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ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 531 I AM CALLING.
[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]
WELL, FIRST WE HAVE A QUORUM AND THE CALL TO ORDER, IF YOU WILL PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.TERRY, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US IN? SURE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MR. BOOTH, WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US INTO INVOCATION? PRAY WITH ME, PLEASE. LORD GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY.
ANOTHER DAY THAT WE CAN DEPEND UPON YOU.
FATHER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSINGS, FOR YOUR MERCY, FOR YOUR GOODNESS, FATHER, FOR YOUR PEACE.
COMFORT THEM IN THIS TIME OF LOSS.
FATHER, HELP US TO BE PLEASING TO YOU.
HELP US TO BE MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF OUR OUR CITY.
WE GIVE YOU PRAISE IN CHRIST'S NAME.
AND ITEM NUMBER ONE DISCUSSION OF THIS IS WORKSHOP.
[1. Discussion on Angleton Park amenity assessment for Concert in the Park events.]
OKAY. DISCUSSION OF ANGLETON PARK AMENITY ASSESSMENT FOR CONCERT IN THE PARKS EVENTS.AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE MISS MAYNARD.
SO YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND CITY COUNCIL.
PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF WERE DIRECTED TO ASSESS PARK AMENITY REQUIREMENTS FOR CONCERT IN THE PARK EVENTS, TO DETERMINE WHICH PARKS MAY BE BEST SUITED FOR THIS TYPE OF CONCERT SERIES. PARK AMENITIES REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE OF EVENTS INCLUDE A STAGE.
WE'VE SPECIFIED THOSE MEASUREMENTS WITHIN YOUR PACKET A GREEN ROOM.
SO SOMETIMES THIS ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK OF.
EVEN IF THERE IS ELECTRICAL ALREADY ON SITE AND THAT'S ALSO SPECIFIED IN YOUR PACKET DOCUMENT ENCLOSED, YOU'LL FIND AN ASSESSMENT OF AVAILABLE AND UNAVAILABLE AMENITIES AT EACH OF OUR PUBLIC PARKS.
WE WERE JUST PICKING LOCATIONS THAT WE THOUGHT MAY WORK FOR EACH OF THOSE PARK SITES.
SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
OH, A COUPLE THINGS I SHOULD ADD.
ACTUALLY, AGAIN, WE DID THIS SPECIFICALLY BASED ON THE PARKS.
WE DID HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT AND EMAILS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONSIDERING PRIVATE LOCATIONS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.
OKAY. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IT AT VETERANS. WE HAVE WE'VE HAD SUGGESTIONS TO MOVE TO FREEDOM.
WE'VE HAD SUGGESTIONS TO MOVE TO LAKESIDE.
IN THE UPCOMING CONCERT SERIES.
HAVE WE MADE ANY CHANGES TO THE CURRENT LAYOUT OR ARE WE STILL STICKING WITH THE SAME PLAN? SAME PLAN? YES, I DO THINK WE ARE STICKING WITH THE SAME PLAN, BUT THINGS ARE.
WE'RE LOOKING INTO OTHER ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE THE STAGE IS MOBILE.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
BUT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING YET.
WAIT FOR THIS. SO FOR THOSE THAT HAVE REQUESTED IS WHAT'S IS THERE AN ADDITIONAL COST IF WE MOVE THE STAGE TO FACE THIS? THE BUILDING.
ANY ANY KIND OF COST IMPACTS TO US IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT.
IT'S MOBILE. YEAH. IT'S JUST WHERE WE PULL IT IN.
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SO WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON, IF YOU REMEMBER, A FEW YEARS AGO WE COULDN'T GET THE HUGE STAGE IN TO THE PARK.WE COULDN'T MAKE THAT TURN FOR JIM LUNA'S CONCERT.
SO THEY PARKED IN THE STREET AND FACED IT THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
HOW DID THAT WORK? WAS IT HARD TO GET TO FROM THE PARKING LOT? BECAUSE EVERYONE'S GOING TO PARK IN THE PARKING LOT AND THEN TRY TO COME AROUND? WELL, THAT'S A GATED EVENT.
SO IT WAS ALL FENCED, SO THEY JUST CAME AROUND THE SIDE.
VERY WELCOMING. IT'S OPEN, EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE JUST GOTTEN USED TO BEING THERE.
I DON'T PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE A DRAWBACK TO GOING THERE TO FREEDOM OR VETERANS.
VETERANS. VETERANS. WHAT HAVE WE BEEN HAVING IT AT? YOU KNOW. WHEN WE ESTABLISHED CONCERTS IN THE PARK AT VETERANS TO BEGIN WITH, WE RAMPED UP THE ELECTRICITY THERE.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE AMENITIES THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT ADVANTAGES OF THAT LOCATION.
YEAH, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN STOPPED BY A LOT OF OUT OF TOWNERS THAT LIVE IN SWEENEY AND LAKE JACKSON, AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU WANT TO MOVE IT? BUT BUT WE GO TO EL PATIO AND THEN WE GET OVER THERE, RIGHT.
AND THEN WE GO BACK TO EL PATIO AND.
AND I REALLY LIKE HOW IT BRINGS LIKE EXTRA THIS ENERGY DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WE STARTED THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT'S WHY WE STARTED IT THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT DOING OUR DOWNTOWN AREA ANY FAVORS BY MOVING IT ELSEWHERE.
AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF FACING THE STAGE TOWARDS THE BUSINESSES RATHER THAN TOWARDS THE RESIDENTS.
WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE THAT TO EVERYONE.
SO IT'S NOT CONFUSION THAT MAY COME.
LIKE WHERE THE WHERE THEIR LUNGS WERE CLEAR ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS LONG AS WE CAN REACH THE CABLES FOR THE ELECTRICITY.
SO HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? SO I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS WHEN JIM LUNA BROUGHT THE BIG STAGE IN THAT WE COULDN'T TAKE SET UP LIKE WE TYPICALLY DO. THEY SET UP IN THE STREET.
SO THE PARKING LOT WAS TO THE BACK OF THE STAGE, AND THE PEOPLE SET IN THE PARK AREA AND THE, THE ASPHALT THAT WAS THE THE SMALL PARKING LOT THAT THE CITY OWNS BACK THERE.
OKAY. YOU HAVE TO BRING IN A GENERATOR.
I'M. BECAUSE THAT WASN'T MY EVENT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW HE DID THE POWER.
THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I WOULD SEE IS THAT WE TYPICALLY BRING THE STAGE IN AND WE LEAVE IT THERE.
THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IF WE WANTED TO MOVE THE STAGE TO THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ASPHALT, THE SMALL STRIP OF PARKING LOT IS ON THE CITY PROPERTY. IF WE MOVED THE STAGE FARTHER BACK, THAT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO STUART ABOUT ELECTRICAL.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE LIKE 80, 90FT? WOULD IT BE MUCH OF AN ADJUSTMENT IF YOU JUST PUSHED IT BACK? YEAH. AND WE HAVE BROUGHT POWER FROM THAT SITE THERE TO THE LARGE PARKING LOT.
AND, AND I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU PUSHED IT BACK TO THAT LITTLE PARKING STRIP, I DON'T KNOW IF.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LESS NOISE POLLUTION IT CREATES BY MOVING IT BACK 90FT.
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IN THE STREET. YOU MEAN? OR LIKE ON THE EDGE OF THE OF THE GRASS? I MEAN, YEAH, EDGE OF THE GRASS.I KNOW IT'S A DITCH THERE. IT'S KIND OF A SLEW.
THEY ALWAYS CLOSE THE STREET ANYWAY.
THERE'S ANY THROUGH TRAFFIC, FOR SURE.
WELL, AT LEAST THE TWO CORNERS ON THE.
ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT I JUST THOUGHT OF WAS THIS.
YOU'LL NOTICE IF YOU COME TO THE CONCERTS THAT WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT STAGES.
THAT THAT MOBILE STAGE IS NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO US BECAUSE WE NEED IT FOR 4 OR 5 WEEKS.
SO IF WE HAD TO HAVE THE BUILT STAGE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.
IT COULDN'T OBVIOUSLY BE IN THE STREET.
CORNER. YOU COULD WHAT? SO ONE OPTION TO JUST WITH VETERANS PARK.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER, YOU COULD YOU COULD POTENTIALLY POSITION IT THAT WAY.
STILL HAVE THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARK THE CONCRETE AREA.
RIGHT. AND IT WOULD FACE OUT TOWARDS THE BUSINESSES STILL.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THE, THE ORIGINAL RENDERING BY MRP GROUP, THEY HAVE IT SITUATED THAT WAY WHEN WE HAD THE PROPOSED AMPHITHEATER, IF YOU WILL, AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER RIGHT WITH ITS BACK TO THE ALLEY.
RIGHT. SO FACING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
RIGHT. OH, YOU MEAN ON MASTER ON ON VETERANS ON ON THE LAWN.
YEAH. OKAY. NOT THE PARKING LOT.
IF YOU COME DOWN ONE BLOCK PAST THAT.
THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. YOU GOT IT? NO. IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I DON'T CARE. IF THE POWER SUPPLY.
YOU HAVE TO. I MEAN, IF WE NEEDED TO, COULD WE? WE GOT A PUBLIC WORKS.
COULD THEY NOT DIG THAT? AND YES, I HAVE TALKED I'VE TALKED TO STUART OVER THE YEARS ABOUT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
BUT. AND THERE IS A PLUG OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WORKS, BUT I HAVE HIT MY SHIN ON IT.
WE HAD TO INSTALL SOME ADDITIONAL ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT.
I THINK THAT PARCEL IS SO SMALL.
I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE POWER ISSUES.
THERE'S NO ACTION THAT CAN BE TAKEN.
MORE THAN JUST ONE PERSON. SO WHATEVER.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM MAKE IT TRY THOSE OTHER OPTIONS.
OKAY. YOU KNOW I KNOW, I KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY CHALLENGING TO EXPERIMENT EVERY WEEK.
WE'RE NOT I'M NOT ASKING THAT.
BUT, I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
IF THE SOUND WERE, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU GIVE US A LITTLE GRACE ON THIS UPCOMING CONCERT SERIES.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BURY THE ELECTRICAL BY THAT POINT, BUT AS FAR AS MOVING THE LOCATION, I THINK THAT'S FEASIBLE AND WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS HAVING IT, YOU KNOW, SPRING IS PROBABLY BETTER FOR THAT.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE NEED TO ASSESS IF IT WORKS FIRST TOO.
SO JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER PARK, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RUN AN ELECTRICAL POLE, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY.
EVEN LAKESIDE, BECAUSE OF THE ARCING OF INSTRUMENTS.
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CAPACITY AT ALL OF OUR PARKS, WHICH IS NOTED IN IN YOUR PACKET.OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? OUR FIRST ONE STARTS TWO WEEKS.
ONE WEEK. WHAT IS IT? NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEEK.
WEEK FROM FRIDAY. TRY TO FORGET.
WHAT I'M SAYING ALSO, WEEK FROM FRIDAY IS A HOME GAME.
WE WE SCHEDULE IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERY HOME GAME.
SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE EVER MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, LET'S LOOK AT OFF WEEKENDS OF THE LOCAL FOOTBALL GAMES TO TRY TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO COME AND NOT HAVE IT EVERY, EVERY FRIDAY OF THE WEEK? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OF THE MONTH? MAYBE BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE WHAT DID YOU SAY? THE FOOTBALL GAMES WERE LIKE TEN, NINE, NINE AND TEN.
SO KIND OF PUTS THEM RIGHT OUT OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT OVER THERE.
SO I'VE HAD THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE OF WHY DID WHY DOES THE CITY KEEP SCHEDULING THE CONCERTS ON THE SAME NIGHT AS THE HOME GAMES? SO MAYBE SOME WE LENGTHEN IT OUT A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE ALSO HAD LAKE JACKSON THAT WAS DOING THEIR CONCERT SERIES AS WELL.
SO THE DIRECTION, IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY, IS THAT YOU WANT US TO TAKE THE, THE IDEA THAT MEGAN HAD AND PUT IT WITH THE BACK TO THE WHERE THE ALLEY IS FACING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IF WE DO A MOBILE OR A STATIONARY STAGE FOR THE CONCERT SERIES AND TRY IT AS SOON AS WE CAN IF WE CAN'T DO IT FOR THIS CONCERT SERIES, WE'LL DO IT AS AS SOON AS WE CAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE TO GET POWER OVER TO THE BIG PARKING LOT AS WELL.
SO I'M SURE AGAIN, STUART, HE'S HE'S A MARVEL.
WELL I THINK THE SECOND TASK IS TO LOOK AT THE NIGHTS THAT WE RUN, RUN CONCERTS IN THE PARK.
AND IS THERE A WAY WE CAN DO IT DIFFERENTLY? OKAY. SAME FRIDAY NIGHTS.
JUST MAYBE WE SKIP A WEEK ONE ONE TIME FOR A HOME GAME.
OKAY. BLEED OVER INTO THE NEXT MONTH.
POSSIBLY IF YOU HAVE FOUR OF THEM.
MOST PEOPLE WON'T COMPLAIN IF IT'S COOLER.
SEPTEMBER. AND WE KNOW OCTOBER CAN STILL BE PRETTY HOT TOO.
YEAH, BUT YOU GOT THE FAIR IN OCTOBER TOO, SO I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE MONTH OF OCTOBER.
YOU JUST HAVE TO ENSURE YOU'RE RUNNING INTO FAIR.
[2. Discussion on Angleton Parks & Recreation program and event cost recovery model.]
OH, SORRY. DID YOU ALREADY READ THAT ONE? NOPE. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER TWO.DISCUSSION ON ANGLETON PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM AND EVENT COST RECOVERY MODEL.
YES. SO THIS IS OUR SECOND WORKSHOP ITEM WE STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO BRING TO YOU ALL FOR DISCUSSION.
SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE HERE DURING THE TIME A LITTLE HISTORY, I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE DETAIL THAT WE HAVE HERE IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THE COST RECOVERY MODEL WAS AN OBJECTIVE OF THE 2019 ADOPTED PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER AND STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR DATES OF MEETINGS.
COST RECOVERY MODEL, WHICH INCLUDED CHANGES THAT BENEFITED SENIORS, SPECIFICALLY TRIPS TO A TIER FOUR WITHOUT CHARTING AT COST FOR PARTICIPANTS.
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SO BASICALLY WHAT WAS ADOPTED WAS SENIOR PROGRAMS WERE AT COST.WE DID NOT HAVE A COST RECOVERY EXPECTATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A PRICE DIFFERENTIAL FOR MEMBER VERSUS NON MEMBER.
ORIGINALLY WE STARTED WITH RESIDENT VERSUS NONRESIDENT.
BUT MOST OF OUR OUR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS IF NOT ACTUALLY ALL OF THEM ARE SUPPORTED BY SALES TAX.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS IS WHAT IS ADOPTED.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE INDIRECT COSTS.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY STAY THE SAME BUT INCLUDE DIRECT COSTS AND A 20% PLUS COST DIFFERENTIAL FOR MEMBER NON MEMBER PROGRAM AND EVENT REGISTRATION. THE ADOPTED DIFFERENTIAL OF THAT PRICING WAS TYPICALLY AROUND $5, WHICH IS NOT A GREAT INCENTIVE FOR SOMEONE TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER, SO WE KNOW THAT WE CAN EXPERIENCE SOME IMPROVEMENT THERE.
SENIOR PROGRAMS ARE CURRENTLY AGAIN AT 0% COST RECOVERY ON PROGRAMS AND EVENTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS NO CHANGES BE MADE TO SENIOR PROGRAMS. COST RECOVERY EXPECTATIONS AFTER ONE YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION OF ACCOUNTING FOR INDIRECT COSTS FOR RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS AND EVENTS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION COST RECOVERY MODEL TIERS, TIER PERCENTAGES, AND THE DIFFERENTIAL BE ASSESSED AT THAT TIME.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
WE'RE JUST BRINGING IT UP FOR TOPIC.
IF YOU WANT US TO COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME, WE CAN DO A DEEPER DIVE AND ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS, RIGHT? I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN THAT LONG.
FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO DIVE INTO THE NUMBERS.
OF COURSE, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IT FROM A FINANCIAL ASPECT OF WHAT'S CHANGED IN SINCE WE'VE ADOPTED THIS, HOW MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THE REC CENTER IS, I SEE THE MONTHLY REPORTS I KNOW THAT WE'RE.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUDGET, HOW MUCH BETTER WE'RE DOING AT THE REC CENTER, RIGHT.
HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE POLICY BEING IMPLEMENTED VERSUS JUST VOLUME? RIGHT. PEOPLE COMING IN? SURE. AND ONE THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR IS SO LAST YEAR, SPECIFICALLY WITH ABLC IN YOUR BUDGET AND WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR BUDGET, WE HAVE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER OPERATIONS. SO YOU THINK FACILITY, EVERYTHING UNDER THE ROOF, MEMBERSHIPS, RENTALS, ETC.
SO THAT IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS COST RECOVERY MODEL FOR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE FEE ASSESSMENT FOR THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER PORTION OF WHAT WE THINK FEES NEED TO BE ADJUSTED TO. SO WHILE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY INCLUDED IN THIS COST RECOVERY MODEL, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY PROGRAMS AND EVENTS.
OKAY. BUT WE DID CHANGE THE RATES AT THE REC CENTER.
SO AND WE WE CHANGED THE MEMBERSHIP TYPES.
AND THAT WAS JUST WAS THAT LAST YEAR? 222 YEAH, IT'S ABOUT TWO YEARS, OKAY.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD WAS IT A FIVE YEAR EVALUATION? I THINK IT WAS EVERY FIVE YEARS WE WERE GOING TO EVALUATE THAT.
OKAY. I WOULDN'T MIND BRINGING IT BACK AND DO A DEEPER DIVE.
OKAY. AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE FACILITIES, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMING, RIGHT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE.
JUST GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE.
RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY.
YEAH. AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS ON, ON EITHER INCREASING FEES OR IN SOME CASES, ADDING FEES THAT AREN'T PRESENT.
SURE. JUST AS SOME SORT OF COST RECOVERY.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, BUT WE CAN GET IN THE WEEDS ON THAT.
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FOR AN INCREASED QUALITY OF LIFE.WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE PEOPLE TO GO INTO THE PARKS.
AND SO THERE ARE SIMILAR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS THAT ARE THAT WAY.
LIKE I'LL PUT OUT SWIMMING LESSONS.
IT FALLS ON A CERTAIN TIER BASED ON THE PUBLIC NEED AND AND HOW THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SAFETY AND RISK THING FOR OUR POPULATION, THAT'S GOING TO BE A REDUCED COST.
BUT WHEN IT BECOMES BECOMES A MORE OF AN INDEPENDENT PROGRAM LIKE, OH, I JUST GET TO DO THIS BECAUSE I'M THIS AGE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE DO PAINTING WITH A TWIST TYPE OF EVENT.
I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY SMALL MARKET GROUP.
SO THAT PRICE SHOOTS UP DRASTICALLY AND WE WOULD REQUIRE MORE ON THE COST RECOVERY.
SO IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO DISCUSS THAT SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT 20% IS THAT 50% COST RECOVERY, IS THAT 150%? AND WE ARE SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS.
WE ARE GETTING A VERY HIGH RETURN.
SO WE MAY HAVE SOME PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE THOSE SHOULD FALL.
WELL, AND I KNOW YOU, WE HAVE THE FACILITIES COMPONENT, BUT A LOT OF THE SERVICES YOU'RE PROVIDING ARE IN THE FACILITIES. SURE.
SO ANYWAY, JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO, TO BE MINDFUL OF.
WE ALREADY SEE THAT AS SOMETHING WE NEED TO BEGIN ADDRESSING.
OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ROTHENBERG DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MEGAN? IS THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR? I MEAN, AGAIN, I CHOSE THESE TOPICS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO Y'ALL, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO LIMIT BY ANY MEANS.
I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A DISCUSSION ON RIGHT OF WAY MOWING.
I'D LIKE TO REALLY BRING THAT BACK UP, JUST BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU'VE ABSORBED IN THE BUDGET THE RIGHT OF WAY DEPARTMENT INTO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE SAME CREW THAT'S DOING ALL THE PARK MOWING IS ALSO DOING THE RIGHT OF WAY MOWING.
THEY'RE SO THAT CREW WHILE IT WAS ABSORBED THE DUTIES WEREN'T ABSORBED.
THAT CREW JUST MOVED UNDER OUR UMBRELLA.
SO THEY'RE STILL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR RIGHT OF WAY MOWING ARE NOT MOWING PARKS.
OKAY. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SCHEDULE.
SURE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE SPECIFICALLY REGARDING RIGHT OF WAY MOWING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? THE SCHEDULE? WE HAVE THE MAPS LIKE THE THE CITY MAP OF OKAY SCHEDULE MAPS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO REMIND US OF? THE BAND DATES FROM TEX DOT, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW GOING TO 88 FREEWAY MEDIAN.
RIGHT. BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY UP, THEY MAY NOT BE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU GOT IT.
OKAY. AND KIND OF ALONG THE SAME LINE BUT NOT THE SAME.
THERE WAS A HURRICANE, AND A LOT OF OUR TREES ARE LAYING ABOUT 45.
YES. ANY CHANCE OF GETTING THOSE STRAIGHTENED UP? YES. AND THROUGHOUT THE PARKS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE? YES. SO WE WE DO.
WE ARE WORKING NOT ONLY WITH VOLUNTEERS BUT OUR STAFF.
AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
WE EITHER HAVE TO TEAR THEM DOWN, CUT THEM OUT AND START OVER.
I MEAN, IT'S I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
YES, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S MONEY.
THAT'S MONEY LOST. AND AS FAR AS LOOP 274, WE CAN'T ASSESS THAT.
THAT'S A YELLOW STONE THERE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE GREEN RIBBON FOR A YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST SAY TO THEM PLEASE ADDRESS THIS.
BUT ANY DEAD TREES ANYTHING THAT'S LENGTH THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN FOR A YEAR.
LAKESIDE FREEDOM I'VE SEEN THEM ALL LAYING AT NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT THERE ARE WITHIN THOSE PARKS.
OKAY, TREES. AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S THEIR GREEN RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR TOPICS? THAT'S ALL I GOT. ANYBODY? NOPE. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. SO THANKS TO MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND FOR OPENING UP THE WORKSHOP.
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WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR MEETING.NICE TO SEE A FULL CROWD HERE TODAY.
MICHELLE, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL? OKAY, MOVING ON TO CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS.
[3. Presentation of Certificates of Appreciation.]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPRECIATION.RANDY, YOU GOT THE JOB TODAY, DIDN'T YOU? I KNOW, I KNOW, I HATE IT, I KNOW.
THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE FOLLOWING STAFF FOR THEIR WORK BEFORE HURRICANE BERYL.
COLLEEN MARTIN. WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU. JASON HUBBELL, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
FELIX. WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY? JOHN. BATTSEK.
OUR PARKS AND RECREATION EMPLOYEES.
GREAT JOB. YOU ALL GET TO COME UP HERE. BASICALLY, WE TAKE IT, OF COURSE.
OH, I SEE YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE IT.
WE ALREADY. NO GOOD THING WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL HERE.
BEFORE YOU ALL LEAVE, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO ALL OF YOU.
FOR THOSE THAT SAW THE PEOPLE STANDING UP HERE.
THE REASON WHY THE CITY GOT BACK ON ITS FEET AS FAST AS IT DID IS THE STAFF HERE IN ANGLETON.
I MEAN, THEY THEY GOT IT DOWN TO AN ART.
I'LL BE HONEST, WE'VE DONE IT ENOUGH.
SO I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GREAT THINGS ABOUT ALL OF YOU AND HOW WELL YOU COME THROUGH FOR THE CITY, NOT ONLY BECAUSE YOU LIVE HERE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR BLOOD AS WELL, THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HELP OUR NEIGHBOR.
AND I MEAN, FOR THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE CITIZENS.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU CAN'T CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU.
THANK YOU. WELL, WHY WAS CHIEF NOT HERE? YEAH, HE WAS.
CHIEF MORTON WAS THE OTHER CHIEF.
YES. TECHNICALLY YOU'RE RIGHT.
WHEN CHIEF WAS UP, THE OTHER ONE WAS NOT.
[4. Ceremonial Presentation of the August 2024 Keep Angleton Beautiful Yard of the Month and Business of the Month.]
CEREMONIAL PRESENTATION OF THE AUGUST 2024.KEITH ANGLETON. BEAUTIFUL YARD OF THE MONTH AND BUSINESS OF THE MONTH.
THANKS FOR BEING A CITIZEN IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THERE'S SO MANY POSITIVE AFTER THE STORM.
YOU ALL DID A FANTASTIC, FANTASTIC JOB.
MY NAME IS TRACY. THIS IS PATTY, THE YARD OF THE MONTH.
SHE'S NOT FEELING WELL, SO WE'LL DELIVER HERS.
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WILD WILD WEST.WE MET HIM ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO WHEN HE OPENED HIS BUSINESS.
HE DID OUR CLASS OF 1980 CATERING, AND WE WERE SORT OF SUPPORTING THE WHOLE WAY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REALIZED DURING THIS.
RESPONDERS, LINEMEN, THE PUBLIC AND EVERYTHING.
BUT FOR THREE DAYS IT WAS JUST WONDERFUL.
SO YOU HAVE A SERVANT'S HEART AND WE ARE SO GLAD YOU ARE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO ON BEHALF OF MAYOR AND COUNCIL CITIZENS AND KEEP ANGLETON BEAUTIFUL, A BIG THANK YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
WE'LL SEE YOU SOON. ALL RIGHT.
MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE BY BOARD PROPOSAL FROM TECH LINE SPORTS LIGHTING FOR 72 LED SPORTS LIGHTING FIXTURES FOR THE ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION FUND. BALANCE AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE PROPOSAL.ITEM NUMBER SIX DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO EXECUTE A DONATION AGREEMENT FOR CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON BY AND BETWEEN ANGLETON ISD, A TEXAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE, AND THE CITY OF ANGLETON, A HOME RULE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION AND POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE.
INVESTMENT GRADE AUDIT WITH SCHNEIDER ELECTRIC COUNCIL.
MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
SECOND, BY COUNCILMAN SARTEN TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES US DOWN TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, NUMBER EIGHT.
[8. Conduct a public hearing, discussion and possible action on a recommendation regarding a request for approval of the Tropoli Townhomes Replat. The proposed final replat consists of 1.886 ACRES, 12 LOTS, 1 BLOCK, and is zoned Single Family Attached (SFA) and is located on the Northeast of the Intersection of N. Valderas St. and E. Henderson Rd.]
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF THE TRIPOLI TOWNHOMES.REPLAT. THE PROPOSAL FINAL REPLAT CONSISTS OF 1.886 ACRES, 12 LOTS, ONE BLOCK AND IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH VALDERA STREET AND EAST HENDERSON ROAD.
OTIS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
IT'S BEING DONE AS A PUBLIC HEARING DUE TO OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES ONLY, WHICH REQUIRE THAT WE PLATS GO BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, AND WE JUST HAVE TO, OF COURSE SEND NOTIFICATIONS OUT AS WELL AS ADVERTISE IT.
THIS REQUEST IS ONLY TO MODIFY AN EXISTING PREEXISTING PLAT, AS YOU DESCRIBED EARLIER, FOR A PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED SFR TOWNHOMES, IN WHICH THERE IS A BUYER FOR THE PROPERTY TO FINISH OFF THAT DEVELOPMENT AS PART OF THE DAYCARE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
AS YOU RECALL, THERE WERE SOME MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT OF THE SITE.
THEY ARE COMBINING THE ACCESS DRIVE, SO THAT TRIGGERED SOME MANIPULATIONS OF THAT EASEMENT, PRIVATE EASEMENT THROUGH THAT PROPERTY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE STACKING ON THE DAYCARE AS WELL, WITH SOME MINOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DETENTION POND TO SUPPORT THE SLIGHT ADDITION TO THE DAYCARE.
THOSE ITEMS WERE VETTED THROUGH THE CITY ENGINEER, WHO HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION, AND ALL OF THE ITEMS WERE CORRECTED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHO VOTED 6 TO 0 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REPLAT BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WORK TOWARDS ACTION OF THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU. MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION.
I GUESS. TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE OPEN THE PUBLIC
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MEETING. OKAY.I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW OUT OF PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW WE'RE AT THE DISCUSSION STEP.
SO THERE'S A QUESTION THAT THE PNC COMMISSION WAS AT EIGHT LOTS OR WAS IT 12 LOTS? THERE ARE SIX AND SIX OR A TOTAL OF 12 LOTS.
ON THAT SAME LINE. THERE'S SOME LAND STILL, I GUESS TO THE SOUTH.
IS THAT. THAT WOULD BE THE DETENTION POND.
THE PREVIOUS PLANNING LOOKED LIKE IT WENT INTO THAT AREA, I GUESS NOT QUITE AS RIGHT.
THERE'S A SMALL ADDITION TO THE DAYCARE PROPERTY TO FACILITATE THAT.
YOU ALL APPROVED A AN SUP ON WELL, I GUESS WHAT FOOTPRINT? THEY HAD TO INCREASE THE DETENTION AREA.
OKAY, I SEE, OKAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
IS THERE A IS THERE A ROOM? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OUR PUBLIC EASEMENT FOR THE EXPANSION OF BOUNDARIES.
IF NOT, IT WOULD SATISFY THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
YES. IS THERE ROOM FOR EXPANSION OF HENDERSON? BEFORE WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD.
ALL RIGHT. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
BECAUSE ALSO, YOU ALSO WOULD THINK KIND OF ALONG THE SAME LINES.
OKAY. MY NAME IS MIGUEL WITH BAKER AND LAWSON ENGINEER.
SO WE'RE THE ONES WHO PREPARED THE PLAT ALONG HENDERSON ROAD.
THERE IS A LIKE A LAND GAP, AND THEN THERE'S A UTILITY EASEMENT.
I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S ABOUT 30FT.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE SUBMITTED THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THIS PROPERTY, AND I KNOW THAT WILL BE COMING TO THE COUNCIL FOR REVIEW AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND WITH THE LAYOUT THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE PROPOSING FOR THE HOMES, I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 40 TO 50FT FROM THE BACK OF THE HOME TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE.
SO I KNOW THERE WILL BE ROOM FOR RIGHT OF WAY TAKING IF THERE IS ANY.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A RIGHT OF WAY TAKING REQUIRED FOR THIS PLAT.
MIGUEL, HOW DO YOU PLAN TO HOW DO YOU PLAN TO FURNISH THE WATER FOR THESE LOTS? ARE THEY GOING TO COME OFF? THERE'S A WATER MAIN ON THE WEST SIDE OF OF WEST SIDE OF ALGIERS.
YES. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO BORE ONE EIGHT INCH WATER LINE UNDERNEATH THE COUNTY ROAD, AND WE ARE PROVIDING A 16 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
OKAY. AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON A MASTER METER WHERE IT'S ONE SINGLE METER.
AND THEN THEY ALL FEED INTO THE DIFFERENT LOTS.
AND THAT CROSSING WILL BE NORTH OF THE DETENTION POND.
IT'S GOING TO BE UP NEAR THE TOP OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PLAT ON ALONG THE FIRST LINE.
THESE ARE LOADED QUESTIONS, SO JUST BEAR WITH ME.
HOW ABOUT YOUR SANITARY SEWER? HOW DO YOU SERVE? HOW DO YOU SERVE THEM? WITH THE SANITARY SEWER? SO WE ARE RUNNING A SANITARY LATERAL BEHIND ALL THE BUILDINGS, AND WE ARE ONLY DOING ONE CUT IN Y.
THERE'S A SANITARY LINE OF LAW ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY ROAD.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO JUST ONE CUT IN Y.
OH. TO COUNCIL WHERE I'M WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS JUST IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE TRIPOLI SUBDIVISION IS THE RANCHO ISABELLA SUBDIVISION. AND THE SOUTHERLY 20FT OF THAT RANCHO ISABELLA SUBDIVISION IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
THIS IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS PLAT SHOWS IT SHOWS A 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT.
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ALSO A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, WHICH WOULD HELP EXTEND, GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT DRAINAGE IN.THERE'S GOING TO BE STORM SEWER PIPES, BUT PUT THE DRAINAGE IN THAT SOUTHERN 20FT.
I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT THEIR DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT COULD SURE BE A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO THIS TO GET THIS DONE NOW, RATHER THAN TO COME BACK AT ANOTHER ISSUE TO CREATE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THERE IF IT'S NEEDED.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR THAT.
THERE'S A 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT UTILITIES WOULD BE.
WOULD WOULD YOU BE? WELL, I WANT TO SPEAK FOR CHRISTIE, BUT MAYBE MAYBE CALLING IT, LIKE A RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT.
BESIDES JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A DITCH, YOU CAN PUT WATER AND SEWER THERE OR SIDEWALK.
NO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SIMPLER THAN CALLING IT A UTILITY EASEMENT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S CALLED A 20 FOOT UTILITY LIFTS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GOING WITH MY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
BUT THAT IF WE CAN DO IT NOW, LET'S DO IT NOW.
IF WE CAN JUST IF IT'D BE OKAY TO CALL IT A DRAINAGE AND USE THE EASEMENT, THEN YOU'RE JUST ADDING ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT AS THE REST OF THE RANCHO SUBDIVISION IS BEING USED.
OKAY. THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S BEING DONE FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT.
THAT WAY, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO GO BACK AND REDO IT WITHIN THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS.
AND THAT'S JUST ALL THROUGH TOWN.
WE'RE DOING THIS WHEN WE KNOW WHAT OUR MOBILITY PLAN IS.
WE KNOW WHAT OUR MASTER PLAN IS CURRENTLY.
SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PLANNING FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
I WONDER WHAT THE UTILITY EASEMENT IS.
RIGHT. WHAT'S THE MOBILITY PLAN FOR VALDERAS AT THAT AREA? IT SHOULD BE 80FT.
OKAY. BUT 80 WOULD SUSTAIN AT LEAST THREE LANES TO MATCH VALDERAS.
THAT'S SOUTH OF HENDERSON ROAD.
RIGHT. ANY WIDENING OF THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY WOULD WOULD FIT WITHIN THAT AREA.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SAME THING.
NARROW AND NOT LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE IF WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS.
YEAH. TYPICALLY WHEN WE BRING THESE IMPROVEMENTS ON OFF VALDERAS, WE'LL RECOGNIZE IF THERE'S NEEDED ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN THAT THEIR THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR MOBILITY PLAN REQUIREMENT. AND WE WOULD LET YOU KNOW, I JUST I JUST KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THE MOBILITY PLAN'S BEEN ADDRESSED, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR OUT THEY LOOKED AND BACK THEN. SO THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
YEAH, BUT WE'LL MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS PRIOR TO RECORDATION.
YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE ACCESS PRIVATE ROAD ALONG THE WEST SIDE.
IT'S REALLY THE EAST SIDE, RIGHT? CORRECT. EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE TOWNHOMES WILL FACE EAST OR THEY'LL FACE WEST.
I'M CONFUSED. THE RIGHT SIDE IS FACING EAST.
IS THE NORTH ARROWS CORRECT? I JUST MISSPOKE AND SAID WEST.
THE TOWNHOMES THEMSELVES, THE TOWNHOME ITSELF, IS IT GOING TO FACE EAST OR IS IT GOING TO FACE VALDERAS? IT'S GOING TO FACE TO THE EAST TOWARDS THE PRIVATE ROAD.
SO THEIR BACKYARD IS GOING TO BE UP AGAINST VALDERAS.
OKAY. THAT'S HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY LAID OUT ON THE ORIGINAL PLAT WITH THE 16 LOTS.
I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO WANDER TOO FAR OFF THE RESERVATION.
BUT THE THE PLAN FOR VALDERAS STREET IN THE HENDERSON ROAD LAYOUT SHOWS THREE LANES,
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A THROUGH STREET, A LEFT TURN LANE, AND A LANE GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.SO BASICALLY WHAT IS THERE NOW IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
I JUST. THERE'S THREE LANES ON THE SOUTH OF HENDERSON.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO BECOME MORE ON OTHERS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, OTIS, IS THIS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT FENCING OR IS THIS LATER ON THE FINAL PLAT? WE WOULD DEFINITELY RECOGNIZE YOUR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
DECORATIVE FENCING WOULD WOULD MOST LIKELY BE RECOMMENDED IN THIS SITUATION WROUGHT IRON.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE WROUGHT IRON.
I MEAN, DECORATIVE FENCING WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I MEAN, FOR ME, IT WE'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS.
EVERY RESIDENT IS THESE BIG DEVELOPMENTS COME IN AND PUT THESE FENCING UP ALL AT ONE TIME, AND THEN PEOPLE PATCH THEM AND PIECEMEAL OVER THE TIME BY EACH RESIDENT.
WE'VE GOT TO GET AWAY FROM THAT AND WE'VE GOT TO PUT IT TOWARDS IT'S CONSIDERED A COMMUNITY FENCE.
YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
THIS, THIS. FENCES THAT FACE A COMMON THROUGH ROAD, YOUR EXTERIOR.
YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN HOSPITAL DRIVE AND SEE HOW GREAT THAT LOOKS.
I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THAT WE LOOK AT THAT.
TYPICALLY THERE ARE PILASTERS IN BETWEEN THE.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE THE WHOLE THING.
I'M JUST THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME WAYS TO INSTEAD OF JUST STRAIGHT WOOD.
AND YOU WOULD SEE THE THAT FALLS DOWN AT THE FIRST STORM.
WILL THERE BE A SIDEWALK? SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED IN THIS SITUATION.
SO ARE THERE GARAGES ALSO FACING.
THE GARAGES ARE ON THE BACK SIDE RIGHT.
SO THE GARAGES ARE ALSO FACING TOWARDS THE EAST.
CORRECT. SO THEY BUILT THIS PRIVATE ROAD JUST TO LIMIT THE ACCESS POINTS TO TWO.
SO YES, THE TOWNHOMES WILL HAVE DRIVEWAYS FACING TOWARDS THE EAST TOWARDS THE PRIVATE ROAD.
WAS THIS SUBDIVISION ALREADY INCLUDED IN OUR WATER COUNT? IT SHOULD BE.
THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE, I THINK, 5 OR 10 YEARS AGO.
RIGHT? YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND. THE REPLAT. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? WITH THE RELABEL OF THE EASEMENT? YEAH. I THINK YOU WERE SAYING SOME RECORDING.
WE WOULD PREFER IT TO BE DOMAIN.
CORRECT. AND WE WOULD FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMEND MY MOTION TO APPROVE THE REPLAT WITH THE RECORDING, AS I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH, COUNCILMAN BOOTH SUGGESTED, WHICH WAS WHAT? A UTILITY AND DRAINAGE UTILITY.
UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
OKAY. SO I HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION.
ANY FURTHER ITEM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
REGULAR AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER NINE.
[9. Discussion and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 20240827-009 2024 Annual Service Plan Update for the public improvements in the Greystone Public Improvement District (PID), and approving the updates to the 2024 Assessment Roll, in accordance with Chapter 372 of the Texas Local Government Code.]
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240827.[00:55:08]
ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 372 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AND YOU CAN FIND THAT IF YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU.
THERE ARE THREE PARCELS THAT PREPAID.
AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL WERE AWARE OF THAT.
AND THEN WE UPDATED ALSO ON PAGE FIVE THE SERVICE PLAN.
SO 24 DROPPED OFF AND 29 WAS ADDED ON BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THAT FIVE YEAR LOOK FORWARD.
IN THE PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE PIT ACT, AND THAT BREAKS DOWN WITH THE TOTAL ANNUAL INSTALLMENT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE, AND I SAY ANTICIPATED BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT CAN CHANGE ARE THE ANNUAL COLLECTION COST.
SO WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ARE SET.
SO IT SHOWS EVERY PROPERTY ID THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PID, THEIR PROPERTY ADDRESS ALONG WITH THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, THE LOT TYPE WHICH IN THIS PARTICULAR PID, THEY'RE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE LOT TYPE, THE OUTSTANDING BALANCE.
IF SOMEBODY SHOULD DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO PREPAY THEIR ASSESSMENT THEY WOULD NEED TO CALL P3 WORKS AHEAD OF TIME TO GET A PAYOFF BECAUSE IT'LL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DUE TO INTEREST RECALCULATION.
THREE WORKS WILL SUBMIT THIS ASSESSMENT ROLL.
IF YOU APPROVE THE PLAN TONIGHT TO BRAZORIA COUNTY, FOR THEM TO INCLUDE ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS.
WHEN THOSE GO OUT IN OCTOBER, THEN THE NEXT PAGE IS YOUR PROJECTED ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS.
AND THE NEXT PAGE IS THE LOT TYPE CLASSIFICATION.
THIS ONE'S PRETTY SIMPLE. THEY'RE ALL ORANGE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ONE LOT TYPE.
IF WE HAD MULTIPLE LOT TYPES YOU'D HAVE DIFFERENT COLORS.
AND THEN THE LAST PAGE OF IMPORTANCE IS NOT NUMBERED.
AND IT'S CALLED THE GREYSTONE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT RESIDENTIAL LOT HOME BUYER DISCLOSURE I THINK WE HAD COUNCIL WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, OR AT LEAST SOME CITIZENS WEREN'T AWARE THAT IT EXISTED.
WHENEVER I WAS HERE BACK IN FEBRUARY, MARCH TIME FRAME.
AND SO THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT RESIDENTS WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST INTERESTED IN, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED WITH THIS DOCUMENT EACH YEAR WHEN WE UPDATE THE SERVICE PLAN SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT WHAT THE OUTSTANDING ASSESSMENT AMOUNT IS ON THEIR PARCEL.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WEBSITE.
IT'S P THREE WORKS.COM AND ANY CITIZEN CAN GO TO IT, TYPE IN THEIR PROPERTY ID IF THEY HAVE IT, THEIR ADDRESS, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT THEY CAN TYPE IN GREYSTONE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
IT'LL COME UP. THEN THEY CAN FIND THEIR ADDRESS THAT WAY.
THERE'S MANY WAYS THAT THEY CAN SEARCH ON OUR WEBSITE TO FIND THE INFORMATION THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE, AS WELL AS CLICK ON A LINK THAT'LL OPEN UP A ELECTRONIC COPY OF THIS UPDATE THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING FOR ACTION TONIGHT.
SO HOW ARE THE RESIDENTS NOTIFIED AS FAR AS GETTING THIS DATA EVERY YEAR? SO EACH YEAR, YEAR IN WHICH THE ASSESSMENT PLAN IS APPROVED, EACH YEAR THEY GET NOTIFIED THROUGH THEIR TAX BILL THAT GOES OUT IN OCTOBER OF THE ASSESSMENT.
WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
OKAY. THEY CHARGE A VERY NOMINAL FEE FOR THAT SERVICE.
SO. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. SO THERE IS A CLEANUP ITEM THOUGH IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
OKAY. SO, JUDITH, IF YOU CAN GET WITH BOND COUNCIL, I'LL GET I'LL TELL HER.
IF YOU'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION, MR. BOOTH, THAT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE REVISED IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEN JUDITH CAN GET WITH BOND COUNCIL.
THEY PREPARE THOSE ORDINANCES.
FOR LETTING US KNOW. I KNOW IT CAN GET YOU SOMETIMES.
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ANYTHING OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW? PAST DUE.I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE COLLECTION REPORT.
MAIER. AND I SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO ASK ME THAT QUESTION.
USUALLY, IF THERE ARE, I'M NOTIFIED OF IT.
AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY NOTIFICATION FROM OUR ADMINISTRATION TEAM THAT THERE ARE ANY PAST DUES.
OKAY. AND EVERY LOT IS ACCOUNTED FOR.
SO EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A HOUSE ON IT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR PIT.
SO WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY IS WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PIT ASSESSMENT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. YES, SIR.
OKAY. COUNCIL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240827009. THE 2024 ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE.
THE NAME OF THIS APPEARED IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE ORDINANCE.
SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. ANDREW. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
ITEM NUMBER TEN. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240827010.
[10. Discussion and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 20240827-010 2024 Annual Service Plan Update for the public improvements in the Green Trails Public Improvement District (PID), and approving the updates to the 2024 Assessment Roll, in accordance with chapter 372 of the Texas Local Government Code.]
THE 2024 ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND THE GREEN TRAILS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND APPROVING THE UPDATES TO THE 2024 ASSESSMENT RULE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 372 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THE PROPERTY ID IS LISTED ON PAGE THREE.
AND HOPEFULLY COUNCIL MEMBER BOOTH, IT DOESN'T SAY GRAVESTONE IN THE WORD.
OKAY. JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY AGAIN.
WHO PAYS THE ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES? SO THOSE ARE DIVIDED UP AMONGST ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PIT EACH YEAR.
YES. IT'S THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT GETS RECALCULATED EACH YEAR.
AND IT DOES TEND TO LEVEL OUT.
WHEN SOMEONE PAYS THEIR PAY IT OFF THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS GOES AWAY.
AND THAT LOT TYPE THEN IS CALLED THEIR PARCEL ID NUMBER THAT THEY'RE ASSIGNED BY CAD.
AND SO WE RECALCULATE ALL OF THE INTEREST.
IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INTEREST, ALL THAT THAT ALL GETS RECALCULATED.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LOT TYPE ONCE THEY MAKE A PARTIAL PREPAYMENT.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240827010.
THE ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN GREEN TRAILS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND APPROVED THE UPDATES TO THE 2024 ASSESSMENT ROLL.
SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
LET'S DO IT AGAIN. ITEM NUMBER 11.
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240827011.
[11. Discussion and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 20240827-011 2024 Annual Service Plan Update for the public improvements in the Kiber Reserve Public Improvement District (PID), and approving the updates to the 2024 Assessment Roll, in accordance with chapter 372 of the Texas Local Government Code.]
THE 2024 ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE FOR THE PUBLIC, IMPROVEMENTS IN THE KHYBER RESERVE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND APPROVING THE UPDATES IN THE 2024 ASSESSMENT ROLL IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 372 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE TONIGHT, I PROMISE.
THERE WERE NO PREPAYMENTS PARTIAL OR FULL ON THIS PARTICULAR PID.
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AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE LAST TWO.THESE ARE ALL CASH BIDS THAT WERE DONE IN ANGLETON A FEW YEARS BACK.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
IN THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE IN THE INSTALLMENTS, YOU KNOW THESE AREN'T VERY FAR OFF FROM EACH OTHER.
SOME OF THEM ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT WHAT'S COMMON FOR YOU TO SEE ON TOTAL COST OF A PID? I MEAN, BEING PASSED ON TO A HOMEOWNER BETWEEN $1,500 2000W.
WHAT DO YOU HONESTLY MAIER? IT VARIES CONSIDERABLY.
SO A LOT DEPENDS ON THE INVESTMENT.
SO THERE'S A SPECIAL BENEFIT THAT GETS CONFERRED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN THE PID.
AND SO, YEAH, IT DOES IT VARIES.
AND IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE TOO, YOU KNOW.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON IT.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF VARIABLES INVOLVED.
QUITE A FEW, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE LOW END ABOUT 1800 AND THE HIGH END 4000 RIGHT IN THERE.
OKAY. BUT A LOT DOES DEPEND ON SURE.
YOU KNOW, THE INVESTMENT THAT'S MADE, THE NUMBER OF LOTS, ALL OF THAT.
SO CASH VERSUS BONDED KIDS CAN MAKE A LITTLE DIFFERENCE TOO.
SO THEN THEN THERE'S THAT ONE PIECE THAT, THAT I KNOW YOU'RE NOT OVERLY FOND OF.
AND THAT IS IF YOU HAVE A BUY DOWN WITH A TERSE THAT CAN AFFECT IT AS WELL.
SO THAT'S NOT ONE OF THEM THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT THOUGH.
OKAY. HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
COUNCIL. I'M ON A ROLL OVER HERE.
I MOVED TO ACCEPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 20240827001, APPROVING THE 2024 ANNUAL SERVICE PLAN UPDATE FOR THE PUBLIC, IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RESERVE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, AND APPROVING THE UPDATES TO THE 2024 ASSESSMENT ROLL.
I'LL SECOND THAT AND I WILL MAKE A CORRECTION THAT IS DASH 011.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTEN TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? THERE'S QUITE A FEW HOUSES GOING UP IN SECTION TWO.
TO. OH, YES. IT'S ALMOST FULL OF NEW ONES.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT, CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
[12. Discussion and possible action on the Austin Colony Development, located on CR 44, Anchor Road and Tigner St. regarding proposed changes to the Development Agreement for the Public Improvement District (PID) and the approved Land Plan, previously established by Tejas Angleton Development LLC and the City of Angleton. ]
REGARDING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND THE APPROVED LAND PLAN PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED BY TEXAS ANGLETON DEVELOPMENT, LLC AND THE CITY OF ANGLETON.ANYBODY WANT TO START OR DO WE WANT TO GO RIGHT TO MR. RAY? I'M JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE MR. WAYNE RAY. HE'S GOING TO PRESENT HIS REQUEST BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND STAFF IS HERE, AS WELL AS P3 REGARDING THE FIRST ITEM OR THE SECOND ITEM, THAT IS THAT MR. WADE MR. RAY WILL PRESENT TO YOU.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LAND PLAN, WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THOSE AS WELL.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.
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COLONY. CURRENTLY, IT'S AT $0.70 PER HUNDRED.WE WANT TO TAKE IT TO A DOLLAR AND A QUARTER PER HUNDRED.
TO COMPARE OUR PYD WITH WINDROSE COLONY, WHICH IS ANOTHER NEW DEVELOPMENT, FAIRLY NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE SAME.
AND I'VE GOT A RECENT BID FROM THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
BUILDERS WILL PAY ME TODAY $70,000.
I'VE GOT TWO NATIONAL BUILDERS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED STRONG INTEREST.
I'VE GOT TWO LOCAL BUILDERS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED STRONG INTEREST.
EVERY ONE OF THEM ARE AT THE SAME PRICE.
I THINK THE MAYOR AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE.
I DON'T LIKE BIDS AND I DON'T LIKE MUDS.
I THINK IT'S JUST A WAY TO GIVE ATTORNEYS AND BOND SALESMEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY.
WHY DON'T WE JUST CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE PER LOT AND GET IT OVER WITH? NO, BUT I TELL YOU, YOU CANNOT DEVELOP A SUBDIVISION IN THE HOUSTON AREA WITHOUT A MUD OR A PIT.
I'VE POUNDED THE TABLE TO D.R.
YOU GOT TO HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY UNDERCUT.
THEY DON'T PAY US THE COST TO DEVELOP THOSE LOTS.
NOW THE NEXT THING IS, DOES THIS COST THE CITY ANY MONEY? WELL, IN FACT, MY PROPOSAL, THE CITY MAKES MORE.
THE CITY MAKES A HALF $1 MILLION MORE.
ALL RIGHT. THE ASSESSMENT RATE FOR $0.70.
THE THE BONDS WOULD BE ONE $0.70.
THE CITY WOULD RECEIVE $1,386,510.
UNDER MY PROPOSAL HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, THE CITY WOULD RECEIVE 1.9 MILLION 224,701, SO A NET INCREASE TO THE CITY OF 538,191.
SO IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY ANY MONEY NOW ALSO.
AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BASIS OF WANTING TO INCREASE THAT ASSESSMENT FROM $0.70 TO 1.25.
THE HOMEOWNER KNOWS WHAT THIS ASSESSMENT IS.
THERE'S THE REPUTABLE BUILDERS ARE NOT GOING TO SURPRISE PEOPLE.
AS FAR AS INCREASING THE PID, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
OR WE COULD GO INTO MY SECOND PROPOSAL.
LET'S. I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY YOU SAY THAT THE CITY WILL RECEIVE MORE MONEY, WHICH IS TRUE FROM THE PIT ASSESSMENT, BUT AREN'T WE JUST TURNING AROUND AND SENDING THAT RIGHT BACK TO YOU? BECAUSE WE COLLECT THE MONEY ON THE PID, BUT THEN WE'RE TURNING AROUND AND SENDING THAT MONEY BACK TO YOU.
SO WE'RE JUST NO MONEY FOR US, RIGHT? WELL, EXCUSE ME, I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED.
UNDER THE ANGLETON PID POLICY, THE CITY GETS 10% CORRECT AND KEEPS 10% OF THAT PIT MONEY.
SO AT 10% OF 10% OF THE MONEY OF THE BONDS, AND THE BOND CALCULATIONS THAT I AM USING WERE FURNISHED TO ME BY F.S.
BONDS. OKAY, SO I DIDN'T JUST MAKE THEM UP.
YEAH. BUT YOU'RE ALSO REQUESTING ON SECTION ONE, THREE, FOUR TO DROP IT TO 5% FOR THE CITY.
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EXCUSE ME. YOU'RE ON SECTION ONE, THREE, FOUR.YOU'RE YOU'RE REQUESTING TO DROP IT FROM 10% TO 5% FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT IS WHERE WE BUILD THE MAJORITY OF TIGNOR ROAD.
RIGHT? CORRECT. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT 10% DOWN TO 5% JUST FOR THOSE.
AND THEN FOR FIVE THROUGH NINE, THE ROADS ALREADY BUILT FIVE THROUGH NINE.
SO DON'T WE LOSE UNDER THIS? EXCUSE ME SIR. SORRY I INTERRUPTED YOU.
GO AHEAD. UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, YOU MAKE HALF A MILLION.
YOU WOULD MAKE OFF THAT TEN AND 5%.
500 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE MADE IF WE JUST LEFT IT AT 7%.
HOW MANY LOTS ARE IN ONE, THREE, FOUR PROPOSED LOTS ARE THERE? 286. 286.
286. LOTS WILL ONLY GET 5% IN THE BALANCE.
AND YOU'RE TELLING US THAT'S GOING TO STILL NET US MORE MONEY? YOUR QUESTION WAS HOW MANY LOTS ARE THERE IN? ONE THROUGH? AND ONE THROUGH FOUR.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION. YES, SIR.
1134. SO HALF, BASICALLY HALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE.
NET. HAS ANYBODY DONE THE MATH ON THAT.
EXCUSE ME. ONE THROUGH FOUR 212 312 312 THREE.
12. HAS ANYBODY CHECKED THAT MATH? CITY. NO, I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE.
SO ANDREA WITH P3 HAS DONE SOME OF THE NUMBER CRUNCHING.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. THAT'S WHAT I'M.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING BECAUSE I MEAN.
AND ANDREA, CAN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, TALK TO US REAL QUICK? AM I OFF BASE HERE? I COULD BE. WE JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK.
WE JUST KIND OF TRUST BUT VERIFY AROUND HERE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I JUST IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT.
SO. SO I SHOW AN IMPROVEMENT AREA.
LOT. TYPE 326, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 290.
OKAY. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF WE REDUCE THE CITY'S. I GUESS RETURN ON THE ASSESSMENT OF THE PID FROM 10% TO 5% ON SECTIONS ONE THROUGH THREE, FOUR, ONE THREE, FOUR, ONE THROUGH FOUR.
BUT. WHICH WAS, I GUESS ORIGINALLY A 7% OR EXCUSE ME, 0.7% ASSESSMENT AND RAISING THAT ASSESSMENT TO 1.25% FOR THE BALANCE.
LIKE, I MEAN FOR ALL OF IT I GUESS.
BUT IT'S ONLY ARE WE ARE WE STILL, LIKE HE SAID, POTENTIALLY MAKING HALF $1 MILLION, SAVING A HALF $1 MILLION MORE IN THE ASSESSMENT OF THESE BIDS? I DIDN'T I DIDN'T DO THAT CALCULATION, SIR.
WELL, BECAUSE HE'S HE'S SELLING IT TO US.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING SOLD.
I DID NOT DO THAT CALCULATION.
NO, BUT BUT WHAT I HAVE IS THAT THE GROSS BOND PROCEEDS THAT COULD BE ANTICIPATED IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER MOVING IT TO THE 1.25, WOULD BE ABOUT $15.2 MILLION.
AND THEN THAT EQUATES TO IF YOU REDUCE IT FROM, WELL, THE CURRENT POLICY IS 10%.
527 AND IF YOU REDUCE IT TO 5%, THEN THAT WOULD BE $763,950.
AND THEN I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER NUMBERS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
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MAYOR PRO TEM. NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO DO MY MATH IN MY HEAD.NO, I UNDERSTAND YOU TAKING THAT 700,000 AND SUBTRACTING THAT FROM WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO GET OFF OF THE OTHER SECTIONS OTHER THAN ONE THROUGH FOUR. AND THEN.
AND THEN WITH THE 5% INCREASE OR WITH THE I'M SORRY WITH THE 0.5.
THANK YOU. TRAVIS. INCREASE WHAT THAT DIFFERENTIAL IS, HOW MUCH MONEY THAT IS.
HE'S ALMOST DOUBLING THE TAX RATE.
SO, YEAH, YOU FIGURED THAT INSTEAD OF 10%, WE'LL GET FIVE.
BUT ACTUALLY, IT'D BE BETTER IF WE GOT 6% TO EQUAL IT OUT.
BUT I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING OUR.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU ATTENDED LAW SCHOOL A WHILE BACK.
I DID TOO, AND SO I KNOW A LITTLE I ACTUALLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CONTRACT LAW.
BUT I DO REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT CONSIDERATION A WHOLE LOT.
GOT TO BE A MEETING OF THE MINDS.
SO I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF IF THAT WOULD, IF BE IN FACT YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE FACT THAT WE WOULD IN RETURN POSSIBLY BENEFIT BY TAKING IN A LITTLE MORE TO GIVE YOU THE THINGS YOU'RE ASKING FOR, TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
AND SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO DO.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT A THE NUMBERS YOU'RE GIVING US ARE CORRECT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE YOU SAID, VERIFY.
AND THEN I THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY, YOU KNOW, THE CONSIDERATION PORTION OF A CHANGING OF A CONTRACT WOULD BE US RECEIVING SOME BENEFIT.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT TO GO BY.
MR.. MR.. RAY AND HIS GROUP ARE PROPOSING TO DEDICATE A RIGHT OF WAY FOR PARTICULAR STREET, AND IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY, BUILD A BOULEVARD SECTION, TWO LANES IN, TWO LANES OUT, WITH A MEDIAN IN BETWEEN, FROM A, FROM A.
IF YOU LOOK PURELY AT THIS SUBDIVISION, STAND ALONE.
IF IT WERE BUILT SOMEPLACE ELSE BESIDES RIGHT HERE, ALL THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
NECESSARY WOULD BE A 28 FOOT WIDE STREET.
THAT'S RIGHT. WOULD NOT NEED A WOULD NOT NEED A BOULEVARD THROUGH THAT SUBDIVISION.
BUT TO SEE WHAT I SEE THE CITY STANDING TO GAIN AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR GAIN IS THE ANOTHER MAJOR STEP TOWARD ANOTHER EAST WEST CROSSTOWN CONNECTION, WHICH WOULD BRING YOU FROM THE INTERSECTION OF, WELL, TOTALLY FROM DOWNING ROAD ALONG CANON DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO ANCHOR ROAD.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL GETTING DOWN INTO THE NUMBERS AND STUFF, BUT I SEE THE CITY IS IS BENEFITING IN GETTING A BOULEVARD SECTION THROUGH THERE THAT IF IT WAS SOMEPLACE ELSE, YOU WOULDN'T BE GETTING A 28 FOOT WIDE STREET.
ENCHANTED OAKS. ENCHANTED OAKS DRIVE.
MOVE THE INTERSECTION FROM WHERE IT IS OVER TO MORE.
SO THIS THIS HELPS MOVE THAT FORWARD TO.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE THEN HAVE CONNECTIVITY BACK UP CAR ROAD TO HENDERSON ROAD.
SO I APPRECIATE US WANTING TO NOT TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING.
TAKEN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I SEE THE CITY GAINING A PRETTY BIG, PRETTY BIG ASSET.
AND IN TAKING ON THIS, THIS, THIS BOULEVARD SECTION, I NO DOUBT THAT'S THAT'S ADMIRABLE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THE MAN SAID THAT THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE 500 ADDITIONAL $1,000.
AND I WANT TO SEE WHERE IT'S AT.
IT'S IN THIS BOULEVARD THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD.
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
WE'VE ALREADY NEGOTIATED THAT THOUGH.
YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED.
THEY'RE ALREADY OFFERING SAYING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.
CECIL. THIS IS THE REST OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE.
HE AND HE SAID THAT ARGUING WITH YOU, TANNER.
I'M JUST LETTING EVERYBODY REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET WITH THIS.
I JUST WANT IT. IF WE'RE MAKING A CHANGE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FIGHTING.
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THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT FOR THE CHANGE.I'M NOT ARGUING FOR OR AGAINST THE CHANGE.
I'M JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY THAT THINGS TEND TO GET FORGOTTEN AS YOU GO ALONG FOR YEAR AFTER YEAR.
SO LET'S ALL BE REMINDED OF WHAT? YEAH, I MEAN, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IN THE BIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO EXTEND THAT ROAD.
WELL THE GOOD SNAKE SPEAKS TO BOTH POINTS.
THE COST OF THAT ROAD IS $3 MILLION.
THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT HAPPEN IF IT DOESN'T GET DONE RIGHT.
THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK FOR US.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN MAKE UP THE MONEY THAT WE LOSE.
WE CAN GET OUR ORIGINAL CAPITAL BACK.
AND WE CAN HAVE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT TO GET BUILDERS, TO GET INVESTORS, TO GET GET IT DONE.
I'VE GOT TO HAVE THIS INCREASE.
IF I DON'T GET IT, IT'S IT'S JUST DEAD IN THE WATER LIKE IT'S BEEN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
I'VE BEEN BEATEN UP BY THE INVESTORS, I'VE BEEN BEATEN UP BY THE BUILDERS.
I MEAN, I'M I'M NOT THERE YET, BUT I'M CLOSE AS IT RELATES TO THE NUMBERS ON THE HALF.
THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE HALF PERCENT I WANT TO FIND I MADE A MISTAKE AND I APOLOGIZE.
WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS IF THE COUNCIL VOTES TO APPROVE THE 1.25 ASSESSMENT THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE AFTER WE BRING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BACK BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO PREPARE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND WORK MY NUMBERS AND SCRATCH MY HEAD.
IT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT, BUT WITHOUT THAT 5% IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT I'D RATHER WALK OUT OF HERE TONIGHT WITH THE 1.25 AND LET'S GET THE ALSO, I HAVE OTHER WHAT I CALL HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, SOME DATES AND SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND GET THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO WE COULD GO GET THAT DONE, DOESN'T BRING YOU BACK HERE.
AND THEN IF YOU IF YOU COUNCIL SAYS, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, THEN WE HAVE THE 1.5.
I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILMAN BOOTH THAT THE THAT THE ROADWAY IS, YOU KNOW, AN EXCEPTIONAL GIFT TO THE CITY FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO MISTAKE.
AND AND I THINK THAT 5%, 5% OF THE OF THE, OF THE RETURN THAT WE WOULD EXPECT IS WELL WORTH THAT TO TO TO HELP ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.
BUT WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES A STATEMENT SAYING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A RETURN, WELL, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF US, MOST OF US ARE EARS ARE GOING TO PERK UP AND SAY ALL RIGHT, WELL GRAB THE CHALK AND SHOW US HOW IT'S GOING TO OCCUR BECAUSE WE'RE CURIOUS.
AND AGAIN, AS A AS I SAID BEFORE AND AS HIS COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND AGREED.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF LIKE A CHIEF BACK THERE.
WHERE? TRUST BUT VERIFY, RIGHT? CORRECT. NO, NO, IT AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD FAITH MISTAKE, BUT IT'S IT'S JUST WRONG.
MR. RAY, REAL QUICK, BEFORE WE GO DOWN ANY MORE.
ANDREA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
CAN YOU COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LOTS, JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT, ANDREA? YES, I AM AWARE. OKAY.
SO THE NUMBER YOU GAVE ME, DID THAT ALREADY HAVE THOSE PULLED OUT AND MOVED OVER? CAN I GET MY LAPTOP? YES, MA'AM.
OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU.
RIGHT? WE'RE LOSING 26, 33 LOTS, 26 LOTS MOVED FROM PHASE THREE TO PHASE NINE.
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SO THEY GO FROM THE 10%, OR THEY GO FROM THE 5% BACK TO THE 10% BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE ONE THROUGH FOUR, THEY BECOME SECTION NINE, CORRECT? THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THAT NEEDS TO BE.SO AREA ONE, LIKE I SAID, DOES INCLUDE MAYOR PRO TEM 290 LOTS.
SO THEY'RE MOVING SECTION THREE LOTS THAT WERE LOCATED NORTH OF TIGNOR, CORRECT TO SECTION NINE.
RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER.
WHAT IS IT, 26? I BELIEVE SO. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER, MAYOR, BUT.
IS IT? ARE YOU COUNTING THEM? OH, MY. 28.
OKAY. SO, WHAT I WANT TO GET AT MISTER RAY IS THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND TALKED ABOUT AND ITS CONSIDERATION.
YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN QUITE AT LENGTH ABOUT THAT SECTION, PHASE NINE.
I GUESS THAT REALLY AND TRULY IS THE LAST PHASE AND IS ZONED FOR, WE'RE HOPING COMMERCIAL.
RIGHT. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE 28 LOTS EXTENDING THAT COMMERCIAL AREA.
REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION? OH, YEAH. SO THAT'S A CHANGE THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE WILLING TO MAKE.
OH, YES. RIGHT. YOU GOT A SURVEY.
I MEAN, A NICE DRAFTED PLATFORM.
THAT'S NICE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE WILL COVER.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO PUT A SACK IN AND THEN USE THAT AS COMMERCIAL.
CORRECT. AND AND JUST A LITTLE AND I WILL GET BACK TO MR. TOWNSEND'S COMMENT, BECAUSE THIS I DO AGREE WITH WHAT HIS PREMISE IS, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CALLS FOR A FOUR LANE DIVIDED ROAD WITH A MEDIAN.
IT MUST BE IRRIGATED, PLANTED AND LIGHTED, AND IT HAS TO HAVE PREMIUM CEDAR FENCES.
NOW, IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, I'M NOT GUARANTEEING WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT ONE OF THE BUILDERS WANTS TO PUT IN SOME BRICK POSTS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE STRONGLY.
I BELIEVE THIS THAT THIS ROAD, ONCE IT'S IN, WILL HELP US TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE LOTS THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED. CORRECT? I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'RE WE'RE WE FOUGHT THIS AND THE THEN MAYOR PRO TEM JOHN WRIGHT JUST WAS BEATING ME UP.
I MEAN, I COULD I HAD TO CRAWL OUT OF HIS OFFICE TO GET TO THE CAR TO GET BACK.
I DIDN'T BEAT YOU UP. NO, BUT HE HE WAS VERY EMPHATIC.
AND THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I AGREE WITH HIM.
AND SO WE PLAN TO HAVE SOMETHING REALLY NICE HERE.
ARE YOU. WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FOR THIS? WELL, QUITE FRANKLY, I'M VERY NICE.
YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU ALREADY GOT.
IT'S JUST IT'S JUST GOING TO GO FORWARD WHERE IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING DOWN FOR TWO YEARS.
RIGHT? IT DOESN'T SAY HOW THE GROSS IS TO BE ACCUMULATED, BUT 10% OF THE GROSS.
YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT WE MAY GET AN ADDITIONAL $500,000? I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT WOULD BE.
MY, AS LONG AS WE ADHERE TO THE PIT POLICY OF THAT, WE RECEIVE 10% OF THE GROSS PIT BOND PROCEEDS, AND I'LL BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
BUT IF WE LOSE MONEY, THEN IN EXCHANGE FOR YOU TO EXTEND OUT TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL, BUT AT LEAST IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY FOR US TO LOSE MONEY ON THIS DEAL.
WELL, THE CITY IS GOING TO MAKE MONEY BECAUSE THE BONDS.
WHAT IS THE GROSS PROCEEDS? IT'S THE SELL THE BONDS.
OKAY, WELL, I'LL JUST ASSUME YOU SELL THE $10 MILLION DOLLAR BOND.
YOU GET $1 MILLION, RIGHT? OKAY. AND THE DEVELOPER GETS 82% OF THE OF THE BOND PROCEEDS.
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SO WE END UP WITH 82% OF THAT BOND PROCEEDS.ALL I'M POINTING OUT IS, IS WE PUT A POLICY SOMEWHERE.
CITY OF ANGLETON CREATED THIS BID POLICY, AND IT HAS A PERCENTAGE OF TEN TO RETURN TO THE CITY.
AND I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE ADHERING TO OUR POLICY.
JUST HANG ON A MINUTE. WE SAID YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO REDUCE THIS 5% OFF THAT TEN.
SO THAT MEANS THAT IF THAT 700 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE WERE GOING TO MAKE 500, THAT'S ACTUALLY 1.2 OR SO MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE OFF THE OTHER LOTS BECAUSE WE HAD TO MAKE UP THE THE 700 AND SOMETHING THAT WE PULLED, REDUCING THE.
SO IT WASN'T JUST $500,000, IT WAS OVER A MILLION CUMULATIVE.
WELL THE TOTAL BOND PROCEEDS AT $0.70 IS $24,000,671.
SO 10% OF THAT IS $2.4 MILLION.
THAT'S THE BOND TO THE GROSS AMOUNT OF BOND PROCEEDS.
IF YOU GOT 562 LOTS, YOU GOT $13.8 MILLION.
THE CITY WILL GET 1.3 MILLION.
EXCUSE ME, MR. FOREMAN. DID YOU KNOW HE WAS HERE? THE BOND COUNSEL IS HERE.
I TALKED WITH JULIE PARTAIN THE OTHER DAY AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS ANY PAYMENTS, 5 OR 10% CANNOT COME FROM BOND PROCEEDS.
YOUR PID POLICY AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AREN'T LINING UP WITH WHAT THEY SAY.
THE DEFINITION HERE AT THE FRONT OF OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MIMICS WHAT'S IN YOUR PID POLICY. BUT BACK WHEN IT ADDRESSES IT, IT DOES NOT.
WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WITH BOND COUNSEL IS A SEPARATION, WHICH YOUR PID POLICY ATTEMPTS TO DO, A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS AND ANY KIND OF PAYMENT.
OKAY. IN ANY KIND OF PAYMENT NEEDS TO BE TIED TO SOMETHING, RIGHT? LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
SO LET'S JUST CLEAR THE THOUGHT OF AND DISCUSSION OF ANY KIND OF PERCENT OF BOND PROCEEDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE PYD POLICY DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS PROCEEDS.
IT ADDRESSES THE VALUE OF THE PYD.
RIGHT. 5 OR 10% OF THE VALUE OF THE PYD.
AND IT DOESN'T TIE THAT TO BOND PROCEEDS.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH BOND COUNSEL ON THAT PARTICULAR MATTER.
OKAY. SO JUST WANT TO BE SURE AND GET THAT OUT THERE OUT FRONT, OR AT LEAST MIDWAY THROUGH THE DISCUSSION THAT YOUR POLICY NEEDS SOME CLARIFICATION.
WELL, AND TO TO JUMP ON THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT'S CALLED A PID ENHANCEMENT FUND.
SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT ALL ALONG TO SEPARATE.
BUT I THINK THE WATER HAS GOTTEN MUDDIED.
AND BY THE WAY, BOND COUNCIL PREPARED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO SHE JULIE CALLED IT THE PID ENHANCEMENT FUND.
SO I AGREE THAT JULIE IS GOING TO HAVE TO SUPERVISE AND HOW WE DO IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT NO, WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR INTO IT.
WE JUST GOT TO THE POINT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION, THAT THERE'S NOT DIRECT ALIGNMENT IN THE PID PYD POLICY IS VERY CLEAR THAT ANY FEE THAT WOULD BE DUE TO THE CITY IS DUE BEFORE ANY ISSUANCE OF BONDS.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT JULIE BROUGHT UP TO DISCUSS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE PID ENHANCEMENT, I DON'T KNOW.
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DO WE HAVE A CALL THIS THURSDAY? YES. THERE YOU GO.WE'LL WE'LL HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR SURE.
SO, JOE, BEFORE YOU WALK OFF THE WE'RE ENTITLED TO 10%.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY, WE'RE ENTITLED TO 10% OF THE GROSS PID.
BUT WE'RE WE CAN OPTION TO FIVE.
WE CAN SAY WE ONLY TAKE 5% BECAUSE WE'RE ENTITLED UP TO TEN.
OR AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, YOU MAY WANT TO REVISE THE POLICY COMPLETELY.
THERE YOU ARE. THANK YOU FOR THE EMAIL WITH THE CLARIFICATIONS.
OKAY, MR. RAY? WELL, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING WHO GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON THE AMOUNT ON HOW THE CITY RECEIVES THE MONEY. AND IF I HAVE USED SOME JARGONS OR SOME TERMINOLOGY THAT IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DOCUMENTS, I'M LOOKING AT IT MORE AS WHAT DOES IT COST ME? AND FRAMING IT LIKE THAT.
AND IF I CREATED SOME PROBLEMS. BUT WHATEVER WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK ON THAT.
LET ME GET MY NUMBERS CORRECT.
BUT IF WE COULD GET A VOTE AND HOPEFULLY A POSITIVE VOTE ON INCREASING THE RATE SAID TO YOU, AND THEN THE SECOND PART WOULD BE THE REDUCTION IN THE IN THE 10% TO 5% ON SECTIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR.
BUT WE COULD WORK THAT OUT AND BRING IT BACK.
COUNCIL CAN APPROVE IT OR NOT APPROVE IT, BUT WE'D HAVE THE 1.25.
OKAY. AND JUDITH, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THAT TO 1.25, THAT HAS TO COME BACK THROUGH THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT CURRENTLY WAS AMENDED ONE TIME.
RIGHT. THE BOND COUNSEL, JOE AND I WILL HAVE TO DISCUSS IT.
IT MAY BE TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO START OVER, WHICH IS EXPENSIVE.
BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, WE'LL DO A SECOND AMENDMENT.
BUT I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT SOME OF THE PROVISIONS IN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STATE THAT THE CITY HAS THE OPTION IF THERE'S NOTHING BUILT TWO YEARS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE, TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT, WHICH I'M SURE MR. RAY PROBABLY IS AWARE OF THAT, WHICH IS WHY HE WANTS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDED.
SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PROVISIONS IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TRIGGERED AMENDMENTS BY VIRTUE OF CHANGING OTHER PROVISIONS. AND WE HAVEN'T ASSESSED THAT YET BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY.
OKAY. SO I REMINDED THE COUNCIL THAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED IN JUNE OF 2021.
THE POLICY WAS SIGNED IN JULY OF 2021.
YEAH, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT INTEREST RATES MOVE.
AND I MEAN, WE ALWAYS WANT THINGS TO GO FASTER.
AND I AT LEAST APPRECIATE MR. RAY COMING BACK EACH TIME WITH AN ISSUE AND COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE, WE APPROVE STUFF AND DEVELOPERS JUST WE DON'T HEAR FROM THEM.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS PROMISED, WHAT YOU KNOW.
SO YOU'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH US.
YOU'VE BEEN TELLING US WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I KEEP SEEING.
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I, WE GET ASKED ALL THE TIME ABOUT THAT STUB ROAD AND WHY CITIZENS HAVE TO GO DOWN A DANGEROUS ROAD ON WILKINS AND HENDERSON AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A GATEWAY INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD HAVE THE FENCING, THE LIGHTING, THE WALKABILITY, THAT WOULD BE VERY BIG FOR US.I MEAN, WE HAVE FOUGHT QUITE A BIT ON THIS, MR. RAY, ABOUT LOT SIZES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I AM NOT A FAN OF PIDS, BUT I UNDERSTAND.
AND IF WE'VE GIVEN AWAY A LOT MORE FOR A LOT LESS, THAT'S MY BIG THING.
SO HERE'S MY THIS IS MY I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
BUT FROM MY LIKE 300FT IN THE AIR PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE I'M MISSING THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THE ASSESSED ASSESSMENT RATE FROM 0.7 TO 0.125.
SO THAT HE CAN HELP BUILD HIS ROADS AND TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO GET TAKEN CARE OF.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE DECREASING OUR TAKINGS FROM 510% TO 5%.
YES, ON THE FIRST FOUR PHASES.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO THIS RIGHT, IF WE DON'T CHANGE OR MODIFY OUR TERMS, WE DON'T GET THE ROAD.
YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING SO WELL.
SOMEBODY ELSE BUYS IT, AND THEN WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT A PRIME PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO SUDDENLY LOSE ITS VALUE.
I THINK THERE'S I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAT MR. RAY GIBBS. AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY I SEE IT.
AND I'M ONE OF SIX, AND THEY CAN ALL GO YOUR WAY, AND THAT'S FINE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE 10% OF THE THAT'S AND TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO HIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE NOT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING LESS.
DOES IT SAY ABSOLUTELY 10% OR UP TO 10%? I DON'T KNOW. SEE.
SO I JUST KNOW WHAT IT SAYS HERE IN OUR THAT'S A POINT OF THE.
WE CAN MAKE IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
BUT I PROMISE YOU, THE NEXT TIME A PIT COMES BEFORE US, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT AUSTIN COLONY? THEY ONLY GOT 5%.
WHY ARE YOU MAKING 10% FROM US? AND IF YOU'RE LIABLE TO LOOK THEM IN THE EYES AND SAID, SORRY, THEY BUILT US A NICE ROAD.
THAT'S FINE. BUT I KNOW HOW IT'S BEEN AROUND HERE.
ONCE THE DOOR HAS BEEN OPENED, NOBODY GOES BACK.
SO THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE A THAT MAKES IT ONE THAT MAKES ONE PERSON.
YOU KNOW FUTURE KIDS ARE GOING TO COME ABOUT.
YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND PRESENTED OPTIONS.
I AND IF WE'RE WILLING TO TO TO TAKE LESS TO GET THE ROAD, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I ALSO HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO LOOK OTHER PEOPLE IN THE FACE AND SAY, YOU DIDN'T BUILD, YOU KNOW, TIGNOR ROAD OR TIGNOR AVENUE OR TIGNOR BOULEVARD OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
I GET IT. BUT HE'S THINKING ABOUT $0.70 A DOLLAR ON THE TAX.
OKAY. AND YOU INCREASE IT TO $1.25.
YOU LOSE YOUR PERCENTAGE SOMEWHAT, BUT YOU'RE STILL THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE TAKING IN IS IF IT'S 5% IS ALMOST EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AT 10% ON $0.70.
AND THAT'S NOBODY'S DONE THAT MATH.
BUT I MEAN, MR. RAY SAYS IT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
YEAH. MR.. RAY SAYS IT. AND THEN MAYBE IN THE END.
AND IF IN THE END, TERRY, IF YOU'RE RIGHT, IF IN THE END, WHAT WE WOULD GET, THEN I'D BE SATISFIED.
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RIGHT. I MEAN, EVEN IF WE TOOK 5%, IF WE'RE IN THE END, WE'RE INCREASING THE FUNDS THAT THEN WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE WHEN WE INITIATED THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN JUNE OF 2022. I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.BUT I DON'T WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS DO WE WANT TO GO FROM 0.7073 TO 1.25? HE'S NOT ASKING FOR THE 5 TO 10% RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT IS EXACTLY 100%.
HE WANTS TO GO BACK AND DO THE MATH ON THE FIVE AND THE TEN.
I'M JUST GRABBING UP PAGE SIX.
WE'VE GOT THE 5%, PAGE SIX, PAGE SIX.
WE DON'T HAVE IT ALL DECIDED THEN.
AND I WILL DO MY MATH AND SCRATCH MY HEAD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE WE COULD GIVE THE CITY TO, TO, TO TO GET IT. YOU KNOW, CITIES, WHEN DEVELOPERS DEVELOP, WHEN DEVELOPERS BUILD SOMETHING OR DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT IS GREATER THAN THE REQUIREMENT TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC UTILITIES, CITIES ISSUE IMPACT FEE ME CRINGE.
THIS IS A FORM OF AN IMPACT FEE CREDIT BECAUSE THIS ROAD IS MORE THAN WHAT WAS NECESSARY.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT MAYOR RICE SAID IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.
IF I CAN GET THE 1.25 AND THE HOPE OF THE HALF, I CAN GO FORWARD.
I CAN, AND I NEED TO DESPERATELY GO FORWARD RIGHT NOW.
I'D JUST LIKE TO THROW ONE THING IN THERE.
THE DEVELOPER HAS PAID $50,000 PURSUANT TO THE PID POLICY.
AND IF WE EXHAUST THE FEES, THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO INVOICE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A KEY COMPONENT OF JUMPING OFF AND HAVING TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK ON COUNCIL WORK.
P3 HILLTOP AND YOUR CITY ATTORNEY WORK.
I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THAT'S THE CASE, AND I JUST WANT TO DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE ACTION ITEM THAT I'M LOOKING AT HAS ATTACHMENT WITH A, WHICH INCLUDES FOUR PARTS.
RIGHT. BUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING FOR IS ONLY NUMBER ONE.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S IN HERE IN THE ACTION.
I KNOW, I'M JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE ACTING HERE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO INCREASE THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT RATE PROVIDED IN ARTICLE ONE, SECTION 1.0 2B2 FROM A MAXIMUM ASSESSMENT RATE OF 0.7073% PER HUNDRED TO A MAXIMUM ASSESSMENT OF 1.25%, AND WE WILL COME BACK AND REVIEW THE 510% AT A LATER DATE.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN STANTON.
I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
AND MR. RAY, YOU DID HEAR WHAT JUDITH DID SAY ABOUT THE FEES FOR HAVING TO GO BACK AND AND LOOK AT THE THE PID AND THE THE THE AGREEMENT.
THOSE CHARGES WILL BE PASSED ON.
AND IF IT WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TROUBLE IF I COULD GET MAYBE A COST ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO COST THEN WE WOULD, ASSUMING THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, WE WOULD PREPAY IT.
BUT NO, I, I FULLY EXPECT TO PAY THE CITY'S LEGAL FEES AND KID THREE.
ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. ON A ON A LIGHTER NOTE, THE ROADWAY AND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING TO DO IS, IS, YOU KNOW, AS MAYOR WRIGHT SAID, IS AND I THINK COUNCILMAN BOOTH SAID IS PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYBODY'S DONE FOR THE CITY THUS FAR.
IT'S IT'S NOT A SMALL THING, AND I DON'T TAKE IT AS SUCH.
I KNOW I SOUND A LITTLE ROUGH.
THAT MEANS A LOT. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO PLAY MEA CULPA HERE, I MEAN.
I ASKED YOU NOT TO BELIEVE THAT I'M ARGUING WITH YOU.
I'M TRYING TO FIGHT WHAT I THINK FOR THE CITY.
MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE THINKS I'M JUST UP HERE FIGHTING, BUT I'M NOT.
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I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CANTANKEROUS OR DISAGREEING.I DO, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE CITY.
NO, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AND RESPECT IT.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD TO THE NEXT DEVELOPER COMES IN HERE.
WELL, YOU GAVE MR. RAY IF I GET WELL, MR. RAY BUILT A $3 MILLION ROAD.
WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED. YOU WANT TO BUILD ONE FOR $3 MILLION? WELL, I'M DOING THIS.
I'M DOING THAT AND JUST OPENS UP THE.
THE NEXT PITCH IS GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD HENDERSON ROAD THAT WAY.
SO THE NEXT PITCH IS GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD HENDERSON ROAD, WHETHER THEY FRONT ON IT OR NOT.
EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, I WAS SITTING HERE TONIGHT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HARRINGTON ROAD AND I WENT I FEEL SORRY FOR THE DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO GET CLOSE TO THAT ROAD. NOT REALLY TRUE.
WELL, AND YOU SAY WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD, BUT IN A LOT OF WAYS, WE'RE LOOKING BACKWARDS BECAUSE THERE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME ALONG THAT HAVE COME UP RECENTLY AND THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE PAST THAT HAVE THAT HAVE CAUSED ISSUES.
I COULD GO DOWN A LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS LIKE CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE UNRECOVERED COSTS TO THE CITY AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. AND YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, REALLY BEAT ON BY THE CITIZENRY TO KEEP A HANDLE ON THESE THINGS. I KNOW EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US HEARS THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO ENJOY THE CITY SERVICES.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IF HE ONLY BUILDS SECTIONS ONE THROUGH 3 OR ONE THROUGH FOUR.
WELL, SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE REVISE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT NORMALLY THE BONDING IS BY IS BASED ON THE PHASES AND THE SECTIONS.
RIGHT. SO TYPICALLY SO PRESUMABLY IT WOULD BE NICE AND NEAT AND TIDY THAT WHATEVER WAS DONE WAS ALREADY BONDED AND JUST THE REST WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
IT WOULD BE DEFAULTING ON THE AGREEMENT.
SO SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF NOT FINISHING SECTION ONE THROUGH FOUR IS ALMOST ALL TAKING THE ROAD.
YEAH, YEAH. BY VIRTUE OF THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO.
RIGHT? YES. BY THE WAY, I MEAN, HE'S GOT TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
COUNCIL ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING I.
THANK YOU. NOW WE HAVE TO SHARPEN OUR PENCILS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO GET.
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT, I REALLY DO.
I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL.
THANK YOU. JOHN, CAN I ASK THAT WE TAKE NUMBER 13 AND MOVE IT TO AFTER WE DISCUSS HURRICANE BERYL, WHICH IS NUMBER 21? THEY KIND OF NEED TO BE THEY KIND OF NEED TO GO TOGETHER AND MAYBE JUST KEEP MOVING.
[14. Discussion and possible action to approve the Construction Manager at Risk Contract for King Municipal Operations Center Project.]
THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN YOUR PACKET, IS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACT FOR THE KING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS CENTER.GREAT. BRANT, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND GIVE THEM KIND OF A NEXT STEPS? IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO LET'S LET'S GET GOING.
ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FROM BOWLES AND ARCHITECTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.
I HAVE JENNIFER KING WITH TEAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE STARTED THIS PROCESS FOR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS CENTER SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
WE INTRODUCED THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY METHOD.
TEAL WAS AWARDED THAT THROUGH AN RFQ PROCESS.
IT HAS BEEN SITTING ON BASICALLY 100% SCHEMATIC DESIGN DRAWINGS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
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THAT'S TAKEN SOME TIME.IT'S BEEN EXHAUSTIVE, BUT IT'S BEEN VERY CAREFULLY, METICULOUSLY LOOKED AT.
AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE AT THAT POINT TONIGHT WHERE I BELIEVE BOTH PARTIES ARE READY TO EXECUTE THAT.
SO FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE ARE SITTING VERY MUCH ON GO.
BUT AGAIN, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONSTRUCTION DELIVERY METHOD, IT WOULD BE DISADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO KEEP DESIGNING UNTIL WE HAVE A QUALIFIED CONSTRUCTION MANAGER TO COME IN AND VALIDATE THOSE COSTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN BUDGET.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO GET STARTED TONIGHT AS SOON AS TEISSL HOPEFULLY IS APPROVED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
IF THIS MOTION PASSES TONIGHT, WE WILL HIT SEND ON THE BUTTON.
TOMORROW. THOSE SCHEMATIC DESIGN DRAWINGS WILL GO TO TEAL AND THEY WILL START WORKING ON THAT FIRST SCHEMATIC DESIGN COST ESTIMATE AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL IN BUDGET.
THAT TAKES 2 OR 3 WEEKS OR SO.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THEN WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE OF THE DRAWINGS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A TAKE ON WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS TO MISS KING AND MYSELF? YES, SIR. WHEN WE FIRST HAD OUR DISCUSSION, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOUR GROUP WAS GOING TO DO WAS LOOK AT THE DESIGN, FIND OUT WHERE THE COST OVERRUNS WOULD BE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WERE DOING THE ARCHITECTURE, THE DRAWING.
CORRECT. WE DRAW ONLY WE DON'T SWING A HAMMER, WE DON'T POUR CONCRETE.
RIGHT. AND TO THAT POINT, WE DON'T DEAL WITH THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT DO THAT EITHER.
SO WE KNOW CONSTRUCTION PRICING, CORRECT.
GENERAL CONTRACTORS KNOW CONSTRUCTION PRICING TO A MUCH MORE INFINITE AMOUNT.
BUT SINCE WE DON'T DEAL WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS, MATERIALS, VENDORS, SUPPLIERS ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, YOU KNOW, OUR CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES COULD BE 10 TO 15% OFF, WHEREAS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER GENERAL CONTRACTOR DEALS WITH THEM ON A DAILY BASIS ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS, MULTIPLE SIZES.
THEY KNOW CONSTRUCTION PRICING TO A MUCH MORE GREATER DETAIL.
AND WITH BUDGETS BEING WHAT THEY ARE, WITH THE VOLATILITY IN CONSTRUCTION MARKET THAT THERE IS WITH THE PRECIOUS FUNDS THAT THE CITY IS GUARDING THEIR FUNDS BY, WE FELT IT IMPERATIVE TO CONSIDER THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT RISK.
AND SO IF THERE WAS ANY MISINTERPRETATION ABOUT WHAT AN ARCHITECT DOES, MY APOLOGIES.
WE WE KNOW CONSTRUCTION PRICING, BUT NOT NEAR TO THE POINT THAT A GENERAL CONTRACTOR DOES.
WE'VE GOT THE CONTRACT. THEY'RE BRINGING THE CONTRACT.
THEN IF IF YOU APPROVE THE CONTRACT TONIGHT, LIKE BRIAN SAID, THEN TEISSL IS GOING TO PROCURE UNTIL IS GOING TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE THINK THE COST WOULD BE, BECAUSE YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE CONTRACT THERE'S A RANGE.
OKAY. AND WE DO THE ESTIMATES THROUGHOUT EVERY PHASE THAT HE, THAT HE DOES.
SO WE'LL START YOU SAID SCHEMATIC.
THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST ESTIMATE.
SO THE CONTROL ESTIMATE AND SO DEPENDING ON THE DRAWINGS WE DO TALK TO SUBCONTRACTORS AT THAT TIME.
WE JUST DID ONE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THIS IN PEARLAND.
SO BRANT PUTS TOGETHER A PLAN.
IS THIS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT? CAN WE DO IT IN A BETTER WAY? YOU SEE THIS EVERY DAY.
HOW CAN WE HELP WITH GETTING THE MOST EFFICIENT AND COST EFFECTIVE BUILDING THAT YOU NEED? AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THIS.
IT'S NOT JUST US PROVIDING COST.
IT'S ALSO US PROVIDING Y'ALL WITH CONSTRUCTABILITY AND THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING LIKE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING? WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO GET STARTED.
OKAY. I KIND OF HIJACKED THE QUESTION RIGHT THERE, BUT.
COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
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SO, COUNCIL DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACT WITH TEAL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE KING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS CENTER PROJECT.SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR APPROVAL.
FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR TEAL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ANY DISCUSSION? YOU SAID YOU'VE HAD, I GUESS, THE ARCHITECT DRAWINGS FOR A WHILE NOW.
JUST THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PORTION, ALMOST CONCEPTUAL.
WE NEEDED TO START THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE FOR THE OCCUPANTS, THE USERS OF THAT BUILDING, THAT WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING BASED UPON THE PROGRAM AND INFORMATION WE GOT FROM THEM WAS A GOOD STARTING POINT.
DID IT AT THIS POINT WOULD CONCEPTUALLY AND SCHEMATICALLY MEET THEIR NEEDS.
SO WE KIND OF PUT OUR ARMS AROUND A BIG PACKAGE.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY THIS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT'S GOING TO OCCUPY THESE TYPES OF FUNCTIONS.
OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE BUILD THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN PACKAGE WITH.
BUT IT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO YOU HAVEN'T GOT INTO THE DETAILS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOOD THING ABOUT HAVING A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK ON BOARD IS THAT, QUITE HONESTLY, YOU LEAVE AN OWNER AND AN ARCHITECT BY THEIR OWN DEVICES, YOU LEAVE THEM ALONE, AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN BUDGET.
WELL, NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANTS SAY, HEY, CAN WE DO THIS? SURE. HEY, CAN WE ADD THIS? SURE. CAN WE HAVE THIS? I THINK SO.
AND THEN ON BID DAY, YOU OPEN UP THE BIDS AND YOU'RE 40% OVER BUDGET DEAL WILL BE THE WATCHDOG.
WHAT'S YOUR TIME FRAME? WE BELIEVE THAT IF WE GET STARTED TONIGHT, HE'LL TAKE THIS FIRST SCHEMATIC DESIGN, WHICH AGAIN, WE CAN DELIVER TO THEM TOMORROW.
THAT SCHEMATIC DESIGN, SET OF DRAWINGS.
THEY'LL GET THAT TO THEM TOMORROW.
THEY'LL TAKE 2 TO 3 WEEKS TO GIVE US THAT FIRST CONTROL ESTIMATE.
BUT REALISTICALLY, FOG GETS PROBLEMATIC.
THE HOLIDAYS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT SO WE'RE PUSHING FOR THE END OF JANUARY.
SO HE'LL DO HE'LL DO SD, THEN HE'LL DO DD.
DURING THAT TIME WE'LL HAVE OUR GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
SO THAT'S OUR BID DAY, WHICH AGAIN WE WELCOME OWNERS TO BE THERE TO LOOK AT NUMBERS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO ALL THE TIME.
AND SO YOU'LL HAVE MULTIPLE ESTIMATES.
SO AND EACH ONE YOU GET A VARIANCE REPORT.
SO YOU GET TO SAY HEY WHY DID THIS CHANGE BETWEEN SD AND DD.
AND SO WE CAN GO AND SAY, OH WE ADDED THIS OR THIS, YOU KNOW THINGS LIKE THAT ON IT.
OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
MR. MAYOR, JOHN PETERSON WAS SUPPOSED TO UPDATE US ON NUMBER 15.
SO I RECOMMEND WE POSTPONE THAT TO A FUTURE MEETING.
OKAY. WE WILL NOT TAKE ANY ACTION OR DISCUSS.
16. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO INSTALL A SPEED HUMP ON PINEY WAY.
[16. Discussion and possible action to install a speed hump on Piney Way.]
HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ALREADY DID? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.THAT SPEED HUMP THERE IS DIFFERENT IN THE ASPECT THAT IT'S BUILT INTO THE ROAD.
YOU MILL INTO THE ROAD AND THEN SET IT IN PLACE.
SO IT'S GOING TO HOLD UP A LOT BETTER VERSUS THE CURRENT ONES THAT ARE INSTALLED.
AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SPEED HUMP THAT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THAT INSTALLATION INTO THE ROAD AND ALSO REACHED OUT TO OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANY ISSUES WITH THE OPTIONS WE WERE LOOKING AT.
AND THIS WAS THE BEST OPTION FOR EVERYBODY.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE NARROWED IT DOWN AT HDI IS OBVIOUSLY THE LOW BIDDER.
HOW MUCH WAS IT? $8,500 FOR HDR.
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IS THAT 8500 FOR BOTH AREAS? BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO ON THERE NOW.ARE WE JUST GOING TO DO THIS FOR ONE OF THOSE? IT'S FOR BOTH AREAS.
IT IS FOR BOTH, YES. AND THAT'S PRETTY PERMANENT ISN'T IT? CORRECT. YES.
CORRECT? YES. VERSUS THE ONES NOW YOU CAN JUST TAKE THEM OUT AND YOU'RE DONE.
AND THAT'S NOT A BUDGETED ITEM.
CORRECT. JUST LIKE THE FIRST SET.
WAS IT A BUDGETED ITEM EITHER.
RIGHT. IN THE FIRST SET IT WAS HOW MUCH? AGAIN, I THINK SINCE WE DID IT IN HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OUR STAFF INSTALLED.
I THINK WE ENDED UP SPENDING $2,700 TOTAL.
RIGHT. WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE IS PRETTY COMMON.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY VERY COMMON ON CUT, CUT THROUGH ROADS.
YEP. TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN IN HOUSTON NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M AROUND.
TO AWARD A CONTRACT TO HCI FOR $3,500 FOR THE SPEED HUMPS ON.
ANYWAY, SECOND, IT'S 8500, BUT YES.
CAN WE REUSE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON PIONEERING.
POSSIBLY. WELL, ONCE ONCE WE GET THEM OUT, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
YES, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO ON A SIMILAR ROADWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AN ASPHALT ROADWAY, ONE LIKE MAYBE THAT'S A FEW HUNDRED YARDS TO THE NORTH OF IT.
ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR APPROVAL.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE GET PAID FOR IT.
HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? WELL, AND RELATED TO THAT IS CAN WE APPROVE IT AND MAYBE POSTPONE THE INSTALLATION TO A TIME THAT IS MAYBE A LITTLE MORE SUITABLE TO THE CITY? COME ON. NEW BUDGET.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT? I MEAN, WOULD THAT THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION AS WELL, JUST TO TRY TO PUSH IT OFF UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET AND PAY FOR IT THAT WAY.
YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME SITUATION WITH THIS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST AS WELL.
OKAY. BUT THEIR BID WON'T BE THE SAME.
I DON'T SEE IT CHANGING IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
YOU KNOW. THREE DAYS FROM THE END OF AUGUST.
ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE WANT TO ASK THEM TO START IT IN OCTOBER? CORRECT. THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
OKAY. SO ARE YOU GOING TO ISSUE A IN ORDER TO PERCEIVE 1ST OCTOBER? YES. CORRECT.
DOES ANY PART OF THE MOTION? I THINK SO, YES.
I MEAN YOUR MOTION. AMEND MY MOTION TO ISSUE A NOTICE TO PROCEED ON OCTOBER THE 1ST, 2024.
AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
WELL, HE GOT HERE JUST IN TIME.
[17. Update and discussion on the Brazosport Water Authority rate increase and water quality by Morris Massingill.]
HI, MORSE.GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY ALLOWING ME TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED OR NOT PROPOSED, THE RATE INCREASE YOU'LL BE FACING FOR THE 2425 FISCAL YEAR FROM BREST PORT WATER AUTHORITY IS 13% OF THAT.
13%. 7% IS THE INCREASE TO FUND TERRORIST RESERVOIR THAT YOU
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ALL HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO AND SUPPORTED.SO AND THE OTHER 6% IS THE IT BASICALLY TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION.
YOU KNOW THERE'S NO SMOKING GUN OUT THERE.
THERE'S NO ONE THING THAT IS DRIVING IT.
YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTORS HAD BWA.
WE'VE HAD WORKSHOPS TO REVIEW THE AND WORK THROUGH THE BUDGET.
BUT TO MAINTAIN THE OPERATION.
YEAH, A 6% INCREASE IS, I BELIEVE, A REASONABLE AMOUNT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE CHEMICALS WE HAVE TO PAY THE PRICES WE'RE PAYING FOR THE THE PRODUCTION COSTS.
WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN RAW WATER SUPPLY COST ROUGHLY 10%. WE'RE SEEING ELECTRICITY PRICE INCREASES AS WELL, BUT A LOT OF IT IS THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY WILL BE USING THEORETICALLY.
WELL, IT'S GOING UP AS THE THE ROWE PILOT PLANT IS IN OPERATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE WELLS ARE RUNNING. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
THE YEAH, I'VE GONE THROUGH IT, THE NUMBERS.
AND I CAN SEND YOU A LIST OF ANYTHING OVER 10%, IF THAT WILL HELP.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE VALID.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ONE GEARBOX OUT ON A CLARIFIER.
IT'S OVER SIX MONTH DELIVERY FOR A GEARBOX.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A $500,000 BILL TO HAVE IT REPLACED BY THE TIME YOU GET THE GEARBOX IN AND PAY THE LABOR.
I MEAN 10% OF A DOLLAR IS $0.10.
BUT YOU KNOW WELL BUT WELL GIVE ME SOME OKAY.
THEY CAN KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO GET PASSED ON TO THEM.
AND PER THOUSAND DOLLARS PER THOUSAND GALLONS, THEY'RE GOING TO IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING YOU'RE LOOKING AT 13% INCREASE.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU UP TO FROM 407 PER 1000 GALLONS TO FOUR 60 PER 1000 GALLONS.
$4.07 PER THOUSAND GALLONS IS YOUR $0.60 PER 1000 GALLONS.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF CENTS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OKAY.
AFTER COMING OUT OF THE BWA MEETING.
IT'S WHEN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THE THE TOTAL REVENUES FOR BWA IS 26 ARE EXPECTED TO BE $26 MILLION NEXT YEAR, BUT THE BALANCE IS OUT WITH THE EXPECTED EXPENSES.
BUT YEAH, IT'S CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS AND IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL HOMEOWNER IS NOT GOING TO SEE THAT BIG OF A RATE CHANGE.
THE HARRIS RESERVOIR PROJECT, I ASSUME Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE FACTS.
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AND ALTHOUGH THEY DID MISS THE SIZE OF THE RESERVOIR EVER SO SLIGHTLY AND YEAH, WHEN WE CAN NO LONGER GET WATER FROM THE OUT OF THE BRAZOS RIVER IN THE SUMMERTIME.HOW LONG WILL THAT CONTINUE TO? WHAT? WELL, A 7% INCREASE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HARRIS RESERVOIR.
SO HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THE HARRIS RESERVOIR CONTINUE TO BE CONSTRUCTED? YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A RATE INCREASE EVERY YEAR UNTIL FORECASTED FOR THE HARRIS RESERVOIR.
I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW.
ARE WE TALKING SINGLE DIGITS? DECADES. WHAT ARE WE TALKING DECADES? PERPETUITY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THAT RESERVOIR FOR A LONG TIME.
THE. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE BONDS FROM IT.
THEY DO. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY SWAPPED.
THE QUALITY OF THE WATER WAS DUE TO A TURNOVER IN THE LAKE WATER.
BASICALLY, THE WATER THAT WAS ON THE BOTTOM WENT TO THE TOP.
AND, YOU KNOW, TOP TO THE BOTTOM.
IT'S A FROM WHAT I'VE READ, IT'S A NORMAL OCCURRENCE AT LAKES THAT FREEZE OR WATER SUPPLIES THAT FREEZE ANNUALLY OR SO.
DURING THAT COLOR AND ODOR EVENT, THE WATER THAT BW WAS THE RAW WATER SUPPLY LOOKED LIKE COFFEE.
OKAY, EXCEPT WITH A LOT MORE PARTICULATE MATTER IN IT.
BUT MY CONCERN IS WITH THE ADDITIONAL RESERVOIR WE'RE PUTTING IN, ARE WE GOING TO FLOW OUT OF THOSE RESERVOIRS ON A, SAY, LIKE A SET SCHEDULE? SO WE DON'T IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHICH RESERVOIR WE WERE FEEDING OUT OF.
BOTH RESERVOIRS EXPERIENCE THE SAME, SAME THING.
OKAY. BECAUSE THE THE WIND AND THE RAIN CHILLED THE SURFACE.
AND SO YOU GOT TO TURN OVER AND THE, THE AGITATION OF IT, IT STIRRED THE, THE WATER UP AND, YOU KNOW, IT DID.
IT IS AN UNUSUAL EVENT FOR US DOWN HERE.
THE PLANTS CAPABLE OF PURIFYING IT, MAKING IT PALATABLE.
BUT GETTING COLOR OUT IS A MUCH TOUGHER TASK THAN.
BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED WHICH RESERVOIR.
BOTH OF THEM DID THE SAME THING.
WELL, IF IT IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER.
THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO THE VELASCO DRAINAGE DISTRICT.
THEIR MAJOR DRAINAGE CHANNELS TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AND THE WATER WAS AS BLACK AS COAL.
THEY WERE. THEY WERE PUMPING RAW SEWAGE.
AND IT ENDED IN THE FREEPORT AREA.
IT'S SOME SORT OF A PHENOMENON THAT WORKS.
THAT HAPPENS NOT VERY OFTEN, BUT I'M GLAD YOU REPORTED THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO.
YEAH. I MEAN, IT WAS A TURNOVER.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE FEEDING OUT OF THE BRAZORIA WERE A RESERVOIR.
THE WATER IS COMING OUT OF BUFFALO BAYOU.
WHEN WE'RE FEEDING OUT OF HARRIS RESERVOIR, THE WATER'S COMING DOWN THE OYSTER CREEK.
AND YES, THE WATER IN THOSE FLIPPED AS WELL.
IT WASN'T JUST THE RUSHING WATERS THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING THEY COULD DO IS YOU KNOW, ADJUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER WAS SAFE TO DRINK AND INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF DISINFECTANTS TO YOU KNOW, TO YOU CAN DO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COLOR, BUT YOU CAN'T DO A LOT ABOUT THE COLOR.
IT ANYWAY, BUT Y'ALL WERE ASKING ABOUT THE.
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HARRIS. STREET. THE ANNUAL INCREASES.THE 2425 BUDGET IS $4.60 PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT THAT HAS TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE FORECAST IS 509 FOR 2526. 556 FOUR 2627.
AND BASICALLY IT INCREMENTS UP.
THE. WOOD PIE CHARTS HELP TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW WHERE YOU WANT TO SEND ME SOME PIE CHARTS.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE IT'S A FIXED, FIXED COST VERSUS VARIABLE COST? I'D LOVE TO KNOW THE FIXED COST OF BWA OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, EXCLUDING PROJECTS LIKE THE HARRIS RESERVOIR AND THE DESAL PLANT.
OPERATIONAL COSTS, FIXED COSTS.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
HOW MUCH OF A PERCENT OF INCREASE ARE THE EMPLOYEES GETTING THIS YEAR AT BWA? 3%. OKAY.
DO YOU WANT. YEAH, AND I'LL DEFEND THAT AND WISH IT WAS MORE BECAUSE.
HAVE YOU TRIED TO HIRE PEOPLE WITH A WATER LICENSE? YES. SO YOU UNDERSTAND THEN THERE IS A REASON, OF COURSE.
BUT YOU KNOW, MORRIS, THE ONE THING IS, YOU KNOW, BWR IS A QUASI GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION, AND BUT THEY'RE BEHOLDEN TO NO VOTER.
AND HERE IN THE CITY, WE HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS, LIKE SOME PEOPLE DON'T GET RAISES EVERY YEAR.
BUT IN BUE'S CASE, THERE'S NEVER A QUESTION OF ARE THEY OR ARE THEY NOT GOING TO GET A PAY RATE INCREASE? IT'S ALWAYS HOW MUCH? YOU KNOW, I READ AN ARTICLE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND I RESURRECTED IT THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
YOU LOOK AT 2012 TO 2022, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE HAS GONE UP ABOUT 27% KEGGER DURING THAT TIME.
THE SOUTHERN STATE AVERAGE IS 26%.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY WITH BWA ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT THEY CAME TO US AND SAID WOULD HELP, BUT NONE OF THAT'S COME TO FRUITION YET.
YOU KNOW, DESAL PLANT, IT'S STILL BEING WORKED ON.
WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL EVER COME UP ONLINE.
YOU KNOW, THEY ALL CAME TO US LAST YEAR WITH HARRIS RESERVOIR EXPANSION AND EXPLAINED TO US THAT WE HAD TO DO THIS BECAUSE THAT'S JUST I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. THE BRAZOSPORT WATER SUPPLY SITUATION, WHICH IS QUASI THE SAME.
NO, I HAVE NO ASSOCIATION WITH THE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION.
IN ANY DECISION YOU MADE ABOUT AGREEING TO THAT INCREASE IS ON YOU, NOT ME.
CORRECT. NO ONE ASKED MY OPINION.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE NOT JUST FOR CITY OF ANGLETON, BUT FOR ALL CITIES.
NOT A CAPITAL DOLLAR EVER SPENT THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE.
WE GET IT AFTER THE FACT, MAURICE?
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NO, YOU DO NOT. SO RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU.WELL, YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO 7%.
OKAY, I'LL TURN IT DOWN TO SIX.
OKAY, SO CAN WE TURN DOWN THE SIX? WE CAN'T. RIGHT.
OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SACRIFICE THE QUALITY OF THE WATER? WELL, I THINK JOHN IS JUST ILLUSTRATING A POINT THAT THAT I'VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME.
ONCE WE JUMPED INTO BED WITH BWA.
AND I THINK JOHN MAKES AN EXCELLENT POINT.
Y'ALL ARE A QUASI GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WITH NO VOTER RECALL.
WE HAVE NO RECOURSE FOR ME TONIGHT.
NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU.
IT'S YOU'RE TAKING IT PERSONAL.
IT'S NOT. IT'S IT'S THEIR DECISIONS MAKE UP IT AT THE HIGHER LEVELS.
AND THEN IN THE FICTIONAL FIGURES AND FACT FIGURES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING, AND WE ARE SOLD THINGS AND WE'RE TOLD HIGHER QUALITY, MORE ASSURANCES, MORE ACCESS TO WATER.
WHAT ALL I'VE SEEN IS RISING EXPENSES AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN MET.
AND THAT'S. AND MAYBE I'M OVERSIMPLIFYING THINGS AND THAT'S NOT YOU.
THAT'S NOT THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU.
THIS IS JUST YOU THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE PORT WATER AUTHORITY IS VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE PERFORMANCE OF OUR CONTRACTOR FOR THAT DESAL UNIT.
AND BUT WE'VE REVIEWED THE CONTRACT AND THEY'RE MEETING THEIR CONTRACT.
I WAS NOT AROUND IN 2015 WHEN THAT CONTRACT WAS SIGNED.
I THINK PEOPLE HAVE JUST LET BWR IN THEIR PEOPLE THEY HAVE APPOINTED TO REPRESENT THEM.
THEY A LOT OF CITIES DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT.
CITY OF OYSTER CREEK HAS NOT HAD A REPRESENTATIVE IN PROBABLY A YEAR.
NOW IN THE BIG PICTURE THERE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SMALLEST CUSTOMERS.
YEAH. ANGLETON MOVED UP TO SECOND PLACE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE A BILL, YOU SHOULD SEE ROSENBERG'S BILL.
OF COURSE, WHEN THAT DIDN'T GET MR. MADE, YOUR EXPANSION CAPACITY WAS SOLD DOWN THE RIVER.
AND IT SHOULD HAVE REDUCED THE COST BECAUSE YOU HAD MORE CONSUMERS ON THE WATER.
WELL, I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE SPREADSHEETS THAT SHOW IT DID REDUCE THE COST.
BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF OPERATORS.
IT IN THE SAME ROUGHLY THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT THE AMOUNT OF CHEMICALS, THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY ALL WENT UP TO, YOU KNOW, PUMP WATER, HOWEVER MANY MILES IT IS TO ROSENBERG.
BUT BUT ROSENBERG DOES PAY A HIGHER RATE FOR WATER THAN THE MEMBERS CITIES DO.
YEAH. I CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, MY TIME ON THE BWA BOARD.
I CONSIDER BEING APPOINTED AS A PRIVILEGE, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE TWO RESPONSIBILITIES.
ONE IS TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND ITS CITIZENS, AND THE OTHER IS TO ENSURE THAT BDA FUNCTIONS THE WAY IT SHOULD. I MEAN, HOW MANY MUNICIPALITIES HAVE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS, AS IN SEWER PLANTS THAT THEY DO NOT MAINTAIN AND CONTINUALLY HAVE VIOLATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM? I WOULD NEVER FIND IT ACCEPTABLE FOR OUR WATER THAT WE'RE SENDING TO THE CITIES TO BE A QUALITY THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING.
WE HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE DESIGN LIMITS OF THE PLANT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HURRICANES HAPPEN, AND THERE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN CONTROL AND THE THINGS WE CAN'T.
ANYWAY, I WANDERED DOWN THE PATH AND, WELL, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
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I MEAN, ALL WE'RE DOING IS JUST EXPRESSING SOME FRUSTRATIONS, BUT IT'S NOT PERSONALLY AIMED AT YOU.I HAVE THE SAME FRUSTRATIONS WHEN I SAW THE NUMBER, I.
YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD AN EXTRA MEETING JUST TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET.
IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, THE WEALTH SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DON'T YOU KNOW, LAKE JACKSON AND FREEPORT HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR WATER FOR YEARS THAT THEY HAVE NEVER TAKEN.
AND SO THEIR RATES ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN I'S.
IF AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING FOR WHAT THEY PAY.
BUT NOW NEW CITY MANAGER AND LAKE JACKSON, THEY'RE INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF BWA WATER THAT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TAKING WHAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY GOES TO ROSENBERG.
YEAH, I WHEN I READ THE CONTRACT, I WOULD NOT HAVE EVER FOUND THAT CONTRACT ACCEPTABLE.
IT WAS REALLY GOOD FOR THE ENGINEERING COMPANY.
AND SO YOU BROUGHT UP THE ROWE PLANT.
IS IT UP AND RUNNING? THE ROWE PLANT WENT DOWN WITH THE HURRICANE WITH A LOT OF LOSS OF VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVE.
IT WAS REPLACED OR REPAIRED THIS PAST WEEK, SO IT'S UP AND RUNNING AGAIN.
AND THAT DOWNTIME PUSHED BACK THE THE COMPLETION OF THE ENGINEERING PACKAGE.
THE PILOT PLANT HAD THEY WANT DATA OFF OF THE PILOT PLANT BEFORE THEY EVER COMPLETE THE DESIGN ON THE FILTERS.
CDM SMITH HAS BROUGHT IN AN ENGINEER FROM WHO HAS WORKED ON THE DESAL PLANT IN EL PASO, AND HE'S ASSISTING WITH THIS ONE NOW.
AND THE BWA BOARD HAS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO HELP GET THESE PROJECTS COMPLETED.
AND YOUR PROJECTS ARE THROUGH YOUR BUDGET.
THE ONLY THING YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE PROJECTS IS.
YEAH, THE PAYMENT FOR HARRIS RESERVOIR.
YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED PAYING FOR IT OR THEY INCREASED THE RATE OF LAST YEAR TO START PAYING FOR THE ENGINEERING FOR THAT PROJECT.
THE BONDS WERE VOTED ON AND THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. NO, I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING THEM MIXED UP.
THE BONDS WERE ISSUED BACK IN 2015.
OKAY. AND SO THAT MONEY IS JUST SITTING THERE.
IT'S ACTUALLY EARNING INTEREST.
WHICH YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH.
BUT THE THE HARRIS RESERVOIR WAS THE ONE I WAS THINKING BACK TO.
THAT'S THE THE ONES THAT THE STATE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS APPROVED, AND THAT'S ALL MOVING FORWARD. AND YOU SHOULD SEE THAT THE WORK I WOULD EXPECT WILL BE COMPLETED IN 2027.
THE RESERVOIR OUGHT TO BE FILLING IN 2028.
OKAY. AND THE LAST UPDATE WE GOT ARE ON.
THE EXPECTED COMPLETION FOR THE DIESEL WAS 2027.
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YEAH. OR WHOEVER WAS UP HERE SIGNED THE CONTRACT.YES. BUT IF YOU READ THE ENGINEERING CONTRACT, YOU KNOW IT.
THEY'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS.
CAN. IS RONNIE STILL RUNNING? THE RONNIE IS RUNNING IT.
THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT PUSH FROM THE BOARD TO GET REGULAR UPDATES FROM ON THE DIESEL PROJECT. AT LEAST QUARTERLY.
WE WANT AN UPDATED SCHEDULE TO MATCH IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SURFACE WATER TREATMENT IS EXPENSIVE.
YES IT IS. AND YEAH, BUT YOUR ALTERNATIVE IS, WELL, WATER.
AND SOMEONE MADE THE DECISION TO SURFACE WATER WAS THE WAY TO GO.
YEAH. BUT WHEN ENOUGH THE POPULATION HITS A CERTAIN POINT.
YEAH. BUT ANYWAY I WOULD DO ONE UPDATED FINANCIALS.
OKAY. DID Y'ALL NOT RECEIVE A COPY OF THE BWA BUDGET FOR 2024? I JUST GOT A LETTER.
OKAY. I WAS TOLD THAT Y'ALL RECEIVED A COPY OF THE BUDGET.
ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT IN THE MORNING.
ANYTHING ELSE? JUST IF YOU KNOW.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T. IF YOU DON'T.
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE A DROP OF WATER TO GET AT YOUR PLANT? TO OUR JAMISON PLANT.
FROM THE TIME IT LEAVES AND YOU PUMP WATER, LEAVES YOUR PLANT AND IT GETS TO THE JAMISON ROAD CUTOFF, HOW I IT'LL BE A FEW MINUTES BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONTINUOUSLY FEED ANY ONE ANYONE CUSTOMER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW WHEN IT DEPENDS ON WHO THEY'RE FEEDING AT.
IF THEY'RE FEEDING ANGLETON AND ROSENBERG AT THE SAME TIME.
THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH.
YEAH. IT'S LIKE IF THEY MAKE A CHANGE IN THE DISINFECTANT AS THE WATER IS ENTERING THE PLANT, IT'LL BE OVER EIGHT HOURS BEFORE THEY'LL SEE IT.
WHEN IT HITS THE THE END OF THE PLANT, BOTH BEFORE IT HITS THE THE STORAGE TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE KEEP MULTIPLE HOURS OF CAPACITY SITTING THERE IN CASE FOR SOME REASON WE HAD TO TRIP THE WATER INTAKES THAT THAT WE COULD STILL FEED THE CUSTOMERS.
BUT YEAH, I RAN THE VELOCITY ON THAT PIPE, BUT IT'S BEEN BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEBODY SOLD WATER TO ROSENBERG THROUGH A PIPE THAT WAS THAT SMALL.
ALL RIGHT. WE GOT THE DPW BUDGET IN JUNE, YOU KNOW, IN JUNE.
WELL. I THINK I WAS AROUND WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DRINKING BUE WATER HERE AT ANGLETON.
AND AS FAR AS I COULD REMEMBER THAT THAT TURNOVER IN THE LAKE, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE THE WORST WE'VE EVER HAD HERE IN TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN OTHER TOWNS, BUT IT WAS WELL IT WAS THE SAME.
IT WAS PRETTY BAD. IT WAS THE SAME.
I STARTED RESEARCHING THE TURNOVER, AND APPARENTLY IT HAPPENS IN THE SPRING AND THE FALL AND
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FOR WATER SYSTEMS UP NORTH.AND THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH COLOR.
BUT WE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE ORGANIC MATERIAL IN OURS THAN THEY DO.
THANK YOU. NEVER FORGET I SERVE AT YOUR DISCRETION.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.
WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN AND WE ARE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER 18.
[18. Discussion and possible action on a request for a Preliminary Plat extension for a period of one year as requested by the applicant’s agent for Windrose Green Section 5.]
THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.A PRELIMINARY PLAT IN WHICH COUNCIL APPROVED THIS PERIOD LAST YEAR.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A ONE YEAR EXTENSION ON THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AS YOU KNOW, THEY DO EXPIRE WITHIN A ONE YEAR PERIOD.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR FINAL PACKAGE.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATION HERE FROM WINDROSE GREEN.
HOW MUCH OF SECTION FIVE IS ALREADY BUILT OUT? SO SECTION FIVE IS NOT BUILT OUT THERE.
65 LOTS ARE PLANNED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PHASE.
WE DO HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WOULD SPEAK TO THAT.
SO IF I'M GOING EAST ON, WHEN I COME INTO YOUR SUBDIVISION, I GO EAST.
WHAT SECTION ARE Y'ALL WORKING ON OVER THERE RIGHT NOW? OH WELL. GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JEB COLBY WITH AMATEUR GROUP DEVELOPER FOR WINDROSE GREEN.
BUT SECTION FIVE, HE'S PULLING IT UP.
RIGHT NOW THERE ARE THERE ARE NO SECTIONS UNDER ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S ACTIVE HOME BUILDING IN SECTIONS ONE, TWO AND THREE.
AND SO SECTION FIVE IS THE ORANGE.
WE'LL BUILD A SIDEWALK TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
YES, SIR. THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING FORMED UP.
WE RECEIVED THE FINAL EASEMENT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AT THE VERY END OF JULY, AND THEY'RE FORMING IT UP RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT IN BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED, BUT IS IT GOING TO GO BY THE DETENTION? YES. BACKSIDE.
I THOUGHT I SAW A STEAK. THAT'S MY DAUGHTER THERE.
AND THEN THEY THEY'VE EXCAVATED IT OUT AND THEY'RE STARTING.
THEY'RE GOING TO START POURING ON THE SCHOOL SIDE AND THEN COME BACK TOWARD THE COMMUNITY.
BUT THAT FORM STARTED ALREADY.
I DON'T KNOW. NO, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
I'M SORRY. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION.
I JUST FIGURED YOU WERE SITTING HERE.
YOU WAITED A LONG TIME. YOU MIGHT AS WELL ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS.
EXACTLY. WOULD Y'ALL WANT AN UPDATE WHILE I'M HERE.
SURE, I'LL KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES ON THE COUNTY.
OKAY. I JUST THOUGHT WE'D HAVE SOME SAY IF IT WAS US, IT WAS NOT US.
I THINK I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY.
I KNOW THEY HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
SOMETIMES I WONDER WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY.
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SO THAT'S GOOD.AND THEN IN THE 40S, AVERAGE SALES PRICE IS 270.
IN THE 45 AVERAGE SALES PRICE IS 324,000 IN THE 50S.
AVERAGE SALES PRICE IS 358,000.
BUT HOW MANY SQUARE FOOTAGE IS FIVE 60 GET YOU? ABOUT 4000.
SO THE LOWEST SQUARE FOOTAGE BAND OUT THERE IS 1300.
156 SALES TOTAL 76 HOMES UNDER CONSTRUCTION, 90 RESIDENTS, ABOUT 90 RESIDENTS.
I'M NOT SURE ON THE EXACT NUMBER.
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER A LITTLE OVER 300 TO GO.
ALL THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT THERE IS WHAT? WE STILL HAVE TO GO.
I NOTICED Y'ALL WERE BUILDING DOWN THERE AT HENDERSON ROAD THE OTHER DAY.
ALL THOSE HOUSES ARE OUT BEING BUILT.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT AMENITIES IN THIS SUBDIVISION.
JUST WHAT WHAT ALL ARE YOU PLANNING TO PUT IN THERE THAT HASN'T BEEN PUT IN, THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN PUT IN? THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S A SMALL POCKET PARK RIGHT IN SECTION THREE JUST NORTH OF HENDERSON.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT SIDEWALKS GOING IN THERE.
BUT WE STILL HAVE A TREE PRESERVATION.
TRUE. UP BY THE TIME THAT WE'RE DONE.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TREES THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PLANT.
BUT WE CAN KIND OF CHOOSE WHEREVER IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT THEM.
PROBABLY MORE AROUND THE LAKES, ALONG THE COLLECTOR ROADS AND WHATNOT.
I THINK THEY CALLED IT A RECREATION CENTER, BUT IT WAS IT WAS OUTSIDE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF MISLEADING OR, OH, I REMEMBER HAVING THAT QUESTION.
HE CALLED A RECREATION CENTER.
BUT IT WAS IT WAS AN OUTDOOR PAVILION TYPE THING.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT PREDATES ME.
SHADE STRUCTURES AND PICNIC TABLES AND WHATNOT.
SO IT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MY MIND THOUGHT WHEN I HEARD THE WORD RECREATION CENTER.
GO AHEAD. HOW'D Y'ALL DO IN THE HURRICANE? WE DID HAVE QUITE A BIT OF WIND DAMAGE.
AND IF I'D SAY THE BIGGEST PAIN POINT WE HAVE IS HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN TO GET THAT FIXED.
THE I MEAN, THE MASONRY WALL DID WELL.
NO DAMAGE THERE, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WOOD FENCING DOWN JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE.
AND SO WE'RE JUST NOW ABLE TO GET CONTRACTORS OUT THERE.
I THINK THEY STARTED TOWARD THE END OF LAST WEEK.
AND SO THEY'RE ABOUT HALFWAY DONE WITH A LOT OF THE REPAIRS.
A LOT OF THE STREET SIGNS GOT FIXED RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET A FENCE CONTRACTOR TO, TO COME OUT THERE.
THEY'RE JUST INUNDATED WITH REPAIRS EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. BUT IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BE A FENCE BUILDER.
AND I WILL SAY FREEDOM PARK, WHICH, I MEAN, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS.
I MEAN, SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
THAT IS COMPLETE FROM A DETENTION EXCAVATION STANDPOINT.
SO THE CAPACITY, THAT REGIONAL CAPACITY IS THERE.
AND SO EVERYONE'S BEEN TIPTOEING AROUND THERE FOR A LONG, A LONG TIME.
BUT I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE.
I CHECKED ON IT TODAY AND IT'S LOOKING LOOKING A LOT BETTER.
BUT HOW DID THE FLOODING HOW WOULD YOUR FLOODING ON INTERNAL TO THE COMMUNITY? THE PONDS PERFORMED REALLY WELL.
WE I MEAN WE MONITOR IT THE THE THE NORMAL WATER SURFACE ELEVATION.
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EXCUSE ME. DURING THE STORM, IT CAME UP 4.2FT HIGHER THAN THE NORMAL WATER SURFACE ELEVATION.AND SO THERE'S STILL ANOTHER YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE TRASH LINE AS WELL, WHERE THE WATER WAS.
AND SO IT WAS ABOUT TWO, 2.5FT BEFORE IT WOULD REACH THE SIDEWALK AT THE TOP OF THE BANK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL STORM THAT WAS IF THAT WAS A 100 YEAR OR OR WHAT.
BUT AT FREEDOM PARK, I DON'T KNOW.
I DO KNOW THAT THAT THAT POND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE HYDRAULIC ENGINEER ENGINEER IN HERE ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND AND AS LONG AS IT PERFORMED AS DESIGNED, I MEAN, IT SHOULD HAVE LOWERED THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION IN THAT WHOLE AREA.
SO HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE A SENSOR ON THAT ONE.
SO WE DIDN'T MONITOR IT, BUT IT HAD QUITE A BIT OF WIND DAMAGE INTERNAL.
BUT THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED NOW.
I WILL. I WILL SAY THAT THE MAP YOU HAVE THERE, Y'ALL MISSPELLED ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL.
YEAH. I'M SORRY THAT THAT WAS NOT US.
OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WAITING.
[19. Discussion and possible action on a request for Plat extensions for a period of one year as requested by the applicant’s agent for the Ashland Development for Street Dedication 1, 2 and 3 Plats, Coral Haven Street Dedication Plat and the Ashland Water Plant Plat.]
FOR STREET DEDICATION ONE, TWO AND THREE PLATS.CORAL HAVEN STREET DEDICATION PLAT AND THE ASHLAND WATER PLANT PLAT.
NOTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AS YOU SEE ON THESE ATTACHMENTS, HAS SUBMITTED PLAT EXTENSION REQUESTS FOR THESE FIVE SECTIONS.
JUST READ OFF FOR ANCHOR HOLDINGS FOR ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR ONE YEAR DUE TO SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF COMPLETING THE PROJECT.
AND WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATION HERE FOR THIS ITEM ALSO.
I AM A PROJECT MANAGER AND ENGINEER FOR THE ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT'S. WHAT'S THE DELAY FOR YOU? WHAT'S THE REASON FOR IT? SURE. YEAH. THE BIGGEST DELAY IS CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL.
FOR ALL THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING THE WATER PLANT.
WITH THE EXCEPTION BEING THE WATER PLANT.
YES, SIR. THE WATER PLANT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S JUST NOT HAS NOT COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION.
BUT WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE.
A LOT OF THE CHEMICAL TANKS AND THINGS ARE GOING IN.
SO I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS, THAT WATER PLANT SHOULD BE ABOUT DONE.
I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GRANT THE PLANT EXTENSIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED IN THIS.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH.
FOR APPROVAL OF THE EXTENSION.
ARE YOU APPROVING IT FOR ONE YEAR? MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE A ONE YEAR EXTENSION FOR THE PLANT REQUESTED IN THIS IN THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SECOND. ALL I'M GOING TO POINT OUT IS.
ON THE LITTLE DRAWING THAT I SEE, IT STILL SHOWS THE FIRE STATION OFF BOULEVARD AND NOT KYRA
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OR FM 521.BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST POINTED THAT OUT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD OTHERWISE.
AND WE KEEP ASKING FOR UPDATES TO THAT.
WE DO TALK TO OTIS AND HIS STAFF QUITE OFTEN.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THE FEEDBACK FROM OTIS THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE AND BE UPDATED MORE FREQUENTLY ON THESE ITEMS. SO I THINK IT JUST STARTS WITH ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION.
SO THINGS LIKE THE FIRE STATION THAT I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY CAN TAKE THAT FEEDBACK BACK.
AND IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THE START OF ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WE TALK ABOUT.
OKAY. JUST WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE HEARING THAT WAS TONIGHT THE FIRST TIME YOU HEARD THAT ABOUT THE FIRE STATION? YES. SO I'M THE ENGINEER.
I'M NOT THE LAND PLANNER FOR THE SECTION, SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COME ACROSS MY DESK.
SO IT MAY JUST BE A MATTER OF GETTING IT TO A LOCATION THAT EVERYBODY AGREES TO.
WELL, A FEW WORDS NEXT TIME YOU HAVE A MEETING.
AND WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT ON THE FIRE STATION SPECIFICALLY.
YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION.
YEAH. IT'S COME UP SEVERAL TIMES AND I'M OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW.
AND I GUESS NOBODY BOTHERED TO TELL YOU.
SO IT'S PROBABLY UP AT THIS LEVEL AND IT HASN'T GOTTEN DOWN YET.
I MEAN, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M YOU KNOW, I WORK FOR THE DAY TO DAY STUFF.
YOU KNOW, I WORK ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY ONGOINGS OF IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ELEVATE ALL THAT.
SO APOLOGIES THAT Y'ALL FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT BEING MET OR BEING HEARD.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I THAT'S NOT MY GOAL.
SO I'M NOT PLACING THE BLAME ON ANYBODY.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AND IT MAY NOT BE OF IMPORTANCE YET IN Y'ALL'S PLATS OR PHASES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE AS OUR CITY ATTORNEYS EXPRESSED, WE'VE WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE COMMUNICATIONS TO OTHER REPRESENTATIVES FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND I CAN AT LEAST THINK OF THREE OTHER OCCASIONS.
SO IT IS A LITTLE SURPRISING THAT NO ONE HAS BOTHERED TO INFORM YOU.
BUT THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT ON YOUR SIDE, SO MAYBE IT'S JUST NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU.
BUT WE HAVE LONG TERM CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
AS THE CITY MOVES NORTH AND WEST.
UNDERSTOOD. APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION.
SO YOU JUST PUT JUNIOR HIGH AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AYE. SO THAT MOVED.
UPDATE. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DAMAGED BUSINESS SIGNS.
[20. Update, discussion and possible action on the damaged business signs.]
I WAS WONDERING WHY KYLE WAS STILL HERE.AND JUST LIKE THAT, I LIKE IT.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I THINK IT WAS THREE MONTHS AGO.
I GUESS WE HAD A THE FIRST MEETING.
THEN WE HAD A HURRICANE. HAD A HURRICANE THAT THAT SENT QUITE A FEW OF THEM BACK.
I THINK THAT LIST WAS THE LIST IN THERE.
ON THE ONES THAT WE'RE BASICALLY RECHECKING.
WHERE WHERE IT SAYS IN THERE THE ONES THAT WERE DAMAGED OR DAMAGED FROM THE HURRICANE.
A FEW OF THEM WERE JUST LIKE A WEEK OR TWO REPLACED AND BLOWN OUT AGAIN.
BUT THE ONES THAT WERE REPAIRED AFTER THE HURRICANE OR ON THERE THAT ARE GOOD ONES THAT WERE REMOVED. WE TRIED NOT TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST GO OUT WITH THE LETTERS.
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LUCK WITH IT. BUT THE REST OF THEM, WE'VE ALL JUST, YOU KNOW, STOPPED BY, TALKED TO, REACHED OUT.SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORKING FINE.
SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO TRY TO REUSE SOME OF THE POLES YOU KNOW, IF IT WORKS OUT WHEN THEY CHANGE THEIR SIGNAGE AND THE ENGINEER WILL ALLOW IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL THERE'S A FEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO REUSE.
A COUPLE OF THOSE HAVE BEEN, OF COURSE, REMOVED THE WHOLE BUSINESS LIKE CHINA.
WAS IT CHINA BUFFET OF COURSE WAS DEMOED.
THE BUILDING AND THE SIGN MAINLY WILL.
OF COURSE. I GUESS WE COULD DO ANOTHER THREE MONTHS OR MAYBE SIX.
I THINK WE'LL BE PRETTY WELL CAUGHT UP BY THEN.
YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO REPAIR FROM THE HURRICANE.
SO MOST ALL OF THEM LIKE THAT, WE REACHED OUT LIKE THE UTMB BUILDING OUT ON 35 EAST 35.
THEY MIGHT USE THAT FOR AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING.
SO WE WERE JUST KIND OF WAITING THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO AT LEAST MAKE THEM PRESENTABLE.
RIGHT. AND THAT ONE, AS FAR AS THAT ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FAIRLY NEW SIGN.
WE DID HAVE A FEW REPAINT JUST TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.
SO WE'LL, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE IT, TAKE IT DOWN AND THE FLAGS.
I DON'T KNOW, SOME OF THEM CALL THEM DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY PUT IN.
AND IT HAS THE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT TO GET THEM BACK TO ONE.
SO BECAUSE THEY GET TETHERED VERY EASY TO IN THE WIND AND DON'T LOOK GOOD, BUT SOMETHING THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THIS, KYLE THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT IS THE LIGHTING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO LIGHT THE SIGN.
BUT THE SIGN, THE LIGHTS ARE BLINDING DRIVERS IN SOME PLACES, AND THEY'RE SAYING THE SIGNS NEED TO BE OR THE LIGHTS NEED TO BE READJUSTED TO POINT DIRECTLY AT THE SIGN, BUT MAYBE PUT THE THE LITTLE, I GUESS, BLINDERS ON THE SIDE SO THAT IT'S NOT HITTING PEOPLE ON THE ROADS.
YEAH. NOTHING IN PARTICULAR, ARE YOU? I MEAN, WE'LL CHECK. WE'LL LOOK AROUND, WE CAN TALK.
THERE'S OKAY. THERE'S THREE OF THEM THAT I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING THAT PEOPLE KEEP COMPLAINING ABOUT? BUT, I MEAN, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I THINK AFTER THIS ROUND, HOPEFULLY IF WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER STORM, I THINK EVERYBODY THERE'S A COUPLE THAT, LIKE I SAID, ONE I THINK WE HAD A LETTER OUT ON AND ONE OTHER ONE AND ONE OF THESE CHANGED TODAY.
THEY TOOK DOWN THE ADVERTISING.
I'M GLAD Y'ALL GOT AFTER THIS.
THIS IS DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, JUST A THERE MIGHT BE 1 OR 2 THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE DIFFICULTY WITH, BUT IN GENERAL, EVERYBODY'S IT'S JUST REALLY THE OLD SIGNS THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
STUFF THAT WAS JUST SITTING THERE THAT NO ONE WAS EVER DOING ANYTHING WITH.
UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR CALL.
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ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE IT.MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ASK AGAIN FOR A CHANGE TO MOVE NUMBER 22 UP.
GOT IT. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION.
[22. Discussion and possible action to approve adding three 3/4-ton pickups to the Enterprise lease.]
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.I'D LIKE TO NOTE THERE IS NO ACTION NEEDED FOR THIS ITEM.
STEVEN CAMPBELL IS HERE JUST TO UPDATE YOU ALL ON THE THREE VEHICLES FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND POSSIBLY UPDATES ON THE POLICE VEHICLES. THANK YOU.
I'M WITH ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT.
WE WERE HERE. I WAS HERE, I THINK, A MONTH AGO, MAYBE A LITTLE OVER.
AND WHAT WERE WE GOING TO DO THERE? WE GOT SOME GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL ABOUT, HEY, MAYBE WE'VE GOT SOME OLDER VEHICLES WE CAN LOOK AT MOVING AND MOVING SOME PUBLIC WORK VEHICLES OVER TO GET THE RIGHT VEHICLE TO DO THE RIGHT JOB.
THERE'S A LOT OF EITHER UNDERUTILIZED VEHICLES OR JUST NOT THE RIGHT TRUCK FOR THE JOB.
SO WE STREAMLINED THAT AND THEN ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GETTING THE POLICE VEHICLES.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME BACK TO KIND OF PUT THE STAMP ON THIS.
AND JUST WANTED TO GO OVER THE DETAILS FOR IT.
REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO SELL THREE CITY OWNED VEHICLES.
THAT WILL ALLOW 25,000, APPROXIMATELY $25,000 IN RETURN FROM THE SALE OF THOSE THREE VEHICLES TO GET SIX NEW VEHICLES FOR THE CITY, AND THAT WILL BE THREE THREE QUARTER TON TRUCKS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THEN THREE POLICE VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WHAT THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THE FIRST YEAR, THE STRICTLY FOR THESE SIX VEHICLES THE FIRST YEAR WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE AFTERMARKET ON THE SERVICE BODIES FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES AS WELL AS THE AFTERMARKET FOR THE POLICE VEHICLES.
THE THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT TO 58,500 FOR, FOR THE AFTERMARKET.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE ANNUAL LEASE COST WILL BE 94,694.
AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE ON THE VEHICLES WILL BE 1955.
SO THE FIRST YEAR, PUTTING HALF THE AFTERMARKET DOWN ON THE POLICE VEHICLES THAT WE DO, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WORKS, THAT WILL BE A $130,000, 130,104, AND THEN THE TOTAL ANNUAL CASH OUTLAY MOVING FORWARD WILL BE 96,650.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE I CAN DO FOR YOU.
SO, STEVEN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN WE REPLACE THE QUARTER TONNES WITH THE THREE QUARTER TONNES WHERE THOSE ONES WILL GO? AND THE REASONS WHAT ARE THE LOGIC WAS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS MOVE THREE OF THE RAM 1500S.
F-150. SO THAT EQUINOX WILL SLIDE OVER THERE, WHICH IS ALREADY PART OF THE PROGRAM.
AND THEN THE THREE 2500 S ARE GOING TO GO TO THE PUBLIC WORKS, REPLACING A PUBLIC WORKS 21, PUBLIC WORKS 22, AND PUBLIC WORKS OH ONE.
THOSE THREE WILL BE USED AS THE TURN IN UNITS FOR YOU GUYS.
AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE STILL IRONING IT OUT, I BELIEVE.
THOSE WE ANTICIPATE AT LEAST TWO OF THE THREE WILL BE REPLACEMENTS.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
SO WHO'S GETTING THE THREE UNITS FROM PUBLIC WORKS? THE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS.
TWO WILL GO TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT FOR WATER MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.
ONE WILL GO TO THE SEWER CREW FOR SEWER REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.
WHICH WILL BE USED TO PULL THE ESCALATORS AND HEAVIER EQUIPMENT.
WHAT ABOUT THE OLD ONES? THE EXISTING TRUCKS? YEAH. THE EXISTING.
THE IS CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO THE EMERGENCY MANAGER.
IT WILL GO TO UTILITY BILLING.
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THE PUBLIC WORKS ONE.THE FORD EXPEDITION WILL GO TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BECAUSE IT'S LARGER AND ABLE TO CARRY AND DO MORE THAT SHE HAS NEEDS FOR.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE THIRD ONE? ONE UTILITY BUILDING, ONE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
WHERE'S THE THIRD ONE GOING? I THINK THAT ONE'S GOING.
ISN'T THAT GOING TO REPLACE ANDY'S VEHICLE? YES. THAT ONE.
YEAH, YEAH, I GUESS I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED.
I'M SAYING THREE PICKUPS REPLACED THREE CITY OWNED PICKUPS AND.
YEAH. BECAUSE I SEE THAT THAT ZERO EIGHT F-150.
BUT IT SAYS HERE IT'S GOING TO GET REPLACED WITH A THREE QUARTER TON.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S PROBABLY CORRECT.
SO ANDY'S VEHICLE IS GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH A DODGE 1500.
SO WE CAN GET THE THREE QUARTER TON FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS SO THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF AS ANDY'S TRUCK, THE 2008 OR IS THAT ANDY'S TRUCK IS CURRENTLY IS THE EXPEDITION OH ONE.
OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT SO THE EXPEDITION'S SLIDING OVER AND THE EXPEDITION WILL BE NOT REPLACED.
WE'RE MOVING A 1500 TO THE CURRENT DRIVER OF THE EXPEDITION, BECAUSE THE EXPEDITION IS SHIFTING TO THE RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THIS? ARE WE WAITING TILL OCTOBER? THEY WON'T BE IN FOR A WHILE.
WE DO HAVE ONE TRUCK FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT GULF COAST FORD HAD, THAT SOME OTHER ENTITY ORDERED THAT THEY CAN'T USE.
AND SO WE DO HAVE ONE THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MOVING BY.
WOULD IT BE AFTER OCTOBER? YEAH. IT'S JUST NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
IT MAY, DEPENDING ON HOW THE AFTERMARKET AND STUFF SHAKES OUT.
PROBABLY NOT WHEN WE'RE PUTTING THE AFTERMARKET ON THERE.
SO NO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FEW MONTHS FOR THE AFTERMARKET.
YES, SIR. HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING IN TOTAL WITH ENTERPRISE? NOW I HAVE THAT.
RIGHT. SORRY, MY COMPUTER IS THINKING.
FOR THE CURRENT COMPANY PLAN COSTS FOR THE 82 VEHICLES, YOUR ANNUAL LEASE EXPENSE IS $535,049.
AND THEN THE INCREASE IS ANOTHER 100 I'VE SEEING HERE SAYS 130,000 FOR THESE THREE.
BUT DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE THE ONES THAT WE, THE COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO OR A MONTH AGO? NO, THIS WOULD BE THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR NUMBER.
I'M SORRY. THAT'LL BE IN ADDITION TO THE CURRENT 535,000.
I CAN TELL YOU HOW I DID MY MATH ON THIS ONE.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF THESE, AND YOU'RE DIVIDING THOSE NUMBERS ACROSS THAT MANY VEHICLES AND THEN DIVIDING THAT BY 12 AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHAT LIKE A MONTHLY PAYMENT WOULD BE TO US ON A VEHICLE, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE I THINK I THINK ON THESE JUST LOOKING AT THIS, ONCE YOU GET PAST THE AFTERMARKET 130, THAT FIRST TERM THAT PAYS OFF, LIKE THE SERVICE BIDS AND ALL THAT STUFF, YOU BASICALLY COME TO LIKE $930 MONTHLY IF YOU WERE PAYING AN INSTALLMENT, AND THAT'S WITHOUT INTEREST.
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SO THAT WOULD BE A PROBABLY A $1,200 A MONTH PAYMENT.IN THE PAST, WE WE WOULD'VE JUST PURCHASED THEM.
AND THEN AFTER THREE YEARS, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT PAYMENT ANYMORE.
SO WE WOULD BE WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PAYMENT AT ALL AFTER THREE YEARS.
WE'RE NOW WE'RE IN PERPETUITY OF A PAYMENT, RIGHT? AND IT JUST KEEPS GOING UP.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND.
HOW MANY VEHICLES DID YOU SAY IT WAS? WELL LEASED.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A TOTAL OF 82 IN THE FLEET.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THE EXACT LEASED NUMBER.
YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I THINK THE VAN IN THE IN THE VAN PART OF THE LEASE AT THE REC CENTER.
ONE OF THE BUSSES? YES. YES, SIR.
THE BUSSES IS. AND THEN SOME PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT.
THE ONLY PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT IS THE SWEEPER.
THE SWEEPER? NO, THE CRANE, THE THE PUMP.
550. YEAH, THE ONE TO PULL THE PUMPS.
YES, SIR. IT'S A SPECIAL FEATURE, ISN'T IT? ALL RIGHT, BEAR WITH ME.
I'M SCROLLING TO SEE HOW MANY.
THERE'S A LOT ON THIS SHEET HERE.
ALL RIGHT. AND THERE'S A TOTAL OF 46 LEASED VEHICLES CURRENTLY.
AND MAYBE A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE NEXT MONTH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE LEASE VEHICLES, WHAT ARE THEY? WHAT ARE THEIR JOBS? WHAT ARE THEY DOING? OKAY. NOW HOW MANY? BY DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, IT'S WE'RE UNDERSTANDING.
OKAY. AND AGAIN, I'LL TELL YOU, MY INTENT IS LOOKING AT AS THE VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO THAT ARE GOING TO RECEIVE HEAVY WEAR AND TEAR AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY TURN OVER QUICKLY, IF IT'S A VEHICLE THAT WE WOULD MAYBE KEEP FOR SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, MAYBE EVEN TEN YEARS, THEN THAT WOULD BE A VEHICLE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO OWN, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE MAY END UP TURNING OVER IN THE LEASE PROGRAM DUE TO MILEAGE AND WEAR AND TEAR, IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY GOING TO WANT TO OWN OR MAINTAIN.
AND SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A GOOD DEAL TO KNOW, LOCATE OR IDENTIFY ANY VEHICLES THAT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES, AS JOHN SAID, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO WANT TO PURCHASE.
YEP. HE HAD TO KIND OF ECHO THAT SENTIMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH LIKE THE POLICE VEHICLES, FOR INSTANCE, THOSE TRUCKS ARE 55,000, AND THEN YOU PUT ANOTHER 25,000 IN AFTERMARKET.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S AN $80,000 UNIT THAT YOU SHOULD ONLY BE USING, YOU KNOW, 3 TO 5 YEARS.
SO RATHER THAN TAKE THAT BIG BUDGET HIT OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE 160 GRAND IN ONE YEAR, SPREAD THAT OUT OVER TIME JUST SO IT'S A LITTLE BUDGET, AND THEN BUILD SOME EQUITY AND HAVE A GOOD REPLACEMENT PLAN WITH THOSE.
SO THE BUDGET'S NOT BOUNCING AROUND THERE.
I MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH CHRIS AND STEVEN ON THE PHONE LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO WHEN YOU WERE YOU WERE ABSENT THAT MEETING.
I THINK WE WE THE COUNCIL APPROVED THIS.
THE FOLLOW UP TO STEVEN WAS COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE SECONDARY EFFECTS OF MOVING VEHICLES TO REPLACE AND WHAT THE PLAN WAS, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT UNTIL THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE LEASE VEHICLES.
OKAY. SO BUT IT DOES SAY POSSIBLE ACTION.
SO THERE'S NO ACTION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.
COUNCIL ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS.
CAN I ASK WE GO TO 2121 NUMBER 21 UPDATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON POST-HURRICANE BARREL.
[21. Update, discussion and possible action on post Hurricane Beryl.]
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.[03:25:02]
I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.ONE, FIRST OFF IS WE DID FINISH UP DEBRIS TODAY.
THEY DID FINISH THE DMS SITE AND I'M WORKING WITH TK TO CLOSE IT OUT.
OUR FINAL TOTALS WAS WE ENDED UP HAULING OUT 120.
AND WE ENDED UP GRINDING SLASH THAT, HAULING IT TO SEA BREEZE, 23,000YD³. IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, YOU CAN SEE I PUT SOME ITEMS ON YOUR DESK IN FRONT OF YOU SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SQUINT AT THE SCREEN.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS STILL AN ESTIMATE, BUT THE DEBRIS TOTAL COMPLETELY WITH DMS SITE.
SEA BREEZE LANDFILL MONITORING MONITORING AND THE DEBRIS PICKUP IS 2.9 MILLION.
AND OUR EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE ORDERS WAS 100 110,000, BRINGING OUR TOTAL COST AT 3 MILLION.
SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME FUNDING WITH FEMA AND HOW THIS IS COMING DOWN.
AFTER MEETING WITH FEMA TODAY, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IF YOU DO GO THE 50% ROUTE THAT YOU FORFEIT, 37.33%, WHICH IF YOU SEE THAT MEANS WE'LL LOSE $1.1 MILLION.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IF WE THE IF WE TOTAL PAY IT OUT, THAT DECREASES OUR GENERAL FUND QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. OUR PAYMENT FROM FEMA IS GOING TO BE OUR 75% IS $2.2 MILLION. AND WITH THE CITY TOTAL IS GOING TO BE 760 WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.
SO SO THAT'S 760 IS ALL US, RIGHT? 760 IS ALL US.
YES, SIR. WE DID GET FUNDING FOR CATEGORIES C AND G BY FEMA.
AND THEN C AND G WILL COME LATER.
BUT I'M MOVING AS QUICKLY AS I CAN AND PUSHING FEMA AS FAST AS I CAN.
AND WHEN ARE WHEN ARE THESE FUNDS? WHEN ARE THESE FUNDS DUE? SO I DID TALK TO CROWDER GOLF, WHICH IS THE PAST BUYER.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER DEBRIS.
CROWDER GOLF HANDLES ALL THE INVOICES, AND THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A SPECIFIC PAYOUT, BUT SAID THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK OUT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST AVENUE IF WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO DELAY OR PARTIAL.
YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT TO DIG THIS MONEY UP OUT OF COFFEE CANS IN THE BACKYARD OR ORDER SOMETHING AND DELAY IT UNTIL OUR NEW FISCAL WOULD BE THE THE WAY TO GO. BECAUSE I DON'T I'M SURE WE DON'T WANT TO BORROW ANY MONEY.
AND I KNOW THAT $1.14 MILLION WILL ALWAYS BE MISSED.
YEP. SO, JAMIE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE THAT YOU TALKED TO THEM ABOUT? EXTENDING PAYMENTS.
SO THE INVOICES TEND TO COME IN IN INCREMENTS.
IT DOESN'T. THEY DON'T GIVE ONE BIG INVOICE.
SO WHAT THEY SUGGESTED IS THAT IF THERE'S AN INVOICE THAT WE CAN PAY, PAY THE INVOICE, ONE OF THE LARGEST INVOICES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OR WILL RECEIVE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS IS 1 MILLION. AND SHE ADVISED, JUST LET US KNOW.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE UNDERSTANDABLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE SITUATION WITH THE WITH THE MR. FATALITY. I MEAN, THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET PAID.
THERE'S NOT EVER GOING TO BE THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
BUT BY ALL MEANS KEEP UP THE COMMUNICATION WITH THEM AS YOU HAVE.
AND WE HAVE LIKE JAMIE SAID, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE CASH FLOW FORECAST.
IF WE PAY, WE HAVE ONE INVOICE ALREADY FROM CROWDER GULF FOR ABOUT $500,000 THAT WE WILL PAY THAT WITHIN THE NEXT 2 OR 3 WEEKS.
BECAUSE OF OUR YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE END OF OUR BUDGET YEAR.
WE'RE NOT GETTING TAX DOLLARS IN.
IF WE WERE TO PAY THE $500,000 AND THEN PAY HALF OF THE REMAINING BALANCE BEFORE THE END, SAY, BY OCTOBER 1ST, WE WOULD BE DOWN TO SEVEN DAYS OF FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND.
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SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OR THE OPTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT OF DOING A LOAN.WE CAN GET IT'S CALLED AN EMERGENCY LOAN.
IT IS IT IS SET UP FOR THESE TYPE OF SITUATIONS SO THAT CITIES CAN FUND THINGS. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAG, YOU KNOW, MAKE OUR SUPPLIERS WAIT FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS TO GET THEIR PAYMENTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE JAMIE SAID, IT COULD TAKE OVER A YEAR TO GET PAID BY FEMA.
I KNOW CROWDER GULF ISN'T GOING TO WANT TO WAIT A YEAR.
THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE $500,000 INVOICE.
WE GOT $400,000 OF THAT WAS FOR DEBRIS MONITORING.
THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR SUPPLIERS JUST LIKE WE DO.
SO WE CAN'T DELAY THIS IN INDEFINITELY, EVEN IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO DELAY IT UNTIL WE START GETTING THE MAJORITY OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN, WHICH WOULD BE DECEMBER AND JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
WE'VE GOT TO LIVE OFF THAT, THOSE TAX DOLLARS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
HE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN PARTICULAR.
LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS TODAY AFTER JAMIE TALKED TO FEMA, I'M RECOMMENDING WE BORROW $2 MILLION SO THAT WE CAN PAY THE MAJORITY OF THIS MAJORITY OF KOTOR GULF AND GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY, BECAUSE WE'VE STILL GOT SEVERAL WEEKS OF HURRICANE SEASON LEFT.
AND YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER LIVED THROUGH A HURRICANE SEASON, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT TO EXPECT.
I DID ALSO PUT THE FORMULA FOR OPTION THREE, WHICH IS THE ONE ON THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE MONITORING COMPANY IS FOR IS THEY'RE THEY'RE ON OUR SIDE FOR CHECKS AND BALANCES.
AND THEN I'VE BEEN DOING A 20% CHECK ON ALL ALL TICKETS.
YEAH. BUT SO THE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT MONITOR INCOME.
ARE THEY USING A FACTORING COMPANY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. ARE THEY ARE THEY TURNING THEIR INVOICES INTO ANOTHER COMPANY? AND THAT COMPANY IS PURSUING US FOR THE INVOICES AT 3% OF CROWDER GULF'S INVOICE TOTAL.
NO, MOST MOST COMPANIES LIKE THIS DO THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS WONDERING IF THEY WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR ABOUT THE THE TIMELY PAYMENT OF THEIR INVOICES BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T THE ONES PHYSICALLY DOING THE INVOICING.
KNOW CROWDER GULF IS DIRECTLY DOING THEM.
OKAY. SO HAVE WE HEARD ANYTHING FROM FEMA WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO PAY? SO I TALKED TO THEM TODAY.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON IN ALL HONESTY, IT DEPENDS ON ME AND HOW FAST I CAN GET IT IN THERE.
AND GET EVERYTHING TURNED AROUND FOR CATEGORIES A AND B.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY ALMOST EVERYTHING READY TO START DOING CATEGORIES A AND B, IT COULD BE 90 DAYS.
I MEAN, LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE IN SOME GRANTS.
SO JOE, COULD YOU HELP ME OUT WITH SOMETHING? LAST WE SPOKE, YOU SAID THERE WAS GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE THAT WERE GOING TO BE KIND OF BLACK MARKS TOWARDS US, AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE I THOUGHT YOU SAID ADDITIONAL LINES OF CREDIT TO THE CITY, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS GOING TO BE DEPRECIATION OF FUND BALANCE.
IT'S YOUR FUND BALANCE IS THE IS THE BIG THING.
THAT'S WHAT THE RATING AGENCIES PUT IN YOUR LAST REPORT, THAT IF THEY SAW YOU GO DOWN AND HIT FUND BALANCE IN 2023 OR THE END OF THIS YEAR, WHICH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE SEVEN DAYS OF FUND BALANCE FOR A COASTAL CITY.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT GOES IN WITH THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE.
YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CEOS AT THIS TIME.
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EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING FORWARD WITH AN EMERGENCY NOTE TO TRY AND FIX THINGS, YOU'RE GOING FROM A DOUBLE-A MINUS MAYBE THREE NOTCHES DOWN TO AN A MINUS, CERTAINLY AN A WITH A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK, WHICH PROBABLY WOULD INCUR WITH IT MONTHLY MONITORING OF FINANCIALS.SO IT'S THE EMERGENCY BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS YOUR MISMATCH IN IN CASH FLOWS.
I'M NOT TRYING TO KICK YOU OUT OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT JOE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED YOU TO ADVISE US ON IN THIS SITUATION.
I THINK PHILIP IS EXACTLY RIGHT THAT YOU NEED THE EMERGENCY LOAN.
WE STILL, YOU KNOW I READ AN ARTICLE OVER THE WEEKEND WHERE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS STILL CALLING FOR 14 NAMED STORMS. RIGHT? ALTHOUGH WE SIT THERE AND WE SEE AN EMPTY, EMPTY ATLANTIC BASIN RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE STILL HOLDING TO THEIR GUNS OF 14 NAMED STORMS. SO ONE HIT LIKE THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S REALLY BAD BLEEDING DOWN YOUR FUND BALANCE TO, YOU KNOW, IF I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY, IT GETS DOWN TO 760,000.
YES, SIR. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT YOU DO THE EMERGENCY NOTES.
OKAY. I THINK GALVESTON DOES THEM ANNUALLY.
THEY ALWAYS THEY THEY DO A SETUP FOR IT SO THAT THEY HAVE KIND OF A LINE OF CREDIT IN PLACE.
RIGHT. THEY MAY NOT DRAW ON IT, BUT IT'S THERE.
BUT IF IT EVER POPS UP, IT'S NOT A BAD THING TO HAVE.
YEAH. AND IN, IN THIS CASE, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO USE THESE TO HELP SHORE UP THE DRAWDOWNS YOU'VE HAD IN FUND BALANCE, BECAUSE YOU CAN INCLUDE IN THE NOTE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE ELIGIBLE FOR FEMA FUNDS.
RIGHT. YOU CAN PUT THAT INTO AN EMERGENCY LOAN.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK WITH BOND COUNSEL ABOUT.
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, HOW CAN WE SIZE IT IN AND WORK WITH PHIL ON SOME CASH FLOWS OF HOW TO HOW DO WE DO THIS SO THAT WE CAN COME OUT IN A STRONGER POSITION THAN WE WENT INTO THIS WITH? RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JONATHAN TALKED TO THE AG ABOUT YOU KNOW, CAN WE DO THIS? HOW CAN WE STRUCTURE IT? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO THREE YEARS.
THE STATUTE ALLOWS TEN, BUT THREE YEARS IS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH.
OKAY, SO SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO OTHERWISE, YOU CAN ONLY DO WITH THESE EMERGENCY NOTES BECAUSE WE'RE IN A DISASTER AREA, RIGHT.
WE'RE IN A DECLARED DISASTER AREA.
SO THAT MAKES THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
WE WOULD LOOK TO DO THIS AS A PRIVATE PLACEMENT, NOT A PUBLIC OFFERING.
SO EITHER WE WOULD NEED A PLACEMENT AGENT, SOMEBODY THAT WOULD WORK TO FIND A BUYER FOR US, OR WE WOULD GO TO SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, A BANK THAT YOU HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH.
WE'LL HAVE TO TALK THROUGH WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS A AS A WAY TO GET THIS DONE.
SO WHEN FEMA PAYMENTS COME IN, YOU CAN JUST FLOW THEM RIGHT BACK AND PAY THAT THING DOWN.
RIGHT. AND AND THEN YOU ALSO GET TO ROLL IT INTO YOUR DEBT SERVICE FUND FOR ANY REPAYMENTS ON THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET FEMA FOR, BUT WILL REBUILD YOUR FUND BALANCE.
DO WE HAVE TO DO WE HAVE TO NAME AN AMOUNT A CAN WE CAN WE JUST DO AN EMERGENCY LOAN?
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THAT'S A THAT'S AN EXTENSION OF CREDIT? OR DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE A NUMBER TO MOUNT IN WHOLE.BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TAKE $3 MILLION OR $2 MILLION OR OR WHATEVER WE PLAN TO TAKE.
I WOULD PREFER TO WRITE CHECKS AGAINST A AGAINST AN AGAINST AN ACCOUNT, KIND OF A LINE OF CREDIT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THEN WE. AND THEN WE IMMEDIATELY PAY THAT BACK OFF.
YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LINE OF CREDIT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
AND AS AS WE GET THE FEMA PAYMENTS, IN WE GO AND WE PAY IT OFF.
SO CERTAINLY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO.
RIGHT. I GUESS THAT'S A DISCUSSION COMING UP.
THIS IS ONE WAY THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ADD TO YOUR FUND BALANCE WITH A BORROWING, WHICH YOU CAN NEVER DO EXCEPT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, AN EMERGENCY LOAN, AND PAY IT BACK OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER THING I WAS I WAS WONDERING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF ANYBODY LOOKED INTO YOUR INTO YOUR FINANCIALS PERSONALLY AND SAW THAT YOU TOOK OUT A LOAN TO PAD YOUR ACCOUNT. WELL, IT'S IT'S TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENDITURES IN AN EMERGENCY THAT YOU HAVE NO, NO WAY TO RECOUP.
BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHY YOU HOLD THE FUND BALANCE.
RIGHT. WE'RE NOT TO NOVEMBER 1ST.
WELL, AND THIS MAY BE BILL, YOU MAY KNOW, ONE OF YOU MAY KNOW THIS ON THESE ON THESE TYPES OF LOANS, ARE THERE, ARE THERE SPECIAL ARE THERE SPECIAL RATES FOR THESE? ARE THEY IN ANY WAY BACKED ON A STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL? NO. SO THIS IS THIS IS COMPLETELY ON YOUR OWN.
WE WOULD WANT TO DO THIS ON A ON A PRIVATE BASIS, RIGHT? YEP. GOT IT.
SO, JOE CAN YOU TALK ON THE COST TO DO THIS AND THEN BE.
SO IT'S NOT A AN ACCOUNT WE CAN PULL FROM? IT'S. IT AFFECTS OUR DEBT SERVICE AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO US.
YEAH. I THINK ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HALF MILLION DOLLAR BOND.
FIRST. FIRST, LET ME LET ME HIT THEM AS I REMEMBER THEM AND PROD ME IF I MISS ONE FIRST COST.
I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE COST OF ISSUANCE AROUND $35,000.
DON'T KNOW BECAUSE NEVER DONE ONE.
HAVEN'T TALKED WITH JONATHAN ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT IT IS IT IS A SECURITY, RIGHT? SO WE WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE.
RIGHT. THERE'S NO PUBLICATION THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EMERGENCY.
NO. RIGHT. SO THE PATH, THE PATH TO GET THERE IS CLEAR.
YOU JUST TALK WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AHEAD OF TIME ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, GET THEM IN ON BOARD, AND WE GO CHRIS, I DIDN'T HIT YOUR SECOND ONE.
SO THE SECOND IS, DOES THIS AFFECT OUR DEBT RATE? OUR DEBT.
SO SO WE'LL DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
BUT YOU KNOW, SO IT BECOMES PART OF OUR DEBT.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, WHICH IS LATER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $10.5 MILLION.
SO HOW DOES THAT YEAH HOW DOES THAT ALL PLAY.
NOT TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
YEAH RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WE GOT THIS.
BUT YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING. YEAH.
YEAH I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
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YOU KNOW, OKAY, YOU, YOU WHEN IT COMES IN, YOU PAY IT, RIGHT? WHATEVER. AND AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WILL BE SIZED, BUT LET'S JUST PICK 2 MILLION, RIGHT? AND MAYBE A YEAR FROM NOW, YOU HAVE IT ALL IN.MAYBE IT IT GETS PAID OFF AND YOU NEVER HIT YOUR DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE.
IF WE NEED TO GO AN EXTRA YEAR OR TWO, IF YOU SIZE IT TO TO INCLUDE SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT FEMA REIMBURSABLES THINGS THAT THEY WON'T PAY YOU FOR, LIKE YOUR 25%.
THEN WE HAVE A UP TO THREE YEARS TO FINANCE THAT, WHICH IS BASICALLY FINANCING.
THE INCREASE TO YOUR FUND BALANCE.
RIGHT. SO YEAH, YOU WOULD LEVY A TAX, PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE YOU MAY DECIDE YOU WANT TO LEVY A TAX AND AND GET IT ALL OUT OF THE WAY NOW WITH THE NOTICE OF INTENT.
WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THAT, THE ITEM TO COME NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, RIGHT? WE WE NEED TO FIX OUR MISMATCH AND CASH FLOWS.
WE GET THAT FIXED AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE.
MAYBE YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE AUDIT.
RIGHT. MAYBE THIS TIME WE SELL IN MARCH AND WE'VE GOT OUR AUDIT ON TIME.
RIGHT? AND WE'RE BACK ON TRACK.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALKED TO PHIL ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE ABLE TO DO A PAYMENT IN AUGUST.
MAYBE WE STRUCTURE PRINCIPLE THAT WAY.
WE HIT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO LEVY A TAX FOR.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE EMERGENCY NOTES, RIGHT? WE'RE STRUCTURING YOUR TAX RATE.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO OUR END DESTINATION WITH THAT.
WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO TO YOUR RATING RIGHT NOW WITH THE EMERGENCY NOTES? WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASK FOR A RATING ON IT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WANT TO DO A PRIVATE PLACEMENT.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO A PUBLIC SALE BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A RATING.
WE WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO A BANK THAT SAYS, YEAH, WE KNOW ANGLETON.
WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
WE'LL TAKE IT AND AND WORK WITH US ON IT.
RIGHT. SO WHEN WE DO A PRIVATE PLACEMENT, IT'S NON RATED.
AND WE SELL TO AN INSTITUTION SUCH AS A BANK.
OKAY THEN WILL IT IMPACT YOUR RATING.
WHEN WE COME BACK IN MARCH WE'LL HAVE THE AUDIT IN HAND.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GEE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT HIT BY A BUS TWICE.
TWO NAMED STORMS, RIGHT? OR MAYBE THE DERECHO WASN'T A NAME STORM.
IT'S A TYPE OF STORM, THOUGH, THAT THEY EVEN HAD THEM UP IN DALLAS.
RIGHT. SO IT KIND OF ALL ACROSS TEXAS AND OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDWEST HAD THAT SAME TYPE OF STORM.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LUMP RIGHT ON OUR RATING.
ALTHOUGH IT'S IT'S UNSETTLING TO BE PENALIZED.
NOW, GRANTED, WE HAVE DRAWN THAT FUND BALANCE DOWN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, GETTING HIT WITH TWO STORMS AND BEING IN THE FINANCIAL POSITION WE WERE TO TO, I WOULD SAY WEATHER THEM FAIRLY WELL.
WE HAD THE FUND BALANCE AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS THERE FOR.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT DEBT SERVICE IN GENERAL.
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN A SITUATION OR SEEN A CITY IN THIS POSITION? AND HOW LONG DID IT TAKE HIM TO GO BACK OUT FOR DEBT? YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD I'VE HAD SOME CLIENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN SOME TOUGH SPOTS.
I LOOK AT THIS AS KIND OF A TEMPORARY SETBACK.
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RIGHT? YOU NEED THE EMERGENCY NOTES TO GET YOU THROUGH THIS.HOW MUCH YOU DO? THAT'S THAT'S YOUR CALL, RIGHT? HOW MUCH? WHETHER WE TRY AND FIX SOME OF THE FUND BALANCE PORTION OF IT.
NOW, IDEALLY, WHAT THE RATING AGENCIES ARE GOING TO WANT TO SEE AND, YOU KNOW, TO GET YOUR WAY OUT OF IT IS YOU BUDGET YOUR WAY OUT OF IT.
RIGHT? AGREED. AND AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT MEAN THAT YOU DO NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND TRY AND RELY ON GROWTH TO GET YOU OUT. RIGHT.
RIGHT. AND AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, RIGHT NOW, I'VE GOT TOO MANY CITIES.
PEOPLE ARE CANNIBALIZING STAFF RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO YOU GOT TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? YOU GOT TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT.
IF I COULD DRIVE ANYTHING HOME OUT OF THIS, THERE'S ANY LESSON TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM IT.
YOU KNOW, BE CONSERVATIVE IN YOUR BUDGETING.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO RAISE RATES.
ONCE YOU GET INTO THE MODE OF PLAYING CATCH UP, YOU'RE TOO LATE, RIGHT? YOU'RE TOO LATE.
SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL HAVE ON THE ON THE BUDGET TONIGHT.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S BECOME NECESSARY.
OKAY, SO THE LOAN WOULD BE JUST ANOTHER DEBT, AND SO IT WILL INCREASE OUR TAX RATE, RIGHT? ONLY IF IT GOES THROUGH THE FIRST YEAR.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY IT BACK, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T BORROW MONEY AND NOT PAY IT BACK, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.
AND THAT'S HOW IT ALL GETS BACK TO SIZING, RIGHT? IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET 2.5 MILLION BACK FROM FROM FEMA AND WE BORROW TWO, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE NET DOWN THE INTEREST ON IT, PLUS YOUR COST OF ISSUANCE.
RIGHT. YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO EARN VERY MUCH ON IT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU THE IDEA IS WHEN THE PAYMENTS COME IN FROM FEMA, YOU, YOU PUT THEM IN AND PAY IT OFF.
RIGHT? RIGHT. SO BUT BUT YES, THERE'S A NET COST.
SO WE HAVE THE 75% FEMA REIMBURSEMENT FOR DAMAGE, RIGHT? JAMIE. SORRY.
WE HAVE 75% REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE OTHER CATEGORIES.
YES, YES, BUT THAT 25% CAN BE PART OF THIS LOAN, RIGHT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE HAVE NO WAY TO PAY FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S THAT'S CONSIDERATION.
YOU TAKE OUT YOUR FUND BALANCE NEEDS TO COVER THE 75% FOR ALL THE DEBRIS STUFF.
AND YOU TAKE OUT 25%, THE 25% FOR ALL THE ROOFS AND THE SIGNS AND THE WHATEVER, THAT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY, MONEY TO PAY FOR.
SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST CONSIDERATION.
YEAH. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY.
YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS THE ONLY TIME.
YOU WILL EVER BE ABLE TO CONSIDER BORROWING MONEY AND BUILDING BACK FUND BALANCE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE IN AN EMERGENCY DISASTER FEDERAL AND STATE.
SO THIS NOW BECOMES AN OPTION.
AND IT'S YOU KNOW, SO THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION TO YOU.
DO YOU WANT TO FUND BY BORROWING BUILDING BACK YOUR FUND BALANCE OR ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BUDGET YOUR WAY OUT OF IT? ONE GETS YOU PART OF THE WAY THERE.
YOU REALLY NEED BOTH, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T DO IT ONE WAY, ONE ONE WAY ALONE.
YOU NEED BOTH, RIGHT? YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUDGET YOUR INCREASE BACK.
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BECAUSE LOOK AT YOU KNOW, THE FUND BALANCE IS DAYS, RIGHT, DAYS OF GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO A GROWING CITY THAT INCREASES EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S THAT'S WHAT HAS CAUGHT Y'ALL.
YOU YOU DIP INTO THE FUND BALANCE, BUT THE REQUIREMENTS KEEP GROWING, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ONCE YOU GET BEHIND IN BUDGETING, ESPECIALLY WITH SENATE BILL TWO, TELLING YOU THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT FRIENDLY TO CITIES AND LIMITING YOU TO 3%, I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU'RE UNDER 30,000 POPULATION.
SO YOU CAN DO WHAT IS IT, THE LESSER OF 3.5% OR 500,000%, PLUS ABOUT 3.5% PLUS 500,000.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S AN OPTION THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY FROM Y'ALL REAL QUICK, RIGHT? IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE AS SOON AS YOU CROSS 30,000 IN POPULATION THAT'S GONE.
SO ANYWAY, I WAS GOING TO SAY IN A PERFECT IF THE INSURANCE IS COVERS EVERYTHING, THE CITY WILL BE AT ABOUT 350,000.
THAT WILL BE OUT ON CATEGORY C AND G, AND THAT'S WITH INSURANCE STEPPING UP AND COVERING.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, OF THE SEVEN 60 OVER THERE THAT WE WOULD BE OUT OF POCKET.
THEY'RE STILL BEING REIMBURSED FOR THE THREE.
YES. SO THE NET WOULD BE HOW MUCH.
SO. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WOULD BE WE WOULD GET 75% OF 350.
OKAY. THAT'S ROUGH BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HELD ALL THE CLAIMS AND EVERYTHING.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH ALL THAT, RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT THAT INSURANCE CLAIM IS NOT REFLECTED IN THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT IS JUST CATEGORIES A AND B.
DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM TO SAY GO FORWARD WITH THE LOAN? YES. COUNCIL.
DO I HAVE ACTION? BUT WE NEED SOME.
JUST KIND OF, LIKE, TALKED ABOUT.
ARE WE JUST GOING FOR TO COVER THE A AND B 75%, OR DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE DAMAGES? I THINK WE COVERED THE DAMAGES AS WELL.
I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE HERE AT THE TABLE THAT SAYS I HATE BORROWING MONEY.
THEN THE OLDER I GET, THE MORE I HATE BORROWING MONEY.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BORROW MONEY, DON'T.
YEAH. RIGHT. BECAUSE MURPHY'S GOING TO SHOW UP.
YEAH. WHATEVER DEPARTMENT IT IS, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT MAY NOT BE MAJOR, BUT THEN YOU'RE.
THEN YOU'RE SCRAMBLING AROUND LOOKING FOR LOOKING UNDER THE SEAT CUSHIONS, TRYING TO FIND THAT.
AND, JOE, I APPRECIATE YOU AND PHIL HAVING THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF THIS.
SO THE TOTAL COST ROUGH ESTIMATE, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3.3 AND 3.5.
THAT'S WITH THE DAMAGES AND THE DEBRIS AND THE EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE THOSE.
THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TO INCUR IN DAMAGES.
HOW MUCH WERE THEY GOING TO HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING TO RECOVER? 2.2 OF 2.3, ROUGHLY.
LISTEN, CAN I ASK THAT WE COME BACK WITH A MORE REFINED DOLLAR FIGURE? YEP. YES.
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YEAH, I AGREE. YEAH.JUST JUST A MOMENT TO THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S ALL.
SURE. HOW MUCH WOULD WE NEED TO DO THE FUND BALANCE PORTION IF WE WERE TO DO THAT AS WELL INCLUDING.
YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S JUST WHAT THIS IS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. FUND BALANCE PLUS.
YEAH. THIS THIS IS GOING TO PAD THE FUND BALANCE TO.
IT'S NOT JUST COVERING EVERYTHING.
AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE BELOW THE PERCENTAGE WISE.
YEAH. I DIDN'T CALCULATE THAT.
THAT'S ONE THING I DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS AFTERNOON.
BUT EVEN A $2 MILLION LOAN ISN'T GOING TO BE A BIG BUMP IN OUR FUND BALANCE.
IT WILL JUST KEEP US FROM KEEP US ON ON TRACK.
SO I HONESTLY, I CAN'T TELL YOU MORE BEYOND THAT.
I THINK I DID A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF JUST ROUGH OF WHAT? OUR CURRENT GENERAL FUND BALANCE AT 3.7 WITH THE COST, CURRENT COST OF THE DEBRIS AND EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE ORDERS WITH THE TWO.
AND THAT'S WITH THE CITY COVERING 760,000.
BUT BUT HELP ME FOR A LATER AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT.
AGAIN THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO OUR DEBT SERVICE WHICH WHICH WILL AFFECT OUR TAX RATE.
RIGHT NOW, THE TAX RATES WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER.
THAT CALCULATION INCLUDES THE DEBT SERVICE, ASSUMING WE HAD MOVED FORWARD WITH BORROWING THE MONEY.
NOW THE $10 MILLION NOW, AND WE'D HAVE TO MAKE TWO PAYMENTS ON THAT WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR IF WE DELAY THE $10.5 MILLION TILL SOMETIME IN THE SPRING.
THAT MEANS WE WON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT THAT FEBRUARY PAYMENT, RIGHT? THAT MONEY CAN GO TOWARDS THE THE TAX DOLLARS WE LEVY FOR THAT PART OF THE PAYMENT CAN GO TOWARD PAYING THIS LOAN OFF, OR WE CAN MAKE A BIGGER PAYMENT AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR TAX RATE, AS I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT LATER WITH THE INCLUDING THE PAYMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE JOE SAID, WE CAN STRUCTURE THE REPAYMENT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.
WELL, I'M I'M FOR TAKING A LOAN AND BUT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MORE CONCRETE FIGURE. SO AS LONG AS I GUESS YOU THINK WE CAN DELAY AT LEAST TWO WEEKS.
IF NOTHING'S HURT, THEN LET'S WAIT TWO WEEKS AND GET A REAL NUMBER, A REAL FIGURE? YEAH. WE CAN WE CAN HAVE A BETTER NUMBER AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL 2:00 THIS AFTERNOON.
THE THING THE THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST US AN EXTRA OVER $1 MILLION IF WE TOOK THE MONEY, IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF GETTING THE MONEY AHEAD OF TIME FROM FEMA.
SO, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THEN AND 530, THERE WASN'T TIME TO MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DECISIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN WE'LL COME BACK WITH AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE NUMBER AND SOME MORE FIRMED UP NUMBERS AND THAT SO YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION.
SO, JUDY, DO WE, LIKE, POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? IS THAT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH? WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST TAKE NO ACTION AND JUST BRING IT BACK.
OKAY. IS THERE ANY ACTION THAT WE CAN TAKE? I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S INFORMAL.
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WELL, YOU'RE GIVING US GOOD DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN FORMALIZE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WE NEED TO GO FOR THE LOAN AND LOOK AT THE IMPACT AND PAYMENTS AND WHATEVER.SO WE CAN SAY WE WANT TO BORROW 3.65 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS OR SOME NUMBER.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF MAYBE EVEN KNOW WHO WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH AND, AND ALL THAT.
SURE. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GUIDANCE, THIS GUIDANCE, I CAN EVEN TALK TO JOAN.
WE CAN START COMING UP WITH IDEAS ABOUT WHERE TO PLACE THEM.
SO WE'RE AHEAD. WE'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME.
WE'RE NOT JUST APPROVING AN AMOUNT.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU GUYS ARE ARE STARTING MOVING FORWARD WITH WITH STRUCTURING THIS THIS DEAL AND, AND AND WHO YOU PLAN TO TO APPROACH WITH IT. OKAY.
OKAY. JUST CURIOSITY JOE DOES YOU KNOW I KNOW YOU SAID KEEP THIS PRIVATE, BUT WHAT'S USUALLY THE LENGTH OF THE PAYOUT OF THE LOAN OF EMERGENCY LOAN? I'M I'M SORRY.
I HEARD YOU SAY KEEPING IT PRIVATE, BUT HAVE YOU IF WE GET THIS QUOTE UNQUOTE EMERGENCY LOAN, WHAT'S YOUR HOW LONG ARE YOU USUALLY EXPECTED TO PAY OUT YOUR LOAN? HOW MANY YEARS? NUTS BOND YOUR BOND COUNSEL, JONATHAN FRELS, HAD A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
AND BY THE WAY, HE DID MENTION TO ME THAT THERE ARE OTHERS IN THIS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE ONLY ONES DOING AN EMERGENCY NOTE.
OKAY. BUT THE AG SAID THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM GO BEYOND THREE YEARS.
AG SAYING NOPE, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IT GO BEYOND THREE YEARS.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YEAH, TRYING TO SEE HOW WHAT WE'RE BUYING OURSELVES HERE.
SO AND I, I THINK WHEN WE DO A PRIVATE TRANSACTION LIKE THIS.
RIGHT. RIGHT. WE'RE NEGOTIATING DIRECTLY WITH OUR BUYER.
AND YOU KNOW, WE MAY SAY IT'S ULTIMATELY A THREE YEAR BULLET OF 2 MILLION, BUT WE WANT THE RIGHT TO CALL IT AT ANY TIME AT NO PENALTY SO THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN PAY IT OFF, WE PAY IT OFF AND WALK.
THAT, IDEALLY, IS HOW WE WOULD THAT WOULD BE OUR ASK.
BUT JUST LIKE IN A PRIVATE TRANSACTION LIKE THAT, JUST AS A DEVELOPER MAY COME IN AND ASK YOU, I WANT YOU TO DO THIS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO THE INSTITUTION IS GOING, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS.
AND THEY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I NEED AT LEAST THIS.
SO IT'S IT'S A BACK AND FORTH.
SURE. WE LAND WHERE IN THE BEST POSITION TO ANSWER MY QUESTION.
SO DO WE WANT TO GO TO NUMBER 13 REAL QUICK.
[13. Discussion and possible action on Resolution No. 20240813-005; Resolution by the City Council of the City of Angleton, Texas, Authorizing Publication of Notice of Intention to Issue Certificates of Obligation; and Approving Other Matters Incidental Thereto.]
PUBLICATION OF NOTICE OF INTENTION TO ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND APPROVING OTHER MATTERS INCIDENTAL THERETO.NO. YOU WILL SPEAK TO THIS BECAUSE HE'S BACK. I THINK WE DELAY THIS.
AGREED. ANY QUESTIONS? I AGREE. YEAH. YEAH.
I THINK THAT WAS. THAT WAS OBVIOUS LAST MEETING.
JUST MY OPINION WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT LAST TIME, SO.
ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 23 UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 2025 BUDGET.
[23. Update and discussion on the Fiscal Year 2024-2025 Budget. (Part 1 of 2)]
WE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FORMAL AS AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, IF THERE'S IT'S AN OPEN FORUM IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING OR WHATEVER STAFFS STANDING BY TO ADDRESS.IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THOUGHTS ON THE BUDGET?
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YEAH. ON LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT I KNOW YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL REGARDING A LEGAL.I WANT WHAT WE'VE PAID AND LEGAL FOR THE 23 FISCAL YEAR AND NOW THE 24 TO DATE.
THAT DOESN'T JUST INCLUDE THE RANDALL LAW FIRM.
I WANT TO KNOW EVERY EXPENSES.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT EVERYTHING WE'RE PAYING IN LEGAL.
BUT I WANT IT BROKEN DOWN THAT WAY.
BUT ANY OTHER FEES? AND THAT INCLUDES PROSECUTION.
SO I WANT TO KNOW THOSE COLUMNS.
SO JUST A POINT OF CONVERSATION.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ANDREA CHARGES US TO COME OUT OF HERE, RIGHT? SHE IS THEN BILLED FROM THE CITY TO THE PROPER DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S AUSTIN COLONY, WHATEVER.
AND SO ALL THOSE EXPENSES AREN'T NECESSARILY JUST COST WITH NO REIMBURSEMENT. I UNDERSTAND I'M LOOKING TO FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE PAYING, OKAY.
IF WE'RE BEING REIMBURSED FROM SOME OTHER ENTITY BECAUSE IT'S ULTIMATELY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
I DON'T CARE. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S COMING OUT OF OUR OKAY, OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
SURE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT ALL.
AND WHAT ARE WE DOING THIS TWO WEEKS I DON'T KNOW.
SURE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I, I IF GOING DOWN THIS ROAD, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN REIMBURSED FOR, I WANT TO KNOW THAT TOO.
OKAY. BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE ALL YOUR LEGAL SPENDING AND THEN THE REIMBURSE VERSUS THE NON REIMBURSED.
SO I WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REIMBURSED.
AND IT WAS NOT I WANT TO KNOW THAT TOO.
SO YEAH SO SO WHAT WE DO Y'ALL HELP ME OUT HERE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE END OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR WE GO THROUGH ALL THE STUFF, RIGHT? SO IF AUSTIN COLONY WHATEVER WE SPEND TIME ON THAT, THAT GOES INTO A BILL.
SURE. AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE HIS $50,000 IN PID FEE THAT WE CAN DRAW AGAINST, WE WE THAT THERE'S AN ACCOUNT, RIGHT? SO IT'S BETWEEN 0 AND 50,000 THAT WE DRAW AGAINST IT.
UNTIL IT HITS A POINT WHERE WE ASK FOR REPLENISHMENT.
RIGHT. SO? SO WE WILL PRESENT THAT I'VE GOT A MEETING TOMORROW, BUT LIKE, HERE'S ALL THE BILLS WE'VE SENT OUT.
RIGHT. AND HERE'S THE PAYMENT WE'VE GOT BACK FOR THEM.
OKAY. SO WE'RE WE STARTED THAT PROCESS LAST YEAR.
AND SO WE'LL INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
YEAH. AND BUT ON TOP OF THAT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ACCOUNT IT'S GOING TO FILL.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ACCOUNT THE LEGAL FEES ARE GOING TO.
OKAY. IT IS SO MUDDY IN HERE I CANNOT FIND IT.
IT'S BURIED DEPENDING ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR PARKS OR ADMINISTRATION.
SO JUST KIND OF ADD TO THE CONVERSATION THAT THE CITY OF ANGLETON SHOULD NOT BE THE BANK OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON? WE SHOULD NOT EXTEND CREDIT.
I JUST WISH THAT IF IF THEIR ACCOUNT GOES ZERO, THEN WE STOP UNTIL THEY.
AND I DON'T WANT TO WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE MAY OWE $40,000 IN ARREARS TO IT.
SO. THEY NEED TO STAY CURRENT, JUST LIKE.
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WE DO WITH YOUR HOUSE PAYMENT OR CAR NOTE OR SOMETHING.THEY COME KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR.
OR LIKE WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT A LOAN TO STAY CURRENT.
WELL, WE GOT TO TAKE OUT A LOAN TO KEEP.
KEEP SOLVENT HERE AT THE CITY.
HOW DO WE DO A NET 30 OR NET 60? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY HAVE TO PAY WITHIN THAT TIME, OR THEY JUST PUT IT IN OUR ACCOUNT AND WE TAKE IT OUT.
WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, ON PIDS OR DEVELOPMENT FEES OR WHATEVER.
REALLY, IT'S CATCHING UP ON OTHER STUFF THAT GETS CAUGHT AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL PROVIDE THAT UPDATE AT THE NEXT MEETING ON WE YOU KNOW, WE SENT OUT LETTER X LAST DECEMBER FOR THIS AMOUNT AND WE GOT IT WHATEVER OR IT'S AND THEY RESPOND PRETTY QUICK.
I CAN'T TELL YOU BILL OTIS SOME OF THEM IT'S JUST.
CANDACE AND I TRY TO WORK ON THOSE ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
IT'S JUST THAT IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE INVOICES COME IN.
USUALLY THEY'RE 30 TO 60 DAY DELAY FROM THE PROJECT ISSUANCE OR REVIEW.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE SOMETIMES INDIVIDUALS WILL NOT COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
SO THEY'RE PENDING, IN OTHER WORDS.
SO WE'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION.
DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY ASSIGNED TO MANAGE ALL THAT? OR ARE WE JUST THROWING PEOPLE AT IT WHENEVER WE SEE THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR IT IN-HOUSE? IN THE DEPARTMENT, AS I SAID, CANDACE IS HAS BEEN ASSIGNED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
BUT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH FINANCE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ACCOUNTANTS.
I'M ON A CALENDAR. I KEEP A CHECK BOOK.
ALL RIGHT, SO I'VE BEEN PUTTING THIS ALL IN.
I HAVE EVERY DEPARTMENT'S TOTAL EXPENSE.
VERY RARELY DO WE EVER LOOK AT IT IN A ROLL UP SENSE.
I WILL TELL YOU, I STILL DON'T HAVE THE DECISION PACKAGES OUT OF 2024 BUDGET LINES, SO IT'S SKEWING EVERYTHING. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT I HAVE IT BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 21.
TOTAL BUDGETED EXPENSES FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND WAS 15.7 MILLION AND 22.
THERE WERE SOME COVID MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S STEADILY CREEPING UP.
24. I'M GONNA GO AND TELL YOU THE NUMBER, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT.
SO YOU GO FROM 17.5 AND 23 TO 18.2 AND 24 ESTIMATE.
AND THEN WE'RE JUMPING TO 20.3 AND BUDGETED 25.
THAT'S HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE WE'RE TALKING.
AND THE BUDGETED 25 YEAR DOES NOT HAVE THE DECISION PACKAGES IN IT.
SO THEN I START BREAKING IT DOWN BY WHAT'S THE BIG DRIVER? YOU KNOW IT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO POKE FINGERS AT ANYBODY.
I'M JUST THESE ARE NUMBERS THAT Y'ALL HAVE GIVEN ME.
I KNOW THOSE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE JUSTIFIED, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE TWO BIGGEST DEPARTMENTS RIGHT NOW IS POLICE AND PARKS AND PARKS GOES FROM
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3.4 WELL, FISCAL YEAR 23 1.2 MILLION.AND THEN ESTIMATING TO FINISH THIS YEAR AT 1.7 MILLION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD ON YOUR BUDGETS, BUT I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
IF EVERY DEPARTMENT CUT THEIR BUDGET.
THAT WOULD BE $129,000 REDUCTION TO POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT WOULD BE A $37,000 REDUCTION TO PARKS.
THAT WOULD BE A 35,000 REDUCTION TO PUBLIC WORKS.
THOSE ARE YOUR THREE BIG DRIVERS, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE BIGGEST DEPARTMENTS.
SO. AND THAT'S JUST 2% FROM THE PROPOSED 25%, 10% FROM PROPOSED 25.
SO WOULD STILL BE AN INCREASE, BUT JUST 2% LESS THAN THE INCREASE PROPOSED INCREASE BECAUSE, I MEAN, REVENUES HAVE INCREASED TO I HAVEN'T DONE THAT ANALYSIS, BUT I'LL GET THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS THIS YEAR ARE THE ENTERPRISE CHARGES.
SO THAT LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S A BIG PART OF THEIR INCREASE, RIGHT? AND PROBABLY PART IN PARTS TOO.
SO JUST BUT I WOULD HAVE SEEN AN OFFSET SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND I DIDN'T. EVERY DEPARTMENT IS UP.
LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW MUD AT ANYBODY.
IT'S JUST THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE GOT AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO, PHIL, HOW ABOUT WE SHOW THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING ALSO? SURE. THANK YOU.
I MEAN, ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT PERSONNEL COSTS ALONE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE FROM A PERSONNEL COST OF ALMOST 9,000,000 IN 21 TO ESTIMATING FINISHING THIS YEAR AT 10.8 MILLION.
AND THEN NEXT YEAR BEING AT 11.2.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PAY RAISES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 24 AND THE 25 BUDGET IS ABOUT A 3.5% INCREASE.
SURE, I'LL HAVE THAT. WHEN COLIN GETS BACK.
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST DRIVER IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A MENTALITY.
YOU KNOW, FINANCE DOESN'T OWN EVERY DEPARTMENT EXPENSE.
THE DEPARTMENTS OWN THE EXPENSE.
SO WE DON'T GET IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF MID-YEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
AND JOE'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'RE USING FUND BALANCE AGAIN.
IT'S JUST WE'VE GOT TO STAY CURRENT ON OUR ON OUR LINE ITEMS AND BE PRETTY DIRECT WITH THEM AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'S A TASK THAT EACH DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE MONITORING THEIR PAY.
HEY, WHERE DID I SPEND. RIGHT.
KEEP A LIST. AND I THINK PROBABLY SEVERAL OF THEM DO.
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I'M NOT INSINUATING THAT THEY DON'T, BUT.WE'VE JUST BEEN DEALT A BAD HAND THIS YEAR AND SOME OTHERS.
IT'S JUST SOMETIMES YOU JUST GOT TO HIT THE BREAKS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE AT THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW.
AND THIS IS SPEAKING TO THE DIRECTORS, I'M LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF THEM.
YOU KNOW, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EASY TO SAY NO.
WE WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR COLLEAGUES SITTING NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE NEEDS TOO AND WANTS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE TAXPAYERS AND THEORY.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO GO GO BE CAMPAIGN AND TELL PEOPLE WHAT WE DO WITH Y'ALL'S TAX MONEY.
SO SOME OF THOSE SOMETIMES YOU PROBABLY FEEL LEFT OUT AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S MEANT.
PERSONALLY, I, LIKE I SAID, I FIND IT HARD TO SAY NO.
AND BUT I ALSO REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M BEING A GOOD STEWARD WITH THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
AND NOT TO SAY THAT'S NOT AN INDICATION THAT YOU GUYS DON'T.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS SOMETIMES.
I THINK I'LL DO FANTASTIC WORK.
AND I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU'LL PROBABLY WISH YOU HAD MORE TOOLS AT YOUR SERVICE.
SOMETIMES YOU JUST LIKE CECIL SAID, YOU JUST GOT TO KIND OF DIG EVEN DEEPER.
AND I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
YEAH, I KNOW I DO THAT ALREADY.
THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW YOU DO IN A SMALL CITY.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE I'D LOVE TO HAVE A SOME SORT OF INDUSTRY THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY. BUT THIS IS THIS IS WHO WE ARE.
I MEAN, AND WE HAVE TO EMBRACE IT.
WE'RE ANGLETON. AND YOU KNOW, WE EMBRACE WHO WE ARE, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE GOING TO END THIS YEAR AT 18.2 MILLION.
SO WE TALK ABOUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS AND A LOT OF SPIN.
BUT I THINK EVERY YEAR YOU CONSISTENTLY COME IN WITH A BUDGET AND YOU ALWAYS BEAT IT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH EXTRA IN THAT BUDGET, RIGHTFULLY SO.
FOR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THINKING, MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HURRICANE AND WE GOT TO SPEND MONEY OR WE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, WATER LINES BUST AGAIN AND WE HAVE TO DO ALL THIS IMPROVEMENT.
OR CHIEF IS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TRAINING THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PERSONNEL.
BUT YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE NEVER FULLY STAFFED.
IT'S ALWAYS THERE'S ALWAYS TIMES WHERE YOU'RE DOWN, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET BACK UP.
BECAUSE. YOUR BUDGET, INCLUDING THE DECISION PACKAGES FOR 24 BUDGET YEAR WAS 23.1, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND 18.2 AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUDGET NOW 20.3.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FINISH SOMEWHERE AROUND 19 JUST BY TRENDING.
BUT WE GOT TO GET THESE DECISION PACKAGES OUT OF THE 24 BUDGET.
OTHERWISE IT'S MUDDYING EVERYTHING UP.
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I DON'T KNOW. I'M WORKING ON THAT.EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOOD, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT AGAINST THE BUDGET.
YEAH, FOR THIS YEAR, I'M WORKING ON THAT.
OKAY. PHIL, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE? SO THE BOOK THAT WE ALL HAVE HERE ARE PICKED UP.
WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE TO THESE VERSUS WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY GAVE US LATER IN THE MONTH? ISN'T IT? THERE ARE CHANGES.
I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE LIST OF CHANGES, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I DID THIS YEAR IS I WENT TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND SAID, LIKE IN THE CURRENT, LIKE THE ESTIMATE.
I ASKED THEM TO TELL ME WHAT THEY ESTIMATED IT SO THAT I'M NOT DOING A MATHEMATICAL ESTIMATION OF JUST TEN MONTHS OF EXPENSE TIMES 12 YEARS, SO I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION VERY WELL RIGHT NOW.
WELL, THAT'S YOUR OR THAT'S THE DEPARTMENT'S ESTIMATES, NOT YOUR CALCULATED ONE.
OKAY. I YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE THERE'S BEEN UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON FISCAL YEAR, ON THE FISCAL YEAR 24 AND 25 BUDGET.
IF YOU'LL TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO LINE ITEM 23, THAT'S WHAT IT IS TONIGHT.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF RESPONSE THAT IS WE CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET.
OKAY. I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
I CAN'T ANSWER ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A DEPARTMENT OF TWO PEOPLE THAT DO THIS SO I CAN GET YOU THE ANSWERS YOU NEED.
BUT I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE TONIGHT.
Y'ALL ARE NOT DRIVING THIS TONIGHT.
IF I DON'T HAVE IF I DON'T HAVE CORRECT FINANCIAL INFORMATION, I'M RIDING IN THE BACK SEAT.
HOW CAN YOU SET YOUR BUDGET? I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE LAST MEETING.
PHIL, PLEASE GIVE US THE UPDATE.
THIS SPREADSHEET IN FRONT OF YOU NOW IS A FUND BALANCE PROJECTION.
BASED ON THE RESULTS OF OUR AUDIT.
WE'RE BEGINNING THE YEAR WITH A FUND BALANCE OF $3,084,000.
THE BUDGETED REVENUES WERE 19 MILLION, AND THE BUDGETED EXPENSES WERE 18, 730.
WHICH WE WERE BUDGETING A FUND BALANCE INCREASE OF $305,305,000.
CURRENTLY, WE ARE ESTIMATING OUR REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE AT 18,650,000.
AND OUR EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE AT 18,825,000.
WITH THAT, SO WE'RE SHOWING A DECREASE IN FUND BALANCE OF $175,000.
HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK EVEN FURTHER, I'M SHOWING THE TWO STORMS ON HERE BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO HIT FUND BALANCE.
THE $742,000 IS THE NET AMOUNT OF WHAT IT WOULD COST THE DEBRIS REMOVAL COSTS AFTER FEMA PAYS AT SOME POINT.
SO WE'RE SHOWING AN ENDING FUND BALANCE.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROJECTING $1,800,000.
THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE'RE PROPOSING $20,291,000 IN REVENUES.
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$13,347. THAT WOULD GIVE US A BUDGETED FUND BALANCE AS OF THE END OF THE YEAR.YEAH. I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO MESS WITH THE FORMULA RIGHT NOW.
THE THE BUDGETED PACKAGES AS OF THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS $10,089,000, FOR A TOTAL BUDGET OF $30,000,367, $367,000 ON THE WATERFRONT.
WE HAVE A BEGINNING FUND BALANCE OF $2,318,000 IN BUDGET.
ON THE BUDGET REVENUES OF 11,249,000.
AND FOR A CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE OF $10,638,638.
RIGHT NOW WE SHOW BUDGETED REVENUE.
WE'RE PROJECTING REVENUES OF 11,475,000.
AND EXPENSES AT 12,289,000, FOR A NET DECREASE IN FUND BALANCE OF $813,000.
THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WITHOUT THE PACKAGES WE'RE PROPOSING, BUDGETED REVENUES OF 12,154,000.
EXPENSES OF 34,000 FOR A NET DECREASE OF $80,000.
SO A TOTAL BUDGET OF $14,696,000.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO IN SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE OR I'M OKAY.
GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, PLEASE.
OKAY. YOU MADE A COMMENT A WHILE AGO THAT YOU MOVED THE FLEET SERVICES OR YOU MOVED THE ENTERPRISE.
SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT 313 IS RIGHT THERE.
UNLESS THAT'S JUST A CATCH ALL FOR ALL THE REMAINDERS.
BECAUSE YOU ALL SAID EARLIER THAT THE TOTAL SPIN WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT 636 30.
AND I THINK YOUR FORMULA ON THIS SPREADSHEET IS CORRECT.
IT'S TAKING LINE NINE STARTING AT 2.9 MILLION.
AND THEN YOU'RE TAKING THE DIFFERENCE OF THE BETWEEN YOUR REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES OF THE 13,000.
AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING IT DOWN.
BUT IT SHOULD BE A PLUS OR MINUS BECAUSE I THINK THAT 13,000 IS A SAVINGS.
SO IT SHOULD INCREASE. SO THAT SHOULD BE RIGHT.
YEAH. THE 2,000,009 IS BASED ON.
IT'S BEFORE THE TWO STORMS ARE TAKEN OUT.
YEP. ROW NINE PLUS ROW 12 MINUS ROW 34 IT COMES UP TO 2,000,009. YEP.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, DID WE.
AND THIS GOES FOR ANYBODY THAT'S LISTENING IN THE, IN THE DEPARTMENT.
DID WE MAKE SURE THAT WE TOOK ALL STORM RELATED COSTS AND, AND SEPARATE THEM OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT AND MOVE THEM TO THEIR THESE SPECIFIC AREAS? I KNOW THAT I REMEMBER SITTING IN THE, THE EOC AND Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT IN YOUR LINE.
ITEMS. UP ABOVE HERE THAT IT IS ALL CAUGHT DOWN THERE ON 39 AND 40.
I'LL RE WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AGAIN.
MAKE SURE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT MUDDY WHEN WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES HERE.
I MEAN, GOING THROUGH ACCOUNTS EVERY DAY, LOOKING OKAY.
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BUT DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT FLEET SERVICES LINE? I WOULD HAVE TO.YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG INTO IT AND SEE.
BUT I WILL GET YOU THAT ANSWER TOMORROW.
OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG NUMBER.
AND IF WE MOVED EVERYTHING TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND THAT SHOULD THEORETICALLY NOT BE THERE.
I'LL JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS AND SEE.
OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU GAVE US IN THIS PACKET. YES, SIR.
YOU SAID EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD WENT BACK AND REDID THEIR ESTIMATES.
YES, SIR. AND YOU PUT THAT BACK IN HERE.
I ALSO NOTICED SOME OF THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGETED NUMBERS CHANGED AS WELL.
DID ANYBODY CHANGE THEIR BUDGET FOR 25 AS WELL? I THINK SOME OF THEM DID.
THEY MOVED. YEAH, I, I CAN TELL YOU MORE AFTER I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO FINISH GOING THROUGH THE DATA.
OKAY. BUT I DO TIE OFF TO YOUR NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE DOWN THERE.
277. 895 I'VE GOT THAT IN THIS BOOK HERE.
SO I CAN CONFIRM THAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A COUNCIL TIES BACK TO HIS SPREADSHEET RIGHT THERE.
BUT I ALWAYS GO BACK TO TRAVEL AND TRAINING.
AND ON A FOUR YEAR KEGGER, 24% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR OR THROUGH THAT FOUR YEARS.
WE'RE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET THEIR CGMS AND ALL THAT, BUT IT'S TIME TO GET SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.
I THINK THAT'S THE POLICY THAT NEEDS TO BE SET, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER HERE THAT'S TRAINING SOMEBODY AT THE CITY OF ANGLETON WHO'S GOING TO TURN AROUND AND LEAVE IN A SECOND AS SOON AS THEY GET WHATEVER CERTIFICATION THEY'RE WORKING ON OR TO MAINTAIN THAT CERTIFICATION AND TAKE OFF.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT.
WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S IT'S HUGE FROM WHERE WE WERE.
TO GO FROM 91,021 TO A BUDGET OF 213,025.
ESPECIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH TRAINING.
THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S ONLINE NOW.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL TO GO SOMEWHERE TO GET THE TRAINING AND THE CMS THAT YOU NEED.
YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE WEBINARS.
NOW, BRING A PERSON DOWN HERE FOR A CLASS VERSUS SENDING FIVE PEOPLE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO LOOK AT THAT.
WHAT ELSE WAS THERE? I'M GONNA PUT ALL THIS INTO NICE LITTLE GRAPHS FOR EVERYONE TO.
SEE? WE'RE AT THE POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE CAN SAY OUR OUR CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS A DEFINITIVE PERCENTAGE MORE THAN LAST YEAR'S.
OR IS IT STILL A BIT OF A QUANDARY OUT HERE? NO, THAT'S THAT'S THAT PERCENTAGE NUMBER THAT CAN WE COME UP WITH THAT? YEAH. AGAINST OUR ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FINISH.
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SURE. SIX A LITTLE OVER 6%, 6.1% INCREASE IN THE BUDGET.AND AGAINST LAST YEAR'S BUDGET OF 18.7.
YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP TELLING THE RESIDENT YOU GOT TO PAY ANOTHER 6%.
YOU GOT TO PAY ANOTHER 8%, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S ALL TAX.
WELL, THERE'S A PORTION OF OF SALES TAX.
WE ARE BUDGETING SALES TAX IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO THIS YEAR WE ARE SOME.
MEGAN, YOU SENT ME THE LATEST ONE.
WHO'S GOT IT? FIVE. ABOUT FIVE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS CUMULATIVELY FIVE.
YOU GOT YOUR NAME. BY THE WAY.
JOHN, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? WHAT WAS OUR YEAR TO DATE SALES TAX UP RIGHT NOW? CUMULATIVE. OH.
ON AVERAGE, WHAT WE BUDGETED LAST YEAR.
LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE BUDGETED A 9% INCREASE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING FOR NEXT NEXT YEAR.
OKAY. BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE IN THE SEAT OF HAVING TO DECIDE WHAT TO CUT AND HOW TO STRATEGIZE FUNDING.
ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WE DELAYED THE ABLAK MEETING UNTIL SEPTEMBER RATHER THAN AUGUST, IS BECAUSE NO DECISIONS WERE MADE. WE WERE HOPING SOME DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE TONIGHT.
WE'RE AT A 25% PERSONNEL TRANSFER AND TWO PARKS.
YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT A $72,000 SAVINGS OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
YOU JUST SPOKE TO THE COST OF A 2%.
I THINK YOU SAID THAT WAS AROUND 37.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF 2% IS 490,000 SPECIFICALLY FOR PARKS? OH, SPECIFICALLY FOR PARKS, RIGHT.
SO. AND THEN AGAIN TO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WOULD MAKE.
AND I'M WOULD BE TO ALLOW DEPARTMENTS TO TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME POTENTIAL CUTS.
I KNOW WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD MUCH PREFER TO HAVE RESOURCES IN SOME AREAS.
SO WE HAVE PREPARED A LIST OF THOSE ITEMS. AND SO IF THAT IS HELPFUL TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE AND WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSIDER BEFORE SPECIFICALLY TAGGING CERTAIN LINE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE CUT.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE GOING BACK TO THE TRAINING, TRAVEL AND TRAINING, A LOT OF EMPLOYEES SEE THAT AS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY WHEN THEY'RE NOT HAVING OTHER INCENTIVES ELSEWHERE. AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND CUTTING THAT BACK AND HAVING ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS.
I MEAN, IT'S THAT BECOMES A HARD RECRUITING TOOL ALSO.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
I'M NOT AGAINST CUTTING, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO CUT THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING.
I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ON BOARD WITH THE CITY.
AND I MEAN THAT THAT'S COMMON IN ANY BUSINESS YOU GO TO WHERE THEY HELP EDUCATE YOU OR THEY HELP TRAIN YOU, THEN YOU'RE ON THEIR DIME OR YOU HAVE TO. AND WE DO HAVE A TUITION REIMBURSEMENT POLICY.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT HERE SIMILAR TO THAT.
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I'M SORRY, BUT I WOULD GO WITH YOUR.YEAH. YOU'RE THE DIRECTORS YOUR BUDGET.
IF YOU CAN LOOK WITHIN YOUR BUDGET AND LOOK FOR LIKE JOHN SAID, 2% IN YOUR BUDGET.
IF YOU CAN FIND THREE, THAT'S YEAH BETTER.
BUT YEAH MORE THE BETTER. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW I DON'T CARE WHERE IT COMES OUT OF.
AND THIS AREA OVER HERE, WE COULD DO WITHOUT.
WE CAN TAKE OUT 2 TO 3% OR A 2% HERE AND ANOTHER PERCENTAGE OVER HERE, THEN DO THAT.
I'D PREFER YOU MANAGE YOUR OWN DEPARTMENTS, AND THIS IS THE WAY I'D RATHER SEE IT.
I MEAN, I APPRECIATE JOHN'S DIGGING IN THE WEEDS.
IF YOU JUST SAY, HEY, I CAN POINT TO THIS PLACE, I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE MAKING SAVINGS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE BOARD FLAT HERE, I'M FLAT HERE, I'M UP HERE.
OKAY. I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU AND MOVE ALONG.
AND THAT GOES TO EVERYBODY IN HERE.
I'M NOT JUST SPEAKING TO MEGAN BECAUSE SHE'S STANDING THERE, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, WE EXPRESSED THAT WE HAVE A ONE CONFERENCE THAT FALLS TWICE WITHIN ONE FISCAL YEAR, BUT IT'S GOING TO GO BACK DOWN. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS NUMBER INCREASE.
AND SO AND SAME FOR AGAIN PARKS TRAVEL AND TRAINING.
WE ADDED YOU KNOW LOCAL TEXAS AGRILIFE EXTENSION OFFICE TRAINING FOR GUYS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ANY KIND OF TRAINING OUTSIDE OF MAYBE AN ANNUAL LOCAL WORKSHOP.
AND SO IT PROVIDES AN OFFERING THAT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE FOR CONTINUING EDUCATION.
AGAIN, IT'S SEEN AS A BENEFIT AND INCENTIVE TO THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE.
AND AND YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF LONGEVITY WITHOUT HAVING THOSE ADDITIONAL CONSTRAINTS.
I STILL GO BACK TO IF YOU THINK YOU CAN FIND IT IN YOUR BUDGET.
I PERSONALLY DON'T. I'M INDIFFERENT AS TO WHERE IT COMES OUT.
AS LONG AS YOU LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN FULFILL YOUR OBLIGATIONS OR YOU KNOW.
WELL, HERE'S, YOU KNOW, IN LINE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, CHIEF, YOU AND HECTOR.
I MEAN, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT YOU GUYS AS WELL WITH, WITH LARGER DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS AND, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, DECISION PACKAGES THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FUND HONESTLY.
IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN GO THROUGH THERE WITH A SHARP PENCIL AND FIND SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL NOT ONLY TO, TO US, BUT TO YOUR DEPARTMENTS.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME FORWARD PROGRESS SO WE CAN TIGHTEN OUR BELT UP ANYWHERE AND AND STILL MOVE FORWARD AND POTENTIALLY COME UP WITH WITH FUNDS FOR FOR THOSE LUXURIES THAT I MEAN REALLY, I SAY THEY'RE LUXURIES.
WE'RE JUST WE'RE REALLY COUNTING ON YOU GUYS FOR THIS.
DID ANYBODY TAKE I CAN'T FIND MY IN MY BOOK.
I PROBABLY HAVE SOME. BUT WE MADE A LOT OF COMMENTS UP HERE THE PAST 2 OR 3 BUDGET MEETINGS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS WE WANTED TO FUND, CERTAIN THINGS WE WANTED TO CUT.
MARTHA, I KNOW VERY WELL THE DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT MOVING 20,000 AGAINST THE HOTEL MOTEL FUND.
I DON'T HAVE A WAY OF I DON'T HAVE A CAPTURE OF ALL THOSE CHANGES.
DOES SOMEBODY HAVE IT? I I'VE GOT MOST OF THEM IN MY OFFICE.
I'LL GET THEM TO YOU TOMORROW YET.
SEND THE WHOLE COUNCIL ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE SUGGESTED.
THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, BECAUSE I KNOW THOSE CHANGES ARE NOT REFLECTED IN HERE.
AND THAT CAN CHANGE THE BUDGET IN SOME CASES.
DID CHIEF'S CHANGE GET BROUGHT INTO THE BUDGET AS WELL? WHEN CHIEF CAME TO US AND SAID HE FOUND 400,000.
YES, THAT'S THAT'S BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE BUDGET THAT WAS REFLECTED.
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BECAUSE I'VE GOT CHIEF AT 5 MILLION, UP FROM 4.6 ESTIMATE.THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THAT, THAT LITERALLY THAT $400,000.
SO THAT ONE IS CAPTURED IN HERE.
ALL RIGHT. WERE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER? NOT ANY LARGE ONES THAT I CAN THINK OF.
OH, DID YOU GET THE REVENUE ON HERE? THE THE ESD MONEY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO RECEIVE THIS YEAR.
IS THAT REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET? I THINK SO.
WHERE IS IT? COUNCIL. I THINK I'M ALMOST OUT OF MY IDEAS FOR THE NOW, SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY JUST MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT TAX RATE, WHICH JUST CAME UP IN MY MIND.
DO WE HAVE A TARGET NUMBER WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST THROW OUT THERE AND SAID HIT IT.
IF YOU CUT 5%, THAT'S $1 MILLION, WHICH PUTS YOU BELOW THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OF 100.
AND. WHAT IS THIS 100? AND IT WOULD ONLY BE $153,000 INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR, WHICH IS LESS THAN 1%, BUT THAT'S A 5% CUT.
SO IF YOU ONLY CUT 2%, THAT'S 761,000.
NO NEW REVENUE IS 180,089 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO EVEN IF YOU GO TO MINIMIS, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 500,000.
THAT STILL DOESN'T GET YOU THERE.
THAT'S WHAT THE 2% CUT, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING 761,000 OF ADDITIONAL.
NOW YOUR SALES TAX 7% INCREASE.
THAT'S LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T DONE THE REVENUE SIDE OF THIS.
I'VE ONLY BEEN WORKING ON THE COST SIDE.
SO WHAT DO WE NEED? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO THINK? WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD TARGET PER DEPARTMENT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT, BUT I'D SAY OVERALL, WE'RE COMING UP.
WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER FOR OVERALL.
THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS A DEPARTMENT KNOWS HOW THEIR DEPARTMENT FUNCTIONS.
RIGHT. WHAT KIND OF MONEY THEY NEED AND WHERE THEY CAN CUT.
BECAUSE IF WE SAY, WELL, JUST CUT THIS MUCH MONEY.
WELL, THAT MIGHT JUST TOTALLY KNOCKED YOUR DOCTOR.
EXACTLY. WHAT WE'RE DOING BY SAYING HIT A TARGET OF.
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IF YOU IF YOU JUST TELL SOMEBODY TO WORK TOWARDS CUTTING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OUT OF THEIR BUDGET IF THEY CAN, THAT PUTS IT ON THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN EVERYBODY LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AS A WHOLE.I DON'T KNOW CECIL ME, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT.
LET'S LEAVE THIS ITEM OPEN AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO NUMBER 24.
[24. Discussion and possible action to approve Resolution No. 20240813-004 setting the proposed 2024 tax rate and setting the date(s) and time(s) for the required public hearing(s) for the 2024 Proposed Tax Rate and the 2024-2025 Fiscal Year Proposed Budget. (Tabled 8/13/24)]
TIME FOR THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2024 PROPOSED TAX RATE AND THE 2024 2025 FISCAL YEAR PROPOSED BUDGET.LET'S TALK ABOUT TAX RATES AND THE BUDGET THAT YOU'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS BASED ON THE INTEREST RATE REVENUE OF 808,651,000. HOWEVER, I TO BE CONSERVATIVE, I DID REDUCE THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FOR GENERAL FUND BY 2%.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BUDGETING, THAT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT EVERYTHING WE WE SAY.
SO I'M BUDGETING IN THE THE BUDGET HAS $8,478,000 IN PROPERTY TAX.
AGAIN, THAT'S BASED ON THE DE MINIMIS RATE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE BLUE SQUARES ARE, IS WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET.
NOW. THE THE NO NEW REVENUE, NO RATE IS THREE, 1261, AND THE DEBT RATE IS 0.083478.
THE TOTAL NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS 0.492858.
THE TOTAL DE MINIMIS RATE IS 0.541192, AND THE TOTAL VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 0.529883. THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU IS TO SET THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE THAT YOU WILL SET IF YOU DON'T.
IT IS BASED ON THE DE MINIMIS RATE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADOPT A TAX RATE AS HIGH AS WHAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT. THAT IS IT WAS WRITTEN THAT WAY TO GIVE GIVE YOU THE MOST FLEXIBILITY IN MOVING FORWARD.
AND. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER WHAT I CAN.
ALSO, YOU CAN'T GO THE OTHER WAY LEGALLY.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE TO DO THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN TO ADOPT SOMETHING SMALLER.
BUT YOU CAN'T ADOPT A TAX RATE AND THEN GO LARGER, RIGHT.
YOU CAN WORK YOUR WAY DOWN BUT YOU CAN'T WORK YOUR WAY UP.
WHAT'S THE CURRENT RATE? 4.52301. WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT? I'M SORRY. 52301.
I JUST DID SOME QUICK MATH THIS AFTERNOON.
IF YOU TOOK THE NO NEW REVENUE, RIGHT, YOU WOULD BE PAYING $90.46 IN TAXES LESS THAN LAST YEAR.
IF YOU TAKE THE DE MINIMIS RATE, YOU WOULD BE PAYING $54.55 MORE THAN YOU DO WHEN YOU.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REAL NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN.
THAT'S JUST. I JUST PICKED A NUMBER TO HELP YOU DO THE MATH WITH AND.
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YEAH. YOU RAISE TAX BY $1.PEOPLE SHOULD SCREAM. YOU RAISED MY TAXES.
WELL, WE'VE GOT HIT BY TWO STORMS. OKAY. SO WHAT DO WE DO? JUST SHUT THE CITY DOWN.
I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO TO TURN THIS THING AROUND AND CHANGE OUR TRAJECTORY.
YOU KNOW, JOE HAS POUNDED THE DESK AND SAID THAT WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, WORK TO GET THAT FUND BALANCE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING GETTING BERATED ON OUR CREDIT.
AND I KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT I'M PAYING PROPERTY TAXES.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE I MEAN, CECIL REALLY, YOU AND YOU AND TERRY REPRESENT A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE CITY POPULATION DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WOULD THAT WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH, WITH THESE INCREASES.
I MEAN. YOU KNOW, IN REALITY, TERRY, THIS INCREASE, IT'S THE BWA.
IT'S IT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING UP.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST US WANTING TO RAISE THE TAX RATE AND THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN INCOME PROBLEM.
OUR REVENUES HAVE GONE UP EVERY YEAR.
WE DO HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM, AND THAT WILL NOT BE SOLVED BY RAISING IT TO THE DE MINIMIS RATE, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING ON ANOTHER LOAN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PAY OFF WITHIN A 12 MONTH PERIOD.
YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANY OF THAT MONEY IN THE IN THE FUND BALANCE.
YOU'RE SPENDING EVERY BIT OF IT ALREADY.
I KNOW I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING I MEAN I THINK IT WAS WHAT, LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES AGO I SAID THAT WE NEED TO THERE NEEDS TO BE A DIRECT EFFORT BY THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO TO CUT THEIR BUDGET.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES, 33% OF OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME MONEY GOING.
I HONESTLY, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO BETTER THAN THAT, BUT THEY KNOW BETTER THAN I DO, JUST BASED ON WHERE WE WHERE WE'VE HAD INCREASES AND THEN WHAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR.
YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK TO KRISTEN AND GET THAT CHANGED AND UPDATED.
DID WE DID WE DO THAT BASED OFF NO GOING, NO DEBT SERVICE? NO, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THAT BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T TELL ME.
ASK ME TO WAIT UNTIL WE GOT GOT TO THIS POINT TONIGHT TO DECIDE.
BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS ALL THIS.
AND THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? WELL, THE INTERESTING THINKING THE HONEST RATE DID GO IS GOING UP IN HERE $0.02 FOR THE NEW DEBT DANCE WE TALKED ABOUT.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN IN FRONT OF ME.
0.0920201. I HAVE IT ON SPREADSHEET UP HERE, SO.
I ALSO WANT YOU TO MAKE A CORRECTION.
I AM WORRIED ABOUT WHAT I PAY IN PROPERTY TAXES.
I'M JUST NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE $54.
NO, YOU ALREADY SAID IT. THAT WAS NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY TAX.
THAT'S THE POINT I WAS ACTUALLY MAKING.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PLAY IT BACK. LAST YEAR WE WENT UP.
YEP. AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT LAST YEAR.
THE YEAR BEFORE THAT TOO. I MEAN YOU WENT DOWN ON THE RIGHT.
BUT YOU STILL KNOW I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR EFFECTIVE TAX DOLLARS, NOT THE RATE.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE RATE.
TAX DOLLARS MOST LIKELY WENT DOWN.
I KNOW LAST YEAR. IT WENT UP LAST YEAR WENT UP BECAUSE WE HAD DE MINIMIS OR JUST BELOW IT.
RIGHT. I THOUGHT IT WAS, WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING IS.
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WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IN AN ADDITIONAL $500,000 OF REVENUE.THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE ATE RIGHT THROUGH THAT.
WE DID. I THINK IT JUST GOES TO JOHN'S POINT, THOUGH. I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS KEEP DOING DE MINIMIS, BUT AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO TIGHTEN THEIR BELTS A LITTLE BIT, EVEN IF YOU DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT US COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES, WE'RE HAULING OUR TAXES.
OH I UNDERSTAND. AND SO ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE HERE.
WE'VE BEEN MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO BRING THAT TAX RATE FROM 0.7273 SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE, DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW OF 0.52.
I'M WITH YOU, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING OTHER THAN THAT, WE'VE GOT TO TIGHTEN OUR BELT.
I VOTED FOR THE RATE LAST YEAR.
I THINK THE MAYOR WAS DID NOT.
YOU'RE FREE TO VOTE, HOWEVER YOU ARE.
SO IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO TO KEEP CONTINUING RATE INCREASES.
I'M NOT ALWAYS A NO, AND I'M NOT ALWAYS A YES.
I THINK THERE'S TO ME IT'S A BALANCE THERE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT LAST YEAR.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED. BROUGHT IT UP AS MUCH WAS INFLATION.
INFLATION IS STILL KILLING EVERYBODY.
WE CAN PRETEND LIKE WE HAVEN'T STOPPED.
IT MAKES IT HARD TO RUN OUR BUSINESSES TO OUR RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN THE CITY.
BUT THE TAXPAYER IS NOT CATCHING THAT BREAK EITHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT CUTS BOTH WAYS.
WELL. I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT WE COULD MOVE TO THE NO NEW REVENUE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GIVE ANY HIGHER PERCENTAGES TO THE HOMESTEAD AND ELDERLY AND DISABLED.
THAT VOTE CAME. WELL, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, THAT'S WHAT I WHEN I VOTED FOR THAT, IT WAS MY INTENTION THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY GO NO NEW REVENUE SINCE I WASN'T GETTING ANY OFFSETS TO.
I'LL MOVE ON THOSE. WELL, I MEAN.
HONEY, I NEED YOU TO SEE SOME SUBSTANTIAL CUTS IN THE BUDGET.
WE WE SAID WE WERE COMMITTED TO PAYING PEOPLE THE GOING RATE.
THAT'S WHY THE RATE STUDY WAS DONE A FEW YEARS BACK.
THAT'S. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
CUT. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE CITY MANAGER TO GET WITH THEM.
WHAT? WHAT CAN YOU DO? YEAH. IF I WAS GOING TO PRIORITIZE ANY EXPENDITURES.
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IT WOULD PROBABLY BE FOR.DO SOME SORT OF COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT.
I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE APPRECIATED.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH THE REAL, REAL INFLATIONARY COSTS.
I DON'T THINK MOST DEPARTMENTS CAN DO THAT AND STILL LOOK AT OTHER PARTS OF THEIR BUDGET.
I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH YOU.
IF YOU CAN, I'M NOT ASKING TO CUT SALARIES OR ANY PROPOSED, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE OTHER WAY.
WELL, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
THEN WE NEED TO SET THE BAR RIGHT NOW.
I DO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A HIRING FREEZE COMPLETE.
NO, NO NEW HEADCOUNTS UNLESS THEY'RE BUDGETED.
AND I KNOW WE DID SAY SOMETHING ABOUT OTIS'S POSITION, AND I THINK YOU HAD ONE HECTOR GAUTIER.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE SHOULD BE NOBODY ELSE BEING HIRED.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO FIND WAYS TO CUT.
DO YOU MEAN, LIKE, NO ADDITIONAL NO ADDITIONAL HEADCOUNT OTHER THAN THE ONES WE'VE APPROVED IN BUDGET? THE ONES THAT ARE APPROVED, THEY'RE NOT FILLED.
JUST MAKING SURE. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT NOW AND IT'S OPEN, IT'S A VACANT POSITION.
NO ONE APPROVED ADDITIONAL HEADCOUNT.
HOW LONG CAN I SLOW WALK AN OPEN POSITION? WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
IT'S NOT THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD.
WELL, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THIS IS. THIS IS THE WAY THAT I HANDLE STUFF AROUND THE HOUSE.
AND SAME. AND AND PROFESSIONAL CAREER.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TO SET THE NEW RATE AT AT THE NEW REVENUE RATE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THIS NEEDS TO BE CALLED UP.
GET DOWN HERE! JOHN WRIGHT. MAYOR, I MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND I COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET?
[23. Update and discussion on the Fiscal Year 2024-2025 Budget. (Part 2 of 2)]
WE KIND OF JUMPED TO 24.BUT THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE LEFT.
COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
[COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL]
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OR SEE ON THE NEXT MEETING? OR ATTABOYS OR LADIES WHO WANT TO ASK? JUST TEMPORARILY. HECTOR.IF IF WE HAD, WE HAD A WATER CRISIS AND WE COULDN'T TAKE A DROP OF BUE WATER, WE'D TURN ALL OUR WELLS ON AND WE'D JUST SAY, WE STARTED OUT WITH.
FUNCTION FOR A WHILE? NO. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE ISSUES.
NUMBER ONE, THERE'S A THE TRANSMISSION LINE GOING FROM PLANT TO PLANT.
RIGHT. WELL, OUR RAW WELL WATER PUMPS THROUGH THAT LINE AS WELL.
SO THERE'S THERE'S ISSUES WITH THAT.
WE YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME BASICALLY.
BWR WATER YOU WOULDN'T BE TRANSFERRED TO BWR.
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AND THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE US THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE NEED BECAUSE WE USE EVERY DROP OF BWA'S WATER, THE 2.3 MILLION GALLONS, ESPECIALLY TODAY.YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AVERAGING, YOU KNOW, 2.5, 2.6 MILLION.
EVEN IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT WATER RATIONING OR SOMETHING, WE STILL COULDN'T.
WE STILL HAVE TO BE SOME PRETTY EXTREME RATIONS.
I'VE HEARD SOME EXTREME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW FUNKY THE WATER WAS.
OKAY. WELL, JUST JUST SO PUBLIC INFORMATION.
IF FOLKS KNEW WE HAVE TO TAKE THE WATER FROM BERMUDA OR YOU'RE JUST GOING TO NOT GET A DECENT DRINK.
I BELIEVE WE'VE BUILT OUR WATER SYSTEM AROUND THIS SURFACE WATER SUPPLY WE GET FROM THEM.
ALL RIGHT. THERE'S THE FREEDOM PARK.
YES, IT'S ONLINE AND WE ACTUALLY JUST STARTED USING IT TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO WE JUST IT'S BEEN ONLINE FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS NOW RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
SO WE HAD SOME ISSUES IN START UP, BUT WE GOT IT ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT.
I FORGOT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
YOU KNOW WHAT. WHAT ARE WHAT KIND OF GPM YOU GOT COMING OUT OF THERE OUT OF THAT? WELL, I BELIEVE WE HAVE I BELIEVE 650 GALLONS PER MINUTE IS WHAT WE HAVE COMING OUT OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE LOSE A LITTLE BIT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE WILL ADJOURN AT 1109 AND 51 SECONDS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.