Nov 08, 2022 City Council

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HOLD ON. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.

ONE COUNCIL MEMBER IS RUNNING A FEW MINUTES LATE, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL US TO ORDER.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND INVOCATION.

I'M GOING TO HAVE CHIEF MYERS LEAD US IN OUR PLEDGE.

AND COUNCILMAN BOOTH LEADS IN INVOCATION, IF YOU PLEASE RISE.

BOW WITH ME, PLEASE. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US.

WE THANK YOU MOSTLY FOR YOUR LOVE, FOR US TO CONCERN FOR US.

AND WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD LEAD US AND GUIDE US TONIGHT.

GIVE US YOUR WISDOM, GIVE US YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND AND TO MAKE PRUDENT DECISIONS, FATHER FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT FATHER FOR SERVICE TO YOU.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME WE HAVE TOGETHER.

TOGETHER PROBABLY TO THANK YOU FOR THE FREEDOM THAT WE HAVE TO FREELY GATHER AND TO TO GO ABOUT THIS BUSINESS.

AND, FATHER, JUST PRAY TODAY THAT THE.

DURING THE ELECTION PROCESS, LAUDED TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU DESIRE TO BE ELECTED AND PUT INTO POSITION.

WHILE WE GIVE YOU PRAISE TONIGHT, THANK YOU IN CHRIST AND WE PRAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR DOING THAT FOR US THIS EVENING.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN TO OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE PART OF THE AGENDA THAT WE CAN DO.

[CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL]

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP AT THE THIS PORTION, AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT SIGNED UP DURING OUR ACTUAL ACTION ITEMS FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THE FIRST TIME TO SPEAK, YOU'LL HAVE ABOUT 3 MINUTES AT THE PODIUM.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WE WILL LISTEN TO THE REMARKS.

AND THEN JUST BECAUSE OF RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, THERE MAY NOT BE AS MUCH INTERACTION TO THE ITEM THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, BUT WE DEFINITELY WILL LISTEN.

WE'LL TELL STAFF, WE'LL POINT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTIONS, MAKE CONTACTS IN THOSE THINGS.

SO DON'T BE OFFENDED IF WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION TO FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT'S NOT A POSTED AGENDA ITEM.

IT'S ONLY FOR YOU TO SPEAK TO US AND TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.

ALL WE ASK IS YOU CAN YELL AND SCREAM, BUT DON'T CUSS AT US.

BUT GO AHEAD. YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM.

SO FIRST UP AND I'LL JUST HAVE THEM AS THE ORDER THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AS MISS TERRI MARSHALL, YOU CAN PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM.

MY NAME IS TERRI MARSHALL, AND I LIVE HERE IN ANGLETON.

AND I WAS COMING HERE BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.

THE MAIN 288 BUSINESS GOES STRAIGHT DOWN, AND EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR CORNER RIGHT THERE.

[INAUDIBLE] I'VE SAID ANYTHING THAT'S EVER ANYBODY'S ASKED ME.

IT WAS. I KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

I'VE NEARLY FELL THERE BEFORE.

AND BUT THE PROBLEM IS NO ONE IS EVERYBODY KNOWS BUT THE CITY OR WHOEVER IS SUPPOSED TO FIX IT HAS NEVER DONE THIS.

AND I WENT ON AUGUST THE 20TH TO A SHOP THERE.

AND WHEN I WAS LEAVING, I'M VERY AWARE I WAS VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE THERE'S NO RAMP GOING DOWN LIKE THERE SHOULD. IT'S ON THIS SIDE.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO GET BACK TO THE PARKING LOT THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DEAL WITH.

AND AND THERE'S NO RAIL FOR YOU TO HOLD ON TO.

BUT I HAD TO STOP.

I STOPPED DOWN A STEP DOWN ON THE FIRST STEP, YOU KNOW, DOWN THERE.

AND I'M WAITING FOR THE LITTLE THING TO TELL ME I COULD GO.

AND THEN WHENEVER IT TOLD ME I TO GO, I STEP DOWN.

THE ROAD IS ON SUCH AN INCLINE AND YOU'VE GOT TO.

THE, I GUESS, ASPHALT GOING ON TO THE SIDEWALK THAT GOES DOWN TO THE DRAINAGE.

WELL, IT'S ALL MIXED UP THERE AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE CROSSWALK.

AND I STEPPED WHEN I DID ALL OF THE THE GRAVEL LOT BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN YOU KNOW RAINING AT THAT TIME.

IT WAS ALL RIGHT THERE.

AND THEN I JUST KIND OF SLID BACK INTO PUTTING UP AGAINST THE DEAL.

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SO I SIT THERE AND I TRY TO GET MYSELF UP BECAUSE NO ONE IS THERE TO HELP ME.

AND I GOT MYSELF GOT MYSELF INTO MY CAR.

AND YOU'LL SEE ON ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT I TOOK WHEN I GOT IN THE CAR, I WAS ABLE TO TAKE A PICTURE OF MY HAND AND JUST SEND IT TO A FRIEND AND CALL MY HUSBAND AND LET HIM KNOW.

AND I HAD TO GO ON AUGUST THE 26 TO A SPECIALIST IN SUGAR LAND TO PUT MY ARM IN TRACTION, GOT THE BONES BACK INTO PLACE AND HAD TO PUT A PLATE IN METAL SCREWS IN THERE.

AND HERE I AM FIXING TO BE 64 ON DECEMBER THE THIRD, AND I HAVE THIS DEAL TO WHERE I CAN'T MOVE MY HAND.

IT WON'T GO LIKE THAT.

AND THIS IS AFTER I'M GOING TO PHYSICAL THERAPY STILL, I CAN MOVE IT ABOUT LIKE THAT.

BUT IT HURTS.

IT'S VERY, VERY PAINFUL.

IN THE MORNINGS I GET MY SILLY PUTTY AND I WORK WITH THAT.

BUT I CAN'T PICK MY GRANDKIDS UP.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T THINK.

AND EVERYBODY SAYS, USE YOUR LEFT HAND.

BUT IF YOU EVER TRIED TO HOLD A BOTTLE THAT YOU CAN'T HOLD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HOLD SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO UNSCREW IT WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND.

SO EVERYBODY TRY TO DO NOTHING WITH YOUR LEFT HAND AND DO IT.

IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU CAN'T TAKE A BOTTLE OF OPEN THE LID OF YOUR BOTTLE.

AND SO IT JUST MAKES IT REALLY HARD.

AND TO THINK THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THIS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE ON WHATEVER PROBLEMS THAT I'VE GOT COMING TOWARDS ME. SO I CAME BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHO TO COME TO.

EVERYONE HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD.

YOU NEED TO GET THIS FIXED.

YOU NEED TO TALK TO AN ATTORNEY.

YOU NEED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE DONE.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS LIABLE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I CAME FOR.

YEAH. DO I LIKE HAVING TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY THAT I'M HAVING TO SPEND OUT BECAUSE I'VE HAD THIS SURGERY? WASN'T FREE.

MY PHYSICAL THERAPY IS NOT FREE.

AND IT JUST MAKES ME MAD THAT WE HAD THIS PART IN THE TOWN.

THEY KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND NOBODY WANTS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT.

AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SMALL KID THAT FELL AND BUSTED THEIR HEAD, OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN OLDER OR EVEN MYSELF THAT THAT COULD HAVE KILLED THEM.

AND I'M JUST HERE, TO KNOW WHAT MY RIGHTS ARE, WHAT I CAN DO, WHAT? THE CITY. I'VE LIVED IN BRAZORIA COUNTY FOR DECEMBER THE THIRD WILL BE 64 YEARS AND I HAVE LIVED IN ANGLETON FOR 24 YEARS BECAUSE I WAS RAISED IN LAKE JACKSON.

SO THAT IS MY WHAT I WANTED TO PUT BEFORE THE BOARD TO GET ANY KIND OF SUGGESTIONS.

MS.. MARSHALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU'RE DOING OKAY.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE FOR YOUR FOR MOVING FORWARD AND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.

WE DO HAVE YOUR INFORMATION HERE.

I WILL GIVE IT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

GET SOMEBODY IN CONTACT WITH YOU AND CONSULT ALSO WITH OUR STAFF AND SEE.

I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT SIDEWALKS ALL OVER THE CITY, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS BUILT MANY YEARS BEFORE MOST OF US SITTING AT THIS TABLE OR MAYBE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH OUR SIDEWALKS IN OUR CITY.

SO IT'S NOT GOING UNNOTICED.

WE'VE HAD LENGTHY CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT, WITH SIDEWALKS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT THAT'S WHERE I CAN GO WITH IT.

BUT I'LL PASS THIS ON TO STAFF.

LET THEM REACH OUT TO YOU AND GIVE THEM TILL TOMORROW AND SOMEBODY SHOULD BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU.

AND THE NUMBER YOU WROTE HERE IS A GOOD CONTACT NUMBER FOR YOU.

OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.

OK NEXT UP.

MR. JOE SMITHERMAN.

COME ON UP, SIR.

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MY NAME IS JOE SMITHERMAN.

I'VE LIVED IN ANGLETON FOR THE LAST 37 YEARS IN THE SAME HOUSE.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT VEHICLE NOISE AND [INAUDIBLE] THERE'S A VEHICLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A VERY LOUD EXHAUST.

SO YOU MIGHT THINK THAT I SHOULD JUST CALL THE APD AND IT'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

WELL, I DID THAT.

NOT ONLY DID I CALL THEM, I CALL THEM ABOUT FIVE OR SIX TIMES.

I MADE AN APPOINTMENT AND I TALKED TO THE CHIEF.

I MADE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT.

I WENT BACK AND TALKED TO A LIEUTENANT.

I TALKED TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF AND ALSO SEVERAL PATROL OFFICERS.

MY VIDEO WAS SOUND SHOWING DECIBELS DID NOT DECIBELS DID NOT INTEREST THEM.

I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS TOLD BY APD, THAT THEY WENT BY THE STATE RULE, WHICH IS 85 DECIBELS, AND THAT AND THAT IF I WERE TO PRESS CHARGES, I WOULD HAVE TO FILE IN COURT AND PROVE IT MYSELF.

I WAS TOLD THAT THE INDIVIDUAL HAD MESSED UP HIS EXHAUST SYSTEM AND HE WAS GOING TO FIX IT.

I WAS TOLD IT SOUNDED LIKE HE HAD IT SET UP FOR RACING.

THEY WOULD CHECK IT OUT.

I WAS TOLD THAT IF THE VEHICLE HAS A FRONT INSPECTION STICKER FROM TEXAS, THAT IT'S LEGAL AS IT IS, NOT CORRECT.

I WAS TOLD THAT A VEHICLE HAD AN ENGINE SET UP LIKE THAT COULD NOT BE OPERATED WITH A NORMAL MUFFLER.

I WAS ASKING WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.

STOP EVERY VEHICLE IN TOWN WITH LOUD EXHAUST.

YES. IF THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW.

I WAS FACETIOUSLY TOLD THAT I SHOULD MENTION TO CITY COUNCIL HOW MANY TIMES I HAD CALLED THEM.

SO NOW I'VE DONE THAT.

SINCE ANGLETON DOES NOT HAVE A NOISE LAW FOR VEHICLES, I DID RESEARCH.

THE VERY SIMPLE ANSWER IS FOUND IN TRANSPORTATION CODE 57.604.

IT'S TWO SHORT SENTENCES.

Y'ALL HAVE A PASS OUT UP THERE.

I QUOTE, A MOTOR VEHICLE SHALL BE EQUIPPED WITH A MUFFLER IN GOOD WORKING CONDITION THAT CONTINUALLY OPERATES TO PREVENT EXCESSIVE OR UNUSUAL NOISE.

A PERSON MAY NOT USE A MUFFLER CUTOUT, [INAUDIBLE] OR SIMILAR DEVICE ON A MOTOR VEHICLE.

ALSO FOUND A CASE STUDY AT LEGAL BEAGLE DOT COM THAT READS AND I QUOTE.

SINCE TEXAS LACKS SPECIFIC DECIBEL GUIDANCE, EXCESSIVE AND UNUSUAL.

THAT'S A QUOTE IS THE APPLICABLE STANDARD IN AGUILAR VERSUS STATE OF TEXAS.

A TEXAS APPELLATE COURT REVIEWED A CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE CLAIMING THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS VAGUE AND THUS UNENFORCEABLE.

SINCE SECTION 447 EXCUSE ME, 547.604 DOES NOT SPECIFY DECIBEL LEVEL.

THE COURT REJECTED THIS CHALLENGE, NOTING THAT THE TERMS IMPLY THAT NOISE MUST BE OUTSIDE NORMAL STANDARD FOR MOTOR VEHICLES.

WHICH ORDINARY PERSONS CAN OBJECTIVELY DETERMINE [INAUDIBLE] AFTER HEARING THE STATE LAW, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO HEAR MY VIDEO THAT I TOOK ON MY BLOG AT THE HIGH POINT IN THIS VIDEO.

IT COMES OUT TO 83.7 DECIBELS.

AND I'M STANDING IN MY DRIVEWAY AND I'M POINTING GOING AROUND THE CORNER.

WHEN IT GOES AROUND THE CORNER AND YOU HEAR THE LAST NOISE.

HE'S ONE HALF CITY BLOCK FROM MY HOUSE.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET IT GOING HERE.

HE'S COMING AROUND THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW.

JUST GIVE IT ONE MINUTE, HE'S COMING.

HE'S A HALF A BLOCK FROM MY HOUSE HERE.

ANGLETON IS A GROWING CITY WITH A LOT OF VEHICLE NOISE, SOME OF WHICH IS ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY.

WE NEED A CODE THAT IS SPECIFIC SO AN OFFICER CAN STOP SOMEONE AND SAY YOU ARE VIOLATING ANGLETON CODE NUMBER, WHATEVER.

THE NOISE CODE FROM CITY OF ANGLETON OF 2013 IS NOT SUFFICIENT.

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547.604. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

AND SINCERELY, I HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS MATTER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

OKAY, MR. SMITH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LIKE I SAID, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S HARD TO INTERACT WITH YOU BECAUSE OF WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T SAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSTED.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE'VE HEARD IT, BUT NOW IT'S IN OUR EAR.

I'M SORRY. NO PUN INTENDED.

BUT WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST NOW.

SO WE WILL GET WITH STAFF MYSELF, ESPECIALLY.

WE'LL GET WITH CHRIS. I'LL GET WITH CHIEF, TOO, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS CAN WE DO AS A CITY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO CONSULT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AS WELL, WHO REPRESENTS OUR CITY, GIVES US ADVICE, AND BUT WE WILL AT LEAST GET BACK WITH YOU TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT COURSE OF ACTION MAY OR MAY NOT CAN BE TAKEN.

WILL THAT WORK? WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTACT ME.

I JUST LIKE SOMETHING DONE.

OKAY, WELL, WE HAVE IT.

I WILL PASS IT ON DOWN.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. MR..

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS.

WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ONES TONIGHT.

THE FIRST ONE WILL BE A PROCLAMATION PRESENTED BY THE MAYOR, AND THEN WE WILL DO PRESENTATION OF EMPLOYEE SERVICE AWARDS AND THEN WE WILL DO PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES

[1. Presentation of Proclamation by the Mayor.]

SO FIRST UP, WE HAVE IS A PROCLAMATION BY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO A COUPLE WHO ARE PILLARS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE A JUDGE AND JUDGE CAN COME FORWARD.

WHEREAS A LOT OF US, THOUGH, WITH MORE COUNTRY HOMES COME ON OUT.

YOU WOULD CATCH ME BY SURPRISE.

YEAH. WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET ANOTHER GRANDBABY.

OH, WOW. THIS IS CLOSE.

LET'S JUST HOPE THIS WASN'T MY JOURNEY.

I HAD NO CHANCE. SO WE WERE PRESENTED.

I WAS GIVEN A QUESTION THAT SAID, HEY, WE HAVE A VERY AMAZING INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY ALL ALL THE TIME.

BUT WE ARE EXTRAORDINARY.

A COUPLE OF THAT WE THINK ARE PILLARS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S ONE THING THAT I GET TO DO AS MAYOR IS I GET TO RECOGNIZE FOLKS OR ACTS OR DEEDS THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.

YOU KNOW, THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS, THEY DO IT EVERY DAY.

AND SO WE WANT TO HONOR YOU GUYS.

YOU KNOW, RETIREMENT IS DOWN THE ROAD AND WE WANT MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE KNOW AND RECOGNIZE YOUR EFFORTS.

BUT Y'ALL GOT ME BY GIVING Y'ALL GUYS A PROCLAMATION.

SO GIVE ME A MOMENT. I'LL READ IT FOR YOU.

IT'S OFFICE OF THE MAYOR, CITY OF ANGLETON IN TEXAS PROCLAMATION.

WHEREAS FAITHFUL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR 40 YEARS, MARK AND TERRY HOLDER HAVE DEVOTED THEIR LIVES TO SERVING THE PEOPLE OF ANGLETON IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

AND. WHEREAS, MARK AND TERRY HAVE BEEN MARRIED 41 YEARS, HAVE THREE CHILDREN AND TEN GRANDCHILDREN, NOT ANOTHER ONE, AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THEIR CHURCH, SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH IN ANGLETON.

AND. WHEREAS, THEY GRADUATED IN 1982 WITH A DEGREE FROM THE SOUTH TEXAS COLLEGE OF LAW, OWN A PRIVATE PRACTICE SPECIALIZING IN FAMILY LAW IN DOWNTOWN ANGLETON AND BECAME ELECTED JUDGES IN ORANGE COUNTY.

WHEREAS MARK WAS ELECTED IN 2002 AND IS PRESIDING OVER COUNTY COURT IN BRAZORIA COUNTY AND HAS SERVED AS THE ROTARY MEMBER TAUGHT CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT ANGLETON COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

SERVE AS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, VOLUNTEERED COUNTLESS HOURS COACHING AND UMPIRING WITH THE ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL.

HAS BEEN A SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER AND MUSICIAN WITH HIS CHURCH.

AND. WHEREAS, KERRY WAS ELECTED IN 2002 AND BECAME THE FIRST FEMALE DISTRICT COURT JUDGE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

HE FOUNDED BRAZORIA COUNTY VETERANS COURT IN 2016.

IT WILL MOVE THE COUNTY'S FOUR KIDS STAGE PROGRAM, AND IT'S BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THE DETROIT COUNTY PRESS ASSOCIATION AND THE CHIEF ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE FREEPORT POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND.

WHEREAS, MANY RESIDENTS, FRIENDS AND FAMILY WANT TO RECOGNIZE TERMS OF GREAT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY, THEY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS OF ANGLETON TO TAKE A MOMENT TO HONOR THEM UPON THEIR RETIREMENT.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JASON PEREZ, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS, ALONG WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL, YOU HEREBY PROCLAIM TO ALL CITIZENS AND SET STILL HERE TO HEAR TO FRIDAY.

WELL, ON FRIDAY, DECEMBER, THE NIGHT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY RETIRE.

2022 IS MARK AND TERRI HOLDER DAY.

SIGNED THIS DAY. CONGRATULATIONS.

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SO YOU CAN GET THIS LETTER.

BUT THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS AND COMING IN FOR A PHOTO OP FAMILY, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE PHOTO.

YOU KNOW, THE GUEST OF HONOR IS UP HERE.

THEN YOU GOT FAMILY HERE? YEAH. THREE. THE TWO.

OKAY, WELL, COME ON UP. SUPPOSED TO.

COME ON UP. RIGHT.

YOU KNOW. [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU KNOW.

NO MORE? NO.

OH. LET ME.

GET THE MONEY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

NOW WE HAVE OUR PRESENTATION OF SERVICE AWARD.

[2. Presentation of employee service awards.]

TONIGHT, WE RECOGNIZE TWO EMPLOYEES WHO COULD NOT BE WITH US THIS EVENING.

AND THEY HAVE FIVE YEARS OF SERVICE.

THEY ARE MARISSA MARTINEZ, WHO IS A TELECOMMUNICATIONS OFFICER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND JIMMY MCGOWAN, WHO IS A MAINTENANCE TECH WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

AND SO NOW I WILL MOVE ON TO THE CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION.

[3. Presentation of Certificates of Appreciation.]

SO AS I CALL YOUR NAME UP, YOU WILL COME UP FRONT AND RECEIVE YOUR CERTIFICATES.

ANDREW MORGAN, BRANDY FALLON.

THEY ARE NOT HERE. CAPTAIN ANTHONY NORRIS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

COLTON [INAUDIBLE] WITH IT.

CHIEF VALDEZ. KOURTNEY LANDERS WITH COMMUNICATIONS.

EMILY KAIDENHEAD.

REX CENTER. JERRY GONZALES RECREATION CENTER.

HERBIA GARDNER, RECREATION CENTER.

HECTOR RENTERIA JUNIOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

JASON CREWS, IT DIRECTOR.

JASON O'MARA.

JONATHAN CHENEY IT.

HEY, LOOP, YOUR NAME IS CALLED.

I THINK YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UP HERE.

KYLE REYNOLDS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

LIEUTENANT GREGORY MITCHELL.

PERMIT CLERK MARIA BARON, WHO IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.

DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, MARKETING AND TOURISM.

MARTHA IMY. DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, MEGAN MANOR.

DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, OTIS SPRIGGS.

ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, TANISHA WILLIAMS. VICKY CHALET, RECREATION CENTER.

RICHARD GARCIA.

VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

CHRISTOPHER WHITTAKER, CITY MANAGER.

RAFAEL HERNANDEZ, FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SEAN HOGAN, GREAT BUS DRIVER.

FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WHO WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN MAKING THE PARTNERSHIP HAPPEN.

AND WE HAVE ONE OTHER CERTIFICATES FOR MYSELF.

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THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU.

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, I KNOW WE HAD WE BECAME SISTER CITY WITH THE CITY OF BELIZE CITY FROM BELIZE.

AND ALL THESE FOLKS WERE VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN HAVING ALLOWING US TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL VISIT AND CEREMONY FOR THE OFFICIAL SIGNING OF OUR SISTER CITY OF BELIZE.

SO THANK YOU, GUYS. ONCE AGAIN, WE WANT TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE YOU GUYS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT COMPLETES CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES AND THAT COMPLETES CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE MOVEMENT AROUND.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO NUMBER NINE AND TEN, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK UP TO NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT.

SO WE'LL START OFF. NUMBER NINE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVE COMMENT ON A TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO AMEND SECTION 28-81B.

[9. Conduct a public hearing and receive comment on a Text Amendment request to amend Section 28-81(b), Use Regulations (Charts), Section 28-112, Definitions (Cemetery or mausoleum), Adding “Columbarium” as a S.U.P., Specific Use Permit within the CBD, Central Business District, Agricultural (AG), Commercial-General (CG), Commercial- Office/Retail (C-OR), and Light Industrial (LI) Districts.]

CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, AGRICULTURAL, AG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND COMMERCIAL OFFICE RETAIL COR AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LIGHT DISTRICT.

SO WE NEED TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND.

SO I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NINE.

BUT, MR. OTIS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PRESENT AND THEY WILL CALL ANYBODY UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND THANK YOU.

THIS ITEM ACTUALLY WE DISCUSSED IN YOUR LAST MEETING.

SO ALL OF THE INFORMATION REGARDING COLUMN BEARING AND THE DEFINITION THERE AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ITEM WAS PUBLICIZED IN THE PUBLICATION THE FACTS AND IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING DEALING WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADD THE COLUMBARIUM TO OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ALLOW IT AS A AN SUP IN THOSE DISTRICTS NOTED.

SO STAFF OF COURSE, IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ADOPTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.

WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY WANTING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER NINE? NUMBER FOR PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, ISN'T THIS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAD KEPT OPEN? THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO ASK.

THE OTHER ONE WAS NUMBER SEVEN.

THAT ONE WAS WHEN WE GOT THE MINUTES TO BE CLEAN.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.

ALL RIGHT. SECOND CALL FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST NUMBER NINE.

AND THIRD CALL.

MR. MAYOR. I MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND? HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM NUMBER NINE? WE'RE GOOD, RIGHT? YEP.

OKAY, SO NOW WE'LL GO ON TO NUMBER TEN, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 202211008-010,

[10. Discussion and possible action on Ordinance 20221108-010 Text Amendment request to amend Section 28-81(b), Use Regulations (Charts), Section 28-112, Definitions (Cemetery or mausoleum), Adding “Columbarium” as a S.U.P., Specific Use Permit within the CBD, Central Business District, Agricultural (AG), Commercial-General (CG), Commercial- Office/Retail (C-OR), and Light Industrial (LI) Districts.]

DEFINITION OF CEMETERY AND MAUSOLEUM ADDING COLUMBARIUM AS AN SUP SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITHIN THE CBD CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

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SO WE NEED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST THE ACTION ITEM.

OH, EXCELLENT. OKAY.

YEAH, WE THINK TO ADD MR. OTIS. SO RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT IT AND WE WOULD CODIFY THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REFLECT WHAT YOU JUST READ IN TERMS OF THE PERMITTABLE USES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20221108-010.

THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE USE AND REGULATIONS FOR THE COLUMBARIUM AS A SUP.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

WELCOME, MR. GONGORA.

THANK YOU. NOW, I WILL JUMP UP TO NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS, AS WAS STATED, AS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS LEFT OPEN FROM OUR 10:25 MEETING, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING,

[7. Conduct a public hearing and receive comment on a request by Holy Comforter Episcopal Church pursuant to Sec. 28-63, SUP-Specific Use Permits for a Specific Use Permit for a Columbarium Wall in the CBD, Central Business Zoning District at 227 Chenango St./234 S. Arcola St., Angleton, TX.]

SO THIS WAS LEFT OPEN.

ANYTHING YOU'D ADD, MR. OTIS? NO, SIR.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET WERE NOTIFIED OF THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, AND WE ARE JUST REQUESTING THAT THE SUP BE GRANTED FOR THE HOLY COMFORTER CHURCH, FOR THE COLUMBARIUM WALL SUBJECT TO THOSE TWO CONDITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT DEAL WITH OF COURSE THE CHANGES NOTED AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY WILL RETAIN THE COPY OF THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS POLICY AT THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

SO WE ARE AT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM SEVEN.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? GOING TWICE.

THREE TIMES.

COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, GO AHEAD, SIR.

THIS ISSUE AS WELL AS THE NEXT ONE.

I'LL ABSTAIN FROM VOTING BECAUSE THAT IS MY CHURCH.

PORT. THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES, AND NOW WE'RE OUT OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE NUMBER EIGHT FOR ONE.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20221 108-008, A REQUEST BY

[8. Discussion and possible action on Ordinance 20221108-008 a request by Holy Comforter Episcopal Church pursuant to Sec. 28-63, SUP-Specific Use Permits for a Specific Use Permit for a Columbarium Wall in the CBD, Central Business Zoning District at 227 Chenango St./234 S. Arcola St., Angleton, TX.]

MR. OTIS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? ONLY THAT THIS IS AN SUP FOR THE HOLY COMFORTER CHURCH.

AND IT WAS SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE LAST TEXT AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHTY.

COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR. MOVE WE APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20221108-008 GRANTING HOLY COMFORTER EPISCOPAL CHURCH AN SUP FOR A COLUMBARIUM WALL IN THE CBD.

SECOND. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, WRIGHT.

SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD, SIR. WHAT'S HAPPENING AT 234 SOUTH ARCOLA? THAT'S WHERE THE OFFICE IS, ISN'T IT? THE CHURCH OFFICE. YEAH, THESE ARE JUST THE ADDRESSES NOTED ON THE APPLICATION, BUT THE SITE PLAN IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET OF LOCATION.

WILL A SITE PLAN COME? WE'RE GOING TO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SITE PLAN AS IT GETS CLOSER TO CONSTRUCTION OR.

NO, SIR. I THINK THE ONE THAT'S ATTACHED GIVES YOU A GREAT IDEA OF THE LANDSCAPING AND THE LOCATION OF THE WALL.

STAFF WILL COORDINATE THAT.

THEY STAY OUT OF ANY EASEMENTS AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD QUESTIONS ON.

BUT WE FEEL THERE ARE NO FURTHER ISSUES THAT THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO..

KIND OF HOPING WE WOULDN'T NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THEIR BUSINESS.

BUT. OKAY? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BOOTH, FOR THAT QUESTION.

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AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSE, SAME SIGN.

THAT'S NAY.

ZERO NAYS. AND WE DO HAVE ONE ABSTAIN, COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

THAT MOTION DOES CARRY 4-0, 5-0, SORRY MY MATH WAS BAD.

OKAY. THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU, MR. OTIS. AND I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW, I PRACTICED SAYING THAT WORD TODAY SEVERAL TIMES BECAUSE I BUTCHERED IT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I DID IT.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER NOW WE'RE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 11 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ASHLAND SECTION TWO PRELIMINARY PLAT.

SO WE'RE MOVING ITEM NUMBER 11 TO AFTER ITEM NUMBER 16.

OH, OKAY. GOTCHA.

OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO BOUNCE TO ITEM NUMBER 12 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN AGREEMENT WITH COMMUNITY SHOWCASE BANNER LLC AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE

[12. Discussion and possible action on an agreement with Community Showcase Banners, LLC and authorize the City Manager to execute the agreement.]

YES, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU AND INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, WE HAVE NIKKI CARROLL ONLINE WITH US REPRESENTING CGI TO PROVIDE A QUICK PRESENTATION OF WHAT ALL THIS WILL INCLUDE.

AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE EXISTING BANNERS DOWNTOWN ON OUR ANTIQUE STREET LIGHT POLES.

THIS WOULD TAKE THE PLACE OF OUR CURRENT BANNER PROGRAM.

THEY WOULD TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE OF OUR BANNERS, INSTALL NEW BANNERS, AND PROVIDE PRODUCTION OF NEW BANNERS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

THIS IS AN ANNUAL PROGRAM.

IT IS A SPONSORED PROGRAM.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE DETAILS IN THE CONTRACT AND IN YOUR AGENDA SUMMARY OF WHAT ALL THAT WOULD ENTAIL.

AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EXPAND THIS.

WE MINIMALLY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 25 BANNER LOCATIONS.

WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WE EXTEND THIS INTO DICKEY AND FREEDOM PARKS WITH OUR SOLAR LIGHTS AND OUR ANTIQUE STREETLIGHT POLES IN DICKEY PARK, AS WELL AS RIGHT OUT FRONT IN CITY HALL AND ALONG OUR DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR.

SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO NICKY CARROLL.

AND I THINK, COLTON, YOU WILL BE BRINGING UP THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S ITEM 12.

ITEM 12.

AND PAGE 71.

[INAUDIBLE] IS THAT WHERE.

ALL RIGHT, NIKKI, WE ARE READY AND HAVE YOUR.

WE HAVE CHANGED OVER CONTROLS TO YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

HELLO? OH, WAIT, ARE YOU NOW? NIKKI? HI.

OH, GREAT. AM I ABLE TO SHARE MY OWN SCREEN? I HAD A PRESENTATION THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE APROPOS FOR THE SITUATION.

YES. OKAY, GREAT.

DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

I WISH I COULD SEE ALL YOUR LOVELY FACES, BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU CAN SEE MINE.

SO YOU KNOW WHO THE HECK YOU'RE TALKING TO.

SO MY NAME IS NIKKI.

I'M WITH CGI DIGITAL.

WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE TALKING TO YOU TODAY ABOUT A COST FREE DECORATIVE STREET BANNER PROGRAM FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF MY COMPANY, WE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, THE UNITED STATES CONFERENCE OF MAYORS, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND THE NATIONAL CIVIC LEAGUE.

WE ARE ENDORSED BY ALL FOUR OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS FOR OUR PROGRAMS. SO I'M GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN QUICKLY.

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I'M GOING TO START WITH JUST A REALLY QUICK VIDEO.

HANG TIGHT. NICKY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SEE YOUR SCREEN.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. NO PROBLEM.

AND IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT LOUDER AND A LITTLE BIT SLOWER TO HELP.

SO ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN RIGHT NOW? IT SHOULD BE JUST A BLACK SCREEN WITH A TIMER BAR AT THE BOTTOM.

CAN YOU HEAR THAT? YES.

DID YOU KNOW THAT EVEN BEFORE WE BECAME CGI DIGITAL, WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING COST FREE BANNERS TO COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

OUR COST FREE BANNER PROGRAM IS AN EASY WAY TO DECORATE YOUR COMMUNITY STREETS, REINFORCE YOUR COMMUNITY BRANDING, IDENTIFY KEY CORRIDORS, CELEBRATE ANNIVERSARIES, OR SHOWCASE PATRIOTIC PRIDE.

OUR TEAM OF GRAPHIC DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WILL WORK WITH YOU TO BRING YOUR VISION TO LIFE WITH CUSTOM ARTWORK.

CGI THEN TAKES CARE OF ALL INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE, PROVIDES YOU WITH ANY NEEDED BRACKETS AND HARDWARE.

AND WE EVEN CARRY INSURANCE SO THAT THE BANNERS CAN BE REPLACED IF THEY EVER GET DAMAGED.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT OUR PROGRAM IS SET UP SO THAT YOU GET TO REDESIGN YOUR BANNERS AND RECEIVE A BRAND NEW FRESH SET EVERY SINGLE YEAR, ENSURING THAT YOUR MESSAGING IS ALWAYS RELEVANT AND YOUR STREETS ARE ALWAYS LOOKING BEAUTIFUL.

AND THE BEST PART? YOU GET ALL THIS AND MORE FOR FREE.

WHO DOESN'T LOVE FREE? CONTACT US TODAY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS FREE PROGRAM FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO JUST A LITTLE INTRODUCTION TO OUR PROGRAM AND KIND OF GIVING YOU A REALLY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO.

I'D LIKE TO DIVE INTO THE DETAILS.

I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH ALL OF THE PROGRAM, DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE INITIATIVE, AND THEN I CAN OPEN IT UP FOR CONVERSATION AND QUESTIONS AT THE END.

SO A BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT CGI.

WE'VE BEEN DOING COST FREE MARKETING PROGRAMS LIKE THIS ONE FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW.

THROUGHOUT THOSE 30 YEARS, WE'VE WORKED WITH OVER 5000 COMMUNITIES, OVER 50,000 BUSINESSES, AND OUR BANNER PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY OUR OLDEST RUNNING PROGRAM.

THIS IS HOW WE GOT OUR START AS A COMPANY, LEARNING HOW TO PARTNER WITH MUNICIPALITIES AS WE GREW.

LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, WE BECAME ENDORSED BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, THE UNITED STATES CONFERENCE OF MAYORS.

THEY ALL ENDORSE US AND PARTNER WITH US BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN OUR PROGRAMS AND THEY BELIEVE IN OUR COMPANY.

WE ALSO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP AND OUR ENDORSED BY THE NATIONAL CIVIC LEAGUE AND THE NATIONAL CIVIC LEAGUE EVERY SINGLE YEAR SELECTS TEN COMMUNITIES THAT THEY PRESENT THE ALL-AMERICA CITY AWARD TO, AND THEY HAVE DESIGNATED US THE SINGLE AND PREMIER PROVIDER OF THE ALL-AMERICA CITY DECORATIVE STREET BANNER PROGRAM.

SO WE'RE THE ONLY COMPANY IN THE COUNTRY THAT'S ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL CIVIC LEAGUE.

SO THIS BANNER PROGRAM IS A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.

MOVING ON TO THE HOW THE PROGRAM ITSELF WORKS, THE BANNERS THEMSELVES ARE CUSTOM SIZED TO FIT THE POLES THAT YOU HAVE.

SO IF YOU HAVE SMALLER POLES, TALLER POLES REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.

WE'LL DESIGN EVERY SINGLE BANNER TO FIT THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE POLE IT'S INTENDED TO GO ON, AND THE BANNERS THEMSELVES ARE HIGH QUALITY, DOUBLE SIDED VINYL STREET BANNERS.

WE HAVE AN AMAZING GRAPHIC ARTS DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD ASSIST YOU WITH YOUR DESIGN AND CONCEPT.

SO WHETHER YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A PATRIOTIC, A HISTORIC, A CITY LOGO THEME, WHATEVER YOUR CASE MIGHT BE, WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.

AND WE'LL DO AS MANY DRAFTS AS IT TAKES TO GET IT RIGHT.

AND YOU'RE FULLY SATISFIED WITH THE DESIGNS.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT WILL CHOOSE TO ENGAGE LOCAL ARTISTS IN THE PROGRAM.

FOR EXAMPLE, THESE BANNERS HERE WERE DESIGNED BY A LOCAL MURALIST WITHIN THE CITY OF UTICA, AND THEN THESE BANNERS HERE WERE DESIGNED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM BY A LOCAL ARTIST, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH GRAPHIC DESIGN, THROUGH PHOTOGRAPHY, THROUGH PAINTING.

SO THERE ARE LOTS OF REALLY FUN WAYS IN TERMS OF THE ARTWORK TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM REALLY CUSTOMIZED AND REALLY SENTIMENTAL.

AND REGARDLESS OF YOUR PREFERENCE, WE'LL BE SURE TO MAKE SURE NO MATTER WHAT BANNER YOU GET, YOU'RE REALLY SATISFIED WITH THE FINAL RESULT.

THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT SUPPORTS THIS PROGRAM IS ONE THAT ALLOWS US TO OFFER OUR PROGRAM COMPLETELY COST FREE TO YOU AS OUR PARTNER.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE DO IS WE CREATE OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO GET INVOLVED AND SPONSOR OUR INITIATIVES.

BUT THE REASON WHY ALL OF THE NATIONAL ENDORSEMENTS THAT I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING ARE SET FOR US IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTINGENCY FOR OUR PROGRAMS. SO THAT MEANS IF BUSINESSES GET INVOLVED, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT IF THE BUSINESSES DON'T GET INVOLVED, WE STILL GIVE OUR COMMUNITIES THE PROGRAM FOR FREE NO MATTER WHAT.

SO HERE YOU'LL SEE SOME MORE EXAMPLES OF SOME OF OUR BANNERS, AND I'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT SPONSORSHIP SECTION AT THE BOTTOM.

SINCE YOU'RE ALL COMMUNITY LEADERS, I'M SURE YOU RECOGNIZE THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES CAN STRUGGLE TO MARKET AND PROMOTE THEMSELVES.

SO ONE OF THE AMAZING APPEALS OF OUR PROGRAM IS THE BUSINESS SPONSOR SECTION AND THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUR LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT SIGN UP FOR THIS PROGRAM EXCLUSIVELY BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESS MODEL AND THE EXPOSURE IT WOULD PROVIDE TO THEIR BUSINESSES THROUGH THINGS LIKE FOOT TRAFFIC, HOLIDAY SHOPPING, LOCAL FESTIVALS AND EVENTS, NEW TOURISTS LEARNING ABOUT WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY HAS TO OFFER THEM, OR DAILY COMMUTERS GOING TO AND FROM THEIR JOBS.

THE BUSINESSES CAN SPONSOR THE BANNER WITH THEIR NAME AND THEIR LOGO.

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AND IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE ON BOTH THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.

AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM DESIGNED FOR LOCAL AND SMALLER BUSINESSES, YOUR MOM AND POP SHOPS, MAKING IT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COMPETE WITH LARGER BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS IN A REALLY COST EFFECTIVE AND AFFORDABLE WAY.

WE REALLY PRIDE OURSELVES ON BEING MAIN STREET, SMALL BUSINESS ADVOCATES OR MEMBERS OF MAIN STREET AMERICA BECAUSE WE BELIEVE SO STRONGLY IN SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESS.

AND THIS PROGRAM IS JUST ANOTHER REALLY GREAT WAY WE GET TO DO THAT.

AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS PROGRAM HAS NO CONTINGENCY.

SO IN REGARDS TO THIS INITIATIVE, WHAT THAT MEANS IS NO MATTER THE BUSINESS PARTICIPANTS, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO RECEIVE BANNERS FROM US NO MATTER WHAT.

SO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAME TO ANGLETON.

WE ASKED EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS IF THEY WANTED TO SPONSOR A BANNER.

AND LET'S JUST SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR BUSINESSES TURNS US DOWN.

EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN MY COMPANY IS GOING TO PAY FOR YOU TO HAVE 25 FREE BANNERS.

WE'LL PUT ON THEM WHATEVER ARTWORK YOU DECIDED ON AND YOU WOULD GET THEM FREE OF CHARGE, ENSURING YOU GET A BEAUTIFUL AND COMPREHENSIVE DISPLAY NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BUSINESS OUTREACH.

ADDITIONALLY, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT BUSINESS OUTREACH FOR YOU.

WE'LL BE SURE TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND WE ALSO ENSURE EASE OF PARTICIPATION WITH THIS PROGRAM BY MANAGING THINGS LIKE THE INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE BANNERS.

SO THAT WAY, IF THEY'RE EVER DAMAGED, WE REPLACE THEM FOR YOU AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THEM ON THE POLES IN A TIMELY MANNER WHEN THE PROGRAM IS PRINTED AND READY TO GO.

WE ALSO PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY NEEDED BRACKETS AND HARDWARE.

SO IF YOU HAVE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ARMS FOR THE BANNERS TO HANG ON, WE WOULD PROVIDE ALL OF THAT TO YOU FOR FREE.

AND THEN WE ALSO CARRY INSURANCE ON EVERY BANNER.

SO IF THEY EVER GET DAMAGED, WE'LL SEND YOU A NEW ONE WITHIN A TIMELY MANNER.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE WORK WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA AND WITH THE HURRICANE THAT WENT THROUGH A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE HAD REPLACED THEM ALL AND GOT THEM BACK UP ON THE POLES WITHIN ABOUT THREE WEEKS OF THEM NOTIFYING US THAT THERE WAS SOME MISSING.

SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DISPLAY.

ADDITIONALLY, WE ALWAYS INCLUDE FREE BANNERS FOR DIFFERENT NON-PROFITS LIKE YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, CITY HALL.

REALLY IMPORTANT TO US THAT THESE ENTITIES GET TO SHOWCASE THEIR CIVIC PRIDE AS PUBLIC SERVANTS WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, I WANT TO NOTE TO YOU THE DURATION OF THE PROGRAM.

SO IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD SET THIS UP AS A THREE YEAR PARTNERSHIP.

AND WHAT'S REALLY EXCITING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS EVERY SINGLE YEAR WE WOULD REDESIGN THE BANNERS FOR YOU SO YOU'RE NOT STUCK WITH YOUR SAME DESIGN THROUGHOUT YOUR TIME WORKING WITH US, YOU CAN DO A YEARLY THEME.

YOU CAN FOCUS ON SPECIFIC INITIATIVES, CELEBRATIONS, CALLS TO FAME, DIFFERENT SORTS OF FOCUSES AND WHATEVER MAKES SENSE TO YOU EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

SO THE MESSAGING IS ALWAYS RELEVANT, BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT, THE PHYSICAL QUALITY OF THE BANNERS.

YOU NEVER REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM AGING AND LOOKING OLD AND YUCKY AND YOUR POLES, BECAUSE THEY DO START TO SHOW THEIR AGE AFTER ABOUT 12 MONTHS OF DISPLAY.

SO WE PROACTIVELY REPLACE THEM BEFORE THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM.

AND WHAT WE DO WITH EACH SET OF BANNERS IS WE UPDATE THEM AS WE GET ANY OF YOUR PARTICIPATING BUSINESS SPONSORS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THEIR DESIGNATED BANNER IF THEY WOULD LIKE, OR WE RECYCLE THEM IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE.

AND SO IF YOU DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD, WHAT WOULD YOU REALLY NEED TO CONCERN YOURSELF WITH? AND THE FOUR THINGS ON YOUR SCREEN ARE WHAT WE ASK OF OUR CITY PARTNERS.

THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM IS 25 POLES.

I'M SURE THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE IF WE WOULD SEND YOU 25 BANNERS, WE WOULD NEED A PLACE TO PUT THEM.

SO 25 POLES IS OUR MINIMUM QUANTITY OF POLES FOR PARTICIPATION.

THERE IS NO MAXIMUM QUANTITY OF POLES, AND THEN FOR ANY POLES YOU WANT TO USE IN THE PROGRAM, IF THEY REQUIRE SPECIAL PERMISSIONS, WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH THAT IN TERMS OF CONNECTING WITH THE OWNER OF THE POLES.

WE ALSO ASK FOR YOUR HELP WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE ARTWORK.

NO BRAINER. I'M SURE THIS IS YOUR PROGRAM.

WE WOULD WANT TO BRING YOUR VISION TO LIFE.

THE THIRD THING WE ASK FOR IS FOR A SIGNED LETTER OF INTRODUCTION ON YOUR OFFICIAL CITY LETTERHEAD.

AND WHAT WE DO IS WE USE THAT LETTER TO VALIDATE THE PROGRAM.

EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT LETTER HERE FROM MISSION, TEXAS, ONE OF OUR PARTNERS.

IT'S JUST A QUICK EXPLANATORY LETTER INVITING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM HELPS US LEGITIMIZE THE INITIATIVE AND ENSURE THAT THE BUSINESSES KNOW OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE CAN VALIDATE THE PROGRAM TO THEM.

WE ALWAYS SEND IT IN A TEMPLATE FORM, SO WHATEVER MAKES YOUR COMMUNITY COMFORTABLE IS TOTALLY FINE WITH US.

AND THEN THE VERY LAST THING WE WOULD ASK OF YOU IS TO SIGN UP ON A ONE PAGE AGREEMENT, WHICH I'VE REVIEWED WITH YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND WE HAVE AMENDED TO INCLUDE SPECIAL CONTRACT LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE IT'S ADHERING TO ALL OF YOUR POLICY AND PREFERENCES.

AND THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO CITY STAFF AS WELL.

SO THE WAY THAT OUR PROGRAM WORKS IS WE OPERATE ON A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS, MEANING ONCE THE COMMUNITY SENDS IN THEIR AGREEMENT TO ME, I SUBMIT THAT TO OUR PRODUCTION QUEUE AND WE GET THE COMMUNITIES IN THE ORDER THE AGREEMENTS ARE RECEIVED.

SO FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE, AND THEN WE DO HAVE ABOUT A THREE MONTH TURNAROUND TIME FRAME FROM THE DAY A COMMUNITY SIGNS ON.

TAKES US ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO DELIVER THOSE BANNERS TO THEM.

ONE FINAL THING OR TWO FINAL THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SHARE WITH YOU A VERY QUICK TESTIMONIAL FROM A COMMUNITY THAT PARTICIPATED.

SO I'LL DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

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EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYONE ELSE, AND WE LIKE TO DRIVE AS MUCH BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE TO OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.

THE CGI DID A WONDERFUL JOB DRIVING IT, TELLING US WHAT THEY NEEDED AND WHEN THEY NEEDED IT.

THE RESPONSE WAS OVERWHELMING.

I THINK EVERY EVERY BUSINESS IN OUR VILLAGE AND AND NEARBY THE VILLAGE PARTICIPATES IN THE PROCESS.

DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THE PROGRAM.

THERE'S NO COST TO THE MUNICIPALITY AT ALL.

IT'S REALLY A WIN FOR EVERYBODY.

DRIVING MORE BUSINESS TOWARDS YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, MAKING YOUR OWN COMMUNITY AWARE OF SO MANY BUSINESSES.

IT'S A FANTASTIC PROGRAM AND IT JUST FURTHER SOLIDIFIES OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY, OF OUR SMALL VILLAGE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S MAYOR JOHN HARMON.

CHURCHVILLE I'M A REALLY BIG FAN OF HIS.

AND THEN A QUICK TESTIMONIAL FROM A BUSINESS.

SO WE'VE BEEN WITH THE WASHINGTON BANNER PROGRAM FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S GREAT EXPOSURE FOR OUR BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE NEW BANNERS ARE INSTALLED.

THEY'RE NICE AND BRIGHT, COLORFUL, REALLY STAND OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WE ALSO LOVE TO SEE EVERYONE ELSE'S BANNERS.

SEE WHO ELSE IS A PART OF THE WASHINGTON COMMUNITY.

IT'S SUCH A COHESIVE COMMUNITY.

EVERYONE REALLY COMES TOGETHER.

THERE'S SO MANY EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND I THINK THAT THE BANNER PROGRAM JUST EXPANDS UPON THAT.

IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE ALL ONE CLOSE KNIT COMMUNITY.

WE ALL WORK TOGETHER ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND EVENTS THAT WE HOLD.

SO I JUST THINK THAT THE BANNER PROGRAM REALLY SHOWS THAT COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER.

AND THAT WAS A BUSINESS SPONSOR FROM WASHINGTON, PENNSYLVANIA.

SO THAT IS OUR PROGRAM START TO FINISH.

I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, THOUGHTS, FEELINGS, ANYTHING AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS NIKKI.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

IT IS NIKKI, RIGHT? YES. NIKKI. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, I HAVE A QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR OF THE REPRESENTATIVE.

YOU MUST HAVE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS.

GOOD. I LOVE THAT THOROUGH PRESENTATION, THEN.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE. OH, I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF ANYBODY COULD GO.

I JINXED US. JOHN DOES HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

NO PROBLEM. I CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR YOU, NIKKI, OR IF IT'S FOR MEGAN.

MEGAN, WE CHANGE THOSE OUT TWICE A YEAR.

THREE TIMES A YEAR NOW.

WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY CHANGED ABOUT THREE TIMES A YEAR.

AND WE USUALLY TYPICALLY GO WITH HOLIDAY SEASON, 4TH OF JULY AND FALL.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A MARKET DAYS FOR SPRING, A PATRIOTIC ONE FOR 4TH OF JULY, AND THEN WE HAVE A HOLIDAY ONE OR AND I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION IS FOR NIKKI IS THESE ACTUALLY WILL JUST BE A FOR A FULL YEAR.

THEY DON'T COME DOWN SO THERE'S NO CHANGING THROUGHOUT THE SEASONS.

RIGHT. SORT OF.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HOLIDAY STRATEGIES IN PLACE AND WE LIKE TO DO OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEEDS.

SO OUR PROGRAM ISN'T SET TO PROVIDE YOU WITH HOLIDAY DECORATIONS AND DISPLAYS, BUT WE CAN TRY OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE HOLIDAY DECORATIONS AND DISPLAYS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WORK WITH NASHVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA, AND YOU WOULDN'T THINK A NORTH CAROLINA COMMUNITY WOULD BE SO EXCITED ABOUT CHRISTMAS, BUT THEY ARE.

SO FROM NOVEMBER 1ST TO JANUARY 1ST, NON NEGOTIABLE HOLIDAY DECORATIONS, LIGHTS.

IT'S CRAZY. GO UP IN THE CITY OF NASHVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA.

SO IT WAS A NON NEGOTIABLE FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE KNEW THE EXACT AMOUNT OF TIME OUR BANNERS WOULD BE DOWN AND WE COMMUNICATED THAT TO THE BUSINESS SPONSORS UP FRONT.

SO THEY KNEW THAT FOR THEIR INVESTMENT THEY WOULD BE GETTING TEN MONTHS INSTEAD OF A FULL 12 MONTHS.

SO WE CAN WORK ON A CUSTOM DISPLAY SCHEDULE IF HOLIDAYS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT WILL DO BOTH A HOLIDAY DISPLAY AND A YEARLY DISPLAY ON A SINGLE POLE.

SO IF YOU IMAGINE A SINGLE POLE STREET SIDE WOULD BE LIKE A HOLIDAY BANNER OR A SEASONAL BANNER, AND THEN YOUR YEARLY MESSAGING LIKE MAYBE LIKE CELEBRATING A LOCAL PHOTOGRAPHER, A BRANDING OF YOUR COMMUNITY, IDENTIFYING DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POOL.

AND WE'RE REALLY GREAT AT ACCOMMODATING A DESIGN THAT WOULD BE REALLY COMPLIMENTARY TO ANY EXISTING STRATEGIES THAT YOU HAVE.

SO WE'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ON MAKING SURE THAT OUR DESIGNS ARE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF DESIGNS, MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A BEAUTIFUL, CONSISTENT DISPLAY. SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.

IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON YOUR PRIORITIES AS A COMMUNITY.

SO MEGAN, WHAT'S YOUR WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? SO WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, IT WAS PRELIMINARY WITH MARTHA, MYSELF AND CHRIS, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WE REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSITION THE FALL PATRIOTIC AND HOLIDAY TYPE OF BANNER, BUT INSTEAD WOULD LIKELY NEED TO DESIGNATE THE

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SEE, I GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS ON US PUTTING UP THE HOLIDAY BANNERS EVERY YEAR.

THEY LIKED THAT TIME OF YEAR AND THEY THINK IT'S FESTIVE.

IT'S JUST IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU.

IT WON'T PREVENT US FROM PUTTING GARLAND IN LIGHTS, WHICH WE TYPICALLY DO ON OUR ANTIQUE STREETLIGHT POLES DOWNTOWN.

BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD IMPACT OUR SEASONAL DISPLAYS.

WHY WOULD IT IMPACT OUR SEASONAL DISPLAY? WHY CAN'T WE DO IT? IT WOULD BE A LIKE NIKKI MENTIONED, UNLESS YOU DESIGNATED THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE THE BANNERS DOWN FOR TWO MONTHS, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT AND JUST SAY TEN MONTHS.

LET'S DISPLAY THE STANDARD CITY BRANDED SIGN.

BUT THESE TWO MONTHS WERE GOING TO PUT UP THESE OTHER CITY SIGNS.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, IF YOU'RE WHAT I GUESS I'M REFERRING TO IS WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE THREE.

WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR CONSISTENT.

WHAT I'M JUST SAYING WHEN I EVER HEAR ABOUT IS THE THE HOLIDAY THAT I'VE NEVER HAD.

WE CAN DO THAT. IT'S UP TO YOU.

YEAH. CHRISTMAS IS NO PROBLEM.

BIG CHRISTMAS FAN WOULD JUST HAVE TO WATCH BUSINESSES.

YES, AS LONG AS WE KNOW UP FRONT.

WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE DID ANY SORT OF BUSINESS OUTREACH, WE NEVER WANT TO DO ANY SORT OF WHAT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS A BAIT AND SWITCH TACTICS AND THESE SORT OF LIKE SKETCHY THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE WILL WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO THOSE BUSINESSES RIGHT UP FRONT WHAT EXACTLY THEY'D BE GETTING FOR THEIR INVESTMENT.

THEIR BANNERS WITH THE THE SPONSOR SECTION WOULD BE UP FROM THIS DATE TO THIS DATE.

AND THEY COULD ANTICIPATE WHEN THEY'D COME DOWN AND WHEN A NEW BANNER WOULD COME UP.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM BECAUSE IT REDUCES COSTS AND REDUCES THE PERSONNEL POWER OF GOING UP AND CHANGING OUT THE POLES, MAINTAIN THE BRACKETS, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND IF IT'S PUSHING LOCAL BUSINESS, I MEAN.

SEE HOW YOU CAN LOSE ON THIS.

IT ALSO EXPANDS IT INTO OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST.

YEAH, I ALSO.

WONDER AND I'M JUST SPITTING BALLING HERE, TALKING ABOUT THE SEASONAL STUFF SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS, THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

WHAT SEEMS TO HOLD A GREATER VALUE MAYBE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 25.

IT MAY ONLY JUST APPLY TO THAT AREA OF TOWN.

MAYBE JUST AN IDEA THAT WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

IF YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AND YOUR ADVERTISEMENTS AND YOUR LOCATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ADVERTISE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR COST SYSTEM OR EVALUATE THAT LOCATION.

YOU MIGHT GET TO PAY A HIGHER PREMIUM DEPENDING ON YOUR LOCATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE PROCESS OR NOT.

BUT WE'RE PRETTY YEAH, WE'RE PRETTY FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF PROGRAM CUSTOMIZATIONS.

THAT SOUNDS SOMETHING THAT MY PRESIDENT WOULD SIGN OFF ON EASILY.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD WORK WITH OUR CURRENT PROGRAM BECAUSE WE UNLESS WE GO OUT FOR NEW BANNERS AT ALL THE POLLS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, APPLYING THESE TO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO INCUR.

WHEREAS WE HAVE THE PROGRAM PREPARED FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

SO THEY REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 25.

RIGHT. WE HAVE 25, 25 POLES BECAUSE WE WOULD IF YOU SIGNED ON FOR THE PROGRAM, WE WOULD SEND YOU 25 BANNERS NO MATTER WHAT.

SO WE LIKE TO ENSURE THAT WE'LL HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THOSE BANNERS.

SO 25 POLES IS OUR MINIMUM QUANTITY FOR A COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE.

SO WE HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THOSE 25 BANNERS.

BUT IDEALLY YOU WOULD PUT AS MANY POLES IN THE PROGRAM AS YOU COULD FORESEEABLY WANT TO HAVE BANNERS ON THEM, AND WE WOULD FILL EVERY SINGLE ONE WITH A BANNER.

SO WE DO HAVE DOWN MULBERRY AND SOUTH VELASCO.

I THINK WE INSTALLED MAYBE A COUPLE BY THE NEW PARKING LOT.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE'S SOME DOWN BY EL PATIO AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OUT HERE IN FRONT OF LIBERTY GARDEN.

SO WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE ON THAT TOTAL COUNT.

IF NOT, THEN WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO EXPAND INTO DICKEY.

WHAT WOULD BE THE COST PER POLE? TO DO THAT TO FOR FOR A SPONSOR? NO, NO. FOR US TO SAY WE WERE AT 23 POLES, WE NEED TO ADD TWO.

SO AS FAR AS THE COST GOES, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY THAT WOULD ONLY BE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THEIR BANNER DISPLAY.

AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD EXTEND INTO DICKIE AND EVEN FREEDOM.

BUT AS FAR AS THE DOWNTOWN QUARTER WITH THE CHRISTMAS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN ANY OF THE ONES WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, RIGHT.

SO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE GOOD WITH THE OVERLAP.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WE HAVE AT LEAST 25 POLES THAT WE CAN.

ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S THAT WAS MY WE HAVE 46 AT FREEDOM, FOR INSTANCE.

YEAH, JUST A FEW.

GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I REALLY ENJOY GOING THROUGH OTHER TOWNS AND ESPECIALLY DURING CHRISTMASTIME.

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YOU KNOW, NOT JUST OUR TOWN, BUT ALL OVER I GO.

IT'S IT'S REALLY IT'S BEEN VERY ENJOYABLE TO DO THAT.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT FOR ANGLETON.

YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THEIR ENDEAVOR TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE.

BUT I JUST I HOLD CHRISTMAS IS A HIGHER STANDARD THAN A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

MAYBE I'D ASK IF YOU ALL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS THAT YOU STIPULATE THOSE CONDITIONS YOU WANT.

AND SO IT'S TEN MONTHS A YEAR WHICH WOULD COVER CHRISTMAS SPAN TIME OR CERTAINLY VERY COMMON, VERY COMMON REQUEST.

I WOULD SAY PROBABLY CLOSE TO HALF OF OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE A CUSTOM TIMELINE SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY'LL BE DOWN FOR LIKE TWO WEEKS, EVEN ALL THE WAY UP TO TWO MONTHS.

AT LEAST HALF OF OUR COMMUNITIES ASK FOR THAT.

SO NOT UNCOMMON.

WE'RE VERY WELL VERSED IN HOW TO HANDLE THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. BOOTH. I JUST HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION.

SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR HANGING THE BANNERS, DO YOU ALL SEND SOMEBODY HERE? DO YOU CONTRACT SOMEBODY TO COME OUT LOCALLY? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WE LIKE TO CONTRACT LOCALLY.

WE REALLY LIKE TO PUT SOME DOLLARS BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, GET SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE PHYSICALLY THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS NEEDS REALLY QUICKLY.

THAT WAY, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A CRAZY WINDSTORM THAT COMES THROUGH, WE HAVE PEOPLE LOCAL WHO CAN HELP OUT.

SO WE ALWAYS TRY AND GO LOCAL.

AND IN FACT, WE ACTUALLY WOULD TAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ANY LOCAL VENDORS THAT YOU MIGHT THINK WOULD BENEFIT FROM A PARTNERSHIP WITH US IN THAT CAPACITY.

SO YEAH, WE CAN FIND OUR OWN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE DO LIKE TO TAKE A LOCAL APPROACH.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR MISS NIKKI? WHAT IS THE CHARGE FOR THE BUSINESSES WHO WANT TO SPONSOR HER SIGN? GREAT QUESTION. SO WE TRY AND COME UP WITH A PRICE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR EACH ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORK IN.

SO OUR GIVEN PRICE RANGE IS BETWEEN 6.95 PER BANNER AND 9.95 PER BANNER.

WE USUALLY RESERVE THE 9.95 PRICE POINT FOR OUR LARGE COMMUNITIES LIKE IN CALIFORNIA, WE WORK WITH LITERAL SUBURBS OF LA, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT BIGGER PRICE POINT COMES IN, JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE COMPETITIVE.

BUT WE USUALLY FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THAT'S OUR STARTING PRICE POINT.

AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT WE HAVE INCENTIVES IN ALL SORTS OF WAYS FOR OUR PROGRAM.

SO IF A BUSINESS SPONSORS MULTIPLE BANNERS, WE HAVE A BIG INCENTIVE FOR THAT.

IF THEY SPONSOR ONLINE RATHER THAN CALLING US AND HAVING US TYPE OF AN INVOICE, THERE'S A BIG INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

AND ADDITIONALLY, IF WE START AT A PARTICULAR PRICE POINT AND WE'RE HEARING FROM BUSINESSES THAT THE PRICE IS A LITTLE HIGH AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE FOR THAT REASON, IF WE HEAR THAT CONSISTENTLY, WE DO ADJUST OUR COSTS SO BUSINESSES WILL GET INVOLVED.

OBVIOUSLY, IF WE SELL THESE AT A PRICE POINT WHERE THE BUSINESSES WON'T PARTICIPATE, WE PAY OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.

SO WE ALWAYS TRY AND COME UP WITH A PRICE POINT THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND WE'VE BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL IN COMMUNITIES SMALLER THAN YOURS AT PRICE POINTS RIGHT AROUND THERE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ADDRESS? ANYTHING AT ALL? OKAY COUNCIL.

IT IS AN ACTION ITEM IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE. WE APPROVE AN AGREEMENT WITH COMMUNITY SHOWCASE BANNERS LLC.

AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.

THIS WILL BE FOR TEN MONTHS, AND TWO MONTHS WILL BE FOR CHRISTMAS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.

DID I HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND THAT I MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS IT WITH MY BAD EAR.

SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND TO GO INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION OF TWO MONTHS FOR THE CHRISTMAS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, MISS NICKY. THANK YOU, STAFF.

THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE STAFF THAT ARE THERE HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR EVER NEEDS ANYTHING AT ANY POINT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, I RUN THIS DIVISION.

SO ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED, I'M YOUR GIRL, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU ALL.

HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR DAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

BYE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT COMPLETES ITEM NUMBER 12.

[13. Discussion and possible action on recommended sidewalk projects through ARPA II funds.]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IN AUGUST, THE SECOND ROUND OF THE ARPA FUNDING WAS DECIDED UPON.

$200,000 WAS ALLOCATED FOR SIDEWALKS.

INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS A LIST OF SIDEWALKS THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH.

SOME OF THEM WERE FROM WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED.

THERE WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BY COUNCIL AND THE REQUEST ALSO FOR US TO COME BACK WITH THIS LIST.

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, HECTOR.

GREAT LIST. WISH WE COULD DO A WHOLE LOT, BUT WE KNOW FUNDS ARE LIMITED.

SO I GUESS TONIGHT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WHICH ONES ARE THE HOT TOPICS THAT YOU THAT WE MAY THINK MAYBE LIKE A TOP THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT 200,000.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE US SO FAR, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN START SOMEWHERE.

TEN. FOUR. THANK YOU. IS THIS INTENDED TO BE NEW SIDEWALK OR FIX UP? IT SAYS ON THE RIGHT AND THE DESCRIPTION.

IT'S ONE OF OUR NEW INSTALLS AND SOME OF THEM ARE FIXES.

I'M SORRY. I CAN'T. AND WE'RE TOTALLY FLEXIBLE.

WE'RE JUST PROVIDING. I JUST WANT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF EAST MILLER, WHY DID WE DECIDE ON EAST MILLER? WHEN I WAS JUST A STREET I FOUND THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXISTING SIDEWALKS.

SO JUST A RECOMMENDATION.

AND ALSO, I MEAN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING NOT ON THIS LIST THAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO ADD IN THERE, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT EAST MILLER WOULD BE A NICE STREET TO HAVE THE SIDEWALK ON, BUT WE JUST FINISHED CEDAR AND WE JUST FINISHED.

WE HAVE ONE ON WILKINS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT MONEY MIGHT NOT BE MILLER SINCE IT'S ALREADY, YOU HAVE TWO THOROUGHFARES THERE FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

WELL, IT'S A REALLY WIDE ROAD.

IT'S A HUGE ROAD, YEAH.

I JUST WONDER, BECAUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE A DOWNING TO VALDERAS, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD STRETCH.

SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY, WE COULD PUT THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND. IN THE CORNER OF MY EAR.

I KNOW MR. HEWITT'S OUT THERE AND HE'S ALREADY TOLD ME, DON'T PUT IT DOWN RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

DRIVING AROUND TOWN, I NOTICED NUMEROUS PLACES WHERE THE SIDEWALKS HAVE SETTLED.

WE'VE MADE AN EFFORT TO TRY TO MATCH STUFF.

AND IT'S THAT'S PROBABLY A BIT MORE COSTLY TO DO LITTLE SPOT REPAIRS, BUT THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE STUBBED THEIR TOES.

THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE FALL DOWN AND HURT THEMSELVES.

AND I WOULD I WOULD TRY TO APPRECIATE THESE COUPLE OF THREE LINES HERE WHERE YOU'RE MAKING SPOT REPAIRS OR REPAIRING RAMPS. SO.

I WOULD TRY TO FOCUS ON FIXING WHAT WE HAVE.

THERE IS ONE AREA THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY USEFUL AND IT COMES UP A LOT FROM CERTAIN PEOPLE IS THAT LOOP 274 WHERE MILLER COMES OUT AND WE JUST HAVE THE WE JUST PUT THAT SIDEWALK IN BETWEEN TJ WRIGHT AND PARRISH.

BUT BETWEEN THE CVS PROPERTY AND ACROSS, THERE'S NO THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN, TRAVERSES THAT AREA AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A BUS STOP RIGHT THERE TOO.

AND THEY'RE PUTTING A SIDEWALK ALONG THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME TXDOT RIGHT AWAY ISSUES AND EVERYTHING THERE TOO, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY USEFUL LOCATION FOR A NEW SIDEWALK IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BOOTH THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED AS WELL.

I'M JUST THINKING OF WHERE I SEE THE MOST PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND I SEE A LOT COMING DOWN MILLER BETWEEN TJ WRIGHT AND TO LOOP 274, TO GO TO BUCKY'S OR TO GO DOWN FURTHER. MY OPINION IS I ACTUALLY LIKE THE ONE SUGGESTED.

SO. OKAY.

I KNOW. I THINK I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN KIBER FROM THE LAST COUNCIL. I MEAN, I THINK KIBER.

I WOULD LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

I THINK I'D LIKE TO LOOK IN RANCHO SPECIFICALLY AND BROWNING.

BOTH OF THEM LOOK LIKE THEY COULD USE SOME RAMPS.

SOME OF THEIR SIDEWALKS ARE IN DECENT SHAPE.

PROBABLY COULD DO SOME TOUCH UPS ALONG THERE, BUT THEIR RAMPS, THEY JUST ARE NONEXISTENT.

AND I GUESS THEY WERE POURED BEFORE ADA WAS THE THING.

AND SO I THINK BOTH THOSE WOULD GET EVEN GREATER FOOT TRAFFIC.

UM, BECAUSE I'VE RUN THROUGH BOTH AREAS AND OR WALK THROUGH BOTH AREAS AND JUST A LITTLE STEP DOWN.

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BUT I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE.

I JUST THINK THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT INTO THE FUTURE IS INCORPORATING SOME RAMPS AND CONNECTIONS.

AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN TRY TO FOCUS ON WITH THIS, IS TRY TO GET SOME RAMPS.

TRY TO GET SOME ADA COMPLIANT RAMPS IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

SO YOU KNOW IF THERE IS SOME PUSHBACK ON THE EAST MILLER ADDRESS, MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING YOU COULD SUBSTITUTE IN WOULD BE LOOKING IN THOSE TWO AREAS TO FIND A FEW BECAUSE THOSE ARE BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE HEAVILY THERE ON THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES AND THEY'RE BOTH HEAVILY WALK A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC IN BOTH THOSE.

HERE'S BICYCLES TO.

JUST AN IDEA. YEAH.

AND EAST MILLER COULD BE SOMETHING TO, LIKE A BIKE PATH, YOU KNOW, JUST STRIPED IN THE ROAD, BEING THAT IT IS A WIDE ROAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST KIND OF LOSE SOME PARKING THERE. BUT JUST ANOTHER IDEA.

SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT EAST MILLER BETWEEN DOWNING AND VALDERAS? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, YOU TWO SEEM TO HAVE SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT.

SO I WAS SAYING IN PLACE OF EAST MILLER THEN PERHAPS TO LOOK IN THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THEM THE SIDEWALKS FOR THE MOST PART, A PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE DEFINITELY NO.

IT'S WEIRD.

SOMETIMES THERE'S A RAMP AND YOU CROSS THE STREET AND THERE'S NOT IT'S CURB.

IT'S CURB. SO WHY CAN WE MATCH THEM UP, WHICH WOULD ALLOW EASIER TRAFFIC AGAIN? BECAUSE I SEE KIDS ALL USING THESE AREAS, AND ESPECIALLY IF THE CURB IT FORCES THEM BACK INTO THE STREET.

I KNOW BICYCLES TECHNICALLY ARE MAYBE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON SIDEWALKS, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T MIND A THREE OR FOUR YEAR OLD OR SIX YEAR OLD RIDING A BIKE ON THE SIDEWALK.

SO JUST AN IDEA.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO LOOK AT MILLER ON THE CVS PROPERTY AT MINIMUM, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON TXDOT RIGHT AWAY, AT LEAST UP TO THE BUS STOP BETWEEN 44 AND OR AND I GUESS THE BUS STOP.

I'D LIKE IT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO LOOP 274.

BUT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH TXDOT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

BUT A GUY WHO JUMPED OFF THE CURB THE OTHER DAY TRYING TO WALK IN THE STREET.

RIGHT THERE. I SEE IT ALL THE TIME.

I DO APPRECIATE THE ONE FROM WELLS FARGO TO SHIPLEY'S.

FINALLY. I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT REALLY ODD THAT WE HAD THIS LONG STRETCH THAT JUST WENT NOWHERE.

AND IF WE COULD GET THIS MILLER TO THERE, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY GET US MAYBE CLOSER.

I DO THINK YOU WOULD SEE MORE TRAFFIC.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE WALK AND HIT THE END OF THE SIDEWALK AND STOP AND DECIDE THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS.

YOU KNOW, 274 RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS GOT TO BE THE WORST IDEA, I MEAN.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT AT A TRAFFIC STOP, SO.

YEAH. UNTIL YOU KNOW TXDOT GETS YOU KNOW, CROSSINGS IN THERE.

I MEAN THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ON ON CROSSING THAT.

NO, BUT I'M LIKE WHERE THE WHERE IT ENDS AT THE SHIPLEY'S PROPERTY LINE.

YEAH. I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TRY TO CROSS FROM THERE OVER TO, YOU KNOW BUCEE'S AS OPPOSED TO MAKING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE STREET LIGHT, AT LEAST WHERE IT'S AN INTERSECTION THERE. THEY'RE DOING THE OLD SCHOOL LIKE WE USED TO DO.

LOOK BOTH WAYS. CHECK TO SEE IF CARS COME IN AND PLAY FROGGER, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT THIS THIS LAST LINE YOU HAVE ON THIS LIST IS ON BUSINESS 288 CORRECT? GLASGOW. YEAH.

YES. YEAH. NOT 274.

YEAH. NOT 274.

OH HE'S GOING TO THE BACK SIDE.

YEAH. WE'RE GOING IN FRONT OF THE ICE SNOW CONE PLACE.

OH OKAY. THAT'S.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

I WOULD RATHER GO TO THE OTHER SIDE AND FINISH IT FROM WHERE IT STOPS AND SAY GOING DOWN THE BACKSIDE OF IT.

YEAH. I MEAN, EITHER WAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU LOOK ACROSS STREET FROM.

ON THE WHAT? THE WEST SIDE OF SHIPLEY'S.

AND THE PROPERTY LINE WITH WELLS FARGO, THERE'S A RETENTION DETENTION DITCH.

AND THEN THERE'S A LONG I GUESS WHEN Y'ALL MADE WELLS FARGO SHOW UP AND THEY BUILT WELLS FARGO THERE.

THEY RELOCATED THERE.

MM HMM. THEY ADDED A SIDEWALK, BUT IT NEVER GOT CONTINUED ON TO.

WHAT WOULD BE SHIPLEY'S.

SO. SO THE WEST SIDE OF SHIPLEY YOU WOULD WANT TO SEEK FROM THE WELLS FARGO.

THAT'S I MEAN, I JUST LIKE TO FINISH IT.

I MEAN, I'D RATHER DO THAT AND DO A PUT ANOTHER HALF IN ON THE OTHER SIDE.

WE HAVE A HALF ONE ON ONE SIDE OR HALF SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I'D RATHER JUST GO AHEAD AND FINISH ONE AND COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND DO THE EAST SIDE.

THAT'S MY IDEA. THAT'S.

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THAT'S WHY I KIND OF SUGGESTED JUST GIVEN A TOP THREE, BECAUSE 200,000 IS GOING TO TAKE US SO FAR.

AND IF YOU PICK A NEW INSTALL LIKE ON KIBER FOR INSTANCE, THAT MIGHT BE ALL OF IT.

WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I'M WITH COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

I WOULD GO FOR THE REPAIRS AS MOST AS POSSIBLE.

AND DO WE WANT TO GO FOR, LIKE, RAMPS FIRST? LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A RAMP.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE WITH JUST A CURB GOING TO THE STREET.

I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO THOSE FIRST AND THEN FOCUS ON REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET A LOT OF THOSE INSTALLED? WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD SAY WE JUST HAD THE 88.

AND WHATEVER'S ON THAT ADA LIST THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE A FINDING.

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE TACKLING FIRST WITH THIS.

AND THAT IS ALL ON DOWNING.

IT'S ON THE LIST, BUT IT'S IT'S A LOT LIKE, OH, YEAH, NO, BUT THAT'S OUR I MEAN, I WOULD FIRSTLY, I'D SAY ATTACK THE AREAS THAT HAVE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IF THEY'VE GOT SIDEWALKS THAT THAT ARE UNEVEN OR THEY DON'T, SOMETIMES YOU BUILD ONE AND IT DEAD ENDS INTO AN INLET.

WELL IT SETTLES BESIDE THE END AND THEY THROW SOME ASPHALT PATCHING IN THERE.

WELL LET'S GO BACK AND PUT IT, PUT IT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

SO YOU MAY HAVE TO WANDER AROUND ON DIFFERENT STREETS OTHER THAN WHAT YOU'VE LISTED HERE, BUT.

OKAY. BUT THE.

MY AGAIN? KIND OF. COMMIT WOULD BE TO HIT THOSE AREAS THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE REPAIRS AND THEN RAMPS.

YEAH. SPREAD IT AROUND AS BEST AS POSSIBLE SO THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE SPEND ALL OUR MONEY IN ONE AREA OF TOWN.

AGREED THAT WE KIND OF ADDRESSED AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHEN IT WAS.

AND I AGREE WITH COUNSEL.

I MEAN, IF THIS IS A SIDEWALK THAT WE DON'T SEE MUCH FOOT TRAFFIC OR EVEN BICYCLES.

THEN IT JUST MAY BE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO WAIT.

SO I KNOW IT'S TOUGH. I KNOW WE'RE GIVING YOU SOME GUIDANCE BUT NOT GIVING YOU SPECIFICS.

SO OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT YOU TO USE DISCRETION.

OKAY. IF YOU GET IT WRONG, WE'LL BE SURE TO TELL YOU.

IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. IF YOU MISREAD OUR MIND, WE'RE GOING TO COME AGAIN AND TEACH YOU.

I'M GOING TO GO GET YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF TROUBLE.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO US.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO PITCH THE IDEAS, I'LL BE OKAY WITH THAT.

I MEAN. BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S A WASTE OF YOUR TIME, I DON'T WANT YOU WASTING YOUR TIME UP HERE.

I MEAN, I'M PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE JUST, YOU KNOW, GOING AND DOING RAMPS AND REPAIRS.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY ALL THE GUIDANCE AND THAT'S WHAT AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.

AT SOME POINT, JUST REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, LIKE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION LIKE I'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THIS OR WHAT THINGS WE COULD HAVE ADDRESSED IS THE PARTS OF TOWN, I MEAN, BETWEEN YOU AND YOU AND JEFF, YOU ALL ARE AROUND TOWN ALL THE TIME.

I MEAN, I HAVE PLENTY OF IDEAS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY IDEAS.

I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S.

SO WE HAVE I THINK IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT THE COST ALSO.

SO I CAN MAKE A, YOU KNOW.

A BETTER JUDGMENT ON THESE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO FIX SOME OF THESE RAMPS OR HOW MANY RAMPS WE'RE TALKING.

WHAT WHAT IF WE HAVE 200,000? AND I THINK YOU ALL KIND OF KNOW BETWEEN THE ADA, THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT.

I THINK THE LAST PRICE WE GOT WAS WHAT WAS LIKE 5500, I THINK, PER RAMP OR.

IT WASN'T 3500 PER RAMP IS BASICALLY THE PRICE ON EACH ROUND.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 55.

I THINK TO FIX ALL THE ADA RAMPS AROUND CITY HALL WAS SOMETHING LIKE 37,000.

YES. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID.

GO. JUST ADDRESS AS MANY AS YOU CAN IS EQUITABLY AROUND THE TOWN WHERE THERE'S ACTUAL FOOT TRAFFIC.

IF YOU THINK THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE JUST DON'T SEE IT.

IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE DISREGARDING IT, IT'S JUST TRYING TO USE OUR RESOURCES TO THE BEST USE.

MOST USE. YOU GET TO A STOPPING POINT, SAY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT THIS.

WE THINK WE'VE GOT ABOUT THIS MUCH MORE MONEY.

HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THIS SECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.

IF YOU HAVE A. A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY.

YOU THINK THAT WE CAN ATTACK SOME BIG ISSUE OR THEN PLEASE COME TO US AND WE'LL.

I'M SURE YOUR PUBLIC WORKS FOR FIXING THAT SIDEWALK ON.

MULBERRY MORE THAN THE BIG WHITE HOUSE.

YES. THE RAMS OVER THE TREE.

YES. AND STUFF DOWN HERE DID A NICE JOB DESIGNING GETTING THAT DESIGN SO THAT IT.

CLOSE WITH THAT. IT'S NOT JUST THIS OUT IN THE ROUND.

A LONG TXDOT RIGHT AWAY.

OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GOT SOME NEW MARCHING ORDERS.

THANK YOU, SIR. I WROTE GET OUT YOUR TROUBLE CARD.

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[14. Discussion and possible action on awarding the Brazoria County Courthouse Expansion Utility & Improvements Project bid to Matula Matula Construction, Inc.]

MR. JOHN. ALREADY SEE RED IN THIS AGENDA ITEM.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL. ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, THE CITY OPENED UP BIDS FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF ONE BLOCK OF ARCOLA AND THE UTILITIES ALONG ARCOLA.

ALSO, LONG LIVE OAK.

SOME OTHER PLACES IN THERE THAT WE HAD, THE CITY HAD ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.

WE HAD ONE CONTRACTOR BID ON THE PROJECT.

IT WAS MATULA MATULA, WHO'S WORKED FOR THE CITY MULTIPLE TIMES.

THE BID PRICE CAME IN AT $1,258,432.60.

SO THEY ARE THE APPARENT LOW BIDDER.

WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY CONTACTED FIVE RESIDENTS AND DISCUSSED WITH THEM THEIR CAPABILITIES.

THEIR CURRENTLY WORK RECENTLY WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

THEY'RE WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH CONSTANTLY, SO WE KNOW THEY'RE A GOOD FIRM.

THERE'S A STUDY BEFORE THE CITY HAD ENTERED INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAZORIA COUNTY FOR THIS PROJECT.

I'VE ATTACHED THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IN SECTION FIVE OF THE LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION.

ALSO AS PART OF THE DESIGN, WHEN WE PICKED UP THE SURVEY, THERE WAS A SECTION OF WATERLINE THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED INTO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FROM CEDAR TO ASH WHEN WE GOT THE SURVEY IN, THE SURVEY WAS SHOWING SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE GIS WAS SHOWING.

IT WAS SHOWING THE VALVES WERE A LOT CLOSER TO THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER LINE.

WE CAME BACK TO COUNCIL, TALK TO THEM, LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS.

CITY STAFF WENT AND ACTUALLY DUG IT UP AND IDENTIFIED THAT THE WATER LINE WAS IN FACT WAY CLOSER TO THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER, WHICH WOULD CAUSE AN ISSUE TO REHABILITATE THE SANITARY SEWER IN THAT LOCATION.

COUNCIL HAVE ELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACING THAT ONE BLOCK OF WATER LINE.

THAT PORTION IS $47,525.60.

THE AMOUNT CAME IN, THAT'S THE COUNTY'S PORTION WAS HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT, JUST DUE TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN CONSTRUCTION, SEEING AND RECEIVING BIDS FROM THE TIME THAT WE ENTERED INTO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING NOW, Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING KIND OF SMALL POINT REPAIRS FOR SIDEWALKS, FOR INSTANCE. JUST PREVIOUS ITEM AGO WE WERE GETTING $16 SQUARE FOOT FOR SIDEWALK.

TYPICALLY YOU'RE GETTING 6 TO 7.

THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH POPPED UP JUST IN THE LAST YEAR.

SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY HAD AGREED TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL COST OF THE IMPROVEMENT TO WHERE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WILL BE COMPLETELY EXECUTED.

THEY'LL HAVE THE ABANDONMENT OF SHENANGO.

ALSO, THEY'LL HAVE A CONNECTION POINT WHERE THE NEW COURTHOUSE IS GOING TO TIE IN.

SO WITH THAT, HDR RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY AWARD THE CONTRACT TO MATULA MATULA FOR $1,258,432.60.

$1,210,907 WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY.

$47,525.60 WILL BE THE CITY'S PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT.

SO THE WHO GOES? WHO GETS THE BILL? THE COUNTY. THE BILL COMES TO THE CITY.

THE CITY WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE COUNTY.

THIS IS THE CITY'S PROJECT.

YOU'RE RUNNING THE PROJECT, SO IT'LL BE REIMBURSED TO THE COUNTY.

AND I DID. I DID PUT THE AN ATTACHMENT NUMBER SEVEN.

THE COUNTY CONFIRMING THEY WILL COVER.

I SAW THAT. AT THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.

RIGHT. AND THAT WHAT I READ, I BELIEVE IT'S WITHIN SEVERAL DAYS AFTER RECEIVING THE BILL FROM THEM WHERE YOU CAN INVOICE THEM MONTHLY.

IT'S NOT THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

BUT SECTION THREE A OF INTERLOCAL.

IT'S GOT TO BE 45 DAYS AFTER THE.

THERE IT IS. OTHER MILESTONES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, OR IS IT? THERE ARE NO WRITTEN MILESTONES.

WE DO HAVE TO HURRY UP.

AND THE COUNTY WANTS TO TIE IN THE SANITARY SEWER ALONG LOCUST STREET RIGHT AROUND FEBRUARY.

SO THAT IS GOING TO BE A THING THAT WE NEED TO GET IN.

THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF OUR SCHEDULING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO GET THAT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS WITH THE COUNTY AND GET THEM THE ABILITY TO TIE IN ON THAT.

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SO IT'S GOING TO COME FROM OUR WATER FUNDS.

FROM FUND BALANCE? NO, FROM SO I REMEMBER WE DID A RATE INCREASE THIS YEAR AND SO THAT'LL COVER THIS COST.

I DON'T KNOW. RUSS PUTTING EXTRA MONEY IN THERE MUST BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

THERE'S GOT TO BE A COST THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE INCURRED THEN, BECAUSE WHEN WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET WAS TO ABSORB THE RATE INCREASE FROM BWA PLUS SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE HAD.

I DON'T REMEMBER US PUTTING MONEY BACK INTO THE FUND BALANCE.

SO THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S FALLING OFF TO.

TO ACCOMMODATE THIS.

SO WHEN WE APPROVE THE UTILITIES RATE INCREASE THAT COVERS THAT COVERS THIS COST, PLUS WE'VE GOT ALL THE WATER LINES THAT BROKE THIS YEAR AND IT'LL COVER SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY REREVIEW THAT WITH YOU.

PLEASE. IT JUST.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I JUST. I DON'T REMEMBER US PUTTING.

WE'RE HAVING EXTRA FUNDS AVAILABLE FROM THAT.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME PLANS TO DO SOME REPLACEMENTS.

AGAIN. I'M HAPPY TO REREVIEW THAT.

ALL RIGHT. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING HAPPENING IN LOCUST STREET.

WHAT WAS A SEWER AND LOCUST STREET? THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER THAT WE'RE INSTALLING DOWN LOCUST.

OKAY. OKAY. REROUTING.

OKAY. REROUTED TO KEEP IT FROM UNDERNEATH ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I WAS FOCUSING ON ARCOLA, AND I KNEW THEY WASN'T.

OKAY, SIR. YES.

ALL RIGHT. WE'VE HEARD OUR PRESENTATION FROM JOHN.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? JOHN, SO IF THEY GET THIS, SHOULD THIS GET APPROVED THIS EVENING? WHEN DO THEY CAN? WHEN CAN MATULA MATULA START THAT HELPS US STAY WITHIN THE TIME LINE AT THE COUNTY NEEDS.

WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM.

I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM.

THEY WANT TO MOVE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THEY'VE GOT A CREW THAT'S COMING AVAILABLE FROM THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO METULA, MATULA, SO THEY'D LIKE TO WHEN WE GET THIS EXECUTE THE CONTRACT.

CONTRACT EXECUTION IS TYPICALLY 2 TO 3 WEEKS.

WE'LL GET THAT DONE. HAVE A PRE CON.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE DECEMBER STARTING AROUND.

WE'LL HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE COURTHOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL NEED TO DO TO LET THEM KNOW IN CASE THERE'S ANY KIND OF HOLIDAY THINGS HAPPENING AT THAT TIME.

BUT THEY'RE THE ONLY BIDDER.

THEY WERE THE ONLY BIDDER.

ARE THEY ALREADY ON SITE, SIR? ARE THEY ALREADY ON SITE WITH THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION? NO, NO, NO, NO, SIR.

THEY'RE WAITING FOR THIS TO BE EXECUTED TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON JOHN'S QUESTION, WAS THERE JUST A REASON WHY WE DIDN'T GET ANY OTHER BIDS WAS BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL JOB OR EVERYBODY'S SUPER BUSY, JUST THE BIDDING ENVIRONMENT.

WE PUT IT ON SIEVE CAST JUST LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER PROJECT WHERE WE WE TYPICALLY I THINK WE HAD A BUNCH OF BIDDERS.

I THINK WE HAD LIKE 12 PRIME OR TEN PRIME.

I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH ME, BUT WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE PICK UP PLANS.

IT JUST. IT WAS MORE OF A UTILITY PROJECT THAN A PAVING PROJECT MATULA MATULA PAVING.

THE ONLY PAVING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS JUST THAT LAST BLOCK ON ARCOLA TO CEDAR TO LIVE OAK.

THE REST OF IT'S GOING TO BE PIPE BURSTING AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIRECTIONAL DRILLING OR [INAUDIBLE] OF THE WATER LINE ALL IN THAT AREA.

DO YOU KNOW IF THIS THIS SECTION BETWEEN CEDAR AND WITH CEDAR AND WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE THE ONE OF THE FIRST PARTS THAT THEY DO, OR ARE THEY GOING TO OR IS THIS GOING TO BE TOWARD THE TAIL END OF THE PROJECT? OR HAVE YOU EVEN DISCUSSED THAT YET? I'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM ON WHERE THEY WANT TO START PIPE BURSTING.

THE FIRST PART IS GOING TO BE THE LAYING OF THE NEW SEWER LINE AROUND THE FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE WHERE IT COMES ACROSS FROM THE EAST ANNEX BUILDING.

IT COMES ACROSS TO 88 RIGHT THERE.

THEN IT ACTUALLY GOES UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO STOP IT THERE AND REDIRECT IT BACK.

YES. SO THEY'RE DOING ALL THAT, TOO? YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE NUMBER ONE.

THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE NUMBER ONE.

THEY'LL BE DOING THE WATER LINE.

THEY'LL HAVE TO MOVE THAT WATER LINE PRIOR TO PIPE BURSTING IN THAT AREA.

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WELL, I'M AFRAID THAT WHEN YOU START PIPE BURSTING AND THE GROUND.

DISPERSES THAT ENERGY, THAT IT COULD BREAK THAT CAST IRON PIPE.

IT'S SO CLOSE. SO IT HAS TO BE MOVED BEFORE THEY PIPE BURST.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THE PROJECT THAT DOES THAT.

SOMETHING YOU PRESENT TO US A WHILE BACK? YES, SIR. I MEAN, THIS IS KNOWN ABOUT FOR A WHILE.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE. WE WARD THE BRAZORIA COUNTY COURTHOUSE EXPANSION UTILITY AND IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT.

BID OF $1,258,432.60 TO MATULA MATULA CONSTRUCTION INC, WITH THE COUNTIES PORTION BEING $1,210,907 AND THE CITIES PORTION 47,005 25.6.

MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM RIGHT.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

NEXT NUMBER 15 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ANGLETON OPERATIONS COMPLEX AND THE PATH FORWARD.

[15. Discussion and possible action on the Angleton Operations Complex and the path forward.]

I'LL START. GO AHEAD, SIR.

SO ONE OF THE JOYS OF MISSING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING IS I THINK I MISSED SOME GUIDANCE AND JUST WANT TO.

NOT SAYING I UNDERSTAND, DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I KIND OF NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP.

SO REFRESH.

ORIGINALLY WE WERE AT 901 VELASCO.

WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING THERE.

WE GAVE YOU ANOTHER OPTION THAT WENT BY THE WAYSIDE.

WHAT I SEEM TO THINK I UNDERSTAND IS WE WANT TO LOOK AT A POTENTIAL HYBRID THING, LOWER FACILITY AT 9:01 AND THEN THIS OTHER BUILDING.

AT A FUTURE LOCATION SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT LOCATION SPECIFICALLY.

REALLY WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS LET'S SAY SO WE'VE GOT 20,000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

LET'S SAY WE HAVE 10,000 AT 9:01 AND WE HAVE 10,000 THAT WE WANT TO MOVE TO THIS NEW LOCATION.

IF THAT'S THE GUIDANCE AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT OR PURSUE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.

BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN OTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF ANGLETON, THE FUTURE OF CITY FACILITIES.

AND SO IF WE SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE THIS UP, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MOVE UTILITY BUILDING TO THAT LOCATION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AS FAR AS FEASIBILITY REQUIREMENTS? SO IF THE NUMBER IS 2000 SQUARE FEET, WHAT THEY NEED THE REAL REQUIREMENT, THIS OTHER LOCATION WOULD BE 12,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET AT THE.

ORIGINAL LOCATION.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND.

AND AGAIN, IF WE WANT TO PURSUE PROPERTIES AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S Y'ALL'S CALL.

AND WE'LL WE'LL YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE THAT FEASIBILITY AND SAY, OKAY, THAT 12,000 SQUARE FEET OR MAYBE IT'S 15,000 OR MAYBE WE WANT TO MOVE MUNICIPAL COURT OR OR SOMETHING.

WHAT'S THAT TOTAL NUMBER THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY OF THE LESS THAN $10 MILLION NOW THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS FACILITY, WILL THAT COVER IT? SO IT'S AGAIN, WE'RE AT 25,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL FOR EVERYTHING WE WANT ALL IN.

AND NOW THE COST IS $8 MILLION.

OR WHATEVER. SO REMEMBER THE $10 MILLION? APPROXIMATELY 400,000 IS GOING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUILDING.

WE PURCHASED THE GENERATOR WITH THE TRAILER.

SO WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'VE COMMITTED TO PROJECTS.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE GENERATOR AND TRAILER HOPEFULLY IN DECEMBER.

WE'RE GOING OUT. WE WENT OUT FOR OUR RFQ FOR ARCHITECTURE.

WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU SHORTLY AND MOVE THAT PROJECT ALONG.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT AT $10 MILLION ANYMORE FOR WHATEVER THIS COMPLEX IS.

SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE DIRECTION.

I GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND WE CAN PAY OUR ARCHITECT TO GO, COME UP WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND COSTS AND, YOU KNOW, BUT EVERYTHING HAS A COST.

GETTING BRANT TO DO FEASIBILITY THAT'S GOING TO SPEND SOME MORE MONEY DOING THAT.

WE'RE IN MODULAR BUILDINGS AND SO.

YOU KNOW, THE LONGER WE PROCEED DOWN THIS PATH OF NOT MAKING A DECISION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST EXTENDING OUT THE

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AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS, AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VARIABLES ON IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOR DISCUSSIONS LATER AND REMEMBER FROM THE LEGAL PIECE, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAVE TO EXPEND CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION IN THREE YEARS FROM WHEN YOU TAKE THEM.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A CONSTRUCTION CYCLE AND THE DESIGN PROCESS, I MEAN, WE GOT THEM IN THE SPRING, I THINK, OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND SO BY THE TIME WE'RE READY TO EXECUTE NOW, MAYBE NEXT SPRING AND IT'S ALREADY ONE YEAR INTO THREE YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED CONSTRUCTION.

AND I'M NOT SAYING LIKE SOME YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST SUBJECT TO AUDIT FOR SOMEONE COMING DOWN AND SAYING, HOW COME YOU HAVEN'T? AND THE LAW IS TO KEEP PEOPLE, KEEP ORGANIZATIONS FROM MAKING LIKE A SLUSH FUND AND JUST LIKE, HEY, WE GOT THIS LITTLE RESERVE OVER HERE AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO WRITE JUST FOR THE TASK AND PURPOSE.

AND IT'S A DEFINED PERIOD TO GET THOSE PROJECTS DONE.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS I'M OPEN TO.

ALL RIGHT, SIR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THINKING, POINTS TO DIRECT TOWARD STAFF.

SO I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE THIS CAREFULLY HERE.

THE IN MY MIND, THE BIG PICTURE HAS CHANGED.

SINCE WE WENT OUT FOR THEIR CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.

THE CONCEPT IS SIMILAR.

THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS AT 901.

IT FEARS WE HAVE BASICALLY CIRCLED BACK.

TO WORK THAT LOCATION.

FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

AND AS YOU STATED, THINGS DIDN'T WORK OUT ON A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

SO THAT LEAVES US 901.

THERE'S APPEARS TO BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT COME TO FRUITION, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

WE COULD STILL DEVELOP 901 WITH THE IDEA THAT SOME OFFICE LOCATIONS MAY BE REASSIGNED TO A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION IN THE CITY.

BUT YOU STILL HAVE ALL THE GROUNDS YOU WOULD NEED OUT AT THAT LOCATION.

PLUS HOPEFULLY FACILITIES THAT MATCH THAT WITH THE ROOM FOR GROWTH.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO TALK EXTRAPOLATE BECAUSE WE'RE WE ARE TAKING A BUNCH OF VARIABLES IN EFFECT.

I MEAN, SOME TRULY UNKNOWNS.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF.

AND IF WE DIDN'T EXPLORE THAT OPPORTUNITY, WE MAY REALLY REGRET.

NOT LOOKING INTO THAT OPPORTUNITY.

WHILE IT'S PRESENTED.

AND IT MAY IT MAY COME, IT MAY PASS WITHOUT US EVER GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY.

SO THIS MAY BE OUR MOMENT, AND IT SURE WOULD BE A SHAME FOR US TO MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY.

TO DEVELOP A LOCATION AS ROBUSTLY AS WE WERE THINKING ORIGINALLY.

THAT MAY PREVENT US MONETARILY FROM EXPLORING THIS OTHER OPPORTUNITY.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO.

STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOT TO BE USED, BUT THAT CAN BE DONE.

THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.

THAT'S NOT. INSTEAD OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF LOCATION.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU CAN'T PUT TEN HERE.

WITH A MASTER PLAN THAT MAYBE MAKES IT EVEN BIGGER AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

NOT EVEN MAYBE, BUT WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE IT BIGGER.

IT'S A LONG TERM PROJECT FOR THE CITY, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD VISION.

THAT OBVIOUSLY CONTINUITY ON COUNCIL OR STAFF WOULD HELP FACILITATE.

AND ONCE IF WE DO GO THAT ROUTE, THEN.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE ALMOST LIKE A MASTER PLAN TYPE OF IDEA THAT THIS IS THE IDEA OF CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S WE BELIEVE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY AT THIS TIME TO GO IN THIS ROUTE, LIKE I SAID, TO A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY GUIDELINE WITHOUT SAYING TOO MUCH SPECIFICS.

ANYBODY ELSE. HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE SPEND ON THE FEASIBILITY AND THE DRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING FOR WHAT DIDN'T COME?

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I WOULD REALLY BE OPEN TO US HAVING SOME KIND OF WORKSHOP SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET TOGETHER AND HAVE OUR IDEAS.

BUILD A PICTURE.

WORK IT OUT SO THAT WE AREN'T HERE AGAIN IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

REPEATING THIS PROCESS.

WELL, THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR THAT SUGGESTION.

CECIL. MARK, THE COMMENT IN THE ITEM TONIGHT WAS THE SEEKING DIRECTION.

AND THANK YOU. THERE'S I'M SEEKING DIRECTION ALSO FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE USING THESE FACILITIES. I'M NOT GOING TO THROW IT UNDER THE BUS, BUT I GOT TO I GOT TO HOLD UP ON IT FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW THEY FUNCTION.

THEY'VE GOT BLACK MAGIC THAT THEY WORK WITH.

BUT FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT.

AND IF YOU HAVE THE AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT OUT IN THE FIELD.

I THINK MOST OF YOUR ROLLING STOCK.

MAINTAINERS, GRADALLS, BACKHOES, SHREDDERS, TRACTORS ALL THESE ITEMS THAT.

WORKERS MOUNT AND WORK OFF OF THOSE NEED TO BE IN A CENTRAL LOCATION.

YOUR MOTOR POOL, SO TO SPEAK.

I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF I'M IF I'M MAKING THESE ASSUMPTIONS INCORRECTLY.

BUT SOMEWHERE IN THAT SAME GENERAL LOCATION IS WHERE YOUR DAY TO DAY MAINTENANCE IS DONE.

CHANGING THE OIL.

YOU KNOW, DOING THINGS DAILY THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.

SHARPENING THE BLADES ON ALL YOUR MOWERS AND SHREDDERS AND STUFF.

HOPEFULLY SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS USED IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

YOU'VE GOT A BACKHOE THAT'S USED PRIMARILY IN IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE USED IN IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION.

SO WHEN THESE WHEN THE FOLKS COME TO WORK IN THE MORNING, THEY COME TO A CENTRAL LOCATION WHERE THEIR EQUIPMENT IS.

THEY GET THEIR ASSIGNMENTS FOR THAT DAY, THEN THEY DEPART AND GO DO THEIR JOBS.

WHATEVER HAPPENS AT LUNCHTIME, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE SHOP OR THEY JUST STAY WHERE THEY ARE.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY COME BACK, PUT THEIR STUFF AWAY, MAKE THEIR END OF DAY REPORTS, AND THEY GO HOME.

SO THE WORKING OUT EVERYBODY'S WORKING OUT OF ME.

AND THEY'RE NOT BACK AND FORTH A WHOLE LOT.

ALL DAY LONG THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO THE RAMBLE ALONG HERE BUT SINGING THAT.

PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS AND REC OPERATIONAL STUFF.

I SEE A GOOD PLACE IS THAT 901 SOUTH BLASCO, THERE'S 4.4 ACRES DOWN THERE.

AND YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH, THERE'S STILL QUITE A BIT OF AREA THAT CAN BE UTILIZED.

AND I'M SORRY I'M DISSING Y'ALL.

I DON'T MEAN TO TALK, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE DOWN THAT CAN BE UTILIZED.

YOU CAN MAKE IT MAKE THE STUFF THAT YOU OWN IS FUNCTIONAL THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY CAN.

WE OWN.

I THINK WE PROBABLY OWN THAT PROPERTY OUTRIGHT.

I DON'T THINK WE OWE ANY MONEY ON IT.

I THINK IT'S BEEN PAID OFF.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER TWO ACRES OVER SOUTH ANDERSON STREET BY THEM, THE ANIMAL SHELTER THAT'S COLLECTING WHATEVER.

BUT STUFF THAT MIGHT BE AN ITEM IN OUR AREA TO MAYBE PUT ANOTHER FACILITY THERE.

IT'S JUST SITTING THERE. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S GOT SOME CONTAINERS IN THE BACK OF AN OLD TRAILER BACK THERE.

OTHER STUFF THAT IF IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY USE, I WOULD SUGGEST WE MAYBE THINK ABOUT SURPLUS AND IN GETTING THAT GETTING OUT OF OUR HAIR.

. OR AT LEAST STORING EQUIPMENT THAT'S NOT USED EVERY DAY.

SO, YOU KNOW. YEAH.

SO I MEAN, JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONTAINERS OUT THERE ARE STORING EQUIPMENT SINCE WE TORE DOWN THE BARNS AND IN THE OLD CARVER BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE TORE DOWN OR WE YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOCKED OUR FOLKS OUT OF THE OPERATIONAL OFFICES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO MOVE THAT STUFF.

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SO I'M WITH MS..

DANIEL ON COMING UP WITH A MAYBE A WORKSHOP THAT WE CAN.

VISIT MORE.

WE'VE EXPLORED THESE OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO EXPLORE THE OTHER OPTIONS, AND THAT'S TAKING TIME AT LEAST A MONTH OR TWO OR THREE.

SO I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN PRUDENT ON PURSUING THIS.

WE'VE ALSO HAD TO PURSUE OTHER THINGS BESIDES THIS.

WELL, THIS BUILDING I DON'T WANT TO SOUND DEFENSIVE, BUT I DON'T WANT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY FAIR TO SAY THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

LIKE CITY COUNCIL HAS JUST CHANGED THEIR MINDS.

NO, SIR. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

I BELIEVE IT WAS CITY STAFF WHO REAPPROACHED US ABOUT THIS OTHER LOCATION.

YES, SIR. AND ASKED US TO RECONSIDER.

SO IT WASN'T US ASKING CITY COUNCIL STAFF TO RECONSIDER.

IT WAS CITY STAFF ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER LOCATIONS.

SO. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S INNUENDO OR JUST.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE NOT BEING INDECISIVE.

IT WAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

WE GAVE IT SOME DIFFERENT GUIDANCE.

IT DIDN'T WORK OUT.

NOW WE COME BACK KIND OF CIRCLE BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL PLAN.

WITH SOME ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE ADDITIONAL THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THAT TIME.

IT'S NOTHING STATIC, IT'S DYNAMIC, IT'S A DYNAMIC SITUATION.

SO I GET YOU'RE WANTING US TO MOVE ALONG, BUT WE'RE NOT DRAGGING OUR FEET, YOU KNOW.

SO WE'LL BE HAPPY TO BE HAPPY TO.

YEAH. TO MAKE YOU KNOW, WE DID BRING THAT TO YOU ALL TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WE ALL CONSIDER BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST.

AND SO THAT JUNCTURE IS PASSED.

THERE'S BEEN OTHER IDEAS INTRODUCED.

AND SO, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST SEEKING GUIDANCE ON, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MOVE THIS ALONG TO ATTAIN WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE CITY . AND I'M OPEN TO A WORKSHOP AS SOON AS PRACTICAL.

I MEAN, I'M BUT I FEEL LIKE SO FAR I'VE HEARD A PRETTY CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION ACROSS CITY COUNCIL.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. MAYOR OR MR. MAYOR PRO TEM HAVE TO SAY, BUT I WAS LETTING EVERYBODY ELSE GO FIRST.

BUT I FEEL LIKE. ANYWAY, I'M JUST.

JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I.

NO, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. SO FIRST OFF, I HAVEN'T WAVERED SINCE DAY ONE ON THIS PROPERTY.

I'VE SAID WE NEED TO BE AT 901 SOUTH DOWNING FOR OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND FOR OUR PARKS PERSONNEL.

I'VE BEEN OPEN TO EXPLORING THE OTHER AREAS.

I THINK THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US ARE WORTH EXPLORING.

AND WE WOULD BE DOING INJUSTICE TO THE CITIZENS IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT FOR THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR.

BUT I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THE CITIZENS WHO ARE WATCHING OR HERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING REALLY CAN'T BE DISCUSSED IN OPEN SESSION BECAUSE THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDER CONTRACT OR TO BE UNDER CONTRACT AND WE DON'T WANT TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THEM.

SO IF YOU WONDER WHY WE'RE KIND OF SPEAKING INNUENDO AND KIND OF BACK AND FORTH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AS FOR THE WORKSHOP, I TOTALLY AGREE ON A WORKSHOP, BUT I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR IN EXECUTIVE SESSION SO WE CAN FULLY VET THESE LOCATIONS AND TALK ABOUT THEM NOT IN OPEN SESSION, BUT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS OF THE VERY BEGINNING.

I THINK FIRST OFF, 901 SOUTH DOWNING, IN MY OPINION, IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR PARKS PERSONNEL THAT ARE TAKING AND MAINTAINING OUR PARKS.

FROM THAT POINT, I THINK WHATEVER THAT COST IS.

AND I THINK COUNCILMAN BOOTH MADE A COMMENT AND I AGREE IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW FROM STAFF WHAT YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE IF YOU'RE JUST RUNNING OPERATIONS OUT OF THERE.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION LAST TIME.

SO I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BUILDING THERE THAT ADDRESSES THAT FOR THE LONG TERM FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

BUT FOR EVERYONE WHO'S ADMINISTRATIVE OR NOT WORKING OVER THERE, THAT'S WHAT THIS OTHER OPPORTUNITY IS FOR.

AND I THINK THAT TO ME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND CRUCIAL PIECE BECAUSE THAT WASN'T AVAILABLE AT THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN WE DID THIS BOND.

NOW, ALSO TO ADDRESS THE BOND AND OR THE DEBT SERVICE AND WHAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS AND I THINK ANYONE THAT LOOKED AT IT WOULD SAY YOU'RE TAKING ACTION, YOU'RE NOT SITTING ON THE MONEY.

SO I THINK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE FINE.

BUT I JUST I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US.

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AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR HOMEWORK ON IT AND GET IT RIGHT FOR THEM AND MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, JOHN, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID, THESE ARE THE DECISIONS THAT WE GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS FOR TO SET UP HERE TO MAKE BECAUSE IT'S THE FUTURE.

AND ONCE WE MAKE THAT DECISION, WE'VE GOT TO GO WITH IT.

AND WE HOPE THAT IT BENEFITS US 20 YEARS FROM NOW.

AND IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, OVER A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.

I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS.

I'M ALL ABOUT THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT WORK IN THOSE BUILDINGS.

THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT MAKE IT SHINE.

THOSE ARE THE FOLKS.

AND I'M ALL ABOUT THEIR INPUT AND I'M ALL ABOUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THEIR NEEDS BECAUSE WE DON'T SIT IN THOSE SHOES EVERY DAY.

IT'S THOSE FOLKS WHO SIT IN THOSE SHOES.

AND I'M NOT USING THOSE FOLKS AS A NEGATIVE WEIGHT JUST TO CATEGORIZE YOU, YOU GUYS OVER THERE.

SO, YES, A WORKSHOP WILL BE GREAT.

AND IT'S JUST WE'VE BEEN THROWING SOME CURVEBALLS.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. AND SO WE'VE JUST HAD TO KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MORE FLUID AND WE'RE JUST MOVING AROUND TRYING TO MANEUVER THIS BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT THAT'S CLOSE TO $10 MILLION WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE FUTURE.

I LEAN ON THEM TO TELL US WHAT THEY NEED.

THEY LEAN ON US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT.

THEY WORK IT.

YOU KNOW, GUYS. I'M ALL ABOUT SAFETY, TOO.

WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.

WE IS 901 THE PERFECT SPOT? MAYBE. IS IT THE CLOSEST ONE WE'RE GOING TO GET? MAYBE. BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THE SAFETY FACTOR OF THEM HAVING TO USE THAT STREET AS AN AMBULANCE.

INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS WORKED ON THE STREET HAS BEEN THE MANY ACCIDENTS RIGHT THERE.

BECAUSE PEOPLE MAKING THAT ILLEGAL U-TURN THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT THESE FOLKS IN THAT POSITION OR THEM DOING THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING ILLEGAL IN FRONT OF THEM.

THEY HAVE AN ACCIDENT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I HAVE HEARTBURN WITH THAT PLACE IS THAT INTERSECTION.

I CHALLENGE EACH ONE OF YOU, GO OUT THERE FOR 2 HOURS AND GO WATCH WHAT GOES ON AT THAT INTERSECTION AROUND THAT FACILITY.

AND THEN YOU MAY CHANGE YOUR MIND.

IT MAY NOT, BUT IT IS TO ME IS A LEVEL OF OF CONCERN.

I MEAN, THEY'RE DRIVING BIG TRUCKS, THEY'RE DRIVING SLOWER MOVING VEHICLES.

THEY CAN'T PUNCH IT AND GET OUT OF THE WAY OF SOMEBODY IF THEY'RE DRIVING A DUMP TRUCK OR PULLING A BIG TRAILER.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF TORN IS.

I'M ALL ABOUT IF WE CAN SAVE MONEY BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE TO PURCHASE LAND ANYWHERE AND USE A CURRENT PIECE OF LAND, I'M ALL FOR IT.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SAFETY OF THE GUYS THAT HAVE TO GO TO THAT FACILITY AND WORK THERE, AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.

I'M ALL IN AGREEMENT MR. BOOTH AND MS. DANIEL LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP AND FIGURE OUT, LEGALLY WISE, WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE CAN GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I KNOW THERE'S RULES FOR US, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DRAG IT ANY FURTHER CHRIS I WANT TO MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG.

IT'S BEEN A VISION FOR THE CITY AND COUNCIL AND I WANT TO SEE IT MOVE AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT SITTING ON IT, BUT LIKE PEOPLE SAY, GOVERNMENT WORK SLOW AND TO ME IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE RUNNING SLOW.

I GET IT. BUT CHRIS, WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH STAFF ON A DATE REAL QUICK, AS SOON AS PRACTICAL.

WE KNOW WE'RE FIRST AT THE HOLIDAY SEASON, SO IT MAY BE A LITTLE TOUGH, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING A SATURDAY AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, IF IT HAS BE SATURDAY AND I KNOW FOR YOU GUYS I WANT TO WORK ANY MORE THAN YOU HAVE TO CALL ALREADY ON LATE HOURS.

BUT I THINK THAT MAY BE THE NEXT THING AND INVITE SOME STAFF AND LET'S WORK THIS OUT AND AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND TO DO OUTS.

ONE IS A WORKSHOP FOR FUTURE LOCATIONS AND OR FUNCTIONS THAT GO INTO THAT FUTURE LOCATION.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS WE WILL GET A FEASIBILITY DONE ON 901 GLASGOW WITH A MINIMUM FOOTPRINT THAT ALLOWS THE OPERATORS AND MAINTAINERS TO DO BUSINESS.

SO THAT'S SHOP.

CONFERENCE ROOM. BATHROOMS. BREAK AREA. YES. PLUS, I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING OUT INTO THE FIELD AND COMING BACK.

IT'S WHATEVER ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE TO KEEP THOSE.

SO MAYBE SUPERVISOR OFFICES, MAYBE.

EXACTLY. AND I WOULD ADVISE PLUS 20% BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GROW.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GROW INTO, NOT JUST WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.

SO YOU BET.

YEAH. I THINK I UNDERSTAND THOSE TWO TASKS.

AND WE'LL WORK TO GET A WORKSHOP SOMETIME TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND STEPH, BEAR WITH US.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT.

AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE TO ENDURE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A NICE TRAILER THAT THE LET THE RESIDENTS ARE LISTENING.

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BUT THEY MEAN SOMETHING PERMANENT. IT'S NOT A TRAILER.

IT'S A PORTABLE BUILDING.

THAT'S RIGHT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD, CHRIS.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG. I HAVE NUMBER 16, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE COMMENT ON FUTURE AND POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT APPLICATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF

[16. Presentation, discussion, and possible comment on future and potential development project applications for development in the City of Angleton and in the ETJ: 1. Stasny Ranch a mixed-use development with residential, commercial, and industrial uses, 2. Austin Colony Development amendments, revisions, modifications requested by the developer on a previously approved development with executed development agreement, and 3. Ashland Development/Ashton Gray. Staff would like to update City Council on development status and agreements, and outstanding related issues. Questions will be addressed by Senior Leadership and project representatives. No action is required.]

A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.

NUMBER TWO, AUSTIN COLONY DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENTS, REVISIONS, MODIFICATIONS REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER ON A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT WITH EXECUTED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND NUMBER THREE, ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT.

ASHTON GRAY STAFF WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT STATUS AND AGREEMENTS AND OUTSTANDING RELATED ISSUES.

QUESTIONS WILL BE ADDRESSED BY SENIOR LEADERSHIP AND PROJECT REPRESENTATIVES.

NO ACTION IS REQUIRED AND I DO HAVE ONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

SIGN UP FOR ITEM NUMBER 16.

SO, MR. OTIS, CAN I JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK, JESS, PLEASE? SO THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE TO YOU ALL.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WE WANT THE BEST PRODUCT BOARD SO WE CAN HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT, IF IF THERE'S STICKING POINTS THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE AS WE LAUNCH IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, THIS IS A STANDARD.

COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM.

WE'RE SLED BY STAFF CLEARLY TOLD THE DEVELOPERS ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND.

THEY CAN SIGN UP TO TALK.

WE DID NOT ASK THEM TO MAKE PRESENTATIONS.

WE'RE NOT GOING.

EDITING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THIS IS REALLY AS AS THINGS MOVE ALONG YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OR RAISE CONCERNS TO STAFF THAT WE CAN ADDRESS AS WE DO OUR WORKING GROUPS TO TALK WITH THE DEVELOPERS.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND THANK YOU CITY MANAGER CHRIS WHITAKER.

HE SAID BASICALLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT YEAH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION.

WE WOULD LIKE TO PREVENT PRESENT THESE THREE ITEMS TO YOU.

THERE ARE SOME PENDING QUESTIONS THAT THE DEVELOPERS WOULD LIKE INFORMATION ON, AND I'LL TRY TO OUTLINE THOSE THINGS IN EACH OF THE THREE.

WE'LL START WITH THE STATS NEED DEVELOPMENT.

AS YOU KNOW, IT'S LOCATED OFF OF HIGHWAY 35 AT THE TWO 288 JUNCTION.

IT'S ACTUALLY LAND THAT PARALLELS 288, BUT THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY AS YOU SEE ON THE LAYOUT HERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE ZOOMED IN ON AT ALL, BUT THE RED PINKISH AREA IS ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL.

MUCH OF THAT LAND IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

IT HAS A ZONING DESIGNATION FOR COMMERCIAL, BUT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS SO THAT THEY CAN DELINEATE THE CITY LIMITS ON THE MAP.

THAT WAY WE CAN DEFINITELY ADVISE THEM ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT.

I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD.

YOU HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THIS PLAN BY THE DEVELOPER WITH ALL OF THE AMENITIES, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR GREEN LIGHT FROM VARIOUS REVIEWERS, SUCH AS STAFF WHO WAS LOOKING AT THIS? OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAS SOME MAJOR CONCERNS OVER THE PARKLAND DEDICATION IN TERMS OF THOSE FACILITIES THAT WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED.

THERE'S A CENTER PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEDICATED FOR PARKLAND IN WHICH STASTNY DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU KNOW, IS 300 ACRES OF THAT 60 ACRES IS DEDICATED TO PARKS AND LAKES.

BUT OUR CONCERN WOULD BE WHAT TYPE OF RECREATIONAL USES WILL BE PRESENTED THERE? WILL IT BE. PHYSICAL FACILITIES IN WHICH THE PUBLIC CAN UTILIZE, OR WOULD IT BE PASSIVE RECREATION? SO THOSE SORT OF DETAILS AND THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT'S BEING DEDICATED WILL BE A QUESTION THAT WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE DEVELOPER ON.

SO WE WANTED TO JUST UPDATE YOU THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN DRAFTED.

IT'S BEEN CIRCULATED BEFORE.

LEGAL WHO IS REVIEWING THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? OUR ENGINEERING TEAM WITH HDR HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL AS WELL.

AND THEN OUR OF COURSE PROFESSIONAL STAFF WILL BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT WE NEED.

THE IDEA WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND IT WILL HAVE THE CAVEATS OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT CERTAIN AMENITIES THAT CAN BE SHAPED TO FIT THE.

THE CODES OF THE CITY.

SO I THINK THEIR WISH WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT ACCORDING TO THE CITY STANDARDS.

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RATE TO ALLOW FOR ESTHETICS.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ESTHETIC THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE PROJECT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WE'LL HAVE THOSE OUTLINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO THE DEVELOPER HAS LISTED, OF COURSE, A SERIES OF INCENTIVES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO YOU IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEING THE LIVE WORK AND PLAY TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT HOWEVER, THEY'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING IN THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED THAT OUTLINE.

THEY WILL PRESENT SOME OF THAT TO YOU TONIGHT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FROM YOU.

WOULD BE THOSE SIX POINTS THAT ARE OUTLINED ON PAGE 126 IN THE HANDOUT IN WHICH THEY'RE ASKING THAT YOU WOULD CONSENT TO THE INNER CITY MUD CONCEPT, THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THE MASTER LAND CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU SEE THERE, WHICH WOULD HOST THE INDUSTRIAL USE AT THE 150 ACRES, 62 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL, 50 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL.

AND AS I STATED, THE PARK LAND AT 60 ACRES THAT YOU SEE THERE, OUR CONCERN WOULD BE ALTHOUGH WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE.

INDUSTRIAL USER WOULD BE THAT THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL BE PROVIDED TO STAFF THAT WE CAN SHAPE INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, SUCH AS SOMETIMES YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO YOU DON'T SEE DETAILS SUCH AS SETBACK, BUFFER AREA SCREENING, THOSE SORT OF DETAILS.

AS STAFF, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FORWARD THAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL TO YOU.

THAT NEEDS TO BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

DEALING WITH THE ACCESS ON AND OFF OF 35 AND OTHER ROUTES THAT YOU SEE THE THOROUGHFARE THAT IS MEANDERING THROUGH THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE THERE.

SO THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME IDEA ON THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO OCCUR AS WELL AS INTERNALLY.

I KNOW THAT I'M SAYING A LOT, BUT I WANTED TO JUST UPDATE YOU THAT OUR BOND COUNCIL HAS REVIEWED THIS.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO FEED YOU INFORMATION REGARDING THEIR NEED TO TO LOOK AT THIS IN MORE GREATER DETAIL, TO PROVIDE IT TO BE PROVIDED MORE DETAILED INFORMATION SO THAT THEY CAN DO A MORE DETAILED FINANCIAL ANALYSIS TO ADVISE YOU ON WHAT'S BEING ASKED.

THEY, IN NUMBER THREE, ARE ASKING YOU TO COMMIT TO A 75 REBATE REBATE ON THE CITY TAX RATE TO THE MUD IN A 380 STRUCTURE TO REIMBURSE THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THEN THEY'RE MENTIONING ZONING VARIANCES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR 50 FOOT LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THAT APPROVAL FOR AT LEAST 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

AND THAT WE WOULD GRANT THEM THE OR ASSIST THEM IN OBTAINING RIGHT AWAY IF NEEDED FOR THE COLLECTOR ROAD THAT WE MENTIONED THAT WOULD TAKE THEM OVER TO ANCHOR.

SO WHERE ARE THEY MENTIONING LIKE ZONING VARIANCE? WE PROBABLY WOULD UTILIZE THE WORD DEVIATION FROM OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES INSTEAD OF VARIANCE, BUT THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WILL WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER.

SO I KNOW I RAN THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.

YOU HAVE THE OUTLINE BEFORE YOU.

THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS OR MORE POINTS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD.

WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON.

BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ACTION TONIGHT.

BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT NOTHING FORMALLY HAS BEEN APPROVED AT THIS POINT.

WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THE COUNTY, I THINK, HAS THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER AGREEMENT IN THEIR HANDS.

IF NOT, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THIS AS WELL AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS.

SO THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE ON STAFF.

AND YES, THEY STATED THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT IF THEY WILL.

JUST A REMINDER THAT YOU DO HAVE THE POSITION OF THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR FOR THE CITY IN FRONT OF YOU.

YES. THANK YOU.

DO WE WANT TO ALLOW FOR ASKING QUESTIONS NOW FOR THE ITEM NUMBER ONE, I WOULD SAY JUST FIELD ANY QUESTIONS.

AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN ANSWER, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS IN THE ROOM THAT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND PARTICULARLY THE DEVELOPER.

SO DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS ONE AT A TIME?

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THEN NUMBER THREE. SOUNDS GOOD.

OK COUNCIL.

QUESTIONS. COMMENTS.

I DON'T KNOW THIS PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

BUT JUST ANY TIME THERE'S A MUD OR A PIT OR WHATEVER ATTACHED TO IT.

I'VE SAID IT LEFT A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH.

I'M SORRY, GUYS. I UNDERSTAND.

IT'S A FUNNY MECHANISM, BUT IT DOES FAVOR YOU AND NOT THE RESIDENTS.

I DON'T KNOW. I THINK MY STANCE, MY STANCE IS THAT IS.

CHARGE FOR THE VALUE OF THE LAND WHEREVER YOU PUT ON IT, CHARGE IT ASKING PRICE.

DON'T HAVE A 30 YEAR TAX ON IT.

WHATEVER, HOWEVER LONG THE MUD IS.

IS THIS GOING TO BE CITY WATER IN WASTEWATER? IS THIS GOING TO BE.

ON SITE FACILITIES.

WELL, MY NAME IS STEPHEN EUSTACE.

I'M WITH BAIRD. I'M WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER.

WE WOULD BE THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO THE PROPOSED DISTRICT.

I THE CITY WATER OR LET THE DEVELOPER ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I. YOU MENTIONED THE TAX RATE AND THE IMPACT.

I'D BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND DISCUSS HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

I'M SORRY. COULD YOU PLEASE? YEAH, SURE. SO THE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN TAX RATE IN ADDITION TO THE CITY'S TAX RATE, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE AN INNER CITY MODE, AS STATED.

SO IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE BOTH THOSE TAX RATES WOULD EXIST, THAT IT WOULD BE.

OF COURSE, NOTIFICATION IS GIVEN TO RESIDENTS WHEN THEY MOVE BEFORE THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, THAT THE TAX RATE EXISTS AND THEY CAN CHOOSE TO LIVE THERE OR NOT.

THAT THE TRADEOFF, OF COURSE, IS THAT THE HIGHER LEVEL THERE'S IT'S A MORE MONETIZED.

COMMUNITY AND WE PAY FOR OUR OWN GROWTH SO THE DISTRICT DOES NOT.

WOULD EXTEND THE LINES TO PAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND THE CITY WOULD NOT BE YOU KNOW THEY WOULD ISSUE THEIR OWN DEBT TO COVER THOSE COSTS. THE DEVELOPER IS WOULD FRONT END ALL OF THOSE COSTS AT THE.

TO BE REIMBURSED IN THE FUTURE IF THE PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL AND ONLY AT THAT TIME WOULD BONDS BE ISSUED.

BUT IT IS A THEY'RE INFORMED BEFORE THEY PURCHASED THEIR LAND OR THEIR HOUSE AND THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT BEFORE THEY MOVE IN.

QUESTIONS AROUND THAT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TOTAL UPFRONT COSTS WOULD BE RIGHT NOW? OR ANY BALLPARK? I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.

IN FACT, IT IS WITHIN THIS PACKAGE HERE SOMEWHERE AROUND $1 BILLION.

AND THAT'S A WHOLE LIST OF ITEMS THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WOULD GO INTO THE 300 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.

SURE. AND ALL OF THE 1 BILLION ALL OF THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE.

NO, A LOT OF THAT IS PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE INDUSTRIAL USER.

BUT BUT SOMEWHERE AROUND A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THAT $1 BILLION WOULD BE ALTHOUGH IT'S A BIG NUMBER, IT'S PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, PARKS, TRAILS, STREETS, DRAINAGE, ETC.

PLANTS, WATER AND SEWER PLANTS.

WOULD YOU BE APPLYING THE THE TERMS OR THE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ASKED FOR A PID, BUT NO, WOULD YOU BE APPLYING THE MUD TAX OR A TERS EQUALLY ACROSS FULL DEVELOPMENT? OR WOULD THE INDUSTRIAL USER BE EXCLUDED? YEAH, IT'S A COMBINATION OF MUD TAX AND CITY REIMBURSEMENT TO APPLY TO TO BE APPLIED TO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT YOU WOULD APPLY IT TO THE INDUSTRIAL USER AS WELL FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT FOR THE INTERNAL PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS.

INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER AND SEWER, LET'S SAY TO SERVE THE INDUSTRIAL USER.

YES. ONLY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

NO PRIVATE ONSITE IMPROVEMENTS.

OKAY. AND I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THE THE MUD QUESTION.

WE ARE ASKING FOR A MUD, NOT A PID, NOT ANY OTHER SPECIAL DISTRICT, A MUD AND A 380 CONTRACT REIMBURSEMENT.

I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN A MUD.

I LIVE IN A LYDD AND I PAY HOA DUES AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I GET FOR MY TAXES AND FEES AND I APPRECIATE THAT IT HAS MADE MY HOME AND OUR COMMUNITY AFFORDABLE, FRANKLY.

AND THERE'S I MAY GET THIS NUMBER A LITTLE BIT WRONG, BUT THERE ARE ABOUT 1500 OF THEM IN THE HOUSTON REGION.

AND FRANKLY, HOUSTON IS A LEADER IN PROVIDING AFFORDABLE, QUALITY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES.

WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO THE REMAINDER OF THE UNITED STATES, WE'RE A LEADER IN THAT.

AND A BIG PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING THROUGH MUDS, THE MUD YOU LIVE IN, OR YOU ALSO IN PAYING A CITY TAX TO A CITY

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WE COULD DO THE PROJECT IN THE.

BUT WE'VE. YOU KNOW, FIGURE THAT YOU WOULD APPRECIATE US BEING IN THE CITY LIMITS.

YEAH. SO YEAH, THE COMBINED TAX RATE BECAUSE WE CANNOT HAVE A MUD THAT WITH A CITY TAX THAT EXCEEDS THE DOLLAR 50 IT'S A STATE LAW.

SO THE MUD TAX WOULD BE LESS SOMEWHERE AROUND $0.81 TO COMBINE IT WITH THE CITY TAX OF SOMEWHERE AROUND 6869 FOR A TOTAL OF $1.50. ARE YOU SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE MAXING OUT THE TAX BUT IF THE CITY WAS TO DECREASE ITS TAX RATE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, CAN YOU ALSO INCREASE YOURS TO OFFSET THAT EACH TIME? SO AS OUR TAX RATE DECREASES, COULD YOU OFFSET THAT AND KEEP THE MAX 150? I MEAN, LEGALLY, THE ANSWER IS YES.

THE THE TC, WHICH REGULATES THE TAX RATE UNDER STATE LAW, DOES ALLOW IT'S A DOLLAR 50 CAP THAT CAN MOVE.

I THINK FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, THE IDEA OF RAISING YOUR TAX RATE WITH EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THE DISTRICT IS NOT SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY DO.

AND THAT IS SO YOU CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK IN CERTAINTIES ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE BUT IT'S POLITICALLY NOT THE MOST POPULAR THING TO DO IS TO RAISE YOUR TAX RATE WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTS IN THE DISTRICT.

OH, WE KNOW.

YEAH, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT.

THE OTHER. SO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME TO ME FROM A RESIDENT THAT'S NEAR THIS AREA ASKED, YOU KNOW, THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE INDUSTRIAL PIECE. AND, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO GUARANTEES OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AND WHAT HOW THAT AND I THINK OTIS TOUCHED ON IT ABOUT SCREENING AND LOCATION OF WHERE THAT'S AT NEXT TO A PARK, NEXT TO A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE COMING IN THE CITY NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT, HONESTLY.

BUT YEAH, AND WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE DEVELOPERS.

SO WE WILL BE DEVELOPING SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND MULTIFAMILY SITES.

SO WE WOULDN'T CUT AROUND THROUGH TO PUT IN A PROJECT THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO SELL LOTS TO HOMEBUILDERS OR EVENTUALLY LEASE UNITS TO A MULTIFAMILY USER.

SO THERE'LL BE A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILED SITE PLANNING THAT GOES ON LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO YET BECAUSE WE ARE FRANKLY, WE'RE VYING FOR THIS INDUSTRIAL USER TO BE ON THE SITE AND WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT OF VERY DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL AND SITE DESIGN YET, BUT WE WILL BE AND WE'LL ABSOLUTELY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE IT AFFECTS US AS WELL.

BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU LAST CAME TO US, YOU MENTIONED WAREHOUSING.

LOGISTICS MORE, MORE OR LESS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK IS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOMENT.

SO ANYTHING ELSE THAT GOES IN THERE IS KIND OF A BIG CONCERN.

I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE LAST THING HE SAID? IT'S KIND OF A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE IF THE UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS IT'S WAREHOUSING AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BASICALLY, OR CLEAN INDUSTRIAL, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT GOES IN THERE, THAT'S I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT'S THE CONCERN.

YEAH, SURE. TRAFFIC WOULD BE A HUGE ISSUE.

YEAH. AND WE WILL BE DOING A TIRE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT. HERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE I WAS SLEEPING AND I DON'T REMEMBER THIS LAST TIME, BUT 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING DISCUSSED.

THAT IS A NEW LAND USE.

I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF A BIG SWITCH, THOUGH, DON'T YOU AGREE? IT'S A YEAH, IT'S A BIG SWITCH.

IT'S BUT IT'S ON 15 ACRES.

IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE COMMERCIAL.

IT'S IN THE GOLD COLOR NEXT TO THE COMMERCIAL.

SO THERE'S A SEPARATION THERE BY PARKS AND DETENTION AND THE COLLECTOR ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT, FRANKLY, IS WE TALK TO THE INDUSTRIAL USER ABOUT THE TYPE OF HOUSING THEY NEED, AND THEY NEED ALL LEVELS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.

AND THAT FRANKLY, THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL IN A MASTER PLAN.

MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS THAT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF HOUSING WITH ALL WITHIN THE SAME COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT DIFFERENT LEVELS, IS IT? I MEAN, NOT THAT MUCH VARIETY.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE IF WE HAD MORE LAND, WE'D PUT MORE VARIETY.

BUT IT'S I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN YOU'RE SAYING 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND 50 FOOT LOTS.

THERE'S NOT 60 FOOT LOTS, THERE'S NOT 70 FOOT LOTS, THERE'S NOT A STATE LOTS.

THERE'S NOT. I MEAN, SO.

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I GUESS IT'S SOME VARIETY.

IT'S JUST NOT ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF I CALL THAT VARIETY, BUT.

IT'S. MY DEFINITION.

I MEAN, SORRY.

BECAUSE ALL I SEE IS 550 FOOT LOTS AND THREE 300 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

IS THAT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX? MULTIFAMILY. YES, SIR.

YEAH, THE MULTIFAMILY IS 15 ACRES.

THE SINGLE FAMILY IS ABOUT 48.

SO IT'S 63 ACRES OF 331.

BECAUSE. AND HOW MANY OF THAT DID YOU SAY? 48 ACRES. HOW MANY HOMES WOULD THAT WOULD? ABOUT 200.

ABOUT 200 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.

AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN GREEN AND BLUE AND IS ABOUT ANOTHER 60 ACRES.

SO THE MULTIFAMILY, THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE ARE ABOUT THE SAME ACREAGE.

RIGHT. AND THIS IS JUST NOT YOU.

BUT THIS IS A DISCUSSION, I THINK, FOR CITY COUNCIL.

BUT. EVERYBODY THROWS AS THEY'RE THROWN VARIETY AT US.

AND YET THE ONLY VARIETY WE GET IS 50 FOOT LOTS.

THAT'S YOUR VARIETY. YOU GET 50 FOOT LOTS.

I DON'T SEE THE VARIETY, BUT I KEEP BEING TOLD THAT'S VARIETY.

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? I MISSED A NUMBER ON THE MULTIFAMILY.

HOW MANY UNITS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, IT'S A DENSITY OF ABOUT 20 TO THE ACRE, WHICH IS A FAIRLY LOWER DENSITY, FRANKLY.

INNER CITY DENSITIES WAY HIGHER THAN THAT.

SO 15 ACRES, 20 TO THE ACRE, ABOUT 300 UNITS.

OKAY. NO, I'M CHRIS.

I JUST WANTED TO IF YOU COULD HELP REFRESH ME.

SO YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR A TAX ABATEMENT? WE'RE ASKING. NO, NOT AN ABATEMENT FOR 75% REBATE ON THE CITY'S TAX CITY'S PORTION.

OF THROUGH A 380 AGREEMENT, A CONTRACT BASIS.

IS THAT TYPICAL? IS IT TYPICAL THE CITIES GAVE YOU 75% BACK.

I CAN GIVE YOU ALL KINDS OF EXAMPLES, BUT THERE ARE ONE EXAMPLE IS A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE WHERE CITIES GIVE 100% BACK.

THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS BASED ON THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE DEAL AND HOW ATTRACTED YOU ARE TO THE PROJECT AND HOW MUCH YOU WANT THE PROJECT TO BE IN YOUR CITY LIMITS.

I WANT TO SAY THE JAMISON FACILITY WAS.

100%. I THINK SO.

THEN I THINK IT START. YEAH.

THEN IT STARTED DOING THIS.

YEAH. AND ONE THING I'D LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS.

AND SO THERE'S ZERO TAX REVENUE COMING IN TO THE CITY AT THIS POINT.

SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS PUT IN A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN ASK THE CITY FOR PARTICIPATION AND HELPING US PUT IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE JUST AS THE CITY WOULD BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE AND BASICALLY TAX AND GET REIMBURSED.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

AND THEN THAT WAY YOU GET TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, 25%, WHICH WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE WATER AND SEWER REVENUE THAT YOU GENERATE FOR THE PROJECT.

SO TO MAKE A TO MAKE A FINANCIAL DECISION, THOUGH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE COST AND ALL OF THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. SO BOND COUNCIL IS KIND OF NEEDS MORE INFORMATION BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE ANY DETERMINATIONS.

AND THAT MONEY WOULD GET POURED RIGHT BACK INTO YOUR AREA, THOUGH.

I MEAN THE 25% WOULD RECEIVE.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING OUR WATER, SEWAGE, DRAINAGE, LAW ENFORCEMENT.

ALL THAT'S GOING TO. BE EATEN RIGHT BACK UP.

I MEAN, IT'S SELF ITSELF IS ORIG.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? IS THAT WATER SEWER? IS THAT OPERATING COST THE CITY WILL ABSORB.

YEAH. RIGHT. I MEAN THE COST, THE CITY.

WE MAY NEED TWO MORE POLICE OFFICERS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED.

MORE PATROL UNITS. IT'S JUST.

I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T IT SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT WE JUST BEING ON THIS SIDE, YOU SEE THE COST THAT AN INVESTMENT TAKES.

IT'S NICE TO HAVE ADDITIONS TO YOUR TOWN, BUT IT.

THE ADDITIONAL TAXES RECEIVED JUST BASICALLY GET REINVESTED RIGHT BACK INTO.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN TAKE THAT AND GO USE IT SOME OTHER AREA OF NEED.

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WHAT IS THE TERM FOR THIS? 75% FOR THE LIFE UNTIL THE END OF TIME OR RESERVE A TERM.

YEAH, THAT'S AGAIN SUBJECT TO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY UNDER THE GUISE OF A3D AGREEMENT.

IT'S NEGOTIABLE.

I THINK TYPICALLY WE USUALLY SEE ABOUT 30 YEARS.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO GO 30 YEARS ON A TIRZ.

SORRY. I CAN UNDERSTAND A DECLINING.

MAYBE A DECLINING LEVEL AS IT GOES ON, BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE THE NEED FOR SERVICES AS MUCH.

BUT AS IT BECOMES ESTABLISHED, A LOT MORE OF THE NEEDS COME IN.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME WE HAVE TWO TOURS IN THE CITY AND ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS SINCE '09, AND IT'S BASICALLY STILL A COW PASTURE FOR THE MOST PART.

THE OTHER ONE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT TERMS. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO.

CARVE OUT CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN FOR AND GIVE MONEY BACK ON THOSE.

DON'T GET ME WRONG. I LIKE WHAT I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING AN INDUSTRIAL USER HERE FOR JOBS.

AND I'M NOT.

I'M. I'M WITH COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND ON THE MULTIFAMILY.

I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT.

I JUST THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A LOT OF STUFF IN THIS ONE PROPERTY BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL.

I LIKE I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CASH FLOW AND FOR THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS BEST INTEREST, BRINGING YOU INTO THE CITY AND THEN GIVING YOU 75% BACK FOR 30 YEARS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I COULD GET BEHIND. WELL, THAT'S SOME OF THE INFORMATION.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH STAFF, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE INFORMATION.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COST YOU ALL TO RUN THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, USUALLY LIKE WHEN WE DEAL WITH MUD'S, I MEAN, IT'S.

AVENUE GENERATES CAPITAL FOR THE OPERATIONS OF IT.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL OPERATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN WATER AND SEWER REVENUE BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CITY.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'D ASK THE CITY TO OPERATE IT, BUT HOPEFULLY THOSE WATER AND SEWER TAPS WOULD GENERATE REVENUE IN ADDITION TO THE 25% TAX OR 25% OF YOUR TAXES THAT YOU BRING IN WHICH.

AT FULL BUILDOUT, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE HALF A MILLION DOLLAR RANGE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT CHUMP CHANGE.

IT'S MONEY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN HAVE SOME GUIDANCE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THAT'S WHY WE SAY PARTNERSHIP, BECAUSE IT'S WORKING WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.

TO DATE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION.

SO SO, JOHN, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE, BECAUSE THEY'VE PROPOSED 30 YEARS, 25% BACK TO THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED SOME THOUGHTS.

HEY, WE'RE OPEN TO A SLIDING SCALE, BUT WE NEED TO SEE MORE OF THE NUMBERS.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

SO WE COULD BRING THAT SEND THAT BACK TO YOU IN DOCUMENTS.

AND BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, THEN AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS, SAY, PROPOSE A SLIDING SCALE.

YEAH. OR BASED ON WHATEVER AND DON'T EXCEED 20 YEARS OR.

THIS IS.

HI, I'M ANGIE LUTZ.

I SPOKE AT PREVIOUSLY MEETINGS, AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE AN ATJ.

MUD. THE MUD IS CREATED.

WE NEED YOUR CONSENT IN ORDER TO ORGANIZE, SELL BONDS, ETC.

WE HAD A LAND PLAN WHERE WE HAD, I THINK, VARIETY OF HOMES AND THERE WERE ABOUT 900, IF I REMEMBER.

AND YOU TOLD US TO COME BACK AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE.

AND THEN WE HAVE PROPOSED COMING INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

AND INSTEAD OF TAKING 100% OF THE TAX RATE, WE WOULD WE PROPOSE SPLITTING IT 25, 75% WITH 75% GOING TO THE MUD.

I THINK THAT IS NEGOTIABLE.

BUT WE ARE BRINGING THAT TAX BASE INTO THE CITY LIMITS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A REMAINING AS AN MUD AND DID TRY TO FOLLOW THE REQUESTS THAT SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MADE.

I THINK ONCE WE TALKED TO THE INDUSTRIAL USER, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO HAVE 60 FOOT, 50 FOOT, 40 FOOT MANY OF THE WORKERS THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING INTO THIS AREA THAT WORKING AT THIS INDUSTRIAL PLANT MIGHT NEED TO BE LIVING IN OR WISH TO LIVE IN A MULTIFAMILY ESTABLISHMENT.

THAT'S WHY THEY PROPOSE TO PUT IT INSIDE CLOSE TO THE EMPLOYMENT.

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WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE CITIZENS.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITIZENS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COMING FROM.

OKAY. HEY, I'D LIKE TO ADD, I THINK THERE WAS A.

MAYBE A MISTAKE. WE'RE PLANNING TO INCREASE THE SIZE OR IMPROVE YOUR EXISTING WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES.

IF THAT CAN'T BE DONE, WE'LL BUILD OUR OWN.

SO WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO GO OUT AND BUILD ANOTHER WATER PLANT FOR US.

WE'RE TAKING THAT ON AND GETTING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

SO WE'RE TAKING THAT RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IF WE WERE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND WE CAME AND ASKED YOU FOR WATER.

WE'RE BUILDING THAT ON OUR OWN NICKEL.

WHERE WOULD THAT WATER AND SEWER? THAT'S UNDER THE OVERALL PROJECT INVESTMENT.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE LAND PLAN.

COULD YOU. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO YET? NO. WE'LL DO.

ALL RIGHT. FAIR ENOUGH.

OR AGAIN, IF IT'S YOUR FACILITIES, WE WILL BE EXPANDING THEM.

AND WE HIRED HDR TO DO A WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY STUDY, AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, AND THEY'LL PROVIDE ANSWERS PRETTY SOON.

THIS IS SO DOWN THE LINE.

I FEEL SOMEWHAT SILLY ASKING ABOUT IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY IS THE HISTORIC OR ANCIENT OAKS THAT ARE THERE.

AND IT'S A REALLY I MEAN, AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, I FIND IT TO BE A VERY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.

OF COURSE, IT'S UNDISTURBED AND LOOKS.

VERY NATURAL AND PART OF ANYWAY, I HOPE IF THIS IS DEVELOPED, YOU ALL WOULD KEEP THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE, AS MARK POINTED OUT IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING YOUR INVESTORS MONEY, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING DEFINITELY, I THINK, WORTH.

YOU KNOW, THESE HERITAGE OAKS, THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS I AM.

AND I'M BRINGING THAT BACK UP.

I MEAN. I WOULD BE OPEN MORE TOWARDS A TOWNHOME CONDOMINIUM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAN, SAY, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

BUT. THAT'S JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

AND I CANNOT POSSIBLY GET BEHIND THE 75% REBATE OVER A 30 YEAR STRUCTURE.

YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T DO THAT AND I'M WITH THEM.

AND IF YOU ALL HAVE NUMBERS, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

AND THAT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER THAN JUST ESTIMATING.

BUT AS I SAID RIGHT HERE, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO SWALLOW.

I JUST CAN'T AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT $1,000,000,000 WORTH OF STRUCTURE.

OF COURSE, SOME OF THAT DOES GO SPECIFICALLY TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY OF THE INDUSTRIAL USER.

DO YOU FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE WITH? LIKE HELPING LIKE IF WE'RE SPENDING SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT ON INFRASTRUCTURE? DO YOU DISAGREE WITH HELPING US TO GET REIMBURSED FOR SOME OF THAT? NO. I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT? IT'S JUST THE TIME.

RIGHT. 30 YEARS.

I MEAN, WE CAN I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO.

AND JUST CONCEPTUALIZE THAT WITHOUT ANY SORT OF FIGURES.

EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU NEED 30 YEARS OF 75% REBATE.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY HARD.

YOU'RE ASKING ME JUST TO SWALLOW THIS PILL? AND AGAIN, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE.

BUT IF YOU CAN COME TO ME WITH A GOOD EXPLANATION, SURE, I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, I GO, HEY, YEAH, YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE MUD.

THAT'S MY THING. I GO BACK TO THE MUD.

YOU'RE GETTING PAID BACK FROM YOUR MUD AS WELL.

YEAH, BUT THE MUD PROVIDES, AS I SAID, THE AMENITIES AND THE ABILITY TO FINANCE.

SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DISTRICT TO FINANCE THE.

THE LOT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND THE OTHER ASSOCIATED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, IT GOES INTO THE PRICE OF HOMES.

IT AFFECTS AFFORDABILITY.

SO THE TRADE OFF IS IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FOR THE TAX OR THE TAX RATE OFFSETS.

AND WE ARE FINANCING THE FACILITIES THROUGH THE TAX RATE OVER THE LIFE OF THE FACILITIES.

SO WHEN PEOPLE MOVE IN FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEY WILL ALSO PICK UP THE BURDEN OF THE FACILITIES.

THEY CONTINUE TO ENJOY CITY FACILITIES.

AT THAT POINT, WE'RE GOING TO THE DISTRICT WILL FINANCE THE PAYMENT.

THESE THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE TWO THINGS ON THE REBATE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

ONE, THE QUESTION WAS GENERALLY WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? IT'S 30 YEARS IS A GENERAL ANSWER.

IT COULD BE LONGER, IT COULD BE SHORTER.

THAT'S JUST TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE.

THE REASON IT'S THAT LENGTH IS BECAUSE WE SELL 25 YEAR DEBT.

THESE ARE LONG TERM FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED WATERLINES, SEWER LINES, PLANT EXPANSIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

YES. SO WE SELL 25 YEAR DEBT TO MATCH THE REPAYMENT OR THE PAYMENT FOR THOSE FACILITIES TO THE LIFE OF THOSE FACILITIES.

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NOW YOU HAVE A BIG EXPENDITURE AND THE SOMEONE WHO MOVES IN NEXT, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW DOESN'T PAY FOR IT.

WHEN YOU HAVE DEBTS, WHEN THEY MOVE IN, THEY PAY THE TAXES ON THAT AND THEY CONTINUE TO USE THE FACILITY.

SO THE REASON THE 30 YEARS EXISTS IS TO ALLOW FOR THE ISSUANCE OF DEBT TO USE THAT CASH FLOW, TO PLEDGE TO THE BOND DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE BONDS.

WE WOULD COMBINE THAT WITH THE TAX RATE OF THE DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT THAT THEY QUALIFY FOR.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WE ARE A REIMBURSEMENT.

PRE-FINANCING ANYTHING, ALL THE ALL THE MONEY TO PUT THE LINES IN THE GROUND, EXPAND THE PLANTS.

ALL OF THAT IS FUNDED AT THE RISK OF THE DEVELOPER.

THEY HAVE PROJECTIONS, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THEIR HANDOUT, ON WHAT THEY THINK THE VALUE OF THE PROJECT WILL BE.

IF IT'S LESS THAN THAT, THEN WE SELL FEWER BONDS.

THE PIPES ARE IN THE GROUND. I MEAN, THAT IS THE RISK THAT THEY TAKE.

CORRECT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER, IS NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT FUNDING ANYTHING.

YOU TALKED ABOUT A DEAL THAT HAS A TERS AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED.

THE FLIP SIDE IS THAT'S THE OLD YOU'VE NOT GIVEN ANYTHING.

THE TERS SETS A BASE VALUE, RIGHT, OR CHURCH STRUCTURE.

THERE'S A3D THAT LOOKS LIKE A TERS.

IT'S AN INCREMENTAL VALUE TEST.

SO THE BASE VALUE IS ESTABLISHED AND THEY EVER IMPROVE ABOVE THAT.

THEY GET NO MONEY BACK. IT DIDN'T COST ANYTHING.

IF THEY IMPROVE IT, THEN THEY GET REBATED ON JUST THE INCREMENTAL VALUE ABOVE THAT BASE VALUE.

AND OF COURSE, IN 30 YEARS, 25 YEARS, WHATEVER THE AGREED UPON TERM IS, ALL THAT VALUE THEN REVERTS BACK TO THE CITY.

BUT THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE 30 YEARS IS TO ALLOW WE FINANCE LONG TERM FACILITIES WITH LONG TERM BONDS.

UNDERSTOOD. I HOPE THAT HELPS EVERYONE.

NO, I DIDN'T.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

APPRECIATE IT. AND ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. THEY ASKED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD IN MY MIND.

YOU KNOW, 75% OF THE MUD SITTING IN A CITY.

THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, AS WELL AS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE APARTMENTS.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THEM.

THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE.

BUT THAT WAS NOT IN THE VERY FIRST ARRANGEMENT.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

THIS IS NEW FOR ALL OF US.

I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS, BUT NOW THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NEW.

AND SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DECIPHER AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING THIS WAY AND HELPING US GET A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND THEN, OF COURSE, ALLOWING US TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS HAS GOT THIS.

ALL THREE OF THESE ARE WELL, MOSTLY TWO OF OUR ARE UNDER THE WATCHFUL EYE OF A LOT OF FOLKS.

AND SO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE WHATEVER DIRECTION WE GO.

WE'RE MAKING THAT RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'LL SAY ON THIS ONE.

IS THERE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CHRIS, THAT THAT POPPED UP THAT YOU MAY HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION OR TWO OR THEY COULD GIVE US ALL OF IT? I KNOW WE CAN'T KNOW WHO IT IS.

IT'S COMING. YOU'RE WHO YOU'RE COURTING.

BUT NO, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT WE MIGHT STAND TO GAIN FROM THE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL SIDE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING THE BIG TAX ON WATER AND SEWER.

THE WATER AND SEWER IS GOING TO BE ON RESIDENTS IN THERE IN THE PREDOMINANTLY.

THEY'LL BE THEY'LL BE SOME USE OUT OF THAT.

NOW, THE STORY WAS THAT THERE WAS A BIG WATER USER POTENTIALLY, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DEPRIVE A PROVIDER.

WE CAN'T WE PROBABLY CANNOT PROVIDE THAT MUCH WATER TO COMMERCIAL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD OUR OWN WATER PLANT.

YES, SIR. BUT IT WOULD BE A CITY.

WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS BUILDING THE CITY WATER PLANT.

BUT THEY ARE FUNDING IT, AND IT WILL BE A CITY FACILITY.

BUT. BASICALLY, THIS COMPANY IS A LARGE BATTERY PRODUCER.

CAN THEY USE A LOT OF WATER? YES, SIR.

SO IT WILL BE A TON OF WATER THAT I WOULD HOPE.

YEAH. THAT'S 2200 JOBS, ROUGHLY TWO PHASES.

SO IT'S THAT'S A LOT OF.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT WILL PROBABLY RESULT HEAVY METALS POSSIBLY.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT PRETREATMENT IN THE WORKING GROUP MEETING, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE SORT OF DETAILS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND MAKING SURE THAT'S COVERED IN THE AGREEMENTS.

I THINK THAT'S PRETTY WELL DIRECTED BY.

Q TRUTH.

YES, TRUTH. AND THEN YOU HAVE A PERMIT FOR WHAT YOU CHARGE.

AND THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN.

GUYS WORKING ON THEIR HUGE COMPANY.

AND LASTLY, HDR WORKS FOR US, SO WE THOUGHT WE HAD LOST HDR.

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SO I THINK WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING AT LEAST GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THINGS WE'VE BEEN ASKING AS WELL AS THE INDUSTRIAL.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FULLY AWARE OF PUTTING THAT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, SO YOU'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT ALREADY.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I MEAN, I DO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT LIKE HUGE STACKS AND TOWERS MAYBE RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST INDULGING IN SOME OF THAT.

SO THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PALATABLE FOR ME.

AND THEN THE FACT THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT LARGE, THE JOB NUMBER, WE'VE LOST A COUPLE OF BIG EMPLOYERS HERE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND IT HURTS. AND SO WE'VE ALWAYS WONDERED HOW DO WE GET SOME OF THOSE BIG JOB EMPLOYERS BACK HERE TO HELP US? AND I APPRECIATE THAT ON ONE PERSON, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT I HAVE TWO LAST.

GO AHEAD, SIR. ONE, THERE'S GOT TO BE A LIGHT CONTROL AT 35 AT THAT ENTRANCE.

AND ARE YOU MOVING THAT ENTRANCE IN YOUR PLAN, ARE YOU MOVING THE CURRENT ENTRANCE.

NO. THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT AT LA QUINTA.

YEAH. BUT THAT ROAD'S BEING IMPROVED RIGHT TO 35.

YEAH. THIS IS THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT OF COUNTY ROAD 28 GOES IN THERE BY THE LA QUINTA.

RIGHT. WELL MAINLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AND WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT ROAD AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTION BETWEEN 35 AND ANCHOR ROAD TO SOMEHOW.

AND AS PART OF THAT. THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN.

I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF ESPECIALLY PUTTING IN AND HAS TO GET SOME HELP WITH AND THEN ALSO POTENTIALLY SOME RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION.

AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR PULSE IS BECAUSE IT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME LAND THAT YOU ALL OWN TO GET UP TO THE NORTH.

BECAUSE IF WE DID A FRONTAGE ROAD, IT'S ONLY ONE WAY.

SO YOU KIND OF GOT TO WORK A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION.

YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH ALL THIS, THE CITY TO KIND OF HELP US OBTAIN THAT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, USE YOUR POWER.

IF IT HAPPENS. I MEAN, THAT WOULD CONNECTIVITY AND CONNECTIONS AND WOULD BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A LOT OF STRESS ON 35.

RIGHT. MY LAST QUESTION WAS AROUND.

YOU SAID A WATER PLANT, NOT WE'RE TALKING WATER.

ARE WE TALKING WELL, ARE WE TALKING HOOKING UP TO SOMETHING? THAT ACTUALLY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR ME TO ANSWER FOR OUR FOUR THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

NO REAL DIRECTION ON WHERE IT IS.

THE AMOUNT OF WATER THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR THE INDUSTRIAL USER CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, ANGLETON PURCHASE WAS PURCHASING 1.8 MGD FROM L PURCHASED ANOTHER 0.5.

SO YOU'RE AT 2.3 NOW.

THE FIRST PHASE OF THE INDUSTRIAL WILL TAKE 1.8 MGD BY ITSELF.

THE SECOND PHASE WILL TAKE ANOTHER 1.8 FOR A TOTAL OF 3.6.

WOW. SO WE'RE ALREADY AT CAPACITY FOR THAT LINE FEEDING US, AREN'T WE? RIGHT. SO THAT'S ALSO BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE LAST WORKING MEETING IS MAYBE IF THIS DOES COME AS WORK IN SOME SORT OF A.

AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO HELP UPSIZE THE LINE FROM BWI TO GET MORE WATER TO ANGLETON TO WHERE THE LINE THAT'S ALREADY 100% UTILIZED BRING WATER THAT COULD HELP YOU OUT AND HELP THE ENTIRE CITY OUT.

BOTH SIDES OF 35 EAST I MEAN TO 88 ON EAST AND WEST, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SHARED WITH US BY TBWA THAN ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO REQUIRE A NEW MAJOR LINE UP THIS WAY.

RIGHT. AND WE DID START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND I BELIEVE Y'ALL SAID Y'ALL.

OPEN TO THE OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION.

WELL, TO ME, I DON'T EVEN THINK BWR HAS THAT CAPACITY, DO THEY? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MUCH WATER THAT THEY CAN PULL OUT AND TREAT WELL TO DOUBLE US.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL AVENUES THAT ARE OPEN FOR THEM KNOW.

SO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF THE WATER FROM THE DESAL.

YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THAT FOR A WHILE.

YEAH. BUT IT'S THEY'VE DONE A STUDY.

THEY KNOW WHERE THE ROUTE SHOULD GO.

THEY'VE GOT THE SIZE OF THE LINE.

WE'VE BROUGHT ALL THAT INFORMATION.

IT'S IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PACKET THAT I PROVIDED, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THEM TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD BRING, YOU KNOW, AND HOW THEY GOING TO UPSIZE THAT LINE. BECAUSE THE LINE FEEDING INTO ANGLETON IS AT 100% CAPACITY.

Y'ALL BOUGHT THE LAST 2.5 HERE RECENTLY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTION MARKS LEFT, BUT AND WE UNDERSTAND Y'ALL ARE ALSO OPERATING ON A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS ON YOUR END.

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OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. HAVE A SAFE.

ONE QUICK THING.

DISCLOSURE. THE LIMIT OF YOUR.

PROPOSED ROAD OFF OF ANCHOR ROAD COMING THROUGH THE CITY PROPERTY THERE.

THAT'S GOING RIGHT ATOP AN OLD LANDFILL THAT WAS CLOSED BACK PROBABLY IN THE EIGHTIES.

SO JUST KNOWING THAT IT'S NOT VIRGIN GROUND.

POINT WELL RECEIVED.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I NEED SOME.

NUMBER TWO.

YES. NUMBER TWO, IF WE COULD MOVE TO THE NEXT GRAPHIC, YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE OF MAPS THERE.

SO NEXT DEVELOPMENT IS AUSTIN COLONY.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

WE'LL TRY TO BLOW THOSE UP.

THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE MAP APPROVED WITH THE PDA ORDINANCE FOR AUSTIN COLONY.

MR. RAY AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSPELLING HIS NAME IN THE DOCUMENT HERE, BUT HERE HE IS PROPOSING, OF COURSE, TO KEEP THE TICKNER CONNECTION, AS YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD MEANDER THROUGH THE SITE AS A FOUR LANE BOULEVARD.

THAT WILL REMAIN.

BUT THE QUESTION TONIGHT IS AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD, WHICH WOULD BE THE OTHER CONNECTION INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

HE IS ASKING THAT WE RECLASSIFY THAT MORE OF LIKE A LOCAL STREET INTO THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ON NUMBER ONE COST AS WELL AS CIRCULATION OF IT BEING A FOUR LANE RUNNING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT ANY HOUSING FRONTING ON IT IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

SO HE IS ASKING THAT ENTRANCE WHICH WAS AUSTIN BOULEVARD BE CALLED A CUL DE SAC AND NOT NECESSARILY RUN IN CONNECTED TO THE DIRECTLY BUT THERE WOULD BE AN INDIRECT PATH.

SO YOU SEE A COUPLE OF RENDITIONS.

THAT WAS A LAND PLAN PRESENTED TO DOC IN THE OCTOBER 12TH MEETING THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT.

BUT THAT I THINK HAS SOME CHALLENGES AS WE LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER IN TERMS OF THE 30 LOT MAXIMUM WITH THE DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS INGRESS INTO THOSE AREAS.

SO THEY HAVE CORRECTED THAT.

AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A THIRD MAP IN THERE.

THE CHART THAT YOU SEE THERE BASICALLY OUTLINES THAT HE WAS GIVEN THE 50 FOOT LOTS IN A COUPLE OF SECTIONS WITH A TOTAL OF 100 THERE.

THERE ARE TOTAL OF IN THE VARIOUS SECTIONS.

YOU SEE THOSE ALLOTMENTS.

HE'S ASKING FOR SOME MINOR DEVIATIONS ON THE SECTIONS.

BUT TO KEEP THOSE THREE THRESHOLDS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, ALTHOUGH HE IS SAYING THAT IT MAY BE SOME INCREASE TO THE LOT SIZES.

SO WHAT WE'RE BRINGING YOU THIS TODAY IS TO NUMBER ONE ADDRESS, AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD, AND THEN TO SEE HOW YOU FEEL IN TERMS OF ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS WE WILL WORK WITH LEGAL IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PD AND THEN THERE ARE OF COURSE A PLATS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED AND THEN THE PED, WE WILL WORK WITH THE BOND, OUR BOND COUNSEL, IN TERMS OF DETERMINING WHAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT BE MODIFIED TO ADJUST TO THIS CHANGE.

SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO EVALUATE THE LEVEL OF MODIFICATION HERE, IF IT'S MAJOR OR MINOR AND HOW TO PROCESS IT.

SO MR. SANDY RAY IS HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU, AND I THINK IT MAY BE BETTER FOR HIM TO REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS I JUST SAID.

MR. RAY, AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED IF YOU FEEL GOOD OR BAD ABOUT WHAT HE'S TRYING TO MODIFY.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE THIS EVENING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

OTIS, REAL QUICK, YOU SAID.

HE SAID HE'S INCREASED SOME OF THE LOT SIZES.

WELL, IN THE DOG MEETING.

HE'S NOT CHANGING THE 50 FOOT THRESHOLDS.

HE'S JUST KIND OF SHIFTING THEM FROM ONE SECTION TO ANOTHER.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT 100 LOTS, I THINK HE SPLIT THE 50 IN ONE SECTION.

MR. RAY AND THEN IN ANOTHER SECTION YOU'LL SEE THEM UP HERE.

BUT THE GRAND TOTAL.

YEAH, THE GRAND TOTAL.

I THINK YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO THEM IF YOU'RE DEVIATING FROM THAT THE PERCENTAGE DIDN'T CHANGE.

SO. WILL YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MIC, MR. RAY. SORRY, AN ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION. WE WILL KEEP THE SAME NUMBER OF 50 FOOT LOTS, 100.

WE'LL KEEP THE SAME NUMBER OF 55 FOOT LOTS, WHICH I THINK IS TO 12, WHATEVER'S ON THAT GROUND.

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I DON'T WANT TO OPEN THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. RAE.

SO REALLY, THE ONLY CHANGES AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, MR. RAY, WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS YOUR CLOSING OFF THAT ROAD TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO MEANDER TO GET BACK TO TEGNA.

BUT INSTEAD OF GOING, YOU KNOW, TEEING INTO TIGER INSTEAD, AND THEN YOU'RE SHIFTING SOME OF THE LOT SIZES.

AND WHEN IT CAME TO.

THE. RESIDENTIAL SIDE OR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME TO FINISH.

TICKNER. CAN YOU CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? THE LENGTH OF TIME TO FINISH TICKNER STREET? YES. WELL, OUR PLAN IS JUST TO REITERATE, OUR PLAN IS TO TAKE OFF SOME COLONY BOULEVARD AND PUT HOUSES ON IT, WHICH IF YOU DRIVE DOWN ANCHOR ROAD TOWARDS DOWNTOWN, THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE FRONTING THAT THE ENTRANCE, THAT THOSE ARE THE YOU TURN IN THE INTERSECTION IS AUTOMATIC.

THERE'S HOUSES IMMEDIATELY.

SO WE'RE STAYING EXACTLY WITH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

THE PROBLEM WITH AUSTIN CONNELLY BOULEVARD, AND WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM BUILDERS AFTER WE GOT IT OUT AND WAS SHOWING IT IS THEY DON'T WANT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.

YOU KNOW, KITCHENER STREET'S FOUR LANE DIVIDED, RIGHT? AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MAIN ARTERY.

AND SO YOU PUT THIS OTHER AUSTIN CONNELLY BOULEVARD AND THERE'S KIDS AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO RIDE BICYCLES OR WHATEVER.

THAT WAS NEVER THE OTHER THING.

OUR COSTS HAVE DOUBLED, WHICH IS JUST STOPPED US IN OUR TRACKS.

AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE STARTING UP ANYTIME SOON.

BUT WE WANT TO GET READY BECAUSE WHENEVER INTEREST RATES DROPS FROM SEVEN DOWN TO A MORE REASONABLE RATE, THEN I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER BOOM AND WE WANT TO BE READY FOR IT. THE TIMING OF TEAGUE STREET IS WE WOULD.

SECTION ONE A IS THE YELLOW.

AND SECTION ONE A IS 50 FOOT LOTS.

AND THAT WOULD BE BUILT FIRST AND THERE'S 5050 FOOT LOTS AND THEN SECTION ONE B IS THE GREEN AND THAT TAKES IT ALL THE WAY UP TO TINKER STREET AND THEN WE EXTEND TINKER STREET TO BACK A WALMART.

THEN WE GO IN AND THEN WE DEVELOP.

AND THE REMAINING LOTS IN THE BLUE.

BLUE IS EXCUSE ME.

BLUE IS DETENTION.

AND THE RED IS 55.

SO THIS WHOLE SECTION, WHICH WAS SECTION ONE, BASICALLY SECTION ONE IS ALL FIFTIES AND 50 FIVES.

THEN WE GO UP OVER AND TO GO INTO THE SIXTIES AND AS THEN WE COME ACROSS AND BUILD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AUSTIN CONNELLY BOULEVARD. AND THAT'S WHAT WE BUILD [INAUDIBLE]. GOVERNMENT INTEREST RATES GO BACK.

WE WERE NOT ONLY.

[INAUDIBLE].

[INAUDIBLE]. I WISH YOU WERE. NOT THAT I'M JUST ONE PERSON'S OPINION, BUT I LIKE THE NEW LAYOUT.

I ACTUALLY THINK I LIKE IT BETTER THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

SO. MR. ALLEN I UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMICS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE.

IN THERE'S EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S A MAJOR I WON'T CALL IT.

IT'S A MAJOR DIFFERENCE THAT YOU'RE FRONTING LOTS ON TO.

WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET? AUSTIN COLONY, WHERE BEFORE THEY WERE BACKING UP ON THAT STREET AND FRONTING ON OTHER STREETS YOUR

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SIMILAR TO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET FROM DOWNING ROAD TO BOUNDARIES AND DON'T TAKE CANNON OR WILKINS YOU'RE GOING TO WEAVE THROUGH.

BY YEAH, I MEAN IT'S.

IN YOUR YOU'VE CONTINUED TO HAVE TIGGER DOING YOUR PART TO TAKE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY.

AND THEN THE BURDEN IS ON SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE IT CONNECT UP AND YOU'VE DONE YOUR PART.

OH, WELL.

YEAH. SO.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I LIKE THE ORIGINAL PLAN BECAUSE IT DIRECTS TRAFFIC.

TWO BACKYARDS THAT ARE FENCED INSTEAD OF FRONT YARDS.

I LIKE THE ORIGINAL PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS THE MAIN ROAD, NOT IN SOMEONE'S FRONT YARDS.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME OFF OF A 45 MILE PER HOUR ROAD AND BURN THROUGH THAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WITH PEOPLE PLAYING IN THEIR FRONT YARDS TO GET TO WAL MART.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A MUCH LARGER BRONCO BIND SCENARIO.

PEOPLE WHO CUT THROUGH BUSINESS TO 88 DOWN BRONCO BEN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT THROUGH THE LINE.

YEAH, THERE ARE LOTS FACING THICKER.

NO. SHE'S TALKING.

NO LUCK TO THE NEW AUSTIN.

YEAH, THE NEW OK.

I SEE. BUT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD OR GOING INTO THAT SUBDIVISION.

SHORT TERM, YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT LONG TERM, TIGER IS THE MAIN ROAD THAT COMES THROUGH.

SO PEOPLE WANTING TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION TO GET THERE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO GO DOWN TIGER INSTEAD.

BUT YES, SHORT TERM UNTIL THAT ROAD'S ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

I CAN SEE YOUR POINT THERE FOR STOP SIGNS EITHER DIRECTION.

ONE DIRECTION. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I MEAN, BUT. I AGREE.

I MEAN, IF IT'S IDEAL WORLD, YOU COULD DESIGN IT THE WAY YOU.

SEVERAL THINGS.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD. MODEL.

SO THAT WOULD STOP THAT TILL WE GOT IT.

PROBABLY GOT A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S WHAT SAY. SO BASICALLY IT'S IN AND OUT OF ONE ON.

THAT WOULD MAKE IT JUST AN.

ENTRANCE EXIT ON THE.

ON THE ANCHOR OUT OF AUSTIN BOULEVARD.

RIGHT. WOULDN'T BE ACCESSIBLE AS A CUT THROUGH UNTIL A LATER TIME.

THERE'S ONE THING. FOR.

WHAT? MAN.

IF I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE AND IN ONE B AND I NEEDED TO GO TO WALMART, I SURE WOULDN'T BE HAPPY, THOUGH.

I JUST WALK. WALK AROUND A BICYCLE.

YEAH. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT IS TEMPORARY UNTIL TIGER DOES GET BUILT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TEMPORARY.

A TEMPORARY COULD BE TWO YEARS.

YOU KNOW. IT COULD BE. YEAH, IT COULD BE FOUR OR FIVE.

BUT IT'S. HOPEFULLY IT WOULDN'T BE A FOREVER PROBLEM WITH LIKE BRONCO BAND.

JUST WHAT? IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

YEAH, BUT THIS ROAD, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ADDRESSING THIS EAST WEST CORRIDOR PROBLEM, RIGHT? IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT IT DEFINITELY GETS US A LOT CLOSER.

AND A FOUR LANE BOULEVARD, I THINK, IS JUST RIGHT OFF TO IT.

IT'S NOT IT.

MAYBE THAT'S A NICE INVESTMENT.

I'LL JUST BE HONEST. THAT'S.

THIS CAN BE A NICE ADDITION IF IT WERE TO GO THROUGH AND GO IN.

WELL, IT'S NOT FOR TONIGHT, BUT AT SOME POINT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY MAKE A COMMITMENT TO PURSUE GETTING THIS CONNECTION.

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AND WE'RE STILL KICKING OURSELVES FOR NOT.

DOING IT SO ABSOLUTELY HAS TO WORK AND GO THROUGH.

IT HAS TO. I STILL OWE MR. RAYA, I THINK, A LUNCH OR SOMETHING AFTER WE DON'T GET THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

HE OWES ME A LUNCH OR SOMETHING.

I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW THAT WORKS.

I THINK I GOT FIVE YEARS, MR. RAY. IS THAT SEVEN? I'LL TAKE SEVEN. OF THE LAST YEAR OR WHAT? ALL RIGHT. I'M HAPPY WITH.

I'M TRYING. WE'VE GOT IDEAS.

YOU. BUT IT REALLY AND TRULY WE TALKED IT REALLY IS CONTINGENT ON THAT ROAD GOING THROUGH TO OPEN THAT UP FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, THEN IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. RAY? JUST ONE.

GO AHEAD, SIR. THOUGHT TO KIND OF ADDRESS COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS CONCERN.

I KNOW WE WANT TO DO THIS IN.

SECTIONS BECAUSE OF COST, ESPECIALLY TICKNER.

BUT IF THE.

FINANCING BECOMES RIGHT.

THEN MAYBE WE CAN ACCELERATE THAT PORTION TO ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN, MAYBE TEMPORARILY SHUT IT DOWN SO THAT THERE'S NO ACCESS TO IT.

BUT ONCE WE'RE READY TO ADD TICKNER.

WE ACCELERATE FINISHING THAT PROJECT THAT WILL HOPEFULLY.

REALLY REDUCE THE CONCERNS.

MR. COUNCILMAN WOMAN DANIEL EXPRESSED THAT WE'RE.

YOU KNOW, AND WE WHEN WE DONE OUR PART, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO CONTINGENT ON OUR PART DOING US GETTING THAT CONNECTION.

BUT. I DON'T KNOW.

THAT MIGHT BE JUST THE WAY TO KIND OF WORK BOTH SIDES OF IT.

NOT HAVE ACCESS AT THE BEGINNING.

BUT ONCE WE DO OPEN IT, LET'S TRY TO PUSH IT AS FAST AS WE CAN THAT WAY.

SO MAYBE ONLY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR WHERE THERE'S ANY SORT OF.

CONCERNS ABOUT USING TO CUT THROUGH.

A GOOD CONVERSATION.

JUST AN IDEA. IS HE SAYING, WE READY TO GO? YEAH. AND WE WILL BUILD.

LIKE YOU, MR. RIGHT.

AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I WANT TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE THE CITY WANTS TO BUILD THAT ROAD THAT MAKES TWO OR THREE.

MM HMM. IT REALLY DOES.

IT OPENS A WHOLE SUBDIVISION UP.

IT OPENS UP THE COMMERCIAL UNDER TEN ACRES.

SO. WE'RE.

SO, MR. RIGHT ON YOUR LUNCH.

IT'S 72 MONTHS.

SIX YEARS. I MEAN, YOU'RE BOTH KIND OF CLOSE FROM THE TAKE.

A SEVEN OF THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT MIGHT END UP TO BE SEVEN YEARS, BUT IT'S 72 MONTHS.

MAN PUT INTEREST ON THAT, JOHN.

YOU GET A PRIME RIB OR SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

I DON'T THINK. I DON'T KNOW THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.

I DON'T KNOW. THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE A WHILE.

IT'S THREE OUNCES, BUT IT'S A PICKLE.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. RAY? THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. RAY.

OTIS. ARE WE GOOD ON THIS ONE? GOT SOME. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH.

LOWERS IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AND THEN WE HAVE NUMBER THREE.

AND I THINK MR. MUELLER, WHERE IS HE AT? AT YOU? YES.

I'M SAYING I TAKE IT SO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD, MR. OTIS. NUMBER THREE, WE WANTED TO UPDATE YOU.

WHO ARE.

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BE REGARDING. ALL OF.

WE WANTED TO JUST BRING YOU.

[INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE], I NEED YOU TO SPEAK UP, SO.

[INAUDIBLE] WELL, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

AND THE PUBLIC MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU, TOO.

CAN WE GIVE THEM JUDAS FOR NOW OR SOMETHING? [INAUDIBLE]. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THERE YOU GO.

MUCH BETTER. MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

OH, YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, I HAVE ONE GOOD EAR AND ONE BAD EAR.

AND WHEN I DO THIS, IT MEANS I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION. YEAH.

SO, YEAH, I WAS JUST MENTIONING THAT THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES THAT ARE ASKED OF THE CODE AS THEY TRY TO LAY OUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

OF COURSE, THIS WOULD BE OUR NEGOTIATING TOOL TO DEAL WITH THE COMPONENTS OR THE SECTIONS THEREOF IN THE SUBDIVISION.

SO THEY WERE DEALING WITH THE MAXIMUM LOTS OF 30 WITH THE DUAL AXIS AND TO TO BUILD IT IN A BOULEVARD FORMAT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT'S MENTIONED THERE.

AND THEN TURNAROUNDS ARE REQUIRED FOR PARTIAL STREETS OR HALF STREETS ONLY IF THEY EXCEED THAT 100 FEET IN LENGTH.

AND THEN ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE CFA DEVELOPMENT OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THERE ASKING FOR THE PRIVATE AMENITY OR FACILITY RELATED TO PRIVATE RECREATION PARKS AND FACILITIES. SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE GATED RESTRICTED ACCESS ENTRANCE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE SORT OF STANDARDS SO THEY CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THOSE SORT OF DEVIATIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

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THE LAND PLAN IS ATTACHED, AS I NOTED.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU IN TERMS OF ANY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES NOT MEET WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

ONE, TWO, THREE, CHECK.

I THINK THAT ONE IS BETTER, BUT WE'LL MAKE IT WORK.

WE WILL, OF COURSE, BE REVIEWING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

THERE'S A MASTER DRAINAGE IMPACT ANALYSIS ALSO PROVIDED WITH THE ENGINEERS AS WELL.

OTHER THAN THAT, IN THE FOUR MODIFICATIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD.

MM HMM. SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU WANT.

STAFF LEGAL AND THE BOND COUNCIL TO BRING FORTH IN OUR DISCUSSIONS IN THE WORKING GROUP MEETINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU WITH MORE DETAIL.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

THE IDEA OF DESIGN STANDARDS WILL ALSO PLAY INTO THIS.

I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE EARLIER.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WORK WITH PEOPLE LIKE THE CONSULTING TEAM TO DEAL WITH THE AMENITIES THAT WE WANT TO BRING FORTH, SUCH AS DESIGN STANDARDS, PARKLAND, DEDICATION TRAILS, THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

SOMETIMES ON COMMERCIAL USES, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CERTAIN CHARACTER LIKE PITCH ROOF ELEMENTS OR SOME LEVEL OF BRICK.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.

ANYTHING ELSE? MM HMM. SURE.

DEFINITELY. MM HMM.

ANY QUESTIONS IMMEDIATELY ON WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.

A LOT OF THIS YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED, IT'S JUST BEEN FINE TUNED, AND WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF QUESTIONS BEING ASKED.

GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? OR WE CAN ALLOW MR. MUELLER TO COME UP, SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE IF WE HAVE SPECIFICS, THAT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO HIM.

CERTAINLY. SOUNDS GOOD.

YES. MAYOR COUNCIL.

I KNOW. YOU KNOW.

HEAR ME. IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S BETTER. OKAY. I KNOW IT'S A LATE NIGHT, AND I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF JUST TO UPDATE YOU.

WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL MEETING SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED A NEW DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO THE CITY STAFF WITH ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED ADDRESSED.

WE'VE ADDED THINGS LIKE AGREEING NOT TO HAVE A BUILD FOR RENT COMMUNITY.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES YOU ALL ASKED US TO ADDRESS.

WE'VE PUT THAT IN THE AGREEMENT.

SO WE'VE TURNED A NEW DRAFT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BACK TO YOU GUYS.

I KNOW THAT STAFF IS WORKING THROUGH THAT AND I KNOW CHRIS HAS BEEN OUT.

AND SO I THINK WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE AGREEMENT AND THE EXHIBITS, ALL THE THINGS THAT OR MAYBE MOST OF THE THINGS JOE ASKED US TO ADDRESS JUST AS A KIND OF A REMINDER OF WHAT THE CITY GETS OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

AND LET ME BACK UP.

SO WE'RE IN THE J AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT REQUIRED, RIGHT? SO AND YOU'LL HEAR THIS TERM USED.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEVELOP THE LAND AS A MATTER OF RIGHT MEANING WITHOUT ANY AGREEMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AS LONG AS WE COMPLY WITH ALL OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

RIGHT AND THE REASON YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS TO TRY TO BRING SOME CERTAINTY TO BOTH YOU ALL AND US THAT YOU DON'T OTHERWISE GET JUST IF YOU JUST FOLLOW THE LAW. RIGHT.

SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT IN ALL CASES OF A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, IT IS BETTER TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR BOTH OF US AND FOR YOU ALL.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALL GET SOME COMMITMENT FROM US ON A TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY AGREEMENTS ON LOT SIZES.

BUT IF YOU RECALL FROM MARK'S COMMENTS LAST TIME, WHEN YOU TAKE OUR TOTAL LOT COUNT AND APPLY IT OVER THE AREA, THAT EFFECTIVELY LIMITS THE LOT SIZES BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU EITHER HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF UNUSED LAND, RIGHT.

BECAUSE ONCE YOU HIT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS, RIGHT.

IF YOU'VE DONE ALL SMALL LOTS, THEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF UNDEVELOPED LAND.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE AGREEMENT WE'VE AGREED TO ON LOT SIZES.

YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON TO 88, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WILL ASSIST US WITH AND THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO GET SALES TAX

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AND SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON THOSE ISSUES.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE PARK AND REC PLAN.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED A MUCH MORE DETAILED PARKING REC PLAN TO THE STAFF AT CHARLES REQUEST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE DETAIL OF THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S UNDER REVIEW.

AS A REMINDER, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 130 ACRES THAT IS ENTIRELY IN THE COUNTY, NOT IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE REQUESTED THAT Y'ALL EXTEND YOUR AGE SO THAT THE ENTIRETY OF OUR TRACT IS IN THE J, AND WE CAN EITHER DO THAT SEPARATELY OR AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A BENEFIT FOR US TO JUST HAVE ONE JURISDICTION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND CONSISTENCY OF THE STANDARDS UNDER STATE LAW.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS YOU'VE SEEN THE LETTERS I'M SURE, FROM THE COUNTY ON THIS ISSUE ABOUT PLATTING AND DUAL REVIEW AND THAT SORT OF THING.

STATE LAW SAYS THAT.

EITHER THE CITY OR THE COUNTY GETS REVIEW PLOTS IN THE EGG.

AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY THAT SAYS, I'M GOING TO PUT THIS BACK AND SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT WORK.

RIGHT. SO THERE'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY THAT SAYS THAT IN THE WAY THE CITY DOES ALL OF THE REVIEW AND ONCE YOU EXTEND YOUR CORPORATE LIMIT OR YOUR AGE, THEN THAT WOULD COVER ALL THE PLOTS THAT ARE KIND OF SPLIT AT THIS POINT.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE LEGISLATURE SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH BOTH.

NOW, I KNOW THE COUNTY AND I KNOW WE HAVE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER HERE, SO I RECOGNIZE WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE.

YOU. WE HAVE.

SUBMITTED THIS TO THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE MET TWICE, I THINK, WITH COUNTY STAFF.

WE'VE MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS, MET WITH, I THINK FOUR OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

RIGHT, MARK? SO WE HAVE COORDINATED THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE ABOUT.

HEY, THIS IS ALL IN THE COUNTY AND THERE'S COUNTY SERVICES AND ALL THAT WAS RAISED IN THE LETTER.

BUT THE LAW IS WE EITHER WE EITHER DEAL WITH THE CITY OR THE COUNTY, NOT BOTH.

AND. WE'RE PREPARED TO DEVELOP.

JUST AS A MATTER OF. RIGHT, JUST FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND WE DON'T NEED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN ANYBODY'S BEST INTEREST.

BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE COUNTY IN THE ROOM FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

I THINK WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE OR FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND MAYBE KIND OF THE BROADER PICTURE.

I THINK WE'VE GOT A GREAT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE IN THE COUNTY OR IN THE CITIES.

BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES WITH YOU GUYS AND WITH THE COUNTY.

AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

WE THINK MAKING A DEAL IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE CAN'T REACH A DEAL THAT EVERYBODY CAN AGREE TO, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY A BAD RESULT.

BUT WE WOULD DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS WE CAN DEVELOP IT AS A MATTER OF RIGHT AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A BAD RESULT.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH ANYBODY ANYWHERE AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS PROJECT. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND MARK AND TRAVIS ARE HERE AND LET ME JUST CLARIFY, I'M A MUD LAWYER.

I'M NOT THAT KIND OF LAWYER.

I'M NOT A LITIGATOR.

SO I THINK SOMEBODY THOUGHT THAT I WAS A LITIGATOR AT THE LAST MEETING.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO DEALS.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR.

THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH.

AN OMBUDSMAN CREATED.

RIGHT? EXACTLY. OH, AND I DO WANT TO AFTER Y'ALL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MUDS, BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT ON THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

WE HAVE SOME BIG ONES.

WE HAVE SOME ONE TO SPEAK ON.

IT'S ON ITEM THAT'S HERE.

AND THEN I WENT FOR ITEM 11.

YEAH, I DIDN'T REALIZE I DIDN'T NEED TO SIGN UP IF WE WERE OKAY.

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NO, YOU'RE ON THE AGENDA.

THAT'S OKAY. THANKS. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS.

GO AHEAD, MA'AM. I DON'T LIKE THE MODIFICATION TO OUR ORDINANCES TO HAVE THE SINGLE ENTRANCE.

CAITLIN, YOU WANT TO COME ADDRESS THE STORY ABOUT THE MODIFICATIONS AND EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE ARE? YEAH. HI, I'M CAITLIN KING.

I'M WITH META PLANNING AND DESIGN, AND WE'RE THE LAMB PLANNERS WORKING WITH ASHER GRAIN WITH RICH ON THIS PROJECT.

SO THE POINTS OF ACCESS.

DID YOU HAVE IT LIKE THIS? IS IT RIGHT? YES.

SO THE.

SORRY FOR THE LOTS TO HAVE.

ONE POINT OF ACCESS FOR MORE THAN 30 LOTS WOULD LET US.

PUT A SECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH UP TO 150 LOTS.

SO WE DO STILL HAVE A CAP.

IT WON'T BE.

IT WILL HAVE A CAP.

IT WON'T BE AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT.

SO IT WOULD BE UP TO 150 LOTS, BUT IT WOULD EXCEED THAT 30.

BUT THERE WOULD BE ONLY.

YES, CORRECT. IF THERE'S A BOULEVARD PROCESSED BEHIND TWO POINTS OF ACCESS AND THEN THE BOULEVARD.

YEAH. SO BOULEVARD IS TYPICALLY A LARGER STREET OR A COLLECTOR STREET, SO THERE AREN'T AS MANY LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO FRONT ON THAT.

WITHIN THE LOCAL STREETS, WE'LL HAVE WILL.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RICH, BUT WE WILL FOLLOW THAT 30 LOT RULE.

THE 150 LOTS IS ONLY ON A BOULEVARD, WHICH IS KIND OF THE LARGER COLLECTOR STREETS THAT WILL SERVE AS THE CONNECTION WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. OKAY.

SORRY. LET ME CLARIFY THAT.

AT LEAST AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS IS A FIRE CODE ISSUE.

AND THE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU HAVE A BOULEVARD STREET, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TWO ROADS FOR PURPOSES OF BEING ABLE TO FIRE TRUCK AND GO DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD OR THE LEFT SIDE.

UNLIKELY THAT BOTH SIDES ARE BLOCKED.

AND SO MOST JURISDICTIONS WILL ALLOW YOU TO COUNT THE SECOND HALF OF THE BOULEVARD AS THE SECOND ROAD GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INTERIOR PIECE.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT COUNTING THE BOULEVARD AS THE TWO ROADS THAT MAKE UP THE BOULEVARD, THE 28 FOOT PAVEMENT AS THE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.

AND THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

I JUST WANT A SECOND ACCESS SO THERE WILL BE A SECOND ACCESS, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THERE'S TWO GOING IN, IT MERGES TO ONE.

AND IF THERE'S A FIRE OR AN EMERGENCY BLOCKAGE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE IN THE BACK CAN'T GET OUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SECOND ACCESS.

YEAH, WHY DON'T WE GET YOU WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF A SKETCH OF THIS VERSUS THIS AND SEE IF IT ADDRESSES YOUR CONCERN OR NOT? WOULD THAT BE OKAY? YEAH. OKAY. THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU NEED TO SEE AS OPPOSED TO HAVE A LAWYER TRY TO DESCRIBE YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HEARD THE EXPLANATION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I CAN HEAR CHIEF MYERS IN THE BACK.

YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL ME IF I'M JASON.

YOU'VE WORKED ENOUGH ACCIDENTS YOUR YOUR POINTS IN ON THIS BOULEVARD THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND YEAH I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ON THERE'S TWO ROADS AND YOU CAN BLOCK ONE SIDE BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A ARE THESE GOING TO BE TRAFFIC CONTROLLED GOING.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE HERE AS YOU HAVE IT DRAWN OUT, THE ONE THAT GOES EAST WEST.

YES. AND YOU HAVE NORTH, SOUTH COMING IN FROM THE TOP LEFT SIDE AND THEN KIND OF TOWARDS THE CENTER.

YOU HAVE THAT ONE COMING DOWN OR IS THERE TRAFFIC CONTROL AT THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS? ARE THOSE STOPLIGHTS OR STOP SIGNS? I THINK THAT'S DICTATED BY THE CIA, RIGHT? WELL, MY POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS I COULD SEE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S VERY RARE WHERE YOU NEVER HAVE TO BLOCK BOTH SIDES.

BUT IN THE EVENT WHERE YOU HAVE A T-BONE RIGHT THERE, I COULD SEE SOME BLOCKAGE ON BOTH SIDES.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT, CHIEF MYERS? JASON, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE? YES. YOU COULD SELL TO COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS POINT.

A SECOND ENTRANCE.

IT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL THERE.

YEAH. YEAH. LET ME MAYBE CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

SO. WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS TO ALLOW US TO DEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOMETHING THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS SAY, MEET THE FIRE CODE.

SURE, WE WOULD NOT COME TO YOU AND ASK YOU TO ALLOW US TO DO SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW THAT ALL WORKS HASN'T SAID,

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DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I GET IT.

YOU'RE ASKING US TO CHANGE OUR OR TO OVERRIDE OUR ORDINANCES BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES? WELL, IF WE DID THAT FOR EVERY DEVELOPER, WHAT GOOD IS OUR ORDINANCES? I MEAN, YOU CAN COME IN AND SAY, WELL, WE'VE SEEN THIS ANOTHER LOCATION, SO WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THIS WAY.

YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S A VALID POINT, RIGHT? AND I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF DO YOU.

IF YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS MODIFICATION WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOUR CHIEF OR YOU MAY CONSIDER MODIFYING YOUR CODE.

RIGHT. I MEAN, MOST OF THE STUFF IN HERE, I WOULD SAY IS THE KIND OF THING WE WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'VE LOOKED AT YOUR CODE AND JUST TO BACK UP, WE HAD A VERY LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT WE ASKED FOR CHANGES.

AND REALLY IT WAS ALL JUST, WELL, OKAY, WELL, THESE ARE LITTLE BITTY THINGS THAT CUMULATIVELY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

WE'VE KIND OF CUT IT DOWN TO KIND OF THE FOUR THINGS, FOUR OR FIVE THINGS THAT WE THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, I GUESS.

AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE THINGS ARE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE STANDARD IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

NOT TO SAY THAT YOU COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD, RIGHT.

BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO BREAK NEW GROUND HERE.

AND IS IT TOO LOUD NOW? NO, I'M NOT YOUR FAULT.

I'M YEAH, THE STATICS, NOT YOU, BUT I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO GET HIM TO SAY SO YEAH, I MEAN THE OTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS PERHAPS CONSIDER MODIFYING YOUR CODE FOR EVERYBODY, FOR THESE ITEMS I THINK WOULD BE THE OTHER WAY WOULD SAY IT IS THAT RIGHT SO DIFFERENT CONCERN TURNING THE PAGE A LITTLE BIT.

I'M SORRY I DO SHARE THEIR CONCERNS.

I THINK OF IT. OKAY.

I DO HAVE.

I APPRECIATE BOTH COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS AS WELL AS MAYOR PRO TEM RIGHTS CONCERN.

THAT NORTHWEST CORNER WHERE YOU'RE POTENTIALLY PUTTING BOTH AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.

MAN. I'M NOT.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU NEED MORE ROADS, MORE ENTRANCES OFF OF 521 MORE EXITS OFF 521 IT SEEMS LIKE THE SAME ISSUE.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR COLLECTOR FOR ONE ENTRANCE INTO TWO SCHOOLS.

MARK, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE THAT'S DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STICK.

CIA RECOMMENDS THAT WE EVENTUALLY HAVE FIVE FULLY SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

THAT'S THAT'S $2 MILLION COMMENT RIGHT THERE SO.

AND THE ENTRANCE INTO THE RESERVE, THE COLLECTOR BETWEEN THE TWO SCHOOLS HAS TO HAVE A LIGHT.

SO THEY'LL HAVE SEVERAL DRIVEWAYS OFF THAT COLLECTOR.

I'M SURE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY UP AND DOWN.

521 I THINK THE FRONT IS I THINK THE SPACING IS THREE OR 400 FEET.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WHEN WE BUILD THAT COLLECTOR DOWN TO OUR MAIN, MAIN BOULEVARD, THEY'LL HAVE A CONNECTION THERE.

ALSO, THEY.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING THEIR INTERNAL TIRZ SO THEY WILL HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH ENTRANCES AND EXITS TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC FLOW.

THIS MAP DOESN'T SHOW THEIR OWN DRIVEWAYS, RIGHT? NO. THIS MAP JUST SHOWS THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE COLLECTOR.

WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE ENTRANCE ROAD, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD THE SIGNAL EVENTUALLY, PROBABLY IN ONE OF THE EARLIER PHASES.

THEY WANT WATER BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

I HAVE A TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR WATER PLANT PROJECT ON MY DESK THAT WILL BE BUILT AND DESIGNED TO THE CITY STANDARDS AND DEDICATED TO THE CITY.

EVENTUALLY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SIGN THAT CONTRACT JUST YET TILL WE GET A LITTLE CLOSER.

I DID MEET WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE.

I MET WITH THREE COMMISSIONERS.

THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT THE 80 FOOT THING IS HERE AND WHAT THEY GOT DOWN THE ROAD WAS HERE AND THEY THOUGHT THIS PROJECT WAS RIGHT ABOUT HERE.

SO WE THOUGHT WE WERE OKAY WITH THE COUNTY.

WE MET WITH THE COUNTY ENGINEERING GROUP TWICE AND WE'RE READY TO SET UP ANOTHER MEETING RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY OF THE COUNTY.

TO PACIFY ALL THE PARTIES.

BUT THERE WILL BE ENOUGH CONNECTIVITY, ENOUGH DRIVEWAY TO SERVE BOTH THOSE TRACKS.

IT WILL BE A MIDDLE SCHOOL AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

I KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS ALSO EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE JUST NEED TO GET PAST THIS NEXT HURDLE SO I CAN START BUILDING THE WATER PLANT.

WE DID A DETAILED WELL STUDY ON THE AREA WHERE WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TWO WELLS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND.

WELL, AFTER 250 CONNECTIONS, WE MAY HAVE TO DO THREE WELLS, ADDITIONAL WELLS BECAUSE OF THE AQUIFER QUALITY, BUT THERE IS ENOUGH WATER TO SUSTAIN

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BUT AS FAR AS THE ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL, IT'LL BE EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED OR THEY CAN'T GET IT APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I GUESS IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FIRST TIME YOU CAME TO US, IT WAS A LOT SMALLER.

LOTS. WE ASKED YOU TO COME BACK AND YOU'VE COME BACK.

YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT LARGER LOTS, BUT IT'S STILL A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL.

AND I FEEL REALLY BAD BY SAYING, YEAH, I'M APPRECIATING THIS PROJECT.

WHEN OTHER DEVELOPERS WERE TOLD, YOU'VE GOT TO MIX IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEY CAME BACK WITH INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AND YOU'VE COME BACK WITH MORE HOUSES AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT, WE HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF HOUSING.

THAT'S THE LIMIT FOR US ACTUALLY.

AND THIS WAS AT YOUR REQUEST AT THE LAST MEETING.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE'VE PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE AGREE NOT TO DEVELOP ANY OF THIS.

FOR EITHER THREE OR FIVE YEARS.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE PUT.

THREE YEARS.

WHILE WE WORK ON GETTING ACCESS TO TO 88 SO THAT WE CAN DEVELOP IT AS COMMERCIAL.

SO THAT WAS THE REQUEST YOU MADE AT THE LAST MEETING TO TRY TO SATISFY THE COMMERCIAL.

I MEAN, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS THAT THE PRIOR PROJECT HAD.

RIGHT. WE WOULD LOVE TO DO COMMERCIAL HERE.

ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO DO COMMERCIAL HERE.

WE NEED YOUR HELP TO DO THAT.

AND WE'VE AGREED TO NOT DEVELOP THIS WHILE WE GO TO WORK WITH TEXT OUT AND TRY TO GET THAT DONE.

AND THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.

DID WE DID WE EVER AGREE ON A TIME FRAME? DID WE EVER SAY THREE YEARS? FIVE YEARS? I THINK YOU SAID YOU ALL HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT WAS EITHER THREE OR FIVE YEARS.

MR. RAY WHICH IS SIX YEARS.

THANK YOU. AND I MEAN, AND JUST TO BE TO BE FRANK, THE THREE YEARS WILL TELL US WHETHER WE HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING THE FRONTAGE ROADS.

RIGHT. I MEAN, WE NEED ABOUT THREE YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

IF IT'S EVEN A REMOTE POSSIBILITY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ON.

THEY THREE YEARS AND PLUS A DAY GO CONVERT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK THREE YEARS GIVES US ALL THE TIME WE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER WE CAN GET A DEAL WITH TEXT DOT THAT WORKS FOR US AND FOR Y'ALL AND FOR TEXTILE.

WE'D LOVE TO DEVELOP ALL THE COMMERCIAL WE CAN DEVELOP.

AT THE RATE TEXT GOES, YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT GET THAT ENTRANCE FOR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS.

OH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING. GET AN AGREEMENT TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT BUILT IN THREE YEARS.

BUT IF I'M ALSO UNDERSTANDING, CHRIS, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE DA BASED ON SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

SO. RIGHT.

SO WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE JUST MOVING THIS DOWN THE ROAD.

IRON OUT OR COMMUNICATE ABOUT EXPECTATIONS SO THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO WRITE THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW.

THEY'VE HEARD IT, WE'VE HEARD IT, AND WE ALL CAN MOVE FORWARD.

GOTCHA. OKAY. AND IF WE HAVE A STICKING POINT WE'VE HAD WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, WHEN THAT TIME COMES, WE'LL COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE WHATEVER, WHICH ALL GUIDANCE FOR WE SIGN.

SO. VOICING MY OWN OPINION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR CITY STAFF.

PUSH FOR SOME.

MAYBE MORE PROPORTIONALITY ON THE LOT SIZES.

WE'RE AT 7% FOR 70 FOOT.

54% AT 56.

D IS 39% C SOMETHING.

70 FOOT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE.

AT LEAST DOUBLE DIGITS WOULD BE NICE.

AND MAYBE DRAW THAT 50 DOWN TO SUB 50%.

I JUST THINK WE'RE OVERSATURATED ON RESIDENTIAL.

AT THIS POINT. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR OWN WATER AND SEWER IN.

BUT EVEN THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING ALL WELL.

AND IF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST OF PUTTING ANOTHER WELL IN.

THE TEXAS WATER BOARD IS VERY LIMITED ON HOW MANY TIMES WE CAN PUT A PIPE IN THE GROUND.

RIGHT. ACTUALLY, I'VE DECIDED TO EVENTUALLY SERVICE.

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I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THIS AGREEMENT IS THAT YOU ALL GET THE RIGHT TO ANNEX IT IN THE FUTURE.

SO JUST BECOME PART OF THE CITY SYSTEM.

RIGHT. WHICH IS A FEATURE HEADACHE.

RIGHT, FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.

THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE I WAS.

WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GROUNDWATER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SURFACE WATER.

THERE'S HEADACHES ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH OF THEM.

YEAH, THAT'S. AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY THERE'S A SURFACE WATER TRANSMISSION LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT. SO WE ACTUALLY DID.

YOU GET WATER OFF OF THAT LINE.

AND WE CANNOT. RIGHT.

SO, I MEAN, WE DID JUST YOU KNOW, WE DID GO DOWN THAT PATH TO SEE IF WE COULD AVOID DRILLING A WELL DESIGNATED TO ROSENBERG.

YEAH. I MEAN, I JUST KIND OF ECHOING JOHN'S AND MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT AND.

COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS POINTS.

I THINK ANY TIME WE DO A VARIANCE.

I'M NOT SAYING. I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE.

YOU COULD REALLY. ALMOST PICK YOUR BATTLES.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I WANT US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING FAIR AND CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OTHERS.

AND NOT ALLOW OTHER DEVELOPMENTS TO.

PEOPLE IN HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO NOT GO UPON THESE VARIANCES.

NOW, I KNOW Y'ALL AREN'T. IN THE CITY LIMITS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS.

BUT I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THAT POINT? SO ALL WE WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT IT AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT'S DONE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

AND IF THE STAFF COMES BACK TO YOU AND SAYS, HEY, LOOK, WE THINK THIS IS FINE AND MAYBE WE OUGHT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND CHANGE OUR REGULATION, IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU TIME TO CHANGE THE REGULATION, RIGHT? SO ALL I ASK YOU TO DO IS HAVE STAFF LOOK AT IT AND EVALUATE IT.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR ANYTHING CRAZY OR UNREASONABLE AND LOOK, IF THEY SAY, NOPE, WE THINK THIS IS CRAZY AND UNREASONABLE, WE'LL TAKE IT OUT.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE'VE ASKED YOU FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

NO, I APPRECIATE YOU.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR.

REQUEST THAT WE REVIEW IT AND WE CAN MAKE AN INDEPENDENT DECISION.

FAIR ENOUGH. BUT I JUST THINK AS AN OVERARCHING THEME FOR CITY COUNCIL THAT WE JUST BE VERY CAUTIOUS IN OUR USE OF VARIANCES.

AND BECAUSE I HATE THE PERCEPTION OF PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS AND SOME PEOPLE GET IT AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW.

WITH THE STURDY HOUSE RULE.

WE SEE EVERY OTHER MEETING THAT FEELS LIKE RIGHT HERE A FEW TIMES.

AND ITS ORIGIN IS FROM AN LDL-C THAT THE CITY PRETTY MUCH BLINDLY ACCEPTED AND.

FROM ANOTHER CITY.

AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT SINCE THEN.

CHAD MYERS, I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

FOR ALEXANDER COURT.

AND COLONY SQUARE.

HAVE WE EVER HAD ANY INCIDENTS TO WHERE IT'S BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE COMMUNITY.

NOT MUCH MONEY.

FOR YEARS, OK COLONY SQUARE HAS 48 HOMES.

ALEXANDER COURT HAS 70.

I'M JUST SAYING, MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT WE.

CHANGE THIS RULE OR UNDERSTAND THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING OUR OWN GUIDELINES.

OR WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

I JUST WANT TO COUNTER ARGUMENT THAT BOTH ME AND THE MAYOR HAVE BEEN STUCK AT OUR HOUSES WHEN I LIVED ON FIRE.

THERE WAS A FIRE CALL, COULDN'T GET OUT.

AND THEN LATER HE ALSO HAD A FIRE CALL AND HE COULDN'T GET OUT EITHER BECAUSE THERE WAS A SECOND STUB FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEVER CAME UNTIL FINALLY WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE A FIRE GATE PUT THERE.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO AVOID.

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SOME SKETCHES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I CAN'T. ANSWER IT ANY BETTER THAN THAT.

BUT WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.

SO MY QUESTION IS THIS MODIFICATION VARIANCE WHEN WE SAY WAS FOR THE 30 LOTS OR 50, BUT ONCE THE SUBDIVISION IS COMPLETELY BUILT OUT, THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE POINTS COMING IN AND OUT.

IT'S JUST FOR THE INITIAL PART.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE? THAT'S BEYOND MY PAY GRADE, IS IT? I'M JUST TRYING TO. TRAVIS.

TRAVIS IS SAYING YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

OKAY. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A SHORT TERM THING.

NOW, IF THE SUBDIVISION DOES NOT COMPLETE OUT, THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH THAT SINGLE.

BUT IN A PERFECT WORLD, IF IT DID BUILD OUT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE WAYS TO GET OUT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST DOWN TO ONE, RIGHT? INITIALLY, IT'S DOWN TO ONE.

THEN IT'S GOING TO GO, OF COURSE, THE REST OF THE WAY, BUT IT'S ALSO LOOKING IN THE MIRROR BALL, CRYSTAL BALL.

IF IT DOESN'T BUILD OUT, THEN YOU'RE STUCK WITH A SINGLE INTEREST.

I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THE PEOPLE IN AND OUT.

YOU'RE ALWAYS STUCK IN YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE A FIRE TRUCK IS BLOCKING THE MAIN ROAD IN BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A FIRE RIGHT THERE AT THE FRONT, WHICH IS TRUE.

THERE'S BEEN A FIRE IN FRONT OF MY SUBDIVISION, SECOND HOUSE ON THE LEFT FOR ABOUT 6 HOURS.

THERE WAS A FIRE TRUCK THERE. WE COULDN'T GET OUT.

NOW WE CONNECTED THE NEXT SUBDIVISION TO US.

AND SO NOW WE CAN HAVE AN ACCESS POINT OUT.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS CONFUSED.

HERE IS THIS ONLY FOR THE INITIAL ROUND? AND THEN IT BUILDS OUT COMPLETELY.

THEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT. IT'S A NON-ISSUE THEN.

AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S PROBABLY WAYS THAT WE CAN IN THAT INTERIM CONDITION, RIGHT? HAVE SOME EASEMENTS THAT WOULD SPRING INTO EXISTENCE OR WOULD ALLOW Y'ALL TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.

LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FIRE GATE OR WHATEVER, IF THE DEVELOPER, IF THE PROJECT STOPS, YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION THAT WE THOUGHT WAS TEMPORARY.

WE NEED A MORE PERMANENT FIX.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN WE CAN BAKE THAT INTO THE PIE, IF YOU WILL.

FAIR ENOUGH. SO THAT YOU DON'T GET STUCK WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A REMEDY IF THE PROJECT JUST STOPS.

I THINK WE COULD. SURE.

JUDITH AND I COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD SATISFY EVERYBODY ON THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE THINGS TONIGHT.

QUANTITY. VARIOUS SIZING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE REWORKED OR LOOKED AT.

AND THEN THE WATER AND ALL THAT.

SO I ASSUME THE LAST ONE TO SPEAK.

SO THE GUYS AND GALS USUALLY GET ALL THE QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN PIGGYBACK ON THE VERY END.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

IF I COULD TAKE THE QUESTION ON THE MUD.

OH, YES. MUD VERSUS NON MUD REAL QUICK.

THE ONE THING THAT I'M A BACKUP.

SO THERE'S NO FREE LUNCH, RIGHT? LET'S JUST SAY THAT FOR THE AVERAGE HOUSE, THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS WATER, SEWER, DRAINAGE, ROADS, PARKS TO GET TO THE HOUSE, IS $75,000. AND I'M MAKING IT UP.

IT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE, LITTLE LESS, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THAT'S THE NUMBER, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE A $300,000 HOUSE INSIDE A MUD, RIGHT.

BECAUSE THAT'S 75 IS GOING TO GET REIMBURSED FOR THE MUD, THEN THE HOUSE IS 300,000.

THE $75,000 FOR THAT HOUSE IS AMORTIZED OVER 30 YEARS AND THEN IT GOES AWAY.

RIGHT. BECAUSE ONCE THE MUD BONDS ARE PAID OFF, THEN THAT 75 IS GONE.

NOW, COMPARE THAT TO THE SCENARIO WHERE YOU SUGGESTED, WELL, LET'S JUST PUT IT INTO THE COST OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? SO NOW THAT SAME HOUSE, $300,000, YOU'VE GOT TO ADD 75,000.

BUT THE BUILDERS GOT TO MAKE A PROFIT ON THAT 75,000 BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY PUT IT INTO THE COST NOW.

RIGHT. SO LET'S SAY IT HAS TO GO UP ANOTHER 20% BECAUSE THEY GOT TO GET A PROFIT ON WHATEVER THEY SPEND.

RIGHT. SO NOW LET'S SAY YOU'RE AT 90,000 BUCKS.

SO THE SAME HOUSE IN THE MUD, 300,000 OUTSIDE OF MUD.

390,000. RIGHT.

SO. THE MORTGAGE HAS TO BE HIGHER.

WRITE THE POINTS YOU PAY ON THE MORTGAGE HAS TO BE HIGHER, ALL THAT STUFF.

AND THAT COST STAYS WITH THE HOUSE FOREVER.

RIGHT. BECAUSE AND LET'S JUST SAY HOME PRICES DON'T INCREASE OVER 30 YEARS JUST TO MAKE THE MATH EASIER.

RIGHT. SO AFTER 30 YEARS, YOU GO TO SELL THE HOUSE THAT YOU PAID 390,000 FOR.

RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL IT FOR 300,000 BECAUSE THE NINETIES ALREADY BEEN PAID OFF.

SO THE GUY THAT BUYS IT AFTER YOU.

IS BUYING THAT EXTRA 90,000 IN HIS MORTGAGE AND PAYING A MORTGAGE INTEREST ON THAT FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS AND THE 30 YEARS AFTER THAT. AND THE 30 YEARS AFTER THAT, IT NEVER GOES AWAY.

SO AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOBODY WHO'S FROM NEW YORK HERE.

BUT WHAT I LIKE TO SAY IS, IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY, WE'RE SENDING MONEY TO WALL STREET FOREVER ON THAT $90,000.

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WE PAY IT OFF OVER 30 YEARS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY WALL STREET INTEREST ON THAT EVER AGAIN.

IT'S DONE. SO IT ACTUALLY, IN MY OPINION, IS AN INFINITELY BETTER AND FAIRER AND CHEAPER WAY TO FINANCE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE COST THAN PUTTING THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE.

MORTGAGE RATES TODAY ARE WHAT WERE THEY A DAY, 7.2, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

STEPHEN, WHAT WERE THE BOND RATES THIS WEEK? YEAH. SO MUD BONDS ARE PAYING FIVE AND A QUARTER INTEREST MORTGAGE.

YOU'RE PAYING SEVEN.

ALL RIGHT. SO NOT ONLY WE'RE SENDING THEM THE MONEY FOREVER, WE'RE SENDING THEM 200 BASIS POINTS MORE.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY AND LOOK, STEPHEN, WHO IS ACTUALLY THERE COMPANIES THAT FOR THIS PRODUCT.

I'M HAPPY TO COME SHOW YOU THE MATH.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MATH YOU GET, YOU'LL INSIST EVERYBODY PUT IT IN A MONTH.

RIGHT. AND IF I CAN CONVINCE YOU OF THAT, THEN I'D RATHER NOT HAVE TO PAY DOUBLE CITY TAXES.

YEAH, THAT'S ALL THAT OTHER PRODUCT.

YEAH. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO FREE LUNCH, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S EITHER IN THE HOME PRICE, IT'S IN THE MUD TAX OR IT'S IN THE CITY.

THE CITY TAX. RIGHT. YEAH.

OH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE MUDS BECAUSE I'VE HAD SALES PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT MUD TAXES FOREVER.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PAY IT.

I DO THE PERFORMANCE ON THE ON THE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP WITH LOTUS.

ONE, TWO, THREE. SO EXCEL IS KIND OF A NEW THING FOR ME, BUT I'VE GOTTEN PRETTY GOOD AT IT.

AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WE COMPUTE.

BAIRD TELLS US HOW MUCH ABBEY WE'RE CREATING.

THAT TELLS US HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK ON THE MUDS.

WE LOWER THE LOT, COST THAT AMOUNT THAT LOWERS THE COST OF THE HOME.

IT DOESN'T BENEFIT THE DEVELOPERS, IT BENEFITS THE BUYERS.

NOW, THIS IS A CAPITALIST SOCIETY.

IF WE COULD KEEP THE MUD REIMBURSEMENT, WE WOULD.

BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OUR BUILDERS COULDN'T SELL HOUSES FOR $50,000 HIGHER.

SO I PROMISE YOU, THE MUD REIMBURSEMENT GOES BACK INTO LOWERING THE LOT COST, WHICH LOWERS THE HOUSE.

ALSO OUR PERFORMANCE SO THAT WE GET OUR MUDS SOMETIMES YEARS AFTER WE'RE GONE.

WE'RE WAITING FOR THE MUDS.

AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.

WE CAN BOOK IT. WE GET TWO YEARS WORTH OF INTEREST, BUT THE MUDS DO NOT BENEFIT THE DEVELOPER.

THEY BENEFIT THE BUYERS.

HAD WE WAITED FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON OR PEARLAND OR EVEN ANGLETON TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER, SOUTHEAST TEXAS WOULD BE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE SIZE IT IS RIGHT NOW. SO MUDS REALLY CREATED DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S WHY HOUSES IN AUSTIN AND DALLAS ARE SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.

WE PASS THAT ON TO THE BUYER.

NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO.

WE HAVE TO COMPETE.

WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THAT REIMBURSEMENT, BUT WE DON'T IT DOES NOT BENEFIT US AT ALL.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT STATEMENT AT THE END.

AS YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T BENEFIT YOU AT ALL.

WHAT BENEFITS THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

WHY DO WE WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT? SO, I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO ANNEX THIS IN THE FUTURE.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE CITY.

CORRECT. BUT THESE GUYS, I MEAN, WE'RE A PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE, RIGHT? THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

YEAH AND WE'VE PUT A BUNCH OF STUFF IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT IN THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'VE AGREED TO BUILDING MATERIALS, BRICK AND PERCENTAGE OF BRICK AND ALL THAT.

Y'ALL DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO REGULATE THAT.

RIGHT YOU'VE, WE'VE AGREED TO CAP THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WE DEVELOP. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT.

RIGHT. SO,YEAH, I MEAN YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS WHY DO WE WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT? I WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS 900 ACRES, WHAT ELSE WOULD GO THERE THAT'S BETTER THAN THIS? I MEAN, WE COULD DO A LOT OF STUFF WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THAT'S A LOT WORSE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN THE COUNTY AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO SAY YOU GOT TO DO 80 FOOT LOTS.

WELL, WE WON'T DO THAT.

WE'LL JUST DO STUFF THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLOT OUT.

YOU'LL END UP WITH A BUNCH OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND BUILD FOR RENT PRODUCT ON ON 521.

WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

RIGHT? SO THE PROCESS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ALLOWS YOU TO MAKE BY WORKING WITH US AND BY THE COUNTY WORKING

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AND IT MAY NOT BE THE IDEAL PRODUCT THAT YOU WANT OR THE PERFECT PROJECT THAT YOU WANT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY BETTER THAN IT WOULD BE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

WE CAN.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE THAT I DON'T REALLY THINK WE'RE EVER SATURATING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN FOR RESIDENTIAL, THOUGH.

THE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS A POSITIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THE SCHOOLS.

AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO END UP NEEDING THOSE.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, I FEEL, IS JUST REGURGITATION OF WHAT WE ALREADY.

FROM THE OTHER FIVE SIX DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY GOING ON IN ANGLETON AND RESOURCES ARE LIMITED.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY MY POSITION.

ELSE. IT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.

I MEAN. I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT.

AND YOU MADE YOUR PRESENTATION.

YOU TELL US YOU CAN DO IT AS A MATTER OF.

RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GOING TO.

I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU CAN PLANT YOUR FLAG IN THE GROUND AND DO WHAT YOU PLEASE, SO.

IT DOES PRESENT OTHER ISSUES.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBSIDENCE DISTRICTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST IT'S JUST A RESOURCE THAT.

WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF AS WE GROW FORWARD AS A CITY.

I DON'T PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND.

I LIKE THAT YOU ALL THINK OF THE CITY ANGLETON, BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM.

WHAT JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND WHAT WE'RE SERVING.

SERVICING. SO.

THERE'S WAVING THEIR HANDS OVER THERE.

BUT I MEAN, NOTHING'S ON THE GROUND YET OR ANYTHING.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'RE STILL TALKING IN ABSTRACT, SO.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE.

BUT AND I DO THINK I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO COME FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MARK SAID A LONG TIME AGO, WHICH IS WE'RE TRYING TO WEAR THE HAT OF PROTECTING THE CITY AND DOING THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST. AND, YOU KNOW.

WHEN OR IF THIS IS DEVELOPED ALL THE WAY OUT.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF OF ADDING 2500 HOME SUBDIVISION TO A CITY THAT.

I THINK PRESENTLY HAS ABOUT 9000 HOMES.

SO YOU'RE EXCEEDING ALMOST 30% OF THE PRESIDENT PRESENT POPULACE.

YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A GROWTH OF A POTENTIALLY 133% RIGHT THERE.

SO. WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU WOULD YOU RATHER OBVIOUSLY SAY AT THIS LAST TIME IF WE COULD DEVELOP ALL 900 ACRES WITH THE INDUSTRIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT? RIGHT. I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A 900 ACRE COMMERCIAL PROJECT.

THERE ISN'T 900 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AND IN THIS REGION.

RIGHT. THAT JUST DOESN'T EXIST.

SO, I MEAN, AND I'M IN ALL SINCERITY, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HERE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, KNOWING THAT IT CAN'T ALL BE COMMERCIAL? I MEAN, FIRSTLY, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH OPEN SPACES, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

THAT'S I MEAN, I LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN.

I PURPOSELY MOVED AWAY FROM THE BIG CITY TO ANGLETON TO COME TO A SMALLER COMMUNITY.

I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE ON THE COUNCIL HERE THAT DIDN'T GRADUATE FROM ANGLETON OR A BRAZORIA COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.

SO I MEAN.

THAT'S JUST ME, AND THAT'S WHERE I SIT.

BUT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T.

I KNOW I'M GIVING YOU SOME PUSHBACK.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T SEE A NICE PROJECT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCREDIT LIKE, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO THROW THE DUMPS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ANGLETON.

YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE IT. I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BESMIRCH YOUR QUALITY OF THE THE PRESENTATION.

YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED THE IDEAS.

YOU ALL HAVE PUT FORTH THE THOUGHT PROCESS.

YOU ALL HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COMMUNICATION APPARENTLY HAVE DONE WITH DOG AND OTHER MEMBERS OF OF WITHIN ANGLETON C HALL YOU JUST ASKED. MY ANSWER IS THAT SO? AND I KNOW. FAIR ENOUGH.

AS CITY COUNCILMAN.

I REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF ANGLETON JUST KNOW I DO.

I MEAN, I HAVE THEIR SUPPORT.

THEY EXPRESS THAT TO ME.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO.

I'M SUPPOSED TO COMMUNICATE WITH MY CONSTITUENTS.

THAT'S ALL SO.

WELL, THANK YOU. TRAVIS AND I REPRESENT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE WHAT'S COMING.

YEAH, AND AND I LIKE TO SEE NICE STUFF.

I'VE LIVED HERE.

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TOO MUCH. AND I SAID I SAW ANGLE.

SIT HERE. AND GROW 0% IN GROWTH.

FROM THE TIME I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL TILL I CAME BACK.

BACK TO TOWN IN 85.

AND PEOPLE SIT AROUND AND, WELL, I LIKE THE SMALL TOWN.

I DO LIKE THE SMALL TOWN.

IF I DIDN'T LIKE THE SMALL TOWN, I WOULDN'T HAVE COME HERE.

BUT. PEOPLE NEED A PLACE TO LIVE.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE PERSON WHO SLAMS THE DOOR AND SAYS, I'M THE LAST PERSON IN THE TOWN.

THE REST OF YOU JUST TAKE A HIKE, GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO I'LL MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.

YOU SAID, WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN? YOU DON'T HAVE A DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN WITH 250 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE WITH MILES OF WALKWAY THIS IS THE DIFFERENT THING.

THERE'S NOTHING IN TOWN LIKE THIS.

OUR OUR COMPETITION HAS SMALLER LOTS, MINUSCULE AMENITIES.

I'VE GOT A 13,000,000 MILLION AMENITY BUDGET HERE.

SO THIS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'RE SEEING IN ANGLETON RIGHT NOW.

LIKE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW.

I KNOW WE. SOUND RELATIVELY HARSH, BUT I DON'T THINK.

WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR SOUTHERN CHARM, CECIL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS A FEW TIMES NOW AND WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS COME OUT ON THE BEST SIDE OF IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.

AND SO.

BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE MOST THAT WE CAN OUT OF.

IT'S NOTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO BLINDSIDE US OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET WHAT WE CAN WHILE WE CAN GET IT.

BECAUSE ONCE THE DEAL IS DONE, THE DEAL IS DONE.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

I AGREE, MARK. I MEAN, IF WE DON'T FIGHT, NOBODY WILL.

I MEAN, IT'S OUR JOB TO PUSH BACK OF SOME SORT.

WELL, AND YOU ALL ARE DOING WELL, TOO.

I MEAN, THIS IS A NEGOTIATION PROCESS.

THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. I THINK THAT'S HOW NEGOTIATIONS THERE'S GIVE AND TAKE.

AND IT'S A BIG PROJECT.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU GO IN, ESPECIALLY LIKE MARK SAYING THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON THAT WE ONCE, ONCE IT CLOSES, IT CLOSES OR SHUTS.

SO. WE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON THAT COMMERCIAL PORTION AND THE NUMBER OF YEARS, I THINK IN THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER 380, IT NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD AS AUSTIN COLONY AS WAS SIX YEARS.

FROM THE FIRST PERMIT.

AND TO. JUST AS A GENERAL.

COMMENT. JUST IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON, WE HAVE APPROVED OTHER LOTS, SO THIS IS NOT THE FIRST.

SO I THINK WE HAVEN'T SLAMMED THE DOOR ON EVERYBODY.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MISCHARACTERIZATION.

WE KNOW WE'VE GOT ALMOST 5000 NEW THE LOTS ACTUALLY WITHIN CITY LIMITS COMING.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

SO I WAS ALWAYS FISHING WITH MY COMMENTS.

PEOPLE KNOW WHERE I STAND.

THEY KNOW WHERE MY POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN.

I RAN ON GROWTH AND THAT'S HOW I GOT ELECTED WAS ON GROWTH.

AND I'VE KIND OF STUCK WITH THAT.

AND I'M KIND OF LIKE, CECIL BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE PRETTY MUCH.

AND WE'LL LOOK AT OUR CENSUS AND HADN'T GROWN VERY MINOR AMOUNT OVER THE LAST 30, 40 YEARS.

YOU KNOW, THAT MARKER WHEN YOU COME INTO THE CITY DOESN'T BUDGE OFF OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT A SMALL AMOUNT.

I HATE DRIVING TO ANOTHER CITY TO GO BY MY BELT.

I HATE DRIVING TO ANOTHER CITY TO GO BUY COWBOY BOOTS.

I HATE. RIGHT.

IF I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKE MY WIFE TO A REALLY NICE HIGH END EVENT OR A SOCIAL TO EAT.

WE END UP GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

NOW WE HAVE NICE PLACES HERE.

WE DO THAT A LOT.

BUT IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THAT ONE LITTLE EXTRA.

I LIKE MY MONEY TO STAY HERE, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

I LIKE IT. WE ALL REPRESENT A DIFFERENT CLIENTELE.

WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR EAR THAT ARE ALL DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE, SO WE MAY HEAR A DIFFERENT STORY THAN MY COUNTERPART DOES.

BUT I DO HEAR IT FROM FOLKS THAT SAY, MY GOSH, WHY DO I HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? I MEAN, WE HAD A PRIOR MAYOR THAT ALWAYS TOUTED HIS WIFE WENT TO PEARLAND TO SPEND HIS MONEY BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING HERE FOR HER.

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YOU KNOW WHY HE SAID THIS TABLE, I WANT TO KEEP MY MONEY HERE.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND ADDITIONAL STUFF TO PROVIDE FOR MY POLICE AND MY FIRE AND MY EMS, MY STREETS SO THEY KNOW WHERE I STAND.

YOU'RE RIGHT. TRAVIS, WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THE DOOR.

WE'VE WORKED IT OUT.

WE'VE TALKED TO EACH OTHER.

WE TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.

I SAID IT EARLIER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR OPERATIONS CENTER, WE'VE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

WE CAN'T MAKE A MISTAKE.

AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS UP HERE.

WE'RE SIX DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS WITH SIX DIFFERENT MINDSETS, WITH SIX DIFFERENT SETS OF BACKGROUNDS, SIX DIFFERENT SETS OF FRIENDS THAT ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

I APPRECIATE STAFF FOR WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT GO AND SIT EYEBALL TO EYEBALL WITH THESE GUYS WHEN MAY HAVE TO TELL THEM NO, YOU KNOW OR NO, LET'S TRY THIS. IT'S A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW.

IT REALLY IS.

TRAVIS, IT'S THE SAME THING.

WHERE ARE THESE FOLKS COME AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO TO WORK? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? YOU KNOW HOW THEY GET IN HERE.

THEY'RE JUST COMING FROM EVERYWHERE IN MY RESEARCH AND GOING OUT TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND VISITING WITH THOSE NEW RESIDENTS.

THEY'RE COMING FROM NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST OF HOUSTON, AND THEY'RE COMING RIGHT HERE.

WE'VE HEARD IT ALL OUR LIVES.

THIS TOWN IS GOING TO GROW ONE DAY WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT.

WE HAVE HEARD THAT SINCE I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, JUNIOR HIGH, HIGH SCHOOL.

IT'S GOING TO GROW ONE DAY AND IT'S HERE.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE FACT, THE EVOLUTION OF COMMUNITIES, THEY HAVE TO GROW.

WE'VE WATCHED EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND US GROW SOME A WHOLE LOT FASTER AND BIGGER.

BUT WE HAVE TO GROW.

I MEAN, JUST THE EVOLUTION OF A CITY.

SO I'M NOT CLOSING THE DOOR.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT, THAT YOU GET WHAT YOU GET.

WE GET WHAT WE NEED.

AND EVERYBODY WALKS AWAY FROM THE TABLE, EITHER HAPPY OR AT LEAST SOMEWHAT HAPPIER.

THANK Y'ALL. IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE ALWAYS GET TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS, THE BACK END OF THE MEETING, AND WE'RE TIRED AND WE'RE READY TO GO HOME.

AND WE KNOW THERE'S AN ELECTION GOING ON.

WE HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE PROBABLY SITTING AROUND A TV WAITING TO SEE IF THEY WON OR NOT.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I HOPE Y'ALL GOT WHAT Y'ALL NEED.

STAFF. I HOPE Y'ALL ARE GETTING SOME DIRECTION WHERE WE'RE AT.

THEY'VE HEARD OUR CONCERNS AND Y'ALL WILL HOPEFULLY WORK SOMETHING OUT SO WE CAN SEE A GOOD SOLUTION BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE HAPPY AT THE END OF THE DAY, BUT WE'LL BE SOMEWHAT HAPPIER.

ALL RIGHT, OTIS, ARE YOU GOOD? YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

WE HAVE ITEM 11 TO FINISH.

I KNOW. YEAH, WE GOT THAT. YES.

OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 11 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ASHLAND, SECTION TWO, PRELIMINARY PLAT.

[11. Discussion and possible action on the Ashland Section 2, Preliminary Plat.]

I'LL LET THIS ONE COME AND SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUEST FOR ASHLAND, SECTION TWO.

I WILL SAY THIS LOCATION IS JUST SOUTH OF WHAT YOU JUST SAW FOR THE TWO SCHOOL SITES PROPERTY CLOSEST TO 521 THE REQUEST THIS EVENING IS FOR A PLAT OF 15.5 ACRES WITH 67 LOTS AT 50 FOOT BY 120.

WITH THREE RESERVES AND THREE BLOCKS.

I WILL SAY THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT.

YOU'VE ALSO SEEN THREE OR FOUR OTHER PLANTS.

ONE WOULD BE SECTION ONE, YOU SAW THE DEDICATION ONE AND TWO, AND ALSO THE MODEL HOME PARK PLAT IN WHICH THOSE WERE PRESENTED TO YOU AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SUBJECT TO THE AGREEMENT BEING NEGOTIATED AND WORKED OUT AND APPROVED.

SO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN WAS JUST A LOOSE END OF THOSE OTHERS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, THAT WE'RE WALKING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THERE WAS A TYPO ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SEPTEMBER ONE PNC MEETING WHERE THIS ONE WAS NOT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA, BUT SECTION ONE WAS NOTED TWICE.

I DIDN'T DO IT, BUT.

HOWEVER, WE WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN DUE TO THE SHOT CLOCK.

REQUIREMENTS ON THE STATE LEVEL THAT WERE HANDED DOWN IN 2019.

WE TRY TO PROCESS THESE ON THE TIMELY BASIS.

THIS. VISION. SO THE VISION WAS SUBMITTED JULY.

LATE JULY OR MID-JULY OF THIS YEAR.

SO WE TRY TO WORK IT THROUGH THE PROCESS ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE.

I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE A FINE TUNING THE SUBMITTAL SCHEDULE WHERE IT WILL ALIGN WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS MORE.

SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IS INDIVIDUALS WERE ALLOWED TO SUBMIT PLATS WHENEVER THEY SAW FIT.

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PLANNING COMMISSION, OF COURSE, AS I STATED.

HAD TO TABLE THIS INTO THEIR NEXT AGENDA, WHICH WAS OCTOBER SIX, IN WHICH STAFF PRESENTED THIS ITEM TO THEM.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS PER THE REVIEW BY OUR ENGINEERING TEAM WITH HDR.

THERE WERE 13 ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.

MOST OF THEM ARE JUST NOTATIONS ON THE PLAT.

NOTHING THAT WAS SUBSTANTIAL.

HOWEVER, THOSE NOTES, OF COURSE, WERE SO NOTED BY THE APPLICANTS AND THE REQUEST WAS TO APPROVE THE PLAT SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS BEING SATISFIED.

AND OF COURSE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEING APPROVED.

YOU WILL SEE THE RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 3 TO 2 TO DENY THE PLAT, ALTHOUGH STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL BASED ON WHAT I JUST SAID.

AND I ALSO ASSERTED TO THEM THAT PLANNING AUTHORITY OUT IN THE J IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE WAS NOT UNDER THEIR AUTHORITY, BUT YOU CAN FOLLOW THE RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS TO THAT EFFECT.

SO IT'S BEING FORWARDED TO YOU FOR ACTION.

WE ALSO FORWARDED THIS REQUEST FOR REVIEW TO THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT STAFF.

STAFF HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEIR TEAM.

GEORGE RENAE AND HIS STAFF CAME OVER TO BASICALLY INFORM US OF THEIR REQUEST TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PLATS WERE OUT THEY WERE OUT IN THE COUNTY TO BASICALLY REVIEW THEM BASED ON THE COUNTY STANDARDS.

SO WE AGREED TO DO SO.

WE FORWARDED IT TO THEM AND THEN WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS BACK.

I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THOSE ARE ON RECORD REGARDING LOT SIZE ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY STANDARDS AND THEN THE QUESTIONS OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY REGARDING PLAT APPROVAL PROCESSES.

SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL.

YOU'RE ASKED TO CONSIDER THIS PLAT.

BASED ON WHAT I'VE SAID FOR SECTION TWO.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND BEFORE YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS, IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION TODAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN ON FILE FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS.

SO IN ESSENCE, YOU CAN DISCUSS IT.

IF YOU DO ANYTHING BUT APPROVE IT, THEN THE DEVELOPER HAS THE OPTION TO DO A CERTIFICATE ASKING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF NON APPROVAL.

BUT IT'S MORE THAN 30 DAYS.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT TILL TODAY.

THANK YOU. NOTICE WE APPROVED SECTION ONE.

THE SECTION ONE PRELIMINARY PLAN AT THE LAST WAS YOUR LAST PRESENTATION.

I WOULD SAY ABOUT IT WAS SECTION ONE.

APPROVED THE SECTION ONE PLAT ON SEPTEMBER 27TH WITH CONDITIONS.

IT WAS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

QUESTIONS. COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S ALL DIGEST THAT FOR A MINUTE.

WE DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL.

COMMISSIONER LINDER, DAVID LEONARD WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ITEM NUMBER 11.

SO, COMMISSIONER, IF YOU LIKE, YOU GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR WAITING PATIENTLY.

I WOULD SAY GOOD EVENING.

I'M GONNA SAY NIGHT. YOU GUYS DON'T GET YOU GUYS AND GALS DON'T GET PAID ENOUGH.

I'LL TELL YOU, I'LL DO A LOT OF HARD WORK.

BUT MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'M HERE TONIGHT, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK JUST A MOMENT.

AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE SAID IT MANY TIMES.

YOU'RE AWARE. I'M JUST I'M AGAINST HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE TJ'S.

WE'RE IN THE AREAS OF THE COUNTY.

AND THE REASON I'VE SAID THIS AND WE MET WITH SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THE CITY STAFF AND THE ATTORNEY AND ONE OF THE BIG ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY IN FRONT OF THESE GUYS THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT.

WE HAVE ZERO ORDINANCE POWERS.

SO WHEN YOU PUT PEOPLE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

AND YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM TURN THEIR MUSIC DOWN.

YOU CAN'T REGULATE THEM.

YOU CAN'T STOP THEM FROM SHOOTING FIREWORKS.

YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM FROM DOING ANY TIME OF THE YEAR.

I MEAN. SO WE HAVE ZERO AUTHORITY TO KEEP PEOPLE AT PEACE.

AND THIS DAY AND TIME, IT'S BECOME SO MUCH OF A PROBLEM IN THE NORTH AND OF OUR COUNTY.

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NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING.

THEY'RE SHOOTING FIREWORKS TONIGHT.

THEY'RE PLAYING RAP MUSIC.

AND I MY KIDS ARE TRYING TO SLEEP.

THEY'RE BARBECUING TODAY.

THEY'RE BARBECUING WITH GREEN WOOD.

I CAN'T STAND IT.

I CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

AND THEY'RE STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

ANOTHER HUGE PROBLEM WE SEE ON A SUNDAY, A FOOTBALL GAME.

THERE ARE SO MANY CARS PARKED IN THE STREET BECAUSE THE LOTS THE HOUSES ARE SO CLOSE TO THE STREET THAT YOU PUT TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS PARKING ON THE STREET.

YOU CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD LITERALLY.

YOU CAN GO TO RODEO PALMS TODAY ON A SUNDAY OF FOOTBALL GAME AND I CHALLENGE YOU TO PULL A CAR OR A VEHICLE AND A BOAT TRAILER DOWN THAT ROAD.

YOU CAN'T DO IT. MATT HANKS, AS OUR COUNTY ENGINEER, HE'LL TELL YOU HE TRIED BECAUSE HE HAS A STORAGE BUILDING NOT FAR FROM THERE.

SO THAT IS MY CONCERNS.

I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE ALSO ASKED THE CITY, AND I THINK I'M NOT THE LAWYER IN THIS, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE STANDARDS THE COUNTY HAS WITH OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, THE COUNTY HAS A RIGHT TO SIT AT THE TABLE AND DISCUSS THE AGREEMENT WITH FOLKS.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING AND WE WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN.

I HAVE VISITED WITH SOME OF THESE GUYS AND GALS, BUT I THINK WE CAN WORK THINGS OUT.

BUT WE WANT A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

WE THIS IF WHAT WE'D REALLY LIKE IS THE CITY TO ANNEX IT.

BECAUSE I MEAN, CITIES ALL ALONG THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY HAVE COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT THEY NEED TO ANNEX THESE AREAS IN CITY MUDS.

SO I'M VERY PROUD OF THESE FOLKS.

AND STASNY RANCH . I THINK THAT'S AWESOME.

I DON'T LIKE THE LOT SIZES, WHICH I DON'T I DON'T LIKE ANY YOU KNOW, I LIKE AN ACRE LOT, BUT THAT'S UNREASONABLE.

I KNOW. BUT THE END CITY MUD IS GOOD.

YOU HAVE AUDITS POWERS YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE ABILITIES TO TO MANAGE THESE PEOPLE.

SO THEY DO HAVE A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.

YOU PUT 22 THINK OF THIS.

THINK OF COUNTING 2200 HOMES IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

TAKE YOUR ORDNANCE. EXCUSE ME? TAKE YOUR ORDNANCE POWERS AWAY.

YOU HAVE NO ORDNANCE.

YOU CAN'T ENFORCE NOTHING.

GIVE A 20 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME TO THE LOOP AND IN ITS POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SHERIFF'S POLICIES CAN'T GET THERE QUICKER AND 20 MINUTES LIKELY.

AND THEN ANSWER YOUR CONSTITUENTS ANSWER TO YOUR SET, YOUR CONSTITUENTS YOU'RE GOING TO BE.

JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.

JUST LOOK AT THE CALLS THAT YOU GET IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON FOR NUISANCE DOGS, WHATEVER THEY ARE.

AND IMAGINE YOU COULDN'T ENFORCE ANY OF THAT.

YOU THINK THE MUFFLER PROBLEM? YOU THINK THE GUY WITH THE MUFFLER PROBLEM WAS BAD? WAIT TILL THE NEIGHBORS SHOOTING THIS.

357 IN THE FRONT YARD.

THINK ABOUT THAT. OR THE NEXT GUY BURNING TRASH.

AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE SEEING IN THE JAZZ AND I GET IT DEVELOPERS THERE AND I'M NOT SAYING I HATE TO SAY IT AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT.

THEY'RE HERE TO MAKE A PROFIT.

THEY'RE GOING TO PRODUCE THEIR PRODUCT AND THEN THEY'RE OUT OF THE PICTURE.

WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO YOUR KIDS AND MY KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS TO MANAGE THIS.

SO I'M ASKING FOR THAT.

WE'RE ASKING COMMISSIONERS COURT IS ASKING FOR A SEAT AT THE TABLE AT THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT.

I'M NOT SURE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS.

ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

I THINK IT'S IN THE. I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE ECJ.

AND IF IT'S IN THE ECJ, I DON'T THINK AND I MEAN, I'M SORRY, IT'S IN THE COUNTY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S IN YOUR. EVEN A PORTION OF IT.

BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN YOUR.

I'M NOT A LAWYER.

BUT. THERE ARE SOME LAWYERS IN THIS ROOM.

AND I. I DON'T KNOW.

DO YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EVEN HERE? IF YOU CAN DO THAT, THEN JUST RUN ALONG THE SIDE OF WEST COLUMBIA TO PROVE SOMETHING.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT DOESN'T ADVISE YOU ON THE 30TH DAY THAT THIS IS DUE.

IF YOU WANT MY PERSONAL OPINION AND I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU JUST FIGURED IT OUT TODAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS HERE.

COUNTY WOULD LIKE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

THE CITY OF ANGLETON HAS BEEN A GOOD PARTNER WITH US.

WE DON'T HAVE TO BE A GOOD PARTNER.

AND I KNOW I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE COURT, BUT I THINK I'M SPEAKING FOR I THINK WE ALL FEEL THIS WAY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO BE A PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON, EVEN THOUGH I LOVE ANGLETON.

I TRULY LOVE ANGLETON.

HELL, I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.

BUT I'M SAYING LET'S JUST SLOW DOWN.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROVE IT AND APPROVE SOMETHING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

LET'S VISIT WITH THESE DEVELOPERS.

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I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MAYBE INCREASE A LITTLE BIT ON THE SMALL SIDE.

I'D LIKE TO ALSO TALK TO THEM ABOUT POSSIBLY IF IT DOES, IF IT IS GOING TO, IF IT'S NO WAY TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

I'D LIKE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE MUD, POSSIBLY PROVIDING SOME CONSTABLES, SOME PAY LIKE WE'RE DOING IN SO MANY OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS TO HELP ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE. A LOT LIKE TO DO THAT.

AND SO FAR IT'S BEEN REALLY RECEPTIVE WITH ALL OUR MODES.

MERIDIAN OF POMONA, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO NUMBER FOUR DEPUTIES NOW FROM MY PRECINCT FOUR CONSTABLES OFFICE THAT THEY'RE PAYING TO HAVE IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS. SO I MEAN WE'RE SEEING IT LIKES OF SAVANNAH.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THERE NUMBER MAYBE NUMBER FIVE DEPUTY THAT THEY'RE PAYING BECAUSE WE CAN'T THE COUNTY CAN'T MANAGE IT.

I MEAN, IT'S WE HAVE A YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HOME INVASION AND IT'S 20 MINUTES TO GET THERE.

AND I'M NOT TALKING NEGATIVE ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT IT'S THE RURAL AREA OF THE COUNTY.

SO I'D LIKE TO BUILD AND NEGOTIATE THAT WITH THESE FOLKS.

YOU KNOW, SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, SOME PATROLS THAT ARE PAID BY THE MUD TO HELP OFFSET THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS.

THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS I THINK WE COULD SIT DOWN AND TALK AND WORK THROUGH.

AND AGAIN, I'VE MET WITH THEM.

I'M NOT COMPLETELY PLEASED WITH THE LOT SIZES, BUT I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A GIVE AND TAKE.

WE'VE GOT A GIVE AND TAKE. AND SO I'M HERE TONIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A LEGAL ADVICE, BUT I JUST AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN AND GET SOMETHING THAT'S 20.

THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

2200 HOMES.

AND AGAIN, I TRULY FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD ALL SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO VISIT WITH OUR COLLEAGUE AND SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES TO THE NORTH THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME OF THESE GROWING PAINS AND AND LEARN OUR UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE ANNEXING THESE THINGS OR ACQUIRING THESE THINGS TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE CITY LIMITS ON THE GET GO.

THE ANNEXATION LAWS HAVE CHANGED AT 30 YEARS.

YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE GOING TO VOTE TO HAVE YOU ANNEX THEM? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, RIGHT? THE VOTE FOR IT. NO.

OK WELL, I'M WRONG.

I'M NOT. I'M JUST.

ANYWAY, SO AGAIN, I'D LOVE TO I LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AT THE TABLE AND TRY TO GET THIS NEGOTIATED.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WE'RE DOING WITH ANY OTHER CITY.

BUT IT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND.

AND AGAIN, I WANT TO BE A PARTNER.

CITY OF ANGLETON'S. MR. CAGE WANTS TO BE A PARTNER FOR THE CITY OF.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY YOU'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE COUNTY.

SO WE'D LIKE TO DO IT ALL TOGETHER.

ANYWHO, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. AND I LOVE THE STARS AND THE RANCH DEAL.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT THIS ITEM, BUT IT'S IN CITY.

IT'S A IT'S BIGGER.

LOTS WOULD BE BETTER, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S IN THE CITY, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. LEONARD. A LOT OF INTEREST WAS THAT CAN WE ADDRESS THAT? IT'S OPEN DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY, MR. ALDOUS. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT. IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.

YES. I MEAN, TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER LINDA'S POINT AT THIS POINT, SINCE THERE IS ITAR AS WELL AS COUNTY.

ARE THEY REQUIRED TO BE AT THE TABLE? I MEAN, WE ACTUALLY I THINK THERE THERE ARE COMMENTS DEFINITELY NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE DUE TO THAT PROPERTY.

I'M SORRY. LET ME TRY TO ANSWER.

WE DO SO ON THAT.

SO THE COMMISSIONER IS RIGHT THAT THE PLAT THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS IN BOTH THE CITY, IN THE ECJ AND OUTSIDE THE ECJ IN THE COUNTY.

ARE ALL OF OUR INTERACTIONS WITH THE CITY HAS HAVE ASSUMED THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO ACT ON THE PETITION TO EXTEND YOUR ECJ.

AND IF YOU DO THAT, THEN THE CITY I MEAN, THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY IF IT'S IN BOTH AND THERE'S NO EXTENSION OF THE THAN BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY HAVE TO APPROVE IT. I THINK UNLESS I'VE NOT UNDERSTOOD THEIR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WOULD AGREE, WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT. ON THIS PLOT.

THE ACTION I THINK YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO TAKE IS TO APPROVE THE PLOT SUBJECT TO THE DA BEING APPROVED, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE EXPANSION OF YOUR.

RIGHT. SO WITHOUT THE DA, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE PLAT APPROVED BY BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

IF YOU DO THE DA, THEN WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE PLAT APPROVED BY THE CITY AND I MEAN TO BACK UP THE INITIAL PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 27TH.

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THE CONDITIONS ARE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

A COMPONENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT THE DAY IS EXPANDED.

SO THOSE WERE CONDITIONAL APPROVALS, WHICH IS WHAT I TOLD THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND I TOLD THE COUNTY.

AND BY THE WAY, THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY.

AMENABLE TO TALKING TO THE COUNTY, TO NEGOTIATING WITH THE COUNTY.

AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT POLITELY WITHOUT INSULTING THEM.

SO JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.

THAT ONE THING I LIKE TO SAY IS.

UM. I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE IT WOULD BE IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST TO.

IS THERE POLITICAL CLOUT TO LOBBY THE LEGISLATURE IN THE HOUSE RATHER THAN THREATENING MUNICIPALITIES WITH COOPERATION? TO CHANGE THE RULES IN THE EGG.

BECAUSE IT'S A NO MAN'S LAND, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE POWER. WE DON'T HAVE POWER.

AND THAT WAS MADE BY US, WAS MADE BY THE CITY.

IT WAS MADE BY THE COUNTY.

WHO MADE THOSE RULES? NOT US. OKAY.

SO DO WE.

I THINK. THANK YOU, MR. MARK, FOR THAT. THANK YOU, JUDITH, FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.

APPRECIATE THAT. I DO RECALL THAT IT WAS A CONDITIONAL.

I DO REMEMBER, BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO PETITION FOR AN EXTENSION.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE VOTE WAS THREE TO 2 TO 3 OTHER? YES, I DID NOT.

BUT YOU'RE TELLING US WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PASS.

I'M SAYING BY OPERATION OF LAW, THE 30 DAYS WAS A SATURDAY AND A FAILURE TO PASS.

DOES WHAT? SO MY OPERATION.

SO I DON'T JUST WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME IF YOU DON'T.

YEAH. I MEAN YOU'RE JUST SAYING IF, SAY THE VOTE FOLLOWED THE.

SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN THAT TRIGGERS ACTION BY THE DEVELOPER.

AND THEY COULD REQUEST AN EXTENSION OF WAIVE THAT 30 DAY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

I MEAN, YOU WERE KIND OF IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE HERE, BUT THAT'S ALL.

WELL, YOU WOULD BE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT'S A MINISTERIAL DUTY.

SO. APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OR DO EITHER WITH CONDITIONS.

GOT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WE DO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM WITH A NUMBER 11.

I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS, MA'AM.

THE STATE LAW THAT SAYS CITY HOME RULE CITIES CAN DEFINE AND PROHIBIT ANY NUISANCE.

IN THERE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THEIR CITY LIMITS, AND THAT COVERS MOST OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT NUISANCE WOULD YOU SPECIFICALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

ALL THE NUISANCE THAT HE LABELED LOUD MUSIC GUNSHOTS.

SO THE TERM NUISANCE IN YOUR CODE IS A DEFINED CODE.

THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSIONER IS TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE VIOLATIONS OF OTHER PENAL CODE, TRANSPORTATION CODE.

THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY.

I MEAN, THERE ISN'T THERE'S LIMITED AUTHORITY ON WHAT A CITY CAN ENFORCE IN THE.

THERE'S LIMITED AUTHORITY ON WHAT THE COUNTY CAN DO AS WELL.

SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT.

THE TERM NUISANCE ISN'T REALLY THE RIGHT TERM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW NUISANCE IS DEFINED IN YOUR CODE, BUT IT'S NOT.

NO, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEFINED IN OUR CITY CODE DEALING WITH THE CITY LIMITS, BUT NOT OUTSIDE.

AND YES, SIR, CAN I JUST ADDRESS YOUR ISSUE ON THE I THINK THIS GOES TO THE COMMISSIONER'S AND IT WASN'T MENTIONED WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU DO A DAY WITH A QUALITY DEVELOPER IS THAT THEY WILL PUT IN PLACE DEED RESTRICTIONS WITH A STRONG HOA THAT CAN ENFORCE THAT STUFF.

RIGHT. SO AS OPPOSED TO JUST KIND OF THE SUBDIVISION OF LAND AND THERE'S NOT AN HOA, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU THAT YOU HEAR THE STORIES ABOUT. RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES HERE IS THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU ALL CAN ENFORCE IN YOUR DAY, WE'LL HAVE STRONG DEED RESTRICTIONS WITH A STRONG HOA.

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OH, NO, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO CALL THE POLICE, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, THEY MAY CALL, BUT I MEAN, THE POINT IS THAT YOU'VE GOT THE HOA TO ENFORCE THE KIND OF STUFF THAT OF COURSE, OF THE NUISANCE TYPE STUFF.

RIGHT? YEAH.

BUT I THINK AND I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF THE ROADS THAT WE DO, WE DO END UP HIRING CONSTABLES AND HAVE THE MUD PAY FOR THEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

IT'S A GREAT IDEA. LET ME JUST GIVE YOU THE CAVEAT AND WITH THE COMMISSIONER HERE, SINCE WE'RE NEGOTIATING IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE PROBLEM I'VE GOT WITH THAT IS IN SIENA, WHICH IS WHERE I LIVE, WE PAY FOR TEN ADDITIONAL CONSTABLES, RIGHT? THE COUNTY DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY CONSTABLES OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT WE PAY FOR, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE ARE $5 BILLION OF ASSESSED VALUE.

RIGHT. SO THIS PROJECT WILL BE $800 MILLION OF VALUE THAT WILL GENERATE $3.2 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE COUNTY'S NOT GETTING TAX REVENUE WITH THESE PROJECTS.

RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A BALANCE BETWEEN YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE CONSTABLES AND SHERIFFS EVERYWHERE ELSE AND PAY FOR YOUR OWN.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE GET INTO WITH THOSE TYPES OF DEALS.

NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT.

BUT YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE TOO.

IF YOU WERE A MUNICIPALITY, YOU WOULD STILL I MEAN, WE PAY OUR COUNTY TAXES AND WE ALSO PAY OUR STATE TAXES TO HAVE OUR OWN POLICE FORCE 100%.

YEAH. SO IT'S THAT'S A GOOD POLICY ARGUMENT.

RIGHT. SMART.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT BRINGS US BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 11, ACTION ITEM.

COUNCIL.

HOLD ON. SO, JUDITH, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN.

IF NOTHING COMES OUT OF THIS, THEN WHAT'S THE WHAT HAPPENS BY OPERATION OF LAWS? TEN FOR. AND I WOULD LIKE ? IF I COULD MAYBE MAKE IT A BIT EASIER ON YOU GUYS.

YES, SIR. SO AS JUDITH MENTIONED, BECAUSE THE 30 DAYS HAVE PASSED BY OPERATION OF LAW, THE PLOT'S APPROVED.

RIGHT. BUT IF YOU ALL WILL APPROVE THE PLOT SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAD ON THE OTHER TWO.

RIGHT. WE'LL ACCEPT THE APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS.

NOT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

WE'RE IN THE SAME SPOT WE'RE IN WITH THE OTHER TWO PLOTS.

RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO GO DO THIS PLOT IN A SEPARATE DEAL.

SO JUST PUT ALL THE PLOTS ON THE SAME ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD.

RIGHT. AND WE'LL ACCEPT THAT NOTWITHSTANDING THE OPERATION OF LAW, HAVING APPROVED IT WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. MAYOR, TO KEEP US OUT OF ALL THAT.

I MOVED TO APPROVE THE ASHLAND SECTION TWO SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PLAT, SUBJECT TO RESOLVING ALL THE QUESTIONS.

WE'VE GOT THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT, ENGINEERING.

COMMENTS. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAN.

YES, SIR. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

HEARING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN? AYE. SO WE HAVE AYES ON THIS SIDE AND TWO NAYS ON THIS SIDE.

THAT'S A FOUR TO VOTE MOTION DOES CARRY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW THAT BRINGS US INTO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE POSTPONE THIS MEETING? I DON'T THINK YOU GET THE OBJECTION FROM THE TABLE.

WE'LL CATCH ON THE NEXT ONE.

WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

SO YOU NEED TO TAKE A MOTION TO.

ON THAT. OKAY, SO MAKE A MOTION.

SO CITY MANAGER MADE THE SUGGESTION, BUT SOMEBODY ON CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO POSTPONE IT.

VOTE ON THE MOTION, OK.

WE'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION TO POSTPONE THE.

EVALUATION APPOINTMENT OR EXECUTIVE SESSION ACTION UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

SECOND. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY SIGN MOTION CARRIES.

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THANKS, EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.