Feb 27, 2024 City Council

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU ARE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

I WILL START WITH JUDGE ASBESTOS AND YOU FILL OUT A FORM.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MATT SEBESTA, 1231 RAAB ROAD.

I LIVE BEHIND THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND ON PAGE 22, I WOULD BE REFERRED TO AS THE ANONYMOUS COUNTY RESIDENT

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BY STAFF.

YOU SEE ON PAGE 40, MY LETTER IS NOT ANONYMOUS.

I WONDER IF STAFF DID THAT TO DIMINISH SINCE I AM NOT A VOTER IN ANGLETON.

MY FIRST QUESTION HOW MANY OF YOU AT THE DAIS HAVE EVER BEEN ON RAAB ROAD? YEAH, Y'ALL ARE BETTER THAN ME.

MY THREE YEARS ON PLANNING AND ZONING HERE, MY 60 YEARS IN THIS CITY, MY NINE YEARS AS A COUNCILMAN, FOUR YEARS AS A MAYOR HERE.

UNTIL EIGHT YEARS AGO, I HAD NEVER BEEN ON RAAB ROAD.

AND I APPRECIATE THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

YOUR MINIMUM COUNTY, YOUR MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL ROAD IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON IS 28FT.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

CECIL YOU DESIGNED IT? A NUMBER OF THEM. THAT'S THE DESIGN STANDARD.

YES, SIR. THAT'S THE DESIGN STANDARD.

IT DON'T MEET THE DESIGN STANDARD.

THIS ROAD, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM TOWN, HEADING NORTH TOWARD ALVIN, IS A BLIND, HALF HAIRPIN CURVED ROAD THAT THE CURVE IS IMMEDIATELY OFF HIGHWAY 35.

HIGHWAY 35, GOING OUT OF TOWN, IS TRANSITIONING AT THAT SPOT FROM 50 TO 55 MILES AN HOUR.

COMING INTO TOWN, IT IS TRANSITIONING FROM 55 DOWN TO 50, AND IT IS A PASSING ZONE COMING INTO TOWN.

AND FOLKS DO USE IT AS A PASSING ZONE.

IF YOU'RE STOPPED ON THE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING TO PASS YOU ON THE RIGHT, GOING BOTH WAYS.

THE WAY THAT THE ROAD CURVES RIGHT THERE AT THE START, YOU CANNOT PASS TWO F150 VEHICLES.

IT IS 18FT BACK TO BACK, NO SHOULDER.

AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVING A SPECIFIC USE FOR A DAYCARE THAT WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE 170 CHILDREN, PLUS STAFF COMING IN AND OUT ON THE BUSIEST TIMES OF DAY, ALONG WITH BUSSES, TRANSITIONING PEOPLE IN AND OUT.

LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR.

I AM NOT AGAINST A DAYCARE.

A DAYCARE WOULD BE A FINE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOWEVER, CONTRARY TO STAFF, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHO, YOU HAD ANALYZED THIS ON STAFF AND YOUR STAFF ANALYSIS, ROADWAY ADJUSTMENTS, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES OR MECHANISMS, AND ACCESS RESTRICTIONS TO CONTROL TRAFFIC FLOW OR DIVERT TRAFFIC AS MAY BE NEEDED TO REDUCE OR ESTIMATE DEVELOPMENT GENERATED TRAFFIC ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

NO ISSUE.

THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT MATERIALLY DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE, OR RESULTS IN MATERIAL DAMAGE OR PREJUDICE TO OTHER PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY. NO DETRIMENTS WILL EXIST.

FOLKS, YOU'VE GOT A STAFF PROBLEM.

THE PICTURES THAT THEY TOOK AND PUT IN YOUR PACKAGE CHERRY PICKED PICTURES.

I ASSURE YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 21, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP PICTURE ON THAT LITTLE CURVE, WHICH IS A BLIND CURVE WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM TOWN, THOSE OF US THAT LIVE ON THERE, THE SEVEN HOUSEHOLDS AND JUST EIGHT YEARS AGO THERE WERE ONLY FOUR.

AND THERE'S MORE HOUSEHOLDS TO BE BUILT ON PROPERTY IN THERE.

WE KNOW THE DANCE.

WHEN WE'RE APPROACHING, WE LOOK TOWARD TOWN, WE SEE IF ANYBODY'S SLOWING DOWN, AND WE KNOW THE VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT.

WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO STOP, LET THEM COME IN.

SAME THING WHEN WE'RE COMING FROM TOWN, GOING TOWARD ALVIN.

WE LOOK DOWN THE ROAD TO SEE WHO'S COMING IN.

IF SOMEONE'S COMING OUT, WE KNOW TO BE AWARE YOU HAVE 170 CHILDREN, LET'S SAY 100 VEHICLES PLUS STAFF COMING IN AND OUT IN THE MORNINGS AND IN THE EVENINGS.

THAT DRIVEWAY THAT COMES IN IS BLIND BECAUSE OF THE SMALL LOT THAT'S ON THE CORNER.

I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY UNDEVELOPABLE.

YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT LOT.

YOU CAN'T SEE.

YOU ARE GOING TO BACK TRAFFIC UP ONTO 35 AS YOU HAVE THESE DAYCARE BUSSES, MOMS, DADS COMING IN WITH THEIR CHILDREN, THEIR MOST PRECIOUS CARGOES IN AND OUT.

YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE A SEVERE PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM.

AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A DAYCARE.

WE PROBABLY NEED MORE DAYCARES IN ANGLETON, SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.

ALL I'M ASKING IS BEFORE THIS IS APPROVED.

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MAKE IT SAFE.

TAKE THAT ROAD.

MAKE IT DESIGNED.

YOU'VE GOT A PERFECTLY SMART ENGINEER BACK HERE.

SAME ENGINEERING FIRM THAT HAS DONE OUR TOLLWAY WORK ON 288.

THEY CAN MAKE THAT SAFE.

ALL I'M ASKING.

MAKE IT SAFE.

I KNOW THOSE OF US THAT LIVE ON THE ROAD.

WE'RE NOT VOTERS.

WE DON'T COUNT THE WAY STAFF PUT IT IN THEIR ANONYMOUS COUNTY RESIDENT.

BUT THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THAT DAYCARE MORE THAN LIKELY ARE YOUR RESIDENTS.

LET'S LOOK OUT FOR THEIR SAFETY.

IT'S HARD TO SAY NO.

I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN IN YOUR POSITION FOR 34 YEARS.

IT'S HARD TO SAY NO, BUT A NO IS A YES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

LET'S MAKE THE ROAD RIGHT, AND THEN MY POSITION ENDS.

BUT LET'S MAKE IT SAFE.

NOT ONLY FOR THOSE FOLKS, BUT THE SEVEN HOUSEHOLDS OF WHICH TWO ARE ELDERLY.

AND IN A FEW YEARS, I'LL BE ONE OF THOSE ELDERLY.

SO LET'S MAKE IT SAFE.

FOR MY MOTHER IN LAW, MR. MAJORS, WHO'S LIVED DOWN THERE FOR CLOSE TO 50 YEARS ON THE END, WHO'S WELL INTO HIS 80S, WHO BOTH STILL DRIVE, PLUS THE OTHER SMALL YOUNG FAMILIES THAT ONE OF YOUR FIRE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS LIVES IN THERE WITH HIS THREE VERY YOUNG CHILDREN.

LET'S KEEP IT SAFE FOR THEM AND FOR THE FOLKS WHO WILL BE CUSTOMERS OF THIS DAYCARE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AGAIN.

I'M NOT USED TO BEING ON THIS SIDE OF THE MICROPHONE.

I'M USED TO BEING ON YOUR SIDE.

BUT THAT'S MY REQUEST.

LET'S MAKE IT SAFE.

ONCE IT'S SAFE, THEN APPROVE IT.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU MADAM.

JUST QUICKLY MAYOR, IF I MIGHT SUMMARIZE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.

A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY THE 1ST, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEIGHED THE FACTS OF THE CASE.

AND DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD REGARDING THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT IN THE AREA IN TERMS OF THE HISTORICAL ISSUES WITH RAPP ROAD AND THAT INTERSECTION VISIBILITY ISSUES AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE STRESSED BY JUDGE SEBESTA AND WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

AND I WILL SAY THAT ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIRMAN, THEY DID RECOGNIZE THE ISSUES THAT WERE JUST STRESSED AND ALSO ASK THAT THE CITY WOULD MAKE THAT A PRIORITY IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE INTERSECTION.

ACCESS MANAGEMENT AT THAT CORNER IN TERMS OF VISIBILITY AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

WE ALSO DID CONTACT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO GAIN INFORMATION.

WE WENT THROUGH THE CITY ENGINEER THAT PULLED THE NUMBERS ON SOME OF THE ACCIDENTS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN THE AREA.

AND ALSO FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH, YOU KNOW, NO SUBSEQUENT REPORTS IN TERMS OF NUMBERS OF ACCIDENTS WERE ON RECORD FOR THE INTERSECTION.

BUT HOWEVER, WE DO REALIZE IN TERMS OF WIDTH OF THE PAVEMENT, AS NOTED, THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE.

AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FORWARD THAT CONCERN TO THE COUNCIL.

WE DID LIST THREE CONDITIONS OF CONCERN ALSO ON THE PROPERTY THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO SATISFY REGARDING STATE LICENSING FOR THE CHILDREN, AND ALSO FROM A HEALTH INSPECTION PERSPECTIVE, THEY HAVE TO, OF COURSE, GAIN ALL OCCUPANCY AND APPROVALS.

SO THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS FORWARDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE DID NOTIFY EVERYONE WITHIN 200FT.

UNFORTUNATELY, AT THE TIME OF THE CASE SUBMISSION, THE OWNERSHIP, AS THE JUDGE STATED, WAS LISTED ANONYMOUS ON THE RECORDS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT GOT CARRIED FORTH IN THE LANGUAGE.

BUT WE DID ATTACH THE LETTER IN WHICH WE RECEIVED IN TIME FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO WE DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT MISCOMMUNICATION.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

TYPICALLY, DAYCARES ARE ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL AREAS IN WHICH WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION LATER.

ON THE TOPIC OF ZONING.

BUT HOWEVER, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, COUNCIL DOES REQUEST THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU SOME EXTRA LAYER OF CONCERNS WHEN WE HAVE DELICATE SITUATIONS.

SO I WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'RE STILL ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE. GREAT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST?

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MAY I JUST SAY, ON THE DAY OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, I WAS SPEAKING AT A PUBLIC EVENT I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND.

MR. WHITTAKER CAN VERIFY THAT MY UNAVAILABILITY.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS VERONICA KING.

HOW ARE YOU DOING? DAVID KING, HOW ARE YOU DOING, DAVE? GOOD. GOOD EVENING, I'M VIOLA DARDEN.

SO I THINK I WANT TO FIRST START OFF BY MAKING A CORRECTION BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.

AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT LICENSED FOR 170 KIDS.

BASED ON THE STATE OF TEXAS, WE HAVE 30FT² PER.

THE BUILDING IS AT APPROXIMATELY.

HOW MANY SQUARE FEET? IT'S 2000FT².

WE HAVE 30FT² PER 30FT² PER CHILDREN.

THAT'S NOT EQUIVALENT TO 170 KIDS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF HIS QUESTION, HOW DO WE SUGGEST MAKING IT SAFE? HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU GUYS PROPOSE MAKING IT SAFE? THAT'S NOT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD.

I MEAN, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE.

MAYBE FROM THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE ON A BOARD.

WE'RE A BOARD.

WE'RE JUST WANTING TO PROVIDE CHILD CARE FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL HOMES THAT ARE COMING IN THE THAT THAT ARE SOON TO COME INTO THE AREA. AND SO JUST, JUST YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS ON THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAYCARE ALMOST THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 7 OR 8 DAYCARES AND ANGLETON AND EVERY DAYCARE THAT EITHER ONE OF THEM HAS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

YOU HAVE RANCHO, YOU HAVE 35.

YOU HAVE HENDERSON.

NONE OF THOSE HAVE STOP SIGNS.

YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE ONE ON ANCHOR ROAD.

YOU KNOW, THAT ROAD IS NOT THAT BIG.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD GOING OUT.

YOU KNOW, HENDERSON ROAD.

YOU KNOW HOW BUSY YOU GOT? HIGH SCHOOL.

MIDDLE SCHOOL. YOU GOT EVERYTHING OVER THERE.

YOU GOT THE ONE OVER HERE ABOUT WEST SIDE ON 35.

YOU KNOW, NONE OF THOSE HAVE STOP SIGNS.

SO WHAT'S THE CONCERN? YOU KNOW NO PROBLEMS THERE.

YOU KNOW, THEY STILL OPERATE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A BIG CONCERN, YOU KNOW, AND ESPECIALLY ON THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, YOU HAVE A CAUTION LIGHT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT AS A DRIVER, YOU KNOW, HEY, I NEED TO SLOW DOWN.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY 200FT AWAY FROM THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, SO YOU GOT TO I KNOW THEY DIDN'T MENTION THAT, BUT YOU DO HAVE A CAUTION LIGHT THERE.

SO THAT KIND OF TELL YOU. HEY, I NEED TO SLOW DOWN.

YOU KNOW, LOOK BOTH WAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A GIVEN, YOU KNOW, SO BUT YET, YOU KNOW THAT SHOULDN'T BE A ISSUE.

TO ME. I MEAN, IF IT IS AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT ABOUT ONCE AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE.

HOW DO WE HOW DO YOU HOW DO WE MAKE IT SAFE? BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ABOUT SAFETY FOR THE KIDS AND OF COURSE, THE PARENTS THAT WE SERVE.

SO HOW DO I MEAN, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO ON OUR END, YOU KNOW, TO TO KIND OF COOPERATE WITH YOU GUYS SO WE CAN MAKE THIS AREA SAFE.

AND THEN THAT WAY EVERYONE'S HAPPY.

RIGHT? SO THIS IS IN SO THIS THIS IS WE HAVE THREE DAYCARES ALREADY.

SO THIS IS NOTHING, YOU KNOW.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX YEARS, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL IN COLORADO COUNTY AND, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE BEST DAYCARE GOING AROUND THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, SO WE WE WE HELD TO A HIGH STANDARD.

SO WE WANTED TO BE RIGHT.

WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO THROW ANYTHING UP.

OKAY. YOU KNOW.

WE'RE STILL ON PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO.

OKAY. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US, JUDGE SEBESTA OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I'M SURE WE'LL GET TO IT ONCE WE'RE OUT OF PUBLIC.

OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE? FIRST PODIUM. LAST CALL ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

COUNCIL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE HEARING.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE AT A PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL.

NOW. WE GET TO START OUR DISCUSSION REPORT.

MR. MAYOR, BEFORE YOU PROCEED ANY FURTHER, I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS VOTE BECAUSE OF PROFESSIONAL OBLIGATIONS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WE WANT TO START.

WELL, I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT I KNOW THERE'S STOP SIGNS EVERYWHERE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAYCARE CENTERS, BUT THE OTHER ONES HAVE A SLOWER SPEED LIMIT. THAT'S MY CONCERN.

IF WE'RE GOING 55 MILES AN HOUR ON THAT ROAD AND YOU BROUGHT UP THE CAUTION LIGHT, THAT'S TRUE.

BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THE YELLOW LIGHT IS TO SPEED UP, UNFORTUNATELY.

SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH PEOPLE STOPPING STOP SIGN IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY COMING OUT AND SOMEBODY COMING IN THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AWFUL HARD TO DO.

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AND IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE KIDS, I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM, WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST WE CAN WORK WITH TEX, DOT OR ANYTHING ELSE TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY, BUT THAT MAY TAKE SOME TIME.

BUT WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT EXPERIENCED DRIVERS.

OKAY. YES, PLEASE.

OKAY. VERONICA KING.

NO, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK YOU SAID, KIDS, I THINK WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT EXPERIENCED DRIVERS.

A LOT OF THESE DRIVERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH WITHIN ANGLETON.

THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL THAT ROAD ON A DAILY, I'M SURE THEY'RE KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THAT, WITH THAT PATHWAY THAT THEY TRAVEL.

I MEAN, YOU KIND OF WE HAVE TO KIND OF HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

I MEAN THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A STREET THAT THEY NORMALLY PROBABLY TRAVEL.

I MEAN, SURE IT IS.

BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S THAT WOULD BE MY WITH THE BLIND SPOT COMING OUT OF THAT ROAD.

AND THERE IS A BLIND SPOT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD CONTACT THE OWNER OF THAT TO CLEAR THE WOODS AND STUFF, TO ACTUALLY SEE TO THE LEFT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS, IS IF WE GIVE YOU THE PERMIT OR GO AHEAD AND LET YOU.

I JUST WONDER IF WE'RE CREATING A HAZARD FOR SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE.

ARE WE ABLE TO LOOK FOR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND SEE? I MEAN, IT'S I'M SORRY.

I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

YEAH. IS THAT AN OPTION? SO.

THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, RIGHT? YES. DOES IT JUST GO SIT THERE? SO LET'S NOW GO OPERATE AS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG CONCERN, RIGHT? EVEN IF MY CONCERN WHEN IT WAS A CHURCH THERE, IT'S IF YOU WERE IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, THAT CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

IT'S BEEN THERE FOR PROBABLY 50 YEARS.

RIGHT. IT'S NOT A CONCERN.

I'VE GOT THE STATISTICS RIGHT HERE.

NO WRECKS.

AND IT'S BEEN AN OPERATING CHURCH COMMERCIAL BUILDING, OFFICE SPACE.

IT HAS IT.

THE STATISTICS TELL YOU RIGHT HERE.

NO WRECKS. SO I DON'T SEE THE CONCERN BECAUSE IS THAT BUILDING JUST GOING TO SIT THERE? BECAUSE IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE FREEWAY.

NO. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU IN THE BUILDING.

DON'T DON'T GET ME WRONG.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE A HAZARD.

YEAH, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN THERE.

IF THIS IS A HAZARD TO YOU, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS.

BUT YOU'RE BUT YOU'RE INCREASING THE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT DOES.

RIGHT. YOU CAN HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE BUILDING PULL OUT AND HAVE A WRECK.

ALL IT TAKES IS ONE INDIVIDUAL, RIGHT? ALL IT TAKES IS ONE PERSON.

PUT 150 PEOPLE OUT.

ALL IT TAKES IS ONE.

CORRECT? AM I RIGHT OR WRONG? YOU'RE CORRECT. SO THAT DOESN'T MATTER.

BUT YOU STILL IF STILL ONE MOMENT.

FOR THE PAST, SINCE 1974 75, WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT THERE, THAT WAS A GULF COAST BAPTIST ASSOCIATION OFFICE. NOT A CHURCH, NOT A CHURCH, NO, JUST STATING THE FACTS.

OKAY, OKAY.

THERE WAS A THERE WAS A STAFF OF ABOUT 3 OR 4 PEOPLE AT THAT OFFICE IN THERE.

OCCASIONALLY THEY HAD MEETINGS WHERE THEY'D COME AND HAVE THESE OCCASIONAL MEETINGS, NOT DAILY MEETINGS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT PLACE FUNCTIONED AT.

RECENTLY. THEY DECIDED TO SELL IT BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THIS GULF COAST PASTOR BAPTIST ASSOCIATION DECIDED TO SELL IT.

THE TRAFFIC LOADING ON THAT ROAD DURING THAT, DURING THAT USE WAS MINIMAL, JUST LIKE IT'S LESS THAN IT IS ABOUT WHAT IT IS TODAY.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU APPROACH A WHEN YOU APPROACH AN INTERSECTION AND YOU TELL TEX DOT, I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS MANY CARS PER DAY ENTERING AND EXITING THE HIGHWAY, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOUR DESIGN STANDARD IS.

AND THIS INTERSECTION DOES NOT MEET THAT.

I'M JUST THAT'S THE GEOMETRY OF THAT INTERSECTION IS INCORRECT.

SO. SO WE'RE SO.

JUST A SECOND. OKAY, I'VE GOT THE FLOOR.

GO AHEAD. SO TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION WITH THAT KIND OF A TRAFFIC LOADING, THE

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INTERSECTION NEEDS TO GET IMPROVED TO MAKE IT TO MAKE IT TO MINIMUM MINIMUM SAFETY STANDARDS.

YEAH I AGREE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY WRECKS OUT THERE, BUT YOU HAVE 2 OR 3 CARS A DAY COMING OUT AT THAT INTERSECTION, RATHER THAN DROPPING OFF 20 TO 50 CHILDREN IN THE MORNING OR 20 TO HOWEVER MANY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.

SO THAT'S THAT EXPONENTIALLY INCREASES THE TRAFFIC LOADING AT THAT INTERSECTION.

MAN, I'M COMING AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

OKAY. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HOMES? ALL OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BUILDING BUILD ON THAT AREA.

AREN'T WE GENERATING MORE TRAFFIC AS WELL DOWN THAT ROAD? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WITHIN THAT AREA ON THAT ROAD WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN TO 35.

THAT'S THOUSANDS OF CARS A DAY.

SERIOUSLY, IN THE 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME WHEN MOST OF US ARE ASLEEP, THEY'RE STILL GOING AND COMING AND GOING.

SO WE GOT TO LOOK AT IT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.

THAT'S IF YOU WERE IF WE WERE TO GO BACK AND BECOME AN OFFICE BUILDING WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE.

10 OR 12 PEOPLE IN THEIR OFFICES DURING THE DAY, MINIMAL TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE, HE WOULD PROBABLY SUFFICE.

BUT THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT'S POTENTIALLY GOING AND COMING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION INTO AND OUT OF A DAYCARE FACILITY, YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT CONSIDERABLY. AND WE'RE NOT BASING IT OFF THE 170.

CORRECT. BECAUSE WHAT'S A 170? BECAUSE I DID 70 KIDS.

I'M JUST SAYING THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH THERE AND THE NUMBER OF CARS ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR INITIAL POPULATION OF THAT DAYCARE CENTER IS GOING TO BE, BUT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS ANY.

WHEN YOU WHEN YOU START UP WHAT YOUR HEAD COUNT, DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE AND WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GENERATE? ACTUALLY, OUR HEAD COUNT IS MORE LIKE BETWEEN 65 TO 75, OKAY, NOT 170.

HOW MANY CARS A DAY DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GENERATE IN TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE? WE'LL SAY ONE. NOW THIS IS BETWEEN OVERT DROP OFFS.

IF WE OPEN UP THE OTHER TIMES THE DAYCARES, THIS IS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE FROM THE HOUR OF 6:00 TO CUT OFF TIME IS 830.

SO ALL PARENTS AREN'T DROPPING OFF AT ONE TIME.

THAT TRAFFIC IS THAT TRAFFIC IS BEING GENERATED OVER A COUPLE OF HOURS.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH.

THAT'S HOW YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IT'S MAJORLY DIFFERENT THAN IT IS NOW.

OF COURSE I AM.

I WENT BY YESTERDAY, SAT IN THE OLD AISD FOOD PLACE AND 4:00 I COUNTED JUST DID A TRAFFIC COUNT MYSELF JUST TO LOOK AT 35 ITSELF.

IT WAS OVER 20 CARS PER MINUTE THAT WERE COMING THROUGH THERE AT 4:00.

SO THAT'S KIND OF YOUR PEAK TIME, RIGHT? 4 TO 5.

THAT'S WHERE SCHOOL'S GETTING OUT.

PEOPLE ARE MOVING.

THAT'S WHY I WENT AND DID THAT AT THAT TIME.

I THINK THE SECOND MINUTE WAS ABOUT 22 OR 23, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

IT, IT'S CONTINUOUS THROUGH THERE DURING THAT TIME.

THE QUESTION I ALSO HAD WAS THIS IS MORE FOR JUDGE SEBESTA, AS YOU'VE LIVED THERE ALL FOR A LONG FOR A LITTLE BIT THAT JUST RECENTLY GOT CLEARED OUT, THAT INTERSECTION ON THAT CORNER. IT USED TO BE OVERGROWN OVER THERE.

TEXTILE, ACTUALLY, MR. HANKS, CREWS GET SOME MOWING AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S X DOT RIGHT OF WAY GOING INTO CITY, RIGHT OF WAY.

RIGHT. THEY CLEANED Y'ALL'S RIGHT OF WAY FOR YOU AS WELL WITH SOME AERIAL MOWING.

BUT YES, IT PROBABLY ANOTHER 12 TO 15FT IN TO THE ROAD GOING OUT TOWARD THE ROAD WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS FOR DEER KILLED RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION.

AND IT IS IN THE MORNINGS.

IN THE EVENINGS THERE IS NO LIGHT THERE AS FAR AS STREET LIGHTS.

IT IS DARK.

IT IS.

YEAH, IT SUFFICES FOR THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND FOR STAFF.

DID YOU MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO TALK TO TXDOT ABOUT THE CENTER SECTION ON WHAT THE LOADING WOULD LOOK LIKE? AS COUNCILMAN BOOTH JUST POINTED OUT, WE DID PUT AN INITIAL INQUIRY IN, UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN QUITE SOME TIME, AND THEN TO REQUEST THE INFORMATION, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ACT, WHICH WOULD HAVE TAKEN EVEN MORE TIME.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH THE CITY ENGINEER AND HE WAS ABLE TO ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS AND THE.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL IT THE CITY ENGINEER.

DO YOU AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN ASSESSMENT THAT THAT INTERSECTION WOULD NOT BE BUILT TODAY IN THAT CONFIGURATION? THE INFORMATION THAT I WAS GIVEN OR REQUESTED FOR WAS WHAT WAS THE CRASH DATA?

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DO WE HAVE CRASH DATA OUT THERE? SO WE WENT AND WENT INTO THE TEX DOT LOGS THAT THEY HAVE ALONG THEIR FACILITIES.

WE WENT FIVE YEARS BACK AND IDENTIFIED THERE'S BEEN NO FATALITIES OR NO BIG WRECKS.

BUT THE FACT IS, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THAT INTERSECTION TODAY, THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE COMPLIANT TO WHAT THE STANDARD SHAPE OF THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE.

OKAY. SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT STANDARDS AREN'T MET.

NOW, THE OTHER THING WAS, AND YOU HAD A FAIR POINT OF, WELL, SHOULDN'T THE CITY THAT SHOULD BE ON THE CITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF COST AND, AND TIME FOR THAT TO JUST REHAB THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A TEX DOT INTERSECTION AND GOES TO A COUNTY ROAD BASICALLY. SO CORRECT.

I DON'T IT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S.

CAN YOU SPEND CITY MONEY ON NON CITY INFRASTRUCTURE? YOU KNOW, IT'S A TEX-DOT OWNED INTERSECTION THAT TIES INTO A COUNTY ROAD.

RIGHT. SO AT THAT POINT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SPEND CITY FUNDS TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION.

OKAY. I THINK ANOTHER ANOTHER ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT DO YOU START MAKING A CHANGE TO AN INTERSECTION ON THE TEX-DOT HIGHWAY? YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE BRAND NEW PROCESS OF GETTING PERMITS, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO MEET.

IT JUST TOTALLY BLOWS YOUR MIND TO WHAT IS NEEDED.

TEX-DOT IS GOING TO APPROACH THAT.

IT'S SOMETHING BRAND NEW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST WIDENING IT OUT.

THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW ALL THESE ALL THESE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER.

AND IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO MAJORLY CHANGE THAT INTERSECTION TO TO REBUILD IT, TO FUNCTION THE WAY Y'ALL LIKE TO FUNCTION.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN PRETTY HARD ON THE PEOPLE OVER ON THE EAST SIDE THAT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MULBERRY FIELDS, TRYING TO PUT A SUBDIVISION IN AND ALL THE OTHER GUYS. I'VE BEEN PRETTY OPEN AND HONEST ABOUT MY CONCERN ON TRAFFIC LOADING ON HIGHWAY 35 ITSELF, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT TEX-DOT IS NOT GIVING IT THE ATTENTION IT REALLY NEEDS.

I FEEL THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD ALL THE WAY, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES BY CEDAR AND DOWNING THAT I THINK ARE AN ISSUE.

I FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE GOING BACK ON WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING CONSISTENTLY DOWN THAT ROAD.

IF I WAS TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS FINE.

BUT I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, MR. KING. THAT IT IT'S A VACANT BUILDING, AND I HATE TO SEE VACANT BUILDINGS NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED.

WE DON'T WANT VACANT BUILDINGS IN ANGLETON.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO FIX THIS.

NEEDS TO BE A SAFETY ISSUE AND FIX THE ROAD INTERSECTION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A TEXT DOT OR IF IT'S A CITY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A TEXT DOT TO ME.

BUT I THINK WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANY INFORMATION BACK FROM TXDOT YET.

SO. QUESTION.

YES, SIR. I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE, RIGHT? AND I'VE SEEN NEW SCHOOLS GO UP.

NEW HIGH SCHOOLS. PREVIOUSLY, I HADN'T SEEN ANY NEW ROADS.

I HADN'T SEEN NEW ROADS AT ALL.

NOT ONE. OKAY.

WELL, 91, PLEASE.

I MEAN, I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN.

111 ROAD COMING OUT OF A NEW SCHOOL.

WELL, I MEAN, TO HELP TRAFFIC.

THAT'S THE CONCERN.

THAT'S THE CONCERN. CORRECT.

WEEKS IN A DOWNING ON HIGH SCHOOL.

YEAH. WE DID WHAT WE EXTENDED DOWNING ON THE HIGH SCHOOL DRIVE STADIUM.

YEAH I'M TALKING ABOUT MAJOR.

THE MAJOR ROAD OUTLETS.

THAT'S A MAJOR. THAT'S A MAJOR OUTLET.

YEAH. YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HENDERSON, DID YOU? WE'RE ACTUALLY ON ONE OF THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HENDERSON. YEAH, BUT IS IT? WE'VE GOT MONEY IN THE IN A BOND.

WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY, BUT IS IT DONE? THAT'S WHAT I'M.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YOU HAVE SCHOOLS ALREADY? YES, SIR. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FUTURE PROJECTS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ALREADY PASSED AND THAT'S ALREADY OPERATING.

RIGHT. AND IT'S STILL THE SAME, RIGHT? WELL, EVERY SCHOOL THAT'S BEEN BUILT SINCE 90S HAS HAS A LIGHT CONTROL INTERSECTION.

SAME INFRASTRUCTURE BASICALLY, BUT IT'S LIGHT CONTROLLED.

THE HIGH SCHOOL HAS A LOT CONTROL ON MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND WEST SIDE HAS A LOT CONTROL.

THOSE ARE TWO OF THE NEWEST SCHOOLS, FRONTIER.

THEY PUT THAT INTERSECTION AT 523.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

IT'S STILL A TRAFFIC. IT'S TRAFFIC.

BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE BRINGING UP THE POINT OF SCHOOLS.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THEY ARE, LIKE.

SO WITH THE STATISTICS OF NO CRASHES WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

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ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL LETS OUT.

THAT'S ONE OF YOUR PROBABLY MAIN ROADS THAT THE KIDS DRIVE UP AND DOWN, RIGHT? IT STILL HAS CRASHES.

I MEAN, WE JUST WE JUST GOT STATISTICS RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUY.

YEAH. WAS IT ANY WRECKS? NOT IN THIS LOCATION.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY LOCATION? ABSOLUTELY. SO.

BUT YOU BROUGHT UP THE SCHOOL, SO? SO I'M TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S AN OUTLET, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S A PATHWAY.

THAT'S A RIGHT.

KIDS DRIVE UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD THROUGH BY RALPH.

RIGHT. ROAD. THEY DO NO WRECKS YOU KNOW.

AND WE HAVE BUILT A NEW HIGH SCHOOL WITH FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO.

I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG, BUT NONE, YOU KNOW.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU INCREASE THE OCCUPANCY, YOU STILL OWN, YOU KNOW, WRECKS ON THAT ROAD, BUT YOUR CONCERN IS TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT THE DESIGN STANDARD.

I MEAN, IT TEX-DOT WOULD TELL YOU THAT IF THEY WOULD REPLY, I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT SO WHO'S GOING TO FIX THE ROAD? I WOULD SAY IT'S GOT TO BE TXDOT.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT, OTIS? THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CITY.

TYPICALLY, FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD HAVE LIKE AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT POLICY.

SO WITH THE LAND USES, THERE ARE CERTAIN TRIGGERS THAT WOULD TRIGGER A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.

SOMETHING THIS SIZE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC VOLUME MAY NOT TRIGGER THAT TYPE OF STUDY.

THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION TO SEE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE TO THE INTERSECTION.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK ON OUR SIDE FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE UPON OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, I THINK POLICIES, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.

BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER A REVIEW BY THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT SINCE THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE CIRCULATION, THE STACKING THAT'S REQUIRED BY ZONING WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF ON SITE.

SO THIS IS A MATTER OF TRAFFIC VOLUME, I THINK, AND WE NEED TO WORK ON OUR TRIGGERS TO TO DETERMINE WHO WHO DOES WHAT IN THIS INSTANCE.

BECAUSE THESE ARE OFF SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

JOHN. COUNSEL.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LOOK. DAVID, I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR POSITION.

AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT COUNCIL HERE AS IF AS IF WE'RE THE ROADBLOCK FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT, NOR JUDGE SEBESTA OVER HERE.

WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS BASICALLY A PIPE THAT IS TOO SMALL FOR THE AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT'S EXISTING.

AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THERE ARE CERTAIN BOXES THAT HAVE TO BE CHECKED BEFORE WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD.

I AM NUMBER ONE ON, ON ON THE SIDE OF OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THIS TOWN.

I PROBABLY SPEAK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL WHEN IT COMES TO ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO WHO I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH SCHOOL TOGETHER.

I MEAN, I GET IT, YOU KNOW AND I APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO AN ISSUE WITH, WITH INFLOW AND EGRESS FROM THIS BUSINESS AT THAT INTERSECTION, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE PULLING OUT AND TRYING TO CROSS.

THERE ARE THERE ARE, AS COUNCILMAN BOOTH SAID, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADHERED TO FOR THAT TYPE OF OUTFLOW FROM THAT BUSINESS, AND THERE'S JUST NOT REALLY ANY WAY AROUND THAT.

WE'VE RUN INTO THIS.

IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, THERE WAS WHAT WAS THAT ONE RECENTLY ON 35 WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE THE ONE WAY ROAD THAT'S PULLING OUT FROM THE FROM THAT SUBDIVISION.

AND THESE ARE THE KIND OF SIMILAR THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL WHEN YOU'RE HANDLING THIS TYPE OF TRAFFIC VOLUME THERE MAY BE SOME SORT OF OTHER YOU KNOW, SOLUTION.

THERE MAY BE SOME SORT OF OTHER SOLUTION TO THIS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SOLUTION THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO AVOID GOING THROUGH TEXDOT.

YEAH. TEXDOT COULD PUT IN MEDIANS RIGHT THROUGH THERE WITH TURN LANES ONLY.

I MEAN, THIS LONG TERM.

YEAH. BUT I MEAN, WE WOULD ALREADY BE PUTTING THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE BEFORE.

BUT I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SUTTON AS WELL.

SO COUNCIL. DO I HAVE A MOTION? ONCE AGAIN. DO I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY. LAST CALL. IS THERE ANYONE ON COUNCIL WISHING TO MAKE A MOTION, APPROVAL OR DENIAL? MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR THE APPROXIMATE 2.7 ACRES OF LAND CURRENTLY ZONED CG COMMERCIAL

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DISTRICT FOR NOT ALLOWING A DAYCARE.

I HAVE A MOTION TO. I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL, A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR DENIAL OF THE SUP.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. JUST TO I THINK EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A STRESSFUL VOTE.

YEAH. YES. YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOMEONE TRYING TO IMPROVE THEIR INTO BUILDING THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, AND WE'RE KIND OF STUCK AT. AN IMPASSE ON THE ACCESS AND THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THIS ROAD.

SO IT'S SOME SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE.

I AGREE. I MEAN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I THINK WE JUST GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO GET TEXDOT ON BOARD AND GIVE US A PLAN BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK IF YOU COULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH, YOU KNOW, TEXDOT SAYING, YES, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND THE ACTIONS WE'LL TAKE, THEN I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

SO I JUST WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS ON 35 THAN WE ALREADY HAVE AT THIS MOMENT.

AND WE'VE BEEN THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ON THAT FOR THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW, A FEW YEARS WITH SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON THROUGH 35.

I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN BOOTH FOR SPEAKING MY FEELINGS TO YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS THIS IS A DIFFICULT VOTE FOR US.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT WE TAKE LIGHTLY.

THIS IS ONE THAT'S, I THINK, HITTING US ALL IN THE GUT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS.

WE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE. WE LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S NEITHER NONE OF US TAKE ANY ANY JOY IN THIS.

NO, NOT AT ALL. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR OUR CITIZENS THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED.

BECAUSE WE WE HAVE EXPANDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT'S JUST.

IT IS. TO HAVE TO DECIDE OF ADDING THE MORE VOLUME AND THE DANGEROUS SITUATION THAT COULD BE IN THE DESIGN CENTERS THAT ARE NOT UP TO STANDARD.

AND I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO COME BACK AND PLEASE, LET'S WORK WITH TXDOT.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS SETTLED SO THAT WE PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR US.

YEAH, YEAH. PLEASE COME BACK.

YEAH. I THINK WE'RE ALL FOR THE DAYCARE GOING IN, SO WE JUST NEED TO GET THE SITUATION WITH THE TRAFFIC FIXED.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? CALL FOR THE VOTE.

I HAVE NUMBER THREE. CONDUCT A HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240227003, APPROVING A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY

[3. Conduct a hearing, discussion, and take possible action on Ordinance No. 20240227-003 approving a request to rezone approximately 0.1799 acres of land from the “SFA”, Single Family Attached District to the “C-G”, Commercial General District with a Specific Use Permit to allow for a small daycare addition on a tract of land located adjacent and south of 2924 N Valderas St., Angleton, TX 77515, Angleton, Texas, legally described as A0380 J DE J VALDERAS TRACT 125B7 (MOODY TR 2 (PT)) (ANGLETON) ACRES 0.1799, Brazoria County, Texas. ]

0.71799 ACRES OF LAND FROM THE SFA SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DISTRICT TO THE CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A SMALL DAYCARE ADDITION ON ATTRACTIVE LAND LOCATED ADJACENT AND SOUTH OF 2924 NORTH BOUNDARY STREET, ANGLETON, TEXAS.

77515. ANGLETON, TEXAS.

LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS A0380JDJ VALDERAS TRACT 125V7.

THE MOODY TR TWO ANGLETON ACRES, 0.1799 BRAZORIA COUNTY, TEXAS.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS A REQUEST, OF COURSE, FOR A REZONING AND ALSO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE OVERLAY IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, LOCATED JUST NORTH OF HENDERSON ROAD AT NORTH BORDERS.

THIS IS AN EXISTING DAYCARE IN WHICH MOST OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH.

IN TERMS OF WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, A SMALL ADDITION TO THE USE, WHICH WOULD SUPPLEMENT WHAT THEY DO AS A DAYCARE, ALLOW FOR MORE SPACE TO ACTUALLY SPREAD OUT THEIR ACTIVITIES, NOT TO INCREASE THE THRESHOLD OF THE CHILDREN PER SE, BUT THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY FOR THIS FACILITY IS 119 CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE SERVED WITH THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

SFA WAS PART OF A REZONING FOR TRIPOLI SUBDIVISION, WHICH PROVIDED FOR ATTACHED LIVING ON THIS PARTICULAR ACREAGE.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY CG COMMERCIAL PRIOR TO BEING REZONED FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE.

OF WHICH IT'S KIND OF SAD FOR SOME TIME AND HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.

THE OWNER OF THE TRACK IS, AS WE STATED, HOPING TO ENHANCE THE DAYCARE USE BY PROVIDING FOR.

THIS IS WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY THE 1ST AND IS BEING FORWARDED TO YOU WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN WE HAVE LISTED FOR ITEMS TO DEAL WITH, ANY ISSUES REGARDING LICENSING AND ALSO ACCESS MANAGEMENT.

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I WILL SAY WHEN THE PLAN FIRST CAME TO US IN THE DOG MEETING, THE DEVELOPMENT WORKING GROUP MEETING, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS IN TERMS OF STACKING SOME OF THE HARD CONCERNS ON TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT. AS YOU KNOW, AT THE INTERSECTION OF HENDERSON, THESE THINGS WERE DEALT WITH, WE THINK, SUFFICIENTLY BY THE APPLICANT.

THEY HAVE PROVIDED FOR STACKING OF A VAST NUMBER OF CARS ON SITE, WHICH WOULD GET THE CARS OFF OF THE ROAD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE COMPARED TO WHAT IT DOES TODAY.

AND THEN IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR MORE PARKING.

AND THEN THEY WOULD DO A COMBINED ACCESS TO THE SITE JUST SOUTH OF THAT JUST MENTIONED IN TERMS OF IF THAT PROPERTY WERE TO DEVELOP.

SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER BOTH OF THOSE THINGS UNDER THE ORDINANCE REZONING AND SUP.

WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE.

COUNCIL DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS.

SECOND, BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THEY'RE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

STATE YOUR NAME AND WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM.

ONE MORE TIME.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.

MR. MAYOR. MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW OUT OF PUBLIC HEARING.

NOW LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION.

NOTICE ON THIS PROPERTY.

I'M GLAD YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT STACKING, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE THING THAT I'VE HEARD THE MOST OF FROM THE RANCHO RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.

YEAH. HOW IS HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THAT? SO MIGUEL IS HERE FROM BAKER LAWSON, BUT I THINK THE STACKING WOULD BE UP TO ABOUT 12 CARS ON SITE NOW.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THAT STACKING AS YOU KNOW, AS CARS ARE PULLING IN DURING PEAK HOURS.

YOU DO GET SOME PUSHBACK ONTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WAS A MATTER OF CONCERN.

SO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS VOICED THAT CONCERN.

BUT BY THE TIME OF THE HEARING THEY LISTENED AND REDESIGN THE PLAN TO THE APPROACH THAT YOU SEE WITH THE COMBINED ACCESS MANAGEMENT WITH THE SITE TO THE SOUTH.

THEY GAVE THEM MORE ROOM TO PROVIDE THE STACKING, AND WE FELT THAT SUFFICIENTLY WOULD ADDRESS THE DAY CARE.

IT IMPROVES THE, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT SITUATION.

AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IF THAT'S ANY CONCERN.

BUT WE FELT THAT THIS WAS THE BEST USE IN TERMS OF THAT TRACK, IN TERMS OF ENHANCING THE CURRENT PROBLEMS. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION FELT CONFIDENT THAT THOSE CONCERNS HAD BEEN ADDRESSED AS WELL.

IS THE OWNER HERE? THE OWNER I DON'T THINK IS HERE.

NO, BUT I'M HERE.

MIGUEL CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THEIR BEHALF.

HE'S ASIAN. OKAY.

MIGUEL, CAN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? WHITTAKER. AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE YOU'RE THIS IS MORE OF A PARKING PROJECT, RIGHT? OR ARE YOU EXTENDING THE BUILDING AT ALL? SO THE THERE IS A SECOND BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE PROPERTY.

YEAH. TALKING WITH THE OWNER, THEY ARE NOT INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF THEIR SCHOOL AND NOT ADDING MORE STUDENTS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE INITIALLY MET WITH OTIS THE INTENT WAS TO NOT DO IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PARKING LOT, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT THAT PARKING LOT DOESN'T MEET THE THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THAT DAYCARE HAS.

AND THE STACKING IS AN ISSUE.

YES. IT IS. CURRENTLY THERE'S ONLY ABOUT I'M GOING TO SAY THREE CARS OF STACKING BEFORE THE CARS ACTUALLY GET ON VALDEZ STREET.

WE DID TALK WITH OTIS.

WE INCREASED THAT STACKING REQUIREMENT TO WE INCREASED IT TO ABOUT 12 OR 14.

AND I THINK THE REQUIRED IS ONLY EIGHT PER THE CITY CODE.

SO WE ARE ADDRESSING THAT.

AND THEN WE ALSO ARE WE'RE INCREASING THE PARKING LOT COUNT FROM 17 TO 26.

SO. SO KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH YOUR WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR STACKING AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS CURRENTLY? THEY COME IN, IT GOES THROUGH AND COMES BACK OUT.

RIGHT? IF THERE'S ANYBODY PARKING, THERE'S ONLY THOSE COUPLE SPOTS IN THAT MIDDLE AND ON THE SIDES.

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YES. WHAT IS THIS PROPERTY GOING TO DO FOR RESOLVING THE STACKING.

SO BUT THE PROPERTY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP AN AERIAL, BUT THERE'S THREE DRIVEWAYS ON THE PROPERTY.

TWO ARE FOR PULLING IN AND OUT OF THE DAYCARE, AND ONE IS FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCK COMING AND OUT.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE NEW PARKING LOT IS WE'RE CONSOLIDATING THAT INTO TWO DRIVEWAYS, AND WE'RE INCREASING THE SPACING BETWEEN THEM FOR THE STACKING OF THAT DRIVEWAY THAT'S ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ON THAT PRIVATE ROAD DRIVE THAT ON THE TRIPOLI SUBDIVISION. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE LAND THAT THE DAYCARE OWNS RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE DAYCARE AND THE TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION.

SO. THERE'S A SOUTH DRIVE ENTRANCE ONLY IN THE NORTH DRIVE EXIT ONLY.

CORRECT. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A ONE WAY IN.

ONE WAY OUT OF THE DRIVEWAYS ARE BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE BE TWO WAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO ONE WAY IN THE FIRST ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS GOING TO GO AWAY.

IS THAT OR IS IT GOING TO STAY THERE? BECAUSE THIS DRAWING SHOWS IT'S GONE.

YES. CORRECT.

THERE USED TO BE THERE'S, THERE'S TWO AND THREE DRIVES.

YEAH. WE'RE WE'RE TAKING UP TWO AND WE'RE WIDENING ONE AND THEN ADDING A COMPLETELY NEW ONE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. THEY GOT INCREASED RADII AND INCREASED THROAT WIDTH.

SO AND CULVERTS DOWN VALDEZ FILLING IN THE NEW AREA WILL BE EXTENDED.

THEY WILL BE EXTENDED CORRECT.

SIDEWALKS. RIGHT. AND THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK.

YES. THE WAY THEY'RE MODERNLY DESIGNED, THE ORIGINAL SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

WE WILL PUT THEM IN ON BOTH SIDES, ON, ON VALDERAS AND ON THE STREET.

OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO EXTEND THE CROSSING, CORRECT? IT'S LONG BEEN NEEDED.

AND THEN THAT THAT ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTH WILL BE SHARED WITH THE TOWNHOMES IF THEY EVER DEVELOP.

CORRECT? YES.

SO THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE ENTRANCE IN THIS ON FOR BOTH SECTIONS.

OR THE TOWNHOMES HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE, HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE.

THEY HAVE TWO ENTRANCES.

THEY'LL BE SHARING THE ONE BETWEEN THEM.

I LOOKED AT THE PLANET, AT SUBDIVISIONS.

IT'S KIND OF A HARD THING.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC STREET THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.

IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.

RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE A BIG LONG.

WHY'D YOU COME IN ON ONE END AND GO OUT THE OTHER END? YEAH. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR CHRISTY BAIRD, WHO OWNS STAKE OR OWNS THAT SUBDIVISION.

SO THAT'S WHY SHE'S ABLE TO PUT THAT DRIVE ON THERE TO SHARE IT.

CORRECT. SO THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS OWNED BY THE SAME? YES. BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE YOU, MIGUEL.

BUT I'D PREFER TO TALK TO CHRISTIE.

I MEAN, I'M BEING SERIOUS. I'D RATHER TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

GIVE HIM A COMPLEX. COME ON, MAN.

SORRY. THANK YOU.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S.

I THINK MY BEST OPINION IS TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE HORSE'S MOUTH, SO TO SPEAK.

THEN. THEN YOU'RE THEN HER AGENT.

BUT. QUESTION IF, IF, LET'S SAY, IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, 15 YEARS, WE'RE ABLE TO FINALLY EXTEND VALDERAS DOWN WITH CURB AND GUTTER ELEVATION WISE, HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR THIS SUBDIVISION OR FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT? ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT, LIKE, THE ELEVATION DROP OFF FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROAD TO THE PARKING LOT? YEAH, I'M THINKING OF CROSSING AS AN ISSUE, AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A REPEAT OF CROSSING.

I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU.

I THINK THE DROP OFF IS ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF FROM THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT TO THE PARKING LOT, SO.

OKAY. AND WITH THIS COVER.

IS A SLOPE TO GO BACK, THE DRAINAGE TO GO BACK TO VALDEZ AND DOWN THE DITCH.

CORRECT? YES.

WHICH WAY IS IT GOING? IS IT GOING TO GO BACK TO HENDERSON?

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YES. SO THE PARKING LOT THAT'S THERE WILL BE DRAINING INTO THE INLETS THAT ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF VALDERAS.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME PORTIONS OF BEHIND THE NEW BUILDING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOME AREA GRADES, AND THAT'S GOING TO DRAIN TOWARDS THE DETENTION POND THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S GOING TO DRAIN INTO THE HENDERSON ROAD DITCH.

OKAY? AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FLOOD THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THERE? NO, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE.

YOU'RE PUTTING THE DRAINS IN THE BACK TO FLOW BACK.

CORRECT? YES.

OKAY. WHAT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION? ESPECIALLY CREATING THAT NEW DRIVE.

WHAT KIND OF BACKUPS WOULD WE EXPECT? HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE TO CONSTRUCT TO ADD THAT ENTRANCE ONTO BOULDERS? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT.

BUT, I MEAN, WE WOULD EXPECT AT LEAST SOME DISRUPTION OF TRAFFIC FLOW.

CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

TO DO THE THE PAVEMENT HEADER.

THE BENEFIT THAT CHRISTIE HAS WITH THIS PROPERTY, SHE OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT SELLS.

SO A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION CAN BE STAGED ON THE TRIPOLI SUBDIVISION.

AND WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACTUALLY DO THE TIE IN ON BOUNDARY STREET, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE LIMITED TO 1 OR 2 DAYS, YOU KNOW, BUT SHE'S GOT THE ROOM FOR A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND DO THE WORK AND NOT ACTUALLY OBSTRUCT THE ROAD.

SHE THE CONTRACTORS CAN SIT ON THE ABANDONED, BUT THE THE UNUTILIZED PROPERTY AND WORK, I GUESS WEST INSTEAD OF SITTING ON THE ROAD OR HAVING TO BE ACROSS THE STREET OR SOMETHING.

CORRECT? WISH I GOT TO ASK THE LADY WHAT THE THE OTHER BUILDING PREDOMINANTLY WILL BE USED FOR IF SHE'S NOT EXPANDING HER CAPACITY.

STORAGE. OR ALSO THE.

THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE WHEN THEY HAVE THE AFTER SCHOOL KID PICK UP.

INSTEAD OF HAVING THE KIDS GATHER IN THE MAIN BUILDING, THEY WILL GATHER IN THE THE NEW BUILDING.

AND THAT NEW BUILDING WILL HAVE FOUR ROOMS FOR THE FOR THE AFTER SCHOOL BOARDERS.

AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ALL IN THAT ONE STORY BUILDING, CORRECT? WHAT IS THE CAPACITY? OTIS IS 70.

DO YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF CHILDREN? I THINK THAT'S UNDER HER CURRENT LICENSE.

WHAT SHE HAS NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DETERMINE THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT. YES, YES.

ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SECOND CALL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR APPROVAL OF THE SUP.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ONCE CONSTRUCTION STARTS TO END? WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING THE THE PLAN AND THE PLANS.

SURE. WE'RE UNDER THE FIRST REVIEW, BUT WE KNOW SUMMERTIME.

SCHOOL'S OUT. I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER, BUT I KNOW, I MEAN, WE'LL BE COMING BACK HERE WITH THE PLAN AND PLANS.

YOU KNOW, I CAN HAVE CHRISTIE COME AND GIVE HER PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT HER PLANS ARE IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE.

PREFERABLY IF WE CAN. LET'S AVOID SCHOOL TIME IF WE CAN GET MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THE HEAVY STUFF DONE IN SUMMER.

OKAY. SINCE THAT IS A THAT IS A BUS ROUTE.

SO. OKAY.

OKAY. GIVE ME TO THE HIGH SCHOOL DOWN THERE.

SARAH IS PRETTY ROUGH AT TIMES.

BUT WE ALL KNOW THE INTERSECTION THERE IS.

RANCHO ALREADY HAS A PROBLEM INSIDE THERE WITH THE RANCHO ITSELF.

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THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

DON'T WANT TO CAUSE MORE OF A PROBLEM OUTSIDE OF IT.

SO JUST A REMINDER BEFORE YOU CALL FOR THE VOTE THAT THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THE RECOMMENDED ACTION AND THAT THE VOTE IS ON TWO THINGS THE ZONING CHANGE WITH AN SUP. OKAY, AS STATED AT READING THE AGENDA ITEM.

CORRECT. I WAS YOU'RE APPROVING WHAT'S POSTED.

PERFECT. LET'S RECOMMENDED ACTION.

THAT'S IN THE AGENDA. YEAH.

CORRECT. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.

CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HERE WE GO.

THANK YOU. REGULAR AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

[4. Update, discussion and possible action on General Commercial Zoning District use regulations as presented by the Development Services Department. ]

UPDATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT USE REGULATIONS AS PRESENTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

OTIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS IS JUST A BRIEF CONVERSATION THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WITH YOU REGARDING A REQUEST TO LOOK AT OUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND HIGHLIGHT SOME ISSUES IN TERMS OF THOSE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED.

DISCUSS WITH YOU SOME COMPATIBILITY CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS, AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE DISTRICT.

THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL DISTRICT, AS YOU KNOW, IS TYPICALLY ALLOWED, ALLOWING FOR YOUR ANY TYPE OF RETAIL RESTAURANT.

OFFICE USES UNITED IT.

BUT HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME USES THAT REQUIRE A LARGE AMOUNT OF STORAGE.

CURRENTLY OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS TABLE REAL QUICKLY HERE.

RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN WHICH I PROVIDED YOU.

BUT COLTON WILL HELP ME SORT OF ROLL THIS.

AND IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, YOU WANT US TO STOP, PLEASE SAY SO.

OTHERWISE, I'LL FOCUS ON WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED.

SO IF YOU WOULD JUST ROLL DOWN COLTON ONE OF THE FIRST USES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT WOULD BE MANY WAREHOUSE STORAGE. MANY WAREHOUSE STORAGE IS PERMITTED IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL DISTRICT.

TYPICALLY, IN CITIES WHERE I'VE WORKED, MANY STORAGE WAREHOUSING IS ALLOWED IN THE I INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TYPICALLY THERE ARE SPECIFIC USES OR SPECIFIC USE APPROVAL.

THAT WAY IF IT'S ABUTTING THOSE USES THAT ARE NOT TYPICALLY COMPATIBLE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THOSE CONCERNS, DEAL WITH ACCESS MANAGEMENT, DEAL WITH CONCERNS IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD ABUT THOSE DISTRICTS.

I'M JUST GOING TO ROLL TO THE OTHER ONES, AND THEN WE CAN BACK UP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

ROLLING DOWN FURTHER, IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE USES IN CG THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN WOULD BE HELIPORTS AND HELLA STOPS ARE TYPICALLY ALLOWED AS A SPECIFIC USE, AS YOU SEE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND ARE PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL, WHICH I THINK IS FAIR.

HOWEVER, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ENHANCE THIS BY PUTTING IT ALSO IN THE OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, SUCH AS MIXED USE CBD, YOU MIGHT HAVE A HOSPITAL OR COUNTY FACILITY WHERE A HELIPORT IS NECESSARY.

I THINK THEY'RE REGULATED IN TERMS OF WHAT'S ALLOWED.

BUT HOWEVER, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.

WE'LL TAKE NOTES AND FORWARD THIS FOR FUTURE TEXT AMENDMENT.

MOVING FURTHER DOWN, TRANSFER STATIONS, REFUSE PICKUP.

WE HAVE SITUATIONS IN THE CITY WHERE RECYCLING FACILITIES ARE PERMITTED IN CG.

THEY HAVE A VAST AMOUNT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE.

BASICALLY, THAT'S WHAT THE USE IS.

IT DOES REQUIRE SCREENING.

BUT HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT THE MOST DESIRABLE USE TO BE LOCATED IN CG GENERAL COMMERCIAL, TYPICALLY IN CITIES, THOSE ARE ALSO BY RIGHT AND ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER EITHER TAKING IT OUT OF COMMERCIAL GENERAL OR APPLYING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE CURRENT SITUATIONS.

AND WE'LL TALK FURTHER ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS ON THAT.

MICROBREWERY IS AN UP AND COMING USE.

I THINK THAT IT'S SEEN IN A LOT OF USES AND CITIES THEY ARE TYPICALLY ALLOWED AS SPECIFIC USE IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TYPICALLY BECAUSE IT'S A FORM OF MANUFACTURING.

BUT HOWEVER, IT'S ALSO A FORM OF RESTAURANT.

SO YOU SORT OF HAVE A COMBINATION OF BOTH AND THEN OUTSIDE STORAGE.

THE CODE BASICALLY PERMITS THAT ANYTHING OVER 25% BECOMES AN ISSUE.

SO HERE WE'RE REQUESTING YOU TO CONSIDER FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, KEEP IT A SPECIFIC USE AND ALLOWED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

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LAST TABLE THERE WOULD ROLL DOWN WOULD BE OTHER USES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER AROUND NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THESE PARTICULAR USES.

COMPOSTING FACILITIES IS NOT LISTED IN THE CODE, BUT HOWEVER IT'S A FORM OF LANDFILL.

NOT SAYING WE WILL HAVE FUTURE LANDFILLS, BUT WE DO HAVE AREAS WHERE IT MAY BE A MATTER OF CONCERN.

THAT WAY WE WOULD DEVELOP SOME MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT COULD BE APPLIED CONSTRUCTION, SALES AND SERVICE.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY CONTRACTED ENTERPRISE USES THAT HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT.

LARGE COMMERCIAL TRACTORS AND SUPPLIES.

THOSE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER AS A SPECIFIC USE IN YOUR COMMERCIAL GENERAL AREA.

GUN AND FIRING RANGES, TYPICALLY INDOOR.

YOU FIND THOSE IN YOUR COMMERCIAL GENERAL AREAS, BUT WHERE THEY'RE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL, YOU MIGHT WANT THEM TO BE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

SALVAGE YARDS CAN BE A CONCERN, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED TYPICALLY IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT'S ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL GENERAL.

AND THAT DEALS WITH LARGE TRUCKING AND EQUIPMENT RENTAL, OF WHICH I JUST DESCRIBED.

AND THEN KENNELS AND SOME OF THE USES WITH THE DOG RUNS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

YOU WANT TO CONSIDER MAKING THOSE SPECIFIC USES IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.

AUTO BODY AND COLLISION REPAIR IS TYPICALLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN MOST CITIES I'VE WORKED, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT BEING A SPECIFIC USE IN SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS PARK RIDE FACILITIES.

IT'S NOT A MAJOR ISSUE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED IN THE CODE, AND SUBSTATIONS ARE TYPICALLY SPECIFIC USES IN MOST OF YOUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.

HOWEVER, SOMETIMES THEY ARE NECESSARY FROM A PUBLIC UTILITY PERSPECTIVE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING AS A DISCUSSION.

AND WE'LL ACCEPT ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE AND WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU POSSIBLE TEXT AMENDMENTS IF YOU SO DIRECT US.

I LIKE IT, OTIS.

I'M GLAD WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS AND GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF IT BEFORE IT'S STEAM ROLLS US.

ONE, WE DID TALK ABOUT DAYCARES.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT A SPECIFIC USE IN ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL GENERAL DISTRICTS, THAT'S FINE.

HOWEVER, MOST CITIES WOULD REQUEST THEM TO BE SPECIFIC USES WHEN THEY ARE IN MIXED USE COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS WHERE YOU HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL.

IF ONE GOES BEFORE THE OTHER, IT WILL DICTATE WHAT CAN GO INTO THAT SHOPPING CENTER, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT US TO PUT SOME ATTENTION TO.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY, WE MAY WANT TO WORK ON CERTAIN PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WOULD TRIGGER A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IN OUR SENSITIVE AREAS, AND WE CAN TRY TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

I THINK THESE CHANGES WILL GO A LONG WAYS INTO FIXING THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD INSIDE OF OUR CITY, WHERE COMMERCIAL GENERAL IS OFTEN USED AS A CATCH ALL, AND THEN IT ALLOWS A LOT OF THINGS TO GO INTO IT.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME STUFF ON THE HORIZON THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE IMPACTED HERE, TOO.

SO THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THUMBS UP.

MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TEXT. AMENDMENT TWO THUMBS UP.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR PLEASE PROVIDE US THROUGH CITY MANAGER CHRIS WITH ANY THINGS YOU WANT TO ADD.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU SEE THESE SOON.

ARE YOU BRINGING THESE TO US? BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THESE OR IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN THESE ARE MATTER OF CONCERNS REQUESTED OF THE DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT AND BRING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR JUST DISCUSSION AND WORK WORKSHOP.

AT FIRST, JUST SOME IN-HOUSE CLEANUP IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

EXACTLY. YOU'LL GET THESE ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT I THINK IT'S A PRIORITY BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING REQUESTS THAT CONFLICT WITH THESE.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS.

WE'RE GETTING REQUESTS.

BUT I WAS ASKED TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AS A MATTER FOR DISCUSSION.

I ASKED SPECIFICALLY, YES, SIR.

ARE YOU BEING REQUESTED BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME IN AND DO THIS STUFF? BOTH. YES, SIR.

I WOULD SAY I AM INTERESTED IN THE DAYCARE EXPANDING THAT TO LOOK AT THE OTHER USES. SPECIFICALLY, I, I SEE THE CONCERNS YOU'VE RAISED, SO I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE TO EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE MORE.

OKAY. SO WHAT KIND OF GUIDANCE YOU CAN PROVIDE? YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES, SO YES, WE'LL BRING THOSE COMPARISONS BACK TO YOU AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY ANGLETON ANGLETON, WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT OTHER CITIES DO, BUT IT IS A GOOD WAY TO LEARN, I THINK, FROM WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO.

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SO. WHAT KIND OF JUMPED OUT OF ME IS LIKE, WHERE DO YOU STOP? I THINK IT'S ONGOING.

4000 USE ITEMS, AND THEN SOMEBODY WILL COME IN AND SAY, WELL, I WANT TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES IT END? YOU'RE CORRECT. AND THE CODE, WHERE DOES IT START TO BECOMING GOVERNMENT OVERREACH? WELL, I'LL LET YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

YEAH, THAT AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, WE GET USES THAT NO ONE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT AND YOU CAN'T BE PREPARED FOR IT.

SO TEXT AMENDMENTS I THINK GO THROUGH THIS.

IT SEEMS LIKE, SURE ENOUGH, YOU'RE GOING TO REGULATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN TRIM SOMEBODY'S DOG TAILS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? SOME OF THESE YOU MAY NOT WANT AS A PRIORITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. FEEDBACK.

EXIT OUT. HEY, WE WON'T EVEN BRING IT BACK.

I THINK THE ONES YOU LISTED ARE A GREAT START.

ANYBODY ELSE COMMENTS.

SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK FOR FURTHER REFINEMENT AND ACTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE UPDATE DISCUSSION ON THE COURTHOUSE EXPANSION AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS SURROUNDING THE COURTHOUSE.

[5. Update and discussion on the courthouse expansion and road improvements surrounding the courthouse.]

WHO WANTS TO START WITH THAT ONE BEFORE WE CALL IT MR. HANKS? OR WE JUST WANT TO CALL MR..

I'LL JUST START.

OKAY. YOU ALL ASKED FOR UPDATES ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE EXPANSION TIMELINES AND ALSO YOU KNOW, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND ROAD DEGRADATION, DEGRADATION BASED ON CONSTRUCTION.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ON AND OFF A LITTLE BIT.

AND JUST JUST LOOKING FOR AN UPDATE AND APPRECIATE MATT COMING OUT TO GIVE US THAT UPDATE.

GREAT. HEY, MATT, YOU WANT TO COME UP? ABSOLUTELY. GOOD EVENING.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO SHARE ABOUT OUR COURTHOUSE PROJECT.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT, FOR KAREN AND MYSELF, KAREN MACKINNON, ONE OF THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ENGINEERS HERE WITH ME.

IT'S IT'S A VERY FULFILLING PROJECT TO BE A PART OF.

YOU DON'T GET TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN.

SO IT'S A REAL LANDMARK TYPE OF PROJECT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK COURTHOUSE UPDATE, I CAN IF YOU ALL HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

AND THEN I THINK, LET'S GET INTO THE TWO SUBJECTS.

I THINK YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO TALK ABOUT A LOT MORE, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE AT THE TOP OF OUR LIST AS WELL.

SO JUST A QUICK COURTHOUSE UPDATE.

THE ADMIN BUILDING GOT FINISHED.

WE'VE OCCUPIED THE ADMIN BUILDING.

WE ARE UTILIZING IT PRETTY MUCH AS INTENDED, EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST FLOOR HAS SOME TEMPORARY COURTROOMS IN IT.

WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF EXPANDING THE COURTHOUSE ITSELF, OR WHAT WE CALL THE JUSTICE CENTER, AND REMODELING THE 1976 SPACE THAT THE PART OF THE JUSTICE CENTER THAT SHOULD LAST FOR ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR.

ABOUT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, WE SHOULD BE WRAPPING THAT UP.

THEN WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK IN THE ADMIN BUILDING AND REMODEL THE FIRST FLOOR WHERE WE'VE GOT THOSE TEMPORARY COURTS.

TURN THAT BACK INTO SEVERAL OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT HOUSED THERE, MAINLY THE TAX OFFICE, WHICH IS OVER IN THE ANNEX WITH ME.

AND THEN WE'LL BE THEN ONCE WE CHANGE THE OR REMODEL THE FIRST FLOOR, THE BRAND NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO, OR WE WILL BE DOING SOME REMODELING OF THE ANNEX, THE WEST ANNEX NEXT TO THE COURTHOUSE.

THAT AMOUNT OF REMODELING IN THERE IS GOING TO BE VERY DEPENDENT ABOUT FUNDS AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WE KNOW WE NEED TO REMODEL THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING.

AND THE FACT THE TAX OFFICE IS MOVING OUT, LIBRARIES MOVING BACK IN, THE FIRE MARSHAL IS GOING TO MOVE INTO THAT BUILDING, AND WE'RE GOING TO REARRANGE THERE'S A FAMILY COURT THAT MEETS IN THAT BUILDING AS WELL.

WE'RE GOING TO REARRANGE IT TO ONE END OF THE BUILDING SO THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE, AND NOT THE SAME PUBLIC ENTRANCE THAT THE PUBLIC REGULARLY COMES IN AND OUT OF. SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR GENERAL COURTHOUSE PROJECT, VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL.

LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'LL HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.

THE EOC PARKING LOT, WHICH ALL APPROVED.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THAT'S ACTUALLY WE HAVE LET THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT SPALL GLASS IS CLEANING OFF THAT SITE FOR US RIGHT NOW, AND YOU OUGHT TO SEE THE CONTRACTOR MOBILIZE IN THERE PRETTY SOON, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, ACTUALLY.

SEE THAT GET STARTED.

WHICH LEADS ME TO THE TWO SUBJECTS I WOULD THINK YOU ALL REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

AND ONE IS PARKING.

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TO ME, SOME OF THE PARKING IS AN EXTREME CHALLENGE AROUND THE COURTHOUSE.

AND THEN NUMBER TWO, THE STREETS.

RIGHT. WE'RE NOT LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPER, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE HELD TO ANY OTHER, OR THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY LESS EXPECTATION OF THE COUNTY THAT Y'ALL WOULD PROBABLY HAVE FOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPER WORKING IN THE CITY.

SO LET ME KIND OF WALK THROUGH BOTH THOSE SUBJECTS INDIVIDUALLY.

PARKING. WE DO KNOW PARKING AS A CHALLENGE.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT ON AND I ACTUALLY TALKED TO CHRIS RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED THAT KAREN AND I HAVE WORKED OR KAREN REALLY GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE. KAREN'S WORKED UP A KIND OF A RESTRIPING PLAN ON SOME OF THE STREET PARKING AND AREAS THAT MIGHT.

WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER NO PARKING AND WANT TO COME VISIT WITH STAFF ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE YOU ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE ACTION ON THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO COME TO THAT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT AREN'T REAL HAPPY ABOUT THE PARKING.

WE HEAR THAT TOO.

AND SO WE'RE JUST WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE WE REALIZE THAT PARKING IS COURTHOUSE PARKING.

SECOND THING Y'ALL PROBABLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND GO INTO THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS.

THE COURTHOUSE PROJECT HAS TAKEN ITS TOLL ON SOME OF THE STREETS LEADING TO THE COURTHOUSE.

I DON'T WANT TO LIST THEM BECAUSE I'LL LEAVE ONE OFF.

WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

THE COUNTY, WHEN WE HAVE HAD DEVELOPERS OR CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE HAD EXTENDED USES OF COUNTY ROADS, HAS MADE THAT DEVELOPER FIX AND IMPROVE THE ROAD, WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT.

WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THIS PROJECT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME NOT I DON'T WANT TO SAY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD, BUT RETURNING THOSE ROAD TO AN AS GOOD, IF NOT BETTER CONDITION THAN WHAT? WE FOUND THEM IN BEFORE WE STARTED THIS PROJECT.

SO I KNOW OUR COURT WANTS US TO DO THAT.

WE'RE BEHIND DOING IT.

WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? THAT PROBABLY ENTAILS SOME BASE REPAIR BECAUSE THERE'S SOME BASE FAILURES FROM SOME OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND HEAVY LOADS WE'VE BROUGHT IN AND OUT, AND THEN EVENTUALLY PROBABLY AN OVERLAY OF OF THOSE ROADS.

BUT WE'LL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF.

I'LL COME BACK AS WE GET TO THAT POINT AND GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE OF WHAT WE PLAN TO DO, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BUY IN FROM THE CITY.

WE'RE ONCE AGAIN, WE KNOW WE'RE IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU GUYS AS FAR AS THESE ARE Y'ALL'S ROADS, BUT WE'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE PUT THE HEAVY USE ON THEM AND WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO OUR PART.

SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE.

I JUST ASK THAT Y'ALL STAY A LITTLE PATIENT WITH US.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR OF HEAVY CONSTRUCTION.

WE'LL CONTINUE.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME REPAIRS TO THE ROADS.

WE WE KNOW PROBABLY IN THAT YEAR SOME OTHER INTERMITTENT INTERMITTENT REPAIRS WILL BE NEEDED TO THOSE ROADS BEFORE WE COME IN AND DO THE ULTIMATE REPAIR. RIGHT.

SO AND OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU ALL TO ASK QUESTIONS, GRILL ME ALL YOU WANT TO.

I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WAS REALLY, YOU JUST MENTIONED MOVING THE TAX OFFICE OUT OF THE WEST ANNEX.

WHERE'S THAT GOING TO GO? IT'S GOING TO GO IN THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE ADMIN BUILDING.

SO CURRENTLY WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE TEMPORARY COURTS, IT WILL BE OVER THERE.

IN FACT YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WE WALKED OFF WITH BARRICADES.

YEAH. THAT'S OUR OH THERE YOU GO OFF OF LIVE OAK DRIVE THROUGH.

THAT'S THAT'S WHY I HAVE KAREN WITH ME.

SHE'S SMARTER THAN I AM.

SHE CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, BUT.

YOU'RE A SMART MAN. YEAH.

THE OTHER ONE IS IT? I'M SAD TO HEAR IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION.

HEAVY CONSTRUCTION ON THOSE ROADS.

I KNOW YOU'RE PATCHING IT, BUT THE PATCHING AND THE PATCHING AND THE PATCHING AND THE PATCHING, IT'S IT'S ALMOST COBBLESTONE OVER THERE IN SOME PLACES.

WELL, AND BE HONEST WITH YOU, ONCE WE GET, I GUESS MAYBE I WANT TO BE.

MAYBE I'VE OVERSTATED IT'S GOING TO BE OR HAVE A YEAR OF HEAVY CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE JUSTICE CENTER TO BE DONE ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW.

WE'VE BEEN BRINGING.

BUT EVENTUALLY, ONCE WE GET IT DRIED IN, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT AS MUCH HEAVY TRAFFIC.

SO WE CAN MAYBE START TALKING ABOUT IT AT THAT POINT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME MONEY IN MY BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR DOING SOME ROAD MAINTENANCE AROUND THE COURTHOUSE.

AND YEAH, IF I CAN DO SOME OF IT THIS YEAR, IT EVEN BE BETTER, RIGHT? WOULD YOU? I'D PROBABLY PUT IT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TOO.

RIGHT. BECAUSE ANYWAY, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN ME AND TELL ME WHAT THAT BUDGET AMOUNT IS? I IN ALL HONESTY, MAYOR, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT I DON'T MIND.

I'LL EMAIL IT TO YOU.

YEAH. BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS THE PLAN FROM THE COUNTY SIDE IS JUST GO IN, DO BASE REPAIR AND OVERLAY IT, PUT IT BACK IN. WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS PUT IT BACK IN THE CONDITION IT WAS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION.

BEFORE AS GOOD OR BETTER.

RIGHT. THAT'S THE STANDARD.

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BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES OVER THERE, AND WE ARE VERY AWARE OF THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PARKING ISSUES, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.

I'M NOT SURE CONTINUING TO OVERLAY MIGHT BE THE THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION, BUT NOT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION.

WHEN YOU SAY OVERLAY, WOULD YOU BE GOING FROM 274 BACK TO ARCOLA? LIKE IF WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LOCUS, LOCUS AND SPECIFIC.

YEAH, WHAT I WOULD ACTUALLY ANTICIPATE, BECAUSE WE'VE PRETTY MUCH AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE THREE CITY BLOCKS FROM LOOP TO THERE, I THINK WE'VE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE BECAUSE OF OUR CONSTRUCTION. CORRECT.

AND I THINK EVEN THAT THAT CENTER BLOCK, RIGHT BETWEEN 288 BUSINESS AND.

ABSOLUTELY. AND SHENANGO HAS SOME PROBABLY NOT AS SUBSTANTIAL AS THE OTHER TWO, BUT SOME AND WE KNOW PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL HAVE WE'LL TEAR UP THE REST. SO WHERE ALL THREE SO WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE, WE'VE BECOME THE COUNTY HAS BECOME VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT RAISING THE PROFILE OF ROADS OVERALL.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO JUST WHEN WE SAY AN OVERLAY, I NEVER WANT TO COME IN AND SAY, OH, I'M GOING TO SLAP TWO INCHES ON TOP OF THIS, RIGHT? AND JUST MAKE THAT CROWN EVEN WORSE AND MAKE THAT PROFILE GO UP.

WE'LL COME IN.

LIKE I SAID, THERE'S GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST ON THAT ROAD, SOME SUBSTANTIAL BASE REPAIR AND THEN PROBABLY HAVE TO MILL SOME OF IT OFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST SLAP MORE ASPHALT ON TOP OF IT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO A KIND OF ITS ORIGINAL PROFILE, KIND OF IN YOUR DEFENSE THAT YOU'VE GOT YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR ULTIMATE DECISION YET BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TORN STREET UP.

THAT'S RIGHT. AS BAD AS YOU CAN TELL, I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T DONE MY.

A LITTLE DAMAGE YET.

JUST HANG ON. WE'LL PROBABLY MAKE IT WORSE.

THE GOOD PART. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH YOUR CITY STAFF.

CITY ENGINEER, THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THAT A CURB AND GUTTER? YOU KNOW, LOCUST, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FRONT OF OUR COURTHOUSE COMPLEX, TOO.

WHAT? WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE TO MAKE THAT A CURB AND GUTTER? I KNOW THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS.

THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES WITH DOING THAT.

I CAN'T GO IN THERE.

AND JOHN COULD PROBABLY SAY THIS MORE THAN I CAN.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE WORDS OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

IT GO IN THERE AND ACTUALLY DEPRESS THAT STREET WITHOUT GETTING SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS DONE ALONG WITH THAT.

BECAUSE WHILE I CAN IMPROVE DRAINAGE ALONG THE ROAD AS PART OF A ROAD PROJECT, ULTIMATELY IF IT HAS NOWHERE TO GO, I HAVEN'T FIXED ANYTHING.

AND IF I'M DEPRESSING THAT TO MAKE IT A CURB AND GUTTER, I'M GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE.

SO UNTIL WE FIX THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE.

AT LEAST I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE.

THERE YOU GO. JUST CURIOSITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT I'M CURIOUS.

SO ON LOCUST THERE ARE DIRECTLY FROM ACROSS FROM THE HISTORICAL WHATEVER 1940 WHATEVER 1940, THE 1940S SOMETHING.

OKAY. WELL, DIRECTLY ACROSS IT, I THINK THERE'S FOUR BUSINESSES.

YES, THERE'S THREE ATTORNEYS OFFICES AND A CAFE CAFE OR A LATE NUTRITION WHICH SELLS DRINKS AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S, I WOULD ASSUME, PRIVATE PROPERTY.

EVERYTHING ELSE BASICALLY AROUND THAT IS PUBLIC PROPERTY.

IF YOU WERE TO FIX LOCUST, WHICH I THINK IS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE DRAINAGE, I'VE WITNESSED THE DRAINAGE I CAN.

TESTIFY THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE RAIN EVENTS HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT HAVE LED TO SEVERE FLOODING.

BUT THERE ARE PRIVATE PROPERTIES ALONG THAT.

AND ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT TAKING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TO IMPROVE BECAUSE THAT'S USED FOR PARKING PUBLIC? THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO PULL UP TO LATE NUTRITION, YOU ARE PULLING UP INTO A CALICHE TYPE ROAD OR PARKING LOT.

SAME THING WITH IT'S IT'S A REALLY ODD DESIGN IN FRONT OF THOSE LAWYERS OFFICES WHERE THERE'S A, THERE IS A CURVE, BUT IT'S ALSO GRASS GROWN AND THERE'S PARALLEL PARKING GOING ON.

AND I THINK THAT'S PUBLIC ACCESS, WHICH, AGAIN, IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PARKING THAT'S GOING ON IN FRONT OF NUTRITION, WHICH IS YOU PULL DIRECTLY IN AS OPPOSED TO THE PARALLEL PARKING. ANYWAY.

THINKS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME UNIFORMITY THERE LIKE THAT WOULD.

BUT BUT ALSO IT MAY COME SOME COST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO'S WHOSE PROPERTY WE'RE INFRINGING ON.

YOU KNOW, WHOSE PROPERTY ARE WE TAKING TO WIDEN THAT ROAD.

SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT OR TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ON SHENANGO.

YOU KNOW YOU'RE CLOSE.

SHENANGO BETWEEN CEDAR AND AND WHAT LOCUST WHAT CONDITION.

WHAT WHAT ARE YOU PUTTING BACK UNDERNEATH THERE.

ARE YOU GOING TO. WE ARE GOING IN.

SO WE CUT OFF SECTION THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE SKY, WHAT WE CALL THE SKY BRIDGE BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY NEAT NAMES FOR IT.

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THAT IS ALL CONCRETE.

SO IT WILL BE CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER.

AND. I KNOW THAT'S ORIGINAL WITH THIS.

I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE A CITY STREET.

NO, IT'S IT'S A LOT OF PARKING.

LIKE A PARKING LOT. IT'S A CITY STREET.

AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE.

SO PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THAT THAT SECTION OF SHENANGO, LIKE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS, IS ARCOLA AND WHERE LOCUST DRAINS TO ARCOLA.

THAT PART OF SHENANGO NOW I'M I'M I HADN'T SEEN A RAIN EVENT LIKE WE HAD.

WHAT WAS THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO? YEAH. BEFORE WE DID THE PROJECT.

BUT I LIKE THAT WAS BASICALLY THE HIGH POINT, RIGHT, TO WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE AS BIG OF DRAINAGE ISSUES AS I THINK YOU SEE ON ARCOLA.

NOW, I'M TALKING A LITTLE BIT OF IGNORANCE ON THAT ONE, BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE ALL LIVED HERE A LOT LONGER THAN, WELL, I DON'T LIVE IN ANGLETON, BUT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN AROUND ANGLETON A LOT LONGER, BUT I THINK THAT DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE DRAINAGE CHALLENGES THAT ARCOLA AND LOCUST HAVE.

FROM WHERE WE CLOSED IT OFF.

SO IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO GO IN THERE WITH CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER.

PLUS, WE DIDN'T REALLY DEPRESS THAT SECTION A WHOLE LOT.

I'M GOING TO GET OFF TOPIC JUST FOR A MOMENT, BUT IT'S THAT SPECIFIC.

THE OLD IT OFFICE.

THE OLD, I GUESS. I THINK IT'S ABANDONED.

THAT'S COMING DOWN. OKAY.

THAT'S MY QUESTION. IS THERE PARKING GOING THERE.

NO. SO WE WERE GOING TO TAKE THAT BACK AND JUST MAKE IT GREEN SPACE AGAIN.

BUT THAT IS THAT I LEFT THAT OUT OF MY COURTHOUSE.

UPDATE. THE THE CONTRACTOR IS ALREADY STARTED THE DEMOLITION OF THAT BUILDING.

OKAY. SAD TO SEE THAT.

HISTORICAL. GROWING UP HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS SAW IT, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THE THE LITTLE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT THE THE RAMP, WE USE IT AS STORAGE.

YOU KNOW, THAT LITTLE ARMORY TYPE OF BUILDING RIGHT THERE BESIDE THE MUSEUM? YES. THE ARCHITECTS ORIGINALLY WANTED TO KNOCK THAT DOWN, AND WE WE KIND OF SAID, NO, WE CAN'T KNOCK THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY USE IT AS STORAGE.

IT'S OUR PERSONAL STORAGE UNIT.

WE WEREN'T BUILDING THE ELEVATED FLOOR.

YEAH. THE BOOKMOBILE USED TO BACK UP TO THAT THING.

I THINK THERE WAS A BOOKSTORE.

IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS, MAN, IF YOU WILL.

YES, SIR. I'VE NOTICED ALONG ARCOLA, BETWEEN CEDAR STREET AND LIVE LIVE OAK, PEOPLE HAVE BEGUN TO MAKE THAT A PARKING AREA PARALLEL ON THE DIRT OVER THERE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS INTENDED WHEN THEY BUILT THAT.

BUT THAT'S.

YOU'RE NOT THE POLICEMAN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU GET BETWEEN LIVE OAK AND LOCUST.

SO FROM THE TIME I MOVED HERE AND STARTED WORKING IN 74, THAT WAS ALL DIAGONAL PARKING THROUGH THERE, AND I WAITED ACROSS ARCOLA STREET A NUMBER OF TIMES TO GET TO MY OFFICE AND GET TO THE OFFICE.

SOMETIMES KNEE DEEP, SOMETIMES.

SO I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE RAIN EVENTS COME THROUGH THERE.

THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS, THAT PART OF TOWN.

BUT YOU MIGHT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER GOING BACK WITH DIAGONAL PARKING TO GET YOU SOME MORE.

MORE. I KNOW IT'S IT'S TOUGH PARKING OUT OF THERE, PULLING OUT, BUT YOU'LL GAIN SOME SPACES.

SO I SEE SO.

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.

YOU AND KAREN ARE OBVIOUSLY THE GREAT MINDS.

RIGHT. BECAUSE SHE CAME TO ME.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT SHE'S GOT WITH HER.

SHE BROUGHT IT JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VISITING WITH YOUR STAFF ABOUT.

THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DIAGONAL PARKING.

WE THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO DIAGONAL PARKING.

RIGHT NOW. WE KIND OF HAVE A FREE FOR ALL ON PARALLEL PARKING.

PEOPLE ARE PARKING TOO CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAYS.

THEY'RE PARKING TOO CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCES INTO OUR PARKING LOTS.

IT'S IT'S KIND OF THE WILD WEST PARKING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GO IN THERE AND RESTRIPE THAT DIAGONAL PARKING, PROBABLY BOTH IN THE TEMPORARY SHORTLY.

AND THEN EVEN ONCE WE GO IN THERE AND DO ANY ROAD REPAIRS, COME BACK AND DO IT LIKE IT WAS.

BUT THE CHALLENGE WITH THOSE DIAGONAL PARKING IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO GAIN PARKING SPOTS WITH IT, BECAUSE TO PUT THAT DIAGONAL PARKING BACK, WE DON'T WANT THE PARALLEL PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE TWO GOOD FREE LANES OF TRAVEL.

AND SO WHILE WE'LL BE GAINING PARKING ON THE COURTHOUSE SIDE OF ARCOLA BY DOING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME OF THAT PARALLEL PARKING.

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SO IN THE END, I THINK IT'S IT'S RIGHT ABOUT A NET ZERO GAIN, BUT IT'S A MUCH TWO THINGS.

I THINK YOU ACCOMPLISHED TWO THINGS BY DOING THAT.

ONE IS YOU KIND OF END THE WILD WEST OF PARKING OUT THERE, RIGHT? IT'S A LOT MORE CONTROLLED BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT WELL ESTABLISHED.

HERE'S WHERE YOU PARK THAT.

YOU DON'T PARK OVER THERE.

AND SECOND, YOU MAKE THOSE RESIDENTS A LOT MORE HAPPY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, LIKE, I KNOW THERE'S AN SUV THAT LIKES TO PARK OVER BETWEEN A FIRE HYDRANT AND A DRIVEWAY, AND HALF THE TIME IT'S IN FRONT OF BOTH, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, WE NEED TO AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON ANYBODY.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING.

WE ALSO FEEL LIKE LIKE WE NEED TO PUT UP SOME WAYFINDING ON COUNTY PARKING.

THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES I DRIVE IN, I SINCE WE STARTED THIS COURTHOUSE, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW PARKING GOING.

I NOW LIKE TO DRIVE BY THE PROJECT EVERY MORNING AND I'LL SEE PEOPLE ALREADY PARKING ON ARCOLA AND ON LOCUST ON THE STREET PARKING. THAT'S NOT REALLY STREET PARKING BECAUSE IT'S NOT STRIPED BOARD OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

YET THE PARKING LOT OVER BY THE ANNEX IS NOT FULL YET.

THERE'S. SO PART OF IT IS WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CREATE SOME WAYFINDING FOR PEOPLE THAT WHERE THESE OTHER PARKING LOTS ARE AT FOR COURTHOUSE PARKING, WE NEED TO PUT SOME SIGNS UP TO SAY NO PARKING IN CERTAIN AREAS.

RIGHT? THEN DO IT.

NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY, BUT DO IT, YOU KNOW, UNIFORMLY.

AND THEN I'VE TALKED TO THE COUNTY JUDGE ABOUT IT.

WE PROBABLY NEED TO SEND SOME EMAILS OUT TO COUNTY STAFF AND INSTRUCT COUNTY STAFF, WHERE'S THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PARK, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WHEN WE GET THE EEOC PARKING LOT BUILT, THE WEST ANNEX EMPLOYEES, AT LEAST ON JURY DAY, NEED TO BE PARKING OVER THERE IN THAT EEOC PARKING LOT AND LEAVING THAT MORE FOR EMPLOYEE EMPLOYEES OF THE JUSTICE CENTER AND EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC TO PARK.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON AS A COUNTY IS, IS A LITTLE BIT OF WAYFINDING FOR THE PUBLIC AND A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION OF OUR OWN STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PARKING WHERE THEY NEED TO BE PARKING.

SO, MAN, I MAKE A MENTAL OR WRITTEN NOTE HERE THAT YOU SAID YOU VOLUNTEERED TO STRIPE ARCOLA FOR US IS THAT I DON'T THINK I DON'T MIND BEING ON RECORD SAYING THAT. I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO COME IN IF WE CAN BUY OFF ON A STRIPING PLAN TO COME IN AND DO SOME STRIPING.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT.

AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHEN WE USED TO DO THINGS.

OUT THERE ON IT USED TO BE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, DIAGONAL PARKING THERE AND DOWN BY THE METHODIST CHURCH, DIAGONAL PARKING THERE.

THEN THE THE BLOCK BETWEEN LOCUST AND MAGNOLIA POSSIBLY COULD DO THE SAME THING.

THAT'S LOOKING FOR PLACES TO PUT PEOPLE, I TELL YOU, I'M TELLING YOU SEE, SOME OF YOU AND KAREN THINK VERY SIMILAR.

SHE'S RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT THERE BETWEEN RIGHT THERE AT THE LOCUST INTERSECTION.

YES, SIR. MY CAR USED TO NOT GETTING WATER IN THE FLOORBOARD, BUT IF I PARKED IN THERE DIAGONALLY, BUT OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE ABLE TO GET WET BECAUSE I'D BE PARKING UP ON THE HIGH SIDE OF THE STREET SO THAT THAT RAIN EVENT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT THAT CAUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF GUARD THAT WEREN'T USED TO PARKING OVER THERE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY REALIZED A LOT OF WATER GOES GOES IN THAT LOCATION.

GOD, I WAS GOING TO THINK I HAD SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, OLD AGE, I'VE FORGOTTEN IT.

SO EOC PARKING, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS DOWN BOTH SIDES? I WANT TO LET KAREN HELP ME OUT WITH THAT WHEN SHE KNOWS THAT PLAN.

VERY SPECIFICALLY. I KNOW WE'RE GOING IN THAT ALLEY AND PAVING PART OF THAT ALLEY.

OKAY. THAT'S CONCRETE.

RIGHT? TO GET TO OUR DRIVEWAY.

THAT'S IN THERE. I KNOW THE JUDGE WANTS ME, WHETHER IT'S IN THE PLAN OR NOT.

THAT'S WHAT I NEED CARING FOR.

BUT EVEN IF IT ISN'T IN THE PLAN, WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE ORDER SOME SIDEWALK TO GET FROM OUR PARKING LOT TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE EOC.

ALSO PARKING ALONG THE FRONT.

AND THERE YOU GO ALONG FRONT SIDEWALK.

FRONT TO CEDAR, FRONT STREET.

TO CEDAR. KAREN, COME ON UP AND TALK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. KAREN LOVES PUBLIC TALK TO SPEAKING ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU KNOW US ALL ON CEDAR STREET.

I BELIEVE ANY SIDEWALK ALONG CEDAR STREET.

YEAH, I BELIEVE IT GOES UP, I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

NOW, IF I SPEAK IT, I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN THERE ALONG FRONT TO THE TO THE INTERSECTION AND THE CEDAR ALONG ALONG OUR BASICALLY HALF OF OUR PROPERTY. WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR PROPERTY? IT'S PHILLIPS PROPERTY.

RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO THE EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY.

YES. JUST ALONG THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY.

OKAY. AND DID YOU PUT A SIDEWALK IN ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE EOC GOING OVER TO THE WEST ANNEX.

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THERE'S ONE IN FRONT OF ALONG FRONT ON THE EOC THERE.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IS THERE'S NO SIDEWALK? FROM THE FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR OF THE EOC TO THE PARKING LOT THERE ABOUT TWO BIT.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK THERE IN THE PARKING LOT TO GO AROUND.

YEAH. BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS A ALREADY A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE EOC BETWEEN THE EOC AND FRONT STREET.

THAT WAS PART OF THAT. WE DID NOT ADD IN FRONT OF WEST ANNEX.

NO, SIR. I'M JUST THINKING OF LONG TERM AND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH ALL THIS.

I HAVE GOOGLE MAPS ALSO ON THE PARKING THAT YOU WANT TO DO, THE DIAGONAL PARKING, I JUST I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT OUT THERE.

YOU'RE NOT MESSING WITH ANYTHING AROUND THE BRIDGE.

CHURCH PARKING.

I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO ASK THE BRIDGE PERSON HERE.

THE BRIDGE CHURCH PERSON HERE.

NO, NO, NO. WELL, WE'RE MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT THE WHOLE SIDE OF ARCOLA BE.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE ANGLE PARKING ON ONE SIDE AND NOT PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO EVEN NOW, TODAY, BRIDGE HAS ANGLED PARKING IN FRONT OF IT, AND PEOPLE PARK ACROSS BECAUSE THEY SEE ANGLE PARKING COMING DOWN.

THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I GUESS I CAN PARK HERE.

AND THEY DO IT. AND IT'S IT'S A VERY THEN THAT BLOCKS THE TRAVEL LANE.

YOU KNOW, IT WAS WHEN YOU HAD THE ANGLE PARKING THERE THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE THE TWO LANES.

BUT THEY ARE AWARE OF I MEAN THEY ARE VERY AWARE.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE DRIVING FORCE.

WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE BRIDGE.

SOUNDS GOOD Y'ALL ALL.

WE GAVE THEM OUR WORD ON SOME THINGS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING.

BUT I THINK EXPLORING NO PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED.

AND BECAUSE IT DOES FORCE BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE.

EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE OF THE PARKING DIAGONALLY ON ARCOLA, IT DOES FORCE A VEHICLE DRIVING SOUTH IN THE RIGHT HAND LANE TO GET OVER INTO THE LEFT HAND LANE. AND JUST.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. I MEAN, YOU HAVE DIAGONAL, SO IT'S NOT I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY WRECKS OR MAYBE THE CHIEF CAN EXPLAIN.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I MEAN, BELIEVE ME, BEING A FATHER OF A NEWLY LEARNED OR LEARNING PERMITTED DRIVER IN WATCHING HER TRY TO GET TO THAT THROUGH THAT START AND THE A A A NORTHBOUND VEHICLE ON ARCOLA IN THAT SAME TIME IT'S YOU CAN SEE DEER AND IT'S LIKE HEADLIGHT.

I MEAN WHY IS IT BIG.

IT'S LIKE WHAT DO I GOT TO DO DAD GET AROUND THIS.

YES, YES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CAN'T RUN INTO THE BACK OF A PARKED CAR.

SO YES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO.

SO BUT ANYWAY I DO THINK WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.

OPEN UP SOME OF THAT SPACE. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, I THINK FOR US TO TO PUT A STRICT ENFORCEMENT ON THE NO PARKING ON THAT SIDE I THE THE PARKING I STARTED TO TRAVEL DOWN THE SIDE STREETS ALSO AND IT'S MORE INTO YOUR RESIDENTS LIKE MAGNOLIA.

I THINK YOU ALL KNOW I LIVE RIGHT THERE THAT MIGHT KNOW YOU.

THEY PARK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THEY PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

THEY PARK IN FRONT OF MY BOAT.

THEY I JUST WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO START CHARGING.

I'VE ACTUALLY STOPPED CARING.

THAT'S WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE DOING IN THE PARKING LOT DRIVEWAY.

SHE'S. NOT FOR FOR FOR.

I GUESS THIS IS REALLY A QUESTION FOR JOHN.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT LOCUST AND I'M LOOKING BETWEEN THE WEST ANNEX AND THE LIGHT GOING BACK TO 288 B OR VELASCO, TWO QUESTIONS. ONE WHEN THE COUNTY CAME IN AND PUT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEIR PARKING LOT ON ONE SIDE AND THE WEST ANNEX, THEY DID CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER ON THE SIDES.

THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PUT DRAINAGE AND CONCRETE ON THAT.

IS THAT WHAT YOUR ASSESSMENT WOULD BE? AND ALSO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTIONS OF VELASCO OR SHENANGO, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THE FULL INTERSECTION AS WELL.

THAT WOULD BE A TECH STOP PORTION AS WELL.

RIGHT. OR WOULD YOU CAN'T JUST CONCRETE LEAVE THEIRS ALONE AND THEN CONCRETE AGAIN.

YOU'D HAVE TO DO IT ALL ONE ONE GROUP RIGHT ON ON MULBERRY.

NO ON ON LOCUST.

ON LOCUST. GOING ACROSS TWO WOULD BE VELASCO.

OKAY. YEAH.

IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COORDINATION WITH THEM ON THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE CONTROLLED BY THEM.

YOU'D WANT TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS BEST OF A TRANSITION AS YOU CAN.

AS FAR AS THE FIRST QUESTION, WITH THE EXISTING CONCRETE CURVES THAT WERE PUT ON THAT ASPHALT STREET, THOSE ARE CALLED MONOLITHIC CURVES, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU PUT A NEW CONCRETE ROAD IN, DEPENDING ON HOW WIDE WE WANT TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, DEPRESSING IT, YOU'D LIKE TO TIE IT ALL IN INTO ONE STRUCTURE.

YOU'D WANT TO TIE IT INTO THE PAVEMENT.

SO YOU'D PROBABLY REMOVE THOSE AND THEN DOWEL INTO YOUR CONCRETE SLAB SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MOVEMENT.

OKAY. BECAUSE IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU'LL HAVE A JOINT THE WHOLE WAY DOWN.

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AND THE ENEMY OF, OF ANY KIND OF PAVING IS ANYWHERE THAT WATER INTRUSION CAN HAPPEN FOR A JOINT.

I CAN SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF PLACES ALONG DOWNING ROAD WHERE THEY LEFT THE CURB THERE AND PUT THE STREET UP THERE, AND IT DOESN'T IT'S A IT'S A HASSLE.

OKAY. DO YOU KNOW JOHN.

WHAT THAT I MEAN WHAT WOULD THIS ENTAIL GOING TO.

IT'S DRAINAGE. OF COURSE, IT'S IT'S CONCRETE.

I MEAN, I'LL I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.

WHAT? I, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD MATT'S HERE.

I'M GLAD JOHN'S HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO FIX THIS ROAD PERMANENTLY.

AND THAT WOULD BE A CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER, WHICH WAS THIS ROAD LOCUST STREET FROM THE LOOP TO TO ARCOLA TO ARCOLA, TYING IT BACK IN RIGHT TO.

YOU ALREADY PUT A CONCRETE AT YOU DIDN'T CURB AND GUTTER, BUT YOU DID CONCRETE ON ARCOLA.

AND SO WE COULD TIE THAT INTERSECTION TOGETHER AND GO BACK TO THE LOOP IF WE HAD THE COUNTY'S PARTICIPATION IN THIS.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ANXIOUS TO FIND OUT WHAT YOUR BUDGET WAS FOR THIS, THAT AND WHAT'S YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ON ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT THE COURT INTENDED THAT BUDGET TO BE IS FOR REPAIRING THE ASPHALT ROADS AROUND THERE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN A CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER, I WOULD NOT SIT UP HERE AND SAY THE COURTS AGAINST IT.

RIGHT. THE COURTS, I THINK, IS FOR IT.

BUT I'D HAVE TO LEAVE IT UP.

I'D HAVE TO HEAR A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE I STOOD UP HERE AND SAY, YEAH, THE COURT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

THAT THAT'LL BE THAT'LL BE SOMETHING.

I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COURT.

I'M SURE YOU ALL WOULD HAVE CONVERSATION WITH THE COURT MEMBERS.

WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT. SO I CAN'T SAY THAT I DON'T MIND SHARING WHAT MY BUDGET IN THE, IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WHAT MY AMOUNT THAT I HAVE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR ASPHALT ROAD.

BUT IF I WENT AND CHANGED SCOPE ON THAT, EVEN IF I, LET'S SAY EVEN IF I SAID, OH, HEY, I'VE GOT HALF A MILLION FOR THIS, IT'S CHANGE IN SCOPE.

I WOULDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT WITHOUT MY COURT BEING ENGAGED IN THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO OVER PROMISE.

YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO OVER PROMISE.

I KNOW WE DID ORIGINALLY ASK THAT QUESTION.

RIGHT. MEANING THAT I THINK CHRIS AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BACK WHEN THE COURTHOUSE WAS FIRST STARTING AND THERE WAS SOME INTEREST TO POSSIBLY PARTICIPATE, BUT I BUT THAT WASN'T IN THIS BUDGET.

THAT'S NOT IN ANY PROPOSED BUDGET.

THAT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE A LOT MORE CONVERSATIONS.

I MEAN, I'D BE CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN SOME SORT OF I KNOW YOU CAN'T WRITE CHECKS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, SO BUT I MEAN, I'D BE INTERESTED IN HAVING ANY SORT OF INPUT ON WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THAT SUBJECT.

AND AND LOOKING AT AND I KNOW IT'D BE A SIZABLE PRICE TAG IF YOU'RE GOING ALL THE WAY FROM THE LOOP TO ARCOLA, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED, AS THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.

AND I THINK I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO, I THINK THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THAT PROJECT.

AND, JOHN, ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR JOHN BECAUSE JOHN, I USED TO WORK TOGETHER A LOT.

THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE ON THAT PROJECT IS DRAINAGE.

WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE DRAINAGE? SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW DO WE FIX THE DRAINAGE ON ARCOLA? I KNOW I'VE LOOKED AT JOHN'S CONCEPT OF TAKING DRAINAGE DOWN TO ARCOLA.

I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC CONCEPT.

I'VE EVEN HE'S HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT.

WE HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING WITH TXDOT.

THE AREA OFFICE HERE IS FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT PROJECT, AND THEY'RE HELPING.

I WANT TO PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY HELPED.

THEY'RE HELPING TRY TO FIND MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT.

SO WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR THAT.

IT'S ON OUR AGENDA ON A MONTHLY BASIS WITH THEM.

I KNOW JOHN'S CONTINUING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM, BECAUSE IF WE CAN GET ARCOLA FIXED FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT, THE I HATE TO SAY THE STREET PROJECTS, STREET PROJECTS ARE ALL EXPENSIVE, BUT IT MAKES IT EASIER.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE JOHN AND I ORIGINALLY JUST TRIED TO COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT STREET PROJECT COST, AND WE NEVER EVEN GOT THAT FAR.

YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOHN.

WE NEVER GOT THAT FAR BECAUSE WE KEPT ON RUNNING INTO WHAT DO WE DO, RIGHT? WE WE CAN'T I CAN'T PUT IT INTO A STORM SEWER AND GET IT OUT ANYWHERE WITH ANY RELIEF.

RIGHT. I'VE GOT TO HAVE RELIEF.

AND I DON'T HAVE THE RELIEF TO GET A STORM SEWER, SO WE COULD DO IT, BUT WE WOULD BE BASICALLY BUILDING A ROAD THAT DOESN'T MEET WHAT WE'D WANT ULTIMATELY.

RIGHT. WE'D BE DOING THIS INTERMITTENT THAT FITS TODAY'S TODAY'S CONDITION WHEN WE REALLY DO THINK MAYBE IT'S FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE IT'S NEXT YEAR, MAYBE IT'S TEN YEARS.

BUT AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIFE OF A CONCRETE ROAD, IT'S NOT THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD.

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I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET ARCOLA.

I DON'T SAY WE, BUT I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A CHANCE THAT WE COULD FIX IT AND THEN GET THE ULTIMATE STREET.

WE WANT SOMETHING THAT WILL LAST LONGER.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT MATT AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT IS, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREET, THE ACTUAL PROFILE OF THE STREETS, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT HIGH CROWN, RIGHT? YES. THEY'RE VERY.

HIGH CROWNED GUTTERS ARE LOW.

THEY WERE BUILT TO STORE THAT WATER INTO THE SIDE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO DRIVE AND HAVE ACCESS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

WE COME AND DEPRESS IT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY DRAINAGE.

YOU'RE FORCING EVERYBODY TO RUN THROUGH A BAYOU.

YEAH. SO IT THE, THE THAT AND THE COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL BY ALSO TALKING TO TEXTILE ABOUT THAT PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING. I'M CONTINUING AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GAINING SOME LEGS.

SO, JOHN, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND US TO DO CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER ON LOCUST UNTIL WE FIX THE DRAINAGE ON ARCOLA? IT WOULD BE VERY IT'D BE VERY WISE TO WAIT TILL YOU GET THE DRAINAGE WHERE YOU CAN PUT IN COLLECTION SYSTEM AND BRING IT INTO A PIPE AND GET GET IT OFF, BECAUSE IF NOT, IT'S JUST GOING TO SIT.

YOU'VE GOT A COLLECTION SYSTEM AT FRONT STREET AND IN BUSINESS 38, AND THERE'S A STORM.

THERE IS A STORM SEWER IN SHENANGO STREET.

THE TROUBLE IS BETWEEN SHENANGO AND ARCOLA NOW IS WHEN YOU START FILLING UP THE WATER SO YOU CAN GET HALF OF THAT, MAYBE INTO WHAT'S IN SHENANGO STREET.

IT'S NOT YOUR ULTIMATE WISH, RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GET YOU A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF STREET BILL.

YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE DEPTH TO, YOU KNOW, THE STORM, THE STORM SEWER DEPTH TO MAKE THAT TIE IN.

BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S PRETTY SHALLOW.

I'VE GOT I'VE GOT A SURVEY OF THAT.

YEAH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH SHENANGO STREET STORM SEWER.

YEAH. YEAH.

SO BUT IT IS A IT IS A POSSIBILITY TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

THE 288 BUSINESS 288 HAS SOME AREA BACK THAT WAY THAT WAS ACCOUNTED FOR THE DRAINAGE.

SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE DRAINAGE AREA MAPS AND LOOK AT, LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN RUN TO THAT SHENANGO SYSTEM.

BECAUSE IT'S WHEN IT GOES ACROSS 35.

IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL PIPE SYSTEM OKAY.

IT'S ALL VERY INTERESTING.

I MEAN, I THINK WITH YOUR EXPANSION AND, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO ANGLETON EVERY, EVERY JURY DAY AND A LOT OF CARS IN THIS AREA.

IT IT IS A FACE OF OUR CITY.

IN A LOT OF CASES. SOME PEOPLE DON'T SEE ANGLETON FROM ANY OTHER PERSPECTIVE, BUT RIGHT HERE AND IT'S IN SOME BAD SHAPE.

SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT AND HELP AND WORK TOGETHER AS PARTNERS, I THINK IS A GREAT I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE THE PROJECT ALL THE WAY COMPLETED.

I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE TOO.

YEAH I WISH DID YOU MENTION YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AT THE VERY BEGINNING ABOUT PARKING AND SOME PLANS, HOW YOU CONSIDERED PARKING GARAGE.

I GET THAT ALL THE TIME.

WHY DID THE COUNTY NOT PUT A PARKING GARAGE UP? SO I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING TO GO.

IN FACT, THE JUDGE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EOC PARKING LOT.

SO I THINK IT'S SMITH COUNTY.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE COUNTY THAT TYLER IS IN.

SMITH. SMITH.

YEAH. SO SMITH COUNTY JUST BUILT A PARKING GARAGE AND THEIR COST WAS APPROXIMATELY.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT COST PER SPACE.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT $30,000 A SPACE RIGHT A PARKING SPOT.

THE. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE PAID FOR THOSE TWO MASS THOUGH NOT DON'T WANT TO SAY MASS IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUT THE TWO CITY BLOCK PARKING LOTS WE BUILT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE PAID ABOUT $7,000 PER SPACE.

THE COST OF PARKING LOT.

WE'RE PAYING ABOUT $9,000 PER SPACE.

IT'S HARD TO I DON'T WANT TO USE THE EOC AS THE GO BY BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL SCALE PARKING LOT.

I DON'T THINK I'D PAY $9,000 OF SPACE, BUT I WOULDN'T PAY $7,000 A SPACE.

THE TRUE COST PER SPACE IS SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 7000 OR 9000 VERSUS 30,000, IT IT GETS TO BE KIND OF A CHALLENGE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

EVENTUALLY THE DAY IS GOING TO COME.

RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ARE ADDING WHAT SIX COURTS IN THIS BUILDING.

YEAH. SIX NEW COURTS.

NOT ALL OF THEM ARE NEW.

RIGHT. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO FILL UP I THINK THE LEGISLATURE PROBABLY IN THE NEXT SESSION, WILL PUT TWO NEW COURTS IN THE NEW COURTHOUSE.

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BUT WE'RE ADDING SPACE FOR A NUMBER OF NEW COURTS.

AND WHEN WE DO, AS THOSE FILL UP, AS BRAZORIA COUNTY GROWS, OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING DEMAND IS GOING TO GROW.

THE QUESTION THEN WILL BECOME FOR THE COURT, THE COURTS OF THE FUTURE, RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? YOU CAN'T JUST I MEAN, ALREADY WE HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING PEOPLE TO PARK IN THAT PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH OF THE WEST ANNEX, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A WALK, A GEOGRAPHIC WALK.

SO AT SOME POINT THERE PROBABLY WILL BE A PUSH OVER OF, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH, IT'S STILL CHEAPER TO BUILD AT GRADE, BUT GEOGRAPHICALLY YOU CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE WALK FIVE BLOCKS TO GET TO YOUR FACILITY.

SO AS THOSE COURTS FILL UP, I'M SURE THAT SOME FUTURE COURT WILL HAVE TO DECIDE THAT RIGHT NOW, IT'S HARD TO JUSTIFY IT FROM A COST PER SPACE, BUT.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE OUR COURSE AT THAT SUBJECT WE GET IT AT.

WE GET ASKED THAT A LOT.

WHY NOT JUST DO A PARKING GARAGE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT ONE THAT'S RIGHT THERE NEXT TO LOCUS IN FRONT OF THE ADMIN BUILDING.

JUST BUILD A PARKING GARAGE THERE.

BUT IT'S JUST IT'S A MONEY THING RIGHT NOW.

SURE IT WILL.

I, I THINK AT SOME POINT AS WE FILL UP THIS COURTHOUSE, THIS COURTHOUSE WAS BUILT FOR 20 TO THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.

HOPEFULLY IT'LL SUSTAIN FOR THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS.

BUT AS WE REACH ITS PEAK OCCUPANCY.

WHICH AT THE COUNTY GROWING AT THE RATE IT IS ANGLETON IS GROWING.

AT THE RATE IT IS, IT'S THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGES OF A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL AND A FUTURE COUNTY COURT, RIGHT, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME. OKAY.

WELL, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO SEND ME YOUR BUDGET NUMBER? I'LL GIVE YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT.

I'M JUST ONCE AGAIN THE SCOPE OF THAT NUMBER.

AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

JUST. I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM JOHN, BUT IF, SAY, WE WERE DOING EAST LOCUST, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL DO INTERNALLY, OR WOULD WE STILL HAVE TO HIRE HDR TO DO IT FOR US? MEANING WOULD YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IF WE WERE BUILDING? I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

YOU MEAN IF WE WERE TURNING THIS INTO A CURB AND GUTTER, I'D ACTUALLY HIRE AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND, LIKE, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT IN-HOUSE.

WE'VE DONE SOME ROAD PROJECTS IN-HOUSE.

WE DON'T DO A LOT OF THEM.

A LOT OF OUR THE STUFF WE'VE DONE IN-HOUSE IS ASPHALT.

THE CAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE COMPONENT HERE, AND BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR SOME DRAFTING CAPABILITIES, WHICH WE DON'T CARRY, IT'S EASIER TO HIRE A FIRM TO DO IT.

AND YES, YOU KNOW, HDR AND JOHN BE AS GOOD AS ANY, RIGHT.

I'M NOT. SO I DIDN'T KNOW CAPABILITIES.

HEY, IF WE HAD TO SAVE MONEY ON THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW.

NO, REALLY. OUR OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE DONE WHEN WE'VE PUT TOGETHER BID PACKAGES FOR ROADWAY PROJECTS, IT'S BEEN EXHIBIT LEVEL TYPE OF BID PACKAGES. RIGHT? I CAN TAKE AN AERIAL.

WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE PICTURES.

YEAH. AND I'M NOT A TECH GUY, SO IT'S LIKE ADOBE WHERE WE COULD WRITE OR DRAW IN THE EXHIBIT.

IT'S JUST PLANVIEW AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

OR WE'RE JUST DOING ASPHALT ROADS.

WE'RE NOT TOUCHING DRAINAGE, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

WE'VE DONE THAT IN-HOUSE AND WE DO DO THAT IN-HOUSE OCCASIONALLY.

BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING STORM SEWER IN THE GROUND, WE NEED SOME PLANTED PROFILES.

WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING THE PROFILE.

I'D REALLY WANT A FIRM LIKE HDR TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT AND KIND OF.

PUT THEIR SEAL ON THE LINE.

OKAY. JUST ASK ME.

THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCIL THE COURTHOUSE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU STICKING AROUND.

I THINK THE NEXT STICK AROUND FOR THE NEXT ONE.

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER SIX. YES.

THANK YOU. KAREN. ITEM NUMBER SIX.

[6. Discussion and possible action to approve a revised overlay street list to meet Brazoria County's new criteria.]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A REVISED OVERLAY STREET LIST TO MEET BRAZORIA COUNTY'S NEW CRITERIA.

EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO, PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING.

I HAD BROUGHT THE OVERLAY LIST AGAIN.

IT WAS A REVISED VERSION TO MEET A COUNTY'S NEW CRITERIA.

AND AFTER SOME DISCUSSIONS DURING THAT AND DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THE COUNTY.

I'M BRINGING THIS BACK DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO YOU KNOW, CONTINUE ON IN STREETS IN A MANNER THAT DON'T CAUSE THEM TO HAVE TO REMOBILIZE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I ADDED THE VISUALS IN HERE TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL NOT BE ADDITIONAL MOBILIZATION FOR EACH ONE AND THAT ALL FIVE OF THESE WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT SOUTH WALKER IS CONSIDERED A DIFFERENT.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT DIFFERENT PRECINCTS, SO IT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST THE MILEAGE.

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CORRECT? OR I WOULDN'T QUITE SAY IT LIKE THAT, BUT YES.

OKAY, SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO APPROVE ALL FIVE ON THE LIST, BUT I WILL HAVE TO REVISE THE ACTUAL LIST BEFORE IT'S SIGNED, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY FOUR ON THIS LIST I CREATED LAST TIME.

I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION BEFORE THE MEETING.

OKAY. I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET A LOT MORE DONE FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AS BEFORE THE LAST MEETING, I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT I'M, YOU KNOW, WILKINS IS GETTING PRETTY BAD.

YES. ON IT GETTING WORSE EVERY DAY.

WE HAVE MATT HERE.

SO WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME? IF WE CAN APPROVE THIS TONIGHT? WHEN IS ANGLETON'S TURN? I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU THERE, MAIER.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO. I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY ALOOF, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE GET INTO, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THE REQUEST AND GET IT APPROVED, THEN WE GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE. AND I TALKED TO MY SUPERINTENDENTS TODAY.

I KNOW HE I TOLD HIM THAT THIS WAS GETTING DONE.

I DO THINK YOU'LL SEE IT GET ON THE SCHEDULE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT I FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND GIVE YOU A TIME FRAME.

HEY, TWO MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I.

I'LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.

I DON'T MIND DOING THAT.

OKAY. BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IN THE PAST IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE WE APPROVE IT IN OCTOBER AND SEPTEMBER.

IT GETS, YOU KNOW, AUGUST.

SEPTEMBER IS WHEN WE GET IT DONE.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN RESIDENTS ASK ME WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME? WELL, I WILL SAY THIS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF OUR I GUESS I HATE TO SAY MANTRAS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR ROAD PLAN, OUR ROAD PLAN FIRST, AND THEN WE COME IN AND DO ALL THE CITY WORK.

SO A LOT OF TIMES OUR GUYS PUSH VERY HEAVY ON GETTING THE COUNTY ROAD PLAN DONE, GETTING THOSE ROADS COMPLETED AND THEN MOVE INTO THE CITIES. SOMETIMES WHEN WE ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY NEXT TO A CITY, WE MIGHT BREAK THAT TREND AND GO AHEAD AND KNOCK OUT THE CITIES WORK AT THAT TIME.

BUT IT'S SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU'VE TYPICALLY SEEN IT, WHERE Y'ALL ARE APPROVING IT FOR THE NEXT FOR THAT BUDGET YEAR.

RIGHT? BUT IT'S AT THE END OF THAT BUDGET YEAR BEFORE WE'RE THERE.

IT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES OUR GUYS ARE GETTING THERE, THE COUNTY ROAD SAFETY FIRST, AND THEN WE GET TO THE CITIES TRYING TO KNOCK OUT ALL THE CITY WORK.

WE'VE I APPRECIATE YOU ALL UNDERSTANDING AND HELPING US ON, ON, ON KIND OF THE RULE CHANGES.

YOUR STAFF WAS VERY HELPFUL LAST YEAR WHEN WE KIND OF CALLED THEM UP AND SAID, HEY, 12 LOCATIONS.

THIS IS A LITTLE ROUGH, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

IT WAS IT WAS A NUMBER VERY WE WE WE DID THAT MID YEAR HERE.

THIS IS NEW YEAR.

THEY WORKED WITH US VERY WELL HERE I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO I DON'T WANT THAT.

ARE YOU DOING COUNTY ROAD 44 ON THE COUNTY SIDE.

YEAH. SO ONE OF THE WE WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET BUT WE DO HAVE IT IN ROUTE.

I PUT SOME MONEY IN ROUTINE MAINTENANCE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

I DIDN'T PUT IT IN. WHEN I SAY I DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET, I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY ANNUAL ROAD PLAN, WHICH IS MY SCHEDULE.

THESE ARE THE ROADS I'M WORKING ON IN THE COUNTY.

I DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE ANNUAL ROAD PLAN BECAUSE I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF Y'ALL WERE GOING TO APPROVE IT.

WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVING OF IT, WE WILL DO OUR PORTION OF IT AS WELL.

SO THAT THAT'S GREAT.

I'M GOING TO GO IN THERE AND DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

Y'ALL'S PORTION OUR PORTION WILL BE DONE.

THAT'S GREAT NEWS. FANTASTIC.

CAN'T YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? NO, I LIKE IT, I THINK IT'S.

I'M JUST GLAD THE THE FAMILY OVER THERE OFF OF WEST CEDAR STREET AND GET THEIR ROAD FIXED.

BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE.

THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

WILKINS STREET IS GOING TO BE UP THERE.

BUT JUST BACK. YES.

YOU'VE GOT SOME TREMENDOUS TRAFFIC ON WILKINS STREET.

IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

YES, IT IS, BUT IT'LL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED ONCE IT'S DONE.

SO YOU'LL BE ALL BECAUSE SOME BAD WORDS AND STUFF.

WE'RE USED TO IT. YOU'LL GET.

IT'LL BE. IT'LL BE DONE.

IT'LL BE FINISHED. AND DON'T LEAVE A SPEED BUMP THERE AT WILKINS AND ANCHOR ROAD.

YOU'RE COMING INTO TOWN NOW.

THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD LITTLE SPEED BUMP.

I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW WHERE YOU SWITCH FROM 45 TO 30 MILES AN HOUR? YES. OKAY.

THE TRANSITION. YOU'RE IN THE CITY.

YOU'RE IN THE CITY? THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU'RE ANGLETON. YOU'RE WELCOME.

OH, I FORGOT YOU POINTED THAT OUT.

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ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL.

LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NEWLY STRUCTURED LIST TO MEET THE COUNTY'S LIST.

I SECOND THAT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH TO APPROVE THE OVERLAY LIST AS PRESENTED.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES.

TO ADD THE FIFTH ONE.

IT'S. YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

THE LIST, THE ACTUAL LIST THAT YOU WOULD SIGN ONLY HAS THE FOUR.

YEAH. SO I HAVE TO PUT THE FIFTH ONE ON THERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO DO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR MOTION THE FIRST FOUR.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE FIFTH ONE IS.

YES. IT'S INCLUDED IN THE VISUAL.

I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION BEFORE THE MEETING TO REVISE IT.

AMEND THE MOTION TO TO TO SAY THE FOUR ON THE LIST.

FIRST FOUR. OKAY.

YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. YES.

SECOND. YES.

OKAY. I HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION AND AMENDED SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

I REALLY WANT TO THANK MATT AND KAREN FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND BEARING WITH US THROUGH ALL THIS, BUT I'M REALLY GLAD YOU WERE HERE, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING MOVING.

THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE IT, AND I'LL COME BACK ANYTIME YOU ALL WANT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A PROPOSAL OF BAKER AND LAWSON FOR THE TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY OF SOUTH HIGHWAY 288 B AND RELATED SITES.

[7. Discussion and possible action to approve a proposal with Baker and Lawson for the topographical survey of SH 288B and related side city streets.]

CITY STREETS. GOOD EVENING.

COUNCIL. AT LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL GOING AHEAD AND MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 288 B FROM CEDAR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ORANGE STREET.

THIS WILL BE IN IN PREPARATION FOR THE INVESTMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA WITH A TEXT TO GRANTS.

WE'RE STILL CURRENTLY TRYING TO GET THE SANITARY SEWER TV SO I CAN COME UP WITH WITH A PROPOSAL TO DO THE WHOLE PROJECT.

WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? WE'VE WORKED WITH BAKER AND LAWSON, AND THEY HAVE GOT A PROPOSAL OVER IN TIME, SO I WANTED TO SEE IF COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD TO EXPEDITE THIS PROJECT.

WE COULD ISSUE A NOTICE TO PROCEED, AND THEY COULD BEGIN COLLECTING THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THIS DESIGN.

NOW, WHILE WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE SANITARY AND COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR THAT PROJECT, IT'S JUST A WAY TO EXPEDITE THIS PROJECT TO, TO TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO TRY TO ACCELERATE IT TO MEET THE TXDOT STANDARDS OR TXDOT SCHEDULE.

MAGIC QUESTION WHERE IS IT COMING FROM? THE FUNDS BECAUSE THE FUNDS REQUESTED IS I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE IT OUT OF WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE IT'S REALLY RELATED TO THE WATER AND SEWER PROJECT.

WE'VE GOT SUFFICIENT FUNDS IN THERE.

WE DO? YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY. COUNCIL.

IS THERE ANY OTHER FUND OTHER THAN WATER AND SEWER? NO. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND.

YEAH. I WOULDN'T TAKE IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

YEAH. THE ONLY OTHER CATEGORIES WE NORMALLY TAKE IT OUT OF WOULD BE LIKE PROFESSIONAL FEES, BUT.

AGAIN, THAT'S GENERAL FUND AND THIS IS THE WATER SEWER PROJECT.

OBVIOUSLY, SINCE THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR WATER AND SEWER REHAB OR REPAIRS OR IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WE TAKE IT OUT OF WATER.

MAKE A MOTION ENDED HER CONTRACT WITH BAKER AND LAWSON.

THE AMOUNT OF $26,295 FOR THE TOPOGRAPHICAL SURVEY OF STATE HIGHWAY 288 B AND RELATED SIDE STREETS, AS PRESENTED IN THIS AGENDA ITEM FUNDED BY.

HE ASKED YOU WHO IS FUNDED BY.

FUNDED BY ANGLETON? NO. THE WATER, WATER AND SEWER FUND.

THANK YOU. SECOND.

YEAH. I THINK SHE GOT YOU.

BARELY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL FOR APPROVAL OF THE UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS.

PULLING FROM THE WATER AND SEWER FUND.

WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THIS? I'LL GET WITH. I'LL GET WITH DARRYL AND GET IT SCHEDULED.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING ON IT TOMORROW.

I'LL GET HIM A NOTICE TO PROCEED AND GET THEM WORKING ON THE SCHEDULE.

GOOD. OKAY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

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I'M GOING TO.

SKIP REAL QUICK TO ITEM NUMBER 11.

[11. Update and discussion on the Brazosport Water Authority with Morris Massingill, Angleton representative of the Brazosport Water Authority Board of Directors.]

I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE HIM STAY HERE ALL NIGHT.

THIS HE'S SO HAPPY.

UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE BRIDGEPORT WATER AUTHORITY WITH MORRIS MASSENGILL.

ANGLETON. REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BRIDGEPORT WATER AUTHORITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

LET ME IF I COULD, JOHN.

GO FOR IT. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE APPOINTED TO DIFFERENT BOARDS.

LIKE MORRIS AND THEN SUSAN.

SPORTS. THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM ON A ROUTINE SCHEDULE SO THAT YOU'LL GET YEARLY UP ANNUAL UPDATES ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THAT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.

GREAT. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF.

SUSAN WILL BE IN APRIL BASED ON SCHEDULE CONFLICTS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT FOR FEBRUARY EVERY YEAR SO THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, A ROUTINE WHERE YOU GET TO SEE THEM OTHER THAN THEM COMING AND ASK FOR MONEY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT.

GOT IT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU.

I WOULD LIKE TO COME UP HERE MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR, OR AT LEAST PROVIDE YOU WITH DOCUMENTATION MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR.

I CAME SPECIFICALLY THIS TIME TO ADDRESS WELL, CDM SMITH REFERRED TO IT AS PROJECT PROGRESS AND FOR THE DESALINIZATION OF THE BRACKISH GROUNDWATER.

WHEN I JOINED OR WAS APPOINTED TO THE BUE BOARD TO REPRESENT ANGLETON IN 2017.

YOU KNOW, THE. I HAD GREAT EXPECTATIONS.

COULD WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? LOOK TODAY. AND A LOT OF THIS PRESENTATION WAS FROM CDM SMITH AND FROM DECEMBER.

SO THAT'S WHAT BWA LOOKED LIKE BACK IN 2014.

THE THE ENGINEERING CONTRACT WAS SIGNED WITH CDM SMITH BACK IN FOR REVERSE OSMOSIS BRACKISH WATER DESALINIZATION BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2015.

THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY APPEARED WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DECLARING EVERYTHING THAT'S SHADED THERE IN DARK GREEN, AS INITIALLY IS WETLANDS.

AND. THEN WE ARE.

AND THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE FENCE LINE OF THE BWA FACILITY.

WITHIN THE A LOT OF IT IS DIKED IN.

SO THE DRAINAGE ISN'T.

WHAT IT WAS NATURALLY.

AND THAT PRESENTED PROBLEMS FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.

NEXT SLIDE THERE.

THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO DRILL THE NUMBER ONE WELL, PURCHASE A PILOT PLANT, AND BE READY TO START UP WATER TREATMENT. 18 MONTHS BRACKISH ZONE FOR THE BRACKISH AQUIFER THAT WE'RE PUMPING OUT OF IS NOBODY ELSE IS PUMPING OUT OF IT, SO IT'S RELATIVELY UNKNOWN.

WELL, ONE DID NOT QUITE LIVE UP TO EXPECTATIONS THAT THE ORIGINAL STUDIES HAD YIELDED OR PREDICTED.

WE THEN MOVED TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

AND WELL ONE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN 2016 PILOT WELL THEY WENT DOWN TO 1300 FEET.

AND AS THEY'RE GOING DOWN, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, TESTING THE LAYERS OF SAND, MEASURING, YOU KNOW, THE WATER QUALITY AT DIFFERENT LEVELS AND TRYING TO GET A IDEA OF THE YIELDS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS.

AND SO THEY WOUND UP SEALING THE, THE LOWER END, PULLING BACK UP TO TO 800FT.

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AND IN THE SALINITY ON THE WATER'S NOT THAT HIGH.

BUT IT'LL ONLY RUN 700 GPM AND THAT WASN'T SUFFICIENT AMOUNT TO TEST FOR THE PILOT PLANT.

THE SALINITY WAS HIGH ENOUGH AND FLOW RATE WASN'T HIGH ENOUGH.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WELL, ONE WHICH IS ON THE WITHIN THE LEVEES PROTECTING BUE. AND ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT ONE OF THE FEW AREAS THAT WE COULD DRILL WITHOUT GETTING THAT ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER WETLAND DETERMINATION SETTLED.

CAN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT, PLEASE? YEAH. AND WHEN THEY SCALE UP TO.

WELL, THIS IS LIKE DRILLING WELLS FOR THE CITY, EXCEPT WE'RE GOING DEEPER AND AND THE METALLURGY IS DIFFERENT AS WELL WHEN YOU'RE PUMPING UP BRACKISH WATER.

MOVING TO THE NEXT ONE.

YEAH. WELL, ONE, 2017, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ARTICLES IN THE FACTS, YOU WOULD HAVE EXPECTED, YOU KNOW, THIS TO BE OPERATIONAL SOMEWHERE AROUND 2017, 2018.

THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE FACILITY IN 2018.

YOU CAN SEE THE WELL SITE TO THE NORTH.

MOVING TO THE NEXT ONE, I REALLY WANTED TO CONDENSE THIS ONE DOWN FOR YOU ALL, BUT OKAY, FINALLY, IN 2018 THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DETERMINED THAT, OKAY, THE ONLY WETLANDS WITHIN OUR PERIMETER FENCING OR THE SPOTS SHOWN IN RED AND THAT ALLOWED US TO DO THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE BRACKISH WATER DESALINIZATION.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THAT WAS DETERMINATION WAS MADE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN 2024 AND THAT WAS 2018.

SO THOSE PLAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NECESSARY FOR THE EXPANSION WITH THE DESALINIZATION WERE 10 MILLION GALLON CLEAR.

WELL, WHICH GIVES US MORE RESIDENCE TIME WITHIN THE FACILITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SHUT OUR WATER, FEEDS OFF IT.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN STILL CONTINUE TO SUPPLY THE CUSTOMERS FOR QUITE A WHILE BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN THE INVENTORY WITHIN THE FACILITY. THEY ALSO CAN DID SOME CONVERSION WORK ON THE HIGH STAGE PUMP STATION THAT FEEDS THOSE PUMPS, FEED ALL THE CITIES.

AND AND THEY DID ACTUALLY ADD A NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, ONE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 80S WAS SOMEWHAT LACKING IN ROOM.

AND AS THE FACILITY HAS GROWN OVER THE YEARS.

THE HAS SERVED AS HOME STATION AND 10 MILLION GALLON CLEAR WELL CONSTRUCTION.

2019 NEXT ONE.

AND THAT WAS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF THESE PICTURES OUT.

BUT BASED ON THIS PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE AT THE FACILITY.

THE LEVEE AROUND THE FACILITY HAS ALSO BEEN RAISED WITH THE LEARNINGS OF 2017.

THE LEVEE, THE DUCTING AREA GOT LARGER IN THE LEVEE GOT TALLER.

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NEXT SLIDE.

TO FACILITATE THE PILOT PLANT.

WE WENT AHEAD AND THEY DRILLED WELLS NUMBER THREE AND THREE, EIGHT, TWO AND ONE.

THE. I KNOW I HAVE A NOTE HERE.

ONE OF THEM PUMPS FROM, LIKE, 1300 FEET, AND THE OTHER ONE PUMPS FROM OH. EXCUSE ME.

22,200FT AND.

YEAH. OH, THAT'S A SOLEMNITY.

DON'T TRUST ME. ANYWAY THREE AND THREE WE CAN.

WE RUN ABOUT 2000 GALLONS A MINUTE OFF THOSE TWO AND IN THEN USE, WELL, ONE TO BLEND THE SALINITY BACK DOWN.

BETWEEN THEM, THE.

CONSTRUCTION FLEET.

YEAH. 33 WELLS WERE COMPLETED IN JUNE 2020.

THEY'VE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

BECAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE ONE.

YEAH, YOU CAN ROLL TO THE NEXT ONE.

BUT IT WAS BEING GRILLED.

THE NEXT ONE.

CDM SMITH INCLUDED LOTS OF PICTURES AND NEXT TO THEM.

THOUGH. YEAH.

SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION 2022.

WE'RE STILL DOING HAVING PROBLEMS WITH SUPPLY CHAIN GETTING VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVES.

THE CONTROL SYSTEM COMPONENTS, TRANSFORMERS, THE.

YEAH. THINGS THAT.

I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO HAVE SHOWN UP MUCH EARLIER, BUT BUT I'M USED TO DOING PROJECTS IN A VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN AT A VERY DIFFERENT PACE.

SOME PROJECTS I'M USED TO DOING WERE MOTIVATED BY PROFIT, NOT TRYING TO SAVE MONEY ON THE NECESSARILY.

YEAH, THERE'S THE ORIGINAL CASING.

WE ROLL TO THE NEXT ONE, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PIPING ON THIS ONE IS ALL STAINLESS.

AND AND EVERY THIS IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE.

IT'S BETWEEN BOIS'S FACILITY AND THE BRAZOS RIVER.

SO EVERYTHING IS AT AN ELEVATION TO AVOID FLOODING.

AND SO THAT, YEAH, IT CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE EVEN IF THE RIVER'S OUT OF ITS BANKS.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE, OKAY, WE'VE RUN THE WELLS, WE KNOW THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE CAN GET OFF OF THEM.

FELDER'S CURRENTLY DRILLING WELL.

WELL, THEY'VE ALREADY DRILLED WELL.

TWO. WE KNOW THE KIND OF FLOW RATES WE CAN GET OFF OF IT.

AND WE'RE SCHEDULED TO START UP THIS IS THE PILOT PLANT WHEN IT WAS DELIVERED BACK IN OCTOBER.

THE ISSUES WITH PUMPS FOR, WELL, THREE AND THE PUMP FOR, WELL, THREE, AND THAT'S ALL BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND THE VENDOR IS SCHEDULED TO BE ON SITE THE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH TO START UP THE PILOT PLANT.

WHO'S YOUR VENDOR? THAT ONE I DON'T REMEMBER.

I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT A COMPANY I'M FAMILIAR WITH.

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MR. RASKIN. WOULD YOU WOULD WOULD YOU JUST HUMOR ME WITH SOMETHING? I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER WITH ONE OF THE WELLS.

YOU NOTED THAT THAT YOU GUYS WENT DOWN, I THINK 1300 FEET.

BUT YOU DIDN'T REACH THE THE NEITHER THE FLOW NOR THE SALINITY CONTENT.

WHICH WHICH IS WHICH WAS ODD TO ME, BECAUSE IF YOU DID GET THE FLOW BUT YOU DIDN'T GET THE SALINITY CONTENT, THEN WOULDN'T THAT BE A SUCCESSFUL.

WELL, THAT YOU DIDN'T NEED TO DESALINATE.

NO. THE THESE WELLS ARE BRACKISH WELLS.

WE'RE WE'RE AIMING FOR SALT WATER.

YES. BUT IF YOU DIDN'T GET IT AND YOU GOT THE FLOW THAT YOU NEEDED, WOULDN'T YOU? LAYER OF SAND AT 1300 FEET WASN'T AS GOOD AS THE LAYER OF SAND AT 800FT.

SO I'M I UNDERSTAND WELLS, I UNDERSTAND DRILLING AND WELL COMPLETION.

MY MY QUESTION THOUGH IS, IS IF YOU DID GET THE FLOW THAT YOU NEEDED BUT DID NOT GET THE FLOW WE NEEDED AT THE LOWER LEVELS, I GOT THAT.

COPY THAT. BUT IF YOU DID, WOULD YOU HAVE KEPT THE.

WELL? WELL, WE KEPT THE WELL.

WE JUST PULLED BACK UP TO TO 800FT TO 800FT, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO CROSS CONTAMINATE BETWEEN THE SAND LAYERS BECAUSE, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT BRACKISH WATER INTRUSION INTO, INTO A FRESHWATER LAYER.

RIGHT. YES. OR A REALLY BRACKISH LAYER COMING BACK UP INTO ONE OF THE LESS BRACKISH LAYERS AND IT. YEAH.

YES. I'M USED TO GOING DOWN AND LOOKING FOR A GOOD SAND LAYER AND IN FRESH WATER.

BUT THIS ONE, THIS AQUIFER, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S PUMPING OUT OF IT.

IT'S KIND OF A MYSTERY AS TO WHAT IT WILL SUPPLY.

AND TO SOME EXTENT, UNTIL THAT PILOT PLANT IS RUNNING, WE REALLY WON'T KNOW ITS CAPABILITIES.

WHEN THEY DID RUN THE WELLS WEEK OR SO AGO, THEY THEY WERE ACTUALLY JUST PUMPING IT STRAIGHT TO THE BRAZOS BECAUSE THE DISCHARGE OFF THOSE WELLS, THE SALINITY OF THE WATER'S NOT AS HIGH AS THE BRAZOS IS DURING NORMAL SUMMERTIME.

WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE DISCHARGING INTO IT.

YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BRACKISH WATER AND SEAWATER, AS YOU WELL KNOW.

AND THE BETTER THE LOWER SALINITY WE CAN OPERATE AT, THE LESS ENERGY IT REQUIRES TO DESALINATE.

WELL, IT KIND OF ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU WERE TARGETING, IF YOU WERE TARGETING OR YOU WERE LOOKING FOR FOR FOR WATER THAT HAD THE CORRECT FLOW THAT WAS OF A CERTAIN SALT CONTENT TO UTILIZE THE EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, WELL, THAT WOULD BE VERY ODD, BUT THAT WOULDN'T GO AGAINST THE WAY THAT I SEE GOVERNMENT WORKS.

SO THE KEY WAS TO FIND THE FLOW.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING I JUST BY BLENDING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AS IT GOES INTO THE ROWE UNIT, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPTIMIZE THE THE OPERATIONS SO THAT BY DILUTING THE SALINITY WITH.

YEAH. THEN AND THAT'S WHAT THE WELL ONE THAT HAD THE LOWEST FLOW BUT IT ALSO WAS VERY GOOD QUALITY WATER.

RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD.

YES. IT'S IT'S BRACKISH WATER BUT IT'S NOTHING IS NEAR AS BRACKISH AS WELL.

THREE. WELL AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT MY QUESTION REALLY WAS, WAS, WERE, WAS, WAS ALL OF THIS RELATED TO ACTUALLY LOWERING, LOWERING THE SALT CONTENT FROM A, FROM A KNOWN BRACKISH LAYER.

NO. OKAY. THE PROBLEM WAS I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY A STIPULATION IN THIS.

THE PROBLEM WAS WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE BRACKISH WATER WAS GOING TO BE.

THEY PREDICTED WHAT THE BRACKISH WATER WOULD BE, AND.

IT'S KIND OF SURPRISING.

AT THE DIFFERENCES IN THE SALINITY IN THE DIFFERENT WELLS WITH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, TWO IS JUST WITHIN THE FENCE LINE, BUT IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE, WELL, ONE IS ON THE.

THE NORTH SIDE AND THE DIFFERENCE IN SALINITY AT THE SAME DEPTH.

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IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT AND THE FLOW RATES ARE DIFFERENT.

ANYWAY RIGHT NOW, WELL, TWO THEY'RE WAITING TO THE WAITING ON MATERIALS TO FINISH THE CASING AND THE STAINLESS PIPE FOR IT IS PROBABLY SIX MONTHS AT LEAST TO A YEAR DOWN THE SUPPLY CHAIN.

YEAH. IT'S NOT GOOD.

SIX MONTHS. SO WAS THERE ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE PILOT PLANT? THE. IT'S A SKID UNIT THAT CAME PRE-WIRED.

IT'S TAKING SIX MONTHS TO GO TO TRIAL WITH IT BECAUSE BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE WELL PUMPS HAVING TO BE RETURNED TO THE MANUFACTURER BECAUSE SOMEBODY MISSED THE MEASUREMENTS ON THEM.

OKAY. AND.

YES, JERRY.

YOU'RE NOT.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT USED TO THAT.

I UNDERSTAND, YEAH, AND WE'RE USED TO BEING ABLE TO GET SOMETHING MUCH FASTER.

LET'S SEE. NEXT SLIDE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S.

HERE WE GO DOWN BELL TO BELL TO RECEIVE THE OCTOBER IT WAS AWARDED TO.

FELDER WAS THE LOW BIDDER AND.

THEY WERE GIVEN NOTICE TO PROCEED IN DECEMBER.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE MOVED IN AND PUNCHED THE HOLE.

IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE I THINK THEY'RE CURRENTLY SEALING IT DOWN TO LIKE 400FT AND THEY'LL CONTINUE GOING DOWN, SEALING IT.

SO TO AS THE WEEKS PROGRESS AND THEN.

BECAUSE YES, WE DON'T WANT THAT CROSS CONTAMINATION.

YEAH. THEY CURRENTLY PREDICT 6 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

ROWE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FOR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT WAS 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

AND PHASE ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO GIVE US SIX.

PHASE TWO WOULD BE TWO ADDITIONAL WELLS ACROSS THE THE RIVER ON PRISON FARM LAND FROM US.

AND THEN WE HIT THAT VERY BOTTOM LINE.

JUST. SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION 2027.

AND YES, BWP BOARD HAD WE'VE HAD SOME HEARTBURN OVER THIS FOR A WHILE NOW, WE'VE AND WE'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT TURNOVER IN BOARD.

THERE'S I BECAME THE SECOND MOST TENURED MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS.

BUE REALLY ISN'T OR WASN'T GEARED UP TO RUN MULTIPLE PROJECTS AT ONE TIME.

BUT ISN'T IT JUST ONE PROJECT FOR THE MOST PART, ALL ENCOMPASSING? WELL, YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THEY BUILT THE PIPELINE TO ROSENBERG DURING ALL THIS TIME AS WELL.

AND THEN YOU HAD ALL THE FACILITY CHANGES WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL CLEAR.

WELL, THE PAST STAGE PUMPS.

YEAH. YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE PROJECTS GOING DURING ALL THIS TIME, AND WE REDUCED STAFF TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP COSTS DOWN. WELL.

AND ANYWAY, THE.

CURRENTLY, THE BOARD HAS REQUESTED AN ADDITIONAL FULL TIME PERSON TO HELP FACILITATE EXECUTION

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OF PROJECTS AND BRING IN A CONTRACTOR TO OVERSEE PROJECT EXECUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE ORDERED WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AND, YOU KNOW, TO RIDE SHOTGUN BECAUSE WE HAD MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAD APPROVAL FROM THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON FOR THE LINE GOING TO THE BRAZOS RIVER, WELL, THAT PAPERWORK HAD TO ALL BE REDONE.

THE I DON'T KNOW IF THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS BRAZOS RIVER NAVIGATION DISTRICT, THEY WANT MODIFICATIONS IN OUR LINE WHERE IT EMPTIES INTO THE RIVER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THEY THEY'VE EXECUTED THESE PROJECTS, THESE PIECES OF THE PROJECT, ONE STEP AT A TIME.

INSTEAD OF RUNNING MULTIPLE THINGS IN PARALLEL.

THERE WERE SOME THINGS YOU YOU COULDN'T DO IN PARALLEL, BUT, YOU KNOW DON'T FIND EXECUTING PROJECTS LIKE THIS ACCEPTABLE.

THE BUSINESS I CAME FROM, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED A LONG TIME AGO.

AND BUT, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS KIND OF PROJECT WORK WITH FLOODS AND NOT HAVING THE STAFF TO HANDLE THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, IT LIMITS HOW FAST YOU CAN EXECUTE A PROJECT.

L ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

THAT WAS.

FIVE YEARS AT LEAST.

AND AND THEN ADD COVID ON TOP AND SUPPLY CHAIN.

BASICALLY ONCE THE PHASE ONE IS.

OPERATIONAL WILL SEE HOW IT WELL IT WORKS.

AND THEN DETERMINE IF THERE WILL BE A PHASE TWO.