR ETJ MOVES.

WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IS IF YOUR CITY QUADRUPLED IN SIZE, THEN YOUR ETJ MAY BE A LARGER EXPANSE.

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>> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME.

>> BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

>> BETWEEN 20,000 TO 25,000 TO 30,000 YOU DON'T SEE IT EXPANDING ANOTHER MILE OUT?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THE STATUE.

BUT I THINK WE'RE TALKING WHEN YOU HIT THE MILLION AND TWO MILLION MARK.

I DON'T KNOW. I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK.

I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED.

>> DOES SHE HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT?

>> YOU ARE RIGHT THOUGH.

>> I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> WHEN IT HITS A CERTAIN RADIUS DEPENDING ON THE POPULATION [OVERLAPPING] 25,000 MARK.

YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO GET UP TO 75,000.

>> FOR IT TO BE APPRECIABLE.

>> RIGHT ABOUT THERE. SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> THIS PARK HERE IS BASED ON THIS ONE AND THIS ONE.

YOU'VE GOT NO WAY FOR [INAUDIBLE] BY ANNEXATION.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT BY POPULATION I JUST DON'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING].

>> YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THAT ANSWER SPECIFICALLY.

THEN THE LAST ONE IS, THIS WAS IN TRAVIS' PRESENTATION, BUT I'M SURE ANY OF YOU-ALL CAN TAKE IT.

THE PICTURES YOU SHOWED US AT THE END OF MERIDIANA AND SIENNA, ALL THOSE LOT SIZES AND THEIR PURCHASE PRICES, WHERE DID YOU DERIVE THOSE NUMBERS FROM?

>> [INAUDIBLE] WE WENT ON THEIR COMMUNITY WEBSITES, SAW WHAT AVAILABLE HOMES WERE CURRENTLY IN THE MARKET THAT THEY'RE SELLING FOR DEPENDING ON LOT SIZE AND DEPENDING ON THE GOAL.

>> THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU GO TO BUY A HOUSE RIGHT NOW?

>> HOW DID YOU ESTABLISH YOUR 275,000 AT THE BEGINNING HERE?

>> THAT WAS BASED ON OUR MARKET STUDY THAT WE DID.

>> HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT MARKET STUDY?

>> SIX MONTHS AGO.

>> DO YOU THINK IT'S STILL CONSISTENT OR DO YOU THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 300,000 AND UP?

>> I THINK IT'S BETWEEN THREE AND PROBABLY 550 AT THIS POINT.

>> JOHN, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, YOUR POPULATION HAS TO INCREASE BETWEEN 25 AND 45.

ONCE YOU HIT THE 25, ONCE YOU GO ABOVE 25, THEN IT'LL BE A TWO-MILE ETJ?

>> [OVERLAPPING] CORRECT.

>> RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE MILE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THAT'S HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. THAT WOULD PUSH BACK.

>> [OVERLAPPING] THE OTHER WAY THAT YOUR CITY LIMIT CHANGED EVERY SINGLE YEAR IS BASED ON YOUR ANNEXATION.

>> OF COURSE, YES.

>> THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT YOUR CITY LIMITS AND YOUR ETJ MOVES.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT INCLUDES THE VERY LATEST ANNEXATIONS WE HAD THIS YEAR.

WE'VE HAD ANNEXATIONS IN 2022.

>> [OVERLAPPING] LOOK, IF WE'RE ALREADY IN THE ETJ, THIS IS A MOVE POINT.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN THE ETJ, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW.

>> I GUESS I WANTED TO RE-ESTABLISH MY POINT OF THE REC CENTER BECAUSE COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE CHIMED IN, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE ARE ALREADY OPERATING OUR REC-CENTER OVER DEFICIT AND YOU GO IN AND PUT YOUR REC-CENTER IN.

I'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COME FROM WEST COLUMBIA, FROM [INAUDIBLE] EVEN COME DOWN TO OUR REC-CENTER.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS SUBDIVISION WOULD GO THERE, BUT IF YOU ARE PAYING IN TO, I GUESS, IMPROVE OUR REC CENTER IN SOME ASPECT IN SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT MAYBE WE COULD HELP FOSTER OUR REC CENTER ATTENDANCE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, SO I GUESS LET ME CLARIFY THAT.

>> WE COULD ADVERTISE THE REC CENTER THROUGH OUR HOA. WE COULD DO THAT.

>> I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE CAN DO AROUND THAT.

>> [OVERLAPPING] I'VE GOT SOME THOUGHTS.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS IT.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> THIS DOES TOUCH OUR CITY LIMITS?

>> IT DOESN'T.

>> WE'D HAVE TO ANNEX LAND BETWEEN HERE AND THERE IN ORDER FOR US TO ANNEX IT>

>> AS MR. MILLER SAID, THE PROPERTY IS IN YOUR ETJ.

THE MECHANISM THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THIS WORK IS THEY WOULD HAVE A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT AHMAD, A COMPONENT OF THAT IS HAVING A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT, A SPA BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DISTRICT, AND A COMPONENT OF THAT IS THAT THE PROPERTY GETS ANNEXED.

USUALLY, IT'S 30 YEARS.

THIRTY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD,

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THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT GETS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

I'M REPHRASING WHAT YOU SAID, BUT BASICALLY, THAT'S THE WAY THE MECHANISM WORKS.

>> MY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS 25, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S WHEN ROADS AND UTILITIES REPAIRS ARE NEEDED, AND THIS WHOLE TIME, WE HAVEN'T BEEN COLLECTING TAXES FROM IT, BUT WE ANNEX IT INTO OUR CITY.

IT MAY BE A DETRIMENT TO US AND OUR CURRENT TAXPAYERS TO TAKE ON THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A VALID POINT.

TYPICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO THE TIME WHEN IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ANNEXATION, AND USUALLY, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC ANNEXATION, ONCE WE'VE HIT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT, WE THEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO ANNEX AFTER THAT.

TYPICALLY, WHAT A CITY WILL DO WHEN THEY'RE DECIDING WHETHER TO ANNEX IS THEY'LL DO AN ANNEXATION STUDY THAT WILL SAY WHAT SHAPE THE ROAD'S IN, HOW MUCH DEBT DO THEY HAVE, HOW MUCH REVENUE DOES THEIR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM PRODUCE? ALL THOSE THINGS AND YOU GET A REPORT THAT SAYS THIS EITHER MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE OR IT DOESN'T MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE.

YOUR POINT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

THAT'S A DECISION THAT CAN BE MADE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO EVER ANNEX.

IT JUST GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DO SO, [OVERLAPPING] WHAT YOU DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.

>> JUST MY CURIOSITY, DID YOU-ALL GO TO THE COUNTY AND VISIT ABOUT THIS? EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THIS?

>> THE LAST CONVERSATION I THINK WE HAD WITH THE COUNT, THEY HAVE THE ISSUE WITH LOT SIZE AND THAT THING, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT WE JUST WON'T ACCEPT YOUR ROADS FOR MAINTENANCE IF YOU HAVE SMALLER LOTS, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD FALL ON THE MUD TO DO THAT.

I'M GOING TO PUT ASIDE WHETHER THAT POSITION BY THE COUNT IS A LEGAL POSITION OR NOR?

>> [OVERLAPPING] YES, SIR.

>> BUT I THINK THEY'VE SEEN EVERYTHING ELSE.

I THINK THERE THEY JUST WOULD SAY WE WOULDN'T [OVERLAPPING] ACCEPT THE LAST CONVERSATION.

>> WHERE I WAS COMING FROM WAS I DON'T WANT TO CREATE SOME CONTROVERSIAL THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET CROSSWAYS FOR 30 YEARS WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE RIGHT HERE IN TOWN WITH US. [LAUGHTER]

>> YEAH, RIGHT. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE COUNTY AND I THINK AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE THE LAST TIME WE MET WITH THEM ON THESE TWO PLANTS, IN PARTICULAR, THAT'S THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

>> THE MAIN ROAD GOING THROUGH, IS THAT AN EXTENSION OF COUNTY ROAD 32?

>> THAT'S COUNTY ROAD 32.

>> YES, SIR. WELL, [LAUGHTER] KENNEDY WROTE 32 GOES IT'S CALLED WORLD LOOP WEST OF 521, SO IT HITS 521 IN TWO PLACES OUT THERE.

I JUST WASN'T SURE IF THE COUNTY IS HAPPY WITH THAT NAMING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE BEING CONFUSED.

YOUR GPS TELLS YOU WHERE YOU ARE IN ADDRESSING AND STUFF.

WEST COUNTY I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ADDRESS COUNTY ROAD 32.

>> NORTH AND SOUTH.

>> IT'S NORTH AND SOUTH.

THEN YOU'D HAVE, [LAUGHTER] I GUESS, EAST, WHATEVER.

>> PROBABLY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WE WOULD GIVE IT A NEW NAME TO THE EXTENT THE COUNTY WOULD LET US GIVE IT A NEW NAME.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

>> YEAH. JUST ONE [OVERLAPPING] QUESTION.

THIS IS PROBABLY MORE TOWARDS JUDITH THOUGH.

IN THE LAST PAGE OF THEIR PRESENTATION, IT SAYS A DEVELOPER WILL DEVELOP PER CITY REGULATIONS AS WRITTEN TO THE EXTENT THAT CAN BE APPLIED IN THE ETJ.

NO LOT SIZE OR DENSITY RESTRICTIONS.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF YOU'RE IN OUR ETJ, YOU HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS FROM THE CITY AND NO RESTRICTIONS FROM THE COUNTY?

>> IF YOU'RE IN A CITY'S ETJ, THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT, IN THE BIZIO'S CASE, HAS DETERMINED THAT THE CITY MAY NOT REGULATE CERTAIN THINGS AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT A CITY MAY NOT REGULATE IS LOT SIZE,.

>> [OVERLAPPING] DOES IT FALL TO THE COUNTY STANDARDS?

>> THE WAY IT NORMALLY WORKS IS WE HAVE AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY WHICH WE HAVE DATED 2019 THAT DICTATES WHO'S GOT RESPONSIBILITY WHERE.

RIGHT NOW UNDERNEATH THE 2019 INNER LOCAL, IF IT'S IN OUR ETJ, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE JOINT,

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BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, I THINK, IS THE NEW SUBDIVISION RULES THAT THEY ADOPTED LAST YEAR ON 80 FOOT LOTS, THAT APPLIES OUTSIDE OF OUR ETJ IN THE COUNTY PROPERTY.

>> THERE'S A HOLE IN THE STANDARDS BY WHICH ETJ CAN BE REGULATED.

AS IN, BASICALLY, THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS ON LOT SIZE OR DENSITY IN ANY CITY'S, ETJ, WHETHER IT BE COUNTY OR A CITY.

>> YOU'RE MIXING UP THE COUNTY AND THE ETJ ISSUE.

>> [OVERLAPPING] GO AHEAD.

>> WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT IN THE CITIES ETJ, WE HAVE LIMITED CAPABILITY ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE CAN REGULATE.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT. IT'S NOT JUST FOR THIS CASE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OTHER CASE COMING UP.

>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S STATE LAW.

THAT'S NOT OUR ORDINANCE.

THAT IS A STATE LAW.

THAT'S THE STATUS OF THE STATE LAW.

IN OUR ETJ, WE CANNOT CONTROL THE MATERIALS ON THE ON THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE CANNOT CONTROL THE LOT SIZE.

AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION?

>> NO, YOU ARE.

IT'S JUST [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S PAINFUL, I THINK TO ME IT IS.

>> IF SO, BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TECHNICALLY.

>> WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND THE PURPOSE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS IS BECAUSE YOU CAN IMAGINE WHEN DEVELOPERS COME INTO A CITY, WHERE DO I GO TO GET MY PLAT APPROVED? THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE HAS DECIDED, WELL, YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO GO HERE OR THEY HAVE TO GO THERE.

RIGHT NOW OUR INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT IS THAT THEY COME TO US FOR PLAT APPROVAL.

THE REASON WHY WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE ETJ IS BECAUSE THAT SLIVER OF LAND RIGHT NOW IS COUNTY PROPERTY.

>> IF OUR INNER LOCAL AGREEMENTS STATED THAT THE COUNTY WAS THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROVING THE PLATS, WHAT WOULD THEN HAPPEN?

>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR CURRENT RULE SAYS.

>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THE AGREEMENT WAS SWITCHED, WOULD THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH 80-FOOT LAWS?

>> FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE COUNTY ONLY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THE COUNTY HAS.

MR. MILLER WILL PROBABLY JUMP ON THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY HAS THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT BECAUSE I DON'T REPRESENT THE COUNTY.

I'M SURE MR. MILLER HAS AN OPINION ON THAT, BUT I DON'T REPRESENT THEM.

>> THIS IS NOT PARTICULARLY JUST THIS CASE.

JUST IN GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP IN THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO THEIR STANDARDS.

>> IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP IN THE CITY, YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO OUR STANDARDS.

>> IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP ON OUR ETJ, YOU HAVE TO ONLY ADHERE TO SOME OF OUR STANDARDS, BUT NOT THE STANDARDS OF LOT SIZE AND DENSITY RESTRICTIONS OR BUILDING MATERIALS.

>> WHY DO THOSE THREE THINGS CARVE-OUT OUT OF CURIOSITY, IF YOU KNOW?

>> IT IS A VERY LONG DETAILED ANSWER THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH, I WOULD GUESS, POLITICS, BUT IT'S A RECENT TEXAS SUPREME COURT CASE THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT MUNICIPALITIES CAN REGULATE THE ETJ.

I CAN SEND YOU THE CASE.

>> I'LL READ IT.

>> ANYMORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE HAVE BEFORE US POSSIBLE ACTION AND PROPOSAL OF THE CONSENT PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT'S ON ITEM NUMBER 9.

>> THIS IS Y'ALL'S BEST GUESS WHERE YOU PUT THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE TODAY, AND THE MARKET WILL DICTATE HOW YOU MOVE STUFF AROUND WHERE YOU PUT THEM IN.

>> NOW, IN THE SUMMARY, Y'ALL DO HAVE SOME MIX OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE LOT SIZES, PERCENT OF THE TOTAL LOTS.

>> IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO STICK TO WHAT'S HERE OR WHAT I SAW IN HERE?

>> THE MARKET, OF COURSE, WILL DICTATE IT.

AT THIS TIME, THE SMALLEST LOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS 50 FOOTERS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT 40S OR 45S IN THERE.

IF YOU WANT TO PLAN THAT WITH DA, YOU COULD DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH 50 FOOTERS, BUT THE SPECIALTY PODS, LIKE THE ACTIVE ADULT, THEY WANT A SMALLER LOT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A HIGHER DENSITY PRODUCT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY RENTAL.

IT'LL ALL BE FOR SALE.

THOSE WILL BE TOWN HOMES OR THERE WILL BE ACTIVE ADULT.

IN FACT MOST OF THIS SPECIALTY PODS WE'RE GOING TO GATE BECAUSE IT'LL BE A NICE LITTLE INTERCOMMUNITY RIGHT THERE.

THE HOA DUES FOR THE PEOPLE IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS WILL BE 50 PERCENT HIGHER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE GATE.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT 50S AND 60S.

THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING INITIALLY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BELOW 50.

LIKE I SAID, I COULD PUT THAT IN WRITING.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE INTEREST RATES GOING UP, THE MARKET IS PUSHING TOWARDS SMALLER LOTS BECAUSE IT'S MORE AFFORDABLE.

BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE LIMIT IN THE NUMBER OF LOTS TO MAKE STAFF HAPPY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO IN THERE AND DO 30-FOOT LOTS THAT WE PHYSICALLY CAN'T DO IT.

I HAVE A LIMIT AND I'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL TO INCREASE THAT LIMIT THE FUTURE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE DID NOT. I SAW WHERE IT'S 50S, 60S AND 70S AND THERE WAS THE MIX.

THE FIRST ONE, IT TELLS US WHATEVER THE MARKET'S DICTATING RIGHT NOW AND WE CAN DRIVE THROUGH TOWN AND WE CAN SEE WHAT'S SELLING RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S FILLING UP AND WHO'S GOT CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY ON A NEW HOME VERSUS WHAT MAY NOT HAVE.

>> I BELIEVE THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER WAS PUSHING 40S AND 45S.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR SENSITIVITY TO THE ISSUE.

WITH OUR BOTTOM IS GOING TO BE 50S AND 60S.

THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS RIGHT NOW.

>> I FIND IT A LITTLE CONDESCENDING WHENEVER PEOPLE TELL US THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS BEARING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HEARING THAT FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS THAT THE MARKET IS BEARING SMALLER LOTS, WHETHER IT'S UP OR DOWN.

I THINK PERSONALLY WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS ME THAT'S WHAT THE MARKET IS BEARING, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO SELL. EXCUSE ME IF I FIND IT CONDESCENDING.

>> I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED OF HEARING THAT AND PROBABLY ALL THE DEVELOPERS SAY THE SAME THING, BUT AFFORDABILITY IS REALLY THE ISSUE THESE DAYS BECAUSE IF THE INTEREST RATES GOING UP, THE SAME HOUSE HAS GOTTEN A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE.

IT'S MORE OF AFFORDABILITY ISSUE.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.

[INAUDIBLE], DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGES THEIR LOTS ARE 60 FEET OR GREATER?

>> I WOULDN'T THINK A WHOLE BUNCH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF 40S, 45S, AND 50S.

THE SWEET SPOT IN THE MARKET HAS ALWAYS BEEN 50S, IT STILL IS.

BUT WE COULD GET YOU THOSE PERCENTAGES.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO AND I'M JUST CURIOUS.

WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH THERE, I SEE A LOT LARGER LOTS THAN 40, 45, 50S, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE MORE GRAVITATING TOWARDS 60S AND 70S IN THERE.

I'VE ALWAYS JUST BEEN CURIOUS.

IT'S JUST BEEN A CURIOSITY THING TO ME WHY IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, IT GETS 60 AND 70 FOOT LOTS OF $500,000 HOMES IN ANGLETON IS LIKE YOU GET 45 FOOT LOTS, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE GET TO HEAR. WE HEAR IT.

MAYBE WE DO BECOME SENSITIVE TO IT.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US 50-FOOT LOTS AND I SUPPOSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EXCITED, BUT OKAY.

>> THE MARKET TO ME IS EVERYTHING IN SELLING.

EVERY HOUSE IS SELLING, NO MATTER WHAT SIZE.

THAT'S OUR EXPERIENCE HERE IN ANGLETON.

WE HAVE DEVELOPERS DOING 70, 100, THAT ALL SELLS.

EVERYTHING SELLS RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE MARKET RIGHT NOW IN THIS AREA.

>> WELL, WE NEED MULTIPLE PRODUCTS SIZES, SO THERE'S A DEMAND FOR THE 70S WE'LL DEFINITELY DELIVER A SECTION.

>> WELL, WE HAVE ONE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW, IS DOING NOTHING BUT 70S.

>> I HAVE TO KNOW WHO THOSE BUILDERS ARE.

>> I THINK IT'S HIMSELF.

THE OTHER ONE IS YOU MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT RENTAL.

NONE OF THIS IS RENTAL.

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE WRITTEN IN STONE?

>> WE CAN PUT AT THE DA IF YOU LIKE.

>> I WOULD PREFER THAT.

>> I WOULD DO MULTI-FAMILY IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DEMAND FOR MULTI-FAMILY, BUT THERE MAY BE IN THE FUTURE.

WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET AROUND THAT.

BUT THE DETACHED HOMES AND THE TILE HOMES, THEY'LL BE ALL FOR SALE.

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>> BUT THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT IN YOUR PLAN.

>> NO. THE COUNTY IS IN RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

THEY DON'T LIKE RENTAL AT ALL.

THEN THE BODY YOU CAN SEE WHY THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

>> WE ARE WELL AWARE.

>> I'M SORRY, I WAS SCROLLING THROUGH MERIDIANI HERE, MY APOLOGIES.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE HAVE NUMBER 9 AS A POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM.

>> JUST FOR POINT OF HOUSEKEEPING.

P&Z LISTENED TO THIS AND THERE WAS AN ACTION OF APPROVAL OR JUST TO APPROVE IT FOR COUNSEL OR REVIEW?

>> YES. [OVERLAPPING]

>> OTIS, MICROPHONE, JUST SO THAT PEOPLE ONLINE CAN HEAR US.

>> YES. CERTAINLY, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND OF COURSE, THOSE CONDITIONS WE DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEING AGREED UPON WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY.

THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS BY OTHERS SUCH AS OUR ENGINEER AND THOSE ARE TYPICAL PLAT NOTES AND THOSE ARE IN THE PACKAGE ALSO, SO IT WOULD BE CONTINGENT UPON THOSE CONDITIONS.

>> MAYOR, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I WANT TO WORD IT CORRECTLY.

[LAUGHTER] TO ACCEPT HIS CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US WITH THE CAVEATS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT WORKING OUT DEVELOPERS' AGREEMENTS.

OF COURSE, WE WILL GO THROUGH ALL THE ENGINEER REVIEWS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES THEY GOT TO WORKED OUT TOO.

>> THAT SOUNDS A GOOD MOTION.

>> DON'T BUTTER ME UP. [LAUGHTER]

>> MS. JUDITH, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT CRISP IF YOU WILL?

>> OTIS DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRECISE RECOMMENDATION WAS? EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THAT MIGHT HELP MR. BOOTH?

>> WE DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDED [OVERLAPPING]

>> WELL, ON THE STAFF REPORT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTED TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION ON CONDITION ON STAFF COMMENTS WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE DETAILS OF THIS PROJECT CAN BE IRONED OUT, POSSIBLY THROUGH THE EXECUTION OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS MENTIONED IN THE CONCEPT PLAN OF THE PROJECT.

>> IT'S IN THERE, I SEE IT NOW.

>> TO BUTTER YOU UP, MR. BOOTH, YOU'RE SPOT ON YOUR QUOTIENT.

>> AT PAGE 34 THERE ARE WHAT HE JUST SAID.

>> THAT'S YOUR MOTION, SIR?

>> IT'S MY MOTION, YES SIR. [LAUGHTER]

>> OKAY. MS. MICHELLE, YOU GOT THAT? OKAY.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY BOOTH, DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND FOR THE VOTE.

>> I HAVE A SECOND BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I KNOW, WE'VE HAD PLENTY. HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

>> OKAY. IT'S TWO OVER HERE AND WHAT'S OVER HERE? YOU'RE ALL AYES? FOUR, TWO.

THE MOTION DOES CARRY.

BUT THE CROWD THAT DOES IT THOUGH, MY RIGHT EAR IS PARTIALLY DEAF, SO I HAVE TO HEAR THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TABLE SOMETIMES I HAVE TO RECONFIRM.

>> IT'S PROBABLY GOOD FOR THAT.

>> WHAT'S THAT?

>> IT'S PROBABLY GOOD AS THE RIGHT EAR.

>> YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 9, THAT'LL MOVE US ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10.

>> MR. MAYOR?

>> YES SIR.

>> GO BACK.

>> I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER MOVING BACK TO ITEM 8.

[8. Discussion and possible action on Riverwood Ranch Public Improvement District Service and Assessment Plan debt rate. (Part 2 of 2)]

>> THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE MR. JOE HERE.

>> WE'RE GOING TO REWIND. PLEASE VISITORS IF YOU'D JUST BEAR WITH US.

WE'RE GOING TO ROLL BACK TO NUMBER 8, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON RIVERWOOD RANCH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN DEBT RATE.

MR. MORROW, IT'S ALL YOU, SIR. WELCOME, TONIGHT.

>>THANK YOU. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, JOE MORROW WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES.

WE SUBMITTED A LETTER TO YOU 6 WEEKS AGO, AUGUST 11TH, AND THAT LETTER WAS BROUGHT ON ABOUT.

WE WERE GETTING READY WITH RIVERWOOD RANCH TO BEGIN CONSIDERING THE ISSUANCE OF PID BONDS BECAUSE THEY'VE MET THEIR REQUIREMENT OF 25 PERCENT [NOISE] AS THE SAP WAS BEING REVIEWED,

[01:40:03]

RECALL THAT THAT WAS APPROVED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

AT THAT TIME, THE ASSESSMENTS WERE NOT BEING LEVIED YET, BUT IT CREATED THE DOCUMENTATION NECESSARY AS HOMES WERE BEING SOLD THIS PAST YEAR, THAT THE DISCLOSURES WOULD BE AVAILABLE SO THAT EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW THAT THIS HOME YOU'RE BUYING HAS AN ASSESSMENT ON IT AND YOU CAN PREPAY THE ASSESSMENT WHEN YOU'RE BUYING THE HOME AT ANYTIME THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

BUT HERE'S OUR DISCLOSURE DOCUMENT AND HERE'S WHAT YOUR ANTICIPATED ASSESSMENT WOULD BE.

WELL, OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, THINGS HAVE CHANGED, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN JANUARY AS YOU ARE PREPARING FOR YOUR OWN BONDAGE [NOISE] BUT BACK IN AUGUST, JULY, OR JUNE WHEN THAT INITIAL SAP WAS BEING PREPARED AND ADOPTED, THE INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.

WHILE CITIES WITH A HIGH CREDIT SUCH AS YOURSELF WERE SELLING WITH INTEREST RATES THAT HAD A TWO PERCENT HANDLE ON IT, PIDS AT THAT TIME WERE SELLING WITH A THREE PERCENT HANDLE ON IT, 375, 380.

THE DOCUMENT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS PRODUCED, I GUESS THE FEELING WAS THAT FOUR PERCENT WAS AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHERE IT MIGHT SELL AT.

SINCE THEN THINGS CHANGED, AND THEY'RE CHANGING RAPIDLY.

WHEN WE PREPARED THIS LETTER ON AUGUST 11TH, THE MARKET FOR A PID BOND WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT A 583.

LAST WEEK, WE SAW ONE SELL AT A 611.

TODAY RATES HAVE GONE UP EVEN MORE, AND CONTINUE TO BACKUP RAPIDLY.

IT'S VERY SOFT MARKET AS YOU KNOW, THE EQUITY MARKETS HAVE SOLD OFF SIX DAYS IN A ROW.

WE'D PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 625 OR HIGHER.

OUR ANALYSIS HERE DONE SIX WEEKS AGO WAS AT A 583, NOW WE'RE PROBABLY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE NORTH OF SIX IN TODAY'S MARKET.

THIS REALLY IS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF WHAT HAS THAT INCREASE IN INTEREST RATE DONE TO THE ASSESSMENTS.

THE ASSESSMENT, IF WE HOLD THEM STEADY AT THE DISCLOSURE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE HOME BUYERS, THAT MEANS THE REIMBURSEMENT TO THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO SHRINK.

BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENT IS GOING TO STAY WHERE IT IS, AND WITH THE HIGHER INTEREST RATE, THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A LOWER AMOUNT THAT CAN GO TO THE DEVELOPER.

IF YOU ALLOW THE RATE TO INCREASE, THEN THE ASSESSMENT THAT THOSE INITIAL HOMEOWNERS BOUGHT IS GOING TO BE HIGHER.

NOW THE DISCLOSURE DO BE IN ALL FAIRNESS, THE DISCLOSURE DID SAY THAT IT'S AN ESTIMATED RATE AND IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MUCH CHANGE THERE MAY BE TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE BRINGING THIS TO YOU, IS THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN WHAT THE ASSESSMENT MAY BE.

EITHER THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE A LARGER ASSESSMENT OR THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO GET LESS OF A REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNT.

WE WERE PROJECTING IF YOU HAVE THE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S A CHART ON THE SECOND PART OF THAT.

WE LAID OUT THREE SCENARIOS, JUST FOR A COMPARISON.

THINK OF IT IN THESE TERMS, RATES ARE UP ABOUT 40-50 BASIS POINTS FROM WHEN WE DID THIS SIX WEEKS AGO, PID BONDS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN A RATED OBLIGATION.

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT DIFFERENCE?

YOU'RE A HIGHLY RATED CREDIT AA.

WHEN YOU GET INTO CREDITS THAT ARE NON-RATED, YOU HAVE A BIG GAP.

IT'S A HUGE MARKET, A LOT OF DISPARITY.

A MUD MAY HAVE AN UNRATED BOND, AND THEY ARE INITIALLY AS THEY'RE BUILDING VALUE, BUT THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T, IT'S AN UNLIMITED TAX.

IT'S A VERY STRONG PLEDGE, IT'S A FORECLOSABLE LEAN.

PIDS, YOU CAN CREATE A FORECLOSABLE LEAN ON THEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO,

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AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THESE DISCLOSURES BECOME IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE DONE INITIALLY SO THAT IT TIES TO THE LAND.

BUT A PID BOND SUCH AS THIS IS NOT QUITE LIKE A MUD BOND WHICH IS A REIMBURSEMENT VEHICLE.

THIS IS SOMEWHAT A REIMBURSEMENT VEHICLE, BUT WE RESTRICT THE PARTICIPANTS TO BE QUALIFIED INVESTORS.

WE CALL IT BIG BOYS.

IT'S NOT A MOM-AND-POP BOND.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT ONLY INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE QUALIFIED TO DO THE RESEARCH WILL BUY.

YOU HAVE A SMALLER POOL OF BUYERS.

YOUR HIGH YIELD MUNICIPAL BOND FUNDS ARE BIG BUYERS.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT MARKET.

>> THEY'RE MORE AT PLAY AT THE MARKET FORCES.

>> I'M SORRY, THE QUESTION WAS?

>> THE PID BOND BUYERS, THOSE BONDS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RISKIER OR HAVE A [OVERLAPPING]?

>> YES. WHICH IS WHY THEY CARRY A HIGHER INTEREST RATE. THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY CARRY A HIGHER INTEREST RATE, AND THEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS LATER WHEN THEY'RE BUILT OUT, AND YOU HAVE MANY ASSESSMENT PAYERS THEN THAT RISK GOES DOWN, BUT THAT RATE IS THERE.

WHAT THE QUESTION BASICALLY BECOMES IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT INTEREST RATES ARE UP NOW PROBABLY TWO PERCENT ABOVE WHAT THE ORIGINAL SAP WAS DONE AT.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE LITTLE CHART THAT WE HAVE THERE, THE FIRST OPTION WE RAN WAS FULL REIMBURSEMENT, WHICH WOULD BE THE PAR SIZE OF 5,180,000.

YOU CAN SEE THAT GETS ABOUT 95.5 PERCENT OF THE REIMBURSEMENT.

THE ORIGINAL SAP WAS AT 96.

SO THAT BOUT GETS THEM BACK.

THE SECOND OPTION, AND JUST REAL QUICKLY, THERE'S TWO ITEMS DRIVING THESE ASSESSMENTS OR IMPACTING THE ASSESSMENT.

BECAUSE THE DEBT, WHEN IT WAS RUNNING, THE ORIGINAL SAP WAS ASCENDING OR THE ASSESSMENTS WERE ASCENDING.

[NOISE] WE LIKE TO RUN THE ASSESSMENTS SO THAT THEY'RE LEVEL.

THAT MEANS ACTUALLY YOUR DEBT SERVICE IS DESCENDING BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENT INCLUDES AN ADMINISTRATION PORTION.

WHEN WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET A LEVEL PAYMENT OVER THE ENTIRE 30-YEAR PERIOD.

BETWEEN MAKING THE ADJUSTMENTS ON THOSE TWO THINGS, THOSE ARE WHAT'S DRIVING THE INCREASE IN ASSESSMENT.

JUST AS A MATTER OF NOTE, IT WAS ABOUT 7 1/2 CENTS DIFFERENCE IN TAX RATE EQUIVALENT FOR THE ASSESSMENT FROM THE FIRST YEAR TO THE END.

TO KEEP APPLES TO APPLES, WE USED WHAT THEY CAME IN WITH ON THE ORIGINAL PROJECTED HOME VALUES, WHICH WAS AROUND 241,000 ON THE SMALLER SIZE LOTS AND MOVING UP OFF OF THAT.

OPTION 2, WHICH WE TOOK IN THE AVERAGE OF WHAT THE AVERAGE RATE WOULD BE.

IF WE STARTED AT, SAY, THE TAX RATE EQUIVALENT WAS 72 AND IT WENT TO 79 WHEN WE'RE RIGHT AROUND IN THE MIDDLE THERE, YOU'D GET ABOUT 80 PERCENT REIMBURSEMENT.

IF WE DID JUST GO TO THE HIGHEST RATE, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 73 PERCENT BACK TO THE DEVELOPER.

YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE DEVELOPER GETS BACK BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ASSESSMENT.

FOR THE HOMEOWNER, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE ON THE 45, 50, AND 60 FOOT PLOTS IN AN ASSESSMENT.

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KEEPING IT AS CLOSE AS WE COULD TO THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT WOULD BE ABOUT $1,771 UP TO 2,042 ON THE FULL REIMBURSEMENT.

THAT NUMBER 3 WOULD BE ABOUT WHAT THE CURRENT IS.

REALLY WHAT WE NEED FROM COUNCIL IS DIRECTION IN HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THIS INCREASE.

>> THE HIGHER HOUSING COSTS THOUGH, THEY DON'T COME INTO PLAY IN THIS AT ALL?

>> IT WILL WIND UP BEING A LOWER TAX RATE EQUIVALENT.

>> SOME OF THESE HOUSES HAVE ALREADY PAID THEIR FIRST ANNUAL INSTALLMENT, CORRECT?

>> NO. THE FIRST ANNUAL INSTALLMENT WILL BE COMING OUT IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, VERY SOON.

>> NO?

I DON'T THINK THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN, NEW ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE WE WERE EXPECTING WE'D BE COMING WITH A BOND ISSUE AND WOULD LOCK IT IN WITH THE FINAL RATE.

>> I GUESS, ONE LAST QUESTION.

HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO PHASE 1? THE FIRST GROUP OF PEOPLE. THE FIRST PHASE.

OR IS THIS PID ENCOMPASSING ALL, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE?

>> THIS IS PHASE 1.

>> JASON, I THINK [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK MAYBE?

NOT FOR THIS ITEM. MIKE'S HERE.

>> DO YOU WANT ME TO GO?

>> GO AHEAD, SIR. THE DEVELOPER.

>> I'M SORRY, MICHAEL. IT'S RIGHT HERE. MY BAD.

>> I WENT IN RIGHT BEFORE IT'S DOWN.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL. NO SURPRISE.

I WOULD LIKE REIMBURSEMENTS TO STAY THE SAME.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD WITHHOLD TO OUR ORIGINAL AGREEMENTS.

OUR REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WE DID IN 2020 IS THAT WE'D BE REIMBURSED FOR WATER, SEWER, DRAINAGE, ROADS, AND PARKS.

THEN IN OUR SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN, WE ESTABLISHED WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE.

AFTER WE GOT THESE AGREEMENTS DONE, I WENT AND BUILT IT.

I WENT AND DEVELOPED. I WENT AND FINANCED.

THEN I WENT IN PRICE AND I SOLD ALL MY LOTS.

AS A DEVELOPER, HOW CAN I PLAN A PROJECT IF I GO AND SPEND ALL THIS MONEY AND PRICE MY LOTS, AND THEN AFTER IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE AND I SOLD MY LINES, THE CITY CAN COME IN AND THEN CUT MY REIMBURSEMENT BY 20 PERCENT? BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY PRICED THEM, I SOLD THEM BASED OF WHAT WE AGREED TO IN OUR AGREEMENTS, WHAT WE SAID IS THAT REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNT.

DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, I FEEL LIKE, AS A DEVELOPER, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON THESE AGREEMENTS.

WE PRICE AND MARKET AND DO ALL OF OUR UNDERWRITING FOR THE DEAL.

ALSO IN THIS SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN, JOE MENTIONED IT, BUT OUR DISCLOSURES DO STATE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOTAL ASSESSMENT THE HOMEOWNER OWES, WHICH IS WE LEVY ASSESSMENT ON THE LOT, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S $25,000 ON THE LOT.

WELL, THE CHANGE IN INTEREST RATE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT ASSESSMENT.

THE HOMEOWNER STILL OWES $25,000.

YOU THINK ABOUT IT LIKE A MORTGAGE AS A PRINCIPAL AND THEN THERE'S AN INTERESTS.

WHAT THE INTEREST DOES CHANGE IS THEIR ANNUAL INSTALLMENT BECAUSE THEIR INTEREST RATE WENT UP.

BUT IN OUR DISCLOSURE, WE DID STATE THAT THE SCHEDULED ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE BASED UP OF FOUR PERCENT.

THERE'S A NOTE ON THESE DISCLOSURES THAT SAYS IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

I MEAN, THIS HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE BECAUSE INTEREST RATES JUST KEPT GOING DOWN, BUT NOW THEY'RE COMING UP.

WE HAD THAT IN OUR DISCLOSURES, WE PLANNED FOR THIS.

I WOULD ASK COUNCIL THAT WE JUST HOLD TO OUR AGREEMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD WITH THIS AND IT'S ALREADY DISCLOSED TO THESE HOMEOWNERS THAT THIS WOULD CHANGE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW THE INTEREST RATE, LIKE JOE SAID, UNTIL THE DAY WE ACTUALLY GO PRICING AND SELL THESE BONDS.

WE'LL GO PRICING IN THE MORNING AND THEN WE'LL SELL THEM IN THE AFTERNOON.

WHAT THAT INTEREST RATE IS THAT DAY, LIKE A MORTGAGE, IT'S GOING TO LOCK THAT IN, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THE HOMEOWNER IS GOING TO PAY AND IT WILL BE UPDATED IN THEIR SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN.

ALSO, WE MENTIONED EQUIVALENT TAX RATES ON THIS.

EVEN WITH THIS INCREASE OF THEIR ANNUAL INSTALLMENT GOING UP TO LOW 2,000S, OUR EQUIVALENT TAX RATE IS STILL 3.2.

YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE DEAL BY THE SCHOOL? WINDROW GREEN, 3.5.

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ALL THE DEALS ALONG 2.88, 3.5 AND UP.

WE STILL HAVE A REALLY MARKETABLE TAX RATE.

I THINK FROM THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS WAS TO STRUCTURE TO REIMBURSE US FOR THE COST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WE SHOULD HOLD TO THAT AGREEMENT. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

>> THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

>> ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. MAURER OR FOR MICHAEL? [NOISE]

>> YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> IT'S OUT THERE. MR. MAURER CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE COST HAD TO BE INCURRED BEFORE WE COULD GO OUT FOR THE PID? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THERE'S SUCH A DELAY IN THE ISSUANCE OF THE PID BOND VERSUS THE FIRST HOUSE BEING SOLD?

>> THAT WAS ALL PART OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO A RAW LAND DEAL, RIGHT?

>> THAT WAS PART OF THE DECISION OF THE COUNSEL THAT WE WANT TO SEE PERFORMANCE, [NOISE] AND THE BAR THAT WAS SET WAS THAT 25 PERCENT OF THE HOMES THAT WERE PUT ON THE GROUND FIRST.

>> PUT ON THE GROUND FIRST?

>> THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR.

TO DO THAT HE HAD TO PUT IN ROADS AND WATER SEWER DRAINAGE TO SERVE, I DON'T THINK HE'S GOT ALL OF THE LOTS, BUT A MAJORITY OF THE LOTS ARE THERE AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON THE OTHERS IF THEY'RE NOT FINISHED, AS I RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSION A MONTH OR SO AGO.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THERE'S ONE OTHER CAP THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH TAX RATE EQUIVALENCY.

YOU PUT A CAP THAT CITY TAX RATE IN THE PID TAX RATE EQUIVALENT COULD NOT BE GREATER THAN $1.50.

YOU ALL WERE AT 63 SOMETHING LAST YEAR, SO THAT WOULD MEAN THE CAP IS WHAT? AROUND $0.87.

>> THEN LAST QUESTION IS AROUND THE TOURS PIECE.

DOES THIS AFFECT THE TOURS IN ANY MANNER?

>> THE TOURS IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THIS ANALYSIS.

WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED THAT.

YOU WOULD HAVE 27 PERCENT OF THE CITY TAX RATE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO FLOW BACK TO OFFSET.

I THINK THERE'S A CAP ON EACH HOME, IF I RECALL, OF TOTAL TAXES.

IT'S GOING TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT EVERY YEAR THAT'S APPLIED AGAINST THEIR ASSESSMENT ONCE THEY HAVE PAID THEIR TAXES.

IT'S A TRAILER.

>> THEY'LL PAY THE FULL LOAD THIS FIRST YEAR, AND THE SECOND YEAR IF THEY PAID THEIR TAXES, THEY'LL GET THAT BENEFIT.

>> THANK YOU. [NOISE]

>> JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FROM MICHAEL.

MICHAEL, WHERE ARE YOU AT ON PHASE ONE?

>> ORIGINALLY WE WERE GOING TO DO A BOND FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE NOW IS WE'VE BROKEN IT UP INTO TWO IMPROVEMENT AREAS.

THIS FUND ISSUANCE IS FOR SECTIONS 1 AND 2, WHICH ARE BOTH FULLY DEVELOPED AND HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE CITY.

WE'VE ALSO SOLD ALL OF OUR LOTS TO BOTH ANGLETON AND [INAUDIBLE], SO WE DON'T OWN ANY LOTS NOW, THEY CONTROL ALL OF THEM.

>> HOW MANY STRUCTURES ARE ON THE GROUND IN THOSE TWO, DO YOU KNOW? [NOISE]

>> I'M JUST GOING TO SPIT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT IT WAS AROUND 50-60.

>> THOSE ARE BUILT, NOT SO SOLD. UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

>> MICHAEL, CAN YOU STAY AT THE PODIUM?

I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO ASK THIS QUESTION ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION.

>> ONE LAST QUESTION.

INTEREST RATES KEEP GOING UP, COSTS ARE GOING UP.

YOU'RE NO INTEREST OF EVEN GOING IN HALF WITH THEM ON SCENARIO 3 TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS THAT ARE GOING ON. WHAT WAS AGREED TO?

>> WELL, HOW I STRUCTURE IT IS FOR THEM, THEY STILL HAVE A MUCH MORE MARKETABLE TAX RATE THAN COMPARABLE SUBDIVISIONS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE SALES PRICE OF OUR SUBDIVISION COMPARED TO WHAT ELSE IS IN THE CITY,

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WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

THAT WAS A RESULT OF US BEING ABLE TO CUT THIS TYPE OF REIMBURSEMENT DEAL AND DELIVER LOTS AT A CERTAIN PRICE POINT.

I THINK THEY STILL HAVE A HUGE BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY, THEY MANAGED TO PROVIDE IT ALONG WITH THE HOUSING PRICE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO LOG IN.

I STILL THINK IT'S A FAIR DEAL TO HOLD TO OUR AGREEMENTS AT THIS POINT.

>> WHAT'S THE COMPARISON YOU'RE USING?

>> I'M JUST USING ASP, AVERAGE SALES PRICE OF OUR HOMES COMPARED TO WIND ROSE GREEN AND ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.

I'M COMING TO ANGLETON. WE DID A TAX RATE STUDY FOR ALL THE COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA.

[OVERLAPPING]. THE TAX RATE WAS STILL MORE MARKETABLE THAN THE OTHER ONES.

>> THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE COMPARING IN ANGLETON IS WIND ROSE GREEN?

>> RIGHT. WIND ROSE GREEN AND THEN ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS UP TO AVA.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? TO THE LEFT, TO THE RIGHT? [NOISE] IT IS AN ACTION ITEM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

>> WELL, JUST TO ECHO.

WE DIDN'T COME JOINED AT THE HIP TONIGHT, BUT IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

WHAT'S AN AGREEMENT IF YOU CAN JUST TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AGREEMENT ANY MORE, WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T FEEL AS GOOD AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO FEEL.

IT COULD CHANGE THE OTHER WAY IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

THINGS DEPEND ON THE ECONOMICS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.

SOMETIMES IT LOOKS REALLY ROSY AND THEN OTHER TIMES IT DOESN'T LOOK SO GOOD.

BUT THE AGREEMENT IS THE AGREEMENT AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STICK WITH THAT.

>> I GUESS MY MIND WONDERS DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND I ACTUALLY COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, CECIL.

I MEAN, AN AGREEMENT SHOULD BE AN AGREEMENT.

I GUESS MY MIND DRIFTS OFF INTO UNDERSTANDING THOUGH THAT MIKE IS DOING HIS JOB AND GETTING HIMSELF THE BEST DEAL FOR HIMSELF.

JUST LIKE WHEN HE MET WITH CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORIGINALLY, HE WAS HAVING A SHAVE AWAY THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY A PART OF OURS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL.

THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO DO WHAT'S IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE GAME.

WE'VE GOT TO BE DOING WHAT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOUR AGREEMENT.

[NOISE].

>> ALL RIGHT COUNSEL, WHAT'S YOU ALL PLEASURE? I'LL ASK THE QUESTION. MS. JUDY, WHAT HAPPENS IF NOTHING HAPPENS OFF WITH THIS ITEM TONIGHT?

>> SO I'M NOT TO LOOK AT JOE.

WHAT HAPPENS, HOW DO WE GET IT BONDED? WE CAN'T GET A BOND AT FOUR PERCENT.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A BOND AT A DIFFERENT RATE.

>> AND THEN WE NEED TO DETERMINE, THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL SO WE'RE SEEKING GUIDANCE FROM YOU THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FACTUALLY.

WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER THE OUTCOME OF THE HIGHER INTEREST RATE THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO GO? WE'RE STUCK WITHOUT THAT DECISION.

WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BONDING, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING [OVERLAPPING].

>> NO, WE CAN'T BOND UNTIL WE KNOW AN ASSESSMENT LEVEL.

BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THIS IS OUR MAXIMUM ASSESSMENT LEVEL, AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO FIT IT IN.

WHAT IF RATES ARE AT SEVEN PERCENT BY THE TIME WE GET TO MARKET.

WE NEED DIRECTION AS TO WHERE WE CAPPING THIS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A CAP AND CAN'T JUST FLOAT. [NOISE]

>> I GOT YOU MR. MAYOR.

>> THAT'S WHERE WE'RE BACK TO YOU GUYS AS TO SAY WHAT IS OUR CAP? AND THEN WE'LL FIT IT IN.

>> CAN I SAY ONE QUICK SIR?

>> SURE, GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> I THINK JOE TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER TOO, BUT IN OUR REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, WE DO ESTABLISH A CAP OF THAT $1.50 NIKOLA TAX RATE.

IF HEAVENS FORBIDS, IT DOES KEEP CREEPING UP THAT WAY.

WELL, THERE IS A CAP, WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN AGREEMENT.

I THOUGHT THIS MEETING WAS A LITTLE REDUNDANT BECAUSE WE HAVE AGREED TO IT, BUT I THINK GETTING SOME DIRECTION FOR THEM WILL HELP THEM OUT BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT POINT REAL QUICK.

>> THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION, JOE,

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YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS UNDER THE WHAT THEY NEED TO DECIDE IS WHAT THE REIMBURSEMENT IS?

>> UNDER YOUR ESTIMATED AVERAGE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT?

>> RIGHT. WHAT WE DID WE TOOK THE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS SHOWN TO HOME BUYERS AND THEN BECAUSE WE HAD THE ASCENDING, WE TAKE THE LOW END, WE TOOK THE HIGH END AND WE FOUND A SPOT IN THE MIDDLE AND SAID, HERE WE GO.

FROM THE HOMEOWNERS, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.

NUMBER 1, WE FLOATED IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

>> TO GET TO FULL REIMBURSEMENT.

AND THEN NUMBER TWO AND THREE WERE THE LOW END AND THE HIGH END.

>> MR. MAYOR.

>> THESE ASSESSMENTS WERE IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

>> SO WE CAN GET THIS MOVING FORWARD.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE SCENARIO 1 FOR THE RIVER WITH RANCH PID, WHICH IS THE KEEPING THE ESTIMATED BOND PAR THE SAME INTEREST RATE AT 5.83 ESTIMATED, AND BASICALLY PASSING ALL THE COSTS OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER AS THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEAM. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND THAT.

>> SECOND BY COUNCIL AND BOOTH ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WILL THAT WORK, JOE? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SAYING THIS.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION.

>> OKAY. ANYMORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY SIGH.

LET'S THANK YOU, MR. JOE, FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. MICHAEL.

>> WE HAVE 4-2.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

>> IT'S A DIFFERENT TWO.

>> OKAY. HERE WE GO.

>> EXCUSE ME. MR. MAYOR, CAN WE TAKE A BREAK?

>> SURE. LET'S TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK.

I WISH I WAS IN A SHORT RECESS 8:07.

>> I'M JUST ASKING FOR A FRIEND. THAT'S ALL.

>> I GOT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE ON AND LET'S GET STARTED SO LET'S BACK AT THE TABLE AT 8:20 AND WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 10,

[10. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of the Ashland Project Street Dedication #1.]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE ASHLYN PROJECT STREET DEDICATION ITEM NUMBER 1. GO AHEAD, MR. OTIS.

THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT AS YOU JUST VOTED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR ASHLYN.

YOU WILL SEE A SERIES OF PRELIMINARY PLATS ACCORDING TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES.

THIS PARTICULAR PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD COVER THE DEDICATION OF STREET RIGHT A WAY AND THERE I THINK A COUPLE OF SLIDES THERE WOULD ACTUALLY SHOW YOU THE GENERAL AREA OF WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED FOR STREET DEDICATION NUMBER 1.

[BACKGROUND] THIS WOULD BE 127 RIGHT AWAY, ASHLYN BOULEVARD FOR CONSIDERATION AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FORWARDED THIS RECOMMENDATION [NOISE] TO YOU FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF THE CITY ENGINEER'S COMMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE DOCUMENTATION WITH A NUMBER OF NOTES THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED.

[NOISE] ONCE THAT FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT IS FILED WITH THE COURSE, INCORPORATE THOSE AS A CONDITION AS WELL AS THE WORKING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND CERTAINLY WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS DEPENDING ON THE SEQUENCE OF BRINGING THE LAND INTO THE ETJ.

THOSE AGREEMENTS, INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY, THE APPLICANT, THE CD, THOSE THINGS WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO AGREEMENT APPROVAL AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. [NOISE] ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? TEND TO ALWAYS LOOK AT MR. BOOTH, THE ENGINEER ON STAFF HERE OR ON COUNCIL.

>> JUST BE SURE TO PASS THIS ALONG TO YOUR CITY ENGINEER OR THEIR ENGINEER.

THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE FIRM PANEL 48039 CO 430 AND NOT 0435 AS STATED ON THE PLAT.

0435 IS EAST OF THIS LOCATION AND THIS ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE 500-YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

[02:10:01]

>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

>> BE SURE THAT THEY GET THAT CORRECTED ON THE PLAT.

WHAT IS THE RECEIVING STREAM FOR ALL THIS STORM WATER OUTFALL? WHERE DOES IT GO?

>> SO I'LL HAVE TO DEFER A COURSE TO THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS AND THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT ON SHEET ONE AND TWO WHICH WOULD COVER OF COURSE YOUR COMMENTS ON THE FLOOD MITIGATION BEING IN THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

[NOISE] I'M A LITTLE GREEN IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT INFORMATION WE CAN GET FOR YOU ON THIS ONE.

CORRECT ME KYLE ON THAT PARTICULARLY.

>> WELL, THERE'S A COMMENT ON THE DEAL ABOUT SUBMITTING THIS TO THE HAMILTON DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

THIS IS ALL OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE HAMILTON DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION OUT THERE.

BUT IT MAY BE A STREAM THAT WE BOTH DISCHARGE INTO SO THAT WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT WHERE DOES THE STORM WATER GO?

>> EXACTLY.

>> SINCE IT'S NORTH OF THE HAMILTON PROTECTION LEVY.

I ASSUME IT FLOWS WESTERLY AND SOUTH WESTERLY OVER TOWARDS [INAUDIBLE]

>> SIR, IF YOUR PROJECT ENGINEER. I'M SORRY [OVERLAPPING]

>> OKAY [OVERLAPPING]

>> ANYMORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 10 [NOISE]? I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE TONIGHT IS DOES NUMBER 10 AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, NUMBER 10 GOES HAND IN HAND WITH NUMBER 9, AND IF NUMBER 10 DOESN'T GO THROUGH DOES NUMBER 9? HOW DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?

>> YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE CONCEPT PLAN APPROVAL?

>> PREVIOUSLY?

>> THAT WE HAVE OF COURSE, DEALT WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN.

>> GOT YOU.

>> WE'RE SETTLED. WHAT WILL FOLLOW IS A SERIES OF PRELIMINARY PLATS AND THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER THREE ITEMS AFTER THIS ONE.

SAME CONSIDERATION SUBJECT TO THE DA APPROVAL AND OF COURSE, COORDINATION WITH ALL THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR THE ROADWAYS AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> OTIS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IS IT STANDARD FOR THE PRESENTATION TO HAPPEN AND THEN HAVE THE PRELIMINARY PLOTS AT THE SAME MEETING?

>> JUST LONG AS ONE PROCEEDS THE OTHER, I THINK WE'RE FINE. YES, SIR.

[OVERLAPPING] JUST UNDER THAT, YOU WOULD SEE A CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN PRELIMINARY PLATS TO FOLLOW? YES, SIR.

>> WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE STREET DEDICATION AT THE MOMENT?

>> ON THIS PARTICULAR SUB-MAIL, YES SIR.

SECTION 1 WOULD BE THE ONLY SECTION I THINK YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT IN TERMS OF AREA AND THEN I THINK YOU'RE ALSO DOING THE MODEL HOME AREA WITH A COUPLE OF LOTS AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS A SEPARATE CASE AS WELL.

WHAT WOULD FOLLOW AFTER THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF FINAL PLATTING WHICH WOULD GO BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PRIOR TO COMING TO YOU.

>> BUT THAT'S ON A LATER DATE? [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S ON A LATER DATE.

>> MR. MAYOR, I'M SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T ASK ME YOUR QUESTION.

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION?

>> [LAUGHTER] I WAS LEANING THAT WAY?

>> WELL, ACCORDING TO LAW, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN 30 DAYS, WHICH MEANS IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING AND YOU TABLE THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED BY LAW, BASICALLY.

YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU EITHER HAVE TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, OR DENY.

>> BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT BEFORE SO I DO REMEMBER THAT NOW.

>> THE QUESTION DID JUST NOW COME UP.

THIS PLAT ESTABLISHES THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR ASHLAND BOULEVARD DOWN TO SAPPHIRE SPRINGS TRAIL AND IT ALSO ESTABLISHES TWO DRAINAGE RESERVES OR DETENTION RESERVE, ONE AND TWO.

THIS ONE AND THE SUBSEQUENT ONES YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEY'RE JUST PIECES OF THE JIGSAW PUZZLE THAT STICK TOGETHER.

>> I LIKE HOW YOU WORDED THAT FOR ME.

I APPRECIATE THAT SIR, THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR WHAT'S YOU ALL'S PLEASURE?

>> WELL, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE STREET DEDICATION PLAT 1 FOR ASHLAND.

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>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> SHOULD THAT MOTION INCLUDE WITH APPROVAL OF COMMENTS?

>> HE'S MILLING HIS MOTION TO ALSO ADD THE COMMENTS.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> MOTION BY BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSING SAY THE SAME.

>> THAT IS FOUR TO TWO. MOTION CARRIES.

>> ITEM NUMBER 11, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON

[11. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of the Ashland Project Street Dedication #2.]

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE ASHLAND PROJECT STREET DEDICATION NUMBER 2.

MR. OTIS, LET'S SEE, IT'S YOUR NIGHT TONIGHT, SIR.

WE'RE THROWING YOU RIGHT INTO THE FIRE.

>> YES. THIS ITEM IS DEDICATION TWO, WHICH IS 31.5 ACRES.

AS YOU SEE THERE, RESERVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACREAGE AS WELL.

THE ENGINEERING SECTION HAS GIVEN US 10 CONDITIONS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE ON THE FINAL TO FINAL PLAT PROCESSING, THEN THIS WOULD BE AT ALL SO WE CAN SEE ITERATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS BEING COORDINATED AND APPROVED ALSO.

>> WILL YOU BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING, JUST SO IT'S ON RECORD?

>> YES, THIS IS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

VERY SIMILAR MOTION AS STATED EARLIER.

>> JUST A POINT OF HOUSEKEEPING NOTE IS, I REALLY DO ENJOY WHEN I SEE THE VOTE NUMBERS FROM P&Z, WHETHER IT'S APPROVAL OR DENIAL, JUST LIKE THREE, TWO, ONE ABSENT.

I SAW THAT ON SOME OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THESE ARE MISSING THOSE VOTES.

>> YES, SIR. THESE WERE UNANIMOUS BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE IN THE FUTURE THAT YOUR REPORTS WILL GIVE YOU THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, OTIS MY SAME COMMENTS APPLY TO THIS PLAT AS I DID BEFORE, MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT FIRM PANEL RIGHT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

>> YES, SIR. WE WILL MAKE SURE

>> MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE STREET DEDICATION, PRELIMINARY PLAT ASHLAND, DIVISION, WHAT IS IT, NUMBER 2?

>> NUMBER 2. ALSO WITH COMMENTS?

>> WITH COMMENTS.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSING SAY THE SAME?

>> THAT IS FOUR TO TWO, MOTION DOES CARRY.

>> SO WE'RE CONSISTENT.

>> ITEM NUMBER 12, DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ELECTION ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT

[12. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of the Ashland Project Model Home Park.]

OF THE ASHLAND PROJECT MODEL HOME PARK. MR. OTIS.

>> THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL FOR ACTUAL AND MODEL HOME PARK, THIS IS 3.46 ACRES, TWO RESERVES IN TWO BLOCKS, AND IT WOULD BE NINE LOTS.

THIS IS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION CONTINGENT UPON CONDITIONS BY THE ENGINEER AS ATTACHED IN THE ATTACHMENTS, THERE ARE 11 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

ONE WOULD INCLUDE, OF COURSE, THAT COMMENT ON THE FLOODPLAIN AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT CO-ORDINATIONS WITH THE COUNTY, THE APPLICANT, AND THE CITY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. MY QUESTION IS, IT'S PLAT FOR THE MODEL HOMES, AT WHAT POINT DO THESE COME IN? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO SERVICES OUT THERE, SO HOW DOES THAT ALL PLAY INTO THIS? SHOULD THINGS MATERIALIZE? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TO GET TO THIS POINT? BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THIS WILL BE THE FIRST THING THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS GOING UP IS THE MODEL HOME SECTION SO, CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER THAT QUESTION?

>> TRAVIS JANIK WITH ASHLAND GRID DEVELOPMENT WITH ASHLAND GRID DEVELOPMENT, I'M THE DEVELOPER.

[NOISE] THE TWO STREETS, THE MODEL HOME PART, THE SECTION 1, AND WE ALSO HAVE A SECTION 2 THAT WILL BE ON THE NEXT P&Z.

ALL OF THOSE PLATS WILL BE OUR PHASE 1 AND OUR SCHEDULED LINES UP THE TIME ALL OF OUR UTILITIES COMING ONLINE AROUND AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR FOR THOSE TO START, PENDING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING BEING.

>> SURE. THANK YOU.

>> ALSO THE INCORPORATION OF THE NEW AREA INTO THE ETJ.

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>> QUESTIONS? COMMENTS?

>> NO, YOU STOLE MY QUESTION.

[LAUGHTER].

>> AM I THINKING LIKE AN ENGINEER? [OVERLAPPING]

>> I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE WE'RE SITTING TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.

>> I GUESS, THAT'S IT, SIR.

ANYMORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE] PLEASURE?

>> MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE ASHLAND MODEL HOME PARK PRELIMINARY PLAT AS PRESENTED AND IT MUST RESOLVED THE QUESTIONS FROM OUR ENGINEER.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSING SAY THE SAME.

>> AYE

>> I'M ACTUALLY WITH THAT TOO, I'M WITH JOHN.

>> THAT MOTION DOES CARRY FOUR TO TWO.

LAST ONE FOR THE ASHLAND.

THERE WERE 13 DISCUSSIONS OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON

[13. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of Ashland Section 1.]

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF ASHLAND SECTION 1, MR. OTIS.

THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF ASHLAND SECTION 1 PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 21.5 ACRES, THAT'S 77 LOTS, AND THREE RESERVES AND FOUR BLOCKS.

THIS IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCIL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SUBJECT TO, AND THERE ARE SIMILAR CONDITIONS BY THE ENGINEER.

THERE ARE ACTUALLY 14 CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED ON THE PLAT UPON FINAL PLATTING AND THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPROVAL AND COORDINATION WITH INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, COORDINATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY, THE CITY, AND THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.

>> NO QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTION JUST CAME UP TO MY MIND IS IT SHOULD'VE ASKED HIM BUT, ARE THESE STREETS BEING CONSTRUCTED TO CITY CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS OR TO COUNTY CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS?

>> I THINK IS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS COORDINATED ACCORDING TO THE CD STANDARDS.

>> I THINK THE APPLICANT WILL AGREE.

>> I DIDN'T NOTICE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE POTENTIAL STREET NAMING IS ON MAYBE GYMS AND STONES. IS THAT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? LET'S SEE, LIKE ALL CONTEXTS TOPAZ. THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

NAMING SCHEME WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT, NOT LIKE THAT IN THE CITY YET.

LOOK FOR THE UNIQUE THINGS.

>> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A CALL-OUT.

[LAUGHTER] OR YOU WANT A MAYOR CALL US.

>> I THINK SILLY IF YOU ASKED ME, I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE IN [LAUGHTER].

>> THAT'S A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES.

>> I'VE BEEN DOWN THE STREET NAMING ROAD IN SUB-DIVISIONS BEFORE, SO IT CAN REALLY BE A HASSLE.

[BACKGROUND] YOU WOULD THINK YOU DON'T RUN OUT OF NAMES BUT AFTER THAT YOU STARTED DRAWING BLANKS OR ELSE THE NAME THAT YOU PICK, THERE'S ALREADY SOME REMOTE AREA OF THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING.

>> COUNCIL. ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM?

>> MAYOR. MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE THE ASHLAND SUBDIVISION SECTION 1, PRELIMINARY PLAT CONDITIONED UPON THEM RESOLVING THAT QUESTIONS FROM OUR CITY ENGINEER.

>> I WILL SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

>> GO AHEAD, SIR.

THIS IS 61 HOUSES, APPROXIMATELY.

>> SEVENTY SEVEN LAPS.

>> SEVENTY SEVEN.

>> SEVENTY SEVEN LAPS, 60 BY 120.

>> ANYMORE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, HEARING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN.

>> THAT IS 4-2, MOTION CARRIES.

I THINK THAT DOES IT FOR ITEM NUMBER 13.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14,

[14. Presentation on the Stasny Ranch proposed new development.]

[02:25:03]

PRESENTATION OF THE STASNY RANCH PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT.

GENTLEMEN, YOU ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.

WHO IS THAT GOING TO BE THAT YOU OTIS.

>> WELL, KYLE, BUT I'LL INTRODUCE IT.

THIS IS OF COURSE AT ONE OF OUR ENTRY WAYS, THE POSSIBLE NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT AREA 288 AND 35.

THE APPLICANTS, I THINK, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL JUST TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THEIR CONCEPT.

>> GO AHEAD. THE PODIUM IS FOR YOU GUY JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND IT IS ALL YOURS.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND STAFF.

THERE WE GO. YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, YOU'VE SEEN THIS PROPERTY BEFORE, AND WE'RE VERY PLEASED AFTER MANY MONTHS OF DISCUSSION AND LAND PLANNING AND ENGINEERING AND LEGAL AND FINANCIAL WORK TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU.

I'LL SAVE YOU FOR ME INTRODUCING THE TEAM, OUR BIOS ARE AT THE BACK OF THE PACKAGE.

IT'S ABOUT A 20-PAGE PACKAGE THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU OUR ENTIRE TEAM, MINUS OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE REGARDING LAND DEVELOPMENT, ENGINEERING, LEGAL, AND FINANCIAL.

MY NAME IS PARK PATTERSON.

I'M A DEVELOPER WITH KEITH BEHRENS AND WE HAVE MANY YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE AROUND THE HOUSTON MARKET.

YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR TEAM IS WHO WE ARE BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ABOUT A 300 ACRE DEVELOPMENT AT THE CORNER OF 288 AND 35 RIGHT BEHIND THE BUCKYS.

THIS PROPERTY HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM WHEN YOU SAW IT PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO.

[NOISE] WE'RE LOOKING AT A MIXED-USE PROPERTY FOR INDUSTRIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, AND COMMERCIAL, AS WELL AS OF COURSE, THE ASSOCIATED PARKS AND LAKES AND TRAILS.

WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH AN INDUSTRIAL USER THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING IN 2,200 NEW LOCAL JOBS IN TWO PHASES, ABOUT 1,000 IN THE FIRST PHASE, ABOUT 1,200 IN THE SECOND PHASE AND I'LL GET INTO THE DETAILS ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

OF COURSE, THIS IS A MIXED USE COMMUNITY, RIGHT ALONG 288.

THIS PROPERTY IS CITED AS ONE OF YOUR GATEWAY ENTRIES WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MAJOR SIGNAGE AND AN ANNOUNCEMENT INTO YOUR CITY.

OF COURSE, WE THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

WE'LL HAVE HOUSING FOR THE NEW RESONANCE FOR NEW PEOPLE MOVING IN TO WORK HERE AS WELL AS FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS.

RIGHT NOW, THE PROPERTY IS IN AG, IT GETS BASICALLY NO REVENUE TO THE CITY, NO SALES TAX, OF COURSE, AND VERY LITTLE PROPERTY TAX.

WE WOULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW.

WE'RE HOPING THAT AT THE END OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT THAT WILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO PARTNER WITH YOU AND MOVE FORWARD.

THIS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT THESE ARE ALL VERY LARGE MASTERPLAN COMMUNITIES IN THE HOUSTON MARKET, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.

WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF PLAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE.

IN PARTICULAR THIS IS AN AMAZON.

THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT SIDE, THERE'S AN AMAZON FACILITY AND JUST ANOTHER PICTURE OF IT ON THE RIGHT.

THIS IS A MISSOURI CITY.

IT IS IN THE CITY LIMITS.

IT'S A HUGE FACILITY DIRECTLY ACROSS.

WE'RE DEVELOPING ALSO ANOTHER ABOUT 350 LOTS THAT SO PEOPLE WILL LITERALLY BUILD A WALK TO THE AMAZON FACILITY IF THEY WANT TO, SO THEY CAN LIVE AND WORK RIGHT IN THE SAME AREA.

THIS AMAZON FACILITY IS UP IN OPERATIONAL.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY, GREAT LANDSCAPING, GOOD-LOOKING BUILDING, AND YOU CAN GO SEE THAT AT ANYTIME.

WE'RE NOT TALKING TO THE INDUSTRIAL USER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A FEW MINUTES IS NOT AN AMAZON USER, BUT THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF OUR EXPERIENCE.

[NOISE] ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A BUSINESS PARK DEVELOPMENT IN CONROE.

THESE ARE ACTUAL PHOTOS OF THE DEAL.

IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL OF THE PROJECT LOCATION FOR MAINLY FOR PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.

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OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THIS PROPERTY VERY WELL.

WE'RE RIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE OF 288, 35 IS BASICALLY OUR SOUTHERN BORDER.

THAT CORNER IS BUCKYS AND THE HOTEL.

ANGLETON DOWNTOWN IS TO THE EAST.

GO THROUGH TWO LAND PLANS.

THE THE BLUE IS INDUSTRIAL, THE TAN IS SINGLE-FAMILY, AND THE RED IS COMMERCIAL.

OF COURSE, THE DARKER BLUE IS DETENTION FACILITY.

ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT, AND THAT IS TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL NEED SOME FRONTAGE ROAD ON 288.

THERE IS A SHORT FRONTAGE ROAD.

IF YOU SEE THE RED ARROW AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND OF THE SLIDE, IT'S FURTHER TO THE EAST, SO THERE IS NO EXISTING FRONTAGE ROAD THERE NOW.

WE WILL EITHER HAVE A FRONTAGE ROAD THERE OR WE WILL HAVE WHAT WE CALL A BACK EDGE ROAD, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OFF OF THE FRONTAGE BUT WOULD BE THROUGH OUR PROPERTY AND NOT IN THE TEXT DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

ONE OR THE OTHER IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WORK.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THIS LAND PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND OF THE SCREEN, ABOUT $250 MILLION WORTH OF NEW DEVELOPMENT, BROKEN OUT INTO INDUSTRIAL, TAXABLE, NEW DEVELOPMENT VALUE, BROKEN OUT INTO INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, AND THEN, OF COURSE, NON-TAXABLE VALUE IN THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

THESE ARE CHARACTERISTICS THAT WE WOULD BUILD INTO THE PROJECT, HOPEFULLY THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, MUCH LIKE YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

THIS IS LAND PLAN NUMBER 2.

IN THIS YOU CAN SEE THE BACKAGE ROAD, WE CALL IT.

IT'S OUTSIDE OF TXDOT RIGHT-AWAY BUT WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WITHOUT THE DIRECT ACCESS ONTO 288, WE THINK IT DECREASES SUBSTANTIALLY THE VIABILITY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS IN THE RED.

WE WOULD PUSH THE COMMERCIAL TO THE SITES IN THE RED, WHICH ARE ON 35.

IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD HAVE A LARGER INDUSTRIAL ACREAGE.

THEN THE TURN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, THERE WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY.

DESPITE THAT THE PLANS ARE QUITE DIFFERENT, IT JUST TURNS OUT THAT THE VALUES ARE VERY SIMILAR.

TOTAL TAXABLE VALUES, AGAIN, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, AND THEN PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

PLEASE, STOP ME AT ANY POINT.

I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE QUESTION-AND-ANSWER PERIOD, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAST. I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED.

THIS IS WHAT IS MOST EXCITING TO US IS WE'RE IN VERY CLOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH A MAJOR INDUSTRIAL USER AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT THEY WOULD BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.

AN INVESTMENT OF ABOUT $1.7 BILLION.

THAT'S LAND, FURNITURE, FIXTURES, BUILDING, EVERYTHING, HIGH-TECH EQUIPMENT, OF COURSE, AND ABOUT 2,200 NEW JOBS BEING CREATED.

YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING SIZE AND THE STRUCTURE PARAMETERS.

THIS USER WOULD USE QUITE A BIT OF WATER AND UNDER THIS ASSUMPTION, YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, ABOUT 2.8 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

NOT TO WORRY, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK ON.

WE VERY LIKELY HAVE AN ON-SITE WATER PLANT JUST TO SERVE THIS PROJECT.

IT WOULD USE ABOUT 0.98 OR CALL IT A MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF SEWER.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, WHETHER THAT WORKS INTO YOUR PLANNING FOR SANITARY SEWER OR WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT ON OURSELVES ON OUR SITE.

YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS EARLIER TONIGHT.

THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM YOUR GATEWAY PLAN, THAT'S YOUR TYPICAL SIGNAGE.

IF YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BE, THERE'S A VERY SMALL COLORED BOX, AND WE, OF COURSE, WOULD BE HAPPY TO DEDICATE A SMALL AREA THERE FOR YOUR SIGNAGE.

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IT WOULD MAKE A GREAT ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE CITY, WHICH IS I THINK YOU WANTED TO DO IN YOUR GATEWAY PLAN.

IT WOULD ALSO BRING CHARACTER AND MAKE A GREAT ANNOUNCEMENT TO OUR NEW PROJECT.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH AND WILL CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH ON THIS TRACK.

WE THINK THIS IS A SUPREME TRACK IN THE CITY.

IT'S AT CORNER OF MAIN TO MAIN OFF TWO HIGHWAYS.

OF COURSE, ACCESS WILL BE AN ISSUE WITH THE WHETHER OR NOT WE GET A FRONTAGE ROAD.

BUT WE'RE PREPARED TO BRING QUALITY WORKFORCE HOUSING WITH OR WITHOUT THIS MAJOR INDUSTRIAL USER, WHICH BELIEVE ME, IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO DO THAT SO WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BRING THIS INDUSTRIAL USER.

IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE THINK THIS PROPERTY STILL SITS UP VERY WELL FOR SMALLER INDUSTRIAL TRACKS WITHIN THE DEAL.

THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM AN ACRE TO FIVE OR 10 ACRES, STILL PROVIDING JOBS, STILL GOOD-LOOKING BUILDINGS THAT WE WOULD DEED RESTRICT ON THEIR DESIGN, STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF QUALITY LANDSCAPING PROFESSIONALLY DESIGNED.

THE ENTIRE PROJECT, OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE EITHER AN HOA OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

IT WOULD BE DE-RESTRICTED THROUGHOUT AND PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED SO THAT PROPERTIES STAY IN GOOD CONDITION.

>> WE HAVE A QUESTION.

>> HEY, PARK. WE TALKED BACK-AND-FORTH ABOUT SPECIAL FINANCING.

WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT IN YOUR TERMS?

>> I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GET TO THAT, BUT [LAUGHTER] I CAN HIT IT RIGHT NOW IF YOU WANT.

IN FACT, LET'S TAKE THAT LAST BULLET POINT THERE.

THERE IS A MUD ON THE PROPERTY.

IT WAS CREATED 2019, I BELIEVE, IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE, MISSOURI COUNTY MUD 76.

OF COURSE, MUDS ARE PREVALENT THROUGHOUT THE HOUSTON MARKET AND HAVE ALLOWED US TO GROW, AND SUBURBAN CITIES TO GROW IN A VERY PLANNED MANNER.

WE'RE HAPPY THAT THE MUD, WHEN WE GOT INTO THE PROJECT THAT IT WAS ALREADY CREATED.

WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT, AND WITH YOUR CONSENT, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT EARLIER DISCUSSIONS, AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE WORKED AROUND HOW THAT MODEL OPERATES AND HOW WE OPERATE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING, BUILDING STYLE, BUILDING SIZES, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK THAT INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALONG WITH THE MUD WHERE OUR TEAM, I CAN GUARANTEE, THAT WE'RE VERY WELL-VERSED AS WELL IN TERRACES AND PIDS AND MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

ALL THESE TOOLS AT THE STATE ALLOWS YOU TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, ENCOURAGE ORDERLY GROWTH.

WE'D LOVE TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, OF COURSE, WE DON'T RUN INTO SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S ANY QUESTION AS TO WHAT TAX RATES ARE, ASSESSMENT RATES ARE, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE ENTER AN AGREEMENT, WE CAN GO BORROW MONEY BASED ON THAT AGREEMENT.

I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD EARLIER THIS EVENING SO THAT WE CAN COUNT ON THAT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR LENDERS, OF COURSE, AND MOVE, AS WELL AS WITH THE EVENTUAL HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY BUYERS SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE BUYING INTO.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WE DEFINITELY FAVOR THE MUD THAT'S ALREADY CREATED AND SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK OUT WITH YOU GUYS.

>> WITH THAT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

BUT I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THE NEXT PART OF THE SLIDES ARE OUR BIOS.

I'D BE HAPPY IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THOSE, BUT I'D HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IN SUMMARY, IF WE COULD GO AWAY TONIGHT WITH A HANDSHAKE THAT YOU DIRECT US TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PLAN OF ACTION FOR HOW THIS PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED, AND ALONG WITH THE FINANCIAL TOOLS, THE LAND PLAN, THE LAND USES, AND THE DESIGN RESTRICTIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMEN AT THE PODIUM?

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>> I'M A BIT OVERWHELMED.

>> IT'S AN EXCITING DEAL, I CAN TELL YOU.

>> WE'RE VERY THRILLED TO BE PART OF IT.

>> WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU.

I REALLY DO.

NOT TO SOUND LIKE A NICER OR ANYTHING, BUT I WORK AT FREE PORT.

OVER THE PAST, I'LL SAY THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE TRIED TO HAVE DEVELOPERS COME IN.

[LAUGHTER] WE'RE ON OUR THIRD ONE NOW, WHERE THE PORT WAS ON IT'S THIRD WHEN I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DEAL SET.

BUT IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THEM COME AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND MY GOODNESS, ALL THE UPFRONT EXPENSES THAT ARE INCURRED JUST GETTING THERE.

SADLY IT TOOK A COUPLE OF TIMES TO WHERE THEY GOT TO THE POINT THAT NOW WE DON'T SEE THE FEASIBILITY.

BUT I CERTAINLY WANT, AND I THINK THE WHOLE COUNCIL HAS DREAMED OF HAVING SOME COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL STUFF HERE RATHER THAN JUST BE WE TENDED TOWARD THE BEDROOM COMMUNITY HERE FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF THREE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO OFFSET THAT WITH REALLY SOME TAXABLE.

I THINK CHRIS WAS HERE, BUT NO WALTER WAS IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT GROUP.

THIS HAS COME SO FAR.

I WANT TO SAY A YEAR AGO WE HAD 950 FOOT LOTS OF PLANT AND BECAUSE, THANKFULLY, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GARNER THESE USERS, IT'S THE CHANGE IN THE PLAN OBVIOUSLY IS NIGHT AND DAY.

I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL NETS.

ONCE WE FOUND OUT THAT WE HAD THESE OPPORTUNITIES, WE STARTED LOOKING INTO EVERYTHING AS FAR AS LAND PLANNING, FINANCING, LEGAL, UTILITIES, THE WATER AND SEWER.

IT'S A VERY LARGE WATER USER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE TOOK ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND CAME UP WITH EVERYTHING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND SO HERE WE ARE.

WE'VE COME A LONG WAY.

>> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MATTER IS, WHAT I SAY, SO I'LL SAY IT.

I WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE SOME, I DON'T KNOW WHO MAKES THIS DECISION, THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

THERE'S CURRENTLY A CONFIGURED FRONTAGE ROAD THAT LEAVES COUNTY ROAD 44.

ALSO, KNOWN AS CAR ROAD THAT FEEDS PAST OR TO THE PRESENTLY KNOWN AS BG BECK PARK.

ALSO, THE FARMERS TRAIN STATION OUT THERE.

IF THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE A CONTINUATION BECAUSE I'D LIKE FOR THERE TO BE AN OPTION.

OTHER THAN JUST STAY HIGHWAY 35 TO ENTER AN EXIT INTO THIS PARK AT LEAST PROVIDE THE OPTION TO GO BACK NORTH TO COUNTY ROAD 44.

THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY THIS WILL BE SIGNIFICANT IN TIME.

IT'S ALREADY A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORNER.

I'M SURE IS WHY IT'S QUITE APPEALING.

STATE HIGHWAY 35, STATE HIGHWAY 288.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TO BE DONE WITH TEXTILE, WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE CITY.

BUT I FEEL I THINK IT'S GOT TO BE DONE.

NOT JUST CONCEIVED, IT'S GOT TO BE.

THE OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS JUST MORE OF A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

THAT LAND OUT THERE IS RIPE WITH GORGEOUS HERITAGE OAKS.

IF ANY COULD BE PRESERVED, THERE GOT TO BE 100-150 YEAR-OLD OAKS ON THAT PROPERTY. I UNDERSTAND.

IN ORDER FOR PROGRESS, YOU GOT TO MOVE ON.

BUT IF THERE'S ANY MAPPING THAT CAN BE DONE, ROADS THAT ALREADY INCORPORATES CURRENT GROVES OF ANCIENT OAKS THAT MUST HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED TO BE KEPT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCILMAN TILSON, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

>> OF COURSE.

[02:45:01]

>> GO AHEAD, JOHN. [LAUGHTER].

>> CAN YOU STAY QUIET FOR A MINUTE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WHEN I ASKED THE FORMER GROUP THAT WAS HERE, WHAT CHANGED BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THEIR LAST, IT WASN'T MUCH, BUT THIS ONE IS A CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENCE FROM THE FIRST TIME.

I THINK A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO, I SAT THERE AND SAID COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, WE NEED SOMETHING.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS INDUSTRIAL USER THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH.

WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS A BAIT AND SWITCH.

I WANT TO KNOW HOW SERIOUS ARE YOU AND YOUR GROUP ABOUT BRINGING SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THIS AREA?

>> IT IS VERY MUCH IN OUR FAVOR.

WE WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT IT'S IN OUR BEST INTERESTS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

>> THAT WOULD BE A SINGLE USER?

>> I'M SORRY.

>> ONE SINGLE INDUSTRIAL USER?

>> YES. ON IT APPROXIMATELY 125-150 ACRES, BASICALLY HALF THE DEAL, HALF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> SO DOES YOUR RESIDENTIAL GO AWAY OR DOES YOUR COMMERCIAL GET SCALED DOWN?

>> WELL, [INAUDIBLE] ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS.

IF WE DON'T GET THE LARGE INDUSTRIAL USER, WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO DO ABOUT 80 OR 100 ACRES OF JUST REGULAR INDUSTRIAL.

WE HAVE THAT AS PART OF OUR PLAN.

>> WHAT KIND OF INDUSTRIAL?

>> IT'LL BE SMALLER USERS LIKE 5-10 ACRE SITES THAT BASICALLY WE CAN SOLVE.

WE FEEL OVER TIME THAT THE PORTS IS GROWING AND WE'RE PROBABLY TWO YEARS AWAY FROM A BIG EXPLOSION ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE.

THAT'S PART OF OUR PLAN.

THIS IS MORE CATERED TO THAT LARGER INDUSTRIAL USER, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE HAVE OTHER PLANS THAT WE'D WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO PROBABLY SCALE IT DOWN.

I THINK OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS ABOUT 80 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL BEFORE THIS LARGE USER EVEN CAME TO PLACE.

THAT'S OUR PLAN.

THAT'S WHY WE LIKE THE SITE.

>> WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.

MY ONLY CONCERN AND MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT AND THEN YOU CAN'T GET THAT INDUSTRIAL USER, AND YOU CAN'T FIND THOSE COMMERCIAL [NOISE] TENANTS, THEN SUDDENLY THIS ALL GOES BACK TO RESIDENTIAL AGAIN?

>> I THINK THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT WE STRIKE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN THAT HAS THE INDUSTRIAL ALONG THE SIDE.

>> CORRECT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT.

>>NO, I UNDERSTAND.

>> YOU COULD BE STUCK WITH PROPERTY THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE, RIGHT?

>> NO, THAT RISK.

>> [OVERLAPPING] YES.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS INDUSTRIAL YEAR.

YOUR PLAN B IS SMALLER USERS THAT WE TALK IN PREFAB, CONCRETE WALL, BUILDINGS, ARE WE TALKING WAREHOUSES WITH 10?

>> WE WOULD BASICALLY WORK WITH THE CITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT LOOKS CHEAP.

LET'S JUST SAY WE WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE, AND THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENT.

YOU'RE RIGHT OFF 288.

IT'S AT A FOCAL POINT, MR. TOWNSEND'S POINT, THERE ARE SOME NICE TREES.

MAYBE THERE'S A WAY WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME THINGS.

IT SETS UP AS A NICE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S OUR INTENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

WE'VE ALL PARTICIPATED IN LARGE MASTERPLAN COMMUNITIES.

WE DON'T LIKE TO DO THINGS THAT DON'T LOOK GOOD.

THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENT AND WE INTEND TO WORK WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> I ECHO COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND'S DESIRE FOR THOSE ROADS TO PUSH THROUGH TO THE PARK AND INTO THE FEEDER ROADS TO HAVE MOBILITY.

I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER LAST POINT THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IS THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING IT, THAT IT FITS WITH WHERE IT'S GOING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, I KNOW YOUR CONCEPT 1 HAD IT IN THE BACK, CLOSER TO LONGHORN ESTATES BACK THERE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT IF YOU CAN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THEN IF YOU IN SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE IN CONCEPT 2 IS WHERE YOU HAVE IT CLOSER TO THE PARK TOWARDS ACCESSIBLE FOR WHOEVER LIVES IN THAT AREA TO BE ABLE TO GET TO OUR PARK, MAYBE THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM IN-BETWEEN WHERE THEY'RE ON THE WEST SIDE AND A BARRIER TO THE PARK MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

>> I'LL JUST POINT OUT ONE THING.

WE HAVE THESE TWO CONCEPTS.

ONE HAS THE FRONTAGE ROAD WITH A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL, GOES ALONG WITH WHAT THOSE ASTON GRAY GUYS HAD IT.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO TEXTILE, WE KNOW IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

I THINK IT COSTS US ABOUT $10 MILLION TO BUILD OUR FRONTAGE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S ALL ON US.

IT'S THAT SAME THING WE NEED A SPA OR SOME AGREEMENT OR SOME CONSIDERATION FROM THE CITY TO WORK WITH US ON HELPING FINANCE THAT ROAD SOMEHOW.

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THAT GOES ALONG WITH JUST THE MUD PROBABLY IF YOU-ALL WERE TO ALLOW US AND CONSENT TO A MUD AND ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE JUST NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT.

BASICALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT COULD WORK.

BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT POINT.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON OUR END, BUT WE NEED TO VISIT WITH STAFF AND YOUR CONSULTANTS TO HASH IT OUT.

>> I'LL SAY I THINK ON THAT SUBJECT MATTER.

I THINK IT'S A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY AND BEING MINDFUL ALSO OF THE CURRENT TRAFFIC AND FUTURE TRAFFIC AS WELL.

FOR US TO PUSH THROUGH AND GIVE ACCESS TO KENDRA 44 IS I THINK PRETTY CRITICAL, QUITE HONESTLY.

IF YOU'RE THINKING LONG TERM AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE.

>> THIS COUNTY ROAD 44 IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THOROUGH PLAN FOR BRASILIA COUNTY.

THEY'VE GOT PLANS FOR THAT.

IT'S THE MAJOR AXIS IN AND OUT OF TOWN.

I SUSPECT, OF COURSE IT'S OFF THE PAGE, BUT THEY STARTED THE BEST THEY COULD.

THEY HAD TO GIVE ACCESS TO STAY IN THE RANCH AND THE SOCCER FIELDS AND STUFF AT THE TIME.

THERE'S A LITTLE SECONDARY ROAD THAT GOES IN THERE, SO THERE'LL BE SOME MAJOR REVISIONS TO WHAT'S OUT THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS MUCH TRAFFIC.

>> OUR THOUGHT IS IF FOR SOME REASON THE FRONTAGE ROAD, WE COULDN'T WORK IT OUT FINANCIALLY, MAYBE THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP WE COULD STRIKE WITH THE CITY TO CREATE SOME BACK EDGE ROAD THAT IS IN THE CITY, I GUESS YOU-ALL ON THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME COMBINATION OF HOW WE COULD GET CONNECTIVITY FROM POINT A TO 35 AND MAKE IT GO THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO GIVE ACCESS OR A BACK EDGE.

NOW, WE'D HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND YOUR TEAM AND FIGURE OUT HOW THIS ALL COULD WORK.

>> ARE YOU REQUESTING ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY?

>> YES. THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE HERE WOULD BE TO BE ANNEXED. THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN.

IF WE CAN WORK OUT THE SPECIAL FINANCING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE DEAL FINANCIALLY VIABLE, WE WANT TO BRING THE COMMERCIAL AND GIVE YOU ALL THE SALES TAX REVENUE AND OBVIOUSLY THE VALUE THAT COMES WITH IT AND THE ADDITIONAL TAXES FROM ROOFTOPS, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THAT WORK. THAT'S THE PLAN.

>> YOU DO HAVE A VERY NARROW STRIP.

BASICALLY THE GREEN STRIP ON THE BOTTOM SLIDE.

>> YES, SIR. ADJACENT TO THE FREEWAY. YES, SIR.

>> YOU WANT TO BE IN IN-CITY MUD? [BACKGROUND]

>> TRADE-OFF. WE SAY VTJ, SALES TAX, PROPERTY TAX.

>> IT WILL BE A DEAL SIMILAR TO [INAUDIBLE]

>> FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, WE'RE STRAPPED RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXPAND OUR SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY, EXPAND OUR WATER CAPACITY WITH ALL THE HUNGRY MOUTHS THAT ARE [LAUGHTER] COMING ALONG.

>> THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY ON TO YOU WHEN WE'RE USED TO WORKING WITH CITIES TO BASICALLY WORK IT OUT AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WHERE WE'RE POSSIBLY HELPING TO DO SOME OF THAT.

FINE WITH IMPACT FEES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> HI, I'M ANGIE [INAUDIBLE] AND I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME OF YOU BEFORE WITH THE STANCE OF THE PROJECT, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, IS TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF WE DO ASK TO BE ANNEXED INSIDE THE CITY WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S WATER AND SEWER ISSUES AND WE CAN HELP IN THAT WAY BY BUILDING ANOTHER WATER PLANT OR SEWER PLANT THAT CAN SERVE AREAS AROUND THAT AREA RIGHT THERE AND GETTING FOR ANNEXED INSIDE OF THE CITY.

WE COULD BUILD IT FOR YOU AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY FOR OWNERSHIP AND OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.

>> I'M SURE THERE ARE OPTIONS OUT THERE.

>> THIS HASN'T BEEN DIRECTLY ADDRESSED.

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OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS DEPENDING ON WHAT OPTION TAKES PROVISION.

RESIDENTIAL WILL BE A PART OF THIS.

WHAT DO YOU ALL SEE THE LOT SIZES OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL?

>> YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WANT A VARIED PROGRAM OF LOTS.

I CAN TELL YOU WITHOUT QUALIFICATION, A BIG USER LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WANTS TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEARBY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY END UP BEING A LIVE WORK PLAY WALK-ABLE COMMUNITY.

YOU COULD LIVE THERE, YOU COULD HOPEFULLY EAT THERE AND YOU GO TO WORK THERE.

>> THEY CAN WALK TO THE SOCCER PARK.

>> YOU WALK TO THE SOCCER PARK. [LAUGHTER]

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> YOU-ALL LAUGH, BUT REALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE PLAY SOCCER IN ANGLETON.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE MOST SATURDAY MORNINGS, HALF THE CITY.

>> SURE. YEAH. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BUT HONESTLY, WE HAVEN'T COME TO A CONCLUSION ON LOT SIZES, BUT VARIED PROGRAM OF LOTS WOULD BE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

>> I JUST REMEMBER MAYBE IT'S THE PREVIOUS GROUP.

THEY WERE BANTERING AROUND THE IDEA OF 30 OR 35 FOOT LOTS IN THAT SECTION.

>> YOUR OWN TYPE.

WE GOT THAT. [LAUGHTER]

>> I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT SMALL.

JUST IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PART OF THE CITY AND OR COUNTY, THERE'S LOTS OUT THAT WAY BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE OF [INAUDIBLE] ARE MUCH MORE, I DON'T KNOW, BEING HOME FRIENDLY OR NOT BEING HOME FRIENDLY, BUT BIGGER YARD FRIENDLY.

IT JUST WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AREA OF TOWN, BUT THAT'S JUST MY IDEA.

>> JUST GOT ONE QUESTION.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE CEMETERY?

>> LEAVE IT THERE. [LAUGHTER]

>> I'VE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE AND I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

>> I WANT TO SAY ONE LAST THING.

WE'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES, AND AN IN-CITY MUD COULD FIND WAYS TO HELP FINANCE A REC CENTER FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD HELP IN SOME WAY IN FORMING THAT.

[OVERLAPPING] YES. WE'VE BEEN THINKING WHILE WE'VE BEEN HERE.

>> HE WAS TAKING NOTES TOO.

[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]

>> THE SIZE OF RESIDENTIAL WE'RE FINDING THAT ACREAGE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A LARGE RECREATIONAL FACILITY, WE'LL HAVE SOME PARKS AND OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH CITY STAFF ON THE PARKS BUT WE WOULDN'T BE COMPETING.

>> WELL, WE COULD GIVE THOSE THOUSAND JOBS A DISCOUNT TO JOIN.

HOW MANY HOMES ARE YOU THINKING? JUST RIGHT NOW, OFF TOP YOUR HEAD?

>> WE CAN GET CREATIVE.

>> USER IS PROBABLY 300-350, 300 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IF WE DON'T GET THE LARGE INDUSTRIAL USE AND WE SCALE DOWN THE INDUSTRIAL, PROBABLY BUMP UP TO BALLPARK LIKE 400-500S.

POTENTIALLY, IT DEPENDS ON THE ACREAGE.

WE'D PROBABLY BE IN THE REALM OF THE DENSITIES WE ALL HAD BEFORE, AT LEAST WITH WHAT ASHTON GRAY HAD WE WOULD HAVE AMPLE PARKS AND WANT TO SET IT UP WHERE THERE ARE SOME TRAILS AROUND THE LARGE LAKE SYSTEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.

TRY TO MAKE IT UP. LIKE PARKS SAID, LIVE, WORK, PLAY COMMUNITY.

>> WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU-ALL.

LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID THAT YOU ALLOCATE JOBS.

WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAS COME THROUGH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU-ALL HAVE COME WITH A PLAN THAT IS PLEASURABLE FOR US.

NOT SO MUCH TENSION, THAT TENSION THAT GOES BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND COUNSEL. I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

WE'VE ALWAYS SAID AS WELL, WE WORKED ON THE HOUSING OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THEN OUR NEXT STEP IS TO GET THOSE JOBS.

WE WANT THE WORKERS TO STAY HERE IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

GROSS TAX BASE GETS US MORE INCOME.

I APPRECIATE THAT THE FACT THAT YOU-ALL ARE REALLY HOPEFULLY AGGRESSIVELY AS YOU'RE TELLING US, TO RECRUIT A LARGE ONE SINGLE USER THAT COULD CREATE SOME REALLY GOOD JOB SOURCE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HIRE INTO THE BLUE COLLAR WORKER AREAS.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY WELL FOR US BECAUSE WHEN WE LOST THE ERROR METRICS FACILITY OF ABOUT 5-600 EMPLOYEES, THAT HURT.

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WE'VE ALWAYS SAY WE NEED TO GET ONE OF THOSE BACK.

I'M SURE THERE'LL BE MORE DISCUSSIONS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE HOW THE CITY COULD PARTNER SHOULD THIS MATERIALIZE BECAUSE WE WOULD BE A PART OF YOU-ALL TRYING THROUGH THAT RECRUITMENT.

THERE'S THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL.

THIS ONE I SAW COME ACROSS REALLY PERKED MY EYES AND THOUGHT, I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE AS MUCH SLEEP AFTER LEAVING HERE BEFORE MEETING WITH THIS PROJECT IN MY EYES THAN WE'VE HAD WITH JUST SOME OTHER PROJECTS.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO GET HERE AND YOU'RE GOING WITH OUR A BETTER DIRECTION THAT MAKES IT EASY TO SWALLOW FOR US.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT ONE BUT THANK YOU-ALL SO MUCH FOR THE HARD WORK.

LIKE CECIL SAID, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO JUST GETTING TO THIS POINT FINANCIALLY AND TIME, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

[BACKGROUND] SURE.

GO AHEAD.

>> [BACKGROUND] IT WILL BE MORE OF A FAST-PACED DISCUSSION BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO NARROW SOMETHING DOWN QUICKLY.

THAT WOULD BE SITTING DOWN WITH CHRIS AND HIS TEAM.

BASICALLY, WE'RE JUST SAYING, ARE YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BECAUSE WE PROBABLY HAVE TO ACT PRETTY FAST NOW.

[OVERLAPPING] IF SOMETHING CHANGES WE'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW RIGHT AWAY.

WE STILL WANT TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THE REGULAR DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL INTERESTED, EVEN IF WE DON'T GET THAT ONE USER.

WE STILL WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

>> WE PUSH THE PEDAL, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WILL HAVE TO GAUGE THE PEDAL ON HOW FAST YOU GOT TO PUSH.

WE DO REALIZE WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE ON TIMELINES BECAUSE THEY MAY BE SEARCHING, LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS.

[OVERLAPPING] EXACTLY.

>> I'M SURE ESPECIALLY FOR THE SINGLE LARGE DEVELOPER, WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE THINGS MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, OR AT LEAST WE CAN PUSH THEM AS FAST AS WE CAN PUSH THEM.

[OVERLAPPING] ESPECIALLY AN INDUSTRIAL USER.

>> YEAH. WE JUST REMEMBER WE MEET TWICE A MONTH.

[LAUGHTER] THAT'S IT.

>> THAT'S YOU ALL FULL TIME JOB. THIS IS OUR PART-TIME. [LAUGHTER].

>> IT'S OKAY.

>> I THINK CHRIS WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> YEAH, GO AHEAD, CHRIS.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ECHO COMMENTS MADE EARLIER.

THEY'VE COME A LONG WAY.

THEY'VE LISTENED TO STAFF.

I LIKE THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AT LEAST FOR THE 2.5 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE AND GIVES US A MORE STABLE TAX BASE, IT GIVES US JOBS HERE IN ANGLETON THAT WE'VE LOST IN THE PAST.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING.

AT THIS POINT IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM.

BUT I JUST NEED SOME VERBAL COMMENTS LIKE MOVE FORWARD OR NOT OR WHATEVER SO STAFF HAS SOMETHING LIKE, YES, WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE, WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU.

MAYBE AS WE'VE DONE BEFORE, THERE'LL BE SOME TALKING POINTS THAT WE'LL NEED TO DISCUSS, LIKE INCENTIVES OR PARTNERSHIPS OR WHATEVER THAT WE MAY NOT AGREE ON, OR WE JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL ON HOW TO ACT.

>> WELL, IF I MAY SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A PLAUSIBLE PROJECT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL MAYBE HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS.

YOU'VE HEARD OUR COMMENTS TONIGHT, SO IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT SENSE OF DIRECTION AND THEY'VE HEARD IT TOO, WHAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE TO SEE AND ENVISION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU ALL.

>> BUT WHEN YOU SAY DISCUSSIONS, NOW WE'RE GOING TO INVOLVE ATTORNEY TIME AND MONEY.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS SO WE DON'T WASTE THEIR TIME.

>> WE DON'T WASTE OUR TIME AND RESOURCES.

>> WELL, WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.

IF WE'RE WITHIN THOSE COUPLE OF OPTIONS, I THINK [OVERLAPPING] IT'S WORTH IT [OVERLAPPING] THE INVESTMENT OF TIME AND MONEY.

IF THEY JUST COME TO YOU ALL AND THEY CHANGE JUST LIKE JOHN THREW OUT THE BAIT AND SWITCH EARLIER.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT DON'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYBODY.

BUT IF SOMETHING THEY COME BACK IS RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE TWO OPTIONS THEY PROVIDED, THEN IT'S TIME FOR YOU ALL TO BREAK OFF NEGOTIATIONS AND GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THAT WILL BE MY [OVERLAPPING].

>> OR COME BACK TO YOU ALL AND SAY [OVERLAPPING].

>> SAY THIS IS NOT GOING THE WAY WE THOUGHT WE WERE HEADED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> THAT'S CLEAR. I'M JUST MAKING SURE.

>> I THINK MOST OF US HAVE BEEN IN SENIOR COUNCIL FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UNDERSTAND THE NEED OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, ANY TAX BASE WE CAN FURTHER DEVELOP OTHER THAN JUST AT THE LAUREN TEXAS.

>> I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT MAYBE AT SOME POINT THERE MAY BE SOME REIMBURSEMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME OF THAT FEES AND STRUCTURE THAT GOES DOWN THE ROAD.

>> LET'S JUST BEGIN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR IN GUIDANCE AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AND COME BACK, REPORT BACK AND SEEK APPROVAL WHEN WE NEED TO DO THAT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE.

ALL OF YOU ALL COMMENTS GOOD?

>> I WILL GOOD WITH THAT.

>> OKAY. THAT DIRECTION, SIR?

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>> I'M GOOD.

>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU ALL.

>> SAFE TRAVELS HOME AS WELL.

>> NO, CHRIS, WE'RE NOT TAKING A POTTY BREAK.

WE'LL KEEP ON GOING. YOU TOOK YOUR FIVE-MINUTES.

NUMBER 15 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON

[15. Discussion and possible action on the preliminary plat of Coleman Commercial Park]

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF COLEMAN COMMERCIAL PARK.

>> MISTER OTIS.

>> IT'S ON THE CORNER.

>> THE PAPER?

THIS IS A REQUEST OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT PER COLEMAN COMMERCIAL PARK.

THIS IS A CONSIDERATION OF JUST UNDER ONE ACRE LOT LOCATED ON SEBESTA AND THIS IS WEST OF 288.

THE APPLICANT HAS GONE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BASED ON COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE ENGINEER AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BASED ON CLEARING OF SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE ON THE PRELIMINARY AS WELL.

THE ENGINEER HAS ASSERTED THAT A NUMBER OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE CLEARED REGARDING THE ACREAGE FOR THE TWO LOT AND ONE RESERVE, ONE BLOCK SUBDIVISION PLAT.

[NOISE] THOSE COMMENTS BY THE ENGINEER ARE STILL PENDING AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TODAY TO ASCERTAIN THAT THOSE EITHER HAVE BEEN CLEARED OR THEY WILL PROMISE THEY HAVE THOSE CLEARED BY THE FINAL PLAT.

THOSE OF COURSE, DEALT WITH SOME WORK BEING DONE, I THINK, WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE METHOD OF ACHIEVING THAT THROUGH SOME FORM OF MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED BY LEGAL AND OF COURSE, APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.

>> SOUNDS GOOD.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT OF 80 PERCENT MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO, OF COURSE, ABIDE BY THAT.

THEN THE OTHER ITEM WAS THE ISSUES OF PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC MAINTAIN DEVICES SUCH AS THE BACK-FLOW.

I'LL DEFER MAYBE COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANTS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THREE ITEMS CAN BE SATISFIED FOR THAT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

>> THAT LOT THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE PROPERTY, I DON'T SEE IT ON THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE, BUT ISN'T THAT NEAR THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL? [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT IS NORTH OF IT. YES, SIR.

>> IS THAT JUST NORTH OF IT OR JUST SOUTH?

>> JUST NORTH OF IT.

>> THIS IS NORTH OF IT.

>> THIS IS JUST NORTH OF IT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> [OVERLAPPING] AREA IS WHERE HOPE IS NOW.

>> THIS IS WHERE BARRY COLEMAN'S OFFICE IS.

>> THAT WORKS FOR THE AREA CONSIDERING THERE'S THE TRUCK STOP.

>> I BELIEVE MR. OWENS LIVES NEXT DOOR TO HIM.

>> IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT, RIGHT?

>> DID THIS GET SENT?

>> P&Z?

>> THERE WAS NO NOTIFICATION GIVEN TO THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS?

>> NOT REQUIRED HERE, SIR.

>> I'LL MAKE MOTION WE APPROVE.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I'M GOING TO COMMENT.

>> GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> GONGORA, TO PUT A DIMENSION ON THE SOUTH SIGN OF LOT 1.

>> WELL, HE CALLED HIM OUT [LAUGHTER].

>> I KNOW HIM. I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE HE WAS A LITTLE GUY.

>> ALL RIGHT. WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO DO A CORRECTION ON THERE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THE SIGN? THAT MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU,

[16. Consideration of approval of a preliminary plat for a 12.390-acre subdivision in the J. De J. Valderas Survey, Abstract No. 380.]

SIR. MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER 16, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A 12.390 ACRE SUBDIVISION IN THE J.

DE. J VALDERAS SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 380. GO AHEAD, MR. OTIS.

>> THANK YOU. MY APOLOGY. I HAD TO CATCH UP HERE.

THIS IS CONSIDERATION TO HAVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 12.390 ACRES SUBDIVISION.

THIS OF COURSE, WAS SENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO HAS SENT THIS TO YOU FOR A POSITIVE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS BASED ON THE CITY ENGINEER COMMENTS.

THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT OF 12.390 ACRES IS BASICALLY TWO TRACK SITUATION HERE, JUST OFF, I'M GOING TO MESS UP THIS ROAD,

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BUT [OVERLAPPING] GALAZNIK ROAD.

MY APOLOGY [LAUGHTER].

JUST OF COURSE, NORTH OF HENDERSON.

THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION PLAT IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU WITH, OF COURSE, A LOT OF BACK-AND-FORTH, AS I NOTED ON THE RECORDS.

BUT THOSE CONDITIONS BY THE ENGINEER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THIS INSTANCE AND YOU HAVE BEEN COPIED THOSE FINAL CONCERNS BY THE ENGINEER.

THOSE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT APPROVAL.

>> THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MARKUPS ON THE PLAT AND THOSE ITEMS WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEARED BY FINAL PLANNING.

THERE WERE 15 ITEMS.

>> SO P&Z ORIGINALLY, THEY VOTED AGAINST IT ON JULY 7TH.

IT DIDN'T PASS.

>> THERE WAS TWO IN FAVOR AND TWO OPPOSED.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE REASONS WHY AND THEN WHAT THE FINAL VOTE WAS? WAS IT UNANIMOUS TO APPROVE IT?

>> THERE WAS A LITTLE HISTORY HERE, AS YOU SEE, THE CASE ON JULY 7TH WHERE THEY VOTED TWO IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED, THREE WERE ABSENT, AND THERE WAS A DENIAL IN THAT INSTANCE BECAUSE THERE WERE A NUMBER WHO REQUESTED VARIANCES.

THEN LATER A REVISED APPLICATION CONVERTING IT FROM A MINOR TO A PRELIMINARY PLAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES FOLKS DON'T REALIZE THAT IT DOESN'T FIT THE REQUIREMENTS OF A MINOR PLAT.

THEN THE VARIANCE IS, I THINK TRIGGERED THAT.

BACK IN JULY, A MINOR PLAT WITH VARIANCES WAS WITHDRAWN, APPARENTLY FROM THE COUNCIL AGENDA.

THEY'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH AND THEIR PRELIMINARY CONSIDERATION WAS SENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER THE 1ST IN WHICH THEY BASICALLY APPROVED IT.

I THINK A NUMBER OF THE ISSUES HAD BEEN CLEARED AS FAR AS THE ENGINEER WAS CONCERNED.

YOU'VE BEEN COPIED. I THINK THE FINAL LETTER IS ON THAT.

>> BUT THE VOTE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST AT P&Z WAS IT JUST THAT THE THREE ABSENT VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT, SO IT PASSED OR? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY HERE.

>> THE LAST DECISION WAS TO VOTE APPROVE ONE AND I DON'T HAVE THAT VOTE TALLY UNFORTUNATELY WITH ME.

>> OKAY. [NOISE] THIS IS A STORAGE?

>> FOUR TO ONE.

>> FOUR TO ONE? THIS IS A STORAGE FACILITY BASICALLY? THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> YEAH. HOW DO YOU DO? I'M RICK CLARK.

YES. I'M REPRESENTING MY DAUGHTER ON THIS ONE AND THAT WILL BE HER PLAN.

JUST HAD A DAUGHTER, SO SHE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.

>> RICK CLARK IS THAT FOR BOTH TRACKS OR JUST ONE TRACK GOING TO BE IN STORAGE UNIT, ANOTHER ONE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE?

>> THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S A FOUR-ACRE WOULD BE CLIMATE CONTROL STORAGE, THE EIGHT ACRES, WE HAD SOME IDEAS WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE EIGHT ACRES.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THE RE-PLAN, WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE AS WELL.

THE VARIANCE WOULD OFFER ME SOME TEMPORARY RELIEF ON A VERY EXPENSIVE INVESTMENT.

FOR INSTANCE, BRINGING THE WATER AND SEWER THERE AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE'RE READY TO DO THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT WAS ESTIMATED AT $130,000 AND THAT WASN'T EVEN THE END OF IT.

THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE GOING TO COST MONEY AND THIS COULD BE DONE WITHOUT CAUSING THE CITY ANY GRIEF BECAUSE ALL THE ISSUES IN DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE MET BEFORE PERMITTING, SO WE'RE NOT COMPROMISING THE CITY IN ANY WAY HERE BY ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE, WE'RE JUST PUTTING OFF THESE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS UNTIL WE'RE READY TO DO OUR FINAL DEVELOPMENT.

[NOISE]

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>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. CLARK OR FOR MR. OTIS?

>> SO, TRACT 1 IS THE FIRST ONE YOU DEVELOP, WHICH IS CLOSER TO 523?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL. THIS IS ACTION CONSIDERED ITEM.

>> MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF 12.390 ACRES.

DOES IT HAVE A NAME YET?

>> NOT YET.

>> NOT YET. OKAY. IT WAS PRESENTED, AS LONG AS IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY ENGINEER.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE VARIANCES, DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN HERE TONIGHT, MR. OTIS AS WELL? THIS VARIANCE THAT HE'S REQUESTING?

>> YOU WANT TO PUT THAT IN HERE.

>> WITH THE NOTED VARIANCES ON, THERE WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED AT DEVELOPMENT TIME.

>> SO I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WHERE ARE THEY? BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN YOUR AGENDA SUMMARY.

IS IT ON THE [OVERLAPPING]

>> I THINK THERE WERE FOUR ORIGINAL VARIANCES AND WHAT'S IT IN THOSE FOUR ORIGINAL VARIANCES? YOU JUST ASK FOR A WAIVER OF THE REQUIREMENTS UNTIL CONSTRUCTION TIME.

BUT WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS A REPORT OF THE FINDINGS OF THE COMMISSION, WHICH IS TRYING TO [OVERLAPPING].[BACKGROUND]

>> DOUG RACE FOR [INAUDIBLE]

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, DOUG.

>> WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE ASKED FOR A VARIANCE WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, A TREE SURVEY, A GEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION, AND TO EXTEND THE UTILITIES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED.

THOSE WERE THE FOUR VARIANCES THAT ARE INVOLVED.

THOSE GENERALLY OCCUR WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS LIKE A PAPER PLAT CUTTING PROPERTY INTO TWO PIECES.

>> THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT PURSUANT TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, YOUR AGENDA SAYS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT YOU'VE GOT NOTHING IN HERE TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT A VARIANCE.

SO YOU MAY WANT TO APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE BOARD.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFE TO CARRY THAT OVER TO THE FINAL PLAT.

>> LET'S APPROVE THE VARIANCES AT THAT TIME BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS AGAIN FOR THE FINAL PLAT, RESTATE MY MOTION.

>> YES SIR.

>> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>> MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF 12.390 ACRES.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY MAYOR JASON PEREZ.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> THEY'RE SUBJECT TO [OVERLAPPING]

>> SUBJECT TO THE ENGINEER'S COMMENTS.

>> YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, MR. JOHN?

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT PROVING ANY VARIANCES TONIGHT.

>> ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? BEING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, "AYE."

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY SIGN? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

>> ALL RIGHT. SIR.

>> WE'LL PROBABLY SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>> OWED AS WELL.

>> MICHAEL CAN EXPLAIN.

>> I'LL EXPLAIN, BUT THE PRELIMINARY PLANT HAS BEEN [OVERLAPPING].

>> ITEM NUMBER 16 CONSIDERATION ALREADY, DID THAT ONE.

NEVER MIND. NUMBER 16.

NUMBER 17, DISCUSSION WITH POSSIBLE ACTION OF A PROPOSED LAND PLAN FOR

[17. Discussion and possible action on a proposed land plan for 28.203 acres located north of Western Avenue and east of Heritage Oaks Drive.]

28.203 ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF WESTERN AVENUE AND EAST OF HERITAGE OAKS DRIVE. GO AHEAD, MR. ELLIS.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSED LAND PLAN.

HOWEVER, I WANTED TO JUST BRING CLARITY TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

THIS IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAN.

I WILL SAY THIS WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEPTEMBER 1.

UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE MEETING, BUT IT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE TAPE,

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AND THERE WAS A LITTLE CONFUSION IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS BEING ASKED.

THIS CONSIDERATION IS TO GET THE COUNCIL LETS SAY CONSENSUS ON WHETHER, OR NOT YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 1.

ALSO THERE IS A CONSIDERATION FOR THE AXIS IN QUESTION, AND IT'S SATISFYING, I THINK OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF THE DOUBLE AXIS OUT REQUIREMENT, MEANING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE BOULEVARD EFFECT ON THAT ENTRYWAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY LOCATED, OF COURSE, NORTH OF WESTERN AVENUE, EAST OF HERITAGE OAK DRIVE.

I THINK YOU MAY HAVE LOOKED AT THE ATTACHMENTS HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.

THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR 49 LOTS LAID OUT AS YOU SEE HERE, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION OF THIS EVENING HAS TO DO WITH THE ACCESS AND THE APPLICANT, I THINK CAN EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BETTER TO YOU THAN WHAT WAS RELAYED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.

I THINK IT WAS CONFUSED THAT IT WAS AN ACTUAL PRELIMINARY PLAN, WHICH IT IS NOT.

>> I DO HAVE TWO PERSONS HERE THAT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR EITHER, OH SORRY, THREE, SO I HAVE THREE THAT WANT TO SPEAK.

I THINK THE DEVELOPERS, MAYBE LANDOWNER AND THEN RESIDENTS.

I APOLOGIZE IF I DON'T SAY THE NAME RIGHT, BUT I'LL JUST LET YOU ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BUTCHER IT THEN DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN A FEW MINUTES TO SPEAK.

>> YOU WILL NOT BE THE FIRST ONE ON THAT [LAUGHTER] MAYOR COUNCIL, STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] I REPRESENTED A DEVELOPER HERE.

JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT, AS MR. OTIS SAID, WE HAVE STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT ABOUT SIX MONTHS BACK.

AS A BACKDROP TO THIS, THE ZONING TO THIS LAND IS SS7 POINT TWO, SO 7200 SQUARE FEET, OR HIGHER LOTS, WHICH GENERALLY MEANS 60 FOOT LOTS, OR MORE.

WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS, WE OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT THE AREA SURROUNDING THAT AND TRIED TO SEE WHAT FITS THAT GENERAL AREA.

HENCE WE MET, THE HOA TWICE IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, OR SO TO GET THEIR OPINION ABOUT HOW THEY CAN DEVELOP THIS TRACK.

OUR ORIGINAL PLAN CENTERED AROUND 80 FOOT LANDS, AGAIN, MUCH HIGHER THAN THE ZONING REQUIRES, BUT CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT COMMUNITY.

JUST ABOUT HALF A MILE NORTH OF THAT IS 80 PLUS 80 FOOT LOGS.

WE STARTED WITH THAT AS OUR FIRST PLAN.

ONCE WE MET THE HOA, T WAS PRETTY EVIDENT THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT WORK WITH THEM, AND WE LOOKED AT OUR NUMBERS, WE LOOKED AT OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

THEN REVISE THAT TO MEET WHAT IS THERE TODAY, WHICH IS A 100 FOOT LOGS.

WHAT YOU SEE TODAY ON THE PLAN AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SEE IT IS ACTUALLY A 100 FOOT LOTS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IS THEIR SURROUNDING THAT AREA.

SUBSEQUENTLY, WE ALSO HAD SOME FEEDBACK WITH STAFF AS WELL.

WE DO THIS FOR DISCUSSIONS AGAIN WITH THE STAFF TOO.

AS MR. OTIS ALREADY SAID, THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE IS THE SINGLE ENTRANCE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAND IS ONLY HAS ONE INGRESS-EGRESS POINT TO THIS 28 ACRES.

WE LOOKED AT SIX DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO FIND A SECONDARY EXIT, AND EACH ONE OF THEM HAD SOME DIFFICULTY.

WE WENT BEYOND THE OBVIOUS AND VERY INTO GREATER DETAIL TO EXPLORE ALL SIX OF THEM.

UNFORTUNATELY, NONE OF THEM WAS WORKABLE, SO WE ARE UNFORTUNATELY LOCKED WITH THE SINGLE ENTRANCE.

I THINK 23.1, THE ORDINANCE CLEARLY SAY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CLEARLY SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN 30 LOTS, A SINGLE ENTRANCE IS SUFFICIENT, BUT IF YOU ARE BETWEEN 30 AND 50 LOGS TWO ENTRANCE ARE REQUIRED, OR ONE WHICH IS A BOULEVARD INTERESTS.

THEN OVER 50 AGAIN, IS TWO REQUIREMENT IN ALL OF THIS, IF IT CANNOT MEET THAT THE VARIANCE.

THIS SPECIFIC SECOND PART, THE 30-50, IS WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON.

WE HAVE OUR PLAN CALLS FOR 49 LOTS, WHICH FITS INTO THE SECOND PLOT.

WE ARE TRYING TO QUALIFY THIS INTO A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE.

NOW, AGAIN, I BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF BACK BEFORE OUR TIME.

THE STAFF AT THAT TIME HAD WRITTEN

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A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT THAT QUALIFIES THIS ENTRANCE TO A BOULEVARD REQUIRE ORGAN THAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE, THERE WERE THREE CONDITIONS LAID OUT.

ONE, WAS THAT 48 FOOT PAVEMENT WITHOUT MEDIAN, SECOND, ROLLOVER CURVES, AND THIRD, NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG THAT 150-200 FEET ENTRANCE WAY.

WHAT ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WAS AGREED BY THE STAFF YEAR AND A HALF BACK, THAT QUALIFIES AS A BOULEVARD.

ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR THE COUNCIL NOW IS TO ENSURE THAT IS STILL CONTINUING AND THAT IS ENFORCED.

IF THAT IS THE CASE, WILL BE CONFORMING TO THE 49 LOGS BOULEVARD ENTRANCE, A 100 FOOT LOGS, AND THAT WE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT IS FOR LDC.

YOU MIGHT HEAR CERTAIN RESISTANCE ABOUT THIS PLAN.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THEM RIGHT UP FRONT.

THE FIRST THINGS YOU MIGHT EVEN WE HAVE HEARD WE EVER INCLUDING THE P&Z MEETING, WAS IT DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE AREA AROUND US, AS I ALREADY SAID, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH A 100 FOOT LOTS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE THAN WHAT WOULD BE WHAT IS THAT ALREADY TODAY.

WE ALREADY TAKEN THAT OFF THE PLATE.

SECOND, YOU MIGHT HEAR THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF HERITAGE TREES AND THAT WE MAY NOT COMPLY TO THAT.

AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM CLEARLY COMMUNICATING THIS.

THE THREE ORDINANCE IS THERE AND WE WILL COMPLY TO THE THREE AUDIENCES.

WHAT YOU SEE TODAY IN YOUR HAND IN THE PLAN IS A CONCEPT, CONCEPT LAYOUT.

IT IS NOT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR PRELIMINARY PLAN TO BE APPROVED.

THE LOT LAYOUT WILL MOVE AROUND BASED ON WHATEVER TREE SURVEY WE'RE ALREADY BEGAN THE PROCESS OF A TREE SURVEY.

THE TREE SURVEY WILL YIELD WHAT TREES ARE HERITAGE TREES, WHAT TREES ARE NOT BASED ON THAT.

WHATEVER PLANS CAN BE TO MOVE THE PLOTS AROUND, AND EVENTUALLY, IF IT CANNOT, THEN THERE'LL BE REMEDIAL ACTION WILL CONFORM TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ONCE WE HAVE THE TREE SURVEY PROCESS COMPLETED.

I STAND HERE AND SAY VERY UNEQUIVOCALLY, WE WILL COMPLY WITH THREE ORDINANCES.

THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALSO QUESTION.

THE THIRD THING YOU MIGHT HEAR IS A ONE SPECIFIC CASE OF A PROPERTY THAT IS DUE SOUTH OF THE SENTENCE WHEN MICHELLE, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THAT THE VIEW THAT I HAD SAID.

WELL, THERE IS ANOTHER VIEW THAT PDF BY SAMPLE [OVERLAPPING].

>>ONE MORE PLEASE. I ALREADY MENTIONED ALL OF THIS IN MY FEW MINUTES BACK I'LL ELABORATE THIS MORE.

THE HOUSE DUE SOUTH OF THE AREA MARKED IN WHITE, I GUESS, IS THE HOUSE THAT YOU MIGHT HEAR QUESTIONS ABOUT.

AS YOU SEE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE THE BLUE LINE, BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH OF THAT FAILED AREA IS ACTUALLY THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

RIGHT NOW, THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT RIGHT AWAY HAS GARAGE AND THAT TRUCK SITTING RIGHT IN THE DRIVEWAY.

THAT DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY EXTENDS LITTLE BIT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY TO MEET THE EXISTING PAVEMENT.

ONCE THE 48 FEET PAYMENT IS DONE AND THE SIDEWALK IS PUT TOGETHER, THAT PAVEMENT, THAT LITTLE EXTRA SPACE OF THE DRIVEWAY MIGHT BECOME.

WHAT WE HAVE SAID WHAT WE HAVE MET WHEN WE TALKED TO THE P&Z AS WELL.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE TWO CARS THAT CAN BE PARKED IN THE GARAGE, TWO OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE WHERE THE TRUCK IS OR NEXT TO THE TRUCK AND THE TWO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NOT EVEN THE ACTUAL SPACE, OR ACTUALLY PROPERTY OF THE HOMEOWNER, BUT WE ARE READY TO SEE THAT SPACE TO THE RIGHT OF THE TRUCK.

WE AT OUR EXPENSE, ARE READY TO EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY SO THERE CAN BE EXTRA SPACE AVAILABLE FOR THE HOME OWNERS TO PARK EXTRA CARDS AS WELL.

THAT AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL.

IF THERE WAS A WAY AROUND IT, WE WOULD HAVE WORKED THOUGH IT, BUT THIS IS ONLY OPTION WE ARE LEFT WITH.

HENCE, WE WANT TO PORTRAY THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS,

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WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE AVAILABILITY OF PARKING AT JAYSON TO WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS WE ARE HEARD AND WE HAVE TRIED TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THEM CATEGORICALLY.

ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IN FRONT OF YOU IS THAT AGAIN, I NOTICED WAS VERY CLEAR.

THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION.

YOU MIGHT HEAR P&Z DECLINE, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION, OR WE ACTUALLY VOTING FOR THE LAND PLAN.

NO, WE ARE NOT THEY'RE NOT ASKED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU.

ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT TIME AT MR. WALTERS, WE ASKED WE HAVE COME TO A CONCEPT REVIEWER WHICH INCLUDED THIS SPECIFIC POINT ABOUT MEETING THE BOULEVARD REQUIREMENT.

IF HE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THAT, THEN WE HAVE CLARITY TO WORK WITH 49 LOTS AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SIR.

>> THE NEXT ONE I HAVE IS MR. GUTIERREZ YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK, SIR?

>> HELLO, COUNSELOR. I'M ABEL GUTIERREZ, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, BOUGHT IT FROM PABLO PHARAOH, WHICH WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, AND WE DID A LOT OF TRANSACTIONS TOGETHER.

I'M HERE TO FULLY THE SUPPORT THIS PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY THROUGH THIS GENTLEMAN.

I THINK HE HAS EXACTLY WHAT ANGLETON IS LOOKING FOR, TO DO IT RIGHT AND RESPECT OF OTHERS.

I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND TONIGHT, AND THAT'S ALL I WISH. THANK YOU.

>> THEN, WE HAVE MS. CLARA DEN HOUSE.

>> HI, I`M CLARA DEN HOUSE, PRESIDENT OF THE HLA, HERE TO JUDGE SUBDIVISION.

I THINK HE MADE THE GOOD POINTS.

WE'VE MET TWICE, SO I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, THE SMALL AREA THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 16 FEET, THAT THEY'RE TAKING AWAY FROM BOTH HOMEOWNERS ON EACH SIDE.

THIS ENTRY, IT'S SIGNIFICANT TO THOSE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS.

AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HERITAGES OF THE SUBDIVISION, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO REPRESENT THOSE TWO HOMEOWNERS, AT LEAST, IF NOT, THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION, THAT THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.

ANOTHER THING, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE CREATING A SUBDIVISION INSIDE OF A SUBDIVISION.

THIS IS PART OF HERITAGE OAKS, AT SECTION A, YOU'RE BUILDING THIS HUGE WIDE ROAD REALLY, AND TO ME, I DON`T KNOW THAT THERE WAS EVER APPROVAL.

I THINK IT WAS THROWN OUT THERE AS AN IDEA SINCE THERE WASN'T A SECOND ENTRY TO WIDEN THAT ROAD, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVER APPROVED.

THAT WAS NEVER EVEN DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME WE WERE UP IN FRONT OF YOU TO PROTEST THIS PROPOSAL.

THIS WASN'T EVEN PART OF IT, THIS ENTRANCE PART.

BUT I'VE DRIVEN AROUND THE ENTIRE TOWN, I'VE MEASURED EVERY BOULEVARD ENTRY IN TOWN, AND THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A MEDIAN, WHICH I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT, IT`S 100 FEET OR 150 FEET, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A MEDIAN IN THERE, AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS QUALIFIES EVEN AS A BOULEVARD ENTRY, AND I JUST THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ON EACH SIDE.

I GUESS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE WERE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT, WHETHER THAT WAS PART OF THE DEAL OR THAT DISCUSSION OR NOT.

BUT JUST AS WE TELL THEM, MOST OF THE HERITAGE TREES ARE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BACK OF A LOT OF THE HOMES, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A UTILITY EASEMENT.

I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE ALL OF THOSE TREES ALONG THAT EASEMENT THERE, JUST THE WAY YOU CAN LOOK AT IT NOW AND SEE THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE TREES ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED, AND SO I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT THE TREES.

THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT WORKS WITH THAT PLAN.

I LOVE THE DEVELOPERS.

I REALLY WORKED WITH THIS, I LISTENED TO THIS.

IT'S JUST THAT WE DON'T WANT TO WIDEN THAT ROW.

WE WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS, THE WAY THE REST OF OUR SUBDIVISION IS, AND NOT CREATE A NEW SUBDIVISION INSIDE OF OUR SUBDIVISION.

I GUESS OUR PREFERENCE IS, WHICH IS WHAT WE TOLD HIM IN THE INITIAL MEETING, DON'T CUT DOWN ANY TREES, 30 HOMES OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT NUMBER AND SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THE HOMES AROUND, THEY DID GO UP ON THE LOT SIZE, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY WITH.

BUT [NOISE] 30 HOMES AND A SINGLE ENTRY IS WHAT WE BUILD BIGGER HOMES, I GUESS IS WHAT OUR SUGGESTION WAS TO THEM,

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JUST LIKE OUR OTHER SECTIONS AND THEY JUST WEREN'T WILLING TO GO THERE WITH US.

THEY HAVE ANOTHER IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT THAT'S STILL WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING FOR THAT SECTION, TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER SEVEN SECTIONS IN HERITAGE JABS.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? CAN ASK HER A QUESTION?

>> YES, CLAIRE, I'M SORRY.

>> ME?

YOU STATED THAT 16 FEET.

>> ON EACH SIDE.

>> FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY TOWARD THAT BLUE LINE IS 16 FEET?

>> YES. RIGHT NOW, THE HOMEOWNER HAS A LARGE TRUCK AND HE LITERALLY IS ALREADY INTO THE SIDEWALK WITH HIS BIG TRUCK, AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING AWAY 16 FEET.

HE'S GOING TO BE IN THE SIDEWALK, HE CAN ONLY PARK ONE CAR.

RIGHT NOW, I THINK HE CAN PROBABLY FIT TWO.

I DON'T THINK HE CAN EVEN FIT TWO BEHIND HIS TRUCK RIGHT NOW, MAYBE, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE TRUCK.

>> WHAT TYPE OF TRUCK IS THAT? IS THAT A DUMP TRUCK?

>> NO, HE HAS A TRAILER, FOR ONE THING, AND HE PARKS IT SOMETIMES, HE WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO PARK HIS TRUCK AND HIS TRAILER IN HIS DRIVEWAY.

IT WOULD BE ONE TRUCK, THAT WAS ALL HE WOULD GET.

>> DID HE SEE THAT PLAN WHERE THEY'RE ADDING TO HIS DRIVEWAY?

>> THEY MENTIONED THAT AFTER THE MEETING TO HIM.

>> I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF MAYBE THAT HELPED HIM.

>> I DON'T KNOW. I WISH HE WAS HERE.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

BUT I'M NOT SURE REALLY THE WAY THE ROAD IS.

IF IT REALLY QUALIFIES AS A BOULEVARD WITHOUT THE MEDIAN AND IT IS SMALLER THAN A LOT OF BOULEVARD ENTRIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

I GUESS THAT'S WHERE WE WERE CONFUSED ABOUT, DOES IT REQUIRE A VARIANCE THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO COME UP IN THE MEETING, WHETHER IT WAS A VARIANCE OR NOT? I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, DOES IT REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO CREATE THIS BOULEVARD ENTRY OR NOT? BECAUSE IT NEVER GOT APPROVED.

>> ALL RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DIGEST TOO.

>> BUILDING MORE THAN 30 HOMES BEHIND A SINGLE ENTRY, TO ME, THAT WILL REQUIRE A VARIANCE.

SO TO ME, THERE'S TWO VARIANCES ON THE TABLE HERE, THAT WERE NOT DISCUSSED AND APPROVED IN THE P&Z MEETING AT ALL.

I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THOSE TWO VARIANCES AND SAY YES OR NO ON THOSE.

>> I HAVE A FEELING OTIS IS ABOUT TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> [LAUGHTER]

>> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED, WE`RE NOT TAKING AWAY ANY RIGHT-OF-WAY RANK AREA NUMBER 1, AND THEN THE ONLY DEVIATION WOULD BE THE ACTUAL MEDIAN IN COOPERATION INTO THAT BOULEVARD, AND ALSO, IT'S BEEN TOLD TO ME THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND DOES CONCUR DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE MEDIAN BEING TAKEN OUT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> ALL THAT WAS PRESENTED AT P&Z?

>> FOR AUTOMATION, YES.

>> FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ON BOARD WITH THE WAY IT'S POSSIBLY PRESENTED THERE?

>> IN TERMS OF HOW IT WILL BE FINALLY CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT THAT MEDIAN STRIP IN THE MIDDLE.

NOW, THE WIDTH WOULD SATISFY THE FULL REQUIREMENT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW WITH THE WIDTH. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT IS NOT A VARIANCE, BUT THAT PORTION IN TERMS OF THE WIDTH REQUIREMENT.

>> WELL, THAT'S ALSO WHAT THEY HERE MODIFIED CURVES AND THAT'S YOUR STANDARD CURVE, [OVERLAPPING].

>> EXACTLY WHAT THE ROLE OF SUGGESTION IN ALL OF THAT, THAT WOULD CORRECT THAT.

WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE VARIANCE? I`M SORRY.

>> WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> WE'RE BACK TO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR AGENDA FOR THE P&Z MEETING AND IT SAYS THAT, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T THERE.

I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE THAT DISCLOSURE.

I WASN'T THERE EITHER.

BUT THE AGENDA ITEM AT THE P&Z MEETING WAS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION AND VARIANCES.

SO THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE NOW, TODAY WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

NOW WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROPOSED LAND PLAN.

>> EXACTLY. I WILL SAY THAT I CLARIFIED IT WHEN WE POSTED THE AGENDA DUE TO THE FACT THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED PRELIMINARY PLAN LAYOUT.

IT WASN'T PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND THAT WAS MY CORRECTION.

BUT HOW I GOT ADVERTISED ON THE AGENDA PREVIOUSLY, CORRECT, I WASN'T THERE AND I WASN'T A PART OF THAT.

>> I THINK HENCE WAS THE CONFUSION.

>> THERE WAS A PLAT THOUGH, IN THE P&Z MEETING. WAS THERE?

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>> THIS SAME ATTACHMENT WAS ATTACHED.

>> IT WAS JUST A PLAN OF [INAUDIBLE].

>> IF I MAY, IF I CAN CONVINCE YOU.

>> I'M GOING MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT GET DENIED AND GO BACK TO P&Z BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

I COULD BE WRONG AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME.

I'M ALL EARS.

BUT JUST FROM THE OPEN MEETINGS STANDPOINT, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE MEETING AT P&Z ON SEPTEMBER 1ST.

WHATEVER GOES TO P&Z FOR CONSIDERATION HAS TO COME HERE.

IF WHAT HAS COME HERE IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS ON THE AGENDA P&Z THAT WE GOT TO START ALL OVER.

I COULD BE CONFUSED BECAUSE I WASN'T AT THE SEPTEMBER 1ST MEETING AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE MINUTE, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE AGENDA.

IT COULD BE THAT THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA AND THEN THE MINUTES REFLECT THAT IT WAS PULLED OFF. DO YOU KNOW?

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE SAME ATTACHMENTS WERE CONSIDERED.

I JUST THINK THAT THE DIRECT AT THE TIME PRESENTED IT AS THOUGH IT WERE A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

MR. WAYNE, WHO REPRESENTED THE DEPARTMENT, I THINK AT THE TIME, PRESENTED IT AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT BEFORE THE POINT OF CONDITION.

>> [OVERLAPPING].

>> NO, I'M GOING TO STICK WITH MY RECOMMENDATION [LAUGHTER] THAT, THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT WENT TO P&Z [NOISE] VERSUS, SO YOU CAN EITHER, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVING.

>> I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE PROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY PRESENTED TO US.

THIS WAS JUST A DISCUSSION THAT-

>> I PRESENTED IT AS A DISCUSSION. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I JUST THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK.

>> DOES THAT MEAN THAT P&Z EVERYTHING WAS DENIED?

>> THEY DENIED THAT PLAN BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION, WAYNE WAS THERE.

WAYNE NEWMAN PRESENTED IT.

AND IT WAS PRESENTED AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT AT THE TIME.

[BACKGROUND] THE CLARIFICATION OCCURRED BECAUSE I'VE MET WITH THE APPLICANT WHO WAS CONCERNED THAT THEIR REQUESTS GOT CONFUSED AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LOTS.

WE HAVE AT THE TIME AND THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION.

SO IF YOU SAW THE RECORD.

>> RIGHT. SO THE AGENDA ITEM SAYS THAT THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM.

IS IT YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS IS NO LONGER AN ACTION ITEM, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM?

>> IT'S A DISCUSSION TO GET CONSENSUS ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

THEY WILL PRESENT THAT BACK TO THE PROCESS FORMERLY AS A PRELIMINARY PLAN.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE DOING HARM BY GIVING HIM CONSENSUS THIS EVENING ON THE CONCEPT.

>> I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT BRIEFLY.

>> AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE NOT ASKING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL RIGHT NOW.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT IN THE BOLLYWOOD SECTION ABOUT THE MEDIAN, WHICH IS THE ONLY VARIANCE THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

AS PRESENTED BY THE STAFF.

IF YOU LOOK [NOISE] AT PAGE TWO OF THE PACKAGE, IT CLEARLY SAYS THOSE THREE CONDITIONS.

THOSE THREE CONDITIONS IS ALL WE ARE CONFORMING TO.

ALL WE'RE ASKING FROM THE COUNCIL IS IF WE CONFORM TO THIS RULER 49-LOT DEVELOPMENT.

CAN WE GO AHEAD WITH THE PLANNING OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THAT? IF THESE THREE CONDITIONS ARE NOT OKAY TO GO FORWARD WITH, 49-LOT DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT WORK FOR US.

THE QUESTION TO YOUR QUESTION, THE ANSWER THAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THE COUNCIL IS THAT IF WE CAN FORM THESE THREE REQUIREMENTS, ARE WE OKAY TO MEET THE 49-LOT REQUIREMENT? THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'LL COME BACK WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAT INPUT.

BUT BASED ON THESE THREE CONDITIONS, IF WE CONFORM TO THESE THREE CONDITIONS, ARE WE OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD?

>> WELL, THAT'S ACTION.

WE'VE ALREADY STATED THAT THIS IS-

>> SO IT'S FEEDBACK. [OVERLAPPING].

>> I CAN GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT WE WOULD DO.

>> CAN YOU TAKE A VOTE?

>> EXACTLY.

>> BECAUSE-

>> YOU CAN SAY YOU LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT [OVERLAPPING].

>> I'LL SAY THIS. THANK YOU FOR A 100 FOOT LOTS.

>> OUT OF THE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, I'VE LOST COUNT DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE COME TO THIS FOR THIS PLOT OF LAND.

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DONE THAT. THANK YOU.

THIS SETUP, IN MY EYES IS NOT VERY DIFFERENT THAN HERITAGE OAKS, WHICH IS RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HERITAGE OAKS.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ENTRANCE.

IN MY EYES, IF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES HAVE GIVEN A VERBAL OKAY WITH IT.

I KNOW OUR LDC THAT 30 HOMES ROLE WAS ADOPTED FROM A DIFFERENT CITY,

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WAS NOT WRITTEN UP BY US, AS WAS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE GONE ALONG WITH ARE GIVEN FOR VARIANCES TO ON THIS COUNCIL, AND I KNOW WE DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE VARIANCES, BUT WE DO GIVE THEM ON OCCASION.

THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> TO ENTER AND EXIT THIS ENTIRE SUBDIVISION HERITAGE OAKS.

YOU COME IN OFF OF WESTERN AVENUE, YOU COME IN ON ONE LANE AND EXIT ON TWO, THAT'S THE BOULEVARD ENTRANCE AND EXIT FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION.

YOU EXIT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF ANCHOR ROAD IS ONE LANE EACH WAY.

IT'S WIDE, BUT IT'S ONE LANE EACH WAY.

SO FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TO BE ACCESSED, ACTUALLY BY ROADWAYS THAT ARE LESSER THAN THIS.

THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S FLYING IN THE FACE OF REQUIRING 48 FEET OF PAVEMENT HERE TO GET INTO THIS POTENTIAL 49-LOTS WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN ONE LANE OFF OF WESTERN AVENUE TO ACCESS THE ENTIRE SUBDIVISION.

THEN INVITED OF INDIAN TARGETED DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD THINK YOU COULD PUT THE SAME THING OFF OF WESTERN AVENUE RIGHT HERE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET THERE.

APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS BECAUSE THIS GUY HAS GOT TO GET OUT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY AND GO TO TOWN.

[LAUGHTER] SO IT DIDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE OVER A HUMP.

I'M JUST COMPARING THIS TO WHAT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO PASS THROUGH TO GET TO AND FROM HOME.

>> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BOTH OF YOU ALL PRESENTED VERY WELL.

I TOTALLY GET THE POINT OF THE AWKWARDNESS OF HAVING ENTRANCE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.

I DO ECHO MARK'S POINT. I SEE MARK'S POINT.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT ABOUT, BASICALLY THE OPPOSITE ENDS HERITAGE COHORT.

BUT FOR THIS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENTER INTO THE SUBDIVISION TO ACCESS THIS ADDITIONAL SUBDIVISION.

>> WELL, WHAT ELSE IS IT GOING TO BE?

>> I KNOW THAT'S MY POINT [LAUGHTER].

WELL, WAS GOING TO BE IS ON THE OTHER HAND, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, THEN DO WE EVER ALLOW IT TO BE DEVELOPED BASICALLY AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THE ONLY EXCEPTION WOULD BE, I GUESS WOULD SURELY FOLLOW THE NO VARIANCE WHICH MAY NOT WORK FOR YOU FINANCIALLY, WHICH IS 30-LOTS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME TO US, YOU'RE IN.

THEY CAN PROTEST ALL THEY WANT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT PASSES.

BUT THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE ISSUE.

THIS PROPERTY IS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THAT SINGLE ISSUE, THE ISSUE OF THE ENTRANCE WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION, IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

HE SAYS THEY'VE EXPLORED SIX OTHER OPTIONS.

I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR.

I ASSUME HE'S MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS FOR ENTRANCE AND EXIT.

THAT'S JUST ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE ISSUE.

TO ECHO MARK'S POINT, I APPRECIATE THE 100 FOOT BECAUSE IT IS AT LEAST MORE IN LINE WITH HERITAGE OAKS.

I AGREE WITH CECIL. CECIL MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ENTRANCE, THE MAIN TWO ARTERIES INTO THE SUBDIVISION.

BUT TO MY POINT IS GOING TO BE THIS, HERITAGE OAKS IS A VERY NICE SUBDIVISION.

I THINK IT RANKS UP THERE WITH ANYTHING I'VE SEEN IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

I'M NOT SAYING IT DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

EVERYBODY HAS TO PLAY BY THE SAME RULES.

BUT ALSO WANT US TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED THERE, AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT EFFORTS

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HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO ESTABLISH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN ITS PRESENT CONFIGURATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE FINANCE WORKS FOR YOU.

IT MAKES IT A REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION BECAUSE I REALLY SEE SOMEBODY WORKING HARD TO MAKE IT WORK.

BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEM PROTECTING THEIR INTERESTS, SO WE [NOISE] CAN RESPECT THAT AS WELL.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE IS A ROADMAP TO GET THIS DONE.

RIGHT NOW THE WAY OUR PRESENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S 30 AND YOU JUST GET IT AND YOU CAN'T SAY NO.

>> CAN I ADDRESS YOU, SIR?

>> I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT.

AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP WITH HO AS WELL.

WE HAVE TRY TO REACH OUT THE BEST WE COULD.

IF THERE WASN'T AN ANSWER AVAILABLE THAT COULD DO OTHER THAN 30-LOT, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT.

AT 30-LOT GIVEN THE ECONOMIC SITUATION THAT WE ARE AND EVERYTHING AROUND IT, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOU GUYS ARE ABSOLUTELY SMART PEOPLE, AT 30-LOTS THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT ME TALKING, AND IF YOU CAN PUT ANYBODY ELSE HERE AND 30-LOTS WILL NOT MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN.

HENCE THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS LOT OR NOT? IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THEN I HAVE TO GO, AND THIS IS THE BEST-CASE EVER, 49-LOTS AT A 100 FOOT FOR EVERYTHING, THEY ONLY HAVE A MEDIAN OF 200 FEET OR SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMPLYING.

THAT'S ONLY THING. IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 3, THE CITY FIRE MARSHAL, THE CITY ENGINEER, THEY'RE ALREADY BLASTED.

WE'RE ALL SAYING IF YOU DO THAT, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD?

>> MR. MAYOR, CAN I JUST ASK, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FEEDBACK SESSION.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ARGUING BACK AND FORTH.

>> WELL, I'VE TRIED TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK.

>> NO, I'M JUST SAYING, THESE COUNTER POINTING YOU.

>> SURE. FAIR ENOUGH.

>> IT'S NOT ALLOWING YOU TO GIVE THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU SHOULD BE GIVING.

>> I'VE MADE MY CASE.

IF IT'S PRESENTED TO US, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE.

WE HAVE TO MAKE HAND VOTES ALL TIME, NO LOAD ON IT.

>> THERE HAS TO BE A HAPPY MEDIUM THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE PERCEPTION OF TAKING SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY. THERE HAS TO BE.

IF THIS WAS ANYONE ELSE'S, WE EVEN SPOKE ABOUT THIS, PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS OVER ROBIN HOOD, NORTHRIDGE, EVERYTHING.

IT WAS A PERCEIVED TAKING AWAY.

>> BUT IS IT REALLY TAKING AWAY, IF IT'S READY RIGHT OF WAY? THAT'S THE QUESTION.

IN MY MIND, I'S RIGHT OF WAY, SO IT'S NOT THEIRS TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT LOOKS LIKE IT, BUT BY PLOTTING HIM BY SURVEY, THAT IS A RIGHT OF WAY, JUST LIKE IT IS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

THERE'S A RIGHT OF AWAY IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND THE STREET, THEY GET TAKEN. I'M TORN TOO.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IF WE COULD REWIND THE CLOCK AND THIS NEVER GOT SOLD, WHAT WILL WE BE DOING TODAY? HOW WOULD THIS BE DEVELOP IN THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH THE CURRENT OTHER DEVELOPERS, WHAT WOULD THIS TURN INTO? COULD THEY FEASIBLY DO 30. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT HOW WOULD THEY DEVELOP SECTION 8 IF IT WAS UNDER THE OLD FOLKS THAT HAD THE PROPERTY WARFARE.

WOULD WE BE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW? THAT'S WHAT I'M TORN WITH IS IF WE ROLL BACK THE CLOCK, WOULD WE BE DOING THIS EXACT SAME THING TO THAT DEVELOPER? I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU.

BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, 30-FOOT LOTS, YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.

I HAVEN'T VISITED WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD IT.

COULD HE MAKE 30 PLOTS OUT OF IT AND MAKE IT PROFITABLE? I DON'T KNOW. BUT WOULD WE BE HAVING THE EXACT SAME CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW? THAT'S WHY I'M TORN WITH IS TRYING TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION, BUT I'M ALSO TRYING TO PUT SHOES ON BOTH SIDES.

IF I CAN ROLL BACK THE CLOCK.

TRAVIS MAKES GOOD POINT, CECIL MAKES GOOD POINT, MARK MAKES A GOOD POINT.

WHERE DO WE ACTUALLY GO FROM HERE? I UNDERSTAND FROM TALKING TO THE CURRENT OWNER, THIS IS HIS RETIREMENT.

THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO PUSH HIM OVER TO TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PRICE IS.

I JUST KNOW IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR HIS FUTURE, AND SO WE ALL WANT THAT.

WE'RE ALL HERE, YOUR DEVELOPER, THAT'S THEIR FUTURE DOING THESE TYPE OF BUSINESS DEALINGS.

HOW AM I GOOD CONSCIOUS? I CAN TELL THAT PERSON.

NEVER WILL YOU EVER SELL THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE STUCK WITH IT TILL YOU MAY PUT YOU 10 FEET IN THE GRAVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING WITH IT.

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IT'S HARD TO SEPARATE. THIS MAKES COMMENT, WE MAKE A HARD DECISION, WE GOT TO GO TO BED WITH IT.

WE GOT TO SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AT THE GROCERY STORE AT LA CASONA, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT US AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU'RE THE ONE.

BUT WE HAVE TO AT SOME POINT MAKING DECISION BECAUSE YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, HE NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD, LET THE RESIDENTS OF HERITAGE OAKS UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SOMEHOW WE GOT TO GET PAST THIS IMPASSE.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR OVER 2-3 YEARS.

WE GOT TO GET TO SOME POINT.

IS ALL I GOT TO SAY.

>> YOU'RE SAYING ACTION TONIGHT.

YOU'RE SAYING FEEDBACK. WHERE DO WE NEED TO GO?

>> NO ACTION [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO ACTION. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING.

>> WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO GIVE THEM FEEDBACK, AND IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION, IT'S JUST TELL ME YOUR OPINION SO HE CAN DECIDE WHETHER HE WANTS TO COME BACK OR NOT BASED ON WHAT Y'ALL TELL HIM.

>> GET UP.

>> GO AHEAD, JOHN.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT IS HARD TO TELL PEOPLE NO AND I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING PRETTY GOOD AT IT, BUT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT MR. COUNCILMAN BOOTH MAKES GOOD POINTS ON THE VARIANCES OF THE WIDTH OF THAT STREET.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THAT HOMEOWNER ON IF THAT ADDITION TO THAT DRIVEWAY HELPS HIM.

MR. MAYOR, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

NO ONE EVER WANTS TO HEAR, WE NEED THIS RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT IT IS THERE FOR A REASON.

BUT I DON'T EVEN THINK IT NEEDS TO GET TO THAT LEVEL BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHAT COUNCILMAN BOOTH IS ALSO SAYING IS TRUE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THAT WIDE TO GET THERE.

BUT I GUESS MY POINT AND MY FEEDBACK TO YOU IS BEFORE I CAN SAY YES OR NO ON SOMETHING, I NEED TO SEE A REAL PLAN AFTER THE TREE ANALYSIS.

HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT WORK BECAUSE I SEE IT'S LINED UP LIKE HERITAGE OAK IS WITH THE RETENTION IN THE MIDDLE AND THE BLOCKS AROUND IT, BUT YOU AND I PROBABLY BOTH KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT HOW THE TREES FALL, SO IT'D BE NICE LET'S KNOW WHAT CAN REALISTICALLY BE DONE OUT THERE.

I WANT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE ON THAT BEFORE I COULD SAY YES OR NO, BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYONE UP HERE.

EVERYONE MADE GOOD POINTS.

BOTH OF Y'ALL MAKE GOOD POINTS.

IT'S REALLY COMING DOWN TO, WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS LOT WORK AND HAS GONE UP TO 100 FOOT LOT, 49 LOTS IS HIGHER THAN 30 AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE, BUT IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER THAN WHERE IT WAS.

TO ME, IT SEEMS WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICS AROUND WHAT DOES THIS OWNER THINK WITH THE CHANGE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND MAYBE SHORTEN IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TREES, UNDERSTANDING WHERE EVERYTHING FALLS. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

>> I ECHO THAT I DID WRITE THIS DOWN.

I AM INTERESTED IN THE TREE SITUATION BECAUSE IT IS HERITAGE OAKS, IT'S LITERALLY THE NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THEY'VE WORKED IN HARDER.

THEY'VE WORKED REALLY HARD OVER 20 OR WHATEVER 30 YEARS TO ESTABLISH AND KEEP THOSE OAKS THAT ARE CENTRAL PART OF THAT LIVING STYLE, AND SO I THINK THAT IS RELEVANT, I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S MORE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN USE WITH A REAL PLAN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE WILLING TO INVEST IN THAT BUT IT'S [OVERLAPPING]

>> WE ARE IN A CATCH-22 OURSELVES WITH THAT, BUT WE FIND OURSELVES, IF THIS WASN'T CLEAR CUT, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PLAN.

BUT NOW WHAT I'M HEARING, I GOT TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO COME BACK AND I MIGHT STILL NOT GET THE PLAN APPROVED.

>> WELL, THAT MAY BE TRUE.

THAT'S MAYBE A CHOICE YOU HAVE TO MAKE.

I THINK I SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAT HERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

I THINK WE ALL RESPECT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A PERSON THAT'S BEEN FLEXIBLE AND WILLING TO WORK AND THAT DOES GO INTO YOUR ADVANTAGE IN MY OPINION.

>> JUST TO MAYBE HELP PARAPHRASE, I THINK WHAT THE COUNCIL SAYING IS THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.

>> I JUST WANT TO SEE SPECIFICS AND CLEARING UP THIS ISSUE HERE. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

>> ALSO GOING THROUGH P&Z ACHE AND PRESENTING THEM WITH THIS TO ME BECAUSE I WATCHED THE P&Z MEETING AND THIS SEEMS NEW.

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I DON'T THINK THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THEM, AND THEY ARE ONE OF OUR COUNSELING BOARDS, SO HAVING THEIR INPUT ON THIS WITH NEW INFORMATION, AND I THINK THE PLOT PLAN WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT TOO.

WAS IT SMALLER LOTS WITH THE PLOT PLAN?

>> NO [OVERLAPPING] SAME PACKAGE AS YOU HAVE IS WHAT WAS THERE THROUGH THIS PART.

>> I DON'T THINK THIS DRAWING.

>> THIS DRAWING IS NEW [OVERLAPPING] THIS DRAWING WAS JUST CREATE THE VERBAL DESCRIPTION OF THEM WAS IN THERE, BUT WE WANTED TO PICTORIALLY DISPLAYED SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT AND THE FACT THAT TO YOUR POINT, THE EXTRA DRIVEWAY THAT YOU SEE ADDED ONTO THE SIDE OF THAT IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT PICTORIALLY DISPLAYED HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME. I GIVE YOU THAT.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> AGAIN, THE REASON WE'RE PUTTING IT UP HERE IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO WORK WITH HIM.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DRIVEWAY THAT HE'S LOSING.

AGAIN, IT WAS HIS OR NOT.

THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT, HE IS LOSING.

HOW DO WE MAKE UP FOR THAT? THERE'S A PICTURE ACTUALLY NEXT TO IT IF YOU CAN GO TO THIS, SIR. [OVERLAPPING]

>> SLIDE ONE MORE? THERE YOU GO.

>> AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT BOTH SIDES JUST TO BE CLEAR.

WE DIDN'T COME TO YOU JUST IN HASTE.

WE LOOKED AT BOTH SIDES AND WE SAW THIS SIDE CLEARLY THERE IS ROOM MORE THAN TEN FEET THAT WE CAN BUILD THAT EXTRA DRIVEWAY BEFORE WE HIT THE TREE.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING.

THE OTHER SIDE WE COULD NOT HAVE PROPOSED.

AGAIN, WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK TO MAKE THIS AS MUCH PALATABLE TO HIM AS POSSIBLE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN TRYING TO FIND A WORKABLE SOLUTION [OVERLAPPING].

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MOVING ON. ITEM NUMBER 18,

[18. Discussion and possible action on a variance request to use septic systems on a propose 2 lot subdivision located on the south side of Kiber Road, just west of Sims Drive.]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A VARIANCE REQUEST TO USE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ON A PROPOSED TO LOTS OF DIVISION LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KHYBER ROAD, JUST WEST OF THE SIMS DRIVE. KYLE?

>> GOOD EVENING. I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS HERE [OVERLAPPING].

YOU GOT SOUTH THE KHYBER JUST WEST OF SIMS PROPOSING A TWO LINE.

IT JUST BINDS TWO LOTS.

HE IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO USE SEPTIC ON THE TWO LOTS.

THE TWO MAIN REASONS WOULD BE OVER ACROSS AT SIMS THERE SPEAKING WITH JEFF HECTOR, THAT LINE IS REAL SHALLOW AND THEY HAD ISSUES IN THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE.

THAT NEW HOUSE ON THAT BIG PROPERTY.

I KNOW THEY HAD TO USE A GRINDER PUMP AND ALL BUT SPEAKING WITH THEM, IT'S WAY TOO SHALLOW.

THEN GOING DOWN TO KHYBER AND DOWNING IS COUNTY PROPERTY AND OF COURSE THE EXPENSE IS HUGE.

THAT'S WHY HE IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO USE SEPTIC ON THE TWO LOTS.

>> IS IT SHALLOW?

>> TWO FEET? I THINK DEPTH?

>> TWO, YEAH. IT WAS PLEAD UNANIMOUS AT P&Z, THE VOTE.

>> THANK YOU. ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

DO WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT HAVE SEPTIC?

>> YES, SIR. WE DO.

>> CURRENTLY, THERE'S A RULE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT, YOU HAVE TO USE OUR CITY SERVICES, BUT IT'S IN THE RULE SAY ANY REASONS WHY THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OFF OUR SYSTEM AND GO TO THEIR OWN.

IS IT WRITTEN SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS, YOU CAN FOR VARIOUS REASONS OR THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE [OVERLAPPING]?

>> IN THE LDC.

FORGET EXACTLY HOW IT READS.

IT GIVES BASICALLY LIKE A HARDSHIP VARIANCE TO REQUEST FOR REASONS LIKE THAT.

THE ROW SHADOW LINE ACROSS THE STREET AT SIMS AND THEN COUNTY PROPERTY GOING TO THE INTERSECTION.

YOU GET EASEMENTS AND IS NOT.

THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY GET THERE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN GET ANYWHERE WITH ENOUGH MONEY.

IT IS A HARDSHIP ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.

THE TWO LOTS ARE PLENTY BIG TO MEET THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS.

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THEY REQUIRE CERTAIN SIZES LOT FOR SEPTIC, WHICH THAT'S [OVERLAPPING]

>> A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE FOR THE TANK.

MY WORRY WAS IS WE APPROVE AND ALSO PEOPLE GO, OH, WE CAN GET OUR OWN SEPTIC AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RUSH OF PEOPLE COMING UP HERE WANTING TO GET OFF THE CIVIL SERVICE.

>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION, WAS THE SIZE OF THE LOT THAT COULD FIT THIS APPROPRIATELY?

>> I THINK THE TWO LOTS PER MEMBER.

YEAH. IT'S SAYS 20 AND THEY'RE EVEN BIGGER THAN THAT.

>> EXCUSE ME, KYLE. ISN'T THIS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS SUBJECT TO THE 2011 ORDINANCE, THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE?

>> I THINK SO.

>> WALTER, BEFORE HE LEFT HE REACHED OUT TO ME, AND THIS PROPERTY WAS SUBJECT TO A 2011 ORDINANCE THAT HAD A REQUIREMENT IN THERE THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET.

>> BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET AND WE COULD NOT FIND THAT THAT ORDINANCE WAS EVER REPEALED.

I GAVE HIM THE OPINION THAT YES, THIS IS ACTUALLY A SITUATION THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T DO. THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HELP.

>> IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING ABOUT VARIANCES AND OTHER THINGS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM PEOPLE LOOKING AT OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SAYING, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THERE WAS AN ANNEXATION ORDINANCE A HIGH REQUIREMENT THAT IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENT, I THINK IT WAS FOR A GRINDER, THAT IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE EXORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE.

IT JUST WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING FEASIBLE THAT HE COULD DO.

BASED ON THAT, I SENT OUT AN EMAIL AND SAID, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR VARIANCE.

>> DO WE PERMIT INSPECT AND HAVE TO CHECK THEM EVERY SO? I MEAN, IS THERE A PROCESS FOR THAT ONCE IT GOES IN, IT'S JUST THERE.

>> THERE ARE RULES FOR THAT.

YOU GOT TO HAVE A LICENSE GOT TO COME OUT AND CHECK IT.

THEY'LL>> HAVE TO LIKE A COUPLE BASICALLY, WATERWHEEL IS STILL IN THE CITY.

COMMERCIALLY, THEY HAVE THEM CHECKED.

I THINK IT'S MONTHLY AND TURN IT IN.

THAT WAS THE SAME THING.

I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A HOUSE ON EACH LOT.

>> MR. MAYOR, MOVE WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE TO USE A SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THE PROPOSED TWO LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KHYBER ROAD IN THE WEST OF SIMS DRIVE.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM, RIGHT SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I DO WANT TO ASK, IS THIS RE-PLAT GOING TO COME TO US AT ANOTHER TIME OR SOMETHING?

>> YES. [INAUDIBLE] LAWSON'S WORKING ON IT.

>> BECAUSE WE WON'T DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT.

I JUST SAW THAT BECAUSE I HAVE I HAVE A CONCERN.

BUT IT'S DOWN THE ROAD.

>> YES, YOU WILL SEE IT.

IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE TINY MAKING THAT GUY GIVE UP 30 FEET OF LAND NOW IN A COUNTY MAY NEVER PUT THAT ROAD THROUGH THERE.

>> IF YOU GOT A MICROPHONE, JUST STORE IT FOR RECORD.

>> WE SHOULDN'T DO TALK ABOUT IT

>> YES, SIR. I DID TALK WITH JORGE AT THE COUNTY.

RIGHT NOW THEY JUST HAVE A PROPOSED RIGHT-OF-WAY TAKING.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE WITH THIS PLAN, I BELIEVE.

>> MIKE TO COUNTY COME TO THERE AND BUY THAT [INAUDIBLE].

>> CORRECT. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT AT THE MOMENT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

[19. Discussion and possible action on a resolution extending the disaster declaration signed by the Mayor on March 17, 2020, through November 7, 2022; repealing conflicting ordinances and resolutions; including a severability clause; and establishing an effective date. ]

NUMBER 19, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RESOLUTION EXTENDING THE DISASTER DECLARATION SIGNED BY THE MAYOR ON MARCH 17TH, 2020 THROUGH NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022, REPEALING CONFLICTING ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS INCLUDING A SEPARABILITY CLAUSE AND ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

GO AHEAD, MS. PATTY.

>> NORMALLY THIS WOULD COME TO YOU FROM GLEN LAMONT, BUT HE'S OUT OF TOWN ON BUSINESS, SO HE ASKED ME TO STAND IN.

GOVERNOR ALBERT RECENTLY ISSUED A FORMAL NOTICE THAT HE IS EXTENDING THIS DECLARATION, AND SO WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY DO THE SAME.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY WE STILL DO THIS.

[OVERLAPPING] SO IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, THE STATE OF TEXAS STILL KEEPS RENEWING OR HAS CERTAINLY RENEWED THE DISASTER DECLARATION.

THINGS LIKE RPA AND OTHER MONEYS ARE TIED TO THE DISASTER DECLARATIONS AND THOSE THINGS.

[04:10:06]

AND KNOWING THAT THE STATE HAS A SURPLUS OF MONEY, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND.

>> TWENTY EIGHT BILLION WITH A B?

>> YES. AS LONG AS MY RECOMMENDATION, AS LONG AS THE STATE CONTINUES TO HAVE THE DECLARATION DISASTER, WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE SAME.

THERE'S NO COST TO US, THERE'S NO HARM, NO FOUL.

>> ADD ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER.

>> IF THERE'S OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE TIED TO HAVING A DEBT, SUCH A DECLARATION, IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST, CONTINUE.

>> WHAT EXTRA AUTHORITY DOES THE MAYOR HAVE? BECAUSE THE DISASTER DECLARATION.

>> I MEAN, I GET DEFER TO OUR ATTORNEY, BUT HE CAN MAKE EMERGENCY DECISIONS.

>> WITHOUT COUNSEL OR WITHOUT?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE THAT.

>> I DON'T EITHER. [LAUGHTER]

>> BUT IT HAS TO APPLY TO THE DISASTER.

>> [OVERLAPPING] HE CAN NAME HIMSELF AMBASSADOR TO BELIZE.

>> IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY, SIR.

>> OR NATURAL DISASTERS.

>> THERE'S NO QUARANTINING IN BELIZE.

>> IT MAY BE MENTAL HEALTH.

>> IT'S GOOD. IT'S GOOD QUESTION, TRAVIS. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> NO WAY.

>> I'M NOT TRYING TO BE SMART.

>> NO, NO. YOU'RE GOOD.

>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY WE'RE CONTINUING ON THIS BEHAVIOR.

I KNOW BEHAVIOR IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THIS PATH, AND WHAT BENEFITS IT PROVIDES TO US VERSUS WHAT CONCERNS WE SHOULD HAVE. I WANT TO KNOW.

>> FUNDING.

>> IT'S ATTACHED TO FUNDING.

>> I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY REASON.

>> WHAT CONCERNS DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, TRAVIS?

>> I ALWAYS WANTED TO KNOW IF AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT JASON, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS SOME EXTRA POWER THAT WOULD NORMALLY NOT BE INTERESTED UPON THEM.

MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE PHILOSOPHICAL IDEA IN MY MIND.

>> BUT IT'S LIKE AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION.

>> YOU CAN HAVE EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS THAT STATE THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT OURS STATES.

>> THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED TO ME IS THAT IT'S LIMITED TO DISASTER OR TIED TO DISASTER.

IN WHICH CASE, I AM MORE COMFORTABLE.

BUT IF NO OFFENSE TO JASON OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO SAT IN THAT CHAIR, IF JASON WAS UNAVAILABLE AND HAD TO BE MAYOR FOR TEAM.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT WORKS IF THAT HAD BEEN APPLIED.

>> WOULD THAT BE JOHN?

>> SAME WITHHOLD ALL THE SAME FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT I WOULD STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, IT'S NOT A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT POWER OR SOMEHOW I PASS THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGER OR WHATEVER ELSE.

>> IT WOULD BE LIKE JUST FOR EXAMPLE, DURING THE STORM HURRICANE.

WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING, SITE OF DECLARATION AND NOW MR. LOOPY SAYS, I NEED TWO GENERATORS AND XYZ FOR THE CITY TO SUPPORT THIS DISASTER.

WE'D HAVE TO WEAR IT'S PAST PURCHASING POWERS, THEN THE AMERICAN OBVIOUSLY GO BUY IT, AND THEN IT'S ALL GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE MY POWERS WOULD COME IN.

WE HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE PURCHASING THING.

I'D WAIT FOR A MEETING TO SPEND THE MONEY. WE JUST GO AND DO IT.

>> WELL, AND THE OTHER THING IS IT ACTIVATES EMERGENCY PLAN.

I MEAN, IT DOESN'T GIVE ANYBODY MORE POWERS, BUT ONCE YOU'RE UNDER THAT DECLARATION, IT ACTIVATES AN EMERGENCY PLAN.

IF SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF PUBLIC HEALTH ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN WHERE YOUR EMERGENCY PLAN WAS INFLUENCED BY THE COUNTY OR THE STATE, IT'S ALREADY ACTIVATED, IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING.

BASICALLY THEY SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO DO THIS.

SO IT'S IMPLEMENTATION IS READY, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE THE MAYOR ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY NO, NOT THIS PARTICULAR.

>> AND IT STRUCK HER RELATED TO COVID.

>> LESS, MY ISSUE.

>> IF A HURRICANE HAPPENED AND WE DIDN'T DECLARE A DISASTER, YOU COULDN'T GO GET GENERATORS FOR THE HURRICANE BECAUSE THERE IS NO DIRECT TIE TO COVID.

>> THAT WAS MY ONLY ISSUE.

I JUST THINK IT'S THE OPTICS OF WE CONTINUE TO PUSH THIS AND HAVE THIS DISASTER DECLARATION.

NOW I UNDERSTAND THE FUNDING MECHANISM PART OF IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND I FEEL LIKE WE JUST KEEP BRINGING THIS BACK AND COVID, COVID, COVID AND LOOK AROUND IT'S LIKE TURN DEAF SOMETIMES.

>> YOU ALL CAN VOTE IT DOWN.

>> ABSOLUTELY. BUT THAT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW.

I KNOW TRAVIS IS TALKING ABOUT POWERS TO THE MAYOR AND MINE IS JUST US MOVING

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FORWARD BUT ALSO REALIZE THAT YOU RIDE ON THE FUNDING MECHANISM.

>> IT IS REQUIRED THAT WE BRING IT MONTHLY, NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE REDUNDANT.

>> THIS CAN TAKE CARE OF A COUPLE OF MORE LIFT STATIONS.

[LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] IT'S COVID [LAUGHTER]

>> IT'S COVID AND WATER [LAUGHTER]

>> GREAT QUESTIONS, GUYS

>> BUT WE DO NEED TO APPROVE IT OR NOT.

>> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION EXTENDING THE DISASTER DECLARATION SIGNED BY THE MAYOR IN MARCH 17TH, 2020 THROUGH NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCIL MARK GONGORA, ANY DISCUSSION.

I'D RATHER HAVE ONE OF THESE THAN A HURRICANE DISASTER BEING SIGNED RIGHT NOW [LAUGHTER] POOR PEOPLE OF FLORIDA.

ANY FURTHER? HEARING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> ALL THOSE POSITIVE. SIGN THE MOTION.

>> NAY.

>> ONE NAY. APOLOGIZE 5-1, MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NUMBER 20, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON SUBMITTING

[20. Discussion and possible action on submitting a grant application to the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) for mobility improvements in downtown Angleton along both sides of Velasco St., from E. Orange St. to E. Locus St.]

A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TXDOT FOR MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS IN DOWNTOWN ANGLETON ALONG BOTH SIDES OF VELASCO STREET FROM EAST ORANGE STREET TO EAST LOCUST STREET. MS. PATTY.

>> COLTON, DO YOU HAVE MY POWERPOINT AVAILABLE.

>> IN THE FUTURE CAN WE MOVE THE TXDOT ITEMS IF THE TXDOT REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO THE BEGINNING BEING GOOD, FRIENDLY NEIGHBORS.

SHE TOOK THE TIME OUT TO COME.

>> IF MS. PONCE IS EVER HERE I DEFINITELY WOULD.

>> THEY WAITED FOR A LONG TIME.

>> I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THIS EARLIER, SO I'LL TAKE THE BLAME.

I DON'T WANT TO PILE ON ANYBODY, BUT I AGREE SHE'S SO INVALUABLE TO THIS AREA.

WIELDS A BIG STICK, SO TO SPEAK, AND SHE CARRIES A LOT OF AUTHORITY, WE MIGHT AS WELL.

>> ALSO WITH HER WAS ANA RAMIREZ'S WORKDAY WHO WORKS IN THE HOUSTON DISTRICT OFFICE.

THEY'VE BOTH BEEN PARTNERING WITH ME ON THESE TWO PROPOSALS FOR YOU AND I'M SORRY, THEY COULDN'T BE HERE.

THEY REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND ALSO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT FOR THESE PROJECTS.

BUT I RELEASED THEM EARLIER BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING PRETTY TIRED AND I THINK THEY APPRECIATED A CHANCE TO HAVE.

>> MARIA HAD TO GO HOME, PUT HER KIDS TO BED TOO.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. THE SCOPE OF WORK ON THIS PROJECT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE WE SUBMITTED IT LAST YEAR.

I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW IT WITH YOU QUICKLY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 10 FOOT SHARED PATH ALONG VOLUSIA FROM ORANGE ALL THE WAY UP TO EAST LOCUST AND BACK.

I TOOK THIS PICTURE TODAY.

I MENTIONED IT TO SOMEONE EARLIER, BUT THIS IS A MERCHANT RIGHT THERE ON THE SIDEWALK WHOSE RACK OF CLOTHES WAS BUMPED INTO BY UNMEANING PEDESTRIAN AND IT ONLY GOT KNOCKED IN THE STREET AND HE'S THE ONE THAT TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD LOVE ALONG THEIR SECTION THERE, ESPECIALLY TO HAVE THOSE 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS.

THIS IS FACING THE OTHER WAY IN FRONT OF BRAZOS AVENUE MARKET.

IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT TOO.

AS WE GO THROUGH HERE, I HAVE 50 SLIDES THAT DEMONSTRATE THE PROBLEMS ALONG THE SIDEWALKS IN THIS STRETCH OF ALASKA.

WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM ALL, BUT I THOUGHT I'D SHOW THEM TO YOU [LAUGHTER] WHILE I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

SOMETIMES A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

>> I WALKED RIGHT INTO THAT STRAIGHT UP.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU?

>> WHERE DO YOU GET TO 20 PERCENT MATCHING FUND?

>> THAT'S A QUESTION FOR OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND OUR CITY MANAGER [LAUGHTER]

>> YOU HAVE TO GO BOMB FOR IT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT RESERVES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE FROM THAT PART.

>> HERE'S MY ONLY CONCERN.

THAT IS, THE IDEA IS GREAT.

I IMAGINE BRINGING LIFE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA ANYTIME YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVITALIZE THINGS, THAT'S GREAT.

HOWEVER, THE MATCHING FUNDS, IF I WERE PUSHED TO SHOVE,

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IF YOU WERE MADE ME TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND HENDERSON AND MATCHING FUNDS, I'M GOING TO PICK HENDERSON ROAD.

>> SAME.

>> WE'RE GOING OUT FOR THESE GRANTS.

GREAT. I GUESS ONCE TXDOT WANTS A TIP OR WHATEVER THE GALVESTON HCA.

BUT I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD DO BOTH.

IF YOU CAN TELL ME WE CAN DO BOTH AS TRAVIS IS SOMEHOW THOSE WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WIN BOTH OF THESE GRANTS AND WE CAN FUND IT, THEN I'M DOWN.

WE WOULD SURE CERTAINLY GOT TO BOMB, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUR DEBT CAPACITY AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN.

>> BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT IT'S RISKY TOO, REMEMBER WE HAD THE ADA TRANSITION AND SO IF SOMEONE TRIPS ON A CAB, GETTING OUT OF THE CAR IN THE STREET OR GOES DOWN IN ADA, WHATEVER LIKE TODAY, COULD HAVE FALLEN OFF THE WHATEVER BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET AROUND THE CLOTHES RACK.

IT'S RISK. SOMEONE COULD THEN TAKE US TO COURT AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT ADA COMPLAINT. WE HAVE TO FIX IT.

>> I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.

I GET THE RISK.

I GUESS THEY'RE BOTH AN EXPENSE.

I GUESS THE FEAR OF LITIGATION.

I GREW UP THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST [OVERLAPPING]

>> I THINK THIS WILL HELP.

TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT BOTH OF THESE TXDOT GRANTS, WE WOULD BE NOTIFIED IF WE'RE FUNDED IN AUGUST OF 2023, AND THEN THE MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN EARLY JANUARY 2024 AND WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.

THE HENDERSON ROAD PROJECT IS DOWN THE ROAD.

THEY STILL HAVEN'T PUBLISHED ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CALL FOR PROJECTS.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LAST MARCH.

IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS FALL.

THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF DECISIONS TO MAKE ABOUT THEIR METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION.

SOME OF US ARE STARTING TO WONDER IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

ONCE WE EVEN SUBMIT THOSE APPLICATIONS AND SAY THEY'RE FUNDED OR THAT WE'RE NOTIFIED IN SIX MONTHS, THEN WE GO ON LIST AND WE GO ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST BECAUSE PREVIOUS YEARS THOSE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY SELECTED AND THEY GO BEFORE US.

YOU GET ON A WAITING QUEUE AND THE EARLIEST THE HENDERSON ROAD PROJECT COULD MOVE FORWARD WOULD BE 2025 SO MAYBE EVEN 2026 AT THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND PREPARE TO SUBMIT THAT GRANT.

THE MINUTE THEY SAY GO, WE'RE READY.

BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO TURN DOWN AN OPPORTUNITY THAT CAN HELP THE CITY WHILE YOU WAIT ON THE OTHER ONE.

THAT'S A DECISION YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE.

I DO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD.

I LISTENED TO ALL OF THE WEBINARS THAT TXDOT BEEN DOING ABOUT THESE TA GRANTS.

ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT OFFICIAL YET, IT WON'T BE OFFICIAL UNTIL EARLY OCTOBER, BUT THEY HAVE SAID TWO THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

ONE IS IF YOU'RE A SMALL URBAN CENTER LIKE WE ARE UNDER 20,000 PEOPLE ACCORDING TO CENSUS, AND YOU HAVE A LOW ECONOMIC BASE OF CITIZENRY, YOU COULD BE VERY WELL ELIGIBLE FOR A REDUCED MATCH.

ACCORDING TO ALL THE INFORMATION THEY'VE GIVEN US ABOUT WHAT THAT FORMULA LOOKS LIKE, WE'RE ELIGIBLE.

WILL IT BE 15 PERCENT OR IT'D BE 5 PERCENT, DON'T KNOW.

THE OTHER THING THAT THEY'VE SAID IS THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY ENGINEERING EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS REIMBURSABLE.

THAT'S A BIG THING.

THEY WANT TO WORK WITH US, WE'VE GOT GOOD SUPPORT FROM TXDOT.

I WAS TOLD TODAY WE SHOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT PASSING THE PRE-OP PHASE AND MOVE RIGHT INTO THE APPLICATION BUT TONIGHT ALL I'M ASKING YOU FOR IS YOUR SUPPORT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PRE-APPLICATION.

I WILL COME BACK WITH A MORE FULLY DEVELOPED ENGINEERING PLAN.

I DON'T EXPECT THE PRICES TO CHANGE MUCH, BUT THERE WILL BE MORE DETAIL IN IT AND AT THAT TIME, I'LL NEED TO GET A RESOLUTION FROM YOU FOR BOTH PROJECTS THAT YOU SUPPORT THE WORK AND THAT YOU WILL COMMIT TO THE MATCH.

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BUT BY THAT TIME, I'LL KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

YOU TELL ME IF YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD.

>> MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS THE PRE-OP TO FIGURE OUT WHATEVER AND CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH.

I MENTIONED THE $1.7 MILLION HAS MITIGATION GRANT THAT COMING FROM GLO AT SOME POINT.

THAT DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS POINT BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE PERCOLATING OUT THERE AS FAR AS FUNDING SO THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES DOWN THAT WE CAN USE AS THAT MATCH OR USED TOWARD THAT MATCH.

>> WHAT IF WE DO GET AWARDED THAT WHERE THEY SAY WE DID MAKE THE CUT AND WE TRY OUR HARDEST TO FIND THE FUNDING AND WE DON'T? IT DOESN'T HURT US IF WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE COULDN'T FIND OUR MATCH SHOWING.

WHAT WILL HAPPENS FOR THE NEXT GO AROUND?

>> WE WOULD GET A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT YOU'RE COMMITTED TO THE MATCH, THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED WITH OUR DETAILED APPLICATION, AND THEN WHEN THEY LET THE GRANT, WHICH WOULD BE EARLY JANUARY 2024, THAT IS THE TIME AT WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE, THERE'S A WINDOW OF TIME ABOUT SIX MONTHS, WHERE YOU COULD FIGURE THAT OUT.

IF YOU ABSOLUTELY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT OR COULDN'T FIND A RESOURCE, THEN YOU CAN DECLINE THE FUNDING.

>> YOU NEED THE ACTION FROM US TO SAY MOVE FORWARD?

>> MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE KEEP GOING ON THIS GRANT APPLICATION AND SUBMIT TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS IN DOWNTOWN ANGLETON, ALONG BOTH SIDES OF ALASKA, STRAIGHT FROM EAST ORANGE TO EAST LOCUST STREET.

>> MOTION BY WRIGHT [PHONETIC]. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL.

>> SEE HOW FAR WE GO.

>> MAYOR?

>> I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT, ACCORDING TO OUR ENGINEER, IT WILL COST AN ADDITIONAL $15,000 TO PREPARE THE FINAL DETAILED BUDGET ENGINEERING DESIGN.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, I DON'T WANT TO LET THAT SLIP BY.

>> AFTER THE MOTION. [LAUGHTER]

>> I JUST LOOKED AT MY PAPER AND SAW IT.

>> I WAS WONDERING.

>> FUNDS REQUESTED ZERO, BUDGETED AMOUNT ZERO.

JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

>> IT DOESN'T CAUSE, WELL, OKAY. SORRY.

>> HAVE YOU SPENT ANY MONEY YET? HAVE YOU ALREADY KNOCKED INTO THAT 15,000 OR THAT'S A FRESH 15,000 SLATE?

>> YOU PREVIOUSLY APPROVED $5,000 FOR US TO SPEND SO THAT THE ENGINEERING COMPANY COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE COST OF THE PROJECT WE SUBMITTED LAST YEAR AND COMPARE IT TO THIS YEAR'S PRICES.

THAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT.

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IT WOULD COST TO FINISH THE WORK BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO ANY OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WORK IN THE ORIGINAL ENGINEERING.

IT INVOLVES MOVING SOME UTILITY AND MAYBE SOME DRAINAGE AND THAT ENGINEERING STUFF.

>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IN PRINCIPLE, I'M GLAD YOU SET THE TIMELINE.

>> MRS. MICED, THEY'RE THREE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING.

>> SEVEN.

>> JOHN, IS IT TRUE HE CAN'T BE OUT THERE? THAT'S THE TRUTH CHAMPION.

HE'S ACTUALLY STUCK WITH US THE WHOLE NIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THE TIMELINE, I DO BECAUSE WE KEEP THROWING AROUND HENDERSON, THAT SEEMS MORE AND MORE LIKE A FIGMENT OF OUR IMAGINATION.

>> [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE TALK ABOUT IT SO GLOWINGLY, IT'LL BE LUCKY IF ANY OF US THAT ARE ON COUNCIL, IF THAT EVER HAPPENS.

I SAY WE PROCEED ON THIS.

I KNOW IT COSTS MONEY IF WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THIS, EVEN $15,000.

I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, AND YES, FOR A CITY OUR SIZE $15,000 CAN BE STRETCHED TO GO DIFFERENT WAYS AND UTILIZE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BUILD US A ROAD, I'LL TELL US THAT MUCH.

>> I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT I DID MENTION THAT ANY PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING WORK IS REIMBURSABLE WITH THIS GRANT,

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SO WE CAN GET THAT MONEY BACK.

>> JUST PRELIMINARY OR FINAL DESIGN?

>> FINAL, BUT I MEAN THAT THE WORK THAT HAS TO [OVERLAPPING].

>> HOLD ON, THERE'S TWO POTS OF MONEY HERE, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING WORK, COULD I JUST GIVE YOU SOME CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, AND THEN THERE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.

THOSE ARE THE TWO SEPARATE ASPECTS OF DESIGN.

>> BOTH ARE REIMBURSABLE OR JUST THIS PRELIMINARY STUFF?

>> I CAN GET US REIMBURSED FOR WHAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR, BUT FOR ANY MONEY THAT'S BEING SPENT TO PREPARE THIS PREAMP AND THEN THE FINAL DETAIL DONE, THAT CAN BE REIMBURSED.

BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK IT COSTS US ANY MONEY FOR WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

CHRIS MIGHT HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT THAN I DO.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.