* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. IT IS. [DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER] I HAVE FIVE 30 RIGHT ON THE DOT, AND WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND I GUESS WE'LL JUST CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, MEGAN. PERFECT. SO FIRST ITEM ON THE [1. Discussion and possible action to approve the minutes of the Parks & Recreation Board meeting of October 2, 2023.] AGENDA IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING OF OCTOBER 2ND. I HAVE A COMMENT. YES. UM, I JUST NOTICED ON PAGE THREE, MY LAST NAME IS SPELLED WRONG. OKAY. I CAN, OKAY. SO SPELLING CORRECT, NO OTHER AMENDMENTS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE. I SECOND. PERFECT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA, [2. Discussion and possible action on approval of the 2024 Athletic Sports Association agreement and Athletic Complex Maintenance Standards. ] AND I THINK WHAT MOST FOLKS ARE HERE FOR THIS EVENING IS DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVAL OF THE 2024 ATHLETIC SPORTS ASSOCIATION AGREEMENT AND ATHLETIC COMPLEX MAINTENANCE STANDARDS. SO YOU WILL SEE HERE IN YOUR PACKET, WE SENT OUT THE REVISED AGREEMENT. WE HAD RANDALL LAW OFFICE, WHO IS OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, REVIEW THE AGREEMENT. WE NOTED THAT WE WANTED TO SIMPLIFY THE AGREEMENT AND MAKE IT REFLECT OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES MORE, UH, UNIFORMLY, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR AGREEMENT THAT WEREN'T REALLY CALLED OUT IN OUR ORDINANCE IN YEARS PAST, SO WE WERE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT AND, AND THAT IS WHAT RANDALL LAW OFFICE DID FOR US. SO THE PRIMARY CHANGES, YOU'LL SEE A BULLETED LIST HERE IN THE PAST, WE REQUIRED NONPROFIT STATUS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF ANGLETON DOES NOT MANAGE. IT'S ACTUALLY THE UMBRELLA AFFILIATE OF WHATEVER THE ORGANIZATION IS. SO WE DON'T REALLY MANAGE, UH, THE NON-PROFIT STATUS OF EACH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY MUST HAVE IN ORDER TO BE UMBRELLA UNDER THAT UMBRELLA, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN THOSE ASSOCIATED LEAGUES. SO WE DID REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT. THE REQUIRED FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS WERE ALSO REMOVED, BUT WE ALSO NOTED IN THERE THAT WE RETAIN THE RIGHT TO REQUEST THOSE DOCUMENTS IF NEEDED. SOMETIMES WHEN THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY IS IF THE ASSOCIATION WANTS TO GO INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH US ON A CAPITAL PROJECT. WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE FINANCIAL STANDING TO DO SO. AND SO AT THAT TIME, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT FINANCIAL INFORMATION. AGAIN, MOST ENTITIES THAT ARE NON-PROFIT STATUS, THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEIR AFFILIATE ORGANIZATION REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE. AND SO WE WOULD, IMA IMAGINE THAT THOSE WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE, BUT THE CITY REALLY DOESN'T HAVE BUSINESS, UH, TO ASK FOR THOSE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS UNLESS WE'RE GOING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH SOME OTHER CAPITAL PURCHASE. UM, ALL DOCUMENTS REQUIRED AS A CONDITION FOR USE. SO WE DO LIST THINGS IN THERE THAT WE REQUIRE AS THE CITY OF ANGLETON IN ORDER FOR THESE AGREEMENTS TO EVEN TAKE PLACE, FOR INSTANCE, LIABILITY. WE WANNA HAVE THAT IN PLACE. WE WANNA HAVE SCHEDULES BECAUSE WE STILL RENT FACILITIES TO THE FACILITIES TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY'RE NOT IN USE, WHICH THEY'RE NOT IN USE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME. AND SO WE REC WE HAVE ASKED AND CHANGED THAT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS BE IN PLACE, BE AS A CONDITION OF USE. SO IF WE DIDN'T GET A SCHEDULE OF THE, YOU KNOW, LEAGUE PLAY PRACTICE GAMES FOR THE YEAR, THAT DOESN'T GIVE US A WHOLE LOT OF ABILITY OR FLEXIBILITY TO RENT TO OTHER USERS IN THE PUBLIC. UM, AND SO THIS HELPS US JUST ENFORCE THAT AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. UH, THE ANNUAL DEPOSIT, THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM LAND RANDALL LAW OFFICE BECAUSE WE'VE MAINTAINED $1,000 DEPOSIT FOR SO MANY YEARS, THEY NOTED THAT IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO INCREASE THAT DEPOSIT. I WILL TELL YOU HISTORICALLY, WE VERY RARELY HAVE DIPPED INTO THAT DEPOSIT. SO WHAT HAPPENS TRADITIONALLY IS AT THE END OF A SEASON, WE'LL GIVE THAT MONEY BACK AND THEN THEY REISSUE US WHEN WE GO INTO AN AGREEMENT, AGAIN, ANOTHER DEPOSIT. THE TIMES THAT WE USE DEPOSITS ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR LACK OF MAINTENANCE, WHICH WE HAVE NEW MAINTENANCE STANDARDS IN PLACE. AND ALL OF OUR ASSOCIATIONS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING UP WITH THEIR FACILITIES AND COMPLEXES. UM, BUT YEARS AGO WE HAVE HAD TO BEFORE GO IN AND MOW DURING SUMMER MONTHS WHEN IT WASN'T BEING MAINTAINED. WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE WANT TO HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO BILL THE ASSOCIATION FOR CITY MAN HOURS USED. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. IN REGARDS TO APPENDIX A OUTLINES THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH DALEY AND TOURNAMENT RENTALS IN ADDITION TO FEES FOR TOURNAMENTS. THIS IS IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. WE HISTORICALLY HAVE NOT ENFORCED THE $10 PER TEAM. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NEW, NOT ONLY TO STAFF, BUT ALSO TO THESE ASSOCIATIONS THAT THEY MAY SPEAK TO THIS EVENING. AND IT'S UP TO THE BOARD'S DISCRETION AND ADVISEMENT WHAT WE TAKE TO CITY COUNCIL AFTER HEARING FROM, UH, FOLKS TODAY. BUT WE ARE STRICTLY GOING BY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND WHAT IS IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE TODAY. WE ALSO HAVE ASAS MUST DESIGNATE AT LEAST ONE [00:05:01] DAY A WEEK FOR PUBLIC RENTALS. THIS CAME OUT OF JUST, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, NOT MEETINGS, RATHER, WE'VE HAD INDIVIDUALS FROM THE COMMUNITY COME TO US ABOUT NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO RENT FIELDS. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. OUR ASSOCIATIONS DO A GREAT JOB OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND FINDING TIME FOR FOLKS TO UTILIZE FIELDS. UH, BUT WE HAVE FOUND, UH, THROUGH COMMENT AND MEETINGS WITH FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE SOME CONSISTENCY IN WHEN THOSE DAYS AND TIMES ARE AVAILABLE. SO WE HAVE PUT IN THE AGREEMENT THAT AT LEAST ONE DAY BE PROVIDED FOR PUBLIC RENTALS. THE CITY DOES NOT, UH, HAVE ANY PREFERENCE ON WHAT THAT DAY IS, AND WE ARE LEAVING THAT UP TO THE ASSOCIATION TO DECIDE. BUT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO DESIGNATE AT LEAST ONE DAY. AND THEN ALSO WE ADJUSTED THE BACKGROUND CHECK INFORMATION SO THAT IT'S CLEAR AND DIRECT, UM, WHAT IS AND IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. AGAIN, THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF RANDALL LAW OFFICE. AND THEN FOR EASE OF MAINTENANCE AND REDUCTION OF EXPENSE, WE ALSO ADJUSTED CHANGING THE KEY LOCK SYSTEM TO A KEY CODE. SO WHEN WE HAVE A TURNOVER OF BOARD MEMBER OR BOARD PRESIDENT, WE'RE HAVING TO GO AND CHANGE THE LOCKS EVERY TIME THAT OCCURS. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE EXPENSE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO INSTALL KEYPAD MEASURES AND JUST CHANGE THE CODE SO THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY CHANGING THE EQUIPMENT. SO THOSE ARE THE MAJOR CHANGES IN THE AGREEMENT. WE DID SEND EMAILS, LIKE I MENTIONED, REGARDING THE DRAFTED AGREEMENT TO EACH OF THE ASSOCIATIONS. WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS, THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKET SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE CONCERNS OF THE ASSOCIATIONS AND THE CITY'S RESPONSE. AND THEN WE ALSO MET ON DECEMBER 7TH. STAFF DID WITH ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE PRESENT, WHO REQUESTED THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THEIR AGREEMENT, ADDING LANGUAGE THAT SPECIFIES THAT ONLY ONE CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT CAN TAKE PLACE AT EACH SITE LOCATION. SO IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHAT IT SAYS IS THEY DON'T REFER TO THESE ENTITIES AS NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS OR YOUTH LEAGUES. THEY CAN, THEY REFER, THE ORDINANCE REFERS TO IT AS A CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT. SO ANYONE CAN ENTER INTO A CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT WITH US. IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE NON-PROFIT. IT COULD BE A FOR-PROFIT COMPANY. UM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY HAPPENED, BUT IT COULD BE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCES DON'T SPECIFY THAT. SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS IF THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT FOR ONE SITE LOCATION FOR THE YEAR THAT WE CAN'T ENTER INTO ANOTHER ONE WITH LET'S SAY A FOR-PROFIT AGENCY THAT WANTS TO TAKE ON, YOU KNOW, THE DAYS WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN SEASON BECAUSE IT CAN REALLY CREATE CONFUSION WITH RESPECT TO MAINTENANCE OF THE COMPLEX. UH, THE WAY THAT THE AGREEMENT IS WRITTEN CURRENTLY. IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY. WE REQUIRE THAT MAINTENANCE BE DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHETHER THEY'RE PLAYING ON IT OR NOT. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY THEY REQUESTED THAT SPECIFICATION. ANOTHER CHANGE TO THE AGREEMENT, THIS IS AGAIN, ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE WAS AN EXTENDED AGREEMENT OF FIVE YEARS. THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR CAPITAL PLANNING PROJECTS. SO WHILE THEY MAY WANT TO PURSUE A CAPITAL PROJECT, IF THEY START WORKING ON DESIGN AND AREN'T ABLE TO EXECUTE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME, THEY DON'T WANT THE UNCERTAINTY OF NOT KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THE PARKS BOARD WILL ADVISE OR CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE ANOTHER, UH, RENEWAL OF THEIR AGREEMENT. SO THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF MOVING TO AN EXTENDED AGREEMENT. AND THEN ALSO SPECIFYING THAT THE $10 FEE THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE FEES OF CODE OF, UH, OUR ORDINANCES, THAT THEY ARE FOR TURN TOURNAMENTS WHEN TURN A TOURNAMENT FEE IS ENFORCED. SO OFTENTIMES A LOT OF THESE ASSOCIATIONS, THEY ARE NOT ENFORCING A FEE, BUT THEY ARE HOLDING A TOURNAMENT. ALL THEY'RE DOING AS AN ENTITY IS RUNNING CONCESSIONS AND THAT IS HOW THEY'RE BRINGING IN FUNDS. BUT THERE IS NO REGISTRATION FEE ASSOCIATED. SO WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEIR AGREEMENT IS THAT WHEN A FEE IS ENFORCED FOR A TOURNAMENT THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THAT IS WHEN THAT $10 PER TEAM IS TRIGGERED. UM, SO WITH THAT, THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP OUR AGENDA SUMMARY. AND WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE THIS EVENING. AND WE CAN START WITH ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THEM. AND ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA DIRECT TO THE BOARD, YOU CAN DO THAT AT THIS TIME. AND THEN WE'LL DO ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION AND THEN ALSO ANGLETON SOCCER CLUB. I AM ROBERT MARTIN, UH, WITH ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE. I'M THE PRESIDENT, UH, OF THE LEAGUE. DO YOU HAVE ANY [00:10:01] QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING? I DON'T, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD. I GOT A QUESTION. WHAT DOES THE, MEGAN, I GUESS THAT'S MORE FOR YOU. WHAT IS A $10 TEAM FEE? LIKE, HOW IS THAT GONNA GET ADMINISTERED? YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. SO AGAIN, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ENFORCED IN THE PAST, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT IS IN OUR FEE SCHEDULE AND OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES AS IT RELATES TO TOURNAMENTS. AND SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS US JUST COORDINATING WITH EACH OF THE ASSOCIATIONS WHEN THEY'RE HOLDING A TOURNAMENT. IF THERE IS A REGISTRATION FEE ASSOCIATED, WE SAY, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S HOWEVER THEY WANT TO WORK IT OUT FEE WISE, BUT PER TEAM IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. A $10 FEE SHOULD BE ENFORCED OR SHALL BE ENFORCED. SO THAT COULD BE DONE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. IF THE ASSOCIATIONS HAVE A FUND BALANCE, THEY COULD PAY THAT OUT RATE OUTRIGHT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF TEAMS THAT ARE REGISTERED, OR THEY CAN, UM, PUT THAT FEE ONTO THE TEAM. SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY KIDS PER TEAM, THAT'S A, AN ADDITIONAL DOLLAR FOR THEIR REGISTRATION. UM, SO HOWEVER THEY WANNA MANAGE THAT. BUT IF A FEE IS ENFORCED, THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO THEM TO, TO SEND THE CITY OF ANGLETON ONE COMPREHENSIVE CHECK. IT WOULDN'T COME FROM EACH OF THE TEAMS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THAT WOULD BE COLLECTED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE TOURNAMENT PRIOR TO THE TOURNAMENT AT THE END OF THE SEASON. UH, WE HAVE NOT LOGISTICALLY DETERMINED WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. OKAY. I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE TOURNAMENT. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT REGISTER LATER SAY, HEY, WE CAN'T MAKE THE TOURNAMENT. CAN WE GET A REFUND? SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO PLAY THERE, I WOULD IMAGINE. SO I BELIEVE THE CITY WOULD BE FINE WITH RECONCILING THAT AT THE END OF THE TOURNAMENT, WHICH MIGHT ALSO BE BENEFICIAL IF THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO PUT IT ONTO THE TEAMS. AND THEY'RE HOPING THAT CONCESSIONS WILL BRING IN THAT ADDITIONAL FEED THAT COULD COVER THE COST OF ALL THE TEAMS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IT ON EACH OF THE TEAMS. THAT'S ANOTHER SOLUTION. SO TO JUST TOUCH BASE ON THAT, THE REASON THAT THIS GOT BROUGHT UP IS, UH, FRANKTON LITTLE LEAGUE, AT LEAST WE HOST ON OCCASION ALL STAR TOURNAMENTS AT THE END OF THE YEAR. UM, IN A LOT OF CASES IT'S NOT REALLY A TOURNAMENT THAT WE NECESSARILY PLAN TO HOST, BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO HOST BY OUR DISTRICT OR, OR, OR THE STATE, UH, LEVEL FOR LITTLE LEAGUE. SO WHILE IT BRINGS PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CHARGE ANY TYPE OF FEES FOR. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY OUT EXPENSE FOR FIELD MAINTENANCE AND PERSONNEL. UM, SO JUST AN, AN ADDITIONAL $10 PER TEAM WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE CONTROL OF WHO'S COMING OR HOW MANY TEAMS ARE GONNA BE HERE. UM, COULD BE A BURDEN THAT AS A NONPROFIT, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFY. SO MEGAN, DO YOU KNOW THE JUSTIFICATION OF WHY THE CITY PUT THAT IN THEIR ORDINANCES IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHAT WAS THEIR REASON FOR THAT? HONESTLY, CLAIRE, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. UH, AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAVE NOT ENFORCED THIS HISTORICALLY. SO WE HAVE NOT MANAGED OR ENFORCED THE $10 FEE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND WHEN WE, I CHRIS, WAS IT, I THINK IT WAS 1965 WHEN OUR ORDINANCES WERE CREATED, UM, WHEN THE PARKS BOARD WAS ORIGINATED. AND SO I WOULD IMAGINE SHORTLY THEREAFTER IS WHEN THESE ORDINANCES WERE DEVELOPED. UM, AND IF NOT AT THAT TIME, IT MAY NOT BE THAT TIME. UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT REVISING THE ORDINANCES COMPREHENSIVELY. UM, BUT IT, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE, WHAT WE REQUESTED FROM OUR LEGAL COUNSEL IS LET'S STEP AWAY FROM THE CURRENT AGREEMENT. LET'S MIMIC WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. SO YOU'RE REALLY RELYING ON THE NONPROFITS OR THE THESE TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHEN THEY HAVE TOURNAMENTS. 'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, AND ALSO THEY COULD CALL IT ANY OTHER KIND OF FEE THEY WANT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A REGISTRATION FEE. THEY COULD CALL IT A FIELD MAINTENANCE FEE. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU'RE NOT SUBJECT TO IT. RIGHT. I MEAN RIGHT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THEY CAN GET AROUND IT AS WELL. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. IT'S JUST KIND OF AN HONESTY THING THAT YOU'RE JUST EXPECTING THEM TO WRITE YOU A CHECK . THIS IS HOW WE FUNCTION FOR QUITE SOME TIME, EVEN AS IT RELATES TO THE SCHEDULE. SO WHEN WE RECEIVE A SCHEDULE FOR PRACTICE, FOR GAMES FOR MAINTENANCE, YES WE ARE ENTRUSTING THAT WHAT OUR ASSOCIATIONS, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY ARE BEING TRUTHFUL, UM, IS TRUE AND ACCURATE. AND THAT'S ALL WE CAN GO BY AS A CITY STAFF. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY, THE STAFF TO GO OUT AND AND MANAGE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT IS GOING ON AT THOSE FIELDS. THAT IS WHY YOU ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TO BEGIN WITH. YOU ARE ENTRUSTING THESE INDIVIDUALS, THESE VOLUNTEERS TO CREATE A YOUTH PROGRAM THAT WE OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE [00:15:01] THE, UH, FUNDS TO SUPPORT SALARIES, STAFFING, AND FIELD MAINTENANCE TO CARRY ON THAT BURDEN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WHO WOULD ENFORCE THE FEE IF A FEE IS ENFORCED? IS THAT THE CITY OR WOULD THAT BE THE LEAGUES? SO IT WOULD BE BOTH, AGAIN, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON IN ORDER FOR A CONDITION OF USE FOR THE COMPLEX AS A WHOLE IS WE NOTE IN THE AGREEMENT, I BELIEVE IT'S ONE OR IT MIGHT BE TWO WEEKS AFTER OPENING DAY. WE REQUIRE THE PRACTICE, THE GAME, AND THE TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE. OKAY. SO ONCE WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND WHAT TO ASK FOR, WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN THE TOURNAMENTS ARE GONNA BE HELD, THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO THEN FOLLOW UP WITH THE ASSOCIATIONS AND SAY, IS THIS A FEED TOURNAMENT? PROVIDE US YOUR FLYERS. I MEAN, WE CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, TO UNDERSTAND AND CONFIRM THAT YES, THIS IS A, NO REGISTRATION IS BEING TAKEN. WE, UM, THAT IS ONE MECHANISM THAT WE CAN USE. AND IF IT IS, THEN AT THAT TIME WE COULD ENFORCE THAT FEE. SO IT'D BE ENFORCED IF THEY ARE CHARGING CORRECT ADMISSION FEES. OKAY. NOT ADMISSION FEES SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO, SO THERE'S TIMES AT WHICH, UM, LET'S SAY WE HAVE A PARK CLOSURE FOR MASS GATHERINGS. AND AT THAT TIME WHEN THE PARK IS CLOSED, IT, IT NO LONGER IS A CITY EVENT THAT IS A LARGER ENTITY THAT BECOMES A TOURISM RELATED EVENT. UM, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CHARGE ADMISSION. BUT IF THEY'RE CHARGING REGISTRATION INTO THE ACTUAL TOURNAMENT, THAT IS WHEN WE WOULD ENFORCE IT PER TEAM THAT IS ENTERED. OKAY. SO IN THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE OF THE ALLSTAR TOURNAMENT, YOU'RE NOT CHARGING REGISTRATION, SO YOU WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ANY PAYMENT FOR THAT. IT DOESN'T CLARIFY THAT THAT'S, THAT'S REQUEST REQUEST AS LONG AS VERBIAGE IS IN THE, THE, THAT'S WHAT RIGHT, RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. THAT IS WHAT HE IS REQUESTING AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT THAT IT IS ONLY, THE $10 FEE IS ONLY ENFORCED WHEN REGISTRATION FEES ARE REQUIRED. OKAY. RIGHT NOW HOW IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IS ANY TIME $10 PER TEAM PER TOURNAMENT. NOW IF HE GETS THIS CHANGE FOR ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT AGREEMENT? IS THERE A CUSTOM AGREEMENT WITH EVERY ASSOCIATION OR DOES IT GO ACROSS THE BOARD? SO EVERY AGREEMENT IS PRESENTED THE SAME. THEY HAVE ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE THREE CHANGES, IF YOU RECOMMEND AND ADVISE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THOSE BE ACCEPTED, WE WILL TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. THEY WILL OR WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT CHANGE. AND A GSA AND ANGLETON SOCCER CLUB COULD PROPOSE THOSE SAME CHANGES. AND I WOULD EXPECT TONIGHT THAT THEY, THEY EXPRESS THAT TO YOU OR NOT. IF THEY ARE FINE WITH THE CURRENT AGREEMENT, THEN THEY SHOULD BE SPEAKING TO THAT THIS EVENING. BUT THE RESPONSES THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, AGAIN, ARE WHAT ARE PRESENTED TONIGHT. AND SO IF I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, . THERE ARE THREE INDIVIDUAL AGREEMENTS CURRENTLY. THEY ARE ALL THREE THE SAME ANGLES AND LITTLE LEAGUE IS ASKING FOR REVISIONS. AND, AND SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, IF WE AGREED THAT TO THE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, WOULD THE CITY NOT PUT THAT INTO THE OTHER AGREEMENTS FOR THE OTHER ENTITIES? THAT IS UP TO YOUR ADVISEMENT AND THEIR, THE OTHER ASSOCIATION'S REQUESTS. SO IF THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANYTHING BE CHANGED, THEY MAY NOT FIND THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE WHATSOEVER. SO IF IT'S NOT, THEN YOU CAN PROCEED AND PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT AS WRITTEN FOR THOSE ASSOCIATIONS. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE WHO HAS REQUESTED THESE THREE OTHER REVISIONS. AND THE CITY'S OKAY WITH HAVING DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS FOR ALL THREE. OH, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS ANYWAYS. OKAY. WE HAVE SIGNATURES FROM EACH OF THE ASSOCIATIONS. MM-HMM. . SO WHAT WOULD ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY REQUESTING TO BE SPECIFIED HERE? LIKE WHAT IS THE ACTUAL, LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE, WOULD THAT WORK FOR THE TOURNAMENT, THE ALL STAR TOURNAMENT THAT THEY'RE GONNA HOST TO NOT HAVE TO PAY THE $10 ADDITIONAL FEE OR TO LIKE, IF NOTHING GETS CHANGED? DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU COLLECTING THE $10 PER TEAM? UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE LEAGUE IS GONNA BE BURDENED WITH, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO THE LITTLE LEAGUE BOARD, UH, WILL NEED TO ADDRESS AND FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GONNA BE PROFITABLE OR FINANCIALLY AVAILABLE FOR US TO HOST TOURNAMENTS, UH, IN THE CITY. UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE LEAGUE WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY, UM, ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS BASED ON THEIR REVENUE. UM, [00:20:01] AT THE END OF THE DAY, IS IT A HUGE DOLLAR AMOUNT? NO, IT'S NOT. BUT AGAIN, WE RUN OFF OF, UH, NONPROFIT AND WE RUN OFF OF, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO ANYTHING LIKE THAT JUST ADDS TO ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE CITY, UH, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SO, UM, AND THIS TOURNAMENT HAS BEEN HOSTED HERE BEFORE? YEAH. UH, FOR, FOR Y'ALL? YEAH. YEAH. MULTIPLE TIMES. YEP. YEAH, THESE, THE, OUR, OUR PARTICULAR TOURNAMENTS RUN FROM SEVEN YEARS OLD TO 15 AND CAN BE A, UH, AN AMOUNT OF TEAMS IN EACH ONE OF THOSE AGE GROUPS. SO THERE, I MEAN, IT COULD GET EXTENSIVE. SO WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? I AGREE WITH THE THREE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED. DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO DO IT? SO WE HAVE TWO OTHER ASSOCIATIONS THAT PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL. SO, UM, BEFORE A MOTION IS MADE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ALLOW THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THEY MAY HAVE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUESTED CHANGE AND INGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE FOR THE FIVE YEARS. THAT'S JUST FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS TO WRITE. OR IS THAT GONNA BE LIKE IN WORDING LIKE, HEY, THIS FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT IS STRICTLY JUST FOR, LIKE YOU SAID, JUST THE CAPITAL PROJECTS OR IS IT LIKE A, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, SO I DON'T REALLY THINK YOU CAN DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. SO THERE IS A TERM OF THE AGREEMENT. AND SO WE WOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WITH LIKE ACTIONS INC. WHICH WAS THIS IS AN ANNUAL AGREEMENT WHICH WE'LL RENEW ANNUALLY FOR THE NEXT X NUMBER OF YEARS UNLESS ONE PARTY DECIDES TO TERMINATE EARLY, IN WHICH CASE HERE'S THE PROCESS FOR TERMINATION. UM, SO WE WILL HAVE TO REWORD THAT BASED ON LEGAL COUNSEL GUIDANCE. UM, BUT YES, IT WOULD EXTEND, EFFECTIVELY EXTEND THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT. WE COULD STILL AS A BOARD OR CITY TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT IF WE FOUND LIKE, HEY, THIS IS NOT WORKING OUT. THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT AGAIN, WITH THE LONGSTANDING HISTORY OF ALL OF THESE ASSOCIATIONS, WE DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. AND IF IT MEANS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO EXECUTE OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN A RECENT MEETING IS IF WE PURSUE A, AN ADDITIONAL FIELD DEVELOPMENT AT FREEDOM PARK, SPECIFICALLY WITH ENGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE, THE BOARD, IT MAY CONSIDER ADDING SOME IMPROVED AMENITIES AT THOSE SITES, INCLUDING TURF, UM, FOR SPECIFIED AREAS. BUT THEY WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT AND COMMIT IN ADVANCE IF THEY ONLY HAVE AN ANNUAL AGREEMENT. IF YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION. UM, I'M TODD PATTERSON, PRESIDENT OF ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL FOR THE LAST GOING ON 10 YEARS. AND UM, THE $10 FEE OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND SOFTBALL'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN BASEBALL AS WE HAVE TOURNAMENTS LIKE EVERY WEEKEND AND WE HAVE 30 TO 40 TEAMS EVERY WEEKEND IF THEY'RE CHARGED OR NOT CHARGED, THAT'S, THAT'S TO SAY WHATEVER, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE THE TEAMS THAT ARE, OR THE PEOPLE HOLDING TOURNAMENTS WITH US, WE MAINTAIN EVERYTHING. SO WE GET A CUT OF THAT, WHICH GOES BACK TO KEEPING OUR, ALL OF OUR STUFF, OUR RATES AND EVERYTHING LOW. SO WE'RE PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWEST AS FAR AS HOW MUCH IT COST TO PLAY SOFTBALL, WE HAD TO RAISE IT THIS SPRING BECAUSE WE HAD TO GO UP TO THE $130 PER PLAYER BECAUSE OF ALL THESE OTHER CHANGES AND THE COST OF INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING UP TOO. SO THE $10 A TEAM THAT'S EITHER HERE OR THERE TO ME, BECAUSE WE CAN GET IT OUT OF A, EVERY TEAM, LIKE YOU SAID IS A DOLLAR PER, BUT WHY CHARGE IT IF IT'S JUST A DOLLAR PER, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE WE HAD. WHY ARE WE BEING CHARGED AS $10 PER TEAM PER TOURNAMENT, WHICH WE COULD LITERALLY HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT TOURNAMENTS A YEAR. WE'VE WORKED UP NOW TO WHERE WE'RE HAVING STATE TOURNAMENTS IN ANGLETON, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A LOT MORE IN TAXES THAN YOU ARE ON $10 A TEAM FOR THE STATE TOURNAMENTS. NOW I WAS JUST INFORMED TODAY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS AND WE'RE IN THE BID TO GET THE NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS. IF YOUR HELP, WE CAN GET A COUPLE MORE FIELDS . BUT OTHER THAN THAT, [00:25:01] THAT'S WHAT THEY JUST TOLD ME TODAY, THAT WE, WE ARE IN THE BID FOR THE NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS. A UH, A SA NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS, WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING UP TO GETTING AND NOW WE'RE IN THE BID FOR IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS. AND I MEAN THE LAST 10 YEARS WE'VE MADE LEAPS AND BOUNDS WITH THE CITY'S HELP AND ALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS, WE'VE DONE GREAT THINGS AT ANGLETON SOFTBALL, I BELIEVE WHILE THESE OTHER CITIES ARE, ARE STARTING TO FAIL, REALLY. I MEAN, UH, THE DISTRICT DOESN'T EVEN WANNA DEAL WITH LAKE JACKSON 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH THEM. AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN IN ANGLETON TOO 'CAUSE I'VE WORKED WAY TOO HARD TO GET TO THIS POINT. I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE WHAT'S BEING ASKED OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN WRITING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S, IF THAT COULD BE CHANGED OR IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH IT OR WHATEVER. BUT TODD, WILL YOU SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A REVISION FOR THE 10? YEAH, I WOULD ASK FOR A REVISION FOR THE $10 BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY WHEN THE TAX BASE YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM OUR TOURNAMENT IS WAY MORE THAN YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ON THE $10 PER TEAM. AND HOW MANY, WE RUN CHILIES OUT OF FOOD. WE RUN PIZZA HUTT OUT OF FOOD, WE RUN A LOT OF RESTAURANTS OUT OF FOOD AND WE HAVE A TOURNAMENT. WE MIGHT HAVE 500 PEOPLE, KIDS NOT COUNTING THEIR PARENTS AND THEIR GRANDPARENTS AND THEIR SISTERS AND BROTHERS IN ANGLETON FOR ONE TOURNAMENT. HOW MANY TEAMS CAME TO LAST YEAR'S TOURNAMENT? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S USUALLY BLOCKED OFF, RIGHT? LIKE THE PARTNER SHUT DOWN LAST YEAR'S THE STATE TOURNAMENT. YEAH. THAT WAS BLOCKED OFF FOR THREE DAYS AND WE HAD 30, 37 37 TURNED TEAM. SO FROM ALL OVER THE STATE, HOW MANY THAT MEANS ALL THE MOTELS WERE FULL. THAT MEANS ALL THE RESTAURANTS WERE FULL. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO, UM, THE NATIONAL TOURNAMENT, WHEN DO YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THAT AND WHAT IS IT? WE, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE BID FOR IT. I TALKED TO HIM TODAY AND IT'LL BE FOR 2025. OKAY. AND 2026. SO IT WASN'T LIKE THIS COMING? NO, NO. 20 25, 20 26. SO WE STILL HAVE TIME TO BILL THIS YEAR. THEY'RE JUST GIVING US A DISTRICT TO YEAH, WE'VE GOT DISTRICT, WE HAD STATE THE LAST TWO YEARS. NOW WE GET DISTRICT THIS YEAR AND PROBABLY NEXT YEAR. AND THEN WE'RE IN BID FOR THE NATIONALS. THAT'S A LOT MORE TEAM THAN LAST YEAR AT THAT LEVEL. OH YEAH. AND THE THE THING IS, IS WE CAN LITERALLY HAVE TOURNAMENTS EVERY WEEKEND BECAUSE, 'CAUSE SOFTBALL'S NOT LIKE BASEBALL, BASEBALL, YOU GOT PITCH COUNTS AND ALL THIS STUFF. SOFTBALL LITTLE GIRL CAN THROW ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT AND ALL NIGHT, HALF IN THE MORNING DEPENDS ON THE TOURNAMENT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'VE, I MEAN WE BRING A LOT TO HANKS AND JUST IN A TOURNAMENT, ONE TOURNAMENT BRINGS A LOT TO ANTON. SO THE FEES FOR ALL THE TOURNAMENTS THAT WE HOST IS KIND OF BEYOND ME. WHY WE WOULD BE CHARGED FEES WHEN WE ARE BRINGING THIS TO ANTON. THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION I HAD IN MY MIND THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S ANGLETON GONNA DO WITH THE FEET? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY COLLECTING IT FOR? YEAH, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER THING. I MEAN I CAN UNDERSTAND, UM, IF WE'RE USING LIGHTS OR WHATEVER, IF WE'RE HAVING A TOURNAMENT, BUT I'M, I'M STILL KIND OF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIGHTS ON ANYWAY 'CAUSE IF WE'RE NOT PLAYING A TOURNAMENT, SOMEBODY'S OUT THERE PRACTICING OR SOMEBODY'S OUT THERE PLAYING. UM, MEGAN WAS TALKING ABOUT A SCHEDULE. SCHEDULING IS TOUGH FOR US BECAUSE DURING THE SPRING WE PLAY GAMES. MONDAYS, WEDNESDAYS OR MONDAYS, TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS WE HAVE PRACTICES ON WEDNESDAYS, WE HAVE PRACTICE ON SUNDAYS AND, AND THEN WHEN THERE'S NOT GAMES, WE HAVE PRACTICES MONDAYS, TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS. I MEAN THAT'S HOW MANY TEAMS WE HAVE. WE HAVE TO USE UTILIZE ALL THOSE DAYS. THE ONLY DAY WE HAVE IS FRIDAY. NOBODY WANTS A FRIDAY TO RUN A FIELD. I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S NO FOOTBALL GAMES, BUT THEY STILL DON'T WANT FRIDAYS FOR RENTING FIELDS. THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DAY WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO GIVE TO THE CITY TO RENT FIELDS OUT. AND THE OTHER THING IS WITH RENTING THE FIELDS OUT TO PRIVATE OR OTHER PEOPLE IS WE MAINTAIN 'EM WITH OUR MONEY. THAT'S WHERE ALL OUR MONEY GOES TO. NEW TRACTORS, GAS, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO, MAINTAIN TRACTORS, DIRT. I MEAN WE TRY TO KEEP THE FIELD AS NICE AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN KEEP THESE TOURNAMENTS COMING FOR ALL THESE KIDS. BECAUSE I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS ARE DWINDLING BECAUSE THE KIDS WANNA STAY IN THE HOUSE AND PLAY ON THE PHONE. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP 'EM OUTSIDE. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE [00:30:01] I DIDN'T ADDRESS? STEPHANIE? UM, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU ALREADY SAID THIS, BUT LIKE YOURS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE WHERE THEY DON'T MAKE MONEY VERY MUCH ON THEIR TOURNAMENTS. SOMETIMES IT'S CONCESSIONS, BUT THE GIRL'S SOFTBALL IS EVERY TIME YOU WOULD MAKE MONEY OR IT'S ONLY CONCESSIONS. WE MAKE MONEY ON CONCESSIONS ALSO. OKAY. AND ALL THAT MONEY. BUT WE DON'T CHARGE A FEE, I GUESS IS WHAT IT WAS. WE CHARGE IF, IF WE CHARGE FEES, IT IS FOR THE HOST TEAMS THAT ARE HELPING US DO THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO, WE CAN'T HOLD A TOURNAMENT OURSELVES 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE. SO A TEAM WILL COME IN AND THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY, THEY NEED TO HELP MAKE MONEY FOR THEIR TEAMS AND THEIR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND WE'LL HOST TOURNAMENTS WITH THEM FOR THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE MEGAN, DO YOU KNOW IF OTHER CITIES ARE COLLECTING A $10 FEE AS WELL? OR HAVE YOU, HAVE WE EXPLORED THAT? SO YES, WE HAVE STARTED TO, WE'VE ASKED THE, WE HAVE A GREATER GULF COAST DIRECTOR ASSOCIATION AND SO WHEN WE FIRST INITIALLY WE WERE WORKING ON ORDINANCE REVISIONS COMPLETELY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE ASSOCIATIONS AND EVERY MUNICIPALITY DOES IT DIFFERENTLY. I WANNA SAY, UM, JOHN, I THINK YOU ACTUALLY SENT SOMETHING TO STEWART AND I CAN'T REMEMBER, I WANNA SAY IT WAS ROSENBERG. UM, DOES ORGANIZATION, YEAH, THEY COLLECT FEES I BELIEVE ALSO, UM, I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK, BUT UM, WE HAVE COLLECTED SOME DATA AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEND TO THE PARKS BOARD, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT A AVAILABLE THIS EVENING. UM, I WANT TO SAY THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THEIR STRUCTURE AS IT RELATED TO THE, UH, ASSOCIATIONS. AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE CHARGING $10 A CHILD, UM, THAT PLAYS IN THEIR LEAGUE. UM, SO IT IT'S DIFFERENT EVERYWHERE. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LONG TERM WE CAN LOOK AT AND HAVE ALREADY BEGUN LOOKING AT ORDINANCE REVISIONS AS A WHOLE. SO THAT MIGHT ALSO HELP US CLEAN UP AGREEMENTS IN THE FUTURE. DO WE HAVE A PROCESS TO REQUEST FEE WAIVERS, SAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONTRACT, ASK, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE, HERE'S THE TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE. CAN THEY GO BEFORE COUNCIL AND REQUEST A WAIVER FOR THOSE FEES? SO THAT REALLY IS WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS EVENING. WHATEVER IS OUTLINED WHILE WE HAVE A CODE OF ORDINANCES, IF WE DESIGNATE SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY IN THE AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT'S GONNA TAKE PRECEDENCE. OKAY. IF YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANNA ADD ANYTHING ELSE, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANGLETON SOCCER CLUB. OKAY. ALRIGHT. HEY Y'ALL. DUSTIN MERCADO TON SOCCER CLUB PRESIDENT. UM, SPEAKING TO THE TOURNAMENT, WE HAVE HAD BOTH STYLES. EASTERN DISTRICT, THEY DON'T PAY REGISTRATION TO COME PLAY. WE'VE HOSTED AND, UH, OTHER TOURNAMENTS WHERE WE HAVE LOCAL TEAMS PAY REGISTRATION FEE. I ACTUALLY OVERLOOKED THAT IN THE CONTRACT. SO THANKS Y'ALL FOR CATCHING THAT, UM, IN THE NEW AGREEMENTS. BUT IT SEEMS WITH THE NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IT WOULD BE SIMPLEST TO LOOK FOR A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT. ESPECIALLY SINCE ONE OF THE MAJOR COSTS BESIDES MAYBE LIGHT SWITCH LIKE TODD WAS MENTIONING, WE USE ANYWAY, IS MAYBE THE CITY HAS TO COME DO A BUNCH OF TRASH, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRASH DURING THE SEASON DURING TOURNAMENTS AND THE CITY HELPS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE HAVE OVER 19 TRASH CANS AT THE SOCCER FIELDS ALONE. UM, BUT WITHOUT SOMETHING SHOWING WHAT THAT MONEY'S GOING FOR AND WITH IT BEING SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO, YOU KNOW, GET A PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THAT ALTOGETHER. THAT'S ALL I HAD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO COLLECT FOR EVERY GROUP. UM, I'VE DONE SELECT BASKETBALL BEFORE IN THE PAST, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A TOURNAMENT THAT HAS SIX TEAMS, TWO AT THE DAY BEFORE. IT DOESN'T MAKE IT ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE, THE TOUGH PART FOR ME PERSONALLY. BUT I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LIKE HOW WE WANT TO COLLECT IT, MAYBE, UH, NOT COLLECT IT IF THE TOURNAMENT DOESN'T MAKE AND NOT HOLD THESE LEAGUES ACCOUNTABLE FOR, HEY, YOU WERE GONNA HOSE A TOURNAMENT. [00:35:02] IT JUST GOT, IT SEEMS VERY GRAY A AS AND VERY NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD OF HOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE, I THINK TOO, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT WOULD GO TOWARDS. SO ANY PARK REVENUE THAT WE MAKE AND, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS ASKED, I BELIEVE BY ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL, ANY OF THE REVENUES THAT PARKS MAKES, IT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO HOW THE GENERAL FUND IS DIVVIED AND BUDGETED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. I MEAN IT, WE REALLY CAN'T TRACK THE $10 PER TEAM TO OKAY. AND THAT WENT BACK TO PARKS. I MEAN WE CAN SAY A PERCENTAGE OF THAT WENT BACK TO PARKS, BUT I MEAN REALLY IT'S JUST GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR AS A REVENUE. UM, ONE THING THAT I WILL MENTION AND DID MENTION TO ANGLETON GIRLS SOCCER, OR EXCUSE ME, NOT ANGLETON GIRLS SOCCER, ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION IS WE DO HAVE PARK CUSTODIANS THAT GO OUT MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY FOR TRASH AND RESTROOMS. AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, ALLOCATE $10,000 PER YEAR PER ASSOCIATION. SO, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY BEING DONE. UM, SO WE COULD SAY, NOW THAT WE'RE COLLECTING THIS FEE, WE'D LIKE TO BUMP THAT UP TO X NUMBER OF DOLLARS. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PLAN FOR IN THE NEXT BUDGET PROCESS. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY ENFORCED. AND SO WE WOULD TAKE GUIDANCE FROM THE PARKS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL IF WE WERE TO EXECUTE IT. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM OR IS THERE A MOTION? CAN I ADDRESS YOU AND NOT THE BOARD SINCE I DIDN'T FILL OUT A PAPER? SURE. BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE OUGHT TO JUST BE A MOTION DONE. THERE OUGHT TO BE A MOTION DONE. IF IT HASN'T BEEN BEING DONE ANYWAYS, THEN THERE WHY START? THERE SHOULD JUST BE A MOTION. WE WANT TO TAKE IT OUT OF THERE. YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT TO BEGIN WITH. AND I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE ESOPHAGEAL IS ASKING. MM-HMM. FOR A MOTION FOR IT. ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EVIDENCES ARE GONNA BE REVIEWED, RIGHT? PRETTY SOON. MM-HMM. , ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I GUESS WE, WE'VE GOT, WE NEED TO MAKE IT ON ALL THREE OR FIVE OF THE SUGGESTION. SO, SO HERE IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF, IF EVERYONE WAS SATISFIED WITH THE REQUEST FROM ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD NOTE THOSE BULLETED THOSE THREE BULLETS, UH, AS IT RELATES TO ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE'S AGREEMENT. AND THEN FOR THE FOR ALL AGREEMENTS, YOU CAN ALSO NOTE TO REMOVE THE $10 FEE ASSOCIATED, ACTUALLY THE ONE OF THOSE BULLETS WAS TO CHARGE THE $10 FEE ONLY IF FEES WERE PAID, I WOULD, WE'D HAVE TO OBJECT THAT RECOMMEND ELIMINATING THAT ALL TOGETHER. SO ONLY THOSE TWO BULLETS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT ONE. AND THEN FOR ALL ASSOCIATIONS, THE $10 FEE PER TEAM FOR TOURNAMENTS BE REMOVED, WE'RE ON WHAT PAGE NUMBER ARE WE ON? SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BULLET SIX, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE MOTION, LET YOU DO IT. CLARA. HUH? WE'RE LETTING YOU MAKE THE MOTION. I CAN'T MAKE IT. OH, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT. SO I MOVE, UM, TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2024 ATHLETIC SPORTS ASSOCIATION AGREEMENTS AND ATHLETIC COMPLEX MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WITH THE FIRST TWO BULLET POINTS ADDED INTO THE AGREEMENTS AND TO WAIVE THE $10 TOURNAMENT FEES. QUICK QUESTION. THE TWO BULLET POINTS WITH RESPECT TO ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE ONLY OR TO ALL THREE? TO ALL THREE. OKAY. DID I CAPTURE EVERYTHING NANCY? RIGHT? I'LL SECOND. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? YES, SIR. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM? I HAVE A QUESTION. I'LL GO TO THE PODIUM. OKAY. I FOLLOW . A QUESTION I HAVE THAT A LOT OF CITIZENS HAVE ASKED ME. IT'S FOR ALL THREE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS ALONG WITH YOUR SPORTS CONTRACTS. ARE YOUR BYLAWS ALL UP TO DATE? ARE ALL THE CONTRACTS CURRENT AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN VOTED ON BY YOUR MEMBERS PRIOR TO ADOPTION? THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED TO ME. SO THE CITY HAS RECEIVED ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, JOHN, FOR YOUR REFERENCE, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN JANUARY, BUT THE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT THE, UH, AFFILIATE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, ENSURING THAT THEY ADHERE TO THOSE [00:40:01] BYLAWS. IT'S REALLY THEIR UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION. SO THE CITY HAS REMOVED ITSELF FROM, UM, EXPECTING OR MAINTAINING THAT DOCUMENTATION AND THEN IT'LL BE UP FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE UPON . OKAY. LET'S BACK. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LANGUAGE, THE CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT PER SITE LOCATION AND EXTENDING THE AGREEMENT TO FIVE YEARS AND WAIVING TOURNAMENT FEES ALTOGETHER FOR ALL THREE ORGANIZATIONS. GIVE A SECOND. LET'S LET, LET'S DO EACH ORGANIZATION. DO WHAT? LET'S DO EACH, LET'S GO THROUGH EACH ONE. WE'RE GONNA DO EACH ONE. YES. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE DOING ANGLETON, UH, LITTLE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW. YES. SO THIS, SO YOU'RE YOURS. THE STRANGLE STRANGLED IN LITTLE LEAGUES. WE HAVE A SECOND. I CAN SECOND A. ALL ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. AND MOTION CARRIES ALL IN THE LEAGUE. LET'S DO ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION, WHICH TO ME THEY'RE MORE IMPACTED BY THE TOURNAMENT FEES. IF A MOTION, I MOTION TO WAIVE THE FEE. SAME. YES, SAME. AND EXTEND. DID THEY EVEN CARE ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR? THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLEAR UP. DO YOU GUYS ARE, ARE THEY WANTING THE FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT AS WELL? AND I THINK I ONLY HEARD THE $10 FEE. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANNA SAY YES TO ALL THREE WITHOUT THEM EVEN ASKING FOR IT. TODD, DO YOU WANNA, IF YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM IF YOU WANT TO SAY OTHERWISE WE DON'T GIVE YOU SOMETHING YOU DON'T. SO THE ADDITIONAL BULLETS, YEAH, THEY DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANNA DO. SO THE ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL BULLETS THAT ANGLETON LITTLE LEAGUE REQUESTED WAS THAT THE LANGUAGE SPECIFY IN THE CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT THAT IT IS ONLY ONE CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT PER SITE LOCATION. MEANING NO OTHER ORGANIZATION COULD COME IN AND SAY, HEY, A GSA HAS IT DURING THIS TIME, WE WANNA COME IN THEIR OFF SEASON. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN EXTENDED AGREEMENT FOR FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS? YES. OKAY. SO YES. OKAY. TO THOSE BULLETS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. WE NEED A MOTION FOR ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION. A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THOSE THREE ITEMS FOR ANGLETON GIRLS SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THAT CARRIES. NOW WE'RE GONNA DO ANGLETON SOCCER CLUB, I GUESS ANGLETON SOCCER. DO Y'ALL WANT THE SAME THING? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS, ? I DON'T SEE IT BEING A DOWNSIDE. ALSO, I'M RELYING HEAVILY ON THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE STEWART, MEGAN, AND THE CITY WITH EVERYTHING WE GOT GOING ON. SO I'M GOOD WITH THEM. ALL RIGHT. WE NEED A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE SAME THING. FOR ANGLETON SOCCER CLUB. UM, ADD THE LANGUAGE THAT SPECIFIES ONE CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT PER SITE LOCATION. EXTEND THE AGREEMENT TO FIVE YEARS AND WAIVE NO $10 FEE. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT ONE CARRIES TWO. PERFECT. AND JUST TO NOTE BACK TO WHAT, UH, MAYOR WRIGHT WAS MENTIONING IN THE AGREEMENT FOR CONDITIONS OF USE, THE ASSOCIATIONS MUST HAVE CURRENT BYLAWS, BUT THAT IS, UH, NOT SOMETHING, AND IT SHOULD SHALL BE PROVIDED UPON EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT. BUT AGAIN, THE BYLAWS AND HOW THEY ARE ENFORCED IS NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. DO YOU STILL NEED TO REQUEST THEIR TURN? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SCHEDULE THEIR TOURNAMENTS A YEAR IN ADVANCE OR NOT, BUT DO YOU THAT IS IN THE CONDITIONS ABUSE AS WELL. DO YOU STILL NEED THEIR TOURNAMENT SCHEDULES? WE DO. YEAH. JUST SO GO BACK. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF PUBLIC RENTALS. OKAY. WE'VE GOTTA KNOW WHEN THE THE FIELDS ARE BEING OCCUPIED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, MEGAN. YES. UM, THE SCHEDULE YOU'LL PROBABLY NEED TO COME UP. TODD, I NEED A ROLLING CHAIR. UM, THIS, THE SCHEDULE IS THAT FOR A YEAR STARTING, SO WHAT WE REQUIRE IN THE AGREEMENT IS THAT UPON OPENING DAY, WE HAVE A SCHEDULE, I THINK IT'S TWO WEEKS. IT'S EITHER ONE WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AFTER OPENING DAY. OKAY? MM-HMM, WELL, THE SCHEDULE, I MEAN, WE COULD, WE CAN LITERALLY HAVE A TOURNAMENT POP UP ANY TIME. AND, AND IN THAT CASE, I THINK IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, WE HAVE TO KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO KNOW TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE. OKAY. BECAUSE SEE, HERE'S, [00:45:01] HERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE IS AT ONE TIME WE HAD ANOTHER, NOT A GSA, I MEAN NOT A SA SOFTBALL, BUT IT WAS, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY PGF WAS ANOTHER OH, ORGANIZATION KIND OF LIKE U-S-A-U-S-A. THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION FAFSA. WE WERE ON THEIR RADAR AS, AS FILL IN IF THEY HAD A TOO MANY TEAMS OR, OR RAINED OUT AT A CERTAIN SPOT PLACE TO HAVE TO HOLD TOURNAMENTS FOR THEM TOO, TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR TOURNAMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULDN'T LEAVE PEOPLE OUT. AND AT ONE POINT WE WERE ON THAT SCHEDULE AND WE TRIED TO STAY ON THAT SCHEDULE JUST IN CASE THEY NEED OVERFLOW FIELDS. SO THAT COULD COME UP AT WITHIN A DAY. BUT IF, YOU KNOW, THAT SCHEDULE CANNOT BLOCK THAT OFF ANYWAYS, IF I CAN FIND THAT OUT, YES. BUT IF WE BLOCK IT OFF, IT DOESN'T MATTER AS LONG AS IT'S BLOCKED OFF. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THAT'S HOW I'VE GOT, OKAY. THIS TIME. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY WANNA SCHEDULE A TOURNAMENT THAT HAPPENS TO OVERLAP ON ONE OF THEIR DAYS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN THE CITY AS A DAY WHEN THEY, CAN THEY HAVE FIRST TRY OF TAKING THAT DAY BACK FOR THAT TOURNAMENT? OR IS THAT NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE LEAGUES? I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO DESIGNATE THE DAY. SO IF THEY DESIGNATED THE DAY, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT THEY'RE NOT OVERSCHEDULING ON TOP OF IT. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT A DESIGNATE DAY. 'CAUSE THE RAIN NOW, SOMETIMES THEY'LL PLAY WELL AND THEIR RAINOUTS ARE SPECIFIED IN HERE. SO IN THE AGREEMENT IT SAYS IF IT IS RAINED OUT AND IT MUST TAKE THE DAY THAT WAS DESIGNATED FOR THE PUBLIC, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED AND WE WOULD ALLOW THAT. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY, BUT YOU CAN'T DESIGNATE A DAY AND THEN INTENTIONALLY SCHEDULE ALL YOUR TOURNAMENTS ON YOUR DESIGNATED DAY. OKAY. BUT IF THEY'RE DOING A TOURNAMENT AND THEY GET RAINED OUT AND THEY NEED THAT DAY FOR TO FINISH THE TOURNAMENT PLAY OR WHATEVER, THAT'S OKAY. RIGHT. AND SAME THING WITH PRACTICE AND GAMES, NOT JUST TOURNAMENTS. YEAH. MM-HMM. . YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS REQUESTING USE OF THE FIELD? YES, WE DO. YOU DO? YEP. IT'S A WHOLE MACHINE OUT THERE. YOU WHAT? IT'S A MACHINE OUT THERE. IT'S JUST EVERY WEEKEND, THE DAY OF THE WEEK DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME DAY OF THE WEEK, EVERY WEEK. AS LONG AS YOU DESIGNATE IT, IT'S ONE DAY A WEEK. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE SCHEDULE. RIGHT? RIGHT. WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. THAT WAY WHEN WE GET CALLED, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SUPPORT YOU BASED ON, WE CAN SUPPORT THE ASSOCIATIONS BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW IN ADVANCE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PRACTICE GAMES. THEY'RE MAINTEN IN THE FIELDS, WHATEVER THEIR DESIGNATED DAY, WE KNOW WE CAN RENT TO THE PUBLIC THAT DAY. SO THIS KEEPS GETTING BROUGHT UP. AND I DON'T BLAME 'EM BECAUSE, UH, USED TO BE ON SEVERAL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FIELDS AND THE MAINTENANCE AND YOU GUYS SCHEDULE IT AND THEY TEAR UP THE FIELDS, IT'S RAINY. IT'S TOO WET FOR 'EM TO PLAY WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING IT READY FOR THE NEXT DAY, RIGHT? YES AND NO. WE DO, OUR PARK SUPERINTENDENT STUART CROUCH, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF ASSESSING THE FIELDS BEFORE REYNOLDS AND ALSO AFTER, IF SOMEONE DESTROYS THE FIELDS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RENT TO THEM. AGAIN. IF WE HAVE ISSUES, WE WILL DOCUMENT IT, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THE ASSOCIATIONS. BUT TWO, YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A CO-SPONSORSHIP AGREEMENT, YOU ALSO HAVE CITY TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TOWARDS $10,000. AGAIN, EACH PER ASSOCIATION THAT TAX PAYERS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE MAINTENANCE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OF THESE FIELDS IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER CAPITAL OR BOND DEBT ISSUANCE THAT WE'RE ADDING ON TO THE FIELDS THAT THEY THEN GET TO UTILIZE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMMING. SO IT IS A MUTUAL BENEFICIAL, UH, COLLABORATION, I WILL SAY. BUT IT'S NOT JUST FOR THOSE 300, 400 KIDS THAT ARE GOING OUT THERE. IT'S ALSO FOR ADULTS THAT WANT TO UTILIZE THE FIELDS AS A PUBLIC ASSET OR AN AMENITY. SO IT'S NOT JUST THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE SERVING, IT'S THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO. WE'RE NOT CHARGING THEM FOR ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. IT'S A, WE HAVE THESE FILLS CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT FOR YOU TO RUN A YOUTH PROGRAM, WHICH IS BENEFICIAL TO US BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY OR THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT. SO IT'S MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YES, THEY'RE, IT'S, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE EXPRESSED TO A-B-L-C-I BELIEVE BEFORE MAYBE EVEN THE PARKS BOARD. IT'S LIKE A, A RENTAL HOUSE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO INTO A PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE RENTING AND NOT PAY RENT. THEIR RENT IS MAINTENANCE OF THE FIELDS. THAT GIVES THEM THE AUTHORITY TO UTILIZE THEM [00:50:01] AS MUCH AND AS FREQUENTLY AS THEY DO AND HAVE THE FIRST PRIORITY. IF THEY HAD AN OFF SEASON, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY GAVE YOU THREE MONTHS STRAIGHT EVERY DAY FOR THREE MONTHS, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE INSTEAD OF A WEEKLY DAY THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU? I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING FOR ONE DAY EVERY WEEK OF THE WHOLE YEAR. WHAT IF THEY WANT TO BLOCK OUT SIX MONTHS AND SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ANY DAY, BUT YOU CAN HAVE IT THE OTHER SIX MONTHS. I MEAN, IS THAT FLEXIBLE AT ALL WHERE YOU GIVE 'EM, UM, TIME, YOU KNOW, THE CHOICE ON WHAT DAYS? CAN YOU KNOW WHAT MONTHS EVEN THAT THERE IS OFF SEASON? I KNOW GIRLS' SOFTBALL PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A OFF SEASON. THEY PROBABLY PLAY ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOCCER, BUT NONE OF 'EM ARE LIKE THAT. . I WOULD, I WOULD SAY TOO, UH, JUST AS YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE PLAYING REC LEAGUE, MAYBE IT'S YEAR ROUND, YOU ALSO HAVE OTHER TEAMS THAT MAYBE THEY'RE SELECT AND THEY'RE PLAYING YEAR ROUND. SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THIS IN LENGTH AND THERE COULD BE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS. AND YES, YOU CAN CONSIDER ALL OF THE OPTIONS. UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING THIS EVENING, I THINK WILL BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE REQUEST THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, FOR JUST EVEN A DESIGNATED DAY. YEAH. UM, TO HAVE PRACTICE, CAN YOU CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME? ABSOLUTELY. THAT, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT AT THE PLEASURE OF THE, THE ADVISORY BOARD. HOWEVER, THE ULTIMATE DECISION COMES DOWN TO CITY COUNCIL. SO YES, THE ANSWER IS WE CAN, WE CAN CREATE A COMPLETELY NEW AGREEMENT. IT COULD ALL BE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT. THE CITY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WOULD LIKE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT IS IN THE BEST, UM, INTEREST OF ALL RESIDENTS, NOT JUST ONE SPECIFIC ENTITY. ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? I THINK WE ARE. OKAY. , THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. ITEM [3. Discussion and possible action on Freedom Park Passive Area design and estimate of probable costs.] THREE IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON FREEDOM PARK, PASSIVE AREA DESIGN AND ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COSTS. SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD RECOMMENDED AND A BLC UH, DID APPROVE LAST FISCAL YEAR. AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS OF THE PASSIVE AREA. THAT'S THAT 40 ACRE NORTHERN TRACK OF FREEDOM PARK, UH, WHERE WE WERE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT. THEY WERE EXCAVATING THE POND FOR REGIONAL DETENTION. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, UH, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. TRULY THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. UH, AND IT'S REALLY GONNA BE A NICE PASSIVE WALKING TRAIL, UH, IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE CAN CONSTRUCT, CONSTRUCT THE SITE. SO WHAT THIS IS, THEY ARE AT 30% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BEFORE THEY CAN GO ANY FURTHER. WE REALLY NEED TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE TO BOTH A BLC AND CITY COUNCIL REGARDING HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WAS A BLC WAS A LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH RANGE OF COSTS ASSOCIATED REALLY PRIMARILY WITH THE CROSSING. SO WE'VE GOT A CROSSOVER RANCHO DITCH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO CROSS OVER THE WEIR. AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS DOING A BOARDWALK OR A PREFAB BRIDGE. YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET THE BENEFITS OF BOTH. UM, SO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS HERE TONIGHT, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS A VLC MADE WAS TO COME BACK WITH SOME REVISED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ELIMINATING OR PHASING RATHER THE WEIR PREFAB BRIDGE. AND SO IT'S STILL AN ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY AS YOU CREATE A BRIDGE OVER RANCHO DITCH. YOU HAVE A LONG PATHWAY ALONG THE POND IN THE PASSIVE AREA, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN OUT AND BACK MUCH WHAT YOU WOULD THINK IF YOU'VE BEEN TO MCLEAN PARK. UM, IT'S AN OUT AND BACK. AND SO THIS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. AND SO WHAT, SAY THAT WORD, AN OUT AND BACK PATHWAY. SO RATHER THAN A FULL CONNECTED LOOP, IT'S JUST AN OUT AND A BACK. IT'S STILL ALL COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE MEETING YOUR A DA REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE BRIDGE OVER THE WEIR STRUCTURE WOULD BE PHASED IN UNTIL THERE ARE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND THAT BROUGHT THE COST DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. SO WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. THAT'S A FULL LOOP. SO THAT'S ON PAGE 45. OH, LOST MY AGENDA. GIMME ONE SECOND. MINE CRASHED. AND THE RIGHT AFTER 45, YOU HAVE, WELL, , YOU HAVE A SCHEMATIC DRAWING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN YOU HAVE AN [00:55:01] ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COSTS FOR THOSE ITEMS. AND THOSE ARE WHAT A BLC HAD DISCUSSION ON, UM, AND RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE REVISED. SO THE LAST COUPLE OF PAGES ATTACHED TO THAT DOCUMENT ARE THE REVISIONS AND REVISE COST ESTIMATES, WHICH CHANGES IT PRETTY DRASTICALLY AND GETS US CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COSTS WHEN BURETT WAS WORKING ON THIS. AND SO LET ME DO THIS SLOWLY SO IT DOESN'T CRASH ON ME AGAIN. I HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS. OH GOSH. IT'S DONE. IT'S DOWN LIKE FOUR TIMES FOR ME. YEAH, IT'S A REALLY LARGE DOCUMENTS, RIGHT. WHEN YOU, LET'S SEE IF I CAN, RIGHT WHEN GET , SO IF I CAN REMEMBER OFF AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE LOW UH, BID AND THAT IS FOR A, UH, BOARDWALK CROSSING OF A RANCHO, WHICH IS NOT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF JUST FOR THE LONGEVITY AND THE VEHICLE ACCESS. IF YOU HAVE VEHICLES ON THAT BRIDGE, WE NEED SOMETHING A LITTLE HARDIER IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. WE'RE RECOMMENDING A PREFAB, SO WE WOULDN'T GO WITH THE LOWEST. IT'S AROUND, I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE 337,000, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION. THEN YOU HAVE A MID RANGE. AND I THINK THE HIGH RANGE WAS IN, IN THE MEDIUM RANGE. LET ME UH, GO BACK TO THAT. THEY ARE BASING THEIR HIGH, MEDIUM LOW ON RECENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF OTHER PARK DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. AND SO SOME PREFAB BRIDGES HAVE COME IN AT A LOWER RATE AND SOME INCREDIBLY HIGH. SO THEY'RE GIVING YOU AN IDEA SO THAT THEY DON'T JUST PUT ONE NUMBER OUT THERE AND THEN WE GO OUT TO BID AND THEN YOU'RE COMPLETELY SHOCKED BY HOW MUCH IT IS. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PROVIDING THE MEDIUM AND HIGH ON THE PREFAB BRIDGE. AND I BELIEVE THE HIGH, DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT I WANNA SAY IT WAS AROUND 677,000 WITH THE PREFAB BRIDGE, WHICH GETS US A LOT CLOSER TO WHERE WE WERE ORIGINALLY EXPECTING THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT TO BE. AND SO WITH THAT, UH, THE STAFF IS JUST LOOKING FOR INPUT AS IT RELATES TO THE RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE TO A BLC AND CITY COUNCIL RELATED TO THE BRIDGE CROSS. UM, WHETHER THAT IS A PREFAB BRIDGE OR, UM, JUST A, A GENERAL BOARDWALK CROSSING. SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU THIS EVENING. AND ALSO IF, IF YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH THE OUT AND BACK RATHER THAN COMPLETING THE PROJECT ALL AT ONE TIME, I THINK FROM WHAT I READ LIKE LAST WEEK, THE CHEAPER OPTION, THE WOODEN BRIDGE MM-HMM. HAS A LIFESPAN OF LIKE, WHAT, 15 YEARS? 25 TO 50? I'M LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. YEAH, MINE CRASHED AGAIN. UM, AND THE LIFESPAN FOR THE, I THINK THE MORE COSTLY OPTION WAS LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS. YEAH. SO, UM, 35 YEARS WITHOUT RESTING. YEAH. BUT WE LIMIT THE USE OF THE WOODEN BRIDGE BECAUSE NO VEHICLE ACCESS. RIGHT. UM, IF SOME, IF TREES FALL IN THE BACK, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THERE. MANUAL LABOR CUT DOWN THE TREES, YES AND NO. SO WE STILL HAVE ACCESS WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY ACCESSING OFF OF VALDEZ, SO THEY CAN STILL, THEY'LL STILL HAVE THAT. UM, AND THAT'LL BE A PRIVATE ENTRY EASEMENT FOR THE CITY EASEMENT, ANGLETON DRAIN DISTRICT EASEMENT THAT WE'RE UTILIZING. AND THAT HONESTLY IS HOW WE MOWED THE PARCEL BEFORE . SO, AND STILL ARE MAINTAINING IT. UM, THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WITH CONCOURSE DEVELOPMENT HAS, HAS BEEN BACK THERE EXCAVATING. SO WE HAVE NOT HAD TO GO BACK AND MAINTAIN IT, BUT THAT PROJECT WILL SOON COME TO A CLOSE AND WE WILL BE, UNTIL THERE IS ACCESS FROM FREEDOM, WE WILL BE ACCESSING IT THE SAME WAY EITHER FROM THE LIFT STATION OFF A CAMPUS DRIVE OR VALDERS AND UTILIZING THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE, DISTRICT EASEMENT. SO WE CAN STILL GET EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES BACK THERE. IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE THROUGH THE SOUTHERN FREEDOM PARK PARCEL. DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF THE ONE AT MCLEAN PARK, I THINK THAT ONE'S METAL AND WOOD, HAVE YOU BEEN BACK TO THAT ONE, MEGAN? I HAVE, BUT NOT RECENTLY. I CAN'T REMEMBER EITHER. I DO THINK THEY HAVE THE PREFAB METAL STRUCTURE. AND SO THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH THE, THE WOODEN STRUCTURE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. AND SO JASON WAS ABLE TO FIND OUR QUOTE THROUGH EMAIL INSTEAD OF THE PACKET SINCE IT'S BEEN CRASHING, IT CHANGED CRASHING, I CAN'T SAY. AND IT IS ACTUALLY, THE MID IS AROUND THE 600,000 AND THE, THE MAX IS OVER 700,000. AND THE MAX YOU'RE SAYING IS THE, IT'S THE HIGHEST ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST THAT THEY HAVE HAD ON A PREFAB BRIDGE. THE LOWEST ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST THEY'VE HAD AT RECENT PROJECTS IS AROUND THE $600,000 RANGE. BUT THAT IS NOT JUST THE BRIDGE ITSELF. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST THAT ITEMIZES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TREE PLANTINGS. [01:00:01] HERE'S THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAIL, HERE'S THE, UM, BENCHES. SO THERE'S STILL SITE FURNISHINGS WITH CONSTRUCTION. SO THE BRIDGE ITSELF, SORRY. THANK YOU. THE BRIDGE ITSELF SPECIFICALLY AT THE DITCH FOR THE LOW RANGE IS AROUND 335,000 AND FOR THE HUNDRED AND 68,000. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE OTHER CROSS ASSOCIATED, LIKE I MENTIONED, ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST WHEN YOU GO INTO CONSTRUCTION, OF COURSE YOU'RE, YOUR CLEARING AND GRADING, UH, ANY SOIL MODIFICATION YOUR ACTUAL SITE AMENITIES LIKE DECOMPOSED GRANITE IN THE TRAILS AND ANY ADDITIONAL VEGETATION PLANNING. SO, SO WITH NO SMALL VEHICLES ON, ON THE WOODEN BRIDGE. SO IF WE GO WITH THE PREFAB BRIDGE, WE'RE TELLING RESIDENTS, HEY, Y'ALL CAN RIDE THOSE GOLF CARTS BACK THERE. LET'S ORANGE MILL A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, WELL, OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES AND OUR PARK RULES, WE DO NOT ALLOW MOTORIZED VEHICLES. OKAY. ON OUR PATHWAYS. WELL, IT SAYS THAT IN LAKESIDE TOO, BUT I'VE SEEN 'EM OUT THERE. WELL, AND THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU SEE THAT CLARA, WE'RE EXPECTING YOU TO CALL P . OKAY. JUST AND HELP US OUT , BUT WITH THE IDENTIFICATION. RIGHT. AND WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS IT, BUT YOU KNOW YEAH. THAT WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT OUT THERE POLICING IT. NO. BUT YES. SO W WITH, WITH, WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF DOING THE VEHICLE ACCESS AND IF WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT ON THE OTHER SIDE ON VALERIUS? UH, WELL, AGAIN, IT'S AN ANGLETON DRAIN DISTRICT EASEMENT. SO IF THEY DECIDE ONE DAY THEY DON'T WANNA ALLOW US ACCESS, WE NEED THE ABILITY TO OH, RIGHT. I DON'T THINK, I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. I REALLY DON'T. UH, AGAIN, FOR THE, THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE BEEN ACCESSING IT THROUGH CAMPUS DRIVE AND OR VALDES TYPICALLY CAMPUS DRIVE, UH, OVER BY OUR LIFT STATION AND, AND MOWING WITH OUR TRACTOR THAT WAY. SO AGAIN, I REALLY, AGAIN, I REALLY DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. BUT THEN ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS THAT IT LISTS AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE GOES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT ANYWAYS. BUT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE MAINTENANCE INVOLVED IN, UH, A BOARDWALK CROSSING VERSUS A PREFABBED BRIDGE. AND THIS IS, IT'S NOT, AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN FUNDED. THE CONSTRUCTION HAS NOT. SO WE DO, ONCE WE GET, WE ARE AT 30% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THE TYPICAL CHAIN OF EVENTS, ONCE WE GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, AND IN ORDER TO GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM, WE WANT YOU TO DESIGN A BOARDWALK OR WE WANT YOU TO DESIGN IT WITH A PREFAB BRIDGE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT A, A STANDSTILL WITH DESIGN DOCUMENTS IS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA KNOW HOW TO SPEC OUT THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. ONCE YOU MAKE THE DECISION A BLC APPROVES THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVES, UH, THAT CHANGE, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WE CAN GO OUT TO BID, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO SUPPORT CONSTRUCTION, WE PROBABLY WON'T. SO WE'LL HAVE A HEALTHY SET OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO GO OUT TO BID. SOME THINGS, CATALYST THAT WILL HELP US DO THAT ARE IF WE, IF A BLC HAS ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND UH, THEY'RE HOPEFUL UPCOMING DEBT ISSUANCE THAT COULD MAYBE SUPPORT THE FUND. WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT FOR TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, RECREATION TRAILS GRANT, LOCAL PARK DEVELOPMENT GRANT. SO THOSE ARE SOME DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE CAN TRY TO PURSUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. BUT HERE TODAY ALL WE'RE DISCUSSING IS DI DESIGN DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENT. SO WE CAN COMPLETE THIS PHASE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR AND APPROVED. I THINK IF YOU DO THE PREFAB BRIDGE , WE'D PROBABLY BE HAPPIER WITH THAT OPTION, EVEN THOUGH IT COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, PROBABLY LOOK BETTER , IT WOULD PROBABLY LOOK BETTER AND PEOPLE WOULD BE VERY MUCH MORE RECEPTIVE TO THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, UH, THEY JUST PUT A WOODEN BRIDGE OVER A BODY OF WATER. YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? RIGHT. AND AGAIN, THE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT AND THE MAINTENANCE TO IT. SO I THINK ON THAT, I AGREE WITH THE PREFAB BRIDGE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, NOT GOING OVER THE WEIR FOR NOW? WHAT IS EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS? RIGHT. PHASING THE PROJECT. YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY WERE SHOWING THE BIG LOOKOUT ALMOST WHERE IT WAS. RIGHT. A LOT OF [01:05:01] BRIDGE OR RIGHT. MM-HMM. THAT'S COOL. FROM A PHOTOGRAPHER PERSPECTIVE OR WHATEVER, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF STRUCTURE. RIGHT. AND EVENTUALLY THE HOPE IS THAT IT IS A LOOP TRAIL. IT DOESN'T EVER HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE THAT IT NOT BE, UM, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM A BLC WAS THAT IT JUST BE PHASED. YEAH. AND SO WHEN IT IS PHASED, IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE PARKS BOARD WHEN WE'RE READY TO PHASE IN THAT PROJECT AND COME BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. DOES THIS NEED TO BE A BOARDWALK HERE? DOES THIS NEED TO BE A, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE DESIGNING THIS IN WHOLE, MUCH LIKE LAKESIDE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO SPECIFY THAT NOW SO THAT THEY CAN COMPLETE IT. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT DESIGN WORK DONE. WE'RE NOT PAYING EXTRA 10 YEARS FROM NOW RIGHT. TO GET THAT DONE. YEAH. YEAH. SO, AND, AND THIS IS JUST PURELY FOR THE DESIGN PART OF IT, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT WHEEL. CORRECT. CORRECT. CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT BE TRIGGERED UNTIL WE HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE. SO THIS IS JUST SO WE CAN COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT. OKAY. THEN I WOULD SAY MOTION, I MEAN TO DO BOTH. YEAH, DO BOTH. THAT WAY WHEN PREFAB BRIDGES. YEAH. THAT WAY WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DO IT. AND I'M GOOD WITH PHASING IT OUT IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION? YEAH. YES. I MOTION THAT GETS DONE. YOU GOTTA STAY IT, YOU GOTTA SPEAK IT. UH, YEAH. A MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE PREFAB BRIDGE OPTION AND THE WEIR TO GET THAT BOTH, UH, PREFAB FOR RANCHO DITCH AND THE WEIR. YES. JUST FOR THE, OKAY. THE FA THEM IN IS FUND PHASE IN THE WEIR WITH THE BRIDGE BEING THE OBVIOUS PRIORITY. AND THEN THE WEIR. OKAY. YES. GREAT. SECOND. TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH. GREAT. SORRY. NO, THAT IT'S, IT'S GOOD THOUGH. WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT. OH A SECOND. MAKE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE AGREEING ON. YEAH. AND THIS IS JUST ON THE DESIGN ASPECT OF IT, RIGHT? JUST ON DESIGN. MM-HMM. . OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION CARRIES. THANK. AND GO AHEAD. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO, DO WE STILL NEED TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE INN OUT OR NO, TALK ABOUT THE, IF IT WAS A FULL LOOP OR, UH, I HEARD THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE PHASED. I'M SORRY. YEAH, I PHASED. OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. ALRIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE COME TO THE LAST AGENDA ITEM. IF WE CAN FIND IT IN OUR PACKET. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I JUST ON PAGE. JUST GO REAL SLOW. YEAH. 50 53, 3 TIME. I HAVE IT MEMORIZED AT THIS POINT. EVERY TIME I GET CLOSE THAT. SO GO. IF YOU GO TO THE TOP AND YOU CLICK ON THE NUMBER, OR IF YOU CLICK ON THE NUMBER NEXT TO THE AGENDA ITEMS, IT SHOULD POP YOU ALL THE WAY TO THE MAKES SENSE. YEAH. LOOK AT YOU. THANK YOU. TECHNOLOGY. SO DISCUSSION AND [4. Discussion and possible action on replacement natatorium components for the Angleton Recreation Center.] POSSIBLE ACTION ON REPLACEMENT NATATORIUM COMPONENTS FOR THE ENGLETON RECREATION CENTER. SO THIS IS AN ITEM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE THIS PAST SPRING. WE HAVE AN UH, NATATORIUM AMENITY THAT REALLY WASN'T SAFE FOR THE PUBLIC USE. SO WE DID HAVE IT BLOCKED OFF ALL SUMMER. WE DID HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MITIGATE THE ISSUE. WE INITIALLY THOUGHT WE HAD SOMEONE TO COME IN AND RE WELD AND REPAIR WHAT WAS NEEDED. AND WHEN HE GOT ON SITE, HE FOUND THIS IS, THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK. THIS IS TOO LARGE OF A SCOPE. UM, SO HE WITHDREW, UH, FROM, FROM THOSE REPAIRS AT THAT POINT. WE THEN BEGAN, UH, THIS PAST SUMMER SOLICITING REQUESTS TO CAP THE AREA SO THAT WE COULD AT LEAST REMOVE THE UNSAFE AMENITY. UH, AND THEN ALSO TO REPLACE IT COMPLETELY. SO WE'VE HAD THIS AT A BLC TWICE. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PARK BOARD RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE TAKE IT BACK TO A BLC. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE DEBT ISSUANCE FOR A BLC IF THAT MOVES FORWARD. AND SO, AND IF IT DOES NOT, IF THE DEBT ISSUANCE FOR A BLC DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD, WE DO HAVE CONTINGENCY AND THIS IS GONNA BE OUR TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE OUR MAIN REVENUE GENERATOR FOR THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER IS OUR NATATORIUM SPECIFICALLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. SO YOU'LL SEE HERE, I WILL TELL YOU ONE OTHER THING. THE A BLC DID REMOVE ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT WAS AN AMENITY, I WOULD SAY OFFERING FEWER COMPONENTS THAN WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE NOW ARE IMPROVED AMENITIES AND OR SIMILAR OR BEYOND. UH, SO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL FROM VORTEX AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS FROM LONE STAR REC RECREATION IN YOUR PACKET TO CONSIDER. AND SO WE'LL OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. [01:10:02] VORTEX GIVES YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION. THEY SURE DO. . UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED ON THE VORTEX ONE, THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT COOPERATIVE PRICING AND THAT THEY'RE ON BUYBOARD, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY LISTED ON THE QUOTE THAT THEY WERE GIVING US B BOARD PRICING. RIGHT. WHICH COULD BE LOWER. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, I NOTICED THE OTHER ONES WERE SPECIFICALLY SHOWING BY BOARD PRICING. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CHECK INTO. ABSOLUTELY. AND ONE THING I'LL NOTE ON THERE AS WELL IS WE STARTED COLLECTING THESE QUOTES IN PREPARATION FOR THE BUDGET SEASON AND EARLIER ON IN THE SUMMER. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON A PRODUCT, WE'VE DECIDED WE WILL GO BACK OUT TO THE VENDORS AND ASK FOR A REVISED QUOTE BECAUSE THESE QUOTES ARE, UH, HAVE EXPIRATION DATES. AND SO ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED FROM ONE OF THE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS WAS THAT THEY ARE ALREADY EXPIRED AND THEY WILL BE UNTIL WE GO, WE DECIDE ON A CONTRACTOR AND ASK FOR ADJUSTED PRICING. NORMALLY WHEN WE ARE GIVEN OPTIONS LIKE THIS, YOU GIVE US CRITERIA AND WE VOTE ON 'EM, AND THEN WE GET A SCORE. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCORE AND YOU AVERAGE IT OUT. YOU DIDN'T DO THAT THIS TIME. SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE PROCESS. SO, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW. SURE. SO YEAH, THEY ALL LOOK GOOD. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WHAT I WILL SAY IS TYPICALLY WHAT CLEAR IS REFERRING TO IS WHEN WE UTILIZE CONSULTANT SERVICES, WE GO OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS OR WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS WHERE THERE IS VALUATION CRITERIA INVOLVED. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, BOTH OF THESE VENDORS ARE BY BOARD VENDORS, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO COME ON SITE AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT OUR PLUMBING FOOTPRINT IS, WHAT AMENITIES AND WHAT SOLUTIONS CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT PROVIDE US THE SAME VALUE OR GREATER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND I CAN TELL YOU ALL OF THESE PROPOSALS ARE AT VALUE OR GREATER. SO IT IS VALUE ADDED. WE HAVE SOME PLUMBING VALVES THAT ARE COMPLETELY NOT EVEN IN USE NOW THAT EACH OF THESE COMPANIES ARE PROPOSING TO PUT BACK IN USE. AND SO THEY'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE GALLONS PER MINUTE, WHICH, UH, WE'RE RESTRICTED ON WHAT AMENITIES WE CAN PUT IN CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE OF OUR PUMP CAPACITY. AND SO EVERYTHING THAT IS PRESENTED HAS MET OUR SPECIFICATIONS. YOU WILL SEE IN SOME OF THE LAYOUTS, UH, IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT KIND OF THE OVERALL DESIGN FOOTPRINT, SOME OF THEM HAVE A SPLASH ZONE THAT EXCEEDS WHAT WE HAVE NOW. AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE LARGER AND GREATER AMENITIES. AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU CAN EXPECT SOME ADDITIONAL WATER ON THE DECK, UM, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON IN AN INDOOR AUDITORIUM. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, FOR SLIPPING HAZARDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE, WE HAVE DECKING IN PLACE THAT WE KNOW WE'RE OPERATING IN AN INDOOR AND AUDITORIUM THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS. UM, SO THE VENDORS THAT ARE PRESENTED HERE IN THE PROPOSALS THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED MEET ALL OF OUR SPECIFICATIONS. WE AS STAFF AND AS A CITY DON'T WANT TO PRESENT A BIASED, UH, UH, CHOICE INPUT TO THE BOARD. WE DON'T WANNA SWAY YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH VENDORS. SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT TO THE PARKS BOARD FOR, FOR INPUT. ARE ANY OF THESE TWO VENDORS THE ONE THAT PUT THE ORIGINAL ONE IN THAT'S OUT OF SERVICE RIGHT NOW? NO. NO. OKAY. AND THESE ARE WELL-KNOWN VENDORS THROUGHOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION INDUSTRY. SO THESE VENDORS ARE ONES THAT, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, LONE STAR RECREATION, THEY WORK WITH, UH, THEIR MANUFACTURER IS CALLED AQUATICS. AND THEY RECENTLY INSTALLED MISSOURI CITY SLASH PAD PROBABLY A YEAR AGO. I DID LIKE THAT THEY PUT THEIR REFERENCES OF WHERE THEY'VE BEEN. RIGHT, RIGHT. VORTEX ALSO VERY WELL KNOWN AND, AND USED FREQUENTLY THROUGHOUT A TON OF DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES. ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE THAT WE REQUESTED A PROPOSAL FROM BUT DID NOT SUBMIT ANYTHING AS CRAFTSMEN. UM, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROPOSAL. THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING. BUT THEY'RE ALSO USED TREMENDOUSLY FOR SPLASH PADS AND WATER AMENITIES. VORTEX ISN'T LOCAL. LIKE THEY ARE NOT, SO THEY'RE A EUROPEAN COMPANY. BUT, AND THAT'S THE PART THAT WORRIES ME. LIKE IF WE HAVE TO GET SERVICED RIGHT, IT'S GONNA BE DOWN FOR A WHILE. AND WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS TOO AS IT RELATES TO THE BOND ISSUANCE IS WE WANTED TO HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF TIMELINE AND WHEN WE COULD ORDER, PUT A PO IN AND ACTUALLY HAVE CONSTRUCTION DONE. UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU, YOU'D ACTUALLY BE SURPRISED FROM ONE VENDOR TO THE OTHER KNOWING THAT ONE IS, [01:15:01] UM, NOT LOCAL, NOT IN THE US MANUFACTURED IN THE US THEY STILL, THEY HAVE, I BELIEVE MANUFACTURING PLANTS IN CANADA. UH, AND SO THEY, THEY DO HAVE ITEMS READILY AVAILABLE. SO WE WERE, WE WERE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH MANUFACTURING LEAD TIMES. I'M WORRIED ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE 'CAUSE I'M GUESSING WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THEM TO COME IN TO MAINTENANCE THEIR EQUIPMENT OR WARRANTY THEIR RIGHT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I WILL SAY, UH, MATT, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IS IT MATCHING? I CAN'T. HE IS A LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE. SO WHILE THEY'RE A EUROPEAN COMPANY, THEY HAVE REPS ALL OVER THE NATION AND I BELIEVE MATT IS WITHIN THE HOUSTON AREA. THEY'RE MORE AFFORDABLE. . YEAH. THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT PRICE JUMP. BUT AFTER LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE LONE STAR, THE OPTION ONE SEEMS TO MATCH MORE WHAT WE CURRENTLY ALREADY HAD. UM, THE VORTEX, THE YEAH, VORTEX SEEMS A LITTLE SMALLER, BUT IT COULD JUST BE THE RENDERING DESIGN GRAPHICS. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT'S JUST THE DESIGN. 'CAUSE THE FOOTPRINT IS ABOUT THE SAME. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND I WILL SAY ALL OF THE PROPOSALS, THEY ARE ADDING MORE FEATURES THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OPERATIONAL. AND, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE ONE THAT'S DOWN. OF COURSE, THAT'S, IF THAT ONE WAS UP, ALL OF THESE DESIGNS ARE MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY OFFERING. SO THE FEATURE THAT'S DOWN RIGHT NOW IN THE REC CENTER, IS THAT THE ONE WITH THE BRIDGE OR IS IT THE THING THAT DUMPS THE WATER OUT? THAT, OR WHAT IS IT THAT'S DOWN RIGHT NOW AT THE RIGHT CENTER THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S THE ACTUAL SLIDE AND PLATFORM, BUT THE DUMP BUCKETS IS, UH, JASON CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN. UM, SO YEAH, SO THERE'S CURRENT, TECHNICALLY THREE COMPONENTS. UH, FOR THE FEATURES THAT WE HAVE. UH, ONE OF 'EM IS THE DUMP BUCKETS. THAT ONE IS OPERATIONAL AND STILL FUNCTIONING. UH, THE SLIDE AND PLATFORM IS THE ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY DOWN OFFLINE ALTOGETHER. UH, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS, UH, ONE OF THE FORGOTTEN ONES IS ACTUALLY PIPING THAT WENT OVER THE LAZY RIVER THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDE LIKE A WATERFALL FEATURE OVER THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, I THINK THE ONE IN VORTEX HAS THE, THE LEAFS, THE BA TREE. YEAH. SO THAT ONE WOULD ACTUALLY COME BACK ONLINE. SO MOST PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT THAT ONE. 'CAUSE IT, THAT ONE'S BEEN OFFLINE FOR ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW YEARS. UM, BUT THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT GO WITH THAT. THE BIGGEST ONE THAT UH, BROUGHT TO QUESTION FOR THIS TO UH, REALLY PUSH FORWARD WAS THE PLATFORM FEATURE. UM, THE STRUCTURE OF THAT ONE DID GET COMPROMISED, SO WE HAD TO TAKE THAT PART OFFLINE. BUT THE DUMPING BUCKETS STILL IS AN OPERATION. JUST IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE THREE. WELL I GUESS JUST FROM SOMEBODY THAT IS AROUND THE REC CENTER, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT DO THE KIDS WANT? I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S POPULAR A SLIDE SLIDE? I MEAN, TO BE FAIR, A SLIDE IF THEY WANT ANYTHING. YEAH. UM, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE PROPOSALS THAT WERE PUT TOGETHER. UH, SO THERE IS GONNA BE SOME VARIATION. UM, AND AS MEGAN MENTIONED, ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT WAS REMOVED WAS BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME LIKE FOR LIKE, UM, AND DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT ACTUALLY REALLY GAINED US ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO GO WITH THAT. UM, SO THERE'S REALLY NO WRONG WAY TO GO WITH IT. UH, EACH OF THEM DOES ADD SOME NEW COMPONENTS TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. SO, UH, IF YOU CAN ENVISION OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE, IT REALLY IS JUST A PLATFORM. THE SLIDE, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING ELSE AROUND IT. UM, WHEREAS EACH OF THE OTHER PROPOSALS DO HAVE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT ARE ADDED TO IT THAT MAKE IT INTERACTIVE, UM, ON THE OUTSIDE OF AS WELL. SO IF YOU'RE ON THE GROUND LEVEL VERSUS GOING ON THE SLIDE, UM, WE LOOK AT IT AS SOME OF THE MAIN DESIGN OF IT IS, IS REALLY DESIGNED MORE FOR THE YOUNGER KID FEATURE. UH, SO IT'S PRIDES THAT INTERACTIVE PIECE FOR PARENTS AND KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN. WHEREAS OUR LARGER SLIDE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR LIKE YOUR TEENAGE, UH, GROUP AND EVERYTHING. UM, A LOT OF THE PLAY COMPONENTS AREN'T GONNA BE FOR THE LARGER AGE, BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU SOME OF THAT. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE DESIGNED IT IN A WAY THAT IT HAS INTERACTIVE PIECES AROUND IT VERSUS JUST THAT SLIDE COMPONENT ITSELF. SO, AND I NOTICED THE LONE STAR ONE DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE, UM, THE PIECE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER THE THE LAZY RIVER. THE LAZY RIVER. YEAH. NOPE, THEY DID NOT. I LIKE THAT IDEA. YEAH, THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THAT ONE IN THERE. AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM PREVIOUS THE, I MEAN THE DESIGN OF THE LAZY RIVER, WE CALL IT LAZY RIVER, BUT IT, MOST PEOPLE THINK IT INNER TUBES. IT DOESN'T HAVE TUBES OR ANYTHING. IT'S MORE OF A, AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT TO EITHER UH, WALK IN THAT OR SOME PEOPLE USE IT FOR EXERCISE. UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE DID ASK WAS, UH, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY IN PLACE, UH, PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE WATERFALL BECAUSE THEY WERE USING IT FOR EXERCISE. SO EVERY TIME THEY WALKED THROUGH IT, IT WAS LIKE JUST WATER POURING ON THEM. UM, AND THE ONE THAT VORTEX IS PROPOSING IS NOT THAT. IT'S KIND OF JUST A MORE SUBTLE PIECE [01:20:01] THAT KIND OF HITS IT TO WHERE YOU COULD AVOID IT. IT'S NOT UH, A WATERFALL ACROSS THE TOP. IT USED TO ACTUALLY BE A ARM THAT CAME UP OVER THE TOP OF IT AND IT WAS A WATER WATER WALL IF YOU WILL. SO THE NEW ONE ISN'T THAT? YEAH. SO , ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE THIS KIT IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE? ON PAGE ONE 30 FOR THERE'S A KID ON THE FAR RIGHT. YEAH. HE'S JUST KIND OF OUT THERE DOING HIS OWN THING, BUT HE IS GETTING SPLASHED ON, WE'VE USING THIS TO, TO SCROLL. MM-HMM, ON THE VORTEX MODEL OR ON THE UH, NO, THE AQUATICS. SO YEAH, LONE STAR RECREATION. LONE STAR. OKAY. WHAT PAGE WAS THAT? ONE 30. IS THAT WHAT LONE STAR RECREATION WOULD BE REPLACING THAT ARM WIDTH? YES. OH NO, I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S NOT THE ARM. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ACTUALLY REPLACING THAT IN GENERAL. UM, SO THE ONE THAT'S ON ONE 30, THAT GREEN BUCKET YOU SEE WOULD ACTUALLY REPLACE OUR DUMPING BUCKETS. MM-HMM. . SO THAT WOULD BE REPLACED. THE CURRENTLY ONE THAT HAS THREE DUMPING BUCKETS AT IT, UM, WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT THERE. SO WHERE THAT KIT IS STANDING, THAT'S CLOSER TO WHERE THE ENTRY OF IT IS. UH, THE PURPLE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES, YES. UH, SO THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL LEDGE THERE WITH WATER GETTING DROPPED ON? YES. YEAH, NO, THAT WAS, IT'S JUST THE, THE WAY THE IMAGE LOOKS AT IT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE ZERO ENTRY IS. UM, I CAN SAY, UH, AS WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AS FAR AS LONE STAR GOES, UM, THEY HAVE LOOKED AT, UH, TRYING TO MAKE, UH, THE FOOTPRINT WORK FOR SOME OF THE PIECES BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DESIGN IS, UM, AND TRYING TO MANEUVER WHERE THE BEST SPACE FOR THAT IS. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS ONE CLOSER TO THE SIDE MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. UM, SO THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT THEY MAY NEED TO DO AS FAR AS THE PLUMBING GOES TO PUT THESE IN PLACE. BUT THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THEIR PROPOSAL AND PRICE. THEY WERE PROVIDED WITH THE SCHEMATICS OF THE FACILITY. SO THEY ALREADY KNOW GOING INTO IT WHAT THE WORK IS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UM, IT'S JUST, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE 'EM. THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT SPOTS BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO DESIGN THAT INTENTIONALLY BASED ON WHAT THEY LIKE THEIR EQUIPMENT WOULD FIT. UM, 'CAUSE THE OTHER SIDE THAT GOES WITH IT IS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE REC CENTER, IT IS A GRADUAL INCREASE AS FAR AS THE WATER GOING INTO THE WATER. SO YOU DO ENTER FROM EITHER THE ZERO ENTRY SIDE OR THAT SIDE I THINK GOES UP TO ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF. UM, SO THEY HAD TO BE INTENTIONAL THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT. LIKE THEY COULDN'T PUT A PIECE IN THE WATER THAT WAS TOO LOW THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE FEATURES OF SOMETHING LIKE THE SLIDE. SO IF THE SLIDE WAS TOO LOW INTO THE GROUND, YOU'D LOSE HALF THE SLIDE BECAUSE THE WATER'S TOO DEEP AT THAT POINT. SO THEY HAD TO ADJUST IT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT WORK BASED ON WHERE OUR ZERO ENTRY WAS AND HOW THE, THE NAVIGATION OF THAT, UH, PIECE WOULD BE. SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEIR COST IS HIGHER 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK TO MAKE IT WORK. I LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWING ON PAGE. WHAT ARE WE ON? HOW DO I TELL THE PAGE? COME ON. UH, BOTTOM RIGHT, THAT GRAY BOX. OH 1 31. THANK YOU. YEP. UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE SPREAD OUT, WHICH TO ME YOU COULD HAVE MORE KIDS PLAYING ON THE FEATURES AT ONE TIME. IT WOULDN'T BE SO CROWDED WHERE THEY'RE LIKE ALL, ALL UP ON THE PLATFORM. SO TO ME I LIKE THE MORE SPREAD OUT ONE, WHICH TO ME I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FE WHICH ONE THAT IS, BUT ON 1 31 I THINK IT'S OPTION TWO FROM YEAH, THEY SHOULD THE SAME ONE AS ONE 30. SO THE ONE 30 SHOULD BE, IT JUST GIVES YOU A DIFFERENT VIEW OF IT. YEAH. DIFFERENT ANGLE, UM, OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT THAT ONE SEEMS TO BE THE MOST SPREAD OUT WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF GET MORE KIDS INVOLVED WITHOUT BEING SO CROWDED. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU ACTUALLY GO DOWN TO 1 34, THAT KINDA GIVES YOU A VIEW WITHOUT KIDS IN THERE AS WELL, UM, TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE. UH, 'CAUSE THAT GIVES YOU THE OVERTOP VIEW. SO AM I WALKING IN THE MAIN DOORS? THAT'S WHERE THE BIG, THAT'S LIKE RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU WALK IN. THAT WOULD BE, UH, BASED ON THAT ONE WOULD BE OVER TO THE RIGHT. SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE, SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE, ON PAGE 1 35, IT'LL, IT'LL SHOW YOU, I'M GUESSING THE WALK-IN PART WILL BE, SO THE, THIS ONE WOULD BE RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE WALK-IN AND THE SPLASH BUCKET WOULD BE IN THE SPLASH DECK. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN WHERE THE OLD FEATURE IS, IS WHERE THE SPLASH BUCKET IS. MM-HMM. IS FARTHER IN. AND THEN THIS ONE ACTUALLY BUTTS UP TO THE ZERO ENTRY RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE PLAY FEATURE IS RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE ZERO ENTRY. AH. SO THINK ABOUT WHERE THE SPLASH BUCKET IS NOW AND WHERE YOU WALK IN, GO TO THE RIGHT SIDE, EVERYONE'S GOING COMPLAIN ABOUT SIDE. EVERY ADULT NOT [01:25:01] SWIMMING WILL COMPLAIN. IT'S OVER TO THE RIGHT. YEAH. YES. THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. WHAT WAS IT BE SPLASHED, YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU WA YEAH, BECAUSE IT PUTS THAT, THAT PURPLE BUCKET. YEAH. WELL TO BE FAIR, I THINK GO UP ONE. I THINK IT, I GUESS IT'S NOT, IT SHOWS YOU SPLASH ZONES ON ONE OF THE PAGES DOWN. OH, ON 1 33 IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE THERE. YEAH, IT DOES. 'CAUSE HE'S STANDING ON THE CHILD STANDING. I MEAN I WILL BE, UH, BE A HUNDRED PERCENT HONEST. UH, OUR CURRENT DROP BUCKETS NEVER FAIL THAT WHENEVER I WALK BY THEM I GET SPLASHED. WELL, YOU'RE BY A POOL MAN. I KNOW, I KNOW EXACTLY. YOU'RE OUTTA POOL. BUT YOU WOULD THINK BY NOW I WOULD TIME IT JUST RIGHT. NO BUT I'VE NEVER, AND IT'S ALWAYS LIKE, GET ME AGAIN. LIKE YOU WOULD THINK LIKE WHAT FILL UP AND WHAT SPLASH AND GO BY. BUT YEAH, IT MAY NOT BE AS DRASTIC AS THAT ONE. LIKE LOOKING AT THE PURPLE HERE, UM, THAT ONE IS TRULY RIGHT ON THE EDGE. YEAH. HOW DO I, HOW DO Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? IT'S RIGHT ON THE EDGE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THAT DOESN'T THROW ME. AND AGAIN, I THINK THE REASON BEHIND THIS WAS BECAUSE OF THEIR PLAY STRUCTURE FEATURE. IT HAD TO BE REMOVED FROM HOW DEEP THE WATER WAS TO COME FARTHER OUT TO ALLOW IT TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR RIGHTS DEPTH AT THE SLIDE. THAT, THAT IS REALLY THE BIG INDICATOR IS WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT IS STANDARD AND SAFE FOR THEM TO HAVE THE ENTRY IN FROM THE SLIDE HAS TO BE WITHIN A CERTAIN DEPTH. UM, SO THEY HAD TO MANEUVER. IT'S BASED ON THE FEATURES THAT THEY HAD AVAILABLE. SO IF THE DEBT ISSUANCE IS APPROVED, THEN THE BUDGET WOULD BE 500,000. BUT THAT INCLUDES OTHER MAINTENANCE COSTS. OKAY. SO THERE A LOT OF OTHER MAINTENANCE COSTS WHERE THIS IS DIGGING INTO. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DECISION. UM, I'M TO BE HONEST, YES. UH, SO WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED THE BUDGETS, I BELIEVE WE HAD 1.5 MILLION IN UH, REPAIRS THAT WE UH, REQUESTED FOR THIS YEAR. UM, ANYTHING FROM WE STILL HAVE TO ADDRESS OUR POOL DECK IS ANOTHER ONE OF 'EM. UH, THE AUDITORIUM LIGHTS IS ANOTHER FEATURE THAT'S PART OF THAT. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT RENOVATIONS FOR THE LOCKER ROOMS, UH, RENOVATIONS FOR THE BATHROOMS, UPGRADE AND RENOVATIONS FOR THE MULTIPURPOSE ROOM. WE HAVE SOME PAINTING AND SMALLER RENOVATIONS FOR THE, UH, GYM. UM, YEAH. UH, SURPRISED IN GENERAL ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE THIS IS. MM-HMM. THIS REPLACEMENT. MM-HMM. . WELL I MEAN LONG WHEN YOU THINK LONG TERM THOUGH, YOU KNOW, FACILITY BUILT 2005, IT'S ALMOST MADE IT 20 YEARS SO MM-HMM. AT ONE TIME. IT IS DEFINITELY A BIG INVESTMENT BUT IT DOES HOLD UP OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY IN AN AUDITORIUM. I MEAN THE ELEMENTS IN AN AUDITORIUM, UH, PRESENTS A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR. UH, SO FOR IT TO LAST FOR 20 YEARS IS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD. AND I'M HOPING THAT WARRANTY'S GOOD ON THE COATINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. THEY DO. THEY WILL HAVE A, A WARRANTY ON THAT. YEAH. SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE COVERED ON IT. UM, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR LIMITED WARRANTY THAT'LL COVER CERTAIN THINGS AND THEN AN EXTENDED THAT'LL COVER A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, BY THE EXTENDED WARRANTY. OKAY. SO IF WE DON'T LIKE THE PURPLE BUCKET ON THE EDGE THERE, WHAT, WHICH ONE WAS THAT ONE? IT'S OPTION TWO FROM LONE STAR. I LIKED IT 'CAUSE IT WAS SPREAD OUT. YEAH, WE, THE DISADVANTAGE OF THE I, I LIKE THE VORTEX AND THE LONE STAR OPTION ONE, BUT MY CONCERN IS IF YOU'RE DIGGING INTO PLUMBING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, WHAT ELSE IS THAT GONNA BREAK IN THE MEANTIME? AND SO VORTEX SEEMS LIKE THE SAFE, MORE AN EXPENSIVE OPTION AND THEY DID GREAT WOLF LODGE IN GRAPEVINE AND I'VE BEEN THERE AND THAT'S NICE. THERE HAVE PLACES IN TEXAS ACTUALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT IN THE REC CENTER IN GRAPEVINE AS WELL. SO IS VORTEX DOING A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE REPAIRS THAT, WELL NOT MAINTENANCE BUT SOME OF THE OTHER REPAIRS IN THEIR BID AS WELL OR NO? NO, THERE IS, THAT'S A BIG PRICE DIFFERENCE. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF AS FAR AS, SO LIKE LONE STAR IS LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE. MM-HMM. . IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING MORE OF THE REPAIRS THAT WE'RE WE'RE NEEDING AT OUR FACILITY OR NO? MM-HMM IS AQUATIC. SO, UH, VORTEX ISN'T OFFERING TO DO ANY OF THAT. NO. SO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN, THESE ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE. UH, UH SO WOULD L YEAH. LONE STAR. I MEAN YOU COULD LOOK AT THEM AS EQUAL UM, PROPOSALS. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING THAN THE OTHER WOULD BE DOING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF UM, PLUMBING. MM-HMM. IF THAT'S REQUIRED FOR LONE STAR STRUCTURES. SO WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHICH AESTHETIC OR WHICH SETUP OR WHATEVER WOULD BE THE BEST FOR THE MONEY. I'M JUST TRYING [01:30:01] TO THINK BACK TO, WE'RE DOING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE A BLC, RIGHT? YES. CITY COUNCIL. THEY'LL ULTIMATELY A BLC WILL BE THE FUNDING MECHANISM AND THEN CITY COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY APPROVE UM, THE AGREEMENT, TIMING RECOMMENDATIONS. ARE YOU WANTING ONE OR TWO PROVIDING LESS FUNCTIONALITY THAN THE OTHER ONES? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE VORTEX, THE FIRST ONE IS NOT PROVIDING ANY LESS FUNCTIONALITY THAN THE OTHER THREE. I MEAN IF, IF THIS WAS MY BACKYARD, I WOULD PICK THE CHEAPER OPTION. , SAME THING. TO ME IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NO BRAINER. SO I'M NOT SURE IF I WOULD, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPLASHING. THERE'S A SLIDE. IT'S SET UP FOR THE KIDS. IT REMINDS ME OF THE OYSTER CREEK, UH, PARK SPLASH PAD. THE COLORS IN THE, THE SHAPING MAY HAVE BEEN CORTEX. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THEY HAVE WHAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN CORTEX. YEAH, I LIKE THE UM, LEAF PART THAT DRIP THE WATER OR WHATEVER. MM-HMM. TO BE HONEST, I, I AM ONE THAT ALWAYS TRIES TO GET AWAY FROM THE WATER THAT COMES DOWN SO WELL AND FOR US THAT ONE CAN I SEE PEOPLE NOT WANTING THAT TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS. YEAH. AND UH, SO IT WAS A BENEFIT FOR THAT ONE TO BE CAPPED OFF. BUT IT ALSO, I MEAN THERE'S A DESIGN FOR IT SO WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE IT BACK IN TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS AN OPTION BUT MAYBE A LITTLE LESS AGGRESSIVE OF AN OPTION AS FAR AS THE WATER GOES. YEAH. WELL AND THE OTHER ONE ONES YOU SAID DID NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT? NO THEY DIDN'T. THE TEX DOES. THEY WEREN'T PROPOSING THAT THEY, THAT ADDITIONAL UH, UH, AN UPGRADE FOR THAT COMPONENT. THEY WERE JUST FOCUSING ON A REPLACEMENT OF THE THREE DUMP BUCKETS THAT WE HAVE. UM, AND THE UH, PLATFORM FEATURE. I THINK ANY OF THESE OPTIONS. SO TEX IS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FEATURE BESIDES THE OTHER ONE AND IT'S CHEAPER. MM-HMM. . AND IT COULD BE LESS WHEN THEY GIVE THEIR COOPERATIVE PRICING ON THE QUOTE AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AN ERROR. YEAH. YEAH. AND IT'S, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT JUST TO VERIFY IT COULD BE WAS CHEAPER THAN EVERYBODY. THAT'S KIND OF WORRISOME TOO. IT WORRIES ME THAT IT'S SO CHEAP, YOU KNOW? I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH THE OTHER ONES. WELL AND I WILL SAY TOO, IT REALLY ISN'T, IF YOU HAD CRAFTS CRAFTSMAN PROPOSAL ALSO YOU WOULD'VE SEEN A LOWER RANGE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL SAY THAT VORTEX IS A MEDIUM, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF BID. BUT IF YOU WERE TO SEE A CRAFTSMAN PROPOSAL FOR LIKE A SPLASH PAD OR A PLAY COMPONENT, IT WOULD BE EVEN CHEAPER. YEAH. I WILL SAY BASED OFF PRESENTATION VORTEX WINS. OH YEAH. MY OPINION. UM, SOUNDS LIKE ANY OPTION WE PICK IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I LIKE IT. I WOULD CONCUR ON THAT. RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OTHER PLACES THEY'VE DONE. BUT I LIKE THE GUNS, SQUI GUNS, I DIDN LIKE THE GUNS. YEAH. IS THAT SOMETHING? OH, UH, JASON'S HAVING ME EAT MY WORDS. CRAFT TAKES CRAFTSMAN. WE DID REACH OUT TO CRAFTSMEN AS WELL. UH, THEY WERE HIGHER THAN VORTEX. HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS THEY COULD NOT FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE HAD. AND SO THEY WERE ONLY GOING WITH PLAY FEATURES. SO, UH, DUMPING BUCKETS, UH, UH, WATER SPRAYERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WOULD NOT HAVE COME WITH A COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE HAVE. SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT MORE INDIVIDUAL PLAYING FEATURES TO IT. UM, YEAH. THEY JUST CAME A LITTLE LATE TO THE GAME. YEAH. IF I THINK IF VORTEX CAN GET CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER THAT, THAT THEY PROVIDED, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE HEY SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. THE VORTEX IS A LOT MORE SPLASHING AND I KNOW AS I HAVE UH, FOUR KIDS WHO LOVE THAT POOL. MM-HMM. . UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE FUN. MAKES ME WISH I HAD BABIES. STILL . I THINK THE COST TOO, KNOWING THAT THERE COULD BE SO MANY OTHER THINGS AND THERE IS OTHER THINGS THAT Y'ALL ARE ALREADY NEEDING TO DO. MM-HMM. I WOULD RECOMMEND THE VORTEX. WE ANYBODY GOT MORE QUESTIONS OR DO WE WANT READY TO MAKE A MOTION? NO, I MOTION, I'M MOTION TO PROCEED WITH VORTEX AS THE OPTION TO PRESENT TO A BLC TO FURTHER THIS PROJECT. WE GOT A SECOND. I SECOND. AYE. ALL IN FAVOR OF VORTEX. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? GOOD. YAY. WE'RE ALL ON. FANTASTIC. YES. WE'RE AT THE TIME WHERE WE ARE READY TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. SO I'LL LET YOU DO THE HONORS CLARA 7 0 5. PRETTY GOOD GUYS. ALL RIGHT. I MAY WE ADJOURN. [01:35:01] PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.