Feb 03, 2025 Senior Citizens Commission

OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A QUORUM. IT IS 11:30 ON

[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER ]

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CALLING TO ORDER. THANKS. FIRST AGENDA ITEM. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF THE

[1. Discussion and possible action on the minutes of the Senior Citizens Commission meeting of June 3, 2024. ]

YOU CAN LOOK OVER THOSE. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM JUNE THE 3, 2024.

I'LL SECOND THAT. MAY I MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT? ABOUT THE MINUTES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. THE DATE ON THESE MINUTES IS JUNE 3RD.

IT HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS. OH. ALMOST SEVEN. ANYWAY, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE HAD A MEETING, AND I THINK IN THE FUTURE. YEAH, INSTEAD OF JUST CANCELING THAT MONTH, WHICH REALLY CANCELS TWO MONTHS, THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO HAVE A MEETING IN THE MONTH THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO JUST RESCHEDULE IT SOMEWHERE, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ON A MONDAY.

YOU GET TOGETHER AND FIND OUT WHEN YOU CAN GET A QUORUM AND YOU HAVE THE MEETING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WENT ON IN JUNE. I UNDERSTAND I CAN READ YOUR MINUTES AND YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.

GREAT. BUT RIGHT. AND WE HAVE OUR MEETING SCHEDULED TO EVERY OTHER MONTH.

IT'S JUST WE BRING WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING AS TO THERE ARE AGENDA ITEMS, WHETHER THEY ARE BROUGHT UP BY BOARD MEMBERS OR THEY'RE BROUGHT UP BY STAFF SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE.

BECAUSE ANYTIME YOU CANCEL, YOU'RE CANCELING NOT FOR ONE MONTH, BUT FOR TWO.

THIS IS SIX MONTHS AGO. THE MEETINGS WERE CANCELED AT LEAST TWICE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

HOW DO WE KNOW? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF URGENT BUSINESS, BUT, YOU KNOW.

IF THERE WAS BUSINESS THAT SHE NEEDED TO CONDUCT, SHE WOULD HAVE CALLED A MEETING IN BETWEEN TIME.

WELL, JUST COMMIT TO THAT BECAUSE THEY AND WE HAVE WE DID THAT LAST WHEN WE HAD THE SENIOR TRIP PROPOSED SCHEDULE AND THE BUDGET. WE DID HAVE AN EMERGENCY OR A SPECIAL MEETING OUTSIDE OF OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE BECAUSE IT NEEDED TO BE DISCUSSED, WHICH WAS, I BELIEVE HAPPENED IN JUNE. SO BUT WE WILL WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO.

YEAH. MAINTAIN BECAUSE WE'RE ANYTHING THAT WENT ON IN JUNE IS NOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IN THE SIX MONTHS SINCE JUNE. CORRECT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT ON SINCE THEN.

I WASN'T TOLD ANYTHING. AND WE'LL GO OVER SOME UPDATES THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE JUNE IN A LATER AGENDA ITEM.

SO WE'LL CATCH YOU UP. OKAY. NOW WHERE WERE WE? [LAUGHTER] WE HAD. IT'S BEEN VOTED AND SECONDED.

OKAY. EVERYBODY ACCEPTING IT. YES. YES. AYE. OPPOSED? OPPOSED? THAT MOTION AGENDA PASSES. NOT AGENDA, MINUTES.

MINUTES. SORRY. OKAY. SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

[2. Discussion on Cost Recovery Policy proposed updates ]

OKAY. SO WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU GUYS TO TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT COST RECOVERY POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, AND ALSO PREDOMINANTLY HOW IT RELATES TO SHOULD WE CLOSE THAT DOOR.

HOW IT RELATES TO SENIOR PROGRAMS. SO BACK IN 2020 OR REALLY 2019, A STUDY WAS DONE TO TALK ABOUT COST RECOVERY FOR PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS. IN 2020, A POLICY WAS PASSED. AND ALSO WHAT IT CONSIDERS IS HOW MUCH THAT WE SPEND ON THOSE PROGRAMS AND WHAT WE GET BACK IN REVENUE ON THE PARTICIPANT, AS WELL AS WHAT OUR FUNDING BOARD ANGLETON BETTER LIVING.

THE ABLC BOARD SUBSIDIZES. SO HOW MUCH THEY PLAN TO COVER IN THOSE EXPENDITURES VERSUS HOW MUCH MONEY WE BRING IN IN REVENUE.

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SO MEANING THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A FULL RETURN OF REVENUE COVERING THE WHOLE PROGRAMS, PARTICULARLY ON DIRECT COSTS. SO DIRECT COSTS, MEANING TICKET SALE PRICES FOR PEOPLE TO GO ON THE TRIPS THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS, HOTELS, IF THEY GO ON A TRIP, THEY PAY FOR THEIR HOTEL AT A FLAT RATE.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S CONSIDERED AS AN INDIRECT COST.

I NDIRECT COSTS ARE WOULD BE VICKI'S SALARY WOULD BE BENEFITS WOULD BE OVERHEAD CHARGES, WHICH INCLUDES RENTAL SPACES, ENTERTAINMENT OR CONTRACT WORKERS FUEL FOR THE BUS, MAINTENANCE FOR THE BUS.

THOSE COSTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY CONSIDERED. IN THE AUGUST 2024 COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A WORKSHOP DONE ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION, COST RECOVERY AND WHERE OUR POLICY STOOD.

A RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL WAS THAT WE CONSIDER INDIRECT COSTS AS WELL AS DIRECT COSTS FOR ALL RECREATION PROGRAMING. SO WE COME TO YOU TODAY WITH OUR PROPOSED UPDATES FOR COST RECOVERY.

IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE THE CURRENT PROPOSED.

AND THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT. IT CONTAINS UPDATES TO OUR CURRENT COST RECOVERY POLICY.

IT'S GOT SOME INFORMATION ON IT. BUT IF YOU GO TO PAGE TEN, WHICH HAS THE COLORFUL PYRAMID ON IT.

WE'RE ONLY GOING TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT SENIOR PROGRAMS, SO WE DON'T GET KIND OF LOST IN ALL OF THE RECREATION PROGRAMS UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

BUT LOOKING AT THIS PYRAMID, WE HAVE MOSTLY DEFINED SENIOR PROGRAMING AS MOSTLY COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY BENEFIT. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS ON THE MOSTLY COMMUNITY BENEFIT, 0% COST RECOVERY PLUS, AND THAT WOULD BE THE FREE PROGRAMS THAT WE CURRENTLY OFFER SUCH AS THE CHRISTMAS PARTY, SUCH AS BINGO GAMES, TUESDAY PROGRAMING. THOSE THINGS ARE CURRENTLY OFFERED FREE OF CHARGE DESPITE THAT, WE DO HAVE SOME EXPENDITURES. AND I WILL SHOW YOU THOSE EXPENDITURES HERE IN A MINUTE AS THEY'RE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

BUT THOSE CURRENTLY COME IN AT 0% COST RECOVERY.

AND WE CALL THEM MOSTLY COMMUNITY BENEFIT BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN TO ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY SENIORS.

THERE'S NOT A LIMIT REALLY. THEY HAVE A BIGGER PARTICIPATION MAXIMUM THAT CAN COME IN.

SO THE CHRISTMAS PARTY, WE TYPICALLY SERVE TEN TO SERVE OR PLAN TO SERVE ABOUT 100 PEOPLE.

SENIOR PROGRAMS. SHE PLANS FOR ABOUT 25 TO 30 INDIVIDUALS TO COME IN FOR SENIOR PROGRAMS, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T KNOW.

IT'S USUALLY A DROP IN, SO WE PLAN AHEAD. WE DON'T TURN ANYONE AWAY.

THOSE ARE FOOD LIKE SNACKS, BREAKFASTS, LUNCHES, PRIZES FOR BINGO.

LUNCH BUNCH CURRENTLY. YOU GUYS HAD VOTED TO NOT HAVE A RETURN ON THE COST FOR GAS, SO WE REMOVED THAT AT A SENIOR COMMISSION MEETING, I BELIEVE, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

SO THAT IS WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT SENIOR COMMISSION OR SENIOR PROGRAMS CURRENTLY FALLS FOR COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

SENIOR TRIPS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT WE, THE 25% WOULD STILL INCLUDE THOSE DIRECT COST FOR TICKETS. MAYBE NOT CONSIDERING VICKI'S SALARY AS WELL AS THE OVERHEAD THAT WE'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT KEEPING THAT, BECAUSE OUR TRIPS CURRENTLY TAKE ABOUT 20 PEOPLE AT A TIME WITH VICKI AS A DRIVER, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY WITH THE DECISION PACKAGE BEING PASSED, TO TAKE A SECOND BUS.

IT'S JUST FIGHTING THE SECOND DRIVER. THAT ALWAYS POSES TO BE THE PROBLEM.

SINCE WE HAVE FEW DRIVERS ON OUR LIST THAT WE CAN CONTACT, BUT SCHEDULING CONFLICTS SUCH AS THEY HAVE OTHER JOBS, OR THEY ONLY TRAVEL DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY BECAUSE OF THOSE OTHER JOBS OR SCHEDULING CONFLICTS THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CONSISTENTLY USE THEM.

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SO STAFF THAT ARE CURRENTLY FULL TIME CAN UTILIZE AND DRIVE THE VEHICLE.

WE JUST HAVE NOT OBTAINED THAT YET WITH OUR ENTERPRISE FLEET.

SO THAT IS THE UPDATES ON THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

ALSO THE INCREASE WOULD BE ON CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

OUR CURRENT COST RECOVERY IS 20%. WE'VE INCREASED THAT TO 25%.

AND TO SHOW Y'ALL KIND OF HOW MUCH THINGS COST AND WHERE THEY FALL, YOU WILL SEE IN YOUR PACKET THE FORMULA THAT WE HAVE OBTAINED. WE DID SOME RESEARCH FROM OTHER PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES, AND THIS ONE WAS THE EASIEST FOR STAFF TO UTILIZE AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PLUG NUMBERS IN AND REALLY KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE EXPENDITURES ON WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.

SO THE FIRST PAGE THAT YOU HAVE IS A BLANK THAT'S PAGE 13.

IT IS A BLANK FORMULA. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE.

I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU A BLANK ONE SO YOU ALL COULD SEE WHAT THE ORIGINAL FORMULA LOOKS LIKE.

GOING TO PAGE 14. THIS IS SILVER HEARTS TUESDAY FOR ONE MONTH.

SO BINGO, SNACKS OR BREAKFAST ANY SUPPLIES THAT YOU MAY UTILIZE.

WE HAD HER PUTTING IN HER RATE OF HOW MUCH THAT SHE FOR THE TUESDAY PROGRAM AND THEN FOR SHOPPING AND PREPPING.

SO HER GOING OUT INTO THE AND GETTING THOSE THINGS ONE SECOND, WE CAN GET RIGHT BACK TO YOU.

AND THEN UNDERNEATH THAT AT E YOU WILL SEE THE COST OF SUPPLIES FOR ONE MONTH.

SO PRIZES FOR BINGO FOR BUNCO. SHE DOES A HOT DOG LUNCH ONCE A MONTH THAT'S FREE.

AND THEN BREAKFAST ITEMS. AND THEN WE CONSIDERED IN THE COST OF THE ROOM.

RIGHT NOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN A ROUGH DRAFT AREA KIND OF THAT WE BECAUSE DO WE REALLY WE NEED TO LOOK AND SEE.

DO WE REALLY GET RENTALS DURING THAT TIME. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RECOVER.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AS A STAFF. ALSO TO TAKE BACK FROM YOU GUYS AS FEEDBACK.

AT THE TOP YOU WILL SEE WHERE IT SAYS SALARIES, FULL, BENEFITS CONSIDERS AND 31% OF BENEFITS FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND THEN SUPPLIES MATERIAL. THE NEWSLETTER PLAYBOOK COSTS THAT IS FOR OUR ADVERTISING METHODS TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS CURRENTLY SINCE WE DO A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER THAT WE PAY FOR THE COST OF CREATION.

AND SO THE TOTAL FOR A MONTH OF SENIOR PROGRAMS COMES OUT TO ABOUT $1,848.

AND SO IN THE BLOCK THAT SAYS K1 THROUGH J, K1 SAYS ENTER AN EXPECTED NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS WE PUT IN 24, SINCE WE AVERAGE ABOUT 20, OR 24 PARTICIPANTS ON A REGULAR TUESDAY.

I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE PUT IT FOR THE MONTH. MY APOLOGIES.

SO WE AVERAGE OUT ABOUT 20 ABOUT 100% COST RECOVERY.

IT SAYS SOMETHING I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT IT FOR THE PARTICIPANTS FOR THE MONTH. SO EVEN IF WE DIVIDE THAT 77 DIVIDED BY 4 THAT COMES OUT TO.

JUST UNDER 20. UNDER $20 FOR THE MONTH FOR EACH PERSON.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE CONSIDERING ASKING ABLC KEEPING THAT ONE AT 100% OR 0% COST RECOVERY THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT ABLC WOULD SUBSIDIZE.

IF Y'ALL WERE TO SAY, WELL, IF OR IF ABLC OR COUNCIL WAS TO CONSIDER AS BRINGING IN A RETURN OF REVENUE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE RECOVERY OF 25%, 50%, 75% OF WHAT WE WOULD PUT ON THE PARTICIPANT.

AND THEN THE SUBSIDY WOULD BE WHAT ABLC SUBSIDIZES.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. QUESTIONS NOW? OH, ALSO TWO IN YOUR PACKET THAT IS SENIOR SILVER HEART'S TUESDAY.

THE NEXT PAGE IS THE SILVER HEART'S CHRISTMAS PARTY WHICH HAS A SUBTOTAL ABOUT $4,400.

AND WE PUT IT AT ABOUT 80 PARTICIPANTS THAT WE AVERAGE 100% COST RECOVERY IS ABOUT $55 PER PERSON.

BUT THAT IS ALL THINGS CONSIDERING TOO. AND THEN THE LAST PAGE ON THAT ONE IS A SHOWMAN'S MOVIE GIRL TRIP.

THIS IS FOR TRIPS. CURRENTLY WE CHARGE ABOUT $6 A PERSON THAT COVERS THE COST OF THEIR TICKET.

AND THEN THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN LUNCH. BUT WE FACTORED IN THE TRANSPORTATION OF THE BUS, THE LUNCH FIX PER DIEM FOR LUNCH,

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ANY QUESTIONS? OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR JASON .

ARCHIE YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS MOSTLY INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CHARGE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PART OF THE PROGRAM, 150%.

WELL, THAT'S NOT FOR SENIOR PROGRAMS. THAT IS FOR SO TIER FIVE WOULD BE AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

TIER FIVE INCLUDES LIKE ADULT LEAGUES, FACILITY RENTALS, ADULT SWIM LESSONS.

THAT'S WHAT THOSE PROGRAMS WOULD FALL UNDER. SENIOR PROGRAMS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM TWO TIERS.

YEAH. BUT YOU'RE STILL CONTROLLING THE SENIOR PROGRAM IS STILL CONTROLLING THOSE EVENTS.

CORRECT? NO. YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE A 150% TO SOMEBODY.

NO NO, NO. WE'RE ONLY INTO THESE TWO CATEGORIES FOR SENIOR PROGRAMING.

WELL. MOSTLY THIS ONE. THIS IS FOR THIS TIER WOULD BE FOR THESE EVENTS.

YEAH. BUT I STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF PROBLEM WITH THE 150%.

THE YOU CAN CHARGE SOMEBODY A 100%. THIS IS JUST I DON'T MIND CHARGING SOMEBODY FROM LAKE JACKSON OR CLUTE 150%, BUT I DON'T WANT TO CHARGE OUR PEOPLE 100% BECAUSE 150%. AND WE'RE COVERING EVENTS WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP FROM LAKE JACKSON. SO SOME OF THAT I WILL SAY, ARCHIE, LIKE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN THAT COMES WITH THAT.

AND SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING FOR OUTSIDE OF COST RECOVERY IS THE CITY IS ACTUALLY UNDER A FEE SCHEDULE REVISEMENT.

AND THAT IS LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE RESIDENCY.

AND SO OTHER RESIDENT NON RESIDENTS OR THE REC CENTERS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT BASED ON GENERAL FUND GENERAL FUND MONEY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE MEMBER NON MEMBER.

BUT AS A BUSINESS STRATEGY, THE WAY TO HELP SUPPORT OTHER PROGRAMS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME PROGRAMS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE UP SOME OF THOSE COSTS TO COVER SOME OF YOUR LOWER PROGRAMS. I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER THAT BOTHERS ME IS 150 CHARGING SOMEBODY 100% THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO CHARGE THEM 100%. THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO ME.

BUT CHARGING SOMEBODY SOMEHOW GETTING 150% OUT OF THE LITTLE OLD LADY WHO RIDES THE BUS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST. [LAUGHTER] BUT A LITTLE OLD LADY THAT RIDES THE BUS IS NOT GOING TO JOIN.

PROBABLY NOT GOING TO JOIN AN ADULT LEAGUE OR DO AN ADULT SWIM LESSON.

YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT AN ADULT LEAGUE. THAT'S PART IT'S NOT AN ADULT LEAGUE.

NO. VOLLEYBALL IS CONSIDERED ONE OF OUR SENIOR PROGRAMS. AND THAT'S DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM. WE'RE NOT CHARGING.

BUT IT IS TRULY ONES THAT ARE LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT THAT THEY RECEIVE FROM IT.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND BY UTILIZING THAT 150% IS IT MAKES THE OTHER COSTS COME DOWN.

SO IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR A SUBSIDY TO GO TO SENIOR PROGRAMS IF WE KNOW WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THAT BACK.

WHEREAS THE STRUGGLE COMES IN, IF YOU ONLY GO UP TO 100%, YOU'RE NOT MAKING EXTRA TO FEED INTO THE OTHER PROGRAMS. AND SO WHAT YOU COULD SEE HAPPEN IS THE LOWER TIER SUBSIDIES ARE NO LONGER 0%.

THEY JUMP INTO THE 25, 50% CATEGORY. AND SO THAT'S WHERE 150% COMES IN, IS THAT IT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT LIKE FACILITY RENTALS.

A FACILITY RENTAL ISN'T JUST ONE PERSON, [INAUDIBLE] ONE PERSON COULD HAVE A ROOM BY THEMSELVES, BUT IT'S CAPTURING EVERYBODY THAT TAKES PART INTO THAT VERSUS THE OTHER THING OF IF IT WAS, WE OFFER PERSONAL TRAINING. THAT IS A ONE ON ONE THING THAT HAS NO CORRELATION, THAT NECESSARILY GIVES BACK TO ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT GO WITH THAT.

OKAY. AND I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE ACCOUNTING HERE.

THE YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE CALLING THESE SALARY THINGS ON THESE ACTIVITIES,

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YOU'RE CHARGING THEM TWICE, SO TO SPEAK. ALTHOUGH I AGREE WITH YOU, ARCHIE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SIDE OF THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS THE EXAMPLE THAT WE USE IS THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF ME.

STAFFING HOURS IS DICTATED TO HOW MUCH THEY INVEST TO THAT, WHETHER PER WEEK, PER MONTH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

OUR COST RECOVERY IS BASED ON THE HOLISTIC APPROACH.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET FOR SOLELY THE RECREATION DIVISION, THAT COST IS ABOUT $500,000 OF EXPENSES.

OKAY. THE REVENUE BROUGHT IN FOR REC DIVISION CURRENTLY SITS AT ABOUT 66,000.

AND SO WE'RE JUST OVER 10% COST RECOVERY FOR THE ENTIRE THING.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT DIFFERENTIATION COMES IN IS WHEN YOU DON'T FACTOR IN INDIRECT COSTS BECAUSE YOU'RE CORRECT, THAT PERSON IS ALREADY GOING TO BE THERE. BUT THEIR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO PROGRAM AND PROVIDE FOR THAT.

SO YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT COST RATIO BENEFIT THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT, THEY HAVE TO BE THERE IF I'M GOING TO USE VICKI, SORRY USE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE, IF VICKI DOES NOTHING IN HER OFFICE AND JUST SITS THERE, SHE IS NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO THE CITY.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING. IS IT LOOKS TO ME BOOK WISE, THAT YOU'VE CHARGED FOR SALARY ON THE FIRST ACTIVITY AND A SALARY ON THE SECOND ACTIVITY, AND SO ON.

AND TO ME, YOU OUGHT TO JUST CHARGE THAT WHATEVER IT IS, A DAY.

IF IT'S I'M JUST IF IT COSTS YOU $1,000 A DAY FOR SALARIES, THEN WE OUGHT TO BE COUNTING $1,000 A DAY. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH OF THE PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED.

IT'S AN ACTIVITY THAT'S TAKING PLACE THAT DAY.

IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, ALL OF YOUR STAFF IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY, SO YOU MAY BE SHORTCUTTING YOURSELF BY ONLY CHARGING WHAT WAS IT, $21. BUT SO THAT IS THE DEDICATED TIME.

SO LIKE IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT ACCOUNT TO ADD IT UP, RIGHT.

SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT VICKI ONLY DOES.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT INCLUDE MYSELF, VICKI AND JERRY.

AND WE PUT ALL THOSE NUMBERS IN THERE. SO EACH PROGRAM WILL DIFFER BASED ON THAT VERY SPECIFIC THING TO WHERE SUMMER CAMP IS.

EXAMPLE, IF VICKI IS DRIVING A BUS FOR SUMMER CAMP, VICKI 'S SALARY NOW GETS EQUATED INTO HOW LONG SHE SUPPORTS DRIVING THAT BUS.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE SUMMER CAMP FOR VICKI 'S STUFF THAT IS SPENT OUTSIDE OF THAT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TOTAL IN THERE.

ADDITIONAL TO THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, WE'VE ALSO ADDED THAT 31% BENEFITS THAT COMES INTO IT.

SO IT TAKES INTO THINGS ACCOUNT OF THEIR INSURANCE, THE FICA, THE RETIREMENT LONGEVITY PAY THAT'S TRYING TO RECAPTURE SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO FURTHER ADD INTO THERE. AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OUR DIRECT COSTS THAT ARE THE FRONT DESK.

FRONT DESK PLAYS A CRUCIAL ROLE IN DOING MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION OR DOING PROGRAM REGISTRATION, ANSWERING THE PHONES, GREETING PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME IN.

WE PUT OTHER STAFF THAT HELP SUPPORT HERE AND THERE, AND SO IT'S TRYING TO CAPTURE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, REALIZING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET EVERYTHING TO A T, BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO APPROACH IT TO SAY, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST OF THIS PROGRAM, TO KNOW IF IT MEETS THAT BENEFIT SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE IMPACT ACROSS THE BUDGET, OR IS IF WE PUT A PROGRAM IN HERE AND IT WAS LIKE, HEY, IT COSTS $1,000 PER PERSON TO DO THIS AND WE'RE MAKING A DOLLAR OFF OF IT.

COUNCIL MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT PAYING $1,000 FOR 20 PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING WHEN WE'RE MAKING $20.

AND SO THIS IS JUST A FORMULA TO HELP SHOW WHAT THOSE COSTS RECOVERIES WOULD BE, AND HELP THEM FORMULATE WHAT IS REALISTIC TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO RETURN THAT.

I UNDERSTAND. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.

OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND FOR US, IT WAS WE WANTED TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD AS A DISCUSSION, BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK TO PROVIDE BACK AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

AS JERRY MENTIONED, OUR PREVIOUS COST RECOVERY MODEL WAS SIMPLY DIRECT COSTS.

SO WE WEREN'T CAPTURING THE THINGS OUTSIDE OF REALLY JUST SUPPLIES OR THE TICKET COSTS THAT COME WITH IT.

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VERSUS. WELL, VICKI'S TIME IS INCLUDED IN THERE.

WHAT IS THE COST OF THE ROOM THAT COULD BE IN THERE? WHAT IS HER TIME SPENT OUTSIDE PLANNING TO GO GET THOSE THINGS? AND SO IT'S TRYING TO CAPTURE ALL THAT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST RETURN ON INVESTMENT, AND WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO SUPPORT THE FULL PROGRAMS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T CHARGING TWICE.

[LAUGHTER] SO WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING TIME TO LISTEN.

DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JERRY? IT'S A LOT. SO ON THE DAY TRIPS AND THE OVERNIGHT TRIPS, THEN IF THIS PROPOSAL GOES THROUGH, YOU'LL BE INCREASING THE COST TO LESS THAN. I MEAN, IT WON'T BE A DIRECT COST ANYMORE.

IT WILL BE THE 25% MORE. IS THAT THE WAY THAT WE'RE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? POTENTIALLY, YES. IS FINDING A MINIMAL WAY TO DO THAT.

WE WILL BE BRINGING UP ALTERNATE IDEAS THAT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO A 25%.

SO EXAMPLE WOULD BE MAYBE IT'S A BUS FEE TO WHERE EVERY TIME THE BUS IS UTILIZED, YOU MIGHT PAY A $2 COST TO HELP RECOVER THE MAINTENANCE, THE GAS, THE BUS DRIVER, KIND OF THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLORE A FEW DIFFERENT AVENUES.

NOT TRYING TO JUST GET SET IN STONE WITH ONE.

WE JUST WANT TO PRESENT TO THEM WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND IF THEY'RE LIKE, WOW, THAT NUMBER IS MORE THAN WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.

WELL, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE SOME OF THEM? AND JUST BE ABLE TO HAVE A FEW ALTERNATIVES.

BUT CURRENTLY, YES, IT'S AT THAT 25%. SO A LITTLE HISTORY.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THEY WERE FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE CITY COUNCIL OR WHO SAID, BUT WE HAD LUNCH BUNCHES EVERY MONTH AND THEY WENT FROM NO FEE TO WANTING TO CHARGE 4 OR $5. MAYBE IT WAS ONLY $3 FOR JUST THE BUS RIDE.

AND SOME OF US ACTUALLY WENT TO CITY HALL AND WE GOT CITY HALL TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO YOU KNOW, THE BIG THE BIG THING WAS WE WERE JUST GOING IN TOWN AND THEY WANTED TO CHARGE US $3 FOR A BUS RIDE FOR SIX BLOCKS. BE THANKFUL YOU'RE NOT IN LAKE JACKSON.

THEY CHARGE $15 JUST TO GO IN TOWN. I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH LAKE JACKSON.

BUT ANYWAY, WE ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF ANGLETON.

SO IF WE TRY, LIKE OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE A FEE THAT WAS A COST TRAVELING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

YEAH. IF YOU GO TO PEARLAND. YES. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHARGING FOR IT.

BUT THAT PARTICULAR ONE KIND OF HIT A COUPLE OF US BECAUSE FOR THAT THREE MONTH PERIOD, WE WERE GOING THEY WERE GETTING CHARGES, $3, AND WE WERE GOING TO TWO PLACES IN ANGLETON AND THAT.

OH, AND YEAH, WE COMPLETELY AGREE. WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF ALL THE THINGS.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED IF IT'S WE LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT PITCHING THAT IT'S OUTSIDE ANGLETON OR IS IT A CERTAIN RADIUS FROM THE REC CENTER BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE CENTRAL POINT THAT THEY GO FROM. BUT IN REALITY, ALL IN ALL IS THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH DOING EVERYTHING.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, COSTS HAVE NOT COME DOWN AND COSTS ONLY CONTINUE TO INCREASE.

JUST THIS PAST YEAR, OUR COST FOR BUS DRIVERS JUMPED AS WELL.

SO WE'RE PAYING MORE JUST TO HAVE SOMEBODY EXTERNAL DRIVE THE BUS.

NOT TO MENTION GAS OR AN AGING BUS THAT'S HOPEFULLY KNOCK ON WOOD, GOING TO CONTINUE TO KEEP GOING.

AND SO THERE'S. WELL, THERE ARE TIMES THAT LIKE WHEN YOU'RE GOING ON A DEAL AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO DOWNTOWN. WELL, I'LL GET IN MY CAR AND DRIVE DOWN THERE AND JUST MEET YOU THERE.

YEP. AND SO I'M NOT EVEN CONTRIBUTING TO THE GAS USAGE OF GAS BECAUSE I'M USING MY OWN GAS.

SO AND AS YOU SHOULDN'T LIKE THAT LIKE THAT SHOULDN'T BE A REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S WHERE IT'S A SIDE [INAUDIBLE]. IT GETS ADDED ON TO BE A BUS FEE.

THAT WOULD DIFFER THAT IF SOMEBODY IS DRIVING THEMSELVES, THEY WOULD INCUR A BUS FEE BECAUSE THEY WOULD ONLY BE PARTICIPANTS THAT ARE GOING ON THE BUS. YEAH. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. THE PROPOSED UPDATES.

WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU PROPOSING TO UPDATE FROM THE PRIOR VERSION OF THIS? I UNDERSTAND THE WORKSHEET AND ALL THAT, BUT HOW IS IS IT COLOR CODED TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCES FROM THE PRIOR ONE, OR IS THIS A COMPLETELY NEW MODEL? SO THE MODEL IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE PREVIOUS ONE.

I MEAN THE FIRST MODEL YOU SEE IS IDENTICAL TO THAT.

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SO WE'RE FORMULATING A NEW WAY OF DOING THAT, TO ADD INDIRECT COSTS BEFORE WE DID NOT.

AND THEN THE SPREADSHEET YOU SEE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE AS A METHOD TO FORMULATE THOSE NUMBERS OF WHAT THEY WOULD BE.

SO REALLY THE BIGGEST UPDATE IS JUST THAT, THAT IT'S GOING TO SWITCHING IT OVER FROM A DIRECT COST TO AN INDIRECT COST TO TRY TO GET A MORE FULL PICTURE OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PROGRAM EVENTS OFFERING.

AND THEN THAT 25% ONE IS AN ADJUSTMENT AS WELL.

SO UPDATING THE TIERS AS FAR AS THE 25 PLUS AND THE CATEGORIES, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE PRETTY MINOR.

COULD I ASK A QUESTION. YEAH. YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO GO UP ABOUT 25% ON SENIOR CITIZENS.

THAT WOULD JUST BE ON TRIPS. AND IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY GO UP 25%, IT WOULD JUST FACTOR IN ADDITIONAL COSTS.

SO LIKE IF WE GO TO A TRIP THAT IS AN OVERNIGHT TRIP, THERE IS ALREADY A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND SO THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT OF WHAT IS THE TRIP COST OF IF MY HOTEL ROOM.

RIGHT. SO IF I GET THE HOTEL ROOM, THAT'S ALREADY A COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED AS A RETURN TO BRING THAT BACK.

THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT MAY COME WITH TO COVER THE BUS, TO COVER STAFF, TO COVER THOSE.

SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN A 25% INCREASE FROM THERE.

IT WOULD JUST MEAN A 25% COST. BUT A LOT OF IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT PROGRAM IS AND THAT OVERALL COST OF THAT PROGRAM IS.

SO EACH ONE WILL DIFFER BECAUSE A PROGRAM THAT COSTS YOU IN TOTAL $500 VERSUS A PROGRAM THAT COSTS YOU $2,500 IS A BIG RANGE. SO. AND IS THIS THESE PROPOSED UPDATES IS THIS JUST FOR THE SENIOR PROGRAM? IS THIS AN EXPLANATION OR IS THIS IS THE WHOLE ENTIRE OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OUR COST RECOVERY MODEL FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

OKAY. SO ARE YOU ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS AND OR YOU'RE JUST JUST.

YES. OKAY, OKAY. JUST DISCUSS IT. OKAY. MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PASS ALONG.

OKAY. BUT Y'ALL DO NOT HAVE TO APPROVE IT. OKAY.

JUST WANTED TO BRING.

WE WILL BE TAKING THIS TO PARK'S BOARD NEXT FOR THEM TO LOOK AT AND JUST PUT THEIR EYES ON BECAUSE THEY APPROVE ALL POLICIES THAT GO WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO ABLC FOR THEM TO GET THE APPROVAL ON IT, BECAUSE IT RELATES TO COST.

AND THEN WE'LL EVENTUALLY GO TO COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL FOR THEM TO OFFICIALLY APPROVE AND GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND PUT THEIR STAMP OF APPROVAL.

JUST AS A THOUGHT BACK WHEN I WAS DOING THE SENIOR PROGRAMING, WHEN WE WERE DOING IT, WE WERE CHARGING A GAS FEE, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO GO BACK AND PUT THAT AS THE FEE THAT YOU'RE CHARGING NOW, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY THAT WENT ON OUR TRIPS HAD A PROBLEM WITH PAYING THE GAS FEE. BUT IF YOU GO IN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO JUST ARBITRARILY CHARGE YOU 25% MORE NOW ON THESE TRIPS WITHOUT ASSOCIATING. I KNOW YOU SAID BUZZFEED, BUT SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN IDEA.

ABSOLUTELY IT IS. AND REALLY, WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.

ABSOLUTELY. PERSONALLY, WE DON'T ENVISION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE HOW SENIORS CURRENTLY OPERATE UNLESS IT IS SOMETHING TO GO MORE VERY DIRECT COST LIKE THAT, LIKE, HEY, THE COST OF A BUS AND THE COST OF GAS AND THE COST OF A PERSON IS ADDING UP.

WE'VE GOT TO FIND STRATEGIC WAYS ON THAT. MAYBE THEY GO THAT ROUTE AND VERSUS THE PROGRAMING ROUTE.

BUT I THINK THE BIG THING IS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL PROGRAMS IS TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT TO FIND A MODEL TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR COST RECOVERY.

AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET OUR FULL EXPENDITURES FOR THE DEPARTMENT? IT'S NOT JUST LIKE ONE SPECIFIC PROGRAM. SO BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PASS THAT ALONG AS A RECOMMENDATION OF.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? ITEM NUMBER THREE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ALTERNATIVE TRIP

[3. Discussion and possible action on an alternative trip option for the 2024 October – 2025 September Senior Lunch & Trip Plan ]

OKAY, SO AT THE YOU'RE FINE. AT THE JUNE 3RD, 2024 MEETING, YOU GUYS THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE PROPOSED OCTOBER 2024 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 25TH SENIOR LUNCHEON TRIP PLAN AS IT WAS

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THE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED INCLUDED TWO APPROVED ALTERNATIVE TRIP OPTIONS.

THOSE INCLUDED GOING TO C CENTER OR GOING TO BROOKWOOD GIFTS AND GARDEN CENTER IN BERKSHIRE.

WHEN THOSE ARE BOTH FREE TRIPS AS PLANNED. BUT WE COME TO YOU TODAY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A THIRD OPTION TO CONSIDER.

VICKI REACHED OUT IN THE NASKILA CASINO IN LIVINGSTON ACTUALLY WILLING TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, WHICH IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, A STRUGGLE TO FIND.

SO WE WANT. BUT BECAUSE IT'S APPROVED TO THE APPROVED PLAN, WE HAVE TO BRING ALL RECOMMENDATIONS AND CHANGES TO THAT PLAN TO YOU GUYS TO VOTE ON.

THE TRIP ORIGINALLY FOR THE MURDER MYSTERY DINNER FOR 40 PARTICIPANTS WAS BUDGETED FOR $2,268.

AND THEN IF WE WERE TO DO THE CASINO WITH A MAX OF 53 PARTICIPANTS ON THEIR TRANSPORTATION IT WOULD COST US $1,870. SO WE WOULD STILL BE UNDER BUDGET IF WE CONSIDERED THIS TRIP.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU APPROVE THE ALTERNATIVE TRIP OR YOU DISCUSS IT, LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS, OR WE CAN STICK WITH ONE OF THE TRIPS THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED BACK IN JUNE.

WOULD THIS BE AN OVERNIGHT TRIP? NO, IT WOULD BE A WHY IS IT? I'M JUST NOSEY. WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE? IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO WALK INTO A CASINO.

BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING THE TRANSPORTATION, AND THEY'RE PROVIDING THE TRANSPORTATION FOR $35 PER PERSON.

AND THEN THE PEOPLE RECOUP $25 WHEN THEY GET THERE.

AND THEY'LL GET $25 IN FREE PLAY. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S $5 UP, $5 BACK.

OKAY. GAS COSTS. SO THE 1870 IS REALLY TRANSPORTATION COSTS.

CORRECT. OKAY. WHEREAS THE DINNER THE. OKAY. THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT TRIPS.

CORRECT? NO, IT'S ONE TRIP. ONE TRIP. ALL RIGHT.

I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WERE TWO. SO THERE WERE TWO ALTERNATIVE TRIPS PLANNED THAT YOU ALL APPROVED WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

SO. THIS IS ONLY ONE. THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL OPTION.

SO BASICALLY YOU HAD TWO ALTERNATIVES THAT Y'ALL COULD CHOOSE FROM.

BUT I'M BRINGING YOU GUYS A THIRD OPTION TO CONSIDER SINCE IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP BY POPULAR DEMAND, RIGHT.

IT'S A CASINO [INAUDIBLE] HEY USED TO. YES. THE CASINO IS FURNISHING THE BUS.

AND THE DRIVER.

YEAH, BUT THEY GIVE THEM BACK THE MONEY AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE YOU WHEN YOU GET THERE, THEY'LL GIVE YOU $25 BACK.

SO THEY ARE GIVING THE MONEY BACK. SO BASICALLY AT THE END OF IT.

YEAH. AT THE END OF IT, THEY'LL REALLY INDIVIDUALS, IF THEY ARE PLANNING TO PLAY, WOULD SPEND A TOTAL OF $10 BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING $35 TO RESERVE THEIR SPOT ON THE BUS. AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO THE CASINO, $25 WILL BE GIVEN.

SO A $10 COST IS REALLY WE HAVE NOT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS APPROVED BY YOU GUYS.

BEFORE YOU CAN REGISTER. EXACTLY. AND THE JUNE TRIPS HAVE NOT OPENED UP.

THAT'S THE THIRD QUARTER. SO WE WANT TO COME TO YOU GUYS AHEAD OF TIME SO WE KNOW HOW TO PLAN AND ADVERTISE FOR QUARTER THREE TRIPS, WHICH INCLUDES JUNE THROUGH SEPTEMBER. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION DOES THE $2268 INCLUDED THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE DINNER FOR THE DINNER THEATER TRIP.

YES MA'AM. OKAY. AND WAS THAT GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PARTICIPANTS OR WERE THEY GOING TO PAY PART OF THAT? JUST THE TICKET. SO YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY HAD TO BUY FOR THEIR OWN DINNER WHEN THEY GOT THERE? CORRECT. NO. FROM WHAT I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS ALL INCLUSIVE.

IT WAS THEIR TICKET AND DINNER PRICE WAS WHAT THE DINNER MURDER MYSTERY WAS.

OKAY, SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NO COST TO THE SENIORS, RIGHT? NO, THEY PAID THE FEE. OKAY. YEAH, THE FEE TO GO TO THE DINNER, I THINK IT WAS LIKE $55 A PERSON.

OKAY. AND THAT INCLUDED THEIR THEATER TICKET AND THEIR MEAL.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD HAVE INCLUDED. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE $35,

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AND SO IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE TEN. CORRECT. AND THEN THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WHILE THEY'RE THERE TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN MEALS.

YES, YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT TOO.

WELL, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS ONE IS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND DRIVER, THE OTHER TRIPS WOULD ONLY TAKE 24 ORIGINAL PEOPLE, WITH ONE BUS DRIVER BEING VICKI, WITH THEM PROVIDING THE TRANSPORTATION WE CAN TAKE 53 PEOPLE VERSUS ORIGINALLY.

SO IF YOU RECOVER ANYTHING FROM THAT, THE 53 PERSON IS PREFERABLE TO 24.

CORRECT. GO WITH THE CASINO. SO IS THAT A MOTION BY.

I MAKE A MOTION YOU GO WITH THE CASINO. OKAY.

SO . I SECOND. ARCHIE WHO WAS SECOND? SECOND.

OKAY. I DON'T CARE. MCDANIEL. WHAT? I MADE A MOTION.

OKAY. SO THE SENIOR CITIZEN COMMISSION APPROVES THE PROPOSED TRIP ALTERNATIVE TO THE NASKILA CASINO OPTION FOR OCTOBER 2024 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 25TH SENIOR TRIP PLAN. THANK YOU GUYS. OH, SORRY GOT TO VOTE ON IT FIRST.

SO I HAVE A MOTION, FIRST BY MEMBER ARCHIE AND SECOND BY MCDANIEL.

EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED? ME.

IT PASSED ANYWAY. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. DO YOU OPPOSE? OH, AYE SORRY. OKAY. THAT MOTION CARRIES 4 TO 1.

WE OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. THAT'S THE INDIAN ONE, RIGHT? YES. NUMBER FOUR DISCUSSION ON STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATES.

[4. Discussion on Strategic Plan updates. ]

SO SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PAST SINCE OUR JUNE MEETING.

AND JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. ALSO SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP AS THEY PERTAIN TO YOUR.

YOU GUYS'S STRATEGIC PLAN FOR HOUSING. SO BACK IN AUGUST 2024 LUNCH AND LEARN WAS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

AND SO PARTICIPANTS TOOK A BUS RIDE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AND THEY GOT TO LOOK AT NEW AND UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE ANGLETON AREA.

I BELIEVE THEY GOT TO TOUR A MODEL HOME AND ASK QUESTIONS, GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK TO OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT SENIOR HOMES AND SENIOR HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD.

IN REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION WE ARE STILL BRAINSTORMING.

WE DID COME UP WITH SOME WAYS WITH YOU GUYS TO ACCOMMODATE GROWING WAITLISTS.

IT'S GETTING AHEAD OF THE BUS DRIVER SITUATION.

WE HAVE IT ON THE EMPLOYMENT PAGE ON THE CITY WEBSITE FOR CONTRACTED BUS DRIVERS.

IT'S FINDING INDIVIDUALS WITH CDL COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE.

IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY THAT HAS A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE, WE DID INCREASE THE PAY TO $18 AN HOUR.

IT USED TO BE 1625 AND THAT INCREASED IN OCTOBER.

SO IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY, PLEASE FOR THEM WE ARE ACTIVELY ALWAYS LOOKING FOR HEALTHCARE.

KROGER PROVIDED VACCINES THIS PAST OCTOBER. AND THEN ANGLETON PARKS AND RECREATION PARTNERED WITH THE BETTER LIFE AND SIGHT FOUNDATION TO HOST THE FIRST MY NEIGHBOR DAY. SO THIS EVENT OFFERED FREE HEALTH CARE SCREENINGS AS WELL AS DENTAL AND VISION SCREENINGS TO OUR COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF INSURANCE AND ANY NEEDS.

SO IT WAS ALL FREE. THE EVENT WAS PROMOTED TO THE SILVER HEARTS COMMUNITY.

DOCTOR JACKSON AND HIS WIFE, MISS DENISE JACKSON, WHO ARE PART OF THE BETTER LIFE AND SITE FOUNDATION, CAME AND TALKED TO THE SENIORS AS WELL, I BELIEVE, AS A LUNCH, AND LEARN ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES AND HOW THEY COULD GET INVOLVED AND HOW THEY COULD ATTEND IT. THE EVENT WELCOMED 210 PARTICIPANTS IN OCTOBER.

AND THEN IN MAY COMING UP, LUNCH AND LEARN WILL HOST HEARING SCREENINGS WITH HEAR USA.

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THERE ARE STILL SPOTS AVAILABLE FOR THAT. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING TO VOICE YOUR OPINION OR TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.

I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND AND COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS.

AND THEN RECREATION RELATED. WE'VE HAD A LOT GOING ON RECENTLY OUR LUNCH AND LEARN MET WITH THE ANGLETON FIRE DEPARTMENT TO DO A DEMO ON FIRE SAFETY FOR OUR GROUP. OUR NEXT QUARTER TRIPS INCLUDE NAVIGATING THE.

OH, SORRY. THE NEXT LUNCH AND LEARN TOPICS FOR THIS MONTH, THE CITY OF ANGLETON WEBSITE AND HOW TO NAVIGATE IT WILL BE DONE BY THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. OH MAKING VANILLA EXTRACT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A CRAFT AS WELL.

AND THEN OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED, THE HEARING SCREENINGS WITH HEAR USA, BEANBAG BASEBALL AND CHEER VOLLEYBALL ARE STILL BEING OFFERED ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

SINCE THE JUNE MEETING, THE SILVER HEARTS HAVE TRAVELED AT LEAST TWICE TO THE ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IS THE SENIOR ACTIVITY CENTER IN PEARLAND, TO CHALLENGE ITS SENIORS IN BOTH SPORTS.

THAT HAS BEEN A REALLY GREAT CONNECTION WE HAVE HAD WITH THE PEARLAND SENIOR CENTER AND SEEING HOW THEY OPERATE AND MAKING NEW FRIENDS, SO IT'S BEEN REALLY FUN. DUE TO THE INCREASED DEMAND IN CHEER VOLLEYBALL, OPEN PLAY VOLLEYBALL OFFERINGS WILL START THIS MONTH AND WILL BE OFFERED TWICE MONTHLY.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS TYPICALLY VICKI KEEPS SCORE AND DOES THE REFEREEING FOR CHAIR VOLLEYBALL, BUT BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED DEMAND, OPEN PLAY MEANS THAT SENIORS WILL BE ABLE TO GO IN, SET IT UP THEMSELVES AND RUN THE PROGRAM THEMSELVES.

THEY HAVE BEEN THEY'VE DISCUSSED THIS. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO IN PEARLAND AS WELL.

AND THEY ARE. WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW IT GOES, BUT THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR IT. SO IT HELPS MEET THE DEMAND OF ADDITIONAL SENIOR PROGRAMING WITHOUT ALWAYS PULLING VICKI TO HAVING TO BE THERE, BUT ALSO LETTING HER CONTINUE TO PROGRAM ALL THE OTHER THINGS.

LET'S SEE. SILVER HEARTS WELLNESS WALKERS, WHICH WAS FORMERLY THE WALK WITH EASE PROGRAM THAT WE HAD RECEIVED IT AN ARPA GRANT ON.

IT'S A FREE WALKING PROGRAM THAT LASTS SIX WEEKS IS THREE TIMES A WEEK.

THE SENIORS ARE WALK THE GYM AND THEY TRACK THEIR MILEAGE THROUGHOUT THAT TIME PERIOD.

WE HAVE REBRANDED IT SO THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP OFFERING IT WITHOUT BEING UNDER THE CONSTRAINT BECAUSE THE GRANT KIND OF RAN OUT.

AND SO AND OUR INSTRUCTOR MOVED. SO WE DO HAVE OUR REC SPECIALIST, EMILY, WHO IS A CERTIFIED THERAPEUTIC RECREATION SPECIALIST.

AND SO SHE WILL BE WRITING THE PROGRAM. IT'S STILL THE SAME FORMAT.

JUST A NEW NAME. YES. AND THAT STARTED TODAY.

IT'S STILL A FREE FITNESS OPPORTUNITY. IT'S OPEN TO EVERYBODY, NOT JUST SENIORS.

IT'S OPEN TO IT'S MORE IT'S AN INCLUSIVE PROGRAM.

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. IT BEGINS TODAY, FEBRUARY 3RD THROUGH MARCH 7TH.

AND THEN SHE HAS A SPRING SESSION THAT WILL BE APRIL 7TH THROUGH MAY 16TH.

THEY CAN ALSO REGISTER TO JOIN ANY TIME. AND GROUP FITNESS IS STILL DOING REALLY WELL, PARTICULARLY OUR CLASSIC SILVER CLASS, WHICH IS A REALLY BIG HIT AND REALLY POPULAR.

QUALITY OF LIFE. SO THE THANKSGIVING POTLUCK, WHICH WAS HOSTED THIS PAST NOVEMBER, WE HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MOST HOLY TRINITY CHURCH TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR SPACE, AND THEY HAD VOLUNTEERS COME OUT AS WELL.

WE HAD 86 PARTICIPANTS THERE, AND THE ANNUAL SILVER HEARTS CHRISTMAS PARTY, WHICH WAS HELD IN DECEMBER, HAD 80 PARTICIPANTS. AND SO FOLKS ENJOYED A FREE MEAL AND ENTERTAINMENT AND FUN THAT DAY.

THE VALENTINE'S DAY SOCIALS COMING UP THAT IS ON THE 11TH OF THIS MONTH, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE 48 PARTICIPANTS REGISTERED.

A QUARTER TWO TRIPS ON FEBRUARY THROUGH MAY HAVE OPENED IN 2 OR 3 OF THOSE TRIPS HAVE WAITING LISTS AS IN THE NEXT THREE, LUNCH BUNCHES ARE MORE THAN HALF FULL. SO IF YOU WANT TO GET IN ON THOSE LUNCH BUNCHES, MAKE SURE YOU REGISTER AND STAFF ARE WORKING ON WAYS TO OBTAIN A SECOND DRIVER AS WE MENTIONED, AN OVERNIGHT TRIP IS SCHEDULED TO ROCKPORT IN APRIL.

AND THEN AS FOR COMMUNICATION, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 89 ON OUR TEXTMYGOV SYSTEM.

SO ANYTIME THERE'S A PROGRAM UPDATE OR AN EMERGENCY, VICKI'S ABLE TO GO IN AND TEXT SENIORS UPDATES OR REMINDERS.

AND THAT HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT AND THAT HAS GROWN.

THE SILVER HEARTS NEWSLETTER STILL OCCURS ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WITH 32 INDIVIDUALS THAT GET MAILED OUT AND THEN 84 THAT ARE EMAILED, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT WE HAVE PRINTED IN THE FACILITY THAT ARE TAKEN AND REFILLED ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.

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SHE HASN'T OFFICIALLY LEFT, BUT SHE HAD GIVEN US AN UPDATE THAT SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE WALK WITH EASE PROGRAMS. SHE ANTICIPATED LEAVING. YES. BUT HER PLACE HASN'T SOLD YET.

OH. WHERE IS SHE MOVING TO? SHE'S MOVING WAY EAST.

WAY EAST? WHERE IT GETS COLD. THAT'S. SHE'S LIVING BY HER SON.

OH, OKAY. EXCELLENT. SORRY. NO PERSONAL. NO QUESTION.

NO MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. MEETING'S OVER AT. ADJOURNED.

ADJOURNED AT 12:21. THANK YOU GUYS. AND OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE.

TODAY IS FEBRUARY. MARCH, APRIL. APRIL 7TH. IS THAT WHAT YOU HAD? THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD ME. YEAH. APRIL 7TH. APRIL.

APRIL 7TH YEAH. SO DURING THAT MEETING, ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE DO HAVE PLANNED FOR SEPTEMBER. NO, SORRY. OCTOBER 2025 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 2026.

SO VICKI WILL START MEETING WITH SENIORS AT THE SILVER HEARTS MONTHLY MEETING, WHICH IS HELD ON THURSDAY MORNINGS TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK OF PROPOSED TRIPS, DESTINATIONS, RESTAURANTS Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO VISIT.

SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME OR EMAIL VICKI OR SEND THEM TO US ON A PIECE OF PAPER BEFORE THAT APRIL MEETING.

I WILL ALSO SEND YOU ALL A EMAIL REMINDER. MOST LIKELY PROBABLY IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS HERE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SENT ANY IN. SO THAT WILL COME UP IN APRIL.

THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.