[DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER ] [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THE ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR TUESDAY, MAY 26TH. WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TONIGHT. MISSING OUR MAYOR PRO TEM. WE WISH HIM AND THE. I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN NINE NEW BLU RAY TEAM. ALL THE BEST TONIGHT. THEY'RE PLAYING IN PEARLAND. SO HE'S NOT WITH US TONIGHT. SO I WOULD ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE AND THEN REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION BY PASTOR BRAD DUBOSE FROM ANGLETON CENTRAL ASSEMBLY OF GOD. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I WANT TO THANK MAYOR WRIGHT AND THE COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING THIS GREAT PRIVILEGE HERE TODAY. IN SECOND CORINTHIANS, PAUL SAID THAT IT'S A. IT IS GOD WHO PROVIDES SEED FOR THE FORMER FARMER AND BREAD TO EAT. IN THE SAME WAY, HE WILL PROVIDE AND INCREASE YOUR RESOURCES AND THEN PRODUCE A GREAT HARVEST OF GENEROSITY IN YOU. I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND THIS COUNCIL WAS VOTING ON WHETHER TO ALLOW OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OF THE CHURCH RAIN TO LEAVE A TRAVEL TRAILER WHILE HER MOTHER DIED IN HER YARD. Y'ALL MADE THAT DECISION. SHE DIED A FEW WEEKS LATER. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. AND I AM PROUD TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. FATHER, I JUST ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THIS COUNCIL MEETING AND ON THESE MEMBERS. LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL JUST OPEN THE FLOODGATES OF HEAVEN OVER THEIR LIVES. BLESS THEM WITH WISDOM. BLESS THEM WITH UNDERSTANDING. LORD, AS YOU'VE ALREADY PROVEN TO HAVE DONE. AND I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WILL JUST SHOW UP IN THEIR LIVES AND AS THEY MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR LORD FOR THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY, I PRAY GOD THAT YOU WILL JUST GRANT THEM FAVOR. LORD, AS AS PEOPLE GET UPSET FOR THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE, JUST GIVE THEM A CONFIDENCE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS, BUT THEY'RE MAKING THEM WITH YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR HELP, LORD, YOU GIVE SEED TO THE SOWER AND BREAD. LORD, AFTERWARDS, I PRAY THAT YOU BLESS THIS MEETING. IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO INVOCATION. [1. Presentation of the Brazoria County Recovery Committee Recognition Proclamation ] SORRY. CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS ITEM NUMBER ONE PRESENTATION OF THE BRAZORIA COUNTY RECOVERY COMMITTEE RECOGNITION PROCLAMATION COUNCIL, WOULD YOU PLEASE. AND WITH MEMBERS FROM THE RESERVE COUNTY RECOVERY CENTER. PLEASE COME UP. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. A PLEASURE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU, RANDY. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. BUT REALLY, IT'S THE COMMITTEE AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM. SO IT'S MORE ABOUT THEM. THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO. YOU'RE MAKING A BIG DIFFERENCE. OFFICE OF THE MAYOR OF ANGLETON. TEXAS. PROCLAMATION. AS BRAZORIA COUNTY RECOVERY CENTER HAS DEMONSTRATED AN UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE RESIDENTS OF BRAZORIA COUNTY. AND WHEREAS THE DEDICATED TEAM MEMBERS OF HCRC, CRYSTAL MORRIS, JORDAN WEEKS, ANDREA. MEEKS, DONNA. KITCHENS, RANDY. TOOMBS, SAM KENDRICK AND KRISTY WARNOCK HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO PROVIDE LIFE SAVING SERVICES, ADVOCACY, EDUCATION AND OUTREACH THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY. WHEREAS HCRC HAS PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN OVERDOSE PREVENTION, MAINTAINING NARCAN VENDING MACHINES, DISTRIBUTING NARCAN TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IN NEED, AND HOSTING THE LARGEST RESOURCE FAIR IN MISSOURI COUNTY, HELPING SAVING COUNTLESS LIVES. WHEREAS, HCRC HAS PARTNERED WITH SPECIALTY COURTS AND ASSISTED IN BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN THE JAIL SYSTEM AND EVALUATORS, CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR REHABILITATION, RECOVERY AND POSITIVE CHANGE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. WHEREAS, HCRC HAS FURTHER DEMONSTRATED ITS DEDICATION TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZING, SUICIDE AWARENESS EVENTS, PROVIDING SCHOLARSHIPS TO INDIVIDUALS IN NEED AND SUPPORTING LOCAL NONPROFITS, AND CONTRIBUTING EXTENSIVE VOLUNTEER SERVICES TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN WRIGHT THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON, ALONG WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM. MAY 26TH, 2026 IS RECOGNIZED AS BRAZORIA COUNTY RECOVERY CENTER DAY. [00:05:02] PROCLAIM THIS 26TH DAY OF MAY 2026. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. TWO, TWO COULD COME DOWN HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM, PLEASE. THANK YOU. SORRY. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD. ONE. TWO. THREE. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA CRANK IT DOWN TO 68. BRING ME A HEATER. THAT'S THE SPIRIT. OKAY. [CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ] DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO NOT. MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. [CONSENT AGENDA ] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF THE MAY 12TH, 2026. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 12TH, 2026. SECOND COUNCILMAN SARTIN. SECOND COUNCILMAN SMITH FOR APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. [3. Conduct a public hearing, discussion, and possible action to receive comments regarding the 2026 Standards of Care under which the Angleton Parks and Recreation Department will operate youth recreational programs and to approve Ordinance No. 20260526-003 amending and adopting the 2026 Standards of Care for Youth Programs by revising Chapter 17 – Parks and Recreation, Article 1 – In General, Section 17-3 Standards of Care for Youth Recreational Programs. ] ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER THREE CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING THE 2026 STANDARDS OF CARE. ANGLETON PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WILL OPERATE YOUTH RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS AND TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER (202) 605-2602. AMENDING AND ADOPTING THE 2026 STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS BY REVISING. CHAPTER 17 PARKS AND RECREATION, ARTICLE ONE AND GENERAL. SECTION 17-3. STANDARDS OF CARE FOR YOUTH RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS PURPOSELY MADE ME READ ALL THAT I DID. YEAH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BEFORE YOU IS OUR STANDARDS OF CARE TO ADOPT FOR 2026 AS READ IN THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE PURSUANT TO SECTION FOUR, 42.041 B 14 OF THE TEXAS HUMAN RESOURCE CODE. WE ARE REQUIRED TO ADOPT STANDARDS OF CARE BECAUSE OF THE CARE THAT WE PROVIDE FOR OUR SUMMER CAMP. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE LICENSING FOR IT OR GO INTO SEEK LICENSING, BUT WERE REQUIRED TO, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, GO THROUGH AND ADOPT A STANDARD OF CARE. THESE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY LEGAL. AGAIN, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. SO THIS IS JUST OUR ANNUAL TIME TO COME BEFORE YOU TO ADOPT THE STANDARDS OF CARE FOR US, SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR YOUTH CAMP OR FOR YOUTH AGE 5 TO 13. SO. COUNCIL MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. OPEN. A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON, FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION. ANYBODY WANT TO? GO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. AND NOW THE PUBLIC PUBLISHING COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. CHANGES. DID YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES FROM THE LAST ONE WE ADOPTED? NO. THE ONLY CHANGE WE MADE WAS THE YEAR. SO EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THIS ONE WAS CONSISTENT FROM WHAT LAST YEAR WAS. I OTHER THAN SOME VERBIAGE CLEANUP WHEN LEGAL DID A RECOMMENDATION WAS MINOR VERBIAGE DIDN'T CHANGE THE CONTENT OF THE ADOPTION. OKAY. AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE THE OPERATIONS LAST YEAR? NO, SIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20260526-003 ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR 2026. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DANIEL. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. [4. Discussion and possible action on a proposed text amendment to the Angleton Code of Ordinances, regarding Data Centers within the Angleton City Limits. ] ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ANGLETON CODE OF ORDINANCES REGARDING DATA CENTERS WITHIN THE ANGLETON [00:10:05] CITY LIMITS. THERE'S NOT MORE PEOPLE HERE. THIS ISN'T FACEBOOK. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU AS A DISCUSSION ITEM. ALSO A WORK SESSION. WHEREAS WE'LL INTRODUCE THE TOPIC DATA CENTERS IN TERMS OF A LAND USE AND ALSO ITS USE WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS, AS WELL AS HOW WE WOULD PROCESS REQUESTS THAT ARE OUT IN THE ETJ. SO WHAT I'LL DO TODAY, HOPEFULLY, IS JUST PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH THE INFORMATION. I DID PROVIDE ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS FOR YOUR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY SLIDE, BUT WE'LL RUSH THROUGH THEM AND PRESENT THE INFORMATION. THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW WHAT WE PROVIDED YOU. BASICALLY, IT'S JUST RESEARCH IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AROUND THE UNITED STATES AS WELL AS THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING TO ADDRESS THIS VITAL TOPIC. SO AS I STATED IN THE COVER, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER AS IT RELATES TO DATA CENTERS IN TERMS OF NOISE AND ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS, IN TERMS OF WHAT THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES WOULD IMPACT OUR SERVICES, SUCH AS UTILITIES, AND ALSO IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS ALSO I'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH CASE STUDIES OF OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. I DID A QUICK SEARCH ON WHAT OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS ARE DOING, AS WELL AS THE SEARCH AROUND THE VARIOUS COUNTIES AROUND TEXAS. WHAT YOU'LL FIND ON THE SPREADSHEETS IS THAT MOST OF THE CITIES ARE USING THE SPECIFIC USE PROCESS OR THE PLAN DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POSSIBILITIES IN WHICH IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE AN APPLICATION, HOW DO WE RUN THEM THROUGH DUE PROCESS LEGALLY. AND ALSO HOW DO WE APPLY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WE REVIEW THESE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T PROVIDE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IF YOU WOULD JUST FLIP THAT PARTICULAR SLIDE TO THE NEXT BASICALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AS IT RELATES TO ZONING IS WE'LL GET REQUESTS OUT IN THE ETJ, AS YOU SEE HERE. YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT THINGS THE CITY CAN DO OUTSIDE IN THE ETJ. WE BASICALLY HAVE SUBDIVISION AUTHORITY OUT IN THE ETJ. AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH LAND DEVELOPERS AS IT RELATES TO POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENTS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO FUTURE ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY. SO SOMETIMES THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ARE AGREEMENTS WHICH ARE ALSO FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY. AND THEN AS OF RECENT WITH THE 2038 BILL, WHICH IN WHICH PROPERTY OWNERS CAN REQUEST TO BE REMOVED FROM THE ETJ AND NOT INCUR ANY REVIEW OR APPROVALS THROUGH THE CITY. SO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY CAN REGULATE WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE ENFORCEABILITY TO LOOK AT OUR SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS ZONING AS IT RELATES TO LOT CONFIGURATION SITES, ROADS, UTILITIES, AS YOU SEE THERE, AND ALSO THE IMPACT ON OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE FULL AUTHORITY THERE WITH A SPECIFIC USE APPROACH. I MENTIONED IN THE COVER, I DID LOOK AT SOME REGULATIONS THAT WERE JUST PASSED ABOUT A MONTH AGO IN MISSOURI CITY. THEY ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE SPECIFIC USE PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THEM CASE BY CASE. AND ALSO YOU CAN DEVELOP POLICIES AS TO WHERE THEY WOULD FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY BETTER AND HAVE LESS IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT SPECIFIC USE PROCESS. AND THEN YOU CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IT IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. THERE ARE SOME KEY QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL COVER TODAY. AS I STATED, LOCATION IS VERY IMPORTANT. PROXIMITY FROM RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE DEMAND ON THE UTILITIES, AS YOU SEE HERE. NOISE CONCERNS, WATER CONSUMPTION. AND ALSO THERE MAY BE SOME ECONOMIC BENEFITS THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IN TERMS OF JOBS. AS WE KNOW, IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF JOBS BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY CLOUD BASED. SO THE ULTIMATE OR THE IMMEDIATE EFFECT ON THE CITY, IT WOULD PROVIDE JOBS FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, WHICH IS A TEMPORARY DEAL. BUT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THESE MAJOR FACILITIES, THEY MAY IT MIGHT BE A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR FACILITY BEING RUN BY ONLY [00:15:05] 150 PEOPLE. SO SOMETIMES YOU DON'T SEE THE JOB BENEFITS AS YOU WOULD HOPE. NEXT SLIDE. SO CRITERIA FOR SPECIFIC USES. I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THESE. BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE NEW THINGS THAT SOME OF THE CITIES ARE DOING. BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT EMERGENCY RESPONSE. ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU SEE TRAFFIC NOISE. AND ALSO, AS I STATED, EMPLOYMENT GENERATION RECOMMENDED LOCATION CRITERIA. WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD OUR EXPERIENCE WITH NOISE AS IT RELATES TO POWER OR POWER STORAGE AND GENERATED TYPE FACILITIES. SO WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE THINGS AS WELL. KEEP GOING. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT ARE CONVENTIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY FROM RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS. YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT PARKS, HOSPITALS, AND THEN THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO THOSE CONDITIONS IN TERMS OF SEPARATION, SUCH AS LIGHTING. JUST THINGS TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT SOUND WALLS IN WHICH WE'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH. SOME OF THEM MAY OR MAY NOT WORK DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. NEXT SLIDE. NOISE IS GENERATED AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. IF YOU DO A LITTLE RESEARCH, YOU'LL FIND THAT MOST OF THEM USE A LOT OF WATER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH TECHNOLOGIES TO COOL THE EQUIPMENT TO PROVIDE FOR THE HVAC BATTERY COOLING, WHICH WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN GENERATORS THAT ARE USED WITH THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. SO THEY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF MAXIMUM DECIBELS DURING THE NIGHT AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY HERE. AND THEN WE COULD REQUIRE ACOUSTICAL ENGINEERING STUDIES TO BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SPECIFIC USE PROCESS. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE IMPACTS THAT COME INTO PLAY IN TERMS OF THE FACILITIES. AND THEN THE LOAD ON ERCOT IN TERMS OF UTILITY PROVIDERS, WHICH SOMETIMES CAN BE AN ISSUE THERE. AND THEN WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT THE COOLING TECHNOLOGY FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, AND THEY USE A LOT OF WATER AND A LOT OF ELECTRICITY. TRAFFIC, DEFINITELY HEAVY TRAFFIC DURING CONSTRUCTION. AND THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER AS WELL. AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT OF THE PROJECTS MOVING. THEN THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DATA CENTERS. WE'VE HEARD RUMORS OF THEM COMING TO THE CITY. THERE ARE NO APPLICATIONS CURRENTLY THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR BY THE CITY AS OF YET, BUT WE'VE HEARD RUMORS OF TWO. BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN CONFIRMED IN TERMS OF DEFINITE INFORMATION. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE THE MULTI ENTERPRISE TYPE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE A CERTAIN SIZE. MOST OF THEM ARE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF WHAT'S THAT THAT FACILITY MIGHT REQUIRE IN TERMS OF BE ELECTRICAL. THEN YOU HAVE CERTAIN DATA CENTERS THAT ARE CO-LOCATED. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OF YOUR CLOUD BASED USERS THAT MIGHT RENT A SPACE. AND THEN YOU HAVE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE STRICTLY CLOUD. SO MICROSOFT, GOOGLE AND AMAZON BASICALLY ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE COMPETING ON THAT LEVEL. AND I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MORE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS. IF THERE ARE OVER 100MW, THEN THAT'S HOW THEY'RE CLASSIFIED. AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST THE EDGE DATA CENTERS, WHICH MIGHT BE A LITTLE SMALLER IN TERMS OF VISUAL AND DESIGN STANDARDS, COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE THESE TYPES OF DESIGN STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF THINGS. TO THINK ABOUT THAT I JUST MENTIONED, ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT SCREENING IS A MAJOR ONE IN TERMS OF PARAPET WALLS AND ALSO SOUND ATTENUATION TYPE OF SCREENING ON, ON THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS VERY I THINK IT'S A REPEATING THEME ON SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE LOOKED AT. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I JUST MENTIONED IN WHICH SOME OF THESE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF THE NOISE, THE HUMMING NOISE IN WHICH THE PUBLIC IS FAMILIAR WITH. AND IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF ACRES, THEY CAN RANGE, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM 50 ACRES TO OVER 500 ACRES, WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES THAT WERE UP TO 900 ACRES. [00:20:02] KEEP GOING. THERE ARE SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS IN TERMS OF PROPERTY AND INCREASE IN TERMS OF THE TAX BASE. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THE TECHNOLOGY. OF COURSE, EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES PEOPLE ARE USING AI AND CHATGPT AND THEN UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WE MENTIONED, IS A MAJOR THING TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF THE HIGH DEMAND AND CONSIDERATIONS. EMERGENCY SERVICES IS ALWAYS A CONCERN. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN BUILD INTO THE REQUIREMENTS OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR A PLANNED DISTRICT. AND ALSO YOU CAN DETERMINE WHAT DISTRICTS SUCH AS INDUSTRIAL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE IN TERMS OF WHAT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY BE PLACED. BUT PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, I THINK, IS THE MAJOR DEAL. AND THEN THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT I TALKED ABOUT, SOME OF THESE CAN BE REAL MASSIVE IN TERMS OF BUILDING SIZE AND THEN THE MAXIMUM ELECTRICAL LOAD IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF FACILITY DEPENDING ON THE DEFINED TYPE NOISE. AND ALSO THERE ARE ANNUAL COMPLIANCE VERIFICATIONS IN WHICH WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IN AS A CONDITION. KEEP GOING. IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, IT WOULD GO THROUGH YOUR TYPICAL FLOW IN TERMS OF APPLICATION REVIEW AND SUBMITTAL, UTILITY REVIEW AGENCY REVIEWS. SOME THINGS MIGHT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FEDERAL LEVEL, AND THEN YOUR TECHNICAL REVIEWS AND NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATIONS, AND THEN WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHO WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION. KEEP GOING. AND THEN DISCUSSION AND POLICY DIRECTION. AS I STATED, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY REQUIREMENTS, BUFFER DISTANCES AND ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE IMPACT LIST THAT WE HAVE. KEEP GOING. AND THAT'S IT. IN TERMS OF THE SLIDES, IN TERMS OF THE CITIES WE LOOKED AT LOCALLY, I THINK THERE WERE ONLY TWO MISSOURI CITY AND RICHMOND, IN WHICH YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEETS AND SEE THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE PUT PROCESSES IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODES OR THE SPECIFIC USE PROCESS. AND THEN MOST OF THE CITIES THAT YOU SEE IN THE SECOND CHART UTILIZE THE PLAN DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT AS THEY WROTE THEIR REGULATIONS. ALSO, AS PART OF THE PACKAGE, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH A SAMPLE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD COVER SOME OF THE SECTIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT. IF YOU COULD FLIP TO PAGE 56 OF THE PACKET. THERE'S A SPECIFIC SECTION THAT WE WILL CREATE. IF COUNCIL AGREES THAT WOULD HAVE AN OUTLINE. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST MENTIONED IN TERMS OF CONDITIONS THAT CAN BE PLACED ON DATA CENTERS, AND THEN OUR EXPECTATIONS OF THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE EXPECT IN TERMS OF THE THE DATA AND ALSO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF ANY TYPE OF HAZARDOUS THINGS, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THEIR IMPACT ON THE GRID, WATER AND ALL OF THESE THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO WHAT IS YOUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN IN TERMS OF PUBLIC THAT WOULD BE ALSO WRITTEN INTO THIS THIS PROCESS? AND THEN WE HAVE LISTED THE SETBACKS. AND IF YOU KEEP TURNING THERE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IT. OTHER THAN THAT, IT WOULD COVER ALSO THE SCREENING MECHANISM IN TERMS OF GROUND MOUNTED OR ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT. AND ALSO, AS I STATED EARLIER, THE HVAC EQUIPMENT SCREENING AND THINGS FOLLOW THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. WE WOULD LIST CONDITIONS FOR NOISE LIGHTING AS YOU SEE THERE. AND I THINK WE END ON PAGE 60 ALSO MENTIONED THERE AS YOU SEE DECOMMISSIONING OF THE SITE, JUST IN CASE THEY DECIDED TO LEAVE. HOW DO YOU LEAVE THIS SITE? IN TERMS OF RECLAMATION. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT SOME OF THE CITIES ARE DOING. ALSO FEES. SOME CITIES ARE IMPOSING ADDITIONAL FEES ON THESE TYPES OF USES IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WELL. I'VE RUN THROUGH A LOT. I'VE GIVEN YOU THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME, SO I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS. WE HOPE TO BRING THIS SAME PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON FIRST THURSDAY. JUST TO GET A LITTLE INPUT, I PUT TOGETHER A TIMELINE IN TERMS OF HOW WE'LL PROCEED. JUNE WOULD BE JUNE 4TH WOULD BE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE'LL BRING A WRITTEN UPDATE BACK TO YOU JUNE 9TH. [00:25:01] AND HOPEFULLY SOMETIME IN JULY AS YOU SEE THAT WE CAN START HEARINGS. AND THEN THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AT ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS TO GIVE INPUT. AND FEEDBACK. SO I WILL YIELD THERE. I'VE SAID A LOT QUICKLY. IF THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS. I AM NOT A TECHNICAL EXPERT, BUT I'VE BEGUN TO DO THE RESEARCH. AND THE MORE YOUR RESEARCH IS A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE. HOPEFULLY I HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU TOO MUCH TO ASK A LOT. THAT IS A LOT. BUT YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, I GAVE IT TO YOU EARLY SO YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT. YEAH, I LIKE I LIKE TO LET'S PAUSE IN THE FUTURE ON EACH SLIDE. LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON EACH SLIDE. OH WE CAN GO BACK. OH YEAH. WE'RE GOING BACK. SO YOU SAID IN YOUR OPENING THAT WE THERE'S TWO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IN THE, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA WOULD BE RICHMOND AND MISSOURI CITY. NO, IN THE ANGLETON AREA, YOU SAID THERE'S RUMORS OF TWO FACILITIES, JUST AS RUMOR AS OF YESTERDAY. I ONLY KNOW ABOUT ONE ONE TO THE EAST. AND THEN THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A RUMOR TO THE ONE ON THE WEST, NEAR THE SOCCER FIELDS. THAT'S NO DEFINITE APPLICATION. I DID NOTIFY THE COUNTY JUST TO GET INFORMATION ON THAT. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY FORMAL APPLICATION YET. BUT THERE IS A MAP THAT THE PUBLIC IS PROBABLY SEEING ON A WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN CLICK THAT PUTS A LITTLE DOT ON THE MAP WEST OF ANGLETON. AND IT SAYS THAT FACILITY AT 300MW, THAT'S ALL THAT I CAN PROVIDE YOU TODAY. BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A DEFINITE APPLICATION. IT WOULD BE OUT IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, POSSIBLY IN OUR ETJ, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION AND PAD SITING. THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD ENTERTAIN THE SUBDIVISION PLANNING PROCESS. BUT NOTHING IN INNER CITY WE'RE AWARE OF IS COMING INSIDE OUR CITY. YOU TOLD ME A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THE ONLY PLACES THAT THEY COULD GO IS IN OUR INDUSTRIAL ZONE. THERE IS CURRENTLY IN MY OPINION, THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY WOULD GO TO PUT THEM IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD NOT BENEFIT RIGHT NOW. THEY COULD GO IN A COMMERCIAL WITH AN SUP IS THAT CORRECT? DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DEFINE IT, I CONSIDER THIS TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL USE. BUT RIGHT NOW, LET'S SAY THIS COUNCIL COMPLETELY CHANGED AND WE WERE ALL PRO DATA CENTERS AND THEY APPROACHED US AND SAID, WE WANT A DATA CENTER IN A COMMERCIAL ZONED AREA. WHAT I WOULD DO, YEAH, I WOULD WEIGH THE APPLICATION ON THE BASIS BECAUSE SOME DATA CENTERS MIGHT BE QUIET, MIGHT BE ALL INTERIOR CABINETS OF COMPUTER TYPE EQUIPMENT, AND IT MAY NOT HAVE ANY EXTERIOR NOISE GENERATING DEVICES THAT WOULD CREATE NOISE. SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TYPE OF CLOUD DATA CENTER, IF IT WAS FULLY CONTAINED WITH NO EXTERIOR INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT OR NO, AS SOME OF THE IMPACTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT, THEN WE WOULD POSSIBLY ENTERTAIN THOSE IN YOUR CG COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. BUT THE THINGS THAT WOULD RULE THAT OUT WOULD BE YOUR EXTERIOR IMPACTS. I THINK IT'S CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE KEY LEGISLATIVE LIMITATIONS SLIDE? THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST 1 OR 2. SLIDE 30 ON PAGE 30. I WILL SAY THAT TML HAS BEEN INVOLVED. THERE'S A LETTER I COPIED YOU ON, AND THEY'RE AHEAD OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF ANYBODY'S LISTENING OR GOES BACK AND PLAYS THIS BACK, THAT SECOND PART ABOUT THE ETJ OPT OUT, THAT IS THE BIGGEST RISK TO THIS CITY RIGHT NOW IS IF A IF A DATA CENTER WANTS TO GO IN OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS, BUT IT'S IN OUR ETJ AND WE DON'T WANT IT. THEY CAN TEACH AND BUILD IT AND COMMISSIONER UNDER YOU HERE TONIGHT. I MEAN, I'D HATE TO WASTE YOUR TIME, BUT YOU'RE HERE. WHAT OPTIONS DOES THE COUNTY HAVE IN THOSE CASES? DO YOU KNOW? SO WE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. YES. I'M PROUD TO BE HERE. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH ANGLETON. I'M DAVID LINDER, PRECINCT FOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T THE LEGISLATURE IS PRETTY MUCH STRIPPED OF, YOU KNOW, STRIPPED US OF OUR AUTHORITY TO REGULATE DATA CENTERS. YOU KNOW, AS, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE OPERATING CURRENTLY RIGHT OUTSIDE OF MISSOURI IN OUR ETJ. AND THERE WAS NOTHING THAT THAT WE COULD DO ABOUT THAT. SO IT'S UP AND RUNNING TODAY, AND IT'S UPENDED NUMEROUS LIVES IN THAT SUBDIVISION, SLOPING ACRES. [00:30:03] SO YES. THE LEGISLATURE'S GOT TO DO SOMETHING. THEY GOTTA GIVE US AUTHORITY SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN YOU KNOW, DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CONSTITUENTS. SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS 2019, 2020 ALL OVER AGAIN WITH SOLAR PANEL FARMS. HOW'S THE DATA CENTER FARMS THAT'S GOING TO WIPE OUT OUR FARMLANDS AND OUR AGRICULTURAL AREAS? A BUNCH OF DATA CENTERS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE A LOT OF RESOURCES IN OUR CITIES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M ABOUT THE LEAST PERSON TECHNOLOGY WISE THAT YOU CAN EVER FIND. BUT I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS COME A LONG WAYS AND APPARENTLY IT'S GOING TO CHANGE A LOT MORE CHANGES BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT EVERYONE'S DOING THE, THE CHAT STUFF AND THE GOOGLE STUFF AND THE MAP STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE. AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL THESE DATA CENTERS. AND NOW WITH ALL THESE DATA CENTERS, I JUST I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE. IT'S JUST. I MEAN, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE WORKING. OKAY NOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. I WISH WE HAD SOME AN OPPORTUNITY TO YOU KNOW, TO, TO REGULATE IT OR CORRECT SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, REGULATE IT. I ALWAYS THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG PROPERTY RIGHTS PERSON, BUT I THINK ONCE YOUR RIGHTS START VIOLATING SOMEBODY ELSE'S RIGHTS, THAT'S A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM. SO THAT'S, I AGREE WITH MY THOUGHTS. I'M NOT AGAINST A DATA CENTER PER SE, BECAUSE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, ALL OF US ARE USING DATA RESOURCES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. BUT LOOKING AT PROPERLY, PUTTING ONE IN IN THE RIGHT AREAS IS CRITICAL. AND WHEN WE'RE ON THE GULF COAST, WE ALREADY HAVE A WATER SHORTAGE TO SOME EXTENT. WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED IN CORPUS CHRISTI. THE NOISE EFFECTS TO THIS. SHOULD BE VERY WATCHFUL OF HOW THESE GO IN AND WHERE THEY GO IN. EXACTLY. I KNOW THEY'RE GOING IN A LOT OF PLACES IN THE WEST, YOU KNOW, UTAH, IDAHO, SOME OF THE BIGGEST CAMPUSES YOU'VE EVER SEEN ARE BEING BUILT FOR THESE. AND I'M NOT AGAINST THOSE IN THE CASES WHERE IT'S NOT IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WHERE NO ONE'S GOING TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO INFRINGE UPON THE RIGHTS OF THE NEIGHBOR NEXT TO THEM. AND THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE. I AGREE 100%. WE JUST WE JUST NEED SOME AUTHORITY OR JURISDICTION OVER THEM. THAT'S THAT'S ALL. WELL, AND YOU'LL SAY THAT THE YOU'LL SAY THAT THE LEGISLATURE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THE LEGISLATURE DID DO SOMETHING. SO I MEAN, THEY YEAH, THEY CASTRATED US AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I MEAN, I'LL CALL I'LL CALL IT LIKE IT IS. I THINK THEY DID DO SOMETHING EXEMPTION FOR SALES TAX AND ALL OTHER KIND OF ITEMS. SO THE COUNTY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, I CAN TELL YOU. BUT THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. I THINK AGAIN, THE LEGISLATURE, I THINK I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO REACH OUT TO THEIR LEGISLATORS AND, AND SHARE CONCERNS. AND AGAIN, THE ETJ ISSUE WITH THE CITIES, THAT'S, THAT'S A MULTIPLE LEVELS THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE REVERSED. I, I, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE THAT THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. SO ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHERE THEY COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THEY DIDN'T. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHO PISSED OFF THE LEGISLATURE, BUT THEY'RE SURE COMING AFTER CITIES AND COUNTIES, I CAN TELL YOU THAT. AND THEY'VE DONE IT SESSION AFTER SESSION AFTER SESSION. WELL, SOMEHOW SOMETIMES IT'S NOT. WHO, WHO, WHO PISSED YOU OFF? IT'S WHO MADE YOU FEEL WARM. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD BE BIG I IN C. BIG BIG TECH. DON'T DISAGREE. AND YOU KNOW THIS ISN'T FOR YOU. COMMISSIONER. BUT IN CASE ANYBODY'S WONDERING. A 300 MEGAWATT DATA CENTER. SO WE'VE GOT THE LARGEST COAL FIRED PLANT IN THE NATION. OR ONE OF THEM RIGHT UP THE ROAD IN THOMPSONS, TEXAS. AND A DATA CENTER OF 300MW WOULD USE 10% OF THE OUTPUT OF THAT FACILITY. THAT PUTS OUT, I THINK, IT'S 3800MW, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 10%. BUT THAT'S THE LARGEST COAL FIRED PLANT, ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE NATION, IF NOT THE LARGEST. ALMOST 10% OF ITS CAPACITY. AND IT COULD POWER THEY SEND 100,000 HOMES. THAT'S A LOT OF HOMES. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SAYS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS BEING USED FOR. BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR. AND I'LL TAKE A STAB AT THAT. THIS IS NOT LIKE, HEY, GROK ANSWER THIS QUESTION. OR HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD I LOOK LIKE WITH BLOND HAIR? [00:35:01] THIS IS FOR USING AI TO SIFT THROUGH MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF HOURS OF DATA WITH FACIAL RECOGNITION AND ALL OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. YOU CAN SPECULATE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT REQUIRES THAT KIND OF PROCESSING POWER AND, AND ELECTRICITY. AND THIS COMMENT I MADE IS GOING TO AGE WELL, I PROMISE. AND ONE LAST ITEM THAT I DID MENTION, SOME OF YOUR OUTLYING COUNTIES ARE CONSIDERING MORATORIUMS, AS YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE HILL COUNTRY. THEY DID CONSIDER THAT. I WILL SAY THAT RANDALL LAW OFFICE DID DO A WHITE PAPER IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE LEGAL ASPECTS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'LL KIND OF LOOK AT WHEN WE DO THE LEGAL REVIEW AS COUNCIL COMES UP WITH DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND APPROACHES TO THIS ISSUE. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NOTHING ON OUR BOOKS. WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OR ANYTHING ON DATA CENTERS. SO I COMMEND COUNCIL FOR FORWARD THINKING. NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO SHAPE IT, TO DEAL WITH THE CITY LIMITS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING FOR DUE PROCESS, AS YOU SAY. SEE, PEOPLE HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS, WHATEVER. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME MAJOR ISSUES. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES GETTING TOGETHER AND FAST TRACKING SOMETHING FOR US. YOU KNOW, I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING GET ON, GET PUT INTO THE BOOKS SOONER THAN LATER, EVEN IF IT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND AMEND OR, OR EDIT THAT ORDINANCE FOR MISSOURI CITY AND RICHMOND. IS THERE JUST A PROACTIVE OR HAVE THEY HAD INQUIRIES ABOUT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS DATA CENTERS? I THINK THEY'RE JUST BEING FORWARD THINKING ALSO. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN PRE-WARNED, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE THINGS ARE COMING AND THEY HAVE AREAS THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. SOME OF THEM HAVE BUSINESS PARKS. THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE CONTINUITY OF THOSE AREAS. WE MIGHT HAVE AREAS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER FOR AN INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, CAN PRODUCE THESE TYPES OF USES AWAY FROM OUR RESIDENTIAL. BUT NOW IS THE TIME TO KIND OF SHAPE IT. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE IN A JOKE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S REALLY NOT A JOKE. IT'S JUST FUNNY HOW QUICKLY IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN ARE THE NARRATIVE CHANGES. I MEAN, WE SINGLE HANDEDLY SOLVED CLIMATE CHANGE OVERNIGHT. CAN YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT? I MEAN, NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT ANY OF IT WILL BUILD THE COMBINED CYCLE GAS PLANTS AS FAST AS YOU CAN TO POWER THESE THINGS AND SUCK UP AS MUCH WATER AS YOU NEED TO WITHOUT ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CARE IN THE WORLD. BUT IT WAS LAST YEAR WHERE EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT, OH MY GOSH, COW FARTS AND CLIMATE CHANGE. IT'S RIDICULOUS. WHERE DID YOUR SAMPLE COME FROM? THE ONE THAT I'VE COPIED AND SORT OF MADE IT MORE ANGLETON WOULD BE MISSOURI CITY, MISSOURI. YES. BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY IN PLACE. YES, IT WAS ACTUALLY A MONTH AGO. THEY ADOPTED IT FULLY LAST MONTH. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE ENERGY BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE DATA CENTERS GO IN, BUT THEY PUT IN THEIR OWN ENERGY PLANT NEXT TO IT. YES. THAT'S BEING THAT'S A COMMON THREAD. IS THERE ANYTHING TO LIMIT THEM ON THE TYPE OF POWER PLANT THEY PUT IN? ANOTHER SMALL SMALL NUKE IS STARTING TO COME ALONG. I THINK WHEN THEY USE TURBINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT'S A FEDERAL, I THINK REVIEW. IS IT FEDERAL? YES, I THINK IT PROMOTES IT TO THAT LEVEL. FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN READING. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'LL TRY TO LOCATE NEXT TO A POWER FACILITY, ENERGY PRODUCING FACILITY, OR LIKE YOU SAID, CREATE THEIR OWN GAS OR ELECTRICAL. AND THEN THERE'S A WATER APPROACH TO YOU KNOW, LOOPING THE SYSTEM TO KEEP THINGS COOL. HOWEVER, THERE'S THE GENERATOR APPROACH, WHICH IS ALLOWED TO SOME EXTENT. AND THEN THERE'S THE FAN APPROACH THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH. I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THERE'S A THIRD COOLING OPTION. THE IMMERSION COOLING TO WHERE LIKE EACH TANK WILL BE. IT COULD BE UP TO 300 GALLONS IF IT'S A LARGE TANK. THERE'S A FACILITY OUTSIDE OF LAMARQUE, AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 200,000 GALLONS OF THIS FLUID ON SITE. [00:40:06] AND IT IS CLEAR. SO IF IT LEAKS, YOU CAN'T SEE IT AND CLEAN IT EASILY AND IT WILL SUFFOCATE EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH IT. SO THAT MAKES ME WORRIED ABOUT IF IT GETS INTO OUR SYSTEM AND KILLS ALL OF OUR GOOD BUGS IN OUR TREATMENT PLANT. SO I WORRY ABOUT THESE IMMERSION TANKS BEING PUT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, YET THEY'RE NEAR OUR DITCHES THAT COME INTO THE CITY. SO HURRICANE LEAK OR WHENEVER THEY'RE CHANGING EQUIPMENT, THERE'S LEAKAGE. LIKE IT'S A WHOLE MESS. YEAH, WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND. ALSO. I LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE IN HERE. I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE. THESE. JUST IN CASE. WE DO KNOW ABOUT THE RUMORS OF THE TWO. I ONLY KNOW OF ONE, BUT THE OTHER ONE IS. I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IN HERE. YEAH. LEGAL HAS NOT DONE THE REVIEW, BUT THEY'LL ASSIST WITH THE WRITING OF THE TEXT. THERE ARE A LOT OF SECTION NUMBERS THAT WILL STRUCTURE MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE DEFINITIONS SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO WE'LL, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT DETAIL AS SOMEBODY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PODIUM, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY. MY NAME IS DON KING. I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT SAY IN THIS REALM RIGHT HERE, BUT I DO KNOW I LIVE BEHIND THE LOVES ON 523 AND DOUG MEADOWS RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE SOCCER FIELD IS. THERE'S A NEW SUBDIVISION GOING IN THERE BEHIND THE BUCKY'S. AND I DO KNOW THAT A COMPANY HAS PURCHASED 447 ACRES FOR 660 MEGAWATT HOURS OF DATA CENTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE ETJ AT ANGLETON OR NOT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS BEHIND. YES. GOT IT INSIDE OF THERE. NO, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THERE. I HAVE I HAVE A LOT NUMBER AND EVERYTHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO THE WEST OF. YEAH, IT'S TO THE WEST. IT IS ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR ETJ. IS IT THE SIGHT OF BLOOD SURFACED IN OUR TJ, BUT ONLY A PORTION OF IT. WE DON'T KNOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ONE BECAUSE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE RANCH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR. THEY. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PETITIONED TO BE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE NO. YEAH. THAT'S FINE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS THERE OR NOT OR WHATEVER, BUT THIS DATA CENTER, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE PROGRESS. THIS IS GOING TO BE REGRET FOR THE CITY, FOR EVERYBODY AROUND IT. THAT'S A LOW LYING AREA. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD UP PROBABLY 4 OR 5FT, WHICH IS GOING TO CAUSE FLOODING ALL AROUND. WE TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE. YOU CAN HEAR THE NOISE FROM, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN READING FOR APPROXIMATELY 2 TO 2 AND A HALF TO THREE MILES. AND IT'S A I MEAN, IT DOESN'T STOP. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT WAY FOREVER. THE WATER CONSUMPTION, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. BALLPARK WHAT? THE CITY OF ANGLETON USES A DAY IN WATER, BUT SOME OF THESE SITES, ESPECIALLY THIS SIZE, WOULD PROBABLY USE 3 TO 4 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY. THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WATER. THE LOW LYING AREAS. I DID TALK LAST WEEK, I TALKED TO I CALLED SID MILLER, TEXAS AGRICULTURAL COMMISSION OFFICE. I SPOKE TO AN INDIVIDUAL THERE, SAID THEY'VE GOTTEN THOUSANDS OF CALLS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ON THIS, AND THAT MR. MILLER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DRAWING UP SOME TYPE OF CYST AND DESIST LETTER TYPE THING TO THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN, JUST TO SEE TO HOLD OFF ON A LOT OF THESE, TO SEE WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON THE STATE OF TEXAS WITH THESE ITEMS. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR PROPERTY VALUES. I KNOW HERITAGE OAKS IS LESS THAN A MILE FROM THAT AREA, AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE WANTING TO HEAR NOISE LIKE THAT. TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE AND THE FIRE. IF ONE OF THESE THINGS CATCHES ON FIRE, YOU'RE NOT STOPPING IT. IT'S GOING TO GO. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME FIRE DEPARTMENTS MIGHT KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF WHATEVER IT'D BE A LONG, DRAWN OUT PROCESS WITH A LOT OF CARS AND STUFF HITTING THE THE AIR AND POLLUTING THE AREA. [00:45:01] SO I JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT TEXAS GOVERNMENT REALLY ISN'T DOING ANYTHING YET, WHICH WE DO NEED TO STAND UP. SUPPOSEDLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TRUE THIS IS, BUT I'VE HEARD THEY'RE GOING TO PUT 17 OF THOSE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, OR THAT IS THE PLAN TO PUT 17 OF THESE DATA CENTERS IN MISSOURI COUNTY. THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THIS COUNTY AT ALL. AND ESPECIALLY THEY'RE NOT PUTTING ANY ECONOMICAL MONEY BACK INTO THE CITIES, THE COUNTIES OTHER THAN SOME TAXES, BUT THEY'RE NOT HIRING THEM. THEY'RE NOT EMPLOYING ANYBODY. THESE THINGS ARE PRETTY MUCH SELF SUFFICIENT OR WHATEVER, BUT 600, 660MW, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE ONE. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUY THAT KIND OF PROPERTY IF YOU'RE JUST PUTTING IN A LITTLE BITTY ONE. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY, BUT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THE LAST THING WE'LL ADD WOULD BE HEIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT. BECAUSE THE HIGHER YOU GO, THE HARDER IT IS TO COMBAT THE NOISE GENERATED FROM THAT HEIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE'LL ADD IN. AND OF COURSE, THE FLIGHT PATH FOR THE AIRPORT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT. NO ACTION IS BEING ASKED. IT'S JUST IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, YOU WANT TO GIVE US A CHANCE. CAN WE. IF THEY COME TO US AND LET'S SAY WE DO 1000 FOOT RADIUS AND THEY HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING, CAN WE HAVE THEM PAY FOR THE MAILINGS AND THE STAFF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO MAIL OUT EVERYTHING? WE CAN IMPOSE THE REQUIREMENT. I'M SORRY. THE INVOICING OF THE NOTICE NOTICES AND LEGAL ACTS. THE PORTION ABOUT STAFF REVIEW AND ALL OF THAT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE ENGINEERING REVIEW ALREADY WRITTEN INTO THAT. LEGAL REVIEW IS ALREADY WRITTEN INTO THAT. THEY'LL DO A DEPOSIT IN LIEU OF CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THAT. SO THAT'S HOW WE'LL HANDLE THE REVIEW PROCESS. THANK YOU. AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL FEES YOU WANT TO PUT ON THIS WILL GO BACK TO OUR FEE SCHEDULE. BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. WELL, THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK. IT'S HELPFUL. WE'LL KEEP IT MOVING. YEAH, LET'S KEEP IT MOVING. THERE'LL BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. I'M GOING TO JUMP TO ITEM TEN. [10. Discussion and possible action to support a roundabout at Farm to Market Road 523 and County Road 44.] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO SUPPORT A ROUNDABOUT AT FARM TO MARKET ROAD. FM 523 AND COUNTY ROAD 44. WE'RE JUST HITTING ALL THE FAVORITE TOPICS TONIGHT. WE WERE ASKED BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER IF WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DID SPEAK WITH HIM TODAY, AND WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR IS THE COUNTY HAS BEEN APPROACHED BY TXDOT TO WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE ROUNDABOUTS AT 523 AND 44. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE PREFER A LIGHT CONTROL THERE. HOWEVER, THIS IS THE FASTEST WAY TO GET SOMETHING DONE AT THAT INTERSECTION. IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS, AND IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WRITE THE LETTER OF SUPPORT INSIDE THE COUNTY, NOT THE CITY, THEN WE ARE LIKELY TO SEE MAYBE 20, 30, 20, 31, ACTUALLY SOME ACTION BEING TAKEN AT THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS PROBABLY WAY TOO LATE AND MORE LIVES WILL BE LOST. I AM NOT FOR A ROUNDABOUT, BUT I'M ALSO NOT FOR HAVING ANOTHER DEATH. IF WE CAN GET TEXT OFF TO DO SOMETHING NOW, THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE AND COMMISSIONER WILL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT HERE IN A SECOND. BUT I HAVE ASKED THE COUNTY ENGINEER TO TALK WITH ASHLAND DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR TIA THEY HAVE TO PUT A LIGHT CONTROL AT THAT INTERSECTION, BUT IT'S ONLY WHEN IT'S SO, SO MANY HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT OUT AND THEY'RE NOT THERE YET, AND THEY WON'T BE THERE FOREVER. SO WE'VE ASKED THAT THEY COULD SPEED IT UP. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE COUNTY, THE CITY CAN DO TO WORK WITH THEM TO PUSH THAT A LOT FASTER. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THIS WILL BE A TEMPORARY ROUNDABOUT, NOT A PERMANENT ROUNDABOUT. MR.. DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? A COUPLE TEMPORARY THANKS AGAIN. I'M DAVID LINDER, PRECINCT FOUR COUNTY COMMISSIONER. AND I DON'T THINK AND THIS IS NOT IN MY PRECINCT, [00:50:05] BUT I HAVE WHAT IS IT, COMMISSIONER? PRECINCT TWO. BUT I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND CONSTITUENTS THAT I LOOKED AT THIS. I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT USE THAT ROAD EVERY DAY. AND I KNOW IT'S, IT'S THERE'S BEEN SOME HORRENDOUS ACCIDENTS AT THAT LOCATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY GOOD SOLUTION. LIGHTS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK SOME ROUNDABOUTS. I DON'T KNOW, STOP SIGNS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS TEX-DOT IS WILLING TO DO THE ROUNDABOUT. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WILL BE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. IT'LL BE COMPLETED. NOW, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT, BUT I GUESS I'VE BEEN QUOTED, PROBABLY RECORDED, BUT BUT THAT'S, THAT'S FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE, THEY WILL HAVE THAT COMPLETED BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS, WHICH SOUNDS TO ME IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THAT. IT SOUNDS ABSURD. IT SOUNDS ABSURD THAT THEY CAN CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY TO IMPOSE A ROUNDABOUT ON THAT HIGHWAY QUICKER THAN THEY CAN DETERMINE, TO PUT IN LIGHTS ON IT WHEN THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. I MEAN THIS I FEEL STUPIDER HAVING HEARD THIS. I DON'T KNOW THOSE. I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST REPEATING WHAT THEY TOLD US AND TOLD ME. SO MY, MY, MY RESPONSE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THIS WILL PREVENT ONE LIFE FROM DYING. JUST JUST PROTECT ONE PERSON OR JUST JUST TRY TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE HORRENDOUS ACCIDENTS THERE. I'M I'M, I'M FOR IT. SO HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE, THE, YOU KNOW, 3031 WHATEVER THE DEVELOPER, IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THEN THAT AGREEMENT IS STILL IN PLACE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. AND SO AT THAT TIME, BUT I JUST HATE TO, I HATE TO SEE US GO THE NEXT FOUR YEARS WITHOUT ANYTHING. THAT'S THE PROBLEM, AS I SEE IT, THOUGH, IS THAT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A 55 MILE AN HOUR ZONE GOING INTO A DONUT. I HAVE A FEELING THEY WILL BE CHANGING, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOWER THE. I ACTUALLY, AND I'M NOT A PROPONENT. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING THAT NO, I ACTUALLY HAVE DRIVEN THEM AND IT'S WORKED. SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT I JUST WANT TO DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO SAVE LIVES. THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY, I I DRIVE THE ONE ON AROUND 60. I THINK IT'S A BUNCH OF NONSENSE TOO OUT THERE BY WADSWORTH. I RESPECT YOUR THOUGHTS, I DO. I JUST AND AGAIN, I'M NOT. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RATHER SEE THE LIGHT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO MISS THE SPEED LIMIT. IT'S GOING TO BE DARK, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PLOW OUT OVER THE THING AND INTO SOMEBODY ELSE THE SAME AS THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WITH THE LIGHT, WITH THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION, YOU HAVE ALL THE LIGHTS AND STUFF. I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE, I DON'T DISAGREE, I JUST, I JUST, I APPRECIATE, YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. AND AGAIN, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND DO, THEN THEN I, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, IF THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND DO THIS, WHY CAN'T THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE LIGHTED INTERSECTION? I MEAN, THAT'S TO, TO, TO EVEN SAY THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE THIS ACCOMMODATION FOR THE ROAD AND ALL THE WORK AND THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T HANG LIGHTS THERE. AND I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING. WE CAN DO ALL THIS ROAD WORK AND ALL THIS CONCRETE AND ALL THIS CIVIL WORK, BUT WE CAN'T HANG SOME LIGHTS. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M WITH YOU. I'M. I'M JUST. I AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE ROUNDABOUT THIS SUMMER, THEN. COUNCILMAN, IN OUR MEETING WITH THE TECH STOCK, THEY SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO THAT INTERSECTION OTHER THAN PUT IN A TEMPORARY. ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE TEMPORARY. SO IT'S ALL LAID OUT. SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN PUT THAT. AND THEN THEY ALSO SAID THAT THEIR, THEIR THEIR STUDIES HAVE SAID THAT ROUNDABOUT IS JUST AS EFFECTIVE AS TRAFFIC LIGHTS. THIS QUOTE. I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS THAT MY EYES ARE BLEEDING. I'VE READ SO MANY STUDIES NOW OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS THAT I AM. MY HAIR IS FALLING OUT. THE STUDIES. THE STUDIES THAT THEY QUOTE ARE BASED OFF OF PREVIOUS STUDIES, AND IT'S ALL BUT ONE OF THE MORE FAMOUS QUOTES THAT YOU'LL GET AROUND ABOUT WILL REDUCE ACCIDENTS OR FATAL ACCIDENTS BY UP TO 90%. WELL, THEY GOT THAT NUMBER FROM A STUDY DONE IN 2019. AND THEY'VE CONVOLUTED THE NUMBER. SO THEY GOT THAT NUMBER FROM THERE WERE HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS OF 38% FOR ALL CRASH SEVERITIES COMBINED, AND OF 76% FOR ALL INJURY CRASHES. [00:55:07] REDUCTION IN THE NUMBERS OF FATAL AND INCAPACITATING INJURY CRASHES WERE ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 90%. BUT THEY'VE CONVOLUTED THAT INTO. IT'S UP TO 90% IN FATALITY REDUCTION. AND THEY KEPT QUOTING OR STATING ANOTHER STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN NORTH CAROLINA. LET ME GET UP. SORRY, I HAVE A LOT OF NOTES. NORTH CAROLINA. THEY ONE OF THEIR EARLIER STUDIES DONE IN 2013, THEY WERE ALL FOUR ROUNDABOUTS AND WELL, THEY'VE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED THEIR MIND. AND THEIR NEW STUDY FROM LAST YEAR CONTRADICTS THEIR ROUNDABOUTS AND SAYS THAT ALL WAY STOP IS THE WAY TO GO. THEY DID RESULTS FROM 340 INTERSECTIONS, AND THERE WAS A TOTAL CRASH REDUCTION OF 55%, AND THE ROUNDABOUT TOTAL CRASH WAS ONLY REDUCED BY 41%. FOR THE ALWAYS STOP, THERE WAS A 92% REDUCTION IN FATAL AND INCAPACITATING INJURIES WITH THE. ALWAYS STOPS WITH LIGHTED FLASHING BEACONS. AND WHAT ELSE? A STUDY THAT THEY QUOTED THAT WAS DONE IN EUROPE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF ROUNDABOUTS SAYS THAT IT CREATES MORE CRASHES. AND THEY HAD THE SAME FATALITY THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. THEY HAD IN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ROUNDABOUTS. AND IT WAS MOSTLY PEOPLE COMING INTO ROUNDABOUTS TOO FAST AND HITTING THE MIDDLE PART. AND THERE'S A BIKE LANE ON 523. AND THIS SAME EUROPEAN STUDY SHOWS MASS BIKE CASUALTIES. WHENEVER THERE'S A BIKE LANE THAT SHARES A ROUNDABOUT. WHAT ELSE? WELL, THE OPTION IS EITHER SUPPORT IT OR WE SAY, NO, WE DON'T SUPPORT IT AND THEY DO NOTHING. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS. SO WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO WORK WITH TEX-DOT ON THIS OR NOT. AND LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID, THIS IS A LAY DOWN. THIS ISN'T PERMANENT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE WE KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE IN THE FUTURE. THAT ACTION WILL BE HELD TO THAT STANDARD. I, I AM GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU I DON'T LIKE ROUNDABOUTS AT ALL. I'VE USED THEM IN EUROPE. I'VE USED THEM HERE. I MEAN, I'VE ALMOST BEEN HIT WITH THE BUCKIES AND KATY WHERE THAT ROUNDABOUT IS TO THE LEFT. I ALMOST GOT SIDESWIPED RIGHT THERE. I'VE SEEN SO MANY CRASHES IN OUTSIDE LONDON AND IT SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN. IT IS A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT THERE. WELL, I THINK THEY WORK ALL RIGHT IN THE AREAS THAT WE WERE IN WHEN WE WERE IN EUROPE IRELAND, SPECIFICALLY IN SMALL, CRAMPED AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TO PROCESS A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC SOMETIMES WITH, WITH AN INTERSECTION OF, OF FOUR OR EVEN MORE ROADS. YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY KIND OF THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THAT, RIGHT? BUT IN, IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION, I MEAN, IT'S. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING JUST BEAT WITH NONSENSE. AND ANOTHER THING, SORRY, ALSO IN THIS CASE, THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY, IT'S A PLASTIC ROUNDABOUT. ACCORDING TO TEX DOT IT IS NOT A CONCRETE TECH ROUNDABOUT. I HAVE NO IDEA. I JUST I JUST KNOW THAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT AND ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. AND THIS IS WHAT THEY PROPOSE TO DO. AND IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT THIS IS ALL THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS TIME. AND I JUST AGAIN, MY MY PERSONAL OPINION IS JUST IF WE SAVE ONE PERSON, THAT'S, THAT'S IT'S GOOD FOR ME. BUT AGAIN, I, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION TOO. SO IT'S OKAY. I MEAN, YEAH, THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER THE STUDIES THAT WERE DONE. IT SHOWS THAT ROUNDABOUTS WORK BETTER WHEN THERE'S EQUAL TRAFFIC FLOW. COUNT FROM ALL ROADS INVOLVED. SO THE ONE THAT'S OUTSIDE BAY CITY, THAT MADE SENSE ACCORDING TO THEIR TRAFFIC STUDIES ON THEIR MAP, LIKE 3500 BOTH WAYS, WHATNOT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON OURS. IT'S LIKE 2000, 2500 DIFFERENCE WITH 523 AND COUNTY ROUTE 44. BUT THE. THE INCREASED CRASHES. SO A LOT OF THOSE [01:00:07] ARE THE INCAPACITATING KIND WHERE THEY DON'T WALK AWAY FROM IT. SO THEY DON'T DIE, BUT THEY'RE NOT WALKING AWAY FROM IT. IN THESE CRASHES FOR ROUNDABOUTS AND THE PERCENTAGE IS NOT LOW. SO INCREASED CRASHES IN AN AREA. INCREASES THE BASELINE FOR INSURANCE COVERAGE. SO IF AN AREA HAS AN INCREASE IN WRECKS THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE IN THE AREA. I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ANYWAY. I'LL AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER. AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT IN THE MEETINGS. SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. AND ONE LIFE IS SAVED THAN ONE LIFE. AND YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THAT. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FIRST ONE IN THE STATE. THE TEMPORARY ROUNDABOUT. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO THE INTERSECTION WHERE THEY PUT THIS STUFF IN. BUT IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. RED LIGHT STOP SIGN, ROUNDABOUT SPEED LIMIT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE MUNICIPAL COURT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO RUN THE RED LIGHT. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO GO TO THAT ROUNDABOUT AT 100. I MEAN, IT'S STILL GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT FROM THE COUNTY SIDE. BUT TO ME, SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. I DON'T KNOW. CAN I ADD ONE THING? YES SIR. I THINK I HONESTLY THINK AND AGAIN, I'M I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION. I'M I'M, I JUST WANT TO PROTECT PEOPLE. I THINK, AND I COULD BE OFF BASE, BUT I THINK TXDOT IS TRYING TO. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GET SOME FEDERAL FUNDS TO IMPLEMENT THESE THINGS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DRIVING IT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S OTHERS THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS OUTSIDE OF WEST COLUMBIA ON 35 TOWARDS THE PHILIPS PLANT, WHERE THE OLD BUSINESS 35 INTERSECTION. THERE'S BEEN SOME HORRIBLE FATALITIES THERE AND HORRIBLE ACCIDENTS THERE. BUT I KNOW THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT LOCATION AS WELL. SO I THINK THERE'S SEVERAL LOCATIONS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AND THE COUNTY, I THINK WE HAVE SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE SYSTEM. NOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THERE'S I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING DRIVING TECH STOCK TO PUSH THIS WAY. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT. I PERSONALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THEM THROUGHOUT THE STATE. YES. SO I THINK THIS IS JUST PROBABLY NEW TO US HERE. IT'S A MASSIVE COST SAVINGS FOR THEM. I THINK IT'S IT'S PROBABLY THAT TOO. I DON'T KNOW. BUT AGAIN, I JUST I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN DO NOTHING UNTIL 2030. I JUST, I JUST DON'T AND, AND I KNOW THE DEVELOPERS ON THIS FOR LIKE SELECT 28. I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO MEET THAT THRESHOLD. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE 3031. AND I KNOW THAT I JUST I WITH THE NEW SCHOOL OUT THERE AND THE SUBDIVISION OUT THERE, JUST, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE, I CAN'T. ANOTHER HOUSE SELLS AND THERE'S ANOTHER FAMILY OUT THERE COMING IN. YEAH. AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST I KNOW IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DO. IT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE GOING TO. YOU KNOW, RED LIGHTS, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO RUN THE RED LIGHT AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST I JUST KNOW WE CAN'T WAIT TILL 20, 30 OR 31. I JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE THAT BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY DOWN. YEAH. REMEMBER THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH ANGLETON? YOU AIN'T NEED IT, BUT THANK YOU. BUT I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I THINK CRASHES ARE GOING TO INCREASE ACCORDING TO THE STUDIES. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BECAUSE, I MEAN, I GO THERE THROUGH THERE TAKING MY KIDS TO SCHOOL. AND RIGHT NOW A PERSON GOING EAST ON 523, TURNING RIGHT ON THE 44 TO GO BACK TO 28 WILL NOW PUT THE LIGHT ON. AND YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON'S TURNING. SO THE PERSON JUMPS ACROSS THE ROAD. WELL, NOW WHAT IF THEY GO INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH IT. AND LET'S SAY THEY ACCIDENTALLY PUT THEIR BLINKER ON BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, I DON'T PUT IT PAST PEOPLE AND THE NEXT PERSON'S GOING TO COME OUT AND PEOPLE THINK YOU DON'T STOP AT A ROUNDABOUT. THEREIN LIES THE ISSUE. THEY THINK ROUNDABOUTS ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THINGS MOVE FASTER. IT DOES NOT. IT WILL SLOW YOU DOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO STOP TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET IN THERE AND ALL THE CARS THROUGH THERE. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST I ALWAYS QUOTE THAT PORN STARS MEME, [01:05:05] BUT IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CONTROL THE INTERSECTION HERE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, BEST WE CAN DO IS A TEMPORARY ROUNDABOUT. AND I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. WE'RE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE IN AN AREA AND WE'RE GIVEN AN IMPOTENT SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. SOMETHING'S BETTER THAN NOTHING CURRENTLY, BUT I'M NOT TOTALLY FOR ROUNDABOUT AND ESPECIALLY BEING THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THIS STATE, I DON'T AGREE WITH AN INTERSECTION THAT IS HIGHLY TRAFFICKED. FOR SCHOOLS TO BE AN EXPERIMENT, IT'S NOT SAFE. IT'S NOT FORWARD THINKING AT ALL. BUT SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. IF WE CAN SAVE ONE LIFE, PREVENT ONE TRAGEDY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PUT IN THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU YOU WILL SUPPORT IT WITH THE WITH THE CRITERIA THAT IT IS A THE SPEED LIMIT AROUND IT WILL GO DOWN. GOING INTO THAT INTERSECTION, THAT INTERSECTION IS A TEMPORARY FIX TO THE SOLUTION OF A LIGHT BEING PUT THERE STILL. I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THAT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME VERBIAGE IN THERE THAT SPELLS IT OUT CLEARLY WHAT WE ARE SUPPORTING. IT SOUNDS LIKE NONE OF US REALLY SUPPORT A ROUNDABOUT. WE ARE SUPPORTING TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. I MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY WITH THE ROUNDABOUT ON THE CONDITIONS THAT TEXDOT LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT, GOING ON 523 INTO THE INTERSECTION AND COUNTY ROAD 44 INTO THE INTERSECTION AND THAT THE CENTRAL ISLAND SHOULD BE WELL ILLUMINATED AND CLEARLY VISIBLE. THAT GROUND LEVEL LIGHTING ON THE CENTRAL ISLAND, AND REFLECTIVE PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND REFLECTIVE PAINT ON THE CURBS MAY INCREASE VISIBILITY TO HELP WITH MOTORISTS. LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE DONE ON THE CENTRAL ISLAND TO REDUCE THE SIGHT, DISTANCE AND MAKE THE INTERSECTION A FOCAL POINT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT LAST PART, CHRISTIE SAID. THAT IS FROM THE STUDIES THAT ALL OF THEM, AND THAT IT IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION THAT WE WILL HAVE ASHLAND SECURE THE LIGHT FOR US WHEN THE BUILD OUT IS DONE. I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN DANIEL SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SPECIFIC THAT WE WOULD LIKE IN THIS LETTER AND. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AYE. OPPOSE YOUR OWN MOTION? I DID. ALOUD. DID YOU SUPPORT. WHY DID YOU MAKE THAT MOTION PASSES. SO WOULD HAVE THAT SPECIFICS. AND THAT IS FROM THE STUDY FROM 2013. IDENTIFYING CRASH PATTERNS ON ROUNDABOUTS AND EXPLORATORY STUDY BY DANIELS. CASTERS. BRIDGE. OKEY DOKEY. COUNCILWOMAN. DANIEL. NOT FOR HIM, BUT. I ALSO KNOW IT CAN'T STAND THE CURRENT CONDITION. WHAT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW, CHIEF, BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA, YOU HAVE THE CRASH DATA OR THE ACCIDENT REPORTS FOR THAT INTERSECTION. DOES THAT. DO WE NOT KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THOSE? THAT WOULD BE THE STATE. BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU FROM RESPONDENTS. WE DON'T GET RESPONSES FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, EMS. GO OUT THERE IF THEY'RE REQUESTED. NOT A TOTAL PRICE TAG, BUT I CAN GET IT FOR YOU, SIR. I WANT TO MONITOR THIS. I WANT TO I WANT TO SEE ONCE THEY GET THIS IN, WHAT HAPPENS? YES. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUMPING ALL OVER THIS THING TONIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SELECTION OF POSSIBLE STREET REHABILITATIONS AND THE SOURCE OF FUNDING TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS. [7. Discussion and possible action on the selection of possible street rehabilitations and the source of funding to complete the projects. ] MR. RHODES. YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? I GOT YOU. SINCE WE'RE PLAYING MUSICAL AGENDA WITH ITEM, ARE WE ON? I GOT RESOURCES HERE THAT I WANT TO. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE BRING THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. I'VE ATTACHED A LIST OF STREET PROJECTS. EVERYTHING HIGHLIGHTED HAS BEEN COMPLETED. [01:10:02] EVERYTHING IN, IN GRAY IS PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO SOME EXTENT AND WE INCLUDED THEM ALL IN HERE. AND YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DISCUSS FUNDING OPTIONS FOR THIS AS WE WANT TO TRY TO MEET A DEADLINE IF THAT SPECIFIC FUNDING OPTION COMES TO BE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL KIND OF OPEN UP TO YOU ALL. I WANT JOHN, CAN YOU GO TO THE PODIUM TOO, PLEASE? OKAY. WE HAVE ROADS LISTED ON HERE AND FOR EXAMPLE, HENDERSON ROAD. WE KNOW THAT IS A $65 MILLION BUDGET. AND WE KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO EAT THAT ELEPHANT ALL AT ONE TIME. WE DO HAVE ROADS, AND I THINK I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT ARCOLA FIRST BECAUSE ARCOLA. CAN IT BE DONE WITHOUT THE DRAINAGE? THE THING ABOUT ARCOLA IS YOU CAN DO IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOWER IT AND CURB AND GUTTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOWHERE FOR THAT WATER TO GO TO. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS OVERLAY IT. YOU CAN OVERLAY IT. YOU CAN OVERLAY IT. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU KNOW AN OVERLAY ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S GOING TO LAST ABOUT 12 TO 15 YEARS. SO IF WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT FUNDING IN, THAT MAY BE A VIABLE OPTION TO, TO IMPROVE THE THE STREET RIGHT THERE AT THAT TIME ON ARCOLA, I'VE GOT $17.5 MILLION FOR THAT ESTIMATED COST. YES, SIR. AND WE CONTINUE TO TALK TO TXDOT. WE'VE ACTUALLY SENT MODELS OVER TO THEM. I NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM AT THE LAST MEETING. THEY SAID THEY'RE REVIEWING THE MODELS. THAT IS THE INTERSECTION THERE AT 35. THAT GOES UNDER WATER QUITE A BIT. TECH STOCKS DONE 3 OR 4 STUDIES SINCE THE 90S. THEY COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO DRAIN THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO OUTFALLS. BUT WE FOUND A WAY THAT WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY THAT WE DO HAVE A WAY TO GET AN OUTFALL AND A WAY TO GET A DETENTION TO, TO REMEDY THAT REMEDY, THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE DRAINAGE TO ALL THE COUNTY FACILITIES DOWNTOWN BY THE COURTHOUSE TO WHERE WE COULD GET THE WATER OFF OF THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE AND POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO HELP THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AS WELL ON THE, ON THAT DRAINAGE ON ARCOLA, IF WE PUT THAT IN. WHAT IS THE OUTFALL AREA THAT IMPACTS? WOULD THAT BE GOING FROM CENTRAL ELEMENTARY TO THE FRONT OF THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE TO. THE BRIDGE. WELL, IT WOULD WE WOULD ACTUALLY GO AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE AS WELL. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A NIGHTMARE TO DO IT. WE'LL BE USING INLINE DETENTION. WE'LL BE USING OUTFALL ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE WE IDENTIFIED SOME VACANT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY UTILIZE TO OFFSET THE IMPACT TO THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECT. WE'VE GOT A LAYOUT. I, I COULD BRING IT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL AND MADE THE STUDY AVAILABLE OF, OF THE AREA DOWN, DOWN AROUND. I MEAN, IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO CEDAR. THE CEDAR FROM CEDAR TO LIVE OAK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE ISN'T THERE. WE'RE STARTING AT THAT INTERSECTION GOING BACK TOWARDS 35 WITH THE ACTUAL DRAINAGE, EVERYTHING'S SLOPED TO THAT INTERSECTION. PROBABLY WHAT ALL WILL BE IF WE PUT THIS IN, WHAT AREA GETS HELPED? I REMEMBER WE DID A. WE LOOKED AT THAT. IT'S LIKE 240 ACRES. IT'S. IT'S A MASSIVE. IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CENTRAL ELEMENTARY, RIGHT? YES. IT DRAINS THAT AREA BACK INTO THIS. AND IT DRAINS ALL THE WAY FROM 28 B RIGHT. IT HELPS SOME OF. 288B288B THEY BACK IN THE LATE 90S. TEX-DOT WOULDN'T PUT A NEW SYSTEM IN BUT SHENANGO SHENANGO 100%. YEAH. ALL THAT AREA WHERE THE NEW COUNTY COURTHOUSE IS, IT'LL HAVE A WAY WHERE THE CHURCH IS ALL THE WAY DOWN. IT WOULD BE ABLE TO TO ALLOW YOU TO CAN MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS AND EXTEND OUT IF YOU WANTED TO EXTEND OUT OVER THE FUTURE TO HELP THAT AREA. WHAT IF. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. AND I KNOW COUNTY COMMISSIONER IS GOING TO GO. THE PARKING LOT, THAT BIG PARKING LOT SITTING THERE. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO PUT UNDERGROUND RETENTION UNDERNEATH THAT THING. WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS OF YET JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF IT AND THE MAINTENANCE. EASIER TO DO THAN RUNNING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN OVER THE RAILROAD TRACK. YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN OUTFALL. YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY SOMEWHERE TO RELEASE IT TO. SO YOU GOTTA, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DEPTH. YOU HAVE TO RUN IT THAT WAY ANYWAYS. [01:15:02] THE BOTTOM OF YOUR RETENTION WOULD BE LOWER THAN THE BOTTOM OF THE PIPE. YEAH. SO YOU'D HAVE YOU'D HAVE TO PUMP IT AT THAT POINT. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF COST. IF YOU CAN'T GET STATE FUNDING BECAUSE AT 17.5, MY KIDS WILL BE SITTING THERE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS ONE OUT. YES, SIR. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE BIG PRICE TAG OF HENDERSON SITTING THERE. OKAY. WE HAVE WE'VE GOT REBUILDS ON GUILFORD ROAD, GUILFORD LANE. THOSE ARE OVERLAYS, MOST LIKELY. CAN YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES. WE HAVE. OVERLAYS ON. LIPS. SO. YES. COUNCIL DO YOU WANT TO SEE? CEMETERY FINISHED OUT. CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER. THE WAY THE ONE SIDE IS ALL THE WAY DOWN. OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE THAT OVERLAID BACK? WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR TO STAFF WHAT WE'RE AFTER. FINISHED. DON'T WE HAVE A CEMETERY? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. $3.5 MILLION TO DO THAT. HOW DEEP IS THAT DITCH? ACTUALLY. YEAH, I THINK I THINK CEMETERY, THERE'S A THERE'S A TYPO ON THAT. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONCRETE. THAT'S THREE POINT SOMETHING MILLION. THAT'S CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER AND DRAINAGE. I CHANGED MY MIND. IS THAT JUST TO KEEP IT AT TULANE OR IS THAT TO EXPAND IT TO MATCH OR. THAT'S TO KEEP IT WHERE ROUGHLY WHERE IT IS. YES, MA'AM. DIFFERENT ROAD. DIFFERENT LANE. PRECINCT. ONE. PRECINCT. ONE. THANK YOU FOR THE WIRE. PRECINCT ONE. STREET. STREET. PRECINCT FOUR. YES, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS. NOW, DWYER IS GOING TO BE A COMPLETE REBUILD. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING MATERIAL. THE INCENTIVE MATERIAL YOU'LL HAVE TO PUT IN NEW BASE NEW SUBGRADE AND THEN OVERLAY IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO STRAIGHTEN THAT CURVE OUT. RAVEN RIDGE, RICHMOND CIRCLE, PRECINCT TWO. BY THE HOSPITAL. AND WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT? WOULD THAT BE A FULL REBUILD WITH A CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER, OR WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AND PROPOSE TO GO BACK WITH ASPHALT ON THAT ONE. I BELIEVE WE DID CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER WITH. WITH A DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THAT PROJECT. YES. EXCEPT FOR WHAT WAS IT? RAYBURN, NOT RAYBURN. IT'S THE LITTLE CUL DE SAC. IS RICHLAND CIRCLE. THAT ONE WOULD BE ASPHALT. WE KEPT THAT ONE AS ASPHALT. BUT THE ACTUAL MAIN. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT WAS DONE BACK WHEN THEY BUILT THAT IN THE EARLY 80S, LATE 70S. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO DRAINAGE OUT THERE. THERE'S NOT A PIPE. YOU JUST GOT GUTTER LINES JUST RUNNING DOWN THAT THAT SUBDIVISION. WHAT WILL THE DRAINAGE LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE ABLE TO REDO IT AND DO IT CORRECTLY? THE DRAINAGE ACTUALLY GOES OUT OF RICHLAND, TURNS ON HOSPITAL AND GOES TO THE OUTFALLS AT THE DITCH. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SOME SORT OF CONVEYANCE SYSTEM TO GET IT OUT. AND AGAIN, NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THIS IS ALL THEORETICAL, YOU KNOW, THOUSAND FEET UP IN THE AIR, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE DITCH ELEVATIONS ARE GOING TO CONTROL HOW DEEP I CAN SET DOWN THE DRAINAGE TO GET IT UNDERNEATH THE ROADS. I CAN'T PUT ANY LOWERED IN THAT DITCH. THAT'S A BIG DITCH. SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME MITIGATION ON THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE INSTEAD OF IT TAKING 4 OR 5 DAYS TO GET DOWN TO THAT DITCH JUST TRICKLING DOWN, IT'S IT'S GOING TO GO IN HOURS. [01:20:09] SO THERE WILL BE SOME MITIGATION THAT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR. BUT I'D LIKE TO ALSO KNOW, AND FROM COUNCIL, I NEED YOU TO SPEAK UP AND TELL ME WHAT. WHAT ARE YOUR TOP THREE ROADS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE AND COUNCIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S OUR TOP PRIORITY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND ASK THE CITIZENS AND THE VOTERS TO APPROVE A BOND TO FIX THEIR ROADS. I THINK THAT'S VERY CLEAR. IT'S UP TO THE CITIZENS AT THIS POINT WHAT ACTION THEY WANT US TO DO. I THINK WE GIVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION AND WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT THAT TAX IMPACT IS GOING TO BE. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND LIE TO THEM AND SAY IT'S NOT GOING TO RAISE YOUR TAXES. IT WILL. BUT WE GOTTA SPELL OUT WHAT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE ROADS AND WHAT ROADS WILL BE ON THIS LIST. AND THEN I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITH OUR COUNTY PARTNERS ON AN OVERLAY PROJECT WHERE WE GET THE COUNTY TO HELP US GIVE US AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT NEXT YEAR OR SOMETHING. WE, WHEN WE GO TO TOWN ON SOME OF THESE ROADS AND GET THEM FIXED. SO WE BUDGET. SO THERE'S NO COMPONENT AS WELL. GET THIS STUFF DONE. AND THEN OTHER ACTIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INVOLVING ELK AND OTHERS AND GET THERE. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS HERE. BEFORE WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I THINK WE NEED TO SHORE THAT STUFF UP. LIKE WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE GOING TO PICK OFF IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A AGREEMENT BETWEEN AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO. AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A STANDPOINT OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GOING TO BEG FOR? AND THEN THAT'S THEN THAT'S GOING TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN DO. THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THE TOP THREE FROM EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WE'VE GOT TO KNOW FIRST. I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO HAVING STAFF GIVE US THEIR OPINIONS AS WELL. IF THEY, THERE'S A ROAD THAT THEY KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REALLY GOT TO BITE OFF. I WOULD. I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT TACKLING ARCOLA AND HENDERSON UNTIL WE GET PARTNERSHIP FUNDING. I'D LIKE TO GET HENDERSON DONE. WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE. SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED, RIGHT? YES. HENDERSON IS GOING TO BE OVERLAID FROM 30. FROM 35. YEAH. AND IT AIN'T VERY FAR FROM THAT BRIDGE TO WHEN IT TURNS INTO CONCRETE. CORRECT? CORRECT. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THOSE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN ONLINE. THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS ON THE SCREENS AT THE TOP ARE ONES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY ESTIMATED A COST ON. THOSE ARE ALREADY DONE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. WE'VE BEEN PRETTY AGGRESSIVE ON THOSE LISTS. SILVER SADDLE IS STILL NOT ON THE LIST. SORRY I MISSED IT. YEAH. AND THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM. THAT'S THE WARREN BOUTTE 274 TO WILKINS. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE IN HERE THAT YOU'VE GOT MARKED HIGH. REMEMBER, I'M THE ONE THAT PUT YOUR SPREADSHEET. YES. WELL, AND THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT OUR TOPS ARE. BUT I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE REPRESENTATIVES OF, OF THE CITIZENS HERE IN TOWN. I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO SOME SORT OF TOWN HALL ABOUT THIS. AND I THINK THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER US DISCUSSING. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PUT INTO ACTION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. BECAUSE IF IF WE HAVE THE CITIZENS COME IN HERE, THE VOTING CITIZENS COME IN AND SAY THAT THEY WANT TO DO MORE THAN WE WOULD HAVE THROWN AT THEM, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO VOTE ON A BOND OF THAT SIZE. WELL, I MEAN, I FEEL INCLINED TO GIVE IT TO THEM. SUSIE. IT'S STILL $0.01 FOR EVERY 225 000 ROUGHLY. CORRECT. CORRECT. ON A DEBT SERVICE OF. LET'S JUST THROW OUT ROUND NUMBERS 10,000,010 MILLION TIMES OVER 30 YEARS. I'VE GOT THAT FILE SOMEWHERE. THAT WOULD BE A. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DEBT PAYMENT WOULD BE ANNUALLY. [01:25:11] ABOUT 640 000. $0.04. ON A TAX RATE ON THIS LIST. DOESN'T GET YOU. I WAS THINKING OF ANOTHER NUMBER, A BIGGER ONE. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE TO COST. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT OTHER PLACES WHERE THE ROADS ARE GOOD. LOOK OFF ARCOLA, HENDERSON. AND HE KEPT ON CEMETERY. IS WEST. WESTERN IS GOING TO BE OVERLAID? YEAH. WESTERN'S ALREADY ON THE LIST. YEAH. I THOUGHT WESTERN WAS A WAS A FULL. YEAH. WESTERN'S GOING TO BE A FULL REBUILD THIS FISCAL YEAR. THIS FISCAL YEAR. I'VE BEEN TOLD THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START IN AUGUST. I MEAN TO ME I DON'T SEE AND THIS IS THIS IS NOT ME DOGGING OUT THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT I'M. HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING BEHIND 33.5 $7 MILLION ON THAT STRETCH. AT A CEMETERY WHEN THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. I MEAN, YOU CAN YOU CAN OVERLAY THAT THAT ROAD AND MAKE IT NICE. THAT'S WHY I ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT PREFERENCE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE SOME CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST GO BACK? WELL, I MEAN, I WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER, YOU KNOW? BUT THE REALITY IS, ARE THERE ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES ON CEMETERY ON THAT END OF IT? YES. I LIVE OUT OF A MANHOLE EVERY SINGLE TIME. YEAH. IT'S A SANITARY SEWER. YEAH. ISSUE. NOT DRAINAGE. INFLOW AND INFILTRATION. IT'S REALLY BAD ON THAT ROOF. IS IS THAT CAPTURED IN THIS THREE POINT? OKAY. WELL, YEAH, IT APPEARS TO. WE'RE TRYING TO INCLUDE WHENEVER WE'RE DOING A ROAD, ALL UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDED LIKE RAYBURN RIDGE AND RICHLAND CIRCLE AND GET THOSE, I MEAN. THE ASPHALT AS WELL. AND ONE WAS ALREADY ONE IS ALREADY. WHAT IS THE MAIN ONE IN IS ALREADY CONCRETE. YEAH. THE WORST THING IS, IS IF WE GO OUT FOR A BOND AND WE USE THIS MONEY TO DO A BUNCH OF OVERLAYS, BY THE TIME YOU PAY OFF THAT BOND, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD TO REPAY THAT ROAD AGAIN. SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO CONCRETE. SO NOW THERE IS AN OPTION. THERE IS AN OPTION MUCH LIKE WHAT WE DID ON SOUTHSIDE DRIVE BY THE SCHOOL. LEAVE THE DITCHES AND JUST LEAVE THE DITCHES AND PUT CONCRETE ROADWAY UP THERE. IT'S GOING TO CUT DOWN ON SOME OF YOUR COSTS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE EXCAVATION AND HAUL OFF ALL THE MATERIAL. YOU JUST REMOVE THE BASE, STABILIZE. I MEAN, REMOVE THE ASPHALT, STABILIZE THE BASE. WELL, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT PREFER THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE TO AN OVERHAUL OF THE ROADWAY ON WESTERN WAS THAT PEOPLE LIKE THEIR DITCHES AND DIDN'T WANT THE CURB AND GUTTER. AND I, I SEE THAT TO BE COMMONPLACE IN, IN, IN MANY AREAS OF THE CITY. AND THERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DID BY, BY USING A COMBINATION OF STORM SURGE AND OPEN DITCHES ON SOUTHSIDE DRIVE, WHERE WE KIND OF CLOSE THE SCHOOL. AND THAT WAS TO PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS AND STUFF. SO IT REALLY WORKED OUT WELL. I THOUGHT IT LOOKED PRETTY NICE OVER THERE. FOR AS TIGHT AS THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS. I. THINK MANY TIMES MILLER AND WARREN FOR THAT MATTER. WARREN GETS A LOT OF USE. LET'S JUST CALL IT WHAT IT IS. AND I THINK FROM FROM WILKINS TO LUKE 274. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US UPGRADE THAT AREA, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE A MAIN WAY IN TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. [01:30:04] WILKINS WELL, THAT NEEDED TO BE, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE ALL BOX CULVERTS, CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S JUST WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. BUT THEN YOU'RE THEN YOU'RE INTO A. I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SAY IT REALLY, BECAUSE JOHN'S THINKING IT ALREADY. THAT'S A HENDERSON ESQUE TYPE OF DEAL THERE. IT'S A HUGE DITCH. I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME TALKS ABOUT WANTING TO IMPROVE COUNTY ROAD 44 ALREADY COMING INTO THE COURTHOUSE. SO I MEAN, IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO PARK OUR PORTION, RIGHT? BUT IT'D BE THE MORE YOU HAVE, THE CHEAPER THE COSTS ARE GOING TO BE, THE BETTER, MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PUT PEN TO PAPER TO GET THAT COST. BE A GOOD TIME TO PARTNER. IT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE TO DO THAT CONCRETE CURB AND GUTTER AND TO THE STANDARDS WE WANT TO PUT IT. I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WILLIAMS. I'M NOT LOOKING AT ALL. I'M SAYING. IT SHOULDN'T NEED THE HENDERSON ASTHMA TREATMENT. RIGHT, JOHN? I HOPE NOT. I GOTTA GO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE PLANS. WE'VE GOT THOSE PLANS. GOTTA SEE HOW FAR THE THING THAT THE THING THAT SPIKED HENDERSON UP SO MUCH WAS THE DRAINAGE. YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO EXPAND IT OUT AND CLOSE THAT DITCH UP. YOU KNOW, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. THAT. AND THEN GET ALL THAT WATER OUT OF RANCHO AND BRING IT. BRING IT DOWN. YEAH. I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO DO IS IF WE CAN GIVE YOU THE LIST OF WHICH ONES TO OVERLAY. THAT WAY YOU CAN START PUTTING A PRICE TAG ON ALL THE OVERLAYS. THAT WAY WE CAN GET THAT WITH THE COUNTY, HAVE THE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY, FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN BE DONE, AND GET THAT LIST OF ROADS OFF OF OUR LIST AND START CONCENTRATING ON WHAT WE WANT. AND THAT'S OUR BIG PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTERS WITH. OKAY. AND MAYBE WE TAKE A BITE OF THE ELEPHANT'S ARCOLA AND HENDERSON. I THINK THE REAL QUESTION BEFORE THIS COUNCIL IS ON SYMMETRY. HOW CAN YOU SAY CONCRETE? AND SOME OF YOU SAY JUST ASPHALT. SO, WELL, IF IT'S GOING TO BE IF IT'S GOING TO BE A BONDED PROJECT AND IT NEEDS THE THE UTILITIES WORK, AS HECTOR AND JOHN ARE, ARE SAYING IT DOES. THIS IS ONE I DIDN'T LOOK AT. SO I'M GOING TO EXCUSE ME FOR MY IGNORANCE ON IT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONCRETE. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO BE COMING BACK AND REMEDIATE OR RECONDITIONING THAT ROAD WHILE WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR THE BOND PROJECT. THAT'S PRETTY SILLY. YEAH. LIKE THAT, I WOULD AGREE. I'D ALSO POINT YOU TO SAN FELIPE. I KNOW SAN FELIPE AND CHEVY CHASE HAVE BEEN DONE ON THE DOWN THE WESTERN SIDE OF DOWNING, BUT THERE IS A MAJOR DRAINAGE COMPONENT TO SAN FELIPE, AND UNTIL WE CAN GET THE EAST SIDE OF THAT ROAD DONE, WE CANNOT GET THE WATER OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF 35. SO TO ME, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PRIORITY TO THIS COUNCIL IS GETTING SAN FELIPE A COMPLETE ON THE EAST SIDE WITH THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT JOHN? THAT WOULD OPEN UP A LOT OF AREA DOWN THERE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT THERE ON DOWNING ROAD, WHERE YOU HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER STACKING DURING RAIN EVENTS? WELL, THIS IS WHAT I THINK. THIS IS WHAT CAUSES OUR KIND OF OUR STALEMATE IN THIS. IS THAT A A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OF THE TWO LARGE ONES, SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS WHERE YOU JUST, YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT. SO THE DECISIONS ARE REALLY EASY. YOU HAVE THREE LOCATIONS. YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE ONE SAN FELIPE DOWNEY, YOU HAVE ARCOLA, THE OUTFALL, AND YOU HAVE HENDERSON. BUT I THINK YOU COULD FIND POTENTIAL PARTNERS ON SOME OF THOSE. SPECIFICALLY TWO OF THEM. I REALLY THINK THAT WHEN HE RELEASES THE, THE CALL FOR THE TIP FUNDING AGAIN, I MEAN, Y'ALL REALLY SCORED HIGH. I MEAN, IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE SURPRISE. Y'ALL DIDN'T GET SELECTED FOR ME. AND WHEN WE WENT TO THE MEETING, THEY REMEMBERED HENDERSON ROAD. I DIDN'T HAVE TO TELL HIM WHAT ROAD. I JUST TOLD THEM ANGLETON. AND THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS COMING UP THERE TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT. WHEN THEY HAD THAT BIG TIP MEETING WITH ME AND SEVERAL OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WALKED UP THERE. SO IT'S BEEN NOTED, IT'S ALSO BEEN RANKED HIGH ON A POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, BUT IT'S LISTED THAT THEY COULD DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE ON IT. SO IT DID DRAW SOME SOME ATTENTION. I THINK WE'RE MAKING HOPEFULLY KEEP COORDINATING WITH TEXDOT. [01:35:07] HOPEFULLY COUNTY STAFF IS COORDINATING WITH THEM. THEY'RE MEETING MONTHLY WITH THEM AS WELL. WE'RE MEETING QUARTERLY. SO THE STAFF IS TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'LL HELP WITH THE, WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE COUNTY PUT IN. I MEAN, IT WOULD JUST MAKE THAT AREA SO MUCH BETTER BECAUSE WHEN IT RAINS, THERE'S JUST THE WATER HAS TO LEGITIMATELY STACK UP AND THEN JUST SLOWLY METER OUT. NOW THE GOOD THING IS WE DON'T GET FLOODING, RIGHT? THE ROADS SO WIDE, YOU GOT SO MUCH STORAGE IN THERE, YOU GET NUISANCE FLOODING, BUT YOU DON'T GET STRUCTURAL FLOODING. A BIG DIFFERENCE. STRUCTURAL. BUT THE PARKING AREA OVER THERE, RIGHT? IT RAINS. PEOPLE GOING TO JURY SUMMONS, THEIR CAR GETS FLOATED AWAY. RIGHT. BUT AS FAR AS STRUCTURAL, THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T THAT'S WHY ANGLETON CAN'T GET A LOT OF THESE DRAINAGE FUNDS AND GRANTS IS I CAN'T SHOW ON PAPER. YOU HAVE STRUCTURAL FLOODING. YOU HAVE A LOT OF NUISANCE FLOODING IN THE CITY, RIGHT? SO AT THAT POINT, WHEN YOU START DOING THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, I CAN NEVER GET THE COST OF THE REPLACEMENT OF WHAT'S BEEN RUINED ABOVE WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION AND STUFF. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE KIND OF PUT A HALT ON IT, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE DO THAT, YOU'LL HAVE MAYBE, WHAT, 3 OR 4 HOUSES AT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME LEVEL KEEPS RISING. SO WE'RE GETTING UNDER THAT THRESHOLD AS WELL OR OVER THAT THRESHOLD. NEW MAPS HAVE COME OUT. SO. IN MY OPINION. I AM LEANING TOWARDS THE ONES THAT HAVE DOUBLE WHAMMIES THAT ARE FIXING I AND I THAT ARE FIXING DRAINAGE. I WOULD LIKE TO DO CONCRETE TO MATCH FOR CEMETERY, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE ABLE TO STRETCH OUR DOLLAR AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO CONCRETE ONCE WE CAN MATCH THE MEDIAN. BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE A LOT TO CONTINUE THAT ROAD BECAUSE OF THE DITCHES. I JUST WONDER HOW CEMETERY FIXED WOULD WITH GIFFORD COMING INTO IT AND SOUTHSIDE DRIVE GOING INTO IT, WOULD THEY HAVE TO BE RE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE REDONE. CORRECT. I JUST AT THE OUTFALL, JUST AT THE OUTFALLS. BUT IT GIVE YOU AN OPTION. LIKE WHAT IS THAT. WHAT ARE THOSE LITTLE STREETS THAT RUN RIGHT OFF OFF OFF OF CEMETERY VINE. IT WOULD GIVE YOU AN OUTFALL TO WHERE YOU COULD GO IN THERE AND CLEAN THOSE DITCHES AND GIVE YOU SOME BETTER DRAINAGE. UP, DOWN VINE AND GROVES AND SET SOME OF THEM CULVERTS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. WE DID DO THE FIRST ONE IS VINE, ISN'T IT? CORRECT. IT'S PART OF SOUTHSIDE DRIVE. WE WENT BACK AND RESET THEM. BUT I MEAN WE IT WAS SO TIGHT TO GET IT DOWN THERE. BUT WE DID REGRADE VINE. WE DID RESET THOSE CULVERTS. I BELIEVE WE HAD TO USE ASPHALT BECAUSE WE COULDN'T PUT SIX INCH THICK DRIVEWAY IN IT WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE CULVERT. WELL, YOU'RE SAYING ON, ON, ON CEMETERY, SINCE WE'RE HERE, IT'S SHOWING CONCRETE ON THAT ONE. I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A STRETCH, PROBABLY, BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT OF THAT 3.57 MILLION WAS THE UNDERGROUND? ROUGHLY. DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DO HAVE A DETAILED COST ESTIMATE THAT WE CREATED FOR EACH ONE OF THESE. I MEAN, WOULD YOU SAY IT WAS HALF? I HATE TO SAY HALF. OKAY. I'D HATE TO SAY HALF. YEAH. 3.5 ON WESTERN AVENUE. THAT 1.9 MILLION FOR CONCRETE. WOULD IT BE AROUND THREE? WE'RE ONLY THAT ONE. THAT ONE ON WESTERN AVENUE. WE WEREN'T WE WEREN'T LOWERING THE ROAD. WE WERE JUST GOING TO REDO THE ROAD. THE CONCRETE. YEAH. NO SIDEWALKS. NO SIDEWALKS. NO SIDEWALKS. NO. NO CLOSING ANY DRAINAGE. NONE OF THAT. YEAH. THE RESIDENTS WERE OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSED TO DOING THAT ANYWAY. YEAH. THEY DIDN'T WANT THEIR SIDE. THEY DIDN'T WANT THEIR DITCHES. QUITE A FEW OF THEM CAME TO ME AND SAID THEY WANTED TO SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE THE SIDEWALKS WITHOUT CLOSING THE DITCHES. [01:40:01] THEY GIVE AWAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FRONT YARD IF YOU GIVE THEM SOME SOME PROPERTY, IF THEY GIVE UP SOME PROPERTY. AND WE DID THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE DRIVE. YEAH. RIGHT. WE WENT OFF THE DITCH LINE AND WE PUT IN THE SIDEWALK OFF TO THE SIDE. YEAH. BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT AWAY. BUT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WESTERN AVENUE LOTS ARE. OKAY. NEXT STEP. SO I THINK THE ACTION ITEMS OUT OF TONIGHT ARE. WELL, I'M STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF WHAT THEIR TOP PRIORITY STREETS. BUT THE THE OVERLAY LIST. WE'VE GOT TO GET THAT TAKE THAT BACK. SPLIT IT. FIGURE THAT OUT. HAVE AN OVERLAY SECTION. HAVE A CONCRETE SECTION. SECTION. OKAY. AND ON THE OVERLAY LIST, WE NEED TO HAVE THE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT. WHAT ROADS CAN WE GET DONE IF WE GOT A BIG YEAR? THAT HAS A TAX IMPLICATION. I THINK ONE PERSON I HAVEN'T HEARD, SUSIE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OUR BONDING CAPACITY IS IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS? BASED OFF THE STREET FUND FROM THE A, B, L, C OR. YEAH. FROM THE HALF CENT SALES TAX. NOT THE HOUSING. WHAT'S IN THE STREET FUND FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT'S BEEN MOVED WE JUST STARTED THIS, THE STREET FUND. OKAY. THIS WE ONLY HAVE 349,000 THIS YEAR. SO IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING. WE HAVE MOVED 2% OF OUR SALES TAX OF THE GENERAL FUND ONLY INTO THE STREET FUND. WE DO HAVE TWO SMALL PROJECTS OR TWO PROJECTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. UPON REQUEST THAT I WAS THINKING WE'D GET THE $68,000 OR 75,000 OUT OF THERE AS A YES. FOR THIS YEAR. MY CAPACITY FOR THE GENERAL FUND, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY CAPACITY IN THIS YEAR, BUT IN THE NEXT YEAR YOU WILL HAVE CAPACITY THAT WILL NOT GO INTO YOUR M AND O. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING IT OUT FOR THE CITIZENS TO VOTE. THAT CAPACITY IS MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE WHAT THEY WILL VOTE ON WILL NOT AFFECT. WELL, IT DOES AFFECT YOUR M AND O, BUT THEY. THAT WILL GO STRAIGHT TO THAT BOND. A 10 MILLION UP TO 50 MILLION BOND IS YOUR CAPACITY AND THAT WOULD BE IT. IT ALSO VARIES WHETHER WE GET REIMBURSED FROM FEMA. AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE OWE ON THE BOND IS MORE THAN WE ARE REIMBURSEMENT. FULL REIMBURSEMENT IS. SO THAT WILL TAKE ONE MORE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT, WHICH WOULD BE THE 2627 BUDGET. AND THEN WHATEVER WE GET FROM FEMA WILL PAY OFF THAT BOND. WE OWE 3,000,005. WE SHOULD BE GETTING BACK 3,000,001. IF WE GET 100% REIMBURSEMENT. I PUT IN 5 MILLION. SO DEBT SERVICE 320,000. BUT I DIDN'T STAGGER IT. I DID IT EQUAL. SO THERE'S THAT ISSUE. I ALSO DID IT AT 4%. IT'S ABOUT RIGHT. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL YOUR BOND AGENT HOW YOU WANT TO DO YOUR PAYMENTS. YOU CAN DO A LOWER PAYMENTS AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE HIGHER PAYMENTS TOWARDS THE END. SUGGESTION IS TO DO YOUR BONDS TO HAVE A FIVE YEAR BOND DROPPED SO YOU CAN HAVE CAPABILITIES. THE REASON I ASK YOU THAT QUESTION, AND THE REASON I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE THERE IS 5 MILLION. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 5 MILLION WOULD BE. LET'S SAY WE GOT THE TIP GRANT FOR HENDERSON 5 MILLION WOULD BE OUR. LET'S SAY WE DID THAT 5 MILLION. WE PUT THAT TOWARDS HENDERSON AND MATCH THAT 8020 OR SOMETHING AROUND 20. BELOW 20 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT. [01:45:05] AND IF WE GO TO THE VOTERS, WE DON'T PUT HENDERSON ON THERE FOR THE REASON THAT WE WILL HAVE THE BONDING CAPACITY IN THE NEXT YEAR AND TO DO THAT. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISION. ANDERSON WOULD BE MY TOP ONE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY GO FORWARD. I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO THE VOTERS FOR ANDERSON. WE CAN'T EVEN SCRATCH THE SURFACE OF IT. I HAD TO GIVE MY TOP THREE WITH KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT ARCOLA, HENDERSON AND. I STILL WOULD PUT WESTERN AVENUE OR CONCRETE REPLACEMENT. I PUT ONE WESTERN AVENUE FULL CONCRETE, CONCRETE, CONCRETE, CURB AND CONCRETE. BUT WE'RE. WE'RE FIXING TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THE ROAD, SO. WELL. YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, JOHN. WE'RE JUST OVERLAY IT. WELL, I THINK I THINK WE'RE NOT OVERLAYING IT. WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO RE RE. THAT'S A TOTAL REBUILD RIGHT. WITH ASPHALT. HOW MANY YEARS WILL WE GET OUT OF THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH HEAVY LOADING ON WESTERN AVENUE. GUYS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DUMP TRUCK OR A TRASH TRUCK. YEAH, I THINK THE ROAD HAS REALLY BEEN IN THE CAPACITY IT'S BEEN IN SINCE I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. YEAH. YEAH. SO AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY STUFF, I MEAN, YOU CAN PUSH AN ASPHALT ROAD THAT REBUILDS END TO END, RIGHT? 35 BACK AROUND BASICALLY TO THE HERITAGE OAKS. CORRECT. YEAH. THAT ROAD HAD SOME PATCHING. SO I THINK IT'S BEEN OVERLAID MAYBE ONCE, BUT IT'S BEEN THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOR 30 YEARS. I DON'T REMEMBER ANYBODY DOING ANYTHING. IT WAS I THINK IT WAS DONE ONE TIME WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THEN THAT WE RECOMMEND WE JUST STAY WITH THE ASPHALT ON WESTERN. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC LOADING AND THE THING I LOOK AT IT IS BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, RIGHT? WHERE DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME DOWN AND ACTUALLY USE THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF LOADING. YOU'RE NOT MOVING TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE. IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WELL, AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU GET THAT COMES AROUND HERITAGE OAKS THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT THAT DOES OCCUR. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC. BUT WHAT MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, AN ABSOLUTE PAIN IS THAT THE ROAD IS PRETTY BAD. YEAH, I TRAVERSE IT QUITE A BIT. BASICALLY ONE WAY YOU HAVE TO, I SAID IT'S BASICALLY ONE WAY YOU HAVE TO MOVE OVER WHEN THERE'S TWO WAY TRAFFIC COMING DOWN. WELL, IT'S KIND OF ALWAYS THAT'S KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN THE WAY OF IT THOUGH. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A NARROW ROAD. I LIVE, I LIVED ON IT, MY GRANDMOTHER. NO, I MEAN, WITH THE WAY THE DETERIORATION IS STARTING TO HAPPEN, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DRIVE. THEY'LL JUST PARK AND LET YOU GO BY, AND THEN THEY'LL GO INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. IT WOULDN'T BE MY TOP PRIORITY. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. BUT I WOULD SAY CEMETERY. I'D LIKE TO PUT RAVEN RIDGE RICHMOND CIRCLE TOGETHER AS ONE PROJECT. YOU CAN'T DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. MY THOUGHT EXACTLY. I STILL WANT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DWYER AND WAYNE. WAYNE IS GOING TO BE AN OVERLAY. THAT'S. THAT'S AN ASPHALT. SO WE'LL CATCH THAT ON THE ON THE COUNTY SIDE AND. DECIDED ABOUT SPANISH TRACE REPAIR. RIGHT. NO, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO MENTION THAT HERE IN A SECOND. DID YOU KNOW IN ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS OF PICKING A ROAD. I THINK WE NEED TO DO AS WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY AND KIND OF SET ASIDE JUST X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR US TO PERFORM THOSE POINT REPAIRS BECAUSE I'VE LISTED OUT AND THIS IS ISN'T INCLUDING SPANISH TRACE, BUT WITH SPANISH TRACE, I'VE GOT 11 PANEL REPLACEMENTS LISTED OUT THAT HAVE TO DO WITH EITHER A DRAINAGE BOX OR CULVERT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT UNDER THE ROADWAY. FAILING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. [01:50:03] CONCRETE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. AND I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY KNOCK SOME OF THOSE OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THAT ROADWAY WHEN WE MAKE THESE POINT REPAIRS VERSUS LETTING MORE OF IT FALL APART. WELL, AND YOU WE HAD HAD A DISCUSSION PRIOR ABOUT AND THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED PAINTING THESE STREETS. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, WE ALSO HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A STREET SIDE OF JUSTICE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO IN AND RESEAL THEM AT THE JOINTS. AND THAT'S CAUSING AN ISSUE TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING OUR STREETS AS WE SHOULD THE CONCRETE ONES. AND MAKING THAT ASPHALT REPAIRS WITH THE SEALANT AS WE SHOULD. CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SET ASIDE A TOTAL AMOUNT OUT OF THIS WHOLE TOTAL AND JUST SET IT ASIDE FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE IN GENERAL. AND WE CAN DO IT LIKE WE DID PREVIOUSLY, AND JUST PACKAGE TOGETHER A BUNCH OF THESE SMALLER PROJECTS AND JUST GET IT ALL DONE AT ONE TIME. I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. TWO ROADS I WOULD I MEAN, I'M DEBATING ON KNOX TINSLEY AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ROADS WARRANT SOME TYPE OF DISCUSSION. IT'S GOOD THAT FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD THE FORESIGHT ON BUCHTA AND AND HOSPITAL. AND DID THOSE ROADS BACK THEN, WERE THEY THE MOST TRAFFICKED? NO. BUT DID THEY HELP IN THE OVERALL AREA. ABSOLUTELY. THE DRAINAGE. THERE. LOOK AT TINSLEY. MAIN THOROUGHFARE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT STREETS IN THAT AREA. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY IN ANGLETON. THAT'S ONE OF OUR MORE DENSER AREAS. WELL, THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I BROUGHT UP WITH THIS LIST IS, YOU KNOW, HEY, I HAVEN'T GOT ANY FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON THEIR TOP THREE. WELL, I MEAN, I'VE GOT ABOUT, I GOT MY TOP SEVEN, YOU KNOW, MY TOP TEN. I MEAN, EITHER WAY. YEAH. WELL YOU CAN, BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU CAN MAKE A REALLY GOOD ARGUMENT FOR ANY ONE OF THESE. AND TO LEAVE ANY ONE OF THEM OFF OF THE LIST IS, IS HARD TO DO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE ON HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE A HIGH LEVEL PRIORITY ITEM AND THEY'VE RECEIVED. WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON THESE. JOHN, IF YOU DID. TINSLEY WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE'VE RESOLVED IN CERTAIN CASES. TINSLEY DOES IT AFFECT YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DO SAN FELIPE? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT. SAN FELIPE IS PROBABLY THE OPENING. IT'S GOT TO BE DONE. I CAN LOOK AT THAT THOUGH. I KNOW TINSLEY, WHEN WE DID THE ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL, RIDGECREST, WE DID REQUEST THERE WAS NO DRAINAGE UP ON THE VERY LIMITED DRAINAGE ON TINSLEY. RIGHT. SO RIDGECREST ACTUALLY IT RUNS HALFWAY DOWN AS FAR AS I COULD EXTEND DUE TO THE DEPTH. IT'S JUST HALFWAY. BARELY HALFWAY, MAYBE FOR THE WAY UP. SO ALL THAT WATER RUNNING DOWN RIDGECREST TO GET IN THOSE INLETS TO GET PICKED UP AND TAKEN OUT TO DOWNEY. BUT AGAIN, DOWNEY AT THAT POINT IS YOUR YOUR BIG BOAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WHEN IT RAINS, Y'ALL PUT BLOCKING TRAFFIC OFF TO KEEP THEM FROM PUSHING WATER INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES. WELL, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE REALLY GOT TO DO BOTH OF THESE HERE. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CHEVY CHASE AND SAN FELIPE ONES THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? 16, 16.33 MILLION. THAT 8 MILLION TOTAL IS FOR BOTH OF THOSE STREETS. WE'RE JUST KIND OF OH, BECAUSE WE JUST HAD THEM LISTED SEPARATELY, BUT YEAH. OH, WELL, THAT'S A THAT'S A REAL QUICK. YEAH. THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S I WAS LIKE, OH, WAIT, I DID THAT. YEAH. WE HAD 16 MILLION AND I DIVIDE IT BY TWO. WHAT IS IT, 16? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I DID DO THAT. 16. THAT'S A BIG ONE. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ARCOLA BIG. YEAH. AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING IS THEN THEN WHILE THESE ARE THESE ARE BOTH I MEAN, THESE ARE THESE ARE BOTH ALL STAR ITEMS ON HERE. THAT ONE, I BELIEVE I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT ACREAGE. IT'S LIKE 200 ACRES FROM THE OLD PART OF ANGLETON RIGHT THERE. ALL THAT DRAINS INTO IT. WE'LL GO UNDERNEATH 35, GO DOWN, PUT A DETENTION POND IN. [01:55:01] WE'VE IDENTIFIED IDENTIFIED SOME AREA. SO I MEAN, WE'VE GOT IT PLANNED OUT AND IT HELPS OUT TREMENDOUSLY. I BELIEVE THAT ONE GOES ALL THE WAY AND HELPS OUT ALL THE WAY TO THE LIBRARY. YES. WOULD IT BE YOU'RE TALKING FROM FROM FROM THE FROM THE UNDERGROUND THERE AT DOWNING. NO, NO I'M SORRY. THAT'S THAT'S. YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH. OKAY. CHANGE GEARS ON ME. YEAH, YEAH. I'M SORRY. I GOT TO PULL THAT. I WAS NOT AWARE WE WERE GOING TO DO I BROUGHT EVERYTHING THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN DO SAN FELIPE WITHOUT CHEVY CHASE. YOU CAN'T DO IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. BUT YOU CAN DO SAN FELIPE WITHOUT CHEVY CHASE. NO, SAN FELIPE IS WHERE IT GOES DOWN. YOU CAN DO CHEVY CHASE POSSIBLY BEFORE YOU DO SAN FELIPE. WHAT ROAD COMES OUT? IT COMES DOWN. SAN. SAN FELIPE IS THE ONE THAT COMES OUT. CHEVY CHASE TIES INTO IT, COMES INTO IT. RIGHT. SO YOU GOTTA LEAVE SAN FELIPE OPEN ALL THE WAY TO WHERE WE CAN BRING IT DOWN. BUT YOU CAN POTENTIALLY DO SOME REPAIRS OVER THERE. BUT I THINK WE ACTUALLY PUT SOME INLETS OVER THERE TOO. CORRECT. SO WE PUT INLETS IN THAT YOU CAN'T SEE. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF, I GUESS, ROUTE THESE PROJECTS IN A WAY WHERE WE'RE SAYING LIKE, IF WE DO THIS PROJECT, IT'LL IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE AND THEN WE CAN GO AND FIX THESE ROADS NEXT. BUT WITHOUT FIXING THIS ONE FIRST, YOU KNOW, THESE TWO ARE KIND OF A MOOT POINT. I MEAN, WOULD THAT HELP TO KIND OF LIST THEM OUT THAT WAY? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YEAH, THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. DO WE WANT I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT THE LAST BIG BOND WE DID, WE ADDED THE ROADWAY COMMITTEE TO GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. I KNOW IT WAS PAINFUL, BUT I FELT IT HELPED GET THAT BOND PASSED. I DON'T KNOW IF. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT THE LIST. IT'S JUST WE NEED A COMMITTEE THAT WANTS TO. I THINK WE JUST NEED COMMUNICATION TO THE RESIDENTS IS WHAT WE NEED. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A TOWN HALL, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE THAT UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR LIKE WE DID WITH THE WATER. THAT WOULD. WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, BUT WE NEED THE. WE JUST NEED TO DO SOMETHING. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SIZE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DWYER. YOU'VE GOT ALIGNMENT TO THE HIGHWAY. IS THAT ALSO REPAVING. OKAY. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT SNAKES AROUND RIGHT THERE. RIGHT? YEAH. YOU'RE GOING TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. IT DIDN'T SAY YOU'RE GOING TO REPAVE IT. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT APRON APPROVED. AND THERE'S AN APRON. THERE'S AN APRON ALREADY THERE. WE'VE GOT APPROVAL THROUGH TAX HIKE. SO IT'S IT'S PERMITTED FOR US TO DO THAT. WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY UPDATE THE PERMIT JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE. BUT ESSENTIALLY THE IDEA WAS IS IT WOULD ALLOW MORE DEVELOPABLE LAND IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING OUT THERE ON THE LAND OR IF YOU WANTED TO SELL THAT THAT SECTION, YOU KIND OF STRAIGHTEN THE ROAD OUT. HAVE TWO PEOPLE HERE. ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. I'M ALL FOR INPUT ON THESE ROADS. THIS IS THE THIS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIZENS HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING THAT THEIR ROADS ARE NOT GETTING FIXED, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THEIR ROADS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK. YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD A TOWN HALL IN A WAY THAT THEY COULD THAT THEY COULD WRITE THESE ROADS AND, AND WE CAN GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE SOME SORT OF RATING, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY, WELL, THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR BECAUSE THIS IS HOW PEOPLE PRIORITIZE THINGS OR THIS IS WHAT WE HEARD, HEY, YOU KNOW, GET THE GET THE ROADS FIXED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. AND IF THAT MEANS US GOING OUT FOR A MAXIMUM BOND AMOUNT TO DO THAT, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE I DO LIKE TO HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY SAYING. HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU NEED FOR THE TEN PANEL REPLACEMENT? I BELIEVE THE LAST ONES WE DID AVERAGED LIKE AROUND 200, $250,000 A POP. SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO ALL OF THEM, I MEAN, JUST ROUGHLY LIKE $2.5 MILLION, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL TEN OF THEM. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN JUST PRIORITIZE IT. WE WANT TO DO SOME, YOU KNOW, ROAD REPAIRS. WE'VE GOT 154 FOR SPANISH TRACE. YES. THAT OLD COST YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. [02:00:03] YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONCRETE PANE REPLACEMENT IN THE ROAD. YEAH. YEAH. DID I JUST HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? ONE OF THE CONCRETE PANELS IN THE ROADWAY IS HOW MUCH? NO, NO, NO. HE'S TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUS PROJECTS WE'VE DONE WHERE WE SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO SO MANY FEET, NOT NOT JUST ONE. WE DID LIKE A THE HOSPITAL IN DOWNEY THAT THAT SECTION WAS I THINK THAT WAS CLOSER TO 300 000 FOR THAT ONE. AND THEN WE DID A NARITA AND DO THAT SECTION THAT WAS CLOSER TO LIKE 200,000, I BELIEVE. SO JUST YEAH, AVERAGE COST OF PREVIOUS ONES WE'VE DONE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT A SINGLE PANEL. LIKE EVEN WITH SPANISH TRACE THOSE PANELS, THAT ENTIRE SECTION ON A SMALL POINT LIKE THAT WHERE YOU PULL THE PAINT THE PAVEMENT UP, PULL IT OFF, YOU DIG THE SUBGRADE OUTPUT, THE LAST SUBGRADE IN, IT'S ABOUT 175 TO $185 A SQUARE YARD. THAT'S THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY. NOW YOU GOT TO REMEMBER LIKE, LIKE SPANISH TRACE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. NOW YOU CAN TAKE A HAMMER AND HIT IT HITTING HERE, THE HOLLOWNESS UNDERNEATH IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY IT'S BELLY DOWN, IS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THE SPONSOR. IT'S A TICKING TIME BOMB. UNHAPPY PEOPLE. NOW, THE TRASH TRUCK ON THAT A COUPLE MORE TIMES. I DON'T THINK THAT CAN WAIT TILL. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT WE ALREADY HAD THE MONEY FOR THAT. NO, WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA LEFTOVER. SILVER SADDLE IN PARIS. AND WE WOULD USE SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR SOME. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY I'M SURE JOHN FEELS THE SAME WAY UNTIL WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THAT PROJECT BEFORE WE SAY WE DO SO, I DO BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY HAD A POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDER UPCOMING ON US ALREADY, CORRECT? YEAH. WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND FOUND WHEN HE GOT IN, THERE WERE SOME LITTLE DISCREPANCIES IN THE RIGHT OF WAYS ELEVATIONS. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE PIPE OUT FROM REGULAR PIPE TO PIPE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE WHEN I SAY WE'RE RAZOR THIN, I MEAN, EVEN WITH THE PIPE, WE'RE ONE INCH BELOW THE PAVING, JUST TRYING TO CLEAR IT. AND WHEN HE WENT OUT AND SURVEYED IT, THIS IS WHERE THIS PIPE IS GOING TO BE HERE PHYSICALLY AT THAT LOCATION. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE WE'VE GOT SUPPLEMENTAL ITEMS WHERE WE CAN PULL THAT MONEY OUT. SO WE'RE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT AS WELL. COUNCIL. WHEN DO YOU WANT TO DO THE TOWN HALL? AS SOON AS WE CAN GET INFORMATION FROM JOHN HECTOR ON. SO WE'VE WRITTEN EVERYTHING DOWN. YOU GUYS HAVE REQUESTED SUGGESTED, AND WE'LL PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER. I'M ASSUMING YOU DON'T WANT TO BRING IT BACK HERE. WE JUST WANT TO SET UP A TOWN HALL AND GO FOR IT. WE CAN EMAIL THE LIST OUT, I ASSUME, AND ASK FOR IT FIRST. YEAH, WE'LL DO ALL WE'LL DO. ALL WITHOUT THE ASPHALT ROADS AND THEN TAKE THE REST. YES, THE REST ARE LEFT. AND THEN PUT THOSE. MAKE SURE THERE'S NUMBERS BEHIND THEM. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'LL BE THE ASPHALT. IS THE RICHLAND, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. THAT ONE SECTION WILL BE ASPHALT. THAT'S MORE OF A DRAINAGE PROJECT. CORRECT. A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH ISN'T IT. YEAH. YEAH IT IS. YEAH. BECAUSE THE STREETS ARE JUST FALLING APART BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE. AND WE'RE CHANGING. WESTERN TO ASPHALT. YES. IT'S ALREADY BEING OVERLAID THIS YEAR. THE WHOLE ROAD BEING OVERLAID. IS THAT RIGHT? THE WHOLE THING. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE. WE DECIDED. FOR WESTERN. YOU DON'T HAVE A COST FOR ASPHALT. NOT CURRENTLY. I KNOW, LIKE WHEN THE COUNTY COMES IN TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, THEY'LL PROVIDE US A COST AT THAT POINT IN TIME BEFORE THEY GET STARTED. BUT WE JUST BUDGET FOR OVERLAYS ANNUAL BASIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY GOOD? YEP, I THINK SO. REMEMBER, WE'RE TRYING TO HIT AN AUGUST. [02:05:02] WHAT DATE? IT WAS THE 11TH OF AUGUST TO GET IT ON THE. TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BALLOT FOR ELECTION TO THE BOND 15. IT WAS LIKE MID AUGUST, MAYBE NEXT YEAR, BUT IT'LL BE NEXT YEAR, NOT THIS YEAR. NO CAPACITY FOR THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY ISSUE. CORRECT. CORRECT. IT WOULD BE NEXT BOND. THIS IS THIS IS GOING OUT TO THE VOTERS TO. THIS IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT I ASKED YOU EARLIER. YEAH. THIS IS GETTING THERE BY IN BY ELECTION TO TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE FOR THE PROJECT. THIS WOULD BE AN INCREASE TO THE IS. PROBABLY AROUND THREE AND A HALF CENTS. OKAY. LET'S. ARE WE GOOD? YEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO JUMP NOW. ONE ONE OTHER THING. JUST ON THIS LAST ITEM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS AND WE'RE PRESENTING THIS, I THINK THE BIGGEST I THINK THE ONE FACTOR THAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT WOULD A, A PROJECT OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MAGNITUDE, WHETHER IT'S FIVE, TEN, 15, $20 MILLION, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR A HOUSE THAT'S VALUED AT X, X, X X AND AN INCREASE IN TAXES? THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S GOING TO MEAN FOR THEIR TAX. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK WHEN PEOPLE SEE THAT AND THEY THEY LOOK AT THE ANNUAL INCREASE IN DOLLARS TO THEIR TO THEIR PROPERTY TAX. IT'S GOING TO BE EASY FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, OF JUICE FROM THAT SQUEEZE. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF VALUE PROVIDED TO THE CITY STREETS FOR NOT A LOT OF MONEY. LET ME GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POLICIES AND PROCESSES ON DOING BUSINESS WITH LOCAL COMPANIES. [6. Discussion and possible action regarding the policies and processes on doing business with local companies. ] YOU'RE ALREADY UP THERE. I WILL COMMENT AND SAY I APPRECIATE THAT YOU THROUGH ALL OF THE STUFF, ALL THE SUPPLIERS IN HERE. ALTHOUGH MOST OF THEM ARE NOT APPLICABLE. TO CITY EMPLOYEES. SO WALK ME THROUGH WHEN A PROJECT IS BEING LET FOR THE CITY. AND WE AS A COUNCIL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE TIME. I'LL DO THINGS ON A DAILY BASIS WITH THE VENDORS. THERE IS A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE TRYING TO GET BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT DOING THAT? SO WE HAVE VENDORS REACH OUT TO US OCCASIONALLY. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ALL THE TIME, BUT QUITE FREQUENTLY WE'LL GET EMAILS SENT TO US FOR, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE A LOCAL BUSINESS PER SE, BUT THEY'LL EMAIL US DIRECTLY AND WE REQUEST THEIR W-9 AND GET THAT OVER TO PURCHASING SO THEY CAN GET ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM. NOW IF YOU WANT LIKE A PROCEDURE AS FAR AS LIKE HOW WE ACTUALLY PROCURE THINGS YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON TOTAL AMOUNT OF THRESHOLD, RIGHT? AND WE ALSO JUST HAD AN INCREASE FROM YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS 50,000 AS A THRESHOLD NOW TO 100,000 AND ANYTHING OVER, WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING STATE LAWS, ANYTHING OVER $3,000, WE'RE GETTING THREE QUOTES FOR, AND WE'RE JUST GOING WITH THE BEST VALUE THAT WE FEEL IS FOR THE CITY. I WILL SAY WITH A LOT OF THINGS, PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LOCAL THINGS FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE SANITARY SEWER REHABS AND A LOT OF LIKE SUPPLIES FOR ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT OR WATER TREATMENT THINGS, THERE'S JUST NOT ANYBODY IN ANGLETON THAT SUPPLIES ANY OF THAT. AS FAR AS US DEALING WITH LOCAL VENDORS I KNOW LIKE I'LL HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE A WARDROBE, RIGHT? I KNOW, LIKE WE TRIED TO WORK WITH ZIEGLER'S AS MUCH AS WE COULD, BUT IT WAS MORE LUCRATIVE FOR US TO ORDER SOME, [02:10:02] LIKE HIGH VIS EQUIPMENT OR APPAREL FOR THE GUYS. IT WAS A WHOLE LOT LUCRATIVE FOR US TO JUST ORDER THAT OFF OF SOMEWHERE ELSE VERSUS USING LOCAL ZIEGLER'S IS DUE TO THE COST. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE US AS FAR AS LIKE A POLICY IN PLACE OR A CERTAIN LIKE SOP THAT'S IN PLACE FOR DOING BUSINESS WITH LOCAL VENDORS. IT JUST DOESN'T EXIST, NOT IN OUR DEPARTMENT. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ACROSS THE CITY. SO IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT? I WOULD SAY SO. I THINK I THINK THERE ARE SOME CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME STIPULATIONS WITH THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL IS INCLUDED ALREADY LIKE IN CHARTERS AND JUST OUR GENERAL PURCHASING ALREADY. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EMPHASIZED IN ANY KIND OF WAY ALREADY. BUT I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME LIMITATIONS TO CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I MEAN, REALLY, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS YOU WANT TO GIVE US, WE CAN CERTAINLY EXPLORE THAT. SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT PROSPECTIVE BUSINESSES INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, UNLESS THEY'VE APPROACHED YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM. SO YOU DON'T USUALLY GO SOLICIT. CORRECT. I DON'T GO I DON'T GO HUNTING FOR THEM IN THAT MANNER. NO. CORRECT. THERE'S A REPOSITORY. THERE'S A PLACE THAT Y'ALL KEEP EVERYTHING WHERE PEOPLE SAID, HEY, KEEP ME IN MIND FOR THE NEXT PROJECT. YOU KEEP A LIST SOMEWHERE. YEAH, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LIST THAT GOT SENT OUT. RIGHT. THAT'S THE LIST THAT'S IN OUR ENCODE SYSTEM. THAT'S YOUR SUPPLIERS? YES. THAT'S SOMEBODY YOU'VE ALREADY DONE BUSINESS WITH. I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T CURRENTLY DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. THEY DON'T THEY'VE NEVER BEEN SET UP AS A SUPPLIER. YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM. AND IF THEY REACH OUT TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO REALLY BE INVOLVED IN THIS NEXT PROJECT, HOW DO YOU KEEP UP WITH THAT? SO I GUESS WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WHEN WE GET A NEW VENDOR EMAIL LIST, WE SUBMIT THEIR W-9 TO LIKE PURCHASING. DOES THAT ADD THEM TO THAT LIST? OKAY. THEN THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO. WE GET THEIR W-9 INFORMATION AND WE ADD IT TO THAT LIST. WELL, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING WHAT I'M WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS UNLESS YOU'VE AWARDED THEM THE CON, AWARDED THEM SOMETHING OR GIVEN THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BUSINESS, THERE'S NO CENTRAL REPOSITORY LIST TO GO, HEY, WE GOT THIS PROJECT. I REMEMBER THAT ONE COMPANY HERE'S ON THE THEY'RE ON THE LIST FOR, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BID UNLESS YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM THAT PROJECT. THERE'S NOTHING THAT TELLS YOU TO GO BACK AND SOLICIT THEM. THEY HAVE TO THEY HAVE TO SEARCH YOU OUT EACH TIME. I GUESS IT'S PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER. YES. YEAH. IF WE'RE DOING LIKE RFP. YES. YES. SO GIVE ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BI BOARD AND QUOTING IN THE PAPER VERSUS GOING DIRECTLY TO A VENDOR. OKAY. SO WITH THE YEAH. SO WITH BUY BOARD BUY BOARD SORT OF A SO FOR A COMPANY TO WORK WITH, BUY BOARD OR BE A PART OF BUY BOARD. RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY OFFER, YOU KNOW, FAIR PRICING IN THAT SENSE. SO WHENEVER WE'RE GOING THROUGH BUY BOARD, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE JUMPED THROUGH THE HOOPS TO BECOME PART OF BUY BOARD. SO THAT KIND OF NEGATES OUR EFFORT TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET THREE QUOTES, RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY DONE. YES. ALL THAT LEGWORK HAS BEEN DONE. GO STRAIGHT TO BUY. BOARD STATE HAS DONE THAT. YES. AND SO WHEN COMPANIES WORK WITH BUY BOARD, YOU KNOW, IN A SENSE THAT MAKES OUR LIVES A LITTLE BIT EASIER, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND HUNT DOWN THREE QUOTES, BUT ONCE WE HIT THAT THRESHOLD, OVER 100,000, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NO BUY BOARD THAT EXISTS, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF SOMETHING'S OVER 100,000, WE COULD STILL USE BIBLE. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT IN A GENERAL SETTING WHERE BIBLE DOESN'T EXIST FOR THAT COMPANY OR POSSIBLY THAT SERVICE, BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS. AND IF IT'S OVER $100,000 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO LIKE AN RFP, YOU KNOW, OR IF IT'S SOME TYPE OF SERVICE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING SERVICES OR SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO RFQ AND SELECT THAT WAY LESS THAN 100,000. YOU CAN GO DIRECT. CORRECT. 100,000 BECAUSE IT'S 100,000 OR MORE. CORRECT. THAT'S OUR RFP. YES. THAT'S GOING THAT'S GOING OUT. YES. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TO YOU ALL. AND WE PRESENT IT AND WE HAVE OUR YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION AND ALL THAT. BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION ON WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SAID CONTRACTOR OR INDIVIDUAL. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF OUR WE DON'T KNOW. ALL OF THE COMPANIES INSIDE OF US KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF TRACKING THAT. THAT TAX. KEEP TRACK OF THAT SALES TAX PAID. KNOW YOU DIDN'T GET A LIST OF ALL THE REGISTERED SALES TAX. MAYBE IT'S NOT A REPORT THAT I GET. I MEAN, WE GET AN AGGREGATE FOR JUST REPORTING WHAT THE REPORTS THAT ARE SENT HERE, RIGHT. LIKE A TOP TEN, NOT A FULL LIST. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S. [02:15:09] I DON'T THINK THE REPORT THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT. SO I WANT TO DRIVE FOR A MINUTE. GO FOR IT. SO HERE'S I RECENTLY SAT DOWN WITH THE WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER THAT HAD A COMPLAINT AND HIS RESPONSE TO THIS, HIS RESPONSE WHEN I WHEN I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS THERE TO LISTEN TO HIS COMPLAINT WAS THAT HE PROVIDED. HE PROVIDES EXPEDITED SERVICES TO THE CITY AND HE FELT THAT WHEN HE SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL THAT THE THAT THE PROPOSAL HE SUBMITTED WAS NOT THERE WAS THERE WAS NOT CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE OTHER BIDS THAT WERE RECEIVED BY THE CITY AND THAT HIS BID WAS HIGHER BECAUSE IT INCLUDED THINGS THAT WERE BETTER FROM A PROJECT PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THAT I, I'M JUST I'M JUST ECHOING WHAT HE SAID. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THESE PROPOSALS. I PLAN TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM AND SEE IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE CASE. IF IT IS THE CASE. AND LET'S JUST ASSUME FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT THAT IT IS, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS WORK SCOPE CONTINUITY IN THESE THINGS. WE CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY COMING IN HERE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE BIDS, BUT THE THREE BIDS, BID PROPOSALS THAT ARE OFFERED ARE NOT EQUAL IN NATURE BASED ON SCOPE. AND SO I SEE THAT AS AS BEING A PROBLEM. AND THEN YOU BRING YOU BRING SOMEBODY IN TO DO WORK, AND THEN A SOMEBODY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED A KIND OF A PREFERRED VENDOR WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE HELPING WITH STUFF ON A REGULAR BASIS, MAYBE, OR MAYBE NOT. YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? CORRECT. BECAUSE THEN BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WHY AM I COMING OUT HERE AND WORKING ON A SATURDAY OR A SUNDAY WHEN WHEN I GET KICKED TO THE CURB ON THE, ON THE PROJECTS? YES. AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE, THE. RESPONSE THAT I HEARD. AGAIN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THIS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KEEP FROM HAPPENING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S FAIR AND EQUAL FOR EVERYBODY AND PEOPLE WHO ARE SERVING US IN A, IN A, IN A CAPACITY THAT THAT WE APPRECIATE ARE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY, AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE THOSE PROJECTS AND THAT REVENUE FOR THEIR BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY EXIST WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH THIS ONE DOES. YEP, I AGREE EVERYTHING SHOULD BE APPLES TO APPLES. AND YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST KIND OF ADD SOMETHING TO THAT. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHILE WE ARE OUR RESPECTIVE EXPERTS IN OUR FIELDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT BE EXPERTS IN EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO LIKE ME PERSONALLY, LIKE I'M NOT AN ELECTRICIAN. I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THAT. RIGHT? SO I, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOMEONE'S INPUT ON THAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, RIGHT? THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT SCOPE OF WORK AND SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY. BUT, YOU KNOW, OTHERS MAY COME IN AND SAY, WELL, MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO NECESSARILY JUST SAY, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I NEED DONE BECAUSE I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN ELECTRICIAN. RIGHT? SO SOMETIMES WE RUN INTO SOME SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AND WE JUST TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE WHAT IS RECOMMENDED AND JUST KIND OF CREATE A JOB SCOPE OUT OF THAT, RIGHT? AND THEN JUST TAKE THAT OUT AND SEND IT TO EVERYBODY. BUT SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT WE DO BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL HAVE SOMEBODY LOOK OVER SOMETHING AND CREATE A SCOPE OF SUPPLY, RIGHT? YES. AND THEN I'LL TAKE THAT COPY AND PASTE IT AND TELL IT. AND I'LL TELL THEM, HEY, I'M GOING TO USE YOUR WORK SCOPE TO FOR EVERYBODY TO BID OFF OF. AND THEN THAT'LL BE SENT, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR BUY IN ON THAT AND THEN SEND IT OUT. EVERYBODY BIDS THIS OUT THE SAME WAY, APPLES TO APPLES. AND WE MOVE ON ABOUT OUR BUSINESS. CORRECT. IF WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. YES. AND WE CAN'T TAKE A LOWER PROPOSAL FROM SOMEBODY WHO, WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME ITEMS INCLUDED IN THERE. YES. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS APPLES TO APPLES OR WE HAVE TO REJECT THAT PROPOSAL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE A PORTION OF THE WORK SCOPE. WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR A SUPPLIER TO I'M BETTER BECAUSE OF THIS AND THIS AND THIS, OR HE DOESN'T KNOW UNTIL HE'S REJECTED. HELP. HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. LIKE, I HAVE A BETTER PRODUCT, BUT YOU CHOSE SUPPLIER NUMBER. WELL, BUT THAT BUT THAT'S THAT'S THAT IS A, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THAT THESE THAT THESE THINGS NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR US TO REVIEW THOSE PROPOSALS BECAUSE WE [02:20:01] MAY DECIDE THAT EVEN THOUGH SOMEBODY IS HAS A LOWER PRICE, THAT THE SECOND TIER PROPOSAL IS THE ONE THAT BETTER SUITS THE NEEDS OF THE CITY. BUT IF THAT SUPPLIER WASN'T EVEN SOMEBODY THAT WAS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED, WELL, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED THEMSELVES. I MEAN. RIGHT? YEAH. YES. OVER 100,000. IT HASN'T COME IN YET. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE YOU ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER 100,000? NO, NO, NO. BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS AND THINGS THAT THAT EXIST BENEATH $100,000 THRESHOLD THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO REVIEW POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ITEMS BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE VENDORS THAT COME OUT OF HOUSTON TO ASSIST US WITH THINGS I KNOW THAT NEED EXISTS IN CERTAIN CASES, BUT. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, WE DO THIS WHOLE SHOP LOCAL THING AND TALK ABOUT GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY AND BUSINESS GROWTH. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN VENDORS THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE WE'RE GIVEN A FAIR, A FAIR SHAKE TO GET THE BUSINESS HERE, BECAUSE, I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT WHAT IT MAKES US LOOK BAD WHEN WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ANY OF THIS IS, IS MALICIOUS IN NATURE. I DON'T I THINK IT'S MORE I THINK IT'S MORE OVERSIGHT. AND THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS IN YOUR POSITION OR ANYBODY'S POSITION, THAT'S THAT'S HANDLING PROCUREMENT OF SERVICES, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE JOB DONE. SO IF SOMEBODY COMES RUNNING WITH A WITH A LOW PRICE THAT I THINK IS COMPETENT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, NAIL THAT DOWN. I'M ON TO THE NEXT THING, RIGHT? THAT'S TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 60 PILLS A WEEK AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, JUST IN OUR DEPARTMENT. SO. RIGHT. IT CAN GET HECTIC, YOU KNOW, I'M AND UNDERSTAND I'M NOT I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL AT ALL. YEAH. OH YEAH I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OH YEAH. OF COURSE. I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME PLACE WHERE WE HAVE A CENTRAL REPOSITORY. AND EVEN GIVING ME THESE VENDOR LISTS, THEY CLASSIFY. CAN YOU SORT OUT BY CLASSIFICATION AT ALL? NO, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HARD BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LIST OF VENDORS AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF SERVICES OR PRODUCTS THEY PROVIDE. WELL, WHOEVER SETS UP THE VENDOR, WHEN YOU GIVE THEM THE W-9 IS ALSO TELLING YOU WHAT KIND OF SERVICE. IS THIS CORRECT? BUT BUT THAT INFORMATION WE DON'T PARTICULARLY STORE ANYWHERE. RIGHT? IT'S AS GENERAL AS THIS IS A PUBLIC WORKS VENDOR OR THIS IS A VENDOR OR THIS IS A VENDOR, SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO. YEAH. IS THAT POSSIBLE WITHIN CODE? I MEAN, I COULD GO BACK IN AND GO REENTER EVERYTHING SHE SAYS. THESE ARE JUST PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS HAD, YOU KNOW, REIMBURSEMENT OF SOME SORT OR. IS THERE A WAY TO SORT OUT LAST TIME USED LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE 20 YEARS OLD JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE LIST? YEAH, I CAN SORT THEM OUT BY DATE, BUT I CAN'T SORT THEM OUT BY CATEGORY. RIGHT. BUT AT LEAST THEN YOU'D HAVE A SMALLER ONE. MAYBE IT WOULD BE MORE MANAGEABLE. TO PUT IT IN EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND ADD THE CATEGORY TO IT. WHAT IS. WHAT IS THE. WHAT IS THE POLICY? WHETHER IT'S ORDINANCE BASED, LEGAL? I'M NOT REALLY SURE ON ACTUALLY HAVING A LIST OF PREFERRED VENDORS FOR THE CITY THAT WE REACH OUT TO FIRST. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD YOU, I MEAN, YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. IT JUST YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE FOR ITEMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE, THE STATUTORY, UNDER THE STATUTORY LIMIT WHERE YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO GO OUT FOR BIDS. BECAUSE FOR THAT, YOU DO NEED TO YOU KNOW, PUT IN A PUBLIC BIDDING AND PUBLIC AUCTION AND, OR, OR AT LEAST HAVE THEM THEN BID THROUGH. AND WHILE YOU CAN CONSIDER WHETHER THEY'RE LOCAL AS THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO A CERTAIN PROJECT. YOU CAN'T GIVE A DEFINITE PREFERENCE TO THAT UNLESS IT IS, LIKE I SAID, BENEFICIAL TO THE PROJECT. WELL, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SAYING A PREFERENCE. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING WE CAN GO OUT AND POST THESE IN, IN THE IN THE PAPER, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN'T SEND SOMEBODY AN EMAIL AND GIVE THEM A CALL AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING. SO THEY MAKE SURE TO SEE IT, I'M SURE. I MEAN, AND THERE ARE ALSO SOMETIMES YOU CAN I MEAN, SOMETIMES THERE MIGHT BE A NEED TO JUST CALL AND SEE WHAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF THE PROJECT AND CALLING AROUND TO DIFFERENT VENDORS. [02:25:08] THAT'S MY MAIN DEAL IS JUST THE FOCUS ON THE ON THE SHOP LOCAL THING. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE BUSINESSES WITHIN OUR DOMAIN ARE AWARE THAT THE CITY IS, IS LOOKING TO SPEND MONEY ON A PROJECT AND GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUSY AS WELL. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY MAYBE THEY MISS AN OPPORTUNITY. AN OPPORTUNITY. WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO AT LEAST SEE IF THEY'RE A FIT FOR. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING AGAINST LETTING THEM MAKING THEM AWARE OF THE CITY LOOKING FOR OPTIONS. I THINK COUNCIL COUNCIL. YOU WANT US TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY? ABSOLUTELY. IF SOMEBODY IN ANGLETON IS OFFERING A PRODUCT AND I CAN GO TO HOUSTON AND GET THAT PRODUCT FOR SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED VALUE, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M GOING TO GO THERE. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I SO I THINK I THINK I LOOK AT THIS FROM FROM MY POSITION WHILE I'M NOT A CITY VENDOR I MEAN, I, I DONATE AND TAKE CARE OF MORE PEOPLE THAN THE AMERICAN RED CROSS. I MEAN, IT'S CONSTANT MONEY FOR BALL. IT'S CONSTANT MONEY FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS. THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING AND I'M HIT UP FOR, FOR THINGS ALL THE TIME THROUGH THROUGH THE COMPANY. AND IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WERE, IF I WAS, IF I WAS PUTTING MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY AND I WASN'T BEING CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOOK AT IT IN A SENSE WHERE I'M HIT UP TO, TO INVEST MY MONEY IN MY COMMUNITY, BUT MY COMMUNITY IS NOT COMING BACK TO ME AND MAKING ME AWARE OF OPPORTUNITIES TO ALLOW ME TO CONTINUE THAT RECIPROCAL RELATIONSHIP. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE GO WE GO AND HIT UP LOCAL BUSINESSES ALL THE TIME FOR THINGS. AND I DON'T MEAN WE SPECIFICALLY, BUT I MEAN CITIZENS OF, OF THE COMMUNITY AND. THIS IS THEIR MONEY. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EDUCATION TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DO BUSINESS IN OR WITH THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND HOST A WORKSHOP, MAKE SURE THAT THE BUSINESSES KNOW ONCE AGAIN, THEY DON'T KNOW YOU'RE DOING IT AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP FOR IT. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE'RE CONTACTING OUR BUSINESSES? YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE COUNCILMAN SARTIN SAID, WE WE TALK ABOUT WANTING TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO WE GET THERE? HOW DO WE FIND THEM? I THINK YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE A REQUEST TO THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE FOR ALL THE REGISTERED TAX BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. I'M PRETTY SURE YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON THAT. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START. IT GOT POINTED OUT TO ME. I'LL JUST MAKE YOU AWARE THAT WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT USING THE WATER BILLS, ALL THOSE THAT HAVE LEASES. BUSINESS DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EXISTING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO. THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE BUILDING AND MAINTAINING THE LEASE IS NOT THE BUSINESS THAT MIGHT BE IN THERE. SO THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA, I THINK, BUT IT WASN'T CONDUCIVE FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SMALL MOM AND POPS, THEY'RE LEASING SPACE, SO THEY DON'T KNOW IT GOES TO WHOEVER OWNS THE BUILDING. SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. AND I ALSO THINK THAT GIVING A WORKSHOP AND EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN, HEY, THE CITY, OVER $100,000 HAS TO GO OUT FOR BID. THEY HAVE TO PUBLISH IT. THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE. ANYTHING UNDER 100,000, WE CAN DO THE BUY BOARD, OR WE CAN GET THREE QUOTES FROM LOCAL VENDORS IF WE NEED TO. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE. BUT ON TOP OF THAT, SOME TYPE OF PLACE WHERE WE KNOW WHAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE A CENTRALIZED DIRECTORY WITHIN THE CITY. CORRECT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY TO ME THIS IS AN I T ACTION ITEM WHEREVER JASON'S AT. THIS. IS BECAUSE YOU CAN CREATE A PORTAL ON THE WEBSITE THAT ALLOWS A VENDOR TO GO REGISTER WITH THE CITY AND KEEPS IT IN A CENTRAL REPOSITORY PLACE THAT STAFF CAN GO EASILY FIND. I MEAN, WE CAN'T DO ALL THE WORK FOR THEM, BUT WE CAN GIVE THEM A PLACE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THERE. SO IF WE CREATED SOME TYPE OF ONLINE PORTAL PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO IN AND PUT THEIR STUFF IN, IT COULD BE AS EASY AS A GOOGLE SHEET, HONESTLY. [02:30:02] AND YOU FILL OUT THE PERTINENT INFORMATION AND IT GOES OUT THERE AND THEY TELL YOU THE CLASSIFICATION THAT THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY'RE DOING. IT'S THERE. NOW YOU HAVE A PLACE TO GO FIND THIS, AND IT GIVES THEM SOME WORK TO DO. IF THEY WANT TO BE BUSINESS, THEY WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. THEY'LL GO AND DO THAT. BUT THEN WE IT'S ON US TO USE THAT FILE AND THAT SYSTEM TO FIND THEM. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, CHIEF, THAT IF THERE ARE FIVE TIMES, TEN TIMES MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD GO GET OUT OF HOUSTON, THERE'S PROBABLY A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT THERE. IF THEY'RE SLIGHTLY HIGHER, 2%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT BACK IN SALES TAX AND PAYROLL TAX AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES HERE INSIDE THE CITY. THEY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT'S MULTIPLIED BY A LOT MORE WHENEVER THAT PERSON'S WORKING HERE, INVESTING HERE, YOU KNOW, SPONSORING KIDS HERE, GET THAT MONEY BACK. SO STEWARDSHIP IS IMPORTANT. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE, BUT LET'S BE CAREFUL WITH HOW FAR WE GO ON THAT. SO SO LET'S NOT REINVENT THE WHEEL AND JUST LET ME START CONTACTING MY COUNTY PURCHASING AND DIFFERENT CITIES TO SEE HOW THEY DO IT AND THEN MAYBE BRING THAT MODEL BACK. THE COUNTY DOES IT, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO SEE HOW WE MODEL THAT. BUT I HONESTLY THINK THAT CREATING A PORTAL ON THE WEBSITE AND GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DO THE WORK THAT'S NOT ON US, THAT'S ON THEM. THEY WANT TO BE A, THEY WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH US. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO FILL THAT OUT. YEAH. IT'S JUST A, JUST A FORM THAT WOULD BE I WOULD THINK THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. I MEAN, WE'VE DONE THAT AT OUR OFFICE AND OUR MARKETING DEPARTMENT DOES THAT. SO YEAH, WE COULD PUSH THAT OUT AS PART OF OUR CAMPAIGN TOO. AND YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SET OF PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU'RE USING MARKETING, WHICH IS ANOTHER IDEA I HAVE OF THE MARKET DAYS. WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO MARKET DAYS TWICE A YEAR, WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GO SHOP AT MARKET DAYS. THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY LOCAL VENDORS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE. SOMETIMES IT TAKES AWAY FROM OUR LOCAL OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO WE ADVERTISE A LOT FOR MARKETING OR FOR MARKET DAYS AND COME SEE THESE VENDORS AND NOTHING IS GREAT. I LIKE MARKET DAYS AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE, BUT WE CAN ALSO LEVERAGE MARKET DAYS TO HELP US ON THE BACKSIDE WITH OUR LOCAL VENDORS. WE CAN PUT UP, YOU KNOW. ADVERTISEMENTS AND SAY, HEY, WHILE YOU'RE HERE SHOPPING, IT'S GREAT, BUT JUST KNOW WHEN THE SHOW IS OVER. THERE'S THESE BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR BUSINESS LISTING AND HAVE THEM BY THE BACK DOOR, BY THE DOORS WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING AND SAY, DON'T FORGET ABOUT THESE PEOPLE HERE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME SHOP WITH THEM AS WELL. AND THEN I ALSO THINK THAT SPOTLIGHTING OUR BUSINESSES IS IMPORTANT. SO IF WE CAN CREATE SOME TYPE OF SPOTLIGHT ON OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AS WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP OUR CAMPAIGN. THE CAMPAIGN ALREADY THINKING AHEAD. I THINK WE CAN USE MARKET DAYS AS WELL TO ADVERTISE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING OUT SAYING, HEY, GO TO X, Y, AND Z AND SUPPORT THEM. BUT WE'RE SAYING, HERE'S A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES HERE IN TOWN THAT WOULD. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. I'LL USE MARKET DAYS AS AN EXAMPLE. WE CAN TRACK WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING. AND SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LIKE US AND THEY'RE GOING TO WALMART AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET GAS AND THEY'RE GOING DOWNTOWN OR WHATEVER. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME, ESPECIALLY FROM OUT OF TOWN, IF YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU TYPICALLY ARE GOING TO EXPLORE THE AREA OR DO SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST. ALRIGHTY. GOOD. GOOD. BARBARA. ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T THINK SO. SORRY. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT JUMPED UP THERE, BUT, I MEAN, IT GOES FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP, SO. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR TAKING A VOTE ON THAT ONE. I REPRESENT IT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. BACK TO FIVE. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON FINDINGS CONTAINED IN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DESIGN REVIEW AND THEIR ASSOCIATED RECOMMENDATIONS. SORRY FOR MAKING YOU WAIT SO LONG. [5. Discussion and possible action on findings contained in the Wastewater Treatment Plant Design Review and their associated recommendations.] A LOT ABOUT DATA CENTERS AND ROUNDABOUTS. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. PREVIOUSLY, HDR WAS PUT UNDER CONTRACT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DESIGN REVIEW FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OVER AT THE OYSTER CREEK TREATMENT [02:35:01] PLANT. WITH ME TONIGHT IS CHRIS MALINOWSKI. A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON MR. MALINOWSKI. MR. MALINOWSKI IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. AND HE ACTUALLY WALKS BOTH WORLDS. HE IS ACTUALLY A LICENSED WATER AND WASTEWATER OPERATOR. SO WHAT CHRIS DOES UNIQUELY DIFFERENT THAN MOST PEOPLE, HE DOESN'T JUST LOOK AND SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY ON CAPITAL PROJECTS. HE ALSO TAKES A LOOK AT THE PROCESSES AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO FINE TUNE THE PROCESS TO SAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE. SO WITH THAT, CHRIS HAS PUT TOGETHER A REPORT. WE GOT A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, CHRIS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL CHRIS MALINOWSKI HDR. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME INITIAL FINDINGS THAT THAT WE CAME UP WITH. AND WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF CAPITAL PROJECTS AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, WE DID A CONDITION ASSESSMENT AT THE WASTEWATER PLANT AND CAME UP WITH A MYRIAD, A MYRIAD OF PRIORITIZED PROJECTS. AND THE CITY'S BEEN LOOKING AT SEVERAL OF THEM OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU CAN SEE THEM ON ON THE SCREEN THERE. THERE'S THERE'S AN EXPANSION OF THE WATER REUSE SYSTEM. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT HAS TO DO WITH AERATING THE BUGS. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE GOOD BUGS EARLIER, THE BLOWERS TO PROVIDE THAT THAT AIR, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE CAPACITY, THE THE CONDITION OF THOSE. AND THE BIG TICKET ITEM IS A NEW BLOWER BUILDING. I'LL GET INTO THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT. AT THE END. CAME UP WITH A PRELIMINARY OPINION OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST. SO LET'S START WITH THE SMALL SIMPLE PROJECT. FIRST THE WATER REUSE. RIGHT NOW THE WASTEWATER PLANT IS THE CITY'S LARGEST POTABLE WATER USER IN THE CITY. AND THAT'S DESPITE THE FACT THEY'RE ALREADY USING IT FOR THE CHLORINATION DECHLORINATION PROCESS. THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS. IT WORKS VERY, VERY WELL. BUT THE GOAL IS TO EXPAND THAT FOR ALL THE SPRAY DOWN THAT THEY DO AT THE PLANT AROUND THE CLOCK. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY COMMON AT WASTEWATER PLANTS. AND SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT IMPACTING THE POTABLE USES LIKE BATHROOMS, EYEWASHES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE LOOK THROUGH THAT. THIS IS THE SIMPLEST ONE. THE RECOMMENDATION IS PUT IN A SECOND REUSE PUMP, KIND OF LIKE THE ONE, THE EXISTING ONE YOU SEE THERE AND DO SOME STRATEGIC REROUTING WITH THE ABOVE GROUND PIPING. VERY SIMPLE, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THEN WE GET TO THE AERATION DIFFUSERS. THESE ARE WHAT CREATE THE BUBBLES AND GIVE AIR TO THE GOOD BUGS AND THE WASTEWATER PLANT. YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE TWO AERATION BASINS RIGHT THERE. WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE THERE, COMPARED THAT TO WHAT THE CITY HAD DONE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO. THEY REPLACED THE EXISTING DIFFUSERS. THEY HAD BASICALLY, THINK OF IT, A BUNCH OF TUBES WITH A MEMBRANE OR A SOCK AROUND IT IS WHAT'S THERE NOW. THEY REPLACED THOSE IN KIND. THEY CONTINUE TO BE SOME SOME ISSUES THROUGH NO ONE'S NO ONE'S FAULT. AND SO WE LOOKED AT A BETTER SYSTEM. AND REALLY, WHAT IS THE MOST COMMON ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS WHAT THEY CALL A MEMBRANE DISK DIFFUSION. A BUNCH OF LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF FRISBEES ON THE BOTTOM OF THE OF THE BASIN. YOU BLOW AIR THROUGH THEM. IT'S A RUBBER MEMBRANE ON TOP. YOU GET A LOT BETTER COVERAGE, A LOT BETTER OXYGEN TRANSFER EFFICIENCY THROUGH THOSE. AND SO WE WE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ON THOSE. BUT THE KEY IS TO TIE THOSE TO THE VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVES ON THE BLOWERS TO GET ENERGY EFFICIENCY. YOU CAN TARGET A DISSOLVED OXYGEN LEVEL. WHAT YOU WANT. THE BLOWERS WILL SPEED UP SLOW DOWN TO MAINTAIN THAT YOU DON'T OVER AERATE EVERYTHING. SO THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS TO THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER BENEFIT IS NOT THERE'S NOT THAT ABILITY OR POSSIBILITY TO BLOW OUT THOSE MEMBRANES. WHAT'S HAPPENED IS OPERATORS HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THEY'RE OVER AERATING, PUSHING TOO MUCH AIR BECAUSE, HEY, I GOT A I GOT A PROBLEM. I NEED MORE AIR. JUST KEEP MORE AIR, MORE AIR. AND THEN THOSE MEMBRANES WILL JUST POP LIKE A BALLOON. AND THEN IT GETS TO BE A MESS. THAT'S WHY THE REPLACEMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE TO PUT SOME FLOW METERS ON THERE AND GIVE THE OPERATORS A LOT BETTER CONTROL OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WITH THAT, WE LOOKED AT THE BLOWERS. WE LOOKED AT THE CONDITION OF THE BLOWERS INITIALLY THREE YEARS AGO. BUT YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM AN AIR REQUIREMENT STANDPOINT AND A CONDITION STANDPOINT, AIR REQUIREMENTS. I TALKED ABOUT THE, THE FINE BUBBLE DIFFUSERS WITH THE DISKS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BASINS, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER MISCELLANEOUS USES AROUND, AROUND THE PLANT. WE LOOKED AT ALL THAT AND THEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE EXISTING BLOWERS CAN DO. THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU GOT FOUR BLOWERS. YOU GOT ENOUGH BLOWER CAPACITY TO RUN TO RUN THE WHOLE PLANT WITH THREE BLOWERS, [02:40:01] PLUS ONE WITH BEING A BACKUP ON THAT. WE LOOKED AT THE BLOWER CONDITION ALSO THE CITY HAS PUT A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF EFFORT INTO UPGRADING AND REPLACING BLOWERS AND THEIR MOTORS OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO. SO THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD SHAPE BLOWER AND A MOTOR WILL USUALLY LAST 30 YEARS. SO THE MOST OF THOSE BLOWERS HAVE OVER HALF OF THEIR ORIGINAL 30 LIFE EXPECTANCY LEFT. SO THE RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE USING THOSE BLOWERS. NOW THE BLOWER BUILDING, IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THAT THAT LITTLE GRAY BUILDING ON THE RIGHT IS THE BLOWER BUILDING. I COULD NOT FIND A DATE. IT WAS BUILT. I HAVE PLANS TO GO BACK TO 1980 AND IT SAID EXISTING BLOWER BUILDING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FROM THE 70S. IT'S IT'S PROBABLY OVER 50 YEARS OLD FOR ITS AGE. IT'S NOT IN BAD SHAPE, BUT WHAT THE MAIN ISSUE IS, IS WHAT'S BELOW THAT LOWER BUILDING. THE INFLUENT LIFT STATION WHERE ALL THE WASTEWATER COMES INTO THE PLANT, HAS A WET WELL BELOW GROUND ADJACENT TO THAT PART OF IT'S UNDERNEATH IT, BUT MOST OF IT'S ADJACENT. IT'S IN HORRENDOUS SHAPE. AND SO THE FEAR IS JUST THE VIBRATION FROM THE BLOWERS ARE GOING TO CAUSE THAT BUILDING TO COLLAPSE IN ON THAT THAT WET WELL. SO WE LOOKED AT THREE OPTIONS ON THIS. ONE WAS PLACE THE BLOWERS ON THE ROOF OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE THE VIBRATION THE PROBABILITY OF COLLAPSE UNDER THAT WET WELL, WE LOOKED AT BUILDING KIND OF A LEVITATED SUPERSTRUCTURE AROUND THERE AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING. SAME ISSUE WITH THAT. THAT WENT WELL. SO REALLY WHAT WHAT WE RECOMMEND. YOU CAN SEE IN THAT, THAT WHITE GRAPHIC THERE IS A NEW ELEVATED BLOWER BUILDING NEXT TO THE AERATION BASIN. AERATION BASINS TO THE LEFT. YOU GET IT UP OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. EVEN THOUGH YOU DO HAVE A LEVEE AROUND THERE, THERE IS WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT EXPENSIVE ELECTRICAL GEAR, MECHANICAL GEAR GETTING FLOODED. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENS DURING A HURRICANE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF I AND I AS WELL. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO FOR THAT. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE PRELIMINARY INITIAL OPINIONS OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. I CALL IT OPC. SEE ALL THE DIFFUSERS AND ALL THAT YOU CAN SEE IS JUST ABOUT $870,000. WE DID GET QUOTES, PRELIMINARY QUOTES FROM THE VENDORS ON THAT. THE I DO HAVE A TYPE ONE AND THE SECOND ONE SHOULD BE THE REUSE SYSTEM. IT SAYS ERROR RATES. ARE THOSE BACKWARDS ACTUALLY. SO FLIP FLOP THOSE. THE REUSE SYSTEM IS $55,000. AERATION DIFFUSERS AND HEADER 869. BUT THE BLOWER BUILDING AND BLOWER RELOCATION CAME IN UNEXPECTEDLY HIGH. AND LET ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ABOUT THAT. WE, WE DID NOT WANT TO TRUST GOING TO A LOCAL CONTRACTOR TO SAY, GIVE ME, WHEN DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO COST? WE WANTED TO KIND OF BUILD IT UP FROM SCRATCH. SO WE HAVE A GROUP OF, OF PROFESSIONAL COST ESTIMATORS WE USE AND THEY DEVELOPED. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I THINK IT'S GOT SOME INFORMATION THERE. THAT'S JUST ONE OF ABOUT 50 SHEETS THAT ARE IN THE REPORT. THEY WENT THROUGH AND CALCULATED QUANTITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND CAME UP WITH A DIRECT COST NUMBER, WHICH IS THE TOP LINE. YOU SEE DIRECT COST, BUT THEY ALSO PUT IN DIRECT COSTS. ON TOP OF THAT, AN ADDITIONAL 89% IS WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. THERE'S SALES TAX, THERE'S DESIGN DEVELOPMENT CONTINGENCY OF 30% ESCALATING FACTOR TO CONVERT TO $2,028. THERE'S THIS MARKET VOLATILITY ADJUSTMENT FACTORS THAT ONE THEY USE THIS ALL THE TIME. BUT THAT COVERS SUCH THINGS AS YOU KNOW AFTER COVID YOU KNOW THERE'S SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. THEY EVEN PUT IN, YOU KNOW, THE INVASION OF UKRAINE AND IRAN. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF MISCELLANEOUS THINGS THAT REALLY THROW A LOT OF STRANGE THINGS INTO PRICING OF EQUIPMENT THESE DAYS. AND THEN THEY ALSO JUST THREW IN 12% ELECTRICAL, 6% INSTRUMENTATION, BECAUSE THAT WAS TOO HARD TO TO ESTIMATE AT THIS PRELIMINARY STAGE. SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT'S THAT'S BUILT UP. THE BOTTOM OF THAT BIG TABLE SAYS $2.2 MILLION. THAT'S THE DIRECT COST THEY CAME UP WITH. BUT LET ME FOCUS YOU ON TWO OF THOSE NUMBERS THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND INVESTIGATE THAT THIRD NUMBER THERE, THE CRANE AND THE OPERATOR. THE DIRECT COST THEY HAD WAS $942,000 FOR FIVE MONTHS OF CRANE. [02:45:05] THAT SEEMS PRETTY DARN HIGH. IN FACT, I KNOW IT'S HIGH. ONCE YOU PUT ON THE 89%. ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S ABOUT 1.7 MILLION. IT'S ALMOST HALF OF THE COST THAT THEY CAME UP WITH. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS BRIDGE CRANE 154,000, WHICH CONVERTS WITH 89% JUST AROUND $300,000. WHAT THAT IS, IS KIND OF A BRIDGE CARRYING TO MOVE THE BLOWERS AROUND IN THAT BUILT ELEVATED BUILDING IF YOU GOT TO TAKE IT OUT FOR REPAIR. BUT HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE TO DO THAT? I THINK WE CAN REDUCE THAT BY JUST BUILDING REMOVABLE PANELS IN THE CEILING. LYING IN THE ROOF AND GET A CRANE AND PICK THEM UP AS WE NEED TO IN THE FUTURE. BUT THIS WAS A STARTING POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. THESE THINGS REALLY NEED TO BE BUILT RIGHT HERE. I'M SORRY. THESE THESE THINGS REALLY NEED TO BE BUILT TO BE MAINTENANCED, CORRECT. I MEAN, BECAUSE THEN THEN YOU'RE BACK OUT THERE WITH ANOTHER, YOU KNOW WHAT, 15 TON, 20 TON CRANE, IT'S BOOMING OUT TO PULL THOSE THINGS OUT OF THE ROOF. AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THE COSTS EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TO MAINTENANCE THEM DEALING WITH THAT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A BRIDGE CRANE, BUT I MEAN, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A TROLLEY SYSTEM THAT WILL EXTEND OFF THE DECK WHERE YOU WHERE YOU PULL THE RAILING AND RUN IT OFF AND DROP DROP A BLOWER OR A MOTOR DOWN. I MEAN, THIS, THIS, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME. YEAH. WHETHER IT'S A BRIDGE CRANE OR SOME KIND OF TROLLEY SYSTEM. PUT THAT IN THERE. I MEAN, THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT WHEN I GOT THE $4 MILLION COST NUMBER FOR THIS. I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I SAW. I'M ALREADY SEEING I'M THINKING THE SAME THING. YEAH. SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT IS PEOPLE PUT STUFF IN AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AROUND AND YOU'RE LIKE, MAN, I'M REALLY GLAD THEY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO WORK ON THIS. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE HAVE A BASELINE COST WITH BASELINE VOLUMES, QUANTITIES. SO WE'VE, WE'VE PUT THAT OUT TO A LOCAL CONTRACTOR TO SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH. WE DIDN'T TELL THEM THE UNIT PRICES. WE DIDN'T TELL THEM THE PRICE FOR EACH LINE. WE GAVE THEM THE QUANTITY. SO WE COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. AND WE EXPECT TO GET THAT BACK HERE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO AND SEE WHAT WE GOT. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE THE FOUR MAIN AREAS WHERE I THINK THERE'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS. ONE IS THAT CRANE RENTAL I TALKED ABOUT, NOT THE CRANE, THE BRIDGE CRANE, BUT THE CRANE. THE FIVE MONTHS THAT IT'S 1.7, $1.8 MILLION. THAT'S GOT TO BE LOWER. BRIDGE CRANE. WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT, THAT COST ESTIMATE, WHETHER WE'D GET RID OF IT OR NOT TO BE DEBATED. AND THAT WILL HAPPEN DURING THE DESIGN PHASE, THE SALES TAX THEY PUT IN SALES TAX. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU GUYS ARE EXEMPT. SO THAT'S A NO BRAINER RIGHT THERE. THERE'S $345,000. AND THEN I WANT TO DIG IN MORE TO THIS 15% MARKET VOLATILITY ADJUSTMENT FACTOR. WE ALREADY HAVE 30% CONTINGENCY IN THERE. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OVERKILL. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT THESE GUYS THAT DID THIS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU REVIEWED THEIR WORK COMPARED TO WHAT THEY QUOTED LAST TIME? SEE HOW FAR OFF THEY WERE? I PERSONALLY HAVE THAT. THESE ARE NATIONAL RESOURCES TO HDR. I'VE ONLY HEARD GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS I LOOKED. SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THEM. BUT IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING, THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. SO WHEN I SAW THIS, I WAS LIKE, SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP. YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T WHAT WE EXPECTED. NOT NOT JUST WHAT YOU EXPECTED, BUT WHAT I EXPECTED, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT COMMON SENSE. BUT I CAN'T ARGUE WITH THE NATIONAL EXPERTS UNTIL I GET SOMETHING BACK FROM A LOCAL CONTRACTOR. THE CONTRACTOR I KNOW THEY'VE DONE TWO JOBS FOR US ALREADY AT OTHER AREAS. THEY'RE THEY'RE GOOD CONTRACTORS. THEY DO GOOD WORK. THEY'RE LOCAL TO ANGLETON OR AT LEAST THE PRESIDENT IS, HE LIVES IN DANBURY. AND HE SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO BID ON THIS WHEN WE GET IT READY TO GO. SO HE'S GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND TAKE A LOOK. BUT WHAT WHEN WE SAW THIS, WE AUTOMATICALLY STARTED QUESTIONING AND GOING THROUGH AND BREAKING DOWN ALL THIS STUFF OF HOW THIS WENT THROUGH. I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO KNOCK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 800 900,000 OFF. MY PERSONAL OPINION BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT UNTIL I GET THE, THE CONTRACTOR TO GIVE ME SOMETHING BACK. [02:50:01] BUT WE DO USE THESE EXPERTS. THEY, THEY DO A LOT OF OUR DESIGN, BUILD, BID, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY'VE GOT, THEY DO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE, BUT THEY'RE USING NATIONAL RESOURCES. THEY'RE NOT USING LOCAL RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO. WHAT WHICH IS THE ISSUE, RIGHT? HOUSTON AREA IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE NEW YORK AREA OR THE LA AREA. CORRECT. THESE GUYS EXPERTS ARE USUALLY, WELL, EVEN IN VOLATILE TIMES. I DON'T SEE THOSE KINDS OF PERCENTAGES ON OUR PRODUCTS. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, JOHN DOESN'T AND MINE ARE MORE. MINE ARE MORE MECHANICALLY RELATED AND ROTATING EQUIPMENT THAN HIS ARE. I MEAN, IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY STAGE TO AS YOU GET DESIGN GOING, THOSE PERCENTAGES, THOSE THOSE CONTINGENCIES ARE WOUND DOWN LIKE THAT AS WELL. THIS IS VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY AT THIS POINT. SO YES, WE DO. I DO HAVE A CALL IN TO TO A LOCAL FIRM THAT WILL BID THE PROJECT TO GIVE US SOME BUDGETING NUMBERS. AND AS SOON AS I SAW THESE NUMBERS AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WENT THROUGH IT, I WAS LIKE, I HAD I KNOW Y'ALL WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO I WENT AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET NUMBERS BACK AS SOON AS I CAN FROM THE LOCAL CONTRACTOR. BUT I FEEL THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. PRETTY HIGH. NOT TO DIVULGE TOO MUCH, BUT GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC, HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT GUY THAT'S IN DANBURY THAT. I KNOW HIM BECAUSE HE BID ON A PROJECT OVER AT MEADOW'S PLACE. WE HAD A WE HAD A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT REHABILITATION. I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HIM FROM DANBURY. I KNOW HIM FROM WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WORK HE'S DONE FOR ME. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO UNDERSTANDING HOW YOU KNOW ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. YEAH. THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. SO RECOMMENDATIONS ONE ON THE BRUCE CRANE ALREADY. SO YEAH, LET ME ASK YOU ON THIS. IS IT NECESSARY TO RAISE THIS BUILDING UP TO THAT LEVEL THAT YOU HAD UP THERE? WHY CAN'T. THAT'S JUST ABOVE THE LEVY RIGHT AT EYE LEVEL. SO RAISING IT TO THE LEVY LEVEL. SO YOU, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO RAISE YOUR CRITICAL FACILITIES OVER THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN OR I THINK IT'S A 500 YEAR NOW, ACTUALLY TEMPORARILY AS THAT CURRENT BUILDING EVER FLOODED. THEY SANDBAG THAT BUILDING ALL THE TIME. YES, ALL THE TIME AS IT HAS BEFORE. NOW CURRENTLY WE HAVE LIKE STORM WATER PUMP SYSTEM THERE THAT WE'VE KIND OF REHABILITATED. SO IT'S MUCH BETTER CONDITION THAN IT EVER WAS. BUT TO SAY IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN, A LOT OF THE ISSUE IS, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO A LOT INTO IT WITH THE PUBLIC IS THE I AND I AND THE COLLECTION SYSTEM. WHEN IT COMES AND HITS THE PLANT. IT BUBBLES OUT AT THE LIFT STATIONS. AT THE LIFT STATIONS, BUT NOT AT THE PLANT IN THE IN THE MAIN LIFT STATION. I THOUGHT WE USED THAT OTHER AERATOR FOR THE EXTRA. THAT'S. IF YOU CAN GET IT UP FAST ENOUGH. YOU HAVE SO MUCH. I ANY WITH YOUR SANITARY SEWER. I'M NOT SURPRISED TO SEE THIS THING ELEVATED. THAT IS PRETTY COMMONPLACE. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO THAT EVERYWHERE. YOU'LL EVEN SEE IT IN, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF POWER SUBSTATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ARE, ARE SOME OF THAT STUFF'S BEING WITH SWITCHGEAR BEING ELEVATED. YEAH. HERE'S A GOOD THING. LOOK, LOOK AT YOUR, LOOK AT YOUR GENERATOR THAT YOU GOT OUT THERE, HOW ELEVATED IT IS. IT'S A CRITICAL FACILITY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR. WHEN YOU'RE MOVING THE BLOWERS FROM THE OLD BUILDING TO THE NEW BUILDING. YES, MA'AM. I'VE GOT SOME PHOTOS OF THE BEING SANDBAGGED AND WATER JUST ROLLING OUT OF THE LIFT STATIONS AND PONDING EVERYWHERE. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET A BIG RAIN EVENT. HOW HAS THE DECK ON THAT PLATFORM GOING TO BE ON THE BLOWER BUILDING? ROUGHLY 12FT, 12, 14FT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND THE COMPANY THAT I'M GETTING THESE QUOTES FROM, THEY ACTUALLY DID A PROJECT EXACTLY LIKE THIS FOR THE CITY OF BAYTOWN TO WHERE THEY ELEVATED IT, PUT A BUILDING IN, REMOVED THE BLOWERS, EXISTING BLOWERS, [02:55:07] ONE AT A TIME, AND KEPT THE PLANT OPERATIONAL ALL THE TIME. SO HE SHOULD HAVE SOME GOOD KNOWLEDGE. GOOD NUMBERS. WE'LL REPORT BACK. WE APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL PUT TOGETHER. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE ARE GOING SO QUICKLY. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL PROGRAM PLANNING AND DEMONSTRATION GRANT. [8. Discussion and possible action regarding Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A) Program Planning and Demonstration Grant.] I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY PULL THAT AGENDA ITEM. MAYOR. YEAH. I MEAN, CAN I EXPLAIN OR DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN WHY OR. OKAY. SO WHAT I FOUND OUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ORIGINALLY WHAT I FOUND OUT WAS THAT THE SAFE STREETS FOR. ALL RIGHT, IT ENDS IN 2026. SO THAT'S THE FINAL YEAR THAT THE I THINK IT WAS THE JOB INFRASTRUCTURE ACT. THAT'S WHEN THAT FUNDING ENDS FOR THAT. SO WE CAN GET IN AND GET THE ACTION PLAN COMPLETED. BUT AND, YOU KNOW, I ANSWERED ALL THE REST OF EVERYONE'S QUESTION. TRAVIS HAD A FEW QUESTIONS. I BELIEVE THERE WERE A FEW QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. I HAD ANSWERED ALL THOSE. BUT THE QUESTION I HAD WAS, WELL, IF THAT SAFE STREETS FOR ALL FUNDING POOL IS GONE, WELL, WHAT'S THE REST OF IT? WHAT WHAT OTHER KIND OF FUNDING SOURCE CAN BE USED? IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GO WITH THIS ACTION PLAN. THE ANSWER IS THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ACTION PLAN TO GET THOSE FUNDING SOURCES. SO MY THOUGHT WAS WHY, IF WE HAVE TO MATCH, WHY DO THAT? IF ANY OF THE REMAINING FUNDING SOURCES, WE CAN ACTUALLY GET IN WITHOUT HAVING AN ACTION PLAN, RIGHT? AND THERE WAS NO CLEAR ANSWER ON WHETHER THIS SAFE STREETS FOR ALL WAS EVER GOING TO CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IT ENDS AT THE END OF 26. AND THAT'S IT. SO WE I MEAN, WE'LL GET IN AND WE'LL GET AN ACTION PLAN DONE. BUT THE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON WHETHER WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET ANY IMPLEMENTATION PROJECTS COMPLETED. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO PULL IT. I JUST GOT THAT ANSWER TODAY. SO BUT THAT'S WHY. ITEM NUMBER NINE DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING JANITORIAL SERVICE OPTIONS RELATED TO RFP 2026-02 FOR CITY FACILITIES. [9. Discussion and possible action regarding janitorial service options related to RFP 2026 02 for City facilities.] ANNEX PRINTER DOES NOT HAVE A LARGE SIZES, SO COME UP HERE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BEFORE YOU I DID PASS OUT THE, THE SCORING SHEET THAT WE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH AND DID THE RFP. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS IS RELATED TO THE JANITORIAL RFP THAT WE PUT OUT FOR THE CITY TO RELOOK AT THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE THROUGH AMBASSADOR SERVICES AND EXPLORE HOW WE CAN INCREASE THE CAPACITY AS WELL AS BETTER SERVICE OUR FACILITIES. SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH BACK AND FORTH STAFFING, AS I MENTIONED, WE DID HAVE EVALUATIONS DONE ON THIS RFP. WE RECEIVED 11 VENDORS THAT SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS FOR THIS. SO YOU'LL SEE THE RANKING THAT'S CORRELATED WITH THAT. ONCE WE WENT DOWN FOR STAFF WISE, AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEM AS FAR AS THE SCORING GOES BUT AS FAR AS THE VENDORS THAT WE RECEIVED, WE CATEGORIZE THOSE INTO OUR TOP THREE. AS FAR AS WHAT WE LOOKED AT AS FAR AS THE EVALUATION SCORE THEY RECEIVED YOU WILL NOTICE THAT SOME OF THE TRENDS THAT ALIGN WITH THEIR EVALUATION SCORES, AS WELL AS THE COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. I MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO DISCUSS SOME OPTIONS OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FOR SERVICES MOVING FORWARD FOR THE CITY. RECOMMENDATION WAS TO BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON OUR CURRENT SERVICES AND OPTIONS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO EXPLORE MOVING FORWARD. SO WE IDENTIFIED TWO SPECIFIC OPTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO LOOK FOR FURTHER DIRECTION ON. WITH THOSE THERE ARE OPTION A WOULD BE TO DO CONTRACT FOR JANITORIAL SERVICES. AGAIN, AS I TALKED ABOUT, YOU'LL SEE THE TOP THREE THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THERE. ONCE YOU GOT PAST THE TOP THREE OR REALLY THE TOP FIVE, THE SCORES REALLY STARTED TO DROP. AND WHO'S THE CONTRACTOR NOW? AMBASSADOR SERVICES. THEY DID REBID THEIRS AS WELL. SO YOU WILL SEE THAT THEIR CONTRACT PRICE ACTUALLY IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT. [03:00:03] WHICH KIND OF TALKS ABOUT WHERE OUR CURRENT SERVICE IS AT. BUT IN YOUR PACKET THERE, YOU ALSO SEE THE TOP THREE RATED VENDORS. ONE I WILL POINT OUT IS UNITED'S SERVICES ASSOCIATES, THEIR 80 SCORE THAT THEY DID RECEIVE, THEY DID WERE THE ONLY VET HUB THAT RECEIVED POINTS FOR THAT. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A TEN POINT AWARD THAT THEY GET FOR BEING A VET HUB. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE EVALUATION CRITERIA. IF WE GO BACK UP TO THE FIRST PAGE, I'LL POINT THIS OUT AS WELL. I WANTED TO BREAK DOWN THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR YOU TO GET AN IDEA OF WHEN WE EXPLORE OPTIONS, WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS LOOKING AT CURRENT FUNDING OPTIONS AND WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL, CITY HALL, POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND THE ANNEX LEASE SIDE ARE ALL PART OF OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY ITEMS UNDER OUR CURRENT CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY FUND THROUGH GENERAL FUND, WHICH COMES OUT OF A MAJORITY OF THOSE COME OUT OF THE MAINTENANCE FUNDS. AND THEN A PORTION OF THAT COMES OUT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SUPPORT THOSE. THE REC CENTER DOES HAVE A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY THAT DID BID ON THE FULL CONTRACT THAT IS FULLY COMES OUT OF ABLC FOR THE REC CENTER COST. AND THEN WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE A PARKS CUSTODIAN, WHICH WILL MAKE SENSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE IN HOUSE PROJECT. BUT SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS THE CONTRACT SERVICE IS OBVIOUSLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT FUNDING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCORES AND HOW THOSE ARE RANKED, THERE ARE DEFINITELY A LOT HIGHER THAN WE REALLY DID ANTICIPATE FOR SOME OF THOSE COSTS TO COME IN. BUT AS YOU LOOK AT BREAK DOWN WHAT THE PROJECTED FOR SERVICES, THE NUMBER OF HOURS, THE HOURS IT WOULD TAKE FOR EACH OF THOSE, THEY REALLY WERE ALL FAIRLY COMPARABLE IN THEIR COST. THEY REALLY MORE CAME TO WHAT THEY FELT LIKE THE SERVICE WOULD TAKE TO COMPLETE THE WORK. AND SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, WE PUT THE TOP THREE IN THERE. SOME OF THE PROS TO LOOKING AT A CONTRACT IS IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE MANAGING THAT CONTRACT. AND SO THEY'RE PROVIDING THE SERVICE AND WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THE SERVICE IS DONE. THERE'S NO INTERRUPTION IN SERVICE. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SOMEBODY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THE CLEANING AT ALL TIMES. OUTSIDE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, CLOSURES OF OUR BUILDINGS AND DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS. THIS WOULD COUPLE IT ALL INTO UNDER ONE CONTRACT. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'D HAVE TO GO THAT WAY. WE DID RESERVE THE RIGHT IN RFP TO CONSIDER PULLING SPECIFIC COMPONENTS AND DOING A COMBINATION OF THE TWO. THAT DOES TAKE MORE WORK AND MORE FOCUS ON STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS ARE WORKING. THE OTHER THING I WILL MENTION WITH THIS IS THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CMAC IN THE CURRENT PROJECT, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY FUTURE CONDITIONS THAT COME WITH THE CITY HALL ANNEX, THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THAT THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED. THE RFP DID INCLUDE WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE STAFF USAGE, SO THE IT AREA AND SOME OF THE RESTROOMS AT THE ANNEX. BUT THE REST OF THAT FACILITY IS NOT COVERED UNDER THE CURRENT RFP. SO IF WE WERE TO GO CONTRACT AND INCLUDE THOSE AS WOULD BE RECOMMENDED, THIS COST WOULD INCREASE JUST FROM THE CONTRACT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. AND THE PRIVATE SIDE THAT IS ALREADY COVERED. YES. CURRENTLY AND IN THE CURRENT RFP. SO WOULD ONLY BE THE ADDITIONAL THE CURRENTLY CITY OPERATED SIDE IS NOT INCLUDED. SO THAT DOESN'T HAVE CURRENT JANITORIAL SERVICES. THE RFP DID INCLUDE JUST THOSE SMALL SECTIONS. SO IF STAFF WERE TO CONTINUE TO STAY AT A LARGER CAPACITY OUTSIDE OF THE IT SPACE AND THE RESTROOMS, IT WOULD NOT BE COVERED UNDER THIS CURRENT CONTRACT. SO IN THE EVENT, SAME THING WITH KMART, WHEN KMART COMES ONLINE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ADDENDUM TO A CONTRACT TO GET THAT PORTION ADDED. UNFORTUNATELY THAT WOULD COME WITH PROBABLY A LARGER PRICE BECAUSE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT BUILDING. SO A DECENT SIZED BUILDING ON TOP OF IT, HAVING A FULL LOCKER ROOMS, AND SO THE LOCKER ROOMS ARE GOING TO BE MORE COSTLY, MORE COSTLY UNDER THE CONTRACT BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE CLEANING VERSUS IF IT WAS JUST OFFICES. SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT COULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE LINES OF WHAT THE COST WAS FOR THEM TO DO. CITY HALL AS PROJECTED. SO ANYWHERE FROM A 15 TO $30,000 INCREASE COULD BE INCURRED BY DOING THAT AS A ROUGH ESTIMATE. SO SO IT KIND OF GOES OVER THAT PIECE OF IT AS FAR AS THE CONTRACT SERVICES. BUT AS I MENTIONED, WE WANT TO PROVIDE A SECONDARY OPTION. AND THAT SECOND OPTION WOULD BE TO EXPLORE AN IN-HOUSE CUSTODIAL SERVICES. WE WOULD TAKE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THEN ADD ADDITIONAL POSITIONS TO THAT. [03:05:01] SO IT PROVIDED THAT BREAKDOWN AS WELL. OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THREE CUSTODIANS AND ONE CREW LEAD. AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE CURRENTLY CURRENTLY HAVE ONE PARKS CUSTODIAN, SO WE WOULD JUST BE MAKING A CUSTODIAL CREW. THAT WOULD BE COMBINED INTO THAT. WITH PARKS. WE WOULD DO THE SIMILAR THING FOR THE REC CENTER. THEY CURRENTLY PAY FOR WHAT WOULD BE CLOSE TO THE COST OF A CUSTODIAN. AND SO WE WOULD CONSUME THAT COST AS WELL. AND THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL ONES TO PROVIDE FULL COVERAGE FOR ALL CITY FACILITIES. I REALLY LINE THIS OUT FOR US. WHAT IS WHAT'S THE EXTRA COST OF WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? SO IF YOU IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT PAGE. YEP. SO THAT BREAKS THAT DOWN TO SHOW YOU THE FUNDING SOURCE AND WHERE THAT FUNDING SOURCE WOULD BE COMING FROM. SO WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY GONE TO ABLC TO PITCH THIS IDEA DID NOT GIVE THEM FULL COST WITH IT, BUT GET THEIR THOUGHTS. IF WE WERE TO ADD THIS CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED GETTING TO SEE IF BECAUSE IT'S UNDER PARKS AND REC. THAT. THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO LEVERAGE A, B, C THEY SAID THEY WOULD CONSIDER SUPPORTING THAT IN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF THE 7030 SPLIT. SO WOULD BE IF THEY STAYED WITH THAT 7030 SPLIT. THE NET CHANGE FOR THEM WOULD BE ABOUT $50,000 TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT. AND THE GENERAL FUND WOULD BE IMPACTED ABOUT $24,000. AND OPTION TWO DOES INCLUDE THE KMART. YES. DOES INCLUDE THE ANNEX. YES. THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT WE WOULD BE HIRING, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT ALL THOSE BUILDINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO DITCH EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. NOPE. AND ARE THESE GOING TO BE DAYTIME STAFF? IS IT SHIFT WORK? WE WOULD CONTINUE TO EXPLORE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION. SO WE WOULD PROBABLY START WITH DAYTIME STAFF BUT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED. REC CENTER IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A DAYTIME PORTER SO IT WOULD STAY THAT MOST OF THE THINGS PD AND CITY HALL COULD BE ATTRIBUTED DAYTIME WITH MAYBE SOME EXTENDED HOURS, IF YOU WILL, CAME BACK SIMILAR. THAT FACILITY IS USUALLY WHEN THE STAFF IS OUT IN THE FIELDS. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES GOING IN THERE. SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BEING DAYTIME STAFF AT THIS TIME. I KIND OF JUST WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO RANKING LINE NUMBER FOUR AND THE DELTA BETWEEN IT. AND NUMBER THREE IS $55,892. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT MYSELF. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. $55,892 IS THE DELTA BETWEEN 3 AND 4. DQ SERVICES. I BELIEVE $84,000. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THEIRS AND YOU COMPARE SOME OF THEIR PROJECTIONS, THEY ARE PROJECTING THAT CITY HALL WOULD BE ABOUT AN HOUR AT. I BELIEVE IT'S JUST OVER AN HOUR A DAY THEY WOULD SPEND AT CITY HALL. SO WHILE THEIR SERVICES COMPARE LIKE DROPS, THE PRICE. THE OTHER THING I WOULD POINT OUT THERE IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE REC CENTER LINE, THEY'RE QUOTING $3,500 FOR THE REC CENTER SERVICE, WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO, LET'S SAY, ROUGHLY $40,000. THEIR BID WOULD BE LOWER THAN OUR CURRENT CONTRACT PRICE. CLEARLY LINED UP WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. ABSOLUTELY. THEIR SCOPE OF WORK WAS, IF I HAD TO GUESS, SEVEN PAGES LONG OF WHAT THEIR DAILY, WEEKLY, BI WEEKLY, MONTHLY, QUARTERLY RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE. YOU HAVE THAT NOW WITH AMBASSADOR. YES. NOT WORKING. NO. YEAH. THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES WITH OUR CURRENT ONE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I CAN TELL YOU. PD WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE. THERE ARE AREAS OF PD THAT ARE DETERIORATING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CLEANED APPROPRIATELY. AND YOU GOT FEEDBACK FROM OTHER CITIES, THEIR CUSTOMERS LIKE AMBASSADOR TO GET NUMBER ONE, YOU GOT FEEDBACK ON THEIR FABULOUS AMBASSADOR DIDN'T GET NUMBER ONE. NUMBER ONE, I TELL YOU TO GO TO NUMBER SIX, 17 AMBASSADORS, WHO WE HAVE NOW A AND A RIGHT. BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION, AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I JUST ASKED JOHN. AND I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO COME UP HERE. NOW, HOW DID YOU GET THIS LIST? SO THIS IS AN RFP THAT WAS PUT OUT FOR LOCAL BIDDING. I CAN TELL YOU 11 BIDDERS IS FAR ABOVE ANY PROJECT THAT WE'VE HAD. BUT I WAS INTENTIONAL OF TRYING TO FIND ANY AND EVERY JANITORIAL SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY. [03:10:06] I WANT TO SAY THERE WAS MAYBE FOUR THAT ATTENDED THE OUR PRE-BID MEETING, WHERE WE DID A FACILITY WALKTHROUGH OF ALL THE FACILITIES THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED. WHO WERE WHO WERE THEY? I'D HAVE TO REMEMBER, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF THAT. JASON. THAT'D BE AN IMPORTANT DETAIL BECAUSE IF THEY WERE THE ONES THAT ATTENDED A WALK THROUGH AND PRE PRE PRE BID MEETING THEN YOU COULD LOOK AT THOSE BECAUSE IF, IF NUMBER FOUR WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT DID, THEN YOU KNOW THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THE SCOPE. OH, AND WE HAVE YEAH, WE HAVE THE LIST. DK SERVICES I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT WAS AT IT. THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT ATTENDED THAT DID NOT SUBMIT A BID. SO DKDTK DID ATTEND. THEY FROM WHAT I RECALL, YES, THEY DID ATTEND THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN TELL YOU FROM SCOPE OF WORK. WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE EXPECTED HOURS. WE DID TELL THEM THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING FOR THEM TO JUDGE BASED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK. YEAH. BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU WHEN I SAW THAT ONE, IT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN CHANGE VERSUS ALL THE REST OF THEM WERE PRETTY MORE IN LINE. YOU DO HAVE A COUPLE OUTLINERS, I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THEM, I BELIEVE TOP OF MY HEAD, THERE'S ONE ON THERE THAT HAD THE REC CENTERS QUOTED AT $7,000 A MONTH, WHICH IS MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT WE PAY NOW. AND SO I THINK SOME OF IT COMES FROM WHAT THEY ASSUMED THEY WOULD BE DOING OR MIGHT BE OUTSIDE THEIR SCOPE. SO A REC CENTER MAY NOT BE A TYPICAL WHAT SOME OF THE JANITORIAL SERVICES CURRENTLY DO. AND SO THEY MAY HAVE OVER SCOPED IN THAT WAY, BUT THE HIGHER THEY BID, THE HIGHER YOU RANK THEM. AND I CAN TELL YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS WHEN YOU GO OUT FOR AN RFP, WE CAN ONLY RANK BASED ON WHAT THEY PROPOSE. AND SO I THE REVIEW BOARD THAT WENT THROUGH, THEY. I CAN TELL YOU SOME OF THE PACKETS THEY RECEIVED. THEY. THEY COULD TELL RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE A QUALITY BID BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THEY WERE GIVEN IN THE SCOPE OF WORK, EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE GOING OR IN RFP, WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE GRADED ON. AND SO THEY KNEW FULL WELL, AND YOU CAN SEE ONES THAT LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE GRADED ON THIS AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE I HIT EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. AND THERE WAS OTHER ONES THAT DIDN'T EVEN PROVIDE REFERENCES OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS OR RELEVANT WORK. AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A RED FLAG, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THIS SERVICE. YES. BUT BUT TO ME, A. A VENDOR THAT SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL THAT HAS A FAVORABLE PRICE THAT'S SCORED HIGH WOULD BE ONE THAT I WOULD KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT, AND I WOULD BE SURE THAT. THEY THAT THAT I WAS CONFIDENT IN THEIR ABILITY TO DO THE WORK. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT'S THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DRAW INTO, YOU KNOW, HEY, CAN, CAN THESE PEOPLE DO THE WORK? AND THEY, THEY, THEY ATTENDED ACCORDING TO YOU, THE, THE PRE-BID MEETING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, TO ME MAKES THEM, I WOULD SAY IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEY WERE PROBABLY I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES DIDN'T. BUT IF ANY OF THESE THAT BID A LOT THAT BID A HIGHER ANNUAL PRICE DIDN'T ATTEND, THEN I'M GOING TO ASSUME. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO ASSUME THAT THEY THREW THAT PRICE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ATTEND, AND THEY WERE KIND OF THROWING SOMETHING AT THE WALL TO SEE IF IT STUCK. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT'S A LOT OF. TRYING TO SEE. I CAN TELL YOU FOR THE TOP THREE A AN A FOR SURE WAS AT THE PRE-BID MEETING. I KNOW THAT THEY WERE PRESENT. DK SERVICES. YES. WAS AT IT. UNITED SERVICES ASSOCIATES WAS AT THE PRE-BID MEETING AS WELL. I DON'T BELIEVE BASED ON THIS LIST VAN JAN WAS PRESENT, I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE NOT A LOCAL VENDOR. THEY'RE ACTUALLY BASED OUT OF VANCOUVER. AND SO WHERE'S D K OUT OF ARE THEY HERE? YEAH. THEY'RE AT LOCAL AREA. YES. I DON'T, I CAN'T, I THINK I BELIEVE BRAZORIA COUNTY. BUT YEAH, THEY WOULD BE A LOCAL ONE. BARBARA ALSO I APOLOGIZE TO ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. I CAN TELL YOU ANA SERVICES IS OUR CURRENT CONTRACTOR FOR THE REC CENTER, SO WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THEM ALREADY THERE. THEY ARE OUR CURRENT, OUR CURRENT. THEY ARE THE CURRENT PORTER THAT SERVICES THE REC CENTER. [03:15:08] AND IT WAS THE FOURTH. DID YOU EVER FIND OUT DQ OR DQ SERVICES WAS THE AS FAR AS THE NUMBER FOUR. I GOT A DQ AND UNITED SERVICES THAT WERE THERE. OH NO. YEAH THERE WAS YEAH, THERE WAS PLENTY OF THEM. THERE WERE PEOPLE STACKED ON THE WALL. YEAH. AT THE TABLE. AND ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SIDE OF THE CONFERENCE ROOM WAS NOT THE PLACE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE PRE-BID MEETING. WE JUST WERE NOT EXPECTING THAT MANY THAT MANY INDIVIDUALS TO SHOW UP WITH DQ SERVICES, CLEANING AMERICAN FACILITY SERVICES CITY WIDE. THEY ACTUALLY DID NOT BID ACTION. NO. CITY WIDE THEY DID. I WAS GOING TO SAY THEY BID CITY CITYWIDE PREMIER JUST SAYS PREMIER DID NOT DID SHE WAS THERE INFINITY CONTRACTORS, UNITED SERVICES ASSOCIATES? I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT HANDWRITING IS. I GUESS AMBASSADOR, BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS NEXT TO THEM. AND I CAN NOT SEE THE OTHER ONE. THAT'S THE LIST I HAVE FOR SURE. ANYTHING ELSE? YES. I WANT TO DIVE IN REAL QUICK ON TAKING IT IN-HOUSE. I WANT TO TAKE THIS APART A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A A AN A SITTING AT THE REC CENTER. YES. WORKING. YEP. YOU HAVE A FULL TIME OR PART TIME PERSON ALSO HELPING JUST AREN'T THEY? BUT WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE CITY, RIGHT? WE HAVE A PARKS EMPLOYEE, WHICH WE USED AS A REFERENCE FOR THAT FULL SCOPE OF HAVING A CREW. WHERE IS THAT PARKS PERSON? THEY'RE CURRENTLY ALL PARKS. AND SO THEY PARKS JUST CLEANING THE PARKS. THAT IS CLEANING ALL RESTROOMS AND THROUGHOUT THE PARKS. OKAY. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM OVER TO THIS CREW. THEY WOULD JUST BE ON THE CREW. SO WE WOULD CREATE A JANITORIAL CREW THAT THEY WOULD BE PART OF, WHICH WOULD MEAN WE WOULD HAVE FOUR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT CITY SERVICES. SO IN THE EVENT ONE OF THEM IS ON PTO, WE CAN SHIFT PRIORITIES VERSUS A CONTRACT. I MEAN, GRANTED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE PTO. BUT VERSUS A CONTRACT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY PULL SOMEBODY TO SUPPORT AS NEEDED, RIGHT? YOU'D BE ADDING THREE PEOPLE. WE WOULD BE ADDING THREE POSITIONS, RIGHT? ONE TECHNICALLY FUNDED BY THE CONTRACT FOR ANA. CURRENTLY AT THE REC CENTER. YEP. WHY A CREW LEADER? WHY DO WE NEED A CREW LEADER? CONTINUITY FOR OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENSURE SOMEBODY IS DOING THEIR JOB. CONSISTENCY WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SOMEBODY THAT'S AN EXPERT THAT WOULD BE SEEN AS THE EXPERT FOR THIS FIELD TO ENSURE THE CLEANING IS DONE RIGHT, THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PRODUCT. THAT IS NOT ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT COMES WITH THE SKILL SET OF A SUPERINTENDENT, RIGHT? YES, YES. BUT MY PROBLEM IS, IS STARTING OFF SMALL. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO START OFF WITH A CREW. I THINK YOU NEED TO GIVE A STIPEND TO SOMEBODY INSIDE THE STAFF. AND I'M NOT SAYING JUST THE PARKS. I'M NOT SAYING YOU IT COULD BE ANYONE ELSE IN THIS IN THE CITY THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO TO SUPERVISE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH. THREE. THREE CLEANERS. THREE CUSTODIANS. NOW, OR IN THIS CASE, TWO CUSTODIANS. IF YOU KEPT YOUR PARKS PERSON DOING PARK CLEANING. BUT THAT'S A BIG EXPENSE, ADDING, ANYTIME YOU START ADDING MANAGEMENT TO ANYTHING, IT GETS EXPENSIVE. I THINK, JASON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU'RE. CORRECT THAT IT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL OPTION. YES, YES, YES. ONCE AGAIN. NOW THE PARKS PERSON CURRENTLY CORRECT WILL BECOME YOUR CREW LEADER. CORRECT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS ON THAT COST. ON THAT, I MEAN IN REALITY YOU'RE YOU WOULD BE DOING A. THE COST WOULD STILL BE THERE BECAUSE IF YOU ELEVATED THAT PERSON, IT'S ABOUT $6,000 DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR PACKET, THAT'S WHAT'S OUTLINED FOR THEIR FULL COST. THAT. SAID IF YOU IF YOU'RE IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT FOR THE LEAD, YOU GIVE IT TO THE PARKS PERSON AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH. [03:20:07] I MEAN, WHERE I'M FROM, YOU, YOU MIGHT BE A LEADER, BUT YOU GOT TO ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES AND DO SOME WORK TOO. AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SITTING THERE PICKING OUT THE PRODUCTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT MEANS GETTING IN THERE AND GETTING YOUR HANDS DIRTY AND DOING THE WORK. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION THAT EVEN AS SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER CREW LEAD POSITIONS, THEY ARE BOOTS ON THE GROUND STILL. SO EXAMPLES. WE HAVE THREE OTHER PARKS CREW LEADERS, ONE FOR MAINTENANCE, ONE FOR RIGHT AWAY, ONE FOR PARKS. THEY ARE JUST RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR TEAM IN THE FIELD TO ENSURE SOME OF THE DAY TO DAY IS CONTINUE TO GO ON, BUT THEY ARE ALSO OUT IN THE FIELD DOING THE WORK. SO EXAMPLE, IF WE IF WE WENT INTERNAL, THAT INDIVIDUAL MAY OR MAY NOT STAY AT THE PARKS, BUT THEY WOULD ENSURE THAT THE QUALITY OF SERVICE IS UP TO STANDARD THROUGHOUT. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GOING IN-HOUSE IF IT MEANS. YOU ADDED TWO PEOPLE. I'M VERY LASER FOCUSED ON HEADCOUNT. AND IF YOU CAN GO OUTSIDE AND COUNCILMAN SARTIN EVEN SAID IT, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN NUMBER FOUR RANKING AND THE NUMBER ONE RANKING. IT'S YEAH, IT'S $87,000, RIGHT? $97,000, $97,360. THIS IS WHAT KEEPS YOU HONEST. THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND GO, AM I? CAN I DO IT BETTER AND MORE EFFICIENT AT A BETTER COST THAN THIS DAY? WHETHER THEY'RE WRONG OR NOT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. THEY DID THE WALK THROUGH. THEY DO THE QUOTE. I WOULD I WOULD BE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD HISTORY, THEY GOT BAD REFERENCES, YOU KNOW, NOT BEEN AROUND VERY LONG. THERE'S WORRIES THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT. I'M WITH YOU ON THIS, BUT NOT ALL OF THESE ARE FLY BY NIGHTS ARE THERE. AND YOU GOT THREE PRETTY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 117 AND 126. YOU GOT A GOT 98. 129. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER ONES THERE. SO YOU ALSO GOT TO REMEMBER THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS BUILDING. SO YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TO THOSE TO THOSE PRICES. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO ADD TO 84,000 THAN IT IS 162. THE. TOTAL COST WE'RE PAYING NOW COMPARED TO WHAT THIS IS WHAT THE WHAT THE BUILDING IS. SO KIND OF CASE IN POINT, MY CONCERN WITH THE LOWEST BIDDER IS THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T EVEN MEET THE THRESHOLD OF OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. SO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT JUST FOR THE FACILITY IS NOT INCLUDING OUR ADDITIONAL ONES IS $53,000. AND IF YOU TAKE OUT THE REC CENTER SO THAT 40,000 WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR BID IS UNDER $50,000 FOR THE ALL THE REST OF THE FACILITIES. SO THERE'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COST TO THE CITY. CURRENT ANNUAL COST IS 147,000. WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. YOU WANT TO GO TO 221,000. IS THAT RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN IT WOULD GROW EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OF US THE LIVING RAISES THAT WE GIVE OUT BENEFITS THAT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE SEEMS TO GO UP EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I DO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU WOULD SEE PROBABLY THE SAME THING HAPPEN WITH A CONTRACT OR CURRENT CONTRACT WITH A N A OR A CURRENT CONTRACT WITH AMBASSADOR GOES UP EVERY YEAR AS WELL. WHAT ARE YOUR CONTRACT TERMS? ARE YOU TRYING TO ONE YEAR TERMS OR FIVE YEAR TERMS OR WHAT? WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT ROUTE. WE PROBABLY GO A MULTIPLE YEAR TERM. BUT IN AMBASSADOR'S CURRENT CONTRACT, THERE ARE STATES THAT THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO DO AN ANNUAL INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR SO THAT YOU CAN LIMIT THAT. YOU CAN PUT IT IN YOUR SCOPE PROPOSAL AND SAY THAT YOUR CONTRACT AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THEM REBID IT IF YOU HAVE TO. BUT YOU YOU GOT THE TEETH. YOU CAN DO. THEY WANT THE BUSINESS. YOU GOT TO LEND IT OUT FOR THEM TO YOUR CONTRACT. MAYBE A 3% ANNUAL INCREASE, NO MORE AND SEE WHAT THEY DO IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT. [03:25:04] IN THIS CASE 2000. OVER WHAT YOU CURRENTLY THINK AND I'M FOR YOU GETTING BETTER SERVICE. I'M 100% IN AGREEMENT. GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT BIDDERS HERE, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE A LOT LOWER THAN THEM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I'M ALSO CURIOUS LIKE A AND A $2,000 FOR ANIMAL CONTROL. THERE HE IS, DOWN TO 217. THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD ALSO GO BACK TO JUST THEM LOOKING AT THE SCOPE OF WORK. I BELIEVE ANA PROBABLY INCLUDED OUR REQUEST TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL CLEANING IN THE KENNEL AREA. AND I DON'T BELIEVE ALL THE CONTRACTORS DID THAT. THERE WERE CONTRACTORS THAT SAID THE CLEANING OF ANIMAL SERVICES WOULD TAKE LESS THAN AN HOUR A DAY TO COMPLETE CLEAN IN THERE. AND SO YOU HAVE TO FACTOR THOSE PIECES IN THERE. LIKE $200 IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT DOESN'T TELL ME THAT THEY LOOKED AT THE FULL SCOPE OF WORK BECAUSE THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT THE ANIMAL SERVICES, WHETHER THERE'S 100 PEOPLE THERE OR TEN PEOPLE IN THERE, JUST ANIMALS IN AND OUTS, REQUIRES A LOT OF CLEANING IN THAT SPACE. AND SO IT'S NOT A 30 MINUTES, I'M IN AND OUT, WIPE DOWN THE BATHROOM AND GET OUT THE DOOR. DOING A BAD JOB. NOW, I WOULD COMPARE THAT TO. NOW, I CAN TELL YOU ANIMAL SERVICES HAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRENT CONTRACT AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY CURRENTLY SPEND THERE THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING ADEQUATE SERVICE. AND THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE WHEN YOU RUN INTO A CONTRACT, IS THAT IT'S BASED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK. AND IF THEY SAID, WE WIPE DOWN THE WINDOWS, WHETHER THEY'RE IN THERE TEN MINUTES, THEY'RE IN THERE TEN HOURS, AS LONG AS THEY COMPLETE THE SCOPE OF WORK. I'VE BEEN SITTING THERE WHEN THEY CLEANED AND SHOW ME WHERE THE BROOM IS. WHEN SHE LEAVES, I'LL COME FINISH IT. YES. WELL, AND THAT I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN, RIGHT? IS WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE IT TO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. RIGHT. BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST, LIKE I SAW LIKE THE PRICE ITSELF LOOKS A FAVORABLE ONE. BUT WHEN I COMPARE IT TO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET SOME OF THAT SHOCK FROM IS OUR CONTRACT PRICE WOULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN IF WE WERE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE THE COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BRING THE COST DOWN. NOW KEEP IN MIND, LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS WE PRESENTED LIKE THAT FULL BUDGET, UP, UP TOP. IF WE WENT WITH A CONTRACT, WE WOULD STILL BE PAYING FOR THE PARKS CUSTODIAN. THAT WOULD STILL BE BUDGETED POSITION. THIS WOULD THE CONTRACT WOULD JUST, IN THEORY, TAKE OVER OUR FACILITY. SO THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE OF. SO YOU WOULD JUST BE SUPPLEMENTING THE COST OF REALLY YOUR TOP ITEMS MINUS YOUR LAST ITEM. SO THAT SOME OF THAT COST WOULD STILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE WITH THAT ONE. SO JOHN, TO YOUR POINT, LET'S SAY IT'S $120,000 RANGE. OUR OUTDOOR COST IS ABOUT $177,000, NOT INCLUDING THE K MARK OR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. SO. I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT I REMEMBER SITTING HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO FUND A FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE STARTED SMALL. AT FIRST AND WOULD ADD ANOTHER TWO THE NEXT YEAR. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO START SMALL AND WE HAVE TO GET THERE. WE WANT TO TAKE IT IN-HOUSE, TAKE IT IN-HOUSE, AND YOU CAN'T JUST GO FULL FOREHEAD. COUNT OFF ALL THE BEGINNING EARLIER. THAT'S. NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER. ALSO SAYING THAT. GOING OUTSIDE IS THE RIGHT ANSWER EITHER. BUT I UNDERSTAND BETTER OF THESE GUYS AND MAYBE REBID WITH THE RIGHT WITH CHANGING YOUR LANGUAGE ON YOUR QUOTE TO WHERE YOU HAVE THE POWER AND THE THAT'S PROBABLY A BIG THING THAT I REALIZED AFTER WASTE CONNECTIONS. LOOKING AT THESE CONTRACTS A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND PUTTING THEM UP, TO QUOTE, A LITTLE BIT BETTER. ONE LAST THING. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO SAY WITH THAT. SO KIND OF TO YOUR POINT FOR HEADCOUNT SHAUN EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE WITH THIS ONE IS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE PARKS EMPLOYEE, RIGHT? WE HAD PARKS CUSTODIAN. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD SOME KIND OF CLEANING CUSTODIAN WE USED TO HAVE IN HOUSE. [03:30:01] YES. WELL, FOR THE REC CENTER. AND THEN WE USED TO HAVE ONE HERE. SO IN THEORY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I AGREE, LIKE TAKING THAT SMALL APPROACH IS WE'VE NOW ADDED THE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES TO COVER ON TOP OF THOSE. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE HISTORY OF, OF HAVING THE CURRENT CONTRACT BEING ONE, THE REC CENTER BEING ONE AND THE PARKS BEING ONE, IT'S REALLY JUST THAT ONE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE, BUT IT'S JUST BASED ON OUR CURRENT CONTRACT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MEETING THE NEED OF IT. SO I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, HAVING ONE, I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK AND BRING THIS BACK AND SEE TALK ABOUT IT. WE'RE UNDER CONTRACT. IT IS A YEAR TO YEAR RENEWAL. IT'S JUST WE CONTINUE JUST TO SUFFER THROUGH SOME OF THE SERVICES. WE GOT THAT BRAND NEW BUILDING THAT'S ABOUT TO COME ON. SO WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THAT AS AN ALTERNATE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WAS ONCE THE OLD BUILDING WAS TORN DOWN, THEY ADDED ON THE LEASE BUILDING. AND SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD IT TO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. IT DOESN'T HURT US. IT DOESN'T LOCK US IN ANY LONGER. IT'S JUST ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT TERMS. SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ON THAT TOO. I MEAN, WHY, WHY DIDN'T THEY BID THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE KMART? I MEAN, WHY DIDN'T THEY. SO WE PUT IT IN THERE THAT AND LET THEM KNOW LIKE WE PROVIDED THAT AS A FUTURE OPPORTUNITY. BUT BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT OUT TO BID AND WE WERE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE DESIGN PIECES THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THE WALK THROUGH. SO THEY DIDN'T FEEL WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, JUST BASED ON WHAT THE FLOOR PLAN IS, BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES WE GOT TO WALK FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WAS BEING ASKED OF THEM. SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF WENT WITH THE ROUNDABOUTS OF WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL COST COULD BE. BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE PROVIDER YOU SELECT. IT COULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO INTO THE MIDDLE ROAD BUILDERS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET A FAVORABLE, BUT WITH THEM BEING ABLE TO GO INTO THAT, LET'S SAY WE WENT OUT TO REBID, WE COULD DO ANOTHER PRE BID MEETING. THEY COULD COME SEE, THEY CAME BACK AND SEE WHAT WOULD THAT ENTAIL. I WASTEWATER I MEAN IMPORTANT, BUT THAT'S A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT. AND SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA, BUT. MAINLY JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM, FROM COUNCIL AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO NEXT. THEY HAVE A CITY VEHICLE LIKE TO GET THEM FROM POINT A TO WASTEWATER TREATMENT. SO WE HAVE CURRENT PARKS VEHICLES. SO SOME OF THAT WOULD BE COORDINATION FOR THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY GOT TO THEIR LOCATIONS. I MEAN, THEIR CURRENT LOCATION THEY WOULD GO TO FOR LIKE CITY HALL, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND SO WE WOULD COORDINATE THAT WITH OUR CURRENT CREW LEAD. SO OUR CUSTODIAN CURRENTLY HAS A VEHICLE THAT SHE USES. I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU REBID CHANGES AS THE CLIMATE CHANGE THE CONTRACT TERMS LANGUAGE SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED DONE, WHICH I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE AND SEE WHAT THE BIDS COME IN AT. YOU GOT TO HAVE YOU'VE GOT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ADDING. CAME UP. AND I'D ALSO LIKE YOU TO GO BACK AND SHARPEN YOUR PENCILS ON HEADCOUNT. WHAT CAN YOU WHAT'S THE MINIMUM YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH? MARKS PERSON PLUS ONE IS THE PARKS PERSON PLUS TWO. DON'T BRING ME BACK PARKS PERSON PLUS THREE. WELL SO WHEN WE SAY THAT THOUGH. SO KEEPING THE CURRENT LIKE CURRENT SCOPE OF IT, WE TECHNICALLY HAVE THREE SERVERS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A REC CENTER CONTRACT, WHICH IS AN EMPLOYEE. YES, A CONTRACT, BUT THERE IS SOMEBODY DEDICATED SOLELY TO THE REC CENTER. WE HAVE A PARKS EMPLOYEE WHO IS DEDICATED TO PARKS, AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT WHO IS DEDICATED TO THE REST OF THE CITY FACILITIES. AND BE VERY CLEAR. OKAY. CHANGES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE OUTSIDE CONTRACT. AND THEN GIVE ME THE CURRENT PROPOSED INSIDE. WHEN DO THE CURRENT CONTRACTS EXPIRE? SO. AMBASSADORS IS TECHNICALLY EXPIRATION IS JUST AN ONGOING ANNUAL ONE. WE HAVE A 30 DAY NOTICE FOR THEIRS THAT WE COULD CANCEL THEIRS. THE WAY THAT A, AN A IS, IS THEIRS IS DESIGNED AS A SERVICE. AND SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CANCEL THAT AT ANY TIME. I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THOUGH THE OFFICIAL RENEWAL DATE. IT AUTOMATICALLY RENEWS ON ITS OWN UNLESS YOU. [03:35:08] I THE TERM OF THEIR CONTRACT. IT WAS ONE YEAR BEGINNING ON MAY 1ST, 2021 AND SHALL AUTOMATICALLY RENEW FOR UP TO FOUR ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR TERMS FOR A POSSIBLE CONTRACT LIFE OF FIVE YEARS. SO BASED ON THAT, I BELIEVE TECHNICALLY WE WOULD BE COMING UP ON OUR FINAL CONTRACT LIFE FOR THEIRS. THANK YOU. YOU CHANGED YOUR WAY BACK THERE. I'M IN IT NOT TO BE HERE. CAN I SAY THAT WE HAVE SANDRA. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT. SHE WAS GREAT. COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. [COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL ] FIRST. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK BY PUBLIC WORKS. ANOTHER DAY OF IT COMING OVERNIGHT TONIGHT. LOOKS LIKE. YEP. TOMORROW? YEP. I ECHO THOSE THOUGHTS AND SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE STAFF FOR WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH. ANYTIME IT RAINS HARD, WE KNOW WE LIVE IN A LOW LYING AREA. OUR STREETS ARE DESIGNED TO TAKE THE WATER AND NOT THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD. BUT WE ALSO DON'T LIVE IN MOUNTAINS WHERE EVERYTHING DRAINS OFF OF THIS. LOW LYING AREA. BUT WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AFTER MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE WANT TO SEE US TALKING ABOUT HAVING MAYBE AN AGENDA ITEM, TALK ABOUT WHAT ACTIONS WE HAVE TAKEN ON DRAINAGE DITCHES, WHAT ACTIONS WE ARE AWARE OF WITH CITY STREETS THAT NEED TO BE IT'S BECAUSE THINGS LIKE MIMOSA STREET, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT. WHERE ELSE DO WE HAVE GOTCHAS IN THE CITY THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE PRICING WE JUST DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR, AND WE NEED TO GET FIXED. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM. OKAY. BECAUSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 100,000, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN FUND THAT. I KNOW SUSAN, YOU JUST YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO AT LEAST LET'S TALK ABOUT AND FIGURE OUT A PLAN TO GET THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZENS COMPLAINING ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. I, I GET IT. IT'S FRUSTRATING. I KNOW YOU'RE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET IT FIXED AND FUNDING FOR IT. WE'RE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HEAR THE CITIZENS COMPLAINING ABOUT IT AND LET'S GET IT FIXED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP THAT BALL. THAT IS A VERY HIGH PRIORITY TO GET BALL ROLLING AND KEEP MOVING. TRY TO SHOOT FOR GETTING TO THE GYM FOR LIKE ME AND JOHN WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT. SO WE'LL SHOOT SOME KIND OF DATE ONCE WE SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT. AND THEN I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR STICKING WITH THE PROGRAM. I KNOW THERE'S SOME FRUSTRATIONS AND I HEAR ABOUT IT ON, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGETS AND THE BUDGETS ARE COMING UP AND EVERYBODY WANTS EVERYTHING. WE ARE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE Y'ALL KEEP KEEPING THE BALL MOVING FORWARD EVERY SINGLE DAY, DESPITE THE FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS THAT WE PUT ON YOU. ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO BRING UP IS, MARTHA, YOU AND I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE GOOD NEWS, THE POSITIVE VIBES. YES. EXPAND THAT. AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT WONDER IF THAT'S AN IDEA, TO GET FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS ON THINGS THAT ARE POSITIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, SOMETHING THAT A GROUP DID, SOMEBODY DID THAT WAS POSITIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. LET'S RECOGNIZE THEM FOR THAT. AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST THING IS TO TALK ABOUT. THE BUILDING BEING TORN DOWN ACROSS SOME ENTREES. LET'S MAKE SURE WE GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE GENTLEMAN ON, ON FACEBOOK, ON ALL OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, [03:40:03] THANKING HIM VERY MUCH FOR BEING PROACTIVE IN GETTING THAT BUILDING DOWN. IT WAS AN EYESORE. HE RECOGNIZED IT AS WELL AS WE DID. DEFINITELY THANK HIM FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU, KYLE, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK ON YOU. I KNOW THE OTHER ONES YOU'RE FIGHTING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. WE GOT MORE COMING. YES. WE KNOW YOU FOUGHT HARD TONIGHT. NOT SURE. VERY MANY PEOPLE CARE. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? NOBODY. COME ON. WELL, YOU TOOK THE ONE I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, THE HONORARY. HOW LONG? THANKS. I CAN'T DO AS GOOD A JOB AS HIM. HE MADE IT BIG. I'M EXCITED. EVERY TIME I SEE SOMEBODY GET ACTION TO CLEAN UP THEIR AREA. AND THEY DO IT WILLINGLY. I AGREE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 551, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, [EXECUTIVE SESSION ] IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY TO RETAIN THEIR MS ITEM NUMBER 11 DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. NUMBER ONE, DISCUSSING DELIBERATE REGARDING COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION LIKE THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY SEEKS TO HAVE LOCATE, STAY OR EXPAND IN OR NEAR THE TERRITORY OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND WITH WHICH THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR TWO TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT DESCRIBED BY SUBDIVISION ONE. PURSUANT TO THE SECTION 551.087 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. NUMBER 12 DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 51.074, THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD APPOINTMENT. ITEM 13 DELIBERATE. THE APPOINTMENT. EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION. REASSIGNMENT DISCIPLINE OR DISMISSAL OF THE PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE PURSUANT POSITIONS 551.074 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SPECIFICALLY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 945. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 10:35 P.M. COUNCIL ANY ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER 12? ITEM NUMBER 12. [OPEN SESSION ] YES. YES. ITEM NUMBER 12. WE ARE REQUESTING APPOINTING. MAKING A MOTION. MAKING A MOTION TO APPOINT AMBER MURRAY TO PARKS BOARD. AND OUR SECOND CHOICE WILL BE IF. IF SHE'S UNAVAILABLE. IF SHE'S UNAVAILABLE, WE WILL APPOINT THE SECOND CHOICE. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY. COUNCILWOMAN. SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND. IT'S GETTING LATE. COUNCILMAN. SARTIN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. ACTION ITEM NUMBER 13. YES. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT HAROLD VANDEGRIFT AS DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM TWO. ADJOURNMENT. WE WILL ADJOURN AT 1037. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.