Dec 09, 2024 Parks & Recreation Board

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OKAY. WHAT IS TODAY?

[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]

WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD MEETING OF APRIL 8TH, 2024.

IT'S OUR LAST MEETING.

IT'S A LONG TIME AGO.

YEAH. NUMBER TWO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON LAKESIDE PARK WILD SCAPE PROPOSAL.

NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS, CHAPTER 17 PARKS AND RECREATION.

DEVELOPED IN 1965.

YEAH. SO WE HAVE THREE ON THE AGENDA.

[1. Discussion and possible action to approve the minutes of the Parks & Recreation Board meeting of April 8, 2024.]

WE'LL OPEN THAT ONE UP.

YOU SHOULD HAVE THE MINUTES THERE IN YOUR PACKET IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO REVIEW THOSE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T, IF YOU HAVE, JUST NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.

I MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS? CONCERNS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THAT PASSES.

GREAT. WE'RE GOING TO ROLL INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[2. Discussion and possible action on Lakeside Park wildscape proposal.]

SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A NEW PARK TO ANGLETON.

AND THAT IS LAKESIDE PARK OFFICIALLY OPENED LAST YEAR IN FEBRUARY.

AND SO ONE OF THE INTENTS BEHIND THAT PARK WAS TO A ADD A NEW PARK TO OUR SYSTEM.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT WAS TO REALLY CREATE SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO REALLY HARNESS THE COLLECTION OF BEING A RECREATION OPPORTUNITY AND THE NATURE SIDE THAT COMES TO IT.

SO HAVING THE LAKE RIGHT THERE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE TYPICALLY GET A LOT IS WHEN ARE WE GOING TO PUT LIGHTS IN THERE? AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE KEEP TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NATURE FRIENDLY, AND ESPECIALLY EVENTS SIMILAR TO OUR STARRY NIGHT EVENT.

THE AMBIENT LIGHTS TAKES AWAY FROM THAT EVENT AND BEING ABLE TO SEE THE NIGHT SKY.

SO WE REALLY TRY TO FIND AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT I STILL MAINTAIN SOME KIND OF A NATURAL FEEL TO IT.

SO WITH THAT, AND THEN WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME ENHANCEMENT TO IT, WE HAD A PARK AMBASSADOR TO BE ABLE TO HELP SUPPORT SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT WE HAD GOING ON OUT THERE TO REPLACE OR TO STAND UP SOME OF THE TREES THAT HAD FALLEN DURING THE RECENT STORMS AND GET THOSE BACK INTO GOOD CONDITION. CLEAN OUT A FEW OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS, AND REALLY JUST TO TAKE TIME IN THE PARK THAT OUR PARK STAFF COULDN'T GET TO, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND WITH THAT, THIS INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER FOR PARKS BOARD BROUGHT A PROPOSAL TO THE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION TO FURTHER THOSE INITIATIVES AND BRING THOSE BACK TO WILD SCAPE LOCATIONS, IF YOU WILL.

SO YOU'LL FIND IN YOUR PACKETS THERE IS A MAP OF LAKESIDE.

AND THEN WITH THAT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE RETURNING THOSE TO A NATURAL HABITATS AND THOSE BEING SOME WILD SCAPE LOCATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS WE WENT THROUGHOUT THE PARK TO TO DO THAT.

YOU'LL NOTICE ON A FEW OF THEM AS YOU LOOK AT THOSE SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE 16 IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAVE ITS ITEMIZED OUT IN DIFFERENT AREAS.

UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN WE TRANSFERRED THAT TO THE AGENDA, IT DID NOT OUTLINE THOSE AREAS AS WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT.

WE DID HAVE IT ON THE POWERPOINT THAT WAS PRESENTED, BUT IT DID NOT GO THERE.

BUT YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT NOW AREA ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.

AND THEN I WILL POINT OUT SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT YOU DO NOTICE DO ENCOMPASS SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE WANTED TO DO SOME OF OUR WILDFLOWER PLANTINGS AT, AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO DO THAT. THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO RETURN IT TO SOME OF ITS NATURAL STATE, BUT ALSO ADD SOME NATIVE PLANTS TO THIS SPACE AND REALLY ENHANCE THAT TO BE A NATURAL AREA.

SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO DAVID TO SPEAK ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER THIS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO GO WITH IT. SO THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS WAS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, BUT EVIDENTLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, THEY TALKED ABOUT LEAVING SOME OF THESE AREAS NATURAL FOR, FOR LOCAL WILDLIFE.

DURING THE DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION, THOSE AREAS WERE JUST SORT OF ELIMINATED.

IT'S REALLY TURNED INTO PRETTY MANICURED, PRETTY MANICURED SITE.

YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE LAKE ITSELF, THE ONLY NATURAL HABITAT THAT'S LEFT AT ALL IS UNDERNEATH THOSE TWO TREES THAT ARE KIND OF OVER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO IN DOING THE WORK THAT I HAD DONE OUT THERE, TRIMMING AND FIXING TREES, AS ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS WHEN I WAS GOING AROUND THE PARK, THE ONLY TIME THAT I SAW

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SO I CAME UP WITH A PROPOSAL TO LET SOME AREAS KIND OF REVERT BACK INTO MORE NATURAL AREAS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA ONE, IT'S THAT CORNER THAT DOES A LOT OF THAT GETS MOWED ON ALMOST A WEEKLY BASIS DURING THE GROWING SEASON.

THERE'S A LOT OF NATIVE TREES, SMALL TREES THAT ARE PLANTED OUT THERE.

BUT MY PROPOSAL, I WAS HOPING THIS WAS GOING TO BE UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT JUST KIND OF LET SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST STOP MOWING THEM AND LET THE NATIVE VEGETATION START GROWING BACK IN.

NUMBER ONE WOULD KIND OF COMPASS THAT CORNER LOT, CORNER AREA AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ALONG THE FENCE LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

AREA TWO WOULD BE DOWN IN THAT CORNER OF THE LAKE, WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NATURAL HABITAT ALREADY, THERE'S SOME CATTAILS THAT ARE GROWING DOWN THERE.

AREA THREE WOULD BE THAT WHOLE LITTLE PENINSULA AREA.

PART OF THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A WILDFLOWER AREA, AND PART OF ITS MOWED ON A REGULAR BASIS.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO LEAVE THIS AVAILABLE FOR FISHERMEN, BUT RIGHT NOW THE FISHERMEN CAN WALK PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE BANK OF THIS LAKE, WHICH IS GREAT IF YOU'RE THE FISHERMAN, AND WE STILL WANT TO LEAVE PLENTY OF FISHING ACCESS.

BUT I'D LIKE TO DEVELOP A COUPLE AREAS ALONG THAT LAKE FOR PLACES FOR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A GROUP OF COOTS OR A GROUP OF BLUE WINGED TEAL AND HERE COMES A FISHERMAN, THEY HAVE A SPOT WHERE THEY CAN GO HIDE IN SOME BRUSH.

THAT AREA FOUR IS KIND OF ACROSS THE DITCH AREA, IT DOESN'T REALLY GET ANY PUBLIC USE AT ALL TO SPEAK OF.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF LARGE TREES THAT WOULD KIND OF ANCHOR A WILD SCAPE AREA OVER THERE.

AREA FIVE IS ALSO KIND OF ACROSS A DITCH AREA AND DOESN'T GET MUCH PUBLIC USE AT ALL EITHER.

AND IT HAS A LARGE TREE THAT KIND OF WOULD SERVE AS AN ANCHOR FOR A WILD SCAPE AREA OVER THERE.

AREA SIX IS AN AREA OF THE LAKE THAT'S KIND OF SHALLOW AND HAS A LITTLE BIT OF NATURAL VEGETATION IN IT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GROW UP A LITTLE MORE IN VEGETATION.

AND THEN THAT AREA SEVEN IS A LARGE MOWED AREA THAT HAS TWO BIG ANCHOR TREES THAT WOULD SERVE AS KIND OF A NATURAL AREA.

SO INITIALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD JUST STOP MOWING IN THESE AREAS AND WE'D MONITOR WHAT WOULD START COMING BACK.

WE ALSO DO SOME PLANTING, DO SOME SEEDING OF SOME NATIVE SPECIES PECANS, OAKS, ELMS, HACKBERRIES, CHERRY LAURELS, HAWTHORNS, VIBURNUMS, YAUPON BEAUTY, BERRIES, AND A FEW OTHERS.

ONE THING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS REMOVE USE EITHER HERBICIDE OR MECHANICAL REMOVAL TO REMOVE EXOTIC SPECIES.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT JOHNSONGRASS OUT THERE.

WE'VE GOT CHINESE TALLOW.

WE'VE GOT MCCARTNEY AND CHEROKEE ROSE.

WE'VE GOT SOME CHINESE PRIVET.

SO THOSE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO BE TREATED WITH HERBICIDE OR MECHANICALLY REMOVED AS THESE AREAS START TO COME BACK.

TALKING WITH JASON AND MEGAN, WE WOULD DEVELOP SOME SIGNAGE FOR THESE AREAS THAT TALKED ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THIS.

SO WHEN THE PUBLIC CAME BY, THEY DIDN'T JUST THINK, OKAY, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS NEGLECTING THIS.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT KIND OF ENHANCING FOR FOR WILDLIFE AND WILDFLOWERS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.

YOU KNOW, IN INTEREST OF FULL DISCLOSURE, IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE ROUGH AT FIRST.

WHEN WE STOP MOWING THIS, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK.

IT'S GOING TO LOOK BRUSHY. IT'S GOING TO LOOK NEGLECTED AT FIRST.

BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, IN 5 YEARS IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IN 10 YEARS IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IN 50 YEARS IT'S GOING TO LOOK FANTASTIC.

AND IN THE LONG TERM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER RIGHT THERE.

SO WE WOULD FOLLOW THIS THE CITY OF ANGLETON PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS THIS LEVEL OF VEGETATIVE MAINTENANCE THAT LEVELS HOW THEY MAINTAIN THEIR PARKS.

AND LEVEL ONE IS THE STUFF THEY MOW EVERY WEEK.

AND THIS WOULD BE MOVING TO A LEVEL SIX, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST LET IT GO TREATING EXOTICS AND INVASIVE SPECIES AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. SO WE PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD DO THESE SEVEN AREAS INITIALLY.

AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS THIS IS THE MAP.

WELL, HERE, THIS THIS WILL DEFINE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH THOSE YELLOW CIRCLES.

AND THIS WAS WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN UP THERE I WAS LIKE WHOA.

YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE LOTS OF MOWED AREAS.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE BRUSH AND STUFF COMING RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE TRAIL.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIX TEN FOOT WIDE AREA SO THAT YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BUGS OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GET YOU WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THE TRAIL.

AND I APOLOGIZE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE UP THERE.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAD SENT AND WE WERE TRYING.

DUE TO A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, EVIDENTLY THAT'S NOT THERE.

SO IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE SMALL, ISOLATED AREAS THROUGHOUT THE PARK THAT ARE KIND OF ANCHORED EITHER BY THE LAKE OR BY SOME EXISTING TREES.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO LET THE WHOLE THING GROW UP.

WE WANT TO HAVE THE VIEW ACROSS THE LAKE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPEDE THE AREA AROUND THE PAVILION OR THE GREEN OR THE WHERE THE PICNIC TABLES ARE BY THE PAVILION OR THE PICNIC AREAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LAKE.

SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET THAT WIDE OPEN FIELD, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE SOME LITTLE POCKETS OF STUFF FOR BIRDS AND INSECTS AND WHATEVER SORT OF WILDLIFE WANTS TO USE IT.

AND THEN THAT SEATING AREA THAT'LL STAY THEN.

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YES. THAT WOULD STAY THERE.

AWESOME. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

I LIKE IT. I DO THINK THAT PARK IS VERY MANICURED AND IT'S REALLY PRETTY.

BUT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AT A PARK FOR NATURE TOO, SO.

THE OTHER ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS IT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE THAT'S DONE ON IT.

YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF FUEL THAT'S BURNED, THE AMOUNT OF MAN HOURS, THE AMOUNT OF WEAR AND TEAR ON THE ZERO TURN MOWERS.

I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT IS THE TWO TREES THAT ARE ON ENCHANTED OAKS DRIVE.

THEY ORIGINALLY THEY CLEANED OUT UNDERNEATH THEM, AND THEN THEY STOPPED BECAUSE THEY WERE ALWAYS MUDDY DOWN BELOW AND IT WAS HARD FOR THEM TO MOW OR WHATEVER. BUT I HATE TO SAY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP.

I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE.

AND SO JUST LETTING WEEDS GROW AROUND THE BASE OF A TREE AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE TREES HARDLY NOW.

THE POLE TRUNK.

I CAN'T IMAGINE.

I MEAN, CAN'T WE DO SOMETHING LIKE NOT AS OVERGROWN? I MEAN, HOW IS THAT HELPING ANYTHING? I GUESS I'M NOT SURE IT'S HELPING THE WILDLIFE THERE.

YEAH, I AGREE. YOU DON'T YOU DON'T SEE THE MAJESTIC LIVE OAK TRUNK COMING DOWN TO A TO A MOWED AREA, BUT.

AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER.

I MEAN, YEAH, WE CAN CLEAR IT OUT AND MOW IT, BUT BUT MY THOUGHTS IS LET'S, LET'S LET'S LET IT GROW UP LET'S LET IT GET BUSHY IN CERTAIN AREAS.

AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP WITH THE, WITH THE NATURAL WILDLIFE THERE, THE INSECTS, THE BIRDS, WHATEVER ELSE IS THERE.

OUT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER FOR THAT THOUGH, IS SO THE AREA YOU'RE SPEAKING OF KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT DAVID WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THERE'S A LOT OF NON-NATIVE SPECIES THAT ARE THERE.

AND THAT'S THE MANICURE SIDE THAT WE TAKE INTO PLAY IS BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT HOW WE WOULD DO THIS.

IS THAT, YES, WE WOULD ALLOW IT TO GROW UP.

BUT PART OF THAT COMES INTO NOT KNOWING WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THAT SPACE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PUTTING THE RIGHT KIND OF SPECIES IN THERE.

SO THAT WAY IT DOES LOOK APPROPRIATE.

SO IT TAKES TAKES AWAY SOME OF THAT OVERGROWN FEEL.

SO THOSE TREES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE THAT IS A MIX OF . AND SO WITH SOME OF THAT IS BEING INTENTIONAL OF HOW WE WE RETURN THEM TO A NATIVE STATE.

SOMETIMES THE THOUGHT OF RETURNING TO NATIVE IS JUST ALLOWED TO JUST GROW.

AND PART OF IT IS THAT BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL OF WHAT SPECIES ARE IN THERE.

SO IT'S YOU KNOW, AS DAVID HAD MENTIONED, IT'S REMOVING ONES THAT ARE NON-NATIVE.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR THOSE TREES, THAT TREE LINE AND UNDER THAT BRUSH IS THERE'S A LOT OF NON-NATIVE THAT HAS JUST TAKEN OVER.

AND SO WE WOULD WANT TO REMOVE SOME OF THOSE AND GO BACK TO A NATIVE SPECIES THAT DOES HAVE A BETTER LOOK AND FEEL TO IT.

SO IT DOESN'T JUST IT'S NOT THE INTENT ISN'T JUST TO MAKE IT OVERGROWN.

IT'S TO LIKE PROVIDE SOME EDUCATION PIECE THAT COMES TO IT, AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROGRAM AT THOSE SPACES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET NATIVE WILDLIFE THAT GO IN THERE AND USE IT VERSUS SOME OF THE NON-NATIVE STUFF.

OUR WILDLIFE WON'T GO IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE USED TO.

OR IF WE GO INTO MORE INSECTS AND BUTTERFLIES, IT'S THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO THAT.

LIKE, WE WANT TO BE INTENTIONAL OF WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE TO BRING IN THE RIGHT KIND OF SPECIES TO IT.

YEAH, YOU [INAUDIBLE] LIKE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO ATTRACT BUTTERFLIES AND HUMMINGBIRDS AND THINGS I WOULD THINK MOSTLY THERE.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE LIKE SOIL TESTING [INAUDIBLE] WHAT KIND OF SOIL IS ACTUALLY THERE.

CLAY. BECAUSE I KNOW FOR ME, MY MY YARD WAS, YOU KNOW, CLAY ESSENTIALLY.

SO I MEAN, AS FAR AS WHAT'S COMING UP, IT'S LIKE, I THINK YOU COULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

SO I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THAT.

YEAH. I MEAN, WE DO TREE PLANTINGS OUT THERE.

SO WE JUST DID OUR TREE PLANTING FOR NOVEMBER THIS YEAR, AND WE DID THAT AT LAKESIDE THIS YEAR AS WELL.

SO I MEAN WE KNOW THERE'S CLAY OUT THERE, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S SAND OUT THERE.

WE ALSO KNOW THERE'S REAL GOOD SOIL.

SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU GO.

WITH THE LAKE BEING PROMINENT RIGHT THERE WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO ADD THOSE THINGS, BUT SOME OF THIS WILL BE TRIAL AND ERROR TO SEE WHAT TAKES.

I MEAN, WE PLANT TREES OUT THERE ALL THE TIME KNOWING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP ALL OF THEM.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, PLANTING 100 TREES MIGHT SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT IF YOU ENVISION THAT 75% OF THEM ARE THE ONES THAT STICK.

WELL, YOU JUST LOST 25 TREES, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS OVER TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTENTIONAL PROCESS TO KNOW THAT, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT IT JUST TO BE OVERGROWN AND THAT IT IS JUST AN INVASIVE SPECIES THAT'S GOING TO TAKE OVER AND NOT LOOK RIGHT.

EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE IS THOSE WILDFLOWER AREAS.

SO CURRENTLY AT LAKESIDE WE HAVE DESIGNATED WILDFLOWER AREAS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.

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AND SO THAT IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY GO AND PLANT WILDFLOWERS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO ENHANCE THAT AREA.

TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS INTENTIONAL, THAT IT'S NOT JUST, OH, WE DID IT ONCE AND THAT'S IT.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO HAVING TO GO IN THERE AND LOOK AND SAY, IS SOMETHING TAKING OVER? IS THERE A PLANT SPECIES THAT WE NEED TO GET RID OF BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER ALLOWING IT TO BE A BEAUTIFUL SPACE.

IT IS NOW JUST TAKEN OVER BY ONE SPECIES, SO THERE'S SOME VERY INTENTIONAL THOUGHT THAT ALSO GOES INTO THAT.

BUT WE WOULD IDEALLY WITH OUR LEVELS, IT WOULD BE A LEVEL SIX TO WHERE WE WOULD STOP MAJOR MAINTENANCE IN THOSE SPACES.

SO WE WOULDN'T GO IN AND DO A MOW, IT WOULD BE ALLOWING IT TO, TO COME BACK, BUT MONITORING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS, BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE MOWING THE AREA AROUND THE TRAIL LIKE 8 FOOT OR 10 FOOT OR I DON'T KNOW WIDE IT IS YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TO MAINTAIN THE AREA AROUND THE TRAIL, RIGHT? YES, YES. BECAUSE I NOTICED YOU PLANT LIKE THE WILDFLOWERS, LIKE RIGHT UP TO THE TRAIL.

AND THEN THEY THEY GROW INTO THE TRAIL.

AND I MEAN, LIKE, EVERY TIME YOU'RE WALKING, YOU'RE LIKE, IS A SNAKE GOING TO COME OUT? I MEAN, REALLY, THAT'S TOO CLOSE.

I MEAN, YOU SHOULD HAVE AN AREA AROUND THE TRAIL THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, LET THAT LET THOSE WILDFLOWERS BE A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THE TRAIL INSTEAD OF LIKE, RIGHT UP NEXT TO IT, GROWING ONTO THE TRAIL.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I NOTICED, THIS WHOLE AREA OVER HERE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE.

I GUESS IT IS.

YEAH, YEAH. SOUTHWEST SIDE.

YOU KNOW WHERE THEY HAD THE BIG, THEY USED TO HAVE SUNFLOWERS.

THEY DIDN'T PLANT ANY THIS YEAR, I DON'T THINK OR NOTHING GREW.

THEY HAVE NOT YET. NO. YEAH.

YEAH. BUT THIS LAST SUMMER THERE WAS A LOT OF IT WAS PRETTY, BUT THEY WERE LIKE RIGHT UP TO THE TRAIL AND OVERGROWN INTO THE TRAIL.

AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE.

I LIKE IT GOING RIGHT UP TO THE TRAIL BECAUSE I COULD, I COULD WALK ON THE TRAIL AND I COULD, I COULD SEE THE BUMBLEBEE RIGHT THERE.

I COULD SEE THE BUCKEYE BUTTERFLY RIGHT THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION ON WHAT A PARK MEANS TO YOU AND WHAT YOU WANT IN A PARK.

I TEND TO LEAN TOWARDS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE NATURE ORIENTED WILD SIDE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

I LIKE WILD SIDE, BUT I LIKE IT MORE.

I MEAN, I WOULDN'T WANT THE WHOLE TRAIL TO BE LIKE THAT.

I GET YOUR POINT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO WALK THE WHOLE TRAIL WHERE YOU'RE JUST BRUSH RIGHT TO THE SIDE.

AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE INTENTION.

I AGREE WITH YOU 100% ON THAT.

WE DON'T WANT THAT.

NATURAL KIND OF PLANTS FOR BIRDS AND STUFF.

IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO GO.

YOU KNOW SO I LIKE THAT.

AND WE COULD BE WE COULD ATTRACT A LOT OF THOSE SIMILAR BIRDS IN THE SPRING, SPRING AND FALL MIGRATION HERE IF WE HAD COVER FOR THEM.

YEAH, YEAH. RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOTHING IF YOU'RE A MIGRATING BIRD PASSING THROUGH THAT AREA THIS TIME OF YEAR, YOU'RE COMING TO MY BACKYARD.

WELL, AND THAT'S IT AND LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW AGAIN, THE ONE THAT YOU SEE ON THE IMAGE DOESN'T REALLY DO IT JUSTICE.

BUT PART OF OUR INTENT IS TO TRY, AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT NEAR THE TRAIL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OFF THE BEATEN PATH TO PROVIDE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AS WELL IS THAT HABITAT FOR NATIVE SPECIES TO COME IN, RIGHT? NATIVE WILDLIFE IS THEY DON'T WANT TO BE DISTURBED.

SO IF YOU HAVE IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE TRAIL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ATTRACTIVE FOR THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND I MEAN, WE MIGHT FIND OUT DOWN THE ROAD THAT SEVEN IS IT OR LIKE THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION TO SAY DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE SEVEN.

DOES THE BOARD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A PLAN TO GET TO SEVEN? RIGHT. THE HOPE WOULD BE TO RETURN SOME OF THAT.

AND AND KNOWING THAT A LOT OF THE AREAS IDENTIFIED AREN'T CURRENTLY ON THE MAIN TRAIL.

AND I ASSUME IF WE GET INTO THIS AND WE SAY AREA FIVE IS JUST NOT WORKING OUT, WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO IT FOREVER, WE COULD GO IN THERE WITH THE SHREDDERS AND SAY, LET'S OPEN THIS BACK UP. LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU OPEN UP AREA FOUR BIGGER? WELL, MOST OF THIS IS A RETENTION POND.

YEAH, THAT'S A RETENTION DOWN BELOW.

OH YEAH. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE HIGHER END.

THIS IS THE LOW RETENTION. YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY THOUGHTS IS BY LETTING THIS FILL IN HERE YOU SCREEN SOME OF THIS BUT LIKE AREA ONE, THAT'S THE PART OF THE NORTH.

WHAT IS IT? NORTH. IT'S PRETTY MUCH NORTH.

OKAY. AND TO ME, YOU WOULD AT LEAST WANT TO COULD YOU DO BOTH WHERE YOU LIKE PLANTED CRAPE MYRTLES OR MULEY GRASSES OR PAMPAS GRASS OR SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF NOT MANICURED, BUT A BORDER, A PRETTY BORDER THAT'S KIND OF LIKE LOOKS GOOD, THAT HIDES ALL OF THAT KIND OF

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DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'D LIKE THE ROAD AND THE STUFF PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY DRIVE BY TO NOT LOOK SO UNKEPT.

AN EXAMPLE, I WOULD USE FOR THAT ONE IS THE BERM AREA THAT'S ON THE FAR EDGE KIND OF LIKE STARTS AT AREA ONE.

YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF BERM HILLING THAT GOES THERE.

THAT WAS THE INTENT WAS TO CREATE A BARRIER TO MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE MORE IN A PARK THAN HAVING THE HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND THERE AS TO WHERE THAT WAS, THAT WHY WE WANTED THE DIRT SAVED TO MOVE OVER THERE WAS TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DIFFERENT FEEL SO IT WASN'T JUST YOU STARING AT HOMES WHILE YOU WALK IN THE PARK.

SO YES, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT.

I JUST FOR I MEAN, FOR ME, IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO IT'S WHEN THINGS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE NOT APPEALING RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, GET ON 288 TRY GOING NORTH RIGHT NOW AND RIGHT, BUT WHAT'S THE LONG RUN? AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE FOCUS IS OF THIS AT THIS POINT IS THAT IT'S ALL THINGS THAT LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 5 YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS AND SO WE MAY NOT BE THE GENERATION THAT GETS TO ENJOY ALL OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BECOME, BUT WE GET TO MAKE THE DECISION TO ALLOW IT TO BECOME THAT.

SO FOR ME, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE YES, LET'S AGREE TO THIS.

AND THEN IF FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, CLARA IS DRIVING DOWN, SHE SEES IT AFTER SEVEN MONTHS OF THIS PROGRAM AND GOES, NAH, THIS IS TOO MUCH, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BRING IT BACK AND REVISIT HOW TO DO IT.

BUT FOR NOW I FEEL LIKE IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO COME UP AS THIS HAS THE CHANCE TO DO WHAT IT'S DOING.

SO THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF IT IS, SURPRISE, HERE'S THIS OR SURPRISE, THERE'S THAT.

OR WE KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, TRIAL AND ERROR.

NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT WORKS WELL, WHAT PLANTS ARE.

WELL HANG ON I MEAN, ARE YOU A NATURALIST, MASTER NATURALIST? I SPENT 25 YEARS AS A CAREER NATURALIST.

OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, SO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF THINGS CAN BE PLANTED? I MEAN, WE JUST NEED TO USE SOME EXPERTISE THERE.

WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT CAN WORK.

I HAVE THE EXPERTISE. IT SHOULDN'T BE TRIAL AND ERROR, WE SHOULD KNOW.

YEAH. IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

SOME OF IT, THOUGH IS AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE MY POINT LIES IS NOT WHAT WE CAN STICK THERE, BUT WHAT IS GOING TO COME THERE ON ITS OWN, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, IS ALLOW IT TO SEE WHAT IS COMING.

HE'S NAMING A WHOLE BUNCH OF PLANTS THAT AREN'T GOING TO COME THERE ON THEIR OWN.

SO SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY THERE ON THEIR OWN, AND SOME OF THEM ARE IN THE AREA.

LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T WE PLANT LIKE, LIKE GRASSES TO GIVE THEM A PLACE NOW TO HIDE.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO JUST BE GRASS EVENTUALLY.

WE WANT IT TO BE SOME SHRUBS AND SOME TREES IN THERE.

SO WE WANT TO INTRODUCE SOME SOME OF THAT WILL COME BACK ON ITS OWN FROM SEEDS, BUT OTHER ONES CAN BE INTRODUCED, WHETHER WE'RE INTRODUCING CAROLINA CHERRY LAUREL OR VIBURNUM OR ROUGHLEAF DOGWOOD.

WHEN THAT WAS MENTIONED AS WELL, THAT THERE WAS SOME INTENTIONAL THINGS TO BE PLANTED AS WELL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOME OF IT WILL BE WHAT COMES UP ON ITS OWN, BUT THEN SOME OF IT WILL BE HELPING OUT WITH WITH LOCAL PLANTS FROM THE AREA.

AND I DO HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE ON THAT AND I CAN HELP OUT WITH THAT.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A NATURAL I MEAN, I LOVE THAT.

I LOVE NATURE. I LOVE ATTRACTING ANIMALS.

THAT WHOLE THING APPEALS TO ME.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THE UNSIGHTLY, KIND OF UNKEPT PART OF IT I THINK FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING TO LIVE AND YOU'RE ONE OF THEM THAT HAVE TO LIVE CLOSE TO IT AND LOOK AT IT ALL THE TIME WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT FIND THAT ATTRACTIVE.

THEY CAN COME TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND LET US KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE.

SO A GOOD POINT FOR THAT ONE IS THAT THIS DECISION WOULD STILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

LIKE WE WOULD BRING THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PHASED APPROACH, LIKE, AND MAYBE THE RECOMMENDATION YOU ALL PROVIDE IS TO LOOK AT CERTAIN AREAS IN AN ORDER, MAYBE AREA NUMBER ONE IS NOT THE FIRST AREA THAT WE TACKLE RIGHT, TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS GOING TO HELP US REDUCE MAN HOURS THAT ARE THERE. AND THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUR RESOURCES IN OTHER PLACES.

BUT ALSO SUPPORT THIS, RIGHT.

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BUT PART OF IT IS, YES, IT'S GOING TO START TO LOOK OVERGROWN TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW NATURE TO DO ITS THING.

BUT WE COULD DO THAT IN, IN ANY ORDER.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY THAT TOMORROW.

RIGHT? LET'S SAY CITY COUNCIL SAID YES TONIGHT.

AND TOMORROW WE JUST STOP.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT.

IT COULD BE VERY STRATEGIC IN HOW WE DO THIS, TO EXPLORE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT INTO THE PARK.

AND NUMBER FOUR, SORRY, AREA FOUR IS THAT IS THAT'S MORE OF THE DRAINAGE AREA.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S THE IRRIGATION.

YEAH.

RIGHT. AREA FOUR.

YEAH. THAT PART OF IT.

IT'S JUST A SMALL SECTION OF IT.

I MEAN, YOU COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF WE START ON THIS BACK END AND THEN WE START IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT, AS, YOU KNOW, NOT AS MAYBE TRAFFIC, NOT AS LOOKED AT RIGHT NOW, KIND OF SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

AND THEN I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO KIND OF FLOW POSSIBLY THIS DIRECTION.

RIGHT. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN MYSELF, BUT I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS LIKE SEEDS, WIND BLOWING, BLAH BLAH BLAH.

ALL THIS STUFF IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO CAN WE JUST MAYBE AGREE RIGHT NOW FOR THE AREA IN THE BACK, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE WATER IS RUNNING THROUGH IT.

I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE SOIL, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT WHAT HAPPENS.

AND JUST KIND OF LET THAT BE WHERE WE DECIDE TO START NOW AND THEN GET TO THESE AREAS IN THE FRONT PART OF THE YOU KNOW, THE PLACE CLAIRE IS MOST CONCERNED WITH, FOR EXAMPLE.

RIGHT. AND STUFF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THE UNSIGHTLINESS RIGHT AWAY.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO BOTH.

I THINK YOU CAN PLANT INTENTIONALLY PLANT THINGS THAT THAT LOOK GOOD FROM THE STREET, THAT KIND OF HIDE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK, LOOK GOOD.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALLOW THAT TO GROW A LITTLE WHILE IN THE PARK AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT.

SO CAN WE, CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE THE LEVELS WE'RE AGREEING ON IN THESE AREAS FOR NOW AND THEN GO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE AGAIN BRINGING UP THAT WE SAY, OKAY, CAN WE KEEP THIS AT A LEVEL TWO OR THREE FOR NOW? AND THEN LET'S MOVE AREA LIKE THREE, FOUR AND FIVE TO SIX.

IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN DO THAT? ANY RECOMMENDATION IS FROM THE BOARD, I MEAN YEAH.

RIGHT NOW I'M JUST MORE STRESSED ABOUT ONE AND SEVEN.

THOSE TWO AREAS ALONG ENCHANTED I GUESS STRESS ME OUT MORE.

SO IN ORDER FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAVING TIME, THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THOSE AREAS MAINTAIN THE NUMBER OF THE WHAT WAS THAT ONE FOR MANICURED LEVEL TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR MAYBE WE'RE LEAVING IT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL, SO.

IT'S HARD TO KNOW HOW BIG THESE AREAS ARE THOUGH.

I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT THE WHOLE AREA, SO.

RIGHT. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD LEAVE.

ONE I LIKE I LIKE A LOT OF ONE.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I LIKE A LOT OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE SOME MOWED AREA RIGHT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN HERE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, BRUSH RIGHT UP TO THE ROAD.

OKAY. SO THERE'D BE SOME AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DREW THESE, I INTENTIONALLY DREW BACK BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT, YEAH, YEAH, BRUSH RIGHT UP TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU'RE EITHER DRIVING THE ROADS OR WALKING THIS OR PLAYING IN THE PLAYGROUND.

RIGHT. OR THE PAVILION OR THE PAVILION.

I MEAN, YOU COULD BORDER, YOU COULD BORDER THAT WITH SOMETHING THAT COULD HIDE THE, LIKE I SAID, PAMPAS GRASS OR SOMETHING MUHLY GRASS.

YOU KNOW, THOSE GRASSES.

YEAH. OR EVEN SOMETHING THAT IS MUHLY GRASS.

YEAH. NOT PAMPAS GRASS.

OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] YEAH.

OKAY, SO CAN WE THEN CAN WE MAKE, LIKE, A CAN WE MAKE, LIKE AN AGREEMENT ON THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS, BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE GOOD SUGGESTION, THERE'S GOING TO BE GOOD PEOPLE INVOLVED AND FIGURING ALL THAT PART OUT.

BUT WITH THE LEVELS THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE.

SO ASSUMING MAYBE CAN, CAN WE MAYBE GET TO THOSE AREAS THAT Y'ALL ARE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT NOW, THE MOST CONCERN AND MAYBE KEEP IT LIKE A LEVEL THREE, FOR EXAMPLE, MODERATE SO THAT THERE'S STILL SOME WORK BEING DONE.

BUT WE'RE AT MAYBE IS THAT GOING TO GIVE WIGGLE ROOM.

SO IF THEY'RE MOWING IT ALL IN THERE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A ONCE A YEAR MOWING RIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GAINED IN THAT YEAR, EVERY SHRUB, EVERY NATIVE TREE IS GOING TO GET MOWED OUT.

I PROPOSE THAT WE WE WE WE ACCEPT THIS LIKE IT IS, AND THEN WE CAN TWEAK IT DOWN THE LINE.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOW ALONG THE EDGE OF THE TRAIL.

OH, YEAH. OH, YEAH. OH, YEAH.

YEAH. SO, OKAY.

YEAH. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE LIKE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDER THE TREES IN AREA ONE, WHO'S GOT THE EXPERTISE ON THE PARKS BOARD THAT EVEN KNOWS, LIKE WHAT CAN BE REMOVED.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? I MEAN, THOSE GUYS, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING OF US.

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I'VE DONE A LOT OF VOLUNTEER WORK THERE, AND I MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH JASON AND MEGAN THAT I'M WILLING TO HELP OUT THERE STILL.

AND I'VE GOT THE EXPERTISE ON WHAT'S NATIVE AND WHAT'S NOT NATIVE.

AND CITY COUNCIL CAN ALSO ASK THOSE THOSE TOUGH QUESTIONS FOR US.

WE'RE JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION ON IF WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.

PARDON WITH ALLOWING THIS PROPOSAL AS IT IS.

AND THEN AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO OVERSEE THAT THE EXPERTISE IS THERE TO HANDLE THIS AS IT GOES FORWARD.

SO IT WOULD BE US SAYING, YES, LET COUNCIL GO WITH THIS.

AND THEN IF THEY'RE AGREEABLE, THEY'LL FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

WE'RE GOING TO TRUST THEM TO DO THAT AND, AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.

AND IF IT GROWS BACK AND IT LOOKS REALLY UNSIGHTLY AND REALLY BAD, WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO IT.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME IN AND WE CAN WE CAN CUT IT.

WE CAN DO OTHER PLANTINGS.

I'M SURE IF IT DOES LOOK REALLY BAD AND REALLY WEAK, CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT.

YEAH. AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, YEAH, MEGAN, YOU NEED TO YOU NEED TO DO THIS.

AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE THAT, TO WHERE WE THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL TO WHERE IT HAS TO STAY THERE FOR LONGEVITY, JUST LIKE THIS PROPOSAL HAS COME IN TO LOOK AT EXPLORING THE OPTION TO RETURN IT TO A NATURAL STATE.

IF WE DECIDE THAT THAT IS NOT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO, THAT'S PART OF THE PARKS BOARD'S MISSION, IS TO BRING THESE THINGS TO US, OF SAYING, HEY, THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING THIS, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? LIKE, HOW CAN WE CHANGE THIS AND ALTER SOME OF THESE THINGS, SO.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PARKS BOARD SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL THAT SAID, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS WILD SCAPE THINGS.

THESE ARE THE AREAS WE'D LIKE TO START LOOKING AT.

ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? YEAH, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PARKS AND REC BOARD APPROVES THE LAKESIDE PARK WILD SCAPE PROPOSAL.

I SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY, WE HAVE A AS IT STANDS, I MEAN, I THINK WE START AS IT STANDS.

I THINK WE MAKE THIS PROPOSAL AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING, PUTTING ANYTHING IN CONCRETE.

I GUESS WHAT I'M NOT CLEAR ON, SORRY I'M NOT CLEAR ON YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST LETTING IT GROW WILD.

NOT PLANNING AND REPLACING WITH CERTAIN.

OH, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. PLANTING.

REPLACING WITH CERTAIN SPECIES, CONTROLLING WITH HERBICIDE AND MECHANICAL REMOVAL OF EXOTIC SPECIES.

SO YOU'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT LETTING IT GROW WILD.

NO, NO.

IT'S GOOD.

THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE IDEA IS TO LET IT BE NATIVE.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS OF YOU BELONG HERE, YOU DON'T BELONG HERE, YOU BELONG HERE, YOU DON'T BELONG HERE, WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU OUT BY PUTTING THESE SEEDS OR BY PUTTING THESE PLANTS IN HERE, NOT JUST TO IGNORE IT AND WALK AWAY.

LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE THERE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA IS NOT MOWED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BIRDS, FLOWERS AND TREES CAN GROW OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S WHERE IT'S HERE ON LEVEL SIX FOR THE NATURAL AREA IS THE INSPECTIONS THAT MAKES SENSE AT A MINIMUM THAT REPAIRS WEED CONTROL SAYS NONE, WHICH MAY BE WHERE THE QUESTION IS COMING FROM.

IF WE WANT A LEVEL SIX, BUT IT'S SAYING THERE'S NO CONTROL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LEVEL SIX BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MANAGE EXOTICS.

AND JASON AND MEGAN AND I BOTH TALKED ABOUT IT.

DO WE NEED TO CHANGE ANY LANGUAGE HERE? THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WE WANT TO REMOVE THE EXOTICS THAT ARE THERE TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT IT LOOKS THE RIGHT WAY.

BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET TO THAT THAT SPACE, AS YOU ALL HAVE SEEN WITH THE CITY.

AND AS FAR AS HOW THINGS WORK, IT'S A PROCESS, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HIT ALL SEVEN AREAS AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO PUT A BRAND NEW SPECIES IN THERE TOMORROW IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO SO.

SO IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT FUNDING WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND THE MANPOWER AND ALL THAT TO DO SO.

ALL RIGHT. ARE WE GOOD WHERE WE STAND OR WE NEED TO GO AGAIN.

I THINK MOTION ON THE TABLE THAT IS TO APPROVE AS IS TO START THE PROCESS OF RETURNING OR PUTTING THESE SEVEN AREAS TO A LEVEL SIX AS THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE TABLE.

AND I DO WANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS WILL STILL GO TO COUNCIL.

SO IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL TODAY.

IT'S JUST THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL.

SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION, WE'VE GOT A SECOND.

SO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE.

DISCUSSION, ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE AYE. ALL OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU. WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS THIS PROGRESSES THROUGH.

BUT LEAVE A LITTLE NOTE FOR.

OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY NEVER MIND.

WE DON'T NEED TO LEAVE A NOTE FOR COUNCIL.

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BUT WHAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DAVID'S ALLUDING TO IS, WAS ALWAYS PART OF OUR PLAN.

THAT PARK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE NATURAL THAN ALL THE OTHER PARKS WE BUILT OVER THE YEARS.

SO YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO A LOT OF THINGS WE HAD PLANNED ON AT THE TIME, BUT THE CITY HAS A SOME KIND OF BUTTERFLY INITIATIVE.

WE USED TO DO THE MONARCH THING EVERY YEAR.

WE WANT TO CREATE PLACES FOR BUTTERFLIES OR OTHER STUFF.

SO WHAT YALL ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW WAS ALWAYS IN THE PLAN, IT JUST HASN'T GOT THERE.

ONE THING TO CONSIDER WHEN YALL TALK ABOUT AREA FOUR, THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT MOWS THAT SO INSIDE OF THAT, THERE'S PROBABLY LIMITED WHAT YOU CAN DO.

I THINK THAT'S A DETENTION POND OVER AND THEN AROUND INSIDE OF THE THE TRAIL.

SO THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

THE SLOPES OF THE POND DURING DISTRICT MOSAIC AT DIFFERENT INTERVALS.

SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

BUT YEAH, THE WAY YOU HAVE THE AREA I GUESS THAT'S THREE THAT [INAUDIBLE] WE WERE GOING TO DO SOME THINGS THERE BUT RAN OUT OF MONEY FOR THAT.

BUT, BUT DOING SOME THINGS THAT ENHANCE NATURE WAS ALWAYS IN THE PLAN.

AND WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE TWO BIG OAK TREES NEXT TO ENCHANTED OAKS, THOSE USED TO BE CLEAN.

I MEAN, WHEN I OWNED THAT LAND BEFORE I MADE A DEAL WITH THE CITY ON THAT PARK, I USED TO MOW AND EAT THOSE TREES.

AND IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO SEE A TREE.

WHEN YOU JUST SEE THE TOP, YOU DON'T GET TO SEE THE MAJESTY OF THE TRUNK AND THE LIMBS.

BUT THERE IS, AS Y'ALL SAID, SOME NOT INVASIVE, BUT NOT NATIVE SPECIES WE CAN RIP OUT SO WE CAN GET KIDS AND YOU GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO IT.

BUT ANYWAY, WHAT Y'ALL DISCUSSING TODAY IS, IS IS GOOD, THAT'S KIND OF THE THING WE ALWAYS PLANNED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO OUR LAST AGENDA ITEM.

[3. Discussion on the Code of Ordinances of the City of Angleton, Texas, Chapter 17 - Parks & Recreation developed in 1965.]

SO, AS MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE WE ESTABLISHED A TASK FORCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CURRENT PARKS ORDINANCES.

SO THIS WAS REALLY TO FOCUS ON THE 1965 ORDINANCES.

SO THAT IS FROM WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED TO CREATE A PARKS DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS REALLY MORE OF A PARKS BOARD AT THAT TIME AND HAS EVOLVED EXTENSIVELY, AS YOU'RE AWARE. SO IN THAT WE HAVE SET UP A MONTHLY MEETINGS TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW ALL THE ORDINANCES THAT APPLY WITHIN THAT 1965 ORDINANCE.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE NOTES THAT GO THROUGH OUT THERE.

WE'VE CURRENTLY COMPLETED THREE OF THOSE MEETINGS.

AND WENT THROUGH AND WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THINGS.

WHAT IS THE FORMAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING? DO THINGS NEED TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER APPLY TO US? SO WE STARTED TO COMB THROUGH THOSE AND TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO.

SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT.

SO THE TASK FORCE IS MOVING THROUGH THESE AS YOU'LL SEE ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THEM.

THERE ARE ONES THAT WE ARE NOT TOUCHING.

SO THERE WAS ONES THAT WERE UPDATED RECENTLY.

SO ONE SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO HOW THE PARKS BOARD ITSELF OPERATES.

AND WHEN WE CLEARED SOME THINGS UP OF WHAT ABLC DOES VERSUS WHAT THE PARKS BOARD DOES, WE DON'T INTEND TO TO CHANGE THAT ONE, BECAUSE THAT WAS A MORE RECENT REVISION VERSUS THE ONES THAT WERE JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

SO 1965 IS, AGAIN, THOSE ONES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.

SO SOME OF THE PENDING ITEMS WE HAVE IS WE'RE STILL WORKING ON SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS AND ENSURING THAT WE CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO EXIST.

WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING THE RULES AND CODE OF CONDUCT TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES THERE.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON THINGS FOR OUR FACILITIES.

SO WHEN THE FIRST ORDINANCES TOOK PLACE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE REC CENTER.

REC CENTER CAME IN AND IF YOU'VE EVER LOOKED AT OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE REC CENTER IS ABOUT TWO LINES AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS PARKS.

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SO WE'RE UPDATING STUFF THERE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR PERMITS WORK AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO RENT OUR SPACES, WHETHER THAT BE AT THE REC CENTER, WHETHER IT BE AT THE PARKS.

WE'RE UPDATING THINGS FOR THE RECREATION DIVISION, SAME THING.

SO OVER TIME, AS OUR DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO NOW, WE SPLIT THE REC CENTER INTO TWO DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.

SO WE HAVE A REC CENTER DIVISION, AND THEN THERE'S A RECREATION DIVISION.

SO THEY ALTHOUGH THEY WORK TOGETHER, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.

SO THERE'S THINGS THAT APPLY TO THE REC DIVISION THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT IS IN THERE AS WELL.

WE ARE STILL CONFIRMING THAT VERBIAGE THAT'S IN THERE WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND LEGAL REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE THINGS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE MISSING THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND? WE'RE PUTTING THOSE INTO PLACE AS WELL.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE AS YOU GO THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHT STUFF.

SO THE THINGS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED BELOW ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON AND STILL GETTING CLARIFICATION ON OR STILL ADDING TO.

BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE CURRENT FORMAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GO INTO PLACE WITH AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE THAT.

SO AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THE DEFINITIONS IS THE FIRST THING HIGHLIGHTED.

IT WAS NOT VERY EXPANSIVE BEFORE.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN, IT'LL GET INTO MORE ABOUT THE PARKS, TALK ABOUT RECREATION STUFF ABOUT OUR STANDARDS OF CARE.

I WILL POINT OUT ONE I MENTIONED, THE RECENT UPDATE, STANDARDS OF CARE IS ONE WE BRING TO COUNCIL EVERY YEAR.

SO EVEN THOUGH THAT SAYS A RECENT UPDATE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION THERE IS IF IT HAS TO BE AN ORDINANCE OR IF IT CAN JUST BE A POLICY.

SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLORE TO WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE CODIFIED BY BEING AN ORDINANCE, OR IF IT CAN BE JUST A SIMPLE POLICY THAT IS REFERENCED WITHIN HERE.

SO EXAMPLE IS WE HAD OUR MASS GATHERING PERMITS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE CHANGING OVER TO A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.

WE DON'T INTEND TO HAVE THE FULL SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IN HERE.

THAT WILL BE SWITCHING OVER TO BEING A POLICY THAT OUTLINES HOW THAT WORKS.

WE'LL REFERENCE IT THAT YOU WILL FOLLOW THE SPECIAL EVENT POLICY THAT'S PUT IN PLACE BY THE CITY.

SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO BRING THIS TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO BRING UP THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CAPTURED AS EVERYTHING WE CAN.

I HAD A QUESTION ON PAGE 22, THE ONE THAT'S 4.1.12, IT'S TALKING ABOUT MINORS AND CHILDREN, AND IT SAID IT'S AN OFFENSE FOR A PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN OR OTHER RESPONSIBLE ADULT CHARGED WITH SUPERVISION TO VIOLATE ANY REGULATION CONTAINED IN THIS CODE.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN IT'S AN OFFENSE? SO BASICALLY THAT'S SAYING THAT THAT APPLIES TO THEM AS WELL.

LIKE IF THEY ARE, IF THEY BREAK ANY OF THE RULES OR REGULATIONS WITHIN LIKE OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, IT'S JUST SPECIFICALLY STATING THAT THEY APPLIED TO THIS AS WELL.

MEANING? SO LIKE IF YOU WERE TO A PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN OR OTHER RESPONSIBLE ADULTS SHALL BE CHARGED WITH THE SUPERVISION OF UNDERNEATH.

SO IT'S SAYING IF YOU BRING YOUR KIDS AND YOUR KIDS AREN'T UNDERSTANDING WHO'S LIKE WHAT? LIKE THE RULES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, THE PARENTS OR LEGAL GUARDIAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE THERE.

SO LOOKING AT LIKE THE REC CENTER SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO USE THE REC CENTER ALTHOUGH THE CHILD MAY MISBEHAVE, IN A WAY IT'S ULTIMATELY THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE A MINOR, IT'S THE PARENT'S RESPONSIBILITY OR GUARDIANS RESPONSIBILITY TO BE OVER THEM.

AND SO THAT MAKES THEM LIABLE FOR THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.

SO IS THERE ANY AGE REQUIREMENT? I MEAN, CAN A PARENT DROP THEIR SEVEN YEAR OLD KID OFF AT THE REC CENTER? I MEAN, IS THERE A MINIMUM AGE.

YOU CAN'T DROP THEM OFF? NO. YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 11 TO BE BY YOURSELF.

11? YES. SO WHAT ABOUT IN THE PARKS? IS THERE ANY AGE REQUIREMENT? THERE'S A CHILD ABANDONMENT LAWS, BUT THOSE WOULD BE STATE PENAL LAWS AND NOT PARKS BOARD.

BUT THIS MAKES THIS MAKES PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN'S ACTIONS.

AND PART OF THE CATCH THERE IS IF THE FAMILY'S OUT THERE AND THEY'VE GOT THEIR DOG RUNNING LOOSE, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMES AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR DOG ON A LEASH. WELL, IT'S NOT MY DOG, IT'S JUNIOR'S DOG, AND JUNIOR IS EIGHT YEARS OLD.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH AN EIGHT YEAR OLD KID AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, RULES AND LAWS.

YEAH. IT MAKES THE PARENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KID'S ACTIONS.

AND THIS IS FOR ALL CITY PARKS.

WHAT'S THAT? THIS IS FOR THE CITY PARKS.

THIS IS ALL CITY. YEAH.

SO FOR 4.1.14 PARKING.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE A TOURNAMENT THAT'S BEING HELD AT [INAUDIBLE], WHICH HAPPENS TO BE MY UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE.

LOOKING AT REVISING THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY OR IT'S ALREADY BEEN? SO THIS IS STATING THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR THEM TO PARK IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BE PARKING AREAS.

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SO LET'S SAY WE HOLD A SPECIAL EVENT IN THE PARK AND WE DESIGNATE THAT PARKING IS OLD KING'S FIELD, RIGHT.

WE CAN PROVIDE THAT SPECIAL PERMISSION TO ALLOW THAT TO TAKE PLACE.

BUT THIS TAKES OUT THE PERMITS THAT WOULD BE A RENTAL AT A PAVILION ON THE WEEKEND THAT DECIDES THEY WANT TO PARK NEXT TO THE PAVILION JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PARK THERE, RIGHT.

IT KIND OF GOES IN LINE WITH THAT.

SO THERE'S EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES, IF YOU WILL, IF YOU GET PRIOR AUTHORIZATION.

BUT IN THE EVENT OF LIKE A TOURNAMENT, YES, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY.

BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER SIDES OF YOU KNOW, BATES IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, RIGHT? WHEN WE PUT THE NEW CULVERT IN THAT CAN'T TAKE THE LOAD OF HAVING VEHICLES ON IT.

SO WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE PARK IN CERTAIN AREAS.

AND SO THOSE SHOULDN'T BE PARKED IN.

SO THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG THE SAME HAND IN HAND.

WE'RE ABLE TO SAY YOU CAN'T PARK HERE, THIS IS NOT A DESIGNATED AREA.

IN THE EVENT THERE IS A SEPARATE AREA THAT IS DEEMED TO BE NECESSARY, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE WITH THE CITY.

THANK YOU. YEP.

SO WHEN WE WERE WHEN WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS, WE LOOKED AT JESSICA AND I AND MEGAN AND JASON ALL LOOKED AT RULES AND REGS FROM OTHER CITIES, OTHER STATES, PARKS, CITIES, RECREATION DEPARTMENTS AND PULLED A LOT FROM THERE.

SO A LOT OF THESE ARE KIND OF TRIED AND TRUE BY THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND CHECKED OUT.

THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR LEGAL OR CITY CITY'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND GET PICKED APART THERE.

YEAH, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN IT TO TRY TO BRING THEM MORE UP TO DATE AND THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE MISSING OR NEED TO BE REVISED.

I SAID SOME THINGS WE REMOVED JUST BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER APPLIED.

BUT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THAT PROCESS.

[INAUDIBLE] WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, THE THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT WITH BOATING IS ONE OF THEM.

YOU KNOW, THE WATER RECREATION.

YEAH. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE.

SO THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS MISSING.

SO LIKE THE MOTORIZED VEHICLE THAT'S A PROBLEM AT THE LAKESIDE.

I MEAN I'VE SEEN GOLF CARTS OUT THERE BUT YEAH.

SO YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT THE POLICE CAN ENFORCE THAT.

AND YEAH, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIKE NEED OR HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

I MEAN, DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PERMIT OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.

SO EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE MOBILITY ISSUES.

IF SOMEBODY HAD A MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIR THAT FALLS IN LINE.

THAT'S NOT THE SAME KIND OF TRANSPORTATION MEAN.

SO, LIKE, WE ONCE ELIMINATED MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIRS FROM BEING PART OF THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ADA COMPLIANT AND ALL THAT.

RIGHT? BUT A GOLF CART WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A MOBILITY ISSUE, RIGHT? YEAH. IF THEY WERE IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEBODY WAS DRIVING ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY LIVED BY AND WHERE THEY'RE COMING UP TO PICK SOMEBODY UP DIFFERENT.

BUT DRIVING ON A DESIGNATED WALKING PATH, THAT IS NOT WHERE THEY WOULD BE.

YEAH. AND 4.1.16 TRAIL USE, IT TALKS ABOUT AN EXCEPTION IS MADE FOR MOTORIZED MOBILITY DEVICES USED BY PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES.

RIGHT. WHERE? UP IN THE DEFINITIONS 3.9.

MOTORIZED MOBILITY DEVICES DESIGNATED FOR TRANSPORTATION OF PERSONS WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES.

I'M JUST SAYING SOMEBODY'S GOING TO SAY THAT'S A GOLF CART.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO.

AND LEGALLY, I THINK THEY CAN GO BACK TO WHAT THE OFFICER WANTS TO ENFORCE.

AGAIN, THE ORDINANCE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, LIKE THIS GIVES THEM THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THINGS BECAUSE THERE IS A RULE AND ORDINANCE BEHIND IT, VERSUS US JUST SAYING.

WELL, WHO SAYS WE CAN'T DO THAT? WELL, THAT'S THIS PERSON.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT JUST GOING OVER THIS REAL QUICK.

I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT ABOVE IT 3.8 MOTOR VEHICLE, THEN MOTORIZED [INAUDIBLE].

AND THE LANGUAGE IT SAYS IS A DEVICE DESIGNED FOR TRANSPORTATION OF PERSONS.

GOLF CART IS NOT DESIGNED FOR A PERSONS WITH PHYSICAL DISABILITIES.

SO THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE VERBIAGE THAT SOLVES ANY.

GOOD POINT. ON THE ISSUE.

YEAH. YEAH. PEOPLE WILL TRY TO SELL IT.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING THEY'LL FIND A LITTLE LOOPHOLE IN THE RULE FOR THE NEEDS OF WHAT THEY WANT.

SO BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS TO HAVE IT IN PLACE SO THAT WAY IT'S ENFORCEABLE, THAT IF IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE MOTORIZED VEHICLES, AS YOU MENTIONED, LIKE GOLF CARTS, THOSE SHOULDN'T BE AT THE PARK. BUT IF IT'S NOT IN THERE CURRENTLY, PD CAN'T GO OUT THERE TO SAY THEY CAN SAY, DON'T DO THIS AND THEY CAN COMPLY.

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WE COVER LIKE DRONES AND KITES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE IN THE AIR.

DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF RULES ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT? DRONES ALREADY HAS HIGHER REGULATIONS.

THEY'RE ALL FEDERAL.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE, THEY'RE TECHNICALLY NOT ALLOWED IN PARKS TO BEGIN WITH.

BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS IT HAS TO BE A PERMIT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FLY A DRONE OVER.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S PEOPLE LIKE IT HAS VERY SPECIFIC TO IT.

LIKE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO FLY A DRONE IN VERY SPECIFIC AREAS.

POPULATED AREAS. YEAH, I THINK IT'S IN PUBLIC SPACES.

YEAH, THERE'S THEY HAVE SOME VERY STRICT RESTRICTIONS ON THERE.

BUT IT'S WEIRD HOW IT'S ALL MANAGED IN THAT ONE.

BUT I'M GOING TO WRITE IT DOWN ANYWAYS.

I THINK I THINK DRONE MIGHT BE A GOOD, GOOD THING TO ADD TO IT BECAUSE.

EVEN KITES I MEAN, I GUESS WE DON'T CARE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO ELECTRICAL.

YEAH, YEAH. GO FLY A KITE IN THE PARK THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH, SURE. BUT YEAH, I THINK I THINK DRONES IS PROBABLY THAT SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT, PROBABLY WORTH ADDING INTO THIS.

YEAH. ARE THERE ANY RULES ABOUT WHO SEEKS PERMITS FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE EVENT PLANNER? YES. SO THE TWOFOLD WITH THAT ONE IS WE HAVE OUR NORMAL RENTAL PROCESS, LET'S SAY IT'S FOR A PAVILION, SO YOU CAN GET A PERMIT FOR A PAVILION TO BE ABLE TO HOST A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THOSE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC RULES AND ARE DESIGNED TO BE WITHIN THE SPACE AND SCOPE OF THEIR RENTAL.

SO IF SOMEBODY RUNS A PAVILION, YOU GET THE PAVILION.

IT IS FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE FOR THE OTHER STUFF.

YOU CAN'T GO AND KICK SOMEBODY OUT.

YOUR PERMIT IS FOR THE CONFINES OF YOUR SPACE THOUGH, BUT THE STEP FURTHER IS DEPENDING ON THE EVENT THERE WILL BE THE NEW SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ANYBODY THAT IS HOSTING AN EVENT WITHIN CITY LIMITS.

SO WHETHER THAT'S AT A PARK OR NOT, THAT ACTUALLY WILL ENCOMPASS THE FULL CITY.

SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A PARADE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO FILL OUT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS AND SEEK APPROVAL TO GET A PARADE DONE IN THERE. OH, REALLY? YEAH. IT'S JUST THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE NOT CLOSING DOWN ROADS WITHOUT SPECIAL PERMISSION.

AND SO SOME OF THEM IS JUST GETTING SOMEBODY TO SIGN OFF ON IT.

BUT IT COVERS FULL CITY WIDE THAT IN THE EVENT SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO HOST SOME KIND OF EVENT THAT IS IN PUBLIC SPACE.

SO A ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU KNOW, THE VFW WANTS TO HOLD THEY'RE HOLDING A DANCE AT THEIR, THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THAT'S THEIR SPACE. RIGHT. BUT IF THEY'RE CLOSING ROADS DOWN THROUGH THE PROCESS, MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO APPLY TO THE PARKS.

BUT THEY WOULD HAVE A THAT IS A FURTHER A MORE EXTENSIVE PROCESS OF WE WOULD GO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FILL OUT THE FULL APPLICATION.

THEY WOULD GO TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT OTHER ADDITIONAL PERMITS THAT ARE NEEDED, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOOD VENDORS OR DOES IT PD NEED TO REVIEW BECAUSE THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN ROADS, IS IT IN A PARK? SO PARKS AND REC NEEDS TO DO IT.

YOU KNOW, DOES IT NEED TO GO TO OUR LEGAL TEAM FOR REVIEW.

SO IT'S A MULTI-STEP PROCESS FOR THAT ONE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THE OLD ONE WAS A MASS GATHERING PERMIT AND THIS ONE'S TO REPLACE THAT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED.

OUT OF CURIOSITY, IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TO THE DRONE ONE THERE ARE SOME WHAT I WANTED TO ASK IS AS FAR AS HAVING ORDINANCES AND STUFF WITH THAT GOES WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ALLOW IT TO BE IN LINE, LIKE IN YOUR, YOUR NOTES ON THIS, THAT IT'S A PERMITTED CIRCUMSTANCE AND MAYBE SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE THERE? BECAUSE IT IS THEY DO ALLOW IT NOW THEY HAVE WE DID A DRONE, REMEMBER WHEN WE TOOK OUR PICTURE, THE WHOLE PARK BOARD AND WE ALL GOT OUT THERE AND THERE WAS A DRONE, SO THEY ALLOWED IT THERE? WELL, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

THE PD DID IT. YEAH.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING I MEAN THERE IS REASONS WHERE IT'S OKAY.

YES.

THERE'S I KNOW THERE'S SOME CLUBS AND STUFF THAT ARE STARTING TO GET TOGETHER AND, AND LOCALLY AND STARTING TO BE HOBBYIST WITH THAT.

I WOULD HATE TO BIAS BECAUSE MY HUSBAND DOES IT TOO.

YEAH. AND HE WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, IF HE WATCHES THIS AND HE GOES, YOU DIDN'T SAY NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT DRONES.

BUT YEAH, IT'S A NEW HOBBY.

BUT HE IS FINDING SOME OTHER LOCALS THAT ARE ENJOYING THAT.

AND AND I'LL TELL YOU JUST.

NO, I'M NOT AGAINST IT.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING I'VE ACTUALLY GAINED APPRECIATION FROM, FROM SOME OF OUR LOCAL HOBBYISTS WITH THE DRONES IS TO ACTUALLY SEE OUR CITY FROM THAT VIEWPOINT.

[00:55:08]

THIS IS REALLY COOL. THIS IS REALLY NEAT, AND IT GIVES A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

SO YEAH, IF WE CAN IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE IT'S LIKE A PERMITTED THING AND ALL THAT, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

WE'LL RESEARCH, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AGAIN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME THINGS THEY ALREADY NIX OUT [INAUDIBLE].

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING.

BUT YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IT'S OVERALL, FROM WHAT I WAS SEEING HERE, IT WAS A ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, IT WAS JUST DEPENDS ON STATE AND LOCAL REGULATIONS.

BUT THEN IT SAYS DRONES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN TEXAS STATE PARKS, A LOT OF PERMITS.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT REAL QUICK.

AND YEAH, I THINK WE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD ISSUE.

WE'LL PUT THAT IN THERE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT PLAY AROUND WITH ROCKETS AND STUFF.

LAUNCH THOSE ROCKETS. YEAH.

MOST OF THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED FIREWORKS OR EXPLOSIVES AND THEY'D BE COVERED.

Y'ALL TOOK THAT OUT, THOUGH. I SAW Y'ALL CROSSED OUT FIREWORKS.

WELL, THOSE WOULD BE ILLEGAL UNDER THE PARK ORDINANCE.

WE CROSSED IT OUT, BUT CITY ORDINANCE ALREADY HAS THAT.

YEAH. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, LIKE DUPLICATES IN THERE.

CITY TRUMPS WHAT OURS IS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE ALL OUR PARKS ARE WITHIN CITY LIMITS.

YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD.

[INAUDIBLE] THIS CAME UP ABOUT IN LAKESIDE PARK.

IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT CONSIDERED VANDALISM IF KIDS DRAW WITH CHALK ON THE WALKWAY OR NOT.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT, BUT I MEAN.

IS IT CONSIDERED VANDALISM? IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED VANDALISM, THOUGH.

WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

AND THAT CAME UP ONE TIME IN A DISCUSSION I SAW ON TALK OF ANGLETON OR SOMETHING, AND I WAS JUST LIKE, WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A POLICY ON THAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS OKAY OR NOT.

MY OLD HOA, THEY HAD IT, YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO PUT CHALK ON THE SIDEWALK SPEAKERS] CAN'T DO IT ON THE SIDEWALK, BUT YOU CAN DO IT IN THE DRIVEWAY.

YEAH. SO OTHER THAN THE DRONES, IS THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE MISSED ON THIS THAT COME TO MIND? AND DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S LIKE THIS IS AN ONGOING THING.

SO PART OF OUR REASON FOR BRINGING IT IS SO TO GET IT BEFORE THE BOARD'S EYES TO SEE WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND THEN BRING IT BACK BEFORE WE GO FOR AN OFFICIAL ADOPTION AND BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL.

BUT WE JUST WANT TO IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.

AS I TALKED BEFORE, WE HAD THREE MEETINGS, AND SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE MAKING A LOT OF MOVEMENT AND OTHER ONES, IT'S LIKE, WOW, WE TOOK 30 MINUTES ON ONE BULLET.

AND SO IT'S JUST MORE TIMES THAT WE GET TO REVIEW THIS, THE THINGS THAT WE POINT OUT, LIKE YOU SAID, THE DRONES.

RIGHT. AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, YOU FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THOSE IN AS WELL, OR SEND THEM TO MEGAN AND I.

AND THEN WE'LL JUST BRING THOSE IN TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

I'M STILL HUNG UP ON PARKING.

I WANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO AS A CITY WHEN I SAY US IS ACTUALLY GIVE THEM SOME OF US SEASONAL PARK PARENTS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME NUMBERED SPOTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE PAY FOR.

IT'S LIKE A LITTLE SEASONAL.

I'M SERIOUS. IT'D BE WORTH IT'D BE WORTH EVERY PENNY SPOT ONE FOR TOURNAMENTS AND ALL YOUR KID'S BALL STUFF.

I WOULD PAY THAT SO FAST.

I REALLY WOULD, BECAUSE TRYING TO PARK OUT THERE AND GET YOUR TENT AND YOUR BAGS AND YOUR KIDDOS AND THEIR BOOM BUZZ AND ALL THIS STUFF, OH.

SO THAT MAY BE A DISCUSSION FOR NOT TO GET TOO FAR OFF, THAT MIGHT BE A DISCUSSION FOR A DIFFERENT DAY.

BECAUSE IN THE WHEN A TOURNAMENT IS GOING ON, THAT IS TECHNICALLY A PARK CLOSURE.

SO AT THAT POINT IT IS MORE UNDER ON THE YEAH. SO THE ASA GROUP WOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF OVER THAT.

SO WE GET THE PERMISSION TO CLOSE THE PARK.

YOU KNOW, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE, OKAY, SO LIKE DICKEY PARK, LIKE WE TELL LIKE DICKEY PARK IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE UTILIZED BY THE TOURNAMENT.

AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, AS SOON AS SOMEBODY SEES A PARKING SPOT, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN IT, RIGHT? BUT THAT SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BECAUSE DICKY PARK IS STILL OPEN AND IT'S STILL ACCESSIBLE, RIGHT? DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE TOURNAMENT.

BUT LIKE BATES IS A CLOSED EVENT, IF YOU WILL.

SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT SIDE, BECAUSE THAT BECOMES A CLOSED EVENT FOR THAT.

[01:00:07]

I MEAN, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THIS LOOKS GOOD.

ARE WE ALL GOOD ON THIS? SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THIS OR? NO, THIS ONE IS JUST.

YEAH, THIS THIS IS JUST BRINGING IT BEFORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY FURTHER TO WHERE WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

YEAH. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY A DISCUSSION TO SEE IF YALL HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE AS FAR AS REVISIONS, CURRENTLY MADE, FORMATS, UPDATES, ALL THAT GOOD.

. A LOT OF THAT GOES BACK TO LIKE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE THEY HANDLE THE FOOD PERMITS.

SO WE REFERENCE THAT AND THAT GOES INTO THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT AND ALL THAT.

SO OKAY. YEAH THAT'S GOOD.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS COMMENTS FEEDBACK? WELL I GUESS I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT LAST THE LAST AGENDA.

THE ONE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN JUNE, I DIDN'T I NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THIS AGENDA.

AND THEN THE ISSUE ABOUT THE PARKING AROUND WAS IT YEAH. THAT STREET.

SO BATES PARK, I CAN TELL YOU THAT ONE IS TYING INTO THE THE REVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE PIECE OF IT.

OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY.

OKAY. WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE PIECE IS LIKE HOW WE PUT THAT INTO PLAY.

OUR GUYS ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITY? LIKE, THE THE PARKS LIKE THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE REVISION IS TACKLING THAT PART FIRST TO SEE IF THAT ALLEVIATES SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

OH, OKAY. YES. OKAY.

YEAH. AND THEN THE WELCH ONE, I CAN GET A FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE.

I THINK THAT ONE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS MORE ABOUT EXPLORING IDEAS OF WHAT THE FUTURE USE OF THAT IS, RIGHT? AND DIDN'T WASN'T CURRENTLY ISN'T A PRIORITY AT THIS TIME.

YEAH. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON FUTURE ONES.

[INAUDIBLE] ARE WE GOING TO BURN IT OR WHAT? I CAN'T SPEAK ON EXACTLY WHAT'S LEFT OUT THERE, BUT THERE WAS A HOPE TO TURN IT INTO THE MULCH PILE TO CREATE AN ACTUAL BURN.

AND KIND OF LIKE, TALK ABOUT, LIKE LAKESIDE IS AT THE ENTRANCE CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF BERM, SO IT DOESN'T IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF ESTHETICS TO IT.

SO THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT ONE.

BERMS, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

NO, THAT'S WHAT WE COULD DO ALONG ENCHANTED THERE AROUND AREA ONE WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT BERMS WOULD BE PERFECT, WHERE YOU JUST CAN'T SEE IN FROM THE OUTSIDE AS MUCH.

THAT WOULD WORK.

WHEELBARROW AT A TIME.

EXPENSIVE WHEELBARROW AT A TIME.

EXPENSIVE? YEAH. YEAH, IT'S JUST THE DIRT SIDE OF IT.

YEAH, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE.

YEAH. SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.

SORRY. WELL, KEEP THINKING.

KEEP THE IDEAS COMING, YOU KNOW? YEAH. I CAN TALK TO YOU TODAY.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

THAT'S IT. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO MEET AGAIN? I MEAN, IS THIS IT FOR THE YEAR? OBVIOUSLY. YEAH.

ARE WE GOING TO MEET MORE THAN TWICE A YEAR? I WOULDN'T, BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE ORDINANCE REVISIONS.

YEAH. I WOULD ENVISION WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE, IF NOT EVERY OTHER MEETING EVERY OTHER MONTH, IT'LL PROBABLY BE AT LEAST QUARTERLY.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT'LL GIVE US AT LEAST 2 OR 3 REVIEWS, AGAIN, OF THE ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO GET IN PLACE.

BUT ONCE THE PARKS BOARD AND RESPONSIBILITIES CHANGED, IT KIND OF LEAVES THE WHEN WE MEET FLUID. SO WE JUST HAVE TO AT LEAST MEET AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE STUFF I WOULD ENVISION WE'D PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FREQUENT THIS TIME, SO.

SO AS CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU CALL A MEETING OR DO YOU GUYS CALL A MEETING OR WHAT'S THE MECHANICS IN THAT? IT REALLY DEPENDS ON IF THERE IS A NEED.

SO IF WE FIND THAT THERE IS A TOPIC THAT SHOULD BE AND NEED TO BE DISCUSSED, WE CAN CALL A MEETING AND WE CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AT ANY POINT.

OKAY. AND WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW WITHIN MAKING SURE THAT WE MEET OUR, OUR STANDARD OF OUR REQUIREMENT OF TWO A YEAR.

THEN WE HAVE TO MEET AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR.

WHEN THOSE AREN'T MEETING, THEY REALLY COULD FALL BACK TO BACK MONTHS.

BUT IN THE EVENT THAT IF SOMETHING CAME UP THAT NEEDED THE BOARD'S INPUT OR THE BOARD FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED OURS THEY COULD REQUEST TO HAVE THAT.

WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE TIMELINE OF PUTTING [INAUDIBLE] TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 72 HOURS NOTICE AND ALL THAT, BUT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

[01:05:05]

COOL. YEP. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S IT. I GUESS WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING 1:05 [INAUDIBLE].

ALL RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.