YEAH. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO AND GET STARTED. [DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL TO ORDER ] [00:00:03] I FELT BAD, I WAS SITTING HERE LOOKING AT ALL THE ANGLETON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. WE HAVE A FULL QUORUM PRESENT. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT'S IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AND THOSE LISTENING ONLINE. WE WILL FIRST ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE AND THEN REMAIN STANDING AS PASTOR PETE LOPEZ WITH SAINT JOHN LUTHERAN CHURCH GIVES US THE INVOCATION. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. [INVOCATION ] LET US PRAY. GOOD AND GRACIOUS LORD GOD, WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR THIS COMMUNITY OF ANGLETON AND FOR ALL WHO CALL IT HOME. BLESS OUR MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALL WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. GRANT THOSE HERE WISDOM IN THEIR DECISIONS. PATIENCE IN THEIR DISCUSSION. COMPASSION FOR THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE BEEN CALLED TO SERVE. MAY THEIR WORK SEEK THE COMMON GOOD, ESPECIALLY REMEMBERING THOSE WHOSE VOICES ARE TOO EASILY OVERLOOKED. KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE, STRENGTHEN OUR NEIGHBORS, AND GUIDE US TO WORK TOGETHER WITH RESPECT AND GOODWILL. BLESS THIS MEETING AND ALL THAT IS UNDERTAKEN HERE TONIGHT. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL, I HAVE ONE. [CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ] HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY OTHERS? MISS ADAMS, DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AGENDA ITEM NINE, OR DO YOU WANT TO TALK NOW? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE. MOVING ON TO CEREMONIAL PRESENTATIONS. [1. Presentation of Certificates of Recognition to Harrison Gregory and Gunner Gutzman for the Royal Rangers Gold Medal of Achievement Award.] ITEM NUMBER ONE. PRESENTATION OF CERTIFICATES OF RECOGNITION TO HARRISON GREGORY AND GUNNAR GUZMAN FOR THE ROYAL RANGERS GOLD MEDAL OF ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. GENTLEMEN, WILL YOU PLEASE COME UP AND COUNCIL, WILL YOU PLEASE GO TO THE FRONT? DON'T BE NERVOUS. CONGRATULATIONS. A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. I HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION AND RECOGNITION OF HARRISON GREGORY FOR THE ROYAL RANGERS GOLD MEDAL OF ACHIEVEMENT AWARD. SIGNED THIS DAY, 25TH DAY OF AUGUST 2026. HARRISON. CONGRATULATIONS. THIS IS ALSO A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION. RECOGNITION OF GUNNAR GUZMAN. THAT'S RIGHT. FOR THE ROYAL RANGERS GOLD MEDAL OF ACHIEVEMENT AWARD IN RECOGNITION. SIGNED ON THIS DAY, 25TH DAY OF AUGUST 2026. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. I THINK YOU'RE BOTH TALLER THAN ME. CONGRATULATIONS. THEY WANT TO GET UP THERE. YEAH. WHAT IS THE ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT TO YOU AS THE HARDEST ACHIEVEMENT TO GET THAT ON? HARD WORK AND DEDICATION. YEAH. GOOD QUESTION. DEFINITELY CONSISTENCY. THAT'S EXCELLENT. I DO BOY SCOUTS AND I ALWAYS ASK THE BOYS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GOING. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SOMETIMES STOP AND THINK ABOUT THAT. I WAS TELLING ME ONE TIME A DOLLAR DONATION TO THE BOY SCOUTS, AND HE SAID, I DIDN'T FINISH, BUT I WANT YOU TO TELL THE BOYS TO KEEP GOING, SO I'M GOING TO RELAY THAT TO YOU AS WELL. JUST KEEP GOING. AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO IN LIFE, YOU APPROACH IT THE SAME WAY YOU DID THIS. JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO. TALKING ABOUT THE LIBERATION OF REAL PROPERTY. AND WE WOULD. OKAY TO TALK TO DELIBERATE A REAL PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, RIGHT? AND THEN THAT WOULD OPEN IT UP TO OPEN SESSION. IF RIGHT NOW, IF YOU THINK LIKE, I MEAN, HOLD ON, LET ME LET ME SEE IF WE CAN PULL IT OUT OF CLOSED SESSION IF WE HAVE TO, [00:05:08] IF WE'RE SAYING THERE WAS, I MEAN, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BECAUSE I STILL HAVE TO DO AN UPDATE ON IT AND THEN THEY CAN COME OUT AND DO IT THEN. YES. THEN I MEAN, YES, BECAUSE THE LAST THING IS. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. [CONSENT AGENDA ] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 6TH, 2026 AND AUGUST 13TH, 2026 AND THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 11TH, 2026. ITEM NUMBER THREE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT FOR JUNE 30TH, 2026. COUNSEL. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SARTIN. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH FOR APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. [4. Conduct a public hearing, discussion and take possible action on approving Ordinance No. 20260714-006, amending Chapter 5, buildings and Chapter 7, "fire prevention and protection", of the code of ordinances to adopt and upgrade existing codes to the 2024 international building code, the 2024 international swimming pool and spa code, the 2024 international residential code, the 2024 international plumbing code, the 2024 international mechanical code, the 2024 international fuel gas code, the 2024 international energy conservation code, the 2024 international existing building code, the 2023 National Electrical Code (NEC), and the 2024 international property maintenance code, each as published by the international code council, inc.; providing certain amendments and deletions to said standard codes. (Note that this public hearing remained open and continued).] CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 20260714-006. AMENDING CHAPTER FIVE BUILDINGS. IN CHAPTER SEVEN, FIRE PREVENTION AND PROTECTION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ADOPT AND UPGRADE EXISTING CODES TO THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE. THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE, THE 2024 EXISTING BUILDINGS CODE, THE 2023 NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE, AND THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. EACH IS PUBLISHED BY THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, INC., PROVIDING CERTAIN AMENDMENTS AND DELETIONS TO SAID STANDARD CODES. NOTE THAT THIS IS. PUBLIC HEARING REMAINED OPEN AND CONTINUED. HI, OTIS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AS STATED, THIS IS THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING WHICH HAS REMAINED OPEN IN REGARDS TO OUR BUILDING CODE UPGRADES. WE'VE LISTED THEM ALL SINCE YOUR LAST MEETING. WHAT WE'LL DO IS JUST QUICKLY UPDATE YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE HAVE POSTED THE COMPARISON CHART, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO VIEW ALL OF THE CHANGES FROM OUR CURRENT 2015 CODE ONTO ELECTRICAL 2023, AS WELL AS THE BUILDING CODE AT 2024. THAT COMPARISON TABLE WILL BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FRONT PAGE. ALSO SINCE THAT LAST TIME, CAL HAS ALSO DONE INITIAL SOME ADDITIONAL, EXCUSE ME RESEARCH ON WHAT WOULD BE THE INCURRED COST TO A PERMIT IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE 2024 CODE? SO HE WILL PASS THOSE OUT TO YOU, AS WELL AS JUST UPDATE YOU ON SOME OF THOSE COSTS TO A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME. WE'LL SAY THAT OUR CONSULTANTS ARE ON THE AUDIO AGAIN, JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE SOME PARTICULAR QUESTIONS OR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON AS WELL. WE HAVE THOSE THINGS AVAILABLE TO YOU. ALSO, WE DID UPDATE THE SLIDE DECK SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY CATCH UP WITH THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE PLACED SOME ATTENTION TO SINCE THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS. SO I'LL END THERE AND LET COW COME UP AND MAYBE DISCUSS THOSE NUMBERS THAT HE RECEIVED FROM SOME OF HIS CONSTITUENTS REGARDING THE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME COST. AND THEN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THESE I SAT DOWN WITH THE THE TRADES, BASICALLY SOME OF THE COMPANIES AND GOT. AND THIS WOULD BE HIGHEST ESTIMATE. I JUST FIGURED WE'D LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT COULD DEFINITELY BE A LITTLE CHEAPER. JUST GETTING WHAT YOU KNOW, IF WE GO TO THE 24 CODE, WHAT IT WOULD CHANGE THERE AS FAR AS YOUR MEPS, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING AND THEN TALKING WITH SEDNA ENGINEERING ON ROOFING AND WINDSTORM, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICAL AND IS IN MECHANICAL, WHICH DEALS WITH ELECTRICAL, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST JUMP BECAUSE OF BREAKERS. THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE WHOLE BOX. JUST GOING TO COST, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SET DOWN WITH ONE OF THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING EVERY HOW MANY CIRCUITS CIRCUITS IN THE HOUSE, YOU'RE TALKING $30 BREAKERS GOING TO GO TO 100 GIVE OR TAKE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 20 CIRCUITS, $2,000. SO AND AS I THINK WE [00:10:10] MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WITH SEDNA SITTING DOWN, THE ROOFING WILL CHANGE SOME DOUBLE UNDERLAYMENT UNDER YOUR SHINGLES IS PROBABLY AND MAYBE A COUPLE MORE SHEETS OF PLYWOOD ON THE SHEAR WALL INSIDE, LIKE THE GARAGE, THE HOUSE WALL THERE. NOT A BIG CHANGE THERE. WINDOWS, DOORS. THEY ALREADY MEET THAT CODE. YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERING FROM THE WINDSTORM THEY'RE ALREADY DOING. REALLY? NO MORE COST WITH THEM. THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT. THAT WOULD MEET YOUR WINDOWS. AND DOORS ARE ALREADY MEETING THAT CODE TODAY. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF A BREAKDOWN WITH THE NORMAL HOW YOU KNOW, THREE TWO HOUSE. OF COURSE, COULD CHANGE IF YOU'RE BUILDING A CUSTOM HOME OR, BUT JUST YOUR BASIC THREE, TWO, PROBABLY 15, 1600FT². AND THEN THERE'S VARIABLES LIKE THEY WERE TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM IN THESE NEWER HOMES NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SO TIGHT, THE INSULATION REQUIREMENTS, THE WHAT HAVE YOU THERE. A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, FOUR TON UNIT, A LOT OF THEM ARE DROPPING DOWN, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF TON UNIT IS DOING WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO. SO THERE COULD BE A LITTLE COST SAVINGS THERE. JUST DEPENDING. BUT THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES THE THE HIGHEST OF THE ESTIMATE. WHAT WOULD BE ADDED TO A COST OF A HOUSE. DON'T THINK DEFINITELY WOULDN'T BE MORE UNLESS YOU'RE JUST BUILDING A VERY LARGE HOME. I HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. MAYOR PRO TEM ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE ADVERTISING OF THESE CODES. HAVE WE PUT ANYTHING ON ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIAS ABOUT THIS RECENTLY? SINCE THE LAST MEETING. I DON'T THINK WE EVER DID. WE HAVE A WEBSITE. WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. WELL, I'M ON THE WEBSITE AND IT'S THE SECOND THING UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I MEAN, IT'S NOT EVEN ON OUR FRONT PAGE SPLASH. SO, I MEAN, I REALLY WISH WE WOULD DO THAT SO THAT IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE HITS AND, AND VISIBILITY. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT GETS PUT ON SOCIAL MEDIAS ALL ALL ACROSS. I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING OR REMODELING KNOW WHAT'S COMING. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY CHANCE OF THEM NOT SEEING IT. KYLE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED FEEDBACK? YOU SAID, I THINK I JUST ALLUDED TO THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S A LITTLE I MEAN, MOST OF LIKE I SAID, MOST EVERYBODY IS THERE ALREADY AT THE 21. EVERYTHING I SEE IS. 21 YOU KNOW NOW LIKE TALKING WITH THESE. OF COURSE THE ELECTRICIANS ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, HIS ADDED COST. BUT, YOU KNOW, MOST ALL THESE I TALKED TO ARE LIKE, WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE ALREADY ADJUSTED THESE COSTS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING IT PRETTY MUCH. IT'S JUST A MATTER. NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WINDSTORM AND STUFF STATES THERE ALREADY. SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ALREADY THEY'RE USED TO IT AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU DO GET A. YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE THE, A LITTLE FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DOUBLE UNDERLAYMENT ON THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A WINDSTORM, PROBABLY LESS CHANCES. IT'S GOING TO LEAK IF YOU GOT A COUPLE LAYERS OF UNDERLAYMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE. AND WITHOUT NOT MUCH COST INCREASE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE ENERGY I THINK IS PRETTY BIG. THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GOING TO HAVE. I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR MOST COST, RIGHT? BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN DEFINITELY HAVE A WELL, THEY'RE SAYING 20%, YOU KNOW, IN THESE NEW HOMES MORE EFFICIENT THAN ONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AN OLDER HOME WITH THE INSULATION REQUIREMENTS AND EVEN THE DUCTWORK, YOU KNOW, [00:15:01] ON YOUR, IN YOUR ATTIC FOR THE AC UNIT, IT'S JUST DEFINITELY MORE EFFICIENT. AND ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S REMODELING THEIR HOME? THEY HAVE JUST, YOU KNOW, BE A LOT OF VARIABLES THERE DEPENDING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I MEAN, ON A REMODEL, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THEY GO IN AND GUT A HOUSE TOTALLY TO THE STUDS AND, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE FLOORING STUDS. THEY'RE ME AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE TO THE CODE IN, YOU KNOW, INSULATION REQUIREMENTS. ELECTRICAL IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE IN THE HOUSE. IT'S THE SERVICE BOX. IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT, THEY'RE JUST REWIRING THE INSIDE. IT'S THE SAME PLUMBING. IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO DO IN THE NEW CODE, YOU DIDN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF ADDED COST IS USED TO. YOU HAD TO INSULATE THE WATER LINES THREE FEET DOWN HERE, INSIDE THE OUTSIDE WALL, THREE FEET. NOW IT'S ALL WATER LINES IN THE 24 CODE. SO LIKE THEY WERE SAYING, PROBABLY A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS OR MAYBE DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG THE HOUSE IS, BUT THEY HAVE TO INSULATE ALL THE WATER LINES. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE SAME IF THEY'RE GUTTING A HOUSE. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IT UP TO ME, UP TO CODE, OR IF THEY'RE DOING 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE HOME. YOU KNOW, IF THEY TEAR APART THE HOUSE OUT. BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING SOME REMODELING THEIR KITCHEN OR LIVING AREA AND. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MAYBE A PORTION, THAT LITTLE PORTION OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM BRING THE WHOLE HOUSE UP BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING THAT PART OF THE HOUSE. COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE ARE IN A PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM, YOU CAN APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION. OKAY. AND IF I MAY REITERATE, WE DO HAVE THE APPEALS PROCESS PROPOSED AND AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS AND BUILDERS CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD GO BEFORE OUR BOARD OF ZONING, ZONING ADJUSTMENTS OR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO HEAR ANY HARDSHIP ISSUES, SOME OF WHICH HOW HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVER CERTAIN BUILDING CODES FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE TO COME UP WITH OTHER METHODS TO ACHIEVE THE SAME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ADD FROM SAFE BUILD OR ANYTHING, BUT I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH CAUGHT UP. I THINK WE SEE SO FAR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC. THERE'S NO URGENCY TO APPROVE TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE TIMING. SO WHATEVER YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH. IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THESE CODES THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW IS NOT APPLICABLE TO ANGLETON SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE. WE WANT TO WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT. PLEASE MAKE THAT SUGGESTION BEFORE WE ADOPT THIS. YEAH, ESPECIALLY ON THE ENERGY CONSERVATION SIDE. YEAH. I MEAN, I'VE ASKED THAT, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE JUST DEALING WITH THEM EVERY DAY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOTHING REALLY IS A BIG STANDOUT. THE EV STATIONS, THE EV STATIONS. YEAH. WE JUST THINK WE'VE HAD TWO. SO. YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE OFF AT SOME POINT, BUT YEAH, BUT ISN'T THAT SO MANY SQUARE FEET OF A COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE HAS TO HAVE A, SOME TYPE OF EV PORT PARKING? YEAH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, I KNOW THE ONLY ONE HERE IS GULF COAST AND THEY JUST PUT IN. BUT I THINK THAT'S IN THE CODE. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT JUST JUMPS OUT AT YOU AS THE BIGGEST THING ON RESIDENTIAL IS THE SERVICE AT THEIR HOME. A LOT OF THEM CAN'T HANDLE IT, YOU KNOW, AS IT SITS TODAY. AND THEN THEY GO ELECTRIC AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE UPGRADING. BUT OKAY, BUT NOTHING REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TERRIBLE. OR BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE WINDSTORM AND ALL. [00:20:03] IT'S ALREADY IT'S HAPPENING NOW. SO NOTHING'S CHANGING. OKAY. SO NOTHING THAT I KNOW OF. OTIS. WHEN DID WHEN DID WE FIRST POST THIS? SO WE HAVE WE STARTED THIS, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST 3 OR 4 MEETINGS PRIOR. I THINK IT WAS JUNE. YOUR FIRST YEAR WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND JUNE OR SO. IS IT TYPICAL FOR US TO KEEP THAT MUCH NOTICE? I THINK WE'RE SAFE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE BY BEING KEPT OPEN, JUST AS LONG AS WE ADVERTISE IT PROPERLY. AND I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE EXHAUSTED THE PUBLIC INPUT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. WE COULD HAVE ACHIEVED THE SAME THING BY A GRACE PERIOD EITHER WAY. BUT AS WE'VE STATED TO YOU IF THE TIME WERE TO COME WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS, WE DO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S DESIRE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK. I GUESS WE'RE STILL IN A PUBLIC MEETING. I'LL SAY MY COMMENTS. PUBLIC COMMENTS. GO AHEAD. WELL, I MEAN, THE DELIBERATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN AFTER THE WHEN THE MEETING PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. BUT YOU CAN MAKE A COMMENT IF YOU'D LIKE TO. YEAH. I'M OPEN TO A GRACE PERIOD IN MAKING TAKING ACTION. WHERE'S THE REST OF THE COUNCIL STAND ON THAT. OKAY, THEN I NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE NOW OUT OF PUBLIC HEARING. SO? SO I DON'T KNOW WHY A GRACE PERIOD IS REALLY NECESSARY, AS WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH AND MAKING AMENDMENTS FOR OUR NEEDS. I MEAN, I THINK I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC COMING IN AND APPLYING FOR PERMITTING AND THAT THAT'S KIND OF GOING TO BE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO TO SEE IT TO. YES. AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID FROM THE GET GO, IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO KIND OF BE A LIVING THING THAT THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO NAIL SOME OF THESE THINGS DOWN BEFOREHAND. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD CODIFY THAT OUR COMMERCIAL PARTNERS IN THE CITY SHOULD HAVE TO PUT IN EV STATIONS. I MEAN, YOU CHARGE YOUR CHARGE, YOUR EV AT YOUR HOUSE. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULDN'T BE AN EXPENDITURE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO. I THINK THE MARKET WOULD DICTATE THAT SOMEBODY GETS TICKED OFF AT HEB OR KROGER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHOLE FOODS HAS THREE EV CHARGERS. THEY. THEY'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE FORCED BY CODE TO PUT IT IN. AND THAT'S IF ANYBODY'S LISTENING OVER THERE. I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR PROACTIVE. YEAH. PROACTIVE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE. BUT IF THERE ARE THINGS IN THE CODE THAT ARE SPEAKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW MITIGATION, MITIGATION OF STRUCTURAL ISSUES RELATED TO I DON'T KNOW, OTIS EARTHQUAKES. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES. AND SO YOU JUST SCRATCH THROUGH THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OTIS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YOU'RE LOUD AND CLEAR. HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I HOPE EVERYBODY'S DOING WELL. JUST AS A RESPONSE TO TO THOSE THAT COMMENT. AND HEATHER, FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU WOULD JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND. OH, I'M SORRY, IT'S HEATHER CHERRY. I'M WITH SAFE BUILT SUBCONTRACTING CONTRACTING WITH ADORA. IN REGARDS TO THE PORTIONS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT APPLY TO ANGLETON, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE, THE BUILDING CODE ALONE IS THOUSANDS OF PAGES. [00:25:04] SO EVERY INSTANCE THAT IT ACCOUNTS FOR ISN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO EVER OCCUR IN ANGLETON. BUT GENERALLY, MOST MUNICIPALITIES DO NOT GO THROUGH AND EDIT OUT ANY EVENTUALITY THAT MAY NOT OCCUR THERE LIKE SUCH AS THE EARTHQUAKES, THINGS LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS THE EV CHARGERS GO FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS JUST A REQUIREMENT BLATANTLY OUT FOR A NEW COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. IT DOES HELP YOU REGULATE HOW THEY CAN BE INSTALLED IF THAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS CHOOSES TO WANT TO PUT THEM ON SITE, IF THEY'RE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, A NEW BUSINESS SOMEWHERE, BE IT A GAS STATION, A GROCERY STORE, WHAT HAVE YOU. OR JUST AN EV CHARGING STATION OUTRIGHT. THE IBC WILL OUTLINE HOW THEY CAN DO SO SAFELY WITHIN CODE, BUT IT DOESN'T MANDATE THAT THEY MUST PUT ONE THERE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE 2024 A REALLY BIG EARMARK AS FAR AS THE IFC AND THE IRC GO, IS THAT IT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES HOW TO BEST HANDLE THE RESIDENTIAL INSTALLATION OF THOSE EV CHARGING STATIONS. AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, MORE AND MORE ELECTRIC CARS ON THE ROAD. AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE OWNERS NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A STEADY PLACE TO CHARGE THEIR VEHICLES. SO THIS WAS THE FIRST CODE YEAR THAT REALLY DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ACROSS THE BOARD OF REGULATING THAT IN A SAFE WAY. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT FOR THAT. I HOPE THAT HELPS A LITTLE. YEAH, IT CLEARED IT UP PRETTY GOOD. MY PROBLEM WAS THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE SURPRISED ME. I GUESS MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS THE REASON I WANTED TO LET IT GO ON A LITTLE BIT LONGER WAS THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 90 DAYS FROM THE TIME WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT IT. AND MY EXPERIENCE UP HERE IS EVERY TIME WE TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AN ORDINANCE THAT AFFECTS THE CITY, IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM TIME TO DIGEST IT, THEN WE USUALLY HEAR ABOUT IT LATER. SO I THINK 60 DAYS IS PROBABLY FAIR. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, THOUGH, THAT THE ONLY WAY WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S WRONG IS TO TURN IT ON AND THEN HAVE PEOPLE START TELLING US, HEY, THIS IS AN ISSUE, THIS IS AN ISSUE. BECAUSE WE CAN ADVERTISE AND PUBLISH AND DO ALL THAT. BUT UNTIL IT BECOMES APPLICABLE TO A SITUATION, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND IT AND WANT TO PUT IT IN, IN USE. SO I'M FINE EITHER WAY. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTION, YOU CAN TAKE ACTION. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE GUIDELINES BASED ON PROPOSED BEST PRACTICES, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WILL OR SHALL DO. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WERE NOT I APOLOGIZE COUNCIL I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT FOR THAT THAT MAY HELP SOME THE, ANOTHER IMPORTANT PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS THOSE KIND OF CONCERNS THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIC. MAYBE THERE IS SOME KIND OF CONSTRUCTION TYPE THAT YOU DON'T WANT OR SIZE THAT KIND OF THING WHEN YOU ALL ARE GOING THROUGH YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, THOSE ARE THE PLACES WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS AND REGULATIONS, THEREBY AVOIDING THE PROBLEM ALTOGETHER. BECAUSE LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE IVC COULD TELL YOU HOW TO BUILD A PYRAMID IN YOUR BACKYARD IF ANGLETON WILL LET YOU BUILD A PYRAMID IN YOUR BACKYARD. THAT'S WHERE YOUR ZONING REGULATIONS COME IN, BECAUSE THOSE ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST OF WHAT'S ALLOWED TO BE WHERE. AND THEN BASED ON WHAT'S ALLOWED TO BE CONSTRUCTED, WHERE AND IN WHAT WAY, THEN THE IVC AND THE IRC AND THE REST OF THE CODES WILL TELL YOU HOW TO DO WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THE CITY. SO YOUR ORDINANCE REIGNS SUPREME IN THE HIERARCHY HERE. THESE CODES ARE JUST A SAFETY REGULATION ON HOW TO SAFELY CONSTRUCT THOSE FOR THE LONG TERM WITHIN THE CITY. OKAY. WELL, COUNCIL, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE ACTION? AND YOUR ACTION COULD ALSO BE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WANT. IT'S UP TO YOU. [00:30:13] WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 20260714-006. AMENDING CHAPTER FIVE BUILDINGS AND CHAPTER SEVEN FIRE PREVENTION AND PROTECTION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ADOPT AN UPGRADE EXISTING CODES TO THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE, THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE, THE 2023 NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE PARENTHESES NEXT IN THE 2024 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE HAS PUBLISHED BY THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL. I WILL CONDITIONING ON TO GO INTO EFFECT ON OCTOBER THE 1ST OF 2026. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTIN FOR APPROVAL OF THE CODES. I, FOR ONE, AM THANKFUL. I DON'T HAVE TO SAY THAT EVER AGAIN. SO THANKS FOR DOING ME A FAVOR. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. I WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH, WITH THIS IS GOING TO COME A LITTLE BIT, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE RESPONSIBILITY ON YOU GUYS PART TO, TO DOCUMENT THINGS AS YOU COME ACROSS THEM AND, AND SEE THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE NOT APPLICABLE OR THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ORDINANCE AGAINST AND BRING THOSE TO OUR ATTENTION. SORRY FOR THE EXTRA WORK. I KNOW YOU HAVE ENOUGH ON YOUR PLATE ALREADY, BUT WELL, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. YES, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING THOSE AND IN FACT, WE ARE FLAGGING THOSE FOR A DURA BECAUSE THE ZONING PHASE WILL BE THE NEXT PHASE. SO YOU'LL SEE A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU'VE COVERED OVER THE LAST 2 TO 3 YEARS THAT I'VE COLLECTED SINCE 2022. OUTSTANDING TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE REAL SOON. WELL, WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL. AND MY, MY, STILL MY SAME COMMENT PREVAILS. I STILL WANT TO SEE THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA SO PEOPLE KNOW WE'LL DO. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER FIVE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 20260825-005. [5. Discussion and possible action on Resolution No. 20260825-005 setting the proposed Fiscal Year 2026-2027 tax rate and setting the date(s) and time(s) for the required public hearing(s). ] SETTING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027 TAX RATE AND SETTING THE DATE TIME FOR THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS. HI, SUSIE. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO SET THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT TAX RATE OF 0.515246. EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE SAME CURRENT TAX RATE, IT WILL STILL BE CONSIDERED AN INCREASE FOR YOUR PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS 0.508068. IT IS STILL CONSIDERED AN INCREASE TO YOUR PROPERTY TAXES. THE TAXES WILL BE THE SAME CURRENT TAX RATE. THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER THE 8TH AND ALSO THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE. COULD, COULD, COULD YOU MAYBE JUST HUMOR PEOPLE WATCHING, LISTENING ON WHAT THAT EXACTLY MEANS BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S A TAX INCREASE, BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE THE TAX INCREASE IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD A $50 MILLION PROPERTY VALUE INCREASE. SO IT'S A SO IT'S A FUNCTION OF REVENUE BROUGHT INTO THE CITY AND NOT AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. CORRECT. OR I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT. THE EVALUATION WAS 1 BILLION 996 AND LAST YEAR WAS ONE 1 BILLION 956. SO IT WAS AN INCREASE. SO THE ADDITIONAL WOULD HAVE BEEN BASED AT $0.50. AND SINCE WE'RE $0.51 AT THE CURRENT RATE IS CONSIDERED AN INCREASE. SO IT'S BASED ON THE PROPERTY VALUE THAT WE HAVE NOW WHICH IS AN INCREASE TO LAST YEAR'S. [00:35:02] SO FOR ANYONE WHO'S LISTENING, IF YOU PROTESTED YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AND THEY STAYED THE SAME OR WENT DOWN, YOU ARE NOT PAYING MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES. WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. CORRECT. ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTAL FACEBOOK EXPERTS. AND THIS IS THEIR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, AND IT IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TAX RATE. YES, SIR. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NO AND THE INS RATE. YES. DID OUR INS GO DOWN. OUR INS RATE DID GO DOWN SOME. SO WE MADE IT UP ON THE SIDE LAST YEAR. RIGHT. SO OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE IS INCREASING BUT OUR INS RATE DECREASED. THAT'S THE FLIP RIGHT. THAT IS A FLIP. SOMETHING I WAS LOOKING AT OVER THE WEEKEND. I WAS LIKE, EXCUSE ME ABOUT THAT. YOUR INTEREST RATE IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT THE CITY HAS, AND THAT IS ONLY DEBT THAT IS FUNCTION FOR YOUR GENERAL FUND AND STREET FUND. THE PROPERTY TAX PAYS FOR THOSE TYPE OF BONDS. ANY WATER AND SEWER BONDS ARE PAID BY THE WATER AND SEWER THEMSELVES. YEP. AND THEN I NOTICED OUR REVENUE YEAR OVER YEAR WENT DOWN BECAUSE OF THAT TRANSFER. CORRECT. BECAUSE OF THE TRANSFER FROM THE WATERFRONT. YES, SIR. WHICH IS CORRECT. YEAH. I I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT. I WORKED A LOT OVER THE WEEKEND ON THIS TO GET IT ALL TICKED AND TIED BACK TO YOU. SO JUST HUMOR ME FOR A SECOND. SINCE 24 BUDGET THIS YEAR IF YOU LOOK AT A COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH RATE OVER THREE YEARS. INCOME. PROPERTY TAX REVENUE HAS INCREASED ONLY 3% SINCE 24 IN TOTAL. THE TOTAL TOTAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY .15 PERCENT. THAT'S ALL THAT REVENUE HAS INCREASED IN THREE YEARS. THAT JUMPED OFF THE PAGE AT ME. WE WERE AT 19.48 AND 24. WE'RE AT 19.5, SEVEN AND 27. THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DOING WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE REVENUES WE'VE HAD. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. AND BEING ABLE TO PUT BACK INTO THE FUND BALANCE AND GET THE FUND BALANCE BACK IN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. THAT'S INCREDIBLE. NOW, I MEAN, I LOOKED AT OUR SPEND AS WELL. OUR SPEND HAS GONE FROM LOOKING AT THE SAME PERIOD, 18, ALMOST 19 MILLION. JUST SHY OF 19 MILLION TO 19.4. SO 400,000 ROUGHLY IN THAT SAME PERIOD. I'VE EXPENSE INCREASE. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH GREAT BUDGETING AND GREAT EXECUTION BY THE STAFF. I MEAN, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. SO. WHILE I'M NOT HAPPY THAT IT'S NOT THE NO NEW REVENUE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I OPERATE, I ALSO UNDERSTAND OUR REVENUES ARE DOWN NEXT YEAR. I ALSO LOOK AT I'M NOT LOOKING AT JUST YEAR OVER YEAR. I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT A TREND TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING AS A CITY. AND TO ME, THAT THAT JUMPED OFF THE PAGE TO ME FOR THE COUNCIL, I HAVE LIKE GRAPHS AND EVERYTHING FOR YOU ALL IF YOU WANT. I'VE GOT TRENDS FOR PERSONNEL FOR. MAINTENANCE SERVICES. SUPPLIES. YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR MISCELLANEOUS SPEND. YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR SUPPLIES, YOUR APPAREL, YOUR TRAVEL AND TRAINING. I GOT IT ALL. SO I'LL SEND THIS OUT SO COUNCIL CAN HAVE IT. WITH THE HELP OF COUNCIL AND THE HELP OF ALL THE DIRECTORS, WE DID KEEP A BUDGET THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 5% HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR, BUT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENTS. BUT IT WAS DUE TO THE HELP OF THE COUNCIL AND EVERYONE'S INPUT TO KEEP FOR THREE YEARS THE SAME BUDGETS AS WE HAD IN THE PAST. I AM MISSING ONE PIECE OF INFORMATION IN MY MY SPREADSHEETS. I WANT THE BWA RATES FROM 25 TO 26 AND 26 TO 27. THOSE HANDY. JUST GIVE ME TIME. I GIVE IT TO YOU BECAUSE I AM. I WANT TO SHOW JUST HOW MUCH OF AN INCREASE WE'RE SEEING OVER THOSE PERIODS. I HAVE THEM BACK FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS. I HAVE THAT I JUST DON'T HAVE THE LAST TWO YEARS FOR WHATEVER REASON. BUT YEAH, THIS YEAR WAS A THREE $0.30. $0.30. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 8TH. IT IS A ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY. COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE ACTION? [00:40:10] WE NEED ACTION TO SET THE TAX RATE AND TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE ACTION I NEED FROM THE COUNCIL. AND THE RESOLUTION IS ALSO A ROLL CALL. YEAH. HOLD ON. MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE SETTING. THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AT THE CURRENT RATE OF 0.515246 PER 100. OUR VALUATION. AND I CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE BUDGET AND TAX RATES FOR THE VOTE ON SEPTEMBER THE 8TH, 2026. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN. DANIEL. I COUNCILMAN SARTIN I COUNCILMAN SMITH. AYE COUNCILWOMAN SIMMONS. MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND I MAYOR, RIGHT I. YES. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SUSIE, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK. AND TO THE ENTIRE STAFF. WAY TO GO. WAY TO BRING US BUDGETS THAT WERE THE SAME AS LAST YEAR'S. AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE. THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE. SHOULD NEVER BE THROWING ALL THIS IN THERE. MAKES IT HARDER TO RECONCILE, THOUGH. I'LL TELL YOU THAT. ITEM NUMBER SIX DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN EXTENSION ON AN EXPIRED PLAT AS [6. Discussion and possible action on a request for consideration of an Extension on an expired plat as of December 22, 2024 for the Smart Storage Final Plat and consideration of a variance interpretation of City Council's prior action. ] OF DECEMBER 22ND, 2024 FOR THE SMART STORAGE FINAL PLAT AND CONSIDERATION OF A VARIANCE INTERPRETATION OF CITY COUNCIL'S PRIOR ACTION NOTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'LL INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. AS STATED, THIS IS SMART STORAGE FINAL PLAT AS STATED IN THE COVER AND AS WELL AS IN THE AGENDA SUMMARY. THIS WAS AN ACTION TAKEN BY COUNCIL BACK IN 2022. SO SINCE THAT TIME THE PLAT DID EXPIRE. TYPICALLY THESE TYPE OF PLATS WOULD HAVE BEEN A MINOR PLAT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF EXTENDING WATER AND SEWER SERVICES, IT KICKED IT OVER INTO A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT. SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION ON THAT FINAL PLAT. THE OWNER, RICK CLARK, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT TRYING TO MOVE THIS FINAL PLAT INTO RECORDATION. BASICALLY, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LDC, WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO RECORD A PLAT ABSENT THE INSTALLATION OF THE UTILITIES. IF YOU RECALL BACK ON THE ACTION OF THE FINAL PLAT, COUNCIL DID APPROVE A VARIANCE THAT WOULD DELAY THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PROJECT THAT YOU WERE TOLD AT THE TIME WOULD BE THE STORAGE FACILITY. SO WITH THE TECHNICALITY OF THE CODE, IT DID NOT NOT DID NOT ALLOW STAFF TO DO THAT RECORDATION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ALSO SELL THE LOTS, CONVEY THE LOTS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID AND WORKING WITH LEGAL, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GRANT THE PERMISSION TO HAVE THE PLAT RECORDED. SO THIS IS BEING BROUGHT BACK TO YOU. WE MET WITH MR. CLARK, AS WELL AS MIGUEL HERE WITH BAKER LAWSON. AND THEN WE WEIGHED THE OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES HERE. THEY'VE COME BACK TO YOU TO JUST LOOK AT THAT VARIANCE. LET'S TALK ABOUT CLARIFICATION IN TERMS OF WHAT HE NEEDS AND TRY TO FACILITATE WHAT HE NEEDS. SO WITHIN THE COVER I'VE GIVEN ALSO THE CONCEPT OF OPPORTUNITY THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FINAL PLAT, NUMBER ONE BEING CONTINUED WITH STAFF HAS NO ISSUES WITH CONTINUING THAT PLAT BECAUSE IF THEY WERE TO RESUBMIT, WE WOULD RESULT WITH THE SAME PLAT. THEY'VE DEDICATED THIS NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY. ALSO ANY EASEMENTS THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE CONTINUATION OF THE SERVICES OR UTILITIES. OUR CONCERNS WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE UTILITIES IS THAT IT WOULD ALLOW OPPORTUNITIES FURTHER OR ADJACENT TO THE SITE TO ALLOW TO CONNECT TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE. AS A, LET'S SAY, AN EXCEPTION. YOU MAY GRANT HIM HIS WISH AND THEN MAYBE REQUEST SOME FORM OF PERFORMANCE BOND SO THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT THAT EXTENSION OF SERVICES CAN BE EXTENDED. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. I'LL HAVE MIGUEL AND ALSO MR. CLARK EXPLAIN WHAT THEY WOULD HOPE TO DO. AND THEN MIGUEL CAN GIVE YOU MAYBE INFORMATION ON THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN TERMS OF WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE [00:45:02] AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. BUT THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS RICK CLARK. I'M REPRESENTING SMART STORAGE ANGLETON AND I COME BEFORE YOU ONCE BEFORE FOR A VARIANCE. WE WANT TO SPLIT THE 12 ACRE PROPERTY IN TWO. TWO PARCELS, ONE FOUR ACRE PARCEL, AND THEN THE REMAINDER EIGHT ACRES. WE'RE NOT READY TO START CONSTRUCTION ON ANYTHING, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME INTEREST IN THE CORNER PARCEL, WHICH WAS EIGHT ACRES. SO WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO REPLAT IT SO THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE CAN SELL THE EIGHT ACRES AND KEEP THE FOUR ACRES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. SO WHEN I CAME BEFORE YOU, BEFORE IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WEREN'T READY TO START RIGHT AWAY, BUT WE WANTED TO START THE REPLAT AND COUNCIL, AS I UNDERSTOOD, GAVE GAVE US A VARIANCE FROM PUTTING IN THE CITY SERVICES, SEWER AND WATER BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T NEED THEM AT THAT TIME, AND COUNCIL AGREED THAT THEY HAD A. THEY HAD THINGS IN THEIR FAVOR THAT IF IT. WHEN THE TIME CAME TO TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, THAT THEY HAD CONTROL, THAT THEY COULD CONTROL, THAT WE BROUGHT WATER AND SEWER TO THE PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, A PERFORMANCE BOND IS NOT NECESSARY. COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT, THAT PROPERTY. SO NOTHING CAN BE DONE UNLESS YOU SAY I CAN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR IT. SO WHEN THE TIME COMES AND YOU SAY TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT RICK CLARK, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN WATER AND SEWER AND I WOULD. SO I AGAIN, I THOUGHT THE LAST TIME WE MET THAT THAT'S HOW IT WAS. AGREED. AND THEN WHEN OTIS AND I MET LATER, IT WASN'T LIKE THAT. AND I GOT DISCOURAGED AND JUST LET IT SIT AND, SO WE'VE HAD SOME INTEREST IN THAT PARCEL. SO I'M BACK BEFORE YOU TO ASK THAT WE REPLANT IT WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE BRING WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES. IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT READY TO START DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD BE A HUGE COST THAT IS NOT NEEDED AT THIS TIME. AND THE CITY ALSO HAS THE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL WHAT GOES ON THERE. SO I COULDN'T START TO DEVELOP WITHOUT WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THE THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT PROPERTY. I HOPE I MAKE SENSE. ABSOLUTELY. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'VE HAD SOME INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY IS WHAT YOU SAID. WE'VE HAD SOME PHONE CALLS. YES. SO BY APPROVING THIS IN ITS CURRENT STATE, WITHOUT WATER AND SEWER RUNNING TO THE PROPERTY, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR PLAN CHANGES IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE INTEREST YOU'VE HAD. THAT MEANS HE HAS TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER PLAQUE. CORRECT. IN WHAT WAY? PLANS WOULD CHANGE? LET'S SAY ALL THE INTEREST YOU'VE RECEIVED, SOMETHING ELSE IS COMING IN AND YOU CHANGE. YOU SWITCH COURSES AND YOU GO TO THE SOMEBODY ELSE TO BUILD SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OH WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL ME OR WHOEVER OWNED IT THAT BEFORE WE CAN ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT, THAT THIS WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. IS THAT CORRECT? OTIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FROM THE PROFESSIONAL GUYS OVER HERE THAT THEY'RE IN AGREEANCE. IT'S JUST THAT WHEN NEW PROPERTIES COME IN, THEY HAVE THE EXPECTATIONS THAT THE CITY HAS CONNECTED THOSE SERVICES TO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT GUARANTEE. AND WE DON'T WANT A NEW PROPERTY OWNER TO COME IN AND EXPECT THE CITY TO, TO DO ANY EXTENSIONS OF THOSE UTILITIES. SO YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S THE TECHNICALITY. I THINK THAT'S WHY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS WRITTEN THAT WAY, TO PROTECT THE CITY'S INTERESTS, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO WE'LL BE DEALING WITH IN THE FUTURE. WE KNOW MR. CLARK, AND THE COMMITMENT WAS TO MR. CLARK AND HIS PROPOSAL AT THE TIME. THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS, IS THE CONVEYANCE OF PROPERTY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST THE WAY IT WAS PROPOSED BECAUSE YOU CAN [00:50:10] DEVELOP CERTAIN PLANTS THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO CONVEY PROPERTY MOST LIKELY. BUT THE WAY THIS WAS PROPOSED, THIS IS HOW WE HAD TO REVIEW IT. MIGUEL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT. TODAY OR TONIGHT. SO. SO WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING IT WITH OTIS, THERE WAS TALK THAT WE COULD PUT SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ANY PROSPECTIVE BUYER WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THERE AREN'T WATER OR CITY SERVICES AT THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME. AND I WILL SAY WHEN I BOUGHT IT, NO ONE WAS TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, SO BUT WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH PUTTING THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE. DID WE DISCUSS THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF, WE DID NOT GET A CONCLUSION FROM LEGAL THAT THAT WOULD COME UP WITH. THAT. THAT'S THE TECHNICALITY. JUST THE DISCLOSURE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE. WHATEVER WAS RECORDED NEEDS TO BE ACCURATELY REFLECTING WHAT IS DONE AND WHAT. HAS NOT BEEN DONE. AND THERE'S THE RECORDING OF THE PLOT AND HE'S ACCURATELY REFLECT WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT'S NOT THERE AT THAT TIME OF THE RECORDATION. COUNCIL. SO THE REQUEST IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN EXTENSION ON AN EXPIRED PLAT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LONGER A DAY. IS THAT WHAT THE EXTENSION IS THAT THE DISCUSSION HERE TODAY OR IS IT ABOUT WATER AND SEWER INSPIRATION AS PART OF THE CODE IS A TWO YEAR PERIOD ONCE THE FINAL PLAT TIME HAS ELAPSED. SO IS THERE A NEW DATE? SO EXPIRATION WOULD BE DECEMBER 12TH TO 13TH OF 2022. IF YOU WERE TO GIVE HIM AN EXTENSION, YOU WOULD MAKE THAT CURRENT OR PUT IT TWO YEARS OUT FROM TODAY, RIGHT? YES. BUT YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT MOTION. AND THEN OTIS, YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, AND HERE THE SUPPORT SHOWS A PERFORMANCE BOND IS ONE WAY OF HANDLING IT. THAT'S ONE WAY. DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT. YEAH. BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO A FINAL PLAY, WE ASSUME THAT THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION PLAN THAT'S BEEN DONE AND IT'S A SEQUENCE. IN THIS CASE THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION PLANS BEING SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL. HENCE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULTY. BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE SUGGESTION. LETTERS OF CREDITS ARE DONE BY OTHER CITIES, BUT THOSE ARE JUST OTHER OPTIONS OF THE CITY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GUARANTEE A CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT AS WE TALKED, THERE WERE SEVERAL WAYS TO DO IT WITHOUT THE BOND THAT THE CITY HAD HAD OPTIONS THAT THEY CONTROLLED WHAT WAS GOING TO GO ON THERE. AND WHEN I MISUNDERSTAND, IS THERE ALSO A REQUEST AT THIS TIME TO SPLIT TO 4.534 ACRES AND 7.856 ACRES? YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY DONE. THAT'S. ALL WE'RE ASKING BASICALLY TO DO IS KEEP THE PLAT IS AS IS, CLARIFY THE VARIANCE, CLARIFY THE VARIANCE AS IN TO THE EXPECTATION OF WATER. YES, SIR. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU KEEP THE FOUR ACRES BUT YOU SELL THE EIGHT ACRES AND THEN YOU WANT TO DEVELOP YOUR FOUR ACRES, BUT YOU CAN'T GET THE NEW BUYER WHO BOUGHT THE LAND TO RUN. [00:55:06] IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AT THAT TIME, THE CITY CAN SAY, WE WON'T GIVE A PERMIT TO. BOTH PROPERTIES HAVE UTILITIES THAT WON'T APPROVE A CONSTRUCTION ON ANY SITE UNTIL THE WATER AND SEWER ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED, OR CITY UTILITIES. AND WE DON'T MIND PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. THAT'S WHY WE WOULD DO IT. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING WE NORMALLY CONSIDER. I MEAN, HE JUST SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BUY TIME BEFORE YOU PUT IN ANY SORT OF WATER. WELL GOOD QUESTION. BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE SPINNING A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE WOULDN'T GET THE BENEFIT FROM UNTIL WE'RE READY TO DEVELOP. AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE COMPROMISING THE CITY. THE CITY STILL CONTROLS WHAT GOES ON THERE BEFORE ANYTHING CAN BE BUILT. IT'S JUST WE WERE HOPING THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT AS THAT WAY. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THE 12 ACRE NEW BUYER JUST LETS IT SIT THERE? AND THEN YOU WANT WATER AND SEWER FOR YOUR FOUR ACRES, BUT YOU JUST HAVE AN EASEMENT. THEN THE CITY SAYS, NO, WE WON'T GIVE A BUILDING PERMIT TO EITHER, EITHER. PARCEL TO WATER AND SEWER. COME IN. IS THAT HOW YOU UNDERSTAND IT, OTIS? IT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO PROVE EITHER CONDITION. I WOULD JUST HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT THE PLAT BE NOTED. WHERE IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT PERSON KNOWS THE EXPECTATIONS, THAT THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE. AND THIS IS NOT A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO EXTEND THOSE SERVICES TO THESE TWO LOTS. SO. WORST CASE SCENARIO, I WOULD AT LEAST RECOMMEND THAT MY CONCERN IS DISCLOSURE IN THE FUTURE THAT SOMEONE ELSE LOOKING AT THIS WOULD NOT EXPECT THE CITY TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT WE OTHERWISE CANNOT PROVIDE. I'M SORRY, MISS SIMMONS, YOU HAVE A QUESTION. ARE YOU LOOKING SO PERPLEXED? THIS IS SOMETHING I DON'T NORMALLY DO. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DOCUMENT IT? ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A BIG. THAT'S WHAT A VARIANCE DOES. THE VARIANCE IS AN ACTION OF THE COUNCIL. NO, THAT'S HE'S SAID IT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE RECORDED AS PART OF THE VARIANCE OF. WHAT I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, AND WHAT OTHERS I'LL REPEAT, JUST MIRROR WHAT HE'S SAYING. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEARLY NOTED EXACTLY WHAT IT IS ON THE FINAL RECORD PLAT OF WHAT WHAT THE BUYER CAN EXPECT FROM FROM THAT PROPERTY. IT'S THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY THAT I HAD WHEN I BOUGHT IT. YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY OWNER THAT I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM DID NOT PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER. WE'RE JUST ASKING TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY AND LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. THE SAME THING WILL GO WITH THE IF THE DECISION WAS TO ALLOW IT WITH A BOND, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTED AS PART OF IT, THAT THERE'S A. WE'RE ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE WITHOUT THIS PUT IN WITH THE CAVEAT OF. REQUIRED A PERFORMANCE BOND TO BE SUBMITTED TO GUARANTEE THE INSTALLATION OF THAT. ANYTHING THAT'S DONE JUST HAS TO BE SPELLED OUT. IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION HERE. ONE OTIS. THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS DO NOT LINE OUT VERY CLEARLY. THE CITY'S POSITION AND WHAT WE COULD DO. IT DOES MENTION THE BOND IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. BUT THEN THE FIRST THING HE SAID WAS WE DON'T WANT TO DO A PERFORMANCE BOND. AND THEN IT JUST SEEMS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCONNECTS HERE. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN DANIELS QUESTION IS VALID. AND IF, IF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO TAKE ACTION, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, MAKING SURE THAT THE EXTENSION, THE TIME PERIOD THAT COUNCILWOMAN SIMMONS MENTIONED IS MENTIONED. AND I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO LONG TERM WITH THE PROPERTY IS VERY CLEARLY SPELLED OUT. DO YOU WANT TO BOND? DO YOU NOT WANT TO BOND? DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS ALL CONTINGENT? SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN HERE THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ANSWERED AND SPELLED OUT VERY CLEARLY. [01:00:03] AND IN THE PERFORMANCE. PERFORMANCE BOND WAS JUST A SUGGESTION, RIGHT? BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY SUGGESTION IN HERE. RIGHT. THAT WAS THE ONLY SUGGESTION. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO GRANT BOTH ITEMS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED. STAFF DID NOT. WE DID NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE CODE AND THE WAY LEGAL INTERPRETED WHAT COUNCIL DID AT THE TIME. BECAUSE AT THE TIME YOU ALL THOUGHT THE STORAGE FACILITY WAS MOVING FORWARD. THE WAY, IF YOU READ THE MINUTES AND WATCH THE VIDEO, THERE WAS SOME CONFIDENCE THERE THAT THE PLAN CHANGED AND DEVIATED A LITTLE. THAT MADE IT MORE COMPLICATED. BUT WE WANTED TO PROTECT THE CITY AND THAT THAT WAS THE ONLY SUGGESTION OF THE PERFORMANCE BOND BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO KNOW WHO'S DOING WHAT WHEN AND GUARANTEED THAT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. SO. BUT THE NOTE ON THE PLANT IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. IT'S NOT A TYPICAL NOTE, BUT ANYONE PURCHASING THIS LOT WOULD GET THAT ATTACHMENT. IT'S A PART OF THE RECORD. IT'S BEEN DISCLOSED THAT THE CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE TO EXTEND THOSE SERVICES TO THESE TWO TRACKS. COUNCIL IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE THAT ON THE PLAT ALSO? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. WORST CASE SCENARIO, PLEASE DO THAT. YES. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT WAY IF THERE'S ANY CONFUSION, THEY JUST HAVE A PLAT AND THEY DON'T GET THE PAPER AND IT'S DISCLOSED AND MIGUEL. BUT NO, NO, THE DATE OF THE ACTION AND EVERYTHING ON THE PLAT. WE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE MEETING. WHOMEVER CAME TO DEVELOP, THEY HAVE TO DO THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING AND THEN WE'LL REFER TO THE DOCUMENTS. THIS IS NOT TYPICAL. WE WON'T DO THIS FOR EVERYONE, BUT THIS IS CONSIDERED A VERY VARIATION OF OUR NORM. AND COUNCIL HAS THAT ABILITY BASED ON HIS HEART. SO I APOLOGIZE, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY? WHAT IS THE NORM SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT THE VARIANCE IS? IT'S THE IN SEWERS BEFORE WE RECORD THE PLANT. RIGHT. OKAY. YES. THERE'S NO QUESTION. IT'S CLEAR. YES, SIR. THAT'S THE NORM. IT'S THE SAME SITUATION WHETHER IT STAYS ONE ONE SIZE OR SPLIT. IT'S THE SAME THING. YEAH. I MEAN, SO BASICALLY YOU'RE ASKING TO SPLIT IT INTO DEFER IT. I'M SO SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. YOU'RE ASKING TO SPLIT AND DEFER. DEFER THE WATER AND THE WATER AND SEWER UNTIL, I GUESS, A TIME OF A RECORDED FLAT. NO. HE'S GOT A RECORD OF DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. WHAT LANGUAGE DO WE WANT ON IT? THAT IS THE I MEAN YOUR ACTION COULD BE THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OF THE VERBIAGE. I MEAN Y'ALL, I, I HAVE A STRONG FEELING Y'ALL PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS AND YOU WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ON IT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ECHOING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT TOO. YES. THE NOTE WAS SPECIFIED THAT A VARIANCE WAS GRANTED SUBJECT TO LDC SECTION BLANK, BLANK, BLANK, AND THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EXTENDING PUBLIC UTILITIES TO THESE TWO TRACKS WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER. AND NOT THE CITY. SO I SPOKE WITH ROBIN AND DARRYL AT OUR OFFICE. BUT THIS IS THE NOTE THAT WE PUT ON THE PLAN. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF IT MEETS YOUR EXPECTATION. BUT IT'S NO. 12. IF DEVELOPMENT OF LOT ONE OCCURS FIRST, IT WILL REQUIRE EXTENDING WATERLINE FROM COUNTY ROAD THREE, 41 HENDERSON ROAD WITHIN THE 20 FOOT. WITHIN THE DEDICATED 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT ADJACENT TO COUNTY ROAD 340 GLASNIK ROAD TO SERVE LOT ONE AND LOT TWO. IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE EXTENDING SANITARY SEWER FROM. FM 523 WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF COUNTY ROAD 340 TO SERVE LAWSUITS. SIMILARLY. SIMILARLY, IF. IF BLOCK TWO IS DEVELOPED FIRST, IT WILL REQUIRE ANY WATER LINE FROM COUNTY ROAD 341. WITHIN THE DEDICATED 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT ADJACENT TO COUNTY ROAD 340 TO [01:05:10] SERVE LOT ONE. IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE EXTENDING SANITARY SEWER FROM FM 523 WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO COUNTY ROAD 340. AGAIN, JUST SAY. SO. IT WILL REQUIRE THE OWNER TO EXTEND. OWNER WILL BE REQUIRED. THE OWNER WILL BE REQUIRED. SO TO SUMMARIZE THIS AND THEN FOLLOWING UP LAST LINE SHOULD SAY AFTER TWO. THIS IS NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. WE CAN ADD THAT PART. I JUST MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR. BUT TO SUMMARIZE, BASICALLY WHOEVER IS THE FIRST ONE TO DEVELOP, WHETHER IT'S NOT ONE OR LOT TWO, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THE WATER AND SEWER TO SERVICE BOTH LOTS. IT'S JUST WHOEVER COMES FIRST WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. OKAY, I CAN DO THAT. WHAT WAS THE AUTHORITY OF THE CITY SAID? IT'S NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. SO I'LL JUST PUT DOWN AT THE VERY END OF IT. THE CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR EXTENSION OF SERVICES. I WANT TO GO TO THAT VERY FIRST LINE. IT SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE. WHAT DID YOU DID YOU ENTER, DELINEATE AND ADD? THE OWNER IS REQUIRED. CORRECT. INSTEAD OF. IT WILL REQUIRE. IT SHOULD SAY THE OWNER OF SUBJECT PLOT. WELL, YES. SO THE FIRST SENTENCE AND ABOUT FOURTH LINE MIDDLE. OKAY. AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE WITH THE CORRECTED NUMBER 12 AS PRESENTED ON THE BOARD IN FRONT OF US, WITH THE LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY ARTICULATING THAT THE OWNER IS REQUIRED TO EXTEND THE WATER LINES DEPENDING ON WHATEVER ORDER IS PRECEDED, AND THAT THE CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE. SECOND. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SARTIN FOR APPROVAL WITH THE GRAMMATICAL CHANGES. AND DO YOU WANT TO GIVE AN EXTENSION FOR A PERIOD OF YEARS? JUST APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT TODAY. JUST FINAL. THAT WOULD EXTEND. OKAY. THERE WE GO. THROUGH THE FINAL PLAT. YEP. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIGUEL, WHY DID YOU MAKE US WAIT SO LONG BEFORE YOU GOT UP THERE? REALLY SORRY. I WANT TO THANK YOU AS WELL. AND I'M GRATEFUL. AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE FOR TAKING SO MUCH TIME. SO IT'S MIGUEL'S FAULT. IF I PAY HIM THE BIG BUCKS FOR IT? THAT'S RIGHT. ITEM SEVEN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HUB [7. Discussion and possible action on a proposed Texas Department of Transportation Hub Project.] PROJECT. HELLO, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. OKAY. GIVE ME THE MICROPHONE TO THE SCREEN UPON OCCASION. AND SO HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW YOU WITH THE MICROPHONE. HE SAID HE CAN HEAR ME. THE BOUNDARY. MIKE SHOULD CATCH HER. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. OH. IT'S OKAY. SO IF WE WANT TO PULL UP THE PRESENTATION. SO I'M HERE TONIGHT. MY NAME IS CATHERINE MCCRAY AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DISTRICT TRANSPORTATION PLANNING FOR THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, HOUSTON DISTRICT. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR OLD AREA OFFICE SITE ON EAST ORANGE AND HOW WE ARE PROPOSING TO REPURPOSE THAT LAND. AND SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. [01:10:04] SO, BUT FIRST, I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO REPURPOSE THAT LAND. AND WE DIDN'T JUST DO WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO. AND THAT IS CONSIDER IT SURPLUS AND SELL IT OFF. WE ACTUALLY ASKED OUR ADMINISTRATION TO HOLD OFF SELLING THAT BECAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE OF INITIATIVES GOING ON. ONE WAS LOCAL AND THEN ONE WAS A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE AND THEY WERE KIND OF CONVERGING. AND THIS WAS AN AREA THAT WAS CONVERGING. AND WE OWN THIS PROPERTY VERSUS HAVING TO GO OUT AND BUY SOMETHING. AND SO WE SAW IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY. ABOUT 5 TO 6 YEARS AGO. HOUSTON DISTRICT EMBARKED ON A AN INITIATIVE CALLED THE REAL PLAN, AND IT WAS THE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL. YOUR REGIONAL PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR THIS REGION HAD LOOKED AT THE EIGHT COUNTY REGION AND DONE A HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT PROPOSAL FOR THIS ENTIRE REGION, AND AS TEXDOT, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO USE A LOT OF OUR ROADWAYS AND WE SAID, HOLD ON, TIME OUT. WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND OUR OWN SYSTEM AND HOW OUR SYSTEM WOULD FEED INTO THAT SYSTEM. AND SO WE WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE TOOK A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE, KIND OF TAKING, KIND OF JUMPING OFF OF WHAT THE HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT TASK FORCE DID. AND WE EMBARKED ON THE REAL PLAN, THE REGIONAL EXPRESS ACCESS LANES PLAN. COMING OUT OF THAT PLAN, WE CONCEIVED A COUPLE OF THINGS. NUMBER ONE, HOW WE WOULD USE MANAGED LANES ALONG OUR INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS TO CONNECT TO MOBILITY HUBS. AND WE ACTUALLY KIND OF CONCEIVED THE IDEA OF MOBILITY HUBS TO EFFICIENTLY AND MORE SAFELY MOVE TRAVELERS BETWEEN POINTS OF INTEREST. AND SO ULTIMATELY THAT OUR WORK OVER ABOUT TWO YEARS TIME FRAME, WE DEVELOPED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PRESENT A LONG TERM VISION FOR HOW OUR SYSTEM WOULD MORPH OVER TIME. AND WHEN I SAY I'M A PLANNER, THAT MEANS I'M LIKE THE SCOUT ON A WAGON TRAIN, RIGHT? I RIDE OUT WAY FAR AHEAD AND I TRY TO CHART THE COURSE. SO WE'RE USUALLY TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO. A LOT OF TIMES IN 2040, 20, 45, 2050, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE PLANNERS LIE. WITH THAT, WE PROPOSED A PLAN THAT WAS AN INTERCONNECTED, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT WAS TIED TOGETHER THROUGH MOBILITY HUBS. NEXT SLIDE. AND WE WANT AN AGILE SYSTEM THAT CAN MORPH OVER TIME. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO MAKE THE KIND OF INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE. AND THEN JUST DO IT. WE WOULD HAVE TO MORPH THAT SYSTEM OVER TIME. AGAIN, WE'RE PROPOSING A CONNECTED SYSTEM WHERE MOBILITY HUBS ARE TIED DIRECTLY INTO THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM SO THAT PEOPLE COULD. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION. SO MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IS ALL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION. AND THIS IS FROM WALKING, BICYCLING, SCOOTERS. IF CITIES ALLOW THAT, COUNTIES ALLOW THAT TO CARS, TO FREIGHT TO BUSSES AND ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN TRUCKS, TRAILERS, TRUCKS, FOUR WHEELERS, GOLF CARTS. TRUE. SO IN SOME CASES, WE HAVE SOME CITIES THAT ARE PROPOSING TO SOME OF THOSE COASTAL CITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO USE GOLF CARTS ALONG OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. SO THAT'S A ROUNDABOUT TOO. OH YEAH. ROUNDABOUT. SO AND WE WANT IT TO BE SCALABLE AND APPROPRIATE TO THE FACILITY OR THE ROADWAY THAT IT'S CONNECTING INTO. SO NEXT SLIDE. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO JUMP THROUGH THIS, BUT THIS IS REALLY TELLING YOU WHY, WHY THE AREA OFFICE. AND SO WHAT WAS DRIVING THE REAL PLAN AGAIN? WE HAVE MOBILITY. WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION, WE HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT. WE HAVE FREIGHT. WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S COMING OUT, RIGHT? WE HAVE DISRUPTORS THAT ARE HAPPENING, DRONES UBER, YOU KNOW THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF BEING PUT INTO THE SYSTEM AND WE'RE HAVING TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY CONSIDER THESE THINGS AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH OUR SYSTEM AND HOW TRAVELERS MAY WANT TO UTILIZE THESE SERVICES IN THE FUTURE. AND WE WANTED A WAY TO TO PROPERLY CONSIDER THEM. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE ONGOING REGIONAL INITIATIVES. AS I TALKED AS I SAID, THE HOUSTON-GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL, YOUR METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION, WAS PROPOSING A SIGNIFICANT HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT INVESTMENT THROUGHOUT THIS REGION THAT WOULD LARGELY RUN ON THE STATE SYSTEM. [01:15:03] AND WE NEEDED A WAY, AGAIN, TO PROPERLY CONSIDER THAT. NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT IS A MOBILITY HUB? WE KNOW WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE. MANAGED LANES ARE KIND OF JUST A MORPH FROM WHAT STARTED OUT TO BE AN HOV LANE. AND ORIGINALLY THOSE HOV LANES WERE THEY WERE OPERATED IN ONE DIRECTION IN THE MORNING AND THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION IN THE AFTERNOON. IF YOU'VE BEEN ON INTERSTATE TEN GOING OUT TOWARDS KATY, YOU NOW KNOW THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR MANAGED LANES, WE CALL THEM MANAGED NOW VERSUS JUST HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLE, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO OTHER THINGS WITH THOSE LANES, YOU CAN OPERATE THEM DIFFERENTLY. THEY'RE NOT JUST FOR HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLES LIKE BUSSES ANYMORE. DURING CERTAIN HOURS OF THE DAY THROUGH THE REAL PLAN, WE LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL TO RUN FREIGHT ONLY IN THOSE LANES VERSUS DURING PEAK HOURS IN THE MORNING, NOT ALLOWING FREIGHT TO BE ON THERE AND ONLY ALLOWING HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLES. YOU CAN MANAGE THEM DIFFERENTLY. YOU CAN OPERATE THEM DIFFERENTLY OVER TIME. SO BUT A MOBILITY HUB IS SOMETHING KIND OF A NEWER CONCEPT FOR TEX-DOT YOUR HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER 100 YEARS. AND SO WE SET ABOUT TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS A MOBILITY HUB. AND WHAT WE DID WAS COME UP WITH, YOU HAVE A LOCAL HUB, YOU HAVE A SECONDARY HUB, AND THEN YOU HAVE A PRIMARY HUB. A LOCAL HUB COULD BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A BIKE RACK THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LOCK IT. IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS CARPOOLS AND VANPOOLS PEOPLE THAT WANT TO VANPOOL THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, MEET AT A CERTAIN LOCATION, LEAVE THEIR CARS AND GET IN THEIR VAN. WHEN THEY COME BACK IN THE AFTERNOON, THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE TO LEAVE THE VAN AND GET IN THEIR CAR AND GO HOME. AND SO YOU HAVE THESE THINGS, THE SECONDARY HUB MIGHT LOOK SOMETHING LIKE A PARK AND RIDE THAT YOU SEE METRO AND OTHER TRANSIT AGENCIES HAVE. AND THEN YOUR PRIMARY HUB IS SOMETHING LIKE THE SALESFORCE TRANSIT CENTER IN SAN FRANCISCO, GRAND CENTRAL STATION IN NEW YORK WHERE YOU HAVE MAJOR MOBILITY COMING INTO THEIR MULTI LEVEL WHERE YOU COULD HAVE RAIL, SALESFORCE TRANSIT CENTER. THE SECOND STORY UNDERGROUND IS GOING TO BE HIGH, HIGH SPEED RAIL COMING UP UNDER THERE. YOU HAVE BUSSES COMING IN ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO MOBILITY HUBS CAN BE A VARIETY OF THINGS, BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY, IT'S A VERY, IT'S VERY GRAND IN SCALE. NEXT SLIDE. SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE REALIZED VERY QUICKLY, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHEN WE SCOPED THE REAL PLAN. AND WE, WE CAME TO REALIZE VERY QUICKLY WE NEEDED TO PROPERLY CONSIDER FREIGHT AS WELL AND HOW WE'RE MOVING TRUCK TRAFFIC. THE PANDEMIC HAD HAPPENED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN FREIGHT KIND OF DID AN UPTICK. THE PORT HOUSTON, IF YOU'VE HEARD THEM SPEAK, ANYTIME THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXPONENTIAL GROWTH THAT THEY'RE SEEING SINCE THE PANDEMIC HAS OCCURRED BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE USING AMAZON AND OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE TO THE DOOR. AND SO FREIGHT WAS SOMETHING WE KIND OF STOPPED, WE DID A PIVOT AND WE LOOKED AT HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE FREIGHT IN THAT SAME SYSTEM RUNNING ALONG THAT SAME NETWORK OF ROADWAYS? AND HOW DO WE GIVE THEM KIND OF A FIRST AND LAST MILE CONSIDERATION AS WELL, JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE MOBILITY HUBS. AND SO WE DID THAT. NEXT SLIDE. SO ALONG WITH OUR STUDY THERE WAS A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE FOR TRUCK PARKING. AND OUR PLANNING AND PROGRAMING DIVISION IN AUSTIN DID A STATEWIDE LOOK AT TRUCK PARKING BECAUSE THERE IS A FEDERAL MANDATE FOR TRUCKS TO STOP AND PARK A TRUCK THAT'S BEEN OPERATING FOR SO MANY HOURS. A TRUCK DRIVER IS REQUIRED TO STOP AND REST FOR SO MANY HOURS FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. DURING THAT STUDY AND BASICALLY AN AUDIT OF THE HOUSTON DISTRICT, WHICH IS HARRIS AND THE FIVE SURROUNDING COUNTIES FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. SO BASICALLY MONTGOMERY, WALLER, FORT BEND, BRAZORIA, GALVESTON, AND HARRIS COUNTY. WE WERE SPECIAL IN THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC TRUCK PARKING WITHIN THE THAT ENTIRE SIX COUNTY REGION. WHAT THAT PRESENTED WAS A PROBLEM FOR US BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A TIME IS MONEY WRITING, IF YOU HAVE A TRUCKER THAT'S COMING INTO OUR REGION AND CANNOT GET THROUGH IT BEFORE HE HAS TO STOP, WHAT DO YOU DO? AND SO WE'RE FACED WITH CHALLENGES WITH TRUCKS THAT ACTUALLY JUST PULL OVER AND PARK ON THE, ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE SHOULDERS THAT CREATES PROBLEMS, SAFETY ISSUES, CONCERNS. AND SO NEXT SLIDE. WITHIN THAT, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE GREEN, THE ONE GREEN DOT THAT YOU SEE HERE, [01:20:08] WHICH IS A PUBLICLY OWNED TRUCK PARKING LOCATION, IS NOT ACTUALLY IN THE HOUSTON DISTRICT'S SERVICE AREA. IT'S IN OUR SISTER, OUR SISTER DISTRICT, THE BEAUMONT DISTRICT. THAT'S ACTUALLY CHAMBERS COUNTY. YOU CAN SEE IN HOUSTON THERE IS ONLY PRIVATELY OWNED TRUCK PARKING, LOVES, LOVES, TRUCK STOPS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF TRUCK PARKING. AND THERE IS A LOT OF TRUCKS UTILIZING THE STATE'S RIGHT OF WAY. IN SOME CASES, IT'S UTILIZING IT INAPPROPRIATELY AND THEY'RE JUST PULLING OVER AND PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IN OTHER CASES, THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL OFF AND GET SOMEWHERE. BUT WHAT IT POINTS TO IS A NEED TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF SERVICE TO TRUCKERS. AND YOU CAN SEE DOWN IN THIS AREA THERE IS A DEFICIENCY. THAT TRUCK PARKING SHORTAGE IS VERY HIGH. AND THE PARKING IN TEX DOT'S RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S SOME HIGH INTENSITY WITH THE DARKER COLOR BLUES IN HERE. SO NEXT SLIDE. THE CAPACITY AND NEED IS THERE. THERE'S HIGH CAPACITY NEEDS IN THIS AREA. IT'S CONGESTED AND WE'RE NOT MEETING THE DEMANDS THAT ARE HAPPENING FOR FREIGHT. NEXT SLIDE. WE HAVE A LOT OF UNAUTHORIZED TRUCK PARKING THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN OUR RIGHT OF WAY. HOW DO YOU DEFINE UNAUTHORIZED? MEANING THAT THEY'RE JUST PULLING OVER WHERE THEY WHERE THEY CAN. WE HAVE A WORD FOR THAT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED? POOR ROUTE PLANNING. THAT'S POOR PLANNING. SO IF A TRUCKER PULLS OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THAT'S UNAUTHORIZED. WELL, IN SOME CASES, YES, IN OTHER CASES, THERE MAY BE A SAFE SPOT WHERE THEY CAN PULL OVER. BUT JUST FROM A STATEWIDE PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE WE KIND OF DID AN ANALYSIS IN THAT STATEMENT. THEY'VE GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ON DUTY HOURS THAT THEY CAN HAVE. AND WHAT THEY'RE WANTING IS TO SPEND TAX DOLLARS TO PROVIDE TRUCK PARKING TO TRUCKERS. THAT IS GENERALLY HANDLED WITHIN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU TOOK YOU GUYS TOOK PARKING FROM US DOWNTOWN FOR A ROADWAY TO PUT IN BIKE LANES. AND YOU'RE WANTING TO PROVIDE PARKING TO TRUCKERS. SO PRETTY BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MEAN, DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR PRIVATE? I MEAN, BECAUSE I JUST I THINK ABOUT THE ANGLETON AREA BECAUSE I DON'T, I CAN'T REPRESENT THE REST OF THE COUNTY. BUT FOR ANGLETON, IF YOU LOOK TO OUR NORTH, YOU CAN COUNT ONE, TWO, THREE, THREE TRUCK STOPS RIGHT ALONG, 288 WITHIN WITHIN A TEN MILE RADIUS. AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT CHIEF TWO MORE, TWO MORE COMING UP, TWO MORE TRUCK STOPS POSSIBLY. THIS IS ALWAYS THIS IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT THAT PRIVATE ENTERPRISE HAS STEPPED UP TO SERVE. SO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. HERE IS THE PROPOSITION TO USE YOU STATE YOUR NAME. SORRY. BRANDON RUBIO CITIZEN. OKAY. IS THE PROPOSITION TO UTILIZE YOUR EXISTING PROPERTY INSIDE OF ANGLETON FOR A HUB? I WAS I WAS GETTING THERE. YES. THAT'S WHERE SHE'S GOING. BUT YES, THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO TRUCK PARKING. SEMI TRUCK PARKING. HOLD ON. LET ME. CAN I JUST GET THERE AND LET HER FINISH THE PRESENTATION AND I'LL PULL YOU BACK UP. SO NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE IS OUR PROPOSAL. WE AGAIN, WE OWN THE, WE OWN THE PROPERTY. IT WAS SLATED TO BE SURPLUSED AND THEN SOLD OFF. WE ASKED TO STOP BECAUSE WE SAW THIS NEXUS BETWEEN THE DATA THAT WE PULLED FROM THE REAL PLAN, SHOWING THAT THERE WAS A NEED BOTH FOR PEOPLE AND GOODS MOVEMENT OR AND FREIGHT MOVEMENT, AS WELL AS THIS THE THE DATA AND INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF OUR DIVISION STUDY. AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FROM THE SOUTHEAST SOUTHEAST TEXAS TRUCK PARKING STUDY THAT PROPOSED MORE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS FOR IMPLEMENTATION. AND SO WITH THAT, WE JUST NEEDED MONEY. AND SO WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT AND WE RECEIVED $22 MILLION TO DO TWO SITES, ONE IN FREEPORT AND THEN THIS PLAN HERE. SO WE DEVELOPED THIS SCHEMATIC THAT YOU SEE HERE WHERE WE HAVE THE OLD SITE. ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REPURPOSING SOME OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT JUST RAZING EVERYTHING AND KIND OF START FRESH IN THE DEVELOPMENT. [01:25:08] AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY INTO KIND OF TWO ZONES. ONE WOULD BE FOR 31 SPACES FOR TRUCK PARKING. WE HAD ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING FOR TRUCKS. AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE IS THE IS THE PEOPLE SIDE OF THINGS. NOW, I WILL SAY THAT SINCE WE WON THE GRANT, FEDERAL PRIORITIES HAVE CHANGED AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING EITHER ON BOTH THE PEOPLE SIDE AND THE TRUCK SIDE WILL NOT BE PART OF THIS WILL NOT BE PART OF THE GRANT. AND SO WE HAVE REMOVED THOSE ELEMENTS OUT OF THERE, ALTHOUGH THIS WAS STILL THE WORKING SCHEMATIC THAT WE WERE USING. THE OTHER PART OF IT ALONG EAST ORANGE AND DOWNING IS PROPOSED TO BE THE THE PEOPLE SIDE OF THINGS WHERE WE WOULD PROVIDE PARKING FOR FOR CARPOOLERS VAN POOLERS AS WELL AS WE'RE PROPOSING SOME AMENITY PICNIC SPACES, SOME TRAILS IN HERE FOR WALKING ALONG BIOSWALES. AND THEN A LOT OF VEGETATION AND A LOT OF LANDSCAPING IN THERE, PRIMARILY TO DO TWO THINGS TO MAKE THIS MORE, MORE SIGNATURE AND COMFORTABLE AS PEOPLE EITHER WAIT OR MEET OR COMMUNE HERE TO EITHER GET TOGETHER AND GO OR PERHAPS JUST TO WALK AND THEN TO DO A VISUAL SCREEN AROUND THE PIECE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE THE TRUCK PARKING, WHICH WE LOCATED ALONG THE THE RAIL, THE EXISTING RAIL LINE UP THERE. AND AGAIN, VISUALLY SCREENED THAT AREA FROM THIS AREA BECAUSE THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL, YOU HAVE THAT NEW NEIGHBORHOOD GOING IN DOWN HERE WITH THE POND RIGHT HERE. AND SO WE PROPOSE TO PUT THE PEOPLE SIDE ON THIS SIDE AND THEN PUT WHERE THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN, THE SITE WHERE ALL OF OUR OLD MAINTENANCE AND EARTH MOVING EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ALREADY UP THERE. WE'RE JUST SIMPLY PROPOSING TO KIND OF DIVIDE THE PROPERTY UP AND THEN VISUALLY SCREEN THAT PIECE WHILE MAKING THIS THE MORE INVITING PIECE FOR THE PUBLIC. SO IT SERVES THE TWO NEEDS IN A WAY THAT WE THINK KIND OF COMPLEMENTS THE LAND USE DOWN HERE, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ARE NEEDED ON THE, THE NORTH SIDE. AND SO THAT IS THE PROPOSAL TO WHAT TO DO. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO COME AND PRESENT IT TO YOU. AND YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE ARE WE? WE HAVE RECEIVED THE FUNDING. WE'VE ALREADY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH PORT FREEPORT WHO IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT PROJECT FINANCIALLY. THIS PROJECT IS BEING THIS PIECE OF THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BE SOLELY BORNE BY TXDOT. WHAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE PORT FREEPORT? IT IS AT THE PORT FREEPORT ENTRANCE. AND IT IS NOT A PEOPLE. THERE IS NO PEOPLE COMPONENT OF THE PORT FREEPORT. IT IS EXCLUSIVELY TRUCK PARKING. AND HOW MANY ACRES? IT'S LESS THAN AN ACRE. WELL, UP THERE IT MAY BE IT MAY BE 1 TO 2 ACRES. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE PIECE AT PORT FREEPORT. IT IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE PORT ACTUALLY OWNS JUST OUTSIDE THEIR GATE IN, IN THE FRONT OF THE PORT. AND HOW MANY TRUCKS CAN THEY THEY'RE GOING TO PARK. AGAIN, ABOUT 30 THERE ON 1 TO 2 ACRES OR THREE ACRES LESS THAN THAT. AND I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT FOR THEIR OWN TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT. AND THEY'RE MAKING THE INVESTMENT AS WELL INTO THAT. SO. I HAVE BEEN IN LOGISTICS FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. AND HENCE THE QUESTION. YES, AND I KNOW THAT DOW HAS A TRUCK LOADING FACILITY AND THEY HAVE LOTS OF SPACE FOR THEIR TRUCKS, FOR CERTAIN, NOT JUST ONE TRUCKING COMPANY, BUT OTHERS. ANYTHING COMING IN AND OUT. BASF, THE PEOPLE IN OYSTER CREEK. AND HAVE YOU BEEN TO THIS, THE ANGLETON SITE? YEAH, I WENT THERE TODAY. OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE COMING IN, IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTHBOUND ON DOWNING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A IT'S A RATTY STREET. THE TRACK, THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE THERE. THAT'S A BIG THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. THAT IS THE ISSUE. YEAH. THE BIGGEST ISSUE. WELL I DON'T THINK IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE. I'D SAY I'D SAY THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS PROBABLY THAT WHILE THIS LOOKS ALL NICE RIGHT HERE [01:30:06] ON PAPER, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO CREATE A REALLY NICE HUB FOR FOR CRIME IN THIS AREA, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO. SO I JUST GOT OFF THE ROAD AFTER TEN HOURS OF A GAS STATION, HOT DOGS. AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE I'M GOING TO USE THE RESTROOM HERE. SO THERE ARE PROPOSED, THERE IS A VISITOR'S CENTER THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY TXDOT, WHICH WILL HAVE FACILITIES. IS THAT IN THIS CURRENT $22 MILLION? YES. YEAH. AND THIS, THIS ONE IS 22 MILLION IS FOR BOTH SITES. 11 FOR US, APPARENTLY. 11. RIGHT. FOR US. YOU SAID IT'S A LITTLE MORE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S IN THE 13 TO 14. IS A WE JUST PUT IN THAT BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION AND I JUST I MEAN THOSE TRUCKS IDLE ALL NIGHT. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS NICE GREEN SPACE THERE. THE STREETS ARE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE NEW SUBDIVISION. WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE SINCE THE 1940S AND 50S AND 60S. THOSE ARE RESIDENCES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE NEXT TO THIS? YES I WOULD. NO. COME ON MAN. NO, NO. YOU. AND DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF UPGRADING THE ROADWAY LEADING TO THAT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. SO THE ROADWAY. THE ROADWAY IS NOT OWNED BY US BUT WE. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE. YOU DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT WOULD. AND ALSO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO TAKE A RIGHT OR A LEFT ON 35. WE DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT DOWNING WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT FOR POTENTIALLY FOR FUTURE FEDERAL FUNDING TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE ROAD, TO IMPROVE THE. THAT'S THE KEY WORD. TRY TO. YOU HAVE. IT'S IT'S DETERMINED. I MEAN, MONEY DETERMINES EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT THIS IS A GREAT DESIGN IN THE WRONG SPOT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY. THE THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS ALONG 288 MAJORITY. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DONE ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES LATELY TO SEE HOW MANY. AND THE GRAND PARKWAY IS COMING IN. THAT SECTION OF 35 IS NOT GOING TO BE TRAVELED. I DO ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOU FINDING WITH THE TRAFFIC ON 35? WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO GO AND LOOK THAT UP, BUT WE DEFINITELY I JUST HERE'S NOT I HAVE A DIFFERENT CONCERN. I THINK WHAT WILL END UP AND MAYBE THIS IS WHERE TANNER IS LEADING, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE IT'LL GET UTILIZED THE WAY YOU HOPED. PARTLY BECAUSE OF LOCATION. IT'S NOT IF YOU COULD SOMEHOW GET OVER THE TRACKS, MAYBE YOU GET ON 35 REAL QUICK. IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE. BUT WITHOUT THAT, THAT'S A THAT'S A IT'S A MAJOR SPEED BUMP. I THINK COUNCIL DANIEL IS CORRECT. I DO WONDER ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY UTILIZING 35. AND LIKE SHE SAID, THERE'LL BE A GRAND PARKWAY, WHICH THEN LEADS TO TANNER, WHICH IS IT BECOMES VACANT. AND ONCE IT BECOMES VACANT, IT BECOMES ATTRACTIVE TO PUBLIC NUISANCE TYPE SITUATION. SO I MEAN, WHAT I LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO JUST LETTING IT CONTINUE IN ITS STATE OF EMPTINESS AND NOT I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE ALMOST IT'S A DRAG. YOU HAVEN'T MAINTAINED IT SINCE YOU LEFT. SO I DROVE BY THERE TONIGHT, AND I ACTUALLY NOTED THAT THERE'S A TRUCK IN THE PARKING LOT AND THERE'S I SENT AN EMAIL TO JAMIE AND MARIA. YEAH, OUR PD IS THERE QUITE A BIT AND I'VE RIDDEN WITH OUR PD. THEY'VE. THEY'RE ALWAYS TAKING HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT OF THERE. THEY BREAK IN. THEY GET IN THERE. I THINK ONE NIGHT I WENT OVER THERE, THE GATE WAS WIDE OPEN. SO HERE, HERE'S HERE'S MY PROBLEM. WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TO BRING BEAUTIFICATION AND IMPROVEMENT TO THE SOUTH SIDE. IT'S STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE AS MUCH AS WE NEED TO, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT A WHOLE HOST OF 18 WHEELERS, POTENTIAL DRUG TRAFFIC AND LOT LIZARDS ARE REALLY WHAT THE WHAT THE SOUTH OF ANGLETON IS LOOKING FOR. I MEAN, MAYBE WE COULD ASK THEM, BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT THAT THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT, CHIEF. I MEAN. I AGREE WITH YOU. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THIS YOUNG LADY EARLIER. AND ALSO ONE THING THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION IS THE INTERSECTION OF DOWNING AND MULBERRY. THAT INTERSECTION IS A TERRIBLE INTERSECTION. [01:35:01] YOU START MAKING 18 WHEELERS, TAKE A LEFT, TAKE A RIGHT, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM THERE. NO. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET BACK TO 288. CORRECT. YOU GOT TRUCKS TRYING TO PULL. YOU GOT TRUCKS TRYING TO PULL OUT OF THERE IN THE MORNINGS. AND DURING THE DAY WE GOT SCHOOL TRAFFIC FOR SOUTH SIDE OVER THERE, SCHOOL TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN DOWNING TO TO GET PEOPLE AROUND DOWN THE FAIRGROUND ROADS TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. MISSOURI COUNTY FAIR. BRAZORIA COUNTY FAIR. THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOCKED IN THERE FOR A WEEK, BARELY BEING ABLE TO GET OUT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I THINK THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF SITUATIONS THAT YOU GUYS JUST REALLY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT WITH THIS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TALKING WITH YOU. REALLY NO INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AT THIS POINT. WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO BEGIN TO MAKE FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS AND START THE DESIGN PROCESS IF WE'RE TO PROCEED. AND SO WE'RE HERE TALKING WITH YOU NOW ABOUT THAT. AND IF IT DOESN'T PROCEED FROM OUR STANDPOINT WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO. SURPLUS IT OUT. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY FOR BEING SO CRITICAL. I MEAN YOU'VE YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY WORKED HARD TO PRESENT THIS. AND I KNOW WE RESPECT YOUR POSITION. I JUST YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KNOW AND I AND I, THAT'S WHY WE'RE REPRESENTED TO WE'RE REPRESENTED TO OR ELECTED TO REPRESENT THESE CITIZENS AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE LIVE HERE AND WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE DAYS IN AND DAYS OUT OPERATION AND ALL THE LITTLE QUIRKY THINGS THAT GO ON IN THIS COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY. I JUST DON'T I DON'T SEE THIS. I HONESTLY, I THOUGHT I WAS, I WAS KIND OF THINKING WE MISSED THE MARK HERE, BUT I WAS KIND OF THINKING, OKAY, SO POTENTIALLY THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A SPUR THERE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DROP A CONNECTOR ONTO THE RAIL MAYBE OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING LOADED TRUCKS YOU KNOW, REDUCING THAT, THAT LOAD ON THE ROADS, MAYBE. SO HAVING AN ACCESS POINT. AND THEN WE HAD LOVES WITHOUT THE LOVE. I MEAN, UNLESS, UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S A SPECIAL NIGHT. WITHOUT THE LOVE. THAT'S THE HEADLINE. COULD BE SOME LOVE I DO. I THINK YOU FEEL CITY COUNCIL'S POSITION. WE'VE PROBABLY MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. I DO WANT I AM CONCERNED, THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO REORIENT YOU OR AT LEAST HAVE YOU RECONSIDER WHAT IS PROPOSED. BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO JUST WALK AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY. AND THAT'S NOT GOOD EITHER. SO THE CURRENT SITUATION IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION EITHER. I CAN'T I DON'T THINK IT CAN GO ON FOR IN PERPETUITY TO CONTINUE IN THE WAY IT IS. THE MAYOR HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED SOME THINGS HE'S ALREADY WITNESSED OBSERVES. SO ANYWAY, I JUST, I, IF, IF, IF AND WE'RE STRONGLY SUGGESTING YOU LOOK ELSEWHERE, WE'D STILL LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING FOR THAT AREA OR COME UP WITH ANOTHER IDEA. AND IF IT'S SELLING IT OR WHATEVER, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE CLEANING IT, CLEARING IT. BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE WITH IT. WE CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MENTIONED ALREADY THERE'S RESIDENTIAL BOTH TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH. SO IT'S NOT FAIR TO THOSE PEOPLE. NEIGHBORHOOD NEW HOMES STILL GOING UP. SO I DROVE THROUGH THAT TOO. WE WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU PITCHED THIS IDEA. I DO, AT LEAST. I JUST I THINK, AS YOU'VE HEARD, THERE ARE A LOT OF SETBACKS. AND I THINK THE CHIEF RAISES ANOTHER VERY CRUCIAL ONE, WHICH IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO NAVIGATE THAT INTERSECTION LEADING TO IT. SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST AFRAID I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU WALK AWAY AND JUST LEAVE US WITH. EMPTY LOTS, RIGHT? YEAH. I KNOW IF THE PROPERTY IS DOESN'T HAVE A PURPOSE OR A USE, THEN IT WOULD BE SURPLUSED AND IT WOULD BE SOLD OFF. AND THEN IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I MEAN, WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT OTHER LOCATIONS WITH YOU. I'M SURE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WHICH WE'VE DISCLOSED TO 288, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE HEAVY TRAFFIC. SO YOU COULD YOU COULD LOCATE SOMETHING RIGHT BEFORE THE WEIGH STATION AND KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT ACROSS THE DISTRICT. WE'VE BEEN WE WE VERY QUICKLY WHEN THE DEFICIENCY WAS IDENTIFIED AND ALMOST A MANDATE BETWEEN OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS AND OUR FINDINGS INDICATED THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING. SO WE VERY QUICKLY STARTED LOOKING ACROSS THE SIX COUNTY REGION, IDENTIFYING THOSE LOCATIONS. [01:40:01] AND IT WAS WHAT I WOULD KIND OF CALL JUST A FAST TRACK OF, WE OWN THIS PROPERTY, WE CAN PUT SOME ASPHALT DOWN, BOOM, WE HAVE SOME TRUCK PARKING. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE DID IDENTIFY THOSE AND WE DID DEPLOY SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THOSE TYPES OF THAT TYPES OF THAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE REGION. THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIGNATURE, VERY HIGH END. I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY HIDDEN. I MEAN, IT'S HIDDEN TO EVERYBODY BUT THE RESIDENTS. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT FOR FOR TRUCKS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT EVEN A POORLY BEATEN PATH. IT'S REALLY NOT. I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHERE. SO THEY'D HAVE TO TURN, THEY'D HAVE TO GO IN THERE, DRIVE ALL THE WAY UP FROM 220, TAKE A RIGHT FROM 523 DRIVING DOWN THOSE ROADS AND GET IN THERE. THEN THEY'D HAVE TO GO BACK THE WAY THEY CAME. OR THEY WOULD MESS AROUND AND NAVIGATE NARROW RESIDENTIAL ROADS AND HAVE TO FIND ACCESS TO THE HIGHWAY. I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE DECLINED LAND USES. SOME RESIDENTS HAVE THEY'VE COME AND THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP A SHOP ON MY PROPERTY AND WE'RE GOING TO MANUFACTURE SOMETHING. BUT THEY WOULD REQUIRE HEAVY TRUCKS TO COME THROUGH. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PLUS FOR OUR AREA TO HAVE THIS, BUT NOT A PLUS FOR EVERYONE LIVING AROUND IT WITH HEAVY TRUCKS COMING THROUGH. AND I'LL SPEAK FOR THE FIRE CHIEF. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PUTTING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THOSE TRUCKS. YOU'RE NOT RESTRICTING THEM. YOU'RE PUTTING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OVER BY THAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AM I RIGHT? CHIEF? YEAH. THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION AT AN OKLAHOMA HOTEL. A TRUCK WAS PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT AND EXPLODED BECAUSE THEY HAD THE WRONG TYPE OF PLUG. SO. WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP. BUT THAT MEANS MAKING FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AND BEGIN DOING THAT WHEN WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES. SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LETTING ME COME AND TALK WITH YOU TONIGHT. AND IF I CAN ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, PLEASE CALL ME IF HE HAS MY CONTACT INFORMATION AND I'LL TAKE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS BACK TO MY LEADERSHIP AND TALK WITH THEM, SEE IF THEY CAN'T GET US AN OVERPASS. CAN WE GET TO 22 MILLION? YEAH. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOBILITY, WE'D LIKE FEEDER ROADS. YEAH. CAN WE RETROACT THE VARIANCE TO GET OUR PARKING BACK ON TWO, EIGHT, EIGHT. OH, AND THAT TWO. SO MAKE YOUR REQUEST. WE HAVE THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE ON 523. THAT'S THE ONE THAT I'M, I'M WANTING TO ASK ABOUT IS YOU HAVE THOSE, I GUESS, PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE DIRT RIGHT THERE AT 523 AND THE OFF RAMP. AND IT'S GOT A NICE FEEDER THAT'S SERVICING NOTHING BUT THAT PROPERTY. AND THAT TO ME WOULD WOULD DO VERY WELL RIGHT THERE. I WILL TAKE THAT BACK. YOU CAN PICK YOUR SIDE, NORTH SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE OR SORRY, EAST SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD YOU'VE GOT JOHN. YOU MIGHT WANT TO EMAIL HER. YEAH. WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE HAD HOW MANY MEETINGS, CHIEF? 3 OR 4 WITH TEX-DOT AT THEIR FACILITY. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ITEM AND WE'VE TOLD THEM AND GAVE THEM, GAVE THEM FEEDBACK QUITE A FEW TIMES THAT THIS WAS NOT A GOOD PROJECT IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. SO THAT WE'VE SAID THAT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. I KNOW WE'VE GIVEN THEM ALTERNATIVES. YOU NEW IDEAS. YEAH, WE'VE GIVEN IDEAS AS WELL. YEAH, THIS IS A PAPER TRAIL THOUGH. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO IT. BUT IT DEFINITELY IS NOT THE RIGHT LOCATION. IF THE TRUCK EVEN MADE IT OVER THAT RAILROAD TRACK, I'D BE SURPRISED THE ROAD WOULD BE DONE IN A YEAR. THAT IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS SAFETY IN THAT SAFETY FOR THE CITIZENS IN THAT AREA FROM FROM HAZARDOUS MATERIAL TO THE ROAD CONDITIONS TO YOU GUYS ARE TECH STOCK. I MEAN, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN GET TO THIS POINT. LIKE, YOU GUYS SHOULD RECOGNIZE THIS. WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE PROPOSING THIS BECAUSE YOU SHOULD RECOGNIZE THIS. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO AND WHICH THEN CALLS IN TO QUESTION EVERY OTHER DECISION THAT YOU GUYS MAKE. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CALLOUS, BUT I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF IT'S KIND OF TRUE. [01:45:05] I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GIVEN OVER THE PAST 3 OR 4 MONTHS. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU. BRANDON RUBIO, COME ON UP. YOU WAITED PATIENTLY. I THINK Y'ALL SAID EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON MY MIND AND A FEW OTHERS OVER. HERE'S MINE. I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S POSITION ON THAT. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. AND WE'D LIKE TO THANK TEX DOT FOR BEING. APPRECIATE YOU BEING A GOOD SPORT. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT, TOO. YES. HAPPY TO BE HERE. WE NEED WE NEED MORE INTERACTION WITH TEX DOT. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER. [8. Discussion and possible action on the Animal Control Center. ] WHO WANTS TO START? I THINK MARTHA. WELL, MARTHA. INITIALLY. INITIALLY. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THIS WAS MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND REQUEST TO BRING THESE TWO THINGS UP FOR DISCUSSION. AND MARTHA, INITIALLY, MANY YEARS AGO, BEFORE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOT ALL THE MONEY SHE, SHE HAD PROPOSED SOME DIFFERENT THINGS AND SOME DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. SO I'M GOING TO ASK MARTHA TO GO AHEAD AND START. I ALSO HAVE JAKE HERE, THE SHELTER MANAGER, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. SHE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND DOING A GREAT JOB. SO WITH THAT, MARTHA. YES. I THINK WHAT WE WERE JUST GOING TO REMIND YOU THAT WHEN THE ARCHITECT CAME AND PRESENTED, I DON'T REMEMBER THE FIGURE, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE MIND BLOWING $6 MILLION. OKAY. AND SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE SAME PROPOSAL. YES. WHEN Y'ALL KEPT SAYING, SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL, SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL, YOU NEED A DIFFERENT ESTIMATOR. YES. SO I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME IF I COULD LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. SO IT DIDN'T. THE PROJECT COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD AND WENT TO MUELLER. SO YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT. TO SAY THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF A METAL BUILDING, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, IT'S A METAL BUILDING WITH A FACADE ON IT, YOU KNOW. IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE $6 MILLION. AND THAT'S WHAT MUELLER CONFIRMED FOR US. SO I THINK CHIEFS REASON TO HAVE ME UP HERE TONIGHT IS TO SAY WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. IF WE NEED AN ESTIMATE FROM THEM BEFORE. YEAH. JUST THE, THEY WERE JUST GIVING A BUILDING ESTIMATE. CORRECT. NOT THE INSIDES. THAT'S NOT THE CONCRETE OR ANYTHING. RIGHT. SO I WOULD SAY BECAUSE IT'S IT WAS SO LONG AGO, WE WOULD NEED TO START THAT AGAIN. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO INVESTIGATE THAT WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT. I DEFINITELY THINK IT WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO AFTER BUILDING THE KMART AND IT BEING A METAL BUILDING, A BEAUTIFUL METAL BUILDING. I THINK, I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY DO WHAT WAS OUR BUDGET. WELL, YOU KNEW WHERE I WAS GOING. WHAT WAS THE BUDGET? YES, 5.2. YES. IT SOUNDS LIKE FRAUD. I MEAN, NO OFFENSE. $6 MILLION FOR ANIMAL SHELTER. THAT'S ABSURD. $6 MILLION. I WAS HERE, I MEAN, I REMEMBER HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE IT ITS DUE DILIGENCE, AND WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY. AND WE KNOW HOW DESPERATE YOU KNOW, OUR ANIMAL SERVICES PEOPLE ARE FOR A NEW HOME. BUT I MEAN, AS A TAXPAYER, THAT SEEMS EXTREME. AND I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT ANIMALS. SOME ARE GOING TO LOVE THEM, SOME WILL BREAK THE BANK TO SUPPORT THEM, BUT OTHERS DON'T HAVE THAT SAME FEELING. WELL, I JUST THINK, I THINK AND THEN JUST IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE BUILT A WHOLE FACILITY FOR TWO DEPARTMENTS WHICH REGULARLY OPERATE HEAVY MACHINERY FOR LESS THAN 6 MILLION. THAT'S TWO. THAT'S TO BE A GUIDELINE FOR US, PERHAPS. DIDN'T THE ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER IN PEARLAND GET BUILT FOR 8 MILLION? I THINK THAT WAS LIKE 10 MILLION. 10 MILLION BECAUSE WE VISITED THAT BECAUSE I GOT THAT GOT BROUGHT UP TO US A COUPLE TIMES. AND THEY'RE WHAT? 800 TIMES BIGGER SIZE? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S $6 MILLION. I MIGHT MAKE A RESERVATION TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER FOR A WEEKEND STAY OR SOMETHING. I THINK THE POINT THAT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IS THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER OPTIONS THAT WOULD COME IN A LOT LESS THAN A FULL DESIGN BUILD. WE'VE GOT THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS ALREADY. I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY. AND SUSIE'S BANK, SHE AIN'T GOT THAT MUCH MONEY. [01:50:02] NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH. AND JESSE'S HERE ALSO TO, TO GO AHEAD. AND IF Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE CURRENT BUILDING AND THE CONDITIONS AT THE CURRENT BUILDING, I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE ON COUNCIL HAVE ASKED ME, AND JESSE CAN ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT SINCE CHIEF DAHLSTROM HAD DONE OVER THERE WAS WE HAD A PLUMBER COME IN AND DO US THE SMOKE TEST OVER THERE, AND HE IDENTIFIED WHERE THE SMELL OR GASES OR WHATEVER WAS COMING FROM, AND THEY PUT IN SOME TYPE OF P TRAPS. SO ALLEGEDLY THAT HAD SOLVED MOST OF THE PROBLEM, BUT WE GOT SOME, I THINK COUNCILMAN SMITH GOT A LETTER FROM SOMEBODY THAT SAID THAT IT WASN'T FIXED. BUT HERE'S THE PERSON THAT LIVES THERE EVERY DAY. SO FAR AWAY. GO FOR IT, JASON. SO WHENEVER THEY DID PUT THOSE MAKESHIFT P TRAPS IN, THE SMELL DID GO AWAY. BUT WHENEVER YOU'RE YOU KNOW, TEXAS HEAT DOES NOT HELP. BUT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING AT CLOSE TO 80 ANIMALS PER MONTH. AND THAT BUILDING, BEING THERE FOR SO LONG THAT ALL THAT SMELL DOES IS JUST SEEP INTO THE BUILDING. EVERY MORNING MYSELF AND MY STAFF, WE HAVE TO OPEN THE DOOR AND LET IT AIR OUT FOR AT LEAST ALMOST AN HOUR TO EVEN BE ABLE TO KIND OF STAND THE SMELL IN THERE. WE HAVE ALSO WENT AS FAR AS TURNING OUR AC OFF AT LIKE THE, JUST THE OFFICE PART OF THE AC OFF AT NIGHT TO SEE IF IT'LL HELP LIKE THE AC FROM SUCKING IT IN FROM THE BACK. WE ALSO JUST HAVE THAT SMALL WOODEN DOOR THAT'S KEEPING OR SUPPOSEDLY TRYING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, BLOCK THE SMELL FROM COMING IN, BUT IT'S SEEPING FROM UNDER THE DOOR. THE TROUGH THAT RUNS DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SHELTER WHERE WE WASH ALL OF THE FECES AND ANIMAL URINE DOWN. IT DOES HAVE A SMALL I GUESS, CRACK IN THE FOUNDATION RIGHT THERE, WHICH CAUSES THAT WATER TO POOL IN THAT AREA, WHICH WE HAVE TO TAKE SQUEEGEES OUT AND GO OUT THE DOOR. WE MOCK THAT AREA AT LEAST TWICE OR THREE TIMES A DAY BECAUSE IT JUST COMES BACK UP AND POOLS. BUT I BELIEVE HONESTLY THAT THE SMELL IS JUST STUCK IN THOSE WALLS AND IT MAKES OUR EYES BURN, OUR LUNGS BURN. I MEAN, IT WAS TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE LITERALLY HAD TO STAND OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND JUST, JUST TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE. IT WAS SO BAD. IF IT'S NOT GOOD FOR MYSELF AND STAFF TO BREATHE IT IT CAN'T BE GOOD FOR THOSE ANIMALS BACK THERE THAT ARE CONSTANTLY IN THERE. SO THERE'S THAT. HOW MANY SICK DAYS HAVE Y'ALL HAD? IT CAN COME UP. YOU CAN COME UP. YEAH. OKAY. YOU'VE ALL, YOU'VE ALL SAT HERE ALL EVENING. I'VE HAD A COUPLE IN THE MONTH OF IN YOUR NAME. OH, MY NAME IS BRENDA. HI. HOW Y'ALL DOING? FROM THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. FEBRUARY. WITHIN FEBRUARY TO APRIL, I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL THREE TIMES BECAUSE OF THE SMELL, AND THE LAST TIME I WENT I HAD CONTRACTED PINK EYE. BUT I BELIEVE IT IS FROM THE SHELTER BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE TIMES WHERE WE'VE WALKED IN AND IMMEDIATELY, AS SOON AS YOU WALK IN, YOU GOTTA LET THE FRONT DOOR OPEN. SO THE SMELL IN THE OFFICE COMES OUT OF THE OFFICE. AND AS SOON AS YOU GO TO THE BACK, YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE BIG DOORS. SO THE SNOW THAT'S STUCK IN THE BACK HAS TO WASH IT OUT. AND EVEN DOING THAT, THE SMELL JUST SITS IN THERE THE WHOLE DAY. AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, IT BURNS YOUR EYES. IT MAKES YOUR CHEST HURT. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE I'VE HAD TO JUST GO SIT OUTSIDE, BECAUSE I DO HAVE LIKE LIGHT ASTHMA, AND IT IS HARD TO BREATHE IN THERE DEALING WITH THAT STUFF. AND PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND THEY'LL IMMEDIATELY JUST START COVERING THEIR NOSES OR BE LIKE, OH, HOW DO Y'ALL WORK SINCE WE JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT? UNFORTUNATELY, CHIEF, WHAT IF Y'ALL FOUND OUT FROM INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE STUDIES. WHAT WHAT DOCUMENTATION DO YOU ALL HAVE THAT IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FROM INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE STUDIES. WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE STUDY THAT I KNOW OF. AND CHIEF. CHIEF DAWSON WAS ONLINE, BUT I, I MEAN, HE'S HE'S LISTENING. I DIDN'T WANT TO CALL HIM UP BECAUSE HIS LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, BUT HE'S, HE'S DONE TREMENDOUS WORK OVER THERE AND THAT THAT'S ONE OF HIS PROJECTS. BUT I MEAN, WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE AND, AND A STUDY DONE OVER THERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. LIKE I SAID, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT IT HAD GOTTEN BETTER WITH WHAT WE HAD DONE. BUT IF IT HASN'T, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. AND IT'S JUST, IT KIND OF PROGRESSES. [01:55:05] SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WHEN THEY DID THE P TRAP, IT DID CLEAR IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE SMELL IS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE. I MEAN THE P TRAP, WHAT IT DOES IS BASICALLY ONCE THE URINE AND FECES GOES DOWN, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY PRETTY MUCH CLOSE AND SUCK BACK UP. SO IT DOES NOT ALLOW THE SMELL TO PRETTY MUCH PULL BACK UP OUT OF THE PIPE. SO THAT PART, I BELIEVE, DID WORK. I THINK IT A LOT OF IT, LIKE I SAID, HAS TO DO WITH JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A VENT AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING THAT COULD POSSIBLY ALLOW THE SMELL TO ESCAPE. AND ALSO THE OUR AC UNIT IN OUR LOBBY IS ALSO CONNECTED TO THE CAT AREA, WHICH IS ALSO WHERE THAT AMMONIA SMELL COMES FROM. AND THAT'S THE ONLY BAD PART ABOUT IT. I MEAN, WE CAN WE DO EVERYTHING FROM MOPPING. I MEAN, FABULOSO WE SPRAY THE WALLS WITH FABULOSO AND IT KIND OF DUMBS THE SMELL DOWN FOR JUST A BRIEF TEN MINUTES JUST TO GET SOME RELIEF. AND THEN IT'LL IT'LL PULL BACK IN SLOWLY. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE HELPED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE P-TRAP SITUATION. I JUST BELIEVE IT'S JUST STUCK IN THAT BUILDING. SMELL WISE, JUST TO CALIBRATE THE CITIZENS. HOW OLD IS THAT BUILDING IN THE 50S. BUILT IN THE 50S. IT WAS THE OLD WATER DEPARTMENT. WATER DEPARTMENT. BUILT IN THE 50S. IT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BUILDING. IT'S BEEN RETROFITTED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES TO MAKE IT THIS. WE STARTED TAKING OVER ANIMAL CONTROL. WHAT? AFTER WE DECIDED TO MOVE AWAY FROM SPCA BACK IN THE EARLY 2000, LATE 90S, LATE 90S, I THINK. AND WE HAVE I THINK WE'VE STRETCHED THIS BUILDING AS FAR AS WE PROBABLY COULD. HURRICANE BERYL DIDN'T DO US ANY FAVORS. I'M LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET. THANKS, SUSIE. FROM 25, WE WENT FROM 77,000. I'M NOT COUNTING PERSONNEL COSTS TO THIS YEAR. BUDGETING 118,000. 0122 SORRY. SO I CAN SEE THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE HAVE GONE UP. 15,000 ALMOST TEN 000 IN SERVICES AND SUPPLIES HAS GONE UP. 20,000 ALMOST. SO IT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO REMEDIATE A PROBLEM, BUT THE ONLY ANSWER IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE TO PUT A NEW FACILITY IN RIGHT THERE. LIEUTENANT PARSONS IS BEHIND ME. AND HE RAISES RATS TO FEED HIS SNAKES. AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF VENTILATION PROCESS THAT HE USES. SO MAYBE IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK WHAT HE DID WAS JUST VOLUNTEER TO TAKE ASSISTANT CHIEF DAWSON'S SPOT. SO I MEAN, AND I'M JUST SAYING HE'S GOT EXPERIENCE. I'M NOT I'M NOT JOKING. HE'S GOT EXPERIENCE IN DOING THAT STUFF. SO MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING IN THE MEANTIME BECAUSE A NEW BUILDING IS NOT COMING UNLESS SUSIE GIVES US SOME A LOT OF MONEY. SO WE'VE GOT TO GET WE'VE GOT OUR OUR EMPLOYEES ARE NUMBER ONE. SO WE'VE GOT TO MAKE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF. AND IF A VENTILATION SYSTEM THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT WORKS FOR HIS RATS, IT OUGHT TO WORK FOR, FOR SOMETHING OVER THERE. HE CAN HE CAN TRY TO WORK ON SOMETHING. IS THAT RIGHT, LIEUTENANT? YES. SOON. WHAT DO YOU THINK, MARTHA? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A BUDGET? LET'S SAY WE PUT THE CONCRETE WORK IN WITH THE PROPER DRAINAGE. WE GET THE SYSTEM, WE GET A METAL BUILDING FACADE, PAGES. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT ALL THEY NEED. THE PLAN WAS VERY SIMPLE, AND JAKE MAY BE ABLE TO TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT IT WAS A PRETTY OPEN BUILDING WITH YOU KNOW, THE AREA FOR THE FRONT AND THE CAGE AREA. THERE'S, IT WAS, IT WASN'T VERY COMPLEX. I'LL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. I'M TAKING A WILD STAB AT THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW, $3,000, $3 MILLION HALF THE PRICE OF WHAT WE WERE QUOTED BEFORE. YOU KNOW, WE COULD DEFINITELY BRING A PROPOSAL BACK TO YOU. WHEN I WENT, WHEN I TALKED WITH MUELLER AGAIN, I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. THAT WAS THE ONLY COMPANY I TALKED TO. THERE'S SO MANY, SO MANY COMPANIES THAT WE COULD GET QUOTES FROM, BUT THEIR ROUGH ESTIMATE WAS THAT THE COST OF THE BUILDING ALONE, JUST THE STEEL, THE METAL BUILDING WAS ABOUT 25% OF YOUR OVERALL COST. [02:00:07] SO I MEAN, WE COULD USE THAT AS A AS A ROUGH ESTIMATE FOR A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. AND I COULD REACH OUT BECAUSE WE DO CONTRACT WITH RICHWOOD. I CAN REACH OUT TO THEM TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN BEING A PARTNER. OKAY. BUT JESSE, I WANT YOU TO, TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH THE COUNCIL AND LET THEM KNOW THE CONDITIONS OVER THERE. IF THEY'RE NOT LIVABLE, YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW THAT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT. OKAY. YES, SIR. SO THE BUILDING ITSELF, IT IT RIGHT NOW, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE SMELL. BECAUSE LIKE BRENDA HAD STATED, IT IS HONESTLY KIND OF EMBARRASSING WHEN WE ARE TRYING OUR HARDEST TO KEEP IT CLEAN. AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING AND WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE THAT, HEY, WHEN YOU HAVE 80 SOMETHING PLUS DOGS AND 40 SOMETHING PLUS CATS IN THE FACILITY, IT'S NOT GOING TO SMELL TOO GREAT. BUT WHEN WE GET TO A POINT TO WHERE WE HAD TO WEAR RESPIRATORS AT ONE POINT IN TIME TO JUST GO INSIDE THE BUILDING. AND WE HAD TO WEAR THOSE FOR A FEW DAYS JUST TO CLEAN. AND THEN WE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE 15 MINUTE BREAKS AND GET FIT TESTED JUST TO WEAR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BREATHE IN THAT BUILDING. AND MIND YOU, THIS IS BEFORE, THIS IS BEFORE THEY CAME IN AND DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO WITH OUR BUILDING. OUR, WE HAVE LEAKY ROOFS. EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WE ARE STEPPING IN THREE INCHES OF WATER. IT'S OUR BUILDING IS RUSTING OUT. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GO AROUND AND PUT SPRAY FOAM JUST TO CLOSE IT OFF. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S SLOWLY BUT SURELY IT IS. THE BUILDING IS JUST DEGRADING AND WE NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT FROM CITIZENS AND RIGHTFULLY SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR BUILDING AS WELL AS OURS. AND IT'S JUST, IT'S A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY GO IN AND DO THESE REPAIRS AND HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO CITIZENS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST HERE. BUT I THINK HONESTLY, IT IS THE SMELL IN THAT BUILDING THAT IS THE WORST PART. I MEAN, I HAVE TO TAKE TYLENOL AT LEAST MAYBE I CAN SAY PROBABLY TEN TIMES A WEEK BECAUSE OF THE HEADACHES THAT I'M GETTING BECAUSE OF THE SMELL. I MEAN, AND IF I HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND JUST SIT IN MY TRUCK JUST TO KIND OF TAKE A DEEP BREATH, AND MY STAFF HAS TO DO IT AS WELL. THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME TO WHERE MY HEADACHES GOT SO BAD I PHYSICALLY HAD TO WALK OUTSIDE. AND UNFORTUNATELY VOMITED BECAUSE THE HEADACHES WERE SO BAD FROM THE SMELL. OUR EMPLOYEE SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT. AND THEN THE ANIMAL SAFETY THAT OUR EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A CLEAN, SAFE FACILITY TO WORK IN. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT OUR DOGS. AT ONE POINT DURING THIS. THEY GOT. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM BEGAN COUGHING, SNEEZING, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THE SMELL. SO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAD TO BE ON ANTIBIOTICS FOR BASICALLY WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS KENNEL COUGH WAS THE AMMONIA SMELL, UNFORTUNATELY. SO HOW FAST CAN WE GET THE EMPLOYEE SAFETY TAKEN CARE OF WITH SCIENTIFIC DATA? JASON. JUST HYGIENE. JASON JUST CAME UP WITH WITH A GOOD IDEA OF MAYBE GETTING A MODULAR FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO THE FACILITY WHILE WE WORK ON THE VENTILATION FOR THE, FOR THE BUILDING. SO, AND I THINK WE PROBABLY FINANCIALLY OR TWO AGO, SHE'S SLUMPING DOWN, BUT SHE'S YEAH, I THINK FINANCIALLY WE COULD PROBABLY EITHER GET, GET THAT OUT OF HER DONATIONS OR GET SOMEBODY TO VOLUNTEER A BUILDING. BUT THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION FROM FROM JASON ABOUT GETTING A MODULAR ECOMMENTS. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU WERE SPENDING WHENEVER WE HAD TO USE THEM FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS, AND IF THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. WE HAVE BIG ENOUGH PARKING BESIDE IN THE LOT AND IN THE PARKING. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD TEMPORARY THING, GETTING THEM A SEPARATE AREA AND THEN DOING SOMETHING FOR THE VENTILATION, LIKE NOW TO HELP GET THE AMMONIA CLEARED FROM THE BUILDING BETTER. WELL, YOU COULD GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR A, A BOND. YOU CAN'T DO THAT TILL NEXT MAY. AND IF YOU GET APPROVED, YOU'VE GOT A DOESN'T SNAP YOUR FINGER AND HAPPEN EVEN IF YOU GET THE MONEY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION PROBABLY FOR BEST CASE SCENARIO. 18 MONTHS FROM NOW. ANY EIGHME 28. BE REALISTIC TO HAVE SOMETHING BUILT OUT. [02:05:05] YES. AND THAT'S AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE. I'M TRYING TO HELP US PLAN. IF WE DON'T IF WE DON'T THINK. WELL, I THINK UPON IT AND PLAN ACCORDINGLY. THEN WE'RE JUST SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR FAILURE, WASTED MONEY AND OPPORTUNITY. SO. WE ALSO NEED A PLAN LONG TERM BECAUSE 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS FOR THEM IS A LONG TIME. BUT THEY'LL FLY BY FOR PEOPLE ON COUNCIL. BUT DO PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY? THAT'S THAT'S A LONG TIME. SO WE GOT TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT I AGREE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS IT IS REMEDIAL. I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE BANK ON REMEDIAL, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO CUT TOO MANY CORNERS. I HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSAL. THAT GETS US THERE FASTER. HOW QUICK CAN WE HAVE THAT ORDINANCE WRITTEN THAT ALLOWS US TO GO TO THE CITIZENS FOR A $5 DONATION IN THE WATER BILL, TO THE ANIMAL CONTROL TO PAY FOR A NEW ANIMAL CONTROL BUILDING? SUSIE'S ALREADY WORKING ON IT. HOW FAST CAN WE GET IT? BECAUSE LOOKING AT DEBT SERVICE. I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT BONDING 3 MILLION ON A 4% INTEREST, 25 YEARS. WE COULD PROBABLY STRETCH IT TO 30 IF WE HAD TO 192,000 ANNUAL PAYMENT. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET 192,000, MOST LIKELY FROM THE FROM THE WATER BILL. BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU A START TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH EXTRA WE WOULD NEED. COULD WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK WITH THAT AND GET IT STARTED NOW? MAYBE WE COULD GET IT A LOT FASTER THAN THAT. BUT I THINK YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A BOND, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET MONEY UP FRONT NOW TO START PUTTING REPAIRS IN OR TO START PUTTING THAT MONEY BACK TO MAKE THE FIRST BOND PAYMENT. AND THAT'S FOR THOSE THAT VOLUNTEER TO GIVE IT. SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO LEGALLY HAVE A. FUNDRAISER? JAKE. JAKE'S GREAT AT THAT. NOT, NOT A, NOT A PRIVATE. I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY IS THE SPONSOR. I DON'T KNOW IF WE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED A PRIVATE SPONSOR. I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE PAST. I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED DONUTS FOR DOGS, BUT WE DID IT AT THE SHELTER AND IT WAS BASICALLY LIKE AN ADOPTION EVENT. BUT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THERE LIKE BOOTHS SELLING STUFF, SELLING, YOU KNOW, FROM STUFF FROM THE FOOD TRUCK. BUT ALL OF THAT STUFF KIND OF IT ALL WENT TO THE SHELTER, I BELIEVE. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY WAS MISSED. BECAUSE IT'S POLITICAL SEASON. AND IF Y'ALL HAD DONE ONE RIGHT NOW, Y'ALL COULD HAVE RAISED A LOT OF MONEY. PEOPLE LIKE TO BE SEEN BEING YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THEIR COMMUNITIES. SO THERE'S A LOT OF RACES GOING ON RIGHT NOW. Y'ALL GOT A COMMENT FROM JEFF SIFFORD. THE MAIN DRAIN NEEDS A FEE TRAP. THAT WAS A STORM DRAIN TURNED INTO A SEWER, LINED ALL THE GATES FROM LIFT STATION 14 BACK UP INTO THE BUILDING. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT NEWS. SO IMMEDIATE, IMMEDIATE NEEDS IS TO GET THE EMPLOYEES TAKEN CARE OF. SO ARE IS THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND EXPLORE THE MODULAR FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHILE WE GET THE VENTILATION WORKED ON? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. YEAH. QUICKLY. THEY SAY, WELL, NO, WE WEREN'T GOING TO PUT AC IN IT. IT WON'T STINK. WOULD THAT HELP JESSE? YES, I DO BELIEVE THAT WOULD HELP. CERTAINLY NOT LEAVE THE ANIMALS BEHIND. WE'D STILL TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS. NO, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BE TAKEN CARE OF. WE WOULD ROUGHLY NEED 3500 HOMES TO VOLUNTEER TO PAY FOR THAT $5. MAYBE WE DON'T START WITH FIVE. THAT'S A MINIMUM DONATION THEY CAN DONATE. I MEAN, HER HER DONATION BUDGET DONATION LINE ITEM IS HEALTHY, BUT THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THE FIRST DOWN [02:10:08] PAYMENT ON THE DEBT SERVICE. AND IS THERE A WAY FOR A CITIZEN TO DONATE MORE? ABSOLUTELY. THEY CAN GO SEE JASON. CITIZENS ALREADY DONATE FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO THE SHELTER. THEY DONATE FOOD. THEY DONATE MONEY. THE CITIZENS OF ANGLETON AND IN THE SURROUNDING AREA HAVE BEEN REAL GOOD IN. ALL JASON HAS TO DO IS PUT A POST UP AND THEY'RE ON THE WAY WITH THE CITY. CITIZENS OF ANGLETON THEY'VE ALWAYS TREATED US WITH. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THIS COULD BE A GOOD ARTICLE FOR THE FRONT PAGE OF. THE FACTS SEEM LIKE THEY COULD PROBABLY BRING. LIGHT TO AN ISSUE THAT WOULD BE ON THE HEARTS OF MANY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ANGLETON AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS, AND I. AND I BET THEY COULD PROBABLY ATTACH A WEB ADDRESS FOR TO MAKE DONATIONS TO. SO PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE DONE. TANNER DO YOU HAVE A TAGLINE LIKE LOVE WITHOUT THE LOVE OR SOMETHING FOR THE SHELTER? I WAS JUST GOING TO TELL OUR FAITHFUL REPORTER NOT TO GET CHEAP ON US WITH WORDS HERE, SHOWING HEART FOR OUR ANIMALS. WE'LL GO WITH THE LOVE STUFF. THIS IS THE LOVE WITH THE LOVE. COME OUT ON SATURDAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? SO MODULAR BUILDING ORDINANCE IS GOING TO STILL BE WRITTEN. MAYBE HAVE IT BY THE NEXT MEETING. AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT THE LOOK AT ANY. INVESTIGATE ANY. SEWER ISSUES THAT WE MAY HAVE IN REGARD TO THAT COMMENT THAT WAS MADE. YES, SIR. AND VENTILATION. VENTILATION LIKE WE'RE TALKING LIKE EXHAUST FANS ON TOP OF THE ROOF STYLE VENTILATION. IT JUST NEEDS A DIRECTION. IT NEEDS AN INTAKE AND OUTPUT FOR AIRFLOW. SO HOWEVER THAT IT NEEDS TO MOVE SO MANY BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND SO MANY SO MUCH AIR PER MINUTE. ALSO WE CAN LOOK INTO CERTAIN TYPES OF FILTERS THAT DO AMMONIA SCRUBBING, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY TOO SMALL TO USE AT THE SCALE OF, OF ANIMAL SHELTER. OKAY, HE'S ON IT. HE'S ON IT. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. HE'S ON IT. AND WE'LL GET THE EMPLOYEES TAKEN CARE OF, THE ANIMALS TAKEN CARE OF. AND THEN WE'LL BUILD A NEW BUILDING. OKAY. BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SUFFER FROM BRONCHITIS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE DO THAT WITH THE MODULAR. OKAY. JAKE, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY VET WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME TO ANGLETON AND DO A FERAL CAT COLONY. HONESTLY, I'M ALL FOR IT. I WILL PUT HIM IN CONTACT WITH YOU. YES. I MEAN, ANGLETON DOES HAVE A SERIOUS FERAL CAT PROBLEM. THERE IS NO DENYING THAT OUR POPULATION HAS EXPLODED. BUT. YES, PLEASE SEND HIM MY WAY AND BACK TO THE SHELTER. YOU'RE FULL ON CATS ALMOST ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? WE STAY FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS YEAR OUR ANIMAL POPULATION HAS JUST EXPLODED. BOTH SIDES. BOTH SIDES. DOGS AND CATS UPSTAIRS. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE LAST TIME WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD AN EMPTY KENNEL JUST THIS YEAR FOR DOGS. IT HAS. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO DOGS AND POP UP CRATES. RIGHT NOW, THE SMALLER ONES YOU KNOW, THOSE GUYS GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION THAN THE GUYS IN THE BIGGER CRATES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR THAT THEY GOT TO, YOU KNOW, STAY IN THESE LITTLE SMALL CRATES. BUT YEAH, THE CAT POPULATION IS OUT OF CONTROL, UNFORTUNATELY. SO YES, I WOULD GLADLY TAKE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION. GREAT. I'LL GET IT TO YOU AND J.C. AND HER EMPLOYEES. DO ONE HELL OF A JOB, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT FACILITY. AND THEY IT'S MY FAULT FOR NOT BRINGING THEM TO THE TO THE LIMELIGHT MORE OFTEN, BUT THEY'RE THEY DO A HECK OF A JOB. AND J.C. AS THE MANAGER HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB AS WELL. NOTHING TAKEN AWAY FROM BRENDA BUT JC JAKE HAS TAKEN THE LEAD AND AND RAN WITH IT. AND TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS IS MR. JAKE. I'M J.D. LAWSON. I WAS JUST GOING TO KIND OF BOUNCE OFF OF THAT RIGHT THERE. I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW HOW COMMITTED, HOW COMMITTED Y'ALL'S EMPLOYEES ARE THAT YOU HAVE. BECAUSE IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD HAVE FOR A LONG TIME AGO, YOU KNOW, AND NOT LIKE I HAVEN'T THROWN THE IDEA AROUND. [02:15:06] SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH ALL THE FACEBOOK POSTS FROM, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE TOOK OVER AND YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH OF AN IMPROVEMENT THAT IT'S BEEN AND HOW INTERACTIVE THEY ARE WITH THE CITIZENS AND HOW WELL RECEIVED THEY ARE. AND YOU CAN SEE LOOKING BACK HOW MANY TIMES THEY'VE HAD TO SHUT DOWN THE INTAKE AND THEY CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE ANIMALS AND HOW BUSY IT IS. AND THEN I GOT TO HEAR ABOUT IT AT HOME. BUT I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT HOW LUCKY YOU ARE TO HAVE THEM THERE. SO THANK YOU. AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO PROPOSE. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE OUR ACTION ITEMS. EVERYBODY GOOD? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND SPEAKING. THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING. WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON IT. ITEM NUMBER NINE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CITY HALL ANNEX. [9. Discussion and possible action on the City Hall Annex. ] GET THE SHORT STRAW AGAIN. WELL, SHE. SHE DID. HOWEVER, THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM. MAYOR PRO TEM ASKED US TO BRING FORTH. SO YEAH, WE'LL START WITH MARTHA AND THEN WE'LL. WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE, I THINK, ON STAFF THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT USES AND POSSIBLE USES WHENEVER WE MOVE TO THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY BECAUSE SOME OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IN FALL OF 2022 WE HAD A STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP AND DURING A WORKING LUNCH, WE HAD A VISITOR, JUSTIN WEISS FROM TEXAS, WHO SHARED WITH US ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY WERE DOING SMALL TOWN. THEY HAD TAKEN AND DONE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF I COULD PASS THIS OUT TO YOU. YOUR EYES MUST HAVE LIT UP TODAY WHEN I MENTIONED THIS IN OUR OTHER MEETING. YOU KNOW, YOU WERE COMING UP WITH THIS. THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT HE SHOWED US OF WHAT THEY DID DOWNTOWN, WHERE THEY DID RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM. THEY DID CITY OFFICES IN THE MIDDLE. YOU COULD BE ANY BALANCE OF THINGS, BUT IT WAS A IT WAS A CONCEPT THAT WE STARTED KIND OF DREAMING. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF, OF A NEW BUILDING AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, THAT BUILDING BECAME AVAILABLE. SO WE PURCHASED IT AND THE WE STARTED GETTING TENANTS. WE GOT MERLE NORMAN, A LAW OFFICE IN THE, THE HISPANIC CHAMBER. THEN THE IT DEPARTMENT MOVED OVER. AND THEN DURING KMART CONSTRUCTION, WE MOVED THE OTHERS OVER. SO THAT'S KIND OF A BRIEF HISTORY. THE ONLY REAL IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE DONE IT IT AND, AND ALL THE AIR CONDITIONERS UP ON TOP. JOHNNY DEPP WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE ELECTRICAL. YES. AND THE ELECTRICAL A LOT OF MONEY ON THE ELECTRICAL. YES. YES. TO BRING IT TO CODE BECAUSE THEY CUT SERVICE. WE BOUGHT THAT BUILDING AS IS. THEY CUT THE SERVICE. SO WE HAD TO ESTABLISH ELECTRICAL IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET PUT ANYBODY IN THAT BUILDING. SO SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. SO WHAT I WOULD DO FIRST IS SELL IT. THEN YOU CAN YOU CAN FUND YOUR ANIMAL CONTROL BUILDING FROM THE SALE. AND I KIND OF, I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT, THAT THAT MIGHT SOLVE AUTOMATE. YES, I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND IF NOT SUSIE CAN MOVE HER, [02:20:01] HER THE UTILITY BILLING OVER THERE. WE COULD UTILIZE THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR THE CITIZENS. I KNOW JASON CRUZ AND HIS IT PEOPLE. I'M, I'M SURE BRANDON SITTING RIGHT HERE CAN TELL YOU THEY, THEY, THEY MADE A HOME THERE. SO. AND THEN MY OTHER SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO, ONCE THEY'RE OVER THERE, LEAVE IT THERE. THERE'S STILL A HUGE SECTION THERE THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME TYPE OF EVENT CENTER OUT OUT OF AND MAKE START SOME INCOME. SO THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS. ANYBODY ELSE? I WAS GOING TO REMIND YOU THAT WE, WHEN Y'ALL WERE LOOKING AT THIS BEFORE, AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT AND WHAT THE THERE WAS SOME BASIC JUST PLANS THAT WERE DRAWN TOGETHER. BRANT DID BRANT BOWLES FROM THE ARCHITECTS DID DO THE PLAN. SO HE SAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A STARTING POINT. IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, DOING SOMETHING ELSE. SO WE DO ALREADY HAVE THAT DONE, REALLY THAT INVESTMENT. WHAT DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT? WHAT WAS THAT? DID YOU PROVIDE CHARGES FOR IT? OKAY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON HAND. HE ALREADY DID SOMETHING, BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW. IT'S THE ONE THAT HE PRESENTED THAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE. I BELIEVE WHEN JOHN WAS IN, CHRIS WHITTAKER WERE WORKING ON WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO PUT OFFICES IN THERE AND HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE HAVE? WE I BELIEVE WE REACHED I WASN'T PART OF THAT PROJECT, BUT I THINK WE REACHED AN IMPASSE AND DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT THAT PLAN WAS. BUT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN ORDER TO JUST FIND OUT WHAT'S THE PHYSICAL LAYOUT, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE DO WE HAVE? THAT'S HOW WE KNEW WHAT TO WORK WITH FOR THE TENANT SIDE. SO WE DO HAVE THAT THAT BASIC START. SUSIE, I HEAR THE COUNCIL AND THE IDEA OF SELLING IT. I, I DON'T WANT TO SELL IT BECAUSE THIS PLACE IS EVENTUALLY, ONE DAY HE'S GOING TO COME WHEN WE RUN OUT OF ROOM AND WE'VE ALMOST HIT IT A COUPLE TIMES AND WE BOUGHT THAT FOR THE ABILITY TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED IN ANGLETON AND PUT CITY HALL THERE EVENTUALLY SELLING THAT BUILDING WOULD ALSO PROBABLY SELL THE WHOLE LOT. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE SHOULD BE GOING. THIS IS THE BUILDING I WOULD SELL WITH ALL THE ISSUES WE'VE EVER HAD WITH THIS BUILDING. WE'VE HAD HOW MANY ISSUES WITH THIS BUILDING OF LEAKS. I CAN STILL HEAR PEOPLE FLUSHING THE TOILET WHEN I'M SITTING HERE. I MEAN, IT'S. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE MIGHT WANT TO SELL THIS THING ONE DAY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO GO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING THAT WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, SO WE HAVE IT FOR THE FUTURE. I DEFINITELY LIKE THE IDEA OF RENTING OUT THE REST, LEASING OUT THE REST OF IT, OR RENTING IT OUT OR MOVING MUNICIPAL OR UTILITY BUILDING OVER THERE. I THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT HOME FOR OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS. HONESTLY WISH WE WOULD HAVE BUILT THE NEW FACILITY RIGHT THERE. I THINK IT'S BEEN GREAT TO HAVE HIM CENTRALLY LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM CITY HALL. YOU SEE STAFF WALKING BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. IT'S BEEN A TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. GINA. GINA. COME UP PLEASE. YOU ALREADY FILLED OUT A FORM, SO. MISS NORRIS, IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS GINA GARY ADAMS, AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BRAZORIA COUNTY HISPANIC CHAMBER. AND OUR OFFICE OUT OF THE ANNEX BUILDING. ON BEHALF OF THE BRAZORIA COUNTY HISPANIC CHAMBER, I FIRST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY OF ANGLETON FOR CONTINUING TO WELCOME THE CHAMBER AND MY MEMBERS THAT ARE ACROSS THE COUNTY TO YOUR COMMUNITY. WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOSTING OUR EVENTS HERE IN ANGLETON. IT HAS BECOME AN IMPORTANT GATHERING PLACE FOR MANY OF THE CHAMBER PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE. ONE THING THAT WE REALLY WANT THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE ARE. THAT WHEN OUR CHAMBER HOLDS AN EVENT HERE IN ANGLETON, WE ARE BRINGING PEOPLE INTO ANGLETON THROUGHOUT FROM THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. OUR CHAMBER REPRESENTS BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS ALL 24 INCORPORATED CITIES IN THE COUNTY. WE HOST AN EVENT HERE. BUSINESS OWNERS CORPORATE LEADERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, ENTREPRENEURS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE COMING OUT TO ANGLETON AND THEY'RE SEEING THE CITY EATING AT LOCAL RESTAURANTS, SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND EXPERIENCING WHAT ANGLETON HAS TO OFFER. [02:25:07] A GREAT EXAMPLE OF EXPOSURE WE ARE HELPING BRING TO ANGLETON HAPPENED RECENTLY WHEN THE TELEVISION SERIES SELLING TEXAS, CAME DOWN TO FILM THE FEATURED AND FEATURED ART CHAMBER. THEY CAME OUT HERE TO ANGLETON, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY NOT TO ONLY SHOWCASE THE WORK OF THE CHAMBER, BUT ALSO TO SHOWCASE THE CITY OF ANGLETON TO A MUCH LARGER AUDIENCE. THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE ARE VERY PROUD OF TO BRING TO THIS COMMUNITY. THE ANNEX BUILDING IS ALSO HOME TO BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. WE SIMPLY ASK THAT AS DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, YOU CONSIDER THE CHAMBER AND THE BUSINESSES IN THE ANNEX BUILDING THAT CALL ANGLETON HOME, AS WELL AS THE VALUE WE COLLECTIVELY BRING TO THE CITY. WE DON'T JUST WANT TO HAVE AN OFFICE OR HOLD EVENTS IN ANGLETON. WE WANT TO CONTINUE BRINGING BEING A PARTNER THAT BRINGS PEOPLE, BUSINESSES, OPPORTUNITIES AND POSITIVE ATTENTION TO ANGLETON. OUR CHAMBER IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY HISPANIC ORGANIZATION THAT CAN ASSIST SPANISH SPEAKING BUSINESSES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THEY COME HERE TO ANGLETON. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF WORKSHOPS, WE HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS THAT WE DO BRING HERE. I WAS TALKING TO CHIEF ABOUT WE ALSO BROUGHT TXDOT CAME DOWN AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE HERE IN THE COUNTY. THEY CAME DOWN FROM DALLAS. AND WHAT I TRY TO DO IS TRY TO CONNECT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AND INFORMING THEM ON THE OPPORTUNITIES, BECAUSE OF COURSE, I'M A CHAMBER AND I WANT THEM TO INVEST IN OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS, THIS CENTER THAT YOU HAVE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME OF MY INPUT, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GREAT BUILDING HERE, RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE OF THE COUNTY. AND SINCE I'VE MOVED HERE TO ANGLETON OUR BUSINESSES FROM PEARLAND AND ALL OVER. LOVE COMING HERE TO ANGLETON. SO THANK YOU. GINA, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE AWARD THAT Y'ALL GOT? WELL, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO TELL. OH, OKAY. NEVER MIND. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THAT. MISS, GO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT MR. BOWLES THERE. THE PLAN WAS DRAWN OUT AS TO WHAT CITY OFFICES WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW IT WAS DRAWN. AND THAT WAS A BARGAINING CHIP THAT I SAID HE PROBABLY CHARGES FOR IT BECAUSE I'M SURE HE'S LISTENING AND HE'LL GIVE IT TO US AND AND DO SOME MORE WORK FOR US. ALSO, SUSIE WANTS TO TALK IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT THE MUNICIPAL COURT. I'M SORRY. SHE DON'T WANT TO TALK, BUT SHE ALSO SHE ALSO HAS INTEREST IN MOVING MUNICIPAL COURT, SO I WOULD INVITE HER UP TO TO SPEAK. HELLO, COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO THROW MUNICIPAL COURT IN THE RING FOR ACROSS THE STREET. FOR MANY REASONS. ONE WE HAVE WE NEED A COURT. WE DEFINITELY NEED A COURT. AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT SAFETY NOT ONLY FOR OURSELVES, BUT FOR THE JUDGE AND FOR THE OTHER EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE. WE HAVE OUR LITTLE SPACE BACK HERE IN THE BACK. WE HOLD COURT, WE HAVE TRIALS, WE HAVE NON-JURY, WE HAVE JURY TRIALS, WE HAVE COURT EVERY MONTH, NOT EVERY MONTH. IN CERTAIN DAYS. AND PARKING IS A PROBLEM. JUDGE, IF ANYTHING WAS TO HAPPEN SAFETY WISE TO GET THE JUDGE OUT OF HERE. HE'S GOING TO BE GONE. BECAUSE TO GET THERE, PUT A CODE IN. YOU KNOW, I WE SHARE THIS SPACE WITH COUNCIL WITH OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE MEETINGS HERE. AND WE DO RESPECT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, AND WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY IN THIS BUILDING. BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO GO ACROSS THE STREET, KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM. I KNOW, BUT IT'S ALWAYS THE PROBLEM. DON'T PUT THAT IN GOD'S HANDS. SO WE CAN GET AN ACTUAL COURT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN MAKE IT SAFE FOR THE JUDGE, [02:30:05] FOR THE PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE PARKING AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, OPERATE AS A COURT. AND I JUST THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DID WANT TO MOVE THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT OVER THERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH, BUT IF IT WAS SOLD THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK TO SEE IF WE COULD DO A DRIVE THROUGH ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THE CUSTOMERS. WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT AT ONE TIME WHEN I WAS HERE, BUT THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE ONE WAY. BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE DONE TOO. AND WE DID DISCUSS, OR WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO BRING IN REVENUE. AND WE DID DISCUSS THE CIVIC CENTER IN THE MIDDLE THERE TO WHERE WE COULD DO THAT, TOO. CAN YOU DISCUSS THE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE MONEY TO FIX THE BATHROOMS AND YES, WHATEVER MONIES THAT WE HAD LEFT OVER IN MY FUND. 122 WHICH IS THE BOND LEFT FOR THE GENERAL FUND SIDE, WE WOULD TRY TO RENOVATE THE BATHROOMS THAT WERE THERE. SO ALL I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE I THINK JOHN'S RIGHT IN THE SENSE THAT THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO SEE IT'S, IF IT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN MAXED OUT TO ITS POTENTIAL, IT'S GETTING REAL CLOSE. I DO, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF LOSING VALUABLE PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S ALWAYS STRUCK ME A LITTLE BIT ODD THAT THE CITY HALL SITS BEHIND A USED CAR DEALERSHIP AND A POOL HALL, WHICH DOES A LOT OF BUSINESS. GOOD PEOPLE NOT TRYING TO. ANYBODY WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD A MORE PROMINENT LOCATION IN THE CITY SO WE COULD BE PROUD OF, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR EXPANSION. YOU KNOW, THE SMART TOWNS, THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, THE VERTICAL INTEGRATION, THE ABILITY TO TAKE IN REVENUE IN A PUBLIC FACILITY OFFSET SOME OF YOUR COSTS SEEM LIKE A SMART INVESTMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LOCATION ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, IF I GUESS IF YOU COULD SELL IT FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN MAYBE THAT'S THE CASE. BUT I STILL THINK AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT RELOCATING. I WOULD THINK I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT IT NOW THAT MAYBE PIE IN THE SKY TYPE OF IDEAS. BECAUSE AS WE'VE LISTENED TODAY, WE'VE GOT AN ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER TO TAKE CARE OF. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROAD PROJECTS TO TAKE CARE OF. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE GOVERNMENT GETTING FAT ON ITSELF. AND SO BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS IN YOUR CITY. AND I DON'T THINK WE THINK THAT MY PREDECESSORS, THE PREDECESSORS BEFORE US HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF STICKING A LOT OF PIECES TOGETHER AND MAKING IT WORK. BUT AT SOME POINT YOU JUST GOT TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO, TO MOVE ON. I DO I'VE AS FAR AS THE CITY THE COURT IS IN MY MIND, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN MORE CURIOUS ABOUT BUILDING AN ANNEX TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAVING A COURT FACILITY CLOSER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JUST FOR SAFETY, FOR THE VARIOUS SAFETY REASONS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE IN A LITTLE BIT OF THE OPEN LOT, THAT'S WHERE WE'D HAVE TO CONSUME SOME BASEBALL PRACTICE FIELDS OR WHATEVER. BUT IT'S ALSO A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR THE CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, CONAN, RIGHT THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD LOCATION FOR THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT MOVING THE WHOLE CITY HALL OVER THERE, YOU COULD HAVE CITY HALL POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOUR, YOUR REC CENTER AND THEN YOU, INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THESE SATELLITES, YOU HAVE MORE OF A CAMPUS STYLE CITY CITY RESOURCES, CITY FACILITIES. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN, WHICH I'M FINE WITH. THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK A GOOD LOCATION. IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING FOR TRAVEL PURPOSES, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT FOR STORING A LOT OF EQUIPMENT. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF STORING A LOT OF EQUIPMENT IN A DOWNTOWN AREA, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. [02:35:03] BUT THE REST OF IT, I THINK MAYBE THE MASTER PLAN NEEDS TO BE CONCEIVED AND PUT IN YOU KNOW, CONTEMPLATED. I DON'T KNOW. BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK ALL THOSE FACTORS, I THINK WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF OUR CITY HALL. I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE THE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT AND IF AND IF ELEMENTS SUCH AS INTEGRATION WITH COMMERCIAL LEASING PROPERTIES, POTENTIAL TO, LIKE I SAID, GENERATE REVENUE IN AND OF ITSELF, OFFSETTING SOME OF YOUR COSTS. SO, AND LEAVING ROOM FOR GROWTH, WHICH IS THE CITY WILL NEED AS IT GROWS. BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS AND IT'S KIND OF BIG PICTURE THAT DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION PRESENTLY. I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA OF DEVELOPING THAT THAT CORNER. I JUST I'M TRYING TO BE REALISTIC. I JUST DON'T SEE IT ON THE IMMEDIATE HORIZON BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT RANKS IN ALL THE OTHER PRIORITIES WE HAVE. SO I THINK OTHER PRIORITIES, IN MY OPINION, MAY OUTRANK CITY HALL, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT FUTURE CITY COUNCILS WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. WHEN IS OPEN? AND SOME PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC WORK PEOPLE HERE. HOW MANY OFFICES WILL OPEN UP HERE? TWO. TWO. WELL, TWO. AND THEN COURTNEY WILL GO INTO ONE OF THOSE. HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE LEFT OVER ONCE K IS OPEN. AND THAT CAME UP. YEAH A BUNCH. YEAH. WE HAVE A FLEX SPACE IN THE BACK THAT COULD OSTENSIBLY BE 5 OR 6 MAYBE, OR A LARGE SPACE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU USE IT. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE STARTED THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR KMART TO BEGIN WITH, IT WAS A PART OF THAT PLAN. THEY WERE AT THE TABLE WITH US. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AS WELL. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE WOULD PROBABLY, IF IT WAS INTEGRATED, WE'D PROBABLY BE BUILT OUT. I'M GOING TO KIND OF MIRROR WHAT MAYOR PRO TEM TOWNSEND SAYS. I WASN'T A PART OF THIS PLAN. I DON'T YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T SOLD TO ME. SOMEBODY DIDN'T COME UP HERE. I WASN'T HERE OBVIOUSLY. THEN TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN THAT CORNER. I HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND LOOK AT THE REALITY AND THE NEEDS THAT COME BEFORE NOW THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED. I JUST DON'T SEE IT. AND I'M ONLY ONE PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL. I'M ONLY ONE VOTE. I DON'T SEE IT BEING VIABLE OF A PROPERTY TO HAVE. IF IT IS SOLD, IT'S ON THE PROPERTY TAX ROLL. AGAIN, WE COLLECT REVENUE OFF OF THAT. BUT AGAIN I'M ONLY ONE PERSON ONE VOTE. SO. SO WHAT I KIND OF ALWAYS EXPECTED WAS THAT YOU MENTIONED CENTRALLY LOCATED. AND I KIND OF EXPECTED THAT A CITY HALL WOULD POP UP IN THE FIELD NEXT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I EXPECTED LONG TERM FOR THE CITY. BECAUSE IF WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE BUILDING NORTH, THAT'S KIND OF THE CENTRAL LOCATION OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ROUTES AVAILABLE. YOU'RE NOT DOWNTOWN. NOW. I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WAY DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH. IF WE WERE EVER GOING TO PUT ANYTHING IN, I MEAN, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WE'RE KIND OF BRINGING CITY HALL AND PD AND ALL THAT KIND OF ON IN THE SAME AREA. AND THAT THAT WAS JUST KIND OF WHAT I ENVISIONED. WELL, PD IS A GOING TO NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT SOON TOO. I DO. AND GIVE ALL THE MONEY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WHAT DO YOU SAY YOU GIVE ALL THE MONEY? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? ABOUT WHAT? SIR? GARCIA. OH, LOOK AT ALL THE PROJECTS HE'S GOT DONE. IT'S GREAT. WE APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. LOOK AT ALL THE PROJECTS HE'S GOT DOWN THERE, AND I'M NOT DOWN ON THEM. THE PROJECTS ARE NEEDED. ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. AND THEY'VE DONE SOME GOOD WORK. BUT THERE'S THERE'S NEEDS ALL OVER THE PLACE, I THINK. I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS YOUR ACTING CITY MANAGER AND AS A POLICE CHIEF, IS THAT ANIMAL SERVICES SHOULD BE FIRST AND FOREMOST BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH ANYTHING ELSE. [02:40:06] JASON HAS SOME IDEAS TO. TRY TO STEP FORWARD. SO YOU SEE ME DIDN'T WANT TO SCARE YOU. I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THE NEEDS OF IT. IT'S BEEN GREAT BEING IN THE ANNEX. WE'VE FOR THE FIRST TIME HAD SPACE TO ACTUALLY OPERATE AND PUT PROJECTS TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE PHONE SYSTEM PROJECT. WE HAD PHONES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE OFFICE THAT WE HAD TO PROGRAM AND WE HAD THE SPACE TO DO IT. WE WERE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER DOING IT. WE HAVE PLENTY OF STORAGE OVER THERE, WHICH IF YOU ASK ANYONE IN THE CITY ABOUT EVERY SINGLE BUILDING, WHAT DO OUR BUILDINGS NEED MORE STORAGE? AND THAT COULD PROBABLY EVEN BE SAID TRUE ABOUT KMART ONCE WE'RE IN THERE. AND SO WE HAVE RECORD STORAGE FOR FOR CITY SECRETARY FINANCE. FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STUFF STORED THERE. PRETTY MUCH THAT WHOLE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS, IS TAKEN UP WITH EITHER STORAGE OR OUR. OFFICE SPACE. AND SO THAT HAS BEEN NICE TO HAVE THAT STORAGE SPACE THERE. IT'S REALLY RELIEVED SOME OF THE. AND FREED UP SPACE HERE AT CITY HALL SO WE COULD HAVE MORE OFFICES. AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D. HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IN THE SALE OF THAT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT? SOME OF THAT REQUIRES. CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SPACE FOR THAT OTHER PLACES IF YOU WERE TO MOVE IT TO. KMART. WE NEED SECURE OFFICES, PLACES WHERE WE CAN TALK PRIVATELY. WE GET PHONE CALLS ABOUT OPEN RECORDS, REQUESTS, TERMINATIONS, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND SO WE CAN'T JUST BE ON SPEAKERPHONE IN AN OPEN OFFICE AREA WHERE EVERYONE CAN HEAR THE CONFIDENTIAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING. SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. WE LOVE IT THERE. THE LOCATION IS GREAT. IT'S EASY FOR US TO GET TO PD OR CITY HALL OR BACK DOWN TO K-MART, WHERE WE'VE BEEN WORKING A LOT LATELY, AND SO IT'S WORKED OUT WELL FOR US, SO JUST CONSIDER THAT. THERE'S ALSO A SMALL POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICE OVER THERE THAT WE PAID. WE GOT THE MONEY FROM SEIZURE FUNDS TO GET THE COMPUTER AND STUFF WE NEEDED OVER THERE IN THE CAMERA. SO IT'S WORKED OUT GREAT FOR PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS. IT'S BEEN A PRIVATE SPACE FOR THEM TO GO AND TAKE CARE OF. SO WE HADN'T BEEN THERE MUCH, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE RENT BILL. BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL'S OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. JOHN, I WANTED TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF YOUR POINT. AS YOU REFERENCED FOR THIS BUILDING, ONE OF THE THINGS, WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU ALL DECIDE TO GO IS JUST CAUTION YOU ON IS WE BOUGHT A PREEXISTING BUILDING. AND SO WHILE IT IS TEMPORARILY WORKED AND I AGREE, THE SPACE FOR IT IS, IS GREAT. AND THE STORAGE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO THAT BUILDING OUTSIDE OF THEIR SPACE. YOU I FEEL COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE INTENTIONAL ON DECISION. THEY GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND WHAT WE DECIDE TO PUT IN THERE. I WOULD NOT MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION MOVE ANOTHER DEPARTMENT IN THERE WITHOUT MAKING SOME KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS TO IT. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE BATHROOMS, THE OPEN SPACE. I MEAN, YOU WALK THROUGH A THRESHOLD TO MY OFFICE THAT IS UNFINISHED. SO THERE IS DEFINITELY IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO GO IN THERE. ALSO, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THAT WAS A BUILDING THAT WAS ADDED ON TO PREVIOUSLY. SO THERE ARE COMPONENTS OF THAT BUILDING THAT NEED TO BE ASSESSED AND LOOKED AT. SO IF WE WERE TO TURN IT INTO CITY SPACE, WE JUST NEED TO BE INTENTIONAL IN KNOWING THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE FUNDING THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN THAT. IF I RECALL FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE, I WANT TO SAY THOSE RENOVATIONS WERE UPWARDS OF JUST OVER $300,000 FOR THAT JUST TO DO THOSE RENOVATIONS. I THINK THAT OPPORTUNITIES DO PRESENT THEMSELVES THAT IF THE CITY DECIDES TO KEEP IT, THAT IT COULD BE ADDITIONAL LEASE SPACE THAT COULD REQUIRE SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME IN AND DO IMPROVEMENTS TO STILL KEEP CITY OFFICES OVER THERE FOR IT AND SOME STORAGE, BUT JUST KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION THAT IF WE DECIDE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT OR LOOK AT IT FOR FUTURE USE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED SOME WORK. IT DOES NOT SERVE THE CURRENT NEED AND WON'T SERVE THE LONG TERM WITHOUT PUTTING SOME EXPANSIVE RENOVATIONS INTO IT. SO. WE GET SOME MONEY FROM A BANK. OH, WAIT, THAT'S NOT PARKS. SORRY. WE CAN PUT A SWING SET. [02:45:01] PUT A PLAYGROUND OUT BACK. APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION, JASON. ANY OTHER STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? OKAY. FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGET IS FOR THAT FACILITY. LIKE HOW MUCH DO WE BRING IN REVENUE? HOW MUCH IS THE NOTE? YOU KNOW, THE PORTION OF THE BOND THAT WE WE BOUGHT IT FOR. SO HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING EVERY YEAR ON THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE UTILITY BILLS. I WANT TO I WANT A FULL BREAKDOWN FINANCIALLY. I MEAN, THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE ARMED WITH THE INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION OF HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT US FINANCIALLY GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A HOME NEEDS IT. AND WHERE IS ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, SPACE, ALL THAT STORAGE IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE. WHERE WOULD IT GO? WHERE WOULD YOU ALL GO? YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK OVER HERE, MOST LIKELY. MAYBE YOU COULD FIT IN, I DON'T KNOW. JUST I WANT TO KNOW FINANCIALLY. WHAT DO WE NEED? WHERE DOES IT LOOK LIKE? HOW MUCH OF THE RENOVATIONS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, GIVE ME OPTION A, WHICH SAYS WE'RE GOING TO TURN THIS INTO A CON OR CIVIC CENTER OF SOME SORT. WHAT'S THE RENOVATION PLAN FOR THAT? HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST? WHERE WOULD THAT BE FUNDED FROM? I MEAN OPTION B IS I GUESS SELL IT. BUT WE NEED WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF IT FOR THIS COUNCIL TAKES ANY ACTION. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I DON'T WANT TO DO SOME KNEE JERK MUST THINK I'M SELLING. IT IS. WE DO HAVE TO HAVE PLACES TO LAND THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO WE GOT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT PEOPLE. WHETHER THAT'S OUR IT DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN READ THE SPACE BACK FROM THEM. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO SELL RIGHT BACK. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY, I DON'T KNOW. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT US TO HAVE AN IDEA OF IF THE OPTION ON SELLING. OKAY. BUT WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED OFFICE SPACE WISE? WHAT DO WE STILL NEED? TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SELLING WILL COST US? WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST US TO SELL IT? BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE A COST. SO JUST WHETHER WE HAVE TO NOW LEASE SPACE SOME SOME OTHER PLACE OR. GET OUR. YOU KNOW. LIKE A SCHOOL DISTRICT HAVING AN EXTRA BUILDING OUT THERE IN THE BLACKTOP. I ALSO WANT TO KNOW THE OPTION OF LEASING IT. WHAT WHAT'S THE GOING RATE FOR THAT LEASE SPACE IF WE WERE TO LEASE MORE, MORE OF IT OUT. YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT TOO. WHAT CAN WE GO GET ON THE OPEN MARKET? I FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW THOSE THINGS. IT HELPS CLARIFY WHAT WHAT WE WHAT WE NEED TO DO THE NEXT STEP, YOU KNOW? OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL? I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US USE IT. I WOULD LIKE I LIKE THE IDEA OF EVENTUALLY FUTURE PLANNING BEING OUT OF THIS BUILDING AND UTILIZING THAT BUILDING. I DO WANT TO SEE WHAT LEASING OPTIONS WE CAN DO, AND IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF PARTNERSHIPS WITH FUTURE LEASES TO HELP OFFSET RENOVATIONS. THE ONE REGRET THAT ME AND MY HUSBAND ALWAYS HAVE IS SELLING ANY HOUSE THAT WE'VE EVER BOUGHT. WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT EVERYTHING. AND I STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT PROPERTY. LIKE, BECAUSE WHAT IT WAS WORTH WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, IT'S WORTH WAY MORE NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY? I THINK THAT EVEN. JUST AN IDEA. EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE SOMEBODY LEASE THAT BIG SPACE, NOT WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT THE OTHER SPACE AND HAVING THEM RENOVATE IT OR SPENDING THE MONEY TO DO IT, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THEY'LL PROBABLY WON'T STAY, BUT YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE BUILDING. BUT THAT MIGHT ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE COST OF UPGRADES IF THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE. THAT'S JUST AN IDEA. I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO DO AN EVENT CENTER AND THEN YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT OVER IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO HAVE IT. [02:50:07] I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING LEASING THAT PART OF THE BUILDING WOULD WOULD HELP YOU GUYS ON THE RENOVATION. YOU KNOW, IF THEY IF YOU HAVE THEM RENOVATED. SO WHEN I MOVED IN, I DID ALL THE RENOVATIONS ON MY SIDE. IF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN IT, I THINK SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT. SO I DID A LOT OF THE COST OF THAT. AND WE WORKED OUT A DEAL, BUT I THINK DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THAT SIDE WOULD PROBABLY HELP THE CITY. THAT'S JUST MY IDEA. AND YOU'D HAVE A FREE EVENT CENTER. SO. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE ON STAFF? GO AHEAD CHIEF. HOW MUCH HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED? YOU ALREADY GOT. YOU ALREADY GOT IT, CHIEF. WHY ARE YOU GETTING UP THERE? I'M ACTUALLY UP HERE TO SUPPORT FIRE STATION FOUR. THAT IS GOOD, RIGHT? THAT'S COMING. USED TO BE HERE, RIGHT UP FRONT. YEAH. SO NOW I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT MY PEERS ON THIS. I AGREE WITH JASON WHEN HE SAYS THAT THE IT UP THERE IS A LOT OF STORAGE THERE. I GOT TO WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING AND WHATNOT. BUT ALSO THERE'S BUSINESSES THERE TOO. I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, AN EVENT CENTER. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE TO DO. I JUST, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THAT CAN COME OUT OF THAT SPACE. AND IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. BUT THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT PIECE TO SUPPORT A LOT OF MY PEERS ON THAT. SO, AND OF COURSE, MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I GOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I SAID, HOW MUCH DID YOU WANT? YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR NOTHING. I DIDN'T ASK. THAT'S COMING LATER. ALL RIGHT. NO. GO AHEAD. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AND I ASSUME THAT WE'RE PROBABLY DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN. BUT I KNOW YOU GET USED TO A SPACE AND THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WITH OUR CURRENT SPACE THAT WE CAN PROVE ITS EFFICIENCY OR OR ANYTHING. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK INTO. WE'RE, I THINK WE WOULD ALL BE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FOR THAT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT YOU GUYS MAY KNOW BETTER. WE'RE HERE AT CITY HALL HERE OR OVER THERE? I MEAN, BOTH EVERY, EVERYTHING. I MEAN, I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, ARE WE IS THE WAY THAT WE, THAT WE'VE STAFFED AND, AND, AND LAID OUT OFFICES IN, IN THE KMART, ARE WE BEING EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THAT? DO WE, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OFFICES THAT DON'T NEED TO HAVE A SINGULAR OFFICE? AND I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. WHAT DO THEY. HAROLD, DO YOU GET AN OFFICE NOW? PROBABLY NOT, SIR. I AM GETTING ONE OVER HERE ON THE SIDE. OKAY. I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA TAKE MORE. WELL, NO, NO, NO, HE SAID HE DON'T HAVE ONE, SO WE'RE GOING TO GET HIM SOMETHING. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO GET NOT HAVE SAID IN ADDITIONAL MODULAR OVER AT ANIMAL CONTROL FOR ITS HIS CAR. HIS CAR. WELL THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIXING TO SAY. HE WORKED OUT OF A VEHICLE FOR, FOR SO MANY YEARS THAT THAT'S JUST WHERE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE ALL THE TIME. ALL THEM YEARS. I'VE TREATED HIM RIGHT AND SEE WHAT HE DOES. IT'S ALL RIGHT. CLOSET RIGHT NOW. ALL THE CONFERENCE ROOM. I WAS THINKING ABOUT RENTING THE BUILDING OUT TO A CO. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL. [COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCIL ] COUNCIL. YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OH, MY. THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, WE'VE GOT TO SOLVE. THERE'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM TO SOLVE. I HAD AN INTERESTING IDEA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR EMPLOYEES TO SHARE THEIR PAID TIME OFF WITH OTHER EMPLOYEES. WE DO THAT NOW. BUT WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS BEING THE ONES TO OKAY IT AS A LIKE A FAST TRACK TO HELP OUT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SICK TIME? LIKE SOMEBODY GETS SICK? WE HAVE A SICK BANK. TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, SO LET'S SAY I HAVE TEN DAYS PTO, BUT MY FELLOW STAFF MEMBER HAS DONE ALL OF THEIRS OR THEY HAVE SOME, BUT THEY NEED MORE BECAUSE WHATEVER REASON, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THAT THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR THE FAMILY [02:55:09] MEDICAL LEAVE ACT OR, OR ANYTHING. SOME DON'T HAVE MONEY OR ANYTHING ELSE TO GIVE, BUT THEY DON'T USE THEIR PAID TIME OFF AS MUCH AS IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT I JUST MAYBE THOUGHT COULD BE. I HAVEN'T USED ANY IN A YEAR. BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE WE HAVE A PAID SICK BANK. WE HAVE A SICK BANK. IT'S, IT HAS TO BE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THE CITY MANAGER THAT COMES TO A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE GIVE THAT PERSON SOME MONEY OUT OF THE SICK OR SOME TIME OUT OF THE SICK BANK. CURRENTLY, I THINK WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO EMPLOYEES THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. NOW, AS FAR AS LET SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE, HAVE YOUR, YOUR PTO, I THINK THERE'S SOME LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS THERE. I THINK SCOTT CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE LEARNED A COUPLE OF THINGS SINCE Y'ALL LET ME DO THIS. AND THERE'S SOME LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS THERE AS FAR AS LETTING SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE MY TIME, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WORKED IN A NEIGHBORING CITY, WE WERE ABLE TO SELL UP TO 40 HOURS OF OUR OF OUR TIME OFF SOMEWHERE AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME WOULD HELP PEOPLE THAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE MONEY LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT YEAH, I THINK THE WAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, THERE'S SOME, SOME TYPE OF LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AS FAR AS US GIVING OUR TIME TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO USE. OKAY. WELL, IF THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS TO EXPLORE, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, SELLING IT OR, OR ANYTHING, I'D LIKE TO LIKE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS THERE ARE. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? WHAT WAS I GOING TO. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR AN UPDATE ON THE THE ROADS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. IF WE CAN HAVE THAT BROUGHT BACK. UPDATE ON THE MILLING OR IN THE REPLACEMENT WHERE WE'RE AT ON OUR OVERLAYS. OKAY. AND IF WE HAVE TO INVITE THE COUNTY, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE HERE. YES, SIR. IT'S THE END OF AUGUST. YES, SIR. ROADS HAVEN'T BEEN DONE YET. OKAY. MAKE IT A GENERAL LINE IN THE AGENDA SO THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT ANY ROAD, NOT JUST THE OVERLAYS. MAKE THE LAWYERS HAPPY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THANKS TO THE STAFF AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THE BUDGET AND GETTING US THERE. AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE AT THE NEXT MEETING IF WE POSSIBLY CAN HAVE THAT ORDINANCE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL AND THE STREETS. THAT'S ALL I GOT. ALL RIGHT. OH, IS THERE ANY KIND OF ORDINANCE WE CAN DO ABOUT TRUCK PARKING IN THE CITY? TRUCK PARKING? I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT, LIKE FUTURE TRUCK PARKING LOTS, MA'AM. LIKE A LIKE A MORATORIUM ON TRUCK PARKING LOTS. WE CAN LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND SEE IF IT NEEDS ANY UPDATE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. NEVER MIND. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE. ALL RIGHT. GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 551, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, [EXECUTIVE SESSION ] IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED THEREIN. ITEM NUMBER TEN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DELIBERATION OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.07. TWO OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE COUNCIL WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PROBABLY AROUND 905. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:07 P.M. [OPEN SESSION ] COUNCIL DO WE HAVE ACTION? YES. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE UTILITY EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION AND CALL FOR MAYOR AND STAFF TO INITIATE WHATEVER OR COMPLETE WHATEVER DOCUMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THIS HAPPENS. SECOND. MOTION BY MAYOR PRESIDENT TOWNSEND. SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN. DANIEL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? HEARING NONE. CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. [03:00:02] THAT TAKES US OUT OF OPEN SESSION AND WE WILL ADJOURN AT 908. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.