Nov 03, 2022 Planning & Zoning Commission

[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]

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BUT. RIGHT. SO IT IS NOW EXACTLY NOON.

WE WILL CALL A MEETING TO ORDER.

WELCOME, EVERYONE. GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

PARTICIPATE. FIRST ACTION ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER THE 6TH 2022.

[1. Approval of the Meeting Minutes for October 6, 2022]

SO ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, IT WAS NOTED THAT THE MOTION WAS MISSTATED.

SO I HAVE THE CORRECTIONS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.

THE MINUTES OF YOU WOULD APPROVE THOSE.

TAKE THOSE UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL WITH THAT SLIGHT MODIFICATION WHERE MS. BONNIE MCDANIEL MADE THE MOTION.

AND THEN I NOTICED THAT MS. BIERI DEPARTED THE MEETING EARLY.

OKAY. SO WITH THAT EDIT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.

SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SO BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSE SAME SIGN?

[2. Presentation and primer discussion on Planning and Zoning issues, the role of the Planning and Zoning Commission, matters related to public meeting procedures, City Code of Ordinances, and Zoning Code procedures. Discussion may include rules on agenda matters which may require recommendations and findings of fact to be forwarded to City Council for final adoption. No action is required.]

THE ROLES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MATTERS RELATED TO PUBLIC MEETING PROCEDURES, CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES AND ZONING CODE PROCEDURES.

DISCUSSION MAY INCLUDE RULES ON AGENDA MATTERS WHICH MAY REQUIRE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS OF FACT TO BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL ADOPTION.

NO ACTION IS NECESSARY.

HELLO, EVERYBODY.

HELLO? HELLO. THAT SOUNDS LOUD.

IT IS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR FIRM HAS BEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN INVITED TO COME AND JOIN YOU BEFORE.

SO I REALLY AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT KIND OF KNOW WHAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.

BUT I'M SUBJECT TO THE UPDATES THAT I GET FROM EVERYBODY.

AND I DO WATCH YOU ON VIDEO SOMETIMES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'M HERE A LOT.

SEVERAL OF YOU KNOW ME AND HAVE WORKED WITH ME BEFORE, BUT SOME OF YOU'VE NEVER PROBABLY NEVER SEEN ME BEFORE.

AND IF YOU COME TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.

A BYPRODUCT OF US NEVER BEING HERE BEFORE IS THAT I NEVER WAS ABLE TO COME AND DO THIS BEFORE.

AND I DO IT FOR ALL OF OUR CITIES WHEN REQUESTED.

BUT GRADY RANDALL, MY BOSS, WROTE SOME ARTICLES A LONG TIME AGO, AND WE KEEP MODIFYING THEM.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS.

SO WHAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH IS A GENERAL PRIMER, WHICH I REALIZE MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON A VERY LONG TIME.

AND PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT I NEVER HAD THE BENEFIT OF GIVING TO YOU BEFORE.

AND IT COULD BE THAT YOUR FORMER CITY ATTORNEY DID.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND YOU'VE GOT SOME NEW FACES ON P AND Z.

SO WE'VE GOT AN INFORMATION GENERALLY ABOUT THE CITY AND WHAT THE AUTHORITIES ARE AND INFORMATION ABOUT WHO IS IN BUILDING SERVICES, WHO YOU CAN REACH OUT TO, AND GENERALLY JUST WHAT EVERYONE'S ROLE IS.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN GIVEN THIS BEFORE, BUT AT THE BACK OF THIS ONE THAT SAYS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IT'S GOT THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES, WHICH WE ALWAYS KIND OF ASSUME THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THESE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WE'VE SET OUT THE DIFFERENT PENAL CODE PROVISIONS THAT SOMETIMES P AND Z MEMBERS BUMP UP AGAINST UNKNOWINGLY.

SO I'M NOT REALLY GOING TO DISCUSS THOSE.

IF YOU COULD JUST REVIEW THOSE WHENEVER YOU HAVE THE TIME AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW AT LEAST MICHELLE KNOWS THAT YOU'VE GOT A BRAND NEW CITY CHARTER OSTENSIBLY, I MEAN, WE AMENDED IT WITH MORE THAN 80 PROVISIONS.

SO THE NEW CHARTER PROVISIONS GENERALLY SAY THAT THE CITY OF ANGLETON WILL DO THINGS IN LINE WITH CITY WITH STATE LAW.

SO AT THE BACK PAGE IS YOUR NEW PROVISION IN YOUR CHARTER SECTION 10.5 ON CONFLICTS.

SO BASICALLY YOUR CHARTER NOW SAYS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE PROVISIONS ON CREATING A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHICH YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT EVERY HOME RULE CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A P AND Z COMMISSION.

BACK WHEN YOU WERE A SMALL GENERAL VELOCITY, P AND Z WAS NOT REQUIRED.

CITY COUNCIL COULD DO THAT.

SO THAT'S THIS PRIMER.

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SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT OR WHEN THESE PROVISIONS WILL BE VISITED.

BUT SECTION NUMBER THREE ON THE TWO YEAR TERMS, STAGGERED TERMS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THE LUXURY OF HAVING ENOUGH MANPOWER TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

I REALIZE THAT IN EVERY CITY IT'S TERRIBLY DIFFICULT TO GET VOLUNTEERS TO SERVE ON P AND Z, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA THAT AT SOME POINT WE REVISIT THAT AND FIGURE OUT IS THIS A PROVISION THAT'S WORKABLE FOR WHO YOU'VE GOT SERVING ON YOUR P AND Z AND THE POOL OF MANPOWER THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE? SO AND THE SAME THING WITH VACANCIES.

I KNOW THAT THESE ARE CHALLENGES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE READY TO REVISIT THAT.

BUT I PUT IT IN THERE SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS.

THEN ALSO WHAT I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH.

THIS ARTICLE THAT GRADY WROTE A LONG TIME AGO FOR OUR CITIES, IT'S I THINK IT'S GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF GYRATIONS.

AND I THINK OSTENSIBLY WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WAS SOMETHING LIKE A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A P AND Z MEMBER, AND THAT'S THIS ONE THAT STARTS WITH THE JOB OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBER.

I THINK SOME OF THE KEY THINGS WHICH YOU ALREADY KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED YOUR MEETINGS, THAT YOU'RE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BODY THAT'S MAKING ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL, THAT YOU NEED A MAJORITY TO VOTE ON THESE THINGS, THAT PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, A CITY IS ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE OTIS WORK AS A LIAISON BETWEEN P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL.

ALL OF THESE THINGS YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED YOUR MEETINGS, SO YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT.

BUT I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO REMEMBER THAT THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO B AND C, AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S EVEN THOUGH IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING THAT THEY'RE RATHER DISTINCT.

SO ON PAGE THREE AND FOUR, IT SETS OUT THE PLANNING PART OF THE JOB, RECOGNIZING THE CURRENT STATUS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN YOUR CITY AND TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS IN LINE WITH THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT YOUR CURRENT CODE, YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT ACTUALLY SAYS IN THERE THAT IT WAS MODELED OFF OF ANOTHER CITY. AND I REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT EVOKES REACTIONS SOMETIMES.

BUT WE GENERALLY SAY, HEY, IT NEVER HURTS ON A PLANNING AND ZONING BASIS TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND STEALING THEIR IDEAS BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT'S WORKING SOMEWHERE ELSE MIGHT BE RIGHT FOR YOU AND IT MIGHT NOT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER CITIES, THEN YOU YOU MAY NOT KNOW HOW CREATIVE YOU CAN BE WITHIN THE STATUTE AND WITHIN YOUR CODE.

SO PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, BUT WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND WE GENERALLY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE TO INVENT THE WHEEL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RECREATE SOMETHING.

YOU CAN SEE HOW OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT.

SO THEN, BESIDES ALL OF THAT, THE ZONING PROCESS ALONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD YOUR CHAPTER 28 IS, OTIS, BUT IT WAS DONE A WHILE AGO, SO.

I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK YOU'RE DOING MORE PLANNING LATELY THAN ZONING, BUT THE ZONING PROCESS IS BASICALLY DICTATED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, AND THAT'S SET OUT IN CHAPTERS 212 AND 212 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

SO WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME OF THOSE BASIC PROVISIONS IN THE BACK STARTING A PAGE SEVEN THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER HAD BEFORE, BUT NOW YOU KIND OF HAVE A HANDBOOK ON WHAT IT IS THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE TODAY, SO I'M GOING TO KEY IN ON SOME IMPORTANT THINGS.

AND I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT, BEFORE I LEAVE THIS DRAFT OF P AND Z PROCEDURES THAT I'VE PUT IN YOUR FOLDER.

EVERY P AND Z THAT I'M AWARE OF HAVE SOME KIND OF PROCEDURES OR GUIDELINES OR BYLAWS OR SOMETHING IN

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IT JUST GUIDELINES ARE ALWAYS GOOD.

IT'S HELPFUL, PARTICULARLY SINCE YOU ARE GOING TO LIKELY HAVE A LARGER POPULATION.

AND I REALLY DO HOPE THAT YOU HAVE A LARGER POOL OF VOLUNTEERS THAT STEP UP AND COME IN TO CITY HALL AND WANT TO HELP.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.

ALL RIGHT. SO THE LAWS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU COME TO P AND Z ARE NOT JUST THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, ALSO THE GOVERNMENT CODE IN TERMS OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, NOT SO MUCH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, YOUR CITY SECRETARY IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT.

BUT GENERALLY EVERYTHING THAT THAT YOU DO IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.

IT'S A TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS, BOARD MEMBERS AND EVEN CITY ATTORNEYS SOMETIMES FORGET SOME OF THE KEY PROVISIONS. I KEEP IT UP ON MY COMPUTER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE BASICS THAT EVERY MEETING IS AN OPEN MEETING IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT IN IT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES OF PROCEDURE.

IT'S NOT IN YOUR CODE.

THAT'S AGAIN, ANOTHER REASON FOR HAVING GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES.

IT MAKES IT REALLY SIMPLE ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO SAY WHAT, WHO'S GOING TO DO WHAT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS HAS EVER BEEN AN ISSUE HERE, AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE.

BUT THERE'S THIS ISSUE OF WHAT'S CALLED A WALKING QUORUM, AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HEARD OF THAT.

SOME PEOPLE IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY GOT IN TROUBLE.

AND WHAT IT IS IF YOU HAVE.

A BOARD MEMBER OR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT'S TALKING TO ONE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, AND THERE'S NOT A QUORUM PRESENT.

AND THEN SOMEBODY FROM THAT GROUP OF TWO GOES AND TALKS TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND CAUSES A CHAIN REACTION.

THERE'S CASE LAW AND ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS, AND IT VIOLATES THE STATUTE THAT'S CALLED A WALKING QUORUM, THAT IN THE END, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS HAVING A MEETING OF A QUORUM, BUT JUST NOT DIRECTLY, NOT WITH, IN YOUR CASE, FOUR PEOPLE IN ONE PLACE.

SO MANY THE STATE LAW DOES NOT SET FORTH HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ON AND Z THAT'S IN YOUR CODE.

SO THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE FIVE.

THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE 911, YOU HAVE SEVEN.

BUT THE POINT BEING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM TO MAKE A DECISION.

YOU CAN'T CREATE A QUORUM OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING ROOM BY WAY OF A WALKING QUORUM OR FAILING TO POST OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT HERE IN THE CITY, BUT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS LATELY, I THOUGHT I WOULD MENTION IT.

ANY OTHER ISSUE ON OPEN MEETINGS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF.

OK. AND ON THE LAST PAGE OF THAT HANDOUT, WE HAVE A SHEET THAT'S CALLED FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.

AND SOME OF THAT I'VE PROBABLY ALREADY COVERED THE TERM.

THERE ARE NO TERM LIMITS.

THERE ARE NO REQUIREMENTS ON NUMBERS IN STATE LAW.

THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE SET FORTH IN CITY CODE.

SO AGAIN, YOUR CODE MAY BE REVISITED AT SOME TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORKABLE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR TERMS HAVE BEEN WORKING IF YOU'VE NOT HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER, BUT IF ANY OF THOSE ISSUES ARE PRESENT, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THOSE ISSUES BE REVISITED AND DISCUSSED BY ALL OF YOU.

CAN A MEMBER OF THE P AND Z BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE FOR MAKING AN UNPOPULAR DECISION? YES, CITY COUNCIL CAN DO THAT.

THAT'S STATUTORY.

P AND Z CAN MAKE A VOTE WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

AGAIN, ALL OF THESE THINGS I KNOW YOU'RE DOING WELL BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS OF YOUR MEETINGS LATELY.

ARE THERE ANY ISSUES OF WHICH WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT? NO ONE HAS BROUGHT ANYTHING TO ME YET.

I WOULD SAY ON THE SIMPLE MAJORITY, IF WE CAN JUST CLARIFY, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IF THERE'S NOT IF THERE'S ONLY LIKE FOUR MEMBERS HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN AN ISSUE PASSES 3 TO 1.

IN THAT INSTANCE, DO WE CAN WE DO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENTS? YES.

SO YOUR SECTION 28 AND 22 SAYS A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE PRESENT.

YES. SO IS THAT A PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING? I THINK THAT WE WERE AWARE OF THAT.

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YES. I'M JUST. ANY OTHER ISSUE ON OPEN MEETINGS.

I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE OPEN MEETINGS, TRAINING IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE COMMISSION.

YEAH, YOU DO.

I THINK WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE TO REFLECT THAT.

YOU DO. BUT AS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A GOOD A REFRESHER IS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA FOR TWO REASONS.

NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S DETAILED, BUT BECAUSE WE WANT OUR PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT IT'S THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT.

YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION ALWAYS IS ON PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, OPEN MEETINGS, ACT, AND THERE'S ATTORNEY GENERAL DECISIONS OUT THE WAZOO THAT CITIES SHOULD STRIVE FOR TRANSPARENCY.

SO BECAUSE IT'S A HOT ISSUE ACROSS THE STATE AND IN THE NEWS, WE JUST REITERATE IT.

SO PLEASE DO NOT THINK THAT I AM SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

I AM SAYING THAT THIS IS A HOT TOPIC ISSUE ACROSS THE STATE.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINES ON ALL OF THE TIME.

SO AS A RESULT, WE SAY IT OVER AND OVER.

BUT YEAH, THERE'S NO INDICATION TO ME THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT RIGHT.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE AND WHAT I WOULD ASK IS ON THE DRAFT P AND Z PROCEDURES, THAT YOU TAKE SOME TIME AFTER TODAY'S MEETING AND LOOK AT THEM AND FIGURE OUT, ARE THERE THINGS IN HERE THAT ARE WORKABLE OR ARE THERE THINGS IN HERE THAT ARE NOT WORKABLE? IT'S DEFINITELY OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT SOME TYPE OF GUIDELINES AND PROCEDURES BE ADOPTED IN THIS MANNER, AND IT JUST TALKS ABOUT REGULAR MEETINGS, SPECIAL MEETINGS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE WORKSHOP MEETINGS, BUT YOU CAN IF YOU CHOOSE TO JOINT MEETINGS, OF COURSE, WHICH IS STATUTORY PURSUANT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE JOINT MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU DO THAT.

I DON'T THINK OFTEN BECAUSE I'M AT MOST OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.

ON THE DELIVERY OF THE MINUTES, P AND Z REPORTS, POLICY DIRECTIVES, RULES AND PROCEDURES, ATTENDANCE AND THE CONDUCT.

THESE ARE JUST REALLY BASIC, BUT IT SERVES AGAIN FOR THE TRANSPARENCY FOR THE CITY TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT P AND Z, WHAT'S GOING ON IN P AND Z, AND FOR ANY NEW MEMBERS THAT HOPEFULLY YOU GET, PARTICULARLY WITH THE INCREASE IN YOUR POPULATION, TO COME IN AND KNOW HOW THIS WORKS.

ANY OTHER ISSUES I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

I THINK THAT'S WHY I STARTED WITH THE THANK YOU.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR IF THINGS HAPPEN AND YOU DON'T KNOW, WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THROUGH OTIS.

SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS REDUNDANT, BUT I PUT OTIS'S EMAIL ADDRESS IN HERE WITH HIS PHONE NUMBER AND I PUT KYLE'S EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER IN HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS YOU'RE HERE.

YOU ONLY HAVE A SHORT TIME.

YOU GO HOME AND THEN YOU'RE THINKING LIKE, WOW, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION.

WELL, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY MORE THAN WELCOME TO SEND AN EMAIL TO OTIS.

HE'LL FORWARD IT TO ME.

I DO THIS A LOT FOR ALL OF OUR CITIES ON BASIC QUESTIONS OR COMPLICATED ONES.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE LAW IS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WHAT YOUR CODE SAYS AND WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS.

YOU'RE ALSO SHAPED BY ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS AND CASE LAW.

SO DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU COULD READ A STATUTE OR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROVISION AND THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT SAYS, THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT MIGHT HAVE SAID, WELL, THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS. SO I'LL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE ANY OF THAT.

AND OF COURSE, IF THERE'S ANY MEETINGS THAT YOU WANT US TO COME AND WE'RE ACTUALLY REQUESTED BY OTHER CITIES, HEY, CAN YOU JUST COME TO THAT MEETING? WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.

I'LL BE GLAD TO COME BACK.

BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS A PRIMER AND I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND I KNOW THAT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IMPARTED TO YOU FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN CITY ATTORNEYS SINCE 2017.

AND TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE AVAILABLE.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

I THINK IT'S A IT'S I LOOK FORWARD TO READING THROUGH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED.

SO THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S NICE WE'RE HERE TO HELP.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CITY HALL ARE LIKE, OH, GOD, LEGAL IS GOING TO JUST MUCK THINGS UP.

BUT WE'RE NOT. I MEAN, WE WE REALLY, TRULY WANT TO GIVE YOU THE TOOLS THAT YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A PRODUCTIVE MANNER AND NOT HAVE TO CALL US.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE GLAD TO HELP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[3. Conduct a public hearing, discussion and possible action on a Zoning Text Amendment request to amend the Code of Ordinances, Section 28-81(b)- Use Regulations (Charts), and Section 28-112, Definitions (adding Microblading Studio), and adding “Microblading Studio” as a S.U.P., Specific Use Permit allowance within the Central Business District (CBD), Light Industrial (LI), C-MU, Commercial- Mixed Use(C-MU), Commercial- General (C-G), and Commercial- Office/Retail (C-OR) Zoning Districts.]

PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION ITEMS, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTION 2881 B USE

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LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL MIXED USE COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL ZONING DISTRICTS.

UH, OTIS, YOU WANT TO GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS BEFORE WE BEGIN? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS A SERIES OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BEFORE YOU.

AS YOU KNOW, THE ZONING TEXT DOES CHANGE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH NEW AND INNOVATIVE USES.

JUST LIKE YOUR LAST MONTH, WE RECEIVED THE PETITION FOR A MICROBLADING STUDIO.

FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT MICROBLADING IS, IT'S A FORM OF, LET'S SAY, TEMPORARY TYPE TATTOO.

SO THE STATUTES IN THE CITY CURRENTLY DO NOT ALLOW SUCH USERS AS TATTOO ARTISTS TO BE LOCATED IN DISTRICTS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.

HOWEVER, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF USE.

WE HAVE APPLICANTS HERE THAT ARE REQUESTING IT TO BE DONE AS A NECESSARY USE TO A COSMETIC TYPE STUDIO OR SHOP. AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY USE THIS AS A PROCEDURE WHICH DOESN'T USE THE SAME METHOD OF TATTOOING, BUT IT TAKES THE SIMILAR TYPE OF APPLICATION BUT ON A MUCH LIGHTER LEVEL.

AND THE APPLICATION LASTS ONLY TWO OR THREE YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE METHOD OF APPLICATION.

SO I'M GOING TO ALLOW THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE IN THE NEXT CASE TO ANSWER THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR USE IS REGULATED BY THE STATE.

THEY DO HAVE TO GET LICENSING SIMILAR TO THE TATTOO ARTIST, SO WE'VE PUT A LEVEL OF DETAIL INTO THE TEXT.

SO WHAT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT DOES IS REQUEST THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER MAKING THIS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITHIN PARTICULAR DISTRICTS, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS THE.

COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL.

WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS TEXT AMENDMENT HOLD OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR COMMENT.

AND THEN FINALLY, MAYBE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO SEE THE COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION.

BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

REGARDING THE STAFF REPORT, WE TRIED TO OUTLINE THE USE ITSELF FOR YOU BY DEFINITION.

AND WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU WOULD TWEAK THE DEFINITION SECTION OF THE CODE IN WHICH WE DEFINE TATTOO PARLOR STUDIOS AND SEPARATE IT OUT FOR MICROBLADING. AND THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TWO WOULD BE THE NATURE OF ONE BEING MORE TEMPORARY AND THE OTHER BEING A PERMANENT TATTOO.

SO THAT KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT QUICKLY, BUT I'M SURE THAT YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.

WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.

WELL, IF NOT, LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ISSUE? THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE OF THESE SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO OPEN.

THIS IS JUST ADDING IT TO THE ORDINANCE.

GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER EXPLANATION FROM THE APPLICANTS BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT OF A QUESTION.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND IT'S BASICALLY USED FOR MAKEUP PURPOSES OR MAKING SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT MAKEUP.

SO SOME OF US DON'T HAVE TO WORK SO HARD EVERY MORNING.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, ONCE WE OPEN THIS UP, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE ARE WE POSSIBLY OPENING UP THAT WE MAY NOT WANT? IS THERE ANY NEGATIVE SIDE TO THIS THAT ANYBODY IS AWARE OF? I KNOW STAFF IS NOT AWARE AND WE RESEARCH SPIRULINA AND ALL OF THE CITIES THAT HAVE PROVIDED IT.

AND I DO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE DONE IT AND ACTUALLY MADE ME DO IT TO AN EXTENT BECAUSE ME AND ME HAVE LACKING PHYSICAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED AS WELL.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A TEMPORARY FORM.

YEAH, OF COURSE. SHE NEEDS TO GO.

HE HAS TO HAVE A MIC. GIVE ME YOUR NAME.

YES. TO THE MIC. THANK YOU.

WE'VE GOT TO GET IT ON THE RECORDING FOR THOSE THAT ARE HEARING IMPAIRED.

SO MY NAME IS JENNIFER BELL.

I OWN BIZARRE SALON, WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE.

WE'VE BEEN OPEN THERE SINCE 2016, I BELIEVE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE JUST ADDING THE SERVICE.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, THAT IT HAS TO BE CATEGORIZED, BUT WE'RE ADDING THE SERVICE TO OUR SALON THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE SINCE 2016.

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IT'S A HAIR SALON.

I'VE GOT FIVE HAIR STYLIST THAT WORK IN THE SALON AND THEY DO HAIR AND MAKEUP.

SO WE'RE WE HAVE ONE OF OUR LADIES WHO HAS GONE TO SCHOOL AND GOTTEN CERTIFIED TO DO THE MICROBLADING, WHICH WE CONSIDER MORE A MAKEUP ARTIST TYPE OF SERVICE.

WE DON'T CONSIDER IT A TATTOO SERVICE, BUT SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO ADD TO OUR SERVICES.

WE LEASE THIS SPACE.

WE'VE BEEN LEASING THIS SPACE FOR SIX YEARS.

SO ME AS THE OWNER, IT WOULD BE TOUGH FOR ME TO TELL SOME OF THE LADIES WHO WANT TO BROADEN THEIR SERVICES FOR THEIR CLIENTS THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD BE HAVE AN OPTION TO DO WOULD BE JUST TO MOVE LOCATIONS, WHICH WE LIKE OUR SPOT.

WE'VE BEEN THERE SIX YEARS. WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY WAY WE COULD GET A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THAT, KNOWING THAT IT'S PART OF AN ALREADY EXISTING BEAUTY SALON AND NOT NECESSARILY OPENING AN ACTUAL TATTOO OR MICROBLADING PLACE BUSINESS.

BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL TECHNIQUE OF WHAT IT IS, THEN DREW IS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT WENT TO SCHOOL TO GET HER CERTIFICATION ON IT.

SHE COULD GIVE YOU BECAUSE I JUST OWN THE PLACE.

I DON'T DO THE MICROBLADING.

SO I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

YES, I THINK SO.

IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMFORTABLE, I'M JUST I'M NOT TRYING.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A BOOGEYMAN.

I'M JUST I'M WANTING THIS TO BE A POSITIVE THING.

BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF AND WE ADD TO THAT, THIS IS BY APPLICATION.

SO THIS IS SPECIFICALLY THIS PARTICULAR ADDRESS BEING APPLIED HERE.

EVERYONE ELSE THAT COME IN COMES IN FOR ANY DIFFERENT ADDRESS.

WE'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU.

IT WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND GET A SPECIAL.

SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION, BUT I AM NOT SURE BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THERE.

SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THE MOTION SHOULD BE WORDED.

ARE WE JUST CHANGING THE DEFINITIONS? YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REFLECT THE LANGUAGE AND THE AGENDA? THAT IS BEAUTIFUL. YES, I DID.

ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL, IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE.

SO BY SAYING AYE OPPOSE SAME SIGN MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM FOUR CONDUCT, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO SECTION 2863 OF THE

[4. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and take possible action on an application for a Special Use Permit (SUP) pursuant to Sec. 28-63 of the Code of Ordinances to consider a request submitted by Jennifer Bell, Beau Bazaar Salon, to allow for a Specific Use Permit for a Microblading Studio for property located at 115 E. Mulberry Street, Angleton, TX.]

YES. AND THANK YOU. EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST SAID AND THIS WOULD APPLY TO 115 EAST MULBERRY STREET, WHICH IS IN OUR CBD DISTRICT.

AND SHE'S REQUESTING THE SCOOP TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS ADDRESS.

AND WE WILL CLEARLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS REQUEST FOLLOWS THE SUCCESSFUL ADOPTION OF THE MICROBLADING TEXT AMENDMENT THAT YOU JUST PERFORMED THERE. SO THAT'S THE CONDITION OF THIS REQUEST.

SPECIFICALLY, I'VE STATED THE LOCATION IT IS IN OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

IT IS A SPACE TO 115 EAST MULBERRY AND THE APPLICANTS DO OWN THE STUDIO.

AS NOTED, WE'VE LISTED THE RECOMMENDATION HERE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AND THE APPLICANTS, OF COURSE, WILL HAVE TO ASSURE THAT THEY MAINTAIN ALL LOCAL AND STATE PERMITS AND LICENSING AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN, AS I STATED, IS CONTINGENT UPON THE SUCCESSFUL ADOPTION OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT.

IN THE PAST, THE COMMISSION HAS CONSIDERED TIME LIMITS ON THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

THE STAFF HAVE ANY OPINION ON THAT IN THIS CASE.

IN THAT CASE, FOR THE EASE OF APPLICATION AND PERMITS, I THINK WE'D BE COMING TO YOU SO OFTEN IN THIS INSTANCE.

I DON'T RECOMMEND US TIME LIMITING IT UNLESS LEGAL HAS AN ISSUE WITH IT.

I DO NOT.

BUT ON CERTAIN APPLICATIONS I WILL SAY WHEN THERE IS PUBLIC OPPOSITION AND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES OF CONCERN THAT OUR TIME LIMIT BASED IN, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER TIME LIMITATIONS, BUT NOT IN THIS CASE.

IN THIS INSTANCE THERE IS NO OPPOSITION NOTED THAT WE DID NOTIFY THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET AND THERE'S NO REAL ISSUES.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED AND WE WILL HAVE THE SESSION.

OR MY ONE QUESTION IS THE PROPERTY LOCATED 115 EAST MULBERRY?

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YEAH, I WAS SPECIFIED, SUITE C.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I WOULD TOO.

JUST SO THAT SOME OTHER BUSINESS CAN'T COME IN RIGHT OFF THE FRONT AND DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE AT THE SAME ADDRESS.

THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT INTO A MOTION? SURE. OH TRUE.

THAT THE SPECIAL USE SO.

WHAT OUR.

RIGHT. SO BEAU BAZAAR SALON.

CORRECT. I WANT TO HAVE IT RIGHT.

OKAY. SO MY MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO THE TEXT AMENDMENTS, PROVIDED THAT THEY GO THROUGH COUNCIL TO GRANT BEAU BAZAAR SALON, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MICROBLADING AT 115 E MULBERRY STREET, SUITE C.

SECOND.

A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

SO BY SAYING I OPPOSE SAME SIGN MOTION CARRIES.

GOOD LUCK. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY OR LEAVE WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE DOING.

ITEM FIVE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR SMART STORAGE FOR A 12.390 ACRES SUBDIVISION.

[5. Consideration of approval of a final plat for Smart Storage, for a 12.390-acre subdivision.]

THAT'S OKAY. CERTAINLY.

ITEM SIX PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE COMMENT ON A SITE PLAN FOR ANGLETON PARK PLACE SECTIONS FOUR THROUGH SIX PRESENTATION OF SITE PLAN

[6. Presentation, discussion, and possible comment on a Site plan, for Angleton Park Place Sections 4-6; Presentation of Site plan, 70.838 acre tract in the southeast area of Angleton, Texas. No action is required.]

OKAY, SO I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO THE.

ALL RIGHT. SORRY. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WITH MIKE MORGAN.

HE WAS HERE YESTERDAY AT 12 AND NOT TODAY AT 12.

BUT I'LL PRESENT THIS FOR HIM.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET THE SITE PLAN ON THE SCREEN? OKAY. THERE WE GO.

SO MIKE MORGAN IS IN A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THIS TRACT OF LAND THAT IS SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST OF HIS CURRENT SUBDIVISION, ANGLETON PARK PLACE. YOU KNOW, WHAT HE REALLY WANTS IS IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN OR IF THEY WANTED TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE AS EXPECTATIONS OUT THERE.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT HE WANTS TO PUT, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO ANGLETON PARK PLACE AND THAT IT'S A SUBDIVISION.

IT'S GOING TO BE A MANUFACTURED HOME.

RANDALL PARK.

SO WHAT HE PLANS ON DOING, IS THERE GOING TO BE SUBPLOTS THERE, BUT THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE RENTALS.

HE'S GOING TO OWN THE WHOLE TRACK.

HE IS GOING TO PUT AMENITIES OUT THERE FOR BOTH COMMUNITIES ON BOTH SIDES OF GIFFORD ROAD.

AND I KNOW ONE OF THE.

POSITIVES THAT HE WANTED TO DO WITH THIS SUBDIVISION WAS HE WOULD BUILD THE FULL CROSS SECTION OF GIFFORD ROAD FROM PHILLIPS TO THE SUBDIVISION.

I'M NOT FOLLOWING THAT.

HE WOULD DO WHAT NOW? SO FROM GIFFORD ROAD, RIGHT NOW, HE'S ONLY BUILDING THE TWO LANES FOR ANGLETON PARK PLACE.

THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE.

I'D GO. YEAH.

THANK YOU. MM HMM.

THERE. CORRECT.

SO THAT'S NOT FINISHED NOW.

THERE IS NO ROAD OUT THERE AT THE MOMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

HE'S PURELY IN FEASIBILITY.

HE IS WILLING TO BUILD THE FULL CROSS SECTION OF THE ROAD TO GET TO THIS AREA THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN PURCHASING.

BUT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS HE DOES WANT SOME HONESTY.

THIS IS A MOBILE HOME PARK AND HE WANTS TO KNOW IF THE CITY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? 335 MOBILE HOMES, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? CORRECT. AND I'M ASKING THIS BECAUSE I HEARD A DISCUSSION ONCE BEFORE IF WE'RE FULLY OCCUPIED.

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WHAT NUMBER WOULD WE ASSUME FOR HER LOT? NO, THIS IS GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN FOUR PER ACRE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER.

WELL, WHEN WE HAD A DISCUSSION ONCE BEFORE ABOUT A MOBILE HOME PLACE AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND SEWER THAT WAS GOING TO BE USED AND IT WAS NOT GOING INTO THE CITY, IT WAS GOING TO GO INTO AN OUTFALL AWAY FROM THE CITY.

AND THEY USED A FULL OCCUPANCY AND THEY QUOTED A NUMBER.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY COME TO THAT NUMBER.

THEY TOOK THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY THIS MANY PEOPLE.

AT FULL OCCUPANCY.

THEREFORE, THE SEWER SYSTEM WOULD TAKE SO MUCH PRESSURE OF ABOVE ABOVE.

CAN YOU GIVE ME KIND OF AN IDEA OR.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT 330 SOMETHING LOTS AT TWO PEOPLE PER LOT.

SO WE GOT 600 AND SOMETHING PEOPLE GOING TO BE LIVING THERE.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FAMILY SIZE PER UNIT? YEAH. THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT WOULD OCCUPY THIS SPACE.

SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE IS THAT THESE MOBILE HOMES WOULD BE EITHER STANDARD SINGLE Y TRAILER, YOU KNOW, 16 BY 76 FOOT OR A DOUBLE WIDE. AND YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE KIND OF.

YOU KNOW, IT'S AT LEAST FOUR PERSON PER HOUSE OR THREE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A FAIRLY HIGH DENSITY, CORRECT? YES. AND ONE THING TO BE CLEAR IS THE WAY WE HAVE THIS LAID OUT IS WE DID MEET WITH THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE AN INTEREST IN GETTING CITY SERVICES TO BOTH LOTS.

THE SITE THAT IS EAST OF GIFFORD ROAD IS IN THE CITY LIMITS, ZONED AS PD AND A SITE THAT'S ON THE LEFT IS IN THE COUNTY.

SO. YEAH.

IS ANGLETON PARK PLACE.

IS THAT A.

I THINK IT'S A MOBILE, MANUFACTURED KIND OF A STEP UP.

YEAH. SO ARE YOU.

YOU'RE. I'M NOT REMEMBERING THE NAME, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT UTILITY AVAILABILITY.

WELL, AS WELL AS POPULATION.

I KNOW THAT EVERY TIME WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND WE JUST RECENTLY HAD IT AGAIN WHEN IN OUR TJ, THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR AND THE DISCUSSION WAS WE'RE GOING TO REALLY PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON OUR SEWER SYSTEM, EVEN OUR WATER SYSTEM.

AND WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SO MANY HOMES COMING IN AND WE'VE GOT SOME HIGH DENSITY WHERE WE'VE NARROWED UP THOSE LOTS AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT ACROSS THE ROAD AND STICK IT IN HERE.

AND I STILL HAVE THE SAME OBJECTION.

I THINK IT'S TOO HIGH A DENSITY.

I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SURROUNDING AREA, WHILE IT'S NOT ORGANIZED SUBDIVISIONS, AS WE'RE SEEING, BUT THOSE PEOPLE LIVE IN MOSTLY HOMES, YOU KNOW, NOT MANUFACTURED PRE MANUFACTURED HOMES AND NOT TRAILER HOMES.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE PROPER TERM ANYMORE, BUT.

THEY'VE GOT THOSE DOWN THERE.

I JUST DON'T SEE THAT WE ARE HELPING THE CITY BY PUTTING THIS MUCH DENSITY DOWN THERE.

THERE'S ALREADY A TRAILER MANUFACTURED HOME RENTAL.

A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

SO BASED ON THAT, YOU'RE ASKING OPINION.

THIS OPINION IS WE DON'T NEED THAT SELF.

AND IN ANGLETON WE'VE GOT ENOUGH ISSUE.

WELL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? SURE. THIS IS A DEFINITELY A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY THAN WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING A ANGLETON PARK PLACE BECAUSE THAT WAS A SUBDIVISION.

WOULD YOU.

BUT MY POINT IS DIRECTLY SOUTH OF YOU, WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IF YOU GO RIGHT ON DOWN SHANKS ROAD, YOU'VE GOT THIS JUST A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

SO, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT HIGH DENSITY THERE AND WE'RE THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S EVEN GOING TO BE PROBABLY TWICE AS MUCH DENSITY AS WHAT'S FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD TO THE SOUTH IS WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF.

YES. SO, YOU KNOW, AS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, YOU KNOW, SINCE ANGLETON PARK PLACE THAT ACTUALLY HAS A LOWER DENSITY BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTUAL SUBDIVISION, WOULD YOU BE MORE TOLERABLE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT DONE ON THE 70 ACRES OR IT'S JUST A NO? WELL, FOR MY PERSONAL OPINION, YES, BECAUSE YOU NOW YOU'RE SPREADING OUT A LITTLE BIT.

YOU'RE GETTING A LARGER LOT MORE TO CONDUCIVE TO ACTUAL HOMES.

FRONT YARD, BACKYARD.

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SIDEWALK. FOR THE MOST PART, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BRING MORE ENHANCEMENT TO THE SOUTHERN END OF OUR CITY THAN WHAT I OLD AGE SAYS.

A MOBILE HOME PARK.

CORRECT. TO HELP THE CONVERSATION, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PLANS ON ANNEXATION OR NOT? THE MIKE MORGAN.

HE DOES WANT TO GET CITY UTILITIES TO BOTH TRACKS, AND HE WOULD PAY FOR THOSE EXTENSIONS.

BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS IF HE'S GOING TO GET CITY UTILITIES, HE'S WILLING TO ANNEX, IS THAT THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU ALL WOULD HAVE IS TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S GOING TOO FAR AS AN ACTION IS MORE JUST THEY CAN'T MAKE A FORMAL DECISION.

BUT I MEAN, ALL I WANT TO SAY IS HE'S WILLING TO ANNEX.

THAT'S. I THINK MY CONCERN IS NOT ABOUT ANNEXATION.

I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT CAN'T HANDLE THIS.

AND THAT'S NUMBER ONE REASON I'M AGAINST IT.

NUMBER TWO IS I DON'T SEE US HAVING THAT HIGH DENSITY DOWN THERE.

I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GAIN.

WE'RE GOING TO PRESSURE OUR SCHOOLS, WE'RE GOING TO PRESSURE OUR UTILITIES.

WE'RE GOING TO PRESSURE THE SURROUNDING ROADWAYS.

THAT, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, WE'RE NOT READY FOR YET.

AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED, IN MY OPINION, TO HAVE LESS, MUCH LESS DENSITY THAN THIS.

FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS.

OKAY. JUST TO KIND OF QUANTIFY IT, I MEAN, WOULD YOU THINK OF A DENSITY OF LIKE AN SF FIVE AND SF SIX OR SF SEVEN? I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING ME.

I'M LOOKING FOR WHEREVER IT FITS OUT ON A 60 FOOT LOT.

OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK YOU'VE GOT. WELL, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION I THINK MAY HELP WITH ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE ARE KIND OF AT A LIMIT ON AVAILABLE FOR LACK OF OTHER TERM, THE TAPS AVAILABLE.

IS IT THE WATER AND THE SEWER? BOTH. SO WE REALLY AT THIS POINT ARE IN A POSITION WE HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE FAVORITES, I GUESS.

WHICH MAKES IT HARD AND IT'S KIND OF.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BASICALLY RATIONING OUR RESOURCES UNTIL WE CAN GET TO A POINT.

WE CAN GET BEYOND THAT AND BE MORE OPEN.

SO. FOR WHATEVER WORD.

THAT'S A QUESTION.

COMMENT. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE COMMENT ON A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN FOR A RENT TO BUILD COMMUNITY ON CAHILL ROAD.

[7. Presentation, discussion, and possible comment on a conceptual site plan, for a Rent-to-Build Community on Cahill Road. The proposed project consists of 5.17 acres Rental Community, 30 Rental Townhouse Units & Amenity Center. No action is required.]

30 RENTAL TOWN HOUSE UNITS AND AMENITY CENTER WHICH IS REQUIRED.

WE HAVE A. OK, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

HELLO. MY NAME IS LISA PELTIER, AND I AM HERE TO REPRESENT MY DEVELOPERS.

JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

I'M FROM ANGLETON.

I'M NOT FROM ANGLETON. I'VE LIVED IN ANGLETON FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW.

MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY IS FROM THIS AREA, SO MY HEART IS FOR SURE HERE.

I BECAME A REALTOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO AND DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SELL HERE.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, BEFORE ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WERE HERE, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF INVENTORY.

SO I WENT TO HOUSTON IS WHERE I MET MY DEVELOPERS.

I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY'RE MORE ON THE LUXURY END OF DEVELOPMENTS.

WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IN HOUSTON.

WITH THE EXPLOSION OF SUBDIVISIONS DOWN HERE.

I WAS LIKE, I REALLY NEED Y'ALL TO COME DOWN TO ANGLETON AND JUST LOOK AROUND.

I NEED YOU TO JUST CHECK OUT OUR CITY AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THEY DID. AND THEY LOVE IT DOWN HERE.

AND I FOUND THEM.

THIS TRACK OF LAND, IT'S 5.17 ACRES AND SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE OUR CITY IS LACKING IS HIGH END RENTAL PROPERTIES.

SO RIGHT NOW, WITH THE WITH THE ECONOMY AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH INTEREST RATES, I MEAN, WE'RE LIKE SEVEN PLUS NOW WITH WITH THE PROJECTION OF ANOTHER BOOST IN INTEREST, PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY STARTER FAMILIES, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY A HOME.

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I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT 250 ON THE LOW SIDE.

THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING UNDER TO 52 TO 60 AND ANY DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE GONE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE AND SHOPPED EVERY ONE OF THEM AND THEY GO UP TO ABOUT 650.

AND FOR SOMEONE THAT'S JUST MAKING AN AVERAGE INCOME, YOU CAN FORGET IT.

THAT'S PRICING THEM RIGHT OUT OF THE MARKET.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO ME BEING HERE AND JUST FEELING LIKE WE NEED TO FILL THE VOID OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING DECENT MONEY AT PLANTS THAT LIVE AROUND HERE, THAT ARE NEW FAMILIES GETTING MARRIED, YOUNG KIDS, AND THEY WANT TO BUY A HOME AND CAN'T.

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO RENTALS IN ANGLETON THAT ARE THAT AREN'T FROM 1930, 1950, POSSIBLY BEEN REDONE SMALLER.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S NEW, REALLY NICE THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LIVING IN.

WE'RE TALKING ON HIGHER END.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 HOMES, A GATED COMMUNITY.

IT WILL BE IN THE HOA.

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE AIRBNBS.

IT'LL HAVE A COMMUNITY POOL, IT'LL HAVE A SPLASH PAD, IT'LL HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT A LITTLE SUBDIVISION WILL HAVE.

BUT THESE, IF YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES, THESE WILL BE REALLY NICE.

HIGH END. YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 1717 50 SQUARE FEET, THREE, TWO AND ONE HALF TO THREE THREES, MORE OF A TOWNHOME LOOK TO THEM.

BUT THEY WILL BE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES WITH THEIR OWN LITTLE BACKYARD DRIVEWAY.

EACH HOME IS SEPARATE, THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED AND BUILD TO RENT.

IT'S ACTUALLY CALLED A BTR.

IT'S A BUILD TO RENT. THEY'RE EXTREMELY POPULAR RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW OVER IN BONNIE OR SHARON AREA HOW THEY HAVE THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW.

THAT'S AN ENTIRE BTR.

IT'S 800 HOMES IS WHAT THAT'S GOING TO END UP BEING.

AND IT'S AN ENTIRE BUILD TO RENT COMMUNITY.

THOSE HOMES AVERAGE ABOUT 1600 SQUARE FEET AND ARE GOING FOR ABOUT 1900 A MONTH.

OURS WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE PLUS SIDE OF 2000 A MONTH.

BUT WE JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NEED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY.

I KNOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FOR MIGUEL TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ON THE ROAD SITUATION.

AND WE'RE THEY'RE INTERESTED IN BUILDING OUT THAT ROAD FROM CAHILL TO TO AT LEAST TO THE BACK SIDE IN SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN TELL THAT TOP ROAD UP THERE THAT GOES ACROSS ALL THE WAY TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.

BUT EVEN THINKING WE COULD GO TO GIFFORD.

AND BUILD OUT. THAT'S AN ACTUAL EASEMENT RIGHT NOW THAT IS RAISED LIKE A ROAD IS JUST GRASSED OVER.

SO IT'D BE REALLY EASY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT A ROAD AND THEN IMPROVE THE ROAD FROM SHANKS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AT THE END OF THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S A ROAD THERE NOW, BUT IT IS PRETTY SMALL AND OLD.

SO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE THAT WOULD BE EAST.

IS IS THAT PROPERTY? ARE YOU LOOKING IN THAT DOWN? AND WE WOULD BE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.

MY DEVELOPER WOULD BE PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY.

RIGHT. SO HE WOULD OWN THE PROPERTY AND THEN WE WOULD BE BUILDING ALL OF THESE OUT AND THEN RENTING THEM AND THERE WOULD BE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT.

THERE WOULD BE AN HOA THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO. HAVE YOU TALKED WITH CITY PEOPLE ABOUT THIS CONCEPT PLAN? ARE WE THE FIRST TO HERE? YOU'RE THE FIRST. OKAY, SO HERE'S THE QUESTION THAT I'VE RAISED.

GIVEN THE PAST, YOU SHOW YOUR DETENTION AREA OVER HERE ON THAT SITE AND PAST COMMENTS ARE WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF TREES.

IS THAT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? I MIGUEL, YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT? THE PLAN IS TO CONFORM WITH THE HERITAGE TREE PLAN.

I DO KNOW THAT POND IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TREES OUT WHEN I PLAN THIS.

YOU KNOW, FROM THE AERIALS, I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE OAK TREES IN THE AREA.

I DID PLAN FOR SOME OF THEM TO GET PRESERVED IN THIS, BUT IT'S NOT OFFICIAL.

IT'S JUST A GUESS BASED ON AREAS.

WE'LL DO AN ACTUAL TREE SURVEY.

OKAY. YEAH. SURE.

SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ONCE YOU CONSTRUCT ALL OF THIS, DO THEY BECOME RENT TO OWN?

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THAT'S NOT THE PLAN.

THERE'S SO MUCH TO BUY HERE THAT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S NECESSARY.

I FEEL LIKE WHAT PEOPLE NEED ARE REALLY NICE NEW RENTALS.

THAT'S JUST SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, CORRECT? THE CONCERN THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION MOST WAS I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT WANTED TO DO THE ROADWAY WITHOUT OUR NORMAL CURVE AND GUTTERS THAT WE'RE REQUIRING. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE FLEXIBLE ON THAT.

IF YOU REQUIRE CURBS AND GUTTERS, THEN, I MEAN, WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE OF STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON THE FRONTAGE HAVE TO BE CONCRETE ROAD AND GUTTERS, STORM SEWER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID TALK WITH LISA ON IS AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WE WOULD GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO.

PAVED THE REST OF HILL ROAD BETWEEN GIFFORD AND SHANKS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ASKING WHAT YOU THINK YOU WOULD LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF DOING JUST HAVING A SITUATION WHERE.

RIGHT NOW THE ROAD'S ASPHALT, AND THEN WE PROVIDE OUR CONCRETE SECTION FOR THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEN. JUST DO THAT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE SEEING THE CONNECTIVITY? FROM HER PARCEL ALL THE WAY OUT TO GIFFORD ROAD AS AN ALTERNATIVE, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE FINISHING OUT A ROAD THERE.

IT IS GRASS AT THE MOMENT, BUT THAT WOULD BE ASKING FOR US TO PAVE THAT ROAD AS A ROADSIDE DITCH.

I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE, IT'S I MEAN, WE'LL PLAY BY THE RULES.

IT'S JUST WE THINK THAT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA.

TECHNICALLY, THOUGH, YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN WOULD WANT COULD POSSIBLY WORK.

NOT THAT MANY DO, BUT THEY COULD WALK TO SCHOOL.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SIDEWALKS.

AND TRAFFIC MOVING THROUGH THERE IF YOU'VE GOT KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL.

SO SIDEWALKS WOULD HAVE TO BE.

YES, DEFINITELY.

THE THING THAT I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW, I HATE TO BE TO BEAT THIS HORSE.

WHAT ARE YOUR LOT SIZES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE HOUSES? AND THEN WHERE IS THE THINKING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE UTILITIES IN THE WATER? SO THIS WILL BE ONE LOT AS A PLAT.

BUT THE UNITS THAT ARE THERE, THEY'RE ABOUT 41 FOOT WIDE AND 80 FOOT DEEP.

AND HOW. WHERE WILL YOU PUT THE UTILITIES? THE UTILITIES WILL BE IN A 20 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT ALONG THE ROADWAY THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE FRONT.

IN THE FRONT. CORRECT. DIDN'T CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE.

I THOUGHT WE DID. I KNOW IT CAME UP IN DISCUSSION.

WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES.

YEAH, I THINK WE THE ORDINANCE IS THAT THEY CAN'T BE IN FRONT.

BUT THIS IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS THIS IS ALMOST LIKE APARTMENTS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE BETWEEN THEM.

THEY'RE. CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT IT IS, IS EVERYONE'S GOT THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING, THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PARKING SPACE IN FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING.

RIGHT. IF YOU DON'T DO THE SEPARATE LOT, YOU MAY NEED TO PETITION FOR A PD OR A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE EXPLAINING.

BUT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, THIS WON'T APPLY.

IT WON'T MEET THE CODE.

WE ONLY HAVE THE INTERIOR.

YEAH. YEAH. I DIDN'T RECEIVE THE FRONT RENDERING.

WELL, THAT'S ALL I GOT. PRECISELY.

OK. I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE IS DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TAPS AVAILABLE FOR UTILITIES AND COUNCIL KEEPS UP WITH THAT BETTER THAN WE DO.

BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT IT MORE OFTEN.

SO I'M GOING TO DO WHAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO DO.

BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED WE NEED TO BE HELPING ADVISE THEM WITH GOOD INFORMATION.

INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM TAKE THE TOTAL CONTROL OR ELSE, WHY ARE WE HERE?

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BUT WHAT WILL? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO COUNCIL IF THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN.

WE'RE SITTING HERE IN ANGLETON AND AS WE'VE SEEN AND YOU ASIDE, BECAUSE I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION IS GREAT.

I UNDERSTAND IT.

GREAT. WE'RE SITTING ON PROPERTY HERE IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON THAT'S OPEN AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE HERE AS AS NOTED.

BUT NOT THAT WE'RE SITTING IN THE CATBIRD SEAT, FOLKS.

I MEAN, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH ARE BUILT OUT OR ABOUT TO BE UNLESS THEY CAN GET FLOOD ZONE RULES CHANGED.

WE'RE SITTING IN A DRY AREA AND EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING IN FRONT OF US AS THIS BODY AND TO OUR CITY IS EITHER RENTAL PROPERTY OR VERY NARROW HIGH DENSITY.

WE'RE NOT.

TO ME. I JUST THINK OUR OPEN AREAS, WE NEED TO BE VERY PROTECTIVE OF THEM AND HOW WE'RE DEVELOPING THEM.

AND NOT THAT THIS IS A BAD DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S NOT MY POINT.

I JUST THINK THAT OUR OPEN AREA IN THE LAND AVAILABLE IN THIS CITY DESERVES BETTER.

I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT ENOUGH RENTAL PROPERTIES WITH WITH NOT WITHIN THE CITY PROPER, BUT WHAT'S TRYING TO COME AROUND US IN OUR ATJ.

ALL OF THAT IS SMALL DEVELOPMENT, SMALL HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

DON'T WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE? I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THESE HERITAGE OAKS TYPE THINGS AND THEY'RE SELLING OUT THE MINUTE YOU GET THEM DONE, THEY'RE SELLING OUT.

NOW, THEY MAY NOT BE NOW WITH INTEREST RATES RISING, BUT THAT TOO, WILL PASS.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE A LOT MORE CONSIDERATION TO THE USAGE OF OUR OPEN AREAS THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

AGAIN, THAT'S MY OPINION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THIS ENTIRE BODY'S OPINION, BUT YOU ASK, SO YOU GOT IT.

I AGREE. I THINK WE NEED BALANCE.

YEAH, I SHARE THAT OPINION AS WELL.

AND I ALSO THINK THE OTHER DYNAMIC OF HAVING A BUNCH OF RENTAL IS THERE'S A HIGHER TURNAROUND OR A BUNCH OF THOSE AREN'T PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AS VESTED IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK IT TAKES A TOLL ON OUR SCHOOLS WITH HIGH TURNAROUND.

SO. SORRY, MIGUEL.

NO, I APPRECIATE IT. THE.

BEFORE CLOSING THIS OFF.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE ZONED FOR F SEVEN.

YOU KNOW, LISA, WERE TO PURSUE THIS, SHE'D BE REZONING TO MULTIFAMILY.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE IT.

YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES ARE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD SPACE IN BETWEEN EACH OTHER, GOING TO HAVE 15 FOOT.

BUT, UM, YOUR OPINION, MAN.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OVER THERE? NO. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE COMING AS A REZONING WITH PUBLIC OPINION, RIGHT? THIS IS ALL JUST FEASIBILITY.

RIGHT. GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER BUSINESS? MAY I ASK A QUESTION THAT SORT OF RELATED?

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WE CAN DO AN ADJOURNMENT.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A GOOD LONG WHILE, AND I KNOW A LOT OF IT APPLIES.

AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

WHEN WE CHANGE THE ZONING LAWS BACK IN 2009, BECAUSE I WAS BLESSED WITH BEING PUT ON COUNCIL LIKE THE DAY OF THAT FIRST VOTE.

AND THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH HOW SOME THINGS WERE ZONED.

SO DO WE HAVE ANYTHING KIND OF IN THE WORKS, THIS COUNCIL THINKING IN TERMS OF UPDATING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ACTUALLY LOOKING SERIOUSLY AT GOOD LAND USE INSTEAD OF WHAT PEOPLE KIND OF DID IN THE PAST? I THINK TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR INTEREST AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, WHICH WOULD ADDRESS A LOT OF THIS COMMISSION'S CONCERNS.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S COMING UP THAT WE COULD HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME PARTICIPATION IN SO WE UNDERSTAND IT AND ALSO MAY HAVE SOME INPUT? YES. AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES TO UPDATE THE COMP PLAN.

SO THAT IS IN THE WORKS.

SO HOPEFULLY SOON WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE CDS ARM WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE ADVISORY COMMITTEE METHOD OR A CONSULTANT.

SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DO THE CONSULTING, THEY DO A COOKIE CUTTER PLAN AND IT'S NOT THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO WEIGH THE BEST OPTION.

AND THERE ARE SOME FUNDING SOURCES OUT THERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

SO HOPEFULLY SOON WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WE DON'T NEED TO THROW THE PLAN ON THE SHELF.

WE NEED TO USE THAT AS A TOOL TO COMMUNICATE BETWEEN YOU AND THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC.

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BUT WE SHOULD HAVE UPDATES EVERY FIVE YEARS, DEFINITELY TO THE LAND USE PLAN.

YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD HELP THOSE OF US THAT.

AND IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THOSE WHO WANT TO DO DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE IT'S EMBARRASSING TO ME TO HAVE TO SAY, OH, WE CAN'T JUST WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS BECAUSE I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE A SUCCESS. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR JOBS, WE HAVE TO THINK IN TERMS OF THE BIG PICTURE.

SO IF WE COULD JUST.

I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING SOME PIECES.

EXACTLY. IN ALL OF YOUR STAFF REPORTS SHOULD SHOULD MENTION THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE OF IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I TALKED ABOUT ON THE ONSET WHEN I CAME.

BUT YOU'LL SEE MORE OF IT, I THINK, IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.