[00:00:02] >> GO AHEAD WE CALL THIS ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION, [DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER] ORDER AT 5:54 P.M. IF YOU HAVE A FORM, WE'RE SHORT A FEW MEMBERS [INAUDIBLE]. FIRST ITEM IS, THE PUBLIC HEARING, ARDEN DESIGNATION [1. Conduct a public hearing regarding designation of projects for the Angleton Better Living Corporation for fiscal year 2022-2023.] OF PROJECTS WITH ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION, FISCAL YEAR [INAUDIBLE] . FOUR MEMBERS, WE NEED MOTION, SECOND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. >> A MOTION THAT WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TODAY. >> I WILL SECOND. >> MOTION, SECOND ON PUBLIC HEARING FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS [INAUDIBLE] SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC HEARING. [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. >> [INAUDIBLE] ON FOR BEHALF OF THE SIGN. >> I'LL JUST MAKE AN ADMIN COMMENT, WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THIS IN THE PAST AND AS WE LOOK AT PRACTICES IN THE WAY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DO THIS. WELL, NEXT YEAR WON'T BE STRANGE BECAUSE WE'LL DONE ONCE. [LAUGHTER] >> ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS SIDE, LAST CHANCE. [INAUDIBLE] >> LIKE TO PROPOSE MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I'LL SECOND. >> CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC HEARING. >> JUST TO MIMIC WHAT CHRIS HAS SAID THAT PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING PROJECTS THAT ABLC WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN PRACTICE MOVING FORWARD IS BRINGING A LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, THERE JUST TO HOLD AT LEAST MINIMALLY ONE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL BRING SEVERAL ITEMS BACK TO YOU WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED. WE DO HAVE THREE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AND DISCUSS THIS EVENING. WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER LATER ON IN THIS YEAR, WHICH WE HAVE ADDED HERE. THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST. IF YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, AND SO A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING TO YOU HAVE TO DO WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN AND ACTION PLAN FOR THIS COMING YEAR AND SUBSEQUENT YEARS, AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST REVIEW ALL OF THESE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND HOPEFULLY ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'LL MENTION BEFORE, OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD IS THAT ABLC DID APPROVE DOWNING TENNIS COURT IMPROVEMENTS BACK IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, AND THEY ALSO APPROVE THE FREEDOM PARK PASSIVE PARK DESIGN DEVELOPMENT BACK AT THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING. THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE PROJECTS BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ONES TO CONSIDER. THE THIRD THAT WE'RE PRESENTING THIS EVENING HAS TO DO IS WE'RE REALLY JUST BACKED UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU TONIGHT, AND IF WE DO NOT RECEIVE AND APPROVE MOTION TO PURSUE THIS ITEM, WE WILL NOT PURSUE IT THIS YEAR. BUT WHAT THAT IS IS A TA GRANT WITH TEXT DOT TO PURSUE A NON-INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT FOR A TRAILS AND MULTI-MODAL MASTER PLAN. THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM THAT IS ON OUR PLAN FOR THIS YEAR, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO PURSUE THIS YEAR, FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET FUNDING, SO THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS A 20/80 MATCH, SO WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING FROM ABLC IS THE 20 PERCENT PERCENTAGE AND THE MINIMUM AMOUNT FOR NON-INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT, WHICH THIS IS PART OF THE ATTACHMENT IN YOUR PACKET, IS A MINIMUM OF $100,000, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABLC CONTRIBUTION OF 20,000 AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PROPOSALS WILL COME IN AT, BUT THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION FOR US TO PURSUE THAT, AND ABLC ALLOW FUNDING OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY PROJECT, FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. I'LL OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. SURE. >> MOVING TO REGULAR AGENDA AT NUMBER 2 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON DESIGNATION PROJECTS. [2. Discussion and possible action on designation of projects for the Angleton Better Living Corporation for fiscal year 2022-2023.] [INAUDIBLE]. [00:05:18] >> ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ADD, OR A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU'LL SEE THE BUDGETED AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CONTINGENCY LINE ITEM FOR EXPENDITURES, YOU'LL SEE A STRIKETHROUGH OF ITEM A AND THAT IS BECAUSE DOWNING TENNIS COURTS WAS ALREADY APPROVED, SO WHEN I TALK TO PHIL, FINANCE DIRECTOR ABOUT THIS, HE SAID THAT THAT WILL ALREADY BECOMING OUT OF APPROVED PROJECT FUNDS, OUR CURRENT FUND BALANCE FOR ABLC IS SITTING AT $215,355. >> WHEN I SAW THE EARLY THE STRIKEOUT, JUST LIKE JOHN WAS SAYING, I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT, SO WHAT I TOLD EVERYTHING UP TO 508, IT WASN'T INCLUDED, [INAUDIBLE] . >> RIGHT AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED IN LAST FISCAL YEAR, THE FREEDOM PASSIVE PARK AREA WAS APPROVED ON OCTOBER 3RD, SO THIS FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S WHY WE'RE INCLUDING IT IN THIS PROJECT FUND. >> THAT'S COOL. BOTH THE TENNIS COURTS AND THAT PROJECT WILL GO BEFORE COUNCIL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ONE OF THE UPCOMING COUNCIL MEETINGS THOSE MOVING FORWARD TROPHY. THEN ANOTHER EDITORIAL COMMENT TOO SALES TAX HAS BEEN DOING WELL, CONSISTENT, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT DURING BUDGET LAST YEAR, SO WE CAN SAY THE RULE OF THUMB IS, WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR IS WHAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR COMING UP, AS A PLANNING THOUGHT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OVERALL DOLLAR AMOUNTS. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY-FIVE. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, I WILL SAY AND HONESTLY, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT BALANCE AND THE PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED LAST YEAR. WE HAD SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED. BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR, WE WERE ESTIMATING A FUND BALANCE OF 800,000. THEN WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WE WHITTLE THAT DOWN AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT WAS THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND THEN WHERE WE ENDED AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THIS FUND BALANCE THAT WE HAVE IS LESS THAN WHAT WE STARTED WITH LAST YEAR FROM WHAT I RECALL. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN GO BACK AND WE CAN SEND YOU THE LATEST NUMBERS FROM THE OCTOBER MEETING. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. CORRECT. >> [INAUDIBLE] JUST STARTING OFF [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAID AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR WASN'T SOON ENOUGH FOR US TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET, BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO UPGRADE OUR CAMERAS AT THE REC CENTER, WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL SERVER SPACE. WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE ON A SERVER TO ALLOW US TO MAKE SOME OF THESE IMPROVED UPGRADES FOR SURVEILLANCE. WHAT ADDITIONALLY DID WE TALK ABOUT WITH? IT? WAS IT JUST STRICTLY FOR SURVEILLANCE? [BACKGROUND] WHEN WE WANT ADDITIONAL CAMERAS, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT DATA SPACE. WE DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON IS IT ANALOG? AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT, CAMERAS. >> [INAUDIBLE] CLOUD-BASED OR SERVER-BASED. >> WE HAD A RECENT DISCUSSION, [INAUDIBLE] MEETING ABOUT THAT IN INITIAL INDICATIONS ARE THE SERVER IS MUCH MORE COST-EFFICIENT THAN THE CLOUD-BASED, BUT WE'LL GET YOU SOME DATA ON THAT. >> EVERYTHING THAT HAS [INAUDIBLE] [00:10:09] >> OUR PLAN IS TO ADDRESSED IN THE NORMAL BUDGET TIME PERIOD. >> STORAGE [INAUDIBLE] >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT CURRENTLY WHERE WE'RE AT IS WE CAN'T GET ANY MORE THAN THAT, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. >> WE CAN'T ADD ANY MORE CAMERAS OR UPDATE SO WE HAD BUDGETED FOR CAMERAS, I THINK LAST FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CHANGE THEM [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA SPACE, THE STORAGE SPACE. REALLY FOR US SPECIFICALLY AT THE REC CENTER, IT'S THE CLARITY OF PICTURE CAMERA. I MEAN, WE WOULD REALLY PREFER TO GO TO DIGITAL. >> THERE'S STILL SOME MONEY LEFT OVER FROM THE CAMERAS FROM LAST YEAR. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S LEFTOVER MONEY FOR CAMERAS. WE DID PURCHASE THE CAMERAS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE STORAGE. >> WHICH MEANS WE HAVE CAMERAS, BUT WE CAN'T USE THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STORAGE. >> CORRECT. >> SEVENTEEN THOUSAND, DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? YOU GUYS CAN ADDRESS THAT LATER ON. >> AGAIN WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, THE ITEMS THAT ARE TRULY SENSITIVE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED, AND THEN ALSO THE ONE THAT HAS A DEADLINE, SO WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION DUE FOR THE TRAILS AND MULTI-MODAL MASTER PLAN. IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE US TO BRING BACK SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON EACH OF THESE OTHER ITEMS, WE WILL CERTAINLY BE DOING THAT THROUGHOUT THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE DECISIONS ON HOW YOU WANT THAT MONEY TO BE SPENT. >> THE GRANT IS SOMETHING THAT'S WAY UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE FOR THE GRANT. THAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR BIKE TRAILS. >> WHAT IT'LL DO IS PAY FOR A PLAN THAT OUTLINES WHERE THOSE. >> SHOULD GO. >> CORRECT. WE HAVE A HIKE AND BIKE, A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR PRIMARY GOALS AND WE MET WITH THEM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN AND THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE ALSO AGAIN, THIS IS ON OUR I THINK THE, ARE WE ON THE FOURTH YEAR? YES. WE'RE ON THE FOURTH YEAR OF OUR MASTERING STRATEGIC PLAN. THIS IS ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS FOR THIS YEAR. IT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE AND WE WERE SOUGHT OUT AGAIN BY TEXT DOT TO PURSUE THIS GRANT. AGAIN, IF ABLC DECIDES NOT TO PROVIDE THAT MUCH, WE WON'T PURSUE IT. WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING CURRENTLY TO PURSUE IT, BUT IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PAY FOR A PLAN THAT MAJORITY OF IT WOULD BE PAID BY TEXT DOT. >> IT MAY WOULD BE NICE AS ANYTHING KEEPS GROWING, BECOME VERY PROGRESSIVE WITH THE GROVE COMMON. I MEAN, JUST TO OFFER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, I THINK IT'D BE NEAT. >> ANOTHER THING THAT I SHOULD MENTION TOO IS TEXT DOT, THIS IS THE, I THINK ONE OF FIVE YEARS WHERE THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS COMING DOWN THROUGH TEXT DOT. THEY'RE ENCOURAGING US TO PURSUE THIS PLAN SO THAT IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, THE NEXT FOUR YEARS WE CAN APPLY FOR ADDITIONAL GRANTS THAT WILL PAY FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE. >> ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WITH THE HIKING AND BIKE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LINKING, FIGURING OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN LINK THE PARTS TOGETHER. SO ALL THE PARKS ARE INDIVIDUAL PARKS IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE'S NOT A REALLY GOOD WAY. THE MOVE THAT WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT WAS GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE TRAILS THAT WE CAN LINK THESE PLACES TOGETHER BECAUSE IF YOU COULD, THEN YOU CAN HAVE A WHOLE FAMILY COULD TAKE A DAY TRIP OF GOING FROM PARK TO PARK AND DOING THINGS WITH IT RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS IS LIKE PLANNING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EXACTLY COULD WE LEAD, PUT THESE TRAILS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THESE LINKED PARTS TOGETHER. >> IT'S MEANT TO BE MULTIMODAL SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST WALKING, BUT BIKING. THERE COULD BE OTHER MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION. >> I SAID WE ARE GOING FOR THE 20,000, BECAUSE THE MINIMUM IS 100,000, SO 20 PERCENT IS COUPLED AT 20,000. >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S THE SMALLEST AMOUNT THAT WE CAN EVEN PUT UP. >> CORRECT. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE CAN GET THIS GRANT TEXT DOT PAYS FOR THE REST OF THE. >> CORRECT. THEY PAY FOR 80. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> CORRECT. >> IT'S ONLY FOR THE PLANS. [OVERLAPPING] >> RIGHT. THAT'S NOT THE DESIGN. >> THE AMPLIFICATION OF THE WHOLE. >> IT'S NOT ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS A NON-INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT. [BACKGROUND] >> AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT IT'S, WE SPENT THE MONEY FOR IT. >> IT'D BE NICE IF THEY GAVE UP FUNDING. >> BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU AT LEAST [INAUDIBLE] GRANT FOR THE PLAN, WHEN THEY DO MAKE FUNDS AVAILABLE LATER, YOU ALREADY HAVE A HEAD START ON HOW TO GET THINGS DONE. >> RIGHT, THEY DO WANT TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. [00:15:03] SO WHEN YOU, YOU JUST WHAT WE WERE TOLD DURING A WORKSHOP, TEXT DOT WORKSHOP, BECAUSE THEY HAVE, AGAIN IN YOUR PACKET YOU'LL SEE THE MULTITUDE. THERE'S LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DIFFERENT GRANTS AND THE NUMBER, THE PRICE DOLLAR ATTACHED TO THOSE. SO THEY WILL GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL POINTS IN THEIR RANKING CRITERIA. IF YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE WHEN YOU MOVE TO THAT NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. >> SO, THIS MAY SOUND ODD, BUT I GUESS WITH A 20,000, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, DUE AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION FOR THE GRANT? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT, THE CITY IS SOMEHOW THAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO PAY FOR THAT PORTION. SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION. WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE THEY'RE GOING TO ACCEPT OUR APPLICATION. IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. WE STILL HAVE A GRANT APPLICATION. THE ACTUAL APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE TO FILL OUT AND THAT IS DUE, I THINK SOMETIME IN JUNE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE, BUT YES. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO AND SOME TIME IT MAY NOT EVEN BE UNTIL NEXT FISCAL YEAR WHEN THE ACTUAL DOLLARS ARE DUE FOR THE MATCH IF WE'RE EVEN AWARDED. >> BY APPLYING WHEN WE PUT THE $20,000 UP AND IF THEY ACCEPT THE APPLICATION AND GRANT US TOURS, DO WE HAVE TO RECEIVE THE GRANT? CAN WE SAY NO? >> GREAT QUESTION, WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE GRANT. >> OKAY. >> IS THIS SOMETHING MOST CITIES DO? >> DO MOST CITIES HAVE A TRAILS MASTER PLAN OR DO MOST CITIES [OVERLAPPING]. >> WITH TEXT DOT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT MOST CITIES DO TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE? >> RIGHT, I WOULD SAY YES AND JUST TAKE FOR INSTANCE, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN. WE HAVE THAT PLAN IN PLACE. IT'S A 10-YEAR PLAN, AND SO IT'S VERY COMMON FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO CREATE A PLAN THAT GIVES THEM BASICALLY ACTION STEPS ON WHAT THEY NEED TO COMPLETE, WHEN, WHAT, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY BASED ON A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO IN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, IT WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO, BUT TRAILS WAS ONE OF THE TOP THREE, IF NOT THE TOP ITEM THAT OUR RESIDENTS WERE REQUESTING. >> LET'S SAY WE GOT 20,000 [INAUDIBLE] WHY WOULD TEXT DOT FUND [INAUDIBLE] >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN WE GET TO DEVELOP WHAT THAT SCOPE IS. THEY CAN REJECT OUR APPLICATION BASED ON THE SCOPE THAT WE PLAN TO PUT OUT. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE NON-INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS THAT THEY HAVE TO DISPERSE. THAT'S TO OUR BENEFIT I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE BENEFIT FOR CONTRIBUTING 20% IS THAT WE GET TO MASTER PLAN THE TRAILS AND MULTI-MODAL NETWORK THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN JUST TEXT DOT RIGHT AWAY. >> WE WOULD PROBABLY IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR SUPPORT IN SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT. BECAUSE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AT LEAST A NAIL TO IT. IT'D BE HARD TO AVOID STUFF THAT THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE TEXT DOT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF, SO TO SPEAK. LET'S SAY THIS THING THAT WE CREATE, IT GOES THROUGH 35. COULDN'T DO ANYTHING THERE WITHOUT THEM. THEY'D HAVE TO BE ALONGSIDE WITH US AT SOME LEVEL. [BACKGROUND] RIGHT. WE'D HAVE TO FALL THROUGH THEM. YEAH. >> YEAH. MAYBE NOT. TWO, IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS AN ACTION PLAN, I WILL SAY FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, IT'S EASIER FOR US TO COMPLETE THE ACTION ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THE LEAST RESISTANCE. >> YEAH. >> SO THOSE TEXT DOT ITEMS MAY BE SOME CONNECTORS, BUT WE WOULD COLLABORATE WITH THEM TO ACHIEVE THOSE TRULY AND POTENTIALLY, THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING FUNDING THROUGH THESE CONTINUED GRANTS. AND SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT TO US BECAUSE WE COULD BE KNOCKING OUT SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS, WITHOUT HAVING TO ENGAGE ADDITIONAL GROUPS ON OUR OWN INDEPENDENTLY. ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER, AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP PROBABLY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH GUNDA CORP BUT THEY TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON HERE, HAVING A TRAILS MASTER PLAN. IF WE HAVE TRAILS OR MULTI-MODAL PLAN THAT IS DESIGNATED [00:20:02] ADJACENT TO A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND WE CAN ASK THE DEVELOPER TO INSTALL IT FOR US. IT ALLOWS US TO, GIVES US A LITTLE MORE LEVERAGE WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO PARTNER WITH US. >> SURE. I KNOW FROM TALKING ABOUT GRANTS WITH OTHER GROUPS I'M PART OF, THE GRANT COMES WITH CONDITIONS. >> SURE. >> YOU HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE TO DO. USUALLY, NORMAL STUFF, BUT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING WE MAY NOT WANT THEM TELLING US EVERYTHING TO DO. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT IT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY NO. >> WITHDRAW. >> EVEN IF WE DO, IT DOES COST US 20,000. THEY WILL GET A PLAN AND WE CAN DO IT. [INAUDIBLE] >> THAT'S A GREAT POINT. >> BUT GRANTS DO COME WITH CONDITIONS. USUALLY IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GOT TO CHECK THIS AND CHECK THAT. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH IT. AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, I THINK THEY'RE OKAY. THEN MAYBE IT'LL HELP US LATER IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE DO WANT TO. DO NEED TO SPEND SOME MONEY AND MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE SOME GRANT MONEY BILL. I KNOW [INAUDIBLE] YOU ALL HAVE A PLAN WITH US ALL. IT USUALLY HELPS. >> WHAT'S THE DEADLINE ON THIS GRANT? >> THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION DEADLINE IS JANUARY 27TH. THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO GET THIS PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS QUICKLY. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION STILL BEFORE WE SUBMIT THE FINAL, WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS. WE JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE'RE PURSUING THIS PRELIMINARY APPLICATION. >> YEAH, LIKE JOHNNY WAS SAYING, GRANTS DON'T COME WITH CERTAIN STIPULATIONS, I AGREE. I THINK IT WILL BE NICE TO JUST GET SOMETHING IN MOTION. >> TO GET SOMETHING GOING. >> YEAH. >> WE HAVE TWO GRANTS WE'RE SUBMITTING ON THAT SAME TIMELINE. ONE IS THE TEXT DOT TA GRANT, WHICH IS THE SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN. IT'S 80/20 MATCH AND THE OTHER IS THE CONNECTOR SIDEWALKS THAT GO OUT TO YOU, FRONT STREET, EAST AND WEST. WE SUBMITTED PRELIMINARY APPS FOR THAT ONE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING, TEXT DOT COME BACK AND SAID THAT THAT ONE, THEY'RE GOING TO FUND THE MATCH. IT'S 100 PERCENT FUNDED ON. FOLLOW THE ROLES AND SUBMITTED THE PRELIMINARY APP TO FUND OUT THE DOWNTOWN ONE, ITS MAIN DOLLARS IS A CITY MATCH, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FUND THAT, BUT THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR THAT ROUTE OR NOT, AND SO WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPTION PERIOD. >> THEY'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS, AREN'T THEY? >> WELL, THEY'RE FLUSH RIGHT NOW WITH MONEY. >> YEAH [LAUGHTER]. >> THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR PROJECTS. >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S WHY THEY FUND [INAUDIBLE] 100 PERCENT. >> THEY HAD TO DO SO WITH THE MONEY TOO THAT SURELY DID SO WITH IT. >> THE ONLY TWO CAUTIONS THAT I THROW OUT THERE IS ONE, EVERY TIME IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE GONE OUT FOR A GRANT AND WE DID NOT DO ANY ACTION IMMEDIATELY, WE ENDED UP SUBMITTING LATER AND SPENDING MORE MONEY TO UPDATE THE GRANT A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SPEND THE MONEY OR WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION AND THEN PLANS CHANGED, SO WE HAD TO DO A NEW PLAN. WHAT I'M CAUTIONING IS, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD, BE PREPARED THAT WE'RE LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE ACTION AND SPEND MONEY. AND THAT GOES WITH PART TWO IS THE ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN BAD ABOUT IT I FEEL LIKE FROM AN ABLC STANDPOINT IS, WE HAVE GOALS AND ACTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE AND WE KEEP MOVING OFF TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT TO DO OTHER THINGS AND NOT FOCUSING ON PRIORITIES OF, WE HAVE ABIGAIL AREAS, PARKING FACILITIES TO BE COMPLETED. WE HAVE FREEDOM PARK THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED, THE BIG THINGS. AND HOW DO WE FUND THAT? IF WE GO OVER HERE AND START WORKING ON THIS, AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE WE ARE STRAPPED AND LIMITED ON FUNDS. JUST THROWING THOSE OUT THERE AS CAUTIONARY ITEMS. BUT IF WE WANT TO SPEND 20,000 TO GET A PLAN, BUT I'M FINE WITH THAT. >> TEXT DOT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE WORK IN WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE GRANT TO HELP US FORMULATE A PLAN, BUT TO ACTUALLY PUT SOMETHING IN ACTION, SO THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PIPELINE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT WITH RESOURCES OR GRANT MONEY LATER ON THEN? >> YES, THEY WILL. THAT'S WHAT CHRIS WAS REFERRING TO. THEY HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY RIGHT NOW AND THEY WILL FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. >> EVEN BEYOND THIS? >> CORRECT, SO THE ATTACHMENT THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET IS [00:25:03] WHAT YOU'LL SEE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING THIS YEAR. >> LIKE JOHN SAID, IT STILL COULD BE AN 80/20 MATCH. >> RIGHT. >> YOU'RE NOT SPENDING MONEY? >> RIGHT. >> WE'RE NOT SPENDING IN ORDER TO GET IN THERE. >> THAT'S MONEY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT ON ANOTHER PROJECT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? >> THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WASTE IT, AND IT'S A VIABLE [INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. THAT MONEY WOULDN'T COME OUT TO ABLC ANYWAYS, THOUGH THAT WILL COME OUT, I GUESS, CITY JOURNAL PHONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> REALLY THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE PLEASURE OF ABLC AND CITY COUNCIL. >> YEAH, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO SOLVE WITH THE COUNCIL. >> IF ABLC GOES OUT FOR A GRANT TO DO THIS, THEN ABLC IS ON THE HOOK TO FUND IT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THE GENERAL FUND REALLY HAS VERY LITTLE ABILITY TO FUND ANY OF THESE PROJECTS. >> WELL, JOHN YOU SAID, FREEDOM PARK NORTH, THEN ABIGAIL PARK, TO ME, HIGHER PRIORITIES THAT THE CITY I THINK WOULD WANT TO GRASP ONTO TO SPEND IN OTHER PROGRAMS. >> MORE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR REC CENTER. >> AGAIN, LIKE JOHN MENTIONED, WHAT WE NEED TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO IS THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN WHICH, WHILE EXPANSION OF THE REC CENTER IS ON THERE, AND FREEDOM PARK IS ON THERE. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PLAN, SO WE HAVE SHORT-TERM, MID-TERM, LONG-TERM GOALS. ONE OF THE ITEMS, LIKE I MENTIONED, THAT IS ON THIS YEAR'S ACTION PLAN IS GETTING A TRAILS MASTER PLAN IN PLACE. BUT YOU CAN'T FORGET THAT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE, YOU GOT TO MOVE THAT ACTION PLAN FORWARD. IT'S JUST A CATALYST FOR ADDITIONAL PLANNING AND FUNDING. >> IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SALE. THIS IS LIKE 80 PERCENT OFF. >> YES. >> MAYBE YOU GO SOME PLACE, [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE NOT REALLY IN THE MARKET FOR IT, BUT IT LOOKS VERY ATTRACTIVE. BE LIKE I DIDN'T WANT TO BUY A TRAIL, BUT GOODNESS GRACIOUS I ONLY SPEND. [OVERLAPPING] >> EIGHTY PERCENT OFF, THAT AIN'T A BAD DEAL. >> BUT WHAT I WILL SAY AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPORTANCE THAT HAS BEEN CONVEYED TO US BY OUR RESIDENCE IN THE MASTER PLAN, TRAILS WAS IN THE TOP THREE, IF NOT THE TOP ITEM THAT WAS LISTED IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. KEEPING IN PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO FUND SOME OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. IT COULD BE, AGAIN, DEVELOPERS OR PARTNERS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ASK, HEY, WE'D LOVE TO PARTNER WITH YOU, BUT WOULD YOU GIVE US THIS? COULD YOU BUILD ANOTHER 10 FEET ONTO OUR TRAIL OR COULD YOU CONNECT THIS? SAME THING WITH SOME OF OUR ADA PLANS. WE'VE GOT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'VE GOT TO IMPROVE. WELL, IF WE DO THAT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S KILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. MAYBE THIS SIDEWALK CONNECTOR IS PART OF THAT TRAILS MASTER PLAN. WE'VE GOT TO THINK OF IT IN WHOLE, ALL OF THOSE PLANS TOGETHER AND HOW WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT. WE COULD BE ACHIEVING SEVERAL GOALS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY WITH SOME FUNDS. >> YOU SAID SIDEWALK CONNECTOR. [LAUGHTER] OKAY. >> WE CAN ALSO ADD THAT TO A LATER AGENDA IF YOU LIKE. [LAUGHTER] >> [OVERLAPPING] SIDEWALK CONNECTING. >> WELL IT'S A PARK THING. IT'S A LAKESIDE PARK. SIDEWALK CONNECTOR, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE ACCESSIBILITY ALL OVER THE PARKS FROM NEIGHBORHOODS WITH US. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> YEAH. >> I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. [OVERLAPPING] THAT WAS A GOOD ONE. >> WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER DATE. >> [LAUGHTER] YES. >> WELL, BOARD, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE ACTION AT THIS TIME? LET ME JUST ASK THIS, THE 508,000, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE FUNDING AVAILABILITY FOR? >> AGAIN, THE BUDGETED AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CONTINGENCY FUNDS FOR ABLC. [OVERLAPPING] >> WAS 160? >> CORRECT. >> IF WE APPROVE THE 20,000 PLUS THE 64, WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH IT BASICALLY? >> YEAH. >> CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A HIGHLIGHT REAL QUICK OF D AND E? >> OF D AND E, YES. RECREATION CENTER IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE AEROBICS ROOM. WHEN WE MET IN OCTOBER, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGHOUT THE RECREATION CENTER. SOME OF THE HIGH-RANKING ITEMS WERE LIGHTING, WHICH WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE ADDRESSED THROUGH ANOTHER PLAN AND I CAN'T, I'M SORRY, CHRIS, REMEMBER WHO WAS HIRED FOR THAT? I THINK SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC TO COME IN AND DO AN INVENTORY AND HELP US WITH THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND IS NOT ONLY LIGHTING BUT LOCKER ROOMS WAS AN ISSUE, AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OTHER ITEM. BUT WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT IT WAS SO SPREAD THROUGHOUT [00:30:04] THE FACILITY THAT IF WE DECIDED TO COMPLETELY REHAB THE LOCKER ROOMS, LET'S SAY, WELL, THAT FLOORING FLOWS INTO THE HALLWAY AND IMPACTS THE HALLWAY, AND IF WE ADDRESSED ONE AREA AND NOT ALL OF IT AT THE SAME TIME, THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE PATCHING AS WE GO. THE RECOMMENDATION IN OCTOBER WAS THAT WE FOCUSED ON AREAS THAT WE COULD EXCLUDE FROM OTHERS, AND THE DIRECTION AT THAT TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE AEROBICS ROOM. WE COULD KNOCK OUT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AEROBICS ROOM AS IT RELATED TO FLOORING, PAINT, THE WINDOW COVERINGS THAT ARE NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY, THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK AV, WHAT ELSE WAS ON THERE? I THINK WE DID HAVE LIGHTING ACTUALLY IN THAT ONE ALSO. >> WHAT YOU'RE CALLING THE AEROBICS ROOM, THAT'S WHERE THE MEETINGS TAKES PLACE? [OVERLAPPING]. >> THE MULTIPURPOSE RENTAL SPACE, THE REVENUE GENERATORS FOR US THAT PEOPLE SEE FREQUENTLY, IT'S WHERE OUR SENIORS HOLD THEIR ACTIONS, MEALS ARE HELD THERE, SENIOR PROGRAMMINGS HELD THERE, SUMMER CAMP. IT GETS A GREAT DEAL OF USE AND A DIVERSITY OF USE, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE HIT ON FIRST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT FOUR JOINTS, SO IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT FLOORING THAN THE HALLWAY AND WE CAN ISOLATE IT. WE COULD REHAB THAT AREA AND THEN START WORKING OUR WAY AS WE DETERMINE HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAD ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IN OUR CONTINGENCY FUND FOR SOME OF THOSE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. >> THE ONE THING I HEAR THE MOST IS THE LOCKER ROOMS. >> RIGHT. >> I FEEL LIKE THIS IS IMPORTANT TOO, BUT THE ONE THING IS GETTING THE LOCKER ROOMS ADDRESSED, AND WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO DO THAT, AND YOU'D HAVE TO SHUT DOWN FOR LONGER, WHAT'S THIS TOPIC? [OVERLAPPING] >> IT IS FUNDING, I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE JUST FOR. JUST TWO WE'VE GOT ADA ISSUES IN THERE AS IT RELATES TO OUR STALLS, AND ALL OF THAT SPACE IS TILED WALLS AND FLOORING. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, PLUMBING, THE SHOWERS, ALL OF THE LOCKERS, HALF OF THOSE LOCKERS AREN'T EVEN UTILIZED, IF NOT MORE THAN HALF. REALLY REDESIGNING THAT WHOLE SPACE, IT IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED IN OUR CONTINGENCY THIS YEAR TO ADDRESS THAT ENTIRELY. THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOOR SPACE THAT MOVES INTO THE HALLWAY. IF WE WERE TO ADDRESS THE LOCKER ROOM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADDRESS ALL HALLWAY FLOORING AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT YOU HAVE CONTINUITY GOING IN AS YOU ENTER INTO THE FACILITY AND GOING INTO THE RESTROOM. >> YOU CAN'T DO THE FLOOR THIS YEAR AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S GOT TO GO. >> RIGHT. >> AND AGAIN, I KNOW DR. JACKSON, YOU DID MENTION CONNECTIVITY. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY ON THIS LIST THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED ON THIS LIST. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE KNOW ARE PRESSING. BUT IF YOU AS A BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS, WE CAN ADD THAT TOO, HERE, GET SOME COST ESTIMATES AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE. ONE OF THE THINGS, I THINK WE HAD ADAG, FOR INSTANCE. WE JUST ADOPTED THE FIRST PHASE OF THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN. WELL, IT'S A FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND IT'S ABOUT $200,000 EVERY YEAR, IS HOW IT BROKE OUT INTO AN ACTION PLAN. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AS WELL. SOME OF THAT WILL ADDRESS CONNECTIVITY, ACCESSIBILITY, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SOME WE'RE ABLE TO PURSUE REGARDLESS, JUST WITH OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET IF THEY'RE LOW DOLLAR AMOUNTS. SOME OF THEM ARE MINIMAL, LIKE REARRANGING WEIGHT ROOM EQUIPMENT. WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT THAT DESIGN LOOKS LIKE. BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER, LET US KNOW, WE CAN START DOING SOME RESEARCH. >> CAN YOU GIVE US A HIGHLIGHT OF H? >> SURE. >> WHAT THAT 100,000 IS MEANT FOR. >> ON THIS ONE, WE JUST TOOK FROM WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SO THAT YOU HAD A BLANKET COVERAGE. WE HAVE ITEMS, MAINTENANCE ISSUES THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS SLOWLY BUT STEADILY WITH OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET. THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE THAT IS BEYOND OUR CURRENT OPERATIONAL BUDGET THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE ESTIMATE OF $100,000 IN THERE. ANY OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE HAVEN'T LISTED AS ACTION ITEMS TONIGHT, WE WOULD COME BACK AND GIVE YOU A MORE FIRM NUMBER. THESE ARE JUST THE ESTIMATES. >> SO WE JUST HAD AN ASSESSMENT ON OUR HVAC ACROSS THE CITY. I THINK I'VE PROVIDED YOU ALL THAT FOR COUNCIL AND MAYOR. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE REC CENTER, [00:35:03] THERE'S A BIG PILLAR THAT'S COMING IN 2026, 2027, WHERE A LOT OF THOSE UNITS ARE COMING OUT OF THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY. HOW DO WE GET AT THAT AND LEVEL IT OUT SO IT'S SPREAD OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS SO THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING THIS BIG MOUNTAIN THAT WE HAVE TO CLIMB EVERY SO OFTEN. WE'VE GOT THOSE THINGS AND WE HAVE NO CONTROLS OVER THERE. SOME OF THAT WILL GET ADDRESSED WITH THE SCHNEIDER PIECE. BUT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A FUNDING STREAM, AND SOME OF THAT WILL BE ENERGY AND OPERATION MAINTENANCE TO ADDRESS THOSE. >> ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT ABLC IS WE'VE BEEN VERY, I GUESS, HESITANT TO SPEND WHEN WE HAD TWO THAT WAY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WHEN OTHER SMALLER ITEMS CAME UP, WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE. IF WE COMMIT TO ALL 160 AND START SPENDING THE MONEY, THEN SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT MONEY. I KNOW COMMITTING TO THE 20,064 THAT GIVES US HALF REMAINS OF ABOUT 80,000 LEFT THAT I THINK YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON MANY OTHER ITEMS RIGHT NOW THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. I HATE TO TAKE ANY OF THAT RIGHT NOW. IT'S ALMOST A CONTINGENCY OF THE CONTINGENT. REALLY, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE CONTINGENCY AS GIVING EARMARK FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS. I DO AGREE WITH ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS, DR. JACKSON, ABOUT CONNECTIVITY TO THE PARKS. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SPEND THAT MONEY AND IT'S A SMALLER AMOUNT. I THINK IT'LL HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT. REALLY, START THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAS THE BIGGEST IMPACT FOR THE CITIZENS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY NEEDS AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE NEEDS JUST WHERE WE START. >> ONE THING THAT I SHOULD MENTION TOO IS THAT THE BURDEN DOESN'T COMPLETELY FALL ON ABLC, WHILE WE'LL BRING SOME OF THESE ITEMS TO DISCUSS. WE ALSO HAVE PARKLAND DEDICATION, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST. WE HAVE AROUND 120,000 CURRENTLY. HOPEFULLY, THAT CONTINUES TO GROW AS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES. BUT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY DWINDLE TOO, SO WE NEED TO BE SMART ABOUT HOW WE'RE SPENDING THAT. >> SURE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> I THINK OUR BIGGEST DECISION TONIGHT IS THE TEXT DOT, I GUESS, BECAUSE OF THE DEADLINE OF JANUARY 27TH. >> AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE PRELIMINARY APPLICATION. WE COULD SUBMIT THAT, AND THEN IF WE FIND THAT THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OR IMPLEMENTATION REQUIREMENTS, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS AS AN UPDATED REPORT BEFORE WE SUBMIT OUR FINAL APPLICATION AND BEFORE WE PULL THE TRIGGER. WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT. AGAIN, I DO THINK THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET AWARDED, I BELIEVE WE WOULDN'T EVEN GET AWARD UNTIL OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. WE'D ALREADY BE GOING INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DEDICATE THESE FUNDS. >> SOUNDS LIKE, FROM THE BOARD, IF WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO IS MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEMS B AND C, THEN PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION TO SAY APPROVAL OF PROJECT B AND C. >> IF YOU WOULD INCLUDE A ALSO JUST FOR PUBLIC HEARING SAKE. >> THE RECOMMENDATION DID NOT PUT ANYONE ON THE SPOT. THE TRUE RECOMMENDATION IS, OF COURSE, THE FREEDOM PARK PASSIVE AREA TO BE COMPLETED, AND ALSO FOR THE TEXT DOT. BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE THESE DECISION, BUT YOU GUYS ARE THE PROFESSIONALS. WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT SHOULD BE DONE? JUST LOOK AT THE OUTLOOK OF THE CITY AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I THINK BY SPENDING $20,000, THE QUESTION IS WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE BUYER'S REMORSE. >> SURE. >> WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND A 20,000. LIKE JOHN SAID, WE LOOK UP AND THEN WE HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY WHEN IT COMES OUT. SO I JUST WANT MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE BUYER'S REMORSE, ANY REGRET, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GROWTH BUT NOT THE EXPENSE OF FUNDS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE. >> HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT PLAN WOULD LAST IF WE GOT THE PLAN AND WE WERE APPROVED FOR IT? >> I WOULD TREAT IT MUCH LIKE A MASTER PLAN. TYPICALLY, FOR US, LIKE A PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN, THAT'S A 10-YEAR PLAN. YOU TYPICALLY UPDATE IT FIVE BECAUSE YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS CHANGED. [00:40:01] BY THE TIME YOU GET TO FIVE YEARS IN, YOU'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR 6-10 YEARS IS REALLY STILL RELEVANT. YOU TYPICALLY GET A MASTER PLAN UPDATE AT THAT TIME. >> WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE YEARS FROM NEXT YEAR? THAT GIVES YOU ANY COMFORT LEVEL. >> ALSO A 5-YEAR IS TO MAKE? >> FUNDING AND PROBABLY IT'LL BE THERE IN 5-10 YEARS. >> WELL, AND AGAIN TOO, I JUST CAN'T EXPRESS ENOUGH THAT US BEING IN THE MIDST OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A PLAN TO PEOPLE THAT IS IN WRITING THAT SAYS, HERE'S HOW YOU CAN HELP CONTRIBUTE TO OUR PARK SYSTEM OR OUR TRAIL SYSTEM OR WHAT HAVE YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO MOTION SOMETHING IS FOR A, B, AND C? >> CORRECT. >> FOR APPROVAL OF A, B, AND C. >> IF THAT'S WHAT YOU AND YOUR MOTION WANT TO APPROVE. [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. >> I UNDERSTAND. [NOISE] >> I FEEL AS IF THIS C IS ALMOST ONE OF THESE THINGS WE'RE LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT IT DOES FEEL LIKE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF WE COULD GET A GOOD GRANT FROM TEXT DOT. IT COULD HELP US OUT. WITHOUT IT, I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT NOT NECESSARILY BEHIND BEHIND, BUT MAYBE A STEP BACK THAN WE WOULD LIKE TO BE WITHOUT IT. >> IT'S ALMOST IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SALE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IT'S LIKE [LAUGHTER] WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE BUYING. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU'RE RIGHT. IF THEY WERE SAYING 50/50, WE'D BE LIKE, "I DON'T KNOW, 80/20?" >> IF IT WERE THE OTHER WAY AROUND, IF IT WAS 80/20, NOT 20/80, I THINK IT'D BE A DONE DEAL [OVERLAPPING]. WE LIKE THAT SO THAT'S IT. >> SPEND 100,000 AND GET IT FOR 20. THAT'S THE DEAL AT THE STORE RIGHT NOW. >> THERE'S NO GUARANTEES. PARKS AND WILDLIFE, TEXT DOT, EVERY YEAR THEY CHANGE WHAT THE FLAVOR OF THE GRANT IS, BASED ON WHAT THEY THINK THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH OR WHATEVER. FIXED PARKS AND WILDLIFE, ONE MINUTE SPLASH PADS ARE ALL THE RAGE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LIKE TO SEE. THE NEXT MINUTE IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. SAME THING WITH THE SIDEWALK STUFF. THEY'VE GOT GOALS, DESIGN BRANDS. >> BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT BEING SO WHEN DID WE FIRST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR GRANT? WE'RE TALKING. >> I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BECAUSE I THINK EACH ORGANIZATION IS ABLE TO APPLY OR SUBMIT THREE APPLICATIONS. ORIGINALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE CITY STARTED THEIR NON-INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT WAS GOING TO BE REVOLVED AROUND ADA COMPLIANCE. WHEN I WENT TO THE WORKSHOP, I THINK WHICH WAS IN, I DON'T KNOW, END OF OCTOBER, MAYBE NOVEMBER. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T AS CONCERNED WITH ADA BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO, AN IMPLEMENTATION. THEY REALLY HARD FUN PUTTING AN ACTUAL TRAILS MASTER PLAN OR MULTI-MODAL. THEY CALL IT MULTI-MODAL PLAN BECAUSE THE TEXT DOT IS ALL ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET NOT JUST VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, THAT WHAT ARE OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET PEOPLE TO THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS? THEY'RE LOOKING AT WALKING PATHS, CYCLING LANES, MULTI-MODAL PATH THAT CAN HANDLE BOTH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS PLAN. I WOULD SAY LATE THIS FALL, WHICH IS WHY WE CONSIDERED HAVING AN ABLC MEETING IN DECEMBER, BUT IT WAS THE 19TH OF DECEMBER AND TRYING TO GET YOU ALL THEN RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, WE WEREN'T SURE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. >> THEY'RE COMMIT A LOT OF MONEY AND LET'S JUST SAY IT'S 50 MILLION DOLLARS, AND SO THOUGH RACK AND STACK ALL THE APPLICATIONS BASED ON WHAT THEIR CRITERIA IS. BUT JUST LIKE THE TEXT DOT SIDEWALK GRANT WE APPLIED FOR LAST YEAR, DIDN'T GET IT. IT TAKES OUT A TOLL WAS LIKE, HEY, YOU GUYS NEED TO REAPPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE MEETING THE SWEET SPOT. YOU PLOT FOR, YOU ABOUT THAT MONEY, WE GOT A NEW [INAUDIBLE]. WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT. THIS WAY THE CRITERIA AND SO IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S A CRAPSHOOT SO YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO RAG UNTIL THE RESULTS COME OUT AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FUND. [00:45:01] THEN IF THEY GET IN, THEY RUN OUT AND THEY CONTINUE THE PROGRAM. THEN NEXT YEAR THOUGH, FEWER, NUMBER 25 AND THEY FEEL 1 THROUGH 24 AND NOW YOU'RE NUMBER 1. YOU'LL GET FUNDED. >> THE MORE I SIT HERE, THE MORE COMFORTABLE I GET WITH A 20,000. I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF RESERVATIONS ABOUT PRIORITIZATION GOING FORWARD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE SPEND THE 20,000 WE GET THE PLAN. IT KEEPS US PROBABLY TO 2028, 2029. FUNDING CAN PROBABLY COME IN LATER THROUGH EITHER FUTURE TEXT DOT GRANTS OR THROUGH OURSELVES WHENEVER WE HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE, WHICH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE DEBT SERVICE DROPS WAY DOWN. >> YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEBTS [OVERLAPPING] PARKLAND'S DEDICATION, PARTNERSHIPS WITH DEVELOPERS, ADDITIONAL GRANTS ON TOP OF THAT WITH TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES WE CAN LOOK AT. >> I HAD TO COME AROUND, BUT I CAME AROUND SLOWLY THROUGH THIS MEETING. >> WAS GOING TO REWARD YOU DOWN. >> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] >> I BECAME MORE EDUCATED AS WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT IT. THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, THE BETTER OFF WE'D PROBABLY BE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH GEARS AND GO DOWN TO FUND ALL THIS BUT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS PLAN IN PLACE. IT'S THERE. AS LONG AS WE DON'T LET SOMETHING SIT SHELF LIFE OF 10 YEARS AND WE HAVE TO SPEND ANOTHER 100,000 TO DO A NEW STUDY. THAT'S ALWAYS THE THING THAT DRIVES ME CRAZY. >> THE ONLY THING THAT WAS SUPPOSE WHAT, JANUARY 28TH, THEY COME UP WITH A BETTER SALE. IT'S 90 PERCENT [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> THAT MAYBE A GOOD POINT. IF THERE IS A GRANT THAT COMES OUT THAT REALLY FAVORS FREEDOM PARK, WHAT DO YOU THINK WERE GOING TO DO, ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GO OFF TO THAT? >> WELL, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T SPEND THE REST OF THIS AND WE HAVE IT READY TO GO IF WE NEED IT. >> WE SPENT THE 60 SOMETHING AND JUST HOLD UP FROM THE OTHERS. >> LET'S NOT COMMIT TO ALL OF IT RIGHT NOW, JUST TO GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IF SALES TAX CONTINUES TO GO UP, THEN WE HAVE MORE TO SPEND TOWARDS THE END AND ADDRESS. THEN IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CUT BACK WHERE WE NEED TO. WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF SALES TAX SELLERS. >> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >> I WAS LOOKING OVER AT JAIME. HE LOOKS URGENTLY READY TO MAKE THAT MOTION. >> I WASN'T, YOU KNOW WHAT? I LIKE BEING THE GUY OF THE SECONDS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THAT'S MY, I'VE A LANE. THAT'S MY LANE RIGHT THERE, BUDDY. GO AHEAD. >> IS IT UP TO ME THEN? SHOULD I JUST READ THE SUGGESTION. >> YES. >> I MEAN WE APPROVE FUNDING TO REHABILITATE ANGLE TENACITY TENNIS COURTS ON DOWNING STREET TO BE PAID AT A ABLC FUND BALANCE, PURSUE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT FOR FREEDOM PARK PASSIVE AREA TO BE COMPLETED BY VERDICT CONSULTANTS, AND PURSUE A TEXT DOT TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATE GRANT IN PROJECT CATEGORY, ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, NON-UNSTRUCTURED FOR MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN? >> YES. MAY I APOLOGIZE, I WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY NON-INFRASTRUCTURE. >> NON-INFRASTRUCTURE. I LOVE THESE WORDS. FOR MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN. >> THANK YOU. >> I'LL SECOND. [LAUGHTER] >> A MOTION AND I SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF PROJECTS A, B, AND C, AS STATED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION CARRIES. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE DOWN TO ADJOURNMENT. SEEING THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION FROM THIS GROUP, WE WILL STAND ADJOURNED AT 6:43. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.