10. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on a request for approval of an Ordinance amending the City of Angleton Code of Ordinances, Zoning Chapter 28, and an Ordinance amending Chapter 23- Land Development Code, including Sections 28-41 through Sections 28-62 – Residential and Commercial Zoning Districts, Section 23-115– Standard language for special plat elements, Subsection C. Fire lanes and fire easements, Street pavement width requirement modifications. ARTICLE II. – Subdivision and Development Design, Section 23-12, Table 23-12.1, Street Dimension Standards, and Streets and Driveways, Section 129, and Section 28-101 Off-street and loading requirements (11).J. Fire Lanes, providing for clarity on area regulations, setback requirements and other standards, as set out and applicable in each Zoning district.

[10. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action on a request for approval of an Ordinance amending the City of Angleton Code of Ordinances, Zoning Chapter 28, and an Ordinance amending Chapter 23- Land Development Code, including Sections 28-41 through Sections 28-62 – Residential and Commercial Zoning Districts, Section 23-115– Standard language for special plat elements, Subsection C. Fire lanes and fire easements, Street pavement width requirement modifications. ARTICLE II. – Subdivision and Development Design, Section 23-12, Table 23-12.1, Street Dimension Standards, and Streets and Driveways, Section 129, and Section 28-101 Off-street and loading requirements (11).J. Fire Lanes, providing for clarity on area regulations, setback requirements and other standards, as set out and applicable in each Zoning district. ]

ITEM NUMBER TEN.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

CODE OF ORDINANCES ZONING, CHAPTER 28 AND AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 23 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, INCLUDING SECTIONS 28 THROUGH

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41. THROUGH SECTIONS 28 THROUGH 62.

RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

SECTION 20 3-115- STANDARD LANGUAGE FOR SPECIAL PLAT ELEMENTS.

SUBSECTION, SUBSECTION C FIRE LANES AND FIRE EASEMENTS.

STREET PAVEMENT WIDTH REQUIREMENT MODIFICATIONS.

ARTICLE TWO SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT DESIGN.

SECTION 23 DASH 12.

TABLE 23 DASH 12.1 STREET.

DIMENSIONS, STANDARDS AND STREET AND DRIVEWAYS.

SECTION 129 AND SECTION 28 DASH 101 OFF STREET AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS J FIRE 11 J FIRE LANES.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS, BUT PROVIDING FOR CLARITY ON AREA REGULATIONS, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER STANDARDS AS SET OUT AND APPLICABLE IN EACH ZONING DISTRICT.

THAT'S A LOT TO READ.

MY APOLOGIES. DO WE WANT GO AHEAD AND GIVE US AN OVERVIEW AND WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT.

ITEM NUMBER TEN ACTUALLY WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHO HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR SOME TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT YOU AND STAFF HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO REGARDING SOME OF THE STANDARDS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF FRONT YARD SETBACK, LOT WIDTHS AND STANDARDS. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAFETY ISSUE BASICALLY ALONG THE STREET RIGHT OF WAYS, THE STREET PASSAGE WIDTH WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT.

SO IF YOU WOULD JUST SCROLL DOWN TO SOME OF THE THE PHOTOGRAPHS, JUST TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AN IDEA.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE HEARING THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND ALLOWING FOR OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS BY COUNCIL.

BUT ESSENTIALLY HERE WHAT YOU HAVE IS ON YOUR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH ENCROACHMENT ONTO THE SIDEWALK AREAS FROM FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING.

SECOND SLIDE DEALS WITH CUL DE SACS, WHERE INDIVIDUAL SUBDIVISIONS ARE UTILIZING THAT AREA FOR PARKING PURPOSES AND NOT FOR THE REAL PURPOSE OF SAFETY.

TRAVEL OF LARGE VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO CIRCLE OUT OF THE DEAD END STREET.

AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE THERE, STREET PAVEMENT WITH CURB TO CURB CURRENTLY REQUIRED 28FT.

WE'RE INCREASING THAT TO 30FT FOR THAT PASSAGE WITH AS YOU SEE, WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.

THAT BEING SAID, ALSO JUST ROLLING DOWN ON THAT PARTICULAR REPORT, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE ALSO HAD A WORK SESSION WITH THE DEVELOPERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN SOME PUBLIC INPUT ON THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS. I WON'T GO THROUGH THEM FULLY.

THE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE AGENDA.

IN TERMS OF ATTACHMENTS, I DO HAVE SOME TREES HERE IN TERMS OF THE RED LINES, WHICH I CAN LEAVE YOU WITH TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL TIME ON THIS, TO HOLD IT ONE READING, AND POSSIBLY CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL YOUR DECEMBER MEETING FOR A FINAL ADOPTION OF THESE STANDARDS. THAT WILL GIVE LEGAL AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THEM FULLY AND COORDINATE ALL OF THE SECTIONS YOU JUST READ IN TERMS OF ANY CONFLICTS.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE IT, OF COURSE, CODIFIED.

ALSO, AS I STATED EARLIER, WITH THE FIRE LANES, WE'RE LOOKING AT DESIGNATING THE CUL DE SACS AS A FIRE LANE FOR THE PURPOSES OF SAFETY THAT I JUST MENTIONED.

I HAVE PROVIDED ALSO THE MINUTES WITHIN YOUR AGENDA OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN TERMS OF THEIR RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS.

THE VIDEO IS AVAILABLE FOR THE WORK SESSION IN CASE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO REVIEW THE FULL PRESENTATION, AND THEN STAFF IS AVAILABLE IN BETWEEN TO RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS. AND THEN WE'LL BRING THAT BACK IN THE DECEMBER 12TH MEETING FOR FINAL ACTION, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S IT FOR THE SUMMARY.

AND THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS.

SECOND, BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND TELL US YOUR OPINION.

DON'T BE SHY. AND IF COUNCIL WISHES I WOULD, I COULD SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE SECTIONS IN TERMS OF THE LOT WIDTHS AND THE SETBACK ARRANGEMENTS, JUST FOR THE INFORMATION OF THE PUBLIC.

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SURE. ON YOUR STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, THAT THRESHOLD IN TERMS OF FRONT YARD SETBACK IS BEING INCREASED TO 35FT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OR THE FRONTAGE OF THE GARAGE, AND THIS WOULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SIDEWALK AREA.

AND OF COURSE, THIS WOULD BE FOR NEWLY APPROVED LOTS.

AND THEN ON THOSE STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY ARRANGEMENTS, WE LOOKED AT SIDE YARD SETBACK, INCREASING THOSE FROM 5FT TO 10FT.

AND THEN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WOULD BE ON YOUR SMALLER LOTS, MEANING YOUR 50 FOOTERS.

OR WE HAD SOME PATIO HOME LOTS THAT WERE ONLY 5000 OR 2500FT².

IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT LET'S SAY IT'S MORE NARROW IN NATURE.

SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS COMPLAINED THAT THEIR PRODUCTS THAT THEY'RE PROMOTING ON SOME OF THOSE LOTS WOULD BE DIFFICULT.

ONCE YOU INCREASE THAT FRONT YARD SETBACK, IT WOULD MINIMIZE THAT REAR YARD ON SOME OF YOUR MORE SHALLOW LOTS.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF PLANNING, WE WILL TRY TO ENSURE THAT LOTS ARE AT LEAST 120FT DEEP.

AND I THINK THESE MANEUVERING OF ADDING 35FT REQUIREMENT ON THE FRONT COULD BE MORE FEASIBLE.

BUT IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE SMALLER LOTS, SOME OF THOSE PRODUCTS WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR COMMENTS.

OTHER THAN THAT ON YOUR COMMERCIAL, WE INCREASED IN THE INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL AREA UP TO 35FT FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK AS WELL.

OF COURSE, THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING THOSE STANDARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THERE ARE NO ISSUES WITH THE ESTATE LOTS, WHICH ARE USUALLY YOUR LARGER LOTS WITH MORE ACREAGE.

THAT'S IT. IN SUMMARY.

ANYONE. WE ARE STILL IN A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I STILL WANT TO HAVE COMMENTS.

SO CAN WE DO THAT? KEEP IT OPEN. WELL WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT OPEN.

BUT CAN WE HAVE COMMENT NOW FROM THE COUNCIL.

OKAY I WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR.

I HEAR THE CONCERN ON THE SMALL LOTS, BUT I THINK WHAT OUR GOAL HERE IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR THAT.

WE CAN ALWAYS SAY YES, BUT WE CAN MOST CERTAINLY SAY NO.

BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO SET A STANDARD THAT'S ENFORCEABLE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW.

THE I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE CUL DE SACS, BECAUSE I SPENT SOME TIME DRIVING THROUGH SOME OF THE NEWER SUBDIVISIONS OVER THE WEEKEND JUST TO READY FOR THIS DISCUSSION.

AND IT'S IT'S HORRIBLE.

THE YOU CANNOT GET AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE TURNED AROUND IN ONE OF THOSE CUL DE SACS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE USING IT LIKE A PARKING LOT.

AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS PEOPLE ARE NOT PARKING.

YOUR PICTURE IS VERY NICE.

SO THE FACT THAT THE TWO CARS WERE PARKED CLOSE TO THE CURB, BUT IN MY WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THEY GET CLOSE TO THE CURB OR THEY'RE AT AN ANGLE.

SO YOU HAVE YOUR NARROWEST POINT OF PASSAGE, RIGHT? SO YOU DO THIS, IT'S BETTER, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S HOWEVER THEY PARKED IT AT THAT POINT.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO ASK A QUESTION FOR JUDITH.

THIS IS FOR YOU AND FOR OTIS.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY SOME RESIDENTS.

AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT, IS THE FENCING.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT IN HERE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK LATER? BECAUSE THE FENCING FOR SOME OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS IS VERY LACKLUSTER AT BEST.

IT'S ALREADY FALLING APART.

AND I MEAN, I'M NOT USING THE ONE TO THE SOUTH AS THE BIGGEST EXAMPLE, BUT IT DID FALL OVER IN THE LAST STORM.

BUT WE ALREADY HAVE SOME BUCKLING, SOME BOWING OF BOARDS ON SOME OF THE NEWER ONES AS WELL.

AND THEY SAID IN FIVE YEARS THE PANELS WILL BE FALLING OFF.

IT'LL LOOK LIKE RANCHO WHERE SOME OF THEM ARE GONE, SOME OF THEM HAVE FALLEN OFF.

WE'VE GOT TO BE CONSISTENT THERE.

SO LET ME JUST ANSWER THAT.

THE FENCING IS COVERED BY A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS.

SO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WE HAVE FENCING REQUIREMENTS SET OUT.

AND THEN THERE ARE HOA FEES FOR SOME OF THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS.

WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SURE.

BUT THE FENCING WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS TAKE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING COME BACK.

HOWEVER, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO ALREADY.

SO IF SOMEBODY CAN COMMUNICATE TO ME WHERE THOSE FENCES ARE, I CAN TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE DICTATED BY AN HOA OR TERMS OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

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GOT IT. AND TYPICALLY ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE'RE ABLE TO ENFORCE ANY FENCES THAT ARE NOT IN ITS UPRIGHT POSITION.

SO WE'RE COVERED BY THAT IN TERMS OF MATERIALS AND FADING, WE MAY NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF HOA WOULD MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT. BUT HOWEVER THE CONTINUITY OF THE FENCE REMAINING VERTICAL, I THINK WE'RE FINE FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT IN MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN HANDLE THOSE THROUGH THE EXISTING CODES.

OKAY. AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FIRE LANES IN THE ORDINANCE.

ARE YOU GOING TO OR IS THERE GOING TO BE MARKING FOR THOSE.

SO THEY THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DETAIL FROM A PUBLIC WORKS STANDPOINT.

AND THEN THE ENFORCEMENT WE WOULD HAVE TO DELINEATE THROUGH LEGAL WHO WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY TO ENFORCE THAT ONCE WE MARK THEM PROPERLY WITH SIGNAGE OR STRIPING.

OKAY. BECAUSE SOMEONE ASKED THEY SAID, OKAY, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE MAKING THESE FIRE LANES AND SHOULDN'T THEY BE MARKED AS FIRE LANES? CORRECT. THEY SHOULD BE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. RIGHT? YES WE AGREE.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? YES I DO ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS AND I'M SURE THERE'S A REASON WHY, BUT I UNDERSTAND ON THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TEN AND SEVEN, TEN AND 20 OR SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE 20 AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TEN, THE WIDTH IS PRESCRIBED AS 28FT THERE.

AS OPPOSED TO 30FT.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, LIKE 7.2 DOWN TO.

S5. CORRECT.

Y TWO LESS FEET.

WE ONLY DID THAT THROUGHOUT DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ALL WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE DISTRICTS BECAUSE OF THE LARGE LOT CONFIGURATION. THE DRIVEWAYS WERE MUCH LONGER BECAUSE HOUSES WERE SET BACK SO FAR FROM THE ROADWAY.

SO FOR FOLKS, YOU KNOW, HAVING MULTIPLE CARS, IT WAS REALLY NO ISSUE BECAUSE THEY CAN PARK ALL OF THE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY.

WE CAN CERTAINLY ADJUST THAT FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES.

WE CAN ADJUST THAT TO 30FT.

BUT THAT'S JUST US LISTENING TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

SO IF I WERE GOING TO GO WITH THAT.

I THINK. WE EITHER EXPAND IT TO 30FT AND HAVE IT CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, OR MAKE THE SF TEN'S FRONT YARD SETBACK 40FT TO MATCH THE SF 2020.

SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S NOT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME CONSISTENCY THERE.

IN MY OPINION, AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH A HALF ACRE LOT, WITH A HALF ACRE LOT IN A FULL ACRE LOT.

THE 40FT, I THINK IS AMENABLE.

BUT IF YOU WANTED TO, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING, THOUGH? IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT 28, THEN MAKE THE SF TEN SETBACKS 40FT.

AND THAT GIVES YOU JUST THAT LITTLE MORE SPACE SO YOU WON'T ENCROACH UPON ANY SIDEWALKS.

OKAY. SO JUST OR 40.

THAT'S. THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.

IF YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.

AND I WANTED TO ADD ALSO, I MENTIONED IN THE STAFF SUMMARY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN REGULATION IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN IMPOSE A PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF ROADWAY.

SO IF THERE ARE SOME EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAY NOT FIT THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE, YOU MAY WANT TO TO SELECTIVELY LOOK AT OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN POST SIGNAGE AND POST THAT CURRENT STANDARD THAT IS IN THE REGULATIONS ON THOSE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.

OKAY. I'M A BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT NO MORE THAN THAN NO MORE LOCAL DEVELOPERS CAME TO THIS THEN I SEE HERE.

DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS ADVERTISED OR JUST OTHER THAN.

BUT. MANY.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

CITY TO OUR SOUTH WENT THROUGH A MAJOR CHANGE LIKE THIS.

AND SEVERAL OF THE LOCAL DEVELOPERS, SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY AT THE TIME, ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERS, CAME AND THEY HAD A LONG LITANY OF QUESTIONS AND INPUT, WHICH THAT'S ENDED

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UP HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THEIR CURRENT STANDARDS.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE ATTEMPTED TO SEND IT OUT TO OVER 100 EMAILS.

WE HAD A LITTLE DIFFICULTY WITH TECHNOLOGY IN TERMS OF FOLKS SAYING THEY COULD NOT LOG IN, BUT HOWEVER, WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THEM SINCE THE 26TH OF. I TOLD.

AND GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO STEAL.

SENDING THOSE COMMENTS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNTIL DECEMBER THE 12TH.

I'VE SPOKEN PERSONALLY WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS AND PLEADED THAT THEY WOULD AT LEAST SEND IT TO ME IN WRITING, EVEN IF IT'S ANONYMOUS.

A LOT OF THEM JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THEIR NAME ON IT, BUT THEY DID HAVE SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.

AS I STATED EARLIER, WITH SOME OF THE PRODUCTS THAT THEY DO PROMOTE.

YES SIR, YES SIR.

I DO WANT TO ECHO ONE THING THAT JOHN SAID ON THE S5'S.

ANALYSIS. SIDE YARD SETBACK, FIVE FEET.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TEN.

JUST AGAIN CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD.

HOWEVER I MEAN WE KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK.

EITHER FOR SOME SORT OF ADJUSTMENT OR A VARIANCE.

SO. WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE.

AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST LIKE CONSISTENCY.

I GUESS THAT'S MY THING. YEAH, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO GIVE.

I WANT IT TO BE TEN ON THOSE SMALLER.

WE CAN DO THAT. AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS THE PLAN DISTRICT APPROACH.

THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A SPECIFIC PRODUCT.

CORRECT. IF SOMEBODY HAS A SPECIFIC PRODUCT, ESPECIALLY ON THE INFILL LOTS, I'M SURE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOT A LOT OF THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I THINK IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE WORKSHOP, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU GATHERED ALL THE INFORMATION CLEARLY PRESENTED, AND IT'S VERY, VERY GOOD.

JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALL RIGHT. LEAVING THIS OPEN.

SO IF YOU'RE LEAVING IT OPEN, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE REVISIONS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED YOU'D NEED TO VOTE ON.

OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND SF FIVE SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM.

WHAT'S LISTED IN THE CHART IS 5FT TO 10FT.

AND FOR SF TEN.

FRONT YARD SETBACK IN THE CHART IS LISTED AS 35FT TO MAKE IT 40FT TO MATCH SF 20.

SECOND HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AND WE WILL STAY IN PUBLIC HEARING TILL THE NEXT MEETING.

MOVING TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.

[11. Discussion and possible action to award Bid 2023-08 Addition to Fire Station No. 3 to Matula & Matula. ]

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AWARD BID 2020 3-08 ADDITIONS TO FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE TO MATULA.

MATULA. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IS THE BID PACKAGES AND SCORES FOR THE COMMITTEE DID.

WE RECEIVED FOUR BIDS FOR DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.

WE HAD A COMMITTEE OF FIVE PEOPLE SCORE THESE CONTRACTORS.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT CAME IN WAY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.

HIGHER THAN WHAT THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER WAS EXPECTING AS WELL.

SO I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH HOW WE GOT TO MATTHEW AND MATTHEW? YEAH. SO LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS A PANEL OF FIVE PEOPLE.

I WAS THERE, BUT I WAS NOT ONE OF THE FIVE THAT WAS SCORING.

SO THE THEY LOOKED OVER ALL THE PACKETS AND SCORED IT TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES BASED ON WHAT WAS IN THOSE PACKETS.

SO THEY HAVE A, A PACKET, A SCORE SHEET THAT HAS QUESTIONS, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS PER CONTRACTOR, AND THEY TRY TO FIND THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS IN THOSE PACKETS.

HOWEVER, IT IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE THERE'S NO THERE'S SO MUCH VARIATION IN THE PACKETS.

THERE'S NO SET WAY.

EACH PACKET WAS PUT TOGETHER DIFFERENTLY.

SO THEY HAVE TO DIG AROUND AND FIND THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED OF THEM.

OKAY. DID WERE THEY GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO SCORE OR HOW TO, I GUESS ASSESS.

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SO AT THE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE OF THE OF THE COMMITTEE WAS IT ALL KICKS OFF.

THE LEADER OF THE COMMITTEE WILL GIVE THEM GIVE THEM ALL THE PACKETS, TELL THEM THAT HOW THEY SCORED ONE THROUGH FIVE OR FORGIVE ME, I DON'T REMEMBER THE ACTUAL SCORE NUMBERS.

AND IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKING, THEN THEY WOULD EXPLAIN WHAT THAT QUESTION WAS ASKING.

BUT AS FAR AS WHERE TO FIND IT IN THAT PACKET OR PER CONTRACTOR? NO, THEY WERE NOT GIVEN THAT ANSWER.

ASSUMING THAT ALL FOUR OF THESE CONTRACTORS BID ON THE SAME BID PACKAGE.

WHO PUT THE BID PACKAGE TOGETHER? I'D.

I'M STILL CONFUSED.

OKAY, THIS IS DIFFERENT TO WHAT I'M USED TO SEE.

IS THIS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECT? HOW IS THIS CONTRACT STRUCTURED? WHO'S GOING TO BE ADMINISTERING THE CONTRACT? SO IED IS OUR ARCHITECT AND OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER.

THAT I'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY ABOUT WHO TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO.

NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

DO YOU KNOW WHY? JUST FOR MY CURIOSITY.

MATULA. MATULA.

AND THEIR WORKDAYS IS ALMOST FOUR MONTHS LONGER THAN THE OTHER COMPETING CLOSEST COMPETING.

NO, I DON'T WE WE ASK THAT QUESTION IN THE COMMITTEE AND WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH ANY LOGICAL REASON.

THE OTHER THREE ARE UNDER SIX MONTHS OR UNDER.

AND THAT'S PUSHING A YEAR.

YEAH. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEAD TIME ON THE BUILDING, ACTUALLY GETTING THE BUILDING THERE.

THAT'S THE LONGEST LEAD TIME FOR ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS.

SO MAYBE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.

BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY LOGICAL REASON.

I JUST SOME OF THE.

I FEEL LIKE THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES IN THE RATINGS.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEM.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST SECTION OF OVERALL COST.

THERE. THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

BUT THAT TO ME, I'M INTERPRETING IT AS THE BID COST.

AND ACCORDING TO THE BID PLAN, HOW WELL DO THEY COME INTO THE OVERALL COST? AND SO I WOULD EXPECT A BIG VARIATION BETWEEN HOW THAT CAME OUT.

BUT SOME OF THE SCORES ARE CONSISTENT ACROSS EVERY ONE OF THE GROUPS, RATING THEM EITHER LOW OR ALL HIGH.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO MIDDLE GROUND TO HOW THIS WAS DONE.

IT'S JUST I'M NOT.

I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, MY POINT SYSTEM.

IT GOES TO MATILDA.

MATILDA. BUT WHEN I DIVE INTO THE QUESTIONS AND HOW IT'S RATED.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT TO ME.

I WOULD. RANK SOME OF THESE GUYS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN CERTAIN AREAS AND CATEGORIES THAN OTHERS.

AND OH, BY THE WAY, THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS NOT.

IT'S 991,000 FUNDS REQUESTED ON A $550,000 BUDGET.

WELL, WHERE DOES THAT EXTRA COME FROM? SO THIS IS IN A BOND.

IT'S IN A BOND. PROJECT AS MY.

YEAH, BUT WE'RE LIMITED, RIGHT?

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WELL, SO THAT BOND WAS FOR THE OK.

WE ALSO USED IT FOR THE CITY HALL ANNEX.

WE USED IT FOR THE.

GENERATOR MOUNTED THE TRAILER MOUNTED GENERATOR.

THIS PROJECT AND SO THAT REALLY.

RIGHT. WELL AND WE ALSO DESIGNATED FOR STREETS.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO EXPENSES SO FAR.

CITY HALL ANNEX WHICH WE KNOW IS NOT GOING TO BE WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.

GET WE'RE GETTING READY TO KICK OFF THE OK.

WE'LL KNOW THAT SOON.

WE'VE GOT THE THE TRAILER IN HOUSE ON HAND.

SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY KIND OF PUT THE BOND TOGETHER, WE FIGURED $8 MILLION OUT OF THE $10 MILLION WERE FOR THOSE PROJECTS, LEAVING ABOUT $2 MILLION FOR ROADS.

CORRECT. SO NOT HAVING COMMITTED TO ROADS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE AT 8 MILLION ISH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SPEND OR WE'RE PROJECTED TO SPEND.

WELL, PROBABLY MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, 9 MILLION RIGHT NOW.

SO IN REALITY, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, BASED OFF OF WHAT WE BONDED FOR, WE'RE PROBABLY AT 9 MILLION.

I'LL CALL IT CLOSE TO ENCUMBERED OR PROJECTED TO BE ENCUMBERED.

AND WE'RE STILL AT ABOUT $1 MILLION FOR ROADS OR STREETS OR SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER ELSE WE DECIDE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING BECAUSE, I MEAN, I WAS PRETTY ADAMANT WHEN WE PASSED THAT I WANTED THE 2 MILLION FOR STREETS.

SO NOW WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS.

WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU CAN DO THAT.

AND THEN WE JUST CUT SOMETHING ELSE.

I ALSO FEEL LIKE THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD HAVE AWARDED THE CONTRACT ON WAS THE OPERATIONS CENTER, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST PRIORITY THAT WE HAD ON THAT BOND, THAT DEBT SERVICE.

SO WE START TAKING MONEY FROM THESE OTHER PROJECTS FIRST.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN A WHEN WE FINALLY GO TO THAT LEVEL? WHEN THAT COMES TO US, WE COULD BE OUT OF FUNDS.

THAT'S ONLY THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, IS THE TIMING.

UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE MAC OR.

SO. SO THE RFQ IS OUT THERE FOR THE CMAA.

YOU SHOULD AWARD THAT IN DECEMBER, AND THEN WE WILL GET GOING WITH THE FINAL DESIGN AND IT'LL GO OUT FOR BID.

OKAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO REMIND CITY COUNCIL THAT PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, YOU HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO REJECT ALL OF THE BIDS.

I FEEL CERTAIN THAT PERHAPS THE NEWER MEMBERS DON'T KNOW THAT.

YES. JUST SO SOME FURTHER INFORMATION, JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE NEW MEMBERS.

SO WE ORIGINALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING AND BUILDING THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S AN OVERFLOW BUILDING.

WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE.

IF YOU GO TO THE THE TWO STATIONS RIGHT NOW, STATION ONE AND STATION THREE, THERE'S EQUIPMENT SITTING OUTSIDE.

WE'VE GOT TRUCKS SITTING OUTSIDE.

WE'VE GOT TRAINING EQUIPMENT SITTING OUTSIDE STATION THREE.

I'VE GOT PHONES SITTING OUTSIDE.

WE'RE OUT OF SPACE THIS YEAR.

WE'RE FIXING TO PURCHASE ANOTHER TRUCK.

SO WHICH TRUCK AM I GOING TO PUT OUTSIDE? THAT'S WHERE I'M AT IS I'M FIXING TO PURCHASE ANOTHER $600,000 TRUCK.

WHICH 1 A.M. I GOING TO PUT OUTSIDE? IS THERE A DEADLINE ON THIS? I THOUGHT WOULD BE TO.

TO. KIND OF ECHO WHAT JOHN SAID EARLIER.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE OPERATIONS CENTER AND HOW MUCH.

MAKING SURE WE'RE STILL GOOD THERE.

SO SO RECOMMENDATION IS YOU COULD DENY THE BIDS AND NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND THEN RELOOK AT COSTS WHEN OK BEEN BID AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE $11 MILLION IN BONDS FOR NEXT YEAR.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE TAKE IT OUT OF THIS AND PUT IT INTO THAT AND AGAIN, TRY TO BID IT OUT AND HOPE IT COMES IN AT THE

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$500,000 ISH RANGE? OR YOU CAN WAIT TILL THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

I MEAN THERE'S. I MEAN, WHEN WHEN ARE YOU LOOKING TO HAVE AN IMMINENT STORAGE ISSUE? SO I'VE GOT A STORAGE ISSUE NOW.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT BUT A BIGGER STORAGE ISSUE.

THAT'S THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I'LL HAVE I SHOULD HAVE THIS TRUCK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ORDERING BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

WE'RE TALKING THE END OF THIS SCHOOL YEAR THIS FISCAL YEAR 2424.

AND AT THAT POINT, YOU AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHICH PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS SITTING OUT IN THE SUN, IN THE RAIN.

THAT WILL BE THAT WILL BE WHEN WE TAKE DELIVERY OF THAT TRUCK.

THAT WILL BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR.

YES. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS BIDDERS AND AMOUNTS HERE.

DID THE THE THE SCORERS HAVE THE THE BIDS IN FRONT OF THEM WHEN THEY WERE SCORING THESE CONTRACTORS.

YES. THEY ALL HAD PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM.

WHY DID WE SCORE THE CONTRACTORS.

WHY DID WE SCORE THE CONTRACTOR.

YES, SIR. YEAH. WE NORMALLY GO IF, IF THE CONTRACTORS.

HERE'S THE WORLD I LIVE IN.

IF THE CONTRACTOR IS A REPUTABLE CONTRACTOR THAT I CHECK OUT, HIS QUALIFICATIONS, HIS THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, THEN IF THEY'RE A REPUTABLE CONTRACTOR, I LOOK AT THE BID AND WHY THE BID MAY NOT HAVE TO TAKE THE LOW BID, BUT THAT'S A BIG FACTOR.

SO I MEAN, IS THIS IS THIS REQUIRED OF US? GO AHEAD. BECAUSE CECIL THERE'S AN ARCHITECT INVOLVED.

SO THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT TRIGGERS SECTION 2269, IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT THAT WAY.

SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT.

WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THE WAY THE REQUEST FOR BIDS WAS WRITTEN WAS NOT FOR JUST THE LOWEST BID.

I DIDN'T SEE THE REQUEST FOR BIDS, SO I DON'T KNOW THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED.

WHEN YOU SAY ALLOWS, YOU MEAN AS IN PERMITS OR AS REQUIRES? PERMITTED. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO DO WHATEVER YOUR REQUEST FOR BIDS SAYS.

SO WHATEVER YOU SET OUT IN YOUR REQUEST, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.

SO BECAUSE IT SAID THAT IN THE REQUEST, WE HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

WHAT IS IT SAY? WHAT IS THE REQUEST FOR BID SAY? THE REQUEST FOR BIDS, SAYS.

IT DOES NOT SAY LOWEST.

I DON'T HAVE IT UP RIGHT NOW.

SORRY. IT DOES NOT SAY THE LOWEST.

I HELPED WRITE IT AND I WROTE IT SO THAT IT TRIGGERED.

2269, WHICH GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO SET OUT THE CRITERIA IN THE REQUEST FOR BIDS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SELECT BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT'S IN THE REQUEST FOR BIDS.

SO THAT'S MOST OF THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT WHATEVER WHAT WE SET OUT IN THE REQUEST FOR BIDS, THAT CRITERIA IS WHAT SHOULD BE ON THE SCORE SHEETS.

OKAY. ALTHOUGH I DID NOT SEE THE SCORE SHEETS BEFORE THEY WERE CREATED, I DIDN'T SEE THEM UNTIL THEY HIT.

OKAY, WELL I'M NOT I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO THAT BACK ON THE KING CENTER.

I. I'VE BEEN EAGER TO GET THAT THING GOING.

I'VE WONDERED WHERE IT'S SITTING AT.

AND NOW I FIND OUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW SOME SUBMITTALS FOR CONTRACTOR AT RISK.

I'M EAGER TO SEE THAT.

BUT AS MAYOR SAID, THAT WAS A THAT'S THAT WAS THE KICKER FOR THIS WHOLE FOR THIS WHOLE BID BOND FOR THE NOT BID BOND BID BOND BOND ISSUE.

SO I'D HATE TO GET MYSELF STUCK IN A CORNER AND FIND OUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BID TO BUILD THE KING CENTER, BECAUSE I'VE COMMITTED EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH WAS SECONDARY TO START WITH.

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR, SCOTT.

BUT I'M SORRY. THAT'S HOW.

THAT'S HOW THE BONDS WERE SET UP.

I WAS JUST AS SURPRISED WHEN ALL THE BIDS CAME IN, BELIEVE ME.

YES, SIR. I KNOW THE ARCHITECT WAS TOTALLY SHOCKED AND THE ENGINEER WAS TOO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT.

AH, THEY'RE JUST CURIOUS.

SO THEY'RE REPRESENTED.

THIS I MEAN, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE AWARDED POTENTIALLY.

SO ARE THERE ANY REPRESENTATIVES FROM ANY OF THESE COMPANIES HERE? AND WITH NOBLE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT.

SO DID WE GO BACK TO AIDA AND ASK THEM ABOUT THEIR ESTIMATE, HOW THEY GOT TO WHERE THEY GOT THAT ESTIMATE.

SO I DID ASK THE QUESTIONS.

AND BECAUSE THEY SO THEY, I MEAN, THEY COME BACK ALMOST TWICE.

RIGHT. AND HE HE HAS NO GOOD EXPLAINER.

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HE COULDN'T EXPLAIN WHY THE BIDS CAME BACK SO MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT IS ESTIMATED.

THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE HERE, MAYBE I ASK.

I'D BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN ON IT.

SURE, PLEASE. YOU GOT A MICROPHONE? THANK YOU. GIVE US SOME INSIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. YEAH.

I APPRECIATE YOU FOR SHOWING UP.

WHAT DID I LEARN? HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.

YEAH. SO THANK YOU, TIM DAVENPORT.

I KNOW WE'LL GO TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

WE WERE ONE OF THE ONES WHO TURNED IN A PRICE ON THIS.

AND AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO COME AND UNDERSTAND THE SCORING PROCESS, HOW THAT SCORING PROCESS WORKED.

IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO US.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO COME, TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF OURSELVES.

IF YOU'D LIKE A BREAKDOWN, A VERY DETAILED BREAKDOWN, WE'D BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THAT AND SHOW YOU WHERE THE COSTS ARE.

AT THIS POINT. IT IS.

I MEAN, THE CIVIL AND CONCRETE WORK IS QUITE A BIT IN AND OF ITSELF.

THE BUILDING, THE OVERHEAD DOORS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP SO MUCH OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP PRICING WISE.

AND SO ESCALATION, NOT ONLY JUST FROM A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE, BUT JUST THE PRICES HAVEN'T COME DOWN.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME HOPE.

MAYBE AT SOME POINT IT MIGHT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A BETTER PRICE ON THIS BUILDING.

I'M VERY CERTAIN OF THAT AT THIS POINT.

SO I'D BE GLAD TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE COULD.

I MEAN, WE ARE WE ARE HERE IN ANGLETON.

WE'RE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, PART OF THIS, THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE.

AND SO WE WOULD WE'D BE GLAD TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN TO, TO HELP MAKE THIS PROJECT COME, COME FORWARD.

THAT'S THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO SEE THE COUNCIL A BREAKDOWN OF ALL OF THAT.

SO I DO HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION.

SO IF I IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE COST DIFFERENCE IS REALLY DRIVEN FROM THE TYPE OF MATERIAL BEING USED, THE, THE PREFAB, THE CONCRETE WORK.

RIGHT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE COST.

THAT'S WHERE THE COSTS ARE.

IS THE SITE WHERE THE CONCRETE, WHERE THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE OVERHEAD DOORS.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COMPONENTS IN A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT.

RIGHT. BUT BOTTOM LINE IS EVERYTHING HAS JUST GONE UP SO MUCH OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

IT IS. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY I'D, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY WERE USING AT THE TIME, IT COST IS JUST ESCALATING AND IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

IT'S ALMOST IN EVERY AREA.

HAVE YOU WORKED WITH IED BEFORE? OH, ABSOLUTELY. YES, MANY TIMES.

DO MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE AWARDED, DO THEY USUALLY COME IN ON BUDGET OR DO YOU NORMALLY SEE THAT THEY'RE HIGHER? WHEN YOU WORK WITH IED? BUT I KNOW IED IS STRUGGLED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR BUDGETS VERSUS AND PART OF IT IS THEY'RE DOING IT EARLY.

RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A YEAR OR SO AGO.

THAT'S RIGHT. THE THINGS CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN THE LAST YEAR.

SO BUT I CAN SEE WHERE WE HAVE A HARD TIME.

PEOPLE COME TO US AND WANT A BUDGET NUMBER.

WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND CALL SUPPLIERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S A IT'S A VERY MUCH A MOVING TARGET RIGHT NOW.

THEN YOU'VE DONE BUSINESS IN ANGLETON BEFORE? OH, ABSOLUTELY. YES. WE'VE DONE SEVERAL BUILDINGS, SEVERAL PROJECTS IN THIS AREA.

WOULD, WOULD COUNCIL OR ANYBODY HERE JUST HUMOR ME AND LET ME KNOW WHERE THIS, THIS ESTIMATED BUDGETARY SUM OF WAS IT $550,000 CAME FROM THAT WAS IED? YES. OKAY. SO THE ARCHITECT PROPOSED THAT AMOUNT? YES. AT WHAT TIME? IT'S A YEAR. WE NEED THE BUDGET.

COME IN. YES.

HIS ESTIMATE CAME IN ROUGHLY FOUR MONTHS AGO.

THREE AND A HALF. FOUR MONTHS AGO.

ONE THING THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.

IF YOU IF YOU ALL RECALL THE QUESTION, WAS THE RETENTION.

WE WERE WE WERE WONDERING IF WE NEEDED TO DO THE RETENTION POND AND EVERYTHING GOING TO BRUSHY BAYOU AFTER WE REVIEWED EVERYTHING AND GOT WITH DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND ALL OF THAT.

YES, WE HAD TO DO RETENTION.

SO THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.

HOWEVER, THAT WAS ONLY, I THINK 50 OR 60,000 EXTRA DOLLARS THAT ADDED TO THAT, THAT PRICE.

SO THAT WASN'T THE FULL THING, BUT IT DID ADD TO IT.

COUNCIL. I'M STILL FOR THE IDEA OF ECHOING THE MAYOR'S AS WELL AS.

MR. BOOTS, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THIS ASIDE.

I KNOW THERE'S TAKE THE RISK OF RISING COSTS.

HOWEVER, THAT IT MAKES ME CONCERNED ABOUT THE OPERATION CENTER AND THE COST THAT WILL HAVE TO BE EXPANDED AND USED ON THAT ALSO ESCALATING.

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AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD, IF WE STILL PRIORITIZE THAT WHICH IS.

SOUND SO FAR LIKE WE DO, THEN WE SHOULD ESSENTIALLY TABLE THIS UNTIL THAT MATTER IS ADDRESSED AND.

EVERYTHING IS DONE AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS.

WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON COMING UP WITH WITH A LIST, REVIEW THE PRIORITY ON THESE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT.

STEP ONE. WHAT? STEP TWO.

WHAT? STEP THREE. IT SEEMS LIKE STEP ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED OR PRIORITY ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED, BUT WHAT THE NEXT ONES ARE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T LIKE THE NUMBERS, I DEFINITELY DON'T.

I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH BUYING NEW EQUIPMENT, LEAVING STUFF, SITTING OUTSIDE.

SO I THINK THE MOTION WOULD BE TO REJECT ALL THE BIDS.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT IT'S SOUNDING LIKE.

YES. SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO REJECT THE BIDS AS THEY SIT.

IF THEY MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE BIDS, DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK OUT AND REBID? YES. ALL OF THAT? YES. SO THEN CAN WE TABLE IT AND COME BACK TO IT? NO. I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU REJECT ALL OF THE BIDS BECAUSE IF YOU TABLE IT, I MEAN, THE BID COSTS ARE GOING TO CHANGE.

OKAY. WELL WE. WELL WE'VE ONLY WE'VE ONLY GOT TWO OPTIONS.

WE CAN EITHER TABLE IT. AND I JUST MADE A MOTION TO REJECT IT.

AND EVERYBODY LOOKED AT ME LIKE I WAS CRAZY.

CRAZY. NO NO NO, I JUST CAN'T MAKE I CAN'T SECOND YOU.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CRAZY.

I JUST WANT TO HEAR HER LEGAL OPINION.

IT'S NO. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD ARE THE BIDS FOR HOW LONG ARE THE BIDS GOOD FOR? WELL, WE'VE GOT A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION SO WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF.

GOT IT. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTEN, A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH TO REJECT ALL BIDS.

WE HAVE 90 DAYS TO.

SO THE 90 DAYS IS BASED ON THE.

THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S DEADLINE.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S THE 90 DAYS THAT IT'S COMING FROM THE PEOPLE THAT PRESENTED THE BIDS.

CORRECT. THE STATUTE SAYS THAT YOU, WITHIN 45 DAYS, HAVE TO OPEN THE BIDS AND SCORE THEM.

YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. CORRECT.

SO I'M NOT AWARE OF ANOTHER DEADLINE BY WHICH YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE THE CONTRACTOR PURSUANT TO THE GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 2269.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER 12TH, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATES OF WHEN EVERYTHING WAS OPEN AND WHEN IT WAS CONSIDERED, BUT I'M THINKING WE'RE STILL WITHIN THE 45 DAYS.

BUT I THINK BECAUSE I'M HEARING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU DID IT, HOW IT WAS SCORED, WHAT THE REQUEST FOR BIDS SAYS, YOU MAY WANT TO DECIDE TO JUST REJECT THEM ALL AND DO IT AGAIN. I BELIEVE OCTOBER 16TH IS WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE.

THANKS. YEAH.

THERE'S BOUND TO BE.

THERE'S BOUND TO BE INFORMATION IN THE BID TO TELL THE CONTRACTOR.

HE HE HAS TO HOLD HIS BID UP TO A CERTAIN DATE.

YOU CAN'T JUST EXPECT THE CONTRACTOR TO HOLD HIS BID FOR AD INFINITUM.

RIGHT. SO THERE'S A DATE.

THERE'S A THERE'S A CUTOFF DATE.

HE CAN SAY, UNCLE, WE'RE WALKING AWAY FROM THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T.

YOU HAVEN'T WATERED THE CONTRACT BECAUSE ALL OF HIS PRICES ARE GOING UP DAILY.

YEAH. 90 DAYS IS JUST.

IT'S HARD TO FIND A CONTRACTOR TO DO 90 DAYS.

WHAT? I'M. WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

AND THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTIONS WAS, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE THE BIDS ON THE OPERATION CENTER? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO.

ARE WE NOT THERE YET? NO, NO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HIRE THE CMRR HOPEFULLY IN DECEMBER.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE FINAL DESIGN, WHICH YOU ALL WILL APPROVE, AND THEN IT'LL GO OUT FOR BID, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE TO PROVE.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE A COUPLE MONTHS FROM GETTING SOME KIND OF NUMBER.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO EXCEED THE 90 DAYS, I PROMISE YOU THAT.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING WITH IT.

ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON, ON THE FLOOR.

SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

JIM. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL SHOWING UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM NUMBER 12 PRESENTATION BY REPRESENTATIVE PERDUE, BRANDON FIELDER COLLINS, AND MOTT LLP ON THEIR COLLECTION OF DELINQUENT TAXES AND UTILITY BILLS FOR THE CITY.

[12. Presentation by representative Perdue Brandon Fielder Collins & Mott LLP on their collection of delinquent taxes and utility bills for the City. ]

HI, MIKE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL.

GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY.

BEFORE I GO INTO MY REPORT, LET ME JUST INTRODUCE SOMEBODY I BROUGHT WITH ME.

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HAYDEN BARTLEY, HE'S A NEW LAWYER WITH MY FIRM AND HAS THE PLEASURE OF RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTY WITH ME, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT I DO.

I HAVEN'T REALLY TOLD PEOPLE WHAT I DO, SO WE'RE LEARNING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN YOU ALL KNOW GEORGE BROWN HERE.

MR.. WE'RE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR COLLECTION ACTIVITY FOR YOU.

IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR, AND SO I'VE GOT PROPERTY TAXES, COURT FILING FEES AND UTILITIES TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON.

AND SO I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.

SO WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE DELINQUENT TAX SIDE, $231,000 OF UNPAID TAXES FOR ALL YEARS THROUGH 2022.

FYI TAX OFFICE JUST MAILED OUT TO 2023 BILLS WITHIN THE LAST WEEK, SO YOU PROBABLY GOT THAT IN THE MAIL.

DID YOU ALL NEED TO PAY? SO MY REPORT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 2023.

IT'S 2022 AND PRIOR.

THE COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS ON OUR FIRST GRAPHIC FOR YOU.

YOU'LL NOTE THAT $80,000 OF THE MONEY THAT'S OWED IS IN DEFERRED.

AND ALL THOSE ACCOUNTS INVOLVE PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY GOT THE DEFERRAL WAY BACK, IN SOME CASES AS FAR BACK AS 2005, CONTINUE IN THAT IN THAT DEFERRAL ACTIVITY.

WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION TO COLLECT THOSE DELINQUENT TAXES.

SO RIGHT AWAY THAT CHOPS OFF A GOOD PORTION OF THE COLLECTION ROLL.

AND SO LET ME GET OUT A COUPLE OF WORDS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO DO SOME WORK FOR YOU IN OUR ACTION PENDING.

WE'VE GOT OUR LARGEST ACCOUNT.

IT'S NOT IN A LAWSUIT OR DEFERRAL.

OWES US $4,000 FOR 2022 ONLY.

WE HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM THEM TO PAY.

IF THEY DON'T PAY, WE'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO FILE A LAWSUIT.

AND THEN I'LL POINT OUT IN OUR PART, PAY, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST ACCOUNTS IN THE TOP TEN, OWES US $5,100.

BUT THEY HAVE A FORMAL PAYMENT AGREEMENT, AND WE MONITOR THAT MONTHLY TO MAKE SURE THEY MAKE THEIR PAYMENTS.

AND THEN OUR LITIGATION, THE LAST LARGE CATEGORY FOR YOU, WE'VE GOT 15% OF THE ROLL, AS YOU MAY RECALL FROM PRIOR PRESENTATIONS, WE GO TO COURT ABOUT FIVE TIMES A YEAR TO THE DISTRICT COURT TO HAVE OUR CASES HEARD ON ACCOUNTS THAT WE'VE HAD TO FILE LAWSUITS ON.

OUR LAST DOCKET WAS IN SEPTEMBER.

OUR NEXT DOCKET IS EARLY DECEMBER.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHEN THEY GET THAT NOTICE, COME IN AND PAY, AND IF THEY DON'T, WE HAVE TO POST PROPERTY FOR SALE.

AND YOU MAY NOTE, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT GET OUR OUR WEB UPDATES ON TAX SALES, WHICH COMES OUT BASICALLY EVERY FRIDAY IN NOVEMBER, JUST LAST WEEK WE HAD TAX SALES IN THE COUNTY.

FORTUNATELY, NONE INVOLVED CITY PROPERTY, BUT EVERYTHING WE PUT UP BASICALLY GOT SOLD OR GOT PAID BEFOREHAND.

AND THEN IN DECEMBER, WE JUST POSTED THE PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE GOING UP FOR SALE IN DECEMBER.

AND AGAIN, I SAY, FORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE ANY IN THE CITY THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR THAT SALE.

WE DO HAVE SEVERAL CASES ON OUR DOCKET IN DECEMBER THAT IF THEY DON'T GET PAID, WE'LL BE ON A FUTURE SALE IN THE SPRING OF 2024.

BUT BY AND LARGE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET MOST PEOPLE TO PAY EVENTUALLY WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT THE SALE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING FOR.

SKIPPING ON. I'LL SKIP THE SECOND DONUT AND GO TO THE THIRD ONE, WHICH GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN BY TAX YEAR.

YOU CAN SEE ALMOST HALF OF THE MONEY THAT'S OWED INVOLVES 2022, WHICH WE STARTED WORKING ON JULY 1ST OF 2023.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE FOR THE 21 YEAR ANOTHER 13% OF THE ROLL.

SO ROUGHLY 60% OF WHAT'S OWED TO YOU.

AND THIS IS OF THE WHOLE $231,000 OR BOTH 21 AND 22 TAX, SO EMINENTLY MORE COLLECTIBLE, THE NEWER THAT IT IS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST COLUMN, WHICH IS 2015 AND PRIOR, YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT'S WITH THAT MONEY? A GOOD PORTION OF THAT INVOLVES PEOPLE THAT ARE IN DEFERRALS.

AND SO THAT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF OF THE MONEY THAT'S OWED, HOW IT'S SPREAD OUT BY YEAR.

AND THEN I'VE GIVEN YOU A YEAR BY YEAR COLLECTION HISTORY FOR 2017 FORWARD.

I CAN GO TO ANY ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU WANT.

BUT IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME, LET ME TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 2021 CYCLE, WHICH LAST JULY WE STARTED WITH 150,000.

THAT WAS UNPAID. THAT'S JULY OF 2022.

WHEN WE ENDED JUNE 30TH, 2023, WE COLLECTED ALMOST 76% OF THAT.

AND THEN THROUGH OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, WE'RE OVER 81% COLLECTED OF THAT 150.

AND WE PUT IT ALL INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU.

YOU ALL COLLECTED ROUGHLY 97, 98% OF YOUR CURRENT TAXES EVERY YEAR.

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SO WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH THE LAST COUPLE OF PERCENTILE.

AND THEN FOR 2022, WHICH WE BEGAN, AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT EARLIER, JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, THERE WAS $201,000 UNPAID, AND WE'VE COLLECTED JUST SHY OF 50% OF THAT THROUGH OCTOBER.

WE'RE ON TRACK FOR A GOOD COLLECTION CYCLE THERE.

SO WITH REGARD TO OUR TAXES, MAYOR, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

NOW WE'LL BE ON TO THE FILING FEE PORTION OF OUR REPORT.

I DO I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE TAX.

WE TALKED ABOUT IN BAD ADDRESS THE THAT 14,000 SITTING THERE.

DOES THAT IS THAT STUFF THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO END UP IN UNCOLLECTIBLE.

OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT YOU DO BELIEVE IT WILL GO INTO UNCOLLECTIBLE THE MAJORITY OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FEW ACCOUNTS THAT ARE 20, 22 ONLY WITH A BAD ADDRESS, BUT THE BULK OF THEM ARE SOME OLD BUSINESSES THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND, BUT THEY'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO BECOME UNCOLLECTIBLE. THE ODDS OF COLLECTION ARE MINIMAL AT THIS POINT.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OLD MOBILE HOME ACCOUNTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TRACK DOWN A GOOD ADDRESS.

BUT THERE AGAIN, THE ODDS ARE NOT IN OUR FAVOR.

WHAT IS WHAT IS DEEMED UNCOLLECTIBLE? HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU GO BEFORE YOU DEEM THAT SO? BY LAW, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AT LEAST TEN YEARS ON PERSONAL BOOKS.

FOUR YEARS BECOMES UNCOLLECTIBLE TEN YEARS.

YOU GOT TO TAKE IT OFF ON PERSONAL PROPERTY.

ON REAL PROPERTY, IT'S 20 YEARS.

SO THE BULK OF THE MONEY THAT'S IN UNCOLLECTIBLE WOULD BE BUSINESSES AND MOBILE HOMES THAT WERE HERE.

SO HOW SO? JUST WALKING THE COUNCIL THROUGH FROM THE TIME IT BECOMES PAST DUE ON AVERAGE, WHEN DOES IT GO TO SHARE SALE? SO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IT WAS 2022 ONLY.

I GOT IT IN JULY.

WE SENT OUT NOTICES IN JULY OVER 10,000 COUNTYWIDE.

IF WE DIDN'T GET ANY ACTIVITY ON IT, LET'S SAY IT WAS THE LARGER ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE AT 4 OR $5000.

WE'VE BEEN FILING SUITS SINCE SEPTEMBER.

SO SAY I FILED SUIT IN SEPTEMBER.

IF I GOT THEM SERVED IN OCTOBER, THE EARLIEST I COULD GO TO COURT WOULD BE DECEMBER.

THE EARLIEST I WOULD GO TO SALE IS PROBABLY MARCH.

SO GENERALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 6 TO 9 MONTH WINDOW.

FROM THE TIME WE FILE A SUIT TILL THE TIME WE HAVE THE TAX SALE, ASSUMING THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, BUMPS IN THE ROAD, I.E. MULTIPLE DEFENDANTS, AND I CAN'T FIND ONE OF THEM.

SURE. YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT GENERALLY THAT WOULD BE THE TIME FRAME.

WELL, IT'S QUICKER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS.

I TRY NOT TO WASTE MUCH TIME.

THE LAST QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU.

WELL, IT'S NOT THE LAST ONE.

GOT YOU ONE OF THEM IN DEFERRAL.

IT'S LARGELY SENIOR, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT TO US THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, THAT THAT PORTION IS REALLY SENIORS THAT ARE JUST DEFERRING THE TAXES TO SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO TAKE IT.

YES. THE.

ARE YOU SEEING AN INCREASE IN DEFERRALS? NOT REALLY.

BECAUSE. BECAUSE AS YOU SEE, SOME COME ON, SOME COME OFF.

SURE. SO I.

THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE GULF COAST AREA THAT I REPRESENT THAT HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF DEFERRALS THAN YOU HAVE.

OKAY, SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT'S DISPROPORTIONATE.

HOW DO YOU SAY THIS POLITELY AS A COMMUNITY AGES? IF YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IN NEWER PEOPLE, THEN YOUR REFERRALS CAN RISE AND IT CAN BECOME A LARGER PERCENTAGE OF YOUR DELINQUENT TAX ROLL.

OKAY. AND THEN LAST QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SEEING AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF COLLECTION.

DOLLARS. SO THOSE THAT ARE GOING PAST DUE, ARE YOU SEEING A HIGHER PORTION THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO GO AFTER THAN PRIOR YEARS? NO, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT.

OKAY. KNOW WE GET ONE WHAT I CALL BLUE BIRD.

SOMEBODY THAT JUST REALLY LARGE ACCOUNTS AND GOES DELINQUENT THAT DIDN'T IN A PRIOR YEAR, BUT ON AVERAGE FOR FOR THE CITY THAT GENERALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HIGHER ACCOUNTS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 5 AND 10,000 OR THE OR THE HIGH END.

THERE'S MANY MORE THAT ARE IN THE.

THOUSAND AND $2,500 RANGE THAT WE WORK ON COLLECTING FOR YOU.

OKAY. I DO HAVE ONE MORE.

SORRY, I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OUR DYNAMICS HERE IN THE CITY AND SOME SOME KIND OF THOUGHTS THAT WE'VE HAD THE HOME OWNERSHIP DEBATE WHERE YOU HAVE THE THE GUYS WHO

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ARE HOMEOWNERS VERSUS THE THE RENTERS OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

ARE WE SEEING A CHANGE IN THAT CYCLE TO WHERE MORE OF THIS IS CORPORATIONS AND LLCS? AND ARE YOU SEEING.

NO, NO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GO WITH THE IDEA OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE RENTAL.

YES. RENT TO OWN OR JUST RENTAL RENTAL COMMUNITIES.

RIGHT. AND I SORT OF WONDERED ABOUT THAT MYSELF, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN IMPACT ON THAT.

TO DATE. NO. RECOGNIZED THAT THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE ALL MORTGAGED TO THE HILT.

YES. AND SO IF THEY WERE TO GO DELINQUENT, THE LENDER WOULD STEP IN AND PAY.

IT WOULD JUST BE A QUESTION OF TIMING OF, OF, OF WHEN THEY WOULD STEP IN.

SO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT MY OTHER CONCERN JUST AND IT REALLY WON'T IMPACT THE CITY IS SOLAR FARMS. I HAVE A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THAT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT.

I MAY BE RETIRED BY THEN.

THANKS, MIKE. SO, JOHN, A QUICK LOOK AT OUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS.

THEY REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

NOW THAT'S WHETHER IT'S EVERYONE THAT IS ELIGIBLE APPLIES I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, BUT.

THAT'S TRUE. AND ON ON THAT POINT, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH DELINQUENT TAXPAYERS, WE'RE PART OF OUR TALK TO THEM ABOUT NEEDING TO PAY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING ALL THE EXEMPTIONS THEY'RE ENTITLED TO BY LAW.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE ENTITLED TO A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED.

WE URGE THEM GO APPLY.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU? RIGHT.

SO LET ME GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON FINES AND FEES.

I'VE GIVEN YOU A SUMMARY OF HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY HAS TURNED OVER TO US.

HISTORICALLY, A LITTLE OVER $9 MILLION.

WE HAVE COLLECTED IN CASH AND NON AND NON CASH.

OVER 7 MILLION OF THAT.

WE'VE RESOLVED OVER 80% OF THE DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO US.

YOU CAN SEE WE'VE MAILED OVER 70,000 NOTICES, CORRECTED OVER 10,000 ADDRESSES AND HAD THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PHONE CONTACTS.

THE KEY IN THIS AND I ALWAYS LOOK TO THE WELL, HE'S NOT HERE.

THE POLICE IS IS TO SAY THE TRICK IN THE COURT FINE AND FEE AREA IS FINDING THE PERSON AND THE MAPS THAT I PROVIDE YOU.

ESPECIALLY THE THIRD MAP, WHICH IS A MAP OF THE UNITED STATES, IS ILLUSTRATIVE OF THE CHALLENGE IN THE COLLECTION OF THIS DEBT.

AND THAT IS, YOU CAN SEE EVERYWHERE THERE IS A PIN ON THE ALL ACCOUNTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE CITY OF ANGLETON, BEEN STOPPED, GOTTEN A TICKET AND STILL OWE YOU MONEY.

AND SO THE CHALLENGE IS TO TRY TO GET THEM INTO THE COURT AND LET THE COURT DEAL WITH THEM IN GETTING THEIR ACCOUNTS RESOLVED.

IN SPITE OF THAT, I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY FANTASTIC JOB FOR YOU IN TERMS OF THE CASH THAT WE'VE COLLECTED IN THE COURT'S DECISIONS ON ACCOUNTS TO ADJUST HAVING AN OVERALL AGGREGATE RESOLUTION RATE OF 80%, I'LL STACK UP AGAINST ANYBODY.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PROGRAM, EVEN WITH THE CHALLENGES OF TRYING TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE.

LAST YEAR, I TOLD YOU, I THINK THAT WE WERE CLOSE.

I PULLED OUT MY PHONE AND TALKED ABOUT TEXTING AND.

WE'RE BOY, YOU TALK ABOUT CHALLENGES IN DEALING WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND CHANGES IN TEXTING AND WHAT PRIVATE ENTITIES CAN DO VERSUS WHAT THE CITY ITSELF CAN DO IN TERMS OF TEXTING PEOPLE THAT OWE YOU ABOUT HEARINGS.

WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH A MYRIAD OF CHALLENGES AND COMPANIES THAT COULD DO IT, AND THEY COULDN'T DO IT.

SO WE'RE ABOUT TO GO LIVE IN OUR TOLLING ENVIRONMENT, IN TEXTING, AND WHEN WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT, IT'S GOING TO COME INTO OUR FILING FEE ENVIRONMENT.

SO NOW I'M LOOKING AT FIRST QUARTER OF 24 HOPEFULLY BE LIVE IN TEXTING PEOPLE THAT OWE US MONEY, URGING THEM TO CONTACT THE COURT.

BECAUSE THE REALITY IS A LETTER IS A LETTER IS A LETTER AND EVERYBODY GETS A LETTER.

THERE'S MONEY AND YOU KNOW WHERE IT GOES.

SO HOW DO I REACH THE PEOPLE IN? TEXTING AND EMAILING IS THE WAY TO GO.

WE'RE ALREADY EMAILING.

SO WHEN AN OFFICER STOPS SOMEBODY AND THEY GET AN EMAIL ADDRESS, A BETTER CHANCE THAT EMAIL ADDRESS IS ACCURATE VERSUS THE ADDRESS ON THE DRIVER'S LICENSE.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING THESE DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMMUNICATE AND REACH PEOPLE.

AND TEXTING IS THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT FOR US.

WOW. SO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FINAL PART OF MY UPDATE? IF NOT, I'LL GO TO THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS.

IN TERMS OF DIFFICULTY, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU A YEAR AGO, IS CLEARLY THAT WHICH IS THE COLLECTION OF YOUR UTILITY ACCOUNTS.

SO IT WORKED VERY WELL WITH CHLOE AND PHIL IN GETTING FIGURED OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FOR YOU.

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IT'S TAKEN LONGER THAN I HAD HOPED, BUT WE FINALLY GOT NOTICES OUT IN THE MAIL.

SO WE SENT OUT 559 NOTICES BETWEEN LAST FRIDAY AND MONDAY TO PEOPLE THAT OWE YOU $285,000 THAT OWED YOU FROM THE 2020.

THEY THEY GO BACK TO 2020 OF WHAT THEY OWE YOU.

SO IT'S 2020, 2021 AND 2022.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY BAD DEBT YET FOR 2023.

COUNCIL WILL RECALL WHEN YOU AWARDED THE CONTRACT, WE WANTED TO CREATE SOME LAG TIME TO LET YOU ALL WORK ON IT BEFORE WE WOULD ULTIMATELY GET IT. AND SO THE CHART THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WAS IN YOUR DATABASE AS OF A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

YOU CAN SEE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE YEAR 1995 THAT IT SKIPS UP TO 20 000 AND THEN COMES FORWARD EACH YEAR.

YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS, THE DOLLARS THEY REPRESENT AND THEN THE PERCENTAGE TO THE TOTAL.

AND THEN ON THE LEFT, WE'RE GIVING YOU A DOLLAR RANGE TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF BETWEEN 0 AND 24.

24 TO 50 AND SO ON.

THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS AND THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS THAT REPRESENT THE $1.3 MILLION THAT'S PAID.

I TOLD YOU A YEAR AGO, I SUGGESTED TO YOU, AND I WILL REITERATE TO YOU TONIGHT, THIS IS NOT THE MAJORITY.

THIS IS NOT COLLECTIVELY.

THERE IS NO HAMMER.

THERE IS NO REASON FOR SOME PEOPLE TO PAY OTHER THAN THEY KNOW THEY OWE IT, AND THEY NEED TO PAY IT.

AND WE'RE ABLE TO REACH THEM AND CONVINCE THEM THAT IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION TO PAY A DEBT, THAT THEY GOT THE SERVICE THEY NEED TO PAY.

AND SO WE'LL BE CURIOUS.

PHIL MENTIONED TO ME THAT CHLOE GOT HER FIRST CALL TODAY, SO AT LEAST SOMEBODY HAS LOOKED AT THE NOTICES THAT WE'VE SENT OUT.

AND PART OF THE REASON THAT IT TOOK SO LONG TO GET THIS OFF AND RUNNING IS THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE LAW IN JUNE, WHERE THEY MODIFIED WHAT'S CALLED A REG F.

IT'S A FEDERAL REGULATION BECAUSE THIS DEBT IS CONTROLLED BY THE FAIR DEBT COLLECTION ACT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN INFORMATION IN THE NOTICE, AND IT PRESENTS A SET OF RIGHTS TO THE PERSON THAT RECEIVES IT.

HE HAD TO DO A LETTER THAT IS UNLIKE ANY THAT WE DID BEFORE.

THE LITERAL FORMAT IS LAID OUT IN THE STATUTE OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM WHEN IT WAS THAT THEY INCURRED THE DEBT, WHETHER THEY HAD MADE ANY PAYMENTS BETWEEN THE TIME THEY INCURRED THE DEBT AND THE DATE THAT WE WERE SENDING THE NOTICE, AND THEN WHAT THE TOTAL THAT THEY OWED US, THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTEST THAT, AND THEN WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

IF THEY CONTESTED THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, WE HAVE TO REFER THEM TO THE FEDERAL LAWS DEALING WITH FAIR DEBT.

AND SO IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET IT DONE.

AND THEN THE LAST HURDLE WE HAD WAS THAT THE SOFTWARE THAT Y'ALL USE AND THAT A MAJORITY OF CITIES USE, WHICH IS IN CODE.

EVERYBODY BELIEVED THAT THEY HAD A MODULE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE COLLECTION PENALTY THAT YOU IMPOSED IN YOUR ORDINANCE TO BE ADDED TO THE TOTAL.

SURPRISE, SURPRISE SURPRISE.

NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT.

THEY HAVE BEEN ASKED REPEATEDLY BY US AND BY OTHER CUSTOMERS WHETHER THEY WILL BE THEY BEING TYLER WILL BE MODIFYING THEIR PRODUCT TO PROVIDE IT. AND THE ANSWER IS ONE WORD.

IT BEGINS WITH AN N AND YOU CAN GUESS THE ANSWER IS NO.

AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR MONTHS TRYING TO FILL, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND WORKING WITH CHLOE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT ADDED TO THE TOTAL.

IN SOME WAYS, I THINK I OUTSMARTED MYSELF BY HAVING THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN YOU CAN'T ADD IT EASILY.

BUT CHLOE HAS ACCESS TO OUR DATABASE WHERE WE'VE ADDED IT.

AND SO WE'RE YOU GUYS ARE SORT OF MY GUINEA PIG ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT ALL WORK.

IF WE GET SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO PAY US THE MONEY.

SO WE'RE OFF AND RUNNING.

AND IN 24, I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

AND AGAIN, I KEEP IN CONTACT WITH PHIL, CHRIS AND CHLOE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS AS WELL AS THE COLLECTION OF OUR DELINQUENT TAXES WHEN AN ISSUE COMES UP OR OUR COURT FIGHTING FEES. SO WITH THAT MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE DOING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

YEAH. I JUST MORE CURIOSITY.

QUESTION. SO A SECOND AGO YOU WERE DESCRIBING THE PROCESS ON THE THE NEW REGULATIONS THAT I GUESS, OR YOU SAID THAT GREG, GREG, IF THE IF YOU SEND THEM SOME SORT OF NOTICE, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTEST.

I THINK YOU USED WHO MEDIATES.

WELL IT'S NOT MEDIATE AS MUCH AS, AS IF THEY SEND IN IF THEY FILL OUT THE FORM ON THE NOTICE, IF THEY WANT TO DISPUTE IT, WE HAVE TO CREATE.

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I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT WE HAD TO CREATE A BOX, A LITTLE CHECK BOXES.

THEY CAN PICK WHETHER THEY WANT TO DISPUTE THE DEBT, WHY IT'S WRONG OR WHATEVER.

THEN THEN WE HAVE TO GET BACK WITH THE CITY AND GET PROOF OF WHY THEY INCURRED THAT DEBT.

SO THE CITY, THEY DON'T LIKE IT.

ULTIMATELY, THERE'S NOBODY TO MEDIATE PER SE.

THEY CAN GO FILE A COMPLAINT OR THEY CAN SUE US, OR THEY CAN SUE THE CITY TO CHALLENGE THE DEBT.

BUT THE ODDS OF THAT ARE VERY, VERY MINIMAL.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY OWE MONEY, THEY'RE NOT SPEND MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. NO, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

YOU GOT THE AUTHORITY TO TO DECIDE THAT ISSUE.

NOT. IT'S REALLY JUST SELF BETWEEN US AND THE THE CITY, US AND THE AND THE DEBTOR TO SHOW THE PROOF.

AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, KNOW THE OCCASIONALLY YOU YOU FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO CREATE A REVENUE STREAM BY SUING GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AND TRY TO CREATE A CLASS ACTION.

AND SO.

YOU KNOW. MOST PEOPLE DON'T TRY TO DO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SCENARIO.

THAT WOULD BE THE THING THAT YOU WOULD BE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THEY TRY TO SHOW.

WELL, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION, AND THUS THERE MUST BE OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED PEOPLE.

AND WE NEED TO STOP THIS INJUSTICE.

THAT KIND OF STUFF.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT SOME MONEY FOR YOU.

YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I WAS QUITE UP ABOUT THAT.

YOU WERE VERY VOCAL AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS, SO.

AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S JUST SCARY TO SEE HOW FAR BACK WE'RE GOING.

I MEAN. I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION MANY A TIMES SITTING UP HERE WHY WE DON'T WRITE OFF.

I THINK THAT'S JUST A POLICY DECISION FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE.

I KNOW SOME SOME OF THIS IS WE'RE TALKING 10% GOING IN 1995.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST.

BUT. IT'S PROBABLY DEFINITELY NOT COLLECTIBLE.

I KNOW IN MY PROFESSIONAL WORLD WE GET EXCITED WHEN WE COLLECT OVER 365.

I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW EXCITED YOU ARE GOING TO THROW A PARTY IF YOU CAN'T COLLECT ANYTHING FROM 1995.

ABSOLUTELY. I'LL FRAME THAT.

I MEAN, WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD AS CREATE A POLICY AND WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO SEE US DO BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE SENDING THEM ON A MISSION TO COLLECT.

AND WE MADE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE FOR PURPOSES OF OUR FIRST MAILING TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

RIGHT. IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO FURTHER BACK.

I TOTALLY AGREE.

COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. MIKE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIKE. THANK YOU.

THANKS, MIKE. ITEM NUMBER 13.

[13. Update, discussion and possible action on the solar placement and cost for the Investment Grade Audit contract with Schnieder Electric.]

UPDATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SOLAR PLACEMENT AND COST FOR THE INVESTMENT GRADE AUDIT CONTRACT WITH SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC.

CHIEF. COUNSEL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.

WELCOME, COUNCILMAN SARTON.

WE WERE HERE A MONTH AGO, AND WE WERE PRESENTING THE 60% DEVELOPMENT OF THE FACILITIES PROJECT.

I HAVE WITH ME BRIAN POTTINGER, YOUR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

YOU'VE SEEN HIM MANY TIMES. ALSO ONLINE.

I HAVE RYAN STOUT.

HE'S OUR SOLAR SPECIALIST.

SHOULD THERE BE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? OUR GOAL THIS EVENING IS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD FROM A MONTH AGO, AND THEN TO DEMONSTRATE AND SHARE WHERE WE ARE AND EXPLAIN THE FINANCIALS FOR YOU AND FOR COUNSEL TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER A NEW ALTERNATIVE.

WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR INTEREST IN THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO BALANCING THE CURRENT CITY NEEDS.

SO WITH THAT NEW OPTION, ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO.

AND WE'RE HERE AT THE END OF OUR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROJECT.

AND REALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS BACK TO YOU, WE HAD PRETTY WELL DEVELOPED EVERYTHING OUT AS BEST WE COULD.

WE PRICED EVERYTHING AS BEST WE COULD.

AND AFTER THE MEETING, WE WENT BACK AND SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR NEEDS AND THE PAYBACK AND THE ROI AND YOUR BORROWING

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CAPACITY, AND BROUGHT ALL THAT INTO INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO SHARE WITH YOU THE 90% DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

NO MORE DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR AFTER THIS.

AND AT THIS JUNCTURE, WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION AND AND THEN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONTRACT.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS EVENING IS WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THE 90% WITH YOU, WHAT THAT PROJECT MATRIX LOOKS LIKE.

SO WE GOT RID OF THE 14 MILLION ORIGINAL PROJECT THAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU, AND WE BROUGHT IT BACK DOWN TO THE.

OPTIMIZE PROJECTS AND THE MINIMUM PROJECT.

SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I WILL ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE PUT SOME PRINT OUTS IN FRONT OF YOU.

LARGE PRINT OUTS.

WE BROUGHT THOSE TO YOU BEFORE.

THE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN UPDATED SINCE WE'RE AT 90% NOW, BUT ALSO THAT WE HAVE NOT WALKED THROUGH ANY OF THOSE FINANCIALS WITH YOU.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH QUESTIONS AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE'VE JUST TABLED AND THEN COME BACK.

SO WITH THE SPREADSHEETS THAT ARE THERE, I THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO LOOK AT HOW WE PUT THE PROJECTS TOGETHER AND THEN ALSO TO LOOK AT WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE FOR THE CITY AND WHAT THE LOST OPPORTUNITY IS ON ON THOSE PROJECTS.

A QUICK QUESTION.

SURE. IS THIS WHAT WE GOT YESTERDAY AT 330? YES, YES. IT'S JUST BLOWN UP.

SO THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.

WE GOT I GOT EMAIL AT 330 YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WITH THIS STUFF IN HERE, WHICH WASN'T IN THE BOARD PACKET.

THAT WAS ROB RECEIVED ON FRIDAY.

SO 27 HOURS IS WHAT I'VE HAD THIS AND I'VE BEEN ASLEEP FOR PART OF THAT TIME.

AND WE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND IT FRIDAY.

AND YOU WERE, I THINK COURTHOUSE.

THE COURTHOUSE WAS CLOSED.

I COULDN'T GET THAT TO YOU.

I DID SEND IT ON FRIDAY, BUT THEY DON'T WORK IN THE COURTHOUSE.

MY EMAIL IS OPEN ALL THE TIME, SO.

OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN WE DID SEND IT FRIDAY TO YOU FRIDAY AFTERNOON IT WAS ABOUT 5:17 P.M.

I RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY AT 330.

OKAY. I'M JUST LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW.

OKAY, GREAT. I'VE HAD 27 HOURS, PROBABLY MAX BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED TONIGHT.

SO WHEN I'M IGNORANT ABOUT YOUR NUMBERS, THAT'S WHY I'M IGNORANT ABOUT YOUR NUMBERS.

WELL, NO WORRIES ON THAT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TO MAKE A BIG DECISION.

THERE IS WORRIES ABOUT THAT.

YES, SIR, I UNDERSTAND.

AND ALSO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS EVENING IS IF WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE STILL IN QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH AND TALK WITH YOU AGAIN AND ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

SO FAIR ENOUGH.

ALL RIGHT. SO BRIAN'S GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE 90% MATRIX JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FINAL PROJECTS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I NEED YOU TO ADVANCE THE SLIDE.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

SO THIS LOOKS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.

AND THE DIFFERENCE NOW AT 90% IS KIND OF WE'VE GOT THE DIFFERENT SCOPES OF WORK GOING DOWN THE ROAD AND THE DIFFERENT SITES GOING UP THE COLUMNS.

THE ONES THAT ARE IN GREEN ARE THE ONES THAT WE'VE KIND OF DEVELOPED ALL FULLY OUT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE GOT PRICING THAT WE CAN GO TO CONTRACT WITH THE CITY FOR, FOR EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. THE RED ARE THINGS THAT KIND OF FELL OFF TO THE WAYSIDE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AND OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE ON THOSE BLOWN UP SPREADSHEETS, THE LARGEST PROJECT, WHICH IS ABOUT SIX AND ONE HALF MILLION, IS ALL OF THOSE GREEN BLOCKS. AND THEN THE SMALLER PROJECTS ARE SUBSETS OF THOSE GREEN THINGS BASED ON DIFFERENT ECONOMICS.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND WE GOT TO THAT TO THOSE DATES THAT ARE ON YOUR SLIDE.

SO THOSE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE.

SO THIS IS KIND OF A LIST OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD.

SO I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE THE ANSWERS PRINT OUT THERE, BUT WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM QUICKLY.

THE SITE SELECTIONS ARE BASICALLY BASED ON THE SITES OR THE BUILDINGS THAT HAD THE LARGEST CONSTANT USAGE OF POWER, WHICH IS THE BEST APPLICATION FOR THE SOLAR.

AND THAT WAS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE REC CENTER AND THE POLICE STATION BEING ADJACENT TO THE REC CENTER, AS WELL AS THE 24 HOUR FACILITY, MADE A GOOD PAIRING WITH THE REC CENTER AS WELL.

SO THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED ON THOSE THREE SITES.

THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE CITY HAVE SMALLER BILLS OR NOT CONSTANT LOADING, SO THEY WEREN'T REALLY THE BEST THREE CANDIDATES FOR THE SOLAR. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARRIVED AT THOSE THREE SITES.

AS FAR AS CARPORT GOES, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.

THE NEXT TWO QUESTIONS KIND OF ADDRESSED THAT FROM THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

SO WE LOOKED AT RELOCATING THE ARRAYS THAT WE HAD AT THE CARPORT, AT THE REC CENTER AND THE POLICE STATION TO THE DETENTION POND.

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AND AN ISSUE WITH THAT, JUST KIND OF A COUPLE ISSUES WITH THAT.

ONE IS THE DISTANCE OF THAT WOULD BE LONGER OR FURTHER AWAY FROM THE POINT OF CONNECTION BEHIND THE REC CENTER.

AND THE FURTHER YOU GO FROM THE POINT OF CONNECTION, THE MORE COST THERE IS BUILT IN GETTING THE POWER BACK INTO THE GRID.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING WAS THAT DETENTION POND REQUIRES MAINTENANCE, CUTTING THE GRASS AND THE WEEDS IN THERE, AS WELL AS IF WE WERE TO PUT A TRACKING SYSTEM IN FOR THE SOLAR ARRAYS.

EVEN IF IT WAS ELEVATED ABOVE FLOOD LINE, IT WOULD STILL BE PRONE TO CATCHING DEBRIS WHENEVER THAT AREA FLOODS AND THEN DRAINS.

SO IT WOULD KIND OF BE A HEADACHE TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA FOR ME.

MANAGERS FOR GAMING SYSTEMS. SO THAT'S WHY I LOOKED AT THE CARPORTS FOR THESE AREAS, AND WE RAN THE NUMBERS BASED ON A DOLLAR PER WATT BASIS.

AND WE HAVE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AS A GROUND MOUNTED CASE FOR COST PER WATT.

WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE COST PER WATT FOR POLICE STATION, THAT'S A CARPORT.

IT'S ABOUT 15% MORE EXPENSIVE ON A PER LOT BASIS THEN COMPARED TO THE REC CENTER.

IT'S ABOUT 50% MORE ON A PER WATT BASIS THAN THE GROUND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE PARKING LOT IS IN FRONT OF THE REC CENTER.

BUT THE POINT OF CONNECTION IS THE BACK KIND OF BEHIND POOL.

SO THERE'S A MUCH LONGER RUN TO GET TO THAT POINT OF CONNECTION.

SO SOME OF THE INCREASED COST PER WATT AT THE REC CENTER IS DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE ARRAY IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE ARRAY IS A CARPORT VERSUS A GROUND SYSTEM.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SIGHTING? THE TYPE OF. THIS QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE.

INFLATION REDUCTION ACT CREDIT.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE CALCULATED THAT AT ABOUT 40% OF THE COST OF THE ARRAYS, WE'VE GOT AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT THAT WE'VE RUN OUR COST WITH OR THROUGH AND TO VALIDATE THAT AMOUNT.

AND SO THE NUMBER THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE CASH FLOWS AND ON JUST THE COST AND SAVINGS TABLES HAS BEEN VETTED BY A THIRD PARTY THERE, AND THAT'S 30% IS KIND OF THE BASE RATE.

AND THEN THE EXTRA 10%, BECAUSE THIS IS DESIGNATED AS AN ENERGY COMPANY.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT? SURE. WHO IS YOUR CONSULTANT? RYAN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YEAH, IT'S A CONSULTING FIRM.

A LEGAL FIRM CALLED NOVOGRADAC.

WE COULD GET YOU THEIR INFORMATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. AND WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF APPLYING FOR THE TAX CREDIT.

WE ARE. WE WORK WITH THE CITY.

WE KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A GRANT WRITER.

YOU'VE GOT FOLKS LOOKING FOR THEM.

BUT WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO POPULATE THE DOCUMENTS, MAKE THE DEADLINES, AND THAT INFORMATION HAS TO GO IN BEFORE THE ARRAY BEGINS SO THAT YOU HAVE A RESERVATION, BASICALLY.

AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOU TO POPULATE ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS, GET THOSE DOCUMENTS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND THEN WORK WITH YOU AS A CORRESPONDENCE COMING BACK.

SO WE WOULD BE YOUR PARTNER ON THAT, AND IT'S YOUR DESIGNATING WHO WE WOULD WORK WITH ON THAT.

AND LIKELY THAT MAY BE THE FINANCE OFFICE.

SO WE'RE HERE AT THE TAX CREDITS.

SO NOW. AND HOW DO WE BE SURE OF THE NUMBER WHICH WE JUST KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THERE? OH YEAH. SO NEXT, NEXT COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WERE ON THE WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT TXU WOULD BUY BACK ANY EXCESS POWER THAT WAS GENERATED.

THE GENERATION WAS HIGHER THAN WHAT WAS NEEDED BY THE BUILDINGS.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH TXU SINCE THE LAST MEETING.

WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO GET ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES TO BE AT THE MEETING TONIGHT, OR EVEN ON THE ZOOM, BUT THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE TO DO THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

AND WE'VE KIND OF RUN THROUGH AND HAD THEM VET OUR CALCULATION SHEET FOR HOW WE CALCULATED THE WHAT THE BUYBACK WOULD HAVE BEEN IF WE WOULD USE OUR MODEL SOLAR OUTPUT VERSUS 2022 BUILDING USAGES, AND THEN TAKE THE EXCESS AS A RESULT OF THAT ANALYSIS AND PUT IT TOWARDS THE 15 MINUTE PRICING FROM 2022 FOR FIVE X.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON GETTING US NEWER NUMBERS NOW THAT GO INTO 2023, BECAUSE OUR ANALYSIS WAS BASED ON CALENDAR YEAR 2022.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON UPDATING THOSE TO KIND OF GET ANOTHER CHECK BASED ON ANOTHER SET OF DATA FOR THE NEWER MONTHS, WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY A ROLLING YEAR FROM OCTOBER OF 22 TO OCTOBER 23RD.

CAN UPDATE OUR MODEL.

SO THE NEXT WAS THE COST OF OPERATING SELLAFIELD SITE.

COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND YOU WERE VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT.

SO, RYAN, WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT PLEASE? ON THE SOLAR ARRAYS ARE INSTALLED, WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE COST AND ONGOING COST FOR THAT?

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YEAH. SO INSURANCE COSTS ON AN ASSET LIKE THIS, WE HAVE NOT SEEN INSURANCE TYPICALLY GO UP.

IT FALLS UNDER THE EXISTING MUNICIPAL UMBRELLA THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE ON THE REST OF THE ASSETS.

OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.

THESE ARE CRYSTALLINE MODULES.

SO THEY'RE THE OLDEST, MOST SECURE TECHNOLOGY.

THEY ARE FIXED MOUNTED SYSTEMS. SO TYPICALLY THERE WILL BE ENOUGH RAIN IN YOUR AREA THAT WOULD CLEAN THESE PANELS.

SO THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE VERY LOW.

WE ALSO DESIGNED THESE WITH REDUNDANCY AND STRING INVERTERS SO NOT TO MAXIMIZE ANY ONE GIRDER OUT.

SO THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH DOWNTIME.

THEN IT'S A SMALL PORTION OF YOUR SYSTEM AND NOT THE WHOLE SYSTEM BEING BEING SHUT DOWN WHILE THINGS GET BACK UP.

WE ALSO INSTALL OR DESIGNED THESE OR ENGINEERED THESE WITH INVERTERS WHICH HAVE PROACTIVE TRACKING.

SO IF THERE IS A POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT THE SOFTWARE IS SEEING, IT AUTOMATICALLY SENDS OUT THE COMPONENTS TO FIX THAT TO THE CITY OR THE THE ELECTRICAL INSTALLER TO MINIMIZE THE DOWNTIME ON THE ON THESE SYSTEMS. SO COUNCILMAN DANIEL HAD ASKED RYAN REGARDING THE COST OF THE SOLAR ON CARPORT MOUNT VERSUS THE GROUND MOUNT, AND THAT WE ARE IN A HURRICANE ZONE AND THE COST WOULD BE A LOT HIGHER.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT DIFFERENCE? YEAH. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THE NON HURRICANE OR LIKE A STANDARD RACKING SYSTEM COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED FOR THIS LOCATION. IS THAT WHAT THAT WAS? COUNCILMAN DANIEL, WOULD THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

YES THAT'S A YES.

OKAY. SO THE SOLAR PANELS THEMSELVES HAVE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY RATED AT LIKE 133 TO 134 MILE AN HOUR WIND SPEED WITH A DIRECT WIND SPEED.

THE NICE THING ABOUT THE CARPORTS IN THESE LOCATIONS IS THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LOWER PANEL ANGLE, SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH DIRECT IMPACT ON THE PANELS.

SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY SEE PANELS BREAKING.

IT'S TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE HURRICANES CATEGORY FIVE AND ABOVE YOU SEE STRUCTURAL COMPLICATIONS THAT WITH SYSTEMS THAT HAVEN'T TAKEN THOSE INTO ACCOUNT.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR SYSTEM IS CREATED ONE THAT WILL WILL, YOU KNOW, OFFSET THE THE THE CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE THAT WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BE POTENTIALLY RUNNING INTO IN YOUR LOCATION.

THAT DOES CREATE A LARGER DELTA DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NON STRUCTURAL HURRICANE LIKE FOR RATING STRUCTURAL DESIGN TO A HURRICANE. FIVE. YEAH I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE LOCAL CODE I THINK IS ADEQUATE FOR THAT.

RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE.

USED AS OUR BASIS OF DESIGN FOR THE.

WHAT WAS ENGINEERED. THE DESIGN INTO OUR.

SUBCONTRACTORS. RIGHT.

WITH THE CODE CATEGORY FOUR I THINK THIS.

DID WE LOSE YOU, RYAN? I'M HAVING HARD TIME HEARING BRIAN.

I'M SORRY. HE WANTED TO KNOW.

WE VERIFIED THAT THE ANGLETON COMMUNITY IS IN A ZONE FOUR HURRICANE.

IT WOULD BE. CLASS FOUR HURRICANE.

THE CODE WOULD BE FOR THAT, BUT ALSO A GROUND MOUNT AND A CARPORT MOUNT WOULD BOTH HAVE TO BE IN THAT SAME ZONE FOR DESIGN. CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT ACTUALLY, IN AN ACTUAL REAL-LIFE HURRICANE, THE CARPORT STRUCTURES WITH THE LOWER ANGLED PANELS SEEM TO FARE ACTUALLY BETTER THAN YOUR GROUND MOUNT ACROSS ALL DESIGNS AND WHATNOT.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ENGINEERING THIS TO WITHSTAND THOSE, BUT IN THOSE CASES, IF YOU THINK OF THE PRACTICALITY OF IT, THE PANELS THEMSELVES, THEY'RE TEMPERED GLASS.

SO IF SOMETHING DOES HIT THEM, THERE'S MORE OF A POTENTIAL OF A BRANCH OR SOMETHING HITTING THE ARRAYS.

IN THAT CASE IT IS TEMPERED GLASS.

SO IT'S NOT SHARP GLASS THAT'S FALLING ON ANYONE.

IT'S JUST CRACKS THE GLASS THAT STILL STICKS TOGETHER.

SO IT DOES MAKE FOR LESS LESS DAMAGE UNDERNEATH THE ARRAYS AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND THEN I THINK THE LAST QUESTION WE HAD FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION WAS A DISCUSSION ON FOR THE SMALLER PROJECTS, THE COST PER MEASURE WENT UP, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME FIXED COSTS RELATIVE TO RECOUPING OUR DEVELOPMENT COSTS, AS WELL AS SOME FIXED COSTS.

WITH CONSTRUCTION, WE GET SPREAD OVER THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

SO AS THE PROJECT GETS SMALLER, THOSE COSTS ARE HIGHER FOR EACH OF THE MEASURES THAT ARE REMAINING IN THE PROJECT.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND BROUGHT THE ANSWERS THAT YOU NEEDED.

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I LIKE IT. I DO HAVE I DO HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS THOUGH, FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.

IT'S NOT INCLUDED WITH THE PRICING, BUT IT'S ABOUT TEN K A YEAR WITH THE AMOUNT OF ARRAYS THAT IS BEING PRESENTED.

INVERTERS NEED TO BE REPLACED EVERY 8 TO 10 YEARS AT A COST OF $200,000 OR MORE, DEPENDING.

AND THE ACTUAL PV SYSTEM LIFE IS REALLY ABOUT 20 YEARS, MAYBE 25 IF THEY'RE PREMIUM, NOT 30.

GRAHAM. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, I COULD ADDRESS THOSE.

SO THE CRYSTALLINE MODULES AGAIN, THOSE ARE DEVELOPED IN THE LATE 50S, EARLY SECONDS.

THOSE MODULES ARE STILL PRODUCING POWER TODAY, OBVIOUSLY AT A REDUCED PRODUCTION RATE.

BUT PANELS TODAY WITH 30 YEAR WARRANTIES, THEY ACTUALLY SHOW AND TEST THE POWER DEGRADATION IS LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF OR WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN OUR PROJECTIONS.

SO CRYSTAL MODULES ACTUALLY WILL LAST 40 TO 50 PLUS YEARS IN PRODUCTION.

AND WE'RE SEEING THAT ACTUALLY THE NEWER TECHNOLOGIES AND THE MANUFACTURING PROCESSES ARE ALLOWING THOSE TO HAVE LESS DEGRADATION YEAR OVER YEAR.

AND THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE PRODUCT, INVERTERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY TYPICALLY HAVE A 10 TO 12 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE INVERTER.

THE INVERTERS THESE DAYS ARE NOT SOLID OR ARE NOT TRANSFORMER BASED INVERTERS.

THEY'RE SOLID STATE TYPE INVERTERS.

SO INVERTERS, LIKE I WAS SAYING, THAT, HAVE THAT KIND OF PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PIECE BUILT IN.

IT'S TYPICALLY IF YOU HAVE AN INVERTER ISSUE, IT'S GOING TO BE A 3 TO $400 REPLACEMENT OF A CIRCUIT BOARD, AND NOT YOU'RE NOT TYPICALLY REPLACING THE WHOLE INVERTER ANYMORE.

AND WHAT WAS THE LAST ONE THE O&M COSTS.

YEAH. AGAIN, THESE ARE YEAH, THE O&M COSTS AGAIN, FOR A FIXED MOUNT SYSTEM THAT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE CLEANED.

THOSE ARE KIND OF ESTIMATED O&M COSTS, NOT NECESSARILY ONES THAT YOU'LL SPEND EVERY YEAR.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING MORE OF A KIND OF A BANK TO PUT TOWARDS THE ARRAY.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE FIRST YEARS UNDER WARRANTY.

AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR ISSUES POP UP THROUGH THE FIRST THERMAL CYCLES, THERMAL CYCLING OF THE ARRAY AND THE MODULES.

SO WE'LL BE COVERING THAT FIRST YEAR OF ANY POTENTIAL OFFSETS.

AND THEN AFTER THAT THE SYSTEMS AGAIN IT'S JUST ELECTRONIC FLOW.

THERE'S NO MOVING PARTS. SO WE FOUND THAT OVER THE YEARS THE O&M THAT WE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY QUITE LESS IN FIXED MOUNT SYSTEMS THAN WHAT WE EVEN PROJECT IN OUR NUMBERS. SO AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, WOULD IT NORMALLY JUST BE AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF THE SYSTEM, MAYBE TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ANY FILTERS FOR THE FANS AND THE INVERTERS OR.

THE TIGHTNESS OF THE LOGS, THAT KIND OF THING.

CORRECT. YEAH. JUST PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.

TYPICALLY GOING THROUGH DOING SOME CIRCUITRY TESTING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ARRAY IS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.

WE ALSO HAVE ON THIS MULTIPLE AMPS.

SO WE WILL BE TRACKING THE PRODUCTION NOT ONLY ON THE TOTAL ARRAYS THEMSELVES BUT ON THE EMPTY STRINGS AS WELL.

AND THE INVERTER SOFTWARE.

SO WE CAN DETECT IF THERE ARE ISSUES ON CERTAIN ARRAYS OR SAY A SQUIRREL GETS IN THERE AND CHOOSE A WIRE OR SOMETHING WHICH DOES HAPPEN, YOU KNOW IT WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THOSE ARRAY DEGRADATIONS AND LOWER PRODUCTION NUMBERS TO BE ABLE TO PINPOINT THAT.

SO REALLY, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN A STRING TYPE INVERTER SITUATION OR DESIGN, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE KNOWING THAT OUR CUSTOMERS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OR THE KNOWLEDGE OR THE DEEP POCKETS TO CONTINUE TO PAY A HIGH END COST.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN A DESIGN IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE THOSE O&M COSTS LOWER YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR OUR CUSTOMER.

AND I WILL SAY THAT OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS FOR THIS IS BASED ON A 20 YEAR LIFE CYCLE.

SO REALLY, ANYTHING THAT THE CITY WOULD GET OUT OF THAT SYSTEM AFTER YEAR 20 WOULD BE JUST KIND OF BONUS ACCORDING TO THE NUMBERS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES BASED ON THE 20 YEAR LIFE CYCLE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? COUNCILMAN. OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS ON JUST THIS PART? SO I HAD GONE BACK AND I LISTENED TO THE MEETING FROM THE LAST TIME, AND I WROTE EVERY QUESTION DOWN TO BE SURE THAT WE COVERED THOSE.

AND BUT THIS IS OPEN.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE QUESTIONS IF YOU STILL HAVE THOSE AND IF NOT.

I THINK WE PUT THIS TO BED AND WE JUST MOVE ON WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE PROJECT.

YES. OKAY.

YES. NEXT SLIDE.

THANK YOU. YES. I'VE GOT ONE.

ONE QUESTION. SO I'VE NOTICED ON SOME OF THE SOLAR PANELS ON THESE HOUSES, THEY GET A LOT OF POLLEN ON THEM WHICH IS GOING TO REDUCE YOUR WATTAGE OUTPUT.

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SO OR I KNOW YEARLY MAINTENANCE BUT ARE WE HAVING TO CLEAN THESE EVERY SO OFTEN.

SO I KNOW THAT WE HAD RYAN MENTIONED IT AND SO DID BRIAN THAT WE DO HAVE WE'RE IN A RAIN AREA.

WE DO GET RAIN AND THAT WASHES THOSE.

THERE IS SOME MAINTENANCE THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.

POLLEN IS AT MY HOUSE AT LEAST SIX WEEKS.

IT'S A MESS. BUT I KNOW THAT'S ALSO DURING APRIL.

IT'S USUALLY APRIL, MAY, JUNE AND SO WE HAVE RAIN TO WASH THAT DOWN.

IF IT NEEDS AN ADDITIONAL WASH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST WASHING IT OFF WITH THE HOSE.

BUT BRIAN, I'M NOT THE SPECIALIST, SO I'LL LET YOU I'LL DEFER TO YOU.

AND YOU COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.

DEBORAH. THE GROUND MOUNT ARRAY SPECIFICALLY THOSE ARE GOING TO BE AT A HIGHER ANGLE.

SO THE RAIN WILL WILL WASH THOSE OFF MUCH, MUCH FASTER AND BUILD OF ACCUMULATION OF DIRT.

THE THE CARPORTS, THEIR ADVANTAGES, THEY ARE HIGHER.

SO THEY'RE NOT CLOSE TO THE GROUND.

THEY ARE AT A LOWER ANGLE.

BUT WITH THE THE HEIGHT OF THE ARRAYS, YOU TEND TO GET LESS BUILDUP OF MATERIALS ON THOSE AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, IN AREAS, UNLESS YOU'RE IN A REGION OF VERY HEAVY AGRICULTURAL REGION THAT WOULD BE DRY DURING THE HARVEST SEASON, WHERE THAT STATIC ELECTRICITY ON THE PANEL SURFACES WOULD ACTUALLY CATCH THE DEBRIS AND THE DIRT, YOU KNOW, THE RAIN DOES TYPICALLY WASH THEM OFF.

AND AND AGAIN, IN YOUR GUYS'S AREA OUTSIDE THE HOUSTON AREA, THERE'S THERE'S ENOUGH RAIN TO KEEP THE PANELS CLEAN OUTSIDE OF ANY, YOU KNOW, STICKY TAR, YOU KNOW, TREES THAT CAN ALSO HELP, YOU KNOW, PANELS ACCUMULATE DIRT IF THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, TICKY STICKY PINE, PINE TREES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AROUND. ARE YOU ARE YOU DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF OF THIS DATA THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF AND OUR REGION? WE CAN GET. I MEAN, IT'S JUST MORE OF A GENERAL.

I'VE BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY NOW FOR 18 YEARS, SO IT'S JUST MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A GENERAL.

BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU INFORMATION MORE SPECIFIC TO, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR REGION AND SEE WHAT YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.

SO, SO SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.

MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION BACK TO THE MAYOR.

SO, MAYOR, WHAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION? WELL, WE'RE SPEAKING GENERALLY THIS AREA.

YES, WE'RE SPEAKING A LOT ON ON GENERAL MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE.

BUT DO WE HAVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES IN OUR IN REGIONS SUCH AS THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW I CAN TELL YOU, POLLEN DOESN'T JUST COME OFF IN A RAINSTORM.

YEAH. THIS THESE THESE THESE SOLAR PANELS AREN'T SPECIAL.

IF YOU'VE GOT A CAR THAT'S BEEN SITTING THROUGH FOR TWO YEARS, THE POLLEN IS GOING TO BE STUCK TO THE WINDSHIELD TO A POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY SCRAPE IT OFF THERE.

AND THIS THIS IS THIS IS AN AGRICULTURAL AREA.

THIS THIS IS AN AREA IN WHICH WE SEE LARGE AMOUNTS OF POLLEN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BEING, BEING IN A, IN A RURAL AREA, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH WATER WELLS THAT ARE SOLAR POWERED.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND THAT THESE PANELS HAVE TO BE CLEANED.

SIR. OKAY, WELL, IN THAT AREA WHERE THERE IS HIGHER POLLEN, THERE'S TWO BASICALLY TWO METHODS TO GOING AT IT.

AGAIN, JUST THE PREVENTATIVE CLEANING IN THOSE HIGH POLLEN TIME PERIODS.

ALSO THERE ARE COATINGS THAT WE CAN APPLY TO THE PANELS.

KIND OF THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT'S KIND OF LIKE A RAIN AX THAT WILL HELP STOP THE ACCUMULATION OF POLLEN OR DIRT STICKING TO THE PANEL.

SO THAT IS GOOD INFORMATION TO KNOW THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAYBE LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPTION AS WELL, OUTSIDE OF JUST THE ANNUAL.

OR MAYBE YOU GO TO A SEMIANNUAL CLEANING ON THIS, BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF POLLEN TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY BLOCK THE ARRAYS.

SO LIKE I SAID, WE'LL BE MONITORING THE ACTUAL STRINGS AND THE PRODUCTION OF THE INVERTER.

SO WE'D BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY IF THERE WERE POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE PRODUCTION OF THE MODULES AND HELP KIND OF LEAD YOU GUYS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR IF THERE ARE POTENTIAL ISSUES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'M CLEAR.

ANY MORE ON THAT? OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU.

RYAN. STAND BY PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT BOTH OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE BROUGHT YOU ARE NET POSITIVE.

JUST BREAKING IT DOWN AS TO HOW IT MIGHT LOOK FINANCIALLY.

IF YOU BORROWED THE 6.5 MILLION FOR YOUR FIRST PROJECT, THE ITC OR THE INVESTMENT TAX CREDIT WOULD BE 1.9 MILLION.

SO THAT IS A MONETIZED TAX CREDIT.

SO ONCE THE SOLAR PANELS ARE IN COMPLETE OPERATION.

SO AGAIN WE APPLY IN ADVANCE.

MAKE THE RESERVATION.

WE MAKE THE APPLICATION.

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WE HAVE IT IN FULL OPERATION.

AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT TO GET THE ITC.

AND THE ITC IS MONETIZABLE.

SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COME BACK IN CASH TO THE CITY.

SO TAKE THAT DEDUCTION OFF THE 6.5 MILLION.

THE ACTUAL PROJECT COST WOULD BE 4.6 MILLION.

THERE'S ALSO UTILITY REBATES.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO THERE'S INCENTIVES FROM THE UTILITY COMPANY.

AND IN THE LARGER PROJECT AT $69,000.

AND THEN THE SOLAR INCENTIVES, WHICH ALSO COMES FROM THE UTILITY IS $318,000.

SO YOU'RE $6.5 MILLION PROJECT IS NOW AT ABOUT 4.3 MILLION.

SO THAT TAX INCENTIVE, AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, IS MONEY THAT COMES BACK TO THE CITY.

SO IT'S NOT GONE.

THAT MAY BE YOUR ROAD MONEY, YOUR SIDEWALK MONEY, YOUR PARKS MONEY, YOUR SEWER MONEY THAT YOU CAN INVEST BACK INTO YOUR CITY BECAUSE IT IS CASH BACK TO THE CITY.

RIGHT. AND IF IT'S PART OF YOUR BOND, THEN MAYBE YOU UTILIZE THAT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF YOUR BOND DEBT.

SO THE NET PROJECT COSTS ARE 4.3 MILLION.

YOUR TOTAL SAVINGS OVER THE 20 YEARS OF OUR GUARANTEE IS 7.4 MILLION.

SO ON THE LARGER PROJECT, YOUR CASH FLOW OVER 20 YEARS PUTS YOU AT $3 MILLION POSITIVE CASH FLOW.

SO YOU HAVE A NET. POSITIVE PROJECT WITH THE LARGER PROJECT ON THE BASE PROJECT THAT'S WITHOUT THE SOLAR.

IF THE SOLAR JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S WHAT YOU WANT OR IT DOESN'T FIT, TODAY YOU WOULD BORROW THE 1.5 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.

STILL ADDRESSES THE FACILITY NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE.

YOU HAVE A ONE TIME REBATE.

THAT'S THE SAME REBATE FROM THE UTILITY, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME ONES WE HAD ALREADY IDENTIFIED AT 69,000.

SO THE ACTUAL PROJECT COST ON THAT'S A NINE AND ONE HALF.

SO THE TOTAL SAVINGS OVER THE 20 YEARS OF OUR GUARANTEE IS 2.1 MILLION, AGAIN, MAKING THE BASE PROJECT POSITIVE CASH FLOW OVER 20 YEARS AT $579,000. SO I'M SHOWING YOU THESE NUMBERS SIMPLY JUST TO SHOW YOU HOW THE CACHE WOULD WORK, HOW THE THE PAYMENTS AND THE COST OF THE PROJECT WOULD WORK.

RIGHT. AND I'LL READ THIS HERE.

IT SAYS THAT ABOVE INCLUDES A SOLAR BUYBACK REVENUE RATE FOR 2025 2024 OF 1.1 MILLION, AND ADDITIONAL TEN YEARS OF BUYBACK FOR ANOTHER $550,000.

SO THAT'S THE OVERPRODUCTION THAT WAS NOT UTILIZED IN THE FACILITY THAT THE SOLAR IS ATTACHED TO, THAT YOU CAN SELL BACK TO YOUR UTILITY, WHICH IS WHAT BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THEM ON WHAT THE COST OF THE UTILITY WOULD BE AT THAT TIME, THE BUYBACK.

SO FOR 1.7 MILLION TOTAL OVER A 30 YEAR LIFE OF THE ARRAY.

RYAN WAS ALSO JUST MENTIONING THAT WE'RE ON THE 20 YEAR GUARANTEE.

THE PANELS ARE 30 YEAR GUARANTEE.

AND HE CITED HE CITED ARRAYS THAT WERE FROM 60S AND 70S THAT ARE STILL IN PRODUCTION, LESS PRODUCTION THAN THEY WERE, OF COURSE, WHEN THEY WERE FIRST INSTALLED.

SO WE ANTICIPATE THOSE ARRAYS TO LAST MUCH LONGER.

YEAH, I THINK WE ASSUME A HALF PERCENT DEGRADATION EVERY YEAR.

IS THAT RIGHT, RYAN? IN THE PRODUCTION. GENERAL.

YES, YES.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING IN REAL WORLD NOW.

WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING ABOUT A QUARTER OF A PERCENT DEGRADATION PER YEAR.

BUT WE'RE STILL HOLDING THE HALF A PERCENT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO READY TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE CASH BENEFIT TO THE CITY THAT YOUR CASH POSITIVE ON THESE PROJECTS.

THERE'S A LOSS OPPORTUNITY JUST TO CONSIDER.

SO THE 2025 BUYBACK REVENUE FOR ENERGY SAVINGS AND O&M SAVINGS IS $136,000, RIGHT? THE 2031 BUYBACK REVENUE, ENERGY AND OPERATIONS SAVINGS IS $1.2 MILLION.

PART OF THE REASON WHY THAT IS SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE IS BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, BUT ALSO THE ENERGY SAVINGS IN 2031 ARE AGAINST A MUCH HIGHER UTILITY RATE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE CITY WOULD BE ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT FOR THEIR.

EXCUSE ME. SO REMEMBER, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE AT $0.04 A KILOWATT, AND IT'S ANTICIPATED.

IF YOU WERE TO BUY THAT TODAY, IT'D BE AT $0.08 A KILOWATT.

AND WE'VE ESTIMATED UTILIZING THE INFORMATION FROM YOUR UTILITY THAT IT'S ABOUT $0.13 A KILOWATT BY THE TIME WE GET TO 2030.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE BUYBACK NUMBERS ARE.

SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU THE LOST OPPORTUNITY SHOULD YOU NOT DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SOLAR PROJECT.

SO AGAIN, YOU COULD LEVERAGE THESE SAVINGS, THAT REVENUE TO DO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

THE ROADS, DRAINAGE, ANIMAL SHELTER WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

THE GUTTERS, THE PARKS AND CERTAINLY THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE HEARD BACK TONIGHT ON MORGAN STREET AND FIRE STATION THREE.

YES. SO ALSO THE RISK OF WAITING.

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WE HEARD EARLIER ON THE FIRE STATION THAT COSTS ARE GOING UP.

AND WE'VE HAD I HEARD 90 DAYS IS THE MAX THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO GUARANTEE THEIR PRICING.

WE'VE HAD OUR PRICING GOING ON HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE MOST OF THE SUMMER, AND OUR PRICING IS GOOD UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR, AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THE PRICING DOWN. BUT MOSTLY WHAT WE SEE THE INCREASED COST IN IS LABOR AND.

I DON'T HAVE A BAROMETER ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE LATER.

SO THE RISK OF DOING NOTHING NOW IS THE LOST REVENUE AND THE LOST OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ITC.

SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION ON THE SELLER.

THE BENEFITS OF THE SELLER TO THE CITY AND THE LOST OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY.

SHOULD YOU DECIDE NOT TO DO IT.

WE HAVE A LARGER PROJECT.

THE SMALLER PROJECT DIDN'T HAVE ANY SELLER IN IT AT ALL.

BUT NOW WORKING THROUGH THAT AND LOOKING AT WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE AND WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE HERE FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS THE OTHER CONCERNS AND NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE.

WE FOCUSED IN ON WHAT CAN WE DO, WHAT CAN WE PULL OUT, HOW DO WE MAKE THE ROI LOOK BETTER.

AND SO WE WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO WALK THROUGH WHAT THAT FINANCIAL ANALYSIS LOOKS LIKE SO THAT IT MAKES SENSE.

AND 27 HOURS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME.

SO WALK THROUGH THAT.

AT LEAST WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.

AND THEN YOU TAKE THE TIME THAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT AND FORMULATE YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS.

YEAH. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE BIG TABLE THAT WAS TOO SMALL THE FIRST TIME.

AND THEN THE SECOND TIME WE PUT IT ON 11 BY 17.

AND NOW THIS VERSION IS SIMILAR DATA TO WHAT YOU GOT A MONTH AGO.

BUT THESE ARE ALL OUR KIND OF OUR FINAL COSTS.

SO WHEN WE MET WITH YOU IN OCTOBER, THAT WAS KIND OF AT OUR 60% DEVELOPMENT POINT.

OUR COSTS WEREN'T REALLY FINALIZED.

THIS IS KIND OF LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, OUR FINALIZED COST THAT WE COULD GO TO CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER CHANGE ON THIS FROM A MONTH AGO IS WE'VE BROKEN OUT THE SOLAR INTO THE THREE INDIVIDUAL SITES.

LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IT WAS JUST ONE BIG NUMBER FOR ALL THREE.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ECONOMICS BETWEEN THE THREE SITES.

AND I SAID EARLIER, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS THE CHEAPEST PER WATT TO INSTALL, BUT BECAUSE THERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE OCCASIONAL OVERPRODUCTION AND SELLING THE POWER BACK, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE REC CENTER ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER OVERALL PAYBACK THAN THE WASTEWATER BECAUSE OF THE WHERE THEY'RE BEING INSTALLED.

SO WE'VE GOT THE COST, AND YOU'LL SEE THE SAVINGS IN 2024 VERSUS THE ESTIMATED SAVINGS IN 2031.

AND THAT JUST AGAIN TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE TWO DIFFERENT THE CURRENT UTILITY RATE AND THEN THE ESTIMATED UTILITY RATE WHEN THE NEW CONTRACT HITS.

AND YOU'LL SEE THE INCENTIVES THAT DEBORAH WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE THE TAX CREDIT AS WELL AS THE INCENTIVES FROM TEXAS, NEW MEXICO POWER, THE UTILITY.

AND THEN ALL THE WAY ON THE RIGHT IS KIND OF ROLLED UP TO THE SIMPLE PAYBACK, WHICH IS JUST THE TOTAL COST DIVIDED BY THE TOTAL SAVINGS.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT OVERALL, EVERYTHING HAS ABOUT AN 18 YEAR PAYBACK BASED ON THE 2031 SAVINGS.

AND THE OTHER THING WE'VE DONE SINCE THE LAST MEETING WAS INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING A SNAPSHOT OF TOTAL COST AND ONE YEAR SAVINGS, WE DID THE 20 YEAR CASH FLOWS, WHICH ARE THE SECOND SET OF TABLES ON THERE THAT AREN'T AS COLORFUL, AND THAT KIND OF LISTS OUT YEAR BY YEAR WHAT THE INCURRED COSTS WOULD BE VERSUS THE SAVINGS. AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THESE 20 YEAR SAVINGS NUMBERS CAME FROM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE MATH WORLD FROM WHAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS WERE TO GET TO THAT.

SO ONCE YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW ALL THAT STUFF, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH THAT AS WELL.

I ALREADY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

OKAY. I MEAN, THIS KIND OF PROVES MY POINT THAT I MADE THE LAST TIME.

AND IT'S RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT JUST THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

REALLY? THAT'S THE BIG DRIVER ALSO MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE REDUNDANCY AND POWER EVEN IN A STORM LOSS.

YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT 883,000 IS THE NET ESTIMATED COST BY 2031.

IT'S A 22 PAYBACK YEAR IF YOU DO IT BASED OFF OF TODAY'S PRICES THAT WE'RE AT, IT'S 44 YEARS.

SO WHAT'S THE BENEFIT IN GOING NOW VERSUS LATER? JUST THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

TO ME THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP TO DO IT.

NOW THEY THEY MAKE MORE SENSE TO WAIT AND DO IT LATER.

SO YOU GET THE BETTER PAYBACK.

ON THE RATE DIFFERENCE IN 2031 OF THE THREE SOLAR SITES.

THAT'S DEFINITELY TRUE. AND YOU'RE WE'RE GOING TO GO TO A SLIDE IN ANOTHER SLIDE OR TWO, WHICH IS WE KIND OF TOOK THIS LARGER PROJECT, CUT OUT ANYTHING THAT HAD HIGHER THAN A 20 YEAR SIMPLE PAYBACK BASED ON THE 2031 SAVINGS.

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RIGHT. WHICH KIND OF IS MAKES EVERYTHING THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

I GUESS YOU COULD SAY WE CALL THIS OPTIMIZED, BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO OPTIMIZE TO TO FURTHER OPTIMIZE IT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WE WENT BACK AND KIND OF STRATEGIZE THAT FOR THE LAST MEETING.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT DEBORAH WAS ALLUDING TO IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS, IS THAT WE'VE GOT A THIRD OPTION IN BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE SMALL PROJECT THAT BASICALLY IS THE LIGHTING, THE THE HVAC STUFF, AND THEN THE POLICE STATION AND THE REC CENTER SOLAR.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE JUST THOSE FOUR MEASURES STACK UP AS FAR AS THE FOUR MOST ATTRACTIVE ONES.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT REASON TO NAME THAT WASTEWATER PLANT.

IS THE ITC THE MOST THAT YOU CAN GET? THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO GIVE US 40 TO 60%.

RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE IT AT THE MINIMUM, WHICH IS 40%.

AND THAT'S AN ASSET FOR THE CITY THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO MONETIZE FOR YOU.

SO. CHRIS DUNN.

SO I WANT TO CLARIFY, THOUGH, THAT SOLAR DOESN'T TAKE IT OFF THE GRID.

OH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT JUST REDUCES THE COST, RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH.

THANK YOU CHRIS. BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OTHER KEY POINT AS FAR AS WHY NOW WOULD BE THIS 40% TO 60% BACK ON THE INSTALL OF SOLAR IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN.

AND ONCE THIS GOES AWAY, YOU MAY NEVER SEE IT AGAIN.

TO CONSIDER ACTING NOW, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT PERSON'S OPINION AND NOT KNOWING WHAT PROGRAMS WILL BE THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

ALTHOUGH THE CREDIT HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO 2032.

WHICH I SAID WOULD HAVE EXTENDED CREDIT.

OH, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT ON THAT MEMO ON FRIDAY.

YES. THE EXTENDED CREDIT AND WHAT WE HAD SHARED WITH YOU BEFORE WAS WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.

WE NOW HAVE THAT, BUT WE ALSO DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE OVERSUBSCRIBED.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE HAVE ANY CHANGE.

SO JUST STRIKING AND TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE TO YOU WOULD.

IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION, SIR.

OKAY. SO WE'VE WALKED THROUGH THIS MATRIX TO SHOW YOU THE COST AND THE PAYBACKS ON THE LARGER PROJECT.

JUST TO GO THROUGH THE MECHANICS OF LOOKING AT HOW THIS IS SET UP.

SO BRIAN HAD SHARED WITH YOU THAT A LOT OF HEADS ON THE.

DISCUSSIONS THAT WE BELIEVE WE'VE COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION FOR YOU THAT MEETS YOUR NEEDS, ALLOWS YOU TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO DO, AND STILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INCENTIVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY.

SO WE'VE GOT ONE MORE SLIDE AFTER THIS, THOUGH I THINK.

SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

MOVE ON. AND THAT'S A SMALLER PROJECT.

SO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS JUST TO WALK THROUGH THE YOU IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION JUST A SMALLER PROJECT.

ONE MORE SLIDE. ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING IS HOW DO WE BALANCE THIS PROJECT WITH THE CURRENT CITY NEEDS AND UTILIZE THE LEARNING CAPACITY THAT YOU ALL HAVE RIGHT NOW? RIGHT. SO THE SMALLER SCOPE THAT WE'VE DESIGNED IS A BETTER PAYBACK.

IT STILL ADDRESSES THE MAIN NEEDS AND GIVES YOU THE THINGS THAT I JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT BEFORE TO ALLOW YOU TO LOOK AT THE SOLAR FOR YOUR CITY, SHOULD YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO THAT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. YEAH.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE CUT IT DOWN TO LIGHTING THE OF IMPROVEMENT.

AND THEN THE SOLAR CARDBOARD IS AT THE POLICE STATION AND THE REC CENTER.

THIS IS ABOUT $4.8 MILLION PROJECT.

AND STILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ABOUT 1.5 MILLION IN THE TAX INCENTIVES.

AND I THINK WE GAVE YOU PRINTOUTS OF THE CASH FLOWS AS WELL.

YEAH. I'M JUST GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT THIS IS.

DUM. HERE WE GO.

SO YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $5.3 MILLION IN SAVINGS OVER 20 YEARS.

FOR THE. WE CALL IT THE SUB 23.

SO THAT'S A NET COST OF ABOUT $3 MILLION FOR A 5.3 MILLION SAVINGS, WHICH ABOUT 2.2 MILLION POTENTIAL POSITIVE. SO EVERYTHING IN YELLOW HAS GONE AWAY.

IT'S IN GREEN AND ABOVE THE SOLAR.

IT WOULD BE PART OF THIS PROJECT.

AND I THINK THAT ON THE BOTTOM ABOUT THE PRICING, JUST TO MAKE SURE I GET THAT OUT THERE, WE HAVE PRICING FROM OUR CONTRACTORS.

AS I SAID, MOST OF THE SUMMER INTO NOW, EVERYBODY'S CALLING TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING WITH IT.

SO THEY'RE THEY'RE HOLDING ON TO THAT PRICING.

AND SO WE'LL GUARANTEE ALL THIS.

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A YEAR IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY BE COMING BACK MAYBE NEXT MONTH TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY STILL HAVE ON YOUR SPREADSHEETS. WE'LL VERIFY THAT.

AND. THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE.

SO I WILL BE TELLING YOU AT THE MEETING, YES, THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE THE SAME.

I'VE ALREADY. YES, SAYS THE PASSENGER.

OH 24. IT SHOULD SAY 23, ACCORDING TO IT.

I'LL CALL THE BOSS. THANK YOU.

RECORD THAT. THAT'S IN THE RECORD.

I WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM THIS ANGLE.

SO YOU WERE GOOD TO GET THIS THING RIGHT.

SO COULD YOU, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE.

IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE YOU'LL ADVANCE THE SLIDE.

SO. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS SINCE MARCH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ON WHAT IS OUT THERE THAT THE CITY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

WE LOOKED AT WHAT YOUR CRITICAL NEEDS ARE IN YOUR BUILDINGS.

WE LOOKED AT WHAT SAVINGS WILL PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

HOW DO WE OFFSET THE COSTS OF THE PROJECTS UTILITY REBATES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO YOU, THE ITC CERTAINLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND THEN BRING YOUR PROJECT BACK.

THAT'S POSITIVE AND AND NEW SOMETHING NEW FOR YOUR CITY.

SO WE'VE DESIGNED ALL OF THIS IN TANDEM WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES THROUGH A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WE SHOWED YOU ON THE MATRIX.

AND THE PROJECT DOES BRING NEW TECHNOLOGY TO THE CITY.

IT ADDRESSES THE LIGHTING AND MECHANICAL NEEDS.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SMALLEST PROJECT.

WE'VE GOT THE HVAC ARMOR ON THAT, BUT NOT THE OTHER.

YES. AND SO IT DOES PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GENERATE REVENUE, WHICH IS WONDERFUL FOR THE CITY TO HAVE CASH COMING IN.

AND BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT THE CASH, IT'S A CREDIT ON YOUR UTILITY BILL.

REMEMBER, IT IDENTIFIES THE AVAILABLE REBATES THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY FOR THE SCOPE THAT WE'VE PROPOSED.

AND IT IDENTIFIES THE SOLAR INCENTIVES ALSO THAT WILL BRING THOSE ARE CASH TO THE CITY.

THIS INCENTIVES ARE CASH.

THE FINANCIAL PATH WE'VE SHOWN YOU THAT IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.

WE PROVIDE THE GUARANTEE ON THE SAVINGS FOR THE M AND B OF THE FACILITIES, RIGHT.

MEASUREMENT, VERIFICATION FOR THE FACILITIES.

AND WE'LL BE WATCHING THE METERS ON THOSE FACILITIES.

SO WE SEE EVERY SINGLE MONTH HOW WE'RE DOING.

WE REPORT TO YOU ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, AND YOU'LL HAVE AN ANNUAL RECONCILIATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND AS I SHARED WITH YOU IN THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER THAT HAS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED AND SAY, YES, THIS IS GOING TO MEET THE SAVINGS THAT HAS BEEN PROJECTED ON THIS PROJECT.

AND ANGLETON CAN STILL ADDRESS CURRENT NEEDS ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO I KNOW WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO DESIGN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO FOR YOUR FOR YOUR STREETS AND YOUR SEWER AND YOUR CURBS AND YOUR PARKS AND ALL OF THAT.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY AND WE CAN PUT THE ARRAY IN WHICHEVER ARRAY YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU CHOOSE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING AND WE COULD MONETIZE IN 2025, WHICH IS ABOUT WHEN YOU MIGHT BE GETTING YOUR PLANS BACK FROM MAKING YOUR IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR CITY.

SO THE DELAY IS JUST INTO THE NEXT TAX YEAR.

SO WE HAVE 2032 AVAILABLE IF YOU CHOOSE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

SO I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE FINANCIALS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF NEW QUESTIONS TO GET SOME ANSWERS TO.

WE WORKED HARD TO TRY TO BRING YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT, THAT YOU NEED, AND THAT IT MEETS THE CITY'S NEEDS AND THAT IS AFFORDABLE, THAT IT FITS INTO YOUR PLAN.

AND I ACTUALLY USED YOUR QUOTES COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND IS HOW DO WE FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE? WHICH PROJECTS DO WE GO AFTER AND HOW DO WE DO THAT.

AND WE CERTAINLY SHOWN YOU WAYS TO GET YOUR BUILDINGS TAKEN CARE OF AND BRING CASH BACK TO THE CITY TO ADDRESS THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT YOUR CITIZENS ARE INTERESTED IN.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR CASH FLOW, ONE ONE RECOMMENDATION I WOULD MAKE TO YOU ELIMINATE THE O&M SAVINGS.

OKAY. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE AN O&M SAVINGS.

AND IF YOU'RE JUST DOING A STRAIGHT FINANCING REPAYMENT AGAINST YOUR USAGE SAVINGS AND YOUR BUYBACK REVENUE, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST.

WHAT IS IT? FIRST SIX YEARS.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT'S MORE OF A FEASIBLE LOOK AT IT.

BECAUSE AS COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL MADE THE POINT ON THE OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE, I BELIEVE THERE'S COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE INCURRED.

I THINK WE'VE ALSO POINTED OUT SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND HAVE TO HAPPEN ON THE SOLAR PANELS IN OUR REGION.

CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COST ON ANY OF THIS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT.

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IT'S IT'S VERY MINIMAL, WHATEVER THAT IS.

BUT I THINK IT'S MORE OF A TRUE STATEMENT TO TAKE THAT OUT AND THEN REDO YOUR NUMBERS AND LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CASH FLOW STATEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT.

IT MAKES IT EASIER TO READ.

AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER SLIDES.

SO WHEN WE PUT THE NEW NUMBERS TOGETHER, MAYOR, JUST FOR SOME GUIDANCE, WE'VE GOT THREE PROJECTS HERE FOR YOU.

I'D JUST LIKE TO PULL THE COUNCIL IF YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS SOLAR.

LET'S DO THE WORK ON THAT AS WELL.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT, WHICH ONE MIGHT YOU BE LEANING TOWARDS? AND WE CAN DO IT ON ALL THREE IF YOU'RE STILL UNDECIDED.

BUT IF YOU KIND OF ALREADY KNOW, THEN WE WOULD FOCUS ON THAT.

WE JUST TURNED DOWN $1 MILLION FOR EXPANSION ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE A HARD TIME ALLOCATING ANY MONEY TO THIS.

IF WE WERE, IN MY OPINION, IF YOU WERE TO GO WITH ANYTHING.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SMALL MINIMUM SCOPE OF HOW TO MAKE MAKE OUR BUILDINGS MORE EFFICIENT.

BUT THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S SOMETHING RIGHT NOW I'M IN FAVOR OF AT THE MOMENT.

I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S THE TIMING.

I STILL THINK WE'RE WE'RE IN A GOOD RATE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE.

I THINK SOME OF THE ITEMS YOU'VE ADDRESSED IN CERTAIN AREAS.

ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THERE'S THERE'S EFFICIENCIES TO BE GAINED IN EVERY BUILDING THAT WE HAVE.

BUT HOW DO WE BITE THAT OFF AND HOW DO WE TACKLE THAT? I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING AND BONDING AND DOING ALL THIS UP FRONT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE STILL HAVE A SIX YEAR WINDOW, I BELIEVE, FOR A MOMENT.

BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE THE MINIMUM SCOPE CASH FLOW, TAKE OUT THE O AND M SAVINGS JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND REALLY, MY MY AREA IS I STILL THINK THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT PROBABLY IS THE BEST PLACE.

IF THAT WAS IF THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO.

BUT THAT'S MY $0.02.

IT'S JUST DIFFICULT WITH THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

AND AS MAYOR WRIGHT SAID, WITH THE WITH THE CURRENT RATE THAT WE HAVE.

CLEARLY, AND WE'RE WORKING ON A SECOND PROJECT AS WELL, THAT'S.

IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.

AND SO WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON DESIGN AND COST FOR THAT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES.

AND FOR US, AS I SAID, THIS ISN'T OUR PROJECT, IT'S YOURS.

HOW CAN WE BRING YOU THE PROJECT THAT YOU WANT THAT MEETS YOUR NEEDS? SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE MEASURED UP TO THAT ONE ON WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING YOU.

HOWEVER, LET'S GET THE NUMBERS BACK ON THE ONE POINT.

INTERJECT. UH, COUNCIL.

I'M ALONG WITH ALL OF YOU GUYS AND GALS.

WE REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.

I'VE SPOKEN TO MY CONSTITUENTS.

MY CONSTITUENTS ARE NOT FOR SOLAR PANELS.

OKAY. I'M REPRESENTING MY CONSTITUENTS.

I'M ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS.

BUT MY CONSTITUENTS DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS.

I'LL SAY, I, UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE IDEA OR THE CONCEPT OF LOOKING FORWARD TO COST SAVINGS, POTENTIALLY. I'M NOT I'M NOT AS CERTAIN ABOUT SAVINGS IN THE LONG RUN, BECAUSE I DO THINK THE M AND O DOES TEND TO OVERRIDE AS TIME GOES ALONG.

IT'S JUST ADDED COST OF JUST.

BEEN SITTING HERE JUST LONG ENOUGH TO MAYBE COME A LITTLE MORE SKEPTICAL.

BUT THE.

THE ONLY THING IS, I KNOW MR. BOOTH SPEAKS OF HIS CONSTITUENTS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I MADE THAT QUESTION, I RAISED THAT IDEA OF LAST TIME OF TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE, SO I DID.

I WENT BACK AND CHRIS HAS PREPARED A CIP PACKET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND I WENT BACK THROUGH IT.

AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THIS FITS INTO THAT.

WE HAVE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF.

PROJECTS THAT.

OPERATED FROM HIGH PRIORITY TO FUTURISTIC, AND THIS TO ME, WOULD FALL FAR DOWN THAT LIST OF HIGH PRIORITY.

AND. LIKE I SAID, I THINK.

IT WOULD BE. I THINK HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS A GOOD CONVERSATION.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK BECAUSE I REALLY DO, BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES YOU THINK.

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AND BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN I LOOK BACK, I PULLED OUT THAT PACKET THIS PAST WEEKEND AND I STARTED LOOKING OVER SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND I'M LIKE.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THIS FITS.

AND THAT'S. AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THIS.

AND TRUST ME, I KNOW WHAT GOES INTO PREPARING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I DO, AND I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO APPRECIATES THE HARD WORK AND DUE DILIGENCE THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS.

IT'S IT'S NOT A SMALL THING.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT IT TOOK A TEAM TO COMPILE THIS WELL, AND THE TEAM IS STILL HERE.

SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE CITY WHERE EVER WE CAN PROVIDE SUPPORT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? I AGREE WITH EVERYONE.

JUST ECHO, I CONCUR.

OKAY, CHRIS.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL PUT IN.

DO WE WANT TO HAVE THEM BACK OR DO WE WANT TO TABLE THIS FOR NOW? I MEAN, THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, THERE WAS NO INDICATION OF MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF THEIR TIME AND OUR TIME TO KEEP DISCUSSING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN YOUR FAVOR.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR. I THINK THERE'S SOME ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP FURTHER DOWN THE AGENDA THAT MAY EAT UP SOME OF THE MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.

OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK.

YES. THANK YOU. I THINK THE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, THE ACTION IS NO, NO ACTION.

SO ALL RIGHT, SO THE INFORMATION THAT WILL PULL TOGETHER FOR YOU WILL SEND.

FINE. YES, AND I MAY.

29. SO WE WISH YOU HAD A COLONY AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ME NOW TO PRESS FROM US WITH THE GAME.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON HOW TO REACH US.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AS WELL.

IT'S HARD TO BE A TRAILBLAZER.

IT REALLY IS, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CITY.

BUT WHAT'S EXCITING IS YOUR CITY'S NEW SUBDIVISION IS COMING IN.

AND SO THINGS WILL BROADEN, BUDGETS WILL GET BETTER, TECHNOLOGIES WILL GET BETTER, AND WE'LL STILL BE HERE.

ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 14 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING A FINAL PLAT FOR ANGLETON PARK PLACE SUBDIVISION, SECTION TWO.

[14. Discussion and possible action on approving a Final Plat for Angleton Park Place Subdivision Section 2.]

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE BEFORE US SECTION TWO OF THE ANGLETON PARK PLACE SUBDIVISION.

THE DA WAS APPROVED BACK IN AUGUST.

WE'RE OBTAINING 32 LOTS ON TWO BLOCKS IN THE FINAL PLAT FOR ANGLETON PARK PLACE.

THE PLAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THEIR LAST MEETING.

THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY VIDEO OF THIS PLAT CONTINGENT UPON JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BY.

THE CITY ENGINEER WHO HAS GIVEN US A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION.

AND THERE WAS JUST A STIPULATION ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR SECTION TWO BEING PROVIDED FOR.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAN.

HE IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION MOVING DIRT.

I HAVE NOT SEEN IT THIS WEEK, BUT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FIRST PHASE.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

DO I HAVE ACTION OR ANY QUESTIONS? WHERE I MOVED TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT OF ANGLETON PARK PLACE.

SECTION TWO, SUBDIVISION SECOND.

HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR APPROVAL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AT THIS POINT.

AND WE WILL RECONVENE BACK AT 825.

SO HE 20 YEARS.

HE PRAISED THE WORK. PIECE OF WORK.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK INTO SESSION AT 830.

WE ARE GOING TO NOT WE'RE GOING TO TABLE ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEMS 14, 15,

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16, 17.

WE JUST DID 14.

SORRY. 15, 16, 17.

WE ALREADY TOOK ACTION ON.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 18.

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION APPROVING THE DECISION TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT.

[18. Discussion and possible action approving the decision to apply for Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Drainage Improvement Funding for the design and construction of the drainage components of the Henderson Road improvements.]

FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE DRAINAGE COMPONENTS OF HENDERSON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

GOOD. EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS ABBY CARRILLO WITH CASA ENGINEERS, AND WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING ONE OF AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAME ACROSS. THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ONE OF YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT'S BEEN HIGH ON YOUR LIST FOR A WHILE, THAT YOU'RE SEEKING FUNDING FOR HENDERSON ROAD FROM VELASCO TO MULBERRY, AND IT HAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, A LOT OF COMPONENTS.

I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE FUNDING REQUESTS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE H-GAC, AND THERE'S SOME, SOME BACKGROUND STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.

SO YOU'RE WORKING HARD ON ON THAT PROJECT.

THE FEMA HAS ISSUED A NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR THROUGH THEIR FEDERAL FLOOD MITIGATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

IT'S AN ANNUAL CYCLE.

AND IT CAME OUT AND WE'VE BEEN BECOMING FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROGRAM.

IT FUNDS SEVERAL CATEGORIES OF FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS.

AND WE WANTED TO PRESENT THE THE OPPORTUNITY OF FINDING THE OF COURSE, THE HENDERSON ROAD PROJECT HAS A HUGE DRAINAGE COMPONENT, THE STREET COMPONENT, SOME UTILITY COMPONENTS, THE AMENITIES THAT NEED TO BE A PART OF THE SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS, TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS.

ET CETERA. AND SO THIS WAS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO MATCH UP THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO THIS, THIS PROGRAM.

THE WAY THE PROGRAM WORKS IS THAT STATE STAFF HELPS SHAPE, HELPS A VARIETY OF COMMUNITIES SHAPE PROJECTS THAT THEN GET FORWARDED TO TO THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ADMINISTRATION.

AND THE GENERAL TIMELINE IS THAT THE NOTICE OF THE NOFO, THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY CAME OUT IN OCTOBER. THE STATE IS ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR ASSISTANCE, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE WEEK OF JANUARY 2ND, AND THEN THE APPLICATIONS THAT MAKE IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS ARE FORWARDED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN FEBRUARY.

AND THEN THE THEY TAKE THE WHOLE YEAR TO EVALUATE THE APPLICATIONS.

AND THEN AT THE END OF ABOUT FALL OF 2024, DECISIONS ARE MADE, AWARDS ARE ANNOUNCED, AND THEN IT'S NOT UNTIL ABOUT 2025 WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AGREEMENT.

IF YOU ARE LUCKY TO TO TO RECEIVE AN AWARD AND THEN YOU MIGHT START THE PROJECT IN 2025.

I SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE JUST TO KIND OF GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS, THE ROUGHLY THE THE DRAINAGE COMPONENT OF THE HENDERSON PROJECT, WHICH IS ABOUT A $50 MILLION EFFORT CONSTRUCTION COSTS, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS, IS ABOUT.

THE DRAINAGE COMPONENT IS ABOUT $60 MILLION.

AND THERE IS A COST SHARE UNDER THIS GRANT PROGRAM.

OF 7525, 25% IS IS THE CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY.

IT IS A HIGH AMOUNT, BUT IT IS.

YOU GET A LOT OF BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.

75% OF 60 MILLION IS 12 MILLION, OF COURSE.

AND SO THE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TODAY IS TO OFFER THE CITY SOME ASSISTANCE IN PUTTING THAT APPLICATION TOGETHER AT NO COST TO THE CITY.

WE REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT, AND I STAND, I STAND FOR FOR SOME INITIAL QUESTIONS, AND I CAN GO INTO THE WEEDS ON, ON ANY OF THE ASPECTS THAT I, THAT I SPOKE TO. ALL KIND OF STOP THERE FOR SOME QUESTIONS.

CITY MANAGER'S GOT HIS HAND UP.

GO AHEAD. SO I WON'T PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, BUT I WILL.

SO KSA HAS OFFERED TO SUBMIT FOR THIS PROJECT WITHOUT COST OR OBLIGATION TO THE CITY.

AND WHEN I SAY THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING AN RFQ OR RFQS FOR THIS PROJECT, AND SO DEPENDING ON BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL MONEY INVOLVED, WE HAVE TO PROCURE FOR ENGINEERING ON THIS, WE MAY HAVE TO PROCURE NOT JUST ONE, BUT

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MULTIPLE DEPENDING ON HOW THIS PROJECT TURNS OUT.

AND SO THEY'RE DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT A SHOO IN FOR ENGINEERING ON THIS.

ASSUMING WE GET THE GRANT.

SO WE WILL OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, PROCURE FOR ENGINEERING THROUGH THE RFQ PROCESS AND COME BACK AND LET YOU ALL SELECT AN ENGINEER, MULTIPLE ENGINEERS, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS THING SHAKES OUT.

AND AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DO THE DRAINAGE PIECE AND THEN WE WANT TO GO FOR A TEXDOT SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS GRANT ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE PROCUREMENT LAWS MAY REQUIRE US TO GET AN ENGINEER FOR THAT.

AND SO AS IT GOES ON, H-GAC TEXDOT THIS THING, WE MAY AGAIN, WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE ENGINEERS.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF WE CAN PROCURE FOR ONE, BECAUSE THAT MAKES MY LIFE SIMPLER.

AND THAT'S WHAT MY PRIORITY IS.

BUT WE'RE WE'RE FOLLOWING YOUR GUIDANCE ABOUT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG AND NOT NECESSARILY GET THAT $50 MILLION WHATEVER.

BUT THE GOOD NEWS OF THIS IS IF WE GET IT AND WE GO FORWARD WHEN WE APPLY FOR OTHER GRANTS, WE CAN SHOW THAT WE WE'VE GOT STAKE IN THE GAME, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.

WE'RE NOT JUST THROWING SOMETHING UP, HOPING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HAIL MARY OF FUNDING.

IF I CAN SPEAK TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON ON THE NONCOMMITTAL NATURE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY, THE LIKE CHRIS MENTIONED, WE'RE OFFERING THIS AT NO COST, AT NO RISK, BASICALLY.

AND THE AS FAR AS THE A POTENTIAL AWARD FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, OF COURSE, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, THE FUNDING AGREEMENT UNTIL IT'S IN PLACE, BUT SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION DOES NOT COMMIT THE CITY TO ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH SIGNING A FUNDING AGREEMENT.

IF THE TERMS DON'T MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS OR IF PRIORITIES HAVE, HAVE, HAVE CHANGED AT THE TIME THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING THE FUNDING AWARD TO YOU AND THE.

JUST TO REITERATE THE POINT OF HOW THE MEMBERS OF THE HCAC THAT WILL BE EVALUATING THE FEASIBILITY, VIABILITY AND AND COST BENEFIT OF THE HENDERSON PROJECT AT AT THE AT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

IT IS VERY TRUE THAT THE MORE SKIN IN THE GAME, THE MORE THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS SEE THAT ACTION IS BEING MADE, THAT PROGRESS IS BEING MADE.

IT JUST COUNTS IN YOUR FAVOR.

AND IT'S LIKELY BECAUSE IT'S A LESS RISK PROPOSITION THAT THAT THE COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY ADVANCING THE PROJECT.

AND SO THEY SEE ADDITIONAL FUNDING AS, AS SOMETHING THAT IS IS GOING TO MAKE THE PROJECT HAPPEN.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ELABORATE ON THOSE TWO POINTS.

OF COURSE, LIKE WITH ANY APPLICATION, IT IS JUST AN APPLICATION.

THE THERE ARE SEVERAL AVENUES OF PUTTING TOGETHER SOME BENEFIT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT'S DEPENDENT ON SOME DATA THAT WE NEED TO REQUEST FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON YOUR BEHALF AND DOING SOME, SOME VERY LIGHT ANALYSIS AND KIND OF COORDINATING WITH THE STATE.

THERE MIGHT BE, JUST TO BE HONEST, THERE MIGHT BE A FATAL FLAW THAT MAKES THE PROJECT NOT FIT WITH THE PROGRAM, BUT JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW MUCH OF A PRIORITY THIS PROJECT IS.

WHY NOT CHASE EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT'S OUT THERE FOR FOR SECURING, GETTING GETTING SOME SOME FUNDING FOR FOR THE CITY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

THE PROJECT ITSELF.

IT'S. JUST LOOKING AT THE LAST RAIN EVENT WE HAD AND DRIVING THAT AREA AND SEEING THE DITCH.

YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONE ON ALONG THOSE AREAS, JUST.

OVERSIZING THAT MAKING SURE THAT IT'S IT'S DONE TO NOT NOT JUST MEET CURRENT STANDARDS BUT IN THE FUTURE GROWTH AREAS AND AND SO I'M KIND OF CONCERNED.

BUT I'M DEFINITELY NOT WANTING TO STOP THIS BECAUSE I WANT THIS IS ONE THING I HAVE A GOAL OF IS GETTING HENDERSON STARTED OR SOMETHING DONE ON HENDERSON.

SO WHATEVER IT TAKES.

BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT ESPECIALLY BETWEEN VELASCO OR BETWEEN VALDERAS AND DOWNING THAT DITCH AND IT BEING FILLED IN, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S SIZED CORRECTLY SO THAT WE CAN FIX SOME OF THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE ON THE BACK SIDE OF RANCHO, OR AREAS ALONG VALDERAS COMING ALONG THROUGH THERE.

SO THAT'S JUST MY $0.02.

YEAH. JOHN, IF I CAN.

YEAH, GO FOR IT. BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE.

[02:30:04]

SO LIKE MANY PROGRAMS THERE ARE SEVERAL FUNDING CATEGORIES OR BUCKETS.

LIKE WE ALWAYS LIKE WE OFTEN CALL THEM.

AND ONE OF THE BUCKETS IS THAT WE THINK THE PROJECT MAY FIT INTO IS A IS A CATEGORY CALLED CAPACITY AND CAPABILITY BUILDING.

AND IT SPEAKS TO EXACTLY THAT, THE ABILITY TO NOT HAVE DRAINAGE ELEMENTS ALONG YOUR YOUR DRAINAGE PATH THAT ARE LIMITING, EITHER CAUSING A PROBLEM TODAY OR NOT ALLOWING THE CITY TO GROW, LIKE HOW THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY IS MEANT TO GROW EAST OF DOWNING. THERE ARE SOME SOME HOMES THAT ARE IMPACTED TODAY BY THE FLOODPLAIN THAT THAT THAT HAVE SOME RISK INVOLVED.

AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD, WOULD REMOVE THOSE THOSE RESIDENTS FROM FROM THOSE FLOODPLAINS.

AND SO YES, THAT IS THE, THE NOT ONLY THE GOAL, OF COURSE, OF THE PROJECT, REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S FUNDED, BUT THE GRANT REQUIRES YOU TO SIZE THE THE FACILITY THAT THEY ARE INVESTING IN TO BE SIZED FOR THE ULTIMATE BUILDOUT OF THE WATERSHED THAT IT TAKES CARE OF. DO YOU WANT TO TALK? GO FOR JUST A YOUR YOU HAVE TO GO.

HEY, IF I GET TO GO TO THE PODIUM.

YES. JUST JUST TO GO OVER YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD THE HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS THAT WE DID IN THE CORRIDOR STUDY THAT WE DID, TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROJECTIONS OF WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING AND WHAT WE PROJECTED OUT, WHAT'S COMING ON THE NORTH SIDE.

WE LOOKED AT THE IMPACT OF THAT.

WE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT THE NEW DRAINAGE CRITERIA THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADOPTED YET BY THE CITY OR ANYBODY IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, WHICH IS THE ATLAS 14.

SO WE'RE PLANNING FOR THAT INFORMATION AS WELL, TOO.

WE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE OF RANCHO DITCH, AND WE LOOKED AT THE PONDING ISSUES THAT WERE GOING ON RANCHO DITCH, AND THAT WAS ALSO SOLVED.

THAT'S HOW THAT ANALYSIS WAS MADE, WAS LOOKING AT FUTURE IMPACTS, LOOKING AT A LARGER RAIN EVENT THAT WILL BE EVENTUALLY MANDATED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION MOST OF YOUR OTHER COUNTIES AND EVERYBODY'S TAKING THAT STEP.

SO THOSE THOSE PIPES THAT ARE IN THAT, IN THAT STUDY YOU DID SPEND CORRECTLY IDENTIFY THAT.

GOOD. THANK YOU. AND JUST READING THE POOP SHEET THAT CAME WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM.

I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A DOWNER, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE A LONG STRETCH TO TO QUALIFY FOR FOR THIS FUNDING.

IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS IT'S COST EFFECTIVE MEASURES TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE LONG TERM RISK OF FLOOD DAMAGE TO REPETITIVE AND SEVERE REPETITIVE LOSS BUILDINGS, MANUFACTURED HOMES AND OTHER STRUCTURES.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL FLOODING GOING ON OUT THERE.

YES, COUNCILOR. AND THAT SPEAKS TO ONE OF THE THAT'S THAT'S ONE THAT'S ONE POINT ON THE THING.

AND THEN THEN LATER ON DOWN IN THE IN THE SHEET, IT TALKS ABOUT A COST BENEFIT FOR BEING A COST BENEFIT RATIO OF 1 TO 1.0 OR GREATER.

WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO PROVE SOME LOSSES BEFORE YOU CAN PROVE.

COST BENEFITS AND NUISANCE FLOODING.

WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE.

BUT IT APPEARS TO ME THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S MORE TARGETED TOWARD COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GETTING FLOODED ALL THE TIME.

THEY'RE WALKING, WALKING, WALKING HIP DEEP IN WATER TO GET OUT TO THE CAR AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES.

ONE OF THE BUCKETS IS, IS FOR ACTUALLY LIKE, YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE SAYING TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY THAT GETS FLOODED, CONVERT ITS USE INTO SOMETHING ELSE, AND IT SPEAKS TO THE REPETITIVE LOSS OF YOUR REPETITIVE LOSS.

AND AND THAT IS ONE OF THE BUCKETS EMPHASIS IN SPEAKING TO JUST INFORMALLY TO SOME OF THE THE STAFF THAT'S INVOLVED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE THE OPPORTUNITY IS, IS UNDER THE CAPACITY AND I'M SORRY, THE CAPACITY AND CAPABILITY CATEGORY. BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO SAY THAT IT'S A SHOO IN.

LIKE LIKE MANY GRANTS, THE TASK IS TO SEE IF THE PROJECT CAN BE MASSAGED TO FIT INTO THE, YOU KNOW, FITTING THE, THE, THE, THE SHAPE OF THE, OF THE PROGRAM, OF THE PROJECT INTO THE SHAPE OF THE PROGRAM.

AND IF THERE IS A FATAL FLAW THAT'S ENCOUNTERED, THEN AT LEAST WE EXPLORED IT MAY MAYBE IT'S FOUND IN STEP TWO, MAYBE IT'S FOUND IN STEP TEN.

BUT OF COURSE WE WOULD COMMUNICATE THAT RIGHT AWAY.

AND BUT AT LEAST WE, YOU KNOW, WE COLLECTIVELY EXPLORED THAT OPPORTUNITY IS THE IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING ON TODAY.

[02:35:09]

OKAY. COUNCIL BACK IN APRIL.

WE SELECTED GRANT WORKS TO BE OUR.

GREAT ADMINISTRATOR TO GO LOOKING FOR GRANTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A TASK WE'RE CONTRACTED WITH WITH THEM? THAT'S CORRECT. HAVE OR HAVE THEY BEEN ASKED TO HELP? GO FOR THIS.

GO FOR THIS OR WHAT? NOT. NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR GRANT.

NO. WHICH ONES WILL THEY BE GOING AFTER? WELL, WE'VE ASKED THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT DRAINAGE GRANTS FOR THE ALSO FOR THE HENDERSON ROAD, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION GRANT. WATER AND SEWER GRANTS.

BUT THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T IDENTIFY THIS TO US.

AND THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US BY KSA.

OKAY. I.

I UNDERSTAND.

COUNCIL MEMBER LOUIS CONCERNS.

TRUST THAT FROM HIS EXPERIENCE, HE'S PROBABLY SPOT ON.

WITH THAT SAID.

I THINK.

UH, SINCE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN EXPENSE INCURRED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND NOT EXPLORE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT.

WELL, WE CAN. AND, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BE A DOWNER.

I DON'T WANT TO BE THE DOWNER, BUT I'M READING WHAT IT SAYS IN BLACK AND WHITE TO BE A REALIST.

AND ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'VE ALL YOU AND I HAVE SAT UP HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GRANT UPON GRANT AND.

YOU FINALLY GOT ONE COMING UP.

BUT ANYWAY, NO, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A.

SEEK THIS GRANT OPPORTUNITY.

SECOND. YEAH.

I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL TO HAVE KSA APPLY FOR THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT FUNDING FOR THE HENDERSON ROAD PROJECT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAD ANOTHER WE HAD ANOTHER PRESENTATION ON SEPTEMBER THE 12TH, EARLIER THIS YEAR BY BY OUR ENGINEER.

REGARDING OTHER AVENUES OF FUNDING ALSO.

YOU APPRECIATE US WANTING TO GO LOOK, FIND MONEY.

YOU KNOW THAT'S.

EVERYBODY NEEDS MONEY.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD.

WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD AN ENGINEER THAT'S BEEN BEEN SEARCHING, THRASHING THE BUSHES FOR THIS.

SO. AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT THEY HAVE EXPENDED OVER THE YEARS DOING HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS AND SIZING THE PIPES AND AND LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE UP AND DOWN STREAM FROM THIS.

FROM THIS PROJECT TO ENSURE THAT THAT THE ANALYSIS IS BEING DONE CORRECTLY.

AND THE ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN UNDERTAKEN IS AN IMPORTANT BUILDING BLOCK.

AND IT DEFINITELY SHOWS THAT THAT THE CITY, THE CITY'S TEAM, HAS BEEN MAKING BIG STRIDES.

THAT IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT THAT IS CONSIDERED FUNDING FOR FOR DRAINAGE HAS BEEN NOTORIOUSLY CHALLENGING.

I KNOW IN RECENT YEARS THE LEGISLATURE, WHEN THEY CAME OUT WITH A PROGRAM, IF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO MAKE BETTER CONNECTIONS BETWEEN PROJECTS AND AND METHODS FOR FUNDING.

THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO UNTANGLE THE WEB OF OF HOW OBSCURE FUNDING FOR DRAINAGE IS, BUT IT'S STILL REMAINS A BIG CHALLENGE.

THERE AREN'T PROGRAMS THAT THAT ARE AS CLEAR AND AS CONSISTENT AS THEY ARE FOR UTILITIES.

THINKING OF THE STATE REVOLVING FUNDS, OR LIKE HOW THERE'S A CLEARINGHOUSE, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR ROADWAY FUNDING.

SO THAT IS IT CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE TO YOUR POINT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

[02:40:05]

THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK.

I'VE NUMBER 19 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING HDR ENGINEERING, INC PROPOSAL FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE 2024 UTILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

[19. Discussion and possible action on approving HDR Engineering, INC., proposal for Professional Engineering Services for the 2024 Utility Master Plan Update.]

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING SEVERAL OCCASIONS ABOUT UTILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

WHAT'S ALL INVOLVED IN THAT? WE WILL BE TAKING A LOOK AT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE LOADINGS, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED, IDENTIFYING FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE MADE.

WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK AT YOUR MODELS, SIZING YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE ON THROUGHOUT DRIVEN BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THE CRITICAL THING ABOUT THIS THAT THAT REALLY WANTED TO BRING TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION IS WITH THE CITY GROWING AS FAST AS IT CURRENTLY IS, YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF OUT OF CAPACITY THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START.

BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND ONE OF THE AVENUES THAT THE STATE ALLOWS IS A THING CALLED AN IMPACT FEE.

IMPACT FEE ALLOWS YOU TO LIGHTEN THE BURDEN ON THE EXISTING RESIDENTS IN THE CITY, AND MOVE THAT DIRECTLY ON TO THE DEVELOPERS, TO WHERE IT'S NOT AS SUCH A CUMBERSOME LOAD ON THE EXISTING RESIDENTS FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE NEW AMENITIES.

THERE'LL BE THINGS FOR THE EXISTING PEOPLE, NEW NEW BUSINESSES WILL COME.

BUT THIS IMPACT FEE, THE VERY FIRST STEP THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S NEEDED AS FAR AS WHAT'S NEEDED IN THIS, IN THE PLAN, SO YOU CAN PUT COSTS TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE AMOUNTS ARE JUST FOR AN INSTANCE LOOKING THROUGH, JUST JUST HERE IN THE IN THE AREA, MANVILLE HAS A 9000 OVER A $9,000 IMPACT FEE PER EQUIVALENT SERVICE UNIT.

FULCHER HAS 57.

MAGNOLIA 10,000.

LEAGUE CITY 7700, RIDGEWOOD 5300, ALVIN 4300.

WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE DIRECTION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN AND AND WE'VE BEEN APPLYING THIS.

WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING WHAT'S CALLED A CAF FEE, WHICH IS BASICALLY A CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE.

AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE DIRECTION WE WERE GIVEN IS WE CAN'T CHARGE FOR MONEY THE CITY DID NOT SPEND.

RIGHT. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS SAY, WHAT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN UP IN CAPACITY FOR THE CITY, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE A WATER PLANT.

WHEN WAS THAT? AND WE'LL COME UP WITH THE COST TO BUILD THAT SAME EXACT WATER PLANT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.

AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL USE A RATIO FACTOR AND MOVE THAT MONEY BACK TO WHEN THAT PLANT WAS WAS BUILT.

AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THAT PERCENTAGE COST OUT.

THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.

BECAUSE THAT THAT THAT MAKES SURE THAT THE CITY IS NOT OVERCHARGING FOR MONEY.

IT DID NOT SPEND FOR AVAILABLE CAPACITY.

NOW, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WITH INFLATION, $5 WORTH OF GAS IN 1994 WAS A LOT OF MONEY.

I COULD FILL UP HALF OF MY TANK OF GAS COMPARED TO NOW.

AND IT'S THE SAME THING WHEN YOU START SLIDING THAT BACK ON THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE JUST GOT THROUGH DOING THE SHENANGO WATER PLANT.

THAT WAS SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS, BUT BACK IN 1958 IT WAS SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND.

SO WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THE FEES THAT WE'RE COLLECTING ARE MUCH SMALLER DUE TO THAT SLIGHT OF SCALE THAN WHAT YOU COULD BE DOING AS YOU ESTABLISH AN IMPACT FEE.

IT ALSO HELPS THE DEVELOPER WHEN THAT IMPACT FEE IS, IS, IS ESTABLISHED BECAUSE THEY COME INTO YOUR COMMUNITY, THEY KNOW WHAT THAT FEE IS.

THEY CAN BUDGET, THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION IS DO WE REALLY WANT TO COME INTO THIS COMMUNITY? WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT, THAT PARTICULAR AMOUNT.

SO TO YOUR POINT, JOHN, ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS THAT REGARDING A CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE IS THAT THE DEVELOPERS AND THEIR ASSOCIATES HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT CAME, THAT IT CAN GET PRETTY CONVOLUTED. AND EVERY TIME AN EVERY TIME A DEVELOPER COMES INTO TOWN, THEY'VE GOT TO PAY THE ENGINEER, OUR ENGINEER TO DEVELOP THE FEE.

AND THERE'S NOTHING STANDARD ABOUT IT.

THE DEVELOPERS JUST WANT TO CRY, YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD STANDARDIZE THAT PROCESS, WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR NEGOTIATIONS AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR HIM TO GO AND GET HIS FUNDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND THEN ALSO, LIKE I SAID, AS IT DOES IT, IT SHIFTS THE BURDEN OFF OF THE RESIDENTS ONTO THE DEVELOPER, A LARGER PORTION OF THAT.

[02:45:10]

MANY COMMUNITIES IN THIS AREA, APPARENTLY, AND AGAIN, ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DEVELOPING RAPIDLY IS WHAT THE CITY OF ANGLETON IS, HAS ONE IN PLACE.

SO IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO DO AN UPDATE TO THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN.

THE LAST UTILITY MASTER PLAN THAT WE DID WAS IN 2017.

TYPICALLY, IT'S A HEALTHY PRACTICE TO DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.

WE'RE PAST THAT FIVE YEAR MARK BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW WHERE THE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN, THE AMOUNT THAT'S COMING, AND WE CAN ADD BETTER PROJECTIONS ONTO THAT.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS WATER SUPPLY.

WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT WE'LL BE DOING A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION.

WE'LL DO WATER AND WASTEWATER MODEL UPDATES AND ANALYZE THOSE SYSTEMS. AND THEN WE'LL COME UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN THAT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR THE IMPACT FEE.

PLAYS PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.

WHAT'S THE DRAWBACK? WHAT IF YOU WERE A RESIDENT HERE IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON? WHY WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO THIS? I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE.

IT WOULD JUST RUN SOME SIMPLE, SIMPLE NUMBERS.

JUST FOR CONVERSATION.

LET'S JUST SAY $1 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO NEED TO MAKE IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY, WE'LL SAY THAT RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

YOU NEED TO MAKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 25% GROWTH, RIGHT? 75% OF YOUR CITY IS STILL THERE, RIGHT? WITHOUT THE IMPACT FEE, THAT MILLION DOLLARS, 250 BE PAID BY THE DEVELOPER.

THAT WAS 75% WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE EXISTING RESIDENTS, BECAUSE IT WILL BE BASED OFF OF JUST YOUR RATE BASED, PAYING BACK THE BONDS AND STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO GET FOR THAT.

IF YOU GO INTO THE IMPACT FEE, WHAT THAT DOES IS RIGHT OFF THE BAT, DEVELOPERS HAVE TO PAY 50% OF THAT MILLION DOLLARS.

$500,000 IS PULLED OFF OF THAT MILLION DOLLARS AT THE IMPACT FEE BE ACCUSTOMED WOULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

THE REMAINING 50% WOULD BE BROKE UP BETWEEN THE 75 AND THE 25.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTS PAYING APPROXIMATELY 75%, THEY'LL BE PAYING 38%. BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO PAY ON A NEW DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? BUT NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU GO WITH IT, UNLESS YOU STOP DEVELOPMENT AND YOU JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT, THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME INVESTMENT. OKAY, LET'S LET'S BREAK IT DOWN BETWEEN WASTEWATER AND WATER BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE A NEW DEVELOPER COME IN AND PUT HELP PUT THAT PIPE THROUGH.

CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY'VE ACTUALLY TRIED TO GO AROUND US AND GO DIRECTLY TO BWI TO GET THAT PIPE.

SO I KNOW THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY IT, BUT.

SO LET'S TALK.

LET'S JUST WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY IS WASTEWATER.

RIGHT. NO WASTEWATER AND WATER, BUT IN WATER, I THINK WE HAVE A BETTER LEG TO STAND ON WITH THE DEVELOPER.

WOULD YOU WOULD THIS HAMSTRING US IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE NOW WE CAN NEGOTIATE ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT.

BUT ONCE YOU PUT THIS IN PLACE, THEN THEY SAY, NO, THIS IS ALL YOU SAID I HAVE TO DO.

THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO DO CURRENTLY.

RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT WE DO IS YOU'RE COLLECTING $600 PER WATER CONNECTION.

$600 INSTEAD OF PROBABLY CLOSER TO 2400.

3000 THAT WE WOULD DO ON AN IMPACT FEE.

YOU'VE GOT TWO ITEMS. THE ITEMS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT AN ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IN, AND I'M BIDDING ONE RIGHT NOW FOR MANVILLE, A MILLION GALLON STORAGE TANK RIGHT NOW, AS TODAY SITS FROM WHAT WE GOT FROM LANDMARK AND OUR PROJECTIONS JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

JUST NOT ANY BOOSTER PUMPS, NOT ANY TREATMENT, JUST AN ELEVATOR STORAGE TANK AT $7.5 MILLION.

SAME SIZE, SAME SIZE AS THE SOUTH SIDE.

NO, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

IT'S A THIRD BIGGER.

YEAH, ABOUT 250,000 GALLONS BIGGER.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF INVESTMENT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UPSIZE YOUR BOOSTER PUMPS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A BOOSTER PUMP STATION IN.

YOU MAY WANT TO START DIVERSIFYING WITH SOME WELLS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE BOOSTER PUMP BUILDING AT SHENANGO.

YET, YOU KNOW, TO HANDLE ALL THE ALL THE ADDITIONAL FLOWS.

NOW, YOU CAN ONLY YOU CAN'T USE AN IMPACT FEE FOR MAINTENANCE.

SO PROBABLY THE BOOSTER PUMP STATION AT SHENANGO WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR FOR AN IMPACT FEE COST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T UPSIZE ANYTHING.

[02:50:07]

YOU'RE JUST REPLACING AS IS.

BUT THE UPSIZING OF THE BOOSTER PUMPS THAT YOU'VE RECENTLY DONE WOULD BE.

BECAUSE YOU WENT FROM WHAT WAS IT, 400 OR 138? 170. 75 TO 1000 GALLONS.

YEAH. SO YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED SPENDING THAT MONEY THAT YOU COULD CAPTURE IN THESE IMPACT FEES? ON ON JUST TRYING TO KEEP YOUR YOUR BOOSTER PUMP, YOUR YOUR YOUR FLOW, YOUR YOUR CAPACITY AND YOUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

SO IT'S NOT JUST SEWER, IT'S ALSO WATER.

NOW, WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY TOO, BECAUSE WHAT THAT ALSO DOES IS THAT'LL FREE UP MONEY FOR THE CITY TO START DOING MAINTENANCE ON THE EXISTING.

SYSTEMS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE THE IMPACT FEE.

SO IF YOU'RE GETTING THE DEVELOPER TO PAY THAT AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON ALL THIS FUTURE, YOU HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER TO START DOING YOUR SMOKE TESTING AND YOUR SANITARY SEWER REHABILITATION, WHICH NEEDS TO BE DONE.

YOU'VE GOT SINKHOLES DEVELOPING UNDER YOUR ROADWAYS AND FENCES FALLING IN.

AND SO THAT THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THOSE WON'T BE INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE THAT IS MAINTENANCE.

UNLESS WE FIND OUT THAT WE NEED TO UPSIZE A LINE, AND THEN THAT PORTION OF THE UPSIZE CAN BE DONE AS PART OF THE IMPACT FEE.

WHAT'S MORE COSTLY, THE WATER OR THE WASTEWATER? RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE IDENTIFIED FROM ALL THE STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST 12 YEARS AND KNOWING THE CITY, THE VERY FIRST THING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN, AND MORE THAN LIKELY ON THE SANITARY AS FAR AS NEW, IS GOING TO EITHER BE A LIFT STATION OR WON'T BE SO TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE, OR THE NORTH SIDE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND THE NUMBER ON THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS RIGHT, ABOUT 15 MILLION, A LITTLE OVER $15 MILLION, PROBABLY CLOSER TO 16 NOWADAYS.

THE WATER TANK, LIKE I SAID, IS GOING TO BE 7.5.

THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK THAT'S NOT CONSIDERING ANY NEW LINES.

AND YES, WE DO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND DEVELOPERS HAVE ALLOWED US WHEN THEY PUT THESE LINES IN, WE'LL GO AND GET THEM TO DO A, A LINE ITEM FOR UPSIZING THE PIPE TO WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THE SIZE THAT'S IN THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN, THE CURRENT ONE, PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.

SO WE'RE WE'RE PIGGYBACKING ON THEIRS TO GET BENEFIT.

YOU KNOW WE'RE WORKING PARTNERSHIPS.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING OF.

WE ARE DOING THAT CURRENTLY.

RIGHT NOW. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT IS RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE NO MORE WATER COMING FROM BWR.

YOU BOUGHT THE LAST BIT OF THE AVAILABLE WATER.

CORRECT. SO TO GET WATER TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON FROM BWR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PURCHASE OR FIND A PARTNERSHIP OF THREE MGD, 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

I'M SORRY, ACRONYMS ENGINEER.

SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO EITHER THE CITY'S GOT TO TAKE THAT ALL IN OR YOU GOT TO FIND A PARTNER.

SO THAT'S SOME OF THE STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT OF DOING THAT CHRIS HAS BEEN WORKING WITH WITH ENTITIES TRYING TO FIND PARTNERS.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING AROUND TRYING TO FIND PARTNERS WITH THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN, WHICH YOU WERE SPEAKING OF.

SO THERE ARE THOSE THERE, BUT THERE IS INVESTMENT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MADE ON BOTH SIDES WATER AND SEWER.

THAT IT'S EITHER, AS I SAID, JUST THAT ONE EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, EVERY MILLION DOLLARS, IF YOU HAVE A 25% GROWTH, THAT DEVELOPER IS ONLY GOING TO PAY 25%, AND THE REST OF YOUR TAX BASE IS GOING TO PAY THE REMAINDER. AND THAT'S A VERY SIMPLIFIED WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

BUT. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID THE MASTER UTILITY MASTER PLAN 2017? IT'S FIVE YEARS.

SO YOU WANT US TO ESSENTIALLY, THE PITCH YOU'RE MAKING IS TO UPDATE THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN AS A WAY OF IMPLEMENTING A CALF PROGRAM.

RIGHT. THE FIRST PHASE IS DOING A UTILITY MASTER PLAN TO IDENTIFY YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE BASED OFF OF PROJECTIONS THAT WE WORK WITH STAFF, AND WE LOOK AT HISTORICAL DATA.

WE LOOK AT WHAT THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD PROJECTS, THE CITY OF ANGLETON GOING ON.

THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES THAT WE GO AND PROJECT A POPULATION TO WORK WITH STAFF AND WHERE WE'RE SEEING THAT DEVELOPMENT COME IN, AND THEN WE IDENTIFY THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

WATER PRODUCTION, STORAGE, PUMP CAPACITY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP TO BE MEETING PEAK REQUIREMENTS.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 15 ISH, 1500 CONNECTIONS.

[02:55:04]

IS ALL YOU HAVE REMAINING IN YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM.

CAN I JUST JUMP IN? IT'S STATUTORY, SO IT'S NOT.

THE ENGINEER IS COMING AND SAYING LET'S DO THIS.

IT'S THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS IN ORDER TO ADOPT AN IMPACT FEE, THERE ARE A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS TO DO.

AND THIS IS THIS IS THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO DO TO SATISFY THE STATUTE.

IS IT UTILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE.

YES. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO ASK.

WELL, WE HAVE. IT IDENTIFIES THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THIS IDENTIFIES THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BASED OFF OF PROJECTIONS AND MODEL DATA.

SO. GO AHEAD.

NO, YOU'RE ALL GOOD. I WAS JUST.

IF WE WERE TO.

DO THIS. THE FUNDS REQUESTED IS BASICALLY A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS.

WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? MY QUESTION. SO WE'VE ACQUIRED CAPITAL ACQUISITION FEES FROM PAST, PAST AND CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU WITH A.

OPPORTUNITY TO FUND THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO.

I THINK THERE'S LIKE A AND THERE THEY'RE LIKE $1 MILLION OR SOMETHING.

YES, IN CAP CAFES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND SO WE PROPOSE HOW DO WE SPEND THAT? WELL, THAT MONEY PUT ASIDE TO PAY BACK THE DEBT ON THOSE.

THE CAP FOR THE CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE HAS.

YOU'RE THINKING OF THE IMPACT FEES OR THE IMPACT AREAS UP TO THE NORTH? CORRECT. WE'RE STILL COLLECTING THOSE.

THOSE WILL BE DISSOLVED IF WE DO A CITYWIDE.

OKAY. THE CAP FEES ARE PAID.

THE CITY SPENT MONEY TO HAVE THIS CAPACITY.

THESE ARE SEPARATE FROM THE IMPACT AREAS.

RIGHT. SO THE WAY THE DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT WAS, WAS PUT TOGETHER BY BY JUDITH AND THEM IS, IS THAT MONEY'S COMING IN.

YOU CAN USE IT ANYWHERE YOU WANT.

SO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS.

AND WHAT HECTOR AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS YOU'VE COLLECTED THIS MONEY.

WHY NOT USE THAT MONEY TO DRIVE THE FUTURE OF THE CITY FOR THE NEXT FIVE, SIX YEARS? WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

I'M CERTAINLY INTERESTED.

MY MY VOTE WOULD BE DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING I'M INTERESTED IN, WOULD PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BECAUSE I WOULD PREFER TO QUITE HONESTLY, BURDEN PUT A HIGHER BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESIDENTS.

IF THAT WAS MY. THIS IS ESPECIALLY IF THEY CECIL SAYS, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO, YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IF IF IT'S A KNOWN FIGURE AND THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, IT'S NOT HIEROGLYPHICS AND KNOW ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW.

RECENTLY AND WE'RE JUST GOING BACK TO THE MOST RECENT SUBDIVISIONS, EACH ONE OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS, RIVERWOOD RANCH.

RED APPLES. GREYSTONE.

OTHERS. OTHERS AROUND HAVE PAID INTO A CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE.

BOTH WATER FEE AND A SEWER FEE.

SO THOSE ACCOUNTING VECTORS GOT THOSE NUMBERS SET ASIDE SOMEPLACE.

SO THEY WERE THOSE WERE MONIES THAT WERE PAID UP FRONT.

WHEN THEY COME IN TO DEVELOP, THIS IS PART OF DOING BUSINESS HERE AT THE CITY.

AND HERE'S THE THING THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THINK OF DEBT AS A PIE.

RIGHT. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT EVEN WITH THE IMPACT FEE, THE LONGER YOU THE IF THE EARLIER YOU ACT, THE SMALLER THOSE SLICES OF DEBT ARE GOING TO BE TO WHERE IT'S THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE OKAY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH OF A BURDEN THE LONGER YOU WAIT WHERE WE KEEP GETTING PEOPLE COME IN AND DEVELOPERS COMING IN, THEN ONCE YOU YOU CAN'T RETROACTIVE THE IMPACT. SO IF YOU KEEP LETTING DEVELOPERS COME IN, THOSE SLICES OF THE PIE, WHEN YOU DO DECIDE ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER TO WHERE IT MAY BE COST, IT AFFECTS THE COST OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE COMING IN.

IF YOU DO AN IMPACT FEE ASSESSMENT AND ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT.

THE WAY I SEE THIS WILL TELL US TWO THINGS.

WHAT ARE OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS? WE'VE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHAT OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS ARE, BUT OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS ARE BASED UPON WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN TOWN TODAY.

AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR PROJECTED NEEDS BASED UPON THESE AREAS OF GROWTH THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE POTENTIALLY SEE

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HERE IN TOWN. SO WE CAN TELL THE DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY COME IN TO DEVELOP THIS X, Y, Z PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER HERE.

YES. AND BASED UPON THAT, IN A NUMBER OF HOUSES YOU WANT TO BUILD, WE'VE GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS TO OUR SYSTEM TO SUPPORT YOU.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO COST YOU THIS MUCH MONEY TO DO THAT.

RIGHT. AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU LIKE, I LIKE I WAS SPEAKING EARLIER ON THE AMOUNTS THAT EACH CITY IN THE AREA THAT I FOUND, I GOT NINE OF THEM THAT I FOUND.

I JUST KIND OF TOOK AN AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE IMPACT FEE FOR THOSE NINE CITIES.

YOU TAKE THE HIGH, TAKE THE LOW OUT, THROW IT OUT, THEN AVERAGE IT UP AROUND $6,000 FOR THE IMPACT FEE.

THIS COVERS WATER AND SEWER.

WATER AND SEWER. YES, SIR.

SO TAKING A LOOK AT HOW WE CALCULATE THE CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO SLIDE EVERYTHING BACK TO THE DATES THAT IT WAS BORN OR BUILT 1958, 1960S, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE JUST THE AGE OF IT ON, JUST FOR INSTANCE, THE TOMAHAWK DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE ANGLETON BOULEVARD AT DALLAS STREET, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEE WAS $1,800 FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER.

SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE DRIVER FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD AND RELIEVE THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS. I LIKE HOW THERE'S A DIFFERENTIATION OF THE FUNDING FOR THIS WILL NOT BE TAXPAYER FUNDING, IT WILL BE FROM DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY COME.

I LIKE THAT A LOT, AND I WISH THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED SOONER SO THAT.

WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE.

I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST QUESTIONS THAT I'M FACED WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS IS, WHY ARE WE SADDLED WITH THE BURDEN OF DEVELOPMENTS WE REALLY DON'T WANT AS RESIDENTS? SOUNDS LIKE I NEED A MOTION COUNCIL.

WELL, I MEAN, CAN YOU MAKE A MOTION WITHOUT FUNDING? THAT'S MY QUESTION. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION APPROVING WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.

STAFF IS GIVING YOU DIRECTION THAT THEY HAVE THE MONEY AVAILABLE AND THE CALF.

FEES, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WHICH FUND THAT'S SITTING IN RIGHT NOW.

IS IT JUST IN FUND BALANCE? YEP. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE HDR, AN AMOUNT OF $247,700 TO PERFORM THE 2024 UTILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE, AND SAID MONEY TO BE DRAWN FROM OUR ESCROW ACCOUNT ON THE CAFFEINE CAFES.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND, BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL FOR THE APPROVAL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I DON'T WANT TO PICK YOUR PROPOSAL APART.

TOO BAD, BUT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE GATHERING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE THAT YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE.

THERE'S THERE IS INFORMATION ABOUT LIFT STATION CAPACITIES AND AND SUCH AS THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO MAINTAINS OUR GIS SYSTEM, WHERE THE WATER LINES ARE AND THE SIZES OF THEM, BUT THEY Y'ALL BUILT THAT THING FOR US.

SO WE HAVE THE MODEL WE ACTUALLY HAVE WE USE THAT WORKING MODEL.

WE DO DO THAT. A LOT OF THAT THAT GATHERING IS GOING TO BE SIZING IN AREAS THAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR THE FUTURE, FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPECULATED HERE AT A TIME.

TASK NUMBER THREE, WHEN YOU'RE USING A SOFTWARE PROGRAM TO ANALYZE.

THE MODEL UPDATES.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT BE STRAPPED FOR SOME MORE MONEY IF YOUR PROGRAM DOESN'T.

IF IT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED OR SOMETHING TO KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO USE YOUR EXISTING MODEL.

Y'ALL DID IT WITH INFRAWORKS.

IT'S A CURRENT MODEL WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE IT WITH, WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE WILL INCLUDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION, LOOK AT THE LOADING ON THE CITY, AND THEN PROJECT OUT THE FUTURE TO SEE WHAT ALL WE NEED AND WHERE THE BEST BENEFITS ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.

WELL, WHEN YOU SAID THAT INNOVYZE HAS RECENTLY CEASED SUPPORT FOR INFO WATER INFO SEWER IN MORE RECENT

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VERSIONS OF THE SOFTWARE MAY NEED TO BE USED.

THAT'S KIND OF PRICKED A NERVE, I'M THINKING.

WE'RE GOING TO BE STRAPPED FOR SOME MORE COSTS BESIDES YOUR YOUR FEES HERE, BECAUSE THE PROGRAM YOU WANT TO USE DOESN'T WORK ANY LONGER.

I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

CECIL I WILL CHECK, BUT FROM ME TALKING TO THE MODELERS, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE INFRAWORKS BECAUSE IT'S A IT BUILDS ON ITSELF KIND OF LIKE AUTOCAD.

IT BUILDS ON ITSELF WHERE THE LAST VERSION CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN.

IN A NEW VERSION. OKAY, COUNCIL, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. JOHN. STAY UP THERE.

I REMEMBER 20 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING HDR ENGINEERING INC PROPOSAL FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES DESIGN BID AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION PHASE

[20. Discussion and possible action on approving HDR Engineering, INC., proposal for Professional Engineering Services Design, Bid, and Construction Administration Phase Services for 2024 Water Line Improvements.]

SERVICES FOR 2024 WATER LINE IMPROVEMENTS.

YES. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF FOR A WHILE ON IDENTIFYING AREAS WHERE WE ALL HAVE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.

WITH THE DROUGHT THAT'S COME ON AND THE NUMEROUS BREAKS, THE CITY STAFF IS ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED HERE PRETTY, PRETTY SOON. SO THE AREAS THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THIS, IT'S I HAVE IT IN THE IN THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE NORTH ROCK ISLAND EAST MYRTLE NORTH ANDERSON AND MCBRIDE PARKWAY.

THOSE WERE THE PLACES WHERE YOU HAD MULTIPLE BREAKS.

THAT'S WHERE THE CITY STAFF BELIEVES THOSE ARE THE WORST LINES THAT NEED TO COME OUT.

I'VE WORKED WITH HECTOR AND JEFF.

UPON THESE IDENTIFICATIONS.

THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR THOSE AREAS ONLY.

BUT WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT WE'VE WHAT HECTOR REQUESTED AND WE PUT IN HERE ARE THE OTHER WATER LINES THAT THAT KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME WORK IN THE FUTURE.

AND THOSE ARE WHAT'S IN THE BACK.

AND I'M GIVING YOU ROUGH CALCULATIONS AND COSTS AND THE ACTUAL AREAS THAT WILL BE DONE.

THAT'S JUST FOR FUTURE.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST NORTH NORTH ROCK ISLAND, EAST MYRTLE, NORTH ANDERSON AND MCBRIDE PARKWAY.

SO WITH THIS, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL GO, WE'LL GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION.

WE'LL DO SURVEY GEOTECH DO DESIGN, COORDINATE WITH TEXDOT.

THE TIE INS WILL TURN TO TEX DOT RIGHT AWAY.

ACTUALLY, ONE OF THEM WILL BE CROSSING THE TEX DOT RIGHT AWAY AT 35.

WE'LL ALSO WORK WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN APPROVED BY THAT, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME WORK RIGHT THERE THAT'LL PROBABLY BE APPROVED AS PART OF OUR TEX DOT COORDINATION.

FROM THERE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE SERVICES FOR BID PHASE AS USUAL AND THEN CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES.

THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION SERVICES ARE WHAT WE'RE TYPICALLY PROVIDE.

THE CITY, THE CITY STAFF IS PRETTY ROBUST WHEN IT COMES TO DOING THEIR OWN INSPECTION.

WE'LL JUST DO PERIODIC INSPECTIONS TO HELP THEM OUT.

WE'LL ANSWER RFIS.

WE'LL ANSWER SUBMITTALS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT THAT'S THAT IS THE PROJECT THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED OR THOSE STREETS.

AND THIS IS THE PROPOSAL TO DO THOSE THOSE SEVERAL STREETS.

WE DIDN'T JUST OVERLAY MCBRIDE, RIGHT? WE JUST DID SHADY LANE.

WE SKIPPED MCBRIDE.

I DIDN'T FEEL REALLY.

YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY IT DID.

WE ABOUT TO TEAR IT UP.

NO NO NO NO.

DOWN THE RIGHT AWAY. IT'LL BE TRENCHLESS TECHNOLOGY BORDERING TO WHERE WE DON'T EVEN TEAR UP THE YARDS OF THEM RECEIVING PITS AND WHERE THE SERVICE LINES COME IN SO WE WON'T TEAR UP THE DRIVEWAYS.

NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.

THERE'LL BE SOME, BUT NOTHING MAJOR.

IT'LL BE LIKE JUST ENOUGH TO MOVE THE ORDERING MACHINE.

BUT IT WON'T BE LIKE AN EXCAVATOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. YEAH. I GUESS I GET.

I'M GOING TO ASK THE MAGIC QUESTION AGAIN.

AND FUNDS REQUEST 109,000 BUDGET AMOUNT.

DOWN AN INCREASE IN THE UTILITY REVENUE.

THAT'S ALSO THE REASON WHY WE ADDED ALL THE WATER LINES ON THERE.

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO ALL OF THEM THIS YEAR, BUT JUST TO SHOWCASE THE UTILITY INCREASE AND WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING WITH IT FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

OKAY. DOES THIS BUILD ON ITSELF? MEANING. SO WE START WITH THESE 1234 ROADS HERE.

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DO THEY BUILD TO ANOTHER NEXT YEAR WHERE WE CONTINUE TO AND TO IMPROVE LIKE A WATERLINE PROGRAM? THAT'S THE PLAN IS WE'LL KEEP DOING A ROLLING.

I MEAN, DO THEY CONNECT TO EACH OTHER.

SO IF WE DO THIS ROAD, DOES IT CONNECT TO THE NEXT ROAD, NEXT PIECE.

RIGHT. THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE.

BUT RIGHT NOW THE MAIN GOAL IS TO TAKE OUT LINES AND SERVICE.

TAKE TAKE LINES OUT OF SERVICE THAT ARE PROBLEM ROADS.

SO IT MAY NOT BE JUST RIGHT BACK THERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE THOSE LISTS OF STREETS THAT ARE IN THE BACK THAT THAT ARE CAUSING, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PROBLEMS. I'M JUST WORRIED THAT WE FIXED ONE AREA AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUSH IT TO THE NEXT ONE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO REGROUP.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO DO ANYWAYS.

BUT I KNOW WE HAVE THE GIS AND WE KNOW HOW OLD THESE LINES ARE, HOW HOW BIG THEY ARE.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER AREAS AROUND THESE THAT COULD BE EXPANDED IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD PROJECT THERE? ANDERSON STREET IS GOING TO GOING TO AND ANDERSON, WHICH ONE IS ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO TIE INTO CEDAR STREET.

WHICH ONE IS THAT? RIGHT.

THAT'S CEDAR STREET IS A FUTURE.

A FUTURE PROJECT OF ITS OWN.

LIVELY STREETS IS ON AN INCH AND A QUARTER GALVANIZED LINES, AND YOU CAN STICK YOUR FINGER IN THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY THESE STREETS.

ONCE YOU HAVE PRESSURE.

SO. SO THAT'S WHY SOME OF THESE WAS PICKED.

AND WE ALSO HAD LEAD COPPER AND START CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON MATERIAL THESE LINES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE.

OKAY. COUNCIL.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH FOR APPROVAL.

FUNDING COMING FROM.

THE FUND BALANCE.

FUND BALANCE UNTIL THE REVENUE FUND BALANCE.

UTILITY. OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THIS IS FOR.

THIS IS FOR 20 2324.

YES YES, YES.

WE ASK THAT FOR THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE YOU INCLUDE IN YOUR BUDGET.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE QUESTION WHETHER THIS MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM.

THIS IS JUST TWO ITEMS SO FAR TONIGHT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGETED LINE ITEM FOR.

WE NEED TO BE WE NEED TO BE EXPLAINED IN THE FUTURE WHERE THIS MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM TO TO BE SPENT.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NUMBER 21.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING HDR ENGINEERING, INC PROPOSAL FOR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE 2023 STREET CONDITION ASSESSMENT UPDATE.

[21. Discussion and possible action on approving HDR Engineering, INC., proposal for Professional Engineering Services for the 2023 Street Condition Assessment Update.]

YES, COUNCIL, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING OFF OF THE 2017 ASSESSMENT THAT THE CITY PUT TOGETHER A BOARD OR COMMITTEE THAT TOOK THE RAW DATA, LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT IMPACTS, AND CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION LIST OF STREETS THAT WE WANTED TO HIT.

THE CITY HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.

THEY'VE CONTINUED THE ASPHALT OVERLAY PROGRAM WITH THE COUNTY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, AND HAS REALLY DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB ON THAT.

WE'VE ALSO BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN DOING A LOT OF PAVING PROJECTS AND A LOT OF CONCRETE PAVING AND DRAINAGE.

SO LOOKING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

WE'RE A LITTLE OVER FIVE YEARS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT TO GO BACK AND REEVALUATE THE ROADWAY SYSTEMS NOW AND SEE, BECAUSE THE ROADS DON'T DETERIORATE AT THE SAME SPEED OR SAME LEVEL.

IT'S ALL DEPENDING ON LOADING.

WHAT KIND OF DRAINAGE YOU HAVE.

ONE COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER THAN LAST TIME AND THEY COME DOWN FASTER.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS UPDATE THE LIST, COME UP WITH A NEW RATING, COME UP WITH A COST FOR THESE STREETS AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO WHERE WE CAN START THAT PROCESS AGAIN OF COORDINATING WITH AFFECTED RESIDENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STREET PROJECTS, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.

I FORGOT ALSO WAS PART OF THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE GIS WITH ALL THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE COME IN AND PUT IN ROADS.

THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS PROCESS TOO.

SO THAT IS PART OF YOUR CATALOG OF YOUR ROADWAYS.

A LOT'S CHANGED SINCE 2017.

AS A PART OF THIS. DO YOU OWN SOME OF THE BUSIEST?

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DO YOU USE ANY TRAFFIC COUNTS OR NOT? NO, SIR. THIS IS BASED OFF OF JUST A VISUAL INSPECTION, JUST TO SEE HOW TORN UP THE STREET IS.

AND. YES, SIR, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE YOU GET YOUR COMPLAINTS IS, HEY, THIS STREET IS PRETTY BAD.

WHAT WE DO IS WE'LL ASSIGN ONE PERSON TO DO THE WHOLE CITY TO WHERE EVERYTHING IS KIND OF RELATIVE.

YOU'LL SEE, HEY, THIS STREET IS BAD VERSUS THIS STREET.

WE'LL GIVE A RATING AND BASE THE RATING OFF OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF CRACKING OR DIFFERENT FAILURES, DIFFERENT LOADINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND COME UP WITH A LIST OF THESE ARE YOUR HIGHEST ROADS WITH DETERIORATION, YOU KNOW, OR X, Y AND Z.

THERE MAY BE, JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME, THERE WERE ROADS THAT WERE RATED TEN THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE SOME OF THE ROADS RATED 9 OR 8 HAD MORE IMPACTS TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO THOSE GOT MOVED UP.

SO YOU WANTED MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.

RICHMOND STREET IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.

THAT WAS A CUT THROUGH STREET.

IT WASN'T ONE OF THE WORST RATED ONES, BUT IT HAD THE MOST IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WAS IDENTIFIED BY THAT COMMITTEE TO ELEVATE THAT UP IN.

WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST, RECOMMEND WHAT DO WE SAY THE STREETS THAT YOU SEE THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYBODY SEES ARE DETERIORATING AND ARE HIGHLY TRAVELED.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO FLOAT TO THE TOP BECAUSE THE MORE TRAFFIC, THE MORE THEY'RE GOING TO DETERIORATE.

IF THEY'RE ALREADY STARTED DETERIORATING, THEY'RE GOING TO DETERIORATE MORE RAPIDLY.

BUT I DON'T KNOW.

THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE GOING TO HAVE CHANGED MUCH SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU DID IT.

BUT I DO THINK TRAFFIC COUNTS NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WE WE DID NOT USE TRAFFIC COUNTS IN THE LAST ONE.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

THAT'S NOT A PART OF THIS, BUT SOME OF IT IS JUST SOMEWHAT SUBJECTIVE.

BUT IT'S TO WHERE YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT SUBJECTIVELY, AS YOU SAID, AS A GUY THAT'S BEEN TRAINED TO DO THAT PARTICULAR ASSESSMENT AND USE THE RELATIVE DETERIORATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IT WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL IF YOU HAD TWO GUYS, BECAUSE WHAT ONE GUY MAY SAY IS AN EIGHT, THE OTHER GUY MAY SAY IS A SIX.

SO YOU YOU'RE KEEPING IT.

YOU'RE KEEPING SOME KIND OF CONSISTENCY IN THE IN THE RATINGS.

AND IT'S A VISUAL RATING.

REMEMBER THE LAST TIME Y'ALL DID THIS IN THE COMMITTEE? WE HAD A LOT OF, I GUESS, DISCUSSION AND I GUESS SOMETIMES DISAGREEMENTS ON THE RATINGS OF THOSE STREETS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IT GAVE US A GUIDELINE TO USE AT THAT TIME.

THE. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, THERE ARE SOME STREETS WHERE IF YOU'RE ON THE FRONT OF THAT STREET, IT LOOKS GREAT.

YOU DRIVE DOWN TO THE END.

IT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE PROBLEMS OR YOU DRIVE THROUGH TO THE NEXT STREET.

THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE CONNECTION ISSUES.

WHEN YOU RATE A STREET, ARE YOU RATING THE WHOLE STREET OR ARE YOU RATING JUST THE FRONT OF IT? AND REALLY IT'S IT'S ALL ABOUT TRASH TRUCKS.

AND THERE WE'LL BE HONEST, IT'S THE TRASH TRUCKS AND THEIR PROCESS OF GOING ABOUT PICKING UP TRASH.

THAT'S USUALLY THE BIG PROBLEM.

RIGHT. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH THAT PROBLEM.

RIGHT. WELL, WE DO IS WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENTIRE STREET AND WE LOOK AT THIS.

IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD OUR WE NEED TO REPLACE 20% OF THIS ROAD.

RIGHT. THAT THAT MEANS THAT THIS IS A LEVEL FOUR VERSUS IF WE NEED 40% OF THE ROAD, THAT'S NOW A LEVEL FIVE.

IF IT GETS OVER LIKE 60% OF THE ROAD AT THAT POINT, IT'S NOT COST BENEFICIAL TO DO POINT REPAIRS.

IT'S JUST BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND REDO THE ROADWAY.

OKAY. WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM? IT'S NOT COMFORTING.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET.

WE DIDN'T PUT ANY PROJECT MONEY OR ENGINEERING DESIGN IN THE BUDGET.

SO. WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE UNLESS WE WANT TO GO OUT FOR THIS $11 MILLION.

AND THAT IS A PROJECT.

HE'S IN THERE AND THEN WE CAN START THE PROJECT.

THEN ONCE WE RECEIVE THE FUNDING.

IN OPTION IS WITH THE PACKAGE TOO.

WE DID COME UNDER BUDGET ON THAT AND WE COULD A LOT FOR THAT OUT OF THIS.

IT JUST MEANS WE DON'T DO A ROAD REPAIR.

YES. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW ON ROADS, AS ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE ON ALL THESE, BUT ALSO THE DETERIORATION, SOME MAY HAVE DETERIORATED FASTER THAN OTHERS.

YOU KNOW, ONE THAT MAY HAVE HAD A RATING OF A 5TH MAY NOW BE ALL THE WAY UP TO AN EIGHT BY NOW.

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SO AND THE REASON WHY I BRING IT FORWARD IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE BONDING AND ROADS AND WHATEVER.

WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT RIGHT AND HAVE HAVE DOCUMENTATION TO GIVE US, GUIDE US TOWARD A DECISION.

$7,000 IS NOT GOING TO FIX MUCH OF A STREET.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

WHAT'S THE CHUMP CHANGE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? BUILDING UP A STREET OR SOMETHING.

WHAT'S LEFT? YOU SAID YOU'RE UNDER BUDGET. I THOUGHT WE USED.

WE CAME BACK AND DID A CHANGE ORDER TO UTILIZE SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT WAS ON THE STREET MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

SO THAT'S BEEN ALLOTTED FOR.

WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN A PROBABLE COST ALREADY ON PACKAGE THREE, NORTH PARISH, SILVER SADDLE.

AND THOSE ARE ALL THE OBLIGATIONS OUT OF THAT.

THIS ALL CAME AFTER STREET BOND PACKAGE TWO WAS ALREADY A PROJECT THAT WAS ALREADY STARTED, BUT WE CAME UNDER BUDGET ON THAT I BELIEVE.

YEAH, CLOSE TO $207,000.

WE CAME UNDER BUDGET ON THAT.

SO THERE'S. YEAH.

AND THE COURTHOUSE, THERE WAS SAVINGS ON THE COURTHOUSE AS WELL.

SO FUNDINGS THERE FOR IT.

YOU HEARD HIM. COUNCIL. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO FIX IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BROKEN.

I MEAN, I CAN DRIVE AROUND TOWN.

YOU'RE NOT. BUT THERE'S SOME INITIALS BEHIND YOUR NAME, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE.

JOHN SAID HE'LL DO IT FOR FREE.

I THINK ANYBODY CAN DO THIS.

WE'LL SEE. WHERE DOES GIFFORD LANE FALL IN ALL THIS? I DEFINITELY WALK THAT STREET.

COUNCIL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE HDR FOR AN AMOUNT OF 37,000 TO PERFORM THE 2023 STREET CONDITION ASSESSMENT UPDATE.

CAN I ASK FOR A FUNDING SOURCE? WE ASKED YOU. WHAT WAS YOUR BUDDY? WHAT WAS YOUR PLAN? THE MOST RECENT STREET BOND THAT WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING THAT I'M NOT SURE ON THE NUMBER ON THAT ONE, BUT STREET BOND, IF THAT'S LEGAL.

OKAY. OUT OF THE STREET BOND.

THE 2017 STREET BOND.

TO BE SPECIFIC.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THIS SO WE CAN REALLY TALK ABOUT.

OKAY. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR APPROVAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $37,225.

PULLING THE FUNDING FROM THE 2017 STREET BOND.

A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS YOUR MOTION, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY.

DID YOU WANT? YES, SIR.

SECOND, DAD. WHATEVER.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WANTED. YOU SAID YOU SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION, I THOUGHT YOU.

NO, NO, NO. OKAY.

WE DIDN'T. WE WERE TALKING.

NO. YOU'RE FINE. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 22.

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING THE AUTHORIZATION TO PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO PURCHASE HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER

[22. Discussion and possible action on approving the authorization of the Public Works department to purchase heavy equipment and approving Resolution No. 20231114-022 authorizing the City Manager to enter into a financing agreement with Government Capital Corporation for the purpose of purchasing the equipment.]

20231114-22, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A FINANCING AGREEMENT WITH GOVERNMENT CAPITAL CORPORATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF PURCHASING THE EQUIPMENT.

SO GOING BACK TO WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, YOU KNOW, WE REQUESTED A GRADE ALL.

WE HAD IT IN THERE AS A AS A PACKAGE ITEM.

YOU KNOW, THE PRICE OF THE GRADE ALL IS $511,000.

WE STARTED EXPLORING SOME OTHER OPTIONS, JUST THINKING OF DIFFERENT THINGS BASED ON SEVERAL FACTORS OF TRYING TO KIND OF MOVE AWAY FROM THE GRADE.

ALL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING QUALIFIED OPERATORS TO USE THE EQUIPMENT, NUMBER ONE, AND THEN ALSO THE COST OF IT KNOW. SO WHAT WE FOUND IS THERE'S AN EQUIVALENT OF A GRADE.

ALL OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WHEELED EXCAVATOR.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH ANY OF THOSE VIDEOS, BUT, YOU KNOW, VERY SIMILAR AND CAN DO ANYTHING TO GRADE ALL DOES.

AND BUT IT OPERATES AS A, AS A TRACKHOE, ESSENTIALLY.

SO THAT GIVES US MANY QUALIFIED OPERATORS FOR THAT.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN OPENS UP, OPENS UP SOME DOORS FOR US.

AND ALSO HAVING THE OTHER EXTRA PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR LESS OF THE COST OF THE GRADE WILL ALSO GIVE US MORE VERSATILITY, GIVING US A LARGER TRACKHOE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MUCH NEEDED DOWN THERE FOR US.

CURRENT GRADE I WAS PURCHASED IN 2007.

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IT'S KIND OF TIME TO MOVE ON FROM THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

WE'VE SPENT $73,000 IN REPAIRS IN THE PAST THREE YEARS ON IT, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSE AS A DEPARTMENT.

YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WOULD RATHER HAVE THESE TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT VERSUS PURCHASING ANOTHER GRADE.

ALL BUT AREN'T THE AREN'T THE TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT YOU'RE PROPOSING NOT LIKING KIND COMPARED TO THE GRADE ALL KNOW A GRADE ALL IS A VERY UNIQUE NO NO NO NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN M 320 F, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS A WHEELED EXCAVATOR, THE OTHER IS A 308 WHICH IS RUBBER TRACKED.

CORRECT. SO YOU'RE WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GETTING TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT GETTING TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE GOING TO DIRECTLY REPLACE THE GRADE.

ALL BECAUSE THE REACH ON YOUR 308 IS NOT EQUIVALENT TO THE GRADE AT ALL, OR THE 320 YOU'VE GOT LIKE A WHAT, A 30, 30.5FT REACH ON THAT, ON THE ON THE GRADE OF 30.5FT.

AND IT'S THE SAME ON THE 320 F.

SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY GETTING TO LIKE IN-KIND PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WITH CAPACITY.

AND YOU'RE ALSO I MEAN, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING IN THERE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT HAD ALL THE GRADING EQUIPMENT THAT YOU WOULD, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE.

I MEAN, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY DOWN THERE WITH A GRADE ROD OR SOMETHING.

YEAH. YEAH.

THAT YOU'LL THAT YOU'LL RUN ON A BUCKET.

NO, NO, NOT ON THE BUCKET.

WE RUN IT ON THE GROUND IN, MARK EVERYTHING OUT AND COME UP WITH THE GRADES.

AND THEN THEY GO AND CUT. THE OPERATOR GOES THROUGH AND CUTS THE DITCH BASED ON THOSE GRADES THAT ARE CALCULATED.

LEE STEEL, I MEAN.

WAS DOING THAT 20 YEARS AGO.

GIVEN YOU HAD A PERFECT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, HOW MANY DAYS OF THE YEAR WOULD YOU USE THIS THING? ANY DAY WE POSSIBLY COULD.

FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

I NEED A NUMBER OF DAYS THAT YOU WOULD BE USING THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

I'D SAY PROBABLY AT LEAST 150 WORKING DAYS.

EASY. JUST BASED ON WORKLOAD AND WEATHER.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE PLAN OF GETTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT YOU.

WE HAVE MORE OPERATORS THAT WE COULD USE FOR IT.

GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE VERSATILITY WITH THAT IN THAT FACTOR.

SO WE PLAN TO USE IT MORE.

YES WE KNOW WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF DITCHES THAT NEED TO BE GRADED AND CUT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THIS ONE? IT'S A SIZABLE.

INVESTMENT. THE.

THE PROPOSAL FROM GOVERNMENT CAPITAL IS TO PURCHASE PAY FOR BOTH OF THESE EITHER OVER FIVE YEARS OR SEVEN YEARS.

AND ONE OF THE REASON WE'RE WE TALKED TO THE GOVERNMENT CAPITAL IS THEY WILL ALLOW US TO DEFER THE FIRST PAYMENT FOR A YEAR FROM THE DATE WE SIGN THE LOAN.

SO WE WOULD NOT BE MAKING ANY PAYMENTS ON THESE UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 2425.

OKAY. AND THEN LET'S SAY IT'S A FIVE YEAR.

WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE OUT THE FIRST YEAR WE PAY IN.

LET'S SAY WE SIGN IT TOMORROW.

A YEAR FROM NOW WE'D HAVE TO PAY 108,000.

AND THEN FOR THE FOLLOWING FIVE YEARS.

YES. AND ONCE YOU START, YOU PAY.

YES. SEVEN YEARS IS WHAT, 75? SEVEN YEARS IS 81,000.

HOW ARE WE CUTTING TODAY? RIGHT NOW. IF SOMEBODY NEEDED THEIR THEIR DITCH CUT, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE WOULD USE OUR CURRENT GRADE ALL, WHICH IS THE LAST TIME WE HAD TO DO REPAIRS ON.

IT WAS IN JULY.

THAT WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS DOWN.

BUT OUR OUR PRIMARY OPERATOR FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS ACTUALLY RETIRING IN JANUARY.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

IT'S UNFAIR TO ASSUME THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN'T LEARN TO RUN THE GRADE.

ALL WE HAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT CAN OPERATE IT, BUT HE PRIMARILY DOESN'T DO IT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LEARNING CURVE FOR HIM OBVIOUSLY.

BUT YOU KNOW WE'LL GET IT DONE.

BUT IT'S JUST FOR HIM.

IT'LL TAKE HIM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO GET USED TO IT.

WHAT WHAT WHAT WERE THE PREVIOUS REPAIRS ON THE GRADE? ALL. I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS, BUT I KNOW ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE ONES WAS WHEN THEY HAD TO REPLACE A LOT OF THE PISTONS ON THE ROTATOR,

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ON THE ARM THAT ROTATES OUT OF THERE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE REPAIRS THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY.

OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S JUST VARIOUS MAINTENANCE THINGS.

OTHER PISTONS ALONG THOSE LINES.

I'M NOT SURE EVERY MOTOR WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT HAD TO BE DONE.

HOW MUCH MOTOR WORK? MOSTLY THE ROLLER ACCORDING TO ARMS OUT JUST AND CYLINDERS.

UH. IT JUST WORE OUT.

GOT A LOT OF SLACK.

NOW, THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, WE WOULD PROBABLY STILL USE TEARING HOUSES DOWN IF WE EVER DO THAT OR STILL USE IT ON SOME JOBS, UNLESS WE JUST TRADE IT IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO TRADE IT IN.

WHEN? WHEN WE GOT THIS EQUIPMENT, A LOT OF STUFF WAS TOOK OFF OF IT SO THE CITY COULD AFFORD.

BRADY WAS, TOOK OFF THE STABILIZERS AND TOOK OFF.

EVERYTHING WAS TOOK OFF OF THIS MACHINE.

WHEN WE FIRST GOT IT.

THE NEW MACHINE TO HAVE STABILIZERS, EVERYTHING ON IT WHERE WE CAN SET AND HAVE A BLADE ON IT WHERE WE CAN BACK.

YEAH, I WENT THROUGH THE PROPOSAL PRETTY WELL.

I SAW THAT ON THE SMALLER UNIT YOU HAVE TWO BUCKETS, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE ARTICULATED KNUCKLE ON BOTH OF THEM.

IT'S WILD TO ME THAT YOU'D WANT A WHEELED EXCAVATOR OVER A GREAT OL FOR THIS TASK, THOUGH I ALWAYS SAW AN EXCAVATOR AS SOMETHING I USED IN A PINCH TO CUT TO CUT A LONG DITCH, NOT SOMETHING I UTILIZED PRIMARILY.

SO THAT'S JUST ME.

VISITED THE CITY OF FRIENDSWOOD AND LEAGUE CITY THAT HAVE THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND TALK TO THEIR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS.

AND AND THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE GOT FROM THEM, IS THAT THEY'RE PRIMARILY USING THESE NOW VERSUS THEIR CRADLES THAT THEY HAVE.

SO. DID THEY HAVE A GREAT OLD ONE? SO WE CAN ASK, IS THE IS THE CURRENT GRADE ALL GOING TO STAY IN OPERATION? YES. NO REASON TO TAKE IT OUT, RIGHT? NO REASON TO TAKE IT OUT.

AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE LOOK AT TOO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, FOR STORM PURPOSES, I MEAN, IF WE'RE DOING A LOT OF DEBRIS CLEANUP, I MEAN, HAVING THE GRADE, ALL THE WHEELED EXCAVATOR AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE STATIONED IS TRACKING THEIR, THEIR DEBRIS SITE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT'LL REALLY HELP US OUT A LOT.

DO YOU NEED TO HAVE TO? SO, YOU KNOW, IN ALL HONESTY, WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO PURCHASE ANOTHER EXCAVATOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO.

ANYWAYS, SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF JUST FIGURED, HEY, LET'S TRY TO GO COME IN HERE AND GET, YOU KNOW, TWO FOR THE BANG OF THE BUCK, YOU KNOW, GO BIG OR GO HOME.

RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, YES, REPLACING THE GRAY DOOR IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL.

YOU KNOW, IT'LL HURT A LITTLE BIT IF WE DON'T GET BOTH.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAINTAIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR SO WHERE WE STORE IT, WE WILL STORE IT UNDER ONE OF THOSE INSIDE THAT BARN POLE BARN WE HAVE OVER THERE, THAT ONE THAT WE BUILT.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PLANNING ON BUILDING ANOTHER ONE NEXT TO IT, SO WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO STORE IT.

IF WE CONSIDERED LEASING THEM WHEN WE NEED THEM, RATHER THAN PURCHASING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

SO AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON OUR DRAINAGE CURRENTLY.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE ALMOST A DAILY TASK FORCE IS GOING OUT THERE AND REGRADING DITCHES AND CLEANING THINGS OUT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK LEASING IS A VERY GOOD OPTION.

YOU KNOW, WE DID TRY GOING THROUGH A ENTERPRISE, YOU KNOW, FOR PIECES OF EQUIPMENT LIKE THIS.

THEY JUST DON'T THEY DON'T OFFER IT.

YOU DON'T. YOU WOULD LEASE IT FROM CAT.

YOU WOULDN'T LEASE IT FROM ENTERPRISE.

YEAH. SO I JUST THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IT THAT MUCH YOU MIGHT AS WELL PURCHASE IT.

WELL, MY CONCERN IS IT SITS OVER THERE HALF THE TIME AND IT'S NOT USED.

AND I'M PAYING FOR IT TO SIT IN SIT IN THE SHED.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT WHEN IT'S RAINING OR IT'S BEEN RAINING FOR WEEKS AND IT'S MUDDY.

NOBODY WORKS THAT TIME.

BUT IT'S. I MEAN, IT'S.

DID THIS SUMMER IN A DROUGHT.

WE DIDN'T USE IT MUCH.

WE HAD EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WE HAD DIGGING MAIN LINES, WATER LINE BREAKS.

I MEAN, I THINK WE ENDED UP 312 AND THREE MONTHS.

AND THIS YEAR WE FELL BACK ON DIGGING.

BUT OTHER THAN EXCAVATING DITCHES, WHAT CAN THIS MACHINE.

I LOOKED AT THE VIDEO.

IT WAS TOO FANCY FOR ME.

I JUST WANTED TO. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING UP CLOSE, AND IN A LOT OF WAYS IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A THAN A THREE THAN A 320 CAT.

IT'S JUST IT DOESN'T THE DRIVES ACTUALLY TIRES AS OPPOSED TO TRACKS OKAY.

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THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENCE.

THERE IS ATTACHMENT. YOU GET LOWER.

YOU PUT INTO ZONING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

ATTACHMENTS. YEAH MULTIPLE USE.

BUT THE SMALLER EQUIPMENT SAY AS THAT SAME THING.

WELL, WE'LL SAY THE CURRENT RATE IS 25 YEARS OR 15 YEARS NOW.

SO 15 YEARS LIFESPAN SO FAR.

AND HOW MUCH? SO BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN BOOTH ASKED, AND I THINK I'LL ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY.

CURRENTLY THE CURRENT RATE ALL YOU HAVE.

HOW MANY DAYS OF OPERATION DOES IT GET IN THE YEAR? CURRENTLY? THIS PAST YEAR.

IF YOU HAD TO LOOK BACK, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU USED IT? MAYBE YOU LOOK AT IT IN A MONTH.

HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT BEEN UTILIZED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS? DURING THE DRY SEASON, LET'S SAY 10 TO 12 TIMES, 10 TO 12 DAYS.

YEAH. BACK.

WE'RE GOING TO START TESTING CASES THREE TOMORROW.

SO. YEAH.

I MEAN, MY OPINION IS.

YOU NEED TWO OF THEM, BUT YOU KNOW.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY FRUGAL WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

I WOULD SAY ONE, AND YOU DON'T MAKE THE FIRST PAYMENT TILL NEXT YEAR, THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE IT.

RIGHT. SO IT SHOULD BE ABOUT OVER SEVEN YEARS 40, 40,000 NEXT YEAR 42,000.

JUST SAYING. MAYBE THEY.

CHARGE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FEE.

UH, PROBABLY ABOUT 40,000 OVER SEVEN YEARS.

THAT GIVES YOU SOME COMPLIMENT TO THE CURRENT GRADLE.

IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE AND YOU'RE NEEDING TO CUT DITCHES AND DO A LOT MORE WORK, I MEAN, YOU'VE JUST DOUBLED YOUR CAPACITY.

SO YOUR OUTPUT.

SO. MY OTHER QUESTION IS REALLY? FOR PHIL. WHY WOULD WE BE GOING THROUGH? THE GOVERNMENT CAPITAL CORPORATION IS THAT IS THAT A BETTER INTEREST RATE WE'RE GOING TO GET IS THE.

THE VENDOR PROPOSED LIKE A SIX POINT, HE HAS A 6.7% AS OPPOSED TO FIVE AND SOME CHANGE.

AND I DID TALK TO ANOTHER LENDER AND THEY WERE OVER 6%.

GOVERNMENT CAPITAL IS WE'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH THEM BEFORE AND.

I'VE WORKED WITH THEM IN OTHER CITIES AND THERE THEY ARE USUALLY PRETTY COMPETITIVE.

OKAY. WHEN YOU SPOKE, WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT, I GUESS YOU SAID YOU HAD SPOKE WITH LEAGUE CITY.

IS THIS WHAT THEY'RE RUNNING SPECIFICALLY? THEY'RE NOT EXCLUSIVE ON IT YET, BUT THEY'RE JUST GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE STARTING TO USE IT MORE THAN THE GRADLE AT THIS POINT.

THEY'RE JUST GETTING MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT GETTING.

I HAVEN'T COMPLETELY CUT OFF THE GRADLE.

THEY STILL USE IT IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, BUT THEY SAID MORE THAN 50% OF THE TIME.

NOW THEY'RE TAKING THAT OUT WHEN THEY HAVE TRADED JOBS TO GO DO.

WELL, HERE'S HERE'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS STUFF.

PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO TO TOSS THE OLDER EQUIPMENT TO THE SIDE.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY COME WITH REPAIR COSTS.

BUT THE COST OF NEW EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE TOO.

AND WITH NEW EQUIPMENT COMES A TIER FIVE EMISSIONS.

IT COMES DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID, IT COMES SCR, DPF AND RELIABILITY.

POTENTIAL RELIABILITY ISSUES.

WHICH MEANS YOU'VE GOT A LAND DOG COMING TO PICK YOUR STUFF UP AND DRAG IT BACK TO CAT.

SO THESE ARE THINGS I THINK NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL, BECAUSE IN A LOT OF CASES, I'D RATHER HAVE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEEN REBUILT 2 OR 3 TIMES.

THAT IS, PRIOR TO ALL OF THOSE ADD ONS.

THERE'S A REASON THE GREAT DOLL IS AS OLD AS IT IS.

YEAH, WE GOT IT.

WE STILL GOT DVD OR WHATEVER IT IS.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE. WELL. AND I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT THIS, THAT THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WILL LAST AS LONG AS THE GREAT WALL HAS.

AND I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, AS COUNSEL YOU WANT US TO GO IS PURCHASE ANOTHER GRIDDLE, THEN I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PURCHASED ANOTHER GRADER.

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I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S JUST TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WHAT YOU WHAT YOU HAVE, THOUGH IT MAY BE OLD, ISN'T EXACTLY BAD.

WELL, I CAN'T SEE BUYING TWO TWO NEW PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

HOW MANY DUMP TRUCKS DO YOU HAVE? UH. JUST ONE. SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T DIG WITH ONE MACHINE AT A TIME.

YOU KNOW? I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST GOING DUMP IT IN THE STREET.

NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN A DUMP TRUCK.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO USE ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AT A TIME TO DIG.

UNLESS YOU GO LEASE A DUMP TRUCK TO WORK WITH THE OTHER ONE.

WELL, THE OTHER ONE WOULD JUST BE MOSTLY PRIVATELY USED FOR EXCAVATION.

SO PARIS PULLS TO THE SIDE AND COVER IT BACK UP WHEN WE'RE DONE.

IT'S JUST A LARGER EXCAVATOR THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

WHICH OF THE TWO WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE? THE WHEELED EXCAVATOR, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, IN A SENSE, REPLACE THE GRAYDAL COMPLIMENT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT.

WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO WITH THIS BESIDES JUST DRIVING ALONG THE STREET AND SCOOPING OUT THE DITCH? YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BLADE ON THE FRONT? WE COULD USE IT FOR DIFFERENT ANYTIME WE NEED TO DO SOME GRADING ACROSS, MAYBE OTHER EXCAVATIONS WE'VE DONE.

IF WE HAVE LARGER EXCAVATIONS, WE CAN UTILIZE IT.

YOU KNOW, AS JEFF HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS WE CAN DO WITH IT.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE TO BUY ATTACHMENTS FOR IT, BUT I MEAN, IT HAS NO STANDARDS.

DOES A STANDARD PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU BUY WITHOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF ADD ONS AND STUFF, WHAT CAN YOU DO BESIDES DIGGING IN THE DITCH THAT'S DIGGING THE DITCH AND EXCAVATING AND THAT'S GRADING WITH THE BLADE.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALL IT IS.

IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BLADE AND IT HAS THE ARM TO EXCAVATE IN.

IT HAS THE ARTICULATING KNUCKLES.

SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY CUT GRADES AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT ITS PRIMARY FUNCTION IS.

CAN I GRADE A SOCCER FIELD.

IT'S VERY POSSIBLE.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRACKED.

IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S GENERALLY NOT AT ITS BEST.

OFFER IT. RIGHT.

WELL. COUNCIL. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE BEST PART OF THIS AGENDA.

SO. YOU KNOW.

I DIDN'T PUT IT TOGETHER.

I JUST WORRY ABOUT HOW LONG THESE THINGS LAST.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN YEAR NOTES ON A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT MIGHT BE YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING TO GET RID OF IT IN SEVEN YEARS.

YOU ALSO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF YOU CAN GET PARTS FOR THE GREAT HALL TO YOU MAINTAIN IT.

YOU GET SEVEN YEARS OUT OF IT, YOU GOT TO RESELL VALUE, MOST LIKELY.

YEAH. THAT'S YOURS.

THAT'S TRUE. AS OPPOSED TO LEASING IT AND THEN JUST NOT HAVING ANY.

AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY DEAL WITH LEASING.

I WANT TO BUY SOMETHING BECAUSE THEN IN A PINCH I CAN SELL IT.

YEAH. PURCHASING SOMETHING.

LIKE OTHER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS.

THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE ON THE ROAD DOING, DOING WORK.

SITTING IN, SITTING IN THE YARD DOESN'T LOOK GOOD TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC HAS SPENT THEIR TAX DOLLARS BUYING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD TO PITCH MADE TO US ABOUT BUYING IT.

IT NEEDS TO BE BEING WORKED WHENEVER IT CAN.

WELL UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT COMES UP PRETTY REGULARLY IS DITCH CLEAN OUT.

AND I KNOW, I KNOW, YOU HEAR IT AND I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.

NO, WE WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM JUSTIFYING NEW EQUIPMENT IF IT'S WORN OUT AND ALL OUR DISHES ARE IN TIP TOP SHAPE.

COUNCILOR. DO I HAVE ACTION OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT? WAIT ON WHAT? DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.

YOU TABLE IT. I'LL TABLE IT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.

I'VE GOT OTHER THINGS TO DISCUSS TONIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.

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SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS TO TABLE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY.

GO AHEAD. I KNOW I HESITATED.

I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.

I KNOW IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO US AT THE BUDGET MEETING.

UM, I JUST SHARE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED HERE.

MUCH MORE ELOQUENT THAN I COULD, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE TOOLS THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED HERE PROFESSIONALLY.

UM, BUT.

AND IN THE END, FOR ME, IT.

WE'VE COMMITTED A LOT OF MONEY SO FAR TONIGHT.

BUT THIS IS A BIG PRICE TAG.

AND. YEAH.

I'M JUST. I'M NOT THERE YET.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHERE I'M SITTING, AND I'M NOT.

I'M JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT Y'ALL.

I KNOW CHRIS LIKES FEEDBACK.

I KNOW Y'ALL LIKE FEEDBACK, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHERE I AM, SO I UNDERSTAND.

AND I DON'T LIKE THE THOUGHT OF SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN APPROVED REQUEST WHEN YOU'VE GOT A DEAD GRADE.

ALL. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PARTICULARLY THE THING EITHER, BUT I THINK CECIL MADE A PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD POINT THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING USED 180, 180 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR, IT'S HARD.

AND YOU'VE GOT ONE DUMP TRUCK.

IT'S HARD TO REPLACE THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

I'LL SAY THAT. I THINK.

IF IF THE COUNCIL IS ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, FOR ME, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE ITEM.

IT CAN'T BE TWO.

BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT PROBABLY NEED TO SHARPEN THE PENCILS A LITTLE BIT.

FIGURE OUT. UTILIZATION SCHEDULES, HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK, COMMITMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAYS WITH THE COUNCIL AS WELL.

OKAY. UNDERSTOOD? YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION IS TABLED.

THANK YOU. I NUMBER 23 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 20231114-023

[23. Discussion and possible action on approving Resolution No. 20231114-023 authorizing the City Manager to enter into a financing agreement with Government Capital Corporation for the purpose of purchasing a records management system for the Police Department.]

AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A FINANCING AGREEMENT WITH GOVERNMENT CAPITAL CORPORATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF PURCHASING A RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BACK.

EXCUSE ME. BACK IN MAY, THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF A RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

AND AT THE TIME THAT WE THAT THE APPROVAL WAS MADE, WE HAD APPLIED FOR A GRANT FROM THE GOVERNOR, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, AND WE.

AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE COULD USE THAT GRANT AS PART OF THE COST OF THIS SOFTWARE OR THIS PRODUCT.

WE DID NOT GET THE GRANT.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FINANCE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF $330,000.

IF YOU NOTICE ON THIS PROPOSAL FROM GOVERNMENT CAPITAL, THE INTEREST RATE IS 7.8%.

THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THAT INTEREST IS TAXABLE.

UH, VERSES ON THE ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

THE INTEREST WAS NOT TAXABLE.

THE, THE THE WAY THE REASON THIS IS TAXABLE IS BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT IS NOT AS MUCH A PHYSICAL ASSET.

IT'S MORE OF A SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE AND THEREFORE WE CAN'T.

UH, WE CAN'T USE IT.

WE CAN'T CLASSIFY IT AS A FIXED ASSET.

AND SO I TALKED TO OUR BOND ATTORNEYS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD THE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAXABLE.

WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY OUR BOND HOLDERS, OUR DEBT HOLDERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY TAX ON THE INTEREST.

AND IF THEY HAVE TO PAY TAX, THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE US A HIGHER INTEREST RATE.

I DON'T HAVE MY I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES IN FRONT OF ME.

BUT WHEN I WAS SITTING OUT THERE, I COULD HAVE SWORN I REMEMBER THIS BEING APPROVED CONTINGENT ON.

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I'M JUST MAKING SURE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC.

OH, I, I THOUGHT THIS WAS APPROVED.

CONTINGENT ON THE GRANT.

AM I INCORRECT IN MY RECOLLECTION? I THINK THAT WAS STATED.

I DON'T I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE LUPI.

DO YOU REMEMBER? CORRECT.

YEAH. SO IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE GRANT? YES, I BELIEVE I BELIEVE THAT WAS WHAT WAS STATED IN COUNCIL.

I. I HAVE NO.

SO WHERE ARE WE AT ON THE GRANT? AND BEYOND. THAT'S NOT GETTING THE GRANT.

I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO LOOPY BECAUSE HIS AND HIS DEPARTMENT WILL USE.

LEAVE ANY COMMENTS.

COME IN, HE SAID. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OH, YEAH. I WANT YOU TO PROVE IT.

SO, DO YOU HAVE A GRANT? NO, SIR. THE GRANT WAS NOT APPROVED FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

WE DID NOT GET THAT GRANT.

WE APPLIED FOR CIVIL GRANTS.

WE ONLY GOT ONE FOR THE VICTIMS ASSISTANCE GRANT.

SAME SAME STUFF AS BEFORE.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING ON 17 YEARS NOW WITH THIS SYSTEM.

WE'VE GOT TO GET SOMEWHERE WITH IT.

THEY DID UPGRADE. WHAT'S THE.

FRESHMAN MEMORY ON THE MINNOW ON THIS.

ONCE WE IMPLEMENT IT, WHAT DO WE WHAT ARE WE TALKING AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF? I BELIEVE THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WAS LIKE 100,100 AND SOMEWHERE AROUND 100,000.

I WAS THINKING, BUT ALSO REMEMBER THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CHARGE US A MAINTENANCE FEE ON THE YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH TO ME WAS KIND OF ODD THAT THEY WOULD CHARGE YOU A MAINTENANCE FEE THE SAME YEAR THAT THEY IMPLEMENTED IMPLEMENTED THE SOFTWARE WHEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY STILL BE WORKING OUT BUGS RELATED TO THE IMPLEMENTATION.

IT'S WE STILL HAVE TO PAY A MAINTENANCE FEE IRREGARDLESS THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.

SO IT'S THE SAME THING.

WHAT'S THE PRESENT LINE ITEM MAINTENANCE FEE.

RIGHT. THE SAME I THINK IT'S ABOUT 120 100 OKAY.

YES. SO WE WOULDN'T SEE ANY INCREASE IN EXPENSE BASED ON.

NO SIR. NOT ON THE MAINTENANCE PART.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN OF THIS THING? I THINK JASON SAID SOMEWHERE AROUND 20 YEARS, WE'RE WE'RE AT 17 YEARS ON THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW.

AND IT'S AN UPGRADE TO THIS SYSTEM.

IT'S CALLED CENTRAL SQUARE PRO SUITE.

SO IF YOU IF YOU ANALYZE IT OVER FIVE YEARS, YOU STILL GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH OUT OF IT.

YOU STILL BE ON THE SAME SYSTEM FIVE YEARS LATER.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

THAT MAKES THAT COMMENT, THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER, BUT STILL.

AND ALSO THE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS ALSO GOING TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM.

SO THE MORE.

I TALKED TO THE CHIEF DEPUTY NOT LONG AGO.

THE MORE FOLKS THAT GET ON THE PRO SUITE, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL MOVE TO THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO.

THAT INFORMATION SHARING IS A BIG THING AND WE NEED TO TRY TO DO THAT AS WELL.

BUT WE'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF THE COUNTY.

US FREEPORT.

FREEPORT'S ON IT NOW.

IF WE GOT ON IT AND THEN I THINK PEARLAND ALSO IS ON.

IT'S A CHEAPER VERSION THAN GETTING A DIFFERENT.

A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM IS 300,000, VERSUS PROBABLY BETWEEN 2 AND $5 MILLION FOR A WHOLE NEW RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

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TAKING. COUNCIL.

I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

I'M ALSO TRYING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET HERE.

BUT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THERE'S A THE NEXT ITEM 24.

THEY HAVE TO BE SOME DISCUSSION.

AND ALSO THIS THIS IS GOING TO IT'S NOT ONLY US.

ONCE AGAIN IT WOULD DO FIRE AND EMS AS WELL.

THE UPGRADE IS FOR FOR THE WHOLE WE DISPATCH FOR FIRE AND EMS. SO IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT EVERYBODY.

COUNCIL THE SAME POSITION YOU WERE JUST A SECOND AGO.

YOU HAVE THE SAME OPTIONS HERE.

HE IMPROVE THREE ANNUAL PAYMENTS STARTING NEXT YEAR.

YOU CAN IMPROVE FIVE ANNUAL PAYMENTS NEXT YEAR, OR YOU CAN TABLE THIS UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK TO IT.

YOUR CALL. LET YOUR ANNUAL LICENSE FEE IS HOW MUCH? THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 100,000.

PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THERE'S A LOT OF MORE COSTS THAT ARE NOT IN HERE.

IT'S 330,000 TOTAL EQUIPMENT COST THAT WE'RE AMORTIZING OUT, BUT WE'RE NOT COUNTING IN ALL THE OTHER COSTS LIKE MAINTENANCE.

WE'RE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY INCURRING MAINTENANCE.

ISN'T THAT. IT'S ALREADY BUDGETED.

THAT'S A MAINTENANCE IS BUDGETED ALREADY.

MORE THOUGH. RIGHT? YES, SIR. RIGHT.

IT WOULDN'T BE MORE MAINTENANCE, I DON'T BELIEVE I THOUGHT THE MAINTENANCE COSTS WERE LOWER ON THE NEWER SYSTEM.

I MAY BE WRONG. AM I CORRECT IN SAYING I BELIEVE SO? I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S CORRECT.

AND I MEMORIES CLOUDY.

BUT I WANTED TO SAY WE'RE LIKE 120 NOW, AND I THINK IT WAS MAYBE 100.

AND SOMEWHERE IN THE TEENS 12 KIND OF SOUNDED ABOUT RIGHT.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PAY MAINTENANCE REGARDLESS.

AND THEN DOES THE ANNUAL SERVICE SERVICE FEE.

DOES THAT CHANGE? YOU HAVE A LICENSE FEE ANNUALLY, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THAT'S THE MAINTENANCE FEE.

THAT IS THE MAINTENANCE FEE. YES, SIR.

OKAY. IN MY WORLD, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE GET A, WE GET A LICENSE FEE AND WE GET A MAINTENANCE FEE.

THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THE LICENSES IN THERE.

AND THERE'S ALSO 13 LICENSES INCLUDED FOR FIRE AND EMS IN THAT PROPOSAL.

WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.

SO SAME SAME SCENARIO.

COST DEFERMENT FOR A YEAR.

ENTER INTO POTENTIALLY A LINE ITEM.

BUDGET ITEM.

FOR FIVE YEARS, I GUESS UP TO FIVE YEARS OF PAYMENTS.

TO ME, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO ANYTHING.

THREE YEARS. YOU'RE NOT CHANGING INTEREST RATES.

BEGINNING IN 2000. 60.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

IT'S FREE MONEY. SO REFRESH ME IF YOU SAY YES TONIGHT.

YES. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY A FEE FOR THE EQUIPMENT FOR ANOTHER YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT? FIRST PAYMENT COMES DUE IN A YEAR OR PAYMENT FIRST PAYMENT COMES DUE NOW THE FIRST PAYMENT DOESN'T COME DUE FOR UNTIL A YEAR AFTER WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT.

RIGHT, PHIL? YES.

THAT'S CORRECT. CHIEF, COULD YOU HEAR ME? ME? AND HOW MUCH WAS THE GRANT THAT WE WERE EXPECTING TO GET? OR DID WE KNOW 125,000? SO, I MEAN, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT WE MISSED OUT ON.

WE DIDN'T MISS OUT ON 330.

YES. THAT WAS KIND OF, KIND OF MY POINT THAT I'M MAKING WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT ARE WE BEHIND WITHOUT THE GRANT? AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE OVERALL LOOK OF THIS? SO I'M CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN.

THE. AS LONG AS WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH BASICALLY ADDING THIS INTO OUR BUDGET AND THAT'S GOING TO EAT UP SOME MONEY.

YOU. WAS IT EVERY FIVE YEARS? ABOUT ROUGHLY $65,000 ANNUALLY.

SO I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN, WE KNOW FROM SITTING ON BUDGET THAT $65,000 CAN BE USED DIFFERENT WAYS IT GOES.

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YEAH. AND SO.

SO WE CAN POTENTIALLY KICK THIS TO THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR RIGHT TILL 25.

UH HUH. OH, YEAH.

AND THEN YOU. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THE HURTS COMING.

YEAH, WE'RE SADDLING THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

AND THE FOUR YEARS AFTER THAT.

ESSENTIALLY BECOMES A LINE ITEM BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO WORKING SOMETHING OUT WITH ONE OF OUR OFFICERS TO POTENTIALLY HE'S GOING TO BE MOVING TO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO BE MAYOR.

YOU ALWAYS ASKED ME ABOUT OUR CONFISCATION FEE.

SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT WE WE MAY UP THAT TREMENDOUSLY AS WELL.

SO I SAY THERE'S A POTENTIAL.

IT'S THERE.

IT'S JUST A TIME THING.

HE'D BE GOING TO THE FEDS INSTEAD OF LOCAL.

WHICH IS A BOLD TAG COUNTY.

YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEED SOURCE OF INCOME.

IT'S NOT GUARANTEED. NO.

COUNCIL.

SO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

GOVERNMENT CAPITAL FOR THE FINANCING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH FOR APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEARS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT CAN WITH THE NEW SYSTEM.

YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE THERE THAT CAN.

IT'S EASILY TRAINABLE.

IT'S NOT. YOU SAY IT'S JUST AN UPGRADE TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT.

IT'S AN UPGRADE TO WHAT WE HAVE.

YES, SIR. BUT THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE TRAINING, WERE THEY NOT? THAT'S ALL INCLUDED.

YEAH. OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THE MAIN EVENT, NUMBER 24.

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING PROJECTS TO BE INCLUDED IN AN UPCOMING CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION ISSUE.

[24. Discussion and possible action on approving projects to be included in an upcoming Certificates of Obligation issue.]

COUNCIL. BEHIND HERE YOU HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THE CIP.

WHAT ARE WE GOOD FOR? NOTHING. WELL, I SEE YOU ALL NEXT YEAR.

IT'S, SAY, 11 MILLION.

BUT I'M SAYING.

I MEAN, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE SAME.

SO WHAT WE DID LAST NIGHT WITH ABC IS WE WENT LESS THAN THE AMOUNT THAT WE WERE TOLD WE COULD GO FOR UP TO 4 MILLION, WHERE WE WERE TOLD 4.5.

REALLY, I THINK IT'S PRUDENT FOR THE COUNCIL TO PROBABLY ADOPT THE SAME CONSIDERATION TO NOT GO THE FULL 11, BUT PULL BACK SOME.

SO WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN CASE SALES TAX GOES DOWN OR WE HAVE SOME ISSUES IN THE BUDGET.

MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US? YEAH. NO, I'VE, I MEAN, I'VE PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS.

I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK.

THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A LINE ITEM ON THE CIP PROJECTS, BUT WOULD BE, WELL, LET ME BACK UP.

I FEEL LIKE ANYTHING ON THE CIPS THAT ARE ENUMERATED HERE, THAT IS A DRAINAGE PROJECT OR UTILITY.

I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE WE SHOULDN'T EVEN WORRY ABOUT THAT FOR THIS FUNDING MECHANISM.

THAT TO ME IS TO BE PULLED OUT OF OUR OUR WATER UTILITY RATE HIKES THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED.

SO. WHEN? WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT THINGS.

YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THAT THAT SAYS I THINK THE WORD BUCKETS EARLIER THAT BUCKET WE'RE GOING TO GO FULL OR SEEK PROJECTS SUCH AS.

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LINES THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED OUT OF THAT, THAT BUCKET.

I'M OPEN TO ROADS.

SPECIFICALLY HENDERSON.

I KNOW WE'VE.

OUR VERY. I GUESS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU SAY IT.

NOT VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT.

GREAT FUN THAT WE MADE, THAT WE'RE PURSUING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT VERY OPTIMISTICALLY.

SO I'D LIKE TO GEAR TOWARDS MAYBE JUST RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT OPTION IN OUR BUCKET THOUGH, IF IT CAME ABOUT.

SO THAT'S $4 MILLION.

SO I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT THROUGH A CIP BOND.

YES. SO THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY PROBABLY WOULDN'T PRESENT ITSELF FOR FUNDING FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS AND 2 TO 3 YEARS.

JUST F.Y.I.

WELL, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO ON HENDERSON.

AND WE CAN TAKE STEPS TODAY.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

IN THE NEAR FUTURE. NO.

YOU'RE RIGHT. TODAY.

AND WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM LOOKING AT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PERHAPS ACQUIRING LAND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START.

IF THAT MAY JUST BE THE INITIAL STEP WE TAKE.

WE TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY IN HERE AND WE START AGAIN ACQUIRING THE LAND.

AND AS CECIL AND JOHN HAVE BROUGHT UP, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH LAND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, MAYBE WE COULD NARROW THAT A LITTLE BIT.

SO WE'RE NOT PAYING QUITE AS MUCH AND STRETCH OUR DOLLARS A LITTLE BIT, BUT STILL GET THE QUALITY PRODUCT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND.

USING CSAS.

COMMENTARY EARLIER, IT WOULD SHOW ANY OTHER REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS TACKLING THIS ISSUE THAT WE HAVE PUTTING WHETHER IT'S 1 MILLION OR 1 POINT 5 OR 2 MILLION INTO LAND ACQUISITION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RATES ARE.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

YEAH. AND SO.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE.

I'M STILL STILL IN THE IDEA OF IF WE'RE TALKING 10 MILLION, I WOULD STILL JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, MY PREFERENCE ABOUT HALF OF THAT TO GO TOWARDS ROADS.

AND THAT INCLUDED IN THAT HALF MILLION IS HENDERSON PROJECT FOR LAND ACQUISITION THAT ALLOWS US OTHER ROADS AND.

SIDEWALK PROJECTS TO WE CAN ADDRESS BECAUSE.

I PERSONALLY.

AND I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH MOST MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE MY CONSTITUENTS THAT IF YOU TOLD THEM YOU WERE GOING TO SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY ON ROADS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, OKAY, LET'S DO IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE VERY MANY ARGUMENTS ON THAT.

THE OTHER PROJECT THAT WAS BROUGHT AND WASN'T ADDRESSED IN TODAY'S COUNCIL MEETING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS THE DOWNTOWN PROJECT THAT WE RECENTLY GOT A GRANT FOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 4 TO $5 MILLION.

WELL, SO OUR MATCH WOULD BE 1.2.

RIGHT. SO. BUT THE TOTAL.

BUT THE CITY COULD RECEIVE A VALUE OF 5.5 MILLION 5.5, AND THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER 1.2, 1.25 OR 6 MILLION PLUS NOW.

UM. THE OTHER.

COUPLE PROJECTS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN.

BUT PERHAPS BE.

AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.

MINE WOULD BE PERHAPS LOOKING AT.

EXPANDING THE.

POLICE STATION OR SOME SORT OF EXPANSION.

OR AND OR.

I GUESS IT COULD BE BOTH OR POSSIBLE.

LOOKING AT THE.

ANIMAL SHELTER RELEASED A PARTIAL FUNDING OF AN ANIMAL SHELTER.

WE DID THIS LAST NIGHT WHEN WE ABLAK MEETING.

THIS IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THEY PROPOSED THIS BUILDING, A BASEBALL FIELD, AND IT WAS WELL OVER $1 MILLION.

AND WE BASICALLY SAID, GREAT, HERE'S $900,000.

YOU KNOW, GO DO WHAT YOU CAN WITH THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHICH IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.

AND SO THAT'S MY SAME THOUGHT PROCESS.

WE MAY WE NOT WE NOT MAY NOT COMPLETE THE WHOLE POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDITION OR THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO WITH THE.

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THE DOG OR THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

BUT AT LEAST WE CAN START BITING OFF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A THIRD OR A HALF OF WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST WING WITH THE ANTICIPATION THAT THERE WILL BE A SECOND WING OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY BIG PROJECTS.

IF WE WERE YOU KNOW, THE THING I BUILD AROUND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ROADS AND HENDERSON BEING.

YEAH. SO YOU AND I WERE TALKING AND I REALLY AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF HENDERSON, I WOULD SAY 6 MILLION TO THE ROADS. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.

I THINK IT WAS TRUE.

WE COULD DO A LIGHT CONTROLLED INTERSECTION.

WE COULD DO, AT MINIMUM, AN INTERSECTION THAT WOULD FIX A BIG PORTION OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE BEEN HAVING OVER THERE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, AND ALL THE SCHOOLS GOING THROUGH THERE, IF WE LIKE, CONTROLLED DOWNING AND HENDERSON, IF WE DID NOTHING ELSE, WE'RE FIXING A MAJOR ISSUE. AND I THINK WE HAVE $6 MILLION SITTING HERE IN POSSIBLE FUNDS.

WE CAN FIX SOMETHING.

AND I THINK.

I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF ACQUISITION, OF THE RIGHT OF WAYS.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF FINDING AREAS WHERE WE CAN START AND MAKE OPPORTUNITIES IN ON HENDERSON.

WE CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

IT'S JUST CONTINUING TO KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD AND GET IT MORE.

IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE DOWN THE ROAD.

DOWNTOWN. YOU SAID 1.2.

I GOT 1.5 HERE.

YOU SAID POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I AGREE, BUT IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S EXPANSION IDEAS WERE AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK AND COST. RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT.

I'VE GOT ONE 1 MILLION SITTING THERE IN MY IN THIS, AND THEN I'VE GOT ANIMAL SHELTER FOR 1.5.

MAYBE YOU FLIP THEM, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT ALL THAT IS 10 MILLION.

THAT'S HOW FAST IT GOES.

WHAT OTHER PROJECTS COUNCIL DO YOU BELIEVE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME.

THOUGH I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE MOST CRITICAL FEATURE AT THIS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED IMMEDIATELY, BUT THAT'S FROM WATER AND SEWER FUNDS. THAT'S SEPARATE FROM GENERAL FUND.

GENERAL FUND IS 10 MILLION.

YOU TOLD ME Y'ALL CAN'T.

I CAN'T USE ANY OF THIS TO DO THAT.

GOOD. WELL, OKAY, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT'S THE CRITICAL THING.

THAT'S A CRITICAL THING.

HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE ON THE DEBT SERVICE FOR WASTEWATER AND WATER? WE. WE'D HAVE TO DO A RATE STUDY TO FIGURE OUT.

I THOUGHT MOREAU GAVE US THAT.

NO, NO. WELL, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION.

I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER. BUT ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS PROBABLY THE INCOMING LIFT STATION AT THE SEWER PLANT.

IT'S ABOUT TO FALL DOWN.

BUT OTHER THAN I'M ON BOARD BIG TIME WITH.

I WANT TO SEE US MOVING FORWARD ON HENDERSON ROAD.

THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME INITIAL DESIGN.

YOU CAN'T JUST GUESS AT WHAT YOU NEED WITHOUT.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S GOING TO COST SOME MONEY.

THAT WITH AN INITIAL ALIGNMENT IS WHAT I MEAN.

WE'VE ALREADY FIGURED OUT WHAT KIND OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT EACH INTERSECTION AS FAR AS TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND MOVEMENTS AND SUCH AS THAT.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A YOU HAVE TO GET A HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT THROUGH THERE.

IN PLACE THAT ATOP.

THE LANDS. HOW THE RIGHT OF WAY SITS TODAY.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAYS YOU NEED TO NEED TO GET.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED 140 PIECES OF PROPERTY, OR HOWEVER MANY THAT THEY JUST IDENTIFIED, HOW MANY PIECES OF PROPERTY THERE WERE FROM ONE END OF THE PROJECT TO THE OTHER. I AGREE. AND SO YOU CAN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING, YOU CAN YOU CAN MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT YOU WANT UNTIL YOU KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES YOU YOU GET, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO SPEND ON THAT.

SO THE HENDERSON ROAD.

YES. I'M ON THE SOUTH SIDE AREAS PARK.

I WANT TO I WANT TO ATTACK THAT.

CAN I LET YOU KNOW THAT LAST NIGHT, ABC APPROVED.

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AND THEIR DEBT ISSUANCE.

2 MILLION FOR AREAS PARK.

BLESS THEIR OR. THAT'S GREAT.

GREAT INFORMATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IF IT'S IF WE CAN AFFORD 10 OR $11 MILLION IN CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, THEN. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO DO THAT.

LIBBY, DO YOU HAVE? AN IDEA OF WHAT YOUR EXPANDED FOOTPRINT SHOULD LOOK LIKE AT THE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OR DO WE NEED TO SPEND SOME MONEY DOING A STUDY FOR WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS, WHAT YOUR FOOTPRINT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE OVER THERE? THE I ACTUALLY DON'T.

HOWEVER, IF WE PUT IF WE CAN JUST EXTEND WHAT WHAT IT'S ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE THAT BACK AREA, THOSE PLANS ARE ALREADY THERE.

WE JUST PROBABLY HAVE TO TWEAK THEM.

THANK YOU. OKAY. FROM THE 1995, WHENEVER THEY BUILT IT, THE GENERATOR WAS IS OVERSIZE.

SO IT WOULD WORK.

WE THAT AREA BEHIND THE PD, THAT LITTLE GRASSY AREA BEHIND THE PD THAT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT OUT.

BUT IT WASN'T. RIGHT.

OKAY. BUT ALONG THAT ROUTE, WE'RE ALSO APPLYING FOR A GRANT WHICH WOULD CREATE A CAT FIVE BUILDING.

THIS WOULD BE 100% FUNDED GRANT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD MOVE THE DISPATCH OVER AND YOU COULD MOVE OTHER FOLKS OVER, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR EXPANSION WITHIN AND REORGANIZATION WITHIN THE CURRENT PD FOOTPRINT.

SO WE'RE MAKING THAT PART OF OUR MITIGATION PROGRAM.

WE'RE ALSO APPLYING FOR OUR GRANT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE ALL KNOW HOW GRANTS ARE.

BUT THAT'S OUR CONCEPT IS TO RIGHT NOW OUR DISPATCH IS VULNERABLE UNDER HURRICANE OR HIGH WIND SITUATIONS.

AND THAT'S COMMUNICATION FOR ALL THREE OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES.

SO I THINK WHATEVER WE DO, WE WOULD WANT TO TRY TO REINFORCE THAT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

WE ALSO NEED A LAB OR WORKSPACE.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE CELLEBRITE TECHNOLOGY.

SO RIGHT NOW AGAIN YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT OF OUT OF, YOU KNOW, SECURITY.

YOU GOT TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE IT OVER TO GET LOOKED AT AND WORKED ON AND THEN YOU GOT TO MOVE IT BACK.

AND SO AS TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES, WE NEED TO CREATE SPACE WHERE THAT STUFF CAN BE SECURED AND WORKED ON IN THE SAME SPACE.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE CONSIDERATIONS AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS GRANT PIECE AND AND UPGRADES TO THE PD, I JUST.

I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK HERE.

I KNOW THE 2017 BOND, ROAD, BOND AND ROAD CEO THAT JUST NOW GOT COMPLETED. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A ROADMAP OF HOW LONG.

SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WILL TAKE.

YOU KNOW I'LL BE LONG GONE.

CITY COUNCIL, Y'ALL WILL HOPEFULLY BE WRAPPING THESE THINGS UP.

SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT MAY WORK WITH YOU BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE FIRST PROJECT WE TAKE ON, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO OF PLANNING TO GET TO WHERE AND THEN MAYBE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT TO ENHANCE THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING. BUT HENDERSON, ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, START GETTING AGGRESSIVE ON.

HOW IT ENDS UP BEING FUNDED.

THE THINGS THAT WE DO UP FRONT WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THAT.

MY WATCH IS PAID FOR.

IT'S THERE. WE GOT HERE.

WE'VE GOT THIS READY.

FUNDED THROUGH STATE FUNDS.

FEDERAL FUNDS. HOWEVER.

UH, WE ALREADY PAID FOR IT.

WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO REIMBURSE US FOR ANYTHING.

WE'VE ALREADY. WE'VE ALREADY MADE THAT EFFORT, AND.

GOING FORWARD WITH THAT MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT I AGREE WITH THE HENDERSON ROAD.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE OUR PRIORITY.

I ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE ANIMAL SHELTER SOME FUNDED ON THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT.

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BUT ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THE DOWNTOWN PROJECT.

ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SET ASIDE FOR SIDEWALKS.

I STILL THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

I THINK IN THAT 6 MILLION, YOU CAN CALL IT ROADS AND SIDEWALKS GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY.

RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS.

YEAH, OKAY. WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.

AND THAT WILL GIVE US FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS EITHER ADDING NEW SIDEWALKS OR REPAIRING ONES THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED.

MR. BOOTH. YOU WERE SAYING HENDERSON AND LIFT STATION.

WERE YOU OKAY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? THE SEWER PLANT? YEAH. POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

POLICE DEPARTMENT? YES, SIR.

OKAY, I'M ON BOARD WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

OKAY. I SAID EIRIAS PARK.

THEY'VE ALREADY GOT 2 MILLION.

YEAH. DOWNTOWN OR SIDEWALKS? OLD SIDEWALKS AND STREETS WOULD.

ALL RIGHT. HORSE STREETS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US FINISH OUT A COUPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FINISHED, BUT.

IF I'M ON CEMETERY ROAD FOR ONE, IT'S A GOOD ONE.

IT'S GOOD. I MEAN, YOU GOT TO JUSTIFY THE TRAFFIC, THOUGH.

I MEAN, IT'S. WELL, IT'S GOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC NOW WITH GIFFORD BECAUSE OF ALL THE GIFFORD SUBDIVISIONS.

AND NOW YOU HAVE PARK PLACE COMING IN AT THE END OF GIFFORD.

AND THAT'S A SCHOOL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.

I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR DWYER STREET FIXING THE OLD MUNICIPAL POOL.

OH. YES, SIR. OH, GOSH.

YES. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

OKAY. THAT WAS A FORGOTTEN ITEM FOR A MOMENT, WASN'T IT? I MEAN, HE JUST. IT CREATES AN EAST WEST PATH, A BETTER PATH.

IT ALSO MAKES IT LAND IF WE DECIDE NOT TO.

IF WE DECIDE TO USE IT FOR SOMETHING OR GET RID OF IT, IT MAKES IT MORE MARKETABLE.

AND. RIGHT NOW, IT'S ALL BOXED UP.

IT'S. WE'RE ALL.

I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT DWYER STREET NEEDS TO COME STRAIGHT ON THROUGH.

I ADVOCATE ALSO FOR GIFFORD.

EITHER GIFFORD ROAD OR GIFFORD LANE.

BUT I AGREE WITH MR. BOOTH THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO FIX CEMETERY FIRST BEFORE YOU TRY TO GO TACKLE GIFFORD.

I LIKE. I MEAN.

I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME AGO.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S ONE OF THOSE ROADS THAT WE COULD REALLY, IF IT CAN FIT IN THE BUDGET, WHERE YOU REALLY ENHANCE THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, YOU KNOW, GIVE THAT AREA KIND OF AN UPLIFT.

AND IT'S KIND OF FUNNY.

WELL, FUNNY TO ME THAT IT'S LIKE HALFWAY DOWN MAY NOT BE FUNNY TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, BUT LIKE SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE THE MONEY RAN OUT.

I GUESS THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. IT RAN OUT.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY USABLE IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION, BUT IF WE CAN MAKE IT A NICE ROAD, IF YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD ME WHEN I FIRST STARTED DRIVING, THAT CEMETERY ROAD WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE BY NOW AND HENDERSON ROAD WOULDN'T BE, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN EXPANSION THAT WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER BELIEVED IT.

I JUST, I ALWAYS EXPECTED THAT THAT WOULD, THAT I'D BE RIDING ON A DIFFERENT ROAD.

YES, TANNER, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I MEAN, THERE'S NO REASON TO.

THERE'S NO REASON FOR SOMEONE TO PULL MY STRING.

I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU GUYS HIT THE HIGH POINTS AS FAR AS WASTEWATER.

CHRIS HAD MENTIONED THE OUR STREET.

OH, GOSH.

HENDERSON. THE ADDITIONAL STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.

AND NATURALLY, HENDERSON STREET.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE DOWNTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN.

DOWNTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

THE. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S KIND OF ON THE KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT.

IT SEEMED LIKE THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

THE PROPOSAL FOR THAT WAS HEAVILY PIECED TOGETHER.

IT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE.

YOU SEEMED LIKE AN ODD WAY TO ODD WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

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THE PROPOSALS THAT WE THAT WE HAD AS FAR AS.

OKAY. BUILDING.

BUILDING. BASICALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE BUILDING THE STRUCTURE AND AND NOT POURING CONCRETE OR.

YEAH. WELL.

WE WOULD ALLOCATE EVER FUNDS AND WHAT THEY COULD DO WITH IT.

NICER THAN WHAT THEY GOT.

I MEAN, THAT'S BEING IN PRISON OF SOME SORT.

I REMEMBER. SO I GUESS SOMETHING ELSE TO MENTIONED TO COUNCIL WAS LET'S SAY YOU DO 10 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE.

YOU SKIP NEXT YEAR, YOU GO TO THE NEXT YEAR YOU GOT ANOTHER 7 MILLION.

TWO YEARS LATER, SO YOU WOULD ALMOST BE ON A TEN, SEVEN, SEVEN BIANNUAL OR.

I. SO EVERY TWO YEARS YOU HAVE MONEY IN YOUR DEBT SERVICE TO.

KEEP THE BALL MOVING FORWARD.

APPROACH THOSE ITEMS. YEP. RHODES, HENDERSON.

DOWNTOWN. ANIMAL SHELTER.

SIDEWALKS. POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YES. OKAY.

WOULD THIS BE A CHANCE TO HELP WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE EXORBITANT FEES THAT WE'RE NOW ENCOUNTERING? YEAH. I MEAN IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT TO.

OKAY, LET ME ADD THAT IN HERE.

OKAY. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT FIRE STATION THREE? CAN WE PUT IT IN HERE? THAT'S WHAT I THINK SHE'S REFERRING TO.

YEAH. AT LEAST.

LIKE MUD. THERE YOU GO.

ALL RIGHT. SO COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT A LIST HERE.

I THINK. DO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS ACTION TONIGHT, OR DO WE WANT TO JUST TAKE THIS OFFLINE? WE ALL TAKE OUR OUR LIST HERE, AND WE ALL PRIORITIZE HOW WE WANT TO SEE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.

YOU WANT TO DO THAT? I THINK SO.

OKAY. I'LL SEND THIS OVER TO YOU, CHRIS, WITH THE LIST, AND THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE HOW WE WANT TO RANK IT AND HOW WE WANT TO DO IT.

YEAH. I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK AND REFINE THE LIST, BECAUSE ANIMAL SHELTER COULD BE $4 MILLION.

AND SO IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, HOW DOES THAT SORT OUT FOR ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT.

WELL, MAYBE THAT'S HELPFUL. YOU CAN JUST PUT THE AMOUNTS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE FOR THESE.

WELL, FOR ME, I'D RATHER I'D RATHER CLIP A COUPLE OF LOWER PRIORITY ITEMS, OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF THEM IF WE GET TO FINISH SOMETHING, RATHER THAN LEAVING A PROJECT AND UNDONE OR HALFWAY DONE.

EXCEPT FOR HENDERSON. EXCEPT FOR HENDERSON.

WE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.

YES, IT'S GOING TO BE UNFINISHED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, BUT WE'LL COME BACK AND GIVE AND PUT SOME NUMBERS TO IT, LIKE HENDERSON ROAD.

WE CAN JUST SWAG A NUMBER AT $2 MILLION, RIGHT? AND THAT COULD BE THE START.

OKAY. GOOD START TO ME. WELL, UNLESS IT'S.

BUT IF YOU SAY $6 MILLION OR 5 MILLION FOR ROADS, RIGHT? IT'S GOT TO BE SIGNIFICANT OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDES IT, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. BUT IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS DEBT SERVICE FOR HENDERSON ROAD, THEN WE'RE JUST KIDDING OURSELVES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON HENDERSON ROAD.

YEP, IT IS TO GET MOVING.

AND I THINK THAT I THINK THAT THAT THAT INVESTMENT PROBABLY NEEDS TO START ON THE EAST END.

THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE AND THAT WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE 35 AS OPPOSED TO TWO.

VELASCO. SO ARE YOU TABLING? I DON'T THINK WE'RE TAKING ANY ACTION.

WE'RE JUST SAYING THESE ARE THE LIST THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OFFLINE AND WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE.

WE'LL SEND IT TO CHRIS FIRST.

CHRIS CAN PUT NUMBERS TO IT.

WELL, BECAUSE SOME OF YOU WERE NODDING YOUR HEAD, CAN YOU TAKE A VOTE ON THAT? JUST SO FOR THE MINUTES WE KNOW THAT EVERYBODY COUNCIL I'LL ENTERTAIN ACTION.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PRIORITIZE THE LIST DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND TAKE ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING.

SECOND. SO WHAT'S WRONG? GO AHEAD. WE'RE TAKING IT OFFLINE.

MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.

IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

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I FORGOT HOLIDAYS, AND I'D HATE TO JAM ANOTHER LATER NIGHT AND NOT HAVE IT.

JUST A SUGGESTION, THAT'S ALL.

I'M IN MY MOTION.

AND IN THE FUTURE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IF IF YOU REMEMBER JOE MAURO'S DISCUSSION LATER FUNDING, WE WOULD WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T GO TO FUNDING UNTIL THIRD QUARTER AT THE EARLIEST.

RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE TALKING BASICALLY MAY JUNE EARLIEST.

WHICH GIVES US TIME IS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

I'M SORRY TO FINALIZE THAT LIST AND CHECK IT TWICE.

AND THERE AIN'T BEEN A GREAT NOTE TAKER THERE.

CAN YOU? JUST SO I KNOW WE CAN ALL SHARE THAT LIST THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER.

YOU. ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS.

IT WAS YOU OKAY? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GET AHEAD ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SLIPPING BY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD.

WE WENT FOR 10 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER FOLLOWED IT UP WITH ANOTHER 10 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE.

THAT'S PRETTY RARE IN ANGLETON.

SO HOPEFULLY WE WERE WISE STEWARDS OF THIS MONEY AND WE CAN MAKE A LOT OF HAPPEN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS THAT THEY WILL SEE A DIRECT IMPACT ON.

WELL, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE COME BACK.

YEAH. IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T GET TOUCHED UPON THIS TIME.

MAY JUST HAVE TO ROLL FOR TWO YEARS.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 25.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 20231114.

[25. Discussion and possible action on approving Resolution No. 20231114-025 casting votes for the Board of Directors of the Brazoria County Appraisal District. ]

DASH 025.

CASTING VOTES FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE BRAZORIA COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

SHELL. SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE HER THE MICROPHONE.

SO YOU HAVE 42 VOTES.

YOU CAN HAVE THE BALLOT.

YOU CAN USE THOSE 42 VOTES ON ANYONE YOU CHOOSE.

BUT WE DO HAVE GARY DICKEY AND SUSAN FOR THAT COUNCIL NOMINATED TO BE ON THE BALLOT.

SO YOU CAN SPLIT THOSE VOTES BETWEEN THEM OR CHOOSE TO USE ALL 42 ON ONE OF THEM.

I RECOMMEND WE USE OUR 42 VOTES IN ONE PERSON.

THAT'S THAT'S REALLY ADVOCATING FOR SUSAN ON THIS ONE AGAIN.

I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'LL GET THEM ON BOARD.

I AGREE WITH YOU.