May 09, 2023 City Council

>> CORRECT. WHAT DO OTHER CITIES AROUND US HAVE RIGHT NOW?

>> I DID NOT LOOK AND SEE. I SHOULD HAVE.

>> THEN I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION.

WHY ARE THEY SET PICKY THOUSAND, 75,000, 100,000? ARE THERE OTHER ALTERNATIVES? DO YOU HAVE TO GO ON THAT AND THAT SPACING?

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THAT SPACE.

>> INCREASE IT TO 60,000 OR 50,000?

>> YES SIR.

>> CERTAIN IF YOU WANT IT.

>> THIS WAS JUST EASY BREAKPOINTS.

>> OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH.

>> I WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN BRINGING THOSE, ESPECIALLY ON THE OVER 65 MIDDLE COLUMN, TO SOMEWHERE IN THERE MAYBE 55 PERCENT WE HAVE 10 PERCENT INCREASE, 50,000 10 PERCENT IS FIVE.

>> ON THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THAT INCLUDING THE SENIORS?

>> WHEREAS THE SENIOR EXEMPTIONS IS JUST THE SENIOR?

>> NARROW IS A TITLE IF THEY OWN A HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> IT'S BE THEIR PRIMARY YEAH.

>> HOUSTON OR GALVESTON OR SOMETHING.

>> THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, IT'D BE 48,000 TO GO FROM TWO PERCENT TO THREE PERCENT AND THAT WOULD AFFECT EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ONE MORE PERCENT AT LEAST ON IT.

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I FIND THAT STRANGE THOUGH, BECAUSE I GUESS GOING FROM 50,000-750000 IS 244,000 LOST REVENUE.

THEY'RE A SMALLER PIECE OF THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION SO I DON'T KNOW, I'M THINKING THINGS THROUGH HERE OF WHAT IF WE INCREASE THE HOMESTEAD FROM 2-3? WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATED TAX INCREASE THIS YEAR AND NEW GROWTHS, DO KNOW?

>> I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP MY HEAD.

GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. I'LL GET IT.

>> I LOOKED TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND I WOULD SAY OVER HALF HAVE PERCENTAGES OFF THROWING OUT SOME.

ALVIN HAS ONE PERCENT, CITY OF CLUTE HAS 20 PERCENT, FREEPORT HAS 20 PERCENT.

>> WELL.

>> JOHNS CREEK HAS 20%.

I HAVE A COLONY 10, IT'S SO TINY.

BAILEY'S PRAIRIE 20 PERCENT, OYSTER CREEK 20 PERCENT PEARLAND 2.5, SANTANA 20 PERCENT, RICHMOND ONE PERCENT, SURFSIDE 20 PERCENT.

THEN THEY ALSO HAVE VARYING.

>> DID YOU SAY LAKE JACKSON.

>> LAKE JACKSON DOES NOT HAVE A PERCENTAGE, BUT THEY'RE OVER 65 IS 75,000 AND DISABILITY 75,000 SO THAT'S ONE'S HIGHER THAN OURS, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A LOCAL OPTION PERCENTAGE.

>> YEAH, THANKS. [NOISE] THE ESTIMATED VALUE FOR 2023 IS 1,935,000,000.

>> YEAH. I GUESS IT DOESN'T HELP ME BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER LAST YEAR'S [LAUGHTER] OBVIOUSLY.

>> I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME EITHER.

>> I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH RAISING THE HOMESTEAD UP ONE MORE PERCENT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> I THINK I'M INTERESTED IN ANY ADJUSTMENT, OBVIOUSLY, ANY RELIEF WE CAN PROVIDE THAT HOPEFULLY CAN PROVIDE RELIEF TO THE CITIZENS WHILE MAINTAINING OUR SERVICES, SO IT'S GOOD TO FIND THAT GOOD BALANCE.

>> THAT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION WOULD AFFECT EVERYBODY THAT HAS A HOMESTEAD HERE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO HELP THE MOST, INCLUDING THE SENIORS.

>> ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS OUTER TABLE?

>> I AGREE. ANY EXTRA RELIEF WE CAN PROVIDE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMOUNT EVERYONE IS FACING WITH OUR CURRENT APPRAISALS.

>> GO AHEAD.

I'D EVEN WANT TO SEE WHAT 4%, WHAT WE COULD SQUEEZE OUT OF OUR BUDGET [NOISE] JUST TO HELP BECAUSE WE HAVE GRANDPARENTS, AND GREAT GRANDPARENTS HERE IN TOWN AND EVEN TO HOUSEHOLD WORKING FAMILIES THAT ARE HAVING ISSUES NOW WHEN THEY DID NOT HAVE ISSUES BEFORE.

>> THAT'S WHERE I THINK THOSE SECOND, THEIR COLUMNS MAY BE SOMETHING YOU CAN ADJUST WITH IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPECIALIZE PARTICULARIZED AREA OF RESIDENTS.

>> IT'S JUST HARD TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, STARTING WITH AN EXEMPTION, RAISING IT TO WHATEVER, AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FINAL VALUES ARE GOING TO BE AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN A BUDGET YET.

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO DO SOMETHING, I WANT TO SEE US IMPROVE IT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO SEE THIS BUDGET AND SEE HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO WORK WITH FIRST.

>> I'M 100% AGREE. WE WERE JUST TALKING, I THINK, BIG PICTURE IDEAS WHETHER WE CAN MAKE THAT FIT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

>> WE SHOULD HAVE ROUGH NUMBERS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

>> ROUGH BUDGET NUMBERS?

>> YEAH. WELL, FOR THE APPRAISED VALUES.

>> WILL SHOULD HAVE AN UPDATE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH ON THE PROPERTY VALUES.

>> PROBABLY THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US HERE ARE THESE BASED ON 2022 VALUES AND YOU GOT A 2022 TAX RATE?

>> THIS IS ALL 2022 NUMBERS?

>> SUBJECT TO CHANGE GROSSLY?

>> I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE I AGREE, THIS CAN BE GROSSLY [LAUGHTER] THE VALUES THAT HAVE BEEN APPRAISED BEFORE.

>> GROSS IS A GREAT WORD.

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>> NO, I MEAN, YES, BUT IT GIVES US ACTUALLY THE BOTTOM LINE OF WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE TO PREPARE OURSELVES TECHNICALLY.

>> AS YOU-ALL ARTICULATE THIS HARD PART WORK.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POTENTIAL REVENUE IS AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CUT OUT THAT NOT KNOWING WHAT THAT IS, AND SO IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE.

WE CAN GO BACK AFTER WE SEE WHAT THE REVENUE IS AND MAKE THAT DECISION.

THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS TO BUILD THE BUDGET.

>> MR. MAYOR, WHEN DID WE START THIS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION? WE DID THIS IN THE LAST WHAT? FIVE YEARS.

>> IT'S 2020.

>> LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR YOU HAD AN ORDINANCE ON A PERCENTAGE, BEFORE THAT IT WAS A FLAT AMOUNT AND I THINK IT WAS ONLY $5,000.

>> WE SAID AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE TIME TO YIELD [OVERLAPPING].

>> THEN WE INCREASED IT.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY PUSH THE VOTER, OR THE CITIZENS TOO HARD ON TAX INCREASES, SO WE WANTED TO OFFSET WITH THESE EXEMPTIONS.

I WANT TO SEE US GET THERE AND KEEP ADDING TO IT, BUT WE DO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE LOOMING, AND I GUESS GOT TO SEE WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE.

I WANT TO DO SOMETHING, I WANT TO SEE US MOVE IT, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT.

>> MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE CAN COME BACK, YOU GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE THAT MAY WE LOOK FOR HOME UP TO 4%, AND THEN FOR OVER 65, WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER?

>> I SAID 55, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S [OVERLAPPING] 5,000 WHICH MAKES 10%.

>> TEN PERCENT INCREASE.

>> WE CAN COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT THOSE REVENUE IMPACTS ARE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC.

>> THAT WOULD HELP.

>> BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF MEETINGS, SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK AT THE END OF THE MONTH, AND HOPEFULLY GET A MOTION, THOUGH WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE BEFORE JUNE 30TH.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ALSO GO TO THAT 55 WITH THE DISABLED, THE THIRD COLUMN.

>> IF WE DO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE GATHER 4%, DOES THAT ALSO ADJUST THE NUMBERS FOR THE 65 AND THE DISABLED?

>> NO, YOU HAVE TO SET THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

>> WE'RE GOING TO SET WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE ON THE HOMESTEAD, WHATEVER DOLLAR AMOUNT OVER 65 AND WHATEVER AMOUNT ON THE DISABLED.

I WOULD BELIEVE THAT'D BE A ORDINANCE, OR A RESOLUTION, OR SOMETHING.

>> WE HAVE TO UPDATE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS 2% THAT WE PASSED IN JUNE OF 2022.

IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE FROM 2%, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO DO ANOTHER ORDINANCE.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE AND YOU WANT TO STAY WITH THE 2%, WE'RE GOOD.

>> PHIL, I WOULD RECOMMEND PAINT US A PICTURE WHERE WE ENDED UP 2022 OR LAST YEAR.

WHAT WAS THE REVENUES, WHAT WAS THE BUDGET, SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE WERE SPREADING THAT TELLS US THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE PROVIDED AT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THEN WHAT THE CRYSTAL BALL IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE REVENUE.

EVEN IF WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IT'S A NUMBER, WE KNOW IT COULD BE AN ADJUSTMENT, BUT YOU CAN SAY AT CURRENT DOLLAR VALUE THAT WE GOT NOW, KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THEIR PROTESTING, THIS IS THE REVENUE THAT COULD BE DONE, AND THEN WITH THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, WHAT'S THE IMPACT TO THAT REVENUE BASED ON THE NUMBERS THESE GUYS ARE ALL TRYING TO SAY, WE WANT TO LOOK AT, AND THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM LINE.

HERE'S REVENUE BASED ON, IF YOU DO THIS AND THIS.

HERE'S REVENUE BASED ON THIS AND THIS.

I WOULD BE LOOKING AT SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AS WE DID LAST YEAR, BUT THIS IS ALL THE MONEY, SO HOW DO WE ACHIEVE THAT? SEE WHAT I WAS SAYING, PAINT A PICTURE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP OUT TOO.

>> YES. THANK YOU ALL. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT DOES IT FOR ITEM NUMBER 3.

CHRIS, WE'RE GOOD ON THE CORRECTION? GOING DOWN TO NUMBER 4,

[4. Discussion and possible action on the approval of a study with HDR to evaluate the intersection of County Road 44 and Enchanted Oaks Drive.]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE APPROVAL OF A STUDY WITH HDR TO EVALUATE THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 44 IN ENCHANTED OAKS.

WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LET STAFF GIVE THEIR SYNOPSIS, AND WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL LET THAT PERSON COME UP AND SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS.

MR. PETERSON, I THINK THE FLOOR IS GOING TO BE YOURS.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL. PREVIOUSLY, THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT A POTENTIAL STUDY TO HELP THE TRAFFIC LOADING THAT HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THEM DURING DIFFERENT TIMES, SCHOOL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE DONE AT THE INTERSECTION TO BETTER ALLEVIATE, OR IMPROVE THE ACTUAL LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THAT AREA.

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WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL TALKING ABOUT THE DATA COLLECTION, THE WARRANT ANALYSIS, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, AND THE PROJECT MEMORANDUM.

IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE'LL HAVE TO GO HAVE SOMEBODY SIT OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY DO PHYSICAL TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PROJECT, IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE MOVEMENTS ARE.

ON THIS THING, YOU ALL COULD PROBABLY SEE THAT I HAVE IT IN HERE FOR SIX MONTHS.

IT WON'T TAKE SIX MONTHS.

I ONLY PUT THAT IN THERE DUE TO THE FACT THAT IF I DON'T GET OUT THERE, OR IF I CAN'T GET IT SCHEDULED BEFORE THE SCHOOL ENDS IN MAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYBODY ANY GOOD, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL SEPTEMBER TO DO THE TRAFFIC COUNTS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A REAL LOADING.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASON WHY IT'S SIX MONTHS.

IF WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND GET IT DONE, WE CAN GET IT IN TO YOU IN 60 DAYS.

>> TO NOTE, THEIR SCHOOL ENDS ON MAY 19TH.

>> IT'LL PROBABLY BE IN SEPTEMBER THEN.

[LAUGHTER].

>> TEN DAYS.

>> JOHN.

>> SURE. TOTAL FEES FOR THIS WOULD BE ABOUT $25,000.

THIS WILL BE THE COUNTS, THE ANALYSIS, AND SOME EXHIBITS ON WHAT COULD BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE AREA.

>> ALRIGHT, JOHN. THANKS. MINE'S STILL LOADING.

BUT I SAW THIS AGENDA YESTERDAY, HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM STAFF BEFORE I ALLOW THE INDIVIDUAL TO COME UP AND SPEAK.

OR IF YOU ALL WANT TO PAUSE, THEN I'LL LET THAT INDIVIDUAL COME UP. GO AHEAD, MS. CLAIRE.

>> HI, MY NAME IS CLAIRE DANIELS.

I LIVE AT 864 SHREDDING OUT DRIVE.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I PROPOSED THAT WE DO SOMETHING TO THIS INTERSECTION A YEAR AGO AT ANGLETON UNIVERSITY WHEN I WAS A MEMBER OF THAT.

I'M EXCITED TO SEE SOMETHING, SOME MOVEMENT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL YOU ARE PLANNING ON DOING, IF THIS IS JUST FOR A RED LIGHT OR WHAT, BUT I GUESS I'M STILL PROPOSING THAT WE KNOCK OUT THAT ROCK MEDIAN THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU STRIPE IT, OR PUT SIGNS UP, OR ANYTHING.

JUST GET THE ROCK MEDIAN OUT.

THAT'LL ALLOW PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN RIGHT AND LEFT FROM THAT ROAD.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

PEOPLE ARE RUNNING OFF THE ROAD RIGHT NOW AND DIGGING ROADS ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING THEIR OWN LINE ANYWAY.

IF YOU GAVE US THAT EXTRA SPACE WHERE THE MEDIAN IS, WE COULD AT LEAST STAY ON THE ROAD.

I GUESS I'M PROPOSING AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PART OF THE STUDY IS PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE INTERSECTION THERE, OR WAS IT ONLY A RED LIGHT? BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S AN EASY FIX THAT CAN BE DONE RIGHT AWAY.

IT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT SAFER BECAUSE PEOPLE, I THINK FEEL A LOT OF PRESSURE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TURNING LEFT TO HURRY UP BECAUSE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TURN RIGHT CAN'T DO IT, AND THAT'S WHAT BACKS UP.

IF YOU CAN AT LEAST GIVE US TWO LANES OUT OF THERE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TURNING RIGHT CAN GO.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH CAR ROAD.

I THINK I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RED LIGHT BECAUSE JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS, BUT THAT IS STILL NOT GOING TO FIX CAR ROAD.

ANYWHERE WHERE YOU'RE HAVING TO TURN LEFT THROUGH THE TWO LANES BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC, THE SPEED, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT THERE AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE CITY'S PROBLEM TO ENFORCE IT, BUT IF THERE WAS BETTER ENFORCEMENT OF THE SPEED LIMIT THERE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP AS WELL.

BUT I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS PULLING OUT, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THERE.

I'M SUPPORTING THE EFFORT TO STUDY IT.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY DURING SCHOOL HOURS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU [LAUGHTER] DOING DURING SCHOOL TIME.

IT'S NOT REALLY JUST SCHOOL.

IT'S BAD IN THE MORNING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO THE COURTHOUSE.

THERE'S SOME PEAK TRAFFIC TIMES OBVIOUSLY, AND THE SCHOOL CONTRIBUTES TO IT, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.

I ALSO WANTED TO TELL YOU HERE TO THE COURT, I TALKED TO THEM AND THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING AS WELL.

I'VE TALKED TO THEIR PRESIDENT AND THEIR HLA AND THEY DON'T CARE IF TAKE THE MEDIAN OUT, PUT A STOP SIGN, OR A RED LIGHT, WHATEVER.

I THINK EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE, SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE IT.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I THINK JOHN, AS I READ THROUGH IT, ONE POPPED UP.

IT DOES SAY ON THERE, MS.CLAIRE, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT ONE OF THE ITEMS TO THE PROJECT MEMORANDUM IS CONCEPTUAL EXHIBIT SHOWING RECOMMENDATION INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

YES, THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL BASED ON, I GUESS THE COUNTING AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT.

PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM STAFF? COUNCIL?

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>> HEY, JOHN. ON THIS INTERSECTION, ISN'T THIS THE ONE WE ASKED THE COUNTY TO DO THE STUDY ON?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY RESPONSE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

>> THEY SAID NO.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THEY DIDN'T SAY NO? DID THEY GIVE A REASON OR A TIMEFRAME OF WHEN THEY WERE EXPECTING TO GET TO THE ROAD OR.

>> I THINK THE MOST RECENT CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNTY IS THEY'RE NOT PURSUING ANY ROAD IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW.

THAT IF WE WANTED TO TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT WAS ON US TO DO.

>> ARE THEY NOT PURSUING ANY ROAD OR IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS ROAD OR ALTOGETHER? EVERYWHERE.

>> I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC UPDATE TO GIVE YOU, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY NEWS ABOUT, WE'RE PROCEEDING FORWARD WITH, SAY TO WIDEN IT OR PURSUE A GRANT OR ANY OTHER.

>> I KNOW PREVIOUSLY THEY DID GO AFTER HDAC TIP FUNDING GRANT FOR THAT ROAD.

IT JUST DIDN'T SCORE HIGH ENOUGH TO QUALIFY ON THE PREVIOUS CALL FOR PROJECTS.

I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING AGAIN.

BUT I KNOW THAT I GOT A LOT OF INTEREST IN THERE TO MAKE THAT KIND OF THE GATEWAY [NOISE] TO THE COURTHOUSE, THAT THEY'RE SPENDING ALL THAT EFFORT INTO MAKING THE CAMPUS LOOK REAL NICE.

>> I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE US WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY.

WE'RE BOTH DOING THE SAME THING.

IF THEY HAVE A PLAN, LET'S WORK WITH THEM ON IT, INSTEAD OF US SPENDING 25,000 AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN THING.

BECAUSE IS THAT ROAD THE INTERSECTION ITSELF? IS THAT IN THE CITY?

>> NO.

>> NO. WE'RE WASTE.

WE'RE SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLAR ON AN INTERSECTION THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE CITY.

>> ARE WE LEGALLY ABLE TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION?

>> ARE WE ABLE TO [OVERLAPPING] PUT A STOP SIGN OUT, OR LIGHT? EVEN THOUGH THE COUNTY'S CONTROL OF IT.

DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY?

>> THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY IF THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE CURRENT LOADING AND FUTURE LOADING PROJECTS.

>> WE'RE DOING THE STUDY WITH THE HOPE THAT THEY WILL ACT ON IT WITH THEIR FUNDING.

>> THAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS IF THIS CITY WANTED TO DO THE IMPROVEMENT.

>> WE DO IT. JOHN NOW SAYS THAT IF WE WANTED TO FUND TRAFFIC LIGHTS OR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE, THEN WE WOULD DO THAT.

>> WHICH BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION AND SPEAKERS JUST RAISED THIS ISSUE ABOUT CAR ROAD.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THAT INTERSECTION, MOVING CAR ROAD, STRAIGHTENING OUT, IF YOU WILL.

SEEMED TO ALMOST FORM A NICE CROSS-SECTION WITH THE SPREADING OUT, OR DOES IT CHANGE IT.

I GUESS VENTRALLY, CHECKING OUR ROAD AS IT COMES THROUGH POTENTIALLY, AUSTIN COLONY MAKING ALMOST A FIVE-WAY INTERSECTION, FIVE POINT INTERSECTION.

IS THAT RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ANYWAY, I GUESS WHY I'M GETTING TO THAT IS IF WE SPEND THIS MONEY, [NOISE] AND TIME, AND EFFORT TO DO THIS.

IT COULD PRESENT A TEMPORARY FIX, NOT NECESSARILY A PERMANENT ONE.

>> DEPENDING ON THE ACTION THAT THE COUNTY WOULD TAKE.

>> BECAUSE, EVENTUALLY, I GUESS THE COUNTY COULD COME IN AND DECIDE TO, I HOPE THEY WOULD, MAKE A BOULEVARD, OR A FOUR LANE ROAD, OR SOMETHING OUT OF CAR ROAD 44 ON THE ANGLETON SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF 2D.

BUT THAT COULD BE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW WHEN.

IF IT WAS ME, I'D SPEND THE MONEY DOING WHAT MS. DANHOUSE SUGGESTED OR TAKING OUT THE MEDIAN AND PUTTING THE TURN LANE AND THAT'S A ROAD THAT'S IN THE CITY.

THAT'S OURS, THAT WE CAN CONTROL.

AND THAT'S THE FIRST STEP I THINK.

ABOVE ALL, I REALLY WANT TO SEE US DO SOMETHING WITH THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE I THINK ONCE AUSTIN CALLING DEVELOPS AND IF ACTION IS COMING THROUGH THERE, WE'VE GOT THOUSANDS OF CARS, POSSIBLY.

HOW DO WE GET THERE? WE MIGHT BE A LITTLE EARLY IN THE GAME, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY.

LET'S DO IT THE RIGHT WAY INSTEAD OF US GOING ONE WAY AND THEN SAYING, OKAY, HERE YOU GO AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DON'T ACCEPT IT, AND THEN THEY GO DO THEIR OWN STUDY.

WELL TAXPAYER JUST FUNDED TWO STUDIES ON A ROAD WE DON'T CONTROL CURRENTLY.

>> I AGREE WITH ALL YOUR THOUGHTS,

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INCLUDING TO TURN LANE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT WITHOUT DOING A STUDY.

[MUSIC] IT JUST FEEL LIKE UNFORTUNATELY, TO JUSTIFY IT, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS STUDY AND THEN EXERCISE.

>> THAT'S FOR TRUE. I WOULD JUST THROW THIS OUT HERE PLATE-LIKE, THERE WAS AN ENCHANTED OAKS DRIVE, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT TO PUT A BRAND NEW CHITCHATTED OAKS DRIVE INTO A COUNTY ROAD, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TODAY IF YOU'RE BUILDING THAT INTERSECTION?

>> YOU HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

>> I HESITATE TO SPEND THE MONEY DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED OUT THERE.

JUST SAY, IF IT'S DETERMINED, IF IT WARRANTS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THEN THE QUESTION COMES UP, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN OF THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL? WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, INSTALLATION OF THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL? WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL? WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT? I'M SURE THE COUNTY WOULD SAY, COME ON.

[LAUGHTER] IT'S ON THEIR ROAD.

ANOTHER QUESTION.

IN THE REVIEW OF THE AUSTIN COLONY SUBDIVISION, WHAT'S THEIR COUNTY REQUIRING OF THAT DEVELOPER AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE TIGNER ROAD COMES OUT?

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON THAT AS FAR AS FINALIZED.

I KNOW WE HAD GIVEN US SOME EXAMPLES OF MOVING CAR ROAD, AND BRINGING IT [OVERLAPPING].

>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CAR ROAD.

THE DEVELOPER CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

BUT WHAT'S THE COUNTY GOING TO MAKE HIM DO WHEN HE INTERSECTS ANCHOR ROAD WITH TIGNER ROAD?

>> I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S BEEN FINALIZED.

>> YOU MEAN AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD?

>> AUSTIN COLONY BOULEVARD. [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE SOUTHERN LEG OF IT.

>> YEAH. THAT WAS GOING TO COME OUT TOO.

>> I THINK THAT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK TO LATER PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> I THOUGHT THAT'S THE FIRST PART. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S THE FIRST PART.

>> YOU GOT TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE.

>> YEAH. I THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING OFF AT THE TIGNER ABOUT THE WALMART.

>> WELL, [OVERLAPPING] EXCUSE ME, THAT IS A LATER, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE'S TWO ACCESSES TO ANCHOR ROAD.

THE ONE HE'S DOING NOW IS GOT TO BE SOUTH, THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE DITCH. I'M SORRY.

>> THAT'S THE AUSTIN COLONY ROAD [NOISE].

>> THAT'S THE FIRST PROJECT HE WOULD DO.

>> TIGNER ROAD JUST GOT A DEAD END FOR THE TIME BEING,.

>> CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> WHERE DOES THE 25,000 COME FROM?

>> OUR FINANCE GUY LEFT BEFORE WE COULD ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> YEAH. I HAVE TO CHECK.

WE'VE GOT SOME ROOM IN PROFESSIONAL FEES AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN CHARGE IT TO.

>> WHICH IS THINKING.

>> BUT WE'RE GETTING TOWARD THE THREE-QUARTERS OF THE YEAR.

>> IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP.

IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD WARN US TAKING THE IMMEDIATE ACTION RIGHT NOW ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET STARTED UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

>> I THINK WE'VE OBVIOUSLY ADDED THE PARK.

YOU'VE GOT ADDED STRESS FROM THAT.

BUT PEERS THAT AUSTIN COLONY, IF IT IS EVER DEVELOPED, IS STILL A LITTLE WAYS FROM.

WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME FOR THAT HAS TO BE.

WE HAVE SOME TIME.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE BOUND TO THE WAITING UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THE FEEDBACK OF WHERE WE'RE GETTING THAT MONEY FROM OR LOOKING AT THE THREE-QUARTER BUDGET AND SEEING WHERE WE ARE IN A SAFE POSITION TO TALK TO THE COUNTY.

THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.

IF WE TELL THEM THAT THE COUNT AND THE CITY IS INTERESTED, DO WE START TALKING TO THEM SOME MORE ABOUT THAT?

>> I'VE ASKED HIM A QUESTION AND SO I'M JUST WAITING ON A RESPONSE.

>> IT'S NOW AN ACTION ITEM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.

I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T NEED AN ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS NOW LITERALLY ON THE TABLE FOR A DECISION IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS.

BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN'T JUST SNAP YOUR FINGERS AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

>> BUT LIKE YOU ALL SAID, IF WE ARE IN ON IT, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO DISAGREE.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT TO WHATEVER STANDARD THAT THEY'RE WANTING AS WELL BECAUSE THEY MIGHT SAY, HEY, IF YOU DO THIS, THEN MAYBE WE'LL MEET YOU HALFWAY ON SOMETHING ELSE HERE.

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I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DUCKS IN A ROW BEFORE WE GO OFF AND SAY, OKAY, GO JOHN AND DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AND THEN WE FIND OUT LATER THAT EITHER IT DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OR THERE'S OTHER ISSUES OR AS MR. BOOTH SAID, OKAY NEITHER TRAFFIC LIGHT.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW? I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

THERE'S NO NEED TO RUSH AND MAKE THIS DECISION TONIGHT IF HE'S NOT GOING TO GET STARTED UNTIL SEPTEMBER, WHERE'S THE FUNDING COMING FROM?

>> THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WANT TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THIS.

BUT THE CITIZENS OF ANGLETON ALSO PAY COUNTY TAXES.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME BUY-IN.

>> I AGREE WITH MOST EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.

I'M ALSO WORRISOME ABOUT DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY NOW AND THEN IT BEING INVALID ONCE AUSTIN COLONY STARTS BLENDING OUT BECAUSE THAT WILL IMPACT THE TRAFFIC AND THE NUMBERS WILL BE DIFFERENT.

THEN ANOTHER ONE WILL JUST HAVE TO BE DONE ANYWAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT AN ESTIMATE WOULD BE FOR MAKING THAT A TURN LANE BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S ABOUT 17 FEET, NOT COUNTING THE ROUTE PEOPLE HAVE DONE BECAUSE I WOULD SAY ABOUT HALF THE DRIVERS CURRENTLY WILL SCOOT AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN IF THEY'RE TURNING LEFT TO THE CURB TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO ALSO.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO LANES IF THEY'RE CAREFUL.

THINGS GO A LOT SMOOTHLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT IT GETS SKETCHY.

>> OH, I FEEL YOUR PAIN. SOUTH WALKER IS THE SAME WAY, EVERYONE.

>> I HEAR SEVERAL THINGS GOING, DO WE TABLE THIS TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT STAFF TALK TO COUNCIL COUNTY, LET THEM KNOW LIKE COUNCILMAN TALENTS AND SAID IT'S ON THE TABLE SO WE NEED TO ACT ON IT SO WILL THEY HELP US.

THEN WE ALSO HERE ON THE OTHER WAY, CAN WE GET SOME ROUGH ESTIMATE NUMBERS THAT MAY BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO AT LEAST START EARLY WITH HERITAGE OAKS, YOU CAN GET THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT, I GUESS ON THEM GETTING ON AND OFF OR ONTO 44.

THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS HERE THAT ARE MOVING.

BUT FIRST PRESSING THING IS, TABLE IT UNTIL FURTHER LATER DATE FOR INFORMATION, WHICH I THINK WE WILL NEED A MOTION FOR THAT, AND THEN STAFF DIRECTION SEEP OUT SOME INFORMATION, PRICING ON WHAT THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU WITH HDR AND WHATNOT.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ISSUE.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNS AT A TABLE SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.

THAT MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, MR. PETERSON.

>> THANK YOU, MS. DANIELS. ITEM NUMBER 5,

[5. Discussion and possible action on the final plat of Live Oak Ranch Subdivision.]

DISCUSSION WITH POSSIBLE ACTION ON FINAL PLAT OF LIVE OAK RIDGE SUBDIVISION, MR. OTIS.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE FINAL PLAT FOR LIVE OAK RANCH, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED JUST EAST OF ANGLETON DRIVE, NORTH OF BASTROP.

THE DEVELOPER HERE HAS 65 LOTS, THREE BLOCKS IN ONE RESERVE IN WHICH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION.

WE HAVE THE CDE ENGINEER TO REVIEW THE PLATTE AND OF COURSE, THAT WERE APPROXIMATELY 11 COMMENTS THAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE REPORT IN WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO CLEAR THOSE PRIOR TO THE ACTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE PLATTE AND FORWARD IT TO YOU FOR A FINAL DECISION REGARDING LIVE OAK RANCH.

WE HAVE THE EXECUTED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND WE WILL BE COORDINATING, OF COURSE, ALL OUTSTANDING FEES AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

THEY ARE OF COURSE PENDING THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING AS SOON AS DISAPPROVAL, AND THEY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT WILL BE COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY WOULD BE THE STREET DESIGNATION AND NAMES BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME DISCREPANCIES ON PREVIOUS PLATTES AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE BORDERING STREET.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO 911 EMERGENCY ISSUES ON THE RECORDED PLATTE.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. OTIS.

>> ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?

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NO QUESTIONS, NO COMMENTS. GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> IS THERE AN HOA AFFILIATE WITH THIS DIVISION?

>> THE DEVELOPER IS HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE NO ISSUES THERE.

IT SHOULD BE STATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REGARDING THE HOA? YES, SIR.

>> I WAS JUST WONDERING WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE RESTRICTED.

>> ALL OF THAT IS TYPICALLY SPELLED OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN, YES SIR.

>> IF WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH CURRENT HOAS NOT MAINTAINING THERE.

>> CORRECT AND MANY ARE THOSE IN WHICH WE'RE HAVING SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES AS YOU KNOW, AND THEN DECISION AS TO WHO DOES WHAT PREDATED A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESSES.

WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE UPON THAT.

WE'LL COORDINATE THIS WHEN THEY MAKE SURE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

>> THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS, THIS IS ONE PHASE AS WELL. YES, SIR.

>> JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LAST YEAR AND PROVISION OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IS THAT THE CITY ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY SHOULD THE HOA LOSE ITS PROPER LICENSING OR NOT FULFILL ITS DUTIES THAT THE CITY CAN GO IN AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHIN THE PROPERTY.

>> THIS COMPLETES ANGLETON BOULEVARD, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S FANTASTIC.

>> YES. WE'VE COORDINATED THE ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGE QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.

>> IS THAT 40 YEARS LATER.

>> [OVERLAPPING] I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU SAY COMPLETES ANGLETON BOULEVARD, IT'S ONLY BETWEEN DALLAS AND HOUSTON.

>> YES. AUSTIN WILL STILL BE THE ONE LITTLE ROAD TO BASTROP AND HE'S ONLY DOING DALLAS TO HOUSTON?

>> YEAH. JUST RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF HIS PLACE.

>> FROM HOUSTON BACK TO AUSTIN WILL STILL BE ONE LANE ON EACH SIDE.

>> IS THAT FROM PROPERTY LINE OF POVERTY LINE?

>> NOT JUST DRIVEWAY TO DRIVE AWAY.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THE LOT SIZE ON DALLAS AND HOUSTON EXISTING, THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO MATCHING IT.

>> YES, IT WAS. THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS.

>> I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS TOO.

>> I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE MAP OF THE OTHER SIDE.

>> IT MIRRORS PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT.

>> THEN DOES THIS IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES OR ANYTHING OVER THERE?

>> AS IT RELATES TO ANGLETON BOULEVARD YES, SIR IN TERMS OF COORDINATING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN IT RIGHT AWAY RIGHT NOW.

>> BECAUSE I SEE THE FAR EAST SIDE IS ALL RESERVE.

>> THAT'S A DETENTION PROGRAM.

>> IS IT GOING TO BE DRY OR WET DETENTION? WET DETENTION. I SEE THAT OPEN SPOT IN THE VERY BACK.

IS THAT GOING TO BE WHERE THAT DRAINS TO IT?

>> IT DRAINS OUT THE NORTH.

>> I SEE IT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO SAY ENGINEERING.

WE'VE ADDED CARBONATES ON ANGLETON BOULEVARD AT THE CURB RETURNS AT DALLAS AND HOUSTON SO THAT WE'VE IMPROVED DRAINAGE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD NOW, AS WELL AS ADDRESSING THE ROADSIDE DITCH ISSUE THAT'S NOW GOING TO BE PUT INTO PIPES AND THAT ALSO DRAINS BACK TO THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT DITCH TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> THEY'RE ALSO REMOVING SOME PITIFUL PAVEMENT ALONG ANGLETON BOULEVARD AND REPLACING IT WITH NEW ADEQUATE PAVEMENT. I SEE THAT TOO.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR STAFF OR GUESTS?

>> I JUST WANT TO REPEAT THAT MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS FROM THE PRELIMINARY THAT

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THEY MATCHED THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE WIDTHS HUGE PLUS HELPING FIX THAT ROAD AND DRAINAGE.

I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON HOUSTON AND DALLAS THAT HAVE DIFFICULT MAKING A LOOP AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF HOW THE WATER COLLECTS AND I'M VERY EXCITED THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE FIXED AND THEY'LL HAVE A DRY SPACE AND SAFE SPACE TO WALK.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED FINAL PLOT OF LAG OF OAK RANCH SUBJECT TO ANY FINAL CONDITIONS OF THE CITY ENGINEER.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND'S SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM WRIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> ALAMO DRIVE. I'LL JUST SAY IT, IF YOU LOOK AT [INAUDIBLE] AT MIMOSA AT THE BACK IS GARDENIA.

>> GO AHEAD, SIR.

I GET IT WHY YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ROAD BECAUSE HOUSTON, DALLAS, IT MIGHT JUST DEAD IN THEM AND THEN HAVE ALAMO DRIVE.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT 911 CALLS, BUT THIS ONE ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ROADS ARE SET UP.

THEY'RE LONG ROADS.

>> THIS IS DIFFERENT. HOUSTON AVENUE AND DALLAS DRIVE MUCH LONGER THAN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSES.

>> A FINAL LOOP LIKE THE OTHER ONE.

>> I NEVER KNEW DALLAS WAS NAMED DALLAS DRIVE AND IT WAS HOUSTON AVENUE, JUST DALLAS STREET, HOUSTON STREET, [LAUGHTER] SO NOW, GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CALL FOR THE VOTE? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

THAT MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU-ALL SO MUCH.

>> YES. THANK YOU.

>> MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM NUMBER 6,

[6. Discussion and possible action on a request for approval of the final plat of Riverwood Ranch Section 3 and Section 4. The proposed final plats consist of 73 lots on 35.62 acres (Section 3); and 71 single family residential lots (Section 4) on approximately 15.2 acres; property is located north of Hospital Drive between N. Downing Street to the west and Buchta Road to the east.]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT OF RIVERWOOD RANCH SECTION 3 AND SECTION 4.

THE PROPOSED MODEL PLATS CONSIST OF 73 LOTS ON 35.62 ACRES, SECTION 3, AND 71 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT SECTION 4, ON APPROXIMATELY 15.2 ACRES.

PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF HOSPITAL DRIVE, BETWEEN NORTH DOWNING STREET TO THE WEST AND BUCKNER ROAD TO THE EAST. MR. OTIS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AS STATED HERE, THE CONSIDERATION OF RIVERWOOD RANCH SECTIONS 3 AND 4 ARE FINAL PLATS.

AS YOU RECALL, ON YOUR APRIL 25TH MEETING, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON SECTION 3, QUESTIONS OF COORDINATION OF WHAT HAD OCCURRED DURING THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, ORDINANCES, AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DISCUSSIONS THAT HADN'T BEEN HAD PREVIOUSLY REGARDING THE LOT MIX.

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AS TO THE PERCENTAGE OF 50-FOOT VERSUS 60-FOOT LOTS FOR THOSE TWO PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS.

THEN THERE WAS SOME SECTION 4 WHICH HAD NOT BEEN FILED FOR FINAL PLAT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AS A RESULT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THE DEVELOPER AND ENGINEER WENT BACK AND DEVELOPED A PLAN OF ACTION TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT SECTION 4 TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE OUTSTANDING LOTS IN QUESTION.

WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS FOLLOWING BOTH FINAL PLATS AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN THEY'LL COORDINATE CONSTRUCTION IN TERMS OF WHAT GETS RECORDED IN THE MEANTIME.

IN TERMS OF LOT MIX, FOR SECTION 3, YOU HAD 70 PERCENT VERSUS 30 PERCENT ON THE 60 VERSUS 50-FOOT LOTS.

MAJORITY OF THE 50 ON SECTION 3, BUT IN SECTION 4, THERE WERE 59 PERCENT, 60-FOOT LOTS VERSUS THE 41 PERCENT 50-FOOT LOTS IN LOT 4, IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENTS ON THE PLATS.

THE CITY ENGINEER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, OF COURSE, TO CLEAR THE COMMENTS OF SECTION 3 AS YOU RECALL, BUT SECTION 4 COMMENTS THE SEVEN COMMENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE ATTACHED REVIEW WERE CONSIDERED AS WELL AS RESUBMIT IT PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERING THIS PARTICULAR FINAL PLAT OF SECTION 4.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN TERMS OF THEIR ATTENDANCE HAD, OF COURSE, TWO MEMBERS OUT, ONE VACANCY, SO WE DID HAVE A QUORUM.

BUT IN TERMS OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, THE MAJORITY OF THEM VOTED IT IN TERMS OF DISAPPROVAL.

BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, WE HAVE FORWARDED THE TWO SECTIONS TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.

AS FAR AS STAFF IS CONCERNED, ALL OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND CLEARED REGARDING THE SUBDIVISION PLANNING ITSELF IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE LOT MIX MEETS

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THEIR PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS AND ALSO THE PD ORDINANCE, WE WOULD SAY THAT ZONING IS IN COMPLIANCE, SO THERE ARE NO ISSUES THERE.

AS A RESULT OF THE DISAPPROVAL, THIS HAS BEEN RESUBMITTED TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF SECTION 3 AND 4 TOGETHER.

THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN WE WOULD HOPE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU, MR. OTIS. I LOOKED AT THE MEMO THAT WAS GIVEN TO US AND THEY SAID ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THEIR DISAPPROVAL, I UNDERSTAND THE LOT SIZES BUT SAFETY QUESTIONS ON FIRE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS [OVERLAPPING] AND IT'S DESIGNED LIKE THE OTHER PART, SO HOW IS IT DIFFERENT TO THIS PART?

>> I THINK THAT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS OF SOME OF THE CUL-DE-SACS.

AS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DESIGNED BASICALLY TO ADDRESS TURNAROUND AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

IN SOME OF YOUR OLDER SUBDIVISIONS, RESIDENTS MAY EXPERIENCE PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET AND WITHIN CUL-DE-SACS, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD SAFETY MEASURE.

BUT WE DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES IN TERMS OF FIRE SAFETY TO PROPAGATE THOSE THINGS ARE BEDDED DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS DURING THE PRELIMINARY STAGE, SO THEY'RE REALLY NO ISSUES THERE.

IN TERMS OF LOT CONFIGURATION AND LOT SIZES, AS YOU RECALL, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ON THE 50-FOOT LOTS NOT BEING DESIRABLE.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE FELT AT STAFF THAT THE PLATS MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. MR. OTIS, YOU'RE TELLING US THAT EVERYTHING IN THESE TWO SUBDIVISION SECTIONS HAS MET OR EXCEEDED THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE THAT CITY COUNCIL PASSED?

>> YES, SIR. IN TERMS OF THE LAT MIX QUESTIONS. [OVERLAPPING]

>> EVERYTHING ELSE TOO?

>> 100 PERCENT, IT MEETS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE? [OVERLAPPING]

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YES, SIR.

>> NOW TERMS OF ANY OUTSTANDING ENGINEERING AND THEY'LL VET MANY ENGINEERING COMMENTS IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

WE'LL MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS ARE COORDINATED THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, BUT THIS WOULD MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.

>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS, OR COMMENTS? JUDITH?

>> QUESTION I HAVE IS IF THIS WAS THE VOTE DOWN, WHAT ARE THE LEGAL OPTIONS?

>> WELL, THERE IS NO BASIS TO VOTE IT DOWN BECAUSE YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR JUST SAID THAT IT COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE CITY'S MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S NUMBER 1.

BUT IF YOU DID NOT APPROVE IT, IF YOU FAIL TO APPROVE IT, THEN THE SHOT CLOCK IS RUNNING, SO AFTER 30 DAYS, IF THERE IS NO APPROVAL OR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL IS GOING TO BE APPROVED BY OPERATION OF LAW.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF P&Z? P&Z VOTED DOWN.

>> THE PURPOSE FOR P&Z IS DIFFERENT IN EVERY HOME-RULE CITY.

YOUR CITY IS UNIQUE, THAT YOU HAVE YOUR P&Z LOOKING AT PLOTS.

A LOT OF CITIES, THE P&Z NEVER LOOKS AT PLATS, AND ESPECIALLY NOT FINAL PLATS.

SO I COULDN'T SPEAK TO WHY YOUR CITY DOES IT THAT WAY OR WHAT THE NEEDS WERE WHEN YOU STARTED YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

BUT I MEAN, TECHNICALLY WHAT IT IS IS THAT THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION AND HAVE A SAY IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

TECHNICALLY, THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

PLUS THEY DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

THEY HAD ANOTHER MATTER ON ZONING THAT WENT ON THURSDAY, AND THEY ACTED WELL WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS PURSUANT TO YOUR CODE, SO THEY SERVE A GREAT PURPOSE.

>> THEY WROTE SOMETHING DOWN THOUGH, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IN THIS CASE.

>> WHY THIS ONE, TO ME, I THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT?

>> YES, BUT THE ANSWER IS IT DOES MATTER.

IF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE ENGINEER CAME TO P&Z AND SAID,

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WE HAVE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU STATUTORILY PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 212 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

HOWEVER, WE NEED TO TELL YOU IT DOES NOT CONFORM, THEN THE P&Z WOULD DENY BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE TOLD WHY IT DIDN'T CONFORM, BUT THEY WERE TOLD THAT IT CONFORMS. I WILL SAY IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO OF THE P&Z MEETING, WHICH I DID, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING ABOUT WHICH WAY THERE WERE VOTING BECAUSE THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE IT, AND THEN WHEN THE VOTE CAME, A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION CAME UP AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AS YOU WERE ACTUALLY IN THE ROOM, AND THEN THERE WAS A VOTE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DISAPPROVE AND HAVE CITY COUNCIL MAKE A DECISION.

IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO.

HOWEVER, THERE CERTAINLY WERE COMMENTS ABOUT LOT SIZE.

BUT THE ANALYSIS OF LOT SIZE IS NOT APPLICABLE TO PLAT APPROVAL.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, THREE YEARS AGO.

>> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THEM FROM MY OWN UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IN CASE THIS ISSUE EVER PRESENTS ITSELF AGAIN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHENEVER THE CITY AGREED TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR WHAT'S NOW KNOWN AS RIVERWOOD RANCH.

THE ENTIRETY OF IT, OBVIOUSLY, DONE IN FOUR SECTIONS.

I GUESS THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

THIS IS LIKE A CONTRACT?

>> CORRECT.

>> THAT THERE WAS TO BE AS CERTAIN, I GUESS, DIVERSIFICATION OF LOT SIZES, AND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO US IS THAT STANDARD WAS SET OUT THIN AND HAS BEEN.

>> AS FAR AS I KNOW.

>> ADHERED TO NOW.

>> CORRECT.

>> IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING WHEN YOU SAY AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN AS FAR AS YOU KNOW?

>> I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

>> IS THERE SOMEWHERE ON PAPER WE CAN SEE THIS?

>> WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

>> YES, WE DO HAVE EXECUTED AGREEMENTS THAT DATE BACK TO 2019.

BUT THE DISCUSSION THAT HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS INVOLVES WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE LOT SIZE MIX.

>> EXACTLY.

>> THE AGREEMENTS FROM THE FORMER CITY MANAGER ARE NOT SIMILAR TO THE KINDS WE HAVE NOW WHERE WE LIST OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN X PERCENTAGE OF LOT SIZES.

>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VAGUE.

>> SO, WHATEVER THE AGREEMENTS SAY AND WHATEVER THE ADOPT THE PAST, WHATNOTS ON THE PD, ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN BECAUSE.

>> WELL, WHAT I MEAN BY SOMEBODY HAPPENING AGAIN, I MEANS ANOTHER COULD BE MR. FOLLY AGAIN, MR. FOLLY TAKES INTEREST IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

HE'S A PROPERTY, HE MAY WANT TO GET A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON AND SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

>> WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SETUP NOW.

WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS EVERY SINGLE WEDNESDAY WHERE THE DEVELOPER CAN COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE DEAL POINTS ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS STARTED BACK IN 2019, MAYBE 2018, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THAT HAPPENING.

THE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS NOW THAT WERE AROUND THEN WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN ME.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER SYSTEM NOW. THANK YOU.

WE HAD TO LEARN THROUGH CAT BITES ALMOST GET TO THIS POINT.

>> I CERTAINLY PERSONALLY, SECTION 4 IS A DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT.

MY OPINION, I WISH THE REMAINDER OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUBDIVISION HAD MIRRORED CLOSE TO THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR DIVERSITY.

I THINK SOMETIMES WE TEND TO CONFLATE THE ISSUE OF LOT SIZE AND HOW SIZE.

THAT'S NOT THE SAME THINGS.

A LOT SIZE HAS TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIVING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE EXPANDED TO PUT IN A DENSITY OF THE PEOPLE THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE A 60-FOOT LOT BY 120 FEET, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A 900-SQUARE-FOOT HOME ON THAT HOUSE OR ON THAT LOT OR YOU WANT TO BUILD A 3,200-SQUARE FOOT.

I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT SIZE TO BUILD YOUR HOUSE.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE WIDTH AND LIKE I SAID, THE DENSITY AND THEN WHAT IT IS GOING TO CREATE AND IT'S GOING TO CREATE ISSUES TO ANYBODY WHO USES THIS.

BUT IF THERE'S NO LEGAL ANSWER, THEN MY VOTE WILL BE FOR IT NOT BECAUSE I APPROVE OF IT,

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BUT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER OPTION.

>> MR. FOLLY, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MAYOR.

>> HOW IS IT GOING, MICHAEL?

>> WHEN THIS IS FULLY BUILT OUT, WHAT'S YOUR MIX? ALL PHASES TOGETHER.

>> TOTAL MIX.

>> IT SHOULD BE ON THAT PLAT FOR SECTIONS 3 AND 4, BUT 4 TOTAL PURPOSE IS, IT'S AROUND 150, 45-FOOT LOTS, 110, 50-FOOT LOTS, AND THEN IT'S 91, 160-FOOT LOTS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A LOT OF TIME SINCE WE DID THE PD THAT WAS BACK IN 2020 AND BACK THEN WHEN WE DID IT, I THINK MR. TOWNSEND WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL, AND I THINK GONZAGA AND MS. DANIELS, YOU MIGHT'VE CAME AFTER THAT, BUT AT THE TIME WE APPROVED IT, THE MIX WAS AT 48, 90-FOOT LOTS.

BACK THEN, WHEN IT WAS 48-FOOT LOTS, IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY EVERYONE HERE.

WE HAD A GOAL TO GET THIS.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT SINCE THE PROJECT STARTED TOO, THE FIRST ONE I DID WAS ROSEWOOD.

THIS IS MY SECOND PROJECT.

WE'VE LEARNED AND GROWN WITH THE CITY TOO, I JUST WANT TO SAY OVERALL, I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT STILL CAME OUT VERY BEAUTIFUL AND THE BEST IS YET TO COME WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE LAKE AND THE BIGGER LOTS AROUND IT AND I THINK THAT WAS ALWAYS A GOAL TO GET THE AFFORDABILITY DONE QUICK AND GET PEOPLE ON THAT SUBDIVISION AND ADDRESS THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE UPFRONT.

ONCE WE ADD MOMENTUM WITH THE SUBDIVISION, THEN INTRODUCED THE NICER LOTS THAT MIGHT COME WITH A HIGHER-PRICED HOME.

HOPEFULLY, NOW THAT WE'RE HERE, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT AND FINISH OUR GOAL.

BUT BACK TO ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOT SIZE MIX.

I GAVE YOU ALL THIS SHEET ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO THAT WAS FOR THE PD AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED FROM THAT IS WE'VE CONNECTED THIS COLDEST SACK TO THE BOULEVARD INTERIORS TO PROVIDE MORE CIRCULAR ABILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> YEAH, I DO REMEMBER OUR CONVERSATION THOUGH ON PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 ABOUT LOT WIDTHS AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE MORE OF A MIX AND I MEAN, BY WHAT WE'D BEEN APPROVING LATELY, THIS DOES NOT MEET THE CURRENT GOALS OF THE CITY.

WE'D BEEN DOING 60S A LOT AND EVEN WHILE I DISAGREE WITH ASHLAND, IT'S A LOT MORE 60S IN THERE THAN THIS ONE HAS.

I THINK YOU WERE ONE OF THE VERY FIRST ONES HERE WITH RIVERWOOD RANCH AND I DO REMEMBER THE PD BEING DISCUSSED, BUT ALSO REMEMBER BEING TOLD THAT WILL IT'S A PD AND WE CAN NEGOTIATE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN FUTURE PHASES AND HALF THE TIME IT WAS SHADED OUT, SO LESSON LEARNED ON MY PART. I DON'T KNOW.

>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

THE ORIGINAL PD ORDINATES BECAUSE I HAD TO DO SOME HISTORY TOO.

I WENT THROUGH AND SAW WHERE WE STARTED AND WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2020.

WITH THAT PD ORDINATES, IT GAVE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE THE LOTS.

BUT WE DID HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN HERE THAT SHOWED WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO WITH THE 45-FOOT LOTS, 50S, AND 60S.

WE HAD A VISION FROM THE BEGINNING ON THIS.

LITTLE THINGS HAVE BEEN TWEAKED, WE COMBINE THE PONS, BUT OVERALL WE DID END UP WITH MORE 60S, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING.

IF WE WERE TO GO DO THIS BACK AGAIN, WE HAVE NOW THE CITY AND WE KNOW WE DO IT DIFFERENTLY.

OF COURSE, MR. THOMAS SAID, WE DO HAVE INTEREST IN THE CITY.

I MEAN, I'M WORKING ON 800 ACRES OVER OPPORTUNITY A LOT TO DEVELOP THAT INTO SOMETHING SOMEDAY.

SO NEXT TIME WE'LL LEARN FROM WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE AND MOVE FORWARD.

>> I DON'T NEED A SPECIFIC NUMBER, BUT APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY HOMES HAD BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN SECTIONS 1 AND 2?

>> WELL, WHAT I DO KNOW IS WE FINALLY GOT POWER.

TEXAS, NEW MEXICO HAS BEEN A LITTLE BEHIND THE BALL, BUT THAT'S AROUND THE CITY EVERYWHERE WITH ELECTRICAL, BUT THEY JUST GOT IT DONE FOR SECTION 2 IN THE PAST 30 DAYS.

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WE'VE HAD OVER 20 CLOSINGS LAST WEEK AND WE DID FIVE CLOSING.

IT'S REALLY PICKING UP STEAM.

LEANOR IS ABOUT TO DO ANOTHER EIGHT STARTS FOR MAY.

THEY'RE DOING EIGHT STARTS AT A TIME AND I CAN'T IGNORE THEIR CALLS TO MANY MUCH LONGER ABOUT WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MORE LOTS OF THEM.

>> BUT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A NUMBER, DO YOU?

>> THE TOTAL FIGURE, I [OVERLAPPING] OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

NO. I'LL EMAIL YOU ALL THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SALES REPORTS EACH MONTH, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

>> YOU HAVE A PRODUCT THAT IS BEING DESIRED BY PEOPLE AND WANT TO COME TO THIS TOWN?

>> YEAH. OUR HOA JUST HELD A GARAGE SALE WHERE ALL THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT AND WE GOT TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DURING THE LAST HOA MEETING.

THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

NEXT TIME WE HOST ONE OF THOSE, I'LL SEND AN INVITE TO ALL OF YOU GUYS AND HOPEFULLY I COULD SEE YOU ALL OUT THERE AND YOU CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM WHAT WE'VE BUILT HERE FROM FIRSTHAND, HOW MUCH THEY'RE ENJOYING AND THE GREAT COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE.

>> THAT BRINGS ME TO, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, YOU WERE CONCERNED WITH THE DEPTH IN THE MARKET.

THIS IS MAYBE ADDRESSED MORE TO JUDITH.

LET'S ASSUME THAT THIS FINAL PLAQUE GETS APPROVED, BUT LET'S ALSO ASSUME THERE'S NOT THE DEPTH IN THE MARKET THAT HE THINKS IS THERE.

HE HAS TO SELL OFF HIS, I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN NUMEROUS TIMES THEY DON'T FINISH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

HE'S GOT TO SELL IT OFF TO SOME OTHER DEVELOPER WHO HAS TO COME FINISH THE PROJECT.

IS THAT NEXT DEVELOPER BOUND TO THIS PLAN AGREEMENT OR DO THEY COME BACK BEFORE US? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LEGALITY.

>> THE NEXT DEVELOPER'S BOUND.

>> ONCE THIS IS SET, IT'S SET AND THE NEXT DEVELOPER HAS TO DEVELOP TO THIS. OKAY.

>> MR. FOLLY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

YOU ARE THE VERY FIRST DEVELOPER TO COME HERE AFTER I TOOK OFFICE AND YOU STUCK WITH US.

YOU ARE LIKE THE GUINEA PIG.

I APOLOGIZE THAT WE PUT YOU THROUGH THE RINGER.

IF SOME OF US HAD PITS IN OUR STOMACH WHEN WE COME UP HERE AND LOOK ANGRY OR UPSET, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU KEEP COMING BACK AND COMING BACK AND COMING BACK.

YOU ARE THE GUINEA PIG. WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING FOUR YEARS AGO.

I APPRECIATE YOU BEING FLUID WITH US AND AT LEAST MOLDING SOME.

I WAS IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND I DO REMEMBER THAT WE SAID YES, YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GO LARGER, BUT IT ALSO DICTATED WHAT THE MARKET WAS GOOD, AND YOU'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT.

YOU DICTATE WHAT THE MARKET TOLD US.

IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT. WE CAN SIT OUTSIDE AND DRIVE AROUND AND SEE WHAT'S SELLING.

THERE'S AVAILABILITY, BUT HOW FAST CERTAIN THINGS ARE SELLING VERSUS HOW FAST OTHERS ARE SELLING. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE ALLOWED US TO REALLY RESPOND TO YOU AND YOU RESPONDED BACK.

I'M GOING TO SMILE AT YOU, SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN HARD.

I DIDN'T COME UP HERE TO GET A PIT IN MY STOMACH OR TO BE ANGRY AT ANYBODY, BUT I WANTED TO SAY PUBLICLY THANK YOU.

THE OTHER DEVELOPERS, THANK YOU GUYS BECAUSE WE'RE STILL LEARNING THIS BALL GAME.

WE'VE FALLEN DOWN, AND WE'VE SCRAPED OUR KNEES, AND WE'RE DUSTING THEM OFF AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET BETTER AND GET MORE FOCUSED ON.

NOW WE KNOW WHAT TO SAY, WHAT TO DO, WHAT TO CROSS, WHAT TO NOT BECAUSE WE'VE LEARNED FROM IT.

IT'S BEEN AN ARDUOUS TASK, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING A FRIEND.

>> THANKS, MAYOR.

>> EXCUSE ME. NO, YOU HAVE A COMMENT.

>> WE PERSONALLY MET IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND WE ARE GOOD.

THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP IN AFTER REVIEWING MULTIPLE MEETINGS OVER THE LAST TWO-AND-A-HALF YEARS FROM OUR SWAGGER SYSTEM, WHICH I WANT TO APPLAUD US FOR HAVING THAT SYSTEM, IT'S FANTASTIC.

I RE-WATCHED EVERY MEETING THAT HE CAME TO.

WHILE IT WAS THROWN OUT THERE ABOUT LOT SIZES, THERE WAS REALLY NOT SPECIFIC NUMBERS OR PERCENTAGES FOR HIM TO STEER IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.

IN AUGUST OF 2021, BEFORE THE PRELIMINARY FOR SECTION 3 AND 4 WAS BROUGHT TO US, HE DID COMMENT THAT THERE WOULD BE 11050S AND 9160S.

THEN THAT'S WHAT CAME WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAN AND THEN THAT'S WHAT CAME LATER ON.

THE OPTION TO EVER MEET THE WIDTHS OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NEVER VOCALIZED,

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BUT I THINK AS HAS BEEN SAID, THAT IT HAS BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS FOR EVERYONE.

I REALLY DO THINK THAT GOING FORWARD, COMMUNICATION IS KEY IN EVERYTHING TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ON OUR END TO REALLY FIGHT FOR WHAT WE THINK OUR CITIZENS NEED AND WANT AND BE VOCAL ABOUT IT SPECIFIC.

JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. I APOLOGIZE.

[LAUGHTER] BUT JUST TO TREAT PRELIMINARY PLOTS WHEN THEY'RE BROUGHT TO US, TREAT THEM AS FINAL EVERY TIME WHEN THEY COME TO US.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FINAL ONE BECAUSE LEGALLY, IF PRELIMINARY AND THEN THE FINAL BATCHES, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

LEGALLY, WE CAN'T TURN IT DOWN BECAUSE IT CROSSES ALL THE DOTS AND TEES AND HERE WE ARE.

>> THAT'S GOOD. GOOD THOUGHT. WELL, MR. FOLLY, NOBODY'S VOTED ON IT YET, BUT ASSUMING IT PASSES, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T MIND I GAVE YOU A HARD TIME.

I'M SERIOUS. I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY JOB.

>> YEAH. I DON'T BLAME YOU.

I DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST YOU.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE IF YOU THOUGHT MY QUESTIONS WERE TOO TOUGH.

I THINK I'VE BEEN FAIR WITH OUR QUESTIONS.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE ASKED YOU ANYTHING PERSONALLY INSULTING OR SLANDEROUS TOWARDS YOU OR YOUR COMPANY.

IT'S OUR JOB TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS. THAT'S MY OPINION.

MAYBE I JUST HOLD A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN THAT, BUT I THINK I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE RIGHT ANSWER THE BEST WE CAN.

I THINK YOU ARE WISE ENOUGH TO SEE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE LOTS IN WISHING YOU SUCCESS.

YOUR SUCCESS IS GOOD FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE CITY.

WHY WOULD I WANT ANYTHING BUT SUCCESS FOR YOU? I WANT YOU TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

I JUST HAVE A COMPLETE DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE LOTS AND WHAT THE LONG-TERM WILL DO TO THE CITY.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

>> I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE.

IT IS POSSIBLE TO BUILD A 1,536 SQUARE FOOT HOME ON A 60 WIDE LOT AND RAISE BABIES.

>> ABSOLUTELY. [LAUGHTER]

>> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

FIRST, I'LL SAY THANK YOU AGAIN.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND THAT WE HAVE JOBS TO DO UP HERE AND WE HAVE TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS, BUT SAME TIME, I HOLD NO ILL WILL.

ANYTIME YOU WANT TO CALL ME AND WE CAN HAVE A SIT DOWN AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT.

ARE YOU GOING TO STICK WITH THE SAME BUILDERS THROUGHOUT?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. LEANOR IS COMMITTED TO SECTIONS 3 AND OUR OTHER BUILDER, ANGLIA HAS WHAT WE CALL A TERM SHEET WHICH EXPRESSES THE LOT PRICING THAT WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM ON.

THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION OF WHY WE WANT TO SEPARATE THREE AND FOUR AND THE POTENTIAL THAT WE MIGHT JUST DO THEM TOGETHER.

BECAUSE IF ANGLIA SAYS, YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT AND THEY SIGN IT, THEN WE'LL JUST GO DEVELOP EVERYTHING AT ONCE.

>> MR. BOOTH, WERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING LITTLE WHILE AGO?

>> NOW I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE REWARD RANCH SECTIONS 3 AND 4.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GONGORA.

ANY FOR OUR DISCUSSION, HEARING, NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> AYE

>> THAT MOTION DOES CARRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG, ITEM NUMBER 7 DISCUSSION UPDATE

[7. Discussion and update on the Windrose Green Subdivision development project on the drainage and grading construction work. The subject site is in the City of Angleton ETJ and is located on the south side of FM 523 approximately 2,500 feet west of the FM 523/SH 35 intersection.]

ON WINDROSE GREEN SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PROJECT ON THE DRAINAGE AND GRADING CONSTRUCTION WORK.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND ETJ AND IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FM 523, APPROXIMATELY 2,500 FEET WEST OF FM 523 SOUTH HIGHWAY 35 INTERSECTION, MR. OTIS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AS YOU RECALL IN YOUR MEETING, APRIL 25TH, YOU CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THE WINDROSE GREEN SUBDIVISION SECTION 3, FINAL PLAT PENDING THE CONDITION THAT THE GRADING AND CONSTRUCTION WORK BEING I GUESS CURRENTLY PURSUED WOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN 10 WORKING DAYS.

THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU WITH NO ACTION REQUIRED.

THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING, BUT WE JUST WANTED THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO REALIZE THAT STAFF HAD BEEN WATCHING THIS.

THEY HAVE SINCE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH US VIA EMAIL,

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COPYING US ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND YOU CAN ROLL THE SLIDES IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN ON THE ATTACHMENTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SO THE STOCKPILES WERE OF COURSE REMOVED AND DEALT WITH IN TERMS OF THE GRADING, IN TERMS OF SLIDES SO THEY HAVE, OF COURSE, CERTIFIED THAT THE WORK IS COMPLETE.

THEY ARE COORDINATING, OF COURSE, SOME UTILITY ISSUES IN TERMS OF EASEMENTS THAT WILL BE COORDINATING WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND THE ENGINEER.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT STAFF AND THE ENGINEERING TEAM ARE WATCHING THIS DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY PROCEEDS ACCORDINGLY SO THE DRAINAGE IN TERMS OF THE CHURCH, IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS, THEY OF COURSE, ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CHURCH AND SOLVING THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU, SIR, THEY MOVED A HECK A LOT OF DIRT OVER THERE.

>> YES, SIR, AND OF COURSE, AROUND THE WEATHER.

>> YES, SIR BECAUSE THE PICTURE SHOWS FULLY DRY, AND HAD BEEN DRY LATELY AND THANK YOU ALL FOR STAYING ON TOP OF THEM AND MAKING SURE THEY WERE PROGRESSING AS ACCORDINGLY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

>> OTIS HAS TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

ONE, WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THE DIRT THAT THEY'RE PULLING OUT OF THE LAKESIDE? ARE WE EVER GOING TO CALL THAT THING IT'S JUST THE FREEDOM PARK LAKE. HOW'S THAT GOING?

>> IN TERMS OF FREEDOM PARK, WE OF COURSE WORK WITH THE CONTRACT IS TO ASSURE THAT HENDERSON ROAD WOULD NOT BE USED IN TERMS OF DIRT MOVEMENTS SO AS PART OF THEIR CERTIFYING THE 10-DAY CONDITION, THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, AND AGREE ON THAT THAT ROUTING WILL NOT OCCUR.

WE'RE COORDINATING ALL OF COURSE, WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

THERE ARE SOME DIRT MOVEMENT IN WHICH THEY'RE DONATING TO THE CITY SO WE'RE COORDINATING HOW TO GET THAT DIRT TO THE VARIOUS LOCATION IN TERMS OF THE RECREATIONAL FIELDS AND DIRT ON AND OFF OF THE PARK SITES.

>> I THINK CHRIS HAS AN UPDATE.

>> YES. WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM LAST WEEK WITH CONCOURSE AND SO THEY'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THEY'VE GOT ALL THE DIRT THEY NEED FOR THEIR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY HAVE EXCESS DIRT, PLAN A FOR THEM IS TO HAUL IT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT SITE AND JUST PUT IT ON BUILDUP THAT WHERE THE HOUSES ARE AND ALL THAT.

WE'VE ASKED THEM FOR THAT EXCESS DIRT FOR A BG PARK AND A COUPLE OF OTHER LAKESIDE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS, THE FIRING RANGE, AND THOSE THINGS.

WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS THAT IF THERE'S A COST TO BRING IT TO BG PARK AND NOT PUSH IT OUT, BUT JUST BRING IT AND DUMP IT ON THE FIELD AND THEN WE'LL GRADE IT LATER.

IF THEY COULD DO THAT AND WHAT THE COST OF THE CITY WOULD BE AND THAT SHOULD BE CHEAPER THAN IF WE JUST SAID WE WANTED TO CONTRACT FROM DIRT FROM THREE BIDS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO HAUL IT FROM HOUSTON AND WE'RE BUYING DIRT, THE DIRT IS FREE [NOISE] SO MAYBE WE'RE PAYING THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DISTANCE FROM FREEDOM PARK TO THE DEVELOPMENT FROM FREEDOM PARK TO BG PARK OR AUSTIN TOWN OR SOMETHING.

WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION NEXT 30 DAYS BECAUSE OTHERWISE AUTOMATICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO START PULLING IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLACING IT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, THERE MIGHT BE A COST.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S DIRT FOR BG PARK, WHICH IS SHORT AND LONG-TERM GOAL FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE SO I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN COST AND WE'LL COMPARE IT TO WHAT? AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A CONTRACTOR IF WE JUST WENT OUT AND SAID WE WANTED THE DIRT AND BOUGHT IT AND HAD IT ALL TO US.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE ONE THEY CAN COMPLETE DIGGING OVER THERE ON THAT POND? I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE AROUND RANCHO WHO THEIR KIDS LIKE TO GO FISHING OVER THERE AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN TOLD THEY COULDN'T GO OVER THERE AND IT WAS ALL CORDONED OFF AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN IS THAT GOING TO BE OVER.

>> THAT'S AN ANSWER THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU THIS EVENING YES, SIR.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GET YOUR ANSWER BACK.

>> THEN, SPEAKING TO RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ALONG HENDERSON, THEY'RE FURIOUS.

THEY SAID THAT ROAD IS TORN UP NOW.

DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIX IT?

>> YES, WE'VE CONVEYED WITH THE GENTLEMAN YOU'VE SEEN LAST WEEK ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND THEY ARE BEING VERY COOPERATIVE.

THEY REALIZED THAT DAMAGES HAVE BEEN INCURRED AND WE'LL BE WORKING OUT THOSE DETAILS ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL.

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>> EVEN THE NEW AREA THAT THEY'VE JUST PUT THOSE UNDERGROUND PIPES ON CULVERTS DRIVE, OVER IT, IT'S ALREADY MESSED UP.

>> THEY PAID FOR THAT. I GOT AN EARFUL FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER THERE AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

>> THEY'D BEEN PUT ON NOTICE AND THEY REALIZE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CONTRIBUTION IN TERMS OF PARTICIPATING IN THE CORRECT WHAT'S BEEN AFFECTED. THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANT TO ASK A PREEMPTIVE QUESTION.

ONCE THEY GET ALL THIS DONE AND THEY COME BACK WITH THE FINAL PLAT, LEGALLY ARE WE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE ARE, OR WE'RE WITH THE RIVERWOOD RANCH THAT IT MEETS ALL THE CHECKS?

>> I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PHASES BECAUSE THAT WAS SECTION 3 WAS ACTUALLY A FINAL PLAN.

>> THAT WAS THE FINAL BUT DID WE VOTE?

>> YES, YOU VOTED FOR THE TWO APPROVAL.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> YOU APPROVED IT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND WHAT OTIS IS TELLING YOU NOW.

>> OTIS CAN YOU LET US KNOW WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS ON HENDERSON ROAD SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE.

>> YES. WE WILL UPDATE THE COUNCIL ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A PUBLIC CONCERN AS YOU STATED, AND DEFINITELY A CONCERN OF PUBLIC WORKS AND THE CITY MANAGER.

>> CHRIS, THIS IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE EXCAVATED ALL THE DIRT OUT OF THAT FREEDOM PARK POND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT? THERE WAS A PURPOSE FOR THEM DIGGING THAT POND OUT SO THEY COULD GET IT OFF DIRT TO RAISE A LEVEL THEIR GROUND OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY USED A MORE STRENUOUS STORM PREDICTION.

>> LET ME SEE IF I SAY THIS RIGHT.

THEY ARE ALMOST DONE EXCAVATING ALL THE DIRT THEY NEED FOR THEIR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY STILL HAVE TO EXCAVATE DIRT FOR THE DETENTION RETENTION PORTION OF THAT POND.

BUT THAT IS ACCESS TO THEIR CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THEY BROUGHT THAT TO OUR ATTENTION AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASKED HOW WE CAN GET THAT DIRT FOR WELL NEEDED CITY PROJECTS LIKE PG PARK.

>> THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT WRINKLE, BUT GOOD.

>> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT COUNCIL MEMBER.

IF YOU ALL RECALL, THE DETENTION POND WAS ACTUALLY BIGGER AT ONE TIME BECAUSE THEY NEEDED THE DIRT FOR ALL THAT DIRT ON A BIGGER DETENTION POND.

THEY REDUCED THE DETENTION POND SIZE DOWN AND INCREASED SOME OF THE DETENTION OVER THERE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

I THINK THEY GOT A LITTLE MORE THAN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE OUT OF THOSE DETENTION PONDS AND THEN ALSO FROM CUTTING THE ROADS DOWN, ONCE THEY GOT IN THERE AND STARTED REALLY MOVING THAT DIRT.

BUT AS CHRIS SAID, THEY HAVE GOT THE DIRT AND SHAPED IN, HITTING THE GREAT ELEVATIONS, THERE IS AN EXCESS, AND STAFF IS WORKING WITH THEM ON GETTING COST TO MOVE THAT TO THE IDENTIFIED AREAS.

>> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT.

THEY TOLD US X, AND THEY ARE LIKE, WELL, IT'S BETWEEN X AND Y, AND WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE UNTIL THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SIZE AND DEPTH AND ALL THAT STAFF.

>> THE AGREEMENT WAS TO GET A POND DUG FOR OUR BENEFIT, AND THEY WERE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THE DIRT.

NOW THERE'S MORE DIRT IN THERE THAN THEY NEED.

>> BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE DETENTION, THEY HAVE TO HIT THAT VOLUME, SO THAT DIRT HAS TO BE MOVED OUT.

IT'S NOT THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DIG A POND FOR THE CITY, THAT'S PART OF THE WORKING DRAINING SYSTEM OUT THERE THAT WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THAT AREA OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN ONCE IT'S COMPLETED.

>> WELL, ARE THEY JUST DOWN IN THE SUGAR SAND NOW OR THERE'S A MIXTURE OF SAND AND CLAY THAT THEY HAVE TO EXCAVATE OR CAN YOU EVEN ADDRESS THAT?

>> I CAN'T ADDRESS THAT PART RIGHT NOW.

I COULD LOOK INTO THAT THOUGH, I HADN'T BEEN ON THE SITE IN A WHILE.

>> I'D LIKE YOU LOOK INTO THAT, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT DIRT FOR PUTTING ON THE SOCCER FIELDS BECAUSE I'D HATE FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT HOLDS MORE WATER.

>> IT'D BE FINE FOR THAT APPLICATION.

I THINK SIS WAS TALKING MORE ON DEVELOPMENT AND LEVELING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, MOVEMENT.

>> OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE USING WHAT THEY NO LONGER NEED AT A COST THAT'S PROBABLY IS GOOD AS IF NOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE CAN DO ON HER OWN, THEN OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WOULD BE TOO HARD TO NOT TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT DOING JUST THAT.

IN USE THE 30-DAY TIMELINE OR TIME LIMIT, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE I WOULD THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT DIRT DOWN ON BG PARK

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AND HAVE IT PLAYABLE BY SEPTEMBER YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT IT DOWN PROBABLY NO LATER THAN JUNE FOR THE GRASS TO NATURALLY COME IN, OTHERWISE YOU'LL HAVE TO SEED IN.

THOSE FIELDS THERE IF YOU'RE EVER OUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME LOW SPOTS THAT DEFINITELY NEED TO BE RAISED.

BUT OTHERWISE OUR FACILITIES WOULD RANK PRETTY HIGH, PROBABLY WITH MUCH BIGGER MUNICIPALITIES AS FAR AS ACTUALLY PLAYING CONDITIONS.

THE FIELDS ARE VERY WELL KEPT AND THE CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS AT THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION DO A VERY GOOD JOB, IT'S BEEN ELEVATED.

ALL THOSE PEOPLE WORKING TOO HARD, I DON'T WANT TO DISCREDIT ANYBODY BECAUSE VOLUNTEERS.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT I MEAN.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING IS WE COULD GET THAT DIRT WITHIN 30 DAYS, BUT THEN IT STILL GOT TO BE GRADED.

WE STILL GOT TO DO THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS TO GET THE WATER OFF THE FIELD.

THERE COULD BE AN OPERATIONAL RISK TO SOCCER FOR A SEASON UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT.

BECAUSE YOU GRADE IT AND YOU [NOISE] GOT TO SEED IT, ALL THOSE THINGS.

I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE RIGHT NOW.

>> YOU ALL MAY WANT TO DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE I'D HATE TO LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> EVEN IF IT'S STOCKPILING THE DIRT AND SAND, WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SEASON I THINK IT'S STILL WORTH IT.

>> YEAH, SURE. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE OUTLETS SOUTH WEST CORNER IS UNOCCUPIED AND USUALLY NOT USED.

THERE'S NO FIELD RIGHT NOW IS SOME TREES THAT PROBABLY NEED TO GET CUT DOWN AND PROBABLY NEED TO PLANT SOME NEW ONES OUT THERE IN THAT CORNER, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ROTTING.

BUT I COULD SEE HOW YOU COULD TELL THEY STORE IT THERE AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY CONFIGURED, RUN TRUCKS BACK TO THAT CORNER WITHOUT RUNNING OVER THE CURRENT FIELDS.

>> YOU WOULDN'T RUN UP ANY CURRENT FIELD.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CUT ACROSS THE FIELD, THERE IS A GATE THERE TOO.

>> BUT AGAIN, THAT'S AN INCREASED COST POTENTIALLY.

IF YOU DUMP IT ON THE FIELD AND GRADE IT, YOU DUMP INTO A PILE, THEN YOU GOT TO REMOVE IT AND THEN GRADE IT.

>> I THINK THE REAL EXCESS COST IS TRUCKING IT.

WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF OUR OWN EQUIPMENT TO GET A FRONT END LOADER OVER THERE [OVERLAPPING] AND DROP IT ON A FIELD.

>> THEY KNOW WHEN YOU GET THIS STARTED.

NO, I'M NO EXPERT ON THIS AND DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I'M GOING HERE.

[LAUGHTER] I WOULD THINK YOU COULD GET SOME OF THE FIELDS DONE BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. MAYBE NOT EVERY FIELD.

AS THE ONES YOU JUST STORE FOR AFTER THE SEASON.

LET'S GO DOWN IN SPRING OR LATE WINTER.

BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF FIELDS THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT IT ON IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THEY NEED IT.

THEY WOULD JUST BE THE ONES THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THEN JUST FROM TIME TRYING TO.

>> AS THIS DEVELOPS WE'LL COME BACK AND CREATE A PLAN AND GET SOME DECISIONS IF WE NEED DECISIONS FOR WHEN WE NEED.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, LIKE MAYBE IT IN PHASES.

MAYBE A COUPLE OF FIELDS, THIS ONE SEASON AND A COUPLE OF FIELDS AND NEXT SEASON WHICH AT LEAST HAVE THE DATA READY THERE.

THEY CAN ALTER THEIR SCHEDULE BASED HOME FIELD AVAILABILITY BASED ON YOU DOING IMPROVEMENTS.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR MR. OTIS ON ITEM 7? THANK YOU, MR. OTIS.