* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SAY IT'S 8:00 AM [00:00:01] ARE WE READY? [DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER] OKAY. 8:00 AM THIS BUDGET WORKSHOP WILL START. UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE ARE MISSING, UH, COUNCILMAN GORA AND COUNCIL MAYOR PROTON TOWNSEND. UM, I GUESS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, CHRIS. WHO'S THAT? WHO AM I TURNING IT OVER TO? UH, YOU'RE TURN IT OVER TO PHIL. PHIL, HOW'S IT GOING? GOOD MORNING. GOOD [1. Discussion and review of the Fiscal Year 2023-2024 Budget.] MORNING. THANK JOHN FOR GIVING UP YOUR SATURDAY. SO WE CAN START OUR BUDGET PROCESS. UH, YEAH. SPEAKING TO A MIC OR SOMETHING OR, NONE OF US HAVE MICS. WELL, WE'VE GOT AREA MICS. YOU GOT? YEAH. OH, OKAY. YOU DO. I SEE 'EM NOW. AND THEN JASON, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HER IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM? YES, SIR. IT'S THE BOXES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS THIS MORNING IS I'M GONNA GO OVER SOME FACTORS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MONTHS AGO. I THINKS THE INFLUENCE, THE BUDGET, AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COLLEEN AND SHE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME JUST SALARIES AND BENEFITS. JUST BIG OVERALL, UH, REVIEW. AND THEN WE'LL START WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND THERE'S DRINKS AND SNACKS IN THERE. SO WE'LL TRY AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING LOCK US ON AND BRING IN LUNCH. SO WE'LL TRY TO KEEP YOU FED AND HAPPY UNTIL YOU GET READY TO GO. GREAT. SO FIRST THING WE NEED, I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT IS INTEREST RATES. YOU KNOW, INTEREST RATES HAVE CLIMBED DRAMATICALLY SINCE 2020. THEY WENT UP AGAIN IN MAY TO A RANGE OF FIVE TO FIVE AND A QUARTER PERCENT AT THE FED RATE, WHICH MEANS THAT'S THE RATE THAT THE BANK, THE FED CHARGES BANKS TO BORROW MONEY. SO CONSUMERS INTEREST RATES HAVE GONE UP. OUR INTEREST RATE HAS GONE UP IF WE HAVE TO BORROW MONEY. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE INTEREST REVENUE WE'RE EARNING ON OUR MONEY HASN'T KEPT UP WITH THIS RATE, BUT IT IS GOING UP SOME INFLATION RATE PEAKED, UH, LAST FALL OR LAST SUMMER. AND AS OF MAY, INFLATION WAS AT 4%. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S BETTER THAN 6%, BUT IT'S STILL AFFECTING OUR COST IN EVERYTHING WE DO. YOU KNOW, THE COST OF OUR SUPPLIES HAS GONE UP DRAMATICALLY. FUEL COST HAVE RISEN, HAS RISEN. AND SO WE NEED TO, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. PROPERTY TAXES. WE HAVE THREE RATES THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS THE RATE THAT WILL GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX AS WE COLLECTED IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS, THE RATE IS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE PLUS THREE AND A HALF PERCENT. IF WE GO ABOVE THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOTER. WE HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE VOTERS. THE DOMINI DE MINIMI RATE IS THE RATE THAT WILL GENERATE AN EXTRA $500,000. WE CAN ADOPT THE DE MINIMUS RATE WITHOUT HAVING AN ELECTION BECAUSE OF THE SIZE CITY. THAT'S ONE EXCEPTION THAT THEY MADE FOR SMALL CITIES, IS WE COULD, UH, ADOPT THIS DE MINIMIS RATE BILL. WHEN YOU SAY AN EXTRA 5,000, THAT'S EXTRA 5,000 OVER WHAT? THE 500,000 IS OVER THE NONU REVENUE RATE. OKAY. OUR SALES TAX REVENUE IS CONTINUING, CONTINUING TO BE STRONG. THIS CHART SHOWS THE ROLLING 12 MONTH AVERAGE, UH, OF THE CHANGE IN OUR SALES TAX. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR END, WE'RE STILL NINE, OUR SALES TAX IS STILL, 9% IS STAYING, THE CHANGE IN IT IS STILL 9.1% ABOVE LAST YEAR. SO CAN YOU GIVE US A, WE CAN'T SEE THE, THE BOTTOM, THE DATE. SO CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE FAR LEFT DATE IS? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? TWO YEAR? WHAT'S THE RANGE ON THE BOTTOM SCALE DOWN THERE? THE RANGE IS FROM 2019. OKAY. TO JUNE OF 2023. OKAY. OKAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR, [00:05:01] YOU KNOW, THE SALES TAX HAS DONE PRETTY WELL CONSIDERING WHERE WE'RE AT. YOU KNOW, AND WITH INFLATION, OUR SALES TAX IS GONNA BE UP BECAUSE THINGS COST MORE. MM-HMM. , WE, OUR SALES TAX REVENUE IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE COST. WELL, WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING SEEING THAT WOULD BE THE POINT AT WHICH THE REVENUE STARTED COMING IN FROM ONLINE SALES. CAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A BIG PICK UP FOR US. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AT THAT LOW POINT OR IF IT'S OVER TO THE RIGHT. I WANNA SAY IT WAS DURING 2020 WHEN WE SAW THAT. RIGHT. AND SO I WONDER IF IT'D BE KIND OF NICE TO PUT A MARKER OF WHEN THAT HAPPENED. OKAY. I CAN DO THAT. SURE. SO THAT'S THE ONE VARIABLE THAT WE CAN PLAY WITH RIGHT. IN, IN THIS WHOLE BUDGET DISCUSSION. CORRECT. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAME IN PRETTY CONSERVATIVE ON THE SALES TAX RATE AND WE USED THAT FOR A B L C ALSO. BUT IF YOU ALL THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE GOOD AND IMPROVING, OR AGAIN, THE COST IS GOING UP, SO WE'RE GONNA GET MORE SALES TAX, THEN WE CAN ADJUST THAT, WHICH WILL POSITIVELY IMPACT OUR BUDGET. THEN IN THE BUDGET YOU, UH, PRESENTED Y'ALL, THERE'S SOME KEY ASSUMPTIONS. FIRST THING IS THE PROPERTY TAX RATE WAS CALCULATED AT THE DI MINIMIS RATE. IF WE HAD NOT, IF WE HAD JUST GONE WITH NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THERE WAS A SHORTFALL OF AROUND $600,000. THE, SO WE USED THE DI MINIMIS RATES AND PLUS WE INCREASE THE TRANSFER FROM THE WATER FUND TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO, SO LET ME, LET ME, UH, AND I KNOW BILL'S GONNA GO MORE DETAILED. THE REASON WHY WE WOULD HAVE A SHORTFALL IS WE'RE COUNTING FOR, UH, HEALTH INSURANCE, PROPERTY INSURANCE, UM, COST, UH, PLUS REMEMBER WE JUST BOUGHT A NEW BUILDING AND THE INSUR, THE WIND STORM INSURANCE IS $35,000 JUST ON THAT, THAT BUILDING. SO WE'VE HAD SOME INCREASES THAT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR, UM, THAT WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH. WE CAN'T RIGHT NOW ADJUST OUR WINDSTORM INSURANCE. WE CAN'T ADJUST OUR HEALTHCARE, WE CAN'T, ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO IN THE BUDGET REVENUES, I, WE'VE INCREASED SALES TAX BY 9% ABOVE WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING THIS YEAR. WE WE'RE INCOME IN AT THIS YEAR, WHICH IF LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS CHART WE'RE, I THINK THAT'S FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE. UH, OUR HEALTH INSURANCE COST WE'RE, THEY'VE TOLD US IT COULD BE AS MUCH AS A 35% INCREASE. AND LIKE, UH, CHRIS SAID, OUR WINDSTORM, OUR PROPERTY INSURANCE HAS GOT UP $74,000 IN ONE YEAR. I MEAN 74% IN ONE YEAR PROPERTY INSURANCE. IS THAT INCLUDING WINDSTORM OR IS THAT YES. WINDSTORM A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. IT INCLUDES WINDSTORM. WHAT, WHAT, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WINDSTORM WENT UP SPECIFICALLY? WHAT KIND OF INCREASE IN RATE WAS THAT APPROXIMATELY? I CAN GET IT FOR YOU. I DON'T HAVE IT READILY, BUT I CAN GET IT FOR YOU. I MEAN, FIRE INSURANCE DIDN'T GO UP 74%. NO, SIR. THE BIG, SO THE COMBINED OF THE TWO WENT UP 74%, BUT YES, WINDSTORM WAS THE GREATER INCREASE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. OKAY. THIS SLIDE SHOWS OUR PRELIMINARY PROPERTY TAX CALCULATIONS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, OUR CURRENT M AND O RATE IS 51.70 CENTS. OUR ADJUSTED VALUE FOR 2023 IS 1.4 BILLION. AND SO THE ADJUSTED M AND O LEVY FOR THE CURRENT YEAR IS $7,394,000 AS THE LAST ESTIMATED VALUE I RECEIVED FROM THE PROPERTY OF THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WE ARE ESTIMATED VALUES IS SITTING AT 1.89 BILLION. SO THAT CALCULATES OUT TO A NO NEW REVENUE M AND O RATE OF 30.39 CENTS OR 39 CENTS PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS VALUATION. AND THAT RATE WOULD GENERATE $7,394,000. THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 40 CENTS, WHICH WOULD GENERATE $7,653,000. THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE THE, OUR TAX SUPPORTED DEBT, OUR PAYMENT TAX SUPPORTED DEBT PAYMENTS FOR THIS YEAR, OR $1.2 MILLION. SO WE HAVE TO PAY, WE HAVE TO LIVE YOU A TAX RATE OF 6 CENTS JUST TO PAY OUR DEBT, OUR BOND PAYMENTS. MM-HMM. , [00:10:01] THEREFORE, THAT GIVES US A TOTAL, UH, A VOTER APPROVAL RATE OF 46.80 CENTS THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, WE CAN USE THE DE MINIMIS RATE, WHICH WOULD GENERATE AN EXTRA 200 $500,000 ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH WOULD GIVE US A, AND THAT RATE IS 2.60 CENTS PER HUNDRED DOLLARS VALUATION, WHICH GIVES OUR DE MINIMI M AND O RATE IS 41.70 CENTS, OR A TOTAL RATE OF 48.1 12 CENTS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE USE TO CALCULATE THE REVENUES FOR THE BUDGET. I, UH, AND WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO COLLEEN TO TALK ABOUT, OH, I FORGOT TO MENTION, WE DID INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET, UH, A 5% INCREASE IN WATER AND SEWER RATES. THAT'S JUST LIKE, THIS IS LIKE YEAR THREE OF THE RATE INCREASES BASED ON THE WATER AND SEWER RATE STUDY THAT WE HAD. THAT WAS DONE A FEW YEARS AGO. AND WE HAD AN INCREASE IN OUR WATER RATES FROM BRAS OR WATER AUTHORITY, WHICH WAS, UH, ABOUT A 9% INCREASE. THOSE INCREASES ARE CALCULATED INTO THE WATER AND SEWER REVENUES. SO WE'LL GET, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN MORE DETAIL. OKAY, COLLEEN. OKAY. UM, YOU HAD COUNSEL HAD ASKED, UM, HR TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UM, A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR WAGE INCREASES FOR EMPLOYEES. UM, LOOKING AGAIN, LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR, ANYONE EARNING UNDER 40,000 A YEAR WOULD GET THEIR INCREASE. OCTOBER ONE, ANYONE EARNING OVER 40,000 WOULD GET THEIR INCREASE. APRIL ONE. SO I, UH, SET BEFORE YOU WOULD CHART. UM, AND THE TOP ONE IS BASED ON ONE THREE AND 5%. THE TOP ROW SHOWS IF WE JUST GAVE EMPLOYEES A COLA. AND THEN THE NEXT LINE IS 1 35 COMP OR COLA, MEANING DO WE WANT TO USE, CONTINUE TO USE THIS COMP STUDY, UH, COMP OR COLA, WHICHEVER IS GREATER FOR THAT EMPLOYEE. AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION IS TWO, FOUR AND 6%. AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE WAGES, TM, R, S, AND FICA. AND THIS IS OF COURSE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WAGES. UM, SO THEN, UH, YOU HAD ALSO, UM, ASKED ME TO LOOK AT, UH, COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE THREE POSITIONS THAT LOOKED, UM, UNDER MARKET. WE DID DISCUSS UNDER MARKET POSITIONS, ONE OF THEM BEING, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THE AVERAGE ENTRY LEVEL PAY FOR A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THE MARKET IS 42 5 78. AND UH, ANGLETON IS PAYING 32,407. UM, TELECOMMUNICATORS ARE UNDER MARKET. THE AVERAGE MARKET RATE IS 43 151. UH, ANGLETON IS ENTRY LEVEL PAY IS 36 6 56. AND UM, I KNOW WHEN CHIEF VALDEZ DISCUSSES HIS BUDGET, HE'LL MENTION THIS AS WELL. UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE PARKS CREW LEADERS, PARKS CREW LEADERS ON AVERAGE IN THE MARKETER ENTRY LEVEL IS 42 8. UH, ANGLETON IS PAYING 36 6. AND THOSE ARE THE THREE POSITIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS UNDER MARKET. AND YOU CAN SEE ON MY CHART, I DID GIVE YOU WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BRING THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO THAT ENTRY LEVEL MARKET RATE. WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET? WHAT'S LOADED IN RIGHT NOW? UH, NOT THE UNDER MARKET POSITION IS NOT LOADED IN. OKAY, BUT WHAT ON THE TOP, WHAT IS LOADED IN THE 1 35 OR THE 2 46? OH, I'M GONNA LET PHIL IN RESPOND TO THAT. WE DIDN'T LOAD IN EITHER OF THOSE. NO, THAT'S IN, NOTHING'S IN THERE. WE JUST LOADED WHAT OUR CURRENT SALARIES ARE. SO WITH YOUR CURRENT SALARIES, YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU NEEDED $600,000 MORE IN REVENUE ON THE TOTAL, NOT JUST FOR THE SALARIES. WE NEED THE EXTRA 600,000 TO PAY FOR THINGS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, OUR PROPERTY INSURANCES, OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. UH, WE HAD A SLIGHT INCREASE IN OUR GMS RATE. IT WAS, UH, WENT FROM 11.88% TO THE LOWER, I THINK 12.18%. UH, THAT WAS CALCULATED IN THERE. WE HAVE, WE ASKED THE DEPARTMENTS TO GIVE US A FLAT BUDGET UNLESS THEY COULD, UNLESS THEY KNEW THINGS WERE HEADING, COULD JUSTIFY AN INCREASE. FOR EXAMPLE, FUEL COSTS HAVE GONE UP. FUEL COSTS HAVEN'T GONE UP. THEY'RE FLAT YEAR OVER [00:15:01] YEAR. YOU GO LOOK AT THEM. I MEAN, I, I DO THIS EVERY DAY. SO, UH, FUEL COSTS HAVE REMAINED RELATIVELY FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR FROM JANUARY TO JANUARY IN MY WORLD. BUT NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN A SLIGHT TICK UP IN SOME AREAS, BUT IT, IT'S NOT OVER ABUNDANT. IT'S NOT OVER FIVE, 10 CENTS MORE THAN WHAT IT WAS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT DATA POINT CAME FROM. WELL, IT WAS JUST, I ASKED THE DEPARTMENTS TO SAY, TO GET, TELL ME WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEIR FUEL COSTS WERE GONNA BE BECAUSE OF THE, EVEN THE 5 CENT PER GALLON INCREASE. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THEY HAD TO CALCULATE THAT IN. I ASKED THEM TO, UH, IF THEY KNEW THAT THEIR SUPPLIES EXPENSES WERE GOING UP BECAUSE OF INCREASED CHEMICAL COSTS FOR WHATEVER, FOR LIKE THE, UH, REC CENTER OR FOR THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. THOSE INCREASES WERE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. UH, I MEAN I GUESS I NEED A BRIDGE. I NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE 600 THOUSAND'S GOING. OKAY. I WILL GET THAT FOR YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. IF, UH, WE WERE TO ADD EITHER THE 1 35 COMP COLA, GREATER COMP COLA OR THE 24 SIXTH GRADER COMP COLA PLUS, BRING UP THOSE THREE LAST POSITIONS TO AT LEAST THE FAIR MARKET STANDARD, UH, WOULD THAT STILL FIT WITHIN THE $600,000 INCREASE? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. BUT INCLUDE $600,000 INCREASE WAS, LIKE I SAID, THEY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE HIGHER INSURANCE RATES, THE HIGHER HEALTH INSURANCE RATES WERE CALCULATED IN, IN THIS BUDGET. I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL COST OF THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BECAUSE I TOOK IT BY EMPLOYEE BASED ON WHAT THEIR, UH, WHAT THEIR CURRENT COVERAGE IS. BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE PAYING AROUND $11,000 A YEAR FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. UH, SO THOSE THINGS WERE ALL ADDED IN THERE AND THAT'S WHAT CAME UP, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. 600,000. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING A BETTER BREAKDOWN FOR YOU. I WILL HAVE THAT FOR YOU BY TUESDAY. BOTH, RIGHT? THE 1 35 AND THE 2 46? YES, I CAN HAVE THAT. OKAY. SO, UM, ANNUALLY WE PAY, OVERALL WE PAY 3.8 MILLION IN HEALTH INSURANCE. WOW. THAT'S EMPLOYEE EMPLOYER COMBINED, BUT WE'RE PAYING THE MAJORITY OF THAT. UM, DID YOU HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THE 1 35 AND 2 45? OH YEAH. MM-HMM. , I, UH, THOSE ARE ON YOUR SHEET RIGHT HERE. I MEAN, I MEAN I SEE THAT. SO, BUT DOES THAT FACTORED IN OR CALCULATED INTO THE $600,000 THAT THE DE MINIMUS? NO, SIR. BRENTWOOD. SO WE WOULD NEED TO GO MORE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, PROBABLY SO. WELL, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO MORE, THEN YOU END UP GOING OUT FOR ELECTION UNLESS YOU CUT SOMETHING ELSE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THIS STUDY OR THIS COMP COLA IS NOT IN THE PRESENT BUDGET AND THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MASSAGE THE BUDGET IN OTHER PLACES IF WE WERE TO WANT TO YES. ACTUALLY ADD SALARY FOR EXAMPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ADJUST SALES TAX, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE FUTURE'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND THAT WOULD GENERATE MORE REVENUE. RIGHT NOW SALES TAX IS WHAT? NINE 9.59? SOMEWHERE MILLION. UH, WE INCREASED AT 9%, BUT CURRENTLY THIS YEAR IT'S ABOUT NINE. ABOUT 9.1 I THINK. YEAH. FINE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER, AS PHIL SAID, THE PROPERTY CASUALTY PORTION. I DID LATE, UH, THURSDAY, GET IN INFORMATION FROM TML. UM, SOME OF OUR PREMIUMS WILL GO UP THERE AS WELL. UM, ARE HOW MUCH? NOT A WHOLE LOT. LIKE 15%. UM, STILL A LOT. THAT'S A LOT. UM, [00:20:01] WE HAVE FAIRLY LOW PREMIUMS. SO THE LARGEST IS GOING TO BE, UM, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY. UM, THAT'S AT 36 6, UH, 4 62. OUR PROPERTY IS GOING UP 6% SIMPLY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'RE APPLYING THAT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL TML CLIENTS. MM-HMM. , UM, THE WIND INSURANCE OF COURSE WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY. I WAS NOT EXPECTING THE AMOUNT IT WENT UP THIS YEAR. AND THEN WHEN WE ADDED, UM, THE NEW FACILITY TO IT, THAT WAS ANOTHER $26,000. UM, AND WE HAVE YET TO GET THE QUOTE ON CYBER CRIME. OKAY. SO THAT IS THE INFORMATION I HAVE FOR YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. WHAT, LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE AS FAR AS DEDUCTIBLES ON MM-HMM. , THE NUMBERS DON'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO ME, BUT MM-HMM. , I FOUND IN, IN, IN DEALING WITH MY INSURANCE AGENT, IF I INCREASED MY DEDUCTIBLE TO A, AN AMOUNT THAT I FELT LIKE I COULD HANDLE MM-HMM. , MY RATE WENT DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. RIGHT. AND THEY DON'T JUST OFFER THAT INFORMATION UP TO YOU CUZ THEY LIKE GETTING THAT HIGH, THAT HIGH RATE IF ANY OF YOU ARE SHOPPING FOR WINDSTORM INSURANCE MM-HMM. TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO MY PROBLEM, NOT SO MUCH ON FIRE AND NOT SO MUCH ON FIRE, BUT THE WINDSTORM I FOUND TO BE, IF WE CAN AFFORD A HIGHER DEDUCTIBLE AND PUT A LITTLE SET ASIDE OVER THERE JUST AS AN YOUR SELF-INSURING MM-HMM. , WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT INSURANCE THAT RATE DOWN. UM, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AT A LATER DATE BECAUSE WE DON'T RECEIVE A WINDSTORM QUOTE MM-HMM. UNTIL JANUARY OF EVERY YEAR. WHICH KIND OF PUTS US IN A BIND WHEN WE'RE IN BUDGET TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SPEND. UM, THAT'S THE WAY THE POLICY'S BEEN WRITTEN AND IF I, I CAN TRY TO CHANGE IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'LL GO FOR THAT. OH, OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO BRING IT INTO A HURRICANE SEASON. AND THEN YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO RE UH, RE RENEW YOUR POLICY DURING A HURRICANE. SO HOW DO WE DO ON LAST YEAR'S BUDGET COMPARED TO THIS YEAR, DID WE COVER THAT EXTER EXPENSE ON WINDSTORM? WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXPENSE LAST YEAR ON WINDSTORM. IT WENT UP THIS YEAR. UM, I'M SURE WITH ALL THE, THE WEATHER CATASTROPHES ACROSS THE STATES, EVERYONE'S PAYING FOR IT. WHAT IS OUR, WHAT'S OUR NEW REVENUE FOR THE YEAR? THE NEW, THE AMOUNT OF NEW REVENUE? CAUSE WE HAVE A 600,000 SHORTFALL, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW REVENUE ON THE BOOKS THIS YEAR. COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. DID HE HAVE THAT I ALREADY GO THIS OR CAN Y'ALL SEE THAT? OKAY. NO, NO. THAT NEED MAKE IT BIGGER. IT'S ALL WASHED OUT TOO SMALL. IS THAT THE 17 MILLION? THE 18 MILLION, IS THAT FOUND IN YEAH, THAT'S ON THE FIRST PAGE OF OUR BOOK, RIGHT? YES SIR. WHAT I'M AFTER THOUGH IS THE NEW REVENUE FROM PROPERTY TAXES THIS YEAR, CUZ THIS IS JUST TOTAL REVENUES. OKAY. THE SECOND PAGE TO BOOK SHOWS THE CURRENT, UH, ESTIMATED REVENUE AND THEN THE BASE FOR FY 24 IS THE, WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING OR WHAT WE'RE AT BUDGETING. AND I CAN GIVE YOU A DIFFERENCE, BUT IN THIS EMBEDDED WITH THE DO MINIMIS RATE. YES. THAT'S PART OF THE THE WHAT? YEAH. WHAT I'M AFTER IS THE NEW REVENUE OF PROPERTY TAXES ON THE ROLLS THIS YEAR OVER LAST YEAR THAT I DON'T HAVE YET. OKAY. THAT'S THE PART THAT I NEED. OKAY. [00:25:15] IF YOU NOTICE DOWN HERE OUR INTEREST INCOME WENT UP 600,000 PER 600% BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING HIGHER INTEREST ON OUR MONEY. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, IT, WE WERE GETTING BELOW 1%, UH, WE RENEWED CDS AND AT THE END OF MAY WE GOT THOSE RENEWED THOSE FOR 4%. SO WE ARE EARNING HIGHER REVENUE, HIGHER INTEREST, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE A WHILE FOR THAT TO COME IN. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S ON MONEY THAT'S SITTING IN THE BANK? YES, SIR. THAT'S USING THE RESERVES, THE FUND BALANCES AS AN INCOME SOURCE. YES, SIR. AND IF YOU NOTICE RIGHT HERE, THERE'S 4.9% INCREASE IN TRANSFER FROM WATER FUND. LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS, THAT TRANSFER WAS DONE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. BUT BY DOING THAT, YOU'RE GONNA RAISE YOUR WATER RATE 5%. RIGHT. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? 5% PLUS THE COST OF THE WATER, WHICH WAS AN EXTRA 9%. SO WE'RE RAISING RATES TO TAKE MONEY FROM THAT FUND TO MOVE TO THE GENERAL FUND IN SOME ASPECTS. YES, SIR. WHAT ABOUT THE A B C TRANSFER TRA THAT WENT UP BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE, UH, ARTS DEPARTMENT IS FUNDED? RIGHT. SO WE DID MAKE THAT CHANGE. YES, SIR. THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT, CHRIS, THE A B C. OKAY. REMIND ME AGAIN, PHIL. THE 5% WATER AND SEWER INCREASE THAT WE PROPOSE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE MONEY THAT THE EXTRA MONEY TO BWA? NO, SIR. SO THE WATER INCREASE IS GONNA BE GREATER THAN 5%. IT'S GOING, UH, 14. IT'S GONNA BE YEAH, 5% FOR JUST OVERALL AND THEN THE WATER COST IS GONNA GO UP ALSO GO UP ANOTHER 9%. OKAY. WELL, I THINK IT'S MORE FAIR TO SAY THE TOTAL AMOUNT RATHER THAN TRUE. YOU SAID, YOU SAID WATER RATE'S GONNA GO UP 5%, JUST JUST TELL EVERYBODY IT'S GOING TO GO UP 14%. YES SIR. SEWER RATES WON'T GO UP 14%. WATER RATES WILL GO UP 14%. YES, SIR. AND THAT 9% OF THAT WE HAVE NO SAY IN. THAT'S EVERYBODY IN THE, IN THE WHOLE BRAS PORT WATER AUTHORITY DISTRICT IS GONNA GET THAT SAME INCREASE. YES, SIR. AND THAT'S THAT NEW ONE TO PAY FOR THEIR EXPANSION OR IS THIS THE LAST ONE THAT PAID FOR THEIR CHEMICAL COSTS? IT'S AN INCREASE IN THEIR O AND M COST. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE, I DON'T THINK THE NEW DEBT IS RIGHT. CALCULATED IN THERE YET. NO. SO THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP WHENEVER THEIR EXPANSION STARTS. YES MA'AM. WE'LL HAVE A NEW ONE EVERY YEAR, . SO, UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT. ALL RIGHT. I GET THE LUXURY OF GOING FIRST. PROBABLY A GOOD THING. GO AHEAD AND GET Y'ALL WORE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I GOTTA FIND YOU FIRST THOUGH. ALL RIGHT. WELL GOOD MORNING. UM, THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS SCOTT MEYER, THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, HERE FOR ANGLETON. UM, AND SO WHAT I WANT TO DO, FIRST OF ALL IS KIND OF EXPLAIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ACTUALLY BUDGETED THREE DIFFERENT WAYS. [00:30:01] UM, WE HAVE A CITY BUDGET, WE HAVE AN E S D BUDGET, AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL DONATION FUNDS. UM, THE DONATION FUNDS IS WHAT COMES OFF OF THE WATER ROLL, UM, YOUR MONTHLY BILL. AND THEN ALSO INSURANCE BILLING AS WELL THAT GOES TO THE ASSOCIATION IS IT IS BUDGETED THROUGH OUR BOARD, UM, AND AUDITED THROUGH OUR CPA. UM, SO WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE CITY AND THE E S D FUNDS. AND SO WITH THE, UH, E S D FUNDS, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY, WHAT I'M GONNA PROPOSE TO YOU TODAY IS WHAT I WILL BE GOING TO E S D TO ASK FOR. UM, E S D WON'T, WON'T APPROVE THIS UNTIL AFTER OUR BUDGET IS APPROVED. GO AHEAD. THIS IS A, BEFORE YOU USE AN ACRONYM, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR ACRONYM IS? THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT'S, WE GET USED TO SAYING ES D WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT. SO E S D IS EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT. SO THAT IS, THAT IS WHO, UM, YOUR COUNTY TAXES GOES TO YOUR E S D. AND THEN THEY, UM, DEVIATE THESE TAXES AMONG, UM, THIS MONEY AMONG ALL OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICE, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES IN THAT AREA OF THE COUNTY. SO WE BELONG TO EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT DISTRICT THREE. UM, AND SO BACK TO WHERE, TO WHERE I WAS SAYING IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU NUMBERS THAT I'M GOING TO THE E S D AND ASKING FOR. OKAY. AND SO, UM, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROVED. UM, AND SO WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT WITH ES D WE'RE CONSIDERED A CONTRACTOR WITH S D, SO E S D PAYS US FOR SERVICES. UM, SO ONCE I, ONCE WE NEGOTIATE AND AGREE ON A PRICE, UM, OF, OF THAT PAYMENT, BASICALLY, UM, THEN EVERYTHING GETS TURNED OVER TO PHIL AND PHIL TO OUTLINE THOSE ITEMS BASED ON WHAT WE ARE SAYING WE WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON. MAKE SENSE? OKAY. SO I E S D COULD CHANGE, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, IT COULD CHANGE. UM, IT COULD GO UP HOPEFULLY, UM, NEVER HAPPENS. UM, BUT HOPEFULLY STAYS THE SAME OR IT COULD GO DOWN. UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR THIS YEAR THAT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH SELL. UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AND FIGHT IT AND TRY TO ASK FOR IT AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN GET IT. SO, UM, E S D MAY GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT AS WE GET FURTHER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA CUT, WE'RE GONNA COVER CITY FIRST. UM, SO I'LL GO THROUGH AND I'LL COVER THE, THE, THE LARGE, THE BIG CHANGES AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PACKAGES. UM, SO SALARIES, YOU'LL SEE A, A HUGE INCREASE IN SALARIES. AND SO, UM, INCLUDED IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET IS A PACKAGE, UM, A DECISION PACKAGE FOR $170,000. UM, SO ALSO KEEP IN MIND WHAT I DIDN'T EXPLAIN WITH S D I TRY TO SPLIT EVERYTHING UP BETWEEN CITY AND E S D INTO THIRDS TWO, THIRD CITY, ONE 30 S D. AND THE MAIN REASON OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF OUR COVERAGE AREA AND THE AMOUNT OF CALLS WE GET. SO A THIRD OF OUR CALLS IS IN THE COUNTY, OKAY? MM-HMM. . AND SO THAT'S HOW I TRY TO SPLIT UP OUR BUDGET INTO THIRDS, TWO THIRDS AND ONE THIRD. SO YOU'LL SEE THE 170,000. AND SO WHAT IS THAT? IF Y'ALL RECALL, WE, UM, WE STARTED WORKING ON THE FIRE STATION, BUILDING THE FIRE, UH, FIXING STATION ONE OF THE LAST, UH, THREE YEARS. WELL, OUR GOAL WAS TO GET BUNK ROOMS BUILT AND GET ON THIS, THIS NEXT, UM, THE, THE NEXT STEP ON VOLUNTEER COVERAGE FOR THE, FOR THE CITY. AND SO THAT NEXT STEP FOR VOLUNTEER COVERAGE IS A PAID ONCALL PROGRAM. OKAY? SO WE CAN ACTUALLY PAY VOLUNTEERS TO BE ON CALL. CURRENTLY, VOLUNTEERS ARE NOT ON CALL. THEY RUN OFF OF A PAGER. THEY'RE PAGED OUT 24 7. SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE AVAILABLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. OKAY? UM, WE HAVE 42 VOL, 42 TOTAL MEMBERS RIGHT NOW. UM, SO THE PAID STAFF WORKS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND THEY WORK A SPLIT SCHEDULE. THEY WORK 10 HOUR DAYS, OKAY? SO AFTER FOUR 30, THE PAID STAFF IS, THE PAID FIREFIGHTERS ARE GONE, AND THEN IT'S ALL VOLUNTEER. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING, PUTTING A PAID ON CALL CREW THAT IS, THAT IS STAFF THROUGH VOLUNTEERS AT THE STATION ON NIGHTS AND ON WEEKENDS. OKAY? SO 12 HOURS A DAY ON NIGHTS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, OR MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 24 HOURS, FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. MAKE SENSE? SO WHAT THIS PROGRAM'S [00:35:01] GONNA COST IS GONNA COST ABOUT $250,000 TO DO THIS. THIS PAYS EACH MAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER SHIFT, UM, A FOUR MAN CREW. UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY STAY AT THE STATION, SLEEP AT THE STATION, AND RESPOND TO CALLS. SO, UM, HOW DO WE DO THIS? AND STILL CAN SIT AND STILL BE CONSIDERED VOLUNTEERS? WELL, THE STATE AND THE STATE HAS REALLY BEEN WORKING TO TRY TO HELP, UM, WITH INCENTIVES AND THINGS FOR VOLUNTEERS. CAUSE VOLUNTEERISM IS GOING, GOING DOWN EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST FIRE DEPARTMENTS, IT'S NOT EMS, IT'S EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING. EVERY, EVERYBODY THAT RUNS OFF OF VOLUNTEERS, IT'S HARD TO GET VOLUNTEERS. SO FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WERE STILL, THE FIRE SERVICE IS STILL COVERED PREDOMINANTLY BY VOLUNTEERS. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET THESE PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO VOLUNTEER? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THEY, THEY GOT WITH, YOU KNOW, TEXAS LABOR LAWS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO PAY A VOLUNTEER, BUT WE CAN ONLY PAY A VOLUNTEER A CERTAIN AMOUNT. UM, AND SO FOR INSTANCE, THIS, OUR AMOUNT, UH, WE'RE GONNA STOP PAYING ONCE THAT VOLUNTEER REACHES $7,800 IN A YEAR, YOU CAN'T MAKE MORE THAN $7,800 IN A YEAR. SO, UM, AND THEN IF, IF IT DOES IT, IT KICKS US OUT OF GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE US OUT OF, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT DECISION PACKAGE OF 170,000. AND THEN ONCE WE GET OVER TO E S D, THERE'S ANOTHER 80,000 IN E S D AS WELL FOR E S D TO PICK UP THE THIRD OF THAT. OKAY? OF THAT 250, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE GOT THE STATION UP TO PAR. WE'VE GOT THE BUNK ROOMS BUILT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. BUNK ROOMS ARE READY, EVERYTHING'S THERE. UM, GOT A LITTLE BIT OF FURNITURE TO BUY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT MINIMAL. UH, WE HAD SOME STUFF DONATED ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT'S REALLY GOING TO ELIMINATE A LOT OF THAT. BUT, UM, WE'RE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER IF COUNSEL'S READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? WHERE IS THAT? UM, ON-CALL PAY AT? SO IT IS, IT IS IN THE SALARIES. IT IS IN THE SALARIES, YES, SIR. SO IF YOU SEE THE, I SAW IT. IF YOU SEE THE PACKAGE, THE ONE 70. YES, SIR. AND SO IN THE PACKAGE, IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT I BASICALLY JUST TOLD Y'ALL. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE CERTIFICATION COSTS? THAT'S GOING UP 10,000. SO CERTIFICATION COST IS ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A TRUE NUMBER. UM, AND, AND, AND HERE'S WHY I SAW THAT. UM, SO WHENEVER, WHENEVER WE WERE GOING IN AND, AND, UM, UPDATING THE, UH, SALARIES, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT WAS PROJECTED AND UPDATED, UM, I HAD 8,400 IN THERE. UM, AND SO IT WAS UPDATED FOR 9,600 BASED ON THE CERTIFICATION PAGE. BUT THAT 8,400 WASN'T TAKEN OUT, TAKEN OUT. SO 9,600 IS, IS YOUR, SHOULD BE YOUR REAL NUMBER. OKAY? AND THAT CERTIFICATION, UM, THAT CERTIFICATION, Y'ALL UNDERSTAND, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT IS, IT IS AN INCENTIVE TO GET OUR PAID STAFF, UM, UP TO HIGHER LEVELS OF TRAINING. SO THEY GET A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY FOR EACH TYPE OF TRAINING THEY GO TO. OKAY? UM, MOVING ON DOWN, LET'S SEE IF YOU SEE THE RETIREMENT AND PENSION. SO 1 55 AND ONE 60 MM-HMM. 1 55 IS YOUR PAID STAFF RETIREMENT. UH, ONE 60 IS THE VOLUNTEER PENSION. OKAY? AND SO, UM, IF Y'ALL RECALL, WE, WE AGREED THAT WE WERE GONNA GO UP 5% EVERY YEAR UNTIL WE HIT THAT 200, UH, DOLLARS A MONTH. MARK, UM, SORRY TERRY, I'LL EXPLAIN THE VOLUNTEER PENSION TO YOU. , THE VOLUNTEER PENSION IS A VOLUNTEER CAN, THE CITY PUTS YOU IN X AMOUNT OF MONEY PER MONTH PER VOLUNTEER. IF THAT VOLUNTEER, UM, HITS 25% OF THE CALLS, AND, UM, 40% OF THE MA MEETINGS GREATER THAN 80 HOURS OF TRAINING EVERY YEAR, THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR PENSION THAT YEAR AFTER 15 YEARS OF QUALIFIED SERVICE. UM, THEY CAN DRAW ON THAT PENSION ONCE THEY HIT 55. OKAY? OKAY. UM, FOR MANY YEARS WE WERE AT $35, UH, WHICH WAS THE MINIMUM. UH, WE MOVED IT TO $50. AND THEN ABOUT, UH, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, WE WENT TO A HUNDRED, THEN WE WENT TO 150, AND THEN WE JUST STARTED A 5% INCREASE, UH, TO TRY TO GET US TO THAT $200 MARK, WHICH IS WHAT NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE DOING. UM, AND AT $200 AT 55 WITH 15 YEARS OF SERVICE, A VOLUNTEER CAN BRING IN [00:40:01] ABOUT 13, $1,400 A MONTH IN RETIREMENT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A GREAT INCENTIVE. THE YOUNG GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT IT, BUT US OLDER GUYS ARE, ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT IT. SO . UM, SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE FOR 78, 1 40. THAT PUTS US AT ABOUT $172 A MONTH FOR 38 MEMBERS RIGHT NOW. UM, SO LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UM, WE CALCULATED ON 38 MEMBERS, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS 38 MEMBERS THAT WE PAY FOR IT. IT GOES ON WHO'S BASICALLY A FULL MEMBER WHO'S GETTING THAT SERVICE, ALL OF THAT. SO IT MAY BE LESS. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THAT REMAINING BALANCE AND WE SPLIT IT UP BETWEEN THE MEMBERS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE. AND SO THEY, THEY MAY BE CLOSER TO THAT $200 A MONTH IF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, LET'S SEE. MOVING ON DOWN. ALL RIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS IN THE, UH, SALARIES AND INSURANCE? ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO PERSONNEL SERVICES. SO, SO APPAREL, YOU'LL SEE APPAREL WENT UP A LITTLE BIT. AND, AND THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS WE, WE'VE, OUR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION COMMITTEES, THEY'RE REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT 42 MEMBERS IN THIS YEAR, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GREAT IF, IF, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, WE WERE DOWN TO 31 OR 32 MEMBERS WHEN I TOOK OVER, AND WE ALWAYS , RIGHT? UM, BUT 42 MEMBERS IS GREAT. UM, THAT APPAREL THAT PUTS 'EM IN UNIFORMS, FAST, B UNIFORMS, WE BUY THEIR, THEIR, THEIR SHIRT, THEIR T-SHIRT, THEIR PANTS. UM, WE DON'T BUY THEIR BOOTS. THEY, THEY, THEY FURNISH THEIR OWN BOOTS. UM, BUT IT FURNISHES BALL CAPS, UM, BADGES, ACCOMMODATION PINS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO WITH THE COST OF THAT GOING UP, UH, PLUS HOW MANY MEMBERS WE HAVE NOW, UH, THAT'S, THAT GOES UP A LITTLE BIT. UH, NO CHANGE IN GENERAL SUPPLIES, UH, JUST A, A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN THE OFFICE SUPPLIES, JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS. UM, NO CHANGE OF VEHICLE SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT SUPPLIES, UM, WENT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST $5,000. ANY QUESTIONS ON PERSONNEL? ALL RIGHT, SO TOTAL SUPPLIES. UM, SO REPAIR, MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES. SO REPAIR, MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BASE, THE BASE IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN. UM, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE BUDGETED IN A REPAIR ON OUR LADDER. UH, SO WE HAD TO, TO DO AN OVERHAUL ON THE, ON THE TOWER. AND SO THAT WAS ABOUT $15,000. AND SO THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. SO, SO OUR BUDGET ACTUALLY, OUR, OUR NUMBER ACTUALLY WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'VE GOT A $32,000 DECISION PACKAGE IN THERE. UM, A $32,000 DECISION PACKAGE. THERE'S ALSO, UH, $10,000, UM, I'M SORRY, WITH E S D. AND THAT IS BASICALLY A REFURB OF OUR RESCUE TRUCK. OKAY? AND SO, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THE, THE, UM, THE TRUCKS THAT WE WERE WANTING TO REPLACE OVER CERTAIN YEARS, THE RESCUE TRUCK WAS, WAS LIKE NUMBER THREE ON THE LIST WITHIN FIVE TO SIX YEARS. UM, HOWEVER, THE RESCUE TRUCK COSTS US NOTHING, KNOCK ON WOOD. UH, WE HAVE NO MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH THAT RESCUE TRUCK WHATSOEVER. IT DOESN'T HAVE A PUMP, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ELECTRONICS, IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THIS STUFF THAT THE ENGINES HAVE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE MAINTENANCE COST. THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR US TO REPLACE THIS TRUCK OTHER THAN WE WANT A NEW ONE, RIGHT? UM, SO REFURBING, THIS TRUCK PUT A NEW PAINT JOB ON IT. THE PAINT'S FADED. IT'S CHIPPING, IT'S 100% COSMETIC, IS WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS MONEY IS. JOHN, YOU ALWAYS ASK THE QUESTIONS LIKE, CAN YOU CUT? IF WE COULD CUT, THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IN MY, IN MY SPREADSHEET AS A CAN CUT. WE HAVE TO CUT. THIS IS 100% COSMETIC IS WHAT THIS IS. BUT IT KEEPS US FROM PURCHASING ANOTHER, ANOTHER TRUCK AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT JUST LOOKS BAD AS WELL. ALL RIGHT? YOU CAN'T BUFF IT OUT OR , IS IT USING THE SD I'LL TELL YOU, I'LL TELL YOU. UM, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER, OUR TANKER. OUR TANKER IS THE EXACT SAME CAB AS THE RESCUE TRUCK. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT CUZ THE HOOD IS, IS WORSE CAUSE THAT'S SITTING BY THE WINDOWS AND THE SUN JUST FADES IT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT TAKING THE HOOD OFF THE TANKER, PUTTING IT ON THE, ON THE RESCUE TRUCK, CAUSE IT LOOKS BETTER. AND I HAVE NOT LET HIM DO THAT. . [00:45:02] ALL RIGHT. UM, PAIRING MAINTENANCE ON EQUIPMENT WENT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, UH, INFLATION COSTS, UM, REPAIR MAINTENANCE ON BUILDINGS. IF YOU LOOK AT REPAIR MAINTENANCE ON BUILDINGS, IT WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. AND, UM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS YEAR ON THE BUILDING. UM, SO, LIKE I SAID, STATION ONE, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY INTO THAT STATION FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. IT'S STARTING TO LOOK PRETTY GOOD. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON IT. UH, SO THIS YEAR WE DID THE FLOORS DOWNSTAIRS, THE REPAINTING DOWNSTAIRS. UM, THOSE ESTIMATES CAME BACK. WE ACTUALLY BUDGETED FOR THE FLOORS DOWN AND UPSTAIRS, BUT THE ESTIMATES CAME BACK AND IT WAS, IT WAS TWICE WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR. UM, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS CRAZY. AND SO, UM, IN THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THE UPSTAIRS, UM, FLOORS IN AND REPAINTED AS WELL. UM, SO YOU'LL SEE, UH, JUST SOME THINGS IN THERE. I TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE, THE BUNK ROOMS, A LITTLE BIT OF FURNITURE IN THE BUNK ROOMS, UM, PAINTING UPSTAIRS, UM, PAINTING THE UPSTAIRS AND THE GARAGE DOORS, IT'S LIKE $13,000. UM, THE INTERIOR FLOORS JUST FOR UPSTAIRS IS $20,000 JUST FOR THE, JUST FOR CERAMIC, OR NOT CERAMIC, BUT THE, UM, WOOD TILES, FAKE WOOD TILES. MM-HMM. , UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE, $20,000. UM, AND THEN STATION TWO OVER ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO STATION TWO, THOSE GUYS, THEY, THEY'RE PARKING IN THE, IT'S, IT IS CHE BUT IT'S COVERED WITH GRASS, RIGHT? SO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARKING IN THE GRASS OVER THERE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GET OUT TO MAKE THEIR FIRE CALLS. UM, SO I PUT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN HERE TO TRY TO BUILD US A PAD, UM, EITHER CONCRETE, CUSS CONCRETE, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS NICE OVER TO THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THAT STATION AS WELL, UM, TO TRY TO HELP THOSE GUYS OUT. AND THEN JUST MISCELLANEOUS REPAIRING. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE? ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING DOWN, UM, TELEPHONES. TELEPHONES WENT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST TELEPHONES, THAT'S OUR TELEPHONE AND INTERNET. UM, AND THEN IF YOU RECALL, LAST YEAR WE BUDGETED, UM, FOR, FOR THIS YEAR TO PUT THE, UH, FINISH OUT PUTTING THE COMPUTERS AND ALL THE TRUCKS. SO ALL THE TRUCKS NOW HAVE LAPTOPS. AND SO THAT COST GOES UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, FOR THE SERVICE FOR ALL OF THOSE LAPTOPS. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. SO WE'LL SEE THE RISE AND COST FOR, UM, INTERNET THERE. UTILITIES, UTILITIES STAY ABOUT THE SAME. FUEL EXPENSE, UM, WENT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. AND, UM, THAT'S JUST MAINLY JUST DUE TO SEE, THAT'S JUST DUE TO WHAT WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING WHEN I'M PROJECTED TO SPEND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, BUT ALSO THE INCREASED NUMBER OF CALLS. WE'RE RUNNING MORE CALLS THAN WE'VE, WE'VE EVER, EVER RAN. UM, AND, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA BREAK, WE'RE GONNA BREAK LAST YEAR'S RECORD THIS YEAR. SO DUES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS WENT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. AND THAT IS OUR, UM, OUR CAD SERVICE. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE'VE GOT MORE MEMBERS. SO WE HAVE THE, UH, SUBSCRIPTION FOR THE MOBILE PAGING ON THE PHONES, WHICH HAS THE MAPPING AND, AND THE, UM, FIRE HYDRANTS AND ALL THAT STUFF ON THEIR PHONES. AND, UM, THEY CAN, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THE SOFTWARE WE BOUGHT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY CAN, THEY CAN SET AT THE STATION AND SEE WHO'S COMING TO THE STATION. MM-HMM. . SO THE GUYS CAN ACTUALLY GO, THEY'LL WAIT IN THAT FIRE TRUCK BEFORE THEY TAKE OFF. IF THERE'S PEOPLE COMING, WE'VE GOT SCREENS UP AT THE STATION, THEY ACTUALLY SEE PEOPLE COMING TO THE STATION ANYWAY, WE PAY PER MEMBER FOR THAT SERVICE. AND SO WE'VE GOT MORE MEMBERS WE HAVE TO PAY. WE HAD, UH, UH, THEY WENT UP ABOUT $600 FOR THE NEXT STEP. UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING. TRAVEL AND TRAINING STAYED THE SAME. UH, AND THE REASON, THE REASON THAT IS, IS, SO TRAINING IS TRAINING HAS WENT UP TREMENDOUSLY. UM, TEAKS IS CHARGING, THEY'RE CHARGING CRAZY MONEY TO SEND FIREFIGHTERS TO TEAKS NOW. UH, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, OF TRAINING CERTIFICATIONS IN OUR DEPARTMENT. SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF IN-HOUSE TRAINING. UM, WE'RE HOSTING TRAINING FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. UM, SO WE'RE HOSTING AN OUR DEPARTMENT WITH SOME OF THEIR TRAINERS. UH, AND THEN ALSO THE CITY PAYS FOR THE CLASSES, THE ROOMS AND THE PER DIEM WE PAY OFF OF DONATION FUNDS. SO WE HELP, WE HELP SUBSIDIZE, WE HELP, UM, ELIMINATE [00:50:01] THAT BURDEN ON THE CITY IN THE TRAVELING TRAINING. SO WE PAY FOR THE ROOMS AND, AND THE, UH, MEALS FOR THE GUYS WITH DONATION FUNDS. ALSO TEXAS FORESTRY SERVICE. UH, WE GET GRANTS ON CERTAIN CLASSES TO PAY THE CITY BACK WITH THOSE FUNDS, RIGHT? SO, UM, IT'S ABOUT SEVEN, I THINK IT ENDS UP ABOUT $7,500 IN GRANTS IS WHAT WE CAN GET EVERY YEAR TO PAY THE CITY BACK. UM, SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE USUALLY, USUALLY THAT THAT NUMBER OFFSETS ITSELF WITH THE GRANTS THAT WE GET BACK. UM, CONTRACT LABOR. CONTRACT LABOR IS THE, IT, IT STAYS THE SAME. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU RECALL, CONTRACT LABOR IS WHERE WE PAID THE, UH, FOR THE ISO STUDY LAST YEAR, UH, THE PRELIMINARY ISO STUDY. AND SO I LEFT THAT. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S, IT'S A THREE YEAR, IT'S A THREE PROCESS THING. THE NEXT, THE NEXT STEP IS $18,000 TO ACTUALLY FOR THEM TO COME IN, BUILD EVERYTHING FOR US, SCHEDULE OUR ISO AUDIT AND, AND GO THROUGH THAT, THAT PROCESS. UM, WE DID NOT DO THAT THIS YEAR AND IT WAS BASED OFF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE AUDITOR THAT WE COULD ONLY MOVE ONE POINT IN OUR ISO CREDIT WITHOUT A FIRE MARSHAL. SO IF WE, IF WE HAVE A FULL TIME DEDICATED FIRE MARSHAL, WE COULD MOVE MORE THAN ONE POINT MOVING ONE POINT, UM, PER THE REPORT HELPS OUT THE BUSINESSES MORE THAN IT HELPS OUT THE CITIZENS ON INSURANCE. MOVING TWO POINTS, YOUR CITIZENS GET A HIGHER SAVINGS THAN THE BUSINESSES DO. UM, SO BASED ON THAT REPORT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP WE NEED TO LOOK AT FULL-TIME FIRE MARSHAL AND THEN MAYBE HIT THAT ISO AND, AND RE GET OUR ISO SO WE CAN GET OUR TWO POINT DROP. UM, I THINK IT'S MONEY BETTER SPENT. SO I LEFT THE, UH, I LEFT THAT 18,000 IN THERE JUST IN CASE WE WANT HIM TO CONTINUE THAT STUDY NEXT YEAR. I'M, IT JUST BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, US AND, AND, AND, AND Y'ALL WILL HAVE TO, TO DECIDE. WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO THAT NEXT STEP. UM, AND THEN BASICALLY WHAT IS, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR US HIRING FIRE MARSHAL IN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? UM, SO THEN YOU'LL SEE, UH, FURTHER DOWN YOUR VEHICLE INSURANCE BILLING INSURANCE THAT'S BASED ON, UH, LAST YEAR'S SPENDING AND THEN ALSO, UM, ESTIMATES, UM, THAT COLLEEN HAS, HAS PROVIDED, UM, LEASE PAYMENTS. SO YOU'LL SEE A DECISION PACKAGE, UM, ON, ON 5 35. SO LAST YEAR OR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THE, UM, A FEW OF OUR VEHICLES ON THE CITY LEASE PROGRAM. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE THREE CHEAP VEHICLES AND THE, AND THE ONE UTILITY VEHICLE THAT, THAT, UM, DAN HUNTER DRIVES. AND SO, UM, LAST YEAR WAS THE YEAR WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TRY AND DO IT. UM, BUT IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE, IT DIDN'T MAKE THE FULL BUDGET, DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT. SO, UM, IT'S BACK ON THERE THIS YEAR. AND THE, UH, REASONING IS THE LEASE PROVIDER TELLS US BASICALLY WHEN'S THE GOOD TIME TO GET INTO THIS PROGRAM. CUZ OUR VEHICLES WERE STILL FAIRLY NEW AND SO WE WAITED, WE DIDN'T JUMP IN WITH WHEN THE CITY JUMPED IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T WORTH IT FOR US. WE GET OUR OPTIMUM MONEY NOW, UM, TO DO IT. UM, THIS CAN BE CUT BACK AS WELL. IT'S UH, IT'S $32,000 ON THE CITY SIDE AND I'VE ALSO GOT IT, UH, A THIRD OF IT ON THE E S D SIDE AS WELL. UM, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT CUTTING IT BACK, I WOULD LOOK AT POSSIBLY DOING JUST THE ASSISTANT CHIEF VEHICLES. THAT'S TWO VEHICLES VERSUS ALL FOUR. THE REASON WHY THOSE ASSISTANT CHIEFS, THEY RUN ALMOST EVERY CALL THEIR, THEIR INFIELD OPERATIONS. SO THEIR VEHICLES HAVE WAY MORE MILES ON 'EM, HARD MILES, WAY MORE MILES THAN MINE DOES. UM, MINE'S TWO YEARS NEWER THAN THEIRS IS, AND THEN THE UTILITY VEHICLE, IT PUTS AROUND TOWN BETWEEN STATIONS, MOWING GRASS AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT? UM, SO IF, IF WE NEEDED TO CUT, LOOK, LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS. LOOK AT THE ASSISTANT CHIEF VEHICLES VERSUS THE OTHER TWO. UM, AND SO IT'S ABOUT HALF THE COST. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING REPLACING SOME VEHICLES, SOME EXISTING VEHICLES WITH LEASE VEHICLES. THAT'S CORRECT. SO, SO GETTING, SO YEAH, BASICALLY YOU TURN IT, TURN IT INTO THE LEASE PROGRAM, THE SALES FORCE, PUT IT IN THAT PROGRAM, THEN WE END UP IN LEASE VEHICLES. YEAH. UM, LOOKING AT, UH, I'LL TELL YOU THE ACTUAL COST, UH, [00:55:08] THERE'S NO REVENUE FOR IT, RIGHT? NO. DOES AN ENTERPRISE USUALLY SELL THE TRUCKS BACK? YEAH, WELL THEY DO. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN YOUR BUDGET THOUGH. YOU DON'T? NO, ALL I HAVE IN THE BUDGET IS WHAT IS WHAT IT'S GONNA COST RELEASE ONLY RELEASE, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO YEAR ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE A SAVINGS, RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T KNOW. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT IT IS. AND JUST LIKE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, NOT ENTERPRISE'S FAULT WITH THE, ALL THE WENT FROM CHEVYS TO RAMS BECAUSE NOTHING WAS AVAILABLE AND WAITED TWO YEARS, BUT THEY GAVE US A CHECK ANYWAYS, SO IT'S KIND OF A, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY. IT'S JUST A, IT'S A CRAPSHOOT ON, WE CAN'T SAY WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET OUT OF IT RIGHT AWAY. SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE DECISION PACKAGE 8 54. YES SIR. SO IT'S, UM, THE COMMAND ONE, WHICH IS MY, MY UNIT, UM, IT'S 1,028 PER MONTH COMMAND TWO AND COMMAND THREE OR 8 54 PER MONTH. AND THEN, UM, THE UTILITY IS 7 64 PER MONTH. SO IF WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, CUTTING THAT BACK AND JUST DOING THE TWO COMMAND TWO AND THREE, UM, YOU WOULD BE 8 54 TIMES 2 16, 17 11. AND WHAT IF YOU JUST DID ONE OF THE VEHICLES? IF WE DID 10,000, IF WE DID JUST ONE, IT'D BE, IT'D BE 8 54 LOAN. YEAH. 10,000 2 48 FOR THE YEAR. BUT I'M SAYING ECHELON AND IN OVER RIGHT, RIGHT. THE PROGRAM OVER THREE YEARS. SCOTT, I THINK IF, I THINK IF WE DID, IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE REALLY, WE REALLY NEED TO TALK TO ENTERPRISE AND GET THEIR, MAYBE GET THEIR OPINIONS ON THAT BECAUSE THOSE TWO VEHICLES THE SAME AGE, ABOUT THE SAME MILEAGE AND SO WE'RE NOT, WE WAIT ANOTHER YEAR ON ONE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE MONEY, THE SAME MONEY FOR TRADING THEM BOTH END. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. YEAH. SCOTT, WAS THAT THE QUOTE OUTFITTED LIKE, IF YOU NEED SOMETHING? YES. OKAY, NOW THIS QUOTE'S OVER A YEAR OLD, SO OH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA, OH, FOR SURE. DEFINITELY. BUT WHAT YOU GOT GOING FOR YOU IS THAT YOU'D HAVE SOME REVENUE ALSO IN THE FIRST YEAR, WHICH WOULD HELP PAY FOR YOU. CORRECT. CORRECT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL BEFORE WE JUMP IN CUZ THAT WOULD DRIVE THE WHOLE DISCUSSION HONESTLY. CUZ YOU COULD GET REVENUE THEN YOU COULD FUND TWO VEHICLES OR THREE VEHICLES MM-HMM. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW. YEAH. I COULD MAKE A NOTE AND AND REACH OUT TO 'EM AND, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THE CITY'S SIDE OF IT. I DO WANT TO, I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A DECISION PACKAGE THAT IS NOT IN YOUR PACKET. AND, UM, AFTER OUR PRELIMINARY MEETING, WE DECIDED TO MAKE THIS A DECISION PACKAGE JUST TO KEEP IT ON Y'ALL'S RADAR. IT'S NOT IN YOUR, IT'S NOT IN YOUR, YOUR LINE ITEM AS AS A BUDGET YET. UM, AND SO PUT IT IN THERE FOR SOME REASON I DIDN'T SEE IT, SO I PUT IT IN THERE LATE. IT'S NOT JUST WHY IT'S NOT IN YOUR PACKAGES. SO E S D APPROACHED US THIS YEAR, EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT APPROACHED US THIS YEAR AND SAID, HEY, UM, IF THERE WAS SOME EQUIPMENT, IF WE HAD SOME FUNDS AND THERE WAS SOME EQUIPMENT YOU NEEDED THAT WOULD BE USED IN THE COUNTY, WHAT WOULD THAT EQUIPMENT BE? NUMBER ONE, WE NEED A TANKER. OUR TANKER CURRENTLY IS, UM, IT IS THE SMALLEST, EXCUSE ME, IT'S THE SMALLEST TANKER IN OUR COVERAGE AREA, AND WE HAVE THE LARGEST COVERAGE AREA IN THE E S D. UM, SO IT JUST MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? IT'S THE OLDEST, UH, TANKER AND THEY DIDN'T PURCHASE IT. UM, THE ASSOCIATION ACTUALLY FINANCED THAT TRUCK AND PURCHASED THAT TRUCK OUT OF DONATION FUND. UM, SO A TANKER IS, IS THE NUMBER ONE ANSWER. UM, THEY JUMPED RIGHT ON BOARD WITH IT. THEY'VE PUT IT IN THEIR PRELIMINARY PLANS TO PURCHASE THIS TANKER. UM, HOWEVER, WHAT WE WOULD'VE TO DO AS A CITY, WE WOULD'VE TO FRONT THE LOAN FOR THAT, RIGHT? SO WE GO OUT AND GET THE LOAN OR PAY FOR IT, AND THEN THE E S D GIVES US X AMOUNT OF MONEY PER YEAR TO PAY FOR THAT TANKER. SO IF Y'ALL RECALL, WE PAID OFF A TRUCK THAT THE E S D WAS PAYING FOR, UM, LAST YEAR. AND SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS JUST TAKES THAT LINE ITEM AND CONTINUES THAT LINE ITEM TO PAY THAT NOTE. OKAY? UM, SO THERE IS A DECISION PACKAGE IN THE SYSTEM, UM, TO PURCHASE THIS TANKER. SO IT WOULD BE, IT, IT IS ROUGHLY 600, $650,000. AND THE REASON WHY, SO WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WANT TO DO, [01:00:01] INSTEAD OF PURCHASING A TRUCK WITH A TANK, I WOULD RATHER PURCHASE A TRUCK WITH A LARGE TANK, BUT OUTFITTED WITH ALL OUR CROSS LAYS, BUMPER LINE, EVERYTHING THAT OUR ENGINES HAVE, BUT IT'S A LARGE TANKER, OKAY? AND SO THIS TRUCK IS A TANKER IN THE COUNTY, BUT IN THE CITY IT'S AN EXTRA ENGINE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, SO IT'S A BACKUP ENGINE FOR US IN THE TANKER IN THE COUNTY. AND SO, UM, IT, IT REALLY HELPS THE CITY OUT TO DO THIS. UM, AND IT'S NOT GONNA COST US ANYTHING OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF MAINTENANCE CHARGES DOWN THE LINE ONCE IT STARTS GETTING OLDER. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S HARD TO PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE ESD STILL HAS TO APPROVE IT. SO, AND, AND, AND THEY DON'T LINE UP OUR BUDGET SETTING AND ESD BUDGET SETTING DOES NOT LINE UP. AND SO, UM, KEEP IT ON YOUR RADAR DECISIONS PACKAGE IS IN THERE. UM, AND SO NEXT YEAR WE MAY HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIND THAT LOAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE TAKER. AND THIS IS, THIS WILL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ANGLETON FIRE DEPARTMENT'S TRUCK. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO THE LOAN. UM, IF IF THE E S D WAS TO PURCHASE THE TANKER AND ALL THAT, IT WOULD BE AN ESD TRUCK. MM-HMM. . UM, SO WITH THE WAY WE CURRENTLY ARE WITH THE WAY WE, WE CONTRACT WITH THE E S D, WE BUILD THAT INTO OUR CONTRACT COSTS. WE PURCHASE THE TRUCK AND THEN THEY MAKE, WE USED TO DO LEASE PURCHASES ON TRUCKS OR ARE WE ALWAYS UPFRONT? NO FIRE. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE, WE, WE FINANCE, WE'VE GOTTEN LOANS AND FINANCED THEM, BUT WE'VE NEVER REALLY LEASED THEM. NO. I MEAN, WE USED TO DO, UH, WE USED TO DO LEASE PURCHASES ON A LOT OF THINGS, NOT THINKING AROUND PUBLIC WORKS. SO I GUESS FIRE TRUCKS WE ALWAYS JUST BOUGHT OUT, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'VE ALWAYS JUST BOUGHT IS SCOTT, YOU WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE FIRETRUCK WITH THE ENGINE REPAIR? SURE. UM, SOME GOOD NEWS I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS NEED A FAN , IF Y'ALL REMEMBER. UM, WE HAD A, WE HAD A, UH, TERRY, WE HAD A FIRE TRUCK THAT WAS GIVING US A, A LOT OF PROBLEMS. AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE SPENT ON THE TRUCK IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THIS TRUCK. WE'D REBUILT THE MOTOR ONCE. MM-HMM. UM, AND IT'S A 2009 MODEL TRUCK. OKAY, WELL IT HAD A CATERPILLAR MOTOR IN IT. UM, AND THIS MOTOR WAS, UM, A PROVEN MOTOR TO HAVE PROBLEMS. EVERYBODY WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH CATERPILLAR. SO, UM, WE CAME TO TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL, WE WE'RE JUST GONNA REPLACE THE TRUCK. WE'RE JUST GONNA BUY A NEW TRUCK. WELL, UM, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKED, WELL, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A CUMMINGS MOTOR INTO THIS TRUCK? UM, VERSUS JUST CHANGE THE CATERPILLAR OUT TO THE CUMMINS? AND WE'RE LIKE, EH, MAYBE. SO WE WENT AND ASKED, AND THE COMPANY TOLD US, ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO THAT. SO 53,000 VERSUS 700,000, NO BRAINER, RIGHT? NINE MONTHS LATER AND GRAY HAIRS AND LOST HAIRS, WE FINALLY GET THE TRUCK BACK. UM, IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE. UM, AND THE TRUCK HAS, UH, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE TRUCK IN SERVICE. I'VE HAD IT THREE WEEKS. UM, HAVEN'T PUT IT IN SERVICE YET, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH TESTING RELIABILITY TO MAKE SURE. SO THEY'VE HAD TO CHANGE. UM, THEY'VE HAD TO CHANGE COMPUTERS, WIRING, HARNESSES, EVERYTHING THAT, EVERYTHING ON THIS TRUCK THAT COMMUNICATED WITH ANYTHING, THE GAS PEDAL HAD TO BE CHANGED. UM, THE GOVERNOR FOR THE PUMP HAD TO BE CHANGED. UM, THE COMPANY HAS SINCE I, IT, IT WENT SO BAD. I HAD MEETINGS WITH THE PRESIDENT, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY. UM, THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THEY DO. THE SHOP FOREMAN WHO AGREED TO THIS, HE HAS SINCE BEEN DEMOTED. UM, SO IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE. THAT'S GOOD. NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE WE'RE WOR REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE RELIABILITY OF THIS TRUCK. NOW, UM, THE, THE COMPANIES, UM, THE COMPANY THAT, THAT DID THE TRUCK, THEIR VICE PRESIDENT, HE FLAT OUT TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD NOT, IF HE'D HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS JOB. THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE SUGGESTED THAT WE DO THIS JOB. UM, SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK WITH THE TRUCK THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW RELIABLE IT'S GONNA BE. UM, SO THERE'S NEGOTIATIONS AND THINGS GOING. WE HAVE NOT PAID THEM YET. UM, THERE'S NEGOTIATIONS AND THINGS GOING ON WITH THAT. UM, SO I'VE ALSO, I'VE REACHED OUT TO OTHER VENDORS TO FIND OUT IF IT, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, HOW QUICK WE CAN GET ANOTHER TRUCK, A REPLACEMENT TRUCK FOR THIS TRUCK. THIS IS OUR FIRST, ONE OF OUR FIRST OUT TRUCKS. WE'VE BEEN DOWN ONE TRUCK FOR NINE MONTHS. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THREE TO FOUR WEEKS FOR THEM TO DO IT. UM, AND [01:05:01] SO I REACHED OUT TO VENDORS. I ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE VENDOR. THIS TRUCK IS A, UM, A PIERCE. SO WE REACHED OUT TO PIERCE, WORKING THROUGH THE COMPANY THAT, THAT DID THIS JOB, UM, UM, OFFERING POSSIBLY A BUYBACK ON THIS TRUCK. GET US OUT OF THIS TRUCK AND GET US INTO A, A NEW ONE. UM, AND THE PRESIDENT IS WORKING WITH, UH, PIERCE RIGHT NOW TO GET US SOME NUMBERS ON THAT. SO THERE'LL BE MORE TO COME ON THAT AS, AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. BUT IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE AND I'M, I'M STARTING TO SWEAT CUZ , IT HAS BEEN, IT HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE. UM, SO WE COULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT NEW TRUCK ALREADY. JUST SAY . ALL RIGHT. UM, IF Y'ALL WANT TO MOVE OVER TO THE E S D SIDE. SURE. ON HERE IT'S PAGE 41. IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE WHAT? FIXED TAB. IT DOES. YEP. GOT IT. OKAY. SO, LIKE I SAID, UM, ON THE E S D, THESE ARE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO GO TO ES D AND NEGOTIATE FOR. UM, ON OUR CONTRACT PRICING, ONE THING I DID NOTICE, AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE PHIL CAN EXPLAIN, UM, AND I THINK IT'S THE WAY THAT THE PACKAGES ARE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM. SO ES D LAST YEAR, UM, WE, WE BUDGETED 3 3 26, 4 75 WAS OUR CONTRACT THIS YEAR. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK FOR THE FULL 4 74, 2 71. OKAY. UM, IT SHOWS, UM, ON THE TOP OF OUR PAGE HERE THAT IT'S NEGATIVE $117,000. UM, THE REASON WHY I BELIEVE THAT SHOWS IS BECAUSE IN THIS PROGRAM, IN THE PROGRAM, I PUT THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO ASK FOR EXTRA AS PACKAGES. RIGHT? SO IT'S, I GUESS IT'S NOT BUILT INTO THE PROGRAM. IS THAT HOW IT THAT'S CORRECT. IT SHOWS THE DEFICIT. YEAH. THE BASE BUDGET SMARTPHONE, IT'S BIGGER. THE BASE BUDGET IS THINGS THAT ARE JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE ASKED THE DEPARTMENTS TO GIVE US A FLAT BUDGET OR AS CLOSE FIVE AS THEY COULD. THAT'S THE BASE BUDGET. ANYTHING EXTRA, LIKE THE THINGS HE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE IN DECISION PACKAGES. THE DECISION PACKAGES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATIONS WE'VE GIVEN YOU FOR THE TAX RATE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. DECISION PACKAGES ARE THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH MONEY TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THEM AND WHAT THEY CAN COST AND LET Y'ALL HELP DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. OKAY. AND SO FOR, FOR THE E S D SIDE OF THIS, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE TRICKY, UH, BECAUSE Y ARE GONNA MAKE YOUR DECISIONS ON OUR DECISION PACKAGES BEFORE I GO AND NEGOTIATE WITH E S D. UM, SO ONCE YOUR DECISIONS ARE MADE ON YOUR PORTION, THAT TWO THIRDS PORTION OF THAT DECISION PACKAGE, THAT'S GOING TO DICTATE TO ME WHAT I NEED TO GO BACK AND DO WITH S D CUZ I'M ASKING THEM FOR A THIRD OF THAT. MAKE SENSE? OKAY. UM, SO FOR S D E S D DOESN'T COVER ANY OF THE PAID SALARIES, UM, FOR THE DEPARTMENT, HOWEVER, I AM GOING TO THEM AND ASKING THEM TO HELP COVER FOR THE, UM, VOLUNTEER ON CALL. NOW, THE REIMBURSEMENTS THAT WE GIVE THE FIREFIGHTERS, WE DO THE PAID ON CA, THE PAID PER CALL, WHICH IS REIMBURSEMENTS FOR GAS, MEAL, AND CLOTHING. UM, WE GIVE THOSE STRICTLY OUT OF E S D FUNDS. THAT DOESN'T COME FROM THE CITY FUNDS AT ALL. OKAY. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S ABOUT 50, A LITTLE OVER $50,000, UM, THAT COMES STRICTLY OUT OF ESD FUNDS. UM, SO MOVING ON, LIKE I SAID, WITHOUT THE DECISION PACKAGES, UM, IT'S 3 56 7 21. WITH THE DECISION PACKAGES ALL INCLUDED, IT'D BE 4 74. UM, AND SOME OF THIS IS GONNA BE A HARD SELL WITH THEM. SO, UM, I'VE GOT MY BACKUP THOUGH. SHE'S GONNA, SHE'S GONNA HELP ME SELL SOME OF IT. UM, OKAY, SO MOVING DOWN APPAREL, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS THE SAME AS AS CITY BUDGET ON APPAREL, 7,500 GENERAL SUPPLIES. UM, THE GENERAL SUPPLIES, THE EXTRA $2,500 [01:10:02] IS FOR AN ID PRINTER. UM, FOR THE, FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF OURS IS OLD AND OUTDATED. AND, UM, THE GUYS WENT TO, UM, PD S PD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY DO THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, UH, BADGES AND EVERYTHING. AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT IT'S BEST FOR US TO JUST CONTINUE TO, TO PRINT OURS AT THE STATION. UM, AND SO IT'S $2,500 FOR THE NEW UPDATED BADGE PRINTERS. UM, SO I'LL BE ASKING, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'M INCLUDING THAT IN THE ESD BUDGET. THE VEHICLE SUPPLIES THE $10,000 DECISION PACKAGE. THAT IS THE ONE THAT FOR THE, UM, PAINTING OF, UH, THE RESCUE TRUCK. AND ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, THE $10,000 ON THE VEHICLE SUPPLIES IS THE MATCH FOR THE LEASE PROGRAM. UH, THE, THE OTHER ONE IS PAINTING ON THE RESCUE TRUCK. UM, EQUIPMENT. EQUIPMENT. WE WERE AT 79,072 LAST YEAR. THIS YEAR IT GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE BASE, 76,000. THAT'S BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE, UM, BUT I'VE GOT A DECISION PACKAGE IN THERE FOR 25,000. SO THAT $25,000, THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE HARD SALES. UM, I'M GOING TO GO TO ESD AND TRY TO GET $25,000, UM, TO HELP OFFSET THE COST OF THE, UM, PD CONSOLES AND THE PROGRAMMING AND ALL OF THAT. UM, THAT CHIEF VALDEZ IS GONNA SPEAK WITH Y'ALL ABOUT TODAY IN, IN THE BUDGET. UM, SO I'M GONNA ASK E S D TO COVER 25,000. AND THEN WITH OUR OUT OF OUR INSURANCE BILLING AND DONATION FUNDS OUTTA THE ASSOCIATION, UM, THE ASSOCIATION HAS PUT IN THEIR BUDGET, AGREED IN THEIR BUDGET TO SUBSIDIZE 15,000. UM, SO IF, IF EVERYTHING WORKS WELL WITH, WITH E S D AND UM, US, IT'S, IT'S $40,000 THAT CAN GO TOWARDS THESE CONSOLES. UM, SO THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE HARD SALES. AND, AND THE REASON WHY IS, IS E S D CURRENTLY, THEY, THEY, THEY DISPATCH OUT OF COUNTY. UM, BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING ALL HARRIS, HARRIS COUNTY, UM, WEST COMP, WEST COMP. AND SO IF WE WERE TO, WE GO AND, AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT US NEEDING A THIRD DISPATCHER AND US NEEDING ANOTHER CONSULT AND ALL OF THAT, THEY'RE GONNA ASK US WHY WE DON'T GO IN ANOTHER AREA MAKES SENSE FOR THE RURAL AREAS TO GO WESTCOM OR HARRIS COUNTY. BUT FOR US, WE'RE, WE'RE CITY INTEGRATED. INTEGRATED. SO WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO GO OUTSIDE TO DISPATCH FIRE OR EMS. WE STAY WITHIN THE CITY AND WORTH OUR CITY. SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT HARD OF A SALE. UM, BUT I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE. IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. UM, SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. UM, REPAIRING MAINTENANCE ON VEHICLES, YOU SEE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT, IT STAYED PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. AND, AND THE REASON WHY, UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE GOING UP. UM, BUT WE HAD SOME THINGS COME OFF, WHICH WAS THE TOWER. UM, AND THEN WE HAD SOME, SOME TIRES THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE. SO N FBA, N FBA MAKES US REPLACE OUR TIRES. IF OUR VEHICLES HAVE LIGHTS ON THEM, WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE TIRES IN SEVEN YEARS. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S GOT TWO MILES ON IT OR IF IT'S GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES, SEVEN YEARS, THOSE TIRES GET REPLACED. UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY COST US A LOT OF MONEY TO FIRST START THAT. WE STARTED IT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. WHAT LINE IS THIS? THIS IS REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES. UM, SO ANYWAY, YOU'LL SEE THE REASON I BROUGHT THE TIRES UP. IT, IT'S ABOUT $8,000 NEXT YEAR IS ALL, UM, IS WHAT'S GONNA COST US, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S CRAZY TO ME THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT. BUT YOU'RE FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR, SIR. 37,000. 37,000. CORRECT. YOU'RE JUST TAKING SOMETHING OFF AND PUTTING SOMETHING OFF ON. CORRECT. CAUSE THE TIRES, THE TIRES CAME OFF. THE TIRES CAME OFF. THAT'S WHY IT STAYED THE SAME. ALL RIGHT. UM, REPAIR MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT, UH, REPAIR, MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT WENT UP A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND THAT IS, UM, OUR, UH, MASK AND PACK TESTING, UM, WENT UP JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE MORE AIR PACKS, UM, TESTING NOW THAT WE GET, WE BOUGHT THE LADDER TRUCK. THAT LADDER TRUCK HOLDS MORE PACKS. WE HAVE MORE PACKS IN SERVICE AND WE HAVE TO TEST THEM MANUALLY SO THAT WE LOOK A LITTLE GOOD. UM, TRAVEL AND TRAINING, YOU'LL AGAIN STAY THE SAME, BUT WE, WE, WE PUT MORE MONEY IN THERE THAN WE DO, UH, WITH THE CITY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT TRAVEL AND TRAINING ALL TOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT $21,000 CITY, N E AND E S D, WHAT WE USE. UM, SO MISCELLANEOUS, [01:15:01] MISCELLANEOUS, WAS IT 50,000? THIS IS WHERE WE PAY OUR, UM, PAPER CALL OR REIMBURSEMENTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT'S THE LINE ITEM THAT COMES OUT OF, UM, ALSO SOME RECRUITMENT STUFF, UM, COMES OUT OF THAT TOO. YOU KNOW, BANNERS, FLYERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT THE $80,000 PACKAGE, THAT IS THE, THE PAID ON CALL PROGRAM, UM, THAT WOULD SUBSIDIZE 170, UM, FOR YELLOW. SO IF WE, IF WE DIDN'T GO THAT ROUTE, OR IF WE WENT A PORTION OF THAT, IF WE CUT IT IN HALF, UM, STARTED SMALL, I WOULD ACTUALLY CUT THIS A LITTLE BIT TOO BEFORE I GO TO E S D AND WE START A LITTLE SMALLER. EXPLAIN THAT. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU COULD DO IT INCREMENTALLY. SO, SO, SO WHAT'S BUILT IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER SHIFT, UM, PER PERSON FOR A FOUR MAN CREW. SO $400 A SHIFT. UM, IF WE STARTED SMALL, MAYBE WE DID $50 PER SHIFT. OKAY. RIGHT. CUT IT IN HALF. UM, IF WE DID $25, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD KICK OFF AS, AS MUCH AS IF WE DID $50, A HUNDRED DOLLARS. I KNOW, I KNOW. THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. $25. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD EVEN, NO, DON'T EVEN PULL THE TRIGGER AND WE WILL WAIT A YEAR, UM, OR SOMETHING, BUT $50 WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET, GET A CREW THERE. UM, I DON'T WANT TO CUT THE CREW SIZE. UM, CAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK YEAH, A TWO MAN CREW. TWO MAN CREW CAN HANDLE FIRE ALARMS. YOU KNOW, YOUR EVERYDAY CALLS LIKE THAT, BUT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ROUGH CALLS A TWO MAN CREW CAN'T DO ANYTHING BASED ON, UM, SAFETY AND UH, UH, N F P A AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT DICTATES WHAT WE CAN FIGHT FIRE WITH MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE. UM, WHAT'S YOUR, HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT RE I GUESS IF YOU WERE GONNA DO THE ON CALL, UM, YOU HAVE PAID FIRE DURING THE DAY, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY MM-HMM. , HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT, IF YOU STARTED THIS PROGRAM OUT ON WEEKENDS ONLY OR DURING THE WEEKDAY? WHAT, WHAT AREAS ARE YOU YOU LACKING THE MOST OF WEEKNIGHTS OR WEEKENDS? WEEKENDS. WEEKENDS IS THE HARDEST. UM, AND, AND, AND HERE'S, SO WEEKENDS IS THE HARDEST. HOWEVER, OUR ANALYTICS TELLS US THAT WEEKDAYS, UM, THURSDAY AT EIGHT, EIGHT O'CLOCK IS OUR BUSIEST, BUSIEST DAYS OF THE WEEK. AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A YEAR. 8:00 PM YEP. A 8:00 PM OKAY. UM, AND, AND I CAN SEND Y'ALL THOSE ANALYTICS, UM, SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL ON THE REPORTS THAT WE SEND, SEND MONTHLY, THE AVERAGE PERSONNEL THAT, THAT MAKE THE CALLS, WE STAY AROUND THAT SEVEN TO NINE, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY SHOWING UP TO THESE CALLS. UM, SO WE'RE SEEING THE PEOPLE SHOW UP, UM, THE MAJOR CALLS, YOUR HOUSE FIRES, YOUR ENTRAPMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. PEOPLE COME OUTTA THE WOODWORKS FOR THAT. UM, YOUR SMALLER CALLS, YOUR FIRE ALARMS, THINGS THAT MIGHT BITE YOU. YOU, YOU GET LESS NUMBER OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? A FIRE ALARM, YOU MAY GET THREE, FOUR PEOPLE. UM, AND THEY GET THERE AND HOPEFULLY IT'S JUST A FALSE ALARM, RIGHT? UM, IF IT TONES OUT AS THAT MAJOR CALL, MAN, THOSE GUYS, WE'LL HAVE 20 GUYS AT THE STATION. UM, SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T GRIPE ABOUT THAT WHATSOEVER. WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD GUYS. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A GET AHEAD OF THE, OF THE PROGRAMS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. AND, AND IT'S, AND IT IS REALLY THE, IT'S REALLY THE NEXT STEP. IT'S THE NEXT STEP THAT WE CAN TAKE TO BETTER THE, THE COVERAGE OF THE CITY WITHOUT HIRING MORE PAID PEOPLE. RIGHT? THAT'S ALL IT IS. IT'S JUST ONE MORE STEP AND THEN WE CAN GET THERE. SO I, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I'M CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN, IN, IN CONTINUING THAT PROGRESSION. UH, BUT I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN, IN MAYBE TAKING A STEP PROCESS MM-HMM. , AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THROUGH A MONETARY STEP LIKE 50 AS OPPOSED TO A HUNDRED, OR WOULD IT BE SOME SORT OF DIVIDED COVERAGE? LIKE JOHN MAYBE HAS THE IDEA OF MAYBE A INSTEAD OF A WEEKENDS, MAYBE A THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. BECAUSE THURSDAY'S YOUR BUSIEST DAY, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE COVERAGE ON MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY. RIGHT. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT GETS US A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. UM, AND SO REALLY ALL YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I PUT THE NUMBERS IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, UM, IF IT IS A, IT'S A FOUR MAN CREW AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER VAN, AND JUST FIGURE THAT UP BY, YOU KNOW, THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO IT'D BE THURSDAY NIGHT, FRIDAY NIGHT, AND THEN SATURDAY, SUNDAY 24TH. UM, SO IT'D BE, IT'D BE A SIGNIFICANT CUT COST FOR SURE. OKAY. [01:20:02] ALL RIGHT. UM, TRAVEL AND TRAINING CONTRACT LABOR STAYED THE SAME. UM, AND THEN, SO WE WERE ON MISCELLANEOUS AT THE, UH, AT THE, AT THE PACKETS DECISIONS, UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE DOWN ON THE BOTTOM, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, FOR THE TRANSFER CAPITAL LEASE PAYMENT, THAT IS THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DOWN PAYMENT FOR THE TANKER THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. UM, HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT THEY, IN THEIR PRELIMINARY BUDGET PLANS, THEY PUT $200,000 IN THERE. UM, NOT SURE IF THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH. UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY PUT IN THERE. AND THEY WERE THINKING FOR SOME REASON THAT THEY COULD BUY THE WHOLE TANKER FOR 200,000, BUT IT'S NOT THE CASE. SO, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DOWN PAYMENT AND THEN WE CONTINUE THE PAYMENTS ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE NUMBERS, I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK UPDATE. UM, IF Y'ALL RECALL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, YEARS AGO. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT EVERY YEAR, UM, FOR QUITE SOME TIME WITH STATION FOUR ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE. UH, SO WE, UH, GOT AN ARCHITECT THAT, SO WE HAD SURVEYS DONE. THERE WAS A LOT OF EASEMENTS, PIPELINES, WATER LINES, THINGS THAT, UM, KEPT US FROM BUILDING ONTO THAT, THAT AUSTINTOWN AREA. UM, AND THEN WATER OR SEWER WAS, WAS A MAIN CONCERN BECAUSE OF ALL THE, UM, BWA WATER PIPING THERE. YOU HAD TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET AWAY FROM ANY OF THE WATER LOADS ANYWAY. UM, SO SENT ALL THAT, THOSE SURVEYS TO AN ARCHITECT AND THEY LOOKED AT ALL THE EASEMENTS AND THEY FOUND A PROMISING AREA THAT WE COULD PUT A STATION THERE. UM, IF WE WANTED TO. UM, THEY WENT AHEAD, PUT SOME PRELIMINARY PLANS TOGETHER FOR US, PUT A FOOTPRINT TOGETHER FOR US, UM, IN A BLUE SKY ESTIMATE ON A, ON A, ON A COST OF A STATION. YOU KNOW, GIVEN, IF WE WERE TO BUILD IT A YEAR, A YEAR OUT, UM, IT'S EXTREMELY HIGHER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. UM, BUT SO, SO THAT ACTUALLY WENT OUT TODAY, UM, TO THE E S D, THE SD IS EXTREMELY INTERESTED IN BUILDING A STATION OVER THERE. UM, IT HELPS US, YOU KNOW, IF WE BUILD A STATION OVER THERE, EMS AS WELL WOULD, WOULD, WOULD HOUSE A TRUCK THERE. UM, SO REALLY WOULD HELP EVERYBODY. IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY TO KEEP A STATION, TO PUT A STATION THERE IS SECURE SOME FUNDING FOR US AS WELL. SO, UM, WE, UM, I'M GONNA PUSH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW THAT WE GOT SOME, SOME PLANS AND SOMETHING THEY CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOME MEAT. UM, SO SEE HOW INTERESTED THEY REALLY ARE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU BROUGHT UP? BROUGHT UP A TOPIC OF POTENTIALLY AT SOME POINT GETTING A FIRE MARSHAL SHOULD IMPROVE AND HELP YOU IMPROVE YOUR ISO COUNT, WHICH WOULD IN TURN THE, THE, THE BOARD OF INSURANCE WOULD LOOK AT THAT. SETTING RATES FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MM-HMM. , I KNOW IT'S QUITE, I WOULD ASK YOU TO, AMONG THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU DO TO, TO KIND OF SEEK THAT OUT. IF, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN PAY FOR ITSELF BY BRINGING, BRINGING EVERYBODY'S, UH, INSURANCE COSTS DOWN, THEN IT, UH, THEN IT MAKE, IT MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM. , AND THAT'S, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, IF, IF WE DIDN'T DO IT, IT HELPS THE BUSINESSES OUT MORE THAN THE CITIZENS. I THINK THAT, I THINK BEFORE WE HIT THAT, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DO THAT NEXT ISO STUDY, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, LOOK AT THOSE SAVINGS ON THE CITIZENS AND THE BUSINESS. MM-HMM. , I THINK, I THINK WITH A, WITH A TWO POINT DROP, IT'S IN THE DOUBLE DIGITS ON A PERCENT SAVINGS FOR CITIZENS. I WANNA SAY IT WAS 10 OR 11%. YEAH. UM, IT WAS LIKE 7% FOR 6%. DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT, UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT ON BUSINESSES. WELL SEE IT HAS A NUMBER OF HOUSE TOPS INCREASES. CORRECT. THEN THE AMOUNT OF SAVINGS OVERALL TO THE ENTIRE POPULATION HELPS COVER THE COST OF IT. I'VE GOT THAT FULL REPORT. UM, I JUST HAVEN'T SENT IT TO Y'ALL YET JUST BECAUSE IT'S A, I DIDN'T WANNA SEND Y'ALL CONVERSATION. 75 PAGE REPORT TO TO, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS IS ALL I GIVE YOU. SO I'LL UH, WORK ON THOSE HIGHLIGHTS AND TELL THOSE HIGHLIGHTS. BUT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THAT TIME COMES, IT'D BE GOOD TO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE ON AN AVERAGE SAVING A HOUSEHOLD THIS MUCH MONEY ON A COMMERCIAL THAT'S SAVING EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL, ALL THEIR VALUES ARE DIFFERENT INSURANCE, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. [01:25:01] SO ANYTHING ELSE SCOTT? NOPE. I'M DONE. IF Y'ALL ARE DONE WITH ME, I TAKE A BREAK. MM-HMM. , JUST BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, I, I HAVE THE WIND INSURANCE INFORMATION FOR YOU CECIL. YEAH. UM, LAST YEAR WE PAID 1 43 6 93 AND THIS YEAR WE'RE PAYING 3 18, 758. WOW. MAKES COUNCILMAN BOOTH'S COMMENT ABOUT THE DEDUCTIBLES EVEN MORE RELEVANT. WE'LL DEFINITELY ENGAGE ON THAT. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY ENGAGE ON THAT. WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE WE GO FINISH BUDGET CUZ THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US FIND SAVINGS IN CERTAIN PLACES. YEAH, I CAN LOOK AT WHAT THEY OFFERED FOR LAST YEAR. MM-HMM. . SURE. YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO FACTOR IN THE COST CHANGE, BUT YEAH. BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL 'EM TOO AND FIND OUT WHAT IF WE CHANGE OUR DEDUCTIBLE TO THIS, WHAT WOULD THAT DO FOR OUR, WHAT OPTIONS THERE ARE. THEY'VE GOT DIFFERENT OPTIONS. YOU AND STUFF. YEAH. IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THE CADILLAC PACKAGE, BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL. YOU WANNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO ALSO IF I CAN ASK, WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE TABLES UP SO THAT WE'RE CLOSER TO THE SCREEN. OKAY. JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE, WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF THESE TWO TABLES OVER HERE. PUSH EVERYTHING UP TO WHERE THOSE, UH, RECEPTACLES ARE. MM-HMM. , WE'LL MOVE THE POWER CORDS UP. OH GOOD. I THINK IT'D BE EASIER TO SEE THE SCREEN. ALL OF US. OKAY. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GO INTO BREAK AT 9 27. TRY TO MAKE THIS FIVE MINUTES, HAVE MEETINGS AND PUT IT TOGETHER WITH A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS. WE WERE ALL VOLUNTEER EXCEPT FOR A PART-TIME SECRETARY UNTIL 1995. UH, AND WE'VE, WE'RE MOSTLY PAID AT THIS POINT. UM, WE HAVE A CHIEF, I AM THE CHIEF, I HAVE FIVE LIEUTENANTS AND ALL TOGETHER WE HAVE, UH, 44 PEOPLE, UH, INCLUDING OUR 20 VOLUNTEERS. UM, OUR BOARD IS MADE UP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, FROM THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO A COUNTY COMMISSIONER TO A PHYSICIAN, TWO OR THREE BANKERS. UH, A REAL ESTATE PERSON, A FUNERAL DIRECTOR IF YOU WILL. UH, A COUPLE OF RETIRED PEOPLE AND A CONSTABLE. UH, AND ONE OF OUR, OUR FOUNDING MEMBERS IS STILL WITH THE ORGANIZATION. THAT CAPACITY AS A HISTORIAN, UH OH. SCOTTY WILL TELL YOU WANT ME TO DO, I DO THIS, I DO IT EVERY TIME. I DO IT EVERY TIME I HAVE A TRAINING, I JUST KEEP TALKING. UH, SO WE HAVE SIX TIME FULL STAFF. UH, THOSE FULL-TIMERS WORK 48 96 WITH A KELLY DAY, WHICH MEANS THEY AVERAGE 60 HOURS A WEEK. YES. THEY HAVE 20 HOURS OF BUILT-IN OVERTIME, BUT THAT'S THE STRUCTURE OF EMS. IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH. AND THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. OR THEY'LL HAVE TWO OR THREE PART-TIME JOBS AND WHEN YOU NEED 'EM, CUZ SOMEBODY CALLED IN SICK OR FOR A DISASTER, THEY'RE NOT AROUND. UM, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ANYBODY BUT, BUT US. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A FULL-TIME OFFICE MANAGER AND TWO LITTLE PART-TIMERS, EIGHT PART-TIME STAFF AND 20 VOLUNTEERS. OUR AVERAGE LENGTH OF SERVICE IS 12 YEARS. WOW. WHICH IS AMAZING. AND I'VE JUST LOST, WELL I'M GETTING READY TO LOSE ONE THAT'S BEEN THERE 27 YEARS. I THINK HIS BACK IS COMPLETELY GONE. UM, HE SAYS HE DIDN'T GET HURT ON DUTY. I'M PRETTY SURE HE DID. OVER YEARS. UM, I LOST ONE THAT HAD HAD A PREVIOUS STROKE AND HAD ANY EYE PROBLEMS. SHE'S BEEN THERE 26 YEARS, SO I JUST LOST THOSE TWO. UH, I HAD A 48 YEAR OLD HAVE A STROKE THE OTHER DAY ON CALL. WOW. SO, YEAH, DON'T GET OLD. UM, WE DO HAVE 24 7 PARAMEDIC STAFFING. UH, VERY MUCH UNLIKE ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS COUNTY EXCEPT PARALLEL AND FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR MONTHS. LAKE JACKSON ROLLED NUMEROUS BASIC TRUCKS. THAT'S A PERSON WITH MULTIMEDIA FIRST AID AND THEY CAN GIVE OXYGEN. THEY CAN'T EVEN PUT A CARDIAC MONITOR ON CUZ THERE'S NO PARAMEDIC THERE TO READ IT. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CARE AND HAVE MAINTAINED IT. HAD A PARAMEDIC FOR ALMOST 28 YEARS ON EVERY CALL. YOU DON'T GET THAT. YOU DON'T GET THAT IN HOUSTON. HOUSTON WILL ROLL A PUMPER AND THEN CALL FOR MAYBE AN ALS TRUCK AND INTERMEDIATE AND THEN MAYBE AN M I C U. Y'ALL GET IT EVERY DAY. UM, WE'VE GOT PRETTY MUCH STATE-OF-THE-ART EQUIPMENT. THERE IS SOME, SOME MORE THINGS THAT WE COULD ADD, BUT [01:30:01] HONESTLY WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE WOULD USE IT WOULD BE RARE. WE WOULD SAVE LIVES WITH IT, BUT WE'RE SAVING MORE LIVES WITH WHAT WE HAVE. AND, UH, THE CITY DID, UH, USE SOME ARPA FUNDS A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND BOUGHT US A LUCAS COMPRESSION DEVICE ABOUT $23,000. WE EXTREMELY APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THE CITY EVER BOUGHT US PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, UM, OPERATIONS. SO, UH, WE COVER ABOUT 258 SQUARE MILES OF THE COUNTY. WE DO ANGLETON RO, SHARON BAILEY'S, PRAIRIE HOLIDAY LAKES, UH, AND THE VILLAGE OF FARM. UH, MOST OF THAT IS IN THE EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT. WE'RE IN THE SAME DISTRICT AS SCOTTY, UH, EXCEPT FOR BAILEY'S PRAIRIE AND BAILEY. BAILEY'S PRAIRIE DOES PAY US A FEE. UM, WE HAVE SIX AMBULANCES, WE RUN THREE OF THEM 24 7 NO MATTER WHAT. AND THEN WE'LL ADD A FOURTH TRUCK ON OR MAYBE EVEN A FIFTH ON GRADUATION NIGHT DURING THE FAIR, DURING THE FAIR PARADE, SPECIAL EVENTS, THAT SORT OF THING. UM, JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION, UH, THAT, THAT WE JUST HAD. AND DURING THE PARADE IT CUTS THE CITY IN HALF NO MATTER WHAT PARADE YOU HAVE. THERE'S PLACES WE CAN'T GET TO OR GET INTO THE COUNTY. AND SO WE HAVE TO POSITION TRUCKS AROUND THOSE. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS. UM, HOW MANY TRUCKS DO YOU HAVE WITH SIX TOTAL? YOU DO HAVE SIX, BUT YOU RUN THREE NORMALLY. RIGHT. AND SO THE REASON WE HAVE SIX IS ONE OF THEM IS A TRANSFER TRUCK AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT. OKAY. AND IT'S DEDICATED TO THAT. IT'S A SMALLER TRUCK, MORE ECONOMICAL, AND THEN YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMETHING'S GONNA GO DOWN. YOU WILL SEE OUR TRUCKS SITTING AT SWALLOWS, AT LEAST ONE OF 'EM PROBABLY FOUR DAYS A WEEK. . YEAH. UM, THEY'RE FORDS. WE'VE HAD CHEVYS. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S NOT OUR BOX, IT'S NOT THE AMBULANCE MODULE. THOSE THINGS ARE JUST, THEY JUST HUM EXCEPT FOR THE AIR CONDITIONED UNITS WE HAVE TO TRADE OUT. BUT IT'S THE FOUR CHASSIS THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH AND THEY'RE REALLY THE BETTER. THERE'S ONLY, YOU CAN GET AN INTERNATIONAL CHASSIS FOR AN AMBULANCE AND GET A FORD DODGE AND A SHIP. THAT'S ALL THAT ARE CERTIFIED AS AMBULANCE JESSIE. UM, WE, YOU'LL SEE OUR LITTLE SPLIT SPRINTER TRUCK AROUND IT. IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY BRIGHT AND UH, GOT ALL THE NEON ON IT. WE BOUGHT THAT SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE STARTED DOING TRANSFERS IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID. WHEN COVID STARTED, THE HOSPITAL LOST THEIR TRANSFER SERVICE BECAUSE THEY COULD GO ELSEWHERE AND MAKE G LOTS MORE MONEY. UHHUH , THEY WERE AROUND A LITTLE BUT NOT MUCH. OUR CALL VOLUME TANKED AND OUR MONEY WENT TO HECK. AND WE HAVE CRITICAL CARE PARAMEDICS, SO WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING TO SUPPLEMENT OUR INCOME AND WE COULD GET ONE OF THESE A LOT QUICKER THAN A BOX AMBULANCE. IT WAS CHEAPER. GAS MILEAGE IS BETTER. YOU DON'T HAVE SO MUCH TO DO WHEN YOU'RE TRANSFERRING A PATIENT WHERE YOU NEED TO MOVE AROUND A WHOLE LOT. SO, SO IT WORKS AND IT, IT IS HELPING SUPPLEMENT US. WE ONLY DO IT FROM LIKE 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM UNLESS THEY HAVE SOMEBODY REALLY CRITICAL IN THE NIGHT THAT WOULD RATHER US TAKE THEIR MORE CRITICAL PATIENTS. BUT IF MY GUYS HAVE BEEN RUNNING OR IF THE CITY'S BUSY, IT'S, IT'S A HARD NO, WE WON'T GO. UM, BUT WE'LL TRY TO HELP 'EM WHEREVER WE CAN. THE LAST THREE DAYS WE'VE DONE THREE TRANSFERS A DAY. IT'S A GOOD THING CUZ WE WERE STARVING TO DEATH. WE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING. SO, BUT IT WORKS THAT THEY'RE VERY FLEXIBLE WITH US AND UH, WE ONLY TAKE THEM OUT OF THE ER AND THEN WE DO SPECIAL CITY FAMILY PD, FIRE OUR FAMILY. WE'LL TAKE THEM IN THE MIDDLE. WE'LL GET UP, TAKE THEM. SO JUST A LITTLE QUICK, UH, OVERVIEW. IN 2020 WE DID, UH, 5,648 CALLS IN 2021. WE DID A FEW, ABOUT 40 MORE. UH, BACK IN 2020 WE ONLY DID 4,000 SOMETHING. IT'S THESE OTHER SLIDES, UH, THAT'S CRAZY. IT, IT WAS COVID. SO PEOPLE WERE VERY SICK, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET IN THE DIRTY AMBULANCE AND GO TO THE DIRTY HOSPITAL. THEY, THEY WERE SCARED. AND LET ME TELL YOU, WE WERE CLEANING. I MEAN WE CLOSED OUR WHOLE FACILITY. YOU COULDN'T ENTER IT. YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING. UM, AND LEFT OUR BOOTS IN THE BAY AND SANITIZED EVERYTHING 18 TIMES A DAY AND GOT THESE ELECTRONIC THINGS THAT DO BUNK ROOMS. AND SO I THINK WE WERE PROBABLY ONE OF THE CLEANEST PLACES IN TOWN, BUT PEOPLE WERE SCARED. MM-HMM. AND WENT DOWN. AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE TRANSPORTING DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE AND THAT MADE IT WORSE. UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT SCOTTY WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE RESPONDED WITH ANGLETON FIRE COM DEPARTMENT 500 TIMES LAST YEAR AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT THIS YEAR. WE'RE AN AUTOMATIC [01:35:01] MUTUAL AID FOR THEM. SO IF THEY GET A FIRE CALL, WE GO NOW THEY MAY SAY, NEVERMIND, WE GOT IT. IT'S OKAY. BUT WE WOULD RATHER GO AND BE THERE AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY THERE FOR THE FIRE OR WHAT'S ON FIRE. WE'RE THERE FOR THEM. WE TAKE THAT, THOSE 500 CALLS OUTTA THE EQUATION WHEN WE FIGURE WHAT YOUR UM, EXPENSE SHOULD BE. AND WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT. THEY'LL COME TO US ANYTIME WE NEED IT. THEY'RE AN AUTOMATIC MUTUAL AID ON REX IN THE CITY. THEY'RE AN AUTOMATIC MUTUAL AID ON LIFE FLIGHT CALLS NO MATTER WHERE IT IS. WE GO WITH THEM. IF THEY GO OUT OF TOWN TO MUTUAL AID ANOTHER CITY, WE GO WITH THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW DO THEY EVEN HAVE PARAMEDICS OVER THERE? I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE GOING WITH OUR GUYS. UM, THEY PROTECT OUR SCENES. THEY TOTE FOR US. UM, YEAH, I CAN GO ON AND ON, BUT, SO WE TAKE THAT 500 OUT OF THE EQUATION. A LOT OF, UH, NONPROFITS THAT DO BUSINESS WITH CITY FIRE DEPARTMENTS, THEY'LL CHARGE BETWEEN 20 AND 45 A CALL FOR FIRE CALLS. WE'RE HANDLING IT AT THIS POINT. UM, WE TAKE A LOT TO UT M B, WE STARTED TAKING SOME TO PEARLAND, HERMAN AND EVEN UTM B GALVESTON DIRECTLY, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DID NOT DO IN THE PAST. UM, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT FINANCIALS. SO WE WORK ON A CASH BASIS. WE DON'T WANT WORK ON A GAP BASIS. GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES CUZ IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. TRAVIS'S INSURANCE WITH THE COUNTY MAY PAY $464 ON A TRIP. THE CITY MAY PAY $600 ON THE TRIP AND PHIL'S AETNA PAYS $2,600 ON THE TRIP. WELL, BLUE CROSS BLUESHIELD, THEY'RE ALL MAJOR INSURANCES. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT IT'S GONNA PAY. YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT MEDICAID PAYS. IT'S ABOUT IN THE CITY IT'S ABOUT $240. DOES NOT COME CLOSE TO PAYING FOR ANYTHING FOR THAT CALL. UM, MEDICARE IS ABOUT FOUR 60 AND THEN PRIVATE INSURANCE IS, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. THE VA PAYS US A HUNDRED PERCENT. 100%. UM, ANYWAY, SO LET, THIS IS, THIS IS TOTAL COMPANY IF YOU WILL. UH, LET'S LOOK AT 22. UH, TOTAL INCOME WAS A LITTLE OVER 3 MILLION FEES FOR SERVICE. THAT'S INSURANCE, MONEY AND SELF-PAY. OKAY. THAT WE'VE BROUGHT IN A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION. THE ESD GAVE US 435,000. THE WATER DONATION FROM THE CITIZENS WAS A HUNDRED FORTY SIX, TWO FIFTY ANGLES WAS 96,000. UH, WE GOT GRANTS FROM THE COUNTY FOR $89,000 CONTRIBUTIONS FOR 12. AND THERE'S SOME MORE LITTLE THINGS IN THERE, BUT THAT JUST SORT OF SHOWS YOU WHO WE ARE AND WHERE OUR MONEY COMES FROM. UH, LOOK, THE E S D ALSO PAYS, UH, THEY PAY FOR A TRUCK LIFE OF A TRUCK SIX TO SEVEN YEARS. AND THEY'RE GIVING US $20,000 A YEAR TO PAY FOR A TRUCK. UH, IT'S OUR TRUCK. THEY'RE JUST ROLLING IT INTO OPERATIONS MONEY. SO THAT'S REALLY 4 55. ALRIGHT, LET'S LOOK AT THE CITY. AND I THINK I MAY EVEN CONFUSE JOHN ON THIS , BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO EXPLAIN IT. SO LET'S JUST START WITH AN EASY ONE. LET'S START WITH 2019. TOTAL CALLS WAS 5,100 CALLS IN THE CITY WAS 31, ALMOST 3,200. BUT WE TOOK OUT THE FIRE CALLS FOR THAT YEAR. SO IT'S 29 47. OKAY. SO FEES FOR SERVICE PAID A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. WE WERE GETTING GOOD MONEY IN 2019. UH, CITY OF ANGLETON GAVE US 65, 768. THEY WERE PAYING BY CALL BACK THEN WATER BILL DONATIONS WAS UNDER 26 SUBTOTALS 1,000,360 FOR YEARS. WE HAVE BEEN TAKING MONEY OFF THE TOP FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THEY DO FOR DISPATCH AND FOR ALL THEY DO TO HELP US. WE CAN DOT FOR TAT HERE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU HELP ME AND I'LL COME TO YOUR CALLS. WE CAN'T REALLY HELP A POLICE OFFICER. WE DON'T HAVE GUNS. SO WE'VE BUILT IN SOME MONEY TO PAY FOR THE DISPATCH PIECE AND WE JUST TAKE THAT OFF THE TOP IF YOU WILL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT BRINGS IT DOWN TO 1,000,300 AND THE EXPENSES WAS 1,000,003 12. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE GREAT. UH, THE NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM, THAT 2,947 CALLS IS 60% OF THE TOTAL CALLS. WE'VE ALWAYS BACKED YOURS DOWN BECAUSE THE CALLS IN THE COUNTY COST COST US MORE FUEL WEAR AND TEAR, WHATEVER MM-HMM. . RIGHT? WE USED TO BACK DOWN 3%. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT [01:40:01] THE 2022 COLUMN, WE BACKED DOWN 5%. SO WE'RE GIVING YOU 500 FIRE CALLS, $50,000 FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LOOPS LOOPY. DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND HE'S PROBABLY GONNA START ASKING FOR THAT , I'M JUST SAYING LOOK OUT. UM, BUT IN 2022 IT WAS BAD, BUT OUR EXPENSES WERE HIGH TOO. AND WHAT MAKES IT BAD IS, LOOK, IN 2019 WE MADE A MILLION DOLLARS OFF OF FEE FOR SERVICE. IN 2022 IT WAS 8 33 AND IT'S GETTING WORSE EVERY DAY. WE'RE SEEING, LIKE YESTERDAY I THINK WE TRANSPORTED TWO SICK PATIENTS AND ONE OF THEM WAS A NO. TWO SICK PATIENTS. AND THEN WE HAD ONE THAT WAS A PSYCH WITH NO INSURANCE. AND THEN WE HAD SEVERAL OTHERS THAT WERE PSYCH OR HOMELESS OR WHATEVER THAT NEVER WENT TO THE HOSPITAL. WE HAD TO CHECK 'EM OUT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR A CITIZEN FOUND THEM AND THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BE ILL. AND THAT'S ALL WE DID. BUT WE DID THREE TRANSFERS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT HELPED PAY PAYROLL. BUT, AND I'M SURE LUPE WILL TELL YOU THE AMOUNT OF HOMELESS THAT ARE BACK IN TOWN. AGAIN, THE AMOUNT OF DRUGS THAT'S IN THE CITY IS LIKE FOUR TIMES WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR PORTION OF THE COUNTY. THE WEST, WEST BRAS IS BAD, BUT ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER, IT'S NOT TOO BAD. AND, UM, PSYCH PATIENTS, THERE IS NO CARE FOR MENTAL HEALTH IN, IN TEXAS. THERE'S JUST NOT. AND THEY'RE LEFT TO THEIR OWN MEANS ON THE STREETS. AND SO WE AND I DEAL WITH 'EM EVERY DAY AND, AND IT'S SAD CUZ WE'RE NOT WHAT THEY NEED. SO, LUCIO, MAYBE YOU CAN A FOLLOW UP. JUST SEND US AN EMAIL WITH A BREAKDOWN OF CALLS, WHAT THEY ARE. YEAH. LIKE THIS IS MENTAL HEALTH. THIS IS MEDICAL. THIS IS, YEP. SOMETHING I'LL WRITE DOWN. I DON'T REMEMBER. I HAVE, I HAVE, SO I HAVE A QUESTION. IF SOMEBODY IS TRANSPORTED FROM THE HOSPITAL, NO INSURANCE, YOU STILL GET PAID BY THE HOSPITAL. HOSPITAL GUARANTEES IT. OKAY. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I I AND THEY, I BET I'D HAVE TO LOOK, BUT I BET MORE THAN HALF OF 'EM ARE HOSPITAL GUARANTEED. BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT TRANSPORT REVENUE, UH, IN 2019. NO YOU DIDN'T. IT CAME IN 2020. YEAH. SO YOU, AND YOU GOT A MILLION, YOU HAD A ALMOST 1.1 MILLION, UH, FEE FOR SERVICE. THAT WAS INSURANCE WITHOUT TRANSPORT. THERE WAS PROBABLY 50 TRANSPORTS THAT YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING BACKUP CALL FOR THEM FOREVER. MM-HMM. . BUT NOTHING LIKE THE SIX OR 700 THAT WE HAD IN 2020. WE ONLY HAD 522. UM, AND WE'RE ON BOARD TO DO ABOUT 4 50, 500 THIS YEAR. BUT WE'RE, WE TURN DOWN A LOT CUZ IF, IF WE'RE BUSY OR IF WE'VE GOT TRUCKS OUT IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO COVER 9 1 1 FIRST. RIGHT. SO WE TRY TO CHERRY PICK AND YOU WILL SEE DANBURY COME IN TOWN ON A RARE OCCASION. IT'S LAKE JACKSON, BUT IT'S USUALLY DANBURY. AND SOME OF OUR GUYS WORK PART-TIME OVER THERE SO THEY KNOW THE CITY, THEY KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS AND UH, WE BACK UP THEM AND THEY BACK US UP AND THEY COME INTO THE CITY PROBABLY TWO OR THREE TIMES A MONTH. IF, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON EXPENSE ITEMS ON THE NEXT PAGE. UH, 2023. THIS IS JUST A PROJECTED, BUT YOU CAN TELL HOW MUCH SALARIES HAVE GONE UP. WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH PEOPLE IN HOUSTON THAT ARE PAYING 28 TO $32 AN HOUR FOR A TWO YEAR PARAMEDIC. WE PAY 2215. UH, AND WE JUST STARTED DOING THAT UH, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. WE GAVE FEW RAISES CUZ WE HAD TO, NOW I'VE GOT SEVERAL OF MY FOLKS THAT HAVE LEFT OVER THE LAST FOUR TO SIX YEARS, BUT THEY'VE ALMOST ALL STAYED PART-TIME. SO THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, WE DO HAVE FOUR NURSES. WE HAVE A FLIGHT NURSE. WE HAVE TWO LIFE FLIGHT PARAMEDICS. UM, SO WE HAVE A PRETTY PRESTIGIOUS STAFF. A FACEBOOK FRIEND, UH, USED OUR SERVICE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY. AND YESTERDAY SHE POSTED HOW UM, SHE TRIED TO DISREGARD THE AMBULANCE AND COULDN'T, IT WAS A PROBLEM WITH HER, UH, EMERGENCY MONITORING SYSTEM. AND UM, THEY CAME AND SHE WAS APOLOGIZING. I'M SO SORRY YOU CAME OUT HERE. I'M SO SORRY. AND, UH, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WHAT'S THE MATTER? SHE WAS REALLY WOUND UP AND SHE SAID, WELL, MY EMERGENCY MONITORING SYSTEM KEEPS GOING OFF, BUT WHEN I NEED IT TO GO OFF, IT WON'T. AND I TRIED TO CALL THESE PEOPLE AND I JUST END UP HANGING UP AND MY GUYS WERE LIKE, WELL, [01:45:01] HOLD ON, SIT DOWN, GET A GLASS OF WATER BEFORE YOU HAVE HEART ATTACK. GIMME THE PHONE NUMBER. THEY STAYED OVER THERE AN HOUR. THEY WERE LISTED FOR CALLS, BUT THEY STAYED OVER THERE AN HOUR AND GOT HER ALARM SYSTEM SET AND SHE PUT IT ON FACEBOOK. NO BETTER ADVERTISING IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, SO I SCREENSHOTTED IT FROM MY GUYS AND SENT IT TO 'EM. AND CUZ YOU DON'T ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT THE WINS. I I KNOW SCOTTY DOESN'T EITHER. PEOPLE CALL YOU TO COMPLAIN. RIGHT. VERY TRUE. UM, ANYWAY, BACK TO THIS, UH, PAYROLL'S REALLY GONE UP. UH, FUEL IS KIND OF FLAT RIGHT NOW, SO, SO THAT'S GOOD. AT LEAST FOR US, IT HAS BEEN, UH, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF. NARCAN, NARCAN'S, THE ANTI AGENT FOR OPIATE OVERDOSE IN ABOUT 2017, IT WAS $7 FOR FOUR MILLIGRAMS. MM-HMM. , IT IS $49 FOR TWO MILLIGRAMS. AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE IN THE CITY WITHIN THE LAST MONTH THAT TOOK 10 MILLIGRAMS TO KEEP 'EM GOING. YEAH. AND ONE OF THEM WENT OUT TO JOHN SEALY ON A NARCAN DRIP FROM THE HOSPITAL. IT'S A BIG BAG OF NARCAN AND IT'S DRIPPING IN YOUR VEIN. OH GEEZ. WE'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN ABUSING FOR YEARS AND IT JUST BUILT UP IN THEIR SYSTEM. BUT CRAZY. UM, OUR REPAIRS KEEP GOING UP, AS DOES EVERYTHING ELSE. OUR OFFICE EXPENSE KIND OF, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT DOWN, BUT IT JUST GOES BACK AND FORTH. NOW OUR VOLUNTEER REIMBURSEMENT IS A LOT LESS THAN SCOTTY'S, UH, BECAUSE I USUALLY HAVE ONE VOLUNTEER ON A TRUCK FOR 12 HOURS EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS. AND WHEN HE DOES IT, HE HAS FOUR MINIMUM AND A LOT OF TIMES HE'S GOT 10 OR 12 OR 15. UM, SO THAT'S OUR, OUR VOLUNTEER RE REIMBURSEMENT. AND IT IS LIKE HIS REIMBURSEMENT. IT'S UH, UNIFORM MILE, ONE WAY MILEAGE TO THE STATION AND A MEAL. UH, AND THAT'S ALL I GET. UM, INSURANCE IS CRAZY. UH, I DID HAVE A DEVASTATING BACK INJURY OF ONE OF MY PEOPLE IN 2022. HE JUST HAD BACK SURGERY. SO OUR WORKER'S COMP IS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF AND THAT'S MOST OF THAT. UM, AND THEN CAPITAL AND THEN UNIFORMS. UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE NEW JACKETS THIS YEAR OR AT LEAST SOME CUZ OURS ARE GETTING REALLY WARM. UM, SO LOOKING FORWARD, UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO IMPROVE OUR CARE. WE'RE GONNA COMPLETELY REDO OUR MEDICAL PROTOCOLS. THAT OUGHT TO BE DONE NEXT MONTH. UH, WE'RE GONNA INTRODUCE A NEW CE PROGRAM, CONTINUING EDUCATION PROGRAM FOR CLINICAL AND TRY TO DO AS MUCH OF IT IN HOUSE AS WE CAN. JUST LIKE SCOTTY SENDING PEOPLE, I MEAN, HOTEL ROOMS HAVE DOUBLED, UH, MEALS. AND THEN THE CLASSES, EVERYBODY THINKS THEY HAVE TO PAY $1,200 FOR A CLASS PER PERSON. AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO, SINCE WE HAVE THESE NURSES AND THESE LIFE FLIGHT PEOPLE THAT CAN BRING IN SPEAKERS, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. UH, OF COURSE WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR EXTRA FUNDING. WE DO. UM, OUR MAIN BUILDING, THE TILT WALL IS 41 YEARS OLD. THE METAL BUILDING BEHIND IT IS 26 YEARS OLD. AND, AND THEY'RE ROUGH. THEY'RE REALLY ROUGH. WE SPEND OUR MONEY ON OUR FOLKS AND SO WE'VE GOTTA SPEND A LITTLE MONEY TO STOP LEAKS AND MAKE SURE THE ROOF'S OKAY. UM, WE WANNA CONTINUE TO FUND OUR RETENTION PROJECTS AND OUR LONGEVITY BONUSES. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST ALMOST 18 YEARS, I GUESS. AND SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, OUR PAID STAFF WILL GET LONGEVITY BONUSES BASED ON HOW MANY MONTHS THEY'VE BEEN WITH US. AND THEN, UH, EVEN THE PART-TIMERS AND SOME VOLUNTEERS WILL GET SOME PERKS FOR DOING A PROJECT OR TAKE INTO TRANSFER OR, OR DIFFERENT THINGS. WE'LL THROW A LITTLE MONEY AT 'EM TO TRY TO KEEP 'EM GOING SO THEY GET IT, UH, BEFORE BLACK FRIDAY. SO IT HELPS THEM WITH THEIR FAMILY FOR CHRISTMAS. AND SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY LARGE. WE WILL, BETWEEN THAT AND THE CHRISTMAS PARTY, WE'LL SPEND $60,000. BUT IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY TO KEEP OUR STAFF MM-HMM. AND THEY TELL ALL THEIR FRIENDS WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOUR EMPLOYER DO THAT? IT'S JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UM, WE REALLY WANT TO STAFF A PEAK TRUCK SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE ARE AROUND AND TAKE SOME MORE TRANSFERS TO HELP US ON THE MONEY SIDE, BUT THE MONEY'S JUST REALLY NOT THERE TO DO IT YET. UM, WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOING OUR TRANSFERS. OF COURSE, WE'RE ALWAYS SEEKING GRANTS. SO GRANTS ARE HARD FOR US. WE'RE NOT ATTACHED TO A CITY OR A FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND BEING A NONPROFIT, THERE'S, YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE MORE, BUT FOR EMS, THERE REALLY IS NOT. THEY'RE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. UM, WE HAVE JUST RAISED OUR RATES AGAIN, UM, WHICH WILL HURT SOME PEOPLE, BUT [01:50:01] HOPEFULLY REALLY QUICKLY. UM, YOU'VE HAD TWO OR THREE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN VERY UPSET WITH ME BECAUSE THEIR AMBULANCE BILLS ARE THIS BIG AND THE INSURANCE ONLY PAID THIS MUCH. AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO GET LEGISLATION TO GET PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO MAKE US IN NETWORK BECAUSE THEY PAY MORE FOR IN NETWORK. WELL, THEY WON'T EVEN TALK TO US BECAUSE WE'RE SO SMALL. EVEN MOST MAJOR CITIES, THEY WON'T TALK TO US SO SMALL. AND SO THE INSURANCE COMPANY SAY, WELL, YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR, YOUR AMBULANCE PEOPLE. IT'S THEM. IT'S NOT, IT'S THE INSURANCE COMPANY LINE IN THEIR POCKETS. UM, Y'ALL KNOW THE BONDINGS, THEY'RE FROM ANGLETON. DR. GREG BONIN IS A HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE. UM, WE WENT TO HIM IN JANUARY AND SAID WE NEED SOME RELIEF. AND HE SAID, GOOD. HE SAID, THAT'S ALL MY TOP FIVE THINGS TO DO THIS YEAR BECAUSE BEING A NEUROSURGEON, HE UNDERSTANDS MM-HMM. , HE SAID, I'M TIRED OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. ANYWAY, THEY GOT A BILL PASSED, UH, THE GOVERNOR DID SIGN IT AND IT'S TO MAKE US IN NETWORK AND MAKE THEM GUARANTEE TO PAY SO MUCH PERCENT. OKAY. WHICH WILL HELP PEOPLE WHOSE INSURANCE DON'T PAY AS MUCH. UH, SO I'M HOPING DOESN'T START TILL JANUARY ONE. IT MEANS THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL DRAG THEIR FEET A YEAR OR TWO, BUT I'M HOPING COMING SOON THAT THAT WILL HELP ALL OF US, WHICH WILL HELP. YOU KNOW, THE MORE MONEY INSURANCE BRINGS IN FOR YOU, THE LESS I'M ASKING FOR HIM. ALL RIGHT. LET'S TALK, TALK ABOUT MY ASK. I I LISTEN TO PHIL, I GET IT. UM, BUT WE'RE HURTING AND WHERE WE'RE HURTING MORE THAN NOT IS THE CITY. UM, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH FLAT IN THE COUNTY. UM, BUT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GIVING US $96,000 A YEAR. I ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 LAST YEAR. I'M ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 64 TO TRY AND THAT WON'T EVEN MAKE YOU WHOLE. BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN'T ASK YOU FOR $200,000 AND THAT'S RIDICULOUS. UM, ANYWAY, I SEE WHERE WE ARE, BUT HELP ME WHAT YOU CAN. I'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO PAY THESE FOLKS AND KEEP THEM HAPPY SO WE CAN HAVE A PARAMEDIC ON EVERY TRUCK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? I CAN STAND QUESTION. DON'T CALL WHY WE SPENT OUR CAPITAL LAST YEAR. I NOTICED IT WAS AMBULANCE, AMBULANCES, NEW AMBULANCE. OH, I, AND LET ME UM, I DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. YOU'LL SEE A NOTE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. SO OUT OF THE TOTAL EXPENSES FOR THE ORGANIZATION, WE TOOK OUT 67,000 THAT WE WERE PAID FOR BY GRANT AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. VERY, VERY BOTTOM. MM-HMM. ON YOURS. WE TOOK OUT $67,000 BECAUSE IT WAS PAID FOR BY GRANT AND WE TOOK OUT TWO AMBULANCES. ONE WAS THE LITTLE TRANSFER AMBULANCE, 108 AND ONE WAS A REMOUNTED BOX FOR 133. YOU WERE NOT CHARGED FOR ANY OF THAT. THAT WENT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE CUZ THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS DOING AN AMBULANCE REMOUNT, WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT A NEW AMBULANCE IN YEARS. WE SEND IT BACK TO MISSOURI. THEY SANDBLAST THE BOX, THEY TEAR EVERYTHING OUT, THEY PUT ALL THE NEW EQUIPMENT IN IT, BUILD IT BACK UP, PUT IT ON NEW, NEW CHASSIS AND WE GO PICK IT UP. I GOT ONE GOING TUESDAY. UM, AND EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS YOU'LL SEE THAT ON HERE, YOUR PORTION, WHICH NOW IS LIKE 44%. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND, AND REALLY 2020 WASN'T BAD. YEAH. EVERYBODY WAS IN THE HALL. WELL WE GOT THE P PPP LOAN AND WE GOT LIKE $356,000 FOR THAT, WHICH MADE EVERYBODY HAUL THE EX. THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK ON THE YEARLY INCOME SLIDE MM-HMM. , YOU HAVE FEE FOR SERVICE FOR 2022 OF 2.2 MILLION MM-HMM. , THEN YOU FLIP OVER TO THE CITY AND IT'S 833,000. THAT'S THAT. THIS IS TOTAL COMPANY, RIGHT? 8 33 IS JUST THE CITY. BUT AM I ASSUMING THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS E S D? YES. AND TRANSFERS AND TRANSFER. YEAH. THIS IS ALL OF THE COMPANY, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. SO THAT'S E S D PRISONS, TRANSFERS, BAILEY'S PRAIRIE, IT'S ALL THAT. OKAY. DOES BAILEY'S PRAIRIE GIVE YOU ANYTHING? THEY DO. UM, THEY'VE BEEN GIVING US 12 FIVE FOR A WHILE AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING, NEGOTIATING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. PROBABLY NEED ABOUT 18. UM, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GIVE US THE DIFFERENCE TO MAKE UP 15 THIS YEAR AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK FURTHER. BUT WE REALLY DON'T RUN MANY CALLS [01:55:01] OVER THERE. AND I GUESS THE MAJORITY OF 'EM IS PRETTY PRIVATE PAY AND THEY, THEY'VE GOT SOME OLD FOLKS, BUT THEY REALLY HAVE NO MEDICAID. THAT'S WHAT REALLY HURTS. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION? ABOUT HOW WE FIGURE ANYTHING? I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO BE HERE. OH, THANK YOU LUCILLE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT'S REALLY INSIGHTFUL. LOT OF STUFF I DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WERE DOING. SO YES SIR. WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE INCREASED THE LITTLE DONATION AMOUNT ON THE WATER BILL? UH, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO. YEP. YEAH, WE JUST DID AND WE ADDED BUSINESSES. UH, MARTHA PUT A THING IN THE MAGAZINE FOR US AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN CHRIS DID COFFEE WITH CHRIS AND PUT IT IN THE MAGAZINE AGAIN. UM, I'VE TALKED TO LIONS CLUB AND 16 LADIES CHURCH GROUPS AND YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM ARE RETIRED. BUT TELL YOUR FRIENDS, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THE CHAMBER. UM, IT HASN'T CAUGHT ON WITH THE BUSINESSES YET. I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT PAYS THE BILLS GETS THE INFORMATION AND CHUNKS IT MM-HMM. AND SO THE OWNER DOESN'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT IT. YEAH. BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT BENE BENEFITS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. YEAH, BUT I'M AROUND. COME SEE ME. CALL ME. I'LL GIVE YOU THE CELL PHONE NUMBER IF YOU WANNA COME SEE THE STATION. MS. DANIEL DID NOT TOO LONG AGO. I WE THINK IT'S FUN. IT, IT'S ALL IT'S WORN, BUT WE THINK WE HAVE SOME FUN STUFF. THANK YOU LUCILLE. UM, YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU. YES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS, GET BACK TO YOU REAL QUICK AND THOSE ARE JUST HIGHLIGHTS. YEAH. WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, REPRESENTATIVE BONIN GETTING THE, UH, YES. THE INSURANCE COMPANIES PUT YOU IN NETWORK. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THAT REVENUE? NO CLUE. NO CLUE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE EVEN HOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO DO IT. MM-HMM. CLEARLY. AND UM, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. WE DID GET A, UH, 8% RAISE ON MEDICA MEDICAID MILEAGE, UM, WHICH GAVE US $2 PER CALL A MILE. OH YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO, BECAUSE I DO SEE THAT THE, FROM 2019 TO 2022 NUMBER OF CALLS IN THE CITY, LESS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CALLS RIGHT. HAS GONE DOWN 400 CALLS. YEAH. MM-HMM. . YEAH. BUT YOUR REVENUE'S GONE DOWN, UM, ABOUT 200,000, 250. YEAH. AND OUR EXPENSES HAS GONE UP COMPARATIVELY UP. YES. YEAH. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. NO, THANK Y'ALL. APPRECIATE IT. GOOD MORNING. MORNING, MORNING MEGAN. AN HOUR AND A HALF. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. BYE. THANK YOU. IS MY SNACK BOTHERING YOU? YEAH, MY SECOND. OKAY. THE FIRST DEPARTMENT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND, UH, PAGE NUMBER 21. BUT SINCE WE'VE ADDED THE, UH, DECISION PACKAGES, THE NUMBERS NOT REAL. NUMBERS AREN'T EXACTLY CURRENT. RIGHT. RIGHT. MM-HMM. DE'S GOING TO, WE'LL START WITH THE PARTS DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. GOOD MORNING [02:00:01] ALL. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR PAR LEADERSHIP HERE THIS MORNING. SO THEY'RE GONNA GO OVER EACH OF THEIR RESPECTIVE AREAS AND WE'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. STARTING OFF WITH THE GENERAL FUND PARKS. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY ALSO RIGHT AWAY. SO YOU'LL SEE QUITE A FEW INCREASES. BUT THAT IS MAINLY BECAUSE WE ARE COMBINING THOSE TWO DIVISIONS. SO WE'VE ALWAYS MANAGED THEM. WE'RE JUST COMBINING THE TWO. UH, SO THAT THEY ARE ONE ACCOUNT NUMBER FOR THINGS LIKE APPAREL, TRAINING, SALARIES, ET CETERA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO KNOW, AND COLLEEN MAY HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS THIS MORNING, IS THAT ONE OF OUR MAJOR PRIORITIES IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE AT THE MARKET RATE. SO, UM, WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO STUART. GOOD MORNING STILL. MORNING. GO THROUGH A FEW, UH, LINE ITEMS THAT HAVE CHANGED. I THINK YOU NOTICED WE'VE BEEN, LIKE MEGAN SAID, WE COMBINED PARTS AND ROAD CREW TOGETHER. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN INCREASE IN EACH ACCOUNT. UH, BUT ALSO THERE WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, INCREASE BEYOND THAT, COMBINING THOSE TWO ACCOUNTS. UH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE ITEMS. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS APPAREL. IF YOU, UH, WE'VE INCREASED THAT BY A LITTLE OVER 27%. UH, WE HAVE IN THE PAST YEAR ADDED, UH, THREE NEW EMPLOYEES, TWO TO OUR MAINTENANCE, UH, STAFF AND ONE TO ONE OF OUR CREW MEMBERS DUE TO, UH, LAKESIDE BEING, UH, COMING ON THE LINE. SO, YOU KNOW, EXTRA PAIR FOR THOSE FOLKS. UH, PLUS JUST WEAR AND TEAR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND, AND, AND, UH, COST INCREASES. UH, NEXT LINE ITEM IS GENERAL SUPPLIES, WHICH IS, UH, BASICALLY YOUR RESTROOM SUPPLIES, ANY CLEANING SUPPLIES. UM, WE BUY OUR PESTICIDES THROUGH THAT ACCOUNT. UH, AND Y'ALL PESTICIDES HAVE GONE UP THIS PAST COUPLE YEARS. SO WE ARE SPENDING, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE, MOST OF THE PESTICIDES WE USE ARE GENERALLY USE PESTICIDES OVER THE COUNTER. SO WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, BE CONSERVATIVE ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SPEND ON THAT AS FAR AS, UH, BUYING THE CHEAPEST PRODUCT BUT GET THE SAME, UH, EFFECT WHEN WE SPRAY. SO, UH, YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE IN THAT. UM, VEHICLE SUPPLIES, IT'S PRETTY MUCH STATE STATE'S, UH, LEVEL, UH, FUEL EXPENSE, UH, HAS INCREASED BY 66% DUE TO WE ARE, WE'RE NOW MOWING ABIGAIL. WE MOW THAT WITH THE TRACTORS AND OUR ZERO TURNS, UH, LAKESIDE COMING ONLINE. WE, SAME WAY WITH THAT, WE MOW, UH, WITH OUR ZERO TURNS AND OUR TRACTORS. SO THAT'S INCREASED, UH, FUEL EXPENSE. WE, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MORE TIME OUT IN THE FIELD WITH, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, WITH OUR TRACTOR CREWS MOWING. SO, UH, PLUS JUST, UH, INCREASING FUEL PRICE OVER THE YEARS. UH, STUART, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION REAL QUICK ON THAT? WE TALK ABOUT ABIGAIL'S PARK AND NOT JUST HER PART, BUT OTHER AREAS OF TOWN WHERE YOU'RE HAVING TO SUPPLEMENT THAT AND PAY MORE FOR TIME AND EQUIPMENT AND FUEL. AND I KNOW WE WENT OUT FOR BUDGET ONE TIME TO TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD THIRD PARTY THAT, UM, NOT JUST THAT, BUT IN GENERAL, HAVE WE LOOKED AT IT IN A MICRO SCALE OF SAYING, OKAY, THIS ONE PARK WE DON'T, MAYBE LAKESIDE FOR EXAMPLE, OR ARIA PARK, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO JUST DO THAT PART? SOMEBODY JUST TO GO MOW IT? CUZ YOU TALK ABOUT THE INCREASES HERE, WOULD IT SUPPLEMENT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE, I MEAN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MOWED AS OFTEN AS YOU'RE DOING THE OTHER ONES RIGHT NOW CUZ IT'S NOT PROGRAMMED. I MEAN, KEEPING IT MOWED AND LOOKING NICE, BUT NOT EVERY WEEK. CORRECT. YEAH. UM, I'M JUST THINKING, TRYING TO OUT THINK OF ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE WEARING, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IN SOME CASES THE EQUIPMENT THAT OTHERS HAVE. I, I WATCH THE SOCCER FIELDS AND THEY UH, THEY HAVE THAT BIG MOWER THAT CORRECT. IN HALF THE TIME THEY CAN DO IT AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MOWER. CORRECT. AND I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO? YEAH, I MEAN IT'S ALWAYS, I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO REDUCE THE TIME SPENT AT EACH PARK. AND I KNOW THE ROTATION, LIKE ONE OF MY CREWS THAT, THAT, UH, THEY OWED, UH, REC CENTER PD, UH, BAT AND FREEDOM AND, AND NORMALLY YOU CAN GET THAT COVERED IN A WEEK. RIGHT. AND, AND YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ADDED TO THAT, IT JUST PROLONGS THE TIME IN BETWEEN MOWING. SURE. AND WELL, LIKE THE CREW THAT [02:05:01] DOES, UH, UH, LAKESIDE RIGHT NOW, THEIR ROTATION TAKES THEM ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF WHERE NORMALLY IT WOULD'VE, IT TOOK 'EM, THEY COULD GET EVERYTHING DONE IN A WEEK. MM-HMM. . SO ADDING LAKESIDE TO THEM CREATED, YOU KNOW, MORE TIME IN BETWEEN MOWINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D GO TO, UH, BRUSHY ONCE A WEEK TO MOW. NOW IT'S MAYBE EVERY SIX OR SEVEN DAYS WE GET OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE ANOTHER CREW MOW THERE AND HIT IT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING TAKEN CARE OF. BUT, UH, BUT YES, I MEAN THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT PUTTING IN THE FUTURE. SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT MAYBE NARROWING THE FOCUS TO A CERTAIN, AND, AND, AND THE, THE MORE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DID GET A COST ON, AND I TALKED TO DUSTIN AND, AND, AND DID GET A COST ON THAT AND, UH, I MEAN IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD DEFINITELY TALK TO THE GUY, THE STAFF ABOUT IT AND THEY, THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE SOMETHING THAT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING, I MEAN IT'S $41,000 EXPENSE, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, A MOWER. THAT TO ME IS YOU KIND OF TREAT IT LIKE A TRACTOR. YES. WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA ASSIGN IT TO A CREW. YOU JUST SAY EACH CREW, HE GOES MOW KINGSFIELD, HE TAKES IT TO KINGSFIELD MO, HE GOES THE OTHER CREW THAT GOES MO SOCCER, HE TAKES IT TO SOCCER AND MOW SOCCER. YEAH. I MEAN IT WOULD JUST BE A LUXURY ITEM. NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY USE EVERY SINGLE DAY, BUT IT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I FIRST CAME ON EVERY, ALL THE, ALL THE ZERO TURNS WE HAD WERE, WERE 60 INCH CUTS AND, AND THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE ROTATED SOME OF THE OLDER MORE WE OUT, WELL WE WENT TO 90, UH, TO UH, 72 INCH CUTS AND WE'RE ABLE TO COVER MORE GROUND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. SO, BUT YEAH, I MEAN IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE WOULD WELCOME THE, THE EXTRA EQUIPMENT FOR SURE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WELL I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO IT CHEAPER BECAUSE THE TIME AND TIME'S THE SAME WAY IT WAS WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR THE QUOTES FOR THE ROAD MO YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK AND SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE SPECIFIC THINGS THOUGH, NOT IN GENERAL. RIGHT. WELL LIKE WE DEFINITELY REALIZED THE IN GENERAL LIKE KINGFIELD THAT AREA, ABIGAIL, THAT AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, FIELD, THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THE BIG OPEN SPACES DIFFERENT, SO YEAH. CAUSE I'M MOW KINGSFIELD ABOUT EVERY OTHER WEEK WITH A 54 INCH AND IT TAKES ME TWO HOURS TO DO THAT WHOLE FIELD. SO NO, DUSTIN CAME OUT THERE WITH THAT BIG ONE AND, AND YEAH, HE KNOCKED IT OUT FOR 30 MINUTES. HE WAS DONE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST SUCH A, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. WE'RE TALKING AND, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DIDN'T GET INTO THE SPECIFICS, BUT WHEN I, I GOT THE QUOTES AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WARRANTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, THOSE MOWERS LIKE THAT, THEY GOT A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, SO, OH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEFINITELY, YOUR EXPENSES ON REPAIRS AND STUFF, WERE PROBABLY GOING TO GO UP TO WITH IT. SO IT'S JUST THINGS YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES, UM, THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INCREASE IN COST OF THAT IS, UH, FROM JUST BASICALLY INCREASING COST IN THE MATERIAL THAT WE BUY WHEN WE, WE PLACE OUR, WE OUR, UH, BLADES FOR OUR MOWER, OUR, JUST OUR REGULAR GENERAL MAINTENANCE ON OUR MOWERS, UH, OIL CHANGES. UM, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO INSIDE THE PARK, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, THE, UH, THE SUPPLIES THAT WE NEED, SUPPLIES WE NEED FOR THE VEHICLES, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST REPLACING, UM, SMALL TOOLS, HAND TOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THE, UH, 3 0 5 IS OUR, UH, VEHICLES. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH STATE, STATE LEVEL. UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, INCREASED BY 8%. UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST DUE TO PRICE INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE BUY FOR THE PARKS. UH, THE BUILDING, UH, EXPENSE, PRETTY MUCH IT STAYED, STAYED THE SAME. THE, UH, 3 25 OTHER, UH, YOU SEE A, IT WENT UP TO 14,000. I THINK THAT'S A $2,000 INCREASE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THAT'S THE ACCOUNT. WE BUY OUR STREETLIGHT POLES FROM DOWNTOWN STREETLIGHT POLES, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY GET HIT, WE HAVE TO GET 'EM REPLACED. UH, THEY'VE GONE UP ROUGHLY ABOUT TWO 20, [02:10:01] $200 FROM THE LAST TIME, FROM, FROM A YEAR. THAT'S THE POLE AND THE FIXTURE. SO WE'RE PAYING 20 MILLION MORE, AND THAT'S THE CHEAPEST WE CAN FIND IT WITH THAT PARTICULAR POLE. AND THERE'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, ONE VENDOR THAT, UH, WE CAN FIND THAT DIVIDES THAT PARTICULAR POLE. SO, UH, AND NORMALLY WE HAVE TO, IN THE PAST, WE REPLACE THREE POLES A YEAR FROM BEING HIT BY VEHICLES, AND WE'D LIKE TO USUALLY KEEP ONE ON IN HAND ON HAND JUST TO BE ABLE TO MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, GET IT SWAPPED OUT REAL QUICK. AND IT USUALLY TAKES ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS TO GET THOSE, UH, POLES AND FIXTURES IN. UH, SO THE BEST INCREASE ON THAT, UM, VEGETATION EXPENSE, UM, I THINK MEGAN WOULD PROBABLY COULD SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN ME. SO IF ANY OF YOU HAVE VISITED LAKESIDE PARK, UH, IT HAS ADDED QUITE A FEW BEDS TO OUR, UH, PARK SYSTEM MAINTENANCE BEDS. AND SO WHILE WE HAVE SEVERAL SPOTS THAT ARE WALLFLOWER MAINTAINED AND WILL ONLY BE DESIGNATED AS SUCH, WE DO HAVE MANICURED LANDSCAPE. SO NOT ONLY DO WE DO THAT, BUT THE CITY MAINTAINS THE VEGETATION THAT IS HERE AT CITY HALL, UM, AS WELL AS OUR DOWNTOWN PLANTERS. SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH THINGS LIKE THE DROP THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING, HOPEFULLY RAIN WILL COME, BUT YOU CAN ALREADY SEE WE REHAB THOSE. WE TYPICALLY DO A PLANTER REFRESH TWICE A YEAR DOWNTOWN. THE VEGETATION THAT WE'VE INSTALLED MOST RECENTLY WHILE WE GO DOWN THERE AND WE WATER THOSE PLANTERS, THE VEGETATION'S ALREADY DYING. SO, UM, WE DON'T TYPICALLY SEE THAT EVERY SUMMER. UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE TRY TO PLAN FOR. SO SAME THING OUT HERE, CITY HALL, UH, LIBERTY GARDEN, THE BUTTERFLY GARDENS AT DICKEY AND PEACH, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE MAINTAIN, UH, ACTUAL LANDSCAPE MATERIAL AND HAVE TO REFRESH AS WELL AS OUR REC CENTER PLAZA. BUT THE ARC HAS AS SMALL FUND FOR, FOR THAT VEGETATION. UH, LET ME, LET ME GO BACK UP TO THREE 10. I THINK I SKIPPED THAT. YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, BELIEVE IT'S EQUIPMENT AND YOU SEE AN INCREASE, UH, SIX 60, ABOUT $6,200. UH, THE REASON FOR THAT IS CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, TWO 15 FOOT MOW DECKS THAT WE, FOR OUR TRACTORS. AND, AND ONE OF 'EM IS ROUGHLY 10 YEARS OLD, AND WE'RE GOING ON OTHER ONES GOING ON ABOUT SIX YEARS OLD. SO WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, REPAIRS THAT HAVE TO DO TO THOSE AND, UH, COMING UP, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, WEAR AND TEAR ON THE MOWERS. SO, UH, PLUS PRICE INCREASED ON THOSE PARTS. UH, WE DO HAVE A FEW OF OUR, UH, UH, ZERO TURNS THAT ARE GETTING OLDER. UH, SO WE'RE HAVING TO, UH, DO MAIN MORE MAINTENANCE, REPLACEMENT PULLEYS, UH, UM, THINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, STARTERS, BATTERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UH, THAT'S THE REASON FOR INCREASING THAT. UM, THE GOOD THING IS TWO OF OUR TRACTORS ARE NEWER TRACTORS ARE STILL UNDER THE WARRANTY, SO WE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PROBABLY GOT ABOUT A YEAR LEFT ON ONE AND TWO YEARS LEFT ON THE OTHER. SO, BUT MAINLY IT'S JUST THE, THE MORE DECKS THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE GETTING AGE AGES. UM, AND SO, UH, THE, UH, AND OUR SLOW MOWER TOO IS EIGHT YEARS OLD, AND SO WE'VE HAD TO ADD SOME, CHANGE SOME PARTS OUT ON THE, ON THE MOW DECK ON THAT ONE ALSO. UH, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD GET US A BREAKDOWN, LIKE AN EQUIPMENT LIST OF AGE AND WHAT YEAH, I, A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE FOR IT? UH, YEAH, I HAVE A, I HAVE A LIST OF ALL OUR EQUIP CHANGED AND HOURS ON IT AND ALL THAT. YEAH. I, I'VE GOT ALL THAT BE GOOD TO SEE. OKAY. UM, STUART, WHEN Y'ALL ARE SHOPPING FOR YOUR BAT WING MOWER, DO YOU TRY TO STAY WITH THE, THE SAME BRAND OR YOU YOU GO OUT TO DIFFERENT, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT BRANDS AND STUFF? YEAH, THE, THE, THE THREE WE WE HAVE NOW ARE ALL THE SAME BRAND. THEY'RE, UM, AND WE GOT TWO 15 FOOTERS AND A 10 FOOTER. AND, UH, SO ONE'S A RAPTOR, UH, UH, THE TWO, THE TWO 15 FOOTERS ARE A RAPTOR AND THE, THE 10TH FOOTER, I'M NOT SURE WHICH WHICH ONE, WHAT THAT IS, BUT THEY'RE ALL THE SAME BRAND. YES, SIR. MM-HMM. AND THAT, AND, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BEFORE ME OR BEFORE MAYBE, AND I, THEY THEY WENT WITH THAT BRAND. YEAH. SO, AND THEY'RE GOOD BRANDS. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOOD SOLID MOWERS. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUCH AS WE MOW, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR. THERE'S A LOT OF TORQUE ON THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. I, I TALKED TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT, NOT, NOT JUST IN THE MUNICIPAL END, BUT AGGIE AND THEY THOUGHT DIFFERENT [02:15:01] PEOPLE, LIKE DIFFERENT BRANDS AND STUFF, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND, UH, SO IT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT BOILS SOMETIMES IT JUST BOILS DOWN TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE, BUT WHETHER A GUY LIKES A RHINO OR WHETHER HE WANTS THE WOODS OR WHATEVER BRAND, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, TOO, WE GO OUT, I MEAN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD'VE TO GO OUT FOR QUOTES AND BIDS. IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE, AND, AND LIKE YOU SAY, YOU LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO LOOK AT REVIEWS, PEOPLE'S COMMENTS ABOUT YES, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WELL THEY HELD HOLD UP DURING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE STRESSED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. THE, UH, PHONE EXPENSE. UH, I THINK THE REASON, THE REASON INCREASING THAT IS WE TOOK IT OFF OF THE, UH, PHONE REIMBURSEMENT, PHONE REIMBURSEMENT AND ADDED IT TO THAT ACCOUNT. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE IN THAT. YEAH. SO SOME OF THESE ACCOUNTS THAT YOU'LL SEE, SOME OF THE CHANGES, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A REDUCTION IN ANOTHER LINE ITEM. LAST YEAR, PHIL HAD REQUESTED HE HAD DEPARTMENT HEADS TOGETHER TO STREAMLINE WHERE WE WERE TAKING ITEMS OUT OF, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, SOFTWARE, SOME DEPARTMENTS WERE PUTTING IT IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE. SO HE'S TRYING TO STREAMLINE THAT AND STANDARDIZE IT ACROSS THE CITY. SO INITIALLY WE HAD PHONE REIMBURSEMENT FOR OUR CREW LEADERS WHILE THEY WERE GIVEN CITY ISSUED PHONES. SO THEN THAT BECOMES A, A PHONE SOFTWARE PURCHASE FROM IT. IT COMES OUT OF A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. SO WHAT ACCOUNT WAS IT IN? IF YOU LOOK AT ONE FORTY THREE MM-HMM. PHONE ALLOWANCE. YES. THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THE ONLY PERSON THAT WE HAVE, YOU SEE A NEGATIVE 60%. YEAH. BUT THAT'S ONLY $2,000, BUT YOU'RE GOING UP 4,000 ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE WE HAVE IWORK. SO THAT, THAT LINE ITEM THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT IT CHANGED INTO IS NOT ONLY THE PHONE, UH, PAYMENT FOR OUR CREW LEADERS. WE ROLLED OUT IWORKS LAST YEAR, SO WE HAVE TO PAY OUR BASE FOR IWORKS SOFTWARE. YEAH. BUT THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MUDDIER. WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO KEEP THE SOFTWARE SEPARATE FROM THE PHONE. THE SAME IPADS THAT WERE ADDED ON AS WELL. IPAD SERVICE. YEAH, IPAD SERVICE. WAS THAT ON SOFTWARE SOFTWARE THAN A DIFFERENT ONE? OH, OKAY. HERE WE HAVE, WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? FOUR 60. THE SOFTWARE FEE? YEAH, IT HAS, OUR DETAIL HAS FOUR CREW LITER PHONES AND FIVE TABLETS WITH SERVICE. SO THE TABLETS IS HOW OUR STAFF RECEIVES THE WORK ORDERS OUT IN THE FIELD SOFTWARE. YOUR SOFTWARE IS REFLECTED, ACTUALLY, MY APOLOGIES IN, UM, FOUR 60 AND THAT IS YOUR IWORKS. UM, AND ALSO THE SFA SIGN THAT WAS JUST ADDED TO BATES PARK AND THAT BREAKDOWN IS 5,000 FOR SFA AND 5,400 PER IWORKS ANNUAL. UH, NEXT, UH, ITEM IS FOUR 40, YOUR RENTAL EXPENSE, YOU SEE A 200% INCREASE IN THAT. UM, THAT'S FROM JUST RENTING OF, WE HAVE IN THE PAST RENTED SKID STEER TO DO, UH, WORK IN THE PARKS DURING THE, DURING THE WINTER, OUR WINTER PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UH, ALSO POSSIBLY HAVING TO RENT A, UM, A, A LIFT, A JLG LIFT TO REPAIR OUR LIGHTS IN OUR BALLPARKS. THE CURRENT BUCKET OF TRUCK WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE USE IS GETTING UP IN AGE, AND WE'RE HAVING TO DO A LOT OF REPAIRS ON IT. SO WE DON'T USE IT A LOT. SO ANYTIME WE GO OUT TO GET IN AND TO USE IT, IT MAY BE BROKE DOWN. WE MAY HAVE TO FIX SOMETHING ON IT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE BRAKES, WITH THE AIR BRAKES ON IT. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A CHEAP EXPENSE TO, TO FIX. WE THINK THE, UH, THE PUMPS OUT, THE AIR PUMPS OUT ON IT. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, [02:20:01] THIS THE 60 FOOT, 70 FOOT JLG, UM, JUST TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR BALL FIELD LIGHTS. BUT YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON IF THE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CURRENT VEHICLES WORKING OR NOT. SO STEWART, IT COULD BE REDUCED IF THE DECISION PACKAGES. YEAH, WE HAVE A DEC, ONE OF THE DECISION PACKAGES IS FAR A SKID STEER. SO IF WE COULD WE DO GO, UH, GET THAT APPROVED, THEN THIS WOULD REDUCE THE, THE POSSIBLE COST OF THIS, UH, UH, ACCOUNT. WHERE IS THAT REFLECTED? UH, THE, UH, IN THE PACKAGE? 6 25? NO, SIR. DECISION PACKAGES ARE SEPARATE FROM THE BASE BUDGET. YEAH. AND SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE ALL YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, BILL MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK. I THINK IT'S DECISION PACKAGE NINE. UM, BUT IT'S A WHOLE, IT'S ANOTHER SECTION. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CAPITAL REQUESTS IN A TYPICAL CODE BECAUSE WELL, WE HAVE PACKAGES COLUMN IN HERE. YES, SIR. SO IT SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN HERE. CORRECT. WHICH LINE? UH, WE DON'T HAVE REFERENCE TO THAT. YOUR, IT'S NOT IN THE, THE ACCOUNTS THAT WE HAVE HERE, THOSE ARE THE DECISION PACKAGE THAT'S NOT IN HERE. YOU'LL SEE IT, UH, REFLECTED IN, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW. SORRY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS PLATFORM. 6 25 IS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE REFLECTED. AND WHAT WE HAVE IS IT'S PHASED. SO THIS IS A LEASE TO OWN. SO THIS WOULD BE, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY TO PURSUE IT, UH, RATHER THAN AN OUTRIGHT PURCHASE. SO IT WOULD BE YEAR ONE, YOU WOULD BE PAYING 20,954 AGAIN THE SECOND YEAR AND THIRD YEAR YOU PURCHASE IT OUTRIGHT. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, TO SCOTTY EARLIER ABOUT THE LEASE PURCHASE. BUT SO THIS WOULD BE A THREE YEAR, WELL, ACTUALLY IT'D BE A FIVE YEAR, IT'S A FIVE YEAR FIVE YEAR LEASE. IT'S A MUNICIPALITY LEASE. AND YOU, YOU PAY THE, THE, THE 20,000, WHAT IS IT, 9 54 A YEAR AND THEN AT, AT THE FIFTH YEAR, EITHER IF YOU WANT TO PURCHASE IT, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE OR YOU PAY 'EM A DOLLAR. OKAY. AND THEN IT'S YOURS OR YOU CAN TRADE IN, GET A NEW ONE AND START IT ALL OVER AGAIN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A FIVE YEAR LEASE. THEY DO HAVE, THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING. THEY DO HAVE A, UH, A, UH, I GOT ALL THE INFORMATION HERE. 15 . YEAH. I MEAN THEY DO HAVE A, A THREE YEAR LE OR TWO YEAR LEASE FOR, UH, AND WE MIGHT HAVE HAD IN THE DECISION PACKAGE THE THREE YEAR, I THINK SCOTTY WITH, UH, WHO WAS OUR REP, JUST TALKED TO US ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL ONE. SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE PER YEAR IN YOUR DECISION PACKAGE. YES, IT'S A PER YEAR. IS MAINTENANCE COVERED UNDER THAT, PLEASE? YES. YES, SIR. YEAH. THE, THE FIVE YEAR PURCHASE ON AFTER FIVE YEARS IS 20,549 A YEAR. YOU PAY THAT LUMP SUM AND AFTER FIVE YEARS, YOU JUST PAY 'EM A DOLLAR. THEN THEY HAVE A TWO YEAR, THAT'S, UH, 20,953. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. AFTER TWO YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA PAY 59,000. WHAT WAS THE OTHER AMOUNT? THE, THE FIVE YEAR, WHAT WAS IT? THE FIVE YEARS IS, IS 20,000, 5 49 MAKES SENSE. THE THIRD YEAR YOU'RE PAYING MORE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WAS THE BOTTOM LINE DIFFERENCE FROM THE FIVE YEAR TO THE THREE, THE FIVE YEAR, YEAR, THE TOTAL LEASE AMOUNT, THE, THE TOTAL. I MEAN, IF YOU TO BUY IT OUTRIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA PAY ABOUT $90,000. YEAH. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PAY ABOUT WHAT'S 20,000 TIMES, YOU KNOW, 20,005 TIMES FIVE WHAT I'M PAYING. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S FROM INTEREST RATE, THEIR, THEIR EXPENSES AS FAR AS LEASE, LEASE MAINTENANCE, LEASE EXPENSES, IS WHAT HE, HOW HE EXPLAINED IT TO ME. SO, BUT, UH, IT IS FRUSTRATING THAT WE HAVE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SITTING OVER THERE THAT WE DON'T TRUST, CAN'T USE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PAY MONEY TO RENT A JLG TO DO OUR LIGHTS AND WELL, SO FAR WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT YET. SO DOES PUBLIC WORKS NOT HAVE A SKID STEER? YEAH, THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THEIRS, I MEAN, UH, IS IS, IS THIS THE ONE WE'RE LE WANTING TO LEASE? IS, IS TRACKS. THEY, THEY HAVE THE TIRES ON THEIRS AND WE END UP, WE GET STUCK QUITE A BIT CAUSE WE HAVE TO GO OFF THE ROAD A LOT TO WHERE THEY USE IT ON THE ROAD A LOT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE REASON PLUS, WE'RE ABLE TO, WE CAN USE THIS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR AND, UH, WITH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE, WE SCHEDULE WITH THEM. THEY'RE GOOD. I MEAN THEY'RE, WE'RE GOOD ABOUT SWAPPING IT OUT, LETTING US USING STUFF. BUT A LOT OF IT'S JUST GETTING OFF THE ROAD AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT. CAUSE WE HAVE STUFF QUITE A FEW TIMES AND RUNNING UP THE, RUNNING UP THE, THE, THE PARK AND AREAS THAT WE'RE USING IN. SO [02:25:03] THAT'S THE MAIN, THE MAIN REASON WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT IN THE BUDGET. UH, BUT YES, IF, IF, IF THAT HAPPENS, THE, THE RENT RENTAL EXPENSE ACCOUNT WILL REDUCE FROM THAT. BUT, UH, UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER PACKAGES, UH, THAT WE HAVE THE BASE FREEDOM FIELD, UH, LIGHTS, THAT'S THE, THE CONTROLS THAT, UH, THAT AUTOMATION FOR THE LIGHTING LIKE WE HAVE ON FIELD FIVE. THIS WOULD BE TO, UH, FINISH OUT BATES PARK AND INSTALL IT AT FREEDOM PARK. UH, TO BE ABLE, SO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WANNA NOTE AS WE MOVE INTO THE DECISION PACKAGES IS WE HAVE RANKED 'EM IN PRIORITY ORDER. UH, STAFF HAS, UM, NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AND NUMBER FOUR HAS BEEN ADDRESSED THROUGH DIFFERENT CITY COUNCIL, JUST APPROVED ABA PHASE ONE BE PAID BY PARKLAND FEES AND A BLC AGREED TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL, UH, COSTS NEEDED FOR BG P LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT. SO YOU CAN REMOVE THOSE TWO ITEMS FROM THE DECISION PACKAGE ONE IN FOUR. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS YOU GET INTO THIS, SO THE, THE PAD WOULD COVER ALL OUR FIELD ACCOUNTS, SCHEDULE THE, UH, LIGHTS HERE IN PRACTICES, UH, KEEP HAVING LEAST THE FIELD OUT. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND, AND MANUALLY TURN 'EM ON. YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEBODY GO OUT THERE, UH, TO TURN 'EM ON TO THE RENTAL PEOPLE. SO IT COULD BE SCHEDULED, UH, UH, THROUGH THE SOFTWARE TO HAVE, HAVE THEM COME ON AND TURN OFF. UM, THE, UH, BASE MASTER PLAN, UH, NO, I DON'T THINK HERE USED THIS ORDER. THE 80, UH, OKAY. THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN 52,900. THAT WILL, THAT'S JUST A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR. UM, UH, BG P FIELD LIGHTING, THAT'S TO ADD ADD LIGHTING TO THE, UH, EXISTING FIELDS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. HOW MANY FIELDS ARE WE GETTING OUTTA THAT IN THEORY? IN IN WHICH ONE? THE, THE VG P FIELD LIGHTER. UH, I THINK IT'S JUST ONE FIELD. IS IT THE THIRD FIELD? THERE'S THE THREE BIG FIELDS ON THE BACK, ON THE, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. FARTHEST BIG. YEP. WOULD YOU USE UTILIZE THE SAME POLE? WOULD WE JUST BE ADDING LIGHTS AND PUTTING A HEADSET ON THE FACE THAT NOW THE OPPOSITE SIDE? I THINK YOU WOULD, I THINK YOU WOULD. IT WOULD ALL BE NEW POLES. YEAH. CAUSE THERE'S NO POLES ON THE WEST SIDE. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S, THERE IS A POLE ON THE EAST SIDE BETWEEN IT AND THE FIELD. RIGHT. BUT I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOO FAR. THERE'S TOO FAR AWAY. YEAH. YOU GOT SEPARATION THERE. YOU GOT, SO YOU HAVE THE FIELD ON THE NORTH EAST CORNER, WHICH HAS LIGHTS ON BOTH SIDES FIELD. THE SECOND FIELD HAS LIGHTS SHINING THIS WAY, BUT THERE'S NONE THIS WAY. RIGHT. AH, I SEE. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU PUT THE POLES SHINE THAT WAY AND SHINE TO THAT THIRD FIELD. THE WAY I WAS THE, THEY WERE WANTING LIGHT, THE, THE, THE FIELD NEXT TO IT IS THERE, THE POLE IS TOO FAR AWAY. YOU WOULDN'T OKAY. YOU WOULDN'T GET THE, WOULD YOU PUT IT ON THE LEFT SIDE? WHERE'D YOU PUT IT IN BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FIELD THERE? I PUT IT BETWEEN WE CAN MAXIMIZE. YEAH, I MEAN, JUST LOOK, JUST CONFIGURATION OF WHERE THE POWER'S COMING FROM AND, AND, UH, WHERE THE FIELDS ARE. I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE SAME, SAME COST. YOU, I MEAN, JUST A LIGHT OF FIELD, JUST LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, FIELD FIVE AT BATES, I MEAN, IT WAS 150,000. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, 170,000, YOU KNOW, AND THE POWERS JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. SO I MEAN IT'S, PLUS IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, THE LENGTHS AND STUFF FROM THE WHERE, WHERE YOU GOTTA, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE LOT OF COST, JUST GETTING POWER TO THAT LOCATION. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE ADEQUATE TRANSFORMER CAPACITY OUT THERE AT BG UH, P OR YOU GOTTA UPGRADE THAT OR DO YOU KNOW? YEAH, I WOULD, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD GO INTO THE, THE CONFIGURATION OF [02:30:01] LIGHTS OUT THERE ARE ANCIENT, I WOULD DOUBT. UH, YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE LOAD CAPACITY OUT THERE. MM-HMM. . CAUSE CUZ THOSE LIGHTS THAT RIGHT. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW ARE FEEDING OFF A DIFFERENT, UH, SET OF TRANSFORMERS THAN WHAT THE ACTUAL SAY THE CONCESSION STAND IS. YES. CONCESSION STAND IS A SINGLE PHASE AND THE MM-HMM. , THE LIGHTS ARE THREE PHASE. SO YEAH, SO THE PARK SMALL EQUIPMENT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF A ZERO TURN MOWER THAT WE HAVE. UH, WE HAVE TWO OF 'EM THAT ARE CURRENTLY, ONE OF IS EIGHT YEARS OLD AND ONE OF 'EM IS 10 YEARS OLD. AND THE 10 YEAR OLD ONE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING SOME, UH, WE CHECK THE COMPRESSION ON, WE'RE LOSING COMPRESSION ON ONE CYLINDER. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THIS IN, UH, IS TO HAVE THAT, THAT ONE REPLACED. UH, THOUGHT WE WERE ON A PROGRAM WHERE I THOUGHT PAST YEARS WE DISCUSSED ALMOST DOING AN ANNUAL REPLACEMENT, CONFUSING ALL THE PARKS OR MEAN WITH, UH, YEAH, I THINK THE LAST, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE REPLACED, UH, WE WEREN'T BUDGET WAS LAST YEAR, BUT EVERY YEAR WE'VE HAD IT AT LEAST ONE LOWER REPLACED. SO WE DIDN'T DO IT ONE LAST YEAR. YEAR, CORRECT. CORRECT. WHATEVER YEAR BEFORE THAT. YEAH. YEAH, WE SKIPPED LAST YEAR. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S FOR, UH, REPLACING AN AGING MOWER. UH, UH, WE HAVE A, A TRAILER, UH, IN, IN GOING FROM A 16 FOOT TO A 20 FOOT TRAILER. WE HAVE ONE, OUR ROAD CREW HAS THREE CREW MEMBERS RIGHT NOW. AND SO WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED, WE ONLY HAVE, HE ONLY HAS A 16 FOOT TRAILER, SO WE, IT'S ONLY CAPABLE OF CARRYING TWO ZERO TURNS. SO, UH, WE'RE EITHER HAVING, YOU KNOW, NOT TO TAKE A A ZERO TURN TO THE JOB SITE OR, UH, IF ANOTHER ONE OF OUR SPARE TRUCKS IS AVAILABLE, HE HOOKS A TRAILER TO IT AND TAKES IT OVER THERE. SO WE JUST WANTED TO UPGRADE TO A 20 FOOT TRAILER FROM A 16 FOOT AND THEN THE 16 FOOT TRAILER. I THINK IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE IF WE COULD SHARE IT WITH PAR, UH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS IF THEY EVER NEEDED IT. JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT AS A, UH, UM, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, NEEDED IT TO USE IT. SO ABIGAIL PARK, THE, UH, 450,000 IS A 15% OF THE THREE, $3 MILLION, UH, FOR THE, UH, UH, DESIGN. YEAH, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. DESIGN DEVELOPMENT HAS 50% OVER THE 3 MILLION. SO, UH, TECH DOT, SO ON THE TECH DOT MULTIMODAL TRAILS, UH, MULTIMODAL MOD TRAIL AND OR TRAILS MASTER PLAN, EXCUSE ME. WHEN WE SUBMITTED THAT BUDGET, BUDGET APPLICATION, TEXDOT INCLUDED A ENGINEERING FEE ON THEIR END, WHICH IMPACTED THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT WE REQUESTED FROM A B L C. AND SO A B L C HAS COMMITTED 20,000 AS THE 20% INITIALLY FOR THE 20% THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THAT MATCH. UM, BUT DUE TO THE ADDED COST, THAT TEXT GOT INCLUDED IN THEIR CALCULATION FOR THAT GRANT SUBMISSION. WE ARE SHORT $10,000, SO WE HAVE THAT IN HERE AS A PARK RELATED ITEM. IF IT'S NOT BUDGETED, WE'LL BE GOING BACK TO A B L C FOR THE ADDITIONAL 2000. UH, IF WE ARE AWARDED THE GRANT, AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE SUBMITTED FOR THE GRANT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PRODUCT. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS, IS ACTUALLY THE SKID STEER THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER. UM, BUT I THINK THIS ONE REFLECTS THE, UH, THE TWO YEAR LEASE, WHICH WE'LL CHANGE IT TO THE FIVE-YEAR LEASE. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE BATES FREEDOM FIELD LIGHTING. UM, THAT'S THE ONE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ABOUT, UH, SOFTWARE TO CONTROL THE LIGHTING. UM, DIY PARK MASTER PLAN, UM, 700, UH, $70,000. UM, THE PARK PASSIVE AREA AND A B L C BUDGETED FOR THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT OF FREEDOM PARK PASSIVE AREA. THAT'S THE AREA THAT CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT IS ESTIMATING CURRENTLY IN THAT NORTHERN FREEDOM TRACK. SO THIS IS THE ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST THAT WE HAVE FROM BURETT WHO IS WORKING ON THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY. AND SO WE ARE JUST INCLUDING IT IN HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PURSUE A T P W GRANT. [02:35:01] SO WE DO, I BELIEVE, HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON YOUR, UM, IN, IN THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE. IF NOT, WE COULD GO OUT AND POTENTIALLY BE AWARDED UP TO $300,000 IF WE WERE AWARDED THAT GRANT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S A GRANT, COMPETITIVE GRANT PROCESS. SO, UM, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. SO THAT IS CURRENTLY THE ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE HAD BERT DO AND WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO NOW? CUZ THEY BASICALLY GAVE US, SO WHAT BURETT DID ORIGINALLY WAS A MASTER PLAN FOR FREEDOM PARK. YES. WHEN YOU GO INTO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION SET OF PLANS. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO DO THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE IN THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE. SO WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO IS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE, ESSENTIALLY THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WILL THEN GO OUT FOR BID FOR CONTRACTORS TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY DO THE CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS THE COST OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. SO THE COST OF THE ACTUAL, I'M JUST GONNA CALL 'EM CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS OR DESIGN DEVELOPMENT WAS ABOUT $64,000, WHICH A PLC APPROVED LAST YEAR. RIGHT. SO THIS IS ACTUAL PUTTING, PUTTING 670,000. THIS IS COMPLETED COMPLETES IT. THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY BUILDS IT OUT. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS A STRATEGIC PARK AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN UPDATE. SO THIS ONE, IT IS, UH, NOT UNCOMMON EVERY FIVE YEARS TO UPDATE YOUR MASTER PLAN. THIS COMING YEAR WILL BE OUR FIFTH YEAR WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. AND SO WE'RE INCLUDING IT IN THERE AS A, UH, OUR, OUR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION. SO WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH OUR FOUR YEARS, WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED QUITE A BIT IN THOSE FOUR YEARS, BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, YOUR MID-RANGE AND YOUR LONG RANGE SOMETIMES CHANGES AFTER FIVE YEARS. IT MAY NEED TO BE REFINED. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN WOULD DO. UH, THE GS G GIS PARK OVERLAY, UH, THE, YEAH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM. UH, CHRIS HAD ASKED US TO LOOK INTO WAYS TO INCLUDE TECHNOLOGY INTO OUR PARK SYSTEM. THIS IS AN AMAZING WAY TO DO THAT. UH, THIS WOULD BE A VERY IN DEPTH OVERLAY GIS OVERLAY. WHAT IT WOULD DO IS WE CURRENTLY HAVE GIS AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR PARKS ARE. THEY ISOLATE THEM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. BUT WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IDENTIFY ALL OF OUR PARK AMENITIES. IT YOU CAN DO A DROP IN THE GIS MAPPING AND ACTUALLY GET A VISUAL, A 360 VISUAL OF PARK AMENITIES. SO IF SOMEONE'S RENTING OR WANTS TO RENT A PAVILION AT DICKEY PARK AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE OR DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, OR THEY WANNA SEE WHAT THE PARK LOOKS LIKE, THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A VISUAL OF ALL OF OUR PARK AMENITIES. AND IT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS ALL THE PARK AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR EXISTING COMPLEX. SO, UH, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITIES THAT WE COULD REFER YOU TO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT, UH, INTO FURTHER. BUT THAT'S HOW WE WOULD INTEGRATE SOME ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD HELP OUR RESIDENTS. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE BATES PARKING LOT, UH, FUNDING. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST ABOUT PUTTING IN A NEW PARKING LOT THERE WHERE THE CULVERS WERE INSTALLED. I THOUGHT IT'S DEAD . I THOUGHT THAT WE, UH, OUR LAST MEETING OR ONE OF THE LAST MEETINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TABLING THIS UNTIL THERE WAS A MASTER PLAN COMMITTED THAT WAS A V L C. OH, I'M SORRY. SO, SO WE WERE BUILDING THE BUDGET WHILE WE WERE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND SO WE, I RECOMMENDED JUST PUTTING IT IN THERE AS A VISIBILITY THING ORIGINALLY, SO IT'LL GET REMOVED. OKAY. IS THAT, YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AT SOME POINT, BUT I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE IT FITS WITHIN THE OVERALL PLAN. IT WAS A GOOD IDEA AT $22,000 . THAT'S ABOUT IT. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE BATES, UH, SHADE COVERING FOR THE BALL FIELDS. UM, I'M INTERESTED THE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE HAD AT FREEDOM, JUST FOR THE FACT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER WITH THE, THE BLEACHERS OVER THERE A LITTLE BIT, UH, BIGGER THAN WHAT WE HAD AT FREEDOM. SO, UH, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WOULD THIS BE ENOUGH TO COVER FIELDS THREE, FOUR AND FIVE? OR JUST THREE OR FOUR? NO, THIS IS, UH, 3 45. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT DIDN'T WE, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE, WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS OUT OF A B, C. DIDN'T WE SAY WE WERE GONNA FUND SOME OF THAT? SO A B, C WANTED THAT TO COME BACK IN JULY. SO THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE JULY MEETING. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT WE WILL HAVE, ONE [02:40:01] THING I WANNA MENTION IS THE COMMITTED PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, CURRENTLY YOU'RE ALREADY AT YOUR CONTINGENCY AMOUNT, SO YOU WOULD BE HITTING YOUR FUND BALANCE IN A B O C. UH, BUT WE'RE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT JULY 24TH. BUT WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO COME BACK? YOU WANTED TO COME BACK BECAUSE YOU KILLED THE PARKING, BUT WANTED TO HAVE THE PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE A VLC DID NOT BELIEVE THE, THE DESIGN OF THE FIELDS WOULD BE IMPACTED BY A MASTER PLAN. AND SO ADDING THE SHADE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE NOW. OKAY. BUT DIDN'T WE ASK FOR PRICING OF, OF PER FIELD ALSO IN CASE WE WANTED TO ROLL IT THROUGH? I DON'T RECALL THAT. I REMEMBER SAYING THAT WE ALREADY HAD THE PROPOSAL FOR, FOR ALL OF THOSE AREAS SO THAT WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. BUT I, I MEAN WE CAN, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A QUOTE ITEMIZED. I THINK IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE BETWEEN EACH, EACH FIELD. CORRECT. I THINK THAT ALL I HAVE. DO Y'ALL ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, STUART. THANK YOU STUART. YEAH, THANK YOU. I THINK THAT TAKES US INTO A B L C, IS THAT CORRECT, PHIL? YES. OKAY. AND THAT SHOULD BE ON PAGE 45. YES. AND SO WHAT WE DID FOR REVENUES FOR A B L C IS WE TOOK THE ACTUAL FROM FISCAL YEAR 2022, UH, BILL, WE TYPICALLY HISTORICALLY HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE OF 8% IN HALF-CENT SALES TAX. UM, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS GOING TO MEET THE 9%. SO WE HAVE UTILIZED 9% INCREASE, UM, FROM LAST YEAR. SO THAT BRINGS US TO A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION IN ANTICIPATED SALES TAX REVENUE. WE KEPT THE OTHER FEES PRETTY MUCH THE SAME HERE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR REVENUE TO MEGAN? IT, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT WE DISCUSSED UP FRONT. YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE AS A CITY TO ADJUST SALES TAX, IF WE GO UP TO 10% OR 11 OR SOMETHING, THEN WE'LL, Y'ALL SEEM TO GO BACK AND ADJUST, RIGHT? WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST THESE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I'LL GO INTO OUR EXPENSE. SO ONE THING RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT I WANNA MENTION WITH RESPECT TO THE EXPENSE IS WE IN YEARS PAST A B L C HAS COVERED A PORTION OF THE PARKS PERSONNEL, SPECIFICALLY THE PERSONNEL SECTION. UM, YEAR AFTER YEAR STAFF HAS BEEN ASKED TO REDUCE THAT PERCENTAGE. HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR MENTIONED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THAT PERCENTAGE TO FALL BELOW 25%. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE, AS YOU RECALL EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, PARKS AND RIGHT OF WAY HAVE COMBINED. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE A INCREASE IN PERSONNEL SERVICES OVERALL. UH, BUT WHAT WE DID WAS REDUCE IT, IT WAS 30%. THIS YEAR WE HAVE PROPOSED A REDUCTION TO 25%, WHICH WE WOULD STAY AT. AND UH, THIS NUMBER ISN'T, I, I THINK PHIL MADE SOME CORRECTIONS TO PARK'S PERSONNEL RECENTLY. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT LINE ITEM 7 0 1 IN EXPENSE TRANSFER TO GENERAL FUND, THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO DOWN TO 339,347, WHICH IMPACTS WHAT WE DO TO BALANCE OUR A V L C EXPENSE AND REVENUE IS WE PUT THAT MONEY INTO A CONTINGENCY FUND. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT LINE ITEM FIVE 20 A V L C CONTINGENCY, THAT WILL THEN INCREASE THAT LINE ITEM TO 261,982. AND THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE WORK WITH FOR PARK AND RECREATION PROJECTS. WHEN WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING IN OCTOBER, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO A B L C, WE WILL HAVE A LIST OF PROPOSED PROJECTS TO TAKE TO THE CORPORATION THAT THEY WILL THEN BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS FOR. THE NUMBER YOU MENTIONED ISN'T WHAT'S REFLECTED HERE. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHY I'M GIVING YOU THOSE NUMBERS IS BECAUSE, UH, PHIL MADE SOME CHANGES THIS PAST CHANGES YEAH. WEEK. AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD YOUR, YOUR CONTINGENCY LINE ITEM HAS INCREASED. THE TRANSFER TO GENERAL FUND HAS DECREASED, UM, BUT ALL OTHER ITEMS ARE THE SAME. SO YOU'LL SEE THE TRANSFER [02:45:01] TO THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER AND IN SEVEN 60 AND THE TRANSFERRED TO THE RECREATION OPERATION DIVISION IN 7 61. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A V L C, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AS FAMILIAR, A V L C SUBSIDIZES OUR ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER OPERATIONS, BUT IT ALSO SUBSIDIZES OUR RECREATION DIVISION. TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. THINK OF THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER STRICTLY AS A FACILITY AND HOW, AND WHAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE THAT FACILITY VERSUS SPECIAL EVENTS, OUTDOOR PROGRAMS, THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE INSIDE THE FACILITY BUT ALSO ARE DONE OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY. IN YEARS PAST THESE TWO DIVISIONS WERE COMBINED. UH, LAST YEAR WE SEPARATED THEM SO THAT A B L C COULD SEE EXACTLY WHERE THEIR TRANSFERS WERE GOING. UM, I BELIEVE HISTORICALLY I LOOKED BACK SINCE THE FACILITY WAS OPEN BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ON HOW MUCH A BLC WAS SUBSIDIZING. BUT IT IS BECAUSE THE RECREATION DIVISION, SINCE THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER OPENED, UM, THE REC DIVISION GREW. SO AS IT WAS GROWING A L C WAS SUBSIDIZING THIS OTHER DIVISION, UM, THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY PART OF THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER. SO TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT, WE SEPARATED THOSE INTO TWO DIVISIONS. BUT YOU STILL HAVE A SUBSIDY, THEY BOTH HAVE REVENUE GENERATING, UH, PROGRAMS OR SERVICES. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT RECREATION PROGRAMS, THERE'S A CROSS RECOVERY MODEL THAT WE'VE ADOPTED. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WON'T SEE IS A CROSS RECOVERY ARE COMMUNITY SPECIAL EVENTS. NOT ALL OF 'EM. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD OUR, OUR, UH, DOGGY EGG HUNT, THAT WAS A FREE EVENT TO THE PUBLIC, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT TO IT WAS A SERVICE. UM, SAME THING. CITY COUNCIL, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE COST RECOVERY MODEL, DID NOT WANT A COST RECOVERY EXPECTATION FOR SENIOR PROGRAMS. SO YOU WILL NOT SEE REVENUE BEING BROUGHT IN OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL COSTS OF THOSE PROGRAMS. YOU WON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, 150% RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 0%. SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE SUBSIDY IN IN A B L C. SO I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE WHEN WE LOOK AT A B L C AND THE, UM, DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA FINISH THIS YEAR WITH RESPECT TO A B L C RE REGARDING SALES TAX BEING UP OVER WHAT WE FORECASTED? RIGHT. I, I WOULD DEFER TO FILL ON THAT EXPECTATION. I BELIEVE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT COMMUNICATION THAT WE'VE HAD, THEY'RE EXPECTING AN OVERALL ANNUAL INCREASE OF NINE, WHICH IS WHY WE BUDGETED NINE. BUT I'LL DEFER TO FILL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHEET WRAP THAT I'VE GOT UP HERE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT. THE WE'RE ESTIMATING AN INCREASE OF A RIGHT UNDER $40,000 OVER BUDGET. CORRECT. SO, UH, THAT WAS BASED ON THE MAY SALES TAX FIGURES. MM-HMM. . SO THAT IS WHY, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. UH, YEAH. AND THE EXPENSES ARE GOING DOWN. BUDGETED WAS 1.85 AND YOU'RE ESTIMATED FINISH THIS YEAR AT 180 3. AND SO WHAT I'M AT, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THE OVERAGE, DO YOU HAVE, IS THAT GOING TO FUND BALANCE TO IT SHOULD. THAT WAS THE DESIGN. WE DON'T PLAN TO, THAT MONEY'S NOT SPENT ANYWHERE UNLESS A B L C SPENDS OVER THEIR CONTINGENCY. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING FOR. RIGHT. CAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE, RIGHT. HOW TO GET THAT DONE. RIGHT. THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD GONE BACK AND A BLC INTENTIONALLY SAID, GO BACK WITH THE EXACT SAME NUMBER. RIGHT. YOU BUDGETED LAST YEAR FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE THE EXPECTATION WAS WE'RE SEEING AN 8% YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE, SO WE SHOULD BE BANKING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT INCREASE IF YOU WILL. YEAH. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED AT THE 9%. AND AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK TO EIGHT, WE CAN ADJUST THAT HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE. I FEEL THOUGH WE ARE SITTING FAIRLY HEALTHY, EVEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO EIGHT BECAUSE YOUR CONTINGENCY LINE ITEM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM LAST YEAR, HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY, AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO EIGHT, WELL YES, THAT WILL IMPACT THE NUMBERS. YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE LESS CONTINGENCY TO WORK WITH. YEAH. I'M JUST THINKING WHICH COULD BUILD YOUR FUND BALANCE IF IT, IF WE PERFORM BETTER THAN [02:50:01] EXPECTED. BUT IT ALSO COMMUNICATES TO THE BOARD THAT THEY HAVE LESS FUNDS TO ADDRESS THESE PROJECTS MENTIONED. AND THESE AREN'T THE ONLY PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE MENTIONED PARK PROJECTS, WE HAVEN'T EVEN ADDRESSED THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER YET. SO NO. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OVER A B L C? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO THE RECREATION DIVISION IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. IT MAY BE THE VERY LAST TAB. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. HI. SO WE'LL HEAD STRAIGHT INTO, UH, REVENUES FIRST. SO SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT I WANT TO MENTION HERE ARE IN REGARDS TO GENERAL PROGRAMS. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INCREASE THERE. AND SO WHAT WE WANNA I WANNA HIT ON IS, UM, TALK ABOUT I NINE SPORTS A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE HADN'T ANTICIPATED THIS YEAR HAVING A, UM, HIGHER PARTICIPATION NUMBERS WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH I NINE SPORTS. YOU HAVE OR HAD NOT? WE ANTICIPATED. OKAY. BUT WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE HAD LOW PARTICIPATION NUMBERS, UM, THIS PAST YEAR WITH THEM. UM, WE'VE HAD TO CANCEL A TOTAL OF EIGHT PROGRAMS, WHICH HAS INCLUDED, UM, THREE LEAGUES, INCLUDING THIS SUMMER'S, UH, VOLLEYBALL LEAGUE, AND ALSO, UM, FLAG FOOTBALL. UH, WE HAVE ALSO WORKED WITH THEM. WE'VE PUT FLYERS IN SCHOOLS, WE'VE PUT UM, BOOSTED POSTS ON FACEBOOK. WE'VE PUT FLYERS OUT AT THE REC CENTER. WE'VE SENT EMAILS IN REGARDS TO PAST PARTICIPANTS OF PAST PROGRAMS. UM, AND HONESTLY, WE'VE SEEN MORE PARTICIPATION INCREASE IN OUR OWN PERSONAL PROGRAMS THAT WE DO IN-HOUSE, UH, INCREASE WITH THOSE EMAILS VERSUS WITH I NINE SPORTS. SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RUN, RUN OUR OWN IN-HOUSE, UH, VOLLEYBALL SPRING, SUMMER VOLLEYBALL LEAGUE NEXT YEAR. AND, UM, THAT THE TAF, IS THAT THE TAF? YES SIR. IS THAT WHAT LIKE JACKSON UNION'S LICENSE? YES. COULD WE CO COORDINATE WITH THEM TO, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. UM, WHICH WOULD, OF COURSE WE WOULD PART WAYS WITH I NINE SPORTS. UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE, I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE EXECUTION, HONESTLY. UM, AS KIDS, HAVING KIDS THAT ARE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, THE TIMING OF SOME OF THE LEAGUES MM-HMM. WASN'T CONDUCIVE TO KIDS DOING OTHER STUFF. CORRECT. UM, THAT WAS A PROBLEM. UM, I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL ME THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT I NINE. THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE CITY WAS GOING THROUGH THIS AND DOING, EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE, YOU'RE PROBABLY SCREAMING IN THE WIND , BUT NOBODY'S HEARING YOU. UM, I DON'T KNOW A BETTER WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT. UM, BUT I, I WOULD THINK SOMETHING WITH PARTNERSHIPS IN THE PARKS, CUZ THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S THE KIDS THAT ARE PLAYING MOST LIKELY MM-HMM. . UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF BECAUSE FACEBOOK POSTS DON'T ALWAYS REACH PEOPLE. AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I'LL MENTION JUST AS A PARTICIPANT, UH, MY DAUGHTER PARTICIPATED IN PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST CAMPS IN VOLLEYBALL LEAGUES. UM, I THINK A LOT, THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID FOR, UH, PRESENTATION AND EXPECTATION AND COMMUNICATION AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE THINK INTERNALLY. THAT'S WHY OUR PROGRAMS ARE, WE'RE SEEING MORE OF A RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE PARENT PACKETS AND COMMUNICATIONS AND CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION ON WHAT IS EXPECTED. IF SOMETHING IS CANCELED DUE TO WEATHER OR WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, AS A PARENT AND A PARENT COACH, I DID NOT RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION. UM, SO YOU'RE, IT'S A LOT OF THAT YOU'RE, UH, THE EXPECTATION WASN'T NECESSARILY MET. AND SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'D HAVE BETTER SUCCESS, UH, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A PLATFORM DEVELOPED AND, UH, I AGREE MEETING THE PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE, TALKING TO OTHER PARENTS THAT HAVE KIDS PLAYING OTHER SPORTS AND, AND SUITING IT TO THAT SCHEDULE SO THAT IT FITS APPROPRIATELY. I, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT. AND THEN, UM, ALSO ON, SO YOU'LL SEE ON COMMUNITY SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, IT INCREASES THAT WE THEN HAVE A DECREASE ON HEALTH AND WELLNESS, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE MOVED OUR, [02:55:01] UM, YOU FUND RUN TO SPECIAL EVENTS AND OUT OF HEALTH AND WELLNESS. UM, AND OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S AN INCREASE ON SENIOR PROGRAMS, BUT WE'LL GET INTO JUST BECAUSE OF LOOKING AT MORE OFFERINGS. UM, SO JUMPING INTO THE EXPENDITURES AREAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS YOU'LL SEE A DECREASE IN OFFICE SUPPLIES THERE JUST BECAUSE WE FEEL WE UTILIZE MORE GENERAL SUPPLIES, CRAFT SUPPLIES, CAMP SUPPLIES, MORE SO THAN OFFICE SUPPLIES. UM, WHICH YOU'LL SEE. UM, SO MOVING INTO UH, GENERAL PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE AN INCREASE, UM, ON SPENDING THERE WITH GENERAL PROGRAMS OF ABOUT 300%. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE HAVE OFFERED THIS PAST YEAR. WE USUALLY WOULD PUT THEM IN THE FOUR 18 EXPENDITURE ACCOUNT, 55 0 6, UH, 14. AND THOSE WERE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE DID A SYSTEM WITH. WE WOULD TRY THEM OUT IF THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL. WE MOVED THEM INTO THE GENERAL PROGRAMS ACCOUNT. UM, AND SO WE TRIED A VARIETY OF THINGS THERE WITHIN OUR FIRST YEAR OF OUR NEW DIVISION. AND UM, WE HAD A MULTITUDE OF THOSE SUCH AS WILD KITTENS, TINY GYM, UM, A VARIETY OF MANY ATHLETES, UM, AR UH, PROGRAMS. WE'RE ALSO LEARNING WHERE TIMES ARE PARENTS ARE AVAILABLE. WE'VE LEARNED THAT THIS IS A VERY WORKING COMMUNITY. UM, CAUSE WE TRY THINGS DURING THE DAY, WHICH WE HAD LOWER PARTICIPATION AND WE'RE NOTICING THE AFTER WORK AREA IS KIND OF OUR MARK AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE INCREASED THE SPENDING THERE. UM, SO YOUTH CAMPS, YOUTH CAMPS HAS INCREASED, UM, CUZ WE HAVE A DEMAND FOR AN ALL DAY, UM, CAMP FORMAT. THIS PAST YEAR WE TRIED TO UTILIZE SOMETHING THAT WAS A SIMILAR FORMAT OF WESTPORT COLLEGE WITH SMALLER, UM, MORE GENERALIZED PROGRAMS. WE HAD SEWING CAMP, WE HAD CREATIVE CAMP, UM, OUTDOORS. BUT WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT FEEDBACK FROM PARENTS AS TO, HEY, WE REALLY NEED SOMETHING ALL DAY. AGAIN, WE ARE LEARNING VERY MUCH A WORKING COMMUNITY. UM, SO WE UTILIZE THIS SIMILAR FORMAT FOR SUMMER JAMBOREE, UM, FOR SPRING BREAK AS AN EXPERIMENT, SO TO SAY. SO WE TOOK THE ALL DAY FORMAT, WE PUT ON THEIR, UM, FIELD TRIPS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AND WE HAD 23 PARTICIPANTS FOR THAT WEEK. UM, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. UM, BUT SO WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THIS FORMAT MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, DURING SPRING BREAK, THIS NEXT COMING YEAR, BUT ALSO OFFERING IT FOUR TIMES IN THE SUMMER, UM, TO OFFER. CUZ WE'VE SEEN THAT OUR SPECIALIZED CAMPS WORK, BUT ALSO OUR ALL DAY AS WELL WITH ALL DAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER EXTENDED CARE TOO, SO THAT WAY WE'D HAVE A GENERAL AREA TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE, UM, YOUR CAMP TIME ADDS IN. AND THEN HAVING, PROVIDING A REVENUE GENERATOR OF EXTENDED CARE TO ALLOW FOR, UM, PARENTS TO PICK UP A LITTLE BIT LATER, SUCH AS LIKE FIVE 30 AND DROPPING OFF A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. UM, SO WE WANNA GO BACK TO THAT FORMAT, UM, TO MEET THOSE NEEDS AS WELL. UM, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY, THIS PAST YEAR WE'VE LEARNED A LOT. WE'VE MET A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK. SO, UM, WE'RE, THERE'S FOUR OF US IN THE, IN THE DIVISION, TWO OF WHICH ARE VERY MUCH GENERATED TO ADULT YOUTH PROGRAM OR AN OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION. SO WE COMBINE THOSE TWO. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING, UM, IN PART-TIME STAFF, PUTTING ONE, UM, HIRING A PART-TIME SUMMER PERSON. THAT'LL BE JUST FOR, SO WE CAN, WE CAN'T OFFER AS MANY PE KIDS AS WE USED TO WITH SUMMER JAMBOREE JUST BECAUSE OF HOW MANY STAFF WE USED TO, TO HIRE ON. BUT WITH THE STANDARDS OF CARE, WITH OUR RATIO OF ONE TO 10, HIRING ON A PART-TIMER WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE ABOUT 30 TO 40 RANGE. OKAY. UM, MOVING ON INTO SENIOR PROGRAMMING. UH, THERE WE GO. WE DO HAVE AN INCREASE THERE. SO SENIOR PROGRAM CONTINUES TO GROW, UM, FOLLOWING ITS POST COVID SOCIETY, POST COVID. UM, WE HAVE HAD WAITING LISTS FOR OUR ANNUAL PARTIES THAT WE HOST TWICE A YEAR. EXAMPLE BEING THIS PAST, UM, CHRISTMAS 2021, UH, WE HAD 52 PARTICIPANTS AND FOR THIS PAST CHRISTMAS, UM, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH 75 SPOTS, BUT WE HAD TO INCREASE TO 87. AND JUST KNOWING FOR THESE ANNUAL PARTIES, WE OFFER FREE MEALS, FREE ACTIVITIES, ENTERTAINMENT, UM, SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY OF SENIORS VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO EVERY YEAR. BUT WE ARE EXPERIENCING COST INFLATION. SO WE PUT IN A 20% INCREASE OF FOR TO CONSIDER INFLATION BUT ALSO TO CONSIDER INCREASED PARTICIPATION AS WELL. UM, WE HAVE HAD MANY, INCLUDING THE SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION VOICE, UM, FOR AN INCREASE OF NUMBERS OF TRIPS TAKEN. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER TWO OVERNIGHT TRIPS VERSUS ONE ANNUALLY. UM, KEEPING ONE [03:00:01] DAY TRIP A MONTH AS WELL AS MOVING TO ONE LUNCH BENCH TRIP A MONTH. UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE DOING ONE A QUARTER, BUT MOVING THAT PROGRAM MONTHLY, WE HAVE, UM, THANKFULLY OUR RECREATION SPECIALIST OBTAINED HER CDL, SO THAT WILL PROVIDE COST SAVINGS THERE. UM, BUT ALSO THOUGH THE INCREASE ALLOWS FOR MORE FOLKS TO ATTEND, UM, THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR WITH HER HIRING ON A DRIVER, WE DID ALSO HAVE, UM, FULL TRIPS THAT INCLUDED SOME WAITING LISTS. SO WE'VE HAD, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE TWO BUSES, ONE FOR THE KEMA BOARDWALK TRIP AND AN UPCOMING MISS GALA CASINO TRIP. WE HAVE 40 PEOPLE RE OR 46 PEOPLE REGISTERED. SO WE HAVE TWO FULL BUSES AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE EITHER TAKE A TAHOE OR TELL SOME FOLKS, UNFORTUNATELY YOU, UH, TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF WINNINGS , THEY WOULD, UM, I KNOW THEM PERSONALLY AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY FIGHT ME ON THAT 10% RIGHT AT HOME FOR REAL. UM, AND PLEASE NOTE THAT PER CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND OUR COST RECOVERY SENIOR PROGRAM IS AT 0% COST RECOVERY. OKAY. UM, ONE OTHER AREA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS ADVERTISING. WE HAVE 34% INCREASE ON OUR ADVERTISING BUDGET. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP UTILIZING THE SAME VENDOR THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR, UM, SHE ALREADY HAS OUR FORMATS ALREADY CREATED. UM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, CONSIDERED A 20% COST INFLATION AS WELL. WE'VE ADDED A SPANISH VERSION OF OUR DIGITAL PLAYBOOK. UM, SO AS A MEANS TO, UM, DO SOME INCLUSIV INCLUSIVITY THERE WITH, UM, THE SPANISH VERSION AS WELL. SO WE OFFER THAT QR CODE AT OUR FRONT DESK, UM, AND FLYERS AS WELL, AS WELL AS ON OUR CITY WEBSITE. AND WE HAVE ALSO MOVED TO CREATING A SENIOR MONTHLY NEWSLETTER AND SCHEDULE. SO ONE THING WITH OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY IS, UM, PAPER COPY IS STILL VERY, VERY, UM, MUCH THEIR WAY TO GO, WHICH THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT, UM, SO WITH OUR DIG, OUR PLAYBOOK HAS PRETTY, UM, IS DIGITAL AND WE DO INSERTS IN THE WATER BILLS, BUT WE PRINT OUT MONTHLY OUR SENIOR NEWSLETTER AND WE HAVE ABOUT 30 OF, UH, 30 THAT WE STILL MAIL PHYSICALLY BECAUSE THAT IS THE REQUEST OF OUR SENIORS IS PLEASE STILL MAIL US A PHYSICAL COPY, IS THE DIGITAL COPY IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO ADVANCED AT TIMES. AND IT'S ALSO TOO JUST THE, THE, THE TROUBLE WITH DOING THAT. SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? YOU SAID SENIORS WAS ZERO COST RECOVERY, I THOUGHT WE AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE RECOVERY ON THE TRIPS, BUT SO FOR OUR TRIPS, WHAT WE MEAN IS THAT NOT IF THERE IS A PRICE ASSOCIATED WITH LIKE GOING TO THE MUSEUM OR A TICKET PRICE. RIGHT. THEN WE CHARGE THAT. CORRECT. UM, BUT WE DON'T CHARGE FOR A DRIVER. WE DON'T DRIVER INDIRECT COSTS. WE DON'T CHARGE. NO, NO, NO, WE DON'T DO, SO LIKE THE CASINO TRIP, IT'S A FREE TRIP BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHARGING. BUT IF WE GO TO A MUSEUM OR WE DO AN OVERNIGHT TRIP, OVERNIGHT TRIP, THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE COST OF THEIR HOTEL. UM, AND ANY TICKETS THAT THERE MAY BE ASSOCIATED. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THAT. YES, SORRY. . SO IN, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SENIOR COMMISSION LEADERSHIP AND ABOUT THE TYPES OF TRIPS AND THE VARIETIES OF EITHER THE LUNCH BUNCH OR WHATEVER. SO WE'RE KIND OF CHANGING THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE'RE TAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEM AND EXECUTING OFF OF THAT. MM-HMM. JUST TO AGAIN, BE MORE, I GUESS MORE INCLUSIVE AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MEET NEEDS. CUZ WE'VE HAD COMMENTS LIKE, WELL THIS RESTAURANT WE GO TO IS TOO EXPENSIVE. WE'D NEVER GO TO THAT. OKAY, SO TELL US WHAT RESTAURANTS YOU WANT TO GO TO AND WE'LL PROGRAM THE TRIPS AROUND THAT. MM-HMM. AND GAUGE ATTENDANCE AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT BEING DISPARAGING ON WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS AND WE'VE GOT WAITING LISTS, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING RIGHT, THE RIGHT THINGS, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE TRIPS WERE FULL AND, AND WITH, WITH WAVE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS CHAIR. YES. WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ZOE GARCIA FOR THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER OPERATIONS. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. YOUR HONOR. COULD PLEASE TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO FUND 60 DEPARTMENT 300. THERE ARE SOME THINGS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT. YOU GO OVER WITH YOU ALL. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT. GOT IT. RECENTLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO OUR MEMBERSHIP STRUCTURE. SO YOU WILL SEE [03:05:01] SOME DECREASES AS FAR AS THE PREVIOUS OPTIONS THAT WE HAD FOR MEMBERSHIPS. UM, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN CONDENSED TO OUR FAMILY MEMBERSHIP AND OUR INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP. WE HAVE THE SAME OFFERING, HOWEVER, WE JUST APPLY A DISCOUNT TO THOSE. UM, SOMETHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE MISCELLANEOUS PROGRAMS. SO THAT ALSO, UM, WE TRANSFERRED THAT FROM 4 85, WHICH WAS OUR ESCROW ACCOUNT. AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE OUR SWIM LESSONS AND FIRST AID. DID YOU HAVE, I MEAN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT AS FAR AS THE REVENUE? CONGRATULATIONS ON INCREASING YOUR REVENUE THIS YEAR OVER BUDGET. UM, IT'S GREAT. UM, 8 48 VERSUS 8 84. THE ONLY QUESTION I, WELL YOUR QUESTION WHAT TO ME WAS, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OVER REVENUE? I'LL SAVE MY REST FOR THE COST. YEAH, SO WITH, UM, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR THE FACILITY AND SO THIS WAS STREAMLINING OUR PROCESSES AS FAR AS, UM, OUR OFFERINGS. WE HAVE SEEN THAT INCREASE. THAT'S GREAT. SO MOVING OVER TO EXPENSES. SO YOU WILL SEE, UM, A DIFFERENCE IN THESE SALARIES. AND SO THAT IS DUE TO FOR FULL TIME. UH, WHEN WE MADE THE TRANSFER FROM 50 TO 60, UH, THERE WAS SOME TRANSFERS THAT WERE LIKE MAKING IT OVER TO THAT, SO THAT IS NOW SEPARATE. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PART-TIME SALARIES, SO PART-TIME, UM, WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE COMP IN CLASS AND SO WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE THEM NEXT YEAR JUST TO GET THEM UP TO, UM, THE PROPER PAY RANGE. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PAYING NOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING? YES. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR FRONT DESK, THEY MAKE $9 AN HOUR. UM, AND THEN SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BUMP THEM TO 9 75. WE HAVE OUR HEAD FRONT DESK, WHICH IS AT 12. WE'RE PROPOSING 13 FOR THEM. AND THEN OUR LIFEGUARDS ARE AT 10 AND WE'RE ASKING 1121. ARE YOU HAVING A HARD TIME STAFFING LIFEGUARDS? ALL STAFF, ALL PART-TIME STAFF? YES. WHAT ARE OTHER AREAS SEEING ON LIFEGUARDS? SO SURROUNDING AREAS CAN RANGE FROM ANYWHERE 13 UP TO 15. SO, AND THEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE POOLS UPWARDS OF 20. SO, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE FRONT DESK, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT RANGE IS AROUND AT LEAST STARTING AT 11 TO 12. ARE YOU RECRUITING WITH THE SCHOOL? MM-HMM. USING THEIR SWIM TEAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YES, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE SWIM TEAM. ANOTHER, UM, INCENTIVE THAT WE TRIED AS FAR AS OBTAINING LIFEGUARDS IS, UH, WE CAME UP WITH A CONTRACT FOR THEM AND CONTINGENT UPON THEM WORKING FOR US FOR SIX MONTHS, WE ARE COMPING THEIR CERTIFICATION. SO, YOU KNOW, NO CERTIFICATION NEEDED. Y'ALL CAN COME IN, WE WILL CERTIFY YOU GUYS IN HOUSE. AND SO WE HAVE HAD, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OF THOSE. SO HAVE, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT A TUITION REIMBURSEMENT FOR THOSE THAT STAY ON MORE THAN SIX MONTHS? YES. AND SO THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT MOVING FORWARD. SO BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S A GREAT INCIDENT FOR THE MOST OF THESE KIDS ARE COMING OUTTA HIGH SCHOOL LIFEGUARDING AND GOING TO SCHOOL AT THE SAME TIME. MM-HMM. , THAT'S JUST SO THE, SO WE DID DISCUSS LIKE CERTIFYING THEM TO, YOU KNOW, BE INSTRUCTORS AND HELP US TEACH PROGRAMS. SO YEAH, DEFINITELY THERE ARE TALKS GOOD WITH THAT. UM, OTHER INCREASES YOU WILL SEE IS APPAREL. UM, AND SO THAT'S JUST THE PRICE OF OUR SHIRTS FOR PART-TIME STAFF AS WELL AS UNIFORMS FOR THE LIFEGUARDS. WE HAVE SEEN INCREASE THERE. UM, CLEANING SUPPLIES HAS GONE UP, UM, IN INFLATION AND THEN JUST, UM, YEAH, INCREASE IN USE, UH, AS FAR AS ORDERING, UH, CERTAIN PLACES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUTTA STOCK AND WE HAVE TO GO SOMETIMES WITH A MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION JUST TO GET THE ITEM IN STOCK. AND SO WE HAVE SEEN THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH MORE ITEMS, [03:10:01] UM, AND GOODS DUE TO OUR INCREASE IN MEMBERSHIPS AND TRAFFIC IN THE FACILITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ORDERING MORE, UM, MORE FREQUENTLY DUE TO THAT. UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THREE 16, WHICH IS COMPUTER MAINTENANCE, YOU WILL SEE A DECREASE THERE. UH, HOWEVER, WE HAD, UH, OUR COPIER COMING FROM THERE, OUR COPIER PAYMENT FOR THE REC CENTER, UH, AS WELL AS OUR ANNUAL SOFTWARE FEES. AND SO WE HAVE SPLIT THOSE AND SO YOU WILL SEE A DECREASE HERE. UM, BUT THEN IF YOU TURN TO OUR ANNUAL SOFTWARE, WHICH IS 4 61, YOU WILL SEE, UM, AN INCREASE THERE. AND SO OUR CONTRACT LABOR INSTRUCTORS, IF YOU GO TO 4 57, YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE THERE AS WELL. UM, THAT IS DUE TO THE ESCROW ACCOUNT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. AND SO WE ARE JUST STREAMLINING IT AND IT'S ALL COMING FROM ONE RATHER THAN THE SEPARATE ESCROW ACCOUNT. ANOTHER, UM, INCREASE IS THE 4 77, THE BANK CREDIT CARD CHARGES. AND SO THAT IS, UM, DUE TO THE INCREASE IN SHIPS AND THEN US SWITCHING OVER TO OUR AUTO DRAFT OPTION, WE ARE CHARGED FOR EVERY CREDIT CARD PAYMENT THAT GOES THROUGH. AND SO THAT HAS GONE UP. HOWEVER, WE HAVE OBTAINED, UM, CREDIT CARD TERMINALS, SO WE WILL BE USING THOSE AND WE ARE, UM, PROJECTING TO SEE A DECREASE ON THOSE CHARGES. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT REFLECTIVE HERE. SO IF YOU TURN TO, WELL, SO WE HAVEN'T E WE HAVE, WE'VE OBTAINED THEM, HOWEVER, WE HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO ROLL THAT OUT. UM, AND IT'S HARD TO PREDICT WHAT THOSE WILL BE. HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW IT'S LESS. UM, AND SO WE ARE PROJECTING THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE AFTER WE HAVE A YEAR TO ANALYZE THAT IT WILL DECREASE THOSE COSTS. OKAY. MM-HMM. , THE BUDGET NUMBERS WERE DUE IN MAY, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND SO THEN 4 85 YOU WILL SEE THAT DECREASE AND THAT'S JUST FROM, UM, OUR COMPUTER SOFTWARE FEES AND ANNUAL SOFTWARE FEES. SO I'M SORRY, OUR MISCELLANEOUS PROGRAMS. AND SO THE ONLY OTHER INCREASE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS FIVE 10 EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. UM, YOU WILL SEE AN INCREASE THERE AND THAT IS JUST DUE TO, UM, TRYING TO OBTAIN AND KEEP OUR PART-TIME STAFF. THE TURNOVER RATE IS SUPER HIGH. UM, AND THEY, I BELIEVE ARE A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE ORGANIZATION. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THE FRONT LINE, HOWEVER, THEY MISS OUT ON A LOT OF THE BENEFITS OF BEING FULL TIME. SO JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO INCLUDE THEM AND RETAIN THEM. WE HAVE, UH, LAUNCHED JUST A FEW IDEAS TO DO FOR THEM, SO. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. DO YOU, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE IDEAS? SO UM, SOME OF THOSE IDEAS WOULD INCLUDE, WE HAVE A EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION BOARD NOW THAT WE DO LIKE SHOUT OUTS FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, PUT INFORMATION, HEY, MEET THE STAFF. UM, AS FAR AS LIKE OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE MEALS FOR THEM BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE ONLY TIME WE CAN GET OUR STAFF TOGETHER IS ON A SUNDAY EVENING FROM SIX TO EIGHT. AND SO IF I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO COME UP HERE ON A SUNDAY NIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO FEED YOU, UM, AS WELL AS CHRISTMAS PARTIES OR, YOU KNOW, THANKSGIVING, UM, AS WELL AS TEAM OUTINGS AS FAR AS INCORPORATING THOSE INTO OUR, UH, TEAM BUILDING AND OUR, OUR MEETINGS. OKAY. DO YOUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES HAVE ANY BENEFITS? NO. NO? OKAY. THEY'RE NOT PAID. PAID ON A 10 99, ARE THEY? NO. GOOD . ASK THAT QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE FOR NOW? UM, I WILL MENTION AS FAR AS THE PART-TIME STAFF GO, UH, [03:15:01] BECAUSE OF OUR TMS OR BEING IN THE TMS SYSTEM, THEY DO HAVE A RESTRICTION ON THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT THEY CAN WORK, RIGHT. THAT WE'RE STAYING HAVE TO STAY WITHIN. SO THAT IS ANOTHER LIMITATION THAT WE SEE IS THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE COME IN AND WE CAN ONLY TRULY GUARANTEE THEM 15 TO 18 HOURS. SO IT'S HARD TO GET SOME PART-TIME STAFF IN, UM, OR THOSE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING A FOR $9 AN HOUR, AND B, HAVING THAT RESTRICTION IN THOSE HOURS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO OVER THAT FOR THEIR, THEIR BENEFITS. WOW. THAT HURTS. AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO, UH, BRING UP THAT ESCROW ACCOUNT TO KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT TO FINISH ON THAT. UM, SO WE USED TO PUT OUR SWIM LESSONS AND LIFEGUARD CLASSES AND FIRST AID CLASSES INTO THE ESCROW ACCOUNT. SO IT WAS, MONEY WAS GOING IN, MONEY WAS COMING OUT. UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT WASN'T TRACKED, THE, THE, THE BEST. UH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THAT TO SHOW TRANSPARENCY AND WHAT THE TRUE EXPENSES ARE AND WHAT THE TRUE COSTS ARE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DO SEE THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE REVENUE ON, UH, THE MISCELLANEOUS PROGRAMS LINE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE INCREASE ON THE CONTRACT PROGRAMMING. IT JUST REALLY BALANCED THOSE OUT, WHEREAS BEFORE ALL YOU SAW WAS THE ESCROW ACCOUNT, SO IT NEVER REALLY SHOWED YOU HOW MUCH WE WERE MAKING VERSUS HOW MUCH WE WERE, UH, EXPENSING. SO WE DECIDED TO SWITCH THAT TO MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT FOR IT. SO, OKAY. I MEAN, OVERALL, I MEAN THE DEPARTMENT, THE REVENUES INCREASING OR GREAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE REALLY WANTED TO TRY TO TARGET. WE DID THAT, BUT THEN WE ALSO ATE IT ALL UP PRETTY MUCH IN COST CUZ THE TRANSFER LINE FROM A B L C IS THE SAME. SO IT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT ALL OF OUR OPERATIONAL COSTS WENT UP ALONG WITH THE REVENUE. AND SO WITH YOU SAYING THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, NOTICED. AND SO, UM, WITH THAT AND THEN THE INCREASED OF PEOPLE IN THE FACILITY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ON AS FAR AS WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS OUR MEMBERSHIP RATES. UM, AND I KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH MEGAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS LOOKED AT EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND SO WITH US BEING THE FIFTH YEAR OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TALKS ABOUT CREATING AN ARC MASTER PLAN TO DISCUSS ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON OUR EXPENSES? I, SO NEXT YEAR WE'RE LOOKING TO BREAK EVEN AGAIN. SO WE WERE, UM, CONSERVATIVE WITH THOSE NUMBERS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A FULL YEAR TO ANALYZE THE TRENDS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST REVIEW THE NEW MEMBERSHIP STRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING AS WELL. AND WE'RE INCREASING OUR A B L C TRANSFER FROM THE, YEAH, SO YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME OF THOSE INCREASES ARE IN THERE. SO AS I WAS MENTIONING, AS SHE WAS GOING THROUGH THOSE INCREASES, THERE'S A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR THAT'S GOING ON THE FACILITY. UM, THE COST FOR PART-TIME STAFF WAS ONE OF THOSE BIG INCREASES. UH, I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK AT A PART-TIME STAFF WE'RE REQUESTING AN INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS ONE 60 AND THIS TIME WE'RE DOING TWO 17. SO THERE'S A HUGE INCREASE JUST IN PART-TIME STAFF. YEAH. UH, TO TRY TO RETAIN, UH, OUR EMPLOYEES BETTER. UH, AND IN ADDITION TO OUR BUILDINGS LINE WAS ANOTHER ONE. WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE PROACTIVE AND REPAIR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE ON, ESPECIALLY THIS UH, PAST YEAR IS THE HVAC SYSTEM IS NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY. UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE REPAIRS COVERED ANYMORE. UH, IT WAS ONLY A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY AS FAR AS THOSE GOES. SO WE JUST HIT THAT. UM, THIS PAST YEAR WE HAD HALF OUR REPAIRS GOT COVERED AND THEN NOW MOVING FORWARD WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT, UH, COST. SO THERE WAS A $10,000 INCREASE THERE, UM, AS WELL AS OUR CLEANING SUPPLIES. SO JUST TO MAINTAIN, WE JUST PUTTING YOU IN HVAC N I I MEAN I HEAR YOU ON THE 2018, BUT I THOUGHT WE DID ONE IN 20 20, 21. DID WE PUT A NEW HVAC IN IN 2021 OR WE DID SOME REPAIRS TO THE ROOF OR SOMETHING? I THINK IT WAS BEFORE I CAME ON BOARD. YEAH. UH, JERRY SAYING 2017 AND I CAME ON BOARD 2018, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE DEBT THAT JUST FELL OFF OF A BLC MM-HMM. INCLUDED THAT. MM-HMM. UM, I THINK THE MOST RECENT PURCHASES THAT YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO WERE THE ROOF. I MEAN, WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING PROJECT RISE, IT WAS THE ROOF, IT WAS PROBABLY THE ROOF. WE DID TRACTOR CITY HALL. YEAH. [03:20:01] HVAC CITY HALL. AND WE DID THE ROOF AT A B L C. YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. OKAY. YEAH, YOU'VE GOT AN AC SYSTEM THAT'S RIGHT AT FIVE YEARS OLD, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD MAJOR REPAIRS FOR IT. UH, YES. WE, AND UM, WE'VE HAD A COMPRESSOR GO ON ONE OF THE UNITS. UH, WE'VE HAD SOME OF, YEAH, WE'VE HAD ONE OF THE FANS GO ON UNITS THAT THANKFULLY THOSE WERE COVERED. UH, SO WE HAD A FEW OF THEM THAT WERE COVERED UNDER WARRANTY THE END OF LAST YEAR, UH, INTO THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, THIS NEW YEAR. UM, BUT BECAUSE THAT WARRANTY IS GONNA GO UP, WE'RE HOPEFUL CROSSING OUR FINGERS THAT THOSE ARE ALL TAKEN CARE OF AND GOOD. MY POINT, MY POINT BEING, THAT'S EARLY FOR, FOR A SYSTEM TO START FAILING. THAT IS VERY EARLY. UH, I CAN TELL YOU WE ON A REGULAR OCCURRENCE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE EXPLORING ALSO GOOD WITH, WITH THE CONTRACT OR THE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE FROM WASTE SERVICES IS TO EXPLORE OTHER VENDORS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO OUTSOURCE THE REPAIRS ON THOSE. UH, CUZ ONE OF THE OTHER TRENDS WE ARE TYPICALLY SEEING IS A LOT OF OUR SYSTEMS ARE GOING INTO ALARM MODE. UM, AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A HVAC TECHNICIAN WITHIN THE CITY, WE HAVE TO THEN CONTRACT SOMEBODY TO COME OUT. AND THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A TIME FOR THEM TO DO SO. SO WE GAVE YOU A PROPOSAL, OR NOT PROPOSAL, BUT A ASSESSMENT OF HVAC ACROSS THE CITY FROM WAY INDUSTRIES THAT WAS MAYBE ABOUT NINE MONTHS AGO. MM-HMM. . AND SO WE, WE HAVE LOTS OF ISSUES WITH HVAC ACROSS THE CITY. PART OF IT IS EVERYONE KIND OF DOES THEIR OWN FLAVOR OF WHAT THEY WANT. AND THEN PART OF IT'S SORT OF THE ROUTINE MAIN SORT OF THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, UH, TO KEEP HVAC IN CONDITION IN THE, IN THE HOT TEXAS WEATHER. SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, AS CHRIS WAS MENTIONING, PART OF THAT WAS THEY, UH, ESTIMATED REPAIRS WHEN THEY DID THE ASSESSMENT, UH, AND REPAIRS THAT AGAIN WERE, SOME OF THOSE WERE COVERED UNDER OUR WARRANTY IS THEY HAD, ONE OF THE MARQUEES WAS NOT WORKING, WHICH WAS ABOUT $2,600 COST. UH, TWO FAN MOTORS WERE ALREADY BURNT OUT, WHICH WAS A THIR, UH, $3,000, UH, ESTIMATE. THERE WAS A DRAIN LINE AND FAN MOTOR THAT WAS BROKEN. UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A COMPRESSOR THAT WAS NEEDED REPAIRS AND THAT WAS $5,000 ESTIMATE. SO ALL THOSE, THANKFULLY AGAIN, WERE, WERE COVERED UNDER, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME MINOR STUFF HERE AND THERE FROM THERE, BUT YES, WE WERE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE SOME REPAIR ISSUES FOR THESE. RIGHT. WELL THIS, THIS IS A SPECIALTY ITEM AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM THAT ONLY HAS SPECIALTY TECHNICIANS THAT CAN COME WORK ON 'EM OR, UM, COMMERCIAL GRADE THAT THEY'RE, WELL, I MEAN WE'VE GOT COMMERCIAL GRADE REPAIR PEOPLE IN THE AREA. THEY'RE JUST, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COME OUTTA HOUSTON TO REPAIR STUFF. UH, AND NOT ALL OF 'EM NECESSARILY COME OUT. SO CURRENT, THE CONTRACTOR WE WERE WORKING WITH WAS THE ONE OF THE MANUFACTURERS CARRIER. UH, BUT WE ARE IN UH, TALKING TO TWO OTHER COMPANIES TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GET AS FAR AS A BETTER PRICE. UM, THE OTHER THING WAS TRYING TO GET SET UP ON A PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PLAN, UH, TO HELP, UH, MANAGE THOSE ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS TO EVALUATE THEM AND GO THROUGH EACH YEAR OR EACH QUARTER. I AGREE WITH YOU JUST KEEP THIS KNOWLEDGE IN YOUR HAT. NEXT TIME WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR AC UNITS, YOU SAID NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU. YEAH. YOU PROVEN YOURSELF THAT YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT HERE SIR. UM, AND SPEAKING OF NOT THE, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS FULLY, BUT JERRY MIGHT BE ABLE TO A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WE DID CHANGE WHO WAS MANAGING THOSE FROM WHO ORIGINALLY INSTALLED THOSE YES. DUE TO SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. OKAY. UM, SO IT'S A EVER EVOLVING PROCESS. YES SIR. YES SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON EXPENSES BEFORE WE GET THE DECISION PACKAGES? WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU REPAIR ME AND SEES YOU IN, IN THE STORE AND KNOWS YOU BY NAME, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR KIDS PLAY TOGETHER. YEAH. ONE THING THAT I WANNA MENTION ABOUT THE DECISION PACKAGES, WE DID NOT PRIORITIZE THESE MAINLY BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, WE JUST WANTED TO BRING THEM TO YOUR ATTENTION AS DEFICIENCIES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE FACILITY. BUT WE WILL HAVE TO GO TO A V L C IN THE FORM OF A PUBLIC HEARING IN OCTOBER. UM, SO WHILE WE APPRECIATE ANY FEEDBACK YOU HAVE, REALLY NO ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN AT THIS TIME. OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. I HOPE I HAVE THEM IN NOW, . YEP. UM, OKAY, SO YOU MENTIONED WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THESE, THIS PACKAGES NO [03:25:01] SPECIFIC RANKING ORDER JUST TO MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF SOME THINGS THAT WE SEE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS ADA. BASED ON OUR ADA TRANSITION PLAN, UH, THERE WERE THINGS IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE RECREATION CENTER THAT UH, DO NEED SOME ADDRESSING THAT. UH, ONES AS FAR AS JUST MOVING SOME EQUIPMENT ALL THE WAY UP TO ADDRESSING OUR POOL DECK. SO I'LL MENTION THIS AS WELL. WE DO HAVE A PROPOSAL IN HERE TO REPLACE OUR POOL DECK, WHICH WOULD ADDRESS THAT. SO IT'S KIND OF THE ONE OR THE OTHER. SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THE POOL DECK THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THIS ADA FUNDING THAT WE WOULD NEED. UM, SO IT WOULD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NOT KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. UM, BUT THIS IS FAR AS UH, THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN AND WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED AT THE REC CENTER SPECIFICALLY. UH, I WILL MENTION THAT WE DID HAVE A MINOR ONE THIS YEAR THAT WE WERE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. AND THAT WAS SIMPLY JUST A TRANSITION OUT IN THE PARKING LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. WE WERE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT INTO OUR REGULAR OPERATING COST, UH, CUZ IT WAS A MINOR COST COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SEE FOR THESE TWO YEAR PROJECTIONS THAT WOULD HELP TO SUPPORT, UH, THE FUNDING FOR THAT. UH, NEXT ONE IS GONNA BE REGARDS TO FLOORING. SO FOR ANGLETON REC CENTER FLOORING, UH, AS Y'ALL KNOW THE FACILITY, IT WAS BUILT IN 2005. SO WE ARE NEEDING TO START TO DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND RENOVATIONS. SO YOU'LL SEE A TREND AS WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE PLANS. THIS, UH, IS FOR THE FLOORING, FOR THE MAIN AREAS OF THE REC CENTER TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE REPLACEMENT. AND REFRESH OF THAT, WHERE DID WE GET OUR ESTIMATE FROM? UH, A LOCAL COMPANY IN TOWN? JUST ONE. YES. OKAY. AND ORIGINALLY I DO WANT TO SPEAK SOME OF THE SPEAK ON THIS SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO OTHER COMPONENTS. SO A VLC LAST YEAR WE DID AN INVENTORY ASSESSMENT, INTERNALLY STAFFED DID OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. WE COMPILED THAT INFORMATION, PRESENTED IT TO A B L C, AND THERE WERE SOME VERY, YOU KNOW, TOP PRIORITIES INCLUDING OVER AN OVERHAUL IN THE LOCKER ROOM. WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, AND IT WAS APPARENT THAT IT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT NEEDED MOST ATTENTION EVEN WHEN STAFF DID AN ASSESSMENT. THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ARE LIGHTING. WE'VE BEEN, UH, DIRECTED TO HOLD OFF ON THAT CUZ WE DO HAVE SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC DOING AN ENERGY AUDIT. UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OVERHAULING THE RESTROOM, ALL OF THE FLOORING TIES INTO THE REST OF THE FACILITY THROUGHOUT THE HALLWAY. SO WHEN YOU SEE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY IMPACT OTHER AREAS. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PRESENTING THEM. YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS WAS A SINGULAR QUOTE, IT'S BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE LOCKER ROOMS AS A WHOLE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA IMPACT SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. SO I JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO KEEP THAT IN LINE. UM, UH, NEXT ONE SHOULD BE THE ARC FACILITY SIGN. SO TO STAY ON, UH, UH, DIRECTION TO REPLACE SOME OF THE SIGNS THROUGHOUT, UH, THE CITY AND OUR MONUMENT SIGNS, UH, WE WANT TO INCLUDE THIS WITH, UH, THE REC CENTER. UH, YOU WILL SEE AS WE TALK ABOUT LATER FOR KEEP ANGLETON. BEAUTIFUL. WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM. THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR UPDATING, REPLACING THIS SIGN THAT IS OUTSIDE THE REC CENTER TO MAKE IT, UM, MORE CONGRUENT WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THAT PLAN MOVING FORWARD. THE NEXT ONE WILL BE OUR CONTROL SYSTEM. UH, THIS ONE IS TO OUR PLATES. OUR TWO AGING SYSTEMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. WE HAVE TWO SYSTEMS THAT, UH, HELP MAINTAIN THE, THE LEVELS, THE CHEMICAL LEVELS FOR THE POOL, ONE FOR THE SPA, ONE FOR THE POOL. THIS WOULD REPLACE BOTH OF THEM AND ALSO GIVE US CONNECTIVITY TO, UH, MANAGE IT ONLINE. UH, ONE OF THE, UH, DOWNFALLS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING OFF AT THE POOL. STAFF HAVE TO PHYSICALLY GO TO THE FACILITY TO ADJUST THOSE AND ADJUST THOSE LEVELS AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO IT, WHICH CAN BE TIME CONSUMING AND, UH, NOT VERY COST EFFECTIVE. AS FAR AS STAFFING GOES. THIS WOULD ALLOW US THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO MANAGE IT REMOTELY SO THEY COULD MANAGE IT TO SEE IF THEY GOT AN ALERT THAT SAID THE POOLS ARE OFF. THEY COULD MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS OFFSITE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT VERSUS HAVING TO COME UP AND TRY TO DO THAT. UH, I WILL SAY THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO COME TO A FACILITY THAT IF IT IS SOMETHING IS OFF OR THE SYSTEM'S NOT WORKING OR NOT SHOWING YET, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP. UH, BUT THIS WOULD GET US TO A POINT WHERE STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT IN UH, MORE APPROPRIATE MANNER. UM, THIS IS ON A LEASE, SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE TWO BIG, UH, DIFFERENCE IN PRICES. IT IS AN 18 MONTH LEASE. SO WE WOULD PAY THE MAJORITY UPFRONT, UH, AS FAR AS THE FIRST FISCAL YEAR AND THEN IT WOULD TRANSITION INTO A LOWER PAYMENT FOR THE SECOND YEAR. SO DOES THAT REPLACE A ONE UNIT, ONE YEAR AND OTHER UNIT? IT WOULD REPLACE BOTH OF 'EM. BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. UM, SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LEASE, UH, A CONTRACT WITH THEM WHERE THEY HELP MANAGE THE SYSTEM THROUGH PROGRESSIVE AQUATICS. UM, BUT IT WOULD APPROACH BOTH AS SOON AS [03:30:01] WE DID THAT AND THEN WE WOULD JUST PAY FOR IT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THE 18 MONTHS. OKAY. YEP. SO WE GIVE 'EM BOTH AND AFTER THAT WOULD THERE BE A SOFTWARE FEE? THERE IS NO SOFTWARE FEE FOR FOR THAT ONE, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST BUYING THE SYSTEM ITSELF. UM, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT WOULD BE, NOW IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT JUST WOULDN'T CHANGE , BUT IDEALLY FOR THOSE SYSTEMS THEY'RE VERY MINIMAL AND THEY'RE MORE OF JUST READERS OF WHAT THE CHEMICAL LEVELS THAT ARE AT. SO THE SOFTWARE IS VERY, IS VERY MINIMAL. YEAH. SO IS THERE A CALIBRATION OR SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED THAT ADDITIONAL FEE MAYBE? OR DO WE DO ALL THAT? THAT WOULD BE UNDER, LIKE IF WE EVER NEEDED THAT, WE WOULD JUST CONTRACT WITH OUR POOL COMPANY AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS ONE OF OUR FLOORS. YEAH. UH, NEXT ONE IS GYM FLOORS. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE BASKETBALL GYM FLOORS. UH, SAME THING. FACILITY IS FROM 2005, UH, WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR AND HAVE SOME SPOTS THAT HAVE HOLES IN THEM, UH, OR ARE BUBBLING FROM WHAT THE EXISTING FLOOR WAS. AND THIS QUOTE WAS TO GET US UP TO A HARDWOOD FLOOR. UH, SO WOULD IT COMPLETELY REPLACE THE FLOOR THAT WE HAVE? UH, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THIS COULD, IF WE WENT THIS DIRECTION, IT COULD INCREASE, UH, MAINTENANCE COSTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UH, FOR OUR SIZE GYM IT MIGHT BE TWO TO $3,000 AS FAR AS RESURFACING THAT FLOOR. UM, AND WE WOULD MONITOR THAT BASED ON THE FACILITY USAGE OF WHAT IT HAS. BUT USUALLY YOU'D RESURFACE ABOUT ONCE A YEAR. BUT THAT IS THE COST. THAT WOULD BE TO REDO THE GYM FLOORS AND BRING US UP TO A HARD FLOOR. UH, STAYING WITH THE GYM THEME, UH, WE NEED TO REPLACE THE PADDING THAT ARE BEHIND THE BACKBOARDS. UH, SOME OF THOSE HAS CHANGED TO WHERE, UH, THE STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED AS FAR AS WHAT YOU NEED TO PUT IN PLACE BEHIND BASKETBALL HOOPS. UM, SO WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT ALSO EXPANDING OUT TO PROVIDING MORE COVERAGE IS ONE THING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING TO SEE IF WE STAY WITHIN, UH, THE STANDARD THAT IS THERE. WHEN THIS WOULD, UH, REPLACE THE, THOSE PADDINGS TO GET ONCE THAT ARE TORN, DAMAGED, UH, BROKEN AND UH, GET 'EM THOSE REFRESHED. IS THAT A QUOTE, 50 GRAND? THAT'S UH, AN ESTIMATE THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS YEAH. FOR PATTY'S. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S UH, CAN GET QUITE EXPENSIVE. UH, I THINK PART OF IT HAS TO COME FROM, UH, WE'VE SEEN IT LAST 15 YEARS, SO THEY WANT TO GET THEIR, THEIR MONEY CUZ YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO IT FOR ANOTHER 15 YEARS. I SEE. MAKES SENSE. YEP. UM, BUT DO KEEP IN MIND THAT THOSE ARE JUST INITIAL ONES. SO BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME NUMBERS IN PLACE AND THEN ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL CODES TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING CHEAPER. UM, ALSO IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, ONE OF THE COMPANIES DOES PROVIDE MULTIPLE, UM, RENOVATIONS OR, UH, HAS MULTIPLE SERVICES. SO SOMEBODY WHO DOES THE FLOOR MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THE GYM PAD, THE PADDING AS WELL, UH, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE COST OF THE OVERALL PROJECT, UH, JIM PAINTING. UH, SO THIS WOULD JUST GET A NEW FRESH LOOK IN THERE TO MAKE EVERYTHING CONSISTENT, UH, AND START TO, UM, FOLLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE BRANDING DIRECTION OF WHERE THE SITTING'S GOING. SO IT WOULD GET US UPDATED TO, UM, REPAINT THE, THE GYM SPECIFICALLY, NOT THE FACILITY, JUST THE GYM MUSEUM. UH, I DO APOLOGIZE ABOUT THIS ONE. THE HVAC ONE DID NOT SAVE. UH, THIS ONE IS SPECIFICALLY, UH, A REFERENCE TO A REMINDER OF LIKE CHRIS HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE THAT ASSESSMENT DONE. UM, THE ONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN PLACE HERE IS THE POOL EXHAUST FANS IS THE BIGGEST NEED AT THIS TIME. THE REST OF THE ITEMS, KNOCK ON WOOD, YOU DON'T CONTINUE TO SEE PROBLEMS ARE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. UH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING IN THE NEXT REAL FIVE YEARS. THIS IS THE EXHAUST FANS ARE THE ORIGINAL AND UH, OF THEY'RE SET UP ON THREE DIFFERENT CIRCUITS. OF THE THREE CIRCUITS. ONE IS OPERATING UH, IN SOME CAPACITY, THE OTHER TWO ARE INOPERABLE TO WHERE WE CAN'T LEAVE THEM ON. UM, DUE TO ISSUES THAT THEY, UH, HAVE WITHIN THE UNITS, THEY DO NEED TO BE REPLACED. AND ESTIMATED COST THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM WASTE SERVICES WAS, OR WAY ENGINEERING WAS, UH, 99,000. UH, FOR THIS ONE, UH, THAT WERE REPLACED AT 18 EXHAUST FANS. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THOSE FANS IS TO PULL AIR OUT OF AN AUDITORIUM. UH, FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, OUR AUDITORIUM IS NOT, DOES NOT HAVE A HVAC SYSTEM IN IT. SO THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT IS BY THE DOORS THAT WE HAVE TO CREATE AIRFLOW. AND THEN THOSE EXHAUST FANS ARE DESIGNED TO PULL THAT IN HUMIDITY OUT AND BE THE CHLORINES THAT ARE IN THE AIR FROM THE CHEMICALS TO GET THAT OUT TO ENSURE THAT IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. UH, CONTINUES TO BE SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND HELPS PROTECT [03:35:01] THE LONGEVITY OF OUR EQUIPMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THAT IS DOWN, UH, IT SPEEDS UP THE AGE OF THE EQUIPMENT CUZ THAT THAT CHEMICALS DO NOT GET PULLED OUT OF AIR AS AS WELL. SO, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS 99,000 WHAT WAS QUOTED FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE 18, UH, EXHAUST UNITS. SO IS THAT EXCESS FROM THE ROOF ONLY? YES. AND LAST WE TO DRAIN THE POOL, UH, AND GET A REALLY BIG LIFT WHICH MAY NOT EVEN FIT INTO THE POOL. YES. OR WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE PLASTER. YEAH. UM, WHEN THEY WERE ASSESSING IT, UH, THEY EVEN LOOKED AT IT AND SAID THIS WOULD BE, UH, A FANTASTIC PROJECT THAT NOBODY WOULD REALLY LOVE DOING CUZ OF THE ANGLED ROOF. SO ACCESSING THEM WAS NOT THE GREATEST. UM, SO THAT'S PART OF THE, THE REPLACEMENT PART IS THE THIRD. THIRD. ONE THING THAT I WANNA MENTION, WHEN WE MET WITH SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC, THEY ARE, ONE THING THAT WE MENTIONED TO THEM WAS WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PROPOSAL FOR SOME SORT OF HVAC, IF ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TO ANY OTHER N AUDITORIUM THERE, THERE ARE WAYS TO INCLUDE A MORE MAYBE EFFICIENT AS IT RELATES TO OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE. UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC IS LOOKING INTO AND MAY INCLUDE IN THEIR PROPOSAL TO THE CITY. UH, LOCKER ROOM OVERHAUL. WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS WOULD ESTIMATED COST TO REDO BOTH LOCKER ROOMS. UM, THAT'S A LOT. YEAH. DRAIN ISSUES. YEAH, SO TO ADDRESS THE I THAT WOULD BE REPLACING TILE IN THERE, THE SINKS, THE SHOWERS, THE LOCKERS, THE PARTITIONS, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THERE TO LEVEL THAT OUT. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A FULL RENOVATION THAT GOES ON THERE. UM, I WILL MENTION ONE THING THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE TRENDS ON THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN HERE AS WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE AND MORE ISSUES WITH OUR PLUMBING. UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES DOWN THE ROAD FUTURE, UH, THAT AS PLUMBERS HAVE COME IN, THEY'VE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW OUR, THIS SYSTEM IS, UH, NO LONGER WORKING AS EFFICIENT AS IT SHOULD, WHICH MAY REQUIRE SOME LIKE COMPLETE OVERHAUL ON THE, UH, WATER SOURCE COMING IN. UH, EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE IS IN THE MEN'S BATHROOM UPFRONT THERE WAS THREE SINKS. ONLY TWO OF THEM WORK BECAUSE ONE OF THEM IS CLOGGED TO A POINT THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW, UH, THE WATER FLOW TO GO THROUGH. UH, ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE HAD OUR PARKS CREWS COME OUT AND REDO SOME OF THE MENS URINALS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME KIND OF THING AND THEY HAVE HAD TO TAKE THEIR URINALS OUT AND POWER WASH THEM TO GET THEM SOME KIND OF CLEANED UP TO ENSURE THAT THE UNITS THAT WORK. SO THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL COMING FROM THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND REPLACED. IF WE SOLD THE BUILDING, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT GIVE US? WELL, UM, I JUST LOOKED AT A TML ASSET NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND WHAT DID WE HAVE THAT AS COLLEEN? I THINK IT WAS LIKE, UH, GOSH, I DON'T REMEMBER EITHER. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. I START OVER 300. I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE BATHROOM RENOVATION BECAUSE EVERYTHING LOOK AT THE LIST. YEAH. IT'S, AND SO THAT LIST, YEAH, THAT, I MEAN THAT LIST IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT WAS THE LIST THAT WE BROUGHT TO A BLC TO DISCUSS THE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND NLC IS WE CONTINUE ON THIS IS JUST ATTACKING SOME PIECES OF IT. YES. UM, AND DOESN'T LOOK AT THE FULL SCOPE OF EVERYTHING. THIS IS JUST SOME THINGS WE'VE ADDRESSED AS MORE HIGH PRIORITY ITEMS, UM, AND WANTED TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION TO LOOK AT THAT OF WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE. CUZ AS WE CONTINUE TO PUSH THE BUCKET DOWN THE LINE COSTS ARE A GONNA GO UP AND B, OUR FACILITY IS GONNA CONTINUE TO DECLINE, UH, DECLINE IN SOME AREAS THAT THERE'S ONLY SO MANY THINGS WE CAN, REPLACING CEILING TILES IS GREAT. YEAH. UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HELP WHEN YOU HAVE PLUMBING. THAT DOESN'T WORK. I KNOW A BLCS PRIORITY FROM THE LAST TIME WAS GETTING THE BATHROOMS RENOVATED. SO THAT THREE 50 IS INCLUDING NATATORIUM ISSUES AS WELL. CAN YOU, CAN YOU BREAK OUT JUST THE RESTROOM? SO AS FAR AS IT INCLUDING THE AUDITORIUM, THAT WAS, I BELIEVE IF I'M LOOKING AT IT PROPERLY, UM, THAT WAS JUST THE PRIORITY LISTING. UM, AND SO WE DO HAVE ITEM ITEMIZED QUOTES FOR LIKE, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT WORKING WITH THE SAME VENDOR FOR BATHROOM PARTITIONS AS YOU ARE FOR TILING. RIGHT. AND IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE REC CENTER, WE'VE GOT TILE FROM, I MEAN OUR WALLS ARE TILED. [03:40:01] SO, UM, IS THAT JUST FOR HUMIDITY PURPOSES THOUGH? YES. AND, AND JUST THE ABILITY TO CLEAN THE AMOUNT FOOT TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE IN THERE. IT MAKES SENSE THOUGH. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THERE, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE EFFICIENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, APPLY. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WELL I, THE HUMIDITY THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE AREAS, IT'D BE HARD TO EVEN PUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT IT'S LIKE A SLICK WALLPAPER APPLICATION, BUT BECAUSE OF THE HUMIDITY, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAINTENANCES. YEAH. IT'LL BE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE. SO, UM, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE LOCKER ROOM IN ORDER TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, SPACE. WE DON'T, I DON'T EVEN THINK I WOULD'VE VENTURE TO GUESS THAT EVEN A FOURTH OF THOSE ARE USED. UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE REWORKED. UM, BUT AGAIN, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IN THERE IS THE PLUMBING AND EVEN THE SLOPING OF THE DRAINS. UH, I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS STAFF. SO, UH, WITH A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE A PRIORITY OUR STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT WHEN WE DO ISSUE DEBT, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER TOO. UM, IF WE ARE NOT DEDICATING SOME FUNDS TO ADDRESS THESE ITEMS ANNUALLY, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT A PACKAGE, YOU KNOW, TO GET SOME OF THESE ITEMS UP TO PAR. SO, OKAY. SO A COMMENT TOO ON THE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, SO I ASKED MEGAN TO HOLD OFF ON THAT BECAUSE SNYDER ELECTRIC'S LOOKING AT THAT. SO THAT MAY, SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY GET COVERED THOSE BACK. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO PAY SNYDER ELECTRIC EITHER THOUGH. RIGHT. SO IN THE FUTURE, YEAH, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED. THAT WAS ANOTHER BIG PORTION OF IT. UM, THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP. WE HAD ONE, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT QUOTES FOR LIGHTING AND DEPENDING ON THE AREA YOU'RE GOING FOR, OURS WAS ANOTHER COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THAT FACILITY. EIGHT TO 10 DIFFERENT LIGHT BULBS, STYLES, THE WATTAGE, LIKE IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. UM, AND SO SOME CONSISTENCY THAT WENT WITH THAT. IT'S, AND THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THIS. SO YOU'VE GOT THERE NUMBER, NUMBER SIX. YOU ITEMIZED A GYM FLOOR REPLACEMENT IN THIS 350 PREVIOUS HERE AS A, EXCUSE ME, THAT WAS JUST TO IDENTIFY. SORRY I DIDN'T INTERRUPT. YEAH, BUT THAT WAS TO IDENTIFY AND YOU GOT $165,000 GYM FLOOR REPLACEMENT AT, AT ANOTHER PLACE IN HERE. ARE YOU CARRYING THE SAME THING BOTH PLACES? NO. SO THAT PART IS JUST THE, TO SHOW WHAT PRIORITY THAT A B L C WHEN WE BROUGHT TO A, B, C, THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS. SO THAT'S NOT ALL PART OF THIS PACKAGE. THAT WAS JUST THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO A V L C AS FAR AS SOME OF THE PRIORITY ITEMS THAT WERE ATTAINED TO THEM. SO THEY DON'T ALL PERTAIN TO THAT AMOUNT. SO THIS AMOUNT FOR THE 350 IS JUST FOR THE BATHROOM RENOVATIONS. SO IT WOULDN'T INCLUDE LIKE THE GYM LIGHTING, THE FACILITY LIGHTING. UH, IT WOULD ADDRESS THE RESTROOM, UH, REHAB, UH, THE FIXER REPLACEMENTS, UM, CEILING TILE UPDATE PARTIALLY. OKAY. IF IT WAS IN THE REC FLOOR. I HEAR YOU. BUT IT LOOKED BE LIKE THESE 13 ITEMS MAKE UP TO 350,000. IT'S NOT ALL 13, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. AND IF YOU READ THE SUMMARY IT SAYS WELL I JUST SAW IT THIS MORNING. THANK YOU. SO YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S A CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. YES SIR. ANY MORE QUESTIONS WITH THAT ONE? UH, NEXT ONE SHOULD BE MULTIP MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM SHADES OR DO I SKIP ONE? NO MYPHONE. SORRY. UH, MULTIPURPOSE ROOM PAINT. SO COME IN TO GO TOGETHER. SO WE WANT TO DO AN UPDATE REFRESH, UH, IN THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. SO OUR IDEA FOR THIS ONE IS YOU SEE A LOT THEME TOWARDS THERE, UH, IS TRYING TO ATTACK THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM AS FAR AS GETTING THAT UPDATED FIRST. UH, WE IDENTIFIED THAT AS AN AREA THAT COULD INCREASE ON REVENUE. SO POTENTIALLY COULD SEE MORE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. UH, REPLACING CEILING TILES DOESN'T ALWAYS, UH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT. BUT UPDATING OUR RENTAL SPACE. SO THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM ONE AND TWO, UH, ONE, UH, ONE HAS THE KITCHEN, THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT, UH, WOULD BE TWOFOLD. IT WOULD HELP, UH, TO POTENTIALLY EXPLORE FLOORING TO UM, MAKE A BETTER FLOOR FOR OUR FITNESS CLASSES CUZ THAT'S WHERE OUR FITNESS CLASSES ARE HELD. UH, ADDITIONAL PROGRAMMING. BUT THE THOUGHT HERE IS TO GET THAT ROOM UPDATED TO ENTICE MORE PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR THEIR RENTALS. [03:45:01] WHETHER BABY SHOWERS, WEDDING RECEPTIONS, UH, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UH, THE PAINT WAS FOR THAT IN ADDITION TO THE SECOND ONE AFTER THAT WAS TO REPLACE OUR OLD, UH, AND NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL SHADES AND THAT SPACE. UH, SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, IT DOES HAVE ONE WALL THAT HAS FULL WINDOWS THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE OPERATING SHADES. SO WE'D LIKE TO GET THOSE UPDATED TO UH, HELP THAT IF IT'S EVER TOO MUCH LIGHTING GLARE OR ANYTHING FOR CLASSES AND RENTALS THAT PROVIDE A MORE, UM, CONDUCIVE SPACE FOR THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT NAMING RIGHTS. WE GET A SPONSORSHIP, SOMEBODY CAN PAY US SOME MONEY TO. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE FOR, UM, BUILDING NAMING. SO THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR ADOPTED HAVE, HAVE WE TRIED RECRUITING ANY? WE HAVE NOT. OUR DEPARTMENT HAS NOT ACTIVELY PURSUED A PURSUED THAT THEY GET RIGHTS TO USE THAT ROOM LIKE FOUR TIMES A YEAR OR WHATEVER AND THEY CAN PAY FOR THAT MAINTENANCE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE. I KNOW CHRIS, MARTHA AND MAYOR PEREZ LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE BELIEVE, UH, VISITED INDUSTRY PARTNERS. UH, AT WHICH POINT WE PRESENTED SPECIFICALLY. I THINK WE WERE FOCUSING ON LIKE LAKESIDE AT THE TIME CAUSE IT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. UM, WE DID NOT GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THAT, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PURSUE AND DEVELOP PRESENTATIONS FOR INDUSTRY. YEAH. I CAN'T SELL THE BUILDING BUT MAYBE WE CAN START LEASING OUT THE SPACES. SO THE BOY SCOUTS INTERESTED IN DONATE NAMING LUCK ON THAT ONE. I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO. BUT DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH ON THAT ONE. TALL LOWERS OF UH, TEXAS THERE TRAVIS. UH, SO THE NEXT ONE YOU'LL SEE THERE IS THE MANDATORY PLAY COMPONENT. UH, SO THIS ONE IS UH, MAINLY THE PLAY FEATURE THAT IS AT OUR ZERO ENTRY. UH, WE HAD SOME, UH, CURRENTLY THE ASSISTANT OR THE COMPONENT IS OFFLINE. IT IS NOT, UH, USABLE BECAUSE OF THE PLATFORM. UH, WE ARE STILL LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO REPAIRS ON THAT. THAT THAT IS ONLY MINOR. UM, THAT IS THE PLATFORM. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE FEATURES OF THAT PLAY FEATURE THAT ARE NO LONGER OPERABLE OR HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND CAPPED IN PREVIOUS YEARS. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SLIDE OR NOT THE BIG SLIDE BECAUSE THE BIG SLIDE WE GOT FIXED BIG SLIDE'S. GOOD. THAT WORKS. WE'RE TALKING ALL THE STUFF IN THE, THIS IS ALL THE, THE BOTTOM LEVEL STUFF. SO THE SHALLOW WATER ZERO ENTRY WHERE IT HAS THE SMALL SLIDE DISPLAY FEATURES IN THERE, ALL THAT'S OFF. ALL THAT IS OFF RUSH AT THE MOMENT. YEAH, YOU CAN'T, YOU ACCESS THE SLIDE OR GO UP ON THE PLATFORM OR USE THAT. AND THEN SOME OF THIS, THIS SPRAY FEATURES OF THAT COM, THAT ONE MAIN COMPONENT, THE COLLECTION THERE MM-HMM. , UM, DON'T WORK OR OPERATE CURRENTLY AS IT IS THE UH, DUMP BUCKET STILL DUE. SO THAT PART STILL IS ON. UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS OF THE, I MEAN MAINLY IT'S THE SLIDE AT THIS POINT. THE OTHER PARTS OF IT HAVE EITHER BEEN CAPPED OR NO LONGER HAVE WORKING FLOW TO THEM. SO THAT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT OF UH, FOR THE 200,000 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TO REPLACE THE PLAY FEATURES IN THAT, THAT AREA OF THE ZERO DEPTH. DOES THAT EXPAND THE AREA OR DOES IT JUST PUT BACK WHAT'S THERE? IT DEPENDS ON THE PLAY FEATURES WE HAVE SO THAT THE POOL ITSELF WOULDN'T EXPAND, RIGHT? NO. YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BUT THE PLAY FEATURES, IT DEPENDS ON THE PACKAGE. WE WOULD CHOOSE TO, WHAT OFFERINGS WERE INCLUDED IN IT. IF WE WENT THROUGH ROUTE OF HAVING A SIMILAR PLATFORM WITH A SLIDE OR IF WE DECIDED TO DO MORE PLAY FEATURES TO WHERE LIKE MUSHROOM DUMP BUCKETS, UM, OR UH, MORE UM, GROUND LEVEL FEATURES THAT KIDS COULD PLAY ON AND MOVE ON. SO WE HAVE OPTIONS WITHIN THAT. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT PACKAGE. BUT THIS WOULD INCLUDE REMOVAL OF THE OLD SYSTEM. MM-HMM. , UH, CAPPING WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE CAPPED THAT WOULDN'T BE UTILIZED ANY LONGER. AND THEN ADDING SOME THE NEW FEATURES TO IT BASED ON UM, WHAT UH, ACCESS WE HAVE. CAUSE THAT'S A MAJOR FEATURE FOR THE PARENTS WITH YOUNG KIDS. MM-HMM. I CAN SAY I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IT HASN'T HAD A MAJOR IMPACT ON OUR OPERATIONS. UH, JUST THE, OUR NUMBERS FOR THIS LAST MONTH, UH, JUST GOT FINALIZED AND DAY PAST REVENUE WAS ABOUT 43,000, UH, LAST MONTH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OUR HIGHEST NUMBER THAT, WELL I CAN SAY WITHIN THE PAST TWO YEARS. UM, SO REVENUE STILL IS SEEING AN IN IT STILL MAINTAINING. SO IT HASN'T HAD A HUGE IMPACT BUT IT DOES CONGEST SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS CUZ MM-HMM. , THEY AIN'T, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO USE AS MUCH OF THAT FEATURE ANYMORE. BALANCE. OH. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN IN, IN OPERABLE? UH, SO MONTH AND A HALF. JUST THE BEGINNING. I, YEAH, JUST RECENTLY. JUST RECENTLY JUST OF COURSE RIGHT BEFORE [03:50:01] SUMMER, LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE SUMMER IT, IT, THIS WE NOTICED A HOLE IN THE, THE PLATFORM SO WE HAD TO TAKE IT OFFLINE DUE STAGING. YEP. SO, UM, BUT ONE OF THE THING I WAS MENTIONED IS WE DO HAVE FUND BALANCE FOR THE REC CENTER FUND BALANCE THAT HAS ABOUT 120,000 IN IT. UM, AND SO THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION TO PUT SOME OF THIS TOWARDS IT, UH, TO GET THIS A QUICKER REPLACEMENT. AGAIN, REVENUE BASE WISE, IT IS A HOT COMMODITY, UH, FOR A REASON PEOPLE COME TO THE POOL AND HAVE ACCESS TO. SO IT WOULD BE UH, ONE TO EXPLORE TO LOOK AT. UM, WE DO PLAN TO BRING A COUPLE ITEMS TO A VLC TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS UTILIZING THE THE REC CENTER FUND BALANCE. UH, AND WHAT THEY WOULD UH, RECOMMEND. UH, NEXT ONE SHOULD BE POOL DECK. I BRIEFLY MENTIONED THIS EARLIER. THIS IS TO, UM, REDO THE POOL DECK, WHICH, UH, REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE. UH, WE ARE VERY THANKFUL THAT THE POOL DECK DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DECK. UH, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SURFACE AREA. BUT THIS WOULD HELP TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, UM, FROM PIECES OF IT PULLING AWAY. UM, BROKEN, UNEVEN, UH, AND IT WOULD ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ADA STUFF. SO AGAIN, THIS COULD REPLACE, IF THIS WAS TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, THIS COULD REPLACE SOME OF THE ADA UH, FUNDING THAT WAS NEEDED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. THAT'S NOT ADDRESS ALL OF THEM, BUT WOULD ADDRESS GO SWIM IN THE POND, SWIM SOMEBODY ELSE'S. WHAT I HEAR YOU SUGGESTING IS WE JUST DO GO DIG A BIG HOLE IN THE BACK, BEHIND THE REC CENTER, FILL UP WATER AND TELL PEOPLE GO PLAY. YOU GOT A RETENTION POND THERE ALREADY. YEAH. YOU BUILD A MUD SLIP AND SLIDE. YOU, YOU'RE IN HEAVEN. BUT I DON'T KNOW LAKESIDE, THEY GOT OVER THERE BECOMING ONE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? UH, AND THEN LAST ONE, UH, SAME THING TO KIND OF GET ON THE RADAR IS, UH, WE'LL BE COMING UP FOR, UH, TO HAVE TO REPLASTER THE POOL. UM, AND SO WE'RE UH, BRINGING THIS TO START THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL. IS THAT THE ORIGINAL PLASTER? THAT IS NOT, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD ONE REPLACEMENT YES. PLASTER 2015. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT'S THE UH, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T BROKEN IT DOWN INDIVIDUALLY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT IS THE TOTAL FOR ALL THESE? I DON'T CHEAPER. NOT MORE THAN WE ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS IN THERE. CAUSE THE HVAC WASN'T IN THERE. IT SHOULD, IT'S ABOUT 1.5. JUST OVER MAKE ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SELL THE BUILDING WAY THAN YOU COULD FIGHT THOUGH. YOU COULD BE A BURNER OR SOIL THAT CAN TEAR IT DOWN AND PUT A SIGN AFTER. YEAH. THIS WAS TORN DOWN BY BURNER EQUIPMENT COMPANY SPONSORSHIP TO TEAR IT DOWN. DON'T NEED YOU MONEY ON IT. KEEP IN MIND TOO, SO PUT THAT 1.5 THAT STILL DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ELECTRICAL ISSUES. SO AS FAR AS HAVING TO REDO THE LIGHTING, I CAN DIG THE HOLD, UM, IS NOT INCLUDED IN THERE. UM, IF WE WERE TO DO ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, THE UH, WEIGHT ROOM FLOOR IS ANOTHER ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT. AND THE ADDON AND ADDON. SO IF WE'RE DOING AN EXPANSION ON WHAT THAT IS, SO THAT'S A, AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT COMES WITH THAT. UM, SO THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT IT'S, SO CAN WE APPLY FOR GRANTS IF WE DO AN UPGRADE? IS THAT POSSIBLE? MM-HMM. INSTEAD OF JUST DOING A MAINTENANCE, CHANGING IT OUT, MAYBE THAT WILL HELP. MM-HMM. , I DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT T P W DOES HAVE AN INDOOR RECREATIONAL GRANT AND I THINK THEIR MATCH, UM, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO APPLY SOME, BUT I THINK THE MAX IS 750,000 MAX THAT WE SHOULD, SO IT'D PROBABLY BE LIKE AN 80 20. SO WE'D HAVE TO, BUT THAT'S STILL MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER FOR US. WELL, IF 20% WAS 750, THAT WOULD BE A LOT. RIGHT? THAT'D BE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY PURSUE AND PUT A PACKAGE TOGETHER IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. MAYBE SOMETHING TO EXPLORE. YEAH, DEFINITELY. YOU'RE GETTING OUT WAY, WAY LESS DEPENDING ON A VLCS GOING OUT FOR DEBT SERVICE. SO HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE REC CENTER DOWN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY? UH, I MEAN IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT PROJECTS THAT WE CAN ATTACK AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I MEAN, I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE LOCKER ROOMS. I MEAN, THAT'S A FULL RENOVATION, SO THAT COULD BE COUPLE MONTHS TO, TO GET THAT DONE. UM, AND THE DIFFICULT PART THAT COMES THERE IS WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT SECONDARY LOCATION. SO IF YOU'RE [03:55:01] TRYING TO UTILIZE THE POOL, UH, THE HOPE WOULD BE WE'D DO THAT DURING LIKE AN OFF SEASON. CORRECT. SO IT'S LESS IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, WHEREAS THERE, I MEAN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO SOMEWHERE. IF WE CAN GET ALL THAT REVITALIZED, IT'S COLD, DO THAT AND THE POOL TOGETHER, YOU ACTUALLY MINIMIZE SOME OF THE IMPACT THAT COMES THERE. UM, SO IT, SOME OF IT JUST DEPENDS ON TIMELINE AND THE EXTENSIVE, UH, PROJECT THAT GOES IN THERE. UM, MULTIPURPOSE ROOM WOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK BASED ON SOME OF THOSE WOULD MAY NOT EVEN, WE COULD TAKE THAT IN ONE ROOM AT A TIME, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. UH, THE GYM FLOOR WOULD PROBABLY BE A COUPLE WEEKS. THAT ONE WOULDN'T BE TOO EXPANSIVE. UM, BUT THE, LIKE THE LOCKER ROOM OR THE, IF WE WERE DOING THE TILE THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY, UH, THEY AGAIN COULD TAKE IT IN SECTIONS, BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP ONLINE VERSUS OFFLINE OR IF WE'RE SHUTTING COMPLETELY DOWN OR, YEAH. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE REC CENTER? SO I HAD PHIL PULL UP THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE CITY. SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, TO, TO YOUR POINT TRAVIS, I MEAN WE'RE JUST THROWING UP 1.5 MILLION OF CRITICAL THINGS, BUT THERE'S THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY DOING THAT OUGHT TO GET DONE IN YEARS. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. JOHN ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THAT KEEPS YOU AWAY. WHAT JOHN, UM, ABOUT THAT COST AND EVERYTHING, UH, WE WERE MENTIONING ON THE BACKSIDE OF LIKE YOU BROUGHT UP THE VALUE POINTS THAT THIS IS INCREASING COST. THAT IS IT SOMETHING TO EXPLORE? IS THIS THE FUTURE OF WHAT THE, THE REC CENTER LOOKS LIKE? AND AS THE CITY EXPANDS AND WE START TO BRING MORE HOUSES IN, IS THIS WHAT IS GOING TO HOUSE THE RESIDENTS FOR ANGLETON FOR THE LONG HAUL? OR ARE AS WE DISCUSSED FOR OTHER SIDES OF HAVING A SENIOR SERVICE CENTER, IS A NEW REC CENTER A BETTER OPTION THAT WOULD BE BETTER BANG FOR YOUR BUCK? UM, THAT IS DOWN THE ROAD. THAT MIGHT INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE FACILITY, UH, HOUSE MULTIPLE PROGRAMS AND OFFERINGS. AND SO IT'S KIND OF TRYING TO WEIGH THAT COST ANALYSIS OF 1.5 IS A LOT, BUT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS EVERYTHING. JUST THAT WE UN WE UNDERBUILT THAT FACILITY FROM THE VERY START. AND I BELIEVE THE COST CUTTING MEASURES ARE WHAT LED US TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, 2005 WISE BASED ON POPULATION AND 15, I MEAN THE GROWTH OF ANGLETON, IT'S, IT'S SERVED THE COMMUNITY WELL FOR THE PAST ALMOST 20 YEARS. LIKE THAT FACILITY HAS DONE WELL TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY WHAT IT NEEDS. BUT AS THE POTENTIAL GROWTH AND EXPANSION IS SEEN IT, I'M JUST SAYING THE DESIGN AND THE FOOTPRINT IS NOT YEAH. YOU DON'T THINK HOW YOU CAN ADD ON AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA BE AT BE ABLE TO DO MORE. SO THERE'S NO ROOM TO ADD ON. IS THERE NO ROOM TO ADD ON? YES, THERE'S VERY LITTLE, THERE IS SOME COMPONENTS THAT YOU CAN ADD ONTO, BUT IT'S WITH THE LAYOUT YOU'RE HAVING TO BE VERY STRATEGIC ON WHAT THAT MEANS. SO EXAMPLES WOULD BE YOU WANT TO ADD ONTO THE WEIGHT ROOM. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO ADD THE CAPACITY TO THE FACILITY? THE POOL IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE COMMODITY THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO THERE. SO THAT SPACE WOULD, SHOULD OR IT WOULD BE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO EXPLORE ADDING ON THERE AS WELL. UH, I MEAN WE MAX OUT DURING THE SUMMER THAT WE HAVE WAITING LISTS AND PEOPLE CAN'T GET IN AND UH, SO A LARGER POOL FACILITY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. UH, BUT THAT ROOM TO THE SOUTH THERE, THERE'S A POOL AND SO YOU DO HAVE THAT, BUT YOUR EXPANSION COST OF ADDING ON TO ROUND BUILDING TO ADD TO THAT BUILDING AND REDO THAT POOL AREA, UM, MIGHT BE JUST, MIGHT BE HIGHER THAN IT WOULD BE TO EXPLORE A NEW BUILDING. UM, WE, BUT THERE'S MAY BE OTHER OP OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU DO AN OUTDOOR POOL. I WAS GONNA SAY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, OR YOU DO A SPLASH PAD, SOME OTHER WATER FEATURES THAT WOULD, COULD YOU EVER JUST REMOVE THE ROOF OFF THE POOL? UH, I DON'T THINK SO. I MEAN, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND TO MAINTAIN THE FUNCTIONALITY OF WHAT THE POOL DESIGN IS WITHOUT HAVING TO, TO LOOK AT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PUMP ROOM AND THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE TO CONTINUE TO, UM, MANAGE THOSE TO ME THAT IN THE LONG RUN, THAT AREA WOULD BE PRIMED TO BE CONTINUING TO BE LIKE A KIDS' PLAY AREA AND THEN PUT A SEPARATE ONE FOR OLYMPIC SIZE OR FOR WHATEVER ELSE YOU'RE DOING. YEAH, BECAUSE POOL'S REALLY NOT USABLE FOR ANYTHING ELSE. NO, I MEAN THAT'S A GOOD IDEA WHERE YOU'D HAVE A, A PLAY AREA WHEREAS VERSUS A LAP [04:00:01] POOL KIND OF VERSUS A LAP POOL. YEAH. MAYBE SITS TO THE WEST A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. AND OUTDOOR POOL BECAUSE I MEAN I'M A LOT OF COMPETITION. LAP POOLS ARE STILL OUTSIDE MM-HMM. , I MEAN IT'S NOT, ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS, THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO, AND THEN THE SAME FOR US, THE TWO MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS WE HAVE. UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CONTINUE INCREASING PROGRAMMING, UH, AND RENTALS AND OFFERING OUR GROUP FITNESS CLASSES. SO, UH, WE'RE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN OFFER FOR SOME OF OUR PROGRAMMING AND SOME OF OUR FITNESS OFFERINGS BECAUSE OF NOT HAVING MULTIPLE ROOMS OR SPACES. SO THERE'S THAT. I MEAN, BUT THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SOUTH THERE TO GOES TO THE WEST THERE. YEAH. WE COULD EXTEND THAT OUT THAT WAY IF NEEDED IN TIME. SO MR. MERRITT'S MY SECOND FAVORITE TIME OF THE DAY. LUNCH. YES. LUNCH IS HERE. SO I RECOMMEND IF YOU WANT WE GRAB LUNCH, BRING YOU BACK IN HERE AND WE'LL START WITH . DO Y'ALL WANT TO RUN THROUGH KB BEFORE OR AFTER? IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE TWO MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TIME YOU KB HERE'S THE BUDGET. WE'RE DONE. YEAH. HERE'S THE BUDGET AND THIS, THIS ONE REALLY IS PRETTY GOOD ANSWER. UM, SO ONLY A COUPLE THINGS POINT OUT. WE'LL START WITH THE REVENUE SIDE OF THINGS. UM, SOME OF THE MAJOR ONES YOU'LL SEE IS WE ARE PROJECTING AN INCREASE, UH, IN OUR REVENUE FOR NEXT YEAR, UM, BASED ON THE WATER BILL, UH, AND FUNDING THAT WE'RE GETTING IN FOR THAT. WE ARE SEEING A GOOD RETURN THERE. SO WE ARE EXCITED WITH THAT. UM, AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE AS FAR AS THE UH, FUND BALANCE TRANSFER, AS I MENTIONED PRIOR TO, WE ARE LOOKING TO CONTINUE WITH OUR, UH, TREND FOR THE MONUMENT SIGNS AND REPLACING UH, ONE PARK SIGN A YEAR. UH, SO YOU'LL SEE THE NEW ONE THAT WAS AT LAKESIDE THIS YEAR. UH, OUT OF THIS BALANCE WE ARE DOING THE ONE AT MASTERSON, SO THAT'S A REPLACEMENT. SO THE INCREASE YOU'LL SEE THERE WAS BASED ON THE PROJECT AND WHAT THE SIGN IS AND WHAT THE SIGN'S ACTUAL COST, WE DID A 10% PROJECTION INCREASE FOR NEXT YEAR'S COST. UM, SO THAT'S ON AS FAR AS THE REVENUE SIDE OF THINGS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO EXPENSE WISE. UM, I'LL JUMP DOWN TO THE SAME THING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS THE TRANSFER BALANCE. UM, SO THE SIGN IS ABOUT 21,000, UH, IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR NEXT YEAR. UH, AS FAR AS COST WISE, MAJORITY OF EVERYTHING HAS STAYED THE SAME OUTSIDE OF THE CLEANUP COST. UH, WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A GRANT FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, UH, TO SUPPORT CLEANUP COSTS. SO WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT TO, UH, FUND SOME OF THAT TO A INCREASE OUR FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN, HELP PAY FOR THE MONUMENT SIGNS IN ADDITION TO, UH, SOME OTHER BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. UH, BUT NEXT YEAR, UH, THIS IS THE LAST SEASON OF THAT GRANT TAKING PLACE. UH, SO NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE BACK INTO PAYING FOR THOSE UH, COSTS. SO THAT DID SEE A SLIGHT INCREASE. WE'VE SEEN SOME INCREASES IN, UH, WHAT THE COST IS TO, UH, CONTINUE THOSE TWO OFFERINGS FROM OUR FALL SWEEP AND OUR, UH, SPRING CLEANUP AS WELL AS WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, UH, A ADOPT A SPOT PROGRAM TO WHERE PEOPLE COULD SIGN UP AND CLEAN UP DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND A WATERWAY CLEANUP. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE INCREASED COST ON THAT ONE. YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE VOLUNTARY DONATIONS THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN AND HOW THAT'S CHANGED FOR THE WATER BOTTLE. YEAH. YEP. UM, AND SO, UH, THE END OF LAST YEAR TOOK EFFECT ABOUT JANUARY, DECEMBER, JANUARY THIS YEAR. UH, AS CHRIS WAS MENTIONING AS FAR AS THAT INCREASE. SO, UH, WE HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN A DROP OFF FOR OURS. UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY CONTINUED TO SEE OURS MAINTAIN A GOOD OFFERING. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE AS FAR AS LINE, UH, 8 0 4. UH, WE WERE PROJECTING A BUDGET. OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, THIS CURRENT YEAR WAS 22,000. WE'RE SEEING WE'RE EXPECTED TO SEE ABOUT 34,000, UM, AND TRY TO BE CONSERVATIVE TO MAINTAIN AS WE TRY TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET, WE ARE PROJECTING 30,000 FOR NEXT YEAR. UH, THAT WILL INCREASE. UH, WE'RE HOPING WILL INCREASE AS MORE HOMES COME IN THAT PEOPLE STILL, UH, PROVIDE THAT OPTION. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPLORE IS ADDING THAT TO, AS WE PROMOTE OUR PROGRAMS, IS LETTING PEOPLE KNOW MORE ABOUT HOW THEY CAN SUPPORT KAV AND THE SIMPLE THINGS THEY CAN DO. SO THAT'LL START TO COME OUT, UH, WITH OUR ADVERTISING IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA ADD TO THAT. BUT WE'VE BEEN VERY THANKFUL AND FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN A D A DECREASE IN, UM, THE DONATIONS TO THAT ACCOUNT. GOOD. IS THAT UNDER TWO MINUTES? THAT WAS NOT, IT WAS 30 MENTALLY. WE'RE ALREADY ON THE, WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT. THERE YOU GO. THANK JOHN. I RECOMMEND A 10 MINUTES. 10 MINUTES. GRAB LUNCH, COME BACK HERE 10 MINUTES, GRAB LUNCH, GO [04:05:01] BACK 15, 15. I'M JUST BEING HONEST. IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH TO GET 15 MINUTES THIS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SITTING. ALRIGHT. 15 MINUTES BREAK. IT'S 1230. WE'LL, WE'LL ADJOURN AT 1215 FOR A 15 MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK IN AT 1230. THERE YOU GO. USE THE RESTROOM. UM, WE ALSO ON THE WATER SIDE, UH, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL WATER LINES. I THINK WE HAVE LIKE 112, 113 MILES OF WATER LINES IN THE CITY OF AM. THEY'RE GONNA SHOW US, UH, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL LEAKS, MAIN LINES, UH, SERVICE LINE METER LEAKS. UH, RIGHT NOW WE IN A PROCESS IS STALLING ELECTRONIC METERS. UH, WE ARE CLOSE TO HAVING LIKE 7,000 INSTALLED. WE HAVE ANOTHER FOUR 500 TO INSTALL AND WE WORKING ON THAT. WHO'S DOING THE INSTALL? WE, WE ARE RIGHT NOW. DIDN'T WE HAVE A COMPANY DOING THAT? AT THE BEGINNING? WE HAD A COMPANY AND COUNTY RUN OUT OF MONEY ON, OUT OF THAT BUDGET. AND THE METER THAT'S LEFT IS LIKE, THEY GOTTA BE CUSTOM FIT. SO, SO A HIRE CONTRACTOR, WE STILL BUY A HIRE CONTRACTOR, BUT WE GOTTA FIND A WAY OUT TO BID IT OUT CAUSE IT'S GOING TO ALL BE GOING TO ALL BE CUSTOM HIT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADJUSTING THE SERVICE LINES TO FIT? YES. ADJUSTING THE BOX CUSTOMERS, ADJUSTING THE BOX, EVERYTHING. SO ANYWHERE FROM TWO INCH METERS UP TO EIGHT INCH METERS. SO WOW. THE OTHER PEOPLE COME IN, THEY GOT THE GRAVY WORK, SO NOW WE GOT TO FINISH UP. SO, BUT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT AND STAYING UP WITH THE NEW CONNECTS OF THE NEW, UH, SUBDIVISION, STUFF LIKE THAT. UH, WE FIX ALL WA UH, WATER LEAKS, MAKES ALL TAP, READ THE METERS. UM, IN THE WATER SYSTEM WE HAVE 12 BOOSTER PUMPS THAT WE MAINTAIN EVERY DAY. UH, THE GUYS ARE OUT TAKING, UH, SAMPLES ALL DAY LONG, SO MOST OF THAT, I'LL JUST DO A QUICK VIEW OF THAT THEN INTO SEWER. UH, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THE SEWER AND THE COLLECTIONS. UH, WE HAVE ANYWHERE ABOUT 47 TO 48 LIFT STATIONS UP TO 150 PUMPS. AND THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TO MAINTAIN 150 PUMPS EVERY DAY. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S GETTING HARD TO EVEN GET A PUMP. I HAVE ONE PUMP ON ORDER NOW, IT'S 19 WEEKS OUT, SO I TRY TO KEEP SOME IN STOCK. IT'S HARD TO, BUT IT, IT IS GETTING A LOT HARDER TO, TO FIND A PUMP. SO, UH, UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING ON, I AND I, UH, WE REHAB A BUNCH OF LIFT STATIONS. UH, WE MIGHT HAVE ONE OR TWO MORE TO GO JUST, BUT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON SOME I I I I IS INFLOW, INFILTRATION WATER GETTING IN THE SEWER AND WE PUMP RAIN WATER. SO, UH, ON AVERAGE AGE WE PUMP 1.6, 1.8 MILLION AT THE PLANT, IT RANGES TWO INCHES. WE PUMPING 6 MILLION. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE GOTTA WORK ON. NOW WE DO HAVE SOME PROBES OUT THERE AND MANHOLES RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WON'T RAIN, SO WE DON'T KNOW THE CLOTHES. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THE I NINE, SO THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A REPLACEMENT. SEWER LINES OUT. IT'S GONNA BE LOT WORK OUT THERE. STREETS, UH, WE TAKE CARE OF THE OVERLAY AND NEW STREETS POTHOLES, UH, POTHOLE PATCHING, UH, UH, STREET SWEEPING TREE TRIMMING SIGNS, UH, CLEANING DITCHES AND CULVERTS. UH, IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WHEN SOMEBODY'S SENDING US EEG GOBS EVERY DAY OR TEXT MY GOV. WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME, JOE? WELL, WE TRY AND KEEP UP. IT, IT'S A LOT OF WORK GUYS. STAYS REAL BUSY. THEN WE HAVE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE. WE REPLACE A LOT OF PUMPS. WE REDONE THE WHOLE HEAD WORKS, UH, THE GRIP REMOVER. UH, WE CLEAN AIR RACING BASINS OUT. WE DO HAVE STILL A LOT MORE WORK OUT THERE TO DO TO BRING THEM PLANTS UP, UH, TO PAR. WE GOING TO WORK, START WORKING ON THE DIGESTERS. WE CHANGED A LOT OF DIFFUSERS OUT, MADE US DONE. UH, NOW WE, IN COMPLIANCE, I PUT IT THAT WAY. SO NEVER WAS OUT, OUT COMPLIANCE, BUT IT IS HELPING A LOT MORE EASIER ON THE OPERATORS. UM, AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE SCADA SYSTEM ABOUT THE WASTE BID'S, ABOUT FINISHED ONCE WE GET THE SCADA SYSTEM, UH, INSTALLED. CUT DOWN ON A LOT OF OVERTIME. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOTTA GO OUT AND MANUAL CHECK THE PLANT. UH, SO THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUT A LOT WHEN WE FINISH THAT. UH, WE, WE STAYING BUSY. UH, I'M GONNA LET HECTOR TAKE THE REST OF IT OVER, UH, ON THE BUDGET SIDE. UH, IF Y'ALL GOT ANY QUESTIONS, [04:10:01] LEMME KNOW. AFTERNOON MAYOR COUNCIL. UH, I'M HECTOR THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. UH, JEFF DID A GOOD JOB GOING OVER EXACTLY WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE TRY TO ACCOMPLISH ON A DAILY BASIS. UM, SO I I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GO INTO THIS WITH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE BIG HIGHLIGHTS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN THE OVERALL BUDGET, UH, YOU KNOW, STARTING OUT WITH THE 5 58 AND THE STREETS DEPARTMENT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO REQUEST A, UH, PURCHASE OF A NEW GRADE ALL. AND THIS IS, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, $550,000. UH, THE CURRENT GRADE, ALL WE HAVE HAS HAD A LOT OF REPAIRS. IT'S HAD A LOT OF DOWNTIME THIS YEAR, SO WE'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON IT AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT HELPING US IN TRYING TO MAINTAIN OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM. UM, AND ANOTHER PART INTO THAT IS WE WANNA REQUEST A, UH, STREETS AND DRAINAGE FOREMAN THAT WILL HELP US IN THAT SECTOR BECAUSE WE DON'T EXACTLY HAVE A FOREMAN THAT'S IN CHARGE OF THE DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER JEFF STEPPING IN, MYSELF, STEPPING IN, OR THE SUPERINTENDENT STEPPING IN. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT CAUSES A LOT OF ISSUES BECAUSE WE HAVE MANY OTHER PROJECTS GOING ON. UM, AND THAT ALSO PLAYS INTO THE ULTIMATE HIERARCHY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE IN PUBLIC WORKS. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE PARTIES ON EVERY SINGLE SECTOR AND THAT HELPS US OUT AND HELPS US WITH OUR DIRECTIVES THAT WE GIVE THEM ON THESE PROJECTS. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN OVERVIEW ON THE, ON THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE 5 58 AND THEN, UM, MOVING INTO THE UTILITY FUND AND WATER AND SEWER. UM, AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IN THE, UM, IN THE OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BWA INCREASE, WHICH IS THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. THEY CAME AND EXPLAINED THAT TO US OF WHAT IT WAS, HOW MUCH IT WAS. UM, SO IT'S AN 8% INCREASE OF 29 CENTS PER A THOUSAND GALLONS. UM, AND THAT PROMPTED THE, UH, THE 5% RATE INCREASE FOR, UH, UTILITY SERVICES HERE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHICH WILL ALLOW PASS THROUGH TO ABSORB THAT 8% INCREASE, BUT ALSO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO REPAIR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S FAILING WATER SEWER. WE'VE ALSO REPLACED, UM, A LOT OF THE PUMPS AT THE WATER PLANTS, A LOT OF THE, UH, DISINFECTION EQUIPMENT AT THE PLANTS, WHICH HAS, YOU KNOW, HELPED US INCREASE CAPACITY THERE. UH, AND ANY OTHER KIND OF WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. AND CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING WITH HDR TO, UH, IDENTIFY A BUNCH OF, OR, UH, ENGINEER A BUNCH OF AREAS FOR US TO START REPLACING THESE WATER AND SEWER LINES. UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PORTION OF CHEVY CHASE, UM, ESTA ROAD, WIMBERLEY STREET, UM, SIDE WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, MORNING IN BETWEEN MORNINGSIDE AND SHADY. WE HAVE SOME BAD LINES THERE ALL DOWN CEDAR STREET, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN MILLER AND, UH, DOWNING AND, UH, VAL, UH, WORKING ON REPLACING THOSE WATER AND SEWER LINES. UM, JUST TRYING TO GET SOME THINGS TOGETHER TO REPAIR ALL THIS FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE. REAL QUICK. YES. YOU SAID SOME THINGS. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL FACTUALLY ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. OKAY. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT BEING HERE THIS MORNING WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT. 5% IS THE WATER INCREASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PASS THROUGH TO THE RESIDENTS THAT'S ON OUR SIDE. YES. 9% IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD FROM BWA. AND THAT'S ADDITIONAL. SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 14% INCREASE YES. THAT THE RESIDENT SEES. OKAY. OKAY. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU SAID SOMETHING ABSORBING THE 9%, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THE SAME PAGE. YES. I APOLOGIZE. YES. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. I DID MISSPEAK ON THAT. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO CLARIFY THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THIS RATE INCREASE, YOU LOOK AT, LAST YEAR WE HAD 400 WATER LINES LEAKS ACROSS CITY. MM-HMM. , THIS YEAR'S BEEN PRETTY DRY. WE'VE HAD X NUMBER OF WATER LINE LEAKS. AND SO WE'RE GETTING AT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. UH, WE'VE GOT WIMBERLY SYLVESTER ROAD THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING ENGINEERED TO GET IN THE QUEUE FOR THAT. BUT WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE WATER LINES WE HAVE TO FIX. AND, AND THAT ALSO HELPS US WITH OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, POP UP ON US THAT WE HAVE TO FUND. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S IT'S AN EMERGENCY PROJECT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT COMES UP. AND ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS LEAD INVENTORY THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, WE STILL REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA PLAY OUT ONCE WE IDENTIFY ALL THESE LINES. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THESE, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, IF WE'RE GONNA DO X AMOUNT OF FEET PER YEAR, OR, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET. AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS, YOU KNOW, WILL HELP US FUND THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THAT DOES COME UP AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, CIL HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO EAT AN ELEPHANT? WE HAVE ALL THIS, ALL THESE LINES THAT HDR IS IDENTIFIED AND ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAVE TO START FUNDING SOME KIND OF WAY. AND SO WE NEED TO START TAKING IT ONE BITE AT A TIME. AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT. BY HAVING THESE FUNDS EVERY YEAR, WE CAN GO THROUGH ANNUALLY, CREATE THESE PROJECTS AND JUST START, YOU KNOW, REPLACING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S FAILING. [04:15:04] AND WITH THAT, I GUESS WE'LL START GOING, UH, WE'LL START GOING THROUGH, UH, JUST THE GENERAL LINE ITEMS OF THE STREETS. OH 1 5 58. WE'LL START FROM THE BEGINNING. OH, THANK YOU. DIDN'T HAVE DO THAT. OKAY. SO AGAIN, ON THE, ON THE SALARIES, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE PACKAGES IN HERE IS THE, THE $55,000 THAT IS FOR THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE FOREMAN THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT IS GONNA REALLY HELP US IN BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN A LOT OF THE, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AROUND TOWN. AND BEING ABLE TO CUT THE DITCHES AND CLEAR THE DITCHES AS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JEFF HIMSELF OUT THERE, ME, MYSELF, OUT THERE HAVING TO GIVE THESE DIRECTIVES. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S IN THIS, IN THIS DIRECT POSITION TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THAT. SO WHAT'S ANDY'S POSITION? ANDY'S A PUBLIC WORKS SUPERINTENDENT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR HIERARCHY, AND THIS IS WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT PLAYING INTO THIS LARGER HIERARCHY THAT WE HAVE THE IDEA FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ON PAPER, ANDY'S OVER EVERYTHING. HE'S OVER STREETS, DRAINAGE, WATER, SEWER, WHICH IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO GO OVER. SO ULTIMATELY WHAT I SEE THIS GOING AS IS YOU HAVE A UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT, YOU HAVE A PUBLIC WORK SUPERINTENDENT, THEN YOU HAVE GENERAL FOREMANS UNDER THERE IN CHARGE OF EACH SEPARATE SECTOR. AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY ANDY OR ANOTHER FOREMAN THAT WE HAVE KENNY THAT'S TRYING TO DO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. WATER, SEWER, WASTEWATER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, DRAINAGE, EVERYTHING THEY'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN NOISE, SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS, SIGNS, ROAD INSPECTIONS, YOU KNOW, SO A LOT OF TIMES I FIND MYSELF IN THE OFFICE TRYING TO MEASURE OUT THESE SIDEWALKS, TRYING TO PUT THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY TIME CONSUMING FOR EVERYONE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT, AND WITH THE NEW GRADE ALL AS WELL, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS KIND OF TIES INTO IT. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A, AN IN-HOUSE DRAINAGE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THESE OPEN CUT DITCHES A LOT BETTER CLEANING OUT THESE CULVERTS. BUT DOESN'T IT SEEM COUNTERINTUITIVE TO HIRE A FOREMAN FIRST AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK? WELL, THAT'S, WE DO HAVE A GRADE OPERATOR AND WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE IN THAT AREA. BUT NOT HAVING SOMEBODY DIRECTING THEM DAY TO DAY ON DAILY ACTIVITIES IS MORE OR LESS THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING. BUT I KNOW THAT WE DID REQUEST ANOTHER MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN IN THIS, IN THIS BUDGET. I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE, I KNOW IT WAS IN THE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 5 65, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WHERE I PLACED THAT ONE AT. BUT AGAIN, THAT ADDS TO OUR, TO OUR STAFFING LEVEL. BUT I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I SEE MORE OF IT AS A, SOMEBODY DIRECTING DAILY ACTIVITIES ISSUE. BECAUSE WHAT I HEAR A LOT, AND JEFF, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT BEHIND ME, THE, UH, THE COMMENT THAT USUALLY I HEAR IS, WE COULDN'T GET TO THAT CUZ WE WERE TIED UP ON OTHER STUFF WORKING, FIXING A, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WASN'T SO MUCH SUPERVISION AS IT WAS WORKERS ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB TIED UP ON WATER LEAKS OR WHATEVER ELSE WAS GOING ON. SO HIRING A FOREMAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY GET US WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. OKAY. YEAH. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT OF VIEW. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AND YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, WITH THE GRADE ALL MENTION, THAT'S A LOT OF DOWNTIME WE HAVE WITH THAT GRID DOLL. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE HAD IT IN THE SHOP THIS YEAR. THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME ALREADY, CUZ IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE SHOP NOW. AND I THINK WE'VE SPENT $35,000 ON IT SO FAR. NOT TO MENTION THE LAST BILL WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED YET, CUZ IT'S STILL BEING REPAIRED. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT DOESN'T HELP US OUT EITHER. WHAT YEAR IS THAT GRID? UH, 2007 OR NO, 2012. 12, YEAH, IT'S 11 YEARS OLD. BUT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, JOHN. I MEAN, SO THAT'S PART OF JUST BUILD, YOU KNOW, THE TASKS WE HAVE TO DO IN THE CITY AND BUILDING THAT COMPETENCY SO THAT WE'RE NOT, CUZ RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, OKAY, LET'S SAY WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO HURRICANES IN THE GULF. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE GET A NOTICE THEN WE, WE END UP SCRAMBLING AND ADJUSTING TO GOING DOING DRAINAGE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUILDING THIS PRIORITY LIST OF ALL THE, THE DRAINAGE AROUND THE CITY. WE SHOULD HAVE A PROACTIVE PLAN WHERE WE'RE GOING AROUND AND CLEANING OUT, CUTTING OR RECUTTING UH, DRAINAGE. AND SO WE'RE NOT THERE YET. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT YOU NEED A FOREMAN, A FOREMAN JUST YET. I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU'RE ALL ADULTS AND YOU CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO SOMEBODY, HEY, THIS DITCH NEEDS TO BE CUT AND SOMEBODY CAN DRIVE BY AND CHECK 'EM EVERY NOW AND THEN AND SEE IF THEY'RE DOING IT. I DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S, WE NEED THE WORK DONE AS OPPOSED TO THE SUPERVISIONS. AND I KNOW WE'LL GET THERE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT EVENTUALLY WE, WE DO NEED TO, TO SEGREGATE OUT THE DEPARTMENT BETTER TO WHERE THESE GUYS ARE WORKING ON THE WATER PROJECTS AND THESE GUYS ARE WORKING [04:20:01] ON THE BUILD OUT OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. AND THAT TO ME, I AGREE WITH, I JUST, RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE TO THE CITIZENS IS SOMEBODY COME AND DO THE WORK. SO, SO IF WE CHANGE THAT POSITION TO BE, UH, WORK, WHAT ABOUT WORKING FOR THEM? WELL, I MEAN, YES, THAT IT WOULD BE A WORKING FOREMAN. THEY WOULD BE OUT IN THE FIELD ACTIVELY HELPING. AND ACTUALLY ALSO AS WELL, I WOULD WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT. VICTOR, DO YOU LOOK TO PUT THIS BRING, BRING SOMEONE FROM ON STAFF AND ELEVATE THEM TO THIS FOREMAN POSITION, THEN YOU'D HIRE A, A NEW NEW GUY OR GAL COMING IN TO, TO FILL THE THE WORKER POSITION? YES. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK FIRST. ALWAYS, ALWAYS TRY TO PROMOTE FROM WITHIN. THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO. SO AS LONG AS SOMEONE'S THERE CAPABLE, ABLE TO DO IT AND AND WILLING TO DO IT, THEN YES, THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. YEAH. IN DEFENSE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THE, UH, THE COMPLAINTS COME DURING THE CRISIS PERIOD OF, OF THIS. IT'S NOT TODAY. TODAY, YES. 300 DAYS A YEAR, EVERYTHING'S GOING FINE. IT'S AT SEVEN OR EIGHT DAYS THAT THERE'S A CRISIS. AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HEAR, THAT'S WHEN YOU HEAR THE HOLLERING. YES. BUT, BUT I GET, I MEAN, I GET IT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DON'T GET, WE CAN'T GET AFTER ALL OF THEM. AND SO IT COMES ALL, YOU KNOW, FOUR PLACES AT ONCE THAT WE GOTTA TRY TO CLEAN OUT PRIOR TO DURING, AFTER THE STORM. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DITCH CLEANING, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR GENERAL, EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE GAMUT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. THE ENTIRE PUBLIC WORKS. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL, WE'LL REWORK THAT AND MAKE IT MORE OF A, A WORKING FOREMAN POSITION ON, ON PAPER, BEING THAT IT JUST SAYS FOREMAN, BUT WE WILL DO THAT. WELL, DO YOU SEE IT AS AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE SALARY, UH, FOR AN EMPLOYEE? YES. IT'S BY WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BY LABELING IT AS A FOREMAN AS OPPOSED TO A THAT TO AN INCREASED RESPONSIBILITY. YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST PUT SOMEONE WHO'S JUST AN, AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, FOR INSTANCE, OR A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN IN CHARGE OF, YOU KNOW, YES. THE SALARY IS NOT THERE TO, YOU KNOW, ACTIVELY PUT SOMEONE RESPONSIBLE OVER, YOU KNOW, OTHER EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING TAX TASK COMPLETED. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE PROMOTING FROM WITHIN THIS 55,000 GOES DOWN CONSIDERABLY OTHER THAN HIRING SOMEBODY AN ADDITIONAL, UM, RIGHT. I GUESS I'D NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE 55,000 LITTLE BIT BETTER, WHAT YOU'RE TARGETING, A PROMOTION AMOUNT AND NEW EMPLOYEE AND ALL THAT. SO HOW ABOUT WE COME BACK TO YOU? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S ONE AREA THAT I HEAR THE MOST FROM CITIZENS, AND I HEAR WHAT MR. BOOTH IS SAYING, BUT I, IT'S SEEMS TO BE AN, I I HEAR ABOUT IT A LOT OF, HEY, THIS ROAD IS FALLING APART OVER HERE. WE NEED THIS PATCH, WE NEED THIS WATER LINE CHECKED. THERE'S A LEAK. I NEED MY METER CHECKED, I NEED THE DITCHES MOWED. CUZ IT'S EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT, THERE'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH DRAINAGE. UM, THIS CULVERT IS BLOCKED. I NEED THIS. YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, NOT JUST AFTER STORMS AND STUFF. SO, UM, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A LOT TO DO. YES. SO WATERLINE LEAKS AND SEWER PROBLEMS ARE, SHOULD ALWAYS BE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, BUT, UM, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET AFTER THOSE PROJECTS A LITTLE BIT FASTER FROM THE CITIZENS. YES. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT WE'RE AFTER IS JUST FINDING THAT MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EQUIPMENT, STAFFING LEVELS, STAFFING POSITIONS, THE ENTIRE HIERARCHY, JUST TRYING TO FIND THE BEST WAY TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE EVERYTHING. UM, AND ALSO HDR IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, GETTING A GIS, UH, MAP CREATED FOR US WITH ALL THE OPEN CUT DISHES. AND THAT'S GONNA HELP US WITHIN MAINTENANCE. CAUSE WE CAN SAY WE'VE DONE THIS ONE IN, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS AGO AND WE KIND OF ROLLED THROUGH THE CITY, ROTATING AROUND, MAKING SURE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING. AND IN, IN A YEARLY, WHETHER WE DO IT ON ANNUAL BASIS, BI-ANNUALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DITCH AND CULVERT GETS CLEANED. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS AS A WHOLE. OKAY. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS, UH, PERSONNEL SERVICES, WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, MUCH PART IN ANY OF THE PERSONNEL SERVICES. FINANCE TOOK CARE OF THAT. OKAY. CAN I STOP YOU THEN? MM-HMM. OVERTIME IS MISSING. THERE'S NO OVERTIME IN THIS BUDGET. SURE IS. OKAY. THERE'S WORKER'S COMP IS MISSING. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BUDGET. THERE'S WORKER'S COMP, THERE'S NO UNEMPLOYMENT PAYMENTS. I, CAUSE I WAS SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THE SALARIES FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND I WAS LIKE, OH WOW, LOOK AT THIS. [04:25:01] AND I GOT INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I LOOKED AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, THIS IS ALL MISSING. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THIS BUDGET. THAT WOULD BE THIS. OKAY. AND I DO BELIEVE IT WAS, YES. I THINK, I THINK, I THINK IT'S MISSING IN SEVERAL OF THE OTHER ONES AS WELL. MM-HMM. , BUT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON. UH, LET'S SEE. INCREASES. SO ON THE, ON THE QUIET ZONE, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE NEXT SIGNIFICANT EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE AREAS IS, IS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, ROLLING IT OVER AS THE SAME BUDGET AMOUNT. UH, BUT IN THE QUIET ZONE, THAT'S ACTUALLY A NEW ACCOUNT THAT WE CREATED AND, YOU KNOW, NAME SPEAKS FOR, FOR ITSELF IT'S TO MAINTAIN THE QUIET ZONE ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. UM, AND THEN IN THE FUTURES, I BELIEVE IN 2026 IS WHERE WE PUT IT TO UP IT TO 30,000, UH, TO HELP FUND, YOU KNOW, A FULL REPLACEMENT OF EVERYTHING IF THE NEED ARISES AT THAT POINT IN TIME. AND BETWEEN THERE WE'RE JUST GONNA BE, UH, MAINTAINING IT AND PURCHASING ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT NEED TO BE INSTALLED OUT THERE. ANY SIGNS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHERE'S IT COMING OUT OF? UH, RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T HAVE A SOURCE OF FUNDING, BUT IT IS BEING FUNDED CUZ YOU'RE FIXING IT EVERY YEAR. WELL IT WAS COMING OUTTA SIZE. IT WAS COMING OUT OF OUR NORMAL OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH PUT A BURDEN ON OUR SIGNED MATERIAL. CAUSE LAST, YEAH, LAST YEAR WE ENDED UP SPENDING I BELIEVE $57,000 ON EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT WAS A FULL REPLACEMENT STRIPING EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD TO DO. AND THIS IS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE PIECES THAT ARE FAILING AS, AS WE MOVE ON YEAR TO YEAR. WHERE'S SIGN AT? UH, 3 8 3 18. MAYBE TWO 13. IT'S RIGHT ABOVE, RIGHT ABOVE WHERE YOU'RE AT. OH, SIGN MATERIAL. THERE WE GO. YES. GOT IT. AND SO THAT'S JUST WHAT WE ORDER SIGNS OUT OF JUST OUR GENERAL STREET SIGNS. STOP SIGNS, POLES FOR ANY INSTALLATION OR REPLACEMENTS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT TOWN. SO SHOULDN'T THAT GO DOWN SOME? IF WE DO, IF WE DO THAT, IT WOULDN'T GO TO FUND THE SIGNED MATERIALS. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE POINT OF IS ADDING THIS AS A NEW LINE ITEM AND FINDING A WAY TO FUND IT BECAUSE, BUT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING IT IS AND YOU'RE REPLACING THOSE, THOSE LITTLE BALLARDS ALL THE TIME. YOU'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS AND YOU'VE BEEN PULLING IT OUT OF THIS ACCOUNT. SOME OF 'EM DID SOME OF IT JUST OUT THREE 15 CAUSE THERE WASN'T ZACH LINE FOR THAT. GET OUTTA CONTINGENCY OR SOMETHING. YEAH. LAST YEAR I THINK WE TOOK, WELL LAST YEAR WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY, BUT, BUT THE POINT IS WE, WE NEED TO BUILD A BUDGET FOR IT SO THAT WE'RE YEAH, IT'S FINE. I'M JUST SAYING THERE SHOULD BE AN OFFSET SOMEWHERE ELSE. SMALL, MINIMAL, BUT SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE DOING IT BEFORE, SO EACH DOLLAR ABOUT A HUNDRED SOMETHING DOLLARS. SO ONE TRUCK GOES OVER AND ALL OF 'EM CAN BUY THOUSAND, $1,500 A NIGHT AND I MEAN RIGHT. AND SOMETIME IT HAS ESPECIALLY DEER REPAIR. YEAH. WHAT HAPPENS? PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION OR ELSE THEY'RE DRUNK DRIVE OVER THE STICKUPS AND THEY BREAK 'EM OFF. THEY DO IT ON PURPOSE. YEAH. THEY GET MAD CUZ IT'S IN THE WAY AND THEY, THEY HAVE YOU JUST THE THOUGHT, HAVE WE LOOKED AT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SYSTEM RATHER THAN THAT'S THE ORIGINAL KIND OF STUFF THAT WAS PUT IN. WE WAS LOOKING AT ONE TIME PUTTING A CONCRETE CURB. IT'S LEGAL IF YOU'S SIX INCHES ABOVE AND JUST FOUR CONCRETE. YEAH. I BELIEVE THAT WASN'T DESIRED BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE IT COULD COST THE VEHICLES YEAH. IF THEY HAPPENED TO GO THROUGH THERE. BUT WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE AND REDO THE PERMIT AND ALL THAT. MM-HMM. , I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MISS THAT. NO. NO. OKAY. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN OFFSET SOMEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE BUDGET. OKAY. SLIGHT. OKAY. UM, AND AGAIN, ON THIS, THERE IS NO OTHER INCREASES THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS, UH, TO OUR SUPPLY ACCOUNTS. UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE, TO THE RMS, UM, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE IS REMAINING THE SAME R AND M EQUIPMENT IS REMAINING THE SAME. UM, ADA ACCOMMODATIONS, THIS WAS A NEW ACCOUNT CREATED, CREATED AS WELL, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS BEING REQUESTED. UH, THIS IS, THIS IS AN UNFUNDED, UH, ACCOUNT AS WELL. SO, SO HOLD ON THOUGH. YOU'RE GONNA COVER THOSE IN DECISION PACKAGES AT THE END, RIGHT? YES. IS THAT SO YOU, ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANT, LIKE WE WERE FOLLOWING PROTOCOL. ALRIGHT. WE'LL JUST SKIP THOSE AND HIT THOSE AT THE END. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL RETURN TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE DECISION PACKAGES. UH, AN INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AGAIN, THIS DOES HAVE AN, UM, AN INCREASE TO IT. IT THAT WILL GO OVER IN THE DECISION PACKAGES. [04:30:04] UM, SIDEWALKS AS WELL HAS ANOTHER, UH, DECISION PACKAGE AND SOLAR LIGHTS SAYS NEW ACCOUNT WILL HAVE A DECISION PACKAGE. OKAY. AND, UH, ON THE PHONES ACCOUNT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO, I GOT PRICING FOR, UH, FROM IT. SO I NEED TO ADD THAT IN THERE. SO, AND I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME. I JUST HAVE TO ADD THAT IN THERE FOR US. EXCUSE ME. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, UTILITIES AS IT IS WASN'T THAT, UH, ONE FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE CARE OF THE UTILITIES, LIKE THE LIGHT BILLS AND EVERYTHING OR I CAN GET IT. OKAY. YEAH, PHONES AND UTILITIES ARE BOTH MISSING UNLESS YOU MOVED PHONES OVER HERE THE SAME WAY YOU DID THE OTHER ONE. UH, NO, I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I JUST KNOW THAT I WAS WAITING ON A PRICE FOR IT, UH, FOR OUR MONTHLY, UH, MONTHLY BILLS THAT WE PAY FOR THAT AND THE SCADA CAUSE WE HAD SOME CHANGES THIS YEAR AS WELL, UM, WITH SOME NEW PHONES AND UH, GETTING SCADA IN THERE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. EVERYTHING ELSE IS REMAINING THE SAME. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THREE 20? THREE 20? OKAY. R AND M BUILDING. YEAH. YOU GOT PRETTY HEALTHY, HEALTHY BUDGET THERE. 65,000 IN PREVIOUS YEARS, YOU JUST HAVEN'T USED WHAT WHAT, WHAT IS THIS MONEY INTENDED FOR? WHAT WAS IT USED FOR PREVIOUSLY? THIS WAS, UH, THREE 20. THIS IS FOR THE BUILDING. THAT'S THE SERVICE CENTER. ANYTHING WE NEEDED OVER THERE? UH, WE ADDED 30,000 IN THIS, I THINK FOR ANOTHER LIEN TO IN THE BACK. AND IN PART I DON'T THINK THEY WAS TAKING OUT THE, UH, RENTAL OF THE TRAILER OUT OF THIS ACCOUNT, BUT I KNOW ONE WAS FOR 30, 30 SOMETHING THOUSAND 30 WAS FOR ANOTHER LIE TO, UH, THE PARKED, UH, EQUIPMENT IN. CAUSE WE AIN'T GONNA HAVE ENOUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BIG LEAN TUBE. MM-HMM. ON THE BACK. SO ANOTHER ONE OF THEM, WELL WE STILL USE THE OLD BUILDING RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR STORES AND PARTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE GONNA NEED ANY MORE MONEY ON THE NEW BUILDING OR ANYTHING EXTRA ON OUR SIDE WHEN THEY START OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR UH, IT SHOULD BE ALL IN THE BOND. BUT YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING COMES UP WE GOTTA DO SOME THINGS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY NEED A NEW, UH, FUEL TANK DOWN THERE. SO WHAT DO WE HAVE? A THOUSAND GALLON? YEAH, A THOUSAND. SO WE PROBABLY NEED, NEED TO REPLACE THAT AND INCREASE THE SIZE. UM, AND THEN LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE LOCATION DOWN THERE. UH, SO THERE'S SOME KIND OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS WE NEED TOO IN THAT AREA THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE BOND. MM-HMM. , WELL I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST LOOKING AT THE HISTOR HISTORY OF THE, OF THIS LINE ITEM. YEAH. I MEAN IT SEEMS MINIMALLY USED OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS. AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THAT EXTRA SURPLUS DURING THAT TIME BALANCE? JUST GOES IN THE FRONT BALANCE. OKAY. ARE WE AFRAID TO LIKE CUT IT CUZ THEN WE LOSE IT OR IS THAT WELL WE USE IT, I THOUGHT WE USE IT FOR LIKE ALL THE GARAGE DOORS REPAIRING, UH, NEW DOORS FOR THE, UH, GARAGE AND ALL THAT, UH, ON THE AC UNITS, UH, GETTING THEM REPLACED. UH, BUT DIDN'T WE REPAIR SOME FENCING BACK THERE? WE DONE ON THE BACK FENCING ON THE BACK OF THAT LOT. YES. IT AIN'T TOOK OUT HERE. YEAH, BUT I THINK IT WAS 15,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. TO REPAIR THAT ENTIRE BACK FENCE LINE. OKAY. THAT'LL BE BROUGHT OUT HERE TOO. SO WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME MORE FENCING ONCE THEY GET THE BUILDING BUILT ACROSS THE FRONT AND MAYBE THE SLIDE GATES. UH, SOMEBODY RAN THROUGH THE POLES OVER THEM ALL DOWN WHEN YOU HAD TO GET THEM REPAIRED AND ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO THE BUILDING OR EVEN THROUGH THEIR TRAILER. OKAY. [04:35:15] ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE CONTINGENCY IS, UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT'LL BE A DECISION PACKAGE. AND THEN THE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT CAPITAL EXPENDITURE 550,000, THAT IS THE GRADE ALL IS MENTIONED, WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AS WELL IN THE DECISION PACKAGES. UH, ONE LINE ITEM, LINE ITEM ON HERE WASN'T INCLUDED AS A DECISION PACKAGE IS ON THE OVERLAYS. UH, YOU KNOW, BUDGETED 250,000 THIS PAST YEAR. BUT WITH THE ASPHALT INCREASE AND ALSO THE COST OF THE MILLING MACHINE, IT'S GONNA COST US 300,000 NOW TO GET OUR TWO MILES THAT WE ALLOT EVERY YEAR. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT AS A DECISION PACKAGE. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR ACTUAL NUMBER. OH, ACTUAL ZERO. YES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT STARTED ALL KNOW WE HAVE NOT BEEN INVOICED ON YET, SO THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. YES. AND YES. AND WE'RE COMING TO YOU AT THE NEXT, UH, WORKING COUNCIL MEETING AT THE END OF THE MONTH TO TALK ABOUT THE OVERLAY PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR. OKAY. TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF IT AS BEST WE CAN TO ROLL OUT. PASTOR, I SENT THE COUNTY EMAIL LAST WEEK. GIMME A DATE WHEN THEY STARTED, BUT NOTHING HE REPLIED TO SOMETHING ABOUT IT'S GOTTA GO BACK IN FRONT OF THE COURT OR THE JUDGE, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. I DON'T KNOW WHY HE SAID IT GOT APPROVED IN JANUARY. I THINK WHEN WE SENT IT IN WE SENT IT IN EVERY, WE GET THE LETTER IN OCTOBER AND WE SEND IT TO EM AND IT'S GOTTA GO IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONER OF COURT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DONE. WE'RE IN JULY. UM, IT'S USUALLY AUGUST. UH, I KNOW THEY OVER HERE ON TWO 13 OR TWO 10 WORKING OVER THERE, SO THEY SHOULD BE HEADING. OKAY. I'LL GET A BETTER DATE OF DIGGING NEXT WEEK. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUE QUESTIONS ON THAT LAST SECTION? YEAH, THE SIDEWALK REPAIR, WE'RE AT 22,000 SO FAR. YOU HAVE 200,000 ESTIMATED FOR THE FULL FULL YEAR. ARE YOU, ARE THERE A LOT OF BILLS OR INVOICES STILL OUTSTANDING? THERE'S TWO SIDEWALKS, THERE'S THREE 18 WHICH IS REPAIRED. THAT'S WHAT WE TEAR UP AND WHILE WE REPAIR THE OTHER ONE IS FOR NEW SIDEWALK TIME. YEAH. BUT ARE WE GONNA SPEND THAT 200,000 I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A MISTAKE THAT ESTIMATING THAT 200,000 BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IS A, IT SHOULD BE A PACKAGE ON THERE QUESTION NEXT YEAR TOO ONLY. I THINK THAT'S A REQUEST. YEAH. THE ONLY, THE ONLY FUNDING THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR FOR, THERE'S THE REQUEST FOR TWO 200,000. THE BASE FOR NEXT YEAR. THERE'S 200,000 ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR, BUT THEY'VE ONLY SPENT 22,000. I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S NOT A, A TYPO OR BE THAT'S GONNA BE CUZ I, I, WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP IN ONE OF OUR OTHER YEAH. UH, Y'ALL CAME TO US NOT TOO LONG AGO AND Y'ALL HAD IN WAY AT ALMOST 160 IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY OR SOMETHING. THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS SOME LEFTOVER THAT WAS THAT BARLAND. YEAH. RIGHT. SO WE'RE AGAIN, JUST LIKE THREE LINES. THERE WAS SOME Y'ALL, WE WERE TRYING TO PICK THE LAST FEW YES. LIKE WHERE WE WERE GONNA SPIN IT. THAT'S NOT BUT JUST LIKE STREET LIGHTS WE'RE TRYING TO, IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGE WE NEED A BUDGET FOR IT, WHETHER WE FIND IT OR NOT OR SOMETHING. YEAH. UH, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT WAS A EITHER, IT'S EITHER THE ARPA FUNDING THAT'S BEING PULLED THROUGH THAT ACCOUNT OR IT WAS A TYPO BECAUSE I INCLUDED ALL THE OTHER SIDEWALK, UH, UH, DECISION PACKAGES IN THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ACCOUNTS ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS. I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SAVINGS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THEN YEAH. MAYBE WE CAN ALLOW YOU TO ROLL FROM FUND BALANCE NEXT YEAR. CUZ YOU'RE SAVING IT IN THIS YEAR. YES, YES. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO JUSTIFY MY HEAD. YES. I MEAN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT 200 NUMBER THOUGH, SEE WHAT Y'ALL USED THIS YEAR. YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING THAT. OKAY. GOOD. MORE CLOSE TO WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SPENT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS? UH, 5 58, JUST THE GENERAL LINE ITEMS. OKAY. WE'LL [04:40:01] ROLL OVER INTO DECISION PACKAGES FOR THIS ONE. OKAY. RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO ADA ACCOMMODATIONS, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, WELL, NO, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS ONE. MY MISTAKE. UM, SO THIS ONE WOULD BE TO FUND A, YOU KNOW, REPLACEMENT NEW INSTALLATIONS OF SIDEWALK RAMPS JUST TO TRY TO MEET ADA ACCOMMODATIONS. AND AS, UH, MANY OF YOU WILL RECALL, WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A KIMLEY HORN DO THE ADA TRANSITION PLAN FOR US PHASE ONE OF IT. UH, AND THIS WOULD ALSO HELP US FUND TAKING CARE OF SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST. UM, AS WELL AS ANY, YOU KNOW, GENERAL REPAIRS THAT WE HAVE AROUND TOWN THAT MAYBE THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A CURB RAMP DOES NEED TO BE REPAIRED OR MAYBE THERE'S NOT ONE EXISTING, BUT WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONING SIDEWALK THAT NEEDS A CURB RAMP JUST TO TRY TO BRING EVERYTHING UP TO ADA STANDARDS. THERE'S GENERAL REPAIRS OR NEW INSTALLATIONS AROUND THE CITY AND THAT'S WHAT THIS, THIS, UH, REQUEST WOULD BE FOR. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, IF WE DON'T FUND IT, THEN ONCE ARPA FUNDS ARE OUT, WHICH THAT WILL BE RELATIVELY SOON, THEN WE JUST WON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING TO ACTIVELY REPLACE REPAIR, INSTALL ANY ADA ACCOMMODATIONS. OKAY. AND THEN MOVING ON TO AND ORDER. OKAY. UH, I'M GOING TO THREE 15 R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT WAS WAY DOWN TO, OKAY, WE JUST WANT TO GO IN THE ORDER OF THIS BOOK. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO GO IN ORDER OF MINE. I, I'M SORRY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YES, UH, CONTINGENCY. UM, THIS IS A, A FUND THAT HAS BEEN AVAILABLE BEFORE IN THE PAST. CORRECT. UM, AND IT'S FOR ANY UNFORESEEN EMERGENCY STREET REPAIRS, IF THERE ARE ANY UNPLANNED REPAIRS THAT NEED, NEED TO BE COMPLETED, THIS IS WHAT HELPS FUND THAT ITEM VERSUS AFFECTING THE REST OF THE OPERATING BUDGET. UM, I KNOW CURRENTLY WE'RE GONNA DO SOME REPAIRS WITH THE, UH, STREET BOND, UH, THAT WE HAD REQUESTED, UH, THAT UH, $300,000. SO THAT'S GONNA HELP IN SOME OF THIS. BUT, UM, THERE ARE STILL MANY, UH, GENERAL STREET REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT AS FAR AS THIS CONTINGENCY LINE ITEM. NO, I THINK MOST OF YOU SEEN THE BIG SINK HOLE IN HOUSTON YESTERDAY. NO, THIS IS WHAT THIS WOULD DO. WE COULD FIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS. UH, I KNOW WE HAVE A, A SPOT IN LORRAINE STREET. STUFF LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED AS IN, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD TAKE CARE OF. SAID WOULDN'T INFECT THEIR REGULAR BUDGET. THIS IS NOT PART OF BUDGET. I JUST THOUGHT OF IT. MAGNOLIA AT MORGAN, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S A SETTLEMENT OVER THE WATER MAIN THERE. IT'S A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD BUMP ON YOUR OWN. MORGAN, YOU'LL CROSS IT. SO JUST MAKE A NOTE PLEASE. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. NEXT IS GONNA BE THE PURCHASE OF THE GROFF. UH, AGAIN, JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REITERATING WHAT I'VE ALREADY STATED, UH, YOU KNOW, HIS GRADE ALLS DEFINITELY REACHED HIS LIFE EXPECTANCY WITH THE AMOUNT OF REPAIRS WE'VE HAD TO DO, UM, IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'VE HAD TO SPEND ON THOSE REPAIRS. AND THE REAL KILLER FOR US IS JUST THE DOWNTIME OF IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S OUT FOR WEEKS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST REALLY SLOWS US DOWN ON TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOME OF OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND NOT TO MENTION OTHER THINGS THAT WE USE TO GRADE OFF FOR AS WELL. UM, AND SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE DOWNFALL OF NOT FUNDING THIS IS WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE REPAIRS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO ON IT EVERY YEAR. CUZ IT'S JUST TO THE POINT WHERE EVERYTHING'S AT THE, AT THE EXPECTED LIFE OF IT AND EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AT THIS POINT. UM, SO WE CAN EITHER KEEP DOING THAT OR WE CAN PURCHASE A NEW GRADE. SO WE COULD DO A LEASE PURCHASE OR, OR SOME OTHER FINANCING OPTION TOO. YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD IN ONE LUMP SUM GET $550,000. [04:45:01] SO I THINK WE'D HAVE TO COME OUT WITH SOME SORT OF LEASING OR NOT LEAST FINANCING OPTION. WE WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, FIND WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO, Y'ALL REMEMBER WHEN WE BOUGHT THE OLD, THE OTHER GRADE, ALL IT WAS, WE HAD A CUT AND A LOT OF THINGS OFF THAT GRADE ALL JUST BEFORE MM-HMM. AND WE JUST, THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE COULD AFFORD AT THE TIME. AND IT'S, IT'S TIME TO BE REPLACED. I TALKED TO JOE MORROW, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR ABOUT THIS, AND HE SAID WE COULD ISSUE TAX NOTES AND AMORTIZING 'EM OVER SEVEN YEARS AND A TAX NOTE COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE, I MEAN, THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION OF THE TAX RATE, OR THERE'S, UH, OTHER FINANCING AVAILABLE WHERE WE COULD AMORTIZE IT OVER FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, BUT IT WOULD BE HAPPY PAID OUT OF THE OM PORTION OF THE TAX RATE. SO WE'VE GOT, I'VE IDENTIFIED TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL FINANCING OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND SEE WHICH MAKES THE MOST SENSE FINANCIALLY IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD. THE TAX NOTES STILL HAVE AN INTEREST BEARING PORTION TO IT. DON'T, DOESN'T IT? YES, SIR. AND THE, UM, THE I NS RATE IS GOING DOWN NEXT YEAR, CORRECT? I THINK THINKING I BELIEVE IT DOES, YES. 24, NO, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN IN THE BACK OF MY MIND ALL MORNING. ALL I'M HEARING ABOUT IS ALL THESE DECISION PACKAGES AND HOW TO BEST FUND IT. I'M NOT SURE A TAX NOTE IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE ANSWER WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER NECESSITIES, HOW DO YOU, WHAT KIND OF CAPITAL PROJECTS CAN YOU INVEST IN IN THE NEXT YEAR TO GET SOME OF THESE DONE AND KNOWING THE SCHEDULE AND HOW IT FALLS OFF. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IF, IF THIS WAS THE ONLY THING WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER, PROBABLY A TAX NOTE, I AGREE WITH JOE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY TO ME AND ALSO HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO LIKE A TRADE-IN VALUE OR ANYTHING OF THAT AS OF YET. SO I MEAN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME, KNOCK SOME OF THAT PRICE DOWN AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AS WELL. YES. HOPEFULLY BEFORE YOU, HOPEFULLY YES, . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO THE REAL QUICK, HECTOR. YES. ON THAT GRADE ALL, YOU SAID YOU SPENT 35,000 YEAH. ON MAINTENANCE ON THIS VEHICLE, ON THIS EQUIPMENT SO FAR. THIS, THIS YEAR, THIS CURRENT BUDGET? YES. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH IT WAS LAST YEAR OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT SINCE I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS, UH, IN PUBLIC WORKS. UM, AND IT'S EVERY YEAR IT'S BEEN IN THE SHOP SEVERAL TIMES. SO BILL DID, DID JOE SAY HOW LONG YOU COULD DO THE TAX NOTE FOR? HE SAID SEVEN YEARS. SEVEN YEARS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SPENDING ALMOST HALF, HALF A PAYMENT ON MAINTENANCE. THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT YES. WHAT'S, WHAT'S PRIMARILY GOING OUT? UH, NO, WE'VE HAD ISSUES. I THINK THERE WAS A MOTOR ISSUE BEFORE AND THEN WE HAD A, UH, WHAT'S REALLY MESSING US UP NOW IS THE HYDRAULICS ON THE ARM, WHICH IS THE MAIN COMPONENT OF IT. UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. ALL THE ROLLERS WORE OUT, RAMS WORE OUT, UH, WHERE IT TURNS AND TWISTS. MM-HMM. , ALL THAT'S LEAK. AND WE HAD A BUNCH OF LEAKS ON THAT FIXED. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT, IT COSTS, YOU GOTTA PULL. YEAH. PUT TOTALLY DISASSEMBLE A THING. IF YOU SEEN IT, IT, IT, THAT THING'S DANGEROUS GOING DOWN A ROAD, TRYING TO DRIVE THAT THING DOWN THE ROAD. SO FELL. IF WE WERE TO DO A TAX NOTE, WHEN WOULD THE FIRST PAYMENT BE DONE FOR READY? DEPENDING ON WHEN WE DID IT, IT WOULD BE FEBRUARY OR AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR TIME. IF WE WERE TO GO ANOTHER ROUND, IT WOULD BE A YEAR FROM THE TIME OF FUNDING, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A TAX THAT PAID. RIGHT. I WAS THINKING YOU HAVE TO, ON THE TAX NOTE YOU HAVE, IT'S JUST LIKE A DEBT SERVICE WHERE YOU HAVE TO ISSUE THE, THE NOTE FIRST, GET THROUGH PROCEEDS, THEN GO AND BUY THE, THE EQUIPMENT. CORRECT? YES. SO YOU HAVE IT IN THE FIRST YEAR. MM-HMM. . BUT I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT LIKE TIMING AND YEAH. THE RIGHT BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR KINDA THING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO. [04:50:05] HOW MUCH LIFE DOES YOUR SKIDSTEER HAVE IN IT? ? UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE ON THAT. WE DON'T, WE DEFINITELY DO NOT USE THAT AS MUCH AS WE ALL, WE DON'T NEED IT A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO IN IT. MM-HMM. MAYBE. CAN YOU CHANGE THE WHEELS, TAKE IT FROM A TRACK TO REGULAR WHEELS AND GIVE IT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT? IT'S GOT REGULAR WHEELS. THERE'S NOT TRACKS. WELL, I, I WAS, I WAS KIND OF GOING THAT, GOING THAT DIRECTION. IF YOU'RE, IF YOUR WHEELED SKIDSTEER IS SEEING THE END OF HIS LIGHT, REPLACE IT WITH A TRACK WITH SKIDSTEER THAT BOTH YOU AND PARKS DEPARTMENT COULD USE THAT THING COULD BE USED EXTENSIVELY. YES. RATHER THAN SIT IN THE SHOP SITTING IN, SITTING IN, SITTING IN THE GARAGE UNTIL THEY NEEDED IT NEXT TIME. YOU CAN HAVE TWO DEPARTMENTS USING THE SAME, SAME PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. I HOPING RIGHT NOW TO BUY EXTENSION FOR THE FRONT THAT GRINDS TREES UP AND WHERE WE CAN CLEAR RIGHT AWAYS AND STUFF WITH IT. BUT WE ALL, I MEAN WE, YEAH. WELL, YEAH. AND WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT, UH, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT NEXT. OKAY. UH, MOVING ON TO THE, UH, NEXT DECISION PACKAGE, WHICH IS, UH, THE QUIET ZONE, WHICH AGAIN, WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS. UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S REQUESTING, UH, YOU KNOW, $15,000 EACH YEAR UNTIL WE HIT 2026 AND THEN THAT'LL INCREASE TO 30,000 JUST SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IF AT THAT POINT WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING'S GONNA NEED TO BE REPLACED, JUST WEAR AND TEAR, ALL THE STRIPING IS GONNA BE WORN DOWN BY THEN. UM, JUST TO GO AHEAD AND DO A FULL REPLACEMENT OF THE ENTIRE QUIET ZONE. I DO WANNA MAKE THIS COMMENT. IF YOU'RE INVESTING 15,000 EVERY YEAR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO THIS QUIET ZONE THAN HAS BEEN PUT INTO IT IN THE PAST 10. AND THE REASON WE WERE IN THE POSITION WE WERE IN THIS LAST TIME WAS CUZ WE DIDN'T DO ANY MAINTENANCE REALLY, OTHER THAN REPLACING THE LITTLE THINGS WHEN THEY GOT YES. I WOULDN'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED ANOTHER THIR 15,000 IN 2026 IF YOU'RE PUTTING THAT MUCH MONEY ANNUALLY INTO THIS PROGRAM. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. THAT'S A SPECULATION. YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH YOU. IF WE'RE PUTTING THAT MUCH MONEY INTO IT, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NEED, BUT I THINK BUILDING THE LINE AND THEN CHARGING AGAINST THAT, WE'LL FIND OUT THE ACTUAL EXPENSES. YEAH. AND IF WE'RE DOING THE MAINTENANCE, LIKE WE SHOULD, LIKE YOU SAID, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT MUCH MORE. YEAH. I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU NEED 15 A YEAR. I, I REALLY DON'T. I THINK YOU CAN I GET TEN, TEN, TEN SEVEN. WELL THEN THAT MEANS WE HAVE A SAVINGS OF $5,000. I THINK THIS INCLUDED THE STRIPING THE GRID OFF. IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. REMEMBER WHAT ELSE? THIS INCLUDED THE STRIPING WITH THE RAILROAD CROSSING ALL THAT TOO. THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS MOST EXPENSIVE. YES. THE REFLECTIVE TAPE AND YEAH, I DIDN DIDN'T KNOW KNOW BEFORE WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WHEN IT'S COME AND DUE YES. YES. AND SAY THIS IS THE REFRESH YEAR AND WE'RE GOOD FOR YEAH. CAUSE THEY JUST, WE JUST DID IT THIS YEAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SPEND THAT MUCH NEXT YEAR, BUT RIGHT. I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH GIVING YOU SOME FOR ME, I'M FINE WITH TAKING A LITTLE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. AGREED. YES. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE WHOLE IDEA OF PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE IS SO THAT THAT BIG CHECK DOESN'T COUNT AT THE END. RIGHT. IT'S THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE. I MEAN, OTHERWISE, WHY WOULD YOU INVEST IN PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE IF YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO CASH OUT BIG TIME? SO I WOULD BE OKAY WITH SPENDING A LITTLE NOW TO SAVE LONG IN THE LONG TERM. YEAH. BUT ALSO, LIKE ON THE CROSSINGS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WHAT, SEVEN CROSSINGS OR SOMETHING? YES. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PLAN, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR TO DO DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS. YES. RIGHT? YES, YES. YOU GOT THE NORMAL BALLARD MAINTENANCE, BUT THEN EVERY THREE TO FOUR TO FIVE YEARS, YOU, IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE, RIGHT? YES. YOU JUST KIND OF ROTATE THROUGH 'EM. AND ASSUMING NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH THAT PLAN AND THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT BIG BUBBLE. YOU JUST GET A BETTER DEAL WHEN YOU DO 'EM ALL ON ONE. I KNOW, BUT AS FAR AS, UH, ALMOST WHAT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL CAN WORK IT OUT, BUT I MEAN, WHY NOT EVERY, YOU KNOW, TWO AT A TIME, TWO AT A YEAR BE A LITTLE BETTER. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. COME UP WITH BULK, LITTLE BULK, BUT NOT, NOT THE BIG EXPENSE. I ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN BOOTH ON CHANGING OUT THE, FROM BALLARD TO CONCRETE , I, IF IT'S ON THEIR CAR, IT'S ON THEIR CAR, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. BUT THAT PREVENTS US FROM HAVING TO FIX THEM EVERY SINGLE TIME SOMEBODY RUNS THEM OVER. MM-HMM. . BUT IF THAT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO LOOK INTO, WE CAN, I DO BELIEVE ON THE, IF I [04:55:01] REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ON THE QUIET ZONE, UM, IT'S JUST A LIST OF EFFECTIVE MEASURES YOU'RE TAKING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT SAFE. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE MEASURES THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO KEEP IT SAFE. SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO, SO LET'S CROSS THAT OUT. SO YEAH, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST US TO GO TO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'D CROSS REFERENCE WITH THIS AND GO FROM THERE. AND SAME THING, YOU CONVERT THE CROSSING AT A TIME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THE CROSS. OKAY. ONLY THING THE CONCRETE IS PERMIT. EVERY TIME YOU DO A OVERLAY, YOU GOTTA HAVE SIX INCHES. SO, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE IT EIGHT INCHES. RIGHT. SO THE NEXT OVERLAY. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YEAH. YOU GOTTA GRIND, YOU'RE GONNA GRIND DOWN ANYWAY. YEAH, WE DO. OR MAKE IT 10 AND YOU GOT A COUPLE YEARS. THAT'S WHAT THEY GOT US FOR THIS TIME TOO. MAKE IT 10. MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO GET THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE BUMPERS, THE LITTLE STOPS THAT YOU GET IN THE DRIVE IN THE NO, WE, WE LOOK INTO THEM. YOU DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA? CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST PUT A JERSEY RAIL DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, WHAT YOU WANT? YEAH. YOU PICK THEM UP AND MOVE 'EM AROUND. THEY'RE HEAVY. OKAY. YES. WE WILL YELL, EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS' GOING. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE. UH, RN INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, THIS WAS AN INCREASE OF THE BUDGET, UM, FOR, UH, JUST THE PRICE OF DRAINAGE COVER. CRUSHED CONCRETE, ASPHALT AND CONCRETE HAVE INCREASED. I BELIEVE THIS LINE ITEM WAS, UH, OUT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, LAST, LIKE THREE YEARS AGO. CORRECT. AND THEN IT WENT DECREASED. AND SO NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET IT BACK TO ACTUALLY WHERE IT WAS AT INITIALLY, UM, TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS. AND AGAIN, PURCHASE OF NEW GRADE, ALL NEW EMPLOYEE, THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO BE ACTIVELY COMPLETING A LOT MORE DRAINAGE AND STREET PROJECTS, WHICH IS IN TURN GONNA INCREASE OUR MATERIAL COST AS WELL, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT THEY WERE USING. SO JUST TRYING TO COMPENSATE FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OF SIDEWALKS. AND THIS WAS JUST A, UH, A REQUEST FOR, UH, 50,000 EACH YEAR, WHICH THIS IS TO FUND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REPAIRS TO SIDEWALKS, ROADS, CURBS, DRIVEWAYS, RAMPS, ANYTHING THAT WE DAMAGE WHILE ACTIVELY REPAIRING THE WATERLINE SEWER LINE, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, NOW THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE OFFSET BY SOMETHING AS WELL OF, AGAIN, TO HAVE SOURCE OF FUNDING NOT DETERMINED ON THIS ONE, BUT THIS COULD BE ANOTHER ONE THAT WE PARTIALLY OFFSET. UH, JUST DUE TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT FROM SOMEWHERE WHEN WE DO THESE REPAIRS. UH, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT OUT OF OUR, UH, R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN IT COMES TO THE REPAIRS OF WATER AND SEWER LINES. 90% OF THE TIME THE WATER LINE BUS, IT BUSTS UNDERNEATH THE DRIVEWAY. MM-HMM. . SO WE GOT DRIVEWAY OUT. SO I KNOW LAST YEAR, I KNOW LAST YEAR WE WERE COMPLETELY WIPED AS FAR AS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD TO PUT OFF SOME LATER REPAIRS TO THE, TO THE FOLLOWING YEAR, SOME REPAIRS THAT WE COULD DO ON CURBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING BUDGET YEAR. OKAY. ON THE NEXT ONE, UH, SOLAR LIGHTS. AND THIS, THIS NEW ITEM AND THIS NEW REQUEST IS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FUNDING THE SOLAR LIGHT PROGRAM. UH, WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH IT. UH, A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THANKED US AND REALLY ENJOYING THEIR NEW, UH, LIT UP STREETS. UH, ONCE ARPA FUNDS RUN OUT, WHICH WILL, I'LL BE COMING FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF ARPA, UH, THE NEXT FEW COUNCIL MEETINGS, I'LL HAVE THAT LIST PUT TOGETHER FOR US TO PICK FROM AND GET SOME GUIDANCE FROM, FROM YOU ALL ON WHICH ONES TO DO NEXT. BUT ONCE THAT ROUND IS DONE, WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETE. SO UNLESS WE FIND A WAY TO FUND IT, THE PROGRAM'S JUST GONNA END. AND NO MORE SOLAR LIGHTS. WHAT'S THE AVERAGE COST PER LIGHT? UH, THE AVERAGE COST PER LIGHT IS ABOUT $4,000, INCLUDING INSTALLATION. OKAY. ABOUT 25 A LIGHT ANNUALLY, SIR. I'M SORRY. SO IT'D BE ROUGHLY 20 IF YOU DID THAT. BUDGET OF A HUNDRED WOULD BE ROUGHLY 25, 20 TO 25 LIGHTS ANNUALLY. YES. WHICH ON AVERAGE THAT WOULD, UH, ABOUT TWO TO THREE STREETS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING LIKE FIVE, WHICH IS GOOD. YES. I MEAN, IT'S GOOD. IT'S GOOD TO JUST ACTIVELY KEEP WORKING THROUGH THESE THINGS. RIGHT. I MEAN, HOPEFULLY ONCE IT'S DONE, IT'S DONE. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE, I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO GO PUT UP MORE POLES IN THE YES, EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN UNFUNDED ITEM AS OF NOW. [05:00:05] ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE LAST ONE. UH, JUST, UH, THE SALARIES PORTION, WHICH IS THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE FOREMAN AS WE DISCUSSED. UH, AND I, UH, I KNOW THAT BASED ON Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH AND KIND OF MAKE THIS MORE OF A, OF A WORKING FOREMAN, KIND OF REWORK THAT POSITION A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALSO WHERE IT'S MORE OF A, A, A PAY INCREASE FOR SOMEBODY IS VERSUS AN ENTIRELY NEW POSITION. QUESTION ON YOU ON THAT ONE. UM, COULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WAITED TILL THE MIDDLE OF THE FISCAL YEAR, LIKE APRIL 1ST? I MEAN, I MEAN, YES. IT, IT CAN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL SEE THAT WOULD, WHILE WE'RE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, PUT A LITTLE LESS STRAIN ON THIS BUDGET, OBVIOUSLY EVENTUALLY ROLL TO THE NEXT FULL BUDGET, 25. BUT AT LEAST ON 24, YOU'RE ONLY PAYING HALF A SALARY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL DO, GET THAT. OKAY. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ALL THOSE DECISION PACKAGES? GOING, GOING BACK TO THIS FOREMAN DEAL, YOU KNOW, YOU, I'M SAYING YOU TAKE A GUY OFF A SHOVEL AND YOU PUT HIM IN THE SEAT OF THE BACKHOE, THEN YOU, WHERE'S THE GUY THAT'S GONNA REPLACE HIM THAT WAS ON THE SHOVEL THAT YOU NEED IT. SO THERE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IS, IS, IS NEEDED THERE THE WAY I SEE IT? YES. WE'RE TALK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDED POSITION, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT JUST A ELEVATED SALARY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDING A POSITION. YOU MAKE SOMEBODY A FOREMAN, AND THEN YES, WE HIRE SOMEBODY NEW. WELL, I JUST THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT, UH, NO, I, THAT'S WHAT I THINK I DISCUSSED. YES. I THINK WE'RE ON THE NEEDING BODIES TO DO LABOR AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE REQUESTED AS A, AS A NEW POSITION HERE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT WITH THAT, IF IT'S A PROMOTION FROM WITHIN OR HOWEVER WORKS, IT'S STILL AN ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE. THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER HEART BEATING ON THE CREW. I THINK ? YES. YES. ANOTHER WARM BODY, ANOTHER WARM BODY, HOT BODY IN THIS TIME OF WORLD. . OKAY. IT'S A NEW POSITION. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS DECISION PACKAGES? IF NOT, WE'LL ROLL INTO THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS NOW WE'RE GOING OVER INTO THE, TO THE UTILITY FUND PORTION OF IT. UH, SO WE'LL START OFF WITH, UM, OH 3 5 6 5, WHICH IS THE, UH, WATER COLLECTION OR, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE OF THE WATER SYSTEM, THE OVERALL WATER SYSTEM. UM, SO ON SALARIES THAT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME. AND THEN AGAIN, THERE'S ON-CALL OVERTIME, THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDED IN HERE. UH, NO PACKAGE DECISIONS IN THAT AREA. DO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SECTION? OKAY. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO SUPPLIES. UH, THIS IS, UH, FLAT AS WELL IS WHERE EVERYTHING IS JUST ROLLING OVER TO THE SAME, UH, UH, BWA OBVIOUSLY HAS THAT INCREASE IN THERE, THE 8% INCREASE IN THERE, UH, WHICH WE HAVE DISCUSSED. AND, UH, CHEMICAL SUPPLIES THAT HAS A SLIGHT INCREASE BASED ON THE COST OF CHLORINE. UH, SO I DIDN'T ADD THAT AS A DECISION PACKAGE JUST BECAUSE IT'S, WE'RE USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF CHLORINE AS WE HAVE. IT'S JUST THE PRICE WOULD UP. SO FOR US, IT'S NOT REALLY A DECISION TO MAKE. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. UH, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE ANOTHER AREA THAT IS PRETTY FLAT FOR US. UM, THE R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, 593,000, THAT A BIG PORTION OF THAT CAME WHEN IT GOT ADDED FROM THE INCREASE TO THE UTILITY RATES THAT WE HAD. AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN FUNDING US TO, YOU KNOW, GET WITH, UH, HDR AND HAVE 'EM START PLANNING OUT THESE WATER SEWER LINE REPLACEMENTS THAT WE HAVE AND THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PUMPS, CHLORINE EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT INCREASE THAT WE'RE HAVING AND KEEP FUNDING THESE ITEMS SO WE CAN KEEP REPAIRING AND REPLACING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. HOLD ON REAL QUICK. ON WATER FUND, WE REPLACED THE SOUTH SIDE WATER TOWER, THE GROUND STORAGE TANK ON, UH, SHENANGO. WE'VE MADE, WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE, WELL, THE WASTEWATER DOESN'T COUNT HERE. UM, WE'VE DONE SOME WATER [05:05:01] LINE REPLACEMENTS. UM, SHOULD WE SEE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE GOING DOWN IN SOME ASPECTS? WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT GROUND STORAGE TANK OFF SHENANGO TRYING TO KEEP IT RUNNING. DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A SAVINGS THERE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE FUNDS WERE, UH, OPERATING BUDGET FUNDS WERE BEING UTILIZED TO MAINTAIN THAT TANK. I THINK THAT TANK WAS JUST TO THE POINT WHERE WE KNEW IT WAS LEAKING OUT OF IT. NOW WE WERE LOSING WATER. YES. SO WE'LL SEE SAVINGS IN THAT ASPECT OF THE WATER WE WERE LOSING. BUT, BUT AS FAR AS US TAKING MONEY FROM THESE ACCOUNTS TO SPEND, TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT TANK, YOU KNOW, JUST BESIDES GENERAL INSPECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JEFF, IS THAT TRUE? WE WEREN'T SPENDING ANY MONEY ON MAINTENANCE OVER THERE. NO. ONLY THING WE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE, UH, IF A PUMP FAILURE AND ALL THAT, BUT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE REPAIRS UNDER OUR PUMP, UH, UH, AS FAR AS PUMPS, REPAIRS AND ALL THAT. I HAD THE MOTORS CHANGED OUT. YEAH. OKAY. I'M JUST THINKING OF ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS. I WOULD DEFINITELY THINK WE WOULD SEE THAT ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, BUT SO UNDER WATER, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, RECODING ON THE INTERIOR OF THE NORTH SIDE TOWER. YES. NORTH SIDE TOWER. UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA APPLY FOR, WE'RE UP FOR OUR C DBG GRANT NEXT YEAR. MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE GONNA APPLY, I THINK IT'S 250,000 TOWARD THAT. IT MIGHT BE A $500,000 PROJECT. SO WE'LL HAVE TO PUT SOME MATCH TO IT. BUT JUST, JUST AS AN FYI, IT'S RIGHT IN THERE BY DANCE. THE THING, I RAN A WATER SLIDE, IT'LL PASS BE DRY BY THREE O'CLOCK. SORRY. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS OR THINGS WE GOTTA DO. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, UH, SUPPLY SECTION OR I'M SORRY, ON THE, UH, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SECTION? OKAY, SO MOVING ON AGAIN. UH, PHONES AND UTILITIES IS THE SAME STORY ON THESE BEING ZEROS. I NEED TO ADD IN THERE FOR THAT. AND PHIL WILL ASSIST ME WITH THE UTILITIES, WHICH IS JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, MOSTLY ELECTRICITY. AND IF ANYTHING IT HAS STILL HAS A GAS CONNECTION, WHICH I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE. THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THROUGHOUT HERE IS GOING TO REMAIN FLAT EXCEPT THE, UH, ANNUAL SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE AND THAT'LL BE A, A, A DECISION PACKAGE. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGH ACTUAL AND ESTIMATED, WE'RE PROPOSING JUST TO FUND OR PUT MONEY IN THIS ACCOUNT JUST FOR THAT REASON. SO THAT'S IT ON THE SERVICES, UH, CONTINGENCY IS ANOTHER DECISION PACKAGE AS WELL AS, UH, THE INCREASE TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WHICH ARE OUR GENERATORS. AND IT'S IT ON THAT SECTION IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE GENERAL LINE ITEMS. AND THEN WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL GO TO THE DECISION PACKAGES IN THIS SECTION. ALL RIGHT. SO THE FIRST ONE OF ANNUAL SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE, THIS REQUEST IS TO FUND ALL OF OUR ANNUAL SOFTWARE COSTS, WHICH INCLUDES THE AAMI METER SOFTWARE, UH, THE IWORK SOFTWARE. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL, UH, SECTOR TO IWORKS, WHICH IS A BACKFLOW PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE SOFTWARE. UH, WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, BACKFLOW MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. UH, SO THIS SOFTWARE IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO RECEIVE AND SEND OUT NOTICES. IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY SEND OUT THE NOTICES TO EVERYONE THAT HAS A BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICE. AND THAT'LL ALSO RECEIVE THE RESULTS FROM THESE BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES AND, UH, SEND OUT ANY, UH, NOTICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF SOMEONE'S LATE, HASN'T TURNED ONE IN. AND KIND OF MANAGE ALL THAT FOR US UNTIL IT GETS TO THE POINT OF ENFORCEMENT. AND THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL TAKE OVER. UH, BUT JUST TO HELP US MAINTAIN ALL THAT. AND SO THAT'S THE INCREASE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, $7,000. CUZ THIS YEAR WE'RE ON TRACK TO SPEND $88,000. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE TOTAL REQUEST IS $95,000 PER YEAR CUZ THAT WILL ALSO FUND THE, UH, BACKFLOW PREVENTION SOFTWARE, WHICH IS $7,000. IF NOT INCLUDING THAT THEN OFF OF SOFTWARES THAT WE ALREADY CURRENTLY ARE IN SERVICE WITH AN AGREEMENTS WITH IS JUST $88,000. [05:10:02] AND THIS IS A P C Q REQUIREMENT FOR THESE BACKFLOWS AND ALL THAT TO KEEP RECORDS ALL THAT MAINTAINED. SO YOU'VE GOT BACKFLOW PREVENTERS AT THESE MAJOR WATER METERS GOING INTO BIG FACILITIES CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ONE ON YOUR HOUSE. YES. ANYTHING THAT IS CONSIDERED A POTENTIAL HAZARD TO T C E Q, WHICH COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, ANYTHING INDUSTRIAL, THEY'RE GONNA CONSIDER AS A POTENTIAL HAZARD TO THE WATER SYSTEM. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE IN THERE AND MAINTAIN THEM YEARLY, NOT AS THE CUSTOMER, BUT WE HAVE TO FACILITATE THAT AND MAINTAIN THE RECORDS FOR THEM. OKAY. WELL HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD THAT BE DONE ELECTRONICALLY? IS THERE SOMETHING HOOKED UP TO THE METER? IT'S JUST BASED ON TIMING. WHENEVER THEY TURN IN, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND FIND EVERYBODY'S, UH, WHICH IS JUST ALL PAPER NOW THAT IT GETS MAILED IN. UH, WE WOULD FIND THEIR LAST DATE THAT IT'S BEEN INSPECTED. AND FROM THERE, THAT SYSTEM WILL TAKE THEIR NEXT, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR FROM THAT DATE. AND, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS PRIOR I WOULD SEND OUT A LETTER TO THEM SAYING, HEY, YOU NEED TO OKAY, YOU KNOW, RETURN YOUR, UH, RESULTS TO US AND BY, AND YOU KNOW, SO ON. SO ONCE IT GETS TO THAT LATE NOTICE, THEN THEY GET A LATE NOTICE AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN PURSUE ENFORCEMENT OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO AT THAT POINT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE UTILITY RATE INCREASE, THIS IS GONNA HELP US FUND THESE TYPE OF ITEMS HERE. OKAY. SO, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THIS IS WHAT THE NEXT, UH, DECISION PACKAGE IS FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE LOAD BANKING AND ALL OUR, UH, INSPECTIONS ON THESE GENERATORS THAT WE HAVE. UM, THERE'S AN INCREASE TO IT, UH, JUST DUE TO THE FACT OF HAVING TO INCREASE THEM BECAUSE OF THE, UH, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLAN THAT WE JUST HAD ISSUED AND THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY IN NOW THROUGH T C E Q. UM, SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THESE GENERATORS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY SAID THAT NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF ISSUE WE HAVE, WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RUN FOR 72 HOURS. AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THESE GENERATORS, SEE IF WE DON'T, SOMETHING FAILS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THAT PLAN, WHICH IS BASICALLY AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE WITH THE STATE THAT WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE ABLE TO RUN. AND THIS WAS OF COURSE PROMPTED BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE AND EVERYBODY LOSING PRESSURE, WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THEIR SYSTEM BECAUSE OF THESE FAILURES. SO IT'S JUST A $15,000 INCREASE TO BRING IT UP TO, UH, $50,000, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY WHAT IT'LL COST US PER YEAR TO HAVE ALL THESE GENERATORS MAINTAINED. SO THIS IS, DOES INCLUDE CITY HALL PD, UH, FIRE STATION AND ALL THAT. I'D LIKE TO BREAK THAT DOWN LATER ON, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. AND AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, RATE INCREASES IS ANOTHER ITEM, BUT IT CAN FUND FROM A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, HYDRANT MAINTENANCE, WHICH WE DO HAVE AN AMOUNT IN THERE THAT IS, THAT WE'VE ALREADY ALLOT EVERY YEAR FOR, FOR HYDRANT MAINTENANCE. UH, BUT AGAIN, WE GOT A LOT OF, UH, HYDRANTS REPAIRED AND REPLACED THIS YEAR. AND WE ALSO HAD THE INITIAL TESTING DONE ON THE ENTIRE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN JUST TO TELL US, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FLOW OF ALL THE HYDRANTS, WHICH ONES WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH, WHICH ONES, ANY PAINTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO, BUT THAT WAS FUNDED THROUGH THE, UH, UTILITY INCREASE THAT WE HAD. AND AGAIN, UTILITY INCREASE, WE'LL FUND THIS AS WELL. AND IT'S JUST TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM JUST TO WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY, WE'RE, WE'RE TESTING ONE SIDE OF TOWN EACH YEAR, TESTING HALF OF THE HYDRANTS EACH YEAR. AND THEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH PAINTING, REPAIRS, REPLACEMENTS, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT WE GET. JUST TRYING TO, UH, ACTIVELY MAINTAIN THESE HYDRANTS ACTUALLY HAVE A HYDRO MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD IN THE PAST. WELL, I ONE APPRECIATE Y'ALL STEPPING OUT AND DOING THAT. UH, I WORKED OUT AT PORT FREEPORT. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF FIRE HYDRANTS DOWN THERE AND I, I DON'T CALL 'EM OUT IN PUBLIC, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T TURN 'EM ON . WE PROBABLY ALREADY PLAYED 30 OF 'EM THIS YEAR OFF 30 OF THEM THIS YEAR SO FAR. I MEAN, IT SEEMS MONOPOLOUS TO GO OUT THERE, OPEN UP THE, OPEN IT UP, FLOW IT, BUT YOU NEED TO BE, FIREMAN NEEDS TO KNOW WHEN HE PULLS UP TO THAT FIRE HYDRANT AND THE PERSON WHOSE HOUSE IS BURNING DOWN NEEDS TO KNOW THAT FLOW, THAT FLOW'S GONNA COME OUTTA THAT FIRE HYDRANT. YES, EXACTLY. AND SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE WHOLE, UH, DRIVING PURPOSE BEHIND THAT IS YOU, IS WE KNEW, WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, FOR FIRE SAFETY AND ALSO FOR OUR PURPOSES, YOU KNOW, CLEARING WATER LINES AND NOT TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, STATE REGULATIONS OF HAVING YOUR HYDRANTS ACTIVELY WORKING. BUT I THINK THAT AFFECTS OUR ISO RATING TOO. DOES IT? YES, IT DOES. HAVING FIRE [05:15:01] HYDROGENS COMPLIANT MM-HMM. DOESN'T ADD TO OUR RATING. IT KEEPS US AT WHATEVER RATING KEEPS GOING DOWN. SURE. AND IT ALSO GIVES US ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FLOWS, PRESSURES, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN, AND THEN ON THE VERY BACK END OF THINGS, WELL THE MOST LEAST IMPORTANT BUT STILL IMPORTANT IS THE AESTHETICS OF THEM. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME HYDRANTS AROUND THERE. THEY'RE LOOK PRETTY BAD, RUSTED OVER, THEY STILL WORK, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST NEED A NICE CLEAN PAINT JOB AND THIS WILL HELP FUND THAT AS WELL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ALL THESE DECISION PACKAGES FOR THE 5 65 WATER COLLECTIONS? OKAY. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE, UH, WHICH IS FIVE 70. THIS IS OUR, UH, SEWER. AND SO THIS IS A, UH, DECISION PACKAGE THAT WE HAVE MADE. IT'S, UH, ON THE SALARIES, UH, $35,000 PACKAGE ON THAT ONE AND INCREASED HIS SALARIES, UH, WHICH NEW EMPLOYEE I MENTIONED. UM, AGAIN, EVERYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO GET ENTERED IN HERE ON. SAME THING. THE ON-CALL, THE OVERTIME, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO THAT'S IT ON PERSONNEL SERVICES UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. UH, MOVING ON TO SUPPLIES. ALL OF THESE ARE FLAT, JUST BASICALLY A ROLLOVER FROM THIS PAST YEAR EXCEPT FOR, UH, UH, CHEMICAL SUPPLIES. AND THIS LARGE INCREASE IS DUE TO, UH, THE BIO REMEDIATION THAT WAS REQUESTED OF THE CERTAIN LIFT STATIONS WE HAVE AROUND TOWN TO HELP ELIMINATE THE GREASE AND ODORS THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE, UH, OVER THERE OFF KC STREET, THAT LIFT STATION WAS ONE OF 'EM. AND WE'RE ALSO PUTTING SOME AT, UH, THE ONE OFF VALDERS THERE THAT HAD THE REPAIRS THIS YEAR. LIFT STATION NUMBER EIGHT BY CAWTHORNE. UH, WE'RE PUTTING SOME THERE AS WELL. AND ALSO DOWN BY THE, THE COUNTY JAIL. THAT LIFT STATION WE HAVE THERE. WE'RE GONNA KEEP, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SYSTEM THERE ALREADY. WE'RE JUST GONNA BE PAYING FOR, FOR THE CHEMICALS TO PUT IN IT. CAUSE THAT ACTIVELY COMES DOWNSTREAM TO US THE OTHER WAY AND HELPS. THAT SHOULD HELP. WE WANNA PAINT MY WAY OUT TO THE PLANT. IT KEEPS FLOWING FROM LIFT STATION TO LIFT STATION AND SHOULD CUT DOWN ON THE SMELL. YEAH, BUT YOU WANNA PUT, YOU WANNA SPEND MONEY TO PUT CHEMICALS IN INTO A LIFT STATION IN THE COUNTY BY THE, SO BASED ON, BASED ON AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THAT IS THE CITY'S LIFT STATION. SO WE'VE MAINTAINED IT. WE CHECK EVERY DAY. I IT, BUT IS ANYBODY COMPLAINING ABOUT IT? WELL THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE SMELL THAT ON HERE ROAD BY THE EXACO WHEN YOU GO WEST ON HARRISON ROAD. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE IT DUMPS INTO. AND THAT'S WHY ALL THAT SMELL COMES THERE AND DOWN TO WAN. YEAH, THAT'S PUMPING EXACTLY FIVE MILES. SO YEAH, SO WHEN THIS GOT PROMPTED TO IS THAT'S WHAT WE LOOKED AT. LIKE WHERE ARE ANY OTHER TYPE OF COMPLAINT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND LET'S JUST ADDRESS THEM ALL RIGHT NOW WITH THIS, WITH THIS CHEMICAL. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT DECISION PACKAGE IS GONNA BE. YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO DO IT FOR THE, FOR THE DETENTION CENTER? THAT'S A LONG WAY. THAT STUFF HAS GOTTA GET RIPE ON THE WAY DOWN. SO YES. AND SO WE ACTUALLY, AS I MENTIONED, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A SYSTEM THERE WITH THE PUMP AND UH, IT WAS MORE LIKE A, A PILOT KIND OF DEMO THING. BUT YES, WE HAD USED IT THERE AND IT WORKED OKAY. IT EFFECTIVELY WORKED THERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PROMPTED TO, HEY, LET'S FIX THE SMELL. YOU KNOW, WE WERE CONFIDENT THAT THIS WAS GONNA WORK FOR US WHEN WE, WHEN WE PUT THAT SYSTEM IN. IT WAS KIND OF A, I DON'T WANNA BE DOWNSTREAM WHEN THAT THING DISCHARGES CAUSE IT, IT'S BAD. IT'S MAYBE THEY PUMP MORE THAN THEY STARTED OUT PUMPING, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES RUN QUITE A BIT. YEAH. GOOD. A LOT OF FLOW OUT THERE SPEAKING A LOT OF FLOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO, UH, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ACCOUNTS. UH, AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL REMAINING THE SAME AND YES, UH, INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR TO THE 563,000 AS OUR NORMAL OPERATING BUDGET THAT WE REQUESTED. PLUS THE EXTRA FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FROM THE UTILITY RATE INCREASE THAT WE ARE, UH, USING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, FUND HDRS ENGINEERING OF THE SEWER LINER REPLACEMENTS THAT WE PLAN ON DOING. UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR TO LAST BUDGET YEAR TO THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S IT ON THAT, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT IS DONE. SERVICES, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER, EVERYTHING'S JUST REMAINING THE SAME IN THAT AREA. [05:20:02] AND, UH, MISCELLANEOUS THE CONTINGENCY IS THE ONLY DECISION PACKAGE THAT'S GONNA BE AN INCREASE THERE. AND THAT'S, WE'LL GO OVER THAT IN A SECOND. THAT'S IT ON GENERAL LINE ITEMS OF FIVE 70 SEWER. UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE, NOT WE WOULD GO TO DECISION PACKAGES. UH, SO WE'LL JUMP RIGHT IN HERE TO CHEMICAL SUPPLIES. AND THIS IS WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE BIORE REMEDIATION OF THE COLLECTION SYSTEM AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO AFFORD THE AMOUNT OF CHEMICAL THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING. WE'RE GONNA NEED TO ACTIVELY TREAT THESE SYSTEMS AND THIS IS ALSO GONNA HELP US. UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA HELP US, UH, BUT WE DO KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A BENEFIT BASED ON OTHER STUDIES THAT THEY'VE DONE AT DIFFERENT TREATMENT PLANTS THAT ACTIVELY USE THIS IN THEIR COLLECTION SYSTEM. BUT IT IS GONNA HELP TREATMENT AT OUR PLANT WHEN IT MAKES IT THERE CUZ THIS BIO REMEDIATION, THESE CHEMICALS AND WHAT IT'S HELPING DO IN THE WASTEWATER IS GONNA END UP ALL THE WAY AT THE PLANT AND EVERYTHING ELSE DOES. AND IT'S GONNA HELP US THERE, WHICH, SO WE SHOULD START SEEING SOME REDUCTION IN OUR OPERATING COSTS THERE AGAIN, DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER UNTIL WE ACTIVELY GET INTO IT. GET OUR DOSAGES CORRECT OF THE TYPE OF TREATMENT THAT WE WANNA SEE. AND WILL THE, UM, THE RAIN LEAKAGE DILUTE IT AT ALL? WE HAVE LIKE A RAIN EVENT OR ANYTHING? UH, YEAH, OF, OF COURSE WHEN WE HAVE THESE HIGH RAINS, YES, OF COURSE WE HAVE INCREASED FLOW AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF WATER THERE. IT DILUTES EVERYTHING. UH, AND AGAIN, AS JEFF HAD MENTIONED, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACTIVELY WORK ON RIGHT NOW. I I, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF AN I I STUDY AT THE LIFT STATION 25 BASIN AREA, WHICH IS DOWN SHANKS ROAD OFF THE HIGH OFF WAY DOWN THERE OFF 2 88 SOUTH, 2 88, BETWEEN, UH, PHILLIPS AND, UH, COUNTY ROAD TWO 20, EVERYTHING OFF OF THE HIGHWAY THERE, BACK BEHIND SHANKS, THAT TRAILER PARK BACK THERE. THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW. I NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE QUEUED UP, READY TO GO RIGHT AFTER WE COMPLETE THIS ONE. SO, UH, YES, WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO SLOW DOWN SOME OF THIS RAINWATER COMING IN. ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT PACKAGE IS, UH, THIS IS AGAIN A NEW POSITION THAT I MENTIONED. IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST FOR A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN, $35,000 A YEAR. UM, AND THE COLLECTIONS UNIT. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE IN THIS SECTOR AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THE, UH, COLLECTIONS, JUST SEWER LINES, MANHOLE, YOU KNOW, INSPECTING ALL THOSE, TAKING CARE OF ANY SEWER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. SO THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET A COUPLE SEWER CALLS AT ONE TIME AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE GUY DRIVING THE BACK TRUCK, FOR INSTANCE. THE OTHER TWO GUYS ARE WORKING THERE. SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT EXTRA PERSON EXTRA HELP TO HELP BREAK OFF AND GO CHECK THIS OTHER ONE. MAYBE TWO GUYS COULD SPLIT UP AND TAKE CARE OF TWO THINGS AT ONE TIME. OR TWO GUYS COULD BE, UH, FILMING A CUSTOMER SEWER LINE TO FIND ISSUES FOR THEM OR, YOU KNOW, CAMERAING OUR LINES AND WHILE THE OTHER TWO COULD BE ACTIVELY WORKING ON AN ISSUE. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADD A, AN EXTRA EXTRA PERSONNEL HERE JUST TO HELP INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY AND HOW WE'RE ABLE TO GET THINGS DONE AND GET SOME MORE GENERAL MAINTENANCE DONE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANHOLE REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, THE CONCRETE ARE OUT MAN HOLES THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED AND ALSO INSPECTING THESE THINGS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY DO ANY GENERAL INSPECTIONS ON OUR SEWER LINES AS FAR AS JUST ACTIVE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE HAMMERING OF THE LINES. WE DON'T, WE DON'T ACTIVELY DO THAT CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL FOR IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS REQUEST WOULD HELP FUND. AND AGAIN, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, INCREASE TO, UH, TO THE UTILITY RATES AS WE'RE DOING ALREADY TO OFFSET VWA, BUT IT ALSO GIVES US, YOU KNOW, EXTRA FUNDING AND THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM THAT, THAT COULD FUND ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE DECISION AND PACKAGES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO THE LAST ONE. UH, 5 71, WHICH IS PLANT OPERATIONS. UM, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING WILL BE REMAINING THE SAME ON HERE ON CALL OVERTIME. AGAIN, NOT, THOSE THINGS ARE STILL, WE STILL NEED TO ADD THOSE THINGS IN THERE. ONE MONEY. AND THEN AS FAR AS SUPPLIES, ALL THOSE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE REMAINING THE SAME. UH, THERE WAS A, OH, CHEMICAL SUPPLIES IS ONE. AGAIN, SAME, SAME CONCEPT. I DID NOT INCLUDE IT AS A DECISION PACKAGE BECAUSE THAT INCREASE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S CHLORINE, WE'RE GONNA USE THE SAME AMOUNT. IT'S JUST THE PRICE OF CHLORINE WENT UP. SO, AND AS YOU CAN TELL, REFLECT FROM THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WHERE WE DIDN'T INCREASE IT AND NOW WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL WHERE WE'RE AT THIS YEAR'S 30, WE'RE ALREADY $9,000 OVER. SO, UH, THAT 50,000 WILL ALLOT FOR NEXT YEAR. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE FUNDED THROUGH, [05:25:01] UH, THE UTILITY, INCREASE THAT MONEY, WE'LL HAVE EXTRA FUNDING TO MOVE OVER INTO THOSE ACCOUNTS. UH, SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, UH, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. UH, WE HAVE SOME PACKAGES HERE, UH, R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE A PACKAGE THERE AND A SLEDGE REMOVAL. WE HAVE A PACKAGE THERE. AND SO WE'LL GET TO THOSE WHEN WE GET PAST THAT. BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE GENERAL ITEMS? EVERYTHING ELSE REMAIN THE SAME EXCEPT, UH, THE R AND M EQUIPMENT. THAT ONE WE DID PUT IN AS A SAY, INCREASE WITHOUT A DECISION PACKAGES. AND I BELIEVE FOR ME THAT WAS JUST ONE. CUZ IT WASN'T. IT WAS A SLIGHT INCREASE AND YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO OFFSET IT WITH THE INCREASE WE'VE ALREADY HAD ON THE UTILITY RATES THE PAST, UH, INCREASE WE HAD. SERVICES ARE ALL GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME. THAT IS IT ON THOSE, THERE'S ANY, NOT ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE GENERAL LINE ITEMS THAT WE WILL GO INTO THE DECISION PACKAGES? NO. OKAY. SO THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS EQUIPMENT RENTAL. AND THIS IS JUST A, AN INCREASE JUST FOR THIS YEAR. $3,000. IT'S FOR THAT WE CAN RENT THE BULLDOZER CAUSE WE WANT TO CLEAR THE ENTIRE AREA BEHIND THE WASTEWATER PLANT. SO THIS WILL JUST FUND US RENTING A, A BULLDOZER FOR THAT WEEK THERE. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU CLEAR IT? AFTER WE CLEAR IT? WELL, UH, I CARE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT'S BEEN CLEARED? IT'S BEEN QUITE SOME TIME, RIGHT? THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WE CLEAR IT AND THEN WE LET IT SIT THERE UNTIL WE HAVE TO DO IT. I CAN ROLL BACK UP. WELL, IF YOU WANT JUST, I MEAN, UH, WE COULD HAVE THIS DECISION PACKAGE EVERY YEAR, $3,000 EACH YEAR FOR THE RENTAL OF IT. 3000 EVERY OTHER YEAR FOR THE RENTAL OF IT. AND CLEAR IT OUT AS SO OFTEN. A LOT OF IT IS WHERE WE DUMP OR DIRT, EXCESS DIRT BACK THERE. AND DRAINAGE DISTRICT, THEY'LL COME AND DIG OUT BACK THERE. SO WHAT WE DO IS TAKE OUR EXCESS DIRT AND PILE IT UP OUT THERE AND THEN LATER ON WE SPREAD IT AND THAT'S WHERE WE DUMP ALL OUR DEBRIS, TREE DEBRIS. SO WE, WE SPREAD THAT OUT, CRUSH IT UP AND UM, SPREAD IT OUT IN THE AREA. BUT IT AIN'T BEING CLEARED. I THINK I CLEARED IT 15, 20 YEARS AGO. I TOOK A DOZER OUT THERE AND PILE EVERYTHING UP. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S DO IT. WE LET SIT THERE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE NO MOWER OUT THERE THAT, I MEAN THAT'S TAKES UP 15 FOOT TO MOW IT. 75 ACRES. DRAINAGE DISTRICT COUNCILORS OUT. LITTLE BIT SOME OF BACK THERE. BUT I HATE TO SEE IT GROWED UP LIKE IT DID BEFORE. IT DID BACK. I HEARD HE IS YOUR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SO YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME. I'LL TAKE SOUNDS LIKE IT. COUNCILMAN BOOTS SAID THAT. I THINK HE DID. MM-HMM. SKI STEER, SKID STEER. SKID STEER. PUT THAT GRINDER ON THE FRONT OF THE SKID STEER AND TURN. YEAH, YEAH. TURN HIM LOOSE. YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, I'LL SEE YOU AT, I'LL SEE YOU AT THE END OF THE WEEK . YEAH, BY TIME CLEAR IT, IT'LL BE TIME TO CLEAR IT AGAIN. OKAY. WE'LL WE'LL GET THAT IN AS LIKE A YEARLY, YEARLY MAINTENANCE WE DO WITH THAT. AND THEN ON, UH, THIS, UH, THIS INCREASES FOR A NEW OPERATOR OUT THERE. UH, SO TO ACTIVELY OPERATE THAT PLANT, UH, WE NEED FIVE TOTAL EMPLOYEES AND CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE FOUR. AND ACTUALLY ONE OF 'EM IS PART-TIME, UH, WHICH IS THE, OUR LAB TECH OUT THERE. UH, SO THIS WILL HELP US JUST ACTIVELY MAINTAIN THE FACILITY A LITTLE BIT BETTER. RIGHT NOW, WE'VE JUST GOTTEN TO THE POINT WITH THE STAFF LEVEL THAT WE ARE MORE OR LESS JUST OPERATING THAT PLAN. JUST THE DAILY THINGS WE HAVE TO DO THE TCE KEY REQUIRES AND JUST THE GENERAL DAILY THINGS WE HAVE TO DO TO KEEP THE PLACE GOING. BUT WHAT'S SLOW IT, WHAT WE'RE SLOWING DOWN ON NOW IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE OUT THERE AND KEEPING TRACK OF THINGS AND THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH AN ADDITIONAL OPERATOR, THINGS THAT WE COULD GET DONE OUT THERE AND MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF THE DAILY TASKS, DAILY THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO BETWEEN SAMPLING AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT JUST TAKES UP TOO MUCH OF THE DAY. RIGHT NOW I'M PULLING A GUY ON ONE OF MY CREWS OUT THERE TO HELP MOW WE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, AND AGAIN, THIS POSITION CAN BE FUNDED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASES THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE FUNDED ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS THROUGH THAT. [05:30:02] AND THE LAST LAST DECISION PACKAGE WE HAVE IS GOING TO BE FOR SLUDGE OR SLUDGE REMOVAL. UH, YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE WE'RE CLEANING OUT THESE BASINS AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA WORK ON CLEANING OUT THE DIGESTERS. THIS IS ALL THROUGH ARPA FUNDING. UH, SO HOW WE LOOK AT IT IS THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR SECTORS THAT WE NEED TO ACTIVELY CLEAN OUT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO OF THE VARIATION BASINS THAT WE HAVE THE TWO SECTIONS OF THE DIGESTERS IN THE BACK OF THE PLANT. UH, SO THIS IS JUST A FUND CLEANING ONE SEC ONE OF THOSE EACH YEAR. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE JUST NEED TO GET ON A CONSTANT, CONSTANT YEARLY BASIS OF CLEANING THESE THINGS OUT. IT'S ACTIVE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING. IT'S JUST WASN'T HAPPENING. LUCKILY WE HAD ARPA FUNDS TO, YOU KNOW, GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO BE AT. BUT FROM THERE WE NEED TO ACTIVELY PERFORM THIS ROUTINE MAINTENANCE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE OPERATION OF THE PLAN. SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THIS INCREASES FOR, AND AGAIN, CAN BE FUNDED THROUGH THE UTILITY INCREASE. BUT SO REALLY THAT'S NOT THE WATER FUND THOUGH. THIS IS THE SEWER PORTION OR SEWER FUND? YES. BUT THE PREVIOUS ONE WE DID, I BELIEVE WE HAD PUT IT ON SEWER AND WATER. CORRECT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE I MENTIONED. NOT MAYBE NOT THE CURRENT INCREASE YET. WE'RE SPEAKING OUT A TERM, NOT THE CURRENT ONE WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT PREVIOUS WE'RE PROPOSING 5% INCREASE AND WATER AND OKAY, WELL THEN, SO IT COULD FLOOD THAT THEN, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? SO THESE ARE ALL THE DETAILS, RIGHT? PACKAGES, RIGHT? YES. SO YOU'RE WANTING TO FUND A WATER AND SEWER RATE INCREASE AND WITH THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING ON A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL COSTS WITH THAT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN THE, THE WATER AND SEWER RATE STUDY, AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS WAS TO FIX SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO OF THESE PACKAGES, YOU KNOW, I SEE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ADDING A COUNT HERE AND, AND OTHER THINGS. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO FIX THE SYSTEM? THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE TESTING OF THE MANHOLES AND ALL THAT. AND THAT WOULD GIVE US DATA WORK TO START OUT, WHERE'S THOSE WORK POINT AT? WHERE DO WE NEED TO GO REPLACE? SO PLUS HECTOR'S BEEN WORKING ON, UH, WE GOT SOME ISSUES OVER, AROUND, OFF OF WILKIN. SOME OLD LINES NEVER BEEN CHANGED OUT. SO, AND I'M, I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. BUT BUT TO YOUR, SO TO YOUR POINT, EVERYTHING I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S A $400,000 INCREASE FOR SEWER. WELL Y'ALL JUST SHOWED $400,000 WORTH OF STUFF, BUT HOW DOES THAT GET AT THE SEWER LINES THAT ARE COLLAPSING OR THE MANHOLES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OR THE WHATEVER. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA JUSTIFY TO THE CITIZENS WHY WE'RE RAISING THESE RATES TO FIX THE, THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE, HOW WE'RE DOING THAT, WE GOING OUT SOME BARBECUE OR, AND WE GOT, NOW WE GOTTA GET EACH HDR TO DESIGN IT CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE OVER. SO WE WE'RE KIND WAITING ON THEM NUMBERS AND SEE IF WE'RE GOING PIPE BURST OR, UH, CUT AND REPLACE OR WHAT. BUT WE DO HAVE THEIR PICKED OUT AND READY. UH, HDR IS WORKING ON IT. BUT, BUT I THINK WHAT JOHN'S ASKING FOR IS WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA GET AFTER? SO FOR, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA SAY I THINK IT'S $800,000 OVERALL THAT WE PUT THE WATER SEWER, WHAT OF THAT IS PROJECTS VERSUS ONE OF THAT IS LIKE SPECIAL WE NEED TO FIX NOW KIND OF THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN I'D LIKE TO, I JUST WANNA, WE CAN BRING, I THINK WE NEED A BIGGER PICTURE TO LOOK OKAY. AND SAY OKAY, WE, WE CAN BREAK IT DOWN. BECAUSE I THINK IN A CO COUNCIL MEETINGS A FEW MONTHS AGO YOU HAD THE, ALL THE LIFT STATIONS AND WHICH ONES WE'VE TACKLED AND WHICH ONES WE HAVE LEFT SOMETHING SIMILAR. HEY, HERE'S THE STUFF THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GO AFTER. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE TAKING IN THIS NEXT BUDGET WITH THIS NEXT INCREASE. WHAT ARE WE GOING AFTER? RIGHT? OKAY. EVEN IF IT'S A BUILDING BLOCK TO IT, IT, WE NEED TO SEE THAT. SO COMPANY LIKE WE DID THE WATER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE WEMBERLEY WATERLINE, WE'RE GOING THE SEWER PLANT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WE DO DO SEWER. I CAN'T GET Y'ALL, WE'RE GONNA FIX THE SEWER LINE ON OR WHATEVER THAT IS ON LORRAINE WHERE THE STREET'S COLLAPSING OR THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS WITH THE COST THAT WE NEED TO SAY WE'RE GETTING AFTER. AND THEN FROM THIS LIST, WE CAN PICK SOME THINGS OFF OF THAT, THAT ARE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO, RIGHT? YES. AND MY HOPE TOO IS THAT ALONG THE WAY WE CAN SAY WE FOUND THAT BIG CULPRIT THAT [05:35:01] WAS CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? YES. AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT NOW WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY UPSTREAM TO OUR DOWNSTREAM WHATEVER TO FIND THE FAULTS IN THE SYSTEM. YES. AND THAT'S PART OF DOING THE I I STUDIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY EASY FOR US TO IDENTIFY A LIFT STATION THAT HAS A LOT OF USAGE, HAS A LOT OF BUMP RUNTIME, YOU KNOW, DURING A, A RAINFALL EVENT. SO THAT TELLS US, OKAY, WE HAVE A LOT OF WATER THAT'S MAKING IT TO THIS STATION. MM-HMM. . SO NOW LET'S FIND OUT WHERE THAT RAINFALL'S COMING. YOU KNOW, DO THOSE I I STUDIES WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE A FEW POINT REPAIRS AND POSSIBLY ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, 50 TO 75% OF THE I I GOING THROUGH THERE FOR, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT ALL I I STUDIES. SO PART OF THAT GRANT, THE 1.7 MILLION GRANT IS YOU GOTTA DO SOME STUDIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT GLL WANTS TO SEE SOME, SOME ACTION OUT OF THAT. YEAH. SO THAT MONEY'S GOTTA BE SPENT. YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, WELL HERE'S ALL THE PROBLEMS. IT'S NO, HERE'S THE PROBLEMS AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO FIX IT. RIGHT? UM, I MEAN THAT'S MY IDEA. AND I THINK MAYBE I THINK OF IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY OR, OR JUST SAYING IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT I AGREE COMPLETELY. COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH, AND IT'S ONE THING TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM, IT'S ONE THING TO SPEND MONEY, BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ACTUALLY FIX THE PROBLEM? IS I THINK WHAT JOHN IS KIND OF GETTING AT AND WHAT ARE WE DOING TO, AND EVEN IF THAT MEANS A SMALLER, YOU KNOW, UM, A MORE NARROW OR FOCUS. BUT IF WE CAN LEAST ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AND THEN LIKE, HOPEFULLY LIKE MR. BOOTS SAID IS IS FINE, OR IDENTIFY OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE CONTRIBUTING OR CREATE MORE EFFICIENCIES OR WHATEVER. BECAUSE I MEAN, HERE'S, HERE'S A PROBLEM. HERE'S MONEY THAT MM-HMM. THAT DOESN'T HELP NECESSARILY. ALL WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVEN'T PRODUCED ANYTHING WE, I WANT TO. AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL BE OKAY SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS IF THEY SEE TANGIBLE RESULTS AND NOT JUST KNOWING WE SPENT MONEY. SO PART OF THAT TOO, REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE APPLIED FOR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, UH, LOANS AND GRANTS AND WHATEVER PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE THE MUSCLE BEHIND SOME OF THESE THINGS. MM-HMM. . SO WHEN WE DO THIS, I AND I STUDY, WE'LL FIX X PART OF THAT AGAIN, IF SHOULD WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WE CAN FIX Y AND Z AND AA AND BBB OF THIS PROJECT. AND THAT'LL BE THE BIG, LIKE YOU SAID, WE GOTTA DO THE SMALL STUFF, LORRAINE AND WIMBERLEY AND WHATEVER. BUT THEN WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WILL HELP US MAYBE WITH THE BIGGER STUFF, THE COP, MORE COMPREHENSIVE. MAYBE WE GOTTA DO WHOLE SOUTH SIDE OR SOUTHEAST SIDE OR NORTHWEST OR SOMETHING. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS STUDY RIGHT NOW. AND FOR MANHOLE TO MANHOLE THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE A PROBLEM THERE, THERE MIGHT BE DOWNSTREAM SOMEWHERE. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS DEV, FIND THE NARROWS DOWN THE PROBLEM WHERE WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY ACTUALLY WHERE WE NEED IT AT INSTEAD OF WAY STILL, LET'S JUST REPLACE THIS LINE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE STUDY. I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE PUMPS THAT Y'ALL ARE REPLACING. ARE Y'ALL WORKING WITH SNYDER ON THAT? ARE Y'ALL CHANGING MOTORS TOO? OR JUST THE PUMPS? UH, THIS, WE ALREADY CHANGED 'EM ALL BEFORE SNYDER CAME IN. UH, I THINK THE SNIDER IS LOOKING AT THE BLOWERS. UH, WELL I KNOW, BUT THE MOTORS HAVE TO BE READY FOR THE VARIABLE DRIVES. SO IF YOU'RE CHANGING OUT THE MOTORS, YOU MAY WANNA CHECK WHAT'S NOT AND SEE IT'S JUST A SMALL UP MARK. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA BE REPLACING THE MOTOR WHENEVER THEY COME IN AND DO THEIR STUDY. I ALREADY, UH, PUT IN THE VFDS. OKAY. OH YOU HAVE, I GOT 'EM IN THERE. THEY ARE NOT HOOKED UP YET. CAUSE I NEED COMMUNICATION. UH, AS SOON AS I GET THE SCADA SYSTEM IN THAT CAN RUN THE DEAL, THEN WE LOOK AT THE VFDS. OKAY. I HAD TO HAVE THE WHOLE PANEL CHANGED ANYWAY, SO I MIGHT AS WELL SPEND THE MONEY BUT THE VFDS IN IT WHILE ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S PART OF THE HARPA FUNDAMENTAL. WHAT ELSE ALL I GOT? THAT'S IT. WE ARE DONE UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, THANK YOU. YOU THANKS FOR STAYING ON SCHEDULE. YEAH. THANK TWO FOUR. WE CAN GO TEST THE PROBES NOW. , YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME WATER. YEAH, WE HATED THAT. IT'S BEEN PRETTY DRY SINCE WE GOT ALL THAT INSTALLED. SO IT JUST, IT HAS BEEN DRY. IT'S JUST FILLING UP THE CRACKS. THANKS EVERYONE LOOP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUIET ALL BE SHORT. [05:40:03] THIS WILL BE SHORT, RIGHT? NO HEARTACHE. NOTHING BUT HEARTACHE MOVIE. YOU GOT ONE HOUR I 15 MINUTES SIR. YOU GOT ONE TO SAY? YES. EVERYTHING. YEAH. SO YOU GOT, WELL HE'S GOT LESS THAN THAT JOHN. CAUSE YOU SAID THREE O'CLOCK WE'RE DONE. THAT'S TWO O'CLOCK. OKAY. ACTUALLY YOU'RE DONE. 55 MINUTES A BURNING DAY. SO, UM, AT ONE OF OUR PRIOR COUNSEL MEETINGS WE DISCUSSED UM, A POSSIBLE STEP PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AS YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW OUR COMP STUDY MEASURES TIME AND POSITION. SO IF WE HAVE AN OFFICER WHO PROMOTES TO CORPORAL AND THEY'VE BEEN AN OFFICER FOR NINE YEARS, THEY'RE NOW BEING PAID AS A ONE YEAR CORPORAL. AND SOMETIMES THAT CAUSES COMPRESSION. MM-HMM. . UM, SO, UM, WE LOOKED AT A, UH, STEP PLAN THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNTY HAS AND UM, THAT WOULD ROUGHLY COST AN AN ADDITIONAL OVER THE COMP FIGURE. I GAVE HER COMP, GREATER COMP COLA AN ADDITIONAL $240,000 MORE LESS THAT WOULD COVER ALL UNIFORMED OFFICERS AND TELECOMMUNICATORS, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE UNDER MARKET POSITIONS. SO IF WE WENT THAT WAY, THAT POSITION WOULD NO LONGER BE UNDER MARKET. UM, IF WE JUST WENT WITH THE UNIFORMED OFFICERS, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL 1 0 9 5 73. UM, THE DISPATCHERS ARE 1 32 81. UM, SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON A ONE OCTOBER IMPLEMENTATION. NO, UM, THOSE FIGURES ARE ACTUALLY BASED ON A YES. OH, OCTOBER ONE. YES. RIGHT. SO LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, IF YOU DO A SCALE PHASE, OTHER TIME THE, THERE ARE ONLY THREE POSITIONS. IF WE GO TO THE, UH, EIGHT OCTOBER ONE, APRIL ONE BASED ON THE WAGE, THERE ARE ONLY THREE POSITIONS IN ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, GET A TEN ONE INCREASE. IF WE WANT TO DO THE ANYBODY OVER 40, EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD RECEIVE THE APRIL ONE INCREASE. UM, IF WE DON'T CONSIDER THE STEP PLAN, ONE THING WE WOULD LIKE, UH, COUNSEL TO GIVE A, UH, AN OPINION ON AND SOME FEEDBACK IS WE DON'T DO THIS STEP PLAN PARTICULARLY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO A TIME INSTEAD OF TIME AND POSITION FOR THAT COMP STUDY A TIME ON THE FORCE. SO THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU'VE BEEN WITH ANGLETON PD, SO THAT AN OFFICER WHO'S BEEN HERE NINE YEARS AND PROMOTES TO A CORPORAL ISN'T, UH, LOSING MONEY. RIGHT. RECENTLY WE PROMOTED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET AN INCREASE BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY MAKING MORE THAN THEIR ONE YEAR SERGEANT OR CORPORAL LEVEL. AND SO THEY TOOK ON MORE RESPONSIBILITIES BUT THEY DIDN'T GET ANY MONEY. THE FRUSTRATION IS THAT THAT WAS A PROBLEM IDENTIFIED THREE YEARS AGO AND WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THAT'S CORRECT. WELL, LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO THOSE, UH, THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU AS FAR AS WAGES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GO. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO MAYBE WE CAN FOR IT. DID YOU SAY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? YEAH, BUT MAYBE WE CAN BREAK THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE REFINED ABOUT WHEN, APRIL VERSUS WHEN OCTOBER. HOW WE COULD PHASE THIS IN SO WE COULD START SOMEWHERE. NO, I ALSO LIKE TO GO WITH THE IDEA OF JUST LOOKING AT YOUR TOTALITY OF SERVICE. NOT SO IF WE DO TOTALITY OF SERVICE PLUS THE STEP PLAN, THE AMOUNT I GAVE YOU IS WAY OFF IT'S WAY UNDER WHAT WE WOULD END UP PAYING. SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I DISCUSSED THIS WITH CHIEF, WE THOUGHT THE STEP PLAN WOULD BE A GREAT START, UH, IN GOING FORWARD BECAUSE INDIVIDUALS WILL ALL RECEIVE AN INCREASE OF SOME KIND AND THEN WE HAVE A STRUCTURE TO BASE THEIR WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THEY KNOW WHERE AM I GOING TO BE IN THREE YEARS AND WHAT AM I GOING TO EARN IF I GET PROMOTED. SO IT'S KIND OF PHASED INTO THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE ALREADY LOST A LOT OF GOOD OFFICERS. YEAH. SO NOW WE HAVE TO FIX IT BEFORE WE LOSE MORE. ANY QUESTIONS? WE'VE GOTTA KEEP OURSELVES COMPETITIVE. YEP. AGREE. WE'RE GROWING. IF ANYBODY'S BEEN AROUND A GROWING CITY, IT SAYS LAG THOSE, THOSE LAG YEARS WHERE YOUR OFFICER MANPOWER IS BEHIND THE GROWTH IN THE CITY IS WHERE PROBABLY MOST VULNERABLE. ABSOLUTELY AGREE. AND, UH, WE'VE GOT TO, WE'VE GOT TO GET THERE WITH, WITH OUR FOLKS. UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIELD MEETING IN, UH, DISPATCH [05:45:01] TO OPENINGS IN PATROL, WHICH IS BETTER THAN MOST DEPARTMENTS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE ONE RESIGNATION GOING TO THE COUNTY THROUGH THE CONSTABLE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON THAT LEFT TO GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND I WAS APPROACHED YESTERDAY BY ANOTHER OFFICER WHO IS, UH, GOING, PROBABLY GONNA GO TO A SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE, WE, WE HAVE TO GET COMPETITIVE AND UH, WHETHER WE DO THE STEP PLAN AT OCTOBER ONE OR WHETHER WE DO IT MIDYEAR, MY VOTE IS FOR THE STEP PLAN. BECAUSE AT LEAST FOLKS WILL KNOW AND IT WILL HELP US IN RECRUITING. WHENEVER WE GET AN OFFICER, AN APPLICANT THAT COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, WHERE AM I GONNA BE IN TWO YEARS? I DON'T KNOW. YOU GOTTA ASK COUNSEL. CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET. AT LEAST AT THAT STEP PLAN THAT THEY WILL KNOW IN TWO YEARS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GET, FIVE YEARS, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GET. SO WE, WE, WE DO NEED TO, TO STAY COMPETITIVE. WE ARE GROWING AND, UH, I WON'T, I WON'T PUT THAT IN THIS BUDGET. IT'LL BE A NEXT BUDGET. SO, UM, ENOUGH ABOUT THAT. MOST OF OUR LINE ITEMS HAVE ONLY INCREASED BECAUSE OF INFLATION OR BECAUSE OF, OF THE, THE COST OF WHATEVER PRODUCT THAT WE'RE GETTING. SO I WON'T, UH, GO OVER EVERY LINE ITEM UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE LINE ITEM ITEMS. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS IN 5 35, WHICH IS THE LEASE AGREEMENTS, 5 35 ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS. IF YOU RECALL, YOU GRACIOUSLY LET US HAVE THE, UH, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. SO THAT IS INCLUDED IN HERE ALONG WITH THE $130,000 ANNUAL MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE TO PAY IN ADDITION TO THAT. SO, AND THAT'S WITH THE 52,000, ROUGHLY $53,000 PAYMENTS FOR SEVEN YEARS OR FIVE YEARS. SO ALL MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS ARE GOING UP. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LINE ITEM THAT WE HAVE THAT IS INCREASED SURE. ABOUT THAT. SHOW ME WHICH OTHER WAS SIR? SUPPLIES, GENERAL SUPPLIES. GENERAL SUPPLIES GOING UP 28 OR $29,000 UP OVER PRIOR YEAR. AND YOUR CURRENT ESTIMATE HAS, YOU HAD $11,000 THIS YEAR. SO YOU'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER $276,000 TO YOUR BUDGET ON GENERAL SUPPLIES. YEAH. BY 2 0 5. RIGHT. I'M LOOKING AT TOTAL SUPPLIES. SEE, UM, RIGHT BELOW 2 26. SO TOTAL SUPPLIES, YOU HAVE 11,392 IS WHAT YOU'RE ESTIMATING TO FINISH THIS YEAR WITH YOU BUDGETED 2 58 AND THEN YOU'RE GOING BACK TO 2 87. SO THAT 2 87 OR 2 88 VERSUS 2 59 IS AN 11% UP YEAR OVER YEAR. BUT 2000%, UH, AGAINST ESTIMATE FOR THE END OF THE YEAR. I'M TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO PAY YOUR OFFICERS ESTIMATING THE END OF THE YEAR. OKAY. THEN WHAT SHOULD IT BE? I DUNNO WHAT I DID. I CAN'T ANSWER TELL YOU WHAT WAS WRONG. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PAY THE OFFICERS. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. THAT'S NOT, WE DIDN'T GO UP THAT MUCH. OKAY. LOOKING AT TOTAL REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. MM-HMM. , I THINK WE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM. YES, WE DID. OKAY. YEAH. BUT THAT DIDN'T GO UP EITHER. WE, WE LEFT THAT THE SAME. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL YEAR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT OFF. IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THEM ARE ABOVE. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT SERVICES TOO. YES. ANOTHER ISSUE. OKAY. THAT WILL BE CORRECT. THE, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. OKAY. YEAH, WE WE DIDN'T GO UP ON THAT. NO. [05:50:03] I'M BUILDING MY OWN SPREADSHEET HERE. . YES SIR. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING ALL DAY. UNFORTUNATELY. YOU WENT LAST. SO I ALREADY HAD A LOT OF THE DATA ALREADY PUT IN, SO I'M TESTING IT OUT NOW. YEAH. HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE LEFT? NOT MUCH. WE HAVE ZERO. UM, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. COME OFF REAL FAST. OKAY. SORRY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHIEF? HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S JUST HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET THESE OFFICERS PAID? I MEAN, IS THERE PLACES, ARE THERE GRANTS? ARE THERE ANY, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? WE CAN TRY TO GET, UH, THE COP GRANTS FROM, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. HOWEVER, THOSE ARE ONLY GOOD FOR ONE YEAR. AND YOU HAVE TO START REPAYING PERCENTAGE, 25%, 50% UNTIL YOU ABSORB THE WHOLE THING. SO, UH, THERE ARE GRANTS OUT THERE, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES I KNOW THAT WILL FUND AN OFFICER. UH, I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH INTO IT AND FIND OUT WHAT ELSE THAT IS OUT THERE TO, ARE THERE EFFICIENCIES? ARE THERE ANY EFFICIENCIES WE CAN FIND? EFFICIENCIES. EFFICIENCIES AS IN, UM, SUPPLIES, THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. WAYS TO GET CREATIVE. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE GOT CREATIVE, CREATIVE AND DOING OUR STUFF. THAT'S WHY WE, WE WERE WORKING ON BUDGET. WE, WE WENT THROUGH AND MADE SURE THAT WE CALLED THE COMPANIES THAT WERE LIKE UNIFORM COMPANIES FOR INSTANCE. WHAT ARE YOU GOING UP? WELL, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 5% INCREASE IN, UH, IN JANUARY. WE CALLED OTHER COMPANIES. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING UP? FUEL. YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT FUEL'S GONNA DO, BUT WE PROBABLY CONSUME MORE FUEL THAN ANYBODY ELSE. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. I WANNA LOOK AT THAT. WE, UH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE DOWN FROM 2022. YEAH. YES. ON, ON THE ESTIMATE. AND SO 23 WILL BE DOWN FROM 22 AND 24 WILL BE DOWN FROM 22. CORRECT. SO YOU AREN'T SEEING A FUEL INCREASE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S SOME SAVINGS THERE. YES. AND WE'VE SAVED A LOT OF MONEY BY PUTTING THAT TANK IN THE BACK. RIGHT. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BUYING OUR, OUR GAS WHOLESALE. SO WE GOT 2000 GALLON TANK BACK THERE. WE USE THAT ALL THE TIME. UNLESS IT'S DOWN, WE DON'T USE THE THE CARD. WHAT ABOUT VEHICLES? VEHICLES? WE STILL, UH, WE STILL OWN 22 VEHICLES. UH, WE'RE, WE SENT A LIST TO, UH, FILL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT ALL THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO REPLACE, WHICH ARE THE OLDER VEHICLES. I HAVE A LIST OF THEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE. THE VEHICLES, UH, WE HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE THAT'S BEING REPLACED BECAUSE IT WAS ERECTED IN TOTAL. AND RIGHT NOW THAT IS AT THE SHOP, GETTING EVERYTHING PUT ON THERE. WE HAVE TWO OTHER ONES, BRAND NEW ONES THAT ARE SITTING IN THE BACK WAITING TO GET THE EQUIPMENT ORDERED AND PUT INTO THAT AND GET THEM READY FOR THE STREET. WERE YOU STILL REUSING LIGHT BARS AND ALL THAT? NO, NO, NO. THAT, THAT TECHNOLOGY IS, IS BEYOND, CAUSE WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE, UH, 20 SEVENTEENS AND SIXTEENS AND EIGHTEENS. AS SOON AS THE MODEL HERE CHANGES, THE BODY STYLE CHANGES AND YOU CAN'T REUSE THOSE. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO GET SOMETHING NEW. HOWEVER, WITH THE LEASE VEHICLES, ALL THAT'S PUT ONTO THE, THE PRICE OF THE LEASE VEHICLE. COLLEEN, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. YES. PUT ONTO THE COST OF THE POLICE VEHICLE. AND THAT'S THE PAYMENT THAT WE MAKE. RADIOS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT ARE STILL, STILL IN THEIR LIFESPAN THROUGH MOTOROLA AND ALL. YES. WE, WE WE REUSE THOSE. WE REUSE THOSE, YES. UM, COMPUTERS. WE BUY THE COMPUTERS BECAUSE IT WANTS US TO OWN THOSE. AND I IT HAS GOT VERY EFFICIENT AND THEY MADE THEIR OWN. THEY BUY THEIR OWN, UH, MONITOR AND THEY USE A NOOK, WHICH [05:55:01] IS PROBABLY SIX, $7,000 CHEAPER THAN BUYING A A REGULAR COMPUTER. AND IT WORKS. MOVE OUT THERE. DOES IT? THE PACKETS? SURE. GO AHEAD. I'M STILL GONNA KEEP THINKING OF ABSOLUTELY, GO AHEAD. AND IF YOU FIND ONE, IF NEED SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN SAVE ABSOLUTELY. WE, WE'LL DO IT. CAUSE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET, WE, WE WE'RE BARE BONES. WE DID WHAT WE COULD DO. DIDN'T DO, DO MANY INCREASES DE EXCEPT OF THESE. UH, OKAY. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS FOUR ADDITIONAL FLOCK CAMERAS. SO AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THREE NOW CURRENTLY IN THE CITY, FOUR FLOCK CAMERAS. AND THOSE CAMERAS ARE LICENSE PLATE READERS THAT ARE STATIONARY ONES AT, UH, WILKINS AND WARREN. THE OTHER ONE IS AT KYRON DOWNING ANOTHER ONE AT HENDERSON AND BUTTA. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR MORE. AND IF YOU GO INITIALLY WE WERE GONNA PUT 'EM ON LASOW. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE STATE TO GET A PERMIT. AND THOSE PERMITS ARE AT SIX, WHAT? SIX TO 12 MONTHS? IT, IT VARIES BUT IT CHEAP, CHEAP OFFICER HAS BEEN IN CHARGE, TAKES A WHILE FOR, FOR THEM AND THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE PRETTY EFFICIENT. BUT IT'S JUST GETTING THE FINALIZATION THROUGH THE STATE FOR THEM TO GET THE PERMITS TO ATTACH EITHER ATTACH OR PUT THEIR OWN POLE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON OUR VEHICLES, DO WE? NO SIR. WE HAVE NO GLASS PLATE REARS ON THE VEHICLES. THOSE THINGS ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE. UNLESS WE CAN GET IN WITH SOME, UH, GROUP IN HARRIS COUNTY, HOUSTON, SOME OF THE CONSTABLES HAVE, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS. MM-HMM. . BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON OUR VEHICLES. I AM A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE LICENSE PLATE READER AND I, I HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER OFFICERS ALL THE TIME ABOUT IT, BUT I'VE BEEN READING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 'EM AND, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A POLICY? YES SIR. WE WROTE A POLICY YOU JUST MADE SURE BEFORE WE PUT THEM THINGS OUT, DO WE HAVE A POLICY? CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS. WHEN YOU HAVE A POLICY, THEY CAN BE ABUSED. SO I DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE VERY COMPLIANT IN THAT ASPECT. YES SIR. WE HAVE A POLICY ON THE, ON THOSE CAMERAS ALONG WITH THE, UH, MOBILE TRAILER. OKAY. THE POLICY IS IN PLACE. GOOD. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU TODAY. YES SIR. POLICY IS IN PLACE AND EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IT THROUGH OUR, UH, POWER DMS. YOU HAVE A WAY TO AUDIT THOSE? YES, SIR. OKAY. YES SIR. AND, UH, SERGEANT DETO IS GONNA GO BE A, A STATE BOARD PATROL OFFICER AND, UH, EITHER ONE THAT DOES ALL THAT FOR US. YOU'RE NO LONGER TROOPER FOR STATE. YOU'RE NO LONGER TROOPER ON THE BORDER. I TEASE HIM ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. HE'S LEAVING IN SEPTEMBER. RIGHT. UH, WHAT ONE HECK OF A GREAT, UH, GUY THAT DOES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK FOR US. AND UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA FEEL IT WHEN HE'S NOT. SO, BUT HE, HE DOES, HE DOES MONTREAL. ALL THAT. UH, HE GETS INTO POWER DMS. YOU CAN LOOK, LOG INTO POWER DMS, EITHER ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATORS AND SEE WHO HAS NOT SIGNED OFF AND WHO HAS SIGNED OFF. AND THEY'RE REAL GOOD ABOUT FOLLOWING UP AND MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S SIGNED OFF ON THEIR STUFF. ARE THESE CAMERAS MULTI-DIRECTIONAL OR SOMETHING? OR DID THEY JUST FOCUS? THEY JUST WENT ONE WAY. JUST ONE WAY. JUST YES. BUT THESE GIVE US THE ABILITY TO NOT ONLY LIKE SAY WE HAVE A CRIME AND, AND DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A LICENSE PLATE, BUT THEY KNOW IT WAS A, A RED FOUR DOOR SEDAN MM-HMM. , BUT IT HAD LOOKED LIKE IT HAD A A, A STICKER ON THE BACK. WE CAN GO THROUGH THE, THE SEARCH QUEUE AND PULL UP EVERY RED FOUR DOOR VEHICLE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S DROP BOXES AND YOU CAN PICK WHAT'S THE DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE VEHICLE. SURE. AND IT'LL PULL EVERYONE UP THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SEEN ALL THREE OF THEM. JUST THAT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. TO, ARE YOU SAYING TELLING US WE CAN'T GET THIS ON ANYWHERE ON VELASCO PERIOD WITHOUT GETTING STATE APPROVAL? STATE APPROVAL? THAT'S CORRECT. IT HAS TO HAVE THE TEXT GOT PERMANENT. OKAY. CUZ I DON'T KNOW, I FEEL LIKE ON THE CENTRAL PARK TOWN THAT IS SUCH A HEAVILY TRAVELED STREET, IT MIGHT BE WORTH COMMITTING ONE OR TWO. YEAH. TO THAT, TO THAT. [06:00:01] WHAT, WHAT WHAT CHIEF DID WAS WENT AHEAD. HE, HE HAD FLOCK APPLY FOR THE PERMITS AND DID NOT STOP THE PERMITS. BUT ONCE WE, ONCE WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A TIME CONSTRAINT ON US, UH, HE TOLD HIM TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PERMITS. AND WHEN WE DO GET THE PERMITS IF APPROVED, WE'LL BE READY TO TAKE THOSE CAMERAS. OKAY. AND PUT 'EM THERE AND IF NOT APPROVED. AND IF WE FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO BE MOVED, IT COSTS $300 FOR US TO MOVE TO HAVE THEM MOVED, THEN WE CAN MOVE THEM WHEREVER WE NEED. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE APPLIED THEN Y'ALL HAVE APPLIED. YES SIR. JUST WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NOT CERTAIN WE'LL GET APPROVAL AND IF WE GET APPROVAL IT MAY TAKE MONTHS THAT YES. BUT THAT ALSO GIVES US THE ABILITY IF WE SEE THE NEED TO, IF WE DON'T GET APPROVED AND WE JUST KEEP THE THREE WE HAVE AND, AND WE SEE THAT WE, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ONE OF THOSE THREE TO THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT PERMIT. OKAY. I'M JUST STILL THINKING, I MEAN, BY HAVING GIVEN YOU FOUR ADDITIONAL AND STILL COMMITTING ONE OR TWO TO VELASCO NOT, NOT DISRUPTING THE THREE THAT ARE PRESENT IN PLACE AND ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE A COUPLE OTHERS TO PUT 'EM AS YOU SEE FIT. I JUST FEEL LIKE VELASCO, UM, IS CUZ MR. BRUCE'S QUESTION HE HAD WAS I THINK A GOOD QUESTION. IS IT ONE DIRECTIONAL? AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU CAN CATCH PEOPLE COMING AND GOING NOW ON, ON KIND OF THE PLAN IS TO GET BOTH MAJOR OR MAJOR THIRD FAIR 35 AND VELASCO. UM, THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD, UH, IN SOME PLACES COULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO CATCH, STILL COME NORTHBOUND, SOUTHBOUND, UH, AS WELL AS EASTBOUND WESTBOUND. UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO JUST PICK THOSE LOCATIONS VERY STRATEGICALLY TO GET THAT, THAT PICKUP. WE ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO OTHER CITIES, UH, FLOP CAMERAS. LAKE JACKSON FOR INSTANCE. ALVIN ALVIN'S GOT ALVIN NINE OR 13. WE GOT REQUESTS FROM NORTH CAROLINA. FROM SOUTH DAKOTA, UH, WHERE THEY GIVEN THIS ACCESS TO THEIR CAMERAS. SO STATEWIDE, THERE'S MILLIONS OF THOSE CAMERAS OUT. UH, HAIR LAND HAS OOS OF THOSE CAMERAS OUT. UH, JUST, JUST ONE FOR INSTANCE, UH, GOV COASTS CHEVROLET HAD A BUNCH OF WHEELS, STOLEN WHEELS AND TIRES STOLEN OFF BRAND NEW VEHICLES. LAKE JACKSON WAS ABLE TO SOLVE IT WITH THEIR FLOCK CAMERA BY GETTING THE VEHICLE COMING IN, GETTING THE VEHICLE, LEAVING. THE VEHICLE WAS COMING IN AND IT WAS EMPTY. TRUCK LEAVING. HAD A BUNCH OF BRAND NEW TIRES IN THE BACK. SO OUR DETECTIVE FOLLOWED UP WITH, WITH LAKE JACKSON AND THAT CASE IS CLEARED, GOT WITH HOUSTON, UH, THEFT. YEAH. SO THE CASE IS CLEARED. JUST, JUST ONE FOR INSTANCE. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE FLOOR? THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IN HERE, AND I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE COMMUNICATION SERVER. WE HAVE OPTION ONE AND WE HAVE OPTION TWO. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SPECIFICALLY CHIEF CAN, CAN, UH, MAKE A NOTE ABOUT THAT. BUT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUY SOMETHING FROM MISSOURI COUNTY THAT'S USED, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE AND HAVE OUR THIRD POSITION THERE. THE THIRD RADIO POSITION. THAT SYSTEM STILL HAS SOME LIFE IN IT. AND THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE WHAT, 92,000 HUNDRED $61 BECAUSE THE COUNTY'S BEING FUNDED, UH, GRANT FUNDED FOR A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM. SO THEY'RE 70%, 30%, THIS IS THE 30% THAT THEY A MAX. SO WE CAN GET IT FOR THE 30%. THAT'S A DEAL. HOW LONG DOES THAT GIVE US CHIEF? IT'S GONNA GIVE US AT LEAST THREE YEARS. AND IN THAT THREE YEARS, I'M, I'M GONNA START CHASING THE GRANT. SAME GRANTS THAT THEY GOT FUNDED ON. UH, BUT THAT GIVES US SEVERAL YEARS TO START CHASING GRANTS FOR THE FUNDING OF THE SYSTEM. AND THEY STILL HAVE SERVICE LICENSE. CAUSE AS WE'RE SET RIGHT NOW, UM, IF, IF A PIECE OF THE COMPONENT OF OUR MCC 5,500 GOES OUT, I'M NOT CALLING UP MOTOROLA, I'M GETTING ON NO GOOGLE AND GOING TO EBAY AND TRYING TO FIND THAT COMPONENT. UM, ANYTHING CATASTROPHIC, WE CAN'T STOP INSURANCE. BUT THIS WILL GIVE US, MOTOROLA IS STILL STANDING BEHIND IT FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER THREE YEARS. [06:05:01] UM, THEY HAVEN'T CALLED A A JUST A, A END DATE AT THIS TIME. SO AT LEAST THREE YEARS. SO WE, WE WOULD'VE A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS TO SEARCH FOR THAT NEW UPGRADE. UM, AS WELL AS THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT THIRD AND EVEN A FOURTH DISPATCH STATION. TRUE. A HUNDRED PERCENT WORKING DISPATCH STATION. CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GRAZED, WE'VE ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE, BUT WE HAVE THAT THIRD STATION AS FAR AS FURNITURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN PLACE IN OUR DISPATCH. NOW, UM, I'VE ALSO ASKED, UH, AND HOPE, HOPEFULLY SCOTTY HAD OWNS THIS MORNING, I ASKED SCOTTY FOR, UH, SOME MONEY FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I'VE ASKED E M S FOR MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T ONLY DISPATCH FOR THE CITY, WE DISPATCH ALL OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY JURISDICTION E M S AND FIRE. SO AS FAR AS I, I SEE THERE'S NO FUNDING THAT'S COMING FROM AN E S D, WHICH I MEAN TO ME THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO, TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. IF RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY ARE GETTING SERVICES THAT THE CITIZENS IN THE OF ANGLETON ARE PAYING FOR, THEY OUGHT, THEY OUGHT TO PONY UP SOME MONEY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HELP PAY FOR THAT. SO I'VE ASKED, I'VE ASKED TI FOR THAT AND I'VE ASKED LUKE STEEL, I DON'T, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO TO ESD AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN GET FOR US TO HELP FUND THE 92,000. BUT IF YOU WANT TO THE WHOLE NEW SYSTEM TO GO BACK THERE, IT'S $441,940, WHICH IS OPTION TWO. HE DID BRING IT UP THIS MORNING. OKAY. SO HE SAID YOU'D BE HAPPY. HE SAID WE GET HE DID SAY HE GOT IT. OH GREAT. YEAH. SO TAKE THAT. WHATEVER HE SAID TAKE IT OFF OF THIS. I'M NOW WE GOT THESE CATCH BLUE SEAL. HE SAID HE IS GONNA, HE SAID HE IS OFFICIALLY GONNA GO REQUEST FOR IT. YEAH, IT CAN BE SEAL BUT I THINK HE SAID IT WAS GONNA TAKE 10,000 OUT OF HIS BUDGET AND GIVE THAT 10,000 TO, TO US TO HELP TRY TO FUND THAT, THAT RADIO SYSTEM. BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU RECALL THE WINTER FREEZE RADIO WAS THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAD. WE DIDN'T HAVE CELL PHONES OR NOTHING. MM-HMM. . YEP. IF WE DON'T GET THIS THING FIXED, WE HAVE TO PICK THAT CAN UP, HOPE THERE'S A STRING ATTACHED TO OTHER END. CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING THROUGH. SO WE, WE GOTTA GET IT DONE. AND WHEN I SAYS THAT, WHEN IT SAYS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, COMMUNICATION FAILURE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE A COMMUNICATION FAILURE. AND WHILE HE'S LOOKING ON THE EBAY TO GET A PART, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO COMMUNICATE? SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHY WE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN CREATED IN, IN THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE. AND WE CAN HELP THE COUNTY BY, BY FUNDING THAT AND HELP OUR CITIZENS BY GETTING THAT THIRD STATION, FOUR STATION AND WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO GET. AND, AND THIS, THIS, THAT, THAT 92, UM, THAT'S, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE TURNKEY. WITH INSTALL. WITH INSTALL. I MEAN WE, WE DID PUT SOME CONTINGENCIES IN THERE CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE SOME STUFF UP. BUT, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M PRETTY CERTAIN THAT THAT WILL BE IN OR UNDER THAT NUMBER. PLEASE. SO WHAT IS YOUR LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THIS OPTION? NEW SERVER? THE NEW ONE. NEW ONE OF, OF, OF A NEW ONE. UH, YOU'RE TALKING THREE YEARS ON OPTION ONE? YEAH, I MEAN WE'VE HAD THIS CURRENT SYSTEM, UM, WE INSTALLED IT IN 2013 AND IT QUIT SERVICE LAST YEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT NINE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. UM, BUT WITH, WITH THIS OPTION, YES IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A SHORT, SHORT TERM, BUT IT'LL GIVE US, IT'LL, IT'LL GIVE US THAT CHANCE TO CHASE EVERY SINGLE OPTION OUT THERE FOR FUNDING. UM, CAUSE I KNOW 441 AND THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING UP. YES. I MEAN NATURE OF THE BEAST. UH, CHEAPER TO GRADE OFF. I'D GO. WONDER, COULD YOU, CAN YOU DIG A DITCH WITH THIS THING? BARELY, SIR. CAN YOU DIG A DITCH WITH THIS THING? NO, BUT I GO, SOMEBODY WANT, CAN YOU INSTALL LIGHTS WITH IT? GO OFF EITHER ON EBAY FOR US THEY COME WITH TRACKS OR TIRE. GOT A RACK. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. OH, [06:10:02] MORE THAN HAPPY. ANY OF US HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? ONCE AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE UH, ALL WORKED HARD ON THE BUDGET. HARD ON KEEPING IT DOWN AND ASKING FOR WHAT WE NEED. I AGREE. 35 WELL USED UH, ARE YOU JUST DOING POLICE OR ARE YOU DOING ANIMAL CONTROL? OH, SORRY, . I FORGET ABOUT OUR FURRY FRIENDS. NO HE DOESN'T. NO, NO. WE WON'T FORGET THAT. BUT CHIEF YOU WANTED, UH, ANIMAL CONTROL WHAT WE WENT OVER? UH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY INCREASES IN ANIMAL CONTROL. CAUSE A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS UPON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND HOW Y'ALL, WHENEVER Y'ALL FIND THAT NEW BUILDING OVER THERE OR A PARTIAL PART OF THAT NEW BUILDING. SO WHEN, IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THAT IS NOT NOT GOING UP. RIGHT. MOST OF IT'S EITHER STAYING THE SAME OR IF IT'S GONE UP, IT'S BECAUSE LIKE, UH, THE VET SERVICES, THE VETT BILLS HAVE GONE UP, WHICH WE STILL RECEIVE A SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIAL DISCOUNT FROM DR. BECKER. ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE CHIEF THAT YOU, THAT YOU KNOW OF? BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT OVER WITH BRENDA, THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT'S GOING ON. WE, WE'VE DONE THE IMPROVEMENTS OVER THERE. IT LOOKS GREAT OVER THERE. UH, SALARIES IS GOING UP. WHY PHIL? I GOT A CD OUT, SO I'M GONNA PUT MY BUS DRIVER HAT ON. CAUSE PHIL'S DOING SALARIES. I DON'T THINK SALARIES WENT UP. IT DID PERSONNEL. 11 BASEMENT OF TENURE, 9% OVER A YEAR PRIOR OVER BUDGET OF PRIOR YEAR AND 13% OVER ESTIMATE. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE GOT THE, THE PART-TIME PERSON FOR WHAT WE DID WAS WE GOT, UH, A PART-TIME PERSON FOR SATURDAY AND SUNDAY TO COME IN FOUR HOURS TO CLEAN AND FEED, WHICH, UH, FREES UP THE AM PATROL OFFICERS FROM HAVING TO WORK SEVEN DAYS IN A ROW SOMETIMES. SO WE HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN FOUR HOURS ON SATURDAY, FOUR HOURS ON SUNDAY, AND THAT'S ALL THEY WORK IS EIGHT HOURS. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I KNOW THAT WE'VE CHANGED AS FAR AS SALARY. YEAH, EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS PRETTY STRAIGHT. RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE YOU STILL FULL CAPACITY OVER THERE? YES. UH, IT FLUCTUATES FROM DAY TO DAY, BUT UH, FRIDAY WE WERE FULL. WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ORDERS OF RENDERS. UH, WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP NEXT WEEK WITH RICHWOOD, UH, THEY REQUESTED. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE. UM, GOING BACK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE YEARS OF SERVICE? UM, AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY WITH THE NEW CROP, YOU GOT ONE AND A HALF TO TWO. WE HAVE SIX PEOPLE CURRENTLY IN TRAINING. STRAIGHT OUTTA THE, YEAH, STRAIGHT OUTTA THE ACADEMY. NO EXPERIENCE. UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECRUITING TOOLS LIKE FAIRLAND JUST WENT TO A $10,000 SIGN-ON BONUS. UH, THEY PAID FOR FREEPORT, PAID FOR PART OF YOUR INSURANCE WHEN YOU RETIRE, PAY FOR MORE FOR YOUR INSURANCE IF YOU'RE THERE. UH, THINK I'VE MADE THOSE SUGGESTIONS PRIOR JUST SO WE CAN RECRUIT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT IT'S NOT AN PROBLEM. IT'S, IT'S A, A NATIONWIDE PROBLEM. CORRECT. SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE, WE ARE DOING WELL ONCE AGAIN, UH, SERGEANT DEL SANTOS AND SERGEANT VANDERGRIFF DO, DO GREAT AND, UH, RECRUITING. WE GO TO THESE, UH, UH, ACADEMIES AT UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON, ALVIN, BRAD SPORT. AND THE TWO THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, THAT WE RECRUITED FROM U OF H ACTUALLY CALLED ONE OF THEIR BUDDIES AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, COME ON DOWN HERE. ONE THING WE DO HAVE THAT'S BETTER THAN MOST IS EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE SOME GREAT EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE SOME GREAT VEHICLES. UH, THE TWO LIEUTENANTS ARE WORKING ON, UH, THE NEW VEHICLES, UH, THAT COME THROUGH THE, THE, THE, I THINK HANDS DOWN, WE'LL E WE'LL EVEN BEAT OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WHO HAS A LOT OF MONEY, [06:15:01] EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THOSE UNITS ARE GREAT. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THOSE GUYS AND GALS THAT RIDE IN THAT CAR 12 HOURS A DAY THAT HAVE THAT. SO, AND I'M, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT, THAT THAT IS, THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE DO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. SO 17 OF OUR OFFICERS WERE HIRED SINCE 2020. AND MOST OF THOSE OUT OF THE ACADEMIES OR DO WE KNOW? UM, I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT I HAVE. YES. I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY STRAIGHT OUTTA THE ACADEMY. UH, THE LAST FEW WE GOT, WE ONLY HAVE ONE THAT WAS EXPERIENCED OUT THE LAST FIVE. WE HAVE ONE THAT'S HAS THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OUT OF HARRIS COUNTY. AND HE'D BEEN OUT FOR A COUPLE YEARS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. LIVES IN, LIVES IN LIVERPOOL. YEAH. AND THE GOOD THING IS, WE'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL BECAUSE THEIR BUDDIES CAME HERE AND THEY'RE LIKING IT. HEY, COME ON. UM, COME PICKED SOME UP FROM SOUTH HOUSTON. UH, ALL OF 'EM. UM, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. I MEAN, THAT TELLS US WE'RE DOING SOMETHING. SO MAYBE THAT'S A RECRUITING TOOL. IS, UH, RECRUITING BONUS FOR RECRUITING SOMEONE FOR, FOR THE OFFICERS THAT, THAT ARE HERE NOW? YEAH. YES SIR. WE HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WORK TOO. I THINK I PUT THAT ON THE LIST AS WELL. SO 10 OF THE 17 ARE RIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL. WE, WE, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO, TO, TO GET THOSE FOLKS HERE. YOU KNOW, THE GUY THAT WE'RE LOSING TO ZORA COUNTY, THIS IS THE TIME AND POSITION TANK. HE'S GOT 12 YEARS HERE, 12 YEARS INVESTED IN THIS CITY AND HE'S GOING TO WORK FOR ZO COUNTY PRECINCT. ONE CONSTABLE MAKING AS MUCH MONEY AS HE IS NOW, STARTING AT THE RESORT COUNTY PRECINCT ONE. AND HE'S BEEN HERE 12 YEARS. THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WE'RE LOSING. THAT'S GONNA TAKE OUR, OUR ADMIN DOWN. IN MY EXPERIENCE THOUGH, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA BATTLE THE ENTRY LEVEL PAY, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT POSITION. IF YOU'RE AN OFFICER, IF YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT, IF YOU'RE FIRE, DOESN'T MATTER, YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU'RE USUALLY GONNA JUMP YOUR PAY IMMEDIATELY. JUST THE NATURE OF THE MARKET AND HOW IT PAYS. UM, CORRECT. AND WE DO, WE DO OFFER MORE MONEY FOR EXPERIENCE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS. WE'LL, WE'LL OFFER THEM A BETTER SALARY. JUST, I KEEP THINKING ABOUT WAYS TO, TO DO THIS. ANYTHING WE DO IS GONNA COST MONEY. ANYTHING WE DO, OF COURSE IS GONNA COST MONEY. SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE KEEP UP WITH THE COUNTY, WHETHER WE DO TO, UH, DO AWAY WITH TIME AND POSITION TO GO TO, IT'S GONNA COST SOMETHING. WELL AS WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS? I MEAN, Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO, DO Y'ALL WANT TO BE A DEPARTMENT OF ALL VETERANS OR DO Y'ALL WANT NEW BLOOD? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT A GOOD, I I WOULD PREFER TO BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH WITH, UH, HEAVY, UH, EXPERIENCE SPRINKLE IN LIKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA TEACH THESE NEW GUYS COMING IN THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS AND TO BE SAFE. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE EXPERIENCED OFFICERS ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING ELSEWHERE, THEN YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA TRAIN THE NEW GUYS? THE NEW GUYS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO, TO IMPLEMENT THE WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO KNOW THAT AND SUPERVISORS AND, AND IN POLICE WORK. I'M SORRY THAT, THAT PATROL SERGEANT, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE. YES, SIR. AND WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE ONE AND HE'S GOT, WHAT, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS EXPERIENCE. HE'S GONNA BE A, A SERGEANT. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MOVING TO BECAUSE WE ARE, WE HAVE ALL THESE AND NOTHING AGAINST HIM BECAUSE THAT, THAT YOUNG MAN IS SMART. HE'S INTELLIGENT AND HE WOULDN'T BE GOING WHERE HE IS GOING IF WE DIDN'T THINK HE, HE, HE COULD DO THE JOB. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WHEN WE'RE GETTING THESE OFFICERS THAT ARE YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCED, THEY'RE HERE, COMING HERE TO GET THEIR EXPERIENCE. AND I'M GLAD THEY'RE STAYING. BUT WHEN YOU'RE HAVING SUPERVISORS GOT TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT CUZ THEY ANYTHING BAD. CAUSE WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH THE COUNTY IN TWO YEARS I WAS A SERGEANT, YOU KNOW, BUT WELL LET WOULD WITH THAT IN MIND, AND MAYBE I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT THIS CORRECTLY AND THAT'S OKAY. IF YOU WANNA CORRECT ME, UM, WOULD YOU RATHER SEE US FOCUS ON INCREASING PAY FOR SERVICE OR UPPING PAY FOR BEGINNING PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE? I THINK THAT'S A RECRUITING TOOL. I THINK I PUT THAT IN MY SUGGESTIONS AS WELL, SIR. PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE THAT IF, IF YOU STAY INSTEAD OF DOING A, UH, $5,000 SIGN ON BONUS, IF YOU STAY THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER, THEN WE GIVE YOU $5,000 IF YOU STAY THAT LONG WITH SOME KIND OF CONTRACT THAT SAYS IF YOU LEAVE, YOU PAY IT. BUT IF YOU, THAT GIVES THEM AN INCENTIVE TO STAY, YOU KNOW, AND INSURANCE AT RETIREMENT. [06:20:02] WHAT ABOUT JUST LIKE A LONGEVITY BONUS? WE GIVE LONGEVITY NOW, BUT, UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HAVING A PROBLEM GETTING PEOPLE. NO. PEOPLE ARE, YOU'RE HIRING PEOPLE. SO I, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING NOW IS WORKING. IT'S KEEPING. YES. RIGHT. SO RETENTION SIDE, AND I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT, ABOUT DOING THE, UH, RETENTION BONUSES AND KIND OF THE YES. THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF THAT. BUT, UM, AND OUR, OUR FTO PROGRAM, IT'S, IT'S, I'M, I'M PRETTY, I'M CONFIDENT IN IT. UM, I, I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE BEST ONES OUT THERE, UM, WHO IS, AND ONE OF OUR OPENS IS ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR GUYS DIDN'T MAKE IT. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S TERRIBLE. HE'S A GOOD PERSON AND, AND HE JUST WASN'T READY. AND HE DID NOT, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DROP THAT BAR AND WE'RE STILL NOT, I WANT TO GUARANTEE YOU AS COUNSEL THAT WE ARE NOT DROPPING THE QUALITY OF OFFICERS AND PEOPLE THAT WE ARE HIRING. WE DO AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND. IF IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT GOOD, WE DON'T WANT 'EM. BUT THAT EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND COMES BACK AND THEY MAKE IT THROUGH THIS FTO PROGRAM, WHICH IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE AS WELL. AND IT, LIKE CHIEF SAYS, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE. BUT WE ARE NOT SKIMPING ON QUALITY. I'D RATHER DO WITHOUT THAN HAVE US WORK THE STREET THAN HAVE SOMEBODY OUT HERE THAT'S GONNA POTENTIALLY COST THIS CITY. MM-HMM. A LOT OF MONEY FOR MAKING A DUMB MISTAKE. MM-HMM. HIMSELF IN TROUBLE. YEAH. YOU GOT ANY IDEAS? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WORKING, IF WE'RE DOING SELF RECRUITING, WE, WE NEED TO PILE IN ON THAT. AND, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FUND THAT. LIKE, RIGHT. I MEAN IF YOU, I'M JUST THROWING OUT A NUMBER, $500 OR WHATEVER, WE CAN FUND THAT INTERNALLY. WE DON'T HAVE TO SEEK FUNDING FOR THAT. UM, BECAUSE THEORETICALLY WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OPENINGS AT TIME. BUT THAT MAY BE THE WAY, IF, IF THAT'S WORKING, HAVE THEM GO RECRUIT FOR FOLKS. AND I, BUT I THINK THE STEP THING IS GONNA BE ESSENTIAL TO GROW THE LONG TERM PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN ADVANCE AND THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE JOCKING TO SEE WHAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE PAYING. THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN GROW HERE IN ANGLETON, ASSUMING THEY PERFORM AND STAY AND THOSE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING THAT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING DOWN HERE AND SAYING, AND SEEING THAT WE HAVE GOOD QUALITY FOLKS, YOU KNOW, HEY, PRECINCT ONE, YOU GOT A 12 YEAR VETERAN GOING DOWN THERE. THEY'RE PAYING HIM AND HE'S GOING, UH, OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE WE LOST, UH, WITH WALTON TO PEARL LAND CIVIL SERVICE. SHE GOT A $5,000 SIGN ON BONUS AND SHE HAD THREE YEARS AND WAS A CORPORAL, A SUPERVISOR. SO THEY, THEY, THEY GOT A GREAT OFFICER. SHE HAD A, A MASTER'S DEGREE AND MM-HMM. . WE, WE, WE JUST GOTTA DO MORE TO, TO, TO HOLD THEM HERE ONCE WE GET 'EM HERE. SO I'LL TELL YOU TOO, TALKING TO OFFICERS, UH, WANNA DO RIDE LONG'S, THEY APPRECIATE THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY, THEY FEEL APPRECIATED. SO SOME OF 'EM THAT HAVE BEEN TO HOUSTON AND, AND OTHER CITIES SAY, OH YEAH, IT'S A BIGGER DEPARTMENT, BUT, BUT WE HAVE OUTDATED EQUIPMENT CAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO WHATEVER. AND SO WE, WE SAY, I COME TO ANGLETON AND I GOT A NICE, NICE VEHICLE TO RIDE AROUND IN. IT'S NOT FALLING APART. I GOT GOOD RADIOS, I'VE GOT GOOD COMPUTER. ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IN SOME OF THOSE BIGGER DEPARTMENTS. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE I THINK IN END IN THE DOOR AND STAYING THING. UH, WE JUST HAVE TO WORK THAT HOW DO WE RETAIN 'EM IN THE LONG TERM? UM, AND GROW THEM HERE. RIGHT? YEAH. TAKE HOME PROGRAMS. EXCELLENT. UH, PEOPLE LOVE THAT. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AN OLDER VEHICLE, YOU SEE A LOT OF THE OLDER VEHICLES ARE TAKE HOME, WHICH IS BETTER ON MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEN PEOPLE, YOU'LL FIND WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLE, THEY TAKE CARE OF IT A LOT BETTER. MM-HMM. AND UH, CAUSE WE KNOW WHO'S MESSING IT UP. MM-HMM. . BUT, BUT IT'S A GREAT, GREAT RETENTION TOOL AS WELL TO, TO, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR EVERYONE OF 'EM AT, TO STAY HOME TO HAVE A BRAND NEW ONE. AND YOU THINK WE, WE, WE KEEP 'EM A LONG TIME NOW. WE KEEP 'EM A LONG TIME. SO LOVE THAT. A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE THAT. MATTER OF FACT, UH, MANVILLE SENT ME SOMETHING ASKING ABOUT TAKE HOME PROGRAM. OUR TAKE HOME PROGRAM. SO I THINK IT SAYS A LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THAT OFFICER TAKES THAT POLICE CAR AND PARKS IT IN HIS DRIVEWAY. THE PEOPLE ALL, ALL UP AND DOWN THE STREET ARE MORE COMFORTABLE [06:25:02] JUST, JUST SEEING THE BLACK AND WHITE SITTING DOWN THERE. AND IT'S, IT MAY SOUND, IT'S KIND OF HOKEY, BUT I I BELIEVE IT, THEY THEY, THEY NOW THEY KNOW THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DRIVING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, SEES THAT CAR DOWN THERE, WHETHER HE, WHETHER HE'S ASLEEP OR NOT IN THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HOPE NOT NEIGHBORS UP. HEY, I'M GOING ON VACATION PARK PATROL CAR IN MY DRIVE. IS THAT BLACK AND WHITE OR MIDNIGHT BLUE LIGHT? IT'S GOTTA BE MIDNIGHT HAWAII. OH YEAH. DID YOU SHARE THAT? DID YOU SHARE THAT? NO, I DIDN'T. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA CHANGE GRAPHICS. SO, UH, BUT NO, AND, AND ONE THING THAT I COMMITTED TO Y'ALL WHEN Y'ALL GAVE IT THE JOB WAS, WAS THE HIGH VISIBILITY PATROL. WE'RE DOING THAT. MM-HMM. WHEN OFFICERS DRIVE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THEIR, UH, CRUISE LIGHTS ON, PEOPLE SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SEE THOSE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK AND ALL THAT WHERE YOU KNOW, HEY, I SAW AN OFFICER DRIVING THROUGH THE MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S GREAT. WELL, I THINK THE TRAFFIC, UH, TRAFFIC CAMS ARE YEAH. THE VIABLE TOO. BLACK HATS. WE JUST BOUGHT A NEW ONE WHICH SHOWED THE, THE STUDY UP ON, UH, NORTH ALASKA LARRY LANE. THAT'S, UH, $4,500 FOR THAT THANK YOUR LOCAL DRUG DEALERS. EXPLAIN THAT. WHAT'S THAT? THE CAT, THE BLACK CAT. CAT. THE BLACK CAT IS A, IT LOOKS LIKE A MO, UH, GAME CAMERA AND IT SITS OUT THERE, GIVES YOU A TRUE READING. MM-HMM. . AND IT TAKES, I THINK THE LAST STUDY WAS 26,000 VEHICLES THAT CAME DOWN VELASCO. AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE PUT IT DOWN THERE AND IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NOT A POLICE CAR SITTING THERE SLOWING ANYBODY DOWN. THERE'S NOT ANY FLASHING LIGHTS SITTING THERE SAYING YOU NEED TO SLOW DOWN. IT'S THERE. 99% OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE. AND IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A TRUE READING OF WHAT WE NEED TO, HOW WE NEED TO ENFORCE IT. IT'LL GIVE YOU A TIME OF, OKAY, THIS IS THE TIME YOU NEED TO BE THERE TO ENFORCE, UH, TRAFFIC. SO, AND IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, PUTTING THAT BLACK HAT UP THERE, WE ALSO INCREASED PATROL. WE SAT DOWN THERE AT UH, FIRE STATION THREE. SO IT'S GOT A RADAR IN THERE. IT'S GOT A RADAR AND THAT'S MULTI-DIRECTIONAL. UHHUH . WHY HE SMILING MAN? BECAUSE YOU HAD TO BRING IT UP . NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. NOT THAT. YOU UP UP. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. GOTTA FIND THOSE FEEDER. YOU P****D IT OFF, WASN'T HE? YOU DID ON YOUR OWN TO NO, THAT'S, THAT'S BLACK THAT WE HAVE. WE BOUGHT THE, THE NEWEST ONE $4,500. WE ALSO HAVE AN OLDER ONE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO GET SOME NEW BATTERIES FOR IT. OKAY. AND THAT'S ABOUT, UH, THREE YEARS OLD. BUT, BUT THE GREAT PART IS IT HELPS, UM, PERCEPTION VERSUS REALITY. ABSOLUTELY. YES. YOU KNOW, CAUSE I LIKE, AGAIN, PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THEY, WE SPEED DOWN CANNON, WE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. WELL, WHEN YOU PUT THAT UP, IT PUTS UP A TRUE PICTURE. WHETHER, YOU KNOW, PERCEPTION VERSUS REALITY. WELL, NOT EVERYONE'S SPEEDING, IT'S 10% OR IT'S, YOU KNOW. YEAH. WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A, UM, A NOISE MONITOR IN CERTAIN AREAS. CAN WE PUT ONE OF THOSE UP THAT CAN MEASURE NOISE? DECI METER. YEAH, THE DECIMAL METER. HAVE IT SITTING THERE FOR LIKE A WEEK. WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE 'EM TO RESIDENT AND WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOOD PART ABOUT, WE DO HAVE THOSE DECIMAL METERS. IF WE GET A COMPLAINT, IF WE GET A NOISE COMPLAINT, WE'LL GO TO THOSE PEOPLE'S HOUSE. WE'LL SHOW THEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE INDIVIDUAL, WE WERE SHOWING HIM THAT YOU'RE TALKING AT 90 SOMETHING DECIBEL. I THINK, UH, COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS OVER THERE WHEN SHE LAUGHED ONE NIGHT, IT WAS LIKE 98. SAID GOY THE REALITY OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION OF THINGS, PERCEPTION IS RIGHT. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. BUT IT WAS MUCH LOUDER BEFORE YOU GOT ON THE SCENE. OH YEAH. ALWAYS. OR THAT THING WAS WRONG. YOU YEAH, THAT THING IS WRONG. THAT Y'ALL PUT UP THAT MACHINE ISN'T WRONG. IT'S BRAND NEW. . I'M JUST SAYING I WISH THERE WERE, THE WAY WE'RE TRACKING ON THE BLACK HAT. I LIKE IT. I WISH WE COULD DO SOME OTHER NOISE JUST FOR CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN. WELL, WE'LL CERTAINLY RESEARCH SOMETHING IF YOU'LL FIND IT. SIR DRUG COMPLICATION MONEY. I'M SURE IT'S OUT THERE. I'M SURE YOU CAN GET IT WITH YOUR DRUG CONFISCATION MONEY. LITTLE DIG A DITCH, GET SOMETHING WITH DRUG CONFISCATION MONEY. DIG A DITCH. I'VE ALREADY CONTRIBUTED TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT. SO ANYTHING ELSE? I DUNNO. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, DON'T, I JUST WISH WE COULD GIVE EVERYBODY WHAT THEY WANTED. THAT'S WHAT YEAH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, AND, AND SUPPORT SINCE I'VE HAD THIS JOB. I KNOW Y'ALL SUPPORTED US IN THE PAST AND I'M NOT DOING THIS THIS YEAR, TOLD ANYTHING, BUT I, WE, WE DO APPRECIATE IT WHEN THOSE GUYS COME OVER. THEY GOT GOOD EQUIPMENT, WE COULDN'T GET IT WITHOUT CHILD SUPPORT. SO WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, LIEUTENANT. [06:30:01] I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO THIS CONCLUDES THE, UH, I'LL CALL FOR BIGGER BUDGETS PORTION. WHAT WE DO EVERY YEAR, UH, TUESDAY NIGHT, WE HAVE A CEREMONIAL PRESENTATION UP FRONT. UH, JUST AN ADMIN THING FOR OUR TWO, UH, OFFICERS. AND THEN WE WILL HIT ALL THE OTHER, UH, SMALLER, UH, DEPARTMENTS. AND SO SOME OF THOSE WILL BE LIKE NO CHANGE. NO CHANGE, UM, UPDATES Y'ALL. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. BYE. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BUDGET? COUNSEL? UH, YEAH, I, UH, I SEE ALL THESE, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM? WHAT DO WE CALL 'EM? THESE PROPOSED DECISION PACKETS. DECISION PACKETS. THE INCREASES. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WE'RE GOOD. GONNA HAVE TO PRIORITIZE, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE WHAT'S OUR, WHERE, WHERE'S, WHERE'S OUR WINDOW? WHAT'S OUR WINDOW? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE WE HAVE NO WINDOW, SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS A WINDOW. HE'S ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT US CAN FLOOR OUR BUDGET IS, UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE CURRENT BUDGET YES. AND REPLACED IT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S A DECISION BACK. THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. AND LIKE, LIKE I, WE KIND OF, AGAIN TALKED ABOUT THE BEGINNING. THE ONLY OTHER WIGGLE ROOM IN ALL THIS I THINK IS SALES TAX. AND SO IF, IF YOU THINK SALES TAX, WHAT WE PUT IN THERE AT THE 9% IS THE RIGHT NUMBER, THEN, THEN WE'RE, YOU'RE, WE'RE STUCK. IF YOU THINK IF YOU'RE OPTIMISTIC AND WHATEVER, AND YOU WANT TO GO TO A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAT PROVIDES SOME REVENUE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A NUMBER AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL DECISION PACKAGES AND FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO WORK INTO THAT. WHETHER IT'S A PARTIAL STEP PLAN OR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR SOMETHING. WELL, THERE'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TOO THAT WE CAN DO. AND I, I JUST NEED TO SEE THE DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE. SOME OF THIS STUFF CAN BE LUMPED INTO A DEBT SERVICE FOR CAPITAL MM-HMM. . AND WE COULD ACTUALLY FIND SOME ROOM IN THE BUDGET, LIKE IF, IF WE DID ANOTHER ROAD OR, OR DID SOME TYPE OF, UM, SOME, SOME CAPITAL EQUIPMENT FOR IT OR WHATEVER ELSE IT IS TAKING IT OUT OF MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION BUDGET. MM-HMM. MOVING IT OVER TO THE I NS SIDE. MM-HMM. FREE UP SOME OF THE ROOM ON THE M AND O SIDE. SURE. SO I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA PRESENT THAT ON TUESDAY NIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S AN IDEA. YEAH. I MEAN THERE'S THINGS LIKE THE TECH DOT TA GRANT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO IN ON THAT, WE GOTTA BORROW A MILLION DOLLARS. RIGHT. AND SO MAYBE WE BORROW FIVE AND WE DO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND SO WE TAKE IT OUTTA THE M AND O, WE REDUCE ALL THE M AND O PORTIONS. RIGHT. AND CAUSE WE'VE GOT HALF, WE GOT 656,000 IN REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR OUT THE GENERAL FUND BETWEEN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND OTHER AREAS WHERE WE CAN MAYBE CUT. SURE. LIKE THE LIGHTS, THE SOLAR LIGHTS AND MM-HMM. , THINGS LIKE THAT. YEP. BUT, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. I MEAN, I, FOR SIDEWALKS OR UM, SOLAR LIGHTS OR WHATEVER, WE CAN CHUNK A HUNDRED THOUSAND AT A TIME AS PART OF A BIGGER PACKAGE TO MAYBE WE BORROW A MILLION DOLLARS AND IT'S SOLAR LIGHTS, SIDEWALKS, STREET, OTHER STREET REPAIRS, WHATEVER IN THAT PACKAGE. YEAH. I'M JUST BUILDING THE BONES OF WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW, AND THEN I'M GONNA START IDENTIFYING, DIGGING IN, SEEING WHAT MM-HMM. , OTHER THINGS WE CAN GET CREATIVE. WE HAVE TO, DIDN'T HAVE TO. YEAH. SO TUESDAY NIGHT IT'LL BE BACK TO THE, WELL, I GUESS WE COULD, LET'S DO THIS FORMAT. YOU GUYS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? YES. AS LONG AS THERE'S ROOM FOR PUBLIC, I'LL BE LATE. BUT YES. I'LL, I MEAN WE EVEN PUT THE CHAIRS OVER THERE BEHIND US OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MY HOPE IS TO BE HERE ABOUT 7, 7 15. SO HOPEFULLY IT'S STILL GOING. GREAT. WE CAN SCOOT THIS BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT. SURE. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S TERRY, YOU SAID PRIOR PRIORITIZED, LIKE WE'RE ALL THINKING THE SAME THING. YEAH. WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE MOST CRITICAL PART? WHAT'S NEEDED? WHAT, WHAT WE GOTTA TO BE DONE, AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS DECISION PACKAGE FORMAT [06:35:01] THAT WE'RE USING IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN TAKE ALL THOSE PAPERS AND LITERALLY EVERYONE CAN RANK ORDER 'EM LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER THINGS AND COME UP WITH THE TOP FIVE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OR AGAIN, WHAT MOVES INTO A BOND PACKAGE THAT WE CAN, THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I DO IS TAKE ALL THE DECISION PACKETS, PUT 'EM IN A SPREADSHEET AND RANK 'EM ALL UP WHAT THEY ARE. BUT COLLEEN, I DO NEED ONE THING. I ASKED FOR IT LAST YEAR. I NEED IT AGAIN. I NEED HEAD HEADCOUNT BY DEPARTMENT THAT'S IN MY MONTHLY FOR THE FULL YEAR. THE FULL YEAR. YOU WANT EVERYONE WHO WAS ACTIVE OVERALL. YES. EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT HERE. YEAH. WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET BACK TO IS COST PER HEADCOUNT, UM, FOR THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. SO 500 THROUGH 5 63. I NEED ALL, IF IT'S A B, C FUNDED, WELL NO, I STILL WANT THAT. UM, WATERING DEPARTMENT. IF IT'S FUNDED BY SALES TAX, I NEED IT. OKAY. AND YOU WANT THIS FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2022? OR WOULD YOU LIKE FISCAL YEAR 22, 23? I HAVE 21. 2220, SORRY. 23 AND BUDGET 24. SO IF YOU'RE ESTIMATING THAT IN THIS YEAR YOU'RE DOWN A COUPLE PEOPLE AND YOU'RE GONNA, SO IF IT'S IN YOUR FINANCIAL ESTIMATE FOR THE FULL YEAR, I, I'D LIKE THAT HEADCOUNT. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT'S, WHAT'S MAKING UP HOW MANY HEADS FOR THE NEXT YEAR? ALL ACTIVE POSITIONS AND WHEN YOU WANT THAT BY AS SOON AS YOU CAN GET IT. SO I CAN, LIKE TUESDAY NIGHT, I'LL GET IT TO YOU BEFORE WEDNESDAY. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I'LL ENCOURAGE OVER THE, UH, THE SALES TAX RECEIPTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MY, MY ADVICE IS TO TONE IT DOWN. DON'T, DON'T ANTICIPATE. CAUSE IT, IT CAN JUST AS EASILY GO DOWN AS IT CAN GO UP. YEP. YOU START BANKING ON, BUT DOES IT, THE HOPE THAT IT GOES UP, SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THE ONLY WIGGLE ROOM THAT, BUT WOULD THAT GO INTO A FUND BALANCE THEN? SO, SO ONLY A LOT FOR 9% ENDS UP BEING 10. RIGHT. 12 THEN IT GOES INTO THE FUND BALANCE. YES. BUT IF IT'S YOU GO TO 12 AND IT'S NINE, THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF FRONT BALANCE. MM-HMM. CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AS WELL IS I DON'T, WE CAN PLAY WITH IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE, I DON'T SEE US GROWING 9% EVERY YEAR. MM-HMM. , WE DO HAVE MORE HEADCOUNT COMING. WE DO HAVE MORE HEADS IN TOWN. UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S GONNA GENERATE THE 9% REVENUE. I DUNNO. UH, WELL, SOME POINT THERE'LL BE SOME SORT OF DEFLATION USING THE WORD WIGGLE ROOM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT TOO. BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE TWO LETTER WORD THAT WE CAN USE AND IT'S NO DOWN THE WAY WHEN THIS IS YEAH. IF THINGS HAPPEN AND HAVE SIX MONTHS INTO THE BUDGET YEAR, WE FIND OUT CAN'T DO IT. RIGHT. THE OTHER THING TOO, I MEAN IF YOU KEPT IT AT MAYBE 9%, I I, I MEAN, AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE IN OUR BUDGET, COULD WE NOT EXPLORE AT SOME TIME SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. WE CAN GO INTO FUND BALANCE TO MAYBE ADDRESS ONE OR TWO OF THESE ISSUES. OH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO IF WE GET IN A POSITION, I'D RATHER BE IN THAT POSITION WHERE YOU CAN COME BACK TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE A LITTLE ABOVE WHERE WE THOUGHT IT'D BE ON SALES TAX. WE GOT A LITTLE EXTRA REVENUE IN OUR FUND BALANCE. WELL, WE JUST DO A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT AT THE YEAR. DO A BUDGET BUDGET YEAH. AND SAY WE'RE GETTING X X MORE REVENUE AND, AND, AND THEN WE WANT TO EXPENSE AGAINST THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I WILL WARN THAT WE WERE, WHERE WE AT MIDYEAR ABOUT 12% UP HERE OVER YEAR. IT'S GONE DOWN SINCE I THINK IT MIGHT. YEAH. SO IT WAS KIND OF A FALSE READING THAT WE THOUGHT, OH, WE'RE GONNA BE OVER AROUND 12 OR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE HIGHER. AND THEN IT JUST, WE'VE HAD ONE BAD MONTH AND IT DROPPED US DOWN TONIGHT. SO IT, IT CAN HAPPEN PRETTY FAST. YEP. YEAH. JUST LIKE THE START MARKET. I HAVE TO WATCH IT ONE MONTH BY MONTH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WE WILL ADJOURN AT 3 0 5. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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