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[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]
MAY 28TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.WE HAVE A QUORUM. IF EVERYBODY WILL STAND UP.
COUNCIL MEMBER ROBERTS WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WE CAN CALL ON YOU AT ALL TIMES AND YOU HEAR US, YOU LOVE US, AND YOU CARE FOR US.
FATHER GOD, WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH US AS WE DO THE BUSINESS OF OUR CITY.
FATHER, GIVE US THE WISDOM IT TAKES TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ON OUR CITIZENS BEHALF, ON YOUR BEHALF, FATHER, JUST TO GIVE US THE KNOWLEDGE TO DO WHAT'S BEST.
>> WE HAVE FIRST CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL.
[CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL]
WE HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK BEFORE ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL BY BECKY BRYAN.>> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TO SPEAK, SAYS HERE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW?
>> BEFORE OR AFTER IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?
>> NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA, FOLLOWED BY OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
OUR REGULAR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 7, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO.
YOU CAN SPEAK NOW OR WAIT UNTIL WE PASS THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ITS ITEMS. THAT IS UP TO YOU.
>> JUST BEAR WITH ME, PLEASE. I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY MY NAME IS BECKY BRYAN, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE MY CONCERNS REGARDING THE UPCOMING TRIBUTE TO EMILIO EVENT CONCERT.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT A PETITION SIGNED BY ANGLETON CITIZENS WHO WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS EVENT AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS EVENT, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 29TH, NOT BE HELD AT THIS LOCATION, AND THAT THE NECESSARY PERMITS NOT BE ISSUED TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING HELD AT VETERANS PARK.
I'M JUST ASKING THAT IT NOT BE AT VETERANS PARK.
VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK IS SITUATED IN THE HEART OF OUR TOWN WITH A POPULATED RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THE EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM SUCH EVENTS SIGNIFICANTLY DISRUPTS THE DAILY LIVES OF THE RESIDENTS.
I RESIDE ON CEDAR STREET, AND DURING PREVIOUS EVENTS, THE NOISE HAS BEEN HIGHLY DISTURBING EVEN WITHIN MY HOME.
WHEN I WAS OUT TALKING TO PEOPLE, THERE'S A LADY ON EAST LOCUST STREET ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ANGLETON FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH THAT SAID DURING THE LARGE EVENTS THAT HER WINDOWS ACTUALLY RATTLE AND SHAKE DUE TO THE LOUD NOISE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW THAT IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER OUT THAN JUST THE PEOPLE RIGHT THERE IN THE CONCERT AREA.
I'VE PERSONALLY WALKED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SPEAKING WITH RESIDENTS, I DID THAT OVER THE WEEKEND FOR TWO DAYS, MANY OF WHOM LIVE IN HOMES DATING BACK TO THE 1940S. IT'S OLD ANGLETON.
THESE RESIDENTS WERE GRATEFUL FOR MY EFFORTS IN GATHERING SIGNATURES AND ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.
THE CONSENSUS IS CLEAR THAT THE CITIZENS OF ANGLETON LIVING IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE UNHAPPY AND EXHAUSTED.
THEY DO NOT WANT TO ENDURE LOUD MUSIC, NOR DO THEY WISH TO BE NEAR CROWDS OF PEOPLE CONSUMING ALCOHOL AND PARTYING.
THEY ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT VEHICLES BLOCKING THEIR YARDS AND DRIVEWAYS, WHICH HAS HAPPENED.
THERE WAS A CITIZEN, I WON'T SAY HER NAME, BUT SHE SAID HER DRIVEWAY WAS ACTUALLY BLOCKED.
SHE COULDN'T GET OUT OF HER DRIVEWAY, WHICH COULD POSE A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY ISSUE.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS APPREHENSION ABOUT CONCERT GOERS WONDERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE WALKING THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO GET BACK TO THE VEHICLES.
PREVIOUS EVENTS HAVE LEFT TRASH ON CHURCH GROUNDS, AND THIS IS NOT MY OPINION, THIS IS FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD, AND IN RESIDENTS YARDS CAUSING FURTHER INCONVENIENCE.
THERE'S NO VALID REASON WHY THIS EVENT CANNOT BE RELOCATED TO A MORE SUITABLE VENUE.
MR. LUNA OF QUARTERMOON PRODUCTIONS HAS SUCCESSFULLY ORGANIZED MANY LARGE EVENTS IN VARIOUS TOWNS, SUCH AS THE FESTIVAL GROUNDS IN LOCKHART, INDEPENDENCE PARK IN PEARLAND, THE FAIRGROUNDS IN ROSENBERG, AND LA VISION IN ALICE, TEXAS.
THESE LOCATIONS ARE BETTER EQUIPPED TO HANDLE LARGE GATHERINGS.
IT'S HARD FOR ME, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE PETITION AS WELL, TO UNDERSTAND WHY A LARGE EVENT WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR A SMALL PARK IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THE PARKING FACILITIES AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK ARE
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INSUFFICIENT FOR THE EXPECTED ATTENDANCE OF 500 TO THE MAXIMUM OF 1,000 PEOPLE.THAT'S AS PER THE MASS GATHERING FORM THAT WAS FILLED OUT BY MR. LUNA.
OTHER PARKS SUCH AS BATES PARK, WHICH IS ALSO THE HOST OF THE JUNETEENTH EVENT, MAYBE FREEDOM PARK, LAKESIDE PARK, FAIRGROUNDS ARE BETTER STUDENT FOR SUCH EVENTS.
REALISTICALLY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT A LARGE CONCERT IN THEIR BACKYARD? UNLESS YOU LIVE NEAR THESE LOUD EVENTS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO FULLY GRASP THE LEVEL OF DISRUPTION THAT THEY CAUSE.
WHEN I SAW ADVERTISEMENTS, THIS WAS WHAT A LOT OF US DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
ALSO WHEN WE SAW THE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THE EVENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
ACTUALLY, THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT, IT WAS ON MAY 17TH, AND I ACTUALLY CONTACTED MAYOR WRIGHT AND ASKED HIM ABOUT IT.
I ACTUALLY CALLED THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND SPOKE WITH MEGAN MAINER THAT SAME DAY.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SHE SAID THAT SHE HAD JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT THAT WEEK AS WELL.
IT IS CONCERNING THAT SUCH A LARGE EVENT WAS PLANNED, ADVERTISED, AND SCHEDULED WITHOUT THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP BEING INFORMED AND WITHOUT THE NECESSARY PERMITS BEING APPROVED BEFOREHAND.
LET'S SEE. ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS, A MASS GATHERING FORM MUST BE SUBMITTED AT LEAST 45 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT.
I DID SEE THE FORM THAT WAS FILLED OUT, BUT IT WASN'T DATED.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT FELL WITHIN THE TIME FRAME OR NOT.
ALSO, IT'S MISLEADING BECAUSE IT DID SUGGEST THAT THE EVENT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE CITY CONCERTS IN THE PARK.
HOWEVER, UPON CONTACTING THE INFORMATION NUMBER, WHICH I DID, I CONTACTED THE INFORMATION NUMBER ON THE FLYER, AND I WAS INFORMED THAT THE STAGE WOULD BE LARGE, LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS USED IN JUNE OF 2021, WHICH IS EXTREMELY LOUD AND DISRUPTIVE.
I'M URGING YOU SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER CITIZENS THAT HAVE SIGNED A PETITION TO PLEASE CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS AND EMPATHIZE WITH OUR SITUATION.
WE ASK FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORT IN RELOCATING THIS EVENT TO A MORE APPROPRIATE VENUE.
I DO HAVE THE PETITIONS HERE WITH THE SIGNATURE.
NOW I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF TIME ALLOWS.
>> ON THE FORM THAT MR. LUNA DID FILL OUT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT DATED, THERE IS A PART WHERE IT SAYS, DESCRIBE THE NOISE CONTROL, AND IT SAYS TO ENSURE THAT THE NOISE LEVELS FROM THE EVENT DO NOT EXCEED 70 DECIBELS.
THAT'S WHERE IT WAS COMPARED TO THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK.
I DO KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LARGE STAGE GOING TO BE SET UP.
THE ONE IN 2021 REALLY STANDS IN MY MIND BECAUSE IT WAS LARGE.
THEN WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE, THEY REGISTERED AT MY HOUSE ON CEDAR STREET WAS 79 DECIBELS AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
I CALLED THEM A COUPLE MORE TIMES, WHICH WAS NOT ON RECORD FOR SOME REASON, AND IT WAS ABOUT 80.
THEY DID REGISTER IT ONE TIME AT 84 AT THE ACTUAL CONCERT.
THAT'S NOT 70 DECIBELS. I'M SORRY. I'M CHECKING.
THEN ON THE DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW PAGE UNDER THE APD SECTION, IT SAYS THAT THE HOURS SHOULD NOT GO PAST 9:45.
BUT ON THE MASS GATHERING FORM, THE PERMIT IS ASKED OR REQUESTED TO BE FROM 1:00-11:00..
THIS IS THE AGENDA. I HAVE A SUMMARY FORM FROM MR. OTIS SPRIGGS.
AGENDA CONTENT AT THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS 1:00-10:00 PM AT VETERANS PARK, REQUESTING THAT TIME.
THEN UNDERNEATH THAT, UNDER EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, IT SAYS HE'S REQUESTED THE TIME FROM 1:00-10:00.
THEN IT SAYS, ORIGINAL TIME EVENT TIME REQUESTED FROM 1:00-11:00.
I'M REALLY NOT SURE WHAT TIME FRAME WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH IN MY OPINION, IT'S STILL A LONG TIME TO LISTEN TO MUSIC, WHETHER IT'S NINE O'CLOCK, 10 O'CLOCK, WHATEVER.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO GET UP AT 4:00 IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK.
THEN ON THE MASS GATHERING FORM, IT DOES SAY THE EVENT TIME IS FROM 1:00 ON THE 29TH OF JUNE UNTIL 11:00.
I'M NOT REAL SURE ON ANY OF THAT AS WELL.
I DO HAVE THE POLICE REPORTS FROM MY CALL BACK IN 2021 WITH THE DECIBELS LISTED.
THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING.
>> DO I NEED TO TURN THE PETITION IN TO THE SECRETARY?
>> MICHELLE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL?
>> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ITEM 1, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024-052-8001, DESIGNATING AUTHORIZED SIGNATORIES FOR[00:10:02]
CONTRACTUAL AND FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS PERTAINING TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, GLO, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, MITIGATION, PIC CDBG-MIT CLOSE PARENTHESES METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION MOD PROGRAM, CONTRACT NUMBER 24-065-043-E535 NUMBER 2, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 1 FOR THE ENGINEERING SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT MITIGATION CDBG-MIT, METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION, MOD, PROGRAM CONTRACT NUMBER 24-065-043-E535. NUMBER 3, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 FOR THE GRANT ADMINISTRATION SERVICES CONTRACT FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.MITIGATION, AGAIN, OPEN POST CDBG-MIT CLOSE PARENTHESIS METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION, MOD, PROGRAM CONTRACT NUMBER 24-065-043-E535. NUMBER 4, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AND INTERLOCK LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAZORIA COUNTY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AND INSTALLATION OF PAYMENT MARKINGS AND SIGNAGE SURROUNDING THE COURTHOUSE.
NUMBER 5, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE VEGETATION DEBRIS AT WELCH PARK WITH APPROVAL OF FUNDS FOR CHIPPING.
SIX, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING UPDATED CHAPTER 26 ARTICLE 5, DROUGHT CONTINGENCY AND WATER EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN. COUNCIL.
>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION WHERE THE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM THE CHIPPING.
>> DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT ITEM REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> WE PULL IT OUT SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
WHAT ABOUT ITEMS 1-4 AND ITEM 6? ANY OTHER ACTION?
>> I MOVE TO ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA AS POSTED LIST ITEM 5.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER BOOTH AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DANIEL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE I CALL FOR A VOTE? I CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? NO OPPOSITION.
ITEM NUMBER 5, UPDATING DISCUSSION ON
[5. Update and discussion on the vegetation debris at Welch Park with approval of funds for Chipping.]
THE VEGETATION DEBRIS AT WELCH PARK WITH APPROVAL OF FUNDS.>> AFTER TALKING WITH PHIL TODAY, THE BUDGET WILL COME OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS.
AT THIS TIME WE DID EXTEND EVERY RESOURCE THAT WE HAD TO NOT GO DOWN THIS AVENUE TO SAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS WE COULD.
WE WERE DENIED ALL PERMITTING FOR BURNING BY TCQ.
WE APPEALED IT WITH MULTIPLE RESOURCES IN THE SAME MEETING, AND IT WAS AGAIN DENIED.
IT WAS EVEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT, AND THEY CONTINUED TO DENY IT FOR ADDITIONAL.
THIS WAS THE NEXT CHEAPEST OPTION THAT WE HAD THE LOWEST WE GOT WAS 473 RIGHT AROUND 50,000.
>> WHO CALCULATED THE CUBIC YARDS?
>> THIS COMPANY DID. THEY CAME OUT WITH THE DRONE, FLEW THE DRONE AND MEASURED IT BY HAND.
CROWDER GULF ALSO MEASURED IT AND IT CAME REALLY CLOSE TO THE SAME AMOUNT SO IT WAS DONE TWICE.
>> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN QUANTITY OF THIS VERSUS THE PREVIOUS STORM THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO BURN?
>> THE REASON WE WERE ALLOWED TO BURN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT WAS THE QUANTITY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS QUANTITY AND THE QUANTITY THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO BURN? IT IS ABOUT 4,000-5,000 CUBIC YARDS.
WE HAVE MORE DEBRIS THIS TIME THAN WE DID IN NIKOLAS.
>> THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO BURN DURING NIKOLAS IS BECAUSE IT WAS A STATE DECLARED DISASTER AND AN EMERGENCY.
THAT'S THE REASON TCQ APPROVED THE PERMIT.
THIS WAS NOT A STATE DECLARED DISASTER.
THEIR REASONING IS QUITE STUPID.
IF THEY WERE STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF ME, I'D TELL THEM THAT IT'S STUPID AS A ROCK.
WELL, THE PRECEDENT WAS ESTABLISHED.
A LESSER AMOUNT OF DEBRIS OF THE SAME TYPE WAS ALLOWED TO BE BURNED.
WE WERE ONLY TWO KIDS THAT GOT HIT.
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>> PEOPLE REALLY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED.
THIS IS A SHAME ON OUR STATE GOVERNMENT.
>> I READ MULTIPLE REGULATIONS AND CODES TRYING TO FIND ANY OTHER MEANS THAT WE COULD MOVE IN THERE.
THERE WAS ONE THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FALL UNDER, BUT BECAUSE OF THE MOUNTAIN DEBRIS, I'M NOT ABLE TO BURN IT IN ONE SINGLE DAY.
IF I COULD HAVE BURNED IT IN ONE SINGLE DAY, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BURN IT, BUT THERE'S NO WAY I CAN GET THAT MUCH DONE IN A DAY.
>> WE NOTIFIED OUR REPRESENTATIVE PURSUIT OF THE STUPID ACTION BY TCQ.
>> I'LL MAKE SURE WE DO. HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ASKED TO ONCE WE STARTED HITTING BRICK WALLS.
>> I DID GET HIGHER UPS IN TDEM, WHICH HAS A TECH DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WHICH HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF POOL.
THERE WAS SMALL MUNICIPALITY LEAGUES IN THERE AND IT WAS A VERY FIRM BRICK WALL OF.
>> THEY'RE NOT ELECTED. THEY'RE APPOINTED.
THEY'RE HIRED IN. CODY IS OUR ELECTED OFFICIAL.
IT'S JUST A SITUATION THAT JUST STINKS.
>> CODY DOESN'T MIND GOING BACK FOR US.
>> HE SAT UP HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
>> IT COMES FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING THAT GENERAL FUND A LOT LATELY TO COVER UP OUR SHORTCOMINGS.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CAN'T PLAN FOR.
JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL IN A GOOD POSITION, LONG-TERM HEALTH WISE.
>> WE CAN DO NOTHING. WE CAN JUST LET IT SIT UNTIL WE DECIDE WE WANT TO FUND THAT, AND PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET.
>> BUT THEN IT BECOMES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WELCH PARK BEFORE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR, AND RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN.
BUT IF WE WANTED TO DEVELOP A PLAN, WE'RE STUCK THERE, AND JUST AS WE HAD DURING NICHOLAS, WE HAD SOMEONE GO OUT THERE AND SET FIRE TO THE PILE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SECURITY OUT THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF VISIBILITY.
REALLY, IT'S A HAZARD THAT'S JUST GOING TO SIT THERE UNTIL SOMETHING'S DONE.
>> I DO ALSO BELIEVE WE GET INTO SOME QUESTIONABLE THE LONGER IT SITS OUT THERE, AND IT BECOMING A MANAGEMENT SITE FOR DEBRIS WITH TCEQ.
WE START GETTING INTO SOME VERY GREAT AREA.
>> PEOPLE WORK DUMP AND ALL STUFF.
>> TABLE THIS AND FOLLOW UP WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
I THINK THIS IS PART OF THE THING TO DO.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WELCH PARK, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, LONG-TERM.
MAYBE WE'LL DO SOMETHING WITH WELCH PARK, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
IT'S ACTUALLY SERVED US QUITE WELL TWICE NOW AS HAVING A PLACE TO DISCARD.
MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE IDEA OF BEAUTIFICATION, BUT I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE'RE ALLOCATED IN THE CITY TO HOPEFULLY, COMPLETE OR AT LEAST GET CLOSE TO COMPLETING THE NORTH TRACKER FREEDOM PARK, DEVELOP AND CREATE AFRICA AREAS PARK.
I CAN'T SEE WELCH PARK MOVING MUCH FORWARD, UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES FROM A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION WANTS TO START TALKING ABOUT DEVELOP IT THAT WAY.
SOMETIMES, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
THIS IS JUST MY GENERAL PHILOSOPHY, AND YOU-ALL CAN ALL DISAGREE, BUT JUST TO DO SOMETHING TO SAY WE DID SOMETHING IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD USE OF MONEY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT WELCH PARK DEVELOPMENT.
AS FAR AS THIS, I'M OKAY WITH FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEMBER, SARTON.
YOU SAID WE CAN DO NOTHING, I DON'T SEE WHERE TWO WEEKS HURTS US TO COME BACK, AND TRY ADDRESSING THAT WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVE WHO WILL FIGHT FOR US, AND IT MAY NOT LEAD ANYWHERE, BUT LET HIM LEARN HIS STRIPE, SO TO SPEAK, LET HIM FIGHT FOR HIS CONSTITUENTS.
>> SIR, I REQUEST WE TABLE IT UNTIL WE GET SOME RESOLUTION EITHER WAY, AND COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.
>> DID I HEAR A EMOTION FROM MEMBER SARTON?
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>> A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER ROBERTS.
BEFORE I CALL FOR VOTE, ANYTHING? YES, GO AHEAD.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE KICKED OUT ON THE STAFF, TOO, BECAUSE THIS PARK WAS FUNDED BY A GRANT, THERE MAY BE STIPULATIONS WHERE, RIGHT NOW, IT'S CONVENIENT FOR DEBRIS REMOVAL, SINCE WE'VE HAD TWO STORMS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT THERE MAY BE STIPULATIONS WHERE WE'RE IN VIOLATION OF TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE BECAUSE WE'RE USING IT FOR IT'S NOT INTENDED PURPOSE.
LONGER TERM, WE'LL COME BACK TO PARKSPORT AND ABLC ABOUT WHAT WE'RE USING IT FOR, WE'VE GOT BENCH.
WE HAVE THAT 75 ACRE BEHIND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT, AT SOME POINT, AN ACCESS ROAD THAT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE PLANT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS TO 75 ACRES.
WE'LL HAVE THAT CAPABILITY FOR THE CITY IN THE FUTURE, AND WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING OR IF WE DEVELOP THE PARK, WE'RE OUT OF A PLACE TO PUT IT OR WHATEVER IT IS.
THERE'S THERE'S A LOT LONGER OTHER THINGS BESIDES THE BREEDS.
>> THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RESEARCH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT CAN FIT.
THANK YOU FOR APPEALING IT, AND GOING THROUGH ALL THAT, AND THEN ADVANCE IT.
THANK YOU [OVERLAPPING]. THANK YOU SIR.
>> IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN THAT AREA THAT YOU CAN THINK TO CC ON THAT, GO AHEAD AND THROW IT AT THEM TOO.
I HATE TO USE THE THROWING STUFF AT THE WALL TO SEE IF IT STICKS, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE SITUATIONS WHERE THAT MIGHT BE A VIEWS.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
ITEM NUMBER 5. CALL FOR A VOTE.
>> ANY OPPOSED, SAME SIGN? NONE OPPOSED.
MOVING ON. WE ARE AT REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
[7. Discussion and possible action on a request submitted by Jim Luna regarding the Tribute Concert for Emilio Navaira seeking permission of the event to be held on the evening of June 29, 2024, from 1:00 PM-10:00 PM at Veterans Memorial Park, 115 E. Magnolia Street.]
IS THE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST SUBMITTED BY JIM LUNA REGARDING THE TRIBUTE CONCERT OF EMILIO NAVAIRA, I HOPE I PRONOUNCE THE NAME CORRECTLY, SEEKING PERMISSION OF THE EVENT TO BE HELD ON THE EVENING OF JUNE 29TH, 2024 FROM 1:00 PM TO 10:00 PM, AT VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, 115 EAST MAGNOLIA STREET.>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PROTEM AND COUNSEL.
GOOD EVENING. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO COORDINATE THIS ITEM.
IT'S NOT TYPICALLY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT HOWEVER, THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO COORDINATE IT.
THIS IS PROCESSED THROUGH OUR MASS GATHERING ORDINANCE, WHICH IF IT'S UNDER THAT THRESHOLD, TYPICALLY, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD APPROVE THESE TYPE OF EVENTS.
BUT IN THIS CASE, WHERE IT MAY REQUIRE OTHER RESOURCES IN CONFLICT DUE TO THE FIREWORKS GOING ON THE SAME EVENING, THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE, REQUESTED A TIME BEYOND WHAT WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENTLY APPROVING FOR THESE TYPE OF GATHERINGS AND ALCOHOL BEING SERVED.
PROTECTION OF MINORS IS ALSO INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR REVIEW.
WE SENT IT TO THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS IN WHICH YOU DO SEE THE REPORT FROM ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN WHICH WE WILL ENSURE THAT ANY TYPE OF LENDING IS UNDER, OF COURSE, THE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS AND PERMITTING PROCESS.
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, OF COURSE, WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT FIRST-AID AND SAFETY, JUST IN CASE ANY TYPE OF DISTURBANCE WERE TO HAPPEN WITH THE EVENT, COORDINATION WITH MEDICAL AID, AND THOSE THINGS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT'S BEEN COORDINATED WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, FIRE DEPARTMENT, IN TERMS OF EMS, SAFETY ISSUES AND CONCERNS.
PARK AND RECREATION HAS COMMENTED TYPICALLY ON THIS BEING A PUBLIC FACILITY, WHICH THAT COMES INTO PLAY, AND ALSO PUBLIC WORKS IN TERMS OF ROAD CLOSURES, HAVING TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNSEL.
THEN THE HOURS OF OPERATION, TYPICALLY, THEY WOULD START THE ENDING PROCESS ABOUT 9:45, NO LATER THAN 10:00 PM.
IT'S VERY TYPICAL, AS WE STATED, BARRICADES, ROAD CLOSURES, ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED.
THEN HR, OF COURSE, WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT ANY TYPE OF RISK MANAGEMENT, SO THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO HAVE PROPER INSURANCE AND PROTECTIONS ON THAT LEVEL.
ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE REPRESENTED WITH CONCERNS
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THIS EVENING THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT OR THERE MAY BE ISSUES IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION 1 THROUGH 7, WOULD BE A CONDITION OF ANY APPROVAL BY COUNSEL.THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN TERMS OF NOISE, HOURS OF OPERATION AS STATED EARLIER.
THE COORDINATION, I THINK, OF ALL OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN THOSE SEVEN CONDITIONS, I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT POLICE TEAM IS SATISFIED, WHICH IS A PART OF THE MASS GATHERING PERMIT.
THEN, OF COURSE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON THE HEALTH SIDE, WE WILL ENSURE THAT THOSE THINGS HAPPEN AS WELL.
THE TABLE, AS I STATED, DOES OUTLINE ANY ISSUES OF CONCERN THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD FROM THE DEPARTMENTS.
THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET TO CONCLUDE THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE EVENT START ON THE 29TH, SIR.
THE LAST ITEM, I DID MENTION, IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE CLEAN-UP PLAN, WHICH WAS NOT LISTED IN APPLICATION IS VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF OUR RESOURCES THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLEAN UP AFTER THE EVENT.
SOMETIMES THINGS MAY BE LEFT THERE LIKE BARRICADES OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE COORDINATED AS WELL. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, NORRIS. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> NORRIS, COULD YOU COME BACK TO THE PODIUM?
>> WHAT ITEMS OF WORK WILL THE CITY BE DOING? WE'RE GOING TO FURNISH PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE, PARKS AND RECREATION PEOPLE, BLAH, BLAH.
WHAT ITEMS OF WORK ARE THEY SCHEDULED TO BE DOING?
>> IF WE UTILIZE APD, FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR RESOURCES WOULD BE FOR THE SAFETY OF REQUIREMENTS ON THE ALCOHOL SIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, SECURITY.
THEY WOULD BE AT ANOTHER FUNCTION, I THINK THAT DAY IN TERMS OF PD.
>> HOLD ON, THOUGH. WE'RE NOT UTILIZING APD.
THEY WOULD BE WHAT'S THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY? RUBY, FOR THAT? FOR SECURITY, THAT DUTY.
>> OTHER THAN THAT, MAKING SURE THAT PUBLIC WORKS IN CASE ROAD CLOSURES REQUIRE ANY TYPE OF BARRICADING IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR CITY RESOURCES ON THAT IN PARKS.
I'M NOT SURE WHO DOES THE TRASH CONTAINERS?
>> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING THEY REQUESTED THOUGH.
>> RIGHT. THOSE THINGS, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT HE'S COVERED THOSE THINGS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY IF ANY OF THE CITY PERSONNEL ARE UTILIZED, THEY WILL BE COMPENSATED ON OVERTIME BASIS BECAUSE THIS IS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL WORK HOURS.
THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTRACTUALLY AGREED TO.
THE TRASH ISN'T JUST GOING TO VAPORIZE AND GO AWAY BY ITSELF.
WE'VE GOT TO ENSURE WHATEVER TRASH IS GENERATED OUT THERE GOES AWAY AT NO COST WHATSOEVER TO THE CITY.
IF ANYTHING IS LEFT ON THE GROUND, WE'VE GOT TO PICK IT UP.
THAT'S OUR FORCE IS GOING OUT THERE PICKING UP ANYTHING.
ANYTHING GETS BROKEN ON THE COUNTY'S FACILITY, THAT'S GOT TO BE REPAIRED.
I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND HARSH, BUT UNLESS YOU STIPULATE THIS STUFF, IT JUST GETS OVERLOOKED.
I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE GET DRUNK.
I'VE BEEN AROUND ENOUGH STUFF.
THEY START MESSING UP STUFF, THEY START BREAKING STUFF.
>> THAT'S CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH SEVEN COUNCIL.
FEEL FREE TO ADD ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS TO THE BILL OF APPROVAL THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED.
I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THE COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ARE MET AND AGREED UPON AND WILL BE SATISFIED.
>> MY COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WHEN I WAS LISTENING EARLIER.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
WAS IT DONE IN A TIMELY PROCESS? I THINK IT WAS STATED THAT APPLICATION HAD TO BE DRAFTED OR SUBMITTED 45 DAYS PRIOR.
>> YES, SIR. IT WAS ROUTED TO ME FOR DISTRIBUTION ON THE 4TH.
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I GUESS, MULTIPLE TIME REFERENCES.>> IT WILL BE THE ONE IN THE CONDITIONS AND THE HEADER, 10:00 PM.
>> YES. ALTHOUGH ELEVEN O'CLOCK WAS REQUESTED.
>> IN THE APPLICATION, IT REFERS TO STAFF TAKING CARE OF FIRST AID AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S THE STAFF OF THE ENTITY.
>> WHO VERIFIES THESE THINGS? LET'S SAY THEY HAVE REQUESTED THE USE OF OVERTIME LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALSO PROVIDE, I GUESS, SOME EMS OR SOME STANDBY IN CASE OF, I MEAN, JUNE 29TH, COULD BE EVERYTHING FROM INJURY TO DEHYDRATION TO WHATEVER.
WHO FROM THE CITY REGULATES OR SUPERVISES OR MAKES SURE THOSE BOXES ARE CHECKED?
>> TYPICALLY, THAT WOULD BE FIRE CHIEF AND THEN PDS WOULD CHECK IN BOXES THERE.
TYPICALLY, I WILL SAY THAT AT THE TIME OF POSTING, FIRE CHIEF HAD NOT HAD CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK IT HAD BEEN A STAFF MEMBER, REFERRING TO WHAT WAS AN APPLICATION ON FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING ACROSS THE STREET.
WE KNEW RESOURCES WOULD BE ELSEWHERE, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHECKED OFF ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH SEVEN.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND MAYBE I MISSED THIS ONE HERE.
IT'S TO BE AREAS TO BE FENCED IN TO CONTROL VOLUME OF ATTENDEES.
WHAT ABOUT FACILITIES? IS THERE GOING TO BE PORTA POTTIES?
>> YES. THEY'RE LISTED ON THE LIST.
>> IT'S PAGE 71 IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE.
>> IN THE PARKING LOT IN THERE.
>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE NOISE AT THE PERIMETER.
WHO'S MONITORING THAT FOR SONY DECIBELS?
>> DECIBELS ARE TYPICALLY RESPONDED BY PD IN CASES LIKE THAT, BUT THESE THINGS ARE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR CONCERTS, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, I THINK BY COUNCIL IF THERE'S A QUESTION OF DECIBELS GOING BEYOND.
>> OUR DAYTIME ORDINANCE FOR DECIBELS BETWEEN SOME TIME IN THE MORNING AND 9:00 PM OR SO IS WHAT?
>> CHIEF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT?
>> I HAVE THIS INFORMATION ON TIME AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IT.
>> THIS GOES BACK TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AT ONE TIME, AND WE GO BACK TO STATE LAW, WHICH IS 85 DECIBELS.
>> BUT THE CONTRACT SAYS 70 DECIBELS.
>> YES, SIR. THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT.
BUT THE STATE LAW SAYS 85 DECIBELS.
I AGREE WITH THE CITY, I THINK IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO GO BY.
>> WELL, I HAVE A PROBLEM. IF WE'RE GOING BY THE CONTRACT, IT SAYS 70, WE CAN'T JUST SAY, IT WAS THE STATE LEVEL 85.
LET'S CHANGE THE CONTRACT OR AGREE UPON A LEVEL.
>> WELL, IT MEANS HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ADHERE TO IT, BUT HE DEFINITELY HAS TO ADHERE TO 85.
>> I DON'T THINK SO. IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT, THAT'S ENFORCEABLE I THINK.
>> I WOULD HAVE TO ASK COUNCIL, BUT MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THE STATE IS NOT ALLOWING YOU TO SET A DECIBEL LEVEL HIGHER THAN 85, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS RESTRICT IT LOWER.
>> IS THAT A DECIBEL AVERAGE, IS THAT TIME WEIGHTED, OR IS THAT JUST 85 DECIBELS AT ANY POINT?
>> EIGHTY FIVE AT ANY POINT SIR.
>> THE ANSWER TO THE QUERY IS, WE DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THIS SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RELY ON WHATEVER THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS, SO WHATEVER THE RULES THAT ARE SET OUT IN THE PERMITTING.
IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING GREATER THAN WHAT STATE LAW TELLS US TO DO.
>> ANY TIME OF THE DAY OR IS THIS AFTER A CERTAIN TIME?
>> IF SOMEBODY IS STANDING BESIDE MY LAWN MOWER AT 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, AND THEY'RE GETTING MORE THAN 85 DECIBELS, HOW DOES THIS WORK OUT?
>> IF SOMEBODY MADE A COMPLAINT, THEN WE'LL TAKE IT.
JUST LIKE [INAUDIBLE] SAID, WHENEVER THEY MADE COMPLAINTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE TAKE OUR DECIBEL METER AND GO OUT AND MEASURE THE DECIBELS.
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I'VE HAD TO GET THROUGH ALL THIS BEFORE, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL THING.
>> YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MAYOR?
>> [NOISE] EIGHTY FIVE DECIBELS IS VERY LOUD.
WE DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON THE NOISE DECIBEL LEVEL.
IT CAN GO FROM EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, ALL DAY LONG, ALL DAY NIGHT.
I'M ACTUALLY ENDURING NEIGHBORS THAT DO THAT SO THAT'S ALWAYS MY RESPONSE I GET.
THE RESPONSE I GET FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THEY'RE NOT AT 85 DECIBELS AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
IT'S NOT 85 DECIBELS. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
BUT AS TO THE CONCERT AND EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, I'M GOING BACK TO THE ONE IN JUNE OF 2021 BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE MAYBE COMPARABLE TO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THE STAGE AND EVERYTHING.
WHEN I CALLED, THEY CAME TO MY PROPERTY LINE AND MEASURED AND IT WAS 79 TO 80 DECIBELS.
[NOISE] THAT'S REALLY LOUD BEING ALMOST A MILE AWAY FROM THE EVENT.
AND THEN WHAT, I WAS TRYING TO DO RESEARCH, AND IT SAID THAT WHEN DECIBELS ARE, I GUESS, READ AT EVENTS LIKE THIS, THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO READ THEM AT THE FIRST RECEIVING PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH THE PARK ACCORDING TO HOW CLOSE THESE PEOPLE LIVE.
AND I'M TELLING YOU IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE OVER THERE, IT'S QUITE TOUCHING AND HEARTBREAKING AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE ELDERLY PEOPLE, A LOT OF THEM ARE, AND THEY WERE INVITING ME INTO THEIR HOME.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS." THEY WERE VERY GRACIOUS THAT I WAS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT IS ON THE DECIBELS AND IT NOT JUST ENDS THERE.
AND MAYBE WELCH PARK CAN BE ESTABLISHED ONE DAY AS A MENU FOR LIVE EVENTS LIKE CONCERTS.
[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN THE CITY THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOURS.
STATE LAW DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HOURS.
STATE LAW IS JUST SAYING THAT IT'S PRESUMED THAT ONCE A POLICE OFFICER IS CALLED OUT AND DOES A MEASUREMENT, IF IT EXCEEDS 85 DECIBELS, THAT IT'S CONSIDERED EXCESSIVE NOISE, AND YOU CAN WRITE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR CITATION.
BUT THERE'S NO GUIDANCE IN THE PENAL CODE ABOUT WHERE TO STAND OR HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE SOURCE.
THERE'S NOTHING IN STATE LAW ABOUT THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, HONESTLY, BECAUSE I'VE JUST NEVER EVEN THOUGHT TO DISCUSS THAT I'VE GOT LIGHTS PUT RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE WHERE THEY HOLD CONCERTS ALL THE TIME AND MY NEIGHBORS THROW DOWN EVERY NOW AND THEN, BECAUSE I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, IT WOULD ONLY BECOME A NUISANCE IF THE POLICE WERE CALLED.
IF THE POLICE WERE CALLED BECAUSE A CITIZEN HAD A COMPLAINT, POLICE COME OUT AND MEASURE, THEN YOU HAVE A POSSIBLE MISDEMEANOR.
>> LET ME JUST HELP UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE MORE.
THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACT HERE SAYS, ARE YOU TELLING ME IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE?
>> I'M SAYING THAT YOU CAN AGREE TO WHATEVER BOTH PARTIES WANT TO AGREE WITH.
BUT THE RISK IS THAT THE OTHER LEG OF THE EQUATION IS THE ENFORCEMENT.
SO WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WRITE A CITATION FOR 75 DECIBELS.
WE CAN ONLY WRITE A CITATION FOR A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.
>> THEN IS THE ENFORCEMENT AS YOU SHUT DOWN IS THE REMEDY TO?
>> WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
>> WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO CONTRACTUALLY BECAUSE WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A CONTRACT THAT STATES THAT 70.
>> WELL, THAT'S A PERMIT. I HAVE A PERMIT.
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE UNDER A CONTRACT.
>> A PERMIT, THEN WHY EVEN ADDRESS THE NOISE VOLUME LEVEL IF IT'S NOTHING ENFORCEABLE ABOUT THAT?
>> WE'RE IN THE LONG PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE PERMIT TO ENSURE, IT'S BEEN THE PERMIT FOREVER THAT IT MAKES SENSE AND APPLY THE STATE LAW.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SAY AND I COULD SEE INSTANCES WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW MASS GATHERINGS, WHETHER IT'S AT THIS LOCATION OR SOME OTHER.
WELL, WE'RE SAYING, YES, WE WILL ALLOW IT.
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BUT HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING TO HOLD YOU TO A SLIGHTLY LOWER DECIBEL LEVEL BECAUSE OF WHATEVER SURROUNDING.BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME WAY TO ENFORCE THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU'RE JUST NEBULOUS, IT MEANS NOTHING.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE OTHER THAN WASTING YOUR INK AND YOUR TIME TO HAVE YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
MY THOUGHT IS SO IF THEY WERE TO VIOLATE IT, I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T CITE THEM.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL REMEDY FOR THEIR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE PERMIT?
>> RIGHT NOW, YOUR MASS GATHERING PERMIT PROCESS WAS ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE.
SO ALL YOU COULD DO IS ENFORCE WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE IS, WRITE A CITATION.
>> WELL, WE SAID UP TO A PROPERTY, IS THAT THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT SAYS PERIMETER AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO FENCE IT OFF WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE?
>> IF YOU'VE GOT AN UNOCCUPIED AREA THAT'S A COMMERCIAL OR A COUNTY BUILDING.
>> I'M NOT EVEN THINKING JUST PARTICULARLY ABOUT THIS EVENT.
I'M TRYING TO THINK LONG TERM.
>> WE CAN ADDRESS THE LONG TERM AT A LATER DATE AS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS.
>> IT'S A 2015 ORDINANCE, AND I WOULD SAY THAT TO DATE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN YOUR ARM OF ENFORCEMENT.
YOUR DISCUSSION WITH WHOMEVER IS COMING AND DOING THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND HAMMERING OUT WHAT IT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE I THINK I'M ASSUMING WAS ADOPTED FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER WHICH EVENTS, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY EVENTS.
>> IF I CAN ADD THE LAST ITEM WHICH IS POINTED OUT IN THE COVER OR THE SUMMARY.
THERE'S THE ITEM OF IT BEING A CITY FACILITY PARK SO IT'S BEING CLOSED, SO COUNCIL'S ACTION IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE THE CLOSURE OF THE PARK AS WELL AS THE SERVING OF THE ALCOHOL.
>> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S TWO, BUT THEY GO HAND IN HAND, WE HAVE THE FIREWORK SHOW AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH SPREADS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT.
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE OVERTIME OFFICERS OFF DUTY WORKING HERE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE TASKED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP THE REST OF THE CITY SAFE, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE TASKED WITH SPREAD OUT BEING OVER HERE.
>> THEN WHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN.
>> I THINK THESE ARE QUESTIONS MR. LUNA COULD ANSWER.
>> I THINK I COULD ANSWER THAT.
>> I'LL BE HAPPY TO LET YOU SPEAK, MR. LUNA.
MY ONE OTHER THOUGHT, AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL, IS I DO THINK 10:00 MIGHT BE A LITTLE LATE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GETTING THERE AT 1:00 PM.
THAT'S A LONG TIME FOR MUSIC TO PLAY, FROM 1:00-10:00.
>> WE DON'T START MUSIC AT 1:00.
I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> MR. LUNA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? I'M SORRY. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
>> WITH REGARD TO POSSIBLY BREAKING OR VIOLATING PERMIT, JUST NEVER GIVE ANOTHER ONE, AND JUST LET THAT BE KNOWN.
YOU MESS UP, IF YOU GET THIS CHANCE, IF YOU SHOW US HOW YOU ACT, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO ACT THAT WAY ANYMORE.
>> WON'T GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO.
>> LET ME PIGGYBACK ON THAT BEFORE THE GENTLEMAN SPEAKS, THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 10 BASES FOR DENIAL.
I'M NOT REAL SURE I SAW THESE BASES IN THE PACKET, BUT OSTENSIBLY THE PERMITTING SHOULD COVER THESE 10 AREAS.
THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT, BUT YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU'VE GOT 10 REASONS THAT YOU COULD SAY NO.
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JIM LUNA, AND I'M A RESIDENT.
THIS IS MY THIRD CONCERT SO THAT YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT I'VE HAD HERE.
ALONG WITH THE CONCERTS THAT I PRODUCE FOR THE CITY,
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EACH MAY, THERE'S FOUR, FIVE WEEKS IN MAY, EVERY FRIDAY, THERE IS FOUR OR FIVE ON SEPTEMBER, AND I PRODUCE ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS THE HISPANIC SHOW ONCE IN SEPTEMBER AND ONCE IN MAY.THE ONLY THING I'M DOING DIFFERENT IS I'M SELF-CONTAINED.
I'M PAYING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO INCUR THE CITY.
I DON'T EXPECT CITY WORKERS TO BE EMPLOYED THAT DAY OTHER THAN WHAT I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO LIEUTENANT PARSON.
WE'VE ALREADY FIGURED OUT HOW MANY OFFICERS.
WE HAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF OFFICERS.
WE EXPECT THE SAME AMOUNT OF CROWD.
THREE WEEKS AGO, I BELIEVE, ON A FRIDAY WHEN WE DID THE HISPANIC SHOW, WE HAD CLOSE TO 1,000 PEOPLE, 900 AND SOMETHING PEOPLE AT THE EVENT.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST EVENTS WE'VE EVER HAD THERE FOR THE FREE EVENTS.
THIS EVENT, THE LADY THAT TEXTED ME THIS AFTERNOON, I GUESS IT WAS YOU, WAS ASKING ME QUESTIONS LIKE SHE WAS GOING TO BUY TICKETS AND STUFF.
SHE ASKED ME ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO, HOW BIG WAS THE STAGE, HOW MANY PEOPLE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE.
STAGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOUND AT ALL.
IT'S WHAT CAN WE CAN AFFORD, WHAT WE CAN FIND.
STAGES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. I DON'T WANT A BIG STAGE.
I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOUR, $5,000 FOR STAGE.
THE ONE THAT IS OUT HERE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT I CALL A SHOE BOX STAGE.
I COULDN'T ACCOMMODATE WHAT I NEED TO DO.
WE'RE GIVING AWAY THREE SCHOLARSHIPS.
WE'RE SELLING SPONSORSHIPS TO VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS OR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
WE USE A MEGA SCREEN SO WE CAN GIVE THEM THE MARKETING THAT WE PROMISE THEM.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A BIGGER STAGE, BUT IT'S A 20 BY 16 STAGE.
IT'S NOT MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE THERE OTHER THAN THIS ONE IS WIDER.
I THINK IT'S THE SAME WIDTH, BUT A LITTLE DEEP.
THE STAGE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT.
SECURITY WISE, AS I SAID, I'VE TALKED TO CAPTAIN PARSON, I'VE TALKED TO THE CHIEF, AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME AMOUNT OFFICERS THAT WE DID BEFORE.
I WILL COMPLY WITH ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I'M NOT HERE TO SAY, HEY, NO, I WANT IT UNTIL 10:00.
I WISH I COULD GO TO 11:00. IT'S A SATURDAY NIGHT.
THERE'S MUSIC THAT PLAYS DOWNTOWN ALL THE TIME, EVERY WEEKEND.
I KNOW THAT IT'S A CITY FACILITY AND I KNOW IT'S A PARK, BUT I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF IT.
I MAKE SURE THAT I PAY SOMEBODY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CLEANED UP AFTER THE EVENT.
NOW, THE ONLY THING THAT DOES HINDER, BUT WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE MONDAY MORNING, IS THAT THE PRIVATE RESTROOM, THEY CAN'T PICK THEM UP UNTIL MONDAY MORNING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S SUNDAY.
SAME THING WITH THE FENCE, BUT I MAKE SURE THE FENCE ARE OPEN AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BLOCKING ANY STREETS AFTER THE CONCERT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 9:30 OR 9:45.
WISH WE COULD GO A LITTLE LONGER, BUT MUSIC DOESN'T START UNTIL FIVE O'CLOCK.
WE OPEN THE GATES AT 1:00 TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE SCHOLARSHIPS AWAY DURING THE DAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIVE PODCAST FROM A FAMOUS PODCASTER THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM SAN ANTONIO TO PUT ON A LIVE PODCAST HERE IN ANGLETON.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR SPONSORS, WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR RECIPIENTS FROM THE SCHOLARSHIPS, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO RUN IT LIVE THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO OPEN AT 1:00.
I NEED TIME TO BE ABLE TO SET ALL THIS UP. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION OR TWO?
>> I PREFER YOU DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS TO COUNCIL, BUT HOLD ON.
>> WELL, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER.
AS I SAID, YES, I DO PUT ON CONCERTS ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND ANGLETON IS MY BACKYARD. THIS IS MY HOME TOWN.
I DO A LOT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
I DON'T HOLD ANYTHING AGAINST ANYBODY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT GOING TO GET APPROVAL FROM EVERYBODY IN THIS TOWN, BUT I DO A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I'M A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN ANGLETON.
I TRY TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT'S OURS HERE.
IF I COULD MAKE CONCERTS MORE OFTEN HERE, I WOULD.
AS FAR AS THE DECIBEL LEVEL, I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
SHE REFERS BACK TO THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
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THAT STAGE WAS A HUGE STAGE, BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUND.IT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT I COULD GET AT THAT TIME.
IT WAS A BIGGER BAND, AND WE'RE NOT HAVING A BIGGER BAND.
WE'RE HAVING A TRIBUTE, WHICH IS THE THREE BANDS THAT ARE THERE, NONE OF THEM ARE BIGGER THAN SIX MEMBERS IN THE BAND.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I HAD LA MAFIA ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO IN PEARLAND, YES, WE HAD ONE OF THE BIGGEST SOUND SYSTEMS WE HAD, AND WE'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL GATED COMMUNITY IN INDEPENDENCE PARK.
WE HAD NO COMPLAINT FROM ANYBODY.
ACTUALLY, WE STOPPED AT 10:30 THERE.
BUT AS FAR AS THAT, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH SOUND, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I'M MONITORING.
I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PROBLEM.
NOT ONLY IS THIS HELPING ME, IT'S HELPING EVERY BUSINESS PERSON HERE OF THE SALES TAX.
THE LOCAL STORES, THE MOTELS, EVERYBODY PROSPERS FROM WHAT I DO.
I HIRE DAY LABORERS, PEOPLE TO COME AND HELP US, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'M NOT USING ON DUTY SECURITY.
I'M USING OFFICERS THAT ARE OFF DUTY THAT ARE NOT WORKING THAT DAY, THAT ONE EXTRA JOB.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE FIREWORK. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
>> MOST OF OUR OFF DUTY PEOPLE WILL BE AT FREE FOR FIREWORKS.
I TALKED TO LIEUTENANT AT THE TIME, HE DIDN'T KNOW JIM, BUT HE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO AN OUTSIDE AGENCY PROBABLY TO GET SECURITY.
OUR FOLKS WILL BE AT FREE FOR FIREWORKS.
>> WHICH WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
>> I'LL SOURCE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
>> PD WILL STILL BE RESPONDING TO WHATEVER INCIDENT HAPPEN THERE.
>> I WILL SAY THAT IN ALL THE YEARS AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 48 YEARS.
IN THE LAST 25 YEARS, I'VE NEVER HAD ONE INCIDENT.
I'VE NEVER HAD A REPORT OF A FIGHT.
I DON'T DEAL WITH YOUNGER PEOPLE.
I DEAL WITH OLDER PEOPLE THAT LOVE TO COME OUT AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.
I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY GET ARRESTED FOR BEING DRUNK IN YEARS AND YEARS.
NOW, WE'VE HAD SPATS BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE, BUT WE ASK THEM TO GO HOME.
BUT OTHER THAN, I CATERED TO OLDER PEOPLE THAT ENJOY, PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO COME TO THESE EVENTS.
THE VIP RANGES ANYWHERE FROM $40-$100, AND WE FILL THAT UP FIRST.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE ANY OF THAT.
I WILL SAY THAT I DO HAVE A LOT OF SECURITY ALL THE TIME.
I KNOW THAT THAT DETERS ANYBODY FROM EVER HAVING TO DO ALL OF THAT.
THE OFFICERS, WELL, IF I HAVE TO OUTSOURCE, I HAVE TO OUTSOURCE.
THERE'S ALWAYS THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S THERE'S MR. [INAUDIBLE] USED TO BE WITH DA'S OFFICE.
HE HAS A PRIVATE SECURITY PEOPLE THAT ARE LICENSED IF I NEEDED TO USE THEM.
>> YOU STATE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BEGIN THE MUSIC TILL 5:00?
>> WE DON'T START THE MUSIC TILL FIVE O'CLOCK. THAT'S CORRECT.
WE OPEN THE GATES AT 1:00 TO ALLOW OURSELVES TO GET READY.
WE DON'T OPEN THE GATES UNTIL 3:00.
WE OPEN THE GATES AT THREE O'CLOCK.
WE'LL BE THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING BECAUSE WE'LL BE SETTING UP THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE DON'T START TILL 5:00.
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. LUNA? OTIS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE?
>> YES, SIR. JUST SO CONDITION OF THOSE ITEMS DISCUSSED.
>> SEVEN ITEMS AND THEN OF COURSE YOU'RE APPROVING THE CLOSURE OF THE PARK AND THE APPROVAL OF THE ALCOHOL SURVEY SERVICE.
>> ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DO, DO THIS WHEN WE DO SELL ALCOHOL IS TO CONTAIN.
DURING THE SHOWS THAT THE CITY PRODUCES DURING MAY AND SEPTEMBER,
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THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BRING THEIR OWN ALCOHOL.THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BRING THEIR OWN ICE CHEST AND FOOD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHEN I SET UP A PERIMETER, IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR US TO CONTAIN AND TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE INSIDE THAT PERIMETER.
WE DON'T LET THEM OUT. ONCE THEY COME IN, THEY CAN'T GO OUT.
THEY CAN'T COME BACK TO THEIR CAR, [NOISE] WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO GO BACK AND DRINK IN THEIR CAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS SO WE KEEP THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE PERIMETER FENCE WOULD HELP WITH.
>> I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
YOU'RE TELLING US THAT IF A PERSON EXITS THE PERIMETER, THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO RETURN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES?
>> THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. THEY CAN IF THEY CAN PAY FULL TICKET FIRST?
>> WELL, THEY CAN. I DOUBT THAT ANYBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO PAY $40 TWICE JUST TO GO DRINK ONE BEER OUTSIDE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. IT'S A DETERRENT, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN.
>> ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN. THEY SNEAK IT BY SOMETIMES TOO, BECAUSE WE CHECK.
WE CHECK AT THE GATE FOR EVERYTHING.
WE FIND LIQUOR BOTTLES, SIX PACKS IN PURSES OR IN BABY CARRIAGES, WE FIND IT IN EVERYTHING. BUT WE TRY.
>> MICHELLE, COULD YOU HAND ME THAT LIST PLEASE?
>> KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE I'VE PUT HERE IN TWO YEARS.
I HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN TWO YEARS.
WHAT ABOUT THE ONES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW.
DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM? DO WE HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CITY?
>> YEAH. WE GET NOISE COMPLAINS.
>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 1,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP?
>> WE JUST SHUT IT DOWN. WE HAD A PERMIT FOR 5,000 IN PARAN IN AUGUST AND WE EXCEEDED THAT AT ABOUT EIGHT O'CLOCK SO WE SHUT IT DOWN.
WE DON'T ALLOW ANYBODY ELSE IN.
>> MR. LUNA, WHAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING HERE? I SOME QUESTION STRIKE YOU? NO, I ANTICIPATE YOU GET.
>> WITH THIS EVENT, I DON'T SEE MORE THAN 1,000 PEOPLE AT THIS EVENT.
IT'S JUST NOT THAT BIG OF AN EVENT.
THE TALENT IS GREAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN MY BUSINESS, THERE'S LEVELS OF GROUPS THAT I WOULD SAY, IF I BROUGHT SIGNO OR LA MAFIA OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, THEN I WOULD SAY, YEAH, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED 25 TO MAYBE 3,000 PEOPLE IN ANGLETON.
WHEN I DID GEORGE LOPEZ IN FREEPORT, WE HAD THE MASS GATHERING.
I DID GEORGE LOPEZ ABOUT SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND WE HAD OVER I THINK 4,700 PEOPLE WITH GEORGE, AND THAT WAS AT THE OUTSIDE OF THE PARK, AND WE HAD THE PERMIT FOR THAT.
YOU JUST KNOW WHO'S GOING TO DRAW IN.
IN MY BUSINESS, IT BEHOOVES ME TO KNOW FOR THAT REASON.
>> I JUST WONDER BECAUSE I KNOW EMILIO.
HE'S LET'S SAY ON GEORGE STRAIT, BASICALLY AND IT'S GOING TO BE HIS SONS THAT ARE PLAYING.
>> HE DOES, BUT WE JUST DON'T.
I DON'T HAVE A FAN BASE LIKE [INAUDIBLE] OR AS YOU MENTIONED, ROCKPORT.
ROCKPORT, I'M GOING THERE IN AUGUST IS MY SEVENTH ANNUAL THERE FOR THE CITY OF ROCKPORT.
WE DRAW 3,000 PEOPLE NO MATTER WHO WE BRING.
BUT IT'S BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT TOURIST TOWN AS WELL.
EMILIO, THIS WAS HIS HOME AWAY FROM HOME ANGLETON.
I HAD HIM MANY TIMES IN OVER THE YEARS.
FOR HIS SONS TO COME BACK AND DO A TRIBUTE, THEY'VE BEEN TOURING WITH STEIN AND THEY'RE OUT IN NASHVILLE, SO THEY'RE COMING IN JUST TO DO THIS EVENT.
IT'S A BIG HONOR FOR OUR TOWN.
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>> MR. LUNA, I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU HAD STAFF THAT WERE THAT WERE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO THAT CLEAN UP.
>> DOES THAT INCLUDE OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER? [OVERLAPPING] I KNOW YOU CAN'T GO CLEAR ACROSS COUNT FOR SOMEBODY WHO DROVE DOWN THE ROAD AND THREW SOMETHING IN THE PARKING LOT.
I DON'T EVEN LET THEM PARK BEHIND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE TO PARK IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND SO WE'LL POLICE ALL THE PARKING LOT.
IF THERE'S TRASH INSIDE THE PERIMETER WHERE WE BLOCKED THE STREET OFF, WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN ALL OF THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE ANYTHING.
I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO FALL BACK ON US.
I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO SAY, HEY, WELL, YOU CLEANED ALL OF THIS.
SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE CLEAN EVERYTHING.
>> PERIMETER OF THE PARKING AREAS AND KIND OF THE STREETS AROUND?
>> THE STREETS, BEHIND WHAT WE CALL THE GAZEBO, I STILL CAN CALL IT GAZEBO, BEHIND THAT, WHERE THE FIRE MANAGEMENT IS.
BECAUSE PEOPLE TEND TO WALK BACK THERE.
NORMALLY, YOU'LL HAVE THE RESTROOMS BACK THERE FOR THE EVENTS FOR THE CITY.
I'M NOT PUTTING THEM BACK THERE IN THE BACK IN THE DARK.
I'M KEEPING THEM UNDER A LIGHT OUT IN FRONT SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACK THERE.
>> BECAUSE IT'S THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS HERE FOR WHAT, HOW MANY YEARS HAS THE CITY BEEN DOING CONCERTS HERE AT THE PARK? FIVE, SIX YEARS, SEVEN YEARS.
>> BUT YOU'RE NOT BOUND TO THAT.
SO YOU CAN TAKE ANY PARK IN THE CITY.
>> I'M NOT BOUND TO THAT. AND HONESTLY, I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHERE I'D LIKE TO BE.
>> AND THAT WOULD BE RIGHT THERE WHERE THE HEART OF ANGLETON IS.
AND THAT DEAD END STREET RIGHT BEHIND EL PATIO.
CHIEF IS ONE WHO TOLD ME ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
HE GOES, "WHY DON'T YOU ALL EVER DO ONE BACK RIGHT THERE WHERE THE HEART IS." IT'S OUT OF THE WAY.
THERE'S ONLY ONE STREET THERE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO AND NOBODY EVER TRAVELS THAT STREET, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING.
>> BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ONTO THE CITY.
>> I KNOW, BUT I MEAN IT'S OPEN LOT.
>> THE LOT, I WOULD USE IT AS A PARKING LOT JUST LIKE I'M USING THIS PARKING LOT.
FOR A PARKING LOT, I WOULDN'T USE IT FOR, I DON'T THINK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF IT, BUT I COULD FENCE IT IN JUST THREE WAYS.
I WOULDN'T HAVE TO FENCE THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY SO NOBODY'S GOING TO COME THROUGH THE BACK THERE.
SO I COULD FENCE IN AND IT'S AWAY FROM EVERYTHING AND THERE'S NO HOUSES THERE.
>> SO WHAT'S PROHIBITING US FROM DOING THIS?
>> WELL, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DOING IT [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T HAVE POWER ACCESS, YOU HAVE TO RENT POWER, WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS WITH IT.
ONE'S THE ONE TERRY JUST THREW UP.
THE OTHER ONE IS THE FACT THAT THE AREA THAT HE'S GOT IS LOCATED CENTRALLY BETWEEN TWO PARKING LOTS.
>> I WOULD BE ON THE END OF THE STREET.
THE STAGE WOULD TYPICALLY BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HEART.
>> I'M JUST SAYING, IF NOT NOW, WHY NOT EXPLORE A FUTURE.
>> [OVERLAPPING]. IT'S POWER AND SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
>> I WOULD HAVE TO BRING A GENERATOR IN AND I DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM TO ME, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT EMPTY LOT HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT JUST ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, CHRIS, ABOUT THAT LOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT LOT BELONGS TO.
>> AND I'M SURE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THEY MIGHT LIKE THE BUSINESS.
>> I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD OBJECT TO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET ALL THE BUSINESS.
AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING WHEN WE HAVE IT HERE.
I HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY TALK TO ME THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THINKING ABOUT MOVING THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK HERE TO WHAT IS IT CALLED? IS THAT WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE PARK OVER HERE?
>> LAKESIDE. ABOUT MAYBE MOVING THE CONCERTS OUT THERE, BUT TO ME, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE MAGIC OF BEING DOWNTOWN OF ALL THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE PROSPERING FROM ME BRING IN.
I KNOW WHEN WE DO THESE THAT THE PATIO PROSPEROUS, I KNOW THAT'S DIRTY SOUTH.
ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS, EVERYBODY THERE LOVES THE FRIDAY NIGHTS DURING THE CONCERTS BECAUSE THEY GET AN ABUNDANCE AND THEN THE AFTER PARTY, AND I KNOW THAT THE GUY, THE OWNER FROM THE CRUST, HE WAS OVERWHELMED THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE DID THAT EVENT.
HARD WORK BUT HE ASKED ME WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. HE ENJOYED IT.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ACTUALLY EXPLORING ALL OPPORTUNITIES AND NOT LOCKING OURSELVES INTO SOMETHING THAT.
[01:05:03]
>> AND WELCH PARK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WELCH PARK, THE EVENT THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, WE WERE GOING TO DO IT AT WELCH PARK.
I GOT PERMISSION TO DO IT, I THINK, THREE YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER THAT WAS.
>> YEAH, WE HAD THAT BIG RAIN.
>> WE HAD THE RAIN. AND THEN THE OTHER PROBLEM THERE, IT'S THAT THE DRIVEWAY, WHEN YOU DRIVE IN IS SO NARROW.
THERE WAS NO WAY WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE TRAILER IN THERE TO GET THE STAGE IN BECAUSE THAT STAGE WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST STAGE I'VE EVER USED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME.
IT'S LIKE AN 18-WHEELER, IT LAYS DOWN.
WELL, I'M NOT USING NOTHING THAT BIG HERE, BUT WELCH PARK WOULD BE ANOTHER PLACE THAT I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT FACILITY AND I'D LIKE TO LEASE IT FOR $1 A YEAR FROM YOU [LAUGHTER].
YEAH, I'LL PUT ALL THE RESERVATIONS IN IT.
BUT I THINK MRS. MAYNARD AND I WENT OUT TO SEE IT.
AND I LIKE THAT IDEA, I REALLY DO.
IT WOULD BE A GREAT FACILITY WHERE I COULD REALLY FIX IT UP.
>> I KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE A GREAT FACILITY FOR THE FUTURE.
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE THE MAGIC OF DOWNTOWN.
>> I PUT THE KICK AND CHICKEN OUT THERE, I PUT MY RESTAURANT OUT THERE [LAUGHTER].
>> COUNSEL, ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
>> I'LL DO IT AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRIBUTE CONCERT THAT REQUIRES THE CLOSING OF THE ROADS DOWNTOWN, THE VENDING OF ALCOHOL, AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER?
>> THE CLOSING OF THE PARK AT TEN O'CLOCK.
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD DO IT SUBJECT TO THE SEVEN ITEMS.
>> SUBJECT TO THE SEVEN ITEMS.
>> ON PAGE 73 OF YOUR PACKAGE.
>> OF PAGE 73 OF THE AGENDA PACKAGE.
>> THANK YOU, JUDITH. YOU'RE ALWAYS ON TIME.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SARTIN, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH.
BEFORE I CALL FOR VOTES, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, IDEAS?
>> I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION ON NUMBER 2 REAL QUICK.
WHAT ARE WE WAVING OUR NOISE ORDINANCE FOR? IS THAT FOR 85 DECIBELS? WHAT IS OUR ORDINANCEFOR 85 DECIBELS.
>> YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SATISFY THE ORDINANCE IN FIVE MINUTES.
>> I GOT TO ASSURE YOU IT'S NOT GOING TO GET THAT LOUD.
I DON'T HAVE THAT SOUND SYSTEM.
>> SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY THAT.
THE ONLY NOISE ORDINANCE WE HAVE IS NOISE IN THE MASS GATHERING PERMIT ORDINANCE, AND THAT PROVISION OF THE ORDINANCE ON THE PERMITTING FOR A MASS GATHERING JUST SAYS STATE LAW.
>> SO WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THE CITY OF ANGLETON NOISE ORDINANCE WAIVER.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THE WORD WAIVER IS THERE.
WE SHOULD NOT BE WAIVING ANYTHING.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE NOISE ORDINANCE PROVISION IN YOUR MASS GATHERING ORDINANCE IS APPLICABLE.
AND WHAT IT SAYS IS STATE LAW.
OR WE COULD JUST SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW STATE LAW.
BUT WE'RE NOT WAIVING ANYTHING.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY REQUEST THAT WE TAKE THAT OFF.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS THAT WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT BE WAVING, BUT WE'RE NOT WAIVING ANYTHING.
>> DO YOU WISH TO AMEND IT TO ADMIT THE WORD WAIVER?
>> AMEND IT TO RETRACT THE WAIVER WORDING WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
>> STILL HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. BOOTH.
BEFORE I CALL FOR A VOTE, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I'M GOING TO ASK CITY COUNCIL OR CITY STAFF TO PERHAPS FIND A DIFFERENT SPOT FOR FUTURE.
AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY IS FOR US TO ACTUALLY PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIND OUT IF THIS IS THE REAL BEST PLACE FOR ALL OF CITY ANGLETON.
[01:10:04]
I KNOW YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT WE SURE COULD TRY TO MAKE MOST PEOPLE HAPPY.AND SO IF MR. LUNA HAS A GREAT IDEA AND IT'S WELCH PARK.
GREAT. IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT IT'S THAT LOT THAT SOMEHOW WE CAN GET ACCESS AND POWER FOR, GREAT.
IF IN THE END VETERANS PARK IS THE BEST AND THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO, GREAT.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE OTHER LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE CITIZENS WHO HAVE SIGNED THIS PETITION.
I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT WHERE THEY SHOW UP TO BE HERE OR TO AT LEAST EVALUATE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
>> THE AYES MOTION CARRIES. MOVING ON.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
>> THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 5501 OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED THEREIN.
A, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY REGARDING THE PENDING CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.077 OF TEXAS [LAUGHTER].
I'M GOING TO CONTINUE, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, CASE NUMBER D-1-GN-23-007785; THE CITY OF GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS ET AL VERSUS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
WE NOW GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
>> THANK YOU, TRAVIS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.