1. Ceremonial Presentation of October 2025 Keep Angleton Beautiful Yard of the Month and Business of the Month.

[10. Discussion and possible action to adopt the 2025 Utility Master Plan and associated Capital Improvement Plan for water and wastewater improvements. ]

THE 2025 UTILITY MASTER PLAN AND ASSOCIATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR WEIGHT WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS.

>> YES, THIS IS THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH STAFF, CLOSELY WITH STAFF.

TODAY, I HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN HERE WITH ME.

DUN. MATTHEW SCHWARTZ.

THEY ARE THE HEAD OF OUR PLANNING AND WATER SUPPLY.

WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH STAFF.

CORPORATED ALL THEIR COMMENTS.

TONIGHT, WE WANTED TO BRING YOU THE FINDINGS AND GO OVER IT WHERE WE COULD ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AND POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS FORWARD FOR THE CITY.

I'LL TRY TO START IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE COSTS AS WELL WITH IMPACT FEES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.

>> YOU'RE DATING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.

MATT HORCH IS OUR LEAD HYDRAULIC MODEL, AND HE DOES UTILITY MASTER PLANS AROUND THE STATE.

PLANTS IS PRIMARILY A SPY PLAN, BUT ALSO LEAD UTILITY MASTER PLAN IS 4% OF OUR CLIENTS.

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MATT AND I 18.

AS I SPEAK, THINGS THAT I EITHER FORGOT TO MENTION OR DIDN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH DETAIL, THEY'LL GOT BE STAFF.

WE WANT TO TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE'RE GOING.

UTILITY MASTER PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS.

WE WHERE IS GROWTH LIKELY TO OCCUR IN THE CITY AND HOW WE PLAN FOR THE UTILITIES TO SERVE THAT GROWTH.

THEN WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE WATER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN, THEN THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN, AND THEN WE'LL END UP WITH AN OVERALL WATER SUPPLY PLAN WHERE WE LOOKED AT HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU ACTUALLY CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE, HOW MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO NEED AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW.

WE DID A PREVIOUS UTILITY MASTER PLAN IN 2019.

THIS 2025 EFFORT STARTED IN LATE 2023.

WE UPDATED THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM MODEL THAT WE HAD STARTED IN 2019.

WE UPDATED THE WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM MODEL.

THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE MODELS, TWO DIFFERENT.

TYPES OF WATER IMPROVEMENTS, MOVING WATER AROUND THE CITY.

THEN WE DEVELOPED WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLANS, IDENTIFIED PROJECTS, PLANNING LEVEL COST ESTIMATES, AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET YOU THROUGH THE NEXT 10 YEARS STARTING IN 2023.

WE'RE A COUPLE OF YEARS INTO THAT 10 YEAR HORIZON RIGHT NOW.

ANY PROJECT THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR 10 YEAR HORIZON IS ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE REIMBURSEMENT FROM DEVELOPERS.

SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO ADOPT IMPACT FEES? THEN ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, WE TOOK THAT OUT TO 30 YEARS OR 2053.

THEN WE EVALUATED WATER SUPPLIES ON A 50 YEAR BASIS BECAUSE WATER SUPPLY PLANNING REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE ON A LONGER TERM THAN LOOKING AT A SIMPLY UTILITY MASTER PLANS.

THESE COLORED AREAS HERE ARE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED OR BEING INITIALLY DEVELOPED AREAS WITHIN THE CITY.

WE SAT DOWN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AND THEY IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT THEY FELT WERE PRIME FOR FUTURE GROWTH IN THE CITY.

THEN THEY'RE COLOR CODED BASED UPON WHEN WE THINK HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO DEVELOP IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR BEYOND 10 YEARS.

THE YELLOW, WE THINK 100% OF THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED BY 2033.

THE BLUE, 50%, THE GREEN IS 25%, THEN THE ORANGE IS OUT PAST THAT 10 YEAR HORIZON, BUT INTO THAT 50 YEAR HORIZON.

THEN WE ENDED UP EXCLUDING THE TWO GRAY AREAS THERE.

BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO RENUMBER THINGS AND GET THAT CONFUSION, WE KEPT THOSE TWO AREAS IN AND JUST SAID WE EXCLUDED.

THE TOTAL ACREAGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ALMOST 4,700 ACRES OF NEWLY DEVELOPED LAND, AND IT WILL BRING YOUR TOTAL SERVICE AREA FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES TO ABOUT 10,500 ACRES.

PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AREA OF DEVELOPMENT.

BUT A LOT OF THAT IS OUT PAST THAT 10 YEAR HORIZON AS WELL.

I LIKE TO TELL OUR CLIENTS, THIS IS OUR BEST CRYSTAL BALL OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

I'M GOING TO START WITH THE WATER SYSTEM PLAN.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE GET WATER TO THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS? BUT THEN HOW DO WE MOVE WATER? HOW IS OUR SYSTEM MOVING WATER AROUND THE CITY NOW? HOW EFFECTIVE IS IT DO? HOW EFFECTIVE IS IT WITH OUR CURRENT WATER DEMANDS? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE WE CAN EVEN PLAN FOR NEW GROWTHS.

WE LOOK AT BOTH ASPECTS.

WE PROJECT THE NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS.

IN 2023, YOU HAD ROUGHLY 8,700 INDIVIDUAL CONNECTIONS ON YOUR SYSTEM.

THE NARROW TERM IS THAT MIDDLE COLUMN WHERE IT SAYS 2033.

WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL ROUGHLY 3,200, 03,300 CONNECTIONS FOR A TOTAL OF 12,095 CONNECTIONS BY 2033.

THE LONG TERM, MORE THAN DOUBLING THE NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS FOR WHICH YOU CURRENTLY HAVE NOW IN THE LONG TERM IN THAT 30 YEAR TIME FRAME.

WE ALSO HAVE TO PLAN FOR MEETING STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC WATER SYSTEMS THAT THEY ARE ENCODED IN THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

THEY GENERALLY FALL UNDER THREE CATEGORIES TOTAL STORAGE OF THAT, HOW MUCH IS ELEVATED STORAGE.

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THEN WHAT IS YOUR FIRM PUMPING CAPACITY ON A MAXIMUM DATA BASIS? THE RIGHT HAND PART OF THAT COLUMN SHOWS YOU HOW MANY ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS YOUR SYSTEM COULD ACCOMMODATE AFTER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.

THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS, AN ADDITIONAL 3,200 CONNECTIONS PLUS THIS AMOUNT IS WHAT YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE AFTER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.

TOTAL STORAGE, YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE ANOTHER 6,000 CONNECTIONS.

YOU'RE REALLY GOOD SHAPE TOTAL STORAGE.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROUND STORAGE.

LOOKING AT THE FIRM PUMPING CAPACITY, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF PUMPING CAPACITY TO GET YOU OUT PAST 10 YEARS AND BEYOND.

IT'S THE ELEVATED STORAGE, IT'S THE ISSUE.

AT THE END OF THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD, YOU WILL ONLY HAVE ROOM FOR ABOUT 400 CONNECTIONS.

YOU REALLY NEED TO START PLANNING ON THAT ELEVATED STORAGE NOW, WHICH I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DEVELOPERS THAT ARE SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE FAIRLY LARGE THAT HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION AND IN NEGOTIATION WITH YOUR CITY STAFF.

WE WANT TO HAVE THAT ELEVATED STORAGE IN BEFORE THOSE NEW SUBDIVISIONS COME ON.

OUR MASTER PLAN SHOWS THAT YOU REALLY WON'T NEED ELEVATED STORAGE UNTIL YOU HAVE ALL THOSE CONNECTIONS IN THE GROUND, BUT YOU NEED TO BUILD THAT STORAGE BEFORE THOSE CONNECTIONS IS HERE.

THAT YOU'RE STILL ADHERING TO THE TCQ REQUIREMENTS.

LOOKING LONG TERM OUT PAST 30 YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME MORE TOLL STORAGE.

BUT REALLY, YOU CAN MEET THAT REQUIREMENT BY BUILDING THAT ADDITIONAL ELEVATE STORAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THEN ON YOUR FIRM PUMPING CAPACITY, TCQ STANDARD REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE 6/10 OF A GALLON PER MINUTE OF PUMPING CAPACITY PER CONNECTION.

THAT'S THE STANDARD TCQ REQUIREMENT.

THAT'S A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE LOOK AT THINGS.

WHAT TCQ REALLY WANTS YOU TO DO IS LOOK AT YOUR ACTUAL DEMAND PATTERNS WITHIN YOUR CITY AND THEN REQUEST WHAT THEY CALL ALTERNATIVE CAPACITY REQUIREMENTS TO LOWER THAT 6/10 OF A GPM DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT IS MORE CLOSELY APPROXIMATES WHAT YOUR WATER CUSTOMERS ARE USING.

THAT'S WHERE THAT 0.37 GPM PER CONNECTION.

THAT'S THE CITY'S ALTERNATIVE CAPACITY REQUIREMENT OR THEIR ACR.

>> CURRENT RIGHT NOW.

>> I RIGHT NOW.

YOU HAVE THAT GOT THAT TAX AND YOU DON'T HAVE.

>> RIGHT. IS A VARIANCE.

IF YOU SEE THE ACR REALLY GIVES YOU A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND A LOT LOWER REQUIREMENT ON PUMPING CAPACITY.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE DO THE PLANNING ON IS 0.37.

TCQ CAN REVOKE THAT AT ANY TIME.

BUT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN TERMS OF OUR ANALYSIS OF YOUR DEMAND PATTERNS AND YOUR WATER USE PATTERNS WITHIN THE CITY, IS THAT 0.37 IS APPROPRIATE, AND PROBABLY WILL BE APPROPRIATE MOVING FORWARD.

>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE WORKED WITH, THE WATER USAGE HERE AT ANGLETON IS A FAIR BIT LOWER THAN AVERAGE, LIGHTLY LESS IRRIGATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THERE ISN'T ANY INFORMATION THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT TCQ WOULD HAVE ANY REASON TO REVOKE THAT ACR AT THIS TIME.

>> THE 0.37, I'VE SEEN THAT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES.

I'VE SEEN SOME ARE DOWN BELOW 0.3, WHICH IS PRETTY PHENOMENALLY LOW WATER USE.

BUT ON THOSE CITIES IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, THOSE WATER SYSTEMS THERE'S VERY LITTLE A WATER USE.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT DROPS IT DOWN.

>> RESIDENTS WILL TELL YOU THE WATER RATES HERE, WHAT DROPS IT DOWN?

>> PARDON?

>> RESIDENTS WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE WATER RATES FOR THE REASON WHY IT DROPS DOWN.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER FORCE THEY'RE USING A LOT LESS WATER BECAUSE OF THE WATER RATE.

>> CERTAINLY THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE RATES DO TIERED RATE STRUCTURE, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS A MECHANISM TO DRIVE WATER USAGE LOWER.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE LARGE WATER USERS TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFLUENT AND TEND NOT TO RESPOND SO MUCH TO THOSE INCREASED RATES.

IT'S A LOW TO MIDDLE TIER WHERE THEY HAVE.

IT TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FRICTION, CORRECT?

>> BUT BOTTOM LINE, IS 0.37 ACR THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.

WE THINK IS STILL REASONABLE, AND WE DON'T SEE TCQ MESSING WITH THAT ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S A GOOD NUMBER FOR PLANNING.

WE UPDATED THE WATER SYSTEM MODEL, BUT DID A FEW THINGS.

WE ADDED IN ALL THE WATER LINES THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED SINCE 2019.

>> WE PUT IN THOSE ADDITIONAL DEMANDS FOR THESE NEW DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND PUT THOSE IN LOADED IN THROUGHOUT THE MODEL.

THEN WE UPDATED THE MODEL FROM A STEADY STATE MODEL TO AN EXTENDED PERIOD SIMULATION.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE STEADY-STATE MODEL,

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LOOK AT THE HYDRAULICS UNDER A SINGLE DEMAND, A SNAPSHOT OF HOW THE SYSTEM WOULD OPERATE WITH DEMAND SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM AND THE TANKS AT CERTAIN LEVELS.

WE RUN THE MODEL, WE COMPUTE EVERYTHING AND TELL US, HERE'S THE PRESSURES AND THE FLOW RATES THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM.

THE EXTENDED PERIOD SIMULATION ALLOWS US TO STEP THROUGH TIME AND WATCH AS YOUR DEMANDS DROP AT NIGHT, GO UP IN THE MORNING THE PEAK AROUND MIDDAY AND THEN DROP BACK DOWN AND MAYBE GO UP AGAIN AS PEOPLE COME HOME AND SHOWER AND BATHE THEIR KIDS AND DO THAT THING ALLOWS US TO MORE ACCURATELY MODEL HOW YOUR SYSTEM IS GOING TO OPERATE AND JUST IMPORTANTLY HOW YOUR TANKS WILL FLUCTUATE, MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE CYCLING WATER IN AND OUT OF YOUR ELEVATED TANKS APPROPRIATELY.

IT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE HAD IN 2019.

THEN WHEN WE DECIDE HOW WE NEED TO EITHER REPLACE LINES FOR LARGER LINES, INPUT NEW PUMP STATIONS, OR SERVE THESE NEW DEVELOPMENT AREAS.

WE LOOK AT A FEW CRITERIA.

ONE IS, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN A MINIMUM PRESSURE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM OF 35 PSI UNDER MAXIMUM DAY DEMAND CONDITIONS.

WE WANT OUR FASTEST VELOCITY OF THE WATER PIPE NOT TO EXCEED 5 FT/SECOND.

THEN WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FIRE FLOW THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM WITH A MINIMUM RESIDUAL PRESSURE OF 20 POUNDS PER SQUARE PSI.

THEN WE'LL LOOK AT HOW THE TANK CYCLE UNDER A 72-HOUR SIMULATION, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TANKS ARE CYCLING APPROPRIATELY AS WELL, IF NOT, WE CAN RECOMMEND OPERATIONAL CHANGES.

IT MAY HELP THE TANKS CYCLE BETTER, AND WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME.

NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE AND THOSE DEMANDS SHIFT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH.

THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE RECOMMENDED IN THE REPORT THAT YOU CAN CHANGE HOW YOU OPERATE YOUR PUMPS IN RELATION TO YOUR TANK LEVELS.

>> NO, THAT THE PUMP CYCLE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE WATER DOESN'T MOVE THROUGH THE TANK, THE CHLORINE RESIDUAL DOESN'T STAY IN THE TANK, SO YOU KNOW, WATER QUALITY ISSUES.

THE MORE EFFECTIVELY THAT MOVES IN AND OUT OF THE TANK INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, THE LESS MAINTENANCE THAT YOUR STUFF HAS TO DO TO DUMP WATER, REFRESH THAT OR ADD ADDITIONAL CHORE?

>> RIGHT. THE ELEVATED TANKS ARE THERE TO DO TWO THINGS.

ONE TO PRESSURIZE YOUR SYSTEM.

YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR PUMPS RUNNING ALL THE TIME AND PROVIDE BACKUP STORAGE FOR THE FIRE FLOW AND MAC STAY DEMANDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE WATER JUST STAY IN THE TANK PER THEIR IMPURITIES, WILL LOSE AS FAR AS.

YOUR EXISTING WATER SYSTEM IS PERFORMING REALLY WELL.

THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT OPERATIONAL SUPPLY LIMITATIONS.

YOUR STAFF HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING NEW WATER LINES AND MAKING IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE MAINTAINED THAT SYSTEM.

OPERATION VERY GOOD, YOU'VE GOT FIRE PROTECTION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THAT MAP TO THE RIGHT IS SYSTEM PRESSURES.

ANYTHING BLUE OR GREEN IS ABOVE 35 PSI.

YOU CAN SEE IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, THERE'S A FEW LITTLE RED DOTS IN THERE WHERE IT'S BELOW 35 PSI.

THOSE ARE PRIMARILY DEAD END, SMALL WATER LINES OR THE SECTION SIDE OF THE PUMPS.

YOUR SYSTEM IS OPERATING REALLY VERY WELL.

UNDER LONG TERM DEMANDS.

ONCE WE PUT IN THE NEW PIPES TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS TO MEET THOSE LONG TERM DEMANDS.

YOUR SYSTEM IS GOING TO OPERATE WELL AS WELL.

WE DO HAVE A FEW OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE SUGGESTED TO STAFF WHEN THOSE SOUTHERN DEVELOPMENTS START TO OCCUR.

A LOT OF THAT DEMAND IS GOING TO SHIFT SOUTH AND YOU MAY WANT TO START KEYING ON THAT.

THE ELEVATED TANK 2 IS ONE THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SYSTEM, RATHER THAN HAVE ALL YOUR PUMPS OPERATE JUST ON THE NORTH TANK.

BUT THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL THING THAT CAN BE PHASED IN OVER TIME.

THERE'S A LOT OF FUTURE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED IN ORDER TO SERVE THOSE DEVELOPING AREAS.

YOU PHYSICALLY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DILUTE WATER TO WHERE THEY ARE.

WHEN RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE PIPES GOING TO THOSE AREAS.

WE'VE INCLUDED PIPES TO SERVE THOSE NEW AREAS PLUS PIPES TO LOOT YOUR SYSTEM SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE REDUNDANCY OF SUPPLY.

IT MAKES YOUR SYSTEM OPERATE BETTER AND BETTER PRESSURES.

THERE'S A FEW THINGS WE NEED TO DO AT BOTH THE ANDERSON AND THE CHENANGO PUMP STATION.

THEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF WATER LINES.

AS I WAS WRITING THIS, I THOUGHT, WELL, NORTHEAST NORTHWEST, SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, REALLY, ALL POINTS OF THE COMPASS, WE NEED TO PUT NEW WATER LINES IN BECAUSE YOUR DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE ALL AROUND HAD ALL POINTS IN THE COMPASS.

THEN OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS INCLUDED IN THAT.

THIS IS THE COST OF JUST THE NEAR-TERM WATER CIP PROJECTS, IS A TOTAL OF $16.9 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 8-10 YEARS.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN,

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THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH OF THAT CAPACITY OF THAT NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT REIMBURSEMENT FROM DEVELOPERS COMING IN.

>> WE IMPORTANT NOTE THERE BECAUSE IT SAYS 25% IN THE FIRST 10 YEARS DOESN'T MEAN IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS YOU CAN'T RECOVER THE REMAINDER OF THAT PROJECT, IT'S VISUAL PROJECTS UTILIZATION WITHIN A 10 YEAR PERIOD, IT IS RECOVERABLE THROUGH IMPACT, RIGHT?

>> IF WE DO AN IMPACT FEE STUDY, AND YOU ENACT IMPACT FEES, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, WE SHOULD UPDATE THOSE IMPACT FEES TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHERE DEVELOPMENTS OCCURRING AND HOW MUCH OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY BEING UTILIZED.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE A MOVING TARGET AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT AT THIS POINT AT THIS SNAPSHOT IN TIME, THAT'S HOW MUCH WOULD BE RECOVERABLE WITHIN YOUR IMPACT FEES.

THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THERE MAYBE ONE OR TWO MORE PROJECTS THAT GET ADDED TO THAT LIST, AND THOSE PERCENTAGES ON THESE PROJECTS WOULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT WELL.

I WANT TO STOP HERE AND WE GO BACK AND ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE WATER PORTION OF THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN.

I GUESS TO EXPLAIN. WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

HERE, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

WE DIDN'T LOOK AT ANYTHING RELATED TO THE CAPACITY OF THE PLANT OTHER THAN WHAT THE FLOWS ARE THAT'S CURRENTLY SEEN.

WE DIDN'T DO ANY MASTER PLANNING FOR THE WASTEWATER PLANT ITSELF.

WE'RE LOOKING STRICTLY JUST AT YOUR COLLECTION SYSTEM, WHICH TAKES ALL THE WASTEWATER TO THE PLANT.

YOUR PLANT CURRENTLY TREATS ON AVERAGE ABOUT 1.8 MILLION GALLONS A DAY DURING DRY WEATHER CONDITIONS.

THAT MEANS WHEN IT'S NOT RAINING AND ALL THE WATER IN THE PIPES IS ESSENTIALLY JUST WASTEWATER COMING FROM HOMES AND BUSINESSES THAT THAT'S ABOUT 1.8 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

YOU'RE PERMITTED FOR ABOUT 3.6.

YOU'RE WELL WITHIN YOUR PERMIT THERE ON AN ANNUAL AVERAGE.

YOUR PERMIT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO TREAT AND DISCHARGE UP TO 18 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AT THAT RATE FOR A TWO-HOUR PERIOD.

THAT'S A PRETTY BIG MULTIPLIER ON YOUR AVERAGE, AND THAT'S A RECOGNITION THAT YOUR SYSTEM SEES A LOT OF WET WEATHER FLOWS THAT COME INTO THE SYSTEM, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT QUITE A BIT HERE.

YOU DO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL, WHAT WE CALL INFLOW INFILTRATION OR I&I.

THAT'S WATER THAT COMES IN THROUGH LEAKY MARBLE COVERS, THROUGH CONNECTIONS WHERE PEOPLE MAY HAVE TAKEN THEIR ROOF DRAINS AND CONNECTED IT TO THEIR STORMS TO THEIR SEWER OUTFALL ON THEIR PROPERTY, JUST TO GET RID OF THAT WATER THAT WAY.

IT'S ALSO COULD BE LEAKS AROUND JOINTS AND PIPES OR RATIONALLY BROKEN PIPES THAT ALLOWING WATER TO COME IN.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR I&I.

IT'S USUALLY SOME OF IT'S DISTRIBUTED TYPE OF STUFF, SOME ARE SPOT HOT ISSUES THAT WILL TRY TO CATCH AND TRY TO FIX IMMEDIATELY.

BUT WHAT THOSE WET WEATHER FLOWS.

IF YOUR SYSTEM CAN'T TRANSMIT THE FLOWS AT THE PEAK RATE THAT IT COMES IN DURING THE START, THEN IT BACKS UP IN YOUR SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN YOUR SYSTEM.

THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DOESN'T SEE FLOW RATES AS HIGH AS IT WOULD IF YOUR SYSTEM COULD CONVEY ALL THOSE WET WEATHER FLOWS AT ONE TIME.

WHAT IT DOES IS IT GETS HIGHER FLOWS, BUT NOT QUITE AS HIGH AS A PEAK WOULD BE, BUT IT EXTENDS IT OUT FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AS IT DRAINS OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM.

THAT'S GENERALLY HOW YOUR SYSTEM IS OPERATING RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT REALLY IDEAL.

TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE GRAPH FOR CURRENT WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 110 MILES A PIPE AND ABOUT 66% OF THEM ARE 6"-8" LATERAL COLLECTION PIPES.

YOU HAVE SOME PIPES IS AS BIG AS 48 " IN DIAMETER.

YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF LIFT STATIONS BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T GRAVITY FLOW ALL OF YOUR SEWAGE OUT TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT AS FLAT AS THIS AREA IS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIFT STATIONS TO PUMP IT.

WE HAVE SEVEN LIFT STATIONS THAT WE THINK OF AS REGIONAL LIFT STATIONS WHERE THEY MAY COLLECT FLOW FROM SEVERAL UPSTREAM LIFT STATIONS, OR THEY MAYBE A LIFT STATION THAT JUST TRANSFERS THE SANITARY SEWER FLOWS ACROSS YOUR CITY TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT.

DURING STORM EVENTS, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE DATA FROM THOSE LIFT STATIONS, AND DURING WET WEATHER EVENTS FOLLOWING STORMS, THEY RUN FOR AN INORDINATELY LONG PERIOD OF TIME,

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WHICH TELLS US THAT THOSE PEAK FLOWS ARE BACKING UP AND STACKING UP INSIDE THE PIPES AND THE PUMPS CAN'T KEEP UP TO PUSH IT DOWNSTREAM.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU GOT A HIGH POTENTIAL FOR HAVING SANITARY SEWER OVERFLOWS.

YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THEM CALLED A SSOS WHERE THAT'S WATER BACKING UP AND COMING OUT OF THE MOUNTAIN AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IN YOUR SYSTEM.

THIS IS THE MAP IS A PICTURE OF ALL OF THE PIPES IN YOUR SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN OUR GIS.

THIS IS THE MODEL THAT WE UPDATED.

WE TAKE SOMEWHAT OF A SKELETONIZED VERSION OF THAT.

WE DON'T PUT EVERY SINGLE PIPE IN THE MODEL BECAUSE SOME OF THEM AREN'T AS IMPORTANT TO MODEL, BUT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THOSE PIPES ARE IN THE MODEL JUST AT A DOWNSTREAM LOCATION AND THAT MAKES SENSE.

WE TOOK THE 2019 MODEL.

THE SOFTWARE THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN IS NO LONGER SUPPORTED BY THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS.

WE HAD TO MIGRATE TO A NEW VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE.

WE PUT IN A COUPLE OF THE REGIONAL LIFT STATIONS AND FORCE VEINS THAT WEREN'T IN THE 2019 MODEL.

PIPES THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED OR ENLARGED SINCE 2019, WE PUT IN THE MODEL.

THEN, AS I SAID, NOT ALL OF THE PIPES AND LIFT STATIONS ARE INCLUDED, WE PUT IN THE PRIMARY REGIONAL ONES AND THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE MODEL THAT WE'RE DOING.

>> IMPORTANT WE DID EVALUATE ALL AVAILABLE STATION DATA THAT WE'RE USING TO ESSENTIALLY LOAD SOME OF THOSE AREAS OF THE COLLECTION SYSTEM.

ONES THAT WERE NOT DEEMED TO BE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS, WE SKELETONIZED THOSE OF THE MODEL, ANYTHING THAT'S SIGNIFICANT OR CONTRIBUTES TO ABLE FLOW TO THE SYSTEM WAS INCLUDED IN THE MODEL.

>> THE MODEL IS TAKING CONSIDERATION THE SMALLER LIFT STATIONS AND THE AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT THE LOADING THAT IS BRINGING IT'S WAY.

>> WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

>> THE MODEL IS AN ACTIVE WORKING MODEL WITH THOSE STATIONS LOADING IN.

>> JUST LIKE WITH THE WATER SYSTEM MODEL, WE HAVE SOME PERFORMANCE CRITERIA YOU WANT TO LOOK AT.

FOR GRAVITY PIPES.

WE DON'T WANT THEM FLOWING FULL.

WE WANT THE RATIO OF THEIR MODEL DEPTH TO THE DAMAGE PIPE TO BE LESS THAN ONE.

ABOUT 0.6, 0.7 IS GENERALLY A REALLY GOOD RATIO.

BUT ANYTHING LESS THAN ONE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

IF WE DO HAVE A PIPE THAT'S SURCHARGED, WE DON'T WANT TO SURCHARGE MORE THAN ABOUT THREE FEET BELOW THE TOP OF THE MANHOLE.

THAT THREE FEET WE THINK IS A PRETTY GOOD SAFETY FACTOR TO KEEP WATER FROM FLOWING OUT OF THE MANHOLE.

FOR OUR FORCE VEINS, JUST LIKE THE WATER SYSTEM.

WE DON'T WANT VELOCITIES TO BE MUCH ABOVE 5 FT/SECOND.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT A PEAKING FACTOR.

THAT IS THE RATIO OF YOUR WET WEATHER FLOWS TO YOUR DRY WEATHER FLOWS.

GOOD SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED OPERATE WELL WITH PEAKING FACTORS OF FOUR OR LESS.

WE TRIED TO KEEP AS MUCH AS WE COULD YOUR SYSTEM THERE, BUT WE'RE SEEING SOME PEAKING FACTORS IN YOUR SYSTEM THAT ARE DOUBLE DIGIT.

THAT REALLY IS THAT WET WEATHER FLOW COMING IN THAT INFLOW AND INFILTRATION THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE.

LOOKING AT JUST DRY WEATHER WHEN IT'S NOT RAINING, WHEN ALL THE FLOWS OF THE SYSTEM ARE JUST THE SANITARY SEWER FLOWS FROM YOUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES.

YOU HAVE MINIMAL SURCHARGE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM, AND YOU HAVE A MINIMAL RISK OF SEWER FLOWS.

SYSTEMS OPERATING REALLY WELL ON A DRY WEATHER BASIS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT WET WEATHER, THE BOTTLE IS SHOWING THAT IS MOSTLY CONTAINED WITHIN THE PIPE SYSTEM.

WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS OF CONCERN THAT ARE UPSTREAM OF FIVE LIFT STATIONS, NUMBER 1, 7, 8, 9, AND 23 THAT SHOWS THAT WE'VE GOT THOSE IDENTIFIED WITH THE RED ARROWS ON THE MAP.

THAT'S WHERE THOSE LIFT STATIONS ARE BOTTLE NECKING, AND WATER IS BACKING UP UPSTREAM OF THOSE LIFT STATIONS THEY CAN'T HANDLE ALL THE FLOW THAT'S COMING DOWN.

RIGHT NOW, YOUR SYSTEM IS ADEQUATE FOR THE CURRENT FLOWS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED UPGRADES TO HIT THOSE FUTURE FLOWS.

WHEN THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENT AREAS COME IN AND START TO CONTRIBUTE TO THOSE LIFT STATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOMETHING DONE, EITHER PARALLEL FORCE VEINS OR SOME OTHER THINGS NEED TO BE DONE TO ALLEVIATE THAT SURCHARGE CONDITION THAT WE SEE.

>> LIKE THE WATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED, THOSE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT GROWTH WOULD ALSO BE IMPACT BE ELIGIBLE.

>> LOOKING IN THE FUTURE.

AGAIN, THE DRY WEATHER FLOWS ARE OKAY.

MOST SEWER SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED FOR THE WET WEATHER CONDITION ANYHOW.

BUT FUTURE WET WEATHER FLOWS, WE'RE LIKELY GOING TO SEE NUMEROUS OVERFLOWS AFTER MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINS.

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WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE SURCHARGES AND WE'RE SEEING WITH THE CURRENT CONDITION STREAM OF LIFT STATIONS 1, 07, 8 AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME INCREASED SURCHARGE DOWN ON THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE SYSTEM.

THIS DOWN AT THE TWO LIFT STATIONS DOWN HERE, WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING PROBLEMS AS WELL AS THEY TRY TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE GROWTH AND THE FLOWS AND LOADING FROM THAT SOUTHERN PART OF THE GROWTH AREA.

>> THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN GENERAL, OUR BIGGEST ONE IS THAT WE THINK THE CITY NEED TO URGE YOU TO INVEST IN AN IONIC STUDY.

ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. WHAT AN IONIC STUDY WILL DO, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ASPECTS TO IT, BUT THE MOST DATA DRIVEN PART OF IT IS WE'LL INSTALL FLOW METERS AT KEY LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT YOUR SYSTEM TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHEN IT DOES RAIN WHERE EXACTLY THOSE HIGHER FLOWS ARE COMING FROM.

RIGHT NOW, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW. WE'VE NEVER MEASURED IT.

WE DON'T HAVE METERS OR ANY GAUGES INSIDE ANY OF YOUR PIPES.

THESE WOULD BE TEMPORARY METERS THAT WE PUT IN.

THEN WE MAY EVEN MOVE THEM AROUND AS WE START TO GET DATA NOTICE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT OF FLOW ABOVE THIS METER, SO LET'S MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE WE ALREADY GETTING FLOW.

IT HELPS US PINPOINT WHERE THOSE PROBLEM AREAS ARE.

THEN THAT'LL TELL YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO INVEST YOUR REHAB DOLLARS TO FIX PAN HOLES TO FIX PIPES.

YOU IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE ILLICIT CONNECTIONS.

AN TESTING AS WELL. ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS DO SOME SMOKE TESTING.

BASICALLY FORCE SMOKE DOWN INTO COLLECTION SYSTEM AND IT COMES UP THROUGH LEAKY MALES, AND ILLICIT CONNECTIONS, AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT COME UP TO THROUGH THE GROUND WHEN YOU HAVE A BROKEN PIPE OR A LEAKY JOINT PIPE.

>> BY A CLEAN UP IN FRONT OF YOUR HOME, YOU'VE GOT 46 INCH PIPE THE CAP IS MISSING, YOU'VE GOT A DRAIN RIGHT INTO THE SUPER THERE AND THAT CAN BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FLOW, ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S AT A LOW SPOT OF THE YARD.

>> I HAD A NEIGHBOR THAT WHENEVER IT RAINED, HE POPPED HIS SCALP, BECAUSE IT RAINED HIS YARD.

I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTS THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING.

I TOLD YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT.

THAT'S ACTUALLY ILLEGAL TO DO, BUT THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF NIGHT COMES, PEOPLE GET PONDED QUARTER OF A YARD, WANT TO GET RID OF IT, EASY WAYS TO POP THAT DRAIN, JUST JUST LET IT GO IN.

IT WILL ALLOW YOU TO FOCUS YOUR REHAB EFFORTS ON YOUR WORST AREAS, YOU GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK.

WE DID SOME MODELING TO GIVE A REAL CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH YOU PROVE THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE.

WE THINK IS KIND OF A MINIMUM A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IS YOU WOULD REDUCE YOUR I OVERALL BY ABOUT 16%.

I THINK YOU PROBABLY GO HIGHER 16% IS KIND OF A LOW BALL ESTIMATE.

>> IT IS, BUT IN THAT SYSTEM WIDE, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE CONCENTRATED IN TARGETED AREAS, BUT IN AGGREGATE, IT'S ABOUT 16%.

>> SOME AREAS MAYBE 50 OR 60% PRODUCTION IN I&I, BUT OVERALL IN THE SYSTEM IS ABOUT 16.

IT WOULD REDUCE PEAK FLOWS TO YOUR WASTEWATER PLANT BY ABOUT 400 DS ALMOST ROUGHLY 20%, 25%.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I'LL CONTINUE ON.

IF YOU DON'T DO ANY I&I REDUCTION, AND WE JUST HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM TO BASICALLY GET YOUR FLOWS OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.

IT'S ABOUT $52 MILLION WORTH WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN THE SYSTEM.

WITH THAT RELATIVELY MODEST REDUCTION OF I&I BY ABOUT 16%, THAT'S GOING TO DROP YOUR CIP, BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED ALL THOSE PROJECTS DOWN TO ABOUT 22 MILLION.

IT'S GOING TO CUT YOUR CIP THAT YOU NEED MORE THAN IN HALF AND IT WILL ALSO REDUCE THE INFLOWS TO YOUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.

IT'S GOING TO DELAY THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT CAPACITY AND REDUCE WHAT THAT CAPACITY NEEDS TO BE AS WELL.

>> OR TO NOTE HERE, I AND MY STUDIES HAVE BEEN PERFORMED AND I'VE WORKED ON SEVERAL OF THEM FOR THE SAN ANTONIO CITY, HOUSTON CITY OF AUSTIN AND MANY OTHER SMALL MEDIUM SIZED COMMUNITIES ALL THROUGH SOUTH AND CENTRAL TEXAS, BECAUSE THE SAVINGS TO YOUR CAPITAL DOLLARS HAS BEEN PROVEN OVER TIME, YOU WENT IMPLEMENTING THESE PROGRAMS POINT AND FIXED THING DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THOSE COUNCIL EXPENDITURES.

>> DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THOSE SMALL TOWNS? NOT HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO.

>> I DON'T ACTUALLY YOU HAVE A FULL RANGE INFLOW STUDY THAT WE'VE JUST COMPLETED WITH THEM, IDENTIFYING TARGETED POINT SOURCES OF INFLOW.

LARGELY, IT'S GOING TO BE MANHOLES NEAR CREEKS AND STREAMS OR YOU HAVE LARGER INTERCEPTORS AND CONVEYANCE.

IT'S IDENTIFYING SOMETIMES TO TRY TO ELEVATE THE MANHOLES

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TO KEEP IT ABOVE THE WATER LINE WHEN IT'S, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EXPOSED MANHOLE, IT'S A STRUCTURAL POTENTIAL FAILURE POINT, AND SO WE SEE OFFSET JOINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

TAYLOR IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, WE'VE LOOKED AT IN FLOW J EXAMPLES.

>> I'VE DONE SEVERAL WHAT THEY CALLED SSESS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY NOT SO MUCH A STUDY AS GOING OUT AND FINDING THE AREAS THAT ARE CAUSING THE ISSUES WITH SMOKE TESTING, MANHOLE INSPECTION.

A LOT OF YOUR IS THROUGH MANHOLES, OLD MANHOLES, BRICK MANHOLES, MANHOLES HAVE BEEN DAMAGED.

WE SEE A LOT IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES AND WE'RE FIXING SOME ON THESE RIGHT NOW THAT WE BID OUT, L STATION EIGHT, COLLECTION SYSTEM AND STATION 24.

THERE ARE MANHOLES AND DITCHES WHERE MOWERS HIT THE MANHOLES AND SLID THE MANHOLE COVERS FOR THE CONES OFF.

YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT OPENING IN A DITCH OR WATERS GOING IN, SO WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE.

WE'RE ALSO ADDRESSING INFLOW PROTECTORS.

WE DO SMOKE TESTING ANYWAYS.

THERE'S A LOT YOU CAN DO IN SC AS TO WHERE IT SAYS, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THE IMMEDIATE HOT SPOTS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST PAIN FROM ABOVE.

>> YOU'VE BEEN INVESTING IN SOME OF THAT HOW.

>> YES.

>> BUT IT'S BEEN THE OBVIOUS STUFF.

WE CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE THAT A BOWER IS KNOCKED OFF THE COMB, CORRECT THAT SORT OF STUFF.

THIS METERING ENGAGING WOULD ALLOW US TO BETTER PINPOINT THE AREAS THAT YOU NECESSARILY CAN'T SEE.

>> WE ALREADY BROUGHT COSTS FOR LOOKING AT THE REGIONAL LIST STATIONS TO KIND OF PHASE IT TO GO AT STATION 27, SEVERAL LIST STATIONS TO WHERE WE COULD DO THAT SSES, INSTEAD OF SAYING WE CAN DO A CITY WIDE.

PLACES THAT I'VE DONE THAT IS WEST, SOUTH SIDE PLACE, NASSAU BAY.

WE'VE DONE SOME IN ALVIN A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I WAS IN EITS 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO, BUT I'VE DONE A LOT I'M DOING ONE NOW FOR HARRIS COUNTY FOR ONE OF THEIR BIG FACILITIES.

WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE ON THAT AND WE'VE TURNED A LOT OF AND YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT TOO, NOT ONLY YOU GET I&I, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING A LOT OF FAILURES UNDER YOUR STREETS.

YOU'RE GETTING SOME OF YOUR MANHOLES HAVE BEEN SINKING.

SOME OF YOUR FENCES AND PEOPLE'S BACK YARDS HAVE BEEN FAILING AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE SPECIFICALLY FOR ANGLETON.

IT'S ANY CITY THAT HAS ANY TYPE OF AGE, JUST THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED WHEN THE CITY DEVELOPED AREN'T AS GOOD AS THE MATERIALS FROM NOW.

THEY'RE NOT CORROSION RESISTANT.

THEY'VE REACHED THEIR END OF LIFE.

>> ITS 50, 60-YEARS-OLD.

>> YOUR CONCRETE, SPECIFICALLY, IT HAS A TENDENCY TO BE TO REACT TO THE SANITARY SEWER, MICROBES, GASES, HTS, AND ACTUALLY THEY COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED, AND I'LL BE JUST MUD HOLDING UP WHEN YOU GET A BIG RAIN, YOU'LL HAVE A GIANT SEEN COAL FORM.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE WASTE WATER PLANS? WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN.

NOW, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR CURRENT SUPPLIES FIRST, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, YOU GET WATER FROM THE PUBLIC WATER AUTHORITY OR PWA, YOU HAVE A CONTRACT THAT'S FAIRLY DUE FOR 2.3 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

THAT THAT'S ON AN AVERAGE DAY BASIS.

THAT GIVES YOU 2576 ACRE FEET PER YEAR THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE FROM THAT CONTRACT.

WHEN I START TALKING AVERAGE DAY OR ANNUAL VOLUME OF WATER YOU NEED, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF ACRE FEET, BECAUSE AN ACRE FOOT IS A VOLUME OF WATER, BUT THAT IS ALSO A 2.3 MGD MAXIMUM DAY CAPACITY AS WELL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PE BUILT INTO THAT CONTRACT FOR BWA, AND THEY HAVE LIMITED CAPABILITY TO PROVIDE YOU HIGHER SUMMER DEMANDS TO MEET HIGHER SUMMER DEMANDS THROUGH THEIR PIPELINE FOR THE ANDERSON PLAN.

YOU'VE GOT 2.3 MGD MAXIMUM DAY, AND THAT'S ALSO PRETTY MUCH YOUR ANNUAL AVERAGE NUMBER THAT YOU CAN TAKE AS WELL, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE FIVE SERVICE WELLS THAT YOU OWN.

THEY HAVE A COMBINED MAXIMUM DAY CAPACITY, ROUGHLY DOUBLE WHAT YOU CAN GET FROM BWA ABOUT 4.7 MGD.

WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH ANNUAL SUPPLY A GROUNDWATER WELL CAN PROVIDE.

YOU TAKE THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY, AND WE AND WE DIVIDE IT BY TWO.

MOST CITIES DEMANDS DURING THE SUMMER ARE TWICE WHAT THEIR AVERAGE DEMANDS ARE, AND SO YOU WANT TO HOLD SOME OF THAT WELL CAPACITY IN YOUR HIP POCKET FOR THE SUMMER SO THAT YOU RUN IN THE WELLS AT, HALF CAPACITY, THEN SEVERAL HIPS, YOU CAN PEEK OFF.

WE ALWAYS ASSUME THAT THE WELLS CAN CONTRIBUTE ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEIR MAXIMUM DAY CAPACITY WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CONTRIBUTE IF THEY ARE RUNNING THROUGH 247365.

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WE ASSUME A 5% DOWNTIME, WHICH DROPS THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.

IN TOTAL, YOU'VE GOT AN ANNUAL SUPPLY ABOUT 5,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, AND THE MAXIMUM DAY CAPACITY OF 7 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

KEEP THOSE TWO NUMBERS IN A HEAD.

05,000 ANNUAL SEVEN MGD DAILY AND THESE ARE YOUR PROJECTED WATER DEMANDS FROM 2023 OUT THROUGH 2073.

YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND COLUMN, THAT'S YOUR AVERAGE DAY OR ANNUAL DEMAND AND ACRE FEET PER YEAR.

YOU'RE GOING TO EXCEED WHAT YOUR SUPPLY IS SOMEWHERE 2043-2050.

YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 20 YEARS.

THAT'S WHERE THAT RED LINE IS.

THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO ABOVE THE 5,000 ACRE FOOT PER YEAR THAT YOU HAVE ANNUALLY AVAILABLE.

ON THE MAXIMUM DAY, IT'S GOING TO HIT YOU A LITTLE BIT SOONER.

YOU'RE GOING TO EXCEED YOUR SEVEN NGD SOMEWHERE 2033-2043, PROBABLY CLOSER TO 2040 WOULD BE MY GUESS, IF YOUR DEMANDS GROW, WE WE'RE EXPECTING.

WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLY, WHAT ARE THE RISKS WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER SUPPLY? IF YOU LOOK AT SURFACE WATER SUPPLY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU GET PRIMARILY FROM BWA, FROM THE BRASS RIVER BASIN.

THE SUPPLIES ARE MOSTLY ALREADY CLAIMED.

IF BWA WANTED TO CONTRACT FOR ADDITIONAL WATER FROM THE BRASS RIVER AUTHORITY, THE BRA IS APP OUT.

THEY'VE CONTRACTED ALL OF THEIR FIRM SUPPLY FOR THE MOST PART.

THEY'VE GOT A FEW HUNDRED ARE FEET HERE AND THERE THROUGHOUT THE BASIN, BUT THAT'S IT.

WATER RIGHTS ARE PRETTY WELL ACCOUNT FOR MOST OF THE ADDITIONAL WATER.

THERE'S NOT MUCH SURFACE WATER, IF ANY, AVAILABLE FROM THE GRASSES RIVER BASIN FOR YOU TO PURCHASE OR FOR BWA TO PURCHASE ON YOUR BEHALF AND SELL TO YOU AS A CUSTOMER.

LOOKING AT GROUNDWATER SUPPLIES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY THE CHEAPEST SUPPLY YOU CAN GET BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY EXPENSIVE TO SINK A WELL, AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUMP AND CHLORINATE.

GROUNDWATER LEVELS ARE PROJECTED TO DECLINE OVER TIME.

WE ALL KNOW THAT HAPPENS.

THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY AS BRAZORIA COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW, BECAUSE THERE IS LIMITED SURFACE WATER AVAILABLE.

FOLKS ARE GOING TO START SINKING MORE WELLS.

THEY'RE GOING TO START PUMPING MORE GROUNDWATER.

WE'RE GOING TO END UP BEING IN A SITUATION LIKE WE SEE IN MONGOL COUNTY OR IN FORT BEN COUNTY WHERE SUBSIDENCE IS OCCURRING.

THAT'S AS YOU REMOVE GROUNDWATER.

SOME OF THE WATER BARING FORMATIONS TEND TO SHRINK, AND THAT LOWERS THE GROUND SURFACE.

THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL SUBSIDENCE.

THEY HAVE SUBSIDENCE DISTRICTS IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN FORT BEND COUNTY.

REGULATE THE FUTURE AMOUNT OF GROUNDWATER THAT CAN BE WITHDRAWN TO LIMIT FUTURE SUBSIDES.

>> IT'S ALSO IN HARRIS COUNTY AND GOT HARRIS AND GASTON.

>> YES.

>> ACTUALLY, ONE OF ONE OF MY PROJECTS I'M WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, WE'VE DONE SOME SURVEY AT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, ONE OF THE CITIES INSIDE.

THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HAS SUNK SINCE THE 1965 FOOT FROM ALL THE GROUND WATER ON THE GROUND.

IT'S A REAL DEAL, SO WITH ALL THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT HAVE THESE SIDES DISTRICTS, IT'S CHEAPER TO COME TO MISSOURI COUNTY TO GET THE WATER SUPPLY BY SINKING WELLS, WHICH IS GOING TO PUT A HIGH DEMAND.

>> IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING IN THE NEXT 20 OR 30 YEARS, SO THEY WON'T COMMENT REALLY ON IF THEY THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? IF THEY THINK IT'S IMMINENT, THEY'LL SAY, NEXT TEN YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO START DOING THAT.

IT'S PROBABLY 20 YEARS OUT, MAYBE BEYOND THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY IF MISSOURI COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW LIKE WE EXPECTED TO, SUBSIDENCE REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ENACTED TO PRESERVE THAT GROUNDWATER SUPPLY AND TO MINIMIZE SUBSIDENCE.

THEN THERE'S OTHER SOURCES, BUT THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE COMPARED TO SURFACE WATER GROUNDWATER.

YOU CAN DESALINATE RACKET GROUNDWATER, WHICH BWA HAS A PROJECT DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN DESALINATE SEAWATER.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING MOVED FORWARD IN THE CORPUS CHRISTI AREA RIGHT NOW, AND I JUST HEARD OF ONE THAT THE MARSH CORPORATION IS PLANNING ON TRYING TO DO OUT OF GALVESTON BAY.

SEAWATER DESAL IS COMING TO TEXAS PRETTY SOON.

THEN YOU CAN USE RECLAIMED WASTEWATER.

YOU CAN USE IT FOR NON-POTABLE USES.

YOU CAN TAKE YOUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT INSTEAD OF DISCHARGING IT.

YOU CAN SEND IT THROUGH AN ADVANCED TREATMENT PROCESS AND USE IT FOR IRRIGATION OR YOU CAN COMINGLE IT WITH YOUR EXISTING WATER SUPPLY AND IT BECOMES PART OF YOUR POTABLE WATER SUPPLY AS WELL.

DIRECT POTABLE REUSE IS BEING DONE IN DICK SPRING RIGHT NOW,

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BEEN DONE FOR TEN OR 12 YEARS IN DICK SPRING.

HEL PASO IS JUST STARTING UP A VERY LARGE DIRECT POTABLE REUSE PROJECT.

I BELIEVE IT'S WICHITA FALLS.

THE LAKE THAT THEY DEPEND ON WENT REALLY, REALLY DOWN DURING THIS LAST DROUGHT, AND THEY IMPLEMENTED A DPR PROJECT.

THE FUNNY THING IS, WHEN THE LAKE LEVELS ROSE AND THEY TURNED OFF THE DPR PROJECT, THEIR CUSTOMERS COMPLAIN THEY LIKE THAT PETER TASTING REUSE ONE.

THEN THEY DID THE WATER OUT OF THE LAKE, BUT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE SOLUTIONS THAT YOU'RE NOT IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU NEED TO START LOOKING AT THOSE YET? THIS IS A COMPARISON OF DEMANDS AND YOUR YEAR SUPPLIES, AND WE LOOKED AT YOUR SUPPLIES TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

THE RED LINE IS IS YOUR PROJECTED WATER DEMANDS IN EIGHT FEET PER YEAR.

THIS IS YOUR ANNUAL WATER DEMAND.

THEN WE SAID, WELL, IF YOU'VE UTILIZED THAT FULL ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE SAID, YOUR GROUNDWATER WOULD BE AVAILABLE, HALF THAT MAX DAY CAPACITY SO THAT YOU HAVE SO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL WELL CAPACITY TO MEET YOUR MAX DAY DEMANDS.

IF YOU ASSUME THAT ANNUAL SUPPLY IS AVAILABLE, THAT'S THAT TOP LIGHT BLUE LINE.

YOU CAN YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR BWA SUPPLY, AND YOU SEE IT INTERSECTS YOUR DEMAND LINE ABOUT 2045, 2047.

THAT DOES DELAY NEED TO BRING IN NEW WATER SUPPLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, BUT IT DOES INCREASE YOUR RISK OF FAILURE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A WELL GO DOWN FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME OR SUBSIDENCE REGULATIONS COME IN, THEN YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO HAVE THAT MUCH WATER AVAILABLE FROM YOUR GROUNDWATER SUPPLIES.

WE SAY, LET'S BRACKET IT.

WHAT, IF WE ASSUME ONLY HALF THAT ANNUAL SUPPLY IS AVAILABLE WE TAKE A CONSERVATIVE LOOK, HOLD SOME OF THAT GROUNDWATER SUPPLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IN OUR POCKET? MAINTAIN IT AS A RESERVE.

IT WILL POSITION YOU TO MEET FUTURE SUBSIDENCE REGULATIONS, AND IT PROVIDES IN FLEXIBILITY IN THE TIMING OF WHEN YOU NEED TO BRING IN NEW SUPPLIES.

WELL, THAT'S THAT DARK BLUE BLUE AREA.

THAT'S THAT BWA SUPPLY, CURRENTLY, THAT 3.2 GD PLUS HALF OF YOUR ANNUAL SUPPLY THAT WE THINK YOU CAN GET FROM YOUR WELLS.

THAT GIVES YOU A SHORTAGE RIGHT AROUND 2038-2040, WHERE YOU START TO NEED TO BRING ON ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND SO YOU REALLY HAVE KIND OF A BUFFER THERE.

IF YOU PLAN FOR 50% OF YOUR WELL USE, KNOWING THAT MAYBE YOU CAN LAY A FEW PROJECTS, YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO UP TO THE 100% LINE.

YOU WANT TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT BUFFER ZONE.

>> BUT THE REAL KICKER FOR YOU IS ON YOUR MAXIMUM CAPACITY.

I REMEMBER ON THAT TABLE, THAT RED LINE FOR THE MAX DATE CAPACITY OCCURRED A DECADE BEFORE YOU NEED TO BRING ON ANNUAL SUPPLY.

THAT REALLY IT'S THE SPEED AT WHICH YOU CAN GET NEW WATER INTO YOUR SYSTEM.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL CAPACITY BY ABOUT 20:43 TO MEET YOUR MAXIMUM DATE DEMAND.

ONE INTERESTING THING, THAT'S JUST TO MEET THE DEMANDS THAT WE CALCULATED.

THE DEMAND FACTORS THAT WE USED BASED UPON YOUR CURRENT DEMAND PATTERNS ARE LESS THAN THAT 0.37 ACR THAT THE TCEQ HAS GIVEN YOU AS YOUR ALTERNATIVE CAPACITY REQUIREMENT.

IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT SLIGHTLY HIGHER DEMAND FACTOR, THE ACR, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED ABOUT TWO MILLION GALLONS A DAY GREATER JUST TO MEET YOUR TCEQ REQUIREMENTS.

THIS GRAPH SHOWS YOU JUST WHAT YOU NEED TO MEET, WHAT WE THINK YOUR DEMANDS ARE GOING TO BE.

TCEQ IS PROBABLY GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE ANOTHER TWO MGD CAPACITY ON TOP OF THAT.

THAT'S ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL [INAUDIBLE] REALLY.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS YOUR WATER SUPPLY PLAN.

IT'S REALLY BASED UPON YOUR MAX DAY NEEDS, COUPLED WITH WHAT DO YOU NEED ON AN AVERAGE ANNUAL BASIS, COUPLED WITH THE RISK OF NOT HAVING AVAILABLE SURFACE WATER FROM NEBRASSS BASIN TO OBTAIN 20 YEARS NOW AND THE RISK OF A FUTURE SUBSIENS DISTRICT.

WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING YOU DO IS THAT YOU NEGOTIATED A RESERVATION CONTRACT WITH BWA FOR AN ADDITIONAL 1.92 MGD.

I WOULD ROUND IT UP TO TWO MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR EASE.

INSTEAD OF A FULL TAKER PAY LIKE YOU'RE PAYING NOW NEGOTIATE

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A SMALLER LIGHTER RESERVATION FEE THAT JUST TELLS BWA THAT WHEN THEY DO DEVELOP THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, YOU'VE GOT YOUR THUMBPRINT ON IT, THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU THAT WATER BEFORE THEY GIVE IT TO ANYBODY ELSE.

BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING CONTACT BY ENTITIES THAT ARE COMING IN RESORT COUNTY OR OWING, THEY'RE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL WATER.

YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT WATER AVAILABLE TO YOU WHEN YOU NEED IT.

I WOULDN'T SAY TO DO A FULL TAKE OR PAY CONTRACT THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT UTILIZING ALL OF THAT WATER.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NEED TO UTILIZE THAT WATER FOR ANOTHER 10,15, 20 YEARS.

BUT A RESERVATION FEE WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AVENUE IF YOU COULD NEGOTIATE THAT.

>> EVERY TIME THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP THEY SAID NO.

>>TAKE YOUR PAY.

>> BUT RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THAT WATER.

UNTIL THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT WATER, MAYBE YOU CAN PAY A SMALLER RESERVATION FEE JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THE BOOKS AS YOU'RE THEIR NEXT CUSTOMER WHEN THEY DEVELOP THAT NEW SUPPLY.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PRETTY WELL TAPPED OUT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPLY.

THEN AT THE BACK END OF THE PLANNING, THEN ADD ON ADDITIONAL GROUND WATER WELLS REALLY TO MEET YOUR MAX DAY CAPACITY NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE.

EACH OF THOSE STAIRSTEPS WOULD BE A NEW WELL JUST TO STAY AHEAD OF THAT DEMAND CURVE.

YOU'VE GOT SOME FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE IF YOU MAX DAY DEMANDS ARE TAMPERED A LITTLE BIT AND NO INCREASE QUITE AS MUCH AS WE'RE SHOWING HERE, WELL, THAT JUST PUSHES OFF WHEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD THAT NEXT WELL.

YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD THOSE WELLS AHEAD OF THAT BWA SUPPLY.

VERY REASONABLE THING TO DO.

BUT IF YOU DO THAT IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE MAY NOT BE BWA SUPPLY AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO GET YOUR HANDS. THAT'S IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN GENERAL, IN YOUR UTILITY MASTER PLAN, FROM A WATER SYSTEM PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WHAT WE RECOMMEND YOU DO IN TERMS OF SECURING ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLIES TO REACH YOUR FUTURE GROWTH.

I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THERE'S SO MUCH.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.

>> DID YOU VISIT WITH HECTOR ON THE WATER WELLS, WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING THAT WE COULD REHAB?

>> WE HAVE THAT INCLUDED WITH SOME NOTATIONS IN THE PLAN.

>> ARE YOU INCLUDING THAT IN OUR CURRENT CAPACITY OR OUR FUTURE CAPACITY?

>> THAT COULD BE PART OF THE STAIRSTEP ON THAT ROUND PART.

WE DID NOT INCLUDE THEM AS CORRECT SUPPLY.

BECAUSE ONE, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY ACTUALLY CAN BE REHAB OR NOT.

WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY TO FIND OUT.

>> ELEVATED STORAGE TANK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, YOU HAD IN HERE FOR 10 MILLION.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE NUMBER? THESE ARE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.

>> I'VE ACTUALLY GOT THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE TALKING NOW IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER NOT THAT FAR OFF.

>> WE DID REQUEST COST ESTIMATES FROM A COUPLE OF THE MAJOR PLAN.

>> I'VE GOT THE COST WHAT WOULD BE FROM LANDMARK.

POST COVID, THOSE PRICES, WE COSTED OUT CENTRAL TEXAS AND CENTRAL US AND THEY JUST ESCALATE CRAZY.

>> ASK WITH TARIFFS THAT ARE COMING IN ON STEEL.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE COMING US THE PLAN FOR.

>> I QUESTION THE LAND PLAN A LITTLE BIT.

SOME THAT YOU HAVE A ZERO.

I THINK COULD ALSO BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS WHILE YOU HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE AT 100% THAT I THINK MIGHT GO LONGER.

I'M NOT SURE THE INPUTS GIVEN THERE.

I WOULD TAKE EXCEPTION TO SOME OF THE INPUT.

>> THOSE PROJECTIONS, THOSE PERCENTAGES WERE COORDINATED WITH CITY BUILDING SERVICES AS WELL.

WE'VE MET THEM A NUMBER OF TIMES TO GET THE LOCATIONS AND THE ESTIMATED BUILD OUT RATE OVER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.

>> OBVIOUSLY, THAT PART OF OUR CRYSTAL BALL IS THE FUZZIEST.

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>> THAT'S THE DRIVER OF THE PLAY.

THE BEST KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE.

THAT'S HOW THE PLAN SET UP.

>> BUT IF ONE GOES HIGHER AND ONE GOES SLOW, IT TENDS TO AVERAGE OUT.

PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF TIME FRAMES WITHIN ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENT AREAS.

YOU COULD TAKE ONE OF THOSE ORANGE AREAS WHICH HAS 0% IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND YOU GET A DEVELOPER COME IN AND SAY, LET'S GO NOW.

THEN WE HAVE TO WE'D HAVE TO ADAPT.

BUT THAT'S WHERE IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD DO AN UPDATE TO THE CIP.

WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW YOU TO UPDATE YOUR IMPACT FEES WHEN AND IF YOU DECIDE TO ENACT IT.

>> THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT OR WASTEWATER CIP, YOU GOT $22 MILLION IN THERE? THAT'S WITH INI REDUCTION?

>> YES, SIR. THAT IS.

>> DOES THAT INCLUDE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PLANNED?

>> NO. I THINK THAT'S WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.

>> YOU HAVE TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

>> THE I&I REDUCTION, THE PROJECTS TO DO WITH THE I&I REDUCTION ARE NOT IN THERE.

THOSE PROJECTS AREN'T IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE.

THOSE ARE JUST PROJECTS TO HANDLE THE NEW FLOWS THAT ARE COMING.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THE CITY DOES AN I&I REDUCTION.

THEN THE FLOW COMES DOWN SO MUCH AND THESE ARE THE COSTS OF THOSE PROJECTS VERSUS IF IT'S HERE.

BUT LIKE THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, L STATION 8, L STATION 24, THOSE AREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR THIS.

THIS IS ONLY LOOKING AT CAPACITY.

THIS ISN'T LOOKING AT [OVERLAPPING].

>> [INAUDIBLE] I&I WHEN YOU DO LIVE STATION EIGHT?

>> YES.

>> STATION 24?

>> YES.

>> IT'S NOT REDUCING I&I IS JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL PUMPING CAPACITY.

>> WE'RE DOING PIPE BURSTING. WE'RE DOING QUITE A BIT OF PIPE BURSTING, AND WE'RE DOING [OVERLAPPING].

>> OFTEN HERE.

>> BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING OVER THAT ON WHAT THE PAST SEVERAL SESSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSING INFRASTRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SEWER SYSTEM.

>> BUT THAT COST FOR THAT IS NOT IN THAT 21 MILLION.

MIKE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IN THE COST TO DO THE I&I REDUCTION?

>> NO. I DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR.

>> THAT'S NOT ACCOUNT. THAT IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO HANDLE DEVELOPMENT AFTER I&I REDUCTION IS.

THAT'S WHERE [INAUDIBLE].

AS YOU KEEP THE I&I AS IT IS NOW, IT'S THE 50 MILLION.

IF YOU DO I&I PROJECTS, WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER, THEN IT BRINGS DOWN TO HANDLE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN AT 20.

>> I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE PROJECTS NECESSARILY BE.

THE I&I STUDY FOR QUARTER OF $1 MILLION OF SOME ACTUAL FLOW MEASUREMENT WOULD HELP US IDENTIFY BETTER WHAT THOSE PROJECTS NEED TO BE REDUCED THAT?

>> THE PLANNING DOCUMENT IS BASED ON VOLUMES AND CAPACITY OF MOVING FLOW.

IT'S NOT BASED ON CONDITIONS AND WHAT HOW TO REPAIR CONDITIONS OF THE PIPE.

>> NO THERE MAY BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, OR MAYBE SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN THOSE WHERE INSTEAD OF DOING A REPAIR OR DOING SOME CONDITION REMEDIATION, OR IS REPLACED WITH NEW PIPE OF LARGER CAPACITY.

THAT SURPLUS CAPACITY THEN WOULD BE INFECT THE ELIGIBLE, I DON'T KEEP HARPING ON THAT, BUT JUST OBVIOUSLY, AFFORDABILITY IS A CONCERN FOR EVERYBODY.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PLAN, THE GOAL IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE MOST PROBLEMATIC AREAS IN ANGLETON BECAUSE OF THE FLAT TOPOGRAPHY.

IT HAS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE EVERY TIME IF I HAVE ADDITIONAL FLOW OF AN AREA X ON THE PERIPHERY OF TOWN IT HAS TO GET MOVED THROUGH OFTENTIMES MULTIPLE LIFT STATIONS IN THE SERIES.

TO INCREASE THAT CAPACITY AT THE FIRST LIFT STATION, YOU HAVE TO INCREASE CAPACITIES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO YOU GET TO THE PLANT.

YOU HAVE THIS FOLLOW ON EFFECT.

ANYTIME THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE TO INCREASE CAPACITY ON THE PERIPHERY, MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE FOLLOW ON PROJECTS, AND THAT'S HOW THOSE COSTS COME DOWN SO CONSIDERLY.

>> THEN PART OF THAT 10 YEAR CIP FOR THE WASTEWATER INCLUDES THE COST TO GO BRING WASTEWATER SERVICE TO THESE NEW DEVELOPMENT AREAS.

THAT'S PART OF IT, AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY NEEDED TO MOVE CLOSE DOWN THE WASTEWATER.

>> WHAT MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY IS A GREAT POINT TO MAKE.

SAY WE IDENTIFY SAY WE DO A SSSI, AND WE IDENTIFY AN AREA THAT HAS HEAVY NI, RIGHT, WHERE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO THAT LINE.

WELL, IF THAT LINE NEEDS TO BE UPSIZED.

>> THEN THAT PUTS IT THAT PUTS IT IN A POSITION WHERE IT.

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>> IT COULD BE CIP.

>> PORTION OF THAT CAPACITY. COULD YOU SEE CIP?

>> RIGHT.

>> NOT THE WHOLE LINE, BUT THE SIZING OF THE LINE, WHATEVER THAT UPSIZING IS.

>> BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE CONDITION OF IT IS FOR UPSIZING IT, THAT'S A CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT, AND THAT FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY.

>> EXACTLY.

>> I KIND OF WISH THIS PLAN.

WE HAD MORE DISCUSSION ON WELLS VERSUS USING BWA WATER, OR USING AN ALTERNATIVE, A DIFFERENT PROVIDER.

I'M CONCERNED THAT IF I WAS TO GO AND INVEST $17 MILLION TO PUT A NEW TRANSMISSION LINE OF BWA.

WHEN WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THAT BWA HAS LIMITED CAPACITY AT THE MOMENT.

THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ON THE WATER RIGHTS AND HOW MUCH WATER IS GOING TO BE IN THE GRASSES RIVER IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN TAP INTO.

WHY WOULD WE WANT TO INVEST THAT MONEY IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LONG TERM PLAN IS THERE.

I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON D SELL.

I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON ADDITIONAL STORAGE.

BUT IS IT REALLY A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THE CITIZEN HERE? COULD THERE BE ANOTHER GROUP THAT WE BUILD? COULD WE USE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITY?

>> THAT'S WHAT DAVID AND I TALKED ABOUT.

FOR THIS PLAN, WE LOOKED AT WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IF THE CITY OF ANGLETON HAD TO GO ON ITSELF. THAT'S THAT COST.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BWA.

BECAUSE YOU CAN CAPTURE THAT COST IN YOUR IMPACT FEES IF YOU GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

BECAUSE YOU CAN CAPTURE THAT COST IF YOU HAVE TO GO ON YOUR OWN.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH BWA, WHERE IF THE CITY OF ANGLETON OR THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND ANOTHER ENTITY WOULD BUY THREE MGD MORE WATER AND START.

THERE'S TWO PAYMENT IN THERE.

THERE'S THE MAINTENANCE AND THERE'S THE ACTUAL WORK THAT NOW THAT NUMBER MAY HAVE FLUCTUATED BECAUSE THAT WAS THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, THAT THEY WILL START BUILDING THAT LINE.

IT'S NOT THAT 17 MILLION GUARANTEED HAS TO BE SPAYED BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT LINE CAN BE DONE.

BUT THIS IS A WAY FOR YOU TO IDENTIFY IF YOU HAD TO PUT THAT LINE IN RIGHT NOW TO WHERE YOU CAN CAPTURE THAT COST AND BE ABLE TO PUT THAT INTO THE IMPACT FEE.

>> CHANCES ARE BWA WOULD PAY FOR THAT LINE AND YOUR FEES TO THEM WOULD FUND IT ESSENTIALLY.

>> EXACTLY.

>> BUT WHAT WOULD YOUR PORTION COST YOU ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT WE DID.

WE WENT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION JUST FOR COST AND PURPOSES, WHAT HAVE YOU BUILT A LINE YOURSELF? THEN BOUGHT WATER FROM BWA TO PUT IN THAT LINE.

THAT'S THE HIGHEST IT WOULD BE.

YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BUY WATER FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, PUT IT IN AN EQUIVOCAL LINE.

WE DIDN'T LOOK AT ANY OTHERS BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU ALREADY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH BWA.

THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY COMMITTED TO PROVIDING YOU WITHIN REASON HOW MUCH WATER YOU NEED.

AS LONG AS YOU LOCK IT IN IN TIME.

THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WENT OUT FROM BWA ABOUT A YEAR AGO, ASKING CITY AND A LOT OF THE OTHER CUSTOMER CITIES, HOW MUCH WATER ARE YOU GOING TO NEED? WE SENT THAT LETTER IN.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM [INAUDIBLE].

NO. WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM, BUT I THINK THEY'RE TAKING ALL THAT ADVISEMENT FOR THEIR PLAN AND IT MAY BE THERE A SHOPPING PLAN.

WE HAVE TO PROVIDE HOW MUCH WATER? BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT NEWS FROM THEM YET.

>> BUT YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THAT 17 MILLION WE KNEW THAT WOULD BE A EYEBROW RAISER.

THAT'S THAT IS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THOSE FEES IF YOU WENT IN BY YOURSELF WHEN THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

>> IT'S AS IF YOU WENT IN BY YOURSELF, THEN THAT NUMBER WOULD BE WOULD BE IMPACT.

IT MIGHT GET PAID A DIFFERENT WAY TO BE BWA.

>> BUT THERE IS A COST THAT NEEDS TO BE CAPTURED.

>> THEN I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW, I'M ON SOME ALTERNATE ROUTE OF SCOPE IN THE CITY'S WATER RIGHT NOW.

OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

WE WERE TALKING WELL REHAB ELEVATED STORAGE, NOT UTILIZING THE WATER THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN AN ALLOTMENT FROM BWA TO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.

>> YEAH. THAT'S WHY I SAID I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN WATER WELLS AND REHABBING AND ADDING CAPACITY INSIDE THE CITY, AND NEEDING ADDITIONAL WATER IN THE FIVE, 10-YEAR TERM.

I GET THIS IS GOING OUT TO 2073 OR SOMETHING.

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BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES WE PROBABLY COULD FOLLOW.

>> BUT AS DAVID SAID ON THAT MAP THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THAT EXHIBIT, THAT THE ADDITIONAL CITY GROUNDWATER CAN BE MOVED DOWN BELOW IT.

HE WAS JUST SAYING, IT MAY BEHOOVE THE CITY TO GO AHEAD AND CAPTURE THAT LIMITED WATER THAT THEY MAY HAVE FROM A DESAL PLANT OR WHATEVER.

NOW, WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

BUT YOU CAN MOVE IT AROUND TO WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL GROUNDWATER FROM THE REHAB WELLS OR THE ADDITIONAL WELLS CAN BE MOVED DOWN [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT SOUNDS AWFUL WE'RE BEING ASKED TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL WATER WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE.

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING IT NOW, AND WE'RE NOT USING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IT.

>> BUT WE ARE AT LEAST IF THESE GROWTH PROJECTIONS PLAY OUT, YOU WILL BE USING THAT WATER.

THAT'S THE BIG UNKNOWN WHEN WE'RE PLANNING FOR WATER SUPPLY IS HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO NEED AND WHEN? WE HAVE, I THINK A PRETTY REASONABLE GROWTH CURVE FOR THE CITY.

I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT GOVERNING BODIES SAY, WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR WATER NOW THAT WE'RE NOT USING? I CAN EXPLAIN IT IN ONE CONTEXT.

YOU ALL HEARD OF THE DROUGHT OF THE '50S, STARTED IN THE '40S AND IN 1957.

WELL, BECAUSE OF THAT DROUGHT, THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WHEN I SAY STATE OF TEXAS, I MEAN, REALLY DIFFERENT RIVER AUTHORITIES, CITIES, WATER DISTRICTS, INVESTED IN BUILDING A TON OF RESERVOIR STORAGE.

YOU SAW RESERVOIRS POPPING UP ALL OVER THE STATE IN THE '60S AND '70S.

PEOPLE HAD TO PAY FOR THAT WATER SUPPLY THEN.

THEY KNEW THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE UTILIZING IT FOR A GENERATION FOR 50 YEARS HENCE.

THE STATE IS NOW AT A POINT WHERE WE'VE GROWN INTO THOSE WATER SUPPLIES, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE IN A LOT OF AREAS.

BUT THAT WAS A GENERATIONAL DECISION THAT COMMITTEE LEADERS MADE BACK IN THE '60S TO SET THEMSELVES UP.

I KNOW THERE ARE CITIES THAT CONTRACTED FOR SUPPLY FROM THE RESERVOIR [INAUDIBLE] TAKE OR PAY BASIS, THAT THEY'RE TODAY ONLY UTILIZING ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY CONTRACTED FOR FROM THE [INAUDIBLE].

THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF GIVING THAT UP AND LET THE BRA SELL TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE THEY REALIZE 30 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT WATER IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN TO GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.

THAT'S THAT'S A MINDSET, I'D LEAST LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF WHAT A GENERATION INVESTMENT SHOULD BE.

>> WELL, I THINK WE'RE ALL CONSIDERING THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON FOR A LOT OF THOSE RESERVOIR CONSTRUCTIONS EITHER THOUGH.

THERE WERE OTHER THINGS SUCH AS FLOOD CONTROL THAT WERE A HEAVY INFLUENCE IN THOSE AS WELL.

>> RIGHT. SOME ARE FLOOD CONTROL, BUT THEY PAID TO PUT THE WATER CONSERVATION PORTION OF IT IN.

IF IT WAS A CORPS OF ENGINEERS [INAUDIBLE], YOU LOOK AT LAKE LIVINGSTON, IT WAS NOT BUILT FOR FLOOD CONTROL.

ANY FLOOD JUST PASSES RIGHT THROUGH LAKE LIVINGSTON.

THERE'S NO FLOOD CONTROL AT ALL, IT WAS BUILT WATER SUPPLY.

IT'S STILL NOT FULLY UTILIZED ON A FORMULAR BASIS, BUT IT WILL AT SOME POINT.

WE SEE THE SAME WITH LAKE TRAVIS, CITY OF AUSTIN.

WE SEE IT WITH LAKE ALAN HENRY, CITY OF LUBBOCK.

EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE STATE, FOLKS INVESTED IN WATER SUPPLY THAT THEY KNEW THEY WOULDN'T USE FOR 30 YEARS.

IN ONE SENSE, WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR FROM BWA AND THAT TAKER PAY IS HAVING THAT WATER AVAILABLE TO YOU WHEN YOU NEED IT.

I REALIZE IT'S A STICKER SHOCK.

IT'S A HIGH PRICE TO PAY.

>> YOU WALK INTO A LOADED DISCUSSION.

>> OH, YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] I KNEW WE'D BE WALKING INTO THIS DISCUSSION. THAT'S IT.

>> OUR CHARGE AS ENGINEER IS BASICALLY TO IDENTIFY RISK, BUT THAT'S OUR PRIMARY GOAL.

THE CONCERN HERE IS WHAT SUPPLY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU WHEN YOU NEED IT? HOW WE TEND TO MITIGATE RISK IS IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO SECURE THOSE SUPPLIES WHEREVER POSSIBLE BEFORE YOU RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE NO MORE RUNWAY.

>> YEAH, BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK OUTSIDE THE BOX A LITTLE BIT AND LOOK AT OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, NOT JUST BWA.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LIKE DIRECTLY CONTRACTING WITH BRA?

>> I'D BE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS.

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT THING TO DO WITH THE CITIZENS.

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE CITIZENS AND NOT BEING IN THE CONDITION THAT WE'RE IN NOW.

>> I THINK THE OPTION THAT DAVID MENTIONED WAS USING YOUR GROUNDWATER IS THE CHEAPEST FORM.

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>> WHICH I AGREE WITH [OVERLAPPING] WE'VE BEEN GOING FORWARD.

>> THAT WAS WHAT WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON AND WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO IS SECURE THE WATER AVAILABLE BACK FROM BWA WHILE STILL THERE WAS SOME NEGOTIATIONS.

INSTEAD OF DOING THE GROUNDWATER AND THE GROUNDWATER IS TAKE AND THEN GO AND TRY TO DO NEGOTIATIONS AT THAT TIME.

WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN BECAUSE, I KNEW THIS WOULD BE A POINT OF CONTINGENCY BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

>> IT SHOULD BE A POINT OF CONTENTION, POINT OF DISCUSSION BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE THESE DIFFICULT DECISIONS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

>> BUT YOU CAN OFFSET THAT BY DOING THE ADDITIONAL GROUND WELLS BEFORE YOU START NEGOTIATING, WHICH WAS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AND TALKING, AND HECTOR HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO THE REHAB ON THE WELLS.

>> WELL, IN OUR PLANNING THAT WE'VE HAD HERE BEFORE.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST AS YOU SAID, IT'S A LITTLE SHOT TEST BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING AND THE PATH FORWARD.

REALLY HAD A FEW COMPONENTS IN THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR WASTE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM, THE I AND I COMPONENT THAT'S RELATED TO THE SEWER SYSTEM, THE GROUNDWATER FROM OUR WELLS AND ELEVATED STORAGE.

THAT WAS WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO GET US ON A PATH.

I MEAN, I LIKE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, I THINK YOUR LINES A LITTLE STEEP.

>> I ALSO YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT GENERATIONAL.

THIS COUNCIL TOOK THREE YEARS AGO IN ACTION TO INCREASE THAT STORAGE OUT THERE.

WHICH ONE IS IT THE DOW HARRIS RESERVOIR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GENERATIONAL.

HOWEVER, OUR LINE IS TAPPED OUT.

TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT EXTRA WATER THERE, THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR, AND THE CITIZENS HAVE PAID FOR TO BE BUILT OUT OVER THERE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER LINE IN.

OR I WISH THAT WAS EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT CLEAR WHENEVER WE WERE DOING THAT, THAT WE WERE PAYING FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE RESERVOIR THAT WE CAN'T USE BECAUSE WE'RE OUR LINE TAPPED OUT, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR ANOTHER LINE.

>> YOU MEAN ANOTHER LINE FROM THE RESERVOIR TO BWA FACILITY?

>> NO. FROM BWA TO US.

OUR LINE IS COMPLETELY AT CAPACITY.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU SAYING THIS.

>> THAT ACTION WAS TAKEN FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO WHERE THEY SAID, THERE'S A VERY LITTLE AMOUNT OF WATER LEFTOVER.

YOU CAN TAKE IT NOW, OR WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THIS TO RICHMOND, ROSENBERG.

[OVERLAPPING] WHICH IS WHY WE PAID FOR THE WATER WITH THE HOUSES THAT WE HAD COMING IN.

NOW WE HAVE EXCESS WATER COMING FROM BWA.

BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN USING ALL OF IT.

YOU MENTIONED THAT TAKE OR PAY OR SOME TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT, IT'S NEVER BEEN PRESENTED TO US THAT WE COULD DO ANYTHING ALTERNATIVE TO TAKE OR PAY.

>> SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SUPPLY CAPACITY YET, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PLAN TO HAVE IT.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME ROOM FOR NEGOTIATING SOME FORM OF RESERVATION FEE.

JUST TO PUT YOUR FINGER ON THAT WATER SO THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN.

WE REALLY DID NOT LOOK AT NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES TO SEE IF THEY HAD WATER TO PROVIDE?

>> I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION.

>> IT MIGHT BE WE CAN LOOK.

>> IT ALSO MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH ANOTHER CITY OR ANY TYPE OF ENTITY TO MAYBE SHARE WATER BETWEEN US.

>> I THINK AN IMPORTANT POINT FOR THE PLAN THAT PREPARES FOR THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

THE COSTS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WOULD BE COMMON COSTS IRRESPECTIVE OF WHERE YOU'RE RECEIVING THE WATER FROM, IF IT'S GROUND WATER WELLS.

I MIGHT BE SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATION DELIVERED TO THIS PLANT VERSUS THAT OTHER PLAN.

BUT THE ACTUAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, NETWORK IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE NECESSARY TO SERVE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT THE EXPECTATION OF THE SUPPLY WILL BE AVAILABLE AT A FACILITY TO MOVE IT INTO THAT SYSTEM.

THE BULK OF THAT IS GOING TO BE COMMON TO ANY PLAN.

IF YOU CHOOSE THE CITY DOESN'T WANT IT YOU HAVE FURTHER CONTRACTS WITH BWA POINT CONTENTION THERE, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE FISCAL SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY, THEN WATER WELLS BRING THOSE OR MIGHT INCORPORATE THAT SUPPLY, WOULD BE SOMEWHAT EVEN INDEPENDENT OF THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE IT'S JUST INSTEAD OF BWA DELIVERING IT TO A PLANT, IT'S BEING PRODUCED A WELLS IS DELIVERED TO THE PLANT AND THEN BE PUMPED OUT.

>> WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WATER SUPPLY?

>> RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST, YEAH.

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>> DEPENDING UPON THE SUPPLY YOU ACTUALLY BRING IN, THERE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT COSTS TO YOUR SYSTEM.

THE WELL COSTS THAT WE PUT IN, WE ASSUMED A CERTAIN LENGTH OF PIPE WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE WELL.

WE ASSUME THE GROUND STORAGE TANK WOULD NEED BOOST PUMP STATION.

THERE'S PLACES WHERE YOU CAN COMBINE WELLS INTO A SINGLE GROUND STORAGE TANK AND BOOST FROM A SINGLE PUMP STATION THAT WOULD REDUCE COSTS.

THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED DURING THE DESIGN PHASE OF WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THE WELL. YOU CAN DECIDE.

LET'S HANG OUR HAT ON OUR LOCAL GROUND WATER NOW.

PUSH THAT BROWN STAIRSTEP, DOWN TO WHERE YOU NEEDED.

AND THEN PUT THE GREEN ON TOP AND PUSH IT OUT THE BACK.

THAT'S JUST BETTING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE WATER AVAILABLE IN THAT GREEN AREA WHEN YOU NEED IT.

>> THE GREEN AREA DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE BWA, TO BE THAT OR ANOTHER PROVIDER [OVERLAPPING]

>> YOU'RE RIGHT. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BWA.

S. AND THAT PUSHES THAT DECISION DOWN THE ROAD FOR FURTHER OUT TIME.

>> THE DIVERSIFICATION OF WATER SUPPLY IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT AS SUPPLIES ARE LESS DURABLE.

AGAIN, FROM A RISK MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, HAVING SUB DIVERSITY OF THAT SUPPLY AND SUB SURPLUS IN CASE IF IT DOWN OR A SUPPLY GETS INTERRUPTED, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO INTERRUPT SERVICE TO THE CUSTOMERS.

>> AS FAR AS OTHER PLACES TO RECEIVE WATER LOOKING IN, THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF SURFACE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS THAT ARE AROUND HERE.

IT'S GOING TO BE SOME A TRANSMISSION SYSTEM, OR ARE YOU WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF ANGLETON WANTS TO MAYBE START LOOKING AT ITS OWN SURFACE WATER CAPABILITIES WITH AREA ENTITIES SUCH AS MUG DISTRICTS OR.

>> I'M OPEN TO LOOKING AT EVERY [OVERLAPPING]

>> WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS.

AS JOHN SAID OUT OF THE BOX. THANK YOU.

THERE'S ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU GUYS, HAVE ALL OBVIOUSLY DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH HERE, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BRINGING THE UGLY TO THE TABLE. [LAUGHTER]

>> WELL, [OVERLAPPING] YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> OH, YES YOU CAN HELP.

>> I MEAN, IT IS HELPFUL.

LOOK, THIS IS THE RAINY DAY PICTURE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BWA AND SUPPLY CAPACITY.

DO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS?

>> AS WHAT THEY CAN PROVIDE RIGHT NOW? THEY THEY'VE TOLD US THEY CAN SUPPLY [OVERLAPPING]

>> SO THAT 192 COMES FROM 192.

>> WELL, 192 IS REALLY WENT IN.

THEY THEY TOLD US VERSUS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY CAN SUPPLY IT TO THREE.

IF WE COULD FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO JOIN IN THAT PLAN.

WE CAN FIND ANOTHER CUSTOMER SUCH THAT THE COMBINED WOULD BE 3 MGD OR MORE, AND THEY CAN BUILD THAT PARALLEL [INAUDIBLE]

>> WELL, I THINK MY QUESTION REALLY IS AND I'M MAKING SURE THAT I'M ON THE SAME PAGES AS YOU GUYS.

ARE THEY ABLE TO MEET THEIR OBLIGATION TO US FOR WATER ON A DAILY BASIS?

>> RIGHT NOW?

>> IF WE TOOK WHAT THEY WERE OBLIGATED TO SUPPLY US, ARE THEY ABLE TO MEET THAT OBLIGATION?

>> YES. THE ADDITIONAL 0.3 MGD THAT THEY'VE GOT THAT WE RECENTLY PURCHASED, THEY CAN GET THAT WATER TO THE CITY OF HAMILTON.

THERE WAS SOME WATER THAT BECAME AVAILABLE.

THEY CAN GET THAT TO HAMILTON.

>> [OVERLAPPING] I WAS GOING TO SAY IF WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE PURCHASING AN AMOUNT OF CAPACITY THAT THEY'RE NOT CAPABLE OF SUPPLYING US, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

>> FOR SURE.

>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT TAKING BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN'T DO FULLY SUPPLY TO US.

>> THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT HARRIS EXPANSION.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW DOW CHEMICAL DIVERTS WATER FROM THE RESERVOIR AUTHORITY.

BWA HAS WATER RIGHTS, AND I THINK THEY MAY HAVE SOME WATER CONTRACT WITH THE RESERVOIR AUTHORITY AS WELL.

BUT DOW CHEMICAL HAS THEIR WATER RIGHTS, AND THEN THEY HAVE A CONTRACT, MULTIPLE ONE CONTRACT WITH RESERVOIR AUTHORITY, THEY DIVERT ON BEHALF OF BOTH DOW CHEMICAL AND BWA INTO HARRISON MISSOURI RESERVOIRS.

>> P1 AND P2.

>> WE ACTUALLY DID THAT WORK INITIALLY FOR DOW CHEMICAL 15 YEARS AGO, WHERE WE IDENTIFIED THAT IN THE EVENT OF A DROUGHT SIMILAR TO THE '50S DROUGHT, THAT DOW CHEMICAL WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL STORAGE TO GET THEM THROUGH THAT DROUGHT PERIOD.

THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THEM STARTING ON THAT NEW HARRIS RESERVOIR.

IT'S NOT A NEW SUPPLY, BUT IT INCREASES THE RELIABILITY OF THAT SUPPLY.

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BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE RELIABILITY OF DOW SUPPLY, IT ALSO INCREASES THE RELIABILITY OF BWA SUPPLY SINCE IT'S BEING PUMPED THROUGH THE SAME SYSTEM.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE NEW HARRIS RESERVOIR GETS YOU IS IT BUMPS UP THAT RELIABILITY.

BUMPS UP THAT CERTAINTY THAT BWA WILL HAVE WATER TO PROVIDE YOU WHEN A DROUGHT SIMILAR TO THE '50S OR WORSE HITS.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT NEW HARRIS RESERVOIR IS FOR.

>> BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THE CITY CAN CURRENTLY GET THE WATER THEY'RE PURCHASING TO THE CITY.

WE NEED TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR IF ROSENBERG OR RICHMOND, OR ONE OF THESE OTHER ENTITIES NEED SOME ADDITIONAL WATER.

BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO UPSIZE THAT LINE.

THE MAGIC NUMBER FOR THAT LINE TO BE UPSIZED IS 3 MGD, DON'T MATTER WHERE IT COMES FROM.

JUST THAT LINE HAS GOT TO BE UPSIZED TO 3 MG. AGAIN, THAT NUMBER PROBABLY CHANGED MAYBE [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO?

>> YEAH. FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.

SO MAYBE IT'S 3.2 NOW OR SOMETHING.

>>> OR FIVE.

>> WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMING IN IN THESE COMMUNITIES, THAT IS GOING TO BE A VERY PLAUSIBLE NUMBER TO BE REACHED WITHIN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS BECAUSE OF THE IF THEY GOT AT RICHMOND, ROSENBERG, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN HAMILTON, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING LAKE JACKSON EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> THAT'S WHY BWA SENT OUT THAT LETTER AND ASKED US TO RESPOND ASK THE CITY TO RESPOND BACK.

HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO NEED? WE TOLD THEM, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 1.92 AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE I SENT A LETTER TO BUT IT WAS TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE AND NOT JUST CURRENT BWA CUSTOMERS AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND.

I BET THEY GOT A BIG COMBINED NUMBER BACK, AND I BET THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF SHOCK WITH ME MY GUESS.

BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM YET ABOUT THAT RESPONSE OF THAT WE SENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ENJOYED THE CONVERSATION FOR SURE.

IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION.

>> YEAH. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

>> I APPRECIATE COUNSEL'S QUESTIONS, PEOPLE.

>> IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE.

>> IT'S ONES THAT THEY CARE ABOUT, AND I'VE SEEN THE FRONT END OF THIS PREVIOUS LIFE THAT HARRIS' ASSET WAS UNDER MY UMBRELLA WITH DOUBT.

I'M REALLY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ITEM NUMBER 11,

[11. Discussion and possible action on the purchase of 2026 Dump Truck through Houston Galveston Area Council (H-GAC) Buy Board, for the price of $159,975; also purchase a new Gradall XL3100 4x2 Series V with a fixed thumb gabble, for the price of $543,560.72]

DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PURCHASE OF A 2026 DUMP TRUCK BY THE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL BOARD FOR THE PRICE OF $159,975.

ALSO PURCHASE A NEW RAD ALL EXCEL 3,104 BY TWO SERIES V WITH A FIXED THUMB GAVEL FOR THE PRICE OF $543,560.72.

>> BB AND PP.

>> MAYOR COUNCIL. [OVERLAPPING] THESE EQUIPMENT PURCHASES ARE BEING DONE BY THE EMERGENCY NOTE THAT WE STILL HAVE LEFT.

LOOKING OVER THE EMERGENCY NOTE, THERE IS A CLAUSE THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN BUY EQUIPMENT FOR THE USE OF ANY HURRICANE OR EMERGENCY REPAIRS.

WE'RE USING THESE FUNDS TO PURCHASE THESE TWO EQUIPMENT.

WE HAVE USED UP ALL THE MONEY, DOWN TO 28,000, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE LEFT.

WE HAVE ONLY RECEIVED $101,000 BACK FROM THE BARREL [INAUDIBLE].

>> LET'S SEE, WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? WHAT DID WE GET A PROPOSAL FOR THE TRUCK? IT'S FINE. I SEE IT.

I'M LOOKING AT IT ON THERE.

>> HOUSTON RAY LINE.

>> YUP. I COULDN'T GET MY COMPUTER WOULDN'T LOAD STUFF UP, SO I JUST GAVE UP ON IT.

LET'S SEE THE GRADE.

IT'S COMING WITH THAT DING GRADING BUCKET?

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>> YES.

>> YOU WANT TO GRAPPLE FOR IT AS WELL?

>> CORRECT.

>> WAS IT THE COST OF THIS THING THAT WAS MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT TO GET IT INTO WHEEL DRIVE, OR DID WE EVEN LOOK AT THAT? [INAUDIBLE] I MEAN, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T PLAN ON EVEN GETTING OFF THE PAVEMENT AT ALL, THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL RIGHT.

BUT IF YOU DO, YOU'D BETTER HAVE SOMETHING THERE TO PULL IT OUT.

>> YEAH. THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET OFF.

WE'RE PRIMARILY GOING TO TRY TO USE THE GRAY ONE FOR ITEMS, BUT SEE HOW RELIABLE IT'S BEEN FOR US.

>> WELL, WE DON'T PLAN ON LETTING THAT ONE GO BY THE WAY SIDE.

WE PLAN ON REFURBISHING THAT ONE.

>> CORRECT.

>> BECAUSE WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT MACHINE COMPLETELY FOR LESS THAN HALF THE COST OF ONE OF THESE.

>> THE ONE WE PLAN ON SURPLUSING IS WE HAVE THE OLD YELLOW ONE BACK THERE, STILL RUNS, AND THAT'S THE ONE WE'LL PLAN ON SURPLUSING.

I BELIEVE IT'S A 2000 OR MAYBE 99 OR SOMETHING.

>> HOW EASY IS IT TO GET THE BUCKET AND THE GRAPPLE SWAPPED OUT ON THIS? HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO IT?

>> YEAH, IT'S NOT TOO BAD.

IT'S JUST ONE BOLT ATTACHMENT.

THAT'S ALL. CHANGE OUT IN 10 MINUTES OR 15 MINUTES.

>> HYDRAULIC CONNECTION OF [INAUDIBLE].

>> YEAH, HYDRAULIC CONNECTION LINES AS WELL.

>> YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE TRUCK?

>> YES. THAT TRUCK IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

IT'S JUST A BRAND NEW MODEL, AND IT'S ALSO AUTOMATIC BECAUSE THERE ARE 22 CDO HOLDERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT CAN'T DRIVE A STANDARD.

IT ACTUALLY OPENS THE DOOR UP A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR US?

>> FAIR ENOUGH.

>> I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE COSTS WE'RE GOING TO INCUR? WE HAVE TWO CDL DRIVERS NOW.

YOU'RE GOING TO TRAIN MORE? GET MORE CERTIFIED.

>> IN PREVIOUS BUDGETS, I HAVE SUBMITTED, I HAVE TRIED TO GET EXTRA FUNDING FOR TRAINING TO BE ABLE TO SEND PEOPLE TO GET CDLS.THE THING ABOUT CDLS TODAY IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE $3 TO $6 THOUSAND PER PERSON TO SEND THEM TO THOSE COURSES TO GET THEM.

ALSO, ON TOP OF THAT, WE DON'T QUITE HAVE THE POSITIONS FOR THAT.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN MY DEPARTMENT OF MAINTENANCE TECH MAKE 16- 23 AN HOUR.

EVEN IF YOU DID HAPPEN TO TRAIN SOMEBODY, GET A CDL, AND EVEN IF YOU HAD THEM SIGN SOME TYPE OF TUITION AGREEMENT WHERE THEY'D BE LIABLE FOR IT UP TO TWO YEARS.

I'M PRETTY SURE AFTER TWO YEARS, IF THEY'RE STILL MAKING $16 AN HOUR, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON, TOO.

IF WE WANT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CDL DRIVERS, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE FOR IT.

CURRENTLY, THE ONLY THING THEY GET IS $600 ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AS A CERTIFICATION BONUS THAT THEY GET PAID OUT, WHICH I THINK EQUATES TO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LIKE 58, WHAT WAS IT $0.38 AN HOUR, SOMETHING EQUATES SOMETHING SMALL LIKE THAT.

THEN, AS FAR AS A GRADE ALL OPERATOR, WE ONLY HAVE ONE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OPERATOR POSITION.

THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO'S ACTUALLY GETTING PROPERLY COMPENSATED TO OPERATE THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

>> WE HAVE TWO GRADE ALLS AND ONE OPERATOR.

>> WE'RE THE SECOND ONE LOADING RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE IN TRAINING RIGHT NOW, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET IT.

IT WAS ACTUALLY QUITE HARD TO GET SOME OF OUR STAFF TO EVEN WANT TO TRY IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH OF A CARROT TO DANGLE IN FRONT OF THEM.

>> WELL, WHY DON'T WE GET A CARROT TO DANGLE?

>> I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.

>> IT'S A NEED. IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO HAVE IN THE CITY. I MEAN.

>> YEP.

>> PROBLEMS FINDING QUALIFIED PERSONNEL.

WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT OUR PERSONNEL IN THAT FASHION.

>> IT'S THE ALLOCATION OF MONEY.

>> YEAH. CORRECT.

>> THE WORST THING IS HAVING TWO GRADE ALLS, AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON, AND WE SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR IT.

>> YES.

>> THAT'S ON US. WE GOT.

>> YEAH.

>> WE'VE GOT TO CZ. JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE PD.

CHIEF, YOU'RE PRETTY VOCAL ON THE PD.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING VOCAL ON THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERSONNEL AND TRAINED UP.

>> ABSOLUTELY. [INAUDIBLE] VOCAL TO.

>> HERE'S WHAT? [OVERLAPPING] VAL.

>> WELL, I EXPECT THAT.

>> I THINK I THINK OUR POSITION ON THIS, AND I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND NOT EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY CAN NOD OR SHAKE THEIR HEAD.

BUT I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE IS TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE GRADE ALLS AND BOTH OF

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THOSE DUMP TRUCKS RUNNING AND CLEANING OUT DITCHES DAILY?

>> CORRECT. I WILL SAY THAT.

>> YOU NEED TO PROVIDE US WITH A DIRECTION FROM YOU ON WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, AND WE'LL GO ABOUT GETTING YOU THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED.

THIS IS $750,000 WORTH OF COMMITMENT TO THAT GOAL RIGHT HERE.

>> BUT I CAN DO THAT AND GET YOU THE COST OF WHATEVER THE INCREASE WOULD BE TO THOSE POSITIONS.

ALSO PROPOSE NEW POSITIONS, JUST TO EXPLAIN, AS I'VE DONE BEFORE, WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE IN THAT ENTIRE STREET AND DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT.

IT TAKES THREE FOR A DITCH-CUTTING CREW.

THERE YOU GO, THOSE SIX ARE ALREADY GONE.

YOU GOT ONE LEFT. HE'S HAVING TO DO THE REST OF THE WORK.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STREET SIGNS, TREE TRIMMING, ANY TYPE OF RIGHT-OF-WAY MAINTENANCE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

TO SAY, WE CAN HAVE TWO CREWS RUNNING DAILY.

WE CAN'T POSSIBLY SAY THAT WITH THE CURRENT NUMBERS WE HAVE TODAY.

NOW, WHAT I CAN GIVE YOU IS 2-3 DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK, GUARANTEED THAT WE HAVE TWO CREWS RUNNING OUT?

>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I CAN GIVE JUST BASED ON, BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO DAYS OUT OF THAT WEEK, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME CREWS RUNNING AROUND AND TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WE'VE GOT, POTTLE, PATCH, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> YEAH. YOU COULD GET A SCHEDULE TO US ON HOW WE COULD RUN BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

>> YEAH.

>> ONCE WE CAN GROW INTO THIS.

SORRY FOR STOPPING YOUR COMMENT, BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS HERE WITH THE QUESTION, I HATE TO DO THAT, BUT HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE US, EVEN WORKING 30 DAYS, 2 OR 3 DAYS A WEEK, TO CATCH UP ON OUR DITCHES?

>> BEFORE, WHEN WE HAD A LARGER PRESENTATION ON DRAINAGE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S BEEN GOOD NINE MONTHS AGO. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH, WE WERE AT AROUND 1,400 DAYS, AND SHE WAS JUST THEORETICALLY TAKEN OFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE, APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THAT AT TIMES, I WOULD SAY.

YOU HALF OF A HALF, I GUESS, I SHOULD SAY.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 1000 DAYS, 900 DAYS, POSSIBLY, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA, WHERE WE COULD TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE TOWN.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK I THINK WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHO WITHIN OUR GROUP IS INTERESTED IN TAKING ON THAT TASK AND BEING PROMOTED INTO THOSE POSITIONS TO DO THAT, OR DO WE NEED TO GO OUT AND DO IT AND THEN WE CAN BACK FILL THOSE OTHER POSITIONS?

>> YES.

>> Y'ALL? I'M SURE IT'LL BE A LOT EASIER IF WE HAVE ART TO DANGLE.

I'M SURE I WILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE STEP UP AND REALLY WANT TO LEARN THE PROCESS OF OPERATING THE GRADE.

>> I AM CONCERNED THAT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND THAT THE MACHINE IS NOT CHEAP.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHOEVER'S OPERATING THOSE GRADES.

THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

>> YES. ALSO, [OVERLAPPING] TRAINED ON IT.

>> YEAH, OUR SAFETY COORDINATOR HAS EVEN FOUND AN ONLINE PROGRAM, AND IT'S ONLINE AND MORE LIKE A REALLY HANDS-ON ON FULL TRAINING GRADE ALL CURRICULUM THAT WE'VE FOUND, AND SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PURCHASE THAT AS WELL FOR THEM TO USE.

EVEN OUR EXISTING. I FEEL LIKE EVEN OUR CURRENT EXISTING OPERATOR WILL LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT, JUST BASED ON THE WAY HE EXPLAINED TO ME HOW EXTENSIVE IT IS.

>> FORMER COUNCILMAN, MAYOR, MARY SAID, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ONE PERSON AND THAT'S ALL THEY NEED, THAT'S THEIR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. LET THEM OWN IT.

>> CORRECT. THAT'S HOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT.

>> THEN A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, OF COURSE.

>> YES.

>> [INAUDIBLE] POSITION YOU HAVE ON.

>> YES.

>> AGAIN, THE MAINTENANCE IS A BIG FUNDING PIECE AS WELL BECAUSE IN THIS PREVIOUS BUDGET AND THE CURRENT BUDGET, I'VE REQUESTED MORE MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE GONE BY HOURS ON THIS EQUIPMENT.

WHAT DOES GRADE ALL OR ANY OTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WE HAVE? WHAT IS THEIR SERVICE RECOMMENDATION PER SERVICE HOURS? WE'VE CALCULATED HOW MANY HOURS WE'RE GOING TO RUN IT IN A YEAR, AND THAT'S THE COST WE'VE COME UP WITH FOR SERVICE, BUT I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO ALL THOSE MAINTENANCE ITEMS.

>> WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR, VICTOR TO US ON THE WHAT MAINTENANCE YOU WANT TO DO, DO YOU WANT TO USE A THIRD-PARTY COMPANY THAT WOULD BE 100% COME IN THE DOOR, CHECK IT OFF EVERY ONCE A MONTH, OR ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS SOMEWHERE OR HAVE SOMEBODY COME TO IT AND SERVICE IT.

JUST BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.

BUT IF YOU JUST SAY I WANT MONEY FOR SERVICE OR MAINTENANCE? WELL, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SAY NO, WE DIDN'T OUTLINE EXACTLY WHAT YOU.

BUT IF YOU'RE VERY CLEAR AND SPECIFIC ON WHAT YOU NEED, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COVER, I THINK THIS WILL BE VERY SPECIFIC.

>> WELL, I THINK IT WOULD, THIS IS JUST ME LOOKING AT THIS.

I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY BETTER OFF IF YOU HAVE

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SOMEBODY MOBILE THAT'S COMING OUT AND DOING THE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE, WHERE IT'S AT, RATHER THAN SENDING IT SOMEWHERE.

CAUSE THEN IT'S GONE.

IT SITS THERE. THEY GET SOME HOT WORK IN.

IT'S SITTING FOR 2 DAYS INSTEAD OF A DAY OR A WEEK THEN.

I THINK I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF HAVING SOMEBODY WHO CAN BRING A SERVICE TRUCK OUT AND PERFORM THAT WORK.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

IS THIS REASONABLE?

>> WHICH PART? [LAUGHTER] BUT THEN THERE ARE THE REST OF THE REASONABLE HIGHER SALARIES, MOBILE MAINTENANCE, ALL OF THAT.

>> ALONG WITH THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT CAME THE EXPENDITURES.

WE KNEW THAT EVEN GETTING THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE MORE GASOLINE, MORE MAN-HOURS TO PUT OUT.

THAT WOULD BE ONE PERSON ON THE MACHINE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ON THE GROUND DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

WE KNEW THAT WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IF IT'S WATER DEPARTMENT, IF IT'S GENERAL FUND.

THE WATER DEPARTMENT DIDN'T THE EXTRA $2 BASE RATE INCREASES, BUT THAT WAS STRICTLY FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.

DO WE CONSIDER THIS MAINTENANCE? NO. WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK.

WE HAVE TO ANALYZE TO SEE HOW MUCH IS GOING TO COST.

>> NO.

>> BUT IT IS A GOOD PURCHASE.

WE DO NEED THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

>> I KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM.

>> SUGGESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. COMES FROM THE STREET FUND.

MAINTAINING THE SIDE OF THE STREETS.

>> THE MONEY FROM THE STREET FUND IS DEDICATED FOR THE STREETS? FOR THE STREET PROJECT.

THE MONEY DEDICATED FROM THE STREET PROJECT YOU HAVE JUST SAID TO EXTEND THE LINE, WHICH YOU HAD SAVINGS OF $200,000?

>>I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT'S LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE MORE.

BECAUSE THAT GRADE, MOST LIKELY, ANYTIME WE DO ANY TYPE OF ROADWORK OR SOMETHING, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE USING THAT GRADE TO.

>> CORRECT.

>> TO FIX THINGS AROUND THAT STREET, AND SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF THE STREET DEPARTMENT.

>> WHICH HAS A GENERAL FUND COMPONENT TO IT MOST LIKELY.

>> WE WERE BUILDING THE STREET FUND WITH THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE'RE DOING FROM THE SALES TAX.

THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE HAD STARTED TO DO THAT.

>> WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COST YET.

>> CORRECT.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GROW INTO THIS OVER THIS FISCAL BUDGET, AND THEN WE CAN REALLY SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE NEED, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE CAN REALLY HAVE ESTABLISHED AS A PLAN TO IMPLEMENTION.

>> YOU NEED TO ADD IT AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.

>> FOR 27, IF WE CAN BUMP SOMEBODY UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, MAYBE BRING SOMEONE ELSE ON IF WE NEED TO.

MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT DOING MIDSTREAM, BUT JOHN I CHRISSY BIN, BARBARA.

>> IT'S A GOOD PLAN. WE CAN LOOK AT IT, AND WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AT MIDO.

>> [INAUDIBLE] MAKE THE MAKE THE MOTION.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THE PURCHASE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DUMP TRUCK AND THE GRADE ALL DUMP TRUCK AT 100 JUST SOUTH OF 16014356072 FOR GRADE A.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARK.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH.

FOR APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> CALL FOR VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

>> SUSIE, THANK YOU, HECTOR. APPRECIATE IT.

>> SUSIE, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THIS.

>> THAT EQUIPMENT'S IN GOOD HANDS.

>> ITEM NUMBER 12,

[12. Discussion and possible action to cast a majority vote of the governing body for a candidate on the Texas Municipal League Region 14 Board of Director election ballot. ]

DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ACTION TO CAST A MAJORITY VOTE FOR THE GOVERNING BODY FOR A CANDIDATE ON THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE REGION 14 ORDER DIRECTOR ELECTION BALLOT.

I SAW THIS AND I SAID, I DON'T KNOW

[02:35:05]

SALLY BRANSON'S OUR CLOSEST PERSON.

>> IS SHE THE INCUMBENT?

>> SHE IS THE INCOMBENT.

>> I SAY THE INCUMBENT IF WE DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE.

>> YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE CITIES?

>> YOU ASKING ME? I DON'T.

>> YOU DON'T REPRESENT IIT?

>> DON'T REPRESENT ANY OF THESE CITIES.

>> JUST ASKING I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE IT, I PRESENTED AN ISSUE THAT WE WERE LOOKING INTO THE LAST ROUND, SO I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE THAT.