* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] SATURDAY AT 8:07 AM WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT. MISSING ONE. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL THAT I'M AWARE OF. NO, SIR. [1. Discussion and possible action on the Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Proposed budget book presentation and plan for balancing Fiscal Year 2027 budget pursuant to Chapter 102 of the Texas Local Government Code.] SO LET'S GO RIGHT INTO THE WORKSHOP. ITEM NUMBER ONE, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 20 27. PROPOSED BUDGET, BOOK, PRESENTATION, AND PLAN FOR BALANCING FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET PURSUANT TO THE CHAPTER 1 0 2 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. LET'S GO. DA, YOU'RE ON MORNING MARY. COUNSEL. GOOD MORNING. WE HAVE, UH, YOU'RE READY. IT'S THE MUSHROOM COFFEE. IT HELPS. WHAT, WHAT CAN I HAVE? DRINK COFFEE. VY DRIP. OKAY. HE'LL BE HERE IN A MINUTE. LLOYD FIRST. HEY LLOYD, THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. GLORIOUS DAY. I DON'T CARE WHAT THE WEATHER'S LIKE OUTSIDE. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE ON NOW. THAT WORK? YES. UM, GOOD MORNING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU FOR, UH, TAKING TIME OUTTA Y'ALL BUSY SCHEDULES, ALLOWING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. I KNOW WE'RE NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY AS PART OF THE CITY. UH, WE DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE, TO PRESENT THIS STUFF TO YOU, TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US, UH, GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON US, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, SHOW YOU OUR BUDGET NUMBERS AND WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO GO MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH OUR COOPERATION WITH THE CITY. EXCELLENT. NEXT. ALRIGHT, SO, AS MANY OF Y'ALL KNOW, WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1980. WE'VE BEEN SERVING THIS COMMUNITY FOR, UH, JUST A LITTLE OVER 45 YEARS NOW. UM, AS A 5 0 1 C3 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, WE ARE GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF A LARGE, UH, A SMALL NUMBER OF LEADERS FROM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. UM, OUR OPERATIONAL OPERATIONALLY ON OUR DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IS DONE BY MYSELF, UH, LLOYD AYERS, UH, MY DEPUTY CHIEF WHO IS HERE WITH US AS WELL, MR. HAROLD GOODEN. AND THEN WE HAVE FIVE LIEUTENANTS, UH, THREE SHIFT LIEUTENANTS AND TWO, UH, OPERATIONAL ASSISTANT HELPER LIEUTENANTS, IF YOU WILL. ALL OF THEM WITH, UH, VERY SPECIAL NICHES THAT CAN HELP WITH IT. UM, OPERATIONS, EQUIPMENT TRAINING, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WE HAVE A VERY GREAT GROUP OF GUYS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO WORK WITH AND WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE THEM. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR LIST HERE, UM, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS ARE COMPRISED OF, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PE BUSINESS LEADERS, HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS, LEGAL PROFESSIONALS, LAW PROFESSIONALS, UM, AND LONGTIME COMMUNITY ADVOCATES. THEY VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND THEIR EXPERTISE IS ABSOLUTELY, UH, MONUMENTAL TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR ORGANIZATION. AND WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO KEEP A GOOD GROUP OF, OF PEOPLE THERE TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, UH, IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. WE COMPRISE OUR CREWS OF, OF FULL-TIME, PART-TIME, AND A VOLUNTEER STAFF ARE FULL-TIMERS. WE HAVE 15 FULL-TIMERS. WE HAVE 13, WHICH ACTUALLY I THINK IS NOW ACTUALLY 14 OR 15 PART-TIMERS AND 20 VOLUNTEER CREW MEMBERS. OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AS A MEMBER OF THE CREW. THEY ARE NOT ANYTHING LESS THAN ANYBODY ELSE. THEY, THEY DO TO GET A SMALL, UH, REIMBURSEMENT FOR THEIR TIME ONCE THEY'VE COMPLETED OUR, UH, FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM. AND THEY ARE ABLE TO BE RELEASED AND, AND GO FROM THERE. UH, WE HAVE THE THREE OFFICE STAFF, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF MYSELF, HAROLD, AND, UM, OUR OFFICE MANAGER, A LONG TIME OFFICE MANAGER, MISS, UH, BARBARA MEADOWS. UM, IF YOU CAN SEE THERE, OUR LENGTH OF SERVICE IS, AVERAGE LENGTH OF SERVICE IS 11 YEARS. THAT IS, THAT IS A GREAT NUMBER, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S TIME WHEN IN AN EMS WHERE THERE'S, IT'S PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX YEARS IN A LOT OF AGENCIES BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T KEEP THE STAFF. SO THIS, THIS GOES TO SHOW THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING VERY GOOD HERE, UM, WITH, WITH ABOUT A THIRD OR MORE WITH OVER 10 YEARS OF, OF SERVICE. OUR FULL-TIMERS WORK A 48 96 SCHEDULE, WHICH IS TWO DAYS ON AND FOUR DAYS OFF. UM, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOUGH AT TIMES, UM, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER. AND THEN OUR PART-TIMERS AND OUR VOLUNTEERS, THEY FILL IN, WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE HOLE ABOUT EVERY DAY. AND THAT'S, WE LEAVE THAT INTENTIONALLY TO ALLOW THE PART-TIMERS AND VOLUNTEERS TO FILL IN. AND OF COURSE, IF SOMEBODY'S OFF SICK OR WHATEVER, WE [00:05:01] CAN USE THEM TO FILL IN AS WELL. AND OCCASIONALLY WE USE THAT AS OVERTIME TO FILL THOSE HOLES AS WELL UNDER OUR OPERATIONS. SO I KNOW TODAY'S FOCUS IS ON THE CITY OF ANGLETON, BUT WE, WE, OUR RESPONSIBILITY EXTENDS WELL BEYOND THAT. WE COVERED 200, ABOUT 285 SQUARE MILES OF, OF ROIA COUNTY, INCLUDING ANGLETON, HOLIDAY LAKES BRA, UH, BAILEY'S PRAIRIE, UH, R SHARON CITY, VILLAGE OF BONNIE, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AS YOU KNOW, ANGLETON'S ABOUT 12 ISH SQUARE MILES. SO I MEAN, IT'S A BIG CHUNK OF IT OUTSIDE OF THAT. AND DESPITE THAT, IT'S ONLY THAT SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF ANGLETON, 60% OF OUR CALLS VOLUME IS WITHIN THE CITY PROPER OF ANGLETON. 60%. 60%. SO YEAH. DO YOU COVER ANY DANBURY? ABOUT 60% WITHIN THE CITY AND THEN ABOUT 40% IN THE COUNTY. SIR, DO YOU COVER DANBURY? WE DO NOT COVER DANBURY. DANBURY HAS THEIR OWN EMS AGENTS. OKAY. YOU CAN POP A COUPLE SLIDES THERE PLEASE. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF OUR, OUR DAILY, UH, EMERGENCY RESPONSE READINESS DAILY. WE STAFF THREE A LS AMBULANCES, WHICH STANDS FOR ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT. UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE, WE'RE PARAMEDIC STAFFED ON, ON AT LEAST ONE PARAMEDIC ON EVERY TRUCK, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF EMT. SO YOU HAVE YOUR EMT, YOUR ADVANCED AND YOUR PARAMEDIC PARAMEDICS ARE THE BEST, OR NOT BEST, EXCUSE ME, THEY CAN DO THE MOST. THE REST OF 'EM DONE TALKING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, BEING STREAMLINED. YEAH, THIS IS RECORDED. YOU'RE BEING RECORDED. UM, WE DO HAVE A DEDICATED SHIFT LIEUTENANT. LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE FIVE, UM, MOST TIMES WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THEM THAT'S ON. SOMETIMES IF ONE OF THEM IS ON VACATION OR SOMETHING, WE WILL TAKE A MORE SENIOR, UH, CREW MEMBER AND THEY WILL BE THE DEDICATED FOR THAT DAY. BUT WE DO HAVE SHIFT LIEUTENANTS ON DAILY TO HELP, UH, FACILITATE ANY, ANY PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT ARISE AND HELP WITH THAT. UM, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DOUBLE OUR FLEET IN ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY. SO WE STAFF THREE, BUT WE DO HAVE SIX AMBULANCES THAT ARE ABLE TO, AND THEY ARE ALL FULLY EQUIPPED SO THAT THEY CAN BE STAFFED AND, AND REPORT TO DUTY AT ANY TIME. AND THESE DAILIES ARE COM THIS SUPPORTED BY THIS, LIKE I SAID, THE FULL-TIME, PART-TIME AND VOLUNTEERS. SO MOST TIMES YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR OR FIVE FULL-TIMERS ON A DAY, AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE A PART-TIMER OR A VOLUNTEER OR ANY COMBINATION OF THE THREE. SO OUR COMMITMENT IS NOT JUST TO ARRIVE WAKELY, IT'S TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CARE POSSIBLE ONCE WE ARRIVE ON SCENE. UM, LIKE I STATED, WE HAVE PARAMEDICS STAFFED ON ALL OF OUR FRONTLINE UNITS THAT, THAT ALLOWS TO THE MOST HIGHEST LEVEL OF TREATMENT TO BE OFFERED TO ANYBODY AT ANY TIME. NOT EVERYBODY REQUIRES THAT. SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE CALL 9 1 1, THEY REALLY DON'T NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN A, THAN A RIDE. BUT WE STILL ACCOMMODATE THAT AND WE GIVE THEM THE RIDE TO THE HOSPITAL, BUT IF THEY DO NEED MORE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO START THAT TREATMENT. RIGHT. THEN THEY HAVE SHOWN PROVEN TIMING AGAIN, THAT THE SOONER YOU START THE TREATMENT, THE LESS TIME IT TAKES FOR RECOVERY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WORKING THERE WITH OUR, WE HAVE THE, UM, WE HAVE GOOD PROGRESSIVE EVIDENCE-BASED PROTOCOLS THROUGH, UH, DR. TRACY AN TILL. HE IS, UM, THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR US AS WELL AS DANBURY. AND HE'S ALSO THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR ALVIN COLLEGE FOR THEIR EMS PROGRAM. SO YOU GET A CALL FROM NINE ONE ONE TO THE PD, EVERYTHING'S DISPATCHED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YES, SIR. AND THEN HOW DO YOU MAKE THE DECISION NOT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE SITE OR TO DO WHAT TO TREAT TO DECIDE WHO'S COMING CORRECT. HOW MANY CAR TRUCKS? WELL, YES. SO SOMETIMES WE CAN BASE IT ON HOW IT SOUNDS. IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY IT WAS A TWO OR THREE CAR ACCIDENT WITH MULTIPLE PATIENTS, UHHUH, WE MIGHT GO AHEAD AND SEND A SECOND UNIT. UM, SOMETIMES IF IT JUST SOUNDS SEVERE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S NOT BREATHING OR, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS LIKE A CARDIAC ARREST, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEND TWO UNITS. OR IF, IF TWO UNITS AREN'T ALWAYS AVAILABLE, SOMETIMES MYSELF OR, UH, DEPUTY CHIEF GOODEN WILL RESPOND AS WELL TO, TO BE THAT SECOND, SECOND SET OF HAND OR THAT EXTRA SET OF HANDS SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST LEVEL OF CARE AS POSSIBLE. AND IS 9 1 1 NOTIFIED THAT YOU'RE SENDING MULTIPLE UNITS OR IS THAT ONCE THE CALL GETS TESTED TO Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD? YEAH, WELL, NO, THEY, WE RESPOND BACK AND WE LET 'EM KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER AMBULANCE GOING. SO ALL OF OUR UNITS ARE NUMBERED. SO 54 12. OKAY. 13, 14. SO THEY'RE DISPATCHED THROUGH US. EVERYTHING THAT THAT'S RECORDED ON, EVERYTHING COMES THROUGH THE PD. IF, IF THEY WANT ANOTHER UNIT, THEY CALL, THEY WANT LIFE FLIGHT, THEY CALL, THEY WANT FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY CALL. YEAH. SO IF WE NEED, THEY CALL THE PD NEED, JUST THE RESOURCES WE CALL DISPATCH, DISPATCHES, THEY'LL SEND WHOEVER ELSE THAT WE NEED. AND ALL THAT'S ON THE RADIO? YES, MA'AM. REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY'RE AT. OKAY. THE RADIOS SUFFICIENT OR THE RADIO'S DOING THEIR JOB. IS COMMUNICATION WORKING? SO YES. UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY VERY SOON, I PROMISE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS. YES. SEEMS [00:10:01] LIKE 10. I KNOW. UM, TO WHERE, WHEN. SO, SO WE'LL DIMINISH RADIO TRAFFIC BY BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE, UH, ELECTRONICS, IPADS IN THE TRUCK THAT WILL HAVE DISPATCH NOTES, MAPS, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUSH A BUTTON AND, AND SHOW THAT WE'RE IN ROUTE OR ON SCENE. AND THAT WAY IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THEM WITHOUT HAVING TO COMMUNICATE OVER THE RADIO AND TIE UP RADIO TIME. AND THAT WAY IF THERE ISN'T SOMETHING ELSE WHERE MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER UNIT ON A SCENE THAT NEEDS A HELICOPTER, WE'RE NOT GOING, HEY, WE'RE GOING ON THE WAY. AND THEY'RE LIKE, I NEED A HELICOPTER NOW. AND THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH. SO WE'RE WORKING ON IT. SO IS THIS A SOFTWARE PROGRAM YOU'RE GONNA PURCHASE OR PURCHASE? WELL, WE HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED A SOFTWARE PROGRAM. THEY HAD TO INTEGRATE 'EM, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT INTEGRATION RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK. WELL, FIRE POLICE AND EMS, WE, WE WENT, Y'ALL APPROVED, UH, SINCE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET OR THE YEAR BEFORE BUDGET APPROVED THE, UH, NEW SOFTWARE. SO, UH, WE WENT TO THAT NEW SOFTWARE, AND SO FIRE'S ON IT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE FULLY ON IT. EMS NEEDS TO GET FULLY ON IT. AND THE RADIO SYSTEM ON THE, ON, ON, ON THE BACKSIDE, I, I'M, I'M IT IN LOWER PRESENTATION, BUT THE RADIO SYSTEM ON THE BACKSIDE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. THAT RADIO SYSTEM IS OLD. AND WE KNOW THAT, UH, AS, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEF DAWSON SAID, IF IT GOES DOWN, HOPEFULLY THERE'S A PART ON EBAY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW OLD IT'S MM-HMM . OUR PAGING SYSTEMS, I KNOW THE PAGING SYSTEMS ARE 1970S TECHNOLOGY. SO CHIEF AND, UH, LLOYD AND US NEED TO GET TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. EVEN, I MEAN, SWEENEY AND , A LOT OF THEM HAVE GONE TO APP BASED OR, YOU KNOW, WIRELESS. UM, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE REDUNDANCY BECAUSE LIKE AFTER BARREL, WE HAD ZERO CELL SERVICE IN MOST OF ANGLETON, SO THAT WOULD'VE ALMOST BEEN A NON USABLE SYSTEM. BUT WE DO DEFINITELY WANT TO MOVE UP INTO A MORE ADVANCED SYSTEM THAT WOULD HELP US DISPATCH QUICKER. AND THEN AS, AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, GETTING TO, INTO A PRIORITY DISPATCH TO WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RESPOND, LIGHTS AND SIRENS ALL THE TIME, REDUCES, YOU KNOW, RISKS IMMENSELY, IF WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. OKAY. SORRY. OH, YOU'RE, THANK YOU. UM, A LOT OF OUR EQUIPMENT IS, IS UTILIZED TO, TO HELP WITH, UM, TAKING CARE OF OUR PATIENTS. WE HAVE THE LUCAS, WHICH IS THE CPR DEVICE, THE AUTOMATIC CPR DEVICE. SO IF SOMEBODY GOES INTO CARDIAC ARREST, WE DON'T GET TIRED OR THE MACHINE DOESN'T GET TIRED, WE DO. SO WE CAN, IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN DO CONTINUOUS CPR. UM, OUR LIFE PACK MONITORS ARE ABLE TO DO LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS AS FAR AS EKGS. WE CAN LOOK AT HEARTS, HEART RATES, HEART RHYTHMS. WE CAN DETERMINE IF THERE'S A, A CARDIAC ARREST OR A IMMINENT CARDIAC ARREST OR, UH, HEART ATTACK. UM, OUR POWER LOAD STRETCHER SYSTEMS, THAT INCLUDES THE STRETCHER AND THE POWER LOAD. THE POWER LOAD IS A DEVICE THAT IS MOUNTED IN THE TRUCK, WHICH ALLOWS TO, WHICH PICKS THE STRETCHER UP WITH THE PATIENT AND LOADS THEM IN SO THAT IT REDUCES INJURIES TO OUR BACK. SO WE CAN KEEP THOSE INJURIES DOWN, KEEP PEOPLE ON THE, ON THE STREET WORKING AND, AND NO INJURIES. VIDEO LARYNGOSCOPY IS, SO IF WE HAVE TO INTUBATE SOMEBODY, WHICH IS BREATHE FOR THEM, PUT THE TUBE DOWN THEIR THROAT, THIS, UH, REDUCES ERRORS, UH, INCREASES THE FIRST TIME PASS AS WE CALL IT. AND, UM, THAT'S BEEN PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO REDUCE, UH, ANOXIC BRAIN INJURIES AND THE HAMILTON T ONE VENTILATORS, THOSE ARE USED ONCE WE HAVE TAKEN OVER THE AIRWAY AND WE WERE BREATHING FOR SOMEBODY. THESE VENTILATORS ARE SOME OF THE BEST ON THE MARKET. THEY HAVE AN AI INTEGRATION THAT ACTUALLY DETERMINES HOW MUCH AIR IS NEEDED SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVER-INFLATING, WE'RE UNDERINFLATING, WE'RE GETTING 'EM THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF OXYGEN AT ALL TIMES. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT, UM, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, ALL THE CITIZENS HAVE THE BEST CARE THAT WE CAN GET TO 'EM. AND DO YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT ON EACH OF YOUR THREE AMBULANCES? WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HAMILTON VENTS? WE DO, WE DO HAVE VENTILATORS ON ALL OF OUR TRUCKS. WE JUST DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO PUT ON ALL SIX, UH, UH, THE HAMILTON'S, BUT THEY ARE ON ALL THREE OF THEM. ALL THE, BUT ON ALL OF OUR FRONTLINE TRUCKS THAT ARE RESPONDING OUT, THOSE HAVE THE, THE TOP OF THE LINE VENTS THERE. OKAY. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL VENTS, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT THOSE, THEY'RE, BUT THEY STILL WORK. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD THEN. SO HOW MUCH, SO GOING BACK TO THAT PRE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UM, IF LOOKING AT ALL THIS EQUIPMENT, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE AGE OF THIS EQUIPMENT? UM, RIGHT NOW? WHAT'S THE CYCLE OF IT? ARE ARE, ARE LUCAS' ARE FAIRLY NEWISH. UM, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY WITHIN FIVE YEARS. UM, THE CARDIAC MONITORS, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT ARE NOT EVEN SERVICEABLE. THEY'RE SO OLD. AND THEN FOUR OF THEM THAT ARE, UH, PROBABLY GOT ABOUT MAYBE SEVEN YEARS LEFT BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH A NEWER MODEL. UM, THE STRETCHER SYSTEMS, [00:15:01] WE'VE FOUND THAT THE POWER LOADS ARE GOOD FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS, AND THEN THEY JUST PROBLEM AFTER PROBLEM. SO WHAT WE'VE BEGUN DOING IS REPLACING THEM WHEN WE DO A REMOUNT ON OUR AMBULANCE. SO REMOUNT, WE TAKE, PUT A NEW CHASSIS ON THE OLD BOX, HAVE IT REFURBISHED UP MM-HMM . AND THAT SAVES US A LOT OF MONEY AS WELL THERE. BUT WE'VE FIGURED THAT IT'S JUST BEST TO GO AHEAD AND REPLACE IT THEN BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE SO MANY PROBLEMS AFTERWARDS. THE STRETCHERS, WE CAN STRETCH OUT, WE CAN ONLY GET A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT ON 'EM FOR 10 YEARS THROUGH THE COMPANY. THEY WILL ONLY SERVICE THEM FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS, AND THEN THEY WON'T EVEN SERVICE THEM ANYMORE. UM, AND THE HAMILTON, THE VIDEO LEARN, JUST COPY. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE PRETTY GOOD. AND THE HAMILTONS ARE PRETTY NEW. WE JUST GOT THOSE LAST YEAR. WHAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ON THAT LIST? PROBABLY THE ROOF, UM, TO REPLACE ONE OF THE CARDIAC MONITORS WITH THE NEWER MODEL. UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT BRANDS, AND THEY'RE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 65 AND $75,000 EACH. UM, THE STRETCHERS, UM, AND POWER LOADS EACH INDIVIDUALLY, EACH COMPONENT OF IT IS, IS 32,000 EACH. SO A WHOLE SET SET UP IS 64. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE IT USED TO BE , UNFORTUNATELY. RIGHT. SO, UM, I KNOW WE, THE LAST TWO CARDIAC MONITORS WE GOT, WE DID LIKE A DEAL TRADE IN LAST MINUTE, END OF YEAR SALE THING. AND WE GOT TWO OF THE LIFE PACK FIFTEENS FOR 50, 55,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE NEW ONES CAME OUT. SO THEY WERE TRYING TO GET RID OF ALL THOSE OLDER VERSIONS SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE ROOM FOR THE NEW ONES. AND UNFORTUNATELY, AN EMS WORLD, WHEN THINGS LIKE THAT COME OUT, YOU NEVER BUY THE FIRST YEAR VERSION. AND RIGHT NOW EVEN THEY'RE IN THE YEAR TWO OF THOSE LIFE PACK 30 FIVES, AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE BUGS. SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHEN SOMEBODY, WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE ON LOANER RIGHT NOW, SO THAT WE CAN TRY 'EM TO SEE IF THEY, IF THEY, WE LIKE 'EM BECAUSE NOBODY'S HEARD ANYTHING MUCH GOOD ABOUT 'EM. AND THE OTHER BRAND IS I LIKE, BUT NOW I'M HEARING THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THAT AS WELL. SO IT'S ALL THOSE FIRST YEAR BUGS AND YEP. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. UM, SO THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF OUR, YOUR COMPARISON STATS FROM 2024 TO 2025. UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS OVERALL UNIT RESPONSE WAS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT IN INTO INCREASE THIS THIS YEAR. AND IT AVERAGES ABOUT THREE USUALLY. UM, WE CAN, WE CONTINUOUS, WE CONTINUALLY SUPPORT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, 2024 WAS A BIG YEAR BECAUSE WE HAD THOSE STORMS AND BARREL AND ALL THAT. AND SO WE WERE DOING A LOT OF STANDING BY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER DROPPED THERE ON FROM 24 TO 25, WE TRY TO KEEP OUR PUBLIC RELATIONS UP, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE OUT GETTING OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND DOING ALL OF OUR GOOD THINGS. AND SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES TEND TO FLUCTUATE YEAR TO YEAR. SOME WE'LL GO UP, SOME WE'LL GO DOWN. BUT OVERALL THE, THAT TOTAL RESPONSE IS GOING TO IS JUST CONTINUED TO RISE SINCE 1980, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2020. THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN UP. ARE THESE NUMBERS SPECIFIC TO ANGLETON OR THEY SURROUND AREA? NO. ARE THESE ARE OVERALL. OVERALL. OKAY. I HAVE SOME, I HAVE SOME ANGLETON NUMBERS IN A MINUTE. I WOULD, OKAY. LET'S TAKE TRANSFER OUT OF AREA. WHAT IS, I MEAN, UH, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE UTMB AND THEN RAPORT, AND THEN SOMETIMES WE WILL GO DIRECT TO LIKE PEARLAND OR HOUSTON OR GALVESTON. OKAY. SO WHEN IT SAYS, I'M JUST, WHEN IT SAYS TRANSPORT TO RAPORT, THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE TRANSPORT? NO, SO WE HAVE THOSE BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. SO MAJORITY OF OUR PATIENTS GO TO UTMB AND ANGLETON. UM, AND THEN SECONDARY IS, UH, CHI AND BRAS AND LAKE, LAKE JACKSON. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY'S IN PEARLAND OR YOU KNOW, PEARLAND DOES HAVE, OR IN THE OR SHARON AREA, WE MIGHT GO TO PEARLAND OR EVEN IF THEY'RE IN ANGLETON, BECAUSE PEARLAND HAS, HAS THE, UH, A FEW MORE OF THE ADVANCED PROCEDURES THAT THEY CAN DO. THEY HAVE THE, OH, I LOST MY BRAIN THERE FOR A SECOND. THE CARDIAC LAB WHERE THEY CAN DO STENT PLACEMENT. SO IF THEY'RE HAVING A, A HEART ATTACK, WE CAN TAKE 'EM THERE AND THEY CAN DO THE PCI RIGHT THERE. HCA? YES. AT HCA AND, AND HERMAN. BUT WE DO MORE A CA FOR THAT. WHO'S MAKING THOSE DECISIONS? THE MEDICS ON THE TRUCK. OKAY. SO THEY KNOW WHERE EACH FACILITY CAN HANDLE. UM, RIGHT NOW, LIKE, UH, UTMB ANGLETON IS A LEVEL FOUR TRAUMA FACILITY, WHICH MEANS THAT'S THE LOWEST, THAT'S THE LOWEST LEVEL. LEVEL ONE WOULD BE LIKE HERMAN OR GALVESTON. AND THAT'S THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION WITH ALL OF THE BELLS AND WHISTLES. UM, CLEAR LAKE IS A LEVEL TWO, UTMB. CLEAR LAKE IS A LEVEL TWO TRAUMA CENTER AND A COMPREHENSIVE STROKE CENTER AS WELL. SO IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING A STROKE THAT NEEDS EXTREME MEASURES, THEN WE CAN TAKE 'EM THERE OR GALVESTON OR, BUT [00:20:01] A LOT OF TIMES WE END UP PUTTING THOSE ON AIR MEDICAL AS WELL, BECAUSE THE TIMEFRAME, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR PUBLIC RELATIONS. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. EVERY TIME I SEE Y'ALL OUT AT AN EVENT, I KIND OF FEEL BAD. I APPRECIATE IT. FIRE DEPARTMENT BEATS US, BUT , I GOTTA WORK ON THAT ONE. WORK ON THAT. WE TRY TO GET OUT THERE. I ABSOLUTELY ADORE DOING PUBLIC RELATIONS EVENTS. I LOVE GETTING OUT THERE AND, AND MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC AND SEEING ALL THE KIDS AND THE FAMILIES AND EVERYBODY OUT THERE. YEAH. AND, AND HANDING OUT GOODIES AND DOING ALL THE THINGS. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO GET THOSE TO WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, OOPS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE EVEN CREATED OUR OWN COLORING BOOK INSTEAD OF BUYING 'EM BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRICEY. AND SO WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME THINGS TO TRY TO, TO, TO CALL THOSE, UH, PRICES DOWN AND SO THAT WE CAN DO THESE MORE AND HAVE MORE STUFF TO HAND OUT RATHER THAN JUST STANDING THERE WITH AN AMBULANCE GOING, HERE WE ARE. I WAS IN AN EVENT SOMEWHERE AND THERE WAS A CHILD STANDING BESIDE ME AND I SAID, DO YOU WANNA LOOK INSIDE THE AMBULANCE? WELL, YEAH. WELL, OKAY. CLIMB ON IN . SO, ALL RIGHT, LOOKING FORWARD. SO THIS IS KIND OF A OVERVIEW OF OUR, OUR, OUR PLANNING REPORT. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ADVANCING AS BEST WE CAN AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO MOVING FORWARD TO DELIVER THAT EXCEPTIONAL PATIENT CARE. WE ARE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY ADD ANOTHER DEPUTY CHIEF TO OUR LINEUP OF, OF ADMINIS OF OPERATIONAL ADMINISTRATION. UM, HAROLD DOES AN AMAZING JOB WITH THE, THE LOGISTICS SIDE OF THINGS. WE, I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET SOMEBODY IN THAT CAN WORK ON THAT CLINICAL ASPECT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY OVERSIGHT OF THAT VERSUS ONE OF THE LIEUTENANTS THAT'S ONLY THERE EVERY OTHER, YOU KNOW, EVERY SIX DAYS THEY'RE THERE FOR A COUPLE DAYS. UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS NEXT ONE, WHICH IS INCREASING STAFF RUNNING PEAK HOURS. OF COURSE, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN GO WOW. FOR, FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS. EVERY WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY HAS BEEN ASTRONOMICAL AND WE PUT AN EXTRA UNIT ON TO HELP COVER THAT VOLUME ON WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY AND TUESDAY AND THURSDAY THAT WEEK IS GONNA BE THE BUSIER DAYS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ON WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY. BUT WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO UP THOSE NUMBERS SO THAT THE, THE STAFFING SO THAT WE CAN HELP ACCOMMODATE. WE HAVE BEEN REALLY LIMITING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING OUT TO OTHER AGENCIES AND, AND HANDLING THAT ALL ON OUR OWN, WHICH HAS BEEN AN AMAZING OUT, UH, FEAT FOR US. UM, OF COURSE, RETEN, RETEN, RETAINING AND, AND INCENTIVIZING OUR CURRENT EMPLOYEES IS, IS KEY. AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY RECRUITING. WE DO VOLUNTEERS. UM, WE WERE DOING TWO THIS YEAR. WE HAD ABOUT 12 PEOPLE APPLY EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND WE, BECAUSE OF OUR SIZE, WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO TAKE ABOUT FIVE. SO WE HAD TO TURN DOWN SEVEN PEOPLE FOR A VOLUNTEER POSITION. UNFORTUNATELY. AND THE SAME THING'S FIXING TO HAPPEN. WE HAVE ABOUT 12 OR 13 APPLICANTS THAT ARE FIXING TO BE INTERVIEWED IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. AND BECAUSE OF OUR FIVE OR SIX, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL THAT WE ONBOARD IS ONE GOOD FOR US, WE'RE GOOD FOR THEM, AND WE CAN GIVE THEM THE BEST OPPORTUNITY POSSIBLE. AND BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT VERY BIG AND OUR FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS HAVE, DON'T, I DON'T WANNA OVERLOAD 'EM. SO THIS GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND THAT TIME WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL. AND SO IF WE CAN DO ABOUT FIVE OR SIX AND, AND KEEP, GET THEM THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO, UM, WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THE WHOLE BLOOD PROGRAM. UM, SOME OF Y'ALL MAY HAVE HEARD OF THIS, UH, LAST YEAR, A SENATE BILL ONE, THEY WENT IN AND ASKED FOR 4 MILLION, $4 MILLION TO IMPLEMENT A WHOLE BLOOD PROGRAM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THEY SAID NO. HOW ABOUT 10, LIKE FIRST TIME EVER, THEY'VE JUST LIKE, MORE THAN DOUBLED WHAT THEY OFFERED US EMS AS A WHOLE. SO, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THERE'S LOTS OF STUDIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT STARTING BLOOD IN THE FIELD NOT ONLY SAVES LIVES, BUT IT REDUCES THE, THE LOAD THAT IS NEEDED AFTER THEY GET TO THE HOSPITAL. SO ONE UNIT OF BLOOD BEFORE THEY GET TO THE HOSPITAL CAN REDUCE HOW MUCH THEY NEED IN THE HOSPITAL. IF THEY WAIT TILL THEY GET TO THE HOSPITAL, YEAH, THEY GET BLOOD, THEY MIGHT LIVE, BUT IT MIGHT TAKE 10 UNITS. WHEREAS IF WE CAN GET IT TO 'EM, IT WOULD ONLY TAKE FOUR. SO IT'S PUTTING A, OVERALL, IT'S REDUCING THE LOAD THAT'S NEEDED FOR BLOOD IN, IN THE SYSTEM. YOU HAVE CAPABILITIES TO DO THAT, STORE IT, RECEIVE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. THE THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT IS, IS GETTING THAT EQUIPMENT TO EVERYBODY. UM, SO SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT UP FRONT IS, IS A LITTLE PRICEY. AND THAT WOULD HELP COVER THOSE EXPENSES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON PUTTING WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A VENDING MACHINE FOR, FOR BETTER WORDS IN PAIR LAND SO THAT WE CAN JUST GO AND SWAP OUT. THERE IS A PROCESS. YOU DO HAVE TO BUY SPECIALIZED COOLERS AND REFRIGERATORS AND ALL THESE THINGS. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SUCH A, A VERY, YOU HAVE TO DO THINGS RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO DOCUMENT IT, YOU HAVE TO KEEP A LOG, YOU HAVE TO TURN THESE LOGS IN WITH YOUR BLOOD AND GET A NEW, NEW, NEW, UH, BAG TO GO WITH YOU. AND WHAT'S THE HOPEFUL TIMING ON IT? FUNDING AT EVERY PLACE? OH, THE FUNDING [00:25:01] IS THERE. IT'S JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESSES AND SO I WOULD SAY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR WE SHOULD BE UP AND RUNNING. SO BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, I'M HOPING, YEAH, THAT GOVERNMENT, THAT'S MY GOAL. YEAH. SO GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. SO, AND OF COURSE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING, WORKING TO EXPAND OUR CLINICAL OUTREACH. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT, UH, WHEN COVID HIT, WE STOPPED DOING ALL THE IN-HOUSE CLASSES 'CAUSE NOBODY COULD GATHER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE'RE REALLY WORKING TO, TO BRING THAT BACK UP. WE'RE DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO SEND PEOPLE OUT. THE RAC HELPS WITH REIMBURSEMENTS ON A LOT OF CLASSES, SO WE'VE USED THEM FOR, FOR REIMBURSING. SO THAT DOESN'T PUT SUCH A LOAD ON ON OUR BUDGET AS WELL. UM, NEXT, UM, WE'RE WORKING TO SECURE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO, FOR THE TRAINING AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. LIKE I SAID, THAT'S THE RACK. UM, OUR, OUR NEW BUILDING THAT WE CALL IS 1998. WE CALL THAT THE NEW BUILDING. IT'S NEW, THAT'S NEW. NINE NINETY EIGHT, NINETY EIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE CALL THE NEW BUILDING. I THOUGHT Y'ALL BEEN THERE LONGER THAN SINCE 98. WELL, WE HAVE, BUT THAT'S THE, SO WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS, RIGHT? OKAY. THE ONE IS 80, THE FRONT PART THREE AND THE OTHER ONE IS 98. SO WE CALL THE NEW BUILDING AND IT'S, AND IT IS FROM 98, SO, OKAY. UM, WE ARE WORKING ON, ON RE REVAMPING THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE DO HAVE SIX AMBULANCES IN FIVE BAYS. SO WE HAVE ONE THAT SITS OUTSIDE A LOT OF TIMES, UM, IT'S NOT THE SAME ONE, IT ROTATES, BUT STILL AT THE SAME TIME WE DO WANNA GET THAT COVERED. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING ON AN EXPANSION THERE TO, TO POSSIBLY HELP KEEP THAT COVERED AND, AND SAFER. UM, OF COURSE WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO REMOUNT THE, THE AMBULANCES THAT COMES ON A SCHEDULED BASIS. AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, CONTINUE REPLACING ALL OUR FRONTLINE EQUIPMENT. UM, AND I SPOKE ON A BUNCH OF THAT EARLIER. UM, OH, SORRY. KEEP WORKING ON GRANTS TO OFFSET EQUIPMENT COSTS. UM, I'VE BEEN WRITING GRANTS SINCE MY FIRST TIME AS DEPUTY CHIEF, WHICH WAS 11 YEARS AGO, AND I'VE BEEN AVERAGING ABOUT A THOUSAND TO $3,000 A YEAR TO AT LEAST HELP WITH SOMETHING. UM, SO WE'RE WORK DOING GOOD ON THAT. UM, SOME POSSIBLE SCHEDULE IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE I SAID, OUR GUYS WORK, 48 96 IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. IT'S, IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY. SOMETIMES THOSE 48 HOURS ARE TOUGH. I KNOW WHEN I WAS DOING IT AFTER 36 HOURS, I WAS DONE. I DID NOT LIKE THAT LAST 12. WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT IT'S TAKEN ON OUR, ON OUR STAFF. THE PROBLEM IS, IS IF WE SWITCH SCHEDULES, IT CREATES, RIGHT NOW IT'S A THREE SHIFT ROTATION, IT WOULD CREATE A FOUR SHIFT ROTATION. AND SO I WOULD HAVE TO HIRE ESSENTIALLY FIVE MORE PEOPLE TO FILL IN THAT EXTRA SHIFT. RIGHT NOW, OUR BUDGET DOESN'T HOLD THAT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M WORKING ON THOUGH, SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT GOING. AND THAT WOULD HELP. THAT'S AN ATTRACTIVE OFFER AS WELL. UM, AND FIRE AND EMS, UH, THE HOURLY RATE ISN'T ALWAYS THE GREATEST, BUT THE OVERTIME THAT'S ALREADY BUILT IN WORKING 48 HOURS A WEEK, IT STARTS TO ADD UP. AND IF WE SWITCH TO A A FOUR SHIFT SCHEDULE, IT TAKES AWAY A LOT OF THAT BUILT IN OVER TIME AND IT WOULD DROP THEIR ANNUAL SALARY BY OVER $10,000. SO IT'S NOT A SMALL DROP. AND SO THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. AND SO I'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UP HOURLYS AND INCREASE A LOT OF THINGS AND THEN OF COURSE, HIRE NEW PEOPLE. SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT I DON'T THINK SEE THAT COMING, BUT I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. UM, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR FUTURE SATELLITE STATIONS RIGHT NOW. UM, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING VERY MUCH FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE NEW ASHLAND STATION, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT POSSIBLY LOOKING AT OBTAINING OUR OWN PROPERTY WITH THE NEW STATION TO HELP US SO THAT WE CAN JUST RESPOND BETTER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE'LL ALWAYS BE MOVING FORWARD WITH TECHNOLOGY DATA DRIVEN STUFF SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET REPORTS EVERY MONTH FROM OUR BILLING COMPANY THAT SHOWS FROM OUR CHARTS, YOU KNOW, SUCCESS RATES ON DIFFERENT THINGS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US. AND NOW, UH, MOVING ON TO THE MONEY STUFF, WHICH IS NOBODY'S FAVORITE PART. UM, I DO JUST WANT TO MENTION A FEW THINGS HERE. UM, LITTLE DISCLAIMERS. SO, BECAUSE THE WAY A MS BILLING OPERATES, WE DO, UH, YOU KNOW, CASH BALANCE, UH, CASH ACCOUNTING VERSUS ACCRUAL, BOUNDING. I PICK YOU UP TODAY, I TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL DAY. YOUR INSURANCE PAYS IN NOVEMBER. SO WE BASE IT WHEN WE RECEIVE PAYMENTS. SO IF YOU, YOU KNOW, AND OUR FISCAL YEAR IS CALENDAR YEAR AS WELL, SO IF YOU GET PICKED UP IN DECEMBER, YOUR PAYMENT'S NOT COMING IN UNTIL FEBRUARY. SO THAT'S WHEN WE GET THAT PAYMENT. SO THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE. UH, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT SOMETIMES IF AND WHEN THEY WILL PAY. AND THEN IF THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MEDICARE OR MEDICAID, THOSE ARE SET GOVERNMENT RATES AND THEY'RE NOT NEAR WHAT THE CHARGE IS AND WHAT THE PRIVATE INSURANCES ARE PAYING. AND, AND SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE BILLING COMPANY HAS TO FILE MULTIPLE TIMES. IF [00:30:01] IT'S LIKE A CAR WRECK AND IT GOES INTO A LAWSUIT, I RECEIVE SUBPOENAS FOR RECORDS TO, TO SUB SUBMIT FOR ATTORNEYS FROM 2024 TODAY. YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, SOMETIMES THESE THINGS JUST GET REALLY DRAWN OUT. UM, SO OUR BUDGETING IS BASED ON A, UM, CONSERVATIVE FINANCIAL PLANNING. BASICALLY. WE KIND OF SEE WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR. WE KIND OF HOPE WE'LL DO THAT NEXT YEAR. AND WE GO FROM THERE. SO, UM, NEXT ONE, SUSIE. THESE, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T ALL OF, ALL OF OUR, UH, OUR REVENUE SOURCES. THIS IS JUST THE MAIN ONES. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR FEE FOR SERVICE, WHICH IS WHAT WE RECEIVE FROM INSURANCE BILLING, THIS IS OVERALL, THIS ISN'T, UM, BA BASED ON JUST IN, WITHIN THE CITY. SO YOU CAN SEE OUR FEE FOR SERVICE IS OUR BIG ONE. UH, FOR, FOR INSURANCE BILLING. UM, WE'RE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO HAVE THE ESD HELPING US OUT. UH, THE CITIZENS ARE STILL, UH, POURING INTO THE WATER BILL DONATION. WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT EVERY DAY. AND THEN OF COURSE, WHAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE CITY OF ANGLETON. DO YOU HAVE ANY FEELING THE WATER BILL DONATIONS. OKAY. UM, I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE FIXING TO LOSE SOME OF THOSE DONATIONS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN THE WATER, UM, INCREASING GARBAGE. BUT THE OTHER THING IS IT'S, IT WENT FROM THE DONATION WAS ADDED TO THE WATER BILL AND YOU WENT AND ACTUALLY GOT YOUR WATER SERVICE. NOW IT'S NOT ON THERE. YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO AND PHYSICALLY. RIGHT. AND SO YEAH, THEY DON'T, YEAH, I, I HAVEN'T, I DON'T HAVE A WATER BILL. I HAVE A, WELL, BUT I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FILLING, YOU KNOW, GOING AND SIGNING UP, YOU KNOW, GET A NEW HOUSE, YOU GO SIGN UP FOR YOUR WATER BILL AND THERE IT IS ON THERE. IT WAS FIRE AND WATER, BUT NOW IT'S NOT COMING OUT THAT WAY. SO WHY THAT WAS CHANGED? NO, LIZZIE ON THE APPLICATION, IT DOES SAY IT IS A DONATION AND IT'S TO BE CHECKED OFF BY THE CUSTOMER. IF THEY DESIRE TO DO THE DONATION, WE GO AHEAD AND ADD IT. SO WHEN THEY SIGN UP, I HAVEN'T SIGNED, WHEN THEY SIGN UP, IT'S PART, IT'S PART OF THE, THERE'S CHECK DISTRICTS CHECK BOX AND THEY, THEY ON THE APPLICATION AND THEY HAVE TO SIGN THAT THEY DO WANT THAT. OKAY, SO THAT'S A CHANGE. NO, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. OH, OKAY. I GUESS EVERYBODY JUST USED TO JUST CHECK ALL THE BOXES AND DIDN'T LOOK AT IT. NOW THEY'RE READING IT 'CAUSE IT'S MONEY. I GET IT, YOU KNOW, TIME. IT'S A, IT'S AN OPTIONAL, BUT I, I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT YEAH, THAT WE HAVE LOST BECAUSE THEY UH, THEY CAN, THEIR WATER BILL GOING UP AND RIGHT. GETTING, SO THEY'RE JUST MAKING THAT, THAT CHANGE. AND I DON'T, I DON'T BLAME GOOD NEWS. IS YOUR TRACK RECORD SHOWS GROWTH? YES, EXCEPT FOR 2022. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 22 AND 23. I WAS, I WAS, SO I WAS CURIOUS WHAT MADE IT THAT'S PRETTY DRAMATIC WAS MY 23 AND 24 AND SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS GET OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T RECEIVE THAT WATER BILL PAYMENT UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR. SO WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ALL 12 MONTHS IN ONE YEAR, BUT THE NEXT YEAR WE RECEIVED 13. OH, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT THAT ONE IS. YEAH. WELL, WHAT IS YOUR DONATION AGAIN, SUZIE? IT'S A DOLLAR 50. UH, 4 4 54 0 4 50. I'M SORRY, FOUR 50 FOR, FOR EMS. IT, IT DID GET RAISED. UM, I REMEMBER IT, IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS 28 18 I THINK IS WHEN IT WENT UP. I THINK. SO LIKE I SAID, THESE, THESE AREN'T, THESE AREN'T ALL OF OUR INCOMES. THESE ARE THE MAJORITY OF IT THOUGH. AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF, OF WHERE WE'RE GETTING OUR MONIES FROM. WHY DID ESD FUNDING GO DOWN? UH, THAT ONE WAS BECAUSE THEY PURCHASED A STRETCHER FOR US WITH THAT. SO THAT WAS, IF YOU, IF YOU ADD 32,000 OF THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT WOULD'VE ACTUALLY BEEN. SO WE, WE TOOK A CUT TO, TO, FOR THEM TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE NEW STRETCHER AND YOUR FEE FOR SERVICES GOING UP. SO THAT MEANS YOU ARE GETTING PAID? WE ARE, WE ARE GETTING PAID. GOOD. SO WHAT IS YOUR COLLECTION RATE? DO YOU KNOW? I DO, I DO NOT KNOW. I I COULD GET THOSE NUMBERS AND HAVE 'EM FOR YOU, BUT I DO NOT KNOW THAT ACTUALLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT LUCILLE USED TO TALK ABOUT EXTENSIVELY ABOUT HOW HARD IT WAS TO GET PAID IN. I WILL , WE HAVE, WE USE, UH, A COMPANY THAT THEY ARE THE, I THINK THEY'RE THE NUMBER ONE BILLING AGENCY FOR MEDICAL BILLING IN THE COUNTRY. UM, THEY JUST ABSORBED NUMBER THREE AND ANOTHER ONE LAST YEAR. SO WHO, WHO DETERMINES WHAT ESD GIVES YOU? ESD? UH, IT'S AN ESDI MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ASK AND WE, AND EVERY YEAR WE [00:35:01] USUALLY ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEY, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SEEMS LOW FOR ESD BECAUSE Y'ALL DO A LOT IN THE COUNTY AND, UH, SOMETIMES WE CALL ESD WHEN Y'ALL TOLD US TO CALL THEM AND THEY SAY WE CAN'T DO IT WHILE YOUR OTHER HAND. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST GOTTA SD IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THAT'LL BE FUNNY LITTLE BIT MORE. SO THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FUNDING IS, IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'LL SEE ON IN THE FUTURE SLIDES WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE OUR DIFFERENCES IS IN, IN CITY BUDGET IS PROBABLY ABOUT THAT IN THE COUNTY AS WELL. SO I MEAN, THEY'RE KIND OF COVERING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEIR DIFFERENCE IS FOR THEM. AND THEY HAVE TO FUND FOUR EMSS AND 13 FIRE DEPARTMENTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, NOW I GUESS YOUR PO WHEN YOU, THEY DID CHANGE THEIR MUTUAL AID POLICY WHEN YOU, YOU SAY THAT THEY, YOU WE CALLED FOR AN AMBULANCE AND THEY SAID NO, YOU NEED TO HANDLE IT. THAT POLICY WAS CHANGED A COUPLE YEARS AGO BECAUSE YES, THEY DID NOT MUTUAL AID OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF MANVILLE. UM, BUT THEY DO NOW. I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE. WELL WE, WE, WE DON'T CALL 'EM THAT OFTEN. WE USUALLY CALL, UH, DANBURY, UM, BECAUSE DANBURY DOES GET FUNDING FROM THE ESD ALSO. UM, AND THEN IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHERE IN OUR SERVICE AREA THAT, THAT CALL THAT WE CAN'T HANDLE IS. SO IF IT'S ON OUT IN BARX, WE WOULD CALL CENTRAL EMS OVER TO MUTUAL AID, NOT ESD. EVEN THOUGH SOME OF BARX IS ESD FUNDED. DID YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME WE WERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BILLING THEM FOR, FOR DISPATCH SERVICE AND THEN THEY ENDED UP SENDING Y'ALL THE BILL. IT'S SEND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE BILL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I CHECKED E-S-D-S-D IS, IS HAS A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE. ESD THREE HAS A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE. SO THAT'S ALL I, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. NEXT SLIDE. YEAH, I'M MOVING ON . UH, SO THIS JUST PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF HOW WE INVEST THE RESOURCES THAT ARE ENTRUSTED TO US. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR, OUR INCOME, OUR EXPENSES, EXCUSE ME, MAJORITY OF OUR EXPENSES AS MOST EMS AGENCIES GOES TO PAYROLL, UH, BENEFITS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE FUEL TO KEEP THE TRUCKS ON THE ROAD, MEDICAL SUPPLIES TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT. AND THESE ARE NOT EVERYTHING, THESE ARE JUST A, A, A SECTION OF IT. SO YOU CAN SEE FOR THIS, THIS YEAR WE, WE BUDGETED 3.375 MILLION AND WE EXPECT THAT OUR, UH, PAYROLL AND 401K AND TAXES AND ALL THAT WILL COME UP TO ABOUT 2.164. SO THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL. HIT CAPITAL A LITTLE OVER 60%, SIR. MAJOR HIT TO CAPITAL. YES SIR. SO WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD A OFF YEAR THIS YEAR WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING TO, TO REMOUNT AN AMBULANCE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THAT, UM, NUMBER WAS ABLE TO COME DOWN AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE BUILDING, RE UH, YOU KNOW, REFRESH THE BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT REPAIRS LINE, IS THAT WHERE THE BUILDING YES SIR. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH YOUR FUEL COSTS ARE GONNA GO UP? HOPEFULLY NOT TOO TERRIBLY MUCH. YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. UM, WE PURCHASED A LITTLE VAN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO TO HELP WITH THE, THE LONGER INTERFACILITY TRANSPORTS AND THAT'S CUT DOWN ON THE FUEL USAGE AS WELL. SO, SO, UM, ARE YOU PUTTING ANYTHING BACK? IS THAT A BALANCE? IS THAT A NET ZERO. NET ZERO. OKAY. IS WHERE WE IS WHAT IS, HOW WE BALANCE IT. UM, AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SOMETIMES THERE IS A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER, BUT WE TRY TO NET ZERO IT SOMETIMES, LIKE LAST YEAR WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF EXCESS AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO BE ABLE PURCHASE THOSE NEW VENTS TO HELP US OUT. SO WHILE THE, THE NUMBERS ARE, ARE CONSTANTLY INCREASING, WE STRIVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY. UM, WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE OUR PERSONNEL ARE NUMBER ONE. WE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE, THEY CAN, BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT, WE HAD THE BEST EQUIPMENT IN THE WORLD. IF THE GUYS DUNNO HOW TO USE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY HAVE IT. SO MAKING SURE THAT OUR PERSONNEL ARE, ARE TRAINED AND, AND TAKEN CARE OF IS, IS THE NUMBER ONE. AND THEN OF COURSE ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT AND RESOURCES NEXT. SO THIS ONE IS THE ONE THAT IS MORE EXCLUSIVE TO JUST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF ANGLETON. SO FOR 25 YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS AND THEN THE, EXCUSE ME, THE TOTAL CITY UNIT RESPONSES IS THAT SECOND NUMBER. AND THEN, SO THAT'S OUR FIRE APARTMENT CALLS. WE DID 3,490 AMBULANCE RESPONSES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. [00:40:04] UM, THE FEE FOR SERVICE INSURANCE, THAT'S JUST WHAT WE BUILT. WE, WHAT WE BILLED AND RECEIVED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY. AND THEN THE WATER BILL DONATION, UH, FOR THAT SUBTOTAL OF 1.58 MILLION. UH, THE DISPATCH ALLOWABLE IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE IN PREVIOUS TENURES. MINE LOOPY Y'ALL'S WHERE INSTEAD OF US PAYING FOR DISPATCH, WE'VE DEDUCTED THAT FROM, FROM OUR, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, IF YOU WILL, UH, FOR 50,000. UM, SO THEN THAT, THAT, THAT TOTAL THERE IS 1.53. OUR EXPENSES THAT WE SPENT WAS 1.76 MILLION. UM, AND THAT'S LESS THE, AND YOU SEE THE CAPITAL LINE IS BLANK 'CAUSE WE'VE LEFT THAT OUT. THESE ARE JUST DAILY EXPENSES, PAYROLL SUPPLIES, FUEL FOR, WITH CALLS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF ANGLETON. WE TOOK CAPITAL OUT 'CAUSE THAT WOULD REALLY SKEW THESE NUMBERS AND THAT LEAVES A DIFFERENCE OF $230,000. UM, AND YES, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE, BUT WE WERE STILL ABLE TO RESPOND. WE'RE STILL HAPPY TO HELP OUT. WE'RE STILL ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE CITY. GO GOING IN DEPTH ON THE EXPENSES LINE, THAT 1.8 MILLION OR 1 7 6, THE, UH, ARE YOU ALLOCATING YOUR COST BASED OFF THE NUMBER OF CALLS OR ARE YOU OFF THE TOTAL REVENUE? WHICH ONE ARE YOU USING? IT'S, IT'S, I'M NOT EVEN REALLY SURE HOW IT'S DONE. IT'S DONE THROUGH THE BILLING COMPANY AND THEY TAKE ONLY THOSE CALLS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY AND, AND THEN THEY FIGURE UP THOSE NUMBERS ON WHAT IT, WHAT OUR EXPENSES WERE FOR, FOR THE, FOR THAT. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT SO SOME OF THE EXPENSES ARE ALSO OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO STAFF THAT AMBULANCE FOR IT TO SIT WHEN IT'S NOT MAKING CALLS AND THEN IT'S HOW MUCH A CALL COST US WHEN WE'RE RUNNING IT IN THE CITY AND HOW MUCH IT GETS REIMBURSED. UM, IT'S INCLUDING IDLE TIME AS WELL, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. WELL IT'S BETTER THAN THE PRE PREVIOUS YEAR. YEAH, LIKE I SAID, OUR BILLING COMPANY DOES REALLY GOOD STUFF. SO I KNOW LAST YEAR, UM, WELL LEMME START. SO YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONTINUED GROWTH, UM, TRAFFIC, EVERYTHING'S, UH, THE DEMAND IS GOING UP FOR 9 1 1 FOR EMS, FOR FIRE, FOR POLICE. UM, AS THE PATIENT, AS THE COMMUNITY AGES, WE GET MORE PATIENTS ON MEDICARE. UM, WE DO HAVE A, A HIGH MEDICAID RATE OR UNINSURED RATE AND THAT, THAT HINDERS US AS WELL. IT DOESN'T RESULT IN A LITTLE BIT LOWER REIMBURSEMENT OVERALL. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO STILL PAY THEIR BILLS EVEN IF THEY ARE UNINSURED. SO WE DO GET PRIVATE PAY AS WELL JUST FROM INDIVIDUALS. SO WE'RE NOT MISSING OUT ON, ON EVERYTHING. UM, AND DESPITE THE, YOU KNOW, REMAINING COST AT $96,000 FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS OR I THINK YEAH, FOUR YEARS MM-HMM . UM, WE, WE WE'RE STILL ABLE TO, TO MAKE, MAKE THINGS WORK AND EVERYTHING. UM, SO JUST TO, TO KEEP US IN LINE AND, AND MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW LAST YEAR I CAME AT YOU WITH A BIG SOLID NUMBER AND THAT WAS PROBABLY, OR NOT LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO. UM, PROBABLY NOT THE BEST REQUEST. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO MOVING FORWARD, AND IT DOESN'T MAY NOT HAPPEN THIS YEAR AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MOVING FORWARD I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, A PERCENTAGE INCREASE. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE DOING LIKE A 6% INCREASE ANNUALLY FOR UP TO 10 YEARS AND THEN LOOKING AT ABOUT A 3% ANNUAL INCREASE. UM, BEYOND THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF ANYTHING ELSE. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM ABSOLUTELY MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE. HOW MANY OF YOUR PATIENTS ARE MEDICARE? MANY ARE MEDICAID. AND HOW MANY ARE UNDERINSURED? THE MAJORITY OF IN, IN, IN, IN EMS, THE MAJORITY OF YOUR PATIENTS ARE ALL GONNA BE MEDICARE RIGHT? PATIENTS. OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS. I JUST KNOW IT'S, IT'S A BIG NUMBER IF IT'S THE MAJORITY THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. SO IS EVERY ONE OF THEM GONNA BE BILLED THE SAME AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONE OF THOSE BILLINGS IS GONNA BE PICK A NUMBER, $250 SHORT? NO. UM, BECAUSE IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TREATMENT IS DONE IN THE BACK OF THE AMBULANCE, RIGHT? SO YEAH, EVERY CALL IS PRETTY MUCH, YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT BILLING THINGS OKAY. IS WHAT IT IS. YOU HAVE THE, THE BLS RATE, WHICH IS BASIC LIFE SUPPORT, UHHUH, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT RATE UHHUH, THEN YOU HAVE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT RATE, UH, TOO. OKAY. WHICH HAS MORE MEDICATIONS GIVEN, YOU KNOW, INNOVATIONS, STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT EVEN THE, BUT MEDICARE IS ONLY GOING TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT UHHUH. UM, SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT THAT YEAH, OUR ALS TWO COSTS. WE, WE GET IT ANNUALLY, WE GET A MEDICARE RATE FOR OUR AREA. WHAT, WHAT IT'LL PAY. SO IF EVERY, EVERY [00:45:01] PATIENT WAS JUST, THE MINIMUM WAS JUST THE EASIEST CALL YOU HAD IS EVERY BASIC, IS EVERY ONE OF THEM GONNA BE SHORT GOING IN BY $5, A HUNDRED DOLLARS, $500, A THOUSAND, A THOUSAND DOLLARS SHORT, YOU'RE GONNA ONLY BE REIMBURSED X AND THAT'S ON AVERAGE. SO A BASIC, A BASIC MEDICARE RATE WOULD BE ABOUT WITH, WITH ONE MILE OF WOULD BE ABOUT $600 UHHUH OR A LITTLE LESS UHHUH. AND OUR BILLING RATE WOULD BE ABOUT 15, 5 0, 15, 15, 1 5. SORRY. $15? NO, $1,500. OKAY. GETTING THE BILLING 15, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. YEP. YEAH. SO IN E IN EMS WHERE YOU LOSE YOUR MONEY, WHERE YOU LOSE YOUR BIGGEST THING IS THOSE IDLE HOURS. MM-HMM . BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PREPARE THOSE, THOSE THREE TRUCKS BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CALLS AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE CALLS RIGHT, YOU DON'T GET REIMBURSED. WOW. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO STAFF UP TO COVER 'CAUSE THERE'S SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S NOT, WE MAY HAVE 30 CALLS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD UHHUH, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE 26 OF 'EM IN A SIX HOUR WINDOW. UHHUH AND FOUR OF 'EM IN THE, IN THE OTHER 18 HOURS. AND SO WE TRY TO FIND THOSE HOURS WHERE THEY'RE MOST LIKELY TO HAPPEN. AND WE TRY TO STAFF UP THERE. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT AND WE DO IT WITH, WE USE PART-TIMERS. WE DON'T BUILD ANY OVERTIME. IF WE HAVE EXTRA VOLUNTEERS OR PART-TIME STAFF UHHUH, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO FILL IT IN THERE THAT WAY SO IT DOESN'T COST TOO MUCH MORE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S BEEN JUST GET HIT AND DUMB LUCK WHERE WE'RE ON THOSE DAYS, WE DO FOUR CALLS DURING THE DAY AND THEN EIGHT CALLS AT NIGHT. RIGHT. SO, AND ANYTIME YOU DON'T TRANSPORT A PATIENT, YOU'RE USUALLY NOT GOING TO GET PAID. SO MEDICARE DOES NOT BELIEVE IT FOR A TREAT IN IN PLACE PROTOCOL. YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO TRANSPORT. THE ONLY TIME THAT MEDICARE WILL PAY YOU TO TREAT A PATIENT IN PLACE IS UNFORTUNATELY IF THEY'RE DEAD. AND SO IF THERE, THERE, THERE'S A BIG EMS ADVOCATE NATIONWIDE TO, TO TRY AND FIX THIS PROBLEM. 'CAUSE WE CAN GET THERE AND WE CAN TREAT SOMEBODY, WE CAN LEAVE THEM GOOD AND SAVE INSURANCE COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR THE REST OF THE RIDE. THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR THE HOSPITAL BILLS. BUT THE HOSPITALS ARE LIKE, NO, 'CAUSE THEN WE WON'T GET PAID. SO THEY'RE KIND OF FIGHTING AGAINST US IN THAT ASPECT OF THINGS. BUT THERE IS A BIG ADVOCACY GOING ON TRYING TO GET THE TREAT IN PLACE. UM, THERE WAS AN E THREE E TRIPLE T MODEL THAT CAME OUT YEARS AGO WITH MEDICARE AS EMERGENCY TREATMENT, TRANSPORT AND SOMETHING ELSE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. RIGHT. AND, AND IT GOT SQUASHED AND IT WAS, WE WERE ALL EXCITED. WE'RE LIKE, YES, WE'RE GONNA GET PAID FOR TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S A DIABETIC AND THEY, THEIR SUGAR GOES LOW. WE CAN GET THERE, WE CAN FIX THAT PROBLEM. WE'LL, WE'LL WE, AND WE, AND WE DO THAT FROM TIME TO TIME WHERE WE JUST GET THERE, WE START AN IV, WE GIVE 'EM SOME, SOME FLUIDS WITH SOME EXTRA SUGAR IN IT, AND WE GET THEIR SUGAR UP AND THEY'RE CONSCIOUS AND THEY DON'T WANNA GO TO THE HOSPITAL. OUR GUYS WILL EVEN STICK AROUND AND MAKE 'EM A SANDWICH SO THAT THEY HAVE SOLID SUGARS ON BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN DO THESE THINGS AND STAY AT HOME. DO YOU STILL SEND THE BILL? YES. OKAY. UM, MEDICARE LAW STATES WE HAVE TO FILL IT, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY MAY NOT PAY IT. RIGHT. OR THEY MAY ONLY, BUT YOU STILL SEND A BILL. CORRECT. OKAY. OR THEY MAY PAY $5 A A MONTH. YEAH. OR A DOLLAR A MONTH OR IT'S, BUT YOUR PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES ALSO FOLLOW THIS, FOLLOW WHAT MEDICARE IS. RIGHT. SO IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A, I MEAN EVEN IF THE CAR WRECKS WE CALL TO, IF WE DON'T TRANSPORT, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING. THE LYFT ASSIST THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE STILL HAVE TO SEND THEM A BILL UHHUH, BUT YOU MAY NOT SEE ANYTHING FROM IT. AND IS IT, I'LL ASK IT LATER. . THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YES. THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THAT 96,000, IT HASN'T MOVED. CHIEF GARCIA IS GONNA FLIP OUT WHEN I ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT IF WE WERE TO RUN OUR OWN EMS MM-HMM . AND MOST OF THE TIME IT'S RUN THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER AREA, CITIES AND WHAT THEY DO, WE WOULD BE ABSORBING THAT COST EVERY YEAR. CORRECT. AND HOW, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE, LET'S SAY I WANTED TO GO HIRE, UM, AN, AN PERSON TO DO EMS WORK, UM, LIKE ANNUAL SALARY FOR A PARAMEDIC. YEP. UM, TO GET ANYBODY GOOD. STARTING, STARTING AROUND 80 TO 85,000 A YEAR AND WE'VE GONE PLUS OVERTIME PLUS. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ANNUAL SALARY. THAT'S INCLUDING OVERTIME. AND WE'VE, WE'VE GONE FOUR YEARS WITHOUT INCREASING YOU. I WAS JUST, YOU WERE ASKING FOR 10% AND SIX, SIX, 6%. WELL, [00:50:01] SIX, 6% OVER 10 YEARS IS $171,921 AND 37 CENTS AT THE END OF THAT 10 YEARS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW JOHN FEELS ABOUT THIS, BUT I, I'M MORE NORMALLY MORE, LET'S GET UP FRONT, LET'S GET UP FRONT IN ONE YEAR AND THEN THIS INCREMENTAL. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO TRY TO FILL A GAP. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CATCH UP. I MEAN, EVENTUALLY WE'D LIKE TO BE THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING WITHOUT HAVING TO STRUGGLE. RIGHT. I MEAN, I WAS, I WAS JUST RUNNING SOME NUMBERS AND I WAS LIKE, WELL WE GAVE YOU 5% EVERY YEAR THAT THAT GETS YOU FROM 96,000 TO 123,000 BY FISCAL YEAR 32. UM, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL 21,000. UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO MAKE, TAKE SOME ACTION AND START WORKING ON THIS. YOU, BUT THERE'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN. YOU ARE, YOU ARE SHOWING GROWTH ON THE WATER BILL CONTRIBUTIONS, SO THE CITIZENS ARE PAYING MORE. UM, OH, NOW THAT'S JUST A PASS THROUGH STRAIGHT FROM THE CITIZENS. CORRECT. UM, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DO HAVE AN AGING POPULATION. WE DO HAVE AN EXPANDING POPULATION. UM, THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED OF IS THAT, AND KIND OF CHIEF HIT ON IT TOO, IS WE'RE, IF WE START FUNDING YOU MORE, BUT CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE BEEN PRETTY STEADY IN THE CITY. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, WOULD WE BE FUNDING MORE FOR THE OUTSIDE OF CITY PE? YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN. ABSOLUTELY NOT. SO WE'RE KIND OF STUCK IN A RUT RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET BIG, YOU KNOW, EXPAND, DO MORE. UM, THIS WOULD JUST HELP US IN THAT DIRECTION. UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE EXPAND AND DO MORE IN WHAT CAPACITY, UH, BEING ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKER AND STAFF UP MORE TRUCKS, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING HERE AND AS WELL AS OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ELSEWHERE. YEAH. I I REALLY THINK IT'S A NECESSITY AT THIS POINT. UM, AND SO DEMONSTRATED TO YOUR, YOUR, TO YOUR THING ABOUT ALSO ABOUT THE CITIZENS CONTRIBUTING. IT'S LIKE, SO NEXT YEAR WHEN WE DO THIS ALSO, IF THE CITIZENS HAVE CONTRIBUTED A LOT MORE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T NEED ANOTHER 5%. WE COULD ADJUST THAT. WE COULD ADJUST EVEN DOWN. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO, IS IT, IT IT'S NOT JUST A ONE SIDED THERE, THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THIS. AND I THINK AS LONG AS YOU'RE GETTING THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING YOU NEED EVERY YEAR TO PAY FOR GOOD EMPLOYEES, PAY FOR GOOD EQUIPMENT. I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A COMMERCIAL FOR YOU, BUT THE, UH, I REALLY THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE SIDE OF THE CITY IS, IS COMMENDABLE AND YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. VERY HIGH LEVEL SERVICE AND WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE Y'ALL. UM, IT JUST PERSONALLY, I, Y'ALL RESPONDED TO MY MOM A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND SHE WAS IN BAD SHAPE AND Y'ALL GOT HER THROUGH AND GOT HER, GOT HER THERE REAL QUICK. I'M GLAD I APPRECIATED THAT. AND THEY WERE VERY PROFESSIONAL, VERY HELPFUL. UM, BUT I THINK ALL OF OUR SERVICES, WE, WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST SERVICES IN, IN THE SIDE OF THE CITY BETWEEN FIRE EMS AND, AND UH, PD. SO HOW DO WE FUND IT? THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS THE QUESTION, RIGHT, SUSIE? YES, SIR. CAN WE FIND $5,000? YES SIR. YES. WE'LL GO THROUGH THE BUDGET IN A MINUTE, BUT CAN I SPEAK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOING EMS THING? ARE YOU SAYING THEY DON'T DO A GOOD JOB? NO. ON THE FIRES, THEY DO A WONDERFUL JOB. BUT I'M, I'M, I'M A, I'M A NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOULD NOT BE AN EMS BECAUSE THAT FIREFIGHTER THAT YOU PUT, THAT YOU FORCED TO BE ON AN AMBULANCE DOESN'T WANNA BE THERE. THEY WANNA GO BE ON THAT FIRE TRUCK FIGHTING THOSE FIRES. RIGHT. AND SO YOU GET LACKLUSTER PATIENT CARE AND I WILL USE HFD AS THE PRIMARY ONE. I CAN TELL YOU THE PATIENTS, I, I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND WHEN THEY'VE TREATED FAMILY MEMBERS THAT THE, THOSE FIREFIGHTERS DON'T WANNA BE THERE. THEY'RE FORCED TO RIDE ON THAT AMBULANCE. I AGREE. I, MY THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP IS JUST FOR THE COUNCIL KNOWING YEAH. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE Y'ALL, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY OF PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND TYPICALLY WOULD GO THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO BUY AN AMBULANCE. AND THAT'S THE, AND, AND I'VE, I'VE GROWN UP, WE'VE, WE'VE BOTH BEEN, YOU KNOW, IN ANGLETON FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UM, I'VE SPENT MOST OF MY LIFE HERE, AND I, I TELL OUR EMPLOYEES THAT MY FAMILY LIVES HERE AND I WANT YOU TO TREAT THEM JUST LIKE YOU WOULD TREAT YOUR OWN FAMILY. AND SO THAT OUR ORGANIZATION SIZE IS WHAT AND WHAT HELPS, AND WITH SUPPORT OF THE CITY AND EVERYBODY, THAT'S WHY WE CAN DO WHAT WE DO FOR Y'ALL. WHAT OTHER CITIES IN OUR AREA HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? FREEPORT AND PARAMEDICS, [00:55:01] AND IT, FREEPORT. FREEPORT. SO, SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE FREEPORT THING. SO FREEPORT DOES THAT. AND SO IF THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL FIRE, THEY TAKE THE PEOPLE OFF THE AMBULANCE TO FIGHT THE FIRE, RIGHT? AND SO THEY HAVE TO CALL IN, UM, THE CITY OF CLUE, CITY OF LAKE JACKSON TO COME DO THEIR AMBULANCE CALLS. THEY'VE CALLED US TO DO THEIR AMBULANCE CALLS ON WHEN THEY HAVE A BIG FIRE, BECAUSE THEY TAKE ALL THEIR PEOPLE OFF THE AMBULANCE TO FIGHT THE FIRE. IT'S RARE, IT'S FOR A CITY THIS SIZE, IT'S NOT VERY COMMON. NOT VERY COMMON, YES. UNLESS IT'S A SUPER WEALTHY CITY OR THEY HAVE A ESD SUPERFUND THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. AND, AND MOST OF YOUR AGENCIES IN MISSOURI COUNTY, THEY'RE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE VOLUNTEER UHHUH. UM, IT'S, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AGENCIES IN TEXAS EMS AGENCIES THAT ACTUALLY ACCEPT VOLUNTEER MEDICS ANYMORE. UM, BECAUSE THEY, THE WAY THE STANDARD OF CARE ON THE AMBULANCE HAS, HAS GONE UP AND UP AND UP. IT TAKES A LOT OF TRAINING AND A LOT OF CONTINUING EDUCATION. AND THE VOLUNTEERS, THEY DON'T WANNA DO THAT, OR THEY JUST WANT TO COME IN AND RIDE ON THE AMBULANCE. THEY DON'T WANNA GO LEARN. THEY DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO, TO KEEP THAT UP. SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE DO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ACTUALLY STILL COME VOLUNTEER WITH US. 5,000 OFF. SIX FIVE. ABOUT 6%, YEAH. LITTLE LESS. I TOTALLY AGREE THAT YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EMS ARE ABSOLUTELY GREAT, AND I'LL NEVER TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM Y'ALL. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO, I THINK THAT DISPATCH, UH, NUMBER IS A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WHEN WE TRIED TO BILL FOR THAT WAS TO PAY FOR ONE DISPATCHER, BECAUSE NOW, AND I I, I'M, I'M SURE Y'ALL KNOW IT, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL KNOWS IT, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE NO LONGER TAKES THE 9 1 1 CALL. THEY'LL TAKE IT WHEN THEY GET THERE, AND THEY'LL TRANSFER 'EM TO US IF IT'S IN THE COUNTY. SO THEY DON'T GIVE IT LIKE THEY USED TO BEFORE. THEY TAKE THE INFORMATION AND, AND SEND IT TO OUR DISPATCHER. NOW OUR DISPATCHERS ARE TAKING ALL THE, THE STUFF FROM THE COUNTY ESDS STUFF. SO YOUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING FOR, UH, FOR US TO TAKE CARE OF THE FOLKS IN SD. SO I THINK THE 50,000 IS A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER. I JUST, I WAS, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS GET 'EM TO PAY FOR ONE DISPATCHER POSITION, BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT. AND A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T UNDERSTAND. THESE GUYS ARE TERRIBLY BUSY, TERRIBLY BUSY, BUT WHEN THEY'RE BUSY, SO IS THE CITY DISPATCH CENTER AT THE SAME TIME? AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS IN THE CITY. SO THEY'RE TAKING A NINE ONE CALL FROM, WE'LL PUT SOMEBODY ON THE HIGHWAY OR FROM THE, THE PRISONS. AND I'VE BEEN THERE WITH THEM PRISONS. I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THEM , BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND THEM WHEN THEY'RE ON 9 1 1 AND, AND YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DID, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT. NOW OUR DISPATCHERS ARE TAKING ALL THE CALLS FROM 9 1 1 FROM THIS, FROM THE COUNTY, COUNTY, JUST TRANSFERS 'EM OVER TO US FOR AN AMBULANCE FOR EVERY AMBULANCE. NO, NOT AMBULANCE AND FIRE, AMBULANCE AND FIRE, AMBULANCE AND FIRE. NOT THEIR CALLS, BUT AMBULANCE AND FIRE. SO I JUST WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR DISPATCHERS. OH, YES. YOUR DISPATCHERS ARE WONDERFUL. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT MY POINT IS TO LET Y'ALL KNOW HOW HARD THEY'RE WORKING FOR THESE GUYS. YEAH. I THINK WE'RE GONNA FIND ANOTHER 5,000 THROUGH THIS, THIS BUDGET CYCLE. UM, YEAH. ARE YOU COMMITTING FOR 10 YEARS OR EACH COUNCIL? I'M NOT COMMITTING TO ANY FOR FUTURE YEARS YET, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL. BUT I MEAN, EACH BUDGET'S A DIFFERENT BUDGET, RIGHT? AS Y'ALL ALL KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE, WE DON'T WANNA TIE A FUTURE COUNCIL. WE DON'T WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW THAT YOU, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, BUT I THINK IT IS SO SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT WE'VE GOTTA START FINDING SOME WAY TO FUNDING YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO KEEP THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WHERE IT'S AT. WE DON'T WANNA GO BACKWARDS. YEAH. AND WITH, WITH TRAFFIC BEING THE WAY IT IS, THAT'S WHY WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A NORTH, A NORTH SIDE, YOU KNOW, STATION ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO, TO CUT THAT RESPONSE TIME DOWN WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT CUT THE RESPONSE TIME DOWN, AND JUST THE RESPONSE IN GENERAL. BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE GO OUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS AND SIRENS, THE THE RISK OF OF GETTING INTO AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING HAPPENING IS, IS ASTRONOMICALLY HIGHER. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S PUSHING FOR IS WITH THE, UH, EMDS. SO THAT WAY THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CALL COMES IN, IF THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I JUST FELL, UH, SLIPPED OUTTA MY CHAIR, I'M FINE. THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS NOW, WE'RE STILL RUNNING EMERGENCY TRAFFIC. BUT WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EMD, THEN THAT WOULD REDUCE THAT TO A LOWER LEVEL CALL THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD BE LIKE, YEAH, WELL, YOU'LL HAVE SOME, WE'LL SEND SOMEBODY, YOU'LL HAVE 'EM IN 15 TO 20 MINUTES OR 30 MINUTES OR HOWEVER LONG, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SYSTEM. UM, THERE'S SOME SYSTEMS, UH, I THINK SAN ANTONIO'S KIND OF A BIG ONE, BUT THEY'RE SO, THEY'RE SO TAXED. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, WHEN PEOPLE CALL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, UH, TRIAGE THE PATIENT OVER THE PHONE AND BE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, SOMEBODY WILL BE THERE IN ABOUT AN [01:00:01] HOUR AND, AND NOBODY'S COMPLAINT. THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS. UM, AS LONG AS THEY KNOW SOMEBODY IS COMING, THEY'RE GOOD WITH IT. THEY, THEY REALIZE THAT THEY'RE NOT EMERGENT. SO THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, YEAH, WHATEVER. LONG AS I GOT SOMEBODY COMING, THEY'RE HAPPY. SO, LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO WORK ON TOGETHER. UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE. HAPPY TO HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH Y'ALL. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S GO, GO AHEAD AND GET THE 26 27 BUDGET STARTED. WE'LL LET COLLEEN TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS FOR THE CITY. GOOD MORNING. UM, THE SLIDE I WANTED TO PRESENT FIRST TO YOU IS, THIS IS, UM, TML DATA. UM, AND HOW OUR, WHAT OUR PREMIUMS ARE GOING FROM 2026 TO 2027. UM, THIS, UH, THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY DOWN THE BOTTOM DOES NOT INCLUDE THE WIND, FLOOD OR CYBERSECURITY, WHICH IS QUOTED NEXT MONTH FOR CYBER AND WIND AND FLOOD IS IN THE SPRING. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A 9,000 OR SOME ODD, UM, INCREASE IN PREMIUM. WE WILL GET A 2% DISCOUNT ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS PAY IT TIMELY. SO THEY GIVE US A DISCOUNT. UM, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THIS IS A FIRM NUMBER BECAUSE I'VE JUST INCREASED SOME VALUES OF SOME VEHICLES. UM, AND WE'VE JUST HAD TWO SERIOUS VEHICLE, UM, LOSSES, SO IT COULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT HOW THE AUTO IS RATED. UM, THE WIND, I'M ESTIMATING AT ABOUT 215,000 FLOOD, 3,500 AND CYBER 16,000. UM, SO TO THAT ALONE WOULD BE 2 34 5. UM, WHERE IS THE CYBER, THE, THE CYBER IS NOT LISTED HERE. IT'S BEING QUOTED RIGHT NOW. WE JUST FILLED THE APPLICATION OUT. OKAY. AND HOW MUCH WAS IT? UM, I'M GUESSING IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 16 OR SO, AND WE'VE HAD IT BEFORE. WE'VE HAD IT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND WHAT WAS IT LAST YEAR? UM, IT WAS ABOUT 13, BUT I DO KNOW IT'S GOING UP. UM, AND I JUST SHOWED YOU THE CLAIMS THAT WE'VE MADE, WHAT WE'VE PAID ON THOSE CLAIMS. UM, OF COURSE, THE 2026 IS ONLY THROUGH JUNE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE VEHICLE LOSSES. UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, IF YOU SEE AN ASTERISK, IT'S BECAUSE CLAIMS IN THAT YEAR ARE STILL OPENING, BEING PAID. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TML? I AM GETTING ANOTHER QUOTE FROM A LOCAL AGENT TO SEE IF WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY ON ONE OF THESE LINES OF BUSINESS. UM, I ANTICIPATE HEARING SOMETHING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. UM, JUST, JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, YES. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE HOPING TO INDEMNIFY OURSELVES AGAINST WITH CYBERSECURITY INSURANCE? WELL, UM, IF YOU HA, LUCKILY JASON CAUGHT IT EARLY, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT THAT LEAKS, UM, DATA ADDRESSES, PHONE NUMBERS, SOCIALS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, THAT COMPANY WILL TAKE OVER NOTIFYING PEOPLE. UM, OF ALL THE BREACHES, IF WE HAVE A LOSS OF MONEY, IF THEY STOLE MONEY FROM US AND THEY GOT THAT FAR, WE, UM, WE CAN RECOVER SOME OF THOSE FUNDS FROM THE INSURANCE POLICY. ANOTHER PIECE THAT IT, UH, COVERS IS IN THE EVENT THAT YOU DO HAVE A DATA BREACH AND DATA IS LEAKED TO THE DARK WEB, UM, WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A YEAR'S WORTH OF CREDIT MONITORING, UH, YOU KNOW, DARK WEB MONITORING FOR CITIZENS THAT WOULD APPLY FOR IT. AND SO IT WOULD COVER THE COST OF PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES TO POTENTIALLY 7,000. SOMEBODY SCREW UP SOMEBODY ELSE. PLUS, WELL, HOWEVER MANY 20 WE HAVE, WHAT, 25, 30,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ANGLETON. SO IT KIND OF, IT COVERS THE FEES FOR THAT IF EVERYBODY WERE TO OPT IN AT THAT TIME FOR THAT SERVICE. THAT'S THE BIG PIECE OF WHAT THE INSURANCE PROVIDES. WE DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, THIS, THIS PAST TIME 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEED, NEED TO. WE CAUGHT IT EARLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. UM, I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, I SPOKE WITH OUR HEALTH BROKER, AND I KNOW EVERY YEAR WE HAVE NUMBERS VERY LATE IN THE YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE A JANUARY ONE PLAN YEAR. UM, WE DO, WE ARE USING USI SOUTHWEST BEGINNING JULY 1ST, AND INSTEAD OF THE FORMER CONSULTANT, UM, THEY HAVE, UM, PROMISED ME THAT WE WILL HAVE NUMBERS MUCH EARLIER EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD. HOWEVER, [01:05:01] BECAUSE THEY TOOK IT OVER JI ONE, THE REVIEW OF THEIR DATA SHOWS, UM, A VERY LARGE INCREASE, WHICH, UM, WE KNOW EVERY YEAR WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT 20%. THEY COME IN ABOUT 15 TO 18 THIS YEAR. I'VE BEEN TOLD ON THE MARKET IT'S LOOKING LIKE 35%. NOW, I DID TALK TO THEM AND I SAID, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS NOT WHAT I'VE GOTTEN BEFORE, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED DATA TO GO FROM. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, BUT AT THIS POINT IT IS LOOKING AT 35 PRE-NEGOTIATIONS. SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NEGOTIATE FIVE TO 8% DOWN FROM THAT FIGURE. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN GIVEN, I'M HOPING THEIR 35 IS INACCURATE. UM, WHY DID WE SWITCH? UM, WE SWITCHED BECAUSE WE WERE BECOMING ONE OF THOSE CITIES THAT WERE, UM, NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO HAVE ENOUGH SERVICE FROM THE CONSULTANT. SO USUALLY A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU GO WITH A CONSULTANT, UM, THEY'RE THERE ALL THE TIME WHENEVER YOU NEED THEM, WHENEVER YOU WANT THEM. AND THEN AS THINGS GO ALONG, YOU BECOME THE SMALLER CLIENT. YOU'RE NOT, UM, ON THE, ON THE RADAR AS MUCH. UM, ALSO BECAUSE, UH, THE OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH THAT ARE USING USI SOUTHWEST, THEY ARE GETTING A LOT OF DISCOUNTS. THEY ARE GETTING THEIR NUMBERS IN AUGUST INSTEAD OF OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME. AND I KNOW THAT THAT WOULD HELP US GREATLY. UM, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE COST WHATSOEVER. IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE JUMP. I ASKED ABOUT A, AN OCTOBER TO OCTOBER RATE, BUT THAT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE DID FOR IT DOING FOR A JANUARY TO JANUARY RATE. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT IT IS INSURANCE COMPANIES. UM, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE GREAT, UM, INFORMATION FOR YOU ON THE HEALTH PLAN. UM, I KNOW SUSIE'S GONNA BE DISCUSSING, UM, THE WAGE AMOUNT OF INCREASE FOR THE WAGES. AND SO THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS MORNING IS MY BUDGET IS FLAT. I HAVE NOT INCREASED ANYTHING OR ADDED ANYTHING. WHO'S NEXT? SUSIE? YES. ME. WHAT I HAVE HERE IS THE BALANCING TO THE BUDGET FOR 26, 27. BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I WILL LET CHIEF ALDE GO FIRST. THIS WAY HE CAN DISCUSS HIS BUDGET. ONLY REASON I'M UP HERE AT THAT MONSTER BACK HERE. THEY CAN GET YOU ANYWHERE OVER HERE. THEY CAN'T GET YOU IN THAT ON CAMERA. WE KNOW I PUT THESE IN FRONT OF YOU. SO OUR BUDGET'S GONNA BE EASY BECAUSE THE SAME THING AS COLLEEN, WE'RE DOING THE FLAT BUDGET THAT WE DID LAST YEAR. HOWEVER, I DO WANT Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE STILL NEED THOSE, UH, POSITIONS. WE STILL NEED TASERS, WE STILL NEED PATROL CARS. UH, BUT THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. SO, BUT I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, MR. MAYOR, MR. MAYOR, ALWAYS ASK ME ABOUT THE SEIZURE FUND. I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE, OKAY? BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A WHOLE LOT WITH THAT. THE CITIZENS THAT AREN'T HAVING TO PAY FOR AS FAR AS UNITS, UH, OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS HAVE GONE WAY UP BECAUSE ON AVERAGE YOU SHOULD HAVE A POLICE CAR ABOUT THREE YEARS. WE KEEP 'EM ANYWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN TO 10. WELL, WHEN YOU'RE NOT BURNING THEM UP, WELL NOT BURN THEM UP OR NOT RECKON. YES, SIR. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT KEEPING THEM MUCH EVEN NEAR THREE YEARS, DO YOU? NO. THOSE WERE 25 MODELS. BRAND NEW. YEP. SO, BUT THE ONES THAT WE OWN, AND UNFORTUNATELY THOSE WERE WERE NEWER ONES. THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T BURN UP OR WRECK THE, THE 17 MODELS. OF COURSE NOT. YEAH, RIGHT. SO, BUT THE ONES WE OWN, WE STILL OWN QUITE A FEW CARS. BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THOSE UNITS, UH, LIEUTENANT MOORE AND LIEUTENANT PARSONS HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS JOB, UH, WITH THOSE UNITS BECAUSE THE ONES YOU JUST DECLARED SURPLUS, THE FIVE YOU JUST DECLARED SURPLUS, WE STRIPPED THOSE THINGS. WHEN I SAY STRIP 'EM, WE'VE TAKEN TRANSMISSIONS AND PUT 'EM INTO CARS THAT ARE IN SERVICE THAT ARE [01:10:01] THE ONES THAT AREN'T SERVICEABLE. WE'VE TAKEN ATED CONVERTERS, WE'VE TAKEN TAILLIGHTS, WE'VE TAKEN, UH, HEADLIGHTS. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN MOVE TO ANOTHER CAR AND MAKE IT, UH, RUN. WE'VE DONE THAT AND THEY'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IN SAVING THAT MONEY. UH, WHO DOES THE WORK? UH, SWALLOWS DOES, DOES MOST SWALLOW WORK? IF IT'S WARRANTY WORK, UH, WE'LL GO TO, UH, WAIT. MEAN IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRINTING A TRANSMISSION, TAKING ONE OFF AN OLD FIELD, TURN ON A NEW ONE. WE'LL SWALLOW USUALLY DUST TEST. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, UH, USUALLY, UH, WILL HELP US OUT AND TELL THEM BACK AND FORTH AND, UH, WE'LL GET THEM SWAPPED OUT. SO IT'S IT WHERE TRANSMISSION WOULD END UP COSTING SIX, $7,000. WE ONLY PAY A FRACTION OF THAT CAR TO GET THEM, BUT IT'S THERE WORK. UM, TASERS, THE TASERS THAT YOU SEE ON, ON, ON YOUR PAPER, IT'S ABOUT 200, OVER $250,000 TO REPLACE OUR TASERS. SO ONE MAN'S TRASH IS ANOTHER MAN'S TREASURE PRECINCT. TWO CONSTABLE WILLIE HOWELL. THEY GOT, UH, NEW TASERS. SO WE ASKED, HEY, CAN WE HAVE YOUR OTHER TASERS? BECAUSE THE TASERS, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TECHNOLOGY COMPANY. THEY'RE GONNA TAKE STUFF OUT OF SERVICE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA, YOU GOT, THEY GOT BETTER ONES AND THEY WANT YOU TO SPEND MORE MONEY. SO, UH, THE COUNTY SAID THOSE THINGS ARE STILL WORTH SOME MONEY. SO IF YOU PAY US SOME MONEY, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GIVE YOU TASERS. SO WE PAID THEM $500 FOR 13 TASERS AND A LOT OF OTHER STUFF THAT WE DIDN'T TELL 'EM ABOUT. OH, THIS IS IMPORTANT. HOWEVER, THOSE 13 TASERS WOULD'VE COST US A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY SO THAT THE, ALL, ALL OF OUR OLD ONES THAT ARE OLD AND PLUS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S OFFICE, THEY DON'T USE THOSE TASERS. WE USE THEM. I'M SURPRISED THEY EVEN HAVE THEM, BUT YEAH, , YEAH, THEY GOT BRAND NEW ONES. BUT WE TAKE, WE GOT 13 TASERS PLUS SOME OTHER STUFF, AND WE TAKE, TOOK THAT 500 OUTTA SEIZURE FUND AND PAID THE COUNTY FOR THOSE, FOR THAT STUFF. THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE IN THE BACK, IT'S A NICE BUILDING. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY HERE TO SEE IT. IT'S FOAM INSULATED. IT HAS A, UH, WE RAN ELECTRICITY TO IT. IT HAS ONE OF THOSE SPLIT UNITS, MINI UNITS ON THERE. SO WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT IS THAT BUILDING FOR? SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE ASKED, OKAY, BUT WHEN WE HAVE CRIMES THAT INVOLVE A VEHICLE, THAT VEHICLE HAS TO BE SECURED SOMEWHERE. WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING PRIOR TO THAT IS PUTTING IT IN OUR SALLY PORT. THAT SALLY PORT IS USED TO BRING PRISONERS IN. SOMETIMES PRISONERS, AS WE HAD A REAL GOOD EXAMPLE YESTERDAY, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO JAIL. AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THEY NEED TO BE SECURED FOR OUR SAFETY AND FOR THEIR SAFETY AS WELL. WHEN THAT, UH, SOUND PORT IS, IS FILLED WITH A CARD AND WE HAVE TO PRESERVE FOR EVIDENCE, WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THEM INTO JAIL SOME OTHER WAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE USE THAT BUILDING FOR. WE'VE UTILIZED IT A COUPLE TIMES. IT'S A NICE BUILDING. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LINDER. UH, HE BROUGHT US SOME, UH, MILLED ASPHALT. WE PUT, WE USED IT AS A FLOOR. SO, UH, THAT BUILDING WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF PROBABLY ABOUT 20,000 BY THE TIME WE GOT DONE WITH EVERYTHING, SEIZURE FUNDS, COMPUTERS, UH, JASON ALWAYS ASKED ME WHAT LINE I'D BE GONNA TAKE THIS FROM. WE TAKE, WE BOUGHT A COUPLE OF COMPUTERS, FOUR DIFFERENT OFFICES. WE'VE ALSO BOUGHT FIVE LAPTOPS THAT GOES IN PATROL CARS. AND HOPEFULLY THAT ONE DIDN'T GET BURNT BAD. SO, UH, SEIZURE FUNDS, THOSE ARE ALL PURCHASED WITH SEIZURE FUNDS. NO COST TO, TO ANYBODY ELSE. UH, TRAINING. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT OUR TRAINING BUDGET IS HIGH. IT'S NOT HIGH. YOU NEED TO THANK OUR STATE LEGISLATURE FOR GIVING, KEEP, GIVING US ALL THESE UNFUNDED MANDATES TO HAVE THESE FOLKS TRAINED. WE HAVE TO DO THERE. THERE'S NOT A, JUST LIKE EMS, WE HAVE TO, AND FIRE. WE HAVE TO TRAIN ON CERTAIN THINGS. EVERY TIME THEY, THEY HAVE A LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE TO TRAIN. WE'VE TRIED TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND I WILL GIVE HAROLD VAN GROUP A VERY HIGH RANK FOR KEEP BEING CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR TRAINING BUDGET. YOU KNOW, AS, UH, SYSTEM CHIEF DOSER ALWAYS SAID, IF THEY WANNA GO TO UNDERWATER BASKET WEAVING, WE WON'T, WE WON'T DO THAT. WE WANT 'EM TO HAVE ALL THE REQUIRED TRAINING PRIOR TO, AND THEN TO GO INTO UNDERWATER BASKET WEAVING. WE DON'T SEND 'EM UNDERWATER BASKET. WE JUST LET YOU KNOW. SO THE TRAINING, THE TRAINING BUDGET IS STILL, WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH IT. IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH IF WE HAD TO GO DO IT. BUT, UH, WE'RE KEEPING A FLAT BUDGET. YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING IN [01:15:01] ANYTHING THAT SAYS PROPOSED. WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THE THINGS WE'VE DONE. WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE UTILIZING THAT SEIZURE FUND. OUR GUY WHO IS IN THE TASK FORCE IS DOING ONE HELL OF A JOB. AND YOU KNOW, THE DRUG DEALERS PAID FOR ALL THIS STUFF THAT THE CITIZENS DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR. RADIOS. RADIOS. THAT'S ON OUR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BECAUSE THAT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. IT'S ABOUT $5 MILLION TO GET THAT BACK END OF THE RADIO DONE. AND, UH, HAROLD ALSO WAS GONNA GET THE, UH, TAKE AN INVENTORY OF ALL THE RADIOS THAT WE GOT, BECAUSE THE LAST COUPLE EMERGENCY MANAGERS, WE GOT NEW RADIOS. SO THE PD IS GONNA GET THE NEWER RADIOS AND BRING THE OLDER RADIOS OVER HERE OR USE DURING EMERGENCIES. THE TIMING ON ALL OF THAT. OR NEW RADIOS. NEW RADIOS, OH, TO CHANGE ALL THAT, HAROLD'S DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. THE MAYOR'S GOT HIM BUSY. I DO, HE'S GOT A BUSY, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S WORKING HARD. BUT YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOARD, THAT IS HIS BUDGET. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING HE HAS IS A $30,000 INCREASE. AND THAT'S TO MATCH OF A GRANT. OTHER THAN THAT, HIS BUDGET IS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. CRIME VICTIM SERVICES, UH, PERSON THAT'S GRANT FUNDED. SO THAT'S PART OF THAT MATCH. SO SHE DID ASK FOR AN INCREASE AND WE WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING HER THAT INCREASE $5,000. BUT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, AND I'LL MOVE OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER SIDE, CITY MANAGER SIDE'S FLAT ALSO. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE. NOTHING'S CHANGED ON THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL. MY INSTRUCTION TO THEM FOR, FROM THE ACTING CITY MANAGER'S POSITION, WAS, WE'RE GONNA OPERATE ON THIS BUDGET. THEY'RE GONNA COME UP HERE AND ASK YOU FOR ALL THIS STUFF. IF YOU TELL 'EM THEY CAN HAVE IT, SUSIE'S BACK THERE IN THE BACK. SHE'S, I SEEN HER LOADING UP THOSE KNIVES. SHE'S GONNA SHOOT 'EM AT Y'ALL. IF Y'ALL TELL'EM, THEY CAN HAVE IT. SO MY INSTRUCTION TO THEM WAS, WE'RE STAYING WITH WHAT WE HAVE. BUT AS A COUPLE OF Y'ALL TOLD ME, IF YOU DON'T ASK, WE DON'T KNOW. SO THEY'RE GONNA ASK. BUT WE'RE STAYING WITH THE SAME BUDGET. IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME THINGS COME OUT LATELY THAT, UH, ARE FOR DIFFERENT POSITIONS, THIS, AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS FOR EVERYBODY. THIS CITY HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IN DOING, COMING FROM WHERE WE WERE A YEAR AGO, TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, TO SEE THAT NUMBER, THAT RED NUMBER UP ON TOP, IT'S BEEN ALL THESE DIRECTORS, ALL THESE EMPLOYEES, AND MOST OF ALL, SUSIE. SO MY ADVICE TO Y'ALL WOULD BE DO WHAT SUSIE WANTS BECAUSE SHE'S TAKING CARE OF US. SHE HAS, AND THESE DIRECTORS AND EMPLOYEES HAVE DONE ONE HELL OF A JOB TO MAKE THIS CITY LOOK GOOD AND MAKE YOU GUYS LOOK GOOD AS COUNCIL PEOPLE AND REWARD THEM WITH WHAT SUSIE IS ASKING. NOW, WHAT LUPE'S ASKING OF WHAT SUSIE'S ASKING, BECAUSE SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE'S DONE A ONE HECK OF A JOB FOR WITH THIS BUDGET. SHE AND I CAN CALL EACH OTHER ON. WE JOKE ABOUT IT. WE CAN CALL EACH OTHER ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY EXTENSION TO EXTENSION 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE THERE. AND SHE'S BEEN THERE LATER AT NIGHT A LOT WORKING ON THIS BUDGET. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES. PD. YEAH, THEY'RE MINE, BUT ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR, AND THEY'RE DOING ONE A HELL OF A JOB. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON ANYTHING? NO, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE HELD TO THE BUDGET AND TESTAMENT TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT LEADERSHIP YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVING. AND I MEAN, I'M, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE BUDGET. I TOLD SUSIE THAT YESTERDAY TOO. I SAID, YOU'RE GETTING THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS DONE AND WE'RE GIVING YOU THE, THE, I GUESS, ABILITY TO GO OUT AND GET THIS EQUIPMENT. WE ARE FIXING THE RESERVE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. WE STILL HAVE NOT BEEN REIMBURSED BY FEMA. SO IT'S A TESTAMENT TO WHAT THIS GROUP HAS DONE WITH WITHOUT THAT FEMA REIMBURSEMENT. ABSOLUTELY. AND, UH, WE NEED THAT FEMA REIMBURSEMENT. UH, IT IS HOLDING BACK A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO. UM, BUT GETTING OUR RESERVES BACK TO CLOSE TO 25% IS EXCELLENT. ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WERE WE AT SUSIE A YEAR AGO? YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 15%. YEAH. WHEN AS LOW AS EIGHT BEFORE THAT. YES. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. 8%. 8%. YEAH. THAT'S, IT'S ONE HELL OF A NO. AND IT'S THE TESTAMENT TO SUSIE, NUMBER ONE. BUT TO ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE WORKED AND HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD [01:20:01] WITH WHAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, I THINK TANNER SAID IT LAST BUDGET YEAR IS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE WORKING WITH THAT. ANYWAY. THEY DID IT. THEY DID IT. AND THEY'RE STILL CONTINUING TO DO IT. AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT ANOTHER, AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR. SO WE'LL GET THERE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. JUST THE WAY YOU DO IT AT YOUR HOUSE, MAN, BUCKLE DOWN. BE MISERABLE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND AFTER THAT THEN WE'RE, WE GOT EVERYTHING SQUARED AWAY AND WE'RE SMOOTHS SAILING. I WILL SAY THIS, AND THIS IS FOR ANY DIRECTOR THAT HAS A ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. AND I TOLD THIS TO SUSIE LAST NIGHT, IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE BESIDES PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX, SO YOUR DRUG SEIZURE FUND, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY EVENTS, FUND, HOTEL, MOTEL, JUST ALL THESE THINGS, THAT'S NOT YOUR EXTRA MONEY. THAT IS THE CITY'S MONEY. AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE FEE, WE HAVE FEES AND SCHEDULES. THAT MONEY SHOULD BE GOING BACK INTO HELPING SUPPORT THE JOURNAL FUND IN SOME CASE. AND I'LL STAND BEHIND THAT 100%. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THAT DRUG SEIZURE MONEY IS USING IT TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THE JOURNAL FUND EXPENSES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT EVERY, EVERY ONE OF THESE FUNDS SHOULD BE DOING A, BLC. UM, ALL THE, EVERYONE WHO HAS A FUND BALANCE SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT SHOULD BE HELPING. WE'RE GOVERNED BY LAW ON, I KNOW ON THE CAESAR FUND ON A LOT OF STUFF WE CAN DO. 'CAUSE I KNOW ALL THE TIME, YOU, YOU AND SUSIE HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID, HEY, WE CAN TAKE THAT FROM CAESAR FUND. I SAID, SURE, I'LL PUT YOUR NAME ON THE WARRANT. . NO, IT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE LEGAL. I'M NOT SAYING TAKE MONEY AND MOVE THINGS ILLEGALLY. I'M SAYING THAT IF IT'S AN EXPENSE THAT YOU WANT AND IT MEETS THE REQUIRED CRITERIA, THEN YES, IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD COME FROM THERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO OFFSET EXPENSES FROM THE GENERAL FUND. I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT OUR GUY THAT, THAT WE HAVE UNDERCOVER, I, I SHOWED THE MAYOR THE OTHER DAY, AND EVEN IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO SEE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HE'S DONE LATELY SAVED HIM. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY LIVES THAT HE'S SAVED WITH THE STUFF THAT HE'S TAKEN OFF THE STREET. WE STILL HAVEN'T GOT THAT MONEY BACK IN. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, MAYBE I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY TO Y'ALL AS COUNCIL. EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU. OUR GUY IS AT THE TIP, ANGLETON POLICE DEPARTMENT IS AT THE TIP OF THE SPEAR IN ONE OF THE LARGEST OPERATIONS THAT THE FBI HAS DONE IN THIS NATION. NOT IN THE COUNTY, NOT IN THE STATE, IN THIS NATION. HE GOT INVITED TO WASHINGTON, DC TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. AND UH, HE, HE'S, HE'S KNOCKING IT OUT. HE'S KNOCKING IT OUTTA THE PARK. SO HE'S GOING A LOT FURTHER THAN THAT FREEDOM PARK PROJECT. GOING DO WHAT? DOING A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THAT FREEDOM PARK PROJECT'S DOING. OH. I'M TELLING YOU, ANYTHING ANYONE'S DOING MORE THAN THAT ONE. POSITIVE. POSITIVE. THAT WHAT'S POSITIVE? AND, AND I'M JUST LETTING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE, UH, EMS PEOPLE KNOW YEAH. AT THESE PUBLIC EVENTS. BUT WE GOT DRUG, BUT WE GOT DRUG SEIZURE MONEY. I'M FIXING TO BUY SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA KNOCK Y'ALL OUT. OOH. . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANT, BUT OKAY. RIGHT NOW. NOT DRUGS. OH, SO, UM, Y'ALL ARE JUST LOOKING FOR, UM, FOUR OFFICERS CURRENTLY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO THEN IT WOULD BE, UM, 38 TOTAL. IF, IF WE WERE TO HIRE ALL FOUR UNDERHILL, WE HAVE 37. WE'RE ASKING FOR THREE MORE. THREE MORE. 38, 39, 40. I WENT TO SCHOOL NOW I HAD TO USE MY FINGERS. SO YES, 40. BUT WE HAVE, WE HIRED, UH, TWO THAT ARE TRAINING, CURRENTLY. TRAINING, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER GUY COMING ON, UH, PROBABLY NEXT WEEK. SO JUNIOR CPA IS NEXT WEEK. SO IF Y'ALL WANNA STOP BY, PLEASE STOP BY AND TALK TO SOME OF THEM KIDS. BUT WE'LL HIRE HIM NEXT WEEK. AS I TOLD Y'ALL BEFORE WE GET APPLICANTS, WE WILL NOT HIRE JUST ANYBODY. AS LONG AS I'M SITTING UP HERE, WE'RE STILL GONNA GET QUALITY PEOPLE. SO HELP US OUT WITH THANK YOU FOR THE COMP STUDY. THAT'S GREAT. UH, AND I KNOW PEOPLE, PEOPLE FROWN ON COMP PLUS THE WHATEVER RAISE YOU GIVE, BUT WE'RE STILL BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. EVEN IF YOU GIVE US THAT, WE'RE STILL LOW. WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW DURING RECRUITING IS WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON ALL THE STUFF TO COME BACK, THE COUNTY'S CALLING THEM AND SAYING, HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU 25 CENTS MORE. WE'LL GIVE YOU A DOLLAR MORE. AND THEY'RE LEAVING. THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT THEN, SIR, WE'LL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIGHT. WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA FIGHT. AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES. I MEAN, I WISH WE COULD HAVE AN 11 YEAR AVERAGE LIKE MS DOES, BUT LLOYD'S GOT MONEY, YOU KNOW, . SO OUR AVERAGE PATROL OFFICER EXPERIENCE IS A YEAR AND [01:25:01] A HALF. SO, AND THOSE FOLKS THAT WE HAVE ARE DOING A, A GREAT JOB. YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU SEE IT ON MONTHLY REPORTS. I DON'T HAVE TO PUT OUR STATS UP HERE. YOU SEE IT ON MONTHLY REPORTS. THINGS ARE DOWN. WE'RE GETTING TO WHERE WE'RE REACTIVE, NOT PROACTIVE. I DON'T LIKE THAT. SO, UH, YEAH, LOOK AT THE REST AND LOOK AT THE TICKETS AND LOOK AT STUFF. WE'RE BEING REACTIVE TO CALLS. SO THIS MONTH, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT 'EM YET, THEY'LL BE OUT. RESPONSE TIMES ARE STILL GOOD. SO THANK Y'ALL FOR THE CARDS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. I'M NOT APPRECIATIVE OF THE GUYS THAT HAVE WRECKED CARS OR BURN CARS, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE ONES THAT WE HAVE. THEY LOOK VERY NICE. UH, LIKE I SAID, THE COMPUTER'S IN THOSE CARS WERE PAID FOR BY SEIZURE FUNDS. SO THANK YOU DRUG DEALERS FOR YOUR SUPPORT. YES. ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME? UH, HOW DO YOU KNOW, AND THIS MAY BE A LITTLE OFF THE BEATEN PATH, DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR AWAY WE ARE FROM, UH, FROM GETTING, UH, AT LEAST THE PDS VEHICLES OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THIS LEASING PROGRAM? SU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE REST OF THE CITY OUT FROM THE LEASE LEASING PROGRAM. IT WORKS BEST FOR THE PD RIGHT NOW TO STAY ON THAT LEASE BECAUSE WE CAN KEEP AN UPDATED FLEET. IF WE START OWNING THOSE VEHICLES, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO HAVING SEVEN TO 10-YEAR-OLD VEHICLES AGAIN. YOU KNOW. BUT SHE HAS A PLAN. AND, UH, SO FAR I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOT OUT OF A WHOLE LOT OF, OF THE ENTERPRISE. ENTERPRISE IS WAY DOWN. SO THE SWEEPER, UH, WE'RE NOT GETTING A SWEEPER ON Y'ALL'S ADVICE. WE HAVE SEVEN MORE MONTHS LEFT ON THAT SWEEPER. SO THAT SWEEPER'S GONNA GO AWAY. THEY'RE GONNA COME PICK IT UP. I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO ENTERPRISE, SO, BUT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE LEASE? YES. FOR THE MOST PART. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE ECONOMICAL FOR US TO KEEP THOSE. SO THAT'S, AND THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED PRIOR WAS THAT THE PD MAY STAY ON WITH THAT. CORRECT. SUZIE'S PURCHASED, UH, VEHICLES THREE FROM, FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS SO FAR. I PURCHASED THREE VEHICLES THIS YEAR THAT THE CITY OWNED. SO WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THAT. IF WE DON'T NEED 'EM. WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THOSE VEHICLES FROM ENTERPRISE VEHICLE. SUZIE, GIVE US THAT NUMBER AGAIN. ENTERPRISE, HOW MUCH YOU'VE DROPPED IT FROM TO WHAT IT'S BUDGETED FOR. YOU TOLD ME YESTERDAY LIKE 800, 7,000 TO 607,000. IT'S ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS WHAT WE PAY PER YEAR. THIS COMING YEAR. IT USED TO BE UP TO 750,000. NOW IT'S 520. YEAH. PER YEAR. EXCELLENT. SO IT'S COMING DOWN AND WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE WORKING TO GET, UH, WE'RE BUYING USED VEHICLES. WE'RE NOT BUYING BRAND NEW VEHICLES. SO, AND THE GUYS ARE REAL HAPPY WITH 'EM 'CAUSE THEY COME WITH, YOU KNOW, MORE PLAY TOYS ON 'EM. MM-HMM . BUT THAT THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE. BUT THEY'RE USED VEHICLES. I PURCHASED EIGHT VEHICLES THIS YEAR. IT'S USED, IT'S USED THE SECOND DAY. YOU, UH, JUMPED IN IT, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING GOOD DEALS. SO, BUT THAT'S TAKEN OFF OF THOSE ENTERPRISE. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON, WE'RE GETTING THAT FROM THOSE ENTERPRISE VEHICLES. I WILL SAY THE ONE CHALLENGE THAT PD WILL FACE, AND WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THIS OUT, IS THE COST TO EQUIP A UNIT OF OVER 50,000. ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES TO TO THAT? YES. REDUCE COSTS, YES. THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO THAT. I'M LOOKING TO, OF COURSE, SEIZURE FUNDS, IT'S OUR NUMBER ONE THING. WE STARTED WITH THE COMPUTERS. ONCE WE START, THAT STARTS FLOWING IN. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SO IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT AND I'VE TALKED TO THEIR SUPERVISOR. IF WE CAN GET THE AMOUNT OF SEIZURE FUNDS THAT I'M THINKING WE'RE GONNA GET, WE CAN START PAYING FOR THOSE FOR THAT EQUIPMENT AND PAYING IT FOR PAYING FOR IT OUTRIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO GET INSTALLED, BUT WE CAN PAY FOR IT OUTRIGHT. SO THAT, THAT'S MY GOAL IS TO GET THAT FUND UP TO WHERE WE CAN PAY FOR. WELL, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO ROLL OFF OUR PD ALL AT ONE OLUM TIME WOULDN'T ROLL 'EM OFF. WELL, YOU, I I I WOULDN'T THINK YOU ROLL 'EM OFF THE ENTERPRISE. OH NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT. NO EQUIPMENT TO EQUIP EQUIPMENT. EQUIPMENT UNIT IS 50,000 PER UNIT. NOT THE, NOT THE, NOT THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE WILL STILL GET FROM ENTERPRISE, BUT THEY ROLLED THAT NUMBER INTO THE LEASE ONCE WE GET ALL THAT. AND THEN I, SUSIE CALLED ME LAST WEEK AND HAD HER BAT OUT. I'M GLAD I WAS ON THE PHONE AND NOT AT HER OFFICE. 'CAUSE THE FIVE VEHICLES THAT WE GOT, WE HAVE TO PAY 50% OF THAT VE THAT OF THAT EQUIPMENT. SO THAT WAS ABOUT $25,000 A VEHICLE. SO WE HAVE TO PAY THAT UP, UP UPFRONT. SO IF WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT WITH, UH, WITH SEIZURES. WE CAN DO WE, WE WILL BE BETTER. [01:30:02] BUT IT'S COMING. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ME OR TO CITY MANAGER? OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. THANK Y'ALL FOR SUPPORTING US. THANK YOU CHIEF. AS YOU CAN SEE UP ON THE BOARD, I'M PRESENTING THE 26 27 COUNCIL BALANCING THE BUDGET, THE 491,000 THAT'S THERE, THAT IS WHAT I HAVE LEFT OVER. BUT UH, TO THE RIGHT OF IT IS SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN NINE FORTY SEVEN. THAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT I STARTED OUT WITH BEFORE I STARTED ADDING THINGS OR DEDUCTING THINGS. THE 6 37 97 IS BASED ON A 2.5 INCREASE TO PROPERTY TAX WITH THAT 2.5 INCREASE TO PROPERTY TAX. IT ALSO INCLUDES A $5,000 INCREASE OR TO YOUR EXEMPTIONS TO SENIOR CITIZENS. THAT GAVE ME $704,770 INCREASE TO YOUR PROPERTY TAX. I ALSO INCREASED $10,000 TO FRANCHISE FEES. ACCORDING TO HISTORY, THE 144,557 WAS JUST A 3% INCREASE TO YOUR SALES TAX. THAT GAVE ME THE 144. THE OTHER INCREASES WERE THINGS THAT WERE NOT BUDGETED FOR LAST YEAR THAT ARE BEING BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR. THE TRANSFER FROM THE WATER WAS A ONE ONE-TIME DEAL. I HAD DEDUCTED $50,000 TRANSFER FROM THE COM, UH, FUND 11 AND THE 27,560 ISN'T THE ADD ADDITIONAL TRANSFER FROM A BLC? THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WERE PUT INTO THIS BUDGET. WE WILL GO THROUGH HERE AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OF YOU AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SUGGESTIONS DONE. AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS. WE ARE AT 21% NOW. I DO SEE THAT BY THE END OF THIS BUDGET YEAR, WE'LL BE OVER THE 25% FOR THIS COMING YEAR. I DID SUGGEST TO HAVE AN INCREASE TO PROPERTY TAXES DUE TO THE FACT THAT IF WE DO GET PAID FOR YOUR FEMA, WE'LL STILL ONLY HAVE LIKE 3 MILLION. 'CAUSE THAT'S A $2 MILLION THAT THEY OWE US. AND I'VE ONLY RECEIVED 201. IF WE WERE TO GET THE MONEY BETWEEN NOW AND 2029, THE BALANCE OF THAT NOTE IS 3,000,005. THE ADDITIONAL MONEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF YOUR GENERAL FUNDS FUND BALANCE. SO IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY INCREASE TO YOUR PROPERTY TAX RIGHT NOW, I WOULD BE LOOKING IN A HOLE. THE INCREASE IS SEVEN FOUR. I'M WORKING WITH 6 37. I BASICALLY NEED $66,000 TO BEGIN THE BUDGET WITH NO PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. SO I WOULD BE $66,000 IN THE HOME PERSONNEL IS $500,000. SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INCREASES, NO RAISES AND $66,000 DEFICIT. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING OUT WITH. I'VE GONE THROUGH HERE. EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE YELLOW IS THINGS THAT I'VE PUT IN. I'VE TAKEN THE REQUEST, ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS SUBMITTED, THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST THAT PARKS HAS REQUESTED AND ANYTHING IN YELLOW I ADDED TO BALANCING THE BUDGET. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A 2% INCREASE TO PROPERTY TAX, I CAN DO THAT. MM-HMM . A ONE AND A HALF, REMOVE SOME OF, OR ADD SOME OF THE TRANSFERS BACK IN. WE CAN DO THAT AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. SUSIE, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED, WHAT WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY. OKAY. GIVE THE 2% FIRST. A 2% INCREASE TO PROPERTY TAX WOULD BRING ME 7 0 7 7 7 8 [01:35:03] BASED ON A 98.5% COLLECTION. THAT'S RIGHT. I HAD ORIGINALLY DONE IT AT ONLY 98% COLLECTION AND 98.5 IS THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST THREE YEARS. THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST THREE YEARS IS 98.5. LAST YEAR'S WAS 98.82. ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY, WE'RE STILL BEING CONSERVATIVE. EVEN GOING 98.5, WE'RE STILL BEING CONSERVATIVE. SO IF I WAS TO DO THAT, IT'D BE 7 0 7 7 7 8. RIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, HE LEMME DO THAT SEVEN. OH JASON, I WANNA CHANGE THIS NUMBER. OH, DO IT OUT THERE. NOT DOING IT. NO. 7 7 7. MISSED A SEVEN. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT HE'LL DO. RAISING THE 3% OF SALES TAX TO THREE AND A HALF IS 1 68 4 59. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DIFFERENCE. SO SUSIE, TALK REAL QUICK ON THAT SALES TAX. OKAY. WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL WAS? THE 3%, THE 3% ON THE SALES TAX. WHAT I'VE DONE, BASED ON WHAT COUNCIL HAD ADDRESSED ME TO, I HAD MOVED THAT 144 STRAIGHT TO THE STREET FUND. RIGHT. SO THE GENERAL FUND WAS NOT TAKING ANY KIND OF INCREASE TO THEIR REVENUE BECAUSE IT WAS BEING MOVED STRAIGHT TO THE STREET FUND. SO THAT WHAT I'M DOING, THE, THE ADDITIONAL HALF CENT, 'CAUSE I'M BASING IT NOW AT THREE AND A HALF. THE 24,000 THAT WILL REMAIN IN THE GENERAL FUND. CORRECT. SO I'LL ONLY DO THE 3% TO, TO THE STREET FUND. STREET FUND STILL GETS MOST OF IT. YES MA'AM. THIS ADDITIONAL GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND. THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THE ADDITIONAL THING THAT I'M DOING IS THE EQUIPMENT. THE, THERE IS A TRANSFER FROM THE COMMUNITY EVENT, WHICH IS 2011. I HAVE REMOVED AT 50,000. I WILL BE PUTTING BACK 40,000 IN THERE. OOPS. WRONG DIRECTION. AND THAT'S COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY EVENTS FUND BALANCE, CORRECT? OR IS THAT COMING FROM THE THREE EVENTS YES. FUND BALANCE THOUGH, OR WAS IT AS A LINE CONTRACT? NO, THE 40,000 I'M PUTTING BACK IN IS PROJECTIONS OF WHAT THEY ADDIT THE REVENUE, ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT THEY WILL BRINGING IN FROM THE BANNERS THAT THEY'RE RIGHT. BUT I'M ALSO ALLOW, THERE ARE GETTING A PERSON TO HELP THEM WITH THE COMMUNITY EVENTS IN THAT BUDGET. 2011, WE'RE TAKING THOSE BANNERS AWAY. UH, WE'RE GONNA DO THE BANNERS OURSELVES INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE DO 'EM. THE ONES YOU SEE DOWNTOWN, WE'RE GONNA DO THEM OURSELVES BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE DOES IT. THEY COLLECT MONEY FROM THAT, FROM THAT ALSO. SO THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY WILL WILL BE COMING FROM ON THE BANNERS IS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ON THE EQUIPMENT LEASE PURCHASE INSTEAD OF FOR CAPITAL FUNDING. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. YEP. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THAT 144, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO THE STREET FUND. YEAH. SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH AS THE DEPARTMENTS ARE [01:40:01] PROCEEDING THEIR BUDGETS. AND THAT'S WITH THE TWO POINT A 5%. THAT IS WITH A 2% PROPERTY TAX. OKAY. SO 111,000 ON 2%. OKAY. YEP. THAT'S A 2% AND 98.5% COLLECTION WITH A $5,000 INCREASE TO THE CEDAR CITIZEN EXCEPTIONS, THE CITY'S EXCEPTION IS 55,000. THE COUNTY'S 100,000 AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS 200,000. A CEDAR CITIZEN WILL PAY TAXES IF THEIR PROPERTY VALUE IS OVER $60,000. YOU WANT THE MONEY, YOU WANT THE TWO AND A HALF. LOOK, IF WE, IF IF WE RUN INTO ISSUES AND WE DON'T HAVE AND WE DON'T GET THE FEMA MONEY AND WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF UNDO SOME OF THE GOOD WE'VE DONE AND THE STRUGGLES WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST YEAR. YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'VE GONE AROUND THE COMMUNITY TELLING PEOPLE THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE AND, AND THE, AND THE THING IS, IS WHERE DOES THIS PUT THIS IN IN RELATION? WHERE DOES THIS PUT US IN RELATION TO WHERE WE WERE PRIOR TO THE NO NEW REVENUE IN RELATION TO THE NO NEW REVENUE. SHE WAS, THAT'S WHAT SHE STARTED OFF TALKING ABOUT WAS THE NO NEW REVENUE WOULD'VE BEEN 600. WHAT WAS IT, 66,000? THE 6 37. IT WAS 7 0 4. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE WHOLE ON NO NEW REVENUE. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL I DID WAS SHAVE A HALF OF A CENT, WHICH EQUATES TO, WHAT WAS IT? FOUR AND A HALF DOLLARS, $5 UHHUH . UH, SO RIGHT NOW ON A $250,000 HOME AT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OR TWO AND A HALF CENTS, IT'S $55 ADDITIONAL ANNUAL. UM, WHICH IS ABOUT $5 A MONTH EXTRA PER CITIZEN ON TWO 50. UM, CUTTING HALF A CENT IS ABOUT $5 ANNUAL SAVINGS. SO I MEAN, I I THINK EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS. WE'RE GONNA INCREASE WATER AND SEWER RATES. WE'RE STILL GONNA GET TO THE 25 PERC 25%. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ON THE FEMA SIDE, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO INDICATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT MONEY. UH, SUSIE, YOU JUST SAID YESTERDAY, YOU'VE SENT EVERYTHING OFF AGAIN. YES. AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING BACK. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SENT IT BACK? THIS IS THE FIFTH. YEAH. SO I WOULD, I WOULD REVERSE THAT AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT WE'RE GONNA GET PAID. I MEAN THAT'S, THEY HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. EVERY TIME THEY ASK HER TO DO SOMETHING, SHE GETS IT DONE, SENDS IT BACK, AND THEN THEY SEND IT BACK AGAIN TO GET, OKAY, WELL THIS WASN'T DONE OR THAT WASN'T DONE. SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LONG PROCESS. AND BERYL WAS HOW LONG AGO? I RESPECT YOUR POSITIONS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO DO. I I UNDERSTAND WE NEED THE MONEY, BUT SO DO THE CITIZENS, YOU JUST SAID WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA RAISE THE WATER RATE. THE WATER RATE IS GOING UP SUBSTANTIALLY. THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME TOO, IS YOU'RE, THEY'RE GONNA GET A DOUBLE WHAMMY. THEY'RE GONNA GET A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE AND A WATER AND SEWER RATING, A SUBSTANTIAL WATER AND SEWER RATE INCREASE BECAUSE VWA WENT UP TO ANOTHER DOUBLE DIGIT. SO I, I THINK, I ALWAYS THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TOTALITY. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S WHERE I AM. AND THE TOTALITY IS THAT YOU, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE OUR WATER RATES, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY WE'RE NOT OUR WATER PROVIDER, WE'RE STILL, OUR CITIZENS ARE DEPENDING ON OUR MUNICIPALITIES. SO WE'RE A PASS THROUGH TAX. IF YOU WILL PASS THROUGH FEE RIGHT NOW WITH 111 TO A GOOD, YOU COULD DROP IT EVEN TO 1.5% OF PROPERTY TAX. BUT AS [01:45:01] YOU SEE, YOU COULD ALSO PUT IT INTO THE FUND BALANCE IF YOU HAVE TO PAY OFF THAT NOTE. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S UP TO COUNSEL AS YOU PIECE. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, TO GO TO ONE AND A 5%, THAT 6 0 8 TO 7 0 7, THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DIFFERENCE OF WHAT YOU ARE TO THE GOOD. BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT AND SEE WE'RE, I GUESS WHAT YOU WANNA ADD OR WHAT DO YOU WANNA TAKE AWAY. WE DO HAVE REQUESTS FROM PUBLIC WORK. WE HAVE REQUESTS FROM PARKS. EVERYONE ELSE, THEIR BUDGETS ARE FLAT. THIS IS A 5% INCREASE BUDGET AT ALL OF THESE THAT ARE IN THE YELLOW. I HAVE TAKEN FROM PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS AND ADDED COUNSEL. YES. THIS IS THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE. LET'S WAIT FOR TANNER TO COME BACK AND YEAH, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. OOPS. COUNSEL STAFF, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE BUCKET. THE DECISION IS TO SEE WHICH PROPERTY TAX WE'RE GOING TO BE INCREASING SO WE CAN START TRYING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. WE HAVE CHANGED THE COLLECTION RATE TO 98 AND A HALF TO THE RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE REVENUES AMOUNT WOULD BE. THE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT. TWO AND A HALF CENTS WILL GIVE ME 806,000. SORRY, SHE, THE 2 CENTS IS 7 0 7 7 78. THE ONE AND A HALF IS 6 0 8 8 25. SO TO THE COUNSEL, IT'S UP TO YOU. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO STAY AT TWO, BUT I HEAR YOU. SOME OF YOU WANTING TWO AND A HALF, THAT'S YOUR CALL. SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? THIS AFFECTS HOW WE GO FORWARD. STARTLING CHRISY, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT? AND AS YOU WELL KNOW, THESE ARE JUST PRELIMINARIES. I DO NOT HAVE THE CERTIFIED VALUE YET FROM THE COUNT, BUT YOU ARE CONSERVATIVE IN YOUR ESTIMATE. BUT I AM CONSERVATIVE IN MY, YOU'VE ALREADY DECREASED WITH ALL THE NEW GRANTS WITH THE FIVE, $5,000 INCREASE TO THE DISABLED SENIOR INANCE. YEP. THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT. WE ARE INCREASING THE SENIOR EXEMPTION $5,000 THIS YEAR. THAT WAS A $48,000 DECREASE, Y'ALL. OKAY, SO I'M LEAN AM LEANING MORE IN THE MIDDLE FOR THE 2%. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE 2.5 SO THAT WE HAVE THE CUSHION. I WANNA SEE WHAT THAT 100 GRAND LOOKS LIKE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING. UM, SO YOU WANNA START OFF WITH TWO AND A HALF AND SEE WHERE YOU GO? I, I THINK SO. AND WE'LL LIKE PICK, PICK, PICK, PICK. UM, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID WITH BWA INCREASING THE RATES AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY EVERY YEAR. IT'S THAT, THAT'S JUST GONNA BE FOREVER. OKAY. TANNER? UM, I'M, [01:50:01] I'M A TWO AND A HALF PERSON. I, I WANT THE SHARPEST TOOL WE CAN HAVE. OKAY. WAYNE? I'M MORE OF A 2%. ALRIGHT, BARBARA, I WANT TO BE TWO, BUT I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, LIKE CHRISSY SAID, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THIS COST PEOPLE WITH THE WATER RATE THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. SO I WOULD HAVE TO BE NUDGED INTO 2%. OKAY. YOU'RE PRO TOWN. I'M AT 2% BASED ON THE BWA AND OURS. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, I KIND LIKE CHRISSY'S IDEA AND I THINK YOU WORK FROM YOUR BASE AND YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP. AND IF WE ARE IN A POSITION THAT TO GET THE THINGS WE NEED, WE NEED THAT EXTRA 0.5%, THEN I'M WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT. IF WE CAN MAKE OUR BUDGET WORK ON THE 2%, THEN WE SHOULD WORK ON THE 2%. BUT THAT'S MY IDEA. OKAY. SO WHAT DID YOU SAY, TRAVIS? ONE, THE TWO? I'M AT TWO, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND WE THINK WE'RE NOT, OKAY, THIS IS NOT A, I, I CAN BE MOVED. I, I JUST WANT TO, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S GOING FOR GOOD NEED AND REASON WHY WE NEED IT. SUSAN, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR PAYMENT IS ON THAT DEBT SERVICE FOR BARREL THAT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED? PAYMENT FUNDING FOR? THE PAYMENT FOR BARREL IS 525. 525,000. AND I'VE ALREADY ALREADY SAID WHAT MY PIECE WAS. I'M 2%, BUT I, I RESPECT COUNCIL'S DECISION ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. SO IF MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THIS BUDGET, WE WANT TO GO WITH THE TWO AND A HALF. WE'LL GO WITH THE TWO AND A HALF AND SEE WHERE WE FINISH. SO SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. TWO, WELL WE HAD TWO IN THERE. SO SHE'S MOVING IT BACK TO THE TWO AND A HALF. YOU WANT TWO AND A HALF OR TWO? TWO AND A HALF. WHATEVER ONE WANTED. YEAH, THAT 8 0 6 MM-HMM . THAT GIVES YOU AN EXTRA $210,000 ON ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS WE'VE MADE ALREADY. AND THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF YOUR PRIORITIES. COUNSEL, YOU'RE GONNA SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS BUDGET, THEY'RE IN THERE. SO ADDING MORE FOR THE STREET FUND, YOU KNOW, REPAIR, OVERLAYS, WATER AND SEWER, PUTTING A CONTINGENCY LINE FOR WATER AND SEWER UPGRADES OFF THE WATER FUND, SEWER FUND, ALL THAT'S IN THERE. OKAY. STREET LIGHTS, SIDEWALKS THAT'S IN THERE. UM, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD MAP, CORRECT? OH YEAH. TO COME FROM ONE AND A HALF TO TWO, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EAST JONES. YEP. UP AND DOWN. PRETTY MUCH. CORRECT. CLOSE. SO AS WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THIS, NOW THAT YOU'VE PUT IT AT 2.5, WE NEED TO THINK HOW COULD WE SAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? I HAVE REMOVED 44,000 FOR CAPITAL EQUIPMENT THAT WAS ASKED FOR PARKS AND MOVED IT TO WHERE WE WOULD BE FINANCING IT INSTEAD. WE COULD PUT IT BACK FOR US TO PAY FOR IT OUTRIGHT. WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? ON THE CAPITAL REQUESTS. ON THE INFO INFORMATION HERE, THEY'RE IN YELLOW. THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT I HAD PUT IN THERE TO BE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND, BUT I TOOK THEM OUT TO LOWER THE TAX RATE TO TWO. I CAN PUT THOSE BACK IN. WE WERE JUST GONNA FINANCE 'EM DOING THE GOVERNMENTAL CAPITAL THREE YEARS. THAT'S 44,500. UM, AND YOU DON'T PAY THE FIRST YEAR. SO WE HAVE SOME STUFF FALLING OFF, UM, OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THAT KIND OF A FINANCE AS YOU GO. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING EASY TO LOOK LIKE? DOES HECTOR HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A BLAH BLAH IN HERE FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? IS THERE ANYTHING EASY TO LOOK AT FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT LATER QUICK AND DIRTY? WE CAN PUT IT IN CONTINGENCY AND THEN LOOK AT IT AS YOU NEED IT LATER. BUT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IF HECTOR'S GOT SOME PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT COSTS A HUNDRED [01:55:01] THOUSAND DOLLARS, CAN WE JUST ADAPT THAT AND THEN MAKE WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. YEAH. SEE, UH, PARKS HAS 87 B SKI STEER. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO ALLOCATE THIS. THAT'S THE THING. YOU JUST WANNA BUY IT OUTRIGHT. WELL, I, WELL, WELL BACK UP. I DON'T, UH, THIS, THAT WOULD BE FINANCING. I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING THIS, THESE, THESE FUNDS, I'D PREFER NOT TO ALLOCATE 'EM TO ANYTHING. YOU'D RATHER SEE WHATEVER THE INCREASE IS TO BE PUT INTO A CONTINGENCY. SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR'S THAT'S CORRECT. YOU, YOU, WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S MY ARGUMENT FOR THE EXTRA A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ANYWAY WAY IS THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. IS THAT WE ALL, EVERY, EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE RUN INTO AN ISSUE THAT COMES AROUND BEHIND US AND WE END UP HAVING TO FINANCE SOMETHING, WHICH, SPEAKING OF FINANCING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S AN ABSOLUTELY GREAT DEAL, I, I WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THAT JUST AS MUCH AS I WANT TO GET AWAY FROM OUR CITY VEHICLES BEING LEASE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN, I WANT TO PAY FOR STUFF OUT RIGHT NOW. OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAVE DEPENDS, DEPENDS WHAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE, HUH. YEAH. DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR RATES ARE. I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU'RE GIVING IT AWAY. YES. BUT THAT'S PRETTY RARE, RIGHT? EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT YES, I MEAN IT, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY REASONABLE. I I THINK IT'S ALSO WOULD BE ISH NOT TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO FIND THIS. WELL, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD AND WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PURCHASED A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, IT'S GETTING INTO LIFE, BUT WE'VE ANTICIPATED THAT FIVE YEARS AGO AND HAVE BEEN PUTTING MONEY BACK FOR THAT PURCHASE. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT THINGS SHOULD BE RUN. AGREE. AND THE THE WHAT WHAT YOU'RE, MY EXPERIENCE SITTING UP HERE IS THAT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO PUT OUT FIRES AND IT'S HARD TO STICK TO YOUR PRIORITY LISTS 'CAUSE OF THOSE FIRES. AND THEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CHANGING THE POSITIONS AND PRIORITIES CHANGE WITH IT. SO IT'S JUST EASY TO, TO WANT TO DO IT AS LONG AS YOU'RE WILLING TO STICK TO IT AND YOU'VE GOTTA GET EVERYBODY ELSE TO, TO, WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET STUCK IN THIS CONSTANT MONEY DRAINING, LEACHING CYCLE OF, OF LEASING AND FINANCING AND ALL THAT. BECAUSE NOBODY'S, NOBODY'S PLANNING OR THERE MAY BE PLANS FOR IT, BUT THERE'S NO ACTION FOR THE FUTURE. IT'S ALWAYS YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR, THE BUDGET CYCLE. SO HOW ARE WE GONNA AFFORD THIS HALF A MILLION OR $700,000 ITEM? OH, WE'RE GONNA FINANCE IT. OF COURSE CHRIS, IT'S THE SWEET STREET SWEEPER WHEN IT COMES OFF, I THINK IS WHAT THAT 7,000 A MONTH MM-HMM . FOR A STREET SWEEPER, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANOTHER ONE, SO MM-HMM . THAT'S COMING BACK. MY SUGGESTION IS TO TRANSFER A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO YOUR CAPITAL GOVERNMENT LEASE INTERNAL CAPITAL PROJECT, CAPITAL LEASE PROJECT TO WHERE I, IF PARKS NEEDED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT, WE PERSONALLY LEND THEM THE MONEY THEY PAY US BACK. MM-HMM . BUT THAT'S GOING TO DEPLETE. I HAD 500,000 IN THERE AND ME PAY BUYING THESE VEHICLES AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND A YEAR. THAT FUND BALANCE IS GOING TO DEPLETE. I MEAN, THEY ARE PAYING ME BACK AS IF THEY WERE, AS THEY WERE PAYING A BANK OR SOMETHING. BUT YOU STILL NEED TO UP INCREASE THAT FUND BALANCE. SO I COULD PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR 200,000 INTO AND THEN PURCHASE AND MAKE THEM PAY BACK LIKE YOU WOULD'VE PAID ANOTHER COMPANY. BUT IT'S DONE INTERNALLY. IT'S DONE INTERNALLY INSTEAD OF GOING OUT SOURCING IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME. BUT IT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT THOUGH. JUST DOING THAT IN ONE FELL SWOOP IS NOT REALLY THE POINT. IT'S DOING IT OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS IN ANTICIPATION FOR AN EXPENDITURE. MM-HMM . UM, NOT JUST PUTTING MONEY IN A FUND, BUT IN, IN ONE, UH, IN ONE FISCAL YEAR AND THEN LENDING THAT MONEY OUT. IT'S ACTUALLY HAVING A FUND THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO OVER TIME, LIKE I SAID, THAT TAKES DISCIPLINE. THAT'S JUST LIKE FISCAL DISCIPLINE. AND, AND AND WHAT I, MY ONLY ARGUMENT AGAINST IT WOULD BE IS I'M NOT REALLY ARGUING AGAINST IT. I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT. THE CONCERN IS ALWAYS COMES UP IS THE WHATEVER EMERGENCY ARISES AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN A PURCHASE, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPITAL. SO WE DO HAVE TO GET INTO A UNFORTUNATELY FINANCING, LEASING AGREEMENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT, WELL, THE THING IS, IN IDEAL, AN IDEAL WORLD, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE COULD CASH IT. WELL, IF YOU'RE DISCIPLINED IN THAT WAY, THAT [02:00:01] PROBLEM DOESN'T OCCUR BECAUSE YOU, WELL, SOMETIMES IT'S A BIG EVENT. SO I MEAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST USE THE HURRICANE FOR EXAMPLE THEN. YEAH. BUT IF WE WERE DISCIPLINED IN THE WAY THAT WE WERE NOW, THE HURRICANE WOULDN'T EVEN BE A BIG DEAL. HAD THAT HAVE BEEN HAD THAT HAVE BEEN THREE YEARS PRIOR. AND WE WERE IN THE POSITION WHERE YOU ARE IN NOW AND THIS AND THIS LITTLE LULL AND FINANCE WOULD'VE NEVER HAPPENED. AND WE'D HAD A GUY WHO KNEW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS IN THE BANK AND WHAT THE ACTUAL TAX RATE WAS AND WHO ACTUALLY BROUGHT A SPREADSHEET TO COUNCIL THEN YEAH. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN ISSUE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A FINANCE DEPARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE CAN GO 2% AND FINANCE EVERYTHING. I MEAN, WHATEVER. I GUESS. I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA GO TWO AND A HALF IT, AND THAT'S WHY SUZY'S ASKING. I, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE GOING TO EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID, THEN PUT THOSE BACK IN AND DON'T GOVERNMENTAL, DON'T FINANCE 'EM. JUST GO BUY 'EM OUTRIGHT. MM-HMM . THAT TAKES ONE, ONE MORE OFF THE, THE LIST THAT YOU'D BE FINANCING, IT'S 45. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. STILL GIVES YOU 166,000 TO PUT BACK INTO A CAPITAL REPLACEMENT OR SOME TYPE OF PROGRAM. WE CALL IT SUZIE'S BANK. YES. YOU ALWAYS CAN NEED IT. WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M, I'M BIG ON OUT OF THE BOX THINKING TOO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO PAY OFF, GET OUT FROM UNDERNEATH? I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE? OH, YEAH. DOES YOU WANNA TALK TO THAT? BUT WE'RE PAYING OFF. WHAT COULD WE PAY OFF WITH THIS? LET'S SAY YOU HAVE THIS EXTRA 166,000 AND YOU'RE IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR OF FIVE ON A PAYOFF OF SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY FINANCED. I HAVE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ONE ITEM THAT COMES OFF THIS YEAR THAT COMES OFF NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. THEY'RE MAKING, THIS IS PAYMENT NUMBER FOUR OUT OF FIVE. IT'S 79,690. THAT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. AND THAT'S ALRIGHT. YOU JUST WANT TO, IF YOU PAID AN EXTRA 80,000, YOU'D BE DONE. RIGHT. SO THE $80,000, IT SAVES SOME MONEY ON THAT INTEREST. MM-HMM . THAT WAS THE, UH, THE CA COUNCIL, YEAH. THE CAD SYSTEM. MM-HMM . WELL, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, YOU, IN THAT YOU END THAT PAYMENT A YEAR EARLIER AND OR NOT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? THE OTHER ONES ARE TOO NEW. UH, WE HAVE 130,000, AND THAT'S PAYMENT NUMBER TWO OUT OF FIVE. THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC WORKS EQUIPMENT THAT WE OH, THE MOWERS. YEAH. AND ALL THAT STUFF. THE CAMERA, THE PATCHER, THE OH, OKAY. THE PUBLIC WORKS. I'M SORRY. YEAH. AND THE REASON IT'S ONLY PAYMENT NUMBER TWO IS 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T START IT UNTIL WE RECEIVED THE PATCHER. AND THE PATCHER TOOK FOREVER TO GET HERE. 'CAUSE I TOLD HER, I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE PAYMENT THREE OR FOUR, BUT THEY, IT TOOK THEM A WHILE TO GET US. THEY DIDN'T START INVOICING US UNTIL EVERYTHING WAS RECEIVED. RIGHT. OKAY. I MEAN, WE COULD BUY OUTRIGHT THAT SKID, SKID STEER TO SKID STREET, TRUCK LOADER, TRUCK LOADER BETWEEN TRACTOR ON THERE AS WELL. UM, FROM LAST YEAR, THE LOWER ONE. BUT THAT SAME THING. WHICH ONE? THE TRACTOR. TRACTOR. THE TRACTOR THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE BECAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT. YES. I BELIEVE IT'S 14,000. IT'S 14,000. YEAH. THAT'S PAYMENT. TWO OUT OF FIVE ALSO. BUT [02:05:01] YOU, YOU ARE ASKING, UH, JASON, FOR THAT SKID TRUCK, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT, JOHN? YES, NO. YEP. AND THE GAP, STARTING THE BUDGET, THAT 14. I WOULD TRY TO PAY THAT ONE OFF EARLY. I WOULD TRY TO GO GET SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED AND, AND BUY IT OUTRIGHT IF YOU CAN. GREAT. AND I REALLY THINK THE SKID STEER ARE THE WAY TO GO IS A YEAH. I HONESTLY THINK WE, WE NEED THE EQUIPMENT HERE AND GOT THE FUNDS. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. I JUST, I WANT, I WANT US TO GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT WE FINANCE AND, AND THERE ARE GONNA BE TIMES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S WILLING TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, UH, MUNICIPAL, COMMERCIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL OFFER FINANCING, ALL THE STUFF. RIGHT. AND I GET IT. BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST A WAY FOR US TO GET SOME OF THIS MORE EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT AND NOT BREAK THE BANK EVERY SINGLE YEAR TRYING TO DO IT. NOW, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE I WOULD THINK ABOUT IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE BUYING, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS GOVERNMENTAL FUNDING, A TRAILER, A LAWNMOWER, THINGS LIKE THAT PROBABLY AREN'T THE BEST. RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT THE LIFESPAN OF THE, THE NOTE, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THE DUMP TRUCK OR THE KUBOTA. SO IF YOU COULD TAKE THESE GUYS STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. YOU TAKE THE MULCHER, THE BRUSH CUTTER AND THE GR YOU KNOW, THAT TRAILER AND YOU BUY THOSE OUTRIGHT, THAT FREES UP THE MONEY THAT YOU CAN USE TO ACTUALLY FINANCE SOMETHING MORE EXPENSIVE LIKE THE DUMP TRUCK OR THE KUBOTA EXCAVATOR IF YOU NEEDED TO. BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WOULD PROBABLY KEEP IN THE BACK OF MY MIND AS WELL. I THINK BEFORE YOU COMMIT ALL THIS MONEY. YEAH. LISTEN TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND HEAR THEIR NEEDS OF WHAT THEY'RE AFTER, AND THEN YOU CAN PRIORITIZE WHAT YOU THINK YOU WANNA, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. WE'LL LEAVE THE 166 UP THERE AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS AND AS WE HAVE THE MONEY LEFT, OR AS YOU TELL ME, WE CAN PUT IT INTO CONTINGENCY OR BUY OUT WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO DO. WELL, NO, ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE'S ONE THING THAT I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, ABOUT ANY OF YOU, BUT, UH, YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM. 5 MILLION RADIO SYSTEM. MM-HMM . SOMETHING'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE WITH WITH THAT AT SOME POINT. THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DEBT SERVICE. OH, NO, FOR SURE. IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY CONCERNING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT JUST ONE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AFFECTS ALL EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS. AND JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, AS A COUNCIL, WE ARE HELD HOSTAGE RIGHT NOW. WE CANNOT GO OUT FOR DEBT SERVICE UNTIL THIS FEMA MONEY GETS REIMBURSED BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE INS RATE SO MUCH, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS FOR A BOND, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE, I GUESS YOU GET BETTER BUY-IN BECAUSE IT'LL AFFECT THE, THE TAX RATE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPARED TO US DOING, COS WE CAN'T DO ANOTHER CO RIGHT NOW WITH THAT LOOMING OVER OUR HEADS, IT'S, IT'D BE A MAJOR IMPACT. SO THE C REMEMBER THAT, THAT EMERGENCY NOTE IS FINISHED IN 29, RIGHT, SUZIE? YES. SO YOU CAN'T GO OUT FOR ANYTHING BEFORE 29 UNLESS WE GET THE MONEY WITH THE BALLOON PAPER? NO. JOHN, THE 2029 IS THE BALLOON NOTE, RIGHT? YES. THAT'S WHEN THE BALLOONS DUE. RIGHT. IF WE HAVE NOT PAID IT OFF BY THEN, YOU'LL HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE HIM. RIGHT. AND DO THE PAYMENTS AGAIN. WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A, YOU SAID 5, 5 25 OR SOMETHING ANNUALLY AND THEN A BALLOON PAYMENT OF, OF 2005. 2,000,500. YEAH. . AND THAT'S IF NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL PAY US BETWEEN BEFORE THEN. YEP. ONCE YOU PAY THAT OFF AND WE HAVE ANOTHER BOND THAT'S COMING OFF NEXT YEAR, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO OUT FOR A BOND AT LEAST A $10 MILLION BOND AND STAY WITHIN THE SAME INS RATE. ALSO, REMEMBER TO THE COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A, A PRETTY BIG NEED OVER THERE AT THE ANIMAL CONTROL. ABSOLUTELY. SO, HOWEVER, WE WANNA START FIGURING A WAY AROUND THAT [02:10:01] THEIR BUDGET'S FLAT, ALSO ANIMAL CONTROL. I, THAT'S MY PART. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT YES, THAT IS A PROBLEM OVER THERE. IT'S GOT A TEMPORARY PATCH ON IT. THIS IS HOW OUR BONDS ARE LOOKING. OUR GENERAL FUNDS TOTAL BONDS IS 18 MILLION. BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. SUZIE, PLEASE. . WHERE DID IT GO? JASON, CAN YOU GO HELP HER? BLOW THAT UP PLEASE. THERE YOU GO. YOUR PAYMENT FOR THE EMERGENCY NOTICE 5 25 ON AUGUST 15TH, 2029, THE BALANCE WOULD BE 2,000,005. AS OF TODAY, IT'S 3,000,005. SO IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO PAY IT OFF BETWEEN HERE AND 2029, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE PAYING THE DIFFERENCE OF THE 3,000,005. IF, IF IT'S NEXT YEAR, PROBABLY BE LIKE 3 MILLION. WE HAVE 3 MILLION COMING FROM FEMA. APPROXIMATELY. BUT IF YOU WERE TO GET PAID BY FEMA SOMETIME 26, 27, WOULD YOU HAVE 3 MILLION? NO. DID YOU EVER FIND OUT, SUSIE, WHAT THAT BALANCE, THAT BOND WAS THAT 2016 BOND? HOW MUCH THAT WAS IN TOTAL? OH, I DID NOT. I'M SORRY, JUDGE. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THAT, THAT BOND WILL BE DROPPING OFF. FEBRUARY, 2028 IS THE FIRST PAYMENT. SO BETWEEN THE 5 25 AND THE 50,000, THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH MONEY TO STAY AT THE MILLION FIVE. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOUR BOND PAYMENT IS PER YEAR. 1,000,005 TO PROBABLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND STAY WITHIN THE MILLION FIVE, A $10 MILLION BOND FOR 20 YEARS. YOUR PAYMENTS ARE 765 WITH A, THAT WOULD BE LIKE A 4 CENT INCREASE. A $15 MILLION BOND FOR 20 YEARS IS 1000. 1 MILLION 1 48, 625 A 6 CENT INCREASE. AND A $20 MILLION BOND IS 1 MILLION 5 65 31 6 50 WITH A SEVEN AND A HALF CENT INCREASE. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE ARE AT NOW. OUR BALANCE IS 18 MILLION. THE PAYMENT IS 1,000,563. THAT PAYMENT IS 1,000,531. OUR INS RATE IS 77 CENTS AND THIS IS 7 5 70 5 CENTS. THAT WOULD PUT US AT A DOLLAR 50. THE CITY OF ANGLETON HAS BEEN IN THE 70 CENT AREA AROUND 2011. BETWEEN 2011 AND 2015, OUR TAX RATE WAS 77 CENTS. WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE. OF COURSE, THE VALUES, PROPERTY VALUES WERE NOT THAT HIGH. IN 1999, THE TAX RATE WAS 75 CENTS. YOUR INS RATE WAS $2 AND 35 CENTS. THESE, UH, PROJECTIONS INCLUDE NO GROWTH, RIGHT? YES. THOSE ARE JUST STATIC. IT'S INCLUDING GROWTH. WHAT'S YOUR GROWTH RATE? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE A PERCENTAGE ON THAT. YOUR TOTAL BONDS FOR WATER IS 35,000,565. YOU WILL HAVE A BOND COMING OFF FEBRUARY, 2028 FOR 294,000. OH YEAH. I THINK THAT'S IN PRESENTATION. UM, THIS, UH, THIS 18 BOND ON HERE. WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL DATE ON THAT? UH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE 1 28 29. THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS THINKING. NOT 92. YEAH. [02:15:02] WHICH BOND? I'M SORRY? THE 2018? YEAH, THE 2018 LINE 16. YOU HAVE THAT DATE OVER THERE ON COLUMN L 1 28 92. I THINK IT MEANS 1 28. 21. OH OH, SORRY. LET ME SEE WHEN IT ENDS. 38. 38. OKAY. 20 YEAR BOND. THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING AND WHEN IT'S BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND WHEN IT SAID, UH, UH, 28 OR 29, I WAS SITTING THERE THINKING ALL THAT. DOESN'T EXACTLY ALL I KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG, UM, BOND. IT'S A 20 YEAR BOND. SO WE'VE GOT IT IN 2018. SO IT'D BE 2038. ARE YOU GONNA LOOK TO REFINANCE THIS YEAR? NOT THAT I KNOW OF. NOTHING WITH A BETTER INTEREST RATE? NO. NO. IT'D BE A HIGHER INTEREST RATE. REMEMBER, WE'RE AT FOUR AND A HALF. COME ON, FED. CUT THAT RATE. THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING BOND INFORMATION. SO IF WE GO AHEAD AND LET JASON GO AHEAD AND COME UP. SURE. A SMART ONE. THE JACKET. I, GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, GLAD THE WEATHER'S TURNING OUT BETTER FOR US THAN A HAPPY SATURDAY EVERYONE. UM, FIRST ONE I WANT TO START WITH IS, UH, THIS ONE SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK, UH, BUT OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, UH, SO THAT IS, UH, 0 1 5 6. UM, WHAT'S THE NUMBER AT THE TOP? THE LIKE DEPARTMENT OH SIX. OH SIX. OH SIX, YEAH. OH SIX. THANK YOU. YEP. UM, COUPLE THINGS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WITH THIS ONE. UH, I WILL TELL YOU, UH, AFTER OUR DEPARTMENT TOOK THIS ONE OVER, UH, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS TO EVALUATE AND WORK WITH. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING OUR BEST TO BE ABLE TO ALIGN THIS WITH WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THE, UH, CITY DIRECTION SHOULD GO. UH, AS YOU RECALL, THIS SHOULD COVER, UH, THE MAJORITY OF MAINTENANCE NEEDS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. UH, OBVIOUSLY A COUPLE, UM, THAT WOULD FALL AS OUTLIERS THAT WE WORK WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO SUPPORT. UH, SO THAT'S SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS, UH, WE READJUST THAT IN WHAT WAS PUT IN PREVIOUS YEARS. SO THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE, UH, MAJORS UP AND DOWN THAT GO WITH THAT. UM, THIS DOES REPORT, UH, UNDER THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE AS FAR AS PERSONNEL THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THEY FALL UNDER THE PARKS MAINTENANCE SIDE. UM, UH, THE BIGGEST ONES THAT COME INTO FACTOR THOUGH IS THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE LINES. MM-HMM. UH, SO WE DID MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THERE AS WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING THE NEEDS. UH, SO THE FIRST ONE YOU'LL SEE THERE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CITY HALL. UH, SO WE STARTED TO ADDRESS THEN SOME OF THOSE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO REALLOCATE PLUS APPROPRIATELY, UH, UH, FOLLOWING ONE AFTER THAT ONE. THERE WAS MONEY STILL BENE, UH, UH, ALLOCATED FOR BUILDING RENOVATIONS FOR CITY HALL ANNEX. UH, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER NEEDS THAT, UH, ARE GOING ON. SO, UH, WANTED TO REALIGN THAT ONE. UH, AS WELL AS UTILITIES. UH, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT UTILITIES THAT WERE COMING IN, UH, FELT LIKE, UH, CITY HALL ANNEX SHOULD SEE A REDUCTION. WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT AS HIGH AS WE, IT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE, UH, AS WELL AS STAFF BEING MOVED OUT ONCE THE K MARK IS IN. SO WE, UH, REALLOCATED THOSE FUNDS AS WELL. UH, THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS GONNA ALL BE DUMPED INTO THE CONTRACT LABOR SIDE OF IT. UH, SO THIS IS THE, UH, PORTION THAT WE LOOK AT FOR JANITORIAL AND FOR, UH, MAINTENANCE. UH, SO THAT IS ONE WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH AND EVALUATE. UH, EXAMPLES I WILL GIVE YOU IS HVAC. UH, THIS WOULD BE THE LINE THAT WE WOULD USE FOR HVAC. UM, AND SO, AS Y'ALL KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME NEW UNITS. WE HAVE SOME AGING UNITS, UM, AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH SOME ISSUES. IT'S, UH, THE ANNEX. UH, SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES WE WANTED TO MAKE THE BIGGEST ADJUSTMENT TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE WILL BE ADDING JANITORIAL, UH, LOOKING TO ADD JANITORIAL FROM MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. UH, SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO CAPTURE THIS THE BEST WE CAN. UH, WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THE NEW RFP OUT TO BE ABLE [02:20:01] TO GET THAT TO DETERMINE, UH, WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO. UH, BUT WE WANNA TRY TO GET AN ACCURATE NUMBER IN HERE TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE WE HAD THOSE FUNDS ALREADY ALLOCATED. UH, AS WELL AS, UH, FOR NOT ONLY JUST REGULAR, UH, CONTRACT LABOR, BUT THE ANNEX. UM, MORE TO COME ON THIS ONE. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT PROBABLY HAS THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY TO EVOLVE, UH, AS WE REALLY LOOK AT A HOLISTIC APPROACH OF HOW CITYWIDE MAINTENANCE IS VERSUS RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY KIND OF JUST TIED TO TWO BUILDINGS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ONE. I KNOW MORE RENOVATION ON THE CITY HALL HALLEX, UH, BASED ON THE DIRECTION THAT I'VE RECEIVED IS WE DON'T ANTICIPATE, UH, STAFF UTILIZING MANY MORE SPACES ONCE THE KMO IS OPEN. UM, AND SO, UH, IT GOT THE PORTION OF THEIRS, UH, RENOVATED. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE STAFF THAT ARE REMAINING IN THERE ALL WILL BE MOVING OVER TO, UH, THE KMO. SO UNLESS THERE'S A DIRECTION OF ADDITIONAL STAFF MOVING OVER THERE, UH, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST WAY TO FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE GROWING NEEDS. UM, UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THAT DIRECTION IS, UH, FROM COUNCIL OR CITY LEADERSHIP, WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THAT FACILITY AT THIS POINT? I KNOW WE SPENT SOME MONEY ON IT RECENTLY AND FIXED THE ACS, RIGHT? YEP. FIXED THE ACS ROOF ROOFING, MAYBE ELECTRICAL. WE, WE'VE DONE, YEAH, WE'VE DONE, UH, MINOR ELECTRICAL STUFF. WE'VE HAD, UH, THE ACS, UH, WORK DONE ON A COUPLE OF UNITS. WERE REPLACED A FEW OF THOSE. UM, OUR STILL ORIGINALS THAT JUST NEEDED SOME REPAIRS DONE. UH, WE DID HAVE ROOFING, UH, WORK DONE IN IT. KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE IS THE LEASE SIDE VERSUS WHAT IS THE, WE CALL THE CITY OWNED SIDE. MM-HMM . UH, THIS BUDGET DOES ENCOMPASS ALL OF THAT. SO THERE IS REVENUE THAT COMES FROM THE LEASE SIDE. UH, BUT AS FAR AS, UH, ONGOING OR REAL IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE IT SIDE, WE REALLY DIDN'T DO MUCH OTHER THAN AC UH, FIX, FIX ELECTRICAL SLASH UH, LIGHTING. UM, BUT I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE ORIGINAL IN THERE FROM, UH, THE ORIGINAL CARPET, THE, UH, ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. UM, WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THERE? SO THERE'S VERY MINIMAL THINGS. UH, I WOULD NOT SAY IT IS, IT IS A TEMPORARY HOUSING LOCATION. SO IF YOU WERE TRULY LOOKING TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE THE TEMPORARY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN $20,000 TO, UH, TACKLE THAT. THAT IS THAT THAT FACILITY NEEDS SOME MAJOR WORK AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, WELL THOUGHT OUT AND PLANNED OF WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE FOR THAT ONE. BUT, UH, OTHER THAN TEMPORARY, I WOULD SAY IT IS A CURRENTLY VERY USABLE SPACE, IF YOU WILL. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THERE? WELL, THIS MAINTENANCE INCLUDES THE, I SAW THE LINE ITEM FOR THE CONTRACT LABOR. SO THAT'S, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE WANTING TO DO THE, THE JANITORIAL. JANITORIAL, YES. AND, BUT YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE HEAD COUNT IN HERE. UH, SO THIS IS JUST AN EARMARK TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATE AN INCREASE IN GENERAL BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES. AND SO WE WANTED TO EARMARK SOME TIME. SO WE'RE HOPEFULLY GET IT FOR THE, WHEN WE FINALIZE THE BUDGET TO HAVE A MORE, UH, CONCRETE NUMBER IN THERE. ONCE THE RFP GOES OUT, WE GET THAT INFORMATION BACK, BRING TO COUNCIL AND FOLD DETERMINATION WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. YEP. SO IT DOESN'T CURRENTLY INCLUDE THOSE, THE HEAD COUNT NUMBERS. Y'ALL GOOD THERE? MM-HMM . YEP. UH, WE'LL GO TO PARKS NEXT. SO WE'LL GO TO THE, UH, PARKS, UH, DEPARTMENT NEXT. UH, AS, UH, YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY HEARD FROM, UH, LOOPY AS WELL AS SUSIE, UH, ONE OF THE DIRECTOR WAS GIVEN TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS AND TRY TO REMAIN FLAT ON THOSE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S ALWAYS TOLD IF WE DON'T ASK FOR IT, UM, THERE ISN'T NO ONE WHAT THE NEED IS. UM, SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE PACKET THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS FROM, UH, WHAT IS OUR, OUR NORMAL BUDGET OPERATIONS, UM, AND SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS WE'VE MADE. AND THEN AS SUSIE HAD BROUGHT UP, AS WELL AS SHE'S WORKED TO FIND WAYS TO INCORPORATE A FEW OF THOSE FUNDS INTO OUR BUDGETS. UH, BUT I WANTED Y'ALL TO HAVE FULL AWARENESS OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE REQUESTS ARE AND WHAT WE'VE, UH, BEEN LOOKING TO ASK FOR. UH, MAJORITY OF THESE ARE GONNA BE TIED TO, UH, OUR BUDGETS THAT WERE CUT, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO. THIS IS TRYING TO BRING US BACK TO THAT SERVICE LEVEL. UM, AND SO [02:25:01] SOME OF THEM BEING MINOR, BUT A COUPLE OF THEM, UH, ALSO BEING MAJOR, UH, REQUESTS AS WELL. UH, THE FIRST TWO I'LL DISCUSS ARE PERSONNEL WISE. UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, CONTINUES TO GROW. UH, AND SO OUR NUMBERS DURING, UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT BUDGET CUTS, WE HAD UNFORTUNATELY HAD SOME POSITIONS THAT WERE VACANT, UH, THAT BECAME FROZEN THAT NEVER CAME BACK. UH, AND, UH, MAIN ONES IN THAT REGARD ARE CREW MEMBERS AND THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR POSITION. UH, OUR DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO GROW IN AREAS OF, UH, LAKESIDE PARK CAME ON. WE HAD STAFF THAT WAS ALLOCATED TO THERE. UH, WE HAD A REDUCTION IN WHAT WAS FROZEN. UH, SO, UH, THE ADDITION OF LAKESIDE AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF ABIGAIL S. PARK, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS, UH, THAT FOOTPRINT HAS GROWN AS WELL. UH, SO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES THERE. UH, THE ADDITIONAL OF THE NEW BASEBALL FIELD, THE NEW SOFTBALL FIELD, UH, NOT ONLY THE SOFTBALL FIELD, BUT WE ACQUIRED ADDITIONAL LAND AROUND THAT PROPERTY. UH, SO OUR FOOTPRINT HAS, UH, INCREASED IMMENSELY. WE OWN THE PARKING LOTS, A PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT BY KA KATZ ACADEMY, UH, COMING INTO BATES, AS WELL AS, UH, EVEN MORE PROPERTY BEHIND KATZ ACADEMY OUTSIDE OF THAT FIELD. UH, IN ADDITION TO PROPERTY AROUND THE, THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, WE OWN, UH, UH, ACQUIRED THAT LAND AS WELL. UH, SO OUR FOOTPRINT CONTINUES TO GROW, UH, BUT WE STILL LEARN AT THE STAFFING LEVELS, UH, WHERE WE WERE PREVIOUSLY. SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO ASK FOR REQUESTS TO SUPPORT, UH, OUR DEPARTMENTS AND THE NEEDS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UM, THE, UH, UH, IN ADDITION TO THOSE IS REQUEST FOR, UH, INCREASED APPAREL, UH, WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST HITS, WHICH ALSO HAS BEEN A BIG HIT TO OUR STAFF. UH, UH, WE, UH, TRY TO PROVIDE THEM WITH SHIRTS, PANTS, AND BOOTS. UH, OUR BUDGET GOT CUT DOWN TO WHERE THEY KIND OF GET A PICK OF ONE, UH, TO HOPEFULLY LAST 'EM THE FULL YEAR. UH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, SIMILAR TO PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD CONSTANTLY AND, UM, WHEN THEY COME BACK IN FROM A 90 DEGREE DAY, I WOULD NOT SAY SOME OF THEIR CLOTHES ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE FOR VERY LONG. UM, SO ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT WE'RE ASKING IS REGARDS TO THAT. UM, THE OTHER ONES ARE, UH, GENERAL SUPPLIES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL TOOLS, UH, UH, ON, UH, WATER FOR OUR STAFF AS WE TRANSITION TO A NEW PROCESS WITH THAT. UM, AND, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, KEEPING UP WITH ALL THE FLAGS AT ALL THE CITY FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE PARKS. UM, AS IN ADDITION THERE, OUR SMALL EQUIPMENT IS ONES THINGS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO OUR WEED EATERS, OUR EDGERS, UH, THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS DRASTICALLY REDUCED. UH, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF REPLACEMENT ON THOSE. UM, BUT WE WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THE CONTINUED, UH, UH, WEAR AND TEAR WE'VE HAD ON OUR EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF OUR STAFFING. UH, CURRENT STAFFING. UM, WE HAVE CHEMICAL SUPPLIES IN HERE. UH, AS WE HAVE GROWN IN FOOTPRINTS, WE'VE HAD TO START TO UTILIZE MORE OF THAT, UM, UH, ASSISTING WITH, UH, SOME OF THE DITCHES. AND WE'VE STARTED TO UTILIZE MORE TO MAINTAIN MORE WITH, UH, WEED CONTROL VERSUS, UH, TRYING TO KEEP THE GUYS OUTTA SOME OF THOSE DITCHES, UM, IS AN EXAMPLE THERE. UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS REDUCED IS HELPING TO MAINTAIN, UH, THE DOWNTOWN STREETLIGHTS, UH, ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES FOR OUR CHRISTMAS TREES. UM, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT OUR CU CURRENT SIDE, TREES THAT GO UP, WE DO NEED SOME, UH, UPGRADES THERE. A LOT OF THE LIGHTS ON THOSE TREES ARE ON THE TREE, OR THE POLE WRAPS DON'T CURRENTLY WORK. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, RECTIFY THAT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS APPROPRIATE. UH, CONTRACT LABOR, UH, IS AN INCREASING ONE THAT COMES FROM THINGS LIKE STUMP GRINDING. UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH BATES AND DICKEY, THAT IS THE FAVORITE PLACE TO LOSE TREES. UH, AND SO THERE'S A COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH SOME MAINTAIN THAT AND PROPERLY CLEAN THAT UP, UH, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL IRRIGATION REPAIRS TO BRING THAT LINE BACK. UM, EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WAS ANOTHER ONE. UH, BEING ABLE TO OFFER SOMETHING ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS FOR OUR TEAM TO, UH, SHOW THEIR VALUE OF WHAT THEY HAVE FOR, UH, THE CITY. UH, AND THEN THE ONE OF THEM I WILL SAY IS A NEW ADDITION IS THE LAST ONE THERE IS $10,000. IT WAS A REQUEST, UM, PREVIOUSLY, UH, TO EXPLORE THE TREE CANOPY THAT WE ARE LOSING AT BATES PARK. UH, THIS IS INITIAL COST TO START THAT CONVERSATION THAT WOULD START TO GET US, UH, TO REPLACE TREES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO LOSE. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THOSE TREES ARE GETTING UP IN AGE AND THE FREEZES THAT ARE DOING A NUMBER ON THEM, UH, WE BELIEVE, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT THREE TO FIVE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO TAKE DOWN. AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS ALREADY COME DOWN, UM, OR THE LIMBS THAT ARE COMING OFF. AND SO THAT WAS AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION TO LOOK AS FUNDING AS WELL. UM, YOU'LL ALSO, JASON, REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU KEEP GOING MM-HMM . ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, ARE THEY IN THE BUDGET? ARE THEY ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE [02:30:01] YELLOW? ONLY THE YELLOW ONES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE, UH, SUSIE HAS FOUND FUNDING FOR. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APPAREL AND I WAS LOOKING, I WAS LIKE, I'M ON THE BUDGET. I'M LIKE, THAT'S NOT INCREASED AND NO. YEAH. IT'S JUST THE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN YELLOW ARE THE ONES THAT SHE APPAREL. IF YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT, JOHN, THERE'S A YELLOW OF A THOUSAND. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I INCREASED IT BY. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SHOW IN THE BOOK. FIVE 50, GO TO FIVE 50. SEE THE 1000. YEAH. I'M, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING JUST AT OUR PRINT. LEMME SHOW YOU WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. YEAH, IT'S CORRECT. IT'S, IT'S STILL A FLAT ONE. YEAH, YEAH. NO, THIS IS BALANCING THE BUDGET. AND THEN HE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU YESTERDAY, AND HE, I SEE THIS AS A, AND HERE IS HIS REQUEST. SEE? AND THERE'S A THOUSAND. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. BUT THEY'RE NOT ON PAGE. THEY'RE NOT IN THERE. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN THE, YES. OKAY. THEY'RE ON THE FIRST PAGE, BASICALLY THE VERY, THE MASTER DOCUMENT THAT SHE HAD. YES. YEAH, THE MASTER. SO JUST THE, JUST THE COUPLE IN YELLOW ARE THE ONES THAT WERE CURRENTLY FUNDED. OKAY. UM, BUT THE OTHER ONES WERE NOT. UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THAT ONE, JOHN? WELL, BECAUSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN HERE, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION OF THE 166,000, WHAT, WHAT THAT COULD BE BEST SPENT ON. IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY WANT OUT OF HERE, YOU'VE GOTTA REALLY TELL US WHY. ADVOCATE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO ALL OF IT, UM, WE UNDERSTAND. YEP. WHAT WAS IT? 166? I CAN SPEND THAT PRETTY EASY. . UM, WELL, IN ADDITION TO, I MEAN, THIS, THIS COMES THE HARD PART. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS ONE FIRST. UH, I CAN TELL YOU, AND I KNOW PERSONNEL IS A HARD ONE, BUT THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN OVER AND WHAT IS TO COME AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TAKES PEOPLE TO MANAGE. UM, WE HAVE A BRAND NEW PARK THAT'S GONNA BE AN AMAZING PARK IN AN ADDITION. AND A MOWING CREW GETTING OUT DOWN A TRACTOR. VERY MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A, THE MOWING CREW GOING OUT ON THEIR ZERO TURNS AND EDGING AND TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN, UH, JUST HAVING A TRACTOR CREW. RIGHT? SO FULLY STAFFED FOR PARK STAFF WOULD BE A AMAZING ONE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF IT IS ALSO THE DIFFICULT ONE. UH, WE HAD AN AD PREVIOUSLY, WHICH HELPS TO MANAGE THE WORKLOAD OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS, HAVING THE PARKS AND RECREATION SIDE OF IT. UM, BUT I KNOW THOSE ARE REALLY BIG ASKS. THOSE ARE SUPER IMPORTANT. AND I CAN TELL YOU WORKLOAD HAS INCREASED AND WE CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE, BUT IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT AT TIMES TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE IN THE MANNER THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE OUR STANDARD AT. UM, ONE CREW MEMBER IS NOT GONNA GET YOU A PARK THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GONNA GET YOU A PARK, BUT IT'S GONNA HELP. THE EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE IS, UM, AND THIS, I'LL TELL YOU MINE PERSONALLY, IS PET PEEVE IS BEAUTIFICATION WISE HAS DROPPED SEVERELY SINCE WE HAVE GONE DOWN IN STAFF, UH, MAINTAINING GARDEN BEDS, THE TRASH PICKUP. SO OUR, WE HAD A CREW MEMBER THAT WAS IN, IN CHARGE OF BEAUTIFICATION THAT HELPED TO SUPPORT THAT. AND THEY WOULD HELP SUPPORT TRASH CLEANUP, WHICH GOES IN, IN LINE WITH JANITORIAL. UM, THAT NOW IS ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CREWS. SO ON MONDAY MORNINGS, CREWS HAVE TO GO AROUND AND DO TRASH CLEANUP THROUGHOUT THE PARKS, UH, TO MAKE SURE WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE WEEKEND IS NOW RECTIFIED. SO IT PROLONGS THEIR TIME FOR BEING ON THE MOWER, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CUT OUR TIMELINE DOWN. WE USED TO BE ON A FIVE TO SIX DAY MOWING SCHEDULE, AND WE ARE PROBABLY AT AN EIGHT TO 10 DAY MOWING SCHEDULE YET NOW. SO THERE ARE TIMES, UM, I MEAN, THE RAIN DOESN'T HELP AT ALL. UH, I CAN TELL YOU DICKIE PARK IS AN EXAMPLE I DROVE BY THERE. GRASS IS ALREADY TALL. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE CLUMPS OF GRASS FROM THE LAST TIME WE MOWED THAT ARE JUST BEING RAISED. AND THAT'S NOT THE WHAT WE'RE USED TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT. ANOTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT, AS FAR AS THE EMPLOYEES FOR PARKS, THEY'RE NOT 100% CHARGED TO THE GENERAL FUND. ANY PARK EMPLOYEE OR ANY TOTAL OF PERSONNEL FOR PARKS, 30% IS PAID BY A BLC. HMM. UM, THANK YOU SUSIE. UM, AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT OTHER ONES, I MEAN, APPAREL AND APP PULLING APPRECIATION, THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE TO MY BIGGEST BECAUSE THE, UH, MORE VALUE MY STAFF HAS, UH, THE, UH, MORE DEDICATED THEY BECOME AND THE VALUE THAT THEY RECEIVED, THE APPRECIATION THAT THEY HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. I KNOW THE TREES WAS AN IMPORTANT ONE. UM, I THINK THAT DEFINITELY SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE ON OUR RADAR. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST SMALLER. UH, WE HAVE LEVERAGED KAB, SO THAT IS ANOTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THE DICATION SIDE. SO THAT CAN BE A DIRECTIVE TO SEE IF WE CAN UTILIZE KAB FUNDS. I CAN TELL YOU KAB DOES HAVE FUND BALANCE. UM, AND SO THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT, RIGHT? [02:35:01] UM, IT JUST RIGHT NOW FITS WITHIN PARKS AND RECREATION, SO WE HAVE A, THE OPPORTUNITY THERE. UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THE BIG ONES BEING THE EMPLOYEE AND THE, UH, WHAT EMPLOYEES NEED. UH, I CAN ALSO TELL YOU, UM, WE'RE GOING TO A BRAND NEW BUILDING, UH, AND SOME, YOU WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF YOU SAW SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THEY WORKED WITH AND THEY, UH, THE WORKBENCHES THEY HAVE AND THE STORAGE THAT THEY HAVE. UH, AND THAT WOULD HELP GET US TO A PLACE OF THEM HAVING, UH, THE THINGS THEY NEED TO GO INTO THAT NEW BUILDING, UM, AND BRING A STEP BACK TO THAT POINT. OR OUR, UH, MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO GROW, SO THEIR NEED FOR, UH, TOOLS IS CONTINUE TO INCREASE TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB. SO, UM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO TO NAVIGATE SOME OF IT. BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I WOULD, IF I NEED TWO, MAYBE THE 20, THE TWO $10,000 ONES WE COULD LEVERAGE FROM KEB. UH, BUT THE OTHER ONES HAVE A VERY SIMILAR VALUE TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THE STANDARD THAT WE'RE USED TO AND WE SHOULD BE AT. SO JUST SUSAN, THE POSITION CREW MEMBER, 58,000, 30% OF THAT WOULD COME OUT OF A BLC. MM-HMM . 30% WOULD COME OUT OF A BLC. SO PORTION, UH, THAT WOULD BE 116,000 110. OUR PORTION FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS 37,950 FOR THE YEAR. I WANNA GO BACK TO THIS CREW MEMBER POSITION. THAT IS THE CREW MEMBER. IT'S RIGHT THERE. THE, UH, UH, SO I WANNA TALK TO ABOUT THIS CREW MEMBER POSITION MORE IS THE FACT THAT IF WE HIRED SOMEBODY, DO THEY EVEN HAVE THE EQUIPMENT AND THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO? I MEAN, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ONE OF HIS OTHER REQUESTS, RIGHT? UH, SO WE WOULD HAVE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT. YEAH. SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION ONE, RIGHT? UM, EXTRA NEED EATERS AND LAWNMOWERS, SOMEBODY CAN PICK UP A VEHICLE. I MEAN, SO THERE IS A SHARED VEHICLE. SO THEY WORK KINDA HAND IN HAND WITH THE JANITORIAL ONE TO BE ABLE BE ON SITE. SO WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PARKS, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO WE HAVEN'T LOST VEHICLES THROUGH THE TRANSITION OF 'EM. SO THE, THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE DON'T BRING ANYTHING MORE THAN WE NEEDED PRIOR. UM, SO THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THAT. UM, SO THERE WOULDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY BE THAT NEED. UH, THE ONE OF THE OTHER ONES IS, UH, WE DO HAVE A SMALLER TRACTOR, UH, SO ON OUR TRACTOR CREW, UM, THAT SITS DORMANT WHEN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT. AND SO, UH, THERE'S SUPPORT THAT GOES WITH THAT ONE. SO THEY HAVE THE CURRENT EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB. YES. WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY HIT A BLC UP FOR THE TREES. 10,000. YEAH. A BLC OR KB ONE SPLITTER? BOTH. YEAH. I MEAN BOTH. BOTH. AND DEALING. ALL RIGHT. YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD. K SPLIT SPLIT BALANCE. THEY BOTH KAB HAS A GOOD BALANCE. SUPPOSED TO BE DOWN THE MIDDLE. SOMEBODY CHRISY WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? KABI HAVE IT OPEN. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THEY, THEY DO HAVE A GOOD BALANCE. THEY HAVE. GOOD. BUT DO YOU THINK KAB WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT? I THINK SO. YEAH. AND I LIKE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS TREES TOO. WE CAN, I THINK LIKE WE NEED TO START MOVING THOUGH. IF THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TAKING THREE TO FOUR MORE DOWN THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA START ADDING UP PRETTY QUICK. MM-HMM . BEFORE YOU KNOW WHAT OUR BEAUTIFUL PARKS WILL BE. I DON'T SAY TREELESS, BUT BE BARE. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY THAT THOSE ARE BAYS AND DAYCARE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST TREES IN THEM. AND SO, I MEAN, JUST THE, THE LAST UH, LITTLE WIND EVENT THAT CAME THROUGH TOOK DOWN TWO, UH, IN DICKEY'S SIDE. BUT, UH, SAME THING. I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOSING THE DENSITY THAT COMES WITH THAT ONE. SO IT'S BECOMING MORE OF A PROBLEM. DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PECAN TREES? THERE'S MORE THAN THAT. I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT PECAN. YEAH. YEAH. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THAT'S THAT ONE. YEAH. BUT THAT'S JUST TO START THE PROCESS. THAT'S JUST CALLED ONE 800 FIXED MY PECAN TREES. RIGHT? UM, NOT, NOT, THAT'S JUST REPLACEMENT OF, THAT'S REPLACE, THAT'S A ANNUAL STARTING AN ANNUAL REPLACEMENT. NO, BUT WHO HAS COME OUT AND SURVEYED IT? AN ARBORIST SPECIALIZED IN PECAN TREES. SO THAT'S A, A SECONDARY PIECE OF, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS TWO IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW THAT I DON'T NEED ANYBODY TO SURVEY BECAUSE WE'RE IN BLOOMING SEASON AND THEY'RE NOT BLOOMING. AND THEY'RE NOT BLOOMING AND THEY'RE FALLING APART. RIGHT. SO THERE'S SOME OF THAT. RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REPLACEMENT, SOME OF THIS REPLACEMENT IS JUST TO GET US [02:40:01] TO WHERE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT BEFORE MM-HMM . AND SO THIS WOULD START THAT PROCESS OF POTENTIALLY GETTING US UP TO 10 TREES OF WHAT HAS ALREADY PREEXISTING BEEN LOST, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THEN WE WOULD START THAT AND LOOK AT ADDITIONAL REQUESTS AND SAY, OKAY, WE'VE, WE'RE STARTING THERE, WE'RE DOING RESTORATION. HERE'S WHERE SOMEBODY'S COME OUT AND BEING ABLE TO ANALYZE AND SAY, YOU PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT THIS OR THESE TREES AND POTENTIALLY TAKE THOSE DOWN BEFORE THEY BECOME A PROBLEM. BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE PECAN TREES IS ONCE REALLY THE, THE FREEZE IS THE ONES THAT'S HURTING THE BIGGEST. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE UNTIL WE SEE THE MASSIVE LIMBS COMING DOWN. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S STARTING TO IMPACT US IS, I KNOW IT IS ALSO TRUE FOR OAK TREES. CERTAIN OAK TREES TALK TO EACH OTHER. YEAH. ONE GOES DOWN, THEY SHARE KINDA LIKE THEIR DNA YEAH. MM-HMM . AND ONE GOES DOWN, OTHERS WILL GO DOWN MM-HMM . AND THEY'RE, THEY SHARE CERTAIN ROUTES. SO MAYBE THE SECOND ONE WON'T, BUT THE THIRD AND FOURTH AND FIFTH WILL. YEAH. SO YEAH, WE NEED A ARBORIST IN THERE SOMEWHERE, SOME SOMETIME. AND WE CAN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PLANS WE HAVE IS THAT CONTRACT LABOR PIECE. OKAY. IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN TO IDENTIFY OUR CURRENT. OKAY. UH, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, I MEAN THE SIZE OF THE TREES AS WELL IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF OUR STAFF. TRUE. TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE AND SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN BUY A FEW YEARS BY CUTTING SOME OF THESE LIMBS OFF. RIGHT. AND YOU MIGHT BE, WE CAN REEVALUATE. SO THAT IS ONE OF OUR CURRENT PLANS IS TO DO THAT. RIGHT. THIS IS REALLY MORE SO TO START THE RESTORATION OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY LOST OR WE KNOW WE ARE REMOVING BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD UHHUH. YEP. SO YOU HAVE DEAD TREES IN SOME OF THE PARKS? UM, MAINLY IN BATES RIGHT NOW. OKAY. YEAH. BATES IS THE BIGGEST ONE. THEY TOOK DOWN TWO DEAD TREES RECENTLY, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO, IF I RECALL TWO MORE THAT NEED TO COME DOWN. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ONES THAT WEREN'T DEAD. YEAH. AND DICKY THAT CAME DOWN THAT ARE THEY BARRICADED IN AWAY FOR SAFETY? UM, THEY HAVE DONE SOME INITIAL WORK ON THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WON'T BE OF IMPACT. OKAY. AND THEY'RE IN LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW THAT AREN'T HEAVILY IMPACTED. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THESE WERE THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT WERE DONE BY PARKS AND ONLY THE YELLOWS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE BALANCING OF THE BUDGET. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO CHANGE OR ADD TO? WHAT ARE THE CHEMICAL SUPPLIES FOR, UH, PESTICIDES AND STUFF OR INCREASE ON THAT OR INCREASE PARK USAGE? DO YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH SOMEBODY OR JUST THAT'S DONE IN-HOUSE? DO WE HAVE THE LICENSE? UH, NOT CURRENTLY. WE ARE UTILIZING A, UH, CITY EMPLOYEE WHO HAS THE LICENSE. OH, WE DO DEPARTMENT. SOMEBODY ON STAFF THAT HAS LICENSE. YEAH. JACOB GLOVER HAS A LICENSE. JACOB DOES. AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE UNDER HIS, BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PARK SUPERINTENDENT TO BE CERTIFIED. SO, AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO SEE, UH, IF WE MIGHT HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED A POTENTIALLY A CREW LEAD THAT IN THE EVENT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A BACKUP IN THE FUTURE. SO. YEP. NOW THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, THAT'S ONLY IN THE PARKS THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . WELL AND RIGHT OF WAYS. THAT'S WHERE MY, WE MANAGE AND WHAT RIGHT OF AND THE RIGHT OF WAYS. SO PART OF OUR, OUR RIGHT OF WAY CREW. SO EXAMPLE IS, UH, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. VER IS ONE OF THE VERY BIG ONES. WE DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, UH, TO MANAGE THAT DITCH WELL BECAUSE OF HOW STEEP AND SHALLOW IT IS AT THAT ONE SPOT. WE CAN GET ONE SIDE, WE CAN GET THE OTHER. AND SO THAT IS A WHOLE LOT OF PRODUCT THAT GOES IN SPECIFICALLY IN THAT ONE. SO, BUT YEAH, THAT IS A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THEM. AND WHERE IS THIS AGAIN? UH, BER IS ONE OF THE BIG KYBER RESERVE. OH, THAT DITCH ALONG THERE DOWNING. UM, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WE DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SLOPE MOWER TO BE ABLE TO REACH OVER THERE. UM, AND SO WE'RE, UH, EXPLORING THAT. I CAN SAY FUTURE WISE, I'M WORKING WITH STAFF ON, UH, POTENTIAL ON THE DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT EQUIPMENT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES? 'CAUSE WE'RE ALSO RUNNING INTO GROWTH AT, UH, UH, IT'S OFF A BRUSHY, GRAYSTONE HIN, GRAYSTONE, IT L'S OVER MM-HMM . AND SO WE MANAGE GRAYSTONE AND ONE OF L'S OVER THE OPPOSITE SIDE BECAUSE OF THE TREE GROWTH AND EVERYTHING THAT'S OVER. WE CAN'T PROPERLY GET THE MOWERS IN THERE, BUT IF WE COULD ATTACK IT FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WE WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. IT'S JUST, I WONDER WHY IT'S NOT GRAYSTONE'S. HOA IT SHOULD BE. MM-HMM . IT SHOULD BE ON BRUSHY BIO, UH, NOT ON BRUSH. SO IT'S WHERE BRUSHY BIO CONNECTS. UM, THE BACK PART. IT'S BEHIND IT. SO IT [02:45:01] GOES, THERE'S A SECTION FROM, IT'S, UH, WE MAINTAIN FROM HENDERSON ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE IT, UH, GOES EAST. THAT PLACE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. YES. THEY WILL TELL YOU GRAYSTONE DOES HELP MANAGE SOME OF IT UHHUH. UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY HELP MANAGE THEIR, THEIR SIDE. UH, BUT THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS THE OLD SUBDIVISION. YEAH. UM, AND SO THAT SIDE IS BECOMING MORE INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO GET TO. YEAH. UH, BECAUSE OF, THERE'S TREE LINES, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTH OF THAT PROPERTY, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT PAVING OVER CONCRETE, SO WE NEVER HAVE TO MESS WITH IT. HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS PART RIGHT HERE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THEIRS. THAT YEAH. SEE HOW IT LS BACK COMES BACK. YEAH. THE L'S OVER THE BRUSHY. SO, AND THAT'S, THAT SLOPE IS STEEP AND THERE'S TREES THERE, SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET ANY, THE EQUIPMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THIS YEAR ESPECIALLY, WE'VE HAD A LOT MORE WORK ORDERS COMING FORWARD BECAUSE OF THE RAIN AND OUR STAFF JUST HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TRAVERSE THE, THE DISH. SO, BUT YES, THAT IS FOR BOTH RIGHT OF WAYS AND FOR PARKS. SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR HOW WE GO. AND YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE, IT'S THE FACT THAT IT'S, UH, THE SLOPE OF THE DITCH THERE. SLOPE AND VEGETATION. SO SOME OF, MOST OF THE STUFF THAT WOULD BE NORTH SOUTH WE CAN DO. UH, BUT ONCE YOU START TO GET TO THE EAST, WEST SIDE, THAT TREE LINE THAT COMES ALONG THERE IS AND STARTS TO IMPEDE. SO YOU CAN'T GET THE SAME EQUIPMENT IN THERE. YOU CAN GET IT ON THE ONE SIDE, BUT IT'S HARD TO GET IT ON THE OTHER SIDE. GOATS, WE CAN BUY SOME GOATS A LOT CHEAPER THAN 1200 GOATS. GOAT ESCAPING DID IT. THEY PINNED OFF THAT ONE SECTION, PUT A BUNCH OF GOATS IN THERE AND IT WAS CLEANED UP IN A WEEK. WE GONNA BUY 'EM. OR WE CAN RENT, WE CAN DO, WE CAN HAVE LUNCH AFTER . YES. YOU ALSO WORK, WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME, SOME OH YEAH. SHOWING GOATS AND THEY NEED TO FF FFA STUDENTS. TANNER. TANNER LIKES THE HOW BIG OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKING. SO I'M RUNNING DOWN BY GOATS, RAM GOAT FROM STUDENTS. SOMEBODY WHO DOES, DO WE HAVE, I WAS SAYING IF WE DON'T, IF WE BUY 'EM, WE GOTTA PLAY IT. WE GOTTA PUT 'EM SOMEWHERE. SO I, I GOT PLATES, . UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY? NO. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE BALANCING THE BUDGET? NOTHING YET. 'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE GONNA BE SOURCED FROM DIFFERENT FUNDS. OKAY. BUT KEEP, HOW ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE? I THINK WE GOTTA KEEP AN EYE. LET'S JUST UNDER CONSIDERATION, WE'LL KEEP IT UNDER CONSIDERATION. OKAY. ALONG WITH THIS ONE, I DID HAVE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET, THESE WERE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAD ASKED FOR. SO THE BRUSH CUTTER, THE MULCH AND THE TRAILER, THAT WAS THE 44 THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE BUDGET ALREADY. BUT THE SKID STEER HASN'T NO. OR THE GAP. YEAH. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FINAL PIECE ON THAT ONE. REALLY GOOD , THOSE TWO HAVE NOT OH, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE CREW MEMBER, IS THAT TOTAL, IS THAT SALARY PLUS BENEFITS? YES. YEAH. THAT TOTALS EVERYTHING. THANK YOU. YEP. OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT WAS ADDED SHOULD HAVE BEEN YELLOW FOR PARKS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT STUFF? OTHER THAN THAT, HIS BUDGETS REMAINED THE SAME. I REALLY WANNA FIND A WAY TO GET THAT SKID STEER. THAT SHOULD BE A, SOMETHING WE GET SO WE CAN UTILIZE IT INSTEAD OF US RENTING EVERY TIME WE NEED ONE. YEP. AND, AND WE, AND HECTOR AND I, I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BOTH USE, ESPECIALLY IF WE GET THE TRACK LOADER RIGHT. UM, IT WOULD BE MORE VERSATILE FOR US. AND KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU COULD PUT A CUTTER ON THE FRONT OF THAT AS WELL AND MAYBE CUT SOME OF THOSE RIGHT OF AWAYS WITH IT. MM-HMM . UM, YEAH, WERE THE ONE, THE ONES WE HAD IN THERE. YEP. WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. YOU GOT SOME OF THAT MONEY LEFT OUTTA THE BARREL V TO THAT THE MONEY I HAVE LEFT OVER IS GOING TO BE USED FOR THE MONEY THAT WE NEED FOR THE TWO GENERATOR GRANTS. OKAY. HEY, GARY, SPENT IT, YOU KNOW, HER. UH, LAST THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT IS, UH, I DID PASS A SHEET TO Y'ALL AS FAR AS OUR, UH, THE NEXT THREE YEARS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. UM, UH, I'M GONNA BRIEFLY TOUCH ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE FROM THIS FISCAL YEAR. UH, BUT WHERE WE GO INTO MORE FUTURE WISE, UH, THIS [02:50:01] WAS, HAS, UH, KIND OF EMBEDDED THROUGH THE PARKS BOARD AS WELL AS A BLC. UH, SO A NEW INITIATIVE WE KICKED OFF THIS YEAR IS WE ARE STARTING A, UH, PARK ASSESSMENT TO EVALUATE ALL OUR PARKS, UTILIZE THAT, UH, INFORMATION TO ALLOW PARKS BOARD. ONE OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO DEVELOP OUR PROJECT PRIORITY LIST, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT OUR DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE. UH, AND SO WE MOVED THROUGH THAT. THEY START WITH THE PROJECT PRIORITY. WE BRING THAT TO A BLC FOR CONSIDERATION FIRST, UH, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY WOULD CONSIDER FOR FUNDING. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UH, NEXT STEP WOULD BE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR THAT SAME CONSIDERATION. UH, SO WE DID THAT AND STARTED THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR. SO AGAIN, SOME THINGS TO HIGHLIGHTS AS FAR AS, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR, ANYTHING YOU SEE IN BLACK IS FUNDED ITEMS. UH, TWO ITEMS I WILL POINT OUT, UH, IS, UH, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM THERE IS THE 13,000 AND THE 60,000. UH, THOSE WERE TWO ITEMS ON THE PARKS PRIORITY LIST. THAT'S A BLC. CHOSE TO USE THEIR CONTINGENCY LINE THIS YEAR FOR, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT TWO KNOCKOUT, UH, PARKING LOT PAINTING FOR, UH, OUR PARKS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, SHADE STRUCTURES FOR THREE AND FIELD THREE AND FOUR AT BATES PARK. UM, SO THEY, THAT WAS PROJECT PRIORITY NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER THREE ON THEIR PARKS PRIORITY LIST. UH, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT THERE. UH, AS WELL AS THAT, I WILL POINT OUT THAT A BLC IS ALSO USING CONTINGENCY LINE TO SUPPORT A DRAINAGE PROJECT. UH, SO THAT NORTHVIEW DRAIN IS ONE, JUST, UH, UNDERNEATH THAT IS ONE THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTING AS WELL. SO, UH, FULLY FUNDED, UH, FOR THOSE PROJECTS, UH, TIES INTO THE NEXT YEAR. UM, AND I DO APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE IT WASN'T ON THIS LIST, UH, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT. BUT, UH, THERE, YOU'LL SEE ON HERE A MOWER THERE. UH, WE ON A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE, UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO REPLACE ONE OF OUR MOWERS AGAIN. UM, IT SHOULD HOPEFULLY CATCH US UP AS LONG AS WE KEEP MOVING ALONG. UM, EVEN THOUGH THE ADDITIONAL WEAR AND TEAR, WE MIGHT HAVE A GAP YEAR NEXT YEAR ROUND, BUT WE STILL WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL MOWER TO KEEP UP WITH WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT. UM, AND THE MILES THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON OUR MOWERS. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE I WOULD REQUEST. THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL, IF WE CAN LOOK AT FUNDING FOR THAT ONE, ISN'T IT? IT'S YELLOW, SO THAT MEANS IT'S FUNDED, RIGHT? UM, THE BRUSH HOG MOWER, THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM PUBLIC WORKS. YEAH. UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZERO TURN, 72 INCH, THE, THE ZERO TURN. YES. UM, I WILL SAY THAT IF THE COST SAVINGS IS SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT, WE COULD GO BACK TO A 60 INCH ONE. UM, UH, AND SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE, BUT WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS TOO. BUT THE 15 INCH ONE OR THE 6 72 INCH ONE WAS ABOUT $15,000. UM, AS WELL AS THOSE, THEY, UH, YOU'LL SEE IN RED HERE. UH, OUR PARKS AND FACILITY ADA, A TRANSITION PLAN. THIS WAS A PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2021. UH, THE FUNDING FOR THIS ONE, UH, IS JUST A ROLLOVER. UH, WE HAVEN'T, UH, RECEIVED SPECIFIC FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, OR FOR THE A DA TRANSITION PLAN. UH, UH, IN ANY OF THE YEARS, WE'VE UTILIZED FUNDS AS WE CAN FROM, UH, PARKS, UH, AS WELL AS WHEN PROJECTS COME ALONG. BUT THIS IS TO SUPPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, SIDEWALK TIE TO THE ROAD. SOME OF THEM ENCOMPASSED THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THAT TIE-IN. UH, EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE FOR THAT IS THINK ABOUT MASTERSON. WE DID SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THERE. UH, BUT TRUE 88 DOES NOT COME UP WHEN YOU GET INTO THE STREETS. UM, BUT THE SIDEWALK HAS COMPLIANCE. IT'S JUST THE STREET HASN'T BEEN TACKLED YET. RIGHT. UH, BATES PARK, UH, A DA COMPLIANCE, UH, THE PLAY PLAYGROUND, THE PAVILION, PAVILION ONE DOESN'T HAVE THAT. THERE'S NO A DA COMPLIANCE SIDEWALK TO GET TO THOSE. UH, SO IT CAN INCLUDES ITEMS LIKE THAT. UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SKATE PARK FUNDING, UH, TO BE ABLE TO ADD TO ABIGAIL. UM, AND THEN WHEN WE JUMP TO THE OTHER ONES, SO THE NEXT ONES I'M GONNA READ OFF ARE ALL PARK PRIORITY ITEMS THAT THEY LISTED OUT. UH, THEY WANT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPROVEMENTS TO BATES PARK PAVILION, PAVILION ONE, AND THE PLAYGROUND. UH, THAT WAS PRIORITY NUMBER TWO. UH, ADDITIONAL SHADE CANOPIES AT BATES PARK FIELD FIVE AND SIX WOULD BE, UH, PRIORITY ITEM THREE. UH, HENDERSON ROAD, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. UH, NEEDS REPAIRS. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE DIRECTION IS GONNA BE THERE, BUT THAT WOULD BE PRIORITY NUMBER FOUR. UH, LAKESIDE PARK PLAYGROUND SHADE STRUCTURES WITH SOMETHING THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, UH, SEEING. THAT'S FIVE ADDITIONAL, UH, PARKING AT BATES PARK. UH, DOG PARK PLAY AMENITIES AND SHADE CANOPY UPGRADE OUR PLAY AMENITIES. AND, UH, WE USED TO HAVE A SHADE CANOPY THAT BROKE AND IS NO LONGER RESISTING. UH, SO THAT WOULD GET US A SHADE CANOPY AGAIN. UM, UH, MASTER PARK PAVILION, UH, AS WELL. UPGRADES, UH, TO THAT ONE. UM, UH, FREEDOM PARK LARGE PAVILION, ADDING A LARGE LARGER PAVILION. FREEDOM PARK [02:55:01] HAS THE SMALLEST PAVILIONS, UH, AT, UH, OUR PARKS AND REALLY ONLY ENCOMPASS ABOUT ONE PICNIC TABLE, UH, FREEDOM PARK PASSIVE AREA, UM, IS TO CONTINUE THE INVESTMENT INTO THE LAND THAT WE HAVE ON THE OP. THE NORTH SIDE OF FREEDOM PARK WOULD GET US A BRIDGE OVER THERE AND MAYBE MINOR TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS. WE DID HAVE A PLAN THAT WENT WITH THIS. IT WAS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THE BRIDGE, THE BRIDGE OVER THE WEER AS WELL AS THE A FULL TRAIL. UM, WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO TRY TO TAKE THIS MORE IN CHUNKS OF GETTING A BRIDGE OVER THERE SO IT'S ACCESSIBLE, AND THEN WE CAN CREATE MORE OF A NATURAL TRAIL, UM, AND GO THROUGH THERE. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT WANTED TO LOOK EXPLORING IS IMPROVEMENTS TO VETERAN PARK AND LOOKING AT A STAGER AMPHITHEATER, BUT IS ALL CONTINGENT ON, UM, WHAT THAT PARK FULL, UH, UH, OUTLOOK LOOKS LIKE. SO, UH, THESE ARE ALL IN ADDITION TO OUR GENERAL, UM, REQUEST AS FAR AS OUR BUDGET GOES, THAT THESE WERE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR SUPPORT AND FUNDING ON. SO, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE AS WELL. I MEAN, WE, I COULD SPEND ANOTHER HOUR TALKING ABOUT THIS, SO I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT. YEAH. AND WHERE'S THE NUMBERS? YEAH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL HAD SEEN SOME OF THE WORK AS WELL, THAT PARKS BOARD HAS DONE, UM, AS THEY'VE LISTED SOME OF THE PRIORITIES. SO, UH, WHILE NEW PARKS MAY NOT BE COMING, THERE ARE STILL NEEDS FOR OUR PARKS. I SAID THAT ONE, THE 160,000 I COULD SPEND PRETTY EASILY FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. I'M SURE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS COULD SAY THE SAME THING. , ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY. I'M GONNA GO INTO A BLC AND THEN I'LL, UM, I'LL LET MY STAFF COME UP, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THEIR BUDGETS. LET'S, READY. MAYOR, UH, WHENEVER YOU WANT TO STOP. LET'S, IT GOES. KAB. WHAT'S THAT? KAB? YEAH, LET'S K. THAT HELPS DO KAB REAL QUICK. DO KAB FIRST? YEAH. OKAY. UM, KB WISE, UH, AS THE MOST PART, AS YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT THIS ONE SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK. UM, WE'VE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THIS BEING FLATS. UH, I HAD SOME OF THE VERBIAGE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT TRANSFERRED OVER FROM LAST YEAR. SO LIKE, HGAC, THAT GRANT, UH, WE, WE DIDN'T CURRENTLY HAVE. UM, A COUPLE THINGS I WILL WANT TO POINT OUT WITH THIS ONE THOUGH. UH, CLEANUP COSTS HAVE STARTED TO CREEP UP QUITE A BIT. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THOSE COSTS COME IN NORTH OF $10,000 PER EVENT. UM, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOMPASS THAT AND TRYING TO FIND, UH, DIFFERENT WAYS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL AS, UH, PROVIDE A CONTINUING OFFERING. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO EVALUATE, UH, WORKING WITH THE BOARD ON TO SEE IF WE ARE WANNA LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES TO IT. BUT THAT'S ABOUT THE COST. UH, JUST OVER $20,000 IS GONNA BE PER EVENT. UM, AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, PUTTING MORE MINIMUMS ON THINGS. UH, I CAN TELL YOU EXAMPLE IS PAINT. UH, WE'RE HEADING CLOSE TO 3 30, 500 TO 4,000 JUST FOR PAINT RECYCLING. UM, SO IT'S A GREAT SERVICE, BUT IT'S ALSO GETTING COSTLY. WE'VE ALSO SEEN AN INCREASE IN, UM, ELECTRONICS AND THE, UH, DATA SHREDDING HAS ALSO SEEN AN INCREASE AS WELL. SO, UH, WANTED TO POINT THAT ONE OUT. UH, THE DECREASE IN THE DUES IN SUBSCRIPTIONS, UM, KEEP BRAZO COUNTY BEAUTIFUL. USED TO CHARGE US A FEE FOR, UM, RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE, UH, THEIR CHEMICAL, UM, RECYCLING, UH, OUT AT THE, UH, THE DUMP KB OR KEEP BRAZO COUNTY BEAUTIFUL. HAS HAD TRANSITIONS AND IT, THEY'VE KIND OF DISAPPEARED. UM, AND SO WE DID NOT GET BILLED THIS YEAR, AND WE DON'T ANTICIPATE GETTING BILLED NEXT YEAR FOR THAT. UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THERE. UM, AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP THEIRS FLAP, BUT THE MAIN ONE WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE, UH, FUND BALANCE. UM, THEY DO HAVE A GOOD, UH, FUN BALANCE THAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE SITTING AT AS FAR AS KB GOES. SO THEIRS IS PRETTY, UH, EASY ONE, BUT ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER? I, I'M HAPPY TO. I'M GOOD. . LUNCH TIME, LUNCHTIME. OKAY. EVERYONE GO GET YOUR FOOD AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK OVER HERE AND KEEP GOING. FEELING TOO MUCH. HEY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE LEAVING 11. WELL, I'M LATE. . YOU'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF ME. . NO, BUD. I'LL COME BACK. IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY. I'LL COME BACK. I WANNA BREAK FOR LUNCH. YES. OKAY. FINISH UP FOR US. YEP. . [03:00:01] WELL, WE'RE GONNA JUMP TO A, B, C. OKAY. UH, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND REVIEW ALCS UH, FUNDING FOR THIS, UH, FISCAL YEAR. UH, I WILL TELL YOU, UH, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SALES TAX, OUR CURRENT SALES TAX FOR THIS YEAR IS NOT PROJECTED TO BE WHAT WE ANTICIPATED. WE ANTICIPATED A 6% JUMP THIS YEAR, WHICH WAS TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE. UH, WE NEEDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE. UH, SO, UH, KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS AND WHAT THAT, UH, PRICE INCREASE WILL LOOK LIKE. UM, AND SO WE ARE PROJECTING A CONSERVATIVE 3% JUMP THIS YEAR, UH, FROM WHAT WE PROJECT TO END THIS YEAR WITH. SO, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN, UM, 27TH. DID YOU INCREASE THE THREE AND A HALF? WE DID SEE WHERE'S THE, YOU HAVE THE, ON THE REVENUE SIDE. I MEAN, I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE THIS CASE SINCE WE JUST DID IT THIS MORNING, SO YEAH, FINE. WE DIDN'T DO THREE POINT A HALF. NO, WE DID 3%. IT WAS THIS, BUT WE, WE, WE CHANGED THREE AND A HALF. OKAY. I CHANGED THREE. YOU CHANGED IT TO THREE AND A HALF. OKAY. UM, WHERE'S THE, THE REVENUE PORTION, IS IT JUST ON THE FRONT SHEET? THE REVENUE PORTION? DO YOU HAVE, I'M SORRY? DO YOU HAVE THE REVENUE? UM, UH, UH, ACCOUNTS? IF NOT, THAT'S OKAY. I CAN JUST READ THEM. IT'S RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND SO THIS IS STILL IN THE 3%, OR IS THIS THE THREE AND A HALF? SUSIE? IT'S GOING UP TO THREE AND A HALF. OKAY. GOING UP TO THREE AND A HALF. UM, AND SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS, AS WE MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. THIS IS, UH, WE WILL MAKE THAT FOR THE FINAL BUDGET. UM, BUT LOOKING AT THE CURRENT TRENDS, UH, WE WANTED TO BRING THAT DOWN VERSUS WHAT THE 6% WAS. SO THAT'S, THAT IS BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS HERE. UM, YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE EXPENSE SIDE OF THINGS, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE CHANGES. WE, UH, WILL SEE A DEBT SERVICE ROLL OFF ON A BLC, WHICH IS GONNA FREE UP A LITTLE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. SO THAT KIND OF TIES IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU SEE FOR CONTINGENCY. SO WE WILL HAVE AN INCREASE IN CONTINGENCY. UM, KEEP IN MIND IT'S A GREAT POINT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. FOR THESE, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE COST OR THE POTENTIAL RAISES. SO THIS IS JUST BASELINE OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED. SO IF RAISES, UH, DO, UH, GET INCLUDED, WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST THESE NUMBERS TO INCLUDE THOSE. SO, UH, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE NOTES THAT SUSIE HAS PUT ON, UH, THE SIDE HERE. UM, IN ADDITION THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH A DEBT SERVICE IS ROLLING OFF, WE DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DEBT PAYMENT OR FINANCE PAYMENT THAT IS COMING INTO ACCOUNT, UH, THAT IS FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR FREEDOM PARK. UH, SO THAT WILL COME ON. THERE WAS ABOUT, IF I RECALL, ABOUT $50,000 DIFFERENCE, ABOUT 142,000 WAS THE DIFFERENCE OF THE DEBT SERVICE, UH, PAYMENT THAT'S ROLLING OFF, UH, COMING OFF THIS YEAR. UM, AS WE CAN MOVE, UH, CONTINUE MOVING THROUGH THAT, YOU'LL SEE THE ALLOCATIONS FROM THAT WILL BE TRANSFERS TO THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AT A 30% COST FOR ALL, UH, PARKS PERSONNEL, UH, AS WELL AS THE TRANSFER AMOUNT. STATUS FOR DEBT SERVICE IS, AGAIN, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT ONE ABOUT $140,000 DIFFERENCE. UM, THEY TRANSFER TO THE ANGLETON RECREATION CENTER, UH, AND THEY TRANSFER TO THE RECREATION, UH, OPERATIONS OR RECREATION REC DIVISION. UH, I WILL POINT OUT THE SPECIFIC ONES ON THAT. UH, AND WHEN, UH, HAR AND JERRY GET UP HERE, THEY'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT ONE. UM, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS AND WHEN WE LOOK AT REVENUES AND EXPENSES, YOU'RE ACTUALLY SEEING A LESS REQUEST COMING FROM A, UH, THE REC CENTER. UH, SO THERE'S LESS IMPACT ON A BLC THIS YEAR. UH, SIMILAR TO THE REC DIVISION, THEIRS IS REMAINING FLAT, THEIR REQUEST COMING IN, AND THAT'S BASED ON HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO INCREASE REVENUES FOR ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS TO COVER COSTS. SO, UM, AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THOSE STILL DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IF WE NEED THE 3% OR A RAISE ADJUSTMENT FOR PERSONNEL. SO, RIGHT. REAL QUICK, BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, 'CAUSE YOU SAID SOMETHING, AND I'M SUSAN, I AND I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY AND I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IT THE SAME WAY. THE BOND PAYMENT THAT ENDED THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. SO WHAT WAS THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT AT A BOC THIS YEAR? THAT'S THE 6 97. THE 6 97, YEAH, THE 6 97, WHICH FALLS TO 5 47. YES. FOR NEXT YEAR. FOR NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. OKAY. 'CAUSE WHEN WE TALKED YESTERDAY, I SAID WE CAN'T GO OUT FOR MORE DEBT ON THIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S YOU'RE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR. [03:05:01] YEAH, BUT TECHNICALLY WE JUST DROPPED OFF. WE JUST DROPPED OFF ONE THIS YEAR AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REPLACING IT. THAT IS WHY WE WENT AHEAD AND HAD A BLC PAID FOR THE PAY GROUND EQUIPMENT. RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. I'M GOOD. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, BUT MM-HMM . UM, WE DID SEE ONE OF THOSE ROLL OFF THIS YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON A DLC AS FAR AS, UH, REVENUES AND EXPENSES? UM, OTHER, THE LAST THING I'LL MENTION WITH THAT IS THEY DO HAVE A GOOD CONTINGENCY LINE. SO IF WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT FUNDING, UM, THEY HAVE SOME OF THE PRIORITY LISTS AS WELL AS PRIORITY OR A PROJECT LIST THAT CAME FROM DRAINAGE. UH, SO WE'RE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT. THEY WILL HAVE A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE AS WELL. UH, I BELIEVE IF, UH, IT'S ABOUT 33% SUSIE, IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM . UM, IS WHAT WE HAVE IN CURRENT FUND BALANCE. AND SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO STAY WITHIN OUR PROJECTS, WE WILL STILL HAVE, UH, THAT ROLLOVER. SO THEY SHOULD, WOULD STILL MAINTAIN A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE I PASS IT OFF TO OUR TEAM? OKAY. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND LET, UH, RECREATION DIVISION FUND 50 COME UP FIRST. GOOD MORNING. HELLO AND HAPPY PARTS IN INAUGURATION FUND. UM, SO KIND OF GOING INTO THAT, UM, WE'LL START WITH OUR REVENUES BECAUSE WITH OUR REVENUES WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR WINS AND GREAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR. UM, THAT GOING THROUGH, UM, OUR GENERAL PROGRAMS. WE'VE GROWN OUR YOUTH VOLLEYBALL LEAGUES, WHICH WERE BOTH SUMMER AND OFFERED IN THE WINTER. VERY GOOD. WHICH IS GREAT. UM, WE HAVE GROWN OUR WOMEN'S VOLLEYBALL LEAGUE THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN THE WINTER AS WELL. WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL SUMMER CAMP SEASON THAT'S STILL GOING ON. UM, WE'RE PLANNING TO MEET OUR, WE'RE MEETING OUR REVENUE GOAL, WHICH STILL THREE WEEKS TO GO OF CAMP. TRACK CAMP HAS GROWN IN PARTICIPATION AND WE'VE ALSO CHALLENGED, UM, LAKE JACKSON PARKS AND REC'S TEAM TWICE. SO THE NEXT ONE WILL BE ON THE 16TH. SO IT'S GREAT TO BRING IN COMPETITION WITH OUR LOCAL, UM, OTHER AGENCIES. OUR JINGLE BELL, FUN RUN HAD ITS LARGEST PARTICIPATION, UM, SINCE WE BROUGHT IT BACK. UM, AND WE'RE ALL, WE ALSO OFFERED A NEW HALLOWEEN EVENT, UM, THAT WAS ALSO REVENUE GENERATOR WITH THE HAUNTED HOUSE, AND WE ALSO HAD A SPONSOR FOR THAT EVENT. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, OFFERING IT AGAIN IN OCTOBER. WE ALSO OFFERED FIVE FREE, UH, COMMUNITY MOVIES THAT WE PLAN TO OFFER AGAIN NEXT YEAR. WE HAD ONE LAST NIGHT. WE HAD ABOUT OVER 75 PEOPLE SHOW UP TO WATCH SPACE JAM AND WE HAD FREE POPCORN AND IT WAS A GREAT TIME. UM, WE ALSO MET OUR REVENUE GOALS WITH OUR SENIOR TRIPS AND SENIOR PROGRAMS. UM, AND WE STILL HAVE REGISTRATION COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER, SO THAT'LL BE ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO THIS YEAR. UM, AND WE ALSO ADDED CONTRACTED PROGRAMS TO OUR ROSTER AS WELL. SO WE HAVE SOME CONTRACTED PROGRAMS COMING THROUGH WITH OTHER FOLKS OFFERING THOSE. AND SO, UM, WE DO, I BELIEVE WE'LL MEET OUR NEW GOAL FOR THIS YEAR. AND SO, AS JASON MENTIONED, UM, WHEN LOOKING AT OUR EXPENDITURES, WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, YES, REMAINING FLAT, BUT WHERE WE HAVE SOME INCREASE, THOSE ARE, UM, COST RECOVERY PROGRAMS. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT INCREASE IN OUR REVENUES, UM, PROPOSED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND SO JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE, UM, INCREASES ON OUR EXPENDITURES. AS MENTIONED THAT OUR REVENUE GENERATING PROGRAMS, UM, THAT'S A PART-TIME LEAD FOR CAMP. UM, AND WE ALSO MOVE SOME FUNDS FROM GENERAL PROGRAMS TO OUR PART-TIME STAFF TO COVER FOR VOLLEYBALL SUCH AS REFEREEING, UM, INCREASE TO SENIOR PROGRAMS TO ACCOMMODATE RAISING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH TRIPS AND OVERNIGHT TRIPS. ALSO, UH, SENIOR PROGRAMS HAS A 25% COST RECOVERY. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW YOUTH EVENT TO OFFER IN SEPTEMBER, 2027. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A YOUTH TRIATHLON UTILIZING JUST THE RECREATION CENTER. NOTHING SUPER FANCY, BUT JUST, UM, KIND OF ENDING UP THE SUMMER SINCE WE DO TRACK IN THE SUMMER. WE HAVE SWIM LESSONS IN THE SUMMER. SO WE, UM, I'VE WORKED WITH JASON AND WE'VE KIND OF MAPPED OUT A LITTLE PLAN TO UTILIZE THE REC CENTER OF SWIMMING THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE REC CENTER AND THEN THE BACK LOT AND, UM, MAKING IT A MINI TRIATHLON. SO COME OUT AND TRY IT. IT'S GONNA BE OUR, OUR THING FOR THE 20 SEPTEMBER, 2027. AND THEN ALSO CONTINUING WITH THE 4 57 ACCOUNT. UM, CONTINUING [03:10:01] PARTNERING FOR CONTRACTED PROGRAMS OFFERING THROUGH THE RECREATION CENTER. WHY DO YOU ONLY DO SWIM LESSONS IN THE SUMMER? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT EXPANDING THAT? YEAH, UM, , I'LL JUMP UP THERE. UH, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE MAIN PORTION OF IT IS OFFERED IN THE SUMMER, UH, IS WHAT OUR PEAK USAGE, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WELL. UM, REALLY MORE FALL, SPRING, WINTER IS REALLY WHERE OUR TAIL'S OFF. AND THEN WE OFFER PRIVATE LESSONS. IT JUST UNFORTUNATELY THIS YEAR DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME WITH THE POOL NOT BEING AVAILABLE. SO BECAUSE I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE CITY AND SWIM LESSONS AND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO TRANSITION A LITTLE BIT MORE TO PRIVATE LESSONS, UH, BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE RUNNING THE GROUP LESSONS, THEY, UH, WEREN'T BRINGING THE, THE COST RECOVERY OR DIDN'T HAVE THE REGISTRATION, WHEREAS THE PRIVATE LESSONS WILL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE OF THAT. AND SO THAT'LL BE, UH, SOMETHING WE WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER. IS IT OUR STAFF DOING THE PRIVATE LESSONS? YEAH. I KNOW IT WAS KIND OF A, IN THE NUTSHELL KIND OF, UM, REVIEW, BUT DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR OR FOR THIS YEAR? AND YOUR SENIOR PROGRAMMING IS IN HERE? YES. THAT IS THE FOUR 17 ACCOUNT. YEP. YES. BECAUSE THEY DO DOUBLE IT NEXT YEAR ON REVENUE. DOUBLE THE REVENUE, DOUBLE THE EXPENSE. YES. BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT TAKING, UH, WE TAKE 10 TRIPS A DAY, TRIPS, AND THEN TWO OVERNIGHT TRIPS, AND WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT WAITING LIST THAT WE GET MM-HMM . UM, SO IF WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE IT, WE DON'T SPEND IT. BUT IF WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE IT WITH AN ADDITIONAL DRIVER, THEN YES. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, JERRY. THANK YOU. THANK Y'ALL. GOOD MORNING. YEAH, ALL GOOD. . UM, SO JUST KIND OF LIKE JERRY DID, I'M GONNA GO A LITTLE SLOWER THAN I DID THE FIRST TIME I DID, BUT , UM, SO STARTING WITH REVENUE, UM, THERE'S JUST SOME SLIGHT INCREASES AS WE DO EVERY YEAR. SO IT'S JUST THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST TWO YEARS. UM, AND THEN A 5% INCREASE FOR LIKE OUR MEMBERSHIPS. UM, THE ONE THAT MAY SEEM A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS THE OTHER, SO LAST, NOT LAST SUMMER. YEAH, LAST SUMMER WE STARTED SELLING WATER BOTTLES AT THE FRONT DESK. SO WE, IT HAS INCREASED OVER TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING ANYTHING ELSE IN THE REC CENTER, SO THE BOTTLED WATER BOTTLES. AND THEN WE ALSO SELL SWIM DIAPERS. UM, AND THAT WAS WHAT THAT INCREASE IS. AND THEN KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THE SWIMMING LESSONS QUESTION, UM, AS JASON SAID, WE DO GROUP SWIMMING LESSONS IN THE SUMMERTIME JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASIER, LIKE THE REGISTRATION IS THERE AND THEN PRIVATE SWIMMING LESSONS IN THE FALL. AND THEN, SO THIS UPCOMING YEAR WE WANT TO ADD ADULT SWIMMING LESSONS, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT. UM, I TOOK SWIMMING LESSONS AS A KID, BUT I AM NOT THE BEST SWIMMER, SO . UM, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE LOOK TO ADD TO HELP INCREASE REVENUE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR MISCELLANEOUS PROGRAMS. UM, AND THEN I'M JUST GONNA GO TO EXPENSES IF THAT'S HOLD ON REAL QUICK. YEAH. IF YOU WERE TO, THE THING I GET ASKED ABOUT A LOT FROM THE SCOUT SIDE MM-HMM . IS CPR FIRST AID. YES. ANY OF THOSE WHERE YOU COULD PARTNER WITH LIKE THE LLOYD'S GROUP AND THE A MC MM-HMM . THEY WOULD, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO DO THAT. UM, CPR FIRST AID, UM, LIFEGUARD CERTIFICATIONS WE'VE DONE, I SAW READING CLASSES LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE, LIKE WHEN YOU GET HIRED ON, YOU TAKE A CLASS WITH ANDREW. SO WE TRIED TO OFFER IT AT LOW AT LEAST ONCE IN MY TIME, ONCE OR TWICE IN MY TIME IN THIS POSITION. AND WE NEVER REALLY GET THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ADVERTISING IT VERY WELL 'CAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. OH, . BUT YEAH, WE TRIED IT AND IT DIDN'T WORK WHEN I DID IT. SO PROGRAMMING, THEY DO CPR CLASSES? YEAH. UM, THEY DO AT LEAST ONE, ONE OR TWO EACH PLAYBOOK OR EACH QUARTER. I KNOW WE HAVE ONE COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER. WE HAVE ONE COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL PLANNED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. [03:15:01] UH, JOHN, TO YOUR POINT AS WELL, UM, AND I'M GONNA GIVE KUDOS TO, TO JERRY ON THIS ONE. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A TRANSITION FROM OUR PLAYBOOK. UH, SO OUR PLAYBOOK IS ONE THAT WE ARE INVESTING, UH, A HIGH AMOUNT INTO AND WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING OVER TO A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER. UM, WE, UH, JERRY, UH, PUT OUT THE NEW MONTHLY NEWSLETTER. SO IF YOU ARE, UH, A MEMBER OF THE ENGELSON REC CENTER, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THAT NEWSLETTER. WE RECEIVED MORE CLICKS, UH, AND VIEWS IN THAT ONE NEWSLETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT THIS WEEK THAN WE SOMETIMES SEE AN ENTIRE SEASON FOR THE PLAYBOOK. UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT REVAMPING HOW WE DO OUR ADVERTISING TO BE ABLE TO BETTER CAPTURE THAT, UH, AS WELL AS OUR, UM, UH, FOOTPRINT IN SOCIAL MEDIA. SO THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE THERE THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T GETTING THE INFORMATION. AND SO HOW WE'RE GONNA TACKLE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. UM, AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WITH LIFEGUARDING, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS THE LIMITATION FOR US IS WE HAVE A DIFFERENT STYLE OF CERTIFICATION. UH, SO OUR LIFEGUARDS ARE SHALLOW WATER LIFEGUARDS, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY COMMON, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHALLOW WATER, WATER POOL, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE DEEP WATER. SO SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO USE IT OUTSIDE OF HERE IS, IT'S VERY LIMITED BECAUSE WE ARE ONE OF THE ONLY POOLS IN THE AREA THAT IS JUST A SOUTH SHALLOW WATER CERTIFICATION. SO I THINK THAT MAY COUPLE INTO WHY OUR LIFEGUARDING CERTIFICATION DOESN'T ALWAYS COME, IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO ANYWHERE BUT HERE. SO IF YOU'RE JUST DOING IT AS GENERAL PUBLIC, IF YOU'RE NOT WORKING FOR US, YOU MAY NOT HAVE A PLACE TO GO FOR IT. COULD YOU PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, USE THEIR POOL TO DO THE CLASSES AND YOU CAN GET THE REVENUE? WE DEFINITELY CAN LOOK INTO THAT. YEP. UM, I CAN TELL YOU WE'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH RANCHO AS WELL 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY ACTUALLY HAD A LIFEGUARDING SHORTAGE. SO, UH, THIS YEAR DIDN'T WORK OUT, UH, FOR THEM, UH, THIS YEAR. BUT I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT ANDREW'S CONTINUING TO EXPLORE. BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BE A GREAT ONE. WE CAN LIFT TO PARTNER AS WELL. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER IT'S SITTING THERE. YEAH. AND THERE ARE CHARGES FOR THOSE CLASSES. LIKE CPR IS A YES BECAUSE THERE'S A COST RECOVERY THAT COMES WITH IT THAT NOT ONLY THE INSTRUCTOR, UH, WE'VE GOT OURS CERTIFIED IN HOUSE, SO WE ARE ABLE TO SPREAD THAT OUT. THE CARDS THEMSELF THOUGH, JUST TO GET YOUR CARD, I BELIEVE IS FOUR $35 JUST FOR THE CARD. OH. AND SO JUST TO COVER THAT COST IS AN AUTOMATIC COST ASSOCIATED, BUT YES, THERE'S A, A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. YEP. THANKS. KEEP GOING HARVEY. OKAY. UM, OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT REVENUE? NO. OKAY. UM, SO OUR EXPENSES PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. I TRY TO WORK WITH THEM WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND I JUST MOVE THINGS AROUND. UM, I KNOW I'M GONNA JUST GO STRAIGHT INTO BUILDINGS 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY EXPERIENCES THE MOST. UM, I WENT DOWN THIS A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR BECAUSE I EXPECTED THAT WITH THE CONTINUOUS HVAC REPAIRS AND THEN ALSO ADDING IN PM TO OUR BUDGET, IT WOULD KIND OF HELP WITH HOW OFTEN WE ARE HAVING TO HAVE OUR HVAC SERVICE OR HOW MAJOR THE REPAIRS ARE, IF WE COULD CATCH 'EM A LITTLE BIT SOONER. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THE THINK IT'S CONTRACTED LABOR. MISCELLANEOUS IT WAS NOT REALLY BUDGETED FOR PREVIOUSLY. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'LL BE IS LIKE OUR PM FOR HVAC, OUR PM FOR OUR WALL. AND THE UM, WHAT'S OUR PURPOSE ROOM PM FOR OUR POOL IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET. SO IT WON'T BE AS MANY COSTLY REPAIRS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, AND I, I CAN ONLY SAY HVAC IS THE BIGGEST ONE BECAUSE I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS BEEN IN THE REC CENTER LAST MONTH AND IT'S PRETTY HOT. MM-HMM . . UM, SO THAT ONE IS ONE THAT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ONES THAT HAS INCREASED IS OUR COMMUNITY EVENT. SO LAST SPRING BREAK WE DID A SPRING BREAK. A SPRING BREAK B, WHICH IS BASICALLY LIKE A BIG EVENT TO KIND OF COMPENSATE FOR US NOT HAVING A POOL. AND IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY FUN. WE HAD BOUNCE HOUSES IN THE GYM. WE HAD A GAMING TRUCK, WE DID LASER TAG. UM, TWISTED COW CAME AND DID ICE CREAM. SO THE GOAL IS TO DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. UM, BUT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND THEN OFFER SOMETHING ELSE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT THEY REALLY DON'T GET BECAUSE WHERE ELSE CAN WE GO AND DO SOME, GO TO A BOUNCE HOUSE OR UM, PLAY LASER TAG. LIKE THERE'S NOTHING HERE IN ANGLETON FOR KIDS TO DO REALLY. UM, SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO IT. AND HOW WE TYPICALLY DO IT IS LIKE ONCE YOU BUY YOUR DAY PASS THAT DAY YOU COME IN, YOU CAN DO ALL THE THINGS. SO NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE A POOL. SO HOPEFULLY . THAT'S GREAT. I LIKE THAT. IT'LL BE A LOT OF FUN. UM, ANOTHER INCREASE WITH UH, OR JASON TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY WAS TO OUR UM, EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. IN MY TWO YEARS, I HAVE HAD A LOT OF STAFF THAT [03:20:01] HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE I STARTED, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I FIRST STARTED THERE WAS A HIGH TURNOVER AT THE REC CENTER. UM, I ONLY KNOW THAT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BOUGHT AS MANY POLOS THIS YEAR, . UM, SO I TRY TO UM, WE TRY OUR BEST TO SHOW THEM THAT WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT THEY DO BECAUSE ME AND A LIFEGUARD IN THE FRONT DESK IS NOT ALWAYS THE EASIEST THING. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET AND AT 16 SOMETIMES THAT'S A LOT. UM, SO WE DO LIKE SNACK CARDS. WE DO UM, MONTHLY CHALLENGES WITH FRONT DESKS. SO LIKE WHO CAN GIVE OUT THE MOST DAY PASSES, WHO CAN DO THE MOST FACILITY TOURS. UM, AND THAT'S JUST OUR WAY OF GIVING BACK TO THEM. WE DO A SUMMER PARTY, SO Y'ALL WANNA COME. IT'LL BE THE FIRST WEEKEND IN AUGUST, BUT UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE DO FOR OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY DO DO A LOT AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE THEM 'CAUSE THEY MAKE MY JOB A LOT EASIER WHEN THEY DO IT. SO, UM, YEAH, THOSE ARE LIKE THE MAIN THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON. THAT WOULD BE MAJOR INCREASES. BUT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER. THANK YOU. I LIKE THE ENERGY HARVEY , THE COMMUNITY EVENTS. ARE YOU JUST GONNA DO ONE OR ARE YOU DOING TWO? NO. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO I DID ONE. IT WAS LIKE THE A RC 20TH BIRTHDAY PARTY WAS ONE OF THEM THAT WE DID. SO MY GOAL IS TO DO MORE MEMBERS MEMBER APPRECIATION EVENTS TO KIND OF DRIVE OUR MEMBERSHIPS UP TO SHOW PEOPLE LIKE, HEY, IF YOU BECOME A MEMBER AT THE REC CENTER, IT IS MORE THAN JUST GETTING IN FREE ALL MONTH LONG. UM, SO ONE OF THE ONES I WANT TO TRY AGAIN IS A MEMBER'S ONLY POOL PARTY. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE, JUST LIKE OUR PRIVATE POOL PARTIES WILL BE FOR THE MEMBERS. THEY'LL COME ENJOY THE POOL BEFORE SUMMER REALLY GETS TO KICKING. UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY IT'LL KIND OF DRIVE OUR RENTAL REVENUE UP A LITTLE BIT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT WE OFFER. LIKE YOU COULD COME TO THE POOL BY YOURSELF, ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND HAVE A GOOD TIME. THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES I WANNA DO. UM, I KNOW FOR SURE NEXT SUMMER AND THEN THE LITTLE ONES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, LIKE, UH, ONE OF ME AND THE TEAM, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING A GOLDEN TICKET WEEK. SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO CHARLIE TRAFFIC FACTORY GONNA HIGH TICKETS AROUND THE REC CENTER, , BUT SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT TO IN BEING A MEMBER AT THE REC CENTER. UM, BUT YEAH, SO MY THIRD YEAR I'M LEARNING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK. BUT THOSE ARE MY GOALS. SO THAT'S WHY THERE IS AN INCREASE IN COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT AS WELL AS UM, MARKETING. SO, SO WE CAN GET OUT IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SAW THE YOUTUBE. THEY HAVE A COMMERCIAL FOR THE NEW HOUSING ACTUALLY THEY HAVE A YOUTUBE COMMERCIAL. SO THAT'S MY GOAL IS TO DO IT FOR REC CENTER, BUT WE'LL SEE IF IT HAPPENS. , I BUDGETED FOR IT. THAT'S MY GOAL. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ? OH, FOR THE YOUTUBE FOR THE THING. UM, GET WITH THE SCHOOL AND SEE IF YOU CAN WORK WITH THEIR, THEY HAVE A WHOLE MEDIA THING. OH, MEDIA. OKAY. THEY COULD STUDENT, STUDENT PROJECT. OH. AND THEY USE THE, THE LIONS CLUB KIDS AS ACTORS FOR SOME OF OUR THINGS. THEY WOULD LOVE. WE PARTNER WITH THE LEOS ALL YEAR AND THEY ARE SO AMAZING. WE, WE LOVE THE AR LEOS A LOT OF STARTED WORKING AT THE REC CENTER, SO YEAH. SO WE GET STAFF FROM IT TOO. THAT'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DONE. THAT'S ALL OF US. YEAH, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. GOOD. OUR NEXT DEPARTMENT IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YES. MY DAUGHTER FOURTH YEAR COMING UP. GOOD AFTERNOON COUNSEL. I'M DOING GREAT. I ASSURE YOU I AM THE SAME CHIEF GARCIA THAT I WAS LAST TIME. I SAW YOU WHEN I HAD A MUSTACHE. I WAS GONNA SAY YOU LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WAIT, WHO ARE YOU? , BUT, UM, RIGHT OFF THE BACK, I, UH, WE'LL SAY WE ARE OPERATING OFF OF A FLAT BUDGET WITH OUR CITY FUNDS. UH, THERE ARE SOME LINE ITEMS THAT WE DID MOVE MONEY AROUND AND ESPECIALLY DURING THE MID BUDGET REVIEW, WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT A LOT OF THAT WORKED OUT, UM, FOR ESD FUNDS. WE DID FOR OUR OPERATING BUDGET. UH, ASKED FOR A 5% INCREASE THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON. UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD I LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, SINCE WE ARE STILL OPERATING ABOUT A FLAT, YOU [03:25:01] KNOW, FLAT BUDGET IS THE FUTURE, WELL, WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT AND IN OUR FUTURE. UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE 35 MEMBERS, ACTIVE MEMBERS. UM, FIVE OF THOSE, OF COURSE, WE ARE A HYBRID DEPARTMENT, SO WE DO HAVE FIVE PAID GUYS. UH, RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE 12 ROOKIES. SO THAT BRINGS OUR TOTAL TO 47. UH, WITH THIS INCREASE OF, UH, MEMBERS. I WILL SAY THAT THAT IS GONNA TAKE AN EFFECT ON OUR TRAINING, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWING CITY, UH, AND THE COST OF GOING TO TEAKS AND WHATNOT. UM, THAT, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TO BE REVISITED IN THE FUTURE. UM, WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE USING GRANTS, UM, PRIMARILY TO MAKE UP FOR A LOT OF THOSE COSTS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR GEAR, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, A RADIO, UH, USING A GRANT FOR A RADIO RIGHT NOW. UM, NFBA FORCE 1802, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT REPLACING OUR RADIOS 'CAUSE MAKING THEM FIRE RELATED. UH, BUT ANOTHER GRANT THAT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT IS FOR BULLETPROOF VEST. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE MORE INCREASING, UM, INCIDENTS THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, GUN RELATED GUNSHOTS OR WHATEVER. SO OUR PRIMARY THING IS TO PROTECT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, ESPECIALLY FIRE. UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY FINISHING UP ON THAT BOND. UH, THOSE ITEMS ARE BEING DONE WITH THE, UH, THE STATION. AND, UH, LET ME SEE, I GOT SOME MORE NOTES. THE OTHER THING WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IN THE FUTURE IS STATION FOUR, ALDEN ASHLAND. HAVE YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT WITH, UM, OF COURSE WITH EMS, UH, POLICE CHIEF LOOP? WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE OUT THERE. WE ARE IN THE TALKS RIGHT NOW, JUST GETTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER BEFORE WE PRESENT IT TO YOU. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. UH, IT IS ACTUALLY OUR PRIMARY FOCUS RIGHT NOW, NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THE BOND ITEMS, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALMOST COMPLETED. WE HAVE WORKED ON THE TRUCK, THE NEW TANKER THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT IS OUR PURPOSE RIGHT NOW. UM, I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW WE DO, AS OUR CALL VOLUME DOES INCREASE EVERY YEAR. THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE DID HIT OVER A THOUSAND CALLS BEFORE THAT WE WERE SITTING IN FOR 700, 800. SO IT IS SLOWLY BUILDING UP AND WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT TO INCREASE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOING AROUND, YOU KNOW, GOING AROUND THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES GO INTO THE COUNTY. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE STEADILY OUT THERE AS OF RIGHT NOW FOR THIS YEAR. UH, HERE HOLD UP. MY SCREEN DIED. I DO APOLOGIZE. I HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS UP. SO FOR OUR TOTAL CALLS FOR, UH, 2026, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE ARE SITTING AT 538. OUR DAYTIME CALLS ARE AT 228. AND THEN OF COURSE OUR NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS ARE GONNA BE AT 270. UM, I DO HAVE THAT COURT, THE SECOND QUARTERLY BROKEN DOWN FOR CITY COUNCIL. THAT WOULD BE IN THE NEXT, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS OUR, UH, DEPARTMENT. UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU, YOU'RE COMPLETING, YOU'RE ON TRACK TO FINISH ALL OF IT BY THIS FISCAL YEAR OR WILL ANY OF IT BLEED OVER TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR? IT WILL BE FINISHED THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE NEW GENERATOR INSTALLED AT STATION ONE? YES, SIR. AND ALL THE CONCRETE WORK AROUND STATION ONE IS DONE? YES SIR. WE JUST FINISHED THAT LAST WEEK. OKAY, GOOD. UM, THE RADIO TOWER OR THE TOWER THAT WILL BE COMING DOWN, IT WAS HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK, BUT IT IS LOOKING TO BE A PUSHED THE NEXT WEEK. YES SIR. WE DID HAVE A LOT OF RAIN, UM, TO AFFECT A LOT OF THE TIMING ON A LOT OF THIS. SO DID YOU MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS INSIDE THE STATION THIS YEAR? NO, SIR. NOT, NOT THAT I CAN THINK, BUT I HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE TO FINALIZE THAT. AND THEN THE NEW TANKER? YES SIR. WHEN'S THAT DELIVERY? THAT'S GONNA BE A TWO YEAR WAIT. TWO YEAR WAIT. YES SIR. BUT THE FUNDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPENT, RIGHT? YOU'VE ALREADY SENT IT. DID YOU ALREADY PAY FOR THE TRUCK SU NO, WE PAID THE DOWN PAYMENT. THE DOWN PAYMENT. WELL WE HAVE IT SET ASIDE. AND WHEN WILL WE START MAKING THE PAYMENTS ON THE DEBT? THE, WHENEVER THEY FINISH THE TRUCK, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO OUT FOR A LOAN FOR THE REMAINING 600 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND. THAT'D BE LIKE 18 MONTHS FROM NOW. YES MA'AM. BETTER HOLD ON THAT MONEY AND ESD ISN'T PAYING ANY OF THAT, RIGHT? [03:30:01] NO SIR. WE, WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY COMING OUT OF ESD FOR THAT. AND IF YOU DID SEE OUR LINE ITEMS FOR ESD, YOU CAN SEE THE DE DECREASE FOR NEXT YEAR. RIGHT? IT'S 'CAUSE THERE THEY ARE GONNA BE PAYING FOR SOME OF THAT. YES SIR. THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT. SD GIVEN YOU ANY INDICATION ON THAT BUILDING ESD FOR STATION FOUR? YES SIR. THEY HAVE, THEY ARE NO FUNDS TOWARDS THAT STATION. NO FUNDS? NO SIR. THAT WAS OUR LAST LAW . SO THEY WANT YOU TO SERVICE THEIR AREA, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA PAY FOR A BUILDING. IT'S, IT, IT IT IS OWNED BY CITY, SIR. SO YES, THAT'S, THERE'S STILL TALKS GOING ON WITH THAT. I WAS NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS LAST I CHECKED. CITY PROPERTY. THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION TO IT. YES, SIR. UM, WE ARE, WE ARE STILL IN DISCUSSION WITH THAT. I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE IN, IN THE CITY AND SEEING HOW WE CAN GET THAT GOING. ARE YOU, UM, ALL FIVE OF YOU PAID ARE STAFFED CURRENTLY, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OPENINGS DO YOU? NOT RIGHT NOW, NO SIR. BUT IN THE FUTURE THERE IS, THERE IS DEFINITELY, UH, INTEREST IN GETTING ANOTHER PAID MEMBER. ABSOLUTELY. ESPECIALLY WITH THE COST OF THE CITY GOING. WE HAD A STRUGGLE JUST TO KEEP ONES WE HAD HIRED. YES, SIR. THIS YEAR. YES SIR. AND THAT HAS TO DO PRIMARILY ON, UM, SALARY. MM-HMM . I'LL BE HONEST, SALARY'S A BIG THING. UH, OTHER PEOPLE ARE PAYING MORE. UM, BUT THE ONES THAT WE DO HAVE HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY DO ENJOY THEIR WORK. I WILL SAY THAT THEY DO IN THAT, BUT WITH COMPETING SALARIES, THAT IS HARD. WHO, WHO'S YOUR STAFF NOW? WE HAVE UH, CAPTAIN ANTHONY NORRIS, LIEUTENANT LANE BIRCH, THEN WE HAVE CURTIS DAVIS, CALEB SANDOVAL, AND UH, OPEN LIST. ME, THIS IS HIS FIRST NAME, BUT LAST NAME WEST. HE'S OUR NEWEST . HE'S, UM, THE TRAINING. I'LL SHOW YOUR TRAINING GOING DOWN. SO TRAINING, I KNOW IT'S AN EMAIL ON THAT, BUT YES, TRAINING SHOULD BE INCREASING, ESPECIALLY WITH ESD FUNDS. UM, JUST MOVING MONEY TOWARDS THAT MORE. UM, IT'S THE TRAVEL TRAINING LINE, RIGHT? SUSIE? YES. FIRE DEPARTMENT? YES. 5 34, 2 5. ARE YOU LOOKING AT FUND ONE OR 1 0 7? FUND ONE GOES FROM 12 FIVE TO NINE FIVE. BECAUSE YOU MENTION THAT YOU'VE GOTTA HIRE, YOU'VE GOTTA TRAIN MORE PEOPLE. ABSOLUTELY. YES SIR. SO THAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THAT COMMENT. AND THEN ESD HAS 12 FIVE FROM WHAT? UM, UNDER TRAVEL TRAINING. BUT WHAT DOES IT MOVE FROM? FROM TWO, YOU DON'T SEE THAT THERE, DO YOU? MM-HMM. YOU JUST SEE THE CURRENT YEAR. YEAH. PAGE 26. NO, SHE'S LOOKING AT THE ESD SIDE, WHICH IS IN THE BACK HERE. OH, WELL, YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. THEN THE NEXT PAGE HAS IT, IT JUST SHOWED NINE 50 INSTEAD OF 1250. WHAT? 12,500 IS WHAT? THE ORIGINAL COMP? I MEAN THIS BUDGET IN IT, THE NEW ONE IS NINE FIVE. SO THAT IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE IT THE SAME, IT HAS TO BE INCREASED. YES, SIR. THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE INCREASED THAT THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS THE ESD. UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCREASED HERE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU WOULD'VE TO INCREASE. WHY DID IT GO DOWN? UM, FOR THE ESD TRAVEL TRAINING, THE CURRENT BUDGET HAS 27 5 AND THEN WE HAVE PROPOSED 12 FIVE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. OH, OKAY. YES MA'AM. DID THAT ONE DECREASE TOO? YEAH, IT DECREASE. YEAH. MAJOR DECREASE THERE. YEAH, IT'S LIKE HALF THAT GOES FROM MORE THAN HALF FIVE TO 12 FIVE. OH UM, RM EQUIPMENT AND THEN RM E BUILDING? YES. FOR CITY OR ESD 1 0 7 IS GONNA BE ESD. RIGHT. AND THEN, UH, OF COURSE OH ONE WOULD BE CITY, UM, WE DID MOVE SOME LINE ITEM, UH, MONEY TO MAINTENANCE OF COURSE, UH, FROM THE BUILDING. SO THERE SHOULD BE A DECREASE [03:35:01] FROM BUILDING GOING TO MAINTENANCE. OH, OKAY. UM, I CAN TAKE AN ACTION AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT, ON THE TRAINING, BUT DO YOU STILL NEED THAT 200,000 TO THE CAPITAL LEASE, JOE? SO FOR ESD FUNDS ON THE ESD FUNDS, YEAH. THAT WILL NOT ROLL OVER INTO, OR THAT WON'T BE FOR, UM, ESD? NO, SIR. NO MA'AM. OKAY. I CAN DECREASE THAT ONE. AND, AND INCREASE YOUR CONTRACT LABOR, I MEAN THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING BACK TO THE 27. OKAY. I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GET CONFUSED ON THAT 200,000. UM, IF THAT 200,000 WAS PUT IN THERE SO YOU COULD HAVE MONEY IN FOR THAT 500 THAT YOU NEEDED YES MA'AM. TO BUILD UP THAT FUND BALANCE. BUT IF YOU DON'T NEED THAT, THEN I CAN REDUCE THAT AND INCREASE YOUR TRAVEL AND TRAINING. OKAY. UM, THAT 200,000 WAS FOR 2024 IN 2025 RIGHT. EACH YEAR. AND THEN 2026 WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 2027. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S ON THE AGREEMENT THAT IT WAS SENT. UM, IT'S GONNA BE 75 SO THAT'S WHY THE TOTAL ESD WENT DOWN. BUT THE OPERATING BUDGET WAS THE SAME. IT WAS JUST THAT MONEY THAT ESD ALLOCATED FOR THOSE YEARS WAS ADDED. OKAY. SO HOW MUCH SHOULD, SHOULD THAT BE FOR 26? 27 75? ONLY 75,000. ONLY 75 ADDED TO THE OPERATING BUDGET. OKAY. AND, AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE OPERATING BUDGET WAS INCREASED BY UH, 5%. WELL, LOOKS SAY WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON, ON YOURS. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO INCREASE ON THE ESDI INCREASED YOUR TRAVEL AND TRAINING TO 27 5 APPAREL WAS ANOTHER ONE, UM, THAT WE HAD ASKED TO MOVE MONEY FROM. UH, ANOTHER LINE ITEM, TWO APPAREL JUST FOR THE COST OF THE GROWING APARTMENT. WHAT DID YOU NEED IT TO BE? I'VE GOTTA LOOK AT MY NOTES. OKAY. YOU CAN GET WITH ME ON THAT. YES MA'AM. ANYTHING THAT'S LEFT OVER WILL PUT INTO THE FUND BALANCE. YES MA'AM. OVER OVERTIME'S. GOING DOWN DURING THE MID, THE MID CYCLE, I DID INCREASE MORE OF THE LINE BUDGET FOR OVERTIME. UM, IT SHOULD BE ROUGHLY AROUND 25 RIGHT NOW IN THE TWENTIES. UM, AND WE DID MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT ON THAT, BUT OVERTIME, YEAH, IT DID. PART OF THE OVERTIME THAT WE SPENT THIS YEAR WAS SENDING OUR NEW GUYS TO TRAINING, GETTING THEIR TCFP. AND SO IT'S LIKE A WEEKEND COURSE OR OVER LATE PAST WORKING HOURS. UM, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT DIG GETS SUCKED UP INTO. THAT'S WHY WE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT DURING MID-BUDGET. UM, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT SAME PROBLEM. WE DID HAVE A LOT OF, UH, OF COURSE FIREFIGHTERS THAT DID LEAVE AND THEN WE GOT HIRED SOME NEW ONES AND OF COURSE EXTRA TRAINING NEEDED TO GO TOWARDS THAT. SUSIE, DID YOU SEE THE SAME THING? I'M LOOKING AT? WHERE ON, UH, GENERAL FUND FIRE DEPARTMENT OVER OVERTIME? THE CURRENT BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR IS 22 6 22 6 600. AND THEY'VE ALREADY USED 22,500. BUT THEN LOOK AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET. 12 SIX. 12 SIX. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE LAST BEFORE THE MID-CYCLE WHENEVER WE REVIEWED IT. YEAH, THERE WASN'T NEEDED THIS YEAR, EARLIER THIS YEAR TO INCREASE IT. ANY, ANY TIME. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE OUR GUYS DO ANYTHING EXTRA. OUR PAID GUYS DO EXTRA OUTSIDE THE [03:40:01] FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT'S EITHER GOTTA BE COMP OR OVERTIME PAY. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT WENT. SO FOR NEXT YEAR BUDGET, DO YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT? 12 AS OF RIGHT NOW, NO MA'AM. OKAY. LET'S LET'S SOME MORE. HOLD ON. CAN YOU SHOW WHAT I'M LOOKING AT SO WE CAN TALK ON THE SAME PAGE HERE THIS YEAR, YOUR RESIDENCE 22 6, YOU'RE ALREADY THERE PRETTY MUCH THIS YEAR AND YOU'RE BUDGETING ONLY 12 CENTS NEXT YEAR. SO YOU'RE GOING DOWN 10,000. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE PROJECTED TO GO OVER THIS YEAR. YEAH, I WAS THINKING OF THE GUYS THAT WERE DOING THE EXTRA TRAINING THAT WERE PAID THAT WE HAD TO PAY FOR OVERTIME TOWARDS THEM. UM, THOSE GUYS ARE GONNA BE CERTIFIED AFTER YEAH, THIS YEAR ACTUALLY SEPTEMBER WILL BE OUR LAST GUY THAT IS FULLY CERTIFIED WITH ALL OF HIS TRAINING EMR TRAINING. UM, AND THEN TCFP DOES, DOES YOUR UH, DOES YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET UH, HOLD WATER FOR, UM, FOR NEXT YEAR AS FAR AS UH, STRAIGHT TIME SALARIES? YES SIR. I'M GOOD ON THAT. FIGURE OUT YOUR OVERTIME AND LOOK AT YOUR, UM, TRAVEL TRAINING AND MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL ADJUSTED CORRECTLY. AND THAT'S IT. YES SIR. BUT YOU WANT ME TO ADD ANOTHER 10,000 TO THAT PERSONNEL? 'CAUSE LAST YEAR'S WAS 7 23 AND THAT'S SEVEN 13. I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT IT. THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE TOTAL PERSONNEL SERVICES AND I WAS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU, WHY ARE WE GOING DOWN? UM, AND THEN I SAW THE OVERTIME. BUT I MEAN I THINK YOU'RE LO LOGICALLY YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT AND IT MIGHT BE NEED TO BE MORE. HONESTLY, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE SAVINGS ON THE SALARY SIDE 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DOWN SO MANY PEOPLE THIS YEAR. MM-HMM . SO THEN THE FACT THAT YOUR OVERTIME'S UP THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE OFFSET BY PROBABLY LESS ON THE SALARY. MM-HMM . 'CAUSE YOU HAD SOME GAPS IN THERE. UM, BUT NEXT YEAR IF YOU'RE DOING IT LIKE THE PD DOESN'T , THEN YEAH. YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. YES SIR. OTHER THAN THAT GOOD BUDGET, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH IT? YES SIR. YEAH. WELL I WAS FLAT BUDGET. YES SIR. I AM . OKAY. UH, OF COURSE I WOULD ALWAYS LIKE MORE, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY DID ESD, I MEAN ES D'S GIVING YOU LESS THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, THERE WAS A ONE TIME WHERE THEY MADE A PAYMENT, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF, DO YOU HAVE THAT EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU? THE UH, THE AGREEMENT? I DON'T HAVE IT HERE. I HAVE IT IN MY OFFICE. OKAY. SO ESD, THEY HAD, UH, BACK IN 2024, THERE WAS TALKS FOR, UH, GETTING A NEW TANKER. THAT'S HOW FAR BACK THE TANKER COULD GO. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY ALLOTTED MONEY ON TOP. THAT'S THE KEY WORD ON TOP OF OUR OPERATING CURRENT BUDGET. OKAY. SO THAT WAS 200,000 IN 2024, 200,000 IN 2025. 2 26 WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND. SO THAT MONEY FOR THAT DOWN PAYMENT OF COURSE, AND EVERYTHING WAS ALWAYS INCLUDED ON TOP OF THAT OPERATING BUDGET. SO 2027 IS COMING AROUND AND IT'S ONLY GONNA BE 75 ON TOP OF THE OPERATING BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHY IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A HUGE DOWN INCREASE, BUT IN REALITY THAT NEVER AFFECTED OUR OPERATING BUDGET. OKAY. AND OF COURSE OUR OPERATING BUDGET DID GO FOR 5% THIS YEAR. SO YOU SAID TWO HUNDRED, TWO HUNDRED, A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE, WHICH TELLS ME THAT THEY'VE PRETTY WELL ALREADY GIVEN US THE MONEY UP FRONT FOR THE TRUCK. WELL, WELL, SO THERE'S, IT GOES ON TO, AND IN THAT AGREEMENT IT GOES ON TO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, 2031 OR 2032. SO IT'S GONNA BE FURTHER ALONG 75,000. UM, THAT IS IN THEIR ESD AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF ANSON. SO SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING MM-HMM . IT'D BE GOOD TO GET A REFRESHER FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON WHAT YOUR CAPITAL NEEDS ARE GONNA BE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE BUILDINGS, SOME OTHER STUFF. MM-HMM . AND LET'S START PLANNING NOW. YES, SIR. SO, YEP. OKAY. AND I AM ALMOST DONE WITH THAT WISHLIST THAT YOU HAVE ASKED FOR. YES SIR. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? THANKS SIR. APPRECIATE YOU, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS MORNING AND SITTING THROUGH IT ALL. ABSOLUTELY. YOU REALLY WANNA SEE HOW WE GRILL SOMEBODY? HECTOR'S UP NEXT. . [03:45:03] I GET WE GET GRILLED EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. I'M USED TO IT. START WITH PUBLIC WORKS PLEASE. ALRIGHT. STRAIGHT OUT OF THE SYSTEM. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, SO I'M, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND JUST HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS AND REALLY MORE OF LESS WHAT OUR ASK ARE, UM, OF THIS COMING, UH, BUDGET YEAR. UM, AS I GO THROUGH EACH ONE, IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO EXPAND ON ANYTHING, JUST STOP ME AND ASK ME SOME MORE QUESTIONS. WE'LL START OUT AT, UH, OH 1 5 5 8, WHICH IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S OUR STREET DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S WHERE WE'LL START AT. UM, SO WE'LL START OFF RIGHT IN PERSONNEL. UM, THERE'S AN INCREASE TO, UH, TO PERSONNEL, WHICH IS, UM, SALARIES, WHICH IS FOR, UH, $40,000 FOR SKILL-BASED PAY. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE STARTED, UM, INCLUDING IN OUR BUDGET A FEW YEARS AGO. UM, SKILL-BASED PAY IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATES LEVELS TO EMPLOYEES. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A LEVEL ONE THROUGH EIGHT OR IT COULD BE ONE THROUGH SIX, COULD BE ADJUSTED. BUT UH, WHAT WE HAVE LISTED OUT HERE IS FOR, UH, LEVELS OF ONE THROUGH EIGHT. AND, UM, IT'S BASED ON YEARS OF TENOR AND ALSO, UM, SKILLS THAT EMPLOYEES LEARN, RIGHT? LIKE THEY COULD BE ASKING THEM TO HAVE A CDL OR HAVE CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS, LICENSES, HAVE THEM ABLE TO OPERATE CERTAIN PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND THIS INITIAL $40,000 INCREASE WOULD BE THAT SOME EMPLOYEES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE HAD BEEN HERE FOR YEARS AND THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THESE SKILLS. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE AN INCREASE TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD GO FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T EXIST. THEY MIGHT GO UP TO A LEVEL FOUR OR A LEVEL THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHERE IS THAT? THE SKILL-BASED PAY? YEAH. I DON'T, I SEE THE 40, I DON'T SEE THE 40,000 UP THERE. UH, I HAVE IT ON WHAT I HAVE LISTED HERE, WHAT YOU HAD PRINTED OUT AND GIVEN TO ME OF THE INCREASES ON HERE. I DON'T SEE IT IN THE IN, I DON'T SEE IT. I DON'T SEE IT IN HERE EITHER. HECTOR. OH, HEY HECTOR? YES. OH, THIS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHOW YOU SUSIE. THIS IS WHAT YOU GAVE ME. LET ME SHOW YOU REAL QUICK WHAT YOU PRINTED ME OUT. THIS IS WHAT I WENT THROUGH AND ADDED ALL THIS STUFF IN HERE. ONE SENT ME SKILL BASED PAY HERE, WHAT YOU SENT BACK TO ME. THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAVE IN HERE. OKAY. SEE HERE'S THE 93. WHERE'S IT FOR THAT? YEAH, THAT'S THAT INCREASE THERE FOR THAT. THE 93 75. OH, IT'S UP THERE. SORRY. OH, OKAY. OKAY. THEY JUST MENTIONED THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THEIR BOOK EITHER. IT'S NOT FUNDED EITHER, CORRECT? NO, NOT IT'S NOT FUNDED. NO. I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH ALL THE INCREASE YOU WERE ASKING WHETHER THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED OR NOT. UNLESS Y'ALL WANT ME TO JUST GO OVER HIGHLIGHT. I CAN, BUT IT'S JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH EVERYTHING. AND YOU'LL SEE SKILL-BASED PAY IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL IN OUR, IN OUR UTILITIES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, SEWER AND WATER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. YOU'LL SEE THAT LINE ITEM WITH THAT INCREASE. AND IT'S ALL ESSENTIALLY PART OF THE SAME PROGRAM JUST TO TRY TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, A A MORE SKILLED, UH, UH, FIELD IS, UH, FIELD PEOPLE AS, UM, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT INVESTING AND YOU KNOW MM-HMM . EMPLOYEES WE CURRENTLY HAVE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ADD NEW HEADS. UM, WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS, HECTOR, BEFORE YOU KEEP GOING ON THIS, THAT 40,000 THAT ARE THESE SKILLS THAT WE NEED THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW, ARE THESE SKILLS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RETAIN? CORRECT. IN MOST CASES, YES. NOW WE DO HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES WHO DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE SKILLS AND YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GIVES US A, A BIT OF A CARROT TO DANGLE SO TO SPEAK. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE SKILLS, MORE RESPONSIBILITIES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S COMPENSATED FOR IT. RIGHT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THOSE THINGS, MOTIVATE PEOPLE AND ALSO RETAIN THOSE PEOPLE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALL THESE THINGS ALREADY AND THEY'RE JUST NOT BEING COMPENSATED FOR 'EM AT THE MOMENT. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE TECHS, WHICH ARE JUST OUR BOTTOM OF THE TOTEM POLE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE THINGS. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO, IF YOU COULD GIVE US A, SOME MORE DETAIL ON THAT. NOT NOW, BUT LIKE GIVE US A HOW YOU GOT TO THAT 40,000 NUMBER. LIKE WHAT, WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT, HOW MANY POSITIONS YOU NEED FOR THAT. GIMME A BREAKDOWN OF THAT. OKAY. JUST MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM OR A STARTING SPOT THAT'S NOT 40,000 THAT KIND OF GETS US WHERE WE WANNA START GOING AND IT'S 40,000 FOR EVERYONE AT ONE TIME. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. COR CORRECT. EVERYBODY LIKE IN THE STREETS IN, UH, IN DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT. AND SO LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE A TWO FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT WE FIND OUT [03:50:01] WHO YOU FEEL NEEDS AND WHAT. OKAY. AND I, AND THAT WAY LINE BY LINE YEAH. INSTEAD OF GOING, RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GIVING YOU AN ARBITRARY AMOUNT AND BEING LIKE HANGING THE, THE, THE, AS YOU SAID, THE CARROT OF THE HEAD TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE IT. I'D RATHER THEM GET IT AND THEN COMPENSATE 'EM. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO LIVE UP TO OUR END OF THE BARGAIN. YOU YOU'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS, DON'T WORRY COUNSEL, I WILL BRING THIS TO COUNCIL. COUNSEL WILL HONOR IT AND YOU WILL BE COMPENSATED. YES. AND THE NEXT BUDGETS CYCLE. BUT THE IDEA OF JUST GIVING YOU $40,000 AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT USE IT. AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MONEY WILL PROBABLY END UP GETTING USED ELSEWHERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUSLY FOR, UH, OUR JOB TO TRACK THE MONEY. CORRECT. CORRECT. AND I HAVE SOMETHING, UH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I CAME UP WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO AND I HAVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. AND I DID DO THAT WITH EACH EMPLOYEE AS TO WHAT, BASED ON THEIR SKILLS AND THEIR RE HERE, LIKE WHAT LEVEL THEY WOULD FALL INTO BASED. AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE THEIR NEW HOURLY SALARY, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, EQUATE TO WHAT THE INCREASE TO EACH, EACH BUDGET WOULD BE IN EACH DEPARTMENT. AND, AND, AND, AND TO BE FAIR, WE WANT TO HONOR THEM, BUT WE ALSO, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THOSE ARE TRULY SKILLS THAT DESERVE TO BE COMPENSATED AND NOT JUST, UH, YES, NO, NO OFFENSE, BUT YOU WORKING FOR YOUR GUYS AND BE LIKE, WELL HE MOWS A MO HE, HE HE CAN REALLY WORK THAT MOWER WELL, YOU KNOW. GOTCHA. HE CAN MAINTENANCE THE MOWER AND THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT MAY NOT REALLY BE A, AN ADDITIONAL SKILL THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WELL, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE CARRYING ENVIRONMENTAL CERTIFICATIONS, RIGHT. WATER LICENSE, THOSE SORT THINGS. CDL, CHEMICAL, CL, CDL, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE GUYS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY, HE, WE REALLY NEED, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE NOT, UH, JUST A, A BALLOON UM, UH, LINE, LINE ITEM BUDGET. BUT WE, WE DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE THROUGHOUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT SLASH RETENTION OF EMPLOYEES. WE DEFINITELY WANNA HELP YOU MAINTAIN THEM. I, I MEAN THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. YES. YEP. AND, AND I'M ALL FOR COMPENSATING SKILLS AND, AND UH, DEVELOPMENT. ALRIGHT. YEAH. AND, AND AGAIN, THIS, YOU KNOW, SKILL-BASED PAY IS JUST A, A CERTAIN IDEA, RIGHT? IT COULD, YOU KNOW, TRANSFORM INTO SOMETHING ELSE. IT COULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST STIPENDS FOR CERTAIN SKILLS OR CERTIFICATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE WANT TO. BUT THIS IS JUST AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BRING IT IN A POLICE OFFICER THAT HAS BILINGUAL OR A YES. THINGS LIKE THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YES. FOR YOUR SPREADSHEET WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES WHEN YOU'RE LISTING OUT, UH, WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE AT WHAT SKILLS YOU THINK THEY HAVE, COULD YOU ALSO ADD HOW MANY YEARS THEY'VE BEEN WITH US? OKAY. BOTH CONTINUOUS AND MAYBE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A YEAR OR TWO AND THEN CAME BACK SO THAT WE KNOW AND, UM, IF THEY'VE EVER WORKED IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND MAYBE TRANSFERRED OVER TO YOU, LIKE WHAT WERE THEY MAKING IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENT BEFORE THEY CAME BACK TO YOU SO THAT WE HAVE GOOD COMPARISONS OF WHERE THEY'RE AT. MM-HMM . ALRIGHTY. YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. I ALSO THINK THAT WHAT'S MAYBE, I MEAN HONESTLY WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS, IS WHAT SOMEONE IS GETTING PAID HERE AND WHAT THE, WHAT OUR COMPETITIVE PAY FOR THAT POSITION NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE OH, OH, AND I DO AGREE, CHRISSY, BUT I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY IF WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO, WHO HECTOR OR, OR ANY OF US DEEMED TO BE A VALUABLE EMPLOYEE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR THEM TO DRIVE ANOTHER 20 OR 30 MINUTES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM . GOTCHA. OKAY. I'LL ADD THOSE THINGS TO IT. OKAY. AND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A GOOD LINE OF SIGHT ON THOSE THINGS. THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU KEEP AN EYE ON PRETTY CLOSELY. YES. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST THINGS IS, IS JUST OTHER, YOU KNOW, CITIES BEING A, CITIES BEING ABLE TO PAY MORE THAN WE CAN. RIGHT. I MEAN THAT'S SAME THING AS OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE FACING, WE FACE IT TOO. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE GOTTA TRY TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THE SKILL-BASED PAY OR STIPENDS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST OUR WAY TO TRY TO COMBAT THAT. RIGHT. WELL, AND WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS, IF I'M WORKING HERE IN THE CITY AND I GET A JOB, SAY IN PARA LAND, FOR ME TO DRIVE DOWN 2 88 AND BACK AT FIVE O'CLOCK, GOTTA BE SIGNIFICANT , IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A COUPLE BUCKS. YEAH, EXACTLY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT CERTIFICATION LINE, I WOULD SAY GOES THE SAME WAY AS THE SKILL BASED BAY. [03:55:01] I HAVE THE SAME, THE SAME BREAKDOWN. YES. AND THIS, AND THE, WHAT THIS CERTIFICATION PAY IS FOR THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T HAVE IT PRINTED OUT ON HERE, BUT UM, THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY WAS FOR, UM, OUR INCREASE IN, UH, CDL TRYING TO RETAIN OUR CDL FOLKS. IS THAT JUST CDL AND CERTIFICATION? FOR THE MOST PART, YES. UM, NOW SOME OF IT IS UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, LIKE A PESTICIDE LICENSE, WHICH IS VERY MINIMAL, BUT MOST OF IT IS GOING TO CDL. YES. OR I'M SORRY, NOT PESTICIDE HERBICIDE, HER HERBICIDE. BUT YES, THAT IS MOSTLY GOING TO THAT. CURRENTLY OUR STIPEND FOR A-C-D-L-I BELIEVE IS $600 A YEAR. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S FOR LIKE WE'RE ASKING A MAINTENANCE TECH, RIGHT? WHO MAKES 1718 AN HOUR TO GET A CDL. I MEAN, ONCE THEY ACQUIRE THAT, I MEAN THEY CAN MINIMUM MAKE 25, $30 AN HOUR DRIVING DIRT BACK AND FORTH FOR SOMEBODY JUST 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A CDL. RIGHT? AND SO THAT WAS AN INCREASE TO TRY TO GIVE THEM. WHAT IT EQUATES TO IS HAVING A, I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR CDL DRIVERS IN THAT DEPARTMENT AND IT WAS A STIPEND, WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO $2 AN HOURLY WAGE. RIGHT. IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF THAT, BUT IN A STIPEND VERSUS NOT GOING TO THEIR HOURLY RATE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S PRETTY CONSERVATIVE, HONESTLY. IT IS. BUT IT, FOR US, IT WAS A STARTING POINT JUST TO, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT 600 AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, LET'S TRY TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT TO, TO TRY TO GET NOT ONLY ENTICE PEOPLE TO WANT TO GET A CDL, BUT ALSO WHEN THEY GET IT TO KEEP 'EM HERE DRIVING FOR US. UM, OKAY. AND MOVING ON, UH, NEW PERSONNEL REQUESTED. UM, I'LL SAY ONE OF THESE IS A NEW POSITION, LIKE AN ACTUAL JUST TOTALLY NEW PERSON. AND THAT'S THE MAINTENANCE TECH THAT IS BASED ON, UM, THE FACT OF US TRYING TO HAVE TWO DITCH CUTTING CREWS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . TWO FULL DITCH CUTTING CREWS AND THEN ALSO STILL HAVING SOMEONE WHO CAN GO DO SOME POTHOLES OR TRIM SOME TREES OR TAKE CARE OF AN EASEMENT OR A RIGHT AWAY OR PUT UP A SIGN, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING AN EXTRA PERSON IN THAT DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS THE STREETS FORMING. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A SUPERVISORY POSITION DIRECTLY OVER THAT STREETS AND DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT. UM, AND WE HAVE A, A GENTLEMAN WHO'S ACTUALLY, HE'S A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN, BUT HE'S ACTUALLY KIND OF TAKING THAT ROLE ON AND IS KIND OF LIKE TRYING TO HELP OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THINGS AND MAKE SURE THINGS ARE GETTING DONE AND SUBMITTING, YOU KNOW, OUR WEEKLY REPORTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING. UM, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE DITCHES THAT HAVE BEEN CUT, CULVERT'S CLEANED, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S JUST TURNING HIM INTO THAT, UM, THAT $93,000 WOULD BE FOR THE TOTAL POSITION. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALREADY PAYING A MAINTENANCE TECH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS $68,000, UH, TOTAL WITH BENEFITS AND EVERYTHING INCLUDED. SO IT WOULD BE THE DELTA OF THAT. I, UM, DIDN'T ADD THAT IN PROPERLY AS I PUT THE TOTAL 93,000, BUT THAT WOULD BE TOTAL FOR HIS SALARY INCREASE IN WHAT HE'S ALREADY CURRENTLY GETTING FOR BENEFITS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. HOLD ON REAL QUICK. WHY A FOREMAN, IF THEY WERE GONNA BE RELYING ON A CREW THAT'S NOT THEIR CREW, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CREW, THEY DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED CREW. WHAT DO YOU AND THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE THEY HAVE? WELL, THEY HAVE A STREETS AND DRAINAGE. YES. THEY HAVE. SO STREETS FOREMAN DOESN'T HAVE HIS OWN CREW HE HAS TO SHARE WITH EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A WATER LEAK OR A SEWER LEAK OR SEWER COLLAPSE OR TRIMMING TREES OR SOMETHING, HE DOESN'T, THOSE, THOSE ARE ALL SHARED PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE. RIGHT. WELL, SO OUT OF ALL THE STREETS, DRAINAGE, TREE TRIMMING SIGNS, THAT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO COME OUT OF THIS BUDGET AT A OH 1 5 5 8. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S ALL GENERAL FUN ITEMS. SO IN THEORY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MIX AND MINGLE THESE PEOPLE WITH WATER, SEWER, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. RIGHT. WHICH WE, WE DON'T, UNLESS THERE IS A MAJOR EMERGENCY. LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE STOPPED BY AND SEEN US AT THESE BIG WATER LEAKS LATE IN THE EVENING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. IF WE NEED PEOPLE THERE, WE'RE GONNA BRING THEM IN. BUT ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, WE DON'T MIX AND MINGLE THESE PEOPLE WITH STREETS. I MEAN, WITH THE WATER AND SEWER, WHO'S YOUR DITCH CUTTING CREW? OUR DITCH CUTTING CREW IS CURRENTLY, UH, TERRY HARRIS AND JOSH WILDE IN THE DUMP TRUCK. AND THEN WE HAVE A, A GENTLEMAN NAMED THOMAS OR DENNIS, THEY'LL KIND OF HELP OUT WITH, UH, SHOOTING THE GRAY SHOVEL WORK. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THEM BRING THE JET RODDER COME BY OR THE BACKER TRUCK TO CLEAN OUT THE CULVERTS. TYPICALLY IT'S THOSE FOUR AND THEY ALSO DO THE STREETS AND THEY WILL DO THE STREETS, THEY'LL DO THE POTHOLE PATCHING AND ALL THAT AS WELL. UM, AND I'VE BEEN OUT ON A SCENE WHERE I'VE SEEN JOSH AND TERRY AND THOSE GUYS OUT THERE HELPING WITH THE YES. IF, IF WE HAVE TO, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY CDL FOLKS CURRENTLY, RIGHT. WE HAVE THREE OF 'EM IN A CDL CLASS NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO THE REALITY OF IT TOO, IS WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY CDL DRIVERS TO GO BY. SO WE GOT A MAJOR LEAK, WE GOTTA TAKE OUT DIRT, BRING IN DIRT, REMOVE CONCRETE, REMOVE ASPHALT, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A CDL DRIVER FOR THAT. [04:00:01] HOW MANY, HOW MANY FOREMAN POSITIONS DO YOU HAVE UNDER ALL OF PUBLIC WORKS? UNDER EVERYTHING INCLUDING UTILITIES, DRAINAGE? SO WE HAVE A, UH, WE HAVE A FOREMAN OVER WATER, LIKE PREPARING ALL THE WATER LINES. WE HAVE A FOREMAN OVER SEWER, JUST ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LINES, ALL THE MANHOLES. UM, WE HAVE A SUPERVISOR OVER WATER TREATMENT AND WE HAVE A SUPERVISOR OVER, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT. AND SO YOU'VE USED TWO TERMS THERE, FOREMAN'S SUPERVISOR, IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT OR IT'S JUST NO, IT'S JUST THE WAY THEY TITLE IN. IT'S JUST THE WAY THEY'RE LABELED OR TITLED ON HERE. YEAH. UM, NOW WE DO HAVE A, A, A CREW LEADER POSITION, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN A FOREMAN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT IS. AND TO ME, I LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE OF A CREW LEADER IS PROBABLY SOMEONE WHO'S NOT GONNA DO ANY TYPE OF ADMINISTRATIVE WORK. RIGHT. THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE OUT IN THE FIELD AND I LOOK AT THE SUPERVISOR, SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA LIKE COMPLETE WORK ORDERS OR ACTUALLY COME UP WITH THEIR OWN TASK AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO DO. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DIFFERENTIATE IS EXEMPT, NON-EXEMPT, UH, ALL OF 'EM ARE NON-EXEMPT. OKAY. YEP. WHAT'S ANDY? ANDY IS A PUBLIC WORK SUPERINTENDENT. AND SO ANDY IS TASKED WITH BASICALLY RUNNING EVERYBODY. RIGHT. HIS, HIS, HIS PAY IS SPLIT BETWEEN GENERAL FUND AND AND WATER AND SEWER. SO HE'S OVER EVERYBODY. OKAY. WHICH THAT'S, AND GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF YOUR FOREMAN WHO, UH, THOMAS HALL IS ONE OF OUR FOREMANS. HE'S OVER ALL THE WATER CREW, UM, WHICH IS AGAIN, THEM GOING OUT REPAIRING WATER LEAKS, UM, YOU KNOW, INSTALLING NEW METERS, RIGHT? ALL THE NEW METER SETS WE HAVE GOING IN, ALL THE REPAIRS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS REPLACING A METER BOX LID OR A METER BOX ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BIG LEAKS WE HAVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. AND HE IS ALSO HAVING TO OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL OUR NEED FOR A STREETS AND DRAINAGE FOREMAN IS ALL THESE OTHER SECTORS, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEBODY IN CHARGE. RIGHT. BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF CHIEFS AND NOBODY TO DO THE WORK. YES. VERY PC HERE. I, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE WITH OUR FOREMANS, LIKE WE HAVE WITH, YOU KNOW, THOMAS AGAIN, LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE HE'S THE PERSON, HE'S ALSO OUT THERE OPERATING THE EQUIPMENT. HE'S WITH THE CREW AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING FOR AS WELL, IS LIKE, WE WANT WORKING FOREMAN AS WELL. AND WE DON'T WANT A FOREMAN WHO'S JUST OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS, HEY, Y'ALL GET THIS DONE AND TAKES OFF OUT OF THERE, RIGHT? LIKE WE WANT PEOPLE THERE ON SITE HELPING, TAKING CARE OF THINGS, HELPING DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET THE JOB DONE. UM, SO THAT'S THAT POSITION. UM, EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. UM, SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUR ONE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR POSITION, WHICH IS TERRY HARRIS, WHO'S PRIMARILY IN THAT GRADE ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE A NEED FOR ANOTHER ONE. WE WANNA TRY TO GET A SECOND CREW GOING. WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, LIKE JOSH IS GETTING REALLY GOOD AT THAT GRADE ALL HE'S HAD SOME, QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE WITH IT. BUT AGAIN, HE'S A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU GOT TERRY, WHO'S AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR GETTING PAID TO BE AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. AND SO THAT'S WHAT TURNING ONE OF THESE MAINTENANCE TECH POSITIONS RIGHT INTO ANOTHER EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. SO ISN, IT'S THE SAME THING IF, IF JOSH IS YOUR MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN AND YOU MOVE HIM TO EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, IT'S A LOT LESS OF A JUMP THAN CORRECT. YEAH, SAME THING. AND AGAIN, I, IT'S MY, UH, MY MISTAKE THERE FOR PUTTING A TOTAL AMOUNT OF THAT 75,000, IT SHOULD BE THE DELTA OF WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING, UH, LIKE JOSH FOR EXAMPLE, ALREADY PAYING HIS SALARY BENEFITS, ET CETERA. UM, AND AGAIN, THE MAINTENANCE TECH WAS THE NEW POSITION, UM, TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY KNOCK OUT ALL THESE THINGS AT ONE TIME. LIKE HAVING DITCH CUTTING, TWO DITCH CUTTING CREWS GOING AT ONE TIME. AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS AS WELL. UM, EXCUSE ME, I'LL BE FINE. IF WE HAD ONE DITCH CUTTING CREW THAT WAS DOING NOTHING BUT DITCH CUTTING, WE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE AND MOVE TO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO MM-HMM . AND AGAIN, INCREASING THIS AMOUNT OF, UH, CDLS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE THREE GENTLEMEN IN CLASS NOW, SO THE NEED FOR US TO PULL CDL DRIVERS FROM OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT, THAT'S GONNA DECREASE. 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE IN, WE'LL HAVE ONE IN SEWER, ONE IN WATER. SO WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LEAKS OR ISSUES, THEY HAVE SOMEONE IN THEIR SINGLE FUNCTION DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CAN PULL A CDO DRIVER FROM AND UTILIZE THAT INSTEAD OF ONES FROM THE STREETS. AND THEN, UH, SERVICE MANAGER MANAGER POSITION, AGAIN, THIS IS A, SOMEBODY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN HOUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SO BIG OF A FLEET EQUIPMENT, ALL THOSE THINGS, AND THEY GOTTA KEEP CARE, LIKE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES, COST OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, HE COMES UP WITH THE COST FOR US FOR LIKE OUR R AND M EQUIPMENT, LINE ITEMS. LIKE HOW MUCH ARE ALL THESE OIL CHANGES GONNA COST US BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF HOURS WE USE THESE EQUIPMENT, ALL THAT. HE'S DOING ALL THESE THINGS FOR US. BUT AGAIN, HE'S A MAINTENANCE TECH AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT POSITION CREATED. AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS, I SEE THIS AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS IT BECOME [04:05:01] A CITYWIDE THING WHERE LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS SERVICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT, STARTS TAKING OVER JUST PD EVERYBODY AND YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE CARE OF TIRES, OIL CHANGES, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO WHAT I SEE AS THE FUTURE OF THAT BEING, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SEE THAT AS WELL. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BENEFIT US GREATLY AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE COST. AND, AND RIGHT NOW YOU SEND THOSE TO SWALLOWS OUR SS AND S MOTOR TRENDS, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER, YOU KNOW. BUT SOMEBODY HAS A FLAT TIRE. SOMEBODY HAS A FLAT TIRE. YEAH. WE'LL TAKE 'EM TO, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT GO TO FOUR AND 18, THEY MIGHT GO TO, UM, THERE'S A TIRE SHOP RACK, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF JESS WHEELS AND TIRES RIGHT THERE NEXT TO, UH, OUR, OUR SERVICE CENTER THERE. JUST DEPENDS WHO GIVES US THE BETTER COST ON THE TIRES, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO. SO DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO CHANGE A TIRE? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY PRICED OUT, LIKE INSTALLING A LIFT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS IN OUR NEW BUILDING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT COST ON THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST, THAT'S OUR THOUGHT IS LIKE, LET'S TRY TO BUILD OUT A SERVICE, UH, SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER CITIES HAVE SERVICE DEPARTMENTS AND A SERVICE MANAGER. UH, YES. SO LIKE JACKSON, PERFECT EXAMPLE. I USED, I USED TO WORK THERE AND THEY HAVE A, A REALLY NICE SETUP THERE. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LITTLE GARAGE SHOP AREA. THEY, I THINK THEY HAD AT THE TIME IT WAS FIVE EMPLOYEES. THEY HAD SOMEONE TO DO TIRES, SOMEONE WOULD DO OIL CHANGES AND THE OTHER FOLKS, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD GET CERTIFIED IN MECHANICS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO SOME MINOR REPAIR WORK. YOU KNOW, CHANGES STARTERS, ALTERNATORS, BRAKES, WHATEVER ELSE. YOU KNOW, MINOR THINGS LIKE THAT. MY OPINION ON THAT IS THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH A LEASE AGREEMENT ON THE PD VEHICLES. I THINK THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN AREA THAT WE STAY AWAY FROM AND, AND JUST, UH, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH OF A TASK AT HAND MAINTAINING THE, UH, WORKABLE EQUIPMENT AND THE, UH, AND THE FLEET VEHICLES. BUT I THINK IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN MANAGE THAT AND UH, FIGURE OUT A, FIGURE OUT A PROGRAM OR, OR SPREADSHEET OR SOMETHING TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT WITH EASE OR AT LEAST EASIER AND KIND OF MANAGE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ALSO GOES ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING THE EQUIPMENT AND THE VEHICLE WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, OH SHOOT, YOU KNOW, AFTER, AFTER WE GET THIS BACK IN OR NEXT WEEK I NEED TO GO THROUGH OIL CHANGED ON MY TRUCK OR WE NEED TO CHANGE HYDRAULIC FILTERS AND STUFF ON THE EXCAVATOR. YES. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING TO DO. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HELP US WITH SOME OF OUR DOWNTIME AS WELL. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE LIKE WITH THE EQUIPMENT, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, LIKE HAVING TO, HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT EQUIPMENT OR HAVING MAINTENANCE DONE THAT WE CAN'T DO, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA EITHER TAKE IT SOMEWHERE OR HAVE SOMEONE COME IN AND THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKES AWAY A COUPLE DAYS THERE OF YOU NOT HAVING THAT EQUIPMENT OR SOMETIMES LONGER. SO I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN HOUSE AND GET IT DONE FASTER, I THINK WHEN YOU CAN RIGHT. RAIN RAINY DAY ACTIVITIES. YEAH. EXACTLY. OKAY. UH, MOVING ON. UM, A LOT OF THESE LISTED IN THIS, UH, IN SOME OF THIS REMAINDER, IT JUST KIND OF HAS THE SAME DESCRIPTION, RIGHT? WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AT WITH THE CUTS WE MADE IN THE PREVIOUS PHYSICAL YEAR. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE APPAREL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AT. UM, SAME THING WITH OFFICE SUPPLIES. UM, SIGN MATERIAL. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE WE HAD, UH, TOOK A CUT IN THAT WERE TRYING TO GET BACK TO. UM, QUIET ZONE AS WELL. THAT WAS TO MAINTAIN THE QUIET ZONE, WHICH IS ALL THE BOLLARD SIGNAGE, UH, STRIPING. WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO REDO THE STRIPING THIS COMING PHYSICAL YEAR. IS THAT THE UP REQUIRES THAT OR CORRECT. IN ORDER TO KEEP THE QUIET ZONE? YES. MM-HMM . AND SO WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN ALL THE BOLLARDS. IF THEY GET BROKEN, WE HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM. UM, I KNOW WE JUST ORDERED A, A SET OF BOLLARDS, I THINK. HOW MANY DID THEY ORDER? I WANNA SAY IT WAS TWO DOZEN AND I THINK IT'S LIKE SIX OR EIGHT GRAND. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. THEY'RE PRETTY EXPENSIVE. DOES IT HAVE TO BE THOSE BOLLARDS? CAN IT, THAT'S, CAN WE JUST GO AND PUT IN A RAISED LIKE MEDIAN RIGHT THERE AND WE COULD, THAT WOULD CUT DOWN ON ALL THIS MAINTENANCE? WE COULD. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO, UH, LIKE SUBMIT A PLAN TO THEM, TO THEIR ACQUIRE. WE'D HAVE TO RESUBMIT ALL THAT AND HAVE HDR R PUT IT ALL TOGETHER FOR US. SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO IF Y'ALL WANT US TO. DID YOU HAVE HAVE CONCRETE FROM THERE? YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONCRETE. YES. I BELIEVE BECAUSE I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT WHEN WE WERE RESUBMITTING. 'CAUSE IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS, WHAT, THREE YEARS AGO WE LOST QUIET ZONE AND WE HAD TO RESUBMIT ALL THAT STUFF FOR, WE TALKED ABOUT RAISE CONCRETE. WHAT, WHAT'S THE COST OF MAINTAINING ONE, ONE RAILROAD CROSSING FOR A FLIGHT ZONE IN TOWN? UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE, UH, JUST TO KINDA ROUGH ESTIMATE, I'D SAY PROBABLY ANYWHERE FROM JUST ANNUALLY AT 800 TO A THOUSAND MAYBE JUST 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE SIGNAGE THAT YOU GOTTA ORDER. THE POLES ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE 2 88 INTERSECTION, THE BOLLARDS THEMSELVES AND THEN ALSO THE STRIPING. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S EIGHT DIFFERENT SIGNS WE HAVE TO [04:10:01] MAINTAIN AT EACH CROSSING THE BALLARDS AND THE STRIPING. I BET THE ONE DOWNING IS PROBABLY THE ONE YOU REPLACE THE MOST THAT ESPECIALLY DURING OCTOBER FAIR TIME. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH SKINNY. WELL, IMPRESSIVE THAT THOSE THINGS GET SO MUCH WEER. YEAH. ITS SKINNY RIGHT THERE. AND THE ONE ON, UH, SKINNY GOES ACROSS THAT ON CEDAR OVER THERE BY RANGAN THOSE ALL THE TIME, THE TRUCKS RUN OVER ALL THE TIME. OH YEAH. OH YEAH. YEAH. WE WE'RE DOING, WE'RE REPLACING THOSE LIKE PROBABLY ONE EVERY OTHER WEEK AT A MINIMUM. I SEEN AN 18 WHEELER GO THROUGH THERE THE OTHER DAY AND JUST YEP. TAKE MOW RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF MY, AND THEY CAN HANDLE A LITTLE BIT. I MEAN, THEY'LL POP BACK UP. OH, THEY'LL POP BACK UP. BUT HOW MANY TIMES? BUT YEAH, AFTER SO MANY TIMES, YEAH, THEY JUST SHEER OFF. BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE LISTED OUT THAT WE'RE TO USE, YOU KNOW, UNION PACIFIC. SO UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE IN THAT QUIET ZONE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE QUIET ZONE. SO GOING BACK TO SIGN MATERIAL, SO YOU WERE 23,000, 10,000 AND NOW YOU'RE 21,000. CORRECT. IS THAT 'CAUSE OF ABIGAIL S OR IS THAT UNDER THEIR BUDGET? WHY HAVE YOU GONE UP $10,000 TO THE SIGN MATERIAL? UHHUH ? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE AT TWO YEARS AGO. RIGHT. AS FAR AS OUR BUDGET. RIGHT. AND WE WERE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, EVERY BIT OF, ARE YOU GONNA BE REPLACING A LOT OF SIGNS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T SEE MUCH GETTING REPLACED. THERE'S NOT, BUT THERE'S ALSO LIKE OUR, LIKE A LOT OF OUR STOP SIGNS ARE NOT AT THE CURRENT SIZE. THEY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF REAL SMALL STOP SIGNS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, LIKE OLD SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AND OLD STREET SIGNS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STARTING TO GET REALLY HARD TO SEE. THEY'RE NOT REALLY VISIBLE AT NIGHT ANYMORE. BUT WITHOUT THIS INCREASE, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST ABLE WITH THE 10,000, WE'RE JUST ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF LIKE WHAT PEOPLE CALL IN AND SAY, HEY, STREET SIGNS ARE MISSING. STOP SIGNS DOWN. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF WITH THAT. RIGHT. AND I MEAN, MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IN YOUR WHOLE BUDGET IS YOU'RE ASKING FOR A LOT OF MONEY TO DO A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT IF WE'RE GIVING YOU THIS MONEY, WE EXPECT IT TO GET DONE. SO IF YOU'RE WANTING TO INCREASE THE SIGN MATERIAL TO GO REPLACE SIGNS, WE WANNA SEE THE SIGNS GET REPLACED. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, GO GET IT DONE. IT'S GOTTA GET DONE. THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST TAKE IN, IN YOUR BUDGET OVERALL IS SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUIET ZONE. WHY DO YOU NEED A ZERO TURN? I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. UM, SO OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY TAKES CARE OF LIKE A LOT OF EASEMENTS AND RIGHT AWAYS THAT WE HAVE. I THOUGHT PARKS WAS DOING ALL THE RIGHT OF AWAYS. I KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE LIKE A, A LIST OF ONES THAT THEY DO. RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE LIKE ALL THESE ALLEYWAYS AND EASEMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THAT ARE PROPERTY OF THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, PARKS DEPARTMENT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TIME TO MAINTAIN WHAT THEY GOT ALREADY FROM WHAT I, FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM THEM, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, SO OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT GOES, WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. Y'ALL HAVEN'T MAINTAINED THIS ALLEY IN A YEAR. WE GOT TREES OVERGROWN AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. SO THEY GO IN THERE AND TAKE CARE OF IT. WE SEND OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT TO GO IN THERE AND TAKE CARE OF IT. SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED A NEW ONE THERE. I THINK THE, ONE OF THE LAWNMOWERS, THEY HAVE TWO OF 'EM, ONE OF THE ONES THEY CURRENTLY HAVE. WE ACTUALLY GOT TO REPLACE ONE LAST YEAR. UM, THE ONE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, I THINK IS EITHER 12 OR 15 YEARS OLD. SO IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY BAD CONDITION. UM, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY NEED IT. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, VEHICLE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. UM, THAT'S TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AT IN THE PREVIOUS PHYSICAL YEAR. AND, UM, IF WE REMEMBER, UM, WE HAD A TOUR OF ALL OUR EQUIPMENT AND FLEET, YOU KNOW, AND WE KIND OF TALKED TO Y'ALL ABOUT WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND JUST GENERAL THINGS, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST OIL CHANGES, TAKING CARE OF TIRES, WHATEVER ELSE ON OUR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THOSE ADJUSTMENTS ARE IS JUST TO GET US TO WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS. AND ALSO ANY UNEXPECTED REPAIRS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. BUT JUST GENERAL COST OF MAINTAINING OUR EQUIPMENT IS ABOVE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED AND, AND OUR, UH, VEHICLE AND, UM, EQUIPMENT R AND M. AND THAT'S REALLY IN ALL, IN ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL THAT WE HAVE LISTED OUT WHERE WE HAVE INCREASES TO, UH, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THAT VEHICLE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, YOU HAVE 3000 AS CURRENT YEAR LINE 26 SUSIE. 3000 AS CURRENT YEAR. YEAH, I HAVE IT ON MINE TOO. I HAVE 8,000 IN THE BUDGET. CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. THAT'S A DECREASE OF $500. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT JUST LIKE, UH, WHAT I HEARD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MENTION. I THINK, I THINK WE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT TO BRING IT TO THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT WHAT LINE ITEM, IF I REMEMBER COUNT 5, 5 8, 3 0 5. 3 0 5. [04:15:01] I BELIEVE WE DID THAT VEHICLE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT. LINE 26 ON YOUR SPREADSHEET RIGHT THERE. IT'S 8,000 CORRECT. BUDGET. YEAH. AND, BUT THAT SAYS 3000. OKAY, SO IT'S ALREADY AT 75. YEAH. LOOK AT COLUMN C SUSIE. YEAH. YOU SEE HOW IT SAYS 3000? YES. THE BOOK SAYS EIGHT. OKAY. FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. SO, OKAY, NOW THAT THAT'S ON HIS, OH, SO DOES MINE. MINE HAS 3002. MM-HMM . SO IT'S IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND YOU'RE JUST GOING DOWN $500. I REALLY DON'T CARE. . PERFECT. . ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO YOU WANNA BRING IT DOWN TO 7,500 OR DID YOU WANT TO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR. YEAH, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE CALCULATED FOR, UM, LIKE OIL CHANGES, TIRES, ALL THOSE JUST BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF HOURS IN MILES WE DRIVE THESE VEHICLES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. ABOUT 80. WRONG LINE, WRONG LINE ITEM. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. UM, AND, AND THEN AGAIN, EQUIPMENT R AND M, A PORTION OF THAT COST IS FOR, UM, A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS 50,000 OF THAT WAS TRYING TO OVERHAUL THAT CURRENT GRADE. ALL THAT OLD GRAY GRADE. ALL WE HAVE, IT WAS JUST LIKE, LET'S GO IN, REPLACE EVERYTHING ON IT THAT WE NEED TO BE REPLACED AT THE AMOUNT OF HOURS. IT'S, IT'S ON NOW IS AROUND 50 K BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF USAGE THAT IT'S HAD SO FAR. AND THE REST OF IT IS, AGAIN, SAME THING. INCREASE FOR OUR, UM, ACTUAL, UM, MAINTENANCE OF ALL OUR EQUIPMENT THAT'S, THAT'S IN OUR, UH, STREETS DEPARTMENT, WHICH INCLUDES SOME OF THE NEW THINGS WE GOT AS WELL. RIGHT. THE PATCH TRUCK AND THAT FRONT END LOADER THOSE ITEMS, LIKE INCLUDING THEM NOW IN THIS AS WELL. UM, AADA A ACCOMMODATIONS THAT'S, UM, SAME THING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IN YEARS BEFORE. THIS IS JUST AS WHAT, UH, I HEARD, UH, JASON SPEAKING ON AS WELL AS SOME A DA TRANSITION, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AROUND THE CITY AND OUR SIDEWALKS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WELL, I THINK YOU'RE DOING THAT ON DIFFERENT LINES, JUST TARGET THEM WHEN YOU'RE DOING 'EM. CORRECT. AND I KNOW SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, LIKE IN THIS OTHER SIDEWALK LINE ITEMS, SOME, SOMETIMES THAT'S FOR, UM, LIKE IF WE DAMAGE THINGS WHILE WE'RE DOING OTHER PROJECTS, YOUR WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT GOES TO, THAT'S A AS WELL, THAT'S AN INCREASE. RIGHT. BUT THAT 50,000 DOWN THERE. CORRECT. AND IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT I, I'LL MAKE A NOTE HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT A DA FOCUSED ON HERE ON THIS, UH, 50,000 DOWN HERE ON LOAD NEXT SECTION. YEP. UM, INFRASTRUCTURE R AND M, UM, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY, UM, IN PREV IN THE TWO PREVIOUS CYCLES AGO, WE DECREASED THIS BUDGET ITEM BY $30,000. UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, $80,000 IS WHAT IT USED TO BE AT. WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING, UM, WHAT IS THAT? UM, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, 50,000 MORE, UM, JUST FOR WHAT WE'RE SEEING, A LOT OF INCREASE IN, UH, ASPHALT AND, UM, A BUNCH OF CRUSHED ROCK. WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ALLEYS TO INSTALL CRUSHED ROCK IN. AND ALSO WE'RE NOTICING TOO IS, UM, SOME OF OUR, UM, LIKE ACCESS POINTS TO LIKE OUR WATER WELLS AND OUR LIFT STATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE NEED TO ADD A LOT OF CRUSH ROCK TO THOSE AS WELL. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ALL WEATHER ACCESS TO ALL THESE AND WE DON'T QUITE HAVE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AS WELL WITH THAT. UM, BUT YEAH, ALL THE NUMBER ONE, TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS WE HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE ON WHAT WE GET DONE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE FUNDING FOR THE MATERIALS FLAT OUT. AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS A GOOD THING FOR US TO HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT INCREASE IS FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. R AND M, UM, LET'S SEE. THERE'S TRAFFIC LIGHTS. UH, WE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT ANYMORE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS DESCRIBED THIS WAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WAS CONSIDERED, THE SCHOOL LIGHTS, THEY WERE VICE VERSA. RIGHT. AND WE HAD ANOTHER LINE ITEM FURTHER DOWN THAT WAS DESCRIBED AS LIGHTS AND THAT'S WHAT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE. SO IT'S KIND OF, YEAH. MISLEADING. AND I TRIED TO CHANGE IT, BUT . UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO THIS TRAFFIC LIGHTS ONE HERE, THIS THREE 16 ACCOUNT, THAT IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY USE FOR LIKE OUR SCHOOL ZONE LIGHTING. SO I HAVE A TOTAL COST IN HERE OF, OF 40,000, WHICH I HOPE IS ON THERE. RIGHT? [04:20:02] IS THIS ONE ACTUALLY ON THERE? YES, IT GOES FROM ZERO, 40,000. YEAH. AND IT HAS A DESCRIPTION ON THERE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAD $8,000 IN THERE PRIOR AND THAT ALLOTS US TO REPLACE APPROXIMATELY TWO SCHOOL ZONE LIGHTS. UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME CROSSWALK LIGHTS WE STILL NEED TO INSTALL. AND I, THIS WHOLE COST HERE IS 40,000 IS TO REPLACE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVEN'T REPLACED YET WITH NEW SCHOOL LIGHTS AND SOLAR AND ALSO ALL THE CROSSWALKS. THAT'S WHAT THIS COST IS. UH, BUT IF ANYTHING, GETTING BACK THE $8,000 THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD AT LEAST WE CAN DO TWO A YEAR AND START WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. UH, FINISHING, REPLACING ALL THE REST OF THE SCHOOL ZONE LIGHTS. GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF AN AREA THAT YOU WANT TO TACKLE. UH, WELL I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD ONE. A DOWNING THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY IS NO SCHOOL ZONE LIGHTS. ALL WE HAVE IS THIS FLASHING CROSSWALK, WHICH EVERYONE THINKS IS A SCHOOL ZONE LIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S FOR THAT CROSSWALK THERE, WHICH ACTUALLY WE NEED TO SIGN ON A NEW ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THAT CROSSWALK FLASHING FROM BOTH WAYS. AND WE ALSO NEED WHERE THE SIGNAGE IS ON BOTH ENDS, WHICH I BELIEVE ONE STARTS AT, UH, I WANNA SAY IT'S WIMBERLEY AND THE OTHER ONE STARTS THERE CLOSE TO WILDCAT, WHERE THOSE SIGNS ARE. MM-HMM . AND THOSE NEED TO BE ACTUAL SCHOOL ZONE FLASHING ON A TIMER, SOLAR, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT AREN'T DONE YET. AND SO THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS GETTING EVERYTHING TAKEN CARE OF. I KNOW WE'VE, UH, GOTTEN CEDAR DONE AND UH, WE REPLACED THE ONES ON ANDERSON AND ONE OF THE ONES ON CEMETERY ROAD SO FAR. DOES IT HAVE TO BE 40,000 TO START? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. IT'S LIKE 10,000 IF YOU CAN GIMME 10,000, LIKE I SAID, EIGHT, 8,000 A LOTS FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO NEW ONES. 10,000 WILL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TRY TO MAYBE, UH, MAYBE REPLACE LIKE SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE AREAS OR MAYBE EVEN SOME STRIPING IN THE SCHOOL ZONE AREA. AND I DID REACH OUT TO A BUNCH OF OTHER CITIES TO SEE IF LIKE THEIR A I SDS SUPPORT ANY OF THIS SCHOOL ZONE LIGHTS OR STRIPING AND I GOT ALL CONSENSUS OF NOS. SO I DON'T THINK ANY OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS HELP OUT WITH, WITH THIS FUNDING AS MAYBE THEY'RE IN THE SAME BOAT WE ARE. RIGHT. THAT IT'S ALL IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN SPEND THEIR BOARD FUNDS RIGHT ON SOMETHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. JUST LIKE WE COULDN'T SPEND OUR FUNDS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO I THINK IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING. I'M JUST THINKING WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN CLUT LAST END OF THE YEAR. AND I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT THE ISSUES OF RANCHO AND RANCHO. YES. UM, I WOULD, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO START TACKLING CORRECT BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS. YES. NOT THE, I KNOW DOWNING'S NEXT ON OUR LIST BECAUSE THERE'S, AGAIN, THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL SCHOOL ZONE LIGHT THERE. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT GOAL IS PUT ONE ON EACH SIDE. START THERE, THEN, THEN FIX THE CROSSWALK. WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS? I THINK IT DOES NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TACKLED FOR SURE. SAFETY ISN'T, I MEAN TO ME THAT'S, I'M I'M JUST GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU. I THINK, I THINK WHATEVER THE, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT ON THIS NEEDS TO BE FUNDED IMMEDIATELY. LIKE IF THERE'S FOUR OF THEM THAT NEED TO BE DONE, WE NEED OF THEM AND PAINTING SIGNAGE. SO IF WE NEED A COUPLE OF THEM AT RANCHO AND WE NEED A COUPLE OF 'EM ON DOWNING, WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOCATE THE FUNDS TO GET THOSE DONE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THE ONE I HEAR ALL THE TIME IS RANCHO. I MEAN THAT IS, THAT'S THE ONE I HEAR COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME ABOUT, WHICH ALSO HAS THE MOST WALKERS AND THE BIGGEST NEED TO ME OF YES KIDS. AND I KNOW WE HAD, ME AND YOU HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT IT AND I THINK ANDY WAS OUT THERE WITH US AS WELL AND WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET'S RUN A SIDEWALK DOWN THIS SIDE. LET'S CREATE THE CROSSWALK THROUGH HERE SO THAT WAY KIDS AREN'T HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW? AND I KNOW ANOTHER ISSUE WAS, UH, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKED THROUGH THERE AND LIKE KIDS WALKED TO GET IN THE VEHICLES. I KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER ISSUE THERE. YOU GOT A KID HIT THERE. UM, YEAH. LEMME JUST ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE AT RANCHO THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A DOUBLE ENTRANCE BASICALLY WAS DESIGNED, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY BUILT THAT WAY. SOMEBODY SAVE SOME COST AND THOSE TREES THAT ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE ARE WHAT, TO ME IT LOOKED LIKE, SHOULD BE A MEDIAN WHERE, WHERE IT TURNS THAT RACHEL. YEAH. BUT AS YOU GO INTO THE, THE PARK OH YEAH, YEAH. WHERE THE WHERE THE STOP SIGN IS. YOU GO BACK AND THEN, YEAH. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, IF YOU EVER JUST BUILT THAT OUT INTO FREEDOM, INTO FREEDOM, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT HELP OR ASSIST WITH THE OH, IT WOULD. THE TRAFFIC. ABSOLUTELY. SO YEAH, I MEAN WHAT IF YOU JUST DID THAT AND THEN I KNOW IT WOULD COST SOME MONEY. YEAH. BUT MAYBE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU GOT TO TAKE THOSE STEPS TO PREVENT OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SAFE TRAVEL MM-HMM . IN SCHOOL ZONES. [04:25:01] YEAH. BUT IF, IF WE CAN LOOK AT A COST ALL THAT, IF THERE'S THE SAME, IF THAT IF BUILDING, FINISHING THAT OUT WOULD CREATE TRAVIS COULD, COULD YOU, COULD YOU HELP ME AND JUST SHOW ME WHERE, SORRY MA'AM, I'M JUST, I'M NO, I'M JUST SOMETHING FOR US TO LOOK AT. I DON'T KNOW. I'M, I'M KIND OF, I WE'RE CURIOUS. I NEED TO LEAVE. YES MA'AM. IF YOU COME HERE INTO THIS IS JUST, BUT IF YOU CAN SEE THE WAY IT WAS CONSTRUCTED THAT OUT SHOULD ON HERE, LINE UP ON THAT SIDE FOR ONE WAY TRAVEL INSTEAD OF TWO WAY TRAVEL COMING IN AND OUT HERE. AND THEY BOTH HAVE TO TURN, YOU COULD CREATE A, I KNOW LIKE ONE WAY LINE TRAVEL. THAT WAY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO CROSS. I, SO, SO, SO IF WE PUT A, IF WE EXTENDED THIS ROAD TO TIE INTO HERE AND JUST CARVE THAT CORRECT LOOKS AND IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU GO OUT THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS SOMEBODY ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IT TO BE, I THINK WE CAN MAKE YOU WITH THAT ONE . THAT SOUNDS YEAH, I AGREE. WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I JUST KNOW PUBLIC IF YOU GUYS BUILD OUT, MAYBE THAT HELPS. WELL IT DOES BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU EXTEND YOUR, INSTEAD OF PEOPLE SLOW TRAFFIC QUEUING HERE AND COMING IN. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IT IS, IT'S A, I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD, UH, YEAH, WE WANTED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO PAY FOR THAT. BUT TO PAY ON THE OTHER SIDE THE Q BUT MAKE SURE I'M SURE WHAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING ABOUT, I'LL GET A COST ON IT. UM, BASICALLY TAKING THAT STOP RIGHT HERE AND TAKES A RIDE ON MUSTANG, IT GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND INTO THE PARK. I GOTCHA. YEAH, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK HERE, IT JUST, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. LIKE THIS IS, TO ME, THIS TREE LINE WAS ALMOST IMMEDIATE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHTS, SEE THAT'S WHAT ALWAYS IT LOOKS LIKE. WE LITERALLY HAVE LIGHTS THAT THE LIGHTS ARE LIGHTS. OH MY GOD. SHOULD BE AGAINST THIS. TREES. LOOK AT THIS. THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, SHOULD BE LIKE, LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT THIS. YEAH. THE LIGHTS RUN. SEE, THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS BEING OUT. LIKE THE LIGHTS ARE THERE. OKAY. SOMEBODY LAID ELECTRIC AND WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT A ONE WAY, RIGHT? LIKE RIGHT. IF YOU'RE AT THAT STOP SIGN RIGHT. TURN ONLY THROUGH THAT OR CORRECT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. YOU JUST MAKE A ONE WAY. LIKE A ONE WAY. OKAY. CIRCLE IN AND OUT PLEASE. I NO, I TOOK KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA. OH, I'VE NEVER NOTICED, I NEVER NOTICED THOSE BITES. THAT'S SO WEIRD. YEAH. I NEVER, I NEVER PAID ATTENTION. YOU JUST LIKE, HEY . OKAY. YOU GOT THOSE LIGHTS THAT ARE LIKE 35 FEET BEHIND THE CURB? YES. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S PERFECT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST MAKE IT A SINGLE LANE THING TOO, YOU KNOW, JUST SO ONE WAY ONLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'LL GET A COST ON THAT, SEE WHAT IT IS. UM, BUT YES, THAT'S WHAT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS IS. IT'S ALL SCHOOL LIGHTS AND JUST TRYING TO GET ALL THOSE UPGRADED. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE LET'S DO 20,000 GET STARTED ON 'EM. THAT'S, THAT'S UM, YOU SAID TWO A A SET OF TWO IS 8,000. CORRECT. AND SO THAT GIVES US FOUR AND SOME SIGNAGE. AND SOME SIGNAGE. CORRECT. WE CAN AND ONE OF THOSE GOES TOWARDS RANCHO. YES. YEAH. AND ONE OF THOSE IS ON DOWNING. CORRECT. SO YOU WANTED TO ADD 20,000 YES MA'AM. TO THREE 16 OR TO FOUR 11 TO THREE 16. YEAH. FOUR 11 IS THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, WHICH WE JUST HAVE TO GET THOSE INSPECTED ANNUALLY. AND NOW THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE BER OPERATING ON A, ON A, UH, ACTUAL CYCLE ANYMORE, IT'S JUST A FOUR-WAY STOP. I MEAN, JUST GOTTA GET 'EM INSPECTED ANNUALLY. THAT'S IT. A VERY BAD FOUR-WAY STOP ONLY AT CERTAIN TIMES. YEAH. I THINK IT OPERATES BETTER AS A FOUR-WAY STOP OVERALL THOUGH, JUST IN GENERAL VERSUS HAVING A LIGHT THERE. ALRIGHT. UH, ROAD PAINTING, WHICH IS ROAD STRIPING. UM, I KNOW THAT WE USED TO HAVE, I, IT'S NOT LISTED IN MY BOOK EITHER. UM, BUT I KNOW WE USED TO HAVE 20,000 IN THAT LINE ITEM AND NOW WE ONLY HAVE 10. UM, SO I, I SHOULD HAVE, IF I, IF I MADE THE MISTAKE AND DIDN'T PUT IT IN THERE, BUT I THOUGHT I DID, UM, IT SHOULD BE A $10,000 INCREASE TO BRING IT TO 20,000 IS WHAT THE REQUEST IS. AND I'M SURE AS EVERYONE SEES AROUND TOWN, WE HAVE, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE STRIPING CURRENTLY THAT ARE REALLY FADED, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF STREETS THAT WE'VE OVERLAID OVER THE YEARS THAT WE DIDN'T GO BACK IN STRIPES. SO NOW WE START TO, I'M SURE YOUR BUDGET IS ZERO THIS YEAR AND YOU'RE AT ADDING 10. YEAH. SEE [04:30:01] MINE SAYS 10,000. I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING. AND PROPOSED BUDGET IS 10,000. THAT'S WHAT MINE SAYS THIS. THE BOOK SAYS ZERO TO 10 SAYS THAT I'M INCREASING BY 10. YEP. OKAY. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DID WIPE THAT ONE OUT THIS YEAR FOR, OR THIS UH, THAT PREVIOUS YEAR WE DID ALL THOSE MAJOR CUTS. YEP. SO WELCOME. YOUR BOOK IS RIGHT. MINE IS WRONG. YES. YOU'RE GETTING IT. AWESOME. THANK YOU. . YEAH. ALL BUT THAT'S STRIPE SOME ROADS. ALRIGHT. WE DEFINITELY WILL. UM, OKAY. SIDEWALKS, WE JUST, WE ACTUALLY ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE. WE'LL KEEP THAT 180 DA FOCUS THAT INCREASE. UH, NOT TO NOT, NOT TO DERAIL US AGAIN, BUT, UH, FOR $10,000, WHAT DOES THAT GET US IN STRIPING? UH, I BELIEVE APPROXIMATELY TWO MILES OF LIKE A CENTER STRIPE AND THEN LIKE ANY STOP BARS WE HAVE ALONG THE WAY, JUST ROUGH ESTIMATE ABOUT TWO MILES. BUT WHEN WE GO TO, NOT, AGAIN, NOT TO GET OFF TRACK, BUT WHEN WE GO TO STRIKE, DO WE FOCUS PRIMARILY ON MAIN THOROUGHFARE ROADS THAT WE'VE REDONE VERSUS RESIDENTIAL ROADS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD? YES. MOSTLY TRAFFICKED ROADS. RIGHT. BUT LIKE IF WE GO TO LIKE A UM, LIKE A, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT UH, LIKE A CANNON INTERSECTION, RIGHT? IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT, IT MIGHT NEED A TOUCH UP THERE. YEAH. BUT WE DID JUST DO IT I THINK TWO YEARS AGO. SO IT'S LIKE, DO YOU FOREGO THAT ANOTHER YEAR AND DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE STRIPING AT ALL? OR DO YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE AGAIN TO FRESHEN IT UP? YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE LIKE THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES. DO WE DO IT OURSELVES OR WE HIRE IT OUT? WE HIRE IT OUT. I KNOW WE GOT A COST ON A MACHINE. I THINK A MACHINE COST. UM, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? YOU WANT CADILLAC OR SOME BASIC SYSTEM. I THINK THERE WERE LIKE EIGHT TO $12,000 FOR, FOR A MACHINE, UH, BUCKET OF PAINTS, A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU GOTTA BUY THE, THE JARS OF THE REFLECTIVE STUFF. UM, SO THAT'S COST ON MATERIALS. BUT THE PROBLEM I SEE IS LIKE WE'RE ALREADY HAVING TROUBLE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH DITCH CUTTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MM-HMM . LIKE ADDING THAT INTO THE MIX. IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE WE REALLY ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TIME TO DO THAT PROPERLY? PROBABLY THIS NEEDS TO BE EXPANSION PLANS FOR, FOR THE FUTURE. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH YEAH. IT'S LIKE DO WE WANT A STRIPING CREW AGAIN? DO WE WANT TO ADD SOMETHING LIKE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PITCHED AROUND WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONS IN THE PAST IF MACHINE SPRAYER, STENCILS, ALL THAT STUFF. EVERYTHING. YEAH. IF TO BUY ALL THOSE MATERIALS GET STARTED AND THEN GOTTA HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT ON A PERIODIC BASIS, YOU KNOW? OKAY. UM, SOLAR LIGHTS. SO I'M SHOWING I HAVE A HUNDRED OR INCREASE OF A HUNDRED AND WE GOT A HUNDRED, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAD GIVEN 30, 32 5 RIGHT. LAST YEAR IF I REMEMBER CORRECT. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . 32 5. 32 5. ANOTHER 32 5 THIS YEAR COMING UP. SO, OKAY. SO SAME AMOUNT THIS YEAR. YEAH. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO, WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS YEAR REALLY IS UH, I KNOW WE ENDED UP REPLACING, UM, A LOT OF, WELL WE REPLACED EVERY SINGLE ONE THAT WAS OUT IS WHAT WE DID. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM THAT WAS OUT. BUT DALLAS IS FIXED. BUT WHAT NOW? DALLAS IS FIXED. CORRECT. DALLAS, WE HAD A LOT ON SOUTH SIDE DRIVE. UM, I THINK THERE WAS ONE OR TWO ON HOUSTON AND UH, THERE WAS TWO WE HAD OUT ON WIMBERLEY AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT. BUT WE REPLACED ALL THOSE. BUT GOOD NEWS IS THIS COMING YEAR. SO WE, WE REPLACED ALL OF THOSE. RIGHT NOW THE ORIGINAL ONES THAT WERE INSTALLED ON HOUSTON AND DALLAS, THERE WAS NO HOPE FOR THOSE. THE COMPANY THAT SOLD 'EM TO US. YEAH. GONE. THEY'RE GONE. I CAN'T EVEN, I TRIED CALLING A NUMBER, THERE'S, THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. BUT THE GREEN FROG ONES, THE BLACK ONES, WE CAN REPAIR THOSE. I THINK IT WAS LIKE RIGHT EIGHT, $900 A PIECE I BELIEVE TO REFURBISH THOSE. AND THEN BOOM, WE GOT THOSE BACK IN STOCK VERSUS BUYING A NEW ONE FOR I THINK 32, 3600 A NEW UNIT. SO WE HAVE THOSE THAT WE HAVE ARE GONNA HAVE IN STOCK TO REPLACE THE REST OF 'EM. SO THIS YEAR WITH THAT 32 5, WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE CARE OF A SMALLER STREET VERSUS HAVING TO BUY A BUNCH OF NEW HEADS TO REPLACE THE OLD ONES. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. WE FOUND SOMEONE WHO CAN FIX THOSE. BUT 32 5 IS THE NEW STREET, THE NEW ONES WHICH ARE FUND ROCHE. CORRECT. THOSE ARE OFF ON ROCHE. YES. THOSE ALL HAVE A WARRANTY. CORRECT. AND WHAT WAS IT, THREE FIVE? UH, I THINK IT'S A 10 YEAR WARRANTY IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. YEAH, THEY DO A GREAT JOB INSTALLING ALL THOSE THINGS TOO. WHEN YOU ASK THEM FOR A NEW STREET INSTALL. LIKE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DID, UH, NORTH VIEW IN THAT AREA OVER THERE. MM-HMM . IT'S GREAT. FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING, SOMETHING RIGHT. YOU KNOW. YEAH. THEY'RE VERY GOOD QUALITY. UH, OKAY. SO THAT'S SOLAR, UH, BUILDING R AND M UH, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THIS PAST, WE DID THE, MADE THE BUDGET CUT TWO YEARS AGO TO GET RID OF THAT BUILDING ACCOUNT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A BUILDING LAST YEAR SO YOU KNOW, DIDN'T AFFECT US MUCH. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO HAVING A BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT AMOUNT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY CUT BACK. UM, OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT. I KNOW IT'S A BRAND NEW BUILDING. I MEAN, HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO DO FOR IT UP FRONT, YOU KNOW? BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BRING THAT BACK [04:35:01] TO SOME EXTENT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT PUBLIC FACILITY THAT WE'RE NOW GONNA HAVE AGAIN THIS COMING PHYSICAL YEAR. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT REQUEST IS. I HAVE IT ON HERE FOR 55,000. IS THAT ON THERE AS WELL? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT AGAIN? UH, BUILDING R AND M UH, 5 5 8 3 20. AND I THINK THEY WERE USING IT TO PAY FOR THE RENTAL OF THAT TRAILER, UH, THAT RENTAL TRAILER OFFICES THAT WE HAD WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE. BUT YES, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE UTILIZED FOR, IS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR, OUR SERVICE CENTER. KO NEW KMO. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT REQUEST IS. THE THE, THE 55. AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO USE THAT FOR? I GUESS, UH, IN SOME CASES YOUR RMI MEAN YOU'VE GOT A NEW BUILDING SO I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF OUTFITTING WITH THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO GET THE NEW BUILDING. YEAH. STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEN ALSO, UM, I KNOW UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO EXPAND, UM, 'CAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT ALL OUR EQUIPMENT OUT, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE, THAT CURRENT LIEN TOO THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. MM-HMM . WE WERE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THAT. WE WANTED TO ADD FOUR BAYS AND I THINK THAT WAS $20,000 TO EXTEND THAT. FOUR MORE BAYS. AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA MAKE THOSE TALLER FOR OUR BIGGER UNITS, LIKE OUR V TRUCK. MM-HMM . AND THOSE ARE GONNA BE LIKE OUR BIGGER BAYS. AND THEN THE OTHERS, THE OTHER ONES WILL SUFFICE FOR THE OTHER CURRENT EQUIPMENT. OKAY. AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE GETTING THE PLACE SPRAYED FOR, YOU KNOW, PESTICIDES, ALL THOSE LITTLE SMALL MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS LIKE THAT. JUST BUILDING GENERAL BUILDING MAINTENANCE. UM, OKAY. AND, UH, SAFETY. UM, AGAIN, SAFETY'S SOMETHING BIG WE REALLY HIT ON THIS YEAR. UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID BUY A BUNCH OF SAFETY EQUIPMENT. THESE COSTS HERE. THESE 30,000 IS UM, THE COST FOR LIKE OUTFITTING EVERY EMPLOYEE FOR WHAT THEY NEED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND THEN ALSO JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ESPECIALLY IN THE STREETS DEPARTMENT TO LIKE BUY MORE BARRICADES AND TRAFFIC, UH, TRAFFIC CONES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND, AND ALSO SOME OF OUR LIKE MINUTE WORK SIGNS. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES OUR GUYS KIND OF HAVE TO LIKE, ARE YOU USING THE BARRICADES? CAN WE GO GET 'EM FROM HERE AND PUT 'EM HERE? YOU KNOW. THEN WE HAVE SOME EVENTS THAT WE SUPPORT AROUND THE CITY, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A SCHEDULING CONFLICT 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF 'EM. AND THEN ALSO LIKE A, LIKE A TRENCH BOX OR THOSE KIND OF OTHER SAFETY ITEMS LIKE THAT. SO JUST TRYING TO MAKE SAFETY WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY BECOMING A LINE ITEM AND ACTUALLY HAS A FUNDING SOURCE IN IT IN EACH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT LINE IN HERE WITH AN INCREASE FOR EVERY SINGLE, ALL OUR WATER SEWER DEPARTMENTS ALL OVER. JUST FOR THE VARIOUS SAFETY THINGS. UH, JOHN HELPED US OUT A LOT IN COMING UP WITH THE COST FOR LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE AND AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, LIKE WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT WOULD ACTUALLY NEED AS FAR AS THEIR EQUIPMENT. UM, AND ALSO TO, TO MAKE A NOTE THAT UM, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK THE OVERALL GOAL OF THIS WAS TO GO LIKE CITYWIDE SAFETY, RIGHT? OR WE ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING AND JOHN KIND OF IN CHARGE OF JOHN DEPTO IS KIND OF IN CHARGE OF ALL THAT, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST FOR B BASICS IT'S ABOUT $1,800 A PERSON FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WORKING OUT IN THE FIELD. YOU KNOW, TO GET 'EM THE HARD HAT. THEY REQUIRED A SAFETY AND LIKE SIGNAGE, CONES, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO HAVE LIKE EVEN LIKE A DEVELOPMENT SERVICE PERSON WHO'S OUT THERE DOING AN INSPECTION TO HAVE SAFETY, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT'S IF WE WANTED TO GO CITYWIDE WITH IT. UM, SO THAT'S THAT. UM, MOVING ON, UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING. SO THIS BIG INCREASE HERE IS UH, FOR THE UM, COST OF THAT CDL TRAINING CLASS, LIKE PER PERSON, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS A 25 OR $2,800 PER PERSON. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MAJOR INCREASE IS FOR. UM, AND THEN ALSO WE WANTED TO TRY TO GET SOMEONE ELSE HERBICIDE LICENSED SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT ONE PERSON HAVING TO WORK UNDER THAT ONE PERSON'S JURISDICTION UNDER THEIR SUPERVISION. THAT'S WHAT THAT INCREASES FOR. YEAH. WHAT WAS ON THE LAST PAGE? I'M LOOKING AT THIS. SO CONTRACT LABOR? YES. THAT'S THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. ON TRAVEL AND TRAINING I ONLY PUT 4,550. SO IF YOU DO NEED THE WHOLE NINE, I DO NEED TO CHA MAKE THAT CHANGE. OKAY. IF YOU SEE THAT ON THE YELLOW IT, IT HAS 4,450. I MEAN I CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE BACK TO THE NINE. OKAY. YEAH. WITH THAT, WITH 4,500 WE'D BE ABLE TO SEND ONE PERSON TO GO GET A CDL CERTIFICATION THIS YEAR OR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. SO DO I NEED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE? 'CAUSE I ONLY GAVE IT HALF, HE REQUESTED 9,000 AND YOU CAN SEE I ONLY PUT 4,550. [04:40:06] YEAH, WE ACTUALLY GOT TO PARTNER WITH UH, LAKE JACKSON AND THE ALVIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY GOT A REALLY GOOD PRICE ON THAT. I THINK IT WAS 2,800 BUCKS A PERSON VERSUS THE OTHER CHEAPEST WE COULD FIND WAS LIKE $3,800 A PERSON. SO IT'S PRETTY GOOD. PRETTY GOOD DEAL TO WORK WITH THEM. SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU NEED? UH, 9,000 IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO SEND. UH, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEND THREE PEOPLE AND THEN, UH, THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR THIS WOULD DECREASE 'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T NEED TO SEND THAT MANY PEOPLE. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY WE GOT IN OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT, LIKE CERTIFIED SO THAT WAY WE CAN JUST, EVERYONE CAN DRIVE THE, THE TRUCKS THAT WE NEED 'EM TO DRIVE WAS THE CORRECTION WE DID EARLIER. UM, WHEN WE DID THE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ITEM IT WAS, WHERE IT WAS, WE, WE REPLACED IT. IT WAS 44 OR 4,500 AND WE REPLACED IT TO 500. OH THAT WAS, YEAH. SO IS THAT MONEY, IS THAT HERE? YEAH. SO THAT CAN GO RIGHT THERE. YES. I MADE THAT CHANGE TO REPAIR MAINTENANCE. SO THAT FOUR, THAT THAT 4,000 CAN GO TO THE TRAVEL TRAINING. MM-HMM . GOOD. OH IT SAYS WE HAVE 1700 IN THERE. MINE SAYS A THOUSAND. WE ONLY NEED 10,000 TOTAL. I MEAN $700 MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. BUT HEY , SOMEBODY COULD USE IT, RIGHT? DON'T BE A GIFT HORSE. YEAH. 10,000 TOTAL IS WHAT WE NEEDED FOR THAT . NO DISCOUNTING. $700 8,300 IT IS SUZY. YES I AM. SORRY. NOTHING THINGS AT 9,000 8,300. YEAH. 'CAUSE I HAD LISTED IN MIND THAT I ONLY HAD A THOUSAND THIS YEAR WITH THERE YOU HAVE $17. HE ONLY NEEDS AROUND 10. ALL I NEED. YEAH. 10,000. JUST NEED TEN SEVEN. ALRIGHT, MAKE SURE YOU PUT THAT IN THE FAX. GO COUNSEL. CUT $700 . MAKE A DIFFERENCE. TRAVEL AND TRADING. I HOPE THAT'S THE HEADLINES. SLOW ROLL THE HEADLINE . IT JUST MEANS $700 MEANS THAT MUCH. YES. EVERY PLACE WE CAN FIND DOES ADD UP. I THINK HE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT CONTRACT LABOR. I'LL WAIT UNTIL HE COMES. UH, ANNA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON CONTRACT LABOR OR UH, WE UPPED IT. WE GOT, WE GOT IT UP TO 10. SO TRAVEL AND TRAINING HAS 10,000 NOW. YEAH, I WAS CURIOUS 'CAUSE IT SAYS THIS IS CONTRACT LABOR OF A DITCH CUTTING CONTRACTOR. YES. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER OPTION THAT WE HAD BROUGHT. UM, I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE PREVIOUSLY AND AT A COUNCIL MEETING, THIS WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE BROUGHT UP. SO I JUST INCLUDED IT IN THERE AS AN OPTION TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP GET US BACK ON TRACK OR HELP GET CAUGHT UP. OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TRY TO COMPENSATE WITH ANNUALLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THE COST OF IT, THE QUOTES THAT WE HAD GOTTEN WAS APPROXIMATELY $4 AND 25 CENTS PER LINEAR FOOT AND $250 PER CULVERT CLEAN OUT. I THREW A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THERE JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, PLACEHOLDER OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. BUT YOU KNOW, JUST TO SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WANTED TO TRY TO THROW IN THE MIX AT SOME POINT, WHETHER IT WAS THIS YEAR, NEXT PHYSICAL YEAR, JUST TRYING TO AS A COMPENSATION TO HELP US TRY TO STAY ON TRACK WITH THIS. SO AGAIN, AT THE RATE WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL, IT'S STILL GONNA TAKE US A LONG TIME TO GET TO EVERYBODY, BUT I GUESS MY THOUGHTS ARE IN OUR, IN WATER IN THE BATHROOM, MY HANDS. BUT, UM, IN, UH, IN OUR CONSTANT PURSUIT FOR, YOU KNOW, CITY MAINTENANCE EXCELLENCE, I WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WOULD BE BETTER SUITED U UTILIZED WITHIN OUR OWN DEPARTMENT. CORRECT? YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT FUNDED. YEAH, IT'S NOT FUNDED. IT'S JUST THAT'D BE SOMETHING YOU'D BE ADDING. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I MEAN IN IN LIEU OF THAT, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BE, YOU WOULD PUT BE PUSHING MORE SO FOR, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. CORRECT. YEAH. I I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE, OUR R AND M INCREASE OVER THIS. OF COURSE. YEAH. OF IN THAT UH, THREE 15 ACCOUNT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT INCREASE COME BEFORE THIS. OF COURSE. BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST, I INCLUDE A LOT OF THESE THINGS FOR DISCUSSION POINTS, BUT ALSO JUST THEIR OPTIONS. RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO SEE US, I MEAN BEFORE I COMMIT TO MORE ON THIS DITCH CUTTING PROGRAM, I, I STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING THE INFORMATION I NEED. [04:45:01] I MEAN HOW MANY LINEAR FEET ARE GETTING CUT? HOW MANY LAST YEAR GOT CUT? I MEAN ARE WE SHOWING MORE? HOW MUCH MORE IS IT? I MEAN THE WHOLE PLAN AROUND THE DITCH CUTTING WOULD BE NICE. I'M JUST, YES. SOMETHING I STILL THINK IS A BLACK HOLE. IT'S JUST WE KNOW SOMEBODY'S DOING IT AND THEY'RE DOING IT. THAT'S IT. SO I, I HAVE IT NOW ON OUR REPORTS NOW AND IT'S LIKE A RUNNING SPREADSHEET ON OUR REPORTS AND FROM WHEN WE STARTED KEEPING TRACK OF LINEAR FOOT, WHICH WAS TOWARDS THE END OF 2025, I HAVE STARTING THAT POINT AND IT'S JUST A RUNNING TOTAL. AND SO I HAVE THAT ON THERE NOW. SO Y'ALL CAN SEE LIKE WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. NOW ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS DITCH CUTTING THAT WE'RE STARTING TO RUN INTO A LOT IS UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT OUR GRADES, RIGHT? WE SHOOT OUR GRADES AND OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, RIGHT? YOU GOT YOUR HIGH POINT, YOU GOT YOUR LOW POINT, YOU SHOOT, YOU CUT A SLOPE IN BETWEEN. PRETTY SIMPLE, RIGHT? PRETTY SIMPLE CONCEPT. BUT WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO NOW TOO IS A LOT OF THESE CULVERTS ARE EITHER BROKE, SITTING TOO LOW, SITTING TOO HIGH. SO NOW WE HAVE TO GO IN AND TEAR SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY OUT. EITHER RESET CULVERTS IN A LOT OF CASES CULVERTS FALL APART 'CAUSE THEY'RE SO OLD, THEY'VE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR SO LONG. NOW WE GOTTA PURCHASE NEW CULVERTS, RESET 'EM AND BUY MATERIAL TO PUT BACK ON TOP, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS NOW. SO IT'S GETTING PRETTY COSTLY TO DO THIS DITCH CUTTING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO RUN INTO. SO THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING IN THE MIX. AND IT ALSO TAKES, HELPS TAKE US, MAKES, MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR US. IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST PULLING DIRT IN BETWEEN THESE CULVERTS, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'S, I THINK, I THINK IF THE DITCHES, I THINK IF THE CULVERT'S A LITTLE LOW, THAT'S NOT AS BIG OF A PROBLEM AS THE CULVERT BEING HIGH. EXACTLY, YES. SO YOU KIND OF GOTTA PICK AND CHOOSE YOUR BATTLES THERE. CORRECT. AND WE'RE NOT GOING OUT PULLING EVERYONE OFF 'CAUSE THEY'RE OFF EDGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BUT LIKE ON FAIRGROUND DRIVE FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WE GOT OVER THERE AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BAD. YEAH. GOING ON. I MEAN THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT, I MEAN YOU JUST HAVE TO, I THINK WE ENDED UP HAVING TO BUY 18 NEW CULVERTS JUST JUST TO, JUST TO COMPLETE THAT DITCH CUTTING PROJECT AND WE GOT 'EM THERE, THEY'RE DELIVERED AND WE'RE GONNA GET START STARTED ON INSTALLING THOSE NEW ONES. WE'VE ALREADY CUT A LOT OF THE DITCHES THERE, BUT WITHOUT REPLACING THOSE CULVERTS, YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF HOLDUPS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA FLOW OUT AS EFFICIENTLY AS IT COULD. AND THAT WAS AN OLD COUNTY ROAD TOO THAT WE ACQUIRED. I FOUND OUT, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS AN OLD COUNTY ROAD THAT WE ACQUIRED. SO LIKE WE HAD 24 INCH CULVERT, 18 INCH CULVERT, 12 INCH CULVERT, 24 INCH CULVERT. I MEAN IT WAS ALL JUST, THEY JUST INSTALLED WHATEVER THEY WANTED I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. DID YOU STANDARDIZE GOING BACK? YES. WHAT DID YOU DO? WE DID EIGHTEENS ALL THE WAY BECAUSE WE HAVE AT OUR, AT OUR END ZONE WE HAD A AN 18 SO THERE'S REALLY NO POINT IN GOING ANY BIGGER THAN THAT. RIGHT? YEAH. BUT YEAH, IT WAS JUST PRETTY CRAZY HOW THEY JUST HAD ALL THESE DIFFERENT SIZES GO ALL FLOWING DOWNSTREAM. UH, OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT ON THE CONTRACT LABOR, UH, EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION, WE REMOVED THAT. UM, THIS IS, WE HAD AN EMPLOYEE, UH, OF THE MONTH THING GOING FOR US THAT WE HAD, THAT WE REMOVED WHEN WE, WHEN WE MADE THIS UH, CUT. SO THAT'S JUST TRYING TO GET THAT BACK FOR THE EMPLOYEES. PLEASE ADD THAT BACK. OKAY. YEAH, I WANT, I WANT ALL THE EMPLOYEE, IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS ON ALL THE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION STUFF. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. ALRIGHT. WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW THEY WILL AS WELL. UM, AND HOW, HOW ARE YOU DOING THAT? YOU'RE DOING THAT MONTHLY? YES. UH, SHOULDN'T THAT BE MAYBE $1,200? UH, IT COULD STAND TO BE INCREASED. YES. DON, I'M FINE WITH THAT. I MEAN A THOUSAND DOESN'T DIVIDE THE PROFIT CUT 700, WE ADDED 1200. SO ADDED 200 NEGATIVE TO FIVE PROBABLY 200, RIGHT? NO, HE WANTED 10. HE MADE IT 10 AND EVEN, OKAY, SO WE CUT $700 AN NOW WE'RE ADDING A THOUSANDS. THAT'S MINUS THREE, MINUS 200 FOR THE ADDITIONAL 1200 IS WHAT SUSIE, THEY ASKED FOR 1200. YEAH. 12. 1200. IT DIVIDES BETTER. YES. OKAY. I MEAN YOU COULD TAKE IT OUT. NEVERMIND THE SAFETY LINE IS 30,000, MAKES 29,000. NOBODY WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. UM, DON'T THINK I DON'T DO THIS FOR A LIVING. SO, UM, ALRIGHT. HOW HARD DO YOU WANT TO BE AND THEN UH, CONTINGENCY. UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S JUST TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE FOR ANY EMERGENCY REPAIRS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ANYTHING THAT POPS UP ON US IN THIS DEPARTMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, WE'VE HAD A, LIKE ONE OF THE MORE RECENT ONES, LIKE A, LIKE WE LOOK AT LIKE A MOLINA OR MIMOSA DRAINAGE SITUATION, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF FUNDING WE CAN PULL FROM JUST TO GO IN THERE AND TAKE CARE OF IT VERSUS I THINK WE TOOK IT OUT OF THE UH, THAT STREET [04:50:01] FUNDING THAT WE HAD JUST STARTED. RIGHT. BUT THIS WILL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO PULL FROM WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S THAT FOR AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M REAL BIG ON AND LIKE THE UTILITIES AND THE UTILITY SIDE AS WELL IS JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING SET ASIDE FOR THESE EMERGENCIES. 'CAUSE ANYTIME WE TRY TO PLAN SOMETHING, IT'S LIKE IT PLAN ALL DAY LONG, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE A SEWER LINE THAT COLLAPSES OR SOMETHING ELSE. SO WE DON'T GET THAT PROJECT DONE. WE HAVE TO JUMP IN AND DO THIS. AND NOT TO MENTION THAT IT COSTS SO MUCH MORE BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING SOMEONE TO COME IN TODAY AND FIX IT. WELL RIGHT NOW THE COUNCIL HAS A CONTINGENCY OF 143,000 IN HERE. NOPE, TOTAL. OH, OKAY. 43,000 FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE MINDSET IS AWESOME. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE FOR IS IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS. YEP, TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN OVERLAYS, I, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS, 'CAUSE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE IN OUR ASKING OUR PREVIOUS BUDGET. I GUESS I COPY AND PASTED THIS OVER AS WELL, BUT I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO UM, 'CAUSE I WAS, I KNEW THAT WE HAD DOUBLE COMING THIS YEAR. RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE WE SKIPPED THAT PREVIOUS PHYSICAL YEAR AND THEN WE HAD THIS YEAR. SO I'M THINKING WELL WE NEED DOUBLE THE FUNDING. RIGHT. AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN ASK FOR THE PHYSICAL YEAR WE'RE CURRENTLY IN, NOT THIS NEXT ONE COMING UP. 'CAUSE THIS NEXT PHYSICAL YEAR WE SHOULD BE BACK ON TRACK WITH OUR TWO MILES A YEAR, OUR ONE MILE IF WE'RE RECONSTRUCTING. UM, SO KIND OF DISREGARD THAT ONE. UM, I DON'T SEE IT BY THE WAY, YOU DON'T SEE THE OVERLAYS IN THERE. OH, I SEE IT. YEAH. WE'RE GOING FROM 168,000 THIS YEAR TO, TO 313 NEXT YEAR. DOUBLING, ALMOST DOUBLING THE AMOUNT. YES. THERE WAS ALWAYS 300,000 IN THERE. LIKE IN PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS THERE WAS ALWAYS 300,000 THAT WAS IN THERE. AND SO LIKE MY, LIKE MY REQUEST WAS TO MAKE IT LIKE I, WHAT I HAVE LISTED OUT ANYWAY IN THIS BOOK THAT I HAVE WAS, UH, 300 OR TO MAKE IT ADD 300,000, MAKE IT 600,000. 'CAUSE AGAIN, I WAS THINKING FOR THIS CURRENT PHYSICAL YEAR'S WORTH OF OVERLAYS, RIGHT? SO I'M THINKING DOUBLE THE COST. SO THAT'S WHY I HAD IT THAT WAY. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS FOR A NEXT YEAR BUDGET. SO WE'RE NOT, THAT DOESN'T, UH, FACTOR IN HERE. UM, BECAUSE HOW MUCH ARE THEY GONNA DO THIS YEAR? THEY'RE DOING, THEY SAID THEY'RE DOING ALL OF IT IN AUGUST IS WHAT THEY TELL ME. I I'VE CALLED AND EMAILED THEIR DEPARTMENT AND THEY SENT ME AN EMAIL BACK SAYING THEY'RE GONNA DO IT ALL IN AUGUST. THE WHAT WE HAD FROM THE PREVIOUS PHYSICAL YEAR AND WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR THIS PHYSICAL YEAR. SO THEY'RE DOING DOUBLE THEN I NEED TO INCREASE THAT LINE ITEM. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME THEY'RE DOING DOUBLE. JUST LIKE WHEN MATT HANKS ACTUALLY CAME THAT DAY AND WE MENTIONED IT TO HIM THAT, WELL, WE'RE STILL PLANNING ON DOING LAST YEAR'S AND THIS YEAR'S ALL AT ONE TIME. WE JUST WANTED TO PUSH HIM. RIGHT. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO PUSH HIM INTO THIS PHYSICAL YEAR. SO IT DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE LAST PHYSICAL YEAR. LAST TIME I ASKED THIS QUESTION, I WAS TOLD WE WERE ONLY GETTING HENDERSON AND, UH, WESTERN AVENUE DONE. ARE WE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA DO HENDERSON, WESTERN AVENUE AND THE PIECE OF OUR COLOR THAT WE ASKED FOR? NO. SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHAT WE REQUESTED FOR THIS CURRENT PHYSICAL YEAR. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO THOSE, THOSE TWO STREETS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA ADD OUR COLA TO THAT. THEY'RE JUST DOING THE WESTERN AVENUE AND THE HENDERSON. THAT'S FOR THIS CURRENT PHYSICAL YEAR. RIGHT. BUT IN THE PREVIOUS PHYSICAL YEAR BEFORE WE MADE THOSE BUDGET CUTS, RIGHT. WE MADE THE DRASTIC BUDGET CUTS. BUT BEFORE THAT, WE HAD ALREADY WENT AND APPROVED WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE, ALREADY DID OUR INTERLOCAL. WE PICKED THE STREETS, WHICH I THINK WE HAD LIKE ARCOLA, PA ANDERSON, CORRECT. LOCUS, ALL THOSE. THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL THOSE RIGHT. WITH THIS YEAR. YES. SO THEY'RE PICKING UP, THEY'RE PICKING UP THE STUFF FROM LAST YEAR. CORRECT. AND WE NEED TO HAVE, AND HOW MUCH IS THAT? YEAH. UH, I JUST KNOW WE DO $300,000 A YEAR. SO I DON'T HAVE COSTS UNTIL THEY COME IN AND MEASURE THE STREETS. THEY GIMME LIKE A PAPER ESTIMATE. THEY'VE DONE ALL THE CALCULATIONS ON. THEY DON'T GIMME THAT UNTIL THEY START. SO BECAUSE THE 144 THAT I HAVE IN THERE IS THE ADDITIONAL 3% FROM THE SALES TAX THAT I'M PUTTING INTO THE STREET FUND. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OVERLAYS. OH, OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO SAY, BECAUSE IF THIS OVERLAYS SHOULD BE WHAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO CHARGE US FOR THEIR OVERLAYS, THEN THAT HAS TO HAVE 300,000 IN THERE. AND THEN THIS 144 IS THE 3% FROM THE SALES TAX THAT'S GOING TO THE STREET FUND. IT'LL BE A YEAR END BUDGET AMENDMENT. I'M SORRY, JOHN. IT'LL BE A YEAR END BUDGET AMENDMENT. OKAY. THAT'S WHY WOULD SUSPECT OKAY. THAT, THAT'S, I NEED TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO LINES THEN, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'LL BE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND BE DONE. AND SO INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THAT, THAT WOULD BE A LINE ITEM FOR OVERLAYS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN A LINE ITEM TO TRANSFER TO STREET FUND. SO IT SHOULD BE TWO TWO LINE ITEMS. YES. OKAY. DO YOU WANT [04:55:01] ME TO DO THAT CHANGE IN THIS BUDGET YEAR? YES. IT'S GONNA BE IN THIS BUDGET YEAR. 'CAUSE THAT'S, THE WORK IS GONNA BE DONE IN AUGUST. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME. SO I WOULD SUSPECT IT'S WILL BE AUGUST, IT'LL BE A YEAR IN BUDGET AMENDMENT. NO, BUT DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE CHANGE TO BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR? NO. OKAY. OKAY. UM, EQUIPMENT, CAPITAL EQUIPMENT, UM, $888,000. THAT'S FOR THE PURCHASE. AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST THINGS LISTED OUT THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED FUTURE YEARS AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, THAT, UH, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS WHEN I BROUGHT OUR LIST OF BIG LIST OF EQUIPMENT AND KIND OF WHAT WE WANTED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UM, AND ALSO SOME OTHER REQUESTS THAT HAD BEEN MADE BEFORE, LIKE THAT GRAPPLE TRUCK, FOR INSTANCE. I INCLUDED ALL THE COST OF THESE AND AS A TOTAL LINE ITEM HERE, JUST AS, AGAIN, AS A, AS A TALKING POINT, FOCAL POINT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. UM, BUT YEAH, JUST HAD TO LIST THAT. AND THE, THE COST OF EACH ONE WAS LISTED OUT IN THE DESCRIPTION. GRAPPLE TRUCK, BRUSH TRUCK, DUMP TRUCK, AND NEW GRAD ALL OR A WHEELED EXCAVATOR. WHAT'S KEEPING YOU FROM, WHAT IS KEEPING YOUR EMPLOYEES FROM DOING THEIR JOBS ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT THEY NEED OUT OF THIS LIST? AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GRAPPLE TRUCK AND STUFF THAT WE DISCUSSED, RIGHT? YOU, YOU DID GET A NEW GRADE. ALL, YOU DID GET THE, THE LOADER WITH THE GRAPPLE. YOU DID GET A NEW DUMP TRUCK. CORRECT. SO THAT WILL CAN KIND OF SERVICE THAT NEED A LITTLE BIT. YES, YES. UM, SO I'D SAY THE MOST, ONE OF THE MOST THINGS THAT ARE WHAT'S CAUSING US THE MOST ISSUES IS THAT IN THE STREETS AND DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE QUITE A FEW FUNCTIONS THAT WE GOTTA DO AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO IT IN A DAY. RIGHT. SO WE'RE JUST ALWAYS HAVING TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT EARLIER. INSTEAD OF HIRING A, A FOREMAN, HAVING MORE LINE WORKERS THAT CAN GET THE JOB DONE. YES. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR SURE, IS NOT HAVING ENOUGH HANDS TO SAY, WELL, CAN Y'ALL TWO GO DO THIS? WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, YOU RUN OUT OF PEOPLE TO SEND. RIGHT. BUT, BUT WHAT THE DISCUSSION RELATED TO THAT WAS BUMPING SOMEBODY UP IN THAT POSITION AND THEN HIRING SOMEBODY IN KIND OF CORRECT MOVE, MOVING EVERYBODY UP. BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR ARGUMENT, I BELIEVE FOR THAT WAS, THAT WAS LOOKING AT THE DELTA BETWEEN SOMEBODY HERE AND THEN THAT, SO EVERYBODY JUST KIND OF SHIFTS UP AND YOU GET A NEW EMPLOYEE ON THE BOTTOM. RIGHT. WELL THEN IN THAT CASE, YOU WOULD BASICALLY TAKE THE FULL VALUE, THE PREMIUM PLUS THE FORMER POSITION. YEAH. UM, AND I THINK THE, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE PEOPLE TO DO THE JOB THAT, I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE HAVING FOREMAN AND SUPERVISORS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO START A DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN'T GO TOP HEAVY TOO MUCH. YOU HAVE TO GET PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOWN IN THE LITERAL DITCH DOING THE WORK. YEAH. BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY OUR, OUR BIGGEST FLAW THERE IS JUST NOT HAVING ENOUGH HANDS TO HANDLE EVERYTHING IN ONE DAY. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE, WE DID IT RIGHT. WE GOT THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEEDED, CORRECT. NO, WE JUST NEED TO STAFF IT AND YEAH. AND WE'VE GOT THE TRAINING GOING. YEAH. NOW THE NEXT STEP IS, YEAH, THAT, AND AGAIN, LIKE SOME OF THE CHANGES IN POSITIONS LIKE THAT EQUIPMENT OPERATOR, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE ONLY TECHNICALLY, LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AT, YOU KNOW, FROM AN OVERVIEW, YOU'RE ONLY PAYING ONE PERSON TO OPERATE THAT GRADE OFF. WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE EQUIPMENT OPERATOR POSITION. THE REST ARE ALL MAINTENANCE TECHS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT TOO IS NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY ADDING A NEW HEAD FOR THAT, BUT MORE OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOMEBODY IN THAT POSITION AND COMPENSATING THEM PROPERLY FOR WHAT THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS. HOW MANY DUMP TRUCKS DO YOU HAVE? WE, UH, WELL WE ALMOST GOT OUR SECOND ONE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE NEXT WEEK. OUR SECOND ONE'S SUPPOSED TO BE DELIVERED NEXT WEEK. THE NEW ONE WE JUST PURCHASED. WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THE OLDER GRADE? ALL THE OLDER GRADE, ALL IT'S FUNCTIONAL RIGHT NOW. WE JUST HAD TO REPAIR A HYDRAULIC LEAK ON IT. I THINK IT WAS THAT MAIN HOUSING WHERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE HOSES ENTER THAT HOUSING AND DISTRIBUTE ALL THE HYDRAULICS THAT IT WAS, IT WAS, THAT WAS LEAKING. WE JUST REPLACED THAT. I DO KNOW THAT WE HAD BEEN ON THE HUNT FOR THE LONG AND IT'S LEAKING COOLING OUTTA THE RESERVOIR. AND WE WERE ON THE HUNT FOR MONTHS TRYING TO FIND ONE. SOMEBODY FINALLY FOUND US ONE TO REPLACE THAT COOLANT RESERVOIR. ONCE WE DO THAT, IT'S OPERATIONAL, YOU KNOW, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET IT OVERHAULED. LIKE I TALKED, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, FOR THAT 50,000. BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S AT THAT AGE, AND TO BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, NOT PROPER MAINTENANCE WAS DONE ON IT. SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE KIND OF COMING DUE ON IT. AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE TRY TO PUT IT IN OPERATIONAL FULLY, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GONNA DISAPPOINT OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT WHEN IT STARTS GOING DOWN, GOING DOWN, GOING DOWN, AND WE'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT IT. SO, BUT [05:00:01] THAT'S JUST WHAT I SEE IN THAT GRADE. ALL JUST OFF, BASED OFF THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD WITH IT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. WE'RE ALWAYS REPLACING A HOSE OR REPLACING A FITTING OR STARTER. WENT OUT ON IT ONE TIME. UH, WHAT ELSE HAS GONE OUT? IT DOESN'T HAVE A, DOESN'T HAVE WORKING AC EITHER RIGHT NOW THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED ON IT. SOMETHING WE PUT WITH THE, WHAT'S THE DELIVERY TIME ON A NEW EXCAVATOR? NEW EXCAVATOR? UM, I THINK I WANNA SAY THAT LIKE A KUBOTA AND, AND CAT MUSTANG HERE. UM, OR NOT HERE, BUT THE, BECAUSE THIS ONE TOMORROW SAYS RENTALS, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN GET ONE PRETTY WITHIN THE WEEK. YOU COULD HAVE ONE IF YOU PURCHASED IT. SO. AND WHAT THE ONE, I KNOW THE ONE WE WERE TRYING TO REPLACE, I BELIEVE, UM, WAS IN OUR WATER, WATER DEPARTMENT. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT ONE HAS NOW HIT, UH, 10 YEARS OLD, I THINK, OR 12 YEARS OLD. YEAH. SO IT'S STARTING TO, WE'RE FINALLY STARTING TO SEE SOME OTHER BIGGER COMPONENTS GO OUT ON IT. LIKE, IT WENT OUT ON US TWO WEEKS AGO. UH, SPENT A WEEK IN THE SHOP. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. UM, SOMETHING THE MAIN, THE HYDRAULICS, LIKE LEAKING OFF OF THAT. THE PUMP WASN'T BAD, BUT EVERYTHING COMING OFF THAT MAIN HOUSING COMING OFF OF THAT HYDRAULIC PUMP WAS BAD. THEY HAD TO REPLACE THAT WHOLE UNIT. THAT'S WHAT WENT BAD ON IT. OKAY. BUT, UH, THAT'S ALL FOR, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO TALK ABOUT ON THE STREETS DEPARTMENT, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. WE BEAT THAT ONE TO DEATH. YEAH. IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE. I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA BE THE HARDEST ONE. YEP. ALL I KNOW IS WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, PROBABLY MORE THAN I'VE SEEN EVER SITTING ON COUNCIL. AND SO THE WORK HAS TO GET DONE. YES. LIKE I SAID, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST COUPLE EXTRA FOLKS ON THERE. I THINK OVER TIME, IF WE CAN ADD A FEW MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH ONE THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND ANOTHER ONE NEXT YEAR, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, YOU KNOW, BUT JUST ADDING THOSE PEOPLE, GETTING THOSE KEY POSITIONS KIND OF CREATED, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HELP US VOLUMES. AND HAVING LIKE THAT TWO DITCH CUTTING CREW, YOU KNOW, OR LIKE YOU SAID, JUST HAVING ONE THAT THAT'S ALL THEY DO, RIGHT. IT'S JUST ALL THE TIME THEY'RE NOT GETTING PULLED OFF ANYTHING. THAT'S THEIR FUNCTION. I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA HELP US GREATLY GET TO THAT POINT. MM-HMM . BUT LIKE YOU SAID, GREAT INVESTMENTS IN THE EQUIPMENT THAT THAT STEP ONE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE OTHER LITTLE STEPS AND, AND WE'LL BE GOOD TO GO. WHAT DO YOU NEED TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT ONE, ONE MORE EMPLOYEE AND IN THEORY, YES. YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I WOULD SAY LIKE, AGAIN, LIKE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE JOSH IS ALREADY KNOWS THE GRADE ALL, YOU KNOW, HE JUST NEEDS MORE TIME TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT. BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO OPERATE THE THING AND YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET THAT TIME TO GET COMFORTABLE IN IT BY GETTING IN, IN AND DOING IT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S CREATING THAT POSITION, THAT EQUIPMENT OPERATOR POSITION AND THEN HIRING SOMEONE IN HIS PLACE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE HE'S MAINTENANCE TECH CURRENTLY. IF YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE THAT FOREMAN POSITION, I THINK, I THINK YOUR, I THINK YOUR GOAL IS ON THAT. I THINK YOU'LL HAVE YOUR TWO CREWS AND YOU'LL HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO CAN GO TAKE CARE OF THE POTHOLE, PATCHING THE SIGNAGE, THE WHATEVER ELSE. I HEARD OUR PATCHES DOWN. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HAD TWO ISSUES WITH IT SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN IT. SO I'M PRETTY, PRETTY UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL TO ME WHAT'S APPEARS TO BE LIKE MANUFACTURER DEFECTS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, LIKE IT WAS, OH, ONE OF 'EM WAS A WELD THAT BROKE OFF OF A RESERVOIR. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. YOU KNOW? AS LONG AS THEY TOLD US, OH, IT'S BEING QCD HERE AND IT QCD IT GETS QCD WHEN IT'S HERE AND IT'S LIKE, WELL WHO QCD THIS THING, YOU KNOW, GOT STUFF FALLING APART ON IT. SO THERE A WARRANTY ON THIS. IT'S ALL WARRANTY WORK. I MEAN, IT'S ALL FREE, BUT I MEAN, GOT DOWNTIME, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE MAIN THING. YOU GOT A BRAND NEW UNIT AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DOWNTIME. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU'RE MAINTAINING IT PROPERLY. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE MUCH DOWNTIME ON A NEW UNIT IN THEORY. SO, BUT YES, I'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT. AND, UM, SO YES. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE IN THE GENERAL FUND SIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT? ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO UTILITIES. AS A SUSIE, YOU ALREADY GAVE AN OVERVIEW ON UTILITIES, RIGHT? ON LIKE YES. FUNDING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I CAN JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO WE'LL START OUT WITH, UH, OH 3 5 6 5, WHICH IS OUR, OUR WATER DEPARTMENT. THIS IS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, GUYS OUT THERE REPAIRING THE WATER LEAKS, INSTALLING NEW METERS, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS REPLACING A METER [05:05:01] LID, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR ACTUAL, UH, TREATMENT OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, OPERATING OUR WATER PLANTS AND DISTRIBUTING OUT THE WATER INTO THE SYSTEM. UM, IT ALSO FUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PORTIONS OF US, LIKE MYSELF, ANDY, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE COORDINATOR, HEIDI, YOU KNOW, IT FUNDS A PORTION OF ALL THOSE SINCE WE, YOU KNOW, END UP TOUCHING ALL DEPARTMENTS, WE GET A PORTION OF ALL OF THEM. UM, SO STARTING OFF AGAIN, SKILL-BASED PAID, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A NEED TO REALLY DIVE INTO THAT ANYMORE. BUT THAT'S THE TOTAL OF, UH, OF WHAT THAT INCREASE WOULD'VE BEEN. IF WE HAVE, UM, IF THAT WAS INITIATED, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WENT THROUGH EMPLOYEES AND WHAT THEY CURRENTLY SKILLS HAVE AND THE LEVELS AND WHAT THAT EQUATES TO ON AN HOURLY BASIS. INCREASE BURDEN THEN TO A SALARY INCREASE. THAT'S THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. CERTIFICATION. OKAY. UM, YES. SO, UH, ADDING THAT CDL DRIVER, THAT INCLUDES THAT AGAIN, THAT, UH, UH, STIPEND THAT I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE OF INCREASING THAT STIPEND FOR A CDL DRIVER FROM $600 TO, UH, THE WHAT EQUATES TO $2 AN HOUR INCREASE. THAT INCLUDES THAT. AND ALSO THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, MORE LICENSED EMPLOYEES THIS YEAR AS WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PUSH MORE PEOPLE TO GET LICENSED. UM, EVERYONE THAT SHOULD BE LICENSED, I'LL SAY THAT, UH, I'M MAKING AN EFFORT TO GET THEM LICENSED. UM, 'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF FOLKS IN HERE, IN SOME POSITIONS THAT WEREN'T LICENSED AS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR. UM, I ALSO HAVE A NEW WATER OPERATOR IN HERE AS A NEW PERSONNEL. UM, I'VE, I STARTED ASKING FOR THIS, UH, TWO YEARS AGO BASED ON PUTTING FREEDOM PARK ONLINE, WHICH WAS ANOTHER TREATMENT FACILITY. WE ALSO HAVE TO DO THESE ARSENIC TESTS THERE THAT ARE A NIGHTMARE. SO ADDING THAT, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, ALSO I KEEP PUSHING IT EVERY YEAR. UM, 'CAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE NEW WATER TOWER AND MORE AREA TO COVER IN THE NEXT COMING YEAR. SO DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE AT TOP OF THE LIST THIS YEAR, BUT JUST HAVE IT IN THERE TO CONSIDER FOR FUTURE THINGS. IT'LL BE ON THERE AGAIN NEXT YEAR. UH, NOW THIS NEXT POSITION, THIS, UH, THIS, UH, GIS TECHNICIAN AND RECEPTION IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HAVE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IN THIS DEPARTMENT. AS FAR AS A, OUR ONE, WELL ONE OF 'EM AT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR THIS, OUR, UH, UTILITIES. UM, SO WE GOT THE NEW BUILDING COMING AND WE HAVE THAT RECEPTION DESK UP FRONT. I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, HEIDI'S BECOME OUR OPERATIONS COORDINATOR AND SHE'S DOING, UM, ALL THESE BEHIND THE SCENES THINGS FOR US. AND I HATE TO PUT HER BACK UP THERE UP FRONT WHERE SHE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DISTRACTED BY. THAT TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT I HAVE HER CURRENTLY DOING NOW. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT THIS POSITION AS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WHAT RECEPTION WE HAVE IN PUBLIC WORKS ISN'T A FULL-TIME GIG, YOU KNOW, OF THEIR TIME. BUT ALSO LOOKED AT GETTING GIS BECAUSE, WELL, WE, A GIS TECHNICIAN IS PART OF IT AS WELL. UM, AND WHAT I LOOKED AT THIS AS IS OUR CURRENT GIS SYSTEM. WE GOT IT, WE GOT IT CREATED BY HDR PUT IN PLACE, BUT THERE'S NOT ANY ANNUAL UPDATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT'S DONE TO IT. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE REALLY ANYBODY IN HOUSE WHO CAN LIKE, FUNCTION ALL THESE THINGS OR TAKE CARE OF ALL THESE THINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PERSON BECOMING LIKE A GIS TECHNICIAN AS WELL. FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A NEW SUBDIVISION PUT ONLINE, THEY CAN INCLUDE THAT AND ADD THAT TO IT. UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOMEONE, I THINK WE HAD 'EM CREATE A, LIKE A, A CITY OWNED PROPERTY MAP RECENTLY. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO THOSE KIND OF FUNCTIONS FOR US. WE'RE NOT ALWAYS HAVING TO CONTRACT OUT WITH HDR NUMBER ONE, BUT ALSO IT'S SOMETHING IN-HOUSE THAT SOMEBODY CAN KEEP UP WITH, YOU KNOW, AND CITIES ARE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN OUR CITY CAN SEND THEIR REQUEST TO THEM AND THEY CAN UPLOAD OUR GIS SYSTEM. 'CAUSE FOR US IT'S VERY FLAWED. YOU KNOW, IN OUR DEPARTMENT WE RUN INTO IT ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A VALVE THERE, THERE'S NO VALVE THERE. THEY SAY THIS WATER LINE'S MADE OUT OF IN ALL MATERIAL. IT ENDS UP THAT IT'S BEEN REPLACED ALREADY. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THOSE THINGS JUST HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED. AND THE SYSTEM, IT JUST GOT CREATED AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE MUCH TO IT SINCE. SO, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A GIS SYSTEM IS HAVING, YOU KNOW, RELIABLE, CONSTANT UPDATED INFORMATION IN IT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S ONE OF THE TOP POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. UM, SO ALL THIS REMAINS THE SAME HERE IN THESE, UH, YEAH. SO, UH, THIS LAB SUPPLIES, UH, THIS IS REALLY JUST, UH, MORE OR LESS CREATING THIS LINE ITEM. UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE BEEN CURRENTLY TAKING THIS OUT OF THE, I THINK IT WAS OUR THREE 15, OUR R AND M ACCOUNT, WHICH IS, I PUT A NOTE IN HERE THAT THE FUNDING COULD BE ALLOCATED FROM THREE 15 IF NECESSARY. BUT THIS IS MORE OF JUST ESTABLISHING THAT. AND THAT'S A, OUR CURRENT COST OF THE AMOUNT OF LAB TESTS THAT WE HAVE TO PERFORM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR WATER DEPARTMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT COST IS. UH, LET'S SEE. EQUIPMENT SUPPLIES. I DON'T HAVE MY NOTE IN HERE FOR THAT ONE. EQUIPMENT SUPPLIES, I HAVE TO GO BACK IN MY NOTES AND [05:10:01] LOOK AT WHAT THAT EQUIPMENT SUPPLY ONE WAS, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. UH, SMALL EQUIPMENT. I KNOW THIS SMALL EQUIPMENT WAS FOR, UM, UH, I KNOW THEY WANTED ANOTHER DEMO SAW. AND WHAT ELSE DID THEY WANT? UH, I THINK ONE OF THOSE, A VALVE OPERATOR MACHINE TO OPERATE OUR VALVES WHEN WE TURN 'EM ON AND OFF TO HELP US OUT WITH ESPECIALLY SOME OF THOSE TIGHTER ONES AND SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES. I MEAN, THOSE 16 INCH VALVES YOU HAVE TO TURN 132 TIMES I BELIEVE. SO YEAH, NOT DEFINITELY A HELP FOR US. UM, AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, CHEMICAL SUPPLIES. THIS IS JUST A GENERAL INCREASE TO THE COST OF, OF CHEMICALS. WE DID HAVE A SLIGHT INCREASE, UH, WITH HAVING FREEDOM PARK ONLINE THIS YEAR. SO THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREASE IN CHEMICAL USAGE. BUT A LOT OF IT TOO IS FROM, UH, JUST THEIR INCREASE IN COST. WE'RE SEEING AN ANNUAL COST AND THAT INCREASE OR IN THAT, UH, LINE ITEM. UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE ON HERE? R AND M VEHICLES. SAME CONCEPT AS BEFORE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, WE CAME UP WITH A COST ON WHAT IT TAKES FOR OIL CHANGES, TIRES, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE ACTUAL NUMBER TO IT THAT NEEDS TO BE TO IT. SO THAT'S THAT 3000 INCREASE. UM, LET'S SEE, R AND M EQUIPMENT STAYED THE SAME. UM, HAD A 33 THOU HAD A $30,000 INCREASE ON METERS. AND THIS ONE WAS FOR NOT THE METERS OUT IN THE ACTUAL SYSTEM, BUT OUR METERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY AT OUR ACTUAL FACILITIES OR ACTUAL PLANTS. SO WE HAVE OUR DISTRIBUTION METERS THAT ARE GOING OUT. AND A LOT OF THESE ARE LIKE OLD, LIKE JUST PHYSICALLY RED METERS. AND WE'RE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET 'EM CHANGED DOWN TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCURACY OUT OF 'EM, BUT ALSO WHERE THEY'LL TIE INTO OUR SCADA SYSTEM SO WE CAN VISUALLY GET A ACCOUNT ON HOW MUCH WATER WE HAVE COMING OUT. SO THAT'S TO REPLACE, I BELIEVE IT WAS ALL OF THEM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. THAT'S WHAT THAT INCREASE IS FOR THE 30,000. WHEN WE GET THOSE TIED IN, WILL, WILL, UH, WILL THAT SYSTEM ALLOW US TO ACCURATELY PINPOINT WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE A DEFICIENCY IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE? TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, YES. DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD ALSO HELP US WITH THAT IS IF WE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY SELL THESE PORTABLE, UM, THESE LITTLE PORTABLE ITEMS THAT WE CAN PUT ON LIKE HYDRO CAPS, RIGHT? JUST PUT ON A HYDRO CAP, LEAVE IT ON, YOU KNOW, YOU TAG THE HYDRO OUTTA SERVICE, LEAVE THE HYDRO, YOU LEAVE IT THERE FOR A WEEK OR TWO AND YOU CAN HELP PINPOINT WITH THAT VERSUS WHAT YOU GOT GOING ON YOUR, OUTTA YOUR PLANT, RIGHT? AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE READING AT THOSE INDIVIDUAL REMOTE LOCATIONS, YOU CAN START PINPOINTING SOME THINGS. YES. BUT YEAH, VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION ON THIS KIND OF STUFF. UM, WELL MAINTENANCE. SO, YOU KNOW, TWO THINGS ON THIS. UH, THE INCREASES FOR $110,000, THAT IS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF PUTTING OUR WELLS OFFLINE, UH, MAKE, YOU KNOW, DOING A CAMERA SURVEY ON 'EM, MAKING SURE THAT THE CASING IS GOOD. UH, DOING WELL. DRAW DOWN TESTS, LOOKING AT THE SCREENS TO SEE IF ANY MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THESE WELLS. NOW THAT'S KIND OF A TWO PART THING, RIGHT? NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE WELLS THAT WE CURRENTLY USE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ONLINE THAT WE ACTUALLY USE. THAT MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO BE DONE ON 'EM ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, COMPLETED SOME, UH, SOME PRELIMINARY WORK ON SOME WELLS THAT HAVE BEEN OFFLINE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE PUT ONLINE. SO THAT HELPS WITH THAT AS WELL. AND JUST KIND OF REALLY CREATING THIS ROTATING, WELL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM TO KEEP OUR WELLS, YOU KNOW, CHUGGING ALONG. AND WE GOT COST FOR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE CAMERA SURVEYS, UH, CHECKING OUT THE SCREENS, DOING UH, CHEMICAL CLEANINGS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. TANK MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS. UM, THIS WAS THE ONE THAT, UH, IF WE REMEMBER WE APPROVE THESE TECH MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS TO WHICH WE ACTUALLY, WHAT JUST GOT NORTHSIDE TOWER TAKEN CARE OF. AND THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF JAMESON, UH, PLANT. NEXT. THIS IS JUST THE, THE COST OF OUR ANNUAL PAYMENT THIS COMING PHYSICAL YEAR. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. UM, UH, AND AGAIN, UH, SAFETY. ADDING ANOTHER SAFETY LINE ITEM TO THIS ONE. SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT AND IT'S IN ALL OUR BUDGETS FOR ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. AND THIS HYDRANT MAINTENANCE, THIS BIG INCREASE OF, UH, WHAT I PUT ON HERE IS 110,000 TO MAKE IT 140,000. UM, THIS IS GONNA GET US FOR, TO HELP US CATCH UP WAS I THINK WE HAD 19 LEFT TO REPLACE, RIGHT? I BELIEVE. UH, YES. 19 TO REPLACE THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE. AND ALSO START WORKING ON SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WHEN I HAD BROUGHT THAT AGENDA ITEM HERE. THAT WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY NEED A HYDRANT THERE, RIGHT? BUT WE CAN'T EXACTLY PUT ONE THERE 'CAUSE IT'S A TWO INCH LINE OR IT DOESN'T LOOP AROUND PROPERLY OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS. AND THAT ALSO A LOT US SOME, UH, FUNDING TO START TAKING CARE OF THOSE DEFICIENT AREAS. THAT'S WHAT THAT INCREASES FOR. UH, SO THIS IS A SOFTWARE LINE ITEM. UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, JUST DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE, UH, TO NOT ONLY PAY FOR THE CURRENT STUFF WE HAVE, BUT [05:15:01] ALSO THERE WAS A, AN AUTOMATIC CALL OUT SYSTEM FOR US, UM, TO KIND OF TAKE SOME SLACK OFF OF THE PD, UH, SOFTWARE ALSO TO HELP WITH OUR LEAD AND COPPER TESTING AND ALSO JUST OUR LEAD AND COPPER REVISIONS. ONCE WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THAT, UM, AND START GETTING INTO THESE ACTUAL LEAD LINE REPLACEMENTS, THIS COMING PHYSICAL OR THIS NEXT COMING FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO KEEP UP WITH THESE THINGS. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, OFFER, UM, LIKE FILTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO CERTAIN RESIDENTS THAT WANT THEM, OR CERTAIN RESIDENTS THAT WANT THEM. THESE CERTAIN THINGS, WHICH I WILL DISCUSS THIS IN A, IN A NEAR TO FUTURE, UH, PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER I BELIEVE OF JUST AN UPDATE ON OUR, ON OUR LEAD AND COPPER, UH, RULE REVISIONS. UH, WHICH IS INCLUDE ALL THOSE LINE REPLACEMENTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE AND WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE. BUT THAT SOFTWARE HAS TO DO WITH HELPING US WITH THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT TO MANAGE. UH, LET'S SEE, REGULATORY FEES. UM, THIS IS JUST AN, UM, ADDITIONAL TESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, TCEQ IS PASSED DOWN ONTO US. SO THEIR STATE LABS SEND US THIS INCREASE THAT THERE, IT'S AN INCREASE IN FREQUENCY AND ALSO THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE DOING. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT COST IS. SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE NON-NEGOTIABLE THINGS. I MEAN, THEY SEND OUT THE TESTERS ON QUARTERLY TO COME TAKE THE TEST. WE DON'T EVEN COLLECT THE, COLLECT THE ACTUAL SAMPLE AND SEND IN OR NOTHING. THEY COME DOWN, TAKE IT, TAKE IT. SO WE JUST HAVE TO PAY 'EM FOR IT. THAT'S FOR A TCQ. UH, LABORATORY FEES. UM, THIS ONE IS FOR OUR OWN, LIKE HERE AT THE WATER LAB, UH, HERE IN TOWN. THEY'VE GONE UP ON THEIR COST. UM, SO THAT'S DIRECTLY HERE REFLECTED HERE OF OUR BACTERIOLOGICAL TESTING, UM, TRAVEL AND TRAINING. THAT'S, UH, TWO MORE EMPLOYEES TO, UH, TO ATTEND OUR TCEQ WATER CONFERENCE. UM, IT'S A FREE CONFERENCE THAT TCEQ PUTS ON. AND I JUST WANNA TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MORE OF OUR WATER OPERATORS TO GO JUST BECAUSE OF HOW, UM, INFORMATIONAL IT IS FOR US. THEY GO OVER A LOT OF NEW REGULATIONS AND ALSO NEW THINGS OR NEW THINGS THAT HAVE COME DOWN PIPELINE. THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS IN KIND OF LIKE AN OPEN FORUM. AND THEY ALSO HAVE LIKE, UH, OPEN SIT DOWN MEETINGS. YOU CAN HAVE, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER OR WASTEWATER, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. WHERE IS THIS? IT'S, IT'S IN AUSTIN. EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE SAME SPOT FOR A WEEK OR WHAT? UH, IT'S FOR THREE DAYS I BELIEVE. YEAH, BUT THE CONFERENCE IS FREE BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY TO, TO STAY THERE AND ALL THAT. $1,500. MM-HMM . THAT'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. PER PERSON IS STAY IN PLACE FOR THREE DAYS. IT WAS LIKE 700 BUCKS I THINK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ADD TWO MORE PEOPLE AT THAT HOTEL. THEY HAVE IT IN A HOTEL AND IT'S IN THAT CONFERENCE AREA. UM, CONTRACT LABOR. SO I HAD THAT. WE HAD 60,000 ALLOTTED FOR THIS YEAR. UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE THAT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UM, BY 50,000 WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE VALVES IN THE CITY TESTED BECAUSE AS YOU GUYS KNOW, AS Y'ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEEN OUT THERE AND SEEN US IN SOME OF THESE LATE NIGHT LEAKS AND WE CAN'T GET THE WATER ALL THE WAY OFF, WE HAVE TO SHUT OFF BIG AREAS TO TRY TO GET IT DONE. AND I MEAN THIS IS GONNA LET US KNOW WHERE OUR, ALL OUR DEFICIENCIES ARE WITH OUR VALVES. THEY'RE GONNA COME IN, TEST THEM, OPEN 'EM AND CLOSE 'EM, EXERCISE 'EM FOR US TO LET US KNOW WHICH ONES ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE ISSUES. MAYBE DON'T SELL OFF ALL THE WAY, MAYBE THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE BROKEN OR MAYBE THEY WERE OFF ALREADY, WE DIDN'T KNOW AND IT'S CAUSING US, YOU KNOW, PRESSURE ISSUES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS. BUT SAME THING WITH OUR UH, HYDRANT TESTING. IT'S KIND OF THE SAME CONCEPT, JUST GETTING ALL THOSE DONE AROUND TOWN AND THAT'S WHAT THAT INCREASE IN CONTRACT LABOR FOR IS JUST TRYING TO GET 'EM ALL DONE AT ONCE. OKAY. UM, AND CONTINGENCY INCREASE TO A CONTINGENCY. UM, I HAD A, THERE WAS SOME IN THERE ALREADY AND THEN I PROPOSED TO INCREASE IT TO $125,000 IS WHAT I HAD LISTED HERE. AND UH, THAT'S JUST FOR UM, ANY ISSUES THAT YOU KNOW, MAY ARISE. WE HAVE EMERGENCIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, WHICH AS WE KNOW HAPPENS, UH, LET'S SEE. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO THIS IS UH, WHAT WE ACTUALLY USE TO DO ALL OUR, UM, GENERATOR INSPECTIONS AND PMS AND OIL CHANGES AND ALL THOSE ANNUAL, ANNUAL AND QUARTERLY MAINTENANCES OUT OF. I PROPOSED TO INCREASE ABOUT THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO GENERATORS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED AT LIFT STATION SEVEN, LIFT STATION 27. THOSE ARE OUR MASTER MAJOR LIFT STATIONS THAT PUMP DIRECTLY TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT. AND BOTH OF THOSE GENERATORS ARE IN VERY POOR CONDITION. SO THAT'S WHY THAT COST IS THERE FOR THAT. UM, JUST TO REFLECT THOSE NEEDS OF REPLACEMENTS. HOLD ON REAL QUICK. OKAY. LINE, UH, 68 UPGRADE EXISTING LINES. YOU SAY 500,000 AND IT'S YELLOW. [05:20:03] I'VE GOT 150,000. THAT'S ALL I DID. THE REQUEST WAS 500. I ONLY GAVE IT 150. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S WHY THE ONLY ONE FIFTY'S THERE, BUT THE PRELIMINARY. OKAY. PRELIMINARY BUDGET SAYS 150,000. OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I THINK IT'S IN YELLOW BECAUSE YEAH. 'CAUSE THIS YEAR IT WAS ZERO. SO YES. THAT'S ONCE AGAIN ANOTHER INVESTMENT WE'RE MAKING. WE'RE FIXING SOME OF THESE LINES. WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED ON FIXING WATER LINES. YES. THAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN. YES. THEN WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIX 10 AND SIX 15? THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE? WE'VE GOT 207,000 IN THERE. IT'S NOT A THERE. OH, OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY I HAVE ONE 15 LISTED HERE AND I AM NOT SURE THAT I HAVEN'T WHICH LINE ITEM? SIX 15 INFRASTRUCTURE CE. THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS 2 0 7 500 AND NEXT YEAR IS 2 0 7 500. BUT WE'VE ONLY SPENT 5,000 YEAR TO DATE. YEAH. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER BUDGETING FOR EVEN THAT ONE. THE PREVIOUS PHYSICAL YEAR, THAT 207,000 MIGHT BE WHERE YOUR OVERLAY COMPANY I 15 2 0 7 AND THE SIX 10 WAS ZERO. SO WE MOVED IT UP TO ONE 50. OKAY. YEAH, I SEE THE 6 2 2 0 7 HERE. YEAH. BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN SPENT THIS YEAR. RIGHT. AND WE'RE COMING BACK ONE THIS YEAR. THERE'S YOUR SAVINGS WHERE YOUR, YOUR OVERLAYS THIS YEAR, BUT THE ONE UNDERNEATH IT, UM, IS LISTED FOR 200 HERE AND ZERO ON OURS. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS FOR THE 2 88. NOW WE HAVE A PROJECT. NOW WE DO HAVE A FUND FOR THE 2 88 PROJECT. THAT'S WHY IT'S ZERO. SO IT'S ZERO ON OUR BOOK, BUT YEAH. NOT HERE. YOU GOT IT. YOU KNOW WHAT'S ZERO? ALRIGHT. YEAH. ZERO THE BOOKS. THANK YOU. YOU SAID IT'S ALL BECAUSE THE 2 88 PROJECT NOW IS, IT'S A FUND OF ITSELF NOW. RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE 2 88 IN THERE FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT THERE FOR NEXT YEAR. 'CAUSE IT'S A FUND BY ITSELF. THAT'S FUND 1 61 NOW. OH, OKAY. YEAH. YOU MOVED IT OUT TO THE OTHER FUND. I MOVED IT OUT. I SAW THAT BACK HERE. YOU'RE RIGHT. JUST REAL QUICK, HECTOR. MM-HMM WHAT LINES ARE YOU TARGETING FOR THAT? 150,000? UM, SO ONE OF THE, I KNOW ONE OF THE ONES WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT IS, UH, ONE THAT WE DIDN'T GET DONE PREVIOUSLY WAS ON WIMBERLEY STREET. THAT WOULD BE ONE. YOU KNOW, WE HAD MADE A WHOLE PLAN TO REPLACE IT AND IT GOT COSTS ON ALL THAT STUFF. THEN THAT GOT NIXED BECAUSE DECIDED WE NEEDED ENGINEERING FOR IT. UM, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONES WE'LL TARGET. 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLOT WITH THAT 150,000. NOW WE HAVE THAT WHOLE ROCK ISLAND PROJECT THAT HDR DESIGNED FOR US. BUT THAT PROJECT, THE CONSTRUCTION COST OF THAT IS UH, I BELIEVE ROUGHLY $900,000. SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT WITH THAT COST. BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE TRY TO PUSH TOWARDS, RIGHT? LIKE MAYBE THIS IS AN AMOUNT WE INCREASE EACH YEAR AND EVENTUALLY END UP TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN TACKLE THOSE LARGER PROJECTS LIKE THAT. BUT YEAH, THIS YEAR I'D SAY WE GO FOR WIMBERLEY BECAUSE IT'S TWO INCH LINE. IT'S AN OLD CAST IRON LINE. UM, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS. BUT ALSO THERE'S NO FIRE PROTECTION MIDWAY DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A, A LINE'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT A FIRE HYDRANT. RIGHT. SO TACKLE THOSE TWO THINGS. WILL, WILL THEY PUT ONE IN? YES. DO THIS? YEAH, WE'D PUT EIGHT INCH ONE. WE HAVE ADJACENT, WE HAVE ADJACENT MAIN THAT WE WILL ALLOW FOR THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. WE HAVE A 16 INCH ON DOWNING AND I THINK A 10 OR 12 RUNNING DOWN TINSLEY BACK THERE, SO. YEP. GOOD. UH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT ON WATER UNLESS Y'ALL GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO GOING INTO SEWER 5 70 0 3 5 70, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S THE SKILL-BASED PAY IN HERE ALLOWING FOR THE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT EMPLOYEES CURRENT SKILLS THEY HAVE BASED ON NOW. THAT'S WHAT THE INCREASE WOULD BE IF THAT PLAN EVER WENT THROUGH. UM, AND THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE OTHER HALF OF THE, UM, GIS UH, SLASH RECEPTIONIST POSITION. UM, THAT'S THE OTHER PORTION OF IT AS WE DIVIDED IT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SEWER AND WATER. UM, LET'S SEE, NEXT INCREASE WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, SMALL EQUIPMENT PURCHASE OF NEW MOWER. [05:25:01] UM, OUR LIFT STATION OPERATIONS, THEY HAVE 47 SITES TO TAKE CARE OF. THEY CURRENTLY ONLY HAVE ONE MOWER. UM, SO THAT'S TO GET THEM ANOTHER ONE SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE TWO AND TRY TO TACKLE SOME OF THOSE AREAS. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING WITH THE WAY EVERYTHING'S GROWING. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THREE MOWERS? CORRECT. AND THERE'S ONE IN OUR WATER DEPARTMENT I BELIEVE TOO. 'CAUSE OUR WATER DEPARTMENT HAS AN OLD BRUSH HOG THAT THEY DON'T EVEN MAKE PARTS FOR ANYMORE. AND I THINK IT'S LIKE 12 OR 15 YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT GOING SO THEY CAN MOW THEIR FACILITIES. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS IN SMALL EQUIPMENT. UM, R AND M VEHICLES, SAME THING. JUST A, UH, THIS ONE'S ONLY A 1500 INCREASE, BUT JUST TO KEEP UP WITH ROUTINE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ON ALL THOSE VEHICLES. UM, THERE WASN'T AN INCREASE ON EQUIPMENT OR INFRASTRUCTURE ON THIS ONE. UM, SAFETY, UM, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S AN INCREASE THERE FOR US. JUST SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER ONES. UH, JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY'S SAFETY EQUIPMENT AND IN ON EVERYBODY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. UM, LIFT STATION. SO THIS IS A, UH, WOULD I, I BELIEVE WOULD BE A NEW LINE ITEM FOR US AS WELL. UH, BUT THIS $75,000, UH, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN WE WERE REHABILITATING LIFT STATIONS, WE HAD THE ARPA FUNDS, IF EVERYONE REMEMBERS WE WERE REPLACING, YOU KNOW, REHABILITATING SOME OF THESE REALLY OLD LIFT STATIONS. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF 'EM OUT THERE THAT STILL NEED TO BE DONE AND THAT $75,000 WOULD HANDLE LIKE A LOT OF OUR SMALLER ONES THAT WE STILL HAVE THAT NEED TO BE REHABILITATED. YOU KNOW, SOME NEW PUMPS, THEY'LL GO IN AND REDO ALL THE ELECTRICAL AND UH, RECOAT, YOU KNOW, THE WET WELL AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND BUY US A LOT MORE TIME OUT OF THESE STATIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR. JUST TO TRY TO DO ONE A YEAR. UM, LET'S SEE. AND THEN GOING DOWN TO, UH, UPGRADE EXISTING SEWER LINES. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE, UH, REPLACEMENT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHICH AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT I'D SAID, YOU KNOW, I PREFER TO TRY TO DO IS HAVE AN AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY TO PLAN A PROJECT BUT ALSO CONTINGENCY FOR EMERGENCIES. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS THAT WE JUST CAN'T DO BOTH AT ONE TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT 500,000 REQUEST FOR IS JUST TO TRY TO PICK AN AREA THAT WE KNOW IS BAD AND JUST START, START REPLACING LINES EVERY YEAR WITH THAT FUNDING. TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THIS THING. I THINK, I THINK WITH THE AMOUNT OF I AND I, WE SEE REGULARLY THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON SOME OF THESE OLDER LINES. AND I THINK IF WE DON'T BUDGET FOR IT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BUDGET, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BUDGET BUDGET ITSELF ANYWAY. YES. AS IT KIND OF HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT IT AT 644,000 NEXT YEAR ON UPGRADE, EXISTING LINES, R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE, AIR MAINTENANCE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH THAT QUALIFIES. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO THE EXISTING LINES, WHERE DID I SEE THAT THAT WAS, WELL, YOU HAVE 115,000 CONTINGENCY GOING TO 145,000 CONTINGENCY AND THEN UPGRADE EXISTING LINES IS ZERO, BUT CAPITAL PURCHASES 170,000 THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR SO FAR YOU WANNA SPEND 16,000. YOU'VE GOT IT IN THE BUDGET. I WOULD JUST START MAKING SOME FINAL LINE AND START TAKING ACTION ON IT BETWEEN THOSE THREE LINES I JUST GAVE YOU. YOU GOT IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE KNOW EXACTLY WHICH ONE TO GO AFTER THEN THE CONTINGENCY, THE CAPITAL PURCHASE AND WHAT OTHER LINE, JOHN? THE UM, THE REPAIR MAINTENANCE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE 3 1 5 0 3 1 5. OKAY. YEAH. THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CONTINGENCY FIVE 20 AND YOU'VE GOT THE 6 23 CAPITAL. OKAY, I SEE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. AND HONESTLY, IF YOU'RE LEVERAGING THE STAFF THAT YOU'VE GOT AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE INVESTMENTS IN, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THIS STUFF DONE IN IN HOUSE IN SOME CASES. SOME, SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES. YES. RIGHT. WE, WE DO TAKE CARE OF. YEAH. WE'LL REPLACE A, YOU KNOW, A 50 TO, I THINK THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS, UH, DOWN A, A SMALL ALLEYWAY IN EASEMENT. I THINK WE DID 160 FEET IN HOUSE. YES. SO IN SOME CASES WE CAN HANDLE SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES. YEAH. [05:30:01] IS THE CR REPLACEMENT GONNA BE DONE IN THIS BUDGET? UH, SO WE, WE ALREADY REPLACED THAT ONE SECTION THAT COLLAPSED. YES. AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE THREE OTHER SECTIONS. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY VOTE RIGHT NOW IS TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH OUT THE SECTION. WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH YOU'RE STATING UNDER THESE, ALL THESE OTHER LINE ITEMS. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE MY GO AFTER RIGHT NOW. YEAH. MM-HMM . UM, I DO SEE, AND YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING IT, SEWER CAPITAL PURCHASES. UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT, UH, SEWER, WHY OUT OF ENCOMPASS, UH, THIS 590,000? WELL, THE, THE 170 I THINK 6 23. 6 23. 6 23. OKAY. OH, BECAUSE, AND SPEAKING JOHN'S POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT THIS, UH, UH, R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT HE CONTINGENCY, UH, THE, THE SEWER LIFT STATIONS. AND THEN YOU HAVE CAPITAL PURCHASES, WHICH I SEE THE RM INFRASTRUCTURE IS, YOU KNOW, MAINTEN AND REPAIRING STUFF THAT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. RIGHT. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE SEWER LIFT STATIONS, WHICH IS ALSO KIND OF AN RM LINE ITEM, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING ANOTHER ONE, IT'S NOT A CAPITAL EXPENSE. CORRECT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REPAIRING AND MAINTEN AND, AND, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I SEE THE CAPITAL PURCHASES AS, UM, YOU KNOW, NEW, NEW EQUIPMENT OR SOMETHING FOR, UH, FOR A RELATED BUT SEPARATE PURPOSE. SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT WAS WITH THAT. SO WHAT I HAVE IN THIS 6 23 LISTED OUT IS $590,000. AND THAT'S FOR THE PURCHASE OF A NEW BACK TRUCK AND A NEW JET TRAILER UNIT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE LISTED ON, ON, ON WHICH ONE? ON 6 23. NO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON, BUT WE HAVEN'T BOUGHT THOSE AND WE DIDN'T, DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE GREEN LIT FOR NEXT YEAR. NO, THOSE ARE JUST, YEAH, THAT'S JUST, IT'S A WISHLIST. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR YOU. RIGHT. UM, AND AGAIN, WITH THIS WHOLE R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE LINE ITEM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT CURRENTLY IS TAKING CARE OF, UM, OF ALL THESE ITEMS OF, UM, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE TO REPLACE A PUMP ON A LIFT STATION. RIGHT. OR IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A REHAB, RIGHT. BUT WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE SOMETHING 'CAUSE IT'S GONE OUT. OR THESE EMERGENCY SEWER LINE ISSUES WE HAVE, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT WITH THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING SEPARATE ON, YOU KNOW, THESE LIFT STATIONS OR UH, THIS UPGRADE EXISTING LINES. RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS E EVERYTHING WE WOULD TRY TO, LET'S SAY WE, HEY, THIS LINE'S OLD, WE NEED TO REPLACE IT. WE CAN USE R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? BUT WE NEVER GET TO THAT POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY POPUP NOW WE HAVE TO GO SPEND IT ON THIS OR SPEND IT ON THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THESE OTHER THINGS SO THAT WAY I CAN PAY FOR THE EMERGENCY BUT ALSO START TRYING TO REPLACE THIS AREA. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I SEE YEAR AFTER YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. I HAVE A PLAN TO DO THIS OR DO THAT AND NEVER GETS DONE BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE SOME OTHER PART OF TOWN THAT FALLS APART ON US. THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, KIND OF SEEMS LIKE A DOUBLE ASK. RIGHT. A LITTLE BIT AS YOU'RE SAYING, I GOT INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL IT ALREADY DOES THAT ON ITS OWN . AND SO LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO PLAN A LITTLE BIT BETTER IS WHY I'M, IT SEEMS LIKE A DOUBLE ASK TO YOU GUYS AND THAT'S WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BETTER. YEAH. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR THREE 15 ACCOUNT, I THINK WE HAVE UH, I THINK IT MAY BE UH, I THINK 85 OR $95,000 LEFT INTO IT. I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT LEFT IN THERE, BUT STILL HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN A COST ON UH, UH, BER STREET GOING UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS OVER THERE. 'CAUSE WE JUST SUBMITTED EVERYTHING TO UNION PACIFIC. ONCE THEY APPROVE THAT PLAN, IF IT'S OKAY FOR US TO DO THAT, THEN I CAN GET A COST FROM THE CONTRACTOR AND THAT HAS TO COME FROM THERE AS WELL. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, THAT'S, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE A DOUBLE ASK, BUT IT'S JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS END UP SPENDING EVERYTHING ON EMERGENCIES. UM, OKAY. THAT'S ALL ON, UH, SEWER. OKAY. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UH, NO, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL AND I APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THAT. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. YEAH. YEAH. SOMETIMES I MAY NOT. YEAH. I JUST HAVE TO ASK ME. SOMETIMES I DON'T ALWAYS, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL IN HERE AND I GOT SO MUCH OF IT THAT SOMETIMES I MIGHT ASSUME Y'ALL KNOW IT. RIGHT. , YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE DEBT SERVICE THAT'S LOOMING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO OF THE LIKE WATER, YOU GOT YOUR WATER PLANT, YOUR SEWER PLANT REPAIRS GOING, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE LORRAINE STREET REPAIR. CORRECT. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL COVERED BY INCREASE, RIGHT? IF IT'S HAPPENING ALREADY OR HAPPENING THIS FISCAL YEAR. CORRECT? YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR IS TO COVER THE COST OF THAT. YEAH. BUT THAT'S IN THE DEBT SERVICE, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE 8 MILLION. CORRECT. SO DO YOU HAVE [05:35:01] HARD NUMBERS YET TO TELL US KIND OF BALLPARK WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE LEFT OVER TO USE 3.8 MILLION IS WHAT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT'S SUPPOSED TO COST US, RIGHT? OR LESS. THAT'S THE NEW FIGURE WE'VE GOTTEN FROM, UH, JOHN PETERSON, WHICH WE WILL HAVE, Y'ALL GUYS WILL HAVE AN UPDATE THIS TUESDAY ON THAT. RIGHT. AND THEN LORRAINE STREET IS, LORRAINE STREET IS 1 MILLION. IS WHAT? 1 MILLION? 1 MILLION. SO YOU HAVE EXTRA MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR TO, THAT'S LEFT IN THAT DEBT SERVICE? NO, I THINK, YES. NO, I TRIED TO TELL SUSIE THAT THE OTHER DAY. SHE TOLD ME NO . WHY SUSIE? BECAUSE YOU HAVE 4 MILLION. I PUT A, A ROUGH ESTIMATE, 4 MILLION FOR THE WA WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. OKAY. UH, MILLION 63 FOR RAIN STREET. OKAY. AND I TRANSFERRED TO YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE 2 88 PROJECT. REMEMBER THE 1.5? NO, THE 2.4. 2.1. 2.1. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN I CAME UP WITH THE REMAINING MONIES THAT WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A MATCH OF A 1.250 FOR THAT 2 88 PROJECT. OKAY. SO, UH, SO LET ME GET MY HEAD ON THIS. YOU SAID FOUR, UH, 1.1 0.1 IS 5.1 PLUS 2.1 IS 7.2. UM, I HAVE A BALANCE OF 2 91. THERE YOU GO. WELL, YOU GOT 2 91 TO GO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING. 2 91 TO FIX SOMETHING. YEAH. AND WE, AND WE CAN WORK WITH THAT, BUT THERE COULD BE MORE. BUT YEAH, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. I WAS LIKE, OH, WE GOT MONEY LEFT OUTTA THIS. RIGHT. SU SHE SAID WRONG. ALL RIGHT, WELL, MAKES SENSE. SO YEAH, I, BUT THE THING IS, IS YOU CAN ONLY TACKLE SO MANY PROJECTS IN ONE YEAR AND I THINK WE'VE BLOATED YOU UP PRETTY WELL. YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT TOO. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN EVEN MANAGE, RIGHT. EVEN HIRING A CONTRACTOR OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS. I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN LOOK AT OR MANAGE IN, IN A YEAR, BUT I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS GONNA DICTATE FUTURE BUDGETS. IF IF ALL THESE THINGS WE'VE GIVEN YOU THIS YEAR AND YOU CAN'T GET 'EM ALL DONE, THEN THAT TELLS ME NEXT YEAR NOT TO PUT THAT MUCH IN. YEAH. SO IT'S ON, IT'S ON Y'ALL TO EXECUTE NOW. WELL, AND, AND, AND TURNING, TURNING THIS CONVERSATION A LITTLE MORE POSITIVE. HANG ON. MINUTE MINUTE. UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MY ASK WOULD BE IS THAT YOU REALLY LOOK, REALLY TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, UM, FROM, FROM AN EFFICIENCY PERSPECTIVE AND SEE HOW YOU CAN BRING PEOPLE UP. I I'M SURE YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. YES. BUT BRING THIS, BRING THIS BACK TO US BECAUSE WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS I DON'T WANT TO ALLOCATE THIS MONEY FOR PROJECTS THAT DON'T GET DONE AND THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE SPENT MAYBE, UH, 70 OR $120,000 AND HIRED SOME PEOPLE AND JUST HAD AN EXPONENTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK DONE. AND SO I HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T CHASTISE YOU IF WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE TOOLS, ALL THE TOOLS THAT WE NEED FOR YOU TO DO THE JOB. WE'VE GOT YOU EQUIPMENT, BUT THERE'S NOBODY TO OPERATE IT. WHAT ARE YOU TO DO? UM, SO I, I DON'T WANT YOU, AND I'VE, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION MANY TIMES AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE IN THAT POSITION. I DON'T WANT OUR CITY TO BE IN THAT POSITION. AND SO IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO MAKE TO MEET MY GOAL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND LET'S BE, YOU KNOW, BARE BONES WHAT YOU NEED TO ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WILL, THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE OPEN TO LISTENING TO THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT, LIKE JOHN SAID, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE WILL BE, WE WILL BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TO PROJECTS LIKE THIS ON THIS SCALE. BUT THEN AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO 'EM, I MEAN, THERE'S SOMEBODY AT FAULT THERE. YES. YEP. I HAVE A, I HAVE A WHOLE FUTURE HIERARCHY. SO I WILL BRING ALL THAT NEXT TIME. UM, I GUESS NEXT TIME Y'ALL WANNA DO IT, NEXT TIME WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET, I CAN BRING IT THEN. OR YOU WANT IT TO BE A COMPLETE SEPARATE ITEM? I MEAN, I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY, HONESTLY. WE, WE, YEAH. I MEAN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO. YEAH. UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT? YOUR, UH, SO TO ME WE'RE TA BUDGETING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TAXING PEOPLE TO GET EITHER THE PERSONS OR THE JOB COMPLETED. AND SO IF WE CAN'T COMPLETE THE JOB IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL OR JUST IT'S TOO MUCH, TOO MANY PROJECTS FOR A, A CITY OUR SIZE FOR, UM, THEN WE [05:40:01] NEED TO LOOK AT IT WHERE WE'RE TAXING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE OTHERWISE WE'RE TAKING THEIR MONEY WITH A PROMISE TO GET SOMETHING DONE THAT WE KNOW WE CAN'T ACCOMPLISH. SO. EXACTLY. AND WE'VE DONE WE THAT, THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR, SO IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, WE ALL KNOW THAT IF WE CAN'T GET TO THIS, IT'LL BE UP ALL IT'LL BE. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, SOMETHING'S GONNA SPRING UP AND IT'S GONNA PULL YOU OFF OF WHATEVER, OR SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN AND YOU CAN'T, BUT, AND THEN THE MONEY AND TIME GOES INTO THOSE THINGS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WE'RE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT GONNA PROBABLY NET ITSELF OUT AT SOME POINT, BUT MM-HMM . WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BEING, YOU KNOW, JUDICIOUS WITH THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR. AND IF WE DON'T NEED IT, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO GO GET IT FROM HIM. YES. THERE'S A LOT RIDING ON THIS AS FAR AS PUBLIC PERCEPTION AND EXECUTION WE'VE GOTTA DELIVER. YES. UNDERSTOOD POSITIONS. OKAY. I THINK THE NEXT, I GUESS THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING, YOU CAN BRING BACK YOUR HIERARCHY IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND GIVE US THE DETAILS ON YOUR STEP, YOUR, UH, SKILL. YEAH, I'LL BRING THAT AS WELL. SKILLS AND CERTIFICATIONS. YES. AND ALSO, UH, OUR, I THINK THE CORRECT NUMBERS TOO ON, UH, NOT THE TOTALS, BUT THE ADJUSTMENTS YOU WANNA MAKE. GOTCHA. YEAH, I HAVE THAT TOO. I JUST HAVE TO UPDATE IT AND THEN ALSO HAVE A ANOTHER, UH, IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO, I STARTED WORKING ON A, UH, I GUESS THEY CALL IT A, A STEP PLAN. I STARTED WORKING ON THAT AS WELL. 'CAUSE UH, OUR HR DEPARTMENT REQUESTED LIKE STEP PLANS FROM EVERYBODY. SO I HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL. IT'S KINDA LIKE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I CAN BRING BOTH OF THEM. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S IT ON SEWER. UH, NOW WE'LL DO THE, JUST A SEWER TREATMENT FACILITY. UM, ONLY PERSONNEL REQUESTING HERE, WHICH THIS IS A NEW POSITION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REQUESTED THIS ONE BEFORE. BUT AN ASSISTANT CHIEF WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN OPERATOR. UM, MORE OF A SUCCESSION PLAN FOR US, YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, OLGA, YOU KNOW, THERE, UH, HAS BEEN THERE, UH, 30 YEARS ALREADY, SO SHE'S GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE SHE'S GONNA END UP RETIRING AT SOME POINT SOON. YOU KNOW, I KNOW SHE'S OF AGE AS WELL, SO, UM, BUT YES, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS FOR. UM, THE OTHER INCREASES WE HAD HERE WAS, UH, AGAINST, THIS IS THE OTHER MOWER WE WERE ASKING FOR AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UH, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE THERE. UM, AND THEY HAVE TO MOW THE WHOLE FRONT OF THAT PROP. WELL A LOT OF THAT FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY, THE WHOLE INSIDE AND THE PORTIONS OF THE BACK AS WELL. UM, I DON'T KNOW HECTOR, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN APPROVE YOU GETTING ALL THESE NEW MOWERS AND PARKS IS OVER THERE TRYING TO GET NEW MOWER ONCE A YEAR AND THEY DO A WHOLE LOT MORE MOWING THAN YOU DO. IF I WERE TO, IF I WERE TO SAY IF THEY, YOU WANTED TO ALLOCATE THEM AND, WELL, I KNOW YOU CAN'T PROBABLY DO IT AS THIS UTILITY FUND, BUT I WOULD SAY TAKE THIS ONE AWAY AND GIVE IT TO 'EM IF IT WAS POSSIBLE. BUT THIS ONE'S MORE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST THAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, LIFT STATIONS AND THE STREETS ONE ARE WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS ONE. MAYBE WE CUT THE ONE OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND AND GIVE YOU THIS ONE. YEAH, I MEAN, HOWEVER Y'ALL WANNA LOOK AT IT AS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED IT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU. THEY DO MORE MOWING THAN WE DO. I MEAN, WE, WE DO, OUR LIFT STATIONS HAS THE MOST GROUND TO COVER. I MEAN, THEY GOT 47 SITES THEY GOTTA TAKE CARE OF AND THAT'S PRETTY CRAZY. I'M SURE THEY COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU ONE OF THEIRS THAT THEY'RE ONE OF THEIR OLDER ONES THAT YOU DON'T DO A LOT OF MOWING, YOU DON'T NEED A NEW ONE. YEAH. THAT COULD LIKE PROBABLY GO TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT. RIGHT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST. IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT, PROBABLY WON'T FA VERY WELL OUT THERE ANYWAY AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT. YEAH, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE WITH ME. BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY AND THINK THAT SENSE. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE WITH ME. UM, I WOULD ALSO REVIEW MY BUDGET FOR, UH, FOR MY MOWERS TOO. I THINK YOU'RE A LITTLE, LITTLE LOW. I THINK, UM, UM, THE $15,000 MARK IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. I'M SURE YOU AGREED FOR A COMMERCIAL NUMBER. YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE IT, I THINK TRAVIS HAD GOTTEN A COST FOR RIGHT UNDER 10 GRAND. AND I WANNA SAY IT WAS FROM, UH, THAT BRA, I GUESS BRAZOSPORT POWER SPORTS OR WHATEVER I THINK IT WAS. I THINK THEY GAVE US THAT QUOTE FOR UNDER 10, I BELIEVE. UH, LET'S SEE, THAT, UH, LAP SUPPLIES, THAT'S AN INCREASE TO THE, UM, UH, WE HAD, THERE'S A LOT OF PROBES, UH, THESE PH PROBES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND IT WAS NEVER INCLUDED IN THIS, BUT IN THIS BUDGET LINE ITEM. SO WE'RE JUST WANTING TO INCLUDE THAT IN THERE. THOSE THINGS ARE, I THINK LIKE A GRAND A PIECE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, [05:45:01] OR $1,200, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE TEST OF PH PH UH, TWICE A DAY. UM, AND ON THE WEEKENDS TOO, UH, CHEMICAL SUPPLIES, SO THIS IS A, THEY HAD AN INCREASE TO SULFUR DIOXIDE. SO THIS IS JUST THE INCREASE IN CENTS TIMES THE AMOUNT OF, UH, TONS WE USE IN A YEAR. THAT'S THAT INCREASE. UM, R AND M INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, SO THIS AGAIN IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER, OUR OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUTTA THAT, RIGHT? ALL THE REPAIRS OF THIS, WE HAVE TO REPLACE A BLOWER, A PUMP, A MOTOR, A SOMETHING FALLS APART ON US OVER THERE, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, IT ALL COMES OUTTA THIS. AND SO THIS $50,000 INCREASE WAS TO TRY TO START PLANNING SOME MAINTENANCE TO REPLACE, WE HAVE THESE LARGE, UH, ISOLATION GATES AND VALVES AND ALL THESE OTHER COMPONENTS IN THE PLANT THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, INSTALLED AT THE DATE OF THE PLANT BEING BUILT. AND SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE IN NEED OF REPLACEMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT ALLOTS US A LITTLE MORE CUSHION TO TRY TO BE PREEMPTIVE ON THESE THINGS, BUT ALSO STILL BEING MINDFUL THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT INEVITABLY FALLS APART ON US IN THAT FISCAL YEAR. AGAIN, SAME CONCEPT THERE. UM, AND THEN SLUDGE. THIS IS JUST AN INCREASE TO OUR SLUDGE HAULING. THE COST OF THAT WENT UP. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THAT INCREASE IS FOR. AND TO HAUL THAT SLUDGE OFF AND WELL COMPANY COMES OUT AND ACTUALLY PRESSES IT FOR US ON SITE, THEN HAULS IT OFF. THEY DO IT ALL TURNKEY FOR US. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS TO DO IT. THERE USED TO BE DRYING BEDS THERE, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 YEARS AGO THEY WERE DRYING BEDS THERE AND THEY GOT RID OF THE DRYING BEDS AND SO NOW THEY HAVE NO WAY TO DISPOSE OF SLUDGE. SO IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE THEN. WE'VE BEEN PAYING SOMEONE TO COME IN, PRESS IT AND DISPOSE OF IT. I THOUGHT WE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY RECENTLY ABOUT AN IDEA TO SAVE THAT MONEY. CORRECT. IT'S INSTALLING, UM, YOUR OWN DEWATERING SYSTEM, WHICH WILL SAVE YOU MONEY OVER THE COURSE OF EIGHT TO 10 YEARS. YOU'LL GET YOUR MONEY BACK ON IT. AND THAT BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT AND THE DEFINITELY THE EQUIPMENT WILL LAST YOU ANYWHERE FROM 18 TO 20 YEARS. THE BUILDING WILL, AS LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN IT PROPERLY WILL LAST. YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT DURING THAT TIME. UM, THE ONLY FACTOR IN THAT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO HAUL IT. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A, A, A, WHAT ARE THOSE CALLED? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? THOSE LONG 20 FOOT BINS. RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A TRUCK THAT CAN PICK THOSE UP AND HAUL THOSE. AND WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T FACTOR INTO THAT WHEN WE DID COST ESTIMATES ON IT. MM-HMM . SO WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DRIVER OF THAT DROP ONE AND THEN COME PICK IT UP. YEAH. OR YOU CONTRACT IT OUT. RIGHT. BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU'RE PAYING SOMEBODY TO DO IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO THE COST, BUT JUST FOR THE EQUIPMENT IN THE BUILDING ITSELF, IT'LL PAY ITSELF OFF. YES. YOU, UM, AND I, SO I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A FILTER PRESS, CORRECT? YEAH. IN THERE. YEAH. FILTER PRESS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THOSE. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, JUST EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, JUST TO DEWATER THAT SLUDGE AND THEN BE ABLE TO HAUL IT OFF, DISPOSE OF IT AT THE LANDFILL. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN BRING UP AS A, AS A DISCUSSION AND LIKE A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING TOO, IF Y'ALL WANT TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT SLUDGE DEWATERING ON, YOU KNOW, COST VERSUS BENEFIT AND WHAT IT, HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO RECOUP OUR COST ON IT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA TRY TO TACKLE AT ANY POINT, IS IT REHAB OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN GONNA HELP THAT AT ALL? NOT IN WHAT WE'RE INITIALLY ASKING FOR. NOW. WE, WE TRIED TO INCLUDE IT DURING PREVIOUS, LIKE, INITIAL CONVERSATIONS. IT'S LIKE, HEY, LET'S, LET'S GET THIS BELT PRESS INCLUDED IN THIS. BUT WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, WE ENDED UP PASSING IT OFF TO HDR, WE HAD THIS IDEA OF TRYING TO KEEP IT UNDER 4 MILLION. WELL THAT KNOCKS THAT OUT OF THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK THE COST OF THAT IS LIKE, RIGHT. I WANNA SAY A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUY ALL THESE STUFF FOR THAT. AND AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE HAULING OF IT OR US HAVING A TRUCK AND BINS AND ALL THAT TO HAUL IT OFF WITH. SO WHEN WE GET THE BIDS FOR THE, THE REHAB, CAN WE TRY TO GET THAT IN THERE? I'M NOT, NOT TALKING ABOUT ADDING, I'M TALKING ABOUT GETTING THAT IN TO A BID. A BID WITH ONE WITH IT AND A BID WITHOUT IT. WE COULD, YEAH. WE COULD REQUEST IT AS A, SO WE KNOW JUST YEAH. JUST AN ACCESSORY ITEM, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'LL, I'LL LET HGR KNOW THAT. AND, AND HOW MANY TONS DO WE DO? 'CAUSE THERE'S A DISPOSAL FEE IF WE DO IT CORRECT. UM, IT JUST DEPENDS. SO IT ALL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PLANT, RIGHT. BECAUSE WHAT HAP WHAT CAUSES US TO WANT TO PRESS IS WE HAVE TOO MANY SOLIDS BUILT UP IN THERE. SO THEY DO TEST TWICE A WEEK. SO I'VE SEEN THEM WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO PRESS EVERY WEEK FOR A WHOLE MONTH. AND I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'VE ONLY HAD TO PRESS ONCE A MONTH. YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE BUGS ARE OPERATING AND WHAT KIND OF SOLIDS WE HAVE COMING IN FROM THE SYSTEM. BUT, SO IT CAN VARY. UM, BUT YEAH, I'VE, I'VE SEEN WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN PREVIOUS, I SAW PREVIOUS BUDGETS, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM YEARS AGO, OR THEY ONLY SPENT LIKE $75,000 ON SLUDGE [05:50:01] IN, IN A PHYSICAL YEAR. AND THEN NOW WE'RE UP TO WHERE WE'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, 275. SO IT'S, IT'S GONE UP. THE COST OF IT AND THE FREQUENCY OF IT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO HAVING TO OPERATE AT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THOSE, UH, PRESSES DON'T RUN FREE EITHER. YEAH, WE DO REQUIRE HELP CHANGES AND CORRECT. THERE'S MAINTENANCE ON 'EM AND YOU KNOW, THOSE COLOR BLOCK BEARINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. SOMEBODY'S GOTTA LUBRICATE THAT THING REGULARLY. YEAH. AND SOMEBODY'S GOTTA OPERATE IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A COMPLETELY HANDS-ON THE WHOLE TIME IT'S RUNNING TYPE OF OPERATION, BUT SOMEBODY DOES HAVE TO CHECK ON IT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S OPERATING CORRECTLY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I GOT UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OVERALL. YOU SAID AN HOUR. I RAISED YOU AN HOUR. YOU WHAT? YOU TOLD ME IT WAS GONNA TAKE AN HOUR. I RAISED YOU AN HOUR . I SAID IT'S TWO 30. WE STARTED LIKE RIGHT AT NOON OR RIGHT AROUND 1220 I THINK. I THINK SO, RIGHT? YEAH. I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE WATER FUNDS COLLECTION DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND THAT'S THEIR COLLECTION DEPARTMENT HERE. AND AT CITY HALL, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGES. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE IS AN ANNUAL SOFTWARE FEE THAT I'M REQUESTING, AND THAT'S FOR OUR HANDHELD METERS. BUT 18,000 IS APPROXIMATELY, IT MAY NOT BE THAT MUCH, BUT I DO HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE. IT THAT'S FOR THE METERS THAT WHEN WE HAVE TO DO READ MANUALLY, OUR SOFTWARE IS INADEQUATE AND WE HAVE TO BRING IT UP TODAY. WE DO HAVE ANOTHER OPTION, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT PRICE YET. SO THIS IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER. THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE I HAVE. I WILL GO BACK HOW THIS BUDGET WAS COMPOSED. THE REVENUE FOR THIS BUDGET IS BASED ON A 30 CENT INCREASE FOR VWA. ALONG WITH THAT IS A $3 AND 36 BASE RATE INCREASE ACCORDING TO A RATE STUDY THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE BOND THAT WAS DONE FOR THE WASTEWATER AND TREATMENT PLANT. THAT IS A TOTAL BASE RATE INCREASE OF $4 AND 21 CENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TO THE MAYOR COUNCIL TO GIVE THE SENIOR CITIZENS A $5 DISCOUNT TO WATER AND A $5 DISCOUNT TO SEWER GOING FORWARD TO THE SENIOR CITIZENS, DISABLED VETERANS AND TO EMPLOYEES. AND THAT IS AN OPTION FOR COUNSEL. THAT WILL BE A DOLLAR FOR DISCOUNT TO YOUR SENIOR CITIZENS AFTER THE INCREASE OF $4 AND 21 CENTS. WHAT AGE? UM, DO YOU WANT TO? 55. AND THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE SENIOR CITIZENS. UH, UH, I ARE Y'ALL GETTING CLOSE TO MAKING ME A SENIOR CITIZENS ? I I THOUGHT WE JUST PULLED A, UH, UH, PROVIDED A, A CUT, UH, PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FOR, FOR THAT PUR FOR A SIMILAR PURPOSE WE DID TO GIVE AID TO SENIORS VETS. AND WE DID THAT FOR THE PROPERTY TAX. AN EXEMPTION, I MEAN AN ADDITIONAL EXEMPTION OF 5,000 BUCKS. BUT THIS IS FOR THEIR WATER RATES. SO THIS WILL HELP THOSE THAT DON'T OWN PROPERTY THAT HAVE TO LEASE PARTNERS. I'M GOOD WITH IT ON THE SENIORS AND THE DISABLED, BUT I'M NOT GOOD WITH IT ON THE EMPLOYEES. WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK, I THOUGHT WE, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE EMPLOYEES. MM-HMM . WE, WE'D GONE DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE AND I THOUGHT WE COULD, THEN WE GOT INTO AN ISSUE BECAUSE I SAID THE SAME THING. SOME PEOPLE LIVE OUT OF THE COUNTER CITY. I DUNNO, AS LONG AS IT'S AN EMPLOYEE BENEFIT. IT, IF YOU DON'T LIVE, IF YOU BECOME AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF ANGLETON AND I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY, I DO NOT GET THAT EXEMPTION. BUT SO THEN HOW SO OPPOSED TO WORK FOR THE CITY. BUT, BUT, BUT AT THAT POINT, HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT EMPLOYEE WHOLE? BECAUSE EVERYONE AROUND HIM, BECAUSE THEN HE'S BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST WITH PAY. 'CAUSE HE DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY PERFORMING THE SAME FUNCTION. THAT'S GONNA CREATE AN ISSUE. I JUST THINK IT'S BAD OPTICS ALL THE WAY AROUND. BUT THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. I JUST BROUGHT IT TO THE TABLE. I MEAN, BUT IT [05:55:01] IS, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS. DISABLED. AND THAT'S ALSO A CHOICE. NO, THE PROPERTY VALUES. MM-HMM . THAT'S THE GENERAL FUND. YES. YES. FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS. HOW DO THEY DEFINE SENIOR CITIZENS? I THOUGHT THAT WAS 65. THAT IS 60. UHHUH. . THAT IS BY THE COUNTY. MIGHT NEED TO HOLD UP STANDARD. I CAN DO 65 FOR SENIOR CITIZENS HERE TOO, I THINK. I THINK WOULD BE, MAKE SURE WE'RE IN LINE. MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN LINE WITH THEM. MM-HMM . AND THIS ONE WE CAN LOOK THEM UP ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY TAX TO SEE IF THEY'RE EXEMPT. YEAH. THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY. RIGHT? THAT'D MAKE IT EASY. SO IF THEY LEASE, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR ID. MM-HMM . AND ALONG WITH THAT LINE, WE CAN OFFER THE SAME THING WHEN WE NEGOTIATE WITH RAISE CONNECTIONS. MM-HMM . YEAH, BECAUSE THEY DID SAY THAT IF WE PROVIDED THEM WITH A LIST OF CEDAR SO THAT THEY COULD ALSO PROVIDE FOR THE DISCOUNT THAT IS NOT ADDED INTO THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT FULLY NEGOTIATED WITH THEM YET ON THE RECYCLING. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UP. I'VE WANTED IT EVERY YEAR. SO JUST SENIORS. JUST SENIORS IS WHAT Y'ALL WANTED. AND DISABLED BEDROOM. YEP. YEAH. DISABLED BEDROOMS. YEAH. DISABLED VETS. DISABLED VETS. AND AT AGE OF 65? YEAH. AGE 65. AND DISABLED VETS, ANY DISABLED VET, RIGHT. ANY AGE DISABLED VET. CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH, I AGREE. NOT JUST DISABLED AND NOT JUST VETERAN DISABLED. DISABLED. DISABLED. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I'M JUST MAKING SURE. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, YOU GOTTA DEFINE THESE THINGS CLEARLY 'CAUSE THAT'S RIGHT. BE LUMPING A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO THAT GROUP. YES. DISABLED VETERANS. SO LIKE, LIKE LEGALLY, CAN WE ASK THEM TO SHOW YES. THE PAPERWORK? IF THEY WANT THE DISCOUNT, YOU CAN. OKAY. A LOT OF 'EM APPLY. THEY HAVE THE LICENSE PLATES THEY APPLY FOR, FOR, THIS MAY BE NITPICKY, BUT I WAS CURIOUS WHEN I SAW IT EARLIER AND IT WAS, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THIS ON YOUR, ONE OF YOUR ACCOUNTS WAS 4 76 AND IT WAS CREDIT CARD FEES. AND I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. ONE SHOULD HAVE THE OFFSETTING REVENUE. DOES IT HAVE A REVENUE ITEM THAT MATCHES IT? UH, WE CHARGE POTENTIALLY. UH, WHAT'S WHAT'S THE FULL ACCOUNT NUMBER? UH, 5 25 4 7 6 5 25. THAT'S HOW THE GENERAL FUND, YES. 5 25, RIGHT? YES. 5 25. 4, 7 6. THERE'S A PROPOSED COULD ANSWER THAT. THERE'S A PROPOSED BUDGET OF $5,000 FOR CREDIT CARD FEES. BUT EVERYWHERE I GO THAT DOESN'T LIKE A CREDIT CARD FEE CHARGES ME A SEPARATE FEE. IT'S IN EXCESS OF PROCESSING FEE AND THEY MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT. UHHUH . SO IT'S JUST KIND OF 5 25, 4 7 6. YEAH. KNOW THAT'S CHARGE. THEY USED TO HAVE A CREDIT CARD MACHINE AT, AT THE PD THAT THEY USED TO TAKE PAYMENTS ON WEEKENDS. WE STILL DO. WE STILL DO. AND IT GETS CHARGED AND WE GOT IT BACK IN. BUT THAT, THAT'S FOR, YOU GUYS CHARGE A PROCESSING FEE FOR THAT AS WELL THOUGH? YES. SO, SO YOU HAVE A LINE, YOU HAVE A, A CORRESPONDING LINE ITEM THAT RECOVERS THAT AND THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE PROBABLY. CORRECT. OKAY. NEVERMIND. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YES, WE HAVE A LINE BECAUSE I'M LIKE, I'M LIKE NOPE, NOBODY'S GETTING, NOBODY'S GETTING OUTTA JAIL THIS WEEKEND. IF I GOTTA PAY A SURCHARGE AT THE FEED STORE FOR USING A CREDIT CARD WHEN I DON'T BRING IT UP CASH MY ORDER. I KNOW SOMEWHERE THAT GOES COUNTY. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WHERE ARE WE? IS THIS WHERE WE ARE? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT WANTED TO KNOW, IF THEIR BUDGETS WERE NO CHANGES, [06:00:01] DID THEY STILL NEED TO COME TO THEIR BUDGET MEETINGS ON THURSDAYS OR ANY OF OTHER ONES THAT YOU WANTED TO MEET WITH? YOU WANT THEM TO COME AND PRESENT IF THEY HAD NO CHANGES TO THEIR BUDGETS? MY PERSONAL OPINION IS YES. I MEAN IT'S YOUR PERSONAL OR PROFESSIONAL PERSONAL OPINION. PROFESSIONALLY, I WOULD SAY THEY SHOULD DO IT AS WELL. IT'S YOUR CHANCE TO GET IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AND MAKE YOUR CASE TO YOUR BUDGETS. UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'RE WANTING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET, GET UP THERE AND LET'S TALK FREELY ABOUT YOUR DEPARTMENT. I MEAN, THEY DON'T WANT TO AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY YET THAT DIDN'T GET UP THERE AND SAY THEY WANTED SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAD IN THEIR BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. MORE, UH, RATHER THAN IT'S, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY HADN'T GOTTEN IN THE PAST THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL GET THIS TIME OR NOT TRIAL. AND WE'VE FOUND A COUPLE ISSUES HERE AND THERE IN EVERYBODY'S BUDGET. SO YOU NEVER KNOW. WELL THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY AND IT WAS, I MEAN I HAVE SOME ERRORS IN PUTTING IN THE BUDGET, BUT BASICALLY YOU'RE OKAY. SUSAN . NO, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, THE OVERALL IS WE'RE AT 2.5 INCREASE. HAVE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. UH, WE'RE STILL IN QUESTION OF THE PARKS MAYBE MAINTENANCE PERSON AND STILL IN QUESTION OF IT WORKS A MAINTENANCE PERSON. THOSE ARE STILL QUESTIONABLE. AND THERE'S SKILLS PAY AND AND SKILL PAY. AND THE SKILL PACE. MM-HMM . YEAH. I WAS LISTENING WHILE I WASN'T HERE. SO THOSE ARE STILL ON THE, UH, CDLS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONTRACT THAT THEY SIGN. THAT'S RIGHT. 'CAUSE IF WE PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO GO GET A CDL AND THEN A WEEK LATER THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE A DUMP TRUCK FOR MORE MONEY, WELL THEY GOTTA PAY US BACK. I AGREE. THAT'S KINDA WHY I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING IT, BUDGETING IT AFTER THEY GET IT INSTEAD OF JUST GIVING THIS BALLOON AND JUST HOLDING IT AND I GUESS PULLING THE MONEY OUT WHEN THEY PAY 'EM IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. SO AFTER, UM, THEY HAVE TO PAY. AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE THOUGH. SOME OF 'EM CAN'T AFFORD TO. THAT'S, THAT'S YOU THINK SO? I WOULDN'T LIKE IT HONESTLY, IF I WOULDN'T, IF I WENT AND TOOK, TOOK THE, TOOK THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT REGARDLESS OF SOMEBODY ELSE PAYING FOR IT. AND THEN I WAS, BUT THEY KNEW IT WAS IN THEIR IS DON'T, WELL DON'T, WE DON'T DO YOUR SALARY, JUDGE. WELL MY DEAL IS THIS, SO I'LL GO TAKE THE TEST. I'LL, I'LL TAKE THE TEST AND I'LL SIT ON MY MY REAR UNTIL, UH, UNTIL THE BUDGET CYCLE PASSES AND THEN YOU CAN PUT ME IN A TRUCK. FAIR. FAIR ENOUGH. JUST SOMETHING THERE. I MEAN, I'D SAY LIKE, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT WITH, WITH THE PD OR WE'VE DONE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A RETENTION BONUS. UH, SO IF, IF JOHN COMES UP AND RECRUITS TANNER SIX MONTHS LATER HE GETS A $500 CHECK, WELL LESS TAXES. SO, AND THEN SAME THING WITH, UH, SOME OTHER SCHOOLS THAT THEY GO TO. IF WE GIVE 'EM A SPECIALIZED SCHOOL, LIKE THE PHONE DUMPING, IT'S $5,000. JUST THIS COST OF THE SCHOOL PLUS THE TIME THAT THE EMPLOYEE'S GONE. SO IF THEY WANNA GO TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING 'EM A CONTRACT. IF YOU LEAVE WITHIN TWO YEARS, YOU GOTTA PAY THAT BACK. THAT'S A LOT OF EXPENSE I THINK. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. AND BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THEY, THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT AND THEY THEY DO THAT, THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY COMMIT AND COMPLETE THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN, THEN THEY NEED TO BE PAID. THAT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY. LIKE, I MEAN WE, WE, WE HIRE SOMEBODY AND THEY COME, THEY, THEY COME THROUGH AND DO IT IN DECEMBER AND THEY GOTTA WAIT UNTIL, YOU KNOW, NEXT OCTOBER TO, UM, I I'M JUST SAYING THAT GIVE THEM A CONTRACT THAT IF YOU, IF YOU LEAVE WITHIN A YEAR, TWO YEARS, WHATEVER THEY DECIDE, THEIR DEPARTMENT HEAD DECIDES THAT YOU KNOW, YOU GOT YOUR CDL THIS WEEK. WELL YOU'VE BEEN BANKING ON IT, SO YOU'RE GONNA GO TO WORK FOR TEXDOT FOR $2 MORE AN HOUR. 'CAUSE NOW I'VE GOT MY CDL THAT THE CITY PAID FOR THAT IF THEY LEAVE WITHIN THAT YEAR, TWO YEARS THAT THEY HAD TO PAY IT BACK. I AGREE WITH THAT. WE STILL PAY THEM MM-HMM. FOR [06:05:01] THE, FOR THE STIPEND, YOU KNOW. BUT YOU GOOD WITH THAT SUSAN? Y'ALL GOOD WITH THAT? SO WE WANT TO KEEP 'EM. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR TODAY? UM, I WANT TO GO OVER LATER. UM, EACH DEPARTMENT'S EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION AMOUNT AND TRAVEL AND TRADING BASED ON, UM, THE AMOUNT OF HEADS THAT THERE ARE. 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCREPANCY IN LIKE WHICH DEPARTMENTS IN THE, FOR BOTH TRAVEL AND TRAINING AND EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. SO A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS DO NOT HAVE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. YOU'RE CORRECT. AND SOME OF THOSE ONES THAT DO HAVE IS THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE AN AN EMPLOYEE THAT'S GONNA BE FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS AND WE PAY THEM THAT $5 PER YEAR WITH THEIR AWARDS. SO SOME DEPARTMENTS WILL HAVE THAT IN THEIR DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM . AND THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING LIKE WOULD DEPEND ON WHO DOES HAVE TO HAVE THEIR RENEWAL FOR THE LICENSES EVERY YEAR. BUT I MEAN, I CAN ASK THEM TO DO THAT FOR YOU. YES. THANK YOU. AND THEN I DO WANT TO, I'LL PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT AND SAY THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY FIND A SAVINGS FOR EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION OVERTIME. UH, IF WE CUT THAT MOWER FROM PUBLIC WORKS, UH, OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, SINCE HE'S GETTING, REQUESTING LIKE THREE OF THEM, IT'S NOT A SMALL NUMBER. SO CUT THAT AND YOU CAN TAKE THE SAVINGS FROM THAT AND DISPERSE IT ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS FOR EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION. NO IMPACT TO THE BUDGET. ALSO WANT TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL THE SAFETY LINES. I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THOSE NUMBERS WHILE I LOOKED AT 'EM. I'M SURE HE AND JOHN HAVE SOMETHING PUT TOGETHER. HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. IT IS. THERE'S LIKE 30,000 ON ONE, 20,000 ON ANOTHER. YEAH. 20 ON ANOTHER. AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF IT JUST TALKING TO JOHN, BUT NOT ALL OF IT YET. BUT I MEAN, IT, IT'S THERE. I THINK THE OTHER LOOMING THING THAT'S GONNA SIT OUT THERE IS THE CITY HALL ANNEX. WHAT'S THE NEXT PLAN WITH IT? IT'S, IT'S SERVICED US WELL FOR THIS LAST YEAR. UM, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD IF WE LET SOMETHING SIT THERE AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT? IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM. MAYBE WE EXPLORE SOME, UH, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH, YOU KNOW, AN IDEAS TO MAKE IT SOME TYPE OF A, A CIVIC CENTER, A MEETING ROOM. YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT SPACE IN THERE. YOU YOU CAN TAKE OUT THE CARPET STAIN, THE CONCRETE FLOORS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET BATHROOMS AND UH, A KITCHEN AREA THAT ALL THAT HAS TO BE UP TO THE ADA A STANDARDS. WE HAVE MONEY TO FILL WITH THAT. NO, NOT IN THIS NEXT BUDGET. NOT IN THIS BUDGET. BUT IF WE CAN EXPLORE SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, YOU KNOW YEAH. ACADEMIC CENTER. WE CAN DO DOW ANNEX, WHICH IS ABOUT MORE WHAT ABOUT LEASING MORE SPACE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. BUT, BUT IF WE LEASE IT, THEN WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO STANDARDS IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE. SO IT'S GONNA COST US STILL, UNLESS YOU DO WHAT YOU DO WITH THE HISPANIC CHAMBER AND, UH, LET THEM, THEY PAY FOR THEIR, LET THEM REMODEL AND THEN TAKE THAT OFF OF THEIR, THEIR LEASE. BUT THAT DOESN'T BRING ANY MONEY. BUT IF IT FIXES A PROBLEM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE CIVIC CENTER, WE DON'T HAVE IN MEETING AREAS OTHER THAN THE REC CENTER. THERE'S GONNA BE A, THERE'LL BE A NICE THAT THAT K KOFT HAS GOT SOME NICE ROAD IN, IT'S A HUGE TRAINING FACILITY, YOU KNOW, FOR, TO GET US OR WHATEVER COMES UP, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING ABOUT THAT AFTER THEY MOVE OUT OF THERE. YEAH. WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT. 'CAUSE THE VICIOUS IS GONNA SIT THERE. THAT TO ME AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A WASTE. WE SPENT HOW MUCH, WHAT HAVE WE BOUGHT? $2 MILLION. YEAH. AND IT'S, IT'S SERVED US VERY WELL OVER THE LAST YEAR, BUT NOW IT'S HAVE A BIND. YEAH. IT'S GOTTEN US OUT OF A HUGE BIND, BUT THEN IT'S SITTING OVER THERE AND WE'RE JUST A LANDLORD TO FOURTH OF IT FOR NOTHING. YEAH. FOR NOTHING. BASICALLY WE CAN MAKE THE WAR ROOM OVER THERE. [06:10:01] WELL IF IT, IF IT CAME DOWN TO US HAVING ANOTHER EMPTY BUILDING IN THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW. I'D RATHER BUDGET SOME MONEY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT SO WE CAN AT LEAST RENT IT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP OR SOMETHING. YEAH. MM-HMM . UH, AN AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND A MEETING. IT MAY BE A COUPLE MEETINGS, NOT JUST WITH A COUPLE OF OPPOSED IDEAS INCLUDE ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING BECAUSE I THINK ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING IS GONNA BE FIRST YOUR NEXT PRIORITY. MM-HMM . AND, AND GETTING SOMETHING DONE. 'CAUSE THAT BUILDING'S A 1950 SOMETHING BUILDING AND IT'S BEEN RETROFITTED TO DO THAT. AND YOU HAD SOME, SOME, UH, SOME CLAIMS BECAUSE OF THE SMELL. WE'VE, WE'VE BLOCKED THE SMELL FOR NOW. BUT THAT'S, TO ME THAT SHOULD BE, THAT SHOULD PRECIPITATE THE, THE ANNEX THAT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE FOR THE ANNEX. AND MAYBE DO SOMETHING WITH BOTH ANIMAL SERVICES IS IT'S A PROBLEM. OKAY. WELL YEAH, WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION THEN. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BUDGET? [COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL] I'M GONNA GO TO COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. I THINK WE'VE TALKED AT LENGTH. SO ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? YEAH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE REMEMBER. I DON'T, ANYWAY, I'LL JUST SAY THIS. UH, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT ON THE ENGINE ITEM? WHAT'S THAT? THE, BOTH THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND THE, FOR THE AND THE FOR DISCUSSION. YES, SIR. FOR DISCUSSION. UM, 'CAUSE WE GOTTA START MAKING PLANS IF WE'RE EVER GONNA DO SOMETHING. YES, SIR. TAKES A LAW FOR THINGS TO GET IN ACTION. SO I FELT LIKE WE GOTTA START AND THAT WOULD, I THINK IT'S, I KNOW IT IS, BUT I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM JOHN PETERSON ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY ON TAPE. I KNOW THAT THAT'S ALL THAT FD THAT THAT'S ON ON THE SDR. YEAH, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TWO YEARS. IT IS, IT IS. BUT IT'S JUST BEEN WANTING AN UPDATE ON THAT. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. WE WILL ADJOURN AT 2:51 PM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.