2. Presentation of Texas Recreation and Parks Society (East Region) Parks Professional of the Year award.

[3. Presentation of Texas Recreation and Parks Society (East Region) Innovation in Park & Recreation Facility Development award for Lakeside Park.]

INNOVATION AND PARK AND RECREATION FACILITY DEVELOPMENT AWARD FOR LAKESIDE PARK, WHICH WE JUST COVERED.

MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAZORIA COUNTY FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A GAS LINE AND METER

[CONSENT AGENDA ]

FOR HEAT IN THE HALL OF EXHIBITS AT THE BRAZORIA COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, COUNCIL.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.

SECOND, BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CAN WE ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? SURE. OKAY.

WHO'S GOING TO HOOK UP THE HEATER? YOU RUN A GAS LINE TO IT.

YOU GOT TO GET IT TO WORKING.

SO YEAH.

SO THE COUNTY ACTUALLY HAD THEIR CONTRACTOR GIVE US A BID AND THEY WERE GOING TO SERVICE IT THROUGH THEIR CONTRACTOR.

I THINK IT'S LUCK'S PLUMBING OR THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT THE QUOTE FROM.

WELL TO RUN THE GAS LINE AND TO PUT THE METER IN, I'M ASKING WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE HEATER HOT.

I WONDER IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE COUNTY THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT THEY ASKED US TO FUND WAS THE ACTUAL RUNNING THE LINE.

I GUESS, FOR THE TO GET THE GAS THERE.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET YES, SIR. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

ALL RIGHT. I HAVE THE MOTION AND SECOND CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. MOVING TO REGULAR AGENDA.

[5. Update, discussion and possible action on the Animal Control Facility by McClemore Luong Architects. ]

ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UPDATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY BY MCCLEMORE LUONG ARCHITECTS.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MAYOR.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.

FANTASTIC. UH, SO WE WERE BACK HERE, UH, I BELIEVE IN OCTOBER, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS CONFIGURATIONS OF THE BUILDING THAT WE HAD GONE THROUGH AT THE END OF THAT MEETING.

THE REQUEST WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOK, UH, A $10 MILLION FACILITY IS NOT IN BUDGET NOW OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UH, IF WE CAN PLEASE GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS TO GET INTO THE CURRENT, UH, BOND ALLOCATION? UH, SO THE PAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE COST ESTIMATORS TO TRY TO GET THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, WRANGLED DOWN, UH, IN WORKING WITH CHIEF DAHLSTROM [INAUDIBLE], YOU KNOW, REALLY TRYING TO NARROW DOWN WHAT WHAT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE ON DAY ONE TO MAKE THIS THING ACTUALLY FUNCTION.

UM. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS FROM THE PAST PRESENTATION.

JUST JUST SORT OF GO BACK THROUGH THE NUMBERS.

RIGHT. AND JUST TO BE REALLY CLEAR, WHEN WE LOOK AT PROJECT COSTS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A MUNICIPALITY, THE NUMBER IS THE NUMBER.

AND THAT IS THE ALL IN NUMBER FOR EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IN THIS CASE THERE IS NO LAND.

UM, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE SOFT COSTS, THE CHAIRS, THE LIGHT BULBS, IT'S THE EVERYTHING NUMBER.

RIGHT. UM, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE CITY GOES THROUGH A BOND PROCESS, ISSUES CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, GOES TO INFORMAL RFP PROCESS, SELECT SOMEBODY GOES INTO DESIGN THE THE ESCALATION COSTS HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED IN A MUNICIPAL BUDGET WHEN WE DO THIS.

SO PART OF THESE NUMBERS YOU KNOW ARE LOOKING AT WHEN WE BUILD HOW LONG IT TAKES TO BUILD.

AND THEN OF COURSE WE'RE ESTIMATING OFF OF A BLOCKING PLAN.

SO THERE IS A CONTINGENCY HERE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE GET THESE NUMBERS.

THEY ARE THEY'RE NOT CONSERVATIVE.

THEY'RE NOT AGGRESSIVE. THEY'RE REALISTIC BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE.

WE WE DON'T WANT TO GO AND ADD IN SO MUCH MONEY TO THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, DIES ON THE TABLE.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO COME IN HERE AND TELL YOU, OH YEAH, NO, OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT.

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AND THEN KNOWING FULL WELL THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY AWKWARD CONVERSATION IN 2025.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW WE COME UP THESE NUMBERS.

UM, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO HOW DO WE GET BACK TO 3 MILLION 4 MILLION.

UM, YOU KNOW I'LL TALK ABOUT 4 MILLION FIRST AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT WHY 3 MILLION IS NOT UP THERE.

UM, WE WE HAVE A, A BUILDING FOOTPRINT PLAN THAT WORKS.

IT WORKS AT WHAT WE KNOW THE CITY NEEDS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

IT WORKS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE CAN PHASE IT WITHOUT SHUTTING IT DOWN LATER.

RIGHT. SO THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS PAINT YOURSELF INTO A CORNER, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU GOT TO GO RIP SOMETHING OUT TO EXPAND IT.

NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE THAT HEADACHE, YOU KNOW, NOW IN 2030 WHATEVER.

RIGHT. SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO UNDO THE WORK WE'VE ALREADY DONE BECAUSE IT'S CITIES PAID FOR THIS.

WE'VE GOTTEN HERE. WE KNOW IT WORKS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE DOING EARLY ON IN THE PHASING WAS SAYING, LOOK, LET'S LET'S PUT UP THE WHOLE BUILDING NOW, THE WHOLE BUILDING NOW, AND USE IT AS STORAGE SPACE IN THE INTERIM.

RIGHT. AND SO ONE OF THE STRATEGIES IS, LET'S NOT DO THAT.

LET'S ONLY BUILD AS MUCH ENCLOSED BUILDING AS WE NEED TODAY.

UH, AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ADD ON, I MEAN, IT'S AN ENGINEERING BUILDING YOU CAN ADD ON TO THESE THINGS AS MANY TIMES AS YOU LIKE.

UM, WE WANT TO IDENTIFY WHAT MAY BE IN THE SITE PAVING, UM, SITE PAVING, SITE INFRASTRUCTURE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU BUILD A PHASE BUILDING IS YOU'RE PUTTING IN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING IN AND BREAKING OUT PIPE LATER ON.

RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE DAY ONE FACILITY NEEDS A FOUR INCH PIPE, BUT YOUR DAY TWO FACILITY NEEDS AN EIGHT INCH PIPE, WELL, GUESS WHAT, YOU'RE PAYING FOR ALL THAT ON DAY ONE.

YOU HAVE TO. UM, SO WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE SITE? UH, THAT MIGHT REDUCE COST OR WHAT ON THE SITE MIGHT BE DEFERRED TO A DIFFERENT CITY ACCOUNTING BUDGET? RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, COULD COULD PUBLIC WORKS PUT IN A CURB CUT, CAN PUBLIC WORKS PUT IN, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONTRACTOR? UM, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, RIGHT.

AND SO TIME IS TIME IN THE COST OF MONEY HAPPEN.

RIGHT. SO WE WE ANTICIPATE AND HAVE ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THE STANDARD RFQ, UM PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY IS ABLE TO MOVE AT A CLIP, UM, THERE ARE SAVINGS THERE, RIGHT? IF YOU CAN GET IT BUILT FASTER, IT'S CHEAPER.

UM, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AVOID MAKING SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, UH, TO THE SHARED MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS THAT WE'VE KIND OF THOUGHT THROUGH OF HOW WE CAN EXPAND THEM.

AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENT, DON'T WANT TO PAINT OURSELVES INTO A CORNER.

WE DON'T WANT TO GO SLASH AND CUT THIS THING 17,000 DIFFERENT WAYS WHERE WHEN WE TRY TO GO BACK AND BUILD IT BACK, WE'RE TRIPPING OVER OURSELVES.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S HAD THAT EXPERIENCE OF TRYING TO RENOVATE A HOUSE, AND YOU'RE THE FIFTH GUY THAT RENOVATED IT.

NOT NOT THE FIRST GUY. RIGHT.

YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, SO WE TALK ABOUT THE SITE.

UH, THERE ARE IS A PORTION OF THE SITE TODAY THAT'S KIND OF FALLOW, RIGHT? IT'S AN OLD GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.

NOW, UH, THE CITY HAS CERTAIN PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO GO IN THERE AND PUT PERMANENT DRAINAGE AND PAVING.

UM, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE ARE WAYS TO AVOID THAT, UM, AND WE SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO USE THE EXISTING FACILITY, UH, UH, FOR OUR PARKING PURPOSES AND MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST DO MINOR SIDE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE [INAUDIBLE].

THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE FORWARD FACE OF, OF ANIMAL CONTROL HAPPENS.

THERE COULD BE SAVINGS THERE.

AND THIS IS REALLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT JUST HAS TO BE WORKED THROUGH AS YOU PROGRESS THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS, UNDERSTANDING WHAT FUNDING MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IN THE NEXT FISCAL BUDGET, BECAUSE YOU WON'T BUILD THIS UNTIL 2025.

RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON ON WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF FISCAL 24, AND SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER OF 25, THERE IS POTENTIALLY WAYS TO MOVE PARKING LOT MONEY AROUND THE CITY CAN BUILD PARKING LOTS. [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILDING RIGHT WHEN WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LAID THIS OUT.

WE ALWAYS KNEW IT WOULD BE PHASED.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PHASE ALONG A GRID LINE.

RIGHT. AND SO A GRID LINE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOUR COLUMNS WILL NATURALLY FALL, UM, IS WHAT MAKES THE BUILDING REALLY EFFICIENT.

YOU KNOW, BUILD EVERYTHING ON A 15 FOOT GRID.

[INAUDIBLE] UM, AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT AS YOU BUILD IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BUILDING TO A GRID LINE, YOU PUT UP YOUR WALL, AND THEN WHEN YOU WANT TO EXPAND IT, YOU CAN EXPAND IT OUT AND YOU TAKE THE WALL DOWN AND IT JUST KIND OF NATURALLY FLOWS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING AND THAT'S THE FRONT FACE, THE, THE FRONT PROGRAMMATIC AREAS.

RIGHT. SO WHAT WHAT IS THE RESIDENT GOING TO EXPERIENCE WHEN THE BUILDING IS BUILT? SO THIS ALLOWS US TO MOVE OVER THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE ADOPTION PORTION.

RIGHT. UM, THAT'S THE PART THAT RESIDENTS GET TO GO TO GET TO GO MEET THE ANIMALS, GET TO GO PLAY WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO BRING HOME.

THAT'S THE EXPERIENCE WE WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER.

RIGHT. UM, IN TALKING WITH CHIEF DAHLSTROM AND BRENDA, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CONFIGURATION, THE KENNEL SERVICES CAN STAY IN THE EXISTING BUILDING, RIGHT.

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WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD KENNELS TODAY.

WE HAVE KENNELS OVER THERE.

IN THEORY, MORE COULD BE ADDED AS WE VACATE THAT OLDER SPACE OUT.

UM, BUT REALLY THAT TOUCH POINT OF COMING TO ANGLETON, YOU KNOW, AND ADOPTING AN ANIMAL, IF YOU MAKE THAT A RICH EXPERIENCE AND NOT NECESSARILY AN EXPENSIVE EXPERIENCE, LIKE GOING TO RITZ CARLTON.

BUT IF YOU MAKE AN EXPERIENCE THAT'S, HEY, I WANT TO ANGLETON THIS WAS REALLY GREAT.

I WANT TO GO BACK THERE OR I'LL TELL MY FRIEND TO GO BACK THERE AND, AND POTENTIALLY ADOPT AN ANIMAL.

UM, SO WHAT WE'VE SAID HERE IS THAT IN THAT RED BOX, THAT RED BOX IN THE SITE, WE BELIEVE WE CAN GET INTO A $4 MILLION ENVELOPE, UM, AS WE TRY TO SQUEEZE DOWN FROM THAT AND CUT 25% OUT OF THAT NUMBER.

WHEN WE START GETTING INTO A VERY DIFFERENT BUILDING THAN WHAT WE HAVE COME TO OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, PER SE.

IT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THUS FAR.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT LEFT TO CUT IN THE SITE.

I MEAN, THE SITES, THE SITE, IT'S GRASS, IT'S DIRT.

[INAUDIBLE] UM, THE, THE INTERIOR PARTITION WALLS ARE NOT THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP.

SO IT'S JUST YOU GET TO A CRITICAL MASS POINT WHERE IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T SQUEEZE ANY MORE BLOOD OUT OF IT WITHOUT SUBSTANTIALLY RETHINKING HOW THE BUILDING OPERATES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. DO YOU REMEMBER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS ONE? UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T REMEMBER.

OFF THE TOP MY HEAD. I HAD IT IN MY TRUCK BEFORE I GOT IN HERE.

UM, I THERE IS A SLIDE FURTHER BACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT.

OKAY. UM, I WANT TO SAY WE'RE.

NO. YEAH. GO BACK THE OTHER WAY.

UM. 12345678.

I THINK WE'RE WE'RE 90 FOOT BY 50 FOOT.

WE'RE RIGHT AT 5,000FT², GIVE OR TAKE.

OKAY. AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING, ABOUT SOFTCOSTS, ABOUT FFE, ALL THE FURNITURE.

SO IT'S IT'S IT'S A MASSIVE COST PER SQUARE FOOT AT ITS FACE.

BUT UNDERSTAND WE'RE LUMPING EVERYTHING IN HERE.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S PART OF HOW WE GOT HERE.

IF YOU GO BACK FORWARD PLEASE.

SO WHERE WE HAD THE BLACK DASHED LINE, THE BLACK DASHED LINE REPRESENTED THE THE REST OF THE BUILDING.

WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BARN, IF YOU WILL? WE WOULD HAVE PAID FOR FOUNDATION.

WE WOULD HAVE PAID FOR EXTRA BUILDING.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN STORAGE. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, LOOK, MIX ALL OF THAT, BRING THIS BUILDING ALL THE WAY BACK AND SHRINK WRAP IT INTO WHAT YOU JUST NEED ON DAY ONE.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, USING THE SAME BUILDING MANUFACTURER GETS TWO MORE BAYS THAT YOU ADD ON IN FUTURE YEARS.

UM. SO THAT'S IT'S IT'S A LOT OF WORK CLIMBING THREE SLIDES, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SLICE THIS WITHOUT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE.

AND I'LL STOP THERE.

COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH.

MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO MAKE SURE I'M HERE.

WHAT'S THE CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON OUR CURRENT BUILDING? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT FIRST LINE? SORRY. YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

UM, I WANT TO SAY WE'RE LIKE 3,500, GIVE OR TAKE.

IT'S NOT A VERY BIG BUILDING.

3,500, I THINK.

CURRENT. YES.

[INAUDIBLE] DOES ANYONE REMEMBER HOW MUCH WE WERE TARGETING FOR THE BOND DEBT ISSUANCE? WELL, SO THE IT'S KIND OF THAT'S KIND OF FOR ME.

IT'S KIND OF IN THE BALLPARK OF WHAT I WOULD THINK, BASED ON THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT BOND.

AND. BUT BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK.

BECAUSE IF WE DECIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, 4 MILLION IS THE MINIMUM AND WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH, THEN WE GOT TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO DO IT.

AND SO AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I'M FORWARD.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL WE AGREE ON ALL THE PROJECTS, BECAUSE IF WE SAY 4 MILLION FOR THIS, 4 MILLION FOR THAT, 4 MILLION FOR THAT, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE WE'RE OVER OUR THE AMOUNT THAT WE WANT TO DO THINGS WITH.

AND WE I MEAN IT'S PRETTY AMBITIOUS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN WE JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC BUT YOU KNOW WE MAY LOOK AT THE THE ADDITION TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE RENOVATIONS THERE.

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I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT TO CONSIDER WITH THE $10 MILLION OUT THERE.

YEAH, BECAUSE I PULLED UP WHAT WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT NIGHT.

AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HENDERSON'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY, BUT ANYTHING WE DO, BECAUSE I HAVE 1.5 FOR ANIMAL SHELTER.

AND IF IT'S GOING TO GO 4 MILLION, THERE'S ONLY ONE LOGICAL PLACE YOU CAN REALLY CUT.

AND THAT IS THE HENDERSON PROJECT.

UM, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO CUT THE DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IN STONE.

AND THEN I DON'T SEE THAT.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE $1 MILLION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EXPANSION THAT DOESN'T GET YOU THERE.

SO WHEREVER YOU TAKE, YOU'RE TAKING FROM HENDERSON ROAD TO FUND THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

I HAVE A REAL TOUGH TIME STOMACHING A $4 MILLION TAG ON A PARK FACILITY.

WOULD STILL BE BUILT OUT TO FUTURE EXPANSION.

I GUESS COSTS HAVE GONE UP EXPONENTIAL, BUT TO ME, $4 MILLION, THAT'S.

I DON'T KNOW HOW I HOW MUCH USE DOES THE CITY PEOPLE OF THE ANNUAL RESIDENTS OF ANGLETON GET FOR $4 MILLION? MOST PEOPLE DON'T UTILIZE THE PET SHELTER.

I MEAN, I'M I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS PERCENTAGE WISE, BUT THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, THE CITY TAX DOLLARS GOING TO SOMETHING THAT.

LET'S SAY. EVEN I WOULD THINK PRETTY LIBERALLY IS 3,340%.

MY MATH PUTS ME AROUND MAYBE 5,000 RESIDENTS.

I DON'T KNOW, THAT SEEMS PRETTY HIGH.

MAYBE 6,000 RESIDENTS.

THAT'S, DROP $4 MILLION.

I DON'T I JUST DON'T SEE IT.

I THAT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO STOMACH VOTING FOR SOMETHING FOR $4 MILLION AND THEN KNOWING THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

IT'S JUST A PHASE. THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE GOING TOWARDS ROADS, DRAINAGE.

WHAT WAS THE I'D RATHER SEE IT GO TO A POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME CHOOSE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.

MOST OF THE, UH, OF THAT 4 MILLION.

WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR ESTIMATES FROM? WE USE A COMPANY CALLED [INAUDIBLE].

THEY'RE A PROFESSIONAL COST ESTIMATOR AND PROJECT MANAGER.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE GUYS THAT DO COST ESTIMATE FOR THE BRAZORIA COUNTY COURTHOUSE HERE.

SO THEY DO PROJECTS UP TO 100 MILLION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, AS THE ARCHITECT, I'LL SAY, OH, WELL, I HAVE A SIMILAR PROJECT.

WELL THUMB IN THE WIND.

IT'S $5 A SQUARE FOOT FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE BROUGHT THEM ON AS A PROFESSIONAL COST ESTIMATOR TO REALLY DIVE DOWN INTO NUMBERS AND GIVE US A EIGHT PAGE REPORT THAT BREAKS DOWN EVERY BIT OF THE BUILDING, UM, WITH CONTINGENCIES BAKED IN LEFT AND RIGHT.

WE FELT THAT THAT WAS THE MORE ACCURATE, HONEST ASSESSMENT OF HOW TO INFORM THIS COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO US, YOU KNOW, SAYING ANECDOTALLY, WE THINK [INAUDIBLE] MUCH.

UM, PEARLAND WAS THE MOST RECENT ONE, RIGHT, CHIEF? IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S BUILT ONE RECENTLY IN OUR AREA THAT I'M AWARE OF? . I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO COMPARE APPLES AND ORANGES.

THE CITY OF PEARLAND IS 120,000FT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY YOU'RE ASKING FOR A MILLION, MILLION DOLLARS PER WHAT, 10,000 PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE] GET MY MATH RIGHT.

AND SO IS IT CONSIDERED.

SO OURS WOULD BE ROUGHLY ABOUT 2 MILLION IF WE WERE FOLLOWING THE SAME PROPORTIONAL, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS PER SIZE, I MEAN. THEY BUILT A VERY SMALL ANIMAL SHELTER RELATIVE TO THEIR CITY, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

THEY DIDN'T GO.

THEY DIDN'T GO ALL OUT.

THE PEARLAND SHELTER IS 21,000 SQUARE FOOT.

BUT THAT'S. BUT PHASE ONE IS IS 5,000 OKAY.

SO YOU'RE DOUBLING THAT.

WELL THAT'S ACTUALLY MAYBE THREE TIMES THE 5,000 FOR THE FULL SIZE, OKAY.

YEAH. WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT.

I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

THE EXACT TO THE NUTS.

YOU'RE LOOKING PROBABLY CLOSE TO 15.

IF YOU GOT 5,000 FOR THE OFFICES, YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT TWO PHASES OR THE SEPARATION.

IN THE CURRENT ONE IS ROUGHLY 33,500.

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SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE SCRATCH IT FROM THE BOND.

AND BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD IS YOU ALL HAVE HIGHER PRIORITIES FOR FOR THINGS THAT NEED TO GET DONE IN THE CITY.

AND IT JUST ISN'T.

YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WE WERE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A TWO, THREE AND A $4 MILLION OPTION THAT WOULD MAKE IT FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BUDGET FOR. BUT I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.

WELL, I MEAN, MY MY SUGGESTION IS IF LAKE JACKSON IS TRYING TO BUILD ONE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR NUMBERS UNDER CONTROL, AND WE'VE ALREADY PARTNERED WITH RICHWOOD. WHY CAN'T WE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MONEY SET SET ASIDE HERE.

GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR NUMBERS WORK AND WE CAN'T MAKE OUR NUMBERS WORK, MAYBE TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE THEM WORK.

AND YOU STILL GET YOUR FACILITY, AND I MEAN, IT GETS US DOWN THE ROAD.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT I'M NOT.

THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION AT THIS POINT.

BEFORE WE GO SCRATCHING IT OFF, IF YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE IF WE WANT TO DO THE PROJECTS IN THE TIMELINE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.

UM, AND AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE LET'S TABLE THIS AND EXPLORE, EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE COME BACK IN 2 OR 3 WEEKS WITH WITH THAT.

AND I THINK YOU'RE ALSO THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IF SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT FOR US, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRANSPORT COSTS.

WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT US.

WE BUILD OUR FACILITY.

RICHWOOD AND FREEPORT WANTED TO, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO SECURE MONEY AND PROVIDE IT TO US? THAT'S WHAT I'M. THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.

THAT STREET SHOULD BE GOING BOTH WAYS.

YOU'RE TELLING US THAT IF WE WERE TO DO IT, WE'D HAVE TO PAY THEM? WELL, IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY US.

I MEAN, IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

WELL, SO THEY YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS DISCUSSION 6 TO 8 MONTHS AGO AGREED TO GIVE US THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE PAYING OTHER OTHER FOLKS TO DO TO FOR LAKE JACKSON OR SPCA TO DO IT FOR THEM.

AND SO THAT THAT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND, WASN'T IT, LIKE $200,000 OR SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, WOULD BECOME A REVENUE, ASSUMING WE MEET A TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A THEY'VE GOT A FISH OR CUT BAIT OR SOMETHING AT SOME POINT.

UM, SO THEY'RE GOING TO THEY MAY MAKE OTHER DECISIONS THAT WON'T BE TIMELY FOR US, US DOING THIS RIGHT.

COUNCIL DO I HAVE ACTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.

[INAUDIBLE] WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY TABLES THE RIGHT WORD, BUT TO NOT APPROVE IT PUTTING IT ON THE BOND.

IF YOU. BUT WE CAN JUST LET IT DIE.

AND WHEN WE COME TO THE WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE BOND OFFICIALLY, WE CAN JUST NOT INCLUDE IT AS VERBIAGE.

YEAH, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE IT OFF RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

UM, YOUR NEXT MEETING THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD PROBABLY ULTIMATELY LIVE OR DIE.

OKAY. UM, AT THIS MOMENT, WE CAN JUST TREAT THIS AS AN UPDATE AND NO ACTION TAKEN.

OKAY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S, YOU KNOW, I GUESS DEPENDING ON WHAT ELSE IS PRESENTED TO US NEXT MEETING AND THE NUMBERS THAT ARE GIVEN.

THEN YOU START LOOKING AT IT.

BUT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING 4 MILLION.

IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

IT'S 14,000FT².

YEAH. I THINK I SAW WHERE, UH, BRAZORIA ADDED A SHELTER.

I THINK WE DONATED EVERYTHING.

GOOD. WELL, MAYBE YOU KNOW SOMEBODY.

ITEM NUMBER SIX DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240109-006 AMENDING THE GARBAGE AND REFUSE TAX

[6. Discussion and possible action on approving Ordinance No. 20240109-006 amending the garbage and refuse rate tables in the fee schedule in the consolidated schedule of fees of the code of ordinances of the City of Angleton; revising and providing for an increase in the rates to be charged for solid waste collection by the City of Angleton; providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances; providing a severability clause; providing for an open meetings clause; providing a penalty; and providing an effective date]

RATE TABLES IN THE FEE SCHEDULE AND THE CONSOLIDATED SCHEDULE OF FEES OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

REVISING AND PROVIDING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE RATES TO BE CHARGED FOR SOLID WASTE COLLECTION BY THE CITY OF ANGLETON.

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PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF CONFLICTING ORDINANCES.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE.

PROVIDING FOR AN OPEN MEETINGS CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

WHO WANTS TO START? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UH, THE CONTRACT THE CITY HAS WITH WASTE CONNECTION ALLOWS THEM TO COME TO US AND REQUEST A RATE INCREASE EVERY YEAR BASED ON THE, UH, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

THIS YEAR, IN NOVEMBER, THEY NOTIFIED US THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REQUEST A 12.9% INCREASE IN THEIR RATES.

AND SO, UH, I THIS ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING IS PREPARED BASED ON JUST PASSING THAT THROUGH TO OUR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE, UH, AT THIS POINT, WE CAN'T ABSORB THAT KIND OF AN INCREASE IN OUR IN WHAT WE'RE PAYING WITHOUT PASSING IT ON. UH, THERE ARE SOME REPRESENTATIVES OF WASTE CONNECTIONS HERE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR RATE INCREASE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE, PLEASE.

MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE WALK.

THANK YOU, SIR. I'M HECTOR TORRES, THE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR ANGLETON [INAUDIBLE].

I'M ZACK RYAN, DISTRICT MANAGER.

I'M JUST ONE JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO START, THE 12.9% ENCOMPASSES BOTH THE CPI AND THE FUEL ADJUSTMENT, WHICH ARE REFERENCED IN THE CONTRACT.

SO IT'S NOT PURELY JUST BASED ON CPI.

AND THE FUEL CHARGE IS NOT A PART OF THE INCREASED COST TO TRANSPORT THE FROM INSTEAD OF GOING TO SEA BREEZE.

NOW YOU'RE GOING UP TO HOUSTON, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO TO ADDRESS THAT, THERE WAS ONLY A 2 OR 3 WEEK PERIOD WHERE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO UTILIZE THE LANDFILL.

NOW IT'S STILL BEEN SHUT DOWN TO SOME EXTERNAL.

BASICALLY WE HAVE LIMITED FLOW THAT WE CAN GO IN THERE AND WE PRIORITIZE THE CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH HERE LOCALLY.

SO FOR 2 OR 3 WEEKS, NOBODY WAS ALLOWED IN THERE.

AND THEN IN THAT CASE IT WAS BEING PUSHED UP TO COASTAL, A WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITY.

UM, WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A PRICE UP THERE THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY WE ABSORBED SOME COST, BUT IT WASN'T IT DIDN'T HURT OUR OPERATIONS AND CERTAINLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WITH THIS INCREASE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AT ALL.

NO, WE SO IF THAT IF THAT EVENT NEVER HAPPENED AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GO IN THERE, WE WOULD STILL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO ACROSS THE BOARD WITH ALL THE CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH. UM, UH, ON A YEARLY BASIS.

THE, THE FUEL ASPECT OF IT IS ACTUALLY CALLED FOR ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ASPECT.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY SHOULD ONLY LOOK AT YEARLY IF POSSIBLE.

UH, BUT BECAUSE BUT YES, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO WITH, WITH ALL THE CITIES AND CITIES THAT WEREN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T PRIMARILY USE SEA BREEZE.

AND WHO OWNS SEA BREEZE? WASTE CONNECTIONS OWNS SEA BREEZE.

AND. BUT WHAT IS THE REASON FOR CLOSING THAT DOWN OR SHUTTING IT? SO TO BE CLEAR ABOUT MY ROLE, I'M IN CHARGE OF THE HAULING OPERATIONS OUT OF ALVIN AND ANGLETON AS THE DISTRICT MANAGER, WE HAVE MANAGEMENT. I DON'T OVERSEE THE LANDFILL, BUT THERE WAS.

SO THE POINT IS, FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, I CAN PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH THE ABSOLUTE CORRECT PERSON WHO CAN EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS, THERE WAS SOME, UM SAFETY PRECAUTIONS THEY THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN.

THEY HAD TO EXCAVATE SOME OF IT, AND WHICH MEANS THEY HAD THEY HAD TO CLOSE ALL OF IT DOWN FOR, FOR A FEW WEEKS.

AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO OPEN UP ANOTHER PORTION WHERE WE CAN DUMP THE TRASH.

BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME, YOU KNOW, THE THE COST WOULD INCREASE IF YOU'RE HAVING TO TRANSPORT FURTHER.

UM, NOW YOU SAY IT'S NOT IN THERE, I BELIEVE YOU.

UM. ARE YOU YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CITIZENS HAVE BEEN ASKING ME ABOUT THE RECYCLING SIDE.

WHERE IS THAT GOING? AND IS IT STILL IS IT BEING RECYCLED? SO THE I THINK WHEN THIS CONTRACT STARTED, THE THE SEA BREEZE WAS DOING RECYCLING.

SO THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD BE DUMPED ON THE GROUND AND SORTED OR AT LEAST UM, SO THEY WEREN'T DOING THE RECYCLING, BUT IT WAS BEING DUMPED THERE AND THEN SORTED TO A DEGREE.

THE RECYCLING WAS PUT INTO TRUCKS AND THEN TAKEN TO RECYCLING FACILITIES.

SO NOW THE WAY IT WORKS IS BECAUSE THAT'S UM, THAT AREA HAS BEEN CLOSED DOWN AND THEY'RE TURNING INTO A SHOP FOR THE

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LANDFILL. SO NOW THE WHEN THE RECYCLING IS CLEAN, WE HAVE TO TAKE IT ABOUT, UH, 50 MINUTES NORTH TO A RECYCLING FACILITY.

OKAY. SO IT IS STILL BEING RECYCLED.

SO WE EVALUATE EACH LOAD, YOU KNOW, PER THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.

AND JUST WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THE, THE LOADS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT CONTAMINATED.

BUT EVERY LOAD THAT WE CAN RECYCLE, WE TAKE NORTH TO A RECYCLING FACILITY.

OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WAS THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.

YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S BEING HAULED IF WE'RE STILL GETTING OUR RECYCLING.

YEAH. UM, BUT THE RESIDENTS SHOULD KNOW THAT IF THEY NEED TO, IF THEY NEED TO RECYCLE BEYOND WHAT THEY PUT IN THE CART, THEY THEY'LL HAVE TO FIND A RECYCLING FACILITY.

ON AVERAGE, HOW MANY, HOW MANY TRUCKS YOU HAVE TO JUST WASTE BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA OF BEING RECYCLED? UH, THE MAJORITY, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE CONTAMINATED LOADS.

SO WE THINK IT'S, UH, BETWEEN 50 AND 70% CONTAMINATED ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHICH, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT ABNORMAL.

UM, IT'S KIND OF THE NATURE.

I THINK A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND RECYCLE STUFF, THEY END UP JUST PUTTING STUFF IN THIS THAT'S NOT RECYCLABLE PIZZA BOXES IS A COMMON ONE THAT THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT.

THAT'S NOT A NON-RECYCLABLE ITEM.

SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S LIKE 50 OR 70% CONTAMINATION ON OUR LOADS I WOULD SAY SO.

SO A PIZZA BOX SPOILS THE WHOLE LOAD.

OH NO NO, NO. BUT I'M SAYING THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY WHO'S TRYING TO, UH, TO BE SPECIFIC, I APOLOGIZE.

IF A LOAD IS MORE THAN 30% TOTAL CONTAMINATED, IT WILL BE TREATED AS WASTE.

SO IT WOULD TAKE 30%.

IT WOULD TAKE 30% OF THE OF THE LOAD TO BE PIZZA BOXES.

WELL, WHAT I MEANT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE'S A SUBSET OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T.

THEY JUST USE IT AS A SECOND WASTE BIN.

UM, WHAT MY POINT WAS, EVEN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, ARE OFTENTIMES UNFORTUNATELY ARE NOT.

SO WHEN THIS CONTRACT WAS SET UP, YOU GUYS WERE INTENDING TO DO YOUR RECYCLING TASKS LOCALLY? UM, YES, I WOULD HAVE TO.

I BELIEVE THE CONTRACT STARTED IN 2018 SO THAT I'M REMOVED FROM THAT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY.

WELL, EITHER YOU WEREN'T GOING TO RECYCLE THE STUFF AT SEA BREEZE OR YOU WEREN'T.

YOU CAN OUTSOURCE YOUR RECYCLING.

THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING. THIS, THIS THIS IS A SIMPLE QUESTION THAT'S RELATED TO THIS, TO THE ADDITIONAL CHARGES YOU'RE LOOKING TO CHARGE, BECAUSE THE THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO CHARGE DOES NOT FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING.

YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M WHAT I'M SEEING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTED COST FOR INFLATION, LABOR AND THESE THINGS.

THIS IS A MUCH LARGER SUM OF AN ADJUSTMENT.

BUT PERCENTAGE WISE, AND THIS IS RUNNING IN LINE WITH, I THINK, WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT AS IT RELATES TO ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL TRAVELING, RUNNING OUT YOUR RECYCLING.

UH UH, REFUSE FURTHER.

YEAH. EXCUSE ME.

YES, I FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UM, SO THE CPIS OF 6% IS JUST THE THE FLAT NUMBER THAT WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING OPERATIONAL.

AND THEN THE WAY THE FUEL ADJUSTMENT IS, THE WAY WE COME TO THAT HAS NOTHING TO MILEAGE IS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT.

IT'S STRICTLY A FORMULA THAT'S THAT'S IN IN THIS IN IN THE CONTRACT.

SO WHEN YOU GO SO WHEN YOU GO INTO A YEAR THEN YOU JUST AUTOMATICALLY GET A MARKUP REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY MILES YOU'RE TRAVELING OR REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FUEL COSTS ARE? I'M SORRY SAY THE FIRST PART AGAIN.

WELL, SO YOU'VE GOT A MATRIX THAT JUST AUTOMATICALLY CALCULATES AN AMOUNT IN ADVANCE T HAT'S THAT'S UP CHARGED FOR THE NEXT YEAR, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR CHARGE IS, WHAT YOUR ACTUAL REALIZED COSTS ARE? YES. CORRECT. DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU? WELL, I CAN ADJUST DOWN AS WELL.

IT'S BASED ON THE IT'S BASED ON THE MAYBE I MISUNDERSTAND, BUT THE WAY WE THE WAY WE OPERATE, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE CALCULATION. THE CALCULATION WOULD BE THIS IF, IF WE DROVE IT TO KALAMAZOO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

LIKE WE THERE'S NO THERE WAS A BASE RATE THAT WAS NEGOTIATED WITH THE CONTRACT STARTED.

AND FROM THAT POINT ON, IT'S JUST BASED STRICTLY ON CPI.

AND THEN WHATEVER THE FORMULA FOR THE FUEL ADJUSTMENTS IS, THERE'S NO OUTSIDE SOME CONTRACTS.

WE HAVE CALL FOR ADDED COSTS, YOU KNOW, OPERATIONAL COSTS ETC.

THAT EXCEED OR ARE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE CPI.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THIS CASE.

IS IS MILEAGE TRAVELED IN THAT MATRIX? NO, IT'S BASED ON, SO THE BASE RATE I BELIEVE IS $2.40 ANY EVERY 25 CENT INCREMENT ABOVE $2.40 IT'S A AND IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.

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IT'S A PERCENTAGE POINT INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT THAT WE CAN ASK FOR FOR TO COVER FOR FUEL CHARGES.

BUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MILEAGE.

SO TAKE LAST YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR IF WE WE DIDN'T SEND WE DIDN'T HAVE A PRICE INCREASE HERE IN ANGLETON.

LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T PROPOSE ONE.

BASED ON THE SAME CALCULATION IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 14%.

SO THAT'S A 14% INCREASE OVER THAT ENTIRE YEAR THAT WE WE JUST OPERATED WITHOUT THAT MARKUP.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, WE DO THIS AND THEN IT CHANGES HOW MUCH WE CHARGE.

HOW WERE YOU HOW WERE YOU ALL ABLE TO DO THAT? IT WAS FRANKLY, IT WAS A MISTAKE.

SO THERE WAS A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP.

AND THEN THE WINDOW, WE MISSED THE WINDOW FOR ADDRESSING THE CITY, AND THEN WE DIDN'T TRY TO COME BACK LATER AND SAY, HEY, WE MISSED IT.

CAN WE IMPLEMENT IT NOW? WE JUST DECIDED TO EAT IT.

THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED. YEAH.

I BELIEVE THE FIRST TWO YEARS THERE WAS A SOME MORATORIUM CLAUSE OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED IN HERE.

AND THEN BEYOND THAT, I THINK THERE WAS 1 IN 22.

AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND ONE.

THERE WAS ONE. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN 1 IN 21 AND 22, 21, 22.

OKAY. I REMEMBER Y'ALL COMING TWICE AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.

COUNCIL ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

IF YOU HAVE A MOMENT. DO YOU GET? DO YOU SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENS, OR DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY TYPE OF HOW ARE WE DOING KIND OF, UM, TRACKER.

YOU KNOW, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE.

WELL, THE FEEDBACK.

SO I KNOW WE DO HAVE ON [INAUDIBLE].

WELL, FOR MOST OF OUR CITIES, I'M NOT SURE IF ANGLETON IS INCLUDED IN THERE, BUT THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO GO ON TO OUR WEBSITE OR IF THEY'RE EVER PAYING, I THINK THEY PAY THE BILLS STRAIGHT THROUGH YOU GUYS, SO I'M NOT SURE THIS IS AN OPTION FOR THEM, BUT UH, THROUGH, UH, PEOPLE PAYING THEIR BILLS, WE DO HAVE THE OPTION FOR THEM TO GO ON THERE AND, AND GIVE COMPLIMENTS FOR THEIR OR EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH, THEY CAN GO ON THERE AND UH, AND PUT A COMPLIMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO WE'LL GET THOSE THAT FEEDBACK BACK.

AND BASED ON WHAT IT IS, WE'LL IF IT'S SOMETHING GOOD, WE, WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LET OUR DRIVERS KNOW, LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOOD, THEN WE TRY TO ADDRESS IT IMMEDIATELY.

SO BUT WE ALSO DO HAVE A WEBSITE THEY CAN GO ON TO OR THEY CAN I CAN LEAVE MY CARD HERE OR WHATEVER.

THEY CAN CONTACT US DIRECTLY.

SO WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING MORE PROACTIVE LIKE A SURVEY OR QUALITY CONTROL.

SURE. YEAH. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PARTNER TO TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER MORE ABOUT HOW WE COULD SEND SOMETHING OUT, ABOUT SOMETHING OUT.

I'D BE OPEN OPEN TO THAT FOR SURE.

ARE WE FROM A CITY SIDE? ARE WE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS STILL ON HEAVY TRASH PICKUPS? I HAVE NOTICED AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF.

SO SO SOMETIMES WE GET COMPLAINTS.

BUT YOU KNOW THE THE STANDARD IS FOUR CUBIC YARDS.

AND SO AS WE'VE DONE IN THE EDUCATION PROCESS YOU KNOW HERE'S WHAT FOUR CUBIC YARDS LOOKS LIKE.

YOU KNOW SIZE OF A REFRIGERATOR, SIZE OF A COUCH WHATEVER.

BUT I'VE SEEN LIKE ON 35 BY THE TIRE PLACE.

I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY 12, 16YD³ OF STUFF.

AND SO IT TAKES THEM A COUPLE WEEKS AGAIN TO GET, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THEY DIDN'T PICK UP MY WHOLE PILE.

YEAH. AND SO WE GET SOME OF THAT AND WE GET THE, YOU KNOW, TRASH CAN FELL DOWN.

WE GET THE TRASH CAN FELL DOWN THE DITCH.

WE GET THE TRASH CAN FELL DOWN THE ROAD.

IT HAPPENS DAILY OR EVERY TIME FOR ME.

YEAH. THE ONE THING I'LL SAY IS, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR MY STREET, BUT FOR MANY OTHER STREETS THAT I'VE WHEN CITIZENS HAVE CALLED ME AND IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, THE ISSUE TYPICALLY IS A STREET THAT YOU, THE HEAVY TRASH, IS ON A STREET THAT EITHER HAS A DEAD END OR HAS A TOUGH TURNAROUND.

THOSE ARE THE STREETS.

SO EAST PLUM HAS HAD ISSUES.

UM. THEN SOME OF THE CIRCLES LIKE, UM, WHAT IS IT [INAUDIBLE]? UM, STREETS LIKE THAT, WHERE IT'S DEAD ENDS DOWN AT THE END.

THOSE ARE THE STREETS THAT TEND TO HAVE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE HEAVY TRASH PICKUP.

SO IF I COULD GIVE YOU ANY ADVICE, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE BEING MINDFUL OF THOSE STREETS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE TROUBLE.

AND THEY'LL THEY'LL PUT THEM IN FOUR CUBIC YARDS, BUT THEY JUST FORGOTTEN ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOWN THE STREET THAT YOU REGULARLY TRAVEL.

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FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE.

UM. MAYBE THIS IS ANOTHER REMINDER, A TIME FOR US TO SEND OUT ON THE FOUR CUBIC YARDS.

JUST KIND OF ALMOST LIKE YOUR SPRING CLEAN UP YOUR SPRING REMINDER OF HEAVY TRASH AND FOUR CUBIC YARDS.

I KNOW WE WE'VE KIND OF ENGAGED IN TIKTOK OR WHATEVER SOCIAL MEDIA BEFORE, BUT I GUESS HIT RESCIND OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO UPDATE THAT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO GET SOME NEW CHARACTERS OR NEW ACTORS OR WHATEVER.

BUT, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY TIME IN THE MAIL OR JUST A NOTICE . I'M SURE THOSE KIDS THAT ARE NOW IN COLLEGE ARE WORKING TO REFLECT ON THEIR YOUTH SO.

SO HAVE THE CALENDARS BEEN UPDATED FOR THE HEAVY TRASH AND THEIR SCHEDULES? IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE CITY WEBSITE DOWN THE BOTTOM.

BUT IT'S BEEN UPDATED.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH.

SO IT TALKS, FOR EXAMPLE, NEW YEAR'S WEEK THAT EVERYTHING SHIFTED ONE DAY TO THE RIGHT AND WHICH WHICH HOLIDAYS ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THE SCHEDULE.

OKAY. WE GOT TO START DOING A BETTER JOB OF POSTING THAT.

YEAH. THE CONFUSION AT CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S WAS CRAZY.

UM, PEOPLE KEEP ASKING, WHEN DOES IT PICK UP? WHEN IS IT NOT GOING TO BE PICKED UP? YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS YEAR IS A COMMUNICATIONS CAMPAIGN.

AND SO JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE SPRING CLEANUP THROUGH, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RECS AND KB, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, ON OUR CALENDAR TO PUBLISH.

AND SO JUST LIKE WE HAVE WE CHANGE UTILITY BILLING, WHATEVER, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT CALENDAR JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE TO DO THAT. I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN HERE AND THANK Y'ALL FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO.

UH, THE TRIPE THAT YOU READ ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS JUST THAT A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE DON'T GET TREATED LIKE THEY THINK THEY SHOULD BE TREATED.

WHEREAS THE GREAT PREPONDERANCE OF FOLKS IN THIS TOWN GET THEIR GARBAGE PICKED UP PROPERLY, THEY GET THEIR TRASH PICKED UP PROPERLY, GET IT PICKED UP ON TIME WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE CONTRACT.

BUT THERE'S A FEW THAT GET MISSED, AND THOSE ARE USUALLY THE ONES WHO JUMP IN ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND TRY TO CRUCIFY Y'ALL IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

THAT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO DEAL WITH, NOT JUST IN ANGLETON, BUT WHATEVER OTHER TOWN Y'ALL DEAL WITH.

I'M SURE YOU GET THE SAME STUFF, BUT I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS THANKING Y'ALL FOR THE EFFORTS THAT YOU DO [INAUDIBLE].

IN A YOUNGER PART OF MY LIFE, I WAS PART OF A GARBAGE OPERATION, OKAY.

AND OURS WAS NOT DURING THE PRIME HOURS OF THE DAY.

IT WAS ALWAYS AT NIGHT TIME.

AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

WELL, WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH OUR OWN STREETS, WITH THE DESIGN, WITH THE SIZE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THAT ALL IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TRY TO PUT A TRASH CAN DOWN ON A STREET THAT'S GOT GRASS AND A DITCH, IT'S IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO STAND WELL. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT MY CRITICISM COMES FROM THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT PACKAGING SMALLER ROUTINE INCREASES.

AND THEN WE GET THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING, IF I'M GIVING YOU ANY ADVICE IN THE FUTURE, HEAR THIS, YOU SHOULD BE DOING SOME ADEQUATE FORECASTING TO SEE WHAT YOUR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE FROM YEAR TO YEAR, SO THAT YOU ARE NOT COMING IN AND SAYING THAT, HEY, WE'RE COMING UP 10, 12, 14%, YOU KNOW, WORKING, WORKING PEOPLE AROUND HERE, IF THEY DO WORK FOR EVEN A SOMEWHAT BENEVOLENT ORGANIZATION OR GETTING A 3.5% PAY INCREASE YEAR TO YEAR.

SO WHEN WE'RE THROWING 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THIS DOWN THEIR THROAT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY COMING OUT OF THEIR POCKET ANNUALLY.

THAT'S TRUE. I MEAN, YEAH, I READ YOUR EMAIL AND YOU'RE JUST ECHOING YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER.

I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY.

AND OF COURSE, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL NOT FIGHTING THE FIGHT LAST YEAR.

WE'LL TAKE IT. UM, BUT IT DOES CREATE A, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM, I SHOULD SAY A PROBLEM, BUT IT PRESENTS A BIGGER PERCENTAGE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE COMING TO US WITH, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT A SINGULAR INCIDENT, BUT BASICALLY.

YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF MULTIPLIER EFFECT SO.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING JUST AND CECIL'S RIGHT.

BUT WE'RE ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT AND WE'VE TAKEN ON THIS POSITION.

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SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WOE IS ME.

BUT WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN THEY'RE GOING TO COME LOOK AT THEIR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, HEY, BY THE WAY, DID YOU NOTICE THIS RIDICULOUS? YES, I DID, AND LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

AND WE TRY TO PUT OUT FIRES AND TRY TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, AND HOW PEOPLE LISTEN OR IF THEY CHOOSE TO LISTEN OR IF THEY THINK WE'RE IDIOTS UP HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE TOO.

AND I THINK PART OF WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER, AS JUST SPECIFICALLY THE THREE OF US HERE, IS TO COME HERE ON OTHER DURING OTHER MEETINGS AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN OR THAT WE'RE DOING, OR POSITIVE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING SO THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS YOU'RE ONLY SEEING US IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE WE DO, UM, WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH THE CITY.

WE ARE PROUD TO WORK IN THE CITY AND SERVE THE CITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK AND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE GOING FORWARD.

YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPONSORSHIPS FOR AN ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY.

YEAH. 4 MILLION MIGHT BE BUT ALL SERIOUSNESS, COUNCIL, DO I HAVE ACTION OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TIGHT BUDGETS, AND I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF COSTS THAT WE MUST COVER WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DAY IN, DAY OUT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZENS THAT ARE STRUGGLING.

AS LONG THERE'S CITIES IN TEXAS THAT OFFER DISCOUNTS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS ON WASTE COLLECTION, AND ALSO LAKE JACKSON AND ALVIN DO ONE FOR THEIR WATER AND SEWER.

I WOULD LIKE US TO INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF WIGGLE ROOM WE CAN DO TO HELP OUT.

WE COULD HAVE THAT. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION MAYBE TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT IF THAT'S BENEFICIAL.

THAT WOULD. YES, THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

DO ALL OF THE CITIES THAT YOU SERVE HAVE TWICE A WEEK GARBAGE PICKUP? UM, NOT ALL.

PROBABLY THE MAJORITY.

RIGHT? YEAH.

ARE THEY THE LARGEST CITIES OR ARE THEY THE SMALLER CITIES? BOTH. BOTH LIKE I THINK FROM TEXAS CITY, WHICH AND FRIENDSWOOD, WHICH ARE TWO OF THE LARGER THAT WE UNDER MY PURVIEW ANYWAY, IT'S OUR ALVIN.

YES, SIR. BUT TO BRAZORIA AND SWEENY, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER PLACES THERE TOO TWICE A WEEK.

COUNCIL DO I HAVE AN ACTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240109-006, AMENDING THE GARBAGE AND REFUSE RATE TABLES.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SARTIN, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE GARBAGE AND REFUSE RATE TABLES.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON WRITING OFF UTILITY ACCOUNTS THAT ARE THREE YEARS OR MORE PAST DUE.

[7. Discussion and possible action on writing off utility accounts that are 3 years or more past due. ]

YES, SIR. RECENTLY, OUR COLLECTION ATTORNEY, UH, WITH PURDUE AND BRANDON WAS HERE, AND WE DISCUSSED, UH, POSSIBLY LOOKING AT WRITING, JUST DRAWING A LINE UNDER SOME OF OUR RECEIVABLES AND WRITING THEM OFF.

I DID AN ANALYSIS, AND AS OF THIS LAST WEEK, WE HAD $591,000 OF UTILITY BILLS THAT HAVE PASSED OR MORE THAN ONE YEAR PAST DUE.

UH, TO CARRY THAT ON FURTHER AS FOR THREE, WE HAVE $420,000 APPROXIMATELY THAT ARE THREE YEARS OLD OR OLDER.

AND TO BE HONEST, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT MANY, VERY MUCH OF THOSE.

YOU KNOW, UH, MIKE DARLOW, THE REPRESENTATIVE, AND I WERE VISITING THE OTHER DAY.

HE SAID THEY USUALLY LOOK AT FOUR YEARS, BUT HONESTLY, BUT REALISTICALLY THREE YEARS OLD OR OLDER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT.

UH, WE COULD RE BUDGET $70,000 EACH YEAR, AND WE DO WRITE OFF ABOUT $70,000 A YEAR IN UNCOLLECTIBLE UTILITY BILLS.

WE AND EVEN THOUGH WE'VE DONE THAT FOR THE TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WE STILL HAVE THIS HUGE, HUGE BALANCE. I DON'T THINK THAT OUR FUND BALANCE COULD HANDLE WRITING OFF $400,000 IN ONE FELL SWOOP.

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MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE DIVIDE IT INTO FOUR PIECES, AND THEN WE MONITOR IT VERY CLOSELY.

AND IF WE CAN BUDGET MORE TO WRITE OFF DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE DO SO.

SO I'M ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON DO YOU WANT US TO DEVELOP A POLICY WHERE WE WRITE OFF $100,000 A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 3 OR 4 YEARS AND THEN LOOK AT IT, OR, I NEED DIRECTION.

UM, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

UM WHEN THESE PEOPLE OR THESE ACCOUNTS THAT WERE WRITING OFF POTENTIALLY ARE NOT COLLECTING FROM.

ARE ANY OF THESE PEOPLE STILL OR, UH, RESIDENTS OR THESE ARE ALL EXPIRED.

THEY HAVE MOVED ON.

THEY. OKAY, I'M JUST SAYING ALL I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, IF IT WOULD BE NOT TO WRITE OFF ANYBODY WHO'S STILL A RESIDENT OR STILL MAYBE PAYING SOME, YOU KNOW, OWNS THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY LIVE, ACTUALLY, IN ANGLETON THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER. HONESTLY, I CAN'T I HAVEN'T ANALYZED IT LIKE THAT TO SEE SO SO SO I'M JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, ARE YOU ASKING IF SOMEBODY HAS MOVED FROM THAT ADDRESS AND CURRENTLY HAS SERVICE AT ANOTHER ADDRESS? NO. WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED ON BEYOND ANGLETON, YOU KNOW, THAT TRANSIT TRANSITION SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THEIR LIFE? I'M OKAY WITH CONSIDERING THOSE.

IF THEY ARE STILL LIVING SOMEWHERE IN ANGLETON, THEN I'M NOT OKAY WITH USING THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD THAT SET A BAD PRECEDENT? IF YOU ASKED ME IF WE WERE LEAVING PEOPLE EITHER AT THEIR CURRENT RESIDENCE JUST BECAUSE THEY FAILED, I'M SURE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DARLOW.

THAT'S WHY THEY SUE. BUT IT STILL WOULD BE A BAD POLICY, I BELIEVE, TO TO TO NOT ADDRESS THOSE PEOPLE.

SO YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN OKAY, THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE.

IF THEY'RE OUT THERE I JUST DON'T I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE LIKE, OKAY, IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS.

WE STILL HAVEN'T COLLECTED THIS PERSON AND I GET IT.

YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN REALLY TOUGH TIMES.

HOWEVER, WE'RE PROVIDING SERVICES ANYWAY.

UM, AND SO THERE'S A BALANCE THERE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER THE BAD DEBT IS HAS ALREADY BEEN RUN THROUGH THE COLLECTION ATTORNEYS TO MAKE SURE.

CORRECT AND UNCOLLECTIBLE UNCOLLECTIBLE I.E.

AND SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY HAVE THEIR TIES WITH ANGLETON, WHETHER IT'S ON THAT PROPERTY OR ANY OTHER PROPERTY ARE SEVERED, LIKE THEY'RE NO LONGER UTILIZING ANY PROPERTIES IN ANGLETON. WELL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WITH MIKE WHEN WE WERE INITIALIZING THIS PROCESS WAS THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE BRAZORIA COUNTY TAX ROLLS AND YOU IDENTIFY A MATCH, THAT THEY MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEY'RE IN WEST COLUMBIA, OR THEY'RE IN THE HOLIDAY LAKES OR WHATEVER.

YOU CAN GO FIND THEM AND AND COLLECT ALL OF THAT, HOW THEY'RE DOING THAT AND WHATEVER IS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT QUESTION FOR MIKE.

BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GOT TO WEED DOWN THE NUMBERS AND LIKE MIKE SAID, GO, GO TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE CURRENT BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY EASIER TO FIND IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS THAN SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN GONE, FOR SURE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T.

I'M NOT TRYING TO ADVOCATE AGAINST THIS IDEA.

I MEAN, WE DO IT EVEN IN MY BUSINESS.

WE OCCASIONALLY GO THROUGH OLD FILES AND DECIDE WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF OUR BUSINESS.

SO, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON.

SO I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THAT ONE EXCEPTION WHERE SOMEBODY STILL HAS OTHER ACCOUNTS OR SOMEHOW STILL IN ANGLETON.

LET'S NOT EXCUSE THOSE PEOPLE FROM THEIR DEBTS, BUT THAT'S THAT.

OKAY, SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON ON CALCULATIONS OF THE 105 FOR FOUR YEARS.

SO AFTER THE FOURTH YEAR, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A DEFICIT OF THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING $70,000 ON YOUR BUDGET, RIGHT? YES. BUT WE STILL SEE THAT YOU WENT FROM, LET'S SAY, THIS YEAR TO NEXT OR LAST YEAR, THERE'S LIKE $90 TO $120,000.

SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO COLLECT MORE ADD ON EVERY YEAR, EVEN WITH THE $105,000.

SO DO WE NEED A BUDGET MORE THAN $105,000 FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS? WELL, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS $105,000 PLUS THE $70 WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE $175,000 A YEAR FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

AND WE WILL PROBABLY I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE DON'T ADD ON MORE AND ADD ON MORE MORE HOUSES.

YEAH. THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOT MIKE.

MIKE DARLOW NOW ENGAGED IN HIS ORGANIZATION TO GO AFTER THOSE CURRENT DEBT SO THEY DON'T BECOME OLDER DEBT OR REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THAT.

AND A LOT OF THESE THAT I SUGGEST TO WRITE OFF EVENTUALLY ARE FROM THE 1990S.

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YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET THOSE CLEANED OFF AND, YOU KNOW, WORK OUR WAY UP TO THE CALENDAR.

THIS THIS IS NOT JUST WATER AND SEWER THOUGH, IS IT? IT'S WASTE COLLECTIONS AS WELL.

RIGHT? YES, SIR.

SO WE'RE EATING THE THE COLLECTION, EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE WATER BILL.

YES, SIR. EXCLUDING THE DONATIONS, DO WE, DO WE EXCLUDE THAT FROM THE SO WE'RE WRITING IT OFF TO OURSELVES.

IN THAT CASE, THE [INAUDIBLE] DONATION, THE FIRE DONATION, IT'S PART OF THE BILL.

IT'S IN YOUR BAD DEBT AND YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE IT OFF.

BUT YOU'VE ALREADY WE'VE NEVER COLLECTED THE REVENUE, RIGHT? SO THERE IS THAT PORTION OF THE OF THE BILL.

YES. THAT'S TRUE.

UM. I MEAN, MY PERSONAL OPINION WOULD BE START AT FIVE YEARS AND LOOK AT YOUR FIVE YEAR TOTAL.

AND I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT COLLECTED AFTER THREE YEARS, BUT IT GIVES YOU A STARTING POINT.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOUR FUND BALANCE CANNOT HANDLE THAT.

UM, AND I FELL SWOOP.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOME OTHER AVENUE TO COLLECT, BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO GO BACK AS MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND MENTIONED AND SAY, ARE THEY STILL A VOTER IN ANGLETON? ARE THEY STILL A RESIDENT HERE? THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THEIR NAME ON ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE STILL HERE SOMEWHERE.

I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M PRETTY SURE IS DOING, UH, INVESTIGATING AND FINDING OUT THAT THE PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT WHAT IS YOUR BALANCE AT FIVE YEARS AND OVER BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WRITING OFF 90 THE 90S, RIGHT? YES, SIR. BUT THAT THAT POSES THE QUESTION.

YOU'RE YOU'RE WRITING OFF $70,000 EVERY YEAR.

UM, HOW DO WE STILL HAVE STUFF FROM THE 90S IF WE'RE WRITING OFF $70,000, SHOULD WE START WITH THE OLDEST FIRST? THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER TO CHLOE BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE WHO DOES.

THAT DOES THAT PICKS THE ACCOUNTS TO WRITE OFF.

BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE WRITING ANYTHING OFF.

WE HAD IT IN THE BAD DEBT BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS CONTINUED TO INCREASE EVERY REPORT I GET. UH, THE THE BAD DEBT THAT WE WROTE OFF ON, IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, THE YEAR THE TIME FRAME WAS FROM OCTOBER 1ST OF 2020 THROUGH JUNE OF 2021.

SO WE WROTE OFF. WE ONLY LOOKED AT THE CURRENT PERIOD.

WE DIDN'T LOOK AT PRIOR PERIODS FIRST.

NO WE DID. I DID NOT LOOK BACK.

I GUESS I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FUND BALANCE OF WHAT? WHAT KIND OF IMPACT ARE WE TALKING? WE DO $105,000 PLUS THE $70,000, AND THE $70,000 IS BUDGETED.

BUT THE ONE, THE $105 IS NOT.

WHAT IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE TO OUR FUND BALANCE FOR THE WATER AND SEWER.

RIGHT. YES.

RIGHT NOW.

AS OF THE END OF DECEMBER, I'M ESTIMATING A FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT AT $5 MILLION IN THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.

OKAY. I FEEL, I KIND OF FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT WHAT WAS EXISTING WITHIN WHAT'S EXISTING WITHIN THE 90S TOTAL.

UM, I'M MORE OF A KIND OF RIP THE BAND AID OFF ON THIS SORT OF THING.

YOU'VE GOT BAD DEBT THAT'S BEEN LINGERING OUT THERE A LONG TIME, AND I'D LIKE TO GET THAT WASHED AWAY.

YEAH, I CAN PULL THAT TOGETHER AND GIVE IT TO YOU.

MAYBE WE CAN REVISIT THIS IN THE NEXT DEAL AND AND MAKE THAT DECISION.

ALSO THE, THE DEBT THAT WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE'RE WASHING FROM THAT SEEMS MORE RECENT.

UM, WE PROBABLY NEED TO START AT THE BACK OF THAT LIST AND START WORKING OUR WAY FORWARD.

AND IF WE HAVE TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT, THAT $70,000 SOMEWHAT, THEN THEN WE NEED TO DO THAT.

BUT WE NEED TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE MAKING HEADWAY ON THAT AS OPPOSED TO FALLING BEHIND AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO PURSUE THESE DEBTORS.

THESE THESE AMOUNTS OF EACH ACCOUNT, DO THEY VARY EXTREMELY FROM A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS TO A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, OR JUST WHAT WHAT KIND OF

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RANGE PER ACCOUNT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? HONESTLY, I DON'T DIDN'T LOOK THAT CLOSE WHENEVER I WAS PULLING THE NUMBERS TOGETHER.

BUT I CAN I'LL GET YOU THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME SMALL ACCOUNTS THAT ARE UNDER $100.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU ANY BREAKDOWN.

WILL YOU GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT [INAUDIBLE].

SURE. [INAUDIBLE] BUT I MEAN, I DON'T I MEAN, I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WHATEVER AGENDA ITEM.

BUT IT WAS I DON'T REMEMBER BEING I DON'T REMEMBER CECIL I DON'T REMEMBER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.

I DON'T REMEMBER ANY SIX FIGURE DEBTS INDIVIDUALLY.

NO. DO WE CONTINUE TO FEED THEM? SO THOSE BALANCES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE, LET'S JUST SAY AN ACCOUNT THAT'S OVER A YEAR OLD, ARE WE STILL ADDING FEES TO IT? WE STOP ADDING FEES WHENEVER WE FINALIZE THEIR ACCOUNT.

AND THEIR ACCOUNT IS FINALIZED ONE MONTH AFTER WE CUT THEM OFF FOR NON PAYMENT.

TWO MONTHS AFTER WE CUT THEM OFF FOR NON PAYMENTS OKAY, WE STOP ADDING FEES.

OKAY MAKES SENSE.

BUT YOU DO HAVE FEES IN THAT BAD DEBT AS WELL.

YES SIR. OKAY I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SARTIN'S POINT.

FOR ME I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO ABOUT THE YEAR 2010 OR 2013.

I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO.

SO ANY DEBTS WE CAN LOOK AT 90S IF YOU LOOK AT THEM, 2010, 2020 [INAUDIBLE] BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A NUMBER SAY RIGHT AROUND WHERE THAT GETS US AT 2013, TEN YEARS.

AND THAT'S. AND THEN WE CAN WORK OUR WAY DOWN FROM THERE.

BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER I WOULD LIKE JUST BASICALLY TEN YEARS.

OKAY. OKAY, SO WE'LL COME BACK.

OKAY. WELL THANK YOU.

I'M GLAD YOU ALL ARE BEING PROACTIVE ON IT.

GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

[8. Discussion and possible action on extending the due date on water bills to 30 days. ]

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON EXTENDING THE DUE DATE ON WATER BILLS TO 30 DAYS.

WILL YOU PULL UP THE, UH, THE CALENDAR FIRST? OKAY. IF YOU SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN UP THERE.

I HAVE A CALENDAR THAT SHOWS HOW WE CALCULATE THE BILLS EACH MONTH AND I CAN'T FIND MY NOTES.

BUT ALL OF OUR WATER BILLS ARE MAILED OUT AROUND THE FIRST OF THE MONTH, AND THEY'RE DUE AROUND ON THE 20TH.

SO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT PAID BY THE 20TH, IT RECEIVES A LATE NOTICE ON THE 21ST AND A LATE FEE.

THOSE BILLS, THOSE LATE BILLS ARE DUE AGAIN ON THE 5TH.

IF THEY'RE NOT PAID BY THE 5TH, THEN WE WILL GENERATE A CUT OFF LIST AND WE WILL CUT THEM OFF FOR NONPAYMENT. UH, IT TAKES THE TO THE MEN WE HAVE IN THE UTILITY OFFICE TO, UH.

UH, ABOUT 4 OR 5 DAYS OF WORK TO CUT OFF THE NON PAYMENTS.

WE DON'T CUT OFF AFTER 2 P.M.

SO THAT IF I GET MY WATER CUT OFF AND I COME HOME, OR MY KIDS COME HOME FROM SCHOOL AND SAY, HEY, DAD, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN CALL AND SAY, PAY THE BILL AND THEY CAN COME IN AND TURN ME ON THAT BEFORE THAT DAY IS OVER.

WE DON'T CUT OFF AFTER NOON ON FRIDAYS, AND WE DON'T CUT OFF ON THE DAY BEFORE A HOLIDAY, JUST FOR CONVENIENCE AND COMPASSION.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE.

NOBODY WANTS TO BE WITHOUT WATER ALL ALL OVER THE WEEKEND.

IF THEY CAN HELP, IF WE CAN HELP IT AND WE'RE SO THAT WE HAVE, WE LIMIT OURSELVES ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE DO CUT OFFS.

THEN SINCE WE DO CUT OFFS UP UNTIL AROUND THE 13TH OR 14TH, AND THEN WE STOP CUTTING OFF AND THEN WE START READING METERS.

WE SPEND ABOUT A WEEK GOING OUT AND MANUALLY READING THE METERS THAT AREN'T READ BY THE SMART OR THAT AREN'T SMART METERS.

AND THEN WE ALSO GO OUT AND READ METERS THAT THE SMART METERS THAT DIDN'T FOR SOME REASON, WE DIDN'T GET A READING FROM A BROKEN WIRE ON THE

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ANTENNA. UH, THE METER JUST FAILED.

WE DON'T KNOW IF WE IF WE DON'T GET A READING, WE HAVE TO SEND A MAN OUT THERE TO GET THAT.

SO WE READ METERS UP UNTIL AROUND THE 20TH OF THE MONTH.

I FORGOT WHAT THE DATE WAS.

WE READ METERS FOR ABOUT 4 OR 5 DAYS, AND THEN WE START THE THE BILLING PROCESS.

AND THAT GETS US BACK TO THE FIRST OF THE MONTH WHEN THE BILLS ARE MAILED OUT AGAIN.

SO WE HAVE A BASED ON A 20 DAY CYCLE.

AND IF WE WERE TO GO TO IT, I WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT GOING TO A 30 DAY CYCLE WHERE WE HAVE OUR BILLS DUE IN 30 DAYS.

IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE WOULD FACE IS THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO START.

UH, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO CUT OFFS UNTIL AROUND THE 15TH.

16TH OF THE MONTH, WHICH IS WHEN THEY START READING BECAUSE WE BILL FROM THE 15TH TO THE 15TH.

SO WE HAVE TO READ THE METERS AROUND THE 15TH SO THAT OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE A 30 DAY BILL.

SO IF WE WERE TO EXTEND OUR, UH, DUE DATE BY 10 DAYS, IT WE WOULD HAVE TO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD REDO OUR OUR PROCESS.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WILL PULL UP THE THE CHART, PLEASE.

I ALSO DID AN ANALYSIS OF OUR LATE CHARGES.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, THE LATE CHARGES, YOU KNOW, GO UP DRAMATICALLY IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY.

PART OF THAT'S CHRISTMAS, I'M SURE.

BUT PART OF THAT IS WE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY DO A RATE INCREASE IN THE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIME FRAME.

THEY TEND TO THE RATE THE LATE FEES, I'M SORRY, TEND TO LEVEL OFF UNTIL MID AROUND SUMMERTIME.

AND THEY START GOING BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

UH. JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECT.

I DID THIS SO YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECT OF OUR RATE INCREASES ON THE LATE CHARGES.

AND YOU KNOW, THE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CITY THAT I'VE EVER WORKED WHERE WE HAD A 30 DAY DUE DATE ON OUR WATER BILLS.

IT WAS ALWAYS 20, 20 DAYS OR LESS.

UH, WE LOOKED AT RICHWOOD JUST AS A QUICK EXAMPLE OF A NEIGHBOR.

AND THEY ALSO HAVE A 20 DAY, UH, DUE DATE, 20 DAYS AFTER THE BILL'S DUE.

SO I'M ASKING FOR GUIDANCE IF YOU WANT ME TO EXPLORE THIS FURTHER.

IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO, YOU KNOW WE WILL.

IF YOU WANT ME TO EXPLORE IT FURTHER, WE'LL BE GLAD TO GO AND REWORK OUR CALENDAR AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK, OR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE IT WORK.

JUST PLEASE, JUST GIVE ME GUIDANCE.

I'LL BE HONEST THAT I'M THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR THIS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR.

WE ARE CHARGING A LOT MORE THAN WE EVER HAVE.

WE? I DID A KEGGER ON IT THE OTHER DAY, AND IT WAS ABOUT 12% ANNUALLY OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF INCREASES IN WATER, SEWER AND GARBAGE. I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S A TOTAL FEE AND UH, IT'S COSTING THEM, UH, RESIDENTS A LOT MORE FOR WATER, AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

WE KNOW THIS WATER IS GOING UP.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCIL MEMBER SARTIN MENTIONED, 3.5% OF A PAY RAISE GETS EATEN UP QUICKLY AND PEOPLE ARE WORKING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.

AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED FOR THE 30 DAYS FROM 20 DAYS WAS TO GIVE RESIDENTS ANOTHER, ANOTHER PAY CYCLE IN A LOT OF CASES TO MAKE THEIR BILL BEFORE GETTING THE LATE FEE.

BECAUSE IF YOU ADD THAT LATE FEE ON, THEY'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND IT CONTINUES TO JUST SNOWBALL.

WHAT I'M ALSO SAYING IS FOR THOSE THAT ARE ON, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATIC DRAFT AND ALL THAT, I'M NOT SAYING CHANGE THAT, THAT STAYS THE SAME.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS TO EXTEND IT 10 DAYS TO GIVE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX EVERYBODY.

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I KNOW THAT I'M NOT I DON'T LIVE IN A, YOU KNOW, PERFECT HOUSE THAT THINKING IT'S GOING TO ALL BE FINE AND DANDY, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE STRUGGLING AND THEY STILL PAY THEIR BILLS. THEY JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR YOUR ISSUE WITH, WITH THE CYCLE OF CUT OFFS AND METER READINGS, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT FOR THE LONGEST TIME WE HAD TWO METER READERS AND THEY WERE READING THE METERS AND DOING CUT OFFS AT THE SAME TIME.

NOW [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE ABOUT TO GO FOR ANOTHER, UM, AQUA METRIC OR WHATEVER WE MIGHT DO IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO ADD MORE METERS.

SO THAT SHOULD MAKE READING METERS A LOT EASIER FOR THEM.

AND TO ME, WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION FOR THE CITIZENS.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SOLUTION, LET'S FIGURE OUT ANOTHER ONE.

BUT SOMETHING'S GOT TO BE DONE.

I LIKE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER DANIELS SAID ABOUT PUTTING A REDUCED RATE ON THE SENIORS AND AND DOING THAT.

I'M OPEN TO IDEAS, BUT I'M LOOKING TO EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM FOR A SOLUTION FOR IT, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO.

STATUS QUO ISN'T GOING TO WORK.

I THINK WHAT WE WOULD APPRECIATE IF THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT YOU COULD LOOK INTO THIS AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.

SURE.

OKAY, SO WE'LL COME BACK.

THE ONE THING I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO COME AT ME WITH TODAY ON AS AN ISSUE, AND I AGREE.

IF YOU WENT TO 30 DAYS TO PAY THE BILL, THEN THE NEW BILL IS CREATED.

IF YOU CHARGE THE LATE FEE AFTER THE 30TH DAY, HOW WOULD YOU GET THAT ON THE NEXT BILL? AND I FIGURED THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO PROPOSE AS AN ISSUE.

SO I DIDN'T EXPECT THE METER READINGS TO BE THE ISSUE.

OF ALL OUR CONNECTIONS, AND HOW MANY HAVE TO BE READ BY A METER READER? 20% OR LESS.

YEAH, YEAH, ABOUT 20%.

AND WHY IS THAT? IS THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CHANGED OUT.

UH, WE'RE STILL NOT FINISHED WITH THAT PROCESS YET.

SO ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH WE PULLED WAS A REQUEST FOR MORE METERS BECAUSE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF METERS WE ESTIMATED VERSUS NUMBER PUT IN.

AND THEN SOMETIMES WHEN YOU POP THE METER AND YOU KNOW IT, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, X NUMBER OF TWO INCH METERS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, OR WE HAVE TO SWAP OUT.

AND SO WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THE PROJECT OVERALL.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK, BRING BACK THE NUMBER OF REREADS AND STUFF THAT WE DO MONTH LIKE MONTHLY AVERAGE KIND OF THING JUST AS A DATA POINT, BECAUSE I JUST LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ONCE WE GET TO 100%, OR I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NEVER 100%, IT'S ALWAYS A WORK IN PROGRESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, 98, 99% COMPLETION WHERE WE'RE ONLY HAVING TO DO, YOU KNOW, REMEDIAL MEASURES FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S NOT WE'RE STILL IT'S STILL STALLING.

OKAY. UM.

BECAUSE MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ISSUE.

FEWER. FEWER TO READ.

YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF LITERALLY 20%, WHICH COULD BE I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THOUSAND YARDS TO WALK.

LEFT, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE.

PART OF THE ITEM THAT GOT PULLED IN THAT NEW CONTRACT WAS FOR US TO ACTUALLY DO A SURVEY VERSUS JUST RUNNING IN AND CHANGING METERS, BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS NAILED DOWN. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO A FULL SURVEY FIRST ON THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE LEFT AND THE SIZES OF EACH ONE OF THEM.

THAT'S PART OF THE WHAT WE WERE GOING TO PROPOSE UNTIL WE PULLED IT.

OF THESE 150 TO 200 ACCOUNTS THAT ARE TURNED OFF.

ARE THESE? I CALL THEM REPEAT TURNOFFS THAT THEY KEEP GETTING THEIR WATER TURNED OFF AND TURNED BACK ON AND TURNED OFF AND TURN BACK ON.

THEY JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET IT.

PAID IN TIME.

YES, SOME OF THEM ARE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE.

ABOUT 10% ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS, BASICALLY.

YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, THOSE THE ONES THAT THE REPEAT OFFENDERS, A LOT OF THEM.

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WE HAVE TO LOCK THE METERS OR PULL THEM BECAUSE WE'LL TURN THEM OFF, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK OUT AND LOOK AT THEM AND SAY TO THE CUSTOMERS, TURN IT BACK ON WITHOUT PAYING THEIR BILL.

SO WE LOCK THEM IN OR PULL THE METER.

SO WE HAVE THAT THAT SITUATION OCCURRING ALSO.

OKAY. WELL, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, I'M JUST TORN OVER THESE FOLKS THAT THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S COSTING THEIR WATER A WHOLE LOT MORE [INAUDIBLE] MAKE SOME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT INSTEAD OF JUST GETTING HUNG EVERY COUPLE OF MONTHS. THAT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HOW YOU COACH PEOPLE TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE. BE MORE RESPONSIBLE.

UNDERSTAND PEOPLE FALL ON HARD TIMES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T.

THEY DON'T WANT TO. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE.

BUT WHEN THESE FOLKS GET IN THIS TRAP WITH THIS, THIS REPEATEDLY GETTING THEIR METERS TURNED OFF, REPEATEDLY GETTING THEIR METERS TURNED OFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HELPS OUT THERE.

NOT THAT THE CITY CAN GIVE THEM THE WATER.

NOBODY'S GIVING US THE WATER, BUT THEY NEED THE BAD FINANCIAL BEHAVIOR.

IT'S A BAD FINANCIAL BEHAVIOR.

IT'S JUST BAD. YEAH.

ARE THESE ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO ARE DELINQUENT IN PAYING PAYING THEIR BILLS? I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY'RE PAYING THEIR BILLS BY HAND.

MOST OF THEM. THEY'RE NOT ON SOME SORT OF AUTO PAY THAT'S GETTING KICKED BACK, I WOULD ASSUME.

NO, WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY, VERY FEW REJECTED, UH, OR RETURNED ACH BANK DRAFTS.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASSUME.

YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY GOT THEIR BILL ON BANK DRAFT IT, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT SEE I SEE ALL OF THOSE THAT COME THROUGH THAT ARE RETURNED BY THE BANK.

I MIGHT SEE HALF A DOZEN A MONTH IF THAT MANY, YOU KNOW, SOME MONTHS IT'S 1 OR 2.

I WENT THROUGH THE CUT OFF LIST OVER THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS.

I WAS IN CHLOE'S OFFICE ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR A WEEK, AND WE WERE TALKING THROUGH IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE THE METER READERS, I WANT TO SAY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB FOR KNOWING AND IDENTIFYING WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THEN THE LADIES IN THE IN THE FRONT ARE DOING A THEY HAVE THE HARDEST JOB, I THINK OF ALL OF US RIGHT NOW BECAUSE EVERY TIME THE WATER BILL GOES UP, THEY'RE THE FRONT LINE. AND THEY GET THEY GET THE TALKING TO AND THEY ARE.

I'VE I'VE LISTENED TO THE CALLS.

I'VE SEEN THE PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT THEIR WATER BILLS AND GOING THROUGH THE CUT OFF LIST.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE MEDICAL CONDITIONS NOW AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DO I PAY FOR MY MEDICINE OR DO I PAY THE WATER BILL? BUT THERE'S SOME THAT WE CAME ACROSS LIKE THAT.

A GENERATOR IS ON THE FRONT PORCH OF ANOTHER GUY'S HOUSE.

HE'S KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON FOR CHRISTMAS, YOU KNOW, AND TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO TO GET THAT DONE.

THERE'S SO MANY CASES WHERE IN TOWN YOU SEE THESE ISSUES.

ALL I'M SAYING IS GIVE THEM AN EXTRA PAYCHECK.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO.

AND I THINK WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION.

BUT I UNDERSTAND.

UM, BUT IT'S A LOT.

HERE'S MY CONCERN ON THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF CONCERN IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT.

IT'S IT'S REALLY NOT AN EXTRA PAYCHECK BECAUSE THAT OTHER PAYCHECK JUST ROLLS ON TO THE NEXT MONTH'S.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GIVING THEM GIVING THEM 30 DAYS TO PAY AS OPPOSED TO 20 DAYS.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS CREATE SOMEBODY, I GUESS IS RECEIVING A CHECK BI MONTHLY, RIGHT.

BASICALLY TO PAY OR FIRST OR 15TH OR WHATEVER, HOWEVER IT'S SET UP.

I GET THE CONCEPT, BUT IF THEY'RE PAID, SAY, AT THE END OF THE MONTH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT WOULD JUST ROLL INTO THE NEXT MONTH.

I MEAN, IT WOULD STILL IT STILL WORKS OUT THE SAME.

THEY'RE STILL GETTING TWO PAYCHECKS EVERY MONTH.

YES, I JUST I GET IT.

YOU'RE. YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY GETS PAID THE 15TH AND THE 30TH AND, YOU KNOW.

YOU GET A FLAT, HAVE A PROBLEM, WHATEVER.

GET SICK. GO TO THE DOCTOR.

GIVE HIM AN EXTRA BIT OF TIME TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT.

MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITHOUT TACKING ON THE LATE FEE.

WE SHOULDN'T BE IN THE BUSINESS OF GETTING REVENUE OFF LATE FEES.

WE SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF GETTING PAID FOR OUR WATER, SEWER AND TRASH.

I'M NOT TRYING TO GENERATE REVENUES.

I'M JUST I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT MAKE THAT WORK.

I'M TO ME, IF YOU RECEIVE A SECOND CHECK A MONTH, IF IT SOMEHOW DOESN'T GO TOWARDS YOUR BILL, THEN IN THEORY IT WOULD ROLL TO THE NEXT MONTH AND GO TOWARDS THAT BILL,

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BUT IT JUST ROLLS IT DOWN THE MONTH A COUPLE OF DAYS.

CORRECT IT.

JOHN, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF OUR CONCERN.

WE ARE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT OUR FELLOW MAN WANTING TO TRY TO THEM TO GET THROUGH LIFE AS BEST THEY CAN, BUT EVEN, EVEN.

BUT I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT EVEN IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SAME RESULTS.

JUST PUSH TEN DAYS DOWN THE MONTH.

I DON'T DISAGREE, I THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT THERE'S A SMALL GROUP THAT WOULD HELP IT WOULD HELP AND AT LEAST WE DID SOMETHING INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING.

BUT BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM THAT KEEP HAVING THESE ISSUES ARE GOING TO KEEP HAVING THESE ISSUES.

AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HELP THAT, UH, THE DELINQUENT FOLKS AND THE ONES THAT ARE IS THERE A WAY TO FILE LIENS ON THESE PROPERTIES SO THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY GET MONEY BACK WHENEVER THEY S TILL TRY TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHERE YOU LOSE YOUR DEPOSIT.

I MEAN EXACTLY.

CAN THAT BE APPLIED TO APARTMENT COMPLEXES? WHOEVER WHOEVER WHOEVER SIGNS YOUR AGREEMENT FOR UTILITIES? YES. WHATEVER THE ENTITY IS.

THERE ARE THINGS TO DO.

I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT FOR YOUR CITY TOO OFTEN IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, BUT I'VE DONE IT, AND I'VE DEFINITELY DONE IT IN OTHER CITIES WHERE I'VE SENT THEM LETTERS.

UM. I DON'T KNOW.

NORMALLY WHEN YOU GET A LETTER FROM CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT A DEBT LIKE THAT, YOU GET A REACTION.

NOT ALWAYS A GOOD ONE.

OKAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT THE DEAL JUST BETWEEN THE CITY AND THIS PERSON WHO'S BAD DEBT, IT'S SPREAD OVER THE ENTIRE POPULATION.

ALL OF US ARE ALL OF US ARE GETTING HIT FOR THIS, YOU KNOW? AND I LIKE TO TAKE THE APPROACH THAT I'M GOING TO DECIDE WHO I'M GOING TO GIVE CHARITY TO.

I'M NOT GOING TO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE IMPOSED UPON ME.

I FEEL LIKE MY WIFE AND I AND OUR FAMILY ARE CHARITABLE.

BUT I'M NOT I DON'T WANT TO GET TAKEN.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. THE CITY IS IMPOSING THE FEES ON ME TO COVER THINGS THAT COULD BE RECTIFIED, MAYBE THROUGH THE LEGAL CHANNELS.

OKAY. I MEAN, I WILL SAY I'M OPEN TO ALL IDEAS.

WE'LL EXPLORE THIS FURTHER AND PLEASE CALL AROUND MORE THAN JUST RICHWOOD AND SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS.

IF IT'S NOT JUST 20 DAYS, IF THEY HAVE ANY SORT OF HOW THEY ADJUST THEIR TO MAYBE EXTEND A LITTLE GRACE.

I THINK MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THE MAYOR'S TOES, BUT MAYBE EXTEND A LITTLE WINDOW A LITTLE BIT.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE. BUT BUT THERE'S ALSO GOT TO BE YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A POINT.

YOU GOT TO ACT. YOU CAN'T JUST GO ON.

AND THAT GOES TO MR. COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH POINT.

AT SOME POINT WE'VE GOT TO MOVE THE OTHER WAY TOO.

OKAY. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO DEFINE WHO THAT A POLICY APPLIES TOO.

RIGHT? SO WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU GET THAT GRACE PERIOD.

OR ARE WE DOING IT CITYWIDE AND SAYING HEY, NOW I CAN AS A RESIDENT, CHRIS WHITTAKER, I CAN ADJUST MY PAYMENT TO THE CITY BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE A 30 DAY PAYMENT PERIOD.

. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY COMING AND PAYING THEIR BILLS? I MEAN BY HAND WITH A CHECK OR WITH A MONEY ORDER OR CASH? I MEAN, IS THAT A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE? 75 OR 80%.

THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THE FEES ONLINE IS ONE THING I HEAR.

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WE CHARGE A CONVENIENCE FEE IF THEY PAY ONLINE.

SO SO COULDN'T WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO SET UP A DRAFT RATHER THAN PAYING A CONVENIENCE FEE? I MEAN, IS THAT STUPID? IF WE'RE WRITING OFF ALL THIS, ALL THIS DEBT AND NOT GETTING PAID AND TRYING TO CHARGE FEES, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOVER ANYWAY, BECAUSE IF BECAUSE IF WE GET THEM SET UP ON A, ON A DRAFT, WE'VE GOT THEM HOOKED THE SAME WAY I'M HOOKED THE SAME WAY.

YOU JUST SAID EVERYBODY WHO PAYS THEIR BILL ON TIME GETS HOOKED.

YEAH, WE WE DO INVITE.

WE DO ASK EVERYBODY IF THEY'D LIKE TO SET UP THEIR BILL ON AUTO DRAFT WHENEVER THEY GET SIGNED UP AND WE ALSO WE IF YOU CALL AND MAKE A PHONE PAYMENT.

UH, WE HAVE AN 800 NUMBER YOU CAN CALL AND MAKE A PAYMENT.

THERE'S NO CONVENIENCE FEE FOR THAT.

IT'S IF YOU PAY WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD THROUGH THE WEBSITE THAT YOU GET CHARGED A CONVENIENCE FEE.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD CHARGE A FEE IF YOU'RE DOING IT MANUALLY BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE PAYMENT.

UH, YEAH.

I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEING DONE, BUT IT'S.

WELL, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS. WE'VE GOT TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.

YEAH. WELL, TO FOLLOW UP ON THE LEAD ISSUE, IN 2015, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE TO, UM, ENABLE THE CITY TO FILE UTILITY LIENS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST AND I CAN TELL THAT THAT RIGHT HAS NOT BEEN EXERCISED AS FAR AS I CAN RECALL.

AND WE'VE BEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY SINCE 2017.

SO I WOULD NEED TO, NUMBER ONE, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO PORTION OF THIS THAT'S BEEN PREEMPTED BY CURRENT LEGISLATION, ALTHOUGH THAT'S SUBJECT TO LITIGATION.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD CERTAINLY PUT FORWARD SOME SUGGESTIONS BASED ON WHAT YOUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS ON THE LIEN ISSUE.

JOHN, THE BURDEN OF IF THERE'S AN OWNER VERSUS A TENANT SHIFTS TO THE OWNER WHEN WE SEND A DEMAND LETTER, WHICH IS WHY ALL MY CITIES, WE WE SEND A LETTER IF THE OWNER CAN COME IN AND PROVE, HEY, IT'S NOT ME, IT'S MY PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT ME, NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY, THEN WE CAN'T FILE A LIEN.

CORRECT. BUT VERY RARELY DOES THAT ALL HAPPEN.

WHAT HAPPENS IS LANDLORD GETS MAD AND, YOU KNOW, TELLS THE TENANT TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS OR ELSE.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS? EITHER THE TENANT MOVES OUT OR SOME, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY.

MOST TIMES IT'S THE TENANT'S ALREADY MOVED OUT AND.

RIGHT. YEAH, BOLTED.

THAT TOO. I GUESS MY IDEA WAS JUST IN CALLING CALL YOUR COLLEAGUES OR I KNOW YOU'VE GOT OTHER MANY RESPONSIBILITIES AND YOU'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR ANOTHER TASK OR ASSIGNMENT, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU KINDLY TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO YOUR COLLEAGUES IN SIMILAR POSITIONS AND SEE IF IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT MISSING OR MAYBE WE'RE MISSING OR COULD CONSIDER, OKAY, THIS IS REALLY INFORMATIONAL AND FACT GATHERING TO UNDERSTAND FROM Y'ALL'S POINT, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT AS A POLICY.

AND I THINK WE OWE YOU SOME MORE DATA.

LIKE, SURE.

HOW MANY PEOPLE PAY BY CREDIT CARD? HOW MANY PEOPLE PAY DRAFT? HOW MANY PEOPLE PAY BY CASH IN THE DROP BOX? I MEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS.

WHAT WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT'S AFFECTED? HOW MANY OF THE X NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS ARE, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW, HAVING ISSUES AND MAYBE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE TARGET.

RIGHT. AND WHAT'S THE SCOPE, SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM.

YEAH. AND THIS IS REALLY INFORMATIONAL FOR ME BECAUSE I THINK THIS THING IS HITTING MY CREDIT CARD AND CHARGING ME A CONVENIENCE FEE.

YOU'RE ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT COMES TO THE WINDOW.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IF THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK, CHRIS BRINGS UP A GOOD ISSUE IN MY MIND.

AND THAT IS.

WE KIND OF HAVE THIS PERCENTAGE, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN YOU'RE ON THEIR PHONE WITH THE COLLEAGUES, WHAT THEIR PERCENTAGES ARE.

IF WE'RE STILL WITHIN THAT RANGE OF REASONABILITY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE RIGHT WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY NOT DOING ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WRONG.

IT'S KIND OF WHAT TO BE EXPECTED.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

IF IF WE'RE WAY BELOW GREAT, THEN WE MUST BE DOING IT PRETTY WELL.

AND IF WE'RE WAY ABOVE, THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. I MEAN. JUST BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW HOWEVER MANY PERCENTAGES, YOU KNOW, DELINQUENT WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE,

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SEND YOUR GUYS OUT, YOUR TECHS OUT TO CUT OFF POWER AS A PERCENTAGE.

I KNOW EVERYBODY'S CITIES CAN'T CAN'T.

IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES, BUT AS A PERCENTAGE.

WHAT ARE THEY DOING? YEAH, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, JOHN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UH, TALKING WITH CHLOE, THERE'S BEEN MANY TIMES WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FOLKS THAT ARE DELINQUENT OR WHATEVER, AND SHE MAKES ARRANGEMENTS WITH THEM, AND SHE DOES THAT ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHERE I THINK A LOT OF TIMES IT BELONGS BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU CREATE THAT BLANKET POLICY THAT SAYS, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GRANT EVERYONE, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT BUDGET, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SEPTEMBER, BUT BY THE TIME YOU DO ALL THE COLLECTIONS, WE'RE REALLY ALMOST IN THE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, UH, FOR GETTING THAT.

AND SO YOU DRAW YOU DRAW THAT PROCESS OUT FOR THE ENTIRE BUDGET IN THE SCOPE OF THINGS.

BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGES PAID BY CHECK CASH CARD.

HOW MANY REPEAT OFFENDERS DO WE HAVE ON A FREQUENT BASIS VERSUS PAYING CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, ON TIME CUSTOMERS AND AND DEMONSTRATE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND THEN WORK TOWARD WHAT THAT POLICY IS.

IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE POLICY AND HOW DOES IT HOW DOES IT IMPACT WHAT PERCENT OR WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT OR WHATEVER? YEAH, I AGREE, I MEAN, I WANT TO SAY KUDOS TO CHLOE AND THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE BEEN DOING.

I THINK YOU'VE HAD MORE ISSUES, I THINK IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THAN YOU EVER HAVE.

RIGHT? MORE PEOPLE COMPLAINING, MORE PEOPLE HAVING ISSUES PAYING.

I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT TO START TACKLING NOW BEFORE IT GETS WORSE BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW HOW THE NEXT FEW YEARS GO.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER RATE INCREASE, BUT I'M NOT [INAUDIBLE] SO GOOD WORK.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF LIVING IN A SMALL TOWN.

YOU STILL HAVE PEOPLE LIKE CHLOE WHO CAN WORK WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY.

YOU'RE NOT JUST A NUMBER, BUT YOU'RE A PERSON IN THE TOWN.

SO. OKAY.

WE'RE GOING TO TABLE ITEM NUMBER NINE.

ITEM NUMBER TEN DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING FUNDING FOR HDR, INC.

[10. Discussion and possible action on approving funding for HDR, Inc. to perform a Henderson right-of-way alignment for the Henderson Roadway Project.]

TO PERFORM A HENDERSON RIGHT OF WAY ALIGNMENT FOR THE HENDERSON ROADWAY PROJECT.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS, COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO, UH, KIND OF START PUSHING FORWARD WITH THIS HENDERSON.

AND WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? UH, TO GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, WE HAVE PERFORMED A CORRIDOR STUDY WHERE WE IDENTIFIED THE IMPACTS FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

UH, WE ALSO IDENTIFIED THE TURNING MOVEMENTS WITH TRAFFIC COUNTS.

UH, CAME UP WITH THE ALIGNMENT OR NOT THE ALIGNMENT, BUT WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE NEEDED AS FAR AS, UH, JUST CAPACITY OF THE ROADWAY AND AT THE INTERSECTIONS WITH YOUR TURNING MOVEMENTS AND STUFF.

WE'VE ALSO DONE A DRAINAGE STUDY WHERE WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE IMPACT AND ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE DRAINING INTO THE HENDERSON CORRIDOR AND WHAT EFFECTS THAT WOULD HAVE.

I THOUGHT YOU DID. I THOUGHT YOU DID.

UH HUH. YOU DID DO THE DRAINAGE STUDY? YES. WE'VE DONE ALL THOSE.

GOOD. UM, AND SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WHAT SIZE OF, UH, OF CULVERTS WE NEED TO DO TO BE ABLE TO FILL IN THE DITCH TO GIVE US, UH, POTENTIAL, THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH TO PUT IN WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS WHAT THE CAPACITY NEEDS TO BE OF THE ROADWAY WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE NEXT PHASE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IS TAKING A LOOK AT, ACTUALLY, THE ALIGNMENT.

UH, IT'S A PRETTY HEFTY PRICE WHEN WE START LOOKING AT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW CAN WE FIT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS THAT THAT THE CITY WANTS, THE SIDEWALKS, THE SHARED PATH, UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL STATIONS, UM, THE ADA COMPLIANCE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR WHERE DO WE NEED TO GET ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY? UM, THAT THAT IS THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO PRELIMINARY LAY OUT THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE PAVING, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IF WE STAY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND NOT HAVE TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY.