1. Administer Oath of Office to Terry Roberts, Council Member, Position 3 by Angleton Municipal Court Alternate Judge Mark Jones.

[6. Hold the required annual Public Hearing to receive comments regarding the 2023 Standards of Care for youth recreational programs the Angleton Parks and Recreation Department will operate. Discussion and possible action on Ordinance No. 20230613-006 amending and adopting the 2023 Standards of Care for Youth Programs by revising Chapter 17 – Parks and Recreation, Article 1. – In Genera, Section 17-3 Standards of care for youth recreational programs.]

PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER SIX HOLD THE REQUIRED ANNUAL PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING THE 2023 STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS. THE CITY ANGLETON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WILL OPERATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20230613006.

AMENDING AND ADOPTING THE 2023 STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS BY REVISING CHAPTER 17 PARKS AND RECREATION, ARTICLE ONE AND GENERAL SECTION 17 DASH THREE STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS. MEGAN. YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO ADOPT AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON ANNUALLY FOR OUR SUMMER PROGRAMS AND PROGRAMS THAT WE HOLD THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO IT ESTABLISHES STANDARDS OF CARE TO THE PARENTS FOR EACH OF THE PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS.

AND THE IT INCLUDES ITEMS LIKE MINIMUM MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENT RATIOS, STAFF QUALIFICATIONS, SAFETY STANDARDS WITHIN OUR FACILITY. THERE IS A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT ARE LISTED THERE.

SO I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY REGARDING THE REVISIONS.

WOULD YOU LIKE US TO GO ON A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST? THAT'S FINE. OKAY.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

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SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, ANYTHING, COME AND PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME. SECOND CALL ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS? MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO GO FIRST? FEEL FREE. OKAY.

THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS SOME PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY WONDERING WHAT.

WHAT DO WHAT PROGRAMS ARE THESE COVERING? SURE. SO RELATION TO LITTLE LEAGUE AND SOCCER AND SOFTBALL, RIGHT? NO, THESE ARE TYPICALLY THE ONES THAT ORIGINALLY LET ME BACK UP.

HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE FIRST ADOPTED THESE IN 2021, WE DID NOT HAVE STANDARDS OF CARE IN PLACE AND WE NEEDED TO HAVE THEM IN PLACE IN ORDER TO OPERATE OUR SUMMER JAMBOREE PROGRAM.

SO THAT WAS AN ALL DAY SUMMER CAMP.

MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.

WE HAD THE CHILDREN OF VARIOUS AGES.

YOU HAVE HERE AGES 5 TO 13 IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE SERVED IN SUMMER JAMBOREE.

WHILE WE DON'T CURRENTLY SERVE SOME SUMMER JAMBOREE THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE DO PROVIDE ALTERNATE OFFERINGS OF OTHER SUMMER PROGRAMING.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, JUST THIS WEEK WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SUMMER PROGRAMS GOING ON, SO IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THE PARENTS ARE INFORMED OF THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT WE PUT IN PLACE.

WE'RE ADOPTING STANDARDS AS IT RELATES TO OUR INSTRUCTOR AND PARTICIPANT RATIO.

JUDITH, ARE THERE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU.

THINK NEED TO BE CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE FROM 2021 TO TO THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE SAFETY INSPECTIONS OF THE FACILITIES.

YEAH, BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE STATE REQUIREMENT TO DO THIS ALLEVIATES THE NEED TO GO THROUGH A SEPARATE LICENSING PROCESS. SO.

I MEAN, IT'S IT BENEFITS THE CITY IN THE LONG RUN AND IT BENEFITS THE PARENTS OF ANY OF THE.

PARTICIPATING BECAUSE IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT THE SAFETY MEASURES ARE.

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN WRITING.

SO IT'S FORCING CITIES TO DO THINGS THAT THEY PROBABLY SHOULD DO ANYWAY.

OKAY. AND I THINK IT ALSO DOES CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JUDITH DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN A CARE FACILITY LIKE A DAYCARE FACILITY AND AND PROGRAMING THAT A MUNICIPALITY IS OFFERING THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

COUNCIL. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ELECTION OF MAYOR PRO TEM TO SERVE A ONE YEAR TERM.

[7. Discussion and possible action on the election of Mayor pro-tem to serve a one-year term.]

COUNCIL. ANY NOMINATIONS.

THE MAYOR. I NOMINATE TRAVIS TOWNSEND FOR MAYOR PRO TEM.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND OR A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN.

COUNCILMAN GONGORA A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL FOR TRAVIS TOWNSEND FOR MAYOR PRO TEM.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

SAME SIGN. CONGRATULATIONS, TRAVIS.

LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.

LESS. PAY MORE HOURS.

YEAH. SEND THOSE CHECKS YOUR WAY.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT PRESENTATION UPDATE AND DISCUSSION BY BRAD SPORT WATER AUTHORITY ON THE CURRENT AND FUTURE AREA SURFACE WATER SUPPLY AND STORAGE.

[8. Presentation, update and discussion by Brazosport Water Authority (BWA) on the current and future area surface water supply and storage.]

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS. STAFF IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ALL AGAIN.

SOME OF YOU ALL I KNOW FAIRLY WELL, OTHERS CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING ON COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. I HAVE TIM FINDLEY WITH DOW CHEMICAL HERE WITH ME.

AND WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER SOME ITEMS ABOUT THE BRAZOS RIVER, THE FLOW TO STORAGE, A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A IN A HURRY.

BE HONEST. BW THE DOW AND THE LOCAL INDUSTRIES CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT TWO MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE STORED IN THE HARRISON BRAZORIA

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RESERVOIR. THE STATE OF TEXAS ENDOWED MODELING ALL RECOMMEND WE SHOULD HAVE AROUND SIX MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE.

SO WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT IN 2002, FROM MAY TO SEPTEMBER, THE WATER MASTER ON THE BRAZOS ACTUALLY CURTAILED THE WATER RIGHTS FOR EVERYBODY.

WITH 1960 AND UP WATER RIGHTS.

BW WAS WATER RIGHTS ARE 1960.

WE SURVIVED FOR THOSE FIVE MONTHS USING DOW RESERVE WATER, BASICALLY SPOT WATER THAT THEY PURCHASE UPSTREAM FROM BRE AND TIM WILL EXPLAIN WHAT BOUGHT WATER IS HERE IN A FEW MINUTES.

AND IF IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN FOR THAT WE WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN IN A BIND.

WE'VE GOT ALONG WITH THAT FOR YEARS AND THAT SPOT WATER IS BECOMING MORE DIFFICULT TO GET.

IN FACT, DOW ONLY GOT HALF THIS YEAR OF WHAT THEY HAD LAST YEAR.

SO BOTTOM LINE IS.

BW THE DOW, ALL THE INDUSTRY'S DOWN ALONG THE BRAZOS AND THE BRAZOS PORT AREA NEED WATER TO OPERATE AND TO SURVIVE. OUR CITIES NEED IT.

WITHOUT WITHOUT THAT WATER, OUR LOCAL ECONOMY WOULD FAIL.

IT'D BE A PROBLEM.

SOME CITIES HAVE BACK UP WELLS SUCH AS ANGLETON, BUT I THINK 2011 SHOWED EVERYBODY JUST HOW LONG YOU CAN DEPEND ON THAT BACKUP.

WELL, WATER BECAUSE THE AQUIFER IS GOING TO DROP.

WELLS ARE GOING TO FAIL AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN DIRE STRAITS.

I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU CAN ONLY GO INTO WATER CONSERVATION SO MUCH CITY OF BRAZORIA KNOWS FIRSTHAND WHAT IT MEANS NOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE WATER.

THEY HAD SEVERAL INCIDENTS LAST YEAR WITH MAIN BREAKS AND THINGS WHERE THEY WERE WITHOUT WATER FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

IT MEANT CLOSING BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS.

PEOPLE HAD TO DEPEND ON BOTTLED WATER.

THERE WAS NO SHOWERS, NO TOILET FLUSHING.

SO IT WAS A MAJOR THING.

AND IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR CITIZENS GO THROUGH.

SO I'M GOING TO LET TIM COME UP.

DID Y'ALL GET THE SLIDES? YES. OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO. OKAY.

THE NEXT SLIDE. THE NEXT.

TIM WILL GO OVER THIS SLIDE WITH Y'ALL NEXT.

YEAH. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS MAYBE I'LL JUST TOUCH ON REAL QUICK AS WE KIND OF OPEN UP TO THIS THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.

ONE THING I TEND TO KIND OF REINFORCE WITH PEOPLE IS OFTENTIMES PEOPLE SAY DOW HAS THE MOST SENIOR WATER RIGHTS IN THE BRAZOS BASIN.

AND I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY EXACTLY TRUE.

DOW HAS A KIND OF A FEW DIFFERENT WATER RIGHTS.

THEY HAVE A ONE THAT WE PURCHASED THAT'S A 1926 DATE.

AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF OUR WATER RIGHTS HAVE A 1942 PRIORITY DATE.

WHEN WE GOT THAT WATER RIGHT IN 1942, THERE HAD ALREADY BEEN SOMETHING LIKE 800,000 ACRE FOOT OF WATER RIGHTS ISSUED IN THE BRAZOS BASIN.

AND THAT PARTICULAR WATER RIGHT WAS CONTESTED AT THE WATER BOARD AT THE TIME SAYING, HEY, IT WASN'T GOING TO BE RELIABLE ENOUGH TO BE RELIED ON FOR SUPPLY IN IN THE HISTORY OF RECORD KIND OF FLOWS IN THE BRAZOS.

THERE'S 2 OR 3 YEARS IN THE IN THE RECORD WHERE IN THE WHOLE YEAR THERE'S ONLY ABOUT A MILLION ACRE FOOT.

AND SO THERE WAS A BASIS TO PROTEST THAT RIGHT AT THE TIME THAT IN A SERIES OF MONTHS, ROUGHLY 6% OF THE MONTHS ON RECORD, THERE'S NOT ANY FLOW OUT THERE IN THE RIVER.

AND SO THAT SPECIFIC WATER.

RIGHT AND REALLY JUST ABOUT EVERY WATER RIGHT IN THE BRAZOS BASIN RELIES ON SOME TAKE KIND OF THE INTERMITTENT OR THE VARIABLE FLOW OF THE BRAZOS AND TURN IT INTO A RELIABLE SUPPLY TO USE.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF HISTORY AROUND THAT.

AND WE SPENT THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION, THE DATA, YOU KNOW, WHY WE WERE SEEING KIND OF KIND OF POST THE 1990 TIME FRAME, A LOT MORE INTERRUPTED ERUPTION IN SUPPLY.

AND SOME OF THAT REALLY TRANSLATES TO POPULATIONS GROWING UP UNTIL ABOUT 2007, VRA USED TO RELEASE WHAT WAS CALLED HYDROPOWER GENERATION OUT OF LAKE OR OUT OF POSSUM KINGDOM.

AND THE IMPACT OF THAT HYDROPOWER GENERATION WAS IT WOULD CREATE SUMMERTIME FLOW AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THERE WAS A RIVER.

AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY COVERING UP WHAT WHAT WAS THIS KIND OF NATURAL GAP IN RELIABILITY OF THE NATURAL FLOW.

AND SO SINCE REALLY ABOUT 2009, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN VERY AWARE THAT WHEN THE BRAZOS RIVER DECIDES IT WANTS TO STOP, THERE'S NO WATER AT ALL OUT THERE.

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AND IN 2009, I GOT A PICTURE OF ME WALKING THROUGH THE BRAZOS JUST UPSTREAM OF 1462, AND I WASN'T WET MUCH ABOVE MY ANKLES AND I COULD JUMP ACROSS IT. AND SO YOU'RE LARGELY OVER 4 OR 5 TIMES SINCE 2009.

WE SPENT MULTIPLE MONTHS IN THE SUMMER BASICALLY RELEASING CONTRACT WATER OUT OF STORAGE UPSTREAM.

NOW THE REALITY OF THE MATTER IS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTRACTING FOR ISN'T A PARTICULARLY RELIABLE LONG TERM SUPPLY.

WE DO HAVE SOME CONTRACT WATER THAT THAT IS RELIABLE BY ABOUT A MONTH'S WORTH.

SO BETWEEN THE TWO EXISTING RESERVOIRS, THERE'S TWO MONTHS AND WE HAVE ONE MORE MONTH THAT'S REALLY RELIABLE.

THAT GETS US TO THREE MONTHS WORTH OF RELIABLE STORAGE.

YOU KNOW, WE ESTIMATE THAT IN ALL TOTAL WE MAY NEED AS MUCH AS 8 TO 10 MONTHS.

AND SO THERE IS THIS VERY SIGNIFICANT GAP.

WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE IN THIS CHART, KIND OF IN THE BLUE KIND OF SMALL, HARD TO READ FIELD, IS A SUMMARY OF RELIABILITY MODELING THAT WE'VE DONE.

AND THERE'S TO BE HONEST, THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF WORK BEHIND KIND OF THAT CHART.

WHAT THAT CHART REALLY DEPICTS IS KIND OF THAT LOCALLY HOW ALL THE LOCAL INDUSTRY AND ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES TOGETHER NEED ROUGHLY 170,000 ACRE FOOT WORTH OF WATER TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING TO MEET LOCAL SUPPLIES AND KEEP BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRY RUNNING.

WHAT YOU SEE IN THE WHITE THAT KIND OF DROPS DOWN OFF THAT TOP BAR IS THOSE ARE MONTHS WHEN THE RIVER JUST ISN'T GOING TO SUPPLY THAT WATER.

SO SO ROUGHLY 15 TIMES OVER 100 YEAR PERIOD, YOU COULD EXPECT TO HAVE AN EVENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD GO AS LONG AS SIX MONTHS WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE WATER TO OPERATE.

AND THAT'S INDUSTRY CITY'S KIND OF EVERYTHING DOWN HERE.

WE ARE CLOSING THAT GAP BY CONTRACTING FOR WHAT'S TAKEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FORMS SINCE ABOUT 1990 AND THE 90S IT WAS CALLED SPOT WATER AND THEN IT WAS CALLED ONE YEAR INTERRUPTIBLE WATER.

AND THEN FOR A WHILE WE WERE BUYING IT AS FIVE YEAR INTERRUPTIBLE WATER AND NOW THAT FIVE YEAR INTERRUPTIBLE WATER IS NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE.

AND SO WE'RE UP AND DOWN THE RIVER TRYING TO GET WHAT WE'RE CALLING REASSIGNMENT CONTRACTS.

WHAT THAT AMOUNTS TO IS VRA IS CALCULATING.

THEY HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF EXCESS STORAGE AND THEIR WATER THAT'S ALREADY SOLD AND COMMITTED TO OTHERS AND WE'RE BUYING THAT FOR NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN KIND OF COVER THESE EVENTS.

SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT'S.

REALLY ESSENTIAL THAT WE WORK AND THAT WE WORK WITH THE CITIES TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A MUCH MORE RELIABLE WAY TO SUPPLY THAT STORAGE.

THE LITTLE FIGURE OVER TO THE RIGHT KIND OF DESCRIBES THAT SAME DATA IN A DIFFERENT FORM.

YET THAT GRAPH IS KIND OF ALMOST LIKE AN INSURANCE QUALITY PROBABILITY DISTRIBUTION.

AND IT LARGELY SAYS, HEY, WITHOUT ACTION, OUR WATER SUPPLY IS ROUGHLY 95% RELIABLE.

BUT THAT THAT GAP IN RELIABILITY TRANSLATES TO LOTS OF MONTHS AND LOTS OF YEARS.

AND IT ALSO SAYS, TO BE HONEST, THAT NO AMOUNT OF CONSERVATION IS GOING TO SAVE US.

AND THE WAY I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS IF I HAVE THREE MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE AND I NEED NINE, YOU KNOW, I CAN CUT MY USE BY 50% AND I STILL CAN'T GET THERE. AND SO, AGAIN, IT BECOMES REALLY ESSENTIAL THAT WE TAKE SOME FORM OF ACTION.

SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE IN THE DECK.

SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING NOW SINCE ROUGHLY 2011 WHEN WE BOUGHT 2200 ACRES NORTH OF EXISTING HARRIS TO PUT TOGETHER PLANS TO BUILD A 50,000 ACRE FOOT RESERVOIR.

YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT AS THREE SQUARE MILES OF WATER WITH A LEVEE AROUND IT AND WATER ABOUT 30 FOOT DEEP.

YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF EARTH AND FREEBOARD ABOVE THAT AND A CONCRETE WAVE WALL ABOVE THAT.

AND SO RELATIVE TO OUR EXISTING HARRIS AND BRAZORIA, THE RESERVOIR HAS ALMOST THE SAME KIND OF PHYSICAL FOOTPRINT, BUT THE WATER IS SIGNIFICANTLY DEEPER.

AND THAT'S HOW WE CAN GET FOUR MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE IN THIS, EVEN AS WE ONLY HAVE TWO MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE IN BOTH THE EXISTING RESERVOIRS.

THE LITTLE CHART KIND OF IN THE UPPER.

RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THAT FIGURE UP THERE IS THE SAME CHART BEFORE, BUT WHAT YOU SEE IS KIND OF THE BLUE FIELDS COLORED IN WITH MEDIUM BLUE AND DARK BLUE.

THE MEDIUM BLUE IS THE IMPACT OF THE RESERVOIR, KIND OF CLOSING UP THOSE GAPS OR RISK.

AND THEN THE DARKER BLUE IS SOME ADDITIONAL CONTRACT, LONG TERM CONTRACT WATER WE'VE BEEN BEEN ABLE TO GET.

AND THEN THE FIGURE DOWN BELOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT WITH THOSE ACTIONS, THE WATER SUPPLY IS 99.6%.

AND NOW JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONSERVATION GETS US TO 100%.

BAKED INTO ALL OF THIS IS REALLY NOT EXPRESSLY WATER FOR GROWTH.

IT IS REALLY JUST TAKEN THE ROUGHLY 100,000 ACRE FOOT WORTH OF WATER WE COLLECTIVELY USE OFF THE BRAZOS AND MAKING SURE THERE'S ENOUGH STORAGE TO TO MAKE IT RELIABLE.

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AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO RONNIE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF THE PROJECT WE'RE DOING AND FUNDING ASPECTS OF IT.

DOW AND VW HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR A WHILE ON THIS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO FIRM UP THIS WATER SUPPLY.

WE WENT WITH DOW AND FORMED THE BRAZOSPORT WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION IS THE CORPORATION THAT THE BWR CONTROLS.

WE HAVE THREE BOARD MEMBERS, DOW HAS TWO.

THIS RESERVOIR, WHEN IT BUILT, WOULD BE 15% OWNED BY BWR, 85% OWNED BY DOW, WHICH WOULD GIVE US OUR DESIRED AMOUNT OF STORAGE.

WOULD IT LIKE EVERYTHING? IT COMES A COST TO IT.

I MEAN, IT IS A COST.

WE BY WORKING IN A P3 TYPE THING, A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WE'RE GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE TO GO TO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND TRY AND GET.

SWIFT FUNDING LOWER INTEREST RATE AT SUBSIDIZED AND IT THE CHEAPEST RIGHT NOW IT'S THE CHEAPEST MONEY OUT THERE SO WE'RE WORKING WITH WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD ON THAT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS WHAT WE'RE PREDICTING.

THE CWA PORTION OF THIS WOULD BE IT'S ABOUT A 15 CENT INCREASE.

UH, FOR FOUR YEARS.

AND THEN THERE'LL BE THERE'LL BE ANOTHER THREE YEARS AT $0.16 AND THE LAST YEAR WOULD BE $0.09 INCREASE.

TOTALS $1.17.

OVER AN EIGHT YEAR PERIOD.

TOTAL IF YOU KNEW THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD OF 5000 GALLONS.

A MONTH FOR WATER.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT LESS THAN $6.

ABOUT $5.80 A MONTH.

WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.

UM, SO FAR, THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY WE CAN DO IT.

WE HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT TRYING TO FIND GRANT MONEY RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S A HARD THING TO DO.

HARD TO GET ANYTHING.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, HARD TO GET ANYTHING THROUGH WASHINGTON AT THE MOMENT.

BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY.

BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THE.

THE BEST THE BEST WAY FOR US TO FUND THIS WOULD BE WITH TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS A IS THE PROJECT SCHEDULE.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO GET INTO.

WE NEED TO. WE'VE GOT A DOWELS ALREADY DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS.

AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DOWEL FOR SEVERAL YEARS TRYING TO WORK AND WORK THIS OUT.

A LOT OF LAWYERS, A LOT OF ENGINEERS, A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.

TIM, YOU WANT TO. YEAH, MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE SCHEDULE.

SO, SO I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS REALLY IN EARNEST SINCE ABOUT 2011.

YOU KNOW, WE ENDED UP GETTING A COUPLE OF BILLS PASSED TO BUY THE LAND INITIALLY FOR JUST THE RESERVOIR FOOTPRINT AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL CHUNK ALONG OYSTER CREEK, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF HELP FACILITATE THE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, IN ROUGHLY 2015, WE STARTED WORKING ON US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMITTING, AND WE THINK WE'RE EXPECTING A FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT PUBLISHED IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER IN ABOUT A WEEK AND A WEEK AND A HALF OR SO.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE LARGEST PERMITTING HURDLE THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET THROUGH.

WE AS WELL ARE WORKING ON A DAM SAFETY PERMIT.

WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY HANDLED FLOODPLAIN PERMITS WITH THE COUNTY.

AND SO THE NEXT KIND OF BIG MILESTONE IS REALLY WORKING THROUGH THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO KIND OF GET ALL THE DUCKS IN A ROW AROUND THE FINANCING, THE PAPERWORK, THE CONTRACTING TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD.

OUR GOAL REALLY IS OVER KIND OF THE BALANCE OF THE REST OF THIS YEAR TO GET ALL OF THAT CONTRACTING AND INFORMATION IN PLACE AND WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD KIND OF AGREEING TO HOW THE PROJECT WOULD BE STRUCTURED AND FINANCED AND AND PROCEED.

AND WE END UP PUTTING IN A PRE-APPLICATION FOR SWIFT FUND IN FEBRUARY AND A FINAL APPLICATION IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR WITH THE INTENT OF TRYING TO DO CONTRACT SIGNING NEXT AUGUST.

IF WE CAN DO THAT, THE THE FUNDS TO START THE RESERVOIR CONSTRUCTION IN EARNEST WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN FIRST QUARTER 25 WITH ROUGHLY A THREE YEAR CONSTRUCTION WINDOW AND THE PROJECT COMPLETING IN 2028.

FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WE ARE ALREADY HANGING OUT.

WE SAW LAST SUMMER WAS A DROUGHT YEAR, MAYBE NOT AN EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT YEAR.

A LOT OF FOLKS DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT WAS A DROUGHT YEAR.

AND YET, YOU KNOW, IT WAS WATER SUPPLY GOT CUT OFF FOR FIVE MONTHS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

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BRAS RESERVOIRS DROPPED FROM 100% TO 75, WHICH LARGELY KIND OF PUT THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY COULDN'T MAKE INTERRUPTIBLE WATER AVAILABLE THIS YEAR.

AND SO WE GO INTO THIS YEAR, THIS SUMMER, WITH ROUGHLY HALF OF THE STORED WATER RESERVES THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR.

NOW, I'M PRETTY OPTIMISTIC.

WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF WET SPRING.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT'LL BE KIND OF LATE IN THE SUMMER OR MID TO LATE SUMMER BEFORE WE GET INTO RELEASING STORAGE.

SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THE, SAY, 40,000 ACRE FOOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS YEAR WILL LAST IN THE KIND OF WEATHER PLAYS IN OUR FAVOR, BUT COULD JUST AS EASILY TURN THE OTHER DIRECTION AND WE'D ALREADY BE TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULD BE SHUTTING THINGS DOWN.

AND SO FROM FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, FROM AN INDUSTRIAL PERSPECTIVE, WE SEE THIS AS PRETTY URGENT AND REALLY THINK THAT THAT RIPPLES KIND OF INTO THE COMMUNITIES AS WELL.

ONE OTHER THING I'D PUT OUT THERE FOR YOU TO BE CONSCIOUS OR AWARE OF IS THAT GROWTH IN BRAZORIA COUNTY IS STRONG.

I THINK YOU GUYS APPRECIATE IT HERE.

I THINK I'VE HEARD HEARD LOTS ABOUT GROWTH IN ANGLETON AND GROWTH DEMANDS.

A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING UP ARE PUTTING WELLS IN THE GROUND, TAPPING GROUNDWATER TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S REALLY ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE BRAZORIA COUNTY GETS INTO A GROUNDWATER SUBSIDENCE ISSUE, WHICH THEN PUTS SOME CONSTRAINTS ON EVEN HOW HARD WE CAN TAP GROUNDWATER TO BACK THINGS UP.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING AND KIND OF HEARING US OUT.

APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION.

AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BE HAPPY TO TRY AND FIELD THEM.

WORK REALLY HARD TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION AND BE VERY TRANSPARENT IN WHAT WE'RE SHARING WITH FOLKS.

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THIS PROJECT IS BIG ENOUGH THAT NEITHER BWR NOR DOW WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT BY THEMSELVES.

IT'S GOT TO BE A PARTNERSHIP.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT BWR AND THE CITIES DOWN HERE COULD AFFORD TO DO THIS WITHOUT DOW'S PARTICIPATION.

AND DOW SAID THEY HAVE THE SAME ISSUES.

SO THIS HAS GOT TO BE A TRUE COMMUNITY PROJECT.

AND ONE THING I GUESS WE HAVE SHARED WITH FOLKS A LITTLE BIT ON THE DAO SIDE IS THE PROJECT ALL TOTALS FROM A WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD PERSPECTIVE, ABOUT $750 MILLION.

AND SO IT REPRESENTS A PRETTY GOOD CASH FLOW TO KIND OF GET IT REPAID FROM A DAO PERSPECTIVE.

WE HAVE A LOT THAT WE WANT TO TRY AND GET ACCOMPLISHED WITH OUR OUR CAPITAL.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE COME TO APPRECIATE THAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND MEASURES TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT ARE REAL, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'RE DOING IN SOME LOCATIONS SOME CLIMATE CHANGE PROJECTS THAT CAPTURE CO TWO.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON SOME GROWTH PROJECTS.

AND SO EVEN FOR A COMPANY LIKE DAO, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABLE CAPITAL ONLY GOES SO FAR.

AND SO WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BWC PARTNERSHIP, WHAT IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS PARTNER WITH A PUBLIC ENTITY, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE KIND OF A LOCAL MUNICIPAL WATER SUPPLY RELIABILITY.

YOU KNOW, EVEN AS WE ADDRESS KIND OF RISK FOR THE COMPANY AND REALLY SET UP A PROGRAM WHERE WE'RE USING AVAILABLE FUNDS IN THE IN THE MOST INTEREST ADVANTAGED WAY TO GET THIS THING DONE.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

RIGHT. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE.

I'VE GOT ONE. IT SAYS HERE YOU PUT IN A DESALINATION PROJECT.

YES, SIR. WE HAVE A DESALINIZATION PROJECT UNDERWAY.

IT IS A BRACKISH GROUNDWATER DESALINIZATION PLANT.

BUT EVEN WITH THAT, IT WON'T GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOR STORAGE.

IT'S STILL IN PROGRESS.

IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN WAITING SUPPLY CHAIN, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

WE'VE BEEN WAITING NOW ABOUT 14 MONTHS ON SOME PUMPS FOR THAT DEEP THAT DEEP WELLS BECAUSE IT'S DOWN IN THE BRACKISH, IT'S GOT TO BE SPECIAL ALLOYS.

AND WE'VE GOT ONE THAT SHOWED UP.

WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE WAITING ON.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYBE TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'VE LOOKED AT REALLY EVERY ALTERNATIVE WE CAN COME UP WITH FOR HOW TO GET WATER.

AND BY FAR AND AWAY, THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WATER THAT YOU CAN GET TO TO FIRM UP LOCAL SUPPLIES.

SO IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS ALONG THOSE LINES, WE COULD TALK ABOUT BRACKISH DESAL, SEAWATER, DESAL, GROUNDWATER OPTIONS, OTHER SOURCES UP AND DOWN THE BRAZOS.

MY LEADERSHIP'S KIND OF ROLLED ME THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS HARD, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE, HEY, THEY'RE VERY CLEAR ON WHY WE NEED TO DO THIS PROJECT, BUT HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE DETAILS AS WELL.

GREAT. I'VE GOT QUESTIONS.

ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO GO? FIRST OFF, THE.

COUNCILMAN ROBERTS GOOD QUESTION.

ON THE DESAL PLANT.

THIS PLANT HAS BEEN IN IN STAGES FOR WHAT? TEN OVER TEN YEARS NOW AND STILL NOT COMPLETE? NO, SIR. IT'S ACTUALLY IT THE FUNDING WAS IN 2015.

OKAY. SO IT'S IN EIGHT YEARS AT THE MOMENT.

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AND WE HAD SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT DALE'S HAD WITH THE RESERVOIR.

ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

THEY HELD US UP FOR FIVE YEARS.

WE GOT THAT DONE AND THEN COVID HIT AND WE COULDN'T GET ANYBODY TO WORK ON ANYTHING.

AND NOW WE WE'VE GOT OUR WELL, WE GOT THREE OF OUR WELLS DRILLED.

WE'RE WAITING ON PUMPS FOR TWO OF THEM AT THE MOMENT.

AS SOON AS WE GET THAT IN, WE HAVE A PILOT PLANT BEING BUILT.

IT'LL BE SHIPPED HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE OUR PUMPS IN.

WE CAN FINISH, WE CAN RUN OUR PILOT, FINISH THAT, FINISH THE DESIGN, THEN MOVE ON INTO CONSTRUCTION AND YOU FEEL LIKE A DESAL PLANT IS MORE COSTLY THAN WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR HERE WITH THIS WITH THE PURCHASE OF LAND AND THE THE COST.

THE COST BACK UP DEBT SERVICE AND THE COST TO OPERATE.

THAT IS GOING TO BE AROUND $4, A LITTLE OVER $4 A THOUSAND.

BASICALLY WHAT OUR BASICALLY AROUND WHAT OUR SURFACE WATER IS.

OKAY. TWO.

EVEN WITH THE WATER WE'RE GETTING FROM THIS NEW PLANT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO TREAT IT.

SO YOU STILL GOT TO PUT THE $2 AND SOME ODD ON IT FOR THE TREATMENT COSTS.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BALANCE OUT PRETTY GOOD.

NOW, IF YOU WENT TO A, SAY, A BRACKISH WATER OUT OF THE RIVER, WE'D BE LOOKING PROBABLY IN THE $6 RANGE, MAYBE A LITTLE HIGHER.

IF YOU GO SEAWATER DESAL, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING.

AROUND $8 TO $9 A THOUSAND.

AND THEN YOU GOT TO PUT A PIPELINE TO GET IT TO US.

SO YEAH, RIGHT NOW THESE ARE THE BEST OPTIONS.

OKAY. AND.

SO I'M KIND OF GOING IN ORDER OF HOW I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW ABOUT THE DROUGHT IN 2011.

IT WAS THE IMPETUS OF STARTING THIS PURCHASE OF LAND AND TRYING TO EXPAND THE RESERVOIR.

IN THAT SAME TIME, WE ALSO TURNED ON ROSENBERG.

WOULD WAGENBURG CAME ON.

YES, SIR. THEY CAME ON IN IN 2015.

RIGHT. AND WITHOUT WITHOUT ROSENBERG'S PARTICIPATION IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW THAT THEY'RE PAYING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR 33.

33.5. WELL, ACTUALLY, ABOUT 33.6% OF THAT RESERVOIR PROJECT.

SO THEY'RE THEY'RE COVERING A GOOD DEAL OF THE COST.

WITHOUT THEM, WE INSTEAD OF THE INSTEAD OF THE 15 CENT INCREASE, YOU'D BE SEEING 20 $0.01 INCREASES.

THEY HIT THE BACK END INSTEAD OF $1.17, IT'D BE $1.57.

OKAY. BUT WE'RE ALSO SAYING THE SAME THING OF MORE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR THEIR STRAWS IN THE IN THE RIVER UPSTREAM AND BUT WE'RE EXPANDING THE STORAGE.

BUT YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT THE RIVER DOESN'T FLOW VERY WELL DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.

SO HOW ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT THAT WATER IS GOING TO GET DOWN HERE? YEAH, MAYBE I SPEAK TO THAT.

SO. SO WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF LOOKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY ADVANTAGED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU ARE ON THE BRAZOS TRULY MATTERS. IF YOU'RE UP, SAY IN IN POSSUM KINGDOM UP BY FORT WORTH, POSSUM KINGDOM BASICALLY NEEDS TO STORE TEN YEARS WORTH OF WATER IN ORDER TO MAKE A RELIABLE SUPPLY.

YOU KNOW, SO BECAUSE IT'S SO DRY UP THERE, THEY CAN GO A REALLY LONG TIME WITHOUT SEEING FLOWS IN THE RIVER DOWN HERE LOCALLY.

ALL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE SAYS WE SHOULD EXPECT TO HAVE FLOWS 3 TO 4 MONTHS EVERY SPRING.

AND SO THAT ACTUALLY REPRESENTS THE WINDOW OF TIME WHERE YOU CAN REFILL THE RESERVOIR.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I GUESS I'D PLAY OUT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, BRAHE'S RESERVOIRS WERE AT 75%.

AND UP UNTIL ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, THEY DIDN'T PUT ANY WATER INTO THEM.

NOW THEY GOT A LITTLE BIT OF RAIN.

SO I THINK THEY'RE NOW AT LIKE 81.

YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE LAST 2 OR 3 WEEKS, THEY GOT A LITTLE BIT OF WATER TO PUT IN THEM.

BUT LOCALLY, WE'VE SEEN SIX RAIN EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AND HAD FLOWS IN THE BRAZOS RIVER AT 20,000 GALLONS A MINUTE OR 20,000 CFS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW. AND SO WE PROBABLY HAD SIX WINDOWS OF TIME SINCE JANUARY THAT WE WOULD BE FILLING EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DROUGHT.

SO THIS BUCKET THAT WE'RE BUILDING HAS ROUGHLY FOUR MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE.

EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF DROUGHT, WE WOULD EXPECT EVENTS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE SMALL RISES IN THE RIVER.

YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN PUT WATER BACK INTO THE BUCKET EVEN AS KIND OF OVER MULTIPLE MONTHS.

WE'RE SLOWLY DRAWING IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SAY BELOW SOMERVILLE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WACO, BRYAN-COLLEGE STATION, THERE'S A BIG WHAT'S CALLED UNREGULATED BASIN.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN CAPTURE ALL THE RAINWATER COMING OFF OF THAT AND THERE'S NO RESERVOIRS CAPTURING IT.

AND SO SO THAT'S WHY WE WE HAVE SOME HIGH CONFIDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE WATER TO TO REFILL THIS EVEN AS WE BLEED IT OUT OVER A PERIOD OF 4 TO 6 MONTHS.

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HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SOME SENSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, THE MATH THE MATH SAYS THAT FAIR ENOUGH TO SAY THAT MOTHER NATURE COULD TURN ON US.

WE COULD HAVE A SPRING WITH RELATIVELY LITTLE FLOW.

AND THEN WE'RE THEN WE'RE KIND OF OUT OUTSIDE THE NORM OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

AND AND WE DO HAVE SOME WEARINESS TO THAT AS WELL.

BUT BUT CLEARLY, AS WE LOOK TO DO WATER SUPPLY PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE CHEAPEST AND KIND OF MOST IMPACTFUL THING THAT WE CAN DO.

AND THEN IF THE COUNTY DOES EXPERIENCE GROWTH, I MEAN, I THINK I'VE SEEN NUMBERS THAT HAVE US GOING FROM FOUR, 440 TO 750 BY 2050.

YOU KNOW, WE LIKELY NEED TO LAYER ON SOME AMOUNT OF OTHER ACTIONS IN ADDITION TO THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE HAVING WATER FOR GROWTH.

AND I DO THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COMING ON IS AS WE OVERTOP GROUNDWATER, WE'LL CREATE A SUBSIDENCE ISSUE WHICH CAUSES THE LAND TO SETTLE, WHICH DOWN HERE IN A FLOODPLAIN IS PROBABLY THE WORST THING WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL WE'LL PUT SOME LEVEL OF CONSTRAINT ON GROUNDWATER PUMPING IN RESPONSE TO THAT.

NOW, GROUNDWATER PUMPING PROBABLY DOESN'T GO AWAY, BUT LIKE THE OTHER GROUNDWATER SUBSIDENCE DISTRICTS, YOU'LL END UP MEETING NEEDING TO MANAGE YOUR ANNUAL GROUNDWATER PUMPING TO LESS THAN SOME PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TOTAL.

AND SO AS YOU KIND OF WORK UP INDIVIDUAL CITY STRATEGIES OR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BROADER STRATEGIES, THINKING THROUGH HOW THAT MATH WORKS OUT FOR YOU, IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT DECISION.

YEAH. FROM THE RIVER MANAGER.

WHAT'S YOUR NAME? RIVER MASTER WATER MASTER WATER MASTER AT THAT POINT.

WHEN THE RIVER GETS ON A RISE, IS THERE IS THERE A MAX YOU CAN PULL OUT OF THERE? I MEAN, WE'RE LIKE THE LAST.

PLACE TO PULL WATER OUT UPSTREAM.

BRAZORIA RESERVOIR.

IS THERE A LIMIT TO WHAT THEY ALLOW OR CAN YOU JUST PUT THE HAMMER DOWN AND PULL AS MUCH AS YOU IF YOU'RE LIKE ONE OF THE RESERVOIRS UPSTREAM, THEY CAN IN FACT, ACTUALLY CAPTURE ALL THE WATER THAT'S COMING IN UNLESS THERE'S A WATER RIGHTS CALL FORCING IN THE PASS FOR PEOPLE LIKE US WHO HAVE PUMP STATIONS, OUR WATER PERMIT HAS A MAXIMUM DIVERSION RATE IN IT.

AND FOR US IT'S 630 CFS.

WHAT IS THAT? I MEAN, IT'S ROUGHLY 200 AND SOME THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE.

YOU'RE ROUGHLY TWO AND A HALF TO THREE TIMES OUR USAGE RATE.

SO WE CAN PUMP WATER A LOT FASTER THAN WE USE IT ON AVERAGE, WHICH AGAIN GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO IN A FEW MONTHS ACTUALLY FILL.

GREAT. SORT OF SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING HAMSTRUNG BECAUSE ALL THE REST OF THAT'S JUST GOING OUT INTO THE GULF.

BUT I'M SURE THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS HAVE A REASON FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

WELL, SO IN THAT REGARD, I MEAN, NOT THAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING THERE OR GOING THERE QUICK BECAUSE CHANGING WATER RIGHTS HAVE SOME COMPLEXITY, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT IF WE FIND OURSELVES WITH ACTUALLY MORE PUMPS IN THE BRAZOS AND A VALUE TO ACTUALLY TURN IT ON MORE PUMPS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD CONTEMPLATE AS A SHIFT IN OUR PERMITS, OUR WATER RIGHTS PERMIT. SO, YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY ALL THE MODELING WE'VE DONE SAY THAT WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE END UP GETTING IMPACTED AT BRAZORIA ROUGHLY 40, 50% OF THE TIME.

WE CAN'T PUMP FRESHWATER BRAZORIA BECAUSE OF SALTWATER INTRUSION, BUT WE CAN LARGELY TURN ON ALL THE PUMPS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE RIVER LESS ONE ONCE THIS PROJECT IS DONE. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY AND MAXIMIZE HOW HARD WE CAN DIVERT IN THOSE PEAK FLOW TIMES.

YES, SIR. EXCUSE ME.

MY QUESTION IS.

I BELIEVE THIS PAST YEAR WE HAVE PROVED ON COUNCIL A RATE HIKE.

FOR BWR. YES, SIR.

Y'ALL DID, Y'ALL.

Y'ALL WOULD HAVE APPROVED THAT, I THINK, BACK IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, RIGHT? WOULD HAVE GONE. IN FACT, PROBABLY IN OUR FISCAL.

THEY WENT IN EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST.

YEAH. WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT? WHY DID WE NEED TO PASS ON A RATE HIKE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS? FLOORING COST WENT THROUGH THE ROOF, CAUSTIC SODA WENT THROUGH THE ROOF.

ALL OUR SUPPLY, ALL OUR CHEMICALS WENT WENT HIGH AS COULD BE.

YOU KNOW, WE I THINK WE WENT OVER THAT PRETTY WELL.

BUT IT WAS MOSTLY OUR RAW MATERIALS.

CHLORINE. CHLORINE.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW, MR. THOMPSON, BUT IT DOUBLED ON US.

OKAY? AND WE SAW THAT WE SEEN WE SEEN THIS THIS YEAR.

WE SEEN OUR SODIUM CHLORIDE.

IT WENT FROM $0.70 A POUND TO $1 ONE.

I JUST GOT THAT INCREASE THE OTHER DAY.

SO THE CHEMICAL COST ARE STILL INCREASING AND WE WOULD EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE.

CORRECT, SIR.

WE WOULD EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE.

I'M NOT AN ECONOMIST.

I WOULD THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO STILL SEE SOME HAPPENING, I'M HOPING.

CHLORINE SEEMS TO HAVE LEVELED OUT AT THE MOMENT.

SO I'M HOPING IT.

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AND CAUSTIC SODA STAY LEVEL.

ANYBODY WITH A SWIMMING POOL KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU WENT TO THE WENT TO THE BUY YOUR CHLORINE TABLETS OR WHATEVER THEY WENT THEY WENT FROM PRETTY CHEAP TO LIKE $200 FOR A BUCKET.

I GUESS THAT'S. KIND OF MY CONCERN.

IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE YOU'RE SENDING TO US.

THE IMPORTANCE OF LOOKING TO THE FUTURE.

THE IMPORTANCE OF OF PREPARING.

THE THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS ENORMOUS.

BUT IT IS A CONCERN FOR ME TO.

HAVE TO COME BACK TO OUR RESIDENTS AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S ANOTHER PRICE HIKE.

YES, SIR. AND THERE'S NOTHING AND I KNOW IT'S NOT Y'ALL CAN NECESSARILY DO, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE AGAIN NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER.

AND YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, CHLORINE AND BY THE WAY, IS JUST DOUBLED AGAIN.

AND OH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED SOME MORE MONEY AND IT JUST BECOMES A.

WELL, IT BECOMES VERY, VERY COSTLY.

AND LOOK, I GET IT.

WE'VE GOT TO PAY OUR AMOUNT.

I WAS GOING TO SAY OUR FAIR SHARE, BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW.

HAVE YOU EVER QUITE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHO THINKS.

I'M SURE Y'ALL, JEFF, CAN TRY TO TELL YOU Y'ALL'S CHLORINE COST WENT UP JUST LIKE OURS.

EVERYBODY'S WENT UP. IT WENT CRAZY.

ALL TREATMENT PLANT CHEMICALS HAVE GONE UP.

WE WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW IN OPERATIONS.

IN OPERATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE ABOUT A 3.7% INCREASE, BUT THAT'S A LOT LESS THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CUTTING WE'RE CUTTING EVERY CORNER WE CAN IF IF.

NOW, I MEAN.

TYPICALLY, I WOULD THINK THAT THINGS JUST KIND OF STABILIZE AND THEN TEND TO RISE WHENEVER YOU EVER SEEN ANYBODY ACTUALLY ROLL BACK THEIR PRICES.

YOU EVER SEEN ANYBODY ACTUALLY LIKE, HEY, OUR CHLORINE IS NOW GONE BACK TO WHAT IT WAS 20, 20 AND WE'RE OKAY.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 43 YEARS AND I CANNOT RECALL ANY TIME I'VE SEEN.

YOU USED TO SEE YEARS AGO, YOU USED TO SEE CHLORINE WOULD DROP WHEN CAUSTIC SODA WENT UP BECAUSE WHEN YOU PRODUCING CHLORINE CAUSTIC SODA BYPRODUCT, WHEN THE MARKET WAS STRONG FOR CAUSTIC SODA, THEN THEY OVERPRODUCED CHLORINE AND IT WAS VICE VERSA.

WHEN CHLORINE PRODUCTION LAY UP AND HAD A HIGH DEMAND, CAUSTIC SODA WOULD GO DOWN.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT EXPORTING SO MUCH STUFF, SO MUCH CHLORINE AND SO MUCH CAUSTIC SODA AND OTHER CHEMICALS.

THERE'S NO REASON FOR THEM TO ADJUST THOSE CHEMICALS.

THEY JUST SELL IT.

I MIGHT JUST OFFER A FEW COMMENTS HERE AND I'LL SAY IT'S TOUGH REALLY ACROSS THE BOARD.

I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO THE SUPERMARKET, YOU SEE IN THE PRICE ESCALATION THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE KIND OF WITH FACILITIES AROUND THE GLOBE IS, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN EUROPE, MOST OF MANY OF THE CHEMICAL FACILITIES IN EUROPE AREN'T RUNNING.

RIGHT, BECAUSE THE PRICE OF ENERGY OVER THERE IS SO HIGH THAT YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT RUNNING THEM.

AND SO THAT ACTUALLY CREATES KIND OF GLOBAL PRESSURE ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

THERE'S A FEW THINGS KIND OF DRIVING INFLATION.

AND CERTAINLY AS THE FED KIND OF RATCHETS UP THE INTEREST RATE, THEY'RE TRYING TO DAMP THAT DOWN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GET THAT UNDER CONTROL.

YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T RULE I WOULDN'T RULE OUT THAT HOPEFULLY WE KIND OF FLATTEN OUT AND MAYBE GO GO BACK.

BUT TYPICALLY FOR FOR PRICES REALLY TO FALL BACK, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO GET INTO A SERIOUS ENOUGH RECESSION WHERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION IS REALLY BACKTRACKING OR, YOU KNOW, IF THE PRICE OF ENERGY DROPS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PRODUCERS CAN ACTUALLY PRODUCE CHEAPER AND, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THEM PUSHING TO TRY AND OUT COMPETE EACH OTHER AND AND THINGS KIND OF DIAL THEMSELVES BACK.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A BIT OF A WAIT AND SEE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK DOW AT THE MOMENT, YOU KNOW, FEELS THE PINCH OF THE ECONOMY, INTEREST RATES, ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, THINGS ARE SLOWING DOWN.

SO I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THIS INFLATION WE'VE SEEN IS STARTING TO STABILIZE.

IT'S A BIT OF A WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

BUT, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE IT.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE.

I'M CERTAINLY CAN'T. I JUST HAVE A CONCERN THAT.

I APPRECIATE THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT.

AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S FOR THE FUTURE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST A MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECT.

THE CONCERN I JUST, YOU KNOW, HATE TO SAY IT, BUT NICKEL AND DIMED TO DEATH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE JUST EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, EVERY YEAR YOU'RE BACK HERE ASKING FOR MORE AND WE'RE JUST CONTINUING TO PASS IT ON TO THE TAXPAYER.

AND, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I'M CONCERNED.

SO. WELL, LAST YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, INFLATION RATE WAS LIKE 9.3%.

THIS YEAR WE'RE DOWN. LIKE THE LAST I SAW WAS 5.4.

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WE'RE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT 3.7.

THAT'S AS FAR DOWN AS WE COULD GET IT SO FAR.

I'VE GOT A BOARD MEETING WITH THE 27TH THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN THERE ANYWHERE WE CAN CUT IT, WE'LL CUT IT.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE OPERATE PRETTY BARE.

AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE INCREASES, YOU GOT TO GO UP OR YOU GOT TO NOT TREAT THE WATER WELL.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT IN THE WATER AND NOT TREAT IT PROPERLY.

WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYBODY SICK.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT.

SO IS IT CHEAPER TO TREAT GROUND STORAGE WATER THAN IT IS TO TREAT RIVER WATER? YES, SIR, IT IS.

IT IS. IT IS CHEAPER NORMALLY TO TREAT GROUNDWATER, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE GROUNDWATER.

IF YOU'RE HIGH IN ARSENIC, YOU'VE GOT TO TREAT FOR ARSENIC.

IF YOU'RE HIGH IN IRON, YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH IRON TO SEQUESTER TO REMOVE IT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT. SO IT'S A KIND OF A VAGUE ANSWER.

I'M SORRY, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WHAT YOUR GROUNDWATER IS.

THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE IT COSTS MORE TO TREAT GROUNDWATER THAN IT WOULD SURFACE WATER, BUT THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SURFACE WATER.

YEAH. NAMELY OUR FREEDOM PARK.

WELL, YES, SIR.

YEAH. AND I JUST COMMENT THERE.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUMPING WATER THAT GOES DIRECT IN CHLORINATE WHATEVER, YOU'RE PROBABLY ADVANTAGED IF YOU'RE GOING DEEPER.

YOU KNOW, THE 1000 1200 FOOT, YOU'VE GOT EXTRA PUMPING COSTS AS SALTY, YOU'RE PUSHING IT THROUGH MEMBRANES, YOU'VE GOT POWER, YOU KNOW.

AND SO THERE'S WHERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BRACKISH DESAL, TWO THINGS.

ONE IS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A IT WAS AN ACTION THAT BWR NEEDED BECAUSE THEY NEEDED AN ELEMENT OF RELIABILITY.

YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY THINK THE RESERVOIR AND SURFACE WATER TREATMENT KIND OF MAXIMIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY COMPETES VERY FAVORABLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, I THINK, SIGNIFICANT RISK.

WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT SAYS IF YOU DO LOTS OF WELLS KIND OF DEEPER, THAT 1000 1200 FOOT, YOU END UP DRAWING IN SALTIER WATER AND YOU DRIVE SUBSIDENCE FASTER, YOU KNOW, SO SO EVEN AS I THINK THEY'VE GOT A COMPONENT OF THAT IN THEIR QUIVER OF SOLUTIONS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO GO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW THAT SUBSIDENCE CONSTRAINTS ARE KIND OF COMING.

SO AND THEN YOU SAID YOU THINK 3.7 TO 5% INCREASE IS WHAT'S COMING AT US.

ACTUALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE A 3.7 ON ON O&M AND THEN THE 15 ON THE 15 ON THE RESERVOIR PROJECT.

SO IT SHOULD BE ABOUT 407.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK IT DOWN, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YEAH. I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS'S TIME AND I THANK YOU.

IT WAS A GREAT, GREAT SET OF QUESTIONS.

REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO MEET WITH YOU ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WOODRUFF. THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

TO SOME PEOPLE, THEY DON'T SEE THE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.

BUT I REALLY ENJOYED THE CONVERSATIONS ON BWR.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM BEING HERE.

[9. Presentation and discussion by Gulf Coast Transit District to eliminate fixed route service in Angleton and offer on demand service for all riders.]

I'VE. NUMBER NINE PRESENTATION DISCUSSION BY GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT TO ELIMINATE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE IN ANGLETON AND OFFER AN ON DEMAND SERVICE FOR ALL RIDERS.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS TED ROSS.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT.

EXCUSE ME. WELL, I COME HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR SUPPORT WITH THIS IS CALLED MICROTRANSIT AND ON DEMAND.

MICROTRANSIT IS NEW TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THEY HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE NOW.

WE'RE DOING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THEY'RE DOING IT ACROSS AMERICA AND THEY'RE EVEN DOING IT IN OUR BACKYARD IN TEXAS, HOUSTON, METRO, DALLAS DART, SAN ANTONIO ARE ALL DOING MICRO TRANSIT.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS I KNOW IT SAID ELIMINATE FIXED ROUTE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ELIMINATE.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CO-MINGLE OUR FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM WITH OUR PARATRANSIT SYSTEM.

NOW, THIS IS A ONE YEAR PILOT PROJECT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO WORK BEFORE WE GO FULLY INTO IT.

SO WHAT IT DOES IS BRINGS ALL THIS TOGETHER AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS INCREASE RIDERSHIP AND MAKE A BETTER RIDER EXPERIENCE FOR THE RIDERS.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS CALLED SPARE PLATFORM, WHICH IS A SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE SOLUTION FOR DELIVERING ANY TYPE OF A SHARED RIDE SERVICE.

SO THIS IS A FREE APP ON YOUR PHONE THAT YOU DOWNLOAD ONE TAP BASIC INFORMATION YOU PUT IN FROM THERE A RIDER INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WALK TO A BUS STOP BASICALLY FROM THEIR COUCH, THEY CAN BRING UP THE APP, TYPE IN WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

IT WILL SHOW THEM THE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE THE VEHICLE TO GET THERE.

IF THEY DO IT AN HOUR OR TWO AHEAD, IT WILL SEND THEM REMINDERS THAT THE VEHICLE IS ON THE WAY.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE IT COMING DOWN THE STREET, WALK OUT, GET IN THE VEHICLE.

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NOW, WHEN THEY GO TO THE VEHICLE, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE IS PICKING THEM UP, THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, WHO THE DRIVER IS GOING TO BE, EVERYTHING.

SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING IN THE WRONG VEHICLE OR ANYTHING.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE AN UBER OR LYFT TYPE OF SYSTEM.

IT IS A SHARED RIDE, SO IT WILL PRETTY MUCH TAKE THEM STRAIGHT WHERE THEY'RE GOING, BUT IT MIGHT PICK UP A FEW MORE PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY.

NOW WHEN THEY BOOK THE RIDES, IT TELLS THEM A TIME WINDOW OF WHEN THEY WILL GET TO THEIR DESTINATION, IF THEY'RE PICKING UP PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY AND IT'S GETTING CLOSER TO THEIR DROP OFF TIME, THEN IT WILL STOP PICKING PEOPLE UP AND TAKE THEM DIRECTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

SO LIKE I SAID, THEY ALWAYS HAVE THEIR UPDATES.

THEY CAN BASICALLY GO INTO THIS APP AND REVIEW ANY TRIPS THAT THEY'VE TAKEN, ANY MONEY THAT THEY'VE PUT ON THEIR BOOKS AND ANY INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED FOR THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A PHONE OR.

THEY CAN GO TO ANY WEB COMPUTER, LIBRARY, NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ANYWHERE THERE AND GET ALL THE SAME INFORMATION AND BE ABLE TO BOOK A RIDE AND TELL THEM EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THEIR SYSTEM.

AND THEN FOR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T USE A PHONE OR THE WEB OR OLDER GENERATION, THEY CAN CALL IN OUR 800 NUMBER AND BOOK A RIDE THERE AND THE RESERVATIONIST WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM ALL THE SAME INFORMATION OF ANY MONEY THEY HAVE ON THEIR BOOKS, THE DURATION OF THE RIDE AND WHO'S COMING TO GET THEM AND EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO KNOW.

NOW WE'VE ALSO COME UP WITH THROUGH OUR BOARD MEETING, THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT THE HOMELESS WHO DOESN'T HAVE A PHONE OR ACCESS TO THAT.

NOW WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF ANY OF OUR BUS STOPS OR ANYTHING.

THEY'RE GOING TO STAY IN PLACE.

AND WHAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH IS LIKE A RING DOORBELL, CAMERA THAT'LL BE SOLAR POWER MOUNTED INTO THEM.

AS WE WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE STARTED TALKING TO THE DIFFERENT PLACES, THEY VOLUNTEERED TO ALSO PUT THEM AT THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS AND BASICALLY SOMEBODY WAS NEEDING A RIDE WITH JUST PUSH THE BUTTON.

IT'LL COME TO OUR DISPATCH.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMEBODY THERE AND IT'S JUST NOT A KID PUSHING THE BUTTON AND RUNNING OFF.

BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM BACK AND FORTH, FIND OUT WHERE THEY WANT TO GO, BOOK THEIR RIDES AND LET THEM KNOW HOW LONG UNTIL THE VEHICLE GETS THERE.

SO BASICALLY WHEN THEY BOOK A RIDE ON THE FAIR MOBILE APP, THEY'RE GIVEN THE OPTION FOR DIFFERENT ACCOMMODATIONS.

SO IF THEY'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR, IF IT'S AN OVERSIZE WHEELCHAIR, IF THEY'RE USING A WALKER, IF THEY HAVE SMALL CHILDREN OR BRINGING OTHER PEOPLE WITH THEM, THEY TYPE ALL THIS IN.

IT'S REAL EASY TO DO IT THAT WAY.

WE ALWAYS GET THE RIGHT VEHICLE TO THE RIGHT PERSON WHEN THEY NEED IT.

NOW, THIS IS GOOD FOR IPHONES OR ANDROIDS AND ALSO HAS A LIVE TEXT TO VOICE AND A SCREEN READER.

SUPPORT FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED.

NOW, IF SOMEBODY IS JUST WALKING DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY SEE ONE OF OUR VEHICLES, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FLAG IT DOWN.

I FORGOT TO HIT THE BUTTON. WE HAVE TO FLAG IT DOWN AND THE DRIVER CAN PULL OVER AND SAFE SPOT.

LOAD THEM UP ON THERE.

TYPE IN WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND LET THEM KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM TO GET THERE AND BE ABLE TO MOVE ON FROM THERE.

AS OUR VEHICLES ARE, IF THEY'RE SITTING AROUND AT A LOW TIME, THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM GOING BY OUR HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS JUST LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO.

SO THE WAY WE CAN SET THIS UP IS INTO DIFFERENT ZONES.

SO FOR THE CITIES THAT WE SERVICE RIGHT NOW WITH FIXED ROUTE, WHAT THIS DOES RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LIVE MORE THAN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS FROM A FIXED ROUTE BUS STOP, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WALK THE EXTRA DISTANCE TO GET THERE.

WHAT THIS DOES IS OPEN THIS UP FROM CITY LIMIT TO CITY LIMIT.

SO FROM THE NORTH OF ANGLETON TO THE SOUTH OF FREEPORT AND EAST AND WEST WILL BE BASICALLY ONE BIG MICROTRANSIT ZONE.

SO IF YOU'RE ON HENDERSON ROAD, YOU CAN BOOK A RIDE AND IT WILL TAKE YOU TO FREEPORT.

IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THE MALL, WALMART, ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

THERE'S NO MORE TRANSFERS AND IT WILL GET YOU THERE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.

THEN. SO BASICALLY THERE'S A CHANGING LANDSCAPE IN THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SECTOR.

PEOPLE WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT OFFERINGS OTHER THAN THE TRADITIONAL BUSSES.

BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND MEET THE COMMUNITY NEEDS WITH MORE INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS.

THIS IS OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET CONNECTED TO TRANSIT THAT THEY OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO.

WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE GOING WHEN THEY WANT TO GET THERE.

THE EXPANSION OF THE MICRO TRANSIT AND ON DEMAND SERVICE IS ANOTHER WAY WE CAN MEET THE CHANGING NEEDS OF OUR RIDERS BY PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE, AFFORDABLE AND CONVENIENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND IMPROVE THE MOBILITY FOR THE MANY COMMUNITIES THAT WE SERVE.

THIS TYPE OF SERVICE WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE TRANSIT DISTRICT AND IN TURN PROVIDE A MORE ON TIME TRANSPORTATION FOR THE COMMUNITIES.

SO I WAS TALKING ABOUT MORE ABOUT THE ZONES, YOU KNOW, ANGLETON, FREEPORT, CLUTE, LAKE JACKSON.

BUT EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF THAT ZONE, WE ALREADY SERVICE THEM NOW, BUT THEY HAVE TO BOOK SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE WITH THIS SERVICE HERE.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BOOK TWO DAYS IN ADVANCE.

SO THAT WAY WE KNOW HOW MANY BUSSES WE NEED GOING TO WEST COLUMBIA.

IF THEY'RE COMING TO ANGLETON, IF THEY'RE COMING TO LAKE JACKSON, WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING, THAT WAY WE CAN AND WE HOPE TO INCREASE OR DECREASE THE CALLING TIME ON THAT AND GET IT

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DOWN TO ONE DAY.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE STARTING WITH TWO DAYS.

AND THEN THAT'S THE FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION IS NOT GOOD.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS COST.

IS THIS.

IS THIS GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH WHAT THE CURRENT FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM IS OR IS IT CHEAPER? THE COST FOR THE RIDER IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME.

RIGHT NOW IT'S $1 EACH WAY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, $0.50 FOR DISABLED SENIORS OR STUDENTS GOING TO AND FROM SCHOOL.

ALL THAT STAYS THE SAME WHERE THE COST CUTTING IS FOR ADA RIDERS.

RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO CALL 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE AND THEY PAY $2 EACH WAY.

SO $4 ROUND TRIP WITH THIS SERVICE HERE WHILE IT MINGLES IT TOGETHER.

BASICALLY, THE ADA RULES AND EVERYTHING KIND OF GOES OUT THE WINDOW.

THEY'RE JUST PART OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO THERE ARE $2 A RIDE WILL GO DOWN TO $0.50 FOR A DIALYSIS PATIENT GOING THREE TIMES A WEEK, PAYING $12 A WEEK.

NOW THEY'RE PAYING $3 A WEEK.

SO BUT EVERYBODY ELSE STAYS THE SAME IN THE PRICING.

SO EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE MICROTRANSIT AREA, WEST COLUMBIA-BRAZORIA RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO BOOK SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE.

THEY PAY $2 FOR THE FIRST TEN MILES, $0.25 A MILE AFTER THAT.

AND THAT PRICING WILL STAY THE SAME FOR THAT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR COST? DOES IT GO DOWN? YES.

SO OUR COST PER TRIP WILL GO DOWN AND THEN THE COST FOR THE SOFTWARE ITSELF WILL ACTUALLY GO DOWN CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE WERE PAYING BEFORE.

DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE BOTH APPS? THE SPARE? IS IT JUST SPARE? WELL, IT'S SPARE IS THE PLATFORM THAT WILL GO OFF.

IT'LL ALL BE WHITE LABELED.

IT'LL ALL BE UNDER THE GULF COAST TRANSIT DISTRICT.

IT'LL JUST BE ONE APP.

OKAY. UM, IF WE WERE TO TRANSITION TO THIS, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT GETTING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HOW DO WE GO ABOUT PASSING ON THIS INFORMATION? I DON'T KNOW. WE ARE HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

THE ONE IN GALVESTON COUNTY IS TOMORROW AND THE FOLLOWING NEXT WEDNESDAY ON THE 21ST AT THE CIVIC CENTER IN LAKE JACKSON.

WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS SET UP AT 12:00 AND 6:00, 12:00 MEETING IS FREE RIDES FOR EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE THERE.

WE'RE GOING OUT TO SENIOR HOMES, DIALYSIS CENTERS.

WE'RE GOING OUT TO BUS STOPS, THE TRANSFER CENTERS SITTING DOWN WITH PEOPLE, TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THIS.

IF THIS PASSES AND GOES THROUGH, THEN WE'LL TURN AROUND AND DO THE EXACT SAME THING.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SHOW THEM HOW TO LOAD IT ON THEIR PHONE, SHOW THEM HOW TO BOOK A RIDE AND GO FROM THERE.

AS FAR AS PARATRANSIT RIDERS RIGHT NOW, ADA AND DEMAND RESPONSE, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SOFTWARE WE HAVE NOW WILL BE IMPORTED INTO THIS SOFTWARE.

SO THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN CALL AND BOOK THE RIDES.

WHAT'S THE EXPERIENCE IN THIS SYSTEM IN SOMEWHERE ELSE IS BEING DONE SOMEWHERE? OBVIOUSLY. I WOULD THINK IT IS.

I HAVE SEARCHED THE INTERNET UP AND DOWN LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BAD BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMED ALL TOO GOOD.

I CANNOT FIND ONE BAD THING ABOUT THIS COMPANY.

EVEN EX EMPLOYEES DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BAD.

LUBBOCK HAS THIS IN SERVICE.

THEIR RIDERSHIP INCREASED 50%.

OTHER AGENCIES HAVE HAD A 200% INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP.

SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN FIND BAD IS WE GET TOO MANY RIDERS AND WE'LL COVER THAT AS WE GET IT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, DART IN DALLAS, DENTON COUNTY ARE BOTH USING SPARE LABS, LUBBOCK IS USING SPARE LABS, AND A LOT OF YOUR BIGGER CITIES ARE USING A TYPE OF MICROTRANSIT, PROBABLY A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DIFFERENT COMPANY, BUT THEY'RE ALL GOING MICROTRANSIT.

THEY'RE DOING IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE BRINGING PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE INTO THE FIXED ROUTE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME AGENCIES THAT TOTALLY GOT RID OF THE FIXED ROUTE AND CO-MINGLING TOGETHER.

MY CONCERN WAS OVER PEOPLE THAT.

DON'T HAVE INTERNET ACCESS, DON'T HAVE TO JUST SHOW UP AT THE BUS STOP AND WAIT TILL THE BUS GOES BY.

BUT I FOUND IT IN LIFE.

WORD OF MOUTH GETS GETS INFORMATION SENT AROUND AMONG THAT CROWD.

A LOT, LOT BETTER THAN.

EVEN HOLDING MEETINGS DOWN AT CITY HALL.

YES, SIR. RIGHT. YES. YES.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE POSTED ON OUR VEHICLES FOR PEOPLE WHO RIDE AND MORE GETS AROUND PRETTY GOOD THERE.

AND WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DO A STRONG REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'LL HAVE ADVERTISING AND PAPERS AND AND EVERYTHING.

CHRIS. SO THREE THINGS.

ONE, I'M ON THE GULF COAST TRANSIT BOARD DURING MY FREE TIME.

SO WE HEARD THIS PRESENTATION AGAIN, A LOT OF A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND GOOD, GOOD QUESTIONS.

BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD A ANGLETON UNIVERSITY GRADUATE THAT TALKED ABOUT BUS STOPS AND AND ROUTES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

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AND I THINK THIS KIND OF SOLVES SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GETTING PICKED UP WHERE YOU NEED TO GO AND YOU'RE NOT WALKING AND WAITING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND THEN IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT MAYBE SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUSSES MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT FIX AND MAYBE THE FUTURE OF THE FLEET.

YES. I MEAN, FOR RIGHT NOW, WE WILL HAVE TO USE THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE.

WE DO HAVE SOME NEW VEHICLES COMING IN.

WE RECEIVED THREE OF THEM TODAY.

WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE COMING, I BELIEVE, NEXT MONTH.

IS IT A BUS? WELL, THE NEW VEHICLE TODAY WAS THREE MINIVANS WHICH ARE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE.

EVERYTHING WE GET IS WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE.

SO LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TO USE THE FLEET THAT WE HAVE NOW.

BUT THIS TYPE OF SOFTWARE, WE'RE ABLE TO SET IT UP SO WE CAN MAKE DIFFERENT AREAS.

SO WE DON'T WANT A BIG 50, WHICH YOU USUALLY SEE OUT HERE GOING DOWN A DEAD END STREET OR GOING INTO A OK THAT IT CAN'T TURN AROUND.

WE CAN SECTION THOSE SECTIONS OFF SO THAT ONLY THE SMALLER MINIVANS GO THERE.

THE SENIOR HOMES, THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOT FROM THEM IS THEY LIKE THE VEHICLE TO PULL UP FRONT TO THE DOOR SO WE CAN SECTION THAT SECTION OFF FOR THE SMALLER MINIVANS.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO GO THERE.

AND THEN AS FAR AS WE DON'T WANT IT, WE'VE TRIED REAL HARD TO GET OUT OF THE PARKING LOTS WITH THE BIGGER VEHICLES AND WE'VE DONE PRETTY GOOD, SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT SO WE CAN SECTION THAT OFF TOO, SO THAT THE SMALLER VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO PULL UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF WALMART.

SO TO DROPPING THEM OFF AT THE SIDE WHERE THEY HAVE TO WALK OVER FURTHER.

THIS IS A I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE Y'ALL SUBSIDIZED THROUGH GRANT FUNDING OR SOMEHOW, I MEAN, HOW DOES THIS.

YES, OKAY.

YES. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT YOUR MATH WOULD ADD UP WITH THIS.

CHEAP RATES AND DISTANCES Y'ALL COVER BECAUSE IT'S A BIG COUNTY.

WE PAY A COST AS A MEMBER OF CITY, TOO.

YES. OKAY.

AND THAT'S OTHER IN OTHER CITIES DO AS WELL.

YES. YES. ALL THE CITIES THAT HAVE FIXED ROUTE PAY A LOCAL SHARE AND THEN FUNDING THROUGH TEXDOT AND FTA.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS. OKAY.

YES. AND THAT FUNDING IS BASED OFF OF POPULATION SQUARE MILEAGE, HEAD COUNT ON THE BUSSES, WHAT THE CITIES PAY IN ALL THAT GOES IN AND MAKES THE FORMULA AND THEY DECIDE HOW MUCH WE GET EACH YEAR.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GO AWAY FROM FIXED ROUTES.

IS IT BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON DEMAND? RIGHT. SO THE BUS STOPS, STAY HERE.

BUT THEY HAVE TO HIT A BUTTON AND CALL FOR SOMEBODY TO COME.

IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO COME WITHOUT.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THE FIXED ROUTE GOES AWAY? CORRECT. WOULD WOULD THERE BE A TRANSITION OR WOULD IT JUST BE LIKE A COLD, LIKE JUST, YOU KNOW, SETTING IT UP SO MONDAY THAT WE'RE GOING.

YOU AWAY COMPLETELY FROM IT.

YOU SAID THIS WAS A ONE YEAR TRIAL, RIGHT? IT'LL BE A ONE YEAR PILOT FROM THE TIME THAT WE STARTED.

SO. BUT EVEN THEN, ARE YOU IS IT IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE A TRANSITION OR IS IT JUST GOING TO HAPPEN? IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT WE ACTUALLY GET TO GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF IT.

SO THEY'LL BE FULLY AWARE OF IT BY THE TIME THAT IT HAPPENS.

SO. AND WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING MORE AROUND JANUARY THE 1ST AND JANUARY THE 1ST MARCH THE 1ST BEFORE THIS HAPPENS.

I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT.

MY ONE CONCERN, AND IT'S PROBABLY BEEN ECHOED BY MANY OTHER PEOPLE ALREADY IS IS JUST THAT TRANSITION FROM WHEN YOU GO FROM THE FIXED ROUTES TO THE APP OR WHATEVER THE DESIGNATION OF.

JUST BOOKING A TRIP.

JUST PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO GET MISSED IN THE TRANSITION, THAT'S ALL.

I'M JUST THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS JUST THAT AS WE TRANSITION THAT SOMEBODY GETS DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE, SO TO SPEAK, AND GETS LEFT BEHIND.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET BACK INTO IT.

THAT'S ONCE YOU'RE OUT OF IT, HOW DO YOU GET BACK INTO THE INTO THE CONNECTION.

SO BUT OBVIOUSLY IT SOUNDS LIKE Y'ALL ARE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO.

YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

KNOW WE'VE BEEN RUNNING FIXED ROUTE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY SINCE 2010.

AND THE PEOPLE WHO RIDE IT, SOME OF THEM HAVE RODE IT SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.

WE GET NEW ONES ALL THE TIME, TOO.

BUT YOU LET THAT BUS BE 5 OR 10 MINUTES LATE AND THEY'RE CALLING THE 800 NUMBER TO FIND OUT WHERE IT'S AT.

SO THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN HERE.

OKAY. GREAT.

ANYBODY ELSE. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

YEAH, SOUNDS FAVORABLE.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WELL, YEAH. I'M NUMBER TEN PRESENTATION DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE NEW EXISTING ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY PRESENTED BY MACKLEMORE LUNG.

[10. Presentation, discussion and possible action on the feasibility study for the new/existing animal control facility presented by McClemore Luong.]

MACKLEMORE. RIGHT.

SO THIS GUY UP IN AUSTIN AND AUSTIN POSTED I KNOW ABOUT.

BUT AFTER THAT I SAW HIM LIKE I THINK OR MAYBE IT WAS IT WAS AT THE PCA DINNER.

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IT WAS SOMETHING. SO I'LL JUST INTRO REAL QUICK.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT FACILITIES AND PRIORITIES.

ANIMAL CONTROL CAME UP AS ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING SOME THOUGHTS TO YOU FOR SOME GUIDANCE OR NOT IF WE MOVE THIS FORWARD AS WE HAVE.

YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT SITES.

THE OLD MUNICIPAL POOL JUST NORTH OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL THERE WHERE THE BARNS USED TO BE, AND IT'S SAME EXISTING FACILITY.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WE LOOKED AT FEASIBILITY OF WHAT REQUIREMENTS COULD BE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S OUT THERE FOR THE TAKING IS A REGIONAL, REGIONAL ANIMAL CONTROL, WHICH WE WOULD GET SOME FUNDING FROM OTHER CITIES TO PROVIDE THE HOUSING OF ANIMALS.

THEY WOULD STILL DO THE THE CATCHING AND BRINGING, AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE HOUSING AND ADOPTION AND AND I GUESS MAINTENANCE IS A BETTER WORD.

SO WE JUST WANT TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD TO YOU TO SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE OR GET SOME GUIDANCE AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU. MR. WHITTAKER. I MY NAME IS RYAN MACKLEMORE.

MACKLEMORE YOUNG ARCHITECTS CITY IS TASKED US, AS CHRIS HAD SAID, IT'S KIND OF A TWO PART EXERCISE, RIGHT? FACILITY ASSESSMENT AND THEN FEASIBILITY STUDY OF A FEW SITES FOR A NEW FACILITY.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS THING.

GOT A LASER POINTER ON IT BY CHANCE? NO. YES.

BUT THAT ONE IS. YEAH. YEAH, WE'LL WORK THROUGH IT.

OKAY, SO BRIEF AGENDA HERE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE EXISTING BUILDING ASSESSMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY AND THEN OUR SIDEWALK AND OBSERVATIONS.

AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH A PROGRAM VERIFICATION EXERCISE AND GOING THROUGH KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT ROOM DATA SHEETS, SQUARE FOOT ALLOCATIONS AND OH, THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AND BLOCKING EXERCISES.

AND THEN WE MOVED INTO PLAN STUDIES, RIGHT? TEST FITTING THESE SITES AND ALSO MAYBE LOOKING AT KIND OF PHASING STRATEGIES OF THAT.

AND THEN WHAT IS THE COST, RIGHT? CONCEPTUAL BUDGET.

AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

FIRST SLIDE.

SO HISTORY.

SO THE EXISTING FACILITY OFF OF SOUTH ANDERSON STREET, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO GO THERE.

IT PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.

IT WAS BUILT IN 1992.

IT IS A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING CURRENTLY AGAIN FUNCTIONS AS ANIMAL SERVICES.

THE CURRENT PROGRAM IN THAT BUILDING IS YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT 20 DOG KENNELS, 35 CAT KENNELS, THREE ADOPTION ROOMS, CAT ISOLATION ROOM, DOG ISOLATION ROOM INTAKE ROOM, A RECENTLY RENOVATED ADMIN AND LOBBY SPACE ONE OFFICE FOR BRENDA, ONE RESTROOM, AND A COMBO SURGERY, I.T.

AND STORAGE ROOM.

SO THE EXISTING FACILITY ASSESSMENTS, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THIS FACILITY.

IT WASN'T JUST ME.

WE WENT OUT THERE WITH BRENDA AND CHIEF DAHLSTROM.

WE ALSO WENT OUT THERE WITH JEFF AND HECTOR WITH YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND WE JUST KIND OF WALKED THROUGH IT AND WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF IDENTIFY A FEW ISSUES HERE.

I MEAN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE BIG ONES.

AND WE TRIED TO LOOK AT IT FROM, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO SEPARATE ANIMAL CONTROL ISSUES AND BUILDING ISSUES.

RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO.

SO SOME OF THE OBSERVED BUILDING ISSUES, AS I HAD SAID, YOU RECENTLY DID ACTUALLY RENOVATE THE LOBBY AND ADMIN AREA.

IT DEFINITELY IMPROVED THE ADOPTION EXPERIENCE.

RIGHT? SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S A PRO OF THE BUILDING.

GETTING INTO SOME OF THE CONS, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES YOU HAVE OUT THERE IS ADA CODE ISSUES, RIGHT? THERE IS CURRENTLY NO HANDICAPPED PARKING, THERE IS NO ADA ACCESSIBLE PATH TO THE BUILDING.

THIS FACILITY IS AN ADOPTION FACILITY.

YOU GOT YOUR PUBLIC COMING IN HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY LACKING ON THOSE PROVISIONS TO MEET THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A AFTERMARKET INSTALLED TRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT FUNCTIONING THE WAY THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER THERE, THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE RAISED PLATFORM THAT THE KENNELS ARE CURRENTLY SITTING ON.

AND THE TRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM IS USED TO BASICALLY FLUSH OUT ALL THE THE THE ANIMAL MESS.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LEAK IN THAT TRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE SOME FLEX SEAL THAT HAS COME IN TO TRY TO PREVENT THAT LEAKING, BUT IT'S JUST NOT WORKING.

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RIGHT. AND SO ALL OF THAT MATERIAL IS ESSENTIALLY SPILLING OUT INTO THE CIRCULATION SPACE.

SO BRENDA AND HER STAFF, THEY'RE HAVING TO WALK THROUGH THAT MESS EVERY DAY AND IT DOESN'T SMELL GOOD EITHER.

THERE'S NO P-TRAP TO BLOCK SEWER GASES FROM COMING BACK INTO THE FACILITY.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S AN UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE THAT IS NOT EASILY FIXED STRUCTURAL PATCH JOBS.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE IN THIS TOP LEFT HAND CORNER, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF RUST AND DETERIORATION IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURAL MEMBERS.

AND SO THIS PARTICULAR COLUMN WAS ACTUALLY CUT OUT AND REPLACED.

AND SO TEMPORARILY, IT IT FIXED THE JOB.

BUT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT TO THIS FACILITY IS A QUESTION YOU NEED TO ASK.

AGAIN, WE GOT RUSTING AND DETERIORATING STRUCTURAL PRIMARY ELEMENTS.

THIS IS A BIG STRUCTURAL SUPPORT FOR THE OVERHEAD DOOR IN THE BACK.

I MEAN, THE BOTTOM OF IT'S COMPLETELY RUSTED OUT, RAIN WATER, EVENT, WATER INTRUSION.

YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME IT RAINS, THE WAY THAT THE SITE IS, IS SITUATED, THAT WATER BUILDS UP AROUND THE BUILDING AND ACTUALLY COMES INTO THE FACILITY.

HVAC SYSTEM IS INADEQUATE AND NOT TO CODE.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS KIND OF A PICTURE.

IT MAY BE HARD TO SEE, BUT YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT FLEX DUCT.

RIGHT? AND SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SHARING THE SAME HVAC SYSTEM WITH THE ADMIN SPACE THAT YOU ARE WITH THE ANIMAL SPACE AND YOU WANT TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO INSULATION. WHEN WE WERE WALKING THE FACILITY THE OTHER DAY, IT WAS MAYBE 95 OUTSIDE AND INSIDE THE AC WAS RUNNING, BUT IT WAS STILL 84 DEGREES INSIDE THE KENNEL AREA.

AND PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR INSULATION, RIGHT? THAT IS NOT TO CODE ANY LONGER.

IT'S DETERIORATING. IT'S FALLING OFF TO TYPICAL PRE ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING INSULATION WILL BE IN 19 WITH A VINYL FACE BACKER ON IT.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO VINYL FACE.

YOU JUST HAVE EXPOSED INSULATION THAT'S JUST PEELING OFF AND IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND THE FACILITY AND IT'S ON THE ROOF AS WELL.

HOLES IN THE EXISTING EXTERIOR.

IF YOU WALK THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THAT OVER TIME THERE HAS BEEN AN ATTEMPT TO SORT OF PATCH THESE HOLES, BUT THE RUST IS STILL DETERIORATING YOUR PANELS AND YOU'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE THIS ISSUE AND YOU'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE WATER INTRUSION ISSUES.

AND I GUESS LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS THERE'S CURRENTLY NO FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN THE BUILDING.

AND I MEAN, WE HAVE LIVE ANIMALS IN KENNELS, RIGHT? AND SO JUST KIND OF PROCESS THAT A LITTLE BIT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF HUMANITY THERE.

AND AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TO LOOK AT AND POSSIBLY ADDRESS.

SO GETTING INTO.

THE PROGRAM.

SO THE CITY HAS ALREADY HAD A KIND OF A DESIRED PROGRAM BASED OFF OF TRENDS AND AND BASED OFF PROJECTED GROWTH.

AND SO OUR JOB WAS SORT OF TO COME IN AND VERIFY THE PROGRAM, PUT IT THROUGH SOME SCRUTINY, AND THEN DEVELOP THAT PROGRAM.

WE DID THIS THROUGH A ROOM DATA SHEET EXERCISE.

THESE ROOM DATA SHEETS ARE EVERY SPACE IN THE BUILDING.

AND WE GO IN AND WE DOCUMENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROOM, NEED A FLOOR DRAIN, RIGHT? AND SO WE CAPTURE ALL THAT DATA AND IT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE COST ESTIMATES TO THE PROJECT AND IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO HAVE A DOCUMENT TO BACK CHECK AND HOLD THE TEAM ACCOUNTABLE AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO ENSURE BRENDA AND HER STAFF GET EVERYTHING THAT THEY ASK FOR.

IN THE BEGINNING WE DID THIS IN PROBABLY 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT MEETINGS, BOTH VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON WITH BRENDA AND CHIEF DAHLSTROM WORK THROUGH ALL OF THE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS.

AND WHAT WE UTILIZE THAT ROOM DATA SHEET FOR IS ALSO TO DEVELOP SPACE ALLOCATIONS, RIGHT? SO WE TOOK THE ROOM DATA SHEETS AFTER LOOKING THROUGH THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU TELL ME YOU WANT A TRAINING ROOM, RIGHT? YOU SAY THERE'S 15 PEOPLE IN THAT TO GO IN AND SIZE THIS STUFF AND ASSIGN A SQUARE FOOTAGE TO IT.

AND SO WORKING THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, A FEW SPACES, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM FOR ABOUT 20 TO 25 FOLKS DESIRED DOG KENNELS.

THE EXISTING FACILITY HAS 20.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROPOSED OF 50 NEW INDOOR OUTDOOR DOG KENNELS, 4 TO 6 ISOLATION KENNELS.

20 TO 30 STRAY HOLD KENNELS.

2 TO 4. RECOVERY KENNELS.

CAT KENNELS. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 56 KENNELS, 20 ISOLATION, 10 TO 20 STRAY KENNELS AND 6 TO 8 RECOVERY KENNELS.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY ADMIN SPACE IN THERE.

THERE'S SUPPORT SPACE.

THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER TYPES OF FUNCTIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THAT BUILDING WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP.

WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE AROUND A 14,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.

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SO MOVING INTO THE DESIGN PORTION, RIGHT? SO WE SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME COLLECTING DATA AND THEN A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME ASSIGNING SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THAT DATA.

SO THEN WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO DEVELOP A PLAN? SO OUR PROCESS IS WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK IN OUR OFFICE AND WASTE Y'ALL'S TIME DEVELOPING A PLAN THAT NOBODY LIKES, RIGHT? SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE HANDS ON.

SO WE GO THROUGH THIS BLOCKING EXERCISE SO WE MAKE BLOCKS, BOXES, BLOCKS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL SPACE, AND WE SIT DOWN WITH ALL THE USERS.

RIGHT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS JUST CHIEF JOHNSON AND BRENDA.

THAT'S NICOLE THERE WITH OUR WITH OUR OFFICE.

AND WE LAY OUT STRATEGIES.

RIGHT. WHAT IS A GOOD WAY FOR YOU ALL TO FLOW? EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT.

HOW DOES THE CITY OF ANGLETON WANT TO DO IT? SO WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH SOME SCENARIOS.

AND WHERE THAT LED US IS TO A PLAN LIKE THIS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAIL, BUT I'LL STICK TO SORT OF THE HIGH LEVEL, KIND OF BIG COLOR PIECES.

RIGHT? SO YOU ENTER THE LOBBY HERE.

ONE BIG COMPONENT TO THIS PROJECT IS EXPANDING YOUR ADOPTION CAPABILITIES.

AND SO WHEN YOU WALK IN THIS LOBBY LOBBY TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL HAVE THREE ADOPTION KENNELS AND THEN FOUR ADDITIONAL ADOPTION AREAS DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM TO THE LEFT WOULD BE CAT ADOPTION, AND THEN RIGHT HERE WOULD BE RECEPTION AREA.

AND SO THAT'S A SECURE LOBBY, RIGHT? AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS THROUGH HERE AND THEN INTO WHAT AGAIN, THE ADOPTION SPACE OR YOU CAN MOVE INTO WHAT WE'RE CALLING SORT OF THE BACK OF HOUSE SPACE AND THE KENNEL AREA.

SO IN YELLOW WOULD BE WHAT WE CALL ALL OF THE ADMIN AREAS.

THE ONE BIG ITEM TO HIGHLIGHT THERE IS THE TRAINING ROOM IN LET'S SEE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT HERE WOULD BE THE SALLY PORT, RIGHT? AND SO WE CALL THIS ANIMAL INTAKE.

SO VEHICLES ARE PULLING IN, OFFLOADING ANIMALS VERY SIMILAR TO OPERATIONS THAT YOUR POLICE FACILITY.

YOU GO THROUGH AN INTAKE PROCESS HERE AND YOU EVALUATE THE ANIMALS AND THEN YOU TAKE THEM INTO EITHER A A ISOLATION AREA HERE.

THIS WOULD BE DOG ISOLATION OR YOU TAKE THEM INTO CAT ISOLATION IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE PARVO, THAT THE ANIMALS CAN ACTUALLY GO INTO STRAY HOLD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN GET ALONG WITH THE GENERAL POPULATION AND GENERAL POPULATION.

YOU SEE THE ROW OF KENNELS HERE, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT A ROW OF KENNELS HERE.

AND THESE ARE INDOOR OUTDOOR KENNELS.

IT'S ROUGHLY FIVE BY EIGHT.

THERE'LL BE A GUILLOTINE DOOR ALONG THE EXTERIOR WALL THAT ALLOW ACCESS TO, I GUESS, THE OUTDOOR KENNEL PORTION.

IT'S EASIER FOR BRENDA AND HER STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO ENTER THE KENNEL AND OPEN A DOOR.

THERE'S A KIND OF A POOL STYLE GUILLOTINE DOOR THAT WILL RAISE UP AND LET THE ANIMALS IN AND OUT.

SO WHERE WOULD THIS FACILITY GO? AS MR. WHITTAKER HAD MENTIONED, THERE WAS A FEW SITES WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE, RIGHT.

THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE EXISTING ANIMAL FACILITY SITE.

THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE THE SITE JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE EXISTING FACILITY.

AND THE THIRD WOULD BE RIGHT HERE OFF OF SOUTH VELASCO STREET.

SO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITE.

FIRST ONE, LET'S LOOK AT THE VELASQUEZ SITE.

RIGHT. SO THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW SITE.

IT TAKES THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND PUTS IT IN A NEW LOCATION.

THERE IS CURRENTLY AN EXISTING DRIVE HERE, DWYER STREET.

DWYER STREET'S FUTURE PLANS ARE TO ACTUALLY STRAIGHTEN IT OUT AND EXIT RIGHT HERE OFF ALASCO SO IT WILL NO LONGER BE COMING THROUGH THE SITE LIKE THIS. THERE WAS ALSO AN EXISTING POOL ON SITE THAT'S NO LONGER THERE ANYMORE.

YOU CAN START TO SEE WHAT IS A 14,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT LOOK LIKE ON THIS SITE.

AND SO ESSENTIALLY, THIS WHITE BLOCK HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOME PUBLIC PARKING COMPONENTS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME STAFF, PARKING COMPONENTS, POSSIBLE DETENTION AND THEN OUTDOOR PLAY AREAS, RIGHT? ADOPTION PLAY AREAS, DOG RUNS, AND THEN ROOM FOR FUTURE EXPANSION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE AFTER YOU START ADDING IN ALL THESE COMPONENTS, IT REALLY STARTS TO FILL UP THE SITE.

SO MOVING TO MAYBE ANOTHER OPTION IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU BUILD ON THE EXISTING SITE.

THE BIG ISSUE IS, IS YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SIGHT CONSTRAINT.

THE CITY DOES OWN THIS PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND A LITTLE BIT OF THIS PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.

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IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS PARK, BUT YOU CAN AGAIN SEE THE LIMITATIONS OF OPERATING WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE.

HERE YOU'RE PRETTY LIMITED.

AND THEN THE PUBLIC PARKING AND AND STAFF PARKING ARE ARE REALLY QUITE NONEXISTENT IN THIS SCENARIO.

AND THE OTHER SORT OF ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS SITE IS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE ANIMALS WHEN YOU DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING TO BUILD NEW.

SO ALL SORTS OF CHALLENGES YOU GOT TO WORK THROUGH.

I THINK BRENDA TAKES HIM.

TO HER RESIDENTS, I THINK.

OH, RICHIE, I VOTE FOR THAT.

SO THEN WE LOOKED AT THE THIRD OPTION, RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU BUILD THE SITE TO THE NORTH? SO YOU CAN SEE YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE MORE ROOM AND SPACE UP HERE.

WE HAVE WE HAVE PUBLIC PARKING, WE'VE GOT STAFF PARKING.

YOU'VE GOT YOUR 14,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.

YOU'VE GOT PLAY AREAS, YOU'VE GOT ADOPTION PLAY AREAS, YOU'VE GOT ROOM FOR FUTURE GROWTH, FUTURE PARKING EXPANSION, AND YOU'VE GOT ROOM FOR DETENTION BACK HERE IN THE BACK.

SO IF I COULD THROW SOMETHING IN THERE REAL QUICK.

ON THIS LOCATION.

I KNOW. I'M JUMPING ON YOUR. I DON'T WANNA STEP ON YOUR TOES TOO MUCH, BUT THERE'S A PROPERTY LINE THERE.

A RESIDENTIAL. THAT FACES THE NORTH SIDE? YES, SIR. SO I'D PROBABLY COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF.

A HEDGE OF PROTECTION, EITHER TREES OR SOMETHING, THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE, I KIND OF LIKE THIS LOCATION BEST.

BUT BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO ENGINEER SOME SORT OF, LIKE I SAID, SOME SORT OF HEDGE, SOME SORT OF PINES.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY TO THOSE PEOPLE SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY BACKING RIGHT UP TO A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT MAY BE ACCESSED AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY, ESPECIALLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DELIVERIES ARE FOR, THOSE DROP OFFS FOR THE ANIMALS, WHICH I IMAGINE IF YOU'RE COMING SOME DISTANCE COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. YOU'RE BACKING IN, YOUR FLASHLIGHTS ARE BEAMING RIGHT INTO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMEBODY.

ANYWAY, FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

I MEAN, GOOD COMMENTS.

I MEAN AND FURTHER TO THAT, I MEAN, ONE ONE MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A PRO, BUT THE RESIDENTS HERE ARE ALREADY KIND OF USED TO THAT TYPE OF OPERATION HAPPENING SOMEWHAT CLOSE, UNLIKE IF YOU BACK UP.

A LOCATION LIKE THIS, RIGHT? IT WAS A POOL. IT IS NOTHING NOW AND THEN YOU VERY POSSIBLY COULD HAVE AN ANIMAL SHELTER IN THEIR BACKYARD.

SO. BACK TO THIS 14,000 SQUARE FOOT WRITE CITY MAY NOT BE READY TO TAKE ON 14,000 SQUARE FOOT.

SO WHAT DO YOU DO? WELL, IN THIS SCENARIO, IN THE DIFFERENT COLORS, WE'RE LOOKING AT PHASING THIS THING.

RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE STUDY THAT HAS TO GO INTO A PHASING STRATEGY.

BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY YOU COULD CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH THAT.

RIGHT. AND SO IN BLUE, I THINK WE'RE ALLOCATING SOMETHING ABOUT RIGHT AROUND 3000FT² FOR POSSIBLY PHASE ONE AND THEN THE LATER PHASES IN PINK AND YELLOW.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ALWAYS A WILD CARD OF ADDITIONAL FOLKS, YOUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO HOP ON BOARD.

AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT PHASING AS WELL? AND ONE SORT OF VARIATION TO THAT OPTION AND AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT PHASING IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU LEAVE THE EXISTING FACILITY IN PLACE AND YOU BUILD A SMALLER COMPONENT TO THE NORTH.

WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR YOU? I MEAN, IT DOES ALLOW FOR, AGAIN, THE PROJECT TO BE PHASED.

IT DOES ALLOW FOR EXPANSION.

IT DOES ALLOW FOR US TO PROVIDE POSSIBLY KENNELS WITHIN THE FIRST PHASE SO THAT WHEN YOU COME IN, IN A LATER PHASE, YOU CAN RELOCATE THE ANIMALS INTO THE PRIOR PHASES.

THE OTHER KIND OF INTERESTING THING THAT THIS DOES IS UNLIKE THIS OPTION WHERE IT IS PRIMARILY DEDICATED TO ONE LARGE ANIMAL FACILITY, IT PRESERVES THE BACK HALF OF THIS PROPERTY FOR A FUTURE CITY DEVELOPMENT IF NEEDED.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME PROS AND CONS TO THIS OPTION, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING TO SHOW THE THE ABILITY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THAT SITE FOR FUTURE USE.

SO WHAT COULD THAT SMALL WHAT COULD THIS SMALL LITTLE COMPONENT BE LIKE? RIGHT. AND SO IF WE BROKE OUT SOME OF THAT PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE AN ADOPTION CENTER, RIGHT? BUT IT WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF KENNELS.

AND THIS IS A REALLY FLUID PLAN.

AND EVERYTHING Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT IS REALLY CONCEPTUAL STILL.

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RIGHT? BUT REALLY, REALLY WE NEED TO PROVIDE KENNELS.

WE NEED TO PROVIDE LOBBY, WE NEED TO PROVIDE ADOPTION AREAS.

AND MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TRAINING COMPONENT AND OFFICE SPACE.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT MAYBE, MAYBE THE PHASE ONE PROGRAM COULD DEVELOP OUT TO.

CONCEPTUAL BUDGET.

SO WE HAVE A FEW COMPARABLES DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM.

CITY OF BAYTOWN.

THEY BUILT ABOUT A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY IN 2020 AT AROUND $440 A SQUARE FOOT.

5.3 MILLION.

CITY OF PEARLAND 2019 $21,474.

SQUARE FOOT AROUND 9.95.

AND THEN YOUR NEIGHBORS CITY OF LAKE JACKSON AROUND 13,500 SQUARE FOOT.

THEY'RE STILL CURRENTLY IN THE BIDDING PROCESS.

THAT IS A 2023 NUMBER.

THEY DID IT FOR AROUND $480 A SQUARE FOOT, ABOUT 6.5 MILLION.

FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FOOT.

THERE'S THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADD ON FACTOR, RIGHT? WE'RE DEALING WITH INFLATION.

SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BY THE TIME THE CITY IS READY TO MAKE A COMMITMENT IN A DIRECTION THAT THAT NUMBER MAY BE AROUND $500 A SQUARE FOOT AND AT ABOUT 7 MILLION. HOWEVER, YOU LOOK AT A PHASED APPROACH, IT COULD BE AROUND 3000 SQUARE FOOT AT AGAIN, $500 A SQUARE FOOT.

THAT COULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1.5 MILLION.

AND THEN THE LATER PHASES, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STUDY TO BE DONE ON THAT.

BUT FROM THERE, I'LL TURN IT TO QUESTIONS AND NEXT STEPS.

FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S HELPFUL. I KNOW THERE'S A GROWING NEED FOR THAT.

THE ANIMAL SERVICES TO BE RENOVATED OR TO BE REBUILT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS REALLY AROUND PHASING VERSUS ALTOGETHER.

UM. I FEEL LIKE WE'D BE IN THE SAME POSITION EVERY SINGLE TIME BY FACING IT.

WHERE WE TRY TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING AND THEN CHANGE IT UP.

IT WASN'T BUILT EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A GENERAL PURPOSE AT THE TIME.

AND THEN WE JUST KEEP CHANGING IT AND TRYING TO ADD TO IT.

I THINK BY PHASING IT THAT PHASE ONE, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE OFFICES, YOU'D TRY TO PUT KENNELS IN AND TRY TO MAKE IT EVERYTHING THAT IT COULD BE AT THAT MOMENT.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST USE OF OF OUR MONEY WHEN WE DO IT.

SO. SO I ASKED THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE $7 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY.

ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE.

AND SO I WAS TRYING TO FIND MAYBE A SOLUTION WHERE FOR A LESSER AMOUNT WE CAN GET AT SOLVING THE START SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE IN THERE IS IS, YOU KNOW, GOOD TO DECENT TO GOOD.

WE JUST WE HAVE STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND.

I. SO I JUST I ASKED THEM TO GIVE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY $7 MILLION.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT IT? RIGHT. SO I'M ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THAT.

I'D PREFER TO.

PHASE IT BECAUSE OF THE FINANCES.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE MAYOR'S CONCERN AND, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S INCUMBENT ON.

THE MAYOR AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO.

STAY THE COURSE OR IF ANYTHING.

ADD TO THE COURSE AS THE ADDITIONS BECOME.

UM. I GUESS, RELEVANT TO ACT UPON.

UH. I GUESS I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT? LIEUTENANT DAHLSTROM AND BRENDA, THINK ABOUT PHASING AS OPPOSED TO.

I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH? IF YOU ADOPT MORE. YES.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IN THE BEGINNING IS ALL AT ONE TIME.

NO, I MEAN, NO, I WOULD SAY NO.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DESIGNING IT THE SAME TIME, BUT DEVELOPING IT IN PHASES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YES. YES. DESIGN AT ONE TIME.

AT ONE TIME. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ADDING ON AND EVEN FOR THE FUTURE, HOW WE HAVE IT SET UP AND LET ME GET THEIR FINAL.

IS. EVERYTHING ON THE ALL THE KENNELS ON THE THE BACK WOULD BE ON THE EAST SIDE.

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THOSE CAN WE GROW FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS? KEEP THOSE PODS CAN KEEP GETTING FURTHER.

OH, THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH.

THE FRONT PART, I THINK, IS EVERYTHING.

AND THAT THAT ME AND BRENDA COULD EVER THINK OF AS FAR AS GROWTH FOR FOR.

IT'LL BE ABLE TO HANDLE EVERYTHING AND IT'LL HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED.

BUT UNTIL THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP RUNNING OPERATIONS OUT OF THE CURRENT AND THEN MAINLY MOVE THE ADOPTION CENTER AND ALL OF THAT.

IF WE PHASED IT TO LIKE THAT PHASE ONE, THAT WOULD BE.

AND THEN AS IT GREW AND WITH DIFFERENT PHASES, WHETHER BOND OR WHATEVER, WE WOULD JUST MOVE THOSE, WHATEVER WE GAINED IN THAT PHASE OPERATION TO THE NEW SPOT AND PULL IT FROM THE OLD, AND THAT GOES TO LOCATION A I'VE.

YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING OFF OF 288? BECAUSE ACCESSIBILITY, ALTHOUGH YOU DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CROSSING.

288 SOUTH BUSINESS SOUTH.

BUT I THINK THE CURRENT LOCATION I THINK I WOULD GO WITH.

THE CURRENT LOCATION, PLUS THE NORTH LOT.

THE NORTH LOT NORTH NORTH OF THE CURRENT LOCATION.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT.

AND THAT MAY ALSO WORK BETTER WITH THE PHASING BECAUSE YOU WOULD STILL HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE OPERATIONS VERSUS AND THEN AND THEN BY GOING INTO PHASING AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE MAYOR'S CONCERN IS.

AT LEAST IF WE PHASE, WE CAN ACT SOONER AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE HAVING TO HOLD OFF ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE WE GET INTO A POSITION WHERE WE CAN SECURE THE FUNDING FOR A $7 BILLION FACILITY.

YEAH, I'M FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT AGAINST PHASING.

I'M JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S.

THEN GOING TO BECOME A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD AND WE HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO CHANGE IT UP AGAIN.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, CAT URINE.

I'M SORRY. IT'S HARD TO GET OUT THE SMELL AND SUDDENLY IT'S AN OFFICE AND IT'S IN THE CONCRETE.

AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIX THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING OF THOSE THINGS, TRYING TO MAKE IT ALL ENCOMPASSING AT ONE TIME.

NOW, IF YOU PHASED IT TO WHERE YOU PUT YOUR ADMIN AND THE WAY IT'S GOING TO GO IN THE FIRST PHASE AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE ADOPTION CENTER IN THERE SOMEWHERE. AND THEN AS YOU BUILD, YOU, YOU BRING THEM OVER.

I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THE THE ONE LITTLE PIECE EVERYTHING ALL AT ONE TIME.

AND THE DRAG IS YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND 2 MILLION UP FRONT.

AND INSTEAD OF BEING A $7 MILLION PROJECT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE A 9 OR 10 MILLION.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

BY YOUR BY YOUR PHASING CONCEPT, WERE YOU THINKING OF BUILDING.

THE SHELL IN ITS ENTIRETY, THE ENTIRE SLAB AND STRUCTURE.

AND THEN JUST ADD ON INTERIOR OR OR BUILD ADD ON TO EACH SLAB AND STRUCTURE AS YOU AS YOU PROGRESS.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.

BUT THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED I THINK WOULD BE PROBABLY THE BETTER OF THE STRATEGIES YOU BUILD THE SHELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU BUILD OUT JUST THIS COMPONENT OF THE SHELL, THE KENNELS THEMSELVES.

THESE AREN'T CMU WALL KENNELS.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE MODULAR KENNELS SO THE CITY CAN BUY AS MANY AS YOU'D LIKE, INSTALL THEM.

AND THEN AS YOU GROW, YOU CONTINUE TO BITE OFF MORE AND MORE KENNELS.

RIGHT. AND I MEAN, THERE IS SOME LIMITATIONS.

THERE WOULD BE A TRENCH DRAIN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND THINK ABOUT HOW THAT HOW THAT PHASES OUT OR HOW THAT'S INCLUDED ALL THE WAY IN PHASE ONE. BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY A STRATEGY.

AND. MR. BOOTH I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A DECENT CONCEPT.

OKAY. WELL, EXCUSE ME.

I'M SEEING A SITE PLAN FOOTPRINT, BUT I'M THINKING, IS THIS GOING TO BE AN ENCAPSULATED BUILDING? ROOF CONTAINING ALL THESE THINGS OR THESE? THIS IS AN OUTDOOR FACILITY.

THIS IS ACTUALLY ENCLOSED.

YES, SIR. HVAC SYSTEM TO KEEP THE DOGS AND CATS RELATIVELY COOL AND WARM.

YES, SIR. IT WOULD BE A FULLY ENCLOSED FACILITY, EXCEPT FOR THESE PORTIONS, THE OUTDOOR OUTDOOR ALONG HERE THAT ARE YOU KNOW, WE COULD YOU COULD STUDY SOME OF THIS AS BEING, YOU KNOW, UNCONDITIONED SPACE, BUT IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR THE ANIMALS.

BUT. RATHER THAN RATHER THAN BUILD A PIECE LIKE THIS AND THEN BUILD THE NEXT PIECE, IT A BETTER RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BUILD THE SHELL AND THEN BITE OFF AS MUCH AS THE CITY IS WILLING TO BITE OFF IN SOME OF THE EARLIER PHASES, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO, TOO.

I MEAN, IN THEORY.

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TALKING INTO THE FUTURE, BUT WE COULD ALWAYS SET A BUDGET ITEM TO WHERE YOU'RE ADDING 1 OR 2 MORE KENNELS PER BUDGET CYCLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY GO FOR.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IF IT'S A LITTLE COST PROHIBITIVE, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ADD 1 OR 2 A YEAR UNTIL YOU GET TO A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE.

MHM. IT'S JUST IN YOUR NORMAL BUDGET CYCLE AND THEN YOU'RE JUST ADDING TO IT.

THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR PHASE ONE TO BE AT LEAST APPROXIMATELY.

IS IT 20 KENNELS? IF WE WERE TO DO A PHASE ONE, YOU NEED AT LEAST 20 DOG KENNELS.

ON YOUR QUESTION, ON YOUR SEPARATE AC, THEN YOUR OFFICER IS GOING TO BE SEPARATED ON AC.

SO IF YOU HAVE KENNELS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO AC SYSTEMS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE COST.

YEAH. CAUSE QUITE A BIT.

I DON'T SEE THE LAUNDRY ROOM.

YEAH, I'M SERIOUS. THERE IS.

THERE'S A THERE'S. WE HAVE A DOG WASHING AREA.

LET'S SEE. DO WE NOT HAVE ANY WASHING? A LOT OF BLANKETS. A LOT OF TOWELS.

YEAH, WE. WE NOT HAVE A LAUNDRY ROOM IN THERE.

IT'S CONCEPTUAL.

THERE IS A LAUNDRY ROOM.

OKAY. INDUSTRIAL? YEAH. NO. YEAH. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT.

IT'S FOOD STORAGE, TOO, I ASSUME IS ON THERE.

YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND.

CAN'T. ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING THE TRENCH DRAIN? WHERE THE GUILLOTINE DOOR IS.

SO THE WAY THESE TYPICALLY WORK IS AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.

OKAY. SO ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS PROBABLY PUTTING A DRAIN ON EITHER SIDE OF OR ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DOOR.

THAT WAY YOU CAN CLOSE THE DOOR WITH THE ANIMAL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

CLEAN THAT, LET THEM BACK THROUGH, CLEAN THE OTHER SIDE.

BUT THAT'S.

NO, YOU'RE RIGHT ON.

THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS.

THERE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY TWO TRENCH DRAINING TRENCH DRAINS RUNNING PARALLEL ALONG THE EXTERIOR WALL.

SO THAT WAY WHEN YOU'RE SPRAYING OUT THESE ALSO IN REVERSE, WHEN YOU'RE SPRAYING THE OUTSIDE KENNELS, SEND THE TRENCH DRAIN.

YOU CAN LET THE ANIMAL INSIDE.

YEAH. WELL, WE'LL SAY THAT I LIKE THE DWYER STREET FOR THE VISIBILITY, BUT I THINK THE BEST SELECTIONS NORTH OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

I HAVE THE EXACT SAME OPINION.

I LIKE THE VISIBILITY, BUT I DO LIKE THERE'S MORE LAND AVAILABLE AT THE CURRENT SITE PLUS THE NORTH TRACK.

THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HERE ON THE DRIER STREET IS THE PARKING LOT AND MAYBE PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH TO GET TO 288.

THE WAY WE'RE SHOWING THERE IS THAT YOU HAVE TWO DRIVES ON EACH SIDE.

YOU KNOW, JUST BE AFRAID.

SOMEBODY BE CUTTING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.

WE MIGHT HAVE KIDS GOING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, SO, YEAH, I COULD SEE THAT.

SO THE EVENTUAL PLAN FOR THAT STREET, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT TEX-DOT APPROVED, THERE'S A GUARDRAIL THERE.

WHERE THE CULVERT IS IS JUST ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT.

AND SO THAT DWYER STREET COULD BE ALMOST STRAIGHTENED OUT.

WHERE THAT STARTS TO BAND, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME SOUTH A LITTLE BIT PROBABLY TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT MAYBE WHERE THOSE TREES ARE, RIGHT, TO CONNECT TO DWYER STREET.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE REALITY OF THE FLOW THERE AND HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THE ANIMAL CONTROL.

I THINK WHAT I SEE, WHAT MR. COUNCILMAN ROBERTS IS SAYING IS THAT YOU CUT THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT TO GO EVEN FURTHER SOUTH TO GET TO.

YEAH. THROUGH THERE TO BACKTRACK AND TRY THAT ENTRANCE WOULD GO AWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

OKAY, IT LOOKS LIKE.

WELL, THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE DESIGN.

YEAH, I THINK YOU JUST STRAIGHTEN OUT DWYER STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE.

GET RID OF THE SOUTH ENTRANCE AND THEN HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC COME IN THROUGH DWYER STREET.

YEP. OKAY.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU HOW THIS THAT CONCEPT FITS ON THAT PROPERTY SINCE WE'VE AND THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR AS BUSY AS A BUCKY'S.

OKAY. SO IT'S JUST NO DOUBT I STILL LIKE THE OTHER LOCATION BETTER THOUGH, JUST FOR LAND AVAILABILITY.

SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR A FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU GIVE IN.

AND THEN WHERE DO WE GO? WELL, I SEE THIS.

YOU'RE GOING TO STAY IN STAY IN THE EXISTING FACILITY AS SHORT OF TIME AS POSSIBLE.

BUT YOU HAVE THE EXISTING FACILITY TO HOLD YOU UNTIL.

YOU GET ENOUGH OF THAT NEW FACILITY BUILT WHERE YOU CAN MOVE.

WE'VE NOT ALL PART OF YOUR.

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BRICK OPERATIONS INTO THE NEW STUFF.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO WHICH SPECIES IS GOING TO DRAW THE BLACK BEAN, BUT, YOU KNOW, KEEP ONE OR THE OTHER IN THERE.

MAYBE. POSSIBLY IF YOU HAVE TO.

MAYBE TURN IT INTO AN AVIARY? I DON'T KNOW. BUT A LOT OF IT WILL BE ON HOW THE THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, IF WE'RE GOING TO PHASE IT IN, THEN WHATEVER DESIGN THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE PART OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE ON PHASE TWO, WHATEVER IT IS IN THE DESIGN THAT IT'S GOING TO HOLD, THAT THAT'S THE OPERATION.

AND I BELIEVE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ON YES, I'M WITH YOU.

I DO NOT WANT TO BUILD A BIG ROOM AND DO A BUNCH OF MAKESHIFT WHATEVER'S ON THE PRINT AND DESIGN, THAT'S WHAT WE GET.

AND WE'LL KEEP. AND IF.

THAT IT WON'T ALLOW WHATEVER OPERATION.

WE'LL JUST KEEP DOING THAT OPERATION IN THE OLD BUILDING UNTIL IT'S IT'S DONE.

AND THAT'S THE GOOD THING WITH THEM BEING RIGHT NEXT DOOR VERSUS.

FAR, FAR RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE'LL AT ONE POINT WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING DUAL OPERATIONS.

YEAH. YEAH, FOR SURE.

AND THE STRATEGY, TOO, IF YOU IF YOU WENT TO AGAIN, THE PHASED APPROACH WOULD BE THE ADOPTABLE ANIMALS WOULD COME FIRST, RIGHT? THOSE WOULD MOVE INTO WHAT WE WOULD CALL PHASE ONE.

AND THAT STRAY HOLD DOG ISOLATION, CAT ISOLATION THAT WOULD ALL REMAIN IN THE EXISTING BUILDING UNTIL THE CITY IS READY TO KIND OF BITE OFF THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

CORRECT. AND THE WAY THIS PLAN IS SET UP, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S REAL CLEAR KIND OF DEMISING LINES, RIGHT? AND THOSE SORT OF WERE THE IDEA OF WHERE YOU WOULD START AND STOP PHASING.

YES, SIR. BUT AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL A LOT OF DETAILS STILL WORK THROUGH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO THINK ABOUT IT.

YEAH. LAST COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I'VE GOT REALLY ARE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL AND PHIL AND CHIEF.

FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

I CAN'T GIVE DIRECTION AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN BUDGET YET FOR THE YEAR.

BUT. WOULD YOU BE GETTING ANY ADDITIONAL CITIES JOINING IN IF WE WERE BUILDING A NEW FACILITY? AND IF YOU WERE.

HOW MUCH ON PAPER IS THAT FOR US? SO. FREEPORT INCLUDE OR THEY'RE ASKING US, ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS KIND OF THING? THEY RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY BETWEEN BOTH CITIES, SPEND ABOUT $200,000 THAT THEY THAT UNOFFICIALLY THEY SAID THEY WOULD COMMIT TO GIVING TO CITY OF ANGLETON ANNUALLY.

ANNUALLY. YES.

DEBT SERVICE IN RIDGEWOOD.

WE'RE ALREADY GETTING 40,000 A YEAR.

OKAY. AND DEBT SERVICE ON, LET'S SAY, 2 MILLION.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WHAT THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS WOULD BE ON THAT WITH A CONTRACT FROM FREEPORT AND CLUTE, HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE THERE IS A WAY TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR THIS WITHOUT THE TAXPAYERS HAVING TO FUND ALL THIS.

IT'S JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT AND MAKE SURE ALL THE DUCKS IN A ROW BEFORE YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD.

THE THING IS, THE.

IF WE WERE TO TAKE IT ON.

AT WHAT POINT? I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR OUR OWN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW.

I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY FRONT COST TO GET IT BUILT AND THEN TAKE PAYMENT, WHICH COULD SUBSIDIZE A BOND PAYMENT.

RIGHT. BUT AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING OF WHAT PHASE ONE EVEN GET US CLOSE TO WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO BE FOR TAKING ON NEW CITIES? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

SO ABOUT 200,000.

ANNUAL THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN $2 BILLION ON A BOND THAT THAT DEBT SERVICE WOULD BE BUT ALSO SIX YEAH IF WE'RE HAVING TO RUN TWO OPERATIONS IT'S.

WELL, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST HOPEFULLY TWICE A STAFF.

BUT IT WOULD GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY AT THE MOMENT TO DO IT IF WE HAD TO.

BUT YOU ALSO GOT TO CONSIDER PERSONNEL IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

CORRECT. SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS YOU'RE LEADING RIGHT INTO EIGHME CHRIS, THE SOFTBALL MAN, THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE GENERAL FUND FALLS OFF, I THINK, IN TWO MORE YEARS.

A LITTLE BIT. HOW MUCH ON THE MACRO SIDE IS AVAILABLE FROM ANIMAL CONTROL OPERATIONS THAT COULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THAT AS WELL?

[02:00:01]

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OUR OUR BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AND HOW THAT WOULD FALL IN THE NEXT THREE FISCAL PERIODS.

SO IF YOU CAN GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION.

KNOWING STAFFING INCREASES.

SO COST INCREASES.

ADOPTION RATE INCREASES.

SO HERE'S. HMM.

JUST AN IDEA.

THE. IF WE DID IT IN PHASES, BUT WE DID IT AS COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMAN BOOTH SUGGESTED, BUILD OUT A FRAME AND MAYBE, AS COUNCILMAN ROBERTS SUGGESTED.

BUT WE ONLY THINK THAT TO TO TO PUT AC IN THE PHASE.

THE FIRST PART, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FRAMED OUT, WE DON'T EVEN WORRY ABOUT ADDING THE AC BECAUSE IT'S WE'RE NOT UTILIZING THAT SPACE FOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD COST US AS A PHASE ONE.

TWO TO THE PHASE ONE WOULD BE TO BUILD THAT FRONT PORTION THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT COMPLETELY WITH SETUP, HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO SET IT UP, AIR CONDITIONING AND ALL THAT, PLUS THE BACK PORTION, JUST THE SKELETON, THE WALLS OR WHATEVER, BUT WITHOUT AN AIR CONDITIONING WITH NOT INTENDED TO ACTUALLY USE IT TO HOUSE ANY ANIMALS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY SET UP TO DO THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD INSTEAD OF 1.5, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE OF A HARD FIGURE ON THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

AND. SO WE COULD.

MY IDEA WOULD MOVE QUICKER.

AND I'M GOING TO THE CONCERN THAT CITY MANAGER CHRIS WHITTAKER AND IS THAT IS AS THE MORE WE PHASE IT OUT THE.

INCREASE IN OR THE INFLATION COSTS.

SO IF WE GOT MORE DONE ON THE LUMP SUM FRONT.

THEN WE HOPEFULLY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH.

THERE WILL BE SOME, BUT HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE AS MUCH TO DEAL WITH THE.

INFLATIONARY COSTS. SO.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S AN IDEA.

SO BEING AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST.

SO REMEMBER, WE BORROWED $10 MILLION FOR THE KING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS CENTER.

WE PAID FOR GENERATORS ON TRAILER.

WE'RE PAYING FOR A FIRE STATION BUILDING.

WE'RE USING MONEY. WE USE MONEY FOR PROSPERITY BANK, WHICH IS NOW THE CITY HALL ANNEX.

SO THE FUZZY MATH.

ASSUMING ALL THINGS COME IN TO WHERE WE THINK THEY ARE, WE MIGHT HAVE ABOUT $2 MILLION.

THAT'S NOT PROGRAMED YET.

DOES THAT INCLUDE THE STREETS? SO THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE STREETS.

SO WE HAD PUT 2 MILLION IN FOR STREETS.

RIGHT. WELL, SO THE BOND YOU CAN USE IF YOU USE A $1 ON STREETS, IT COUNT IT QUALIFIES THE BOND.

SO YOU CAN SPEND UP TO $2 MILLION ON STREETS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DESIRE.

ALL I SAY IS.

THERE'S THAT AS CONSIDERATION THAT MAYBE YOU SPEND A MILLION ON STREETS AND A MILLION ON THIS IN ADDITION TO A BOND TO GET WHATEVER WE DESIRE TO ACHIEVE. OKAY.

WHICH I'M OKAY WITH DIVIDING IT UP SOMEHOW.

JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE.

I WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS STREETS.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT THIS ISSUE, BUT WE CAN GET FOR SOME SORT OF.

BUT I'M ALSO OKAY WITH ADDRESSING.

THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS BUILD OUT.

I KNOW I. I REALLY LIKE THE PLAIN OF THE FACILITY.

I THINK HE'S REALLY GOT EVERYTHING IN THERE.

I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD THIS OUT TOMORROW, BUT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING MECHANISMS IN PLACE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT. YEAH, I WOULD EVEN LIKE TO TRY TO GO FOR.

I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A PHASE AND A HALF OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN THAT WAY.

LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD IF WE DON'T GET IT DONE.

SOMEBODY ELSE CAN SEE WHERE TO GO AND WE HAVE THE BLUEPRINTS FOR IT.

SO, YEAH.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND SEE WHERE WE CAN PULL FROM AND.

IF WE CAN GET OUTSOURCE OR OUTSIDE FUNDING AS WELL.

SO I THINK I LIKE IT.

THANK YOU. SO LET ME ASK YOU, SO IT SEEMS YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.

THE ENTIRE FACILITY AS IT'S DESIGNED AND LAID OUT.

MAYBE YOU NEED US TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS.

[02:05:06]

ON IT SO WE DON'T DO THE FULL OUT SOMETHING WITH THE PROMISE THAT WE'LL FINISH IT OUT.

LATER, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL DECIDE.

AND THEN WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING, FUNDING AND DEBT AND DEBT SERVICE AND ALL THAT STUFF.

TO ME, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS.

I MEAN, IT'S NICE TO WISH AND LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF.

AND I MEAN, I JUST NEED HARD NUMBERS.

I NEED TO SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT.

YEAH. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE I MEAN, YES, I UNDERSTAND.

I WANT TO SEE WHERE WE HAVE FIT IN THE BUDGET, BUT I ALSO WANT TO SEE.

HARD NUMBERS IN THE SENSE OF THE COUPLE OF THESE OPTIONS ACTUALLY PUT US AT IF YOU IF YOU DID IT.

SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE'VE KIND OF SUGGESTED.

AND THAT WOULD HELP US TO.

YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO NEED, EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 1.5.

IT MAY SAVE US A LITTLE MORE MONEY IN THE BACK END.

YEP. I'M CLEAR.

YEAH. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SAY? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MR. BRENDAN TENNANT.

AWESOME. I MEAN. WE MAY BE MAKING THE DECISIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY, FOR ME, IN MY OPINION, THE DESIGN IS UP TO YOU ALL.

IT'S YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THE FACILITY DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

AND FOR Y'ALL TO BE COMFORTABLE, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST OBJECTIVES.

AND GOING THROUGH THE THE.

THE WORKSHEETS.

THEY WERE THEY WERE KIND OF TEDIOUS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF LOOKED AT.

AND I JUST LOOKED AT BRENDA AND GOT HER INPUT ON A LOT OF IT.

THOSE A FEW THINGS THAT I TRULY WANTED, BUT THAT WAS A SEPARATION OF SOME OF THE OPERATIONS WITH WITHIN THE SAME ROOF, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT ALL THE OFFICE AREAS AND EVERYTHING UP FRONT.

GIVE ME A SCENARIO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO OUTGROW THAT IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS AND A LOT OF IT CAME UP WITH EMPLOYEES, WELL, WHAT IF WE HAVE WE WE GROW. WE'LL HAVE EXTRA EMPLOYEES.

YEAH. BUT THEY'LL BE IN THE BACK WORKING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPANDING.

IT'S NOT OFFICE SPACE.

THEIR OFFICE IS.

OR IN ALL OF THOSE KENNEL AREAS, THE STRAY HOLDS THE THE OSCILLATIONS AS WE EXPAND OUT AND BUT TYING MY HANDS I'LL BE ON MUTE.

BUT AS WE EXPAND OUT AND WE HAVE TO GAIN OTHER EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE OR BECAUSE OF OTHER CITIES THAT WE TAKE ON AS THE SHELTER. THE FRONT HALF WILL.

I THINK WE'VE PLANNED WELL AND IT'LL LAST FOR US FOR THE LIFE OF THE BUILDING.

AND YOU HAVE YOUR CURRENT LOCATION TO.

I MEAN, EVENTUALLY, WELL AFTER I'M OFF CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU KNOW COULD BE UTILIZED FOR SOME HOW TO FOR GROWTH PURPOSES, WHETHER IT'S JUST SPACE TO RUN ANIMALS OR JUST COME UP WITH A WAREHOUSE STYLE OR WHATEVER YOU NEED, STORAGE OR WHATEVER YOU NEED THERE.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS LOCATION JUST MAKES SENSE.

IT JUST PROVIDES MORE FLEXIBILITY AS THE GROWTH.

AND LIKE I SAID, LONG AFTER I'M AFTER, I'M ALL CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY. I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU COME BACK AND SAY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE PLAN YOURSELF OUT.

THIS IS WHAT IF YOU HAD TO DO IT TODAY? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND YOU JUST GET COMMITTED TO THAT.

IN. CAN I HAVE 7 MILLION? THERE YOU GO. YEAH.

I'LL WRITE YOU A CHECK. I GOT TO GO HERE AND GIVE A CHECK.

BUT THERE GOES YOUR POLICE STATION CHIEF.

OH, STRAY CAT OR A STRAY DOG.

AND I'M SURE YOU ALREADY HAVE IT.

REACH OUT TO OTHER FACILITIES AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY WISHED THEY WOULD HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW? YES, YES, I KNOW.

BRENDA'S BEEN ALL OVER.

AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A METAL BUILDING.

THIS IS NOT PEAR LAND, ANIMAL CONTROL WITH BRICK AND MARBLE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO I THINK CATS DESERVE MARBLE.

NO, I THINK FOR TO THAT POINT, YOU SHOULD KNOW, TOO, WE'RE NOT WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE HERE.

RIGHT. WE'RE NOT. YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, KINKS IN IT.

IT'S A IT'S A CLEAN RECTANGLE.

WE'RE SETTING THIS UP TO BE AN EFFICIENT PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING.

SURE. BUT I FEEL AS THOUGH WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SORT OF MARCHING ORDERS FORWARD, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL IN ALIGNMENT, RIGHT? WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD AND THEN NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT PHASING.

AND I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US SOME DIRECTION AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT AND ROLL WITH IT.

[02:10:02]

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER 11 UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE KING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS CENTER.

[11. Update and discussion on the King Municipal Operations Center.]

MR. BOWLES, YOU WANT TO TAKE IT FIRST? FIRST OF ALL, RYAN, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, MY COMPLIMENTS TO YOU AS A PROFESSIONAL, COURTESY OF A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION, SIR.

IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.

AND IT'S REFRESHING, QUITE HONESTLY, TO SEE HOW PARALLEL PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES PROVIDERS WORK.

IT WAS KIND OF FUN TO ME TO WATCH YOUR GRANULAR APPROACH THE SAME WAY FROM THE PROGRAMING DOCUMENTS, THE PROGRAMING DATA SHEETS, EVERYTHING.

WORKING WITH THE OWNERS AND OCCUPIERS OF THE BUILDINGS, VERY SIMILAR TO THE WAY WE WORK.

SO AGAIN, MY COMPLIMENTS TO YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND YOU GOT A GOOD REPUTATION HERE IN BRAZORIA.

I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR.

SO, COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR SEEING ME.

THANKFULLY, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, MY PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER.

ACTUALLY, QUITE A LOT SHORTER.

IF WE COULD SEE. DO I HAVE CONTROL OF THE.

COOL. I CAN PUSH BUTTONS.

WOW. THANK YOU.

I'M PUSHING.

OH, THERE WE GO. SO, SITE PLAN 901, SOUTH ALASKA.

AGAIN, THIS IS KEY MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS CENTER.

WE ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN WHERE YOU ARE ON THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

BUT AGAIN, COMPLIMENTS ON THAT WONDERFUL APPROACH.

IT'S THE SAME APPROACH FROM A PROGRAMING STANDPOINT THAT WE'VE STARTED OUT HERE WORKING WITH STAFF, ASKING PROGRAM QUESTIONNAIRES, STARTING OFF WITH THE SAME BLOCK DIAGRAM, LAYOUTS PUSHING AND PULLING THEM AROUND, GETTING STAKEHOLDERS THEIR OPINION, ASKING THEM QUESTIONS.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS NOW.

BUT AGAIN, JUST AS AN OVERVIEW, JUST A REMINDER.

LET'S SEE HERE.

THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS.

OH, NO.

I BEG YOUR PARDON? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT BUTTONS ARE.

WHAT? THE MIDDLE IS THE LASER.

THE LASERS.

HERE WE GO. HERE WE GO.

I CAN WORK THIS. JUST GIVING AGUILAR A LITTLE LONGER TO WORK THIS.

SO, AGAIN, CURRENT FACILITY HERE.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ON SITE WITH A DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR.

HAVE THEY PROVIDED THE ESTIMATE TO DEMOLISH THE FIRST THIRD OF THE BUILDING? I'VE GOT ONE. OKAY.

JUST MAKE SURE. SO WE MET WITH THEM ON SITE.

THE CONCEPT NOW IS, IS THAT CLEAR? DO WE STILL NEED TO BE WORKING IN CREWS NEED TO BE WORKING IN THIS PORTION OF THE FACILITY NOW.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW KING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS CENTER IS DOWN HERE IN THIS KIND OF HORIZONTAL L-SHAPED FACILITY HERE.

THE FRONT DOOR BEING HERE AND I'LL GET INTO THIS IN JUST A LITTLE BIT IN A FEW MINUTES.

AND SO AS THIS NEW FACILITY IS BEING CONSTRUCTED, KNOWING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP OPERATIONS CONTAINED IN HERE AND OPERATING, SERVING THE CITIZENS, WE NEED TO DEMOLISH A PORTION FOR THIS FRONT BUILDING.

SO WE'VE HAD A AT LEAST AN OPTION, A QUOTE PROVIDED, SO WE COULD TAKE THAT DOWN MOST IMMEDIATELY AND THEN ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS.

WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A GOOD, APPROPRIATE DIMENSIONS BETWEEN THIS EXISTING SHED HERE AND WHERE THE NEW FOOTPRINT WOULD BE.

WE'RE STILL WAITING AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME MORE INPUTS ON SOME SITE AMENITIES.

THERE'S BEEN SOME MENTIONS OF SOME SOME GRAVEL YARDS, SOME OTHER STORAGE.

WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERS.

WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME ON SITE DETENTION.

SO WE'RE CREATING SOME PLACEHOLDERS FOR THAT, GETTING SOME QUANTITIES FOR THAT INFORMATION THERE.

BUT AGAIN, JUST AS AN OVERALL SITE LAYOUT, EVERYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

OUR INTENTIONS ARE TO KEEP BOTH ENTRANCES.

BUT AS THE REST OF THIS FACILITY IS DEMOED HERE AND AS THE NEW OK FACILITY IS CONSTRUCTED, GUESTS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ARRIVE IN CITIZENS PARKING HERE AT THE FRONT DOOR.

THIS ENTRANCE HERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE FRONT DOOR.

I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU IN A MINUTE WHEN WE GET TO THE FLOOR PLAN.

BUT CITIZENS VISITOR PARKING IS HERE AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE.

THERE'S A FAINT BLUE LINE HERE.

THAT WOULD BE A CONTROLLED FENCE KEEPING THE BACK OF HOUSE YARDS SECURE AND PRIVATE.

WE'LL GET INTO SECURITY ACCESS AT A LATER POINT IN TIME.

AGAIN, FOR THE OVERALL DESIGN CONTINUUM.

WE'RE AT A SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE, SO WE'RE IN THAT FIRST THIRD OF THE OVERALL DESIGN PHASE, SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IS THAT FULL CONTINUUM. AND THEN WE BID THAT WE GO INTO SEEING.

WE'RE JUST NOW HAVE COMPLETED THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE.

SO THE LONG TERM VISION IS, IS THAT AGAIN, THE NEW MAC FACILITY IS BUILT OUT.

THIS THEN BECOMES PARKING FOR THE ENTIRE SITE AND WE STILL MAINTAIN WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR TEMPORARY OFFICES TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS STILL MAINTAINED OPEN SITE FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE CITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

IF I CAN ADVANCE PAGE NOW.

SO AGAIN, SAME FOOTPRINT NORTH IS TO THE TOP TO BE VELASCO IS OFF TO THE WEST.

[02:15:02]

THE WAY THIS PANS OUT HERE, THIS IS YOUR FRONT ENTRANCE DRIVE HERE AGAIN, CITIZEN AND VISITOR PARKING IS OFF TO THE WEST HERE, COMING IN OFF OF VELASCO, FRONT DOOR. HERE YOU COME IN. YOU'VE GOT OUR OFFICE MANAGER SERVING AS OUR CONTROL COP.

WE HAVE A UNISEX RESTROOM HERE THAT GUESTS CAN COME IN AND OUT, BUT EVERYTHING HERE IS BEHIND SECURE DOORS HERE AND HERE.

AND THEN EVEN A STAFF ENTRANCE HERE TO THE CONFERENCE ROOM SO VISITORS CAN COME IN HERE, DO BUSINESS WITH CITY STAFF, AND DO NOT NEED TO FIND THEIR WAY BACK TO THE REST OF THE FACILITY. SO IT'S A VERY SECURE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT STILL IS VERY WELCOMING AND OPENING TO OUR CITIZENS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BUDGETS ARE CRITICAL, TIME IS CRITICAL AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS WE CAN BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE OCCUPYING THIS BUILDING THAT BASICALLY OFFICES, HARDWELL OFFICES WOULD BE ALONG THE WEST WALL.

BUT THIS INTERSECTION HERE COULD BE TEMPORARY PARTITIONS AND ONLY NEED TO BE BUILT OUT AS REQUIRED.

SO IT MAY BE BACK TO THE SIMILAR CONVERSATION YOU WERE JUST HAVING.

WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BUILD OUT THIS ENTIRE SHELL, AND IT'S ENVISIONED THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE BUILT OUT IN THIS AREA HERE.

BUT IF WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THESE CUBICLES AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WE DON'T WE DON'T INSTALL THEM.

IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE BUILDING IS BASICALLY INTO TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONDITIONS.

THIS FRONT PORTION HERE IS ALL CONDITIONED OFFICE SPACE TRAINING, RESTROOMS, BREAK ROOM LOCKER ROOMS, AND THEN THERE'S A BREEZEWAY HERE, THE COVERED BREEZEWAY.

A LOT OF THE FOLKS HERE LIKE TO SIT OUT IN THE BREEZEWAY AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND THIS IS UNCONDITIONED SPACE BACK HERE IN THE BACK FOR THE IT SERVICE VEHICLES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, AGAIN, UNCONDITIONED ROLL UP DOORS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE WAY IF NECESSARY, AND THEN SOME OTHER ACCESSORY TYPE COMPONENTS OFF TO THE TO THE TO THE EAST SIDE. EXCUSE ME.

SO ANYWAYS, WE BELIEVE THIS REPRESENTS.

IT'S A GOOD PLAN.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH AGAIN, A NUMBER OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, VETTING, TAKING THEIR COMMENTS, AND WE'RE NOW READY TO MOVE INTO THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

AGAIN, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WE HAD SOLD THIS PROJECT BEING THE CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY METHOD OF A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK TO HELP US STAY WITHIN BUDGET. WE ARE VERY MUCH AT THAT POINT.

RIGHT NOW. WE ARE PRE INTERVIEWING, IF YOU WILL, DIFFERENT GENERAL CONTRACTORS THAT ARE WANTING AND WILLING AND CAPABLE OF SERVING AS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

AND SO WE'LL BE PRESENTING THE SLATE OF THOSE CANDIDATES TO YOU VERY, VERY SOON AND WE'LL BE SETTING UP SOME INTERVIEW TIMES.

SO AS A FOREWARNING, START TALKING AMONGST YOURSELVES TO DECIDE WHO IS GOING TO BE ON THAT SELECTION COMMITTEE AND COMMITTEE IS BIG OR SMALL, AS YOU WANT. YOU KNOW, 3 TO 5 IS ABOUT AVERAGE.

IF YOU GET TOO MUCH INTO THAT, IT WELL, I'M SURE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW WELL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE OFFERED.

SO ANYWAYS, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

AGAIN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE YOU A LIST OF CMAA CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CANDIDATES VERY, VERY SOON AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PROCESS GETTING STARTED SO LONG TERM AGAIN AT THE END OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASES.

NOW WE'LL ROLL INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHEN WE GET OUR MAJOR CONSULTANTS INVOLVED STRUCTURAL, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, CIVIL ENGINEERS ALREADY INVOLVED.

THAT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS MAY TAKE ANOTHER 4 TO 5 WEEKS.

AGAIN, COUNCIL WILL AND STAFF WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AT ANY POINT ALONG THE WAY.

BUT CERTAINLY AT THE END OF THAT DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THEY WILL MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND SPECIFICATIONS.

THAT'S WHEN WE GET REALLY GRANULAR, WAY DOWN IN THE NITTY GRITTY OF ALL THE DETAILS.

AND THEN AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, AS THE CMA PROCESS, CMA PROCESS EVOLVES, THEY'RE DEVELOPING AND SUBMITTING ESTIMATES, REAL TIME ESTIMATES TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THAT BUDGET.

AND SPEAKING OF BUDGET, MR. WHITTAKER HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A VERY COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT OVERALL PROJECT COSTS DOWN TO THE FURNITURE AND EVERYTHING. WE'RE ALSO HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH AS A SOURCE GLOBAL TO ALSO TAG ON THE CONVERSATIONS WITH BWR ABOUT CAPTURING SOME WATER HERE FOR NOT ONLY TO SUPPLY 100% OF THE WATER USAGE NEEDS FOR THIS BUILDING, BUT THEN ALSO LOOKING AT IT AS AN OPTION TO ALSO COLLECT ADDITIONAL WATER FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, WHICH I THINK BASED UPON WHAT WE HEARD FROM BWR, IS EXTREMELY WISE TO CONSIDER.

SO OVERALL BUDGET RIGHT NOW WE'RE SOMEWHERE NORTH OF FOUR, BUT CERTAINLY UNDER 5 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING RIGHT NOW.

SO IF WE WANTED TO SAY RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE GET THAT CMAA ESTIMATE INVOLVED, IF WE WANTED TO SAVE 4.5 MILLION, THAT'S PRETTY SOLID WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME OFF RAMPS IF WE NEED TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FROM THAT.

SO I ALONG WITH YOU, ARE WILLING TO GET THAT AND ANXIOUS TO GET THAT CMAA INVOLVED SO THEY CAN VALIDATE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S STILL KIND OF A MOVING TARGET OUT THERE IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY WORLD.

SO OVERALL, I THINK WE SHOULD BE READY TO GO TO BID, INCLUDING THE CMA PROCESS.

[02:20:06]

I THINK WE'LL BE READY TO GO OUT TO BID, WHICH COULD BE IF WE GO THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROCESS THOROUGHLY WITH THAT SAME CMAA, WE COULD BE APPROACHING GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE YOU SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 6 MONTHS AND THEN READY TO TURN AROUND SHORTLY AFTER THAT.

THAT'S KIND OF THE REPORT IN A NUTSHELL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS WHATSOEVER.

A THOUGHT THAT JUST CAME TO MIND AND I'M SURE Y'ALL ADDRESSED THIS IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, BUT A SECURE ENTRANCES? YES, SIR. IN LIGHT OF WHAT GONE ON IN THE WORLD HERE RECENTLY.

YOU KNOW, I WANT OUR PEOPLE TO BE ABSOLUTELY AS BEST WE CAN.

SURE. THAT WHEN THEY COME TO WORK IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO GO HOME IN THE AFTERNOON.

YES, SIR. AND THAT PERSON THAT SHOWS UP AT THE FRONT DOOR.

IS HE OR SHE IS VISIBLE.

AND CAN BE ALLOWED IN OR TOLD NO.

YES, SIR. THERE'S A NUMBER OF TOOLS IN OUR TOOL KIT THAT WE CAN EMPLOY TOWARDS CREATING A SECURE ENVIRONMENT HERE AT THAT FRONT LOBBY TO ALSO PROTECT THAT PERSON SITTING BEHIND THE GLASS, TO REALLY FORTIFYING ALL THESE THREE DOORS HERE THAT COULD ALLOW SOMEBODY INTO THE BACK OF HOUSE AREA AS WELL AS OUR EXTERIOR DOORS AS WELL. THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMPONENTS THAT WE NOT HAPPY TO GO THROUGH.

WE ABSOLUTELY WILL GO THROUGH WITH STAFF.

THERE'S DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT A PRICE ON SAFETY.

YES, SIR. AND THEN EVEN BEYOND ON THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING, GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE AREAS IN THE BACK OF HOUSE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT GATES AND BOLLARD SYSTEMS AND BARRIERS THAT WE CAN EMPLOY AS WELL.

WELL, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT AT WORK, WE EVERYONE IS GIVEN A BADGE.

YES, SIR. ELECTRONIC BADGE.

AND TO WALK IN THE DOOR, YOU JUST SWIPE IT AND YOU WALK IN.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO FUMBLE THROUGH, WHICH KEY DO I USE TO GET IN A LOCK? YOU KNOW, I AGREE.

YOU'RE ALLOWED IN. YES.

PRETTY EASY. YES, SIR.

IT TOOK ME A WHILE OF GETTING USED TO IT.

I WOULD RATHER OLD SCHOOL.

I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH A KNOB AND COME IN.

BUT YEAH.

SO THE OTHER THING, BRANT, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING FOR SECURITY AND THOSE KIND OF.

ABSOLUTELY. SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

IT'S SCHEMATIC DESIGN. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CHECK THE BIG BOXES HERE, ADJACENCIES OF DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE BUILDING, SIDING OF THE BUILDING, LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, LONG TERM EXPANDABILITY WHERE IT FITS WITHIN THE PROCESS.

SO WE'VE CHECKED ALL THOSE BOXES NOW.

NOW IS WHEN WE GET EVEN MORE GRANULAR INTO SOME OF THE THINGS MR. WHITTAKER IS TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS EXTERIOR SITE LIGHTING, INTERIOR LIGHTING, FOOT CANDLES, PRESENTATION OF THE BUILDING, KIND OF THE FUN PART OF ARCHITECTURE IS WHAT'S THIS BUILDING GOING TO LOOK LIKE? DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME RUN OF THE MILL PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING? OR DO WE WANT TO CELEBRATE SOME OF THE UNIQUE CHARACTERS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON WITHOUT GOING OVERBOARD AND BEING RESPECTFUL OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS? THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS WE HAVE IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

SO SITE LIGHTING, SECURE APPROACHES INSIDE THE BUILDING AGAIN, WHERE IF THERE IS A WATER RECLAMATION COMPONENT, WHERE DOES THAT SIT AT AND HOW IS IT AVAILABLE? IS IT AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS, IS AVAILABLE TO STAFF, HOW TO COLLECT THAT.

WE'VE GETTING INTO THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, THE GLOBAL SOURCE OR SOURCE GLOBAL COMPONENT.

IT'S A SOLAR GENERATED SYSTEM.

SO THEY HAVE TO GIVE WAY TO THE SOLAR ORIENTATION OF THAT ROOF.

THAT'S IT'S GOING TO DICTATE THE WAY THE ROOF IS PITCHED.

WHETHER THE ROOF PITCH HAS AN EFFECT UPON THE WAY THE BUILDING LOOKS AND THE OVERHANGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO RIGHT NOW.

ALL GOOD QUESTIONS.

THAT PRESENTATION BEFORE SHOWED $500 A SQUARE FOOT ABOUT RIGHT TO YOU.

NO, SIR, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.

AND THE WE'VE WE'VE WORKED ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITIES.

WE'RE ENGAGED WITH AN ENTITY RIGHT NOW AND PROPOSING ONE AS WELL.

AND THE ONLY EXPLANATION I CAN SUM IT UP TO AND I MAY BE APOLITICAL BY SAYING THIS, IT'S ALWAYS BAFFLED ME AT HOW IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP A FACILITY FOR DOGS AND CATS THAN IT IS HUMANS SOMETIMES.

AND THE ONE THING THAT DOES STICK OUT IS THE AMOUNT OF HVAC AND HVAC STUFF IS VERY EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW AND IT'S THE AMOUNT OF PLUMBING AS WELL.

AND SO OUR PRECIOUS FOUR LEGGED FRIENDS, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE A UNIQUE SET OF CHARACTERS AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T ACT AS PROPERLY AS HUMANS DO.

AND YOU COULD SAY THE SAME THING AS SOMETIMES OUR HUMANS DON'T ACT AS WELL AS OUR FURRY FRIENDS.

BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED FOR AN ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY IS MORE EXPENSIVE AND THE HVAC COMPONENTS AND THE FRESH AIR INTAKE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.

SO NOW WE'RE SOMEWHERE WELL NORTH OF 400 EXCUSE ME, WELL, SOUTH OF $400 A SQUARE FOOT, ALL IN.

SO WE THINK WE'RE CLOSER TO INCLUDING SITE DETENTION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

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WE'RE CLOSER TO 350, A SQUARE FOOT SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND AGAIN, PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING.

NOTHING TERRIBLY ELABORATE.

WE DO HAVE SOME FLEX SPACE IN HERE FOR FUTURE BUILD OUT AS WELL.

SO. BUT WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE APPROACHING $500 A SQUARE FOOT.

WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN OF THIS BUILDING GOING TO BE AS A METAL BUILDING? EASILY 30 YEARS.

I MEAN, EASILY 30 YEARS.

IT'S JOHN. I'D SAY IT'S COMPARABLE.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU TAKE CARE OF? RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU START LETTING IT GO, IT'S GOING TO GO.

SO THE NEXT THING YOU ALL ARE GOING TO SEE IS THE DEMO OF THE FRONT HALF OF THE BUILDING.

WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT VISUALLY THAT'LL HAPPEN.

I DON'T NEED A BRICK.

OKAY. WHAT'S COMING? COME ON, CECIL. GIVE HIM THE PROGRAM.

I GIVE HIM MY BRICK AWAY.

DANG, I'M BUSTED. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WHEN WE DO THE FINAL DESIGN AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ARCHITECTURALLY AND LAY IT OUT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

ANYTHING ELSE? MHM.

THE BREEZEWAY IS SOMETHING THAT CAN A VEHICLE CAN DRIVE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT OR IS THAT JUST FOR PEDESTRIAN? THAT'S WHAT IT'S INTENDED FOR.

NOW, IF WE WERE TO ZOOM IN, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT ABILITY HERE.

THERE'S SOME DRINKING FOUNTAINS ON THE OUTSIDE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING BOLLARDS TO PROTECT THOSE DOORS, THOSE DOOR OPENINGS AND SERVE AS A WARNING SIGN.

WE DON'T WANTING TO ENCOURAGE A LOT OF VEHICULAR TRAFFIC HERE, BUT WE KNOW IN INCLEMENT WEATHER, IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO GET LOADED UP ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT'S A NICE CONVENIENCE THING TO HAVE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENCOURAGE IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY OPPOSE IT EITHER.

BUT FOUNDATION, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE BUILT.

YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY.

CECIL DO YOU WANT TO BRICK OF THE OLD BUILDING? GIVE ME A BREAK. YOU PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO HIS WATER TOWER.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FOR BRANT? SO, NO, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.

THE ONLY THING IS, IS AND I KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH Y'ALL HAVE IN DRAINAGE.

YOU SAID DETENTION POND.

I MEAN, MY. NOT THAT YOU GUYS HAVEN'T ALREADY THOUGHT THIS, BUT MY IDEA WOULD BE TO KEEP IT AS FAR AWAY.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I LOVE FOR US TO LEAVE ROOM FOR GROWTH, ESPECIALLY I KNOW WE HAD ON THE ONES THERE WAS A, I DON'T KNOW, A LEAN TO OR SOME SORT OF COVERED DOWN SOUTH EXISTING EQUIPMENT SHED.

I'D LIKE TO LEAVE SPACE FOR MORE EQUIPMENT SHEDS TO POSSIBLY PERFORM FORM A PERIMETER.

I WANT TO I'D HATE FOR IT TO BE LIKE A POND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD.

THAT MAKES IT VERY CHALLENGING THAT WE CAN'T USE THAT SPACE LATER ON.

WELL, GRAVITY AND FLOW LINES DICTATE A LOT OF WHERE THAT LOCATION IS GOING TO BE.

AND SO WE'LL ENGAGE WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND THEY'LL HAVE SOME SOME LOGICAL SOLUTIONS.

AND YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

YOU CAN PUSH WATER UPHILL IF YOU NEED TO, BUT THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SURE. I UNDERSTAND. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

I. MAYBE I MISS MISUNDERSTANDING.

I THOUGHT WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO USE THAT SOUTHWEST ENTRANCE OFF OF.

BUSINESS LOOP.

IS THAT. IS THAT INCORRECT? NO, THERE'S ANOTHER INTEREST BELOW THAT, TOO.

THERE'S. THERE'S THREE INCHES.

THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S NOT ON THE PICTURE.

OKAY. RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE IN THE BOTTOM.

IT'S CLOSED OFF. WE CAN'T USE THAT.

IT SAYS EQUIPMENT ENTRANCE.

I DIDN'T THINK WE COULD USE THAT OKAY.

AT ALL. NO, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT AT ALL.

OKAY, WE'LL TAKE THAT OFF.

WE THOUGHT THAT THAT COULD BE A PRIVATE ENTRANCE ONLY, BUT WE'LL REMOVE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. I JUST.

WE MIGHT GO BACK.

TEXAS CAME TO US, SAID WE COULD.

OKAY. MAKES SENSE BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THAT SPLIT RIGHT THERE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY DECELERATION ISSUES.

WE COULD ASK AGAIN.

WELL, IF WE DON'T NEED IT, IF STAFF IS HAPPY WITH BRINGING THE MONEY SAVED RIGHT THERE.

GOOD JOB, BOYS. ALL RIGHT. DETENTION POND RIGHT THERE.

THERE YOU GO. SO, BUCKET, DETENTION, BUCKET.

THAT'S ALL YOU NEED, RIGHT? OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, AS WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE ANIMAL FACILITY, YOU ALL DECIDED WHAT YOU WANT OVER THERE.

YOU GOT TO USE IT.

I WANT YOU ALL TO BE CONTENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

ALL RIGHT. THEY DID.

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I'M DOING GOOD. DOWN LOW.

THERE'S A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE LOCKER ROOM BATHROOM.

ALL RIGHT, MR. BOWLES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD EVENING. I'VE NUMBER 12 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE FUNDING FOR DIRT HAULING, SPREADING AND GRADING FOR BG SOCCER COMPLEX POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRING RANGE

[12. Discussion and possible action to approve funding for dirt hauling, spreading, and grading for BG Soccer Complex, Police Department firing range, Lakeside Park, and Reuben Welch Park.]

LAKESIDE PARK AND REUBEN WELCH PARK.

YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS MORE SO JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM.

STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO BRING CITY COUNCIL AN UPDATE REGARDING THIS PROJECT.

SO AS MANY OF YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE ARE WORKING WITH COSTELLO ENGINEERING AND CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT FOR EXCESS DIRT THAT IS AT THE NORTHERN TRACK OF FREEDOM PARK.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN SOME OF THE EXCESS DIRT AND TAKE IT TO THESE FOUR LOCATIONS, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE RUN INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT ROADBLOCKS, IF YOU WILL, BUT WHAT STAFF HAS COLLECTED IS FROM A COMPLETELY OUTSIDE SOURCE.

IF WE WERE TO GO AND PURCHASE DIRT AND HAVE IT HAULED AND NOT EVEN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST? SO THAT IS WHAT THAT FIRST PROPOSAL IS HERE IN YOUR PACKET.

IN THE AGENDA SUMMARY WE ALSO HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST FOR SPECIFICALLY ONLY HAULING THE DIRT FROM FREEDOM PARK AND TAKING IT TO THOSE FOUR SITES, WHICH IS THAT SECOND PROPOSAL.

AND THEN THE THIRD PROPOSAL IS SPECIFICALLY FOR SPREADING AND GRADING THE DIRT.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT QUITE A BIT IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE, I BELIEVE I'M NOT SURE WHICH PAGE NUMBER IT IS IN YOUR PACKET, BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE GRAPH HERE TO HELP OUTLINE SPECIFICALLY IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE DIRT PROVIDED BY CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT OR RATHER FREEDOM PARK NORTHERN TRACK UTILIZING THE EXCESS DIRT, THE DIRT HAULING WOULD COME DOWN IN PRICE SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE PURCHASING THE DIRT.

BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE SPREADING AND GRADING AT EACH OF THESE SITES.

ONE THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO BG PECK SOCCER COMPLEX, AS YOU SEE THE NOTE IN HERE THAT THERE'S $1,500 FOR MOBILIZATION PER FIELD.

SO THIS THESE ARE ALL VERY ROUGH NUMBERS.

BUT FOR THAT PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, WHILE YOU COULD GET THE DIRT HAULED OUT TO THAT SITE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A AN ADDITIONAL MOBILIZATION FEE OF $1,500 PER FIELD.

SO THIS WOULD BE A GRADUAL PROJECT AT THE SOCCER COMPLEX SO THAT THE ORGANIZATION WOULD ONLY BE OUT ONE FIELD AT A TIME AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS PROJECT.

SO THIS IS A BIG PROJECT TO TAKE ON A LOT OF STEPS.

THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE YET TO DO IF WE DECIDE TO PROCEED OR IF THERE'S FUNDING THAT IS ALLOCATED FOR THIS PROJECT.

FOR INSTANCE, STEWART AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO ADD TO THESE SITES THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE IS FLOWING, HOW IT WAS DESIGNED TO DRAIN SPECIFICALLY AT BG PECK SOCCER COMPLEX, WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HDR ON THOSE DESIGNS, SO WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA COMPONENTS THAT ARE NOT FINANCIALLY LISTED HERE.

AGAIN, BG SOCCER COMPLEX, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE IRRIGATION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RAISED.

ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL IRRIGATION FRENCH DRAINS THAT MAY NEED TO BE INSTALLED TO HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE OFF OF THOSE FIELDS.

EVEN WHEN YOU PROVIDE THAT CAP ON SOME OF THESE FIELDS, YOU'RE YOU STILL HAVE PEDESTRIANS IN BETWEEN THE FIELDS WATCHING THE SOCCER GAME.

SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER.

THIS IS VERY SURFACE LEVEL, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS JUST AS A DISCUSSION POINT OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND AS STAFF.

I BELIEVE, JOHN, YOU MIGHT KNOW OR RECALL, BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE WITH EXCAVATING IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS AND ARE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO PUT THIS DIRT, AS YOU CAN TELL, WITH THE PRICINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE, EVEN IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH THE THE HAULING OR ACCEPTING OF THE DIRT, THIS REQUIRES US TO GO OUT FOR PUBLICATION AND BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO THIS IS A TIGHT DEADLINE THAT WE REALLY CAN'T CONTROL.

WE WOULD LOVE TO BE PARTNERS WITH CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE'RE NOT PURCHASING DIRT TO TAKE TO OTHER CITY PROPERTIES SINCE THIS IS ON EXISTING CITY PROPERTY. BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

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SO. YEAH.

I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF.

NOT SPENDING MORE TO GO OUTSIDE SOURCE AND GET SOME WHEN IT'S IN OUR TOWN.

LET ME GO BACK TO THE WORD WE USED EARLIER.

WE MAY HAVE TO USE A PHASED APPROACH.

SPEND THE MONEY TO GET IT NOW AT A MUCH REDUCED RATE.

AND THEN. YES.

BUDGET IN.

THE GRADING. FEEL LIKE BG PARK SPORTS COMPLEX PROBABLY, YOU KNOW.

UH. LET'S JUST PUT IT THIS WAY.

ANGLETON. YOU SUCK. WHATEVER.

ANGLETON ESSER.

OR WHATEVER IT IS. OR ANGLETON YOUTH SOCCER ASSOCIATION.

I MEAN, IT'S AN OUTSIDE.

I'M SURE THAT WE CAN FIND SOME SORT OF PARTNERSHIP THERE TO HELP GREAT FIELDS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

SO ANYWAY.

UM, I'M DEFINITELY ON THE SIDE OF UTILIZING THE DIRT THAT'S ALREADY ON THE.

OUT THERE AT. WHAT DO THEY CALL THAT AREA? I'M TRYING TO FIND IT.

FREEDOM PARK. THE NORTHERN TRACK? YES. THE NORTHERN TRACK OF FREEDOM PARK.

IT'S IN TOWN. THIS IS A TIME THING.

I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION AND THE DEAL FALLS OFF THE TABLE.

AGAIN, WE PROVIDED OPTIONS FOR ALL THE NEEDS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THE NEEDS.

WHATEVER. BEST SUITS.

IS. THE COST OF HAULING FROM FREEDOM PARK TO THE DIFFERENT PARKS THAT JUST THE HAULING PRICE IS THAT.

100% OF THE COST PER LOAD.

OR IS THAT. I'M ASKING IF CONCORD IS COVERING A PERCENTAGE OF THAT.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'D HAVE TO HAUL IT TO THE SITE OR TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, CORRECT? RIGHT. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, CONCOURSE IS NOT COMING TO THE TABLE WITH ADDITIONAL.

OKAY. REDUCTION OF COST.

THESE ARE PROPOSALS THAT STAFF WENT OUT AND SOLICITED FROM OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS.

SO THEY'RE PLAYING WITH THE EXCESS DIRT IS TO TAKE IT TO THEIR SITE.

BUT THEY SAW THE PAY TO TAKE IT TO THEIR SITE.

THEY'VE ALREADY THEY'VE ALREADY THEY'VE GOT THAT SUNK COST.

THEY'VE ALREADY CONTRACTED TO DO THAT.

SO, I MEAN, I WOULD. SO IT'S ALREADY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, RIGHT? THERE ARE COSTS OF TRANSPORT.

RIGHT. AND AND THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IS SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE UP SOME NUMBERS, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S A MILE TO HAUL IT FROM FREEDOM PARK TO THEIR SITE.

THEY MAY BE THREE MILES TO HAUL IT TO PARK.

RIGHT. AND SO HOW MANY MILES IS IT TO HAUL? YES. OKAY. SO THEY'VE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE DIRT THAT THEY NEED.

RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO EXCAVATE TO MAKE THE DETENTION RETENTION PAYMENTS.

RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE TO PUT THAT DIRT SOMEWHERE, RIGHT.

IF THEY DON'T HAUL IT TO A PARK, THEY HAUL IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAUL IT TO THEIR SITE.

YES. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BUILD THEIR HOUSES UP AT THEIR SITE, RIGHT? WHY WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO BE TO PUT IT AT THEIR SITE? WHY WOULD WE NOT STOP THAT? FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE.

WE CAN'T JUST RAISE THEIR AREA AND DRAIN AND FLOOD OTHER PEOPLE.

THE THE AREA IS ALREADY ELEVATED ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH THE FLOOD.

SO IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT IF THEY THEY'RE JUST GOING TO USE IT TO SLOPE IT FURTHER BACK THIS WAY.

BACK IT TO THE ROAD.

THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SLOPE AND PUT A BIGGER ONE.

523. OR BACK TO THEIR BACK.

TO THEIR BACK.

TO THEIR STREETS. EVERYTHING DRAINS TO THEIR STREETS AND THEN GETS COLLECTED INTO THEIR DETENTION PONDS AND THEN METERED OUT AND RELEASED.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW.

ORIGINALLY THERE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY DIRT.

I MEAN, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO MATTER OF FACT, THE POND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EVEN BIGGER.

AND THEY WERE UPSET WHEN WE WHEN WE WHEN WE BROUGHT THE POND DOWN TO A DIFFERENT SIZE.

SO THIS IS JUST RECENTLY CAME UP AND MEGAN'S BEEN SPRINTING TRYING TO GET THIS BECAUSE IT IS A TIME SITUATION WHICH CHRIS HAS MENTIONED AS FAR AS AS THE.

AS FAR AS THE THE DIRT BEING HAULED OVER TO HIS SIDE, THE THE IMPACTS ARE NOMINAL BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT UP.

HE'S ALREADY ABOVE THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY HIGHER THAN WHAT THE WATER SURFACE THEORETICALLY AND EXTREME EVENTS ARE.

GET TO THE EXTREME.

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HE COULD BUILD IT UP TEN MORE FEET.

IT WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON ANYBODY.

HE'S ALREADY PARTY UP AT THIS HEIGHT.

IF HE BUILDS IT UP EVEN HIGHER, IT HAS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ANYBODY.

NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT WOULDN'T HAVE AN IMPACT.

HE'S ALREADY IN HIS DESIGN, IN THEIR DESIGN.

THEY DESIGNED TO ADD HEIGHT TO THE SITE.

CORRECT. TO GET THAT SITE UP OUT OF THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

ONCE IT'S OUT OF THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, IT'S OUT OF THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

THEY'RE CAPTURING ALL THE WATER THAT FALLS ON THEIR SITE INTO THEIR DETENTION POND, INTO THIS DETENTION POND.

WAS IT SLOPED LIKE A BOWL TOWARD THE STREETS? IT'S CAPTURED IN A STORM SEWER, FUNNELED INTO THE DETENTION AREA.

AND ALL THIS SYSTEM TOGETHER HYDRAULICALLY OPERATES TOGETHER.

AND ONCE YOU GET TO ONCE YOU GET TO LAND UP ABOVE A CERTAIN ELEVATION HAS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON AS FAR AS DRAINAGE GOES.

BUT HE'S ALREADY GOT HOUSES ON THE GROUND, SO WOULDN'T HE BE? IN THEORY, THIS IS IN THE NEXT PHASE, RIGHT? SO WOULDN'T HE BE? THEY'RE THEY'RE ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN.

HE WON'T LET HIMSELF SEE. WE DON'T LIVE IN HILLY COUNTRY, SO WE WOULDN'T EXACTLY.

WOULDN'T THEY FLOOD HIMSELF? NO, NO, NO. IT GOES TO THE THE WAY THAT THE THE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF MY WHEN I GET TO MY ITEM.

THE WAY THAT THE DRAINAGE WORKS IS IT WORKS WITH THE STREET ON THE CURB AND GUTTER.

THE PROPERTIES PUSHED THE WATER INTO THE STREETS AND THEN IN THE STREETS THE STREET BECOMES THE CHANNEL, THE CONVEYANCE CHANNEL INTO THE INLETS.

SO NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES, YOU STILL HAVE THAT CAPACITY THERE THAT DOESN'T GO AWAY.

YEAH. SO YOU'RE NOT PUSHING WATER ONTO YOUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T LEGALLY SHED WATER ONTO YOUR NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S WHY THEY WEDGE IT BACK TO THE FRONT, TO THE DEVELOPMENT, BACK TO THE STREET.

BUT IF HE HAD HAD I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAD TO HAVE THAT MUCH DIRT TO GET HIMSELF OUT OF THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

WASN'T THE WATER GOING ONTO HIS PROPERTY PRIOR FROM THE OTHER AREAS SURROUNDING HIM AND NOW IS GOING TO BE PUSHING EVEN THOUGH HE GOES UP THE WATER THAT USED TO DRAIN HERE IS NOW STUCK HERE.

RIGHT. BUT THEY ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

THE DESIGN IS PICKING UP AND MOVING IT AROUND.

THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN THAT WAS THERE.

SO THERE AS CECIL SAID, LIKE IF THIS IS THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, RIGHT? TYPICALLY YOU WANT TO BRING YOUR PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING ABOVE OR AT THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND YOU'VE GOT TO HANDLE EVERYTHING THAT YOU STOP FROM SHEET FLOW BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BLOCK AN EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERN.

IT'S AGAINST THE LAW. SO THEY HAVE CAPTURED THAT IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

SO IF YOU'RE ALREADY HERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU GO UP MORE BECAUSE THE WATER LEVEL STAYS THERE.

I GET THAT. AND EVERYTHING'S BEING PUSHED BACK TOWARDS THE STREET.

THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS WAS.

IT'S JUST AT A STEEPER SLOPE.

YEAH, THE ONLY THING IS LIKE COUNCILWOMAN OR MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND SAID WAS THAT THE, THE EAST OR THE WEST SIDE OF THAT SUBDIVISION IS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH BEING BUILT OUT.

SO NOW HE'S GOING TO STACK DIRT UP HIGHER ON THE EASTERN SIDE.

SO HE HAS TO HE HAS TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? HE'S RUNNING OUT OF ROOM. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE IS JUST VISUALLY WOULD BE DIFFERENT HYDRAULICALLY.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME.

THE POINT IS, WHY CAN'T THE MILE DIFFERENCE BE ACCOUNTED FOR AND MOVE THE DIRT? TO THE SOCCER FIELD.

BUT IT'S MORE THAN A MILE.

I KNOW. WE PAY FOR THE TUBE.

LET'S SAY IT'S THREE MILES TOTAL FOR THE DIFFERENCE.

WE PAY THE DIFFERENCE.

WELL, YOU CAN SAVE MONEY.

I GUESS HE'S SPREADING IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU DUMP IT AT HIS PLACE, HE'S STILL GOING TO HAVE TO LEVEL OUT HIS.

HE JUST SAID IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE FOR HIM, TOO.

IT WOULD BE AN INCREASED COST.

THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

THEY'VE THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY RUN THE NUMBERS AND IT'S NOT IN THEIR BENEFIT TO.

AND JOHN, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND TRYING TO PURSUE IS HE HAD SOME COST TO GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B, RIGHT? SO WHETHER YOU'RE PAYING IT HERE, YOU SWING IT BACK THIS WAY TO TAKE OFF THE COST.

THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING. BUT THEY'VE VISITED WITH HIM AND APPARENTLY HE HASN'T.

HE HAS NOT OFFERED TO TO ASSIST THE CITY IN THAT COST.

BUT BUT THOSE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD SO.

THE CHANGE SUBJECT REAL QUICK, BUT NOT.

WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS.

IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, AD NAUSEUM, A LITTLE BIT.

[02:45:02]

BUT IF WE GET IN THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.

SO MAYBE FOR OTIS, WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, WE MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER SOME SOME LEGAL EASE, SOME LANGUAGE IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS THAT COVERS THIS SORT OF CONCEPT. OF IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME SORT OF EXCHANGE THEN.

I KNOW IT'S HARD TO CONTEMPLATE ALL THINGS IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT THERE'S USUALLY SOME BULLET POINT LANGUAGE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD.

YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT THAT WOULD COVER US IN THIS SCENARIO BECAUSE.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT WOULD COVER US? THAT IF YEAH, IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF OPTION THAT IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE WILL BE SET, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF RATIO OR GOING ELSEWHERE.

YEAH. GO ELSEWHERE AND AT, AT A COST THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MILEAGE OR CONSISTENT WITH WHATEVER THE GOING RATE IS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE.

YOU KNOW. THEY WANT TO CHARGE US FOR FOUR MILES.

BUT REALITY IS THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO TAKE IT A MILE.

SO THERE SHOULD BE PROBABLY A THREE MILE, NOT FOUR.

I KNOW IT'S JUST BUT THAT CUMULATIVE ADDS UP OVER TIME.

I DON'T KNOW. JUST THINKING, TRYING TO THINK AHEAD.

BECAUSE THE REALITY IS, IN MY OPINION, IS WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS COMING IN.

NOT THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

MAYBE. MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS IF THERE'S THE CONTRACTOR DEVELOPS EXCESSES NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, THAT THEY MUST CONSULT THE CITY TO SEE IF THERE'S A VALUE. YEAH.

SOME SORT OF FIRST REFUSAL, SOME SORT OF COST OR SOME SORT OF.

BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE ARE DOING THEM A FAVOR AND THEY ARE GETTING SOME ECONOMIC BENEFIT.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE LOSING MONEY ON THIS.

I PROMISE THEY WOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

SO. UM.

BUT TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.

I'M DEFINITELY DOWN WITH THE HOLE IN THE DIRT TO BG BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S JUST TOO VALUABLE FOR LONG TERM AS WELL AS THE FIRING RANGE, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT.

I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOT ONLINE PRESENTLY, WE'RE NOT UTILIZING IT.

SO IF THOSE TWO ITEMS WOULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER LAKESIDE AND REUBEN WATCH PARK, ESPECIALLY REUBEN WATCH PARK, I THINK THAT REALLY CAN WAIT.

I DON'T SEE LAKESIDE.

I MEAN. OBVIOUSLY MEGAN'S DONE A LOT OF LABOR AND PLANNING AND EVERYBODY ELSE WANT A SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, BUT. I MEAN, IF YOU REALLY THINK IT'S NECESSARY, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE CAN.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THESE FOUR PROPERTIES IS BECAUSE WE WERE ORIGINALLY TOLD WE HAD, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 44,000YD³ THAT THEY NEEDED TO OFFLOAD. THAT HAS SINCE REDUCED.

AND SO, QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE THIS MANY BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO TAKE ALL THE DIRT.

SO OUR PRIORITY ALSO ARE THE TOP TWO.

YEAH, I THINK WE GET THE TOP TWO.

A THAT BRINGS DOWN THE NUMBER A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THE CITY WILL OWE AND EVEN EVENTUALLY OUR SPREADING AND GRADING WOULD.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF THE BOTTOM TWO ITEMS DON'T EXIST, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SPREADING OR GRADING IT.

SO SO WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR DIRT HAULING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 90,000.

THIS IS AN UNBUDGETED ITEM AND WE HAVE VERY LIMITED TIME TO GO OUT FOR PUBLICATION FOR THIS SERVICE.

SO STAFF IS JUST LOOKING FOR MORE DIRECTION ON HOW YOU'D LIKE US TO PROCEED AND ALSO HOW WE WOULD INTEND TO FUND THAT.

HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE IN RESERVES FOR ABLC? THINK I GOT 90,000.

WELL, HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT.

AND NOW THAT YOU SIT DOWN.

BUT THIS IS DIRT THAT MUST BE EXCAVATED FROM THE LAKE.

OKAY. SO WE COULD HIT FUND BALANCE TO.

I MEAN, THIS IS A STRATEGIC PROJECT THAT.

YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A MEETING.

YEAH, BUT IF YOU HAVE MONEY AND THIS IS GOING FOR A PARK.

I THINK WE'RE USING THE OK FUND BALANCE WOULD BE DRAINAGE.

BETTER DRAINAGE ALSO WOULD BE BETTER THAN USING FUND BALANCE FROM GENERAL FUND.

THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS PARK LAND DEDICATION.

YEAH. SO OUR FUND BALANCE AT PARKLAND DEDICATION IS RIGHT AROUND 60,000.

AND WE JUST RECENTLY AT PARKS BOARD WILL BE BRINGING TWO OTHER PROPOSALS TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING EXPENDITURE OF SOME OF THOSE FUNDS.

SO THAT WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED IF YOU ALL APPROVE THOSE.

WELL, WHAT I WAS GOING TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS.

YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY WE GET THE 1.9 GUZMAN WE CAN PAY NOW.

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PROMISE TO PAY IT BACK AS A HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY OURSELVES BACK BY TAKING IT OUT OF FUND BALANCE.

SO IF WE SAY THE NUMBER IS $300,000, WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PROJECT SPEND.

WE GO TO ZERO BALANCE.

WE SAY ANY FUTURE PARKLAND DEDICATION FOR 300,000 GOES BACK INTO FUND BALANCE OURSELVES BACK.

I'LL SAY IS THIS ON THE ESPECIALLY THE BG SOCCER COMPLEX.

UM, THAT'S SPREADING AND GRADING.

I WOULD THINK YOU COULD PUT IT INTO NEXT.

FISCAL YEAR.

BECAUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD GET ANYTHING OUT THERE AND ON THE FIELDS AND HAVE THOSE FIELDS PLAYABLE BY SEPTEMBER.

NO STAFF. I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD.

YOU COULD WAIT TILL DECEMBER OR NOVEMBER, I THINK IS ROUGHLY THE END OF THE SEASON IN NOVEMBER.

RIGHT. AND WE WOULD DO THESE ONE AT A TIME.

THE 90,000 IS SPECIFICALLY FOR HAULING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE TAKE IT BY A STEPPED APPROACH, AGAIN, PHASED, I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT DOING THE RANGE.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON ANOTHER OPTION.

PLUS WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE RANGE THAT WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A LITTLE LESS CONVENIENT, BUT IN THE SCHEME OF MONEY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WELL, SO THAT'S.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SO YOU THINK.

RAIN SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND RIGHT NOW.

THE RAIN. SO THE BG AND LAKESIDE PARK, I WOULD SAY JUST BG, PG BY ITSELF.

OKAY. WE'RE AT LAKESIDE PARK.

IS IT SOLD TO BE PLACED? SO WE HAVE SOME BERMING ALONG COUNTY ROAD 44 FOR ONLY A SECTION OF THE PARK.

SO WE HAD THE DIRT DESIGNED TO FINISH OFF THE REST OF THE SECTION JUST TO ADD A FINISH OFF THE BERM FROM BASICALLY THE CORNER.

IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER OF ENCHANTED OAKS DRIVE, BUT IDEALLY CORNER OF ENCHANTED OAKS DRIVE TO THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT ENTRANCE.

ONE THING TO NOTE, TOO, IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL THOUSAND CUBIC YARDS ON SITE AT EACH OF THESE LOCATIONS BEING PILED UP OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. SO ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS GOING TO ONE LOCATION AND HAULING AS NEEDED.

BUT AGAIN, I MEAN, YOU MAY BE COMPOUNDING COSTS THERE.

SO WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION.

I WOULD. YOU CAN'T TEAR UP.

MY IDEA WOULD BE TO.

AND ANYWAY, MY IDEA WOULD BE TO.

UTILIZE BGP PART.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

THERE'S THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT'S BASICALLY UNDER UTILIZED.

THERE'S DEAD PECANS THERE THAT PROBABLY NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN AT SOME POINT.

I'M SURE PARKS AT SOME POINT CAN REPLANT SOME NICER NEWER TREES THROUGH YOUR REFORESTATION PROJECT YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WHICH I THINK IS FANTASTIC. BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE THAT FOR A STAGING LOCATION PRESENTLY.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF IT WOULD BE DISSEMINATED RIGHT THERE IN BG PECK PARK.

SO I GUESS IF WE NEEDED TO BE RELOCATED ANYWHERE ELSE, AT SOME POINT YOU COULD TAKE IT TO LAKESIDE OR.

ONE OF THOSE OTHER OPTIONS.

THAT'S JUST MY IDEA. IT WITHOUT DOING ANY MAKING ANY FURTHER ANALYSIS.

JUST A QUICK LOOK AT THE BALANCE SHEET.

WE GOT ABOUT $200,000 IN RESERVES IN ABLC.

THAT'S JUST REAL QUICK.

IT WILL PROBABLY CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE GOT.

WHAT ACCRUALS I HAVEN'T POSTED YET.

ALL RIGHT. PHIL SAID IT. WE GOT 200 GRAND, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO TEAR UP THE ROAD TO GOING IN THE PARK.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST ASPHALT, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER PROBLEM TO FIX.

IN THE ROAD COMING OUT IS ALSO ASPHALT.

WE JUST FIXED THAT ROAD.

OKAY. YEAH.

YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR HAULING.

NO. HUNDREDS OF LOADS OF DIRT? NO. I COULD TALK TO THE COUNTY AND PUT IT RIGHT THERE IN FRONT.

FROM THE FAR FIELD. THE COUNTY OWNS THAT PORTION.

MIGHT BE AN AVENUE TO LOOK AT.

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IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH EXPLORING.

WHY WOULDN'T WE ASK THE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

BUT YEAH. WAS THAT LITTLE.

IS THERE A PARK AND RIDE THERE OR SOMETHING? OR THERE? THERE'S A PARK AND RIDE BETWEEN THE ON RAMP AND THE HIGHWAY ITSELF.

BUT FOR. AND ATHOL HOWARD.

I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF HAULING THE DIRT TO BG PECK FOR 48,000 PULLING FROM A PLC FUND.

BUT JUST WITH THE REALIZATION, THE RAMIFICATIONS IT'S GOING TO HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, LIKE CHRIS SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PRETTY QUICK.

WE CAN'T LET IT JUST SIT THERE.

AND THE ROAD MAINTENANCE.

UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T HOLD IT STRAIGHT TO BG PECK IN PLACE, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOUBLE HANDLING THAT DIRT AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU AGAIN TO PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT WHERE YOU WANT IT. THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE ROAD CONCERN AND I KNOW THEY JUST PAVED IT WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, 18 MONTHS, MAYBE EVEN.

AND I'M NOT SO SURE YOU ARE BETTER OFF TAKING IT BACK.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE, EVEN IF YOU LEAVE IT UPFRONT, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAUL IT TO THE BACK AT SOME POINT.

WE CAN DO THAT IN BUCKET TRUCKS OR AT A TIME THAT'LL TAKE A LONG TIME DOING.

JUST PAY ATTENTION TO THE ROAD AND IF YOU SEE IT'S STARTING TO DETERIORATE, THEN STOP.

AND THERE'S NO EASY ONE.

THERE MAY NOT BE AN EASY ANSWER.

I DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT.

YEAH, MAYBE A POINT OF.

I THINK TWO LOCATIONS IN THE SAME AREA.

AND YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT IF IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ABLC SUPPORTS, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE BEING GIVEN, WE ARE PLANNING ON HAVING WE'RE WORKING ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TUESDAY SINCE IT'S A CITY HOLIDAY ON MONDAY, WE ARE WORKING ON AN AGENDA FOR ABLC SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS UP AND GOING.

SO TYPICALLY OUR ABLC MEETING WOULD FOLLOW FALL ON MONDAY, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A CITY HOLIDAY, WE'RE PUSHING IT TO TUESDAY.

DO YOU HAVE AN ADVERTISEMENT READY TO PUBLISH IN THE PAPER? WELL, IF WE PURSUE BG PARK SOCCER COMPLEX THAT IS UNDER THE $50,000 THRESHOLD.

SO WE WOULD GO OUT FOR QUOTES FROM OTHER ENTITIES.

UNLESS DIRECTED OTHERWISE.

DO YOU NEED ACTION FROM US TONIGHT OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON TUESDAY? WE NEED DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL THAT YOU WANT TO DO THIS.

BECAUSE WE GOT TO GET MOVING.

WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE THE DIRT AND THEY DON'T.

OH. I WANT YOU TO DO THIS ONE PERSON.

MAKE A MOTION. OH, THIS ISN'T A MOTION.

I THOUGHT WE WERE OKAY.

I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT THIS WAS.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COLLECTION OF THE DIRT FROM THE FREEDOM PARK NORTH TRACK.

FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEACH PARK SOCCER COMPLEX.

AND PULL IT FROM FUND BALANCE, FROM A BANK BALANCE AND PULL IT FROM FUND BALANCE.

AB. AB. OK.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR APPROVAL OF THE SPREADING OR THE HAULING OF THE DIRT FROM FREEDOM PARK NORTH TRACK TO BG.

BG SOCCER COMPLEX.

PULLING FROM THE ABLC FUND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IS HOW MUCH IS GOING OVER THERE FOR $48,360.

SO IT'S RIGHT AROUND 14,500YD³.

OKAY. THAT'S.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH FILLING IN THE FLOODPLAIN? ONE POINT. I DON'T KNOW.

THE FLOODPLAINS THERE. OKAY.

I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT.

AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF AND HDR WOULD STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH.

BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE ON SUCH A TIGHT DEADLINE TO MOVE THIS DIRT FROM THIS SITE LOCATION, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO MODIFY WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU YOU REQUEST.

WE THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO START THE DUMPING AND GRADING ON SITE UNTIL WE HAVE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

MAKES SENSE. OKAY.

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IN FURTHER DISCUSSION.

CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. I'M NUMBER 13.

UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE SANITARY SEWER PROJECT.

[13. Update and discussion on the Sanitary Sewer Project.]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A QUICK UPDATE ON ANY OF THE SANITARY SEWER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THE LAST UPDATE WE GAVE YOU GUYS.

SO LIFT STATION REHABILITATIONS, WE'VE STILL HAD THOSE MOVING ALONG.

LIFT STATION NUMBER SEVEN AND NUMBER ONE ARE ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR REHABS.

THEY START OUT AS A WET, DRY PIT DESIGN.

THE DRY PIT WAS ELIMINATED, WHICH AGAIN WAS A SAFETY ISSUE.

IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THESE.

WE ALSO INSTALLED NEW SUBMERSIBLE PUMPS.

ELECTRICAL AND INSTRUMENTATION WERE ALSO UPGRADED AT BOTH OF THESE SITES.

LIFT STATION NUMBER NINE.

THIS ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING AN EMERGENCY SITUATION FOR US BECAUSE WE HAD PUMP FAILURES THERE.

SO WHILE WE WERE THERE, WE REPLACED THE PUMPS, UPGRADED THE PLUMBING THERE, BUT THE ELECTRICAL WAS IN GOOD CONDITION THERE.

SO WE LEFT THOSE COMPONENTS IN PLACE.

LIFT STATION 47, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A WIND ROSE GREEN JUST KIND OF ADDED THIS ONE IN THERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF THE VFD, BUT IT WAS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING AND CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE VFD THERE, WHICH IS OUT OF WARRANTY AT THIS DATE BASED ON THE DATE OF ACCEPTANCE.

SO IT'S COST THAT THE CITY HAS TO INCUR.

BUT WE'RE ALSO IN THAT WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL A LIGHTNING PROTECTION DEVICE THERE SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

INFLOW AND INFILTRATION.

WE'RE STARTING TO TRY TO GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH REHABBING THESE LIFT STATIONS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KEEPING THE RAINWATER FROM COMING IN.

THERE IS OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE, TOO.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON NOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REHABBING THESE LIFT STATIONS, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST PUMPING RAINWATER FASTER.

SO THAT'S PART OF STARTING TO WORK INTO THESE ANY STUDIES.

AND THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE DOING IS IN THE LIFT STATION 25 AREA, WHICH IS DOWN SHANKS ROAD AND INCLUDES THAT TRAILER PARK THROUGH THERE, IDEN STREET AND PORTIONS OF THE SOUTH.

VELASCO DOWN THERE OFF THE HIGHWAY IS THAT BASIN 25 THAT YOU'VE NOTED IN YOUR.

YES. YES. BASED ON 25.

THAT ENTIRE AREA THERE.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STUDY.

THE DEVICES HAVE BEEN INSTALLED THERE, BASICALLY FLOW DEVICES.

AND THEY DID SOME ACOUSTIC TESTING AND ALSO SOME MANHOLE SURVEYS.

SO BETWEEN ALL THAT DATA THAT'LL GIVE US HELP US PINPOINT SOME REALLY STRONG AREAS OF INFILTRATION.

SO AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD POSSIBLY ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, 75% OF THE INFILTRATION GETTING INTO THERE AT A VERY LOW COST BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GOING TO PINPOINT THE EXTREMELY BAD AREAS INSIDE OF THAT BASIN TO KIND OF GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO GO THROUGH AND REPLACING SOME OF THAT AREA.

AND SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE AS WELL IS TRYING TO DO A FEW MORE IONIZED STUDIES AROUND.

I KNOW WE WENT FOR THE GLOW GRANT, CORRECT FOR LIFT STATION EIGHT AREA.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE AS WELL.

UM, MOVING ON THE BIO REMEDIATION, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME ODOR COMPLAINTS THERE AT THE LIFT STATION WHICH LIFT STATION SEVEN, WHICH HAD JUST BEEN REHABBED IN THAT AREA.

SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR REMEDY FOR THAT IS SOUTH.

CASEY YES.

YES. SO WHAT THAT PRODUCT IS GOING TO DO IS IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO GREATLY REDUCE THE GREASE ODORS AND BIO SOLIDS THAT ARE IN THE IN THOSE BUILDS UP IN THOSE LIFT STATIONS IN THAT AREA.

AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO IMPROVE TREATMENT AT THE WASTEWATER AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT AS IT MAKES ITS WAY DOWN THERE.

SO WHEN WAS THIS COMPLETED? IT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

WE SHOULD HAVE IT INSTALLED AND RUNNING IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS.

OKAY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S ACTUALLY ALSO GOING TO BE AN ITEM ON THE ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE CHEMICAL COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO INCUR THAT EVERY YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE 2324 BUDGET, WHICH IT ALREADY IS INCLUDED.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE DISCUSS THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DATA.

WE JUST MET ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK.

WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH FINISHING UP SOME OF THE PROGRAMING.

WE VISITED A LOT OF THE LIFT STATIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN PLACE AND WE HAD ALL THE PROGRAMING NAILED DOWN THE MAIN COMPONENTS THERE AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT.

THEY'RE STILL PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER.

AS FAR AS HARDWARE, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE PROGRAMING ABOUT NAILED DOWN, SO THEY'RE GOING TO START ROLLING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, FINISHING UP THE HARDWARE AND ACTUALLY COMPLETING ALL OF THE PROGRAMING. AND THEN FROM THERE WE'LL MOVE TO THE INSTALLATION AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT, AND FROM THERE IT'LL GO THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION AND TROUBLESHOOTING.

WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE ON COMPLETION YET.

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BLT THE CONTRACTOR INSTALLING IS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING US A DATE SOMETIME THIS WEEK.

I BELIEVE THEY STATED SO SO WE CAN FINISH THAT PROJECT OUT AND SOME MORE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

WE ACTUALLY CLEANED OUT ONE OF THE BASINS.

YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT UP WITH A LOT OF BASICALLY SAND GRIT, ALL THE RAGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT END UP GETTING FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET BUILD UP IN THESE BASINS.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT MAINTENANCE PROCESS TO CLEAN THESE OUT PERIODICALLY.

SO WE DID ONE TWO MONTHS AGO AND REPLACED THE DIFFUSERS IN THERE.

AND SO NOW THERE'S TWO BASINS THERE.

SO WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF CLEANING OUT OR REPLACING THE DIFFUSERS IN THE SECOND ONE.

WE'RE DOING THAT THIS WEEK, ACTIVELY HAVE THE BAR PROCESS AND NOW WE GOT THAT IN PROCESS.

WE GOT TO GO BACK AND CLEAN OUT THE BASINS.

SORRY. NO PROBLEM.

AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING THERE IS DOING SOME VARIOUS SMALLER REPAIRS, LIKE THERE'S A BRIDGE THERE THAT ALSO SUPPORTS ONE OF THE AERATION LINES THAT ACTUALLY GOES TO THE GRID SYSTEM THAT WE JUST HAD REPLACED SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FEED AIR THERE INTO THAT GRID SYSTEM, WHICH IS GOING TO HELP OUT WITH THAT, TOO. SO THAT'S ANOTHER SMALLER PROJECT WE GOT GOING ON.

AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT GETTING SOME PRICING ON REPLACING JUST THE GATES, THE VALVES THAT ARE IN PLACE AT THESE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE PLANT THAT ARE EITHER REALLY HARD TO OPERATE OR GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE NOT OPERATIONAL.

SO JUST TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE SMALLER DETAILS KNOW SINCE WE'VE DONE THESE BIGGER PROJECTS, THE HEADWORKS, THE GRIT CHAMBER AND ALL OF THAT, NOW WE'RE TRYING TO PHASE INTO SOME OF THESE SMALLER AREAS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AUTOMATING SOME OF THOSE TOO, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE NOT MANUAL VALVES OR IT'S PUSH A BUTTON.

YEAH. SO WE ACTUALLY DID ONE THERE AT THE THAT GOES TO THE EXTRA WELL THEY CONSIDER CLARIFIER THREE WHICH WAS AT FIRST DESIGNED AS MORE OF A WET WEATHER CLARIFIER. YOU KNOW WE GET THE HIGH FLOWS DUE TO THE AGAIN I AND I THAT WAS WHAT THAT BASIN WAS DESIGNED FOR AND THAT VALVE HAS BEEN AUTOMATED.

AND THEN I JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE UPCOMING PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WHICH WE ACTUALLY JUST GOT JUST WORKED WITH HDR YESTERDAY ON MOST OF THESE.

JUST KIND OF LINING THEM OUT.

AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE SANITARY SEWER REPLACEMENTS, THE AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS SOME BAD AREAS, AREAS THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUE WITH, ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, CEDAR STREET, YOU KNOW, FROM DOWNING TO DOWNING TO BACON AREA.

THERE'S A SMALL SECTION THERE BEHIND HEB THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH IT.

WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO GO OVER THERE AND CLEAR LINES.

AND SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS THERE AND WORK ON REPLACING THEM.

SHADY LANE AREA, WHICH IS IN BETWEEN DOWNING AND SHADY LANE, BUT IN BETWEEN WILKENS AND MORNINGSIDE THERE, THERE'S SOME LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THE EASEMENT THERE.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE SOME THAT ARE BECOMING A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE FOR US.

SO WE KNOW THERE'S ISSUES WITH THEM AND WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THERE AND IDENTIFY THE ISSUES.

AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? YOU KNOW, IS IT FULL REPLACEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, SLIP LINING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

GROW VINE AND SOUTHSIDE.

I KNOW THAT'S BECOME AN ISSUE.

AS FOR US AS WELL, THOSE ALL THOSE SEWER LINES AND THE EASEMENTS BACK THERE, I KNOW WE REPLACED SOUTHSIDE DRIVE UP TO A CERTAIN POINT AND SO NOW IT'S JUST KIND OF BASICALLY FINISHING OUT THAT AREA. SO THEN THAT AREA IS A WHOLE WILL BE COMPLETE.

WE'LL MINUS THE ROADWAYS, BUT AS A SANITARY SEWER, IT'LL ALL BE REPLACED IN THAT AREA.

YEAH, THAT THAT'S BEEN NEEDED FOR QUITE A WHILE.

YES, IT HAS. WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THAT? IMPORTANT IS THAT TO US RIGHT NOW? I KNOW WE'RE JUST WORKING WITH HDR.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH IS A I GUESS IN SIMPLE TERMS IS JUST A SIMPLER WAY TO KIND OF ENGINEER THESE PROJECTS.

JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW JOHN HAS SOME LIMITATIONS OF WHAT HE'S ABLE TO DO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT A LITTLE SIMPLER AND AND FASTER FOR US TO GET THESE PROJECTS LINED OUT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, HE'S THEY'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO HELP US AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT COST EFFECTIVE FOR US AS WELL.

AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL ROLL THROUGH AS STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE RFP PROCESS.

AS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR WE TRY TO DO WITH THESE WATER LINES RECENTLY.

SAME CONCEPT, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GET THESE PLANS LINED OUT AND ALL THAT FIRST.

BUT AGAIN, WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, TO SHAVE OFF SOME OF THAT COST AND TAKE THE LEGWORK AND DO THE RFP PROCESS, THEN WE WILL.

SO I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE ON THAT.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT FOR BID AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AT TWO WEEKS FOR ADVERTISEMENT, YOU KNOW, A WEEK AFTER THAT, WE COULD POSSIBLY OPENING BIDS.

AND YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAN GET APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SAID CONTRACTOR AND PROBABLY START CONSTRUCTION WITHIN TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT.

SO I MEAN, SEVERAL MONTHS AT A MINIMUM, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ONE THAT I THINK DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE.

TOP OF THE LIST AFTER TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA AFTER THAT COUPLE OF MONTHS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SEEING THE MANHOLES OVERFLOWING AND PLUS KNOWING THAT THERE'S THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN OUT THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.

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WE KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE.

WE'VE TAKEN THE VACUUM TRUCK OUT THERE AND CLEANED THEM OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES.

SO IT'S DOING WHATEVER WE CAN IN THE MEANTIME TO ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A PERMANENT PLAN, WHICH THIS IS THE PERMANENT PLAN.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS LIST OF THESE PROBLEM AREAS THAT WE'RE HAVING.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, THAT ALL THOSE LINES.

YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVING SOME OF THIS IN MY PAST, SOME OF THIS STUFF CAN BE PRETTY WELL HANDLED WITH STANDARDS.

YOU'RE GOING TO SLIP ON A EIGHT INCH LINE WITH ANOTHER EIGHT INCH LINE OR PIPE BURST OR SOMETHING.

SO THEN YOU GOTTA GO IN THERE AND RECONNECT.

SERVICES AND HOW FAR OUT AWAY FROM THE MAIN LINE DO YOU PUT THE PLASTIC? AND THIS JUST WHAT YOU DO AT EVERY.

EVERY ONE. IT'S JUST LIKE A.

THE GOLD STANDARD.

YES. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

LIKE WE COULD POSSIBLY END UP PACKAGING THEM ALL TOGETHER AND GETTING A PER FOOT COST ON THIS SIZE LINE AND THIS METHOD OF REPLACEMENT AND SO ON AND SO ON FROM EACH CONTRACTOR. AS FAR AS THE RFP PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, GO THAT ROUTE TOO.

BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF FUNDING WE HAVE TO BUNDLE ALL THESE TOGETHER.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND JUST MAKE A LIST OF THEM AND GO DOWN THE LINE.

YOU KNOW, WE'LL ALREADY HAVE THE PLANNING PROCESS, THE ENGINEERING PROCESS DONE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, AS STAFF WILL JUST PICK 1 OR 2 EACH YEAR AND JUST, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THEM. REMIND ME WHICH ONE IS LIFT STATION NINE, PLEASE.

LOCATION? WILKINS I'M NOT SURE.

WHAT. WE DON'T HAVE AN. OH, YEAH.

JUST WEST OF DOWNING.

YES. YES, RIGHT THERE.

OKAY. YEAH. ON THIS STATION 47.

THAT'S IN WINDROSE GREEN.

YES, THAT'S IN A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT.

YES. WHY IS THE CITY INVOLVED IN THAT? THE I BELIEVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THE UTILITY AGREEMENT. THE CITY IS IN CHARGE OF ALL WATER AND SEWER THERE.

WE'RE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE ROADS OR THE DRAINAGE THE COUNTY IS, BUT WE ARE IN CHARGE OF WATER AND SEWER.

SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT.

I WISH YOU WERE WRONG, HECTOR, BUT I THINK WE GOT HOODWINKED IN THAT.

I BELIEVE SO. THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM.

THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE OUT THERE MAKING WATER TAPS.

THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE OUT THERE.

IF YOU'RE MAKING SEWER TAPS, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR YOU TO GO DO THAT.

TAKE OUR MANPOWER AWAY FROM THE CITY RESIDENTS TO GO WORK IN A MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

AGREED. I WAS GOING TO ASK.

OKAY. THAT WAS A FORMER AGREEMENT.

HIGHER. THAT WAS.

I MEAN, WE WE'RE TAKING OUR WHIPPING ON THAT.

OKAY. YES.

TWICE TONIGHT. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.

PLEASE, SIR. OKAY.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BISON 25.

YES. WHEN YOU CROSS OVER SOUTH DOWNING OVER INTO FIG LANE AREA.

YES. YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A BUNCH OF PROBLEMS OVER THERE, TOO.

YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WE'VE WE'VE GOT I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF GOT A LIST IN OUR IN OUR MINDS ESSENTIALLY, OF WHERE WE NEED TO GO OVER THERE FIRST HAND PEOPLE DRAIN THEIR YARDS INTO THESE SEWER LINES.

YES. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT.

YES. AND THAT'LL THAT'LL BE ANOTHER ISSUE WE'LL HAVE TO BRING TO THE TABLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS DON'T BELIEVE ORDNANCE WISE WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN ENFORCE. YES.

BETWEEN THAT AND I MEAN. YEAH.

INCLUDE THAT AREA IN THE CITY SANITARY SEWERS TOO.

I THINK THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO DEVELOP A BIG ENOUGH PROJECT BACK WHEN THAT ALL WAS DONE WHEN WE ANNEXED THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.

BUT ANOTHER ANOTHER POOR DECISION MADE.

BUT WE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT NOW.

EXACTLY. ON THE BIOREMEDIATION LOCATION OF SOUTH CASEY.

CAN Y'ALL PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE RESIDENT AND LET HIM KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS FOR THAT AND WHAT ACTIONS ARE BEING TAKEN? OKAY, I CAN DO THAT.

I'LL TRY TO GET. I GOT A COWORKER.

I GOT I HAVE A COWORKER THAT LIVES IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE DITCH FROM THAT.

CLOSER TO IT THAN THIS OTHER PERSON.

SO I'LL TELL MY COWORKER WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WEST ASHTON PARISH? AGAIN, THAT'S A IT'S A PRETTY SMALL SECTION THERE, BUT IT'S IT'S OFF OF WEST MILLER AND THEN IT GOES SOUTH DOWN PARRISH AND THEN IT CROSSES OVER INTO WEST ASH THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE EASEMENT THERE.

AND IT'S A DEAD END RIGHT THERE.

AND IT'S BASICALLY AN L-SHAPED, YOU KNOW, THAT IT GOES FROM THE DEAD END BACK TO MILLER AND THAT JUST THAT LITTLE SECTION RIGHT THERE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF IT'S KIND OF A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE FOR US THERE AGAIN, WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY CLEARING LINES.

SO THAT'LL BE A PRETTY INEXPENSIVE ONE JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF IT.

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BUT IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND OF LORRAINE, THAT IS FROM BORDERS DOWN TO BASICALLY SOUTH VELASCO AND POSSIBLY ACROSS SOUTH VELASCO. JUST DEPENDS.

WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE IF THERE WAS DID WE DO SOME MORE INVESTIGATION ON THE PROJECT, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT SURE IF THERE'S CASING UNDER THE ROAD OR NOT AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE OF US TRYING TO GET UNDER THE HIGHWAY.

SO AND THAT'S A VERY BIG TRUNK LINE.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES IN THAT AREA AND IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WE GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.

SO THAT ONE, WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE PRETTY QUICKLY AND JUST KIND OF SEE WHERE WE NEED TO PROCEED ON THAT.

AND WILKINS AND VALLADARES.

THAT'S AN AREA WE'RE GOING TO RIGHT NOW BELIEVE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO START OUT MORE AS A EVALUATION OF THAT AREA JUST TO KIND OF SEE IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, PROBABLY START OUT WITH JUST A CCTV AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THAT AREA.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE CCTV? ALL THAT STUFF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PIPE.

THAT'S LIKE THAT FOUNDATIONS AND HOUSES ARE.

THAT'S WHAT THE OTHER OPTIONS.

THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF. MM.

OKAY. AND I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OR.

ANYBODY UP HERE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THE MOST TASTY TOPIC.

OH. HECTOR, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? I GUESS WE'LL SEE IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT.

AND FROM THE.

THE MONEY WE HAD LEFT FOR LIFT STATION REHABILITATION.

ARE THESE THE FOUR THAT YOU'RE TARGETING OR IS THIS SOMETHING ELSE? THE FOUR LIFT STATIONS ARE ONES THAT ARE HAVE JUST BEEN COMPLETED.

AND AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, FUNDING WISE BETWEEN ARPA ONE AND ARPA TWO, WE ALLOCATED $2.75 MILLION TO BETWEEN LIFT STATIONS, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND SEWER LINES.

AND OF THAT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT $670,000 LEFT OUT OF BOTH OF THOSE LINE ITEMS. SO WE'RE GETTING KIND OF DOWN TO THE END OF EVERYTHING.

WE HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER OF 24, I BELIEVE, TO FINISH SPENDING THOSE WHICH WE'LL HAVE NO ISSUE DOING THAT.

BUT I GUESS TO MAKE THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF MAKING SOME REALLY GOOD IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'VE MADE SOME REALLY GOOD DECISIONS WITH THIS FUNDING, BUT IT'S ALL COMING TO AN END, RIGHT? IT'D BE NICE TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET.

WHAT ELSE YOU CAN GET ON THAT 670,000 LEFT OFF THIS LIST THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

YES. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION WE CAN BASED ON CRITICALITY AND COST.

BUT WE'RE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SMART DECISIONS WITH WHAT WE HAVE LEFT.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I'VE NUMBER 14 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING THE RECOMMENDED STREETS TO BE ADDED TO THE STREET BOND PROJECT.

[14. Discussion and possible action on approving the recommended streets to be added to the Street Bond Project - Package III.]

PACKAGE THREE.

3.2 MILLION LEFT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO ABOUT LOOKING AT DIFFERENT STREETS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

ONE OF THE ONES THAT THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT AND HECTOR HAS HAS POINTED OUT IS THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AS FAR AS SMALL POINT REPAIRS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THAT'S THAT INCLUDES STRIPING THINGS LIKE CROSSWALKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT AN INTERSECTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IT, BUT IT DOES SOUND HOLLOW UNDERNEATH THE PAVING.

SO THERE'S THERE'S THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO GO AND DO SOME SMALL POINT REPAIRS WHERE WE COULD DO A LITTLE MAINTENANCE PROJECT AND BID OUT DIFFERENT SIZED POINT REPAIRS.

AND YOU CAN MAKE THOSE POINT REPAIRS OUT IN THE FIELD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO TIE BACK IN TO ELEVATIONS.

THERE'S NO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO OUT AND CUT THEM TIME IN AND GO OUT, DO AN AERIAL, DO A QUICK MARKUP, SIGN THEM, GET THEM OUT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CROSSWALKS, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

TALKING WITH HECTOR, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE HIGH ON THE LIST OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT'S REMAINING.

TALKING TO HECTOR, HE BELIEVES ABOUT 300,000 FOR THE POINT REPAIRS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO GET YOU STARTED ON THIS PROCESS AND THEN ABOUT 50,000 FOR STRIPING AND AGAIN, THE STRIPING WOULD DO CROSSWALKS, STOP BARS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE USING THERMOPLASTIC.

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THAT'S HIGH REFLECTIVE.

SO THAT'S ONE ONE THAT WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

THE OTHER ONE IS BEFORE YOU GO ON TALKING ABOUT THAT, THE 50,000 FOR STRIPING, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, MAIN ARTERIAL ROADS? ARE WE TALKING RESIDENTIAL ROADS? BECAUSE I GOT AN EARFUL DURING THE CAMPAIGN FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS ABOUT STRIPING CERTAIN STREETS THAT THEY CAN'T SEE.

AND I REACHED OUT TO CHRIS AND I EVEN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM WERE ASKING ABOUT REFLECTIVE THE LITTLE REFLECTORS THAT GO ON THE STREET.

LITTLE BUTTONS? YEAH, THE LITTLE BUTTONS.

AND THEY SAID BECAUSE THE STRIPING SOMETIMES DOESN'T WORK EITHER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT.

IT'S JUST YELLOW AND NIGHT.

THEY CAN'T SEE IT OR BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF DARK STREETS.

SO THE REFLECTORS, THEY SAID, WOULD WORK BETTER AND THAT'S THE NON REFLECTIVE PART.

IS IT JUST BEING PAINT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE THERMOPLASTIC IT'S DEFINITELY A LOT MORE REFLECTIVE.

SO I'M NOT SURE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE SQUARE, THE REFLECTORS WOULD BE NECESSARY.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION, YES, I MEAN, WE USE IT ANYWHERE.

I JUST NOTICED THAT THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK LIKE THEY EVER WERE STRIPED.

IF THEY IF THEY EVER WERE, WE CAN'T TELL.

IT'S TOO FADED IF IT EVER WAS.

AND SOME THAT ARE GETTING TO THAT POINT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGET FOR IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET GETS YOU THE SECTION WE DID ON CEDAR AND THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE ON HENDERSON AND BOOKED AND THAT'S IT WE'RE WIPED OUT FOR THE YEAR.

SO JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH THIS MONEY, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO EVEN GET CAUGHT UP.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF THIS IS THE 50,000 GET US IT SHOULD GET US LINEAR.

I WOULD ESTIMATE PROBABLY ABOUT THREE MILES WORTH THREE MILES.

YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO GET AT.

JUST TRY TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN KEEP UP WITH IT WITH OPERATING BUDGET BY ACTUALLY USING THE THERMAL PLASTER TO ACTUALLY LAST LONGER, MORE REFLECTIVE VERSUS THE PAINT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASON WHY WE'VE GONE WITH PAINT IN THE PAST IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO LITTLE FUNDING FOR IT AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE COMPLAINTS. AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL OF THEM.

SO WE USE PAINT CHEAPER OPTION.

THE STREETS I GOT THE EARFUL ON ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE DEEP DITCHES ON THE SIDES.

MOST OF THOSE STREETS HAVE NO STRIPING OR REFLECTION AND THEY'RE PROBABLY THE MOST DANGEROUS IN THE CITY.

USUALLY WE ONLY STRIKE THE MAIN ARTERIES.

RIGHT. AND START.

BREGMAN. WHAT? USUALLY JUST DOWN THERE.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I GOT AN EARFUL ON WAS WEST WILKINS HENDERSON BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND 35 AND ALSO ABOUT.

DOWNING. SOUTH DOWNING.

SORRY. THOSE ARE THE THREE.

BUT AGAIN, WE NEED FUNDING FOR IT, RIGHT? THIS IS A PORTION JUST CHOSEN.

AND THIS IS A PORTION OF THIS THAT IS CHOSEN, THEN, YES, WE CAN START MOVING FORWARD.

AND, YOU KNOW, LIST OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S COMPLAINTS, CALL INS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE'LL JUST MAKE A BIG LIST AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM.

BUT JUST IN THE HOPES TO, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, JUST TRY TO GET CAUGHT UP ON SOME OF THIS AND MAINTAIN IT A LITTLE BETTER.

YEAH. AND THEN ON THAT, 300,000 THE PRAIRIE, IS IT PRAIRIE? I BELIEVE IT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, THAT CUL DE SAC THAT KEEPS FLOODING EVERY SINGLE TIME IT RAINS.

YOU KNOW, WE FIXED ENGLEWOOD, AND I THINK THAT WAS GREAT.

HAVE WE YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE US TO SEE IF WE CAN'T FIX.

YOU'VE GONE OUT THERE, JEFF, MULTIPLE TIMES AND WE'VE REACHED WHAT IS IT YOU SAY? PARRISH STREET PRAIRIE.

I THOUGHT RANCHO.

OH, NO, NO. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.

RIGHT BEHIND THIS. YEAH.

I GOT HDR LOOKING AT THAT.

YEAH, WE'VE CUT THE DITCHES, BURT.

BERT? YEAH.

LAURA? LAURA? LAURA? LAURA? YEAH.

JOHN AND I THINK LOOKING IN ABOUT THE RAILROAD CULVERTS UNDERNEATH THE RAILROADS.

I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT'S ANY OF THAT.

I THINK IT'S THE FACT THAT THE ROADS JUST THE CUL DE SACS LOW, IT'S IT'S SUNK BACK AND IT'S NOT IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO FLOW.

EARL. ROAD WAS DESIGNED TO BE PART OF THE GRAND TOUR IN THAT AREA, TOO.

IT THAT'S TRUE. I THINK SO, YEAH.

PEARL NUTS. YEAH.

THAT'S TRUE. I MEAN, HE NEVER BUILT A ROAD WITH STORM.

SO I KNOW THAT MY OBSERVATION, THE BUTTONS.

NOT ECONOMICAL.

UH, TO START WITH, THEY LOOK GOOD, THEN THEY GET KNOCKED OFF, THEY'RE IN THE DITCH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU PAID FOR.

YEAH, IT WAS SUGGESTED.

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YEAH, WELL, THAT'S GOOD.

BUT EVEN ON THE HIGHWAY, AFTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS, HALF OF THEM ARE GONE BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST TRAFFIC KNOCKS THEM OFF.

ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER STREETS THAT WE HAD TALKED TO STAFF BRIEFLY ABOUT WAS ON PARRISH STREET FROM LIVE OAK TO 35, ABOUT 1600 LINEAR FEET.

THE EXISTING ROAD IS AN ELEVATED ASPHALT ROADWAY WITH SHALLOW DITCHES.

IT'S IT'S BASICALLY A CONTINUATION OR RIGHT THERE IN THE AREA WHERE WE WERE WITH MILLER AND WE WERE HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH DRAINAGE THERE IN THAT AREA JUST DUE TO HOW FLAT THE GROUND IS.

A LOT OF THE ROADS THAT YOU SEE ARE ARE ELEVATED ASPHALT ROADS WITH DITCHES.

RIGHT. AND THE REASON WHY IS IT'S SO SHALLOW WITH THE OUTFALLS, THAT WAS WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO MAKE IT WORK.

THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE BEST AVAILABLE DEPTH AND STUFF.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE DITCHES THAT ARE TWO FOOT DEEP OR THREE FOOT DEEP, IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO LOWER IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO LOWER THE CURB DOWN BELOW THE RIGHT OF WAY.

BY THE TIME YOU DO THAT AND YOU PUSH EVERYTHING DOWN, YOUR YOUR YOUR PIPE ISN'T BY THE TIME YOU TIE INTO YOUR OUTFALL, YOUR PIPE IS ABOVE THE GROUND, THE TOP OF YOUR PIPE. SO WE WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP ON ON THESE TALKING WITH WITH HECTORS IS GO AHEAD AND PUT IT TO A 27 FOOT OR 28 FOOT STREET.

BUT IT WOULD BE AN ELEVATED CONCRETE STREET NOT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE PRICING OUT RIGHT NOW IS THAT IS AN ELEVATED CONCRETE STREET.

WE'D FILL THE DITCHES IN WITH STORM SEWER AND THEN WE PUT SIDEWALK OVER THE TOP OF THAT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HAS A LOT OF BUS STOPS.

YOU KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING MAYBE TODAY, BUT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH SOUTHSIDE DRIVE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THIS WILL ALL HAVE TO BE IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS HAVE TO BE CULVERTED IN.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUATION OF OF PARISH.

AND WHAT THIS WILL DO IS THIS WILL CONNECT 35 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MILLER FROM LIVE OAK TO MILLER AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALREADY DID MILLER STREET RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA.

THERE'S A BUS STOP THERE THAT WE PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS.

IT'LL CONNECT THE SIDEWALKS TOGETHER TO MAKE IT KIND OF A TRUE, A TRUE SIDEWALK AREA OR A PATHWAY TO WHERE YOU'RE CONNECTING THINGS TOGETHER FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA. UM, AGAIN, IT'S AN ELEVATED, ELEVATED ASPHALT ROADWAY.

THE COST INCLUDE WIDENING IT OUT TO 27FT, FILLING IN THE DITCH, PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS ON THAT.

NOW SOME OF THESE COSTS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE COSTS, YOU LOOK HOW SHORT THEY ARE.

SOME OF THE DRIVING COSTS ARE IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T LOWER THE ROAD, RIGHT.

DUE TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE SIDEWALKS ALL CONNECT BACK TO THE ROAD TO THAT CERTAIN ELEVATION.

RIGHT? SO WE'RE LIKE A DEPRESSED CURB AND GUTTER.

IT'S BLOWING.

THE WATER CAN RUN IN.

EVERYTHING'S COMING IN AND DRAINING.

WHEN YOU FILL THOSE DITCHES IN, YOU HAVE TO GIVE SOME WAY FOR WATER TO GET INTO THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG A SYSTEM IT IS.

IF YOU DON'T GIVE ACCESS TO AN INLET, THEN YOU'LL START PONDING WATER.

WELL, YOU'VE GOT DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS AND STUFF.

A LOT OF TIMES IT'S HARD TO DRAIN ACROSS THOSE DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS.

YOU HAVE TO SET AN INLET.

NOW, THAT'S NOT SAYING WE CAN'T LOWER THESE, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE A SURVEY.

SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS IF WE HAVE TO PLACE AN INLET BETWEEN ALL THIS STUFF BECAUSE THE INLETS ARE WHERE IT GETS EXPENSIVE.

RIGHT. BECAUSE INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE INLET, EVERY 1000 FOOT WATER DRAINS 500FT EACH WAY.

YOU'RE HAVING TO PUT AN INLET TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT HOLDING WATER ON SOMEBODY OR FLOODING OUT SOME OF THESE AREAS IN THERE.

SO THESE ARE WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO.

PERHAPS REDUCE COSTS.

POSSIBILITY. BUT KNOWING KNOWING THE ELEVATIONS AND HOW HARD IT IS TO GET THE ELEVATIONS TO WORK.

OUT HERE IN STREETS, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE DEPTH OF YOUR OUTFALL IS GOING TO BE ONE OF YOUR CONTROLLING.

FACTORS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.

APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THE WORST CASE.

I MEAN, I GET THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AND I APPRECIATE IT.

HOW WAS TJ? RIGHT, DONE.

TJ RIGHT. THEY WENT TO THE OUTFALL, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY DIDN'T TIE INTO AN EXISTING ONE.

THERE WAS A LARGE A LARGER, DEEPER OUTFALL.

SAME THING WITH WILKINS, WILKINS AND DOWNING ALL WENT TO THAT BIG, BIGGER SYSTEMS THAT GOING BACK BEHIND H-E-B GOT BIG STORM DRAINS THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO 35, GOES UNDER 35, THAT BIG DITCH OVER THERE.

SO SO YOU'RE GETTING NEW OUTFALLS, YOU'RE CREATING NEW OUTFALLS.

WHEN YOU'RE CREATING NEW OUTFALLS, YOU'RE GETTING DEPTH, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, SO A LOT OF THESE WORKING INSIDE THE CITY WHERE THEY'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER IN SOME SORT OF A CONGLOMERATE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, YOU CAN ONLY

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GO AS DEEP AS THE OUTFALL DITCHES.

RIGHT. AND THESE DITCHES ARE SUCH THEY'RE ONLY 2 TO 3FT DEEP.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.

NOW, IF YOU WANTED TO DO ANOTHER MAJOR, MAJOR DRAINAGE, I MEAN, THAT WOULD HELP OUT THE AREA TREMENDOUSLY.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

NO, I'M THINKING HOW COULD YOU TIE IN PARISH TO TJ WRIGHT'S DRAINAGE SYSTEM? COULD YOU? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE AREA MAP, THE WEST LIVE OAK.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REROUTE THAT WATER.

YEAH, SEE, THAT'S THE THING I WAS ASKING.

YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE AREA MAP.

EVERY DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS SIZED BASED OFF OF A DRAINAGE AREA.

IT'S ALL COMING INTO IT.

SO IF I'M CHANGING A WATERSHED AND BRINGING WATER INTO SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED IT TO BE, I COULD HAVE SOME MAJOR IMPACTS TO THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA.

AND WORST PARISH GOING NOW AND GOING TO THE BAYOU.

YEAH, IT'S GOING BACKWARDS.

IT'S GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY. AND THEN T.J..

RIGHT. OKAY.

FIRST OUTFALL IS WHERE WHERE IS PARISH'S OUTFALL GOES DOWN AND FALLS AND TURNS A HEAD START, GOES TO THAT BIG DRAINAGE.

WELL, HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT FROM 35 IN THE 35 END? WHERE DOES THAT GO? 35. AND WHERE DOES PARISH DUMP INTO 35? WHAT HAPPENS THERE YOU GO INTO TEX DOT STORM SEWER.

YEAH IT GOES IT GOES UNDERNEATH AND GOES BETWEEN.

COUNTY PARKS DEPARTMENT GOES OVER THERE BEHIND.

SAME AS TJ, RIGHT? YES.

SO AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE GET A SURVEY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY DEPTH WE CAN GRAB THERE.

WELL, MARK, MY CONCERN IS THAT.

IN THE PAST. JUST ABOUT EVERY.

MAJOR ROADWAY IN THE CITY THAT WE'VE CONVERTED FROM A TWO LANE BLACKTOP.

WE'VE KIND OF CONVERTED IT TO A CURB AND GUTTER STORM SEWER SYSTEM.

IF WE'RE GOING TO START CHANGING THE STYLE OF PAVEMENT SECTION.

THEY WERE GOING TO DO.

WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO NEED TO INFORM AND EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC.

BECAUSE I CAN SEE SOME.

KICKBACK COMING.

IF IF THE CITY STAFF DECIDES TO GO WITH A WITH A WITH A.

HOUSE TOP LOOKING STREET FROM MILLER TO 35, RATHER THAN A CURB AND GUTTER SECTION FROM MILLER TO 35.

GET IT ON, TJ. RIGHT.

DONE IT ON NORTH WALKER.

SOUTH WALKER. PEACH STREET.

ALL THE STREETS AROUND HERE.

AND AGAIN, WE'LL WE'LL LOOK AT IT ONCE.

I UNDERSTAND, OUTFALLS.

I'VE WORKED IN HERE SINCE 1974.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.

THE CITY'S BEEN HERE A LOT LONGER THAN THAT.

THE REASON THEY HAVE THE TYPE OF STREET SYSTEM WITH DITCHES, DOWNING ROAD WAS A WAS A WAS A DITCH TWO LANE BLACKTOP IN 1974 WHEN I CAME HERE.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE FIRST DID THE FIRST CONCRETE CURB.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER THERE IN FRONT OF CHURCH OF CHRIST RIGHT NOW.

SO. THAT'S ALL WE STARTED WITH BACK THEN.

UH, REALLY STUDIED HARD TO GO TO, TO GO TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A STREET SYSTEM.

YEAH, DEFINITELY.

LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO GIVE A COST WHERE IF WE CAN CUT SOME OF THESE INLETS OUT.

I KNOW YOU WERE TOLD THE STAFF TOLD YOU TO DO WHAT YOU DID, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH. SO I'M TRYING, TRYING TO WORK WITH THAT.

OH, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IS LUCAS FROM TJ RIGHT TO LUKE 274.

THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SAME BASICALLY THE SAME EXACT KIND OF THING THAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE OTHER ONES ON PARRISH.

MOVING ON TO WESTERN AVENUE, THAT ONE WOULD BE AGAIN ANOTHER ELEVATED.

IF YOU GO LOOK ON WESTERN AVENUE, THE, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE DRAINAGE IS SO SHALLOW THERE, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE CONCRETE OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WHERE IT CROSSES THE CULVERTS IS GRAVEL OR ASPHALT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DEPTH TO GET THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY OF FOUR, SIX INCH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL DOWN THROUGH THAT AREA.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S DRAINS BACK AROUND THE CORNER TOWARDS THE TEX-DOT RIGHT AWAY.

IT'S HELD RIGHT THERE AT THAT ELEVATION.

WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ALSO AS WELL.

THE NEXT ONE IS SILVER SADDLE THAT WE LOOKED AT.

THAT ONE'S RIGHT THERE OFF OF BRONCO BEND.

THAT ONE. THE ROAD IS RUNNING UP SEVERELY.

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THAT'S DUE TO THERE IS NO DRAINAGE.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO DRAINAGE OUT THERE.

SO WHEN IT RAINS, WHEN WHEN THOSE TRUCKS COME AROUND, SILVER SADDLE NARROWS HALFWAY AROUND.

AS YOU APPROACH BACK AROUND TO TIE BACK INTO BRONCO BEND.

AND THOSE TRUCKS HAVE KIND OF STARTED TEETERING ON THE EDGE AND TEARING UP THAT EDGE RIGHT THERE.

SO WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT OR WHAT HECTOR AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS MAYBE.

TAKE A LOOK AT WIDENING THE ROAD OUT TO 18, WHERE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF IT AND JUST DO FROM THE PART THAT IT'S STARTING TO FALL APART ON AROUND COMING ON AROUND.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH DRAINAGE.

AGAIN, EVERYTHING IS SO SHALLOW RIGHT THERE.

BUT I DO THINK IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU CAN PUT A SMALL SOME SORT OF SMALL SYSTEM MAY NOT BE SIZED TO A STANDARD, BUT SOMETHING TO GET THE WATER OFF BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT JUST SITS THERE. AND AS IT SITS THERE, THE GROUND BECOMES SATURATED, THE SUBGRADE BECOMES SATURATED, AND YOUR ROAD STARTS LOSING STRENGTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED WHEN THOSE TRUCKS, GARBAGE TRUCKS, WHEN WE WERE THERE, GARBAGE TRUCK CAME BY AND YOU COULD JUST SEE THE THE PAVING MOVE AS IT AS IT WENT BY BECAUSE IT JUST GOT THROUGH RAINING AND THE GROUND SATURATED.

DON'T YOU HAVE TO REMOVE A TREE? I THINK IN THE CORNER WHERE IT COMES BACK IN THE BRONCO BIN TO WIDEN THAT ROAD OUT.

I'M HOPING WE DON'T.

WE WERE LOOKING AT IT.

THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DESIGN.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TRY TO CATCH A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH BY TRYING TO START AT 288 B AND REGRADING THAT DITCH TO BRING IT BACK, BECAUSE THE THE PIPE THAT'S UNDER BRONCO BEND, EVEN RIGHT THERE, THAT DRAINS BRONCO BEND, LOOKS LIKE IT'S COLLAPSED.

SO WE WANT TO GET AS MUCH DEPTH AS WE CAN AND TRY TO PUT IN SOME SOME DRAINAGE IN THERE.

AND WE KIND OF WALKED AND TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WE THOUGHT THE BEST WAY.

NOW THERE IS A DRAINAGE DITCH HALFWAY AROUND THAT ACTUALLY TIES BACK DOWN INTO HENDERSON.

SO, YEAH, THAT GOES THROUGH THERE, THROUGH THAT BACK EASEMENT.

SO WE NEED TO EVALUATE THAT TO SEE IF MAYBE WE CAN TIE INTO THAT.

WHAT ALL GOES INTO THAT, WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET IT TO HENDERSON? I DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AREA AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON SILVER SADDLE, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DO A LOOK AT.

BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH STAFF AND CAME UP WITH SOME COST ESTIMATES ON ON WESTERN AVENUE.

AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY YEARS AGO THIS HAPPENED, BUT FOR FOR FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE ON WESTERN AVENUE COMPLAINED ABOUT HOMES FLOODING. ONE HOME FOR SURE WAS A USED RESIDENCE.

MRS ALBERT AND CHARLOTTE USED TO BUILD THEIR HOUSE AND BUILT IT FLAT ON THE GROUND.

THEY WERE IN THE LOWEST PART OF THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION.

SHAME ON THEM. BUT THEY FLOODED ALL THE TIME.

AND YOU HAD CITY WENT THERE WITH A MAJOR PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE DITCHES.

ALL THROUGH WESTERN AVENUE.

THE OUTFALLS ARE TWO TO A FREEWAY AND SOUTH ACROSS 35.

AND AT THE TIME, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE PUT IN THE CITY.

PUT IN THE.

A REGRADED ALL THE DITCHES AND PUT IN THE CULVERTS.

THAT WOULD WORK.

NOW YOUR YOUR COMMENTARY AND YOUR IN BOARD PACK MENTIONED GOING IN, REPLACING ALL THE DRIVEWAY CULVERTS. YOU BETTER LOOK AT THAT REAL HARD.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH BY BY SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY ON NEW CULVERTS.

BECAUSE YOU'RE LIMITED BY THE OUTFALL ON THE WEST END AND AT 35.

CORRECT. I DON'T CARE HOW BIG A CULVERT YOU PUT IN THERE, YOU'RE LIMITED BY BY THE OUTFLOW THERE.

RIGHT. I AGREE WESTERN AVENUE NEEDS TO BE FIXED, BUT SO.

SO I LOOK AT THE.

I WOULD NOT PUT WESTERN AVENUE AS A PRIORITY BASED ON THE LIST THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

AND WOULD EAT UP MOST OF THE BALANCE.

HOW WIDE WERE YOU THINKING FOR WESTERN? WESTERN? WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE SIMILAR SIZE OF WHAT IT IS, JUST DUE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY LIMITATIONS AND WITH THE WITH THE DITCHES.

THE DITCHES, NOT ONLY ARE CONVEYANCE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO STORAGE.

SO WHEN IT RAINS, IT'LL HOLD WATER.

SO AS YOU KIND OF CLOSE THEM UP, IT TAKES AWAY SOME OF ITS STORAGE IF WE WERE TO WIDEN IT OUT.

HOW MUCH IS THE CULVERT PART OF THE PROJECT?

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THAT ONE. I DON'T HAVE MY NUMBERS HERE.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GREAT BIG THING BECAUSE IT'S ONLY AT THE DRIVEWAYS.

IT'S ONLY AT THE DRIVEWAYS.

AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE PUT NUMBERS IN THERE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE A HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS OF IT, BUT THERE ARE SOME DRIVEWAYS THAT LOOK LIKE COULD BE GOING DRAINING DOWNSTREAM THAT ARE SINGLE CULVERTS AND SOME ARE DOUBLE CULVERTS IN FRONT, BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER SIZE, THEY'RE DEEPER, THEY'VE GOT BETTER SLOPES.

SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT AND SEE.

BUT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONCRETE NO MATTER WHAT, WHATEVER WE DO, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO YOU CAN'T PUT POLY OR HDPE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT HAS TO BE HAS TO BE RCP BECAUSE THERE IS NO COVER.

CAN YOU SPLIT WESTERN IN HALF? AS FAR AS DUE TO CERTAIN FROM.

STARTING AT 35.

AND GOING AROUND SOUTH TO.

WHATEVER THAT IS. NO NAME.

STREET. WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? YEAH. NO NAME AND WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE AND THEN COMPLETING IT ON LATER.

JUST TRYING TO THINK OF IDEAS.

WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING IS YOU GET YOU GET MORE OF A BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.

JUST JUST LIKE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THE MORE, THE MORE YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE SOMEBODY COMES OUT.

ONE MOBILIZATION.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF OUR ROADS LATELY, THOUGH, WE'VE BEEN UNDER THE BUDGET.

SO, I MEAN, I'M HOPING THAT TREND CONTINUES.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO TO WESTERN AVENUE.

WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS NOT THE NORM WHERE WE JUST PUT CONCRETE ON TOP, LEAVE THE DITCHES OPEN.

LOCUS IS INTRIGUING BECAUSE.

THE AND I WOULD I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR STAFF IS LOOKING AND WORKING WITH ISD ON THE LONG TERM PLAN FOR THE OLD BUS BARN.

BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.

AND LOCUST IS ONE OF THE ONLY TRAFFIC CONTROLLED LIGHTS ON LOOP 274 THAT GOES INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WOULD BE IF YOU TAKE AWAY THAT NORTH SIDE OF THE OLD BUS BARN AND THAT AND THAT'S OPENED UP FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY CONNECT LOCUST BACK TO ITSELF ALL THE WAY TO NORTH WALKER AND YOU WOULD HAVE A.

NICE THOROUGHFARE COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARISH COMING NORTH.

RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THE THOUGHT IS.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING COME IN EAST.

AND THAT'S THE LIKE YOU SAID, THE ONLY ACCESS POINT.

AND IT WOULD MAKE THAT WHOLE AREA LOOK MUCH NICER.

I KEEP GOING BACK TO THAT ROAD.

YEAH. ONCE I SAW THIS THE OTHER DAY, I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT AGAIN.

I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW.

I BET AT ONE POINT LUCAS WAS A MAIN ARTERIAL ROAD OVER THERE.

I DON'T KNOW. MY.

I MEAN, I STILL THINK PARRISH STREET IS A NECESSITY AT SOME POINT, BUT WHAT'S ONE? THERE'S TWO OPTIONS HERE.

I MEAN, I WOULD START AT THE MILLER SIDE AND GO DOWN, BUT.

OKAY. SO ARE WE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE? WHAT'S THE BALANCE OF THIS FOR PACKAGE THREE? YES. SO TO ME.

CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

YEP. TO ME.

IT'S LOCUST. TJ, RIGHT? SILVER SADDLE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S LEFT.

CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION ON SILVER SADDLE? WHAT'S THAT? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO DO THE $371,000.

SILVER SADDLE. I THINK YOU NEED TO FIX THE ENTRANCE ON THE WEST SIDE THERE.

SO IT'S WIDE BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. AND THEN I THINK YOU FIX SECTIONS OF THAT ROAD.

THERE'S 2 OR 3 AREAS WHERE IT'S 12 FOOT LONG, WHATEVER, CUT THAT WHOLE SECTION OUT AND REDO THAT SECTION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A PRIORITY THROUGH ROAD, BUT IT'S IN THE WORST SHAPE.

NOT THE WHOLE ROAD, THOUGH.

RIGHT. WELL, OKAY.

ARE WE TALKING? SO IS THAT 750 LINEAR FEET? IS THAT INTENDED TO BE THE WHOLE ROAD? NO, THAT'S THAT'S ONLY THE BAD SECTION.

AND A COUPLE SECTIONS LIKE CHRIS SAID.

YES, SIR. SORRY. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION, SIR? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED FULL DEPTH RECLAMATION? YES, SIR. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT OVER THERE ON THAT.

WE'LL HAVE TO ADD SOME AGGREGATE WHERE THE IS AT ALONG WITH THE PORTLAND CEMENT OR SOMETHING IN THERE TO STABILIZE IT.

YES, SIR. I DO THAT A LOT ON A LOT OF COMMUNITIES.

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IT'S WORKED WELL.

IT'S CHEAP. RESIDENTS AREN'T OUT OF OUT OF POCKET, OUT OF OUT OF ROADWAY.

IT'S I LIKE THAT PROCESS.

WE SPLIT THAT UP AND JUST DO THAT WESTERN SIDE THAT NEEDS TO BE WIDENED THERE AS THE FIRST STEP AND THEN FIX.

WELL, CAN THAT BE DONE? YES, SIR.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DIVIDED.

YEAH, THAT'S. THAT'S WHAT THIS COST IS, IS JUST DOING THAT, THAT WESTERN.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE FOR 371,000 IS WHAT CHRIS IS SAYING.

YES. SO THEN I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO THAT.

I'M SAYING I'M SAYING LESS THAN THAT.

Y'ALL ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE, THEN.

WELL, SO WHAT TYPE OF SERVICES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ASPHALT. OKAY.

IT'S ASPHALT. YEAH.

TO STAFF, WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE AS WELL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PART OF WHAT'S CAUSING THE.

SO WE PUT A NEW ROAD IN.

DON'T KEEP THE WATER OUT OF IT.

IT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN. FASTER.

ALL RIGHT. I RETRACT MY.

OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT I STATED EARLIER.

SO THEY SEE ROUGHLY $350,000 FOR CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE.

PARRISH STREET LIVE OAK TO MILLER, WHICH IS 1.7, WHICH GETS YOU ROUGHLY 2 MILLION.

YEP. AND YOU HAVE SILVER SADDLE, WHICH GETS YOU TO 2.4 MILLION, ROUGHLY.

AND THAT LEAVES YOU ABOUT.

A MILLION TO WORK WITH. WELL, LESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT.

CAN YOU TALK? I THINK YOU CHECK OFF, WHAT, FOUR DIFFERENT ITEMS? IT'S A GOOD USE OF MONEY.

I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED SOME MONEY IN RESERVE, AND THAT LEAVES US MONEY.

AND THEN SOME OTHER MONEY COMES ALONG.

WE CAN TIE IT TOGETHER WITH ANOTHER PACKAGE OR.

SOMETHING LIKE CECIL.

RIGHT. SOMETHING RESERVED. SOME EMERGING POPS UP.

WE NEED TO A SINKHOLE.

WE GOT TO SPEND SOME SOME MONEY OUT OF THE $10 MILLION BOND FOR ROADS, RIGHT? WELL, THAT MAY BE. THAT MAY BE THAT MAY BE AN OPTION THERE THEN, THAT YOU TAKE THAT ROUGHLY $800,000 BALANCE AND.

PATCH IT UP WITH SOMEWHERE ELSE AND MAYBE YOU DO THE OTHER PART OF PARRISH STREET.

I DON'T KNOW. I JUST THINK WESTERN CAN WAIT.

I THINK WESTERN HAS GOT TO BE A SEPARATE LIKE I DO.

YOU GO FOR A $10 MILLION ROAD BOND AND WESTERNS, 4 MILLION BY THEN.

I AGREE. AND IT MAY BE THAT WAY.

WHERE YOU GO FOR A $70 MILLION ROAD BOND THROWN IN WITH HENDERSON ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. HENDERSON AT 65 MILLION, I THINK IT GROWS UP EVERY DAY TO.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE MY IDEAS.

AND WE TALK ABOUT THE ROMANIANS IN THERE TOO.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YEAH, WE AT 50, SO THAT'S STILL AT 0.2.4, ROUGHLY.

MY MATH. WHERE'S THIS HOLLOW STREET YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT WAS THAT INTERSECTION? YEAH, YOU CAN REALLY YOU CAN HEAR CARS WHEN THEY GO BY.

YOU CAN HEAR A THUD WHEN IT TRANSFERS FROM ONE CRACK PAVING TO THE OTHER.

OR IS THAT THAT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE THAT SECTION OF DOWNING ROAD HAS HAD SOME FAILURES ON IT AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

THE SAME TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AS ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN.

I DON'T KNOW. AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PIPE AND.

ALL THE THE PAINTINGS YOU CAN SEE THE PAINTINGS BROKE AND FALLING IN.

AND WHEN A CAR COMES BY, YOU CAN YOU CAN HEAR IT.

JUST DON'T. OH, SOUTH BELL AND DOWNEY.

YEAH. SHE WAS LIKE, OKAY, DO YOU REMEMBER THEY DONE THE ANGLE CUT OUT TO TO THAT STORM.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ALL BROKE.

YEAH, YEAH. BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHECK.

WE'RE GOING TO GET DOWN IN THE SCORING.

YEAH. OKAY.

WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO STREET PACKAGE THREE FOR THE UP TO $350,000 IN CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE UP TO.

ROUGHLY 1.7 MILLION ON PARRISH STREET LIVE OAK TO MILLER.

THING ARE SILVER SADDLE.

AND. SILVER SADDLE.

WHICH IS 3.7 MILLION 377,000.

THANK YOU. 371,000.

THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

WHAT DOES THAT PUT US AT? IS THAT. 2.5, ROUGHLY.

AND THEN. LEAVE THE BALANCE.

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I THINK THE NEXT THING WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS TJ.

RIGHT, BUT.

THE LOCUST. A LOCUST FROM TJ RIGHT TO LOOP 274.

I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS.

I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT THE WHOLE THING.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD AS A COUNCIL, GET TOGETHER.

COMMIT TO WHAT STYLE OF STREET AND WHAT LEVEL OF CAPACITY STREET DO WE DO THIS WITH? IF WE'RE GOING TO LIKE I SAID, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE OVER TO A DIFFERENT STYLE OF STREET.

AND LET'S LET'S EXPLAIN THAT TO THE TO THE TRAVELING PUBLIC, BECAUSE HONESTLY THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO.

YOU MIGHT GET SOME FLAK.

WELL, I'M FOR. I KNOW WE'RE I GUESS THIS IS ANY POSSIBLE DISCUSSION, BUT YES, I'M FOR.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE WORDS MODERNIZING, BUT TO GO TO A CONCRETE STREET WITH WHEN CAPABLE.

I KNOW IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO HAVE GUTTERS BUT AND CURB BUT YOU KNOW I KNOW SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THE FLOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE OPEN DITCHES.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART TO GO TO A CONCRETE STREET WITH WITH CURB AND GUTTER WHEN POSSIBLE.

IN STORMS OR EVEN WHEN POSSIBLE.

ESPECIALLY IN THESE OLDER STREETS AS WE TEND TO BRING LIFE BACK TO THEM.

OR I'D LIKE TO SEE.

IF YOU CAN DO IT ON PARISH.

YEAH. WE'LL TAKE A DEATH AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

BUT LIKE I SAID, ON ON MILLER, WE COULDN'T DO IT RIGHT.

MILLER. WE JUST. WE JUST.

WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO, AND THAT WAS EVEN WITH A 12 INCH PIPE UNDERNEATH IT.

LUCKILY, WE WERE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL TO WHERE IT DIDN'T DIDN'T TAKE MUCH WATER.

BUT YES, MOST DEFINITELY SOME OF THE TIE INS THAT WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THOSE ELEVATIONS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND.

I'M STILL HOPEFUL THAT WHEN YOU DO YOUR.

FURTHER EVALUATION.

MAYBE THERE'S SOME MONEY THAT CAN BE SAVED ON THAT MILLER PROJECT.

MILLER TWO. OR LIVE OAK TO MILLER OFF PARRISH STREET.

YES, LIVE OAK TO TJ.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SOME MONEY AVAILABLE IF WE IF 1.7 COMES IN UNDER HOW MUCH MORE IT WOULD COST TO CONNECT LIVE OAK FROM TJ RIGHT.

TO PERISH THAT LITTLE SECTION RIGHT THERE, IF YOU COULD TIE IT IN SOMEHOW.

BUT. I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST WHAT WE'VE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION FOR.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S TO HAVE ONE LITTLE SECTION THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE ASPHALT BETWEEN JOHN WRIGHT OF MONEY.

WHEN WE DID THAT ON SHENANGO, WHEN WE DID RICHMOND, WE WENT UP AND DID THAT LITTLE SECTION OF SHENANGO TO, YOU KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, JOHN.

THANK YOU. I'VE NUMBER 15 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PERCENTAGE FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

[15. Presentation, discussion and possible action on the percentage for Homestead Exemption, the Over 65 Exemption and Disabled Person Exemption from AD Valorem Taxes.]

THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION AND DISABLED PERSON EXEMPTION FROM AD VALOREM TAXES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A PRINTOUT THAT EIGHT 1117 PRINTOUT WITH AN EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 SHEET ON TOP OF IT. IF YOU GO TO TAB ONE.

OKAY. THE I GAVE YOU THE NEW PRINTOUT BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO GET UPDATED ESTIMATED PROPERTY VALUES AS OF THIS AFTERNOON. AND THIS FIRST PAGE OF THE PRINTOUT HAS THE NEW ESTIMATED PROPERTY VALUES OF LIKE $1.89 BILLION AND USING THAT AS OUR ESTIMATED VALUES AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR ADJUSTED TAX LEVY FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NO NEW NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF 46.8 CENTS PER $100 VALUATION.

NOW, IF YOU'LL NOTICE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT SPREADSHEET, I'VE, I'VE LISTED THE CURRENT PROPERTY TAX RATE 60 1.8 CENTS.

SO THAT TELLS ME JUST FROM LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, THAT OUR VALUES HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.

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AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF INCREASED VALUATIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE WHAT'S WHAT THAT BREAKDOWN IS RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S WHEN ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR PROPOSED TAX RATES.

NOW, USING THESE ESTIMATES, WE CAN STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO INCREASE OUR PROPERTY TAX RATE BY THREE AND ONE HALF PERCENT ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

THAT WILL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $310,000 IN EXTRA REVENUE FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

REMEMBER THE $310,000? BECAUSE ON THE NEXT PAGE WE GO TO THE NEXT TAB.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, IF WE GO FROM A 2% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH WE ARE AT NOW TO A 3%, IT'S GOING TO COST US $36,000 APPROXIMATELY IN REVENUE NEXT YEAR.

AND FOR EACH PERCENTAGE WE GET, WE GO UP.

IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY IN PROPOSED REVENUE.

LOOKING AT THE.

THE THE EXEMPTION FOR THE OVER 65.

THAT IS A WE WOULD GO IN FROM A $50,000 EXEMPTION WHERE WE ARE NOW TO A 50.

$55,000 EXEMPTION WOULD COST US ABOUT $37,000 IN REVENUE.

AND THEN WHEN WE GO OVER TO THE LAST SET OF COLUMNS IN THAT SPREADSHEET.

IF WHICH IS THE DISABLED EXEMPTION.

IF WE GO UP FROM A $50,000 EXEMPTION TO A $55,000 EXEMPTION, THAT'S GOING TO COST US ABOUT $2,800.

SO. I'VE GIVEN YOU THIS ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT AND WE NEED SOME GUIDANCE SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH AN ORDINANCE. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, WE HAVE TO DO IT BY ORDINANCE BEFORE JULY 1ST.

AND THIS IS BASED OFF THE CURRENT PEOPLE THAT FOLKS THAT CAN CLAIM THE EXEMPTION? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SAT ON THIS COUNCIL AND BEEN THIS QUIET.

WHEN ARE THE NUMBERS GOING TO BE FINALIZED? WE WON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBERS FOR JULY 25TH.

OKAY. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO GO DOWN.

YES, IT'S GONE DOWN SINCE THE END OF APRIL.

SO IT WILL CONTINUE GOING DOWN, I'M SURE.

TO ME, IT'S A NO BRAINER TO INCREASE THE DISABLED PERSONS EXEMPTION.

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5000. $2,100 COST.

YES. I STILL THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO ADD TO OUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO 1% UP FROM WHERE WE'RE AT.

HOWEVER, I SAY THAT I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, SO I'M WILLING TO SAY KEEP THE 2% EXEMPTION IF.

IF IT MEANS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OR VICE VERSA.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO.

I DON'T WANT TO IMPACT US ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND GET THINGS FIXED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME.

YOU KNOW. IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY, I FEEL, TO THE TAXPAYERS HERE IN ANGLETON.

SENIOR EXEMPTION.

EASY. I GO BACK AND FORTH ON.

BECAUSE MOST OF THE SENIORS IN THIS CASE.

WE'LL ALSO GET THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AT THE SAME TIME.

YES. ARE YOU DOUBLE COUNTING THAT NUMBER IN YOUR FIGURES? THE. BECAUSE IF THEY GET THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, THAT COST GOING UP $5,000 IS 30, 37,000.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO PROBABLY LIKELY IN THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AS WELL.

SO THAT WOULD GO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN BOTH OF THEM.

IT'D BE INCLUDED IN BOTH. EIGHME.

I WOULD DEFER TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ON THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, AND I'VE BEEN GETTING IT.

EVER SINCE I BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE IN TOWN ON THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION, I WILL CAMPAIGN FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN THINK WE CAN AFFORD. THE PEOPLE IN THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION HAVE BEEN PAYING THE FULL VOTE EVER SINCE THE FIRST HOUSE THEY BUILT.

THEY'RE STILL THEY'RE STILL PAYING IT.

IN PROBABLY WILL CONTINUE TO PAY IT UNTIL THEY GO INTO THEIR GRAVE.

BUT. SO.

WE'LL SAY IF YOU DO THE MATH, IF I'M DOING THE MATH CORRECTLY.

SO IF YOU DID.

THE 2%.

YOU DO NOT EXPAND THE HOMESTEAD TO 3%.

IF YOU DID NOT EXPAND IT TO 3% AND YOU REMAINED AT TWO.

BUT. YOU RAISE THE OVER 65 TO 60 FROM 50.

YOU BASICALLY GET THE SAME VALUATION.

IT WOULD COST OUR REVENUE FOR THE CITY'S PURPOSE OF ROUGHLY ABOUT $73,000.

SO EITHER WAY, YOU GET TO THE SAME PLACE.

IT'S JUST WHO IS GETTING WHO'S GETTING IT? WELL.

OH. THE PEOPLE WHO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FILED A HOMESTEAD, YOU KNOW, OWNING A HOME. BUT THE FOLKS WHO ARE RENTING.

THE POST. THE PEOPLE WHO RENT DON'T GET ANY OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T THEY HAVE ELECTED NOT TO OR CAN'T BUY.

A WHOLE. GOOD.

SO. SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO OWN PROPERTY IN THE CITY AND IT IS THEIR HOMESTEAD.

YEAH. AND THE OVER 65 ONLY IS IS ONLY FOR THE PROPERTY THAT IS YOUR HOMESTEAD.

IF YOU JUST HAVE A PIECE OF RENTAL PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T AFFECT.

YOUR AGE DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR AGE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO HAS ANYBODY BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN AUSTIN? YES. OKAY.

YES. BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.

THE HOUSE VERSION IS TO ALLOW AN EXEMPTION UP TO $100,000 PER HOME.

SOMETHING OF THAT STINT, YOU WOULDN'T START PAYING TAXES UNTIL THE FIRST 100,000.

THAT'S YES.

YEAH. YEAH.

IT WOULD EXEMPT YOU FROM THE FIRST.

IS IT ACROSS THE BOARD OR IS THAT JUST IN SCHOOL? THAT WOULD BE ON THE I BELIEVE IT IS ON THE.

ONLY THE SCHOOL PORTION.

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IT WAS INTERESTING I.

WHATEVER IT IS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S.

YEAH. SO I'M SAYING IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW EXACTLY AND JUST I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE AND I KNOW WE'RE IN DIFFERENT.

WE'RE NOT. SIMPLY ME.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO BE PEARLAND, BUT I SAW THAT THEY THEY'RE HAVING A 20%.

EXEMPTION FOR HOMESTEAD.

THAT'S CRAZY. WE JUST STARTED THIS.

WE MIGHT GET THERE EVENTUALLY, BUT WE WERE VERY LATE TO THE GAME ON THIS.

THIS IS THE CITY OF ANGLETON DID NOT HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

PRIOR TO WHAT, THREE, 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO.

SO WHEN YOU FILED YOUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YOU GOT IT ON THE COUNTY PORTION.

YOU GOT ANOTHER AREA, YOU DIDN'T GET IT ON THE CITY'S PORTION.

SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO GET A 20%, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE.

SO DOES IT HAVE TO BE WHOLE NUMBERS? GOOD TO BE 2.5%.

YOUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION? I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK. I THINK I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S.

WELL, HOLD ON. PEARLAND HAS 2.5 AS THEIR LOCAL OPTION.

I THINK I THINK THEY JUST APPROVED IT.

I THINK I THOUGHT I READ THIS.

IT WAS IN THE PAPER. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I SAW THAT I WAS BLOWN AWAY.

MAYBE I WAS. MAYBE I MISREAD THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK I DID.

I WAS. I SHOULD HAVE CLIPPED IT AND SENT IT TO YOU.

I CAN SAY A LOT OF CITIES ACROSS THE STATE OF.

10%. MAYBE I MISS.

MAYBE I MISREAD IT, BUT.

OKAY. AND LOOK, I COULD HAVE MISREAD IT.

MAYBE THAT WAS A PROPOSAL.

MAYBE THAT WASN'T AGREED UPON.

BUT IT WAS.

I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

WE STARTED IT THREE YEARS AGO AND WE'VE BEEN INCHING TOWARD IT.

DOING THAT. I MEAN, ANY RELIEF WE CAN GIVE IS SOME THING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I'LL THROW OUT THERE. WE JUST GO UP A NOTCH WHENEVER ONE OF THEM JUST.

BUT YOU WANT TO. MORE, MORE, AT LEAST.

AT LEAST ONE MORE PERCENT ON HOMESTEAD.

ANOTHER FIVE ON OVER 65 AND ANOTHER FIVE ON DISABLED.

AT 3632.

I MEAN, THAT COMES OUT TO ROUGHLY $75,000 IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS, OVERALL SCHEME.

IT'S REALLY NOT.

I THINK IT WOULD CERTAINLY GO TO A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH.

OBVIOUSLY, I UNDERSTAND MAYOR WRIGHT'S POSITION ON THE NO NEW NET REVENUE.

IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL NUMBERS ARE BECAUSE THAT.

TAX RATE DROP IS ASTRONOMICAL.

PROPOSED. IT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW MUCH THE PROPERTY.

I KNOW, BUT WE'VE NEVER KNOW.

WE HAD SOME BIG I THINK WE VOTED ON ALL OF US ON HERE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER ROBERTS, WHO'S JUST JOINED US, HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE BIGGEST DROPS. AND IT WAS LIKE.

$0.03. WE'RE TALKING 15.

THAT'S A. ENORMOUS CHANGE.

MAY BE. WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS I UNDERSTAND WHAT NO NEW REVENUE MEANS AND YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY VERSUS EFFECTIVE TAX RATE.

IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO GO TO A NO NEW REVENUE RATE, JUST BEING HONEST TO COME DOWN DOWN THAT PIE PERCENTAGE.

BUT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO KEEP IT WHERE WE ARE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T STILL DROP IT.

SO. YEAH, WELL.

DON'T WORRY. THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

YES, WE DO. BUT WE DO HAVE TO TAKE ACTION PRETTY QUICK ON THIS.

SO. SO.

PHIL, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THAT 3.5% INCREASE INCREASE WAS? THE STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO INCREASE ABOVE OUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE BY 3.5%.

ANYTHING ABOVE THAT? AND WE'RE SUBJECT TO VOTER APPROVAL.

OKAY. SO IF YOU TOOK THE THE PROPOSED NO NEW RATE IS 0.46.

AND ADD THE 0.0163822.

THAT WOULD GET YOU YOUR 3.5 ABOVE THE RIM.

OKAY. OKAY.

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I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY.

IT WOULD STILL BE. IT'LL BE A PRETTY GOOD DROP.

OH, YEAH, FOR SURE.

BUT ANYWAY.

COUNCIL. DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES, I MAKE A MOTION TO.

INCREASE THE LOCAL EXEMPTION FOR HOMESTEAD TO 3%.

INCREASE THE.

EXEMPTED VALUE FOR OVER 65.

EXEMPTION TO 55,000.

BASICALLY A 10% INCREASE IN THE SAME FOR EXEMPTED VALUES FOR LOCAL DISABLED PERSONS.

AGAIN, ABOUT 55,000, WHICH SHOULD BE ABOUT A 10% INCREASE.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION BY COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNT COUNCILMAN BOOTH TO ADOPT THE RATES AS PRESENTED OR AS MOTIONED.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU, PHIL. I'VE NUMBER 16 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON IMPROVING MOBILE TOWN HALL MEETINGS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ENGAGE AND

[16. Discussion and possible action on approving mobile town hall meetings for City Council to engage and assess the needs in different areas of the community.]

ASSESS THE NEEDS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY.

WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND START IT? SO YOU ALL ASKED FOR ME TO BRING THIS FORWARD? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

WE JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW YOU WANT TO EXECUTE IT.

THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S YOU, JOHN, OR THE SPOKESMAN.

BUT GET WITH MICHELLE.

SHE GOES TO A POTENTIAL FORUM AT WHATEVER LOCATION OR LOCATIONS YOU ALL DECIDE WHENEVER YOU WANT.

SO I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU ALL PICK A PLACE OR TIME OR AND MAYBE YOU DO IT MAYBE ON THE MONTH QUARTERLY SOMETHING.

EVERYONE'S INPUT AND.

THANKS. I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO IT EVERY MONTH, BUT MAYBE ONCE A AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR WOULD BE NICE.

MICHELLE WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE WE MIGHT PUT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HOST CITY COUNCIL IN YOUR AREA ON THIS DATE AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET, YOU KNOW, TEN OF YOUR CLOSEST NEIGHBORS? I DON'T KNOW. BUT SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE GETTING OUT AND SEEING THE ISSUES IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS FIRSTHAND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I SEE IT ALL THE TIME EACH TIME I'VE WALKED THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LAYING EYES ON SOMETHING, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WE CAN FIX THAT.

THAT'S NOT HARD.