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OKAY. WOULD I LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT NOON ON AUGUST 16TH, 2023?
[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM TODAY.IN ATTENDANCE ARE JAMIE SCHWARTZ SHAW.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? YES. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ITEM TODAY.
[PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION ITEMS]
THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 28-45 SF 7.2.SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 7.2.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2829 NORTH REMINGTON BEING THE FIFTH LOT NORTH FROM THE NORTH WEST INTERSECTION OF SOUTH REMINGTON AND EAST REMINGTON.
EAST REMINGTON, I'M NOT SURE WHAT DR.
WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM STAFF FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT.
GOOD EVENING AND THANKS FOR ENTERTAINING OUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A CARPORT THAT'S PROPOSED ON A PROPERTY HERE IN ANGLETON.
IT'S PROPOSED TO BE 28 BY 24FT.
IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT ON AN EXISTING LOT IN THE.
IN THE SINGLE FAMILY 7.2 ZONING DISTRICT AT 2829 NORTH REMINGTON.
THE RESIDENCE HAS EXISTED ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 1979.
THE [INAUDIBLE] AT THAT TIME, WHEN IT WAS PLATTED, WAS 25FT FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN EFFECT ON THE VISION.
FIELD OF VISION OR SIGHT DISTANCE FROM THE ROADWAY.
THERE'S OTHER CAR PARTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEY WERE ALL PERMITTED PRIOR TO THE NEED FOR A VARIANCE.
THE THE CHANGE HAPPENED IN 2009 TO THE ORDINANCES.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WOULDN'T INTERRUPT THE VISUAL APPEAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT'S ALREADY BEING CARRIED OUT IN THE SAME FASHION ON OTHER LOTS RIGHT THERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. AS FAR AS IN THE SAME FASHION AND VISUALLY CONSISTENT GOES,
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UNLESS I'M READING THE PACKET WRONG, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS CARPORT WILL COME QUITE CLOSE TO THE STREET.IS THAT CORRECT? WHICH IS UNLIKE ANY OF THE OTHER CARPORTS IN THE PACKET.
SOME OF THE OTHER CARPORTS ARE 15FT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT EVEN THE ONES THAT AREN'T ON CORNER, LOTS DON'T COME WITHIN A FOOT OF THE STREET.
YES. SO WOULD THIS CARPORT COME TO THE SIDEWALK OR WOULD IT ACTUALLY COVER THE SIDEWALK? SO IT WOULD COME TO THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND TYPICALLY THE SIDEWALKS ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT WOULD BE ABOUT THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK.
THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, STREET SIDE OR HOUSE SIDE? HOUSE SIDE. OKAY.
THE. SO ARE WE JUST GOING TO STOP HERE? SO AS PART OF THE PROCESS AND FOR THE SAKE OF MENDY, OF COURSE WE DO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200FT OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO APPEAR TO GIVE COMMENT.
AND THEN AS PART OF THE PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN THAT.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OPEN THE MEETING.
PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED SECOND, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? YOU BRING YOUR MIC DOWN A LITTLE BIT, TOO.
IS THAT BETTER? HI, I'M THE APPLICANT, BO DURR.
IT YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T I INCLUDED THIS THIS MEANS AND BOUNDS SURVEY OF MY PROPERTY IN MY BOOKLET OF PAPERWORK AND I'VE GIVEN SOME RANDOM DIMENSIONS AND I'VE SCALED THE SIZE OF THE CARPORT WITH THAT SURVEY.
AND THE LEADING EDGE OF THE ROOF OF THE CARPORT WILL BE 18FT FROM THE FACE OF THE CURB OF THE STREET.
AND THEN THE FROM THE ROOF OF THE CARPORT, AN ADDITIONAL TWO FEET TOWARDS THE HOUSE ARE THE SET OF POSTS THAT WILL BE SUPPORTING THAT END OF THE CARPORT.
THE FIRST VERTICAL OBSTACLE AT GROUND LEVEL WILL BE 20FT FROM THE FACE OF THE CURB.
IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THAT DOCUMENT IN MY PROPOSAL, AND I THINK YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE POST.
CORRECT. BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EDGE OF THE ROOF OF THE CARPORT.
RIGHT. WHICH WILL BE 18FT BACK FROM THE FACE OF THE CURB OF THE STREET.
BUT POSSIBLY ONE FOOT FROM THE SIDEWALK SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WELL, NO, YOU KNOW, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN'T THINK TO GET A REFERENCE DIMENSION ON THE SIDEWALK.
BUT IT IT AIN'T GOING TO BE THAT CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.
I DIDN'T EVEN THINK THE SIDEWALK WAS ON YOUR MEASUREMENT.
WHAT WOULD BE THE DISTANCE FROM THE EDGE OF COVER OF THE CARPORT TO THE SIDEWALK? WHAT WOULD YOU ESTIMATE? I DIDN'T GET A DIMENSION FOR THE SIDEWALK.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN ESTIMATION WHAT YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE? PROBABLY. OKAY.
18IN OF GRASS FROM THE CURB AND THEN A 36 INCH SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S FOUR FEET, SAY FIVE FEET.
IF IT'S 18 FOOT FROM THE EDGE OF THE CURB TO THE EDGE OF THE ROOF OF THE CARPORT.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT 18IN OF GRASS BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE CURB AND THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK.
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THAT'S JUST ENOUGH ROOM FOR ALL THE MAILBOX POSTS.AND THEN FROM THE THREE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK AND THAT WHAT THEY ARE STANDARD.
SO THAT'S LET'S SAY WE KNOCK OFF FIVE FEET TO THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.
18 MINUS FIVE LEAVES ABOUT 13FT IN THE CLEAR FROM THE HOUSE SIDE, EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK TO THE EDGE OF THE ROOF.
BUT YET THE POST, THE FIRST VERTICAL OBSTACLE TO THE GROUND THAT SOMEBODY COULD WALK INTO, WILL BE IN ANOTHER TWO FEET CLOSER TO THE HOUSE. SO THAT MAKES IT ABOUT 15FT FROM THE POST TO THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK.
WHAT WOULD BE THE LENGTH OF THE ROOF OF THE CARPORT FROM THE HOUSE TO THE EDGE TO THE EDGE OF WHAT? OF THE CARPORT? OH, 24FT.
OKAY. AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 42 FOOT FOUR INCHES FROM THE CURB.
I'M I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 21 ON ITEM TWO IN OUR PACKET.
AND BY THE METES AND THE BOUNDS OF LOT 20, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE ON THAT SHOWS 26FT FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE TO THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
CORRECT. AM I READING THAT? IS ANYBODY ELSE READING THAT DIFFERENT? SO IF YES, ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, THEN YOU'RE COMING WITHIN TWO FEET OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WELL, OKAY, MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING YOU, AND I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
AM I INTERRUPTING YOU ON? BUT THAT 26 FOOT DIMENSION, AS PLOTTED BY THE SURVEY IS TO THAT.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOUR RIGHT OF WAY IS CONSIDERED, RIGHT? YES, BUT THAT'S LIKE AN INVISIBLE LINE.
YES. REGARDING THE CURB OR THE SIDEWALK, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT 26FT.
THAT'S JUST THAT IMAGINARY LINE, WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY STARTS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT IMAGINARY HERE, OF ALL PLACES.
AND DO NOT MEAN TO PRY PERSONALLY WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE THAT IS COVERED. AND BECAUSE IT IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, I'M PRESUMING IT HAS A DOOR TO ENTER IT THROUGH THE HOUSE.
IS THERE I GUESS IS THERE NOT A WAY TO EITHER LOAD THE MEDICALLY FRAGILE INDIVIDUAL THROUGH THE GARAGE OR PERHAPS SHORTEN THE CARPORT TO JUST THE LENGTH OF THE TRUCK THAT'S IN THE PHOTO, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS THE TRUCK YOU'RE TRYING TO LOAD HER INTO? I GUESS I'M IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
FOUR FEET, WHY NOT 12, WHICH IS WHAT THE STANDARD IS.
I'VE NEVER BUILT A CART, NEVER HAD A CARPORT, NEVER BUILT ONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE FOR CARPORTS.
SO I'M KIND OF WELL WHEN I SAY STANDARD FAMILIAR, I'M SAYING WHAT THE CODE WOULD ALLOW.
OH HOW? I THINK MY TRUCK IS 16FT LONG.
17FT. WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST POINT, I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE.
WE'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE FOR OVER 29 YEARS AND MY GARAGE IS NOT EXACTLY I KIND OF WEAVE MY WAY THROUGH THERE SIDEWAYS NOWADAYS, SO I COULDN'T GET MY WIFE THROUGH THERE IN HER WHEELCHAIR WITHOUT A GREAT DEAL OF GETTING RID OF MY TABLE SAW AND A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT I'VE ACCUMULATED OVER THESE 29 YEARS.
I, I PIDDLE AROUND IN THE SHOP AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF TOYS OUT THERE.
SO THAT FULL FOOTPRINT OF THE TWO CAR GARAGE IS PRETTY MUCH OCCUPIED WITH VARIOUS TOYS.
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BUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST TODAY, ON BEHALF OF MY WIFE AND HER AND HER CONDITION IS.TO GIVE GIVE HER SOME SOME KIND OF RELIEF OF GETTING HER IN AND OUT OF THE VEHICLE WITHOUT BEING IMPACTED BY TORRENTIAL RAIN OR SNOW OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND IF 12FT IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME, I'LL TAKE IT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT NOTHING.
24FT WAS PROPOSED BY MY CARPORT CONTRACTOR.
THAT'S THAT WAS HIS STANDARD 24 BY 24.
AND WE ADDED THAT ONE EXTRA LITTLE FOOTPRINT WHERE YOU SEE 12 FOOT, THAT'S ANOTHER FOUR FOOT WIDE SHEET OF THREE INCH THICK ALUMINUM INSULATED PANELS THAT WOULD GET HER OUT OF THE PORCH AND STRAIGHT DOWN TOWARDS THE STREET AND THEN TURN INTO THE DRIVEWAY TO GET INTO THE TRUCK.
SO IT'S BASICALLY 24 BY 24 FOR THE ONE EXTRA LITTLE FOUR FOOT WIDE FOOTPRINT TO GET HER FROM THE END OF THE PORCH, GET A WHEELCHAIR DOWN THAT RAMP AND TURN IT 90 DEGREES TO THE VEHICLE.
SO ANYTHING'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.
I'M HERE FOR WHATEVER YOU'RE IN THE MOOD TO GRANT ME TODAY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
WELL, I MEAN, RESPECTFULLY, BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE WITH A MISCONCEPTION.
IT'S NOT REALLY DISCRETIONARY FOR US.
WE ARE WE ARE BOUND BY REGULATIONS THAT WE SWORE AN OATH TO UPHOLD WHEN WE WERE APPOINTED TO OUR POSITION. SO THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE VERY SPECIFIC WRITTEN FINDINGS ON.
SO, I MEAN, JUST DON'T THINK THAT WHATEVER WE FEEL AS A BODY WE CAN DO TO STAY IN THE SPIRIT AND COMPLIANCE OF THE ORDINANCES PASSED BY OUR CITY GOVERNANCE, THAT THAT WOULD BE ANY KIND OF PERSONAL ATTACK.
OH, I WOULDN'T TAKE IT THAT WAY.
I JUST MARVELED AT HOW WE MANAGE SOMEHOW NOT TO HAVE THIS CODE FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
AT THE TIME, I HAD NO CONCEPT THAT MY WIFE WOULD SLIP INTO HER PRESENT CONDITION, BUT BY THE TIME IT AGAIN CROSSED, MY MIND WAS FOR RADICALLY DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND NOW IT'S MORE FOR A MATTER OF ACCOMMODATION FOR HER SAKE TO AVOID ANY INTERIM ACTION WITH MOTHER NATURE THAT OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
SO WHATEVER Y'ALL COME UP WITH, I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO MOVE. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
WE'LL NOW HAVE BOARD DELIBERATION AND DISCUSSION.
SO WE HAVE TO. WE HAVE THE FIVE FIRST CRITERIA TO MEET.
DOES ANYBODY AND IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS OF STAFF, I THINK WE'LL ALL COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT THE PROPOSALS WOULD HAVE BEEN ANYWHERE FROM, I THINK, 3 OR 4FT FROM THE SIDEWALK, GIVEN THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED AND THE REALITY OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PARTICULAR QUESTIONS, WE'LL ANSWER THOSE.
I ADMITTEDLY THIS IS UNFAIR TO DO BECAUSE IT PUTS Y'ALL ON THE SPOT.
AND I DID ASK AHEAD OF THE MEETING FOR THE TIMELINE THAT THE OTHER CARPORTS WERE CONSTRUCTED.
POSSIBLY WHAT I SHOULD HAVE ALSO ASKED FOR WAS THEIR DIMENSIONS, WHICH I PRESUME THEY HAVE TO DO.
THERE ARE OTHER FOLKS. YOU MEAN THE OTHER ONES WHEN THEY GOT PERMITTED? I THINK WHAT SHE'S DESCRIBING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY MET THAT THRESHOLD OF THE 12 FOOT DEPTH.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE TABLE BEFORE YOU.
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OKAY. THANK YOU.I MEAN, ADMITTEDLY, I THINK YOU CAN TELL BY THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
WHAT I AM STRUGGLING WITH IS THIS BEING A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT AFFECTS THE LAND VERSUS THIS BEING A PERSONAL PERSONAL HARDSHIP, ALBEIT NOT SELF-CREATED, NOT DESIRED.
THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
AND LET ME CLARIFY THE REQUIREMENT OR THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOUR CARPORT THE 12 BY 24 IS ALLOWED, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO SATISFY THE 25 OR 20 FOOT SETBACK, DEPENDING ON YOUR DISTRICT.
SO EVEN IF WE ENTERTAIN THE 12 FOOT DEPTH, YOU STILL ARE DEALING WITH A VARIANCE REQUEST.
THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD IS CAN WE PROPOSE YOU CAN PROPOSE SOMETHING ELSE AND SEE IF THAT WORKS ON THE APPLICANT'S FAVOR AND IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S ACCEPTABLE TO AN ALTERNATIVE.
AND THEN I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE YOU'RE WAIVING THE OVERALL ACCOMMODATION OF THIS VARIANCE AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE OVERALL COMMUNITY, WHICH MAKES SENSE. SO YOU'RE WITHIN YOUR, I THINK, JURISDICTION TO THINK THAT WAY TO OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE.
OKAY. BECAUSE JUST FOR MY OWN CLARITY SAKE, THE WAY I AM READING THE PLAT TRULY THE ONLY THING HE COULD BUILD WITHOUT SOME KIND OF VARIANCE IS A ONE FOOT DEEP CARPORT.
CORRECT. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING HE'S 26FT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND IT NEEDS A 25 FOOT SETBACK BECAUSE THE WAY THE CODE READS, CARPORTS IN THE FRONT YARD HAVE TO BE ATTACHED.
AND ONCE THAT OBJECT IS ATTACHED TO THE HOME, IT BECOMES A PART OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME WHERE SATISFIES YOUR 25 OR 20 FOOT SETBACK, DEPENDING ON THE DISTRICT? OKAY.
YES. SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE THE CARPORT LINK BACK TO 12FT, THEN THERE WOULD STILL BE A VARIANCE NEEDED OR OR I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE THE DEATH OF WHATEVER VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE PARKED UNDERNEATH IT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A COMPROMISE.
OKAY. A SINGLE CAR, A SINGLE VEHICLE, A SINGLE VEHICLE DEATH.
YES. AND WHAT IS THAT AVERAGE SINGLE VEHICLE DEPTH SO WE CAN LOOK UP THE TYPE OF VEHICLE REAL QUICK.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THE DEPTH OF YOUR TRUCK IS? WHAT'S UNDER SITTING OUT FRONT? IT'S A CAB.
WE WE DON'T I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND HOW LONG IT IS.
CAN YOU LOOK IT UP? WE'LL FIND OUT REAL SHORTLY.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A NUMBER NOT TO EXCEED.
RIGHT. IF THE VEHICLE IS 16FT, YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE CARPORT 16.
RIGHT. IT HAS TO BE OFF OR SOMETHING.
THANK YOU. SO, ANYBODY? 16. 17.
I MEAN, BECAUSE HE CAN'T PARK TOUCHING THE BUILDING, SO 17FT OR 18FT.
18FT WOULD PUT HIM SIX FEET OFF THE.
I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST GIVE IT A DISTANCE FROM THE ROOF EDGE.
HE DOES HAVE SOME OVERHANG OF THE ROOF.
OKAY. BUT WHATEVER YOU DECIDE, JUST DO FROM THE ROOF EDGE IN THE FRONT YARD.
AND THAT WAS 26FT RIGHT FROM THE ROOF EDGE.
WHAT ABOUT THE DISTANCE OF THE VARIANCE WOULD BE.
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SO THAT WOULD BE THE 16FT.IF WE DO A VARIANCE OF 16FT, THAT MEANS THE CARPORT IS ONLY GOING TO BE TEN FEET.
NO, THAT MEANS THE CARPORT IS 17FT.
OKAY. BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY HE'S A FOOT WITHOUT A VARIANCE.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE AN ADJUSTMENT TO.
EXCUSE ME. SECTION 28, DASH 45 AS OF 7.2, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, 7.2, DISTRICT TWO LOT SETBACKS TO ALLOW FOR A CARPORT TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER EXISTING DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT YARD WITH A REDUCED SETBACK OF.
TEN FEET. A REDUCED SETBACK OF TEN FEET? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD GET YOU TO THE 26.
I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT DOWN THE MINUTE I HEARD THE NUMBER.
SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED.
I BELIEVE THAT IS EVERYTHING ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 12:30.
YOU GOT A SECOND? I'M SO SORRY.
OH, I DIDN'T THINK WE HAD THE. ALL IN FAVOR FOR THE LAST ONE.
ALL OPPOSED. ANY OPPOSED? MEETING ADJOURNED AT 12:27.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.