Mar 04, 2025 Parks & Recreation Board

WE ARE READY. OKAY. 12:01, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM.

[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER]

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AND ONE OF THEM JUST APPROVING MINUTES FROM TWO OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

TALK ABOUT ABIGAIL AREAS, PARK FREEDOM PARK SCHEMATICS, AND THEN AN UPDATE ON THE COST RECOVERY POLICY.

SO, MEGAN, I'LL LET YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. SO ITEM ONE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD

[1. Discussion and possible action to approve the minutes of the Parks & Recreation Board meeting on December 9, 2024, and January 13, 2025]

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. BOTH OF THEM, OR JUST THE.

YEAH. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? TAKE A VOTE. ALL OPPOSED? AYE.

MEAN ALL OPPOSED. ALL. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE.

ALL OPPOSED. OKAY. THAT ONE I HEARD THE OPPOSED BUT I'M LIKE.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT LIKE, WHAT DID I SAY? OKAY.

GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE IS ABIGAIL.

[2. Discussion and possible action on Abigail Arias Park schematic designs.]

SO WE DO HAVE SOME DESIGNS UP HERE FOR YOU AS WELL AS A BRIEF PRESENTATION.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CLAUDIA WALKER WITH BURNET LANDING PLACE TO JUST REVIEW THE PRESENTATION AND THEN HAVE YOU ALL COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE DESIGNS AND PROVIDE US WITH SOME INPUT? WE, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING, ARE WE? NO.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE PARKS BOARD TO DO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

LET'S SEE, WE DID SPEAK WITH THE FAMILY JANUARY 13TH.

WE ALSO HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 22ND.

SO WE DID RECEIVE SOME INPUT ON THESE SAME VISION BOARDS.

WE CAN SHARE SOME OF THAT INPUT WITH YOU. AND THEN WHAT WE WANT TO DO, THE PLAN OF ACTION HERE IS WE WOULD LIKE INPUT FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD REGARDING BOTH OF THE PLANS. WHAT YOU LIKE, WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THE TOWN HALL, WHAT YOU PROVIDE, IN ADDITION TO A MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL.

SO CITY COUNCIL WILL BE A SUBSEQUENT MEETING TO THIS ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM ANY INPUT REGARDING WHAT PARKS BOARD AND TOWN HALL NECESSARILY SAID.

THEY'RE GOING TO COMPREHENSIVELY TAKE ALL OF THE INPUT FROM TOWN HALL, THIS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL, AND CREATE ONE FINAL SCHEMATIC DESIGN FOR ADOPTION.

SO THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU AS A FINAL DESIGN FOR PARKS BOARD TO APPROVE OR MAKE MINOR REVISIONS BEFORE WE GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.

ONCE WE CREATE AND ADOPT THE FINAL CONCEPT PLAN, THEN WE'RE REALLY GOING TO START GETTING INTO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS.

YEAH. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE IN THE TOWN HALL? I SAW PICTURES, OH GOSH. I'D SAY LESS THAN TEN.

OKAY. I KIND OF WANTED TO COME, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW.

FIGURED WE WERE GOING TO SEE IT EVENTUALLY. OKAY.

ARE YOU GOING TO SWITCH IT? OKAY. SO. AND I THINK SHE GENERALLY GOT YOU GUYS UP TO DATE ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

WE HAVE REALLY GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD INPUT FROM THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC INPUT AS WELL.

AND SO WE ARE ALREADY KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO INCORPORATE THOSE COMMENTS AND ISSUES AND JUST IDEAS INTO THE FINAL ONE.

SO THE CONCEPTS THAT YOU'LL SEE OR THAT YOU SEE HERE, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE EASILY ABLE TO COMBINE INTO ONE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON Y'ALL'S, WELL, Y'ALL'S AND COUNCIL'S COMMENTS.

SO OVERALL, JUST KIND OF WALKING THROUGH THE ACTUAL THOUGHT PROCESS BETWEEN BEHIND THE TWO CONCEPTS IS WE WANTED TO CREATE A SPACE THAT KIND OF ALLOWED FOR US TO INCORPORATE THE PERSONALITIES OF ABIGAIL ARIAS AS INITIALLY KIND OF UNDERSTOOD AND ALSO CREATE A SPACE FOR KIND OF RESTORATIVE AND KIND OF HEALING SPACE, WHICH, I MEAN, I THINK AFTER COVID, EVERYBODY REALLY HAS UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS IN GENERAL IN THAT ASPECT.

SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST MAINLY KIND OF CREATING THE SPACES INTENTIONALLY TO ALLOW FOR, FOR MORE HEALING SPACE. SO WITH THAT, WE WENT THROUGH THE KIND OF THE FOUR PILLARS OF, OF HEALING, WHICH WOULD BE MENTAL, PHYSICAL, SOCIAL AND SPIRITUAL AND GOING INTO JUST THE BASIC THE BASICS OF WHAT EACH ONE OF THOSE WERE FOR.

SO MENTAL. WE WANT TO CREATE A SPACE THAT ALLOWS FOR CREATIVITY, A SPACE TO KIND

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WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN TO THE PARK, YOU HAVE A KIND OF IF YOU HAVE AN, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE OR NOT, AND YOU'RE WANTING TO COME INTO THE SPACE AND YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT THIS IS, MAYBE YOU'RE STRESSED OUT FROM AND THIS IS EVEN AN ADULT TALK TO YOU OR EVEN A KID. YOU'RE STRESSED OUT FROM SOMETHING AND YOU JUST KIND OF WANT TO GO INTO ANOTHER SPACE. YOU RECOGNIZE THIS IS THE STRESS THAT I HAVE.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO IN THE PARK AND PLAY, GO TAKE A WALK OR SOMETHING.

SO IT'S JUST CREATING THOSE SPACES THROUGHOUT PHYSICAL, OF COURSE, CREATING THE AREAS FOR CLIMBING, RUNNING, BICYCLING AND ALL THE OTHER ACTIVE PLAY ACTIVITIES THAT GO WITH PARKING AND THE SPECIFIC AMENITIES THAT THIS PARK WILL HAVE. AND SOCIAL AGAIN GOES WITH THE PARK THING CREATING SPACES FOR GATHERING THROUGHOUT, WHETHER IT'S GATHERING WITH YOUR OWN PEERS, YOUR OWN FAMILIES, OR CREATING SPACES THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT GROUPS TO GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE SPACE.

AND THE SPIRITUAL HAVING THE MORE REFLECTIVE AND CONTEMPLATED SPACES CREATING SPACES WHERE YOU CAN IMMERSE YOURSELF ON YOUR OWN OR GO IN AND JUST, YOU KNOW, GATHERING WITH OTHERS AS WELL, BUT MORE IMMERSED IN NATURE AND WITHIN THOSE WE MAY BE ALLOWING FOR SOME OTHER ASPECTS TO KIND OF CREATE ALL THE SENSES WORKING LIKE SOUND, SIGHT TEXTURES. AND THIS IS WHERE KIND OF THE AVERAGE FEATURE STARTS COMING IN AS WELL.

SO OVERALL FOR THE TWO CONCEPTS WE HAVE CONCEPT A, WHICH WE CALL THE CREEK.

IT'S INSPIRED BY THE KIND OF THE RUNNING OF WATERS IN THE CREEK.

THE REALLY BOTH OF THE CONCEPTS HAVE KIND OF WATER INSPIRATION BECAUSE IT'S CALMING.

IT'S GOT THE TEAL COLORS THAT INSPIRE THE, THE KIND OF CALMING ASPECT OF IT AS WELL.

SO WE, WE WANTED TO KIND OF EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS.

A LITTLE BIT MORE SO CONCEPT A THE CREEK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIC IN NATURE AND BRINGS IN THE, THE CREEK KIND OF ELEMENTS INTO THE PLAY AND SPLASH PAD AREA.

BUT OVERALL. SO THIS ONE HAS A BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT ITSELF IS KIND OF WHAT STARTS KIND OF CREATING THE, THE DIFFERENT SPACES BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE OTHER ONE.

THIS ONE ALLOWS FOR THE PARKING LOT TO BE MORE CENTRALIZED.

IF THE PARCEL TO THE RIGHT WAS EVER A, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PARKLAND, THIS PARKING LOT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT WHOLE PARK TO BE KIND OF SURROUNDED BY IT. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR MORE KIND OF OPEN SPACE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PARK SITE. AND IT STILL KIND OF CREATES A SPACE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND IT DOES HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AS WELL.

I'M SORRY. YEAH. SORRY. IT ALSO HAS THE THEY BOTH HAVE THE OVERALL LOOP WITH THE MEANDERING PATHWAYS AND TOPOGRAPHY RELIEF THROUGHOUT.

AND THEN THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES IS SOMEWHAT CENTRALIZED TO THE ENTIRE SITE, WITH CLEAR VIEWS TO THE PLAYGROUND AND SPLASH PAD AREAS AND ALSO SURROUNDED BY SOME OF THE NATURE SPACES.

ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE PICNIC AREA WHERE THERE'S A CURRENT EXISTING GROVE OF TREES AS WELL FOR IT TO BE THE WHOLE PLAY AREA, TO BE SURROUNDED BY DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO GATHER AND SIT AS WELL.

WE ALSO HAVE THE YELLOW CABANA AREAS TO BE MORE OF A RENTABLE SPACE FOR THOSE.

AND SO FOR THIS ONE, THE PLAYGROUND SPACE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CREEK THEME TO ALLOW FOR SOME MORE

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AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TEALS ARE GRAPHICS ARE KIND OF REPRESENT WHAT THE CREEK ITSELF.

IT COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, FUN, WHIMSICAL PIECES OR NATURE KIND OF INSPIRED, LIKE FROGS AND LILY PADS AND YOU KNOW, LEAF OVERHEAD PIECES AS WELL. AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE.

OH, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST SO ON THE SOUTH END TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE SPACE, WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE LINEAR ELEMENT FOR SCALABLE PLAZA SPACE, AS WELL AS FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPANSION OF THAT INTO MORE OF A BOWL CONNECTION AS THAT COMES UP.

ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR CONNECTING TO ANDERSON ROAD, SORRY ROAD TO ALLOW FOR THE CREATION OF A FOOD TRUCK PLAZA AND ALSO ACTIVATING THE SITE FOR THE ADVENTURE COURSES AS WELL.

SO THERE'S FOOD PARK OR WOULD IT BE SPACES THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE CITY WOULD RENT OUT TO FOOD TRUCKS, AND THEY COULD STAY THERE FOR WEEKS AT A TIME, OR IS THIS JUST FOR EVENTS? I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE.

SURE, SO THIS ITEM CAME UP AS THROUGHOUT ANGLETON UNIVERSITY AS A CONCEPT, IT WOULD LIKELY BE UTILIZED JUST LIKE LAKESIDE PARK.

WE HAVE FOOD TRUCK PLUGINS IN THE PARKING LOT, AND IT WOULD SERVE IN THE CAPACITY OF IF WE HAD AN EVENT THERE, IF WE WANTED TO RENT THE SPACE. BUT WE ARE IN NO WAY MAKING ANY DECISIONS AT THIS TIME RELATED TO LONG TERM LEASE SPACE.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PARKS BOARD WANTED TO CONSIDER AS A REVENUE GENERATING ITEM, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT BACK. BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY. AND THE CITY DOESN'T EVEN OWN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. YES.

IT'S EXPLORATORY IN CASE THAT WAS EVER AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF HAVE A GRAND PLAN OF HOW THINGS COULD WORK OUT.

SO CONCEPT B, THIS ONE IS INSPIRED BY THE PLAYING IN THE RAIN IS KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND IT WITH, AGAIN, THE CALMING EFFECTS OF SITTING AND WATCHING THE RAIN JUST POUR DOWN OR KIDS PLAYING IN PUDDLES AND I'M KIND OF ENJOYING THAT THE PLAY ASPECT OF THAT AS WELL.

THIS HAS THE CENTRALIZED PARKING LOT THAT'S TOWARDS THE FRONT.

IT ALLOWS AS A KIND OF A BUFFER BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE ROAD AS WELL.

AND IT IS ALSO EASY KIND OF FOR MONITORING BECAUSE YOU CAN GO IN AND OUT QUITE EASILY IF IT'S A POLICE ACTIVITY THAT WANTS TO KEEP EYE ON, ON SITES THEY CAN, THEY CAN EITHER DRIVE THROUGH AND CLEARLY SEE EVERYTHING, OR THEY CAN DRIVE IN AND DO THEIR PATROLLING AS WELL.

AND EASY ACCESS TO FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AS WELL.

THIS ONE CAN ALSO EXPAND MORE IF NEEDED TO HAVE MORE PARKING ON THE ON THE RIGHT.

AS WELL AS OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ON THAT END. THE LOOP AS WELL IS A LITTLE TINY, JUST A TINY BIT LARGER THAN THE CONCEPT A, BUT IT'S ALSO MEANDERING WITH TOPOGRAPHY THROUGHOUT AND SEE, PLAYGROUND PAVILION STRUCTURE. ALL OF THAT SPACE IS MORE FOCUSED TOWARDS THE PLAY AREA.

IT'S THE PAVILION RESTROOM IS ACTUALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAY STRUCTURES FOR EASY ACCESS AND RENTAL, MORE RENTALBILITY OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL FOR PARTIES AND GATHERINGS AND ALL.

AND THE, THE EXCUSE ME, THE LITTLE SHELTERS, CABANAS ARE WITHIN THE KIND OF GENERALLY INTEGRATED IN THE LITTLE POD IN THE CENTER AS WELL FOR THEM TO BE RENTABLE AS ONE OR A WHOLE SPACE.

YOU KNOW, ALL THREE OF THEM CAN BE RENTED AS A PARTY AS WELL.

THE PLAYGROUND ITSELF IS IT'S BASED ON THE IDEA OF THE RAIN CREATING SPACES WHERE THERE'S MAYBE THERE'S UMBRELLAS THAT, THAT THE I THINK THERE WAS ONE.

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NOT NECESSARILY AS ORGANIC AS THE PREVIOUS ONE.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE REPETITIVE PATTERN OF, OF LIKE THE WATER DROPLETS YOU KNOW IN A SPACE.

THE, I DIDN'T I MISSED TWO. OKAY. SO THE SIDE ON THE RIGHT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR KIND OF A LABYRINTH SPACE THAT'S MORE THE CONTEMPLATIVE AREA.

IT CAN STILL BE PART OF A GATHERING AREA FOR GROUP GATHERING, OR KIND OF A SOLO SPACE WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND ACTUALLY WALK THE LABYRINTH AND GO THROUGH THAT AS WELL, OR JUST PLAY IT'S A MULTI-PURPOSE SPACE AND THAT AND I KNOW THAT ONE WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS HAS BEEN LIKE, WHAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A SITE ON THERE? CAN IT BE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE PARK? OF COURSE.

AGAIN, THIS ONE WAS GENERALLY PLACED THERE BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE CEMETERY AND THE OTHER ROAD AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S ALREADY SOME TREE LINES THROUGHOUT THERE.

AND THAT WAS THE ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT SPACE AND THE REST OF, OF THE, THAT SPACE ACTIVATED BY SOME OF THE ADVENTURE KIND OF COURSE ELEMENTS THAT WERE ON THE LIST OF DESIRES AS WELL.

IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THE LIST, BUT IT'S IN THERE AS WELL.

AND SO I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBER. NUMBER 19, AVAILABLE AT THE TOP OF THE HEART IS A SPACE FOR AGAIN, MULTI-USE SPACE. THIS CAN BE A SEATING AREA, GATHERING SPACE, BUT ALSO NEAR THE PLAYGROUND AREA WHERE IT CAN BE MORE OF A MAKESHIFT AMPHITHEATER SPACE FOR KIDS TO PRETEND PLAY, OR HAVING SMALL CLASSES WHERE YOU CAN SIT AND TEACHABLE MOMENTS THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE AREA THERE. SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF LAND, BUT IT'S A KIND OF A SMALL SPACE FOR, FOR THAT ACTION TO HAPPEN. AND THE SKATE AREA, WE KEPT IT ONCE AGAIN ON THE ON THE FRONT END FOR EASY VISIBILITY, AND THIS ONE IS A SKATE PLAZA RUN AND OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANSION OF THE BOWL.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL OF THEM. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, EITHER ONE. AND, ANY SAID WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE COMBINING SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS, IF NOT ALL OF THEM AS DESIRED. SO WHEN WE HAD OUR TOWN HALL MEETING, WE HAD FOLKS COME AND LOOK AT THE LARGER VISION BOARD.

SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, FEEL FREE TO GET UP AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK IF YOU DON'T SEE IT WELL ON THE NOTEPAD THERE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU DO AND DO NOT LIKE REGARDING ALL AMENITIES.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU FIND LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THIS AMENITY IS ON HERE OR I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE TOP FIVE AMENITIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED WERE THE PLAYGROUND SPLASH PAD, THE WALKING TRAILS. REALLY IT WAS PATHWAYS AND TRAILS, SO THOSE KIND OF BECAME ONE.

SWINGS, THAT'S GOING TO LIKELY BE COMPRISED IN THE PLAY SPACE AREA.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF OUR MINIMUM PARK STANDARDS, INCLUDING YOUR LIGHTING.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A SHADE, AT LEAST ONE SHADE STRUCTURE WITH RESTROOMS ON SITE, WATER FOUNTAIN, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, PARK BENCHES. THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THERE AND IS IN THIS DESIGN.

BUT THE NEXT ITEM THAT WAS A PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY WAS A SKATE PARK.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT DESIGNATED AREA ON BOTH SCHEMATIC DESIGNS.

WE LEFT SPACE FOR THAT TO BE DEVELOPED. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR COST CONSTRAINTS ARE GOING TO BE ONCE THIS IS FULLY DESIGNED.

AND SO WE CAN'T SAY THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT EVEN OUR TOP FIVE.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COSTS ARE. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE REALLY NEED TO REFINE WHAT YOU DO AND DO NOT LIKE AND WHAT YOU HOPE TO SEE FROM EACH OF THE AMENITIES. YEAH, I NEED TO GO STAND UP AND SEE IT BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER. ABSOLUTELY, PLEASE

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I'M MORE DRAWN TO RAIN AND GRIEF. I MEAN, IN TWO I CAN JUST SAY THING TWO, AND IT NOT NECESSARILY I MEAN THAT THE FINAL PLAN CAN BE A COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS. I LIKE, I'M JUST THINKING OF THE PARENTS WATCHING THE KIDS PLAY.

YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD PROBABLY MEAN ASSUMING THERE'S NOBODY RENTING IT.

SO TO HAVE SOME COVER AND SHADE AND THESE AREAS THERE ARE RENTABLE, I ASSUME WHAT THEY WILL LIKELY ALL BE RENTABLE.

WE WILL RENT. WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY'RE NOT BEING REASONABLE? PEOPLE CAN STILL USE THEM.

OKAY, OKAY, SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME SHADE. THAT'S WHAT I LIKED.

YOU KNOW, SO THAT THIS ONE SEEMS A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.

SO, LIKE, YOU COULDN'T UTILIZE THE PAVILION FOR THAT? AND I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE AMPHITHEATER. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? YEAH. SO THESE COMPONENTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THESE COMPONENTS, SO YOU WON'T NECESSARILY NOT ALL THINGS ARE BECAUSE THOSE ARE JUST.

ADDED ELEMENTS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY CITIZEN PRIORITY.

OH SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS AN. SO IS YOUR ELECTION? NO IT IS. IT'S PROPOSED IN THERE AS AN ADDED ELEMENT.

SPEAKERS] I HAVE A LIST ALREADY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT? THANK YOU.

I HAVE A LIST ALREADY.

YEAH. I HAD TO GET HER TO, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? YES. AND THIS IS THE SPLASH PAD, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE SAME COLOR.

THAT'S THE PLAYGROUND. THAT'S THE SPLASH PAD. OKAY.

SO, THE DISTANCE OF THE WALKING TRAILS BETWEEN THE TWO ARE JUST ALMOST THE SAME? WHAT IS THE DISTANCE? AND THERE'S A LITTLE MORE PARKING ON PLAN B, RIGHT? JUST BY A HALF A DOZEN CARS OR SO. WELL ACTUALLY, I ONLY GOT ONE.

OH, THAT'S. OKAY. Y'ALL'S EYES ARE BETTER THAN MINE.

I CAN'T SEE THIS AMENITY NAME. VERY WELL. OKAY, I GOT IT.

HOW DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO? YOU JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH AND GIVE THEM FEEDBACK.

GO AHEAD. OH OVERALL, I'D LIKE TO BE BETTER. AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY.

BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BE RAIN. YEAH, RAIN. I LIKE THE LARGER BERMS. YOU KNOW, KIDS THAT GROW UP IN ANGLETON, TEXAS DON'T SEE A HILL.

ANYTHING BIGGER THAN TWO FEET IS GOING TO BE A HILL.

SO BIGGER THE BETTER WITH THE BERMS, I THINK I REALLY LIKE THAT MEETING, GATHERING, AMPHITHEATER KIND OF PLACE.

KIDS LOVE TO GET OUT AND PERFORM. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY POPULAR.

I THINK THE PARKING DESIGN ON RAIN IS MUCH BETTER.

IT'S I THINK ON THE ONE ON THE LEFT THERE, THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXITS ARE REALLY CLOSE TOGETHER AND THAT COULD CREATE AN ISSUE.

I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTIONED FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, HAVING CARS IN A PARK PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS SUBJECT TO GETTING BROKEN INTO.

AND THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT IN B IS JUST MUCH EASIER FOR THE CITIZENS OR POLICE OFFICER TO DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND LOOK AT THAT PARKING LOT THAN IT

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WELL, IT'S CLOSER TO GET TO THE AMENITY. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS CLOSER TO GET TO THE AMENITIES, BUT WE CAN WALK. I LIKE THE ACCESS THOUGH, FROM ANDERSON ON THAT.

THE FIRST ONE THERE, YOU KNOW THAT IF THAT WAS AVAILABLE, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I REALLY LIKE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS FROM BOTH ROADS, BUT THAT COULD BE PLUGGED INTO EITHER DESIGN, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. YEAH. WITH THE FOOD TRUCK OPTION? YEAH. SO I LIKE THE WAY THAT THE PATH IS SHAPED IN THE RAIN CONCEPT.

I THINK IT KIND OF UTILIZES THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BETTER.

KIND OF SPREADS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. RIGHT.

AND THAT'S MY $0.05 WORTH. YEAH. I'M TOTALLY 100% WITH YOU THERE.

AND LIKE I SAID, I LIKE THE PAVILION IN THE AMPHITHEATER FOR THE PARENTS TO WATCH THE KIDS.

SO THEY HAVE SOME SHADE AND EVEN THE PICNIC TABLES.

ALL OF THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE CENTRAL. AND, YOU KNOW, BETTER UTILIZATION OF THIS SHADE STRUCTURE FOR THE PARENTS.

SO I LIKE THAT ONE A LOT BETTER, TOO. I ACTUALLY LIKE THIS BRIDGE CONCEPT.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE. THAT'S IN THE FIRST STREAM AND THE CREEK.

BUT I GUESS I WAS ENVISIONING A REAL BRIDGE WITH RAIN COMING DOWN UNDER THE BRIDGE WHERE THEY COULD SWIM UNDER IT.

BUT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. THAT WAS WATER OVER THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A HIGHER LEVEL WHERE SOMEBODY COULD JUST STAND UP THERE.

IT'S EXPLORING SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT TO SEE IF IT'S IF IT'S A BRIDGE WHERE, WHERE KIDS CAN CRAWL UNDER KIND OF LIKE A CRAWL TUNNEL. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY OF WATER RAIN COMING DOWN IT.

I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. IF THEY'RE CRAWLING UNDER THERE, THOUGH, THE PARENTS CAN'T SEE THEM IN THERE.

I'M KIND OF IT SEEMS KIND OF DANGEROUS IF THERE'S WATER.

IT'S GENERALLY SHORT AREA TO CRAWL UNDER. YOU CAN ALWAYS CREATE MORE VISIBILITY WITHIN THAT.

IF THAT WAS, IF THAT WAS THE CONCERN. YEAH. BUT AND I THINK, AS YOU SAID, YOU LIKED THE IDEA OF THE, THE PAVILION BEING KIND OF CLOSER TO IT. WE WOULD HAVE IT TO WHERE IT'S DIRECT VISIBILITY.

SO THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD WAS THE PARKING.

AND I LIKE THE PARKING ON BE BETTER, BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE FELT LIKE IT WAS REAL CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION ON ANDERSON AND CEMETERY.

AND THAT INTERSECTION GETS A LITTLE BUSY WITH SOUTH SIDE BEING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

SO I DO LIKE THE PARKING ON BE BETTER, BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE AMPHITHEATER AND STUFF ON B AND HAVING THE PAVILION AND STUFF CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND. BUT I LIKE THE FOOD TRUCK IDEA CONCEPT, I GUESS. I KNOW IT'S DRAWN INTO.

I KNOW YOU COULD PUT IT INTO THE OTHER ONE, BUT IF YOU.

I MEAN, YOU COULD IF YOU HAD THAT OTHER PARCEL AND YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING THERE, BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN 11.

I MEAN, WHAT IS IT? NUMBER 13. OH, LORD. 13. THE LABYRINTH WALL.

OKAY. AND THAT COULD BE RELOCATED AS WELL. SO OKAY, I'M IN THE LARGER WALKING AREA. THAT'S PART OF THE TRAIL RIGHT ON THE ABOVE THAT ON B.

YES. MORE WALKING. YES, I THINK SO. THE PATH UP THERE.

YEAH. WHICH IS NICE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THERE.

YES. YES. AND SO THAT CURRENTLY IT'S A SMALLER IT WOULD BE THE SECONDARY TRAILS.

THOSE CAN BE CONCRETE OR DECOMPOSED GRANITE. BUT THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF CREATE THE, THE THOSE MORE NATURAL SPACES WITHIN THE TREE CANOPY, WITH LESS IMPACT TO THE TREES. IT COULD EVEN BE LIKE BIKE TRAILS RIGHT WHERE IT'S MADE OUT OF SOMETHING, NOT CONCRETE, WHERE THEY CAN RIDE THEIR BIKE THROUGH ALL THAT.

YES, CERTAINLY. OKAY. LOOK AT ME. I LOVE THE STAGE.

IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITES. I KNOW IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE HYPOTHETICAL THINGS RIGHT NOW, BUT SAME AS WHAT'S BEEN MENTIONED.

THE PARKING. I PREFER THE RAIN. I LOVE THAT HEART INCORPORATION IN THERE.

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AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BECOME A HOTSPOT FOR FIELD TRIPS, ESPECIALLY.

AND IF WE CAN EXPAND THAT PICNIC GROVE. I THINK THAT WILL MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AND SEATING AND JUST IN GENERAL, FAMILIES COMING TO STAY THERE FOR THE DAY WANTING TO BRING THEIR OWN COOLERS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DEFINITELY THE WAY THIS IS LOOKING AT THIS POINT, IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY COULD SPEND SEVERAL HOURS THERE AND REALLY MAKE A DAY OF IT.

EVEN MAKING IT GO ALL ALONG, THE WHOLE EDGE OF IT, INSTEAD OF SPREADING IT ALL OUT, JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL ALONG THE WATER IN THE PLAYGROUND AREA, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE IT LONGER.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YES. SO YOU'D HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES TO GO, BUT NOT LIKE FAR AWAY.

YOU'D BE REAL CLOSE ALL ALONG THERE. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S NICE. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT EVERYBODY'S ASKING FOR TO GO SEE IT.

YEAH. VISUALLY IS AMAZING. IT'S GOING TO ADD A LOT TO THE POSSIBILITIES OF THINGS FOR ALL AGES TO DO AND ENJOY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY LACKING HERE THE MOST.

AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT ABIGAIL'S FAMILY ENVISIONED IS EXACTLY THIS.

EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING. AND SO I REALLY I REALLY LIKE IT.

IT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

YES. WELL WE'RE JUST GOING TO SCROLL DOWN. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE CLARA.

[3. Discussion and possible action on Freedom Park schematic designs.]

YES. SO JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW BEFORE WE LOOK AT THOSE PLANS.

BURDETT HAS DEVELOPED TWO SCHEMATIC DESIGNS FOR THE FREEDOM PARK EXPANSION.

THESE ARE BASED ON EXISTING SITE CONSTRAINTS, SO WE'VE HAD SOME GEOTECHNICAL AND SURVEY WORK DONE, AND THERE ARE SOME PROS AND CONS TO EACH. AND SO IN CONCEPT A THIS IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND WE'LL PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. THE PROS ARE ACTIVATES MORE OF THE SPACE THROUGH EXTENDED SIDEWALKS, CREATES MORE ADA ACCESSIBLE POINTS FROM THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND TO THE EXISTING BATTING CAGES WORKS BETTER WITH THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY.

THERE'S ONE LARGE BERM ADA ACCESS FROM EXISTING PARKING AND PLAYGROUND EXISTS IN CONCEPT A AND A BETTER FIT FOR FUTURE 200 FOOT FIELDS. THERE WILL BE TWO. IF YOU RECALL THE FREEDOM PARK MASTER PLAN TO THE WEST OF THIS LOCATION.

THE CONS ARE THAT THERE ARE MORE CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, SO PROBABLY NOT ORIGINALLY IN THE PLAN.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PLAN.

CONCEPT B THE PROS ARE LESS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, OPTIMAL FIELD LAYOUT BASED ON MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS.

SO THIS LOOKS MORE OF LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT.

HOWEVER, THE CONS ARE THERE'S LESS ACTIVATION OF THE ACTUAL SITE.

THERE'S TWO SEPARATED BERMS TO AVOID AVOID EXISTING TREES, AND THERE'S A TIGHT FIT FOR THE FUTURE 200 FOOT FIELDS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARK.

SO WE ARE JUST SEEKING INPUT ON THE TWO PLANS.

SO YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR PACKET AGAIN ON YOUR TABLET, AND THEN ALSO A LARGER SCALE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ON A PEER INSTEAD.

AND WE'RE JUST SOLICITING YOUR FEEDBACK HERE FOR RECOMMENDATION I THINK IS A NO BRAINER.

I THINK THE FIRST ONE, BUT CONCEPT A, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK OF MORE SIDEWALKS AS A NEGATIVE.

I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

AND REALLY, I THINK, TO ALLOW FOR EXPANSION. I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO FEEL THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

I MEAN, WHY LIMIT YOURSELF? AND YEAH. SO WHY DID YOU PUT THE SIDEWALK IN A AND NOT IN B? I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT IN EITHER ONE. SO YES, BESIDE THE SIDEWALK GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK ON EITHER ON EITHER PLAN. THE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE ON ASIDE FROM THE SIDEWALK IS THE ORIENTATION OF THE FIELD.

SO THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN HAD IT FACING DIRECTLY NORTH.

AND THAT WAS A REQUEST AT ONE POINT, I DON'T RECALL ALL THE SPECIFICS, BUT THAT WAS A REQUEST DURING THE MASTER PLANNING PHASE AND

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BUT YES, THE SIDEWALK ITSELF CAN BE ON EITHER ONE.

I AGREE WITH CLAIRE. I THINK THAT PLAN A FITS IN THERE BETTER.

IT'S A BETTER USE OF SPACE. BASEBALL FIELD SHOULD BE ORIENTED.

NORTHEAST IS WHAT I'M TOLD BY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS. I'M THINKING THE OUTFIELD IS GOING TO BE SEEING THE SUN.

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELDS ARE USUALLY ORIENTED FROM PITCHER'S MOUND TO SECOND BASE FIRST IN NORTHEAST BECAUSE OF THE SUN.

BECAUSE OF THE SUN. SO THAT MEANS THE OUTFIELD GETS THE WHO GETS THE SUN? THE RIGHT FIELD IS GOING TO GET A LITTLE MORE SUN.

BUT THE IMPORTANT PART IS THE BATTER NEVER GETS THE DIRECT SUN.

YEAH. IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THERE I THINK.

YEAH. SO AND THE WAY IT FITS IN THERE AND ALLOWS SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL FIELDS, I THINK LIKE CLAIRE SAID, I THINK A'S THE WAY TO GO. THEY WERE COOL SUNGLASSES ANYWAY.

ARE YOU GOING TO WEAR THOSE? NO MATTER WHAT. YEAH, RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THE EXPANSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS? WELL, SAME. SAME FOR ME. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO KEEP PLANNING FOR EXPANSION.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO FIT MORE BECAUSE EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO COME UP AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT.

SO I AGREE WITH A AS WELL. SO THIS ONE I WOULD REALLY BECAUSE THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE A LOT QUICKER WITH THIS ONE THAN WE WILL ABIGAIL, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE MASTER PLAN AND ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN.

SO STAFF IS SEEKING A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN TAKE TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL ONCE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THIS PLAN.

LET'S SAY THEY GO WITH OPTION A, AS YOU ALL HAVE RECOMMENDED.

THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER ON THE DESIGN AND REALLY CRANK OUT THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT.

SO AT ONE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING OVER THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

IS THAT NOT PART OF THIS? I DO, WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THAT AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THE BUDGET.

SO THAT'S STILL. OH, IT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN.

MOST CERTAINLY IT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE ALLOCATION FOR THE DEBT ISSUANCE SPECIFICALLY WAS WHAT WAS NOTED IN THIS EXPANSION WAS THE FIELD, THE BLEACHERS, THE DUGOUT.

AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IT. YES. AND ADA ACCESSIBILITY.

SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A VOTE ON THIS? WE ARE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PLAN A.

SECOND, THE MOTION, A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. ALL APPROVED. SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? I THINK THAT ONE UNANIMOUS AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU.

THAT WAS EASY. THAT WAS. THAT WAS EASY. AWESOME.

OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR COST RECOVERY POLICY.

[4. Discussion on proposed updates to the Angleton Parks & Recreation Department Cost Recovery policy.]

I KNOW, JUST LIKE I TOLD MEGAN, I WAS LIKE, THAT WAS AN EASY ONE TO APPROVE, AND I GOT TO FOLLOW THAT UP. I KNOW YEAH.

SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR US? I MEAN, JUST THAT WE GIVE YOU INPUT.

I MEAN, YEAH, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SPIEL, AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT AND EXPLAIN THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES. SO THAT WAY I KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT'S IN HERE, BUT I WANT TO SHOW THAT THE STAFF ARE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO GO THROUGH THAT.

SO, ALL YOU CAN ALL SEE IN YOUR EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW COST RECOVERY CAME TO BE WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH OUR MASTER PLAN AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2019. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT A COST RECOVERY.

SO IT WAS IDENTIFIED TO BE ABLE TO REQUEST STAFF USE THAT SAME FORETHOUGHT AS THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR MASTER PLAN. HOW DO WE INCLUDE COST RECOVERY INTO THAT? SO OUR MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED, AND THEN WE TOOK ON THE INITIATIVE TO WORK WITH GREEN PLAY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL.

AND SO WE WENT THROUGH STAFF, WENT THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED A COST RECOVERY MODEL.

SO YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET AS WE GO THROUGH, I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED AND WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. THIS PAST AUGUST IN 2024, WE HAD A COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT COST RECOVERY.

AND WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT UP TO COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED US TO LOOK AT IS IDENTIFYING WAYS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAD TO INCREASE OUR COST RECOVERY, AND REALLY SPECIFICALLY THE DIRECT OR INDIRECT COSTS.

SO, OUR PREVIOUS COST RECOVERY THAT WE HAVE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED IS DIRECT COST ONLY.

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THOSE ARE VERY SPECIFIC DIRECT COSTS. THOSE ARE WHAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED.

AS WE LOOK AT OUR FEE SCHEDULE TO IDENTIFY WHAT PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO COST, WHAT EVENTS ARE GOING TO COST DIRECT FEES ONLY? OKAY. WHAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE IS INDIRECT COSTS.

SO THINGS LIKE THE FACILITY, WHEN YOU USE A ROOM IN THE FACILITY, IT TAKES AWAY FROM EITHER REVENUE FROM A RENTAL.

IT COSTS MONEY TO TURN THE LIGHTS ON. IT COSTS MONEY TO HAVE STAFF THERE.

IF IT IS FOR A PROGRAM, IT COSTS MONEY FOR THAT PROGRAMMER TO DEVELOP THAT PROGRAM.

OR IF AN EVENT THERE'S LEAD UP, THERE'S PLANNING TIME, THERE'S A BUILD UP TO THAT EVENT.

SO THERE ARE STAFF HOURS THAT ARE PUT INTO THAT EVENT THAT ARE NOT JUST THE DAY OF FOR THE PROGRAM.

AND SO WE WERE MISSING SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO HAVE A FULL COST RECOVERY MODEL.

SO STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT. I'M GOING TO GIVE THE SHOUT OUT TO JERRY. THIS HAS BEEN HER BABY TO GO THROUGH.

FIRST ROUND ONE AND NOW ROUND TWO. SO I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS AS WE GO THROUGH.

I'M JUST A PART OF IT. SO AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, I'M GOING TO KIND OF TRY TO AGAIN SUM UP THE BEST I CAN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GO WE TALKED ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF IT, WHICH IS ON PAGE 21.

IF YOU WERE TO GO TO PAGE 22, THAT ONE TALKS ABOUT THE PYRAMID, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.

SO GREEN PLAY WAS UTILIZED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRY STANDARD AS FAR AS COST RECOVERY GOES.

SO THIS KIND OF BREAKS DOWN THE TERMINOLOGY THAT COMES WITH THAT. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS COST RECOVERY? THE WAY IT'S BROKEN DOWN IS INTO MULTIPLE TIERS.

SO YOUR FIRST TIER IS MOSTLY COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

SECOND IS CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. THIRD IS A BALANCE BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL AND COMMUNITY.

FOURTH IS CONSIDERABLE INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT. AND THEN FIVE IS MOSTLY INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT.

SO THE REASON YOU RANK THEM LIKE THAT IS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE'RE IN THE INDUSTRY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE GREATER GOOD FOR THE FULL COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR FIRST TIER. SO, IT'S MOSTLY COMMUNITY BENEFIT. SO IT IS THE GREATER GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD FALL INTO A TIER ONE VERSUS THE VERY TOP TIER IS A SMALLER TIER IS MOSTLY INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT.

AND SO THAT IS A ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP, IF YOU WILL.

THAT ONE PERSON IS REALLY GETTING THE BENEFIT FROM THAT VERSUS IT BEING FOR THE FULL COMMUNITY.

SO IF YOU GO INTO YOUR NEXT PAGE ON 2023, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO BREAK IT DOWN.

AND WE'VE PROVIDED SOME UPDATES THAT COME WITH THIS.

KEEP GOING. SO THIS IS YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO, THIS IS IDENTIFIES WHERE THINGS WOULD FALL AS FAR AS THOSE BENEFITS GO.

AND THEN WHERE OUR COST RECOVERY WOULD FALL WITHIN THOSE.

SO IT'S TIERED OUT BETWEEN A0A 25 PLUS A 50 PLUS A 100 PLUS AND A 150 PLUS.

THAT PLUS JUST MEANS THAT IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT TO WHERE IT'S AT.

IF IT WAS A 50%, IT DOESN'T JUST MEAN IT'S 50%.

WE WOULD RANGE BETWEEN THAT 50 TO 100%. SO EACH PROGRAM IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I MEAN SUPPLY AND DEMAND COMES INTO THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROGRAM IS.

AND SO IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF THAT LEEWAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT AT LEAST THE MINIMUM OF THAT PERCENTAGE THAT WOULD FALL INTO.

SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ME. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO IDENTIFY.

HERE IS OUR CURRENT PROGRAMS AND OFFERINGS FOR PARKS AND REC AND WHERE THINGS WOULD FALL IN THERE.

SO AGAIN, AS YOU'LL LOOK AT IT, MOST OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE HAS A CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

JUST LIKE THAT TIER ASPECT. IT IMPACTS MORE PEOPLE.

A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT FALL WITHIN HERE ARE SENIOR PROGRAMS. WE HAVE OUR ADAPTIVE PROGRAMS IN HERE AS WELL.

AND THEN SOME OF OUR EVENTS FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY AS WELL.

YOU'LL GO UP TO TIER TWO. AND THIS ONE IS A LOT OF OUR YOUTH PROGRAMING.

WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT OUR SENIOR TRIPS WOULD ACTUALLY FALL INTO THE 25%.

SO CURRENTLY THERE IS ZERO COST FOR SENIOR TRIP OR ZERO COST FOR SENIOR PROGRAMS UNLESS THERE IS A VERY DIRECT COST.

SO EXAMPLE ON THAT ONE IS AN OVERNIGHT TRIP. OVERNIGHT TRIP THEY GO IF THEY'RE GOING AND STAYING OVERNIGHT AT THE HOTEL, THEY PAY FOR THE HOTEL COST. IT JUST GOES THROUGH US.

SO WHATEVER WE'RE CHARGED, IF IT'S $100, WE CHARGE THAT TO THE SENIORS.

SO THEY PAY $100 FOR THAT. IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO ON AN EXCURSION AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO ON A TOUR OR THEY'RE ON THAT TRIP, THEY WILL PAY FOR THAT TOUR COST. SO THERE'S VERY DIRECT THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE BUS THAT THEY TAKE.

THEY DON'T PAY FOR THE BUS DRIVER THAT DRIVES THEM THERE.

WE REQUIRE THAT ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBER GOES, SO DEPENDING ON IF IT'S ONE BUS OR TWO WE WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBER THAT GOES.

SO THERE'S SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT AREN'T COVERED WITHIN THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE ASSOCIATED WITH IT WORKING OUR WAY.

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WE'RE PROPOSING THAT HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT MAY COME FROM THAT.

MOST OF THEIR DAY TO DAY PROGRAMING. SO WE HAVE PROGRAMING DONE ON TUESDAYS.

WE HAVE LUNCH AND LEARN. WE HAVE POTLUCK, WE HAVE SOCIALS, WE HAVE DIFFERENT EVENTS.

THEY DON'T HAVE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CURRENTLY.

SO THAT WOULD STILL FALL UNDER THE SAME ONE VERSUS AN OVERNIGHT TRIP REALLY FALLS A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO AN INDIVIDUAL BENEFIT VERSUS IT BEING COMMUNITY WIDE, IF YOU WILL. SENIORS, DO WE HAVE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS? WHAT WOULD YOU ESTIMATE? ARE WE IN THE? OVERALL.

SO WE IF YOU WERE SAYING ON ARE YOU ASKING LIKE FOR TRIPS SPECIFICALLY OR, YOU KNOW, OVERALL ALL THESE SENIOR EVENTS.

WHAT HOW MANY SENIORS ARE TAKING. I WOULD SAY YOU AVERAGE OVERALL WE IF YOU WERE TO GET THEM ALL IN A GROUP I WOULD SAY ABOUT 100 ON AN AVERAGE TUESDAY YOU CAN WALK INTO THE ROOM AND IT'S GOING TO RANGE ON A DAILY.

ON TUESDAY, IT CAN RANGE FROM ABOUT 15 TO 30 THAT WE GET WEEKLY FOR ACTIVITIES AND ALL.

LIKE HE SAID, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S PROBABLY AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 30 TO 40 OF THEM THAT COME ON THE WEEKLY STUFF, THE MONTHLY STUFF THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ROUTINELY, BUT THE PARTIES AND THE TRIPS AND ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, YOU PUT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ABOUT A HUNDRED OF THEM, OKAY.

TYPICALLY, WITH THAT, WITH OUR TRIPS. SO IT'S BASED ON CAPACITY FOR THE BUS AND DEPENDING ON WHICH IF IT'S ONE BUS, TWO BUS OR COORDINATED, THEY'RE TYPICALLY FILLED.

AND SO THAT'S USUALLY 20 PLUS THAT ARE ABLE TO GO ON THOSE UNLESS IT'S A DAY TRIP THAT IS WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE TWO BUSSES.

THEN WE TYPICALLY MAX OUT AT ABOUT 40 TO 45. TIER THREE IS YOUTH CAMP.

SO, IT HAS A BENEFIT FOR INDIVIDUAL BUT ALSO GREATER COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

SO THAT'S SHOWING A 50% COST RECOVERY. AND THEN SO ON AND SO FORTH, WORKING YOUR WAY UP FROM THERE AS FAR AS THE TIERS GO.

AGAIN THIS IDENTIFIES CURRENT PROGRAMS. SO THIS ISN'T SAYING WE'RE ADOPTING THAT.

THIS IS ALL THE PROGRAMS. WE'RE ONLY DOING THIS IS JUST TO HELP KIND OF SHOW AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THINGS WOULD FALL IN FOLLOWING THE SAME, SIMILAR RUBRIC AS WE GO THROUGH THAT STAFF WOULD.

THEY CAME UP WITH A NEW PROGRAM. THEY WOULD FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BENEFIT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY WITHIN THAT TIER, AND THEN THEIR PROGRAM WOULD FALL WITHIN THAT TIER AS WELL.

SO WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF YOUTH THAT PARTICIPATE IN THOSE CAMPS? SO SUMMER CAMP THIS YEAR IS PROPOSED TO BE A MAX OF 40.

CORRECT. THIS YEAR IT WOULD ACCEPT 40 INDIVIDUALS.

THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THAT. AND THEN SO AGAIN TIER FOUR AND TIER FIVE.

AGAIN, TIER FIVE IS MOSTLY INDIVIDUAL BENEFITS.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE SWIM LESSONS. IF WE HAD PERSONAL TRAINING THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED AS WELL.

FACILITY RENTALS LIKE THERE'S A COST OF DOING ALL THAT.

SO, I KEEP GOING FOR ME. ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE POLICY PER SE, HOW THAT WORKS AS FAR AS THE INCLUSION, MOST OF IT IS VERY SIMILAR. THE LAST THING I WILL POINT OUT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING A MEMBER VERSUS NON MEMBER COST.

WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THAT TO BE A STANDARD COST.

SO IF YOU ARE A MEMBER, YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN EXACT DISCOUNT THAT GOES WITH IT.

SO OUR FEES WOULD BE BASED ON A FEE. AND THEN IF YOU'RE A MEMBER YOU WOULD GET A REDUCED FEE THAT COMES WITH THAT.

I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO CONSIDERING HAVING SOME MORE COSTS INCLUDED AND STUFF, WHAT I DID HAVE A QUESTION OF WAS JUST KIND OF PERTAINING TO THINGS THAT MAYBE HAVE HEAVIER PRICE TAGS.

AND I SAY HEAVY. I ONLY MEAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAY IT'S $100.

BUT FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ON LIMITED INCOME, SOCIAL SECURITY, DISABILITY, WHATEVER, THAT COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

DO WE HAVE ANY PROGRAMS THAT EXIST EXISTS NOW WHERE SOMEBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY OVER TIME TO BE INCLUDED IN ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS? AND WOULD THAT BENEFIT THEM TO HAVE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INFLATION OF COST, OR COULD THAT EVEN POSSIBLY ADD MORE PARTICIPANTS TO SOMETHING IF THEY HAVE? BECAUSE WE KIND OF LIVE IN A PAYING FOR WORLD RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO ON, I'VE SEEN WHEN I'M CHECKING OUT I MEAN, EVEN ON LUXURY LIKE LOUIS VUITTON HAS KLARNA, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT STATE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD POTENTIALLY SEE A HIGHER POSSIBILITY OF SIGNUPS OR IF ADDING MORE COSTS, BUT GIVING THEM AN AMOUNT OF TIME TO PAY THAT COST MIGHT HELP WITH RETENTION AND, AND THEN EVEN ADDITIONAL PARTICIPANTS. AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

I WILL SAY ONE OF THE HESITATIONS THAT WOULD COME FROM THAT IS SOME OF LIKE, LET'S TAKE TRIPS, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. WE HAVE A CASINO TRIP THAT'S COMING UP THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON THAT SELLS OUT PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND SO WHEN SOME OF THE THINGS ARE REGISTRATION BASED, IF THEY DON'T MEET THEIR FINANCIAL COMMITMENT,

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SO SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS REQUIRE A MINIMUM. SO IF THAT PERSON DOESN'T ISN'T ABLE TO IT'S KIND OF LOOKING AT IT.

DO WE THEN KEEP THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE INVESTED INTO IT? I MEAN YEAH, ESSENTIALLY. AND I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW TOO, BUT. 100%.

HAVE A DUE DATE BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE GIVING YOU TWO MONTHS ADVANCE, BUT IT HAS TO BE DUE A MONTH IN ADVANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BOOK EVERYTHING. BUT YOU'RE STILL GIVING THAT TIME.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A CANCELLATION, I ASSUME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A CANCELLATION POLICY ANYWAY.

SO IF YOU'RE STILL RUNNING OFF THAT SAME THING, IF THIS FINAL PAYMENT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, DUE BY THIS DAY, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THAT SPOT TO ANOTHER PARTICIPANT AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE DEPOSIT. AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW, BUT IF WE'RE ALREADY DOING A NONREFUNDABLE, OH, ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, CANCELLATION, ETC., THEN, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER PLACES. EXAMPLE. I KNOW SOME CAMPS REQUIRE A DEPOSIT.

YOU DON'T PAY IN FULL, BUT SOME CAMPS REQUIRE YOU TO BOOK SO FAR IN ADVANCE.

AND IF YOU DON'T BOOK, YOU DON'T GET THAT SPOT.

THEY REQUIRE A DEPOSIT PUT DOWN, AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE YOUR SPOT OR YOU CANCEL, THEN THEY RETAIN YOUR DEPOSIT.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A FEW THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT QUITE SENIOR. I FEEL IT, BUT I'M NOT JUST QUITE. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T IF YOU'RE SAYING THEY SELL OUT QUICKLY, THEN OBVIOUSLY THOSE KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCES DON'T REALLY NEED IT.

YOU KNOW, I WAS MORE THINKING IF, IF IT WASN'T HAD, YOU KNOW, GAPS TO FILL, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT HELP THAT. AND THE SECOND THING I WILL MENTION WITH THAT IS WE DO OFFER HAVE A SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM.

SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT OR AT THAT TIME THAT THEY COULD APPLY FOR A SCHOLARSHIP, THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY APPLY IT TO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO WE HAVE THAT FOR BOTH FOR THE FACILITY AND FOR OUR PROGRAMS. SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE AS WELL. YEP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THAT AT THE MOMENT.

OKAY. KEEP GOING DOWN. WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO ONE OF THE EXAMPLES.

SO THIS IS WHERE KIND OF GETS CONFUSING. LIKE YOU SAID CLAIRE, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE.

SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO RUN THROUGH THIS AND LET YOU ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU NEED TO.

HOPEFULLY I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO ALLEVIATE AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE.

SO THIS IS A BLANK ONE. YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM. WE WANT TO PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I WILL MENTION IS IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT A AND B ARE HERE.

AND YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT A AND B ARE ALSO AT THE TOP.

SO THE REASON FOR THIS IS IF YOU ENVISION THE STUFF THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM HERE, THIS IS THE TABULATION THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU AT THE TOP.

AND SO THE TOP IS THE CLEANER VERSION OF ALL THOSE THINGS ADDED INTO PLACE HERE.

SO IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE SALARIES, IF THERE WAS MULTIPLE THINGS, IF IT WAS FULL TIME STAFF, IT WAS PART TIME STAFF. MAYBE THERE WAS CONTRACT INSTRUCTORS THAT WENT WITH THAT.

ALL THOSE WOULD BE TABULATED DOWN HERE AND BROKEN DOWN AND THEN WOULD FORMULATE BACK UP AT THE TOP HERE.

SAME THING AGAIN, PART TIME STAFF AS YOU GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I POINT THAT OUT FIRST IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH IT IT'LL SHOW THAT BREAKDOWN.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO JUMP DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE AND I'LL SHOW A REAL EXAMPLE.

SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ACTUALLY GO DOWN TO PAGE.

31 MOST RELEVANT AT THE TIME. SO THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY FOR SUMMER CAMP.

IS ON PAGE 31. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE TABULATIONS AND EVERYTHING BEING CALCULATED DOWN HERE.

AS FAR AS WHAT LOOKING AT STAFFING HOURS, WHAT IT IS FOR PART TIME STAFF.

THOSE TOTALS THEN ADD UP TO REFLECT EVERYTHING BACK UP TO THE TOP HERE.

SO IF WE WERE GOING DOWN THE LIST, WE WOULD HAVE OUR FULL TIME STAFF SALARIES THAT WOULD INCLUDE PLANNING TIME.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE SPECIFIC TIME THAT'S SPENT AT THE CAMP.

ALL OF THAT IS TABULATED TO GO INTO HERE. PART TIME STAFF IS THE SAME THING.

PART TIME STAFF HAVE TRAINING HOURS. THEY COME IN AND THEY HAVE TIME SPENT PRIOR TO CAMP TO GET THEM PREPARED FOR IT.

ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THEIR CERTIFICATIONS, THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO HOST A QUALITY CAMP.

ALL OF THAT IS TABULATED TO GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER AT THE TOP.

THE BENEFITS, AS WE KNOW, FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, THEY RECEIVE WHETHER IT BE HAVING TO PAY FOR FICA, THEY GET INSURANCE, THEY HAVE IF THEY HAVE OVERTIME THAT COMES WITH IT.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT COULD PLAY INTO THE BENEFIT SIDE.

WE'RE TAKING A PERCENTAGE OF THAT TO HELP RECOVER SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

SO THAT AGAIN GOES BACK TO THAT INDIRECT COST.

PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. IF WE PAY A FEE FOR ANY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHETHER IT BE A CONTRACTOR OR IF WE HAVE ENTERTAINMENT COME IN, WE'RE CAPTURING THAT HERE AS WELL. WE HAVE OUR SUPPLIES COST THAT COMES IN HERE.

THAT IS ONE YOU'LL SEE FARTHER DOWN. YOU WON'T SEE IT ON THE BOTTOM HERE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR DOWN.

BUT ANY SUPPLIES THAT WE HAVE FOR CAMP, WE ARE TABULATING THAT IN THERE THAT IF WE HAVE CRAFTS,

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WE ARE WORKING ON AN AGREEMENT WITH ANGLETON SCHOOL DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR BUSSES, BUT THERE IS A COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED. SO WE CALCULATE THAT PLAYBOOK.

WE DO ADVERTISING, WE HAVE MARKETING. AND SO WE CAPTURE THAT COST AS WELL.

THAT IS AN INDIRECT COST THAT ISN'T ALWAYS SEEN.

SO WE HAVE A COST THAT IS TABULATED TO GO WITH THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC ROOMS THAT MIGHT BE DEDICATED TO THEM, WE TRY TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT AS WELL.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IF THEY'RE UTILIZING SPACE, IT MAY TAKE AWAY FROM RENTAL REVENUE IN A CERTAIN SPACE.

SO WE TRY TO TABULATE THAT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE MAXIMIZING WHAT THE COST IS FOR THIS PROGRAM.

YOU'LL GET YOUR FULL TOTAL THAT COMES THROUGH.

AND THEN I CAN SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT FOR ME.

THANK YOU. SO YOU'LL SEE YOUR SUBTOTAL HERE. AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE COST.

SO THAT CAPTURES ALL THESE EXTRAS THAT COME WITH IT.

FRONT DESK. FRONT DESK IS NOT TABULATED IN THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIC TO THE PROGRAM, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO REGISTER THEM FOR THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? WHETHER THAT BE ONE FRONT DESK OR A FULL TIME STAFF MEMBER.

IF THERE'S COST TO TURN THE LIGHTS ON, THERE'S COST TO RUN OUR PROGRAM.

WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR SOFTWARES. THAT'S KIND OF A BASE PERCENTAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WOULD HELP INCUR SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL INDIRECT COSTS AS ARE TABULATED THERE. AND THEN YOU GET YOUR SUBTOTAL THAT COMES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM HERE.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE IT ALL CRAZY AND, AND SHOW YOU THE LAST PART OF THAT.

SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE MIDDLE HERE, THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO GIVE US THE SPIT OUT OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE CHARGING FOR OUR FOR CAMP, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL. SO BASED ON THE DIFFERENT TIERS, WHETHER IT FALLS ON A 25, 50, 75 OR 100 OR 150, JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THOSE ARE OUR TIERS IDENTIFIED OUT.

IT HELPS GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT COST IS ATTRIBUTED FOR THIS WOULD BE.

THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS IF WE LOOK TO RUN A PROGRAM, WE MIGHT FIND OUT, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT COST BEFORE, IT MIGHT COST. IT MIGHT SOME IT MAY COST SOMEBODY $400 TO REGISTER FOR A PROGRAM.

EXAMPLE I GAVE IS THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL REACHED OUT AND WANTED TO DO A BIKING PROGRAM WITH US. AND AS WE TALKED THROUGH IT, THE COST HAS CONTINUED TO ADD UP. AND WE WERE LIKE, THERE IS NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A RETURN ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE. AND SO IT WAS ONE WE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH BECAUSE IT JUST DIDN'T FIT THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

AND UTILIZING THIS AS SOMETHING THAT HELPS THAT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE FALLING WITHIN OUR COST RECOVERY BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE SOMETHING BACK AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROGRAM IS. SO IT HELPS YOU IDENTIFY WHERE THAT IS.

SO. EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE WITH THAT ONE IS IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE IN THE REC 50%.

WHAT? RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THIS AND THIS NEW CALCULATION FORMULA THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO USE SAYS CAMPS SHOULD BE ABOUT $164.

UP AT THE TOP HERE IS YOU'LL SEE OUR CURRENT PRICE IS 125.

REALISTICALLY, THAT'S NOT THAT FAR OFF. WE ALSO GO ON TWO FIELD TRIPS, WHICH IS NOT COMMON FOR A LOT OF CAMPS.

AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WELL, MAYBE IF WE REDUCE ONE AND ONLY GO ON ONE, BUT TO PAY FOR A FULL WEEK CAMP AND PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS TWO FIELD TRIPS AND THE EXPERIENCE AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH THAT, A COST RECOVERY INCREASE OF TO GET TO THE 50% THAT HAS INDIRECT COSTS IS AN UNREALISTIC TO LOOK AT. AND SO IT HELPS YOU TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE AND WHERE THEY CAN FALL.

AND HOW CAN WE REDUCE COSTS? WHAT CAN WE CUT OUT? WHAT CAN WE ADD. SO YOU HAVE A RUBRIC TO BE ABLE TO PLAY WITH, TO SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE IT'S AFFORDABLE? BECAUSE EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF WE WERE GOING TO A 75% COST RECOVERY.

$250 FOR A CAMP HERE MIGHT BE EXPENSIVE FOR SOME.

WHAT IS THE AS FAR AS SO FAR FOR THE CAMPS? WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I SEE THE EXPECTED IS 240.

IS THAT SO THIS IS A THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

SO THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE CAMP. SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THE FULL EIGHT WEEK CAMP.

CALCULATING THAT OUT BECAUSE IT RUNS FOR THE FULL EIGHT WEEKS RIGHT.

WE CAN'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT IT COMPLETELY WEEK TO WEEK FOR ALL OF THEM.

AND SO THIS WOULD BE AT THAT 40%, 40 PEOPLE SELLING OUT THE SPOTS TRADITIONALLY WHEN IT'S POSTED.

DO YOU HAVE LIKE A TIMEFRAME? CAMP USUALLY TAKES A LITTLE BIT.

LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID IT BY MAY, WE POSTED A LITTLE BIT LATER, WHICH WAS LAST YEAR.

WE DID POST A LITTLE BIT LATER. WHICH WAS AROUND MAY.

WE DID FILL UP ON ALL OF OUR JUNE MONTH WEEKS.

AND THEN JULY. JULY IS A LITTLE BIT. A LOT OF FAMILIES GO ON VACATION IN JULY, BUT WE DID HAVE A REALLY GOOD WE MAY NOT HAVE HIT MAX, BUT WE WERE CLOSE TO IT ON JULY'S WEEKS. AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THAT'S EIGHT, YOU THINK ABOUT IT EIGHT WEEKS OF CAMP AND CAMP RUN.

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AND THEN CAMP TRADITIONALLY IS NORMAL CAMP, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY CAMP.

REGULAR HOURS ARE FROM 8 A.M. UNTIL 4 P.M.. WE DO OFFER EXTENDED CARE, WHICH IS 730 DROP OFF AND PICK UP AT 530.

SO THAT'S BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT IF YOU WANT TO ADD ON THE EXTENDED CARE, YOU CAN.

BUT YOU THINK THAT'S FROM 8 A.M. TO 4 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT WEEKS.

SO KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT THE TIME FRAME OF HOW LONG WE DO HAVE THE CHILDREN AND HOW, LIKE HE SAID, THE CARE THAT GOES INTO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING STANDARDS OF CARE. WE ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT ARE KEEPING THEIR EYES ON THEM AND ALL, WHICH IS INCURRED INTO THE. HOW MUCH IS DAYCARE FOR A WEEK? I HAD NO IDEA THESE DAYS. JUST CURIOUS. IT CAN VARY.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE DAYCARE YOU GO TO AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

THIS IS WAY LESS THAN DAYCARE, RIGHT? IT DEPENDS ON THE DAYCARE.

OKAY. YEAH. USUALLY THEY'RE PROBABLY I MEAN, SOME OF THEM CAN BE RIGHT AROUND THIS, BUT THEY MAY NOT GO ON FIELD TRIPS.

THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE SAME OFFERING. THEY'RE USUALLY STUCK IN ONE ROOM.

YEAH. YEAH. AND SO, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOURS.

THEY HAD A SPLASH PAD. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIELD TRIPS.

AND IT ABSOLUTELY COULD. YES. YES. WE CAN SAVE MONEY.

HEY. 100%. THE OTHER THING I WILL POINT OUT WITH THIS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT NUMBER, THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THAT MEMBER NONMEMBER ONE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT COST RECOVERY.

SO THIS WOULD BE A MEMBER PRICE WHEREAS A NONMEMBER PRICE WOULD HAVE A HIGHER COST ASSOCIATED.

WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MEMBERSHIPS BUT STAY WITHIN OUR COST RECOVERY.

BECAUSE IF IT WAS A NONMEMBER PRICE AND THEN WE GAVE A DISCOUNT THAT WOULD THROW US OUT OF COST RECOVERY.

QUESTION. WELL, THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION IS BECAUSE I FAILED TO MENTION THIS PREVIOUSLY.

SO WE DID BRING THIS TO ABLC AND SENIOR COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM THAT WAS MAINLY POSITIVE. THE BIGGEST ONE WAS SENIOR COMMISSION WAS TO EXPLORE OPTIONS OF NOT HAVING THAT 25% INCREASE FOR THE SENIORS, OR THAT THEM FALL WITHIN THAT 25% CATEGORY IS LOOKING AT THINGS OF CAN WE DO LIKE A BUS FEE OR A GAS FEE OR TRANSPORTATION FEE? ANYBODY THAT WOULD UTILIZE TRANSPORTATION, ADDING THAT COST IN.

VERSUS THE OTHER ROUTES. SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HAD. SO THEY WANTED TO BRING IT DOWN TO THAT TIER ONE. THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BACK INTO A TIER ONE.

AND AGAIN, PART OF THE PIECE THAT COMES TO THAT.

SO WHEN WE FIRST PRESENTED IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, 25% IS WHERE IT WAS AND COUNCIL BROUGHT IT TO ZERO.

YES, I THINK WE HAD IT AT LIKE 100% JUST BECAUSE IT'S LIMITED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE.

YES. SO WE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL.

THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE FEE ASSOCIATED, BUT COUNCIL MADE THE DETERMINATION AND SAID NO, THEY DIDN'T WANT ANY COST TO BE INCURRED UNLESS IT WAS VERY DIRECT COST.

SO AGAIN IF YOU'RE UTILIZING A HOTEL YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOUR HOTEL ROOM.

WE'RE JUST KIND OF THE MIDDLEMAN BUT NOTHING ELSE ADDITIONAL TO THAT.

I WILL POINT OUT, ONE OF THE REASONS THIS WAS IS BROUGHT UP IS IF YOU LOOK AT COST RECOVERY FOR OUR DEPARTMENTS THE CURRENT COST RECOVERY FOR THE REC DIVISION IS OVERALL FULL DIVISION IS ONLY ABOUT ABOUT 10% OF THEIR FULL BUDGET.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE FULL THING SITS AT. AND THE REC CENTER IS ABOUT 50% COST RECOVERY.

SO IT KIND OF THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT CAME AS WELL FULL DEPARTMENTS IS COST RECOVERY.

SO THAT MEANS WE'RE ABLC IS SUBSIDIZING ABOUT 90% OF THE REC DIVISION TO MAKE PROGRAMS HAPPEN.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF IT CAME BACK IN, IS HOW CAN YOU IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL THINGS TO BRING BACK OR BRING BACK MONEY TO HELP LOWER THE SUBSIDY TO NOT BE SO HIGH? SO YEAH, I WAS I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, THAT SILVER HEART TRIPS WAS IN TIER TWO AND NOT HIGHER.

BUT I SEE THAT THEY'RE PAYING DIRECTLY FOR HOTEL ROOMS OR MEALS.

SO THAT YES, IT WOULDN'T FIT INTO THIS FORM EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.

EXACTLY. AND SO THERE WILL BE SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT ARE STILL DIRECT COST.

IT WOULDN'T BE IF THEIR HOTEL ROOM WAS $100, THEY WOULDN'T BE PAYING $25 HOTEL ROOM.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED OUTSIDE OF LIKE YOUR HOTEL ROOM OR A TICKET FEE.

WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING THE COST OF THE TICKET BECAUSE THAT PART IS THE VERY INDIVIDUAL ONE.

SO THAT STILL STAYS AT 100% OF YOU GO TO THE MOVIES, IT'S $10, YOU'RE PAYING $10.

BUT WE HAVEN'T PAID FOR THE STAFF THAT ARE THERE THE TRANSPORTATION, THE PLANNING.

ALL THOSE WOULD BE THESE VEHICLES OR DO WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT CARRY THEM? SO WE CURRENTLY IN OUR FLEETS FOR THE REC DIVISION, WE OWN ONE BUS AND THEN WE LEASE ONE BUS.

SO WE PAY A LEASE FEE CURRENTLY. YEAH. SO THEN YOU'RE WILLING TO MAKE ME A PARKING SPOT AT BATES AND DICKEY? THAT'S THE SILVER HEART SPOT FOR $75 FOR THE SPRING SEASON, FOR FRONT ROW PARKING.

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I LIKE THAT. [INAUDIBLE] I KEEP TRYING TO FIND A FRONT ROW SPOT, YOU KNOW, FOR THESE TOURNAMENTS, AND NOBODY'S WILLING TO OFFER THEM. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. THE SILVER HEART SPONSOR SPOT.

CHRIS, COME ON, MAKE IT HAPPEN. CHRIS HAS ALREADY TAKEN THAT TURN.

I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO THE EXPERT. CHRIS. THOUGHTS, COMMENTS? LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE'S NO ACTION.

THIS IS JUST RECOMMENDATIONS TO PASS FORWARD, TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL.

BACK ON THAT PYRAMID, THAT WAS ON PAGE 19, I THINK.

I'M CURIOUS, THE TIER FIVE ADULT SWIM LESSONS.

IS THAT JUST HOW TO SWIM, OR IS THAT LIKE PERSONAL COACHING ON HOW TO SWIM FASTER? SO THAT ONE IS REALLY HOW TO SWIM? OKAY. YEAH.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT IS THE SAME AS YOU SWIM LESSONS.

I MEAN, OKAY, TEACHING AN ADULT HOW TO NOT DROWN IN A BACKYARD SWIMMING POOL IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO TEACHING KIDS THAT NOT DROWN IN A BACKYARD SWIMMING POOL.

I MEAN, REALLY, TWO OF THEM COULD BE LIKE, AS YOU MENTIONED, LIKE IF IT WAS COMPETITIVE FEEL, RIGHT? LIKE IF IT WAS A COMPETITIVE THING, I COULD SEE IT BEING TIER FIVE.

IF IT'S JUST A HOW TO SAVE YOUR LIFE IF YOU FALL IN THE WATER, I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SAME AS YOU SWIM LESSONS IN MY OPINION.

I ALSO THINK THE RED CROSS SKILLS CLASSES I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

I AGREE. IF YOU TAKE A CPR CLASS, YOU'RE NOT TAKING IT FOR YOURSELF.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY TWO THINGS. I'M GOING TO BACK UP TO THE ADULT SWIM LESSONS.

PART OF THE REASON FOR ADULT SWIM LESSONS CURRENTLY WITH THAT ONE. THAT IS A ONE ON ONE.

SO LIKE THEY WOULD BE STRUCTURED IN ONE ON ONE.

SO IT'S NOT A CLASS SETTING, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT MAYBE IT WAS A CLASS SETTING, I WOULD SAY IT PROBABLY WOULD FALL IN THAT LOWER TIER BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE EXPANDING THE COMMUNITY IMPACT. AND THAT'S WHERE LIKE WE EVALUATING THE TIERS IS FLUID, RIGHT? RIGHT. THE RED CROSS ONE. THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY WITH THIS ONE IS A THERE'S A DIRECT COST FOR GETTING CERTIFICATIONS.

AND B THAT DOESN'T YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT.

SO EXAMPLE IS LIKE A LIFEGUARD. SOMEBODY CAN COME GET A LIFEGUARD CERTIFICATION WITH US AND THEY GO WORK IN LAKE JACKSON.

THERE'S NO WAY TO WELL, THERE'S NO WAY TO KIND OF BREAK THAT.

SORRY. BECAUSE I'M, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS THE CPR LIKE HE WAS MENTIONING, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SEPARATION THERE.

IT HAS TO BE UNDER THAT SAME UMBRELLA OF RED CROSS, ESSENTIALLY.

AND THE REASON IT'S UNDERNEATH THERE IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TEACH. AND SO IT'S A RED CROSS CERTIFICATION. YEAH.

THAT'S FINE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT. OR IS THERE ALSO A FEE TO HIRE AN INSTRUCTOR TO TEACH THEM? WE HAVE INTERNAL INSTRUCTORS THAT JUST THE CERTIFICATION FEES.

YEAH. SO THE CERTIFICATE. YEAH. CERTIFICATION FEES.

AND I MEAN, IT'S FAIRLY MINIMAL ON THOSE. OH, MAN.

HUNTER, DO YOU REMEMBER ONE OF THE NUMBERS? I LIFEGUARDING I THINK WAS ONE 5125.

LIKE OURS IS PRETTY CHEAP IF COMPARED TO IF YOU WERE TO GO TO RED CROSS.

LIKE WE KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL. SO IT'S THEY'RE NOT HIGH FEES.

BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AS FAR AS THE BENEFIT THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE ACTUALLY CERTIFIED. AND JUST TO OFFER MORE CPR FIRST AID AED CLASSES TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I MEAN, IT MAKES THE COMMUNITY A BETTER, SAFER PLACE. OKAY.

IS THERE I WAS I'M KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT THIS.

IS THERE NOT A PROGRAM FOR I THINK I MIGHT HAVE EVEN BROUGHT THIS UP A LONG TIME AGO, JERRY.

WE MIGHT HAVE EVEN CROSSED PATHS WITH THIS. BUT LIKE FAMILIES THAT ARE ON MEDICAID OR HAVE PROOF OF MEDICAID OR SOMETHING OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW ALL THE NAMES.

BUT DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, LIKE, SHOW SOME SORT OF MAYBE LIKE PAPERWORK OR EMAIL PRIVATELY? I DON'T KNOW HOW WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE, BUT TO GET A REDUCED COST OF MEMBERSHIP OR I SO TWOFOLD ON THAT.

SORRY. NO. GO AHEAD. SO THAT'S WHERE THE SCHOLARSHIP PIECE COMES IN.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHOW IF THEY DEPENDING ON THEIR FUNDING SITUATION NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO IS THE REC CENTER. THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN MEMBERSHIPS.

SO THE REC CENTER IS PART OF NUMEROUS PROGRAMS. SO, YOU HAVE SILVER SNEAKERS SILVER AND FIT AND RENEW ACTIVE WAS A ONE PASS I THINK IS THE YEAH THE DIVIDE THERE.

AND SO INSURANCE GROUPS ARE PART OF THOSE PROGRAMS WHICH WOULD BE A FREE MEMBERSHIP FOR THEM.

AND SO IT'S EACH ONE IS UNIQUE TO WHERE WE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM AND HOW THAT PROGRAM PAYS US FOR THAT MEMBERSHIP.

IT DOESN'T COST THE INDIVIDUAL ANYTHING. AND SO WE KIND OF EDUCATE THEM.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PROGRAM THAT THEIR INSURANCE CARRIES.

AND I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN SILVER, SILVER SNEAKERS AND SILVER AND FIT ARE TWO OF THE MOST COMMON.

AND WE'VE SEEN PEOPLE ONE YEAR BE SILVER SNEAKERS AND THE NEXT YEAR BE SILVER AND FIT. AND THEN THEY'RE BACK TO SILVER SNEAKERS. AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON THAT INSURANCE AGENCY AND WHAT PROGRAM THEY BUY INTO. BUT AS FAR AS INPUT IS THIS, IT IS DETERMINING WHICH OF THESE WE FEEL SHOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT

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THIS IS AGAIN, JUST EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND WHAT WE DO FALL INTO.

WHERE THEY WOULD FALL WITHIN THOSE TIERS IS JUST ASKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF THE TIERS THAT THEY MAKE SENSE PERCENTAGE WISE.

TALKING ABOUT DIRECT, INDIRECT COSTS, THE NEW FORMULA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING, IF THERE'S ANYTHING AGAIN.

HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT EMPLOYEE PAY RATE? WHAT'S THAT? HOW MUCH DOES THAT HOW THINGS ARE DONE CATEGORICALLY AND HOW THESE PRICE, I ONLY MENTIONED BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO HEAR SOMETHING ABOUT LIFEGUARD SITUATION AND RETENTION WITH LIFEGUARD, AND THAT HAVING BEEN A DISCUSSION, I DIDN'T HEAR A WHOLE LOT ABOUT IT.

JUST KIND OF BLIPS OF IT. SO HOW MUCH WOULD THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT DOES IMPACT HOURLY PAY AND INDIRECTLY, YES.

YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT INSIDE, THE MORE REVENUE THAT DOES COME IN, THE MORE OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE TO DO SOME OF THOSE.

BUT WE ALSO DO COMP AND CLASS STUDIES TO TRY TO ALIGN WITH WHAT THE INDUSTRY LOOKS LIKE, WHAT OUR SURROUNDING AREA AS FAR AS PAY GOES.

SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THERE, BUT IT'S NOT 100% DIRECT PIECE, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S LIKE A RENTAL.

SO EXAMPLE ON THAT ONE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A RENTAL, WE INCLUDE FEES IN THERE TO ENSURE WE'RE COVERING COSTS.

SO OUR PRIVATE POOL PARTIES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE A HIGHER COST BECAUSE WE REQUIRE FIVE LIFEGUARDS.

AND SO THAT'S A DIRECT COVERAGE OF THEIR PAY.

SO IF THEIR PAY INCREASED, THAT WOULD MEAN A RENTAL WOULD INCREASE.

THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND WE HAD THAT HAPPEN TO WHERE WE WERE ABLE, LIKE WHEN WE DID A COMMON CLASS TO INCREASE THEIR PAY, WE HAD TO REENGAGE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YEP. ANY OTHER FEEDBACK? THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR ME.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD. I THINK THAT'S IT. IF Y'ALL GOT NOTHING ELSE, YOU CAN DO THE HONOR. OKAY. I GUESS WE'RE ADJOURNED. 1:13.

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