>> READY. IT IS 6:00. [DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER ] [00:00:04] WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. WE HAVE A FULL QUORUM PRESENT. I'D ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND THEN REMAIN STANDING, PASTOR BRIAN VAN DOREN FROM THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. PLEASE [INAUDIBLE]. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> LET'S GO TO LORD AND PRAYER. LORD, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT FOR THIS MEETING, GOD, WE COME TO YOU TO ASK FOR YOUR BLESSING. LORD, WE ARE YOUR CREATURES MADE IN YOUR IMAGE WITH A VERY GREAT AMOUNT OF POTENCY. BECAUSE YOU'VE GIVEN THAT TO US. BUT LORD, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE DEPENDENT ON YOU, AND WE REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND TO KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD. LORD I ASK THAT AS THIS MEETING IS CONDUCTED, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THAT WISDOM, THAT YOU WOULD LEAD AND GUIDE AND THAT YOU WOULD WORK IN PEOPLE'S HEARTS, THAT AS WE DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WORK IN OUR HEARTS SO THAT WE WOULD SEEK THE GOOD OF ALL AND THAT WE WOULD SEEK YOUR WILL ABOVE ALL. LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH EVERYONE WHO IS LEADING THIS MEETING, AND BE WITH EVERYONE WHO IS INVOLVED IN IT, ASK YOUR BLESSING OVER IT IN CHRIST'S NAME. AMEN. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT WAS PASTOR BRIAN VANDER FROM SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE. >> DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO THIS CITY COUNCIL? >> NO. >> MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] ITEM NUMBER 1, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF JULY 8TH, 2025, JULY 22ND, 2025, AUGUST 12TH, 2025, AUGUST 26TH, 2025, SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025, AND SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2025. THE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025, AND THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF OCTOBER 14TH, 2025. ITEM NUMBER 2, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH MISSOURI COUNTY FOR THE SELECTED STREET OVERLAYS. ITEM NUMBER 3, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON KEEPING ANGLETON BEAUTIFUL, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, TRAFFIC CONTROLLER CABINET WRAP ART RECOMMENDATIONS, AND AUTHORIZE THE ACTING CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ARTIST AGREEMENTS AFTER TEXT OUT APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER 4, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BRAZORIA COUNTY EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER 3 FOR FIRE PROTECTION, FIRE SUPPRESSION, AND RESCUE SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 5, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20251209-005, DECLARING PROPERTY SALVAGE AND AUTHORIZING THE LIQUIDATION AND OR DISPOSAL OF CITY OWNED VEHICLE SALVAGE PROPERTY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. COUNSEL? >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH. TO APPROVE ALL ITEMS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION ITEMS. [6. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action to approve Ordinance No. 2025112-008, zoning approximately 26.084 acres out of 41.876 acres to Commercial General (C-G)/Specific Use Permit (SUP) Overlay, Texas New Mexico Power (TNMP) and CenterPoint Substations, for property located adjacent and north of 3343 E. Mulberry Street/ Highway 35, Angleton, TX 77515, providing a severability clause; providing for a penalty; and providing for repeal and effective date, and findings of fact. (Tabled 11/12/25). ] ITEM NUMBER 6, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025112-008, ZONING APPROXIMATELY 26.084 ACRES OUT OF 41.876 ACRES TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OVERLAY, TEXAS, NEW MEXICO POWER, AND CENTERPOINT SUBSTATIONS, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ADJACENT AND NORTH OF 3343 EAST MABERY STREET ON HIGHWAY 35 AND ANGLES, TEXAS 77515, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING FOR A REPEAL AND EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FINDINGS OF FACT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THIS ITEM, AS YOU KNOW, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IT WAS ACTUALLY TABLED IN YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING FOR THE PURPOSES OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED REGARDING THE SUBSTATION FOR TNMP AND CENTERPOINT LOCATED ON HIGHWAY 305-30-3403 ADJACENT TO THAT ADDRESS. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS RAISED, AND YOU CAN FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY OF THE SUBSTATION TO THE ACTUAL ACTIVITY OF THE SUBSTATION. FUNCTIONING, AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME PROXIMITY TO THE WINDROWS RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS RAISED AS IT RELATES TO PROXIMITY AND DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST HOME. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHAT I DID WAS, I WAS ABLE TO CAPTURE THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR BOTH SUBSTATIONS. [00:05:05] AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DETENTION POND WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF BOTH SUBSTATIONS, SO THE CLOSEST, OF COURSE, DISTANCE WOULD BE CLOSE TO 500 FOR THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS TNMP. CENTERPOINT WAS 657' FROM THAT BOUNDARY IN TERMS OF THE FENCE LINE. THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME IDEA IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY OF THE SUBSTATION. I MADE THE APPLICANTS AWARE THAT THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS RAISED AND THEY AGREED TO BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE SUBSTATIONS IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL NOISE SPILL OFF. I THINK WE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF LIGHT SPILL OFF IN TERMS OF FOOT CANDLES. I HAVE THE ORDINANCE UPDATED TO REFLECT BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS AS WE DISCUSSED THOSE TONIGHT, BUT IF THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU [NOISE] CAN VIEW AS A CONDITION OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED. WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL YIELD AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN. >> WE DID CLOSE IT. >> WE DID CLOSE IT. THEN WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COUNSEL. CLEARLY, THIS IS A REZONING TO CLEAN UP WHAT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. THE SUBSTATIONS WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS AN SUP, BUT THIS WOULD BRING THE REAR ACREAGE INTO THE CITY WITH THE ZONING APPLIED. THIS WOULD MAKE IT PARALLEL TO WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE CITY LIMITS ALONG THE FRONTAGE BY MAKING THE SUP OVERLAY SUBJECT TO THE REZONING OF IT BEING COMMERCIAL GENERAL WITH THAT SUP OVERLAY. >> MAKE MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. >> SECOND. HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THE OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW IN A PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST THIS ITEM? IT'S IN THE AUDIENCE. PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION. GOING TWICE? >> SEEING NO ONE. I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. [NOISE] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. WE ARE NOW OUT OF PUBLIC HEARING. COUNSEL, WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. >> GIVE ME A MINUTE. >> I'M MICHAEL BRYAN TNMP. YOU ASK SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE I'M ENGINEERING MANAGER AT TNMP FOR THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT TEAM. [NOISE] DAVID GRIFFITH, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT. PLEASE TURN IT ON. >> IT'S ON WELL ISH NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. SORRY. WE HAD SOME MORE QUESTIONS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD IT BEFORE WE TOOK A VOTE ON IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT ISSUES WITH ANOTHER AREA THAT'S HAS A SUBSTATION AND NOISE ISSUES SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT ELECTRICAL LINES, I THINK WE ALL GET A LITTLE NERVOUS UP HERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A NEW SUBDIVISION GOING IN RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE GOING IN AT THE SAME TIME SO THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG, YOU'RE BOTH THERE FIRST. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS ABOUT SOUND BARRIERS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ENSURE THAT THE NOISE IS MINIMAL OVER THERE? >> IT'S A SUBSTATION, AND THE ONLY NOISE THAT WOULD COME OUT OF IT IS THE TRANSFORMERS, AND THE TRANSFORMERS MADE NOISE AND THE FANS ARE ON. OUR STANDARD IT'S JUST THE TYPICAL METAL FENCE. THERE IS AS OUR TARIFF STATES FOR STANDARDIZING STATIONS, IT'S JUST THAT STANDARD FENCE. >> DOES THE NOISE FLUCTUATE DEPENDING ON THE SEASON, DEPENDING ON THE TEMPERATURE? >> WHEN IT'S HOT, THE PINS TEND TO RUN TO KEEP THE OIL AND THE TRANSFORMERS COOL. THAT'S CORRECT. >> DO THEY RUN 24 HOURS WHEN IT'S HOT? OR JUST PEAK TIMES. >> NOT 24/7. YES, PEAK TIMES AND HEAT OF THE DAY, SO IT COULD BE HOTTEST PART OF THE DAY, ALSO, WHEN PEOPLE GET HOME TURNING ON THE SWITCHES FOR POWER DEMAND. YES, MA'AM. >> IT'S TYING BACK INTO THAT LINE. THE BIG POLE. THE BIG LINE THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. >> THE CENTERPOINT STATION IS CUTTING INTO THAT EXISTING TRANSMISSION LINES THERE WITH THE TOWERS. TNMP IS BEING FED BY CENTERPOINT STATION. WE'RE NOT TNMP IS NOT CUTTING THE LINE. CENTERPOINT IS CUTTING THE LINE. BUT WE'RE ALL NEXT TO EACH OTHER. [00:10:05] >> YOUR TRANSMISSION LINES, DO YOU HAVE, LIKE A STANDARD VOLUME OR SOUND LEVEL? THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED. I KNOW YOU SAY THERE'S P TIMES AND FLUCTUATIONS, BUT IS THERE A STANDARD THAT'S ACCEPTED WITHIN TNMP? >> NO, SIR. FOR THE MOST PART, YOU WON'T HEAR IT UNLESS YOU'RE UP UNDER IT. THOSE ARE PEAK EVENTS WHERE YOU CAN HEAR MORE OF A DRAW ON IT. YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE WEATHER LIKE? IS IT DAMP? YOU MIGHT HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE. BEING OFF A 35, YOU'LL HEAR MORE OF THE ROAD NOISE THAN YOU WILL, THE STATION OR THE TRANSMISSION. >> ANY OF LOCATIONS NOT AT OUR LOCATION, BUT HAVE YOU ALL EVER HAD TO REMEDIATE SOUND OR NOISE ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS OR WE HAVE NOISE COLLISIONS. >> NO. >> YOU'VE NOT TAKE ANY OTHER STEPS. I KNOW YOU SAID EARLIER STANDARDIZES YOUR FITS, YOUR [NOISE] FENCE, BUT NO BURMING, NO TREES, NOTHING THAT WOULD PERHAPS WORK AS A SOUND? >> CORRECT. >> I SEE THAT THE CURRENT PLAN IS GOING TO TAKE OUT ABOUT HALF THE LOT THAT YOU HAVE. WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE 15 ACRES JUST SOUTH OF IT? >> THAT WILL BE A STAGING SITE FOR HURRICANE RESPONSE. WE TEND TO LACK AN AREA WHERE THERE IS ADEQUATE SPACE FOR AMOUNT OF VEHICLES NEEDED TO FUEL DRINKS THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT IS A HURRICANE STAGING SITE. >> ARE THERE ANY PLANS IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE DEALS WITH DATA MINING SITES OR OTHER BATTERY SYSTEMS? >> TNMP IS A SERVICE PROVIDER IN THIS REGION. IF THEY SO REQUEST, THEY COULD CONNECT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE ON THIS PROPERTY. >> SINCE YOU SAID FOR STAGING AREA, DOES THAT MEAN TNMP WOULD FOCUS FIRST ON ANGLETON IF THERE'S ANY [LAUGHTER] SINCE WE'RE THE [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING] >> GLAD YOU PUT HIM ON THE SPOT AND ASK HIM THAT QUESTION. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE PRIORITY CUSTOMERS. >> I UNDERSTAND. [LAUGHTER] >> WILL THE STAGING AREA BE PAVED IN ANY WAY OR GRAVEL OR JUST ROCK. >> THAT'S CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT. THE TWO OPTIONS ARE EITHER PAVED OR A ROCK BASE. >> ARE THERE ANY PERMITS REQUIRED FOR THAT? >> YES. THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEWED. >> SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE? WHO WAS NOTIFIED FROM WINDROSE GREEN ABOUT THIS WHENEVER YOU [OVERLAPPING]. >> PROPERTY OWNER OWNERSHIP. >> BUT WHO WAS IT SPECIFICALLY? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MUD. WOULD IT BE THE. >> CURRENT OWNER THE PROPERTY MARKER? >> MARCO CAN'T HEAR ME, BUT. >> ALLOWED TO SPEAK? >> YES, SIR. PLEASE FIRST. >> MY NAME IS JOE RA BINSKA. I'M WITH EMBER GROUP, WHO'S THE DEVELOPER OF WINDROSE GREEN. WE DID OUR ENTITY THAT WE USED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE DID RECEIVE NOTICE. AS TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IF THE MORE DID, I'M NOT SURE. I COULD FIND OUT THAT ANSWER, BUT PROBABLY NOT THIS EVENING. WE DID RECEIVE NOTICE. >> WHAT WAS THE POSITION OF THE COMPANY? >> WE'RE OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS WE WOULD ASK TO BE HONEST IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL ARE ASKING. I APPRECIATE THE LAYOUT SO THAT THE SUBSTATION IS NOT RIGHT BEHIND HOMES. AS I ALWAYS POINTED OUT, IT'S, 500' ON ONE OF THEM, I 650 ON THE OTHERS. I'M SORRY, FORGOT YOUR NAME, BUT FROM TNMP, I THINK DID A GOOD JOB OF [NOISE] OUTLINING THE NOISE CONCERNS, AND I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT. HE MADE THE FACT, HIGHWAY 35 BEING RIGHT THERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE LOUDER, MAYBE NOT 100% OF THE TIME, BUT AT OVER 90% OF THE TIME. THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE GREATER GENERATOR OF NOISE IN THAT AREA. >> GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. >> WELCOME >> COUNSEL, WE HAVE OUR ANSWERS NOW. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU? [00:15:01] >> WILL THE DETENTION BE DRY OR IS IT GOING TO BE A POND? >> IT SHOULD BE DRAINED FULLY. >> MAJORITY OF THE TIME? >> IT'S PUMPED DETENTION SO IT SHOULD NOT BE RETENTION SHOULD BE A DETENTION, SO BE DRAIN OUT. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025112-008 FOR THE ZONING OF THE 26.084 ACRES TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. >> HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH FOR APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS. I APPRECIATE ALL [INAUDIBLE] THE DETAILS. >> GO INTO REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 7. [7. Update and discussion on boards and commissions vacant positions. ] UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON BOARDS AND COMMISSION VACANT POSITIONS. >> BARBARA, IT'S FRIDAY. >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE VACANCIES ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR THE ACRONYM, ABLC AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO LOOK AT IT YOU PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. THE THING ABOUT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS THEY'RE NOT YOU DON'T JUST SPEND 24 HOURS A DAY DOING IT. THERE ARE SOME THAT MEET AT NOON AND SOME AT 5:00 P.M. THEY MEET FOR AN HOUR OR SO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ISN'T AS NEEDED ONLY. THERE'S NOT A SCHEDULED ONE, AND THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES ON THAT, SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE PEOPLE LOOKING INTO THAT. THAT ABLC IS A VERY IMPORTANT COMMISSION FOR THE CITY THAT'S WHO DOES PARKS, WRECK, DRAINAGE, AND THEY MEET ON THE THIRD MONDAY OF THE MONTH AT 5:00 P.M. WE REALLY NEED SOMEBODY TO FILL THAT ONE. PLANNING AND ZONING ALSO HAS A VACANT TERM, AND THEY MEET AT NOON ON THURSDAY. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT GOES ON IN THE CITY, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR VOICE HASN'T BEEN HEARD, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, THIS IS AN EXCELLENT WAY TO DO IT. NONE OF THIS IS CRAZY TIME CONSUMING. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HOMEWORK. [LAUGHTER] YOU HAVE THESE MEETINGS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR MEETINGS THAT GO INTO IT, AND IT'S AN EXCELLENT WAY TO GET YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY. TRAVIS, JOHN, CHRISSY HAVE BEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS MUCH LONGER THAN I HAVE, AND THEY'RE ON THESE COMMISSIONS AND CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. IF THEY WANT TO THROW THEIR HAT IN THE RING FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THEM. >> ABSOLUTELY. I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT THESE UP BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE ANGLETON BETTER LIVING CORPORATION. THAT WAS FORMED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, AND THAT WENT TO THE VOTERS, AND THEIR JOB IS TO MANAGE OUR HALF CENT SALES TAX. THAT'S WHAT GOES TO OUR PARKS AND THE REX DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF OUR DRAINAGE, SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEE, AND IT'S REALLY GREAT WHEN WE HAVE EVERYONE INVOLVED IN NO VACANT SEATS. THEN WITH PLANNING AND ZONING, MAN, THAT IS A WELL OILED MACHINE. IT'S AN HOUR. THAT'S IT. THEY GET THROUGH THE TOPICS, AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HELP SIFT THROUGH THE PLANNING PART BEFORE IT COMES TO US. HEARING THEIR OPINIONS AND WATCHING THEIR SHOW THEIR SHOW. THEIR FACEBOOK FEED. BEFORE THE MEETINGS HELPS US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE TOPICS. >> I ECHO WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I SIT ON THE ABLC AS WELL, SO IS MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL, AND COUNCILMAN SMITH WAS ON ABLC BEFORE HE CAME TO COUNCIL. IT'S A GREAT STEPPING STONE, A GREAT WAY TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CITY. YOU HAVE A BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT. THERE'S A LOT OF ACTION ITEMS THAT COME OUT OF IT, SO IT KIND OF PREPARES YOU IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GET ON COUNCIL EVENTUALLY. I WILL SAY THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN THE CITY FROM OUR PARKS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THOSE, THAT ALL STARTS HERE. I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM CITIZENS ALL THE TIME, ASKING "WHY DO YOU KEEP TAKING AND BUILDING MORE PARKS OR USING THIS HALF CENT SALES TAX TO ONLY USE FOR PARKS OR WRECK?" [00:20:04] THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ABLC DECIDED AT THE TIME, AND IT'S IN THE BYLAWS. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU WANT TO IMPROVE IT, BY ALL MEANS, WE WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS TO COME ON TO THE CORPORATION AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO? YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? >> NO. I'VE DONE BOTH. I STARTED ON PLANNING AND ZONING FOR MOVE TO CITY COUNCIL AND ON ABLC. I ALWAYS JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT AS A CHANCE TO ENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY. I OUGHT ABOUT A CHANCE TO BE MORE ACTIVE. OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU GET TO GO UP HERE AND YOUR VOTE ON SOMETHING, YOUR OPINION, I GUESS WEIGHS A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU GO TO THE BALLOT BOX, YOU VOTE ON REPRESENTATIVES, THAT'S GREAT. BUT WHEN YOU COME UP HERE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU GET A LITTLE MORE WEIGHT TO YOUR VOTE. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO QUOTE UNQUOTE MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR AT LEAST INTERESTED OR INTRIGUED, I WOULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, SO WHY DO WE HAVE OPENINGS? BECAUSE LIVES GET BUSY OTHER PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES IN LIFE COME ALONG. IF IT'S NOT A COMMITMENT, LIKE IF SOMEHOW YOU DECIDE YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOUR TIME, OR JUST REALLY ISN'T WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE, NOT YOUR INTEREST, AND YOU CAN MOVE ON AS WELL AND OPEN UP AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO STEP IN ANYWAY. >> GREAT. ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE I GO ON EIGHT? THERE'S YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE COMMERCIAL. >> IT ALL OUT TO [INAUDIBLE]. [8. Discussion and possible action to approve Resolution No. 20251209-008 designating one (1) representative to serve on the Brazoria County Joint Airport Zoning Board; providing for repeal; and providing for an effective date] >> [LAUGHTER] NUMBER 8. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20251209-008, DESIGNATING ONE REPRESENTATIVE TO SERVE ON THE MISSOURI COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT ZONING BOARD, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE STEPHEN SETH HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND HIS RECOMMENDATION. >> GREAT. >> GOOD EVENING. SO AGAIN, I'M STEPHEN SETH. I CHAIR THE LOCAL MISSOURI COUNTY AIRPORT ZONING BOARD. PRETTY SIMPLE PURPOSE AND MISSION THE AIRPORT WAS DEVELOPED IN 1979. WITH THAT CAME ZONING, AND WE ARE JUST BASICALLY THERE TO ENFORCE THE ZONING. THERE'S BEEN NO REAL ISSUES OVER THE LAST 40 SOMETHING YEARS. OUR JOB IS PRIMARILY PROACTIVE COMMUNICATION, FORMAL COMMUNICATION WITH DEVELOPERS WHO ARE IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE AIRPORT AND ANY POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE AIRPORT WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE ISSUES THAT ARISE. AGAIN, THE ZONING IS WELL ESTABLISHED, IT'S REALLY PRETTY NONCONTROVERSIAL. THE BOARD IS COMPOSED OF SEVEN INDIVIDUALS, TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TWO REPRESENTATIVES APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY, TWO BY THE CITY OF ANGLETON, AND THE CHAIR, AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VACANCY FOR ANGLETON, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. A RECOMMENDATION, AS CALL, BUT A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE CARL BAKER. HE'S BEEN A LIFELONG MISSOURI COUNTY RESIDENT BORN AND RAISED IN FREEBOARD, THAT MOST OF HIS ADULT LIFE IN ANGLETON RECENTLY BUILT A HOUSE. I'M SORRY. MOST OF HIS LIFE IN LE JACKSON RECENTLY BUILT A HOUSE HERE IN ANGLETON. HE'S BEEN AN OWNER PILOT FOR 25 YEARS, HIGHLY INVOLVED WITH THE AIRPORT COMMUNITY. HE PARTICIPATES IN INDUSTRIAL TECHNICAL BOARDS. HE JUST BE A PRACTICAL, EFFECTIVE REPRESENTATIVE IN MY OPINION. FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE HERE TO PROTECT THE AIRPORT. IT'S AN IMPORTANT COUNTY ASSET. WE'RE NOT OUT TO MAKE TROUBLE WITH DEVELOPERS. WE WANT TO MAKE IT WORK FOR EVERYONE, AND THAT'S THE MINDSET GOING INTO THIS IN CARLO SHARE SAID. THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT QUESTIONS. >> SURE. I DO. THE FULL MEMBERSHIP BETWEEN BOTH LAKE JACKSON AND ANGLETON IN THIS CASE. HOW MANY OF THEM ARE ALL AIRCRAFT PILOT OWNERS THAT ARE OUT THERE? >> PROBABLY TWO THIRDS, BUT THEY'RE NOT 100%. IN THE PAST, ANGLETON HAD YOUR CITY MANAGER POINT IN TIME WAS VERY EFFECTIVE FROM THE CITY ZONING PERSPECTIVE, AND THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. BUT YES, A MAJORITY ARE AND GRAVITATE THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THE OPERATION THEY SEE A FLIGHT, CONCERNS AND ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE THREATS, AIRPORTS ACROSS THE NATION. WE HAVE ISSUES ACROSS THE NATION AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL ENCROACHMENT ON AIRPORTS AND THEN THE AIRPORTS AIR FORCE TO SHUT DOWN AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT COUNTY ASSET, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT. AGAIN, JUST A RECOMMENDATION. [00:25:01] >> IS MR. BAKER HERE? TOM? >> NO. >> JUST ASKING. >> I RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE. HE'S OUR FRIEND. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 20251209-008. DESIGNATE CARL BAKER. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTIN, SECOND BY MAYOR BOTON TOWNSEND, AND FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF CARL BAKER TO THE AIRPORT MISSOURI COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT ZONING BOARD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAME NAY? ANY ABSTENTIONS. >> AYE. >> GOT IT. THANK YOU TO. WE ARE PULLING ITEM NUMBER 9 TONIGHT, AND WE ARE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER 10, [10. Discussion and possible action on a request for the City of Angleton’s consent to the Municipal Utility District (MUD) Boundary, as part of the Strategic Partnership Agreement, for a petition adding a 4.90 acre tract and a 1.943 acre tract into the MUD 82 District situated in the City's Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (ETJ), and part of the Ashland Development, located along SH288 and east of the FM 521 corridor. ] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR THE CITY OF ANGLETONS CONSENT TO THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT BOUNDARY AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT FOR A PETITION ADDING A 4.9 ACRE TRACT AND A 1.943 ACRE TRACT INTO THE MUD 82 DISTRICT, SITUATED IN THE CITY'S ETJ OR AT JURISDICTION, AND PART OF THE ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ALONG STATE HIGHWAY 288 AND EAST OF THE FM 521 CORRIDOR. >> THANK YOU, MARY. COUNCIL. I'LL INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. AS YOU SEE HERE, AND AS PART OF THE ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT, DA, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2023, AS WELL AS THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT. THE SPA WAS APPROVED IN 2024, APRIL OF THAT YEAR. ACCORDING TO THE SPA AGREEMENT, WHAT IT DOES IS AT ANY TIME IF THERE'S ANY BOUNDARY CHANGES TO THE MUD, THEY'RE REQUESTING YOUR CONSENT FROM THE COUNCIL, SAYING THAT YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AND THAT SECTION OF THAT SPA AGREEMENT. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU WILL SEE THE ACTUAL AREA WHICH IS SUBJECT TO THIS REQUEST FOR ANNEX INTO THE MUD 82 PETITION THAT YOU SEE HERE, WHICH THAT WAS A LIVER UP LAND THAT YOU SEE TO THE LEFT ALONG 521. AS YOU LOOK AT YOUR CONCEPT PLANS, WE'LL SEE LATER, YOU'LL SEE THAT DASHED IN AREA, WHICH WAS EXCLUDED OUT OF THE MUD. THEN OVER TOWARD STATE HIGHWAY 288, THERE'S A SMALL SECTION THERE THAT WAS EXCLUDED OUT OF THE MUD 82 BOUNDARY. THEY'RE JUST REQUESTING THIS ANNEXATION TO TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THEN IT WOULD BE JUST SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE MUD 82 REQUIREMENTS. I THINK SOMEONE IS HERE FROM THE PETITIONERS AND ATTORNEYS, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FURTHER, I'LL BE GLAD TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT. >> [INAUDIBLE]? >> YES, WE'RE NOT DOING IT TONIGHT. THE FIRE STATION IF YOU WANT. >> MY NAME IS MARK JANE. I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF LAND OF ASHTON GRAVES DEVELOPMENT. WE OWN ASHLAND. THE STRIP ON THE LEFT SIDE WAS A 50 FOOT WIDE STRIP THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OWNED. THEY DIDN'T WANT IT, SO WE PURCHASED THAT FORM, AND THEN THE STRIP THE ATTRACT ON THE RIGHT SIDE WAS NOT PART OF OUR ORIGINAL CLOSING, WHICH WAS OVER 900 ACRES. WHEN WE GET THAT INTO THE MUD, THAT'LL GIVE US A HALF MILE OF 288 FRONTAGE. THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE THE FUTURE ANGLETON TOWN CENTER IS GOING TO BE. SHOULD I GIVE THE UPDATE FOR ASHLAND NOW? >> WE'LL DO THAT IN THE NEXT. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THIS TO BE ANNEXED INTO OUR MUD. >> YOU DIDN'T CLOSE ON THAT ORIGINALLY, YOU ADDED THAT LATER? >> YES, SIR. >> IS THERE ANY PLANS TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THAT STATE HIGHWAY 22 88? >> NOT AT THIS TIME. LIKE I SAID, WE ALMOST HAVE A HALF MILE FRONTAGE, AND WE'VE MADE PROGRESS WITH TXDOT TO ALLOW US TO TIE THE COUNTY ROAD INTO THE 288, SO WE THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PORTION TO CLOSE OUT THE COMMUNITY. >> ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE ON THIS 4.9 ACRES IS OTIS, YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS ONE BETTER THAN I DO. THE AGREEMENT, I THINK IN THE IN THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP IS THAT WE GET THE SALES TAX FROM THAT PROPERTY AREA. WHEN YOU EXTEND THIS PROPERTY AREA, DOES THAT ALSO EXTEND THE SALES TAX AREA AS WELL? >> I BELIEVE SO. >> ANYBODY DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE [INAUDIBLE]. SAY THAT AGAIN, NOTICE. >> AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE SPA AGREEMENT, [00:30:03] WHEN THE COMMERCIAL TO BE CONSIDERED, THAT AREA WOULD BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY UNDER LIMITED ANNEXATION PROCESS, SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MUD. WHEN THEY GET READY TO DEVELOP THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN THE TAX BASE OFF OF THAT THROUGH THE LIMITED ANNEXATION PROCESS. ALL OF THAT S IN THE SPA AGREEMENT NDA. >> INCLUDING THIS 4.9. >> THAT WOULD BE ANSWERED, I THINK IN THE NEXT ITEM WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LAND PLAN AND BOUNDARIES OF THE WHOLE AREA. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE ANSWER IS YES, IF IT'S PART OF THE BOUNDARY. >> GREAT. >> WE ARE NOT ANNEXING. THE CITY IS NOT ANNEXING S TO THE MUD TO ANNEX, WHICH WE REQUIRE THEM TO GET OUR. >> BUT WE ALSO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE GET THE SALES TAX EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I JUST WANT TO THAT'S A BIG THING SALES. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONSENT TO THIS NEW VENDOR AS PART OF A STREET STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT AS PROPOSED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTIN, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN SMITH FOR THE APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION CARRIES. GOING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11. [11. Discussion and possible action on the Preliminary Plat of Ashland Section 7B as resubmitted, and to consider updates to the Ashland Land Plan as it relates to this section located on the northeast curved section of Sapphire Springs Trail, east of Section 6, and north of Section 7A.] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF ASHLAND SECTION 7B, AS RESUBMITTED, AND TO CONSIDER UPDATES OF THE ASHLAND LAND PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THIS SECTION, LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CURVE SECTION OF SAPPHIRE SPRINGS TRAIL, EAST OF SECTION 6 AND NORTH OF SECTION 7A. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM, COUNCIL. YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, SECTION 7B OF THE ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU SEE CIRCLED HERE OFF OF THE LAND PLAN. THIS PARTICULAR PLAT A PRELIMINARY PLAT WENT BEFORE THE COUNCIL AS STATED PREVIOUSLY. WHAT THEY'RE DOING TONIGHT IS ASKING FOR A REVISION OF THAT. IF YOU WOULD FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT WOULD SHOW WHAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED SINCE YOU LAST APPROVED THIS SECTION. THERE ARE SOME RED LINES THAT BASICALLY INCREASE THE LOCK SIZES TO 60 FEET IN THIS INSTANCE, SO THERE WAS JUST SLIGHT BOUNDARY CHANGES AS PART OF THAT PLAT OF 7B AND WHAT YOU'RE ENTERTAINING TONIGHT. I WOULD SAY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID CONSIDER THIS REQUEST IN THEIR LAST MEETING AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY SIX TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SECTION TO YOU. WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WOULD BE THE IMPLICATIONS ON THE LAND PLAN AS ALLUDED TO EARLIER. THEN WHAT THAT WILL DO IS GIVE US A TO DO LIST OF THINGS THAT NEED TO OCCUR IN THE FUTURE, SO IF WE COULD POSSIBLY FLIP TO THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES UNTIL WE SEE THE NEXT GRAPHICS AND ZOOM INTO THE LAND PLAN. >> AS STATED EARLIER, THERE WAS SOME LAND, AS YOU HEARD, THAT WAS LATER ACQUIRED BY THE DEVELOPMENT, [NOISE] THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS BOUNDARY. WE WOULD ZOOM FURTHER OUT FOR THE LAND PLAN. THERE YOU GO. AS PART OF THE DA, IT LEFT SOME FLEXIBILITY OF THE LAND PLAN OF THE DEVELOPER FROM TIME TO TIME TO MAKE CHANGES. WE KNOW THAT THE SINGLE-FAMILY LOB MIX AND WHAT HAVE YOU COMES TO YOU IN TERMS OF VARIOUS PLATS. WE'VE BEEN TRACKING THAT PROGRESS FOR THE COUNCIL. AS STATED EARLIER, THE FIRE STATION SITE, WHICH WAS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN ON THE PROPERTY, COUNCIL MADE THE REQUEST THAT THAT BE SITUATED OFF [NOISE] OF FM 521. THEN ALSO ALONG 288, YOU KNOW THAT DISCUSSIONS NEEDED TO BE HAD WITH THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF PROMOTING THAT AREA FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT TO MAKE THE COMMERCIAL HAPPEN. SINCE THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, AS I STATED EARLIER IN 2023, AS A PART OF THE DA, THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO PUMP THE BRAKES WITH THE APPLICANT JUST TO LET THEM KNOW THAT IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE LAND PLAN AS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DA, THEY NEEDED TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. WHAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT IS THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT NUMBER 1, [00:35:04] THIS FIRST SLIDE, AND THEN FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHERE YOU WILL SEE BASICALLY, MORE LAND PLANNING IS OCCURRING, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND BLESSING OF WHAT'S OCCURRED. STAFF WOULD SUPPORT, I THINK, ANY CHANGES TO THE PLAN THAT WOULD PROMOTE THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ALONG THE MAJOR QUARTERS. BUT WE WANTED TO ALSO NOTE THAT THERE WERE SOME CHANGES IN TWEAKS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NATURAL PRESERVED AREA, WHICH IS 47 ACRES TO THE FAR NORTH EAST. THAT WOULD BE THE TOP RIGHT. THOSE TWEAKS, WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TYPE OF SHIFTING OF ACREAGE, WE WANTED THE MESSAGE TO BE SENT TO COUNCIL SO THAT YOU WOULD BE AWARE. I HAVE ALSO, AND I THINK, HOW HAS THE HANDOUTS OF THE LOT MIX ACTIVITY SO THAT YOU WILL SEE TO DATE HOW MANY LOTS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BEFORE YOU FOR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATS. I THINK THAT 700 OR SO LOTS ARE SHOWN HERE WITH THE LOT MIX, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE QUANTITIES FROM 50-FOOT LOT, 60-FOOT LOT. I THINK 55-FOOT LOTS. IT HAS THAT SAME GRAPHIC IF YOU WOULD JUST FLASH THAT ONE UP. YOU CAN ZOOM INTO THE PORTIONS ON THE TOTALS AT THE VERY BOTTOM AND THE TABLE IN THE MIDDLE. ON INTO THAT. THAT WOULD SHOW YOUR PERCENTAGES AND TOTAL TO DATE OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY LOT MIX OF THE 2,400 LOTS THAT ARE APPROVED. BUT GETTING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ON THE AGENDA IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPT PLAN. I WANTED YOUR INPUT ON THE CONCEPT PLAN IN TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I DO HAVE AN ACTION ON THE AGENDA THAT THE CONCEPT PLAN UPDATE WOULD BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME FOR ASHLAND TO GIVE THEIR UPDATE IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL, IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME, HOW WE'VE MORPHED INTO THE EXISTING PLAN. THEN IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCIL, I THINK IT WOULD BE FITTING, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THOSE CHANGES BE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT I POINTED OUT. AS YOU KNOW COUNTY ROAD 32 HAS MORPHED OVER TIME. IT TOOK A TURN TO THE NORTH. I THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS EXPLAINED TO YOU WHY, BECAUSE OF THE LEVY, AND TRYING TO ANTICIPATE THE FEEDER ROAD CONNECTION. BUT THOSE THINGS WILL MOVE OTHER ITEMS ON THE LAND PLAN AS SECTIONS ARE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU AS PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATS. THAT'S IT. I WANTED TO JUST INTRODUCE THAT ITEM. YOU HAVE THE TWO ACTIONS ON THE AGENDA: SECTION D APPROVAL WITH THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE LAND PLAN CHANGES. ONE OF THE THINGS LEGAL, I THINK I'LL NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE WHICH WOULD BE WHAT'S ALONG 288. IF THERE IS LAND THAT HAS BEEN PURCHASED SINCE THE ORIGINAL. I THINK THERE'S AN ACTION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. TO MERGE THAT INTO THE DA AND THE SPY AGREEMENT AS WELL. I THINK MR. JERNICKS CAN MAYBE COMMENT TO IF THAT LAND BOUNDARY HAS CHANGED, AND LEGAL CAN ASSIST WITH WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT. THE NEXT STEP FOR MERGING THAT INTO THE DA AND THE SPY AGREEMENT. >> BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY. >> YES, SIR. >> I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS OUT. CAN YOU JUST HAND ME A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SHOWS SEVEN AND EIGHT LOTS? THAT PLAN RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF IT SHOWS 821 LOTS. IF IT'S YOU OR IF IT'S MR. JERNICKS, SOMEBODY EXPLAINED TO ME THAT WHAT CHANGED, HOW IT MORPHED FROM THE 821 TO THE 708, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE PERCENTAGES. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. >> THAT QUESTION I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE, AS YOU SEE IN THE LIST OF SECTIONS ON THE GRAPHIC YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. IT WOULD HAVE THE LIST OF SECTIONS. I'LL TAKE MY SEAT AND DOUBLE CHECK IF THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LEFT MAY HAVE BEEN LEFT OFF OF THAT LIST. I WILL SAY THAT AS WE SHIFT FROM 55, 60 FOOT LOTS, I HAVE NOT PRESENTED THIS TO THE APPLICANT, SO I WANT THEIR ENGINEERS TO LOOK CLOSER AT THE LOT MIX BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TWEAKS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LOTS THAT IS HARD TO PUT THEM IN THE CATEGORY BECAUSE THEY'RE ON COLD SACS, THEY'RE IN CURVES, AND THEY FALL INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. [00:40:01] WE NEED TO REFINE THOSE NUMBERS. BUT I THINK THE DISCREPANCY YOU'RE POINTING OUT, I THINK IT IS JUST THE TIME LOT AND [OVERLAPPING] DATES OF THE LOT. >> BIG CHANGE IN LOTS. >> THAT IS. >> BUT I'M EXCITED TO HEAR THAT THERE'S MORE 60S. >> YES, SIR. >> IT'S NOT COUNTING SECTION 9, AND THAT PUTS IT UP TO 811. JUST A FEW [OVERLAPPING] OR THE ONE A FEW THAT I'M NOT SURE. >> SECTION 9. IT BOTTOM OF [INAUDIBLE] >> THERE'S LIKE 10 MORE SPREAD IN THERE SOMEWHERE? [BACKGROUND] >> SEE CONTENT. THIS WAS SECTION [INAUDIBLE] >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JAE GROW, METO PLANNING DESIGN FOR THE LAND PLANNERS FOR ASHLAND. THAT 10 DISCREPANCY IS PROBABLY THIS IS AN OLDER VERSION OF PIN THAT SECTION WAS 50S. SINCE WE INCREASED IT TO 60S, WE LOST TEN IN THAT PROCESS. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THOSE MAY HAVE LIED. >> WASN'T ACCUSING ANYBODY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENCES. NO. THAT'S GOOD. >> WE HAVE 160-FOOT BUILDER IN THAT SARATOGA. EVEN B WILL BE ANOTHER SECTION WILL ALLOW US TO PUT A SECOND 60-FOOT BUILDER IN THERE. WE DO HAVE A REMAINING LOT IN THE MODEL CORD FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR MODEL IN, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE CENTURY COMMUNITIES, IS GOING TO BE IN THAT SECTION. LET ME GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE. WE'RE ALMOST AT 1,000 ACRES. WE JUST DELIVERED PHASE ONE OF 450 LOTS. THE MODEL CORD IS COMPLETE. WE HAVE A REALTOR EVENT THURSDAY. TRY TO GET MORE THAN FOUR SALES BECAUSE WE HAVE 95 STARTS AND FOUR SALES. OF COURSE, THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST I'VE EVER SEEN THE HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY. IN MY 40 SOMEWHAT YEARS, BUT WE THINK THAT THERE'LL BE SOME VELOCITY NOW AT THE MODEL. THE MODELS ARE OPENING UP. NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY WE WARMED COUNTY ROAD 32 TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE KEPT COUNTY ROAD GOING STRAIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE TEMPORARY FEEDER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING. YOU SEE THE BAY STUFF TO THE RIGHT? WE'VE GONE TO TEXTDOT. WE PAID FOR THE TIA, WE'VE DONE THE PRELIMINARY STUDIES. TEXTDOT IS OKAY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE GOING TO IF YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING 1,000 FOOT OF FEEDER, PERMANENT FEEDER, AND WE WOULD BE BUILDING TEMPORARY EXIT AND ASPHALT RAMPS SO THAT WE COULD GET ACCESS. HAD WE HAVE KEPT COUNTY ROAD STRAIGHT, THAT WHOLE FEEDER WOULD HAVE SHIFTED TO THE SOUTH, AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO CROSS THAT CREEK THAT PARALLELS THE INFAMOUS. >> YES. >> ANGLE TO LEVEY, AND THAT WAS A $3 MILLION BRIDGE. BY DOING THIS, WE'VE REDUCED THE INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE 288 TO $5 MILLION. NEXT WEEK, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER KADE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MILLION DOLLARS GETTING ALL THE STUDIES DONE, WE'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT, BUT WE CAN'T WE DON'T HAVE $5 MILLION TO BUILD IT. BUT WE'VE GOT A GOOD PROPOSAL TO THE COMMISSIONER. APPARENTLY, THERE'S A CENT OR TWO OF REAL ESTATE TAXES THAT ARE UP IN THE AIR, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO COMMIT IT TO US. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN BOOK, THEN I CAN COME UP WITH THE $5 MILLION TO BUILD IT, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUILD IT. THAT'S WHY WE WARPED THAT ROAD TO THE NORTH. IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 7 AND 8, THAT'S THE BASE SECTIONS TO THE RIGHT. THEY'VE BEEN FILLED. WE'RE GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THAT IN PROBABLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE MONTHS. THE SCHOOL OPENED UP THIS FALL. THEY'RE ALREADY A LITTLE BIT OVERCROWDED BECAUSE THEY ASKED ME FOR A SCHEDULE. WE'RE DELIVERING STUDENTS. I'M SURE YOU KNOW THE BOND ELECTION FAILED. THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT THEY HAVE COMMITTED THAT ALL THE ASHLAND RESIDENTS WILL BE USING OUR 7.2-MILE TRAIL SYSTEM TO WALK TO THE SCHOOLS. SCHOOLS LOOK GREAT; THEY'VE GOT FULL ATHLETIC FACILITIES. THEY'VE GOT TENNIS COURTS FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS; THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT. WE HAVE GIVEN RENDERINGS OF THE TOWN CENTER TO OTIS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHARED THAT WITH ALL. BUT WE'VE GOT SOME REDORINGS OF THAT TOWN CENTER, AND WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED. HEB TOLD US THEY NEED A CONNECTION TO 288, AND THEY NEED ROOFTOPS. WE'RE HALFWAY THERE, WE'RE TALKING TO OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE DONE TOWN CENTERS BEFORE. WE THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN CENTER TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT FEEDER CONNECTION. HOPEFULLY, IT'LL GO WELL WITH THE COMMISSIONER NEXT WEEK, COMMISSIONER KADE. [00:45:04] YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE HIGH-DENSITY PODS. THEY WERE LIKE OUR AGREEMENT SAYS WE COULD DO EIGHT PER ACRE, WE COULD DO DETACHED TOWN HOMES, NO RENTALS, PURE SALES. BUT THERE'S NO APPETITE BY NOW; THE BUILDERS WANT TO GET MOMENTUM ON THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BEFORE WE START DOING SOME HIGH-DENSITY STUFF. THAT'S ONE REASON WHY YOU DON'T SEE ANY TO THE NORTH. OF COURSE, WE ARE GOING TO HONOR OUR LOT RATIO COMMITMENTS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HONOR OUR MAXIMUM LOT COUNT AS PER THE DA. NONE OF THESE CHANGES WILL AFFECT THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. >> I'VE GOT LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE. MY KID GOES TO THE SCHOOL, SO I'M OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. I'M SEEING THE PROGRESS YOU'RE MAKING. I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE MOVING PRETTY QUICKLY. YOU SAID YOU HAVE 95 UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? >> I WOULD SAY COUNTING THE MODELS, PROBABLY 15 ARE COMPLETE. THE FIVE SALES IS A LITTLE WORRISOME, BUT INTEREST RATES, THE TIME OF THE YEAR. THE INSANITY COMING FROM WASHINGTON, DC. IT'S A PERFECT STORM FOR HOME BUILDING. I BELIEVE THE INTEREST RATES WILL COME DOWN A NOTCH TOMORROW, WE HOPE. THEN JANUARY WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF THE SALE SEASON, SO WE'RE JUST KEEPING OUR FINGERS CROSSED. I WOULD BE DEFINITELY AFRAID TO OPEN THIS DEVELOPMENT IF IT WERE FOR THE SCHOOLS. THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AT THE SCHOOL OPENING, BUT YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT SCHOOL. THESE ARE BEAUTIFUL FACILITIES. >> YES, YOU ARE. THEY'RE NICE. >> I'VE BEEN UP IN THAT SCHOOL THREE TIMES, I GUESS, NOW, AND IT'S VERY WELL NO PROBLEMS, WELL RUN. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I FEEL WE PROBABLY DID ONE THING WRONG ALREADY THAT I'VE NOTICED. IS THAT ROAD? THE ZAP FIRE SPRINGS? THE TURN BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE YOU'RE USING THE BACK AS THE MAIN DROP OFF AND PICK UP. THAT ROAD ALREADY AT THIS CAPACITY IS ALREADY BLOCKED AT TIMES OF DAY. IF YOU HAVE RESIDENTS TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT ROAD, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AT CERTAIN TIMES. >> IN THE SOUTH OR EAST OF THE SCHOOL. >> BEHIND THE SCHOOL, SO EAST OF THE SCHOOL. >> BUT WE ADDED A LEFT TURN LANE BACK FROM THE NORTH, THAT WILL HELP. THEN CORAL HAVEN, THE STREET ON THE SOUTH, INSTEAD OF IT BEING TRADITIONAL 28 FOOT, IT'S 41 FOOT BACK TO BACK. IT'S FOUR LANES. WE DID THOSE TWO THINGS. THE SCHOOL REQUESTED THAT. >> IT'S NOT STRIPED. >> I'LL HAVE TO GET ON A CONTRACTOR ABOUT THAT. BUT I STILL HAVE SOME MONEY, SO I'LL GET IT. HE GETS HIS LAST PAYMENT. >> THERE YOU GOT THINGS DRIED. >> I KNOW YOU PUT THAT TURN LANE IN, BUT IT'S ALREADY IT BACKS UP BEHIND THE TURN LANE. IT JUST IT BLOCKS THE TRAFFIC. JUST GIVING YOU A HEADS UP ON THAT. I SEE THAT YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT GOES UP TO THE NORTH, AND IT JUST STOPS, ARE YOU TRYING TO BUILD OUT FURTHER NORTH AS YOU GO? >> IS THAT THAT'S A PLANNING REQUIREMENT FOR STUBB STREETS, META? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE BUILD ROADS TO NOWHERE QUITE OFTEN BECAUSE OF PLANTING REQUIREMENTS. BUT IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO UP TO WHEREVER DEVELOPS THE LAND TO THE NORTH. >> THEN I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION, I'LL LET COUNCIL GO, IS MOVING TO 60-FOOT LOTS FROM THE SMALLER LOTS, THE SALES THAT YOU'VE HAD SO FAR, WHAT SIZE LOTS HAVE THEY BEEN? >> WE HAVE 160,155 AND 250. THEY'RE RUNNING FROM 3-360. >> SARATOGA LIKES THE 60-FOOT, SO THEY WANT A MORE? >> ONE OF THEIR MODELS IS A ONE-STORY, FOUR-BEDROOM, THREE-CAR GARAGE WITH THREE FULL BATHS. I NEED TO KEEP MY WIFE OUT THERE BECAUSE IF SHE WALKED THROUGH THERE, THAT WOULD COST ME 1,000 REMODELING. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MODEL. THAT'S GOING ON THE 60-FOOT MODEL, 60-FOOT LOSS. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD CELLAR. TO GET ALL THAT INTO A ONE-STORY IS PRETTY OPPRESSIVE, BECAUSE WELL, [00:50:01] MORE MATURE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, RETIRED OF STAIRS AND THE ONE STORY WITH FOUR BEDROOMS AND THREE BATHS. THAT'S A GREAT PLAN. WE THINK THAT THEY'LL DO WELL. >> GOOD. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. >> JUST ONE QUESTION. LET'S MAKE GO TO TIE AS WELL. WILL WE GET CONTINUED DATES IF THERE'S OTHER CHANGES TO THE PLAN? >> YES. WE'RE OBLIGATED TO TAKE THOSE TO YOU. YES. >> THAT'S ALL I ASK. >> YES, SIR. >> THEN YOU'LL LOOK INTO THE SALES TAX FOR ALL THE COMMERCIAL 28 A THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMMITTED TO THE CITY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IF WE HAVE TO AMEND THE SPA TO INCLUDE THIS NEW TRACK THAT WE WE ANNEXED IT I THAT'S A AT THE DAN PLAN. >> I MEAN, JUST NEED TO DO A LIMITED-PURPOSE ANNEXATION AND THEN THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT OR SPA. GET IT IN THERE AND NOTIFY THE COMPTROLLER WE'RE OFF TO THE RACES. >> PLEASE DO. >> [OVERLAPPING] MOTION. >> WHERE HE TOOK THAT ACTION ON THE PRIOR ONE. >> DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT? >> [OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, ANYWAY? >> YES. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MADENA. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH. DO WE NEED TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO INCLUDE IT IN THIS ONE? >> FOR THE SPA? >> FOR THE SPA? >> NO. WE'VE GOT THEM. >> OKAY. >> WE'VE GOT THE SENSE OF COUNCIL. >> I GUESS THE LAST THING I'LL TELL YOU IS I'M OKAY WITH 32 GOING THE WAY IT DOES. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TEXT DOT STEP IN AND HELP US. WE'VE GOT TO GET SAFETY ADDRESSED. THIS SUBDIVISION IS A NIGHTMARE FOR NOT IN YOUR SUBDIVISION, BUT OUTSIDE YOUR SUBDIVISION. THE INTERSECTION AT 521 AND 44 ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF ACCIDENTS, AND IT'S A LITTLE DICEY GETTING THROUGH THERE, NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART, GETTING ACROSS THAT. >> IF YOU ROLL DOWN, I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ARE WORKING ON. SEE THE INTERSECTION OF ANCHOR TO 521? >> YES, STRAIGHT THAT OUT. >> TOTALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL AND DANGEROUS CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GO 55 DOWN 521. WHAT THE COUNTY IS WORKING WITH, AND THE SCHOOL IS PUSHING THIS REAL HARD, OBVIOUSLY, THE CONNECTION TO 288 IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF THE BUS TRAFFIC. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ANCHOR, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WARP IT TO THE LEFT SO THAT IT HITS 521. >> [OVERLAPPING] STRAIGHT >> AT 90 DEGREES. HOPEFULLY, PUT A SIGNAL THERE. THAT'S IN THE WORKING BECAUSE THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION FROM DAY ONE. >> THAT'S A CONCERN, BUT THE ONE THAT'S THE WORST ONE IS DOWN AT 521 IN ANCHOR. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD ACCIDENTS AT. NOT THIS ONE THAT I'VE SEEN OR HEARD, CHIEF, HAVE YOU HEARD OF ANY RIGHT THERE? >> NO, SIR. >> ANCHOR ABOUT 523 >> 523. BY THE DOLLAR. SORRY. >> IS THERE A SIGNAL THERE? >> NO, SIR. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> WELL, I'M GLAD IT'S NOT CLOSE TO OUR DEVELOPMENT. >> [OVERLAPPING] IT IS. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD A SIGNAL. >> IT IS CLOSE TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT. >> OUR TIA DOESN'T MENTION THAT. WE'VE DONE IT. WE HAD TO DO ANOTHER TIA FOR THE CONNECTION TO 288. >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, I GUESS THE THING I WOULD TAKE BACK TO COMMISSIONER CADE AND TEXT DOT IS, THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE, AND WE CAN GET THIS FEEDER UP AND RUNNING, AND THEN WE COULD GET THE OVERPASS RIGHT THERE. THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL TO FIXING A LOT OF THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND OTHER AREAS BECAUSE WE'RE USING ROADS THAT ARE NOT ADEQUATELY BUILT FOR THE SUBDIVISION TO ACCESS AROUND THERE. >> REALLY JUST PROVIDING YOU WITH ADDITIONAL AMMUNITION TO GET YOUR FRONTAGE ROAD AND ALL THAT. >> IS ANCHOR COUNTY ROAD? >> YES. >> YES, SIR. >> IT'S THE COUNTY AND TEXT DOT? >> COUNTY ROAD 44. YES >> NOT EXACTLY THE DREAM TEAM. BUT WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ON THAT, CAUSE AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE A SIGNAL AND THAT'S NOT CLOSE TO YOUR CITY LIMITS. >> 523 AND 44 HAS A SIGNAL, BUT IT'S JUST A CAUTION LIGHT. >> [OVERLAPPING] SINGLE STOP ON 44. >> IT'S NOT STOPPING TRAFFIC. IT'S JUST YELLOW BLINKING. BUT I THINK THAT MAKES PEOPLE DRIVE FASTER. BUT YES, PLEASE, GOOD LUCK ON GETTING THIS SPEEDER DONE. THAT'LL BE A BIG WIN. [00:55:03] >> DOES THE COUNTY READ THE MINUTES? >> [OVERLAPPING] CAN YOU TAKE THAT OUT? >> NO. I WANT TO LEAVE IT IN. [LAUGHTER] >> THEY'RE HERE ALL WEEK, RIGHT? >> REWORKING OF OUR AGREEMENTS IS THAT OUR MONITOR IS GOING TO DO THAT, OR WE ALL GOING TO DO THAT? >> WE HAVE TO WORK HAND IN HAND. >> [OVERLAPPING] WITH RICH. >> I HAVE THE MOTION ON SECOND ALREADY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE POSE SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> SAME HERE. >> ITEM NUMBER 12, DISCUSSION OF A CONCEPT REVIEW OF A PRELIMINARY LAYOUT FOR THE PROPERTY AT 416 NORTH TINSLEY STREET AT CINCINNATI STREET, PROPOSED BY TORRIAN MILLER FOR A SEVEN-LOT SINGLE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON PROPERTY ZONE MULTI-FAMILY 29 ZONING DISTRICT. >> THANK YOU, MARION CONSOLE. I'LL INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT REVIEW OF THE CONSOLE, JUST TO GET FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANTS WHO ARE PROPOSING THIS SEVEN-LOT DEVELOPMENT ON LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR MULTI-FAMILY AT 29 UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS JUST FOR A POTENTIAL SALE OF THE PROPERTY. BAKER LAWSON IS HERE WITH THE APPLICANT WHO IS PROPOSING THE LOTS AND THE LAYOUT THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THE SLIDES TO FOLLOW. WHAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU IS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IF IT'S NOT DEVELOPED UNDER THE MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT, THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE 6.3 ZONING REQUIREMENTS. ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE ATTACHED IN YOUR AGENDA FOR YOUR REFERENCE. I'LL DEFER TO BAKER LAWSON AND THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME. THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM. BASICALLY, YOU'RE JUST GIVING THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON YOUR FEELINGS TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TORRIAN MILLER AND I'M HERE ABOUT THIS LOT ON TINSLEY STREET. CURRENTLY, IT'S ZONED FOR MULTI-FAMILY. MY PLAN IS TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO SEVEN SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. PLAN ON BUILDING HOMES AROUND 1,500 TO 1,800 SQUARE FEET. RIGHT NOW I'M PLANNING TO DO ONE HOME PER YEAR, MAYBE TWO AT THE MOST AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I BELIEVE IT'S 60-FOOT-WIDE LOT. >> MIGUEL KNOWS THE DRILL. >> IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT THE LOTS ARE GOING TO ABIDE BY THE SF7.2. ONE THING I REALLY WANT TO POINT OUT IS LOTS ARE 60 FEET, BUT THEY GO BACK ABOUT, I THINK, 300 FEET. I CAN'T READ >> 290. >> THEY ARE DEEP. >> THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE THERE. TORRIAN HAD DISCUSSED THAT YOU WOULD BE DEMOING THAT HOUSE. BASICALLY, START THE FIRST ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND START WITH THE CLEAN SLATE FOR THE SUBDIVISION. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER. >> I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT POSSIBLY PUSHING THE HOUSES BACK SO THAT YOU CAN GET TWO CARS IN THE FRONT PARKED OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE, NOT TOUCHING THE SIDEWALK. SINCE THE LOTS ARE SO DEEP, AND THE HOUSES GO BACK A LITTLE FURTHER. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM. YEAH, SURE. WE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING AT LIBERTY ROAD. NO PROBLEM. >> JUST TO KEEP CARS OFF THE STREET, CAUSE THAT STREETS YOU CAN'T PARK ON THAT STREET. I MEAN, YOU CAN. >> WHAT'S OUR LANE DEVELOP IS IT 25 OR 30? >> IT SHOULD BE 30. >> YOU GOT INCREASED TO 30. >> MIGUEL, DID YOU REFLECT THAT IN WHEN YOU DESIGNED THIS? >> NO. THAT WAS DRAWN. I'M PRETTY SURE WITH THE 20 OR 25 FOOT SETBACK, BUT WE WOULD BE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE CODE, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THAT ROAD IS REALLY SKINNY. >> YEAH. >> SOMEWHERE TO PULL IN AND OUT, SOMETHING I COULD TALK WITH TORRIAN, BUT WE CAN LOOK IN MAYBE PUTTING IN A LITTLE T ON THE DRIVEWAYS THAT WOULD HELP PEOPLE NOT BACK UP INTO THE STREET, THEY COULD BACK UP IN THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY AND TURN BACK ONTO TINSLEY. >> YEAH. >> I MEAN, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC, BUT WE'RE JUST SAYING >> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S JUST A SKINNY STREET. >> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE JUST SAYING PARKING. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING ON THE ROAD AND BLOCKING THE ROAD. >> I THINK THE CURRENT CODE IS 35 FEET. TO ME, AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW THE CODE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM FROM ME. PUSH BACK. I DO HAVE THAT CONCERN BECAUSE WE JUST DEAL WITH STREET PARKING. [01:00:03] IT JUST BECOMES, AND IT'S JUST NOT EVERY PERSON IS THIS WAY, BUT WE SEE A LOT OF HOMES WHERE THEY HAVE TWO HOMEOWNERS, BUT THEY HAVE THREE VEHICLES. THEN IF THEY HAVE A GUEST OVER, THAT VEHICLE STARTS ENDING UP IN THE STREET AND BEFORE YOU KNOW YOU'RE CLOGGING TRAFFIC. >> SEE EVERYBODY RANCH. >> ANYWAY, SO I THINK IT'S 35, I'M FINE IF AS LONG AS YOU'RE 35 FOOT BACK, AND I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT T, I'D BE FANTASTIC BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A NARROW ROAD. >> YEAH, MAYBE JUST A THOUGHT, I KNOW THE RULES SAY THAT WE SHOULD ALWAYS ACCOMMODATE FOR TWO VEHICLES TO PARK. BUT THE TRUTH IS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MORE THAN TWO VEHICLES. >> CORRECT. >> THEY DON'T USE THE GARAGE. THEY ACTUALLY JUST STAY IN THE PAVEMENT, SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO SOMETHING WHERE IT FITS [INAUDIBLE], AND THEN THERE'S STILL THE GARAGE OR HOWEVER THE STRUCTURES. >> YOU GOT THE DEPTH ON THE BACK SIDE, SO WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO FOLLOW THE CODE BECAUSE WE ALREADY CHANGED IN THE CODE. IF YOU WANT GO ELECTION, WE'LL BE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. >> ALWAYS GO MORE. >> MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHY ARE YOU LEAVING THE TOP OPEN? DO YOU NOT OWN THAT PARCEL AT THE TOP? >> ON CEDAR. >> BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS THAT THERE'S ALMOST EXACTLY A WHOLE LOT THERE BETWEEN THE NEXT NEIGHBOR AND YOU, IS THAT FOR ANY REASON? >> NO, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS TRACK. IT'S OWNED BY A DIFFERENT OWNER. >> OWNED BY A DIFFERENT OWNER. BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, YOU'RE PUTTING A HOUSE WHERE A ROAD COULD GO. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, TORRIANS, IN HIS FEASIBILITY STAGE, HE HASN'T CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE WANTED TO RUN BY YOU ALL. HIS INTEREST WOULD BE TO NOT CLOSE THAT ROAD THIS CINCINNATI IS NOT A MAJOR COLLECTOR OR LOCAL ROAD. I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S REALLY A BENEFIT TO CONNECTING IT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE WANTED TO RUN BY YOU ALL. >> [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S THE END OF THE ROAD RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE IT. >> CORRECT. >> IT'S JUST SITTING THERE. >> CORRECT. THEN WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT NEIGHBOR THAT'S ON THE EAST END. THAT IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE AND HE'S USING THAT AS HIS PERSONAL PARKING DRIVEWAYS. >> I DROVE IN I SAW IT. I KNOW CINCINNATI IS NOT A MAJOR COLLECTOR, BUT IF YOU DRIVE THAT AREA BETWEEN ROCK ISLAND AND CINCINNATI AND THEN WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? WELL, HEARST COMES DOWN, BUT IT'S THE ROADS ALL DO THIS. THERE'S NO REAL STRUCTURE TO THE ROADS OVER THERE. >> I WAS THINKING, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY CONNECT A BLOCK, FINALLY. >> IS THAT A DEAL BREAKER FOR YOU? >> WE HAVEN'T GOT CALLS TO WHAT THAT ROAD WILL BE, BUT IT'S POTENTIAL DEAL BREAKER. >> LET ME GO, I THINK YOU SAID WAS OPEN OR WAS NOT OPEN. WHAT DID YOU SAY TO CLOSING OFF THE ROAD? I'M SORRY, TORRIAN, MAYBE YOU CAN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. YOU DON'T WANT THAT ROAD TO GO THROUGH. YOU USE THAT SPACE TO SELL A HOUSE? >> CORRECT. >> I SAY IN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, WE DID DISCUSS THAT POTENTIAL, AND WE DID CHECK THE MASTER STREET PLAN. IT WAS NOT A CONNECTION THAT WAS ON OUR MASTER STREET PLAN, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. >> WHAT IS THE DISTANCE? IS IT 290? IT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER 60 FEET. I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING LET'S BACK TO THE LOTS. JOHN, I GENERALLY AGREE WITH CONNECTING STREETS BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU TURN IT TO MAZES. >> THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN DOWN THAT AREA, FOR SURE. >> IT'S ABOUT 400 FEET, SO PRETTY PRICEY. >> LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HEARST JUST DEAD ENDS. IT NEVER WENT INTO MAGNOLIA. ROCK ISLAND COMES AROUND AND GOES AROUND. [01:05:04] >> I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF DEVELOPING A MAZE. IT'S A NICE AREA THAT COULD BE. >> 60-FOOT LOT. >> 60-FOOT LOT. >> WHAT'S GOING TO BE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD CROSS POINT? >> I THINK AROUND TWO, MAYBE THREE.. >> I WISH, SINCE WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS I COULD HAVE BROUGHT LIKE A BIGGER BLOW-UP OF THE AERIAL HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW THAT ON THE EAST SIDE YOU HAVE TWO BIG LOTS WITH PERSONAL RESIDENCES THERE? I JUST DON'T SEE A REALLY NEED TO CONNECT A ROAD TOGETHER WHEN IT'S JUST THE TWO LOTS ON THAT SIDE, AND THEN THE SEVEN THAT TORRIAN IS PROPOSING. IT'S A VERY LOW-DENSITY SITUATION. >> YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE OTHER SIDE? >> CORRECT. >> I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL IS WILLING TO GO, I SEE NOTHING AGAINST IT. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE NOT TO CONNECT THE ROAD. >> HOW LARGE DID YOU SAY THESE HOUSES WERE GOING TO BE? >> 1,700 TO 1,800. >> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WHAT HE HAS SHOWING THE REPRESENTATION OF THE HOUSE IS DEFINITELY NOT TO SCALE. >> THAT'S A BIG BLOCK FOR A 1,800 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. >> ONE STORE-Y HOUSES? >> YEAH. >> I FOUND IT ON THE MAP WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> WHERE ELSE HAVE YOU BUILT? >> WEST COLOMBIA. >> WHAT SIZES, AND WHAT? >> I BUILT TWO TRIPLEXES AROUND 3,000 SQUARE FEET, AND A DUPLEX AROUND 2,000 SQUARE FEET. >> HAVE YOU DONE THIS BASED OFF OF ANYWHERE ELSE THAT YOU'VE SEEN? >> THIS BLOCK? >> YES. >> NO. NOTHING PARTICULAR. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING PARTICULAR. I JUST RUN AROUND THE CITY, AND I SEE THIS LOT AND I FELT LIKE IT WOULD BE A GOOD LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. >> I LIKE YOUR IDEA. I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND JOHN'S CONCERN. >> I'M NOT AGAINST THE HOUSE. I'M FINE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. IT'S JUST THE ROAD IS THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK ABOUT. BUT IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE FOREVER TIME I SAW. >> DRIVE ME BACK. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THESE THINGS COME UP, WE LIKE TO MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO IMPROVE THE AREA BY CONNECTING ROADWAYS. THAT'S ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THIS COUNCIL. INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY BY CONNECTING ROADS THAT WERE NOT CONNECTED IN THE PAST. >> IF YOU WERE GOING TO CONNECT IT FROM THE CURVE WHERE WOULD IT GO? >> STRAIGHT ACROSS. >> GOES STRAIGHT OVER TO THE CON. >> THE CON. >> WHICH HAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON IT. >> BRENDA, DO YOU HAVE AN AREA OF THAT? >> I GOT TO BE HONEST. WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS PREPARING FOR TONIGHT, I DID NOT CATCH THE CONNECTION PIECE. I'M STILL GETTING MY HEAD AROUND IT IF THAT MAKES SENSE THAT THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT I LIKE TO THINK ABOUT AND NOT JUST JUMP INTO THINGS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M SURE YOU DO THE SAME THING. [BACKGROUND] [01:10:03] >> DID YOU SAY SOMETHING A MINUTE AGO THAT MASTER ROAD PLAN DOESN'T HAVE THESE CONNECTING. HOW IS THAT? >> I ONLY CONSULTED WITH THE ADOPTED THROUGH THE PLAN. [BACKGROUND] IT NEVER SHOWED? >> THERE'S NOT A CORNER CONNECTION RIGHT. >> THAT'S OUR FORCE. >> ON THE CAD MAP, [12. Discussion of a concept review of a Preliminary Layout for the property at 416 N. Tinsley Street at Cincinnati Street, proposed by Torrian Miller for a 7-lot single residential subdivision, located on property zoned Multi-Family-29 Zoning District. ] AND THE CINCINNATI AND PICON DOESN'T EVEN LINE UP. IF WE WERE TO HAVE A RIDE AWAY RIGHT THERE? >> IT DOES, I'VE DRIVEN IN IT. >> NO. I'M SAYING ACCORDING TO THE CAD MAP. >> I WILL SAY THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TRIED TO MARKET THE PROPERTY. SHE ACTUALLY TOOK IT OFF TO MARKET. SHE CALLED TODAY. SHE'S IN SUPPORT OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. SHE'S JUST PROBABLY LISTENING, BUT SHE DID NOT ATTEND. BUT THAT'S WHERE IT LIES TODAY. >> MAYBE I KNOW I'M ASKING FOR A LOT. SHE'S LISTENING AND KNOWS MR. MILLER WANTS TO BUILD A NICE PRODUCT AND KNOWS THE CITY ALSO WANTS TO BUILD A ROAD. MAYBE SHE'LL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN SHE GOES TO SELL IT. PROBABLY NOT. JUST WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS IF THE CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT, IT'S A REAL, THEY'RE DEEP LOTS. WE MAY LOOK IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE IF WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT ROAD, MAYBE WE WOULD BUILD LIKE A CUL-DE-SAC OFF OF IT, AND MAKE A DOUBLE RURAL HOUSES ON. IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW WHAT TORRE'S TRYING TO DO THE PATH AT LEAST RESISTANCE AND JUST SIMPLY BUILD ON AN EXISTING ROAD THAT'S THERE. >> YOU KNOW THAT OPTION, YOU JUST LIST IT OFF SO SOUNDS NICE BEING THAT THIS IS NOT DEVELOPMENT ADVICE. I'M NOT A DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, BUT YOU LEAVE A LOT ON THE TABLE WITH THE 290 FOOT DEEP LOT, AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW THAT. >> BUT IT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. WE WOULD. >> THERE'S TOWN HOMES RIGHT THERE, THERE'S APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE. >> THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. BUT, THIS WAS A PATH WE WANTED, LET'S GO WITH FORWARD. MOST AND YOU KNOW, THIS OR 6.37.2, USUALLY IS 100, 20, 50. YOU'D HAVE PLENTY OF ROAD PLUS A 30,28 FOOT ROAD TO PUT IN BETWEEN. >> WE JUST DID THE MATH DOWN HERE. >> WE'RE NOT DOING A CONCRETE STREET. WE'RE DOING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, WHICH IS DITCH AND CONNECTING THE EXISTING ROAD. >> I DON'T THINK YOU COULD, I COULD CHANGE THE FLOW OF THE. YOU CAN, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO DO TAPERS. >> ENDED UP LOOKING LIKE ANGLETON BOULEVARD LOOKED ON THE BACK OF BASTROP, DALLAS, AND THOSE GUYS FOR THE LONGEST TIME. I'M NOT APPOSED TO THAT IF YOU WANT TO DO, USE THAT BACK AREA. >> GENERALLY, THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING IS Y'ALL WANT THE CONNECTION. WE'LL TAKE THE TIME AND LOOK TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION. THE NUMBERS HAVE TO WORK. >> CORRECT. >> SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. >> IF IT DON'T WORK. COME BACK TO US. WE'RE FINE WITH IT. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I JUST HATE TO SEE US NOT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE HAVE IT. >> I THINK ALL OF US, HOUSES THERE. IT'S A GOOD THING. APPRECIATE YOU COMING BEFORE COUNSEL. I APPRECIATE YOU [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE WANT YOU IN ANGLETON. WE WANT HOMES BUILT. ESPECIALLY IN BUILD LOTS LIKE THAT, LOTS THAT ARE LEFT. >> MR. MILLER, DON'T TAKE THIS AS NEGATIVITY. WE'RE JUST KICKING IDEAS AROUND WITH YOU. >> YOU'VE GOT BEAUTIFUL TREES THERE. YOU'VE GOT SCHOOL THERE, GOT WALKABILITY THERE, ATV. >> MR. JANIC [LAUGHTER] >> TWO YOU KNOW. >> IT'LL BE SOMETHING OF MY OWN TAKEN OUT REALLY. >> ME TOO. THAT'S RIGHT. >> WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ALL HAD OR CONCERNS? >> NO. THERE WAS NO ACTION WE COULD TAKE ANYWAYS TONIGHT, BUT I'M GLAD WE HAD TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO MOVE FORWARD. >> I DEFINITELY LIKE THE IDEA OF CHANGING MULTI FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY. I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT. >> ESPECIALLY IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. >> WE HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES. [01:15:03] >> FANTASTIC. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NOTICE, BEFORE WE GO ON, I SAW THAT SO WE DID CHANGE THE SETBACKS TO 35 FEET. BUT THEN FOR OUR PAPERWORK, ON PAGE 178, IF YOU GO DOWN, IT SAYS TO PARKING REGULATIONS. IT SAYS FOR DRIVEWAYS TO HAVE A MINIMUM LENGTH OF 25 FEET. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO VOTE ON TO LINK THEM TO 35. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT 6.3 THAT YOU SEE. >> THE PARKING REGULATION RIGHT HERE? >> PAGE 178. >> I'M SORRY. >> THE 25 FEET? >> DO WE NEED TO EXTEND THAT TO 35? DOES THAT NEED TO BE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO MATCH YOU HAVE SET BACK. >> [OVERLAPPING] MODIFY THE TEXT. IT WOULD BE A TEXT AMENDMENT ADJUSTMENT TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING. WE DO HAVE SOME UPCOMING TEXT AMENDMENTS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ENTERTAIN IN THE FUTURE AS WE LOOK CLOSER. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON TO NUMBER 13. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN APPLICATION FOR [13. Discussion and Possible Action on an application for the Tree Mitigation Site Plan for the Windrose Green community, located at the intersection of FM 523 and Windrose Green Blvd, directly east of Angleton High School. ] THE TREE MITIGATION SITE PLAN FOR THE WINDROSE GREEN COMMUNITY LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF FM 523, AND WINROSE GREEN BOULEVARD, DIRECTLY EAST OF ANGLETON HIGH SCHOOL. NOTICE? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU, AND ALSO THE NEXT, DEAL WITH THE HERITAGE TREE SECTION OF OUR CODE AS IT RELATES TO THE WINROSE GREEN DEVELOPMENT. THIS PARTICULAR ITEM DID GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. STAFF, AS WELL AS THE CITY ENGINEER HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS ITEM FOR QUITE SOME TIME DUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DETENTION POND OF FREEDOM PARK, THE FREEDOM DETENTION POND, WHICH IS ALSO RELATED TO THIS. WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WENT IN, AS YOU CAN SEE, IN THE COVER, THE REQUIREMENT 3 TO 1 RATIO REPLACEMENT ON THE TREE CALIPER WAS A REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME. YOU'LL SEE THE INFORMATION ATTACHED IN TERMS OF AT THE TIME OF PLANTING, THEY CAME UP WITH A DIFFERENT CALIPER OF TREE THAT WAS PLANTED, BUT TIME HAS ELAPSED SINCE FIRST IMPLEMENTATION, AND SOME OF THOSE TREES HAVE MATURED. WITHIN THE DETAILS, AND I WILL SAY WITH THIS ITEM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD TAKE A STEP BACK LOOK AT THE DISCREPANCIES OF THE REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME OF PLANTING VERSUS WHAT THAT REDUCTION WAS AND FIGURE OUT, HOW CAN SOME IN LIEU OF CONTRIBUTION BE PAID BACK TO THE CITY TO REPLACE SOME OF THOSE TREAT MASSES? WE DO HAVE A FEW OPTIONS THAT COULD OCCUR. AS A RESULT. I'M GOING TO TAKE A STEP BACK ONCE I INTRODUCE SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN PRESENT TO YOU BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING ARE SOME VARIATIONS OF THE REQUIREMENTS, AND WE MADE IT CLEAR THAT IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD GRANT ANY WAIVERS. IT WAS A FUNCTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE ANY CREDITS OR WAIVERS OF THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE'LL DISCUSS THAT 3 TO 1 RATIO IN TERMS OF THE MITIGATION RATE OF THE TREES, AND COME UP WITH SOME METHOD HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE WAS 5 TO 0 AS YOU SAW IN THE MOTION. THAT, THAT WOULD OCCUR, THAT THEY WOULD TAKE A STEP BACK AND RECALCULATE WHAT THOSE CREDITS WOULD BE AND PRESENT THAT TO THE COUNSEL FOR FINAL ACTION. CITY ENGINEER IS HERE. THERE'S A LETTER THAT'S ATTACHED THAT ALSO CALCULATES WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HERITAGE STREET WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE TIME OF PLANTING, AND VERSUS WHAT COLOR REPLACEMENT SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED. I WILL TAKE A STEP BACK AND LET THE APPLICANTS PRESENT TO YOU, AND THEN STAFF AS WELL AS THE CITY ENGINEER WILL COME BACK SO THAT WE CAN CLARIFY ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL WILL HAVE AS WE LAID THIS OUT. >> LET ME GET THE STRAIGHT. WE PLANTED TREES. TREES GROW AS TREES DO, AND NOW WE'RE EXPECTING THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS TREES BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE TREES CURRENTLY, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? >> STAFF IS STILL ASKING FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE HERITAGE TREE RATIO REQUIREMENTS. THE CALCULATIONS ARE HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT TREES WERE BEING REPLACED IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CALIPER. BUT WHATEVER DISCREPANCIES WILL COME INTO THIS CONVERSATION, [01:20:02] WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT AFTERWARDS. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WAS PLANTED, WHAT MET THE STANDARD, AND THEN WHAT THE IN BETWEEN NUMBER IS, AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS ANY TYPE OF AN CONTRIBUTION THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR. NOT AN EASY CONVERSATION, BUT I THINK LET'S LET THEM PRESENT IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNSEL. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL DERIVE ANY QUESTIONS AND GET THOSE ANSWERED. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, OTIS. MY NAME IS JOE. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE COMING OFF GUARD WITH THE POWER QUESTION EARLIER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT OF TREES. THEY'RE STARTING AT THE VERY BEGINNING. THERE WERE 24 TREES REMOVED. WHEN YOU DO THE 3 TO 1 RATIO THAT YOU ALL REQUIRE, THAT EQUATES TO 594". IS THE TABLE AND. >> TREE GOING DOWN. >> THIS IS GOING TO HELP. JUST WALKING THROUGH IT SO 24 WHICH WHAT WAS REMOVED WAS 198 CALIPER INCHES, 198 TIMES 30 GETS US TO THE 594. PHASE 1, THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN PLANTED. WE PLANTED 145 OF THEM. I'M GOING TO PAUSE ON THE CALIPER INCHES. THOSE WERE PLANTED IN LATE SUMMER EARLY FALL OF 2022. THE TIMING IS IMPORTANT HERE. PHASE 2 TREES, THERE WAS 26 OF THOSE. THOSE WERE PLANTED IN THE SAME TIME FRAME, BUT IN 2024 SO LATE SUMMER EARLY FALL OF 2024. PHASE 3 IS PROPOSED, SO WE HAVE NOT PLANTED THOSE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S 43 TREES LISTED. HOW WE GOT TO THAT NUMBER WAS BY MATH. THE CALIPER INCHES THAT ARE LISTED IN PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2, WE CONDUCTED A TREE SURVEY IN THE FALL OF 2024. THE DISCREPANCY THAT OTIS WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND THIS IS WHAT CAME UP IN P&Z. SOMEBODY, VERY RIGHTFULLY SO ASKED THE QUESTION OF, IF PHASE 1 TREES WERE PLANTED IN LATE SUMMER OR FALL OF 2022, AND IN THE FALL OF 2024, YOU GET THE 389.5 CALIPER INCHES, IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THAT WHEN WE PLANTED THOSE TREES, THEY WERE NOT 389.5 CALIPER INCHES, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY YES SO 100% AGREE IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE SCIENCE, THAT, THAT IS THE CASE. THE QUESTION I ACTUALLY ASKED IN P&Z WAS, IF ANYBODY KNEW HOW FAST TREES GROW BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MATH PROBLEM, AND JUST COME BACKWARDS. THAT'S WHERE THEY REQUESTED THAT WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF. WHAT I'VE DONE, I ACTUALLY CHATTED WITH OUR ARBORIST WHO CONDUCTED THE TREE SURVEY, AND HE SAID, IN THAT TWO YEARS GAP OF TIME BASED ON THE SPECIES OF TREES, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD HAVE GROWN TEN TO 20%. THE RANGE OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE CONDITIONS. PERFECT CONDITIONS FOR TREES TO GROW WOULD HAVE BEEN 20%. LESS THAN IDEAL CONDITIONS TO GROW WOULD BE 10%. IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT PERFECT. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE. FOR THIS CONVERSATION, AGAIN, PHASE 3 NOT YET PLANTED, PHASE 2, WHAT WAS PLANTED WAS RIGHT WHEN WE DID THAT TREE SURVEY. PHASE 1 IS WHAT'S IN QUESTION HERE, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE HAVE A CONVERSATION AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT PERCENTAGE WE SHOULD REDUCE THE 389. THEN WE WILL GO TAKE WHATEVER THAT NUMBER EQUATES TO AND ADD THAT INTO OUR PHASE 3 SO THAT WE ARE STILL GETTING TO THE TOTAL OF 594, YOU CAN SEE WHERE AT 596, BUT WE'LL GET TWO OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE 594 CALIPER INCHES, LIKE 15% IN THE MIDDLE OF 10-20%. >> DO YOU NOT HAVE YOUR ORIGINAL TREE ORDER? >> ORIGINAL TREE ORDER? >> WHEN YOU ORDERED THE TREES TO PLANT? >> THEY DIDN'T MEASURE. >> IT'S ACTUALLY A FAIR QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT I COULD DIG THAT OUT. WE'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION. I'D HAVE TO DO SOME DIGGING. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. I WAS NOT ON THE TEAM AT THE TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I COULD DIG THAT UP AND I HAVE TO DO SO IN REPORTING TO JUST SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. [01:25:02] >> I WOULD SAVE SOME DEBATE AND SOME MATH AND SOME ESTIMATIONS. >> YOU'RE TALKING. >> IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL'S DECISION. >> I LIKE 20%. YOU LIKE 10%? >> I LIKE 15%. IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF 10 AND 20? >> SOUNDS FAIR TO ME. >> YOU'RE JUST GUESSTIMATING. >> THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS? WAS OUR MITIGATION PLAN IN PLACE AT THE TIME OF THE AGREEMENT? >> I'M NOT SURE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING OTHER? >> YES. >> MAYBE HE ISSUES. >> THINGS GET MOVING, BUT IT GOT OVERLOOKED. YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS, MOVE THINGS THROUGH. MAYBE THE RESOURCES WEREN'T THERE TO MATCH AT THE TIME, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT TO GO TO A TREE FARM, YOU GOT TO ACQUIRE THESE TREES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BULK, OR AT LEAST YOU'D LIKE TO BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU GET A MORE FAVORABLE RATE. BUT THAT I GUESS IS SPILLED MILK. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT NOW, THAT'S IN THE PAST. >> IF YOU LOOK AT PHASE 2, WHICH THOSE WERE THE ONES YOU WERE ABLE TO MEASURE AT PLANNING. OR CLOSE TO, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. YES. >> 78/26 = 30. IF YOU FIGURE WHATEVER NUMBER OF CALIPER INCHES YOU TAKE AWAY AS A PERCENTAGE. IF WE SAID 15 INSTEAD OF 20, YOU GOT TO FIGURE IT'S 5% OF WHATEVER NUMBER THAT IS AND 30 INCHES EQUALS A THREE. HOW MANY TREES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? >> HUNDRED AND NINETY EIGHT WAS REMOVED. >> HUNDRED AND NINETY EIGHT CALIPER INCHES. >> RIGHT, 24 TREES THAT TOTAL THE 198. >> WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? >> LET ME GET TO DO AND SOME MATH. >> COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU ON THE CALIPER INCHES. WE HAVE TO ADD TO THIS TABLE, WHICH WE'LL JUST GO INTO PHASE 3, AND THEN FOR THIS SPECIFIC ITEM, WE'LL BE GOOD TO GO AND THAT'LL PUT TO BED THE TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS WITHIN WINNERS GREEN. THE NEXT TOPIC IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF WINNERS GREEN. >> I FOUND IT. DECEMBER 2022, YOU ALL INSTALLED A TOTAL OF 347 CALIPER INCHES. >> I AM VERY IMPRESSED, AND A LITTLE EMBARRASSED. [LAUGHTER] THAT YOU HAVE THAT IN. WE DO NOT. >> GOOGLE. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT WAS? >> GOOGLE. >> NO MY APOLOGIES THE NUMBER. >> THREE HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN. >> SIMPLE, THAT FALLS IN THAT 10-20% WINDOW. I AM OKAY GOING WITH THE 347, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 42 CALIPER INCHES. AGAIN, WE'LL ADD THAT INTO OUR PHASE 3 BECAUSE THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN PLANTED YET. THEN THE TOTAL WILL STILL BE RIGHT AT THE 596 CALIPER INCHES, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE 594. >> HOW MANY [OVERLAPPING] CALIPER INCHES DID YOU SAY THE DEAL TO WAS? >> IT'S 347. >> WHERE WOULD YOU DO THAT IN THE TREES SOME. >> THAT IS PHASE 1. >> WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY REMOVING [OVERLAPPING]. NO NO, WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANYTHING. IT JUST THE CREDIT THAT WE GOT FOR THE TREES IS WHAT'S BEING REDUCED. NOT THE NUMBER OF TREES. ALL THE TREES ARE SAYING. IT'S JUST THAT THE CREDIT, [01:30:01] WE, YOU COMPLETELY RECOGNIZE ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT, A TWO YEAR GAP IS TOO BIG OF A GAP TO GET THE CREDIT AFTER THAT TIME. IT WAS A MONTH. MAYBE IT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, TWO YEARS ISN'T THAT. >> DO YOU HAVE SOME JOE, DO YOU HAVE SOME? >> YOUR MATH. >> I JUST DID SOME MATH. AT A THREE INCH TREE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DELTA THERE, I THINK THE NUMBERS I GOT WERE GOING TO BE 25 ADDITIONAL TREES AT THE 20%, IT WOULD BE 20, IS THAT RIGHT? IS IT SAID 20 AT OTHER 15 AND I THINK AN ADDITIONAL 15 AT 10%. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. >> OF 10? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF FIVE TREES. IT'S THE MATH I DID IN MY HEAD. WHAT NUMBER DO WE SAY 40 SOMETHING INCHES? >> YEAH 42 INCHES OF THE DELTA BETWEEN THE 389 AND THE 347? >>SHOULD TAKEN AS 15%? >> I'LL DO THE 15%. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ROUND IT UP I'M FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 102 TREES. >> WELL, SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE WHAT YOU AIN'T GOING TO DO TO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO? >> WELL, I'M SORRY. COULD YOU EXPLAIN ON THAT? >> IF YOU HAVEN'T PURCHASED THE TREES, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVEN'T PLANTED THE TREES, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING FIVE ADDITIONAL TREES? >> BECAUSE THE TREES THAT HE PURCHASED WHEN WE TAKE THE NUMBER OF TREES AND DIVIDE THEM BY THE CALIPER INCHES, WE GET AN AVERAGE OF 30 INCHES PER TREE TRUNK. >> I UNDERSTAND THE MATH. I'M SAYING. >> HOW DO YOU KNOW. >> HOW DO YOU KNOW HE GOT FIVE EXTRA, HOW DO WE KNOW HE'S GIVEN HIS 20 VERSUS 25? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S ALL. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M HAPPY CODE ENFORCEMENT. >> BLUE FEET? >> YEAH. >> I'M HAPPY TO FACE [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> TRUST US WE QUIT 25. [LAUGHTER] WE KNOW THIS I'M JUST SAYING SORRY. I'M ALL FOR EXTRA TREES. I LOVE TREES. THEY ARE LONG TERM VALUE HOLD, AND WAY OVER. IT WILL BRIDGE HUGE ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. >> IF YOU BUY THE TREES, DO YOU HAVE A RECEIPT? >> YES. BUT SECONDLY SPEAKING THAT DIDN'T PROVE THEY WERE PLANTED. BUT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO IF WE WANT TO DO A TREE SURVEY. >> I'M JUST SAYING IF. [OVERLAPPING] >> YES. IS THAT HOW WE GOT HERE? SOMEBODY DID A SURVEY ON IT AND SAID. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, THERE WAS A TREE SURVEY CONDUCTED. ACTUALLY [OVERLAPPING]. >> BOTH THE COUNTS AND THE CACHES ARE GUARANTEED. >> TWO TREE SURVEYS WORTH THERE? >> WE'VE DONE ONE, BUT I'M GUESSING WE'VE DONE ONE A LOT EARLIER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE KNOWN HOW 24 TREES EQUATED TO 198. >> PRETTY SURE. >> SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE TREE SURVEY. CAN I JUST RECORD IT? >> [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> I'M OKAY WITH 15%. >> COUNCILS [INAUDIBLE] >> THERE YOU GO. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT YOUR OFFER TO DO THE 15% ON THE ADDER TO THE RATIO OF TREES YOU'RE GOING TO PLANT. >> THAT'LL BE JUST UNDER 60 CALIPER INCHES, JUST VERY HIGH LEVEL MATH. I HAVE MY PHONE COPY THAT, JUST YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> 58.35, I THINK. >> THANK YOU. >> I GOT A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. MOTION BY COUNCIL SARTON. SECOND BY COUNCIL DANIEL. >> YES. FOLLOW UP QUESTION, THOUGH. WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE YOU SAID SECTION 3? >> PHASE 3. TIMING WISE NEXT YEAR. I CAN'T AT THE MOMENT NARROW DOWN WHAT WE HAD DONE MORE. >> I HATE TO DO THIS JOB, BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COUNT THE TREES AND THE INCHES. [LAUGHTER] IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, WE GOT TO FALL THROUGH. THAT'S ALL. >> NOTICE, YOU HAVE THAT, KYLE? >> YES, SIR. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING THEN, CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AS UNOPPOSED SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THAT WAS FINE. LET'S DO IT AGAIN. AT NUMBER 14 DISCUSSION [OVERLAPPING] >> ARE YOU ALL TO ENTERTAINED? [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK IT GOES BACK TO. [01:35:01] >> ITEM 14, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPLICATION FOR TREAT MITIGATION PLAN FOR [14. Discussion and Possible Action on an application for Tree Mitigation Plan for the Freedom Park - Detention and Drainage Project, located south of FM 523 and north of Freedom Park. ] THE FREEDOM PARK DETENTION AND DRAINAGE PROJECT LOCATED SOUTH OF FM523 AND NORTH OF FREEDOM PARK. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS IS PART TWO, TREE MITIGATION PLAN FOR FREEDOM PARK DETENTION AND DRAINAGE PROJECT. WE FORWARDED THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS ITEM AS WELL. AS YOU NOTED, YOU WOULD SEE IN THE MINUTES, WHICH WE COPIED YOU ON THAT THE APPLICANTS MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT AT THE TIME OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, IT WAS DEEMED THAT THIS WAS A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT, AND THAT THE 3:1 RATIO WAS DISCUSSED BY ADMINISTRATION AT THAT TIME AND THAT THEY WOULD GO BY A 1:1 RATIO IN TERMS OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TREES. SAME CALCULATIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, CD ENGINEER DID REVIEW IT IN TERMS OF THAT REPLACEMENT OF THE REMOVAL OF THE 41 TREES AND THE REPLACEMENT VALUES. THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPTED TO DETERMINED THAT NO FURTHER MITIGATION OF THESE TREES WAS NECESSARY AND THAT IT WOULD GO AS RECOMMENDED WITH THE REPLACEMENT VALUE. I WILL LET THE APPLICANT COME AND PRESENT THIS ITEM, AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS A FOLLOW UP. >> MAKE A DEAL. >> I AM JOE. I MENTIONED EARLIER HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WINNERS GREEN, SO THAT IS THIS TOPIC, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WORK WE DID WITHIN FREEDOM PARK. THEN SPECIFICALLY, THE IMPACT ON TREES THERE ITSELF. ACTUALLY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD. I THINK OTIS DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF JUST EXPLAINING WHERE WE'RE AT. WE HAVE A TABLE HERE. I JUST ONE THING ANOTHER SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IS THIS IS NOT REPLACEMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVATION HERE. I ACTUALLY JUST GO TO STOP THERE AND OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS. I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN FURTHER. I THINK OTIS DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB ALREADY. >> I WISH WE HAD JASON HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PARK NEEDS ARE. >> COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE MORE OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. IN MY UNDERSTANDING YOU SAID IT'S A 3:01, BUT THEN THERE WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION, IS THAT THE WORDS ARE? >> THERE WAS NO DECISION GOING. >> THERE WAS NO OFFICIAL DECISION. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS FROM OUR SIDE AND CITY STAFF, INCLUDING THAT THIS WOULD BE TREATED AT A 1:1 INSTEAD OF THE 3:1. THERE WAS NO OFFICIAL DECISION MADE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND MAKES THIS ALL MUCH EASIER. BUT THERE WERE THOSE CONVERSATION IS GOING BACK LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO NOW WITH STAFF AND FOUR YEARS HERE. >> WHO IS THE STAFF? >> CHRIS AND. >> MEGAN. >> WALTER. MEGAN WAS PART OF IT AT ONE POINT, AS WELL. I HAVE SOME EMAILS. I KNOW MORRIS WILL TALKED ABOUT THE REASON I DIDN'T IS THERE'S NOTHING'S CLEAR. LIKE NOTHING IS JUST, LIKE, 100%. THIS IS EXACTLY THE CONVERSATIONS WERE ABOUT THE FACT THAT FREEDOM PARK IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT WINNERS GREEN THAT'S TURNING INTO LOTS. IT IS A PARK, IT IS A CITY OWNED PARK. THE WORK WE DID INSIDE OF THAT, SPECIFIC TO DRAINAGE DID NOT SOLELY IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE OF WINNERS GREEN. IT IMPROVED THE DRAINAGE OF THE ENTIRE WATERSHED. THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THE KEY POINT IN THE CONVERSATION. I'M NOT SURE THIS HELPS AT ALL, BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IT'S WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT AT 1:01, OR ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 2:1. BUT I DO RECOGNIZE THAT'S NOT EXACTLY. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 2:1 VERSES 1:1. >> MY OPINIONS ARE I RESPECT THE POSITION OF P&Z, AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH WHAT P&Z RECOMMENDED. [01:40:02] BUT THAT'S UP TO THIS COUNCIL. >> WORKS FOR ME. >> IS THAT A MOTION? >> SURE. >> HOLD ON 1 SECOND, SO THERE WERE NEVER ANY REPLANTED FOR FREEDOM? >> THAT IS CORRECT. THIS FALLS UNDER THE PRESERVATION GUIDELINES, WHICH YOU WANT. >> IF YOU ALL DON'T MIND. LET'S PULL UP PAGE 227 TO GET A RULE HISTORY, I THINK ON IT. IN TERMS OF THE TREE REMOVAL, AND THEN HOW WE DERIVE THAT THE TREES LOST BECAUSE THERE WERE ALSO OTHER CALCULATIONS THAT YOU SEE IN THE COVER MEMO DONE BY HDR. >> I'LL LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S WHAT I FOUND ON GOOGLE. YOU DOCUMENTS INCLUDED. I MISSED THAT, AND THANK YOU. >> I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS DURING THE TIME WHEN MEGAN WAS HERE, AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS PARTICULAR LETTER AND MEMO TO THE APPLICANTS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF HERITAGE TREES THAT WERE REMOVED. THE 455 INCHES THAT WAS ALLUDED TO. YOU CAN DO THE REPLACMENT OR THE IN LU. IT'S ON PAGE 2. >> THAT WAS THE OTHER CALCULATION THAT WAS DONE BY HDR AS WELL. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN THIS LETTER, SO GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. I'LL WALK YOU ALL THROUGH IT. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE DID WAS WE WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SURVEY THAT WAS DONE ON DECEMBER 13, 2022. THERE WERE TWO SURVEYS DONE. THAT SURVEY IDENTIFIED THERE WERE 34 LIVE OAK TREES WITH A TOTAL CALIPER OF 455 INCHES IN THE FREEDOM PARK. I WANTED TO NOTE. I MADE SOME NOTES IN THERE ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER TREES THAT WERE IN POOR CONDITION, AND OTHER TREES THAT WERE REMOVED, IDENTIFIED IN EXHIBIT 2B, WHICH WAS IN HERE. HERITAGE TREES MUST BE ACCOUNTED FOR BY MULTIPLYING OR MOVING CALIBER INCHES BY THREE TIMES THE AGGREGATE, WHAT IT IS. WHEN YOU TOOK THAT NUMBER, MULTIPLIED BY THREE TO GIVE YOU A TOTAL AGGREGATE INCHES OF FREEDOM PARK AGAIN, IS 1,365. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE PLAN, THE LATEST PLANTING PLAN THAT GOT THIS THING STARTED WHAT WAS GOING ON. THEY HAD 91 LIVE OAK TREES ATTACHED TO THE MEMO. HOWEVER, THERE WERE THREE CALIBERS PLAN WE'RE ONLY AT 2.5 INCHES, NOT THE 3 INCHES. THAT'S WHERE THIS IS ALL COMING FROM. TREES THAT WERE PLANTED IN THE PREVIOUS THING AND ARE NOW NOT PLANTED TO CITY STANDARDS. BUT THEY WERE PLANTED. THEY'RE GROWING, THEY'RE HEALTHY. THERE'S NO REASON TO REMOVE THEM, SO THAT'S WHERE THIS CONVERSATION'S GOING. I WENT AHEAD AND MOVED ON FORWARD WITH IT. THROUGH THE THING AND TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF WHICH IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED. IF YOU JUST WENT STRICTLY BY WHAT IT IS, IS THE 455 CALIPER INCHES? WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THAT, AND WE'VE GOT A COST FROM A TREE SURVEYOR FOR TREES, 3 INCHES AND CALIPER, MEGAN HAS FOUND THAT. IT'S ABOUT $475 A TREE. WE CAME UP WITH WHAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD BE $216,000. BUT THAT IS NO TREES QUALIFY, THAT'S WHEN OVER THREE, WHICH TREES ARE HEALTHY, TREES ARE GROWING, TREES ARE BIGGER. THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT, BUT THAT SAT AT THREE TO ONE. BUT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS DONE AT THE COMMISSION WAS THAT WE'RE GOOD. THE COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO ACCEPT IT AS IT IS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY WHAT? >> ALMOST TWO TO ONE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. JUST TWO IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY. >> WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO JUST THE FEE AND LUTHER REPLACEMENT? [01:45:05] >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING THAT CAME UP, SO WE HAVE NOT PLANTED ANY TREES. THIS IS SO PRESERVATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'VE SEEN THAT WE PLANTED TREES IN WINDOWS GREEN. BUT IN FREEDOM PARK, THIS IS ALL PRESERVATION OF TREES. >> NEXT QUESTION. >> I SAID, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE FEE IN LIEU OF REPLACING? >> I MEAN, I WOULD GO BACK TO THE FACT WHERE THIS WORK WAS DONE, AND BEING A CITY-OWNED PARK, AND THE FACT THAT OUR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE IMPROVED THE ENTIRE WATERSHED. IT DID NOT JUST IMPROVE DRAINAGE FOR WINDOWS GREEN. WE ALSO, ON TOP OF THE BANK, MADE SURE TO LEAVE, I BELIEVE, 20 FOOT WIDE AREA THAT COULD BE USED FOR A TRAIL. IT WAS LIKE A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY THAT WE'VE MADE ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY, WINDOWS GREEN. >> BUT YOU ALSO USED THE DIRT TO BUILD UP YOUR SUBDIVISION? >> IT BENEFITS YOU. >> MY APOLOGIES. YES. WHAT WE DID THERE ALSO BENEFITED WINDOWS GREEN. I WASN'T CLEAR. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT DID IT. IT 100% BENEFITED THE WINDOWS GREEN COMMUNITY, BUT IT ALSO BENEFITED THE CITY WITH THOSE ITEMS I'VE DISCUSSED. >> THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO PAY THE FEE? DO YOU WANT TO PLANT SOME TREES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S THE AGREEMENT? >> THAT'S WHERE I AM. THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WE EITHER ENFORCE IT, OR WE DON'T. WHY WOULD WE NOT ENFORCE IT? >> I THINK MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE GO WITH PM Z'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE ONE-TO-ONE IS OKAY. WHERE WE CURRENTLY SIT, WE'RE GOOD ON THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT. >> I THINK MAKING A DEAL WITH TREES WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN GOING AFTER HIM FOR THE DAMAGE DONE ON HENDERSON BY THE DUMP TRUCKS. >> AMEN. HE IS RIPPED UP IN HIS SCAR. >> WE DON'T MIND. >> SINCE YOU MENTIONED HENDERSON LANE, WE ARE IMPROVING HENDERSON LANE. AS PART OF OUR TIA. WE ARE ADDING AN IN-TURN LANE THERE. IF THERE IS DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE, THAT WOULD BE REPAIRED AT THAT TIME. >> ARE YOU ALL AWARE OF THAT? >> YES. IT'S PART OF OUR TIA RE-TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. >>HECTOR, IS THAT PART OF THE OVERLAY? >> CORRECT. >> JOHN, THAT'S GOING TO FLOW IN LINE WITH YOUR OVERALL PLAN FOR HENDERSON? >> AS FAR AS THE OVERLAY WORK, THAT WOULD BE THE LAST PHASE. WE WOULDN'T GET TO THAT FOR A LONG TIME, SO THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THAT OVERLAY WOULD BE OVER BY THE TIME THAT WE GOT DOWN THERE TO IT. >> WHY WOULD WE OVERLAY A ROAD THAT'S ABOUT TO BE WIDENED? >> IT'S JUST AS I DON'T KNOW. I REMEMBER WHAT THE LENGTH OF IT WAS, WHAT IT IS, 100 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO ACCOMMODATE THE TURNING LANE TO TURN INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE WAY. IT'S JUST TO ACCOMMODATE TO TURN IN OFF HENDERSON. >> WE PUT THAT IN OUR OVERLAY LIST TO THE COUNTY. >> CORRECT. YES. >> SHOULDN'T THEY DO THE OVERLAY? RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA? >> I WOULD AGREE. YES. >>. DIDN'T WE CUT OUR OVERLAY SHORT ON THAT ROAD? >> YES. >> WHICH WOULD BE JUST ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE. >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL INFORMATION AND KNOW WHEN WE DISMISSED THIS ROAD. >> COUNSEL? WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU WANT TO GO? >> I GUESS WHAT I WAS GETTING BACK TO EARLIER IS THERE'S NOTHING BINDING. ON THESE COMMUNICATIONS YOU HAD WITH STAFF FROM THE CITY OF ANGLETON THAT RELINQUISHED THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT [01:50:04] THAT SOMEHOW REDUCED OR MITIGATED YOUR RESPONSIBILITY? >> CORRECT. YOU'RE USING THE TERM BINDING. >> I MEAN, THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATIONS IS WHAT I HEAR IN CASUAL CONVERSATIONS. CORRECT. PERHAPS, SURE, MAYBE SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY RECONSIDER, THINK ABOUT IT. >> THERE'S A VERY ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE EMAIL THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DIG UP FROM, GOING BACK [INAUDIBLE]. I WISH THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL DO BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULD NOT BE A GRAY AREA THAT WE'RE IN. BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. >> I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU PERSONALLY OVER IN MY POSITION, BUT I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. I DON'T MIND GIVING YOU CREDIT. BUT I UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS COUNSEL DIAS MAY DISAGREE. COUNSEL MEMBER DANIEL MAKES A GOOD POINT. >> WHAT IS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS, DUE TO TIME. THERE WAS NO WAY FOR US TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT CONTRIBUTION NEEDED TO BE. IN THIS INSTANCE, IF WE NEED TO DELAY THIS NUMBER ONE TO RESEARCH THE RECORD, WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY COMMUNICATIONS TO THAT EFFECT. THE HERITAGE TREE ORDINANCE APPLIES TO EVERYTHING WITHIN THE CD AS WELL AS THE ETJ. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING BY. >> HERE'S WHAT I KNOW, AND SOME PEOPLE CALL IT FALLACY, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M WILLING TO PERSONALLY JUST ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF, WORK WITH YOU TO FIND SOME PLACE WHERE WE CAN LAND. BUT THE IDEA THAT JUST IGNORE THE ORDINANCE OR DISREGARD OF A AGREEMENT, IT JUST GETS US IN A SITUATION WHERE OTHER DEVELOPERS AND THERE WILL BE FUTURE DEVELOPERS COMING, AND THEY'RE GOING TO JUST ASK FOR THE SAME WAIVERS. IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO STAND OUR GROUND, THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE WEAK. WE DON'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE WILLING TO STAND FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE, SO WE EITHER NEED TO TAKE IT OFF THE BOOK OR OUT OF OUR ORDINANCES, OR WE NEED TO HOLD TIGHT OR AT LEAST CLOSE THERE TOO. THAT'S WHERE I AM. >> UNDERSTOOD. I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. I KNOW I MENTIONED THIS NOW A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT IT'S THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS. IF THIS WAS INSIDE WINDOWS GREEN, COMMUNITY WE DEVELOPED, I'M NOT EVEN SURE I'D BOTHER ASKING. THEY'RE BRINGING THIS UP. THIS IS JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS IS AND THE FACT THAT THE CITY'S. THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE. >> JOHN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHEN YOU CAME UP TO THAT 216,000, THAT WAS BASED OFF OF THE ONE-TO-ONE, OR WAS THAT TO THE THREE E ONE? >> DOES SOMEBODY KNOW I REALIZE I SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS? YOUR FEE IN LIEU OF? WHAT IS THE CALCULATION? IS IT JUST ON HOW MUCH TIMES THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? >> 455 HERITAGE TREES AT $475.56 PER TREE, WHICH WERE ESTABLISHED BY WAGNER TREE FARM. THAT WAS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER TO GET TO THE 216,379. >> MY APOLOGY. I MEAN JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, E THAT SPECIFIC TO THIS, BUT HOW DO YOU ALL CALCULATE FEES IN LIEU OF? BECAUSE THIS WAS VERY SPECIFIC HOUSING. DO YOU HAVE $1 AMOUNT THAT YOU MULTIPLY BY PERKEL PER INCH? >> NO. HE WAS SAYING YOU CAN PLANT THE TREES OR YOU CAN PAY FOR THE TREES. I THINK IS WHAT HE'S SAYING. >> GO AHEAD. >> ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE DID WAS JUST LIKE WHEN SHE SAID, WE GOT AN ACTUAL BID FOR THE TREE REPLACEMENTS AND USE THAT AS FOOD. IT'S NOT LIKE A IN LIEU OF PARK, RIGHT WHERE I THINK THERE'S A DEAD SET FORMULA. [01:55:03] >> GOT YOU. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> ISN'T THIS. >> I PROMISE I'M NOT TEXTING SOMEBODY. I WAS JUST DOING CALCULATION. >> YOU KEEP SAYING THIS ISN'T OUR DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT WAS AN EXTENSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET YOU THE DIRT AND IT WAS A WAY THAT WAS VERY INVASIVE TO A LOT OF THE CITIZENS IN THAT AREA, INCLUDING HART HENDERSON ROAD, THE DAMAGE DONE BY THE DUMP TRUCKS, ALL OF THAT TIME BEING SPENT. IT WAS FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT, YOUR DIRT. WE WERE WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE THAT AREA AVAILABLE, AND IT JOBBED WITH WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AS A PARK DEVELOPMENT. BUT UNDER NO SENSE WAS THAT A CITY'S PROJECT? THAT WAS YOUR PROJECT AT THE TIME. ACTUALLY, AT ONE POINT, WE ASKED YOU FOR DIRT, AND WE HAD TO BUY OUR OWN. WE HAD TO HIRE THE DUMP TRUCKS TO HAUL OFF THAT EXTRA DIRT YOU HAD BECAUSE YOU HAD EXTRA DIRT. IT WAS PRETTY INVASIVE TO US. WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU, AND I THINK MAYOR JIM TOWNSEND SAID IT AS WELL. I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON IT. I JUST, WE'VE GOT TO STOP SAYING THAT IT'S NOT OUR DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS DEVELOPED FOR YOU AT THAT POINT TO USE THE DIRT. OTHERWISE, IT'D PROBABLY STILL BE SITTING THERE AS A WHOLE. >> IT WAS ALSO TO HELP OFFSET THE DRAINAGE IMPACTS TO THE RANCHO DITCH. >> BECAUSE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. >> BUT THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT THERE NEED TO BE OFFSET. >> BUT IT DID HELP OFFSET. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> RANCHO DITCH. >> IT DID. >> THEY DID PAY FOR THE BOX PORTION OF THE BOX COLBERT UNDER HENDERSON. THEY HAD BEEN A GOOD PARTNER. >> THEY HAVE. >> TO THE CITY ON THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA. >> WHICH IS WHY I WOULD BE OKAY WITH GOING TO A ONE-TO-ONE. BUT I'D ALSO SAY IF YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO PLANT THE TREES [INAUDIBLE], I'D BE FINE WITH THAT TOO. >> JUST CHANGE IT 3-1 TO ONE-TO-ONE BY THAT NUMBER. >> THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PMZ. >> ABOUT 70,275 MILLION. >> RIGHT, WHAT? >> 92,000 FOR THE DUMP TRUCKS TO HAUL THE DIRT. >> 92,000 CALLED A DUMP. >> DUMP. >> THE CHARGES THAT WE INCURRED TO HOLDURT WERE HOW MUCH? >> NINETY TWO. >> WE'RE AT LEAST RECOVERING THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I SAY HE'S SITTING AT 216,379. WE'RE RECOVERING THE $72,000 FOR THE ONE-TO-ONE TREES AND THE 92,000 OF THE DUMP TRUCKS. >> YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT? >> IT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. WE INCURRED AROUND APPROXIMATELY $92,000 IN EXPENSES IN HALL. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? ONE-TO-ONE AT $216,000 IS APPROXIMATELY $72,000 IN TREES. THAT'S YOUR NUMBER, 164. >> PRETTY FAIR DEAL. >> WHAT'S THAT, TRAVIS? >> I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PRETTY FAIR. >> YOU GOT YOUR ONE-TO-ONE. YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE HALL OF THE DUMP TRUCKS. THAT STILL KEEPS YOU UNDER THE 216,379 THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE OBLIGATED TO. YOU SAVE SOME MONEY. >> ABOUT 52 GRAND. >> DO YOU HAVE [02:00:07] THE TABLE WHERE IT SHOWED WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS? >> YES. >> THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU. [NOISE] >> WHAT'S THE NUMBER YOU GOT THERE? >> ABOUT 164. I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS NUMBER, BUT I'M BEING TOLD THAT WE'VE INCURRED $92,000 IN LOGISTICAL FEES FOR HAULING OFF. THEN A THIRD OF THAT 3:1 RATIO AT 216 IS 72. >> IS THAT THE COUNCIL'S DECISION THAT WHERE EVERYBODY IS SITTING HAS VOTED ON THIS, YET, IS THAT THE PROPOSAL? >> WELL, SEEING AS I'M THE ONE WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAY, AYE. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> LET ME PUT THIS AS NICELY AS I CAN. ACTUALLY, ALL OF MY CONSTITUENTS DIDN'T WANT ANY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE TO BEGIN WITH. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR HAUL OFF, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS OWED TO THE CITY, THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT. I WAS ELECTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENED. BRIAN, WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER, YOU DID THE MATH? >> WHAT? >> HOW MUCH MONEY DID THEY GET TO KEEP OUT OF THE 3:1? >> LIKE 52 GRAND. >> VERY GOOD. >> I'VE HAD A TIP ON MY SHOULDER ABOUT THAT $92,000 FROM WHEN I USED TO SIT OUT IN THAT SEAT AS A RESIDENT AND A CITIZEN. THAT DID NOT MAKE ME HAPPY. I GLARED AT EVERY MEMBER UP HERE. THE FAMILY GO, REALLY? [LAUGHTER] I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT BACK. >> IF WE AGREE TO THIS, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ON V&U VERSUS WE DO A CALCULATION INTO TREES? >> I JUST GAVE IT TO YOU. >> WOULD YOU PREFER MONEY OR TREES? >> THAT'S THE NUMBER. >> DO YOU PREFER THE CASH INSTEAD OF THE TREES, IS THAT RIGHT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. >> ONLY BECAUSE THAT PARK IS NOT ANY TIME GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. IT'S ON THE PLANS, BUT THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR IT. YOU'LL JUST BE PLANTING TREES, THAT ARE JUST GOING TO SIT THERE AND GROW WILD. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I ASSUME WE COULD WORK ON THAT TIME FRAME OF WHEN WE WOULD PAY THAT. I DIDN'T BRING MY CHECK BOOK TONIGHT. >> UNDERSTOOD. I'LL BE FINE WITH THAT. >> I'LL BE PAID TONIGHT. DO YOU ALSO AGREE ON THIS? >> WAS THERE ANY CLOCK OR SOME TIME ON THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT? I'M JUST CURIOUS. DO YOU REMEMBER? >> I THINK PART OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, THERE WASN'T A ORIGINAL AGREEMENT ON THIS AND JUST SOME NOT VERY CLEAR EMAILS. HAPPY TO DISCUSS TIMING, OR IF WE JUST AGREE TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND MAYBE REVISIT THE TIME FRAME OF IT. IT'S GOING TO BE REASONABLE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR. >> WHEN'S YOUR DEVELOPMENT GOING TO BE FINISHED? >> FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT OR A HOME SALE STANDPOINT. >> LET'S SAY DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. >> TOWARDS THE END OF NEXT YEAR. IT SHOULD BE BY END OF NEXT YEAR. THE LANDSCAPING IS THE REASON I JUST PAUSED. THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOTS WILL FOR SURE BE NEXT YEAR. LANDSCAPING MIGHT TRIPLE INTO THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WHICH IS UNDER OUR PURVIEW OF, PART OF DEVELOPMENT. HOME SALES FURTHER OUT. >> I'M LOOKING BACK TO TANNER IF HE'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, IT'S GOT TO BE. >> SECOND QUARTER [INAUDIBLE]. >> I'M GOING TO WORK WITH THEM. >> I HAVE TO. [02:05:02] >> I DON'T EXPECT ANYBODY STRUCK AT THE LAST OF RECORD. I'M NOT SAYING. >> ME PERSONALLY. RIGHT NOW. ONE TIME. [LAUGHTER] >> [BACKGROUND] BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. >> THAT'S FAIR. >> ROUGHLY NINE MONTHS. >> I'D LIKE TO LOOK TO SEE IF THEY CAN VENMO IT. >> GET YOU. >> EVERYBODY STARING AT ME. [LAUGHTER] >> WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE ALREADY DOES. >> WE WERE TALKING AND OUR FISCAL YEAR ENDS SEPTEMBER 30TH END '26. THAT SEEMS FAIR TO US. >> IF WE AGREED TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, CAN WE KEEP IT OPEN AS TO WHETHER WE PAY THE FULL AMOUNT BY THAT DATE VERSUS PART THAN IN PART AT A LATER DATE? >> I'M LOOKING AT SUZIE. >> DO YOU WANT IT ALL NOW? >> LET ME PUT YOU LIKE THIS AGAIN. WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN AND CHEWED UP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAUSED US A GREAT MANY HEADACHES. SINS OF THE PAST. BUT WE HAVE CITIZENS WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE HAVING TO FOOT THE BILL FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. I KNOW THIS DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO YOU, BUT WATER TREATMENT PLANT IMPROVEMENTS FOR DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE SIT IN THE SAME SPOT THAT YOU'RE SITTING IN, ASKING US TO WORK WITH THEM WHEN THEY DIDN'T PAY CAPACITY ACQUISITION FEES, WHEN THEY DESTROYED ROADS AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. WHEN YOU'RE FALLING INTO A TAXING REINVESTMENT ZONE AND A HOST OF OTHER THINGS, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SIDE WITH YOUR PLIGHT, WHATEVER THAT IS, WHEN I'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE REAL PROBLEMS LIKE $300 A MONTH WATER BILLS. >> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. THERE'S A REASON THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE THE REPUTATION THEY DO. IT'S BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM OPERATE THE WAY YOU JUST DESCRIBED. >> I'M NOT CASTING A SPARS ON YOU UNDERSTAND. >> WE HAVE ONE OF YOU ALL AT LEAST NOT MULTIPLE HAVE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED HOW GOOD WE'VE BEEN WITH. >> IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION. >> YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ON SUBDIVISION. >> YOU'RE ASKING FOR A PARTIAL PAYMENT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS FISCAL YEAR AND ONE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? [OVERLAPPING]. >> I'LL MAKE A DEAL HERE. THE 72 NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE NEED TO RECOVER THE 92 THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT UP FRONT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER NEXT YEAR. >> NINETY TWO? >> YEAH. BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY [OVERLAPPING] >> FOR SEPTEMBER OF 26. >> BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY EXPENDED THAT. THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN HAD TO PAY TO HAUL THAT DIRT. WE NEED THAT MONEY, AND YOU'RE GETTING TO PAY IT OUT. YOU GOT ALMOST A YEAR TO PAY IT. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT 72 IS NOW OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE I ASKED ABOUT THE DEFERRED PAYMENT FOR HALF OF IT? >> WELL, THE 72 WILL COME DUE THE FOLLOWING CALENDAR YEAR. >> WE'RE SPLITTING THE 160 UP. >> I'M NOT SURE I'M TRACKING. >> MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. [02:10:04] >> I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SPLITTING UP THE TOTAL OF 164, THE TWO DIFFERENT VALUES. ONE IN THE CALENDAR YEAR FISCAL YEAR 2026, WHICH WE'RE IN ALREADY. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE, BUT THE WAY OUR OPERATING BUDGET, WE'RE ALREADY IN IT. WHICH TAKES YOU TO THE END OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2026. YES, WE WOULD ASK A PAYMENT FOR END OF OUR FISCAL CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH IS 92,000. THEN WE'LL WAIT FOR THE OTHER 72. WE CAN MAKE IT. I DON'T CARE SEPTEMBER OF '27 FOR THAT SECOND PAYMENT TO BE MADE. >> GOT YOU. MY APOLOGIES IF I MISUNDERSTOOD. [OVERLAPPING] >> OH NO, YOU'RE OKAY. YOU ASKED FOR DEFERRED PAYMENT. >> TALKING ABOUT 72,000 TOTAL, WHICH WOULD COVER US FROM WHERE WE CURRENTLY STAND TO THE 3:1. YOU'VE MENTIONED A DIFFERENT NUMBER. RIGHT HERE, WE'RE ALMOST AT THE 2:1. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING UP TO THE 3:1 BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE Y'ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT AS IS, THE 1:01, WHETHER THERE WOULD BE NO MORE PAYMENT. WHAT WE'RE SAYING WAS THAT TO COVER THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE WE SIT TODAY TO GET TO THAT 3:01, THAT WAS THE 72 YOU BROUGHT UP. [OVERLAPPING] >> REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO SEPARATE THINGS, HONESTLY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU PAYING FOR THE TREES ON A 1:1 RATIO BASIS OF $72,000, WHICH WE WILL DEFER THAT PAYMENT UNTIL THE FISCAL YEAR OF 2027. YOU NEED TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THE EXPENSES WE'VE ALREADY INCURRED IN THE TRUCKING. NOW, THAT AMOUNT SHOULD COME DUE TOMORROW, HONESTLY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT OFF UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026. >> SEVENTY TWO IS BASED OF 1:1. >> YES. >> THREE TO ONE WAS 216, TAKING A THIRD MAKING THE 72,000. >> YEAH. I 100% UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE STILL GETTING YOUR 1:1. >> I UNDERSTAND. I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. THE 92, I'LL BE HONEST. I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THAT. COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY HERE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, TOO. >> IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN AGREEMENT ON THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, I DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. >> WE'RE ON TREE MITIGATION. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> ONLY. >> I KNOW. I'M GETTING THERE. >> TALKING ABOUT 72,000. >> YEAH. I KNOW. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO [OVERLAPPING]. >> JUST MAKE IT 2:1. BASICALLY GO BACK TO THAT CLOSER. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. >> DID YOU DO THE MATH ALREADY? >> YES. JOHN DID THAT. >> THANK YOU, JOHN. >> NO, I DID. >> OH, YOU DID? >> I TRUST THE LAWYER'S MATH. >> I DIDN'T DO MATH IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHO DID THE MATH? DID YOU DO THE MATH? >> NO, JOHN DID THE MATH. >> JOHN ACTUALLY DID THE MATH. SORRY, JOHN. >> THAT'S THE REDUCTION. >> HERE'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH DOING THAT IS THAT WHAT HE'S DOING, IF WE DO THAT IS HE'S NOT GETTING THE 1:1 THAT WE'RE AGREEING ON. WE NEED TO RUN THE $92,000 IN CHARGES THROUGH ANOTHER ITEM WHERE WE TALK TO HIM AGAIN ABOUT THAT. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO THAT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE JUST GO TO THE 2:1 AND RECOVERING IN THERE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THESE TWO THINGS SEPARATE. I WILL PROMISE Y'ALL I'M NOT GOING TO IGNORE THIS. I NEED THE ONE FROM MY SIDE, JUST GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OCCURRED. I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO THEN COME BACK EITHER TO CHAT WITH Y'ALL. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE RULES ARE ABOUT HAVING A CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OF THIS WITH Y'ALL IF IT NEEDS TO BE WITH CITY STAFF, THE CITY ATTORNEY. I KNOW THIS IS LIVE ON RECORD, LIKE AND NOT GLADLY, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION. JUST, THIS IS NEWS TO ME. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> PAGE 228 FREEDOM PARK, 216,000 FEE IN LIEU OF TREE MITIGATION. [02:15:06] >> I UNDERSTAND. >> TYPICALLY. >> WE'RE BASING AN ACTION ON INVOICES AND COSTS INCURRED THAT HE HAS NO IDEA ABOUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THIS IS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, THOUGH, SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO WITH THE ONE BY ONE AND TREAT THE ACTION SEPARATELY IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, GRADY. >> IT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. IT'S A LETTER FROM 2024. THE AGENDA ACTUAL ITEM RESTRICTS IT TO THE TREE MITIGATION. SO YES, SPLIT THEM IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND BRING HIM BACK IN JANUARY. >> I DON'T THINK WE TAKE ACTION TO TONIGHT TILL WE TALK AGAIN. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M AGREEING. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT'S SUBJECT TO MR. GRABINSKI, I APOLOGIZE. >> GRABINSKI. >> GRABINSKI. >> NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU FOR APOLOGIES. >> RETURN IN JANUARY OR HE CAN LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, AND WE CAN PUT AN ACTUAL ITEM SO WE CAN DISCUSS BOTH. >> I THINK THAT'S FAIR. >> YEAH. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED AT LEAST HALF OF THIS CONVERSATION IS NOT COMING TO A CONCLUSION TONIGHT, SO I'M OKAY AS WELL WITH JUST TABLING THE ENTIRETY OF IT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT LEAST WITH SOMEONE BEFORE NEXT COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO YOU ON THIS. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> I'LL TOUCH BASE WITH THEM WELL BEFORE NEXT TIME AND JUST START TALKING THROUGH THIS STUFF. >> HONESTLY IF YOU WANT TO GET TOGETHER YOUR NUMBERS AND YOU'RE LOOKING ASKING US TO PUT TOGETHER SOME NUMBERS, I'M SURE I HAD TO THROW MORE ON STAFFS TABLE PLATE, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN LOOK AND FIND THOSE NUMBERS. [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU HAVE NUMBERS, YOU WANT TO PRESENT TO US AND PREPARE THEM AND DO THAT. >> JUST A THOUGHT I HAD, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PAGE WHERE JOHN I BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING THAT HAD THAT $216 AMOUNT, PERHAPS WE DO AN UPDATED CALCULATION SOLELY LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND COMPARING IT TO THE 3:1 NUMBER. BASICALLY JUST DOING THIS AGAIN AND THAT REMOVES ANY AMBIGUITY. JUST A THOUGHT. I KNOW WE'RE NOT COMING TO A CONCLUSION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT, OR JUST WE'RE DIVIDING THAT NUMBER. I GUESS WE'RE ENDING UP AT THE SAME PLACE JUST TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. TRYING TO SAY, SO I'M GOING TO STOP THAT. >> WHEN WAS THAT WAGONER SURVEY DONE, 24? >> JULY 24TH. >> I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT TREES AREN'T 475 OR WHATEVER, SO 475.56 PER TREE. NOW, I BET IT'S GONE UP. TREE DROUGHTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON. I COULD BE WRONG. YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT YOU MAY BE GETTING A FAVORABLE ACCOUNTING FOR 475.56 PER TREE. >> I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. >> I'M GOOD WITH. LET'S TABLE IT AND BRING IT BACK IN JANUARY. >> ALL GOOD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK TO YOU, SIR. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR COMING OUT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU FOR BEING A GOOD SPOT AND STAYING UP THERE AND BEING GRILLED. >> I UNDERSTAND THIS IS JUST PART OF ALL THE WHOLE SYSTEM WORK. IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT THAT'S IN THIS ROOM. THAT'S JUST EXACTLY. >> I'M GLAD WE GOT THE WINDROSE GREEN SECTION TAKEN CARE OF TONIGHT. >> WE GOT ONE THOUGH. >> WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. >> WE'LL COME BACK ON THE OTHER AND THEN I THINK EARLY NEXT YEAR IS WHEN WE COME BACK AND ALSO JUST GIVE A GENERAL UPDATE. I COULD TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO BE A VARIABLE. IT'S GOING TO BE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR, DO WE NEED TO TAKE AN ACTION THE TABLE? >> WE JUST NEED TO TABLE IT. >> I'LL MAKE AN ACTION, THANK YOU, MOTION TO TABLE THIS. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO-TEM TOWNSEND AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH TO TABLE THIS ITEM FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNED BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSING TO SIGN SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. >> WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT. >> ITEM 15, UPDATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE 288B DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS. [15. Update, discussion and possible action on the 288B Downtown Improvements.] >> LOOK AT THE TIME WORD THEY'VE GIVEN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. >> GOOD. >> WE HAVE MET WITH TXDOT MULTIPLE OCCASIONS ON THE [LAUGHTER] 288B PROJECTS FROM ORANGE STREET ALL THE WAY TO CEDAR. [02:20:04] ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, WE'VE EXPRESSED A CUE IS THE SIDEWALK WIDTHS, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE THE ROAD IN THE PARKING. THERE WILL BE NO MORE PARKING ON 288, WHICH WAS EXPLAINED IN THE MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HAD. ONE THING THEY DID WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WAS SOME OF THE COLORING OF THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNS. I HAVE PROVIDED FOR THE STREET LIGHT SIGNS. I HAVE PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES FOR EVERYBODY IN THERE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT COLORS, IF YOU'LL GO UP. GO UP ONE MORE. >> EXCUSE ME. >> GO UP ONE MORE. GO DOWN, I'M SORRY. GO DOWN. ESSENTIALLY, YOU HAVE A FLUTED GREEN POLE THAT YOU COULD USE. IT'S REALLY NICE LOOKING WITH SOME ADORNMENTS TO IT. YOU CAN HAVE A BLACK SMOOTH POLE, IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD HAVE, OR IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE, THERE'S A BRONZE POLE THAT LOOKS LUSTY TO ME. >> PHOENIX. >> THEN YOU HAVE A GREEN SMOOTH POLE, WHICH IS ANOTHER OPTION. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE 60%. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT OR WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THAT IS WHAT TYPE OF POLE WOULD YOU ALL PREFER TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHO OWNS THESE POLES? WHEN THEY BREAK, WHEN WE RUN INTO THEM? >> I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S TXDOT FACILITIES. IT'S GOING TO STAY A TXDOT ROADWAY. BUT I CAN VERIFY THAT. >> YES. THE ANTIQUE, POLES THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM, AND WE LOST ONE DURING THE HURRICANE TO A PRETTY TUNE OF $15,000 OR SOMETHING. >> THOSE ARE OUR POLES. >> RIGHT. THERE'S ACTUALLY A PICTURE OF ONE OF THOSE IN THE NEXT ONE. AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO WRAP UP, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN. IF IT IS TXDOT'S POLES, WHAT COLOR OR WHAT WOULD YOU ALL PREFER TO BE IN THE PLAN SET? >> ABSOLUTELY, I LIKE BLACK. >> I LIKE BLACK. >> BLACK WOULD MATCH ANTIQUE. >> THE FLUTED GREEN LAYOUTS, BUT I LIKE THE BLACK LOOK. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES. >> ARE YOU SAYING YOU LIKE BLACK? >> CAN WE GET A FLUTED GREEN IN BLACK? >> YES. JUST WHERE THE STREET SIGN IS UP ABOVE. >> I LIKE THE DESIGN. >> THE BLACK. >> I LIKE THE BLACK COLOR, BUT I PREFER THE FLUTED GREEN DESIGN. >> YES. >> FLUTED GREEN. >> IF POSSIBLE. >> IF POSSIBLE. >> BLACK POLE. >> FLUTED BLACK POLE. >> FLUTED GREEN POLE. >> FLUTED BLACK POLE. >> FLUTED GREEN POLE IN BLACK. >> THERE YOU GO. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE MARKER. >> NO, THAT'S. >> NOW THAT'S THE FLUTED BLACK POLE. >> THERE WE GO. [OVERLAPPING] >> OPTION A, THE ONE THAT WASN'T LISTED. >> YES. >> FLUTED BLACK POLE. >> YES. >> DO YOU WANT THE ADORNMENTS ON THE BOTTOM, THE LITTLE PEDAL STONE. YOU SEE THE PEDAL STONE? >> THAT'S WHAT SETS IT OFF. OKAY. >> I LIKE THAT. IT'S GIVING ME A MISSOURI CITY VIBES. >> WHAT'S IT MADE OF? IS IT PAINTED? CAN I SEE THIS PICTURE? [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU WANT TO SEE THIS PICTURE. BUT IT HAS TO BE A TXDOT STANDARD. >> YES. IF IT'S GOING TO LOOK RANDY CADY AFTER SIX YEARS. >> THAT ALL FADE. >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS BARBARA'S, DESIGN-WISE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TOO MODERN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A DOWNTOWN MODERN FIT. >> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE CURRENT GALVANIZED ONES. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, BUT BIRD WASTE DOESN'T BLEND IN WELL WITH BLACK. >> DO WE NOTICE IT NOW? >> NO. BECAUSE THEY'RE GALVANIZED. >> BLACK ANTIQUE ONES? >> NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK TRAFFIC SIGNAL POLES. >> THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYWHERE FOR A BIRD TO LAND ON ANTIQUE LIGHTS. >> TYPICALLY, YOU SEE THE GREEN FLUTED POLES, MORE SO DOWNTOWN AREAS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BIRD DROPPINGS THAT HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH THIS THING, BUT IT'S JUST COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE. >> I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW GREEN'S GOING TO LOOK IN A CITY THAT'S GOT A BUNCH OF PURPLE STUFF ON IT. [02:25:01] [LAUGHTER] THOSE ARE NOT COMPLIMENTARY COLORS. I LEARNED ABOUT THIS SOMEWHERE IN ASD, PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS I LEARNED. >> A LOT OF OUR BUILDING TRIM COLOR DOWNTOWN IS BLACK. >> IF TXDOT SAYS THAT IF YOU GO WITH A DECORATIVE POLE AND IT BECOMES YOUR POLE, DO WE SAY WE DO NOT WANT DECORATIVE POLES? >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> THEN THEY JUST REPLACE THEM WITH WITH THE STANDARD GALVANER? >> OR THE STANDARD TXDOT STANDARD POLE. IF THEY SAY IF ANGLETON WANTS THIS BLACK FLUTED POLE, AT THAT POINT, IF A TRUCK VEERS OFF AND CRASHES INTO IT, ANGLETON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING THAT POLE. >> IF WE CALL FOR A FOR A FANCY POLE, IT BELONGS TO US. >> I GOT TO RUN THAT TRACK THOUGH. IF THEY SAID THAT IT IS ANGLETON'S RESPONSIBILITY, WE JUST WANT TO GO WITH THE STANDARD TXDOT, YOU TAKE BACK YOUR FACILITIES. >> A HUNDRED PERCENT. >> IT GOES TO THE NEXT ONE, IF YOU GO DOWN. >> IT'S UNFAIR TO ASSUME WE CAN'T BUY SOME TRIMMER SECTION TO GO AROUND THE BOTTOM OF IT. THAT SOUNDS CHEAPER. >> IF YOU GO DOWN ONE MORE. THOSE ARE THE CURRENT POLES THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE BLACK. THEY'VE GOT THE BULB. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT PARTICULAR STANDARD, BUT THEY DO HAVE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. >> THEY HAVE THAT LANTERN STYLE. >> THAT'S A LANTERN STYLE THERE. AGAIN, WE CAN BE GREEN OR WE COULD BE BLACK AND GO BACK LIKE WHAT'S OUT THERE. I'M ASSUMING YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO A BLACK. >> CORRECT. >> YES. >> ARE THEY LED OR THEY 2025 WILL BE PAPER THING? MINIMAL MAINTENANCE, I SHOULD SAY. >> I WILL LOOK INTO THAT. >> ARE THERE MORE THAN ONE MANUFACTURER? RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE THE ONE GUY. >> IF WE'RE TAKING OUT THE ANTIQUE POLES THAT ARE THERE. >> THAT MEANS THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO COUGH UP MONEY TO MAKE THEM LIKE AND KIND ON THE OTHERS. I WANT TO DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THESE THINGS COST. >> THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. >> SO 30, 35, AND 288. >> YES. >> THESE POLES THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WILL BE REMOVED, AND THEY WILL ALL MATCH ON 288 WITH WHAT BE SIGHT. >> WILL WE STILL BE ABLE TO PUT THE BANNERS UP ON THEM? >> I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION. HE WAS GOING TO VERIFY THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> SHE SAID YES. >> SHE DID SAY YES. >> THEY WOULD BE TALLER, YES. >> THEY WOULD BE TALLER. OKAY. >> IF THEY TAKE DOWN ON 288, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE THERE NOW, THEY GIVE THEM TO US. >> YOU WANT TO SALVAGE? >> YES. DO YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM? >> THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. WE MIGHT BE TO PUT THOSE SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> IN OUR PARKS. >> OR JUST HAVE ONE FOR A HURRICANE. >> PARKS. >> DO YOU WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT TYPE OF LIGHTING ELEMENTS IN THEIR LED OR WHATEVER IT IS? >> WHAT COLOR IT, COLOR OF THE DAY, IS IT IS YELLOW? IS IT WHITE? IS IT BLUE? >> I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY BLUE LEDS ARE THROWN AWAY. [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT 5,000. >> LET'S GO TO THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT, WELL, NOT THE LAST THING, ANOTHER THING. IN THIS, WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF BULBOUS. TO WHERE THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE SQUEEZED TOGETHER TO MAKE PEDESTRIAN A LITTLE BIT SAFER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO WALK SO FAR APART. IN THESE BULBOUS, THEY'RE CALLING OUT FOR LANDSCAPING PAPERS. THAT'S SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT TXDOT HAS IS LANDSCAPING PAPERS. NOW, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO WORK WITH THEM, BUT THEY DON'T DO IT, IT WOULD BE A COST TO COUNCIL TO DO PLANTINGS AND IRRIGATION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE OTHER COST. WE CAN DO THAT. BUT THESE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE OF THESE BRICK PATTERNS AND THINGS. I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO NEED ANYTHING NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY GOING LIMITING TO 60, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP FOR THESE. >> I THINK THEY DID STAMPED CONCRETE ON 288B. >> THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOT THERE. >> THAT RED LOOKING OR IS THAT CONCRETE? >> BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT'S DONE OVER THERE BY SONIC IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WHERE THE ENDS ARE. >> I THINK IT MAY BE MORE LIKE THE PAVERS ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. >> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE PAVERED. I THINK THEY STAMPED THEM WHEN THEY POURED THE CONCRETE. >> I'VE SEEN WITH CONCRETE IS SOMETIMES A COLOR FACE A LITTLE BIT. >> I THINK I'M A FAN OF THE BOTTOM RIGHT. [02:30:01] >> I LIKE THE LEFT. >> I'M A FAN OF THE LEFT. [BACKGROUND] >> I WOULDN'T THINK. >> NO. IT'S JUST CONCRETE. [OVERLAPPING] MAYBE I'M JUST THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE. >> NOW WE HAVE TO WEED THE MEDIAN. >> DOWNTOWN. >> YOU NEED THE MEDIAN NOW. YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO DO THAT. >> BUT THAT WAS A GRANT, I THINK. >> SINCE IT'S NOT A GRANT. >> PROBABLY THE PROPERTY OWNERS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE GRASS COMES UP BETWEEN THE BRICK PAVERS AND THE CRACK? >> YES. DO THEY OWN THAT FOREVER? >> THIS IS TXDOT PROJECT. >> THEIR MAINTENANCE FOREVER. >> IN DOWNTOWN COLORS I THINK WAS BLACK. >> I AGREE. FOR SOME REASON, I WAS THINKING THAT THEY HAD THOSE ON 288B FURTHER DOWN, THAT THEY HAD DONE A STAMPED CONCRETE ON THOSE MEDIANS ON THE ENDS OF THEM, BUT CHRISSIE JUST LOOKED AT IT AND THEY DIDN'T. >> I THINK THE BOTTOM RIGHT ONE WOULD GO BETTER WITH THE BLACK POLE AND THE DARK BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE COLORS. >> RIGHT NOW OVER BY COX PRODUCTION AND THE LAW OFFICES THERE IS THE RED PAVERS ACROSS THE STREET AT OL PATIO. IT'S GREAT. IT'S GREAT PAVERS. >> I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK [INAUDIBLE]. YOU SAID SOMETHING A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION. THAT WOULD BE ON THE COUNT ON THE CITY'S DIME. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A LOT OF THIS, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE OR TWO SPOTS, SOME TYPE OF GREENERY IN THERE. >> BUT WE HAVE BIG POTS NOW. >> THAT DIE EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU PLANT SOMETHING. >> WELL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. >> COME BY. I'LL ORDER FROM AMAZON FOR YOU. [LAUGHTER] YOU CAN GET THEM IN PURPLE AND WHITE. >> JOHN YOU'RE DOING A JAM UP JOB PUTTING UP WITH ALL THIS. I APPRECIATE IT. >> PUT IT OUT THERE. SOMEBODY DIDN'T LIKE THAT. >> YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WOULDN'T PLANTINGS STRUGGLE TO GROW THERE REGARDLESS IF WE PLANTED MORE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> THE PROBLEM THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE WITH THE POTS IS THERE'S NO WATER SOURCE TO THEM, BUT IF WE WERE PUTTING IRRIGATION IN, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO GET A CRAP MARBLE OR SOMETHING IN THERE WITH THE COVERED. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LEGALIZING. >> LOW MAINTENANCE. >> VERY LOW MAINTENANCE. >> JASMINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> PLANT TREES IN THE TEXTILE. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THEY DON'T DO PLANTINGS. >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TREE PLANTING. >> LIKE A BIG SPHERICAL BOULDER. >> SEE, I BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A CALL OUT FOR ROCKS. WHAT ABOUT SOME CINDER AND SOME BIG ROCKS OR SOMETHING? >> I'M A JOAN. I'M GOING BE MINIMAL, BUT MAYBE OPPOSITE CORNERS OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. >> IF Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE SOME IDEAS. >> WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SHADE IN THE SUMMERTIME. THAT'S JUST ONE THING THAT I WAS THINKING OF. >> I CAN GIVE Y'ALL SOME PLANS WITH THE LAYOUTS, AND IF Y'ALL WANT TO SKETCH WHAT Y'ALL ARE THINKING, I THINK THE LIGHT POLES IN THE TRAFFIC SIGNS ARE WHAT THEY WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR. I THINK THIS WE CAN FLUCTUATE BECAUSE IT'S AN AREA, WHAT WE DO TO THE AREA CAN BE CHANGED BETWEEN THE 60-90. >> MY BIG THING WOULD BE IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOME STYLE. WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE THE MAINTENANCE COSTS OR THE UPKEEP COSTS, OR IF SOMEBODY DOES DRIVE DRUNK AND WE DESTROY SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT AT OUR OWN AND IT BECOMES TOO COST PROHIBITED AND NOW WE HAVE ONE REALLY NICE CORNER AND THE OTHER ONE LOOKS LIKE THEY GOT ABANDONED. >> WELL, THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH LARGE ROCKS AND BOULDERS, IS SOMETHING THAT BECOMES A BLOWN OUT TIRE AND NOW WINDS UP BEING A TOTAL VEHICLE. >> I DON'T DISAGREE, AND MAYBE IT WAS TOO MUCH, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME DESIGN TO IT TO WHERE IT'S ATTRACTIVE. >> I AGREE. >> HAVE TO BE THERE. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE TAJ MAHAL. >> WELL, I SAY WE COME BACK LATER ON AND LOOK AT THIS. WE CAN ALL THINK ABOUT THE PAVERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. [02:35:04] >> MAYBE YOU PUT SOME DESIGN TO THE PAVER, YOU DON'T JUST MAKE IT A PATTERN LIKE THAT, MAYBE YOU PUT A BIG HEART IN SOME AREAS, OR SOMETHING. WE DO THAT IN A LOT OF CITIES, WE PUT THE CITY LOGOS IN THE BIG DOWNTOWN INTERSECTIONS. WE'LL PUT BRICK PAPERS AND PUT THE CITY LOGO IN THAT GIANT INTERSECTION. >> SOMETIMES THERE'S THE STAR AT TEXAS IN THERE, SO YOU COULD DO SOMETHING IN GRAY WITH THE HEART. >> BUT I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ASK, THAT I NEED TO ASK THEM ABOUT MAINTENANCE, WHO'S GOING TO OWN, WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT, ALL THAT STUFF, THE COLOR OF THE LIGHTS. >> DID YOU EVER TALK TO THEM, YOU'RE SAYING LAST TIME OR MAYBE EVEN THE TIME BEFORE. I CAN'T REMEMBER. SOMETHING ABOUT NOT A DESIGNATED BIKE PATH, BUT A SHARED BIKE PATH? >> THEY'RE RUNNING THAT I PROVIDED THEM DIRECTION, AND I'VE GOT TO WRITE THAT LETTER FOR LOUPE. I GOT TO DO THAT. I'LL DO THAT TOMORROW. BUT THEY KNOW IT AND THEY REQUESTED A LETTER FROM LOUPE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THEY WANT A SHARED PATH, BUT THEY KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INDEPENDENT BIKE PATH. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. >> I'M OKAY WITH THE SHARED PATH. >> I THINK IT'S A WIN FOR EVERYONE. >> NOT MY IDEAL, BUT I REALLY WANT IT, BUT WE [OVERLAPPING] >> I HATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE PARKING DOWNTOWN. I THINK THAT I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH SOMEONE TODAY ABOUT HOW THAT MAKES DOWNTOWN INVITING WHERE YOU CAN JUST PULL UP AT THE CURB AND GET OUT. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO PULL UP AND NOT HAVE TO FIND A PARKING SPOT IN SOME OBSCURE PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE YOU'RE LIKE, OH, MAN, SOMEBODY JUST PULLED OUT. I GOT A SPOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF DIRTY CELL. >> YOU NEED ACTION FROM US, JOHN? GOT WHAT YOU NEED? >> YEAH. I GOT WHAT I NEEDED. I'M JUST PRODUCING MY HOMEWORK FOR Y'ALL. THEN IF Y'ALL CAN THINK ABOUT THE BULBILS, WHICH Y'ALL WANT, AND MAYBE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. PROBABLY EASIER IF Y'ALL SEND ME AN EMAIL WHEN THERE'S JUST ONE OR TWO IDEAS COMING FROM ONE PERSON. >> THE BULBILS ARE FROM THESE FOUR CHOICES? >> THOSE FOUR CHOICES OR ROCKS OF SOME SORT, BECAUSE HE DOES PULL OUT ROCKS. I DON'T KNOW. I ASKED HIM TO PROVIDE ME WHAT ROCKS ARE, AND THIS IS WHAT HE PROVIDED ME SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS ROCKS, BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO SOME LANDSCAPING WITH ROCKS OR BOULDERS OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT. OR IF Y'ALL WANT TO TRY TO DO SOME PLANTINGS, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WOULD INCORPORATE THAT. WE'D HAVE TO DESIGN IT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO PUT SOME IRRIGATION TO IT AS WELL. FINALLY, ON THIS, ONE I DO NEED TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON IS THEY'RE MOVING QUICKLY TO 60%, AND SO THEY'RE PUSHING THIS PROJECT PRETTY QUICKLY. IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH TXDOT TO DO THIS WORK, WE HAVE THE UTILITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED AND READY TO GO. I NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DIRECTION Y'ALL WANT TO GO ON THAT. DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE IT TO BID AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR? >> I'M LOOKING STRAIGHT AT HER. >> IT'S ON THE NEXT ITEM. >> WE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING YET, JOHN, UNTIL WE TALK ABOUT THE NEXT ITEM OR THE FUTURE ITEM COME UP. >> YOU'LL HAVE YOUR ANSWER [INAUDIBLE] ITEMS. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT ITEM. >> THANK YOU. NUMBER 16. >> STAY UP THERE. ITEM NUMBER 16, [16. Discussion and possible action to approve Amendment No. 2 with HDR for Lift Station No. 8 Sanitary Sewer Collection System Rehabilitation Project in the amount of $19,600. ] DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 AND HDR FOR LS STATION NUMBER 8, SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM REHABILITATION PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $19,600. >> FOR THIS ONE, THIS IS FOR THE LS STATION NUMBER 8, THE COLLECTION AREA I PROVIDED AN EXHIBIT. WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE COLLECTION AREA TO WHERE WE'RE IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE THE WORK, WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISIT SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD IN THE FUTURE. >> LOCATIONS? >> THIS IS A RANCHO ISABELLA JUST NORTH OF HENDERSON, WHERE THIS AREA IS. THIS ALL DRAINS TO LS STATION 8, [02:40:02] WHICH IS RIGHT THERE BY KROGER, RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A LITTLE LS STATION RIGHT THERE THAT WE'VE FIXED UP. REDID A LOT OF THE SANITARY SEWER THERE IN THAT AREA. WHAT WE DID IS WE GOT TO RECEIVE SOME FAVORABLE BIDS WHEN WE DID A BID OPENING. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR, THE CONTRACTOR STATED THAT HE WOULD HOLD HIS PRICES IF WE WERE TO ADD 25% MORE INTO THE PROJECT. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE GLO TO WORK OR WORK WITH YOUR GRAIN ADMINISTRATOR TO PETITION GLO FOR THAT EXTRA 25%. WE HAVE NOT GOT IT, BUT THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET GOING ON THE DESIGN BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO START THAT PROJECT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. I'VE GOT MY CREW READY TO ROLL IF Y'ALL GIVE ME PERMISSION TONIGHT, THEY'LL BE OUT THERE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY DURING THE MANUAL INSPECTIONS SO WE CAN GET THE DESIGN GOING. >> BUDGET AMOUNT SAYS ZERO. WHERE IS THAT MONEY COMING FROM? >> THAT IS PART OF THE GRANT. >> BUT WHAT IF THEY DON'T AGREE TO IT? >> THE ADDITIONAL 19. >> THE GLO? >> THE GLO. THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE RESUBMITTED TO THEM, BUT THEY COULD SAY NO, AND IT COULD BE ON US TO FIGURE OUT. >> IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE GRANT, THAT IT HAS TO COME OUT OF A WATER FRONT. >> I DON'T THINK THE DESIGN IS A PART OF THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION THAT YOU CAN CHANGE. I CAN FIND OUT. >> THIS 19,6 IS JUST FOR THE- >> FOR GOING OUT DOING THE FIELD INSPECTION, UPDATING THE COLLECTION APP, COMING BACK CHANGING THE DESIGN PLANS. >> BUT IT'S ONLY TO HDR. >> JUST HDR. YES. WE'LL NEGOTIATE THE CHANGE ORDER OF THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONTRACTOR. THEN WE'LL HAVE 25% MORE LINES TO WASHINGTON IN THE POST AND PRE TELEVISION INSPECTION AND JUST ANOTHER I THINK THEY SAID SEVEN OR SIX WEEKS OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK AND WORK WITH THEM ON. IT'S NOT JUST A QUICK THING LIKE THE LAST TIME WE JUST HAD TO GO OUT AND COLLECT THE FIELD DATA BECAUSE WE STILL HAD ALL THE MONEY FOR BID DESIGN AND ALL THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION PORTION. >> SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT GLO COULD COME BACK AND SAY NO? >> THEY COULD. >> THEN WE'VE PAID YOU 19,6 TO GET SOMETHING READY AND TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO. >> THAT IS CORRECT. WE HADN'T PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR. >> WE DID TALK ABOUT IT ON THE AGENDA BEFORE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, BUT I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE AN ANSWER FROM THE GLO BEFORE WE WENT FORWARD WITH THIS. >> YEAH. WE STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING YET. >> WHEN DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET THAT ANSWER? >> COULD BE A MONTH. COULD BE TWO. IT'S THE GOVERNMENT, WITH THE SHUTDOWN, EVERYBODY'S BEHIND. >> EVEN HOLIDAYS. >> HOLIDAYS. >> IS THERE ANY TIMELINE THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST ON THIS? >> THE OVERALL CONTRACT TO GLO. >> WHAT'S THAT? >> THE OVERALL CONTRACT WITH GLO FOR THE GRANT IS THE OVERALL TIMELINE. >> BUT I THINK IF WE'RE MOVING IN CONSTRUCTION, THEY'LL BE MORE OPT TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME AS HAGER SAID. THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE GRAND ADMINISTRATOR. THE GOOD THING THAT WE'VE DONE IS WE SEPARATED EVERYTHING OUT TO WHERE WE WON'T BE IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD TWICE. THE BASE BID WE'RE STOPPING BEFORE WE ENTER SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD. IF WE HOLD OFF AND WE GET GOING, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND TEAR UP SOMEBODY STUFF THAT THEY ARE ALREADY IN. EVERYTHING IS CLEANLY SEPARATED BY THE WAY WE DID IT. IF Y'ALL WANT US TO HOLD OFF, WE CAN HOLD OFF UNTIL YOU HEAR SOMETHING BACK. >> I WOULD PREFER THAT, BUT IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX AN AREA. THERE'S JUST SO MANY UNKNOWNS IN THIS. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS WOULD BE, DO WE? >> FOR THE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION? >> WHAT IS THAT? >> IT'S 25% OF THE CONTRACT. YOU'RE DEFINITELY WELL WITHIN THAT. THIS IS THE PROJECT, BUT WE GOT SUCH FAVORABLE BIDS. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO UTILIZE ALL THE FUNDING EVEN WITH THE 25%. >> THE 215,000, SORRY. [02:45:05] THAT'S THE TOTAL CONTRACT. >> THAT'S THE TOTAL CONTRACT TO HDR. I DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACTORS AMOUNT, BUT WE'RE UTILIZING AS MUCH OF THE AVAILABLE FUNDS THAT THE CITY HAS TO THEM BY RUNNING UP TO THE 25%, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE CAN CHANGE ORDER INTO A PROJECT. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. >> IT'S UP TO COUNCIL. >> I'M FINE COMING BACK A MONTH AFTER. Y'ALL MEET EVERY TWO WEEKS. >> NO MEET UNTIL JANUARY. >> TABLE IT AND I'LL BRING IT BACK. MAYBE WE'LL GET SOMETHING FROM GLO OR SOMETHING. >> IS THAT REALISTIC? BETWEEN BEING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, BETWEEN HAVING NOT GETTING IT DONE YET, WASTE YOUR TIME AND SPEND MONEY IN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO. >> WHEN'S HE MOBILIZING? >> HE'S MOBILIZING THE FIRST FULL WEEK OF JANUARY, THE 5TH. HE'S BREAKING GROUND. >> HE CAN'T PUSH IT TWO WEEKS? >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE MATH, HE'S GOT EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE THAT HE CAN GET STARTED ON BEFORE AND EVEN ALL THE WAY DOWN HENDERSON. THE PINK IS THE NEW STUFF. HE'S NOT GOING TO BE DISTURBING ANYBODY'S YARD. THE WAY I BROKE IT UP WAS FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON. >> WE'LL HAVE TIME. >> YOU'LL HAVE TIME. WHENEVER Y'ALL GIVE ME THE GO, I JUST HAVE TO REALLY HUSTLE GETTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND GETTING THE CHANGE ORDER TOGETHER. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO UPSET A RESIDENT BECAUSE WE'RE FIXING THE FENCE AND THEN WE COME BACK AND TEAR THEIR FENCE BACK OUT AGAIN. >> IN THE MEANTIME, I'LL TRY TO PUT A CALL IN TO MELISSA WASHINGTON. SEE IF I CAN'T GET HELP. >> I'LL REACH BACK OUT TO JUDY AND PATTY WITH LANGFORD. >> WHEN DO WE WANT TO BRING THIS BACK? >> JANUARY. >> SECOND MEETING OR FIRST MEETING? >> FIRST MEETING. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE NUMBER 16 UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH TO TABLE UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> THANK YOU JOHN. >> CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR CALL ABOUT SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SAYING. MOTION CARRIES. COUNCIL, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY. WE DO NOT HAVE JASON HERE, PRESENT, BUT JUST IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK [17. Update and discussion on Abigail Arias Park Project.] ABOUT 17 UPDATE DISCUSSION ON ABIGAIL ARIAS PARK PROJECT. THE QUESTION IS ARE WE ON TRACK? I KNOW WE HAD SAID THAT WE WERE READY TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING IF WE NEEDED TO. IS THAT STILL COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE DOCUMENTS ARE 90% DONE. >> I'M IN TOWN. >> DO WHAT WE GOT TO DO. WE'RE ALL ABOUT TRYING TO GET BACK. >> CHRISTMAS DAY OR NOT. >> IS IT CHRISTMAS OR NEW YEAR THAT WEEK? >> IS ANYONE GOING TO BE IN TOWN ON THE 30TH? IS THERE ANYONE NOT GOING TO BE IN TOWN? >> I WON'T BE HERE. >> YOU WON'T BE HERE ON THE 30TH? >> HOLD ON. YOU MADE ME LOOK. MAYBE GETTING BACK IN TOWN THAT DAY. THAT'S WHY I ASKED. >> IS THERE ANYTHING GOING ON NEXT TUESDAY TONIGHT? >> CAN STAFF SUPPORT A MEETING ON THE NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT A SPECIAL ONE REAL QUICK? >> FOR THIS ITEM? WE NEED TO CHECK WITH JASON TO MAKE SURE THAT HE'S AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF HIS SITUATION. >> BECAUSE IT SAYS 100% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WILL BE DELIVERED TOMORROW, BASICALLY. WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING FASTER. >> HE DID SAY THAT TODAY IN OUR STAFF MEETING, THAT IS CORRECT. [02:50:05] I ASKED HIM TO SEND YOU ALL AN EMAIL EXPLAINING EVERYTHING AND I SAW THE EMAIL, SO TO HELP ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAD. >> WE WILL HAVE TO POST AN AGENDA TOMORROW FOR NEXT WEEK, TUESDAY. >> YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN AND YOU HAVE TO CANCEL. >> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE THE SCHEDULE MILESTONES. >> I'M HERE NEXT TUESDAY. I CAN BE HERE. HOPEFULLY NOT LONG. >> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MILESTONE SCHEDULE. IS THAT BASED OFF OF WHAT JASON WAS THINKING IF HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE 100% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS UNTIL TOMORROW, AND THE COUNSEL HASN'T REVIEWED IT. HOW COULD YOU GO FOR ADVERTISE FOR BIDS IN MID SEPTEMBER OR MID DECEMBER WITHOUT COUNSEL SEEING THE 100% DOCUMENTS? >> I'D HAVE TO ASK JASON. IF YOU WANT, I'LL CHECK WITH HIM, SEE IF HE'LL BE AVAILABLE NEXT TUESDAY. >> THAT WOULD HELP SO WE COULD DO THE REVIEW OF THE HUNDRED PERCENT. THEN YOU START ADVERTISING, AND THEN WE GET OUR BIDS IN EARLY JANUARY. THEN LATE JANUARY, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE AND START CONSTRUCTION FEBRUARY, HONESTLY. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? >> YEAH. I WANT US TO HELP ALL GET STARTED. IF WE NEED TO MEET TO CHECK THE BOX TO SAY THAT COUNSEL HAS REVIEWED THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS SO THAT ALL CAN ADVERTISE BY MID DECEMBER FOR BIDS. >> LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THE BIDS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE'RE CUTTING. >> NEXT WEEK IS IN DECEMBER. >> I KNOW. >> I'M SAYING TOMORROW'S THE 10TH AND NEXT TUESDAY. >> 16. >> 16 DECEMBER. >> I THINK THAT'S THE LIST. >> WELL, THEY GIVE 30 DAYS, SO THEY CAN GET THE BIDS OUT THE MIDDLE TO THE END OF DECEMBER. THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE BIDS BACK BY THE MIDDLE TO END OF JANUARY. >> I'M AVAILABLE NEXT TUESDAY. I CAN ALWAYS PAY FOR ME. >> I'M ALWAYS AT PARTY. >> LET'S GO. >> ALMOST. >> ALMOST. >> THAT'S WHY I WANT TO STILL TALK ABOUT THIS TONIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON ABO PARK? SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING ON NEXT TUESDAY. I HAVE NUMBER 18 UPDATE DISCUSSION ON FREEDOM PARK FIELD EXPANSION. [18. Update and discussion on Freedom Park Field expansion. ] SAME THING AGAIN. WE WON'T HAVE THE 100% UNTIL THE 19TH, SO THAT WON'T WORK [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. >> BUT IT IS IN SOME ASPECTS BECAUSE THE PLAN TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE MIDDLE OF JUNE SO THAT YOU COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE IT FOR BASEBALL SEASON. >> THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ALSO ON SUSAN ITEM, TOO. >> I KNOW. >> WELL, I HAVE THAT IN THERE FOR YOU ALL TO DISCUSS AND MAKE A DECISION ON. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ELSE ON THE PARK THAT FIELD TO ME? >> WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT. PUT THAT ON NEXT TUESDAY AS WELL. >> BUT WE WON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS UNTIL THE 19TH UNLESS BURDI CAN GET THE DOCUMENTS. >> THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS, I KNOW I'M EXPRESSING SOME FRUSTRATION. BUT I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THIS PART WAS READY TO GO. IT'D BE THE EASIER TO BREAK AROUND ON IT BECAUSE WE'RE READY TO GO. I REMEMBER HEARING THOSE WORDS. AM I MAKING THAT UP? >> MICHELLE, CAN YOU PUT THIS ONE ON FOR THE 16TH AS WELL? WE'RE GOING TO PUSH BURDI TO TRY TO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS BY THE 16TH. >> BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR SO LONG. [02:55:03] >> THAT'S [OVERLAPPING] THREE DAYS. PRETTY EARLIER DOES. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? NOW WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR. [19. Discussion and possible action on the city's current projects and funding] ITEM NUMBER 19, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CITY'S CURRENT PROJECTS AND FUNDING. SUSAN, YOU'VE BEEN GETTING READY TO GIVE IT TO US, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. THE NEXT SLIDE IS DIRECTION. MAYOR ELSON. >> YOU DIDN'T GIVE US SUPPORT IN THE GENE DIEMS SOMEWHERE. >> I'M SORRY. >> YOU DIDN'T GIVE US SUPPORT IN YOUR GENE DIEMS SOME? >> I EMAILED THEM >> YOU ALSO HAVE IT ON THE DIETS, BUT IT WAS EMAILED YESTERDAY. [OVERLAPPING] I GAVE HIM. >> THE FIRST THING I WILL BE GOING OVER IS FUN BALANCE AND THIS OF COURSE IS THE ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE FOR THE YEAR ENDING 2025. I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE OUT THE YEAR, BUT THIS IS MY ESTIMATE FUND BALANCE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE STILL WORKING TRYING TO REBUILD OUR FUND BALANCES. LAST YEAR, THE AUDITED 2024 FUND BALANCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND WAS AT 15%. THE ESTIMATE FOR 2025 IS 21%. IS THE ESTIMATE IT IS NOT THE AUDITED FINANCIALS? YOU DEBT SERVICE WAS AT 24, AND AS IT STILL REMAINS AT 24, YOUR WATER FUND IS ONLY AT 8%. AVLC IS AT 33%. THESE ARE ESTIMATED ENDING YEAR FUND BALANCES FOR YOUR 2025 YEARS. WHAT I WILL BE DISCUSSING WITH YOU ALL IS ALL THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN THE BONDS FOR ALL YOUR PARTICULAR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING NOW. ON THE BOND 2022, WHICH IS THE KMART BOND. WHEN WE FINISH THE BOND, WE WILL HAVE 2,000,857 AND OUT OF THAT SAME BOND, WE HAVE 500,000 THAT'S DEDICATED TO YOUR FIRE STATION. WE WILL HAVE 2,000,003 OF THE 2022 BOND. YOUR 2022 BOND IS A GENERAL FUND BOND. THAT IS RESTRICTED FOR ONLY GENERAL FUND ITEMS. YOUR NEXT BOND IS THE 2018 BOND. THAT PARTICULAR BOND IS FOR YOUR SILVER SADDLE AND THE PARIS STREET BOND. THE BOND ITSELF ONLY HAS 904. THE REMAINING MONEY FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHICH IS 2,000,008, WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE STREET FUND, WHICH IS ALSO A GENERAL FUND ITEM THAT CAN ONLY BE USED ON GENERAL FUND. PROJECTS. WE'LL BE FINISHING OFF THAT PROJECT. THE NEXT BOND. WELL, IT'S NOT A BOND YET IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TEXT DOT. THAT IS THE 288 PROJECT. YOU ARE TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE FIRST BEFORE YOU ACCEPT THE MAT TO THAT PROJECT. THE CONSTRUCTION IS ROUGHLY 1,000,004. THE MATCH IS 1,000,001. YOUR NEXT BOND, WHICH IS AN ACTUAL BOND IS YOUR 2025, YOUR WASTE WATER AND SEWER PROJECT BOND, WHICH WAS THE 8,200,000. APPROXIMATELY THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS AN 8 MILLION PROJECT, 1 MILLION ENGINEERING, ROUGHLY $4 MILLION PROJECT. YOU HAVE $4 MILLION LEFT. WE HAVE THE PROJECT OF LORRAINE, WHICH WILL COST YOU ABOUT $1 MILLION. YOU WILL HAVE $3 MILLION LEFT FROM THAT PROJECT. WITH ALL THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE LEFT OVER, I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION FOR YOUR 288 PROJECT. THAT IS A WATER AND SEWER PROJECT THAT CAN BE [03:00:01] USED FROM THE MONEY THAT'S LEFT OVER FROM YOUR WASTEWATER PROJECT. THE MATCH CAN BE DONE FROM THE MONEY THAT YOU HAD LEFT OVER FROM THE BOND, WHICH WAS A 2022 BOND. THOSE PROJECTS CAN BE DONE WITH MONIES LEFT OVER. NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT I'LL BE DOING THIS YEAR IS THE WATER FUND WAS SHOWING A DEBT TO THE GENERAL FUND OF $831,000. I WILL BE PAYING THAT DEBT BACK TO YOUR GENERAL FUND. FROM THE MONEY OF THE KAFIR FEES OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT WERE PAID IN FUND 96, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE YOUR WATER FUND. I WILL PAY THAT BACK TO THE WATER FUND AND FROM THE WATER FUND, I WILL PAY BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. I'M PROPOSING TO USE THAT MONEY TO FINISH THE PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE THEY'RE REFERRING TO PARKS. THE FREEDOM PARK FOR THE 13-YEAR-OLD FIELD NEEDS $350,000. THE BATES PARK, WHICH NEEDS THAT ADDITIONAL FEEL, NEEDS $350,000 AND TO FINISH ABIGAIL'S PHASE 1, COMPLETELY IS 325. NOW, I CAN DO ALL OF THESE THINGS WITH THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANY MONEY TO YOUR RESERVES, IT'S ABOUT $200,000 PER PERCENT. THE MONEY THAT'S LEFT OVER IS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER UNLESS I MOVE MONEY AROUND AND MOVE MONEY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN FOR MATCHES TO THE GENERAL FUND OR TO THE PARKS FUND TO USE SOME OTHER FUNDS IF YOU WANT TO PUT MONEY BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND SPECIFICALLY. THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE DONE TODAY. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU ALL ATTENTION OF THE PROJECTS THAT CAN BE DONE. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING TO COUNSEL, YOU'RE NOT AT 25%. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESERVES. WE ARE AT A SKELETON BUDGET. YOUR SOURCES OF REVENUES ARE THE SAME. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AND I'M STANDING HERE IN JULY, SAYING THE SAME THINGS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCE OR INCREASE THAT REVENUE IN ORDER TO GO LIKE WE USED TO UNDER FULL SIZE BUDGET WITHOUT BEING CONSTRAINED, BUT I ADVISED THREE YEARS. BUT I CAME BACK AT THREE YEAR SKELETON BUDGET. THIS IS JUST NUMBER TWO. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESERVES. YOU'RE ONE DISASTER AWAY WITHOUT ANY RESERVES. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FBA WOULD DO. WE HAVE NOT FINISHED PAYING THE LAST EMERGENCY BOND. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN REIMBURSED FROM THE LAST EMERGENCY FROM FBA. A LOT TO THROW AT YOU, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU WHAT IT WOULD COST, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO DO. I SUGGEST TO FINISH THE PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE GOING NOW AND MOVE FORWARD. IF YOU DO ANYTHING, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE MONIES AND TO FULFILL THE WHOLE PROJECT, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SCALE BACK. I>> AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT, SUZY. BUT IT'S NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR TO ME. JUST WALK ME THROUGH IT ONE MORE TIME ON SOME OF THE STUFF. THE REIMBURSEMENT THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO FROM TO THE WATER FUND WITH USING THE KARIL FEES? >> YES. THAT IS THE DEVELOPERS PAY THEIR KARIL FEES THAT IS PUT IN FEE 96. WHICH DOES NOT INVOLVE. >> WE CAN MOVE THAT, AND THAT'S FINE. I SUPPORT YOU ON THAT. YOU WANT TO REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND FOR THAT? >> YES. >> BUT THE THREE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING TO USE TO FUND THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S OVER THE 800. >> IT'S OVER THE 800? >> YES. IT'S OVER THE 800. BUT YOU DO HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN THE GENERAL FUND ON THE PARISH STREET THAT'S OUR MONEY THAT I CAN USE IT OUT OF THERE. >> BUT DON'T YOU THINK THE PARISH STREET IS GOING TO BE MORE? >> NO. UP TO 2.8. IT CAME IN A LOWER BID, BUT I PUT IT TO THE MAXIMUM BID. >> YOU DID. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. [03:05:04] IF YOU'VE UP THAT YOU THINK YOU STILL HAVE 194,000 LEFTOVER? YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT 194,000 DOWN TO ADD TO THE 831 TO FINISH THESE THREE PROJECTS DOWN HERE. YOU STILL HAVE THE 3 MILLION LEFTOVER OR WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE OF THE 3 MILLION AND THE 1.4 ON THE 28 AND THAT'S EVEN AFTER LORRAINE. >> YES, SIR. >> YOU STILL HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER FOR WATER PROJECTS. >> THE FIRE STATION STILL SITS THERE AT 500,000. YOU DIDN'T DEDUCT IT, DID YOU? AFTER YOU TAKE THE 1.1 MILLION FROM THE 288 MATCH, YOU STILL HAVE 1.2 LEFT OVER. IF YOU ADD BACK THE 500,000, YOU HAVE 1.7 LEFT. DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT MONEY YET? >> WELL, I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY DO HAVE PLANS FOR THE 500,000. I LEFT IT THERE. TO USE TO UTILIZE THAT. >> I STILL GET THIS 1.2 MILLION LEFT IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR STREETS IF WE NEEDED IT. >> WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT IN YOUR WATER FUND. >> WHY IS THAT? >> BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF 2.7 MILLION LEFT TOGETHER. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHETHER I WANT THE WATER FUND TO PAY MORE TOWARDS THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR USE SOME OF THE GENERAL FUND MONEY. >> WELL, WE'RE ON A TIGHT ROPE HERE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WATER PROJECTS AND STREET PROJECTS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY STREETS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. YOU STILL HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER IN THE WATER. >> I STILL HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER IF I USE SOME OF THE WATER FUND. IF I USE A MILLION OUT OF THE WATER FUND TO FINISH OUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS, AND LEAVE OPEN A MILLION GENERAL FUND. I CAN DO THAT. >> I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE US TARGET THAT 1.2 MILLION OR WHATEVER IS LEFT OVER FROM THAT 2022 BOND. >> I WILL BE ELIMINATING YOUR 2022 BOND, THE 2018 BOND, AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT OF THE 2022 IS THE 500,000. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? >> I'M SORRY. >> THE 500,000? THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS ON THE AGENDA. HOWEVER. >> IT WAS LONG. >> WE TOOK IT OFF. WE DIDN'T KNOW IF CS STOLE THAT OR NOT, BUT SHE GAVE IT BACK. I'M NOT STEALING IT. >> BUT I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED MAYBE A PREFAB MODULAR TYPE, I GUESS. >> WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR REPAIRS AND OTHER UPKEEP AT THE STATION OUTSIDE OF THAT BUILDING. >> MAYBE TURNING OUR ATTENTION ELSEWHERE, BUT COULD YOU STILL UTILIZE THAT MONEY TO HELP GIVE YOU THINGS YOU NEED? >> YES. >> YOU SAID YOU'RE CLEARING THE 2022 BOND. YOU STILL HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER. WHERE ARE YOU CLEARING IT TO? >> THE MONEY THE LEFT OVER, I USED FOR THE MATCH. FOR THE TWO-MILLION MATCH. >> 1.1 MILLION OF THE MATCH. YOU SHOW 2358, 2.4 MILLION ROUGHLY AROUND IT, MINUS THE 1.1 GIVES ME 1.2 POINT SOMETHING. YOU STILL HAVE LEFTOVERS. WHERE IS THAT GOING? >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY AT ALL FOR THE 288 PROJECT. THE WHOLE PROJECT IS 2.4 MILLION. >> THAT'S RIGHT. BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE TAKING PART OF THAT THREE MILLION THAT YOU HAD LEFT OVER ON THE WATER. YOU CAN EITHER HAVE IT LEFT ON WATER, OR YOU CAN HAVE IT LEFT ON THE GENERAL FUND. ALL I DID WAS WHATEVER MONEY WAS LEFT AND THEN SUBTRACT EVERYTHING OUT. IT JUST LEFT ME 2.7 MILLION. I CAN EITHER TAKE THE 2.7, GIVE IT ALL TO THE WATER AND SEWER PLANT, BECAUSE BASICALLY, WE USED UP ALL THEIR MONEY. OR I CAN LEAVE SOME TO THE GENERAL FUND AND SOME TO THE WATER FUND. >> 1.5 MILLION WATER. 1.2 MILLION STREET. >> YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE LEFT IN THE GENERAL FUND UNLESS IT'S THE GENERAL FUND. >> BUT IT'S HOW IT'S SPLIT TO 288 PROJECT. >> HOW DO YOU SEPARATE IT? I CAN SEPARATE 50-50. THAT'S WHAT YOU'D LIKE. I CAN DO THAT. [03:10:01] >> I WOULD THINK SO. WE'VE GOT STREETS THAT HAVE TO BE REPAIRED, AND WE HAVE WATER AS TO BE DONE. GOT TO DO BOTH. I MEAN, I'M JUST ONE PERSONAL. I AGREE. >> I AGREE. MAKES SENSE. >> ANY MONEY TOWARDS THE RESERVE. >> I'M GOING WITH THIS? >> 200,000 PER PERCENTAGE. OR YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I'M NOT TAKING IT UNTIL THE PROJECTS ARE BEING DONE. BUT I WILL EARMARK THEM. I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WE HAVE STILL HAVE MONEY HERE AND I'M TAKING IT. NO. >> THAT'S WHY I LIKE YOU BEING HERE. >> NO. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO FOR THE 288 PROJECT, I'M MOVING THE MONEY TO THAT PROJECT. >> I AGREE. >> WE LOVE YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> I MEAN, SORRY GUYS. >> NO. DO IT. >> NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> THESE PROJECTS, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN COMING TO THE COUNCIL. WE NEED THIS, WE NEED THIS. I THINK WE FINISHED THESE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD. THE CITIZENS CAN SEE YOU'RE DOING THINGS IN ALL AREAS OF THE CITY. SOUTH SIDE, WEST SIDE, PARKS, AND THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE COMING IN IN THE SPRING FOR FREEDOM PARK. ABLC TAKES UP THAT PAINT. >> I'D LOVE TO. THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS. I KNOW HECTOR HAS A LOT OF PROJECTS. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS. >> YES. >> WE STILL NEED THE TRANSFER SWITCH FOR THE WATER WELLS. >> WE'VE GOT ENOUGH PROJECTS TO KEEP US BUSY THIS YEAR FOR SURE, AND HOPEFULLY INTO THE NEXT YEAR. I THINK AS LONG AS WE KEEP DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING CORRECTLY WITH OUR BUDGET, WE GET BACK UP, AND WE CAN GO OUT FOR ANOTHER DEBT SERVICE IN ABOUT THREE, TWO YEARS. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY? >> TWO YEARS. > I WAS GOING TO SAY THREE, BUT OKAY. GOOD. STREETS. THEN THAT PUTS US IN A GOOD POSITION TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH PROJECTS. GETTING THINGS OFF THE LIST. >> I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT FOR A BOND IN TWO YEARS, SO I MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A PLAN STARTED WITHIN THE NEXT, LIKE, I WANT. I WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING, SO WE'RE NOT HERE. 2025, SPINNING 2022. >> ACTUALLY, 2018. >> IN WHAT FOR? >> COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, SUSY? >> I'M GOING TO THROW ONE THING OUT THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THIS IS BEING FUNDED FOR, IF IT'S NOT, WHICH IS FINE. I COULD HAVE SWORN, AND IT MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH ABLC, BUT I COULD HAVE SWORE THEY CAME TO US FROM BATES ABOUT AGSA AND ANOTHER BALL PART. >> IT'S ON HERE. THE BATES PARK EXTRA FIELD 350. AMENDING. WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS YOU TALK ABOUT FREEDOM PARK AND ABO PARK, AND YOU'RE ADDING THE EXTRA 315 AND 325. WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBER YET, SO I KNOW IT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE. >> IT'S AN ESTIMATE. >> I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE- >> IT MIGHT BE LESS. THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S BE SEPARATED, BUT UNTIL THE PROJECTS ARE DONE, WE DON'T KNOW. >> YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT WORSE THAN THIS, SUSY. >> I NEED DIRECTION. I NEED TO TAKE THE MONEY AND DIVIDE. >> COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ACTION FOR SUSY? >> I WOULD RECOMMEND ALL OF HER RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I WANT TO FOLLOW HER PLAN. MAKE A MOTION. >> YES. PLEASE ESTABLISH THE FUND BALANCES AS YOU OUTLINED. THAT'S A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION FOR SUSY TO ESTABLISH THE FUND BALANCES AS SHE OUTLINED, COUNCIL. >> THAT'S BASICALLY THE FEEDBACK FROM JOHN STREET AND WATER. >> I SECOND. >> WELL, WE'RE GOING TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION. >> WE ARE. >> BUT IT'S VERY EASY TO FALL BACK WHEN CATASTROPHE CAN REALLY HURT YOU. [03:15:06] >> YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING EARLIER BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING EARLIER ABOUT THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENT. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE FOR THAT, BUT HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? >> WE HAVE GOTTEN REIMBURSED ABOUT 53,000 OF THE GENERAL ONES, THE SMALL ONES. THE BIG ONE, WHICH IS THE DEBRIS REMOVAL, WHICH IS THE TWO MILLION THAT WE REALLY ARE NEEDING. NOW, SINCE IT'S OVER A MILLION, IT'S GONE TO THE STATE. THAT'S WHERE THAT IS. OF COURSE, ALL THE MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED FROM FEMA IS PUT INTO A SEPARATE ACCOUNT BECAUSE THAT IS TO BE PAID TOWARDS VON. I'VE RECEIVED 186,000 SO FAR. >> BUT THAT 2 MILLION IS LACKING. WHAT'S LOOMING OUT THERE? >> TWO MILLION AND A HALF IS OUT THERE. >> IF WE GET IT SOON. >> IT'S DUE IN FOUR YEARS. THAT'S 2.5 CENTS OF YOUR MNO. >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTON, AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN THAT MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 20. [20. Discussion and possible action on approving Resolution No. 20251209-020 casting votes for the Board of Directors of the Brazoria County Appraisal District] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 20251209-020, CASTING VOTES FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE MISSOURI COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. >> COUNCIL, YOU HAVE 17 VOTES FOR THIS BCAT BALLOT, SO YOU CAN PUT THEM ALL TOWARD SUSAN SPORE, WHO YOU GUYS NOMINATED TO BE ON THE BALLOT, OR YOU CAN SEPARATE THEM. >> COUNSEL? >> MAKE A MOTION TO PUT ALL 17 TOWARDS SUSAN SPORE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNSEL MCDANIEL, SECONDED BY COUNSEL SERGEANT. ALL VOTES ARE GOING TO MISS SPORE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE? FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. ONTO THE FAVOR PART OF THE NIGHT. [21. November Department Reports] APARTMENT REPORTS. I NUMBER 21, NOVEMBER DEPARTMENT REPORTS. WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? >> FIRST, MICHELLE, YOU HAVE ON YOURS, 49 BOXES WERE DESTROYED? HOW MANY BOXES REMAIN? >> I WOULD SAY WE STILL MAYBE HAVE ABOUT 200 BOXES. SOME OF THOSE BOXES ARE PERMANENT, BUT SOME OF THOSE ARE COMING UP FOR DESTRUCTION. >> DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED MOVE-IN YET ON THE K MONK? >> SUMMER. >> SUMMER. IT'S COMING ALONG PRETTY NICELY. >> IN THE NEXT MARKETS IN MARCH 2021. THE THIRD WEEKEND IN MARCH. >> AROUND. >> WE'RE HERE, FILAS. >> I WAS SURPRISED IN YOUR MARKETING FOR THE SALES PERFORMANCE ON MARKET DAYS THAT 28% REPORTED BELOW EXPECTATIONS, WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU HAD THERE. >> IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE A LOT OF THE VENDORS TOLD US THAT A LOT OF THE SHOWS THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS YEAR HAVE BEEN DOWN IN THEIR SALES. I THOUGHT IF YOU TOOK WHAT THEY GOT THE EXPECTATION AND GREATER, BUT THAT WAS A GOOD NUMBER, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD ABOUT THEM HAVING A TOUGH YEAR. BUT YEAH, GREAT CROWD. GREAT WEATHER. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, MARTHA. I'D LIKE SOMETHING ELSE IN THE STAFF REPORT. YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR AREA. I'D LIKE US TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THREE COMPANIES IN THE CITY, A MONTH, JUST TO REACH OUT TO THEM, FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR BUSINESSES, AND MAYBE GET A REPORT IN THAT WOULD SAY, DO THEY NEED ARE THEY LOOKING FOR EXPANSION? DO THEY HAVE RETENTION OPPORTUNITIES? [03:20:01] I'M THINKING ABOUT THE BIG ONES RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE PEOPLE IN THE MISSOURI COUNTY, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT CENTRAL MISSOURI COUNTY BUSINESS DISTRICT? THEN WHO ARE WHO'S A COMPANY THAT WE HAVE OVER ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN NEXT TO THE FISH FOOD? >> 3M. >> 3M. RANGAN. >> RANGAN. >> I THINK MAKING SURE THEY KNOW WE'RE HERE, AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH THEM. I THINK GETTING OUT IN FRONT. THEN MAYBE WE COULD JUST YOU CAN PUT A REPORT IN HERE THAT SHOWS [OVERLAPPING]. >> HOW THEY ARE DOING. >> IF THEY NEED SOMETHING FROM THE CITY, IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES, OR THAT. >> OKAY. >> I DON'T CARE HOW WE DO IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE WITH OUR BUSINESSES AND MAKING SURE THEY KNOW WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT THEM. >> GO AHEAD I'M SORRY. >> GO AHEAD. NO GO AHEAD >> ALBICO AREAS, HAVE WE DONE ANY MARKETING. >> FOR THE CORPORATE PART? >> YES, FOR THE CORPORATE PARTS. >> WE'RE FINISHING THAT RIGHT NOW. ACTUALLY, JASON AND I HAVE A VISIT ABOUT THAT TODAY. WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THE AREAS FAMILY ABOUT THE MEMORIALIZATION PIECE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW THEY WANT TO DO IT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 501C3 PIECE AND RUNNING IT THROUGH ABIGAIL'S REACH. WE DO NOT HAVE TO ESTABLISH THAT AND FUND THE MONEY THROUGH THE CITY? >> THAT'S GOOD. >> HE IS CHECKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. WE HAVE PROBABLY THREE FOURTHS OF THE VIDEO DONE WITH ALL THE INTERVIEWS WITH THE FAMILY AND ALL OF THAT. WE JUST NEED TO PUT THE DONOR PIECE ON THE VERY END, SO WE'RE JUST ABOUT DONE. >> HAVE YOU REACHED OUT INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT GROUPS? >> NO. NOT YET. >> THAT CONSIDERED CORPORATE? >> NO I THINK IT'LL BE PROBABLY SOCIAL MEDIA, IT'LL BE FAMILIES, IT'LL BE EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME [NOISE]. >> OTIS OR KYLE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY REPORT, ALL THE NEW RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. DOES THAT INCLUDE ONLY WHAT'S INSIDE THE CITY OR ALL THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE WINDOWS GREEN OR ASHLAND? ARE THEY IN THIS NUMBER? >> WINDOWS. >> WINDOWS IS IN ASHLAND NOW. >> RIGHT. [NOISE] >> THERE'S NO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON THE OUTSKIRTS, IS THERE? >> OTHERWISE PERMIT. >> GO AHEAD. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, BREN, IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN TO IT, THE 2025 NEW BUSINESS REPORT? >> THAT'S NICE. >> EVERYBODY SHOP LOCAL, DINE LOCAL. LOTS OF NEW BUSINESSES. LOOK OVER THE LIST. >> I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, PLANET FITNESS PERMIT ISSUE, WASN'T THAT LIKE A WHILE BACK? >> TALKING WITH THE ARCHITECT AND SHOULD IT BE ANY TIME TO START. >> IT'S NOT DEAD. >> NO. >> JUST WONDERING. I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE. HECTOR, DID YOU GIVE US THE STREET THE DITCH LIST? IS IT IN HERE? >> CANARA IS COMPLETE NEXT, YOU'RE DOING HOSPITAL DRIVING? >> YES AND THAT'S WHAT'S LISTED UP COMING AND WE HAVE A ROLLING DITCH CUTTING SHEET 2 THAT WE'VE BEEN POSTING. I BELIEVE WE PASSED IT TO MARTHA, I BELIEVE YOU DID THAT LAST TIME WE HAD CREATE WHEN WE FIRST CREATED IT AND SO WE JUST PLAN ON TRYING TO POST THAT MONTHLY. I DON'T THINK WE'LL POST IN DECEMBER, JUST DUE TO THE A LOT OF STAFF'S BEEN OUT, AND WE'RE ALSO JUST LOST CDL DRIVER TODAY. I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET TOO MUCH DONE HERE IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, BUT WE'RE WORKING AT IT. >> FANTASTIC WORK. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL THE CITIZENS TO KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE OUT THERE FOR THEM. >> WE GOT OUR OTHER GRADE ALL HAS BEEN REPAIRED, SO WE'LL BE GETTING IT BACK HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK SOMETIME. [03:25:01] >> WHERE'S THE LIST? I STILL DON'T SEE THE LIST OF THE STREETS. >> IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. >> IS NOT INCLUDED. >> IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE SEPARATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE POSTING MONTHLY. IT'S LIKE A ROLLING JUST A ROLLING LIST THAT HAS NEXT STREETS WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING JUST LIKE YOU HAD ASKED FOR. >> LACK WORDS. >> THE PATH STRUCK WILL BE HERE TO THIS WEEK? >> THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN PROMISED. BUT I'VE BEEN PROMISED OTHER DATES ALREADY, TOO. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT FOR THE CITY? >> YES, I AGREE. ESPECIALLY LIKE I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER WE'RE GOING TO START DOING JUST SOME PILOTING AND JUST TRY TO SEE HOW FEASIBLE IT IS FOR US TO DO AN ENTIRE LANE OR ENTIRE STRETCH OF ROADWAY AND FROM THERE, WE'LL SEE WHERE WE END UP AT. >> HECTOR'S DRAINAGE LIST IS UNDER 21. PAGE 326. [NOISE] EQUIPMENT, DRAINAGE WATER TREATMENT. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> THAT'S JUST A CURRENT. THAT'S CURRENT TO THE MONTH OF THE REPORT SO IT'S LIKE WHAT WE ENDED UP COMPLETING IN NOVEMBER. THEN IT'S ALSO LIKE WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP NEXT IMMEDIATELY. BUT WHAT JOHN'S REFERRING TO IS WE'VE CREATED A SPREADSHEET THAT HAS LIKE EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND IT'S GOT TOTALS AND FOOTAGE THAT WE'VE DONE LIKE THAT DAY AND FOR THAT ENTIRE PROJECT, HOW MANY CULVERTS WE CLEAN INCLUDED IN THAT SECTION AND THEN IT JUST KEEPS ROLLING INTO ALL OUR NEXT LISTING. >> WE ENOUGH TIME AND DOING AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. >> DEPENDS. LIKE CADEA TOOK SOMETHING 7 OR 8 TOTAL DAYS, TOTAL WORKING DAYS TO COMPLETE SO IT JUST DEPENDS. LIKE WE'RE WORKING ON A HOSPITAL DRIVE AREA, WHICH IS JUST A SMALL STRETCH FROM A BRUSHY BAYU OUT TO THE END OF THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE THEM 2 OR 3 DAYS SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE LENGTH OF IT. BECAUSE WE'RE STILL AVERAGING ABOUT THE SAME, LIKE RIDE AROUND 200 AND 250 FEET A DAY. >> WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WORKING ON DITCHES EVERY WEEK. >> CORRECT. YES. AS LONG AS I HAVE A GRAD OPERATOR THAT DAY AND A CDL DRIVER, WE'RE OUT THERE WERE AND IT'S NOT PONED DOWN HERE. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIRT SITUATION, THE TIME IT'S TAKING BETWEEN LOADS YOU FILL UP THE DUMP TRUCK, YOU GOT TO GO DUMP IT. >> CORRECT SO TALKING WITH JASON WE CAN GO OVER THERE AND DUMP AT A WELCH PARK. I JUST NEED TO WORK WITH STEWART TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT AT. BUT WE CAN DO THAT. >> I FIGURED IT MAY WORK. >> IT'S AN OPTION. >> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE. GUYS SITTING THERE WAITING 30, 45 MINUTES FOR HIM TO COME BACK TO START. DIRT IN. >> IT'S NICE TO HAVE ONE ON EACH SIDE OF TOWN. WE ALSO HAVE WASTEWATER PLANT WE CAN DUMP AT. >> IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PUTTING TRASH OUT THERE. >> EXACTLY. >> WE SHOULD EMBRACE IT AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT DIRT OUT THERE, THEN WE CAN IT'S BURNS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIRT FIGHT TRACK [OVERLAPPING] >> MARKET IT A LITTLE BIT. >> DIRT IT. >> THERE WE GO. >> THE SWEEPER BAG. >> LEMONADE. >> THE SWEEPER IS FIXED. >> YOU'LL HAVE A SCHEDULE OR Y'ALL? >> WE HAVE A LIST. WE HAVEN'T TURNED IT INTO A SCHEDULE YET BECAUSE WE JUST GOT IT BACK. >> HAVE YOU DONE SOME STREETS? >> WE HAVE NOT. SINCE GETTING IT BACK BECAUSE WE GOT IT BACK. WE GOT SOME WET WEATHER AND AGAIN, AND I THINK I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU ALL ABOUT MAY [INAUDIBLE] WHEN THIS SWEEPER IS UP FOR A LEASE, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE TYPE. IT IS BECAUSE THE CURRENT TYPE WE HAVE IS NOT VERY GOOD FOR SWEEPING UP LEAVES SO WHEN IT RAINS, AND IF WE SEND IT OUT THERE, IT'S JUST GOING TO DRAG EVERYTHING BY, AND THEN PEOPLE WILL CALL US BACK. I THOUGHT YOU WERE COMING TO SWEEP MY STREET. YOU DIDN'T. >> VERY GOOD. >> BUT YES, THAT'LL ACTUALLY BE IN JUNE WHEN THAT LEASE IS UP FOR THAT SWEEPER SO YES. >> YOU HAVE IN YOUR REPORT THAT YOU DID THE BID OPENINGS FOR THE STREET BOND PACKAGE ON DECEMBER 2. DID THAT HAPPEN? >> YES. >> YES. >> YOU'LL STAY AFTER I WANT TO TALK TO YOU. I WANT TO KNOW NUMBERS. >> WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? YOU GOT THE BID PACKAGE BACK. THE NEXT STEP. >> I'M GOING THROUGH THE CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW. REFERENCES. >> THEN FROM THERE, IT'LL TURN INTO A LETTER RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WILL COME TO YOU ALL. SELECT THE CONTRACTOR. THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL MEET WITH THE CONTRACTOR, AND THEN WE CAN SELECT THE DATE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO PROCEED. >> CAUSE IN THE POINT IS STILL WORKING ON SEWERS DRIVE, SO THEY'RE WALKING ALONG OUT THERE. BIG GIANT HOLES. [LAUGHTER] DON'T WALK AT NIGHT WITH YOUR DOG. >> NO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS, HECTOR. [03:30:01] >> COUNCIL. ANY COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL? >> I DID HAVE A QUESTION IF WE NEEDED TO REVISIT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM ABOUT THE INTER REGARDING THE REPAVING OF THE HENDERSON PART THAT NOW WHEN ROSE GREEN IS GOING TO BE DOING SOME. >> I ALMOST HAD A PULL FROM THE CONSENT EARLIER TOO. THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL. IT'S ALREADY BEEN A MOTION APPROVED. COUNCIL WANTS TO REVISIT IT. >> NEXT QUESTION. >> IF WE WANT TO BRING BACK OUT OF CONSENT THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH MISSOURI COUNTY FOR THE STREET O RELAYS SINCE THE NEW INFORMATION WE FOUND OUT. >> ABOUT THE DATE ON WHEN YOU'LL ARE STARTING THAT INTERSECTION. >> NOT YET. >> THAT'S WHERE IT WAS BEFORE IS WE WEREN'T SURE WE HAD GOTTEN THE PLAN, THE CONCEPT OF IT, BUT WE WEREN'T SURE WHEN IT WAS COMING OUT, IT WAS COMING. THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO JUST GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH IT. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A DATE YET, EITHER, SO I'M NOT SURE. >> HOW MUCH AREA ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU KNOW? >> I DON'T OFF HEAD, BUT I KNOW WHAT IT IS A LEFT HAND TURN LANE TO ENTER INTO WINDOW RING TRAFFIC. >> IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO AFFECT OUR OVERLAY. >> IT WILL BE A FEW HUNDRED FEET WORTH OF WORK. >> WHEN I LOOK AT IF WE OBVIOUSLY GO IN THERE AND OVERLAY AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO ON WIDEN IT, IT'S LIKE WE WASTED FUNDING ON THAT SECTION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY REPAY WHEN THEY WIDENED IT. OR VICE VERSA, IF THEY COMPLETE THAT FIRST BEFORE WE EVER GET TO THE OVERLAY, WE WE CAN SHIFT THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE LEFT THAT SECTION OUT OF THAT FROM BOOK TO BACK SO WE COULD ALWAYS JUST COMPENSATE THAT AMOUNT AND BACK END THAT AND COMPLETE THAT PORTION OF HENDERSON. >> THAT'S WHERE I WAS WHEN YOU BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER. >> I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU TO USE ON. >> MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN JUST WORK THIS OUT ON THE FLY. >> YES AND I'LL JUST GET IN CONTACT WITH AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THE INTERSECTION AT THIS POINT. >> PERFECT. I ASSUME YOU'VE BEEN WORKING. >> YES. >>.YES. >> CORRECT. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> WE CAN MAYBE YOU CAN JUST WORK TOGETHER TO SAVE EVERYBODY MONEY AND TIME AND HEAD. >> WE AT LEAST JUST LEAVE THAT SECTION OR MAYBE DON'T TOUCH THAT SECTION IF WE GOT A SOLID DATE WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO START ON IT. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. >> THANK YOU. >> [INAUDIBLE] SEEING ALL WRONG PROMISE. >> THANK YOU. >> I GUESS ON COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, [COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL] I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PD AND ALL THE OFFICERS WHO SHOWED UP LAST NIGHT FOR SHOP CO AND MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND TAKING HIS TIME TO TAKE TWO KIDS THROUGH. ALSO THE HOLIDAY SEASONS HERE. I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR, SO I WON'T SEE YOU SINCE CLAUS MOST LIKELY TO BE HERE. BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THIS YEAR. HOPEFULLY, YOU FIND SOME TIME TO SPEND WITH YOUR FAMILY AND NOT UP HERE, SUZY. [LAUGHTER] >> DECEMBER 31. >> NO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE STAFF AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING AND IT'S NOT GOING UNNOTICED. FOR SURE. HART OF CHRISTMAS. THAT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> THE PARKS CREW THAT STAYED LATE THAT NIGHT, AND THEY CLEANED EVERYTHING UP. THEY WERE OUT THERE TILL 11:00, 12:00, WRAPPING THINGS UP, PUTTING IT UP. IT'S THE UNSUNG HEROES. >> SOME DON'T KNOW, BUT STEWART WAS OUT THERE AT THE SOCCER FIELDS THIS WEEKEND DURING THAT TOURNAMENT WHERE WE HAD ABOUT 2000 PEOPLE OUT THERE AND PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS OUT THERE HELPING PICK UP TRASH AND TAKE STUFF OUT AND IT REALLY SHOWED WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD COMPLIMENTS FROM PEOPLE FROM THE WOODLANDS, FROM PEOPLE FROM ROSENBERG WHO WERE OUT THERE AND SAID, THIS IS A GREAT FACILITY. THEY HOPE WE HOST MORE TOURNAMENTS IN THE FUTURE. ANYBODY ELSE? NO PERFECT TERMS. >> HOW? >> YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB THIS YEAR. WE FACED A LOT OF OBSTACLES THIS YEAR, A LOT AND I THINK WE ALL WHO SAT IN THIS ROOM, KNOW IT. WE'RE JUST UP HERE AND YOU'LL IN THE WOODS FIGHTING DAY TO DAY, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND SO IT'S NOT OVERLOOKED AND SINCERELY APPRECIATED. I THINK WE ARE HEADED INTO THE RIGHT PLACES, [03:35:01] AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY ELSE. WE SURE HOPE THAT YOU'LL GET TO ENJOY YOUR FAMILY AT THIS SPECIAL TIME OF YEAR, SO YOUR LOVED ONES. >> THANKS TO ALL OF YOU. IT WAS A GREAT YEAR. BEING UP HERE THE LAST 7 OR 8 MONTHS. I COULDN'T DO THIS JOB WITHOUT THE TIME I'VE HAD WITH EVERY ONE OF YOU IN YOUR OWN DEPARTMENTS. TAKING OUT OF YOUR TIME OUT OF YOUR BUSY DAY TO HELP ME AND COUNCILMAN SIMMONS, UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT YOU NEED SO I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. >> I SAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE COULDN'T DO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITHOUT Y'ALL. THERE'S THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GIVE US IS HOW WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS AND ALL ARE DETAILED AND SPECIFIC. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THE TEAMWORK JUST HAS SHOWN THROUGH ALL EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE FACED OVER THE PAST AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE. I WOULDN'T BE EXCITED WITHOUT ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK SO THANK YOU. I REALLY HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR HOLIDAYS, RELAX. >> ON ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY APPRECIATE IS THE ENTHUSIASM THAT I SEE IN EVERYBODY NOW. THERE'S JUST BEEN A DEFINITE CHANGE AND I KNOW IN MY ATTITUDE, FOR SURE SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. >> THANKS FOR PUTTING UP WITH US. >> YES. [LAUGHTER] >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT EARLIER, BUT I WAS LIKE, MAN, I PARTY. >> I THINK ALSO, AS I END THIS, I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO THE COUNCIL. THIS IS A GREAT COUNCIL. I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND WE ALL SEE THINGS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE SEEING HERE TO. >> SAME HERE. >> SEE MY LEARNER. >> I HAVE TO SAY THANKS TO MAYOR WRIGHT FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT IN SHOP WITH A COP AS WELL. HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD HIMSELF ON THE BACK SO SOMEBODY HAD TO DO IT. >> I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? THERE'S NO EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT SO GUESS WHAT? WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO ADJOURN AT 9:38? >> THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.