>> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.
[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER ]
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THE TIME IS 6:00.WE DO HAVE A FULL QUORUM PRESENT.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE LISTENING, AND THOSE ONLINE AS WELL.
HOPE YOU GET SOMETHING OUT OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
IF YOU PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVICATION BE LED BY PASTOR MICHAEL GABLE, ANGLETON FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH.
>> "DEAR LORD, THANK YOU FOR THOSE THAT HAVE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT, GIVING OF THEIR TIME, AND GIVING OF THEIR EXPERIENCE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH WE ALL LIVE IN.
GOD, PLEASE LET CONVERSATIONS BE ROBUST AND EARNEST, AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE WELL BEING OF ALL THOSE WHO WILL WE AFFECTED BY THE DECISIONS HERE TONIGHT.
GOD, ALLOW YOUR WISDOM TO FLOW ON ALL OF US, AS WELL AS YOUR GRACE AND MERCY.
IN CHRIST'S NAME, WE PRAY". AMEN.
>> THANK YOU. HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL?
>> WE WILL GO TO CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS.
[1. Presentation of the Professional Municipal Court Week proclamation. ]
ITEM NUMBER ONE, PRESENTATION OF THE PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL COURT WEEK PROCLAMATION.COUNCIL, CAN YOU COME TO THE FRONT AND CAN OUR MUNICIPAL COURT PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT. [BACKGROUND]
>> I'M GOING TO LET THEM GET THE ATTENTION. [BACKGROUND].
>> OFFICE OF THE MAYOR, CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS MUNICIPAL COURTS PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN PRESERVING PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROMOTING QUALITY OF LIFE IN TEXAS.
WHEREAS MORE PEOPLE COME IN CONTACT WITH MUNICIPAL COURTS THAN ALL OTHER TEXAS COURTS COMBINED.
PUBLIC IMPRESSION OF THE TEXAS JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS LARGELY DEPENDENT UPON THE PUBLIC'S EXPERIENCE IN MUNICIPAL COURT.
WHEREAS THE CITY OF ANGLETON IS COMMITTED TO THE NOTION THAT OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS BASED ON THE PRINCIPLE THAT AN INDEPENDENT FAIR, AND COMPETENT JUDICIARY WILL INTERPRET AND APPLY THE LAWS THAT GOVERN US.
WHEREAS ANGLETON MUNICIPAL JUDGES ARE NOT POLICYMAKERS FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON, ARE BOUND BY THE LAWS AND CANONS OF JUDICIAL CONDUCT, AND ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE DECISIONS DEPENDENT OF THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY OFFICIALS, AND EMPLOYEES.
WHEREAS, THE CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THAT THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS CONTAINED PROCEDURAL SAFEGUARDS IN CRIMINAL CASES FOR ALL DEFENDANTS, INCLUDING INDIGENT DEFENDANTS AND SUPPORT THE ANGLETON MUNICIPAL COURT IN COMPLYING WITH SUCH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN WRIGHT, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS, ALONG WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THAT THE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 3TH-7TH, 2025 IS RECOGNIZED AS MUNICIPAL COURT PROCLAIMS 28TH DAY OF OCTOBER 2025.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE AGREEMENT. [APPLAUSE] [BACKGROUND]
>> MAYOR, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REGARDING MUNICIPAL COURT? THESE LADIES ARE AMAZING.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DO. THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT. THEY DO IT WELL.
WE'VE BEEN SHORT STAFF IN COURT, AND THEY HAVE NOT MISSED A STEP.
SO VERY PROUD OF THEM YOU GUYS SHOULD BE TOO. [APPLAUSE]
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING, BUT ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS I GET THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COMMENTS ABOUT IS MUNICIPAL COURT.
[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
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BUT WE DO HAVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST BEFORE WE GO INTO OTHER ITEMS. THE COUNCIL WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 6:05 TO DELIBERATE NUMBER TWO, DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, AND DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.074 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT PROSECUTOR CONTRACT, AND PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD YOUTH MEMBER APPOINTMENT.THEN ITEM NUMBER 3, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20251014-003, APPOINTING JEFFREY R GILBERT TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.074 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION 65. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
COUNCIL HAS COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 6:28 P.M. ON ITEM NUMBER 2.
COUNCIL, DO I HAVE AN ACTION ON THE FIRST PART FROM THE MUNICIPAL COURT?
>> MAKE A MOTION TO INCREASE THE PAY FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT PROSECUTOR BY 3% AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS OF THE CONTRACT.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, PERRY, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING.
VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.
>> CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN.
MOTION CARRIES. ON THE SECOND PART OF ITEM NUMBER 2
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ADDISON SCHWARTZ AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD YOUTH MEMBER APPOINTMENT.
>> I HAVE A MOTION FROM MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE THE YOUTH THEY ARE GETTING INVOLVED, AND WE'VE FOUND THIS ONE SPOT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GIVE A VOICE TO OUR PARK SYSTEMS, AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY VALUABLE.
CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 3.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20252814-00 APPOINTING JEFFREY R GILBERT, THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT OF RECORD OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, AND TO AUTHORIZE A 3% RAISE.
>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? JUDGE GILBERT, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE YEARS WITH US AND HOPEFULLY MANY MORE TO COME.
IT AN HONOR TO SIT THERE WHERE YOU'RE SITTING.
AS A JUDGE IN THE COUNTER GREW UP.
I REALLY APPRECIATE UNIT TO SERVE ALL OF YOU.
>> THANK YOU. CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU ALL. NOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO OPEN SESSION.
[OPEN SESSION]
>> WE WERE JUST A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
>> I'M GOING INTO CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 4, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON 2026 CITY HOLIDAYS, ITEM NUMBER 5,
[CONSENT AGENDA]
DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN ENGAGEMENT LETTER WITH CROW TO PROVIDE A FINANCIAL AUDIT AND REPORT ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025.ITEM NUMBER 6, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION, TO APPROVE THE QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORTS FOR SEPTEMBER 2025.
ITEM NUMBER 7, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20251028-007, DESIGNATING AUTHORIZED SIGNATORIES FOR CONTRACTUAL DOCUMENTS AND DOCUMENTS FOR REQUESTING FUNDS PERTAINING TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, MITIGATION SUPPLEMENTAL PROGRAM, AND PROVIDING THAT THIS RESOLUTION SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE FROM AND AFTER ITS PASSAGE.
ITEM NUMBER 8, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION, TO APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH TETRA TECH FOR DEBRIS MONITORING SERVICES. COUNCIL.
>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND.
HE WAS RIGHT HERE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN.
THAT MOTION CARRIES. REGULAR AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 9, DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ACTION ON STREET OVERLAYS FOR
[9. Discussion and possible action on street overlays for the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 projects.]
THE FISCAL YEAR 2025-2026 PROJECTS AND 2024.>> HECTOR ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET.
>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL.
>> SO HERE WE ARE AGAIN, ANOTHER YEAR OF OVERLAY SELECTIONS
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THROUGH ARE INTERLOCAL WITH THE COUNTY THAT WAS APPROVED AT A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING.THIS YEAR, WITH THE SELECTIONS, I WAS PRETTY MINDFUL OF SOME AREAS THAT ARE NOT ONLY IN NEED, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DESIRE FOR IT FROM PUBLIC BUT WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF WORK ORDERS FOR THESE AREAS.
BUT ALSO JUST IN GENERAL, I WANTED TO STICK TO A REBUILD OF THESE ROADS.
THAT'S WHY HENCE EVERYTHING IS A MILE OR LESS. WE WANT TO DO REBUILDS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, AS I LISTED OUT EACH ONE.
IT'S A FEW STATS OF THE RATING THAT WAS IN THE STREET ASSESSMENT, WE DID IN 2023.
ALSO, THE SEVERITY OF IT TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS LISTED IN THAT ASSESSMENT AS WELL.
BASED ON THAT, I'D SAY EXAMPLE D, WHICH IS HENDERSON ROAD, BARRING THAT, I GET EXPECTED FUNDING ANYTIME IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IS THE TOP NUMBER 2, WOULD BE THE WESTERN AVENUE, WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
OPEN TO ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS OR ANY SUGGESTIONS.
>> YOU DON'T RECOMMEND GIFFORD LANE?
NOT BASED ON THE RATING IT GETS AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
ACCORDING TO THE RATINGS, HENDERSON ROAD IS IN WORSE SHAPE AND ALSO HAS MORE TRAFFIC ON IT.
I'M JUST GOING OFF FACTS, THAT'S ALL.
>> I JUST KNOW HOW LONG GIFFORD LANE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING.
>> CORRECT. WHICH WE COULD DO ALL OF THEM.
I MEAN, ALL THREE OF THEM NEED TO BE DONE.
ALL THREE OF THOSE MAJOR ONES NEED TO BE DONE.
>> WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU.
WE HAVE A BUDGETED AMOUNT OF 300,000.
DID THE PRICE GO UP? WE USED TO BUDGET 202-250. NOW WE'RE AT 300.
>> I KNOW WHEN WE DID SOUTH WALKER, BRIAN STREET GOING OUT IN THE CITY LIMITS.
THAT WAS A COMPLETE REBUILD THERE.
I THINK THAT SECTION ALONE ENDED UP COSTING US $129,000-149,000.
IT'D BE SIMILAR TO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I WOULD ESTIMATE THIS IN BETWEEN THAT 150 MAYBE TO 200,000 RANGE FOR A MILE OF REBUILD.
>> WE'RE PUTTING THIS ASIDE FOR JUST ONE ROAD.
>> COULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? YOU CAME ALL THIS WAY.
>> YOU GOT TO KEEP DRY, SO THAT'S FINE.
>> I KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OVERLAYS AROUND THE COURTHOUSE RIGHT NOW.
>> A LITTLE BIT OF BASE REPAIR AND OVERLAYS.
>> WHAT WHAT STREETS ARE YOU REPAIRING OVER THERE AROUND THE COURTHOUSE?
>> RIGHT NOW, WE FINISHED THE MILLING TODAY.
WE'RE WE'VE MILLED LOCUS, ARCOLA, LIVE OAK AND SHENANGO.
TO BE EXACT ON LOCUS BASICALLY FROM THE LOOP, ALL THE WAY TO ARCOLA, ARCOLA BETWEEN LOCUS AND LIVE OAK, AND THEN LIVE OAK, BASICALLY FROM ARCOLA TO SHENANGO AND THEN SHENANGO FROM THE COURTHOUSE GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO [INAUDIBLE] WHAT DOES THAT C HERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ROAD IT IS.
BUT YOU ALL KNOW THE REST OF THE ROADS.
>> IS THE CEDAR? GOING TO CEDAR.
AS I GET OLDER I HAVE THOSE [INAUDIBLE].
BUT SO THAT'S WE MILLED THOSE UP.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PLACES THAT HAVE SOME AREAS THAT WE NEED TO FIX THE BASE ON OR IT'S JUST GOING TO FALL APART AGAIN.
A LOT OF IT ACTUALLY HAD A VERY SOLID BASE.
A LOT OF THE DISTRESS THAT YOU SAW IN THE ASPHALT IS FROM TRUCKS TURNING AND TEARING UP THE ACTUAL SURFACE.
MILLING THAT SURFACE OFF, WE'RE GOING TO RE GOING TO HAVE WE'RE GOING TO WE STARTED PAVING TODAY IF YOU NOTICE ON ON LOCUS FROM LOOP TO LOCUS, WE ACTUALLY GOT THAT PAVED TODAY.
WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE DOWN LOCUS TOMORROW, DEPENDING ON WHAT THIS IS DOING RIGHT.
BUT THEN WE'RE HOPING TO MAYBE COMPLETE THE PAVING SOMETIME NEXT WEEK BY THE END OF THE WEEK, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE STRIKING SET UP TO COME IN THE WEEK AFTER THAT AND RESTRIKE THE PAYROLL.
>> THEN THAT'S ALL THAT YOU PLAN TO DO AROUND THE COURTHOUSE?
>> BUT WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S TOUCHED EVERYTHING THAT WE TORE UP, AND THAT WAS OUR BIG GOAL AS WE.
WE MAKE DEVELOPERS REPAIR WHAT THEY PAIR UP TO THEIR P IN THAT AREA, SO I WANT TO THAT AWAY ABOUT THIS.
I THINK WE'RE ADDRESSING EVERYTHING THAT WE FEEL IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY BUT SOME THINGS WOULD BEST ON LUNCH.
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SHOULD LISTEN TO PINNERS SORRY. [LAUGHTER].>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU LET CITIZENS KNOW THAT THIS IS A COUNTY PROJECT.
IT'S NOT THE STREETS THAT YOU AS COUNCIL AND THE CITY ARE DOING, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> IT'D BE BETTER IF YOU WERE SITTING RIGHT THERE TO SAY IT, BUT WE'LL GO. I GOT A MICROPHONE.
YES. THIS IS A COUNTY PROJECT AROUND THE COURTHOUSE.
THIS IS NOT OUR OVERLAYS, WHICH IS GOING TO LEAD ME TO MY QUESTION.
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET OUR OVERLAYS FOR LAST YEAR DONE?
>> HECTOR HERE INFORMED ME THAT END OF SEPTEMBER THAT YOU ALL ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, I THINK IT WAS SOME TIME OCTOBER, THAT YOU ALL ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON YOUR OVERLAYS FOR 2025.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAD AHEAD OF THAT WHEN WE WHEN HE BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION.
WE'RE ASSUMING IF WE DON'T GET IT TO IT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL GET IT AS SOON AS THE NEW YEAR IT CASE IN.
>> DOES THAT MEAN WE'LL GET THE ONES FROM THE LAST AND THEN THIS YEAR'S AS WELL IN THIS?
>> WELL, WE HADN'T NOBODY SUBMITTED ANYTHING.
>> WELL, WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT.
>> I GET THAT. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT EITHER.
AS FAR AS THE ESTIMATE, WE CAN GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT TIMELINE, BUT THAT'S ROUGHLY THAT A SUPERINTENDENT AND I'VE DISCUSSED AT ANGLETON.
THE ROADS THAT WE'VE HAD SUBMITTED TO GREGG.
>> BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BASED ON AN ESTIMATE, EVEN IF THERE IS THE BUDGET TO EXPAND IT, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GET 1 MILE FROM THE ACCOUNT. IT'S REBUILDING.
>> BUT IT'S COMPLETE REBUILD OR 2 MILES JUST OVER THE PLACE.
>> HECTOR, ARE YOU YOU REQUESTING TO REBUILD HENDERSON?
>> LAST TIME WE WERE IN HERE, APPARENTLY, I GOT IN A LOT OF HOT WATER WITH PRECINCT 2 RODEN BRIDGE.
APPARENTLY, THEY DIDN'T LIKE MY COMMENT.
I WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
THEY'RE HARD WORKERS, AND THEY DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.
MY COMPLAINT IS NOT WITH THEIR WORK, BUT JUST THE SHEER VOLUME THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WANT TO GET RID OF PRECINCT 2 AND GO TO PRECINCT 4.
I'M JUST SAYING, IT'S SLOW TO GET ON THE SCHEDULE IN SOME CASES.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO EXPEDITE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IF WE'VE GOT 300,000 IN THERE FOR MILL AND OVERLAY, AND FOR ONE MILE A ROAD, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?
>> HANG ON, WHAT HE STOPPED SAYING IS MILL AND OVERLAY.
HE'S BASICALLY SAYING A REBUILD.
>> THAT'S GETTING INTO THAT BASE.
IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MATERIAL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT JUST BUYING THE ASPHALT.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY STABILIZING THAT BASE, PROBABLY PROVIDING A LITTLE ADDITIONAL BASE MATERIAL.
USUALLY, WHEN WE GET INTO REBUILD, WE TAKE OUT SOME OF THE BASE THAT ISN'T IN GOOD SHAPE AND SUPPLEMENT THAT.
AS FAR AS THE COST TO DO THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT THIS YEAR.
WE WERE JUST NOW ASKING SIDIS TO TURN IN THEIR COSTS FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
I WOULD ASSUME HECTOR'S BEING A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE WITH THAT NUMBER?
>> BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S LIKE DOUBLE.
I THINK HE'S A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE WITH THAT NUMBER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SO FAR OFF.
>> BECAUSE THIS IS 0.79 MILES IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE FOR HENDERSON.
>> IF YOU DO THAT 0.79 COMPLETE REBUILD, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM FOR ANOTHER ROAD.
>> OUR STANDARD HAS BEEN TWO MILES OF OVERLAY, A MILE OF REBUILD.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S GETS SUBMITTED.
I'M SORRY, MAYOR. I DIDN'T REALLY EXPECT THAT QUESTION.
>> WE HAVE 0.2 LEFT OVER [LAUGHTER].
I HATE TO BE THAT PERSON, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO GET THESE ROADS DONE A LOT FASTER.
>> I DID SEARCH FOR 0.2 MILES IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY OF AN ASPHALT ROAD THAT NEEDED SOME WORK, AND I REALLY COULDN'T FIND.
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>> I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT AREA.
EAST MYRTLE, IT'D BE PRETTY CLOSE.
>> ON THE HENDERSON ROAD PROJECT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
TRYING TO LOOK AT THE MAP HERE.
>> OF COURSE, I SCROLLED AWAY FROM IT. LET'S SEE WHAT PAGE THAT IS, 75.
IS IT POSSIBLE, AND IT MAY NOT ADD ENOUGH TO GIVE JOE WAYS OF LOOKING FOR, BUT LOOK AT THE STREET NAME. HOLD ON REAL QUICK.
>> EAST MYRTLE IS 905.29 FEET, WHICH IS ABOUT 0.17 MILES. JUST NEEDS UNDER.
>> IS THERE ANY WAY POSSIBLE THAT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE HENDERSON PROJECT, YOU COULD JUST MOVE IT OR END IT AT BUTA AND JUST MOVE TO THE EAST? THAT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE AWAY FROM THAT PROJECT.
THAT WOULD MAYBE GIVE YOU CLOSE TO MORE LIKE 6/10 OF A MILE, AND THEN HE'S ABOUT 4/10 OF A MILE FOR ANOTHER AREA. I DON'T KNOW.
JUST TRYING TO CAUSE THAT AREA EAST OF BUTA, WHERE IT RUNS INTO HENDERSON ROAD, TO ME, SEEMS TO BE THE WORST OF THE AREAS. BUT THAT'S JUST AN IDEA.
>> IT'S JUST AN IDEA. LOOK, I'M TRYING TO SPREAD IT OUT, I THINK.
>> THIS IS A SECTION OF MYRTLE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS HIGHWAY 35 RIGHT HERE, AND THIS IS MYRTLE.
THAT'S THE SECTION THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M GOING FROM HERE TO HERE AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE FAR AWAY FROM EACH OTHER, A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE TO MOBILIZE AND REMOBILIZE.
>> WHAT TIME WILL THAT DECISION BE MADE THAT YOU CAN COME ACROSS THE CITY?
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HENDERSON ROAD?
THAT'S THEIR REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE IN THE SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
>> WE DIDN'T SAY THEY HAD TO BE IN THE SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
WHAT WE HAD A IS A NUMBER OF CITIES TURN IN WELL, WE HAD ONE TURNED IN AS MANY AS 16 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR TWO MILES.
WE SPENT MORE TIME MOBILIZING THE EQUIPMENT THAN WE DID.
PAVING. WE TRIED TO SAY, LOOK, LET'S COME UP WITH TWO MILES IN GENERAL, FOUR LOCATIONS.
WE WEREN'T GETTING BOGGED DOWN, DO A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE CAME UP WITH THAT.
WE WOULD SHIFT, WE WOULD AT THAT FROM THAT.
>> ACTUALLY, I MISSPOKE WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT EAST MYRTLE.
>> YOU CAN'T GO SWITCHING NOW, JOHN.
>> IT'S 0.21. ARCOLA IS PROBABLY IN THE WORST CONDITION.
>> THAT WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
>> THOSE ARE THE TWO WE CAN SUBMIT.
>> BUT Y'ALL ARE ALREADY IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW.
>> GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
>> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW SINCE YOU HAD THE EQUIPMENT.
IF WE TAKE IT FROM OUR MILEAGE.
>>> [OVERLAPPING] TYPICAL PROCESS WE SUBMIT THESE TO THE COUNTY AND THEY GET IT ON THEIR COMMISSIONERS BOARD GETS APPROVED, AND THEN FROM THERE WE GO.
WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT TOMORROW.
>> WHAT IS THE CENTRAL SERVICE DISTRICT?
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JUST PRECINCT 2 OR THEY ALL PRECINCTS?>> THEY ACTUALLY SERVICE THREE DIFFERENT PRECINCTS.
WHEN THE COUNTY WENT TO THE UNIT ROAD SYSTEM, WELL, BACK IN THE '90S, WENT AWAY FROM THE PRECINCT SYSTEM THAT THE COMMISSIONERS PRECINCT AND THE SERVICE CENTER GOT MIXED UP AT.
THEY MIXED IT UP BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, IF THE VOTERS WANTED TO NOT BE UNDER THE PRECINCT SYSTEM OR THE COMMISSION SYSTEM.
THEY COULDN'T HAVE THE EXACT SAME NUMBER, SO THEY SHIFT THEM UP.
THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER DOESN'T NECESSARILY.
WELL, ABOUT 60% OF THE ROADS IN THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER ARE PRECINCT 2 ROADS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE ABOUT 40% AND A PRECINCT 4 AND ABOUT I THINK THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE A LITTLE BIT OFF ROUNDING, AND THERE'S PERCENTAGE IN PRECINCTS.
>> THEY'RE UTILIZED YEAR ROUND.
>> YES. A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU TAKE A LOT OF OUR SERVICE CENTERS WHERE YOU'RE ASKING, CAN WE COMBINE TWO DIFFERENT YEARS IN OUR LOCALS? WE USUALLY AREN'T FACED WITH THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THIS SITUATION WITH ANGLETON IS UNIQUE THAT Y'ALL ASKED US TO HOLD UP THE PREVIOUS YEARS AND WAS FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M GOING TO FLAT OUT PHRASE IT.
I WAS WORKING OFF THE ASSUMPTION UNTIL TONIGHT THAT THAT MEANT THAT THE ROADS THAT WERE ALREADY SUBMITTED ARE NOW 2026 IS ROADS AND PLANNING ON SUBMITTING 26 ROADS.
MY HEAD'S SPENDING A LITTLE BIT ON THAT AND WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT TIMING ON THAT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, USUALLY WE GET THIS SUBMITTED.
WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON OUR ROAD PLANS.
MOST OF OUR SERVICE CENTERS FOR THIS YEAR, HAD ONE SERVICE CENTER THAT HADN'T FINISHED THE ROAD PLAN FROM LAST YEAR FOR THE COUNTY, SO THEY'RE WORKING STILL ON LAST YEAR'S ROAD PLAN AND THEN THEY'LL START ON THIS YEAR'S.
THEN WE DO ENTER LOCAL WORK AFTER WE DO OUR ROAD PLAN.
IN GENERAL, THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TO BE THE CASE, BUT THAT'S THE GENERAL RULE.
A LOT OF TIMES WITH HERE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STILL NEED TO DO 2025 ROADS.
WE SET BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, MAYBE [NOISE] IN ANGLETON 2025 ROADS.
WE WOULD THEN SWITCH TO ROAD PLAN AND TRY TO KNOCK OUT AS MUCH OF THE COUNTY ROAD PLAN AND THEN COME BACK.
[NOISE] GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER THIS YEAR, THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER GOT DONE WITH ALL THE OTHER LOCAL WORK ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
WE ACTUALLY DID. THAT'S WHY THIS COURTHOUSE WORK GOT SHOVED WHERE IT IS, WE WERE AT A STANDSTILL WAITING ON OUR ROAD PLAN DOLLARS TO GET APPROVED IN THE NEW BUDGET, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COURTHOUSE ROADS NOW BECAUSE THEY HAD A GAP IN TIMING, AND THAT'S WHY HECTOR WAS GETTING FRANTIC EMAILS FROM ME GOING, HEY, MAN, IS IT OKAY, IF I START MONDAY, INSTEAD OF GIVING Y'ALL MORE HEADWAY, GIVE ME A MORE WARNING THAT WE WERE STARTING.
WE SHOVE THOSE IN, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT OUR LEDGER OF ROAD PLAN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE GUYS GOING ON AT LEAST SET OF THE ROADS AND THE ROAD PLAN, THEY ARE HIGH PRIORITY.
>> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ROADS THAT WERE MESSED UP DURING CONSTRUCTION.
ANCHOR ROAD IS AN ISSUE BETWEEN KELLER AND LOOP 274, THAT IS REALLY IN BAD SHAPE.
>> I THINK MAYBE THE COUNTY AND THE CITY NEEDS TO VISIT OUT ANCHOR ROAD LONG TERM.
>> I THINK YOU AND I MAYOR HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST.
I THINK ANCHOR ROAD WITH THAT SUBDIVISION COMING IN, ASHLAND COMING IN OVER THERE.
THEIR WAY IN AND OUT OF TOWN IS GOING TO EITHER BE
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523 TO THE NORTH END OR ANCHOR ROAD TO THE SOUTH.>> THAT ROAD AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IS GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.
I THINK WE NEED TO DEVELOP A SHORT TERM PLAN FOR THAT ROAD, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS JUST GETTING THAT ROAD IN DECENT SHAPE, AND THEN COMING UP WITH A LONG TERM PLAN.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS ROAD LONG TERM? I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOR A WHILE.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK IT'S THE TIGER TRACT RIGHT THERE ON ANCHOR ROAD, BUT BEFORE YOU GET TO 288 THAT'S GOING TO DEVELOP EVENTUALLY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT TIMING IS, BUT MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC'S GOING TO HIT ANCHOR ROAD AND THAT ROADS NOT MEANT FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE ON LONG TERM.
I THINK WE NEED A SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM PLAN.
I DON'T MIND IF HECTOR AND I SIT DOWN AND MAYBE COME UP WITH OPTIONS FOR YOU GUYS ON THAT.
>> I'M SORRY. I KNOW YOU WERE ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
I KNOW ON THE LONG TERM PLAN, WE'VE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED ANCHOR ROAD AND FOR FEDERAL FUNDING THE LAST COUPLE OF TIP CYCLES.
BUT BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC ISN'T THERE, AND IT RELIES ON PROJECTED TRAFFIC.
HCACS MODEL FOR PROJECTED TRAFFIC ALWAYS UNDER PROJECTS THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING DOWN HERE OR WE'RE GOING TO SEE DOWN HERE.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PROBLEM BEFORE WE CAN GET THAT COMMITTED, AND THAT'S WHY I CALL IT A LONG TERM.
IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET FUNDS COMMITTED TO DO A LONG TERM PLAN.
THEN ONCE WE GET THE FUNDS COMMITTED TO A LONG TERM PLAN, THEN YOU'RE TALKING 5-10 YEARS.
>> JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE QUESTIONED TEXTDOT.
>> ABOUT THE OVERPASS THERE TO EXPAND IT TO A FOUR LANE.
IF YOU WORK YOUR WAY NORTH, TOWARDS AISLE COLONY, THEY ALREADY HAVE FOUR LANE OVERPASSES, SOMEHOW IN THE CITY OF ANGLETON JUST HAS TO DO WITH TWO LANE OVERPASS.
WHENEVER Y'ALL START FACTORING THAT IN, FACTOR IN HOPEFULLY AN ADDITIONAL TWO LANES GOING WHATEVER WHICH SIDE THEY PUT IT ON.
>> I ACTUALLY MET WITH TEXTDOT TODAY.
THEY HAVE SOME PLANS FOR THE INTERSECTION, NOW I'M JUMPING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, BUT SOME PLANS FOR THE INTERSECTION OF 44 AND ANCHOR ROAD AT 523 AND 44 AND 521.
>> IT'D BE NICE. THEY CAN NOW GO AHEAD.
>> THEY'RE A LITTLE LATE TO THE PARTY.
>> YEAH, I HATE TO SAY TOO MUCH, WE PITCHED TO THEM.
WE WERE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT 44 AND 521.
I WANT TO REALIGN THAT ROAD SO 30 SOUTH AT 521 ON THE WEST SIDE OF 521, IF YOU CAN BRING IN ANCHOR ROAD AND TIE IT IN RIGHT THERE TO WHERE IT CREATES A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION.
THAT'S BEEN OUR PLAN TO DO LET'S CALL THAT MID TERM PROJECT.
LET'S NOT CALL IT LONG TERM BECAUSE I THINK I'VE GOT FUNDS TO DO THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS MY ENVISION.
THEY ACTUALLY HIT US UP ABOUT DOING A ROUNDABOUT THERE AND THE ROUNDABOUT AT 521.
>> I'M DOWN WITH IT. I MAYBE THE ONLY ONE HERE.
>> THAT'S OKAY. YOU GO TRAVIS.
>> I'M ACTUALLY [OVERLAPPING] AS AN OLD MAN, I'VE BEEN ANTI ROUNDABOUTS.
BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU I'VE BOUGHT INTO THE MORE AND MORE AND I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING IT A LITTLE BIT.
I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THEIR CONCEPT.
I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE CONCEPT.
I'M PROBABLY SAYING MORE THAN I SHOULD SAY BECAUSE I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS.
BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY BE VERY INTRIGUED INTO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND HOW THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN DO THOSE THE RIGHT WAY AND YOU CAN DO THOSE THE WRONG WAY AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING.
>> MAYBE MY EXPERIENCE IS ALL WITH THE WRONG WAY, BUT I'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN THE UK, AND I'VE LEARNED TO NOT LIKE ROUNDABOUT.
DON'T GET ME WRONG. A ROUNDABOUT HAS A PLACE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING SMALL.
>> BUT PUTTING IT ON A HIGHWAY, THAT'S THE UK STYLE, AND IT'S HORRIBLE FOR TRAFFIC FLOW.
IT JUST KEEPS SLOWING THINGS DOWN AND BAITING TRAFFIC.
>> SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THEM THAN I DO, [INAUDIBLE]
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I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY ANYTHING BUT SINCE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, I JUST HEARD ABOUT IT.I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT IT.
>> I GET MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE 52344 INTERSECTION.
IT'S NOT INSIDE OUR CITY, BUT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, TXDOT'S BEEN LINKED TO THE PARTY ON THIS.
I WISH THEY WOULD'VE TRAFFIC CONTROLLED THAT A LONG TIME AGO.
KNOWING THAT THE SCHOOL AND THAT SUBDIVISION IS COMING IN, AND YOU MENTIONED TRAFFIC COUNTS, BUT THEY DIDN'T HELP US WITH HENDERSON ROAD, EITHER, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HCAC IS LOOKING AT.
>> WELL, SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET ME OFF ONTO ANOTHER SURVEY.
[LAUGHTER] THEY'VE GOT TO GET THE REGION TO FIT AIR CONFORMITY.
IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THEM TO UNDERSELL GROWTH IN THE OUTER RIM LIKE THEY SAY THE OUTER COUNTIES, THE COUNTIES FROM AROUND HARRIS COUNTY.
IT MAKES IT EASIER TO HIT AIR CONFORMITY NUMBERS THAT THEY NEED TO HIT FOR FEDERAL FUNDING BY UNDER PROJECTING GROWTH OUT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE HISTORICALLY DONE.
NOW, THEY WON'T TELL YOU THEY DO THAT.
THEY'LL NEVER FIGURE OUT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
>> I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WESTERN AVENUE SOME MORE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT 17 WORK ORDERS ENTERED SINCE 2021.
I KNOW HOW THAT FEELS TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREET, NOT HEARD.
>> I JUST BASE THIS ON THE FACTS OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES ON IT AND THE RATING IT RECEIVED, AND ALSO THAT ALL THESE STREETS HAVE SLOWLY BEEN DEGRADING THE ENTIRE TIME.
HENDERSON WAS RATED A BIT IN 2023, WHICH I BELIEVE WE COLLECTED ALL THIS DATA PROBABLY IN 2022.
THAT WAS EVEN BEFORE A LOT OF THE WIN ROSE GREEN TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE THINGS, SO IT DEGRADED PRETTY QUICKLY.
THAT'S WHY MY RECOMMENDATION IS HENDERSON ROAD.
>> BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO NOW SHORTEN IT, HOW MUCH OF IT CAN BE PATCHED WITH YOUR NEW EQUIPMENT, TOO?
>> COMMISSION ROAD IS PRETTY LONG ROAD.
>> I THINK COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND'S PRETTY SPOT ON THERE REDUCING IT FROM BUTA TO 35.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE WORST OF IT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO SAVE YOU MAYBE 0.2, 0.25, POSSIBLY.
THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 0.4, AND LET'S SEE WHAT WAS WESTERN AVENUE.
>> DIDN'T PUT WESTERN AVENUE SPECIFICALLY ON HERE, 0.5.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO POSSIBLY SQUEEZE WESTERN AVENUE IN THERE AS WELL.
>> WESTERN AVENUE HAS YOUNGER CHILDREN THAT ARE HOPEFULLY, MAYBE ALSO ONE DAY WITH TXDOT.
WE CAN GET A SIDEWALK TO GO OVER TO WEST-SIDE SCHOOL, AND IF WE CAN GET THIS STREET AT LEAST WALK-ABLE.
I JUST KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO WAIT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND PUT IN REQUESTS.
[LAUGHTER] I WOULD PUSH MORE TOWARDS WESTERN THEN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN A POSITION.
YOU'RE THINKING YOU COULD DO WESTERN AND HENDERSON?
>> IF WE REDUCE IT FROM BOULTER TO 35.
>> ARCOLA? ARCOLA'S GOT TO BE DONE.
THAT ROAD IS VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED.
THAT ROAD IS TRAVELED ALL DAY LONG.
>> BUT THESE PEOPLE LIVE ON IT AND TRAVEL ON IT.
>> I THINK WE CAN FIND AN ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FOR WESTERN AVENUE, I THINK.
>> BUT HOW SOON, THOUGH? SEVEN YEARS?
>> I DON'T KNOW. ARCOLA HAS BEEN FALLING APART.
> I TRAVEL IT. TO GET TO THESE AND TO COME TO CITY HALL, I TRAVEL ON IT.
THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE. THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
BUT IT'S ALSO CAN WE DO A WORK WITH SINCE IT'S A SHORT PIECE.
>> OUT OF ALL THREE OF THEM, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TWO OF YOU JUST BASED ON THE LENGTH OF H.
>> WELL, WE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION.
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I'M DEFINITELY FOR THE HENDERSON FROM BUTA E. AGE. THAT'S [OVERLAPPING].>> THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE SECOND ROAD? WHAT WOULD THE DISTANCE BE? WHAT'S ARC FROM WHERE WE ARE? WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE RUN TO 35,.
>> THROW AN ALTERNATIVE OUT HERE.
WHAT IF WE LOOKED INTO CONCRETE IN THAT AREA? DO IT RIGHT. IT'S COMING A THOROUGHFARE ON ARCOLA.
WE WOULD EVENTUALLY GO BACK AND EVENTUALLY, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY FIXING PART OF ARCOLA.
WE WOULD NO NEED TO FIX THAT PART YET.
BUY AS A FEW YEARS, BUT YOU PATCH IT TO WHERE EVENTUALLY WE HAVE ONE SOLID CONCRETE CURB ROAD ON ARCOLA AND YOU DO HENDERSON NOW IN WESTERN.
OF COURSE, WE'D HAVE TO COME UP A LITTLE MORE MONEY FOR WESTERN, BUT THEN GO AHEAD AND FIX OUR ARCOLA RIGHT.
GO AHEAD AND GET THE FUNDING FOR C. IT'S A SHORTER RUN 0.25 MILES VERSUS ALMOST DOUBLE THAT TO DO THAT ON WESTERN.
WESTERN WOULD BE TWICE THAT, ROUGHLY.
>> WHAT'S FUNDING FOR CONCRETE?
>> WELL, WE'D HAVE TO GET TO THE SERVICE.
>> THE COUNTY DIDN'T DO CONCRETE.
>> NO, THAT'S NOT NO. I'M TALKING. THIS WOULD BE US.
THIS WOULD BE THE CITY OF ANGLETON MAKING A BESTEN ADS.
>> IF I'M WRONG, JOHN, BUT ARCOLA, THAT WOULD DRAINAGE ISSUE ARCOLA. THAT'S THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
>> WE DID TRY TO STUDY ON THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE ON THAT AREA AROUND THE COURTHOUSE.
ACTUALLY, WE'VE GOT A MASTER PLAN TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE IN THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN AREA, ALL WAY ACROSS 35, ALL THE WAY OUT, WE'VE IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL AREAS OF DETENTION THAT ARE AVAILABLE, CAME UP WITH THE COSTS.
IF YOU'VE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH TEXT TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME A PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES THEIR ISSUES WITH THE BLOOD THAT ARCOLA THAT WHOLE AREA ON 35 WAS UNDER WATER IT RAINS? WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THAT AND TO HELP THEM OUT.
THE COUNTY HAS BEEN TALKING TO THEM AS WELL, TRYING TO GET SOME A FREEWAY PARTNERSHIP. WE GET THAT.
BUT ARCOLA IS IDENTIFIED TO BE A CONCRETE ROADWAY WITH MASSIVE DRAINAGE IMPROVE.
>> WOULD IT MAKE SENSE THEN FOR US TO BUILD RIP IT DOWN TO THE BASE OR DO A COMPLETE BUILD OUT IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY REPLACE WITH CONCRETE? WOULD IT BE BETTER JUST TO MAYBE DO A OVERLAY?
>> YOUR AVERAGE AS FAT MOVE LASTS ABOUT 15 YEARS, 16 YEARS, FOR THE TRAFFIC LOAD THAT COMES ON THAT.
LITTLE SUBDIVISIONS AND STUFF IT WILL LAST A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT.
YOU GOT HEAVY TRAFFIC BUT YOU HAVE ARB TRUCKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE COME ON NORMALLY LAST ABOUT 15 YEARS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FUNDING COMING IN, WITHIN THE NEXT 15 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING TEXTILE ON, HOW LONG AFTER MOLLY? NO YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE DID THE STUDY.
>> YOU FOR MY TIME. DEFINITELY.
>> WE'VE BEEN REALLY PUSHING THAT HARD TO GET THAT PARTNERSHIP THAT SOLVED SO MUCH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY SO MUCH.
WE'VE GOT IT PSM MODEL WITH DEPTHS, SHOWING REDUCTIONS, SHOWING IMPROVEMENTS, ALL THAT STUFF.
LET'S LOOK AT LET'S LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE ON THAT, MAYBE FOR SOME TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENTS TO IT THAT WE CAN WORK ON FOR NEXT YEAR.
LET'S PUSH FORWARD WITH THE BUT 35 ON HENDERSON AND DO THE WESTERN AVENUE.
>> COME BY OF THAT. SOUNDS GOOD.
>> BUT 35 HENDERSON AND WESTERN AVENUE.
>> I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO WITH IN THAT SECTION WHAT WAS YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE BASE ON ARCOLA IN THAT AREA?
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WE WERE JUST MAX MILLED IT AND SAID THE BASE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD.
>> THE SECTION WE JUST BUILT [NOISE].
>> ONE AREA THERE IN THE INTERSECTION [NOISE].
>> THAT ASSUMPTION THAT WE CAN LOOK IN FOR NEXT YEAR, SOME NICKELS TOGETHER AND CONCRETE.
WE NEED TO MAKE THE WHOLE FIGURE THAT OUT.
>> WELL, WE'RE NOT DONE YET. COUNCIL. I NEED YOU ALL TO GIVE ME A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE OVER OR THE REPAIRS FOR ROAD REPAIRS TO BUCK TO THE 35 ON HENDERSON ROAD AND WESTERN AVENUE.
SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025, 2026 STREET OLAY PROJECTS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, MATT.
>> ITEM NUMBER 10, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON
[10. Update and discussion on the Abigail Arias Park Project by Claudia Walker with Burditt. ]
ABIGAIL AREAS PARK PROJECT BY CLAUDIA WALKER WITH BERT.>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
EXCITED TO BRING YOU WITH UPDATES FOR ABIGAIL AREAS PARK.
JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE, AND THEN I'LL PASS IT OFF TO CLAUDE, WHO'S HERE WITH US TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RENDERINGS YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKETS AND SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, AS WELL AS THE COSTS.
BUT JUST A BRIEF UPDATE ON THAT, WE ARE CURRENTLY JUST CURRENTLY WRAPPED UP OUR 60% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR SCHEDULE.
WE'VE PROVIDED COMMENTS ON THOSE BACK.
WE ARE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON OUR 90% PLANS.
WE SHOULD GET THOSE 90% PLANS IN EARLY NOVEMBER, SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT.
THE CURRENT OPINION OF PROBABLE COST IS ABOUT 2.8, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY WE GO WITH SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING PIECES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE DO HAVE AVLC BONDS THAT SUPPORTED $2 MILLION.
WE HAVE $750,000 THAT CAME FROM THE TPW GRANT.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE IN YOUR PACKET, CURRENT ALLOCATIONS, WHAT WE'VE SPENT OR PLAN TO SPEND.
FOUR ITEMS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THERE ARE GOING TO BE THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENTS THAT IS WITH BURDET FOR 198,000.
WE HAD TO DO THE TO SURVEY FOR ABOUT 5,000.
WE ALSO HAD TO DO AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY, WHICH ALSO THAT PIECE IS AN ADD ON FOR TPW.
S IT ADDED A LITTLE BIT EXTRA ELEMENT THAT WE TYPICALLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO FOR SOME OF OUR PROJECTS BECAUSE OF THE GRANTS, THOUGH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT BASED ON SOME OF THE SURVEYS THEY HAD SEEN FOR THAT SPACE.
THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WENT IN THERE AND DID AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDY.
THEY DID NOT FIND ANYTHING THAT CAUSED US TO HAVE ANY ISSUES, BUT THAT WAS AN EXTRA ADD ON THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE.
THEN WE HAD THE GEO TECH THAT WE'VE DONE.
I WILL MENTION THAT ONE DID COME OUT OF PARKLAND DEDICATION, SO WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE PARKLAND FUNDS FOR THAT TO HELP TRY TO RESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF.
AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE'RE WRAPPING UP TO 60% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
OUR NEXT MILESTONES ARE GOING TO BE 90% AGAIN IN EARLY NOVEMBER.
THAT SHOULD PUT US INTO PERMITTING AND FINAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IN DECEMBER.
THEN BASED ON HOW WE'RE ABLE TO LINE THAT UP WITH COUNCIL MEETINGS AND GET THE RFPS PUTOUTS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO OUR BIDDING IN JANUARY TO START TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THAT IS TENTATIVE.
AS LONG AS WE CAN LINE UP WITH OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT TO TRY TO KICK IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I'M HAPPY TO ASKING ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT I WILL PASS IT OFF TO CLAUDY AS WELL.
AGAIN, SHE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT RENDERINGS AND THINGS OF THOSE, BUT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
>> REAL QUICK. HOW MUCH WAS OUR TPW? WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT WE WERE GIVEN?
>> 750,000. WE HAD 2 MILLION FROM ABLC AND THE 750,000 FROM THE GRAND.
>> I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO GRASP MY HEAD AROUND THIS.
THAT THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT IS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO NOT LOOK AT THE BIG PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
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>> YES, SO AS WE GO THROUGH ON CLAUDE TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS, THAT'S BASED ON MORE OF THE FULL MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PARK WENT FULLY COMPLETE THROUGH ALL THE PHASES.
WE ARE IN PHASE 1 RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING WOULD BE LIKE.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PHASES WOULD BE NEEDED TO GET US TO OUR FULL MASTER PLAN.
THE FULL PROJECT WAS SCOPED AT ABOUT 4.5, I BELIEVE, 4.5 MILLION.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE.
WE'VE HAD TO BE STRATEGIC ON HOW THAT LOOKS, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS REALLY STARTS TO OUTLAY WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE.
THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE BEING THE SPLASH PAD, THE PLAYGROUND, THE PAVILION WITH RESTROOMS, THE WALKING PATH THAT'S GOING AROUND AND THEN HARD SKATE, PARKING LOTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THAT IS THE RENDERINGS CAN BE MISLEADING BECAUSE THAT IS FULL MASTER PLAN NOT ALL THOSE ELEMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN PHASE 1.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. I ALWAYS ENJOY BEING ABLE TO PRESENT, THE MORE FUN PER STUFF TO YOU GUYS.
AS YOU MENTIONED, YES, THE RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE ARE FOR THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN THAT WE WORKED THROUGH FOR A FEW MONTHS TO GET THE RIGHT AMENITIES AND THE OVERALL LOOK AND EVER BE WORKED PRETTY HARD ON GETTING THAT JUST RIGHT.
ALL WHILE KNOWING THAT THERE IS ONLY, THE ALLOCATED AMOUNT FOR THE FIRST PHASE, AND WE DID STILL HAVE TO, ALLOW FOR ALL OF THE REQUIRED AMENITIES TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN THERE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH JASON AND STAFF AND OUR DESIGN TEAM TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY PUT INTO THIS FIRST PHASE CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN THERE.
ON THE RENDERINGS THEMSELVES, WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE PARKING, THE PAVILION AND RESTROOM, THE PLAYGROUND SPLASH PAD, AND THE MAIN LOOP.
THOSE ARE THE MAIN AMENITIES THAT WERE INCLUDED AS WELL AS, SOME OF THE PARKING LOT IN SIDE LIGHTING.
WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR VENDORS TO PROVIDE ALSO THE RIGHT GROUND STORAGE SYSTEM FOR THE SPLASH PAD BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE TEXAS PARKING WILD LIFE GRANT REQUIREMENTS TO DO SOME EITHER RECIRCULATION SYSTEM.
>> RECIRCULATION SYSTEM OR A RE-USE OF THE WATER.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH THAT AS WELL.
THERE'S CREDIT REQUIREMENTS ON THAT ANSWER.
JUST WANTED TO GO OVER SOME OF THE RENDERINGS.
YOU HAVE, I BELIEVE, NUMBER 79 THROUGH 88 OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT VIEWS TO EXPLORE THROUGHOUT THERE.
IT APPEARS TO BE, FULLY DEVELOPED ON THE SITE.
WE HAVE THE REQUIRED ENTRY SIGNAGE, VERY MINIMAL ON THE SIDE OF THE PLANTINGS TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING STILL EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PARK SYSTEM TRYING TO KEEP IT LOW MAINTENANCE FOR THE YEAR ROUND MAINTENANCE AS WELL.
MOST OF IT IS JUST THE REQUIRED PLANTINGS FOR PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S ONLY ONE AREA, I BELIEVE IT'S IMAGE I GUESS IT WAS THE FIRST 179 HAS AN AREA WITH THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAIL THAT HAS SOME PLANTINGS IN IT.
THAT IS THE PASSIVE RESPITE SIDE OF THE PARK.
IT IS REALLY THE ONLY AREA THAT HAS SOME PLANTINGS AND THOSE WILL BE GENERALLY MANICURED PLANTS THAT WOULD, STILL BE LOW MAINTENANCE AND ALLOW FOR SOME AREAS TO HAVE A QUIET CEDING SPACE WITHIN THE PARK.
>> IN THIS PICTURE ON THE SCREEN, IS EVERYTHING WE SEE THERE, EXCEPT FOR THE PLANTS.
>> IN THIS PICTURE, YOU WOULD SAY THAT THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAIL, THE ORANGEY TANNED TRAIL AND THE PLANTING SURROUNDING THAT ARE NOT IN PHASE 1.
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YOU CAN SEE IN X ON THE SIDEWALK.WE CAN GO TO A SITE PLAN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SKIP OVER THE RENDERINGS.
>> BUT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS.
WHAT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BLUE?
>> BLUE AREA. THAT IS THE PLAYGROUND IN THE SPLASH PAD.
WE DO HAVE PLAYGROUND AND SPLASH PAD IN PHASE 1.
>> IT IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THAT.
THE SPLASH PAD AND THE PLAYGROUND ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN THAT, BUT IT HAS ROOM TO GROW AND EXPAND IN THE FUTURE.
IT STILL DOES HAVE ALL OF THE REQUIRED ELEMENTS, ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE REQUESTED FROM THE BEGINNING, THE SWINGS, CLIMBING IN A BERM SLIDE.
THEN THE SPLASH PAD IT HAS AREA FOR THE SMALL TODDLER ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
>> WE ALSO KEPT THE BUILDING AT A SMALL FOOTPRINT WITH THE REQUIRED RESTROOMS FOR MEN'S AND WOMEN'S RESTROOMS AND AN OPEN AREA FOR THE PAVILION GATHERINGS, WHICH CAN BE EITHER RENTABLE SPACE OR JUST GENERAL USE.
WE ALSO HAVE SEATING THAT WILL BE GOING AROUND THE PLAYGROUND AND SLASH RIGHT HERE [NOISE] WE CAN GO THROUGH THE RENDERINGS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THIS.
THIS IS THE ENTRANCE WALK FROM THE CEMETERY ROAD INTO THE PARKING LOT.
GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE FUTURE PASSIVE AREA WHERE THE COMPOSED GRANITE TRAILS INTO THE PLAYGROUND AREA.
SAY THIS IS THE AREA THAT WAS COMPRESSED DUE TO KEEPING THE BUDGET INTACT.
YOU WOULD NOT SEE THE GREEN SPACE IN IN PHASE ONE.
THIS IS ON THE OTHER END OF THE ENTRY, SO YOU'RE STILL ON THE PARKING LOT AREA GOING INTO THE SPLASH PAD AREA.
THIS ONE HAS THIS SIDEWALK ENTRY INTO THE SPLASH PAD IS CURRENTLY NOT IN PHASE 1, AND THERE'S ROOM FOR IT TO COME IN.
THERE'S ONE MAIN ENTRY CURRENTLY IN THE IN THE PHASE 1 PROJECT.
>> THE ENTRANCE TO THE SPLASH PAD IS NOT WHILE WE SEE THE SCREEN?
>> THE ENTRANCE TO THE SPLASH PAD IS.
>> IT WILL BE ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR FOR WHERE THE THE BUILDING IS.
>> THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING?
>> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE MORE OF A GATHERING SPACE THAT HAS EITHER DEDICATION OR SOME SPECIAL ELEMENT THERE.
>> THE FLAT WALL. WHICH FACES CEMETERY ROAD. CEMETERY CORD?
>> IT'S PERPENDICULAR CEMETERY.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY DRAWINGS THAT ARE JUST PHASE 1?
>> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE RENDERINGS.
RENDERING. THE RENDERINGS WERE TO ILLUSTRATE THE OVERALL INTENTION OF THE PROJECTS TO BRING IN ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING POSSIBLE OR WHATEVER THAT OPTION, COULD BE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WE HAVE THE PLANS IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
>> I CAN SHOW YOU THAT IT'S ACTUALLY ON SHEET PAGE 97, WE HAVE WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS.
THIS IS OVERALL VIEW FROM THE PARKING LOT LOOKING AT THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE EXCUSE ME, THE THIS LOOP TRAIL THAT THIS IS THE TRAIL THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PROJECT, BUT THE REST OF THE, CLUSTER NEXT TO THE PAVILION IS.
THIS WILL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE SITE.
>> AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S PLANNED FOR IT TO BE MORE OF A PLAZA SPACE.
THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD GO FROM THE PARKING LOT ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF OF THE LOOP TRAIL.
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I'LL HAVE THE INTERCONNECTION INTERNALLY AND THEN THE LOOP.BUT SINCE WE HAD THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PARKS USE, THE TRAIL LOOP WAS ONE OF THE MAIN ONES TO HAVE.
THAT ONE TOOK PRESENT OVER THE INTERNAL.
THIS IS WHERE YOU SEE THE FOUR PICNIC TABLES NEXT TO THE CONCESSION EXCUSE ME, CONCESSION.
NEXT TO THE RESTROOM AREA, AND SO SURROUNDING THAT WOULD BE THE PLAYGROUNDS IN THIS ROOM.
>> THE REST ROOMS ARE ON THE SIDE.
ENTRANCE. THE ENTRANCE TO THE REST ROOMS ARE ON THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING?
>> YOU WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.
THE ENTRANCES ARE GOING TO BE ALONG THIS PATHWAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE VERY VISIBLE.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. THE PATHWAY YOU SEE THERE IS WHERE THE RESTROOMS WOULD BE.
PART OF THE INTENT WAS THAT IS THAT IF WE WERE TO MAKE THE PAVILION RENTABLE SPACE, THAT THE BATHROOMS WOULDN'T BE IN THAT RENTABLE SPACE.
IT GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOUR RENTABLE SPACE AND THE BATHROOMS WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE SIDE, WHICH PROVIDES EASY ACCESS FROM THE PLAYGROUND OR FROM THE SLASH BED.
>> WE TRIED TO FIG CLEAR VISIBILITY THROUGHOUT AS WELL.
ANOTHER VIEW, THIS WOULD BE MAINLY FROM WHERE THE BERM SLIDE WOULD BE ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO THE PLAY AREA.
THIS PLAYGROUND IS ONE OPTION THAT WE ARE EXPLORING, THE ACTUAL PLAYGROUND, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE EXPLORING IN THE SPACE.
THAT FINAL ONE IS GOING TO BE DETERMINED AT A LATER BASE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE DEPENDING ON, COST AND ALL, AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS WITHIN THE BUDGET AS WELL.
>> IS THIS ONE THE BIGGEST FANCIEST ONE, OR IS IT AN AVERAGE ONE?
>> AS CLAUDE HAD MENTIONED, THIS IS I THINK ABOUT FULL SCALE IF WE WERE TO GO MASTER PLAN.
THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF MASTER PLAN.
WE ARE GOING TO GET TO A LITTLE BIT LATER, THOUGH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT COST WISE TO FIND WAYS TO REDUCE COST AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT MAY NOT BE PART OF THE CONTRACT, THAT IF WE PURCHASE IT THROUGH THE BOND MONIES THROUGH THE CITY, WE MAY BE ABLE TO CUT THE COST DOWN TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING CLOSER TO THAT.
THIS IS JUST MORE SO THE RENDERING COMPONENT OF IT.
WE HAVEN'T MAILED THAT ONE DOWN YET.
THAT'S ONE OF THE CITY'S TASK IS GOING TO BE TO GO THROUGH AND WORK WITH THE VENDORS TO SELECT WHAT THAT PLAYGROUND LOOKS LIKE TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
I WILL SAY THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE SPLASH PAD.
THAT WILL TAKE PRECEDENT TO GET THAT FIRST.
WE HAVE THE MORE ASSOCIATED COST.
BREDA DID GET US AN ASSOCIATED COST WITH THE CURRENT ONE, AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO TOWARDS THAT.
WE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THAT, BUT ADDING THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS INTO IT AND LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THAT AS FAR AS THE PLAYGROUND GOES.
WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
>> YES. CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE SPACE TO HOLD THE PLAYGROUND AND SPLASH PAD, AND THOSE DECISIONS WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE AS WE GO.
IT'S JUST A NIGHT SCENE OF THE PAVILION AREA.
THIS ONE, I GUESS IT'S A NIGHT SCENE, TOO.
WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, YOU CAN GO TO 97.
THIS VIEW SHOWS WHAT PHASE ONE WILL BE.
WE HAVE PLACEHOLDERS FOR THE PLAYGROUNDS AND SPLASH BAD AREAS, JUST TO SHOW THAT IT WILL FIT ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE THAT WERE REQUESTED, THE LOOP TRAIL AND THE PARKING LOT.
THEN IN THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING IS THE PAVILION STRUCTURE WITH THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK CONNECTION.
THAT IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND REALLY THE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE PLAY ELEMENTS IN PAVILION.
>> YOUR POCKETING LOT. IS IT JUST BETTER FEASIBILITY NOT
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TO HAVE IT OR HAVE IT ONLY IN OR OFF OF CEMETERY?>> WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ACCESS.
>> YES. I HEARD. THAT'S GREAT [LAUGHTER]
>> IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO ALLOW FOR THAT FUTURE EXPANSION AND WHEN AND IF THERE WAS AVAILABLE ACCESS THERE.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADDED THE NEXT TIME YOU APPEARED BEFORE US?
>> IF YOU GIVE ME THE BUDGET FOR THAT, YES.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE PARKING LOT IN PARKING COUNTS, AND ALSO LEFT IT TO WHERE IT IS EASILY EXPANDABLE TO WHETHER IT'S ADDITIONAL PARKING ON EITHER SIDE.
>> WELL, ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT, IF YOU WILL, A STRIP OF LAND TO THE EAST OF THE CURRENT LOCATION THAT WILL BE UNDER UTILIZED.
IF EVERYTHING WAS SHIFTED, SAY, I THINK THAT'S EAST.
THEN WOULD THAT ALLOW FOR A BIGGER LOOP TO EVENTUALLY TAKE PLACE?
>> A BIGGER LOOP IN IN REGARDS TO.
>> WELL THE LOOP TRAIL. IN THE MASTER PLAN, WE HAD THE PRIMARY LOOP TRAIL AND THEN EXPANDED LOOP ON THE OTHER PROPERTY, AS WELL AS IT WAS GOING TO 22 LOOPS.
ONE OF THEM WAS MORE OF DECOMPOSED GRANITE, MORE ORGANIC WITH THE WORKOUT EQUIPMENT AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAD THE FOOD TRUCK AREAS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
OF COURSE, A MASTER PLAN CAN CHANGE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE.
CATION IS TO BE JUST A BASE PLAN SO THAT YOU CAN EVOLVE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THE BASE PLAN, AND I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO WORK ON A BUDGET, AND I'M TOTALLY COOL WITH THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A SNAP YOUR FINGER.
YOU GOT ALL THE AMENITIES YOU WANT THE FIRST TIME.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO MAKE IT AS NICE AS POSSIBLE.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO GET IT OPEN SO THE KIDS CAN ACTUALLY UTILIZE A SPLASH PARK THIS SUMMER, THAT MAY BE AMBITIOUS.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT PSYCHOLOGICALLY, IF WE DON'T EXPAND, THEN PEOPLE WON'T REALIZE THAT'S ACTUALLY A PART OF THE PARK BECAUSE IT'LL JUST LOOK LIKE AN UNUSED FIELD.
>> THAT SECTION YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT THE NEW PARCEL THAT WE ACQUIRED? THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY SECTION THAT HAS NATURAL TREES CURRENTLY ON IT.
PEOPLE MAY NOT RECOGNIZE THAT, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND SOME STRATEGIC WAY WHEN WE DO OUR GRAND OPENING TO SHOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT IF YOU START SHIFTING THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO SHIFT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER DECIDE TO WORK WITHIN THOSE TREES OR HAVE TO REMOVE ONLY NATURAL TREE.
>> WELL, I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING THE NATURAL TREE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S HARD WOOD LIKE OAK IT'S LONG GOING TO LIVE FOR A LOW.
BUT IT STILL WOULD BE NICE TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF EXIT ONTO OR ENTRANCE ONTO SOUTH ANDERSON EVEN HAVE TO MANIPULATE THE PATH TO GO AROUND A TREE.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE OR TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIL.
>> THE DRIVE THE TRAIL, TOO, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF YOU SWUNG OUT CLOSER TO ANDERSON.
>> WE'LL UTILIZE A PATH IN BETWEEN SOME OF THOSE TREES TO GET BACK TOWARDS THAT.
IT'S JUST A PSYCHOLOGY THING THAT IF YOU LEAVE THIS OPEN STRIP AND THERE'S NOTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THEN THEY'RE, IS THAT A PART OF THE PARK? IT'S NOT REALLY.
>> I WILL SAY SO THAT THAT WOODED AREA INTERNALLY, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON HOW WE CAN DO SOME PROGRAMMATIC STUFF IN THERE TO UTILIZE THAT WOODED AREA.
>> I THINK THE WOODED AREA IS LOVELY.
I'VE DRIVEN BY IT. IT'S A NATURALLY WOODED AREA.
I WOULD NOT CUT IT DOWN FOR ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S DEAD TREES OR ANYTHING.
>> I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE TREES WOULDN'T BE CUT DOWN.
THOSE ONE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ACTUALLY PROBABLY WOULD THE STUFF THAT'S ON OUR PROPERTY THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY.
A BUNCH OF THOSE THAT WERE BEING REMOVED.
THAT'S OFF OF THE NORTHEAST OF THE MOUTH HERE SO THERE ARE ONES BEING REMOVED THERE.
RIGHT AT THAT EDGE, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE ALL THE SMALL CIRCLES ARE, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED TO GET INTO MORE OF THOSE TREES.
IT'S REALLY BUTTING UP RIGHT TO WHERE OUR OLD PROPERTY LINE WAS.
>> I JUST WANT US TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE DRIVE OFF OF ANDERSON, IF YOU EVEN JUST ENTERED OFF OF ANDERSON WOULD, I THINK, IN A CERTAIN RESPECT, FEEL LIKE THE PARK DID INCORPORATE ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER.
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>> I CAN GET WITH VERDE THIS WEEK AND WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET AT LEAST THE COST THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED IF WE WERE TO ADD THAT.
THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH MORE IT WOULD COST TO ADD THAT CONCRETE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY DECENT SECTION THAT YOU WOULD BE ADDING TO GET THERE.
>> IT DOESN'T HURT TO EXPLORE WHAT THAT COST IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN SEE HOW WE CAN CHANGE THAT TRAIL UP A LITTLE BIT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT.
>> AGAIN, EXPAND A LITTLE BIT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE ARE SECTION BECAUSE I CAN TELL THERE IS A SECTION RIGHT WHEN YOU GET PAST THAT FIRST SET OF TREES ON THAT NORTHEAST CORNER.
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO EXPAND INTO THAT.
WE STILL HAVE SOME DENTAL WORK TO DO IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO REMOVE THAT OLD STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE THIS WINTER.
WE CAN WORK THROUGH SOME OF THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SPACE IS THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSE WAS AND THAT'S WHERE THE GARAGE WAS.
I HAVE SOME OPENING THAT'S THERE.
>> I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THIS IS IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PRELIM FOR WHAT WAS STARTING TOGETHER FOR THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE WE DID FORECAST WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IF IT WAS EXTENDED AS AN EXPANSION PROJECT.
>> MAYBE YOU GUYS JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS FOR THAT ROAD EXTENSION.
MAYBE WE DO IT, MAYBE WE DON'T, BUT AT LEAST THE THOUGHT PROCESSES THERE IS HOW THAT CAN WORK WHILE UTILIZING THE EXISTING TREES.
I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW ON MAPS, AND THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME TREE REMOVAL, BUT SOME OF THOSE TREES PROBABLY NEED TO BE REMOVED ANYWAY.
>> NO, I'M ALL FOR KEEPING AS MANY AS WE CAN.
TANA, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THAT PROBABLY CAN GO AND IT MIGHT BE EVEN HEALTHIER IF THEY DIDN'T CROWD OUT THE OTHER TREES. IT'S ALL.
>> WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.
>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD IS, FIRST, I THINK THE BIG QUESTION IS, HOW FAR OUT ARE YOU GUYS PROJECTING THAT WE ARE ON THIS?
>> SO AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, WE SUBMITTED THE 60% DRAWINGS, PROBABLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
WE ARE SUBMITTING THE 90% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IN TWO WEEKS AS WELL FOR REVIEW AND THEN ANTICIPATING THE DECEMBER PERMITTING.
WE HAVE THE MONTH OF DECEMBER FOR PERMITTING DUE TO THE HOLIDAYS AND QUITE KNOWING HOW LONG FORMING REVIEW IS GOING TO TAKE.
THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE WANTING TO ALIGN THE BIDDING AND AWARDS WITH YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS AS WELL.
WE ARE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE, EXCITING FOR IT.
I KNOW THE START STARTED A LITTLE SLOW TRYING TO GET THE MASTER PLAN AND EVERYTHING TOGETHER, BUT WE'RE SEEING THE LIGHT FOR SURE.
>> I THINK YOU'VE GOT A COUNCIL THAT'S COMMITTED TO FAST TRACKING THIS, SO ASSUMING THAT ALL OF THAT GOES AS FAST AS WE CAN.
SURELY, YOU GUYS HAVE A DATE THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING TO HAVE YOUR PROJECT BIDS BACK BY ONCE THEY'RE SUBMITTED.
THERE'S BOUND TO BE FORECASTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I'M SURE BIRD'S DOING PROJECTED EARNINGS FORECASTS, AND SOMEBODY HAS PUT DOWN IN THEIR BOOKS WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THE MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT. WHEN IS THAT?
>> WHEN WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THE MONIES?
>> YEAH, IT'S BUSINESS FORECASTING.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THIS.
WHEN YOU EXPECT TO HAVE THIS PROJECT COMPLETE?
>> COMPLETE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF, SO THIS WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE BIDDING AND COMPLETE AND SAY, MINUS THE ALIGNMENT OF COUNCIL MEETINGS ABOUT MID MARCH OR SO.
IT'S ALSO IN THE PACKET SHEET 152, AND SO SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT, SO THAT WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING].
WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMPRESS THE SCHEDULE AS WELL.
ACTUALLY WE REMOVED A FEW OF THE WEEKS IN THE REVIEW AND COORDINATION PROCESS IN ORDER
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TO COMPRESS THE SCHEDULE AS MUCH AS WE COULD.THAT'S WHAT THE SCHEDULE ENTAILS.
>> WHICH ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT TAKES THE LONGEST TIME. SPLASH PACK?
>> WELL, THE BUILDING WOULD TAKE THE LONGEST, ALL THE PLUMBING AND JUST ALL THE DETAILS ON THE BUILDING WILL TAKE THE LONGEST.
AFTER THAT, THE SPLASH PACK COULD TAKE A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE OF THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE, BUT LIKELY THE PARKING AND PODIUM [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A DATE. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE NOT DOING IT, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A DATE, JUNE 28TH, 2026.
THAT'S ABIGALE'S 14TH BIRTHDAY.
>> AND IS IT POSSIBLE [OVERLAPPING]?
>> I THINK WE NEED TO PUSH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT OUT ON HER BIRTHDAY FOR JUNE 28TH, 2026.
I KNOW THAT'S PUSHING IT. I REALIZE THAT, BUT MY OPINION IS, IF YOU DON'T ASK, YOU DON'T RECEIVE.
>> I THINK WE CAN HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS GOING TO HOLD YOU UP.
IF EXTENDING A ROAD TO ANDERSON HOLDS US UP, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
I'M WITH YOU, TRAVIS, BUT WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT LATER, DEMO CURB AND EXTEND THE ROAD.
>> I KNOW IT'S AMBITIOUS. I GET IT.
I KNOW, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE JUST ALLOCATED THIS MONEY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
THIS MONEY HAS BEEN SITTING HERE AND, ANYWAY.
>> WE NEED YOU GUYS HELP IN PUSHING THIS ALONG AT AN EXPEDITED PACE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. WE'LL LOOK AT THE DATES SOME MORE, AND I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE WHOLE BIDDING PROCESS IN MORE DETAIL WITH THE ACTUAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THE CITY, ALIGN THOSE A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING EXTRA IN THOSE DAYS.
WE'VE BEEN HAVING REGULAR MEETINGS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT GETS MISSED WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH FORWARD ON EVERYTHING.
WE'RE COORDINATING EVERYTHING TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN KEEP THE SCHEDULE AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE.
WHENEVER THERE'S A CHANCE TO SUBMIT SOMETHING EARLIER, WE SUBMIT EARLY AS WELL.
IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE, SOMETIMES THE WAY THINGS LINE UP WITH EVERYTHING.
WE ALSO HAVE TO GET THE ELECTRICAL POWER COORDINATED AND THEY LIKE TO TO MAKE YOU WAIT, SO WE'RE PUSHING AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON EVERYTHING WE CAN.
>> THE POWER IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT YOU GETTING THE FACILITY TOGETHER THERE?
>> NO. IT'S JUST THE COORDINATION ON GETTING THE POWER.
WE'VE DONE IT WHERE WE CONTINUE COORDINATING THAT DURING THE BID.
>> THAT'S A COMPLAINER DETAIL, THOUGH.
IT'S GOING TO RUN IN PARALLEL WITH THE PROJECT.
>> WE'RE DEFINITELY WORKING TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE.
JASON HAS DONE A GREAT JOB RESPONDING QUICKLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT GETS HELD BACK AS WELL.
SOMETIMES, WE HAVE TO WAIT AND DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH GETTING ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN TIME.
>> WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST DELAY, CLAUDIA?
>> WHAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST DELAY? WE STARTED THIS NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024.
WE'RE ALMOST A YEAR IN, AND WE'RE JUST NOW DELIVERING 60% OF THE DOCUMENTS FOR REVIEW.
>> YES. WE HAVE THE PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE THE INITIAL MASTER PLANNING PROCESS THAT DID EXTEND ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO DUE TO ALIGNMENT AND SCHEDULING AND THE DECISIONS THAT WERE BEING DONE.
I HAVE THE SCHEDULE IN HERE ON PAGE 152 AS WELL.
I HAVE ALL THE DATES [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT DID TAKE A WHILE AND ORIGINALLY,
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I BELIEVE WE HAD STARTING THE CONSTRUCTION IN ABOUT JANUARY INSTEAD OF MARCH, SO THAT'S THE TWO MONTHS OF EXTENSION.WE SKIPPED THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND WENT INTO THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE IN THAT SENSE SO THAT WE CAN STILL CONTINUE TO COMPRESS ON THAT.
BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THE CONSTRUCTION, THIS ALL INTO SCHEDULE.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF REVIEW.
I BELIEVE IT'S A ABOUT THREE WEEKS OR SO THAT WE THAT WE REMOVED OUT OF OUR FIRST SCHEDULE IN ORDER TO COMPRESS THE OVERALL SCHEDULE.
>> BUT THE ISSUE IS, YOU WERE RIGHT WHEN YOU SAID THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO BE STARTING IN JANUARY AND NOW WE'RE STARTING IN MARCH, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
WHEN WE DID LAKESIDE, CLARK CONDON TOOK FOREVER.
AND, YES, I'M SURE SOMEBODY'S LISTENING AND WE WILL SAY SOMETHING, BUT THEY DID, AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE NOT AWARDED THE CONTRACT FOR FREEDOM OR FOR ABIGIL AREAS.
THAT'S WHY BIRD IT WAS, AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ON FREEDOM PARK AND GETTING THAT TO US PRETTY QUICKLY, BUT WE ARE VERY FRUSTRATED WITH ABIGAIL AREAS AND THE LACK OF MOVEMENT ON THIS.
THIS COUNCIL IS VERY MOTIVATED TO SEE THEIR PROJECTS THROUGH, AND THEY DON'T WANT THEM LINGERING ANYMORE.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH IT JUST NOW ON THE DRAWINGS.
YOU'RE DELIVERING 60% TONIGHT, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU ANOTHER THREE WEEKS FOR 90% AND ANOTHER THREE WEEKS AFTER THAT FOR 100%.
I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED SIX MORE WEEKS TO DO 100% DRAWINGS FROM 60.
COUNSEL, IF I'M WRONG, AND YOU ALL CAN CORRECT ME.
>> NO, YOU'RE SPOT ON. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SENSE OF URGENCY HERE.
IF YOU GUYS ARE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU NEED TO SEND SOMETHING OUT AND YOU'RE, WE'LL GET TO THIS NEXT WEEK, NO, TODAY IS THE DAY TO DO THAT.
>> IF COUNSEL NEEDS TO MEET OFF CYCLE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING IT.
WE'RE GOING TO HIT THE DEADLINES, BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO HEAR THAT IT'S BEING DELAYED BECAUSE OF SCHEDULING OR SOMETHING ELSE.
WE EXPECT EVERYBODY TO MEET THEIR SCHEDULES.
>> JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS I WANT TO PROVIDE ON THAT, DEFINITELY HEAR THE SENTIMENT THAT GOES WITH THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BERT AND I HAVE ACTUALLY COMMITTED TO IS THAT WE ARE MEETING ON A BIWEEKLY BASIS TO HELP EXPEDITE SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO GET US AHEAD OF THOSE TO ENSURE WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF SOME OF THOSE DEADLINES SO WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK OFFLINE TO TRY TO HIT THOSE.
LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE, I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY CAN PLAN TO HAVE OUR FINAL PIECE IN DECEMBER.
IF WE HIT THAT, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE ONLY THE ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER, BUT IF WE BRING BACK 100% PLANS AND TALK ABOUT THE PERMIT PIECE IN DECEMBER, THAT SHOULD CONTINUE TO EXPEDITE THAT THAT WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
I HAD A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION WITH PERMITTING, AND THEY ASSURED ME THAT WE COULD GET THAT DONE PRETTY QUICKLY.
THAT WILL HELP KNOCK OFF THAT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THOSE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WITH THAT WE'LL SAY GOING BACK TO THE COMING YOU MAY PROVIDED EARLIER, WE'RE AT THAT FINISH LINE POINT, AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS OF THE PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL NECESSARILY GET ADDED TO THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO ADD TOO MANY THINGS THAT MAY NOT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT FUTURE WISE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT FOR THIS ONE TO THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE FUNDING COMPONENT.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO PUSH FORWARD IT DOESN'T HURT TO SEE WHAT THAT COST COULD BE, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO PUSH THIS FORWARD SO WE CAN MOVE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S AN AMAZING DATE TO HIT IF WE CAN HIT IT.
THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THIS PROJECT.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.
>> ONE LAST QUESTION I DO HAVE ABOUT THE DESIGN.
HOW ARE WE PLAYING HOMAGE TO ABIGAIL IN THIS PARK? WHERE IS IT IN THIS PLAN?
>> IT IS NOT IN THIS PLAN AT THE MOMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT MARTHA AND I ARE WORKING ON SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO DIVULGE TOO MUCH FOR IT, BUT WE HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT WE THINK WILL BE VERY TASTEFUL FOR HER TO PAY RESPECTS TO HER, AND ALSO FOR THE SUPPORT THAT WE FEEL THE COMMUNITY WILL GIVE TO THIS.
THERE ARE WORKINGS TO THAT, I THINK, THAT ARE GOING TO FIT REALLY WELL.
>> I'D BE HAPPY IF ALL WOULD SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNSEL, PLEASE.
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THEN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE BID PART OR THE ESTIMATED PROBABLE COST, THERE'S OWNER PROVIDED CONTRACTOR PROVIDED.THE OWNER PROVIDED, THAT'S ON YOU.
YOU GOT TO GO AND GET THIS STUFF DONE.
WELL, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE ITEM NUMBER 9 FOR PLAYGROUND FURNISHINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S 1.1 MILLION THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.
I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO HIT THOSE NUMBERS.
>> THE GOOD NEWS I WILL SAY ON THAT IS A LOT OF THEM ARE REALLY COUPLED TOGETHER.
WHEN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN, YOU HAVE THE SPLASH PAD.
THE SPLASH PAD IS ONE ALL ENCOMPASSING PROJECT.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP HALF OF THE COST [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEN THE OTHER ONES PLAYGROUND, BERM AND THE PORN PLATE ARE ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLAYGROUND.
THAT'S REALLY ONLY TWO VENDORS.
THAT SHOULD MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT EASIER IN THAT COMMUNICATION WE HAVE.
VERDA HAS ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF THE VENDORS.
WE ALREADY HAVE RECEIVED THAT TO BE ABLE TO JUST CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION.
THE THOUGHT PROCESS REALLY IS THAT IT DOESN'T GET PASSED OFF TO A GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR THEIR ADDITIONAL MARKUP THAT WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH AND PURCHASE THEM AS WE NORMALLY WOULD THROUGH OUR IR CONTRACT AND BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE COSTS DOWN TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE.
>> SUZY, ANY CHANCE YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING YOU DID WE'RE DOING TO FREEDOM?
>> THE PLAYGROUND? IT WOULD HELP US. WE CAN EXPLORE IT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, TOO.
>> I APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK YOU'RE COMING IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD HERE, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF URGENCY ESTABLISHED WITH YOU GUYS AND GET THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.
AS JOHN SAID, YOU GUYS DID A LOT OF GREAT WORK ON THE OTHER PROJECTS, AND WE THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DO GREAT ON THIS.
WE JUST NEED TO GET IT MOVING THE SAME WAY THAT ALL MOVED THE OTHER ONES.
>> YES, CERTAINLY, AND JUST TO KNOW WE WILL ALSO LOOK JUST TO GET A BETTER VIEW OF WHAT THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE COULD BE SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE ANY OF THAT CAN BE COMPRESSED OR COORDINATED.
IF THERE IS THE BIRTHDAYS CELEBRATION, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE COORDINATED WITHIN THAT TIMELINE AS WELL. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
>> WELL, THERE'S NO ACTION OUT OF THIS.
WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TONIGHT FOR SURE.
>> THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME OUT OF THE WAY.
>> WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING OF HEARING ABOUT FREEDOM PARK.
>> YES, WE'RE GETTING READY FOR THAT.
>> ITEM NUMBER 11, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO CONSIDER THE ANGLETON ESTUARY,
[11. Discussion and possible action to consider the Angleton Estuary LLC Petition for Release of an Area from a Municipality's Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ), being a tract containing 107.483 acres of land located in John W. Cloud League & the J.DE J. Valderas Survey, Brazoria County, Texas. Pursuant to the provisions of Subchapter D, Chapter 42 of the Texas Local Government Code.]
LLC PETITION FOR RELEASE OF AN AREA FROM A MUNICIPALITY'S EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION BEING A TRACT CONTAINING 107.483 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED IN JOHN W CLOUD LEAGUE AND THE JDE J VALDERRA SURVEY, MISSOURI COUNTY, TEXAS, PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SUBCHAPTER D CHAPTER 42 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.>> THIS IS ACTION THAT YOU'VE TAKEN BEFORE ON THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY, AS YOU SEE ON THE GRAPHIC.
YOU DISCUSSED THIS BACK IN JANUARY.
THE PETITION WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER OF 2024 TO DNX THIS PROPERTY OUT OF THE CITY.
COUNSEL IN JANUARY AND THAT'S 2025, VOTED TO DENY THE REQUEST AS IT WAS SUBMITTED BY PETITION OF THE LAND JUST NORTH OF 523, AS YOU SEE HERE, BOARDED TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST OF BUSINESS 288 THERE.
THERE ARE FOUR PARTS OF THE PETITION, AS YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
LEGAL IS AVAILABLE BEFORE YOU TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER AND TO GIVE YOU SOME ANGLES OF APPROACH TO DEAL WITH THIS RESUBMITTAL, AND REQUEST THAT COUNCIL WOULD RELEASE THIS FROM THE ETJ OF THE CITY.
BUT SCOTT IS HERE TO ADDRESS IT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND GIVE YOU SOME APPROACHES.
AS YOU KNOW, THE GRAND PERRY LAWSUIT RESULT
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DIDN'T GO IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANTED IT TO GO.HOWEVER, SCOTT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
>> WE'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
>> ESSENTIALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS THE NEW LAW WAS PASSED, I THINK IN 2023.
IS COUNCIL AWARE OF THIS? AND THE LAWSUIT THAT WAS ATTEMPTED TO OVERTURN THAT WHICH ULTIMATELY WASN'T SUCCESSFUL.
>> FOR THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING THOUGH ONLINE, I THINK PROBABLY GIVING A RECAP OF WHAT THE STATE LAW IS AND WHY IT'S AFFECTING ANGLETON THE WAY IT IS.
>> THE NEW LAW WAS PASSED THAT ESSENTIALLY I'LL BRING IT UP THE POINTS THAT MUST BE MET FOR A PROPERTY TO BE RELEASED FROM THE ETJ.
ESSENTIALLY, A PETITION REQUESTING RELEASE UNDER CHAPTER 42 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT IF THERE ARE MORE THAN 50% OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS OF AN AREA DESCRIBED IN THE PETITION AS OF THE DATE OF THE PROCEEDING OR A MAJORITY IN THE VALUE OF THE HOLDERS OF TITLE OF LAND IN THE AREA DESCRIBED BY THE PETITION IS MET, AND THE PETITION ALSO CONTAINS OTHER ESSENTIALLY BOX CHECKING ASPECTS.
IT HAS TO HAVE THE SIGNATURES IN WRITING.
IT HAS TO HAVE A MAP OF THE LAND TO BE RELEASED AS WELL AS BEING DESCRIBED BY MEETS AND BOUNDS.
IF THESE ITEMS ARE ALL MET BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA, THEN THE MUNICIPALITY IS ESSENTIALLY REQUIRED TO RELEASE THE LAND FROM THE ETJ.
IT IS SHALL LANGUAGE IN SECTION 42 THAT STATES SPECIFICALLY THAT THE CITY SHALL RELEASE THE PROPERTY.
IT ALSO STATES THAT IF THE CITY FAILS TO RELEASE THE PROPERTY AFTER 45 DAYS AFTER THE PETITION IS SUBMITTED, OR 30 DAYS AFTER A MEETING AFTER THE PETITION IS SUBMITTED, THE LATTER OF THE TWO, THE LAND IS RELEASED AS A MATTER OF LAW.
>> YOU MEAN A MEETING FOR THE COUNCIL? I THOUGHT YOU MEANT A MEETING WITH THE LANDOWNER.
>> WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THE LANDOWNER.
>> THE PETITION WAS SUBMITTED IN JANUARY, SORRY, IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
IN JANUARY, COUNCIL, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED.
>> SAID NO. WELL, AT THE TIME THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED, SO THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER THAT WALL WOULD STILL BE VALID AND ACTIVE.
THE FACT THAT THE LAWSUIT HAS BEEN DISMISSED, ESSENTIALLY, THE LAND AS ESSENTIALLY WOULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN RELEASED AS A MATTER OF LAW, BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T TAKE ACTION TO RELEASE IT WITHIN THE DESIGNATED TIME POINT PERIOD.
UNDER A TECHNICAL LEGAL STANDPOINT, THE LAND HAS PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN RELEASED.
WE'RE HERE BECAUSE IT IS, I GUESS, A BIT OF A CONFUSING ASPECT OF THE CITY DENIED IT.
THEN THE LAWSUIT WAS DISMISSED, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS ESSENTIALLY PUTTING IT BACK.
THE CITY CAN TAKE THE ACTION THAT IT WANTS FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
I WOULD SURMISE THAT THE LANDS HAS ALREADY LIKELY BEEN RELEASED AS A MATTER OF LAW.
BUT DISCUSSING IT HERE AT LEAST WILL GIVE SOME CLARITY, HOPEFULLY TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED AS TO HOW THE CITY AND HOW THE LAND OWNERS UNDERSTAND.
>> LET ME EXERCISE THAT I DISAGREE BY TAKING NO ACTION AT ALL.
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>> I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE AGAINST IT ONE MORE TIME.
>> THIS IS ALL ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR PASSING THAT LAW AND THE RAMIFICATION'S GOING TO HAVE ON THIS CITY IN THE LONG TERM.
THOSE ARE PRIME GROWTH AREAS OF OUR CITY, AND WE HAVE NO RECOURSE HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S LANDLOCKING US TO THE NORTH IN SOME CASES.
>> THERE'S NO APPEAL BEING MADE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WITH A LAWSUIT? NOT TO MY UNDERSTANDING.
THERE WAS A GRAND PRAIRIE LEADING.
>> TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'VE MISSED THEIR DEADLINE ON THE APPEAL.
I'M NOT AWARE OF AN APPEAL THAT WAS FILED.
IT WAS DISMISSED, I THINK IN MARCH OR APRIL THIS YEAR, SO THEY WOULD HAVE MISSED THEIR DEADLINE FOR AN APPEAL, I THINK.
BUT IF IT WAS APPEALED, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT.
BUT I'M NOT 100% SURE THAT ACTION WASN'T TAKEN OR SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT BE IN THE WORKS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE LAWSUIT WAS NECESSARILY DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE, I BELIEVE THERE WAS OTHER GROUNDS WHY IT WAS DISMISSED.
THERE MIGHT STILL BE ROOM FOR EITHER GRAND PRAIRIE OR SOMEBODY ELSE TAKING UP THE ISSUE AGAIN.
>> I WANT TO ECHO A LITTLE BIT AND EXPAND UPON WHAT THE MAYOR SPOKE OF.
THIS IS THE STATE LEGISLATURE TAKING AWAY CONTROL FROM YOUR CITY GOVERNMENT.
THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY ARE SMARTER AND A BETTER UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMY AND YOUR LOCAL MUNICIPALITY DOES.
>> THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE WHAT?
>> THEY'RE SMARTER. THAT THEY ARE SMARTER, THAT THEY KNOW BETTER THAN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
>> I DON'T KNOW, I JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR ACTIONS, TRAVIS, AND THIS IS SO IGNORANT.
>> THE PROBLEM WITH THE CITY LIKE ANGLETON, IS IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS PARTICULAR TRACK, IF WE JUST FOCUS ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR TRACK, WE DON'T HAVE TO PLAY HYPOTHETICALS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS PARTICULAR TRACK OF LAND IS, IT'S JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 523 DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL.
IF BY LAW THEY ARE ALLOWED TO, AND THEY ARE, BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATURE HAS DECIDED WE CAN'T FIGURE THIS OUT FOR OURSELVES.
I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE MORE POWERFUL IN THE LEGISLATIVE HOUSE THAN THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP AND THEY'D LIKE TO DO SO WITHOUT ANY FEES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND.
I WOULD WANT THAT AS WELL IF I WAS A DEVELOPER.
THE PROBLEM THEY PUT THE CITY OF ANGLETON IN IS THIS CAN BE ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES OF THE COUNTY, AND SO DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT A DUMP, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT A STRIP MALL WITH A BUNCH OF STRIP BARS, THERE'D BE NO PROHIBITION OTHER THAN THE WHATEVER, HOW MANY FEET AWAY FROM SCHOOL BOARD OR FROM THE SCHOOL ZONE, SHOOTING RANGE.
I MEAN, ALL THESE THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE, IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL.
>> IT COULD BE HUNDREDS OF APARTMENTS.
IT COULD BE, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO OTHER ACTUAL LARGER RESIDENTIAL TRACKS.
IT COULD BE HEB, WHICH I'M JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING.
I MEAN, HEB, THAT'D BE GREAT FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IT TAKES ALL THE SALES TAX OUT OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
IF YOU KNOW HOW YOU FUND YOUR CITY GOVERNMENT, WELL, THOSE SALES TAX MATTER.
WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS MATTERS.
I WISH OUR LOCAL LEGISLATURES UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT THEY'VE DECIDED OTHERWISE.
TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ANGLETON OR THE PEOPLE WHO
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ARE PERHAPS LIVE JUST IN THAT ETJ, I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA WEBSITES THAT ANGLETON IS GROWING TOO FAST OR CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T CARE, THAT'S NOT TRUE.WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH A DEVELOPER TO PERHAPS ADD A WATER SYSTEM THERE, CLEAN WATER.
BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO BINDING AUTHORITY.
THERE'S NO REASON TO NEGOTIATE.
IF THEY WANT TO COME TO US AND ASK FOR WATER THEN SURE, MAYBE.
BUT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT. AM I UPSET? YOU'RE RIGHT, I AM. IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO SEE A STATE THAT SUPPOSEDLY PRIDES ITSELF ON SMALL GOVERNMENT DECIDE THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T COUNT.
>> FURTHER TO THAT, IF THEY NEED WATER IN THESE TWO BIG AREAS HERE AND THEY GO TO PUT A WELL IN, WELL, THAT MIGHT BE FINE AND GREAT FOR THEM, BUT WE'VE GOT A WELL RIGHT HERE AND WE NEED OUR WATER.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAPPING THE SAME WATER SYSTEM AS WE ARE.
IF IT GETS DRY ENOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.
IF WE DECIDE TO EXPAND OUT HERE, SAY IF THE SOIL DEVELOPS, AND WE NEED ANOTHER WATER, WELL, WE'VE GOT MORE SPIGOTS IN THE GROUND.
I THINK TCQ SHOULD REALLY THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER HERE.
SCOTT, DO YOU REMEMBER IN THE LAW, DOES IT HAVE A MINIMUM WIDTH OR AN AREA?
>> BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE IS AN ISSUE.
>> A MINIMUM WIDTH FOR THE TOTAL LAND AREA OF THE PROPERTY TO BE RELEASED OR WITH COMPARE DISTANCE TO.
>> YOU SEE THAT LITTLE SPOT RIGHT THERE? WHAT I'M SAYING IT'S LIKE A SCARE SHOTGUN.
I'LL TAKE THAT LITTLE PIECE HERE AND I'LL TAKE THAT PIECE HERE, BUT THIS ONE ACTUALLY HAS A LITTLE BITTY PIECE RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE LAW.
>> IT'S MORE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S AN AREA DESIGNATED.
IT'S MORE ABOUT WHERE IT'S LOCATED, I BELIEVE, THAN THE SPECIFIC LAND AREA.
>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE A CONTIGUOUS.
>> SORRY, BEAR WITH ME. I'M GOING TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC.
ONE EXCEPTION MIGHT BE IF IT'S WITHIN 15 MILE MILE BOUNDARY OF A MILITARY BASE, WHICH I BELIEVE IT'S NOT IN THIS CASE.
>> NOW, THERE ARE NOT SPECIFIC LAND AREA REQUIREMENTS.
>> I LAUGH AT THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT THE WIND SONG.
>> THAT'S PEOPLE WITH MONEY, THEY'LL FIGHT IT.
>> THERE IS A LIMITATION, BUT THAT'S ONLY FOR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF A MUNICIPALITY LOCATED IN FOUR OR MORE COUNTIES, ONE OF WHICH HAS A POPULATION OF 2.1 MILLION OR MORE AND IS ADJACENT TO A COUNTY WITH A POPULATION OF 2.6 MILLION OR MORE.
>> EITHER WAY, I KNOW HOW I'M VOTING ANYWAYS.
>> WELL, CAN YOU LOOK INTO THAT FOR US?
>> I'LL LOOK INTO THAT QUICKLY HERE.
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BRAZORIA COUNTY?>> ONE OF THINGS I WANT TO SAY TO ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY, I'VE HEARD IT PLENTY OF TIMES, AS I KNOW, MOST OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE, HOW ARE THESE THINGS OCCURRING, THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THE BUILD OUTS OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, AND WHY IS THERE NOT MORE REGULATION OF THIS? WE HAVE REALLY PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD TRYING TO DO SO AND THIS RIGHT HERE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE STATE STEPPING IN AND TAKING THAT CONTROL AWAY FROM US AND NOT ALLOWING YOU TO ELECT REPRESENTATION THAT CAN CONTROL THESE TYPES OF THINGS EVEN THAN THE ETJ.
>> WE ALREADY HAVE ONE BEING BUILT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN NOW.
THE 88TH LEGISLATURE, SENATE BILL 2038 THAT WAS WRITTEN AND APPROVED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACING.
I HAVE SPOKEN MANY TIMES TO SENATOR MIDDLETON AND OTHER SENATORS AND TO NO AVAIL, NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
JUST GOING TO SAY THAT NOW. IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
COUNCIL, DO I HAVE ANY ACTION OFF THIS ITEM?
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN THEY START BUILDING THOSE HOUSES, LAST TIME THEY CAME, THEY PLANNED FOR ALMOST 1,000 FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A ONE TIME THEY WANTED SOME APARTMENTS IN THERE AS WELL.
>> A WHOLE RENTAL SUBDIVISION JUST LIKE IN BONNIE.
>> NOTHING STOPPED THEM. I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK THAT THEY COME TO US AND LET'S TRY TO WORK OUT SOMETHING BETWEEN US. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HOPE FOR.
>> DEFINITELY WOULD RATHER WORK WITH THEM THAN WORK AGAINST THEM.
ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> MOTION TO DENY BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL, SECOND BY MAYOR TIM TOWNSEND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS.
>> ITEM 12. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO THE [INAUDIBLE] THE 2024 COMMUNITY.
>> MR. MAYOR, CAN WE MOVE THE MOTION UP?
[15. Discussion and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 20251028-015 an ordinance by the City Council of the City of Angleton, Texas authorizing the issuance and sale of the City of Angleton, Texas, Combination Tax and Revenue Certificates of Obligation, Series 2025; levying a tax and providing for the security and payment thereof; and enacting other provisions relating thereto. ]
DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20251028-015, ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS, AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, TEXAS COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, SERIES 2025, LEVYING A TAX AND PROVIDING FOR THE SECURITY AND PAYMENT THEREOF, AND ENACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATING THERE TOO. JOE.>> MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING.
CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, MORE PRECISELY.
AS PART OF OUR PROCESS, AS WE ALWAYS DO, WE WENT TO GET A RATING.
SUZY PUT IN A LOT OF WORK IN DOING RESEARCH AND PUTTING TOGETHER A PRESENTATION FOR US, WE TRIED TO GO BURIED IN DEPTH.
THE RESULTS OF THAT ARE BEHIND TAB 3.
THEY ASSIGNED US AN A PLUS RATING.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THAT REPORT AND PART OF THE REASON WAS OUR FUND BALANCE LEVEL AND OUR SUSCEPTIBILITY TO ENVIRONMENTAL EVENTS LIKE HURRICANES.
I EXPECT TO GET WITH SUZY AND LOUPE OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN STRATEGIZE HOW WE PERHAPS CAN RETURN IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THIS IS A TWO YEAR OUTLOOK.
THEY PUT IN A PLUS STABLE, WHICH MEANS THEIR EXPECTATION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME RATING CATEGORY FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
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THAT IS THEIR OPINION AND THEIR OUTLOOK.BUT AGAIN, WE'LL BE BACK WITH SOME THOUGHTS AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A WORKSHOP IN WHICH WE CAN WORK TOWARDS GETTING BACK TO OUR LEVEL A MINUS.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE DEBT MARKETS IS THEY'RE VERY EFFICIENT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE INSURANCE.
WE GOT A VERY GOOD BID, THERE WERE TWO INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT SUPPLIED POLICIES.
THE WINNING BID CAME FROM A COMPANY NAMED ASSURED GUARANTY.
THAT COST US APPROXIMATELY $24,000 TO GET THE INSURANCE AND WRAP IT AROUND US, WHICH TAKES US FROM AN A PLUS UP TO A AA RATING.
LET'S DIVE INTO THE RESULTS OF OUR SALE BEHIND TAB 1.
I WANT YOU TO TAKE NOTE OF OUR BOND BUYER [INAUDIBLE].
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE RATES OR RECENT RATES OVER ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE HAD A TURN AND RATES HAVE DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY.
THAT GOES BACK TO THE EXPECTATION OF RATE CUTS OF WHICH TOMORROW, WE EXPECT TO GET ANOTHER ONE, AND THAT WAS HAS BEEN PRICED INTO THE RATE THAT WE GOT TODAY.
AS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, I WAS LOOKING AT RECENT SALES.
TWO WEEKS AGO ON THE 14TH, THERE WAS A TEXAS CITY THAT SOLD CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WITH A STANDALONE NON INSURED AA RATING, THAT'S THEIR NATURAL RATE.
THEY SOLD OBLIGATIONS WITH THE SAME MATURITY PATTERN AS US.
THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE BACK LOADED THAN US, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE LIFE OF 14.21, THEY WERE 15 YEARS.
THEY SOLD THEIR ISSUE AT 4.456.
TODAY, WE PRICED OUR ISSUE AT A TRUE INTEREST COST OF 4.17.
JUST IN THE TWO WEEK TIME PERIOD, YOU CAN SEE WE GOT THE WIND AT OUR BACK, TIMING WORKED OUT WELL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO AS WE APPROACHED OUR SALE, AS YOU MAY RECALL, BACK ABOUT 60 DAYS AGO OR SO, YOU PASSED A NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE.
THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER AND THAT SET OUR LIMIT AS TO HOW MUCH WE COULD SELL, WHICH WAS $8,225,000.
INDEED, THAT'S WHAT WE SOLD TO PUT INTO CONSTRUCTION.
EVERYTHING WENT VERY, VERY WELL WITH THE SALE ONCE IT GOT THROUGH AND THE PRICING WENT IN THIS MORNING AND BEHIND TAB NUMBER TWO, THIS IS THE COVER OF WHAT WILL BE THE FINAL OFFICIAL STATEMENT, AND YOU CAN SEE TOP RIGHT THERE'S AN AGM INSURED AT THE AA, S&P UNDERLYING RATING OF A PLUS, THE TWO FIRMS THAT MARKETED OUR BONDS FOR US WERE BOK FINANCIAL AND RAYMOND JAMES.
THERE AS OF THIS EVENING, THERE'S NOT ANY BALANCES AS IS MY UNDERSTANDING ON THIS.
THE MARKET RECEIVED VERY WELL.
BEHIND THAT, YOU GET TO THE DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE.
YOU CAN SEE THE FISCAL TOOL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HAVING PAYMENTS OF ABOUT 530-535,000 PER YEAR, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE CASH FLOW.
THEY'RE ALL UTILITY PROJECTS, WATER AND SEWER UTILITY PROJECT, SO ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED AND SCHEDULED TO BE PAID FROM THE WATER AND SEWER, AS YOU MAY RECALL, RATE STUDY WAS DONE AND YOU'VE SET RATES TO ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASE TO COVER THIS COMFORTABLY.
THEN THE VERY LAST PAGE OF THIS, THE THIRD PAGE, IS THE YIELD STATISTICS.
IN THERE, YOU CAN SEE YOUR AVERAGE LIFE, THE AVERAGE COUPON, AND WHAT WE LOOK AT IS THE TRUE INTEREST COST IN THAT MIDDLE COLUMN, THE 4.17%.
THAT'S WHAT WE USE IN THE INDUSTRY AS WE COMPARE SALES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
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WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ACCEPT THE WINNING OF THE PRICING THAT WE GOT TODAY AND AWARD THE BONDS TO BOK FINANCIAL AND RAVEN JAMES.I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALSO HERE IS MR. JONATHAN FRELZ, YOUR BOND COUNSEL WITH BRACEWELL, AND AFTER TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO STEP OUT OF THE WAY, HE'S GOING TO GET EVERYTHING UP TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND GET US TO CLOSING, WHICH SHOULD HAPPEN ON NOVEMBER 25, IS THE DATE WE HAVE FORECLOSING, THE TUESDAY A FEW DAYS AHEAD OF THANKSGIVING, MONEY SHOULD BE IN YOUR BANK, AND WE'LL BRING THIS ONE TO A CLOSE.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE THAT THIS ONE HAS BEEN PENDING ON THE CALENDAR, SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET IT DONE AND HAVE WHAT I SEE AS VERY, VERY GOOD RESULTS.
I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, WHEN IT COMES TO BIDDERS, I THINK IN THE PAST, WE USED TO GET THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT BIDDERS.
IS THAT THE COMMON TREND THAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW, OR IT'S NOT SO MANY PLAYERS IN THE MARKET?
>> WE DID THIS SALE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
WE SAT DOWN WITH SUZY AND REVIEWED THE NUMBER OF FIRMS WHO HAVE BOUGHT YOUR BONDS IN THE PAST, NOT ONLY WHO BOUGHT THEM, BUT WHO BID ON YOUR DEALS BECAUSE WE EXPECTED THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A RATING RESULT THAT WE DID SO WE WANTED TO PUT A TEAM IN PLACE SO THAT WE COULD ANSWER ALL OF THEIR QUESTIONS AND BE SURE THAT THEY HAD A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH THEIR SALESMAN AND THE DOCUMENT AHEAD AND KNOW THEY WERE GOING TO GET THE BONDS AND COULD MARKET THEM AHEAD OF TIME.
WE PUBLISHED THE DOCUMENT ABOUT A WEEK AHEAD, LIKE WE USUALLY DO BUT WHAT WAS DIFFERENT IS THESE FOLKS KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO GET THE BONDS, SO THEIR SALES PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO WORK THE ISSUE AHEAD OF TIME.
WE WENT INTO PRE PRICING MONDAY WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR INDICATIONS OF INTEREST AND THEN PRICED TODAY, AND WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO LOWER THE YIELD A LITTLE BIT, A PROCESS THAT WORKED VERY, VERY WELL FOR US.
>> JUST ASKING, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE RESULT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF YOU'D GONE IN THE OPEN MARKET WITH IT.
>> THAT'S A REALLY HARD THING TO ANSWER BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS, IT'S A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
I WILL TELL YOU THIS, I HAVEN'T HAD A SALE WHERE IN A COMPETITIVE SITUATION, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE UNDERWRITER IS GOING TO BID TO PAY THEMSELVES.
WE DID THIS SALE AND THE UNDERWRITER'S TOTAL TOTAL COMPENSATION WAS LESS THAN $7 PER BOND.
I'VE HAD COMPETITIVE SALES GO OFF WHERE THEY PUT IN 19, $20 PER BOND.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES THAT WE GOT, IS YOU WERE ABLE TO KEEP THAT COST LOW.
NOW, COULD WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOWER RATE ON A COMPETITIVE BASIS? MAYBE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT LOOKING DEBT STRUCTURE.
ALL IN ALL, I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE PROCESS.
IN FACT, I WAS TALKING WITH JONATHAN BEFORE THE MEETING AND SAID, THIS ONE WENT SO WELL.
I'M A BIG FAN OF LET'S LINE EVERYBODY UP, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE BIDS.
I STILL LIKE THAT, BUT THIS WAS VERY SMOOTH, AND I'M JUST ECSTATIC THAT WE CAME OUT WITH A 417 AND FROM WHEN THEY FIRST GAVE US A SCALE AND SAID, THIS IS WHERE WE THINK WE ARE ON FRIDAY TO MONDAY GOING INTO PRICING, TO TODAY, WE ALWAYS WERE TAKING IT DOWN.
THEY WERE WORKING VERY HARD TO BE SURE THAT WE GOT THE BEST PRICING POSSIBLE.
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I'M PLEASED WITH EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS SALE.>> I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU ALL DO, SUZIE.
I KNOW THIS WAS A LOT TO BRING TOGETHER FOR THESE GUYS.
>> ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20251028-015.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PROTEM TOWNSEND, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANYTHING PARTICULAR IN YOUR MOTION? IS THAT GOOD? CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
>> YES. THANK YOU FOR WAITING.
GOING TO ITEM NUMBER 12 AGAIN.
[12. Discussion and possible action to award the 2024 Community Development Lift Station No. 24 Sanitary Sewer Collection System Rehabilitation Project to King Solution Services, LLC in the amount of $163,536.00 ]
DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO AWARD THE 2024 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT LIFT STATION NUMBER 24 SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM REHABILITATION PROJECT TO KING SOLUTIONS SERVICE, LLC, IN THE AMOUNT OF $163,536. HELLO, JOHN.>> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. ON OCTOBER 7TH, WE OPENED UP BIDS FOR THE LIFT STATION 24 PROJECT.
WE HAD RECEIVED SEVEN BIDS FOR THAT PROJECT.
WE DID GET SOME REALLY GOOD BIDS AGAIN.
THE LOW BIDDER WAS KING SOLUTIONS, WHO ACTUALLY WAS THE LOW BIDDER FOR LIFT STATION 8 REHABILITATION.
THEIR BID CAME IN AT THE AMOUNT OF $163,536.
THE AMOUNT OF FINES FOR THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY FROM CDBG IS $215,000. IT DID COME IN.
I ACTUALLY CALLED THEM FOR THE BID TO MAKE SURE I WAS GOOD.
THEY GAVE ME SOME BUDGET NUMBERS.
I USED THEIR BUDGET NUMBERS; THEY STILL BEAT THEIR BUDGET NUMBERS PRETTY HANDILY.
WE HAVE BEGUN CONVERSATIONS WITH CDBG.
HECTOR AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
WE'VE COORDINATED WITH THE CDBG.
WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY CHANGING AND CAPTURING THE REST OF THE MONEY IF IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE CITY, AND ADDING ANOTHER SECTION IN, WHICH WILL PUT US RIGHT AT THE $215,000.
>> CAN I ASK ONE THING? CAN YOU TELL THE CITIZENS WHERE LIFT STATION 24 IS LOCATED?
>> THAT IS OVER THERE BY PHILLIPS ROAD, OVER THERE IN THAT GENERAL FACILITY ON THE SOUTH.
>> YES. ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
>> THAT BE IN THE RECORD, PLEASE?
>> WITH THAT, WE WENT AHEAD AND CHECKED THE REFERENCES.
AGAIN, KING SOLUTIONS CAME BACK WITH SOME AMAZING REFERENCES.
ALL THEIR PREVIOUS CLIENTS SAID THEY'D HIRE THEM AGAIN.
WITH THAT, I RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY OF ANGLETON AWARD THE LIFT STATION 24 SANTA SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM REHABILITATION PROJECT TO KING SOLUTIONS SERVICE, LLC, FOR THE AMOUNT OF $163,536.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AWARD THE.
>> I JUST THINK IT'S AMAZING IF YOU LOOK AT JUST REAL QUICK COMMENT.
SORRY. KING SOLUTIONS AND PRECISION CONSTRUCTION.
>> A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
>> NOT EVEN. A COUPLE OF HUNDRED.
>> BENJAMIN ANYWAY. YES, MAKE YOUR MOTION.
>> THINKING CRAZY AFTER THE BEST PLACE, BUT YES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AWARD LIFT STATION 2040 KING SOLUTIONS.
>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, SECONDED BY MAYOR TOWNSEND, TO AWARD THE CONTRACT A KING SOLUTIONS SERVICES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?
>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE FUNDS IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
>> CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSING TO SIGNING.
MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 13.
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON
[13. Discussion and possible action on the proposed Texas Department of Transportation 288B Downtown Improvements. ]
THE PROPOSED TEXTDOT FOR THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, 288B, DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS.>> COUNSEL. PREVIOUSLY, THE CITY WAS AWARDED A GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT BETWEEN ORANGE STREET AND CEDAR STREET.
WE HAD PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED SOME PLANS FROM TEXTDOT.
WE MADE SOME COMMENTS AND WENT BACK AND ADJUSTED AND
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RESUBMITTED PRETTY MUCH A NEW SET OF PLANS FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, A 30% SUBMITTED TO US.I WENT AHEAD AND REVIEWED THEM.
I HAVE PROVIDED THAT FOR YOU ALL TO SEE.
I DON'T KNOW THE ONES THAT I'VE GIVEN THE CITY; THEY'RE HARD TO READ BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COLORED IN.
>> THAT PLAN SET UP THERE SHOULD BE IT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE MEANS.
IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT DOWN.
I THINK IT'S ON PAGE 30 SOMETHING.
ANYWAY, THIS SET OF PLANS CAME BACK, AND THEY WERE VERY, VERY GOOD [OVERLAPPING] AND THESE ACTUALLY HAVE MY COLORED MARKUPS.
THESE PLANS ACTUALLY CAME BACK AND WERE VERY GOOD.
I WENT IN THERE AND COLOR-CODED A LOT OF THAT, WHERE IT'S EASIER TO SEE FOR EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
THERE ARE A LOT OF BULB-OUTS AT THESE INTERSECTIONS TO BRING IN THE AREA TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR RESIDENTS AND PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS.
ALSO GIVES YOU SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME AMENITIES IN THE AREA.
THERE ARE EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
THEY ARE PUSHING THE CURVE LINE BACK INTO THE STREET, AND THERE ARE BIKE LANES ALL THE WAY DOWN, FIVE-FOOT BIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAD REQUESTED.
THAT IS PART OF THE DESIGN THAT WAS PART OF OUR SUBMITTAL.
WE HAVE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE IDENTIFYING, A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN POLES, PEDESTRIAN PATHS FOR LIGHTS WHERE PEOPLE CAN CROSS OVER THE INTERSECTIONS, NEW STREET SIGNS, NEW ILLUMINATIONS, AND NEW RAMPS.
THERE ARE SOME ELEVATION DIFFERENCES IN THERE, SO THEY'VE HAD TO REALLY THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX ON GETTING THOSE RAMPS TO WORK OUT WELL.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS RIGHT NOW; I BOG EVERYTHING DOWN, BUT IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT, I CAN WALK THEM.
I WALKED THE STAFF, MARTHA, HECTOR, LOOPY, AND EVERYONE THROUGH IT TODAY.
SLIDE BY SLIDE, INTERSECTION MINERS.
THEY THINK IT LOOKS VERY WELL.
I DO HAVE A BUNCH OF COMMENTS.
YOU CAN SEE MY COMMENTS ON THERE.
DID EVERYTHING FROM MEASURING THE LANGUAGE, MEASURING HOW FAR THEY'RE PUSHING THE SIDEWALKS IN, OR HOW WIDE THE SIDEWALKS ARE, HOW WIDE THE PAVEMENTS ARE INTO THE STREET, SO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS REQUESTED, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON SOME OF THESE BULB-OUTS, AND SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE LANDSCAPE AND PAPERS IN THERE.
DO ALL WANT TO PUT LANDSCAPING PAPERS IN THERE? YOU WANT TO PUT SOME CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD.
YOU WANT TO PUT ROCKS OR SOME FIRE PLANNING, IRRIGATION, WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT TO DO.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE LATER ON AS PART OF THE DESIGN.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
YOU'LL HAVE THIS. TAKE A LOOK AT. YOU WANT TO CALL ME.
I CAN WALK EVERYONE THROUGH ONE AT A TIME.
BUT I REALLY THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK OUT.
I'M GOING TO GET BETTER CLARIFICATION ON THE AWNINGS OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF MY BIGGEST QUESTIONS IS, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? ARE THEY GOING TO REMOVE THEM? ARE THEY GOING TO DO AROUND THEM? BUT THE SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT WAY.
IT IS THE RIGHT WAY, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING UNDERNEATH THOSE AWNINGS OR SOMETHING'S GOING TO GO ON.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE THEM, I THINK.
I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
>> THAT WAS THE QUESTION WE HAD LAST TIME.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PLACE FOR A BIKE PATH.
LOOP 274 IS THE PLACE FOR THE BIKE PATH.
>> I KNOW THAT WAS A CRITICAL THING FOR US GETTING THIS GRANT.
WAS A BIKE PATH TO MAKE IT MULTIMODAL.
WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, WE TALKED ABOUT PULLING IT OUT THERE LIKE, IF YOU WANT IT, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
>> BECAUSE ALONG THE SIDES OF LOT TIP 274 IS WHERE YOU SHOULD PUT THE BIKE PATH, NOT RIGHT HERE.
>> THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT WHEN WE ADDRESS THAT WE PUT A SUMDLE IN FOR THAT AS WELL.
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THERE ARE GOING TO BE BIKE PATHS, BUT THAT'S A MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS WELL.IT'S GOING TO HAVE EIGHT-FOOT-WIDE SHARED PATHS, BIKES, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF AS WELL.
BUT I THOUGHT THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO GO ON THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE MY OTHER QUESTION IS THE COST FOR ALL THESE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK.
WHERE IS THAT FUNDING COMING FROM? WHEN WE WERE NEGOTIATING WITH TEXTDOT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT I DID GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM, AND THEY DID STATE, AND I SHOWED EVERYBODY TODAY.
IT STATES THAT TEXTDOT OR THE STATE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OVERAGES.
I'M GOING TO VERIFY THAT THAT IS GOING TO INCLUDE THE DRAINAGE; THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE WORK.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU CHANGE THAT, YOU PUSH ALL THAT STUFF UP, IT CHANGES THE COMPLETE DRAINAGE PATTERN.
>> THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
>> THAT'S A QUESTION. AGAIN, WE JUST GOT THESE IN AND STARTED LOOKING AT THEM.
IF THE STATE IS ON THE HOOK FOR THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, WE'RE STUCK WITH THESE BIKE LANES THAT ARE THAT ARE TAKEN LANES OUT OF THE ROADWAY.
>> NO, I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE BIKE LANES.
>> FOR INSTANCE, JUST TO SHOW YOU ALL, AND WE'RE STUCK I DEFINITELY. RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A GIANT STRUCTURE HERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO DEFLECT EVERYTHING OUT.
THEY'RE GOING TO DEFLECT THE WHOLE DRAINAGE SYSTEM OUT, COME BACK IN, AND THE INLETS ARE ALL GOING TO BE RESET.
THEY'RE PUSHING THIS IN FOUR FEET, SO THE CURVE IS HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT IN FOUR FOOT, SO ALL THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA IS GOING TO CHANGE EVEN OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
GET THE DRAINAGE TO WORK OUT WELL WHEN THEY MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS.
NOW, I HAVE REVIEWED THE DRAINAGE.
I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER THAN JUST BRIEFLY GO THROUGH IT.
BUT I DID SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PART OF THAT GRANT AND WHAT'S ALL GOING TO BE INCLUDED.
BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPE PAVERS.
THERE'S SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE CALLED ROCKS OR LANDSCAPING ROCKS, FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALKS, NEW CURVE RAMPS, LIMITATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THIS IS ONLY A 30% SET OF PLANS.
>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE RAMPS AND HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE? YOU ALL ARE OKAY WITH WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN US?
>> I'LL WALK OUT FOR ONE THAT'S TO SHOW YOU HOW UNIQUE IT IS.
I'M GOING TO GRAB THIS CAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO SEE YOU GO DOWN THE COUPLE OF PAGES, GO DOWN TO WHAT IS THAT MAGNOLIA MERLE?
>> GO BACK UP THE PREVIOUS PAGES RIGHT THERE.
HERE'S THE BAR IS SOCIAL, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A HUGE SEPARATION DISTANCE.
I BELIEVE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY FELL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
>> HURT THEMSELVES, SO THE WAY THEY DID IT IS PRETTY SMART.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN HERE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET, COME IN TO GROUND LEVEL, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A RAMP UP.
HERE TO HERE TO A LEVEL SPOT IN THIS AREA.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME HERE, RAMP UP, RAMP UP, LEVEL AREA.
THERE'LL BE STEPS WHERE IF YOU'RE ABLE BODY, YOU CAN COME IN HERE AND GET RIGHT INTO THE ACCESS.
IF YOU'RE NOT, AGAIN, THE BULB OUT IS COMING SO FAR OUT THAT IT GIVES THEM ACCESS TO PUT A RAMP IN TO A LANDING SPOT BACK INTO FLAT AND COME BACK INTO THE AXIS.
NOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE SPECIAL NEEDS HAVE COMPLETE ACCESS TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
BUT IT'S REALLY UNIQUE HOW THEY HAD TO DO IT, WORKING WITH ELEVATIONS THAT WERE SET AND THE WAY IT WAS BUILT BACK THEN.
AGAIN, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS RIGHT HERE.
SHOWN AS LANDSCAPE PAVERS, THIS IS ELEVATED BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE A RETAINING WALL HERE, RETAINING WALL HERE WITH THE STEPS HERE, WHERE MAYBE INSTEAD OF PAVERS, MAYBE YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE SOME PLANNING OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING NICE TO MAKE THAT AREA LOOK NICE.
BUT I REALLY THINK FOR A 30% SET OF PLANS AND AS COMPLICATED, EXTREMELY COMPLICATED AS THIS PROJECT IS, THAT THIS IS A GREAT START FOR THE CITY.
>> THAT BIKE PATH THAT IS GOING TO KILL PARKING ALONG THE BUSINESSES.
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>> THERE IS NO STREET PARKING OUT THERE ON 288.
BUT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY COUNSEL AT THE TIME TO GET RID OF THE STREET PARKING ON 288 B, AND WE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS, TOWN HALL MEETINGS, WHERE THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE RESIDENTS' ATTENTION.
>> CURRENTLY, THERE ARE HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS?
>> YEAH. ON THE STREET, LIKE IN FRONT OF THE DEITY SOUTH.
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] HOW BIG OF VEHICLE.
>> HYPOTHETICALLY, HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE BIKE LANES?
>> IT'S A GRANT MOST LIKELY IN PERPETUITY.
>> I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT IF IT'S NOT.
>> LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. IF IT'S NOT ENFORCED, ARE THEY GOING TO COME RIP OUT THE ROAD AND THE DRAIN?
>> WELL, IT'S THEIR ROAD, SO THEY'RE GOING TO STRIKE IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT. THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T CHANGE.
>> IT'S NOT, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW.
I'M GETTING MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
I TALKED TO SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES WHO EXPRESSED SOME PEOPLE'S CONCERNS, BUT THEY'VE NEVER COME TO THE COUNCIL, AND THEY NEVER CAME TO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
I THINK WE HELD THREE PUBLIC OR TWO OR THREE.
>> BUT WE HELD SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT SPECIFICALLY WITH THE PART.
>> I THINK THE THING THAT INITIALLY GOT ME WAS LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FOUR LANES SOUTH OF 35 AND THAT THOSE FOUR LANES DOWN THAT ROAD DON'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE YOU'RE TYING INTO A TWO-LANE STREET WITH A TURN LANE.
>> MIGHT BE ALSO THE FUTURE, PROBABLY, COUNSEL, MUCH IN THE FUTURE, BUT MIGHT ALSO BE A REASON TO DO A COMPLETE JOB ON ARC.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RESTRICTING SOME TRAFFIC FLOW.
AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP PUSHING TRAFFIC ONTO OUR COLA AS MY POINT.
WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN SHENANGO, NOW NARROWING FEWER LANES ON.
>> LOOKING AT THIS AND HAVING A MOMENT TO DIGEST IT, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS PROJECT CHANGES ANYTHING FOR 288 B, REALLY.
YOU LOSE PROBABLY A DOZEN PARKING SPACES ACROSS FROM.
>> RIGHT THERE AND THEN, WHAT, PROBABLY EIGHT OR SO, EIGHT TO MAYBE 10.
>> DO YOU HAVE MEDIANS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS THING?
>> THEY'RE JUST CURBS, YOU ARE RIGHT.
>> THEY'RE STRIKING RIGHT NOW.
>> PLEASE SAY THEY'RE JUST STRIPPING.
>> DO NOT PUT THEM ON MEDIANS.
>> THEY DID KEEP THE REFUGE THAT'S THERE AT THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE, WHERE THEY GO FROM.
>> CROSSED WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE IT ACROSS.
A LITTLE REFUGE THERE, SO THAT'S STILL IN THERE.
THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR A 30% SET OF PLANS ON SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLICATED, I THINK THEY DID WHAT YOU'VE ASKED THEM TO DO.
>> CAN WE ASK THEM TO NOT PUT BIKE LANES IN THIS THING?
>> THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THE BIKE LANES.
THE LOOP 274 IS THE PLACE FOR THE BIKE LANES.
ROSE [INAUDIBLE]. HE'S BEEN THE MASTER PLAN.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO YOUR FUNDING?
>> BUT WE'RE OFFERING IT MOVE THEM TO 274, CHANGE 274.
>> IF WE GET FUNDING FOR 274, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
>> I WOULD JUST TELL THEM WHY WOULD IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO PUT BIKE LANES HERE AND PUT BIKE LANES ON ONE BLOCK OVER? ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THAT WILL CONNECT EVERYTHING TOGETHER?
>> I THOUGHT AT ONE TIME WE PUT IN FOR BOTH.
>> WE GOT THE ONE FROM DOWNTOWN.
>> JUST SAYING YOU CIRCLE BACK HERE, I DON'T KNOW.
HOW YOU PRESENT IT. I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK IT HURTS TO ASK ME OBVIOUSLY, THEY CAN TELL US [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE ONE WE FUNDING FOR RIGHT?
>> THE ONE WE DIDN'T GET FUNDING?
>> CORRECT. [OVERLAPPING] JUST SAY WE'RE RE APPROACHING ON THE ISSUE. THAT'S ALL.
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>> THEY CAN TELL US TO LEAVE IT, AND THAT'S FINE, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE.
>> THERE'S SOMETHING YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW HERE IS OUR MATCH AND SUZIE OVER HERE, IT'S WORTH ABOUT 1.2 MILLION IS OUR MATCH THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH.
>> THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME UPSET PEOPLE IF WE USE SUZIE'S PLAN.
BUT SHE COULD COME UP WITH IT, BUT ALL WILL HAVE TO APPROVE ALL THAT.
>> SUZIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME ENLIGHTEN COUNCIL? [BACKGROUND][NOISE]
EVENING. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT, AS WE BOTH KNOW, THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY IF WE COULD WORK ALL THE KINKS OUT.
WE HAVE THE KM BOND OR THE 2022 BOND AND THE 2018 BOND.
BOTH OF THOSE TWO BONDS ARE FOR STREET BONDS.
THE PARISH AND SILVER SADDLE BOND HAS ITS OWN MONEY, BUT WAS ALSO NEEDING MONEY FROM THE KM, THE 2024 BOND, THE 22 BOND.
NOW, I HAVE FUNDINGS FOR THE SILVER SADDLE ON PARISH STREET AND I HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER.
I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY. KNOW THAT NO MORE.
FOR ALL ABOUT 800,000 OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE ENGINEERING WAS ALREADY PAID, BUT IT'S NOT.
IT'S THE ENGINEERING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
I THOUGHT WE PAID ENGINEERING FOR THE SURVEY WE HAVE THE 500,000 THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE 22 BOND THAT IS FOR YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. I HAD THAT QUESTION.
>> I COULD USE THAT MONEY, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR ANY HICCUPS OR ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT MIGHT COME UP.
>> BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING OUT FOR A BOND.
>> WHEN IS THIS BILL EXPECTED TO COME DUE?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TIMELINE.
>> WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO LET THE PROJECT?
>> I BELIEVE THE PROJECT WILL BE LET SOMETIME NEXT YEAR.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, I'LL GET THAT DATE. I HAVE THAT DATE.
BUT IT WILL BE NEXT YEAR WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FAST.
>> JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE CLEAR, 2026.
ARE WE TALKING WE'RE ALREADY IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 WE'RE TALKING 2027?
>> I WANT TO SAY IT WAS SOMETIME AROUND JUNE OR JULY OF 26.
>> THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW. I'M JUST BEING CAREFUL.
WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING. THAT'S ALL.
>> I NEED TO VERIFY THAT. PLEASE DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
>> SUZIE, WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO THE STREET FUND AGAIN.
HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN THERE NOW?
>> YOUR STREET FUND DOES NOT HAVE ANY MONEY OTHER THAN THE TWO MILLION THAT WE'VE ALREADY DEDICATED FOR THE PARIS STREET.
THEN, OF COURSE, WE'VE DONE THE FIVE PERCENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO THE SALES TAX.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT.
>> WE DID THAT THIS YEAR AND WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT BECAUSE YOUR OCTOBER NOVEMBER SALES TAX OR FOR LAST YEAR.
>> HOW MUCH ARE WE ANTICIPATING THIS YEAR? PUTTING BACK?
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IF THIS IS A NEXT YEAR PROJECT, WE'LL STILL HAVE MONEY FROM SOME OF YOUR INTEREST COMING IN.
I HAVE MONEY FOR THE UTILITY PORTION THAT WE DO HAVE, BUT IT WAS THE MATCH PORTION THAT I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING THE GRANT, THERE'S NO SENSE IN DOING THE UTILITY PORTION OF IT UNLESS YOU WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
>> THEN THERE'S THE UNKNOWN CHUNK OF WHO'S GOING TO COVER THE DRAINAGE SINCE THEY'RE MOVING IT?
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T I KNOW IF WE'RE READY TO GO FORWARD WITH THE COMMITMENT RIGHT NOW.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED BY TXDOT.
ONE THAT'S A BIG BIG QUESTION.
TWO YOUR COST OVERRUNS ON THE UTILITIES AND THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
WE NEED THOSE ANSWER BEFORE WE CAN COMMIT AND BIKE LANES.
>> I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE WERE ASKING IS, I CAN GIVE THE COMMENTS BACK BECAUSE THIS IS 30%.
YOU'VE ALREADY PAID MONEY TO GET THE DESIGN DONE, RIGHT? SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING WITH THIS.
WHAT I WAS WANTING TO KNOW WAS, DO WE WANT TO GO BECAUSE I'M READY TO GO TO BID ON THE UTILITY PROJECT AND LIKE SUZIE SAID, WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO BID ON THE UTILITY PROJECT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS PROJECT.
THE MORE WE PUSH IT BACK, THE CLOSER WE'RE GOING TO BE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTRACTORS LAPPING OVER.
LET ME GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THIS BACK.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE ALL WERE OKAY WITH ME SUBMITTING MY QUESTIONS BACK WITH MY MARKUPS.
YOU CAN SEE I GOT QUESTIONS ALL OVER.
>> I LIKE THE BALL BURBS, THE CUTOUTS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME SAFETY FEATURES THERE.
I THINK IN THE LONG RUN IT WILL LOOK GOOD.
IDEALLY, I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR THE BIKE LANES, BUT IF WE CAN IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THE UTILITY ISSUES, AND THE LONG TERM OF THE CITY.
I'M SURE WE'LL GET SOME HEAT, AND PEOPLE WILL SAY THAT I REMEMBER WHEN AND HOW GREAT IT WAS.
BUT IT WILL FOR THE LONG TERM BETTERMENT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF IT CAN ANYTIME ADDRESS DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES, THEN THAT'S THOSE ARE BIG ISSUES.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE AESTHETICS, IT'S REAL.
>> IT'S NOT SO MUCH DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS IMPROVING THE DRAINAGE.
IT'S JUST MODIFYING THE EXISTING DRAINAGE.
>> TO MAKE WHATEVER, MAKING IT WORK A LITTLE MORE.
>> MORE EFFICIENT. THE BETTER WORD. THANK YOU.
>> BUT I CAN MOVE FORWARD. LET ME DO THIS.
WE CAN RESPOND BACK WITH SOME THINGS.
I'LL NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION.
WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN.
WE WON'T TAKE THE UTILITY PROJECT DOWN RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL BE ON HOLD RIGHT NOW FOR IT.
WE ARE TAKING PHASE 3 STREET BONDS OUT NEXT WEEK.
JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A HEADS UP.
BASED OFF THE DISCUSSIONS OF KEEPING IT THE SAME. MILLING OVERLAY.
WE'VE INCREASED THE MILLING OVERLAY ALL THE WAY DOWN SILVER SADDLE NOW.
REDUCE THAT PORTION. WE'VE GOT ALL THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT, THERE'S NO ACTION.
I JUST GOT DICTION FROM YOU ALL.
I'LL GIVE YOU MY COMMENTS, HOPEFULLY GET SOMETHING BACK REPORT BACK TO A.
WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN.
>> ITEM 14, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON
[14. Discussion and possible action on a water tank maintenance contract with Utility Service Co., Inc. ]
A WATER TANK MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH UTILITY SERVICE COMPANY LINK.>> GOOD EVENING THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AGAIN.
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS FOR A POTENTIAL MAINTENANCE CONTRACT FOR A NORTHSIDE TOWER.
PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BEFORE, NORTHSIDE TOWERS IN NEED OF REHAB HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
IN EXPLORING THIS WITH USG, THERE'S A PRETTY UNIQUE WAY THEY HAVE OF FUNDING THIS.
THEY'RE ABLE TO SPREAD THAT COST OUT FOR US, ALONG WITH THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT, TO WHERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, YEAR ONE $30,000, YEARS 2,3 AND 495,642.
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THEN THE ACTUAL ANNUAL FEE AFTER THAT FOR THE CONTRACT YEAR 5 IS 22,000, WHICH IS THE JUST THE ANNUAL CONTRACT FEE IN GENERAL, JUST FOR THE MAINTENANCE FEE OF THE TANK ITSELF.NOW PRIOR HISTORY, WHEN WE LOOK AT, LIKE, A SHENANGO TANK.
WE HAD COMPLETELY REBUILD THAT TANK ON, AN EMERGENCY NOTE TYPE BASIS.
THAT'S BECAUSE PROPER MAINTENANCE WASN'T DONE ON THAT TANK.
JUST TRYING TO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.
I KIND OF IT WAS A SPREADSHEET I GOT BROKEN UP.
BUT INITIALLY, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE IS THAT AND RECENTLY, WHAT WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH IS KEEPING A CHLORINE RESIDUAL IN THAT TANK LONG TERM, WHICH TYPICALLY YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF STRATIFICATION IN THAT TANK, AND POSSIBLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE COATINGS ARE ON THE INTERIOR, STARTING TO EAT AWAY SOME OF THAT CHLORINE RESIDUALS THE WATER SITS IN THERE.
SINCE JULY ALL THE WAY TO OCTOBER, WE'VE HAD TO DRAIN THE TANK NUMEROUS TIMES, FOR A TOTAL OF 12,367,000 GALLONS OF WATER, WE WASTED DRAINING THAT TANK.
TO PUT THAT IN COST JUST FOR BWA COSTS, RIGHT AS PURCHASING THAT WATER.
IT'S $56,000 WORTH OF WATER THAT WE'VE PURCHASED AND ESSENTIALLY DUMPED ON THE GROUND BECAUSE THAT TOWER IS HAVING ISSUES.
NOW, PART OF THIS IS JUST ENTERING A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH IT, BUT ALSO ON THE BACK END OF IT, WE'RE GETTING INTO MIXER INSTALLED, WHICH THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THAT PROBLEM SIGNIFICANTLY.
IT'S GOING TO KEEP THAT WATER MOVING.
ALSO IN THE NEAR FUTURE WHEN THIS TANK GETS REHABILITATED, THAT'LL SOLVE THE CODING ISSUES ON THE INSIDE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE IT OUT OF JUST OUR UTILITY REVENUE, OR OUR OPERATING BUDGET, TALKING WITH SUZIE.
IT'S FEASIBLE FOR US TO DO THAT.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR APPROVAL ON THAT.
I'LL EXPLAIN ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TANK.
MICHAEL WITH USG IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT, THEIR PROGRAM, HOW THEY DO THINGS, TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
>> HECTOR, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU TELL THEM ALSO THAT EVENTUALLY, THIS GOES TO PAY FOR THE TOTAL REHAB OF THE TANK?
>> IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME, SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THIS QUICK. [LAUGHTER].
>> USG HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1963, SO JUST LET YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HERE IN A WHILE.
USG STARTED BACK IN PERRY, GEORGIA.
OUR MAIN OFFICE IS STILL IN PERRY GEORGIA.
WE HAVE A TEXAS FACILITY CENTER IN TOMBALL, TEXAS, AN HOUR AND A HALF NORTH OF HERE, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH TOMBALL IS AT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ASSISTED HECTOR PRETTY QUICKLY.
I THINK WE RESPONDED WITHIN 24 OR 36 HOURS TO DO A WASHOUT ON THE NORTH ELEVATED TANK.
WE HAVE A QUICK RESPONSE TIME.
PART OF THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM IS WE'RE GOING TO SPREAD THE COST TO HELP.
BUDGETS ARE TIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE HELP A LOT OF SMALLER CITIES.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THAT 30,000 IS BASICALLY GOING TO HELP US SECURE PERMITS.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE PERMITTING FOR TCEQ.
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT ALL PERMITS.
WE'RE GOING TO ORDER THE MIXER.
AS SOON AS WE GET THE PERMIT BACK FROM TCEQ, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ORDER THE MIXER.
AT $30,000 SECURING ALL THAT, AND IT'S ALSO SECURING YOUR PRICING, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PRICING GOING UP TO PUT PUSH THE RENOVATION UP, SO WE'RE SECURING PRICING FOR YOU.
I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT THE MIXER COSTS WELL OVER $30,000.
WE ARE DOING THIS TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT.
THEN THE SECOND YEAR FEE WOULD BE ON ANNIVERSARY DATE.
IF WE SIGN TODAY, NEXT YEAR, THAT WOULD BE THE 90 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLAR. THAT'S ALL.
YOUR TANK WILL BE REHABBED OR SHOULD BE REHABBED BEFORE THAT PAYMENT IS MADE.
AS SOON AS WE GET BERMANTON FOR THE RENOVATION ON THAT TANK, I'VE ALREADY SPOKE WITH MY CREW.
WE HAVE A CREW AVAILABLE. WE'RE GOING TO MOBILIZE.
WE MIGHT GET YOUR TANK DONE AS EARLY AS JUNE.
THAT'S HOW WE WORK. ALSO, STATE INSPECTIONS FOR TCEQ ARE INCLUDED WITH THE PROGRAM.
WE TAKE CARE OF YOUR YEARLY INSPECTIONS FOR TCEQ.
>> WE DO BIANNUAL WASHOUTS, SO IT'S GOING TO HELP YOU WITH WATER QUALITY, KEEP SALMONELLA OUT, KEEP THE INTERIOR OF THE TANK CLEAN.
WE'RE ALSO INSPECTING THE MIXTURE EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE IT'S OPERATING PROPERLY.
IF THE MIXER EVER GOES DOWN, WE WILL REPLACE IT AT OUR COST, NOT YOURS.
THAT'S WHAT THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM DOES.
BASICALLY, WE'RE GIVING YOU A LIFETIME PLUNGER ON THE PROGRAM.
YOU HAVE A LIFETIME GUARANTEE ON YOUR COATINGS AND ON YOUR MIXER.
THAT COST ALSO COVERS EMERGENCY SERVICES.
IF SOMEONE SHOOTS THE TANK, CLIMBS IT, AND PUTS THEIR SISTER'S NAME ON THE TANK, WE'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND FIX IT AT NO COST.
ALSO, IT COVERS ALL YOUR FUTURE RENOVATIONS.
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BASICALLY, YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR FUTURE RENOVATIONS ON A RAILWAY PROGRAM.YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO SPEND $300,000 ON A RENOVATION; YOU'RE SPREADING THAT COST OUT.
I WILL TELL YOU UPFRONT, AND YOUR LEGAL, I BELIEVE, HAS ALREADY LOOKED AT THE DRAFT.
WE HAVE ONE CHANGE TO MAKE, AND WE ARE GOING TO DO SO.
BUT THERE CAN BE UP TO A 5% INCREASE TO HELP WITH INFLATION, SO I'M NOT GOING TO HIDE THAT FROM YOU GUYS.
BUT THE OTHER BEST PART ABOUT IT IS, IF YOU DECIDE THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM IS NOT FOR YOU, CANCEL IT.
YOU'RE NOT LOCKED IN, SO YOU CAN CANCEL THE CONTRACT AT ANY TIME.
THE ONLY STIPULATION IN THERE IS IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL, 90 DAYS BEFORE THE ANNIVERSARY DATE.
THAT'S ALL THERE IS. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> FOR THE 5% INCREASE, WHICH ANNUAL FEE WILL THAT BE?
>> WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR OTHER IN OUR AREA, LOCAL CUSTOMERS? DO YOU HAVE ANY BRAZORIA COUNTY?
I JUST HAD A MEETING WITH CLUE TODAY, AND WE'RE SIGNING TWO TANKS OF CLUE.
AS OF THE END OF NEXT MONTH, I WILL BE A LOCAL RESIDENT OUT HERE.
WE WANT YOU. WE WANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> [LAUGHTER] YEAH, VERY GOOD.
>> I DO COME HERE AND I DO LIKE HARRY STYLES.
I DO SPEND SOME MONEY OUT HERE.
>> OVERALL, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. IF YOU NEED REFERENCES, I CAN GET THEM FOR YOU THE WORK [INAUDIBLE] SO THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN ONE I GET YOU A PIECE.
HE LOVES US. HE MATTER OF FACT, HE ACTUALLY SHOPPED US A FEW YEARS AGO, JUST TO MAKE SURE HE'S GETTING THE BEST DEAL AND HE SAID HE COULDN'T GET ANYBODY IN TOUCH WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
LONGER YOU'RE ON THE PROGRAM, THE MORE MONEY YOU SAVE.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> I WOULD JUST ADD WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THAT CHANGE IS MADE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WITH THE STIPULATION. THAT'S FINE.
ALL STIPULATIONS APPROVED OF THE LEGAL COUNSEL.
>> MOTION BY MAYOR TIM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, FOR APPROVAL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?
>> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK?
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO EXPAND TO ALL TANKS BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER GROUND STORAGE TANK THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEED SOON, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I'LL KIND OF TRY TO BRING BACK EVERY YEAR, EVERY YEAR, JUST TO TRY TO EXPAND ON THIS JUST TO GET EVERY TANK IN TOWN INVOLVED IN.
>> ARE YOU REFERRING TO HENDERSON OR JAMISON?
>> JAMISON IS THE NEXT ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, YES.
>> MAYBE THERE'S, LIKE, YOU KNOW, VOLUME PRICING.
>> OKAY. ONE THING TO JUST LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
WE'RE COASTAL OUT HERE. WE'RE CLOSE TO THE COAST.
WE'RE TAKING FULL RESPONSIBILITY.
ESSENTIALLY, THE EXTERIOR TANK IS GOING TO GET RECOATED ROUGHLY EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET IT GET TO ANY KIND OF A FAILURE POINT.
ALSO BUILT IN THIS CONTRACT, WE'RE INCLUDING YOUR NEW LOGO, UPDATING A LOGO ON THE TANK.
WE HAVE SOME REPAIRS. WE HAVE SOME SANITARY ISSUES LIKE VENT, OVERFLOW FLAPPERS, OR WE'RE TAKING CARE OF SANITARY ISSUES, THE CONCRETE SLAB ON THE OVERFLOW.
WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE NECESSARY REPAIRS, MAKING SURE IT'S MEETING PCQ AND AWA STANDARDS.
ALSO THE BIGGEST THING IS THE SAFETY FOR OUR GUYS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THAT TANK EVERY YEAR.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TANKS SAFE FOR OUR GUYS.
WE HAVE ISO 9,001 WITH OUR COMPANY.
WE HANG OUR HEAD VERY HEAVILY ON THAT.
WE HAVE OVER 1 MILLION HALF-MAN HOURS WORKED RIGHT NOW WITH ZERO INJURIES.
>> VERY NICE. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND FOR APPROVAL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE POSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.
>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. STAY UP [INAUDIBLE]
>> DON'T TELL ME YOU'RE MOVING, LA JACKSON.
>> WELL, YOU TAKE THAT HAVE A GOOD MAYOR, TOO.
>> YEAH. AT NUMBER 16, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20251028-016,
[16. Discussion and possible action to approve Resolution No. 20251028-016 designating a representative and alternate to the Houston-Galveston Area Council 2026 General Assembly. ]
DESIGNATING A REPRESENTATIVE AND ALTERNATE TO THE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL 2026 GENERAL ASSEMBLY.[LAUGHTER] NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE THIS ONE.
>> MAYBE WE CAN LIST IT TO A POINT, MAYOR AND MAYOR MORTE
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>> SINCE SHE NOMINATED YOU, YOU WANT TO NOMINATE HER.
>> I WAS GOING TO LET SOMEBODY VOLUNTEER.
I'M NOT GOING TO THROW SOMEBODY UNDER THE BUS.
>> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER?
>> I'LL DO IT. BUT SAY SHE IS IN.
>> TWO MEETINGS A YEAR, TYPICALLY.
>> YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE].
>> YOU MADE A MOTION. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE IT?
>> YOU WILL AMEND IT TO MAYOR AND.
>> COUNCIL LAZARY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL, BY COUNCILMAN SMITH FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN SARTON AS THE APPOINTEES TO HGAC.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE WHO OPPOSE SAME SIGN.
WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
NOW WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE STARTED,
[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
[BACKGROUND] GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 551 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED THEREIN.
ITEM NUMBER 17, DELIBERATE REGARDING SECURITY DEVICES OR SECURITY AUDITS, THE DEPLOYMENT OR SPECIFIC OCCASIONS FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF SECURITY PERSONNEL OR DEVICES PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.076 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
ITEM NUMBER 18, CONSULTATION OF ATTORNEY, PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
AT NUMBER 19 DISCUSSION OF DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.087 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE.
COUNCIL WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:05.
WE'RE COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 10:20 FOR ITEM NUMBER.
[OPEN SESSION]
WELL, COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY ACTION YOU WANT TO TAKE ON ITEM 17, 18 OR 19?>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO INITIATE THE TERMINATION CLAUSE FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROJECT WITH SNYDER ELECTRIC.
>> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH.
FOR ITEM I'M GOING TO SAY THIS IS 19. NO. 17.
>> IF YOU GUESS ONE MORE TIME.
>> OKAY. YEAH. ITEM NUMBER 18.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
NOW WE WILL GO ON TO COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
[COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL]
>> YES. MY REAL QUICK, WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT IT ANYWAY.
UPDATE ON THE FIRE, THE MONEY THAT HAD BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THAT PROJECT AND WHERE WE HEADED ON THAT.
IF YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK NEXT ITEM FOR NEXT MEETING, JUST AN UPDATE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY SAY THEY DON'T NEED TO BASE AT STATION THREE.
WE TALKED TO SUZIE AND THEY SAID THAT [NOISE] IT COULD BE FOR MAINTENANCE.
LAST I HEARD FROM THE FIRE CHIEF, THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE IT TO THEIR MEMBERSHIP AND SEE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT?
>> THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS THAT WHEN I TALKED TO NEIL CHIEF ABOUT IT.
HE EXPRESSED THAT TO ME THAT THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE MEMBERS, BUT THAT THEY HAD NOT VOTED ON IT.
BUT I BROUGHT UP TO HIM THAT THEY HAD ALREADY PRESENTED.
SCOTTY PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WHEN IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO THE PROJECT, THAT THEY HAD THIS VERY EXPENSIVE APPARATUS THAT WE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THE WEATHER THAT'S COMING, AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE REMEDIED? BEFORE THE DEAL IS TOTALLY SCRAPPED, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE LONG-RANGE PLAN FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE FOUND AN ALTERNATIVE TO GET IT UNDER BUDGET BY DOING VALUE ENGINEERING IT WITH JUST THE METAL BUILDING AND NOT JUST TAKING THE CHEAPER ROUTE.
I THINK THAT WE CAN PROBABLY MAKE THAT WORK.
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BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY, AS CHIEF, SAID THAT THEY'VE TAKEN A FIRM VOTE.WHEN NEIL CAME TO VISIT WITH ME LAST WEEK.
HE WAS SAYING, OKAY, WELL, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT, WE NEED TO GO BACK OUT FOR THE DO THE RFP WITH STRIP DOWN BARE BONES METAL BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> REMEMBER NOW THAT DOWNTOWN PROJECT IS HERE THAT SUZIE IS COUNTING ON THAT MONEY AS WELL.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I GUESS WE NEED TO KNOW FURTHER CLARITY FROM THEM ON WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING.
>> I'LL GIVE IT TO THE FIRE CHIEF.
>> YEAH. WHAT CHIEF IS SAYING, IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT HE WAS SAYING HE THINKS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS TIME HAS PROGRESSED, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AS IT WAS AT ONE TIME.
>> SO THEY WANT SOMETHING ELSE?
>> GENERATORS, MAINTENANCE AT THE BUILDINGS, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
SUZIE HAD SAID THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN.
>> WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE BOND LANGUAGE WAS.
>> SHE GOT WITH JOE MORROW AND HE DID EXPLAIN TO HER THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN AS LONG AS IT'S FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> OKAY. WELL, THAT'S GOOD. [NOISE]
>> ANYBODY ELSE? I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.
I FEEL LIKE TONIGHT, I'M SEEING PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD A LOT FASTER.
I'M HEARING ABOUT SERVICE LEVELS INCREASING AND IMPROVING.
IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE AND HERE.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THE GRADE ALL GETS IMPLEMENTED AND STARTS RUNNING AND [BACKGROUND] SUSAN SITHERS YOUR DITCH IS GETTING DONE [LAUGHTER], AND I'M GLAD WE HAD BARTER HERE TONIGHT, AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GET ABIGAIL'S PARK MOVING FASTER.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE MOVING FASTER NOW, AND THAT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY, I HOPE EVERYONE IS SAFE ON HALLOWEEN AND THE WILDCATS BEAT LAPORTE ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
>> MAYOR, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK?
>> ONLY [INAUDIBLE] HERE. [LAUGHTER] GO AHEAD, SIR.
>> I JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACEBOOK POST ABOUT THE MOVIE COMPANY THAT CAME TO TOWN.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT WE DEALT WITH THAT COMPANY FOR A FEW WEEKS.
IT'S MY EMERGENCY, BUT WE WENT THROUGH IT.
WE ASKED THEM TO THEY COULD GET LOCAL CATERING, BUT ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE IS, THEY BROUGHT 150 PEOPLE TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON.
NOW, PEOPLE LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO.
WE LIVE WHERE WE LIVE CAUSE WE CAN AFFORD TO.
THEY COMPENSATED THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED BY THEIR FILMING.
THEY'RE FILMING A COMMERCIAL FOR LIFELINE.
THEY COMPENSATED THEM WITH $100 WALMART GIFT CARDS, WHICH THEY WENT TO WALMART, I'M SURE AND SPENT IN.
THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT BUCKIES.
WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH A LITTLE BUCKIES? YOU KNOW, THEY WORKED WELL WITH US? A LOCAL CHURCH WAS COMPENSATED.
A LOCAL BUSINESS THAT FLYING SERVICE WAS COMPENSATED.
THEY BROUGHT MONEY TO THIS CITY.
THEY SAID THIS ABOUT OUR CITIZENS.
THEY HAVE NEVER WORKED IN A CITY WHERE THE CITIZENS WERE SO NICE TO THEM.
ONE LADY WAS LIKE, THIS LADY OFFERED TO ME COFFEE.
WHERE THEY FROM MARTHA, CALIFORNIA OR SOMETHING?
>> I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS CITY OPENED THEIR ARMS UP.
THESE PEOPLE SAID THEY'RE COMING BACK TO THIS CITY BECAUSE OF WHO ANGLETON IS, WHO THE CITIZENS ARE.
THEY BROUGHT MONEY HERE. WHATEVER THE FACEBOOK POST SAID ABOUT WHATEVER THE NEGATIVITY WAS, IT WAS A POSITIVE THING FOR THIS CITY.
THANK YOU TO MARTHA AND EVERYBODY WHO HELP WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS.
>> THAT SOCIAL MEDIA POST GOT 159,000 VIEWS.
>> YES. YOU'LL NOTICE ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE PEOPLE FROM THE PRODUCTION COMPANY WERE COMMENTING WHEN PEOPLE WERE BEING SO UGLY, AND THEY WERE SAYING, THAT WAS NOT OUR EXPERIENCE AT ALL.
WE HAD SUCH A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THE FIREFIGHTERS,
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SOME OF THE EMS FOLKS, AND SOME OF THE POLICE OFFICERS IN THAT COMMERCIAL.I MEAN, THEY WERE OUT THERE, THEY WERE PUT MAKEUP AND STUFF ON THEM, EVEN PAROL GOODMAN'S BALL HEAD HAD TO GET SOME.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THEM IN THAT COMMERCIAL.
>> RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. WE WILL ADJOURN AT 10:28:43 SECONDS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.