Nov 12, 2024 City Council

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> FOR THE COURT?

>> SHOULD BE.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. COUNCIL IS NOW GOING TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 5512 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED THEREIN.

ITEM NUMBER 8, DELIBERATION CONCERNING THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF THE PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551.074 CITY OF ANGLETON.

COUNCIL, LET'S GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION 612.

[OPEN SESSION]

WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 7:34 AND 37 SECONDS. COUNCIL ANY ACTION?

>> YES. I MAKE A MOTION TO RETURN THIS ISSUE TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WAS OUR DECEMBER MEETING.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PROTENT TOWNSEND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS TO BRING THIS AGENDA BACK IN DECEMBER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?

>> ALL THOSE POSE, SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. MOVING ON.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. [LAUGHTER].

>> ARE YOU NOT GOING TO SAY THANK YOU?

>> STILL IT'S READY.

>> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO REGULAR AGENDA.

[9. Annual Collection Report for the City of Angleton given by Mike Darlow with Perdue Brandon]

ITEM NUMBER 9, ANNUAL COLLECTION REPORT FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON GIVEN BY MIKE GARLOTTE BRANDY.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU FOR A FEW MINUTES.

>> APPRECIATE IT.

>> I HAVE 45 MINUTES.

HERE, BUT I THINK I'LL CUT THAT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY FOR YOU.

ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THE FACT.

I'VE GOT FOR YOU AND I THINK YOU HAVE IT ALL ON YOUR LAPTOP.

HERE WE GO. THANK YOU, MICHELLE.

OUR COLLECTION REPORT, I JUST GO THROUGH A FEW THINGS WITH YOU AND AGAIN, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THIS IS THE UPDATE, I GIVE YOU EACH YEAR ON THE PROPERTY TAX AND OUR COURT FINDING FEE.

START OFF WITH THE PROPERTY TAX.

WHEN WE PREPARED THIS FOR YOU AT THE END OF LAST MONTH, YOU HAD 268,000 OF BASE TAX UNPAID FOR ALL YEARS THROUGH 2023.

YOU 2024 TAX BILLS WENT OUT BY THE TAX OFFICE RECENTLY, AND SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION I'M PROVIDING YOU TONIGHT.

SO OF THE MONEY THAT'S OWED TO YOU, HOW DO WE HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN? A COUPLE OF THE MAJOR CATEGORIES, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT EACH TIME, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE DEFERRALS, 34% OF YOUR ROLE INVOLVE PEOPLE THAT ARE OVER 65 THAT HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION DEFERRAL.

WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO COLLECT ON THOSE ACCOUNTS RIGHT NOW.

IN FACT, THE LARGEST ACCOUNT THAT IS OWED TO THE CITY IS A DEFERRAL.

IT GOES BACK TO THE YEAR 2007 AND OWES THE CITY ROUGHLY $8,800 BASE TAX PLUS PENALTY AND INTEREST, BUT NOT UNTIL THE DEFERRAL COMES OFF.

THOSE TYPE OF ACCOUNTS, WE JUST MONITOR THEM.

IF SOMETHING CHANGES, THEN WE REACH OUT TO THE HEIRS TO SEE ABOUT GETTING THE PAID IF IT'S NOT PAID IN THE COURSE OF A PROBATE OR THE SALE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THE OTHER ONE I'LL POINT OUT FOR YOU IS OUR LITIGATION, 50% OF YOUR ROLE.

WHEN OUR PHONE CALLS AND LETTERS DON'T WORK, WE DO FILE LAWSUITS.

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WE JUST TOOK JUDGMENTS IN SEPTEMBER.

WE'VE GOT OUR NEXT TAX DOCKET IN DECEMBER.

WE JUST HAD A TAX SALE A WEEK AGO.

WE HAD NO PROPERTY IN THE CITY ON THAT TAX SALE, BUT OUR NEXT COUPLE OF SALES IN DECEMBER.

THEN IN FEBRUARY, WE DO HAVE SOME PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF BANK SCHEDULE FOR TAX SALE.

OUR GOAL, OF COURSE, IS TO GET THOSE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OUT.

UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT LAST STEP TO REALLY GET THEIR ATTENTION.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT ANY PROPERTY THAT HAS TO GO TO SALE IS SELLING.

THERE'S STILL GREAT INTEREST FOR PROPERTY IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, AND OFTENTIMES THE PROPERTY SELLS FOR MORE THAN THE TAXES THAT ARE OWED SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO TAKE BACK PROPERTY OR HOLD IT IN OUR INVENTORY OR RESELL AND THEY OBTAIN.

LAST THING I'LL POINT OUT FOR YOU IS OUR ACTION PENDING.

THE LARGEST ACCOUNT I HAVE ON THAT WHICH REPRESENTS 35% OF YOUR ROLE IS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWES JUST 2023 TAXES, BUT ALMOST 8,000 OF BASE TAX.

WE HAVE A PAYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER.

WE REACHED OUT TO THE LENDER ABOUT TRYING TO EITHER GET THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PAY OR FOR THEM TO PAY.

WE ENDED UP GETTING AN AGREEMENT TO GET A VERY SHORT TERM PAYMENT AGREEMENT TO HELP THE OWNER. PAY THOSE TAXES.

THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE DOING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ON A REGULAR BASIS, TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S OUTSTANDING TO YOU.

MOVING ALONG, I'LL SKIP THE SECOND PIE CHART, GO TO THE THIRD ONE FOR YOU, WHICH JUST SHOWS YOU THE AMOUNT THAT'S OWED, HOW IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY YEAR.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE 23 TAX WHEN I PREPARED THIS FOR YOU, REPRESENTS $118,000, 44% OF YOUR ROLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THEN EACH YEAR PRIOR TO THAT, THE AMOUNT AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS TO THE TOTAL.

A GOOD BALANCE. THE NEWER THE DELINQUENCY, THE MORE COLLECTIBLE IT IS.

I'VE GIVEN YOU HISTORICAL COLLECTION RESULTS FROM THE 2018 YEAR FORWARD.

I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THOSE, BUT LET ME JUST SKIP AHEAD TO THE 22 YEAR, WHICH IS THE LAST COMPLETE YEAR WE HAVE FOR YOU.

ROUGHLY LAST JULY, THERE WAS $201,000 OF 2022 TAX WASN'T PAID.

IN THE FIRST YEAR CYCLE OF THAT THAT ENDED IN JUNE OF 2024, WE COLLECTED ALMOST 71% OF THAT.

THEN THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, ALMOST 78% HAS BEEN RESOLVED.

THEN MOVING ON TO THE LAST YEAR 2023, WHICH WE BEGAN BACK IN JULY OF THIS YEAR.

YOU CAN SEE THE TURNOVER WAS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL, $204,000.

>> A $1,000.

WHEN WE START ON JULY 1ST, YOU WILL HAVE COLLECTED ALMOST 98% OF YOUR CURRENT LEVY BY THE TIME THAT WE GET TO IT, AND SO A GOOD, STRONG, HEALTHY COLLECTION OF YOUR PROPERTY TAX.

THROUGH SEPTEMBER, REALLY THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF OUR COLLECTION CYCLE, ALMOST 47% OF THAT $204,000 HAS ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROPERTY TAX PORTION OF OUR REPORT.

>> IN DEFERRAL, THAT 93,000 SITTING THERE, YOU SAID THAT WHEN THEY PUT IT IN DEFERRAL, THEN ACCRUES PENALTY AND INTEREST, BUT IT WILL ACCRUE EVERY YEAR FOLLOWING?

>> WELL, ONCE THEY GET THE DEFERRAL, IT ACCRUES INTEREST ONLY AT 5%.

DEPENDING ON HOW MANY YEARS WE'RE DELINQUENT WHEN THEY GET THE DEFERRAL, THERE COULD BE PENALTY AND INTEREST THAT HAD ALREADY ACCRUED.

THEN THE DEFERRAL ENDS, WHICH ROUGHLY YOU GET NOW IT CHANGED THE LAW TWO SESSIONS AGO.

NOW, IF SOMEBODY PASSES AWAY, THEY HAVE A DEFERRAL, THEY HAVE THE FAMILY, IN ESSENCE, HAS 181 DAYS FROM THE TIME THAT THE TAX OFFICE SENDS A BILL, WHICH REALLY GIVES MORE THAN 180 DAYS, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THE IMPRESSION DISTRICT DOESN'T KNOW RIGHT AWAY THAT SOMEBODY DIED, USED TO BE FROM THE DATE OF DEATH.

THEY THEN HAD 181 DAYS TO PAY OR ALL THE PENALTIES AND INTEREST THAT HAD BEEN IN ESSENCE, PUT IN ABEYANCE BECAUSE OF THE DEFERRAL, YOU GET ADDED BACK ON NOW IT'S NOT BASED ON THE DATE OF DEATH.

IT'S BASED ON THE DATE THAT THE TAX OFFICE LEARNS ABOUT IT FROM THE APPRAISAL HISTORY, WHICH ARGUABLY ADDS AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF TIME.

BEFORE THAT CLOCK STARTS BACK UP.

>> FOR THAT 34% OF THAT, IS THAT I MEAN, Y'ALL WORK WITH A LOT OF CITES, IS THAT NORMAL?

>> PART OF IT DEPENDS ON THE AGE OF THE POPULATION.

I WILL TELL YOU I HAVE SOME CLIENTS THAT'S 50%.

THIS IS IN THE RANGE.

I MEAN, I GO BOTH BOTH DIRECTIONS.

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IT'S REALLY MORE AGAIN A COMMENT ON WHAT'S COMP WE HAVE MORE OF AN AGING.

>> THAT'S REALLY NOT SURE IF YOU WILL.

THEN THE STUFF THAT'S PRIOR TO 2016, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU TO GO TO SALE?

>> TO GO TO SALE, IF IT'S REAL PROPERTY, IF I FILED SUIT TODAY, AND IT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL A NORMAL CASE AS YOU HAVE ONE OWNER, ONE LIEN HOLDER, THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO GET SERVED, I CAN BE IN COURT BY FEBRUARY, I HAVE A JUDGMENT AND I CAN SELL IT BY LATE SPRING, ROUGHLY.

IF IT GETS COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE'S MORE DEFENDANTS THAT CAN'T BE FOUND.

THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT DELAYS IT, IT COULD TAKE UPWARD OF A YEAR TO FINISH IT UP.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT'S INVOLVED.

WHEN WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS AN AIRSHIP, AND I HAVE A CASE RIGHT NOW.

I'VE GOT 30 DEFENDANTS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU HAVE FOR ALVIN.

IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET 30 PLUS PEOPLE SERVED, SO THAT TYPE OF CASE TAKE.

>> WELL, THEN WHAT'S THE BIG REASON FOR THE 2016.

>> THE 16S HAD REALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL PROPERTY.

WHAT THEY REALLY HAVE TO DO WITH WHEN THEY'RE THAT OLD BUSINESSES THAT ARE NO LONGER IN BUSINESS, BUT IT'S NOT OLD ENOUGH TO COME OFF OF THE TAX ROLL BY LAW HAS TO BE 10-YEARS-OLD TO BE REMOVED FROM THE TAX ROLL IT WOULD BE SOME MOBILE HOMES, AGAIN, NOT THERE OR YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY FORECLOSING ON A MOBILE HOME THAT MAY ONLY HAVE A PRESENT VALUE OF SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLAR BECAUSE IT'S AN OLD MOBILE HOME, AND YOU FACTOR IN IF YOU'RE GOING TO SELL IT, YOU MAY HAVE TO MOVE IT FIRST.

IT JUST BECOMES INEFFECTIVE FROM THAT WAY.

THE ONLY REAL PROPERTY THAT GOES BACK THAT FAR MAYOR WOULD BE BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, WHAT I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER, WOULD BE THAT DEFERRAL, BUT THAT'S NOT THE BULK OF THAT MONEY.

I THINK IT'S A MIXTURE OF DEFERRALS AND ACCOUNTS THAT ARE NO LONGER VIABLE TO COLLECT.

MOVING ON, I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR COURT FINDING FEE EFFORTS FOR YOU.

GIVING YOU A SUMMARY OF OUR ACTIVITY FROM THE BEGINNING.

WE'VE BEEN TURNED OVER A LITTLE OVER 9.5 MILLION DOLLAR OVER TIME TO COLLECT FOR YOU.

WE'VE COLLECTED OVER 3.7 MILLION IN CASH.

THE COURTS HAVE DISMISSED A LITTLE LESS THAN 4 MILLION FOR TOTAL AGGREGATE RESOLUTION RATE BETWEEN CASH AND NON-CASH OF 80% OF THE DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO US YOU CAN SEE HISTORICALLY HOW MANY LETTERS WE'VE MAILED, ADDRESSES WE'VE CORRECTED PHONE NUMBERS AND PHONE CONTACTS THAT WE'VE HAD.

THEN I PROVIDED YOU THREE MAPS.

THE LAST MAP IS THE MOST INTERESTING MAP TO ME BECAUSE IT IS A MAP OF THE UNITED STATES AS CHIEF KNOWS, HAVING A GOOD ADDRESS OR THE PERSON THEY STOP IS KEY TO COLLECTION OFTENTIMES PEOPLE GET STOPPED AND THEY MOVE AND TO CHANGE THEIR ADDRESS WE'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

I'M TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND GET THEM TO COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

WE MAKE NO DECISION ON WHETHER SOMEBODY'S CASE SHOULD BE DISMISSED OR NOT.

OUR JOB IS TO DRIVE THEM TO THE COURT AND LET THE JUDGE HEAR THE MATTER TRY TO RESOLVE IT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BULK OF COURSES IN TEXAS, BUT YOU HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE CITY BANK AND GOTTEN TICKETS STILL OWE YOUR MONEY THAT LIVE AROUND THE UNITED STATES.

WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GO INTO ANY MORE DETAIL ON ANY OF THESE TOPICS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ON.

>> ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE.

FOR BOTH OF THESE GROUPS, WHEN DO YOU GET INVOLVED? WHAT'S THE STAR WHAT'S THE STARTING LINE FOR YOU?

>> ON THE PROPERTY TAX, LET'S USE 2024 TAX BILL JUST WENT OUT.

>> SURE.

>> ON APRIL 1 OF 2025, IF SOMEBODY HASN'T PAID TAXES ON THEIR BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY OR THEIR MOBILE HOME, WE START.

ON JULY 1 OF 2025, WE START ON ANY REAL PROPERTY OR MINERAL ACCOUNTS, WE HAVE MINERAL ACCOUNTS FOR THE CITY.

WE START ON ALL OF THE REAL PROPERTY ACCOUNTS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

THAT'S WHEN THE MAXIMUM PENALTIES AND INTEREST GO INTO INTO PLAY IN THOSE TWO DIFFERENT TIME OUR COLLECTION FEE GOES INTO PLAY, I SHOULD SAY, IN THOSE TIME FRAMES.

THE MAXIMUM PENALTY AND INTEREST AND THE COLLECTION FEE GO INTO PLACE ON JULY 1, AND THEN IT ACCRUES INTEREST AT 1% FOR THEREAFTER, YOU'LL PAY.

ON THE COURT FINED FEE, IT'S 60 DAYS IN ESSENCE, AFTER THE TICKET IS ISSUED THAT'S A 30% ADD ON IT.

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AS NOTHING THAT WE DO COST THE CITY ANY MONEY.

ALL OF THE FEES ARE STATUTORY, THEY'RE ALL PUT UPON THE PORTION THAT REQUIRES OUR SERVICES TO COLLECT BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKEN CARE BY THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE HDR ENGINEERING PROPOSAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $58,100 FOR THE DESIGN BID AND CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION FOR THE BG PARK SOCCER COMPLEX FIELD REGRADING PROJECT.

>> HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

[10. Discussion and possible action to approve HDR Engineering proposal in the amount of $58,100 for the design, bid, and construction administration for the BG Peck Soccer Complex Field Regrading Project.]

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. STAFF OR APPROACH STR TO PROVIDE A PROPOSAL FOR THE REGRADING AND ADJUSTING OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AT THE BG PARK SOCCER COMPLEX.

CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 10 SOCCER FIELDS OUT THERE THAT ARE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIABLE IN PLACE.

WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF DISCUSSING THE EXISTING IRRIGATION, THE DEPTH OF THE IRRIGATIONS, HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PROJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UNTIL THE ACTUAL GROUND UP TO GET RID OF THE DIRT OR DISC IT.

THEY BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE TWO FOOT DEEP TO WE WON'T GET INTO IT.

WE'LL STILL HAVE TO GO AND PLUG THE SPRINKLER HEADS DOWN BELOW THE GROUND, COME BACK AND RECONNECT THEM AT THE END OF THE REGRADING, WHEN WE RAISE THEM BACK UP TO THE NEXT ELEVATION.

THE FIELDS WILL BE GRADED. WE'RE GOING TO LIFT THEM UP ABOUT FOUR INCHES, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT 1% SLOPE ON THEM TO MATCH WHAT THE SOCCER FEDERATION WANTS ALL OUR FIELDS TO DO.

WE WILL ALSO WORK ON THE INTERNAL DRAINAGE TO BRING THE WATER OUT TO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE ON THE PERIMETER OF IT, WHERE ONCE THE WATER SHEET FLOWS OFF OF THE FIELDS, IT'LL BE COLLECTED AND SLOWLY MEANDER BACK OUT IN THESE WELLS.

WE HAVE INCLUDED THE DESIGN PHASE, THE BID PHASE, AND THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, TYPE OF SERVICES THAT WE NORMALLY DO FOR THE CITY ON THIS.

WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DONE THE SURVEYS.

WE KNOW THE LAYOUT, WE KNOW WHAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE.

AS A PRECURSOR TO THIS THE STOCKPILE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FIELD DIRT OUT THERE THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE REGRADING OF THE PROJECT.

THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE USING THAT DIRT TO GET THESE GRADES.

ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN HERE IS THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS ASSUMING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ONE BID.

IF IT GETS BROKEN OUT INTO SEVERAL BIDS, WE'LL HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL FEES PER BID PER CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION JUST BECAUSE IT'S THAT STEP AGAIN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF BID SETS.

MAYOR, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING WITH ONE RIGHT NOW, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. WE'LL SPEAK TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY.

WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED TO DO WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS GET THE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ENTIRE COST IS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT GONE OUT TO BID.

WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION COST WILL BE.

IN THE SCOPE, WE WILL REQUEST THAT THIS BE ITEMIZED SO THAT WHEN WE GET THOSE BIDS IN, WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE REMAINING FUNDS THAT WE HAVE LEFTOVER IN THE ABLC 2024 BOND DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT AND ASSESS WHAT WE CANNOT AFFORD WITH REGARDING CONSTRUCTION, AND IF WE WANT TO ADD OR CONTRIBUTE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

>> WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE, THE 58,000 IS COMING OUT OF THIS BOND?

>> RIGHT. WHAT WAS DEDICATED WAS 250,000 FOR THE LIGHTS.

WE SPEND 176, SO THE REMAINING FUNDS WE'RE UTILIZING FOR THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY SO THAT WE CAN GET THE DESIGN WORK, WE CAN ADVERTISE THE BID AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, GET THAT AMOUNT ITEMIZED AND KNOW HOW PROCEED NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WHAT WE HAVE REMAINING, WHAT WE HAVE IN PARKLAND DEDICATION THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE, WHAT THE ANGLETON AND SOCCER CLUB HAS TO CONTRIBUTE AS WELL, SO WE JUST HAVE NO IDEA AT THIS POINT.

>> DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO DO ALL THREE PHASES IN THIS APPROVAL OR SHOULD WE JUST DO THE DESIGN AND THEN COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT THE BID AND CONSTRUCTION?

>> IF WE DO THE DESIGN, IN ORDER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BID RIGHT, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BID IS GOING TO COME OUT.

AGAIN, WE WILL REQUEST THAT THAT BE ITEMIZED SO THAT IF WE SAY, HEY WE CAN ONLY AFFORD TO DO X FIELD THIS TIME, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH.

BUT JOHN'S JUST TRYING TO CONVEY THAT IF WE BEGIN TO DO ONE AT A TIME,

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THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO BE TACKED ON.

>> COUNCIL.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS FOR THE APPROVAL FROM HCR ENGINEERING, PULLING THIS FROM THE ABLC PROJECT BALANCE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE?

>> I TELL YOU GET OUT THERE AND YOU LOOKED AT THE SOIL.

IT'S STOCK FILED OUT THERE.

>> YES, IT'S.

>> IT'S I WON'T GROW.

>> IT'S NOT FIELD DIRT.

>> GRASS WILL GROW ON THE DIRT YOU GOT OUT THERE THE FIELDS AND THEY WILL START TO GROW IN THAT DIRT, SO THERE ARE NO ORGANICS IN HERE, IT'S LIKE A PILE OF BANK [INAUDIBLE].

>> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

>> WHAT WE CAN DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU IN DESIGN PHASE.

>> I HAVE TO DISC IT IN.

>> YOU HAVE TO PAL THE TOP LAYER OF PUT THIS DOWN AND LAY BACK ON TOP.

>> IF WE DO THAT, AND WE'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY REPLACE THE ENTIRE IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

WITH THE DIRT, WHAT [INAUDIBLE] SAYING IS THAT IT'S NOT FIELD DIRT THERE'S NO ORGANICS.

IT'S NOT TOP SOIL, SO GRASS IS NOT GOING TO ROLL ON THAT IS WHAT [INAUDIBLE] WAS SAYING.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHEN WE DO THAT, WE MAY NEED TO PULL THE TOP EIGHT, NINE INCHES. CHECK STOP PILING.

PUT THAT IN THERE, ERASE IT UP AND THEN PUT THE TOP SOIL BACK OVER THE TOP OF IT THAT WAY YOU CAN GET A NICE SYSTEM.

IF THAT HAPPENS, I WILL HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

JUST REIGN THOSE TWO FIELDS.

>> WE CAN CERTAINLY ASSESS THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE DESIGN.

IF THAT'S WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, CERTAINLY DO THAT.

>> I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IF IN THE END, IF THAT'S GOING TO USE THAT FIELD COSTS MORE MONEY, THEN I MAY NOT WANT TO USE THAT OR FIND THE PLACES THAT YOU CAN USE IT, I GUESS.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NUMBER 11, DISCUSSION,

[11. Discussion, update, and possible action on the proposed City of Angleton Comprehensive Fee Schedule as related to the User Fee Study. ]

DATE AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED CITY OF ANGLETON COMPREHENSIVE FEE SCHEDULE AS RELATED TO THE USER FEE STUDY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE THE ITEM.

REAL QUICK FOR YOU.

IN YOUR LAST MEETING, WE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU THE APPENDIX TWO WHICH OUTLINED THE PROPOSED FEES FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE FEE SCHEDULE.

WE JUST WANTED TO UPDATE THE CONSOLE SINCE THE LAST MEETING, SOME THINGS HAS HAPPENED WITH ADORA.

WE DID INVITE LATA FROM ADORA GANDA, THE CONSULTANT DOING THE COMPREHENSIVE FEE PROPOSAL AND STUDY.

SHE'LL COME BEFORE YOU AND DO A QUICK POWER PLANT.

THEN I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

TONIGHT IS AN ACTION ITEM, BUT HOWEVER, IT IS A WORK SESSION.

WE'RE HOPING THAT MAYBE GET DIRECTION FROM YOU TONIGHT AND COME BACK WITH THE FINAL SUBMISSION FOR ACTION IN YOUR NEXT MEETING OR TAKE DIRECTION FROM YOU.

THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN THE POWERPOINT THEN MEGAN AND I JUST HAVE SOME INITIAL COMMENTS THAT WE'LL BRING BEFORE YOU AS WELL.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LADA KRISHNA.

I'M WITH OUR DURA. MAYOR AND COUNCILS, IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK HERE.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO WE'RE STAYING OUT OF TROUBLE.

[LAUGHTER] BUT AGAIN, IT WAS V HUB CITY LOOKS FOR THE FEE SCHEDULE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OPPORTUNITY TO ADJUST THE FEES.

I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS.

NEXT. I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AGENDA AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT, INCLUDING THE CONSIDERATIONS, ONE OF THE CONCLUSIONS, THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU AND THEN THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT THAT WAS RECEIVED ON THOSE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN THE SECOND SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST SET AND THE SECOND SET IS BASICALLY THE PARK FEE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.

YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN A LOT OF IT, SO I'M GOING TO KEEP IT REALLY QUICK.

NEXT, PLEASE. JUST A LITTLE BRIEF ON WHAT IS A USER FEE?

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AGAIN, A USER FEE IS A FEE THAT IS CHARGED FOR THE SERVICE PROVIDED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

SOME FEES HAVE GLOBAL BENEFITS WHILE SOME FEES HAVE DIRECT BENEFITS.

WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO UPDATE THE FEES? AGAIN, IN ANGLETON, IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.

THE LIST STARTED OFF AND THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST OVER THE YEARS.

THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ALL THE FEES TOGETHER SO THAT IT'S MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY.

PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO LOOK FOR THE FEES.

ALSO TO SEE IF IT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

THEN ALSO TO CUSHION THE CITY AGAINST REVENUE FLUCTUATIONS.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME POLICY AND LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE YEARS ON HOW SOME OF THESE FEES CAN BE CALCULATED.

THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED HERE.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME NEW APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED.

CITY HAS UNDERTAKEN SOME STEPS TO ENHANCE CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS AND ALSO TO SEE IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES NEEDED TO PROCESS AN APPLICATION.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S TIME FOR ANGLETON TO LOOK AT THEIR FEE STUDY.

TYPICALLY, THE CITIES LOOK AT THEIR FEE STUDIES EVERY 3-5 YEARS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CURRENT AND THERE'S NOT ANY MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR REVENUES.

THE ANGLETON FEE STUDY WAS UPDATED MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO, AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT COMPILING ALL THE FEES THAT WERE ADOPTED THEN AND OVER THE YEARS, AND THEN LOOKING AT A COMPARISON WITH OTHER CITIES DO.

NEXT, PLEASE. SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE LAST FEE UPDATE WAS LOOKING AT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND I'M SURE I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

THERE HAS BEEN IMPROVED CUSTOMER SERVICE.

THEY HAVE TWO FULL TIME STAFF.

THERE HAVE BEEN ASSISTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN HIRED FOR RECREATION CENTER, PARK MAINTENANCE AND FACILITY NEEDS HAVE IMPROVED.

PARKS HAS UNDERTAKEN A LOT OF BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS LIKE PICNIC TABLES, BENCHES, WATER FOUNTAINS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

LOT OF ADA IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND WIFI AND LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PARK.

ALSO, A LOT OF NEW AMENITIES HAVE BEEN ADDED LIKE THE FISHING HERE, THE GOLDEN CORRAL, BOAT AND PINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AS YOU CAN SEE OVER THE YEARS, THERE HAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PARK SYSTEM. NEXT PLEASE.

IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE CITY IS ON AN ONLINE PERMITTING PLATFORM NOW.

THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS ENTERED IN TIME IS STREAMLINED.

SOME OF IT WAS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHANGES IN THE STATE LAW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO PLATTING.

THERE WAS A NEW TIME PLOT THAT WAS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADOPTED.

THERE IS A SUBSCRIPTION, FOR GIS SYSTEMS IS WIDELY USED BY YOUR CITIZENS.

NOW, IT IS AN IVOR WORK PORTAL ELECTRONIC PAYMENT PROCESSING, AND YOU ARE AWARE OF THE DOG OR THE DEVELOPMENT ANGLE WORKING GROUP MEETING THAT MEETS WITH DEVELOPERS AND CITIZENS ON A REGULAR BASIS TO HAVE THEM NAVIGATE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SOME OF THOSE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. NEXT PLEASE.

THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED WAS AFTER WE COMMENCED THE FEE STUDY IN APRIL 2023 DID A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION, ANALYZED THE DATA THAT WE RECEIVED AND CAME UP WITH THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE CALL IT THE FIRST SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT.

THAT WENT THROUGH SOME MORE STAFF REVIEW AND THEN WENT THROUGH A STAKEHOLDER INPUT PROCESS.

I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

THEN WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE SECOND SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

ONCE AGAIN, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIRST SET AND THE SECOND SET IS WHAT RELATES TO THE PARK FEE. NEXT PLEASE.

SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS THAT WERE MADE FOR THE CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE WAS ONE THAT THE FEE ORDINANCE DID NOT INCLUDE ALL THE FEES THAT ARE BEING COLLECTED, LIKE FEES FOR PLANTS, PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, VARIANCES, SPECIAL SUPS, WERE NOT ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE FEE ORDINANCE.

THAT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED.

ALSO, THE FEE ORDINANCE DOES NOT INCLUDE FEES FOR CERTAIN APPLICATIONS, LIKE TREAT PLAN, SOME DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE JUST MISSING FEES.

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THE THIRD THING THAT CAME UP WAS THAT THE FEES WERE NOT ORGANIZED IN A USER FRIENDLY MANNER.

THE FEES WERE BASED ON THE ORDINANCE NUMBER OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES.

IT DIDN'T FLOW LOGICALLY, SO THERE WAS A NEED TO ORGANIZE THEM BASED ON PURVEYANCE, INSPECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEN CERTAIN FEES WERE BEING CHARGED AS A DEPOSIT.

WITH THAT DATE WAS, IT MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.

UNUSED FEES HAD TO BE RETURNED.

IF THERE WAS ADDITION FEE NEEDED THROUGH THE PROCESS, IF THERE WERE A SECOND SET OF REVIEW OR A THIRD SET OF REVIEW, ESPECIALLY WHEN THIRD PARTY REVIEWERS INVOLVED, THOSE FEES HAD TO BE ADDED ON LATER.

THERE WAS A SENSE OF UNCERTAINTY AS TO WHAT THE TOTAL FEES WOULD BE FOR BOTH SIDES. NEXT PLEASE.

WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, THE THOUGHT WAS, STAFF HAD ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE COST RECOVERY AND NOW THIS CERTAIN STATES USE THAT METHOD WHERE LOOK AT THE PROCESSING TIME AND HOW CAN WE RECOVER THE COST THAT STAFF PUTS IN.

BUT PRETTY SOON IT WAS FOR ANGLETON.

WE FOUND THAT THE TIME THAT WAS ESTIMATED WAS REALLY NOT A TRUE REFLECTION OF THE ACTUAL TIME THAT THE STAFF SPENT.

TYPICALLY, THAT HAPPENS IN SMALLER CITIES WHERE ONE STAFF PERSON IS MULTITASKING AND DOING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

HOW MUCH TIME DOES IT REALLY TAKE TO DO AN INSPECTION? YOU GO OUT, AND YOU MIGHT BE COVERING TWO SIDES IN ONE TRIP.

YOU MIGHT BE TALKING TO AN APPLICANT ON THE PHONE A FEW TIMES A DAY.

THOSE THINGS JUST DON'T GET REFLECTED.

THE SECOND TYPE OF ANALYSIS WAS, THE THOUGHT IS LET'S JUST LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA ARE CHARGING, AND THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER REFLECTION OF THE REGIONAL LOCAL CONDITIONS, LOOKING AT YOUR NEIGHBORS AND MORE PARTICULARLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THAT THE CONCLUSION THERE WAS THAT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT IF YOU LOOKED AT SOME BENCHMARK CITIES, THAT ANGLETON COULD ACTUALLY RAISE THE FEES.

IT WAS MUCH LOWER THAN THE SURROUNDING CITIES.

ALSO, WHAT WAS SEEN WAS SOME CITIES WERE CHARGING FEES FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT ANGLETON WAS NOT CHARGING.

THIS IS THE SAME SET OF CONTRACTORS, DEVELOPERS WHO ARE USED TO DOING WORK IN MANVEL AND PEARLAND.

THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF ANGLETON CHARGED FOR SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES WERE CHARGING.

ALSO, THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY REQUIRE CERTAIN FEES TO BE CHARGED, BUT THE FEE SCHEDULE DID NOT HAVE THOSE FEES.

TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS UPDATED.

THEN ALSO AT SOME AN AIM WOULD BE UPDATE OR AN INCREASED MECHANISM.

NEXT, PLEASE. BASED ON THIS CONCLUSION, SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT CAME UP THAT WERE USED FOR THE STRUCTURE WAS ONE THAT THE GENERAL CONSIDERATION IT NEEDED TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND EASY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE FEES WAS.

SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT WERE LOOKED INTO WAS, MAKE SURE THAT THE REVENUE THAT CAN BE USED FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IS NOT USED TO COMPENSATE OR SUBSIDIZE AN APPLICATION.

IF YOU DON'T CHARGE THE FEE THAT OTHER CITIES ARE CHARGING, AND YOU'RE BASICALLY SUBSIDIZING A DEVELOPER BY USING CITY RESOURCES TO PROCESS THE APPLICATION.

THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT.

TO MAKE SURE IT WAS EQUITABLE.

THEN THE SECOND WAS WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY DUE TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR SERVICE.

LOOK AT IS THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

THEN THIRD WAS OF COURSE STATE LAW COMPLIANCE.

STATE LAW DOES HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN TYPE OF FEES AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED.

MAKE SURE THAT THE FEE STRUCTURE WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAW.

ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE FEES WAS PROPORTIONAL TO THE COST OF IMPROVEMENT.

WHICH MEANT THAT SAY, IF THE COST OF GETTING APPLICATION TO REPLACE YOUR WATER HEATER WAS ACTUALLY MORE THAN THE COST OF THE WATER HEATER ITSELF, THEN THAT'S A GREAT DISINCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND GET A PERMIT.

WHICH ALSO MEANS THAT IT'S NOT BEING INSPECTED, IT MIGHT NOT BE HEALTHY, IT MIGHT NOT BE SAFE.

LOOK AT SOME OF THAT.

ARE THESE FEES PROPORTIONAL TO THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE?

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THEN, OF COURSE, COMPARISON TO BENCHMARK CITIES, THAT'S ALWAYS REALLY HELPFUL, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE.

NEXT, PLEASE. THE FIRST SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU SAW, THE FIRST THING WAS TO REORGANIZE THE FEE STRUCTURE BASED ON THE TYPE OF APPLICATION AND THE ACTIVITY SO THAT IT WAS EASY TO FIND.

ALL PLATES WERE LISTED TOGETHER.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER PLACE WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN DEVELOPMENT PLAT SHOWED UP SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT WAS JUST MISSING FEE.

THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT PROCESSING FEE WAS ADDED TO MOST OF THE APPLICATIONS SO THAT THE MINIMUM COST INCURRED BY THE CITY JUST TO PROCESS THE FEE WAS UNCAPTURED.

ADDITION AND MODIFICATION OF CERTAIN FEES, ONE WAS BASED ON STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, PLANTING SWIMMING POOL CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION WAS EXEMPT, SO MAKING SURE THAT THOSE EXEMPTIONS WERE TAKEN CARE OF.

THEN LOOKING AT PARKLAND DEDICATION FEE AND ALSO THE MISSING PARKS AND RECREATION FEE.

MEGAN IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF FEES THAT OTHER CITIES CHARGED THAT ANGLETON WAS NOT CHARGING.

LOOKING AT SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

THEN THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT HAD UNDERTAKEN THE STUDY RECENTLY SO LOOKING AT HOW BASED ON THAT STUDY, THE UTILITY FEES NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED.

THOSE WERE FIVE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WENT INTO THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION. NEXT PLEASE.

ONCE THE FIRST SET OF FEES WAS PREPARED, STAFF HAD A WORKSHOP SOME OF THE DAYS THERE.

THERE WAS SOME INPUT FROM THE DEVELOPER.

AGAIN, THERE WAS ANOTHER PUBLIC WORKSHOP AND INPUT ON THIS, AND THEN PLANNING AND ZONING WAS UPDATED AND THEIR INPUT WAS GATHERED.

WE HAD A COUNCIL WORK SESSION, OCTOBER 22ND.

WE ARE NOW AT THE SECOND WORK SESSION TODAY. NEXT PLEASE.

WHAT ARE THE FUTURE STEPS? AFTER THIS WORK SESSION, ONCE YOU HAVE HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THE COMPLETE SCHEDULE AND GIVE STAFF YOUR FEEDBACK, THE FEE WOULD BE FINALIZED.

THEN, OF COURSE, IT WOULD GO THROUGH A LEGAL REVIEW AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT MISSING ANY STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN WOULD BE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND AT THAT TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL THEN WOULD HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

SOMETIMES THE CITY'S LIKE TO GIVE PEOPLE A FEW MONTHS TO GET ADJUSTED TO AND MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT IS IN ONE THINGS THAT SOME CITIES DO IS IF SOMETHING IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS, IF A CONSTRUCTION IS IN PROGRESS, THEN THEY'RE NOT ASKED TO COMPLY WITHIN THESE SCHEDULES.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN ALL DECIDE WHEN YOU ADOPT THIS FEES SCHEDULE.

NEXT, PLEASE. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TIME OVER TO MEGAN UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND SHE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION FEES.

>> I'LL REALLY JUST BE BRIEF.

WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS REGARDING PARKS AND RECREATION FEES THAT WEREN'T FOUND OR WEREN'T CODIFIED RATHER.

REALLY, IT WASN'T THAT WE WERE MISSING FEES, IT WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T CODIFIED IN OUR ORDINANCES.

WE HAVE NUMEROUS FEES OF ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER THAT NEEDED TO BE CODIFIED.

WE HAD OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE IN OUR PARK.

ORDINANCE THAT WERE ORIGINALLY IN THERE THAT WERE MISSED ON THE FIRST CODIFICATION OF OUR FEES AND SO WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE ACCURATELY IN THERE.

WE ALSO HAVE WHEN WE DID THE BENCHMARKING WITH SOME OTHER CITIES, WE DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW SOME OF OUR FEES COULD CHANGE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH CONSULTANT ON THAT FOR MORE CLEAR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD HELP CAPTURE SOME ADDITIONAL FEES THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY COLLECTING RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S NOT EXTENSIVE.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A FINAL DRAFT.

WE RECEIVED THE MOST RECENT UPDATE, I BELIEVE IT WAS THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK.

WE'RE STILL TAKING SOME TIME TO REVIEW TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S CAPTURED BEFORE WE PRESENT YOU WITH A FINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION.

>> THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL ADD BRIEFLY IS THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST THREE YEARS.

WE ARE COMPARING THE CURRENT FEES TO THE PROPOSED THAT IS.

THEN GIVE YOU JUST SOME COMPARISONS IN THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES, JUST BEGINNING WITH PLOT FOR YOUR STANDARD PROJECTS LIKE RIVERWOOD RANCH,

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WOULD HAVE COME IN AT AN APPLICATION FEE PAID AT 1705 FOR YOUR SUBMISSION, NOT INCLUDING, I GUESS, ENGINEERING REVIEW.

WITH THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE, WHAT THAT WOULD FACTOR IS THE BASE AMOUNT PLUS NUMBER OF LOTS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ACRES, AND THAT FEE WOULD BE RAISED TO SOMETHING LIKE $4,600, AND THAT WOULD HELP US TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THOSE REVIEW FEES AND ROUTING THAT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT'S JUST A COMPARISON ON THE PLATS.

FOR SU FEES AND REZONING, AS YOU KNOW THE APPLICATION FEE IS ONLY $150.

THERE ARE FEES THAT ARE NOT NOTICED UPFRONT, SUCH AS ADVERTISEMENTS.

WE HAVE TO USE GIS TO GO IN AND IN LETTERS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.

YOUR REZONING AS PROPOSED WITH THE NEW SCHEDULE WOULD RAISE THOSE FEES TO RIGHT AT $100, WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO THE CITY'S OWN COMPARISON CHART.

YOU WOULD MOVE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT ON APPENDIX NUMBER 2 THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.

LOOK AT PARALIMNI, LOOK AT MANVILLE AND DO THOSE COMPARISONS SO WE FELT THAT FEE IS JUSTIFIABLE.

VARIANCES, THE SAME THING RIGHT NOW, $150 SUBMISSION FEE FOR A VARIANCE ON COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

WE STILL HAVE TO SEND LEGAL ADS TO THE NEWSPAPER AND NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

BASICALLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RECOUPING THOSE FEES UP FRONT BY THE APPLICATION.

THAT'S BASICALLY JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE ANALYSIS.

I THINK IN ABOUT A WEEK, I'LL SEND YOU THAT TWO TO THREE YEAR COMPARISONS ON ALL OF THE PROJECTS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE COLLECTED UP FRONT, AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.

THE CITY MANAGER DID, I THINK COMMUNICATE WITH YOU JUST A FOLLOW UP JUST TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION.

THIS IS ANOTHER WORK SESSION, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL HAVE ALL OF COUNCIL'S CONCERNS ADDRESSED.

BY ALL MEANS, TRY TO SEND THOSE TO US.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'LL FILL ANY QUESTIONS I THINK FROM THE THREE OF US OR ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR CITY MANAGER, AND THEN GET FURTHER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

JONATHAN HAS THE ABILITY TO PULL UP APPENDIX 2 THAT YOU SEE THERE.

IF YOU NEED US TO LOOK AT ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR OR JUST GIVE US SOME GENERAL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, WE YOU WELCOME BOTH.

>> IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO KILL A WHOLE BUNCH OF TREES, CAN YOU BLOW IT UP IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THIS WHOLE PAPER?

>> IS HARD TO REED THAT AND WE TRIED TO USE A LARGE PAPER BECAUSE HAVE WE DONE 8.5 11, YOU DEFINITELY WOULDN'T YOU CAN BLOW IT UP ON THIS IT WOULD HAVE WORKED ON HERE.

>> WE ALWAYS WORK ON THAT.

>> I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH LINE BY LINE ON ALL OF THESE TONIGHT. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FOR BENCHMARKING, WHY ARE WE JUST DISREGARDING SOME OF THE BENCHMARKING? WE JUST LOOKED AT IT AND WENT, WELL, I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE NOT CHARGING ANYTHING.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO CHARGE SOMETHING.

HOW DO WE JUSTIFY BEING THE SAME AMOUNT AS PARALIMNI? IF PARALIMNI IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S CHARGING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CHARGING? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BENCHMARKING.

HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THESE RATES IN SOME CASES?

>> CAN WE LOOK AT A PARTICULAR ITEM?

>> PLATTING. LET'S GO TO RESIDENTIAL.

YOU'RE PROPOSING THE I'M JUST LOOKING AT TWO LOTS, 01,015, THAT'S WHAT PARALIMNI CHARGES ROUGHLY.

NO ONE ELSE.

KATIE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S MORE, BUT ALL THE ONES THAT ARE CLOSER TO US, MANDREL, ALVIN, IN SOME CASES, I COULD SEE JUSTIFYING BERKSHIRE, ROSENBERG, BUT THOSE ARE ALL LOWER THAN US.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE BENCHMARKED AGAINST PARALIMNI.

IN A LOT OF CASES, WHEN I GO THROUGH THIS LIST, WE BENCHMARKED AGAINST PARALIMNI.

WE JUST DISREGARDED THE REST OF IT AND SAID, PARALIMNI, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH.

>> A NUMBER OF THEM USED PLACES LIKE [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU SEE SOME OF THE ITEMS.

>> WHICH IS FINE. I MEAN, FURTHER AWAY.

>> I THINK YOUR PLANNING FEES I THINK CAME ABOUT, PROBABLY SOME OF THE CITIES NOT ON THE LIST.

SOME OF US WORKING IN OTHER CITIES.

DISBAR FROM THE CONVENTION, THEY WERE MORE IN LINE WITH PARALIMNI.

>> GIVE US SOME NOTE ON THAT. LET US KNOW.

HEY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COMPARING TO BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.

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>> IN THERE, BUT I THINK ANYWHERE IF YOU GO FROM THE HIGH POINT TO THE MID YOU SAY, PLEASE BRING SOME OF THESE TO THE MID AVERAGE OF THE FIVE CITIES OR CITIES, AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD RECOMMENDATION THAT.

>> I JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY, I SEE WHAT WE PUT IT, BUT THE JUSTIFICATION OF WHY DID WE CHOOSE THAT ONE? MAYBE NOT SAYING GO BACK AND KILL MORE TREES AND DO EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT MAYBE A NOTES COLUMN WHERE WE CAN I'D RATHER HAVE THIS ELECTRONICALLY ANYWAYS, BUT SEND ME NOTES AND SAY, HEY, WE DID THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THESE CITIES ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT MOVING TO THIS RATE AS WELL.

I CAN'T SEE THAT FROM HERE.

I CAN JUST SEE WHAT THE CURRENT ONE IS.

>> THEN THE OTHER ITEM, WE STARTED OUT DOING WHAT'S CALLED THE NOT THE COMPARATIVE MODEL, BUT THE OTHER MODEL.

>> THE COST RECOVERY.

>> COST RECOVERY, WHICH DID NOT WORK OUT TOO WELL.

WE STARTED WITH A NUMBER OF HOURS THAT STAFF IS TOUCHING THAT PROJECT, AND WE CAME UP WITH THAT HIGH NUMBER AND BROUGHT IT DOWN USING THESE COMPARISONS.

I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PUSHED IT A LITTLE HIGHER.

LOOKING AT WHAT WE PUSHED OUT ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE ON FEES AND SOME OF THE INVOICES THAT WE SENT OUT.

YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT A LITTLE NOTE SECTION THAT EXPLAINS THAT.

SOME OF THE NUMBERS ENDED UP BEING A LITTLE HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE SMALLER SEES.

>> WHEN WE GET INTO COST RECOVERY METHOD.

IF YOU CAN'T GET TO WORK IN COST RECOVERY METHOD, YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPENSATE FOR THE OTHER SIDE.

IF YOU CAN'T GET TO WORK THERE, THAT'S BECAUSE HOURS ARE NOT DRIVING, MAYBE YOU HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE WORKING ON ONE JOB OR TOO MANY TAKING TOO LONG TO DO THAT.

YOU'RE TRYING TO RECOVER THAT COST.

THEN YOU GO, WAIT, I CAN'T JUSTIFY THAT.

WELL, THAT SHOULD BE ALARM BELLS.

MAYBE YOUR COST RECOVERY IS RIGHT, AND YOU'RE EITHER OVERSTAFFED OR YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG, YOU'RE EFFICIENT. HOW DO WE GET BETTER? I LIKE COST RECOVERY, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT METHOD.

IT'S GOOD TO COMPARE BACK TO THIS, BUT IN THAT CASE, SOMETHING SHOULD BE JUMPING OUT AT YOU IN THAT CASE.

I WANT TO TALK REAL QUICK ON ALARMS, CHIEF.

I KNOW WE GO THROUGH THIS EVERY NOW AND THEN.

BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ALARMS, IT WAS BACK.

A LOT OF THE CITIES DIDN'T HAVE ANY BILLS FOR ALARMS, AND WE'RE STILL SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST ONE OF ALARM FEES.

FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I SHOULD HAVE PUT A LITTLE STICKY NOTE ON IT.

>>IT'S ON PAGE 14 OF THAT CHART 2, ALARM SYSTEM.

>> I HAD IT UP A WHILE AGO.

IT SEEMED IT RESIDENTIAL.

ALVIN NOT FOUND, ROSENBERG NOT FOUND, BERKSHIRE NOT FOUND, HENZ NOT FOUND, MANVILLE 50 A YEAR.

REGISTRATION FEE FOR PARALIMNI IS 15.

SO BY FAR, FULL SHIRE MANVEL THE TWO HIGHEST AND WE'RE SAYING $25.

I JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT.

WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

DID WE SEE THAT IT DID YOU USE THE COST RECOVERY METHOD HERE, OR DID YOU JUST USE PAYING YOU KNOW, TAKING THE MEDIAN AVERAGE OF THE OTHER.

I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT THERE.

ARE WE JUST TRYING TO PAY FOR THE SOFTWARE?

>>YES, SIR.

>> THEN UTILITY BILLING WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT JUMPED OUT.

OUR DISCONNECT FEE, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MANY TIMES ABOUT THIS.

OUR DISCONNECT FEES ARE ONE OF THE HIGHER ONES.

WE'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE IT FROM 25 TO 30.

PERY LANDS AT TEMPORARY 10, 50 FOR ALVIN, NOTHING FOR MANVILLE, NOTHING FOR RICHMOND, NOTHING FOR ROSENBERG.

NOWHERE ELSE EXCEPT FOR KATIE WHICH CHARGES 75.

I NEED SOME NOTES ON THAT.

I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, LET'S UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE JUSTIFYING THIS RATE BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THAT DIRTILY IMPACTS A LOT OF CITIZENS.

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DISCONNECT FEE RECONNECT FEE BECAUSE WE JUST TOOK ACTION ON THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE RATE STUDY, AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT.

LET'S UNDERSTAND AND WHAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT.

>> WELL, WASN'T SOME OF WRAP AROUND THE LATE FEES AND HOW THOSE WERE HOW THOSE WEREN'T BEING RECOVERED.

>> I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.

>> WE'LL PROVIDE.

>> THOSE ARE MY MY BIGGEST POINTS THAT I SAW IN HERE.

>> WE'LL FOLLOW THAT AND TRACK IT THROUGH UTILITIES AND GET BACK WHERE TO GO ANSWERS.

>> WHO WAS YOUR FOCUS GROUP? THERE WAS ONE OF THE COMMENT, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THERE.

WHO DID YOU BRING IN FOR?

>> DURING THE STAKEHOLDER MEETING?

>> STAKEHOLDER MEETING.

>> WE HAD INVITATIONS THAT WENT OUT TO SOME OF THE APPLICANTS THROUGHOUT PROCESSING PORTAL.

THE DEVELOPERS THAT SUBMIT TYPICALLY OUR PLATES OR PROJECTS THROUGH US.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE FOR THE PUBLIC.

WE GOT A NUMBER OF COMMENTS VIA EMAIL TO US.

I'M SORRY. OTHER THAN THAT, THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS MET WITH THE CONSULTANTS.

>> OBJECTION AS TO THAT.

>> YOU MAILS.

>> BUT THIS IS GOOD INFORMATION THAT YOU WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. GO AHEAD AND MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND NOTES.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING ONE EXAMPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, PLANTING.

IT'S ALSO THE PROCESS OF APPROVAL.

A LOT OF CITIES, THE P&Z JUST APPROVES THE PLAT.

IT DOESN'T GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT'S ANOTHER STEP.

SOME CITIES HAVE TWO READINGS OF THE PLATS.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PROCESSES TO WHICH ADDS MORE MANPOWER AND TIME TO THE PROCESS.

MOVE THIS TRY TO MAKE SOME NOTES.

>> MAKE SOME NOTES FOR US.

>> ONE DOES HE CAN BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO UNLESS YOU'VE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THE CITY, YOU DON'T KNOW THE INSIDE INFORMATION.

IT IS JUST NOT FOUND.

MAYBE YOU CAN AND ASK WHAT EXACTLY THEY CHARGE.

>> WHAT YOU CAN ASK ME ON ROSENBERG, BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU IT'S NOT ZERO.

>> WELL, I SAW ROSENBERG AND I SAW FULL SURE.

>> WE'LL BRING YOU BACK AT THE SAME TIME SAME WAY IN YOUR NEXT MEETING.

IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, PLEASE FOR THOSE [INAUDIBLE] WHITAKER AND YOU'LL BE WITH THE CONSULTANT AND [INAUDIBLE].

>> ALSO, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS BROUGHT BACK, PLEASE BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I WANT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.

I WANT ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

>>ALSO THAT'S WHY WE GIVE THE WORK SESSION.

>> SURE.

>> THE PUBLIC TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND HERE.

>>NOW WE CAN MAKE IT A PUBLIC.

>> THANK YOU, MISS.

>> I KNOW WE'RE BEING A DEAD HORSE, BUT IT REALLY IS CHALLENGING TO READ THE PRESENT FORMAT.

>> WELL, DEFINITELY TRY TO UTILIZE THE DIGITAL BECAUSE YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND OUT.

NOW, WE ONLY WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU THESE COPIES AS A QUICK REFERENCE, BUT WE HAVE IT HERE TO ZOOM IN AND OUT.

>> THIS ONE IS GOOD.

>> THAT'S GREAT.

>> THANK YOU. WE'LL WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU.

>> ITEM NUMBER 12 DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ACTION ON

[12. Discussion and possible action on the Fiscal Year 2025 Road Project Request - overlays, with Brazoria County]

FISCAL YEAR 2025 ROAD PROJECT REQUESTS OVERLAYS WITH [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY.

>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL.

AS YOU ALL KNOW ANNUALLY, WE'D SELECT ROADS TO OVERLAY.

TYPICALLY IT'S TWO MILES OF THE COUNTY WILL COME IN AND MILL AND OVERLAY FOR US.

BUT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

IN THE 22/23 FISCAL YEAR OF OUR OVERLAYS THE COUNTY REQUESTED THAT WE BEGIN INCLUDING ALL OUR STREETS IN ONE AREA VERSUS BEING ABLE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHERE TOWN.

THAT WASN'T TOO BIG OF AN ISSUE, BUT THIS MOST PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN 23/24 FISCAL YEAR OVERLAYS IF THEY JUST COMPLETED, THEY NO LONGER WANT TO MILL AND OVERLAY TWO MILES.

THEY WILL MILL AND OVERLAY UP TO ONE MILE, OR THEY WILL SIMPLY JUST OVERLAY TWO MILES, WHICH IS WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH WITH OUR MOST PREVIOUS LIST, ASIDE FROM SOUTH WALKER, THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT MILLED AND OVERLAID, THE REST WERE JUST OVERLAID.

ALSO APOLOGIZE FOR THE SPREADSHEETS IN HERE ON THE DIGITAL FORMAT.

THEY'RE LABELED WHAT THEY ARE, BUT WHEN IT GETS TRANSFERRED OVER TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT DOESN'T SHOW.

BUT THERE'S TWO SEPARATE AREAS THAT WE PICKED.

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ONE WAS IN THE MORE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND THE OTHER WAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN AND ALSO WESTERN AVENUE ON SOME OF THEM.

BUT THERE'S TWO SETS OF FOUR, AND SO BEGINNING IN THE FIRST IN THE FIRST SET, WHICH IS, GIFFORD ROAD.

THIS IS TO A MILL AND OVERLAY AS A CONTRACTOR COST, IF WE WERE TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR OURSELF TO MILL AND OVERLAY AND GIFFORD ROAD, GIFFORD LANE, WESTERN AVENUE WOULD BE $894,000.

IF WE WERE TO PICK THE GIFFORD ROAD AND GIFFORD LANE JUST FOR A MILL AND OVERLAY FROM THE COUNTY, IT WOULD BE $221,000.

BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ALL WE WOULD RECEIVE BECAUSE WE ONLY WANT TO DO MILL AND OVERLAYS FOR ONE MILE.

THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE JUST A COMPLETE REHABILITATION OF THE ROADWAY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE NOT JUST MILLING, BUT ALSO, EMULSIFYING AND BONDING THAT ALL THE MILLINGS TO ACTUALLY CREATE A NEW BASE AND THEN OVERLAY ON TOP OF IT.

THAT'S TYPE THAT'S WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD GET US, WHICH IS $1,077,000.

>> THEN THE LAST WOULD JUST BE OVERLAYS ONLY AND THIS WOULD BE FOR GIFFORD ROAD GIFFORD LANE, WESTERN AVENUE, $167,000.

THE SECOND SET IS THAT IT SITS EXACTLY THE SAME IS JUST FOR A DIFFERENT AREA.

FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO, REQUEST WHAT DIRECTION WOULD WOULD YOU PREFER US TO GO WITH THE OVERLAYS? DO YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE TO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND DOING A MILE OF MILL AND OVERLAYS OR TWO MILES OF OVERLAYS? THERE'S PROS AND CONS WITH ALL THEM.

FOR INSTANCE, OBVIOUSLY, MILLING AND OVERLAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A BETTER CONSTRUCTED STREET, GOING TO LAST LONGER, YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK VERSUS OVERLAYING YOU'RE JUST OVERLAYING A TWO INCH LAYER ASPHALT OVER THE TOP OF EVERYTHING.

WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR DEFICIENCIES AT, THOSE SAME DEFICIENCIES ARE GOING TO POP UP IT HASN'T BEEN CORRECTED.

IT'S JUST BEEN HAVE A FACIAL LIFT ON IT, BASICALLY.

BUT ALSO, WITH OVERLAYING, YOU'RE SLOWLY INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE STREET OVER TIME, WHICH POSSIBLY CAUSES COMPLICATIONS DOWN THE ROAD.

OBVIOUSLY GOING WITH THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WORKING WITH THE COUNT.

>> THE DRAINAGE ISSUES TOO HECTOR SO YOU JUST KEEP OVERLAYING, YOU LOSE YOUR CURB AND YOUR GRAIN?

>> YES. THAT JUST WANT TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON THAT FIRST OFF BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTO PICKING STREETS.

>> I'D PREFER TO STAY WITH THE MILL AND OVERLAY EVEN IF IT'S ONLY A MILE.

>> WITH THE COUNTY?

>> I'D RATHER GO IN LONG TERM, EVEN IF IT'S A ONE MILE AT A TIME. WITH THE COUNTY.

>> THE STREETS WE HAVE LISTED IN ALL OF THEIR, STREETS FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.

IT DIDN'T GET DONE, SO I'VE JUST ADDED THEM ON HERE AGAIN.

BUT IF THERE'S OTHER STREETS, YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE THIS YEAR, WE CAN REVISE THE LIST, GET IT BACK FOR APPROVAL, BUT, OBVIOUSLY JUST AT LEAST GETTING THE DIRECTION ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH, GOING WITH COUNTY, MILLING AND OVERLAY, OR JUST OVERLAYING IT.

SOUNDS LIKE MILLING AND OVERLAYING FOR A MILE.

>> THAT'S HOW I FEEL. I JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

>> KEEP TAKING BOTH OUR HANDS AND TIME BEHIND OUR BACKS.

THAT'S WHY DURING BUDGET, I KEPT SAYING THAT PATCHER IS GETTING TO BE MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT.

IT'S GOING TO COME TO THE POINT WHERE I THINK THE COUNTY IS JUST GOING TO SAY, WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU ANYMORE.

WE WERE ALREADY IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE WHEN THOSE ROADS GOT REPAID.

>> IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE ROADS FALLING APART, AND WE'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF MILES, WE CAN'T KEEP UP.

EVEN AT ONE MILE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO KEEP UP.

>> CORRECT. EVEN AT TWO MILES, WE REALLY WEREN'T KEEPING UP.

>> RIGHT. THEN CONTIGUOUS.

WE'VE GOT ROADS FALLING APART IN ONE AREA OF TOWN IN THIS AREA OF TOWN, AND WE'RE SAYING, SORRY, YOU GOT TO WAIT THREE YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE OVER HERE.

IT'S GETTING TO BE AN ISSUE.

WHEN DID THE RULE CHANGE?

>> I ACTUALLY JUST GOT A PHONE CALL THE DAY THEY WERE STARTING.

THEY SAID, HEY, WE'RE STARTING, AND ALSO, BY THE WAY, WE'RE NOT MILLING AND OVERLAYING ANY OTHER THE ROADS YOU GUYS HAVE.

WE'RE JUST COMING IN HERE AND OVERLAYING, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY TOLD ME THE RULES HAVE CHANGED.

WE'RE GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, TWO MILES TO ONE MILE.

THEY SAID THEY NOTIFIED US, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT METHOD THEY NOTIFIED US. [OVERLAPPING].

>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MESSAGE.

>> BUT YES, I HAD NO E MAILS OR PHONE CALLS REGARDING IT.

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AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT DIDN'T GET A LETTER TO THE CITY BECAUSE TYPICALLY GET FORWARD OVER TO US, TOO, THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COUNTY AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT THEIR METHOD OF COMMUNICATION THEY CLAIM TO HAVE MADE WITH US, BUT THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.

>> I'M ALSO DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO DO THE OVERLAYS FOR THIS LAST YEAR, AND THEY JUST LEFT ONE OF THE ROADS COMPLETELY OFF AND DIDN'T DO IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THOUGH IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANCHOR ROADS, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER BECAUSE WHEN WE SELECTED THE ROADS THAT THEY CHANGED ON US, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND THE COUNTY JUDGE THAT WERE HERE THAT EVENING TALK FOR A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

>> COUNTY ENGINEER.

>> YES AND HE TOLD US THAT, WHEN THEY COMPLETE THEIR PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 44, THEY WOULD COMPLETE OURS, AND I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT, AND I GOT A RESPONSE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT, BUT I HAVE NOT HAD A RESPONSE SINCE, AND THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY PROBABLY 2.5 WEEKS AGO WHEN I SENT THAT EMAIL.

>> BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FINISH THAT ROAD AND THAT WAS ON OUR LIST.

WE AGREED TO IT. WE SIGNED AN INTERLOCAL?

>> I'M NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A BINDING CONTRACT.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES, FINE, CHANGE THE RULES, BUT DON'T DO IT IN THE MIDDLE OF OF WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO DO.

>> I ALSO SEE THAT YOU HAVE A DEADLINE IN HERE FOR NOVEMBER 1ST, WE ASSESSED IT?

ACTUALLY HAD, THESE SETS OF ROADS TO BRING TO YOU ALL, BUT AGAIN, THEN I GOT PHONE CALL THAT, HEY, WE'RE NOT EVEN MILLING OR OVERLAYING, SO I WAS LIKE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THIS AND COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND ALSO INCLUDING THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE BACK HERE NOW.

I'LL JUST SAY IN THE PAST THAT I THINK THE PAST TWO YEARS, WE DID NOT MEET THE NOVEMBER 1ST DEADLINE, BUT THEY STILL ALLOW US TO SUBMIT THEM.

>> BUT WE'RE STILL NOT MAKING THAT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BY DOING THAT, ENTER.

WE'RE LOOKING AT X-RAY 26.

>> BEING A YEAR BEHIND WHEN THE WORK IS ACTUALLY COMPLETED? YES. CORRECT.

>> QUESTION. I SEE ARCOLA AT LEAST OVER HERE.

MUCH MORE OF A NECESSITY.

THE DOWNTOWN HERE, IN GENERAL, SHOULD BE A PRIORITY.

WESTERN AVENUE IS BAD, GIFFORD LANE THEY'VE BEEN COMPLAINING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.

>> I GOT A COMPLAINT YESTERDAY WESTERN AVENUE.

>> SAME.

>> WHAT? I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE, THIS AREA NEEDS ATTENTION.

WE'VE GONE TO THE SOUTH SIDE, THEN WE WENT TO THE NORTH, THEN WE WENT WEST THIS YEAR.

WE REALLY GOT TO GET BACK IN HERE IN THE MIDDLE AND DO SOME OF THESE ROADS.

BUT WITH THE AWARENESS THAT WE HAVE ROADS AND OTHER AREAS OF TOWN THAT ARE FALLING APART, HOW CAN WE CAN WE WORK AN AGREEMENT? BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAS TO COME BACK AND FIX LOCUS OR PUT IT BACK INTO THE AT LEAST AS GOOD A CONDITION AS IT WAS.

>> CORRECT.

>> THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT?

>> WHY CAN'T THEY WE WORK AT THE SAME AGREEMENT WE DID LAST YEAR WITH SOUTH WALKER AND HAVE IT NOT COUNT AGAINST US.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT ROAD.

DO THIS ONE RIGHT HERE TOO AT THE SAME TIME.

>> ARCOLA.

>> AT MINIMUM AND GIVE US GIFFORD LANE.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WESTERN AVENUE.

>> WELL, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, THERE IS ANOTHER THOUGHT TO CONSIDER IS AT SOME POINT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO START.

>> DOING OURSELVES.

>> DOING OURSELVES WITH EITHER BOND MONEY OR CERTIFICATE OBLIGATIONS WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO START.

BUILDING CONCRETE ROADS.

AN IDEA. WE CAN GO WITH SOME MILL AND OVERLAY, BUT IF TO TRY TO ACTUALLY BUILD SOME PERMIT, 70, 8000 ROADS THAT WILL, HOPEFULLY.

>> YOU THINK OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COUNTY TO THE CONCRETE STREETS THAT THEIR NUMBER OF ASPHALT ROADS, I DON'T REMEMBER BUT I GUESS NOT.

>> I THINK THE CITY IS PROBABLY DUE SOME RECONCILIATION FROM THE COUNTY.

IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TAX STATEMENT, YOU ARE PAYING THE CAMP BISORI COUNTY A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY.

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THEY HAVE TWO CATEGORIES BASICALLY THE COUNTY, AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TO ROD BRIDGE PARK.

YOU'VE GOT TWO ITEMS ON YOUR COUNTY ON ON YOUR TAX STATEMENT. IT GOES TO THE COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE SHOULD BE.

I THINK CITY SHOULD GET REIMBURSED THROUGH BUILDING STREAMS. IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAX YOU FOR IT, WE SHOULD GET SOMETHING IN TURN.

OTHER THAN JUST A LETTER TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO LESS FOR YOU NOW.

AS FAR AS DECIDING WHICH STREETS NEED TO BE DONE, IS MY POINT IS, YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHEST DAILY AVERAGE VEHICULAR USE ON THE STREETS AND THE WORST SITUATION THAT IS ARE IN.

BUT THEN THE MATRIX, AND THIS IS HOW YOU DETERMINE WHICH STREETS NEED THE WORK.

THAT TAKES AWAY THE [OVERLAPPING]

>> SUBJECTIVITY.

>> PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT, WELL, I THINK THIS STREET TO BE I KNOW I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE STREETS IN TOWN THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SEVERELY.

WE SEVERELY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AND OF HEARD TONIGHT.

WE DON'T ADDRESS IT DURING BUDGET TIME.

WE DON'T NEED TO GET THE MONEY TO EVER GET THE MONEY TO DO IT.

YOU UNDERSTAND. I TELL YOU THAT.

>> YES I UNDERSTAND.

>> BUILDING AN OVERLAY THE STREETS THAT HAVE BASE FAILURE IN.

JOHN HAS MENTIONED THIS NUMBER OF TIMES, JOHN PETERSON OUR ENGINEER.

YOU HAVE TO FIX THE FOUNDATION LIKE BUILDING A HOME OR REPAIRING A HOME.

YOU START DEVELOPING CRACKS FROM YOUR SHEET ROCK.

YOU CAN THAT UP ALL DAY LONG NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO CRACK AGAIN BECAUSE THE FOUNDATION IS FAILING.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH STREETS TOO.

JUST OVERLAYING THE STREET IT'S GOOD.

VICTOR STREETS WITH THE HIGHEST VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, ARCOLA IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

MUCH MORE HIGH TRAFFIC NOW THAN SHENANGO GO PASS THROUGH.

FIRSTLY, I THINK THE COUNTY OWES US SOME WORK ON ARCOLA STREET LOG LOCUS BECAUSE ARCOLA STREET WAS A HEAVILY TRAVELED STREET DURING CONSTRUCTION, AND IT STILL IS.

IS THERE NOT THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE ONLY?

>> WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER ABOUT THESE STREETS [NOISE] AND POSSIBLY, SEPARATE AGREEMENT, HOW WE DID WITH SOUTH WALKERS.

WE'LL LOOK AT THAT FOR ARCOLA AND LOCUS AND SOUTH FU WHEN THEY GET COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION.

WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM ON THOSE STREETS.

>> HATE YOUR QUESTION ON GIFFORD LANE THAT'LL BE 27,000 IF WE WENT OUTSIDE, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT.

>> DO YOU HAVE THAT ANYWHERE?

>> NO, IT'D HAVE TO GO WITHOUT TAKING AWAY THESE PROJECTS.

BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE A BUDGET $300,000 PER YEAR FOR MILLING AND OVERLAYING.

WE HAVE IT WE COULD DO GIFFORD LANE ONLY, BUT THAT WOULD BE ALL WE'RE GETTING.

>> STILL ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW THE PARISH AWARD GOES.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY BOND MONEY LEFT ON THE STREET?

>> NOT ANY THAT I WOULD BE ANXIOUS TO TRY TO UTILIZE UNTIL THESE OTHER PROJECTS HAVE BID OUT AND LET.

BECAUSE THERE IS SOME MONEY LEFT, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL THOSE THINGS BID OUT.

BUT ONCE THOSE BID OUT, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THERE COULD BE SOMETHING LEFT, YES.

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>> I'M THINKING TOO.

>> THAT'S NOTHING WE COULD VENTURE TOWARDS, TO WORK TOWARDS DOING SOME OF THESE STREETS THEN AND IF THERE IS THAT THEN.

>> HOW LONG TING GOING A BIT OUT ON SOME OF THOSE?

>> ON PARISH AND SEVER 7.

>> I KNOW PARISHES ARE COMING UP BUT SEVEN.

>> ANYTHING ALSO DESIGNING.

>> WE WRAPPING UP THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

WE GOT A MEETING THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SET WITH THE MARSHALL HIGH ASSOCIATION, GET THEIR COMMENTS.

ONCE WE GET THEIR COMMENTS INCORPORATED IN, THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK AND HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING HERE AT THE CITY.

WE'VE GOT TO SUBMIT TO TEXTOP.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST IMPEDE A TIME ON THAT BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING TO TIE IN A SMALL PORTION OF THE DRAINAGE BACK UP TO 35.

THAT DRAINAGE IS ACTUALLY CUT INTO THREE SECTIONS OF THE VERY FRONT OR THE MOST SOUTH SOUTHERN PORTION GOES TO 35.

AFTER THAT, IT GOES TO A DITCH.

COMMON DITCH GOES BACK TO JOHN TO STREET TO THE EAST.

>> TJ RUN.

>> TJ RUN. THEN THE NORTH SECTION FROM PROBABLY 200 300 FEET NORTH OF WEST LIBO COMES DOWN AND GOES INTO THAT COMMON DITCH AS WELL.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH HARRIS TOWN.

WE'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL.

I JUST GOT ROUGH FINISH FROM THE TRAFFIC CONTROL UP TODAY.

THE DESIGN IS PRETTY MUCH DONE.

NOW WE'RE STARTING TO REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS READY TO GO, OR THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE COMMENTS.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IS ROUGHLY?

>> TEXT IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST IMPEDANCE SAY WE GET THROUGH TEXT, FIVE, SIX WEEKS WITH TEXT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE US HAVE TO DO ALL TRACK CONTROL RESUBMITTED, AND THEY GOT THAT RULE.

>> PROBABLY FEBRUARY THE EARLIEST, MAYBE.

>> FEBRUARY, WE OVERLAY CERTAIN STREETS FIRST, THEN WE WOULD KNOW MAYBE BY MARCH, WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR DIFFERENT LANE.

APRIL, MAY, SOMEWHERE.

>> WHAT ABOUT SILVER SADDLE? IS THAT?

>> THAT'S WHEN PART OF THAT.

>> ARE WE WAITING ON PARISH AND HOLDING UP SILVER SADDLE?

>> I WAS PUT TOGETHER AS ONE PROJECT.

>> YOU THINK WE CAN GET COST SAVINGS THAT WAY?

>> WE GOT UNDER CONTRACT BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES.

ONE IS AN ASPHALT STREET, ONE IS A CONCRETE STREET.

I WANT TO BRING TOGETHER.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPLIT IT UP, WE WE CAN SPLIT IT UP, BUT AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO LIKE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SOCCER COMPLEX.

NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO BID PHASES.

THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO STRUCTURE RATION PHASE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE COST ASSOCIATED WITH DOING THAT AS WELL.

BUT SILVER SADDLE SHOULD BE COMPLETELY WRAPPED UP PROBABLY IN TWO WEEKS.

WE READY TO GO.

>> SOUNDS LIKE WE WERE HAVE TO WAIT ON THE GIFFORDS AND WESTERN AVENUE.

HECTOR JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND, ONE MILE MILL AND OVERLAY.

>> CORRECT.

>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS?

>> YES. THAT FIRST PART STILL STANDS.

>> THAT FIRST PART STILL STANDS?

>> HAS TO BE I HAVE TO BE IN THE SAME AREA AND THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE LENGTH REQUIREMENTS, UP TO TWO.

THEY WANT TO GO UP TO TWO MILES.

ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1 AND 2 MILES WILL BE ALL OVERLAYS ONLY.

ANYWHERE FROM 0-1 MILES WILL BE MILL AND OVERLAY.

>> WELL, I THINK MAYBE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO GET US A WAIVER ON A ARCOLA AND LOCUST AND IF WE CAN DO THAT, THEN WE CAN GO AFTER THE GIFFORD LANE.

I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN BOOTH SAID THOUGH ABOUT TRAFFIC COUNTS.

THE ONLY ISSUE IS THAT USED TO BE DONE THAT WAY DECADES AGO.

BUT THE PROBLEM WAS, WE KNOW WHERE OUR HIGH TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE.

THOSE ROADS GOT OVERLAID ALL THE TIME IN THE SMALLER SECTIONS, THOSE ROADS NEVER GOT ANY ATTENTION.

THEN WE DECIDED WE WOULD START DRIVING THE STREET, SEEING THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD, IMPROVING THE ROADS AT CERTAIN TIMES.

SEEM I GET IT.

I'LL SAY THIS. WILKINS WAS NEEDED.

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>> IT WAS A COMBINATION OF TRAFFIC DETERIORATION OF ROCK.

YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT'S DETERIORATED.

WE QUIT DRIVING BECAUSE IT'S A ROCK IN THE CONNECTION THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE.

>> THEN JOHN, DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT YOU SAW SOMETHING WE CAT TML ABOUT A COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND REHABILITATES A ROAD, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY THAT, SEE IF YOU CAN GET THEM DOWN HERE?

>> I'M STILL TRYING TO REACH OUT SOON.

I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE PRODUCT.

IT'S A REJUVENATION PROCESS.

BUT IT HAS TO BE CAUGHT EARLY.

IT CAN'T BE THE ROAD IS JUST NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

IT HAS TO BE A MAINTENANCE CITE, EXTEND THE LIFE.

I'VE NEVER USED IT.

THEY JUST CAME BY AND SAID, HEY, WE GOT THIS NEW PRODUCT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD IT WORKS, BUT IT'S A REJUVENATION OF IT.

>> A MILE.

WHAT'S THE WIDTH THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR MILE?

>> TYPICALLY IT'S 20 FEET.

I KNOW A ROAD LIKE ARCOLA.

THEY'LL GO OUT THERE AND MEASURE IT, AND THEY'LL GIVE US, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE US MORE THAN WHAT THE LENGTH OF IT IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S A 60, 65 FOOT ROADWAY THERE.

SOMETHING LIKE OUR ARCOLA, THEY'LL CALCULATE IT DIFFERENTLY, AND THEY MIGHT GIVE US A MILE JUST FOR THAT ONE STRETCH BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF IT.

>>IT TURNS OUT TO BE SAT A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE SQUARE YARD IN SPACE.

IF YOU 40 FOOT WIDE STREET YOU GOING TO HALF A LOG?

>> YES. CORRECT.

>> ARCOLA ITSELF IS 83,000 ACCORDING TO YOUR ESTIMATES FROM MULBERRY TO RAILROAD TRACK, WHICH DOESN'T ADDRESS BACK FROM LOCUST TO MULBERRY.

>> THIS WAS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF ARCOLA THAT I LISTED OUT AND MOST OF THESE WERE ON THE.

>> THAT'S PRETTY BAD TOO, THOUGH.

>> I GUARANTEE THAT ARCOLA IS DEFINITELY WIDE.

>> ENTRANCE IS POOR OFF.

>> ENTRANCE IS POOR.

>> IT'S BAD.

>> WELL, YES, IF ARCOLA TOWARDS THE COURTHOUSE SIDE OF IT, THAT'S THE PRIORITY WE'LL WORK TOWARDS THAT VERSUS THIS SECTION OF ARCOLA.

>> IT'S ALL BAD.

>>I DON'T THINK WE GAVE YOU ANY DIRECTION.

[LAUGHTER].

>>I KNOW IF WE GET LUCKY ON THESE VIZ, WE'LL DO GIVE YOUR LANE.

>>HOW DO YOU EAT THE ELEPHANT OF WESTERN AVENUE?

>>THAT YOU KNOW THAT MAY BE BETTER OFF BEING ITS OWN PROJECT.

I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT ACTUALLY RECONSTRUCTING THAT ROAD IN DIFFERENT MANNER.

>> I THOUGHT JOHN PRESENTED WAS $3 MILLION.

>> THAT WAS TO CLOSE THE DITCHES UP.

>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE COULDN'T CLOSE THOSE DITCHES.

>> WE HAVE TO RED WITH THE COATER SET DOWN.

YOU CAN'T YOU WENT BACK TO BE REAL TIGHT BECAUSE THE OUTFALL IS REAL SHALLOW IS SOMETHING.

>> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

>> IT'S PRETTY BAD.

>>I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GIVE A SINCERE THOUGHT OF, BUT THERE'S LIKE YOU SAID THERE'S SO MANY PROJECTS.

OBVIOUSLY, ANDERSON IS ENORMOUS, AND IT EATS UP A LOT OF POTENTIAL FUNDS TO GO TO OTHER ROADS.

>> I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS, THE SAFE BED IS THE MIDDLE OF THE TOWN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE ROADS ARE HIGH TRAFFIC, ROADS IN BAD SHAPE, AND THEY'RE CONTIGUOUS TO EACH OTHER.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE DOING ONE ROAD.

COUNCIL, DO I HAVE ACTION?

>> PRESS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT A RECOMMENDATION TO US AND TELL US THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> I WOULD RECOMMEND WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO CREATE SEPARATE AGREEMENT,

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THAT WILL BE SOMETHING SEPARATE, WE'LL WORK TOWARDS.

THEN, WE'VE MILL AND OVERLAY THE OTHER SECTION OF ARCOLA THAT I HAD LISTED, MAGNOLIA VALDEZ AND ANDERSON.

I BELIEVE THAT IS THE YES, ARCOLA, FROM EAST MULBERRY TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, MAGNOLIA, NORTH ROCK ISLAND TO EAST MULBERRY, VALDEAS, FROM LOCUST TO MAGNOLIA AND ANDERSON FROM MAGNOLIA TO LOCUST.

>> THAT'S A MOTION.

>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS PREFACED WITH CECIL'S MOTION, WHICH WAS A RESPONSE, WHICH I GUESS IS I DON'T KNOW.

ANYWAY, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT EVERYTHING THAT HECTOR JUST LAID OUT BE CARRIED FORWARD.

>>SORRY.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOOTH, TO FOLLOW DIRECTION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR ON THE [INAUDIBLE] REQUEST AND TO WORK WITH MISSOURI COUNTY ON THE REMAINDER.

HEARING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS POINT?

>> WHAT DOES IT NEED TO BE CONTINGENT ON GETTING THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH US?

>> I WOULD THINK, YES.

>> EVERYTHING HECTOR SAID CONTINGENT ON THE COUNTY.

I'M AMENDING IT TO CONTINGENT ON THE COUNTY AND WORKING WITH US ON THOSE TWO SPECIFIC AREAS BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OTHERWISE, BECAUSE IF IT ALL FALLS THROUGH, WE MAY NEED TO RE REVISIT THE PLAN.

>> MOTION AMEND SECOND ON CONTINGENCY.

>> I THINK HECTOR WOULD AGREE THAT THE SECTION OF STREET NEXT TO THE COURTHOUSE, EAST TO REPAIR?

>> YES. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THEY HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT AREA DURING THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION.

>> MAYBE NOT. MAYBE JUST THE DRIVE ON PORTION.

THE PART ON THE SIDE IT DOESN'T SEE HOW MUCH HEAVING TRAFFICS PARKING.

NOT SO BAD. THE AREA THAT YOU DRIVE IT SOME OF THE PLACES OUT THERE IS A TIGHT TRAIL.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. THANKS, HECTOR.

>> STAY THERE.

>> ITEM NUMBER 13,

[13. Discussion and update on the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) compliance investigation.]

DISCUSSION AND UPDATE ON THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMPLIANCE INVESTIGATION.

>> THIS OCTOBER 16, WE HAD A TCQ INVESTIGATION, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO JUST AN INSPECTION THAT THEY DO PERIODICALLY ON ON WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES.

THIS ALSO FOLLOW UP TO, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER IN FEBRUARY, MARCH WHEN WE HAD CORRESPONDENCE FROM TCQ AND EPA, AND WE HAD TO SEND A RESPONSE TO HIM FOR NOT RELATED TO THIS, BUT SIMILAR.

BUT DURING THIS INVESTIGATION, THERE WERE A FEW ALLEGED VIOLATIONS AND SOME OBSERVATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US LISTED OUT.

THAT'S THAT'S THE EPA RESPONSE THAT WE SENT IT OUT ON JUNE 4, BUT IT WAS DURING THE MAY TIME FRAME WHEN WE ACTUALLY GOT THE LETTER FROM THEM.

BUT THIS INVESTIGATION, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN FURTHER, OR ITS TCQ EXIT INTERVIEW ON THE TOP, IT'S A LANDSCAPE DOCUMENT.

THERE YOU GO RIGHT THERE. THIS IS WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM THEM.

WE HAVE RESPONDED TO THEM IN THE THREE ALLEGED VIOLATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED AND THEY GIVE YOU CORRECTIVE ACTIONS AND DEADLINES TO SUBMIT TO THEM. WE MET ALL THOSE.

WE GOT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION TO THEM AND THE PROPER TIMELINE.

NOW WE'RE JUST WAITING ON A RESPONSE FROM THEM.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, THERE WERE OTHER OBSERVATIONS, LIKE ONE OF MAIN ONES TO NOTE IS DISSOLVED OXYGEN LEVELS BEING AT 1.02 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER IN THE PLANT.

THAT HAVING THAT LOW OF OXYGEN IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO YOUR TREATMENT.

AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT, WHETHER WE STARTED WORKING WITH CIDER ELECTRIC ON OR PLACE BLOWERS, IMPROVE OUR AERATION SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD IN TURN IMPROVE THAT ISSUE.

THEN IF YOU LOOK BACK TOWARDS THE MAY JUNE TIME FRAME WHEN WE HAD THE CORRESPONDENCE WITH EPA, WELL, THAT WAS FOR AMMONIA NITROGEN, HAVING HIGH LEVELS OF AMMONIA NITROGEN.

WELL, IF YOU CAN'T TREAT THE WASTEWATER PROPERLY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HIGHER LEVELS OF AMMONIA NITROGEN, WHICH ARE NOT GOING TO MEET OUR PERMIT LEVELS.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT HAPPENED, THAT, WE RESPONDED TO IT IN THE PROPER MANNER.

NOW WE'RE JUST AWAITING RESPONSE BACK FROM TCQ.

BUT AGAIN, ALL THIS CORRELATES WITH THE SAME CORE ISSUE OF GETTING THESE ISSUES FIXED AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT.

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UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> DIRECTOR, WHAT'S YOUR ANY FEELING FOR WE INCURRED ANY FINES OR ANYTHING.

>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY, BUT ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT INVESTIGATOR MADE SOME MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS THERE AT THE PLANT.

I AM NOT SURE.

AGAIN, HE'S HE'S THE INVESTIGATOR.

HE'S NOT HE'S NOT IN THE ENFORCEMENT SECTOR, PASS THIS OFF TO THEM, BUT BASED ON HIS COMMENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR SOME REASON, HE HAS AN ISSUE WITH THINGS AT THE PLANT.

IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY AT THIS POINT, BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD COMMENTS LIKE THAT FROM AN INVESTIGATOR, SO IT DOES MAKE ME A LITTLE LEERY, YES.

>> HE KNOWS THAT WITH FULL DISCLOSURE, THERE'S NOTHING.

WE DID SURGE NO PURPOSE FOR TO TRY TO HIDE.

>> EVERYTHING'S OUT THERE, AND THESE ARE DEFICIENCIES IS SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IF IT WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, LET'S SAY IT DOES START GOING TOWARDS THAT ENFORCEMENT ROAD.

WELL, GOOD THING IS, WE HAVE CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE ENTERED IN ALREADY WITH SIDER ELECTRICS TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

THAT'S ONE GOOD THING WE HAVE IS LIKE, HEY, WE REALIZE WE HAVE AN ISSUE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS FIXING IT.

TYPICALLY, THEY'RE VERY LENIENT ON SYSTEMS THAT ARE TAKING THAT APPROACH.

>> SURE THAT WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE TOWARDS SOLVING A PROBLEM?

>> THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 14,

[14. Discussion and possible action on approving Resolution No. 20241112-014 casting votes for the Board of Directors of the Brazoria County Appraisal District. ]

DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 20241-111-2014, CASTING VOTES FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE MISSOURI COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

HOW DOES COUNCIL WANT TO PROCEED?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024112-000, CASTING VOTES FOR THE MISSOURI COUNTY DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS BALLET.

>> WHOM ON ALL THE BOTS YOU GO TO IT?

>> YES. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME.

>> THIS IS JUST APPROVING RESOLUTION.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTIN, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ROBERTS, CASTING ALL OF OUR VOTES TO SUSAN SPORT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?